From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Nov 1 03:12:50 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cdrdao toc and CDRWin cue files In-Reply-To: <3BDF4B53.30704@haxxed.mine.nu> References: <3BDF4B53.30704@haxxed.mine.nu> Message-ID: <20011030205908.50146ade.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Callum Lerwick wrote: > > I wish windows Cd burning software would just standardise on a damn > format already. Hell, it would be nice if most windows software could at > least read/write plain old .iso files. ;P Are there any advantages to these other file formats? They all have to be converted to .iso in the end, don't they? -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Avoid blue food. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011101/425ddeff/attachment.pgp From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Nov 1 16:25:54 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Freebsd lovin' Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0A5@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Ok, I know this is a linux list and all, but I just installed FreeBSD 4.4, and well... It rocks. I used the mini-iso image, which fits on one of those little 3 inch CDRs. Primarily, I did it for a qmail server. With linux, I was limited to 509 concurrent outgoing connections without patching the kernel, and no patch exists for the 2.4 kernels (at least that I could find). With FreeBSD, I just add -DFD_SETSIZE=65536 to the compile options for qmail, and I'm able to do over 32,000 concurrent outgoing connections, about 60 times more than linux. I don't have it set that high of course, but, the ability is there. And installing software from the ports tree works excellent. I tried downloading apachetoolbox (apachetoolbox.com) and couldn't get it to compile correctly, so I just went into the ports directory into each directory for apache+modssl, mod_php4, and mysql, and did a make/make install in each one. No errors, and it installed everything perfectly. If you haven't tried freebsd, now is a good time to give it a shot. I selected the express install (and then just the development package) on the cd, and then set up networking before I rebooted. My roommate did a regular install and he had problems, but he was probably smoking crack. Jay From simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com Thu Nov 1 16:26:33 2001 From: simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Yellow Dog 2.1 Message-ID: I'm trying to get the newest Yellow Dog ( 2.1 ) but I can't seem to find anyone who has it for download. Apparently you can buy it from there sight but it's not on any of the mirror's. Anyone know why or where I can get it? I know at least some of you use PPC's... sim From josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org Fri Nov 2 00:33:33 2001 From: josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Freebsd lovin' In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0A5@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Yes exactly. I moved right from Slackware to OpenBSD and felt right at home (once I figured out what devices to talk to). But then I don't run an average web server so I couldn't really afford to do anything other than OBSD. In general I see the Linux/*BSD thang as being in the same corner of the universe just that sometimes there's a bit of friction (like developers who assume everyone uses bash. Those people I could shoot) Joshua b. Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 http://www.greentechnologist.org On Thu, 1 Nov 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > Ok, I know this is a linux list and all, but I just installed FreeBSD 4.4, > and well... It rocks. I used the mini-iso image, which fits on one of > those little 3 inch CDRs. > > Primarily, I did it for a qmail server. With linux, I was limited to 509 > concurrent outgoing connections without patching the kernel, and no patch > exists for the 2.4 kernels (at least that I could find). With FreeBSD, I > just add -DFD_SETSIZE=65536 to the compile options for qmail, and I'm able > to do over 32,000 concurrent outgoing connections, about 60 times more than > linux. I don't have it set that high of course, but, the ability is there. > > > And installing software from the ports tree works excellent. I tried > downloading apachetoolbox (apachetoolbox.com) and couldn't get it to compile > correctly, so I just went into the ports directory into each directory for > apache+modssl, mod_php4, and mysql, and did a make/make install in each one. > No errors, and it installed everything perfectly. > > If you haven't tried freebsd, now is a good time to give it a shot. I > selected the express install (and then just the development package) on the > cd, and then set up networking before I rebooted. My roommate did a regular > install and he had problems, but he was probably smoking crack. > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE74c51fexLsowstzcRAjb3AJ9Ergoug0yO1dwswPy+wGA3rqjfFACfewrB QJnQWqEHRlSFz7fAzU0//p8= =Zr4n -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Nov 2 00:34:39 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Freebsd lovin' In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0A5@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: Hey, On Thu, 1 Nov 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > If you haven't tried freebsd, now is a good time to give it a shot. I ran FreeBSD for a while. I installed it because, well, I never used it before. After about an hour I had it looking and acting exactly like the Linux box it replaced, with one important exception - X was dog-slow. It was marginally ok if you weren't using things like transparent aterms and didn't mind that WindowMaker takes 10 times as long to minimize windows (ie, 1 second instead of 1/10th of a second). The local FreeBSD Guru/Bigot told me that apparently if I want X going fast it means I'm some kind of wimp[1]. I liked the ports collection when it actually worked. I found quite a few things that didn't work for various degrees of A Good Reason. Ranging from KDE2 not willing to install itself cause the port maintainer said it's bad, to Pine+ssl just plain not working for no apparent reason. Both of those are probably fixed by now (heck, Pine includes SSL by default now) but you get the idea. -Yaron -- [1] Actually the conversation went something like this: Me: Hey, I installed FreeBSD, and it's neat, but X is dog-slow. Him: No it's not, look (pointing at own display which is dog-slow). Me: Um, yeah, you're at 1024x768x8bpp, with small xterms. I'm at 1600x1200@32bpp with translucent aterms. And your display is showing considerable lag too. Him: Well I'm using linux emulation for the voodoo card. Me: I've got an nvidia, and it's still slow. Him: No it's not. FreeBSD is geared towards the server-space, not the desktop like Linux is. Me: So you're saying Linux is better as a desktop? Him: No. From spencer at autonomous.tv Fri Nov 2 00:35:24 2001 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Yellow Dog 2.1 In-Reply-To: ; from simeonuj@indivisuallearning.com on Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 03:04:00PM +0000 References: Message-ID: <20011101104943.G6553@Mail> I saw on http://linuxiso.org the other day. And I know there is an older copy on ftp://ftp.real-time.com/linux/misc_iso/ What kind of mac do you have? * Simeon Johnston (simeonuj@indivisuallearning.com) wrote: > > I'm trying to get the newest Yellow Dog ( 2.1 ) but I can't seem to find > anyone who has it for download. Apparently you can buy it from there sight > but it's not on any of the mirror's. > > Anyone know why or where I can get it? > I know at least some of you use PPC's... > > sim > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > Spencer Butler Twin Cities Open Systems http://tcos.stderr.net 6126368989@voicestream.net From spencer at autonomous.tv Fri Nov 2 00:35:40 2001 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Freebsd lovin' In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0A5@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 08:48:47AM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0A5@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011101105244.H6553@Mail> hmmmm.... I nabbed the full install iso the other day and it keeps complaining about needing a rescue disk. I make a disk and it complains. I try and make a disk with the install utility and it complains about not being able to write to the fd. I try several floppies formatting them as I go and no luck. Something is just not right. I did a md5sum on the image b4 I burned it, and it checked with the image on linuxiso.org. I dunno. * Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com) wrote: > Ok, I know this is a linux list and all, but I just installed FreeBSD 4.4, > and well... It rocks. I used the mini-iso image, which fits on one of > those little 3 inch CDRs. > > Primarily, I did it for a qmail server. With linux, I was limited to 509 > concurrent outgoing connections without patching the kernel, and no patch > exists for the 2.4 kernels (at least that I could find). With FreeBSD, I > just add -DFD_SETSIZE=65536 to the compile options for qmail, and I'm able > to do over 32,000 concurrent outgoing connections, about 60 times more than > linux. I don't have it set that high of course, but, the ability is there. > > > And installing software from the ports tree works excellent. I tried > downloading apachetoolbox (apachetoolbox.com) and couldn't get it to compile > correctly, so I just went into the ports directory into each directory for > apache+modssl, mod_php4, and mysql, and did a make/make install in each one. > No errors, and it installed everything perfectly. > > If you haven't tried freebsd, now is a good time to give it a shot. I > selected the express install (and then just the development package) on the > cd, and then set up networking before I rebooted. My roommate did a regular > install and he had problems, but he was probably smoking crack. > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > Spencer Butler Twin Cities Open Systems http://tcos.stderr.net 6126368989@voicestream.net From hans at friedchicken.org Fri Nov 2 00:36:30 2001 From: hans at friedchicken.org (H P Christianson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Yellow Dog 2.1 In-Reply-To: ; from simeonuj@indivisuallearning.com on Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 03:04:00PM +0000 References: Message-ID: <20011101170433.A5097@friedchicken.org> I don't use YD, but I am interested in it. I've been thinking about purchasing a new computer (mainly home use, though some light number crunching possible). Anyone care to share their experiences with using YD/ppc's? I've been thinking about getting one of those shiny new G4 laptops. Is anyone using one of those? Thanks! On Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 03:04:00PM +0000, Simeon Johnston wrote: > > I'm trying to get the newest Yellow Dog ( 2.1 ) but I can't seem to find > anyone who has it for download. Apparently you can buy it from there sight > but it's not on any of the mirror's. > > Anyone know why or where I can get it? > I know at least some of you use PPC's... > > sim > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- H. P. Christianson 20 NE Second St. #1005 Minneapolis, MN 55413 (612) 327-6654 hans@friedchicken.org From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Nov 2 00:37:12 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Freebsd lovin' In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0A5@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0A5@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011101172420.E26466@ringworld.org> * Austad, Jay [011101 16:30]: > Primarily, I did it for a qmail server. With linux, I was limited to 509 > concurrent outgoing connections without patching the kernel, and no patch How are you making this conclusion? -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Just say NO to Product Activation! From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Nov 2 00:37:23 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Freebsd lovin' In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0A5@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0A5@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011101172601.F26466@ringworld.org> Does qmail use pthreads? Theres some pthreads defaults that might be hindering you. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Just say NO to Product Activation! From dmblevins at mediaone.net Fri Nov 2 00:37:47 2001 From: dmblevins at mediaone.net (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Freebsd lovin' In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0A5@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: I've been hearing a lot about FreeBSD since Apple integrated it into the Mac OS X. An integration like this doesn't happen over night, I imagine that Apple has been funding the project for quite some time. With Apple's focus on usability, it's no wonder FreeBSD's user-friendliness is a bit of an anomaly. The first thing I think is "Why FreeBSD and not Linux?" Regardless, the idea of a UNIX underbelly with a slick Mac GUI system is like a dream come true. The question is, can I still get down and dirty into the UNIX side, does it still feel like UNIX under the hood? Anyone here tried out OS X yet? David > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Austad, Jay > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 8:49 AM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: [TCLUG] Freebsd lovin' > > > Ok, I know this is a linux list and all, but I just installed FreeBSD 4.4, > and well... It rocks. I used the mini-iso image, which fits on one of > those little 3 inch CDRs. > > Primarily, I did it for a qmail server. With linux, I was limited to 509 > concurrent outgoing connections without patching the kernel, and no patch > exists for the 2.4 kernels (at least that I could find). With FreeBSD, I > just add -DFD_SETSIZE=65536 to the compile options for qmail, and I'm able > to do over 32,000 concurrent outgoing connections, about 60 times > more than > linux. I don't have it set that high of course, but, the ability > is there. > > > And installing software from the ports tree works excellent. I tried > downloading apachetoolbox (apachetoolbox.com) and couldn't get it > to compile > correctly, so I just went into the ports directory into each directory for > apache+modssl, mod_php4, and mysql, and did a make/make install > in each one. > No errors, and it installed everything perfectly. > > If you haven't tried freebsd, now is a good time to give it a shot. I > selected the express install (and then just the development > package) on the > cd, and then set up networking before I rebooted. My roommate > did a regular > install and he had problems, but he was probably smoking crack. > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Nov 2 00:38:51 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] InstallFest Update Message-ID: Ok , i talked with the classroom scheduler concerning the installfest. Without a faculty sponser the room will be $75/hour. But i have a faculty member who is willing to support (he is a linux enthusiast) and with his support we can get the room %50 off. Placa C, the room that we may get is open Nov. 10th and Nov 24th (i have not checked for December) the total would end up to be around $200 and if we passed a hat around no one would end up paying more than $5. Does this sound doable to you people? -munir -- From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Nov 2 00:42:31 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Meeting topic? Message-ID: <20011101202428.30b3472f.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Did anyone ever decide on a meeting topic? If not, I'm perfectly happy with open discussion, though I suppose some other people aren't.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Game over, man! Game over! / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The documentation looks like something was written in machine code, and I have no idea what it means or what to do with it. Is this something that can be covered at a meeting? Marc _______________________________________________________ http://inbox.excite.com From eng at pinenet.com Fri Nov 2 00:46:06 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] old guy rants (was vi vs. emacs) Message-ID: <01C16333.BD730C00.eng@pinenet.com> The card reader was open until midnight at the U. No so long ago I gutted an old desk size (wide paper) teletype machine to use for a fuel cell carriage. The huge printed circuit card rack area is perfect for fuel cell modules, the huge power supply area can still be used again for a (reverse) power supply, and the desktop is perfect for a controller PC. I welded some heavy steel plate to the original steel frame in case it all blows up. -----Original Message----- From: James Spinti [SMTP:jspinti@dart.dartdist.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 8:20 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: RE: [TCLUG] old guy rants (was vi vs. emacs) | | Ahh.. The sound of a KSR33 Teletype machine-gunning text onto paper at |100cps (ALL UPPER CASE OF COURSE...) The smell of freshly-punched |oiled paper |tape scrolling out onto the floor. | | That's at least two sensory outputs missing from modern computing =:o) | Don't forget the boxes of punched cards that always seemed to have a typo in the middle of them. Or, once you got the typo's fixed, you would invariably drop the box and some of them would get out of order :( But, the worst was standing in line waiting for your job to run, only to get that one page print out that said you had a syntax error on the first card and nothing ran...ah yes, the "good old days" ;) _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Nov 2 00:55:21 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel inject help? In-Reply-To: <20011030155757.C1949@real-time.com> References: <20011030155757.C1949@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011030175143.61eddcc6.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Bob Tanner wrote: > > Ok, I got 48,859 msg that I need to inject into the archives. > > I tried this little script: > > for i in `ls kernel.*`; do > cat $i | /usr/lib/sendmail linux-kernel@lists.real-time.com; > sleep 5s; > done > > The messages are called kernel.* (space is just for readability). > > I get this message: > > bash: /bin/ls: Argument list too long > > Anyone have a quick hack for me to get this working? `ls|egrep '^kernel\.'` ? -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Error 13: Your search / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ violated laws in \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) thirteen states. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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A switch separates traffic so only the machine it's destined for gets it which makes more bandwidth available to each machine, a hub is one big connected wire > What's the actual transfer rate you can achieve? > 1,000,000,000 bits per sec/ 8bits = 125,000,000 bytes per sec > 125,000,000 bytes per sec / reality =~ 20MB/sec I'm guessing. In theory the max is 128MB but reality puts in a 30-40% overhead hit (though switches help reduce this) so you should be able to drive to 80MB or more (of course your drives might not be able to keep up) > > If someone is familiar with this, could you send me some part numbers I > can look-up? > use two gigabit cards (about $50 each) and a cross over cable. (d-link DGE500-T) which I believe is supported by linux (might be the DGE550-T) netgear has a gigabit card as well (ga620t) around $300, that is supported in linux and I also believe linkysys(2f24g2) has a 24port 10/100 switch with 2 10/100/1000 ports for under $500 Eric > Thanks. > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gmcdavid at winternet.com Fri Nov 2 01:40:13 2001 From: gmcdavid at winternet.com (Glenn McDavid) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Starting over In-Reply-To: <20011030221145.6688.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Message-ID: On 30 Oct 2001, Paul wrote: > I don't know about USB in Linux, but I'm pretty sure Win95 doesn't > support it, at least not in the early versions. May be important for > your camera! Some later versions did. I have a Win 95 CD that says "with USB support". IIRC even then you have to explicitly load the USB support--I don't think the default install does it. Another issue is that Win 95, because of its age, will not have the drivers for more modern hardware. You should be sure you have the CD's/disks that came with your camera, etc., or get the drivers from the web. Glenn McDavid mailto:gmcdavid@winternet.com http://www.winternet.com/~gmcdavid From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Nov 2 01:42:20 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Scripting help and iptables In-Reply-To: <3BDEFEA4.C4F5C764@mninter.net> References: <3BDEFEA4.C4F5C764@mninter.net> Message-ID: <20011030145736.755b004a.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Shawn wrote: > > What happened was when I reloaded my machine, I picked both the ipchains > and iptables packages. Somehow I think that neither got compiled into > the kernel. I can modprobe it, and then when doing an lsmod|grep > ip_tables it shows up. for the time being, I also put the modprobe > ip_tables in my rc.local file to get it to work. I still get the error > message that it can't find the filters table. Any ideas on what more I > can do to get this to work? IP Tables is very modular, and the module for the filter table probably isn't loaded. Try also doing `modprobe iptable_filter'. If that doesn't work, something probably didn't get compiled. If you want to go back to IP Chains, you have to remove all of the IP Tables modules first. The kernel only allows you to have one IP filtering system loaded at once (with good reason!) Do `lsmod' and look for anything like ipt_*, iptable_*, and, obviously, ip_tables. Once they're all removed, `modprobe ipchains'. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ What would a chair look / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ like if your knees bent \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) the other way? [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011102/f423383f/attachment.pgp From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Fri Nov 2 01:44:41 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] starting over :( Message-ID: If either or both of the devices you need access to under windows are USB devices, you might have some problems with win95. I think win95 got _some_ USB support in their 'osr2' version, but from reports I read win98's USB support was much better. Does anyone remember anything about this? Does each devices literature specify win95 support? If so, you probably won't have a problem with _this_ aspect. >>> fish@slava.net 10/30/01 01:09PM >>> >>Shawn wrote: >>Why are you going with Win95???? >I hate ME intensely. I have my 95 disks from my previous machine. I >only use Windows for two things: my printer and my digital camera. I'm >hoping I can get the printer sorted in Linux after my overhaul (Anyone >know about USB in Linux?) in which case I only need Win until they make >Linux drivers for my camera. I suppose if I got the printer working in >Linux then I wouldn't care too much whether it is ME or 95. From steveg at transition.com Fri Nov 2 02:02:38 2001 From: steveg at transition.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] starting over :( Message-ID: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BC07C@postman.transition.com> There's a little command line utility out on freshmeat for the canon elph called "s10sh". Just hookup the usb cable and type s10sh -ug , sucks all the pics off of the camera and dumps them in you present working directory. It works well for people too cheap to go and buy yet another digital film reader. I think it works on all the canon s series cameras. -----Original Message----- From: Austad, Jay [mailto:austad@marketwatch.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 2:44 PM To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' Subject: RE: [TCLUG] starting over :( What kind of printer and camera? If the camera uses Compact flash, you can just buy a SanDisk SDDR-31 usb reader, and mount the card as a disk (there's an equivalent for SmartMedia also). This is what I do for my digital Elph. Much faster than the crappy software that came with the camera anyway. Gphoto supports a number of cameras also. I know USB printers work, but I'm not sure which ones. Mandrake has a really nice utility called PrinterDrake which will set it all up for you. From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Fri Nov 2 02:05:17 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] old guy rants (was vi vs. emacs) In-Reply-To: <002001c16169$40ae2720$1e02a8c0@zippy>; from markbrowne@mn.mediaone.net on Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 11:35:17AM -0600 References: <002001c16169$40ae2720$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: <20011030161750.A8992@trammell.dyndns.org> On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 11:35:17AM -0600, Mark Browne wrote: > Ah, for me... > Its the blinky lights! > PDP 8s and 11s, Altair and IMSAI, BIT-483. When I was a boy we had *one* game, and it was called... Stare at the Sun! And we *liked* it! John, reveling in his recent ipchains/ipmasq victory -- johntrammell@yahoo.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Is this good news? > High Court Won't Hear ESpam Case > > By KATHERINE PFLEGER > Associated Press Writer > > WASHINGTON (AP) The U.S. Supreme Court declined to hear a case Monday > involving Washington state's tough law against deceptive junk e-mail, > or spam. > > The decision clears the way for trial to begin in King County Superior > Court in Seattle on a lawsuit against Jason Heckel over millions of > pieces of unsolicited e-mail sent by Heckel and his company, Natural > Instincts. > > The high court turned away the case without comment. But by not > accepting the case, the justices effectively agreed with a Washington > state Supreme Court's decision to overturn lower court's dismissal of > the lawsuit. > > A Washington state law prohibits commercial e-mail with misleading > information in the subject line, an invalid reply address or a > disguised path of transmission across the Internet. > > In October 1998, state Attorney General Christine Gregoire filed suit > against Heckel of Salem, Ore., after her office's Consumer Protection > Division received complaints about Natural Instincts' messages, > advertising a $39.95 package called ``How to Profit From the > Internet.'' > > Among the allegations, Heckel was accused of using a misleading > subject line ``Did I get the right e-mail address?'' which state > lawyers considered a trick to deceive recipients into thinking the > message came from an acquaintance. > > Heckel's attorney, Dale Crandall, said if he doesn't prevail after the > King County trial, the case may work its way back again to the > nation's highest court. > > Crandall argues the Internet is a commercial infrastructure that needs > to be protected from inconsistent state regulations, like Washington's > law, to protect national and international commerce. > > ``We view the Internet to be similar to what the founding fathers saw > in the oceans, coastlines and navigable waters,'' which are protected > by uniform federal regulations, Crandall said. > > But Regina Cullen, Washington state assistant attorney general, said > Crandall wrongly argues Heckel's actions are legitimate and somehow > protected under the Constitution. > > ``You have to take a look at what the man is doing he is defrauding > people,'' she said. ``You can't use the Constitution as a shield to > hide bad behavior.'' > > Cullen said Heckel was selling a 45-page brochure on how to send out > spam. She said the only customer she's aware of, a Washington state > woman, sent Cullen a check but never received the brochure. > > The case is Heckel v. Washington, 01-469. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Nov 2 02:15:52 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:41 2005 Subject: one of the Guys? (Re: [TCLUG] Linux Partitions) In-Reply-To: <3BDEF78C.4000005@slava.net>; from fish@slava.net on Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 12:55:08PM -0600 References: <1004462765.3bdee2adb54c9@dragon> <3BDEF78C.4000005@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011030164456.A53771@chuck.sistina.com> On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 12:55:08PM -0600, Lorry wrote: >I made the mistake of going to a Yahoo! Linux, FreeBSD, Solaris chat a Mistake number one. Try our irc channel on openprojects. We'll be sure to help in between the goofing off :-) >couple nights ago. I walked into a conversation about why all women are >evil, which turned into a conversation about how all homosexuals are >evil, which turned into a conversation about how not enough people in >the neighborhood sell drugs. So if using "Hi Guys" is as bad as it gets >on the list, I'm pretty happy! ;) > >Lorry, one of the female guys > > >jethro@freakzilla.com wrote: > >> Hey, >> >>Quoting "Ursula A. Kallio" : >> >>>>Hi Guys, >>>> >>>Any and all, please try to include the females on this list. >>> >> >>Being female does not exclude you from being One Of The Guys. >> >>-Yaron >> >>-- >>_______________________________________________ >>Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org >>tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Got your war on? http://www.mnftiu.cc/war.html Bill From spencer at autonomous.tv Fri Nov 2 05:31:21 2001 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Yellow Dog 2.1 In-Reply-To: <20011101170433.A5097@friedchicken.org>; from hans@friedchicken.org on Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 05:04:33PM -0600 References: <20011101170433.A5097@friedchicken.org> Message-ID: <20011101192427.A22231@Mail> * H P Christianson (hans@friedchicken.org) wrote: I've been thinking about getting one of those shiny new G4 laptops. Is anyone using one of those? Thanks! > EXCELLENT idea my friend. I has got to be one of the best purchases I have ever made. I am quite happy with my powerbook G4. I does every thing and then some. The only limitation I see is backward compatability with things like floppies and rs232, both of which you can get a USB adapter for. It just simply rawks. If you do get one, make sure and get OS X and the X.1 update (mandatory). I have run SuSE ppc on mine. I have been trying to get DebianPPC and LinuxPPC and YDL, but the cd's do not want to boot proper (maybe cause they are burned?) Other than that I am very happy with my lappy. The wireless card is also a must have. I would stay away from the airport base station though, to many limitations. I use my airport card with a variety of base stations without problem. Mac hardware is the bomb. IMHO > On Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 03:04:00PM +0000, Simeon Johnston wrote: > > > > I'm trying to get the newest Yellow Dog ( 2.1 ) but I can't seem to find > > anyone who has it for download. Apparently you can buy it from there sight > > but it's not on any of the mirror's. > > > > Anyone know why or where I can get it? > > I know at least some of you use PPC's... > > > > sim > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > H. P. Christianson > 20 NE Second St. #1005 > Minneapolis, MN 55413 > (612) 327-6654 > hans@friedchicken.org > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > Spencer Butler Twin Cities Open Systems http://tcos.stderr.net 6126368989@voicestream.net From spencer at autonomous.tv Fri Nov 2 05:33:16 2001 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Freebsd lovin' In-Reply-To: ; from dmblevins@mediaone.net on Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 05:24:40PM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0A5@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011101193745.B22231@Mail> Why yes, yes I have/do use os X. but more importantly I use X.1, which is a much better offering. It has support for dvd and way better memory management. I have access to a shell that is fairly configureable. There is no bash by default, but there is tcsh , csh , sh, and if you grap the fink package you are set. fink is a debian like apt-get'r. It is pretty sweet. You have to install the developer software to have your compiler and fun stuff, but there are a ton of possiblities with this OS. You can even login in as >console and be in a for real console mode. I compiled X on my box but I have yet to configure it, but yes I do have X on darwin, cool stuff. I recommend anyone with a mac to try X.1, X will just make you mad. One thing I am still waiting for is IrDa support, tha t is the only reason I leave 9.2 hanging around at all. Mac OS offers a combination that you just can't find anywhere else. Of course the install is lame and has a HUGE security hole, but hey what do you expect from a company named apple???????? * David Blevins (dmblevins@mediaone.net) wrote: > I've been hearing a lot about FreeBSD since Apple integrated it into the Mac > OS X. An integration like this doesn't happen over night, I imagine that > Apple has been funding the project for quite some time. With Apple's focus > on usability, it's no wonder FreeBSD's user-friendliness is a bit of an > anomaly. > > The first thing I think is "Why FreeBSD and not Linux?" > > Regardless, the idea of a UNIX underbelly with a slick Mac GUI system is > like a dream come true. The question is, can I still get down and dirty > into the UNIX side, does it still feel like UNIX under the hood? > > Anyone here tried out OS X yet? > > David > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Austad, Jay > > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 8:49 AM > > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > > Subject: [TCLUG] Freebsd lovin' > > > > > > Ok, I know this is a linux list and all, but I just installed FreeBSD 4.4, > > and well... It rocks. I used the mini-iso image, which fits on one of > > those little 3 inch CDRs. > > > > Primarily, I did it for a qmail server. With linux, I was limited to 509 > > concurrent outgoing connections without patching the kernel, and no patch > > exists for the 2.4 kernels (at least that I could find). With FreeBSD, I > > just add -DFD_SETSIZE=65536 to the compile options for qmail, and I'm able > > to do over 32,000 concurrent outgoing connections, about 60 times > > more than > > linux. I don't have it set that high of course, but, the ability > > is there. > > > > > > And installing software from the ports tree works excellent. I tried > > downloading apachetoolbox (apachetoolbox.com) and couldn't get it > > to compile > > correctly, so I just went into the ports directory into each directory for > > apache+modssl, mod_php4, and mysql, and did a make/make install > > in each one. > > No errors, and it installed everything perfectly. > > > > If you haven't tried freebsd, now is a good time to give it a shot. I > > selected the express install (and then just the development > > package) on the > > cd, and then set up networking before I rebooted. My roommate > > did a regular > > install and he had problems, but he was probably smoking crack. > > > > Jay > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > Spencer Butler Twin Cities Open Systems http://tcos.stderr.net 6126368989@voicestream.net From hvidsl at parknicollet.com Fri Nov 2 05:36:55 2001 From: hvidsl at parknicollet.com (Hvidsten, Leif) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Partitions Message-ID: > > On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 09:41:14AM -0600, Ursula A. Kallio wrote: > >> Hi Guys, > >Any and all, please try to include the females on this list. > > You start talking about girls and us lonely geeks start > stack-dumping due > to the unknow variables. Hence, this is why formulas such as this have been devised: http://www.ringworld.org/kbullock/funny/Evilgirls.gif > > > > >Cheers, > >uak > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > >http://www.mn-linux.org > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > PRIVACY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain business confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If this e-mail was not intended for you, please notify the sender by reply e-mail that you received this in error. Destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Fri Nov 2 05:43:48 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PHProjekt Message-ID: Anyone using/have used this package? If so, would you be willing to share your experiences, thoughts, complaints, etc. Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Nov 2 05:57:00 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] switch between ext3 and ext2 In-Reply-To: <20011030131702.J1440@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Amy Tanner wrote: > On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 11:53:41AM -0600, jethro@freakzilla.com (jethro@freakzilla.com) wrote: > > Hey, > > > > Quoting Amy Tanner : > > > > > I have a partition I want to change from ext3 to ext2. What's the > > > proper way to make this change? > > > > Mount it as ext2? I think that's one of the strengths of ext3/ext2. > > will mounting it as ext2 have the same effect as recreating the partition > as ext2? No it will not, you will still have the ext3 journal(i am not sure on how to remove it, never tried) but it is not used when booting the drive. But for all intents and purposes it is ext2. -munir > > From chrome at real-time.com Fri Nov 2 06:00:20 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Partitions In-Reply-To: <20011030130207.E1882@chuck.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 01:02:07PM -0600 References: <32670363.1004409737272.JavaMail.imail@zero.excite.com> <20011030130207.E1882@chuck.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20011030171129.C28156@real-time.com> hello y'all, > I'm amazed there are girls on this list. In fact, I don't see that it > matters, we're all dorks who just wanna hack. I know if I use the term > "guys" I mean it more like "y'all" which is what I used to say when I was > in the service but that sounds funny up here in the north country. I personally think "y'all" is a useful linguistic construct, which otherwise is lacking from the English language. the German 'ihr' means roughly the same thing as "y'all", and they use it quite a bit. I fail to see why English should lack a good term for "all of you", when other languages have it. Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From thomas at stderr.net Fri Nov 2 06:01:24 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel inject help? In-Reply-To: <20011030155757.C1949@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 03:57:57PM -0600 References: <20011030155757.C1949@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011031001327.B73801@io.stderr.net> On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 03:57:57PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > Ok, I got 48,859 msg that I need to inject into the archives. > > I tried this little script: > > for i in `ls kernel.*`; do > cat $i | /usr/lib/sendmail linux-kernel@lists.real-time.com; > sleep 5s; > done > > The messages are called kernel.* (space is just for readability). > > I get this message: > > bash: /bin/ls: Argument list too long > > Anyone have a quick hack for me to get this working? for i in `find . -name kernel.\*`; do ? -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From sgrobe at mn.rr.com Fri Nov 2 06:33:19 2001 From: sgrobe at mn.rr.com (steve) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:42 2005 Subject: one of the Guys? (Re: [TCLUG] Linux Partitions) References: <1004462765.3bdee2adb54c9@dragon> <3BDEF78C.4000005@slava.net> <3BDF361B.7030800@winternet.com> Message-ID: <3BDF40EE.9050003@mn.rr.com> Bite of kitten? That's just sick. Slow roasted honey glazed puppy on the other hand. Once again, I've gone to far. Michael Vieths wrote: > Well, I dunno about you, but _I'm_ evil. > > Care for a bite of kitten? > > Mike, one of the homosexual guys > -- The more I know, the more I know I don't know. Confused and confusing since 1966. If I had a nickle for every time I knew I was right and spoke up, I could buy a soda, maybe even two. From sgrobe at mn.rr.com Fri Nov 2 06:48:12 2001 From: sgrobe at mn.rr.com (steve) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] it's all bad Message-ID: <3BDF4349.7070203@mn.rr.com> One of the funniest product reviews I've read for a long time: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/22533.html -- There's a time to speak up and a time to shut up, I just can't keep them straight. From sgrobe at mn.rr.com Fri Nov 2 10:52:28 2001 From: sgrobe at mn.rr.com (steve) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] InstallFest Update References: Message-ID: <3BE295B7.9060503@mn.rr.com> Sounds like a plan to me who do I send the $5 to? Munir Nassar wrote: > Ok , i talked with the classroom scheduler concerning the installfest. > Without a faculty sponser the room will be $75/hour. But i have a faculty > member who is willing to support (he is a linux enthusiast) and with his > support we can get the room %50 off. > > Placa C, the room that we may get is open Nov. 10th and Nov 24th (i have > not checked for December) the total would end up to be around $200 and if > we passed a hat around no one would end up paying more than $5. Does this > sound doable to you people? > > -munir > > -- There's a time to speak up and a time to shut up, I just can't keep them straight. From drake+tclug at lemongecko.org Fri Nov 2 10:55:14 2001 From: drake+tclug at lemongecko.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] women, evil, algebra In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011102065725.A8264@lemongecko.org> On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 04:49PM -0600, Hvidsten, Leif wrote: > Hence, this is why formulas such as this have been devised: > > http://www.ringworld.org/kbullock/funny/Evilgirls.gif Actually, the formula is wrong. When it says Girls = (Sqrt(Evil))^2, all you know is that Girls equal the *absolute value* of Evil. And since evil is certainly negative, the formula is Girls = (-1) * Evil. We know this is not true. (oh, lord, do we know it...). So at this point we look over the theorem and see what conditions we might have missed. Aha! If instead of the real numbers, we use the integers modulo 2 (where -1 is congruent to 1), the original statement will hold. Therefore Girls = Evil (modulo 2). And my parents said a math degree wouldn't be useful! Dan lowering the S/N ratio since 1372 -- | 4699 BDCB B1A5 28B6 7F8A F8DF EB6A BC2A B0A1 99BF (GPG) | Dan Drake | http://lemongecko.org/drake/ | public key: email -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The risk of using the language in such a way is sounding sexist (ie- its ok to address a mixed crowd as "gentlemen"). This is much like Spanish, where words that are feminine are for females only, while the masculine words are for men, or a mixed group. But you are right, we need more gender nutral words like "y'all". Off topic question to the people who use "y'all": is the plural to y'all, "all y'all"? Jay On Tuesday 30 October 2001 05:11 pm, you wrote: > hello y'all, > > > I'm amazed there are girls on this list. In fact, I don't see that it > > matters, we're all dorks who just wanna hack. I know if I use the term > > "guys" I mean it more like "y'all" which is what I used to say when I was > > in the service but that sounds funny up here in the north country. > > I personally think "y'all" is a useful linguistic construct, which > otherwise is lacking from the English language. the German 'ihr' means > roughly the same thing as "y'all", and they use it quite a bit. > I fail to see why English should lack a good term for "all of you", > when other languages have it. > > Carl Soderstrom. -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- Let me put it this way: today is going to be a learning experience. From florin at iucha.net Fri Nov 2 11:01:11 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] InstallFest Update In-Reply-To: ; from nassarmu@redconcepts.net on Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 06:02:22PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011102073829.A9936@beaver.iucha.org> On Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 06:02:22PM -0600, Munir Nassar wrote: > Ok , i talked with the classroom scheduler concerning the installfest. > Without a faculty sponser the room will be $75/hour. But i have a faculty > member who is willing to support (he is a linux enthusiast) and with his > support we can get the room %50 off. > > Placa C, the room that we may get is open Nov. 10th and Nov 24th (i have > not checked for December) the total would end up to be around $200 and if > we passed a hat around no one would end up paying more than $5. Does this > sound doable to you people? 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English does have a term for 'all of you': 'you'. 'You' is both plural and singular, depending on the context it's used in. 'ihr' auf Englisch is 'you'. Just playing the devil's advocate here :) I personally prefer 'y'all' as well. Although, it sounds strange when said out loud, IMO. Gabe -- Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu From poverby at megsinet.net Fri Nov 2 11:06:32 2001 From: poverby at megsinet.net (Paul Overby) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] InstallFest Update - sounds reasonable References: Message-ID: <3BE2A8A0.27EB5CE3@megsinet.net> Munir Nassar wrote: > Ok , i talked with the classroom scheduler concerning the installfest. > Without a faculty sponser the room will be $75/hour. But i have a faculty > member who is willing to support (he is a linux enthusiast) and with his > support we can get the room %50 off. > > Placa C, the room that we may get is open Nov. 10th and Nov 24th (i have > not checked for December) the total would end up to be around $200 and if > we passed a hat around no one would end up paying more than $5. Does this > sound doable to you people? > > -munir > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Paul Overby Poverby@megsinet.net Office: 651-686-6074 Home: 452-3233 From phil at rephil.org Fri Nov 2 11:09:34 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (phil@rephil.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Partitions In-Reply-To: <20011030171129.C28156@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 05:11:29PM -0600 References: <32670363.1004409737272.JavaMail.imail@zero.excite.com> <20011030130207.E1882@chuck.sistina.com> <20011030171129.C28156@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011102084147.A18334@rephil.org> On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 05:11:29PM -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > hello y'all, > > > I'm amazed there are girls on this list. In fact, I don't see that it > > matters, we're all dorks who just wanna hack. I know if I use the term > > "guys" I mean it more like "y'all" which is what I used to say when I was > > in the service but that sounds funny up here in the north country. > > I personally think "y'all" is a useful linguistic construct, which > otherwise is lacking from the English language. the German 'ihr' means > roughly the same thing as "y'all", and they use it quite a bit. > I fail to see why English should lack a good term for "all of you", > when other languages have it. Submit a feature request, or just write your own term! -- I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Nov 2 11:11:46 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Freebsd lovin' In-Reply-To: References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0A5@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011102085446.221cf85a.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "David Blevins" wrote: > > I've been hearing a lot about FreeBSD since Apple integrated it into the > Mac OS X. An integration like this doesn't happen over night, I imagine > that Apple has been funding the project for quite some time. With > Apple's focus on usability, it's no wonder FreeBSD's user-friendliness > is a bit of an anomaly. > > The first thing I think is "Why FreeBSD and not Linux?" Why did Apple pick FreeBSD instead of Linux? Probably because of the different licenses. Apple made some extensions to the kernel to get it to work on Apple machines. I guess they ended up releasing the source in the end (they call the low-level system Darwin), but they could have kept the whole thing proprietary. Legend has it that one of Steve Jobs's other companies, NeXT, made some extensions to the gcc compiler for the Objective-C language that they wanted to keep as proprietary. They were confronted and released their changes, but I'm sure it left a nasty taste in Jobs's mouth. I'm not sure if the story is true, but it would explain why Apple seems to stay away from Linux and GPLed software. In fact, Apple used to support work on Linux for the Mac (mkLinux, I think, though the `mk' was for `micro-kernel'), but that quietly went away when Jobs returned to be iCEO. Anyway, I'm just bitter that Apple won't let me play Sorenson QuickTime movies on my Linux box :-p -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I came, I saw, I hid in the / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ basement. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011102/29edf79e/attachment.pgp From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Fri Nov 2 11:13:54 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] configuring a home network w/dialup Internet gateway In-Reply-To: <6193187.1004680988752.JavaMail.imail@squealer.excite.com>; from molivier1@excite.com on Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 10:03:08PM -0800 References: <6193187.1004680988752.JavaMail.imail@squealer.excite.com> Message-ID: <20011102085830.A14587@trammell.dyndns.org> On Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 10:03:08PM -0800, Marc Olivier wrote: > Hello. > I'm in over my head. I have Suse Linux 7.3 up and running on my system, but > I can't make heads or tails of the documentation regarding setting up a > network. I can tell that the network card is working by the light on my > Ethernet hub, but that's all. I think I'm supposed to set up a static IP > address, because I can't get DHCP to work. However, to get the IP address I > need to do something with a Name Server. The documentation looks like > something was written in machine code, and I have no idea what it means or > what to do with it. 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I think I'm supposed to set up a static IP > address, because I can't get DHCP to work. However, to get the IP address I > need to do something with a Name Server. The documentation looks like > something was written in machine code, and I have no idea what it means or > what to do with it. Is this something that can be covered at a meeting? NET-HOWTO (http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/Net-HOWTO) Or you can try http://www-105.ibm.com/developerworks/education.nsf/linux-onlinecourse-bytitle/F70061C28055BCBB86256AF5006EAE95?OpenDocument florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The documentation looks like > something was written in machine code, and I have no idea what it means or > what to do with it. Is this something that can be covered at a meeting? > > Marc Not too over your head really. I'm working on the same thing. If you're not running DHCP and DNS on your network, assign IP's staticly then put your system names in the /etc/hosts files. Have your gateway machine with the ppp connection use the ips's dns. You may also need to put the isp's dns entries into the other machine's dns entries (/etc/resolv.conf on *nix) and if windows, dns entries in the networking config there. Check out www.linuxdocs.org and check out the ppp and networking how-to's for some more info. From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Nov 2 11:20:43 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Freebsd lovin' Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0AF@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Here's how I know: Oops. Your system's FD_SET() has a hidden limit of 1024 descriptors. This means that the qmail daemons could crash if you set the run-time concurrency higher than 509. So I'm going to insist that the concurrency limit in conf-spawn be at most 509. Right now it's 2048. I tried modifying the code so it would let it compile with my value, but it crashed qmail once I hit 510 for concurrency. This is a well known issue on the qmail mailing list. With kernel 2.2, it was possible to find a canned patch for the kernel, apply it, recompile, and you were good. However, with kernel 2.4, I can't find a patch. Also, apparently the patch does not play nice with certain scsi drivers, and since you have to recompile everything, including modules, I'm SOL since my main servers that I run it on have a raid card for which the driver source is not available (thanks Dell). Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Dier [mailto:dieman+tclug@ringworld.org] > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 5:24 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Freebsd lovin' > > > * Austad, Jay [011101 16:30]: > > Primarily, I did it for a qmail server. With linux, I was > limited to > > 509 concurrent outgoing connections without patching the > kernel, and > > no patch > > How are you making this conclusion? > > -- > Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Just say NO to Product Activation! _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Nov 2 11:22:47 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Freebsd lovin' Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0B0@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > The first thing I think is "Why FreeBSD and not Linux?" Because the GPL requires apple to release all of it's source code for any changes it makes in the kernel. > Regardless, the idea of a UNIX underbelly with a slick Mac > GUI system is like a dream come true. The question is, can I > still get down and dirty into the UNIX side, does it still > feel like UNIX under the hood? > > Anyone here tried out OS X yet? You need to take a trip to the apple store at the mall of america. OSX is nice. I really really want a G4 box so I can run it, but alas, I have other things to spend my money on right now. You can open a shell (tcsh I think) and play around. It's under the Utilities folder I think. Jay From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Nov 2 11:24:22 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Starting over In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Glenn McDavid wrote: > On 30 Oct 2001, Paul wrote: > > > I don't know about USB in Linux, but I'm pretty sure Win95 doesn't > > support it, at least not in the early versions. May be important for > > your camera! > > Some later versions did. I have a Win 95 CD that says "with USB > support". IIRC even then you have to explicitly load the USB support--I > don't think the default install does it. not only that, but because it was an Add-On most USB hardware would not work with it. Win95 USB support is good enough only for maybe a KeyBoard, a Mouse and maybe a VERY old digital camera. -munir > > Another issue is that Win 95, because of its age, will not have the > drivers for more modern hardware. You should be sure you have the > CD's/disks that came with your camera, etc., or get the drivers from the > web. > > Glenn McDavid > mailto:gmcdavid@winternet.com > http://www.winternet.com/~gmcdavid > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- From amy at real-time.com Fri Nov 2 11:26:59 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] .Xauthority and AFS Message-ID: <20011102101817.B2254@real-time.com> I'm trying to move my home directory into AFS. However, when I try to login to X, I see this error in /var/log/messages: Nov 1 15:29:18 lynx gdm[2530]: gdm_auth_user_add: Could not lock cookie file /afs/ahpcrc.org/home/atanner/.Xauthority Note: I copied everything from my regular home dir into my home dir under AFS, including all the . files/directories. Anyone else get this to work? -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From duncan at sodatrain.com Fri Nov 2 11:28:05 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP Best practices References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0A5@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20011101105244.H6553@Mail> Message-ID: <3BE2CA38.5080901@sodatrain.com> Hello- Im going to be setting up an FTP server, and am aware that ftp has a history of bad security. I have looked around at ftp servers, and pure-ftpd seems to be pretty good... however, im not sure. Any one have any best practices or good advice to help ensure decent security on the box? SFTP? Its a linux box, and folks will be connecting (maybe doenst matter) with windows. thanks duncan From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Nov 2 11:30:17 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Starting over In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Glenn McDavid wrote: > On 30 Oct 2001, Paul wrote: > > Some later versions did. I have a Win 95 CD that says "with USB > support". IIRC even then you have to explicitly load the USB support--I > don't think the default install does it. Yes and no. You can install the USB patches and everything appears fine until you try to plug in a device. Sometimes works, sometimes not. Most HP stuff does NOT work, however I've seen a few rare devices that do. Your best bet is Win98. -Brian From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Nov 2 15:17:12 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:43 2005 Subject: language constructs (was Re: [TCLUG] Linux Partitions) In-Reply-To: <20011030171129.C28156@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > I personally think "y'all" is a useful linguistic construct, which > otherwise is lacking from the English language. the German 'ihr' means > roughly the same thing as "y'all", and they use it quite a bit. I dunno, using "y'all" sounds kinda redneck-ish to me. Some digging through the dictionary and a thesaurus has led me to the word "assemblage", which I think describes this group well. Nice to hear from you Carl, how are you and your car today? -Brian From uak at nerp.net Fri Nov 2 15:18:51 2001 From: uak at nerp.net (Ursula A. Kallio) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] women, evil, algebra In-Reply-To: <20011102065725.A8264@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: Speaking of Algebra, I need to borrow an Algebra book and a Trig book for a placement exam that I need to take as I was just admitted to a CS program at the U of MN, which will allow me to further understand Linux and UNIX and keep this thread tied to the topic, and I was wondering if anyone would like to share their text books. uak On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Dan Drake wrote: > On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 04:49PM -0600, Hvidsten, Leif wrote: > > Hence, this is why formulas such as this have been devised: > > > > http://www.ringworld.org/kbullock/funny/Evilgirls.gif > > Actually, the formula is wrong. When it says > > Girls = (Sqrt(Evil))^2, > > all you know is that Girls equal the *absolute value* of Evil. And since > evil is certainly negative, the formula is > > Girls = (-1) * Evil. > > We know this is not true. (oh, lord, do we know it...). So at this point > we look over the theorem and see what conditions we might have missed. > Aha! If instead of the real numbers, we use the integers modulo 2 (where > -1 is congruent to 1), the original statement will hold. Therefore > > Girls = Evil (modulo 2). > > > And my parents said a math degree wouldn't be useful! > > > Dan > lowering the S/N ratio since 1372 > > -- > | 4699 BDCB B1A5 28B6 7F8A F8DF EB6A BC2A B0A1 99BF (GPG) > | Dan Drake | http://lemongecko.org/drake/ > | public key: email > From gregory.siems at pca.state.mn.us Fri Nov 2 15:19:55 2001 From: gregory.siems at pca.state.mn.us (Siems, Gregory) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Partitions Message-ID: and the plural of "y'all" is "all y'all" :-) > ---------- > From: Gabe Turner[SMTP:gabe@msi.umn.edu] > Reply To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 8:00 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Linux Partitions > > > I personally think "y'all" is a useful linguistic construct, which > > otherwise is lacking from the English language. the German 'ihr' means > > roughly the same thing as "y'all", and they use it quite a bit. > > I fail to see why English should lack a good term for "all of you", > > when other languages have it. > > English does have a term for 'all of you': 'you'. 'You' is both plural and > singular, depending on the context it's used in. 'ihr' auf Englisch is > 'you'. Just playing the devil's advocate here :) I personally prefer > 'y'all' as well. Although, it sounds strange when said out loud, IMO. > > Gabe > -- > Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu > SGI Origin Systems Administrator, > University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute > for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From hvidsl at parknicollet.com Fri Nov 2 15:20:59 2001 From: hvidsl at parknicollet.com (Hvidsten, Leif) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] women, evil, algebra Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thank you for enlightening me on this... :-) > > > On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 04:49PM -0600, Hvidsten, Leif wrote: > > Hence, this is why formulas such as this have been devised: > > > > http://www.ringworld.org/kbullock/funny/Evilgirls.gif > > Actually, the formula is wrong. When it says > > Girls = (Sqrt(Evil))^2, > > all you know is that Girls equal the *absolute value* of > Evil. And since > evil is certainly negative, the formula is > > Girls = (-1) * Evil. > > We know this is not true. (oh, lord, do we know it...). So at > this point > we look over the theorem and see what conditions we might have > missed. Aha! If instead of the real numbers, we use the integers > modulo 2 (where > -1 is congruent to 1), the original statement will hold. Therefore > > Girls = Evil (modulo 2). > > > And my parents said a math degree wouldn't be useful! > > > Dan > lowering the S/N ratio since 1372 > > -- > | 4699 BDCB B1A5 28B6 7F8A F8DF EB6A BC2A B0A1 99BF (GPG) > | Dan Drake | http://lemongecko.org/drake/ | public key: email -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBO+LUAA0Fbeg2JuLNEQK84wCfT2Bks1lwNMA9eIzNqjgRaWvmsf0An1bX uuakGMlNiCgTsaaxPsOeLkBd =t8ur -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- PRIVACY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain business confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If this e-mail was not intended for you, please notify the sender by reply e-mail that you received this in error. Destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. From amy at real-time.com Fri Nov 2 15:22:56 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] InstallFest Update In-Reply-To: ; from nassarmu@redconcepts.net on Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 06:02:22PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011102111125.E2751@real-time.com> On Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 06:02:22PM -0600, Munir Nassar (nassarmu@redconcepts.net) wrote: > Ok , i talked with the classroom scheduler concerning the installfest. > Without a faculty sponser the room will be $75/hour. But i have a faculty > member who is willing to support (he is a linux enthusiast) and with his > support we can get the room %50 off. > > Placa C, the room that we may get is open Nov. 10th and Nov 24th (i have > not checked for December) the total would end up to be around $200 and if > we passed a hat around no one would end up paying more than $5. Does this > sound doable to you people? Let's do it. $5 is reasonable and it's been so long since we've had an installfest. We can atleast try it there once and see how it works out. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From phil at rephil.org Fri Nov 2 15:25:47 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (phil@rephil.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] women, evil, algebra In-Reply-To: <20011102065725.A8264@lemongecko.org>; from drake+tclug@lemongecko.org on Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 06:57:25AM -0600 References: <20011102065725.A8264@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: <20011102111910.A18541@rephil.org> On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 06:57:25AM -0600, Dan Drake wrote: > On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 04:49PM -0600, Hvidsten, Leif wrote: > > Hence, this is why formulas such as this have been devised: > > > > http://www.ringworld.org/kbullock/funny/Evilgirls.gif > > Actually, the formula is wrong. When it says > > Girls = (Sqrt(Evil))^2, I think it's wrong when it says Girls = Time * Money. I think girls are a non-linear complex valued function of both time and money, i.e. Girls = f(t,m) > all you know is that Girls equal the *absolute value* of Evil. And since > evil is certainly negative, the formula is > > Girls = (-1) * Evil. No, again, I believe evil to be complex, and certainly girls are. Therefore you have to multiply by the conjugate, though that's perhaps a bit risque for a "family program." ;) > And my parents said a math degree wouldn't be useful! They should have said it wouldn't profit you. ;) Oh -- "Linux." Now this post is flame-retardant. -- I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Fri Nov 2 15:27:42 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Partitions--off topic version :) In-Reply-To: <20011102080052.B29390@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> Message-ID: |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Gabe Turner |Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 8:01 AM |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org |Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Linux Partitions | | |> I personally think "y'all" is a useful linguistic construct, which |> otherwise is lacking from the English language. the German 'ihr' means |> roughly the same thing as "y'all", and they use it quite a bit. |> I fail to see why English should lack a good term for "all of you", |> when other languages have it. | |English does have a term for 'all of you': 'you'. 'You' is both plural and |singular, depending on the context it's used in. 'ihr' auf Englisch is |'you'. Just playing the devil's advocate here :) I personally prefer |'y'all' as well. Although, it sounds strange when said out loud, IMO. | |Gabe |-- The problem is that 20th century English dropped the you singular-- thou/thee/thine and kept only the plural "you" for both singular and plural. If you are really interested, there is a dual version (i.e., two people), but I can't remember it anymore...check Oxford English Dictionary. Who said that 6+ years of graduate study in Ancient Mediterranean languages wasn't applicable to computers :) Of course, there is always the Indiana "you'uns" or the Michigan "yous guys" but generally upper Midwesterners prefer to say "you guys" instead of "y'all" (which, incidentally, is NOT singular as I was informed when I first moved to Kentucky) James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Nov 2 15:29:39 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Partitions In-Reply-To: <20011102080052.B29390@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Gabe Turner wrote: > 'ihr' auf Englisch want to revise that? auf ist nicht grade ein englishes wort. (trans: auf is not really an english word) two people can play devils advocate i suppose... -munir From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Nov 2 15:32:39 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Freebsd lovin' In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0B0@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > You need to take a trip to the apple store at the mall of america. OSX is > nice. I really really want a G4 box so I can run it, but alas, I have other > things to spend my money on right now. You can open a shell (tcsh I think) > and play around. It's under the Utilities folder I think. There's an Apple store in the MOA? Where? Another good Apple store is the far back corner of Microcenter, lots of mac geeks, lots of macs. -Brian From hvidsl at parknicollet.com Fri Nov 2 15:34:34 2001 From: hvidsl at parknicollet.com (Hvidsten, Leif) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Starting over Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I was able to get our USB HP scanner here at work to work with Win95 OSR Ver. C, but it definitely has some serious bugs. For example, whenever the scanner is plugged into the USB port, the computer always hangs during shutdown or restart. If I simply unplug the scanner while the computer is hanging it will then complete its shutdown/restart cycle. > -----Original Message----- > From: Munir Nassar [mailto:nassarmu@redconcepts.net] > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 10:13 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Re: Starting over > > > On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Glenn McDavid wrote: > > > On 30 Oct 2001, Paul wrote: > > > > > I don't know about USB in Linux, but I'm pretty sure Win95 > > > doesn't support it, at least not in the early versions. May be > important for > > > your camera! > > > > Some later versions did. I have a Win 95 CD that says "with USB > > support". IIRC even then you have to explicitly load the > USB support--I > > don't think the default install does it. > > not only that, but because it was an Add-On most USB hardware > would not > work with it. Win95 USB support is good enough only for maybe > a KeyBoard, > a Mouse and maybe a VERY old digital camera. > > -munir > > > > > Another issue is that Win 95, because of its age, will not have > > the drivers for more modern hardware. You should be sure you > > have the CD's/disks that came with your camera, etc., or get the > drivers from the > > web. > > > > Glenn McDavid > > mailto:gmcdavid@winternet.com > > http://www.winternet.com/~gmcdavid > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBO+LZAA0Fbeg2JuLNEQLkTACgscpzX051NzqpFyBW2lqePBcVRtsAoKr5 G+aOy5AoHCRUEni8cnOhQA5s =Y1Bb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- PRIVACY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain business confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If this e-mail was not intended for you, please notify the sender by reply e-mail that you received this in error. Destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Nov 2 15:35:38 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] InstallFest Update In-Reply-To: <3BE295B7.9060503@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: Actually i was hoping we could just have a collection at the installfest, but my suggestion would be to ask the Tresurer about the money. next question: when do you propose we have the installfest? Nov. 10th is open but there is a big ESL language convention happening so the 24th may be a better option -munir On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, steve wrote: > Sounds like a plan to me who do I send the $5 to? > > Munir Nassar wrote: > > > Ok , i talked with the classroom scheduler concerning the installfest. > > Without a faculty sponser the room will be $75/hour. But i have a faculty > > member who is willing to support (he is a linux enthusiast) and with his > > support we can get the room %50 off. > > > > Placa C, the room that we may get is open Nov. 10th and Nov 24th (i have > > not checked for December) the total would end up to be around $200 and if > > we passed a hat around no one would end up paying more than $5. Does this > > sound doable to you people? > > > > -munir > > > > > > > -- From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Nov 2 15:37:45 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP Best practices In-Reply-To: <3BE2CA38.5080901@sodatrain.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, duncan wrote: > Hello- > > Im going to be setting up an FTP server, and am aware that ftp has a > history of bad security. > > I have looked around at ftp servers, and pure-ftpd seems to be pretty > good... however, im not sure. When i setup my ftp server most people advised me to use ProFTPd, its really nice, secure and it uses an apache-like conf file > > Any one have any best practices or good advice to help ensure decent > security on the box? for standard FTP my recomendation is to allow anonymous read-only access only, for uploads users can use SFTP > SFTP? > > Its a linux box, and folks will be connecting (maybe doenst matter) with > windows. in your anonymous ftp you can have a copy of psftp (search for putty on google) psftp is a sftp client for windows. -munir > > thanks > > duncan > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- From josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org Fri Nov 2 15:38:59 2001 From: josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP Best practices In-Reply-To: <3BE2CA38.5080901@sodatrain.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ok, well here's how I run *my* ftp daemon on my bsd box. First I tell the daemon that it can only allow users that exist in the /etc/ftpchroot file, anonymous isn't allowed and nothing else is permitted. This is a nice start. Oh yeah, all users are chrooted to their home directory. Next, I can make a choice. Do I want to allow passive connections or not? If I do then I have to accomodate this with my firewall by opening a port range for incoming connections. This works by (a) telling FTP to only pick from the "high" ports (b) telling my kernel that high ports start and end at xxxxx and xxxxx (this means I don't have to pass 1025-65535 which is just insane) (c) telling my firewall to open those ports that I've specifically defined as "high". I chose differently. My daemon doesn't do passive connections so I just edited it's yacc command description file and removed PASV, EPSV and LPSV. Now it's not an issue at all. Obviously it would be nice to just use SCP and SFTP but that isn't practical when it comes to joe user who wants to have j.random publshing software upload to the server. Joshua b. Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 http://www.greentechnologist.org On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, duncan wrote: > Hello- > > Im going to be setting up an FTP server, and am aware that ftp has a > history of bad security. > > I have looked around at ftp servers, and pure-ftpd seems to be pretty > good... however, im not sure. > > Any one have any best practices or good advice to help ensure decent > security on the box? > > SFTP? > > Its a linux box, and folks will be connecting (maybe doenst matter) with > windows. > > thanks > > duncan > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE74ts3fexLsowstzcRAq8yAKDrywf9QCf0fOt4PlS1+vC98sGoCgCggOnM Q44gEsUTFYL/M5BPnJiKu3s= =orfZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Nov 2 15:40:57 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP Best practices Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0B5@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Proftpd is an excellent ftp server. The config files are straight forward, it doesn't need to run as root, you can easily to virtual domains, and it runs as a daemon (not from inetd). Maybe they've fixed it now, but passive mode was broken for awhile. This was quite some time ago, so I'm sure it's fixed by now. Stay away from anything based on wu-ftpd's code, it has a long history of security problems, and must also run as root. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: duncan [mailto:duncan@sodatrain.com] > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 10:31 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] FTP Best practices > > > Hello- > > Im going to be setting up an FTP server, and am aware that ftp has a > history of bad security. > > I have looked around at ftp servers, and pure-ftpd seems to be pretty > good... however, im not sure. > > Any one have any best practices or good advice to help ensure decent > security on the box? > > SFTP? > > Its a linux box, and folks will be connecting (maybe doenst > matter) with > windows. > > thanks > > duncan > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From drake+tclug at lemongecko.org Fri Nov 2 15:45:04 2001 From: drake+tclug at lemongecko.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] women, evil, algebra In-Reply-To: <20011102065725.A8264@lemongecko.org> References: <20011102065725.A8264@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: <20011102120553.A8538@lemongecko.org> On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 06:57AM -0600, Dan Drake wrote: > Actually, the formula is wrong. Actually, *I* am wrong. I was thinking you were taking the square root of something squared; it's the other way around. Take this as a lesson, kids: do not think about math before 7 am. Dan -- | 4699 BDCB B1A5 28B6 7F8A F8DF EB6A BC2A B0A1 99BF (GPG) | Dan Drake | http://lemongecko.org/drake/ | public key: email -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011102/aa09be03/attachment.pgp From wilson at visi.com Fri Nov 2 15:49:03 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP Best practices In-Reply-To: <3BE2CA38.5080901@sodatrain.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, duncan wrote: > Any one have any best practices or good advice to help ensure decent > security on the box? Will you have a public download section? Will users only be accessing their personal files? I use proftpd on my box and chroot the users in their home directories. There's also an anonymous ftp section for download only. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From shane at pinnacle.schulte.org Fri Nov 2 15:51:54 2001 From: shane at pinnacle.schulte.org (Shane Kinney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Freebsd lovin' In-Reply-To: <20011102085446.221cf85a.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011102123634.V34536-100000@pinnacle.schulte.org> Prolly because FreeBSD is _better_ than linux. On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Mike Hicks wrote: > "David Blevins" wrote: > > > > I've been hearing a lot about FreeBSD since Apple integrated it into the > > Mac OS X. An integration like this doesn't happen over night, I imagine > > that Apple has been funding the project for quite some time. With > > Apple's focus on usability, it's no wonder FreeBSD's user-friendliness > > is a bit of an anomaly. > > > > The first thing I think is "Why FreeBSD and not Linux?" > > Why did Apple pick FreeBSD instead of Linux? Probably because of the > different licenses. Apple made some extensions to the kernel to get it to > work on Apple machines. I guess they ended up releasing the source in the > end (they call the low-level system Darwin), but they could have kept the > whole thing proprietary. > > Legend has it that one of Steve Jobs's other companies, NeXT, made some > extensions to the gcc compiler for the Objective-C language that they > wanted to keep as proprietary. They were confronted and released their > changes, but I'm sure it left a nasty taste in Jobs's mouth. > > I'm not sure if the story is true, but it would explain why Apple seems to > stay away from Linux and GPLed software. In fact, Apple used to support > work on Linux for the Mac (mkLinux, I think, though the `mk' was for > `micro-kernel'), but that quietly went away when Jobs returned to be iCEO. > > Anyway, I'm just bitter that Apple won't let me play Sorenson QuickTime > movies on my Linux box :-p > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I came, I saw, I hid in the > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ basement. > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > From seg at haxxed.mine.nu Fri Nov 2 15:55:03 2001 From: seg at haxxed.mine.nu (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Starting over References: Message-ID: <3BE31036.6050308@haxxed.mine.nu> >>>I don't know about USB in Linux, but I'm pretty sure Win95 doesn't >>>support it, at least not in the early versions. May be important for >>>your camera! >>> >>Some later versions did. I have a Win 95 CD that says "with USB >>support". IIRC even then you have to explicitly load the USB support--I >>don't think the default install does it. >> > > not only that, but because it was an Add-On most USB hardware would not > work with it. Win95 USB support is good enough only for maybe a KeyBoard, > a Mouse and maybe a VERY old digital camera. Not even that. The USB patch for OSR2 is there only to prevent a yellow exclimation point on the USB controller in the system control panel. It comes with absolutely no device drivers. No mice, no keyboards, no nothing. Apparently some early HP scanner drivers could work with 95's USB. But you need at least 98 for anything else. From uak at nerp.net Fri Nov 2 15:58:06 2001 From: uak at nerp.net (Ursula A. Kallio) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] InstallFest Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yikes, I could benefit greatly from an installfest. Unfortunately, I _know_ that the 10th will not work for me... (And I _might_ still be out of the country on the 24th.) I don't mean to make this too complicated and I know I am only 1 of many others. uak On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Munir Nassar wrote: > Actually i was hoping we could just have a collection at the installfest, > but my suggestion would be to ask the Tresurer about the money. > > next question: when do you propose we have the installfest? Nov. 10th is > open but there is a big ESL language convention happening so the 24th may > be a better option From amy at real-time.com Fri Nov 2 16:00:06 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] InstallFest Update In-Reply-To: ; from nassarmu@redconcepts.net on Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 11:34:44AM -0600 References: <3BE295B7.9060503@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <20011102154746.A1334@real-time.com> On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 11:34:44AM -0600, Munir Nassar (nassarmu@redconcepts.net) wrote: > Actually i was hoping we could just have a collection at the installfest, > but my suggestion would be to ask the Tresurer about the money. > > next question: when do you propose we have the installfest? Nov. 10th is > open but there is a big ESL language convention happening so the 24th may > be a better option 24th is on a holiday weekend... do it first week in december? -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From jstauffer at baldwin-telecom.net Fri Nov 2 16:02:06 2001 From: jstauffer at baldwin-telecom.net (James Stauffer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:45 2005 Subject: language constructs (was Re: [TCLUG] Linux Partitions) References: Message-ID: <3BE31586.F34330C3@baldwin-telecom.net> I heard someone say that "you" used to only by used as plural and "thee" was used for singular. Brian wrote: > > On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > I personally think "y'all" is a useful linguistic construct, which > > otherwise is lacking from the English language. the German 'ihr' means > > roughly the same thing as "y'all", and they use it quite a bit. > > I dunno, using "y'all" sounds kinda redneck-ish to me. Some digging > through the dictionary and a thesaurus has led me to the word > "assemblage", which I think describes this group well. > > Nice to hear from you Carl, how are you and your car today? > > -Brian > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sraun at fireopal.org Fri Nov 2 16:07:24 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Making POP3 Work In-Reply-To: <20011031222140.A18307@fireopal.org> References: <20011031222140.A18307@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <20011102130524.A572@fireopal.org> I sent this Wednesday, but haven't seen it come back yet. Help? On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 10:21:41PM -0600, sraun wrote: > OK, I got a telnet session into port 110, and it claims to be talking. > > Is there something that I have to do for a user account to be able to > access POP3? -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Nov 2 19:55:07 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP Best practices In-Reply-To: References: <3BE2CA38.5080901@sodatrain.com> Message-ID: <20011102155121.D3791@wookimus.net> On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 11:39:19AM -0600, Munir Nassar wrote: > When i setup my ftp server most people advised me to use ProFTPd, its > really nice, secure and it uses an apache-like conf file ProFTPd has had problems with NIS user accounts, thus why we use WuFTPd. Yes, NIS is insecure and should not be used on open internet service-based servers, but our current requirements require it. (I'd love to replace NIS with LDAP+ssl one of these days. Heck, I'd be happy with rsync+scp for /etc/{passwd,shadow,group,sgroup,hosts} synchronization.) WuFTPd is just as powerful (as ProFTPd) and has the same type of reputation that Sendmail has in the email server world: it's been around the block; it's had security problems; it's also stable, well-tested, and highly configurable. One suggestion I would make is this, run your anonymous ftp server for anonymous access ONLY (something I cannot get away with, unfortunately). Force your users to use sftp or scp to move their files about. If you want to be really paranoid, run your ftp daemon in a chroot and use the Linux 2.4 feature of multi-mount binding of directories. E.g. bash$ sudo mount --bind /home/ftp/pub /var/chroot/ftpd/pub bash$ sudo chroot /var/chroot/ftpd /etc/init.d/wuftpd start Oh, yeah, and install sudo. root command audit trails are nice to have in a multi-manager environment. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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My recommendation would be SFTP on the server side, and make the Windows users buy a copy of CuteFTP Pro (supports sftp.. cool!) if they can't handle command line sftp. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From PCZeilon at att.net Fri Nov 2 19:58:30 2001 From: PCZeilon at att.net (Carl & Paula Zeilon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Partition sizes? Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011102160258.01636ba8@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> I'm going to do a fresh install of Mandrake 8.1 on a dual boot system with WinXP. I've read that making a 7mg /boot partition makes it easy to use the Windows boot.ini file to choose operating systems. I also now have 512mg of ram. Does the 2x rule still apply for the swap partition? This seams like overkill (and a waste of drive space). In the past I've been using a 4.5gb / & a 3.0gb /home. How does this sound? This is just a home machine with no server duties. Thanks From amy at real-time.com Fri Nov 2 19:59:42 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Making POP3 Work In-Reply-To: <20011102130524.A572@fireopal.org>; from sraun@fireopal.org on Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 01:05:25PM -0600 References: <20011031222140.A18307@fireopal.org> <20011102130524.A572@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <20011102161313.D1334@real-time.com> On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 01:05:25PM -0600, Scott Raun (sraun@fireopal.org) wrote: > I sent this Wednesday, but haven't seen it come back yet. Help? After you're telnetted in, type this: user username pass password ...substitute username and password... it will tell you if the account has permissions and if so, how many messages in the mailbox. > > On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 10:21:41PM -0600, sraun wrote: > > OK, I got a telnet session into port 110, and it claims to be talking. > > > > Is there something that I have to do for a user account to be able to > > access POP3? > > -- > Scott Raun > sraun@fireopal.org > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From chrome at real-time.com Fri Nov 2 20:00:51 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:45 2005 Subject: language constructs (was Re: [TCLUG] Linux Partitions) In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 10:57:21AM -0600 References: <20011030171129.C28156@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011102161353.B11449@real-time.com> > Nice to hear from you Carl, how are you and your car today? I'm ok. the car is still driveable (tho not pretty). if anyone hasn't heard, or wants the full details (or wants to buy a '91 cutlass with a crumpled hood and front bumper -- really cheap); mail me off-list. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Nov 2 20:02:40 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Freebsd lovin' Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0C2@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Yes, there is the official, one and only Apple store on the first floor in the MOA. I think it's on the west side. Lot's of cool stuff. It opened a couple of months ago I think. > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian [mailto:lxy@cloudnet.com] > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 11:28 AM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Freebsd lovin' > > > On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > You need to take a trip to the apple store at the mall of america. > > OSX is nice. I really really want a G4 box so I can run > it, but alas, > > I have other things to spend my money on right now. You can open a > > shell (tcsh I think) and play around. It's under the > Utilities folder I think. > > There's an Apple store in the MOA? Where? Another good > Apple store is the far back corner of Microcenter, lots of > mac geeks, lots of macs. > > -Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Nov 2 20:03:52 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Freebsd lovin' Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0C3@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > Prolly because FreeBSD is _better_ than linux. Awww man... I'm going to end this right here.... Hitler! http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/legends/godwin/ > > On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Mike Hicks wrote: > > > "David Blevins" wrote: > > > > > > I've been hearing a lot about FreeBSD since Apple > integrated it into > > > the Mac OS X. An integration like this doesn't happen > over night, I > > > imagine that Apple has been funding the project for quite > some time. > > > With Apple's focus on usability, it's no wonder FreeBSD's > > > user-friendliness is a bit of an anomaly. > > > > > > The first thing I think is "Why FreeBSD and not Linux?" > > > > Why did Apple pick FreeBSD instead of Linux? Probably > because of the > > different licenses. Apple made some extensions to the > kernel to get > > it to work on Apple machines. I guess they ended up releasing the > > source in the end (they call the low-level system Darwin), but they > > could have kept the whole thing proprietary. > > > > Legend has it that one of Steve Jobs's other companies, NeXT, made > > some extensions to the gcc compiler for the Objective-C > language that > > they wanted to keep as proprietary. They were confronted > and released > > their changes, but I'm sure it left a nasty taste in Jobs's mouth. > > > > I'm not sure if the story is true, but it would explain why Apple > > seems to stay away from Linux and GPLed software. In fact, > Apple used > > to support work on Linux for the Mac (mkLinux, I think, though the > > `mk' was for `micro-kernel'), but that quietly went away when Jobs > > returned to be iCEO. > > > > Anyway, I'm just bitter that Apple won't let me play Sorenson > > QuickTime movies on my Linux box :-p > > > > -- > > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I came, I saw, > I hid in the > > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ basement. > > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | > mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu > > ] > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Nov 2 20:05:03 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] InstallFest Update Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0C4@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Will we have internet access in the installfest room? > -----Original Message----- > From: Amy Tanner [mailto:amy@real-time.com] > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 3:48 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] InstallFest Update > > > On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 11:34:44AM -0600, Munir Nassar > (nassarmu@redconcepts.net) wrote: > > Actually i was hoping we could just have a collection at the > > installfest, but my suggestion would be to ask the Tresurer > about the > > money. > > > > next question: when do you propose we have the installfest? > Nov. 10th > > is open but there is a big ESL language convention happening so the > > 24th may be a better option > > 24th is on a holiday weekend... do it first week in december? > > -- > Amy Tanner > amy@real-time.com _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Nov 2 20:06:55 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] InstallFest Update In-Reply-To: <20011102154746.A1334@real-time.com> Message-ID: I will look into it, but it should be doable... -munir On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Amy Tanner wrote: > On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 11:34:44AM -0600, Munir Nassar (nassarmu@redconcepts.net) wrote: > > Actually i was hoping we could just have a collection at the installfest, > > but my suggestion would be to ask the Tresurer about the money. > > > > next question: when do you propose we have the installfest? Nov. 10th is > > open but there is a big ESL language convention happening so the 24th may > > be a better option > > 24th is on a holiday weekend... do it first week in december? > > -- From jim at bleedpurple.com Fri Nov 2 20:11:36 2001 From: jim at bleedpurple.com (BleedPurpleGuy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Weekend Fun: You Know You're A Geek When... Message-ID: <028601c163f5$e70f6e10$d129a541@host209> You know you're a geek when... ... you have a DMZ in your house! ... you capture "You Know You're A Geek When..." quotes in a MySQL database for ease of adminstration. Any others? I'm sure we've done this before, but I'd LOVE to capture these in a database... Jim From markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net Fri Nov 2 20:13:55 2001 From: markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] InstallFest Update References: Message-ID: <003301c163f7$de56ffc0$1e02a8c0@zippy> Perhaps a signup page / calendar voting page on the TCLUG site? Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Munir Nassar" To: Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] InstallFest Update Actually i was hoping we could just have a collection at the installfest, but my suggestion would be to ask the Tresurer about the money. next question: when do you propose we have the installfest? Nov. 10th is open but there is a big ESL language convention happening so the 24th may be a better option -munir On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, steve wrote: > Sounds like a plan to me who do I send the $5 to? > > Munir Nassar wrote: > > > Ok , i talked with the classroom scheduler concerning the installfest. > > Without a faculty sponser the room will be $75/hour. But i have a faculty > > member who is willing to support (he is a linux enthusiast) and with his > > support we can get the room %50 off. > > > > Placa C, the room that we may get is open Nov. 10th and Nov 24th (i have > > not checked for December) the total would end up to be around $200 and if > > we passed a hat around no one would end up paying more than $5. Does this > > sound doable to you people? > > > > -munir > > > > > > > -- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net Fri Nov 2 20:16:23 2001 From: markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Freebsd lovin' References: Message-ID: <003a01c163f8$aed94b80$1e02a8c0@zippy> I just came back from looking as OS X at MEI. Its looks great, seems to work great and has bunches of apps. Please set flames to low - I am just looking for the big picture here... Can I run Linux stuff on this somehow? Will X apps work with this somehow? How about KDE Apps? Gimp? I know, I could dig on the net and work this out but I am just looking for a quick Y/n? Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian" To: Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 11:27 AM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Freebsd lovin' On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > You need to take a trip to the apple store at the mall of america. OSX is > nice. I really really want a G4 box so I can run it, but alas, I have other > things to spend my money on right now. You can open a shell (tcsh I think) > and play around. It's under the Utilities folder I think. There's an Apple store in the MOA? Where? Another good Apple store is the far back corner of Microcenter, lots of mac geeks, lots of macs. -Brian _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net Fri Nov 2 20:18:56 2001 From: markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] women, evil, algebra References: Message-ID: <005801c163f9$9354cfa0$1e02a8c0@zippy> Got lots - always grab 'em when I wee 'em at garage sales. Some new - some pretty old. I am posting to the list as a resource - the offer is open to all. Please reply off list to hold clutter down. Where do you live? What do you need? Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ursula A. Kallio" To: Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] women, evil, algebra Speaking of Algebra, I need to borrow an Algebra book and a Trig book for a placement exam that I need to take as I was just admitted to a CS program at the U of MN, which will allow me to further understand Linux and UNIX and keep this thread tied to the topic, and I was wondering if anyone would like to share their text books. uak On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Dan Drake wrote: > On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 04:49PM -0600, Hvidsten, Leif wrote: > > Hence, this is why formulas such as this have been devised: > > > > http://www.ringworld.org/kbullock/funny/Evilgirls.gif > > Actually, the formula is wrong. When it says > > Girls = (Sqrt(Evil))^2, > > all you know is that Girls equal the *absolute value* of Evil. And since > evil is certainly negative, the formula is > > Girls = (-1) * Evil. > > We know this is not true. (oh, lord, do we know it...). So at this point > we look over the theorem and see what conditions we might have missed. > Aha! If instead of the real numbers, we use the integers modulo 2 (where > -1 is congruent to 1), the original statement will hold. Therefore > > Girls = Evil (modulo 2). > > > And my parents said a math degree wouldn't be useful! > > > Dan > lowering the S/N ratio since 1372 > > -- > | 4699 BDCB B1A5 28B6 7F8A F8DF EB6A BC2A B0A1 99BF (GPG) > | Dan Drake | http://lemongecko.org/drake/ > | public key: email > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Fri Nov 2 20:21:23 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Passport is bad. How bad? Stealing MS Passport's Wallet Message-ID: <20011102175922.B25388@real-time.com> We all know passport is bad. Just how bad is it? Stealing MS Passport's Wallet http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,48105,00.html -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Fri Nov 2 20:23:09 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Quicktime and Linux? Message-ID: <20011102180822.C25388@real-time.com> I think I have asked this before, but is there a way to play quicktime movies under Linux? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jim at herrick.net Fri Nov 2 20:23:38 2001 From: jim at herrick.net (Jim Herrick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Weekend Fun: You Know You're A Geek When... Message-ID: <032501c163fc$3744f8e0$d129a541@host209> You know you're a geek when... ... you have a DMZ in your house! ... you capture "You Know You're A Geek When..." quotes in a MySQL database for ease of adminstration. Any others? I'm sure we've done this before, but I'd LOVE to capture these in a database... Jim From jim at herrick.net Fri Nov 2 20:24:09 2001 From: jim at herrick.net (Jim Herrick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SpamCop = SpamCrap? Message-ID: <032601c163fc$3969ada0$d129a541@host209> Never had this problem, but making sure all the headers are being forwarded is KEY. This includes all the "Received: From" lines. Sorry this isn't more help. I'm very interested in streamlining this process. I've been using procmail since the procmail presentation and have a pretty good spam-catching recipe. I'd like to get procmail to forward those messages (currently going into my "spamfilter" folder) to Spamcop. Has anybody done anything like this? I'm sure I'll have to use "F" for forwarding, "h" and "b" for header and body information. Any other tips? Eventually, I'd even like lynx to execute with the link in SpamCop's auto-reply message making this thing a pretty slick spam defense system... Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Tanner" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 7:44 PM Subject: [TCLUG] SpamCop = SpamCrap? > Ok, I thought I'd give SpamCop a try. I expanded the headers of the spam, and > forwarded it to spamcop@spamcop.net . > > Got this niffy autoresponse back. > > > Subject: SpamCop has accepted 1 email for processing > > > > SpamCop is now ready to process your spam. > > > > Note: Please use spam@cmds.spamcop.net instead of spamcop@spamcop.net. > > > > Members should use these links: > > http://members.spamcop.net/sc?tid=z25143423z67ed3781865afb2bd7bf098cc6861996 z > > > > Non-Members must use these links: > > http://spamcop.net/sc?id=z25143423z67ed3781865afb2bd7bf098cc6861996z > > Went to the non-member url and I get this message. > > Saved email: > This page may be saved for future reference: > http://spamcop.net/sc?id=z25143423z67ed3781865afb2bd7bf098cc6861996z > Guessing end of header is here:> > For more accurate results, please deliniate body with an empty line > > Parsing header: > No source IP address found, cannot proceed. Not full header? > No tracking information found in header: > > > Return-Path: > > Probably not full headers - see FAQ: > Email software FAQ > > no header > > Would send message source reports to: > Cookie option allows additional reporting in this space. > > Looking at the FAQ, I do have unset forward_decode in my rc file. What gives? > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From hans at friedchicken.org Fri Nov 2 20:29:52 2001 From: hans at friedchicken.org (H P Christianson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] women, evil, algebra In-Reply-To: <20011102111910.A18541@rephil.org>; from phil@rephil.org on Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 11:19:10AM -0600 References: <20011102065725.A8264@lemongecko.org> <20011102111910.A18541@rephil.org> Message-ID: <20011102201211.A6808@friedchicken.org> No, no. You have it all wrong. Girls are indeed a complex valued function of time and money, but I think it's reasonable to assume it's holomorphic except at a few isolated essential singularities (after all, girls can be dense at points...) So girls=f(t+im). Now if one has a lot of time and money, one is doing great. So t+im=g. Also, if e is "evil", g*e=abs(g^2), representing how good and evil have the same modulus, but the product is a boring real number. Thus e is the complex conjugate of g, and we have df/de=0 (since f is holomorphic on a suitable neighborhood). Thus girls is a constant function of evil. Then if we evaluate it at a single point, it will give us the value of girls. I.e. I have a really, really, really evil girlfriend once. Therefore, girls are really, really, really evil. (I have ommitted a few of the details of this proof. Notice the one on the website is slightly weaker..) On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 11:19:10AM -0600, phil@rephil.org wrote: > On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 06:57:25AM -0600, Dan Drake wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 04:49PM -0600, Hvidsten, Leif wrote: > > > Hence, this is why formulas such as this have been devised: > > > > > > http://www.ringworld.org/kbullock/funny/Evilgirls.gif > > > > Actually, the formula is wrong. When it says > > > > Girls = (Sqrt(Evil))^2, > > I think it's wrong when it says Girls = Time * Money. I think girls > are a non-linear complex valued function of both time and money, i.e. > > Girls = f(t,m) > > > all you know is that Girls equal the *absolute value* of Evil. And since > > evil is certainly negative, the formula is > > > > Girls = (-1) * Evil. > > No, again, I believe evil to be complex, and certainly girls are. > Therefore you have to multiply by the conjugate, though that's perhaps > a bit risque for a "family program." ;) > > > And my parents said a math degree wouldn't be useful! > > They should have said it wouldn't profit you. ;) > > Oh -- "Linux." Now this post is flame-retardant. > > -- > I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, > but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- H. P. Christianson 20 NE Second St. #1005 Minneapolis, MN 55413 (612) 327-6654 hans@friedchicken.org From clay at fandre.com Fri Nov 2 20:30:09 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Monthly TCLUG Meeting this Saturday Message-ID: <20011102064627.A27096@fandre.com> When: Saturday November 3rd, 2001 noon - 2pm Topic LDAP Where: University of Minnesota Room EE-CS 3-180 http://onestop.umn.edu/Maps/EECSci/index.html Check out http://www.mn-linux.org/meetings/ for more information. Hope to see you there! _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From rahrenstorff at yahoo.com Fri Nov 2 20:30:25 2001 From: rahrenstorff at yahoo.com (Rodd Ahrenstorff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] InstallFest Update In-Reply-To: <20011102111125.E2751@real-time.com> References: <20011102111125.E2751@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200111022145.fA2Ljxc19497@sprite.real-time.com> As a new member to the list, I would gladly pay $5-10 to attend the Install Fest. I work weedays in the evening, so have been unable to attend any "beer" meetings. The 24th would work best for me... _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From rahrenstorff at yahoo.com Fri Nov 2 20:30:49 2001 From: rahrenstorff at yahoo.com (Rodd Ahrenstorff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] logging on to a NT domain? Message-ID: <200111022302.fA2N2Ec20762@sprite.real-time.com> This is my first attempt at networking with LInux. Ok...I have clean install of Mandrake 8.1 at work. Our NT based LAN uses a DHCP server, and this serves up the IP address to my Linux client just fine. I can get out on the internet through our gateway router. However I cannot browse the network since I cannot login to the PDC. I know I must use SAMBA. I checked my installed packages and SAMBA client shows up. Questions: 1. I do not know exactly what changes I need to make in the smb.config file to get access working. 2. How do I get SAMB running or check to see if it's already running? TOPS? Thanks for your help _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Nov 2 20:32:38 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] InstallFest Update In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0C4@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > Will we have internet access in the installfest room? Of course, what use would it be without? and on a saturday we will have the T1 line for our selves... On monday i will double-check on network connectivity in the room. If some of you could get some hubs or switches (the IT dept doesnt like to loan out $3000 equipment for obvious reasons) I only have one or two 24-port 10 meg hubs that i can bring if that is enough for you people then so be it... -munir > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Amy Tanner [mailto:amy@real-time.com] > > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 3:48 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] InstallFest Update > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 11:34:44AM -0600, Munir Nassar > > (nassarmu@redconcepts.net) wrote: > > > Actually i was hoping we could just have a collection at the > > > installfest, but my suggestion would be to ask the Tresurer > > about the > > > money. > > > > > > next question: when do you propose we have the installfest? > > Nov. 10th > > > is open but there is a big ESL language convention happening so the > > > 24th may be a better option > > > > 24th is on a holiday weekend... do it first week in december? > > > > -- > > Amy Tanner > > amy@real-time.com _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- From houle at citilink.com Fri Nov 2 20:33:21 2001 From: houle at citilink.com (Terry Houle) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest Message-ID: I know I am only one person but I would not NOT vote for Nov 10th. For one thing it is fairly short notice. The other more personal, and biased, is that I have been waiting a long time for the next one and will be out of town due to the Association of Personal Computer Users Groups (www.apcug.org) convention beginning just before Comdex. Terry Houle President Twin Cities PC Users Group terry@tcpc.com http://www.tcpc.com From spencer at autonomous.tv Fri Nov 2 20:42:17 2001 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] InstallFest In-Reply-To: ; from nassarmu@redconcepts.net on Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 05:30:41PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011030162127.C21856@Mail> $10 a head seems a little much. But beer and pizza included might be cool. I also hear the Twin Cities Open Systems folks are working on getting a permanent place to hold install fests and meetings and LAN parties and .......... * Munir Nassar (nassarmu@redconcepts.net) wrote: > I am still looking for places to host the installfest, and now that the > AFCSME strike is over MCTC is a viable option again. I talked to Dana, > the Network Administrator at MCTC and he is amiable to the idea and has > suggested a few Rooms that we can use. > > The question is: There may be a charge for using the room, it will > probably be not much but since the TC-LUG tresury(sp?) has active funds of > about $0s would you be willing to chip in $10 a head for rent and -if > there is enough left over- Pizza and Drinks? > > -Munir > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > Spencer Butler Twin Cities Open Systems http://tcos.stderr.net From andy at theasis.com Sat Nov 3 00:57:12 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] usb scanners, xscanimage/gimp In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F109682@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: I got this thing, and have it working, sorta. It does a nice job in 8 bit color, but both xscanimage and gimp (same thing, right?) give me the choice of 14 bit also. Then I get an error message saying it can't do 16-bit color, and it chokes everything. To restore any functionality, I have to rmmod the scanner module, unplug the scanner, then set it up again. Isn't this thing supposed to do a zillion (ok, 42) bits? How do I get xscanimage to allow *anything* more than 8? Thanks, Andy > I was doing some more checking and from what I can see, the Epson Perfection > 1240U is probably the best for the price. 4 to 5 seconds to scan a 4x5 > photo at 600dpi. > > http://www.epinions.com has a couple of reviews on it, and one even mentions > that it works with Linux. http://www.pricescan.com has a listing for $163 > too. > > Jay From webmaster at aardvarko.com Sat Nov 3 00:58:27 2001 From: webmaster at aardvarko.com (aardvarko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Freebsd lovin' In-Reply-To: <003a01c163f8$aed94b80$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: > Please set flames to low - I am just looking for the big picture here... > Can I run Linux stuff on this somehow? > Will X apps work with this somehow? > How about KDE Apps? > Gimp? You can run any X-Windows programs on it, as long as they're compiled properly. You'll need to grab a port of X, though; OS X runs Quartz/Aqua as the main graphical environment. -- -aardvarko http://aardvarko.com webmaster at aardvarko dot com > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Mark Browne > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 17:47 > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Freebsd lovin' > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at aardvarko.com Sat Nov 3 01:00:15 2001 From: webmaster at aardvarko.com (aardvarko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Weekend Fun: You Know You're A Geek When... In-Reply-To: <032501c163fc$3744f8e0$d129a541@host209> Message-ID: > You know you're a geek when... ... you decide that writing a quick C++ program to solve your homework is much faster than actually doing it yourself. ... you have the public IP address(es) of your workstation(s) memorized. ... you have more than one network adapter in any one computer. ... you use the verb 'grep' in normal conversation. (Incidentally, grep is an entry in dictionary.com. Interesting.) -- -aardvarko http://aardvarko.com webmaster at aardvarko dot com > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jim Herrick > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 18:09 > To: Twin Cities Linux Users Group > Subject: [TCLUG] Weekend Fun: You Know You're A Geek When... From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Nov 3 01:00:37 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Freebsd lovin' In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0C3@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0C3@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011102203611.627bcf98.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > Hitler! http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/legends/godwin/ Oh sheesh. Can we at least agree to find a few other dead dictators and freaks of history to pick on? -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I'm moving to Mars next / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ week. You have any extra \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) boxes? [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm sure we've done this before, but I'd LOVE to capture > these in a database... ... you reimplement, for no obvious reason, something that has worked fine for many years: fortune Of course, fortune quotes are already in an easy-to-interpret format, so importing it all into a database wouldn't be hard at all ;-) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ "640K ought to be enough / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ for anybody." -- Bill Gates \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) '81 [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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However, to get the > IP address I need to do something with a Name Server. The documentation > looks like something was written in machine code, and I have no idea > what it means or what to do with it. Is this something that can be > covered at a meeting? Since this is a home network, and you're probably going to end up going through an IP Masquerading dialup gateway, it'd be best if you use the private address spaces allocated for just this sort of thing. No need to worry about what addresses you pick. There are three different ranges you can pick 10.0.0.0 - 10.255.255.255 (one class A network, 16 million addresses) 172.16.0.0 - 172.31.255.255 (16 class B networks, 65k addresses each) 192.168.0.0 - 192.168.255.255 (256 class C networks, 256 addresses each) I usually use addresses in the range of 192.168.0.1 to 192.168.0.254. In case you don't know much about networking, the .0 and .255 addresses are generally used for broadcast traffic (these days, much broadcast traffic comes from Windows boxes advertising their presence to the local network), and hosts generally shouldn't have those IP addresses ending with those numbers. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Any fool can criticize, / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ condemn, & complain. And \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) most do. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011103/a846bc31/attachment.pgp From bradyh at bitstream.net Sat Nov 3 01:01:51 2001 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Quicktime and Linux? In-Reply-To: <20011102180822.C25388@real-time.com> References: <20011102180822.C25388@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1004757474.19557.108.camel@localhost.localdomain> http://store.yahoo.com/codeweavers-wine/index.html You mean besides this? It's $19.95 but it seems like a fairly good cause. > I think I have asked this before, but is there a way to play quicktime movies > under Linux? > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From seg at haxxed.mine.nu Sat Nov 3 01:03:25 2001 From: seg at haxxed.mine.nu (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cdrdao toc and CDRWin cue files References: <3BDF4B53.30704@haxxed.mine.nu> <20011030205908.50146ade.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3BE37383.1050600@haxxed.mine.nu> Mike Hicks wrote: > Callum Lerwick wrote: > >>I wish windows Cd burning software would just standardise on a damn >>format already. Hell, it would be nice if most windows software could at >>least read/write plain old .iso files. ;P >> > > Are there any advantages to these other file formats? They all have to be > converted to .iso in the end, don't they? Well, basically they contain everything within a single file. Different tracks of all types, different sessions, audio tracks, etc rather than a bunch of wav's and ISOs and a cue file of some kind. From drake+tclug at lemongecko.org Sat Nov 3 01:03:43 2001 From: drake+tclug at lemongecko.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "K" LUG? Message-ID: <20011102223427.A9209@lemongecko.org> Having shown this morning that I can't do simple algebra, let me further expose my ignorance: Why is the Rochester LUG called K-LUG? I like the letter `K' and all, but I think I'm missing something here. Just curious. Dan -- | 4699 BDCB B1A5 28B6 7F8A F8DF EB6A BC2A B0A1 99BF (GPG) | Dan Drake | http://lemongecko.org/drake/ | public key: email -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011103/0a8ce85d/attachment.pgp From seg at haxxed.mine.nu Sat Nov 3 01:03:59 2001 From: seg at haxxed.mine.nu (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Weekend Fun: You Know You're A Geek When... References: <032501c163fc$3744f8e0$d129a541@host209> Message-ID: <3BE37433.9000704@haxxed.mine.nu> Jim Herrick wrote: > You know you're a geek when... > ... you have a DMZ in your house! > ... you capture "You Know You're A Geek When..." quotes in a MySQL database > for ease of adminstration. > > Any others? I'm sure we've done this before, but I'd LOVE to capture these > in a database... You only know its a holiday because $SearchEngineOfChoice has changed themes. From jack at jacku.com Sat Nov 3 01:04:19 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Partitions--off topic version :) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01110223064800.00848@geezer> On Friday 02 November 2001 11:26, you wrote: > Of course, there is always the Indiana "you'uns" or the Michigan "yous > guys" but generally upper Midwesterners prefer to say "you guys" instead of > "y'all" (which, incidentally, is NOT singular as I was informed when I > first moved to Kentucky) > On the topic of localization. In New Jersey (or Joizy for those who live there) I think the pronunciation is the same as Michigan but the spelling is always "youse guys". I always associate y'all with people who live in States that 140 years ago attempted to no longer be part of the USA and some that couldn't decide. (i.e. Tennesee) -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sat Nov 3 01:04:39 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] InstallFest In-Reply-To: <20011030162127.C21856@Mail> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Spencer Butler wrote: > $10 a head seems a little much. But beer and pizza included might be cool. > I also hear the Twin Cities Open Systems folks are working on getting a > permanent place to hold install fests and meetings and LAN parties and > .......... I understand, my job search is not going too well at the moment and i would rather get more Dr. Pepper with the money but i prefer to pay $10 and have the installfest in downtown Minneapolis than have to go to the suburbs (i dont have a car) but then again, everything is negotiable and if you have a better cheaper place to go to then we are all ears... plus, we usually have about 100 linux geeks at installfests, not everybody absolutely HAS to pay, those who can will and those who cannot may do so next time, that is why i proposed passing a hat around. -munir > > > * Munir Nassar (nassarmu@redconcepts.net) wrote: > > I am still looking for places to host the installfest, and now that the > > AFCSME strike is over MCTC is a viable option again. I talked to Dana, > > the Network Administrator at MCTC and he is amiable to the idea and has > > suggested a few Rooms that we can use. > > > > The question is: There may be a charge for using the room, it will > > probably be not much but since the TC-LUG tresury(sp?) has active funds of > > about $0s would you be willing to chip in $10 a head for rent and -if > > there is enough left over- Pizza and Drinks? > > > > -Munir > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > Spencer Butler > Twin Cities Open Systems > http://tcos.stderr.net > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Sat Nov 3 05:14:12 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Quicktime and Linux? In-Reply-To: <1004757474.19557.108.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Yes. You can play lots of Quicktime files under Linux with quicktime4linux. The trick is the Sorensen codec Quicktime files that everyone seems to like. You can play Sorensen on Macs and Windows, cause that's all Sorensen has licensed the codec for. You can use Codeweaver's Crossover plugin to run the Windows version of Quicktime as a plugin to your favorite browser. Works well enough for apple.com/trailers. The $20 was worth it, IMHO. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "OK, I've just about had my FILL of riddle-asking, quest assigning, insult throwing, pun hurling, hostage taking, iron mongering, smart arsed fools, freaks, and felons that continually test my will, mettle, strength, intelligence, and most of all, patience! If you've got a straight answer ANYWHERE in that bent little head of yours, I want to hear it pretty damn quick or I'm going to take a large blunt object roughly the size of Elminster AND his hat, and stuff it lengthwise into a crevice of your being so seldom seen that even the denziens of the nine hells wouldn't touch it with a twenty-foot rusty halberd! Have I MADE myself perfectly CLEAR?!" --PC to Portalbendarwinden From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sat Nov 3 05:14:59 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Monthly TCLUG Meeting this Saturday In-Reply-To: <20011102064627.A27096@fandre.com> References: <20011102064627.A27096@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20011103025321.G16600@ringworld.org> * Clay Fandre [011102 20:33]: > LDAP BTW, This is going to mostly be a 'heres how im implementing a directory service for white pages'. I'm willing to touch on anything that people want to talk about, but its probally not going to be a long talk. I'll probally also show off how different clients interop with LDAP if possible. I'll be showing off what (little) code ive written so far, and where I'm going to take the project I'm working on for this. The code will be available as I complete bits of it... So, please come with any LDAPish questions you might have, too :) Sorry that its pretty admin-oriented. But I'm also interested in user-questions/comments about directory services in general. See you all tommrow. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Just say NO to Product Activation! From kbullock at ringworld.org Sat Nov 3 05:16:00 2001 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin R. Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Freebsd lovin' In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Brian wrote: > On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > > You need to take a trip to the apple store at the mall of america. OSX is > > nice. I really really want a G4 box so I can run it, but alas, I have other > > things to spend my money on right now. You can open a shell (tcsh I think) > > and play around. It's under the Utilities folder I think. > There's an Apple store in the MOA? Where? Another good Apple store is > the far back corner of Microcenter, lots of mac geeks, lots of macs. No no no, not *an* apple store, *the* Apple Store. Apple's direct retail chain. It looks more like an art gallery than a computer store :) /Definitely/ worth checking out. Pacem in Terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock From tanner at real-time.com Sat Nov 3 05:18:20 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Linux and Win2K TOC the same? In-Reply-To: <20011030222123.C2684@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 10:21:23PM -0600 References: <20011030222123.C2684@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011030222242.D2684@real-time.com> Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com): > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20011030/tc/tech_intel_napster_dc_2.html > This article vs this article. http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-7720536.html?tag=owv How Linux saved Amazon millions I'm confused! :-0 -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From webmaster at aardvarko.com Sat Nov 3 10:07:22 2001 From: webmaster at aardvarko.com (aardvarko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] usb scanners, xscanimage/gimp In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Isn't this thing supposed to do a zillion (ok, 42) bits? How do I get > xscanimage to allow *anything* more than 8? Keep in mind that the 42-bit color figure is referring to a total depth of 42 bits per *pixel*, while the 8 bit color you're seeing is per *channel* (I.E., 24-bits per pixel). You're not missing a huge amount with 24bpp (8bpc), unless you are doing drastic histographic value changes; in 'dat case, the higher bit depth will keep your images from becoming posterized. You'll still need to downgrade to 24bpp or 8bpp to save in most any "standard" format. -- -aardvarko http://aardvarko.com webmaster at aardvarko dot com > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of andy@theasis.com > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 20:30 > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] usb scanners, xscanimage/gimp From markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net Sat Nov 3 10:09:06 2001 From: markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Linux and Win2K TOC the same? References: <20011030222123.C2684@real-time.com> <20011030222242.D2684@real-time.com> Message-ID: <001601c1646b$c6c0ffe0$1e02a8c0@zippy> Simple, this is an example of the old phrase: "Your milage may vary." As I read between the lines I get: Intel is using PCs for desktop work - training and maintaining local experts seems like a big deal to them. Even thought they make chips much of what they do is sales and marketing. Lots of clueless office folks. Amazon is doing the server thing, and they have to have experts either way. Even though they do sales much of what they do is web wizardry. Lots of pet geeks. Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Tanner" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 10:22 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Linux and Win2K TOC the same? Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com): > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20011030/tc/tech_intel_napster_dc_2.html > This article vs this article. http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-7720536.html?tag=owv How Linux saved Amazon millions I'm confused! :-0 -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From eric at urbanrage.com Sat Nov 3 10:11:04 2001 From: eric at urbanrage.com (eric) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Making POP3 Work References: <20011031222140.A18307@fireopal.org> <20011102130524.A572@fireopal.org> <20011102161313.D1334@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3BE3FE8D.88222BA6@urbanrage.com> Amy Tanner wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 01:05:25PM -0600, Scott Raun (sraun@fireopal.org) wrote: > > I sent this Wednesday, but haven't seen it come back yet. Help? > > After you're telnetted in, type this: > > user username > pass password > > ...substitute username and password... > > it will tell you if the account has permissions and if so, how many messages > in the mailbox. > Then you can follow it up with commands like retr # <- put in the number of the message you want to look at dele # <- dele the message specified by the number quit <- leave and execute an pending updates (like dele's) list <- lists all the messages (doesn't retr), gives message # and size rset <- undoes dele's, haven't tried it so I don't know for sure top m n <- gives the top n lines of msg m (not implemented in all pop servers) I believe list also takes an optional # to list only a particular message. for further information check the rfc http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1939.html Eric From clay at fandre.com Sat Nov 3 10:12:09 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Meeting topic? In-Reply-To: <20011102004751.62fab8f5.blayer@qwest.net> References: <20011101202428.30b3472f.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20011102004751.62fab8f5.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20011103082700.A7516@fandre.com> Didn't the announcement come out to this list? Bob, doesn't the accouncement list also go the the general list? Anyway, the topic is LDAP. Check out the website for more info. http://www.mn-linux.org/meetings/ Be there or be square. On Fri, 02 Nov 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 20:24:28 -0600 > "Mike Hicks" wrote: > > > Did anyone ever decide on a meeting topic? > > Yes. At a recent beermeeting it was roundly agreed that Ben Kochie would be giving a presentation on IRC, and more specifically, on BitchX ;) > > No, not really... well, kind of. > > Got your war on? http://www.mnftiu.cc/war.html > > Bill > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Sat Nov 3 10:13:21 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] InstallFest Update In-Reply-To: <003301c163f7$de56ffc0$1e02a8c0@zippy> References: <003301c163f7$de56ffc0$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: <20011103083147.B7516@fandre.com> There is already a signup page on the site. http://www.mn-linux.org/installfest/registration.php I will add a poll today. On Fri, 02 Nov 2001, Mark Browne wrote: > Perhaps a signup page / calendar voting page on the TCLUG site? > > Mark Browne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Munir Nassar" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 11:34 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] InstallFest Update > > > Actually i was hoping we could just have a collection at the installfest, > but my suggestion would be to ask the Tresurer about the money. > > next question: when do you propose we have the installfest? Nov. 10th is > open but there is a big ESL language convention happening so the 24th may > be a better option > > -munir > > On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, steve wrote: > > > Sounds like a plan to me who do I send the $5 to? > > > > Munir Nassar wrote: > > > > > Ok , i talked with the classroom scheduler concerning the installfest. > > > Without a faculty sponser the room will be $75/hour. But i have a > faculty > > > member who is willing to support (he is a linux enthusiast) and with his > > > support we can get the room %50 off. > > > > > > Placa C, the room that we may get is open Nov. 10th and Nov 24th (i have > > > not checked for December) the total would end up to be around $200 and > if > > > we passed a hat around no one would end up paying more than $5. Does > this > > > sound doable to you people? > > > > > > -munir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Sat Nov 3 10:14:30 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] InstallFest Update In-Reply-To: <003301c163f7$de56ffc0$1e02a8c0@zippy> References: <003301c163f7$de56ffc0$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: <20011103083811.A14305@fandre.com> OK. Vote away!!! http://www.mn-linux.org/ On Fri, 02 Nov 2001, Mark Browne wrote: > Perhaps a signup page / calendar voting page on the TCLUG site? > > Mark Browne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Munir Nassar" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 11:34 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] InstallFest Update > > > Actually i was hoping we could just have a collection at the installfest, > but my suggestion would be to ask the Tresurer about the money. > > next question: when do you propose we have the installfest? Nov. 10th is > open but there is a big ESL language convention happening so the 24th may > be a better option > > -munir > > On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, steve wrote: > > > Sounds like a plan to me who do I send the $5 to? > > > > Munir Nassar wrote: > > > > > Ok , i talked with the classroom scheduler concerning the installfest. > > > Without a faculty sponser the room will be $75/hour. But i have a > faculty > > > member who is willing to support (he is a linux enthusiast) and with his > > > support we can get the room %50 off. > > > > > > Placa C, the room that we may get is open Nov. 10th and Nov 24th (i have > > > not checked for December) the total would end up to be around $200 and > if > > > we passed a hat around no one would end up paying more than $5. Does > this > > > sound doable to you people? > > > > > > -munir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Sat Nov 3 10:16:17 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "K" LUG? In-Reply-To: <20011102223427.A9209@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Dan Drake wrote: > Why is the Rochester LUG called K-LUG? I like the letter `K' and all, > but I think I'm missing something here. Browse the k-lug archives, it was too long to remember the whole thing. Basically, out of some sort of rivalry a small BBS called themselves k-something or other, and then they all started using linux at some point and became a LUG. Yeah, read the archives :-) -Brian From lxy at cloudnet.com Sat Nov 3 10:17:24 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Weekend Fun: You Know You're A Geek When... In-Reply-To: <032501c163fc$3744f8e0$d129a541@host209> Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Jim Herrick wrote: > You know you're a geek when... > ... you have a DMZ in your house! > ... you capture "You Know You're A Geek When..." quotes in a MySQL database > for ease of adminstration. ... you send out the same LUG posting using two different addresses, both subscribed to that LUG. From florin at iucha.net Sat Nov 3 10:18:30 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Partition sizes? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011102160258.01636ba8@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>; from PCZeilon@att.net on Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 04:03:00PM -0600 References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011102160258.01636ba8@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <20011103091856.A27301@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 04:03:00PM -0600, Carl & Paula Zeilon wrote: > I'm going to do a fresh install of Mandrake 8.1 on a dual boot system with > WinXP. I've read that making a 7mg /boot partition makes it easy to use > the Windows boot.ini file to choose operating systems. I also now have > 512mg of ram. Does the 2x rule still apply for the swap partition? This > seams like overkill (and a waste of drive space). In the past I've been > using a 4.5gb / & a 3.0gb /home. How does this sound? This is just a > home machine with no server duties. Thanks The swap = 2 x ram is no longer true for workstations. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011103/b6c793ea/attachment.pgp From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Nov 3 10:19:44 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "K" LUG? In-Reply-To: <20011102223427.A9209@lemongecko.org> References: <20011102223427.A9209@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: <20011103092446.7a440997.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Dan Drake wrote: > > Having shown this morning that I can't do simple algebra, let me further > expose my ignorance: > > Why is the Rochester LUG called K-LUG? I like the letter `K' and all, > but I think I'm missing something here. > > Just curious. Because it's k-rad, dude! I dunno, I have some suspicion that it's also partially due to the fact that a lot of the early members were originally from Kasson, a town about 12 miles west of Rochester. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Tolkien is hobbit-forming. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Um... yeah, I wouldn't have asked the question if I hadn't at least tried (; The .cue files I have are apparently too complicated, cdrdao chokes on reading 'em. -Yaron -- From thomas at stderr.net Sat Nov 3 14:17:22 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] InstallFest Update In-Reply-To: <20011103083811.A14305@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 08:38:11AM -0600 References: <003301c163f7$de56ffc0$1e02a8c0@zippy> <20011103083811.A14305@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20011103171933.J85113@io.stderr.net> On Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 08:38:11AM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: > OK. Vote away!!! > http://www.mn-linux.org/ I know I shouldn't pick at the options, but what about a "i don't care" option, for those that actually can show up anytime.. Would be more fair. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From drew at usfamily.net Sat Nov 3 14:19:57 2001 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Weekend Fun: You Know You're A Geek When... References: Message-ID: <3BE41952.1EEDBE16@usfamily.net> boring email overflow email each other not the list, Brian wrote: > On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Jim Herrick wrote: > > > You know you're a geek when... > > ... you have a DMZ in your house! > > ... you capture "You Know You're A Geek When..." quotes in a MySQL database > > for ease of adminstration. > > ... you send out the same LUG posting using two different addresses, both > subscribed to that LUG. > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sat Nov 3 14:21:51 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] InstallFest Update In-Reply-To: <20011103083811.A14305@fandre.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 3 Nov 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > OK. Vote away!!! > http://www.mn-linux.org/ ahem, the room is not available on the 17th. so please dont vote for that one... -munir > > On Fri, 02 Nov 2001, Mark Browne wrote: > > > Perhaps a signup page / calendar voting page on the TCLUG site? > > > > Mark Browne > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Munir Nassar" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 11:34 AM > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] InstallFest Update > > > > > > Actually i was hoping we could just have a collection at the installfest, > > but my suggestion would be to ask the Tresurer about the money. > > > > next question: when do you propose we have the installfest? Nov. 10th is > > open but there is a big ESL language convention happening so the 24th may > > be a better option > > > > -munir > > > > On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, steve wrote: > > > > > Sounds like a plan to me who do I send the $5 to? > > > > > > Munir Nassar wrote: > > > > > > > Ok , i talked with the classroom scheduler concerning the installfest. > > > > Without a faculty sponser the room will be $75/hour. But i have a > > faculty > > > > member who is willing to support (he is a linux enthusiast) and with his > > > > support we can get the room %50 off. > > > > > > > > Placa C, the room that we may get is open Nov. 10th and Nov 24th (i have > > > > not checked for December) the total would end up to be around $200 and > > if > > > > we passed a hat around no one would end up paying more than $5. Does > > this > > > > sound doable to you people? > > > > > > > > -munir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- From barnabas at knicknack.net Sat Nov 3 14:23:36 2001 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Tripwire error Message-ID: <20011103104149.A1279@knicknack.net> I am running Tripwire version 2.3.0.47 and am getting an error when I try to generate the database. I am using the binary download on a Slackware 8.0 system. When I try to initialize the database (using tripwire --init), I get the messages *** Processing Unix File System *** ### Error### dev ### Exiting... When I comment out the line in the policy file that reads, /dev/pts -> $(SEC_INVARIANT) (recurse = 0) ; I don't get the same message, but I get the same error message on a different directory. In both instances tripwire exits with an exit code of 8. Anyone seen this or have pointers to any documentation? TIA, Eric From jim at bleedpurple.com Sat Nov 3 14:25:34 2001 From: jim at bleedpurple.com (BleedPurpleGuy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Weekend Fun: You Know You're A Geek When... References: Message-ID: <00a901c16487$72f620e0$d129a541@host209> I know. That sucked. Only one appears to be subscribed, though. I checked the "member's" page before I posted... Whaddya do... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian" To: "Twin Cities Linux Users Group" Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Weekend Fun: You Know You're A Geek When... > On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Jim Herrick wrote: > > > You know you're a geek when... > > ... you have a DMZ in your house! > > ... you capture "You Know You're A Geek When..." quotes in a MySQL database > > for ease of adminstration. > > ... you send out the same LUG posting using two different addresses, both > subscribed to that LUG. > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From fertch at mninter.net Sat Nov 3 14:26:57 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Out with ISDN..... Message-ID: <3BE4306F.683018F6@mninter.net> Yes! Qwest called me Friday evening, and I'm now qualified for DSL. So, out with ISDN and in with DSL. Not only am I qualified for it, but I also qualify for the 640 connection! Whoohoo! Let's see: $70 for 128k ISDN line + $45 for ISP + $15 for static IP's = $130 for ISDN alone $82 for 640k DSL line (including 1 phone line and ISP charges) + $15 for static IP's = $97 (Cisco 678 device) Hmm, and the winner is DSL. Though, at times I dislike Qwest, overall I don't mind them. Better than Mcleod and some other companies. Oh, two things of note: I live in Forest Lake (less than 3/4 mile from switching station) so FL'ers check into it now. Also, if you request static IP's you DO NOT have to go through MSN. You will remain a qwest.net ISP user. Now to rebuild box for DSL... Gotta go find Nate's DSL how-to and read up on this. Shawn From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Nov 3 14:28:47 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux and Win2K TOC the same? In-Reply-To: <20011030222123.C2684@real-time.com> References: <20011030222123.C2684@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011103112254.70d2bc42.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Bob Tanner wrote: > > My perspective is Linux is much cheaper then Windows. Even if you pay > for a distro you are starting out ahead. Add the virus resistence, > stability, reliability, and security out of the box. Linux should be > have a better TOC then Win2k. You mean TCO? Total Cost of Ownership? TCO is based largely on how much administration each system requires, and how frequent that administration is. The less stable a system, or the more babysitting it requires (*cough*Oracle*cough*), the greater it's TCO. Probably one big thing that brings up TCO is re-installing. When a Windows box gets flaky, one of the first ideas is that the system should be re-installed. Linux and Unix systems tend to have more developed logging and administrative tools, so problems can be identified and fixed better and hopefully faster (IMHO). For desktop deployments, central administration has got to be a positive for Linux installs. It's a shame they aren't more common. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ !pu dekcuf sreenigne / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ tfosorciM \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's $19.95 but it seems like a fairly good > cause. > > > I think I have asked this before, but is there a way to play quicktime movies > > under Linux? > > > > -- > > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- H. P. Christianson 20 NE Second St. #1005 Minneapolis, MN 55413 (612) 327-6654 hans@friedchicken.org From destef at destef.com Sat Nov 3 14:34:49 2001 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Weekend Fun: You Know You're A Geek When... In-Reply-To: <028601c163f5$e70f6e10$d129a541@host209> Message-ID: <200111031838.fA3Ickq02255@ernie.destef.com> When you have cable *and* DSL and two DMZ's in your house? (for redundancy of course) At 05:27 PM 11/2/01 -0600, you wrote: >You know you're a geek when... >... you have a DMZ in your house! >... you capture "You Know You're A Geek When..." quotes in a MySQL database >for ease of adminstration. > >Any others? I'm sure we've done this before, but I'd LOVE to capture these >in a database... > >Jim > > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Nov 3 18:30:27 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] logging on to a NT domain? In-Reply-To: <200111022302.fA2N2Ec20762@sprite.real-time.com> References: <200111022302.fA2N2Ec20762@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011103152154.6849c76b.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Rodd Ahrenstorff wrote: > > This is my first attempt at networking with LInux. Ok...I have clean > install of Mandrake 8.1 at work. Our NT based LAN uses a DHCP server, > and this serves up the IP address to my Linux client just fine. I can > get out on the internet through our gateway router. However I cannot > browse the network since I cannot login to the PDC. I know I must use > SAMBA. I checked my installed packages and SAMBA client shows up. What exactly are you looking to do here? Do you need to browse the network, or just access the resources on the network? I haven't seen many good browsing tools for Linux, but you can certainly access things if you know what to go for. Also, a new tool (library?) called `winbind' was recently released to allow Linux users to log in using their NT usernames and passwords. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ What's that strange orange / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ glow from our room? Oh, \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) it's the Sun. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <3BE4306F.683018F6@mninter.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 3 Nov 2001, Shawn wrote: > Yes! Qwest called me Friday evening, and I'm now qualified for DSL. > So, out with ISDN and in with DSL. Not only am I qualified for it, but > I also qualify for the 640 connection! Whoohoo! Where do you live? > $70 for 128k ISDN line + $45 for ISP + $15 for static IP's = $130 for > ISDN alone Eh? I pay 30 for isp +15 for static. Nonetheless, I'd still go with DSL given the chance. Andy > Shawn From churchid at visi.com Sat Nov 3 18:37:57 2001 From: churchid at visi.com (Dan Churchill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] InstallFest Update In-Reply-To: <20011103171933.J85113@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: For future reference, instead of a radio-button for choosing only one, it would make better sense in a poll of this nature to have a list of possible dates with checkboxes. Then, people could check all the dates that would work for them, and the winning date would be when the most people could come. If you really wanted to get out of hand, you could have people rank the desirability of the different dates, either by entering a number from 1-5 or by having a radio button group for each date. This would require more work to figure out the best date to choose, though. -Dan -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Thomas Eibner Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 10:20 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] InstallFest Update On Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 08:38:11AM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: > OK. Vote away!!! > http://www.mn-linux.org/ I know I shouldn't pick at the options, but what about a "i don't care" option, for those that actually can show up anytime.. Would be more fair. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sat Nov 3 22:54:26 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDE configure problems - still not working In-Reply-To: Message-ID: funny, i thought i sent this to the kde list... but i suppose any help would be appreciated -munir On Sat, 3 Nov 2001, Munir Nassar wrote: > about a week ago i asked about compiling KDE from source and i was told > that using GCC3.0 was a bad idea, so i got gcc 2.95.3 and i am still > having the exact same problem, it seems that the configure script is > trying to compile some qt include header and is failing > > so what is the recommended version of Qt to use with the best recommended > compiler to get KDE to work? > > the latest output using GCC 2.95.3 is at: > www.redconcepts.net/~nassarmu/config.log-gcc2.95.3 > and the old one, using GCC3.0: > www.redconcepts.net/~nassarmu/config.log-gcc3.0 > here are the configure options i used: > > --with-ssl-dir=/usr/local/ssl --with-qt-dir=/usr/lib/qt2 > > -munir > -- From chrome at real-time.com Sat Nov 3 22:57:17 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP Best practices In-Reply-To: <20011102155121.D3791@wookimus.net>; from chewie@wookimus.net on Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 03:51:21PM -0600 References: <3BE2CA38.5080901@sodatrain.com> <20011102155121.D3791@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20011103190903.B12310@real-time.com> > Force your users to use sftp or scp to move their files about. If you > want to be really paranoid, run your ftp daemon in a chroot and use the > Linux 2.4 feature of multi-mount binding of directories. E.g. > > bash$ sudo mount --bind /home/ftp/pub /var/chroot/ftpd/pub > bash$ sudo chroot /var/chroot/ftpd /etc/init.d/wuftpd start what's the benefit of multi-mount binding in this case? Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Sat Nov 3 22:58:25 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Partition sizes? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011102160258.01636ba8@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>; from PCZeilon@att.net on Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 04:03:00PM -0600 References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011102160258.01636ba8@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <20011103191541.C12310@real-time.com> > I'm going to do a fresh install of Mandrake 8.1 on a dual boot system with > WinXP. I've read that making a 7mg /boot partition makes it easy to use > the Windows boot.ini file to choose operating systems. you don't need that, with recent versions of LILO, and a BIOS made in the last few years. the way it works (if I remember correctly..) is that you make your / partition the location of the linux MBR; then use dd to take the first 512 bytes of that, and make your boot file from it. so basically: dd if=/dev/hda2 of=linboot.img bs=512 count=1 then copy the resulting 512-byte linboot.img file to your windows partition, and add an entry in your boot.ini file for it. I seem to remember actually doing this myself, at some point; and it was really simple and quick to do. at that point, Linux becomes one of the options on your (NT|w2k|xp) boot menu. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Sat Nov 3 22:59:56 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Freebsd lovin' In-Reply-To: <20011102203611.627bcf98.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 08:36:11PM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0C3@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20011102203611.627bcf98.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011103192011.D12310@real-time.com> > > Hitler! http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/legends/godwin/ > > Oh sheesh. Can we at least agree to find a few other dead dictators and > freaks of history to pick on? Constantine! (Bastard who burned down the Library at Alexandria, thus losing much of the accumulated knowlege of the ancient world. Hitler exterminated people; Constantine exterminated *knowlege*). Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Sat Nov 3 23:01:07 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Freebsd lovin' In-Reply-To: <003a01c163f8$aed94b80$1e02a8c0@zippy>; from markbrowne@mn.mediaone.net on Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 05:47:02PM -0600 References: <003a01c163f8$aed94b80$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: <20011103193318.E12310@real-time.com> > I just came back from looking as OS X at MEI. > Its looks great, seems to work great and has bunches of apps. > > Please set flames to low - I am just looking for the big picture here... > Can I run Linux stuff on this somehow? supposedly console stuff should work reasonably well (running in term windows). it's probably about as POSIX-compliant as many commercial unices. > Will X apps work with this somehow? you'll need an X server; even if you're running X on it. X can't grab the screen, since OSX's own display system controls that. Some applications have been ported to the native OSX display system, tho. > I know, I could dig on the net and work this out but I am just looking for a > quick Y/n? the overall answer is 'Sorta kinda sometimes'. My take on OSX is that technologically, it's wrongheaded. The display system beats everything that other unices have; but they put in on top of their own bastardized *NIX, for the sake of backwards compatibility with old Mac apps. it would be a lot better if the display system were ported to *BSD and linux, and generalized to allow different window managers, etc. from a marketing standpoint tho; it's a great idea. it has the backwards compatibility, so everyone's old favorite office applications will still run (and the updated versions will run natively); but it has forwards compatibility with the freenixes, for when we take over the world. :) once companies port their applications to run natively on OSX (and who doubts that Adobe will make Photoshop run on OSX?); it's not that far from there to the freenixes. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Sat Nov 3 23:05:20 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cute Linux cartoons from IBM Message-ID: <20011103200557.F12310@real-time.com> requires Flash :( but are very amusing. :) http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/linux/fun/index.html?c=eserver&n=linuxfun_callout_zseries&t=advertise# Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From jim at herrick.net Sat Nov 3 23:07:50 2001 From: jim at herrick.net (Jim Herrick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Out with ISDN..... References: Message-ID: <018101c164da$da1e6e00$d129a541@host209> Andy, We're you formerly "close" to qualifying for DSL and finally "became" qualified? Did you move? Did you sign up for a list of newly qualifying people in your service area? What is your "qualifying area"? BTW, I currently have IDSL (with Real-Time as my ISP providing a GREAT TCLUG discount!!!) and would someday like to qualify for "nice" DSL ( > 144 Kbps ) !!! Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "TC-lug list" Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Out with ISDN..... > On Sat, 3 Nov 2001, Shawn wrote: > > > Yes! Qwest called me Friday evening, and I'm now qualified for DSL. > > So, out with ISDN and in with DSL. Not only am I qualified for it, but > > I also qualify for the 640 connection! Whoohoo! > > Where do you live? > > > > $70 for 128k ISDN line + $45 for ISP + $15 for static IP's = $130 for > > ISDN alone > > Eh? > I pay 30 for isp +15 for static. > > Nonetheless, I'd still go with DSL given the chance. > > Andy > > > > Shawn > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Nov 3 23:09:22 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The joy of authentication... Message-ID: <20011103205600.2e758d7c.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Continuing a side track started in today's meeting... Could someone explain in a step-by-step manner, how Kerberos authentication works? No need to be too long. People mention a lot of jargon, talk about tickets and such, but how do users get them in the first place? It took me forever to understand how RADIUS worked, since everyone just says `we use RADIUS,' and leave it at that. I'm having similar problems with Kerberos.. I was very unimpressed when I saw it in (in)action while implementing a firewall for wireless access where I work. First, it took forever for me to actually get access to the RADIUS server. The IP address of our firewall had to be allowed in, and we were given a shared secret key used for encrypting traffic. Both the client and the server use the same key. I guess we were at least given a unique key, so no other IP address could use the same secret and get away with it. However, RADIUS is a UDP protocol, and is probably a lot easier to spoof than most authentication methods out there. From what I saw, the client sends one packet out containing the username (plaintext) and the password (encrypted). A packet is supposed to come back from the server, saying whether the user was authenticated or not (not sure if that packet has to be encrypted or not -- I hope so). Due to some problem as yet unknown, that packet never made it back to my firewall. Anyway, in the course of solving the RADIUS problems, I was informed of the University's cookieauth system [http://www1.umn.edu/cookieauth/], which seemed useless at first glance (it uses web cookies! Eww!). However, it makes me think about how authentication systems could be improved. When using RADIUS, the system you log into has to have your password in plaintext, if only briefly. If that host were compromised, it would be pretty easy to get your password. The nice thing about cookieauth is that I don't have to care about the user's password at all. If a connecting web browser doesn't have a cookie, or the cookie's out of date, the connection gets forwarded to https://www.umn.edu/login -- a secure web page -- where the user is asked to login. If they get authenticated, a cookie is sent to the browser and the browser is redirected back to where it was originally connecting. Again, the web server checks for a cookie. Now that it's there, the cookie is sent off by the web server to a TCP port (either plaintext or SSL) on x500.umn.edu. If the cookie is valid, the user can be considered to be authenticated. The data returned also contains the username, and the IP address of the user's system, which the web server should verify. The two joyful things for me were that I didn't have to ask anyone to use that service, and that it was extremely easy to implement. I was using a PHP web page, and it took me less than two hours to get it going. PHP doesn't seem to make SSL socket connections very easy, but for the time being, sending the cookie to be verified in plaintext works like a charm. I suspect this is pretty similar to how Kerberos works, but you guys will have to enlighten me on that one. The whole point here is that it's possible to get authentication working with untrusted systems by forwarding the actual authentication to somewhere else and using things like cookies or tickets. Sorry, this is more than I thought I'd write. I hope it's readable and understandable.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Error: Brainwaves received / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ in analog. Please re-think \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) in digital. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20011103152154.6849c76b.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: Maybe I don't fully understand your terminology...I need to browse the network to access printers attached locally to client machines and to share files etc... I don't need access to resources provided by the network servers (print server, exchange server, etc...). I am reading info on SAMBA, but I find allot of conflicting data concerning the config file. This may be due to my confusion over different versions or the many different physical network configurations. I have heard of winbind, but did not know it's exact purpose. I'll check into that. When I try to view the network from the "Network Neighborhood" in Konqueror I get the error "Unable to connect to network". Is this error the result of not being able to login with an authorized NT account (as would occur with Win9x/NT/Win2k client) or because my SAMBA config file simply is not aware of an existing network? I hope I made that clear! I appreciate your help...this really is quite fun (and challenging). -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Mike Hicks Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 3:22 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] logging on to a NT domain? Rodd Ahrenstorff wrote: > > This is my first attempt at networking with LInux. Ok...I have clean > install of Mandrake 8.1 at work. Our NT based LAN uses a DHCP server, > and this serves up the IP address to my Linux client just fine. I can > get out on the internet through our gateway router. However I cannot > browse the network since I cannot login to the PDC. I know I must use > SAMBA. I checked my installed packages and SAMBA client shows up. What exactly are you looking to do here? Do you need to browse the network, or just access the resources on the network? I haven't seen many good browsing tools for Linux, but you can certainly access things if you know what to go for. Also, a new tool (library?) called `winbind' was recently released to allow Linux users to log in using their NT usernames and passwords. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ What's that strange orange / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ glow from our room? Oh, \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) it's the Sun. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From tanner at real-time.com Sun Nov 4 06:19:22 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Quicktime and Linux? In-Reply-To: <1004757474.19557.108.camel@localhost.localdomain>; from bradyh@bitstream.net on Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 09:17:53PM -0600 References: <20011102180822.C25388@real-time.com> <1004757474.19557.108.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20011103232817.A23596@real-time.com> Quoting Brady Hegberg (bradyh@bitstream.net): > http://store.yahoo.com/codeweavers-wine/index.html > > You mean besides this? It's $19.95 but it seems like a fairly good > cause. How well does this work? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Sun Nov 4 06:21:05 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Quicktime and Linux? In-Reply-To: ; from zibby+tclug@ringworld.org on Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 02:37:41AM -0600 References: <1004757474.19557.108.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20011103232911.B23596@real-time.com> Quoting Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) (zibby+tclug@ringworld.org): > You can use Codeweaver's Crossover plugin to run the Windows version of > Quicktime as a plugin to your favorite browser. Works well enough for > apple.com/trailers. The $20 was worth it, IMHO. Get this to work with mozilla-0.9.5? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Sun Nov 4 06:23:23 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Poison Links for spambots? Message-ID: <20011104001839.K23596@real-time.com> Anyone remember seeing an article on slashdot or linux today about poisoning links to keep the spambots out of your websites, thus preventing trolling for email addresses? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From sextus at visi.com Sun Nov 4 06:25:40 2001 From: sextus at visi.com (Michael Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: scroll burnings In-Reply-To: <20011103192011.D12310@real-time.com>; from Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom on Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 07:20:11PM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0C3@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20011102203611.627bcf98.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20011103192011.D12310@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011104011648.A22116@visi.com> ON Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 07:20:11PM -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > Hitler! http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/legends/godwin/ > > > > Oh sheesh. Can we at least agree to find a few other dead dictators and > > freaks of history to pick on? > > Constantine! (Bastard who burned down the Library at Alexandria, thus losing > much of the accumulated knowlege of the ancient world. Hitler exterminated > people; Constantine exterminated *knowlege*). I seem to recall that library being knocked over repeatedly. The consensus on Google is that the library at Alexandria was burned, maybe accidentally, in a tactical harbor fire under Julius Caesar in 48BCE, sacked by Christian zealots under the emperor Theodosius in 391CE, and whatever was left was looted or destroyed by Muslim invaders in 640CE. -- Michael From seg at haxxed.mine.nu Sun Nov 4 06:28:18 2001 From: seg at haxxed.mine.nu (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cute Linux cartoons from IBM References: <20011103200557.F12310@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3BE4FBEC.6070802@haxxed.mine.nu> Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > requires Flash :( > but are very amusing. :) > > http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/linux/fun/index.html?c=eserver&n=linuxfun_callout_zseries&t=advertise# > > Carl Soderstrom > Also requires javascript popups for the damned links. I have them shut off in Mozilla. Anyone know a way to easily turn them on and off while its running? Some XUL voodoo? Also, anyone know the magic incantation to turn of right click binding in JS? From tanner at real-time.com Sun Nov 4 06:29:27 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] List of known email harvesting robots? Message-ID: <20011104023946.Q23596@real-time.com> Anyone know of a (black)list of robots that harvest email addresses? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From florin at iucha.net Sun Nov 4 10:20:39 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Partition sizes? In-Reply-To: <20011103191541.C12310@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 07:15:41PM -0600 References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011102160258.01636ba8@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> <20011103191541.C12310@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011104071753.A10263@beaver.iucha.org> On Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 07:15:41PM -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > I'm going to do a fresh install of Mandrake 8.1 on a dual boot system with > > WinXP. I've read that making a 7mg /boot partition makes it easy to use > > the Windows boot.ini file to choose operating systems. > > you don't need that, with recent versions of LILO, and a BIOS made in the > last few years. > the way it works (if I remember correctly..) is that you make your / > partition the location of the linux MBR; then use dd to take the first 512 > bytes of that, and make your boot file from it. > so basically: > dd if=/dev/hda2 of=linboot.img bs=512 count=1 > then copy the resulting 512-byte linboot.img file to your windows partition, > and add an entry in your boot.ini file for it. I seem to remember actually > doing this myself, at some point; and it was really simple and quick to do. > > at that point, Linux becomes one of the options on your (NT|w2k|xp) boot > menu. That of course depends on what os you boot mostly from. I "migrated" my wife to Linux with two things: I showed her that a locked-up browser need not to take down the whole box and I put the default boot option to "Linux", so "Enter" or "wait" meant Linux... or another reboot. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(Bastard who burned down the Library at Alexandria, thus losing > much of the accumulated knowlege of the ancient world. Hitler exterminated > people; Constantine exterminated *knowlege*). Is *knowledge* more important than people? I will kill you, if that's the only way to find out... Let's get another opinion: Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not music. Music is the best. - Frank Zappa Cheers, florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If they get > authenticated, a cookie is sent to the browser and the browser is > redirected back to where it was originally connecting. > > Again, the web server checks for a cookie. Now that it's there, the > cookie is sent off by the web server to a TCP port (either plaintext or > SSL) on x500.umn.edu. If the cookie is valid, the user can be considered > to be authenticated. The data returned also contains the username, and > the IP address of the user's system, which the web server should verify. > > The two joyful things for me were that I didn't have to ask anyone to use > that service, and that it was extremely easy to implement. I was using a > PHP web page, and it took me less than two hours to get it going. PHP > doesn't seem to make SSL socket connections very easy, but for the time > being, sending the cookie to be verified in plaintext works like a charm. A cookie? Now that's something easy to spoof... > I suspect this is pretty similar to how Kerberos works, but you guys will > have to enlighten me on that one. The whole point here is that it's > possible to get authentication working with untrusted systems by > forwarding the actual authentication to somewhere else and using things > like cookies or tickets. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20011104001839.K23596@real-time.com>; from Bob Tanner on Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 12:18:39AM -0600 References: <20011104001839.K23596@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011104092716.A7257@visi.com> ON Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 12:18:39AM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > Anyone remember seeing an article on slashdot or linux today about poisoning > links to keep the spambots out of your websites, thus preventing trolling for > email addresses? This might be what you're looking for: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/11/23/162232&mode=nested -- Michael From josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org Sun Nov 4 10:34:12 2001 From: josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Poison Links for spambots? In-Reply-To: <20011104001839.K23596@real-time.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Yes, it was in the Apache section right on the front page last time I looked. Joshua b. Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 http://www.greentechnologist.org On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Anyone remember seeing an article on slashdot or linux today about poisoning > links to keep the spambots out of your websites, thus preventing trolling for > email addresses? > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE75WQhfexLsowstzcRAu+eAKDMuKbKPIc2k9/I7HMAM1vzgpparwCfTqMn xodTDbrG9SWvo9SQ9Db/WNE= =+4nI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sun Nov 4 10:43:07 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache error logs In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE09F@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: One thing this has tought me is that i should keep better track of my logs, it is not fun having to go through 500k of logfile... -munir On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > attack back? :) These are probably compromised boxes (nimda or code red). > You could find the admins of the boxes and tell them, or just ignore it. > > It's probably not going to accomplish anything by reporting it though. Just > take pride in the fact that they haven't gained access to your box. :) > > Jay > > -----Original Message----- > From: Munir Nassar [mailto:nassarmu@redconcepts.net] > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 8:37 PM > To: Twin Cities Linux User Group > Subject: [TCLUG] Apache error logs > > > For a couple of days now i have been getting wierd errors in my Apache > logs, mostly people doing a GET /dir/cmd.exe, or root.exe > > don't these people check the server strings? I may be inexperienced but i > am not brain dead enough to run IIS. or just even plain windows. > > but most importantly: should i report the IPs to someone? (i have about 10 > different IPs so far) is there anything in particular i should do about > this? > > -munir > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From fertch at mninter.net Sun Nov 4 14:50:10 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Out with ISDN..... References: Message-ID: <3BE58800.622933F5@mninter.net> My pricing might be a bit off, but still it's about a $50 a month savings. Not to mention going from 128k to 640k connections. I live in Forest Lake. Shawn andy@theasis.com wrote: > On Sat, 3 Nov 2001, Shawn wrote: > > > Yes! Qwest called me Friday evening, and I'm now qualified for DSL. > > So, out with ISDN and in with DSL. Not only am I qualified for it, but > > I also qualify for the 640 connection! Whoohoo! > > Where do you live? > > > $70 for 128k ISDN line + $45 for ISP + $15 for static IP's = $130 for > > ISDN alone > > Eh? > I pay 30 for isp +15 for static. > > Nonetheless, I'd still go with DSL given the chance. > > Andy From shorejsi at skypoint.com Sun Nov 4 14:57:11 2001 From: shorejsi at skypoint.com (Steve Horejsi) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] logging on to a NT domain? References: <200111022302.fA2N2Ec20762@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <3BE58342.3080905@skypoint.com> Rodd; If your main goal is to browse the NT network and mount shares to your Linux workstation, you might want to try LinNeighborhood: http://freshmeat.net/projects/linneighborhood/homepage/ It's old, a bit buggy, hasn't been updated in a while, and is far from refined but it does work. From a Samba point of view, all you should really need is 'smbmount' which lets you mount an NT share to your directory tree. (Try doing an 'smbmount' without any parameters and it should give you enough help to get you started.) -=[ Steve ]=- Rodd Ahrenstorff wrote: > This is my first attempt at networking with LInux. Ok...I have clean install > of Mandrake 8.1 at work. Our NT based LAN uses a DHCP server, and this > serves up the IP address to my Linux client just fine. I can get out on the > internet through our gateway router. However I cannot browse the network > since I cannot login to the PDC. I know I must use SAMBA. I checked my > installed packages and SAMBA client shows up. > > Questions: > 1. I do not know exactly what changes I need to make in the smb.config file > to get access working. > > 2. How do I get SAMB running or check to see if it's already running? TOPS? > > Thanks for your help > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > . > > From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sun Nov 4 15:00:33 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: The joy of authentication... In-Reply-To: <20011104072836.C10263@beaver.iucha.org> References: <20011103205600.2e758d7c.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20011104072836.C10263@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20011104121215.I16600@ringworld.org> * Florin Iucha [011104 10:27]: > A cookie? Now that's something easy to spoof... Howso? Spoof from where? The same machine? Did you even read the damn protocol? -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Just say NO to Product Activation! From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sun Nov 4 15:02:31 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: The joy of authentication... In-Reply-To: <20011103205600.2e758d7c.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> References: <20011103205600.2e758d7c.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011104121757.J16600@ringworld.org> * Mike Hicks [011103 23:10]: > Could someone explain in a step-by-step manner, how Kerberos > authentication works? No need to be too long. People mention a lot of I would snag a copy of Kerberos: A Network Authentication System by Brian Tung. Its not a thick book, but has information for users, admins, and developers in a nice format. isbn 0-201-37924-4. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Just say NO to Product Activation! From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sun Nov 4 15:03:37 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: The joy of authentication... In-Reply-To: <20011103205600.2e758d7c.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> References: <20011103205600.2e758d7c.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011104122030.K16600@ringworld.org> * Mike Hicks [011103 23:10]: > Could someone explain in a step-by-step manner, how Kerberos http://www.isi.edu/~brian/security/kerberos.html Thats also by the author of the book. "The Moron's Guide to Kerberos" -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Just say NO to Product Activation! From fish at slava.net Sun Nov 4 15:15:57 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] stuck in windows hell References: <20011103200557.F12310@real-time.com> <3BE4FBEC.6070802@haxxed.mine.nu> Message-ID: <3BE58FCB.8F08D759@slava.net> Anyone miss me? In all my wisdom, I didn't back up my .muttrc and now I don't remember what I put in it. Exim is not configured right and I don't know what to do with it. So now I am in Windows using Netscape until someone more clever than I can fix it. I just downloaded over 1000 emails, and I admit I did not read them all, but here are my responses to what I did read and remember. 1) I reinstalled WinME instead of 95. 2) Clearly everyone was right: I should have gone with Mandrake instead because I can't get anything to work in Debian. 3) I don't have any Algebra texts, but congrats to Ursula for getting into the program! :) 4) Those were cute cartoons on the IBM site. 5) I grew up in the south and I can't stand "y'all" but what I can't stand even more is when people misspell it "ya'll." In my opinion, a separate "you" for plural and singular is not necessary. It isn't any more confusing than saying "we" ("we" may or may not include "you") but no one complains about that. I think it's funny that someone tried to use "y'all" in the singular. hehe The following sentence is completely off topic, and can be ignored by any who give a flying frog fart about that sort of thing. If any of you have aquariums and would like some free fish, let me know because my long-finned zebra danios just spawned and I can't keep most of the new babies. Lorry From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Sun Nov 4 19:20:10 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Quicktime and Linux? In-Reply-To: <20011103232911.B23596@real-time.com> Message-ID: It works pretty well as long as it's used as a plugin. I haven't had much luck with launching quicktime as a standalone wine app with it. But it plays everything from apple.com/trailers wonderfully. And yes, I have gotten it working in mozilla-0.9.5. I have a local install of mozilla in my home directory, not a system wide mozilla install. (as mozilla doens't support ~/.netscape/plugins or ~/.mozilla/blah/$USER/plugins. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "OK, I've just about had my FILL of riddle-asking, quest assigning, insult throwing, pun hurling, hostage taking, iron mongering, smart arsed fools, freaks, and felons that continually test my will, mettle, strength, intelligence, and most of all, patience! If you've got a straight answer ANYWHERE in that bent little head of yours, I want to hear it pretty damn quick or I'm going to take a large blunt object roughly the size of Elminster AND his hat, and stuff it lengthwise into a crevice of your being so seldom seen that even the denziens of the nine hells wouldn't touch it with a twenty-foot rusty halberd! Have I MADE myself perfectly CLEAR?!" --PC to Portalbendarwinden From tmechanic at mn.mediaone.net Sun Nov 4 19:22:47 2001 From: tmechanic at mn.mediaone.net (B T) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] stuck in windows hell References: <20011103200557.F12310@real-time.com> <3BE4FBEC.6070802@haxxed.mine.nu> <3BE58FCB.8F08D759@slava.net> Message-ID: <3BE5C936.4C9C779E@mn.mediaone.net> I feel for you Lorry, stuck in DE with the company computer win nt. FEH! From tanner at real-time.com Sun Nov 4 19:26:26 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Special .sig when send email address to the list? Message-ID: <20011104172257.M23596@real-time.com> I can't seem to find the post that someone did dealing with hooks into mutt to change your .sig when you post to the lug. Whoever that was, care to repost? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tl at assimilated.org Sun Nov 4 19:30:56 2001 From: tl at assimilated.org (Tim Lupfer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] stuck in windows hell In-Reply-To: <3BE58FCB.8F08D759@slava.net>; from fish@slava.net on Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 12:58:19PM -0600 References: <20011103200557.F12310@real-time.com> <3BE4FBEC.6070802@haxxed.mine.nu> <3BE58FCB.8F08D759@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011104181545.A1688@assimilated.org> >>>>> Lorry [Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 12:58:19PM -0600]: > Anyone miss me? no^H^Hof course! > 5) I grew up in the south and I can't stand "y'all" but what I can't > stand even more is when people misspell it "ya'll." In my opinion, a > separate "you" for plural and singular is not necessary. It isn't any > more confusing than saying "we" ("we" may or may not include "you") but > no one complains about that. I think it's funny that someone tried to > use "y'all" in the singular. hehe I would argue that it's "yall", as the apostrophe is well beyond the scope of the typical southern person. -- timothy r. lupfer tl@assimilated.org Familiarity breeds contempt--and children. -- Mark Twain From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Nov 5 00:03:10 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache error logs Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0CD@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > One thing this has tought me is that i should keep better track of my > logs, it is not fun having to go through 500k of logfile... That's nothing, imagine 90GB... Per day. Now, even worse, imagine trying to find a way to analyze this. Maybe someone should hack Analog so it works on a beowulf cluster, and give it fun path analysis stuff. I'll buy whoever does this a case of beer and they can have my potato cannon. :) Jay > > -munir > > On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > attack back? :) These are probably compromised boxes > (nimda or code red). > > You could find the admins of the boxes and tell them, or > just ignore it. > > > > It's probably not going to accomplish anything by reporting > it though. Just > > take pride in the fact that they haven't gained access to > your box. :) > > > > Jay > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Munir Nassar [mailto:nassarmu@redconcepts.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 8:37 PM > > To: Twin Cities Linux User Group > > Subject: [TCLUG] Apache error logs > > > > > > For a couple of days now i have been getting wierd errors > in my Apache > > logs, mostly people doing a GET /dir/cmd.exe, or root.exe > > > > don't these people check the server strings? I may be > inexperienced but i > > am not brain dead enough to run IIS. or just even plain windows. > > > > but most importantly: should i report the IPs to someone? > (i have about 10 > > different IPs so far) is there anything in particular i > should do about > > this? > > > > -munir > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From PCZeilon at att.net Mon Nov 5 00:05:07 2001 From: PCZeilon at att.net (Carl & Paula Zeilon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Partition sizes? In-Reply-To: <200111042044.fA4KiFc18511@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011104190752.015fec70@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Thanks Carl, that's pretty close to the command I read about. (dd if=/dev/hda[x] bs=512 count=1 of=linux.lnx) This should work with GRUB as well, correct? LILO doesn't seem to like the fact that I'm booting from a hard drive on a Promise controller. My boot sector would thus be hde6. Sorry Florin, I am booting XP by default, my wife is not as understanding as yours :-) What do you suggest for a swap partition size with 512mg of system memory? At 02:44 PM 11/4/2001, you wrote: > > I'm going to do a fresh install of Mandrake 8.1 on a dual boot system with > > WinXP. I've read that making a 7mg /boot partition makes it easy to use > > the Windows boot.ini file to choose operating systems. > >you don't need that, with recent versions of LILO, and a BIOS made in the >last few years. >the way it works (if I remember correctly..) is that you make your / >partition the location of the linux MBR; then use dd to take the first 512 >bytes of that, and make your boot file from it. >so basically: >dd if=/dev/hda2 of=linboot.img bs=512 count=1 >then copy the resulting 512-byte linboot.img file to your windows partition, >and add an entry in your boot.ini file for it. I seem to remember actually >doing this myself, at some point; and it was really simple and quick to do. > >at that point, Linux becomes one of the options on your (NT|w2k|xp) boot >menu. > >Carl Soderstrom >-- From drake+tclug at lemongecko.org Mon Nov 5 00:06:51 2001 From: drake+tclug at lemongecko.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Special .sig when send email address to the list? In-Reply-To: <20011104172257.M23596@real-time.com> References: <20011104172257.M23596@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011104194528.A11660@lemongecko.org> On Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 05:22PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > I can't seem to find the post that someone did dealing with hooks into mutt to > change your .sig when you post to the lug. I use: send-hook '~t tclug.*@mn-linux.org' my_hdr From: Dan Drake send-hook '~t tclug.*@mn-linux.org' set signature="~/.signature-tclug" (two lines). There might be something else you need, but I'm pretty sure that will do it. Dan -- | 4699 BDCB B1A5 28B6 7F8A F8DF EB6A BC2A B0A1 99BF (GPG) | Dan Drake | http://lemongecko.org/drake/ | public key: email -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011105/eae86f50/attachment.pgp From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Nov 5 00:12:45 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Quicktime and Linux? In-Reply-To: References: <20011103232911.B23596@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011104204512.L16600@ringworld.org> * Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) [011104 19:22]: > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org > "OK, I've just about had my FILL of riddle-asking, Duuuuuuuude. Trim your sig. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Just say NO to Product Activation! From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Nov 5 00:13:52 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Special .sig when send email address to the list? In-Reply-To: <20011104172257.M23596@real-time.com> References: <20011104172257.M23596@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011104204622.M16600@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [011104 19:27]: > I can't seem to find the post that someone did dealing with hooks into mutt to > change your .sig when you post to the lug. > > Whoever that was, care to repost? Like this: send-hook @.*umn.edu "set signature=~/.sig-umn" Just make it like send-hook tclug-list@mn-linux.org "set signature=~/.sig-tclug" -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Just say NO to Product Activation! From jpschewe at mtu.net Mon Nov 5 00:20:55 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Share audio under linux? Message-ID: So I'm playing music with RealAudio and I'm surfing at the same time. I hit a site that has flash on it, which apparently wants to make some noise. Instead of blending the sounds or flash just skipping the music, my browser locks up and waits till I hit stop on RealAudio. I've tried this under both Konqueror and Netscape with the same results. Anyone know of a way to fix this? -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Mon Nov 5 00:23:47 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Special .sig when send email address to the list? In-Reply-To: <20011104172257.M23596@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 05:22:57PM -0600 References: <20011104172257.M23596@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011104213709.A17742@trammell.dyndns.org> On Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 05:22:57PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > I can't seem to find the post that someone did dealing with hooks into mutt to > change your .sig when you post to the lug. > > Whoever that was, care to repost? > Don't know who it was either, but here's the line from my .muttrc: send-hook "~t tclug.*@mn-linux.org" set signature="~/.signature.tclug" -- johntrammell@yahoo.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you've got a straight answer ANYWHERE > in that bent little head of yours, I want to hear > it pretty damn quick or I'm going to take a large > blunt object roughly the size of Elminster AND his > hat, and stuff it lengthwise into a crevice of your > being so seldom seen that even the denziens of the > nine hells wouldn't touch it with a twenty-foot > rusty halberd! Have I MADE myself perfectly CLEAR?!" No! Uh... what was that again? florin [signature-size-officer-on-duty] -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I would then punch in couple of numbers as a password, which would instruct the computer to first disconnect the line, wait a couple of seconds for the line to clear (the modem doesn't seem to disconnect instantaneously, at least with PPP), then dial-up my ISP, wait until it connects, and then on connect it would email me the dynamic ip for me to connect to. Has anyone done something like this or know where I can find out how to do it? TIA, :Peter From mbutler2 at mmm.com Mon Nov 5 00:33:11 2001 From: mbutler2 at mmm.com (mbutler2@mmm.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Freebsd lovin' Message-ID: > My take on OSX is that technologically, it's wrongheaded. The >display system beats everything that other unices have; but they put in on >top of their own bastardized *NIX, for the sake of backwards compatibility >with old Mac apps. it would be a lot better if the display system were >ported to *BSD and linux, and generalized to allow different window >managers, etc. > from a marketing standpoint tho; it's a great idea. it has the >backwards compatibility, so everyone's old favorite office applications will >still run (and the updated versions will run natively); but it has forwards >compatibility with the freenixes, for when we take over the world. :) > once companies port their applications to run natively on OSX (and >who doubts that Adobe will make Photoshop run on OSX?); it's not that far >from there to the freenixes. Just a couple of quick questions/ideas... I thought that OS X was mach kernel based, making it a lightweight derivative of a BSD kernel, is that right? It *should* run a number of things unix-y, but not exactly as expected if you are rolling your own (compiling), correct? There are a lot of apps out for it, but they are at different points in the porting process Apple has put together. There appear to be three levels of OS X compliance, if I remember there is carbon, a full OS X port of an app., and there is coco, which is a half and half of come sort, and there is the standard (forgot the name, but it most likely starts with a "kuh" sound), these are apps that run in the OS9 instance within a window on your OS X desktop. I agree with most of what Carl is saying here, except that most of the people on this list are looking at this as a foray into unix for Apple, whereas a lot of the Mac Heads I know see this as Apple integrating some parts of a good operating system (unix, in their minds), into a better OS (Apple, obviously), to make the ultmiate computer OS (yeah, as much as teh G4 cube was the ultimate desktop, don't start that)... Apple has glitz, glamour, and an excellent design team, and their end focus is the desktop. Who hasn't had a Mac that just froze EVERYTIME you wanted to put that last filter in? Or when you were just about to download that wicked new MP3? So, Apple, following a good design concept, asked whay should they re-invent the wheel? What OS is extremely stable, allows for a lot of what is said to be lacking in our current OS, and is pretty much free to develop, aaannndd... we can make mods to it and keep them proprietary? Why there has GOT to be a unix variant out there that'll do that... and so, there was. I agree with what Apple has done, they've made an excellent system, it is very stable and usable, and pretty as all get out. Aqua (the display manager for OS X), is gorgeous, I think Apple still has a ways to go before they get their desktop faithful to the new church on time, but it is an immensely impressive start. I don't think anyone does things the way Apple does, and they are amazing at what they do, but I do disagree with some of the design. For instance, the networking relies upon Netinfo, this is a strange thing to me, perhaps someone else knows it, but I am somewhat lost in it's usability. It's just not for me, it also won't work with NIS, and while I may think this is actually a *good* thing, it decreases the usability. Aside from Netinfo and the lack of an X server and the ability to host that wicked desktop on mt BSD box, it's a great OS, but I think Apple has some ground to cover before it is seamless to the desktop users. They made the right choice making it a server offering first, but you know where it's headed, and if it gets to the desktop in time (some would say time is well past for Apple), they may have a market revolution going. Allright, I'll step aside now and take my whipping, thanks for listening, have a good day, mbutler From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Nov 5 00:34:22 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] stuck in windows hell Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0D0@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > > 5) I grew up in the south and I can't stand "y'all" but what I can't > > stand even more is when people misspell it "ya'll." In my > opinion, a > > separate "you" for plural and singular is not necessary. > It isn't any > > more confusing than saying "we" ("we" may or may not > include "you") but > > no one complains about that. I think it's funny that > someone tried to > > use "y'all" in the singular. hehe Speaking of y'all, and southerners... What's the most common thing said by a southerner before he dies? Hey y'all, watch this... From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Nov 5 00:36:39 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Weekend Fun: You Know You're A Geek When... Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0D1@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Your computer equipment is worth more than your car. WAY more than your car. When you have a network jack in your bathroom. You can't fall asleep without the fan noise from at least 3 computers. When you write a perl script to replace co-workers that you hate. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason DeStefano [mailto:destef@destef.com] > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 12:40 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Weekend Fun: You Know You're A Geek When... > > > When you have cable *and* DSL and two DMZ's in your house? > (for redundancy of course) > > > At 05:27 PM 11/2/01 -0600, you wrote: > >You know you're a geek when... > >... you have a DMZ in your house! > >... you capture "You Know You're A Geek When..." quotes in a > MySQL database > >for ease of adminstration. > > > >Any others? I'm sure we've done this before, but I'd LOVE > to capture these > >in a database... > > > >Jim > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > >http://www.mn-linux.org > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Nov 5 00:37:52 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] logging on to a NT domain? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0D2@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> A better one would probably be xsmbrowser from: http://www.icewalk.com/softlib/app/app_00312.html > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Horejsi [mailto:shorejsi@skypoint.com] > Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 12:05 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] logging on to a NT domain? > > > Rodd; > > If your main goal is to browse the NT network and mount > shares to your > Linux workstation, you might want to try LinNeighborhood: > > http://freshmeat.net/projects/linneighborhood/homepage/ > > It's old, a bit buggy, hasn't been updated in a while, and > is far from > refined but it does work. From a Samba point of view, all you should > really need is 'smbmount' which lets you mount an NT share to your > directory tree. (Try doing an 'smbmount' without any > parameters and it > should give you enough help to get you started.) > > > -=[ Steve ]=- > > > > Rodd Ahrenstorff wrote: > > > This is my first attempt at networking with LInux. Ok...I > have clean install > > of Mandrake 8.1 at work. Our NT based LAN uses a DHCP > server, and this > > serves up the IP address to my Linux client just fine. I > can get out on the > > internet through our gateway router. However I cannot > browse the network > > since I cannot login to the PDC. I know I must use SAMBA. > I checked my > > installed packages and SAMBA client shows up. > > > > Questions: > > 1. I do not know exactly what changes I need to make in > the smb.config file > > to get access working. > > > > 2. How do I get SAMB running or check to see if it's > already running? TOPS? > > > > Thanks for your help > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > . > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Mon Nov 5 04:33:15 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Weekend Fun: You Know You're A Geek When... In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0D1@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > When you have a network jack in your bathroom. i am hopeless, i actually said "oooh" when i read this one... -munir > > You can't fall asleep without the fan noise from at least 3 computers. > > When you write a perl script to replace co-workers that you hate. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jason DeStefano [mailto:destef@destef.com] > > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 12:40 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Weekend Fun: You Know You're A Geek When... > > > > > > When you have cable *and* DSL and two DMZ's in your house? > > (for redundancy of course) > > > > > > At 05:27 PM 11/2/01 -0600, you wrote: > > >You know you're a geek when... > > >... you have a DMZ in your house! > > >... you capture "You Know You're A Geek When..." quotes in a > > MySQL database > > >for ease of adminstration. > > > > > >Any others? I'm sure we've done this before, but I'd LOVE > > to capture these > > >in a database... > > > > > >Jim > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > Paul, Minnesota > > >http://www.mn-linux.org > > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Nov 5 04:34:58 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Share audio under linux? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011105003743.A9945@wookimus.net> On Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 09:23:32PM -0600, Jon Schewe wrote: > So I'm playing music with RealAudio and I'm surfing at the same time. > I hit a site that has flash on it, which apparently wants to make some > noise. Instead of blending the sounds or flash just skipping the > music, my browser locks up and waits till I hit stop on RealAudio. > I've tried this under both Konqueror and Netscape with the same > results. Anyone know of a way to fix this? Configure realplayer to use the ESD sound support instead of OSS. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP Best practices In-Reply-To: <20011103190903.B12310@real-time.com> References: <3BE2CA38.5080901@sodatrain.com> <20011102155121.D3791@wookimus.net> <20011103190903.B12310@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011105005232.B9945@wookimus.net> On Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 07:09:03PM -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > Force your users to use sftp or scp to move their files about. If you > > want to be really paranoid, run your ftp daemon in a chroot and use the > > Linux 2.4 feature of multi-mount binding of directories. E.g. > > > > bash$ sudo mount --bind /home/ftp/pub /var/chroot/ftpd/pub > > bash$ sudo chroot /var/chroot/ftpd /etc/init.d/wuftpd start > > what's the benefit of multi-mount binding in this case? The benefit is that the binary objects live in /var/chroot/ftpd, and you don't have to move your traditional ftp archives around. Let's say you've got a handful of gigs of files in /home/ftp/pub. Let's also say you have about 600MB of space in /var. Now, moving all of those files over won't obviously work. Getting a new hardrive may not be in the budget at the time, so you do the next best thing. Double mount the directory entry. You have environment isolation for your binaries, yet you don't have to completely overhaul your system to do it. Violla, the benefits of multi-mount binding in this case. ;-) You do realize that the second line of the bash is executing wuftpd in context of the chroot, right? The init script would be located in /var/chroot/ftpd/etc/init.d/wuftpd... The second binding could easily be /var/chroot/home/ftp/pub... (and probably should have been). Anyway. Have fun chrooting. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011105/72d5c935/attachment.pgp From shane at pinnacle.schulte.org Mon Nov 5 04:43:32 2001 From: shane at pinnacle.schulte.org (Shane Kinney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Weekend Fun: You Know You're A Geek When... In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0D1@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011105005608.D43282-100000@pinnacle.schulte.org> On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > Your computer equipment is worth more than your car. WAY more than your > car. > > When you have a network jack in your bathroom. > > You can't fall asleep without the fan noise from at least 3 computers. > > When you write a perl script to replace co-workers that you hate. I love this last one...im going to start coding right away. I have at least 3 people that I have to replace. :) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jason DeStefano [mailto:destef@destef.com] > > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 12:40 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Weekend Fun: You Know You're A Geek When... > > > > > > When you have cable *and* DSL and two DMZ's in your house? > > (for redundancy of course) > > > > > > At 05:27 PM 11/2/01 -0600, you wrote: > > >You know you're a geek when... > > >... you have a DMZ in your house! > > >... you capture "You Know You're A Geek When..." quotes in a > > MySQL database > > >for ease of adminstration. > > > > > >Any others? I'm sure we've done this before, but I'd LOVE > > to capture these > > >in a database... > > > > > >Jim > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > Paul, Minnesota > > >http://www.mn-linux.org > > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From spencer at autonomous.tv Mon Nov 5 04:45:16 2001 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lindows In-Reply-To: <3BD969D8.7490E237@baldwin-telecom.net> Message-ID: <65D4EB45-D1E4-11D5-9167-003065F935F8@autonomous.tv> On Friday, October 26, 2001, at 08:49 AM, James Stauffer wrote: not even the same thing. this guy use to run mp3.com he is not a friend of the community. that is my opinion. > Wine, vmware, and now http://www.lindows.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From pc451 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 5 04:46:58 2001 From: pc451 at yahoo.com (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail envelope rewriting howto In-Reply-To: <20011104074857.D10263@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20011104225355.17917.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> --- Florin Iucha wrote: > I found this on [fm]: > > > http://www.ncst.ernet.in/~philip/writings/Hdr-Env-Masq-miniHOWTO.txt > > A lot of people on this list had problems with header rewriting. This > might > be a valuable resource. Does anyone know if there is an equivalent document for Postfix? This just discusses sendmail. TIA, :Peter __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From list at slushpupie.com Mon Nov 5 05:26:18 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache error logs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011031044047.HDWG7190.femail28.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Only 10 so far? I think I have gathered a few hundred so far, and I am sure there are many people here who can brag about higher numbers.. you should feel fortunte that you dont have to worry about the bandwith its eating up, and the disk space the logs chew up... I dont think there is much you can do with the IPs, you can try and contact the ISP, but that may prove fruitless, especially for the big boys. Jay > but most importantly: should i report the IPs to someone? (i have about 10 > different IPs so far) is there anything in particular i should do about -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- Your reasoning is excellent -- it's only your basic assumptions that are wrong. From barnabas at knicknack.net Mon Nov 5 09:07:56 2001 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Demanded remote connection In-Reply-To: <200111050506.fA556jn133234@pimout4-int.prodigy.net>; from peter.clark@tides.com on Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 11:00:59PM -0600 References: <200111050506.fA556jn133234@pimout4-int.prodigy.net> Message-ID: <20011105062909.D5632@knicknack.net> At one time, I used something similar to this. What I would do is dial the modem and let it ring a certain number of times (say 2 or 3), wait 10 or 15 seconds and then dial it again for another ring or two. If it saw that pattern, it would connect to my ISP and then email my IP address to me at work. I don't recall exactly what package I used to do this, but it may have been xringd. It hasn't been worked on for more than two years, but maybe it doesn't need it. I thought there might be something else, but I can't find it right now. HTH, Eric On Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 11:00:59PM -0600, Peter Clark wrote: > I am one of those poor, hapless dial-up folks who don't have a 24/7, static > ip connectiion to the Net. However, occasions have arisen where I would like > to access a file on my box at home when I am elsewhere. Once, long ago, I > thought I saw a HOWTO that described how to set up something like mgetty so > that I could, from a remote phone, dial my home phone; after a certain number > of rings, the modem would kick in with voice mail (it has voice mail > capabilities, I just have not gotten around to setting it up) and start the > usual "Please leave a message" shpeal. I would then punch in couple of > numbers as a password, which would instruct the computer to first disconnect > the line, wait a couple of seconds for the line to clear (the modem doesn't > seem to disconnect instantaneously, at least with PPP), then dial-up my ISP, > wait until it connects, and then on connect it would email me the dynamic ip > for me to connect to. Has anyone done something like this or know where I can > find out how to do it? > TIA, > :Peter > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jpschewe at mtu.net Mon Nov 5 09:12:52 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Share audio under linux? In-Reply-To: <20011105003743.A9945@wookimus.net> References: <20011105003743.A9945@wookimus.net> Message-ID: "Chad C. Walstrom" writes: > On Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 09:23:32PM -0600, Jon Schewe wrote: > > So I'm playing music with RealAudio and I'm surfing at the same time. > > I hit a site that has flash on it, which apparently wants to make some > > noise. Instead of blending the sounds or flash just skipping the > > music, my browser locks up and waits till I hit stop on RealAudio. > > I've tried this under both Konqueror and Netscape with the same > > results. Anyone know of a way to fix this? > > Configure realplayer to use the ESD sound support instead of OSS. That works, but now I get some clicking and static when playing sounds. Almost like clipping, but it's not loud enough for clipping. I don't suppose using KDE's sound server would help either? -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From chrome at real-time.com Mon Nov 5 09:24:39 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Partition sizes? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011104190752.015fec70@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>; from PCZeilon@att.net on Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 07:24:12PM -0600 References: <200111042044.fA4KiFc18511@sprite.real-time.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20011104190752.015fec70@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <20011105075037.A2749@real-time.com> > Thanks Carl, that's pretty close to the command I read about. (dd > if=/dev/hda[x] bs=512 count=1 of=linux.lnx) same thing, just different situation. > This should work with GRUB as well, correct? yeah; in this case, you're just using grub or lilo to write the boot sector. the NT bootloader is the one doing the actual booting. > What do you suggest > for a swap partition size with 512mg of system memory? I'd suggest 1GB. just to follow the rule of 'twice as much swap as memory'. it's not really true with the very latest kernels (certainly not with the ones that use Andrea Archangeli's VM); but it doesn't hurt, and drive space is so cheap these days, there's little reason not to. Carl. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Mon Nov 5 09:27:27 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: scroll burnings In-Reply-To: <20011104011648.A22116@visi.com>; from sextus@visi.com on Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 01:16:48AM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0C3@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20011102203611.627bcf98.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20011103192011.D12310@real-time.com> <20011104011648.A22116@visi.com> Message-ID: <20011105075340.B2749@real-time.com> > I seem to recall that library being knocked over repeatedly. > > The consensus on Google is that the library at Alexandria was burned, maybe > accidentally, in a tactical harbor fire under Julius Caesar in 48BCE, sacked > by Christian zealots under the emperor Theodosius in 391CE, and whatever was > left was looted or destroyed by Muslim invaders in 640CE. probably true. my knowlege of ancient history isn't what it used to be. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Mon Nov 5 09:28:42 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Freebsd lovin' In-Reply-To: ; from mbutler2@mmm.com on Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 11:23:09PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011105075917.C2749@real-time.com> > I thought that OS X was mach kernel based, making it a lightweight > derivative of a BSD kernel, is that right? not that I know of... I don't think I've heard anything like that. > I agree with what Apple has done, they've made an excellent > system, it is very stable and usable, and pretty as all get out. Aqua (the > display manager for OS X), is gorgeous, yeah, but it's not themable. :) (AFAIK.) Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Mon Nov 5 09:29:55 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cute Linux cartoons from IBM In-Reply-To: <3BE4FBEC.6070802@haxxed.mine.nu>; from seg@haxxed.mine.nu on Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 02:27:24AM -0600 References: <20011103200557.F12310@real-time.com> <3BE4FBEC.6070802@haxxed.mine.nu> Message-ID: <20011105080033.D2749@real-time.com> > Also requires javascript popups for the damned links. I have them shut > off in Mozilla. > > Anyone know a way to easily turn them on and off while its running? Some > XUL voodoo? run Galeon. there's menu options for it. toggle on/off on the fly. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Nov 5 09:33:17 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Share audio under linux? In-Reply-To: <20011105003743.A9945@wookimus.net> References: <20011105003743.A9945@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20011105141936.AF9C242C2@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 5 Nov 2001 00:37:43 -0600 Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > Configure realplayer to use the ESD sound support instead of OSS. Or get yourself a audio card that has mutiple DSPs (Ensoniq, and the SB pci cards...) or a card that will let you open the DSP 12 or so times (SB Live!) (and it has 2 DSPs!) Or if you're running GNOME, enable ESD. Have RealPlayer do ESD output. If you're running KDE...ummm...bummer. RealPlayer doesn't support arts (KDE's sound server.) and I'm sure arts and esd don't get along... - -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | Bender: You just think that robots are machines built by humans to make their life's easier. Fry: Well, aren't they? Bender: I've never made anyone's life easier and you know it! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjvmn/UACgkQ/PFCAPL3hQNpSgCg1TTqH1w3jz1XpRRvp2v733V6 Ee8AmgNKCutBFPHH98Tx0kpllC/+C6+s =HSJu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From molivier1 at excite.com Mon Nov 5 14:08:07 2001 From: molivier1 at excite.com (Marc Olivier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] printer problems Message-ID: <2622349.1004972663799.JavaMail.imail@squealer.excite.com> hello, speaking of installfest,... I have installed SUSE Linux 7.3 on my AMD system, and I get strange thing happening with my printer. If I test the printer, I get results (altho not in the font I would expect). However, if I go to print something from any application, I get a warning stating I didn't install a printing daemon (lpd, lpring, etc)and system can't find the IP network settings or I am not the root user. What is that all about? I've installed Linux before on machines, and the printer has always worked. _______________________________________________________ http://inbox.excite.com From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Nov 5 14:10:41 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Share audio under linux? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011105092937.6f5a49bd.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Jon Schewe wrote: > > So I'm playing music with RealAudio and I'm surfing at the same time. I > hit a site that has flash on it, which apparently wants to make some > noise. Instead of blending the sounds or flash just skipping the music, > my browser locks up and waits till I hit stop on RealAudio. I've tried > this under both Konqueror and Netscape with the same results. Anyone > know of a way to fix this? Get a new sound card? SoundBlaster Live!s can handle multiple inputs with different frequencies and bit-depths (8/16). I suspect there are other sound cards that can do the same in Linux. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Do cosmetologists give / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ make-up exams? \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For completeness (and to soothe my ego about being so slow to respond to a message aimed at me), my post is below. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org Cookies are tasty! |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://freesklyarov.org/ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 09:46:06 -0500 From: Jim Crumley Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Mailing list footer On Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 08:58:24AM -0500, John J. Trammell wrote: > On Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 04:16:12AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > Looks like mailman removes the footer when it shoves it into > > the archive. > > > > There are a couple with the footer, but I think that is > > because it was in the > > reply part of the message. > > The solution is clear: stop trimming posts! Yay! Ack! That solution is worse than the problem. Here's my attempt: everyone who uses mutt (or other similarly enlightened MUAs) should have a signature just for TCLUG lists. To set the signature you just need a line like below in your muttrc: send-hook "~t tclug.*@mn-linux.org" set signature="~/.sig_tclug" -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org Cookies are tasty! |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://freesklyarov.org/ From mbutler2 at mmm.com Mon Nov 5 14:15:11 2001 From: mbutler2 at mmm.com (mbutler2@mmm.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Freebsd lovin' Message-ID: >> I thought that OS X was mach kernel based, making it a lightweight >> derivative of a BSD kernel, is that right? > not that I know of... I don't think I've heard anything like that. Okay, I just can't let sleeping dogs be- from: http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/macosx/Essentials/SystemOverview/SystemTechnologies/index.html "Beneath the appealing, easy-to-use interface of Mac OS X is a rock-solid foundation that is engineered for stability, reliability, and performance. This foundation is a core operating system commonly known as Darwin, which is also available as Open Source from http://www.apple.com/darwin. Darwin integrates a number of technologies, most importantly Mach 3.0, operating-system services based on 4.4BSD (Berkeley Software Distribution), high-performance networking facilities, and support for multiple integrated file systems. Because the design of Darwin is highly modular, you can dynamically add such things as device drivers, networking extensions, and new file systems." I do agree that Aqua is NOT themable, yet... Just give the Mac guys a few more days, I'm sure they'll get that done as well. And yes, I do have too much time on my hands, I should go to lunch or something... Just kidding, I'd heard that it was micro kernel based when Darwin came out, and I've got a friend doing some devel on Darwin, he's all up on how awesome it is, but I just can't get excited about something aimed at the desktop, I love my full version servers too much... Thanks again for listening, have a good day, mbutler From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Nov 5 14:17:35 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Weekend Fun: You Know You're A Geek When... In-Reply-To: ; from nassarmu@redconcepts.net on Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 12:41:49AM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0D1@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011105095240.B830@chuck.sistina.com> On Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 12:41:49AM -0600, Munir Nassar wrote: >On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > >> When you have a network jack in your bathroom. When you have wirelss and regularly surf from the can :-) > >i am hopeless, i actually said "oooh" when i read this one... > > -munir > > >> >> You can't fall asleep without the fan noise from at least 3 computers. >> >> When you write a perl script to replace co-workers that you hate. >> >> >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Jason DeStefano [mailto:destef@destef.com] >> > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 12:40 PM >> > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Weekend Fun: You Know You're A Geek When... >> > >> > >> > When you have cable *and* DSL and two DMZ's in your house? >> > (for redundancy of course) >> > >> > >> > At 05:27 PM 11/2/01 -0600, you wrote: >> > >You know you're a geek when... >> > >... you have a DMZ in your house! >> > >... you capture "You Know You're A Geek When..." quotes in a >> > MySQL database >> > >for ease of adminstration. >> > > >> > >Any others? I'm sure we've done this before, but I'd LOVE >> > to capture these >> > >in a database... >> > > >> > >Jim >> > > >> > > >> > >_______________________________________________ >> > >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. >> > Paul, Minnesota >> > >http://www.mn-linux.org >> > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. >> > Paul, Minnesota >> > http://www.mn-linux.org >> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > >-- > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc Sysadmin, Prime Minister of Email, President of DLT Operations this space intentionally left blank. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(I have a copy of Byte with an article about the Mach kernel for mac from '89) They mention it at the bottom here: http://www.apple.com/macosx/technologies/ From ray at lctn.k12.mn.us Mon Nov 5 14:23:43 2001 From: ray at lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sendmail config problem Message-ID: <3BE6C779.BBAA446D@lctn.k12.mn.us> This is the first time I have worked with sendmail. I used an install script by Cork.linux.ie . I have included the error I get when trying to restart sendmail. I must have errored on on e of my answers. It also said if I want to run POP on my server to uncomment "pop3d" in /etc/inetd.conf. I cannot find this file. Thanks in advance Raymond -------------- next part -------------- Shutting down sendmail: [FAILED] Starting sendmail: 554 5.0.0 No local mailer defined 554 5.0.0 QueueDirectory (Q) option must be set [FAILED] From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Nov 5 14:32:25 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Weekend Fun: You Know You're A Geek When... In-Reply-To: References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0D1@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011105105253.R16600@ringworld.org> * Yaron [011105 04:42]: > > Your computer equipment is worth more than your car. WAY more than your > > car. > *does quick calculation on fingers* Oh good god... Does this apply to people who dont have cars? (I do, but its not worth much :) ) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Just say NO to Product Activation! From thomas at stderr.net Mon Nov 5 14:37:08 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Interesting reading about MAPS Message-ID: <20011105181601.F36562@io.stderr.net> http://www.dotcomeon.com/ -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From petre.scheie at nextelpartners.com Mon Nov 5 14:40:17 2001 From: petre.scheie at nextelpartners.com (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux VAR in Twin Cities Message-ID: <3BE6CE17.2E09F3DA@nextelpartners.com> I'm suggesting to my brother that he look into using the PCs at his small non-profit business as x-terminals connected to a linux server ala LTSP. One issue will be ongoing support in that they'll need to have a company that they can call for support/advice/etc. While I could set it up for him, I already have a day job, and if something breaks at 10:30am they need to have someone who can give them attention immediately. Can anyone suggest some local Value Added Resellers (VARs) that work with linux in this capacity (LTSP)? Is this the kind of thing Real-Time handles? I'd like to be able to say "Here are three different companies that you can solicit for support on this." Thanks. Petre Scheie SysAdmin NextelPartners From simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com Mon Nov 5 14:45:42 2001 From: simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Yellow Dog 2.1 Message-ID: ----->>>>> On 2-Nov-2001, Spencer Butler wrote: > I saw on http://linuxiso.org the other day. And I know there > is an older copy on ftp://ftp.real-time.com/linux/misc_iso/ Really really really want the 2.1 release. > What kind of mac do you have? -------------- 9500 w/ 104MB RAM Also a new G4 7(can't remember the MHz) w/ dual video. I want the 2.1 as it supports both video cards and the newer hardware. I'm guessing this is mostly kernel and the newer Xwindows and I could update the 2.0 release but I would rather just install 2.1 and not have the extra downloading and recompiling etc. If anyone has 2.1 or know's of somewhere to download it... sim From clay at fandre.com Mon Nov 5 14:50:30 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Demanded remote connection In-Reply-To: <200111050506.fA556jn133234@pimout4-int.prodigy.net> References: <200111050506.fA556jn133234@pimout4-int.prodigy.net> Message-ID: <20011105121935.B3096@fandre.com> What type of modem is it? Is there any software that goes with it? What I do is use the caller-id features of my modem, along with cid. I wrote a script to monitor the cid log, and if a call comes in from a certain number I have it dialup to my ISP. I use the dial-on-demand features of pppd, so it will automatically disconnect after a period of inactivity. Or you could just have it dialup every hour for a few minutes and then disconnect if there isn't any activity. Then you just need to login to your box before it disconnects. On Sun, 04 Nov 2001, Peter Clark wrote: > I am one of those poor, hapless dial-up folks who don't have a 24/7, static > ip connectiion to the Net. However, occasions have arisen where I would like > to access a file on my box at home when I am elsewhere. Once, long ago, I > thought I saw a HOWTO that described how to set up something like mgetty so > that I could, from a remote phone, dial my home phone; after a certain number > of rings, the modem would kick in with voice mail (it has voice mail > capabilities, I just have not gotten around to setting it up) and start the > usual "Please leave a message" shpeal. I would then punch in couple of > numbers as a password, which would instruct the computer to first disconnect > the line, wait a couple of seconds for the line to clear (the modem doesn't > seem to disconnect instantaneously, at least with PPP), then dial-up my ISP, > wait until it connects, and then on connect it would email me the dynamic ip > for me to connect to. Has anyone done something like this or know where I can > find out how to do it? > TIA, > :Peter > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From steveg at transition.com Mon Nov 5 18:13:33 2001 From: steveg at transition.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Weekend Fun: You Know You're A Geek When... Message-ID: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BC088@postman.transition.com> I have to remember to never buy a used laptop from either of you. -----Original Message----- From: Ben Lutgens [mailto:blutgens@sistina.com] Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 9:53 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Weekend Fun: You Know You're A Geek When... On Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 12:41:49AM -0600, Munir Nassar wrote: >On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > >> When you have a network jack in your bathroom. When you have wirelss and regularly surf from the can :-) From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Nov 5 18:19:25 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cute Linux cartoons from IBM In-Reply-To: <3BE4FBEC.6070802@haxxed.mine.nu> References: <20011103200557.F12310@real-time.com> <3BE4FBEC.6070802@haxxed.mine.nu> Message-ID: <20011105143316.43141120.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Callum Lerwick wrote: > > Also requires javascript popups for the damned links. I have them shut > off in Mozilla. > > Anyone know a way to easily turn them on and off while its running? Some > XUL voodoo? I have seen two different ways of disabling javascript popups in Mozilla. The first method I saw would disable _all_ javascript popup windows. The second would only do it if the popup happened in the onLoad or onUnload code (specified in the HTML tag). The second method is better, though it's also more likely to be circumvented by ruthless advertisers at some point. user_pref("dom.disable_open_during_load", true); -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I gnu the gnu guy wanted / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ some GNU software. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011105/f4ed5aae/attachment.pgp From natecars at real-time.com Mon Nov 5 18:21:05 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Weekend Fun: You Know You're A Geek When... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, Yaron wrote: > > Your computer equipment is worth more than your car. WAY more than your > > car. > > *does quick calculation on fingers* Oh good god... heh, that'd scare me.. luckily, i only have a couple thousand bucks in computer gear at home. :) now, if you count all the toys at work............. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Nov 5 18:22:16 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Share audio under linux? In-Reply-To: <20011105141936.AF9C242C2@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> References: <20011105003743.A9945@wookimus.net> <20011105141936.AF9C242C2@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011105143839.1a07d985.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > > Or get yourself a audio card that has mutiple DSPs (Ensoniq, and the SB > pci cards...) or a card that will let you open the DSP 12 or so times > (SB Live!) (and it has 2 DSPs!) Speaking of which, do you happen to know how to _use_ that second DSP? There are some cases where it's really nice to have that second input. You could, for example, have all of your `system' noises go through the second DSP, so you don't get ICQ noises coming out your big stereo speakers.. The tools for the SB Live! in Linux are pretty powerful, and let you do all sorts of funky routing (input x -> output y, and stuff going through filters, etc.). Too bad they aren't very usable yet (IMHO). -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ There will be no last bus / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ tonight. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011105/09f7bda7/attachment.pgp From natecars at real-time.com Mon Nov 5 18:23:30 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Interesting reading about MAPS In-Reply-To: <20011105181601.F36562@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, Thomas Eibner wrote: > http://www.dotcomeon.com/ heh, good 'ol mitch, who runs a open relay and says he has to because his customers appreciate it.. man, i love that guy! always good for a laugh.. his 'paul vixie' conspiracies are the best! -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Mon Nov 5 18:24:40 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux VAR in Twin Cities In-Reply-To: <3BE6CE17.2E09F3DA@nextelpartners.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, Petre Scheie wrote: > I'm suggesting to my brother that he look into using the PCs at his > small non-profit business as x-terminals connected to a linux server ala > LTSP. One issue will be ongoing support in that they'll need to have a > company that they can call for support/advice/etc. While I could set it > up for him, I already have a day job, and if something breaks at 10:30am > they need to have someone who can give them attention immediately. Can > anyone suggest some local Value Added Resellers (VARs) that work with > linux in this capacity (LTSP)? Is this the kind of thing Real-Time > handles? I'd like to be able to say "Here are three different companies > that you can solicit for support on this." Thanks. We basically do anything Linux. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Mon Nov 5 18:37:10 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sony VAIO laptop repairs? Message-ID: Well, my VAIO has apparently seen too much use (it's almost two years old), and the cable between the base of the laptop and the LCD screen appears to have gone bad. I've been having trouble with it for a while, but wedging it at a certain angle always got it to keep working. :) Sony won't ship me the ribbon cable to install myself (hafta ship it to them), and from what I've been told it takes 3-4 weeks to get stuff back from them. Does anyone happen to know either a place where I can buy parts for these things, or a local repair shop that works on them? (Laptop's long out of warranty, so no worries about voiding anything..) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Nov 5 18:47:51 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Creating a patch Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0DB@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Ok, I have 2 files, something.c and something-modified.c How do I create a patch so the changes in something-modified.c can be applied to something.c? Jay From molivier1 at excite.com Mon Nov 5 18:50:18 2001 From: molivier1 at excite.com (Marc Olivier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] request for CDs of Red Hat/Debian Message-ID: <7570026.1004995428753.JavaMail.imail@squealer.excite.com> Hello. I am interested in getting some recent version of Linux up and running on my PC. I want to (eventually) experiment with networking, especially SAMBA, but any networking would be nice. I currently have Suse 7.3, but I've had some strange problems regarding my printer and sound card, and am wondering if things might be better with a different "make" of Linux. If appropriate, I would like to request someone burn a CD with full networking version of Red Hat or Debian on it, so I can see what's up. I have a 56K modem, so downloads don't sound like a good idea (or is it?) Please let me know if this can be done, or am I out of line for asking? Marc _______________________________________________________ http://inbox.excite.com From peter-clark at tides.com Mon Nov 5 19:01:15 2001 From: peter-clark at tides.com (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Demanded remote connection Message-ID: <200111052137.fA5Lbdn266152@pimout4-int.prodigy.net> --- Clay Fandre wrote: > What type of modem is it? Is there any software that goes with it? It's an AOpen FM56-ITU/2 fax/modem/voice (ISA). Has a good record under Linux. Came with Windows voice mail software. > What I do is use the caller-id features of my modem, along with cid. > I wrote a script to monitor the cid log, and if a call comes in from > a certain number I have it dialup to my ISP. I use the dial-on-demand > features of pppd, so it will automatically disconnect after a period > of inactivity. Not a bad idea, except I don't have caller id, and I can't guarantee that I will be calling from a limited set of phones. Eric Stanley's suggestion of using xdiald led me to a couple of web sites that discuss how to use vgetty for such a purpose. Alas, vgetty is a monstrous beast and it will take me a while to wade through everything. Actually, that leads me to an unrelated question. While reading about vgetty, I thought, "Hey, I might as well try to get the voice mail functions working." Well, that includes recording a message. I suddenly realized that my microphone doesn't work properly. Actually, there's a range of problems. First, I couldn't find a decent sound recorder that supports aRts (I'm running KDE 2.2.1). Killing aRts and trying other recorders (such as grecord) doesn't work either, even if I start esd. Without any sound driver, grecord makes files that just hiss and crackle. I've checked the volume setting for the microphone, but can't figure out what's wrong. Anyone know when a unified sound standard will appear for Linux? I'm tired of swapping aRts and esd. I heard a while back that aRts was going to be the standard, but so far, nothing. Grr. :Peter From doughanson at mediaone.net Mon Nov 5 22:18:46 2001 From: doughanson at mediaone.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sony VAIO laptop repairs? References: Message-ID: <000f01c1665d$7d8f0080$a928f518@mediaone.net> Try abbai computers ( http://www.abbai.com ). They are local and they have a flat rate for repairs. General Repair: $60/hour (half hour minimum) Monitor Repair: $60 Flat Fee - 14" or 15" / $100 - 17" and up Laptop Repair: $160 Flat Fee. Maybe you can work something out with them. The guy there is pretty reasonable. Otherwise, search for the part number on the net and install it yourself. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nate Carlson" To: "Twin Cities Linux User Group" Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 3:11 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Sony VAIO laptop repairs? > Well, my VAIO has apparently seen too much use (it's almost two years > old), and the cable between the base of the laptop and the LCD screen > appears to have gone bad. I've been having trouble with it for a while, > but wedging it at a certain angle always got it to keep working. :) > > Sony won't ship me the ribbon cable to install myself (hafta ship it to > them), and from what I've been told it takes 3-4 weeks to get stuff back > from them. Does anyone happen to know either a place where I can buy parts > for these things, or a local repair shop that works on them? (Laptop's > long out of warranty, so no worries about voiding anything..) > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From thomas at stderr.net Mon Nov 5 22:20:07 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Creating a patch In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0DB@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 03:22:40PM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0DB@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011106015643.A42107@io.stderr.net> On Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 03:22:40PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > Ok, I have 2 files, something.c and something-modified.c > > How do I create a patch so the changes in something-modified.c can be > applied to something.c? diff something.c something-modified.c -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Nov 5 22:22:43 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Sony VAIO laptop repairs? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011105185805.V16600@ringworld.org> * Nate Carlson [011105 18:38]: > Well, my VAIO has apparently seen too much use (it's almost two years > old), and the cable between the base of the laptop and the LCD screen I would ebay for a broken/gutted one. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Just say NO to Product Activation! From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Nov 5 22:24:52 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Creating a patch In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0DB@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0DB@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011105190551.50c39afb.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > Ok, I have 2 files, something.c and something-modified.c > > How do I create a patch so the changes in something-modified.c can be > applied to something.c? diff something.c something-modified.c > something.diff I usually create unified diffs (-u option), but lots of people seem to like context diffs (-c). I guess non-GNU diff programs don't understand unified diffs (the stock Solaris one doesn't create them, at least). There are piles of other options, too. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Linux: Just do it. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011105/8e4c87f8/attachment.pgp From josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org Mon Nov 5 22:26:46 2001 From: josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Creating a patch In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0DB@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Huh. No responses yet. It's easy to do and commonly done against old-source new-source directories but it works equally well on single files: diff -ur old-dir new-dir or diff -u old-dir new-dir It's as easy as punch. Joshua b. Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 http://www.greentechnologist.org On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > Ok, I have 2 files, something.c and something-modified.c > > How do I create a patch so the changes in something-modified.c can be > applied to something.c? > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE75zfofexLsowstzcRAvyaAKCFwEMs49my38NUDChvRwk+BgGLiACdE0go GzObE8bYzw1kJ6FlF5zcHmA= =S/Kc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From clay at fandre.com Mon Nov 5 22:36:50 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] request for CDs of Red Hat/Debian In-Reply-To: <7570026.1004995428753.JavaMail.imail@squealer.excite.com> References: <7570026.1004995428753.JavaMail.imail@squealer.excite.com> Message-ID: <20011105195656.B12594@fandre.com> On Mon, 05 Nov 2001, Marc Olivier wrote: > Hello. > > I am interested in getting some recent version of Linux up and running on my > PC. I want to (eventually) experiment with networking, especially SAMBA, but > any networking would be nice. I currently have Suse 7.3, but I've had some > strange problems regarding my printer and sound card, and am wondering if > things might be better with a different "make" of Linux. If appropriate, I > would like to request someone burn a CD with full networking version of Red > Hat or Debian on it, so I can see what's up. I have a 56K modem, so > downloads don't sound like a good idea (or is it?) > > Please let me know if this can be done, or am I out of line for asking? How dare you ask us to share Linux. Do you want us to get in trouble? The nerve of some people. Oh wait, Linux is free. Nevermind. So what part of town do you hang out at? Just let us know what you want and I'm sure someone is willing to burn you a copy. If you have time, give all the distros a try. Then let us know what you think. -- Clay From clay at fandre.com Mon Nov 5 22:39:37 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Creating a patch In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0DB@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0DB@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011105201013.C12594@fandre.com> You can start here: http://www.geocities.com/rlcomp_1999/patch.html On Mon, 05 Nov 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > Ok, I have 2 files, something.c and something-modified.c > > How do I create a patch so the changes in something-modified.c can be > applied to something.c? > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Mon Nov 5 22:45:53 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Creating a patch In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0DB@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 03:22:40PM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0DB@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011105210410.A15033@beaver.iucha.org> On Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 03:22:40PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > Ok, I have 2 files, something.c and something-modified.c > > How do I create a patch so the changes in something-modified.c can be > applied to something.c? diff -u -c something.c something-modified.c > some.patch florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011105/4e56b182/attachment.pgp From jpschewe at mtu.net Mon Nov 5 22:52:25 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Share audio under linux? In-Reply-To: <20011105141936.AF9C242C2@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> References: <20011105003743.A9945@wookimus.net> <20011105141936.AF9C242C2@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) writes: > On Mon, 5 Nov 2001 00:37:43 -0600 Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > > Configure realplayer to use the ESD sound support instead of OSS. > > Or get yourself a audio card that has mutiple DSPs (Ensoniq, and the SB pci > cards...) or a card that will let you open the DSP 12 or so times (SB Live!) > (and it has 2 DSPs!) I have an Ensoniq AudioPCI card. > Or if you're running GNOME, enable ESD. Have RealPlayer do ESD output. If > you're running KDE...ummm...bummer. RealPlayer doesn't support arts (KDE's > sound server.) and I'm sure arts and esd don't get along... I've got args turned off. Doesn't get along with a few things. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Nov 5 23:05:04 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Creating a patch In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0DB@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0DB@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011105221021.B617@wookimus.net> On Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 03:22:40PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > Ok, I have 2 files, something.c and something-modified.c > > How do I create a patch so the changes in something-modified.c can be > applied to something.c? bash$ diff -U something.c something-modified.c > patch-something bash$ patch -p0 patch-something SEE ALSO: diff(1) -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Give our salesdroid a call (see # in my .sig), and he'll be happy to talk to you about the deals we can offer. The sooner you get in, the better a deal we'll offer. :) I would really love to start supporting Linux on the corporate desktop. One way or another we need to deal with the end user; better to do it on something closer to our terms. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Nov 5 23:11:52 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slow list (Was: Creating a patch) In-Reply-To: References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0DB@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011105224150.682cba60.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "Joshua b. Jore" wrote: > > Huh. No responses yet. Hey Bob, what's slowing down the list server so much? Mail is taking a few hours to get delivered. It's not a problem for me, though it does screw up the flow of conversation a bit... -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ System Error Type 15: / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Demonic Posession. Boo. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011105/ce51d753/attachment.pgp From natecars at real-time.com Mon Nov 5 23:25:57 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Sony VAIO laptop repairs? In-Reply-To: <20011105185805.V16600@ringworld.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, Scott Dier wrote: > I would ebay for a broken/gutted one. Already tried. :( There's no part # on the cable, and nobody on Ebay has a F390 that I can find.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jim at herrick.net Mon Nov 5 23:39:46 2001 From: jim at herrick.net (Jim Herrick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Joke: How to Attend a Meeting References: <3BE6CE17.2E09F3DA@nextelpartners.com> Message-ID: <091b01c16657$2a68e570$d129a541@host209> How to Attend a Meeting by Dave Barry To really succeed in a business or organization, it is sometimes helpful to know what your job is, and whether it involves any duties. Ask among your coworkers. "Hi," you should say. "I'm a new employee. What is the name of my job?" If they answer "long-range planner" or "lieutenant governor," you are pretty much free to lounge around and do crossword puzzles until retirement. Most jobs, however, will require some work. There are two major kinds of work in modern organizations: 1. Taking phone messages for people who are in meetings, and, 2. Going to meetings. Your ultimate career strategy will be to get a job involving primarily No. 2, going to meetings, as soon as possible, because that's where the real prestige is. It is all very well and good to be able to take phonemessages, but you are never going to get a position of power, a position where you can cost thousands of people their jobs with a single bonehead decision, unless you learn how to attend meetings. The first meeting ever was held back in the Mezzanine Era. In those days, Man's job was to slay his prey and bring it home for Woman, who had to figure out how to cook it. The problem was, Man was slow and basically naked, whereas the prey had warm fur and could run like an antelope. (In fact it was an antelope, only nobody knew this). At last someone said, "Maybe if we just sat down and did some brainstorming, we could come up with a better way to hunt our prey!" It went extremely well, plus it was much warmer sitting in a circle, so they agreed to meet again the next day, and the next. But the women pointed out that, prey-wise, the men had not produced anything, and the human race was pretty much starving. The men agreed that was serious and said they would put it right near the top of their "agenda". At this point, the women, who were primitive but not stupid, started eating plants, and thus modern agriculture was born. It never would have happened without meetings. The modern business meeting, however, might better be compared with a funeral, in the sense that you have a gathering of people who are wearing uncomfortable clothing and would rather be somewhere else. The major difference is that most funerals have a definite purpose. Also, nothing is really ever buried in a meeting. An idea may look dead, but it will always reappear at another meeting later on. If you have ever seen the movie, "Night of the Living Dead," you have a rough idea of how modern meetings operate, with projects and proposals that everyone thought were killed rising up constantly from their graves to stagger back into meetings and eat the brains of the living. There are two major kinds of meetings: 1. Meetings that are held for basically the same reason that Arbor Day is observed - namely, tradition. For example, a lot of managerial people like to meet on Monday, because it's Monday. You'll get used to it. You'd better, because this kind accounts for 83% of all meetings (based on a study in which I wrote down numbers until one of them looked about right). This type of meeting operates the way "Show and Tell" does in nursery school, with everyone getting to say something, the difference being that in nursery school, the kids actually have something to say. When it's your turn, you should say that you're still working on whatever it is you're supposed to be working on. This may seem pretty dumb, since obviously you'd be working on whatever you're supposed to be working on, and even if you weren't, you'd claim you were, but that's the traditional thing for everyone to say. It would be a lot faster if the person running the meeting would just say, "Everyone who is still working on what he or she is supposed to be working on, raise your hand." You'd be out of there in five minutes, even allowing for jokes. But this is not how we do it in America. My guess is, it's how they do it in Japan. 2. Meetings where there is some alleged purpose. These are trickier, because what you do depends on what the purpose is. Sometimes the purpose is harmless, like someone wants to show slides of pie charts and give everyone a big, fat report. All you have to do in this kind of meeting is sit there and have elaborate fantasies, then take the report back to your office and throw it away, unless, of course, you're a vice president, in which case you write the name of a subordinate in the upper right hand corner, followed by a question mark, like this: "Norm?" Then you send it to Norm and forget all about it (although it will plague Norm for the rest of his career). But sometimes you go to meetings where the purpose is to get your "input" on something. This is very serious because what it means is, they want to make sure that in case whatever it is turns out to be stupid or fatal,you'll get some of the blame, so you have to escape from the meeting before they get around to asking you anything. One way is to set fire to your tie. Another is to have an accomplice interrupt the meeting and announce that you have a phone call from someone very important, such as the president of the company or the Pope. It should be one or the other. It would a sound fishy if the accomplice said, "You have a call from the president of the company, or the Pope." You should know how to take notes at a meeting. Use a yellow legal pad. At the top, write the date and underline it twice. Now wait until an important person, such as your boss, starts talking; when he does, look at him with an expression of enraptured interest, as though he is revealing the secrets of life itself. Then write interlocking rectangles like this: (picture of doodled rectangles). If it is an especially lengthy meeting, you can try something like this (Picture of more elaborate doodles and a caricature of the boss). If somebody falls asleep in a meeting, have everyone else leave the room. Then collect a group of total strangers, right off the street, and have them sit around the sleeping person until he wakes up. Then have one of them say to him, "Bob, your plan is very, very risky. However, you've given us no choice but to try it. I only hope, for your sake, that you know what you're getting yourself into." Then they should file quietly out of the room. From tanner at real-time.com Tue Nov 6 03:37:39 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slow list (Was: Creating a patch) In-Reply-To: <20011105224150.682cba60.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 10:41:50PM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0DB@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20011105224150.682cba60.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011105235435.F29992@real-time.com> Quoting Mike Hicks (hick0088@tc.umn.edu): > "Joshua b. Jore" wrote: > > > > Huh. No responses yet. > > Hey Bob, what's slowing down the list server so much? Mail is taking a > few hours to get delivered. > > It's not a problem for me, though it does screw up the flow of > conversation a bit... > The server is still working on rolling out the injection of kernel archives. The injection is done, the mail server needs to feed them out to the archive. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Tue Nov 6 03:39:32 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux VAR in Twin Cities In-Reply-To: <20011105221910.E12968@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 10:19:15PM -0600 References: <3BE6CE17.2E09F3DA@nextelpartners.com> <20011105221910.E12968@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011105235858.G29992@real-time.com> Quoting Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom (chrome@real-time.com): > > Can > > anyone suggest some local Value Added Resellers (VARs) that work with > > linux in this capacity (LTSP)? Is this the kind of thing Real-Time > > handles? I'd like to be able to say "Here are three different companies > > that you can solicit for support on this." Thanks. We have been successful with Linux as a server, but we are still looking for that one client to go linux on the desktop. As Carl said, call Dennis. I know we are offering 40hours of on-site consulting for free (ie myself, Nate or Carl will sit at your site for 1 week and be part of your helpdesk/support team). A greatly reduced hourly rate, etc... -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From mcolivier at earthlink.net Tue Nov 6 03:40:52 2001 From: mcolivier at earthlink.net (Marc Olivier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problem Message-ID: <000c01c16689$fc664cc0$d4cdfea9@amdk6pc> ok, here is the situation with my request. I am going to pester Suse Linux, since it is there product, adn they should support it. Thanks to those who responded for the offers of help, I appreciate it. My main thing right now is, when I go into konsole, and I type lp, I get the following "Get_local_host: 'localhost' IP address not available!" Now, I get this after setting host name as "linux" and domain name as "localhost", and I have the network address as follows: Network device =eth0 Setup method; Static address setup (because DHCP won't take at all without an external server address for some reason)=IP address=192.168.0.1 Subnet mask=255.255.255.0 Earlier, I had entered several addresses in the name server list, and now, I can't get them out. What is happening? Marc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I know we are offering 40hours of on-site consulting > for free (ie myself, Nate or Carl will sit at your site for 1 week and be part > of your helpdesk/support team). A greatly reduced hourly rate, etc... > > -- We've been running Linux desktops on X-Terminals (and PC's running as X-Terminals) for quite a while. We don't need help, but I wouldn't mind our operation being used as a reference for others. Primary benefits are cost, cost, cost, stability, controllability, and security. Did I mention cost? I would love to see others use Linux on the office desktop. It's a bit lonely out here... Kent From chrome at real-time.com Tue Nov 6 08:10:40 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cracked power socket on IBM WorkPad? Message-ID: <20011106074033.I26087@real-time.com> on my z50 WorkPad (a MIPS-based subnotebook), the power socket doesn't seem to be connected very well to the rest of the machine. if I just plug it in, the charging light won't come on. to get external power working, I need to actually apply downward pressure to the power plug, which pulls downward on that socket. it seems to be getting worse, requiring more pressure to work as time goes on. I've got a junk Thinkpad down in the basement with the same problem; so I suspect something wrong with IBMs design. anyone ever seen this before, and know how to take one of these apart so I can solder on the socket? (at least I'm guessing that's the way to fix it). I tried taking it apart once, and couldn't figure out (trivially at least) how to get more than the keyboard off. the motherboard is all sealed up inside the main case it seems. Carl Soderstrom -- Insert witty comment here. From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Tue Nov 6 12:18:09 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problem In-Reply-To: <000c01c16689$fc664cc0$d4cdfea9@amdk6pc>; from mcolivier@earthlink.net on Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 12:12:15AM -0600 References: <000c01c16689$fc664cc0$d4cdfea9@amdk6pc> Message-ID: <20011106074332.A3522@trammell.dyndns.org> On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 12:12:15AM -0600, Marc Olivier wrote: > ok, here is the situation with my request. I am going to pester Suse > Linux, since it is there product, adn they should support it. Erm, you're likely to get better support here on TCLUG. > Thanks to those who responded for the offers of help, I appreciate > it. So why didn't you respond to any of our posts? :-) > My main thing right now is, when I go into konsole, and I type lp, > I get the following "Get_local_host: 'localhost' IP address not > available!" That sUx0rs. What does your /etc/hosts file look like? > Now, I get this after setting host name as "linux" and domain name > as "localhost", and I have the network address as follows: > Network device =eth0 > Setup method; Static address setup (because DHCP won't take at all > without an external server address for some reason) Prolly because DHCP means that you have to talk to a server to get your host config info. Again I ask: is your ISP set up to give you a dynamic address? Do you have a dialup, DSL, cable, ISDN, what? > IP address=192.168.0.1 Subnet mask=255.255.255.0 > Earlier, I had entered several addresses in the name server list, > and now, I can't get them out. What is happening? Very likely your name server addresses got put into /etc/resolv.conf. One of your other posts mentions that you have a dialup connection. If you're not connected to your ISP, you're not going to be able to do much with that. I'm puzzled as to what you are trying to do. It sounds like you're working on printing, some sort of ethernet setup (eth0), some sort of dialup setup (modem mentioned elsewhere), and some sort of name service stuff. I would suggest the following to-do list, done in the following order: 1. Get your host configured correctly; IP address, et cetera. 2. Get dialup networking going. That way you can use the host on the net to read mail and update packages. 3. Get printing going. -- johntrammell@yahoo.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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How much is XP gonna cost you again?". :-) Have a great day, Troy >>> kent@structural-wood.com 11/06/01 07:23AM >>> We've been running Linux desktops on X-Terminals (and PC's running as X-Terminals) for quite a while. We don't need help, but I wouldn't mind our operation being used as a reference for others. Primary benefits are cost, cost, cost, stability, controllability, and security. Did I mention cost? I would love to see others use Linux on the office desktop. It's a bit lonely out here... From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Tue Nov 6 12:35:46 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux VAR in Twin Cities In-Reply-To: <3BE7E43F.7F2A0BBE@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: We are in the process of beginning a migration to Linux on the desktop here. I have been talking to Dennis at Real-Time and feeding questions to Carl. If anybody knows of a good ACT/Maximizer/Goldmine replacement that runs on Linux, please let me know. That and 2 proprietary packages are the only things preventing a migration of everyone except HR and the Art department (Quark on W2K). All of our accounting, order processing, etc takes place on RS/6000s with IBM 3151 emulation, which Linux does very nicely, thank you. So, most everything is e-mail, word processing, spreadsheets. Between WINE and Open Office, we should be fine (he crosses his fingers...) Even some of my die hard MS lovers here are beginning to get sick of the virus/worm of the week club and anti-virus software blowing away the print spool in the middle of a 30 page print out :( Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Kent Schumacher |Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 7:23 AM |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org |Subject: Re: [TCLUG] linux VAR in Twin Cities | | |Bob Tanner wrote: |> |> Quoting Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom (chrome@real-time.com): |> > > Can |> > > anyone suggest some local Value Added Resellers (VARs) that work with |> > > linux in this capacity (LTSP)? Is this the kind of thing Real-Time |> > > handles? I'd like to be able to say "Here are three |different companies |> > > that you can solicit for support on this." Thanks. |> |> We have been successful with Linux as a server, but we are still |looking for |> that one client to go linux on the desktop. |> |> As Carl said, call Dennis. I know we are offering 40hours of |on-site consulting |> for free (ie myself, Nate or Carl will sit at your site for 1 |week and be part |> of your helpdesk/support team). A greatly reduced hourly rate, etc... |> |> -- |We've been running Linux desktops on X-Terminals (and PC's running |as X-Terminals) |for quite a while. We don't need help, but I wouldn't mind our |operation being |used as a reference for others. Primary benefits are cost, cost, cost, |stability, controllability, and security. Did I mention cost? | |I would love to see others use Linux on the office desktop. It's |a bit lonely out here... | |Kent |_______________________________________________ |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, |Minnesota |http://www.mn-linux.org |tclug-list@mn-linux.org |https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list | From amy at real-time.com Tue Nov 6 12:41:14 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mutt/imap/maildir Message-ID: <20011106092233.C12886@real-time.com> In mutt, wow do you create imap folders on the server rather than in your local ~/Mail dir? -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From hvidsl at parknicollet.com Tue Nov 6 12:48:52 2001 From: hvidsl at parknicollet.com (Hvidsten, Leif) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sony VAIO laptop repairs? Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > Does anyone happen to know either a place where I > can buy parts > for these things, or a local repair shop that works on them? > (Laptop's long out of warranty, so no worries about voiding > anything..) There's an authorized Sony Repair Center right off Excelsior Blvd. - From Hwy 100, go east on Excelsior Blvd. You will see the big Sony sign on your left at the 36 1/2 St crossing. Here's the address: 4300 W 36-1/2 St St Louis Park MN 55416 And a couple of phone numbers: (800) 222-7669 or (952) 920-8000 I've brought my Trinitron TV there before to get the picture tube replaced. > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBO+gGMA0Fbeg2JuLNEQJ+tgCcCjGRnTxkvu/ftL+hf6pkrdnYmTYAniAm wqYNCxFQFvkMcDOltIqOuFoa =P4EC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- PRIVACY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain business confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. 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Primary benefits are cost, cost, cost, > stability, controllability, and security. Did I mention cost? > > I would love to see others use Linux on the office desktop. It's a bit lonely out here... You're not the only one. I've got a network up here of mostly-Red Hat boxen. (I can't take credit, though, as I inherited it from Ben Kochie.) Currently about 80-85% linux, but Windows still has about a dozen machines in its grip. (A dozen machines that are going to be looked at very closely in the very near future, thanks to a letter I received from Microsoft this morning "requesting" that we do a license audit.) -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Mr. Slippery From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Nov 6 13:02:32 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problem In-Reply-To: <000c01c16689$fc664cc0$d4cdfea9@amdk6pc>; from mcolivier@earthlink.net on Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 12:12:15AM -0600 References: <000c01c16689$fc664cc0$d4cdfea9@amdk6pc> Message-ID: <20011106105601.A1330@chuck.sistina.com> On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 12:12:15AM -0600, Marc Olivier wrote: > > ok, here is the situation with my request. I am going to pester Suse > Linux, since it is there product, adn they should support it. Thanks > to those who responded for the offers of help, I appreciate it. My > main thing right now is, when I go into konsole, and I type lp, I get > the following > > "Get_local_host: 'localhost' IP address not available!" edit your /etc/hosts file. At a minimun you need 127.0.0.1 localhost It's always nice to add your IP and a host.domain.com 192.168.1.11 yourhostname.yourbugusdomain.com > now, I can't get them out. What is happening? You're using SuSE, which means that if you edit those files and then at a later time run Yast it'll reset everything to the way it thinks it should be. Suse intends for you to ONLY admin your box with YaST. Though why ?nyone would use that thing is beyond me, it takes 10 times as long to use YaST and navigate through untill you find what you want. 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There will be one question in thier mind "Why can't I just use M$ Word?" because 99% of the corporate planet knows how to use that. I say et M$ have the desktop. And let's concentrate our energies on the server end. Specifically in middleware, and cross-platform file serving. There's good money in this area without all the HUGE overhead of supporting massive amounts of individual machines and non-technical users who can't understand why they need to "mount" a floppy or cdrom and don't want to understand it either. > >Carl Soderstrom >-- >Network Engineer >Real-Time Enterprises >(952) 943-8700 >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc Sysadmin, Prime Minister of Email, President of DLT Operations Internet RepairMan, Senior Packet Routing Supervisor, File Server Monkey this rest of this space intentionally left blank. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011106/371adae8/attachment.pgp From clay at fandre.com Tue Nov 6 13:05:19 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cracked power socket on IBM WorkPad? In-Reply-To: <20011106074033.I26087@real-time.com> References: <20011106074033.I26087@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1005066072.28101.62.camel@lildeb> Let me have your junk Thinkpad and I'll let you know... I used to repair those things in a past life. On Tue, 2001-11-06 at 07:40, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > on my z50 WorkPad (a MIPS-based subnotebook), the power socket doesn't seem > to be connected very well to the rest of the machine. if I just plug it in, > the charging light won't come on. to get external power working, I need to > actually apply downward pressure to the power plug, which pulls downward on > that socket. it seems to be getting worse, requiring more pressure to work > as time goes on. > > I've got a junk Thinkpad down in the basement with the same problem; so I > suspect something wrong with IBMs design. > > anyone ever seen this before, and know how to take one of these apart so I > can solder on the socket? (at least I'm guessing that's the way to fix it). > I tried taking it apart once, and couldn't figure out (trivially at least) > how to get more than the keyboard off. the motherboard is all sealed up > inside the main case it seems. > > Carl Soderstrom > -- > Insert witty comment here. > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Nov 6 13:05:51 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux VAR in Twin Cities In-Reply-To: <20011105235858.G29992@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 11:58:58PM -0600 References: <3BE6CE17.2E09F3DA@nextelpartners.com> <20011105221910.E12968@real-time.com> <20011105235858.G29992@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011106110200.C1330@chuck.sistina.com> On Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 11:58:58PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > >We have been successful with Linux as a server, but we are still looking for >that one client to go linux on the desktop. Training is one of the big hang-ups I think. As well as compatibility with other businesses. Get past this and you may make headway. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc Sysadmin, Prime Minister of Email, President of DLT Operations Internet RepairMan, Senior Packet Routing Supervisor, File Server Monkey this rest of this space intentionally left blank. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011106/3036dfcd/attachment.pgp From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Nov 6 17:01:50 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problem Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0F4@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> You need to add this line to /etc/hosts: 127.0.0.1 localhost > -----Original Message----- > From: John J. Trammell [mailto:trammell@trammell.dyndns.org] > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 7:44 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] problem > > > On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 12:12:15AM -0600, Marc Olivier wrote: > > ok, here is the situation with my request. I am going to > pester Suse > > Linux, since it is there product, adn they should support it. > > Erm, you're likely to get better support here on TCLUG. > > > Thanks to those who responded for the offers of help, I > appreciate it. > > So why didn't you respond to any of our posts? :-) > > > My main thing right now is, when I go into konsole, and I > type lp, I > > get the following "Get_local_host: 'localhost' IP address not > > available!" > > That sUx0rs. > What does your /etc/hosts file look like? > > > Now, I get this after setting host name as "linux" and > domain name as > > "localhost", and I have the network address as follows: > Network device > > =eth0 Setup method; Static address setup (because DHCP > won't take at > > all without an external server address for some reason) > > Prolly because DHCP means that you have to talk to a server > to get your host config info. Again I ask: is your ISP set > up to give you a dynamic address? Do you have a dialup, DSL, > cable, ISDN, what? > > > IP address=192.168.0.1 Subnet mask=255.255.255.0 > > Earlier, I had entered several addresses in the name server > list, and > > now, I can't get them out. What is happening? > > Very likely your name server addresses got put into > /etc/resolv.conf. One of your other posts mentions that you > have a dialup connection. If you're not connected to your > ISP, you're not going to be able to do much with that. > > I'm puzzled as to what you are trying to do. It sounds like > you're working on printing, some sort of ethernet setup > (eth0), some sort of dialup setup (modem mentioned > elsewhere), and some sort of name service stuff. I would > suggest the following to-do list, done in the following order: > > 1. Get your host configured correctly; IP address, et > cetera. 2. Get dialup networking going. That way you can use the > host on the net to read mail and update packages. > 3. Get printing going. > > -- > johntrammell@yahoo.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 > 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List > (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Nov 6 17:07:55 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux VAR in Twin Cities In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011106184827.C07D842DB@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > If anybody knows of a good ACT/Maximizer/Goldmine replacement that runs on > Linux, please let me know. No clue. But from personal experience, running apps like that off a Citrix Metaframe server isn't a bad soultion (If you don't mind bending over for Citrix AND Microsoft that is...) But the *NIX Citrix client works flawlessly compared to it's Windows counterpart. :) Metaframe isn't a total soultion for things like Quark and Photoshop though. But you can do 32 bit color, so you might be able to get away with it... Anyway...Citrix is a cool way to deal with Windows. But umm...it's still windows so it's not all that cool. :) Akkk...I have exceededmy smiley quota. ;-) - -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org/~zibby Bender: You just think that robots are machines built by humans to make their lifes easier. Fry: Well, aren't they? Bender: I've never made anyone's life easier and you know it! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjvoMHkACgkQ/PFCAPL3hQPx5gCcCLH4QOlbhn16EVfXFE8AzNbd xF0AoInAvLSoighfWsZ9QAek0p87XNVg =Zoph -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From loren at ensodex.com Tue Nov 6 17:10:50 2001 From: loren at ensodex.com (Loren Cahlander) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Free 3D Banshee card Message-ID: <3BE831EF.6070006@ensodex.com> Hello, We have a 3D Banshee card at our office that the drivers under NT have problems with Netscape. So, we have a card that we no longer need/use. Email me if you want it. You will have to come to our office in Arden Hills or wait until a Beerfest to pick it up. Loren From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Tue Nov 6 17:20:18 2001 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bruce Schneier still talking on Thursday? Message-ID: <15336.13932.495296.965465@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> ...subject line says it all... From thomas at stderr.net Tue Nov 6 17:23:33 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux VAR in Twin Cities In-Reply-To: <20011106110045.B1330@chuck.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 11:00:45AM -0600 References: <3BE6CE17.2E09F3DA@nextelpartners.com> <20011105221910.E12968@real-time.com> <20011106110045.B1330@chuck.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20011106202039.F48845@io.stderr.net> On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 11:00:45AM -0600, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 10:19:15PM -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > >I would really love to start supporting Linux on the corporate desktop. One > >way or another we need to deal with the end user; better to do it on > >something closer to our terms. :) > > You're a better man than I am. People don't _want_ to learn a new OS and > apps unless they are geeks like we are. There will be one question in thier > mind "Why can't I just use M$ Word?" because 99% of the corporate planet > knows how to use that. > > I say et M$ have the desktop. And let's concentrate our energies on the > server end. Specifically in middleware, and cross-platform file serving. > There's good money in this area without all the HUGE overhead of supporting > massive amounts of individual machines and non-technical users who can't > understand why they need to "mount" a floppy or cdrom and don't want to > understand it either. And I bet nobody here _REALLY_ wants to do tech support for regular users. Having worked for 3 months in Windows tech a few years ago I know that it would be hopeless. How are you going to tell them what to do when they have trouble setting up a dial-up connection in win95? -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From amy at real-time.com Tue Nov 6 17:26:04 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] creating databases for the web In-Reply-To: <004d01c166dc$b636af80$0238dccc@hutchtel.net>; from ray@lctn.k12.mn.us on Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 10:04:27AM -0600 References: <004d01c166dc$b636af80$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> Message-ID: <20011106132351.J12886@real-time.com> On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 10:04:27AM -0600, Raymond Norton (ray@lctn.k12.mn.us) wrote: > I am new to MySQL, so I am not sure what is available. I want to create db's that can be brought up via a web browser, so I can add information to them from any PC. What would I need in place to do this? You could use phpMyAdmin (www.phpmyadmin.org) - a php-based web interface to a mysql database. It's not really meant for end-users, but rather for database designers/maintainers. Otherwise, you'd probably have to write something in a language that will talk to mysql, like php, java/jsp, perl, etc. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Nov 6 17:26:33 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] creating databases for the web In-Reply-To: <004d01c166dc$b636af80$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> References: <004d01c166dc$b636af80$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> Message-ID: <20011106132212.A11599@wookimus.net> On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 10:04:27AM -0600, Raymond Norton wrote: > I am new to MySQL, And new to the list, so it seems. Welcome, and a reminder about HTML email. It's not welcome on email lists for two reasons. One, it adds unnecessary load to the email server. I'm certain that Bob would appreciate people refraining from adding useless attachments to their email (such as gifs). Two, not everyone wants or appreciates receiving gifs, jpegs, or HTML in their mailboxes. The netiquette rule is and should always be: use the least common denominator, that being text/plain. > so I am not sure what is available. I want to create db's that can be > brought up via a web browser, so I can add information to them from > any PC. What would I need in place to do this? phpmyadmin - A set of PHP-scripts to adminstrate MySQL over the WWW. phppgadmin - A set of PHP-scripts to adminstrate PostgreSQL over the WWW. Very generic. Works well. A bit of a security risk providing general access to your databases from any type of network accessible front-end. But you didn't ask me for a secure solution, just a solution. Have fun. ;-) -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I just got a message asking about details about Schneier's talk which, reminded me that I hadn't spammed this list with fact the talk has been re-scheduled ;). The talk [1] is now scheduled for 7:00 pm, November 15 in room 2-690 Moos tower on the UM East Bank campus. Spread the word to anyone who might be interested in coming. Also, the powers behind the Beer meetings might want to consider a Stadium village venue for the 15th - it seemed to work out pretty well for the Burk talk. 1. http://faircopyright.org/press/schneier.html -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org Cookies are tasty! |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://freesklyarov.org/ From estabroo at talkware.net Tue Nov 6 17:30:40 2001 From: estabroo at talkware.net (Eric Estabrooks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mutt/imap/maildir References: <20011106092233.C12886@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3BE83A4A.7090800@talkware.net> Amy Tanner wrote: > In mutt, wow do you create imap folders on the server rather than in your > local ~/Mail dir? > I don't know, what I usually do is create them in netscape and access them in mutt or log into the imap server and issue a create command. Eric From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Nov 6 17:53:29 2001 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Upcoming 'faircopyright' talk Message-ID: <20011106014852.E16600@ringworld.org> The Students for Fair Copyright is going to hold an event with Bruce Schneier talking about the DMCA. The talk is November 15th, at 7pm in Moos Tower room 2-690. Come early to be sure you can find parking and a seat. The room is pretty large, I think though. #include Please forward this email if you know other interested parties who would like to come to this talk. More information can be found at: http://www.faircopyright.org/ http://www.faircopyright.org/press/schneier.html -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Just say NO to Product Activation! From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Nov 6 17:54:59 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Demanded remote connection In-Reply-To: <200111052137.fA5Lbdn266152@pimout4-int.prodigy.net> References: <200111052137.fA5Lbdn266152@pimout4-int.prodigy.net> Message-ID: <20011106020139.H16600@ringworld.org> * Peter Clark [011105 19:07]: > Anyone know when a unified sound standard will appear for Linux? I'm tired Yeah, its called OSS/Free, its been in the kernel for a long time, and ALSA even supports it. Hardware that does multi-channel mixing (emu10k1) even support multiple opens of /dev/dsp. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Just say NO to Product Activation! From amy at real-time.com Tue Nov 6 21:15:09 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux VAR in Twin Cities In-Reply-To: <20011106184827.C07D842DB@slnx03.cs.umn.edu>; from zibby+tclug@ringworld.org on Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 12:48:22PM -0600 References: <20011106184827.C07D842DB@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011106171203.D13378@real-time.com> On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 12:48:22PM -0600, Andy Zbikowski (zibby+tclug@ringworld.org) wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > If anybody knows of a good ACT/Maximizer/Goldmine replacement that runs on > > Linux, please let me know. > > No clue. But from personal experience, running apps like that off a Citrix > Metaframe server isn't a bad soultion (If you don't mind bending over for > Citrix AND Microsoft that is...) Might be easier/cheaper to just run VMWare for any apps like that. Could put the data on a linux samba box. But, you'd still have to pay for VMWare,Windows, and ACT. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From florin at iucha.net Tue Nov 6 21:22:59 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Free 3D Banshee card In-Reply-To: <3BE831EF.6070006@ensodex.com>; from loren@ensodex.com on Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 12:54:39PM -0600 References: <3BE831EF.6070006@ensodex.com> Message-ID: <20011106172937.A7560@beaver.iucha.org> On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 12:54:39PM -0600, Loren Cahlander wrote: > Hello, > > We have a 3D Banshee card at our office that the drivers under NT have > problems with Netscape. So, we have a card that we no longer need/use. > Email me if you want it. You will have to come to our office in Arden > Hills or wait until a Beerfest to pick it up. 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Hit 's' to save the email in a new mailbox/folder. Give it the name of {imapserver}/INBOX.foldername and it'll create a folder for you. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From amy at real-time.com Tue Nov 6 21:25:43 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [OT] Reclaiming the Public Domain Lecture In-Reply-To: <20011106132954.B26337@gordo.space.umn.edu>; from crumley@belka.space.umn.edu on Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 01:29:54PM -0600 References: <20011003122220.B21735@gordo.space.umn.edu> <20011106132954.B26337@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011106173749.H13378@real-time.com> On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 01:29:54PM -0600, Jim Crumley (crumley@belka.space.umn.edu) wrote: > I just got a message asking about details about Schneier's talk > which, reminded me that I hadn't spammed this list with fact the > talk has been re-scheduled ;). The talk [1] is now scheduled for > 7:00 pm, November 15 in room 2-690 Moos tower on the UM East Bank > campus. Spread the word to anyone who might be interested in > coming. I'm sure this was posted previously, but what will be the topic of Schneier's talk? -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From chrome at real-time.com Tue Nov 6 21:46:07 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux VAR in Twin Cities In-Reply-To: <20011106110045.B1330@chuck.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 11:00:45AM -0600 References: <3BE6CE17.2E09F3DA@nextelpartners.com> <20011105221910.E12968@real-time.com> <20011106110045.B1330@chuck.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20011106184128.A17883@real-time.com> > You're a better man than I am. People don't _want_ to learn a new OS and > apps unless they are geeks like we are. this is where my assembler class finally paid off... I discovered the undocumented 'ecu' opcode on Intel processors. so a few bytes of to the correct UDP port, will execute the 'electrocute user' instruction, ridding myself of any pesky end-users who get out of hand and start demanding things like being able to do work with their computers. (I think there was a humor post going around during the early 80s, where someone talked about an 'electrocute programmer' opcode for a mainframe) > There will be one question in thier > mind "Why can't I just use M$ Word?" because 99% of the corporate planet > knows how to use that. true. still, there are a few rays of hope, in the form of the end users who've had MS products do too many wierd things to them, and are ready to ditch them. (generally provided that they don't need to think about it too hard, or if they have their hand held for several days; which is why Real-Time is offering that week of free onsite consulting time for the first company that is willing to give it a try). > I say et M$ have the desktop. And let's concentrate our energies on the > server end. actually, I think we're doing awfully well on the server side; not so well that we can rest on our laurels; but well enough that we should start to leverage that power onto the desktop. linux desktops work better with linux servers than MS desktops do. I think we're starting to see room for that to be exploited. > Specifically in middleware, what does 'middleware' mean to you? AFAIK, it's just another buzz-word that means whatever the salesdroid wants it to mean. > and cross-platform file serving. that's a losing battle, because you're always playing catchup, always fighting on someone else's terms. look what happened to OS/2. Linux on the desktop can help bypass that. > There's good money in this area without all the HUGE overhead of supporting > massive amounts of individual machines and non-technical users who can't > understand why they need to "mount" a floppy or cdrom and don't want to > understand it either. if you're a consultant, yes. if you're an admin in the trenches who'd rather get improvements done, rather than fight MS-user brushfires; i think most would rather have *nix on the desktop. Carl Soderstrom -- Insert witty comment here. From florin at iucha.net Tue Nov 6 22:11:56 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] creating databases for the web In-Reply-To: <004d01c166dc$b636af80$0238dccc@hutchtel.net>; from ray@lctn.k12.mn.us on Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 10:04:27AM -0600 References: <004d01c166dc$b636af80$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> Message-ID: <20011106130654.A19254@beaver.iucha.org> On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 10:04:27AM -0600, Raymond Norton wrote: > I am new to MySQL, so I am not sure what is available. I want to create db's that can be brought up via a web browser, so I can add information to them from any PC. What would I need in place to do this? > You will need not only a database server but an "application server" as well. The app server can be Apache with perl, php, jsp... The easiest way would be to pickup a php book and start playing with it. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011106/6256d945/attachment.pgp From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Nov 6 22:16:26 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux VAR in Twin Cities In-Reply-To: <20011106101321.A28141@sherohman.org> References: <3BE6CE17.2E09F3DA@nextelpartners.com> <20011105221910.E12968@real-time.com> <20011105235858.G29992@real-time.com> <3BE7E43F.7F2A0BBE@structural-wood.com> <20011106101321.A28141@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20011106133345.B11599@wookimus.net> On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 10:13:21AM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > Kochie.) Currently about 80-85% linux, but Windows still has about a > dozen machines in its grip. (A dozen machines that are going to be > looked at very closely in the very near future, thanks to a letter I > received from Microsoft this morning "requesting" that we do a license > audit.) Go with Citrix MetaFrame XP. Push out Windows desktop sessions to UNIX, Mac, DOS, or Linux clients on a need-to-access basis. Other things to do: * Shut off the Windows RDP protocol so that newer windows boxen can't request a session * Firewall off all incoming ports except the ICA ports through a DMZ of some kind. Microsoft has this awful licensing algorithm that locks up client licenses for months at a time, and you don't want to have to dump more $$$ into allocating licenses. * Use a Samba server to push out home directories, shared directories, and printers to the MetaFrame server. Users can then see all the same resources they do under Linux. * Set up static profiles for all users... NO WINDOWS ENVIONMENT CUSTOMIZATION. This cuts down on the number of problems you'll have. ** TRUST me on this one. 95% of the problems I had with a fully customizable profile environment was the custom profiles. ** * Use Perl to massage bad Registry management by certain software packages, including Office 97. Office 2k was supposed to be better about these things, but when you tie in static profiles, you still want to have *some* customization of the user environment. * Use Perl wrapper scripts to allocate "sessions" for per-use license restricted software. I was able to convince a software vendor to sell me a 5-client license under the premise that I had a license-server to regulate concurrent use. * Create generic users based on job profile. Provide the people with those job requirements with passwords to these users. This is a second way to regulate per-user/per-use licensed software. It guarantees that Jane Accountant only has access to the software she needs. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I was able to save this mail to a IMAP folder by hitting "s" then typing {blutgens@mail.sistina.com}INBOX/test-imap-folder hit enter, then it prompted for my password, and asked if I wanted to create the mailbox to which I answered "Y" I suspect if you set folder="{blutgens@mail.sistina.com}INBOX" then anything you'd "saved" would go into it's own Maildir. >-- >Amy Tanner >amy@real-time.com >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc Sysadmin, Prime Minister of Email, President of DLT Operations Internet RepairMan, Senior Packet Routing Supervisor, File Server Monkey this rest of this space intentionally left blank. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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And each VMWare workstation is a seperate install. With Citrix, you have two servers (take the big box you were thinking about getting, devide in half...) When you need to do something to them, disallow new logins to one server. Get it ready to reboot. Eventually there will be nobody on it, or you'll get bored and kick everyone. But they'll just reconnect to the other server. Repeate for other server. And if one has a hardware problem, the other is still going... Unless everyone is admining their own boxen, Citrix seems like a better soultion...but that's just me. :) I love VMWare myself. Cuts down on rebooting. I can just use my real windows install as a WinTendo... :) Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Wed Nov 7 01:39:13 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Petabytes Message-ID: <20011106215317.A11868@trammell.dyndns.org> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/22693.html Discuss amongst yourselves. -- johntrammell@yahoo.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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What would I need in place to do this? > > > Raymond Norton > > > > > > > Raymond Norton > LCTN > 320-234-0270 > > > > > > > Spencer Butler Twin Cities Open Systems http://tcos.stderr.net 6126368989@voicestream.net From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Nov 7 01:52:18 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: linux VAR in Twin Cities In-Reply-To: <20011106133345.B11599@wookimus.net> References: <3BE6CE17.2E09F3DA@nextelpartners.com> <20011105221910.E12968@real-time.com> <20011105235858.G29992@real-time.com> <3BE7E43F.7F2A0BBE@structural-wood.com> <20011106101321.A28141@sherohman.org> <20011106133345.B11599@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20011106234254.P16600@ringworld.org> * Chad C. Walstrom [011106 22:18]: > locks up client licenses for months at a time, and you don't want to Actually, its not nearly as bad as they added a strange month leeway and two times the licenses for one (sort-of). -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Just say NO to Product Activation! From seg at haxxed.mine.nu Wed Nov 7 01:54:48 2001 From: seg at haxxed.mine.nu (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Free 3D Banshee card References: <3BE831EF.6070006@ensodex.com> Message-ID: <3BE8CE0F.6000603@haxxed.mine.nu> Loren Cahlander wrote: > Hello, > > We have a 3D Banshee card at our office that the drivers under NT have > problems with Netscape. So, we have a card that we no longer need/use. > Email me if you want it. You will have to come to our office in Arden > Hills or wait until a Beerfest to pick it up. AGP or PCI? From jack at jacku.com Wed Nov 7 02:07:47 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Sony VAIO laptop repairs? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01110615531500.01024@geezer> On Monday 05 November 2001 23:19, you wrote: > On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, Scott Dier wrote: > > I would ebay for a broken/gutted one. > > Already tried. :( > > There's no part # on the cable, and nobody on Ebay has a F390 that I can > find.. There used to be a Sony Service Center in St Louis Park. I don't know if they are still there. It was on Excelsior Blvd. My Dad worked for Sony unitl 1990 and I at one time had a "vintage" Betamax that needed a belt. They had it but wanted way too much money for it. Of course your LCD cable would probably be worth the part cost. ;-) -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Nov 7 02:13:38 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux VAR in Twin Cities In-Reply-To: <20011106110045.B1330@chuck.sistina.com> References: <3BE6CE17.2E09F3DA@nextelpartners.com> <20011105221910.E12968@real-time.com> <20011106110045.B1330@chuck.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20011106160700.475e817b.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Ben Lutgens wrote: > > You're a better man than I am. People don't _want_ to learn a new OS and > apps unless they are geeks like we are. There will be one question in > thier mind "Why can't I just use M$ Word?" because 99% of the corporate > planet knows how to use that. But don't forget that it wasn't too long ago when WordPerfect had the dominant position. I'm always amazed that they've basically kept the same menu structure for so long. If you find a copy of WP for Windows, the menu layout is basically the same as what was on WP 5.1 on DOS! Anyone who became moderately talented with WP years ago wouldn't and then transitioned to Word would have little trouble getting back to how things were done in the past. At any rate, this is an example of Marketing 101, which I didn't know until Monday. I'm taking an MIS intro course (a prerequisite a better course, I hope), where I was shown a slide entitled `How to compete in the marketplace' or something similar. The first point was `Create high switching costs'. I just about fell off my chair. There were a few other points on that slide, none of which really said much about how to compete as a company, but rather how to keep others from competing with you (creating high barriers to entry was another point). It's going to be an interesting class... > I say et M$ have the desktop. And let's concentrate our energies on the > server end. Specifically in middleware, and cross-platform file serving. > There's good money in this area without all the HUGE overhead of > supporting massive amounts of individual machines and non-technical > users who can't understand why they need to "mount" a floppy or cdrom > and don't want to understand it either. Floppy? Wha? People use those things? We're talking about the `corporate desktop' here, not a public lab. I used to work in a company where less than a tenth of the PCs had floppy or CD-ROM drives. Removeable media is not necessary in most cases. All hail Steve Jobs ;-) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ "Very funny, Scotty. Now / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ beam down my clothes." \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The reality is if it works close enough to the existing software and the files can be moved with little or no problem the transition should be relativly painless. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From jack at jacku.com Wed Nov 7 02:24:18 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problem In-Reply-To: <20011106105601.A1330@chuck.sistina.com> References: <000c01c16689$fc664cc0$d4cdfea9@amdk6pc> <20011106105601.A1330@chuck.sistina.com> Message-ID: <01110616262102.01024@geezer> On Tuesday 06 November 2001 10:56, you wrote: > On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 12:12:15AM -0600, Marc Olivier wrote: > > ok, here is the situation with my request. I am going to pester Suse > > Linux, since it is there product, adn they should support it. Thanks > > to those who responded for the offers of help, I appreciate it. My > > main thing right now is, when I go into konsole, and I type lp, I get > > the following > > > > "Get_local_host: 'localhost' IP address not available!" > > edit your /etc/hosts file. At a minimun you need > 127.0.0.1 localhost > > It's always nice to add your IP and a host.domain.com > 192.168.1.11 yourhostname.yourbugusdomain.com > > > now, I can't get them out. What is happening? > > You're using SuSE, which means that if you edit those files and then at a > later time run Yast it'll reset everything to the way it thinks it should > be. Suse intends for you to ONLY admin your box with YaST. Though why > ?nyone would use that thing is beyond me, it takes 10 times as long to use > YaST and navigate through untill you find what you want. > > Perhaps you should give RedHat-7.2 a try. This is good advice up to the comment about YaST. It prefers that you use it to build the files. If you just create your own (Example I build my own resolv.conf file sometimes) YaST will show a warning during the SuSEConfig portion of the process (actually its SuSEConfig that creates the warning). It will create the file the way it wants with .SuSEConfig appended to the name. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com Resident SuSE Bigot. ;-) From jurupari at geocities.com Wed Nov 7 06:27:45 2001 From: jurupari at geocities.com (Mike) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.2 LILO and/or GRUB boot problem In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011030130502.014f0aa0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <3BDF2EEE.3185.3CAE7C@localhost> > I have had this exact problem! In my case, it was the IDE zip drive that > was causing the problem. You need to change the BIOS to "none" instead of > "autodetect". I would agree with the other respondents as well, be sure > your jumpers are set right (esp. that you have master or single set > correctly.). If you have any removable media on your IDE channels such as > the already mentioned zip drive, change the BIOS settings. Let us know how > it goes! I am not really sure what the problem was. It appeared to have been in the BIOS though. After screwing up the system trying to get it working I had to reinstall. I lost some data in the process. After formatting and reinstalling, I was left with the exact same problem. I didn't have a ZIP in the system either. Just the two new drives on the ATA/100 card, and one HDD on the primary IDE, and one CD-ROM on the secondary IDE. After an hour of messing with the BIOS the dang thing started working. I think the trick was messing with the boot order of my devices. It was set to the following: 1 - Removeables 2 - CR-ROM 3 - HDD 4 - Network That is the order I had both before and after I had the problems. The BIOS let me 'enter' the HDD entry and under that there were two options. The first said something like 'ISA/PCI cards' and the second was hard drives. I swapped the order and the system booted up with GRUB. I didn't even know that those options existed. You are the first person I have come across to have a similar problem. Good luck, From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Nov 7 08:10:17 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:04 2005 Subject: (was Re: [TCLUG] creating databases for the web) In-Reply-To: <20011106223113.A15357@Mail> References: <004d01c166dc$b636af80$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> <20011106223113.A15357@Mail> Message-ID: <20011107065656.A3046@wookimus.net> Raymond Norton (ray@lctn.k12.mn.us) wrote: I am new to MySQL, so I am not sure what is available. I want to create db's that can be brought up via a web browser, so I can add information to them from any PC. What would I need in place to do this? Spencer Butler wrote: MySQL and phpMyAdmin. Apache and Linux/BSD. That is all. Use a REAL Relational Database, not some uncompliant, difficult to manage, not fully written to UNIX Philosophy, hacker's wannabe database. Dump the MySQL for something that provides ACTUAL referential integrity, triggers, multiple procedural languages, better-than-row-level locking, replication, a fully mature client/server library, a fully mature console client (psql blows mysql out of the water, frankly), and true SQL92 compliance Use PostgreSQL! If I never see another MySQL installation it'll be too soon. Ah, shit, I have to see one at work today... #$!#$!#!%! 1. http://www.postgresql.org -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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About 8 years ago when we started moving > people to Windows 3.1 and Word for Windows 2.0. [..] so know we know who to blame... -- timothy r. lupfer tl@assimilated.org Familiarity breeds contempt--and children. -- Mark Twain From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Wed Nov 7 09:37:24 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [OT] Reclaiming the Public Domain Lecture In-Reply-To: <20011106173749.H13378@real-time.com> References: <20011003122220.B21735@gordo.space.umn.edu> <20011106132954.B26337@gordo.space.umn.edu> <20011106173749.H13378@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011107085556.A27640@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 05:37:49PM -0600, Amy Tanner wrote: > On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 01:29:54PM -0600, Jim Crumley (crumley@belka.space.umn.edu) wrote: > > I just got a message asking about details about Schneier's talk > > which, reminded me that I hadn't spammed this list with fact the > > talk has been re-scheduled ;). The talk [1] is now scheduled for > > 7:00 pm, November 15 in room 2-690 Moos tower on the UM East Bank > > campus. Spread the word to anyone who might be interested in > > coming. > > I'm sure this was posted previously, but what will be the topic of Schneier's > talk? Basically about why the DMCA is bad policy, in particular with regards to computer security research. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Cookies are tasty! |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://faircopyright.org/ From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Wed Nov 7 09:39:23 2001 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problem In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0F4@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0F4@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <15337.19314.976618.456694@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> >>>>> "JA" == Jay Austad writes: JA> You need to add this line to /etc/hosts: 127.0.0.1 localhost Actually, if you look at Marc's earlier message, you will see that he claims to have set the DOMAIN name to localhost, which could easily be goofing things up! R >> -----Original Message----- From: John J. Trammell >> [mailto:trammell@trammell.dyndns.org] Sent: Tuesday, November >> 06, 2001 7:44 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: >> [TCLUG] problem >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 12:12:15AM -0600, Marc Olivier wrote: > >> ok, here is the situation with my request. I am going to pester >> Suse > Linux, since it is there product, adn they should >> support it. >> >> Erm, you're likely to get better support here on TCLUG. >> >> > Thanks to those who responded for the offers of help, I >> appreciate it. >> >> So why didn't you respond to any of our posts? :-) >> >> > My main thing right now is, when I go into konsole, and I >> type lp, I > get the following "Get_local_host: 'localhost' IP >> address not > available!" >> >> That sUx0rs. What does your /etc/hosts file >> look like? >> >> > Now, I get this after setting host name as "linux" and domain >> name as > "localhost", and I have the network address as >> follows: Network device > =eth0 Setup method; Static address >> setup (because DHCP won't take at > all without an external >> server address for some reason) >> >> Prolly because DHCP means that you have to talk to a server to >> get your host config info. Again I ask: is your ISP set up to >> give you a dynamic address? Do you have a dialup, DSL, cable, >> ISDN, what? >> >> > IP address=192.168.0.1 Subnet mask=255.255.255.0 > Earlier, I >> had entered several addresses in the name server list, and > >> now, I can't get them out. What is happening? >> >> Very likely your name server addresses got put into >> /etc/resolv.conf. One of your other posts mentions that you >> have a dialup connection. If you're not connected to your ISP, >> you're not going to be able to do much with that. >> >> I'm puzzled as to what you are trying to do. It sounds like >> you're working on printing, some sort of ethernet setup (eth0), >> some sort of dialup setup (modem mentioned elsewhere), and some >> sort of name service stuff. I would suggest the following >> to-do list, done in the following order: >> >> 1. Get your host configured correctly; IP address, et cetera. >> 2. Get dialup networking going. That way you can use the host >> on the net to read mail and update packages. 3. Get printing >> going. >> >> -- johntrammell@yahoo.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 >> 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List >> (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org >> From loren at ensodex.com Wed Nov 7 09:40:35 2001 From: loren at ensodex.com (Loren Cahlander) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Free 3D Banshee card References: <3BE831EF.6070006@ensodex.com> Message-ID: <3BE94BD1.8010205@ensodex.com> Loren Cahlander wrote: > Hello, > > We have a 3D Banshee card at our office that the drivers under NT have > problems with Netscape. So, we have a card that we no longer > need/use. Email me if you want it. You will have to come to our > office in Arden Hills or wait until a Beerfest to pick it up. > > Loren > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > Jay Anderson got it. From amy at real-time.com Wed Nov 7 09:50:38 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux VAR in Twin Cities In-Reply-To: ; from zibby+tclug@ringworld.org on Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 09:30:08PM -0600 References: <20011106171203.D13378@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011107092516.J13378@real-time.com> On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 09:30:08PM -0600, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) (zibby+tclug@ringworld.org) wrote: > On Tue, 6 Nov 2001, Amy Tanner wrote: > > > Might be easier/cheaper to just run VMWare for any apps like that. Could > > put the data on a linux samba box. But, you'd still have to pay for > > VMWare,Windows, and ACT. > > Unless everyone is admining their own boxen, Citrix seems like a better > soultion...but that's just me. :) what does citrix cost these days? -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From hvidsl at parknicollet.com Wed Nov 7 09:51:56 2001 From: hvidsl at parknicollet.com (Hvidsten, Leif) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux VAR in Twin Cities Message-ID: > > > On Tue, 6 Nov 2001, Amy Tanner wrote: > > > Might be easier/cheaper to just run VMWare for any apps > like that. Could > > put the data on a linux samba box. But, you'd still have to pay for > > VMWare,Windows, and ACT. > > Well, if you think about it, the VMWare machines are down > unless they're > in use. That would make them rather hard to maintain. If you want to > maintain them while they're up and running, you can't just > fire up VMWare > on your local machine and boot the same Virtual hard disks. They're > locked. > > And each VMWare workstation is a seperate install. > > With Citrix, you have two servers (take the big box you were thinking > about getting, devide in half...) When you need to do > something to them, > disallow new logins to one server. Get it ready to reboot. Eventually > there will be nobody on it, or you'll get bored and kick everyone. But > they'll just reconnect to the other server. Repeate for other > server. And > if one has a hardware problem, the other is still going... > > Unless everyone is admining their own boxen, Citrix seems > like a better > soultion...but that's just me. :) Does anyone use SCO Tarantella for accessing an Exchange Server from a Linux box? I guess the licensing for it is quite a bit less than Citrix. PRIVACY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain business confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If this e-mail was not intended for you, please notify the sender by reply e-mail that you received this in error. Destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. From list at slushpupie.com Wed Nov 7 09:53:10 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bulk Mail Parse Message-ID: <001901c167a1$04b30040$ce0a1ec0@jay> At the company I work for, we have a "trap all" email account, which collects most every piece of mail sent here. On an average day, it recieves 15 to 20 thousand emails a day, and is stored in a standard POP account. Because a large number of these messages are server generated, all that is important is the sender email address and the subject line (for most anyway) Is there some way I can automate a process that goes through these emails, and creates a text file containing the email address and the subject line, without having to download the whole message? (in other words, one text file on my machine that would get very large very quickly- one line per email/subject) Some filtering capibilities would be nice, but not required. I can do that later with grep if need be. Any help or advice would be great. Jay From veldy at veldy.net Wed Nov 7 11:13:41 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Freebsd lovin' References: <20011105075917.C2749@real-time.com> Message-ID: <008401c167a2$963da5f0$3028680a@tgt.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom" To: Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 7:59 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Freebsd lovin' > > I thought that OS X was mach kernel based, making it a lightweight > > derivative of a BSD kernel, is that right? > not that I know of... I don't think I've heard anything like that. It is derived from the FreeBSD 3.x kernel in particular. I beleive they have incorporated many changes from 4.x as well. They (Apple) even hired Jordon Hubbard (a FreeBSD core member and founder) of the FreeBSD project to join the OSX development team. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net From thomas at stderr.net Wed Nov 7 11:36:13 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bulk Mail Parse In-Reply-To: <001901c167a1$04b30040$ce0a1ec0@jay>; from list@slushpupie.com on Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 09:29:40AM -0600 References: <001901c167a1$04b30040$ce0a1ec0@jay> Message-ID: <20011107175921.H48845@io.stderr.net> On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 09:29:40AM -0600, Jay Kline wrote: > At the company I work for, we have a "trap all" email account, which collects most every piece of mail sent here. On an average day, it recieves 15 to 20 thousand emails a day, and is stored in a standard POP account. Because a large number of these messages are server generated, all that is important is the sender email address and the subject line (for most anyway) Is there some way I can automate a process that goes through these emails, and creates a text file containing the email address and the subject line, without having to download the whole message? (in other words, one text file on my machine that would get very large very quickly- one line per email/subject) Some filtering capibilities would be nice, but not required. I can do that later with grep if need be. Yes, TMTOWTDI obviously, but this little piece of code gets me something like this: From: First Last Subject: whatever #!/usr/bin/perl -w use strict; use Net::POP3; use MIME::Head; my ($user, $pass, $host) = qw(username password localhost); my $pop = Net::POP3->new($host); $pop->user($user); my $msgs = $pop->pass($pass); unless ($msgs) { print "Couldn't connect to $host with $user\n"; $pop->quit(); exit 1; } for (my $i = 1; $i <= $msgs; $i++) { my $top = $pop->top($i, 0); my $head = MIME::Head->new; $head->header($top); # [1] print "From: ", $head->get('From'); print "Subject: ", $head->get('Subject'); } $pop->quit(); __END__ [1]: If you want filtering capabilities you put them in here. If Net::POP3 and/or MIME::Head aren't installed on your machine: perl -MCPAN -e'install Net::POP3' perl -MCPAN -e'install MIME::Head' -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Nov 7 11:37:38 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bulk Mail Parse Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE106@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> You can do this with IMAP. I think you just use the "LIST" command after connecting. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jay Kline [mailto:list@slushpupie.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 9:30 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Bulk Mail Parse > > > At the company I work for, we have a "trap all" email > account, which collects most every piece of mail sent here. > On an average day, it recieves 15 to 20 thousand emails a > day, and is stored in a standard POP account. Because a large > number of these messages are server generated, all that is > important is the sender email address and the subject line > (for most anyway) Is there some way I can automate a process > that goes through these emails, and creates a text file > containing the email address and the subject line, without > having to download the whole message? (in other words, one > text file on my machine that would get very large very > quickly- one line per email/subject) Some filtering > capibilities would be nice, but not required. I can do that > later with grep if need be. > > Any help or advice would be great. > > Jay > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From florin at iucha.net Wed Nov 7 11:38:56 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:05 2005 Subject: (was Re: [TCLUG] creating databases for the web) In-Reply-To: <20011107065656.A3046@wookimus.net>; from chewie@wookimus.net on Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 06:56:56AM -0600 References: <004d01c166dc$b636af80$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> <20011106223113.A15357@Mail> <20011107065656.A3046@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20011107110316.B7560@beaver.iucha.org> On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 06:56:56AM -0600, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > Use a REAL Relational Database, not some uncompliant, difficult > to manage, not fully written to UNIX Philosophy, hacker's wannabe > database. Dump the MySQL for something that provides ACTUAL referential > integrity, triggers, multiple procedural languages, > better-than-row-level locking, replication, a fully mature client/server ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Now, what's that supposed to mean? Attribute-level-locking? > library, a fully mature console client (psql blows mysql out of the > water, frankly), and true SQL92 compliance Use PostgreSQL! Ignore the trolls and use what suits you best. A flatfile if that does the job. Mysql doesn't offer those but it doesn't have the overhead either. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Because a large number of these messages are server > generated, all that is important is the sender email address and the > subject line (for most anyway) Is there some way I can automate a > process that goes through these emails, and creates a text file > containing the email address and the subject line, without having to > download the whole message? (in other words, one text file on my > machine that would get very large very quickly- one line per > email/subject) Some filtering capibilities would be nice, but not > required. I can do that later with grep if need be. > > Any help or advice would be great. Perl has a Mail::POP3Client package that looks about right. -- johntrammell@yahoo.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Of special interest may be the vacation program, since it keeps a list of email addresses the "vacation" message has already been sent too. It uses formail(1) and procmail(1) -- of course -- to do its work. Packages of interest: junkfilter - A junk-email filtering program for procmail lg-issue14 - Issue 14 of the Linux Gazette. lg-issue23 - Issue 23 of the Linux Gazette. lg-issue62 - Issue 62 of the Linux Gazette. lists-archives - Web archive for mailing lists procmail - Versatile e-mail processor. procmail-lib - A library of useful procmail recipes. smartlist - Versatile and Intelligent List Processor spamfilter - Filter spam from incoming mail -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Walstrom wrote: > > > Use a REAL Relational Database, not some uncompliant, difficult > > to manage, not fully written to UNIX Philosophy, hacker's wannabe > > database. Dump the MySQL for something that provides ACTUAL referential > > integrity, triggers, multiple procedural languages, > > better-than-row-level locking, replication, a fully mature client/server > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Now, what's that supposed to mean? Attribute-level-locking? > > > library, a fully mature console client (psql blows mysql out of the > > water, frankly), and true SQL92 compliance Use PostgreSQL! > > Ignore the trolls and use what suits you best. A flatfile if that does > the job. > > Mysql doesn't offer those but it doesn't have the overhead either. > > florin > > -- > > "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." > > 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From chrome at real-time.com Wed Nov 7 13:06:20 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS Word on MacOSX Message-ID: <20011107121906.A6360@real-time.com> I just found out that there's a beta version of MS Office for MacOSX. it's been available for a couple of weeks; and the guy I talked to says it's pretty reliable. the interesting thing is the way it does license checking... apparently it opens a TCP port and searches for other machines running Office with the same serial #. however, since OSX is BSD-based, someone wrote an ipfw script to block those ports; and with that running, the application thinks it's the only machine on the network with that software. :) has anyone heard of a project to make OSX binaries (ones with a native OSX GUI) run on linux? this could be the leverage needed to take over the desktop, and make migration from windows to *nix easier for companies. Carl Soderstrom -- Insert witty comment here. From ray at lctn.k12.mn.us Wed Nov 7 13:07:35 2001 From: ray at lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:05 2005 Subject: (was Re: [TCLUG] creating databases for the web) References: <004d01c166dc$b636af80$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> <20011106223113.A15357@Mail> <20011107065656.A3046@wookimus.net> <20011107110316.B7560@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <009f01c167b8$e2900fe0$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> At this point I simply want to keep tables of assigned IP's, serial #'s etc.. I travel between 17 school districts, and don't always remember to keep that info with me. I just want to bring up a browser, and either retrieve info, or add something new. I doubt I would ever have more then 100 records per db. Raymond Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: Florin Iucha To: Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 11:03 AM Subject: Re: (was Re: [TCLUG] creating databases for the web) From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Nov 7 13:12:04 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Advocacy (was Re: (was ...)) In-Reply-To: <20011107110316.B7560@beaver.iucha.org> References: <004d01c166dc$b636af80$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> <20011106223113.A15357@Mail> <20011107065656.A3046@wookimus.net> <20011107110316.B7560@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20011107124054.D11420@wookimus.net> On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 11:03:16AM -0600, Florin Iucha wrote: > Now, what's [better-than-row-level locking] supposed to mean? > Attribute-level-locking? Exerpt from http://www3.us.postgresql.org/features.html Multi-Version Concurrency Control (MVCC) for highly scalable concurrent applications: * Readers do not block writers and writers do not block readers. * "Better than row-level locking." * Various row and table level locks are available as well. Detail found at http://www3.us.postgresql.org/users-lounge/docs/7.1/user/mvcc.html > Ignore the trolls and use what suits you best. A flatfile if that does > the job. Agreed, use what does the job. I'm a huge proponent of text files. I wouldn't like the Debian system as much if I wasn't. Given a large dataset, with records numbering in the tens of thousands, a more scalable solution may be required. Thus, RDBMS's come into the picture. If you require an RDBMS, MySQL may fit the bill. After having worked with Informix, Sybase, and MSSQL, I'm used to features standard in commercial SQL Standards compliant databases. MySQL falls far short when compared to these. The developers of MySQL say as much. > Mysql doesn't offer those but it doesn't have the overhead either. I'm not sure what you're getting at. PostgreSQL doesn't have any greater overhead than MySQL. They're both "bloated" compared to flat files. ;-) There are many myths out there about PostgreSQL's speed, especially when you factor in the improvements to the 7.1 version over the 6.5. Regardless, the point is moot. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Finally, an mbox file capable of holding TCLUG mail. -Brian From florin at iucha.net Wed Nov 7 13:14:36 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bulk Mail Parse In-Reply-To: <001901c167a1$04b30040$ce0a1ec0@jay>; from list@slushpupie.com on Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 09:29:40AM -0600 References: <001901c167a1$04b30040$ce0a1ec0@jay> Message-ID: <20011107111116.C7560@beaver.iucha.org> On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 09:29:40AM -0600, Jay Kline wrote: > At the company I work for, we have a "trap all" email account, which collects most every piece of mail sent here. On an average day, it recieves 15 to 20 thousand emails a day, and is stored in a standard POP account. Because a large number of these messages are server generated, all that is important is the sender email address and the subject line (for most anyway) Is there some way I can automate a process that goes through these emails, and creates a text file containing the email address and the subject line, without having to download the whole message? (in other words, one text file on my machine that would get very large very quickly- one line per email/subject) Some filtering capibilities would be nice, but not required. I can do that later with grep if need be. > http://search.cpan.org/doc/GBARR/libnet-1.09/Net/POP3.pm http://search.cpan.org/doc/SDOWD/POP3Client-2.10/POP3Client.pm florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From molivier1 at excite.com Wed Nov 7 13:57:44 2001 From: molivier1 at excite.com (Marc Olivier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: problem Message-ID: <2341194.1005160140833.JavaMail.imail@squealer.excite.com> Sorry about not responding via the list, (and I missed some earlier messages). John you were right. Suse won't help unless I pay them, and it took quite a few e-mail messages from them before they just plain said that. I am reading the online manuals, and I'm going to keep a list of the different files and directories that get updated through YAST and YAST2, so I can track what is happening there. I have the internet connection working so I can get online with the Linux machine, but the IP addresses things just will not accept changes through YAST, so I guess I do have to do it directly with the files. I'm a little worried that I'll mess something up, but I have no files on the machine, so if that happens, I'll start all over again. Can I download Red Hat and Debian free from somewhere onto a Windows machine via DSL, so I can burn a CD of the OSs, and use them on the Linux machine? Marc On Tue, 6 Nov 2001 17:13:58 -0600, tclug-list@mn-linux.org wrote: > Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tclug-list-request@mn-linux.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: problem (John J. Trammell) > 2. Re: linux VAR in Twin Cities (Troy.A Johnson) > 3. RE: linux VAR in Twin Cities (James Spinti) > 4. mutt/imap/maildir (Amy Tanner) > 5. RE: Sony VAIO laptop repairs? (Hvidsten, Leif) > 6. creating databases for the web (Raymond Norton) > 7. Re: linux VAR in Twin Cities (Dave Sherohman) > 8. Re: problem (Ben Lutgens) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 07:43:32 -0600 > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] problem > From: "John J. Trammell" > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > --+QahgC5+KEYLbs62 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Disposition: inline > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 12:12:15AM -0600, Marc Olivier wrote: > > ok, here is the situation with my request. I am going to pester Suse > > Linux, since it is there product, adn they should support it. > > Erm, you're likely to get better support here on TCLUG. > > > Thanks to those who responded for the offers of help, I appreciate > > it. > > So why didn't you respond to any of our posts? :-) > > > My main thing right now is, when I go into konsole, and I type lp, > > I get the following "Get_local_host: 'localhost' IP address not > > available!" > > That sUx0rs. > What does your /etc/hosts file look like? > > > Now, I get this after setting host name as "linux" and domain name > > as "localhost", and I have the network address as follows: > > Network device =3Deth0 > > Setup method; Static address setup (because DHCP won't take at all > > without an external server address for some reason) > > Prolly because DHCP means that you have to talk to a server to get > your host config info. Again I ask: is your ISP set up to give you > a dynamic address? Do you have a dialup, DSL, cable, ISDN, what? > > > IP address=3D192.168.0.1 Subnet mask=3D255.255.255.0 > > Earlier, I had entered several addresses in the name server list, > > and now, I can't get them out. What is happening? > > Very likely your name server addresses got put into /etc/resolv.conf. > One of your other posts mentions that you have a dialup connection. > If you're not connected to your ISP, you're not going to be able to > do much with that. > > I'm puzzled as to what you are trying to do. It sounds like you're > working on printing, some sort of ethernet setup (eth0), some sort > of dialup setup (modem mentioned elsewhere), and some sort of name > service stuff. I would suggest the following to-do list, done in > the following order: > > 1. Get your host configured correctly; IP address, et cetera. > 2. Get dialup networking going. That way you can use the > host on the net to read mail and update packages. > 3. Get printing going. > > --=20 > johntrammell@yahoo.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > --+QahgC5+KEYLbs62 > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature > Content-Disposition: inline > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAjvn6QQACgkQ0GOQe6iOkkuH8QCeLyipmcvar2qqCzjzWKdqLe14 > JXQAoKBXQL+l8iHPhkw4db+X2xuUZ/zX > =eWf8 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > --+QahgC5+KEYLbs62-- > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 08:19:02 -0600 > From: "Troy.A Johnson" > To: > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] linux VAR in Twin Cities > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Kent, > > It might be _really_ nice to see a writeup of this setup, > a couple paragraphs describing the benefits, and a > limited cost/benefit analysis too (like Bob did for web > servers (I think)). You probably are a pretty busy guy > and don't have time to do this, but I have a feeling it > might provide an essential element of the cure for your > particular brand of "loneliness". > > This is the kind of "ammo" anyone could use at a business > to say "Look, this is how they did it and they saved money > here and here, and they also got these benefits. How much > is XP gonna cost you again?". :-) > > Have a great day, > > Troy > > >>> kent@structural-wood.com 11/06/01 07:23AM >>> > We've been running Linux desktops on X-Terminals (and PC's running as X-Terminals) > for quite a while. We don't need help, but I wouldn't mind our operation being > used as a reference for others. Primary benefits are cost, cost, cost, > stability, controllability, and security. Did I mention cost? > > I would love to see others use Linux on the office desktop. It's a bit lonely out here... > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > From: "James Spinti" > To: > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] linux VAR in Twin Cities > Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 08:46:53 -0600 > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > We are in the process of beginning a migration to Linux on the desktop here. > I have been talking to Dennis at Real-Time and feeding questions to Carl. > > If anybody knows of a good ACT/Maximizer/Goldmine replacement that runs on > Linux, please let me know. That and 2 proprietary packages are the only > things preventing a migration of everyone except HR and the Art department > (Quark on W2K). All of our accounting, order processing, etc takes place on > RS/6000s with IBM 3151 emulation, which Linux does very nicely, thank you. > So, most everything is e-mail, word processing, spreadsheets. Between WINE > and Open Office, we should be fine (he crosses his fingers...) > > Even some of my die hard MS lovers here are beginning to get sick of the > virus/worm of the week club and anti-virus software blowing away the print > spool in the middle of a 30 page print out :( > > > Thanks, > > James Spinti > jspinti at dartdist.com > 952-368-3278 x396 > fax 952-368-3255 > > |-----Original Message----- > |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Kent Schumacher > |Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 7:23 AM > |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > |Subject: Re: [TCLUG] linux VAR in Twin Cities > | > | > |Bob Tanner wrote: > |> > |> Quoting Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom (chrome@real-time.com): > |> > > Can > |> > > anyone suggest some local Value Added Resellers (VARs) that work with > |> > > linux in this capacity (LTSP)? Is this the kind of thing Real-Time > |> > > handles? I'd like to be able to say "Here are three > |different companies > |> > > that you can solicit for support on this." Thanks. > |> > |> We have been successful with Linux as a server, but we are still > |looking for > |> that one client to go linux on the desktop. > |> > |> As Carl said, call Dennis. I know we are offering 40hours of > |on-site consulting > |> for free (ie myself, Nate or Carl will sit at your site for 1 > |week and be part > |> of your helpdesk/support team). A greatly reduced hourly rate, etc... > |> > |> -- > |We've been running Linux desktops on X-Terminals (and PC's running > |as X-Terminals) > |for quite a while. We don't need help, but I wouldn't mind our > |operation being > |used as a reference for others. Primary benefits are cost, cost, cost, > |stability, controllability, and security. Did I mention cost? > | > |I would love to see others use Linux on the office desktop. It's > |a bit lonely out here... > | > |Kent > |_______________________________________________ > |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > |Minnesota > |http://www.mn-linux.org > |tclug-list@mn-linux.org > |https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > | > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 09:22:33 -0600 > From: Amy Tanner > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] mutt/imap/maildir > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > In mutt, wow do you create imap folders on the server rather than in your > local ~/Mail dir? > -- > Amy Tanner > amy@real-time.com > > --__--__-- > > Message: 5 > From: "Hvidsten, Leif" > To: "'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'" > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Sony VAIO laptop repairs? > Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 09:36:34 -0600 > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > Does anyone happen to know either a place where I > > can buy parts > > for these things, or a local repair shop that works on them? > > (Laptop's long out of warranty, so no worries about voiding > > anything..) > > There's an authorized Sony Repair Center right off Excelsior Blvd. > - From Hwy 100, go east on Excelsior Blvd. You will see the big Sony > sign on your left at the 36 1/2 St crossing. Here's the address: > > 4300 W 36-1/2 St St Louis Park MN 55416 > > And a couple of phone numbers: (800) 222-7669 or (952) 920-8000 > > I've brought my Trinitron TV there before to get the picture tube > replaced. > > > > > > -- > > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use > > iQA/AwUBO+gGMA0Fbeg2JuLNEQJ+tgCcCjGRnTxkvu/ftL+hf6pkrdnYmTYAniAm > wqYNCxFQFvkMcDOltIqOuFoa > =P4EC > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > PRIVACY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain business confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If this e-mail was not intended for you, please notify the sender by reply e-mail that you received this in error. Destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 6 > From: "Raymond Norton" > To: > Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 10:04:27 -0600 > Subject: [TCLUG] creating databases for the web > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C166AA.6B4FF440 > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="----=_NextPart_001_004A_01C166AA.6B4FF440" > > > ------=_NextPart_001_004A_01C166AA.6B4FF440 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > I am new to MySQL, so I am not sure what is available. I want to create = > db's that can be brought up via a web browser, so I can add information = > to them from any PC. What would I need in place to do this? > > > Raymond Norton > > > > > > > Raymond Norton > LCTN > 320-234-0270 > > > > > > > > > ------=_NextPart_001_004A_01C166AA.6B4FF440 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > http-equiv=3DContent-Type> href=3D"file://C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft = > Shared\Stationery\"> > > > > bgColor=3D#ffffff> >
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From: Dave Sherohman > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] linux VAR in Twin Cities > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 07:23:11AM -0600, Kent Schumacher wrote: > > We've been running Linux desktops on X-Terminals (and PC's running as X-Terminals) > > for quite a while. We don't need help, but I wouldn't mind our operation being > > used as a reference for others. Primary benefits are cost, cost, cost, > > stability, controllability, and security. Did I mention cost? > > > > I would love to see others use Linux on the office desktop. It's a bit lonely out here... > > You're not the only one. I've got a network up here of mostly-Red > Hat boxen. (I can't take credit, though, as I inherited it from Ben > Kochie.) Currently about 80-85% linux, but Windows still has about a > dozen machines in its grip. (A dozen machines that are going to be > looked at very closely in the very near future, thanks to a letter I > received from Microsoft this morning "requesting" that we do a > license audit.) > > -- > When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists > have already won. - reverius > > Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Mr. Slippery > > --__--__-- > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 10:56:01 -0600 > From: Ben Lutgens > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] problem > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > --82I3+IH0IqGh5yIs > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > Content-Disposition: inline > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 12:12:15AM -0600, Marc Olivier wrote: > > > > ok, here is the situation with my request. I am going to pester Suse > > Linux, since it is there product, adn they should support it. Thanks > > to those who responded for the offers of help, I appreciate it. My > > main thing right now is, when I go into konsole, and I type lp, I get > > the following > > > > "Get_local_host: 'localhost' IP address not available!" > > edit your /etc/hosts file. At a minimun you need > 127.0.0.1 localhost > > It's always nice to add your IP and a host.domain.com > 192.168.1.11 yourhostname.yourbugusdomain.com > > > now, I can't get them out. What is happening? > You're using SuSE, which means that if you edit those files and then at a > later time run Yast it'll reset everything to the way it thinks it should > be. Suse intends for you to ONLY admin your box with YaST. Though why > =E6nyone would use that thing is beyond me, it takes 10 times as long to use > YaST and navigate through untill you find what you want. > > Perhaps you should give RedHat-7.2 a try. > > > --=20 > Ben Lutgens > Sistina Software Inc=20 > Sysadmin, Prime Minister of Email, President of DLT Operations > Internet RepairMan, Senior Packet Routing Supervisor, File Server Monkey > > this rest of this space intentionally left blank. > > --82I3+IH0IqGh5yIs > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature > Content-Disposition: inline > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE76BYhLxkxGgLdGQgRAv2kAJ0euLWUjj1M+XMBWzilaVipRimaSwCbBEUK > xjHY7A0Uar/lQZc5vwD9J1E= > =hZLN > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > --82I3+IH0IqGh5yIs-- > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > End of tclug-list Digest _______________________________________________________ http://inbox.excite.com From mbresnah at visi.com Wed Nov 7 14:02:25 2001 From: mbresnah at visi.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] creating databases for the web In-Reply-To: <004d01c166dc$b636af80$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> Message-ID: I personally would use Apache and Tomcat. Apache is an Open Source web server. Tomcat is an Open Source application server that will allow you to write Java Servlets and/or Java Server Pages (JSP) to process the requests and access the database via the Java Database Connectivity API (JDBC) using the driver in the MySQL tarball. Both products are available at www.apache.org . Another Java option is to use one of the Java 2 Enterprise Edition (J2EE) implementations available. J2EE is bundling of Sun blessed Java specifications targeted as a _platform neutral_ general purpose development suite. It includes the core Java 2 SDK, JDBC, CORBA, XML, EJB, JSP, Servlets, and others. It has everything Apache+Tomcat provides plus a whole lot more. I think Sun (www.java.sun.com) has a free one as does Enhydra (www.enhydra.org). There are also commercial offerings like Websphere, Web Logic, and Dynamo. However, I'm guessing that full blown J2EE is overkill for what you're doing and I'm not sure how well any of them work with MySQL since its not SQL92 compliant. Is it even SQL89 compliant? You may need to consider a different RDBMS; maybe PostgreSQL (www.postgresql.org). Non Java options like PHP have been mentioned by other posters. I won't comment, because I have not used PHP for many years. I can tell you that I see a lot more job postings for J2EE skills than I do for PHP skills. Mike Bresnahan -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Raymond Norton Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 8:04 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] creating databases for the web I am new to MySQL, so I am not sure what is available. I want to create db's that can be brought up via a web browser, so I can add information to them from any PC. What would I need in place to do this? Raymond Norton Raymond Norton LCTN 320-234-0270 From mbresnah at visi.com Wed Nov 7 14:07:56 2001 From: mbresnah at visi.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:06 2005 Subject: (was Re: [TCLUG] creating databases for the web) In-Reply-To: <009f01c167b8$e2900fe0$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> Message-ID: How about simply keeping them in a text file and then accessing the file via FTP? Or you could simply use a Perl CGI script to store the records in a text file. I'm not convinced you require the complexity of a RDBMS. Do you need backup/recovery? ACID transactions? Declarative query language (SQL)? Query optimizer? Multiuser capability? If not, you don't need a RDBMS. If you already have one and know how to use it, then go ahead and use it, otherwise it's probably not worth the effort. Keep it simple. Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Raymond Norton > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 10:21 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: (was Re: [TCLUG] creating databases for the web) > > > At this point I simply want to keep tables of assigned IP's, serial #'s > etc.. I travel between 17 school districts, and don't always remember to > keep that info with me. I just want to bring up a browser, and either > retrieve info, or add something new. I doubt I would ever have > more then 100 > records per db. > > Raymond Norton > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbresnah at visi.com Wed Nov 7 14:22:46 2001 From: mbresnah at visi.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Advocacy (was Re: (was ...)) In-Reply-To: <20011107124054.D11420@wookimus.net> Message-ID: > Exerpt from http://www3.us.postgresql.org/features.html > > Multi-Version Concurrency Control (MVCC) for highly scalable > concurrent applications: > * Readers do not block writers and writers do not block readers. > * "Better than row-level locking." > * Various row and table level locks are available as well. > > Detail found at > http://www3.us.postgresql.org/users-lounge/docs/7.1/user/mvcc.html "Better than row-level locking" sounds like marketing spin to me. Just in case it's not already known to everyone reading, MVCC nor row-level-locking are the best in all cases. Both add overhead above and beyond standard multi-reader/one-writer page level locking. If your app doesn't make up for this by gaining more concurrency, then it will run slower and/or take up more disk space. For example, a single user application will certainly not gain anything from using any kind of concurrency control mechanism. Additionally, MVCC is geared toward applications with more readers than writers. Each write requires the data to be copied and thus writes take a long time. If you have more writers than readers, then you are likely to not be served well by MVCC. However, it is cool that PostgreSQL provides the MVCC option. (Trivia niblit: Object Design's ObjectStore also offers MVCC.) Mike Bresnahan From florin at iucha.net Wed Nov 7 15:07:25 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATAPI Zip In-Reply-To: <20011107190334.XSDP5495.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@there>; from cznews@att.net on Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 01:03:54PM -0600 References: <20011107190334.XSDP5495.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@there> Message-ID: <20011107142610.D7560@beaver.iucha.org> On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 01:03:54PM -0600, Carl Zeilon wrote: > Thanks for the help in getting my Man8.1/XP dual boot going succesfully. My > next problem is the zip drive. Mandrake reports that the device (hdb4) > doesn't exist when I try to mount it. I'm sure this has something to do with > there being no disk in the drive at start up. The designation of hdb is > correct & I read that Linux mounts zips as an extended partition, so the 4 > should be correct. How do I fix this? One more newbie thing, where is the > sound volume control? I know I saw it once, but I can't find it again! There is a command line mixer application called aumix. Or use KMix in KDE. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011107/676928c6/attachment.pgp From PCZeilon at att.net Wed Nov 7 15:10:57 2001 From: PCZeilon at att.net (Carl & Paula Zeilon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.2 LILO and/or GRUB boot problem In-Reply-To: <200111071852.fA7Iq6c01464@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011107142518.014ae150@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> There you go! I also boot from HDs on a promise card. Grub rules. LILO just can't handle this configuration I guess. > > I have had this exact problem! In my case, it was the IDE zip drive that > > was causing the problem. You need to change the BIOS to "none" instead of > > "autodetect". I would agree with the other respondents as well, be sure > > your jumpers are set right (esp. that you have master or single set > > correctly.). If you have any removable media on your IDE channels such as > > the already mentioned zip drive, change the BIOS settings. Let us know > how > > it goes! > >I am not really sure what the problem was. It appeared to have been in the >BIOS though. After screwing up the system trying to get it working I had to >reinstall. I lost some data in the process. After formatting and >reinstalling, I >was left with the exact same problem. I didn't have a ZIP in the system >either. >Just the two new drives on the ATA/100 card, and one HDD on the primary >IDE, and one CD-ROM on the secondary IDE. > >After an hour of messing with the BIOS the dang thing started working. I >think >the trick was messing with the boot order of my devices. It was set to the >following: > >1 - Removeables >2 - CR-ROM >3 - HDD >4 - Network > >That is the order I had both before and after I had the problems. The BIOS >let >me 'enter' the HDD entry and under that there were two options. The first >said >something like 'ISA/PCI cards' and the second was hard drives. I swapped the >order and the system booted up with GRUB. I didn't even know that those >options existed. You are the first person I have come across to have a >similar >problem. > >Good luck, From hvidsl at parknicollet.com Wed Nov 7 15:14:24 2001 From: hvidsl at parknicollet.com (Hvidsten, Leif) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Advocacy (was Re: (was ...)) Message-ID: So for someone who wants to learn relational database concepts (with no background other than M$ Access) and wants to learn PHP as well, would you recommend PostgreSQL over MySQL? I was planning to focus on using MySQL with PHP and Apache, would PostgreSQL be a better way to start? I'm very unfamiliar with these database technologies at the moment and would welcome any feedback. > > > On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 11:03:16AM -0600, Florin Iucha wrote: > > Now, what's [better-than-row-level locking] supposed to mean? > > Attribute-level-locking? > > Exerpt from http://www3.us.postgresql.org/features.html > > Multi-Version Concurrency Control (MVCC) for highly scalable > concurrent applications: > * Readers do not block writers and writers do not > block readers. > * "Better than row-level locking." > * Various row and table level locks are available as well. > > Detail found at > http://www3.us.postgresql.org/users-lounge/docs/7.1/user/mvcc.html > > > Ignore the trolls and use what suits you best. A flatfile > if that does > > the job. > > Agreed, use what does the job. I'm a huge proponent of text files. I > wouldn't like the Debian system as much if I wasn't. Given a large > dataset, with records numbering in the tens of thousands, a more > scalable solution may be required. Thus, RDBMS's come into > the picture. > If you require an RDBMS, MySQL may fit the bill. After having worked > with Informix, Sybase, and MSSQL, I'm used to features standard in > commercial SQL Standards compliant databases. MySQL falls far short > when compared to these. The developers of MySQL say as much. > > > Mysql doesn't offer those but it doesn't have the overhead either. > > I'm not sure what you're getting at. PostgreSQL doesn't have any > greater overhead than MySQL. They're both "bloated" compared to flat > files. ;-) There are many myths out there about PostgreSQL's speed, > especially when you factor in the improvements to the 7.1 version over > the 6.5. Regardless, the point is moot. > > -- > Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie > http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr > Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD > > PRIVACY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain business confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If this e-mail was not intended for you, please notify the sender by reply e-mail that you received this in error. Destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. From mbresnah at visi.com Wed Nov 7 16:31:58 2001 From: mbresnah at visi.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Advocacy (was Re: (was ...)) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I should have refreshed my memory before describing the disadvantages of MVCC. I don't believe the main problem is slow updates, rather it is the fact that writer conflicts result in all but one transaction being aborted; the prize goes to the early bird. This behavior is not friendly to long running transactions, because it is likely that they will be aborted. There is a discussion of the concepts in "Transaction Processing: Concepts and Techniques" by Jim Gray and Andreas Reuter. See the section on Time Domain Addressing. The book, written in 1993, mentions that PostgreSQL, among others, supports Time Domain Addressing. (Trivia niblit: Jim Gray now heads up the SQL Server team at Microsoft. Billy boy opened a special lab on the east coast as an incentive for him to join up.) I think we are thoroughly off topic now. Mike Bresnahan > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Mike Bresnahan > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 1:55 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Advocacy (was Re: (was ...)) > > > > Exerpt from http://www3.us.postgresql.org/features.html > > > > Multi-Version Concurrency Control (MVCC) for highly scalable > > concurrent applications: > > * Readers do not block writers and writers do not block readers. > > * "Better than row-level locking." > > * Various row and table level locks are available as well. > > > > Detail found at > > http://www3.us.postgresql.org/users-lounge/docs/7.1/user/mvcc.html > > "Better than row-level locking" sounds like marketing spin to me. > > Just in case it's not already known to everyone reading, MVCC nor > row-level-locking are the best in all cases. Both add overhead above and > beyond standard multi-reader/one-writer page level locking. If your app > doesn't make up for this by gaining more concurrency, then it will run > slower and/or take up more disk space. For example, a single user > application will certainly not gain anything from using any kind of > concurrency control mechanism. Additionally, MVCC is geared toward > applications with more readers than writers. Each write requires the data > to be copied and thus writes take a long time. If you have more writers > than readers, then you are likely to not be served well by MVCC. However, > it is cool that PostgreSQL provides the MVCC option. (Trivia > niblit: Object > Design's ObjectStore also offers MVCC.) > > Mike Bresnahan > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Nov 7 17:59:44 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Advocacy (was Re: (was ...)) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011107163630.F11420@wookimus.net> On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 02:27:11PM -0600, Hvidsten, Leif wrote: > So for someone who wants to learn relational database concepts (with > no background other than M$ Access) and wants to learn PHP as well, > would you recommend PostgreSQL over MySQL? I was planning to focus on > using MySQL with PHP and Apache, would PostgreSQL be a better way to > start? I'm very unfamiliar with these database technologies at the > moment and would welcome any feedback. I've had far better success doing fun things like subselects and inner/outer joins with PostgreSQL than with MySQL. Both will teach you the basics of RDBMS's, but PostgreSQL's syntax and command set will more closely resemble those of the commercially available RDBMS's, ones you will most likely run into in the non-"Free Beer" world. Honestly, as far as database administration goes, it's six in one hand, half-a-dozen in the other. I'll suggest PostgreSQL over MySQL because that's what I'm most comfortable with. PHP interfaces well with either one. A nice PHP library you should look at is called adodb[1]. It provides you with a single set of function calls to use, but let's you interface with either database -- as well as many others. PHPLib[2] and PEAR[3] will let you do the same type of thing as well. 1. http://php.weblogs.com/ADODB 2. http://phplib.sourceforge.net/ 3. http://sourceforge.net/projects/pearsession -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD From amy at real-time.com Wed Nov 7 18:04:15 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Start TLS Defined Message-ID: <20011107164631.P14597@real-time.com> Can someone explain what Start TLS is and why it's good? How is it related to SSL? And, how it is/can be used with openLDAP? Thanks. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From bradyh at bitstream.net Wed Nov 7 18:06:34 2001 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Advocacy (was Re: (was ...)) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1005173539.15251.29.camel@lis.llewellyn.com> I think mySQL is somewhat easier to setup and use at first but then this is based on the fact that I installed postgresql last week and I still haven't figured out how to log into it. Brady > So for someone who wants to learn relational database concepts (with no background other than M$ Access) and wants to learn PHP as well, would you recommend PostgreSQL over MySQL? I was planning to focus on using MySQL with PHP and Apache, would PostgreSQL be a better way to start? I'm very unfamiliar with these database technologies at the moment and would welcome any feedback. From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Wed Nov 7 18:08:57 2001 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mac addresses In-Reply-To: Message-ID: How do you find out the mac address of a particular machine under unix (irix, redhat) and under windoze 2k? Thanks Colin From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Nov 7 18:29:24 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Aww yeah, new box Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE10C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> My new linux box: Soyo K7V Dragon+ (8 IDE channels, 6 USB, onboard 6 channel surround with optical and coax digital in's and out's and the linux drivers are very full featured), onboard RealTek ethernet, 6 purple pci slots) Athlon XP 1700+ Abit T-400 Geforce2 w/ 64MB and quad rendering pipelines and tv out Western Digital ATA-133 60GB drive That shouldn't be too shabby. It will look nice in my black Antec SX1030B with superbright blue leds on the front. Bought it all from Mwave. Heading to Tran Micro to pick up at least 512MB of DDR tonight. Jay From amy at real-time.com Wed Nov 7 18:35:35 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PAM and IRIX Message-ID: <20011107161100.K14597@real-time.com> anyone know if IRIX supports PAM? -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Wed Nov 7 18:43:21 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: problem In-Reply-To: <2341194.1005160140833.JavaMail.imail@squealer.excite.com> Message-ID: |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Marc Olivier |Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 2:03 PM |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org |Subject: [TCLUG] Re: problem | Can |I download Red Hat and Debian free from somewhere onto a Windows |machine via |DSL, so I can burn a CD of the OSs, and use them on the Linux machine? | |Marc | Try www.linuxiso.org or the Redhat or Debian sites themselves or www.mn-linux.org in the downloads section. Or, go to Real Time and have Nate or Carl burn you a copy of RH 7.2 right off the server. Or, buy it from www.cheapbytes.com for a few bucks... From josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org Wed Nov 7 18:57:04 2001 From: josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Advocacy (was Re: (was ...)) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ok so for a beginner, why not use MySQL? I've seen plenty o' books in Borders that cover PHP+MySQL. While that wouldn't be my choice for an actual application it's certainly a place to start and if the book covers both explicitly in concert with each other so much the better. If you have time I'd recommend perl, mod_perl, and PostgreSQL together. But then I'm not a database geek so all I have to go on is the 'it scales better' sort of comments. This year I did web databases of ~33,000 records. Next year it will be ~6,000,000. Joshua b. Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 http://www.greentechnologist.org On Wed, 7 Nov 2001, Hvidsten, Leif wrote: > So for someone who wants to learn relational database concepts (with no background other than M$ Access) and wants to learn PHP as well, would you recommend PostgreSQL over MySQL? I was planning to focus on using MySQL with PHP and Apache, would PostgreSQL be a better way to start? I'm very unfamiliar with these database technologies at the moment and would welcome any feedback. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 11:03:16AM -0600, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > Now, what's [better-than-row-level locking] supposed to mean? > > > Attribute-level-locking? > > > > Exerpt from http://www3.us.postgresql.org/features.html > > > > Multi-Version Concurrency Control (MVCC) for highly scalable > > concurrent applications: > > * Readers do not block writers and writers do not > > block readers. > > * "Better than row-level locking." > > * Various row and table level locks are available as well. > > > > Detail found at > > http://www3.us.postgresql.org/users-lounge/docs/7.1/user/mvcc.html > > > > > Ignore the trolls and use what suits you best. A flatfile > > if that does > > > the job. > > > > Agreed, use what does the job. I'm a huge proponent of text files. I > > wouldn't like the Debian system as much if I wasn't. Given a large > > dataset, with records numbering in the tens of thousands, a more > > scalable solution may be required. Thus, RDBMS's come into > > the picture. > > If you require an RDBMS, MySQL may fit the bill. After having worked > > with Informix, Sybase, and MSSQL, I'm used to features standard in > > commercial SQL Standards compliant databases. MySQL falls far short > > when compared to these. The developers of MySQL say as much. > > > > > Mysql doesn't offer those but it doesn't have the overhead either. > > > > I'm not sure what you're getting at. PostgreSQL doesn't have any > > greater overhead than MySQL. They're both "bloated" compared to flat > > files. ;-) There are many myths out there about PostgreSQL's speed, > > especially when you factor in the improvements to the 7.1 version over > > the 6.5. Regardless, the point is moot. > > > > -- > > Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie > > http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr > > Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD > > > > > > PRIVACY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain business confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If this e-mail was not intended for you, please notify the sender by reply e-mail that you received this in error. Destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE76cqufexLsowstzcRAp84AJ0WEAYYkyYMsbvxEC+SI+LQj7zRsgCgnPYj Ps//CFHqIbYrDE1601+F1KA= =XykJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Nov 7 18:59:46 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATAPI Zip In-Reply-To: <20011107142610.D7560@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: Try modprobe ide-floppy. AFAIK, ATAPI Zip drives need this module to function under Linux. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org From markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net Wed Nov 7 19:02:01 2001 From: markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] stuck in windows hell References: <20011103200557.F12310@real-time.com> <3BE4FBEC.6070802@haxxed.mine.nu> <3BE58FCB.8F08D759@slava.net> <20011104181545.A1688@assimilated.org> Message-ID: <00d301c167e9$00bfdf60$1e02a8c0@zippy> For what it's worth . . . I just got back from Virginia Beach. I posed the plural question to some natives. The consensus is that the plural form is: All y'all. Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Lupfer" To: Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] stuck in windows hell >>>>> Lorry [Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 12:58:19PM -0600]: > Anyone miss me? no^H^Hof course! > 5) I grew up in the south and I can't stand "y'all" but what I can't > stand even more is when people misspell it "ya'll." In my opinion, a > separate "you" for plural and singular is not necessary. It isn't any > more confusing than saying "we" ("we" may or may not include "you") but > no one complains about that. I think it's funny that someone tried to > use "y'all" in the singular. hehe I would argue that it's "yall", as the apostrophe is well beyond the scope of the typical southern person. -- timothy r. lupfer tl@assimilated.org Familiarity breeds contempt--and children. -- Mark Twain _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From shorejsi at skypoint.com Wed Nov 7 19:07:33 2001 From: shorejsi at skypoint.com (Steve Horejsi) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mac addresses References: Message-ID: <3BE9D035.1000101@skypoint.com> Colin; Remote machine (on same subnet): ping, then arp -a Local machine (Linux): /sbin/ifconfig Local machine W2K: Not certain, but IIRC from NT, an ipconfig /ALL should tell you. -=[ Steve ]=- Colin Kilbane wrote: > How do you find out the mac address of a particular machine under unix > (irix, redhat) and under windoze 2k? > > Thanks > Colin > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > . > > From list at slushpupie.com Wed Nov 7 19:17:35 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Aww yeah, new box In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE10C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE10C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011108004226.CILN25950.femail13.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> And how much did that set you back? On Wednesday 07 November 2001 03:59 pm, you wrote: > My new linux box: > > Soyo K7V Dragon+ (8 IDE channels, 6 USB, onboard 6 channel surround with > optical and coax digital in's and out's and the linux drivers are very full > featured), onboard RealTek ethernet, 6 purple pci slots) > Athlon XP 1700+ > Abit T-400 Geforce2 w/ 64MB and quad rendering pipelines and tv out > Western Digital ATA-133 60GB drive > > That shouldn't be too shabby. It will look nice in my black Antec SX1030B > with superbright blue leds on the front. > > Bought it all from Mwave. Heading to Tran Micro to pick up at least 512MB > of DDR tonight. > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- Q: How do you keep a moron in suspense? From official-firestarter-flaming-from at stderr.net Wed Nov 7 19:24:11 2001 From: official-firestarter-flaming-from at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Aww yeah, new box In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE10C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 03:59:18PM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE10C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011108015333.B64644@io.stderr.net> On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 03:59:18PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > My new linux box: > > Soyo K7V Dragon+ (8 IDE channels, 6 USB, onboard 6 channel surround with > optical and coax digital in's and out's and the linux drivers are very full > featured), onboard RealTek ethernet, 6 purple pci slots) ^^^^^^ FEAR THE PURPLE PCI SLOTS!!!!! -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From mkroska at sirgo.net Wed Nov 7 20:00:08 2001 From: mkroska at sirgo.net (Mark Kroska) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mac addresses In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Under RedHat, the "ifconfig" command displays the network parameters (ip, subnet, broadcast, packets tx/rx, collisions, etc) and the MAC address of the interfaces. In Win2K, at a command prompt, "ipconfig /all" displays similar information as above, along with DHCP info, DNS servers, etc. (glad I could finally pipe up and answer a question!) Regards, MK On Wed, 7 Nov 2001, Colin Kilbane wrote: > How do you find out the mac address of a particular machine under unix > (irix, redhat) and under windoze 2k? > > Thanks > Colin > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- ___________________________________________________________ Sirgo, Inc. A member of the KDV Business Solutions Network ___________________________________________________________ Mark J. Kroska MIS Director 320.656.0765 Voice 888.447.3239 Toll Free 320.203.7052 Fax http://www.readynetgo.com mailto:mkroska@sirgo.net ___________________________________________________________ From florin at iucha.net Wed Nov 7 20:03:56 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Advocacy (was Re: (was ...)) In-Reply-To: <1005173539.15251.29.camel@lis.llewellyn.com>; from bradyh@bitstream.net on Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 04:52:19PM -0600 References: <1005173539.15251.29.camel@lis.llewellyn.com> Message-ID: <20011107190336.E7560@beaver.iucha.org> On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 04:52:19PM -0600, Brady Hegberg wrote: > I think mySQL is somewhat easier to setup and use at first but then this > is based on the fact that I installed postgresql last week and I still > haven't figured out how to log into it. PostgreSQL crash course: $ su - # su - postgres $ createuser -P enter password $ createdb $ logout # logout $ psql -u foo -P baz .... florin (*) like this, for instance: #local all peer sameuser #host all 127.0.0.1 255.0.0.0 ident sameuser host all 10.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 crypt -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011107/34b55faa/attachment.pgp From thomas at stderr.net Wed Nov 7 20:05:19 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Advocacy (was Re: (was ...)) In-Reply-To: ; from josh@kitten.greentechnologist.org on Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 05:58:35PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011108021026.D64644@io.stderr.net> On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 05:58:35PM -0600, Joshua b. Jore wrote: > Ok so for a beginner, why not use MySQL? I've seen plenty o' books in > Borders that cover PHP+MySQL. While that wouldn't be my choice for an > actual application it's certainly a place to start and if the book covers > both explicitly in concert with each other so much the better. That's what I would go with too if I was recommending someone starting with database. And there's a book from Paul Dubois on Perl and MySQL for the Web. > If you have time I'd recommend perl, mod_perl, and PostgreSQL together. > But then I'm not a database geek so all I have to go on is the 'it scales > better' sort of comments. This year I did web databases of ~33,000 > records. Next year it will be ~6,000,000. I did a bunch of applications with mod_perl using both Oracle, Postgresql, and Oracle and I absolutely love it! Hard for beginners though. A personal project of has "drivers" for all three databases: DnsZone (url in sig). -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From rahrenstorff at yahoo.com Wed Nov 7 20:14:16 2001 From: rahrenstorff at yahoo.com (Rodd Ahrenstorff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Quicktime and Linux? In-Reply-To: <20011102180822.C25388@real-time.com> References: <20011102180822.C25388@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200111080034.fA80Yqc06034@sprite.real-time.com> On Friday 02 November 2001 06:08 pm, you wrote: > I think I have asked this before, but is there a way to play quicktime > movies under Linux? Check this link. I didn't download the app yet but it may just do the trick. http://linux.davecentral.com/projects/quicktimeforlinux/ _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From rahrenstorff at yahoo.com Wed Nov 7 20:15:35 2001 From: rahrenstorff at yahoo.com (Rodd Ahrenstorff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mac addresses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200111080034.fA80Yqc06036@sprite.real-time.com> On Wednesday 07 November 2001 05:02 pm, you wrote: > How do you find out the mac address of a particular machine under unix > (irix, redhat) and under windoze 2k? > >I've got the same question. I have two NIC's in my Linux box and I setup my home network to share my cable modem connection with other win9x clients. I had to use the windoze 98 "winipcfg" to fing the MAC addresses but everything is working swell. > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From tanner at real-time.com Wed Nov 7 20:18:45 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SuSe expert Message-ID: <20011107193550.Z29651@real-time.com> I'm looking for a SuSe expert to maintain the SuSe ftp archive for the LUG. Must have static IP. Must have ssh. Please send me email privately. Thanks. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From fish at slava.net Wed Nov 7 20:22:51 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] stuck in windows hell References: <20011103200557.F12310@real-time.com> <3BE4FBEC.6070802@haxxed.mine.nu> <3BE58FCB.8F08D759@slava.net> <20011104181545.A1688@assimilated.org> <00d301c167e9$00bfdf60$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: <3BE9E361.F8D2CBCB@slava.net> I will not argue that people in north Florida (where I'm from) and east Texas (where my parents are from) are normal or sensible in any way, but I have never in my life heard anyone use "y'all" as a singular pronoun. "All y'all," in my experience, is a more assertive form of "y'all." e.g. "Y'all wanna go muddin' in the clay pits tonight?" "Kin Ah come too?" "All y'all kin come!" And to put this back on topic, I'm no longer stuck in windows hell. Thanks to Carl I have everything working now except email (which is why I'm in Windows at the moment). I think I have my .muttrc correct except I have forgotten my password, so I'm working on that. I know exim is not right, but one step at a time. :) Lorry Mark Browne wrote: > > For what it's worth . . . > I just got back from Virginia Beach. > I posed the plural question to some natives. > The consensus is that the plural form is: > All y'all. > > Mark Browne From doug at northlandstudios.com Wed Nov 7 20:27:31 2001 From: doug at northlandstudios.com (Doug) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Aww yeah, new box In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE10C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: So where did ya get the Antec SX1030B case??? I'm looking on mwave.com right now and don't see it listed. (I'm looking for the SX1040B myself) Is there anyplace in town that sells these? Doug -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Austad, Jay Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 3:59 PM To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' Subject: [TCLUG] Aww yeah, new box My new linux box: Soyo K7V Dragon+ (8 IDE channels, 6 USB, onboard 6 channel surround with optical and coax digital in's and out's and the linux drivers are very full featured), onboard RealTek ethernet, 6 purple pci slots) Athlon XP 1700+ Abit T-400 Geforce2 w/ 64MB and quad rendering pipelines and tv out Western Digital ATA-133 60GB drive That shouldn't be too shabby. It will look nice in my black Antec SX1030B with superbright blue leds on the front. Bought it all from Mwave. Heading to Tran Micro to pick up at least 512MB of DDR tonight. Jay _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Wed Nov 7 20:28:46 2001 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Aww yeah, new box In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE10C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: oooooooooooo....... From jack at jacku.com Wed Nov 7 20:30:03 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux VAR in Twin Cities In-Reply-To: <20011107071720.A1104@assimilated.org> References: <3BE6CE17.2E09F3DA@nextelpartners.com> <01110616181701.01024@geezer> <20011107071720.A1104@assimilated.org> Message-ID: <01110719514500.01250@geezer> On Wednesday 07 November 2001 07:17, you wrote: > >>>>> Jack Ungerleider [Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 04:18:17PM -0600]: > > > > On Tuesday 06 November 2001 11:00, you wrote: > > > mind "Why can't I just use M$ Word?" because 99% of the corporate > > > planet knows how to use that. > > > > You know I've heard this one before. About 8 years ago when we started > > moving people to Windows 3.1 and Word for Windows 2.0. [..] > > so know we know who to blame... I better invoke the Nuremburg defense... "I was only following orders." ;-) -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From dmblevins at mediaone.net Wed Nov 7 20:31:22 2001 From: dmblevins at mediaone.net (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Crash while formatting home Message-ID: I've been cutting my sysadmin teeth for two days now. I got my old P133 back from a friend and decided to make one more attempt at putting Linux at the center of my network. I had RH 6.1 on the P133 at one time, but X-Windows ran really slowly. This time, I'm moving my Win2k Pro to the 133 freeing up a P 700 for good ol' Red Hat. I've got everything moved and changed, all the disk switched etc. and the Win2k box up and running. Now I am installing Red Hat 7.1 and... It keeps crashing each time the installer gets to the formatting stage. The very last thing I see is 'Formatting /home filesystem', then it just hangs. Info: Doing a 'Server' install. Taking all the package groups. I have a new 20 gig hard disk that I prepared with one large Fat32 partition. I tried to install when the disk was fresh but got an error early on in the install process saying 'No partitions to install on' or something. I used the Western Digital EZ-Drive utility to partition the disk. Any ideas on how to get through or around this? David From jack at jacku.com Wed Nov 7 21:07:22 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: problem In-Reply-To: <2341194.1005160140833.JavaMail.imail@squealer.excite.com> References: <2341194.1005160140833.JavaMail.imail@squealer.excite.com> Message-ID: <01110720073001.01250@geezer> On Wednesday 07 November 2001 13:09, you wrote: > Sorry about not responding via the list, (and I missed some earlier > messages). John you were right. Suse won't help unless I pay them, and it > took quite a few e-mail messages from them before they just plain said > that. > > > I am reading the online manuals, and I'm going to keep a list of the > different files and directories that get updated through YAST and YAST2, so > I can track what is happening there. I have the internet connection working > so I can get online with the Linux machine, but the IP addresses things > just will not accept changes through YAST, so I guess I do have to do it > directly with the files. I'm a little worried that I'll mess something up, > but I have no files on the machine, so if that happens, I'll start all over > again. Can I download Red Hat and Debian free from somewhere onto a Windows > machine via DSL, so I can burn a CD of the OSs, and use them on the Linux > machine? > > Marc > A couple of things to be aware of with SuSE. Most of the configuration parameters edited with YAST/YAST2 are stored in the file /etc/rc.config This file is included at the start of all rc.d/init.d boot scripts. You can edit this file from YAST or YAST2 look for an option "Edit configuration file". Its near the bottom of the YAST main menu and in the System section of YAST2. In this file look for the IFCONFIG_# (Where #=0...3). These correspond to the parameters for ifconfig when the network rc script is run. There used to be an issue with YAST ignoring any other entries when you activated DHCP. I haven't seen this behavior since 6.2 but that doesn't mean it didn't come back. One other thing I just thought of while typing this is that check that the NIC is actually active in the hardware section. If its not nothing you do in the basic network setup will be used. If you want to email me your rc.config file off-list I'll be happy to take a look at it. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net Wed Nov 7 21:10:54 2001 From: markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Aww yeah, new box References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE10C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20011108015333.B64644@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <034901c167fa$df729d40$1e02a8c0@zippy> Can you be more specific as to the colored slot statement? Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Eibner" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Aww yeah, new box On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 03:59:18PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > My new linux box: > > Soyo K7V Dragon+ (8 IDE channels, 6 USB, onboard 6 channel surround with > optical and coax digital in's and out's and the linux drivers are very full > featured), onboard RealTek ethernet, 6 purple pci slots) ^^^^^^ FEAR THE PURPLE PCI SLOTS!!!!! -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Wed Nov 7 21:12:07 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] creating databases for the web (Was etc.) In-Reply-To: <009f01c167b8$e2900fe0$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> References: <004d01c166dc$b636af80$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> <20011107110316.B7560@beaver.iucha.org> <009f01c167b8$e2900fe0$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> Message-ID: <01110720134502.01250@geezer> On Wednesday 07 November 2001 12:20, you wrote: > At this point I simply want to keep tables of assigned IP's, serial #'s > etc.. I travel between 17 school districts, and don't always remember to > keep that info with me. I just want to bring up a browser, and either > retrieve info, or add something new. I doubt I would ever have more then > 100 records per db. > > Raymond Norton > > At the risk of being flamed for other reasons I'll suggest Zope for this task. It provides its own object database and can be managed via a through the web interface. It has some pre built apps that might fit your need. If all else fails there is small but reasonably active Zope/Python community here in town that I'm sure would help. (Tim, Nate - you'll back me up on this right? :-) -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From jack at jacku.com Wed Nov 7 21:15:57 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Advocacy (was Re: (was ...)) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01110720215503.01250@geezer> On Wednesday 07 November 2001 14:27, you wrote: > So for someone who wants to learn relational database concepts (with no > background other than M$ Access) and wants to learn PHP as well, would you > recommend PostgreSQL over MySQL? I was planning to focus on using MySQL > with PHP and Apache, would PostgreSQL be a better way to start? I'm very > unfamiliar with these database technologies at the moment and would welcome > any feedback. > Personally I like postgresql. But as others have said there is a lot more PHP+MySQL stuff out there than PostgreSQL anything. As far as I know Bruce Momjan book is still the only PostgreSQL book out, though some others are due RSN. So if you want to do this with a book in hand MySQL may be the way to go. That said if you are used to Access and want to "convert" your apps from Access to one or the other, I've found postgres a little simpler for this task. Mostly because if you have hard relationships in your Access app you can implement them with Postgres. I know the most recent version of MySQL was supposed to add support for this kind of thing but I haven't used it in a while and when I last tried it wasn't possible. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From clarson at iaxs.net Wed Nov 7 21:23:25 2001 From: clarson at iaxs.net (Chester Larson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tape drives Message-ID: <002b01c167f4$f44c3240$ce8486d1@default> Does anyone have any knowledge on Advantage tape drives from MicroNet Technology in California Model # ADV8--- Removable 88 88 MB C TIA Chet Larson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I had no end of troubles doing installs & upgrades with 7.1. Andy > David From jaredburns at acm.org Wed Nov 7 21:28:56 2001 From: jaredburns at acm.org (Jared Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Crash while formatting home In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02b7d19360208b1FE2@mail2.mn.rr.com> http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/ftp.php3 :) - Jared On Wed Nov 07 07:51 pm, you wrote: > I've been cutting my sysadmin teeth for two days now. I got my old P133 > back from a friend and decided to make one more attempt at putting Linux at > the center of my network. I had RH 6.1 on the P133 at one time, but > X-Windows ran really slowly. > > This time, I'm moving my Win2k Pro to the 133 freeing up a P 700 for good > ol' Red Hat. > > I've got everything moved and changed, all the disk switched etc. and the > Win2k box up and running. Now I am installing Red Hat 7.1 and... > > It keeps crashing each time the installer gets to the formatting stage. The > very last thing I see is 'Formatting /home filesystem', then it just hangs. > > Info: > Doing a 'Server' install. > Taking all the package groups. > I have a new 20 gig hard disk that I prepared with one large Fat32 > partition. I tried to install when the disk was fresh but got an error > early on in the install process saying 'No partitions to install on' or > something. > I used the Western Digital EZ-Drive utility to partition the disk. > > > Any ideas on how to get through or around this? > > > David > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From doughanson at mediaone.net Wed Nov 7 21:31:50 2001 From: doughanson at mediaone.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Crash while formatting home References: Message-ID: <003c01c167fe$f57f4f80$a928f518@mediaone.net> "I used the Western Digital EZ-Drive utility to partition the disk.' This may be your problem. It writes to the a signature to the MBR. Try Fdisk and see if you can blow it away. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Blevins" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 7:51 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Crash while formatting home > I've been cutting my sysadmin teeth for two days now. I got my old P133 > back from a friend and decided to make one more attempt at putting Linux at > the center of my network. I had RH 6.1 on the P133 at one time, but > X-Windows ran really slowly. > > This time, I'm moving my Win2k Pro to the 133 freeing up a P 700 for good > ol' Red Hat. > > I've got everything moved and changed, all the disk switched etc. and the > Win2k box up and running. Now I am installing Red Hat 7.1 and... > > It keeps crashing each time the installer gets to the formatting stage. The > very last thing I see is 'Formatting /home filesystem', then it just hangs. > > Info: > Doing a 'Server' install. > Taking all the package groups. > I have a new 20 gig hard disk that I prepared with one large Fat32 > partition. I tried to install when the disk was fresh but got an error > early on in the install process saying 'No partitions to install on' or > something. > I used the Western Digital EZ-Drive utility to partition the disk. > > > Any ideas on how to get through or around this? > > > David > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From thomas at stderr.net Wed Nov 7 21:34:31 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Crash while formatting home In-Reply-To: ; from dmblevins@mediaone.net on Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 07:51:53PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011108040401.E64644@io.stderr.net> On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 07:51:53PM -0600, David Blevins wrote: > Info: > Doing a 'Server' install. > Taking all the package groups. > I have a new 20 gig hard disk that I prepared with one large Fat32 > partition. I tried to install when the disk was fresh but got an error > early on in the install process saying 'No partitions to install on' or > something. You're trying to install it onto the Fat32 Partition? -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From fish at slava.net Wed Nov 7 22:17:16 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] spoke too soon Message-ID: <3BE9F610.241BECC6@slava.net> I take it back. Everything is not working right. First thing: I installed Everybuddy last night. It worked. I used it. Everything was fine. I tried to run it today and it said I had an incorrect name or password. I re-entered my name and password and restarted Everybuddy. Same thing. I noticed someone on my list I didn't want on there anymore and I tried to delete them. Everybuddy crashed. This is a newer version than I used to have. Is this a major Everybuddy bug or is this my computer? What do I do? Second thing: I installed Star Office 6.0 Beta today. I ran it. It worked. Everything was fine. I closed it and tried to run it again later. I get an error: "Display can do XRender, but no libXrender.so installed. Please install for improved display performance." Then I get a window that pops up and says Star Office can't run because I'm missing the .sversionrc file. I apt-cache search libxrender and it gives me xlibs, which is already installed. What am I missing? Not too shabby considering the number of things I installed, though. :) Lorry From thomas at stderr.net Wed Nov 7 22:25:24 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Aww yeah, new box In-Reply-To: <034901c167fa$df729d40$1e02a8c0@zippy>; from markbrowne@mn.mediaone.net on Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 08:12:47PM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE10C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20011108015333.B64644@io.stderr.net> <034901c167fa$df729d40$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: <20011108042456.F64644@io.stderr.net> On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 08:12:47PM -0600, Mark Browne wrote: > Can you be more specific as to the colored slot statement? If it wasn't clear to you; I was just wondering why he mentions PURPLE pci slots, I'm sure the pci cards couldn't care less and it's certainly not something I would care about. Maybe I'm missing some feature of the purple pci slots? -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From tl at assimilated.org Wed Nov 7 22:26:39 2001 From: tl at assimilated.org (Tim Lupfer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Aww yeah, new box In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE10C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE10C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011107212812.B936@assimilated.org> >>>>> Austad, Jay [Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 03:59:18PM -0600]: > My new linux box: [...overly elaborate toy...] that's nothing, I have a pentium 166 with that new mmx technology thing! it gives me that extra edge when experiencing multimedia@#$ -- timothy r. lupfer tl@assimilated.org Familiarity breeds contempt--and children. -- Mark Twain From tl at assimilated.org Wed Nov 7 22:29:10 2001 From: tl at assimilated.org (Tim Lupfer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Crash while formatting home In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011107213117.C936@assimilated.org> >>>>> David Blevins [Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 07:51:53PM -0600]: > I used the Western Digital EZ-Drive utility to partition the disk. If I'm not mistaken EZ-Drive is likely the problem, I've heard numerous people complain of this same problem, and I believe the EZ-Drive software itself states that it is not linux compatible. -- timothy r. lupfer tl@assimilated.org Familiarity breeds contempt--and children. -- Mark Twain From gabe at msi.umn.edu Wed Nov 7 22:30:29 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PAM and IRIX In-Reply-To: <20011107161100.K14597@real-time.com>; from amy@real-time.com on Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 04:11:00PM -0600 References: <20011107161100.K14597@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011107214028.B11179@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 04:11:00PM -0600, Amy Tanner wrote: > anyone know if IRIX supports PAM? IRIX doesn't ship with PAM, if that's what you're asking, but PAM does work on IRIX. SGI has even made it easy (or hard, depending on how you look at it) for you and put up a PAM package on freeware.sgi.com (click on 'Aphabetical...' and scroll down to PAM. It appears to be current as of Oct. 12. Gabe -- Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu From dmblevins at mediaone.net Wed Nov 7 22:34:15 2001 From: dmblevins at mediaone.net (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Crash while formatting home In-Reply-To: <20011108040401.E64644@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: The 'Server' install avenue blows away your old partitions, whatever they may be, and repartitions the disk to use 100 if its capacity. At least it's supposed to. > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Thomas Eibner > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 9:04 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Crash while formatting home > > > On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 07:51:53PM -0600, David Blevins wrote: > > Info: > > Doing a 'Server' install. > > Taking all the package groups. > > I have a new 20 gig hard disk that I prepared with one large Fat32 > > partition. I tried to install when the disk was fresh but got an error > > early on in the install process saying 'No partitions to install on' or > > something. > > You're trying to install it onto the Fat32 Partition? > > -- > Thomas Eibner DnsZone > mod_pointer > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dmblevins at mediaone.net Wed Nov 7 23:25:26 2001 From: dmblevins at mediaone.net (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Crash while formatting home In-Reply-To: Message-ID: My CD burner is on the box I am trying to install Linux on, so I won't be able to burn it. I've never done a network install, but I'll give it a shot if nothing else seems to work. I also have RH 5.1, 6, and 6.1 lying around. I wonder if it might be just as easy to install one of those then just upgrade to 7.2, skipping 7.1 completely. -David > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of andy@theasis.com > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 9:35 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Crash while formatting home > > > > Any ideas on how to get through or around this? > > Use RedHat 7.2. I had no end of troubles doing installs & upgrades with > 7.1. > > Andy > > > David > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dmblevins at mediaone.net Wed Nov 7 23:31:57 2001 From: dmblevins at mediaone.net (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Crash while formatting home In-Reply-To: <003c01c167fe$f57f4f80$a928f518@mediaone.net> Message-ID: So how much space should I give to each of the mount points with a 20 gig disk, 512 mb RAM, and intended server use? > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Doug Hanson > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 8:42 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Crash while formatting home > > > "I used the Western Digital EZ-Drive utility to partition the disk.' > > This may be your problem. It writes to the a signature to the MBR. Try > Fdisk and see if you can blow it away. > > Doug > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Blevins" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 7:51 PM > Subject: [TCLUG] Crash while formatting home > > > > I've been cutting my sysadmin teeth for two days now. I got my old P133 > > back from a friend and decided to make one more attempt at putting Linux > at > > the center of my network. I had RH 6.1 on the P133 at one time, but > > X-Windows ran really slowly. > > > > This time, I'm moving my Win2k Pro to the 133 freeing up a P > 700 for good > > ol' Red Hat. > > > > I've got everything moved and changed, all the disk switched > etc. and the > > Win2k box up and running. Now I am installing Red Hat 7.1 and... > > > > It keeps crashing each time the installer gets to the formatting stage. > The > > very last thing I see is 'Formatting /home filesystem', then it just > hangs. > > > > Info: > > Doing a 'Server' install. > > Taking all the package groups. > > I have a new 20 gig hard disk that I prepared with one large Fat32 > > partition. I tried to install when the disk was fresh but got an error > > early on in the install process saying 'No partitions to install on' or > > something. > > I used the Western Digital EZ-Drive utility to partition the disk. > > > > > > Any ideas on how to get through or around this? > > > > > > David > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Wed Nov 7 23:35:44 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] spoke too soon In-Reply-To: <3BE9F610.241BECC6@slava.net> References: <3BE9F610.241BECC6@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011108044900.LLJK10845.femail7.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> I used to use Everybuddy all the time, but found it was just not very stable yet. I like the concept, but it will be a while before I try it again. You should try Gaim. I am using v0.11pre15 (they have made many new releases since then) and I almost never have any troubles with it (except when MSN decides to act up). Gaim works off a plug-in idea, making it easy to add/remove protocols. The only trouble is the orginzation it a little harder when you have some people with multiple accounts, but nothing unbarable. http://gaim.sourceforge.net/ On Wednesday 07 November 2001 09:03 pm, you wrote: > I take it back. Everything is not working right. > > First thing: I installed Everybuddy last night. It worked. I used it. > Everything was fine. I tried to run it today and it said I had an > incorrect name or password. I re-entered my name and password and > restarted Everybuddy. Same thing. I noticed someone on my list I > didn't want on there anymore and I tried to delete them. Everybuddy > crashed. This is a newer version than I used to have. Is this a major > Everybuddy bug or is this my computer? What do I do? > > Second thing: I installed Star Office 6.0 Beta today. I ran it. It > worked. Everything was fine. I closed it and tried to run it again > later. I get an error: > "Display can do XRender, but no libXrender.so installed. > Please install for improved display performance." > Then I get a window that pops up and says Star Office can't run because > I'm missing the .sversionrc file. > I apt-cache search libxrender and it gives me xlibs, which is already > installed. What am I missing? > > Not too shabby considering the number of things I installed, though. :) > > Lorry > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- Chicken Little was right. From dmblevins at mediaone.net Wed Nov 7 23:37:03 2001 From: dmblevins at mediaone.net (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Crash while formatting home In-Reply-To: <02b7d19360208b1FE2@mail2.mn.rr.com> Message-ID: Nice screen shots at that website. Is there anything in any of those screen shots that Red Hat can't do? > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jared Burns > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 8:37 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Crash while formatting home > > > http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/ftp.php3 :) > > - Jared > > On Wed Nov 07 07:51 pm, you wrote: > > I've been cutting my sysadmin teeth for two days now. I got my old P133 > > back from a friend and decided to make one more attempt at > putting Linux at > > the center of my network. I had RH 6.1 on the P133 at one time, but > > X-Windows ran really slowly. > > > > This time, I'm moving my Win2k Pro to the 133 freeing up a P > 700 for good > > ol' Red Hat. > > > > I've got everything moved and changed, all the disk switched > etc. and the > > Win2k box up and running. Now I am installing Red Hat 7.1 and... > > > > It keeps crashing each time the installer gets to the > formatting stage. The > > very last thing I see is 'Formatting /home filesystem', then it > just hangs. > > > > Info: > > Doing a 'Server' install. > > Taking all the package groups. > > I have a new 20 gig hard disk that I prepared with one large Fat32 > > partition. I tried to install when the disk was fresh but got an error > > early on in the install process saying 'No partitions to install on' or > > something. > > I used the Western Digital EZ-Drive utility to partition the disk. > > > > > > Any ideas on how to get through or around this? > > > > > > David > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Nov 7 23:38:23 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Aww yeah, new box Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE113@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > And how much did that set you back? Around $650. Not too shabby for a box that should last me quite awhile. Jay > From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Nov 7 23:39:46 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Aww yeah, new box Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE114@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> I bought my case from egghead.com for $95 +$7 shipping. I don't think they have it anymore though, and I'm pretty sure they don't have that shipping deal either. Otherwise, directron.com and buy.com both have the sx1030b. Directron even has their own version of it which is a deeper black for $20 less. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug [mailto:doug@northlandstudios.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 7:47 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Aww yeah, new box > > > So where did ya get the Antec SX1030B case??? I'm looking on > mwave.com right > now and don't see it listed. (I'm looking for the SX1040B > myself) Is there > anyplace in town that sells these? > > Doug > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Austad, Jay > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 3:59 PM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: [TCLUG] Aww yeah, new box > > > My new linux box: > > Soyo K7V Dragon+ (8 IDE channels, 6 USB, onboard 6 channel > surround with > optical and coax digital in's and out's and the linux drivers > are very full > featured), onboard RealTek ethernet, 6 purple pci slots) > Athlon XP 1700+ > Abit T-400 Geforce2 w/ 64MB and quad rendering pipelines and tv out > Western Digital ATA-133 60GB drive > > That shouldn't be too shabby. It will look nice in my black > Antec SX1030B > with superbright blue leds on the front. > > Bought it all from Mwave. Heading to Tran Micro to pick up > at least 512MB > of DDR tonight. > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Nov 7 23:42:26 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Aww yeah, new box Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE115@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> http://65.119.30.151/productimage/13-139-104-02.JPG The board just looks sweet. :) Plus, it performs as well as it looks. Hardocp.com has some links to reviews of it, and benchmarks, and it's a very impressive board. 3 of my co-workers have them, and they do work excellent. Sure, the board won't be viewable from the outside, but it will look nice on the inside with my yellow rounded cables, and my Geforce2 T-400 with the black PCB. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas Eibner [mailto:thomas@stderr.net] > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 9:25 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Aww yeah, new box > > > On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 08:12:47PM -0600, Mark Browne wrote: > > Can you be more specific as to the colored slot statement? > > If it wasn't clear to you; I was just wondering why he mentions PURPLE > pci slots, I'm sure the pci cards couldn't care less and it's > certainly > not something I would care about. > > Maybe I'm missing some feature of the purple pci slots? > > -- > Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From eng at pinenet.com Wed Nov 7 23:53:38 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:10 2005 Subject: More Old "War Stories" (Was: [TCLUG] vi vs. emacs) In-Reply-To: <01102921113800.00849@geezer> References: <20011029105751.A7960@rephil.org> <01102921113800.00849@geezer> Message-ID: <20011031.4561400@linwin.mshome.net> I hung out at Otto Schmitt's lab at the U. a little before that time. He got the first Altair (dip switch booted and cassette tape) but I didn't get much time on it. The color monitor was quite a marvel. He also worked on 3D renditions and proposed medical home care applications. He had more great ideas than he could handle. Of course he invented digital electronics. A wonderful time had by all. The Epson QX-10 was my first gem. Only two 256K floppies, but it excelled over Apple with a hi-res graphics daughter-board. In real mode, long (10 minutes) programs made you want to kick the computer to see if it was still on. The screen was blank until people would say, "Ahhh" and a 3D picture would slowly emerge. Apple Basic was quite powerful, and interfacing the system transformed scientific instrumentation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 10/29/01, 9:11:38 PM, Jack Ungerleider wrote regarding Re: More Old "War Stories" (Was: [TCLUG] vi vs. emacs): > On Monday 29 October 2001 10:57, you wrote: > > On Sat, Oct 27, 2001 at 12:35:14PM -0500, Daniel Taylor wrote: > > > On 27 Oct 2001, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > > > Andrew Nemchenko writes: > . > > > > > The command line was a line number based BASIC interpreter or worse. > > > 480x320 graphics was really good, and only used by scientists and > > > gamers. The IBM PC with MSDOS wasn't due till 81. > > > > You've forgotten entirely about Altair and all the CP/M systems out there. > > > One of the coolest CP/M systems I ever used was put out by Sony. It had great > graphics for its day. I built a "Booth Locator" system for the National > Association of Broadcasters convention in '84 on one of these. It was > programmed entirely in BASIC. The system had 64K of RAM, I think, and two > 3.5" Floppies that held... gee I don't remember but it wasn't the 720K that > we associate with PC/MS-DOS DSDD 3.5" diskettes. > > > In the 70's Harddrives were spec'd out in small numbers of Megabytes, > > > memory was allocated by the Kilobyte, and 9600 bd was fast. > > > > Yes, but they weren't bloated -- one could implement an accounting > > package for a mid-sized company in 8k of memory. Really! > > > One of my first programming jobs that paid was to cleanup an "ATM Simulator" > for one of the big banks in the Philadelphia area. We used a 6502 board > designed as a video card for an 8088 system. It originally had 2K RAM and a > 2K character set EPROM. The maker modified the board to accept a card with 2 > or 3 additional 2K EPROMs. We did it with room to spare. ;-) > > > > Phil "Do not fold, spindle, or mutilate" Mendelsohn ;) > -- > Jack Ungerleider > jack@jacku.com > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From eng at pinenet.com Thu Nov 8 01:27:24 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SuSe expert Message-ID: <01C167E4.04B72380.eng@pinenet.com> I completely do not qualify. But thank you for the initiative. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Tanner [SMTP:tanner@real-time.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 7:36 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] SuSe expert I'm looking for a SuSe expert to maintain the SuSe ftp archive for the LUG. Must have static IP. Must have ssh. Please send me email privately. Thanks. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tl at assimilated.org Thu Nov 8 01:34:31 2001 From: tl at assimilated.org (Tim Lupfer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] spoke too soon In-Reply-To: <20011108044900.LLJK10845.femail7.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> References: <3BE9F610.241BECC6@slava.net> <20011108044900.LLJK10845.femail7.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Message-ID: <20011107234352.A880@assimilated.org> >>>>> Jay Kline [Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 10:44:05PM -0600]: > I used to use Everybuddy all the time, but found it was just not very stable > yet. I like the concept, but it will be a while before I try it again. You > should try Gaim. I am using v0.11pre15 (they have made many new releases > since then) and I almost never have any troubles with it (except when MSN > decides to act up). Gaim works off a plug-in idea, making it easy to > add/remove protocols. The only trouble is the orginzation it a little harder > when you have some people with multiple accounts, but nothing unbarable. > > http://gaim.sourceforge.net/ I'll second that, everybuddy has always randomly crashed on me, whilst gaim remains running like a champ. Gaim seems to also be much further along in development, and has implemented more features for each protocol than everybuddy has (especially aim). -- timothy r. lupfer tl@assimilated.org Familiarity breeds contempt--and children. -- Mark Twain From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Nov 8 01:36:00 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Crash while formatting home In-Reply-To: References: <003c01c167fe$f57f4f80$a928f518@mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20011107235514.258f4743.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "David Blevins" wrote: > > So how much space should I give to each of the mount points with a 20 gig > disk, 512 mb RAM, and intended server use? Hmm. It depends. I suspect you'll need less than 5 GB for the system, so maybe make a 5GB root partition, then create a /home partition (or other partitions) from the rest. Your mileage may vary -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ DUMP: DUMP IS DONE / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011108/5162943c/attachment.pgp From dmblevins at mediaone.net Thu Nov 8 01:39:25 2001 From: dmblevins at mediaone.net (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Crash while formatting home In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, RH 6.1 is installing packages as we speak. I never choked once. What the heck happened between 6.1 and 7.1 to make this such a problem? David > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of David Blevins > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 10:20 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Crash while formatting home > > > My CD burner is on the box I am trying to install Linux on, so I won't be > able to burn it. I've never done a network install, but I'll > give it a shot > if nothing else seems to work. > > I also have RH 5.1, 6, and 6.1 lying around. I wonder if it might be just > as easy to install one of those then just upgrade to 7.2, skipping 7.1 > completely. > > -David > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of andy@theasis.com > > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 9:35 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Crash while formatting home > > > > > > > Any ideas on how to get through or around this? > > > > Use RedHat 7.2. I had no end of troubles doing installs & upgrades with > > 7.1. > > > > Andy > > > > > David > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From thomas at stderr.net Thu Nov 8 01:46:17 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Aww yeah, new box In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE115@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 11:00:25PM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE115@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011108074732.H64644@io.stderr.net> On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 11:00:25PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > http://65.119.30.151/productimage/13-139-104-02.JPG > > The board just looks sweet. :) Plus, it performs as well as it looks. > Hardocp.com has some links to reviews of it, and benchmarks, and it's a very > impressive board. 3 of my co-workers have them, and they do work excellent. > > Sure, the board won't be viewable from the outside, but it will look nice on > the inside with my yellow rounded cables, and my Geforce2 T-400 with the > black PCB. :) It looks kinda weird with those purple slots, I like my Abit VP6 muuuch better: http://www.thetechzone.com/reviews/motherboards/abit/vp6/Image053.jpg Sweeeeet with the two PIII 1GHz's on it. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From doughanson at mediaone.net Thu Nov 8 04:13:28 2001 From: doughanson at mediaone.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] InstallFest References: Message-ID: <001701c161ca$658fde60$a928f518@mediaone.net> $10.00, I am in, I love Pizza (and beer) Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Munir Nassar" To: "Twin Cities Linux User Group" Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 5:30 PM Subject: [TCLUG] InstallFest > I am still looking for places to host the installfest, and now that the > AFCSME strike is over MCTC is a viable option again. I talked to Dana, > the Network Administrator at MCTC and he is amiable to the idea and has > suggested a few Rooms that we can use. > > The question is: There may be a charge for using the room, it will > probably be not much but since the TC-LUG tresury(sp?) has active funds of > about $0s would you be willing to chip in $10 a head for rent and -if > there is enough left over- Pizza and Drinks? > > -Munir > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Thu Nov 8 09:01:24 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Aww yeah, new box In-Reply-To: ; from doug@northlandstudios.com on Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 07:47:16PM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE10C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011108075131.A18534@beaver.iucha.org> On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 07:47:16PM -0600, Doug wrote: > So where did ya get the Antec SX1030B case??? I'm looking on mwave.com right > now and don't see it listed. (I'm looking for the SX1040B myself) Is there > anyplace in town that sells these? I have got a black Antec 1035 (350W PS) from Compusa in Minnetonka yesterday. It is $129 there. Last night I have transfered all my stuff from the old case to this one and it went smooth. It is a GREAT case! Very easy to work with. florin PS: If someone wants a dirt cheap full tower ATX case with a 250 W PS, let me know :) -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In case > anyone hasn't heard, IBM officially announced the donation of Eclipse to the > open source community yesterday. > > > Cruise on over to www.eclipse.org to download a build (stable or nightly). > The SDK includes the Eclipse platform, Java IDE, integrated debugger, and CVS > tooling among other things. > Man, it's COOL. I have tried all the IDEs out there and got back to vim. But this is snappy and has a lot of sensible features. I have played also with it's big brother (WSAD) and I saw it's capabilities. When will IBM release the source code for it and under what license? And b) Where the heck is the "project" definition stored? Only in that small ".classpath" file? And c) What level of integration with ant is there? I read in the docs that it can run ant build files. But can it generate ant build files and keep them in sync with my whishes (project contents and dependencies)? 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Linux does not really need it, as long as enough of the hard drive is visible to the BIOS to let the system boot (the /boot partition). I have installed Slack 7.1 and Slack 8 on a 486 with EZ-Drive with a little work. But if you don't need a large Windows partition then you can do without EZ-Drive, and life will be simpler. Glenn McDavid mailto:gmcdavid@winternet.com http://www.winternet.com/~gmcdavid From PaulHarris at Bigfoot.com Thu Nov 8 09:16:00 2001 From: PaulHarris at Bigfoot.com (Paul Harris) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cheap Memory Message-ID: <20011108145052.8090.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Hi all, Just thought I'd point out that OfficeDepot is having a sale on PNY 128MB memory. PC66/100 or PC133 is available for $20, less a $15 rebate, so $5 a stick! This is at the downtown Minneapolis store, don't know about the others. Cheers, Paul 256MB happy From mbutler2 at mmm.com Thu Nov 8 09:23:12 2001 From: mbutler2 at mmm.com (mbutler2@mmm.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PAM and IRIX Message-ID: True- IRIX doesn't ship with PAM, and it is on the website, but it's kind of a point of contention within SGI, as to whether or not PAM should be supported or even used on IRIX. Given that, the PAM implementation is apparently unsupported in many respects and is also apprently not going to be given a high priority either. But that's just rumor...... Sorry for the gossip, mbutler On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 04:11:00PM -0600, Amy Tanner wrote: > anyone know if IRIX supports PAM? IRIX doesn't ship with PAM, if that's what you're asking, but PAM does work on IRIX. SGI has even made it easy (or hard, depending on how you look at it) for you and put up a PAM package on freeware.sgi.com (click on 'Aphabetical...' and scroll down to PAM. It appears to be current as of Oct. 12. Gabe From tanner at real-time.com Thu Nov 8 09:30:54 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DOM Viewer under Mozilla-0.9.5? Message-ID: <20011030231259.I2684@real-time.com> Anyone know how to activate the DOM Viewer under Mozilla-0.9.5? It's under the debug option and when I choose it, it just sends me to this: chrome://communicator/content/domviewer/DOMDataSourceViewer.xul -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From colin at lautverschiebung.org Thu Nov 8 10:17:38 2001 From: colin at lautverschiebung.org (colin schaub) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Eclipse In-Reply-To: <20011108075620.B18534@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: IBM/Eclipse shut down the downloads because demand was too high and they are moving it to a higher bandwidth pipe. anyone have the download i can grab from somewhere? colin. On Thu, 8 Nov 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 08:33:08PM -0600, Jared Burns wrote: > > Hola. > > > > A little while back, I mentioned that Eclipse was "coming soon." In case > > anyone hasn't heard, IBM officially announced the donation of Eclipse to the > > open source community yesterday. > > > > > > Cruise on over to www.eclipse.org to download a build (stable or nightly). > > The SDK includes the Eclipse platform, Java IDE, integrated debugger, and CVS > > tooling among other things. > > > > Man, it's COOL. I have tried all the IDEs out there and got back to vim. > > But this is snappy and has a lot of sensible features. I have played also with > it's big brother (WSAD) and I saw it's capabilities. > > When will IBM release the source code for it and under what license? > > And b) Where the heck is the "project" definition stored? Only in that small > ".classpath" file? > > And c) What level of integration with ant is there? I read in the docs that > it can run ant build files. But can it generate ant build files and keep them > in sync with my whishes (project contents and dependencies)? > > Big thanks, > florin > > PS: Any java coders out there, check it out! > > From petre.scheie at nextelpartners.com Thu Nov 8 10:24:05 2001 From: petre.scheie at nextelpartners.com (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Freebsd lovin' In-Reply-To: <008401c167a2$963da5f0$3028680a@tgt.com> References: <20011105075917.C2749@real-time.com> <008401c167a2$963da5f0$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20011108.15201300@gromit.> IIRC, the Next OS, which Steve Jobs started when he left Apple, was based on Mach. And then around the time Jobs came back to Apple, Apple bought Next, which by that time had dumped its hardware and was working only on software. Don't know what happened to the OS after that. Petre Scheie >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 11/7/01, 9:40:53 AM, "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote regarding Re: [TCLUG] Freebsd lovin': > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 7:59 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Freebsd lovin' > > > I thought that OS X was mach kernel based, making it a lightweight > > > derivative of a BSD kernel, is that right? > > not that I know of... I don't think I've heard anything like that. > It is derived from the FreeBSD 3.x kernel in particular. I beleive they > have incorporated many changes from 4.x as well. They (Apple) even hired > Jordon Hubbard (a FreeBSD core member and founder) of the FreeBSD project to > join the OSX development team. > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From veldy at veldy.net Thu Nov 8 10:35:34 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Advocacy (was Re: (was ...)) References: Message-ID: <004d01c1686c$a657c090$3028680a@tgt.com> MySQL is easier with PHP, for one reason, it is much easier to get the value of an autoincrement key for a row you just inserted. PostgreSQL is rather lacking in this respect. So, for somebody new, use MySQL -- then migrate -- keep things generic. Over time, you get to learn both. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hvidsten, Leif" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 2:27 PM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Advocacy (was Re: (was ...)) > So for someone who wants to learn relational database concepts (with no background other than M$ Access) and wants to learn PHP as well, would you recommend PostgreSQL over MySQL? I was planning to focus on using MySQL with PHP and Apache, would PostgreSQL be a better way to start? I'm very unfamiliar with these database technologies at the moment and would welcome any feedback. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 11:03:16AM -0600, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > Now, what's [better-than-row-level locking] supposed to mean? > > > Attribute-level-locking? > > > > Exerpt from http://www3.us.postgresql.org/features.html > > > > Multi-Version Concurrency Control (MVCC) for highly scalable > > concurrent applications: > > * Readers do not block writers and writers do not > > block readers. > > * "Better than row-level locking." > > * Various row and table level locks are available as well. > > > > Detail found at > > http://www3.us.postgresql.org/users-lounge/docs/7.1/user/mvcc.html > > > > > Ignore the trolls and use what suits you best. A flatfile > > if that does > > > the job. > > > > Agreed, use what does the job. I'm a huge proponent of text files. I > > wouldn't like the Debian system as much if I wasn't. Given a large > > dataset, with records numbering in the tens of thousands, a more > > scalable solution may be required. Thus, RDBMS's come into > > the picture. > > If you require an RDBMS, MySQL may fit the bill. After having worked > > with Informix, Sybase, and MSSQL, I'm used to features standard in > > commercial SQL Standards compliant databases. MySQL falls far short > > when compared to these. The developers of MySQL say as much. > > > > > Mysql doesn't offer those but it doesn't have the overhead either. > > > > I'm not sure what you're getting at. PostgreSQL doesn't have any > > greater overhead than MySQL. They're both "bloated" compared to flat > > files. ;-) There are many myths out there about PostgreSQL's speed, > > especially when you factor in the improvements to the 7.1 version over > > the 6.5. Regardless, the point is moot. > > > > -- > > Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie > > http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr > > Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD > > > > > > PRIVACY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain business confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If this e-mail was not intended for you, please notify the sender by reply e-mail that you received this in error. Destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From wilson at visi.com Thu Nov 8 10:37:11 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Eclipse In-Reply-To: <20011108075620.B18534@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Nov 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > > Cruise on over to www.eclipse.org to download a build (stable or nightly). > > The SDK includes the Eclipse platform, Java IDE, integrated debugger, and CVS > > tooling among other things. > > > > Man, it's COOL. I have tried all the IDEs out there and got back to vim. So if I understand it correctly, this isn't a Java-only IDE, right? Theoretically it can be extended to support other languages via plugins? Frankly, the Web site seemed a bit confusing to me, but I wasn't on a computer with PDF reader at the time. I'd love to try Eclipse with Python. Is this a possibility down the road? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From list at slushpupie.com Thu Nov 8 10:38:35 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Eclipse In-Reply-To: <20011108075620.B18534@beaver.iucha.org> References: <061af05330208b1FE8@mail8.mn.rr.com> <20011108075620.B18534@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20011108155146.COES25950.femail13.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> AAHH! They moved the downloads off? Florin, do you still have the download? I want to check it out. Jay -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- You are as I am with You. From hvidsl at parknicollet.com Thu Nov 8 10:40:00 2001 From: hvidsl at parknicollet.com (Hvidsten, Leif) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Advocacy (was Re: (was ...)) Message-ID: Thanks for the tips! > > On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 02:27:11PM -0600, Hvidsten, Leif wrote: > > So for someone who wants to learn relational database concepts (with > > no background other than M$ Access) and wants to learn PHP as well, > > would you recommend PostgreSQL over MySQL? I was planning > to focus on > > using MySQL with PHP and Apache, would PostgreSQL be a better way to > > start? I'm very unfamiliar with these database technologies at the > > moment and would welcome any feedback. > > I've had far better success doing fun things like subselects and > inner/outer joins with PostgreSQL than with MySQL. Both will > teach you > the basics of RDBMS's, but PostgreSQL's syntax and command > set will more > closely resemble those of the commercially available RDBMS's, ones you > will most likely run into in the non-"Free Beer" world. > > Honestly, as far as database administration goes, it's six in > one hand, > half-a-dozen in the other. I'll suggest PostgreSQL over MySQL because > that's what I'm most comfortable with. > > PHP interfaces well with either one. A nice PHP library you > should look > at is called adodb[1]. It provides you with a single set of function > calls to use, but let's you interface with either database -- > as well as > many others. PHPLib[2] and PEAR[3] will let you do the same > type of thing > as well. > > 1. http://php.weblogs.com/ADODB > 2. http://phplib.sourceforge.net/ > 3. http://sourceforge.net/projects/pearsession > > -- > Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie > http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr > Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > PRIVACY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain business confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If this e-mail was not intended for you, please notify the sender by reply e-mail that you received this in error. Destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. From veldy at veldy.net Thu Nov 8 10:41:36 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Advocacy (was Re: (was ...)) References: <01110720215503.01250@geezer> Message-ID: <006601c1686d$6f4150c0$3028680a@tgt.com> Which ever you use, if you have a web server on a machine on your lan running PHP, then you should install either phpMyAdmin or phpPgAdmin. These web-based tools are excellent for general development and administration. They don't do everything and are not totally bug free -- but they make life a lot eaiser. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Ungerleider" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Advocacy (was Re: (was ...)) > On Wednesday 07 November 2001 14:27, you wrote: > > So for someone who wants to learn relational database concepts (with no > > background other than M$ Access) and wants to learn PHP as well, would you > > recommend PostgreSQL over MySQL? I was planning to focus on using MySQL > > with PHP and Apache, would PostgreSQL be a better way to start? I'm very > > unfamiliar with these database technologies at the moment and would welcome > > any feedback. > > > > Personally I like postgresql. But as others have said there is a lot more > PHP+MySQL stuff out there than PostgreSQL anything. As far as I know Bruce > Momjan book is still the only PostgreSQL book out, though some others are due > RSN. So if you want to do this with a book in hand MySQL may be the way to > go. > > That said if you are used to Access and want to "convert" your apps from > Access to one or the other, I've found postgres a little simpler for this > task. Mostly because if you have hard relationships in your Access app you > can implement them with Postgres. I know the most recent version of MySQL was > supposed to add support for this kind of thing but I haven't used it in a > while and when I last tried it wasn't possible. > > -- > Jack Ungerleider > jack@jacku.com > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jaredburns at acm.org Thu Nov 8 10:43:08 2001 From: jaredburns at acm.org (Jared Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Eclipse In-Reply-To: <20011108075620.B18534@beaver.iucha.org> References: <061af05330208b1FE8@mail8.mn.rr.com> <20011108075620.B18534@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <01110809595700.01631@radiohead.min.oti.com> > When will IBM release the source code for it and under what license? If you downloaded the SDK drop, you already have the source. :) Eclipse is distributed under the CPL - a non-viral open source license that says you can take the code and do whatever you want with it. > And b) Where the heck is the "project" definition stored? Only in that > small ".classpath" file? Not sure exactly what you're asking here. Eclipse project data is stored in your workspace (which is placed in your cwd by default but can be redirected by passing Eclipse "-data ". The .metadata directory contains the state info associated with your workspace (including projects). So if you have projects A, B, and C, you'll find directories A, B, and C in your workspace folder (say /home/$USER/workspace/.). Those directories will contain your .java and .class files. Your .metadata directory (/home/$USER/workspace/.metadata) will store information like which files you have open, what breakpoints you have open, your view settings, etc. > And c) What level of integration with ant is there? I read in the docs that > it can run ant build files. But can it generate ant build files and keep > them in sync with my whishes (project contents and dependencies)? Eclipse only ships with the ability to run ant scripts, not generate them. Excellent third party opportunity. :) - Jared From jima at gimp.damnation.net Thu Nov 8 10:44:32 2001 From: jima at gimp.damnation.net (jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Aww yeah, new box In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011108095405.00ab06d0@mail.eleetomatic.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Nov 2001, Thomas Eibner wrote: > On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 08:12:47PM -0600, Mark Browne wrote: > > Can you be more specific as to the colored slot statement? > > If it wasn't clear to you; I was just wondering why he mentions PURPLE > pci slots, I'm sure the pci cards couldn't care less and it's certainly > not something I would care about. > > Maybe I'm missing some feature of the purple pci slots? I had the same response once when someone told me the motherboard he bought was blue (as opposed to green). He didn't get my line of questioning. "WHAT IS THE TECHNICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THE COLOR BLUE!?!?" Seems like a pretty simple question to me. :) I admit, it's interesting & cool because it's different (both the blue mobo & purple PCI slots), but it doesn't have much technical bearing. Just my one cent. (Give me a break, I bankrupted myself buying computer stuff yesterday.) Jima From hvidsl at parknicollet.com Thu Nov 8 10:52:27 2001 From: hvidsl at parknicollet.com (Hvidsten, Leif) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Aww yeah, new box Message-ID: > http://65.119.30.151/productimage/13-139-104-02.JPG > > The board just looks sweet. :) Plus, it performs as well as > it looks. > Hardocp.com has some links to reviews of it, and benchmarks, > and it's a very > impressive board. 3 of my co-workers have them, and they do > work excellent. > > Sure, the board won't be viewable from the outside, but it > will look nice on > the inside with my yellow rounded cables, and my Geforce2 > T-400 with the > black PCB. :) > You could put a fiberglass window on the side of your case with a neon light on the inside lighting up your motherboard, if you really want to be able to see your motherboard in action. 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URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011108/1bc1486b/attachment.html From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Nov 8 11:21:25 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Aww yeah, new box Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE117@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Antec actually buys most of their cases from Chieftec (http://www.chieftec.com) and slaps their power supplies in them. Chieftec makes some sweet cases. The problem is finding someone who sells them. > -----Original Message----- > From: Florin Iucha [mailto:florin@iucha.net] > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 7:52 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Aww yeah, new box > > > On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 07:47:16PM -0600, Doug wrote: > > So where did ya get the Antec SX1030B case??? I'm looking > on mwave.com > > right now and don't see it listed. (I'm looking for the SX1040B > > myself) Is there anyplace in town that sells these? > > I have got a black Antec 1035 (350W PS) from Compusa in > Minnetonka yesterday. It is $129 there. > > Last night I have transfered all my stuff from the old case > to this one and it went smooth. It is a GREAT case! Very easy > to work with. > > florin > > PS: If someone wants a dirt cheap full tower ATX case with a > 250 W PS, let me know :) > > -- > > "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." > > 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 > From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Nov 8 11:22:46 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cheap Memory Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE118@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Tran Micro has 256MB sticks of PC133 for $14.99. Either Micron or Corsair, your choice. 256MB of PC2100 DDR for $29.99 a stick. > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Harris [mailto:PaulHarris@Bigfoot.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 8:51 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Cheap Memory > > > Hi all, > > Just thought I'd point out that OfficeDepot is having a sale > on PNY 128MB memory. PC66/100 or PC133 is available for $20, > less a $15 rebate, so $5 a stick! This is at the downtown > Minneapolis store, don't know about the others. > > Cheers, Paul > 256MB happy > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dmblevins at mediaone.net Thu Nov 8 11:24:02 2001 From: dmblevins at mediaone.net (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] InstallFest In-Reply-To: <001701c161ca$658fde60$a928f518@mediaone.net> Message-ID: Tell me when, where, and I'm there. David > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Doug Hanson > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 11:11 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] InstallFest > > > $10.00, I am in, I love Pizza (and beer) > > Doug > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Munir Nassar" > To: "Twin Cities Linux User Group" > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 5:30 PM > Subject: [TCLUG] InstallFest > > > > I am still looking for places to host the installfest, and now that the > > AFCSME strike is over MCTC is a viable option again. I talked to Dana, > > the Network Administrator at MCTC and he is amiable to the idea and has > > suggested a few Rooms that we can use. > > > > The question is: There may be a charge for using the room, it will > > probably be not much but since the TC-LUG tresury(sp?) has > active funds of > > about $0s would you be willing to chip in $10 a head for rent and -if > > there is enough left over- Pizza and Drinks? > > > > -Munir > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Thu Nov 8 11:27:55 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Aww yeah, new box In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE115@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 11:00:25PM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE115@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011108103307.G31227@real-time.com> > http://65.119.30.151/productimage/13-139-104-02.JPG > > The board just looks sweet. :) Plus, it performs as well as it looks. how much clearance do you have between your CPU heatsink and those capacitors? Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From thomas at stderr.net Thu Nov 8 11:37:01 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Aww yeah, new box In-Reply-To: ; from jima@gimp.damnation.net on Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 10:02:15AM -0600 References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011108095405.00ab06d0@mail.eleetomatic.com> Message-ID: <20011108175445.I64644@io.stderr.net> On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 10:02:15AM -0600, jima wrote: > > Maybe I'm missing some feature of the purple pci slots? > > I had the same response once when someone told me the motherboard he > bought was blue (as opposed to green). He didn't get my line of > questioning. "WHAT IS THE TECHNICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THE COLOR > BLUE!?!?" Seems like a pretty simple question to me. :) > I admit, it's interesting & cool because it's different (both the blue > mobo & purple PCI slots), but it doesn't have much technical bearing. Yeah, I guess it is a little cool, but I don't see why we have to hide computers away in awfull cabinets like the ones we can get right now. Why aren't there more translucent cabinets out there? Something to hang on the wall would be even more geeky! > Just my one cent. (Give me a break, I bankrupted myself buying computer > stuff yesterday.) So which one did you buy? Especially: does it have any nice colors! -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From mbutler2 at mmm.com Thu Nov 8 11:38:31 2001 From: mbutler2 at mmm.com (mbutler2@mmm.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Freebsd lovin' Message-ID: Not to turn this into a MUG, but I have to say that Apple has a history (mostly with Jobs at the helm) of killing off excellent technology and projects. Take the Newton, and for that matter the AppleII GS, excellent technology, and Jobs figuratively (as well as literally, according to some) threw them out the window. Now I know that NextStep was adopted to OpenStep and some of that technology was opened up in that project, but I don't know what happened from there. Given Jobs, he probably shelved it and hoped the world would ignore anything that he didn't deem to be the direction he wants to take Apple in. I think Jobs is a great leader and knows how to get people to accomplish some great things, but I think he also has a belief that he is the reason Apple is what it is, all I can say to that is one word: Woz.... later, mbutler >IIRC, the Next OS, which Steve Jobs started when he left Apple, was based >on Mach. And then around the time Jobs came back to Apple, Apple bought >Next, which by that time had dumped its hardware and was working only on >software. Don't know what happened to the OS after that >> > > I thought that OS X was mach kernel based, making it a lightweight >> > > derivative of a BSD kernel, is that right? >> > not that I know of... I don't think I've heard anything like that. >> It is derived from the FreeBSD 3.x kernel in particular. I beleive they >> have incorporated many changes from 4.x as well. They (Apple) even hired >> Jordon Hubbard (a FreeBSD core member and founder) of the FreeBSD project >>to >> join the OSX development team. From chrome at real-time.com Thu Nov 8 11:48:50 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] spoke too soon In-Reply-To: <3BE9F610.241BECC6@slava.net>; from fish@slava.net on Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 09:03:44PM -0600 References: <3BE9F610.241BECC6@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011108104343.H31227@real-time.com> > First thing: I installed Everybuddy last night. It worked. I used it. > Everything was fine. I tried to run it today and it said I had an > incorrect name or password. I re-entered my name and password and > restarted Everybuddy. Same thing. I noticed someone on my list I > didn't want on there anymore and I tried to delete them. Everybuddy > crashed. This is a newer version than I used to have. Is this a major > Everybuddy bug or is this my computer? What do I do? I tried everybuddy for a while; but it crashed too much and had a vile user interface. All my friends are on ICQ anyway; so I use Licq. (tried licq+gtk; but the UI sucked more than the QT version). I was using zicq for a long while, some time ago. it's a console ICQ client. limited features, but pretty stable, and not a bad UI for what it tries to do. tried gabber for a while; but like everybuddy, it was unstable and had a sucky UI. Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From jacque at fruitioninc.com Thu Nov 8 12:31:33 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting In-Reply-To: <002001c161cb$7c53b300$a928f518@mediaone.net> Message-ID: Hmm Thats a week away. I haven't planned that far ahead. It'll probably be near the U, however. ~j -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Doug Hanson Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 11:19 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Where is the next beer meeting? Thursday approaches... Doug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Many cheap (consumer electronics) PCB's are green, because they use a cheaper board, and only one sided thru-holes. Often times, blue boards were a sign of a better board (I forget the material) with a better (epoxy?) finish and dual sided / plated thru holes. [1] Also, I recall seeing blue typically on multilayer PCBs, i.e., 3 or 4 circuit layers sandwiched together, and in a really heavy RF application (like a GHz processor) might even have an internal ground plane. I don't recall seeing green for "real" PCBs. [1] Thru-holes are the holes in which the component leads go (though many things are surface mount these days.) A one-sided thru hole only has a pad on one side of the board, while a plated thru-hole has contact metal plated on the inside of the hole. When the solder joint is made, it's much more robust, and a cracked solder pad on one side of the board won't cause bad connections as easily. -- I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. From petre.scheie at nextelpartners.com Thu Nov 8 12:38:05 2001 From: petre.scheie at nextelpartners.com (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux VAR in Twin Cities In-Reply-To: <20011107092516.J13378@real-time.com> References: <20011106171203.D13378@real-time.com> <20011107092516.J13378@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011108.17325700@gromit.> At my company, one of the Citrix admins said it costs $7000 per server, which allows for about 15 concurrent users. More licenses can be added (for $), but she said it doesn't scale well past 15, so if we need to support more than 15, we put up another box. Not sure how many CPUs or memory is in each said box. For preserving access to Windows apps, I'm more inclined to go with Netraverse's Win4Lin Standard Server Edition (NSSE). Netraverse says it will handle about 13 users per CPU (so if you have a quad-cpu box you can support 52 simultaneous users), and costs $2300 for 25 concurrent users. Plus, you need to have the Windows 95/98 licenses, but since most major vendors won't sell you a box without a copy of Windows, the workstation covers that requirement. Netraverse also makes a Tarantella-based client that can be used on Windows clients thats $179 per seat. (With Citrix, the client software is free, regardless of platform.) 25 seat @ $179 is about $4500. Add that to the $2300 NSSE server, and for $6800 you have a system that can support 25 users instead of a $7000 system that only supports 15 users. But the hardware costs may even that out a bit, not sure. However, if you can have linux/x-terminal clients, then you don't need the Tarantella client and the associated costs. At my company, we're going to a new billing app next year that everyone will access using a Citrix client. I'm trying to use that opening to suggest that we carry the idea to its logical conclusion, and run x-terminals on the users' desks which then connect to servers running each app, much like what Largo, FL does. The hard part is that our Intranet uses NTLM authentication which means it only works with IE; and most users think email was invented with Outlook, and using anything different is too scary. Interestingly, in looking for ways to overcome these hurdles, I discovered that M$ makes versions of Outlook Express and IE for Unix, specifically for HP-UX and Solaris. (Here comes the punchline...) Man, they are worthless pieces of software. They're both buggy as hell, crash frequently, and would get you a failing grade in any programming class. And it's clear MS doesn't understand the 'unix way' of installation (of course, we knew that!). To top it off, neither seems to have any concept of how X windows works; I could never get either to run on one machine and display on another. Cynics might argue that these are just MS's attempts to "show that Unix doesn't work as well as Windows", but what it suggests to me is that they have a lot of not-very-bright programmers. Petre Scheie >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 11/7/01, 9:25:16 AM, Amy Tanner wrote regarding Re: [TCLUG] linux VAR in Twin Cities: > On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 09:30:08PM -0600, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) (zibby+tclug@ringworld.org) wrote: > > On Tue, 6 Nov 2001, Amy Tanner wrote: > > > > > Might be easier/cheaper to just run VMWare for any apps like that. Could > > > put the data on a linux samba box. But, you'd still have to pay for > > > VMWare,Windows, and ACT. > > > > > Unless everyone is admining their own boxen, Citrix seems like a better > > soultion...but that's just me. :) > what does citrix cost these days? > -- > Amy Tanner > amy@real-time.com > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hvidsl at parknicollet.com Thu Nov 8 12:43:27 2001 From: hvidsl at parknicollet.com (Hvidsten, Leif) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Aww yeah, new box Message-ID: I've enjoyed my Fung-KAI 320ATX. It's certified by IBM to run 10,000 RPM+ hard drives and has a nice add-in slot for my whopping 120mm fan and a nice funnel to pull out the hot air from the CPU heatsink. Ars has a nice review at http://arstechnica.com/reviews/3q00/fk320atx/320atx-1.html. I installed some toggle switches with LED lights into one of my 5.25" bays that allow me to run my fans at full throttle or half-speed -- that way the noise is at a normal level. It's the only way I can get my AMD T-Bird 750 to do 1140mhz overclocked. The one bad thing about this case is that it only has 3 5.25" bays. I'm using all three with a CD-ROM, CD-RW, and my set of toggle switches with LED lights. Oh well, I don't forsee needing another 5.25" bay anyway. The removable drive cages are awesome. > > > Antec actually buys most of their cases from Chieftec > (http://www.chieftec.com) and slaps their power supplies in them. > > Chieftec makes some sweet cases. The problem is finding > someone who sells > them. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Florin Iucha [mailto:florin@iucha.net] > > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 7:52 AM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Aww yeah, new box > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 07:47:16PM -0600, Doug wrote: > > > So where did ya get the Antec SX1030B case??? I'm looking > > on mwave.com > > > right now and don't see it listed. (I'm looking for the SX1040B > > > myself) Is there anyplace in town that sells these? > > > > I have got a black Antec 1035 (350W PS) from Compusa in > > Minnetonka yesterday. It is $129 there. > > > > Last night I have transfered all my stuff from the old case > > to this one and it went smooth. It is a GREAT case! Very easy > > to work with. > > > > florin > > > > PS: If someone wants a dirt cheap full tower ATX case with a > > 250 W PS, let me know :) > > > > -- > > > > "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." > > > > 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > PRIVACY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain business confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If this e-mail was not intended for you, please notify the sender by reply e-mail that you received this in error. Destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. From petre.scheie at nextelpartners.com Thu Nov 8 12:44:52 2001 From: petre.scheie at nextelpartners.com (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cheap Memory In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE118@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE118@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011108.17364700@gromit.> I haven't followed memory for a while (my Mandrake 6.1 box has been quite happy with the 64MB of SIMMS it has had for some time, thank you very much). What's the difference between PC133 and PC2100 DDR? Petre >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 11/8/01, 10:28:32 AM, "Austad, Jay" wrote regarding RE: [TCLUG] Cheap Memory: > Tran Micro has 256MB sticks of PC133 for $14.99. Either Micron or Corsair, > your choice. > 256MB of PC2100 DDR for $29.99 a stick. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Paul Harris [mailto:PaulHarris@Bigfoot.com] > > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 8:51 AM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: [TCLUG] Cheap Memory > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > Just thought I'd point out that OfficeDepot is having a sale > > on PNY 128MB memory. PC66/100 or PC133 is available for $20, > > less a $15 rebate, so $5 a stick! This is at the downtown > > Minneapolis store, don't know about the others. > > > > Cheers, Paul > > 256MB happy > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From thomas at stderr.net Thu Nov 8 12:46:14 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Aww yeah, new box In-Reply-To: <20011108103307.G31227@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 10:33:07AM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE115@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20011108103307.G31227@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011108184010.J64644@io.stderr.net> On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 10:33:07AM -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > http://65.119.30.151/productimage/13-139-104-02.JPG > > > > The board just looks sweet. :) Plus, it performs as well as it looks. > > how much clearance do you have between your CPU heatsink and those > capacitors? It has purple pci slots! who cares! :) It _does_ look like there's not that much room to be honest. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From florin at iucha.net Thu Nov 8 12:48:57 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Advocacy (was Re: (was ...)) In-Reply-To: <004d01c1686c$a657c090$3028680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 09:47:18AM -0600 References: <004d01c1686c$a657c090$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20011108114200.B29097@beaver.iucha.org> On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 09:47:18AM -0600, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > MySQL is easier with PHP, for one reason, it is much easier to get the value > of an autoincrement key for a row you just inserted. PostgreSQL is rather > lacking in this respect. No way. From http://www.us.postgresql.org/users-lounge/docs/7.1/reference/sql-createtable.html: To create and autoincrement field use DEFAULT NEXTVAL('sequence_name') when you create a table. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011108/2a1e429a/attachment.pgp From dmblevins at mediaone.net Thu Nov 8 12:50:36 2001 From: dmblevins at mediaone.net (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SRPMS? Message-ID: Easy question. Regarding RH-7.2, what is the difference between the enigma-SRPMS iso files and the enigma-i386 iso files? David -for those interested- Status on my install for anyone curious. I have 6.1 running without X. Right now I'm putting the RH-7.2 iso files on the local hard drive and will attempt to install/upgrade from there. Tried to install from NFS but couldn't seem to locate the RH install files. What exactly does the NFS location have to point to, a dir where the iso files are located or a or a dir where the iso has been *mounted*. If, it's the second, I have no idea how to do that considering the iso is on a Win2k machine. From loren at ensodex.com Thu Nov 8 12:53:20 2001 From: loren at ensodex.com (Loren Cahlander) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Freebsd lovin' References: <20011105075917.C2749@real-time.com> <008401c167a2$963da5f0$3028680a@tgt.com> <20011108.15201300@gromit.> Message-ID: <3BEAC5E7.8040508@ensodex.com> Basically, what happened was that Apple bought Next and then Next took over Apple. That is a very simplistic view of it, but it covers the basics. The Next executives moved in and took over several positions a Apple. OS: Next (os and computer) => Nextstep (just the OS) => Openstep (the OS repackaged) => Mac OS X (the OS merged with the Mac operating system.) Loren Petre Scheie wrote: >IIRC, the Next OS, which Steve Jobs started when he left Apple, was based >on Mach. And then around the time Jobs came back to Apple, Apple bought >Next, which by that time had dumped its hardware and was working only on >software. Don't know what happened to the OS after that. > >Petre Scheie > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >On 11/7/01, 9:40:53 AM, "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote >regarding Re: [TCLUG] Freebsd lovin': > > >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom" >>To: >>Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 7:59 AM >>Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Freebsd lovin' >> > > >>>> I thought that OS X was mach kernel based, making it a lightweight >>>>derivative of a BSD kernel, is that right? >>>> >>>not that I know of... I don't think I've heard anything like that. >>> > >>It is derived from the FreeBSD 3.x kernel in particular. I beleive they >>have incorporated many changes from 4.x as well. They (Apple) even hired >>Jordon Hubbard (a FreeBSD core member and founder) of the FreeBSD project >> >to > >>join the OSX development team. >> > >>Tom Veldhouse >>veldy@veldy.net >> > > >>_______________________________________________ >>Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, >> >Minnesota > >>http://www.mn-linux.org >>tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Nov 8 12:57:30 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP ME! I'M A REDHAT USER! Message-ID: <1005242264.1301.15.camel@minime> For the love of god someone come to the office and kick me in the beanbag. I installed RedHat 7.2 on a spare partition on my laptop last night and I'm afraid to say: "I like it" I've been fighting with shit too long it seems and when stuff just works it causes me physical pain and mental anguish. I find myself having lots of time to surf, play games, watch t.v. and read. I did a fresh install on top of ext3 and left out all the desktop environments so I was left with xdm and twm. I grabbed go-gnome script from ximian.com and ran it and then started to watch t.v. fully expecting it to die. While the process took an eternity i was pleasantly surprised to find a working, stable, fast gnome desktop when it was finished. Complete with a "you're a first time user" wizard like thing. Generally I'm an Enlightenment / Gkrellm user but i'm finding that alot the things that irritated me about sawfish are gone now. One of the main things that's always bothered me about gnome/sawfish was stability. No matter what I did it always seemed to die on me. But I'm realizing that they all pretty much code to the one flavor of *nix with has the largest userbase (RedHat) it all installs cleanly and runs well. I didn't have to mess around to get any of the hardware working it just worked. I was a little irritated that I didn't get galeon in a default ximian install. But that appears to be no problems since I'm using red-carpet to add it. It's painfully slow even here at work on the T3. Red Carpet is pretty neat, it's like a no fuss graphical way to keep your stuff up to date and allows you to install new packages too which is nice. The only problem is that I don't see vim6. WTF is redhat waiting for? vim6 kicks ass! I also liked the ability to configure a firewall at install time which proved to be no hassle at all and set me up with a nice set of unobtrusive rules (which as I've just noticed are causeing me havoc when trying nfs mount some music while in the machine room) O.k. suffice it to say I'm pleasantly surprised albeit a bit ashamed at the quality of redhat. I still detest RPM's but what can you do? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011108/2da52cd0/attachment.pgp From cznews at att.net Thu Nov 8 13:08:14 2001 From: cznews at att.net (Carl Zeilon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: ATAPI zip Message-ID: <20011108180803.XPTG4964.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@there> Thanks for the tip. As a newbie, I need more info though. I ran lsmod & saw that there is no ide-floppy module loaded. I found the likely module here: /lib/modules/2.4.8-26mdk/build/drivers/ide/ide-floppy.c The /build directory points to /usr/src/linux-2.4.8 What exact command do I issue to load this module? Then I need to load this automagicly. I need to modify /etc/rc.d/init.d, correct? How? Here is more info on how the zip is operating now. It does function correctly if I boot with a disk in the drive. Kudzu, which runs at boot time, gets pissed & times out. If I then run kudzu, it configures a "generic serial modem". everybody is happy ;) If I then boot with no disk, you guessed it.... From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Nov 8 13:17:28 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Aww yeah, new box Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE119@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> I don't know what the clearance is on mine (I'm using the OEM heatsink, it'll be here today), but the $25 alpha cooler from 2cooltek.com gives tons of room. And the $70 big Alpha cooler also fits just fine. > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom [mailto:chrome@real-time.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 10:33 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Aww yeah, new box > > > > http://65.119.30.151/productimage/13-139-104-02.JPG > > > > The board just looks sweet. :) Plus, it performs as well as it > > looks. > > how much clearance do you have between your CPU heatsink and > those capacitors? > > Carl Soderstrom > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Nov 8 13:23:23 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting In-Reply-To: <002001c161cb$7c53b300$a928f518@mediaone.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Doug Hanson wrote: > Where is the next beer meeting? Thursday approaches... Wrong Thursday, unless you want to start an every Thurs event.. -Brian From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Nov 8 13:30:05 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:13 2005 Subject: centericq (was Re: [TCLUG] spoke too soon) In-Reply-To: <20011108104343.H31227@real-time.com> References: <3BE9F610.241BECC6@slava.net> <20011108104343.H31227@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011108122659.B17810@wookimus.net> Carl Soderstrom wrote: > I was using zicq for a long while, some time ago. it's a console ICQ > client. Try centericq if you like ncurses-based applications. Very stable and reliable. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This is sometimes desirable if the deinitialization string does something unnecessary, like clearing the screen. --- This is good and all, but I want to kill it entirely, for all apps, without having to track down the relevant parameter to pass each one. man 5 termcap, however, does not mention anything that looks promising. What settings do I change in my termcap to make it stop doing that? -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Mr. Slippery From hvidsl at parknicollet.com Thu Nov 8 13:39:01 2001 From: hvidsl at parknicollet.com (Hvidsten, Leif) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Aww yeah, new box Message-ID: On Thu, 2001-11-08 at 10:03, Hvidsten, Leif wrote: > You could put a fiberglass window on the side of your case with a >neon light on the inside lighting up your motherboard, if you really >want to be able to see your motherboard in action. >You were probably joking, but I think that is a seriously cool idea! Dave -- An adequate bootstrap is a contradiction in terms. No...I wasn't joking. Adding windows to the side of your case has become a huge fad with pc hardware geeks. Just check out http://www.pcmods.com/ or http://www.coolcasemods.com/ for DIY start-up kits. Here's a site with pictures of what people have done.... http://www.fast-mhz.com/casemods/index.shtml. Another fad is the clear case: http://www.clear-viewtech.com/midv1.html. I'm totally amazed at the money people spend just to make their PC case look cool. PRIVACY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain business confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If this e-mail was not intended for you, please notify the sender by reply e-mail that you received this in error. Destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. From fish at slava.net Thu Nov 8 13:40:31 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] exim expert Message-ID: <3BEAD484.4D67ED37@slava.net> I figured out my password so now I am receiving in mutt. Yay! Exim is still not configured correctly, and I don't want to swamp the list with my asinine blunderings trying to get it to work, so will someone who knows a lot about exim please contact me off list for some help? Thanks. :) Lorry From doug at northlandstudios.com Thu Nov 8 13:42:15 2001 From: doug at northlandstudios.com (Doug) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Aww yeah, new box In-Reply-To: <20011108075131.A18534@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: Florin, I just went and got one at lunchtime. Compusa has a $30 rebate on them as well. It wasn't on the "rebate wall", but the lady at the counter printed it out for us. I believe it's on their web page as well, may want to check it out... Doug -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Florin Iucha Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 7:52 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Aww yeah, new box On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 07:47:16PM -0600, Doug wrote: > So where did ya get the Antec SX1030B case??? I'm looking on mwave.com right > now and don't see it listed. (I'm looking for the SX1040B myself) Is there > anyplace in town that sells these? I have got a black Antec 1035 (350W PS) from Compusa in Minnetonka yesterday. It is $129 there. Last night I have transfered all my stuff from the old case to this one and it went smooth. It is a GREAT case! Very easy to work with. florin PS: If someone wants a dirt cheap full tower ATX case with a 250 W PS, let me know :) -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From carl at geostrategies.com Thu Nov 8 13:47:41 2001 From: carl at geostrategies.com (Carl Schroeder) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] media disconnected Message-ID: <000801c16887$8cd46d10$0100a8c0@GEOSTRATEGIES> I just read your message to the group. I am having the same problem with XP Pro. Did you get any solutions to eliminate the "Media Dosconnected" problem? c ------------------------------------------------------ Carl Schroeder GEOSTRATEGIES www.geostrategies.com 805.480.0987 (Voice) 805.906.1045 (Cel) ------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I find myself having lots of time to surf, play games, watch t.v. and read. I did a fresh install on top of ext3 and left out all the desktop environments so I was left with xdm and twm. I grabbed go-gnome script from ximian.com and ran it and then started to watch t.v. fully expecting it to die. While the process took an eternity i was pleasantly surprised to find a working, stable, fast gnome desktop when it was finished. Complete with a "you're a first time user" wizard like thing. Generally I'm an Enlightenment / Gkrellm user but i'm finding that alot the things that irritated me about sawfish are gone now. One of the main things that's always bothered me about gnome/sawfish was stability. No matter what I did it always seemed to die on me. But I'm realizing that they all pretty much code to the one flavor of *nix with has the largest userbase (RedHat) it all installs cleanly and runs well. I didn't have to mess around to get any of the hardware working it just worked. I was a little irritated that I didn't get galeon in a default ximian install. But that appears to be no problems since I'm using red-carpet to add it. It's painfully slow even here at work on the T3. Red Carpet is pretty neat, it's like a no fuss graphical way to keep your stuff up to date and allows you to install new packages too which is nice. The only problem is that I don't see vim6. WTF is redhat waiting for? vim6 kicks ass! I also liked the ability to configure a firewall at install time which proved to be no hassle at all and set me up with a nice set of unobtrusive rules (which as I've just noticed are causeing me havoc when trying nfs mount some music while in the machine room) O.k. suffice it to say I'm pleasantly surprised albeit a bit ashamed at the quality of redhat. I still detest RPM's but what can you do? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The PostgreSQL PHP library has a similar function, but it applies to ALL object, regardless whether the table has a SERIAL (or autoincrement) field or not. It's called pg_getlastoid() and is referenced here: http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.pg-getlastoid.php OID's are tricky with PostgreSQL. They apply to ALL database objects, including indexes, sequences (used in SERIAL columns), tables, rows, etc. The reason why they're tricky is that if you use them for referential integrity (reference an OID from one table as a key for another), you have to be careful with how you dump/restore your databases. There is an option in the PostgreSQL utilities to preserve old OID's from a previous dump, but it has to be specified manually (AFAIK). Now, if you don't want to deal with the OID dump/restore problems with regards to referential integrity, you can create a SERIAL field in your tables that you wish to provide unique ID's for records. A SERIAL is a builtin TRIGGER to create a SEQUENCE specific to that column. CREATE TABLE test1 ( record_id SERIAL, value VARCHAR(255) ) Is equivalent to saying CREATE SEQUENCE test1_record_id_seq; CREATE TABLE test1 ( record_id INTEGER DEFAULT nextval('test1_record_id_seq'), value VARCHAR(255) ) The nice thing about this is that if you want to preserve the sequence, but you want to drop and recreate the table, you can do so by simply DROPping the table and recreating it using the second declaration listed above. The sequence lives on until you actually drop it manually: DROP SEQUENCE test1_record_id_seq; So, if you opt to use SEQUENCEs, you need to use the return value of pg_getlastoid() in your select statement to query for the sequence field (influenced from user submissions on pgp.net page): // Insert record $result = pg_exec( $conn, "INSERT INTO table1 (value) VALUES ('blah')"); if (!$result) { error("Unable to insert\n."); } else { // Success, let's display it. $oid = pg_getlastoid($result); if ($oid<0) error ("Can't find OID of last insert. PANIC!"); $result = pg_exec( $conn, "SELECT record_id,value FROM table1 WHERE oid=$oid;"); if (!$result) error ("Um... This sucks"); // Get first row $arr = pg_fetch_array( $result, 0 ); echo "Record_id: " . $arr["record_id"]; echo "Value: " . $arr["value"]; } So, is mysql_insert_id() easier? Depends upon your needs. ;-) With PostgreSQL, you still get a unique reference to the last row inserted, even if there is no SEQUENCE field in the table. Therein lies the distinction. With MySQL, you must have an autoincrement field in the table in order to use mysql_insert_id() function. With PostgreSQL, it's automatic regardless. Frankly, I find the PostgreSQL implementation more powerful and flexible. References: http://techdocs.postgresql.org http://www.ca.postgresql.org/users-lounge/docs/#7.1 http://www.ca.postgresql.org/users-lounge/docs/7.1/reference/sql-createsequence.html http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.pg-exec.php -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD From Phillip.J.Crump at WellsFargo.COM Thu Nov 8 14:02:37 2001 From: Phillip.J.Crump at WellsFargo.COM (Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake as Samba Server Message-ID: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E07057849@msgmsp15.norwest.com> Check it out... Mandrake Linux as a drop-in replacement for NT Primary Domain Controller ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Due to recent improvements of Samba server, Mandrake Linux can finally replace that last Windows server on your network: a computer acting as "Primary Domain Controller". In addition to this, newest Samba packages add the possibility to Point-and-Print from Windows clients to printers hosted on Mandrake+Samba server, "winbind" lets you use windows domain authentication for all PAM-enabled services, new XFS journaling file-system lets you use windows ACLs on Mandrake Linux file server, etc. http://mandrakeforum.com/article.php?sid=1376&lang=en According to one MandrakeForum reader, replacing a PCD by Mandrake Linux machine is not only possible, but even simpler than using Windows 2000 server. Go figure?? http://www.mandrakeforum.com/article.php?sid=1317 From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Nov 8 14:33:14 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: ATAPI zip In-Reply-To: <20011108180803.XPTG4964.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@there> References: <20011108180803.XPTG4964.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@there> Message-ID: <20011108193205.9CD1142B0@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 08 November 2001 12:08 pm, you wrote: > Thanks for the tip. As a newbie, I need more info though. I ran lsmod & > saw that there is no ide-floppy module loaded. I found the likely module > here: /lib/modules/2.4.8-26mdk/build/drivers/ide/ide-floppy.c This is just the source code for that module. The actual module file should be at /lib/modules/kernel-version/kernel/drivers/ide/ide-floppy.o > What exact command do I issue to load this module? modprobe ide-floppy > Then I need to load this automagicly. I need to modify /etc/rc.d/init.d, correct? How? Nope, I'm guessing you're running RedHat? I'm not sure with RedHat. I run Debian. With debian you just edit /etc/modules and stick in the module name and options, one per line. Maybe someone more familiar with how RedHat does things can help you out. > Here is more info on how the zip is operating now. It does function > correctly if I boot with a disk in the drive. Kudzu, which runs at boot > time, gets pissed & times out. If I then run kudzu, it configures a > "generic serial modem". everybody is happy ;) If I then boot with no > disk, you guessed it.... No idea what Kudzu is. Sorry. - -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org/~zibby Bender: You just think that robots are machines built by humans to make their lifes easier. Fry: Well, aren't they? Bender: I've never made anyone's life easier and you know it! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjvq3bMACgkQ/PFCAPL3hQNCxwCgi3MuDaQfMsGMLypBzAJCJJ2N 1wAAoL/TloYrsAITVgmWgHouNIzfbBYT =TOja -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Nov 8 14:36:40 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCPd hosts.allow problems Message-ID: I am having problems using the hosts.{allow|deny} with IMAPs and POP3s it seems that the tcp wrapper is denying access to those ports, in the hosts.deny i have: ALL: ALL and in the hosts.allow i have ALL: {my subnet} sendmail: ALL named: ALL httpd: ALL sshd: ALL imapd: ALL ipop3d: ALL but for some reason i cannot access imapd and ipop3d through telnet (connection refused) i am using WU-imapd,ipop3d with stunnel, machines in my subnet are working. -munir -- From steveg at transition.com Thu Nov 8 14:37:55 2001 From: steveg at transition.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Aww yeah, new box Message-ID: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BC090@postman.transition.com> The color of a PCB has absolutely nothing to do with quality. Most PCBs are green because the solder mask is green. Solder mask is the coating on the outside of the board that keeps solder from sticking to everything when the assembly goes through a solder wave (thru hole), or keeps solder paste from oozing everywhere when the assembly goes through the IR process (surface mount). We do some gigbit designs with buried traces, controlled impedance some of which were 8 layers, some other designs were 14 layers. They were all green. -----Original Message----- From: phil@rephil.org [mailto:phil@rephil.org] Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 11:32 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Aww yeah, new box On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 10:02:15AM -0600, jima wrote: > I had the same response once when someone told me the motherboard he > bought was blue (as opposed to green). He didn't get my line of > questioning. "WHAT IS THE TECHNICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THE COLOR > BLUE!?!?" Seems like a pretty simple question to me. :) There may be a little significance, but the color is just a by-product if that is the case. Many cheap (consumer electronics) PCB's are green, because they use a cheaper board, and only one sided thru-holes. Often times, blue boards were a sign of a better board (I forget the material) with a better (epoxy?) finish and dual sided / plated thru holes. [1] Also, I recall seeing blue typically on multilayer PCBs, i.e., 3 or 4 circuit layers sandwiched together, and in a really heavy RF application (like a GHz processor) might even have an internal ground plane. I don't recall seeing green for "real" PCBs. [1] Thru-holes are the holes in which the component leads go (though many things are surface mount these days.) A one-sided thru hole only has a pad on one side of the board, while a plated thru-hole has contact metal plated on the inside of the hole. When the solder joint is made, it's much more robust, and a cracked solder pad on one side of the board won't cause bad connections as easily. -- I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From thomas at stderr.net Thu Nov 8 14:40:45 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] exim expert In-Reply-To: <3BEAD484.4D67ED37@slava.net>; from fish@slava.net on Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 12:52:52PM -0600 References: <3BEAD484.4D67ED37@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011108204810.M64644@io.stderr.net> On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 12:52:52PM -0600, Lorry wrote: > I figured out my password so now I am receiving in mutt. Yay! > Exim is still not configured correctly, and I don't want to swamp the > list with my asinine blunderings trying to get it to work, so will > someone who knows a lot about exim please contact me off list for some > help? Thanks. :) eximconfig didn't help you any way? -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From jaredburns at acm.org Thu Nov 8 14:42:50 2001 From: jaredburns at acm.org (Jared Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Eclipse In-Reply-To: <20011108155146.COES25950.femail13.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> References: <061af05330208b1FE8@mail8.mn.rr.com> <20011108075620.B18534@beaver.iucha.org> <20011108155146.COES25950.femail13.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Message-ID: <01110813482701.01631@radiohead.min.oti.com> (It's a shame it'll take so long for this message to get to the list, but) the Eclipse download site (from www.eclipse.org) is back up in its new location. - Jared On Thursday Nov 08, 2001 10:46, you wrote: > AAHH! They moved the downloads off? Florin, do you still have the > download? I want to check it out. > > Jay From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Nov 8 14:44:16 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] exim expert In-Reply-To: <3BEAD484.4D67ED37@slava.net> References: <3BEAD484.4D67ED37@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011108195249.197D442B0@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > Exim is still not configured correctly, and I don't want to swamp the > list with my asinine blunderings trying to get it to work Don't worry about it, I'm sure your blunderings are more welcome than the various distro/mta/mua/editor/flame/etc wars and various rants, raves, spam, etc that end up on the list - -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org/~zibby Bender: You just think that robots are machines built by humans to make their lifes easier. Fry: Well, aren't they? Bender: I've never made anyone's life easier and you know it! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjvq4o8ACgkQ/PFCAPL3hQPz+gCfSFUPYNqAifTjOMHMZIlHDOTl qwYAoKVND91W6ObWoNqZM8FFDqsnGPfZ =CH2C -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Thu Nov 8 14:51:50 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP ME! I'M A REDHAT USER! In-Reply-To: <1005242264.1301.15.camel@minime> Message-ID: |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Ben Lutgens |Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 11:58 AM |To: TCLUG List |Subject: [TCLUG] HELP ME! I'M A REDHAT USER! | | |For the love of god someone come to the office and kick me in the |beanbag. I installed RedHat 7.2 on a spare partition on my laptop last |night and I'm afraid to say: "I like it" | Was that the laptop you had at the TCLUG meeting on Saturday? Either way, what model ThinkPad was that one and what does it set one back? I saw Carl drooling over it...it certainly looked thin and light. What kind of battery life? From doughanson at mediaone.net Thu Nov 8 15:02:17 2001 From: doughanson at mediaone.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting References: Message-ID: <018101c16892$a2c38100$eaaf7a81@doug> I thought is was weekly, this is off the Lug site: "A TCLUG beer meeting is a weekly get-together where TCLUG members can get to know one another and share a beer." So if it says weekly, I whole heartedly agree with it ;)~ Woo Hoo, beer 4 times a month!!!! Do you think Jacque would agree??? Doug Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting > On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Doug Hanson wrote: > > > Where is the next beer meeting? Thursday approaches... > > Wrong Thursday, unless you want to start an every Thurs event.. > > -Brian From jima at gimp.damnation.net Thu Nov 8 15:04:17 2001 From: jima at gimp.damnation.net (jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Aww yeah, new box In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011108141354.00a15da0@mail.eleetomatic.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Nov 2001, Thomas Eibner wrote: > Yeah, I guess it is a little cool, but I don't see why we have to hide > computers away in awfull cabinets like the ones we can get right now. > Why aren't there more translucent cabinets out there? Something to hang > on the wall would be even more geeky! That problem (and solution) did occur to me, yes. Another possible solution is to pop open your case at LAN parties. I've known plenty of people to do that, even if their components aren't particularly fancy-looking. (It was for some sort of cooling factor. I hope.) > So which one did you buy? Especially: does it have any nice colors! I bought a Soyo K7VTA-Pro with a Duron 800 processor from Tiger Direct, and two sticks of 512mb SDRAM from buy.com. Nothing too fancy, but it's better than what that computer has now. I also won two auctions on eBay for a couple Sun toys: a type 5C keyboard, and a quad-port SBUS ethernet card. The keyboard arrived today, and works great; I can finally use this Sun monitor on one of my SparcStation LXs. Say, is 128x54 text mode normal? The rest of the stuff ought to be here by Monday. Should be some good fun. Jima From slbecker at ncn.net Thu Nov 8 15:06:02 2001 From: slbecker at ncn.net (slbecker@ncn.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] email server Message-ID: <200111082020.fA8KKNP04161@earth.ncn.net> Does anyone have or know of a good way to cleanup user mail boxes. I have alot of boxes that never remove there mail from the server. A scrip or cron job would be nice, to remove any thing older then 15-30 days old. thanks shane From jima at gimp.damnation.net Thu Nov 8 15:07:31 2001 From: jima at gimp.damnation.net (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Aww yeah, new box In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011108142534.00a18440@mail.eleetomatic.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Nov 2001, phil@rephil.org wrote: > There may be a little significance, but the color is just a by-product > if that is the case. > > Many cheap (consumer electronics) PCB's are green, because they use a > cheaper board, and only one sided thru-holes. Often times, blue > boards were a sign of a better board (I forget the material) with a > better (epoxy?) finish and dual sided / plated thru holes. [1] Also, > I recall seeing blue typically on multilayer PCBs, i.e., 3 or 4 > circuit layers sandwiched together, and in a really heavy RF > application (like a GHz processor) might even have an internal ground > plane. I don't recall seeing green for "real" PCBs. Okay. I asked a question, you gave a valid answer. Works for me. :) Jima From dmblevins at mediaone.net Thu Nov 8 15:40:39 2001 From: dmblevins at mediaone.net (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shoot me, please!!! Message-ID: Argh! I just ran out and bought 7.2 so I'd have the 'official' cd distribution. I get all the way to the last screen of the install process and get a kernel panic. Says "Attempted to kill init!", whatever that means. I am attempting to install over 6.1, I can't upgrade because my partitions were blown away. Any good advice and I'll give you my first born, or a beer. -David From churchill_dan at htc.honeywell.com Thu Nov 8 15:44:33 2001 From: churchill_dan at htc.honeywell.com (Churchill, Dan (MN65)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCPd hosts.allow problems Message-ID: I assume this machine doesn't have ipchains? If it does, and there is a rule that lets all traffic from your subnet in, but not much else, that would explain a connection refused message from outside your subnet. -Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Munir Nassar > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 1:37 PM > To: Twin Cities Linux User Group > Subject: [TCLUG] TCPd hosts.allow problems > > > I am having problems using the hosts.{allow|deny} with IMAPs > and POP3s it > seems that the tcp wrapper is denying access to those ports, > > in the hosts.deny i have: > ALL: ALL > > and in the hosts.allow i have > ALL: {my subnet} > sendmail: ALL > named: ALL > httpd: ALL > sshd: ALL > imapd: ALL > ipop3d: ALL > > but for some reason i cannot access imapd and ipop3d through telnet > (connection refused) > > i am using WU-imapd,ipop3d with stunnel, machines in my subnet are > working. > > -munir > -- > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Thu Nov 8 15:45:49 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCPd hosts.allow problems In-Reply-To: ; from nassarmu@redconcepts.net on Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 01:36:59PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011108145412.A9268@trammell.dyndns.org> On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 01:36:59PM -0600, Munir Nassar wrote: > I am having problems using the hosts.{allow|deny} with IMAPs and POP3s it > seems that the tcp wrapper is denying access to those ports, > > in the hosts.deny i have: > ALL: ALL > > and in the hosts.allow i have > ALL: {my subnet} > sendmail: ALL > named: ALL > httpd: ALL > sshd: ALL > imapd: ALL > ipop3d: ALL > > but for some reason i cannot access imapd and ipop3d through telnet > (connection refused) > > i am using WU-imapd,ipop3d with stunnel, machines in my subnet are > working. > try "imap2" instead of "imapd" (see /etc/services and /etc/inetd.conf) -- johntrammell@yahoo.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 240 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011108/b146c5b5/attachment.pgp From thomas at stderr.net Thu Nov 8 16:05:09 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting In-Reply-To: <018101c16892$a2c38100$eaaf7a81@doug>; from doughanson@mediaone.net on Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 02:19:09PM -0600 References: <018101c16892$a2c38100$eaaf7a81@doug> Message-ID: <20011108223922.R64644@io.stderr.net> On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 02:19:09PM -0600, Doug Hanson wrote: > I thought is was weekly, this is off the Lug site: "A TCLUG beer meeting is > a weekly get-together where TCLUG members can get to know one another and > share a beer." So if it says weekly, I whole heartedly agree with it ;)~ > Woo Hoo, beer 4 times a month!!!! Do you think Jacque would agree??? Now we just need to persuade the perl mongers to do the same thing every wednesday and I'm all set! -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From tanner at real-time.com Thu Nov 8 16:10:14 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP ME! I'M A REDHAT USER! In-Reply-To: <1005242264.1301.15.camel@minime>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 11:57:44AM -0600 References: <1005242264.1301.15.camel@minime> Message-ID: <20011108143625.T31680@real-time.com> Quoting Ben Lutgens (blutgens@sistina.com): > For the love of god someone come to the office and kick me in the > beanbag. I installed RedHat 7.2 on a spare partition on my laptop last > night and I'm afraid to say: "I like it" As stated on irc. Quick call CNN, hell is freezing over! Did you see that pig fly past! Wow! A million years just flew past! -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu Nov 8 16:40:18 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:15 2005 Subject: [OT] PCB Materials was RE: [TCLUG] Aww yeah, new box Message-ID: What are PCBs usually made of? I have experience with multilayer circuits and the process of making them, but I mainly worked with flexible polyamides, not boards. The company I worked for used fiberglass (G-10?) as stiffener material, and I could assume PCBs are typically made with a fiberglass material, but I'd rather know. >>> steveg@transition.com 11/08/01 01:39PM >>> The color of a PCB has absolutely nothing to do with quality. Most PCBs are green because the solder mask is green. Solder mask is the coating on the outside of the board that keeps solder from sticking to everything when the assembly goes through a solder wave (thru hole), or keeps solder paste from oozing everywhere when the assembly goes through the IR process (surface mount). We do some gigbit designs with buried traces, controlled impedance some of which were 8 layers, some other designs were 14 layers. They were all green. -----Original Message----- From: phil@rephil.org [mailto:phil@rephil.org] On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 10:02:15AM -0600, jima wrote: > I had the same response once when someone told me the motherboard he > bought was blue (as opposed to green). He didn't get my line of > questioning. "WHAT IS THE TECHNICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THE COLOR > BLUE!?!?" Seems like a pretty simple question to me. :) There may be a little significance, but the color is just a by-product if that is the case. Many cheap (consumer electronics) PCB's are green, because they use a cheaper board, and only one sided thru-holes. Often times, blue boards were a sign of a better board (I forget the material) with a better (epoxy?) finish and dual sided / plated thru holes. [1] Also, I recall seeing blue typically on multilayer PCBs, i.e., 3 or 4 circuit layers sandwiched together, and in a really heavy RF application (like a GHz processor) might even have an internal ground plane. I don't recall seeing green for "real" PCBs. [1] Thru-holes are the holes in which the component leads go (though many things are surface mount these days.) A one-sided thru hole only has a pad on one side of the board, while a plated thru-hole has contact metal plated on the inside of the hole. When the solder joint is made, it's much more robust, and a cracked solder pad on one side of the board won't cause bad connections as easily. From thomas at stderr.net Thu Nov 8 16:42:52 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Aww yeah, new box In-Reply-To: ; from jima@gimp.damnation.net on Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 02:23:04PM -0600 References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011108141354.00a15da0@mail.eleetomatic.com> Message-ID: <20011108224637.S64644@io.stderr.net> On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 02:23:04PM -0600, jima wrote: > On Thu, 8 Nov 2001, Thomas Eibner wrote: > > > Yeah, I guess it is a little cool, but I don't see why we have to hide > > computers away in awfull cabinets like the ones we can get right now. > > Why aren't there more translucent cabinets out there? Something to hang > > on the wall would be even more geeky! > > That problem (and solution) did occur to me, yes. Another possible > solution is to pop open your case at LAN parties. I've known plenty of > people to do that, even if their components aren't particularly > fancy-looking. (It was for some sort of cooling factor. I hope.) I just don't like dust coming in there, it's bad enough as it is with my case standing on the carpet here. > > So which one did you buy? Especially: does it have any nice colors! > > I bought a Soyo K7VTA-Pro with a Duron 800 processor from Tiger Direct, > and two sticks of 512mb SDRAM from buy.com. Nothing too fancy, but it's > better than what that computer has now. I'm really happy with my Abit VP6 and two pentium 3's at 1GHz yum.. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From jaredburns at acm.org Thu Nov 8 16:51:21 2001 From: jaredburns at acm.org (Jared Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Crash while formatting home In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01110815544902.01631@radiohead.min.oti.com> > Nice screen shots at that website. Is there anything in any of those > screen shots that Red Hat can't do? Install! :) - Jared > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jared Burns > > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 8:37 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Crash while formatting home > > > > > > http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/ftp.php3 :) > > > > - Jared > > > > On Wed Nov 07 07:51 pm, you wrote: > > > I've been cutting my sysadmin teeth for two days now. I got my old > > > P133 back from a friend and decided to make one more attempt at > > > > putting Linux at > > > > > the center of my network. I had RH 6.1 on the P133 at one time, but > > > X-Windows ran really slowly. > > > > > > This time, I'm moving my Win2k Pro to the 133 freeing up a P > > > > 700 for good > > > > > ol' Red Hat. > > > > > > I've got everything moved and changed, all the disk switched > > > > etc. and the > > > > > Win2k box up and running. Now I am installing Red Hat 7.1 and... > > > > > > It keeps crashing each time the installer gets to the > > > > formatting stage. The > > > > > very last thing I see is 'Formatting /home filesystem', then it > > > > just hangs. > > > > > Info: > > > Doing a 'Server' install. > > > Taking all the package groups. > > > I have a new 20 gig hard disk that I prepared with one large Fat32 > > > partition. I tried to install when the disk was fresh but got an error > > > early on in the install process saying 'No partitions to install on' or > > > something. > > > I used the Western Digital EZ-Drive utility to partition the disk. > > > > > > > > > Any ideas on how to get through or around this? > > > > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Nov 8 16:56:07 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCPd hosts.allow problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: No ipchains or iptables, this server is a "work-in-progress" type of deal i add stuff as i have the time, money, motivation and just the plain guts to play around with stuff that i probably should not touch. IP-tables is not high on my list of priorities. anyways, i played around with it a few more times, rewrote half the file and restarted xinetd half a dozen times more and it suddenly decided to work again... really wierd if you ask me... -munir On Thu, 8 Nov 2001, Churchill, Dan (MN65) wrote: > I assume this machine doesn't have ipchains? If it does, and there is a > rule that lets all traffic from your subnet in, but not much else, that > would explain a connection refused message from outside your subnet. > > -Dan > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Munir Nassar > > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 1:37 PM > > To: Twin Cities Linux User Group > > Subject: [TCLUG] TCPd hosts.allow problems > > > > > > I am having problems using the hosts.{allow|deny} with IMAPs > > and POP3s it > > seems that the tcp wrapper is denying access to those ports, > > > > in the hosts.deny i have: > > ALL: ALL > > > > and in the hosts.allow i have > > ALL: {my subnet} > > sendmail: ALL > > named: ALL > > httpd: ALL > > sshd: ALL > > imapd: ALL > > ipop3d: ALL > > > > but for some reason i cannot access imapd and ipop3d through telnet > > (connection refused) > > > > i am using WU-imapd,ipop3d with stunnel, machines in my subnet are > > working. > > > > -munir > > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- From jacque at fruitioninc.com Thu Nov 8 16:56:51 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting In-Reply-To: <018101c16892$a2c38100$eaaf7a81@doug> Message-ID: I've been trying to get that changed on the site for awhile now. If someone else wants to plan a beer meeting on the off week, by all means!! ~j > > I thought is was weekly, this is off the Lug site: "A TCLUG beer > meeting is > a weekly get-together where TCLUG members can get to know one another and > share a beer." So if it says weekly, I whole heartedly agree with it ;)~ > Woo Hoo, beer 4 times a month!!!! Do you think Jacque would agree??? > > Doug > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting > > > > On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Doug Hanson wrote: > > > > > Where is the next beer meeting? Thursday approaches... > > > > Wrong Thursday, unless you want to start an every Thurs event.. > > > > -Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From florin at iucha.net Thu Nov 8 16:58:50 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shoot me, please!!! In-Reply-To: ; from dmblevins@mediaone.net on Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 02:46:55PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011108161541.C11038@beaver.iucha.org> On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 02:46:55PM -0600, David Blevins wrote: > Argh! > > I just ran out and bought 7.2 so I'd have the 'official' cd distribution. > I get all the way to the last screen of the install process and get a kernel > panic. Says "Attempted to kill init!", whatever that means. > > I am attempting to install over 6.1, I can't upgrade because my partitions > were blown away. > What machine is that? CPU, Memory, HDD? Have you ran memtest86 on it recently? www.memtest86.com for details. Have you ran badblocks on the hdd? florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011108/e6e9ded9/attachment.pgp From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Thu Nov 8 16:59:22 2001 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FORGOT Message-ID: <011108161556.20224fee@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Hi Found this tidbit yesterday and thought you folks might enjoy it. Forgot to post it though... Ed Hoeffner 1-271 BSBE 312 Church St. SE Mpls, MN 55455 hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu 612-625-2115 612-625-2163 fax --5 November 2001 Netcraft Survey Says 130,000 IIS Users Switched to Apache Netcraft's September survey of 33 million web servers showed 300,000 fewer IIS servers than in August, with 130,000 of those sites moving to Apache. The survey also reported that 11 percent of all IIS servers were infected and completely unprotected from exploitation and use by malicious persons. http://www.cw360.com/bin/bladerunner?REQSESS=Z097P4P&690REQEVENT=&CARTI=107480&C ARTT=14&CCAT=2&CCHAN=20&CFLAV=1&CPAGEN=ArticlePage&CPAGET=-99999&CSEARCH=&CSESS= -99999&CTOPIC= From phil at rephil.org Thu Nov 8 16:59:55 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (phil@rephil.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Aww yeah, new box In-Reply-To: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BC090@postman.transition.com>; from steveg@transition.com on Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 01:39:49PM -0600 References: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BC090@postman.transition.com> Message-ID: <20011108161620.A8234@rephil.org> On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 01:39:49PM -0600, Steve Grobe wrote: > The color of a PCB has absolutely nothing to do with quality. Didn't mean to infer causality! I can't remember PCB makers now (it's been too long), but was just trying to say that there used to be a correlation -- the good boards tended to be coated in blue, the cheapies tended to be coated in green. I've seen 'em other ways, too. Either way, flex them hard enough and you can break them. ;) Phil > Most PCBs are green because the solder mask is green. Solder > mask is the coating on the outside of the board that keeps > solder from sticking to everything when the assembly goes through > a solder wave (thru hole), or keeps solder paste from oozing everywhere > when the assembly goes through the IR process (surface mount). > > We do some gigbit designs with buried traces, controlled impedance > some of which were 8 layers, some other designs were 14 layers. > They were all green. > > -----Original Message----- > From: phil@rephil.org [mailto:phil@rephil.org] > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 11:32 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Aww yeah, new box > > > On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 10:02:15AM -0600, jima wrote: > > > I had the same response once when someone told me the motherboard he > > bought was blue (as opposed to green). He didn't get my line of > > questioning. "WHAT IS THE TECHNICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THE COLOR > > BLUE!?!?" Seems like a pretty simple question to me. :) > > There may be a little significance, but the color is just a by-product > if that is the case. > > Many cheap (consumer electronics) PCB's are green, because they use a > cheaper board, and only one sided thru-holes. Often times, blue > boards were a sign of a better board (I forget the material) with a > better (epoxy?) finish and dual sided / plated thru holes. [1] Also, > I recall seeing blue typically on multilayer PCBs, i.e., 3 or 4 > circuit layers sandwiched together, and in a really heavy RF > application (like a GHz processor) might even have an internal ground > plane. I don't recall seeing green for "real" PCBs. > > [1] Thru-holes are the holes in which the component leads go (though > many things are surface mount these days.) A one-sided thru hole only > has a pad on one side of the board, while a plated thru-hole has > contact metal plated on the inside of the hole. When the solder joint > is made, it's much more robust, and a cracked solder pad on one side > of the board won't cause bad connections as easily. > > -- > I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, > but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. From mbutler2 at mmm.com Thu Nov 8 17:00:42 2001 From: mbutler2 at mmm.com (mbutler2@mmm.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shoot me, please!!! Message-ID: You said your last backup was when?!?!? Best I can say, if you've got the tape, you're set, if not, I don't think you want to know where you are. mbutler Argh! I just ran out and bought 7.2 so I'd have the 'official' cd distribution. I get all the way to the last screen of the install process and get a kernel panic. Says "Attempted to kill init!", whatever that means. I am attempting to install over 6.1, I can't upgrade because my partitions were blown away. Any good advice and I'll give you my first born, or a beer. -David From phil at rephil.org Thu Nov 8 17:01:13 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (phil@rephil.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shoot me, please!!! In-Reply-To: ; from dmblevins@mediaone.net on Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 02:46:55PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011108161959.B8234@rephil.org> On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 02:46:55PM -0600, David Blevins wrote: > Any good advice and I'll give you my first born, or a beer. Don't take any wooden nickels. I'd prefer the beer. -- I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. From spencer at autonomous.tv Thu Nov 8 17:02:16 2001 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP ME! I'M A REDHAT USER! In-Reply-To: <20011108143625.T31680@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 02:36:25PM -0600 References: <1005242264.1301.15.camel@minime> <20011108143625.T31680@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011108162111.D19571@Mail> is it that late already? * Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com) wrote: > Quoting Ben Lutgens (blutgens@sistina.com): > > For the love of god someone come to the office and kick me in the > > beanbag. I installed RedHat 7.2 on a spare partition on my laptop last > > night and I'm afraid to say: "I like it" > > As stated on irc. > > Quick call CNN, hell is freezing over! > Did you see that pig fly past! > Wow! A million years just flew past! > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > Spencer Butler Twin Cities Open Systems http://tcos.stderr.net 6126368989@voicestream.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Nov 8 17:08:24 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Aww yeah, new box In-Reply-To: <1005240197.5112.20.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> References: <1005240197.5112.20.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> Message-ID: <20011108163431.00e66cf5.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Dave Sherman wrote: > > On Thu, 2001-11-08 at 10:03, Hvidsten, Leif wrote: > > You could put a fiberglass window on the side of your case with a > > neon light on the inside lighting up your motherboard, if you really > > want to be able to see your motherboard in action. > > You were probably joking, but I think that is a seriously cool idea! http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/computing/pc-mods.shtml And I'm sure there are other places that sell this kind of stuff.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Everywhere is walking / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ distance if you have the \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) time. 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With all this high powered hardware you could head over to Distributed Net: http://www.distributed.net/ and get the Linux client: http://www.distributed.net/download/clients.html#linux and then join the "Linux users of Minnesota" team: http://stats.distributed.net/rc5-64/tmsummary.php3?team=6533 and shut off the "Optimal Golomb Rulers" project (load-work precedence: RC5,DES,CSC,OGR=0) until they decide to show individual measurements of progress (hehe). That is, unless you already have a way to waste your extra cycles... ;-) >>> thomas@stderr.net 11/08/01 03:46PM >>> On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 02:23:04PM -0600, jima wrote: > On Thu, 8 Nov 2001, Thomas Eibner wrote: > > > Yeah, I guess it is a little cool, but I don't see why we have to hide > > computers away in awfull cabinets like the ones we can get right now. > > Why aren't there more translucent cabinets out there? Something to hang > > on the wall would be even more geeky! > > That problem (and solution) did occur to me, yes. Another possible > solution is to pop open your case at LAN parties. I've known plenty of > people to do that, even if their components aren't particularly > fancy-looking. (It was for some sort of cooling factor. I hope.) I just don't like dust coming in there, it's bad enough as it is with my case standing on the carpet here. > > So which one did you buy? Especially: does it have any nice colors! > > I bought a Soyo K7VTA-Pro with a Duron 800 processor from Tiger Direct, > and two sticks of 512mb SDRAM from buy.com. Nothing too fancy, but it's > better than what that computer has now. I'm really happy with my Abit VP6 and two pentium 3's at 1GHz yum.. From cznews at att.net Thu Nov 8 18:04:40 2001 From: cznews at att.net (Carl Zeilon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #1617 - 13 msgs In-Reply-To: <200111082139.fA8Ld4c26540@sprite.real-time.com> References: <200111082139.fA8Ld4c26540@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011108231443.XPRJ29594.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@there> I'm running Mandrake 8.1. There are only 4 *.o.gz files in /lib/modules/2.4.8-26mdk/kernel/drivers/ide (ataraid, hptraid, ide-tape, & pdcraid) modprobe ide-floppy returns "can't locate module ide-floppy" Kudzu is a program that is supposed to detect changes in hardware & then configure it for you. It works great for my SCSI 7 disk changer that I only use so often. I remember someone raving about how well 8.1 mounted/unmounted removable drives. Please help On Thursday 08 November 2001 03:39 pm, you wrote: > >?Thanks for the tip. ?As a newbie, I need more info though. ?I ran lsmod & > >?saw that there is no ?ide-floppy module loaded. ?I found the likely > > module here: /lib/modules/2.4.8-26mdk/build/drivers/ide/ide-floppy.c > > This is just the source code for that module. The actual module file should > be at /lib/modules/kernel-version/kernel/drivers/ide/ide-floppy.o > > >?What exact command do I issue to load this module? ? > > modprobe ide-floppy > > >?Then I need to load this automagicly. ?I need to modify /etc/rc.d/init.d, > > correct? ?How? > > Nope, I'm guessing you're running RedHat? I'm not sure with RedHat. I run > Debian. With debian you just edit /etc/modules and stick in the module name > and options, one per line. > > Maybe someone more familiar with how RedHat does things can help you out. > > >?Here is more info on how the zip is operating now. ?It does function > >?correctly if I boot with a disk in the drive. ?Kudzu, which runs at boot > >?time, gets pissed & times out. ?If I then run kudzu, it configures a > >?"generic serial modem". ?everybody is happy ;) ?If I then boot with no > >?disk, you guessed it.... > > No idea what Kudzu is. Sorry. From dmblevins at mediaone.net Thu Nov 8 18:15:50 2001 From: dmblevins at mediaone.net (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting In-Reply-To: <20011108162935.3ae8a030.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: Bill Layer wrote: > > > On Thu, 8 Nov 2001 22:39:22 +0100 > "Thomas Eibner" wrote: > > > Now we just need to persuade the perl mongers to do the same thing every > > wednesday and I'm all set! > > perl mongers? > It's like a Java Guru, just more original ;) From drake+tclug at lemongecko.org Thu Nov 8 18:17:55 2001 From: drake+tclug at lemongecko.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP ME! I'M A REDHAT USER! In-Reply-To: <1005242264.1301.15.camel@minime> References: <1005242264.1301.15.camel@minime> Message-ID: <20011108174720.A17582@lemongecko.org> On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 11:57AM -0600, Ben Lutgens wrote: > For the love of god someone come to the office and kick me in the > beanbag. I installed RedHat 7.2 on a spare partition on my laptop last > night and I'm afraid to say: "I like it" I can burn you copies of my Debian CDs... Actually, I set up RedHat for a friend last weekend, and it went very well. I'll always have a special place in my heart for RedHat (it was the first distro I used), but I have a special place on my hard drive for Debian -- it's called "/". > The only problem is that I don't see vim6. WTF is redhat waiting for? > vim6 kicks ass! You know it, baby... > the quality of redhat. I still detest RPM's but what can you do? Install the One True Distribution. :) Dan -- | 4699 BDCB B1A5 28B6 7F8A F8DF EB6A BC2A B0A1 99BF (GPG) | Dan Drake | http://lemongecko.org/drake/ | public key: email -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We (Jacque was helping) actually ran it twice because after the first time it thought my email address was something like alcyone@Lorry. :/ Lorry From fish at slava.net Thu Nov 8 19:28:09 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting References: Message-ID: <3BEB1B34.2056ABED@slava.net> I'd do it but it would probably end up always at the same place, and somewhere I can walk from my apartment. :) Lorry Jacqueline Urick wrote: > > I've been trying to get that changed on the site for awhile now. > > If someone else wants to plan a beer meeting on the off week, by all means!! > > ~j From dmblevins at mediaone.net Thu Nov 8 19:37:14 2001 From: dmblevins at mediaone.net (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shoot me, please!!! In-Reply-To: <20011108161541.C11038@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: It's a: Dell Dimension XPS T700r Pentium III 700 512 MB Ram IDE 0 disk 0 - Western Digital 20 gig, 7200 rpms IDE 0 disk 1 - nothing IDE 1 disk 0 - CD/DVD-ROM, by Hitatchi (sp?) IDE 1 disk 1 - CD-RW, by Sony PCI - 3com 3C905C-TXM NIC (for LAN) PCI - 3com 3C905C-TX-M NIC (for WAN)-- not used at the moment PCI - Creative Labs 'something' Live! AGP - Hercules/Guillemot 3D Prophet 32 MB (NVIDIA GeForce 256 compliant) Running a test on my RAM using the memtest program you recommended, its about 50% done after 30 minutes. I can't imagine I have bad sectors on my hard drive as I can install 6.1 fine. It doesn't recognize half my system, but the files install ok and the machine starts (no X or anything fancy though). I lost the site (looking for it now), but I found something from the Red Hat 'install' maining list archive that mentioned needing to pass ide parameters to the kernel. The failure always happens right when the installer needs to write to the disk. Any ideas on that? I don't need any of the files on the disk, so any avenues involving completely wiping the disk are A-OK with me. Thanks for the direction. David > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Florin Iucha > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 4:16 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Shoot me, please!!! > > > On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 02:46:55PM -0600, David Blevins wrote: > > Argh! > > > > I just ran out and bought 7.2 so I'd have the 'official' cd > distribution. > > I get all the way to the last screen of the install process and > get a kernel > > panic. Says "Attempted to kill init!", whatever that means. > > > > I am attempting to install over 6.1, I can't upgrade because my > partitions > > were blown away. > > > > What machine is that? CPU, Memory, HDD? > > Have you ran memtest86 on it recently? www.memtest86.com for details. > Have you ran badblocks on the hdd? > > florin > > -- > > "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." > > 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 > From markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net Thu Nov 8 19:39:13 2001 From: markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Aww yeah, new box References: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BC090@postman.transition.com> <20011108161620.A8234@rephil.org> Message-ID: <002101c168b4$7c26bcc0$1e02a8c0@zippy> The company I work for has gotten blue, red and black circuit boards at different times. We have color coded for revisions to help customers identify what is in their box. You can order lots of colors if you have blanks made to you specifications. Its just dye in the solder mask; think of clear epoxy-paint as the base. This paint is silk screened (or photo-processed) after the blank is made. Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Aww yeah, new box On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 01:39:49PM -0600, Steve Grobe wrote: > The color of a PCB has absolutely nothing to do with quality. Didn't mean to infer causality! I can't remember PCB makers now (it's been too long), but was just trying to say that there used to be a correlation -- the good boards tended to be coated in blue, the cheapies tended to be coated in green. I've seen 'em other ways, too. Either way, flex them hard enough and you can break them. ;) Phil > Most PCBs are green because the solder mask is green. Solder > mask is the coating on the outside of the board that keeps > solder from sticking to everything when the assembly goes through > a solder wave (thru hole), or keeps solder paste from oozing everywhere > when the assembly goes through the IR process (surface mount). > > We do some gigbit designs with buried traces, controlled impedance > some of which were 8 layers, some other designs were 14 layers. > They were all green. > > -----Original Message----- > From: phil@rephil.org [mailto:phil@rephil.org] > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 11:32 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Aww yeah, new box > > > On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 10:02:15AM -0600, jima wrote: > > > I had the same response once when someone told me the motherboard he > > bought was blue (as opposed to green). He didn't get my line of > > questioning. "WHAT IS THE TECHNICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THE COLOR > > BLUE!?!?" Seems like a pretty simple question to me. :) > > There may be a little significance, but the color is just a by-product > if that is the case. > > Many cheap (consumer electronics) PCB's are green, because they use a > cheaper board, and only one sided thru-holes. Often times, blue > boards were a sign of a better board (I forget the material) with a > better (epoxy?) finish and dual sided / plated thru holes. [1] Also, > I recall seeing blue typically on multilayer PCBs, i.e., 3 or 4 > circuit layers sandwiched together, and in a really heavy RF > application (like a GHz processor) might even have an internal ground > plane. I don't recall seeing green for "real" PCBs. > > [1] Thru-holes are the holes in which the component leads go (though > many things are surface mount these days.) A one-sided thru hole only > has a pad on one side of the board, while a plated thru-hole has > contact metal plated on the inside of the hole. When the solder joint > is made, it's much more robust, and a cracked solder pad on one side > of the board won't cause bad connections as easily. > > -- > I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, > but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net Thu Nov 8 19:39:46 2001 From: markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Aww yeah, new box References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011108095405.00ab06d0@mail.eleetomatic.com> <20011108175445.I64644@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <003501c168b5$2cdf8560$1e02a8c0@zippy> Ah-hmmm, at the risk of pointing out the obvious... There is a certain company named after a fruit that puts the products in clear cases. I belive that this address the aformentioned "hiding away" problem. Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Eibner" To: Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Aww yeah, new box On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 10:02:15AM -0600, jima wrote: > > Maybe I'm missing some feature of the purple pci slots? > > I had the same response once when someone told me the motherboard he > bought was blue (as opposed to green). He didn't get my line of > questioning. "WHAT IS THE TECHNICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THE COLOR > BLUE!?!?" Seems like a pretty simple question to me. :) > I admit, it's interesting & cool because it's different (both the blue > mobo & purple PCI slots), but it doesn't have much technical bearing. Yeah, I guess it is a little cool, but I don't see why we have to hide computers away in awfull cabinets like the ones we can get right now. Why aren't there more translucent cabinets out there? Something to hang on the wall would be even more geeky! > Just my one cent. (Give me a break, I bankrupted myself buying computer > stuff yesterday.) So which one did you buy? Especially: does it have any nice colors! -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Nov 8 19:40:26 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #1617 - 13 msgs In-Reply-To: <20011108231443.XPRJ29594.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@there> References: <200111082139.fA8Ld4c26540@sprite.real-time.com> <20011108231443.XPRJ29594.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@there> Message-ID: <20011108182637.6e9ac31c.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Carl Zeilon wrote: > > I'm running Mandrake 8.1. There are only 4 *.o.gz files in > /lib/modules/2.4.8-26mdk/kernel/drivers/ide (ataraid, hptraid, > ide-tape, & pdcraid) modprobe ide-floppy returns "can't locate module > ide-floppy" Kudzu is a program that is supposed to detect changes in > hardware & then configure it for you. It works great for my SCSI 7 disk > changer that I only use so often. I remember someone raving about how > well 8.1 mounted/unmounted removable drives. Please help Well, it might be compiled into the kernel, or otherwise pre-loaded. `cat /proc/ide/drivers' to find out. You might find other interesting stuff in the /proc/ide hierarchy.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ How does one expect the / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ unexpected? \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(tneu@visi.com) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- All of the problems associated with Intellectual property can easily be resolved by keeping those who believe in it on a strict diet of Intellectual bread and water. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ______ _ __ "If you don't have the freedom to use what you / ' ) ) own - then you do not own anything." / o ______ / / _ . . No apologies to Jack Valenti or the MPAA / <_/ / / < / (_ well... The short version is "your screwed". The long version is "If you didn't reformat the drives and remember the exact sizes of the partitions and can repartition them exactly as before it may be possible to mount them on a different linux box and copy any needed files over". In other words... You are so screwed. If you can't do that feel free to do a full install. In my experience w/ RH I always have problems w/ the upgrade. Usually crashes on me. Best thing is to backup your files and do a standard install. I guess I'll have to go for the first born since I'm only 20... :-) sim > Argh! > > I just ran out and bought 7.2 so I'd have the 'official' cd > distribution. > I get all the way to the last screen of the install process and get a > kernel > panic. Says "Attempted to kill init!", whatever that means. > > I am attempting to install over 6.1, I can't upgrade because my > partitions > were blown away. > > Any good advice and I'll give you my first born, or a beer. From markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net Thu Nov 8 20:27:21 2001 From: markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cheap Memory References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE118@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <00ed01c168bf$b476a080$1e02a8c0@zippy> General Nano Systems http://www.nanosys1.com/ 128 mb under 10 bucks. 256 mb for $16.99. Not *the* cheapest but pretty cheap and very conviently located. And no *&%! rebates to deal with. Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Austad, Jay" To: Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 10:28 AM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Cheap Memory Tran Micro has 256MB sticks of PC133 for $14.99. Either Micron or Corsair, your choice. 256MB of PC2100 DDR for $29.99 a stick. > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Harris [mailto:PaulHarris@Bigfoot.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 8:51 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Cheap Memory > > > Hi all, > > Just thought I'd point out that OfficeDepot is having a sale > on PNY 128MB memory. PC66/100 or PC133 is available for $20, > less a $15 rebate, so $5 a stick! This is at the downtown > Minneapolis store, don't know about the others. > > Cheers, Paul > 256MB happy > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From thomas at stderr.net Thu Nov 8 20:28:00 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting In-Reply-To: <20011108162935.3ae8a030.blayer@qwest.net>; from blayer@qwest.net on Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 04:29:35PM -0600 References: <018101c16892$a2c38100$eaaf7a81@doug> <20011108223922.R64644@io.stderr.net> <20011108162935.3ae8a030.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20011109030145.A25687@io.stderr.net> On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 04:29:35PM -0600, Bill Layer wrote: > On Thu, 8 Nov 2001 22:39:22 +0100 > "Thomas Eibner" wrote: > > > Now we just need to persuade the perl mongers to do the same thing every > > wednesday and I'm all set! > > perl mongers? http://minneapolis.pm.org/ -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net Thu Nov 8 20:31:25 2001 From: markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Aww yeah, new box References: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BC090@postman.transition.com> Message-ID: <019e01c168c3$a7bedf20$1e02a8c0@zippy> Real cheap boards are not dyed at all; dye cost money! Natural PCB color is a light tan or a pasty grey, depending on the base plastic; G-10 or FR-4. Many cheap (consumer electronics) PCB's are green, because they use a cheaper board, and only one sided thru-holes. From markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net Thu Nov 8 20:37:02 2001 From: markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:18 2005 Subject: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Advocacy (was Re: (was ...))) References: <004d01c1686c$a657c090$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <006d01c168bd$8b7cbcc0$1e02a8c0@zippy> I am also trying to get web <-->database thing going. So far I have got the web form <--->Perl part working; Yippie for CGI. The cgi-lib code makes this falling-off-a-log simple. Now for the Perl<--->database part. I am actually working on it tonight. It seem that DBI is the way to go. If I understand this correctly it works the same for most databases. I downloaded it last night and am working through the documentation. A little working sample code would be nice. Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" To: Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Advocacy (was Re: (was ...)) MySQL is easier with PHP, for one reason, it is much easier to get the value of an autoincrement key for a row you just inserted. PostgreSQL is rather lacking in this respect. So, for somebody new, use MySQL -- then migrate -- keep things generic. Over time, you get to learn both. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hvidsten, Leif" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 2:27 PM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Advocacy (was Re: (was ...)) > So for someone who wants to learn relational database concepts (with no background other than M$ Access) and wants to learn PHP as well, would you recommend PostgreSQL over MySQL? I was planning to focus on using MySQL with PHP and Apache, would PostgreSQL be a better way to start? I'm very unfamiliar with these database technologies at the moment and would welcome any feedback. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 11:03:16AM -0600, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > Now, what's [better-than-row-level locking] supposed to mean? > > > Attribute-level-locking? > > > > Exerpt from http://www3.us.postgresql.org/features.html > > > > Multi-Version Concurrency Control (MVCC) for highly scalable > > concurrent applications: > > * Readers do not block writers and writers do not > > block readers. > > * "Better than row-level locking." > > * Various row and table level locks are available as well. > > > > Detail found at > > http://www3.us.postgresql.org/users-lounge/docs/7.1/user/mvcc.html > > > > > Ignore the trolls and use what suits you best. A flatfile > > if that does > > > the job. > > > > Agreed, use what does the job. I'm a huge proponent of text files. I > > wouldn't like the Debian system as much if I wasn't. Given a large > > dataset, with records numbering in the tens of thousands, a more > > scalable solution may be required. Thus, RDBMS's come into > > the picture. > > If you require an RDBMS, MySQL may fit the bill. After having worked > > with Informix, Sybase, and MSSQL, I'm used to features standard in > > commercial SQL Standards compliant databases. MySQL falls far short > > when compared to these. The developers of MySQL say as much. > > > > > Mysql doesn't offer those but it doesn't have the overhead either. > > > > I'm not sure what you're getting at. PostgreSQL doesn't have any > > greater overhead than MySQL. They're both "bloated" compared to flat > > files. ;-) There are many myths out there about PostgreSQL's speed, > > especially when you factor in the improvements to the 7.1 version over > > the 6.5. Regardless, the point is moot. > > > > -- > > Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie > > http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr > > Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD > > > > > > PRIVACY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain business confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If this e-mail was not intended for you, please notify the sender by reply e-mail that you received this in error. Destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From williamleeper at att.net Thu Nov 8 20:40:19 2001 From: williamleeper at att.net (William Leeper) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SUSE 7.2 Message-ID: <004f01c168bf$10144290$e156fea9@w2000dell> I see a lot of users are using RedHat Linux. Are there many that are using SUSE 7.2 ? This is what I have recently installed. I am a new user to Linux. So far so good with the installation and configuration. Just looking if someone else might be out there to bounce SUSE 7.2 questions around with. Thanks Bill -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011108/a39e3aee/attachment.htm From thomas at stderr.net Thu Nov 8 21:37:01 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:19 2005 Subject: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Advocacy (was Re: (was ...))) In-Reply-To: <006d01c168bd$8b7cbcc0$1e02a8c0@zippy>; from markbrowne@mn.mediaone.net on Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 07:26:18PM -0600 References: <004d01c1686c$a657c090$3028680a@tgt.com> <006d01c168bd$8b7cbcc0$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: <20011109034347.D25687@io.stderr.net> On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 07:26:18PM -0600, Mark Browne wrote: > I am also trying to get web <-->database thing going. > So far I have got the web form <--->Perl part working; Yippie for CGI. > The cgi-lib code makes this falling-off-a-log simple. > > Now for the Perl<--->database part. > I am actually working on it tonight. > It seem that DBI is the way to go. > If I understand this correctly it works the same for most databases. > I downloaded it last night and am working through the documentation. > > A little working sample code would be nice. use DBI; my $dbh = DBI->connect("dbi:mysql:","username","password") or die $DBI::errstr; my $sth = $dbh->prepare("select col1,col2 from table where col3 = ?"); $sth->execute('col3val'); while (my ($col1, $col2) = $sth->fetchrow_array()) { print "$col1: $col2\n"; } $sth->finish(); $dbh->disconnect(); hope that helps! -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From dmblevins at mediaone.net Thu Nov 8 21:38:56 2001 From: dmblevins at mediaone.net (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shoot me, please!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for the advice. I was a little unclear in my email though, I just trying to get 7.2 installed period -- I don't care what it does to my disk. Every time the install process gets to the format/write packages part, ... hang...hang... Sometimes I get a Kernel panic, sometimes just nothing. David > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Simeon Johnston > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 7:36 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Shoot me, please!!! > > > well... > The short version is "your screwed". > The long version is "If you didn't reformat the drives and remember the > exact sizes of the partitions and can repartition them exactly as before > it may be possible to mount them on a different linux box and copy any > needed files over". > In other words... You are so screwed. > > If you can't do that feel free to do a full install. In my experience > w/ RH I always have problems w/ the upgrade. Usually crashes on me. > Best thing is to backup your files and do a standard install. > > I guess I'll have to go for the first born since I'm only 20... > :-) > > sim > > Argh! > > > > I just ran out and bought 7.2 so I'd have the 'official' cd > > distribution. > > I get all the way to the last screen of the install process and get a > > kernel > > panic. Says "Attempted to kill init!", whatever that means. > > > > I am attempting to install over 6.1, I can't upgrade because my > > partitions > > were blown away. > > > > Any good advice and I'll give you my first born, or a beer. > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From esper at sherohman.org Thu Nov 8 21:41:10 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:19 2005 Subject: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Advocacy (was Re: (was ...))) In-Reply-To: <006d01c168bd$8b7cbcc0$1e02a8c0@zippy>; from markbrowne@mn.mediaone.net on Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 07:26:18PM -0600 References: <004d01c1686c$a657c090$3028680a@tgt.com> <006d01c168bd$8b7cbcc0$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: <20011108210211.D10825@sherohman.org> On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 07:26:18PM -0600, Mark Browne wrote: > So far I have got the web form <--->Perl part working; Yippie for CGI. > The cgi-lib code makes this falling-off-a-log simple. Yup. > Now for the Perl<--->database part. > I am actually working on it tonight. > It seem that DBI is the way to go. > If I understand this correctly it works the same for most databases. Yup. DBI rocks. > I downloaded it last night and am working through the documentation. > > A little working sample code would be nice. This won't work for you right off, since database names have been changed to protect the guil^Winnocent, but it should be enough to point you in the right direction. --- #!/usr/bin/perl -wT use strict; use DBI; my $dbh = DBI->connect("dbi:Pg:host=SERVERNAME;dbname=DBNAME", "DBUSER", "DBPASSWORD") || die "Failed to connect: $!\n"; my $qry = $dbh->prepare("select * from some_table"); $qry->execute; while (my @row = $qry->fetchrow_array) { print @row; } $dbh->do("delete from some_table"); --- You can omit the host=SERVERNAME part if you're connecting to a local database. It's that easy. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Mr. Slippery From marc at ds6.net Thu Nov 8 22:01:12 2001 From: marc at ds6.net (Marc A. Ohmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High Speed Network Connection In-Reply-To: <20011030185746.A4277@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 06:57:46PM -0600 References: <3BDF1B5E.8861044C@acm.org> <20011030185746.A4277@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011030232728.A4469@flanders.digsol.net> > > What's the difference between a switch and a hub? > switch routes traffic from port to port (at the Ethernet level, as > opposed to a router which routes at the IP level). hub just broadcasts > everything to everybody. What you are refering to as a switch could more accurately [historically] be described as a muliport-bridge. One easy distinction is based on the layer in which a device operates. Bridges operate at the link level [ethernet], switches are network level devices [ip] and routers are internet level devices (they convert between network protocols). The confusion [or lack of distinction] came when LAN or Ethernet switches became commonplace. These switches or multi-port bridges operate at the link layer and generally do not run routing protocols which are common characteristic of a switch -- they instead rely on the spanning tree algorithm. So thanks to Netgear's, linksys', ... marketing, the distinction is gone and it all realy depends on context. If your talking WAN, a switch works at Network Layer (Frame Relay, X.25). If your talking LAN, a switch works at Data Link Layer. I used to get in this argument with my brother all the time when he was taking his ccna exams. I insisted that what I had just bought from best buy for $50 was a switch because it said so on the box. He tried to convince me there was a lot more to it. I didn't understand until I read Larry Peterson's Computer Networks 2nd. -- Marc A. Ohmann Digital Solutions, Inc http://ds6.net marc@ds6.net From spencer at autonomous.tv Thu Nov 8 22:42:14 2001 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SUSE 7.2 In-Reply-To: <004f01c168bf$10144290$e156fea9@w2000dell>; from williamleeper@att.net on Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 07:37:14PM -0600 References: <004f01c168bf$10144290$e156fea9@w2000dell> Message-ID: <20011108214004.G19936@Mail> I have used SuSE 7.1 a good bit. I don't think there are any major differences in 7.2. I think the main diff is 2.4 and prolly KDE 2.2. I am not the LUG SuSE expert, but I have used ppc and x86 versions of 7.1 * William Leeper (williamleeper@att.net) wrote: > I see a lot of users are using RedHat Linux. > > Are there many that are using SUSE 7.2 ? > > This is what I have recently installed. I am a new user to Linux. So far so good with the installation and configuration. > Just looking if someone else might be out there to bounce SUSE 7.2 questions around with. > > Thanks > Bill > Spencer Butler Twin Cities Open Systems http://tcos.stderr.net 6126368989@voicestream.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011108/7a9b64ee/attachment.pgp From thomas at stderr.net Thu Nov 8 22:44:03 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:19 2005 Subject: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Advocacy (was Re: (was ...))) In-Reply-To: <20011108210211.D10825@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 09:02:11PM -0600 References: <004d01c1686c$a657c090$3028680a@tgt.com> <006d01c168bd$8b7cbcc0$1e02a8c0@zippy> <20011108210211.D10825@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20011109050240.G25687@io.stderr.net> On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 09:02:11PM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > #!/usr/bin/perl -wT > > use strict; > use DBI; > > my $dbh = DBI->connect("dbi:Pg:host=SERVERNAME;dbname=DBNAME", > "DBUSER", "DBPASSWORD") > || die "Failed to connect: $!\n"; $! doesn't return the real error here. use $DBI::errstr, DBI->errstr or whatever style you like to call it with. (You can test this with suplying PrintError => 0 to the attributes of the connect call. Your version will just write: Died at $0 line __LINE__ > my $qry = $dbh->prepare("select * from some_table"); > $qry->execute; I'm just being pedantic here..sorry ;) I'd rather have newcomers to DBI use the common (almost standard) name of $sth instead of $qry. (Just for mantainability and when another programmer has to look at the code.) I realize it's getting a bit off-topic now. > while (my @row = $qry->fetchrow_array) { > print @row; > } > > $dbh->do("delete from some_table"); -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Nov 8 22:44:33 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] irq conflicts!!! Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE11C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Ok, I'm trying to set up my new Soyo Dragon+ board, and the ESCD bios crap gives me the following devices on the following IRQ's: Multimedia Device 10 Multimedia Device 10 Mass Storage Cntrlr 10 Multimedia Device 11 USB 11 USB 11 USB 11 Network 11 Display 11 How do I fix this? The only card I have installed is a TV card and a Geforce2 in the AGP slot. Otherwise, everything else is onboard. Normally I wouldn't care, but the system locks during my Mandrake install. Jay From tl at assimilated.org Thu Nov 8 22:44:58 2001 From: tl at assimilated.org (Tim Lupfer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting In-Reply-To: <3BEB1B34.2056ABED@slava.net> References: <3BEB1B34.2056ABED@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011108221901.A1676@assimilated.org> >>>>> Lorry [Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 05:54:28PM -0600]: > I'd do it but it would probably end up always at the same place, and > somewhere I can walk from my apartment. :) Hey, it's beer, who's complaining?! (Not that I'm actually socially adept enough to come to such a meeting, but nonetheless!) -- timothy r. lupfer tl@assimilated.org Familiarity breeds contempt--and children. -- Mark Twain From florin at iucha.net Thu Nov 8 22:45:29 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shoot me, please!!! In-Reply-To: ; from dmblevins@mediaone.net on Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 06:10:38PM -0600 References: <20011108161541.C11038@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20011108222112.A11844@beaver.iucha.org> On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 06:10:38PM -0600, David Blevins wrote: > > It's a: > Dell Dimension XPS T700r > Pentium III 700 > 512 MB Ram > IDE 0 disk 0 - Western Digital 20 gig, 7200 rpms > IDE 0 disk 1 - nothing > IDE 1 disk 0 - CD/DVD-ROM, by Hitatchi (sp?) > IDE 1 disk 1 - CD-RW, by Sony > PCI - 3com 3C905C-TXM NIC (for LAN) > PCI - 3com 3C905C-TX-M NIC (for WAN)-- not used at the moment > PCI - Creative Labs 'something' Live! > AGP - Hercules/Guillemot 3D Prophet 32 MB (NVIDIA GeForce 256 compliant) > > > Running a test on my RAM using the memtest program you recommended, its > about 50% done after 30 minutes. > > I can't imagine I have bad sectors on my hard drive as I can install 6.1 > fine. It doesn't recognize half my system, but the files install ok and the > machine starts (no X or anything fancy though). > > I lost the site (looking for it now), but I found something from the Red Hat > 'install' maining list archive that mentioned needing to pass ide parameters > to the kernel. The failure always happens right when the installer needs to > write to the disk. Any ideas on that? > > I don't need any of the files on the disk, so any avenues involving > completely wiping the disk are A-OK with me. > > Thanks for the direction. A solution that should work: unplug all the non-essential stuff - like the CD-RW, the sound card and the second ethernet and see what happens. Also, do an automatic install first: if it's going to fail, there is no point in answering all the questions of a custom install :) florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011108/de8f94da/attachment.pgp From dmblevins at mediaone.net Fri Nov 9 00:22:19 2001 From: dmblevins at mediaone.net (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Victory! Message-ID: Well, there you have it, Red Hat 7.2 running where Windows 2000 Professional once lived. It just goes to show, there's no problem that can't be solved with a lot of ignorance and constant uneducated button-pushing, Wait,... that's not how the saying goes, is it? I even have X and Gnome up and running. But, man, what a crash course in Linux it has been. I develop daily in a Cygwin bash shell and telnet to my shell at visi.com quite frequently, but I've never really had much experience with system administration/installation/configuration tools. What a ride.... Now the real fun begins! (in the voice of an amazed Homer Simpson) Ohh, A multi-user operating system.. David From tanner at real-time.com Fri Nov 9 00:22:45 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] .sig change to help google ranking? Message-ID: <20011108225411.B32540@real-time.com> This is a post of my new lame sig. See if mailman handles it and let's google rank tclug higher on the list. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Fri Nov 9 00:23:11 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dropped in rank on google Message-ID: <20011108225938.C32540@real-time.com> After are attempts to push tclug up higher in google's rankings for 'minnesota link' we drop 11 this month. Any other ideas? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From yes-I-realize-I-do-not-have-anything-to-contribute-to-the-discussion at stderr.net Fri Nov 9 00:23:41 2001 From: yes-I-realize-I-do-not-have-anything-to-contribute-to-the-discussion at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] irq conflicts!!! In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE11C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 10:15:36PM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE11C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011109060232.I25687@io.stderr.net> On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 10:15:36PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > Ok, I'm trying to set up my new Soyo Dragon+ board, and the ESCD bios crap > gives me the following devices on the following IRQ's: [Snip] > How do I fix this? The only card I have installed is a TV card and a > Geforce2 in the AGP slot. Otherwise, everything else is onboard. Normally > I wouldn't care, but the system locks during my Mandrake install. Sure it's not the purple pci slots that is causing this? /me runs for cover -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From spencer at autonomous.tv Fri Nov 9 00:24:08 2001 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] irq conflicts!!! In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE11C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 10:15:36PM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE11C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011108230152.H19936@Mail> If you are not using the HighPoint controller you can disable it and save irq 10. You can also try to put the tv tuner in another pci slot. * Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com) wrote: > Ok, I'm trying to set up my new Soyo Dragon+ board, and the ESCD bios crap > gives me the following devices on the following IRQ's: > > Multimedia Device 10 > Multimedia Device 10 > Mass Storage Cntrlr 10 > > > Multimedia Device 11 > USB 11 > USB 11 > USB 11 > Network 11 > Display 11 > > > > How do I fix this? The only card I have installed is a TV card and a > Geforce2 in the AGP slot. Otherwise, everything else is onboard. Normally > I wouldn't care, but the system locks during my Mandrake install. > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > Spencer Butler Twin Cities Open Systems http://tcos.stderr.net 6126368989@voicestream.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011109/b7b9c7c6/attachment.pgp From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Nov 9 00:24:42 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] irq conflicts!!! In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE11C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE11C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011108230641.3ed1bc76.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > How do I fix this? The only card I have installed is a TV card and a > Geforce2 in the AGP slot. Otherwise, everything else is onboard. > Normally I wouldn't care, but the system locks during my Mandrake > install. First off, it looks like you might have two sound cards. If one is onboard, you can probably disable it for the duration of the install. If you don't need USB right away, turn that off too. Video adapters don't need IRQs very often (the only time I've needed that enabled is when I use OpenGL/DRI), so you can probably disable that as well. I don't like how modern motherboards pile up devices on certain irqs. I have at least two IRQs free, yet I have four devices on IRQ 11.. Strange. Also, make sure that your BIOS is configured to throw Level interrupts, not Edge. Edge just sends a pulse down the IRQ line, which the CPU/Kernel can miss if they're busy doing other things (like handling some other interrupt). -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ An Elephant: A Mouse built / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ to government \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) specifications. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011109/ce1a52b0/attachment.pgp From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Nov 9 00:33:57 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] irq conflicts!!! In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE11C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: I'm sorry but would you please clarify? i do not see a problem, If you are refering to the multiple devices per IRQ channel then you should not worry about that, the PCI standard allows that as long as no ISA devices occupy the same IRQ. -munir On Thu, 8 Nov 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > Ok, I'm trying to set up my new Soyo Dragon+ board, and the ESCD bios crap > gives me the following devices on the following IRQ's: > > Multimedia Device 10 > Multimedia Device 10 > Mass Storage Cntrlr 10 > > > Multimedia Device 11 > USB 11 > USB 11 > USB 11 > Network 11 > Display 11 > > > > How do I fix this? The only card I have installed is a TV card and a > Geforce2 in the AGP slot. Otherwise, everything else is onboard. Normally > I wouldn't care, but the system locks during my Mandrake install. > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- From mcolivier at earthlink.net Fri Nov 9 01:32:42 2001 From: mcolivier at earthlink.net (Marc Olivier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SuSE 7.3 Problem Message-ID: Hi all, it's me again . I'm still having problems. I did order Debian, but from the product descriptions, it won't have much in the way of server software. Is this accurate? Oh, well, as long as I can get my printer to work. Speaking of which, I tried SuSE again. I also tried Mandrake Linux 6.0 I had laying around. Mandrake would not take. I tried SuSE, as an update. This would not take, either. I tried SuSE as a new install. It took but I still can't get a printer. The error messages when I type LPR are that I don't have LPD installed or I am not root. I also get a console log error, "Get_Local_Host: 'localhost' IP address not available!" Well, I hate to disagree, but I put 127.0.0.1 as the IP address and 255.255.255.0 ias the subnet mask when I was configuring the network card. I also went back and manually installed the LPD package. I still get the same errors. What directories might I need to check to make sure everything is ok? From tanner at real-time.com Fri Nov 9 01:51:32 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] genuity.net spam haven? Message-ID: <20011109011652.C9734@real-time.com> Been using spamcop for spam reports and 32% of the spam I get come from a the networks of genuity.net. Anyone else see this? -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Fri Nov 9 04:12:15 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New ORB out there? Message-ID: <20011109030009.B16185@real-time.com> Got a ton of these in the logs for the listserv: ruleset=check_rcpt, arg1=, relay=202-77-223-35.outblaze.com [202.77.223.35], reject=550 5.7.1 Is there a new ORB out there that I have not heard about? Web site is in php :-) but it looks like some sort of Media Relationship center with 30 million mail boxes under control? What does that mean? -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Fri Nov 9 04:13:27 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lian Lee reseller for their rack cases? Message-ID: <20011109031008.E16185@real-time.com> Anyone know of a reseller for the Lian Li rack cases? The other cases rock, so I'd like to try their rack cases. I also like the rackable cases, but from what we can tell they are only available from rackable as bundled units (can't just get the case). Any other people have recommendations on rack cases? -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From andy at theasis.com Fri Nov 9 05:21:10 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] genuity.net spam haven? In-Reply-To: <20011109011652.C9734@real-time.com> Message-ID: > Been using spamcop for spam reports and 32% of the spam I get come > from a the networks of genuity.net. Directly, or they happen to be under Genuity's AS? Genuity/BBNPlanet provides transit to many huge access and content providers, including a very large portion of AOL customers. So it's only their fault indirectly, because of their customers. Andy From marc at ds6.net Fri Nov 9 05:24:47 2001 From: marc at ds6.net (Marc A. Ohmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache error logs In-Reply-To: ; from nassarmu@redconcepts.net on Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 08:36:34PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011030233608.B4469@flanders.digsol.net> Join the club. By last count I have 71,000 of those in my access_logs. And just over 2000 unique IPs. .exes are Nimda, Code Red [I and II] just looked for default.ida. IIRC On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 08:36:34PM -0600, Munir Nassar wrote: > For a couple of days now i have been getting wierd errors in my Apache > logs, mostly people doing a GET /dir/cmd.exe, or root.exe > > don't these people check the server strings? I may be inexperienced but i > am not brain dead enough to run IIS. or just even plain windows. > > but most importantly: should i report the IPs to someone? (i have about 10 > different IPs so far) is there anything in particular i should do about > this? > > -munir -- Marc A. Ohmann Digital Solutions, Inc http://ds6.net marc@ds6.net From Phillip.J.Crump at WellsFargo.COM Fri Nov 9 10:07:52 2001 From: Phillip.J.Crump at WellsFargo.COM (Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:20 2005 Subject: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Ad vocacy (was Re: (was ...))) Message-ID: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E07057994@msgmsp15.norwest.com> perl := yuck java := good > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas Eibner [SMTP:thomas@stderr.net] > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 8:44 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] > PostgreSQL Advocacy (was Re: (was ...))) > > On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 07:26:18PM -0600, Mark Browne wrote: > > I am also trying to get web <-->database thing going. > > So far I have got the web form <--->Perl part working; Yippie for CGI. > > The cgi-lib code makes this falling-off-a-log simple. > > > > Now for the Perl<--->database part. > > I am actually working on it tonight. > > It seem that DBI is the way to go. > > If I understand this correctly it works the same for most databases. > > I downloaded it last night and am working through the documentation. > > > > A little working sample code would be nice. > > use DBI; > > my $dbh = DBI->connect("dbi:mysql:","username","password") or die > $DBI::errstr; > > my $sth = $dbh->prepare("select col1,col2 from table where col3 = ?"); > > $sth->execute('col3val'); > > while (my ($col1, $col2) = $sth->fetchrow_array()) { > print "$col1: $col2\n"; > } > > $sth->finish(); > > $dbh->disconnect(); > > hope that helps! > > -- > Thomas Eibner DnsZone > mod_pointer > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jeffr at odeon.net Fri Nov 9 10:08:57 2001 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shoot me, please!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is a shot in the dark, but I recall seeing something recently about Dell setting IDE devices to cable select rather than actually jumpering devices as master/slave, and that this can cause problems for the redhat 7.1/7.2 installer. Jeff On Thu, 8 Nov 2001, David Blevins wrote: > > It's a: > Dell Dimension XPS T700r > Pentium III 700 > 512 MB Ram > IDE 0 disk 0 - Western Digital 20 gig, 7200 rpms > IDE 0 disk 1 - nothing > IDE 1 disk 0 - CD/DVD-ROM, by Hitatchi (sp?) > IDE 1 disk 1 - CD-RW, by Sony > PCI - 3com 3C905C-TXM NIC (for LAN) > PCI - 3com 3C905C-TX-M NIC (for WAN)-- not used at the moment > PCI - Creative Labs 'something' Live! > AGP - Hercules/Guillemot 3D Prophet 32 MB (NVIDIA GeForce 256 compliant) > > > Running a test on my RAM using the memtest program you recommended, its > about 50% done after 30 minutes. > > I can't imagine I have bad sectors on my hard drive as I can install 6.1 > fine. It doesn't recognize half my system, but the files install ok and the > machine starts (no X or anything fancy though). > > I lost the site (looking for it now), but I found something from the Red Hat > 'install' maining list archive that mentioned needing to pass ide parameters > to the kernel. The failure always happens right when the installer needs to > write to the disk. Any ideas on that? > > I don't need any of the files on the disk, so any avenues involving > completely wiping the disk are A-OK with me. > > Thanks for the direction. > > David > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Florin Iucha > > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 4:16 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Shoot me, please!!! > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 02:46:55PM -0600, David Blevins wrote: > > > Argh! > > > > > > I just ran out and bought 7.2 so I'd have the 'official' cd > > distribution. > > > I get all the way to the last screen of the install process and > > get a kernel > > > panic. Says "Attempted to kill init!", whatever that means. > > > > > > I am attempting to install over 6.1, I can't upgrade because my > > partitions > > > were blown away. > > > > > > > What machine is that? CPU, Memory, HDD? > > > > Have you ran memtest86 on it recently? www.memtest86.com for details. > > Have you ran badblocks on the hdd? > > > > florin > > > > -- > > > > "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." > > > > 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From PaulHarris at Bigfoot.com Fri Nov 9 10:16:57 2001 From: PaulHarris at Bigfoot.com (Paul Harris) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Is this a network card I see before me? Message-ID: <20011109151705.29730.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Hi, I have acquired an internal card last used to link a friend's PC to his cable modem. It is made by DLink, has two green LEDs (labelled Link and ACC I think), and a single RJ-45 (or whatever it's called) connector. So am I right in thinking this is a network card? And when I insert it into my machine to make myself installfest compliant :) what will I need to do to my Debian/Woody/2.2 box to recognize it? Cheers, Paul From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Nov 9 10:17:30 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Copyrights and Copywrongs Message-ID: <20011109092725.0a71bc64.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Pretty good column at MSNBC, subtitled `Why Thomas Jefferson would love Napster' http://www.msnbc.com/news/594462.asp -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ "Very funny, Scotty. Now / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ beam down my clothes." \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: The Register had an article on this very subject (RH 7.2 not installing)... and the problem was indeed the IDE devices being jumpered as cs vs m/s... > ---------- > From: jeffr@odeon.net[SMTP:jeffr@odeon.net] > Reply To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 8:45 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Shoot me, please!!! > > > This is a shot in the dark, but I recall seeing something recently about > Dell setting IDE devices to cable select rather than actually jumpering > devices as master/slave, and that this can cause problems for the redhat > 7.1/7.2 installer. > > Jeff > > On Thu, 8 Nov 2001, David Blevins wrote: > > > > > It's a: > > Dell Dimension XPS T700r > > Pentium III 700 > > 512 MB Ram > > IDE 0 disk 0 - Western Digital 20 gig, 7200 rpms > > IDE 0 disk 1 - nothing > > IDE 1 disk 0 - CD/DVD-ROM, by Hitatchi (sp?) > > IDE 1 disk 1 - CD-RW, by Sony > > PCI - 3com 3C905C-TXM NIC (for LAN) > > PCI - 3com 3C905C-TX-M NIC (for WAN)-- not used at the moment > > PCI - Creative Labs 'something' Live! > > AGP - Hercules/Guillemot 3D Prophet 32 MB (NVIDIA GeForce 256 compliant) > > > > > > Running a test on my RAM using the memtest program you recommended, its > > about 50% done after 30 minutes. > > > > I can't imagine I have bad sectors on my hard drive as I can install 6.1 > > fine. It doesn't recognize half my system, but the files install ok and the > > machine starts (no X or anything fancy though). > > > > I lost the site (looking for it now), but I found something from the Red Hat > > 'install' maining list archive that mentioned needing to pass ide parameters > > to the kernel. The failure always happens right when the installer needs to > > write to the disk. Any ideas on that? > > > > I don't need any of the files on the disk, so any avenues involving > > completely wiping the disk are A-OK with me. > > > > Thanks for the direction. > > > > David > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Florin Iucha > > > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 4:16 PM > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Shoot me, please!!! > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 02:46:55PM -0600, David Blevins wrote: > > > > Argh! > > > > > > > > I just ran out and bought 7.2 so I'd have the 'official' cd > > > distribution. > > > > I get all the way to the last screen of the install process and > > > get a kernel > > > > panic. Says "Attempted to kill init!", whatever that means. > > > > > > > > I am attempting to install over 6.1, I can't upgrade because my > > > partitions > > > > were blown away. > > > > > > > > > > What machine is that? CPU, Memory, HDD? > > > > > > Have you ran memtest86 on it recently? www.memtest86.com for details. > > > Have you ran badblocks on the hdd? > > > > > > florin > > > > > > -- > > > > > > "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." > > > > > > 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Fri Nov 9 11:06:10 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:21 2005 Subject: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQLAdvocacy (was Re: (was ...))) Message-ID: You forgot the: import java.Troll.*; line, Phil. ;-) >>> Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM 11/09/01 08:20AM >>> perl := yuck java := good > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas Eibner [SMTP:thomas@stderr.net] > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 8:44 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] > PostgreSQL Advocacy (was Re: (was ...))) > > On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 07:26:18PM -0600, Mark Browne wrote: > > I am also trying to get web <-->database thing going. > > So far I have got the web form <--->Perl part working; Yippie for CGI. > > The cgi-lib code makes this falling-off-a-log simple. > > > > Now for the Perl<--->database part. > > I am actually working on it tonight. > > It seem that DBI is the way to go. > > If I understand this correctly it works the same for most databases. > > I downloaded it last night and am working through the documentation. > > > > A little working sample code would be nice. > > use DBI; > > my $dbh = DBI->connect("dbi:mysql:","username","password") or die > $DBI::errstr; > > my $sth = $dbh->prepare("select col1,col2 from table where col3 = ?"); > > $sth->execute('col3val'); > > while (my ($col1, $col2) = $sth->fetchrow_array()) { > print "$col1: $col2\n"; > } > > $sth->finish(); > > $dbh->disconnect(); > > hope that helps! > > -- > Thomas Eibner DnsZone > mod_pointer > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hvidsl at parknicollet.com Fri Nov 9 11:06:37 2001 From: hvidsl at parknicollet.com (Hvidsten, Leif) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] irq conflicts!!! Message-ID: Your motherboard manual should say which PCI slots share IRQs. That way you can put your card(s) in the PCI slot(s) that won't share IRQs to eliminate possible conflicts. For example, my IWill KK266-R (KT133A chipset) is set up so that AGP/PCI 1/PCI 5 share an IRQ, PCI 2/PCI 6 share an IRQ, PCI 3/on-board sound share, and PCI 4/on-board RAID controller share. This setup will vary greatly from mobo to mobo....my Abit KT7A-RAID I used to have (based on the same KT133A chipset) was setup differently. I can see which IRQs the particular PCI card or on-board device will take within the BIOS menus. In one of the menus it will list something like USB Controller taking IRQ 11, Multimedia card taking IRQ 5, etc..(because I forced it to that IRQ in the BIOS). One other tip, especially when you have USB and a HighPoint controller enabled, is to disable in the BIOS whatever you don't need. Do you need the LPT/parallel printer port enabled? Disabling will usually free up IRQ 7. Do you need your serial ports? Disabling both will free up IRQ's 3 and 4, if I remember correctly. Forcing PCI slots to take certain IRQs may help as well, if offered in your BIOS. > > If you are not using the HighPoint controller you can disable it and > save irq 10. You can also try to put the tv tuner in another pci slot. > * Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com) wrote: > > Ok, I'm trying to set up my new Soyo Dragon+ board, and the > ESCD bios crap > > gives me the following devices on the following IRQ's: > > > > Multimedia Device 10 > > Multimedia Device 10 > > Mass Storage Cntrlr 10 > > > > > > Multimedia Device 11 > > USB 11 > > USB 11 > > USB 11 > > Network 11 > > Display 11 > > > > > > > > How do I fix this? The only card I have installed is a TV > card and a > > Geforce2 in the AGP slot. Otherwise, everything else is > onboard. Normally > > I wouldn't care, but the system locks during my Mandrake install. > > > > Jay > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > Spencer Butler > Twin Cities Open Systems > http://tcos.stderr.net > 6126368989@voicestream.net > PRIVACY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain business confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If this e-mail was not intended for you, please notify the sender by reply e-mail that you received this in error. Destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. From wilson at visi.com Fri Nov 9 11:07:11 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Is this a network card I see before me? In-Reply-To: <20011109151705.29730.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Message-ID: On 9 Nov 2001, Paul Harris wrote: > I have acquired an internal card last used to link a friend's PC to his cable modem. It is made by DLink, has two green LEDs (labelled Link and ACC I think), and a single RJ-45 (or whatever it's called) connector. You are the proud owner of a NIC. Congratulations, you should be InstallFest compliant. If possible, try to find out which chipset it uses. Then you'll know for sure whether it's supported. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Nov 9 11:15:51 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Victory! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1005323495.2500.0.camel@minime> On Thu, 2001-11-08 at 22:51, David Blevins wrote: > > Now the real fun begins! Yeah, you're screwed now. Eventually you'll spend all your time tinkering and tinkering. Installing software, removing it, learning how to employ new services, fooling around with encryption, setting up firewalls, filtering bridges, IPSec VPN's, cross-platform file serving, security auditing, shell programming and any of the billions of other things available to you now. Your life as you know it now is over! Welcome to the land of geek. You have been assimilated. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E07057994@msgmsp15.norwest.com>; from Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM on Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 08:20:23AM -0600 References: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E07057994@msgmsp15.norwest.com> Message-ID: <20011109173535.A29682@io.stderr.net> On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 08:20:23AM -0600, Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM wrote: > perl := yuck > java := good Instead of trolling why don't you show us how the same thing would have been done in Java? -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Fri Nov 9 11:18:39 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:21 2005 Subject: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Ad vocacy (was Re: (was ...))) In-Reply-To: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E07057994@msgmsp15.norwest.com>; from Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM on Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 08:20:23AM -0600 References: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E07057994@msgmsp15.norwest.com> Message-ID: <20011109104002.A20590@trammell.dyndns.org> On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 08:20:23AM -0600, Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM wrote: > perl := yuck > java := good And who am I to argue with such a well-reasoned, cogent argument? :-) -- johntrammell@yahoo.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org From esper at sherohman.org Fri Nov 9 11:19:07 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:21 2005 Subject: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Ad vocacy (was Re: (was ...))) In-Reply-To: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E07057994@msgmsp15.norwest.com>; from Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM on Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 08:20:23AM -0600 References: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E07057994@msgmsp15.norwest.com> Message-ID: <20011109104418.B17793@sherohman.org> On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 08:20:23AM -0600, Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM wrote: > perl := yuck > java := good And you want to make perl yucky and java good why? -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Mr. Slippery From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Nov 9 11:21:42 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] irq conflicts!!! Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE11E@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Yeah, it's not an IRQ problem. I removed everything but the video card and disabled all of the onboard stuff, and I still have the same problem. It seems to only lock during heavy disk access. I only have a 300W power supply (160W combined), and the athlon 1700+ takes around 90 watts, so that leaves only another 70 watts for disk, board, and video card. All of the recommended power supplies on AMD's site have over 200W of combined power. I'm going to Micro Center to see what I can find today. Hopefully that's my problem. > -----Original Message----- > From: Munir Nassar [mailto:nassarmu@redconcepts.net] > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 11:36 PM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] irq conflicts!!! > > > I'm sorry but would you please clarify? i do not see a problem, > > If you are refering to the multiple devices per IRQ channel > then you should not worry about that, the PCI standard allows > that as long as no ISA devices occupy the same IRQ. > > -munir > > On Thu, 8 Nov 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > Ok, I'm trying to set up my new Soyo Dragon+ board, and the > ESCD bios > > crap gives me the following devices on the following IRQ's: > > > > Multimedia Device 10 > > Multimedia Device 10 > > Mass Storage Cntrlr 10 > > > > > > Multimedia Device 11 > > USB 11 > > USB 11 > > USB 11 > > Network 11 > > Display 11 > > > > > > > > How do I fix this? The only card I have installed is a TV > card and a > > Geforce2 in the AGP slot. Otherwise, everything else is onboard. > > Normally I wouldn't care, but the system locks during my Mandrake > > install. > > > > Jay > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Fri Nov 9 11:22:23 2001 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Is this a network card I see before me? In-Reply-To: <20011109151705.29730.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Message-ID: yep that is a nic. Colin From florin at iucha.net Fri Nov 9 12:11:41 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Is this a network card I see before me? In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 10:26:42AM -0600 References: <20011109151705.29730.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Message-ID: <20011109111726.A1203@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 10:26:42AM -0600, Timothy Wilson wrote: > On 9 Nov 2001, Paul Harris wrote: > > > I have acquired an internal card last used to link a friend's PC to his cable modem. It is made by DLink, has two green LEDs (labelled Link and ACC I think), and a single RJ-45 (or whatever it's called) connector. > > You are the proud owner of a NIC. Congratulations, you should be InstallFest > compliant. > > If possible, try to find out which chipset it uses. Then you'll know for > sure whether it's supported. If you have the card in you hand try searching google for various substrings of the main chip's model. If that fails, put it in a linux computer and do a lspci -v and search for that. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011109/8a1b9cea/attachment.pgp From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Nov 9 12:18:29 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] genuity.net spam haven? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE125@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > > Been using spamcop for spam reports and 32% of the spam I get come > > from a the networks of genuity.net. > > Directly, or they happen to be under Genuity's AS? > Genuity/BBNPlanet provides transit to many huge access and > content providers, including a very large portion of AOL > customers. So it's only their fault indirectly, because of > their customers. It's that friggin' black rocket! I knew that thing was trouble the first time I laid eyes on it... From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Nov 9 12:18:57 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] irq conflicts!!! Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE126@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> The problem is, almost everything is onboard, so I can't move it around. I don't think it's an IRQ problem anyway, I think it's due to lack of power. I read about someone else having the same problem with their Athlon 1.4, and they stuck in a bigger power supply and it was fine. > -----Original Message----- > From: Hvidsten, Leif [mailto:hvidsl@parknicollet.com] > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 10:25 AM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] irq conflicts!!! > > > > Your motherboard manual should say which PCI slots share > IRQs. That way you can put your card(s) in the PCI slot(s) > that won't share IRQs to eliminate possible conflicts. For > example, my IWill KK266-R (KT133A chipset) is set up so that > AGP/PCI 1/PCI 5 share an IRQ, PCI 2/PCI 6 share an IRQ, PCI > 3/on-board sound share, and PCI 4/on-board RAID controller > share. This setup will vary greatly from mobo to mobo....my > Abit KT7A-RAID I used to have (based on the same KT133A > chipset) was setup differently. I can see which IRQs the > particular PCI card or on-board device will take within the > BIOS menus. In one of the menus it will list something like > USB Controller taking IRQ 11, Multimedia card taking IRQ 5, > etc..(because I forced it to that IRQ in the BIOS). One > other tip, especially when you have USB and a HighPoint > controller enabled, is to disable in the BIOS whatever you > don't need. Do you need the LPT/parallel printer port > enabled? Disabling will usually free up IRQ 7. ! Do you > need your serial ports? Disabling both will free up IRQ's 3 > and 4, if I remember correctly. Forcing PCI slots to take > certain IRQs may help as well, if offered in your BIOS. > > > > If you are not using the HighPoint controller you can > disable it and > > save irq 10. You can also try to put the tv tuner in > another pci slot. > > * Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com) wrote: > > > Ok, I'm trying to set up my new Soyo Dragon+ board, and the > > ESCD bios crap > > > gives me the following devices on the following IRQ's: > > > > > > Multimedia Device 10 > > > Multimedia Device 10 > > > Mass Storage Cntrlr 10 > > > > > > > > > Multimedia Device 11 > > > USB 11 > > > USB 11 > > > USB 11 > > > Network 11 > > > Display 11 > > > > > > > > > > > > How do I fix this? The only card I have installed is a TV > > card and a > > > Geforce2 in the AGP slot. Otherwise, everything else is > > onboard. Normally > > > I wouldn't care, but the system locks during my Mandrake install. > > > > > > Jay > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > Spencer Butler > > Twin Cities Open Systems > > http://tcos.stderr.net > > 6126368989@voicestream.net > > > > PRIVACY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any > attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) > and may contain business confidential and privileged > information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or > distribution is prohibited. If this e-mail was not intended > for you, please notify the sender by reply e-mail that you > received this in error. Destroy all copies of the original > message and attachments. > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From florin at iucha.net Fri Nov 9 12:19:27 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:22 2005 Subject: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQLAdvocacy (was Re: (was ...))) In-Reply-To: ; from troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us on Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 10:22:38AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011109112500.B1203@beaver.iucha.org> No he didn't forgot it. He doesn't need that. java trolling is wired in his vm... florin PS. And where do the ":=" come from? Is he trying to convince himself? If he wanted to state an opinion, he should have used java == good, or java.is(good), or ... florin On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 10:22:38AM -0600, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > You forgot the: > > import java.Troll.*; > > line, Phil. ;-) > > >>> Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM 11/09/01 08:20AM >>> > perl := yuck > java := good -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011109/52983377/attachment.pgp From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Nov 9 12:20:09 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:22 2005 Subject: Coding holy war (was Re: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Ad vocacy (was Re: (was ...)))) In-Reply-To: <20011109104418.B17793@sherohman.org> Message-ID: On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 08:20:23AM -0600, Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM wrote: > perl := yuck > java := good Where'd that come from? From my experiences, PERL has never been bad and Java has never been good. -Brian From florin at iucha.net Fri Nov 9 12:23:03 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] irq conflicts!!! In-Reply-To: ; from hvidsl@parknicollet.com on Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 10:25:07AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011109113044.C1203@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 10:25:07AM -0600, Hvidsten, Leif wrote: > > Your motherboard manual should say which PCI slots share IRQs. That way you can put your card(s) in the PCI slot(s) that won't share IRQs to eliminate possible conflicts. For example, my IWill KK266-R (KT133A chipset) is set up so that AGP/PCI 1/PCI 5 share an IRQ, PCI 2/PCI 6 share an IRQ, PCI 3/on-board sound share, and PCI 4/on-board RAID controller share. This setup will vary greatly from mobo to mobo....my Abit KT7A-RAID I used to have (based on the same KT133A chipset) was setup differently. I can see which IRQs the particular PCI card or on-board device will take within the BIOS menus. In one of the menus it will list something like USB Controller taking IRQ 11, Multimedia card taking IRQ 5, etc..(because I forced it to that IRQ in the BIOS). One other tip, especially when you have USB and a HighPoint controller enabled, is to disable in the BIOS whatever you don't need. Do you need the LPT/parallel printer port enabled? Disabling will usually free up IRQ 7. ! > Do you need your serial ports? Disabling both will free up IRQ's 3 and 4, if I remember correctly. Forcing PCI slots to take certain IRQs may help as well, if offered in your BIOS. No matter how many PCI slots do you have and how many IRQs do you have (on a regular board, that is... there are boards with multiple PCI busses), all the PCI boards on a bus can have one of the 4 interrupts: A, B, C and D. The mapping between A, B, C and D and the interrupts we know (and hate) 3, 4, 5, 11, 12 whatever, happens at boot time and is done by the BIOS or the OS. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011109/f52a3810/attachment.pgp From phil at rephil.org Fri Nov 9 12:23:39 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (phil@rephil.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:22 2005 Subject: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Ad vocacy (was Re: (was ...))) In-Reply-To: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E07057994@msgmsp15.norwest.com>; from Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM on Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 08:20:23AM -0600 References: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E07057994@msgmsp15.norwest.com> Message-ID: <20011109114436.A10520@rephil.org> On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 08:20:23AM -0600, Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM wrote: > perl := yuck > java := good They both stink. Who needs object oriented programming or loose/un-typed variables? Fortran-77 rules. -- I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. From tl at assimilated.org Fri Nov 9 12:26:20 2001 From: tl at assimilated.org (Tim Lupfer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:22 2005 Subject: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Ad vocacy (was Re: (was ...))) In-Reply-To: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E07057994@msgmsp15.norwest.com> References: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E07057994@msgmsp15.norwest.com> Message-ID: <20011109114803.A1256@assimilated.org> >>>>> Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM [Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 08:20:23AM -0600]: > perl := yuck > java := good no wonder why wells fargo always lost my money when I banked there... -- timothy r. lupfer tl@assimilated.org Familiarity breeds contempt--and children. -- Mark Twain From Phillip.J.Crump at WellsFargo.COM Fri Nov 9 12:26:51 2001 From: Phillip.J.Crump at WellsFargo.COM (Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:22 2005 Subject: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQLAdv ocacy (was Re: (was ...))) Message-ID: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E07057A8C@msgmsp15.norwest.com> Good one.. Smalltalk rules! > -----Original Message----- > From: Troy.A Johnson [SMTP:troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us] > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 10:23 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] > PostgreSQLAdvocacy (was Re: (was ...))) > > You forgot the: > > import java.Troll.*; > > line, Phil. ;-) > > >>> Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM 11/09/01 08:20AM >>> > perl := yuck > java := good > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Thomas Eibner [SMTP:thomas@stderr.net] > > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 8:44 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] > > PostgreSQL Advocacy (was Re: (was ...))) > > > > On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 07:26:18PM -0600, Mark Browne wrote: > > > I am also trying to get web <-->database thing going. > > > So far I have got the web form <--->Perl part working; Yippie for CGI. > > > The cgi-lib code makes this falling-off-a-log simple. > > > > > > Now for the Perl<--->database part. > > > I am actually working on it tonight. > > > It seem that DBI is the way to go. > > > If I understand this correctly it works the same for most databases. > > > I downloaded it last night and am working through the documentation. > > > > > > A little working sample code would be nice. > > > > use DBI; > > > > my $dbh = DBI->connect("dbi:mysql:","username","password") or > die > > $DBI::errstr; > > > > my $sth = $dbh->prepare("select col1,col2 from table where col3 = ?"); > > > > $sth->execute('col3val'); > > > > while (my ($col1, $col2) = $sth->fetchrow_array()) { > > print "$col1: $col2\n"; > > } > > > > $sth->finish(); > > > > $dbh->disconnect(); > > > > hope that helps! > > > > -- > > Thomas Eibner DnsZone > > mod_pointer > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Phillip.J.Crump at WellsFargo.COM Fri Nov 9 12:27:22 2001 From: Phillip.J.Crump at WellsFargo.COM (Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:22 2005 Subject: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Ad vocacy (was Re: (was ...))) Message-ID: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E07057A90@msgmsp15.norwest.com> I honestly don't have a problem w/ perl....I just like objects (they make me feel warm & fuzzy).. > -----Original Message----- > From: John J. Trammell [SMTP:trammell@trammell.dyndns.org] > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 10:40 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] > PostgreSQL Ad vocacy (was Re: (was ...))) > > On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 08:20:23AM -0600, Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM > wrote: > > perl := yuck > > java := good > > And who am I to argue with such a well-reasoned, cogent argument? :-) > > -- > johntrammell@yahoo.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drake+tclug at lemongecko.org Fri Nov 9 12:40:34 2001 From: drake+tclug at lemongecko.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache error logs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011030234801.A5758@lemongecko.org> On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 08:36PM -0600, Munir Nassar wrote: > For a couple of days now i have been getting wierd errors in my Apache > logs, mostly people doing a GET /dir/cmd.exe, or root.exe I am seeing the same thing, but I suspect it's a Nimda variant. Here's a snippet from my logs: 65.96.212.248 - - [30/Oct/2001:22:20:20 -0600] "GET /scripts/root.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 281 "-" "-" 65.96.212.248 - - [30/Oct/2001:22:20:20 -0600] "GET /MSADC/root.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 279 "-" "-" 65.96.212.248 - - [30/Oct/2001:22:20:21 -0600] "GET /c/winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 289 "-" "-" 65.96.212.248 - - [30/Oct/2001:22:20:21 -0600] "GET /d/winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 289 "-" "-" 65.96.212.248 - - [30/Oct/2001:22:20:21 -0600] "GET /scripts/..%255c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 303 Just one would look like a k1ddi3 trying to be 733t...but this is five hits from the same IP in a couple seconds, plus the more typical Nimda string. *sigh* I wish someone would take a baseball bat to every Winblows box sitting on the 65.0.0.0 class A. My firewall now drops packets to port 80 from that class A, but I am still getting crap in my logs. Dan -- | 4699 BDCB B1A5 28B6 7F8A F8DF EB6A BC2A B0A1 99BF (GPG) | Dan Drake | http://lemongecko.org/drake/ | public key: email -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011109/08bc2e33/attachment.pgp From hvidsl at parknicollet.com Fri Nov 9 13:37:14 2001 From: hvidsl at parknicollet.com (Hvidsten, Leif) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] caught in Window's hell -- Is there an Emergency Rescue Disk for XP? Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Of course nothing's simple with M$....any help would be appreciated. Is there an emergency rescue disk utility for Win XP? I know that Win2K had it. Does WinXP have an application to make boot disks? I know that the W2K install CD has the makedisk.exe application to make 4 boot disks....does WinXP have that as well? I can't find it on my install disk. The reason I'm asking is that I'm quad-booting with WinXP, Win98, Red Hat Linux, and SCO UNIX. I run Linux, XP, and 98 all off the NT boot loader, and it works wonderfully. Yesterday, however, I was defragging Win 98 with Norton Speed Disk from the Systemworks 2001 CD. The defragger messed up Win98's boot record somehow so that if I select Win98 from the NT boot loader menu, I get the horrible insert system disk error and 98 won't load. WinXP and Linux still work fine though. This happened to me a long time ago and the only way to fix it is to reinstall Win98. That's where my problem is....it's never recommended to install Win98 after installing Windows NT/2000/XP. The only way it works while still preserving the XP data is by reinstalling 98 and then rebooting with Windows NT boot disks and running the emergency rescue disks to fix the boot record so 98 and NT can load. However, XP doesn't seem to provide any kind of boot disks nor any kind of emergency rescue disk. Does anyone have any suggestions? Do I just use the CD? Here's my resource for installing Win98 after WinXP: http://www.winntmag.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=8312 One thing I did do was I copied my bootloader files onto a disk....maybe this is all I need to restore after installing Win98 to get XP to work again or is there more? reference: http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q101/6/68.asp bootloader files I copied to a floppy: boot.ini NTLDR Ntdetect.com Bootsect.dos Bootsect.lnx (this is for registering my Linux boot record with the NT Loader) Any help would be greatly appreciated. Leif Hvidsten Metro-MN CCOP E-mail: mailto:hvidsl@parknicollet.com Phone: (952) 993-1535 PGP ID: 0x3626E2CD Key Fingerprint: 21C2 286E 8FAF 25D1 9356 923A 0D05 6DE8 3626 E2CD -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBO+wc2w0Fbeg2JuLNEQLZRACgmup3mJ3I13mnTxuRQam9Ro6XhG0AoMPo MUWATN5S8QEcj4UADyNU0ELZ =P+yw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- PRIVACY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain business confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If this e-mail was not intended for you, please notify the sender by reply e-mail that you received this in error. Destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20011109173535.A29682@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: Class.forName("org.gjt.mm.mysql.Driver"); try { java.sql.Connection connection = java.sql.DriverManager.getConnection("jdbc:mysql://host/database", user, password); try { java.sql.Statement statement = connection.createStatement(); java.sql.ResultSet resultSet = statement.executeQuery("select foo from bar"); while( resultSet.next()) { System.out.println( resultSet.getString("foo")); } } finally { connection.close(); } } catch( java.sql.SQLException exception) { exception.printStackTrace(); } > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Thomas Eibner > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 8:36 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL > Ad vocacy (was Re: (was ...))) > > > On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 08:20:23AM -0600, > Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM wrote: > > perl := yuck > > java := good > > Instead of trolling why don't you show us how the same thing would have > been done in Java? > > -- > Thomas Eibner DnsZone > mod_pointer > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From uak at nerp.net Fri Nov 9 13:39:16 2001 From: uak at nerp.net (Ursula A. Kallio) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:22 2005 Subject: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Ad vocacy (was Re: (was ...))) In-Reply-To: <20011109114436.A10520@rephil.org> Message-ID: > They both stink. Who needs object oriented programming or > loose/un-typed variables? Fortran-77 rules. That would be FORTRAN 77 and Fortran for all other versions. uak From hvidsl at parknicollet.com Fri Nov 9 13:41:39 2001 From: hvidsl at parknicollet.com (Hvidsten, Leif) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] irq conflicts!!! Message-ID: I'm using a 300W power supply to run my Athlon that consumes about 75W, 2 40GB+ hard drives, GeForce2 card, sound, NIC, and 7 fans including a 120mm monster fan. I haven't had any power issues at all, but I know when it comes to power supplies....it is not so much the wattage rating as it is the quality. I've heard of several 400W or 450W power supplies that can't stand up to a 350W power supply. You might want to read up on them and make sure you get a good kind. > -----Original Message----- > From: Austad, Jay [mailto:austad@marketwatch.com] > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 11:24 AM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] irq conflicts!!! > > > The problem is, almost everything is onboard, so I can't move > it around. I > don't think it's an IRQ problem anyway, I think it's due to > lack of power. > I read about someone else having the same problem with their > Athlon 1.4, and > they stuck in a bigger power supply and it was fine. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Hvidsten, Leif [mailto:hvidsl@parknicollet.com] > > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 10:25 AM > > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] irq conflicts!!! > > > > > > > > Your motherboard manual should say which PCI slots share > > IRQs. That way you can put your card(s) in the PCI slot(s) > > that won't share IRQs to eliminate possible conflicts. For > > example, my IWill KK266-R (KT133A chipset) is set up so that > > AGP/PCI 1/PCI 5 share an IRQ, PCI 2/PCI 6 share an IRQ, PCI > > 3/on-board sound share, and PCI 4/on-board RAID controller > > share. This setup will vary greatly from mobo to mobo....my > > Abit KT7A-RAID I used to have (based on the same KT133A > > chipset) was setup differently. I can see which IRQs the > > particular PCI card or on-board device will take within the > > BIOS menus. In one of the menus it will list something like > > USB Controller taking IRQ 11, Multimedia card taking IRQ 5, > > etc..(because I forced it to that IRQ in the BIOS). One > > other tip, especially when you have USB and a HighPoint > > controller enabled, is to disable in the BIOS whatever you > > don't need. Do you need the LPT/parallel printer port > > enabled? Disabling will usually free up IRQ 7. ! Do you > > need your serial ports? Disabling both will free up IRQ's 3 > > and 4, if I remember correctly. Forcing PCI slots to take > > certain IRQs may help as well, if offered in your BIOS. > > > > > > If you are not using the HighPoint controller you can > > disable it and > > > save irq 10. You can also try to put the tv tuner in > > another pci slot. > > > * Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com) wrote: > > > > Ok, I'm trying to set up my new Soyo Dragon+ board, and the > > > ESCD bios crap > > > > gives me the following devices on the following IRQ's: > > > > > > > > Multimedia Device 10 > > > > Multimedia Device 10 > > > > Mass Storage Cntrlr 10 > > > > > > > > > > > > Multimedia Device 11 > > > > USB 11 > > > > USB 11 > > > > USB 11 > > > > Network 11 > > > > Display 11 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do I fix this? The only card I have installed is a TV > > > card and a > > > > Geforce2 in the AGP slot. Otherwise, everything else is > > > onboard. Normally > > > > I wouldn't care, but the system locks during my > Mandrake install. > > > > > > > > Jay > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > Spencer Butler > > > Twin Cities Open Systems > > > http://tcos.stderr.net > > > 6126368989@voicestream.net > > > > > > > PRIVACY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any > > attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) > > and may contain business confidential and privileged > > information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or > > distribution is prohibited. If this e-mail was not intended > > for you, please notify the sender by reply e-mail that you > > received this in error. Destroy all copies of the original > > message and attachments. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > PRIVACY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain business confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If this e-mail was not intended for you, please notify the sender by reply e-mail that you received this in error. Destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. From dmblevins at mediaone.net Fri Nov 9 13:43:46 2001 From: dmblevins at mediaone.net (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Victory! In-Reply-To: <1005323495.2500.0.camel@minime> Message-ID: Ben Lutgens wrote: > > > On Thu, 2001-11-08 at 22:51, David Blevins wrote: > > > > Now the real fun begins! > > Yeah, you're screwed now. Eventually you'll spend all your time > tinkering and tinkering. Installing software, removing it, learning how > to employ new services, fooling around with encryption, setting up > firewalls, filtering bridges, IPSec VPN's, cross-platform file serving, > security auditing, shell programming and any of the billions of other > things available to you now. > > Your life as you know it now is over! Welcome to the land of geek. You > have been assimilated. I already have the XDMCP service up and running so I can run XWin-32 from my Win2k laptop. It runs really slowly though. Next: - Get samba configured (never done that) - Move my CVS repositories from the old Win2k machine to Linux (where they should be!) - Get the cvs pserver configured (did that once a year ago, don't rember how though) - Configure a firewall (never done that) - Setup a gateway/router (never done that) - Setup bind (tried once, no success) - Virtual hosting with apache (pretty simple) - Configure sendmail (no clue) - Configure PostgreSQL And, of course, I've already wasted half my day tinkering with themes and window managers. (As the Tick, or your favorite super hero in peril) Must...focus..day...slipping..away.... A VPN sounds like fun, then I can give my friends accounts on my machine. Why? Because I can ;) David David From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Nov 9 13:44:29 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache error logs In-Reply-To: <20011030234801.A5758@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Dan Drake wrote: > Just one would look like a k1ddi3 trying to be 733t...but this is five > hits from the same IP in a couple seconds, plus the more typical Nimda > string. > > *sigh* I wish someone would take a baseball bat to every Winblows box > sitting on the 65.0.0.0 class A. My firewall now drops packets to port > 80 from that class A, but I am still getting crap in my logs. erm, who owns the 65.0.0.0 class A? on the same subject: i thought internet address classes were deprecated? -munir > > Dan > > -- From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Nov 9 13:45:08 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache error logs Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE129@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> You probably shouldn't drop everything from that class A if you're running a commercial site. That class A is no different from any other one. Plus, who cares anyway? You're running linux, you're not vulnerable to nimda anyway. > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Drake [mailto:drake+tclug@lemongecko.org] > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 11:48 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Apache error logs > > > On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 08:36PM -0600, Munir Nassar wrote: > > For a couple of days now i have been getting wierd errors > in my Apache > > logs, mostly people doing a GET /dir/cmd.exe, or root.exe > > I am seeing the same thing, but I suspect it's a Nimda > variant. Here's a snippet from my logs: > > 65.96.212.248 - - [30/Oct/2001:22:20:20 -0600] "GET > /scripts/root.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 281 "-" "-" > 65.96.212.248 - - [30/Oct/2001:22:20:20 -0600] "GET > /MSADC/root.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 279 "-" "-" > 65.96.212.248 - - [30/Oct/2001:22:20:21 -0600] "GET > /c/winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 289 "-" "-" > 65.96.212.248 - - [30/Oct/2001:22:20:21 -0600] "GET > /d/winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 289 "-" "-" > 65.96.212.248 - - [30/Oct/2001:22:20:21 -0600] "GET > /scripts/..%255c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 303 > > Just one would look like a k1ddi3 trying to be 733t...but > this is five hits from the same IP in a couple seconds, plus > the more typical Nimda string. > > *sigh* I wish someone would take a baseball bat to every > Winblows box sitting on the 65.0.0.0 class A. My firewall now > drops packets to port 80 from that class A, but I am still > getting crap in my logs. > > Dan > > -- > | 4699 BDCB B1A5 28B6 7F8A F8DF EB6A BC2A B0A1 99BF > (GPG) Dan > | Drake | http://lemongecko.org/drake/ > | public key: email > From esper at sherohman.org Fri Nov 9 13:45:44 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:23 2005 Subject: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQLAdvocacy (was Re: (was ...))) In-Reply-To: <20011109112500.B1203@beaver.iucha.org>; from florin@iucha.net on Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 11:25:00AM -0600 References: <20011109112500.B1203@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20011109130117.D17793@sherohman.org> On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 11:25:00AM -0600, Florin Iucha wrote: > PS. And where do the ":=" come from? Is he trying to convince himself? If he > wanted to state an opinion, he should have used java == good, or java.is(good), > or ... Pascal. It's the assignment operator. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Mr. Slippery From dmblevins at mediaone.net Fri Nov 9 14:00:18 2001 From: dmblevins at mediaone.net (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:23 2005 Subject: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Advocacy (was Re: (was ...))) In-Reply-To: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E07057994@msgmsp15.norwest.com> Message-ID: Java is my weapon of choice too, but Perl can be a lot of fun. Little things like this are great: ($m, $t, $w, $th, $f) = @days[1..5]; It takes few lines of code to do that in Java. Mostly just type declarations and explicit array index references, not exactly exciting stuff. If Java would provide native support for regular expressions I would be the happiest developer ever -- or at least as happy as the Perl mongers are now. -David > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of > Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 8:20 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL > Advocacy (was Re: (was ...))) > > > perl := yuck > java := good > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Thomas Eibner [SMTP:thomas@stderr.net] > > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 8:44 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] > > PostgreSQL Advocacy (was Re: (was ...))) > > > > On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 07:26:18PM -0600, Mark Browne wrote: > > > I am also trying to get web <-->database thing going. > > > So far I have got the web form <--->Perl part working; Yippie for CGI. > > > The cgi-lib code makes this falling-off-a-log simple. > > > > > > Now for the Perl<--->database part. > > > I am actually working on it tonight. > > > It seem that DBI is the way to go. > > > If I understand this correctly it works the same for most databases. > > > I downloaded it last night and am working through the documentation. > > > > > > A little working sample code would be nice. > > > > use DBI; > > > > my $dbh = > DBI->connect("dbi:mysql:","username","password") or die > > $DBI::errstr; > > > > my $sth = $dbh->prepare("select col1,col2 from table where col3 = ?"); > > > > $sth->execute('col3val'); > > > > while (my ($col1, $col2) = $sth->fetchrow_array()) { > > print "$col1: $col2\n"; > > } > > > > $sth->finish(); > > > > $dbh->disconnect(); > > > > hope that helps! > > > > -- > > Thomas Eibner DnsZone > > mod_pointer > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbutler2 at mmm.com Fri Nov 9 14:06:37 2001 From: mbutler2 at mmm.com (mbutler2@mmm.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A bit off... topic, that is Message-ID: Hi all- My curiousity was aroused by a mail I got from a friend, and I wanted to know: what is the future for Linux? This has been asked before, and answered many ways, so one more time, for me, get out your crystal balls (or brass), find your Kreskin's crystal, throw the Magic 8-ball out, and roll it around, or just look deeply into the toilet, and tell me what you see. I want it all, aliens comingdown to take over and give everyone the perfect OS, to Linus Torvalds being elected supreme ruler of the earth, to "linux will die out in 2 years, it's a fad, just like rap and heavy metal." So I'm curious, and I've some time to look at responses, before I have more real work to do, so let's see them..... Just to get started, the mail I recieved was of the mind that Linux ( and other free OSes) will roll over the proprietary OSes in the next 5 or so years and that computing will change for the better. My response was that I see many OSes, and all have their place, or niche, we may see some market settling and some of the players might disappear, but because of business drivers, and other motivations in the corporate sector, linux will see a significant entrance into the corporate data center, but it will not replace everything you see now. I'm paraphrasing, but it got me wondering..... Thanks for your time and efforts, mbutler From mbutler2 at mmm.com Fri Nov 9 14:40:40 2001 From: mbutler2 at mmm.com (mbutler2@mmm.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SGI's for the having.... Message-ID: Anyone ever wanted to mess with an SGI? A real, honest to goodness MIPS box? Would you like an Indigo2? A friend of mine has 20 or so fully outfitted Indigo2s, monitor, keyboard, and mouse. They are set for $200 a piece, a steal at current prices, that takes the whole deal, you can go home and plug it in and run. They come with the current level of OS (6.5.10 or 12, depending), and a good amount of RAM and the processor is the R4400, 150 MHz. If you are interested, please mail one of the addresses below. SGI Indigo2 Workstation 21" SGI Monitor ( 13w3 connection ) Keyboard Mouse 2 1 GB Hard drives R4400 150 MHz Processor XZ Graphics 96 MB Ram IRIX 6.5.12 Maintance Release. New install. Price $200.00 All systems are in working condition, the cases may need to be cleaned up a bit, but no permanent markings or scars. Please contact Jeremy at jshawley@shawley.myip.org or jshawley@sgi.com to make arangements if you would like to purchase one or just check them out. Thanks, mbutler From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Nov 9 14:47:05 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:23 2005 Subject: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Ad vocacy (was Re: (was ...))) In-Reply-To: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E07057A90@msgmsp15.norwest.com> References: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E07057A90@msgmsp15.norwest.com> Message-ID: <20011109134328.B24946@wookimus.net> On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 11:54:34AM -0600, Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM wrote: > I honestly don't have a problem w/ perl....I just like objects (they > make me feel warm & fuzzy).. See also (use man or perldoc): perlboot Perl OO tutorial for beginners perltoot Perl OO tutorial, part 1 perltootc Perl OO tutorial, part 2 perlobj Perl objects perlbot Perl OO tricks and examples perltie Perl objects hidden behind simple variables -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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No picking on F(ortran|ORTRAN). F(ortran|ORTRAN) rocks! -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Cookies are tasty! |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://faircopyright.org/ From Phillip.J.Crump at WellsFargo.COM Fri Nov 9 14:51:39 2001 From: Phillip.J.Crump at WellsFargo.COM (Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:23 2005 Subject: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQLAdv ocacy (was Re: (was ...))) Message-ID: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E07057AE7@msgmsp15.norwest.com> The := is Smalltalk syntax.. All the beauty of objects.. > -----Original Message----- > From: Florin Iucha [SMTP:florin@iucha.net] > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 11:25 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] > PostgreSQLAdvocacy (was Re: (was ...))) > > No he didn't forgot it. He doesn't need that. java trolling is wired in > his > vm... > > florin > > PS. And where do the ":=" come from? Is he trying to convince himself? If > he > wanted to state an opinion, he should have used java == good, or > java.is(good), > or ... > > florin > > On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 10:22:38AM -0600, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > > You forgot the: > > > > import java.Troll.*; > > > > line, Phil. ;-) > > > > >>> Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM 11/09/01 08:20AM >>> > > perl := yuck > > java := good > > -- > > "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." > > 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From thomas at stderr.net Fri Nov 9 14:55:12 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:23 2005 Subject: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Ad vocacy (was Re: (was ...))) In-Reply-To: ; from mbresnah@visi.com on Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 12:26:32PM -0800 References: <20011109173535.A29682@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20011109210633.B29682@io.stderr.net> On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 12:26:32PM -0800, Mike Bresnahan wrote: > Class.forName("org.gjt.mm.mysql.Driver"); > try { > java.sql.Connection connection = > java.sql.DriverManager.getConnection("jdbc:mysql://host/database", user, > password); > try { > java.sql.Statement statement = connection.createStatement(); > java.sql.ResultSet resultSet = statement.executeQuery("select foo from > bar"); > while( resultSet.next()) { > System.out.println( resultSet.getString("foo")); > } > } > finally { > connection.close(); > } > } > catch( java.sql.SQLException exception) { > exception.printStackTrace(); > } _Thank you_ - now, if you want to change to another database it's enough to change the java.sql.DriverManager.getConnection and Class.forName? Another thing I'm wondering about is how placeholders work in Java? (I'm assuming it has got that) -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From hvidsl at parknicollet.com Fri Nov 9 14:55:39 2001 From: hvidsl at parknicollet.com (Hvidsten, Leif) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache error logs Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 It might be roadrunner. I have roadrunner cable internet access through Time-Warner and my IP was 65.25.218.141, though now it has been changed due to some administrative glitch where they swapped my account with some other bloak. Now I'm 65.30.xxx.xxx. I can't remember the rest, it's a new IP. **Note to self: Must memorize IP. Must memorize IP. > -----Original Message----- > From: Munir Nassar [mailto:nassarmu@redconcepts.net] > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 12:53 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Apache error logs > > > On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Dan Drake wrote: > > > Just one would look like a k1ddi3 trying to be 733t...but > this is five > > hits from the same IP in a couple seconds, plus the more > typical Nimda > > string. > > > > *sigh* I wish someone would take a baseball bat to every > Winblows box > > sitting on the 65.0.0.0 class A. My firewall now drops > packets to port > > 80 from that class A, but I am still getting crap in my logs. > > erm, who owns the 65.0.0.0 class A? on the same subject: i thought > internet address classes were deprecated? > > -munir > > > > Dan > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBO+w31g0Fbeg2JuLNEQJytgCgsqP+AcCHIf0/15c+olhyigXz4D0AoNeB DZZhSroJtEkXV5SpcSqitpto =coZY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- PRIVACY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain business confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If this e-mail was not intended for you, please notify the sender by reply e-mail that you received this in error. Destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. From PCZeilon at att.net Fri Nov 9 14:56:20 2001 From: PCZeilon at att.net (Carl & Paula Zeilon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: ATAPI zip In-Reply-To: <200111090227.fA92Rrc31413@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011109140725.014d6990@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Thanks, cat /proc/ide/drivers did produce "ide-floppy version .97" along with other ide drivers that are working just fine. For example, my IDE CDRW is assigned to sd0 & operates just fine (I assume it uses the ide-scsi driver). Where do I go from here? I sure appreciate all the help. At 08:27 PM 11/8/2001, you wrote: >Carl Zeilon wrote: > > > > I'm running Mandrake 8.1. There are only 4 *.o.gz files in > > /lib/modules/2.4.8-26mdk/kernel/drivers/ide (ataraid, hptraid, > > ide-tape, & pdcraid) modprobe ide-floppy returns "can't locate module > > ide-floppy" Kudzu is a program that is supposed to detect changes in > > hardware & then configure it for you. It works great for my SCSI 7 disk > > changer that I only use so often. I remember someone raving about how > > well 8.1 mounted/unmounted removable drives. Please help > >Well, it might be compiled into the kernel, or otherwise pre-loaded. `cat >/proc/ide/drivers' to find out. You might find other interesting stuff in >the /proc/ide hierarchy.. From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Nov 9 14:56:56 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache error logs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, Munir Nassar wrote: > erm, who owns the 65.0.0.0 class A? on the same subject: i thought > internet address classes were deprecated? @Home owns it, so it's most likely some Win2K boxen that have IIS running, clueless to the operator. Address classes are alive and kicking. -Brian From mbresnah at visi.com Fri Nov 9 14:59:12 2001 From: mbresnah at visi.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:24 2005 Subject: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Advocacy (was Re: (was ...))) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > If Java would provide native support for regular expressions I > would be the > happiest developer ever -- or at least as happy as the Perl > mongers are now. I'm not so sure I'd be happy about native support for regular expressions in a general purpose programming language such as Java. I think that sort of thing belongs in the speciality/scripting/4GL language arena. If you need to do language parsing in Java you can always use a compiler construction tool such as JavaCC. Additionally, if the parsing task is complex enough, you can do a lot more powerful things and produce higher quality code with a compiler construction tool than with Perl's regular expressions. I'm not a fan of hand written language parsers. They're fine for simple tasks, but don't scale well to more complex problems. However, I do agree that for simple tasks, Perl's regular expressions are awfully handy. For those not familiar with compiler construction tools, they are generally code generators that given a grammer description produce code that contains a parser for the given grammer. The produced parsers are often split into two parts: a lexical analyzer and a parser. The lexical analyzer splits the input stream into tokens and the parser interprets the organization of the tokens. For example, if parsing the english language the lexical analyzer would identify nouns, verbs, adjectives, etc. and the parser would interpret the meaning of sentences, paragraphs, etc. It is interesting to note that Perl regular expressions provide support only for lexical analyzation; not parsing. The parser has to be hand written in Perl. Besides JavaCC, there is lex/yacc, flex/bison, PCCTS, and probably many more. Mike From josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org Fri Nov 9 14:59:46 2001 From: josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:24 2005 Subject: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Ad vocacy (was Re: (was ...))) In-Reply-To: <20011109114436.A10520@rephil.org> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Uh... no. perl variables aren't loose or untyped. They're just doubles, string pointers and magic simultaneously. ;-) I had a weird moment when I realized that a single scalar contain a double/integer value and simultaneously an unrelated string value. That would be something like: $a = 'string'; $a = 1; and having both values be stored. Admittedly this level of perl trickery involves having some C or XS code around but it's actually mentioned as a possibility in one the perlguts manpage. And no, I'm not talking about $a = 'something'; @a = ('another thing'); %a = ('yet', 'another', 'altogether', 'now.'); ;-) I just like it that perl has structures explicitly named 'magic' and 'more_magic' (a pointer to another 'majic' structure). It makes me think of that more_magic story from the jargon file. Joshua b. Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 http://www.greentechnologist.org On Fri, 9 Nov 2001 phil@rephil.org wrote: > On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 08:20:23AM -0600, Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM wrote: > > perl := yuck > > java := good > > They both stink. Who needs object oriented programming or > loose/un-typed variables? Fortran-77 rules. > > -- > I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, > but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE77DDQfexLsowstzcRAvLIAKCLPeKHgyFToJezBZGXy9uW1PDkJgCfZ36l B6JFITtc/WgQtXxBB8BV4iY= =2cvV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mbresnah at visi.com Fri Nov 9 16:05:52 2001 From: mbresnah at visi.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A bit off... topic, that is In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Why are so many people so concerned about Linux being accepted by the corporate world? Linux is cool because of the very fact that it is not accepted by the corporate world. It's highly configurable, the source code is available, it's free... it's, it's geek heaven! To become accepted by the corporate world some or all of these things would have to change, no? It would have to become more like Microsoft Windows and in so doing it would cease to be cool. I say, forget about evangelizing Linux to the corporate world and leave it where it belongs and is loved. Am I insane? Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of mbutler2@mmm.com > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 11:32 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] A bit off... topic, that is > > > > Hi all- > > > My curiousity was aroused by a mail I got from a friend, and I wanted > to know: what is the future for Linux? > > > This has been asked before, and answered many ways, so one more time, > for me, get out your crystal balls (or brass), find your > Kreskin's crystal, > throw the Magic 8-ball out, and roll it around, or just look deeply into > the toilet, and tell me what you see. I want it all, aliens comingdown to > take over and give everyone the perfect OS, to Linus Torvalds > being elected > supreme ruler of the earth, to "linux will die out in 2 years, it's a fad, > just like rap and heavy metal." > So I'm curious, and I've some time to look at responses, > before I have > more real work to do, so let's see them..... > > > Just to get started, the mail I recieved was of the mind that Linux ( > and other free OSes) will roll over the proprietary OSes in the next 5 or > so years and that computing will change for the better. > My response was that I see many OSes, and all have their place, or > niche, we may see some market settling and some of the players might > disappear, but because of business drivers, and other motivations in the > corporate sector, linux will see a significant entrance into the corporate > data center, but it will not replace everything you see now. > I'm paraphrasing, but it got me wondering..... > > > > Thanks for your time and efforts, > > > > mbutler > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From uak at nerp.net Fri Nov 9 16:08:48 2001 From: uak at nerp.net (Ursula A. Kallio) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FORTRAN --> In-Reply-To: <20011109134628.A16459@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: Indeed. I was looking into the future back there. :) uak On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, Jim Crumley wrote: > > That would be FORTRAN 77 and Fortran for all other versions. > > > No that would be FORTRAN for at least FORTRAN I, FORTRAN II, > FORTRAN III, FORTRAN IV, FORTRAN 66, and FORTRAN 77. and Fortran > for at least Fortran 90 and Fortran 95. > > > And now my shift finger is strained. Ouch. > > No picking on F(ortran|ORTRAN). F(ortran|ORTRAN) rocks! From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Nov 9 16:14:49 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Victory! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1005340220.2672.0.camel@minime> On Fri, 2001-11-09 at 12:40, David Blevins wrote: > - Get samba configured (never done that) SWAT is your friend. > - Move my CVS repositories from the old Win2k machine to Linux (where they > should be!) > - Get the cvs pserver configured (did that once a year ago, don't rember how > though) If you don't need anonymous access skip the pserver. Set up your respository then tunnel cvs over ssh like so in your .bashrc do export CVSROOT=":ext:username@your.cvs.host:/cvs" export CVS_RSH="ssh" adjust that path in CVSROOT to match your needs. Then when you run cvs co MODULE on the local machine, you'll be prompted for your shell account password. Be really slick and set up your ssh keys, ssh-agent, and use ssh-askpass from your .xsession like so: 1.) Use ssh-keygen command line util to create your key. 2.) copy $HOME/.ssh/identity.pub from your workstation to $HOME/.ssh/authorized_keys on the server with the cvs tree (or any other machine you want to ssh to 3.) put the following in your .xsession #!/bin/sh eval `ssh-agent` ssh-add > And, of course, I've already wasted half my day tinkering with themes and > window managers. (As the Tick, or your favorite super hero in peril) > Must...focus..day...slipping..away.... See! It's impossible to get real work done! Then that damnable Loki came along and gave quake3 and other kick ass games like that on linux. It's horrible I tell you! So much stuff to mess with! > A VPN sounds like fun, then I can give my friends accounts on my machine. > Why? Because I can ;) Well, let's see if you feel that way after fighting with FreeS/WAN :-) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In that case I believe you use JNDI (Java Native Directory Interface) to find databases and the proper driver is automagically loaded. Don't quote me though. Other than that, I am quite happy with JDBC. It sure is a lot easier than using equivalent interfaces in C/C++ and since the database engine is generally the bottleneck, I don't notice the relative slowness of Java. Another thing to note is that some (all?) JDBC 2.0 compliant drivers support connection pooling. This is generally a huge performance win. A lot of time can otherwise be wasted opening and closing physical connections. Without such support I end up coding my own connection pooling is most cases, and thus JDBC 2.0 saves me the effort. > Another thing I'm wondering about is how placeholders work in Java? > (I'm assuming it has got that) What do you mean by "placeholders"? Mike From mbresnah at visi.com Fri Nov 9 16:17:39 2001 From: mbresnah at visi.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:24 2005 Subject: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Ad vocacy (was Re: (was ...))) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You just illustrated my major complaint about Perl. Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Joshua b. Jore > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 11:39 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL > Ad vocacy (was Re: (was ...))) > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Uh... no. perl variables aren't loose or untyped. They're just doubles, > string pointers and magic simultaneously. ;-) I had a weird moment when I > realized that a single scalar contain a double/integer value and > simultaneously an unrelated string value. That would be something like: > > $a = 'string'; > $a = 1; > > and having both values be stored. Admittedly this level of perl trickery > involves having some C or XS code around but it's actually mentioned as a > possibility in one the perlguts manpage. And no, I'm not talking about > > $a = 'something'; > @a = ('another thing'); > %a = ('yet', 'another', > 'altogether', 'now.'); > > ;-) > > I just like it that perl has structures explicitly named 'magic' and > 'more_magic' (a pointer to another 'majic' structure). It makes me think > of that more_magic story from the jargon file. > > Joshua b. Jore > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > http://www.greentechnologist.org From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Fri Nov 9 16:19:11 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:24 2005 Subject: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQLAdvocacy (was Re: (was ...))) Message-ID: Or you can use one of the Lingua::* or Parse::* modules from CPAN. Unless you feel a need to do everything yourself. ;-) >>> mbresnah@visi.com 11/09/01 04:42PM >>> > The parser has to be hand written in Perl. From josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org Fri Nov 9 16:32:40 2001 From: josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: ATAPI zip In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011109140725.014d6990@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Actually, that you are reading that string from /proc indicates that your ide-floppy driver is already loaded. Joshua b. Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 http://www.greentechnologist.org On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, Carl & Paula Zeilon wrote: > Thanks, cat /proc/ide/drivers did produce "ide-floppy version .97" along > with other ide drivers that are working just fine. For example, my IDE > CDRW is assigned to sd0 & operates just fine (I assume it uses the ide-scsi > driver). Where do I go from here? I sure appreciate all the help. > > At 08:27 PM 11/8/2001, you wrote: > >Carl Zeilon wrote: > > > > > > I'm running Mandrake 8.1. There are only 4 *.o.gz files in > > > /lib/modules/2.4.8-26mdk/kernel/drivers/ide (ataraid, hptraid, > > > ide-tape, & pdcraid) modprobe ide-floppy returns "can't locate module > > > ide-floppy" Kudzu is a program that is supposed to detect changes in > > > hardware & then configure it for you. It works great for my SCSI 7 disk > > > changer that I only use so often. I remember someone raving about how > > > well 8.1 mounted/unmounted removable drives. Please help > > > >Well, it might be compiled into the kernel, or otherwise pre-loaded. `cat > >/proc/ide/drivers' to find out. You might find other interesting stuff in > >the /proc/ide hierarchy.. > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE77EuAfexLsowstzcRAiTcAKDcQ9zD8Ct5w7v26v11854Iw7PX+gCgsSQt 0PvhITBmOf3tSQ/cUpzqymo= =9tsL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From chrome at real-time.com Fri Nov 9 16:49:00 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SGI's for the having.... In-Reply-To: ; from mbutler2@mmm.com on Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 01:41:38PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011109155209.B23125@real-time.com> > SGI Indigo2 Workstation > 21" SGI Monitor ( 13w3 connection ) > Keyboard > Mouse > 2 1 GB Hard drives > R4400 150 MHz Processor > XZ Graphics > 96 MB Ram > IRIX 6.5.12 Maintance Release. New install. these fine folks actually donated one to TCLUG. I've got it sitting on my desk here. have to say, it's pretty effing amazing for a machine built in 1993/1994. boggles my mind that SGI had 150MHz machines at that time.... these things are just as nice as the Indys we were trying to get, a year or two ago... lot nicer, actually. more memory, bigger monitor, more drive space, faster processor. in case you're wondering; yes, I've been watching Electro Paint all morning. it looks pretty amazing on this 19" monitor. :) :) murray, any idea what these things cost when new? I'm thinking $30,000+; and I'm probably low by quite a bit... Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From natecars at real-time.com Fri Nov 9 16:51:26 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache error logs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, Brian wrote: > > erm, who owns the 65.0.0.0 class A? on the same subject: i thought > > internet address classes were deprecated? > > @Home owns it, so it's most likely some Win2K boxen that have IIS running, > clueless to the operator. > > Address classes are alive and kicking. @home doesn't own the entire class a. various parties own it. we get a /23 and a /21 from it. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Nov 9 17:03:57 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A bit off... topic, that is In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1005344228.2823.6.camel@minime> On Fri, 2001-11-09 at 16:55, Mike Bresnahan wrote: > Why are so many people so concerned about Linux being accepted by the > corporate world? Linux is cool because of the very fact that it is not > accepted by the corporate world. It's highly configurable, the source code > is available, it's free... it's, it's geek heaven! To become accepted by > the corporate world some or all of these things would have to change, no? > It would have to become more like Microsoft Windows and in so doing it would > cease to be cool. I say, forget about evangelizing Linux to the corporate > world and leave it where it belongs and is loved. Am I insane? Well, if the corporate world doesn't embrace linux you'll not see opensource projects get funded by big business. In many cases this is a considerable sum and allows the developers to hack and not have to worry about where thier next meal comes from. Absence of corporate sponsership also means that the information devlopers need to write drivers for various pieces of hardware is pretty much non-existent. Furthermore, if the company you work for doesn't get linux you're stuck administering / coding for win32 or one of the proprietary systems. And lastly, no matter what happens there will always be a non-commercial distro and non-commercial software to hack around on, use, and employ in a production environment. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Sysadmin, Prime Minister of email, Duke Of Packets, Chief Backup Monkey Administrator of All Things Network, Prince Of User Complaints Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream telnet decss.zoy.org 31337 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's highly configurable, the source code > is available, it's free... it's, it's geek heaven! To become accepted by > the corporate world some or all of these things would have to change, no? not necessarily. the parts you like, will still be there. some things will likely have to become more standardized (at least locally to given corp environments), primarily for the sake of the helldesk team who has to support it. I do hope that it doesn't *all* become the same, tho. > It would have to become more like Microsoft Windows and in so doing it would > cease to be cool. I say, forget about evangelizing Linux to the corporate > world and leave it where it belongs and is loved. Am I insane? hey, there's always the *BSDs and HURD, for when Linux becomes too popular for your liking (and possibly for its own good). :) that's one of the reasons I play with [Open|Net]BSD sometimes. (and because they're better than Linux for some tasks). Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From list at slushpupie.com Fri Nov 9 17:16:51 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache error logs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011109223756.XROE8294.femail35.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> But not in the same capacity as before. You cannot buy a class A,B, or C license anymore. You can purchase a "class" by /2 /4 /24 /8 , etc from someone who already owns a block. Now days its all ranges, not classes. Jay On Friday 09 November 2001 02:24 pm, you wrote: > On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, Munir Nassar wrote: > > erm, who owns the 65.0.0.0 class A? on the same subject: i thought > > internet address classes were deprecated? > > @Home owns it, so it's most likely some Win2K boxen that have IIS running, > clueless to the operator. > > Address classes are alive and kicking. > > -Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- You will obey or molten silver will be poured into your ears. From jack at jacku.com Fri Nov 9 17:19:44 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SUSE 7.2 In-Reply-To: <004f01c168bf$10144290$e156fea9@w2000dell> References: <004f01c168bf$10144290$e156fea9@w2000dell> Message-ID: <01110916402900.00850@geezer> On Thursday 08 November 2001 19:37, you wrote: > I see a lot of users are using RedHat Linux. > > Are there many that are using SUSE 7.2 ? > > This is what I have recently installed. I am a new user to Linux. So far so > good with the installation and configuration. Just looking if someone else > might be out there to bounce SUSE 7.2 questions around with. > > Thanks > Bill I've been using SuSE since 5.3 days. Currently my system is running 7.2 that was upgraded from 7.0. I've done a couple of "clean" 7.2 installs and suspect this box is head for a rebuild in the not too distant future. So fire away with the SuSE questions I'll answer what I can. (Which may not be much. ;-) -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Nov 9 17:22:42 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: ATAPI zip In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011109140725.014d6990@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <20011109164731.2c5e153a.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "Joshua b. Jore" wrote: > > Actually, that you are reading that string from /proc indicates that > your ide-floppy driver is already loaded. Yep, so you probably just have to find the right device for accessing the zip drive. Look at the /proc/ide/hd?/model files. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Do, or do not; there is no / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ try. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Unless you feel a need to > do everything yourself. ;-) > > >>> mbresnah@visi.com 11/09/01 04:42PM >>> > > The parser has to be hand written in Perl. > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE77F2XfexLsowstzcRAlJXAKC6Y0y4F1hNXcpN4b5OvbF2aVzRNwCgmQAJ 6U7ZPUXecx4BN/6hycC2SdI= =bEVa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Nov 9 17:28:42 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (jethro@freakzilla.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SGI's for the having.... In-Reply-To: <20011109155209.B23125@real-time.com> References: <20011109155209.B23125@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1005346512.3bec5ed0719b3@dragon> Hey, Quoting Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom : > these fine folks actually donated one to TCLUG. I'm seriously thinking I should stake a claim to it since I tried to organize the Indy thing (; > in case you're wondering; yes, I've been watching Electro Paint all > morning. That _was_ my second question (: -Yaron -- From josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org Fri Nov 9 18:05:50 2001 From: josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:25 2005 Subject: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Ad vocacy (was Re: (was ...))) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 This is common statement *but*... these are language features that sane people don't use. They are obfuscated, non-obvious and difficult to use. That said, when the moon is in the right phase and you just happen to need something that does this it's handy to have around. In addition, this multiple-type feature of perl isn't something that people use in most cases except for it's benign and "correct" ways. This usually looks like: for (my $i = 0; $i < 10; $i++) { print $i,"\n"; } or in poorer form: for (my $i = '0'; $i < '10'; $i+='1') { print $i,"\n"; } Sure having this sort of ability allows you to screw up. It also lets you do more cool stuff without having sweat things like .toString() all the time. Not that .toString() is hard, it's just a bit more to thing about. Anyway, I code as if my strings are always string and integers are always integers with an implicit printf("%i",i) available (which is in fact what happens. That's where that string pointer comes in for integer values) Joshua b. Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 http://www.greentechnologist.org On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, Mike Bresnahan wrote: > You just illustrated my major complaint about Perl. > > Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Joshua b. Jore > > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 11:39 AM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL > > Ad vocacy (was Re: (was ...))) > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Uh... no. perl variables aren't loose or untyped. They're just doubles, > > string pointers and magic simultaneously. ;-) I had a weird moment when I > > realized that a single scalar contain a double/integer value and > > simultaneously an unrelated string value. That would be something like: > > > > $a = 'string'; > > $a = 1; > > > > and having both values be stored. Admittedly this level of perl trickery > > involves having some C or XS code around but it's actually mentioned as a > > possibility in one the perlguts manpage. And no, I'm not talking about > > > > $a = 'something'; > > @a = ('another thing'); > > %a = ('yet', 'another', > > 'altogether', 'now.'); > > > > ;-) > > > > I just like it that perl has structures explicitly named 'magic' and > > 'more_magic' (a pointer to another 'majic' structure). It makes me think > > of that more_magic story from the jargon file. > > > > Joshua b. Jore > > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > > http://www.greentechnologist.org > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE77GFdfexLsowstzcRAkCNAJ9QS2E5FLGbDcPyB7Rx0iMdtuMaLACdEqf7 iWnYXvw1SZkIFNbgqqR5BLs= =XVcx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From thomas at stderr.net Fri Nov 9 18:07:17 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:25 2005 Subject: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Ad vocacy (was Re: (was ...))) In-Reply-To: ; from mbresnah@visi.com on Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 03:15:14PM -0800 References: <20011109210633.B29682@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20011110000704.A37383@io.stderr.net> On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 03:15:14PM -0800, Mike Bresnahan wrote: > > Another thing I'm wondering about is how placeholders work in Java? > > (I'm assuming it has got that) > > What do you mean by "placeholders"? If you want to execute a query many times (and I mean many), you use placeholders in perl to get a huge performance increase. Basically it means that the query only needs to be parsed once and then you have the value of the placeholder inserted on executes. (In most cases this is implemented by the DBI driver in perl, since most databases don't support it natively. Although Oracle does.) In perl you'd write something like this: my $sth = $dbh->prepare("insert into table (field) values (?)"); # ? is the placeholder in DBI while (my $input = <>) { # user input chomp $input; $sth->execute($input); } $sth->finish(); So most of the query gets cached and you gain the benefit of not needing to quote the input from the user since that automatically happens by the binding of the placeholders. Does something similar exist in Java? -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From dsherman at real-time.com Fri Nov 9 18:11:04 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A bit off... topic, that is In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1005347472.3200.2.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> On Fri, 2001-11-09 at 16:55, Mike Bresnahan wrote: > Why are so many people so concerned about Linux being accepted by the > corporate world? Linux is cool because of the very fact that it is not > accepted by the corporate world. It's highly configurable, the source code > is available, it's free... it's, it's geek heaven! To become accepted by > the corporate world some or all of these things would have to change, no? > It would have to become more like Microsoft Windows and in so doing it would > cease to be cool. I say, forget about evangelizing Linux to the corporate > world and leave it where it belongs and is loved. Am I insane? Yes, you are insane. OK, seriously, you are speaking as one who does not experience the joy of supporting Windows on the corporate desktop. I have experienced this "joy" for over six years, and I am gunning for Linux every chance I get. I am now a consultant, and I "evangelize" for Linux whenever the opportunity arises, because I truly believe it will save my customers time, frustration, and (most importantly from a business standpoint) MONEY in both the short and long runs. If Linux changed in any of its most important attributes (free as in speech, free as in beer, stable, secure, etc.), it would no longer be Linux. Furthermore, it would no longer provide the value proposition to businesses that it now does, in terms of lower TCO compared to Windows. Just because average corporate users are able to function efficiently using Linux with KDE, Gnome, or whatever (plus the necessary office apps, etc.), does not automatically preclude its still being insanely configurable for geeks and power users. The two are *not* mutually exclusive! So anyway, I say that Linux can and will continue being "geek heaven" for those of us who want it to be, while at the same time becoming even easier to use and more stable for those who just need to get their work done with a minimum of hassle and no unplanned rebooting ;-) Dave -- Where will it all end? Probably somewhere near where it all began. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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A lot of > time can otherwise be wasted opening and closing physical connections. > Without such support I end up coding my own connection pooling is most > cases, and thus JDBC 2.0 saves me the effort. Connection pooling is nice when you implement your own security layer. But when each connection uses different acounts, then it's almos useless. And implementing your own security the _RIGHT_(tm) way it's _HARD_. > > Another thing I'm wondering about is how placeholders work in Java? > > (I'm assuming it has got that) > > What do you mean by "placeholders"? Stuff like: java.sql.PreparedStatement stmt = conn.prepareStatement("UPDATE table3 SET m = ? WHERE x = ?"); stmt.setString(1, "Hi"); florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I put entries in /etc/resolv.conf; and using 'nslookup', it sort of works (finds fully qualified names); but 'ping' and the like don't resolve names. :( in /etc/nsswitch.conf the hosts: line reads: hosts: dns, files what am I missing here? Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Fri Nov 9 18:58:15 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HELP ME! I'M A REDHAT USER! In-Reply-To: <1005242264.1301.15.camel@minime>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 11:57:44AM -0600 References: <1005242264.1301.15.camel@minime> Message-ID: <20011109174634.D12267@real-time.com> > Generally I'm an Enlightenment / Gkrellm user but i'm finding that alot > the things that irritated me about sawfish are gone now. One of the main > things that's always bothered me about gnome/sawfish was stability. No > matter what I did it always seemed to die on me. But I'm realizing that > they all pretty much code to the one flavor of *nix with has the largest > userbase (RedHat) it all installs cleanly and runs well. naah, I think Sawfish/GNOME just wasn't that great until lately. (and still isn't, compared to FVWM). /me ducks for cover Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From Ben at WorksCited.Net Fri Nov 9 19:08:26 2001 From: Ben at WorksCited.Net (Ben Stallings) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A bit off... topic, that is In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01110917560205.00710@Romana> On Friday 09 November 2001 13:31, mbutler wrote: > My curiousity was aroused by a mail I got from a friend, and I wanted > to know: what is the future for Linux? I'm becoming more convinced every day that the future of personal computing is more along the lines of Palm OS than Linux. Even though I'm personally very happy with the little KDE world on my tray table, I've met enough normal users to know that they don't have the patience to learn an OS that's written by and for large corporations, let alone one that's written by and for computer geeks. And they shouldn't have to. Servers are a different matter. I think there's every reason for Linux to dominate the server market in the near future and the foreseeable future... until we have some major breakthrough in computing that makes Linux irrelevant. I still have a lot of hope for Squeak as an environment for personal computing, though so far it's still much too geeky... I guess I should get off my butt and learn Smalltalk so I can help develop it. (http://www.squeak.org) --Ben From florin at iucha.net Fri Nov 9 19:15:50 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Parsing (was a bunch of other stuff) In-Reply-To: ; from josh@kitten.greentechnologist.org on Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 04:49:57PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011109182236.A12018@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 04:49:57PM -0600, Joshua b. Jore wrote: > So this just entered another going concern for me. Parsing. mmmm. Does > anyone have an opinion on using one of the Parse:: modules (RecDescent, > Yapp, YALALR) modules vs perl-byacc? I'm going to have to do some postal > address parsing and I don't have experience with the different libraries > and approaches. I have played with Parse::Yapp but from the surface I like Parse::RecDescent better. Try them all, starting with these two in reverse order :) See which one helps you more write what you want. "This is what I like about Perl." florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011109/8448393d/attachment.pgp From markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net Fri Nov 9 19:18:52 2001 From: markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A bit off... topic, that is References: Message-ID: <006101c16980$17571d40$1e02a8c0@zippy> Hear Hear! You got it in one. I got lots of the same feelings about the old CP/M os (Ya, I know - times change) as I do now for Linux... When I wrote docs for other geeks I could assume a high level of ability. People were making plotters, graphics systems, and all kinds of nifty-cools toys. Being a hacker was a good thing; we all knew the secret handshake. (Do not feel bad if nobody showed it to you - this is how it works: A wave to a screen with the declaration - hey, check this out. The other half of the conversation is - Cool, how did you get it to do that? The best part is you knew they would be able follow the explanation. And suggest improvements.) Before the suit type folks were all concerned about how well computer would fit in their business. Then things changed. Docs had to be written for Homer Simpson to follow. If he could be bothered to read them. All the cool things people at meetings were doing sort-of got replaced by clueless newbies doing DBase biz apps. Then the PC came out and everything went *way* downhill. I quit going to meetings. The Linux universe seems to have picked up the folks I used to know. There is a general appreciation for cool things. Its OK to be excited about shiny toys with funny little knobs. Somehow I suspect the average biz droid would ask: how does a skinnable desktop add anything to the bottom line? Won't that just add support costs for no ROI? Baaa, let them have XP. It's the punishment they so richly deserve. There was the question raised: "Why are so many people so concerned about Linux being accepted by the corporate world?" Most of us make a living doing this stuff and we would prefer to work with the best tools. The XP droids get confused by something they can't understand; they are afraid their heads will explode if they put any new information in. (I see this a real risk for these folks) I don't know that this will happen until the Micro$oft greed things kills the goose that lays the golden egg. I see the first real crack in the armor as the Apple os X thing. This will grow the critical mass of *nix converts. Some of the talented MAC users may contribute to the Linux world. Then again, maybe not. But I can hope. Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Bresnahan" To: Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 4:55 PM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] A bit off... topic, that is Why are so many people so concerned about Linux being accepted by the corporate world? Linux is cool because of the very fact that it is not accepted by the corporate world. It's highly configurable, the source code is available, it's free... it's, it's geek heaven! To become accepted by the corporate world some or all of these things would have to change, no? It would have to become more like Microsoft Windows and in so doing it would cease to be cool. I say, forget about evangelizing Linux to the corporate world and leave it where it belongs and is loved. Am I insane? Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of mbutler2@mmm.com > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 11:32 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] A bit off... topic, that is > > > > Hi all- > > > My curiousity was aroused by a mail I got from a friend, and I wanted > to know: what is the future for Linux? > > > This has been asked before, and answered many ways, so one more time, > for me, get out your crystal balls (or brass), find your > Kreskin's crystal, > throw the Magic 8-ball out, and roll it around, or just look deeply into > the toilet, and tell me what you see. I want it all, aliens comingdown to > take over and give everyone the perfect OS, to Linus Torvalds > being elected > supreme ruler of the earth, to "linux will die out in 2 years, it's a fad, > just like rap and heavy metal." > So I'm curious, and I've some time to look at responses, > before I have > more real work to do, so let's see them..... > > > Just to get started, the mail I recieved was of the mind that Linux ( > and other free OSes) will roll over the proprietary OSes in the next 5 or > so years and that computing will change for the better. > My response was that I see many OSes, and all have their place, or > niche, we may see some market settling and some of the players might > disappear, but because of business drivers, and other motivations in the > corporate sector, linux will see a significant entrance into the corporate > data center, but it will not replace everything you see now. > I'm paraphrasing, but it got me wondering..... > > > > Thanks for your time and efforts, > > > > mbutler > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dan at williamsongraphics.com Fri Nov 9 19:20:18 2001 From: dan at williamsongraphics.com (dan@williamsongraphics.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Apache error logs In-Reply-To: <200111092309.fA9N9Zc17394@sprite.real-time.com> References: <200111092309.fA9N9Zc17394@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <1005266175.3beb24ff69099@www.williamsongraphics.com> > **Note to self: Must memorize IP. Must memorize IP. Just go to www.whatismyip.com if you cant remeber your IP address From jacque at fruitioninc.com Fri Nov 9 20:18:11 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A bit off... topic, that is In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I think that Linux has a long way to go before it reaches the corporate desktop and the typical home setting. I think this is because of Linux's "sysadminitis". Linux is a great OS. It is geek-spectaular and all that. The problem is that I'm not a sysadmin, nor do I ever want to be one. I'm a Luser that just wants the stuff I use on a daily basis to work... and work together. I want to be able get everything installed and up in running with minimal effort. I think I speak for many many people when I say this. Many argue, "well all the doc is there, RTFM". What if I don't want to RTFM because I have other stuff to do that I feel is more important to me? Since I first started playing with Linux, it has improved greatly in the "install and work" department, but it still has a ways to go. I definitely want to see linux succeed, but programmers who are serious about seeing linux to mainstream really need to address this issue. Linux also needs some better pr. ~jacque From drake+tclug at lemongecko.org Fri Nov 9 20:24:06 2001 From: drake+tclug at lemongecko.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache error logs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011109193621.A20451@lemongecko.org> On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 02:06PM -0600, Hvidsten, Leif wrote: > **Note to self: Must memorize IP. Must memorize IP. 65.25.220.6 I have *my* IP memorized; what's taking you so long? :) So why did my message take 11 days to get posted? Is this more mail server goofiness? That's okay...it was just odd to see a post from myself when I didn't remember sending anything! I'll probably take down that firewall rule that drops anything from the 65.0.0.0/8. I know I'm not vulnerable to Code Red, Nimda, or whatever, but it's still annoying. I don't run a commercial site, so I like to look through my logs to see if any of my friends got terminally bored and looked around at what's there. Dan -- | 4699 BDCB B1A5 28B6 7F8A F8DF EB6A BC2A B0A1 99BF (GPG) | Dan Drake | http://lemongecko.org/drake/ | public key: email -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20011109155209.B23125@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 03:52:09PM -0600 References: <20011109155209.B23125@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011109195700.B11296@rephil.org> On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 03:52:09PM -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > murray, any idea what these things cost when new? I'm thinking $30,000+; and > I'm probably low by quite a bit... I'm not sure, but I think you're high. I'm pretty sure the Indy fully loaded was around $10k. I don't think the Indigo 2 was 3 times more -- that would be an odd pricing structure! (There are some period product reviews somewhere on the web, but I don't have them in a handy book mark file.) Similarly targeted VAXstations (high end graphics/engineering workstations) were also around $9 - 10k in '93 or so. I could be off, though. -- I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Nov 9 21:30:25 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A bit off... topic, that is In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011109201824.2985fdcb.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> mbutler2@mmm.com wrote: > > My curiousity was aroused by a mail I got from a friend, and I > wanted to know: what is the future for Linux? I think that people are finally aiming for the corporate desktop now. I have little doubt that Linux will see some big gains there in the next few years. I think the productivity software that people have been complaining has been missing from Linux is finally maturing. OpenOffice seems to work pretty well for me (though there are some Xinerama-related bugs on my system..) Evolution is now spitting out release candidates for 1.0, and Galeon has got to be the best browser I've ever used. Linux is very popular in some places, and not very popular in others. Still, an amazing number of organizations have Linux somewhere, doing something. My boss likes to refer to Linux as the glue that keeps things together. Linux is good as a server, but it also is a swiss army knife for networks. Granted, the BSDs are as good or better in this area, but having one operating system that can handle these disparate applications is very good for me -- I can just use my Linux skills for everything.. That might be a bad omen, though, as people said much the same thing five or ten years ago. If you know Windows on the desktop, you know it on the server, right? At any rate, It's pretty easy to pick up an old Pentium and turn it into a firewall, DNS server, web server, or most anything else in just a few hours. Linux systems can be used to help different systems communicate with each other, or to protect proprietary systems from the realities of the Internet. Unfortunately, many of these applications are `invisible' to management and users. This is one big reason to push Linux on the corporate desktop. It's a `visible' application of Linux, and hopefully one that employees and helpdesk staff can enjoy.. As more people see it, Linux will gain acceptance in many other areas as well. It's doubtful that Linux will take over everything and gain 90% dominance like Windows. So much code has been written for Windows that it's insane to think any differently. However, Microsoft is going to take a beating shortly. Microsoft has rubbed a lot of people the wrong way recently with regard to Windows XP (etc.), and a court-ordered remedy is no longer in the really distant future (it'll just take a year or so now ;-) Of course, Linux is battling it out with other operating systems as well. I find it hard to see Sun surviving without embracing Linux on their hardware. Once someone creates a Linux/Sparc Bootable Business Card, I think it's all over for them ;-) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Go Lemmings, Go!!! / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011109/cf274976/attachment.pgp From andy at theasis.com Fri Nov 9 21:32:06 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A bit off... topic, that is In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I think that Linux has a long way to go before it reaches the corporate > desktop and the typical home setting. I think this is because of Linux's > "sysadminitis". Linux is a great OS. It is geek-spectaular and all that. The > problem is that I'm not a sysadmin, nor do I ever want to be one. I'm a The corporate desktop doesn't tend to be admin'd by users. Most corporations of any size strongly discourage that. The advantage of a real multiuser OS for such situations is that the admin can diagnose and fix most problems without traipsing all over the building for every little problem. I think this is conducive to a much more efficient admin environment, since it integrates better with a sensible communication mechanism (as opposed to banging on the door and saying, "My netscape won't print". Andy > ~jacque From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Nov 9 21:33:26 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Apache error logs In-Reply-To: <025901c1698a$c7a0ebe0$1e02a8c0@zippy> References: <200111092309.fA9N9Zc17394@sprite.real-time.com> <1005266175.3beb24ff69099@www.williamsongraphics.com> <025901c1698a$c7a0ebe0$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: <20011109204955.7250061f.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "Mark Browne" wrote: > > hit control enter which adds the www and the com Gah! So that's the secret incantation! Sheesh.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Honey, PLEASE don't pick up / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ the PH$@#*&$^(#@&$^%(*NO \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) CARRIER [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20011109195700.B11296@rephil.org> Message-ID: The indigo2 went from 25 to 60k and the indy went from a paltry 6k to 20k. By the way I have an extra indy that I could part with for around 100 and an extra zip scsi that works very well with sgi machines. Colin From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Nov 9 21:39:19 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache error logs In-Reply-To: <20011109193621.A20451@lemongecko.org> References: <20011109193621.A20451@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: <20011109211442.510632f4.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Dan Drake wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 02:06PM -0600, Hvidsten, Leif wrote: > > **Note to self: Must memorize IP. Must memorize IP. > > 65.25.220.6 > > I have *my* IP memorized; what's taking you so long? :) > > So why did my message take 11 days to get posted? Is this more mail > server goofiness? That's okay...it was just odd to see a post from > myself when I didn't remember sending anything! > > I'll probably take down that firewall rule that drops anything from the > 65.0.0.0/8. I know I'm not vulnerable to Code Red, Nimda, or whatever, > but it's still annoying. > > I don't run a commercial site, so I like to look through my logs to see > if any of my friends got terminally bored and looked around at what's > there. Well, if you feel the need to do _something_, try looking up some tarpit programs that catch nimda bugs and force them to timeout on connections to your machine. These programs slow down the bugs a little bit (not much, but maybe enough to make you feel better..) I just got this in my work e-mail today: # Flag requests for URIs containing known strings from # Nimda-like worms (including Code Red, sadmind/IIS) # Note that the patterns below are regexes; escape your dots! SetEnvIf Request_URI "/winnt/system32/cmd\.exe" nimda SetEnvIf Request_URI "/scripts/root\.exe" nimda SetEnvIf Request_URI "/MSADC/root\.exe" nimda SetEnvIf Request_URI "/\.\." nimda SetEnvIf Request_URI "\.\./" nimda # Block attackers who send the patterns above (and get a 400 or 404 # response) via the routing table. It's more efficient to firewall (the # command will vary depending upon the firewall in use) or use SSH to add # rules to an upstream firewall to block the attacker. If several commands # must be executed, it may be best to invoke a script rather than doing # all the work from within httpd.conf. CustomLog "|exec sh" "route -nq add -host %a 127.0.0.1 -blackhole" env=nimda Note that for the last bit there, `env=nimda' should be at the end of the CustomLog line.. My mail client still has annoying word-wrapping habits.. Also, some better CustomLog lines might be: (For Linux kernel 2.2.x or 2.4.x with IP Chains) CustomLog "|exec sh" "/sbin/ipchains -I input -s %a -j DENY" (For Linux kernel 2.4.x) CustomLog "|exec sh" "/sbin/iptables -I INPUT -s %a -j DROP" -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ It's a Tough Job! So I'd / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Rather YOU do it. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011109/561b5478/attachment.pgp From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Nov 9 21:40:50 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] faking DNS.. Message-ID: <20011109212119.3d9245ba.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Does anyone know of a miniature DNS server that will only respond with one IP address, no matter what domain name is requested? I'm working on a firewall-ish box that needs something like this.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I know the guy who makes / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ all those bumper stickers. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) He hates New York. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011109/71710789/attachment.pgp From tl at assimilated.org Fri Nov 9 22:36:22 2001 From: tl at assimilated.org (Tim Lupfer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SGI's for the having.... In-Reply-To: <20011109174244.C12267@real-time.com> References: <20011109155209.B23125@real-time.com> <1005346512.3bec5ed0719b3@dragon> <20011109174244.C12267@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011109213730.A988@assimilated.org> >>>>> Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom [Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 05:42:44PM -0600]: > anyone know how to configure name resolution on IRIX? I put entries in > /etc/resolv.conf; and using 'nslookup', it sort of works (finds fully > qualified names); but 'ping' and the like don't resolve names. :( > in /etc/nsswitch.conf the hosts: line reads: > hosts: dns, files > what am I missing here? Probably nothing, I had the same problem on my indy (as has everyone else that I know who's toyed with irix), which troubled me for days until I just decided to HUP nsd... and voila, it worked. -- timothy r. lupfer tl@assimilated.org Familiarity breeds contempt--and children. -- Mark Twain From cznews at att.net Fri Nov 9 22:41:11 2001 From: cznews at att.net (Carl Zeilon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: ATAPI zip Message-ID: <20011110043155.FGAP5495.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@there> OK, this all seems correct. in /proc/ide/ide0/hdb I find several files. "model" shows iomega zip 100 atapi. "driver" shows ide-floppy version .97. "media" shows floppy. Trying to access the zip still shows an error "mount: special device hdb4 does not exist" Remember, if I have a disk in the drive at start up, it operates properly. There must be some program running at start up that fudges this up. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Actually, that you are reading that string from /proc indicates that > your ide-floppy driver is already loaded. Yep, so you probably just have to find the right device for accessing the zip drive. Look at the /proc/ide/hd?/model files. Thanks, cat /proc/ide/drivers did produce "ide-floppy version .97" along with other ide drivers that are working just fine. For example, my IDE CDRW is assigned to sd0 & operates just fine (I assume it uses the ide-scsi driver). Where do I go from here? I sure appreciate all the help. At 08:27 PM 11/8/2001, you wrote: >Carl Zeilon wrote: > > > > I'm running Mandrake 8.1. There are only 4 *.o.gz files in > > /lib/modules/2.4.8-26mdk/kernel/drivers/ide (ataraid, hptraid, > > ide-tape, & pdcraid) modprobe ide-floppy returns "can't locate module > > ide-floppy" Kudzu is a program that is supposed to detect changes in > > hardware & then configure it for you. It works great for my SCSI 7 disk > > changer that I only use so often. I remember someone raving about how > > well 8.1 mounted/unmounted removable drives. Please help > >Well, it might be compiled into the kernel, or otherwise pre-loaded. `cat >/proc/ide/drivers' to find out. You might find other interesting stuff in >the /proc/ide hierarchy.. From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Nov 9 23:35:51 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SGI's for the having.... In-Reply-To: <20011109174244.C12267@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hey, On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > actually, I think Bob's current plot is to make it an IRC or Web > server for TCLUG. I will not stand for you using such a machine to process text! (: This is a graphic workstation! (: -Yaron -- From jack at jacku.com Fri Nov 9 23:39:06 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SuSE 7.3 Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01110922464600.00854@geezer> On Friday 09 November 2001 00:28, you wrote: > Hi all, it's me again . I'm still having problems. I did order Debian, but > from the product descriptions, it won't have much in the way of server > software. Is this accurate? Oh, well, as long as I can get my printer to > work. Speaking of which, I tried SuSE again. I also tried Mandrake Linux > 6.0 I had laying around. Mandrake would not take. I tried SuSE, as an > update. This would not take, either. I tried SuSE as a new install. It took > but I still can't get a printer. The error messages when I type LPR are > that I don't have LPD installed or I am not root. I also get a console log > error, "Get_Local_Host: 'localhost' IP address not available!" Well, I hate > to disagree, but I put 127.0.0.1 as the IP address and 255.255.255.0 ias > the subnet mask when I was configuring the network card. I also went back > and manually installed the LPD package. I still get the same errors. What > directories might I need to check to make sure everything is ok? > A couple of things to consider: 1. Using YAST install CUPS and then use the YAST CUPS configuration. 2. If you don't want to use CUPS make sure you have the lprold package installed. This provides lpr, lpd, etc. These are installed to /usr/sbin. I had problems getting lprold to work with a SuSE 7.2 box and LaserJet on with a network card. I switched to CUPS and all was sweetness and light. As always YMMV. BTW what type of printer are you using? -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Nov 9 23:40:31 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: ATAPI zip In-Reply-To: <20011110043155.FGAP5495.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@there> References: <20011110043155.FGAP5495.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@there> Message-ID: <20011109225850.1e3fe744.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Carl Zeilon wrote: > > OK, this all seems correct. in /proc/ide/ide0/hdb I find several files. > "model" shows iomega zip 100 atapi. "driver" shows ide-floppy version > .97. "media" shows floppy. Trying to access the zip still shows an > error "mount: special device hdb4 does not exist" Remember, if I have a > disk in the drive at start up, it operates properly. There must be some > program running at start up that fudges this up. Hmm. Maybe it's something simple. Are you missing the file /dev/hdb4? Are you running devfs on that machine? (I have no idea what the correct device name would be then.. I haven't played with devfs at all). I guess it wasn't clear to me earlier that it would work if there was a disk in the drive on boot. Does that mean that the Zip disk gets mounted somewhere? Maybe you could boot up the system with a disk in the drive, then just figure out the correct device name from the output of running `mount' -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Previous instances in which / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ I professed to like you \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) were fraudulent! [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011109/d66ca563/attachment.pgp From jack at jacku.com Fri Nov 9 23:41:57 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Is this a network card I see before me? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01110923014601.00854@geezer> On Friday 09 November 2001 10:26, you wrote: > On 9 Nov 2001, Paul Harris wrote: > > I have acquired an internal card last used to link a friend's PC to his > > cable modem. It is made by DLink, has two green LEDs (labelled Link and > > ACC I think), and a single RJ-45 (or whatever it's called) connector. > > You are the proud owner of a NIC. Congratulations, you should be > InstallFest compliant. > > If possible, try to find out which chipset it uses. Then you'll know for > sure whether it's supported. > > -Tim > Being a user of a Dlink card (DFE-530TX) to connect to my cable modem, that card uses the VIA Rhine driver. If its an ISA 10Mb card there's a good chance its an NE2000 compatible. Note about DLink ISA Cards- If your friend has any diskettes that came with the card get them if you can. You'll want/need to run the config program to determine I/O address and IRQ. Unless you want to try ISAPNP if its setup that way. In any case most of the DLink cards are generic enough to be supported by one of the drivers out there. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Nov 9 23:51:18 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: ATAPI zip In-Reply-To: <20011110043155.FGAP5495.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@there> Message-ID: On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, Carl Zeilon wrote: > OK, this all seems correct. in /proc/ide/ide0/hdb I find several files. > "model" shows iomega zip 100 atapi. "driver" shows ide-floppy version .97. > "media" shows floppy. Trying to access the zip still shows an error "mount: > special device hdb4 does not exist" Remember, if I have a disk in the drive > at start up, it operates properly. There must be some program running at > start up that fudges this up. what is the exact mount command that you are using? in dmesg do you get any errors concerning the zip drive at bootup time? something about hdb4 seems fishy to me, did you try to mount just hdb? and lastly how is you ZIP drive connected in you conputer: please specify cable type, master/slave setting, location on cable(middle, end or standalone) hdb usually means primary slave, why would you put the zip drive there? it degrades the performance on the primary master quite a bit, try a different position -munir From josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org Sat Nov 10 00:36:56 2001 From: josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: ATAPI zip In-Reply-To: <20011110043155.FGAP5495.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@there> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 So try mounting hda hda1, hda2, hda3, hda4, hda5, hda6, hda7, hda8 in order. There's actually a file in proc/ide/ide0/hdb that details the partitions (or was that /proc/partitions). Anyway, go be exahaustive. It won't take long. Joshua b. Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 http://www.greentechnologist.org On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, Carl Zeilon wrote: > OK, this all seems correct. in /proc/ide/ide0/hdb I find several files. > "model" shows iomega zip 100 atapi. "driver" shows ide-floppy version .97. > "media" shows floppy. Trying to access the zip still shows an error "mount: > special device hdb4 does not exist" Remember, if I have a disk in the drive > at start up, it operates properly. There must be some program running at > start up that fudges this up. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Actually, that you are reading that string from /proc indicates that > > your ide-floppy driver is already loaded. > > Yep, so you probably just have to find the right device for accessing the > zip drive. > > Look at the /proc/ide/hd?/model files. > Thanks, cat /proc/ide/drivers did produce "ide-floppy version .97" along > with other ide drivers that are working just fine. For example, my IDE > CDRW is assigned to sd0 & operates just fine (I assume it uses the ide-scsi > driver). Where do I go from here? I sure appreciate all the help. > > At 08:27 PM 11/8/2001, you wrote: > >Carl Zeilon wrote: > > > > > > I'm running Mandrake 8.1. There are only 4 *.o.gz files in > > > /lib/modules/2.4.8-26mdk/kernel/drivers/ide (ataraid, hptraid, > > > ide-tape, & pdcraid) modprobe ide-floppy returns "can't locate module > > > ide-floppy" Kudzu is a program that is supposed to detect changes in > > > hardware & then configure it for you. It works great for my SCSI 7 disk > > > changer that I only use so often. I remember someone raving about how > > > well 8.1 mounted/unmounted removable drives. Please help > > > >Well, it might be compiled into the kernel, or otherwise pre-loaded. `cat > >/proc/ide/drivers' to find out. You might find other interesting stuff in > >the /proc/ide hierarchy.. > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE77L15fexLsowstzcRArbVAJ9k1WI0gJ63kKIzdDzYxq4bYESTMgCgsCis bU33W3FigWf/3RjNFlEkCw4= =PiaS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mbutler2 at mmm.com Sat Nov 10 00:38:22 2001 From: mbutler2 at mmm.com (mbutler2@mmm.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SGI's for the having.... Message-ID: Aye- SGI does have some strangeness(es) to it's OS, not the least of which is nsd, SGI's interpretation of what named should be and do. I'm not even gonna bring up mediad, but suffice to say, many a tape drive with robotics has been on the losing end of that one. I agree, restart the nsd, if you've already rebooted, feel free to drop Jer a line, and see what he thinks. I will say one other thing, in my experience with some SGI OSes, if you admin from teh files, you must do the changes for a specific file from the editor, SGI has a REALLY nice desktop administration tool suite, but if you use taht in conjunction with the tools, at least in 6.3, you used to get linuxconf like results sometimes. Just my 2 cents, cause that's all I've got, mbutler > what am I missing here? Probably nothing, I had the same problem on my indy (as has everyone else that I know who's toyed with irix), which troubled me for days until I just decided to HUP nsd... and voila, it worked. -- timothy r. lupfer tl@assimilated.org From mbutler2 at mmm.com Sat Nov 10 00:41:30 2001 From: mbutler2 at mmm.com (mbutler2@mmm.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SGI's for the having.... Message-ID: Just as an update, There are 27 in all, as of right now, set to go out the door, I have to say that I am extremely happy with mine, I am biased, mostly because a lot of my best times adminnning have been SGIs, but honestly, IRIX is an amazing OS, there are parts to it that you will find nowhere else, it does some things so well, I am still in shock, even on my realtively "old" box (keep in mind, these are RISC based chips running at 150Mhz that many years ago, wow...I miss Alpha). Another small tidbit, SGI tends to "tweak" it's network interfaces on it's boxes, from what I understand, they set the timeouts very low and do their best to get teh fastest interface they can on a given box. I used to have a Sparc5 and an SGI O2 to play with, I would have one steal the other's ip once in a while, just to see what it did to a network. Without fail, the SGI was fine, he arp'd faster than the Sun, and pretty much without fail, the Sun spit out a console message about someone using his ip address, and a few times, he panic'd... good humor on a Friday.... later, mbutler From mbutler2 at mmm.com Sat Nov 10 00:42:57 2001 From: mbutler2 at mmm.com (mbutler2@mmm.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SGI's for the having.... Message-ID: Yep- They spanned a huge range and you could get them really tricked-out and wicked fast. The big variances in SGI come from teh graphics options, teh ones for sale here have a couple of different graphics options, if you're picking one up, ask one of the guys to explain the differences to you. SGI has some wicked graphics and they use a lot of memory (system) to do some of it. some people complain that SGI hasn't improved it's graphics and such for a long time, because they haven't seen anything that says they have. You don't tend to buy an SGI and stick an Nvidia in it to improve it's graphics, SGI just marks taht as a part of the whole package and teh differences between the 3 year old O2 and one made this year are pretty amazing. They make changes, but because it's a part of the system, and the cards are not separate, they don't hype them the way other vendors do because the card is in the box. All I can say is, they're wicked boxes, and I'm happy to get them out to as many people as want them, I really love SGI, and I can't say enough for how cool the hardware is, but I'll leave further ranting to those that purchase a system, I think they'll be pleased. thanks for your time, mbutler The indigo2 went from 25 to 60k and the indy went from a paltry 6k to 20k. By the way I have an extra indy that I could part with for around 100 and an extra zip scsi that works very well with sgi machines. Colin From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Nov 10 01:53:34 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] starting over :( In-Reply-To: <3BDF39E7.1010104@slava.net> Message-ID: Hey, On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Lorry wrote: > Not only am I a student, but I live in a studio apartment. I'd have to > sell my kitchen table and keep a second computer on the floor. ;) Can't you put it under the table? -Yaron -- From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Sat Nov 10 02:53:15 2001 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SGI's for the having.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The indigo2 machines are nice and fun to play with. I have one of my own, and Indigo2 Impact and 2 more at work, along with 2 indys, the speed difference between the indigo 2 and the indy with the same processor is fantastic. If I didn't already have one of my own I would snatch one of these up while you can find them. They go for a lot more on ebay. I would invest 50 bucks in a 9 gig hd drive you will fill up those 2 gigs fast. Colin From mbresnah at visi.com Sat Nov 10 02:54:54 2001 From: mbresnah at visi.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:28 2005 Subject: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQLAdvocacy (was Re: (was ...))) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Or you can use one of the Lingua::* or Parse::* > modules from CPAN. Unless you feel a need to > do everything yourself. ;-) Oh, cool. I didn't know about those. I spose I should have guessed. *bonk Mike* That's what is so cool about Perl: just about everything under the sun is available on CPAN and it's all packaged the same way and works together. The same thing is true about Java; to a lesser extent than Perl but to a greater extent than C and C++. Mike From rahrenstorff at yahoo.com Sat Nov 10 02:57:54 2001 From: rahrenstorff at yahoo.com (Rodd Ahrenstorff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] fstab woes.... Message-ID: <200111091703.fA9H3Tc10514@sprite.real-time.com> I'm curious why so many users have trouble with hardware detection/configuration and goofed-up fstab files? I'm using Mandrake 8.1, maybe it's isolated to this distro, but depending on my acutal IDE chain setup (currently: IDE 0=HD (linux) master and CDRW slave (IDE 1=HD (Win2k) master and DVD slave)) Linux does not currently add the correct devices to the fstab file. It opens device cdrom when I insert media in the DVD. On a prior intallation, I had no secondary HD, the DVD was a master device on IDE 1 and it worked perfectly. I've included my fstab for those interested. My questions are: Shouldn't the CDRW show up as both hdb and scd0 pointing to cdrom2. (I thought CDRW's needed both a hdb and scd0 for read/write purposes) And should the DVD be listed as hdd pointing to cdrom? And lastly is devfs responsible for this behavior? As a newbie I find these hardware issues the most troubling. Thanks... /dev/hda1 / ext2 defaults 1 1 none /dev/pts devpts mode=0620 0 0 none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 /dev/hda6 /home ext2 defaults 1 2 /dev/hdb /mnt/cdrom auto user,iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,exec,codepage=850,ro,noauto 0 0 /dev/scd0 /mnt/cdrom2 auto user,iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,exec,codepage=850,ro,noauto 0 0 /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto user,iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,sync,exec,codepage=850,noauto 0 0 /dev/hdc1 /mnt/windows vfat iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,codepage=850 0 0 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 /dev/hda5 swap swap defaults 0 0 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From clay at fandre.com Sat Nov 10 02:59:16 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG members page Message-ID: <20011109213205.A6668@fandre.com> The TCLUG finally has a members page. So take a minute and register and tell us a little bit about yourself. http://www.mn-linux.org/tclugmembers/members.php/submit/ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From tanner at real-time.com Sat Nov 10 03:59:11 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:28 2005 Subject: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Ad vocacy (was Re: (was ...))) In-Reply-To: ; from mbresnah@visi.com on Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 03:15:14PM -0800 References: <20011109210633.B29682@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20011110025609.A11918@real-time.com> Quoting Mike Bresnahan (mbresnah@visi.com): > > _Thank you_ - now, if you want to change to another database it's enough > > to change the java.sql.DriverManager.getConnection and Class.forName? > > Yes. Unfortunatley you have to know the name of driver class and the URL > syntax specific to the JDBC driver. I usually encapsulate this in some sort > of database lookup class. I believe this is not an issue if you use EJBs Can just stick into the Properties file too. The .get() it and it works pretty slick. > > Another thing I'm wondering about is how placeholders work in Java? > > (I'm assuming it has got that) > > What do you mean by "placeholders"? He's talking about the prepareStatement(). Under any modern servlet container you normally don't even have to worry about it. Most have connection pooling, caching, etc.. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Sat Nov 10 04:01:29 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:28 2005 Subject: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Ad vocacy (was Re: (was ...))) In-Reply-To: <20011110000704.A37383@io.stderr.net>; from thomas@stderr.net on Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 12:07:04AM +0100 References: <20011109210633.B29682@io.stderr.net> <20011110000704.A37383@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20011110025820.B11918@real-time.com> Quoting Thomas Eibner (thomas@stderr.net): > So most of the query gets cached and you gain the benefit of not needing > to quote the input from the user since that automatically happens by the > binding of the placeholders. > > Does something similar exist in Java? It's called the prepareStatement() and it works just like the perl stuff. As I posted previous, most modern servlet containers even cache queries for you (don't ask me how it works :-). PreparedStatement pstmt = con.prepareStatement("UPDATE EMPLOYEES SET SALARY = ? WHERE ID = ?"); pstmt.setBigDecimal(1, 153833.00) pstmt.setInt(2, 110592) -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Sat Nov 10 04:03:32 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:28 2005 Subject: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Ad vocacy (was Re: (was ...))) In-Reply-To: <20011109171456.B4055@beaver.iucha.org>; from florin@iucha.net on Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 05:14:56PM -0600 References: <20011109210633.B29682@io.stderr.net> <20011109171456.B4055@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20011110030027.C11918@real-time.com> Quoting Florin Iucha (florin@iucha.net): > On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 03:15:14PM -0800, Mike Bresnahan wrote: > > Another thing to note is that some (all?) JDBC 2.0 compliant drivers support > > connection pooling. This is generally a huge performance win. A lot of > > time can otherwise be wasted opening and closing physical connections. > > Without such support I end up coding my own connection pooling is most > > cases, and thus JDBC 2.0 saves me the effort. > > Connection pooling is nice when you implement your own security layer. > But when each connection uses different acounts, then it's almos useless. > > And implementing your own security the _RIGHT_(tm) way it's _HARD_. Nice comment. In all the java based applications I have written I have never run into this issue. It kind of shocked me. Most of the apps I work on authentication is handled at application layer, not the database layer. Is this uncommon to everyone else? More or less the DB is just persistent storage. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Sat Nov 10 04:05:35 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:29 2005 Subject: Arguements, WAS Re: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Ad vocacy (was Re: (was ...))) In-Reply-To: <20011109104002.A20590@trammell.dyndns.org>; from trammell@trammell.dyndns.org on Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 10:40:02AM -0600 References: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E07057994@msgmsp15.norwest.com> <20011109104002.A20590@trammell.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20011110030120.D11918@real-time.com> Quoting John J. Trammell (trammell@trammell.dyndns.org): > On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 08:20:23AM -0600, Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM wrote: > > perl := yuck > > java := good > > And who am I to argue with such a well-reasoned, cogent argument? :-) > Linux := Windows := Idiot Ben := :-P -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Sat Nov 10 04:07:28 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:29 2005 Subject: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Advocacy (was Re: (was ...))) In-Reply-To: ; from mbresnah@visi.com on Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 02:42:52PM -0800 References: Message-ID: <20011110030337.E11918@real-time.com> Quoting Mike Bresnahan (mbresnah@visi.com): > > If Java would provide native support for regular expressions I > > would be the > > happiest developer ever -- or at least as happy as the Perl > > mongers are now. I believe JDK 1.4 has regex in it. I thought I remember reading that. If not, the Apache's jakarata-oro probject has complete implementation of Perl5 regex. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Nov 10 04:09:10 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG members page In-Reply-To: <20011109213205.A6668@fandre.com> Message-ID: Hey, On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > The TCLUG finally has a members page. So take a minute and register and tell us a little bit about yourself. Frankly I don't like putting my real Email address on a website. I tried faking it (jethro(a)freakzilla.com) but it yelled at me. -Yaron -- From tanner at real-time.com Sat Nov 10 04:15:58 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A bit off... topic, that is In-Reply-To: ; from jacque@fruitioninc.com on Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 07:19:38PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011110032155.F11918@real-time.com> Quoting Jacqueline Urick (jacque@fruitioninc.com): > "sysadminitis". Linux is a great OS. It is geek-spectaular and all that. The > problem is that I'm not a sysadmin, nor do I ever want to be one. Blasphemer! Don't want to be an admin! :-P > I'm a Luser that just wants the stuff I use on a daily basis to work... Thus running linux can help. Once you get it installed, it just works. > work together. I want to be able get everything installed and up in running > with minimal effort. I think I speak for many many people when I say this. > Many argue, "well all the doc is there, RTFM". What if I don't want to RTFM > because I have other stuff to do that I feel is more important to me? Call Real Time? ;-) > Since I first started playing with Linux, it has improved greatly in the > "install and work" department, but it still has a ways to go. I definitely > want to see linux succeed, but programmers who are serious about seeing linux > to mainstream really need to address this issue. Linux also needs some better > pr. PR, the magic word. It's been something we have been struggling with at Real Time, never seems to get it just right. But I digress. One of the problem with computers (but Linux and Windows, heck all other OSs) is that they are simple things that people can "just plug in" and it works. I blame MS for this. And frankly, it's not true. I like to use the car analogy. It's pretty "simple". Almost everyone has one. But how many people work on their cars? Not many. Heck, I don't even change my own oil. I take it to a _professional_ and they do it right, they do it in 20 mins or less and it cost me $21.95. I'm not a car mechanic; a car repair professional, so I take my car to a professional. The time and effort it would take me to chain my own oil would cost me for more then $21.95. Why should you do any less for your computer? If you aren't an admin (car mechanic) take your computer (car) to a professional (Real Time) for service. I'm I the only one that see the market like this? More relationships: I can use a shovel, I can dig a ditch, but I didn't install my sprinkler system. I can use a hammer, I can use nails, I even know how to use a saw, but I didn't build my fence. I'm a graphic artists, I design web sites, therefore I can install, configure and -secure- my corporate web site. Eh? -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Sat Nov 10 04:17:48 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SGI's for the having.... In-Reply-To: ; from mbutler2@mmm.com on Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 01:41:38PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011110032331.G11918@real-time.com> Quoting mbutler2@mmm.com (mbutler2@mmm.com): > SGI Indigo2 Workstation > 21" SGI Monitor ( 13w3 connection ) > Keyboard > Mouse > 2 1 GB Hard drives > R4400 150 MHz Processor > XZ Graphics > 96 MB Ram > IRIX 6.5.12 Maintance Release. New install. Have to ask. And distro of Linux work on these? -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Sat Nov 10 04:19:45 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SGI's for the having.... In-Reply-To: <20011109155209.B23125@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 03:52:09PM -0600 References: <20011109155209.B23125@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011110032417.H11918@real-time.com> Quoting Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom (chrome@real-time.com): > these fine folks actually donated one to TCLUG. I've got it sitting on my > desk here. have to say, it's pretty effing amazing for a machine built in > 1993/1994. boggles my mind that SGI had 150MHz machines at that time.... I'll bring in the digital camera and we can put a picture online. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Sat Nov 10 04:21:48 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SUSE 7.2 In-Reply-To: <01110916402900.00850@geezer>; from jack@jacku.com on Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 04:40:29PM -0600 References: <004f01c168bf$10144290$e156fea9@w2000dell> <01110916402900.00850@geezer> Message-ID: <20011110032722.I11918@real-time.com> Quoting Jack Ungerleider (jack@jacku.com): > On Thursday 08 November 2001 19:37, you wrote: > I've been using SuSE since 5.3 days. Currently my system is running 7.2 that > was upgraded from 7.0. I've done a couple of "clean" 7.2 installs and suspect > this box is head for a rebuild in the not too distant future. So fire away > with the SuSE questions I'll answer what I can. (Which may not be much. ;-) Not really a question, but would you like to maintain the SuSe mirror for the TCLUG? I don't think anyone has really stepped up to the plate for it. Did I missing anyone else volunteering? This statement will show my ignorance, but does SuSe have a mirror system like Redhat/Debian? -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Nov 10 05:08:25 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:29 2005 Subject: Arguements, WAS Re: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Ad vocacy (was Re: (was ...))) In-Reply-To: <20011110030120.D11918@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hello, On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > perl := yuck > > > java := good ... > Linux := > Windows := > Idiot Ben := Why are we reverting to Pascal? (; -Yaron -- From seg at haxxed.mine.nu Sat Nov 10 05:11:43 2001 From: seg at haxxed.mine.nu (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SGI's for the having.... References: Message-ID: <3BECFDC6.3030606@haxxed.mine.nu> > All systems are in working condition, the cases may need to be cleaned up a > bit, but no permanent markings or scars. Yeah but how well do they play Quake? I'd love to get SDL and glQuake to compile on one of these... From seg at haxxed.mine.nu Sat Nov 10 05:26:22 2001 From: seg at haxxed.mine.nu (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Advocacy (was Re: (was ...)) References: <01110720215503.01250@geezer> Message-ID: <3BED0116.3030501@haxxed.mine.nu> > Personally I like postgresql. But as others have said there is a lot more > PHP+MySQL stuff out there than PostgreSQL anything. As far as I know Bruce > Momjan book is still the only PostgreSQL book out, though some others are due > RSN. So if you want to do this with a book in hand MySQL may be the way to > go. Why not just get a general SQL book? Personally I took SQL and Database Design at Hennepin Tech. You learn the underlying theory behind SQL before diving into code. Which is what you REALLY need to learn IMHO. And MySQL isn't going to be a good teacher, with its lack of implementing the DB integrity parts of SQL, and useful features like subselects. From mwagner at mysql.com Sat Nov 10 07:06:00 2001 From: mwagner at mysql.com (Matt Wagner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel inject help? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15327.38584.866465.770333@evoq.mwagner.org> Troy.A Johnson writes: > Bob, > > Does 'ls' explode at the command line? > > Here is a perl hack, but there has got to be a better > (perlish) way to do it, but my brain is stuck. > > ===== > #!/usr/bin/perl -w > $command = '| /usr/lib/sendmail linux-kernel@lists.real-time.com'; > opendir(D, '.'); > chomp(@dir = readdir(D)); > closedir(D); > foreach $file (@dir) > { > if ($file !~ m/^kernel[.]/) { next; } > local $/ = ''; > open(F, "< $file"); > @contents = ; > close(F); > open(C, $command); > print C $contents; > close(C); > sleep(5); > } > ===== > > Good luck, > > Troy > > >>> tanner@real-time.com 10/30/01 03:57PM >>> > Ok, I got 48,859 msg that I need to inject into the archives. > > I tried this little script: > > for i in `ls kernel.*`; do > cat $i | /usr/lib/sendmail linux-kernel@lists.real-time.com; > sleep 5s; > done > > The messages are called kernel.* (space is just for readability). > > I get this message: > > bash: /bin/ls: Argument list too long > > Anyone have a quick hack for me to get this working? Bob, A simple oversight :) ... but you should not even need the 'ls': for i in kernel.*; do cat $i | /usr/lib/sendmail linux-kernel@lists.real-time.com; sleep 5s; done Also, in the future if you ever run into the problem of Argument lists being too long for programs like 'ls' -- you can use 'xargs' (see manpage for more info) to feed long-argument-lists in a more digestable fashion. :) Regards, Matt -- For technical support contracts, visit https://order.mysql.com/ __ ___ ___ ____ __ / |/ /_ __/ __/ __ \/ / Mr. Matt Wagner / /|_/ / // /\ \/ /_/ / /__ MySQL AB, Herr Direktor /_/ /_/\_, /___/\___\_\___/ Hopkins, Minnesota USA <___/ www.mysql.com From clay at fandre.com Sat Nov 10 08:55:56 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG members page In-Reply-To: References: <20011109213205.A6668@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20011110080443.A7347@fandre.com> OK. I'll hack it up so there's an option to not have it shown. Any other suggestions? On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, Yaron wrote: > Hey, > > On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > The TCLUG finally has a members page. So take a minute and register and tell us a little bit about yourself. > > Frankly I don't like putting my real Email address on a website. I tried > faking it (jethro(a)freakzilla.com) but it yelled at me. > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Nov 10 09:24:13 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux and Win2K TOC the same? In-Reply-To: <20011030222123.C2684@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hey, On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > My perspective is Linux is much cheaper then Windows. Even if you pay for a > distro you are starting out ahead. Add the virus resistence, stability, > reliability, and security out of the box. Linux should be have a better TOC then > Win2k. It's more than that. Think about this: I've been using computers for, well, a long long time. I've been adminning UNIX professionally for almost a decade. I've always had a machine with some degree of Windows on it, mostly for games and stuff. At my current job, for the first time in my professional life, I'm forced to use Win2K as my desktop OS. It's not that I can't make heads or tails of it, but it's just so damn hard to handle. So many things about it are just WRONG. Not to _mention_ Outlook! How can anyone be productive at ALL using that software? I cannot even start to count the HOURS of my time that are lost due to that piece of software. I've seen people who are Outlook _experts_ use the thing and they weren't doing a lot better than I was - and I could run circles around them using Pine. And if we'd use a lot of PHP/Web based tools rather than 50 different proprietary database access tools... Anyway, before I start ranting TOO much, the TOC Windows always ignores is how much productivity is lost just by the damn thing being hard to use. And imagine how much worse it is for us people who actually computer literate! Bah, I need sleep now. -Yaron -- From dsherman at real-time.com Sat Nov 10 09:44:33 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A bit off... topic, that is In-Reply-To: <20011110032155.F11918@real-time.com> References: <20011110032155.F11918@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1005403001.5099.0.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> On Sat, 2001-11-10 at 03:21, Bob Tanner wrote: > One of the problem with computers (but Linux and Windows, heck all other OSs) is > that they are simple things that people can "just plug in" and it works. I blame > MS for this. And frankly, it's not true. I agree 100%. > I like to use the car analogy. It's pretty "simple". Almost everyone has one. > But how many people work on their cars? Not many. Heck, I don't even change my > own oil. I take it to a _professional_ and they do it right, they do it in 20 > mins or less and it cost me $21.95. > > I'm not a car mechanic; a car repair professional, so I take my car to a > professional. The time and effort it would take me to chain my own oil would > cost me for more then $21.95. > > Why should you do any less for your computer? If you aren't an admin (car > mechanic) take your computer (car) to a professional (Real Time) for service. Again, right-on. Not only that, but people take special training classes to learn how to drive their car, and must be licensed according to the laws in their state to prove they are qualified to do so (though some might argue that the ability to pass a test does not make either a safe or a responsible driver, but I digress...). But people, for some reason, think they can just but a PC at Best Buy, take it home, plug in a couple of cables, and be ready to use their PC without any prior training or experience. The fact is, to use a PC well -- to maximize its usefulness -- everyone should at least read a book or two (Windows for Dummies, assuming they are using a preinstalled Windows system, and maybe a medium-skill-level book as they progress), and for those who expect to use PCs on a daily basis for their work, they should take classes on both Windows, and the major applications they will be using. Of course, getting companies to send their employees to software training classes can be like pulling teeth, especially in the current market -- why is it always the training budget that is first to be cut when money is tight? > I'm I the only one that see the market like this? Nope :-) But in my experience, most people want their PC to be like their VCR. They may or may not get around to figuring out how to set the clock, and they really don't care that much about it, as long as it plays, records, and the remote works like they expect it to. In other words, they want their PC to be a low- to medium-complexity electronic appliance that always works, requires little to no maintenance, and has a user interface that is so simple a child can figure it out -- at least for the basic functions. How many of the buttons on your VCR remote do you actually use on a regular basis? How many other buttons are there, where you know what they do, but just never need the functionality? How many would you need to look up in the User Guide to figure out what they do, because you virtually never use them? This is what most of the users I work with are looking for in a PC. To summarize my ramblings, I think we need to change the current thinking of most consumers and businesses, and show them that proper computer/software training is not only a valuable asset, but in fact is absolutely necessary for maximized benefit of PC use, both in the home and at the office. Dave -- You will stop at nothing to reach your objective, but only because your brakes are defective. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011110/c57c9547/attachment.pgp From tl at assimilated.org Sat Nov 10 09:52:29 2001 From: tl at assimilated.org (Tim Lupfer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SGI's for the having.... In-Reply-To: <20011110032331.G11918@real-time.com> References: <20011110032331.G11918@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011110085730.A1220@assimilated.org> >>>>> Bob Tanner [Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 03:23:31AM -0600]: > Have to ask. And distro of Linux work on these? taken from www.linux.sgi.com... Currently, only Indys have a working XFree86. Other machines boot - but only via serial console. These are: Indigo2, Challenge S. At this time the Indigo and O2 are still not supported. But some developers have stated that they are trying to fix this. so basically, yes, but imo it's not worth giving up the graphical goodness of irix for a paltry console connection. Hardhat is one of the only distros I know of, it's very old and based on Redhat 5.1, and a complete pain in the ass to install (even on an indy). -- timothy r. lupfer tl@assimilated.org Familiarity breeds contempt--and children. -- Mark Twain From florin at iucha.net Sat Nov 10 09:57:08 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:30 2005 Subject: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Ad vocacy (was Re: (was ...))) In-Reply-To: <20011110030027.C11918@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 03:00:27AM -0600 References: <20011109210633.B29682@io.stderr.net> <20011109171456.B4055@beaver.iucha.org> <20011110030027.C11918@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011110091426.C12018@beaver.iucha.org> On Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 03:00:27AM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Florin Iucha (florin@iucha.net): > > On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 03:15:14PM -0800, Mike Bresnahan wrote: > > > Another thing to note is that some (all?) JDBC 2.0 compliant drivers support > > > connection pooling. This is generally a huge performance win. A lot of > > > time can otherwise be wasted opening and closing physical connections. > > > Without such support I end up coding my own connection pooling is most > > > cases, and thus JDBC 2.0 saves me the effort. > > > > Connection pooling is nice when you implement your own security layer. > > But when each connection uses different acounts, then it's almos useless. > > > > And implementing your own security the _RIGHT_(tm) way it's _HARD_. > > Nice comment. In all the java based applications I have written I have never run > into this issue. It kind of shocked me. > > Most of the apps I work on authentication is handled at application layer, not > the database layer. > > Is this uncommon to everyone else? > > More or less the DB is just persistent storage. Ask the DOD if they would like "system/manager" or "coolapp/oracle" embedded in the code somewhere (or in .properties, or .ini). It must be somewhere because you need code running at the privilege level of the user to get it, so it can connect to the database. Shopping carts are one thing, big client-server applications another. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This just IS NOT good enough. Mark Browne One of the problem with computers (but Linux and Windows, heck all other OSs) is that they are simple things that people can "just plug in" and it works. I blame MS for this. And frankly, it's not true. I like to use the car analogy. It's pretty "simple". Almost everyone has one. But how many people work on their cars? Not many. Heck, I don't even change my own oil. I take it to a _professional_ and they do it right, they do it in 20 mins or less and it cost me $21.95. I'm not a car mechanic; a car repair professional, so I take my car to a professional. The time and effort it would take me to chain my own oil would cost me for more then $21.95. Why should you do any less for your computer? If you aren't an admin (car mechanic) take your computer (car) to a professional (Real Time) for service. From florin at iucha.net Sat Nov 10 10:00:15 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG members page In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 03:03:41AM -0600 References: <20011109213205.A6668@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20011110092153.D12018@beaver.iucha.org> On Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 03:03:41AM -0600, Yaron wrote: > Hey, > > On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > The TCLUG finally has a members page. So take a minute and register and tell us a little bit about yourself. > > Frankly I don't like putting my real Email address on a website. I tried > faking it (jethro(a)freakzilla.com) but it yelled at me. Frankly the webmaster should display the address like: jethro at freakzilla dot com. Clay? A little data massaging please? florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011110/a3e66934/attachment.pgp From rsinland at gvtel.com Sat Nov 10 10:45:06 2001 From: rsinland at gvtel.com (Robert Sinland) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SGI's for the having.... References: <20011109155209.B23125@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3BED4DDB.3BDCD20E@gvtel.com> Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > SGI Indigo2 Workstation > > 21" SGI Monitor ( 13w3 connection ) > > Keyboard > > Mouse > > 2 1 GB Hard drives > > R4400 150 MHz Processor > > XZ Graphics > > 96 MB Ram > > IRIX 6.5.12 Maintance Release. New install. > > these fine folks actually donated one to TCLUG. I've got it sitting on my > desk here. have to say, it's pretty effing amazing for a machine built in > 1993/1994. boggles my mind that SGI had 150MHz machines at that time.... > > these things are just as nice as the Indys we were trying to get, a year or > two ago... lot nicer, actually. more memory, bigger monitor, more drive > space, faster processor. > > in case you're wondering; yes, I've been watching Electro Paint all morning. > it looks pretty amazing on this 19" monitor. > :) :) > > murray, any idea what these things cost when new? I'm thinking $30,000+; and > I'm probably low by quite a bit... > > Carl Soderstrom > -- I think you are thinking of the original Indigo. I seem to recall a price tag of 34k to 36k I can't recall the exact link at the moment but think I got it from this website... http://www.irisindigo.com/ RS From esper at sherohman.org Sat Nov 10 10:46:44 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A bit off... topic, that is In-Reply-To: ; from andy@theasis.com on Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 09:35:54PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011110094622.G24545@sherohman.org> On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 09:35:54PM -0600, andy@theasis.com wrote: > > I think that Linux has a long way to go before it reaches the corporate > > desktop and the typical home setting. I think this is because of Linux's > > "sysadminitis". Linux is a great OS. It is geek-spectaular and all that. The > > problem is that I'm not a sysadmin, nor do I ever want to be one. I'm a > > The corporate desktop doesn't tend to be admin'd by users. Most > corporations of any size strongly discourage that. Absolutely. As one who has been sucked into the tarpit of being paid to sysadmin, I can assure you that I neither expect nor allow my users to admin their own machines. I give them a working machine and, if they need software that wasn't already installed (a rare event, since I take the trouble to find out what they need before giving them the box), they tell me and, after a few minutes with ssh and apt-get (and, occasionally, vi), it's installed and they can get on with their life. > I think this is conducive to a much more > efficient admin environment, since it integrates better with a sensible > communication mechanism (as opposed to banging on the door and saying, "My > netscape won't print". They may not bang on my door, but I still get plenty of calls asking, "Is Netscape down?" when people can't get their email. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Mr. Slippery From thomas at stderr.net Sat Nov 10 10:48:15 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:30 2005 Subject: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Ad vocacy (was Re: (was ...))) In-Reply-To: <20011110025820.B11918@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 02:58:20AM -0600 References: <20011109210633.B29682@io.stderr.net> <20011110000704.A37383@io.stderr.net> <20011110025820.B11918@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011110165715.B37383@io.stderr.net> On Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 02:58:20AM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Thomas Eibner (thomas@stderr.net): > > So most of the query gets cached and you gain the benefit of not needing > > to quote the input from the user since that automatically happens by the > > binding of the placeholders. > > > > Does something similar exist in Java? > > It's called the prepareStatement() and it works just like the perl stuff. As I > posted previous, most modern servlet containers even cache queries for you > (don't ask me how it works :-). Why would you want your servlet container to cache the queries for you? That is the job of the database, and the database only. What if the data changed on disk? -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From jima at gimp.damnation.net Sat Nov 10 10:50:06 2001 From: jima at gimp.damnation.net (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG members page In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011110102212.00a4d3f0@mail.eleetomatic.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > OK. I'll hack it up so there's an option to not have it shown. Any other > suggestions? Yeah, I don't like how it demanded a first and last name. I simply go by one name, so I had to use one of my regular last name aliases. It's annoying to have to do, though, as I seldom use that name. :P Thanks. Jima From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Nov 10 10:51:37 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SGI's for the having.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011110102728.69f4639f.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> > X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.3 March 21, 2000 Gar.. I knew I recognized that particularly evil form of mail mangling.. Sorry, pet peeve.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ If it ain't broke, you're / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ not trying. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011110/c4d01cad/attachment.pgp From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Nov 10 10:53:10 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:30 2005 Subject: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Advocacy (was Re: (was ...))) In-Reply-To: <20011110030337.E11918@real-time.com> References: <20011110030337.E11918@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011110102833.63833878.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Bob Tanner wrote: > > I believe JDK 1.4 has regex in it. I thought I remember reading that. Yeah. We're using JDK 1.3 for a class. We were taught to use regular expressions to make sure that inputs on CGI forms were valid (in Perl and JavaScript). I found some functions in the manuals for 1.4, but they don't exist in 1.3. Oh well. Kind of funny that JavaScript has had regular expressions for so long, though. A regular expression is even a type in JavaScript, if I remember right. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ The Secret of Management / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ number 436: I'm with \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) stupid. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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[ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011110/05d04e4b/attachment.pgp From chrome at real-time.com Sat Nov 10 10:57:44 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SGI's for the having.... In-Reply-To: <3BECFDC6.3030606@haxxed.mine.nu>; from seg@haxxed.mine.nu on Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 04:13:26AM -0600 References: <3BECFDC6.3030606@haxxed.mine.nu> Message-ID: <20011110103654.C9837@real-time.com> > Yeah but how well do they play Quake? pretty well from what I hear... I read an article once, about the studio where they make 'South Park'. apparently all the graphics are done on SGI machines (no, it's not construction paper anymore, it's just really expensive software and hardware making it look like construction paper). they have a 155Mbit ATM network backbone, and play Quake on it, with their SGIs. :) I think the article was from Ars Technica a couple of years ago... Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sat Nov 10 11:14:43 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Linux and Win2K TOC the same? In-Reply-To: <20011030222123.C2684@real-time.com> References: <20011030222123.C2684@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011031002208.R754@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [011031 00:07]: > reliability, and security out of the box. Linux should be have a better TOC then > Win2k. Supposedly skilled Unix heads cost more than Skilled Windows heads. These are the same people who think that paper MCSE's are all everyone needs, and that you dont really need to be that smart to be a sysadmin. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Just say NO to Product Activation! From sraun at fireopal.org Sat Nov 10 12:00:00 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG members page In-Reply-To: <20011110080443.A7347@fandre.com> References: <20011109213205.A6668@fandre.com> <20011110080443.A7347@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20011110112810.A4333@fireopal.org> What's controlling what I see on this list? I just tried to add myself - it looked like it took my info, but isn't displaying it. And I don't see anything for Yaron or Jima yet. Actually, I see a total of six names - Bob Tanner, Clay Fandre, David Dykstal, Doug Hanson, Kelly Black, and Munir Nassar. On Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 08:04:43AM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: > OK. I'll hack it up so there's an option to not have it shown. Any > other suggestions? > > On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, Yaron wrote: > > > Hey, > > > > On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > > > The TCLUG finally has a members page. So take a minute and register > > > and tell us a little bit about yourself. > > > > Frankly I don't like putting my real Email address on a website. I tried > > faking it (jethro(a)freakzilla.com) but it yelled at me. > > > > -Yaron -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From alcyone at slava.net Sat Nov 10 12:01:48 2001 From: alcyone at slava.net (Lorry Lee Strother) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] starting over :( In-Reply-To: References: <3BDF39E7.1010104@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011110112710.B591@slava.net> On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 12:05:20AM -0600, Yaron typed: > > Can't you put it under the table? > No, my table is actually a breakfast cart, and the stools go on the underside of the cart, and under the stools there is about 3 inches of space before you get to the flat bottom with wheels underneath. I might be able to fit a folded up laptop there, except I am already storing stuff on the flat bottom. Yes, it's cramped in here! Lorry From alcyone at slava.net Sat Nov 10 12:03:21 2001 From: alcyone at slava.net (Lorry Lee Strother) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG members page In-Reply-To: <20011110080443.A7347@fandre.com> References: <20011109213205.A6668@fandre.com> <20011110080443.A7347@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20011110113630.C591@slava.net> On Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 08:04:43AM -0600, Clay Fandre typed: > OK. I'll hack it up so there's an option to not have it shown. Any other suggestions? > I agree with separating the -at- out, and also the first/last name thing. How long does it take before they show up? I can't see my name up yet. Lorry From florin at iucha.net Sat Nov 10 12:04:54 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:31 2005 Subject: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Ad vocacy (was Re: (was ...))) In-Reply-To: <20011110165715.B37383@io.stderr.net>; from thomas@stderr.net on Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 04:57:15PM +0100 References: <20011109210633.B29682@io.stderr.net> <20011110000704.A37383@io.stderr.net> <20011110025820.B11918@real-time.com> <20011110165715.B37383@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20011110114738.A17744@beaver.iucha.org> On Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 04:57:15PM +0100, Thomas Eibner wrote: > On Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 02:58:20AM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > > Quoting Thomas Eibner (thomas@stderr.net): > > > So most of the query gets cached and you gain the benefit of not needing > > > to quote the input from the user since that automatically happens by the > > > binding of the placeholders. > > > > > > Does something similar exist in Java? > > > > It's called the prepareStatement() and it works just like the perl stuff. As I > > posted previous, most modern servlet containers even cache queries for you > > (don't ask me how it works :-). > > Why would you want your servlet container to cache the queries for you? > That is the job of the database, and the database only. What if the data > changed on disk? Caches the parsed query statement, not the query results. This might help a great deal when: 1. you have a very complicated query - I have saw monster queries when working on a big financial application 2. the database can cache the cost estimations for a query. For instance a query requires a B*Tree index, a bitmapped index or a full table scan. Or the database has some tables clustered in a star-schema. Or ... All this knowledge is gathered by the database engine when you prepare the query and if that means analysing histograms and usage patterns for 5-10 tables, it might take some time. In a previous life I have developed a mutual fund management application. It had around 150 tables. The schema was normalized to the 4th form and then denormalized for performance. But it was big. Imagine all the financial instruments and variations that exist: stocks, bonds (and this is a can of worms: fixed bonds, floating bonds, 0-bonds, with/without coupons, convertible), futures, options, warrants, indices... florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011110/3bcb9f6c/attachment.pgp From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sat Nov 10 12:06:30 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Linux and Win2K TOC the same? In-Reply-To: <20011031002208.R754@ringworld.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Scott Dier wrote: > Supposedly skilled Unix heads cost more than Skilled Windows heads. > > These are the same people who think that paper MCSE's are all everyone > needs, and that you dont really need to be that smart to be a sysadmin. > right, and so they gobble up all the jobs and give us people, who actually know a bit about computers, a bad name! -munir From chrome at real-time.com Sat Nov 10 13:24:16 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Is this a network card I see before me? In-Reply-To: <01110923014601.00854@geezer>; from jack@jacku.com on Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 11:01:46PM -0600 References: <01110923014601.00854@geezer> Message-ID: <20011110124956.D9837@real-time.com> > Being a user of a Dlink card (DFE-530TX) to connect to my cable modem, that > card uses the VIA Rhine driver. hmm, I've got a D-Link 530 (I think it's the same model as you, but can't find the box right now); and it uses the 8139too driver (which replaces the rtl8139 driver that older 2.2 kernels had). Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sat Nov 10 13:42:19 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: High Speed Network Connection In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE09D@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE09D@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011031002613.S754@ringworld.org> * Austad, Jay [011030 21:05]: > could always get yourself a cisco 2924 with the dual GBIC ports and do > fiber, I think those run around $2k or so but I'm not sure what fiber 3524? I didn't think the 29xx series had GBIC ports. Anyhow, the 35xx series has more backplane. mmmmm. 3548s. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Just say NO to Product Activation! From clay at fandre.com Sat Nov 10 14:13:16 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG members page In-Reply-To: <20011110112810.A4333@fireopal.org> References: <20011109213205.A6668@fandre.com> <20011110080443.A7347@fandre.com> <20011110112810.A4333@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <20011110131819.B7347@fandre.com> I have to approve all members before they show up on the page. So you better be nice. ;-) On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, Scott Raun wrote: > What's controlling what I see on this list? > > I just tried to add myself - it looked like it took my info, but isn't > displaying it. And I don't see anything for Yaron or Jima yet. > > Actually, I see a total of six names - Bob Tanner, Clay Fandre, David > Dykstal, Doug Hanson, Kelly Black, and Munir Nassar. > > On Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 08:04:43AM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: > > OK. I'll hack it up so there's an option to not have it shown. Any > > other suggestions? > > > > On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, Yaron wrote: > > > > > Hey, > > > > > > On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > > > > > The TCLUG finally has a members page. So take a minute and register > > > > and tell us a little bit about yourself. > > > > > > Frankly I don't like putting my real Email address on a website. I tried > > > faking it (jethro(a)freakzilla.com) but it yelled at me. > > > > > > -Yaron > > -- > Scott Raun > sraun@fireopal.org > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Sat Nov 10 14:16:31 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG members page In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011110102212.00a4d3f0@mail.eleetomatic.com> Message-ID: <20011110132016.C7347@fandre.com> Yea, Madonna and Cher also complained. I guess this app wasn't made for famous people. On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, Jima wrote: > On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > OK. I'll hack it up so there's an option to not have it shown. Any other > > suggestions? > > Yeah, I don't like how it demanded a first and last name. I simply go by > one name, so I had to use one of my regular last name aliases. It's > annoying to have to do, though, as I seldom use that name. :P > Thanks. > > Jima > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From alcyone at slava.net Sat Nov 10 14:18:04 2001 From: alcyone at slava.net (Lorry Lee Strother) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG members page In-Reply-To: <20011110112810.A4333@fireopal.org> References: <20011109213205.A6668@fandre.com> <20011110080443.A7347@fandre.com> <20011110112810.A4333@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <20011110132317.A704@slava.net> Did you get a confirmation screen that said Posted by: __________ also? I think that's the bug. I've noticed the blank lines between the people whose names actually show up are growing. We're listed as blank lines instead of by our names. What's up with that? :( Lorry On Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 11:28:10AM -0600, Scott Raun typed: > What's controlling what I see on this list? > > I just tried to add myself - it looked like it took my info, but isn't > displaying it. And I don't see anything for Yaron or Jima yet. > > Actually, I see a total of six names - Bob Tanner, Clay Fandre, David > Dykstal, Doug Hanson, Kelly Black, and Munir Nassar. > From phil at rephil.org Sat Nov 10 14:21:25 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (phil@rephil.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:31 2005 Subject: Arguements, WAS Re: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Ad vocacy (was Re: (was ...))) In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 04:10:53AM -0600 References: <20011110030120.D11918@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011110133444.A13436@rephil.org> On Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 04:10:53AM -0600, Yaron wrote: > Hello, > > On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > > perl := yuck > > > > java := good > ... > > Linux := > > Windows := > > Idiot Ben := > > Why are we reverting to Pascal? (; Nothing wrong with Pascal, but you better comment those out until you settle on a definition or it won't compile. -- I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Nov 10 14:25:13 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux in the office (was: A bit off... topic, that is) In-Reply-To: <1005403001.5099.0.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> References: <20011110032155.F11918@real-time.com> <1005403001.5099.0.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> Message-ID: <20011110135741.12b9eb97.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> This turned out to be really long. Please be nice if you reply, and trim your posts. Dave Sherman wrote: > > Again, right-on. > > Not only that, but people take special training classes to learn how to > drive their car, and must be licensed according to the laws in their > state to prove they are qualified to do so Yes, though you must not forget that there's a big safety issue with cars. You can't just let people drive thousand pound chunks of metal at 70 MPH without some training. It's a lethal object. Needless to say, it's really hard to kill yourself or someone else with a computer (ignoring the whole blunt object aspect ;-) Still, when computers go down or start acting up, there is a cost. It's hard to quantify in a home environment, but broken stuff certainly contributes to stress, and could have an impact on grades if it's being used for school work. In the office, it's somewhat easier to quantify, though most organizations still don't (as far as I know). And when there is nothing to compare with, it doesn't matter. Let's try some imaginary numbers, assuming an organization is attempting the big switch from Windows (we'll imagine 2k Pro or XP Pro): Linux, initial cost: -------------------- New computer $1000 Operating System 0 Office Suite 0 Communication Software 0 Installation cost 50 Training cost: Cost of course 1000 Loss from missed work 800 Total: $2850 For 50 systems: $142,500 Windows, initial cost: ---------------------- New computer $1000 Operating System 250 Office Suite 350 Communication Software 0 Installation cost 50 Training cost 0 Total: $1650 For 50 systems: $82,500 Difference: $60,000 Linux really gets beat up when it comes to training costs. I shouldn't get too much into an analysis of that -- I have no idea what training would really cost. I don't even know if anyone has really set up a course for Linux users (as opposed to administrators or the admin/user middle ground of home users). With this difference in cost, you could probably afford to pay for an extra Windows tech. Conversely, to break even on a transition to Linux, this organization would have to be able to drop a technician or two, or find more value in the IT staff they already have (allowing less-burdened staff to spend more time on other projects, for example). So, we'll assume that this imaginary organization has five people working for it. I apologize in advance if my numbers are way out of line for the real world and offend people. I'm just a student employee, and I have no idea what people are getting paid these days. Anyway, we'll imagine two system administrators at $60,000 each. A web developer pulling in $50,000, and two support techs earning $30,000. Currently, the support technicians spend almost all of their time working on desktop systems, but fill in when one or both of the system administrators are gone. The sysadmins usually just keep watch over the servers, but work with the techs on many issues. They also watch over the network. The web developer is usually squirreled away in his office, but comes out fairly frequently to make sure his web and FTP servers haven't crashed. Assuming that Linux systems can be more efficiently managed, the support techs will be able to handle the whole job of administrating desktops themselves. This would open up the system administrators to just watch over the servers and network, basically ignoring the desktops. With more time to watch over servers, they could take over the web guy's maintenance duties. Another possibility that comes up if the desktops are easier to support is that of dropping one of the support techs. The remaining structure of the IT department would pretty much stay the same as it was before. System admin Windows Linux Linux, 1 Tech ------------ ------- ------- ------------- Server maintenance $30,000 $40,000 $30,000 Network maintenance 15,000 20,000 15,000 Workstation support 15,000 0 15,000 Total $60,000 $60,000 $60,000 Both admins $120,000 $120,000 $120,000 Web developer: -------------- Development $35,000 $50,000 $35,000 Server maintenance 15,000 0 15,000 Total $50,000 $50,000 $50,000 Tech support: ------------- Workstation support $25,000 $25,000 $25,000 Server maintenance 5,000 5,000 5,000 Total $30,000 $30,000 $30,000 Both techs $60,000 $60,000 N/A One year: --------- Total IT pay $230,000 $230,000 $200,000 Total desktop support $90,000 $60,000 $60,000 Desktop TCO $172,500 $202,500 $202,500 Two years: ---------- Total IT pay $460,000 $460,000 $400,000 Total desktop support $180,000 $120,000 $120,000 Desktop TCO $262,500 $262,500 $262,500 Three years: ------------ Total IT pay $690,000 $690,000 $600,000 Total desktop support $270,000 $180,000 $180,000 Desktop TCO $352,000 $322,500 $322,500 Taking the first Linux option, the company would get more value out of its IT staff, thirty thousand dollars a year. Switching to Linux would `pay for itself' in two years, and would save the company money after that. Getting rid of a desktop support tech would have basically the same effect, paying off the initial cost in two years, but it would be more apparent on the bottom line. These seem to be pretty thin margins to me, and obviously, it can all get screwed up for a number of reasons. If the company is using homebrew software, it'd have to be re-written, probably ofsetting the whole mess above. Additionally, people use Windows at home, so new employees won't have to be trained as much to be able to use their computer at work (presumably). It might be good to look at another computer buying cycle, as the initial cost there should end up being lower (no re-training costs), and total cost of ownership would start off on the right foot. But I'm not going to touch that.. Pay someone else to do that ;-) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Linux: Just do it. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011110/2aac9ed8/attachment.pgp From ray at lctn.k12.mn.us Sat Nov 10 14:30:11 2001 From: ray at lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sendmail smrsh problem Message-ID: <024201c16a23$b27e3620$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> I am setting up Request Tracker, but having a problem. 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URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011110/2d4ec013/attachment.html From chrome at real-time.com Sat Nov 10 14:34:00 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A bit off... topic, that is In-Reply-To: <1005403001.5099.0.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org>; from dsherman@real-time.com on Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 08:36:35AM -0600 References: <20011110032155.F11918@real-time.com> <1005403001.5099.0.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> Message-ID: <20011110131056.E9837@real-time.com> > Of course, getting companies to send their employees to software > training classes can be like pulling teeth, especially in the current > market -- why is it always the training budget that is first to be cut > when money is tight? because too many companies (sometimes justifiably so) have the impression that 'training' is sort of a paid vacation. of course, I've met people at training classes, that justify this belief. :) especially when you get to the bottom-end users (secretaries and the like); the user desire to actually *learn* anything is very low. at my last job, I had users who outright told me that they didn't want to learn how to use their computer better. at my current job, I've seen cases where users outright refused to help the sysadmin troubleshoot a problem, when he asked them to try things a different way for a few days. I think Linux can benefit these users quite a bit as well... you give them a simple desktop (a 'kindergarten interface' as someone called it), with a few fat icons for the tools they need to do their job, and a taskbar. that's it. no customizing tools, no tools they don't need, not even a local HDD for them to screw up. (NFS-mount stuff, or do remote X displays). Linux offers much more customizability for things like that, than Windows does (at least it's easier to do so, and much cheaper). this goes along with what someone was saying about the future of computing trending towards appliances... this makes your terminal/workstation into an appliance. if a user needs more flexibility; then we give them a more functional desktop environment. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From jima at gimp.damnation.net Sat Nov 10 15:26:46 2001 From: jima at gimp.damnation.net (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG members page In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011110143552.00a26ae0@mail.eleetomatic.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > Yea, Madonna and Cher also complained. I guess this app wasn't made for > famous people. Look, I was trying to be nice about it, but that's just rude. I guess this app wasn't made to accommodate people who value their privacy, either. Jima From mbresnah at visi.com Sat Nov 10 15:37:03 2001 From: mbresnah at visi.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:33 2005 Subject: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Ad vocacy (was Re: (was ...))) In-Reply-To: <20011110030027.C11918@real-time.com> Message-ID: > Most of the apps I work on authentication is handled at > application layer, not > the database layer. > > Is this uncommon to everyone else? > > More or less the DB is just persistent storage. Yes, in my experience the security model provided by the RDBMS is often lacking in features needed to fullfill the requirements. This is particularly true when there security at the row or column level. However, I think the RDBMS is more than "persistent storage". It provides ACID transactions, transaction processing monitor, backup/recovery, a declarative query language, referenctial integrity, query optimization, etc. Mike From clay at fandre.com Sat Nov 10 16:34:06 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG members page In-Reply-To: <20011110132317.A704@slava.net> References: <20011109213205.A6668@fandre.com> <20011110080443.A7347@fandre.com> <20011110112810.A4333@fireopal.org> <20011110132317.A704@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011110152547.A11575@fandre.com> I'm not following... Where are you listed as blank lines? On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, Lorry Lee Strother wrote: > > Did you get a confirmation screen that said Posted by: __________ also? > I think that's the bug. I've noticed the blank lines between the people > whose names actually show up are growing. We're listed as blank lines > instead of by our names. What's up with that? :( > > Lorry > > On Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 11:28:10AM -0600, Scott Raun typed: > > What's controlling what I see on this list? > > > > I just tried to add myself - it looked like it took my info, but isn't > > displaying it. And I don't see anything for Yaron or Jima yet. > > > > Actually, I see a total of six names - Bob Tanner, Clay Fandre, David > > Dykstal, Doug Hanson, Kelly Black, and Munir Nassar. > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Sat Nov 10 16:35:46 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG members page In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011110143552.00a26ae0@mail.eleetomatic.com> Message-ID: <20011110154219.B11575@fandre.com> First of all, Jima, lighten up. It was a joke. Second of all, I gotten enough complaints for the TCLUG members page. I try and do something for the group and all I hear is how it sucks. No, I didn't write it, but I am just as offended. It was like you guys are paying for this service. Yes, I did ask for suggestions on how to make it better, but there is difference between suggestions and critisism. If you feel you can write something better, please do and I'll put it up on the website. But please quit complaining. I have better things to do than listen to a bunch of whiners. On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, Jima wrote: > On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > Yea, Madonna and Cher also complained. I guess this app wasn't made for > > famous people. > > Look, I was trying to be nice about it, but that's just rude. > I guess this app wasn't made to accommodate people who value their > privacy, either. > > Jima > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Sat Nov 10 16:37:10 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG members page In-Reply-To: ; from jima@gimp.damnation.net on Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 02:38:19PM -0600 References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011110143552.00a26ae0@mail.eleetomatic.com> Message-ID: <20011110154503.G9837@real-time.com> > > Yea, Madonna and Cher also complained. I guess this app wasn't made for > > famous people. > > Look, I was trying to be nice about it, but that's just rude. I don't think he meant it rudely. I think it was a joke about Madonna and Cher as much as anything. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From phil at rephil.org Sat Nov 10 16:38:38 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (phil@rephil.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A bit off... topic, that is In-Reply-To: <20011110131056.E9837@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 01:11:01PM -0600 References: <20011110032155.F11918@real-time.com> <1005403001.5099.0.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> <20011110131056.E9837@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011110155252.A13669@rephil.org> On Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 01:11:01PM -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > Of course, getting companies to send their employees to software > > training classes can be like pulling teeth, especially in the current > > market -- why is it always the training budget that is first to be cut > > when money is tight? > especially when you get to the bottom-end users (secretaries and the like); Carl, that's a comment that is dangerous enough to warrant a rebuttal. Placement on an org chart does not correlate too well to rating as a user. More often, it is executives and management who are unwilling to learn techniques or details. My wife is an executive assistant and you could describe a large part of her job as running as computer *FOR* her boss. She and some of the other "clerical" types are the ones who are *MOST* frustrated by redundant data entry, people printing e-mail to distribute messages (rather than forward), requirement to use inappropriate software (confusing when to use database vs. spreadsheet), and the litany goes on and on. There are two problems here: 1: The computer illiterate often approve or set MIS policy at many companies. 2: A person who isn't thinking about how to use the tools at their disposal will do just as bad a job with Linux as anything else. > the user desire to actually *learn* anything is very low. at my last job, I > had users who outright told me that they didn't want to learn how to use > their computer better. at my current job, I've seen cases where users > outright refused to help the sysadmin troubleshoot a problem, when he asked > them to try things a different way for a few days. Part of a performance review for persons using computers to do their job should include a "computer skills" test -- that would help provide a motivation to learn, as well as help weed out those people who were so stubborn that they wouldn't work on it. > I think Linux can benefit these users quite a bit as well... you give them a > simple desktop (a 'kindergarten interface' as someone called it), with a few > fat icons for the tools they need to do their job, and a taskbar. that's it. > no customizing tools, no tools they don't need, not even a local HDD for > them to screw up. (NFS-mount stuff, or do remote X displays). Linux offers > much more customizability for things like that, than Windows does (at least > it's easier to do so, and much cheaper). Frankly, Linux wouldn't solve the problem -- it's a human problem not a machine problem. But if they're going to have to start to think, they might as well do it using tools that look pretty on the inside as well as on the outside. I think Linux avoids a lot of the cumbersome-ness of other OS's, works right a truly reasonable amount of time, and has real I/O redirection. Plus the software cost isn't an issue. But the training part is, always has been, and probably almost always will be. Too bad you can't teach common sense. > this goes along with what someone was saying about the future of > computing trending towards appliances... this makes your > terminal/workstation into an appliance. if a user needs more flexibility; > then we give them a more functional desktop environment. I agree -- productivity comes from making a tool that does what someone needs it to do, and doesn't distract with lots of useless options. Desktops in the corporate world should be like a Model-T: you can have any color you like, as long as it's black. But then I think a text terminal with ncurses menus is perfectly fine for most actual work. If they need more flexibility, give them a compiler! Just another county heard from. -- I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Nov 10 16:40:11 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG members page In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey, On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, Jima wrote: > Look, I was trying to be nice about it, but that's just rude. > I guess this app wasn't made to accommodate people who value their > privacy, either. No, it wasn't, and Cley's working on it. Give him a chance. -Yaron -- From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Nov 10 16:48:13 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux in the office (was: A bit off... topic, that is) In-Reply-To: <20011110135741.12b9eb97.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> References: <20011110032155.F11918@real-time.com> <1005403001.5099.0.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> <20011110135741.12b9eb97.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011110152155.2c6ceeba.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Whoops.. I missed the point of the earlier thread of conversation, which was that corporate users are largely untrained when it comes to that big white brick on their desktop. Following the model I outlined in my previous post, you could conceivably ignore the cost of re-training, or at least reduce it by a bunch. Cost could be recovered quicker, or it wouldn't require you to reduce your staff, etc. Conversely, if you took the time to train users in this transition, they'd end up being more productive anyway. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ The hardness of the butter / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ is proportional to the \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) softness of the bread. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011110/e14501c1/attachment.pgp From florin at iucha.net Sat Nov 10 17:43:06 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:34 2005 Subject: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Ad vocacy (was Re: (was ...))) In-Reply-To: ; from mbresnah@visi.com on Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 03:02:54PM -0800 References: <20011110030027.C11918@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011110163611.B17744@beaver.iucha.org> On Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 03:02:54PM -0800, Mike Bresnahan wrote: > > Most of the apps I work on authentication is handled at > > application layer, not > > the database layer. > > > > Is this uncommon to everyone else? > > > > More or less the DB is just persistent storage. > > Yes, in my experience the security model provided by the RDBMS is often > lacking in features needed to fullfill the requirements. This is > particularly true when there security at the row or column level. 1. Trusted Oracle 2. You make a schema owner and then all the users have views over the master tables allowing them to see only what they are supposed to. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011110/b888cfe9/attachment.pgp From kelly-black at attbroadband.com Sat Nov 10 17:49:08 2001 From: kelly-black at attbroadband.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG members page In-Reply-To: <20011110154219.B11575@fandre.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011110143552.00a26ae0@mail.eleetomatic.com> <20011110154219.B11575@fandre.com> Message-ID: <01111016514401.00225@edith> Thanks Clay I think improving the site is a great idea. If I had problems with using the posting method, I would not have used it. I don't think people need to bash (no pun intended) a non 1.0 release of someones attempt to make the content a little more interesting and involve the lug members. Kelly Black On Saturday 10 November 2001 15:42, you wrote: > First of all, Jima, lighten up. It was a joke. > > Second of all, I gotten enough complaints for the TCLUG members page. I try > and do something for the group and all I hear is how it sucks. No, I didn't > write it, but I am just as offended. It was like you guys are paying for > this service. Yes, I did ask for suggestions on how to make it better, but > there is difference between suggestions and critisism. If you feel you can > write something better, please do and I'll put it up on the website. But > please quit complaining. I have better things to do than list n to a bunch > of whiners. > From jima at gimp.damnation.net Sat Nov 10 17:55:29 2001 From: jima at gimp.damnation.net (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG members page In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011110164524.00a3fc70@mail.eleetomatic.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > First of all, Jima, lighten up. It was a joke. Okay, my apologies. Once again we're reminded of the fact that text has an annoying tendency to fail to convey tone. > Second of all, I gotten enough complaints for the TCLUG members page. I try > and do something for the group and all I hear is how it sucks. No, I didn't > write it, but I am just as offended. It was like you guys are paying for > this service. Yes, I did ask for suggestions on how to make it better, but > there is difference between suggestions and critisism. If you feel you can > write something better, please do and I'll put it up on the website. But > please quit complaining. I have better things to do than listen to a bunch > of whiners. I'm sorry. I was simply trying to suggest an improvement. If it were easy. (Of course it's possible, but is it worth the time? Who knows.) Your joking response seemed like a blow-off to me. I was mistaken. Okay. And yes, I fully realized that you didn't write it. The minor quirks (which feel like design flaws) didn't seem like it was custom-written for this purpose. Anyway, there was something of a workaround for my complaint. Just enter anything for the last name, and once you're added, log in and erase it. Easy enough. (The only detail is that your login contains that last name, but oh well.) Again, I apologize for blowing up at you over a misunderstanding. I agree, my original suggestion looks more like a complaint. My fault, but I also blame the toneless text. :) Thanks, Clay. Jima From doughanson at mediaone.net Sat Nov 10 18:47:06 2001 From: doughanson at mediaone.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG members page References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011110143552.00a26ae0@mail.eleetomatic.com> <20011110154219.B11575@fandre.com> Message-ID: <002b01c16a43$feb4cf20$a928f518@mediaone.net> Here Here Clay, Thanks for all of your effort!!! Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clay Fandre" To: Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG members page > First of all, Jima, lighten up. It was a joke. > > Second of all, I gotten enough complaints for the TCLUG members page. I try and do something for the group and all I hear is how it sucks. No, I didn't write it, but I am just as offended. It was like you guys are paying for this service. Yes, I did ask for suggestions on how to make it better, but there is difference between suggestions and critisism. If you feel you can write something better, please do and I'll put it up on the website. But please quit complaining. I have better things to do than listen to a bunch of whiners. > > > On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, Jima wrote: > > > On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > > > Yea, Madonna and Cher also complained. I guess this app wasn't made for > > > famous people. > > > > Look, I was trying to be nice about it, but that's just rude. > > I guess this app wasn't made to accommodate people who value their > > privacy, either. > > > > Jima > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rahrenstorff at yahoo.com Sat Nov 10 18:50:28 2001 From: rahrenstorff at yahoo.com (Rodd Ahrenstorff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A bit off... topic, that is In-Reply-To: <20011110131056.E9837@real-time.com> References: <1005403001.5099.0.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> <20011110131056.E9837@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200111102106.fAAL6Vc04527@sprite.real-time.com> On Saturday 10 November 2001 01:11 pm, you wrote: > > > I had users who outright told me that they didn't want to learn how to use > their computer better. Most users only want to know how to perform thier job with less work...training is often seen as "work" and the benefits do not always directly impact the user to such a degree as to make thier job easier. At least they don't see it this way. I work with news reporters at Fox29. They have $1200 PC's on thier desks. They use about 10% of it's capabilities. They prefer to know just enough to get thier jobs done. I don't really blame them. They are not computer experts and shouldn't have to be. It's simply a tool. I look at it this way: software needs to be like a game. Games are easy at first, the levels are quicker and the learning curve is low. As the game progresses things become more difficult and take longer to accomplish. User software should follow the same ideology. Don't give users all the capabilites of the XYZ software package until they can utilize them proficiently. Levels of complexity within an "office suite" could then be "turned on/off" to match the users level of knowledge. I'm not a sysadmin by job title. However, I do perform much the same job as a professional (without much of the pay!). I administer to approx. 50 users on Win2k clients and NT servers. I also have 2 SCO Unix servers and a FreeBSD video server. Happy Happy Joy Joy... _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From tanner at real-time.com Sat Nov 10 18:51:52 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:34 2005 Subject: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Ad vocacy (was Re: (was ...))) In-Reply-To: <20011110165715.B37383@io.stderr.net>; from thomas@stderr.net on Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 04:57:15PM +0100 References: <20011109210633.B29682@io.stderr.net> <20011110000704.A37383@io.stderr.net> <20011110025820.B11918@real-time.com> <20011110165715.B37383@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20011110181850.T32713@real-time.com> Quoting Thomas Eibner (thomas@stderr.net): > Why would you want your servlet container to cache the queries for you? > That is the job of the database, and the database only. What if the data > changed on disk? Uh, I asked you not to ask me how it does it. :-) To be honest, I can't answer your question. But using Enhydra3 with DODS (http://www.enhydra.org) it does some aggressive cache stuff and really gives a performance boast. You of course can .hitDatabase() and force it do it the DB everytime, you can even for all queries to hit the database via a properties file. How do I use this? Let's say you have a lookup table for the US states, both the abbreviations and full names (MN, Minnesota). First hit to the db populates the cache, every request after that gets it from the cache, without having to query the db. I do the the same thing for Countries. I have yet to run into a problem with the cache not working, but I've been to busy writing apps to really understand how it works, so I just file it under the blackbox fold and use it. Snarf DODS and take a look, the code is actually well written and documented. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Sat Nov 10 18:53:23 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:34 2005 Subject: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Ad vocacy (was Re: (was ...))) In-Reply-To: <20011110163611.B17744@beaver.iucha.org>; from florin@iucha.net on Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 04:36:11PM -0600 References: <20011110030027.C11918@real-time.com> <20011110163611.B17744@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20011110182313.U32713@real-time.com> Quoting Florin Iucha (florin@iucha.net): > > Yes, in my experience the security model provided by the RDBMS is often > > lacking in features needed to fullfill the requirements. This is > > particularly true when there security at the row or column level. > > 1. Trusted Oracle > > 2. You make a schema owner and then all the users have views over the master > tables allowing them to see only what they are supposed to. After reading this, I think I see the difference. Every project I have worked on does not have the budge for Oracle, we use MySQL or Postgres. And while it hurts my feels to say I write "shopping cart" applications :-P, that is a pretty correct assessment. So a simple username/password stored in LDAP (normally) is all the security that is needed. Because all the persists for the user is session based. When they come back, it's usually a "new" session. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Sat Nov 10 18:55:03 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG members page In-Reply-To: <20011110154219.B11575@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 03:42:19PM -0600 References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011110143552.00a26ae0@mail.eleetomatic.com> <20011110154219.B11575@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20011110182733.W32713@real-time.com> Quoting Clay Fandre (clay@fandre.com): > First of all, Jima, lighten up. It was a joke. Did you hear the one about the MCSE, the RHCE, and Bill Gates? > Second of all, I gotten enough complaints for the TCLUG members page. I try > and do something for the group and all I hear is how it sucks. No, I didn't > write it, but I am just as offended. It was like you guys are paying for this > service. Yes, I did ask for suggestions on how to make it better, but there is > difference between suggestions and critisism. If you feel you can write > something better, please do and I'll put it up on the website. But please quit > complaining. I have better things to do than listen to a bunch of whiners. I think it's great. If need be, we can put it into cvs and let everyone add whatever they want to it. Remember it's easy to complain. It's hard to suggest a new feature -and- actually write the code. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From alcyone at slava.net Sat Nov 10 19:59:27 2001 From: alcyone at slava.net (Lorry Lee Strother) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail notification programs Message-ID: <20011110193730.A753@slava.net> I got mutt/exim working. :) Well, I can't send mail to myself, but I guess that's not a very important feature anyway. I want a mail notification program, and I'm looking for a dockable window maker app to do it. I tried omniBiff, which is supposed to also check my hotmail and yahoo mail so I thought that was neat. I can't get it to install though. So next I tried wmBiff. It's installed and it runs, but it appears to completely ignore my .wmbiffrc, so it only checks local mail and not my pop mail like I tried to set it up to do. So then I got wmmail. Same problem... it runs but it ignores my configuration. Does anyone have experience with any of these? What am I doing wrong? Thanks! Lorry From bradyh at bitstream.net Sat Nov 10 21:13:15 2001 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG members page In-Reply-To: <002b01c16a43$feb4cf20$a928f518@mediaone.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011110143552.00a26ae0@mail.eleetomatic.com> <20011110154219.B11575@fandre.com> <002b01c16a43$feb4cf20$a928f518@mediaone.net> Message-ID: <1005444233.1845.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Yeah, thanks Clay. I think it's a cool idea. I mean we get to know people a little at meetings but it's easy to forget. I hope people will enter info about themselves and their uses of Linux in the bios...that would be interesting. At least you got feedback...that's more than I usually get from my lusers. ;-) Brady On Sat, 2001-11-10 at 18:01, Doug Hanson wrote: > Here Here Clay, Thanks for all of your effort!!! > > Doug > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clay Fandre" > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 3:42 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG members page > > > > First of all, Jima, lighten up. It was a joke. > > > > Second of all, I gotten enough complaints for the TCLUG members page. I > try and do something for the group and all I hear is how it sucks. No, I > didn't write it, but I am just as offended. It was like you guys are paying > for this service. Yes, I did ask for suggestions on how to make it better, > but there is difference between suggestions and critisism. If you feel you > can write something better, please do and I'll put it up on the website. But > please quit complaining. I have better things to do than listen to a bunch > of whiners. > > > > > > On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, Jima wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > > > > > Yea, Madonna and Cher also complained. I guess this app wasn't made > for > > > > famous people. > > > > > > Look, I was trying to be nice about it, but that's just rude. > > > I guess this app wasn't made to accommodate people who value their > > > privacy, either. > > > > > > Jima > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sat Nov 10 21:19:40 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] XFree4.1 + ldconfig = non-working openGL Message-ID: I just got the latest CVS of XFree86 hoping it would fix a problem i have been having but it seems to be configuration problem... after i do a make install for xfree it installs properly and i can play UT like a human being, but if for some reason after that i run ldconfig (like when i install new software) ut crashes with Entering main loop. X Error of failed request: GLXBadRenderRequest Major opcode of failed request: 130 (GLX) Minor opcode of failed request: 1 (X_GLXRender) Serial number of failed request: 27 Current serial number in output stream: 28 Signal: SIGSEGV [segmentation fault] Aborting. Segmentation fault i have tried this several time and i can reproduce the error upon demand, one way to get around this is to redo a make install for xfree, not my idea of fun when everybody else around me is fragging away... here are the contents of my ld.so.conf: /usr/lib /usr/kerberos/lib /usr/X11R6/lib /usr/lib/sane /usr/local/lib /usr/lib/qt2/lib the system is a is RedHat Linux 7.1 using Linux 2.4.13+ext3 has anybody come across this before or have an idea of why this is happening? -munir -- From marc at ds6.net Sat Nov 10 21:29:10 2001 From: marc at ds6.net (Marc A. Ohmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISPs, last mile Message-ID: <20011031000143.A4578@flanders.digsol.net> When how do non-telco ISPs connect to the last mile. Do they lease equipment at the telco or does all the last-mile traffic get sent on a fat pipe to the ISP from the CO. I guess I'm just wondering how its possible for anyone who isn't a telco to be competative in the ISP market (or isn't it :-) ). I was recently pricing out DS1 and DS3 links from Onvoy, Sprint, and Qwest and I was shocked at the prices. DS3s may be 30x faster than DS1s but they are also 30x the price! $30k - 35k/mo! I always thought that links got cheaper per bandwidth as they went up. So if its $35k / mo for 45Mbps how can kernel.org, slackware.com, ... afford to have dedicated 100 and 155Mbps links when they're non-profit. If prices remain linear someones paying $100-150k / mo! Who's footin' the bill? -- Marc A. Ohmann Digital Solutions, Inc http://ds6.net marc@ds6.net From tl at assimilated.org Sat Nov 10 22:20:29 2001 From: tl at assimilated.org (Tim Lupfer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail notification programs In-Reply-To: <20011110193730.A753@slava.net> References: <20011110193730.A753@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011110220824.A1840@assimilated.org> >>>>> Lorry Lee Strother [Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 07:37:31PM -0600]: > I got mutt/exim working. :) Well, I can't send mail to myself, but I guess > that's not a very important feature anyway. I want a mail notification > program, and I'm looking for a dockable window maker app to do it. [...] it may not be 100% what you're looking for, but gkrellm has a plugin that will check pop3 mail (there is one to check local spool as well). www.gkrellm.net - it has quite a few other neat features as well. -- timothy r. lupfer tl@assimilated.org Familiarity breeds contempt--and children. -- Mark Twain From cznews at att.net Sun Nov 11 00:52:03 2001 From: cznews at att.net (Carl Zeilon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: ATAPI zip Message-ID: <20011111044403.SRLU19017.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@there> I'll try to answer all your questions as best I can. All items are ide. My CD is primary master, ZIp primary slave, CDRW secondary master, no secondary slave. I run two hard drives on a Promise ultra100 card. These would be a master & slave on channel 0. The command I'm using is "mount /dev/hdb4". This works fine when I boot with a disk in the drive. This delivers the no such device error when I boot with no disk in drive. In fact, the first message I see when booting with no disk is "no disk in hdb". Yes, I have file /dev/hdb4. I know Mike mentioned devfs, I see it in the following log. As a newbie I don't have any idea what it is or does. One more clue - I have discovered that if I eject the disk (after starting the machine with a disk in & successfully mounting it) I can not mount it again. I get mount: special device /dev/hdb4 does not exist Here is "mount" with or without disk in at startup: [carl@localhost carl]$ mount /dev/hde9 on / type ext2 (rw) none on /proc type proc (rw) devfs on /dev type devfs (rw) /dev/hde8 on /boot type ext2 (rw) none on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,mode=0620) none on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) /dev/hde10 on /home type ext2 (rw) /dev/hde1 on /mnt/win_c type vfat (rw,iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,codepage=850) /dev/hdf1 on /mnt/win_c2 type vfat (rw,iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,codepage=850) /dev/hde5 on /mnt/win_d type vfat (rw,iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,codepage=850) /dev/hdf5 on /mnt/win_d2 type vfat (rw,iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,codepage=850) /dev/hde6 on /mnt/win_e type vfat (rw,iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,codepage=850) /dev/hdf6 on /mnt/win_e2 type vfat (rw,iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,codepage=850) /proc/bus/usb on /proc/bus/usb type usbdevfs (rw,devmode=0664,devgid=43) Here is mount with disk in at startup & after mounting hdb4 (zip drive), note last 2 lines: [carl@localhost carl]$ mount /dev/hde9 on / type ext2 (rw) none on /proc type proc (rw) devfs on /dev type devfs (rw) /dev/hde8 on /boot type ext2 (rw) none on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,mode=0620) none on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) /dev/hde10 on /home type ext2 (rw) /dev/hde1 on /mnt/win_c type vfat (rw,iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,codepage=850) /dev/hdf1 on /mnt/win_c2 type vfat (rw,iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,codepage=850) /dev/hde5 on /mnt/win_d type vfat (rw,iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,codepage=850) /dev/hdf5 on /mnt/win_d2 type vfat (rw,iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,codepage=850) /dev/hde6 on /mnt/win_e type vfat (rw,iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,codepage=850) /dev/hdf6 on /mnt/win_e2 type vfat (rw,iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,codepage=850) /proc/bus/usb on /proc/bus/usb type usbdevfs (rw,devmode=0664,devgid=43) /dev/hdb4 on /mnt/zip type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,sync,iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,codepage=850,user=carl) I don't see any error messages in "dmesg", here is the part that pertains to the drives. As you can see, it's layed out just as I described it above: hda:Pioneer CD-ROM ATAPI Model DR-744 0102, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive hdb: IOMEGA ZIP 100 ATAPI, ATAPI FLOPPY drive hdc: PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W1210A, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive hde: IC35L040AVER07-0, ATA DISK drive hdf: Maxtor 53073H6, ATA DISK drive ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15 ide2 at 0x1420-0x1427,0x1416 on irq 10 hde: 80418240 sectors (41174 MB) w/1916KiB Cache, CHS=79780/16/63, UDMA(100) hdf: 60030432 sectors (30736 MB) w/2048KiB Cache, CHS=59554/16/63, UDMA(100) hda: ATAPI 32X CD-ROM drive, 128kB Cache, DMA Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.12 ide-floppy driver 0.97 hdb: No disk in drive hdb: 98304kB, 96/64/32 CHS, 4096 kBps, 512 sector size, 2941 rpm Partition check: /dev/ide/host2/bus0/target0/lun0: [PTBL] [5005/255/63] p1 p2 < p5 p6 p7 p8 p9 p 10 > /dev/ide/host2/bus0/target1/lun0: [PTBL] [3736/255/63] p1 p2 < p5 p6 > Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M FDC 0 is a post-1991 82077 ide-floppy driver 0.97 If I run "dmesg" with a disk in drive the line that reads: "hdb: No disk in drive" changes to: "hdb: 98304kB, 196608 blocks, 512 sector size" From tanner at real-time.com Sun Nov 11 01:10:10 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISPs, last mile In-Reply-To: <20011031000143.A4578@flanders.digsol.net>; from marc@ds6.net on Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 12:01:43AM -0600 References: <20011031000143.A4578@flanders.digsol.net> Message-ID: <20011110235927.H32713@real-time.com> Quoting Marc A. Ohmann (marc@ds6.net): > I was recently pricing out DS1 and DS3 links from Onvoy, Sprint, and Qwest and > I was shocked at the prices. DS3s may be 30x faster than DS1s but they are > also 30x the price! $30k - 35k/mo! I always thought that links got cheaper > per bandwidth as they went up. So if its $35k / mo for 45Mbps how can > kernel.org, slackware.com, ... afford to have dedicated 100 and 155Mbps links > when they're non-profit. If prices remain linear someones paying $100-150k / > mo! Who's footin' the bill? Now you know why so many CLEC and Broadband providers went out of business. The way most ISPs make money is volume. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From seg at haxxed.mine.nu Sun Nov 11 01:53:10 2001 From: seg at haxxed.mine.nu (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:34 2005 Subject: Arguements, WAS Re: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Ad vocacy (was Re: (was ...))) References: <20011110030120.D11918@real-time.com> <20011110133444.A13436@rephil.org> Message-ID: <3BEE2249.1030405@haxxed.mine.nu> >>>>>perl := yuck >>>>>java := good >>>>> >>... >> >>>Linux := >>>Windows := >>>Idiot Ben := >>> >>Why are we reverting to Pascal? (; >> > > Nothing wrong with Pascal, but you better comment those out until you > settle on a definition or it won't compile. Maybe its a Makefile? From florin at iucha.net Sun Nov 11 01:56:13 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: ATAPI zip In-Reply-To: <20011111044403.SRLU19017.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@there>; from cznews@att.net on Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 10:40:56PM -0600 References: <20011111044403.SRLU19017.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@there> Message-ID: <20011111014943.A7926@beaver.iucha.org> On Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 10:40:56PM -0600, Carl Zeilon wrote: > One more clue - I have discovered that if I eject the disk (after starting > the machine with a disk in & successfully mounting it) I can not mount it > again. I get mount: special device /dev/hdb4 does not exist > Here is "mount" with or without disk in at startup: just a random stab in the dark: install strace and do a strace mount /dev/hdb4 /mnt/whatever > out1 remove the floppy and do it again strace mount /dev/hdb4 /mnt/whatever > out2 and do a diff and see what is going on. And b) try mount /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun3 /mnt/whatever and see what happens. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ might need to poke around a bit, to see if that really exists florin > I don't see any error messages in "dmesg", here is the part that pertains to > the drives. As you can see, it's layed out just as I described it above: > > hda:Pioneer CD-ROM ATAPI Model DR-744 0102, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive > hdb: IOMEGA ZIP 100 ATAPI, ATAPI FLOPPY drive > hdc: PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W1210A, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive > hde: IC35L040AVER07-0, ATA DISK drive > hdf: Maxtor 53073H6, ATA DISK drive > ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 > ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15 > ide2 at 0x1420-0x1427,0x1416 on irq 10 > hde: 80418240 sectors (41174 MB) w/1916KiB Cache, CHS=79780/16/63, UDMA(100) > hdf: 60030432 sectors (30736 MB) w/2048KiB Cache, CHS=59554/16/63, UDMA(100) > hda: ATAPI 32X CD-ROM drive, 128kB Cache, DMA > Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.12 > ide-floppy driver 0.97 > hdb: No disk in drive > hdb: 98304kB, 96/64/32 CHS, 4096 kBps, 512 sector size, 2941 rpm > Partition check: > /dev/ide/host2/bus0/target0/lun0: [PTBL] [5005/255/63] p1 p2 < p5 p6 p7 p8 > p9 p > 10 > > /dev/ide/host2/bus0/target1/lun0: [PTBL] [3736/255/63] p1 p2 < p5 p6 > > Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M > FDC 0 is a post-1991 82077 > ide-floppy driver 0.97 > > > If I run "dmesg" with a disk in drive the line that reads: "hdb: No disk in > drive" changes to: "hdb: 98304kB, 196608 blocks, 512 sector size" > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Anyone have any ideas? -Yaron -- From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Nov 11 03:05:18 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISPs, last mile Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE13C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Keep in mind that the $30k+ they quoted you is their "list" price. You can usually work them and get it cheaper. I know of several companies (I can't say who) that have offered DS3's for around $9k a month. But this is usually because there is the promise of additional business in the future. Also, you may want to look into Cogent. They have 100Mbps fiber links for $3k a month. But, they don't have service in Minneapolis. What some people here have done is get a long haul OC-3 link to Chicago for $13k a month to hook up with them. $16k a month is CHEAP for 100Mbps link. They also have Gig links available for around $18k a month, but I don't know what the long haul fiber would cost you for that speed. But, you do get what you pay for... Cogent doesn't have a very redundant network right now, and the number of hops to get anywhere else on the internet from their network seems high. > -----Original Message----- > From: Marc A. Ohmann [mailto:marc@ds6.net] > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 12:02 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] ISPs, last mile > > > When how do non-telco ISPs connect to the last mile. Do they > lease equipment at the telco or does all the last-mile > traffic get sent on a fat pipe to the ISP from the CO. I > guess I'm just wondering how its possible for anyone who > isn't a telco to be competative in the ISP market (or isn't it :-) ). > > I was recently pricing out DS1 and DS3 links from Onvoy, > Sprint, and Qwest and I was shocked at the prices. DS3s may > be 30x faster than DS1s but they are also 30x the price! > $30k - 35k/mo! I always thought that links got cheaper per > bandwidth as they went up. So if its $35k / mo for 45Mbps > how can kernel.org, slackware.com, ... afford to have > dedicated 100 and 155Mbps links when they're non-profit. If > prices remain linear someones paying $100-150k / mo! Who's > footin' the bill? > > -- > Marc A. Ohmann > Digital Solutions, Inc > http://ds6.net > marc@ds6.net > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Sun Nov 11 04:24:11 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LILO prob: Map segment is too big In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Sun, Nov 11, 2001 at 02:34:59AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011111030540.O32713@real-time.com> Quoting Yaron (jethro@freakzilla.com): > Hey, > > I've just finished building my Road Laptop - it dial-boots Win2K and Red > Hat 7.2 (because I lost my debian CDs and don't have a floppy drive). > > Anyway... I tried to switch LILO so Win2K is the default OS to boot (I'll > be using it for GPS so I need it more often). I edited lilo.conf changing > only the Default label, and when I run lilo it says "Fatal: Map segment is > too big." and dies. I have not updated the kernel or changed any other > LILO options. Anyone have any ideas? GRUB fixes this problem. Probably not the answer you want to hear, but it's an answer. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Sun Nov 11 06:28:16 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IMPORTANT: Activated ORBZ Message-ID: <20011111054347.F11905@real-time.com> I got over 5,000(!) spam messages today. I sent all 5,000 to spamcop. I've only gotten through 300, but of those 300 spam message 274 are reported from open relays via spamcop which queries orbz. I just activated orbz, http://www.orbz.org, because spam is driving me insane. It's only activated on the mailing list so, if there are any problems you can still send mail to me directly. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From eng at pinenet.com Sun Nov 11 07:50:40 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SUSE 7.2 Message-ID: <01C16A7A.10977400.eng@pinenet.com> I'm glad you stepped forward and offer to help with SuSE questions. -----Original Message----- From: Jack Ungerleider [SMTP:jack@jacku.com] Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 4:40 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] SUSE 7.2 On Thursday 08 November 2001 19:37, you wrote: > I see a lot of users are using RedHat Linux. > > Are there many that are using SUSE 7.2 ? > > This is what I have recently installed. I am a new user to Linux. So far so > good with the installation and configuration. Just looking if someone else > might be out there to bounce SUSE 7.2 questions around with. > > Thanks > Bill I've been using SuSE since 5.3 days. Currently my system is running 7.2 that was upgraded from 7.0. I've done a couple of "clean" 7.2 installs and suspect this box is head for a rebuild in the not too distant future. So fire away with the SuSE questions I'll answer what I can. (Which may not be much. ;-) -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From eng at pinenet.com Sun Nov 11 07:52:06 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Geek wannabe (was fuel cell progress) Message-ID: <01C16A7A.12537BE0.eng@pinenet.com> An enormous pile of money is being created by the US Congress for economic stimulus. Reps want investment tax credits, Dems want funding for programs. Agriculture energy initiatives are close to the top. The politicos are already reaching for the loot with methanol/ fuel cells and livestock "manure digesters" (septic tanks) now seen as genuine opportunities. I have been involved with both projects so I get the hit men at my door at 1:45 AM. If done properly, both projects will need thousands of linux controllers to manage the chemistry and the electrical power production. With hundreds of self proclaimed experts grabbing for the money, I have my hands full keeping the effort on track. I wish I could become a linux controller geek. The politicos are parading a concrete manure tank methane system they funded in my area. But the cost of that single concrete tank would build a factory able to manufacture thousands of cheap "recycled plastic livestock septic tanks" (1987 proposal). Similarly, "renewable energy" experts are everywhere except the University of Minnesota Institute of Technology. I've now gotten some physicists there a chance to be heard. If real science is allowed, methanol (and other fuels) fuel cells will be popping up everywhere. Both systems will require linux controllers. The internet was built in the Reagan era; funded largely through investment tax credits, military funding, and specific University "supercomputer institutes" programs. A similar energy plan is now being formulated. I have no idea how or if this will emerge. But if these systems do emerge, linux controller geeks will be in demand. From clay at fandre.com Sun Nov 11 10:10:29 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG members page In-Reply-To: References: <20011109213205.A6668@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20011111094508.D11575@fandre.com> Since many users recommended that their email not be shown on their members page, I added a field to toggle this on/off. By default it's off, so you must go in and switch it to on in your profile. I tested it, but I'm sure I fat fingered something so please let me know if you run into problems or errors. So please continue to enter your real email address because it allows me to validate your entry. (This means you Greg!) -- Clay On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, Yaron wrote: > Hey, > > On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > The TCLUG finally has a members page. So take a minute and register and tell us a little bit about yourself. > > Frankly I don't like putting my real Email address on a website. I tried > faking it (jethro(a)freakzilla.com) but it yelled at me. > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Sun Nov 11 11:42:15 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail notification programs In-Reply-To: <20011110193730.A753@slava.net> References: <20011110193730.A753@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011111104244.A20289@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 07:37:31PM -0600, Lorry Lee Strother wrote: > I got mutt/exim working. :) Well, I can't send mail to myself, but I guess > that's not a very important feature anyway. I want a mail notification > program, and I'm looking for a dockable window maker app to do it. I tried > omniBiff, which is supposed to also check my hotmail and yahoo mail so I > thought that was neat. I can't get it to install though. > So next I tried wmBiff. It's installed and it runs, but it appears to > completely ignore my .wmbiffrc, so it only checks local mail and not my > pop mail like I tried to set it up to do. So then I got wmmail. Same > problem... it runs but it ignores my configuration. Does anyone have > experience with any of these? What am I doing wrong? I use wmmail, though I haven't used it with pop. I remember that it was kind of a pain to set up and somewhere in the past couple of years the config file format changed. Anyway, are you sure that your config is getting read? To check try putting some a garbage line into your .wmmailrc and restarting wmmail. If that doesn't work, try sending your config file to the list - maybe one of us can spot the problem. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Cookies are tasty! |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://faircopyright.org/ From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Nov 11 12:03:32 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux and Win2K TOC the same? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0A1@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Well, it's probably true that your support costs more as you can't really hire morons to administer unix boxes, and non-morons generally aren't cheap. I still think linux is probably cheaper though in the long run because you don't get constantly screwed buying licenses which are unreasonably priced. Plus, there's less downtime, which saves you money if you have strict SLA's with your clients, and there's less chance of a security breach which could cost you ALOT. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 10:21 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Linux and Win2K TOC the same? http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20011030/tc/tech_intel_napster_dc_2.html "In any case, using Linux is not much cheaper than Windows 2000. Although Linux as an operating system is free, the real costs are related to the computers, and support and maintenance, he said." I might be blinded by by religion and this group my not have the ability to let the religion go, but can anyone look outside the box on this and comment? My perspective is Linux is much cheaper then Windows. Even if you pay for a distro you are starting out ahead. Add the virus resistence, stability, reliability, and security out of the box. Linux should be have a better TOC then Win2k. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Sun Nov 11 12:43:32 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LILO prob: Map segment is too big In-Reply-To: <20011111030540.O32713@real-time.com> Message-ID: HYey, On Sun, 11 Nov 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > GRUB fixes this problem. Probably not the answer you want to hear, but it's an > answer. *LOL* The only one I got, too, so I'll take it. How do you install grub? -Yaron -- From florin at iucha.net Sun Nov 11 12:48:52 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG members page In-Reply-To: <20011111094508.D11575@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Sun, Nov 11, 2001 at 09:45:08AM -0600 References: <20011109213205.A6668@fandre.com> <20011111094508.D11575@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20011111123024.A968@beaver.iucha.org> On Sun, Nov 11, 2001 at 09:45:08AM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: > Since many users recommended that their email not be shown on their members page, I added a field to toggle this on/off. By default it's off, so you must go in and switch it to on in your profile. I tested it, but I'm sure I fat fingered something so please let me know if you run into problems or errors. > > So please continue to enter your real email address because it allows me to validate your entry. (This means you Greg!) What was wrong with my idea of s/@/ at / s/\./ dot /g when you display it? florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011111/62792569/attachment.pgp From alcyone at slava.net Sun Nov 11 14:00:51 2001 From: alcyone at slava.net (Lorry Lee Strother) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail notification programs In-Reply-To: <20011111104244.A20289@gordo.space.umn.edu> References: <20011110193730.A753@slava.net> <20011111104244.A20289@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011111071845.A5565@slava.net> On Sun, Nov 11, 2001 at 10:42:44AM -0600, Jim Crumley typed: > > Anyway, are you sure that your config is getting read? > No. It doesn't do anything I said in my config file, that's the problem. When I run wmbiff I even explicitly state to use my config file (even though I shouldn't have to) by running wmbiff -c ./.wmbiffrc and still it does not work. I don't know if wmmail has a similar command; I couldn't find one. My config file for wmmail says to check my popmail every 5 minutes, beep if there is new mail, and start mutt if I click on it. None of those things happen so, no I don't think it is reading the config. My wmbiff config file says basically the same thing, and I know it is not getting read because it lists my mailbox as "spool". Since wmmail doesn't put a label on my mailbox, I don't know if it's working or not until I wait 10 minutes and nothing's happened even if I know for sure there is mail in my box. Making the file (I don't think) is not the problem. I just edited the sample one so it should work. I've tried putting it in various directories, since the man page does NOT ever tell you where to put it, or even what to name it. I read it five times and I couldn't believe none of that was mentioned anywhere. It didn't even say some vague thing like "do the usual thing" like I have seen some ultra-useful pages say. So I don't know what else I have to do to get it to work. Lorry From bradyh at bitstream.net Sun Nov 11 14:07:45 2001 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG members page In-Reply-To: <20011111123024.A968@beaver.iucha.org> References: <20011109213205.A6668@fandre.com> <20011111094508.D11575@fandre.com> <20011111123024.A968@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <1005507110.1845.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> I was thinking about this and I think the ideal way to handle this situation in general might be to have a scrambled email address and then a javascript that unscrambles it either on page load or when you click on it. Spambots could probably be designed to work around this though. And I suppose it would mess up people without javascript. Hmmm... Brady On Sun, 2001-11-11 at 12:30, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Sun, Nov 11, 2001 at 09:45:08AM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: > > Since many users recommended that their email not be shown on their members page, I added a field to toggle this on/off. By default it's off, so you must go in and switch it to on in your profile. I tested it, but I'm sure I fat fingered something so please let me know if you run into problems or errors. > > > > So please continue to enter your real email address because it allows me to validate your entry. (This means you Greg!) > > What was wrong with my idea of > s/@/ at / > s/\./ dot /g > when you display it? > > florin > > -- > > "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." > > 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From dmblevins at mediaone.net Sun Nov 11 15:15:16 2001 From: dmblevins at mediaone.net (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Monthly TCLUG Meeting this Saturday In-Reply-To: <20011102064627.A27096@fandre.com> Message-ID: I completely missed this meeting, I was looking forward to it too. Are there slides available somewhere? David > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Clay Fandre > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 6:46 AM > To: tclug-announce > Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Monthly TCLUG Meeting this Saturday > > > When: > Saturday November 3rd, 2001 noon - 2pm > > Topic > LDAP > > Where: > University of Minnesota > Room EE-CS 3-180 > http://onestop.umn.edu/Maps/EECSci/index.html > > Check out http://www.mn-linux.org/meetings/ for more information. > > Hope to see you there! > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-announce mailing list > tclug-announce@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Sun Nov 11 15:20:29 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG members page In-Reply-To: <20011111123024.A968@beaver.iucha.org> References: <20011109213205.A6668@fandre.com> <20011111094508.D11575@fandre.com> <20011111123024.A968@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20011111144404.E11575@fandre.com> On Sun, 11 Nov 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Sun, Nov 11, 2001 at 09:45:08AM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: > > Since many users recommended that their email not be shown on their members page, I added a field to toggle this on/off. By default it's off, so you must go in and switch it to on in your profile. I tested it, but I'm sure I fat fingered something so please let me know if you run into problems or errors. > > > > So please continue to enter your real email address because it allows me to validate your entry. (This means you Greg!) > > What was wrong with my idea of > s/@/ at / > s/\./ dot /g > when you display it? OK. I added the option "Converted" to have your email converted before it is displayed. From sos at zjod.net Sun Nov 11 15:29:38 2001 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Avoiding spam... some techniques that work. Message-ID: <200111112103.fABL3Pm25100@zjod.net> Awash in spam? Assuming that you're running Linux (or some other U*nx-type system) there are things you can do about it. I've written up some defensive moves you can put on spammers: http://www.zjod.net/sos/spam.html Hope this helps, -S From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Sun Nov 11 16:30:53 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail notification programs In-Reply-To: <20011111071845.A5565@slava.net> References: <20011110193730.A753@slava.net> <20011111104244.A20289@gordo.space.umn.edu> <20011111071845.A5565@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011111154344.A19212@baker.space.umn.edu> On Sun, Nov 11, 2001 at 07:18:45AM -0600, Lorry Lee Strother wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 11, 2001 at 10:42:44AM -0600, Jim Crumley typed: > > > > Anyway, are you sure that your config is getting read? > > > > No. It doesn't do anything I said in my config file, that's the problem. > When I run wmbiff I even explicitly state to use my config file (even though > I shouldn't have to) by running wmbiff -c ./.wmbiffrc and still it does not > work. I don't know if wmmail has a similar command; I couldn't find one. > My config file for wmmail says to check my popmail every 5 minutes, beep if > there is new mail, and start mutt if I click on it. None of those things happen > so, no I don't think it is reading the config. My wmbiff config file says > basically the same thing, and I know it is not getting read because it lists my > mailbox as "spool". Since wmmail doesn't put a label on my mailbox, I don't > know if it's working or not until I wait 10 minutes and nothing's happened even > if I know for sure there is mail in my box. Making the file (I don't think) > is not the problem. I just edited the sample one so it should work. I've > tried putting it in various directories, since the man page does NOT ever tell > you where to put it, or even what to name it. I read it five times and I > couldn't believe none of that was mentioned anywhere. It didn't even say some > vague thing like "do the usual thing" like I have seen some ultra-useful pages > say. So I don't know what else I have to do to get it to work. OK, you're using Debian, right? If you are using testing or unstable than I think the following is corect - it may be a bit off for stable. I'm pretty sure that your config file for wmmail should be placed at ~/GNUstep/Defaults/WMMail. To test and make sure the file is being read, put a blank file there and start-up wmmail from an xterm. It should crash and give you some nice error messages. If it doesn't crash, let us know what version of Debian and wmmail you are using. If if does crash, put you "real" wmmail config in the location above, and see what happens. Also, you might want to take a look under /usr/share/doc/wmmail - the info there seems more useful than the man page. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Cookies are tasty! |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://faircopyright.org/ From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Sun Nov 11 16:32:39 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail notification programs In-Reply-To: <20011111071845.A5565@slava.net> References: <20011110193730.A753@slava.net> <20011111104244.A20289@gordo.space.umn.edu> <20011111071845.A5565@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011111154344.A19212@baker.space.umn.edu> On Sun, Nov 11, 2001 at 07:18:45AM -0600, Lorry Lee Strother wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 11, 2001 at 10:42:44AM -0600, Jim Crumley typed: > > > > Anyway, are you sure that your config is getting read? > > > > No. It doesn't do anything I said in my config file, that's the problem. > When I run wmbiff I even explicitly state to use my config file (even though > I shouldn't have to) by running wmbiff -c ./.wmbiffrc and still it does not > work. I don't know if wmmail has a similar command; I couldn't find one. > My config file for wmmail says to check my popmail every 5 minutes, beep if > there is new mail, and start mutt if I click on it. None of those things happen > so, no I don't think it is reading the config. My wmbiff config file says > basically the same thing, and I know it is not getting read because it lists my > mailbox as "spool". Since wmmail doesn't put a label on my mailbox, I don't > know if it's working or not until I wait 10 minutes and nothing's happened even > if I know for sure there is mail in my box. Making the file (I don't think) > is not the problem. I just edited the sample one so it should work. I've > tried putting it in various directories, since the man page does NOT ever tell > you where to put it, or even what to name it. I read it five times and I > couldn't believe none of that was mentioned anywhere. It didn't even say some > vague thing like "do the usual thing" like I have seen some ultra-useful pages > say. So I don't know what else I have to do to get it to work. OK, you're using Debian, right? If you are using testing or unstable than I think the following is corect - it may be a bit off for stable. I'm pretty sure that your config file for wmmail should be placed at ~/GNUstep/Defaults/WMMail. To test and make sure the file is being read, put a blank file there and start-up wmmail from an xterm. It should crash and give you some nice error messages. If it doesn't crash, let us know what version of Debian and wmmail you are using. If if does crash, put you "real" wmmail config in the location above, and see what happens. Also, you might want to take a look under /usr/share/doc/wmmail - the info there seems more useful than the man page. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Cookies are tasty! |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://faircopyright.org/ From peter-clark at tides.com Sun Nov 11 16:35:53 2001 From: peter-clark at tides.com (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Christmas present Message-ID: <200111112152.fABLq0n96884@pimout4-int.prodigy.net> My wife is hinting in no uncertain terms that she wants "The Sims" for a Christmas present. We had borrowed this game earlier in the year and she was quickly addicted to it. I've been gradually introducing her to Linux, and this could be the means of getting her to accept the penguin. A quick Google search, however, didn't reveal if "The Sims" works under Wine. Transgaming, in conjunction with Mandrake, have a version that works under their WineX, but it costs $70 and comes complete with Mandrake. I just want the game--don't make me leave Debian! Are there any plans for "The Sims" to be released independently, or will the Win version work under Wine? TIA, :Peter From alcyone at slava.net Sun Nov 11 17:45:26 2001 From: alcyone at slava.net (Lorry Lee Strother) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail notification programs In-Reply-To: <20011111154344.A19212@baker.space.umn.edu> References: <20011110193730.A753@slava.net> <20011111104244.A20289@gordo.space.umn.edu> <20011111071845.A5565@slava.net> <20011111154344.A19212@baker.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011111110304.A5897@slava.net> On Sun, Nov 11, 2001 at 03:43:44PM -0600, Jim Crumley typed: > > OK, you're using Debian, right? Yes, I'm using unstable. > I'm pretty sure that your config file for wmmail > should be placed at ~/GNUstep/Defaults/WMMail. Hmm this directory did not exist, but I just made it. > To test and make > sure the file is being read, put a blank file there and start-up > wmmail from an xterm. It should crash and give you some nice > error messages. Crash, yes. Nice error messages? Here is what I'm getting. In case all the characters don't show up correctly for you, the \xf0 is one of those Old English or Old Norse characters that makes a th sound and looks like a d with a cross through it, and \x89 is a dotted rectangle. I wouldn't want you to miss out on the full effect. :) alcyone@aldeberan:~/GNUstep$ wmmail & [1] 5909 alcyone@aldeberan:~/GNUstep$ wmmail: defaults domain ??)@??)@cyone/GNUstep/Defaults/WMMail corrupted > If if does crash, put you "real" wmmail config in the location > above, and see what happens. Same as above. > Also, you might want to take a look > under /usr/share/doc/wmmail - the info there seems more useful > than the man page. Only slightly. It does mention where to put the .wmmail file and the dir you gave it on the list of acceptable locations. I'll stick on my config and maybe you can find some really obvious and glaring error that my eyes just don't want me to see. Thanks! Lorry -------------- next part -------------- { DisableBeep = No; DoubleClickTime = 250; DisplayMessageCount = None; DisplayColor = "#FFFFFF"; DisplayFont = "-*-helvetica-medium-r-*-*-10-*-*-*-*-*-*-*"; DisplayLocation = (0, 10); ExecuteOnClick = "xterm -e mutt"; Animations = { Empty = { Delay = 10; Frames = ("/usr/lib/GNUstep/Apps/WMMail.app/Anims/NeXT/Mail1.xpm"); }; Old = { Delay = 10; Frames = ("/usr/lib/GNUstep/Apps/WMMail.app/Anims/NeXT/Mail3.xpm"); }; New = { Delay = 2; Frames = ( "/usr/lib/GNUstep/Apps/WMMail.app/Anims/NeXT/Mail1.xpm", "/usr/lib/GNUstep/Apps/WMMail.app/Anims/NeXT/Mail2.xpm", "/usr/lib/GNUstep/Apps/WMMail.app/Anims/NeXT/Mail3.xpm", "/usr/lib/GNUstep/Apps/WMMail.app/Anims/NeXT/Mail2.xpm" ); }; }; Mailboxes = ( { Name = "slava"; Type = pop3; UpdateInterval = 5; Options = { hostname = "s3.quintessential.com"; username = "alcyone%slava.net"; password = "*****************"; }; } ); } From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Sun Nov 11 18:43:03 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail notification programs In-Reply-To: <20011111110304.A5897@slava.net> References: <20011110193730.A753@slava.net> <20011111104244.A20289@gordo.space.umn.edu> <20011111071845.A5565@slava.net> <20011111154344.A19212@baker.space.umn.edu> <20011111110304.A5897@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011111182026.A20359@baker.space.umn.edu> On Sun, Nov 11, 2001 at 11:03:04AM -0600, Lorry Lee Strother wrote: > On Sun, Nov 11, 2001 at 03:43:44PM -0600, Jim Crumley typed: > > Crash, yes. Nice error messages? Here is what I'm getting. In case all the > characters don't show up correctly for you, the \xf0 is one of those Old > English or Old Norse characters that makes a th sound and looks like a d with > a cross through it, and \x89 is a dotted rectangle. I wouldn't want you to > miss out on the full effect. :) Ok, I just tried it with the file you sent. I got: isaac:~> wmmail: mailbox "slava" missing one of the options "Username", "Password", and "Hostname"; ignored wmmail: no functional mailbox left to monitor So I looked at your file and changed the first letter of hostname, username, and password to uppercase. > Hostname = "s3.quintessential.com"; > Username = "alcyone%slava.net"; > Password = "*****************"; And then I got: isaac:~> wmmail: login failed for mailbox "slava"; ignored wmmail: no functional mailbox left to monitor This seems like its working OK, except that it can't login because the password that I have is all *s. So give that a try and see what happens. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Cookies are tasty! |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://faircopyright.org/ From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Sun Nov 11 18:44:45 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail notification programs In-Reply-To: <20011111110304.A5897@slava.net> References: <20011110193730.A753@slava.net> <20011111104244.A20289@gordo.space.umn.edu> <20011111071845.A5565@slava.net> <20011111154344.A19212@baker.space.umn.edu> <20011111110304.A5897@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011111182026.A20359@baker.space.umn.edu> On Sun, Nov 11, 2001 at 11:03:04AM -0600, Lorry Lee Strother wrote: > On Sun, Nov 11, 2001 at 03:43:44PM -0600, Jim Crumley typed: > > Crash, yes. Nice error messages? Here is what I'm getting. In case all the > characters don't show up correctly for you, the \xf0 is one of those Old > English or Old Norse characters that makes a th sound and looks like a d with > a cross through it, and \x89 is a dotted rectangle. I wouldn't want you to > miss out on the full effect. :) Ok, I just tried it with the file you sent. I got: isaac:~> wmmail: mailbox "slava" missing one of the options "Username", "Password", and "Hostname"; ignored wmmail: no functional mailbox left to monitor So I looked at your file and changed the first letter of hostname, username, and password to uppercase. > Hostname = "s3.quintessential.com"; > Username = "alcyone%slava.net"; > Password = "*****************"; And then I got: isaac:~> wmmail: login failed for mailbox "slava"; ignored wmmail: no functional mailbox left to monitor This seems like its working OK, except that it can't login because the password that I have is all *s. So give that a try and see what happens. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Cookies are tasty! |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://faircopyright.org/ From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sun Nov 11 19:33:27 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Christmas present In-Reply-To: <200111112152.fABLq0n96884@pimout4-int.prodigy.net> Message-ID: Just yesterday I tried installing the Sims using wineHQs CVS and transgamings CVS; niether worked to install The Sims.... -munir On Sun, 11 Nov 2001, Peter Clark wrote: > My wife is hinting in no uncertain terms that she wants "The Sims" for a > Christmas present. We had borrowed this game earlier in the year and she was > quickly addicted to it. I've been gradually introducing her to Linux, and > this could be the means of getting her to accept the penguin. > A quick Google search, however, didn't reveal if "The Sims" works under > Wine. Transgaming, in conjunction with Mandrake, have a version that works > under their WineX, but it costs $70 and comes complete with Mandrake. I just > want the game--don't make me leave Debian! Are there any plans for "The Sims" > to be released independently, or will the Win version work under Wine? > TIA, > :Peter > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- From jacque at fruitioninc.com Sun Nov 11 20:54:30 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] starting over :( In-Reply-To: <3BDF39E7.1010104@slava.net> Message-ID: > > If you have another computer in the house you could get on the > IRC channel. > > > > -Tim > Speaking of the IRC channel. I don't know what I'm doing wrong, I can't seem to get connected to irc.openprojects.net. Do I need a group number or something? I can connect to random servers with no problem, but I'm also an IRC newbie. Any suggestions would be appreciated. ~j From phil at rephil.org Sun Nov 11 21:58:34 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (phil@rephil.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Off topic: U of M CSCI question In-Reply-To: <20011110131056.E9837@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 01:11:01PM -0600 References: <20011110032155.F11918@real-time.com> <1005403001.5099.0.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> <20011110131056.E9837@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011111204900.A22787@rephil.org> Hi, I know there's quite a few CS folks at the U in the LUG/reading the list. If I asked a specific question on how difficult (time consuming) two classes in the dept. are, would any of you be willing to offer your experience? I'm doing Math with specialty in Computer, so I don't know how the CSCI dept works too well. It would suit me in the big picture to have a schedule of 20 credits next spring, but I don't want to underestimate the demands of the CSCI classes. In particular, I want to know about CSCI 2011 (Discrete Structures) and SCSI 4041 (Algorithms and Data Structures.) I've done MATH 5705 (Enumerative Combinatorics), so don't figure 2011 to be very hard by comparison. Is that arrogant? What are the topics you consider hardest in the class? Same for 4041 -- how time consuming and what are the hard topics. Feel free to email me off list at phil@rephil.org if this seems too un-Linux related for the list. Thanks! From thomas at stderr.net Sun Nov 11 22:02:13 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] starting over :( In-Reply-To: ; from jacque@fruitioninc.com on Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 01:19:06AM -0600 References: <3BDF39E7.1010104@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011112040954.E37383@io.stderr.net> On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 01:19:06AM -0600, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > > > > If you have another computer in the house you could get on the > > IRC channel. > > > > > > -Tim > > > Speaking of the IRC channel. I don't know what I'm doing wrong, I can't seem > to get connected to irc.openprojects.net. Do I need a group number or > something? I can connect to random servers with no problem, but I'm also an > IRC newbie. > Any suggestions would be appreciated. /server irc.openprojects.net should work in any irc client and then: /join #tclug -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From tim at tneu.visi.com Sun Nov 11 22:03:35 2001 From: tim at tneu.visi.com (Tim Neu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fall Cleaning - Free Junk! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just about everyone has asked about the Abit stuff, and yes, someone has already volunteered to take it off my hands. There is one item I forgot to mention in my list, a 21" monitor. It's a fixed frequency - so it may not be easy to get it to work with all PCs, although in theory a video card that can output composite video signals should be able to use it with X. If someone is insterested, I can get more details. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- All of the problems associated with Intellectual property can easily be resolved by keeping those who believe in it on a strict diet of Intellectual bread and water. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ______ _ __ "If you don't have the freedom to use what you / ' ) ) own - then you do not own anything." / o ______ / / _ . . No apologies to Jack Valenti or the MPAA / <_/ / / < / (_ References: <20011110193730.A753@slava.net> <20011111104244.A20289@gordo.space.umn.edu> <20011111071845.A5565@slava.net> <20011111154344.A19212@baker.space.umn.edu> <20011111110304.A5897@slava.net> <20011111182026.A20359@baker.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011111211833.A6864@slava.net> Why do I get your messages twice? You are CC'ing to "alcyone@baker.space.umn.edu" which to my knowledge is not my email address. Is that what it's coming up as?? :/ Lorry On Sun, Nov 11, 2001 at 06:20:26PM -0600, Jim Crumley typed: > > Ok, I just tried it with the file you sent. I got: > > isaac:~> wmmail: mailbox "slava" missing one of the options > "Username", "Password", and "Hostname"; ignored > wmmail: no functional mailbox left to monitor > > So I looked at your file and changed the first letter of > hostname, username, and password to uppercase. > From alcyone at slava.net Sun Nov 11 22:06:35 2001 From: alcyone at slava.net (Lorry Lee Strother) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail notification programs In-Reply-To: <20011111182026.A20359@baker.space.umn.edu> References: <20011110193730.A753@slava.net> <20011111104244.A20289@gordo.space.umn.edu> <20011111071845.A5565@slava.net> <20011111154344.A19212@baker.space.umn.edu> <20011111110304.A5897@slava.net> <20011111182026.A20359@baker.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011111212037.A6909@slava.net> On Sun, Nov 11, 2001 at 06:20:26PM -0600, Jim Crumley typed: > > This seems like its working OK, except that it can't login > because the password that I have is all *s. So give that a try > and see what happens. > I just tried this and it gave me the same error message as before. Lorry From tanner at real-time.com Sun Nov 11 22:09:57 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LILO prob: Map segment is too big In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Sun, Nov 11, 2001 at 11:53:08AM -0600 References: <20011111030540.O32713@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011111212547.L11905@real-time.com> Quoting Yaron (jethro@freakzilla.com): > > GRUB fixes this problem. Probably not the answer you want to hear, but it's > > an answer. > > *LOL* The only one I got, too, so I'll take it. How do you install grub? I had the problem you described with a 7.0 box, I upgraded from 7.0 to 7.2 and GRUB is the default bootloader. I'm not sure how to install GRUB without doing an upgrade. I know Amy has been working with GRUB a good deal, let me cc: her and she if she knows. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From seg at haxxed.mine.nu Sun Nov 11 22:14:46 2001 From: seg at haxxed.mine.nu (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Turbo MO drive Message-ID: <3BEF4567.1070901@haxxed.mine.nu> So anyone want my TurboMO drive for $200 or so? From molivier1 at excite.com Sun Nov 11 23:06:24 2001 From: molivier1 at excite.com (Marc Olivier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SuSE 7.3 problem and CUPS Message-ID: <2787671.1005538894538.JavaMail.imail@squealer.excite.com> I will attempt to give that a try, thanks. _______________________________________________________ http://inbox.excite.com From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sun Nov 11 23:11:35 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Turbo MO drive In-Reply-To: <3BEF4567.1070901@haxxed.mine.nu> References: <3BEF4567.1070901@haxxed.mine.nu> Message-ID: <20011111223817.K6681@ringworld.org> * Callum Lerwick [011111 22:16]: > So anyone want my TurboMO drive for $200 or so? I just bought a comparable for under $50 on ebay. BTW. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Just say NO to Product Activation! From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Nov 12 00:11:48 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Turbo MO drive In-Reply-To: <20011111223817.K6681@ringworld.org> Message-ID: Hi, On Sun, 11 Nov 2001, Scott Dier wrote: > > So anyone want my TurboMO drive for $200 or so? > I just bought a comparable for under $50 on ebay. BTW. I've been trying to trade my MO for ages, no takers (: -Yaron -- From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Nov 12 00:14:54 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] southbridge hosed? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE13E@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Ok, I got my nice new shiny equipment, and I hooked it all up, tried installing Mandrake and it locks up at various places, always during heavy disk activity (booting, or copying files). I lowered the FSB to 100Mhz, and that allowed me to get through the install after a couple of tries and I finally got Mandrake installed. BTW, this is a Soyo Dragon Plus which has the KT266A and the VT8233ce southbridge on it with an Athlon 1700+ and Micron PC2100 CAS 2 memory (2 256 MB sticks). Anyway, after running the bonnie disk benchmarking utility, the machine locks up during the test. Occasionally, /var/log/messages will get several hundred lines of binary data in it when it locks. I've also tried installing FreeBSD and Windows 2000, and it locks with both of those also. I've removed all of my extra peripherals except for my video card, disabled all onboard stuff, changed every cable, changed the power supply, changed the drive, tried each stick of RAM individually (small chance of BOTH sticks being bad), and the only piece of hardware I haven't changed is the motherboard and CPU. I've also tried booting from the onboard Promise IDE RAID Bus, and it still locks up. It only locks during heavy disk activity, but the problem doesn't happen as often if I run at 1100Mhz instead of the default 1466Mhz. I've even used the failsafe settings in the BIOS which give "safe" settings to everything, and downgraded to the previous BIOS version. I've also tried using the board outside of the machine just in case it was shorting against the chassis somewhere. Is there something I'm overlooking here? Or do I have a bad board? A friend of mine has the same setup except with Corsair memory and his works fine. I'm going to try his memory tomorrow, and maybe his CPU. I have another board on its way from mwave.com (their customer service is damn good, very painless RMA). I can't say the same for Tran Micro about my memory though. I was told that if I tried my friend's memory and it works, that Tran would only exchange my memory for more Micron or sell me registered Infineon 512MB sticks for double the price, and if it didn't work with my system, too bad because it works with everything they sell. I don't think I'll be buying memory from Tran anymore. Jay From molivier1 at excite.com Mon Nov 12 00:19:43 2001 From: molivier1 at excite.com (Marc Olivier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: RE: SuSE 7.3 Problem Message-ID: <2647950.1005544427709.JavaMail.imail@squealer.excite.com> Jack: Thanks for the info on CUPS, it works just like you said. I now have printer, modem and I think the network card. I now need to find a driver for the Sis onboard sound card. The driver included wth the OS doesn't work. Also, what is the best reading progression for getting the network up and running with a Windows networked machine (what I mean to say is, what should I read first)? Again, thanks, Jack, and to the rest of you who responded. Marc _______________________________________________________ http://inbox.excite.com From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Nov 12 00:21:06 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Off topic: U of M CSCI question Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE13F@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> I think they must have changed the numbering scheme since I went there. It all depends on who your instructor for the class is, how well he teaches, and the amount of work he gives you. I've failed more than one CS class (typically because I took on too much work), and I've had different teachers for the same class and it totally depends on the teacher. I think it was Algorithms and Data Structures that I took twice. The first time, I had a teacher that I couldn't understand (I forget his name, but he was German and studied at the university of Jerusalem, so he had the worst accent I've ever heard), and his specialty was applying CS to Mathematics. Most of the people in the class didn't have their second quarter of Calc yet and it wasn't listed as a prereq, but those people who didn't failed miserably, and the other 90% of the class failed also because they couldn't understand a damn thing the teacher said. The second time I took it, I ended up with a teacher that spoke excellent english, and didn't have the unreal expectation that everyone in the class learn multivariable calc in a week, and I passed with an A with about 1/3 of the work. Find out who the teacher is and take a look at message boards. There are some professor review sites out there that are quite useful in finding out what a teacher is like. Last I heard, that particular professor is now "research only". Too many bad reviews from students finally got someone's attention. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: phil@rephil.org [mailto:phil@rephil.org] > Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 8:49 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Off topic: U of M CSCI question > > > Hi, > > I know there's quite a few CS folks at the U in the LUG/reading the > list. If I asked a specific question on how difficult (time > consuming) two classes in the dept. are, would any of you be willing > to offer your experience? > > I'm doing Math with specialty in Computer, so I don't know how the > CSCI dept works too well. It would suit me in the big picture to have > a schedule of 20 credits next spring, but I don't want to > underestimate the demands of the CSCI classes. > > In particular, I want to know about CSCI 2011 (Discrete Structures) > and SCSI 4041 (Algorithms and Data Structures.) > > I've done MATH 5705 (Enumerative Combinatorics), so don't figure 2011 > to be very hard by comparison. Is that arrogant? What are the topics > you consider hardest in the class? > > Same for 4041 -- how time consuming and what are the hard topics. > > Feel free to email me off list at phil@rephil.org if this seems too > un-Linux related for the list. > > Thanks! > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jacque at fruitioninc.com Mon Nov 12 01:21:16 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] starting over :( In-Reply-To: <20011112040954.E37383@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: ahhh thanks much! ~j > /server irc.openprojects.net > > should work in any irc client > and then: > > /join #tclug > > -- > Thomas Eibner DnsZone > mod_pointer > From doug at northlandstudios.com Mon Nov 12 01:22:47 2001 From: doug at northlandstudios.com (Doug) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] southbridge hosed? In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE13E@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: If you tried all that stuff, then it sounds to me like the controller on the mobo is bad... And yeah tran micro sucks, I don't know anybody that has had good luck with them. However General nanosystems is only about a block away and they have much better prices as well as being more customer service friendly...at least in my experience. Doug -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Austad, Jay Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 11:43 PM To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' Subject: [TCLUG] southbridge hosed? Ok, I got my nice new shiny equipment, and I hooked it all up, tried installing Mandrake and it locks up at various places, always during heavy disk activity (booting, or copying files). I lowered the FSB to 100Mhz, and that allowed me to get through the install after a couple of tries and I finally got Mandrake installed. BTW, this is a Soyo Dragon Plus which has the KT266A and the VT8233ce southbridge on it with an Athlon 1700+ and Micron PC2100 CAS 2 memory (2 256 MB sticks). Anyway, after running the bonnie disk benchmarking utility, the machine locks up during the test. Occasionally, /var/log/messages will get several hundred lines of binary data in it when it locks. I've also tried installing FreeBSD and Windows 2000, and it locks with both of those also. I've removed all of my extra peripherals except for my video card, disabled all onboard stuff, changed every cable, changed the power supply, changed the drive, tried each stick of RAM individually (small chance of BOTH sticks being bad), and the only piece of hardware I haven't changed is the motherboard and CPU. I've also tried booting from the onboard Promise IDE RAID Bus, and it still locks up. It only locks during heavy disk activity, but the problem doesn't happen as often if I run at 1100Mhz instead of the default 1466Mhz. I've even used the failsafe settings in the BIOS which give "safe" settings to everything, and downgraded to the previous BIOS version. I've also tried using the board outside of the machine just in case it was shorting against the chassis somewhere. Is there something I'm overlooking here? Or do I have a bad board? A friend of mine has the same setup except with Corsair memory and his works fine. I'm going to try his memory tomorrow, and maybe his CPU. I have another board on its way from mwave.com (their customer service is damn good, very painless RMA). I can't say the same for Tran Micro about my memory though. I was told that if I tried my friend's memory and it works, that Tran would only exchange my memory for more Micron or sell me registered Infineon 512MB sticks for double the price, and if it didn't work with my system, too bad because it works with everything they sell. I don't think I'll be buying memory from Tran anymore. Jay _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Mon Nov 12 02:21:47 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:37 2005 Subject: TCLUG IRC was Re: [TCLUG] starting over :( In-Reply-To: <20011112040954.E37383@io.stderr.net>; from thomas@stderr.net on Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 04:09:54AM +0100 References: <3BDF39E7.1010104@slava.net> <20011112040954.E37383@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20011112012822.N5442@real-time.com> Quoting Thomas Eibner (thomas@stderr.net): > /server irc.openprojects.net > > should work in any irc client > and then: > > /join #tclug Anyone want to post some xchat, bitchx, etc login scripts to help people out? -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net Mon Nov 12 02:32:06 2001 From: markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:37 2005 Subject: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Advocacy (was Re: (was ...))) References: <004d01c1686c$a657c090$3028680a@tgt.com> <006d01c168bd$8b7cbcc0$1e02a8c0@zippy> <20011108210211.D10825@sherohman.org> <20011109050240.G25687@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <00b401c16b4f$5f5cf300$1e02a8c0@zippy> I *just* got my first web page filled with data from a MySQL table. There was a connection through MySQL, PERL, Apache and a browser. It's still amazes me how a few lines of text on the screen can put me in such a good mood :-) Much thanks for all the advise and sample code. Some random notes to other clueless newbies (like myself) 1) Ya gotta use CPAN to get the perl MySQL-DBI modules installed. Period. The machine I am developing on has no LAN connection so I screwed around downloading the tars and burning them on CD so I could move them to the laptop. I could not work out how to install them into perl; a complete waste of time! After I rigged up a dialup (another adventure) I had the DBI stuff loaded in minutes. 2) I had the most troubles with the connect string. 2a) The localhost name thing screwed me up bigtime. 2b) The database user and password items are another minefield. They are not necessarily the same as your OS user and login name. MySQL has it's own user and password control. 3) I has to comment the "use strict" out to get rid of the compile errors in the Apache error log. Still don't know why the "strict" thing is so picky. Do you have to declare vars in perl under "strict" rules? 4) The Apache error log is your best friend in sorting why the stuff is not working. Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Eibner" To: Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 10:02 PM Subject: Re: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Advocacy (was Re: (was ...))) On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 09:02:11PM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > #!/usr/bin/perl -wT > > use strict; > use DBI; > > my $dbh = DBI->connect("dbi:Pg:host=SERVERNAME;dbname=DBNAME", > "DBUSER", "DBPASSWORD") > || die "Failed to connect: $!\n"; $! doesn't return the real error here. use $DBI::errstr, DBI->errstr or whatever style you like to call it with. (You can test this with suplying PrintError => 0 to the attributes of the connect call. Your version will just write: Died at $0 line __LINE__ > my $qry = $dbh->prepare("select * from some_table"); > $qry->execute; I'm just being pedantic here..sorry ;) I'd rather have newcomers to DBI use the common (almost standard) name of $sth instead of $qry. (Just for mantainability and when another programmer has to look at the code.) I realize it's getting a bit off-topic now. > while (my @row = $qry->fetchrow_array) { > print @row; > } > > $dbh->do("delete from some_table"); -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Mon Nov 12 04:53:50 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:37 2005 Subject: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Advocacy (was Re: (was ...))) In-Reply-To: <00b401c16b4f$5f5cf300$1e02a8c0@zippy>; from markbrowne@mn.mediaone.net on Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 01:55:13AM -0600 References: <004d01c1686c$a657c090$3028680a@tgt.com> <006d01c168bd$8b7cbcc0$1e02a8c0@zippy> <20011108210211.D10825@sherohman.org> <20011109050240.G25687@io.stderr.net> <00b401c16b4f$5f5cf300$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: <20011112042816.B968@beaver.iucha.org> On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 01:55:13AM -0600, Mark Browne wrote: > 3) I has to comment the "use strict" out to get rid of the compile errors in > the Apache error log. > Still don't know why the "strict" thing is so picky. > Do you have to declare vars in perl under "strict" rules? Yes, you have to declare them. And you should turn "strict" back on and try to fix all the problems. Otherwise they will bite you sooner or later. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I tested it, but I'm sure I fat fingered something so please let me know if you run into problems or errors. > > So please continue to enter your real email address because it allows me to validate your entry. (This means you Greg!) > > -- Clay > > On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, Yaron wrote: > > > Hey, > > > > On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > > > The TCLUG finally has a members page. So take a minute and register and tell us a little bit about yourself. > > > > Frankly I don't like putting my real Email address on a website. I tried > > faking it (jethro(a)freakzilla.com) but it yelled at me. > > > > -Yaron > > > > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Nov 12 08:47:37 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:37 2005 Subject: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Advocacy (was Re: (was ...))) In-Reply-To: <00b401c16b4f$5f5cf300$1e02a8c0@zippy> References: <004d01c1686c$a657c090$3028680a@tgt.com> <006d01c168bd$8b7cbcc0$1e02a8c0@zippy> <20011108210211.D10825@sherohman.org> <20011109050240.G25687@io.stderr.net> <00b401c16b4f$5f5cf300$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: <20011112080505.A1951@wookimus.net> On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 01:55:13AM -0600, Mark Browne wrote: > I *just* got my first web page filled with data from a MySQL table. > There was a connection through MySQL, PERL, Apache and a browser. > It's still amazes me how a few lines of text on the screen > can put me in such a good mood :-) Gratzies > Some random notes to other clueless newbies (like myself) > 1) Ya gotta use CPAN to get the perl MySQL-DBI modules installed. > Period. Debian Package: libdbd-mysql-perl - mySQL database interface for Perl Installation process: bash# apt-get install libdbd-mysql-perl > 2) I had the most troubles with the connect string. > 2a) The localhost name thing screwed me up bigtime. > 2b) The database user and password items are another minefield. > They are not necessarily the same as your OS user and login name. > MySQL has it's own user and password control. Correct. Most databases do not use PAM authentication. PostgreSQL can restrict local users to using their UNIX usernames w/o a password, but largely, databases aren't intrinsically connected to UNIX accounts. This is a good thing, if you think about it. It would be nice for different authentification schemes to be used, and I believe there are some patches out there to allow it, but they're not mainstream in general. > 3) I has to comment the "use strict" out to get rid of the compile > errors in the Apache error log. Still don't know why the "strict" > thing is so picky. It's so you don't make mistakes. You've obviously made mistakes. ;-) If you correct them, you won't see the errors in the log files. ;-) > Do you have to declare vars in perl under "strict" rules? Um, yes! That's the whole idea of strict! > 4) The Apache error log is your best friend in sorting why the stuff is not > working. Yep. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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As far as the sound driver, I'm not sure. I have a motherboard with SiS Video/Sound but last year opted for a new video card and sound card. That said the only driver I ever found that worked with the onboard was the version of OSS that SuSE used to provide. As of 7.0 I don't think its included. Check the "pay" group under YaST's software loading. As far as networking with a Windows network, start with any How-To's on Samba. If you prefer a book on the subject there are several. The only one I own is an older one by John Blair. I'm sure others will have opinions on this as well. ;-) Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From Ben at WorksCited.Net Mon Nov 12 09:02:57 2001 From: Ben at WorksCited.Net (Ben Stallings) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A bit off... topic, that is In-Reply-To: <20011110032155.F11918@real-time.com> References: <20011110032155.F11918@real-time.com> Message-ID: <01111111345003.00703@Romana> On Saturday 10 November 2001 03:21, Bob Tanner wrote: > One of the problem with computers (but Linux and Windows, heck all other > OSs) is that they are simple things that people can "just plug in" and it > works. I blame MS for this. And frankly, it's not true. But should it be? I mean, in an ideal world, should artists and politicians and teachers and other non-techies have to learn to think like computers in order to get their work done, or should the computers be made to think like people? Is it good for society for all our artists and politicians and teachers and other non-techies to have to take time out of their workdays to attend training classes or puzzle over why Netscape won't print? At the end of the day, are they really better off for knowing the difference between TCP/IP and PPP, or how to kill a runaway process? Does that knowledge make them better artists, politicians, teachers, etc.? > I like to use the car analogy. It's pretty "simple". Almost everyone has > one. But how many people work on their cars? Not many. How many people have cars because they want to own a 1000-pound artifact, and how many just want the transportation the cars provide? If you could get from point A to point B in the same amount of time as with a car, and with no more cost and inconvenience than a car requires, but without actually owning a bomb on wheels with thousands of parts to break, would you still choose the bomb on wheels? (If you could watch any movie or TV show on request at minimal cost without owning a VCR, would you still choose to own a VCR? If your house got sufficient heat from the sun or the ground, would you still want a furnace?) It seems to me after 20 years of user support (I started in elementary school...) that most people -- and companies -- couldn't care less about owning computers. They don't want the hardware or software (or training); they don't even want a "low- to medium-complexity electronic appliance that always works" (Dave Sherman's words); they just want the services the hardware and software provide, and buying crap (and learning to think like a computer) is currently the simplest way to obtain the services. Besides, everyone else is doing it. I've become convinced that most users would not only prefer to have someone else fix their computers, they'd also prefer to have someone else make the buying decisions, take care of backups and upgrades, attend the training classes, and basically do ALL the computer stuff so that they can just think about their own jobs and interests. We geeks can scoff at that, but we want to drive without becoming mechanics, vote without learning politics, and eat without farming. I don't think Linux has a future on the desktop of the non-techie user because it's designed around the structure of the computer instead of the structure of the brain. It's an excellent framework for computing, but average users don't give a hoot about computing. To create computers that work well with humans, we need to start with psychology and work backward to electrical engineering, not the other way around. --Ben From dmblevins at mediaone.net Mon Nov 12 09:46:22 2001 From: dmblevins at mediaone.net (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] User admin scripts for Samba, et all. Message-ID: I just got Samba up and running on my new RH7.2 box. It configured it to use encrypted passwords and everything so I don't have to do that WinX registry hack to enable plain text passwords. Anyway, samba requires you to have a smbpasswd file. This is in addition to the systems passwd file. Now I have to update both when I add a user. Does anyone have any scripts for automating this that they would like to share? Also, I don't imagine this will be the last service I setup on my machine that will require its own passwd file. What approaches do you recommend for designing user administration scripts that update all the different passwd files. Basically, what are the do's and don'ts? Thanks, David From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Mon Nov 12 09:48:11 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail notification programs In-Reply-To: <20011111211833.A6864@slava.net> References: <20011110193730.A753@slava.net> <20011111104244.A20289@gordo.space.umn.edu> <20011111071845.A5565@slava.net> <20011111154344.A19212@baker.space.umn.edu> <20011111110304.A5897@slava.net> <20011111182026.A20359@baker.space.umn.edu> <20011111211833.A6864@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011112085228.B21172@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Sun, Nov 11, 2001 at 09:18:33PM -0600, Lorry Lee Strother wrote: > Why do I get your messages twice? > You are CC'ing to "alcyone@baker.space.umn.edu" which to my knowledge is not > my email address. Is that what it's coming up as?? :/ > Your mail headers are funny and I wasn't paying attention. Your messages have a mail header: Mail-Followup-To: alcyone, tclug-list@mn-linux.org My mailer expands the alcyone to alcyone@baker.space.umn.edu, which isn't a valid address, like you said. When I try to send the message, I got an error message, so I removed the alcyone address and resent. Unfortunately, the message already went through to the list the first time, so I sent doubles. Long story short, I think your muttrc still needs work ;) and I need to pay attention. Sorry about the doubles. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Cookies are tasty! |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://faircopyright.org/ From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Mon Nov 12 09:51:28 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] southbridge hosed? In-Reply-To: ; from doug@northlandstudios.com on Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 12:32:25AM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE13E@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011112090018.A26001@trammell.dyndns.org> On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 12:32:25AM -0600, Doug wrote: > If you tried all that stuff, then it sounds to me like the controller on the > mobo is bad... > > And yeah tran micro sucks, I don't know anybody that has had good luck with > them. However General nanosystems is only about a block away and they have > much better prices as well as being more customer service friendly...at > least in my experience. I've never had problems with Tran Micro. I got a fair share of the hardware for my last system there too. And a juicy new stick of RAM. :-) -- johntrammell@yahoo.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 240 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011112/ab7039db/attachment.pgp From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Mon Nov 12 09:52:52 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:38 2005 Subject: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Advocacy (was Re: (was ...))) In-Reply-To: <20011112080505.A1951@wookimus.net>; from chewie@wookimus.net on Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 08:05:05AM -0600 References: <004d01c1686c$a657c090$3028680a@tgt.com> <006d01c168bd$8b7cbcc0$1e02a8c0@zippy> <20011108210211.D10825@sherohman.org> <20011109050240.G25687@io.stderr.net> <00b401c16b4f$5f5cf300$1e02a8c0@zippy> <20011112080505.A1951@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20011112090435.A26047@trammell.dyndns.org> On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 08:05:05AM -0600, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 01:55:13AM -0600, Mark Browne wrote: [snip] > > 3) I has to comment the "use strict" out to get rid of the compile > > errors in the Apache error log. Still don't know why the "strict" > > thing is so picky. > > It's so you don't make mistakes. You've obviously made mistakes. ;-) > If you correct them, you won't see the errors in the log files. ;-) > Yeah, turning off "strict" is sort of like taking the batteries out of your fire alarm. "It kept going off -- I couldn't get any work done!" -- johntrammell@yahoo.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'd never heard of the man who's doing Algorithms so I can't help much there, and since I haven't taken any 4xxx and below courses I can't help on the content either. If you want I can ask some of the students I TA, since they've probably had these classes before. Lorry From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Mon Nov 12 10:01:05 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail notification programs In-Reply-To: <20011111212037.A6909@slava.net> References: <20011110193730.A753@slava.net> <20011111104244.A20289@gordo.space.umn.edu> <20011111071845.A5565@slava.net> <20011111154344.A19212@baker.space.umn.edu> <20011111110304.A5897@slava.net> <20011111182026.A20359@baker.space.umn.edu> <20011111212037.A6909@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011112091026.A21271@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Sun, Nov 11, 2001 at 09:20:37PM -0600, Lorry Lee Strother wrote: > On Sun, Nov 11, 2001 at 06:20:26PM -0600, Jim Crumley typed: > > > > This seems like its working OK, except that it can't login > > because the password that I have is all *s. So give that a try > > and see what happens. > > > > I just tried this and it gave me the same error message as before. That's strange. Well, here's something else to try. Try the moving your current WMMail file out of the way and replacing it with the minimal one I have below. Even though you get your email through pop, you should have a local file. Obviously replace "username" with your username. { Mailboxes = ( { Name = "home"; Type = mbox; UpdateInterval = 20; Options = { Path = "/var/spool/mail/username"; }; } ); } -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Cookies are tasty! |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://faircopyright.org/ From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Nov 12 10:07:28 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WindowsXP == Themed Gnome Message-ID: <20011112091629.B1951@wookimus.net> I was in CompUSA this weekend and checked out the laptops. Most of them had WindowsXP installed on them, so I fooled around on it a bit. Lo and behold, it looked just like a Gnome theme. It just proves one thing, Microsoft employees do not have a creative bone in their collective body. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011112/af28d331/attachment.pgp From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Nov 12 10:10:39 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IMPORTANT: Activated ORBZ In-Reply-To: <20011111054347.F11905@real-time.com> References: <20011111054347.F11905@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011112092754.D1951@wookimus.net> On Sun, Nov 11, 2001 at 05:43:47AM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > I just activated orbz, http://www.orbz.org, because spam is driving me > insane. It's only activated on the mailing list so, if there are any > problems you can still send mail to me directly. If you're using ORBZ, you may want to add visi.com to your whitelist. They're on ORBZ not as a direct open relay, rather as a two-stage open relay: visi.com's MX servers relay mail from certain trusted servers, which unfortunately accept email from large IP blocks. Not sure if VISI is going to do anything about it. A friend of mine has had problems sending email to me because of this very reason. If we have anyone on the list that uses a VISI account, consider sending your email directly using your own SMTP server, or using a trusted relay that's not on a blacklist somewhere. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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How do you install grub? > > I had the problem you described with a 7.0 box, I upgraded from 7.0 to 7.2 and > GRUB is the default bootloader. > > I'm not sure how to install GRUB without doing an upgrade. I know Amy has been > working with GRUB a good deal, let me cc: her and she if she knows. I have not installed grub by hand either - I've been working with it on a 7.2 kickstart I created. However, I found these URLs helpful: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ http://www-900.ibm.com/developerWorks/education/linux/l-grub_eng/l-grub/index.html ...the 2nd one walks you through installing it. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From thomas at stderr.net Mon Nov 12 10:46:04 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:38 2005 Subject: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Advocacy (was Re: (was ...))) In-Reply-To: <00b401c16b4f$5f5cf300$1e02a8c0@zippy>; from markbrowne@mn.mediaone.net on Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 01:55:13AM -0600 References: <004d01c1686c$a657c090$3028680a@tgt.com> <006d01c168bd$8b7cbcc0$1e02a8c0@zippy> <20011108210211.D10825@sherohman.org> <20011109050240.G25687@io.stderr.net> <00b401c16b4f$5f5cf300$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: <20011112164917.L37383@io.stderr.net> On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 01:55:13AM -0600, Mark Browne wrote: > I *just* got my first web page filled with data from a MySQL table. > There was a connection through MySQL, PERL, Apache and a browser. > It's still amazes me how a few lines of text on the screen > can put me in such a good mood :-) Congratulations! > Some random notes to other clueless newbies (like myself) > 1) Ya gotta use CPAN to get the perl MySQL-DBI modules installed. > Period. > The machine I am developing on has no LAN connection so I screwed around > downloading the tars and burning them on CD so I could move them to the > laptop. > I could not work out how to install them into perl; a complete waste of > time! > After I rigged up a dialup (another adventure) I had the DBI stuff loaded in > minutes. There are both RPM and .deb packages of the Mysql modules. > 2) I had the most troubles with the connect string. Did you look at the examples in perldoc DBD::mysql? they are all described there: $dsn = "DBI:$driver:database=$database;host=$hostname;port=$port"; All of the values have defaults, so you shouldn't have to fill out more than just database=. > 2a) The localhost name thing screwed me up bigtime. Understandable. If it can't get through the socket connection it tries on the network to localhost. > 2b) The database user and password items are another minefield. > They are not necessarily the same as your OS user and login name. > MySQL has it's own user and password control. Yeah, I use a homebrewn script to create users/databases with, so I don't need to remember how to do it every time I need it. You can download it from: http://stderr.net/mysql.txt > 3) I has to comment the "use strict" out to get rid of the compile errors in > the Apache error log. > Still don't know why the "strict" thing is so picky. > Do you have to declare vars in perl under "strict" rules? use strict; #!/usr/bin/perl -wT is your friend when writing cgi-scripts. > 4) The Apache error log is your best friend in sorting why the stuff is not > working. Indeed, but it can be cryptic sometimes. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From andy at theasis.com Mon Nov 12 10:49:26 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] User admin scripts for Samba, et all. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Also, I don't imagine this will be the last service I setup on my machine > that will require its own passwd file. What approaches do you recommend for > designing user administration scripts that update all the different passwd > files. Basically, what are the do's and don'ts? The reason they have a separate file is because it's bad policy (security-wise) to have the samba passwd = the system passwd. I believe that you can just not use the samba passwd if you want samba to use the system passwd file. At least this was possible in older versions I used. Andy > Thanks, > David > From natecars at real-time.com Mon Nov 12 10:50:51 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SGI's for the having.... In-Reply-To: <20011109155209.B23125@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > these fine folks actually donated one to TCLUG. I've got it sitting on my > desk here. have to say, it's pretty effing amazing for a machine built in > 1993/1994. boggles my mind that SGI had 150MHz machines at that time.... > > these things are just as nice as the Indys we were trying to get, a year or > two ago... lot nicer, actually. more memory, bigger monitor, more drive > space, faster processor. only part I don't like is you can't run Linux with FB support on these things, AFAIK.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From alcyone at slava.net Mon Nov 12 10:56:02 2001 From: alcyone at slava.net (Lorry Lee Strother) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail notification programs In-Reply-To: <20011112085228.B21172@gordo.space.umn.edu> References: <20011110193730.A753@slava.net> <20011111104244.A20289@gordo.space.umn.edu> <20011111071845.A5565@slava.net> <20011111154344.A19212@baker.space.umn.edu> <20011111110304.A5897@slava.net> <20011111182026.A20359@baker.space.umn.edu> <20011111211833.A6864@slava.net> <20011112085228.B21172@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011112101227.A404@slava.net> On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 08:52:28AM -0600, Jim Crumley typed: > > Long story short, I think your muttrc still needs work ;) and > I need to pay attention. > > Sorry about the doubles. > Ahhh beans! I thought I had it all done! Thanks for the explanation, and no big deal, I just thought it was wierd! Lorry From esper at sherohman.org Mon Nov 12 11:03:20 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:39 2005 Subject: Learning CGI Database Wizardry (Was Re: [TCLUG] PostgreSQL Advocacy (was Re: (was ...))) In-Reply-To: <20011112080505.A1951@wookimus.net>; from chewie@wookimus.net on Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 08:05:05AM -0600 References: <004d01c1686c$a657c090$3028680a@tgt.com> <006d01c168bd$8b7cbcc0$1e02a8c0@zippy> <20011108210211.D10825@sherohman.org> <20011109050240.G25687@io.stderr.net> <00b401c16b4f$5f5cf300$1e02a8c0@zippy> <20011112080505.A1951@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20011112101809.D9353@sherohman.org> On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 08:05:05AM -0600, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > > 1) Ya gotta use CPAN to get the perl MySQL-DBI modules installed. > > Period. > > Debian Package: > > libdbd-mysql-perl - mySQL database interface for Perl > > Installation process: > > bash# apt-get install libdbd-mysql-perl Or, without a network connection (since that's the reason the O.P. wasn't using CPAN in the first place), download the latest .deb from debian.org, put it on a floppy, and: bash# dpkg -i /floppy/libdbd-mysql-perl_1.2202-4.deb -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Mr. Slippery From phil at rephil.org Mon Nov 12 11:06:50 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (phil@rephil.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Off topic: U of M CSCI question In-Reply-To: <20011112090457.A279@slava.net>; from alcyone@slava.net on Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 09:04:57AM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE13F@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20011112090457.A279@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011112102302.A24602@rephil.org> On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 09:04:57AM -0600, Lorry Lee Strother wrote: > On Sun, Nov 11, 2001 at 11:54:24PM -0600, Austad, Jay typed: > > I think they must have changed the numbering scheme since I went there. It > > all depends on who your instructor for the class is, how well he teaches, > > I don't mean to start another nit-picking thread, but the prof for 2011 is > female next semester. :) What's her name? Schedule says Bobby Othmer. Is that a she? > I'd never heard of the man who's doing Algorithms so I can't help much there, > and since I haven't taken any 4xxx and below courses I can't help on the > content either. Carl Sturtivant, according to my sources, right? > If you want I can ask some of the students I TA, since they've probably had > these classes before. That'd be appreciated! Again, feel free to send off list if this raises anyones hackles. Cheers, Phil -- I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. From phil at rephil.org Mon Nov 12 11:10:29 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (phil@rephil.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WindowsXP == Themed Gnome In-Reply-To: <20011112091629.B1951@wookimus.net>; from chewie@wookimus.net on Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 09:16:29AM -0600 References: <20011112091629.B1951@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20011112102543.B24602@rephil.org> On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 09:16:29AM -0600, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > I was in CompUSA this weekend and checked out the laptops. Most of them > had WindowsXP installed on them, so I fooled around on it a bit. Lo and > behold, it looked just like a Gnome theme. It just proves one thing, > Microsoft employees do not have a creative bone in their collective > body. I think they do, but that's just one they devoured from somewhere else and is lodged somewhere in M$'s gizzard. Incidentally, if you watch "Tron," which I happened to do on DVD recently, the bad guy seems to be a role model for Mr. Gates. It would be very sad, and tres amusante to find that this had some bearing in reality. -- I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. From chrome at real-time.com Mon Nov 12 12:06:05 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FSF and the future of SourceForge Message-ID: <20011112112153.D16814@real-time.com> worth a read... they seem to be saying that SourceForge is becoming increasingly non-free, and VA Linux is setting some dangerous precedents in its treatment of Open Source code and developers. http://www.fsfeurope.org/news/article2001-10-20-01.en.html Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Nov 12 12:09:35 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ethernet wall jacks Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE141@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Where's the cheapest place to buy ethernet wall jacks? In town would be best, but online is fine too. Also, instead of running a big bundle of cat 6 up to my attic, can I just put a cross connect panel on each end and run a 100 pair in between? I don't think I have enough room to run as many separate cables as I would like. Where would I get a 100 pair cable? I know they make them, but short of ripping one out of the ceiling here at work, I don't know where to find them. Jay From thomas at stderr.net Mon Nov 12 13:19:48 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FSF and the future of SourceForge In-Reply-To: <20011112112153.D16814@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 11:21:53AM -0600 References: <20011112112153.D16814@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011112192041.N37383@io.stderr.net> On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 11:21:53AM -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > worth a read... they seem to be saying that SourceForge is becoming > increasingly non-free, and VA Linux is setting some dangerous precedents in > its treatment of Open Source code and developers. > > http://www.fsfeurope.org/news/article2001-10-20-01.en.html When VA pulls the plug on SF (not if in my beliefs), it is going to be a sad day for those people relying on sourceforge for their projects. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From alcyone at slava.net Mon Nov 12 13:28:12 2001 From: alcyone at slava.net (Lorry Lee Strother) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Off topic: U of M CSCI question In-Reply-To: <20011112102302.A24602@rephil.org> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE13F@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20011112090457.A279@slava.net> <20011112102302.A24602@rephil.org> Message-ID: <20011112123401.A250@slava.net> On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 10:23:02AM -0600, phil@rephil.org typed: > > What's her name? Schedule says Bobby Othmer. Is that a she? > It's Bobbie not Bobby. Definitely a she last time I saw her! > > Carl Sturtivant, according to my sources, right? > That's what I saw too. I looked at his webpage and I don't recognize the picture at all. Lorry From dmblevins at mediaone.net Mon Nov 12 13:37:39 2001 From: dmblevins at mediaone.net (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] User admin scripts for Samba, et all. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've read that too, the security part that is. My smbpasswd file only has two users in it, both are just ordinary user accounts -- definitely no root account. I see the benefit of having separate files and was wondering if anyone had any time-saving scripts for adding new (human) users to both files. Not to difficult to do, I just have never written any system admin style scripts and am not familiar with any of the do's, don'ts, or common practices. Like, do you keep them in root's home directory or does it depend on what the script is for, etc. Plus, I figure I'm not the only one who has ever wanted to automate admin tasks with scripts and that someone might have something interesting to share. Thanks, David > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of andy@theasis.com > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 10:52 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] User admin scripts for Samba, et all. > > > > Also, I don't imagine this will be the last service I setup on > my machine > > that will require its own passwd file. What approaches do you > recommend for > > designing user administration scripts that update all the > different passwd > > files. Basically, what are the do's and don'ts? > > The reason they have a separate file is because it's bad policy > (security-wise) to have the samba passwd = the system passwd. > > I believe that you can just not use the samba passwd if you want samba to > use the system passwd file. At least this was possible in older versions I > used. > > Andy > > > > Thanks, > > David > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Nov 12 14:41:11 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FSF and the future of SourceForge Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE142@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Hopefully someone can persuade IBM to take it over if something like that ever does happen. > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas Eibner [mailto:thomas@stderr.net] > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 12:21 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] FSF and the future of SourceForge > > > On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 11:21:53AM -0600, Carl Wilhelm > Soderstrom wrote: > > worth a read... they seem to be saying that SourceForge is becoming > > increasingly non-free, and VA Linux is setting some dangerous > > precedents in its treatment of Open Source code and developers. > > > > http://www.fsfeurope.org/news/article2001-10-20-01.en.html > > When VA pulls the plug on SF (not if in my beliefs), it is > going to be a sad day for those people relying on sourceforge > for their projects. > > -- > Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Nov 12 14:43:04 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ethernet wall jacks In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE141@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE141@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011112133859.F1951@wookimus.net> On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 11:33:42AM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > Where's the cheapest place to buy ethernet wall jacks? In town would > be best, but online is fine too. Cheapest? Not sure. Never went "shopping" for them. I just go to Home Depot. They sell the modular plugins. Perhaps a bit more than you want to spend, but they're nice quailty and very flexible. > Also, instead of running a big bundle of cat 6 up to my attic, can I > just put a cross connect panel on each end and run a 100 pair in > between? I don't think I have enough room to run as many separate > cables as I would like. Where would I get a 100 pair cable? I know > they make them, but short of ripping one out of the ceiling here at > work, I don't know where to find them. Look to telco providers for that kind of thing. Gr[ae]ybar might be able to help. If you're going to go that route, they would also have wall plates/jacks for you, as well as punchdowns and open/wall-mount racks. Remember to get your hands on a cable snake (similar to a plumber's snake). Why not consider going wireless if it's going to be that much of a hassle? By the time you get done working on this wired project, you could have invested you time in something a bit more worthwhile. Or, just wire up each room you need access from with one jack, then use a switch/hub from there to get more access points per room. I suppose the first question should have been, "Are you building a house?" In which case, run all the cable you need! Go crazy! Hell, I'd even run fiber, just to be insane! Anyway, enough blathering..time to get back to work. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Try the > moving your current WMMail file out of the way and replacing it > with the minimal one I have below. > Argh! Same error! This is very frustrating. :( Lorry From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Mon Nov 12 14:54:57 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] User admin scripts for Samba, et all. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Come to think of it, there an option in samba to sync with unix passwords, try adding something like to your smb.conf and see what happens: unix password sync = yes passwd program = /usr/bin/passwd -munir y On Mon, 12 Nov 2001, David Blevins wrote: > I've read that too, the security part that is. My smbpasswd file only has > two users in it, both are just ordinary user accounts -- definitely no root > account. > > I see the benefit of having separate files and was wondering if anyone had > any time-saving scripts for adding new (human) users to both files. Not to > difficult to do, I just have never written any system admin style scripts > and am not familiar with any of the do's, don'ts, or common practices. > Like, do you keep them in root's home directory or does it depend on what > the script is for, etc. > > Plus, I figure I'm not the only one who has ever wanted to automate admin > tasks with scripts and that someone might have something interesting to > share. > > Thanks, > David > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of andy@theasis.com > > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 10:52 AM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] User admin scripts for Samba, et all. > > > > > > > Also, I don't imagine this will be the last service I setup on > > my machine > > > that will require its own passwd file. What approaches do you > > recommend for > > > designing user administration scripts that update all the > > different passwd > > > files. Basically, what are the do's and don'ts? > > > > The reason they have a separate file is because it's bad policy > > (security-wise) to have the samba passwd = the system passwd. > > > > I believe that you can just not use the samba passwd if you want samba to > > use the system passwd file. At least this was possible in older versions I > > used. > > > > Andy > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > David > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- From mbutler2 at mmm.com Mon Nov 12 15:16:40 2001 From: mbutler2 at mmm.com (mbutler2@mmm.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SGI's for the having.... Message-ID: For those wondering: The Indigo2s do run an Open source OS, NetBSD ("...of course it runs NetBSD"), check it out here: http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/sgimips/ Pretty good from what I have seen, I've never done the install, I like my SGI's with IRIX, but I do plan to attempt this one sometime in the future. Later, mbutler From petre.scheie at nextelpartners.com Mon Nov 12 15:18:19 2001 From: petre.scheie at nextelpartners.com (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ethernet wall jacks In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE141@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE141@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011112.18564900@gromit.> The problem with a 100-pair cable is you'll get crosstalk between pairs. Those 100-pair bundles are usually used for telephone which doesn't care about a few lost bits here and there. If you're only running at 10Mbit or only a few pairs at a time, you might be okay. But if you try to do 100Mbit, you're probably going to have trouble. Perhaps what you could do is stick a switch up in the attic, with one line going to wherever you would put one end of the 100-pair bundle, and then run the line from each room up to the switch in the attic. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 11/12/01, 11:33:42 AM, "Austad, Jay" wrote regarding [TCLUG] Ethernet wall jacks: > Where's the cheapest place to buy ethernet wall jacks? In town would be > best, but online is fine too. > Also, instead of running a big bundle of cat 6 up to my attic, can I just > put a cross connect panel on each end and run a 100 pair in between? I > don't think I have enough room to run as many separate cables as I would > like. Where would I get a 100 pair cable? I know they make them, but short > of ripping one out of the ceiling here at work, I don't know where to find > them. > Jay > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Mon Nov 12 15:46:02 2001 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Yellow Tubers References: Message-ID: <3BF03902.1875ABE7@structural-wood.com> What are the yellow tubes or pipes that communications companies install underground? Do these contain some sort of media or are they simply conduit? Does the color indicate the function (like copper or fibre or ???). I'm up here on a little cul-de-sac in Vadnais Heights that just barely has phone service, and I've noticed the yellow tube trucks parked down the road aways... Thanks, Kent From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Mon Nov 12 15:49:29 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail notification programs In-Reply-To: <20011112134005.A390@slava.net> References: <20011110193730.A753@slava.net> <20011111104244.A20289@gordo.space.umn.edu> <20011111071845.A5565@slava.net> <20011111154344.A19212@baker.space.umn.edu> <20011111110304.A5897@slava.net> <20011111182026.A20359@baker.space.umn.edu> <20011111212037.A6909@slava.net> <20011112091026.A21271@gordo.space.umn.edu> <20011112134005.A390@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011112151453.A22905@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 01:40:05PM -0600, Lorry Lee Strother wrote: > On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 09:10:26AM -0600, Jim Crumley typed: > > > > That's strange. Well, here's something else to try. Try the > > moving your current WMMail file out of the way and replacing it > > with the minimal one I have below. > > > > Argh! Same error! And that same error was the weird stuff from a different character set, right? > This is very frustrating. :( Indeed. Well my last (?) idea is to remove wmmail and reinstall it. Make sure the reinstalled version is downloaded again in case it was corrupted during download or something funny. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Cookies are tasty! |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://faircopyright.org/ From mbutler2 at mmm.com Mon Nov 12 15:58:17 2001 From: mbutler2 at mmm.com (mbutler2@mmm.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SGI's for the having.... Message-ID: >Yeah but how well do they play Quake? >I'd love to get SDL and glQuake to compile on one of these... Please go check, there's some other stuff there as well: http://www.sgi.com/fun/freeware/games.html Later, mbutler From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Nov 12 16:24:03 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ethernet wall jacks In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE141@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE141@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011112152431.3d59df4d.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > Where's the cheapest place to buy ethernet wall jacks? In town would be > best, but online is fine too. > > Also, instead of running a big bundle of cat 6 up to my attic, can I just > put a cross connect panel on each end and run a 100 pair in between? Aren't you kind of contradicting yourself here? You probably don't want the cheapest wall jacks if you're running cat-6, and 100-pair cable would probably make a big mess when it comes to the integrity of data going over the network. If you want lots of bandwidth between all corners of the house, I'd probably suggest fiber -- at least for connecting several switches together, which then might branch off with copper. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ "Did you sleep well?" "No, / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ I made a couple of \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) mistakes." [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Nov 12 16:32:22 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ethernet wall jacks In-Reply-To: <20011112.18564900@gromit.> Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Nov 2001, Petre Scheie wrote: > The problem with a 100-pair cable is you'll get crosstalk between pairs. Cat5 and Cat6 do not exist in multi-pair configurations. Every rule of networking says you do not, under any circumstances, run multi-pair for networking. I believe the best you can buy is Cat3 certified, which will technically run 10 Mbit. Just run 50 Cat6 runs. You'll be better off in the end by far. -Brian From tanner at real-time.com Mon Nov 12 16:47:14 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IMPORTANT: Activated ORBZ In-Reply-To: <20011112092754.D1951@wookimus.net>; from chewie@wookimus.net on Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 09:27:54AM -0600 References: <20011111054347.F11905@real-time.com> <20011112092754.D1951@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20011112160818.G29651@real-time.com> Quoting Chad C. Walstrom (chewie@wookimus.net): > If you're using ORBZ, you may want to add visi.com to your whitelist. > They're on ORBZ not as a direct open relay, rather as a two-stage open > relay: visi.com's MX servers relay mail from certain trusted servers, > which unfortunately accept email from large IP blocks. I'm just using the inputs list, that should be ok. Any visi people having problem? Send me personal email (ORBZ is not on our main mail server yet). Thanks. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dmblevins at mediaone.net Mon Nov 12 17:48:35 2001 From: dmblevins at mediaone.net (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] User admin scripts for Samba, et all. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Are there any hooks or triggers I can use so that when people change their passwords, I can update the smbpasswd via a script I write? David Andy Zbikowski wrote: > (Zibby) > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 3:26 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] User admin scripts for Samba, et all. > > > On Mon, 12 Nov 2001, Munir Nassar wrote: > > > Come to think of it, there an option in samba to sync with unix > > passwords, > > try adding something like to your smb.conf and see what happens: > > unix password sync = yes > > passwd program = /usr/bin/passwd > > > > -munir > > AFAIK, this is for operating samba as a domain controller, and only works > when you change your password through windows. If you update your unix > password, your samba password isn't updated. > > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Nov 12 17:53:39 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] User admin scripts for Samba, et all. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1005606351.6540.0.camel@titanium> On Mon, 2001-11-12 at 15:26, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > On Mon, 12 Nov 2001, Munir Nassar wrote: > > unix password sync = yes > > passwd program = /usr/bin/passwd > AFAIK, this is for operating samba as a domain controller, and only works > when you change your password through windows. If you update your unix > password, your samba password isn't updated. Correctamundo. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream telnet decss.zoy.org 31337 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011112/dcbe9009/attachment.pgp From jkey at usa.net Mon Nov 12 18:00:45 2001 From: jkey at usa.net (Joseph Key) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ethernet wall jacks References: Message-ID: <009a01c16bd0$ef10a6a0$0139a8c0@tomobiki.dyndns.org> Menards has Pass & Seymore network wiring systems. They have the jacks and plugs. The jacks are modular so you can put from 1 to 6 jack in an outlet box. They also have other jacks for cable , speaker and phone wiring. They have a 12 port cat 5 block for putting in the utility room. I found a 24 port network jacks for less at Dexis. Joseph Key ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian" To: Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Ethernet wall jacks > On Mon, 12 Nov 2001, Petre Scheie wrote: > > > The problem with a 100-pair cable is you'll get crosstalk between pairs. > > Cat5 and Cat6 do not exist in multi-pair configurations. Every rule of > networking says you do not, under any circumstances, run multi-pair for > networking. I believe the best you can buy is Cat3 certified, which will > technically run 10 Mbit. Just run 50 Cat6 runs. You'll be better off in > the end by far. > > -Brian > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Nov 12 18:37:18 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ethernet wall jacks Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE147@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Here's an email I got from a friend who used to do installs for Metro Communications: ============ You'll get throughput and crosstalk issues on a 100 pair backbone. Thats only good for phone systems, and is being phased out by cat5 anyway.... Here's what you can do.... Cat 5 has 4 pairs, the blue and white sets and the orange and white are used for T568-B (99.9 percent of ethernet cabeling), full duplex. So, you can really get 2 ethernet connections out of every one 4 pair cable. What I would do is buy 50 ft of 6 pair bundled Cat 5 (they shrink-wrap 6 cables into one), and terminate them on a 110 Cat 5 block. That will give you 12 stations per trunk (or 24 if your half-duplex). Then, run each cable from that point to each room from the attic. Just make sure to split the cable on the 110 block on both ends. Actually, if you want, you can run 2 cat 3 lines as well, terminate them on the block, and run data and PHONE on the same wires, and split them into 2 or 3 jacks at each drop. ================== > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian [mailto:lxy@cloudnet.com] > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 3:44 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Ethernet wall jacks > > > On Mon, 12 Nov 2001, Petre Scheie wrote: > > > The problem with a 100-pair cable is you'll get crosstalk between > > pairs. > > Cat5 and Cat6 do not exist in multi-pair configurations. > Every rule of networking says you do not, under any > circumstances, run multi-pair for networking. I believe the > best you can buy is Cat3 certified, which will technically > run 10 Mbit. Just run 50 Cat6 runs. You'll be better off in > the end by far. > > -Brian > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From rahrenstorff at yahoo.com Mon Nov 12 19:26:17 2001 From: rahrenstorff at yahoo.com (Rodd Ahrenstorff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: ATAPI zip In-Reply-To: <20011111044403.SRLU19017.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@there> References: <20011111044403.SRLU19017.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@there> Message-ID: <200111110737.fAB7bRc10676@sprite.real-time.com> On Saturday 10 November 2001 10:40 pm, you wrote: > I'll try to answer all your questions as best I can. I had a USB Zip 250 and Mandrake 8.1 and it responded with pretty much exactly the same errors. Although I have since removed it from my system, you can find a fair amount of info and discussion concerning this problem on the Mandrake User board under "Hardware". Since implementing devfs many people experience problems with USB devices. I previously ran Mandrake 8.0 with "supermount" and had no problems with my USB devices. There is a devfs writeup on the Mandrake Forum page. This info should be pertinent regardless of the distro you using. Devfs provides another method of supplying the character and block special devices that form the /dev directory. This is a kernel space device manager. There is also a user space portion called devfsd for user overrides. Most distro's are not utilizing devfs as default. Mandrake 8.1 is the first, I think. Also, supermount is currently broken in 8.1, and by default in disabled (but should be fixed soon). Beyond that, I don't know much more... _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From alcyone at slava.net Mon Nov 12 19:53:46 2001 From: alcyone at slava.net (Lorry Lee Strother) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gaim Message-ID: <20011112190514.A651@slava.net> Anyone know why the title bar on my gaim has suddenly stopped appearing when I run it? Makes it tricky to move the window around without the title bar there. :/ Lorry From marc at ds6.net Mon Nov 12 19:54:34 2001 From: marc at ds6.net (Marc A. Ohmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Off topic: U of M CSCI question In-Reply-To: <20011112123401.A250@slava.net>; from alcyone@slava.net on Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 12:34:01PM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE13F@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20011112090457.A279@slava.net> <20011112102302.A24602@rephil.org> <20011112123401.A250@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011112190727.A21639@flanders.digsol.net> On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 12:34:01PM -0600, Lorry Lee Strother wrote: > > Carl Sturtivant, according to my sources, right? I had Carl for Data Structures and Internet Programming. In my opinion he is one of the better profs that I've had. He has a slight british accent and he really knows the material. He is also a very fair grader. I've never had Bobbie so I can't comment on her. -- Marc A. Ohmann Digital Solutions, Inc http://ds6.net marc@ds6.net From mnfan11 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 12 20:03:38 2001 From: mnfan11 at yahoo.com (Elvedin T.) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Christmas present Message-ID: <20011112122128.82724.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com> I once installed Half Life with Wine on Redmond Linux. It didn't work because the operating system, Redmond Linux, is too bloated (much more than Windows) and Linux has little or no OpenGL support. You should still dual boot with Windows, or just play Tux Racer on Linux. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume on Yahoo! Careers. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011112/2cafc5db/attachment.html From wilson at visi.com Mon Nov 12 20:35:43 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] recycling old kernel config Message-ID: Hi everyone, I just downloaded 2.4.14, but rather than go through each config option I'd like to duplicate my 2.4.9 configuration. I know about 'make oldconfig' for configuring a kernel, but I don't know if that will work for different kernel versions or what I have to do to make it work. Any hints? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Mon Nov 12 20:45:36 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] User admin scripts for Samba, et all. In-Reply-To: <1005606351.6540.0.camel@titanium> Message-ID: On 12 Nov 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Mon, 2001-11-12 at 15:26, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > > On Mon, 12 Nov 2001, Munir Nassar wrote: > > > unix password sync = yes > > > passwd program = /usr/bin/passwd > > > AFAIK, this is for operating samba as a domain controller, and only works > > when you change your password through windows. If you update your unix > > password, your samba password isn't updated. > > Correctamundo. But this does not make any sense, if i have a win95 workstation and i have a samba PDC then all the user accounts are in the smbpasswd file, why then would it then change the unix(linux) password without changing the smbpasswd file. Would that not cause quite a bit of confusion not to mention the hassle of having to change the password twice? -munir > > -- From marc at ds6.net Mon Nov 12 21:45:02 2001 From: marc at ds6.net (Marc A. Ohmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Off topic: U of M CSCI question In-Reply-To: <20011112190727.A21639@flanders.digsol.net>; from marc@ds6.net on Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 07:07:27PM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE13F@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20011112090457.A279@slava.net> <20011112102302.A24602@rephil.org> <20011112123401.A250@slava.net> <20011112190727.A21639@flanders.digsol.net> Message-ID: <20011112205329.A21833@flanders.digsol.net> On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 07:07:27PM -0600, Marc A. Ohmann wrote: > On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 12:34:01PM -0600, Lorry Lee Strother wrote: > > > Carl Sturtivant, according to my sources, right? > > I had Carl for Data Structures and Internet Programming. In my opinion he is one of the better profs that I've had. He has a slight british accent and he really knows the material. He is also a very fair grader. > > I've never had Bobbie so I can't comment on her. > -- Oh yea, and Carl was elected Prof. of the year by the CSci students last year. I would say that both classes were fairly average on workload when I took them. Data Structures is a great class overall. It teaches you a lot about problem solving and it is _the_ most important subject in good programming. The text is the best out there (Cormen, Rivest, et al). -- Marc A. Ohmann Digital Solutions, Inc http://ds6.net marc@ds6.net From unknown at real-time.com Tue Nov 13 01:18:05 2001 From: unknown at real-time.com (=?BIG5?Q?=A4u=AC=E3=B0|=B7s=B2=A3=AB~=B8=D5=A5=CE?=) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] =?BIG5?Q?=A6=CA=B8U=C3=D8=BC=FA=BCx=B8=D5=A5=CE=AA=CC?= Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Just use it. bash$ tar -C ~/src -zxvf linux-2.4.14.tar.gz bash$ cp /boot/config-2.4.9 ~/src/linux/.config bash$ cd ~/src/linux bash$ make oldconfig # Use debian's make-kpkg tool to make the kernel, pipe it through # tee so I can get a log in /tmp, and then pipe it through grc # (grcat) to get a colorized display of the make process bash$ sudo make-kpkg --revision="1:custom.1.0" kernel_image 2>&1 | tee /tmp/make-custom-1.0.out | grcat conf.gcc bash$ sudo dpkg --install ../kernel-image-2.4.14-custom.1.0_i386.deb bash$ echo "Ohhh, yeahhhh...that's the shit!" Ohhh, yeahhhh...that's the shit! bash$ shutdown -r now -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011113/154d3fea/attachment.pgp From tanner at real-time.com Tue Nov 13 02:30:57 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Birds of a Feather (BoF) Message-ID: <20011113020818.N6227@real-time.com> I'm not sure how many people have been to a Linux Expo, but one of the really cool things are the Birds of a Feather (BoF) meetings. While the presentations are good, they are just that, presentations. The BoF meetings are discussion groups, ie everyone pariticpates. Last TCLUG meeting a bunch of us went to Sally's to eat and an impromptu BoF broke out. :-) It's was pretty informative. We talked about everything from a thorn in idiot Ben's foot to LVM on the S390. Where is this all leading? I think there is need for more interactive discussion within TCLUG. Don't get me wrong, the presentations are great and needed. You can't have a discussion if everyone is clueless about what is being talked about. Presentations impart knowledge. Discussion solidifies it. I also am getting personal email about the length between installfests and why it takes so much effort to get one together. So, I have been throwing around the idea of having BoF meetings at Real Time. These would be something on the order of every other week. We'd sit in the back office common room and just talk about technology. It would be open to all. Along side the BoF meeting would be a mini-installfest in the other back offices. Again these would be on the order of every other week, but because space is scare back there, it would be a registration thing. Exact times and days of the week have not been nailed down. I'm posting here to see what the level of interest would be like. Comments? -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Nov 13 02:35:43 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] User admin scripts for Samba, et all. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011113012229.C9454@wookimus.net> On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 03:26:16PM -0600, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > On Mon, 12 Nov 2001, Munir Nassar wrote: > > > Come to think of it, there an option in samba to sync with unix > > passwords, > > try adding something like to your smb.conf and see what happens: > > unix password sync = yes > > passwd program = /usr/bin/passwd > > > > -munir > > AFAIK, this is for operating samba as a domain controller, and only works > when you change your password through windows. If you update your unix > password, your samba password isn't updated. Correct. The best way to go about synchronizing passwords is to write your own password wrapper program, something that will update both the SAMBA and UNIX password files. I believe there is some progress with using an LDAP server for Authentication as well. I will be looking into this soon. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011113/870efef4/attachment.pgp From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Nov 13 05:09:30 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Birds of a Feather (BoF) Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE14C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> How many people would register and not show up though? I'm sure lots of people would be all gung ho about it, but then when it comes time to actually show up, many might just decide they would have a better time spending money at the mall. Which I guess is OK, because the ones that do show up will just get more support since we wouldn't have to deal with so many people. > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 2:08 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Birds of a Feather (BoF) > > > I'm not sure how many people have been to a Linux Expo, but > one of the really > cool things are the Birds of a Feather (BoF) meetings. While > the presentations > are good, they are just that, presentations. The BoF meetings > are discussion > groups, ie everyone pariticpates. > > Last TCLUG meeting a bunch of us went to Sally's to eat and > an impromptu BoF > broke out. :-) It's was pretty informative. We talked about > everything from a > thorn in idiot Ben's foot to LVM on the S390. > > Where is this all leading? > > I think there is need for more interactive discussion within > TCLUG. Don't get me > wrong, the presentations are great and needed. You can't have > a discussion if > everyone is clueless about what is being talked about. > Presentations impart > knowledge. Discussion solidifies it. > > I also am getting personal email about the length between > installfests and why > it takes so much effort to get one together. > > So, I have been throwing around the idea of having BoF > meetings at Real Time. > These would be something on the order of every other week. > We'd sit in the back > office common room and just talk about technology. It would > be open to all. > > Along side the BoF meeting would be a mini-installfest in the > other back > offices. Again these would be on the order of every other > week, but because > space is scare back there, it would be a registration thing. > > Exact times and days of the week have not been nailed down. > > I'm posting here to see what the level of interest would be like. > > Comments? > > > -- > Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Tue Nov 13 07:55:08 2001 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (Jim Kaufman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Birds of a Feather (BoF) In-Reply-To: <20011113020818.N6227@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 02:08:18AM -0600 References: <20011113020818.N6227@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011113061113.A27455@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> On Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 02:08:18AM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > So, I have been throwing around the idea of having BoF meetings at Real Time. > These would be something on the order of every other week. We'd sit in the back > office common room and just talk about technology. It would be open to all. > > Along side the BoF meeting would be a mini-installfest in the other back > offices. Again these would be on the order of every other week, but because > space is scare back there, it would be a registration thing. > > I'm posting here to see what the level of interest would be like. > > Comments? > > Sounds like a good idea. Turn on the coffee pot, sit around and talk. How scarce is the space? How many LUGers can squeeze in at once? -- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Tue Nov 13 08:38:36 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] User admin scripts for Samba, et all. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: | |On 12 Nov 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: | |> On Mon, 2001-11-12 at 15:26, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: |> > On Mon, 12 Nov 2001, Munir Nassar wrote: |> > > unix password sync = yes |> > > passwd program = /usr/bin/passwd |> |> > AFAIK, this is for operating samba as a domain controller, and |only works |> > when you change your password through windows. If you update your unix |> > password, your samba password isn't updated. |> |> Correctamundo. | |But this does not make any sense, if i have a win95 workstation and i have |a samba PDC then all the user accounts are in the smbpasswd file, why then |would it then change the unix(linux) password without changing the |smbpasswd file. Would that not cause quite a bit of confusion not to |mention the hassle of having to change the password twice? | | -munir No. That is backwards. If you change your *nix passwd, smbpasswd is not kept in synch. The two are independently maintained after their initial creation. I understand that winbind is supposed to keep you from needing a smbpasswd file, but I haven't tried it yet. It is in the latest samba release, but I am still running the release before that. From steveg at transition.com Tue Nov 13 08:54:53 2001 From: steveg at transition.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Birds of a Feather (BoF) Message-ID: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BC095@postman.transition.com> Count me in. A splendid idea. If you need a hand getting stuff set up just let me know, it would be easy for me to stop by after work. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 2:08 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Birds of a Feather (BoF) I'm not sure how many people have been to a Linux Expo, but one of the really cool things are the Birds of a Feather (BoF) meetings. While the presentations are good, they are just that, presentations. The BoF meetings are discussion groups, ie everyone pariticpates. Last TCLUG meeting a bunch of us went to Sally's to eat and an impromptu BoF broke out. :-) It's was pretty informative. We talked about everything from a thorn in idiot Ben's foot to LVM on the S390. Where is this all leading? I think there is need for more interactive discussion within TCLUG. Don't get me wrong, the presentations are great and needed. You can't have a discussion if everyone is clueless about what is being talked about. Presentations impart knowledge. Discussion solidifies it. I also am getting personal email about the length between installfests and why it takes so much effort to get one together. So, I have been throwing around the idea of having BoF meetings at Real Time. These would be something on the order of every other week. We'd sit in the back office common room and just talk about technology. It would be open to all. Along side the BoF meeting would be a mini-installfest in the other back offices. Again these would be on the order of every other week, but because space is scare back there, it would be a registration thing. Exact times and days of the week have not been nailed down. I'm posting here to see what the level of interest would be like. Comments? -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Tue Nov 13 09:03:20 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Monthly TCLUG Meeting this Saturday In-Reply-To: References: <20011102064627.A27096@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20011113081016.A27406@fandre.com> Yea, I missed the meeting too. Scott, have any notes from the meeting? On Sun, 11 Nov 2001, David Blevins wrote: > I completely missed this meeting, I was looking forward to it too. > > Are there slides available somewhere? > > David > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Clay Fandre > > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 6:46 AM > > To: tclug-announce > > Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Monthly TCLUG Meeting this Saturday > > > > > > When: > > Saturday November 3rd, 2001 noon - 2pm > > > > Topic > > LDAP > > > > Where: > > University of Minnesota > > Room EE-CS 3-180 > > http://onestop.umn.edu/Maps/EECSci/index.html > > > > Check out http://www.mn-linux.org/meetings/ for more information. > > > > Hope to see you there! > > From florin at iucha.net Tue Nov 13 09:04:18 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Birds of a Feather (BoF) In-Reply-To: <20011113020818.N6227@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 02:08:18AM -0600 References: <20011113020818.N6227@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011113081303.A6875@beaver.iucha.org> On Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 02:08:18AM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > > So, I have been throwing around the idea of having BoF meetings at Real Time. > These would be something on the order of every other week. We'd sit in the back > office common room and just talk about technology. It would be open to all. > > Along side the BoF meeting would be a mini-installfest in the other back > offices. Again these would be on the order of every other week, but because > space is scare back there, it would be a registration thing. > > Exact times and days of the week have not been nailed down. > > I'm posting here to see what the level of interest would be like. > > Comments? That's a good idea. Actually is more than a good idea: it is a very generous offer. Thank you Bob! florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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That sounds great..... mbutler From alcyone at slava.net Tue Nov 13 10:02:19 2001 From: alcyone at slava.net (Lorry Lee Strother) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail notification programs In-Reply-To: <20011112151453.A22905@gordo.space.umn.edu> References: <20011110193730.A753@slava.net> <20011111104244.A20289@gordo.space.umn.edu> <20011111071845.A5565@slava.net> <20011111154344.A19212@baker.space.umn.edu> <20011111110304.A5897@slava.net> <20011111182026.A20359@baker.space.umn.edu> <20011111212037.A6909@slava.net> <20011112091026.A21271@gordo.space.umn.edu> <20011112134005.A390@slava.net> <20011112151453.A22905@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011113092345.A502@slava.net> On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 03:14:54PM -0600, Jim Crumley typed: > > Indeed. Well my last (?) idea is to remove wmmail and reinstall > it. Make sure the reinstalled version is downloaded again in > case it was corrupted during download or something funny. > Same error, but hey, I learned how to remove packages from my system. Should I try installing it myself instead of apt-getting or won't that make a difference? Lorry From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Nov 13 10:02:58 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Birds of a Feather (BoF) In-Reply-To: <20011113020818.N6227@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > So, I have been throwing around the idea of having BoF meetings at Real Time. > These would be something on the order of every other week. We'd sit in the back > office common room and just talk about technology. It would be open to all. Sounds a lot like what the beer meetings are for. I like the idea, especially the part about bringing in hardware (most restaurants frown on bringing an S/390 with you). > Comments? I hope I can make it to a few :-) Will there be beer/pizza involved in this also? -Brian From PCZeilon at att.net Tue Nov 13 10:03:37 2001 From: PCZeilon at att.net (Carl & Paula Zeilon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: ATAPI zip In-Reply-To: <200111130833.fAD8XWT12744@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011113085348.0157eea0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Thanks for the tip. I'll do some reading and try again. I'm glad someone confirmed what I thought about the supermount feature (busted). I knew something had changed in 8.1. Accessing my removable media devices is much easier except for the #@*%$ zip. This must be the devfs feature. Sorry Florin, your strace tip is a little over my head :-\ I'll get back to this later. Thanks everybody. At 02:33 AM 11/13/2001, you wrote: >On Saturday 10 November 2001 10:40 pm, you wrote: > > I'll try to answer all your questions as best I can. > >I had a USB Zip 250 and Mandrake 8.1 and it responded with pretty much >exactly the same errors. Although I have since removed it from my system, >you can find a fair amount of info and discussion concerning this problem on >the Mandrake User board under "Hardware". Since implementing devfs many >people experience problems with USB devices. I previously ran Mandrake 8.0 >with "supermount" and had no problems with my USB devices. There is a devfs >writeup on the Mandrake Forum page. This info should be pertinent regardless >of the distro you using. > >Devfs provides another method of supplying the character and block special >devices that form the /dev directory. This is a kernel space device manager. > There is also a user space portion called devfsd for user overrides. Most >distro's are not utilizing devfs as default. Mandrake 8.1 is the first, I >think. Also, supermount is currently broken in 8.1, and by default in >disabled (but should be fixed soon). > >Beyond that, I don't know much more... From alcyone at slava.net Tue Nov 13 10:10:20 2001 From: alcyone at slava.net (Lorry Lee Strother) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Birds of a Feather (BoF) In-Reply-To: <20011113020818.N6227@real-time.com> References: <20011113020818.N6227@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011113092830.B502@slava.net> On Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 02:08:18AM -0600, Bob Tanner typed and Lorry snipped: > > I think there is need for more interactive discussion within TCLUG. > Exact times and days of the week have not been nailed down. > I'm posting here to see what the level of interest would be like. > This sounds really fabulous! If we do this on beer meeting "off" weeks, then I won't have to coordinate anything, too. ;) I'm interested, and it is a generous offer indeed. Such nice people we have around here! Lorry From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Nov 13 10:10:52 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] =?BIG5?Q?=A6=CA=B8U=C3=D8=BC=FA=BCx=B8=D5=A5=CE=AA=CC?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, [BIG5] ¤u¬ã°|·s²£«~¸Õ¥Î wrote: > pm 7:30~9:30 No, the beer meetings are 6-8 PM. > ¥x¥_¥«¬F©²±Ð¨|§½ : > ¥D¿ì³æ¦ì I'm sorry to hear that. My condolences to you and your son. > ¨ó¿ì³æ¦ì : > ¤¤°ê¥x°Óµo®i«P¶i·| > »y­µ³t»¼ºô¯¸ Look in your smb.conf. You can turn that off. > 1. »y­µÀ£ÁY¨C¬í¥u¦³1K¡A½Ð¸Õ¥Î¥»³nÅé¡C ¡u¸Õ¥Î>>¡v > 2.¶ñ¦n¤U¦C¸Õ¥Î¤ß±o¡A¦b11¤ë30¤é¥H«e±H¦^¡A¥iÀò±o¤@®M5§éÀu«Ý¨Ã¥i°Ñ¥[¦Ê¸UÃØ«~©â¼ú¡C¡u > Ô±¡>>¡v > 3. Àu«Ý´Á¶¡¤Z¤@¦¸ÁʶR5®M¡A¨C®M¥i±o¼úª÷300¤¸¡C¨Ã§K¶OÃØ°e¤@®M»y­µ³t»¼¥úºÐ¡C > 4. ¦p±ý¥N²z¥»²£«~¡A½Ð°Ñ¦Ò¥N²z¤èªk¡C > 5. 5 ethernet boards? Ever heard of a switch? I'm guessing from your embedded images that you're supposed to be spam. Unfortunately, your sender decided that incoherent monkey language is a better marketing tool than plain english. Were you written in Frontpage by chance? -Brian From uak at nerp.net Tue Nov 13 10:19:32 2001 From: uak at nerp.net (Ursula A. Kallio) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BoF In-Reply-To: <20011113081303.A6875@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: I am interested. And "Thank you!" uak On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 02:08:18AM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > So, I have been throwing around the idea... From jesse_erdmann at securecomputing.com Tue Nov 13 11:30:47 2001 From: jesse_erdmann at securecomputing.com (Jesse Erdmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Birds of a Feather (BoF) References: Message-ID: <3BF147E9.81FB3BC7@securecomputing.com> Brian wrote: > > On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > So, I have been throwing around the idea of having BoF meetings at Real Time. > > These would be something on the order of every other week. We'd sit in the back > > office common room and just talk about technology. It would be open to all. > > Sounds a lot like what the beer meetings are for. I like the idea, > especially the part about bringing in hardware (most restaurants frown on > bringing an S/390 with you). > > > Comments? > > I hope I can make it to a few :-) Will there be beer/pizza involved in > this also? > Perhaps we could make it Thursdays between Beer Meetings? Not sure how the Real Time folks would feel about it, but BYOB would be okay with me! But, if alcohol on premisis is not a viable option, pooling cash for pizza/pop sounds like a good idea to me. Maybe that would open in it open to some of the underage members a little more too. -- Jesse Erdmann Engineer Secure Computing Corp. From jasonj at talkware.net Tue Nov 13 11:49:34 2001 From: jasonj at talkware.net (Jason Jorgensen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A6=CA=B8U=C3=D8=BC=FA=BCx=B8=D5=A5=CE=AA=CC?= References: Message-ID: <3BF14C38.5060009@talkware.net> In mozilla mail the page showed up correctly with the chinese characters, I thought that was pretty cool even though I dont know chinese or whatever language it is. Funny commentary though :) Brian wrote: >On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, [BIG5] ?u???|?s???~???? wrote: > >>pm 7:30~9:30 >> > >No, the beer meetings are 6-8 PM. > >>?x?_???F?????|?? : >>?D?????? >> > >I'm sorry to hear that. My condolences to you and your son. > >>???????? : >>?????x???o?i?P?i?| >>?y???t?????? >> > >Look in your smb.conf. You can turn that off. > >>1. ?y?????Y?C???u??1K?A?????????n???C ?u????>>?v >>2.???n?U?C???????o?A?b11??30???H?e?H?^?A?i???o?@?M5???u?????i???[???U???~?????C?u >>???>>?v >>3. ?u???????Z?@?????R5?M?A?C?M?i?o????300???C???K?O???e?@?M?y???t???????C >>4. ?p???N?z?????~?A???????N?z???k?C >>5. >> > >5 ethernet boards? Ever heard of a switch? > >I'm guessing from your embedded images that you're supposed to be >spam. Unfortunately, your sender decided that incoherent monkey language >is a better marketing tool than plain english. Were you written in >Frontpage by chance? > >-Brian > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From phil at rephil.org Tue Nov 13 12:37:52 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (phil@rephil.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Birds of a Feather (BoF) In-Reply-To: <20011113020818.N6227@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 02:08:18AM -0600 References: <20011113020818.N6227@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011113113045.B27286@rephil.org> On Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 02:08:18AM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > So, I have been throwing around the idea of having BoF meetings at > Real Time. These would be something on the order of every other > week. We'd sit in the back office common room and just talk about > technology. It would be open to all. > > Along side the BoF meeting would be a mini-installfest in the other back > offices. Again these would be on the order of every other week, but because > space is scare back there, it would be a registration thing. > > Exact times and days of the week have not been nailed down. > > I'm posting here to see what the level of interest would be like. > > Comments? Nice idea. My only comment is that I am in St. Paul, and the busier things get here and at the U, the further away Eden Prairie seems. At the risk of expanding past the point of usefulness, this has given me an idea about doing a LUG "clubhouse" that might or might not be feasible, and could piggyback onto Bob's idea. I won't go into detail here, but I'll post something on my web site. Phil -- I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Nov 13 12:38:49 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Birds of a Feather (BoF) In-Reply-To: <20011113020818.N6227@real-time.com> References: <20011113020818.N6227@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1005672870.1463.2.camel@titanium> On Tue, 2001-11-13 at 02:08, Bob Tanner wrote: > Last TCLUG meeting a bunch of us went to Sally's to eat and an impromptu BoF > broke out. :-) It's was pretty informative. We talked about everything from a > thorn in idiot Ben's foot to LVM on the S390 :-) ahh fond memories of my military service. > So, I have been throwing around the idea of having BoF meetings at Real Time. > These would be something on the order of every other week. We'd sit in the back > office common room and just talk about technology. It would be open to all. I can feel myself getting geekier by the second :-) sounds like a great idea to me. > I'm posting here to see what the level of interest would be like. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Paul From dsherman at real-time.com Tue Nov 13 12:58:20 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Birds of a Feather (BoF) In-Reply-To: <20011113020818.N6227@real-time.com> References: <20011113020818.N6227@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1005673699.2155.2.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> On Tue, 2001-11-13 at 02:08, Bob Tanner wrote:> > So, I have been throwing around the idea of having BoF meetings at Real Time. > These would be something on the order of every other week. We'd sit in the back > office common room and just talk about technology. It would be open to all. > > Along side the BoF meeting would be a mini-installfest in the other back > offices. Again these would be on the order of every other week, but because > space is scare back there, it would be a registration thing. > > Exact times and days of the week have not been nailed down. > > I'm posting here to see what the level of interest would be like. > > Comments? Sounds like a capital plan to me. Now, if only I could find the time to actually come to one. Someone else mentioned bringing or supplying beer. I, for one, would prefer an alcohol-free environment for the BoF meetings -- we've got beer meetings for those of us who want beer ;-) Dave -- If you go on with this nuclear arms race, all you are going to do is make the rubble bounce. -- Winston Churchill -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It would be open to all. > > > > Sounds a lot like what the beer meetings are for. I like the idea, > > especially the part about bringing in hardware (most restaurants frown on > > bringing an S/390 with you). > > > > > Comments? > > > > I hope I can make it to a few :-) Will there be beer/pizza involved in > > this also? > > > > Perhaps we could make it Thursdays between Beer Meetings? Not sure how > the Real Time folks would feel about it, but BYOB would be okay with > me! But, if alcohol on premisis is not a viable option, pooling cash > for pizza/pop sounds like a good idea to me. Maybe that would open in > it open to some of the underage members a little more too. I have to drive across town to get to Real-time. Afternoons are pretty much out...Unless it's after 7:00 PM ;( florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Paul From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Tue Nov 13 13:15:59 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail notification programs In-Reply-To: <20011113092345.A502@slava.net> References: <20011111104244.A20289@gordo.space.umn.edu> <20011111071845.A5565@slava.net> <20011111154344.A19212@baker.space.umn.edu> <20011111110304.A5897@slava.net> <20011111182026.A20359@baker.space.umn.edu> <20011111212037.A6909@slava.net> <20011112091026.A21271@gordo.space.umn.edu> <20011112134005.A390@slava.net> <20011112151453.A22905@gordo.space.umn.edu> <20011113092345.A502@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011113104702.A24887@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 09:23:45AM -0600, Lorry Lee Strother wrote: > On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 03:14:54PM -0600, Jim Crumley typed: > > > > Indeed. Well my last (?) idea is to remove wmmail and reinstall > > it. Make sure the reinstalled version is downloaded again in > > case it was corrupted during download or something funny. > > > Same error, but hey, I learned how to remove packages from my system. > Should I try installing it myself instead of apt-getting or won't that > make a difference? Nah, that shouldn't make a difference - apt-get uses dpkg to actually install the deb, so it would do the samething anyway. I'm stumped. Anyone who's been following this thread have any ideas? Oh, wait I thought of another thing to try which shouldn't make a difference - try building the package from source. Its easy with apt. First make sure that you deb-src line in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Something like: deb-src ftp://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/debian sid main contrib non-free Then: apt-get update apt-get -b source wmmail That will download and attempt to compile wmmail. Depending on what you have installed on your system, the compilation may fail because your missing dependencies. Just apt-get install any build dependencies that it complains about - I had to install libproplist0-dev when I just tried this. After compiling the package you'll need to install it by hand: dpkg -i wmmail_0.64-5_i386.deb Anyway, its unlikely to make a differnce, but it is another neat apt trick. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Cookies are tasty! |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://faircopyright.org/ From pauljrech at acm.org Tue Nov 13 13:16:58 2001 From: pauljrech at acm.org (Paul Rech) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] laptop net cards - recommendation wanted Message-ID: <3BF14EE9.AB858DE0@acm.org> Anyone have the Netgear FA510C? What little I saw on google was good. buy.com mentions Linux in the description of the card, which is nice to see and makes me believe it's well supported. Any other cards that do well under Linux? Follow up question - do you get what you pay for with network hardware? Can I base my decision solely on price or is that being penny wise? Paul From blayer at qwest.net Tue Nov 13 13:49:42 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Opera for Linux news Message-ID: <20011113131029.07c3f15b.blayer@qwest.net> Just a couple of tidbits for you Opera fans. It looks like Christian Westgaard and the Opera-Linux team are going for the gusto. As you probably know, the current stable build of Opera for Linux is 5.0, and there has been a 5.05 'TP1' (technology preview) available on the www.opera.com site for some time. Recently, to my great surprise, I was given two different 5.5beta builds to try out, but then today, something else.. Today, we received Opera-Linux 6.0beta builds for testing... it looks like the project is moving along very nicely. With any luck, Opera for Linux will achieve parity with the Windows version in the not-too-distant future. I'm of the mind that most of us don't need anything like M$ Word to write our letters and notes, but we all need a browser the caliber of Opera or M$IE to enjoy our web experiences to the fullest. Please support Opera! A slick, robust, viable commercial browser for Linux is still (IMO) more important than a port of MS Office or a new version of StarOffice. Say Mozilla if you like, but I still don't see the Mozilla team offering one-on-one support to John Q. Enduser. On a side note, Sharp is preparing to release their Linux PDA in the next several months.. it will come stock with Opera as the browser. Full story on www.theregister.co.uk. Too bad it's going to be a little pricey. Disclaimer: I am a member of the Opera-Linux Beta testers program. For my participation in the program, I have received a complimentary Opera-Linux user license, as well as access to new builds before the general public. Bill NotGates From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Tue Nov 13 13:57:00 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backup Options Message-ID: After a near miss with the worst file-system failure i have ever encountered, i need to research better backup options. I already have a CD/RW installed and working and purchasing new hardware is currently financially out of the question. so what i need is some software that would automate the backup procedure to CD/RW and give me a good easy way to manage and recover if or when it is needed. -munir -- From amy at real-time.com Tue Nov 13 13:57:43 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Birds of a Feather (BoF) In-Reply-To: <1005673699.2155.2.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org>; from dsherman@real-time.com on Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 11:48:14AM -0600 References: <20011113020818.N6227@real-time.com> <1005673699.2155.2.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> Message-ID: <20011113131811.E31809@real-time.com> On Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 11:48:14AM -0600, Dave Sherman (dsherman@real-time.com) wrote: > Someone else mentioned bringing or supplying beer. I, for one, would > prefer an alcohol-free environment for the BoF meetings -- we've got > beer meetings for those of us who want beer ;-) I agree - keep the BoF meetings alcohol-free. I don't think Real Time wants the liability for any accidents that could occur as a result of alcohol. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org Tue Nov 13 14:02:22 2001 From: josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: ATAPI zip In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011113085348.0157eea0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Oh hey I remember this. There's a problem (sort of) with devfs where the ide probe doesn't see the ide-floppy until it's explicitly poked. I used keep a device node around just so I could read a sector off into /dev/null. That would cause devfs to notice that there *is* something there and that it should make a node for it. Supermount though... I never touched the stuff though it's probably depending on devfs to get it right first. Joshua b. Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 http://www.greentechnologist.org On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Carl & Paula Zeilon wrote: > Thanks for the tip. I'll do some reading and try again. I'm glad someone > confirmed what I thought about the supermount feature (busted). > I knew something had changed in 8.1. Accessing my removable media devices > is much easier except for the #@*%$ zip. This must be the devfs > feature. Sorry Florin, your strace tip is a little over my head :-\ I'll > get back to this later. Thanks everybody. > > > At 02:33 AM 11/13/2001, you wrote: > >On Saturday 10 November 2001 10:40 pm, you wrote: > > > I'll try to answer all your questions as best I can. > > > >I had a USB Zip 250 and Mandrake 8.1 and it responded with pretty much > >exactly the same errors. Although I have since removed it from my system, > >you can find a fair amount of info and discussion concerning this problem on > >the Mandrake User board under "Hardware". Since implementing devfs many > >people experience problems with USB devices. I previously ran Mandrake 8.0 > >with "supermount" and had no problems with my USB devices. There is a devfs > >writeup on the Mandrake Forum page. This info should be pertinent regardless > >of the distro you using. > > > >Devfs provides another method of supplying the character and block special > >devices that form the /dev directory. This is a kernel space device manager. > > There is also a user space portion called devfsd for user overrides. Most > >distro's are not utilizing devfs as default. Mandrake 8.1 is the first, I > >think. Also, supermount is currently broken in 8.1, and by default in > >disabled (but should be fixed soon). > > > >Beyond that, I don't know much more... > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE78XQqfexLsowstzcRAhtNAKCekDOipayCdUeVSq8Ib3bFlpiYtQCfYlEg nwmZr3is9LdjeccvHuZ+SQw= =/eSp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From natecars at real-time.com Tue Nov 13 14:30:17 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Birds of a Feather (BoF) In-Reply-To: <3BF15C22.2040500@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Paul Rech wrote: > This would be excellent. > Now, could you move your office a little closer to Stillwater? *ponders*... nice view of the river.. nice small quaint town.. only 45 minutes away from the Twin Cities.. Bob, can we move to Stillwater? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Tue Nov 13 14:30:53 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] laptop net cards - recommendation wanted In-Reply-To: <3BF14EE9.AB858DE0@acm.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Paul Rech wrote: > Anyone have the Netgear FA510C? What little I saw on google was good. works great. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Nov 13 14:31:25 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] laptop net cards - recommendation wanted In-Reply-To: <3BF14EE9.AB858DE0@acm.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Paul Rech wrote: > Follow up question - do you get what you pay for with network hardware? > Can I base my decision solely on price or is that being penny wise? I buy solely on the name. 3com has pissed me off too many times. Netgear has always been good to me. SMC and Intel are right up there too. Some day my house will be completely Netgear, and I'll be happy about it :-) -Brian From cznews at att.net Tue Nov 13 14:36:04 2001 From: cznews at att.net (Carl Zeilon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: ATAPI zip Message-ID: <20011113194650.OLHK5495.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@there> OK, here is the latest of the zip saga. By issuing "mknod /dev/hdb4 b 3 68" everything works great! AFAIK there is a problem with devfs & the ide-floppy module. Nobody on the Mandrake forum seems to know how to make this "stick" though (I tried adding it to /etc/rc.d/rc.local). All these fixes have to be rerun after rebooting or just logging out. The best suggestion I heard is changing the configuration to use the ide-scsi module (just like the old days). Unfortunately, I wasn't around for those days & don't know how to do it. Does this sound like a good option? Anybody want to walk me through it? Thanks From florin at iucha.net Tue Nov 13 14:56:33 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backup Options In-Reply-To: ; from nassarmu@redconcepts.net on Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 01:03:54PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011113141350.C31306@beaver.iucha.org> On Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 01:03:54PM -0600, Munir Nassar wrote: > After a near miss with the worst file-system failure i have ever > encountered, i need to research better backup options. > > I already have a CD/RW installed and working and purchasing new hardware > is currently financially out of the question. so what i need is some > software that would automate the backup procedure to CD/RW and give me a > good easy way to manage and recover if or when it is needed. 1. Make that partition xfs 2. Make a cron job that xfsdumps it into a file, makes an iso and burns it at 4:00 am. 3. Put a sticker on you monitor reminding you to put a blank cd in when you go to bed. 4. Sleep well... florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011113/ba800393/attachment.pgp From blayer at qwest.net Tue Nov 13 15:02:10 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] laptop net cards - recommendation wanted In-Reply-To: <3BF14EE9.AB858DE0@acm.org> References: <3BF14EE9.AB858DE0@acm.org> Message-ID: <20011113141212.0dd506c1.blayer@qwest.net> On Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:48:41 -0600 "Paul Rech" wrote: > Anyone have the Netgear FA510C? What little I saw on google was good. > > buy.com mentions Linux in the description of the card, which is nice to > see and makes me > believe it's well supported. > > Any other cards that do well under Linux? I regularly use both the 3Com 3c589-D and the NewMedia ethernet adapters in my laptop. Both cards are only 10baseT but they are totally solid. If you are curious about support for a particular make/model, go to your linux source tree (cd /usr/src/linux) run 'make menuconfig' and browse through the PCMCIA network devices. There are of course PCMCIA and Network HOWTOs, but I suspect that the supported devices get out of date quickly as new kernels emerge. Bill > From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Tue Nov 13 15:09:45 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] User admin scripts for Samba, et all. Message-ID: I think there might be some misunderstandings propagated here, so I will blurt out my understanding of Samba passwd stuff to clarify things and hopefully someone will correct me if I am wrong. Win* Domains and *NIX use two different algorithms for encrypting password in a file. Samba can use the standard /etc/passwd (and /etc/shadow if configured -- it uses what you got), but passwords from Win* clients then have to be clear text (which is bad). They do not have to be clear text if Samba uses a 'smbpasswd' file (it can be wherever 'smb.conf' says it is) and maintains the password separately using the different encryption algorithm. Samba contains some configuration options to synchronize passwords from the Win* client side, and it is relately easy to wrap 'passwd' on the *NIX side. You can also just make Samba hand off authenication to a Win* PDC, and in 2.2.* it can be a PDC (but not a BDC, yet). It could act as a PDC before, but not very well. Winbind is not used to make the smbpasswd obsolete, it is used to make it so you can add a Samba server to your Win* network and not have to add all your users to that box (and maintain the user list separately). Winbind (as shallowly as I've read) will allow Samba to pass off authentication to a Win* PDC and if authentication is successful it will create a new user on the *NIX box if there is none. This is nice for NAS and other appliances that use Samba. Please let me know if I am mistaken. >>> jspinti@dart.dartdist.com 11/13/01 07:46AM >>> |On 12 Nov 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: |> On Mon, 2001-11-12 at 15:26, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: |> > On Mon, 12 Nov 2001, Munir Nassar wrote: |> > > unix password sync = yes |> > > passwd program = /usr/bin/passwd |> |> > AFAIK, this is for operating samba as a domain controller, and |only works |> > when you change your password through windows. If you update your unix |> > password, your samba password isn't updated. |> |> Correctamundo. | |But this does not make any sense, if i have a win95 workstation and i have |a samba PDC then all the user accounts are in the smbpasswd file, why then |would it then change the unix(linux) password without changing the |smbpasswd file. Would that not cause quite a bit of confusion not to |mention the hassle of having to change the password twice? | | -munir No. That is backwards. If you change your *nix passwd, smbpasswd is not kept in synch. The two are independently maintained after their initial creation. I understand that winbind is supposed to keep you from needing a smbpasswd file, but I haven't tried it yet. It is in the latest samba release, but I am still running the release before that. From dmblevins at mediaone.net Tue Nov 13 15:17:51 2001 From: dmblevins at mediaone.net (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Listing the IP confugration Message-ID: What's the Linux equivalent to the Windows ipconfig command? Also, how do I do release/renews? David From chrome at real-time.com Tue Nov 13 15:51:36 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] laptop net cards - recommendation wanted In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 01:36:00PM -0600 References: <3BF14EE9.AB858DE0@acm.org> Message-ID: <20011113145546.D27693@real-time.com> > works great. you just need a fairly recent kernel. 2.2.18 works, I know; not sure about 2.2.16. OpenBSD might support it now that 2.9 is out; but not sure. it wouldn't be initialized under 2.8 (which is why I went to a 3com, which works fine). Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Nov 13 15:52:29 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Opera for Linux news In-Reply-To: <20011113131029.07c3f15b.blayer@qwest.net> References: <20011113131029.07c3f15b.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20011113205904.66B3A4479@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 That's great to hear. On older systems, there is just no beating Opera. On my laptop (p266, 32mb ram) Netscape was sluggish, forget about Mozilla, and Konqueror just depends on too much KDE stuff for my liking. (Running blackbox on this thing for a reason...) I tried out Opera on the thing, and promptly bought it. Even after a memory upgrade to the laptop (96mb now, whoo!) I still use Opera. Having mutiple pages open in one Opera window is a plus for limited screens (800x600 is the best my LCD will do.) I definitly feel Opera was and is worth my money, even though I've moved away from it to Mozilla on my desktop (mainly for plugin pruposes. If Opera plugin support worked, I'd be there. But it was a no go in the Technology Preview. Hope things are shaping up in the new betas.) But when I'm on my laptop, Opera. ;) - -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org/~zibby Bender: You just think that robots are machines built by humans to make their lifes easier. Fry: Well, aren't they? Bender: I've never made anyone's life easier and you know it! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjvxiZYACgkQ/PFCAPL3hQOHbQCgtr5Gb6rAks+UZRSnmirPsdMJ rCIAnAyEYt3UWxUZd/3nqyBsp5Bvxtcd =AfQf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Nov 13 16:00:12 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] laptop net cards - recommendation wanted In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011113210100.87DF44479@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 My suggestion, get some 802.11 gear. My former roomie had it, and it was a hell of alot nicer than yet another cable. If you must get wired gear, look long and hard for something without a dongle. :) - -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org/~zibby Bender: You just think that robots are machines built by humans to make their lifes easier. Fry: Well, aren't they? Bender: I've never made anyone's life easier and you know it! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjvxigoACgkQ/PFCAPL3hQMqpgCfcxyeKCY3m8qODUYLzJHyjrvN go0An251kojBbaezhEXjf2pfZaApxSYc =B1s3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From foeclan at winternet.com Tue Nov 13 16:10:37 2001 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] laptop net cards - recommendation wanted References: <3BF14EE9.AB858DE0@acm.org> <20011113141212.0dd506c1.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3BF18C5A.6030700@winternet.com> I picked up the Linksys EtherFast 10/100+56k PCMCIA modem. It works perfectly under Slackware as an NE2000, and didn't require any special configuration under Slackware 8. -- Michael Vieths Email: Foeclan@Winternet.com Web: http://www.geekbear.net Bill Layer wrote: > On Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:48:41 -0600 > "Paul Rech" wrote: > > >>Anyone have the Netgear FA510C? What little I saw on google was good. >> >>buy.com mentions Linux in the description of the card, which is nice to >>see and makes me >>believe it's well supported. >> >>Any other cards that do well under Linux? >> > > I regularly use both the 3Com 3c589-D and the NewMedia ethernet adapters in my laptop. Both cards are only 10baseT but they are totally solid. If you are curious about support for a particular make/model, go to your linux source tree (cd /usr/src/linux) run 'make menuconfig' and browse through the PCMCIA network devices. > > There are of course PCMCIA and Network HOWTOs, but I suspect that the supported devices get out of date quickly as new kernels emerge. > > Bill > > > From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Tue Nov 13 16:12:26 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backup Options In-Reply-To: <20011113141350.C31306@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > 1. Make that partition xfs not really an option, i got lucky this time because i was using ext3 and i was able to use toms root boot to recover... > 2. Make a cron job that xfsdumps it into a file, makes an iso and burns > it at 4:00 am. > 3. Put a sticker on you monitor reminding you to put a blank cd in when > you go to bed. But this is exactly what i want to do, is there no utility that will do this for ext2/3? -munir > 4. Sleep well... > florin > > -- From Charles_E_Zlamal at consecofinance.com Tue Nov 13 16:57:25 2001 From: Charles_E_Zlamal at consecofinance.com (Charles_E_Zlamal@consecofinance.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Listing the IP confugration Message-ID: ifconfig "David Blevins" @mn-linux.org on 11/13/2001 11:10:55 AM Please respond to tclug-list@mn-linux.org Sent by: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org To: cc: Subject: [TCLUG] Listing the IP confugration What's the Linux equivalent to the Windows ipconfig command? Also, how do I do release/renews? David _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Tue Nov 13 16:59:58 2001 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backup Options In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15345.37961.679308.50163@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> I realize that this may not be very helpful, but are you really committed to CDs as backup. I thought I was, tried what seemed like a zillion packages, then gave up and bought a used SCSI tape drive for $2..... These seem to be kicking around various places for under $10.... About $50 of DATs later on + an install of taper, and I'm much happier. Best, R From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Nov 13 17:37:48 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Listing the IP confugration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011113163700.713f6893.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "David Blevins" wrote: > > What's the Linux equivalent to the Windows ipconfig command? Also, how > do I do release/renews? If your distribution uses pump, the essentially equivalent command would be `/sbin/pump --status'. Other information can be obtained from `/sbin/ifconfig'. Release and renew are fairly obvious with pump, just use the `--release' or `--renew' arguments. I'm not using a system with dhcpcd right now (the other common DHCP client), so I don't know what the commands for that are. Probably just look at the man page if you have that (man dhcpcd) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Error: Please clap hands 3 / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ times while chanting "I \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) believe," and try again. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011113/9f483964/attachment.pgp From natecars at real-time.com Tue Nov 13 17:41:33 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] laptop net cards - recommendation wanted In-Reply-To: <20011113210100.87DF44479@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > My suggestion, get some 802.11 gear. My former roomie had it, and it was a > hell of alot nicer than yet another cable. Just gotta make sure you run IPSec over it.. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From amy at real-time.com Tue Nov 13 17:51:01 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vmware, win2k, and memory allocations Message-ID: <20011113172622.B1358@real-time.com> is there any rule of thumb for how much memory to allocate to guest OS of vmware? can someone explain how vmware allocates the memory to the guest OS? thanks. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From jeffr at odeon.net Tue Nov 13 17:53:15 2001 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] laptop net cards - recommendation wanted In-Reply-To: <20011113141212.0dd506c1.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: The Ositech line of PCMCIA network cards (even their ethernet/modem combo cards) work very well too. Jeff On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > On Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:48:41 -0600 > "Paul Rech" wrote: > > > Anyone have the Netgear FA510C? What little I saw on google was good. > > > > buy.com mentions Linux in the description of the card, which is nice to > > see and makes me > > believe it's well supported. > > > > Any other cards that do well under Linux? > > I regularly use both the 3Com 3c589-D and the NewMedia ethernet > adapters in my laptop. Both cards are only 10baseT but they are > totally solid. If you are curious about support for a particular > make/model, go to your linux source tree (cd /usr/src/linux) run 'make > menuconfig' and browse through the PCMCIA network devices. > > There are of course PCMCIA and Network HOWTOs, but I suspect that the > supported devices get out of date quickly as new kernels emerge. > > Bill > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From simeonuj at nssmgmt.com Tue Nov 13 18:09:23 2001 From: simeonuj at nssmgmt.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Listing the IP confugration Message-ID: "ifconfig" will get you most of that. You will also want - "route -n" - Check routing i.e. default gateway n' stuff. "cat /etc/resolv.conf" - check your nameservers. I think this is standard in all distro's. The release/renew thing I'm not sure about. It may have something to do w/ pump (a dhpc program) or something like that. I would also like to know how to do this. If it's what I'm thinking of it releases a DHCP address and requests a new one. Although if your dhcp server is setup to keep a lease for so long and you try to change it will it give you a new address or the one already leased to your MAC address? Anyone know? To restart your network you can do a (RH based/SysV? Don't know about Debian) "/etc/rc.d/init.d/network restart" should work depending on the distro. What info are you trying to get? sim > What's the Linux equivalent to the Windows ipconfig command? Also, > how do I do release/renews? > > David From blayer at qwest.net Tue Nov 13 18:15:01 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Opera for Linux news In-Reply-To: <20011113205904.66B3A4479@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> References: <20011113131029.07c3f15b.blayer@qwest.net> <20011113205904.66B3A4479@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011113161045.1e713031.blayer@qwest.net> On Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:58:59 -0600 "Andy Zbikowski Zibby" wrote: > I definitly feel Opera was and is worth my money, even though I've moved away > from it to Mozilla on my desktop (mainly for plugin pruposes. If Opera plugin > support worked, I'd be there. But it was a no go in the Technology Preview. > Hope things are shaping up in the new betas.) Which plugins aren't working for you? I have Acrobat reader, Java, Flash etc.. they all work fine for me. Never a hitch.. This on 5.05 TP1. Bill From florin at iucha.net Tue Nov 13 18:28:08 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backup Options In-Reply-To: ; from nassarmu@redconcepts.net on Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 03:12:30PM -0600 References: <20011113141350.C31306@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20011113162510.E31306@beaver.iucha.org> On Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 03:12:30PM -0600, Munir Nassar wrote: > On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > 1. Make that partition xfs > > not really an option, Why? > i got lucky this time because i was using ext3 and i > was able to use toms root boot to recover... > > > 2. Make a cron job that xfsdumps it into a file, makes an iso and burns > > it at 4:00 am. > > 3. Put a sticker on you monitor reminding you to put a blank cd in when > > you go to bed. > > But this is exactly what i want to do, is there no utility that will do > this for ext2/3? dump, but you have to run it on an unmounted fs. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But does it really work? > >If you must get wired gear, look long and hard for something without a >dongle. :) > I was looking at those, but I figured I'd break the connector off and really be up the creek. You can replace a dongle. Paul From list at slushpupie.com Tue Nov 13 18:52:02 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vmware, win2k, and memory allocations In-Reply-To: <20011113172622.B1358@real-time.com> References: <20011113172622.B1358@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011114003045.HLLT731.femail24.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Depends on what you do. As you are emulating a full OS- it needs the full ammount of memory requitred for its job. For example- Windows runs best with at least 32M, so I would give a VM running windows 32M. How does it allocate memory? I havnt run VMWare in a while, but seems to me it just took the full chunk of requested memory out of the host memory, and allowed the guest OS access to it. Someone correct me if I am wrong. Jay On Tuesday 13 November 2001 05:26 pm, you wrote: > is there any rule of thumb for how much memory to allocate to guest > OS of vmware? can someone explain how vmware allocates the memory > to the guest OS? thanks. -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- Q: How do you catch a unique rabbit? A: Unique up on it! Q: How do you catch a tame rabbit? A: The tame way! From seg at haxxed.mine.nu Tue Nov 13 18:59:41 2001 From: seg at haxxed.mine.nu (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Turbo MO drive References: Message-ID: <3BF1A524.7040200@haxxed.mine.nu> Yaron wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, 11 Nov 2001, Scott Dier wrote: > > >>>So anyone want my TurboMO drive for $200 or so? >>> >>I just bought a comparable for under $50 on ebay. BTW. >> > > I've been trying to trade my MO for ages, no takers (: Well I tried to sell it on ebay but the !@#$ high bidder disappeared and didn't pay up so I was hoping to sell it locally. $150. Anyone? From hvidsl at parknicollet.com Tue Nov 13 19:03:21 2001 From: hvidsl at parknicollet.com (Hvidsten, Leif) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Listing the IP confugration Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > What's the Linux equivalent to the Windows ipconfig command? > Also, how do I > do release/renews? On SCO-UNIX it's /etc/ifconfig -a. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBO/GQMA0Fbeg2JuLNEQJwtQCfXitTsRD8tOMISF6qYcDUFsERzGwAnAsO 3WqAipEZpbftT6wmbZu44aI7 =ZX8/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- PRIVACY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain business confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If this e-mail was not intended for you, please notify the sender by reply e-mail that you received this in error. Destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Nov 13 19:04:51 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Listing the IP confugration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1005686717.2727.3.camel@titanium> On Tue, 2001-11-13 at 11:10, David Blevins wrote: > What's the Linux equivalent to the Windows ipconfig command? Also, how do I > do release/renews? HAHAHAH! WOOHOO! ROFLMAO! Sounds like someone needs to read up a little on http://www.linuxdoc.org These questions are very newbie-ish and you'd be best served doing a little leg work of your own. Please consult the link above, then when you've got a specific problem and you are informed enough to give us the appropriate information to help you, try again. We don't mind helping but you'll get alot farther if you can at least present the illusion of having researched the problem yourself. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I allocate 128MB for Win98SE in my own setup. I also have 512MB of real RAM to work with. > can someone explain how vmware allocates the memory > to the guest OS? thanks. AFAIK, vmware reserves all the RAM at the time you boot the virtual machine, but that should be easy enough to test. Have you considered searching the vmware-news archives for this information? Bill From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Nov 13 19:53:45 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backup Options In-Reply-To: <20011113141350.C31306@beaver.iucha.org> References: <20011113141350.C31306@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20011113190803.33e031f7.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "Florin Iucha" wrote: > > 1. Make that partition xfs I'll just say it for the sake of saying it. My brother had one partition go totally nuts with XFS. He had a lot of MP3s (and other music) on it, and the songs were still there, but the parts of the files ended up out-of-order. One song would suddenly transition to another song. Very strange. Then again, you might have great luck with XFS, and my brother is the only person I know who had trouble with it... -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ "Oh my God, they've found / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ me. I don't know how, but \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) they've found me." [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I prefer dongles, too.. as long as it's a reasonably decent quality dongle. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From rechpj at bitstream.net Tue Nov 13 19:57:06 2001 From: rechpj at bitstream.net (Paul Rech) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Listing the IP confugration References: <1005686717.2727.3.camel@titanium> Message-ID: <3BF1C744.5020901@bitstream.net> Ben Lutgens wrote: >On Tue, 2001-11-13 at 11:10, David Blevins wrote: > >>What's the Linux equivalent to the Windows ipconfig command? Also, how do I >>do release/renews? >> Here's another valuable resource. http://www.google.com/advanced_group_search?hl=en >> > >HAHAHAH! WOOHOO! ROFLMAO! > >Sounds like someone needs to read up a little on http://www.linuxdoc.org > >These questions are very newbie-ish and you'd be best served doing a >little leg work of your own. Please consult the link above, then when >you've got a specific problem and you are informed enough to give us the >appropriate information to help you, try again. > >We don't mind helping but you'll get alot farther if you can at least >present the illusion of having researched the problem yourself. > From rechpj at bitstream.net Tue Nov 13 21:08:49 2001 From: rechpj at bitstream.net (Paul Rech) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] laptop net cards - recommendation wanted References: Message-ID: <3BF1D461.6000808@bitstream.net> natecars@real-time.com wrote: > On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Paul Rech wrote: > (re 802.11b networking) > >>But does it really work? >> > > You bet. I use it all the time. I just looked up the Wireless HOWTO on LDP and it said the machines have to be visible to each other. That rules my home situation out. Can't find the old Linux Journal that had an article about setting up an 802.11 network. Anyone know which one it is? From jpschewe at mtu.net Tue Nov 13 21:20:16 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] recycling old kernel config In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Timothy Wilson writes: > Hi everyone, > > I just downloaded 2.4.14, but rather than go through each config option I'd > like to duplicate my 2.4.9 configuration. I know about 'make oldconfig' for > configuring a kernel, but I don't know if that will work for different > kernel versions or what I have to do to make it work. Any hints? In case you're not using Debian, just copy the config file over. It's /.config. On my machine that's /usr/src/kernel/linux-2.4.10/.config. That or when you create the configuration, use the Save to Alternate file and Load from Alternate File options to use another file. This allows you to keep a record of the configs you've been using. I haven't run into any problems copying config files across kernel versions as long as I run make menuconfig or xconfig once on the file, just to make sure all the options are set. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From dmblevins at mediaone.net Tue Nov 13 22:47:21 2001 From: dmblevins at mediaone.net (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Proper way to connect LANs Message-ID: I spent all day reading about gateways, routing, etc. in order to setup Linux as my gateway. I actually got it setup, but from what I understand the approach I tried is terribly insecure. I did this and got it running: # echo 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward # ipchains -F # ipchains -P forward ACCEPT # ipchains -A forward -s 192.168.1.0/24 -d 0/0 -j MASQ That works, but everything is reset when I restart my network. And, as I read, this is apparently insecure. What is the proper way to do this? We'll use these numbers as an example of my net config: eth0 192.168.1.1 # The LAN obviously. eth1 24.32.5.105 # The DHCP assigned WAN IP Thanks, David From jts at tc.umn.edu Tue Nov 13 22:48:30 2001 From: jts at tc.umn.edu (Joel T Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Birds of a Feather (BoF) In-Reply-To: <200111131728.fADHSNT19736@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Nov 2001 Bob Tanner wrote: > So, I have been throwing around the idea of having BoF meetings at Real Time. Sounds great. Count me in! Comments: Would it make sense to have a primary topic for each BOF? A master of ceremonies to help facilitate orderly discussion? A panel of experts? Adjust the level of formality, depending on the number of people involved? Side note: Is anyone else here thinking about attending the upcoming LinuxWorld Conference & Expo in NYC (http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/)? Joel From kelly-black at attbroadband.com Tue Nov 13 23:01:12 2001 From: kelly-black at attbroadband.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Birds of a Feather (BoF) In-Reply-To: <20011113061113.A27455@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> References: <20011113020818.N6227@real-time.com> <20011113061113.A27455@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Message-ID: <01111321174700.05617@edith> Sounds great! I would not be up for Tuesdays or Thursdays, but would like to try to make a few! Kelly Black On Tuesday 13 November 2001 06:11, you wrote: > On Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 02:08:18AM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > > So, I have been throwing around the idea of having BoF meetings at Real > > Time. These would be something on the order of every other week. We'd sit > > in the back office common room and just talk about technology. It would > > be open to all. > > > > Along side the BoF meeting would be a mini-installfest in the other back > > offices. Again these would be on the order of every other week, but > > because space is scare back there, it would be a registration thing. > > > > I'm posting here to see what the level of interest would be like. > > > > Comments? > > Sounds like a good idea. Turn on the coffee pot, sit around and talk. > How scarce is the space? How many LUGers can squeeze in at once? From jts at tc.umn.edu Tue Nov 13 23:17:38 2001 From: jts at tc.umn.edu (Joel T Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Opera for Linux news In-Reply-To: <200111132131.fADLV2T23449@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Nov 2001 Bill Layer wrote: > we all need a browser the caliber of Opera or M$IE to enjoy our web > experiences to the fullest. My $0.02, after having just visited http://counter.li.org/: http://www.anybrowser.org/campaign/ Nothing against Opera, though. In fact, I know a guy who prefers to use Opera under Windows instead of IE. Apparently, IE is not without its problems, even if you don't care much about the infamous IE security holes. Joel From clay at fandre.com Tue Nov 13 23:21:46 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Bruce Schneier talk on DMCA this Thursday Message-ID: <20011113084522.C27406@fandre.com> This isn't a TCLUG meeting, but it's related to Linux... ******************************************************************************* Bruce Schneier to speak about the DMCA "Welcome to 21st Century America, where the profits of the major record labels, movie houses, and publishing companies are more important than First Amendment rights." When: November 15, 7:00 Where: Malcolm Moos Health Sciences Tower, room 2-690 515 Delaware Street SE University of Minnesota Minneapolis, MN 55455 ******************************************************************************* More info here: http://www.mn-linux.org/events/ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From rahrenstorff at yahoo.com Tue Nov 13 23:22:34 2001 From: rahrenstorff at yahoo.com (Rodd Ahrenstorff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Birds of a Feather (BoF) In-Reply-To: <20011113020818.N6227@real-time.com> References: <20011113020818.N6227@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200111131615.fADGF5T18957@sprite.real-time.com> I really like this idea. I am new to linux and realize "newbies" do a lot of "take..take..take" without much "give", but I would hope to add something of value to such a discussion while listening and learning from the experts. I'm willing to share any resources I have at my disposal. Since time is a limited quantity and so forth, this might just be the best bang for the buck. On Tuesday 13 November 2001 02:08 am, you wrote: > So, I have been throwing around the idea of having BoF meetings at Real > Time. These would be something on the order of every other week. We'd sit > in the back office common room and just talk about technology. It would be > open to all. > > Comments? _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From jack at jacku.com Tue Nov 13 23:27:07 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] laptop net cards - recommendation wanted In-Reply-To: <3BF1B41C.1030909@bitstream.net> References: <20011113210100.87DF44479@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> <3BF1B41C.1030909@bitstream.net> Message-ID: <01111322232201.00851@geezer> On Tuesday 13 November 2001 18:00, you wrote: > Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >Hash: SHA1 > > > >My suggestion, get some 802.11 gear. My former roomie had it, and it > > was a > > >hell of alot nicer than yet another cable. > > I was hoping no one would say this. > But this is what I should do. I just spent hours on my home network wiring > after adding another computer in another area of the house. The wiring is > a royal mess as I have a lot of wood paneling that you can't cut and patch > like drywall. > > But does it really work? > > >If you must get wired gear, look long and hard for something without a > >dongle. :) > > I was looking at those, but I figured I'd break the connector off and > really be up the creek. > You can replace a dongle. > > Paul I haven't gone to 802.11 on my latop but I did on my wife's system. Just when we were moving into our house (new for us but 90+ years old) Best Buy was clearing out the SoHoWare Netblaster II stuff. I got one PCI card (nice because it comes with an antenna) and an access point for about $200 total. I wish I had purchased a PCMCIA card at the time. Then I could surf from the deck! I saw mention of line-of-sight in one of the posts. Not true. I used to run 2Mb 802.11 webgear cards on three seperate floors in Duluth with no problems. As far as wired net cards I swear by Linksys and D-Link (both dongles). I used to use thinwire so I have combo cards. On one the plastic part of the socket broke so it was hit or miss sometimes. Eventually it just died. But my other two have worked flawlessy in several laptops. NE2000 compatible and supported by the card services included with SuSE. (I think I ran Caldera on one of the laptops at one point and it worked well also.) -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From jpschewe at mtu.net Tue Nov 13 23:27:59 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HP IIP prints dollar sign as box Message-ID: Yes this isn't Linux specific, but searches on HP's site and Google don't yield much, so maybe someone here has seen this problem. I just got an old HP IIP and when it prints dollar signs show up as little boxes instead of $. Any ideas where to look to fix this? Thanks. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org Tue Nov 13 23:33:12 2001 From: josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: ATAPI zip In-Reply-To: <20011113194650.OLHK5495.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@there> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Carl, I don't have a devfs linux kernel around to verify this with but here's how I remember doing this. You *don't* create the device node in /dev. Do it in /root or /tmp. The thing is, all you have to do is do some IO and devfs will notice the drive. Here's an idea: FILE=/root/tmp/hd?? mknod $FILE b ? ?? dd if=$FILE of=/dev/null bs=1 count=1 rm $FILE Obviously that does absolutely nothing of any real interest *except* force the system to actually look for something at that device node. You'll notice a matching /dev/hd?? symlink will have just appeared. It's magic. Joshua b. Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 http://www.greentechnologist.org On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Carl Zeilon wrote: > OK, here is the latest of the zip saga. By issuing "mknod /dev/hdb4 b 3 68" > everything works great! AFAIK there is a problem with devfs & the ide-floppy > module. Nobody on the Mandrake forum seems to know how to make this "stick" > though (I tried adding it to /etc/rc.d/rc.local). All these fixes have to be > rerun after rebooting or just logging out. The best suggestion I heard is > changing the configuration to use the ide-scsi module (just like the old > days). Unfortunately, I wasn't around for those days & don't know how to do > it. Does this sound like a good option? Anybody want to walk me through it? > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE78d2CfexLsowstzcRArCfAKCiMoxJI02+V4DdJV/La+G8qc2yZgCg8ggt xv2wds5xx/pAxXYFghX2C9c= =JRUi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From blayer at qwest.net Wed Nov 14 01:12:43 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] laptop net cards - recommendation wanted In-Reply-To: <3BF1B41C.1030909@bitstream.net> References: <20011113210100.87DF44479@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> <3BF1B41C.1030909@bitstream.net> Message-ID: <20011114003148.470096e8.blayer@qwest.net> On Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:00:28 -0600 "Paul Rech" wrote: > I was hoping no one would say this. > But this is what I should do. I just spent hours on my home network wiring > after adding another computer in another area of the house. The wiring is a > royal mess as I have a lot of wood paneling that you can't cut and patch > like drywall. > > But does it really work? Sure, for MANY times the cost of wired, and with still undetermined security issues. Stick with wires until the 802.11 stuff is more mature. And with cables, you know *exactly* what the limit of range is ;) (That is a big IMO.) > >If you must get wired gear, look long and hard for something without a > >dongle. :) > > > > I was looking at those, but I figured I'd break the connector off and > really be up the creek. > You can replace a dongle. You figure right. I cringe at those flimsy X-jacks; I've already got a bad (intermittent) one on a modem card... dongle or cable all the way for me. Bill From clay at fandre.com Wed Nov 14 02:04:17 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Installfest Announcement Message-ID: <20011113213038.C4369@fandre.com> What: TCLUG Installfest When: Saturday, December 8th, 2001 Where: CodeWeavers, Inc. 2550 University Ave West Suite 313N St. Paul, MN 55114 How much: Free For who: Everyone!!! Please register on the website if you plan on attending: http://www.mn-linux.org/installfest/registration.php For more information on the Installfest, visit the TCLUG website: http://www.mn-linux.org/installfest/ Hope to see you there. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Nov 14 03:38:11 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Listing the IP confugration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011114024828.W6681@ringworld.org> * David Blevins [011113 15:24]: > What's the Linux equivalent to the Windows ipconfig command? Also, how do I > do release/renews? Ifconfig. If using debian and you have your interface setup for dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces, just use ifup/ifdown: ifdown eth0 ifup eth0 -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Just say NO to Product Activation! From tanner at real-time.com Wed Nov 14 06:03:34 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gabber tunnelled through ssh? Message-ID: <20011114045919.E14578@real-time.com> Anyone been able to tunnel gabber through ssh? I tried this: private% ssh -L 5222:jabber.com:5222 public public% In other xterm: private% gabber (with host set to localhost, port 5222) -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From clay at fandre.com Wed Nov 14 08:48:22 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gabber tunnelled through ssh? In-Reply-To: <20011114045919.E14578@real-time.com> References: <20011114045919.E14578@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011114081347.C18569@fandre.com> That should work since jabber uses a single connection for everything. What problems are you having? Add the -v option to ssh to get more info. Are you sure that's the correct port? BTW, you can use -N option to just forward ports. -N Do not execute a remote command. This is useful if you just want to forward ports (protocol version 2 only). On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Anyone been able to tunnel gabber through ssh? > > I tried this: > > private% ssh -L 5222:jabber.com:5222 public > public% > > In other xterm: > > private% gabber (with host set to localhost, port 5222) > > -- > Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dacross at nwc.edu Wed Nov 14 08:49:04 2001 From: dacross at nwc.edu (David Cross) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat 7.2 ports Message-ID: <004c01c16d17$4d3ec800$1c4f56c7@sequoia> I'm pretty new to Linux, so please pardon me if a few links of the chain are missing. I've recently installed RH 7.2 and I was impressed to see that only one port is open compared to the twelve open ports of a default Windows 2000 installation. During the install I specified only medium firewall rules while selecting web and ftp ports to be open. However, those ports are not open. I've installed Apache to begin with but I can't reach it from outside the machine. What config file(s) do I need to edit to open those ports? Thanks in advance. David Cross -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I've installed Apache to begin with but I can't reach it from outside the machine. What config file(s) do I need to edit to open those ports? Thanks in advance. David Cross -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011114/cdcc4dd8/attachment.html From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Wed Nov 14 09:46:41 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Proper way to connect LANs In-Reply-To: ; from dmblevins@mediaone.net on Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 09:07:54PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011114090358.A21499@trammell.dyndns.org> On Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 09:07:54PM -0600, David Blevins wrote: > I spent all day reading about gateways, routing, etc. in order to setup > Linux as my gateway. I actually got it setup, but from what I understand > the approach I tried is terribly insecure. > > I did this and got it running: > # echo 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward > # ipchains -F > # ipchains -P forward ACCEPT > # ipchains -A forward -s 192.168.1.0/24 -d 0/0 -j MASQ > > That works, but everything is reset when I restart my network. And, as I > read, this is apparently insecure. > > What is the proper way to do this? > > We'll use these numbers as an example of my net config: > eth0 192.168.1.1 # The LAN obviously. > eth1 24.32.5.105 # The DHCP assigned WAN IP > If you're using Debian, get the ipmasq package. Great stuff. -- johntrammell@yahoo.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Amy Tanner @mn-linux.org on 11/13/2001 05:26:22 PM Please respond to tclug-list@mn-linux.org Sent by: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org cc: Subject: [TCLUG] vmware, win2k, and memory allocations is there any rule of thumb for how much memory to allocate to guest OS of vmware? can someone explain how vmware allocates the memory to the guest OS? thanks. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Wed Nov 14 10:53:34 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] laptop net cards - recommendation wanted In-Reply-To: <3BF1D461.6000808@bitstream.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Paul Rech wrote: > I just looked up the Wireless HOWTO on LDP and it said the machines have > to be visible to each other. > > That rules my home situation out. Eh? Wireless works fine in most houses, even without line of sight.. I've got a cheap D-Link AP at home covering both floors of the house, no problem. If you got a really big house, get a WAP11 or a Cisco AP and hang an external omni off the antenna port, or use multiple AP's.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Nov 14 10:54:40 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] something like intermapper for linux? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D072@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Ok, Intermapper (http://www.intermapper.com/ ) is probably one of the most useful network monitoring tools I've ever used. Except, it only runs on Mac, and there are no plans to port it to another OS. If you have an extra Mac laying around, you should really grab a demo copy and check it out. Anyway, is there anything like this for linux? I already know about netsaint and use it, but it doesn't even come close to intermapper. In fact, I've never seen anything that comes close to Intermapper. You really have to try it out on a large network to get a feel for how good it is. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Raymond Norton [mailto:ray@lctn.k12.mn.us] Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 8:56 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Redhat 7.2 ports You probably need to modify or disable ipchains. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Cross To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 8:18 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat 7.2 ports I'm pretty new to Linux, so please pardon me if a few links of the chain are missing. I've recently installed RH 7.2 and I was impressed to see that only one port is open compared to the twelve open ports of a default Windows 2000 installation. During the install I specified only medium firewall rules while selecting web and ftp ports to be open. However, those ports are not open. I've installed Apache to begin with but I can't reach it from outside the machine. What config file(s) do I need to edit to open those ports? Thanks in advance. David Cross -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011114/ddeecd2e/attachment.html From amy at real-time.com Wed Nov 14 11:15:55 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Proper way to connect LANs In-Reply-To: ; from dmblevins@mediaone.net on Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 09:07:54PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011114095152.G1358@real-time.com> On Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 09:07:54PM -0600, David Blevins (dmblevins@mediaone.net) wrote: > I spent all day reading about gateways, routing, etc. in order to setup > Linux as my gateway. I actually got it setup, but from what I understand > the approach I tried is terribly insecure. > > I did this and got it running: > # echo 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward > # ipchains -F > # ipchains -P forward ACCEPT > # ipchains -A forward -s 192.168.1.0/24 -d 0/0 -j MASQ > > That works, but everything is reset when I restart my network. And, as I > read, this is apparently insecure. You need to put your firewall rules in your init script so everytime ipchains is started, it sets those rules. Either put it in /etc/rc.d.init.d/ipchains or put it in a separate file and have the init script read in the rules. I recommend a separate file. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From chrome at real-time.com Wed Nov 14 11:24:33 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] laptop net cards - recommendation wanted In-Reply-To: <3BF1D461.6000808@bitstream.net>; from rechpj@bitstream.net on Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 08:18:09PM -0600 References: <3BF1D461.6000808@bitstream.net> Message-ID: <20011114095739.B6609@real-time.com> > >>But does it really work? I have to admit, that even after being around Nate's unbridled enthusiasm, and helping him play with some of the stuff he's gotten; I still mistrust the whole buisness. :) I'd rather run cable if at all possible. Like Bill said, that way you know the limit of your range. :) (you also have a pretty good idea that people aren't snooping your connection, without the hassle of setting up IPSec and the like). It's also cheaper, capable of higher speed, and less prone to interference (yeah, they say it's gotten better lately; but I'm not fully convinced). > I just looked up the Wireless HOWTO on LDP and it said the machines have > to be visible to each other. nope. walls will degrade the signal; but won't stop it. you should be able to go throughout a house, no problem. just don't try it in a warehouse full of car parts. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Wed Nov 14 11:25:39 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backup Options In-Reply-To: ; from nassarmu@redconcepts.net on Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 03:12:30PM -0600 References: <20011113141350.C31306@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20011114100134.C6609@real-time.com> > But this is exactly what i want to do, is there no utility that will do > this for ext2/3? tar, cpio, afio. (afio is supposedly like cpio; but writes archives in a more durable fashion... better able to recover corrupted archives). you might want to look into afbackup. (afbackup.sourceforge.net). I think it might support some of the things you want. Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Nov 14 11:26:31 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Proper way to connect LANs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011114100128.1ec58a8d.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "David Blevins" wrote: > > I spent all day reading about gateways, routing, etc. in order to setup > Linux as my gateway. I actually got it setup, but from what I > understand the approach I tried is terribly insecure. > > I did this and got it running: > # echo 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward > # ipchains -F > # ipchains -P forward ACCEPT ^^^^^^ This is one supposedly insecure bit. You should use DENY there instead. > # ipchains -A forward -s 192.168.1.0/24 -d 0/0 -j MASQ For the above command, you should also make sure that you are only masquerading for 192.168.1.0/24 on your internal interface, eth0. Otherwise, there is a chance that packets could get routed from the outside interface back into your network (I think the kernel is supposed to check for this in most cases, but it's always good to be certain..) > That works, but everything is reset when I restart my network. In the olden days, this stuff would end up in the rc.local script, though most distributions don't have that anymore (AFAIK). I think RedHat (and probably friends) will look for an ipchains config file on boot, and will load it if it exists. Open up /etc/init.d/ipchains (if it exists) and look at what config file it's looking for. If the file is /etc/network/ipchains, just save your configuration before rebooting: /sbin/ipchains-save > /etc/network/ipchains -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Try? Try not. Do, or do / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ not. There is no try. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011114/234fb8ca/attachment.pgp From dieman at ringworld.org Wed Nov 14 11:43:30 2001 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wireless security goes mainstream Message-ID: <20011114105955.Y6681@ringworld.org> http://www.sanction.net/ Theres a WCCO report there, they think that this is *gasp* new stuff. Sadly, they make it appear that its UMN's problem that one of the schools. Also, WCCO used it to freak people out by claiming that identity theft and other incidius things will happen to people. This assumes people are stupid enough to use 'dumb' service providers for the rest of their real life activities. Perhaps we need to be fixing that instead of our WLANS, eh? Anyhow, I propose that people try contacting both WCCO and sanction and try and get the TCWUG (www.tcwug.org) list out there to normal users, to keep these 'security professionals' (who go onto other peoples networks, view files, print on their printer, and gain private information without permission) from profiting from such sensationalism and to allow users and admins to create a local peer group on these issues. Thanks. (subs to tcwug right now....) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Just say NO to Product Activation! From hvidsl at parknicollet.com Wed Nov 14 11:58:27 2001 From: hvidsl at parknicollet.com (Hvidsten, Leif) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat 7.2 ports Message-ID: On Unix it's /etc/inetd.conf and just remove the '#' from in front of the port you want to enable. I think on RH 7.2 xinetd.conf is used, so it's probably just the same procedure; I'm new to Linux as well so I'm not totally sure. I think you'll want to reinitialize the inetd daemon afterwards. -----Original Message----- From: David Cross [mailto:dacross@nwc.edu] Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 8:19 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat 7.2 ports I'm pretty new to Linux, so please pardon me if a few links of the chain are missing. I've recently installed RH 7.2 and I was impressed to see that only one port is open compared to the twelve open ports of a default Windows 2000 installation. During the install I specified only medium firewall rules while selecting web and ftp ports to be open. However, those ports are not open. I've installed Apache to begin with but I can't reach it from outside the machine. What config file(s) do I need to edit to open those ports? Thanks in advance. David Cross PRIVACY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain business confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If this e-mail was not intended for you, please notify the sender by reply e-mail that you received this in error. Destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. From natecars at real-time.com Wed Nov 14 11:59:23 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] laptop net cards - recommendation wanted In-Reply-To: <20011114095739.B6609@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > I have to admit, that even after being around Nate's unbridled > enthusiasm, and helping him play with some of the stuff he's gotten; I still > mistrust the whole buisness. :) I'd rather run cable if at all possible. > Like Bill said, that way you know the limit of your range. :) (you also have > a pretty good idea that people aren't snooping your connection, without the > hassle of setting up IPSec and the like). It's also cheaper, capable of > higher speed, and less prone to interference (yeah, they say it's gotten > better lately; but I'm not fully convinced). Oh, yeah, I agree 100% -- if you're in a place where you can run cable, run cable. I'd probably never use wireless as my primary network for desktops.. I just love being able to grab a laptop, go out on the lawn, and work. (during the summer, that is!) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From simeonuj at nssmgmt.com Wed Nov 14 12:07:29 2001 From: simeonuj at nssmgmt.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Proper way to connect LANs Message-ID: A few pointers. > I spent all day reading about gateways, routing, etc. in order to > setup > Linux as my gateway. I actually got it setup, but from what I > understand > the approach I tried is terribly insecure. > > I did this and got it running: > # echo 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward > # ipchains -F > # ipchains -P forward ACCEPT > This is a security problem. Default policy should always be deny unless there's a real good reason. ipchains -P forward DENY > # ipchains -A forward -s 192.168.1.0/24 -d 0/0 -j MASQ > That's fine. > That works, but everything is reset when I restart my network. And, > as I > read, this is apparently insecure. > Reset? What do you mean? From jamie_seeman at securecomputing.com Wed Nov 14 12:10:46 2001 From: jamie_seeman at securecomputing.com (Jamie Seeman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat 7.2 ports References: <004c01c16d17$4d3ec800$1c4f56c7@sequoia> <0c1a01c16d1c$8734c960$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> Message-ID: <3BF2A14C.8A0208E3@securecomputing.com> From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Nov 14 12:42:11 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] laptop net cards - recommendation wanted In-Reply-To: <20011114095739.B6609@real-time.com> References: <3BF1D461.6000808@bitstream.net> <20011114095739.B6609@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1005759998.6495.0.camel@titanium> On Wed, 2001-11-14 at 09:57, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > >>But does it really work? > I have to admit, that even after being around Nate's unbridled > enthusiasm, and helping him play with some of the stuff he's gotten; I still > mistrust the whole buisness. :) I'd rather run cable if at all possible. > Like Bill said, that way you know the limit of your range. :) (you also have > a pretty good idea that people aren't snooping your connection, without the > hassle of setting up IPSec and the like). It's also cheaper, capable of > higher speed, and less prone to interference (yeah, they say it's gotten > better lately; but I'm not fully convinced). For most home use it's not exactly a big deal. I never connect to my machines at work while on wireless without IPSec, and it's kinda tough for people to sniff out my key becuase I only have my access point on when I'm using it, which isn't real often (mostly only when I'm in the kitchen and wanna play mp3's off my laptop, or feel like surfing from the can or my deck :-) > > > I just looked up the Wireless HOWTO on LDP and it said the machines have > > to be visible to each other. > nope. walls will degrade the signal; but won't stop it. you should > be able to go throughout a house, no problem. just don't try it in a > warehouse full of car parts. :) Actually metal isn't nearly as bad as something like a bundle of electrical wires, a cluster of cat-3 punch blocks and stuff like that. I've never had a problem in my house though. > > Carl Soderstrom > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011114/262ac63d/attachment.pgp From veldy at veldy.net Wed Nov 14 12:46:18 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat 7.2 ports References: <004c01c16d17$4d3ec800$1c4f56c7@sequoia> <0c1a01c16d1c$8734c960$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> Message-ID: <00d001c16d35$15b37020$3028680a@tgt.com> Why does Redhat continue to use ipchains with the 2.4 kernels? Shouldn't they be using iptables now? Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Raymond Norton To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Redhat 7.2 ports You probably need to modify or disable ipchains. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Cross To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 8:18 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat 7.2 ports I'm pretty new to Linux, so please pardon me if a few links of the chain are missing. I've recently installed RH 7.2 and I was impressed to see that only one port is open compared to the twelve open ports of a default Windows 2000 installation. During the install I specified only medium firewall rules while selecting web and ftp ports to be open. However, those ports are not open. I've installed Apache to begin with but I can't reach it from outside the machine. What config file(s) do I need to edit to open those ports? Thanks in advance. David Cross From churchill_dan at htc.honeywell.com Wed Nov 14 13:02:42 2001 From: churchill_dan at htc.honeywell.com (Churchill, Dan (MN65)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat 7.2 ports Message-ID: It's very doubtful that you'll have to worry about inetd or xinetd under RedHat. The standard config for this is usually acceptable to most users. Unless RedHat has changed it since 7.1, the ipchains configuration is located in /etc/sysconfig/network/ipchains. This is where you will want to open or close network ports. This file just contains rules for the firewall, one to a line, exactly as you would type them by using the ipchains command, except you give only the options to the command (the startup script will provide the rest). You could use ipchains-save to create this file as Mike suggested, but I prefer to edit it by hand. That way you can include comments in the file about which ports you're opening up and why. Just be aware that if there are any typos in the file, the ipchains command will fail for any mistyped rules. Also, after changing this file, you will either need to reboot, or execute "service ipchains restart" to reload the rules from the config file. Ipchains is easy to understand if you have even just a small amount knowledge of nteworking and firewalls. The manpage for ipchains is a good place to start. You might also want to read the IPCHAINS-HOWTO, available at http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/IPCHAINS-HOWTO.html. Good luck! Dan Churchill ---- The views expressed in this message are those of the sender, and do not represent in any way the views or positions of Honeywell or its affiliates. > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Hvidsten, Leif > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 11:29 AM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Redhat 7.2 ports > > > On Unix it's /etc/inetd.conf and just remove the '#' from in > front of the port you want to enable. I think on RH 7.2 > xinetd.conf is used, so it's probably just the same > procedure; I'm new to Linux as well so I'm not totally sure. > I think you'll want to reinitialize the inetd daemon afterwards. > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Cross [mailto:dacross@nwc.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 8:19 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat 7.2 ports > > > I'm pretty new to Linux, so please pardon me if a few links > of the chain are missing. I've recently installed RH 7.2 and > I was impressed to see that only one port is open compared to > the twelve open ports of a default Windows 2000 installation. > During the install I specified only medium firewall rules > while selecting web and ftp ports to be open. However, those > ports are not open. I've installed Apache to begin with but I > can't reach it from outside the machine. > > What config file(s) do I need to edit to open those ports? > > Thanks in advance. > > David Cross > From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Nov 14 13:03:41 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat 7.2 ports In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Actually in RedHat if you look under /etc/xinetd.d/ you will find a bunch of files which are named after individual services, edit the files and remove the disable = yes line to enabe the service... if the service you want is not there you will have to write your own file using one of the existing ones as a template... go to www.xinetd.org for more information or if you need to do something out of the ordinary... -munir On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Hvidsten, Leif wrote: > On Unix it's /etc/inetd.conf and just remove the '#' from in front of the port you want to enable. I think on RH 7.2 xinetd.conf is used, so it's probably just the same procedure; I'm new to Linux as well so I'm not totally sure. I think you'll want to reinitialize the inetd daemon afterwards. > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Cross [mailto:dacross@nwc.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 8:19 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat 7.2 ports > > > I'm pretty new to Linux, so please pardon me if a few links of the chain are missing. I've recently installed RH 7.2 and I was impressed to see that only one port is open compared to the twelve open ports of a default Windows 2000 installation. During the install I specified only medium firewall rules while selecting web and ftp ports to be open. However, those ports are not open. I've installed Apache to begin with but I can't reach it from outside the machine. > > What config file(s) do I need to edit to open those ports? > > Thanks in advance. > > David Cross > > > PRIVACY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain business confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If this e-mail was not intended for you, please notify the sender by reply e-mail that you received this in error. Destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- From dmblevins at mediaone.net Wed Nov 14 13:06:59 2001 From: dmblevins at mediaone.net (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Proper way to connect LANs In-Reply-To: <20011114090358.A21499@trammell.dyndns.org> Message-ID: Using Red Hat. > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of John J. Trammell > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 9:04 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Proper way to connect LANs > > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 09:07:54PM -0600, David Blevins wrote: > > I spent all day reading about gateways, routing, etc. in order to setup > > Linux as my gateway. I actually got it setup, but from what I > understand > > the approach I tried is terribly insecure. > > > > I did this and got it running: > > # echo 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward > > # ipchains -F > > # ipchains -P forward ACCEPT > > # ipchains -A forward -s 192.168.1.0/24 -d 0/0 -j MASQ > > > > That works, but everything is reset when I restart my network. > And, as I > > read, this is apparently insecure. > > > > What is the proper way to do this? > > > > We'll use these numbers as an example of my net config: > > eth0 192.168.1.1 # The LAN obviously. > > eth1 24.32.5.105 # The DHCP assigned WAN IP > > > > If you're using Debian, get the ipmasq package. Great stuff. > > -- > johntrammell@yahoo.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > From uak at nerp.net Wed Nov 14 13:07:45 2001 From: uak at nerp.net (Ursula A. Kallio) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] humor... M$ add altered In-Reply-To: <20011113213038.C4369@fandre.com> Message-ID: http://freespace.virgin.net/andrew.harrison4/ uak From cznews at att.net Wed Nov 14 13:08:38 2001 From: cznews at att.net (Carl Zeilon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: ATAPI zip Message-ID: <20011114183340.JLBH5495.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@there> Thanks Joshua, it sounds like you have handle on this situation. All I have to do is iron out the details. Here's what happened: [root@localhost carl]# FILE=/root/tmp/hdb4 [root@localhost carl]# mknod $FILE b 3 68 [root@localhost carl]# dd if=$FILE of=/dev/null bs=1 count=1 dd: opening `/root/tmp/hdb4': Input/output error [root@localhost carl]# rm $FILE rm: remove `/root/tmp/hdb4'? y [root@localhost carl]# I hope I input this the way you were looking for. Could you explain in a little simpler terms what I'm doing here? I'm very new to the Linux command line. I read the mans, but don't quite get it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Carl, I don't have a devfs linux kernel around to verify this with but here's how I remember doing this. You *don't* create the device node in /dev. Do it in /root or /tmp. The thing is, all you have to do is do some IO and devfs will notice the drive. Here's an idea: FILE=/root/tmp/hd?? mknod $FILE b ? ?? dd if=$FILE of=/dev/null bs=1 count=1 rm $FILE Obviously that does absolutely nothing of any real interest *except* force the system to actually look for something at that device node. You'll notice a matching /dev/hd?? symlink will have just appeared. It's magic. Joshua b. Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 http://www.greentechnologist.org On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Carl Zeilon wrote: > OK, here is the latest of the zip saga. By issuing "mknod /dev/hdb4 b 3 68" > everything works great! AFAIK there is a problem with devfs & the ide-floppy > module. Nobody on the Mandrake forum seems to know how to make this "stick" > though (I tried adding it to /etc/rc.d/rc.local). All these fixes have to be > rerun after rebooting or just logging out. The best suggestion I heard is > changing the configuration to use the ide-scsi module (just like the old > days). Unfortunately, I wasn't around for those days & don't know how to do > it. Does this sound like a good option? Anybody want to walk me through it? > Thanks From hvidsl at parknicollet.com Wed Nov 14 13:52:41 2001 From: hvidsl at parknicollet.com (Hvidsten, Leif) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat 7.2 ports Message-ID: I believe iptables is implemented in 7.2. > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas T. Veldhouse [mailto:veldy@veldy.net] > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 11:52 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Redhat 7.2 ports > > > Why does Redhat continue to use ipchains with the 2.4 > kernels? Shouldn't > they be using iptables now? > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Raymond Norton > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 8:56 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Redhat 7.2 ports > > > You probably need to modify or disable ipchains. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Cross > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 8:18 AM > Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat 7.2 ports > > > I'm pretty new to Linux, so please pardon me if a few links > of the chain are > missing. I've recently installed RH 7.2 and I was impressed > to see that only > one port is open compared to the twelve open ports of a > default Windows 2000 > installation. During the install I specified only medium > firewall rules > while selecting web and ftp ports to be open. However, those > ports are not > open. I've installed Apache to begin with but I can't reach > it from outside > the machine. > > What config file(s) do I need to edit to open those ports? > > Thanks in advance. > > David Cross > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > PRIVACY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain business confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If this e-mail was not intended for you, please notify the sender by reply e-mail that you received this in error. Destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Nov 14 14:02:31 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backup Options In-Reply-To: <20011114100134.C6609@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > But this is exactly what i want to do, is there no utility that will do > > this for ext2/3? > > tar, cpio, afio. (afio is supposedly like cpio; but writes archives in a > more durable fashion... better able to recover corrupted archives). > > you might want to look into afbackup. (afbackup.sourceforge.net). I think it > might support some of the things you want. it looks great and it have a neat installer hand but it doesnt support CD/RWs, and the only take device that i currently have is an old IoMEGA Ditto 2GB which i have never tried, have no tapes for and requires the ftape utilities/drivers -munir > > Carl Soderstrom. > -- From gabe at msi.umn.edu Wed Nov 14 14:03:16 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat 7.2 ports In-Reply-To: ; from nassarmu@redconcepts.net on Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 12:32:02PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011114131226.C23466@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> On Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 12:32:02PM -0600, Munir Nassar wrote: > Actually in RedHat if you look under /etc/xinetd.d/ you will find a bunch > of files which are named after individual services, edit the files and > remove the disable = yes line to enabe the service... if the service you > want is not there you will have to write your own file using one of the > existing ones as a template... Editing those files isn't actually necessary. RedHat has made it easy by making them all 'chkconfig-able'. Run chkconfig --list You should see the services in /etc/xinetd.d/ listed. Then you can just chkconfig ftp on for example, then run /etc/init.d/xinetd restart Essentially all it does is modify the 'disable' line in /etc/xinetd.d/ftp. Gabe -- Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu From josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org Wed Nov 14 14:06:40 2001 From: josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: ATAPI zip In-Reply-To: <20011114183340.JLBH5495.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@there> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 What I typed works better in a shell script but it appeared to be ok for you too. So tell me, did it work for you? If it did, put that into a script and run it once on boot. It's a stupid hack for that bug. So here's what you are really doing. (a) create a device node to point to whatever needs pointing to (b) read a bit from the device and throw away the result. It doesn't matter if there is a disc in the drive or not. The point is to do the read. (c) remove that device node. You could write that dd command as: dd if=$FILE bs=1 count=1 >/dev/null 2>&1 to make the errors go away also. Joshua b. Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 http://www.greentechnologist.org On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Carl Zeilon wrote: > Thanks Joshua, it sounds like you have handle on this situation. All I have > to do is iron out the details. Here's what happened: > > [root@localhost carl]# FILE=/root/tmp/hdb4 > [root@localhost carl]# mknod $FILE b 3 68 > [root@localhost carl]# dd if=$FILE of=/dev/null bs=1 count=1 > dd: opening `/root/tmp/hdb4': Input/output error > [root@localhost carl]# rm $FILE > rm: remove `/root/tmp/hdb4'? y > [root@localhost carl]# > > I hope I input this the way you were looking for. Could you explain in a > little simpler terms what I'm doing here? I'm very new to the Linux command > line. I read the mans, but don't quite get it. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Carl, > I don't have a devfs linux kernel around to verify this with but here's > how I remember doing this. You *don't* create the device node in /dev. Do > it in /root or /tmp. The thing is, all you have to do is do some IO and > devfs will notice the drive. > > Here's an idea: > > FILE=/root/tmp/hd?? > mknod $FILE b ? ?? > dd if=$FILE of=/dev/null bs=1 count=1 > rm $FILE > > Obviously that does absolutely nothing of any real interest *except* > force the system to actually look for something at that device node. > You'll notice a matching /dev/hd?? symlink will have just appeared. It's > magic. > > Joshua b. Jore > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > http://www.greentechnologist.org > > On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Carl Zeilon wrote: > > > OK, here is the latest of the zip saga. By issuing "mknod /dev/hdb4 b 3 > 68" > > everything works great! AFAIK there is a problem with devfs & the > ide-floppy > > module. Nobody on the Mandrake forum seems to know how to make this "stick" > > though (I tried adding it to /etc/rc.d/rc.local). All these fixes have to > be > > rerun after rebooting or just logging out. The best suggestion I heard is > > changing the configuration to use the ide-scsi module (just like the old > > days). Unfortunately, I wasn't around for those days & don't know how to do > > it. Does this sound like a good option? Anybody want to walk me through > it? > > Thanks > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE78sh5fexLsowstzcRAhNfAKCoMcZ8ZBQQ61SWQB1VhygI3VWCPgCgjbFQ N9SoQWR2W96ZnhLAPhS8+3E= =ySb5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From amy at real-time.com Wed Nov 14 14:46:12 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat 7.2 ports In-Reply-To: <00d001c16d35$15b37020$3028680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 11:52:08AM -0600 References: <004c01c16d17$4d3ec800$1c4f56c7@sequoia> <0c1a01c16d1c$8734c960$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> <00d001c16d35$15b37020$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20011114134847.I1358@real-time.com> On Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 11:52:08AM -0600, Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net) wrote: > Why does Redhat continue to use ipchains with the 2.4 kernels? Shouldn't > they be using iptables now? I believe both get installed by default with RH 7.2. Not sure why though. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From scott.w.fischer at att.net Wed Nov 14 15:14:24 2001 From: scott.w.fischer at att.net (scott.w.fischer@att.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat 7.2 ports Message-ID: <20011114204309.HWYX19017.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> iptables is implemented in 7.2 but ipchains is what is turned on by default. -swf -- "It's kind of fun to do the impossible." - Walt Disney Key Fingerprint = 6FB4 A47C 793F 55C4 E2A7 6626 CC49 424A 155C AAD3 > I believe iptables is implemented in 7.2. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Thomas T. Veldhouse [mailto:veldy@veldy.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 11:52 AM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Redhat 7.2 ports > > > > > > Why does Redhat continue to use ipchains with the 2.4 > > kernels? Shouldn't > > they be using iptables now? > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Raymond Norton > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 8:56 AM > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Redhat 7.2 ports > > > > > > You probably need to modify or disable ipchains. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: David Cross > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 8:18 AM > > Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat 7.2 ports > > > > > > I'm pretty new to Linux, so please pardon me if a few links > > of the chain are > > missing. I've recently installed RH 7.2 and I was impressed > > to see that only > > one port is open compared to the twelve open ports of a > > default Windows 2000 > > installation. During the install I specified only medium > > firewall rules > > while selecting web and ftp ports to be open. However, those > > ports are not > > open. I've installed Apache to begin with but I can't reach > > it from outside > > the machine. > > > > What config file(s) do I need to edit to open those ports? > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > David Cross > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > PRIVACY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole > use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain business confidential and > privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or > distribution is prohibited. If this e-mail was not intended for you, please > notify the sender by reply e-mail that you received this in error. Destroy all > copies of the original message and attachments. > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dave at droyer.org Wed Nov 14 16:35:49 2001 From: dave at droyer.org (Dave Royer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gabber tunnelled through ssh? In-Reply-To: <20011114045919.E14578@real-time.com> References: <20011114045919.E14578@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1005773942.1466.2.camel@merlin> I tried the same thing and couldn't get it to work. I also tried putting a SOCKS proxy (dante) in the mix to see if that would work...but I had no luck. I thought I read somewhere that you could tunnel gabber through ssh but I have yet to figure out how. If you find out how, please share! Dave Royer -- David Royer PGP Key: 0xD2B7F23C PGP Fingerprint: 0467 2A1D 91F9 38AC 78EB 655F 259A A36F D2B7 F23C On Wed, 2001-11-14 at 04:59, Bob Tanner wrote: > Anyone been able to tunnel gabber through ssh? > > I tried this: > > private% ssh -L 5222:jabber.com:5222 public > public% > > In other xterm: > > private% gabber (with host set to localhost, port 5222) > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Perhaps RedHat didn't get around to changing their ipchains stuff to iptables. ipchains is also more complete than iptables. iptables lacks features like irc/ftp/h323 connection tracking in the kernel. (Gotta patch your kernel for those.) But iptables is cool. There shouldn't be anything stopping you from using it. Just rmmod ipchains and iptables should be good to go. (IIRC, you need iptables compiled in or the iptables module has to be loaded to use ipchains in 2.4, and ipchains is only avail as a module. Once ipchains module is loaded, iptables doesn't work.) -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org/~zibby Bender: You just think that robots are machines built by humans to make their lifes easier. Fry: Well, aren't they? Bender: I've never made anyone's life easier and you know it! From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Nov 14 17:23:48 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat 7.2 ports Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D077@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Actually, I just disable inetd or xinetd altogether. All I leave open on any of my boxes is ssh for administration, and usually a webserver or mailserver (like postfix or qmail). None of that stuff runs through inetd, so you can just disable it. You shouldn't be using telnet, and if you have scp or sftp you don't need ftp, just an ssh server. > -----Original Message----- > From: Churchill, Dan (MN65) [mailto:churchill_dan@htc.honeywell.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 12:25 PM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Redhat 7.2 ports > > > It's very doubtful that you'll have to worry about inetd or > xinetd under RedHat. The standard config for this is usually > acceptable to most users. Unless RedHat has changed it since > 7.1, the ipchains configuration is located in > /etc/sysconfig/network/ipchains. This is where you will want > to open or close network ports. This file just contains > rules for the firewall, one to a line, exactly as you would > type them by using the ipchains command, except you give only > the options to the command (the startup script will provide > the rest). You could use ipchains-save to create this file > as Mike suggested, but I prefer to edit it by hand. That way > you can include comments in the file about which ports you're > opening up and why. Just be aware that if there are any > typos in the file, the ipchains command will fail for any > mistyped rules. Also, after changing this file, you will > either need to reboot, or execute "service ipchains restart" > to reload the rules from the config file. > > Ipchains is easy to understand if you have even just a small > amount knowledge of nteworking and firewalls. The manpage > for ipchains is a good place to start. You might also want > to read the IPCHAINS-HOWTO, available at > http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/IPCHAINS-HOWTO.html. > > Good luck! > Dan Churchill > ---- > The views expressed in this message are those of the sender, > and do not represent in any way the views or positions of > Honeywell or its affiliates. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Hvidsten, Leif > > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 11:29 AM > > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Redhat 7.2 ports > > > > > > On Unix it's /etc/inetd.conf and just remove the '#' from in > > front of the port you want to enable. I think on RH 7.2 > > xinetd.conf is used, so it's probably just the same > > procedure; I'm new to Linux as well so I'm not totally sure. > > I think you'll want to reinitialize the inetd daemon afterwards. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David Cross [mailto:dacross@nwc.edu] > > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 8:19 AM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat 7.2 ports > > > > > > I'm pretty new to Linux, so please pardon me if a few links > > of the chain are missing. I've recently installed RH 7.2 and > > I was impressed to see that only one port is open compared to > > the twelve open ports of a default Windows 2000 installation. > > During the install I specified only medium firewall rules > > while selecting web and ftp ports to be open. However, those > > ports are not open. I've installed Apache to begin with but I > > can't reach it from outside the machine. > > > > What config file(s) do I need to edit to open those ports? > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > David Cross > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Nov 14 18:11:17 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Redhat 7.2 ports In-Reply-To: <20011114223438.AC28745D6@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> References: <20011114204309.HWYX19017.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> <20011114223438.AC28745D6@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011114172120.B31075@ringworld.org> * Andy Zbikowski [011114 17:16]: > lacks features like irc/ftp/h323 connection tracking in the kernel. (Gotta > patch your kernel for those.) 2.4.14 has irc and ftp, but no h323 :| -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Just say NO to Product Activation! From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Nov 14 20:53:10 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wireless security goes mainstream In-Reply-To: <20011114105955.Y6681@ringworld.org> References: <20011114105955.Y6681@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20011114195430.042f2435.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Ack! (exclaims the guy who's working on fixing that problem at CSOM) We've had a box sitting around waiting to be plugged into the right ports for a while now. I know there are holes in it too, and if that security company is worth anything, they still would have gotten in. It's meant to be a stepping-stone to a more secure network, using the technology we have available to fix the inherent problems with wireless access points. (I'd really call them design flaws, though I'm not aware of anybody suing yet..) I wasn't too concerned about the effects of this until I saw the report. There must be some sign at WCCO that subliminally tells reporters, ``you must always speak in a condescending tone.'' I'm a little pissed off at them right now, though mostly just because of the condescending bit. It's probably inappropriate that the security company demonstrated printing and sending e-mail over the open network downtown. I guess we were warned at least in part. Someone from UMN's central Office of Information Technology called someone at the Carlson School. My boss was paged at some point, but he was stuck in an Oracle class at the time. The reaction to this reminds me of what Microsoft has been doing recently, telling the people who find vulnerabilities in their products to keep quiet about it. Certainly, the report is going to speed up our efforts to make the network more secure. It's annoying that it happened basically on the eve of our rollout (though that has been pushed back way too far already). Wireless security is a big problem. Too bad there aren't (yet) large numbers of people who know that, or how to fix it. It's certainly stretching the extent of my knowledge. Thanks for reminding me of TCWUG, Scott. I sent in a subscription request (should have done that months ago, but it slipped my mind). The next step in the development of secure wireless at Carlson will be the deployment of encryption. Something good, yet readily available, is all I ask for. (Unfortunately for me, this probably means that I'll have to go back and finally figure out how to get RADIUS working). -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ That was ZEN. This is TAO. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011114/cea0f829/attachment.pgp From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Nov 14 22:55:19 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] lm_sensors Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D07B@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Ok, I finally got my Soyo Dragon+ working. It was a bad motherboard. Anyway, how do I get lm_sensors stuff working? I can't find any documentation on what hardware monitoring chip I have. From seg at haxxed.mine.nu Wed Nov 14 22:57:09 2001 From: seg at haxxed.mine.nu (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] something like intermapper for linux? References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D072@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <3BF333D7.7040006@haxxed.mine.nu> Austad, Jay wrote: > Ok, Intermapper (http://www.intermapper.com/) is probably one of the > most useful network monitoring tools I've ever used. Except, it only > runs on Mac, and there are no plans to port it to another OS. If you > have an extra Mac laying around, you should really grab a demo copy and > check it out. Well there's WhatsUp for windows from http://www.ipswitch.com/ As well as cheops for linux, but it last I checked it was rather unmaintained. http://cheops-ng.sourceforge.net/ From thomas at stderr.net Wed Nov 14 23:43:08 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] lm_sensors In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D07B@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 09:14:29PM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D07B@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011115060604.J82630@io.stderr.net> On Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 09:14:29PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > Ok, I finally got my Soyo Dragon+ working. It was a bad motherboard. > > Anyway, how do I get lm_sensors stuff working? I can't find any > documentation on what hardware monitoring chip I have. I had a hard time getting the drivers for the the chipsets working..but something made it work in the end. I believe there is a auto-detect script with the distribution that will help detect what driver you should use. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From jwanderson at uswest.net Wed Nov 14 23:54:06 2001 From: jwanderson at uswest.net (Jay W. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Domain name registration Message-ID: <200111150531.fAF5VMT14463@sprite.real-time.com> Who are the big domain name registries? My wife is looking to register a domain name for an organization that she belongs to and needs to gather some cost info. I suggested Network Solutions, Are there any other main registries? Jay From dave at droyer.org Thu Nov 15 01:14:10 2001 From: dave at droyer.org (Dave Royer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Domain name registration In-Reply-To: <200111150531.fAF5VMT14463@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: You may need to worry about more than cost. If you are hosting the domain at an ISP, or even having an ISP provide DNS, you may me limited in who the ISP will work with. (This makes sense for the isp...they don't have to bounce to several registrars to change the IP of a name server for instance.) From personal experience, several local ISP's have this limitation, including Real-time last time I checked. That asside, I have used jumpdomain.com before (they are a part of the OpenSRS group of registrars.) IMHO, they have a much better way of accessing your domain and updating it (web-based vs. email-based). Price wise they are inexpensive as well. Dave On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Jay W. Anderson wrote: > Who are the big domain name registries? > > My wife is looking to register a domain name for an organization that > she belongs to and needs to gather some cost info. > > I suggested Network Solutions, Are there any other main registries? > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jim at bleedpurple.com Thu Nov 15 01:16:40 2001 From: jim at bleedpurple.com (BleedPurpleGuy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Domain name registration References: <200111150531.fAF5VMT14463@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <006801c16d9e$11d50cc0$d129a541@host209> Register.com - I've heard some good things about BulkRegister.com - I can personally recommend (good prices, very responsive to name server changes) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay W. Anderson" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 11:31 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Domain name registration > Who are the big domain name registries? > > My wife is looking to register a domain name for an organization that > she belongs to and needs to gather some cost info. > > I suggested Network Solutions, Are there any other main registries? > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From pauljrech at yahoo.com Thu Nov 15 01:35:00 2001 From: pauljrech at yahoo.com (Paul Rech) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RAM prices at General Nano In-Reply-To: <20011109114436.A10520@rephil.org> Message-ID: <20011114160237.75704.qmail@web20602.mail.yahoo.com> Just checked general nanosystems web page and RAM prices doubled. They are still very low, but I got a bit spoiled at $16 for 256MB. Hope this is not an overall trend in computer hardware. One news show said the big computer makers are trying to get rid of inventory so they can jack the prices back up again. ===== Paul Rech pauljrech@acm.org pauljrech@yahoo.com 651-430-9935 hm 651-246-6823 cell "Proud to be part of the problem" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From tanner at real-time.com Thu Nov 15 01:49:03 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gabber tunnelled through ssh? In-Reply-To: <20011114081347.C18569@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 08:13:47AM -0600 References: <20011114045919.E14578@real-time.com> <20011114081347.C18569@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20011115005556.Y20279@real-time.com> Quoting Clay Fandre (clay@fandre.com): > That should work since jabber uses a single connection for everything. What problems are you having? Add the -v option to ssh to get more info. Are you sure that's the correct port? > > BTW, you can use -N option to just forward ports. > > -N Do not execute a remote command. This is useful if you just want > to forward ports (protocol version 2 only). Yeah, I used the -v, here is the result. debug1: Connection to port 5222 forwarding to jabber.com port 5222 requested. debug1: fd 5 setting O_NONBLOCK debug1: fd 5 IS O_NONBLOCK debug1: channel 1: new [direct-tcpip] debug1: channel 1: open confirm rwindow 32768 rmax 16384 Just hangs forever. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Nov 15 01:50:35 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gabber tunnelled through ssh? In-Reply-To: <20011114081347.C18569@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 08:13:47AM -0600 References: <20011114045919.E14578@real-time.com> <20011114081347.C18569@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20011115005742.Z20279@real-time.com> Quoting Clay Fandre (clay@fandre.com): > That should work since jabber uses a single connection for everything. What problems are you having? Add the -v option to ssh to get more info. Are you sure that's the correct port? > > BTW, you can use -N option to just forward ports. > > -N Do not execute a remote command. This is useful if you just want > to forward ports (protocol version 2 only). Interesting with the -N I get a core dump ala Bug Buddy. Debug input follows: debug1: Connection to port 5222 forwarding to jabber.org port 5222 requested. debug1: fd 8 setting O_NONBLOCK debug1: fd 8 IS O_NONBLOCK debug1: channel 2: new [direct-tcpip] debug1: channel 2: open confirm rwindow 32768 rmax 16384 debug1: channel 2: rcvd eof debug1: channel 2: output open -> drain debug1: channel 2: obuf empty debug1: channel 2: output drain -> closed debug1: channel 2: close_write -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Nov 15 01:52:13 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] something like intermapper for linux? In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D072@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 09:53:29AM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D072@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011115010105.A20279@real-time.com> Quoting Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com): > Ok, Intermapper ([1]http://www.intermapper.com/) is probably one of > the most useful network monitoring tools I've ever used. Except, it > only runs on Mac, and there are no plans to port it to another OS. If > you have an extra Mac laying around, you should really grab a demo > copy and check it out. OpenNMS? http://www.opennms.org -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Nov 15 01:56:06 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Domain name registration In-Reply-To: <200111150531.fAF5VMT14463@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: Last time i registered a domain name i went to godaddy.com, only $10 a year... -munir On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Jay W. Anderson wrote: > Who are the big domain name registries? > > My wife is looking to register a domain name for an organization that > she belongs to and needs to gather some cost info. > > I suggested Network Solutions, Are there any other main registries? > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- From tanner at real-time.com Thu Nov 15 02:02:07 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wireless security goes mainstream In-Reply-To: <20011114105955.Y6681@ringworld.org>; from dieman@ringworld.org on Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 10:59:55AM -0600 References: <20011114105955.Y6681@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20011115011805.D20279@real-time.com> Quoting Scott Dier (dieman@ringworld.org): > Sadly, they make it appear that its UMN's problem that one of the > schools. Also, WCCO used it to freak people out by claiming that > identity theft and other incidius things will happen to people. This is just FUD and crap. You can make a wireless network harder to penetrate then, hmmm, lets say someone going to your postal mailbox, getting all your cancelled check and stealing your identify that way. Sheesh... Any idiot can take open your postal box, it takes someone with some brains to crack your wireless network. > This assumes people are stupid enough to use 'dumb' service providers > for the rest of their real life activities. Perhaps we need to be > fixing that instead of our WLANS, eh? Users will always be "dumb". Unless someone enlightens them. Thus that is why Nate and I started the TCWUG. > Anyhow, I propose that people try contacting both WCCO and sanction and > try and get the TCWUG (www.tcwug.org) list out there to normal users, to > keep these 'security professionals' (who go onto other peoples networks, Security professionals who just show the weakness of a technologies (be it wlan, OS, applications, etc) or an exploit WITHOUT a fix/patch/workaround are just plain dumb. These people are not security professionals, they pseudo-black-hats. Real security professionals have the skills to demo the weakness, but they also have the skills to prevent or make it near impossible to exploit the weakness. At the very least, to log the when an weakness is being exploided and to limit the damage caused. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Nov 15 02:03:44 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Domain name registration In-Reply-To: <200111150531.fAF5VMT14463@sprite.real-time.com> References: <200111150531.fAF5VMT14463@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011115012128.G31075@ringworld.org> * Jay W. Anderson [011114 23:59]: > My wife is looking to register a domain name for an organization that > she belongs to and needs to gather some cost info. I use gkg.net for my domains, www.gkg.net $10/domain. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Just say NO to Product Activation! From hvidsl at parknicollet.com Thu Nov 15 07:43:02 2001 From: hvidsl at parknicollet.com (Hvidsten, Leif) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RAM prices at General Nano Message-ID: > > Just checked general nanosystems web page and RAM > prices doubled. > > They are still very low, but I got a bit spoiled at > $16 for 256MB. > > Hope this is not an overall trend in computer > hardware. > > One news show said the big computer makers are trying > to get rid of inventory so they can jack the prices > back up again. http://www.overclockers.com/ seems to be reporting the same thing as well. > > > > ===== > Paul Rech > pauljrech@acm.org pauljrech@yahoo.com > 651-430-9935 hm 651-246-6823 cell > > "Proud to be part of the problem" > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals > http://personals.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > PRIVACY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain business confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If this e-mail was not intended for you, please notify the sender by reply e-mail that you received this in error. Destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. From clay at fandre.com Thu Nov 15 07:50:51 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gabber tunnelled through ssh? In-Reply-To: <20011115005742.Z20279@real-time.com> References: <20011114045919.E14578@real-time.com> <20011114081347.C18569@fandre.com> <20011115005742.Z20279@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011115072012.A4278@fandre.com> It looks like the server is making a seperate connection back to the client, kind of like ftp. This (unfortunately) doesn't work with ssh tunnelling. http://docs.jabber.org/general/html/protocol.html Another option is to ssh tunnel your application, or use VNC/tightVNC. On Thu, 15 Nov 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Clay Fandre (clay@fandre.com): > > That should work since jabber uses a single connection for everything. What problems are you having? Add the -v option to ssh to get more info. Are you sure that's the correct port? > > > > BTW, you can use -N option to just forward ports. > > > > -N Do not execute a remote command. This is useful if you just want > > to forward ports (protocol version 2 only). > > Interesting with the -N I get a core dump ala Bug Buddy. Debug input follows: > > debug1: Connection to port 5222 forwarding to jabber.org port 5222 requested. > debug1: fd 8 setting O_NONBLOCK > debug1: fd 8 IS O_NONBLOCK > debug1: channel 2: new [direct-tcpip] > debug1: channel 2: open confirm rwindow 32768 rmax 16384 > debug1: channel 2: rcvd eof > debug1: channel 2: output open -> drain > debug1: channel 2: obuf empty > debug1: channel 2: output drain -> closed > debug1: channel 2: close_write > > -- > Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jts at tc.umn.edu Thu Nov 15 08:49:40 2001 From: jts at tc.umn.edu (Joel T Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Domain name registration In-Reply-To: <200111150805.fAF85MT16354@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 tclug-list-request@mn-linux.org wrote: > Who are the big domain name registries? > > My wife is looking to register a domain name for an organization that > she belongs to and needs to gather some cost info. > > I suggested Network Solutions, Are there any other main registries? If she wants a geographical domain name, such as xyz.minneapolis.mn.us, and she or her ISP is able/willing to provide DNS for the new domain, it may be possible to register the domain free of charge. I applied for such a domain recently, but have not received word back yet. The registration procedures for US domains are currently in a state of flux; the US domain registration web site was moved from http://www.nic.us/ to http://us.neustar.biz/ within the last week. Otherwise, I've always had good luck with DomainDiscover.com. Joel From dmblevins at mediaone.net Thu Nov 15 08:56:17 2001 From: dmblevins at mediaone.net (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Problem with the list? Message-ID: Why are some of my emails showing up more than once? The email titled "[TCLUG] Listing the IP confugration" was delivered to me _three_ times, all the with the exact same send date. Did everyone else get this three times also, or is it just a problem with my mail client? Thanks, David From gje at parrotheaven.com Thu Nov 15 09:16:08 2001 From: gje at parrotheaven.com (Greg Evans) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] lm_sensors In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D07B@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D07B@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011115081633.B17220@parrotheaven.com> Using the adm1021 driver I was able to get the cpu temperture, but I still can't figure out how to read the chipset temp, or the fan monitors. -- /* Greg Evans, Bloomington, MN., USA - gje@parrotheaven.com */ ------------- "It can be said that Man is the devil of the earth, and animals its tormented souls." - Schopenhaeur Austad, Jay [austad@marketwatch.com] wrote: > Ok, I finally got my Soyo Dragon+ working. It was a bad motherboard. > > Anyway, how do I get lm_sensors stuff working? I can't find any > documentation on what hardware monitoring chip I have. > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 240 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011115/0cfe8df5/attachment.pgp From esper at sherohman.org Thu Nov 15 09:20:04 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Domain name registration In-Reply-To: <200111150531.fAF5VMT14463@sprite.real-time.com>; from jwanderson@uswest.net on Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 11:31:16PM -0600 References: <200111150531.fAF5VMT14463@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011115082520.A30441@sherohman.org> On Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 11:31:16PM -0600, Jay W. Anderson wrote: > Who are the big domain name registries? > > My wife is looking to register a domain name for an organization that > she belongs to and needs to gather some cost info. > > I suggested Network Solutions, Are there any other main registries? When I registered my domains at home, I shopped around and settled on domainmonger.com. That was about a year and a half ago, so there may be better deals out there now, but they were quick, easy, and problem-free. Then I took an admin job for a company that had already registered with Network Solutions and quickly discovered why so many people hate them. Not only does NetSol charge more than just about anyone else (are they still $35/year?), but it's a major ordeal to get anything changed. Avoid them if at all possible; you'll be a lot happier that way. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Mr. Slippery From scott.w.fischer at att.net Thu Nov 15 09:43:08 2001 From: scott.w.fischer at att.net (scott.w.fischer@att.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Domain name registration Message-ID: <20011115144848.TKRY19017.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> I've used register.com and been very impressed with there customer support processes. Changing contact and payment information is very smooth. They do run $35 per domain (I think) so they're not the cheapest. But it works. I've considered trying on the the $10 per domain sites (ala godaddy) but haven't gotten around to it yet. -swf -- "It's kind of fun to do the impossible." - Walt Disney Key Fingerprint = 6FB4 A47C 793F 55C4 E2A7 6626 CC49 424A 155C AAD3 > Register.com - I've heard some good things about > BulkRegister.com - I can personally recommend (good prices, very responsive > to name server changes) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jay W. Anderson" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 11:31 PM > Subject: [TCLUG] Domain name registration > > > > Who are the big domain name registries? > > > > My wife is looking to register a domain name for an organization that > > she belongs to and needs to gather some cost info. > > > > I suggested Network Solutions, Are there any other main registries? > > > > Jay > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at techie.com Thu Nov 15 09:45:36 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backup Options In-Reply-To: <20011113190803.33e031f7.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 07:08:03PM -0600 References: <20011113141350.C31306@beaver.iucha.org> <20011113190803.33e031f7.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011115084901.A11742@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 07:08:03PM -0600, Mike Hicks wrote: > "Florin Iucha" wrote: > > > > 1. Make that partition xfs > > I'll just say it for the sake of saying it. My brother had one partition > go totally nuts with XFS. He had a lot of MP3s (and other music) on it, > and the songs were still there, but the parts of the files ended up > out-of-order. One song would suddenly transition to another song. Very > strange. That is very strange. Did he report it to the linux-xfs mailing list or did he just ignore it and try something else? It doesn't do any good to keep these bugs hidden. If he can still reproduce the corruption (with the latest release), have him report it to linux-xfs@oss.sgi.com. Nate From jima at gimp.damnation.net Thu Nov 15 09:48:07 2001 From: jima at gimp.damnation.net (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] ROTFL - script kiddie spam Message-ID: I came into work this morning and found three copies of this spam. (It was a dual spam, bundled with "search engine secrets," but that was nowhere near as funny.) I thought some of you might enjoy some comedy this morning. ;) Jima --- snip --- Subject: Over 1000 Hacker/Security Utilities on CD Now, personal computer security is more important than ever! This is the perfect Christmas gift. Have you ever wondered how a 15 year old kid can hack into a government computer, credit cards, create viruses, use ATM cards, talk for hours on free cellular calls, and do any one of a thousand miraculous things that adults with degrees in Computer Science cannot do? These kids are not geniuses, they just have access the to programs found on this CD and learned how to use them. Having the right software and practice is key. The utilities found on this CD are not available at your local computer store. I have gathered over 1,000 hard to find programs that will help you to learn about computer security and protect yourself. The purpose of this CD is to give you the knowledge you need to begin to protect your computer/network. Even though there are over 1,000 utilities on this CD, only the few utilities below are needed to really learn about computer security. Ideally, it's best to have 2 lab computers to work with. Do not use any of the programs on this CD on mission critical computers. To conduct your very first DoS attack (how exciting) unzip the file the included files. You must find out the IP address of the computer you want to DoS. This program requires a source address (obviouly make it a spoofed address, 1.1.1.1) and the destination address (the IP of the victim machine - a.b.c.d). At a dos prompt, type "program_name" 1.1.1.1 a.b.c.d, and hit enter. a.b.c.d is the destination address. At this point jolt should be causing the cpu of the destination computer to be at around 100%. To stop jolt just ctrl+c. Now, to protect yourself from a DoS attack, install the firewall program found on the CD on the destination computer. The firewall takes a bit of configuration but works well once it is set up. Try a DoS again and see what happens. The included firewall will protect your computer from almost every exploit found on this CD. TOM4TA - File Extras - Over 1,000 other utilities that as a system administrator, you should know exist. This is what the enemy has in his/her arsenal...and now so do you. The CD price is $24.95. Order now! Order HackerVillage - Security Tutorial w/utilities here! --- snip --- From duncan at sodatrain.com Thu Nov 15 10:11:06 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Domain name registration References: <200111150531.fAF5VMT14463@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <3BF3DDCA.9000902@sodatrain.com> Jay W. Anderson wrote: > Who are the big domain name registries? > > My wife is looking to register a domain name for an organization that > she belongs to and needs to gather some cost info. > > I suggested Network Solutions, Are there any other main registries? > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > Ive registered a few thru an ACM chapter at John Hopkins Univ. http://acm.jhu.edu for $10 or $11 (they are an openSRS member) I have also had good luck with register.com and reccomend them to my friends. duncan From clay at fandre.com Thu Nov 15 10:14:27 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Opera 5.05 and flash Message-ID: <20011115085257.C4278@fandre.com> So what's the trick to get the flash plugin working with Opera 5.05? From scott.w.fischer at att.net Thu Nov 15 10:19:29 2001 From: scott.w.fischer at att.net (scott.w.fischer@att.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat 7.2 ports Message-ID: <20011115145717.TOAK19017.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> > But iptables is cool. There shouldn't be anything stopping you from using it. > Just rmmod ipchains and iptables should be good to go. (IIRC, you need > iptables compiled in or the iptables module has to be loaded to use ipchains > in 2.4, and ipchains is only avail as a module. Once ipchains module is > loaded, iptables doesn't work.) So is there a half-page intro to configuring iptables? 1. Do this to enable kernel support. 2. Do this to set it up for ssh/http/https only. 3. Do this to allow full access from XX network/ip. 4. Do this to start/stop/restart. -swf -- "It's kind of fun to do the impossible." - Walt Disney Key Fingerprint = 6FB4 A47C 793F 55C4 E2A7 6626 CC49 424A 155C AAD3 From ming at mongo.evil-overlords.com Thu Nov 15 10:27:17 2001 From: ming at mongo.evil-overlords.com (Jason) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] reverse DNS Message-ID: Ok so I am a bit of a neophyte when it comes to running Named and what not, but I got it running and good for my domain. When I was reading some of the docs online I came across a link that talked about how to do the reverse lookups with a classless subnet....anybody have an idea how to do this or can you tell me where to find some docs to read about it? thanks a bunch. Oh yeah...trying to install RedHat 7.1 on a compaq proliant 2500 with 256MB of RAM. Bios sees all the mem but when I try to install it craps out saying I don't have enough memory? If I use the expert mode can I tell it how much RAM I have? Again thanks. Jason From simeonuj at nssmgmt.com Thu Nov 15 10:34:43 2001 From: simeonuj at nssmgmt.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] laptop net cards - recommendation wanted Message-ID: Isn't Airport 802.11b? I thought it was. > > >>But does it really work? > I have to admit, that even after being around Nate's unbridled > enthusiasm, and helping him play with some of the stuff he's gotten; I > still > mistrust the whole buisness. :) I'd rather run cable if at all > possible. > Like Bill said, that way you know the limit of your range. :) (you > also have > a pretty good idea that people aren't snooping your connection, > without the > hassle of setting up IPSec and the like). It's also cheaper, capable > of > higher speed, and less prone to interference (yeah, they say it's > gotten > better lately; but I'm not fully convinced). > 100BT is well worth the extra pain in wiring IMHO. > > I just looked up the Wireless HOWTO on LDP and it said the machines > have > > to be visible to each other. > nope. walls will degrade the signal; but won't stop it. you > should > be able to go throughout a house, no problem. just don't try it in a > warehouse full of car parts. :) > Concrete and steel girders. Man what PITA for wireless. Most cell's won't even work right here. It's an old train work shop and station. sim From clay at fandre.com Thu Nov 15 10:51:16 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Opera 5.05 and flash In-Reply-To: <20011115085257.C4278@fandre.com> References: <20011115085257.C4278@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20011115102105.H4278@fandre.com> Nevermind. apt-get install libmotif lesstif1 On Thu, 15 Nov 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > So what's the trick to get the flash plugin working with Opera 5.05? > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Nov 15 10:54:04 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RAM prices at General Nano In-Reply-To: <20011114160237.75704.qmail@web20602.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Paul Rech wrote: > Just checked general nanosystems web page and RAM > prices doubled. > > They are still very low, but I got a bit spoiled at > $16 for 256MB. > > Hope this is not an overall trend in computer > hardware. > > One news show said the big computer makers are trying > to get rid of inventory so they can jack the prices > back up again. www.crucial.com's still got lifetime-guaranteed micron memory fairly cheap ($30/256mb); snap it up while it's cheap! :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From amy at real-time.com Thu Nov 15 10:57:03 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat 7.2 ports In-Reply-To: <20011115145717.TOAK19017.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net>; from scott.w.fischer@att.net on Thu, Nov 15, 2001 at 02:57:16PM +0000 References: <20011115145717.TOAK19017.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <20011115104113.L4678@real-time.com> On Thu, Nov 15, 2001 at 02:57:16PM +0000, scott.w.fischer@att.net (scott.w.fischer@att.net) wrote: > > But iptables is cool. There shouldn't be anything stopping you from using it. > > Just rmmod ipchains and iptables should be good to go. (IIRC, you need > > iptables compiled in or the iptables module has to be loaded to use ipchains > > in 2.4, and ipchains is only avail as a module. Once ipchains module is > > loaded, iptables doesn't work.) > > So is there a half-page intro to configuring iptables? > > 1. Do this to enable kernel support. > 2. Do this to set it up for ssh/http/https only. > 3. Do this to allow full access from XX network/ip. > 4. Do this to start/stop/restart. Read the HOWTO: http://netfilter.samba.org/unreliable-guides/packet-filtering-HOWTO/packet-filtering-HOWTO.linuxdoc.html all howtos can be found at www.linuxdoc.org also, google is your friend - a simple search of iptables and howto came up with several relevant hits. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From marc at ds6.net Thu Nov 15 11:02:18 2001 From: marc at ds6.net (Marc A. Ohmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Domain name registration In-Reply-To: <006801c16d9e$11d50cc0$d129a541@host209>; from jim@bleedpurple.com on Thu, Nov 15, 2001 at 12:23:40AM -0600 References: <200111150531.fAF5VMT14463@sprite.real-time.com> <006801c16d9e$11d50cc0$d129a541@host209> Message-ID: <20011115094851.A27656@flanders.digsol.net> I can not recommend alldns.com -- good prices, crappy service, nearly impossible to update -- Marc A. Ohmann Digital Solutions, Inc http://ds6.net marc@ds6.net From fertch at mninter.net Thu Nov 15 12:02:53 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Domain name registration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01111512063400.00206@bleys> I have user gkg.net to register my domain. Shawn On Thursday 15 November 2001 01:06, Munir Nassar wrote: > Last time i registered a domain name i went to godaddy.com, only > $10 a year... > > -munir > > On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Jay W. Anderson wrote: > > Who are the big domain name registries? > > > > My wife is looking to register a domain name for an organization that > > she belongs to and needs to gather some cost info. > > > > I suggested Network Solutions, Are there any other main registries? > > > > Jay From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Nov 15 12:10:28 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Domain name registration In-Reply-To: <200111150531.fAF5VMT14463@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: I see a few people have mentioned GoDaddy. I have several domains over there ($9/year, I can't order just 1!) and I haven;t had any problems. I can do most of my updating online (DNS and so forth), with the exception of a name transfer. The person that helped me through e-mail was very nice and the only problems I had was with network Solutions, not GoDaddy. So, they get all thumbs up from me. Anyone have any bad experiences with GoDaddy? I've heard only good things from them. -Brian From scott.w.fischer at att.net Thu Nov 15 12:13:04 2001 From: scott.w.fischer at att.net (scott.w.fischer@att.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat 7.2 ports Message-ID: <20011115172126.FKEC11294.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Yeah, I know to read the HOWTO. In this case, I'm just being lazy and hoping someone would send their config out so I could copy/steal it. Thanks for the URL to the HOWTO, though!! -swf -- "It's kind of fun to do the impossible." - Walt Disney Key Fingerprint = 6FB4 A47C 793F 55C4 E2A7 6626 CC49 424A 155C AAD3 > On Thu, Nov 15, 2001 at 02:57:16PM +0000, scott.w.fischer@att.net > (scott.w.fischer@att.net) wrote: > > > But iptables is cool. There shouldn't be anything stopping you from using > it. > > > Just rmmod ipchains and iptables should be good to go. (IIRC, you need > > > iptables compiled in or the iptables module has to be loaded to use ipchains > > > in 2.4, and ipchains is only avail as a module. Once ipchains module is > > > loaded, iptables doesn't work.) > > > > So is there a half-page intro to configuring iptables? > > > > 1. Do this to enable kernel support. > > 2. Do this to set it up for ssh/http/https only. > > 3. Do this to allow full access from XX network/ip. > > 4. Do this to start/stop/restart. > > Read the HOWTO: > > http://netfilter.samba.org/unreliable-guides/packet-filtering-HOWTO/packet-filte > ring-HOWTO.linuxdoc.html > > all howtos can be found at www.linuxdoc.org > > also, google is your friend - a simple search of iptables and howto came > up with several relevant hits. > > -- > Amy Tanner > amy@real-time.com > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at techie.com Thu Nov 15 12:18:02 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backup Options In-Reply-To: ; from nassarmu@redconcepts.net on Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 03:12:30PM -0600 References: <20011113141350.C31306@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20011115112415.A31843@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 03:12:30PM -0600, Munir Nassar wrote: > > 3. Put a sticker on you monitor reminding you to put a blank cd in when > > you go to bed. > > But this is exactly what i want to do, is there no utility that will do > this for ext2/3? Take a look at Mindi and Mondo. http://www.microwerks.net/~hugo/ From the web page Mindi Mindi creates a set of boot/root floppy disk images that will let you perform basic system maintenance on your Linux distro. Mondo Mondo backs up your filesystem to CD's. In the event of catastrophic data loss, you may restore some or all of your system from those CD's, even if your hard drives are now blank. I tried to use it last night, but it seems my XFS kernel was too big. If you get it working, share with the group. Nate From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Nov 15 12:20:31 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Opera 5.05 and flash In-Reply-To: <20011115085257.C4278@fandre.com> Message-ID: 1) download flash from macromedia 2) download openmotif (i dont know why this is needed but opera *needed* it) 3) unpack flash and put in the plugins dir. 4) install openmotif 5) run esd for sound support -munir On Thu, 15 Nov 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > So what's the trick to get the flash plugin working with Opera 5.05? > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- From cznews at att.net Thu Nov 15 12:35:14 2001 From: cznews at att.net (Carl Zeilon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: ATAPI zip Message-ID: <20011115173031.VOBK4964.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@there> OK, after lots of fooling around this is what I have. Joshua, your script only worked if a disk was in the drive & also only worked once, could not eject & then insert a disk again. However, you led me to this: cd /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0 mknod disk b 3 64 mknod part4 b 3 68 ln -s /dev/hdb /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/disk ln -s /dev/hdb4 /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/part4 This works pretty darn good. It is, so far, surviving logout/on & reboots. The only problems are that user desktop config files (KDE) are reverting to the device /mnt/zip instead of /dev/hdb4 when they logout or reboot. The root desktop config file stays unchanged. Also, no eject command is listed when right clicking the root desktop config file. The user desktop config files list eject & operate correctly. Do you think this is some kind of permissions problem? Thanks a ton for everybodies help. I vowed I would make this work. You guys always say, "Linux, you can fix it". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What I typed works better in a shell script but it appeared to be ok for you too. So tell me, did it work for you? If it did, put that into a script and run it once on boot. It's a stupid hack for that bug. So here's what you are really doing. (a) create a device node to point to whatever needs pointing to (b) read a bit from the device and throw away the result. It doesn't matter if there is a disc in the drive or not. The point is to do the read. (c) remove that device node. You could write that dd command as: dd if=$FILE bs=1 count=1 >/dev/null 2>&1 to make the errors go away also. Joshua b. Jore Carl, I don't have a devfs linux kernel around to verify this with but here's how I remember doing this. You *don't* create the device node in /dev. Do it in /root or /tmp. The thing is, all you have to do is do some IO and devfs will notice the drive. Here's an idea: FILE=/root/tmp/hd?? mknod $FILE b ? ?? dd if=$FILE of=/dev/null bs=1 count=1 rm $FILE Obviously that does absolutely nothing of any real interest *except* force the system to actually look for something at that device node. You'll notice a matching /dev/hd?? symlink will have just appeared. It's magic. Joshua b. Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 http://www.greentechnologist.org On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Carl Zeilon wrote: > OK, here is the latest of the zip saga. By issuing "mknod /dev/hdb4 b 3 68" > everything works great! AFAIK there is a problem with devfs & the ide-floppy > module. Nobody on the Mandrake forum seems to know how to make this "stick" > though (I tried adding it to /etc/rc.d/rc.local). All these fixes have to be > rerun after rebooting or just logging out. The best suggestion I heard is > changing the configuration to use the ide-scsi module (just like the old > days). Unfortunately, I wasn't around for those days & don't know how to do > it. Does this sound like a good option? Anybody want to walk me through it? > Thanks From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Nov 15 12:42:56 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Domain name registration Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D07D@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Stay the hell away from Network Solutions. Their customer service sucks, and they lack a web interface to make changes. All changes have to be done through an automated email thing which checks your from: address and makes it a nightmare if you ever change email addresses. To get someone on the phone will take at least an hour on hold. I have good luck with register.com. They have a very usable web interface, and they provide your DNS for free. It's about the same price as network solutions, but you get way more for your money. And getting a customer service person on the phone is quite easy with them also. If you want to go cheap, joker.com is OK. But, they are located in germany, and if you have problems their customer service people don't speak very good english. And, DNS through them costs extra which I think brings the cost close to what register.com charges. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Marc A. Ohmann [mailto:marc@ds6.net] > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:49 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Domain name registration > > > I can not recommend alldns.com -- good prices, crappy > service, nearly impossible to update > > -- > Marc A. Ohmann > Digital Solutions, Inc > http://ds6.net > marc@ds6.net > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Nov 15 13:26:43 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backup Options In-Reply-To: <20011115112415.A31843@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: I am compiling mondo now, what i did find useful in the meantime is cdbackup/cdrestore, in a nutshell it seems to be frontend for tar & cdrecord, not perfect but it is safety. -munir On Thu, 15 Nov 2001, Nate Straz wrote: > On Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 03:12:30PM -0600, Munir Nassar wrote: > > > 3. Put a sticker on you monitor reminding you to put a blank cd in when > > > you go to bed. > > > > But this is exactly what i want to do, is there no utility that will do > > this for ext2/3? > > Take a look at Mindi and Mondo. > > http://www.microwerks.net/~hugo/ > > From the web page > > Mindi > > Mindi creates a set of boot/root floppy disk images that will let you > perform basic system maintenance on your Linux distro. > > > Mondo > > Mondo backs up your filesystem to CD's. In the event of catastrophic > data loss, you may restore some or all of your system from those CD's, > even if your hard drives are now blank. > > > I tried to use it last night, but it seems my XFS kernel was too big. > If you get it working, share with the group. > > > Nate > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Nov 15 13:32:46 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] lm_sensors Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D07E@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > Using the adm1021 driver I was able to get the cpu > temperture, but I still > can't figure out how to read the chipset temp, or the fan monitors. Was this on a Soyo Dragon or Dragon+? What did you do to get it working? Jay From PaulHarris at Bigfoot.com Thu Nov 15 14:08:22 2001 From: PaulHarris at Bigfoot.com (Paul Harris) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Upgrade Kernel Message-ID: <20011115191342.5421.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> I can't believe I can't find the information for this, but... I run Debian/Woody, and would like to upgrade the kernel (as part of learning about Linux). I'm happy to stick with 2.2.x kernel at the moment. The problem is I think there is a way to do this automagically via the gift of apt-get, but I can't find how anywhere. I know I could compile my own, but I'd rather do it the easy way for now. Cheers, Paul From dmblevins at mediaone.net Thu Nov 15 14:16:17 2001 From: dmblevins at mediaone.net (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Listing the IP confugration In-Reply-To: <1005686717.2727.3.camel@titanium> Message-ID: Hello Ben, In fact I had researched the problem and was using ifconfig. The problem was that my eth0 and eth1 devices weren't getting assigned IP addresses by the DHCP server. So, the 'ifconfig' command was not showing any IP addresses, which made me think there was something I was missing. My current problem is proper firewall configuration and ip masquerading, which I have posted the list about, but only after checking redhat.com and reading the relevant sections in Essential System Administration and Red Hat Linux 6. But you're right, Ben, I am a newbie. David > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Ben Lutgens > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 3:25 PM > To: tclug > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Listing the IP confugration > > > On Tue, 2001-11-13 at 11:10, David Blevins wrote: > > What's the Linux equivalent to the Windows ipconfig command? > Also, how do I > > do release/renews? > > HAHAHAH! WOOHOO! ROFLMAO! > > Sounds like someone needs to read up a little on http://www.linuxdoc.org > > These questions are very newbie-ish and you'd be best served doing a > little leg work of your own. Please consult the link above, then when > you've got a specific problem and you are informed enough to give us the > appropriate information to help you, try again. > > We don't mind helping but you'll get alot farther if you can at least > present the illusion of having researched the problem yourself. > > -- > Ben Lutgens > Sistina Software Inc. > Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream > From steveg at transition.com Thu Nov 15 14:51:03 2001 From: steveg at transition.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RAM prices at General Nano Message-ID: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BC09F@postman.transition.com> Microcenter has an ad in the Star Trib today with PC133 256MB sticks for $17.29 after a rebate. -----Original Message----- From: natecars@real-time.com [mailto:natecars@real-time.com] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 10:21 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] RAM prices at General Nano On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Paul Rech wrote: > Just checked general nanosystems web page and RAM > prices doubled. > > They are still very low, but I got a bit spoiled at > $16 for 256MB. > > Hope this is not an overall trend in computer > hardware. > > One news show said the big computer makers are trying > to get rid of inventory so they can jack the prices > back up again. www.crucial.com's still got lifetime-guaranteed micron memory fairly cheap ($30/256mb); snap it up while it's cheap! :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Nov 15 15:06:47 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Unix bad on the Asus TUSL2-C motherboard? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D07F@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Ok, with BSD or Linux on a box with the Asus TUSL2-C motherboard, I'm having a problem... When I turn the box on, it boots just fine, but if I do a "reboot" or "shutdown -r now", the box will hang before it posts again and some little alarm on the motherboard will start beeping. It then requires a power off to work correctly again. However, if I do a "shutdown -h now" and then a ctrl-alt-del, it boots just fine. Everything works fine with windows on it. Does anyone know of any reason why a motherboard would not come back during a soft reboot? Jay From fertch at mninter.net Thu Nov 15 15:08:18 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Upgrade Kernel In-Reply-To: <20011115191342.5421.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> References: <20011115191342.5421.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Message-ID: <01111515165801.00206@bleys> I'm not running Debian yet, but I will most likely be doing so on my gateway/router machine. I run Slackware on the rest of my boxes. Going from 2.2 kernel to 2.4 kernel for myself I found it was much easier to backup what I needed to keep, then go with a fresh install. Reason being was because there were too many dependencies of the major release differences. Opinions may vary, but that is mine. Shawn On Thursday 15 November 2001 13:13, Paul Harris wrote: > I can't believe I can't find the information for this, but... I run > Debian/Woody, and would like to upgrade the kernel (as part of learning > about Linux). I'm happy to stick with 2.2.x kernel at the moment. The > problem is I think there is a way to do this automagically via the gift of > apt-get, but I can't find how anywhere. I know I could compile my own, but > I'd rather do it the easy way for now. > > Cheers, Paul From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Nov 15 15:17:10 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Upgrade Kernel In-Reply-To: <20011115191342.5421.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> References: <20011115191342.5421.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Message-ID: <20011115142152.A29217@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Nov 15, 2001 at 11:13:42AM -0800, Paul Harris wrote: > I can't believe I can't find the information for this, but... I > run Debian/Woody, and would like to upgrade the kernel (as part > of learning about Linux). I'm happy to stick with 2.2.x kernel > at the moment. The problem is I think there is a way to do > this automagically via the gift of apt-get, but I can't find > how anywhere. I know I could compile my own, but I'd rather do > it the easy way for now. Well, there are several different kernels to choose from. Typing: apt-get install kernel-image will get you a list of possible kernels. You'll want to choose one of the 2.4 kernel based on which processor type you have. If your box is fairly new you'll probably want either kernel-image-2.4.12-686 for intel or kernel-image-2.4.12-k6 for AMD processors. BTW, apt-cache search is a good way to find out about packages. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Cookies are tasty! |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://faircopyright.org/ From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Nov 15 15:21:35 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Upgrade Kernel Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D080@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Actually, compiling your own is quite easy. Basically, just get the source, unzip it in /usr/src making sure you move the old /usr/src/linux directory out of the way first, then cd into /usr/src/linux and do: make xconfig (or make menuconfig if you're not running X) Select the options that you need. If you don't know what something is, just read the help for it. It will usually tell you if you need it or not. I usually compile my filesystem support directly into the kernel (ext2, reiserfs), and just about everything else as modules (like ethernet drivers, ppp support, etc.). Once you have that all taken care of, Save and exit. Then do: make dep make clean make bzlilo make modules make modules_install Confirm that everything in /etc/lilo.conf points to the right kernel that you just made. The new kernel and System.map will be in "/", not "/boot". You can move them to /boot though, just make sure you're lilo.conf reflects this. I usually duplicate my normal kernel in lilo.conf and call it something like linux-old just in case my new one doesn't boot. Make sure you run /sbin/lilo if you make any changes to lilo.conf. You can optionally make an initrd image. You don't need this if you have everything you need at boot compiled directly into the kernel. If you have SCSI though, and compiled your SCSI drivers as a module, you need to make an initrd image, and add the line initrd= into lilo.conf. To make it, do something like: mkinitrd /boot/initrd-2.4.14.img 2.4.14 (use whatever version number your new kernel is) Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Harris [mailto:PaulHarris@Bigfoot.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 1:14 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Upgrade Kernel > > > I can't believe I can't find the information for this, but... > I run Debian/Woody, and would like to upgrade the kernel (as > part of learning about Linux). I'm happy to stick with 2.2.x > kernel at the moment. The problem is I think there is a way > to do this automagically via the gift of apt-get, but I can't > find how anywhere. I know I could compile my own, but I'd > rather do it the easy way for now. > > Cheers, Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org Thu Nov 15 15:38:25 2001 From: josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: ATAPI zip In-Reply-To: <20011115173031.VOBK4964.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@there> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Uhh.... right-click... on an icon? I don't do that sort of thing. I'm strictly slackware/BSD. I tried some of the GUI linuxes but I couldn't deal. I won't be any help with getting your login/logout stuff to work since in *my* environments, this sort of thing is independand of (a) whether there is a disc in the drive and (b) user stuff. Joshua b. Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 http://www.greentechnologist.org On Thu, 15 Nov 2001, Carl Zeilon wrote: > OK, after lots of fooling around this is what I have. Joshua, your script > only worked if a disk was in the drive & also only worked once, could not > eject & then insert a disk again. However, you led me to this: > cd /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0 > mknod disk b 3 64 > mknod part4 b 3 68 > ln -s /dev/hdb /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/disk > ln -s /dev/hdb4 /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/part4 > > This works pretty darn good. It is, so far, surviving logout/on & reboots. > The only problems are that user desktop config files (KDE) are reverting to > the device /mnt/zip instead of /dev/hdb4 when they logout or reboot. The > root desktop config file stays unchanged. Also, no eject command is listed > when right clicking the root desktop config file. The user desktop config > files list eject & operate correctly. Do you think this is some kind of > permissions problem? Thanks a ton for everybodies help. I vowed I would > make this work. You guys always say, "Linux, you can fix it". > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > What I typed works better in a shell script but it appeared to be ok for > you too. So tell me, did it work for you? If it did, put that into a > script and run it once on boot. It's a stupid hack for that bug. > > So here's what you are really doing. > (a) create a device node to point to whatever needs pointing to > (b) read a bit from the device and throw away the result. It doesn't > matter if there is a disc in the drive or not. The point is to do the > read. > (c) remove that device node. > > You could write that dd command as: > > dd if=$FILE bs=1 count=1 >/dev/null 2>&1 > > to make the errors go away also. > > Joshua b. Jore > Carl, > I don't have a devfs linux kernel around to verify this with but here's > how I remember doing this. You *don't* create the device node in /dev. Do > it in /root or /tmp. The thing is, all you have to do is do some IO and > devfs will notice the drive. > > Here's an idea: > > FILE=/root/tmp/hd?? > mknod $FILE b ? ?? > dd if=$FILE of=/dev/null bs=1 count=1 > rm $FILE > > Obviously that does absolutely nothing of any real interest *except* > force the system to actually look for something at that device node. > You'll notice a matching /dev/hd?? symlink will have just appeared. It's > magic. > > Joshua b. Jore > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > http://www.greentechnologist.org > > On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Carl Zeilon wrote: > > > OK, here is the latest of the zip saga. By issuing "mknod /dev/hdb4 b 3 > 68" > > everything works great! AFAIK there is a problem with devfs & the > ide-floppy > > module. Nobody on the Mandrake forum seems to know how to make this > "stick" > > though (I tried adding it to /etc/rc.d/rc.local). All these fixes have to > be > > rerun after rebooting or just logging out. The best suggestion I heard is > > changing the configuration to use the ide-scsi module (just like the old > > days). Unfortunately, I wasn't around for those days & don't know how to > do > > it. Does this sound like a good option? Anybody want to walk me through > it? > > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE79CndfexLsowstzcRAv/vAJwMOD0QUyYGg7xT+InJLy2JS3cOwQCdGyy0 fwvhO8rD8+7WuYFsBSDdVws= =EJ5y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From natecars at real-time.com Thu Nov 15 16:00:04 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Upgrade Kernel In-Reply-To: <20011115191342.5421.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Message-ID: On 15 Nov 2001, Paul Harris wrote: > I can't believe I can't find the information for this, but... I run Debian/Woody, and would like to upgrade the kernel (as part of learning about Linux). I'm happy to stick with 2.2.x kernel at the moment. The problem is I think there is a way to do this automagically via the gift of apt-get, but I can't find how anywhere. I know I could compile my own, but I'd rather do it the easy way for now. apt-get install kernel-image-2.2.x should work. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Nov 15 16:06:20 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RAM prices at General Nano Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D084@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Last I saw, they were $14.99 at tran micro, no rebate BS involved. Of course, it's a nightmare to return anything there. > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Grobe [mailto:steveg@transition.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 11:51 AM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] RAM prices at General Nano > > > Microcenter has an ad in the Star Trib today with PC133 256MB > sticks for $17.29 after a rebate. > > -----Original Message----- > From: natecars@real-time.com [mailto:natecars@real-time.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 10:21 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] RAM prices at General Nano > > > On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Paul Rech wrote: > > Just checked general nanosystems web page and RAM > > prices doubled. > > > > They are still very low, but I got a bit spoiled at > > $16 for 256MB. > > > > Hope this is not an overall trend in computer > > hardware. > > > > One news show said the big computer makers are trying > > to get rid of inventory so they can jack the prices > > back up again. > www.crucial.com's still got lifetime-guaranteed micron memory fairly cheap ($30/256mb); snap it up while it's cheap! :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Nov 15 16:17:33 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Unix bad on the Asus TUSL2-C motherboard? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D085@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Oh, and I doubt it's a bad board as I have 2 of them, and it does it with both. Also, I have the latest BIOS on them both and I've tried downgrading and it still does it. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Austad, Jay [mailto:austad@marketwatch.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 2:13 PM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: [TCLUG] Unix bad on the Asus TUSL2-C motherboard? > > > Ok, with BSD or Linux on a box with the Asus TUSL2-C > motherboard, I'm having a problem... > > When I turn the box on, it boots just fine, but if I do a > "reboot" or "shutdown -r now", the box will hang before it > posts again and some little alarm on the motherboard will > start beeping. It then requires a power off to work correctly again. > > However, if I do a "shutdown -h now" and then a ctrl-alt-del, > it boots just fine. Everything works fine with windows on > it. Does anyone know of any reason why a motherboard would > not come back during a soft reboot? > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Thu Nov 15 16:44:19 2001 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] help for the hardware-challenged (mechanically declined) Message-ID: <15348.14388.92544.312877@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> I was just browsing through the output of dmesg and saw the following: PCI: Found IRQ 5 for device 00:0a.0 Redundant entry in serial pci_table. Please send the output of lspci -vv, this message (4793,4104,4793,162) and the manufacturer and name of serial board or modem board to serial-pci-info@lists.sourceforge.net. I rooted around a bit on the web and couldn't find any details about this problem. Looked at serial.c and didn't get much more understanding. It's hard for me even to tell whether this is a problem or not. Is there something I ought to do about this? And if so, what? Thanks! R From nate at techie.com Thu Nov 15 16:51:47 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Upgrade Kernel In-Reply-To: <20011115191342.5421.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net>; from PaulHarris@Bigfoot.com on Thu, Nov 15, 2001 at 11:13:42AM -0800 References: <20011115191342.5421.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Message-ID: <20011115155538.A1916@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Thu, Nov 15, 2001 at 11:13:42AM -0800, Paul Harris wrote: > I can't believe I can't find the information for this, but... I run > Debian/Woody, and would like to upgrade the kernel (as part of > learning about Linux). I'm happy to stick with 2.2.x kernel at the > moment. The problem is I think there is a way to do this > automagically via the gift of apt-get, but I can't find how anywhere. > I know I could compile my own, but I'd rather do it the easy way for > now. Here's what I do. First, make sure you have "kernel-package" installed. This is the Debian kernel package build utilities. It allows you to take any kernel tree and build an installable Debian package from it. Download the kernel tree you want to build and any patches you want to add. Unpack, patch, and configure. Now, cd to the top of the kernel tree, often called "linux". su to root run `make-kpkg kernel_image` After some time, a .deb package should show up in the directory just above this one. Just install, double check your boot manager (lilo) and reboot. Additional trivia running 'make-kpkg targets' shows you what other kernel-related packages you can build with this script. Enjoy, Nate From rechpj at bitstream.net Thu Nov 15 17:02:04 2001 From: rechpj at bitstream.net (Paul Rech) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Upgrade Kernel In-Reply-To: <20011115191342.5421.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net>; from PaulHarris@Bigfoot.com on Thu, Nov 15, 2001 at 11:13:42AM -0800 References: <20011115191342.5421.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Message-ID: <20011115160130.A1156@bitstream.net> On Thu, Nov 15, 2001 at 11:13:42AM -0800, Paul Harris wrote: > I can't believe I can't find the information for this, but... I run Debian/Woody, and would like to upgrade the kernel (as part of learning about Linux). I'm happy to stick with 2.2.x kernel at the moment. The problem is I think there is a way to do this automagically via the gift of apt-get, but I can't find how anywhere. I know I could compile my own, but I'd rather do it the easy way for now. > > Cheers, Paul Check out this URL. www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/kernel-24.html I was about to do the same thing myself, except my debian machine is my gateway and I don't want to horse it up. Guess that forces me into building another machine. -- Paul Rech pauljrech@acm.org rechpj@bitstream.net prsyscon@real-time.com From chrome at real-time.com Thu Nov 15 17:36:50 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Upgrade Kernel In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D080@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Thu, Nov 15, 2001 at 02:26:47PM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D080@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011115163124.B16644@real-time.com> > Basically, just get the source, unzip it in /usr/src making sure you move > the old /usr/src/linux directory out of the way first, then cd into > /usr/src/linux and do: don't do it in /usr/src. no good reason to. do the config and build in your home dir (unless you're out of space); and then su for the make modules_install, and to copy the images into place. the kernel docs may or may not yet say to do it this way; but Linus has been doing it this way for years. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Nov 15 18:49:59 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Upgrade Kernel In-Reply-To: <20011115191342.5421.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> References: <20011115191342.5421.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Message-ID: <20011115145957.3f817411.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Paul Harris wrote: > > I can't believe I can't find the information for this, but... I run > Debian/Woody, and would like to upgrade the kernel (as part of learning > about Linux). I'm happy to stick with 2.2.x kernel at the moment. The > problem is I think there is a way to do this automagically via the gift > of apt-get, but I can't find how anywhere. I know I could compile my > own, but I'd rather do it the easy way for now. Kernel upgrades are still kind of hairy in Linux, especially if you're using a relatively dumb bootloader like LILO (I should really start using GRUB again...) What I usually do is `apt-cache search kernel-image'. That will print out a list of all of the kernels available through apt-get, and the architectures that are available for you. If you're on a Pentium system and want to get kernel 2.4.12, do `apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.12-586'. Transitioning between 2.2 and 2.4 is slightly hairy, as Debian uses initial RAM disks with 2.4 kernels. You'll have to modify your LILO (or other bootloader) configuration appropriately to handle it. On most systems I run Debian on, I have these entries in lilo.conf: image=/vmlinuz label=current initrd=/boot/initrd read-only image=/vmlinuz.old label=previous initrd=/boot/initrd.old read-only Debian kernel packages automatically create symlinks for the kernel (/vmlinuz and /vmlinuz.old) and the initrds (/boot/initrd and /boot/initrd.old) that point to whatever is current and the previous version. With the above configuration, I can just apt-get, run /sbin/lilo, and reboot when I'm going from 2.4.x to 2.4.y But, like I said, going from 2.2 to 2.4 is a little more complicated. To prevent the package installer from yelling at you, you must add a line to /etc/kernel-img.conf that looks like this: do_initrd = Yes The /vmlinuz and /vmlinuz.old symlinks should be created properly during the installation, but the initrd symlinks might not. Certainly, there won't be an initrd.old link, since the 2.2 kernels didn't use initial RAM disks, and there's nothing to create a link to. For the time being, you can just comment out the initrd.old line, until you make another upgrade in the 2.4 series. The other symlink problem might be that the /boot/initrd link didn't get created. Just go into /boot and make it if it doesn't exist. I've sometimes had that problem during initial upgrades to 2.4, but it's usually gotten worked out after that. I hope that is understandable to you. Oh yeah, another issue is that Debian likes to have a line in the config file (something like `default=Linux') that says which image will be loaded by default. This seems redundant and annoying to me, so if you use my labeling conventions, you'll either have to change the default to `current' or comment out that line. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Most people feel that / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ everyone is entitled to \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) their opinion. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Updated RPMs are available at: http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/linux/redhat/2001-q4/0119.html Source: RedHat http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/linux/redhat/2001-q4/0119.html From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Nov 15 20:08:04 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] iptables Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D08D@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Actaully it was a bug in Redhat's implementation of iptables. I believe the update only modifies Redhat's firewalling scripts. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: James Spinti [mailto:jspinti@dart.dartdist.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 3:18 PM > To: Tclug-List > Subject: [TCLUG] iptables > > > Just got this. Since there has been a discussion about > iptables recently, > thought it might be relevant. > > *** {01.46.001} Linux - RedHat firewall/iptables save file problems > > RedHat has released an advisory indicating that some bugs in iptables > may prevent the RedHat firewall script from functioning properly, > leaving the system unprotected. > > Updated RPMs are available at: > http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/linux/redhat/2001-q4/0119.html > > Source: RedHat > http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/linux/redhat/2001-q4/0119.html > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jack at jacku.com Thu Nov 15 20:12:09 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Domain name registration In-Reply-To: <200111150531.fAF5VMT14463@sprite.real-time.com> References: <200111150531.fAF5VMT14463@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <01111517100501.01299@geezer> On Wednesday 14 November 2001 23:31, you wrote: > Who are the big domain name registries? > > My wife is looking to register a domain name for an organization that > she belongs to and needs to gather some cost info. > > I suggested Network Solutions, Are there any other main registries? > > Jay I'm registered with DomainDirect. The provide "parking" url redirection and email forwarding. They include a single POP3 box in the account setup which can be used as a catch-all. It also allows for redirection of subdomains so if there are websites already out there they can just point various other sites. Examples: My main site is still on an aol account that I've had setup forever. My online resume (resume.jacku.com) is on my ATT(mediaone) user space. Also a photo album of the house we bought this summer is also in that space but redirected through house.jacku.com. The cost for the "personal identity account" which includes the parking and registration is $24.95/year. Note: They are a division of TUCOWS so if you have issues with TUCOWS you have been warned. :-) -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From dmblevins at mediaone.net Thu Nov 15 22:06:49 2001 From: dmblevins at mediaone.net (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] iptables In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for the link, I was starting to go crazy with ipchains. I read the HOWTO IP Masquerading doc, the relevant sections a couple red hat books, man pages, the red hat website support forums, ...everything. I can get ip masquerading to work, it just looses 48% of my packets!!! So the connection I get is pretty close to worthless. This only happens when I add the ip masquerading rule to my firewall. Upgrading with up2date right now, I hope this takes care of it. On the plus side, I learned a lot about other aspects of Linux in the process, so the time isn't completely wasted. (I must keep reminding myself of that) Thanks, David > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of James Spinti > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 3:18 PM > To: Tclug-List > Subject: [TCLUG] iptables > > > Just got this. Since there has been a discussion about iptables recently, > thought it might be relevant. > > *** {01.46.001} Linux - RedHat firewall/iptables save file problems > > RedHat has released an advisory indicating that some bugs in iptables > may prevent the RedHat firewall script from functioning properly, > leaving the system unprotected. > > Updated RPMs are available at: > http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/linux/redhat/2001-q4/0119.html > > Source: RedHat > http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/linux/redhat/2001-q4/0119.html > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Nov 15 22:18:23 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Printing to a windows Printer Message-ID: for some reason i need to print to a Windows 2000 Printer, i have tried using Samba but print jobs are ending up in neverland, and when i use smbclient to connect i get: ERRDOS - ERRnoaccess (Access denied.) listing \* 0 blocks of size 0. 0 blocks available when this failed i have tried to use the windows 2000 lpd server but that failed miserably as well... i tried going to www.linuxprinting.org and www.linuxdoc.org but niether had anything new to offer. I guess what i need is a howto to setup windows to be a print server for linux computers. for reference: using LPRng, printconf and RedHat 7.1 with linux 2.4.13+ext3 -munir -- From eric at urbanrage.com Thu Nov 15 22:27:26 2001 From: eric at urbanrage.com (eric) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Upgrade Kernel References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D080@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20011115163124.B16644@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3BF48439.7D1A6FB2@urbanrage.com> Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > Basically, just get the source, unzip it in /usr/src making sure you move > > the old /usr/src/linux directory out of the way first, then cd into > > /usr/src/linux and do: > > don't do it in /usr/src. no good reason to. do the config and build in your The good reason to is that /usr/include/asm and /usr/include/linux both should refer to the kernel that you are working with. Typically these are symbolic links into /usr/src/linux/include/asm and /usr/src/linux/include/linux. You could just link them into where ever you built the kernel and you be just fine, but imho it is easier to do it in /usr/src and not worry about forgetting to do it. For a lot of people this wont make to much difference, but if you compile programs the information in these directories can change between revisions. Eric From gje at parrotheaven.com Thu Nov 15 22:39:04 2001 From: gje at parrotheaven.com (Greg Evans) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] lm_sensors In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D07E@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D07E@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011115214711.C19280@parrotheaven.com> It's a Soyo Dragon+. If I remember correctly I downloaded the cvs version of lm_sensors2. Compiled the basic i2c stuff with the kernel, then compiled and installed the cvs lm_sensors and did a depmod -a. modprobe i2c-core, modprobe adm1021, and then spent (and still spend) way to much time trying to figure out what to put in /etc/sensors.conf to actually get it to tell me something useful. So far running sensors still only tells me my cpu temp. -- /* Greg Evans, Bloomington, MN., USA - gje@parrotheaven.com */ ------------- "Nothing is more terrible than ignorance in action." -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe Austad, Jay [austad@marketwatch.com] wrote: > > Using the adm1021 driver I was able to get the cpu > > temperture, but I still > > can't figure out how to read the chipset temp, or the fan monitors. > > Was this on a Soyo Dragon or Dragon+? What did you do to get it working? > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Thu Nov 15 23:15:51 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Upgrade Kernel In-Reply-To: <3BF48439.7D1A6FB2@urbanrage.com>; from eric@urbanrage.com on Thu, Nov 15, 2001 at 09:12:57PM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D080@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20011115163124.B16644@real-time.com> <3BF48439.7D1A6FB2@urbanrage.com> Message-ID: <20011115224332.A25774@beaver.iucha.org> On Thu, Nov 15, 2001 at 09:12:57PM -0600, eric wrote: > Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > > > Basically, just get the source, unzip it in /usr/src making sure you move > > > the old /usr/src/linux directory out of the way first, then cd into > > > /usr/src/linux and do: > > > > don't do it in /usr/src. no good reason to. do the config and build in your > > The good reason to is that /usr/include/asm and /usr/include/linux both > should refer to the kernel that you are working with. Typically these > are symbolic links into /usr/src/linux/include/asm and > /usr/src/linux/include/linux. You could just link them into where ever > you built the kernel and you be just fine, but imho it is easier to do > it in /usr/src and not worry about forgetting to do it. Nope. Linus stated clearly on lkml that linux should not be built in /usr/src/linux. His opinion is that the fact that userland programs need access to kernel's internals is just another sign of glibc braindamage. > For a lot of people this wont make to much difference, but if you > compile programs the information in these directories can change between > revisions. And you programs should not change when the kernel change. florin PS: I have found the article too: http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0007.3/0587.html -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011115/0c2abedf/attachment.pgp From jpschewe at mtu.net Fri Nov 16 00:28:25 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] reverse DNS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Jason" writes: > Ok so I am a bit of a neophyte when it comes to running Named and what not, > but I got it running and good for my domain. When I was reading some of the > docs online I came across a link that talked about how to do the reverse > lookups with a classless subnet....anybody have an idea how to do this or > can you tell me where to find some docs to read about it? thanks a bunch. You need two entries for your domain in named.boot, if you have the newer named it's named.conf and the entries are similar: primary mn.mtu.net mn.mtu.net primary 42.168.192.IN-ADDR.ARPA 192.168.42 Then the file mn.mtu.net looks like this: @ IN SOA eggplant.mn.mtu.net. hostmaster.eggplant.mn.mtu.net. ( 2000021001 ; serial 28800 ; refresh 7200 ; retry 604800 ; expire 86400 ; default_ttl ) @ IN NS eggplant @ IN MX 10 eggplant localhost IN A 127.0.0.1 router IN A 192.168.42.100 And the file 192.168.42 looks like so: @ IN SOA eggplant.mn.mtu.net. hostmaster.eggplant.mn.mtu.net. ( 2000021001 ; serial 28800 ; refresh 14400 ; retry 3600000 ; expire 86400 ; default_ttl ) @ IN NS eggplant.mn.mtu.net. 100 IN PTR router.mn.mtu.net. Any you have a domain with reverse pointers, very handy for speeding up ssh connects. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From mbresnah at visi.com Fri Nov 16 00:30:01 2001 From: mbresnah at visi.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Max HD size supported by Asus P5A motherboard Message-ID: I have a Asus P5A motherboard (version 1005) with an Award BIOS (version 4.51PG) and I'd like to put a larger hard-drive in it... maybe one of those 100GB Western Digital drives. The question is, how big a HD will it support? I went to the Award website and it said, "...it's impossible to know how large a disk drive your system can support without actually testing it...". Well, that really sux. Hardware/firmware is soooo stupid sometimes. Can anyone suggest a better solution? Mike From jpschewe at mtu.net Fri Nov 16 00:31:36 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] ROTFL - script kiddie spam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ooo, oooh, this is just what I was looking for! j/k :) Jima writes: > I came into work this morning and found three copies of this > spam. (It was a dual spam, bundled with "search engine secrets," but that > was nowhere near as funny.) I thought some of you might enjoy some comedy > this morning. ;) > > Jima > > --- snip --- > Subject: Over 1000 Hacker/Security Utilities on CD > > Now, personal computer security is more important than > ever! This is the perfect Christmas gift. > > Have you ever wondered how a 15 year old kid can hack > into a government computer, credit cards, create > viruses, use ATM cards, talk for hours on free > cellular calls, and do any one of a thousand > miraculous things that adults with degrees in Computer > Science cannot do? These kids are not geniuses, they > just have access the to programs found on this CD and > learned how to use them. Having the right software and > practice is key. > The utilities found on this CD are not available at > your local computer store. I have gathered over 1,000 > hard to find programs that will help you to learn > about computer security and protect yourself. > The purpose of this CD is to give you the knowledge > you need to begin to protect your computer/network. > Even though there are over 1,000 utilities on this CD, > only the few utilities below are needed to really > learn about computer security. > Ideally, it's best to have 2 lab computers to work > with. Do not use any of the programs on this CD on > mission critical computers. To conduct your very > first DoS attack (how exciting) unzip the file the > included files. You must find out the IP address of > the computer you want to DoS. This program requires a > source address (obviouly make it a spoofed address, > 1.1.1.1) and the destination address (the IP of the > victim machine - a.b.c.d). At a dos prompt, type > "program_name" 1.1.1.1 a.b.c.d, and hit enter. > a.b.c.d is the destination address. At this point > jolt should be causing the cpu of the destination > computer to be at around 100%. To stop jolt just > ctrl+c. Now, to protect yourself from a DoS attack, > install the firewall program found on the CD on the > destination computer. The firewall takes a bit of > configuration but works well once it is set up. Try a > DoS again and see what happens. > The included firewall will protect your computer from > almost every exploit found on this CD. > > > > TOM4TA - File Extras - Over 1,000 other utilities that > as a system administrator, you should know exist. > This is what the enemy has in his/her arsenal...and > now so do you. > The CD price is $24.95. Order now! > > > Order HackerVillage - Security Tutorial w/utilities > here! > > > --- snip --- > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Nov 16 00:33:11 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Upgrade Kernel In-Reply-To: <3BF48439.7D1A6FB2@urbanrage.com> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D080@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20011115163124.B16644@real-time.com> <3BF48439.7D1A6FB2@urbanrage.com> Message-ID: <20011115235105.A21957@wookimus.net> Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > don't do it in /usr/src. no good reason to. do the config and build in > your On Thu, Nov 15, 2001 at 09:12:57PM -0600, eric wrote: > The good reason to is that /usr/include/asm and /usr/include/linux > both should refer to the kernel that you are working with. Define "working with". Are you recompiling glibc every time you compile a new kernel? /usr/include/asm and /usr/include/linux should point to the headers that were used to compile glibc. Disagree with me? There's a number of documents to support this argument. The best explaination of which can be found in the Debian 'kernel-package' documents. The file is called README.headers, and it is a heafty read, but well worth it. http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/rules/kernel/README.headers I'm including Linus's personal, yet "unofficial", statement on the matter. I say a bit more following the exerpt. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> "David" == David Engel said on Mon, 24 Feb 1997 >> "Linus" == Linus Torvalds said on Mon, 24 Feb 1997 David> Hi Linus, David> No matter how well we try to explain ourselves, the symlinks issue David> keeps coming up. Would you mind if we used your message below in David> our responses? Linus> Sure. Don't make it "the word of God" - please point out that Linus> it was a off-the-bat personal reply to a question concerning Linus> this, and while I'm more than happy to have the email Linus> circulated it shouldn't be seen as a "official" document in any Linus> way.. Linus> Linus --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> "Linus" == Linus Torvalds said on Wed, 22 Jan 1997: Linus> The kernel headers used to make sense exporting to user space, Linus> but the user space thing has grown so much that it's really not Linus> practical any more. The problem with Debian is just that they Linus> are different, not that they are doing anything wrong. That Linus> leads to differences between the distributions, and that in Linus> turn obviously can result in subtle problems. Linus> As of glibc, the kernel headers will really be _kernel_ Linus> headers, and user level includes are user level Linus> includes. Matthias Ulrich did that partly because I've asked Linus> him to, but mainly just because it is no longer possible to try Linus> to synchronize the libc and the kernel the way it used to Linus> be. The symlinks have been a bad idea for at least a year now, Linus> and the problem is just how to get rid of them Linus> gracefully. Personally, I'm counting on glibc, which we are Linus> already using on alpha. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Linus goes on with multiple examples why symlinking is BAD. There's a wonderful option available to all gcc(1) users called "-I". It allows you to add paths of include directories so that gcc can find the header files specified in the "#include" preprocessor directive. If you MUST reference the headers of a specific kernel, for let's say a new kernel module, then include that directory in the -I directive. There is absolutely no reason to use symbolic links in /usr/lib/{asm,linux} any longer. There hasn't been for some time now... since 1996 in Linus' "unofficial" opinion. Why people haven't caught on is a mystery to me. You really should read the README.headers document. It's a good read. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011116/81a6e44e/attachment.pgp From marc at ds6.net Fri Nov 16 00:34:53 2001 From: marc at ds6.net (Marc A. Ohmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Upgrade Kernel In-Reply-To: <20011115224332.A25774@beaver.iucha.org>; from florin@iucha.net on Thu, Nov 15, 2001 at 10:43:32PM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D080@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20011115163124.B16644@real-time.com> <3BF48439.7D1A6FB2@urbanrage.com> <20011115224332.A25774@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20011115235708.A28919@flanders.digsol.net> > Nope. Linus stated clearly on lkml that linux should not be built in > /usr/src/linux. > > His opinion is that the fact that userland programs need access to kernel's > internals is just another sign of glibc braindamage. > > > For a lot of people this wont make to much difference, but if you > > compile programs the information in these directories can change between > > revisions. > > And you programs should not change when the kernel change. what programs should do and what they actually do are totally different. I run a couple of utilities that *have* to be built against the *current* kernel header files. AFAIK there is no alternative to the pcmcia and wireless tools that must be built against the current headers. They look in /usr/src/linux by default so a good reason is its easier to put the source there. What is a reason not to put them in /usr/src/linux? just chmod so you don't have to be root to build there. Its always nice to have a standard place to find them. -- Marc A. Ohmann Digital Solutions, Inc http://ds6.net marc@ds6.net From mbresnah at visi.com Fri Nov 16 01:21:11 2001 From: mbresnah at visi.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RAM prices at General Nano In-Reply-To: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BC09F@postman.transition.com> Message-ID: As of tonight, the price for a 256MB PC133 is $40 at Trans Micro. Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Steve Grobe > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:51 AM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] RAM prices at General Nano > > > Microcenter has an ad in the Star Trib today with PC133 256MB sticks for > $17.29 after a rebate. > > -----Original Message----- > From: natecars@real-time.com [mailto:natecars@real-time.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 10:21 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] RAM prices at General Nano > > > On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Paul Rech wrote: > > Just checked general nanosystems web page and RAM > > prices doubled. > > > > They are still very low, but I got a bit spoiled at > > $16 for 256MB. > > > > Hope this is not an overall trend in computer > > hardware. > > > > One news show said the big computer makers are trying > > to get rid of inventory so they can jack the prices > > back up again. > > www.crucial.com's still got lifetime-guaranteed micron memory fairly cheap > ($30/256mb); snap it up while it's cheap! :) > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Nov 16 01:26:59 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Upgrade Kernel In-Reply-To: <20011115235708.A28919@flanders.digsol.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Nov 2001, Marc A. Ohmann wrote: > > And you programs should not change when the kernel change. > > what programs should do and what they actually do are totally different. I run a couple of utilities that *have* to be built against the *current* kernel header files. AFAIK there is no alternative to the pcmcia and wireless tools that must be built against the current headers. They look in /usr/src/linux by default so a good reason is its easier to put the source there. > > What is a reason not to put them in /usr/src/linux? just chmod so you don't have to be root to build there. Its always nice to have a standard place to find them. > the argument is that /usr should be static and in an ideal situation can be mounted read-only (with the exception of /usr/local, which would be a different partition) of course if this were an ideal world we would not need backups and we would not have MS Windows around -munir > -- From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Nov 16 03:20:38 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Max HD size supported by Asus P5A motherboard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011116012925.C21957@wookimus.net> On Thu, Nov 15, 2001 at 11:41:56PM -0800, Mike Bresnahan wrote: > The question is, how big a HD will it support? As big of a harddrive as you want. Linux doesn't rely upon the BIOS to tell it how large a harddrive is. It's really a moot point. The easiest solution is to defer the boot device to something that the BIOS and your boot loader can handle. i.e. A small harddrive, a flash rom, a floppy drive, a cdrom. I'm going to assume that you would like to refrain from having to boot with a floppy or CDROM. If you really don't want to eat up an IDE channel with an old 80MB harddrive, consider buying a diskonchip PCI card to boot from. Then again, you'll eat up a PCI slot... You could always operate with the harddrive under the premise that the first boot partition is less than 512MB. Yes, yes, we know boot loaders can see past this, but can they see around the BIOS limitations. If the answer is yes, then go for it. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011116/d909587c/attachment.pgp From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Nov 16 03:22:48 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RAM prices at General Nano Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D090@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Ouch, they went WAY up. > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Bresnahan [mailto:mbresnah@visi.com] > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 2:17 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] RAM prices at General Nano > > > As of tonight, the price for a 256MB PC133 is $40 at Trans Micro. > > Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Steve Grobe > > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:51 AM > > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] RAM prices at General Nano > > > > > > Microcenter has an ad in the Star Trib today with PC133 > 256MB sticks for > > $17.29 after a rebate. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: natecars@real-time.com [mailto:natecars@real-time.com] > > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 10:21 AM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] RAM prices at General Nano > > > > > > On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Paul Rech wrote: > > > Just checked general nanosystems web page and RAM > > > prices doubled. > > > > > > They are still very low, but I got a bit spoiled at > > > $16 for 256MB. > > > > > > Hope this is not an overall trend in computer > > > hardware. > > > > > > One news show said the big computer makers are trying > > > to get rid of inventory so they can jack the prices > > > back up again. > > > > www.crucial.com's still got lifetime-guaranteed micron > memory fairly cheap > > ($30/256mb); snap it up while it's cheap! :) > > > > -- > > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Nov 16 03:26:44 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] lm_sensors Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D091@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Also, do you pass any options when loading the module? > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Evans [mailto:gje@parrotheaven.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:47 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] lm_sensors > > > It's a Soyo Dragon+. If I remember correctly I > downloaded the cvs version > of lm_sensors2. Compiled the basic i2c stuff with the > kernel, then compiled and > installed the cvs lm_sensors and did a depmod -a. modprobe > i2c-core, modprobe > adm1021, and then spent (and still spend) way to much time > trying to figure out > what to put in /etc/sensors.conf to actually get it to tell > me something useful. > So far running sensors still only tells me my cpu temp. > > -- > /* Greg Evans, Bloomington, MN., USA - gje@parrotheaven.com */ > ------------- > "Nothing is more terrible than ignorance in action." > -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe > > Austad, Jay [austad@marketwatch.com] wrote: > > > Using the adm1021 driver I was able to get the cpu > > > temperture, but I still > > > can't figure out how to read the chipset temp, or the fan > monitors. > > > > Was this on a Soyo Dragon or Dragon+? What did you do to > get it working? > > > > Jay > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Nov 16 03:35:51 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] lm_sensors Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D08F@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Can you post your /etc/sensors.conf file? I'm not sure what to put in mine. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Evans [mailto:gje@parrotheaven.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:47 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] lm_sensors > > > It's a Soyo Dragon+. If I remember correctly I > downloaded the cvs version > of lm_sensors2. Compiled the basic i2c stuff with the > kernel, then compiled and > installed the cvs lm_sensors and did a depmod -a. modprobe > i2c-core, modprobe > adm1021, and then spent (and still spend) way to much time > trying to figure out > what to put in /etc/sensors.conf to actually get it to tell > me something useful. > So far running sensors still only tells me my cpu temp. > > -- > /* Greg Evans, Bloomington, MN., USA - gje@parrotheaven.com */ > ------------- > "Nothing is more terrible than ignorance in action." > -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe > > Austad, Jay [austad@marketwatch.com] wrote: > > > Using the adm1021 driver I was able to get the cpu > > > temperture, but I still > > > can't figure out how to read the chipset temp, or the fan > monitors. > > > > Was this on a Soyo Dragon or Dragon+? What did you do to > get it working? > > > > Jay > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From eng at pinenet.com Fri Nov 16 04:36:23 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Max HD size supported by Asus P5A motherboard Message-ID: <01C16E54.16571AC0.eng@pinenet.com> I have an Asus P5A-B mobo (the AT version) and I agree with another response, that Linux doesn't care about HD size. But if you want to use Windows, the HD is limited to 30gig and ATA33 by the mobo. A very attractive solution for an IDE drive is the Promise PCI card. The Promise card has its own Bios that will support any HD size and you can get versions in ATA66 and higher. Check out ebay under drives-media/controllers. With one Promise card plus your on board IDE you can run 8 IDE devices. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Bresnahan [SMTP:mbresnah@visi.com] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 1:42 AM To: Tclug-List@Mn-Linux.Org Subject: [TCLUG] Max HD size supported by Asus P5A motherboard I have a Asus P5A motherboard (version 1005) with an Award BIOS (version 4.51PG) and I'd like to put a larger hard-drive in it... maybe one of those 100GB Western Digital drives. The question is, how big a HD will it support? I went to the Award website and it said, "...it's impossible to know how large a disk drive your system can support without actually testing it...". Well, that really sux. Hardware/firmware is soooo stupid sometimes. Can anyone suggest a better solution? Mike _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at techie.com Fri Nov 16 09:27:08 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Upgrade Kernel In-Reply-To: <3BF48439.7D1A6FB2@urbanrage.com>; from eric@urbanrage.com on Thu, Nov 15, 2001 at 09:12:57PM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D080@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20011115163124.B16644@real-time.com> <3BF48439.7D1A6FB2@urbanrage.com> Message-ID: <20011116075858.A22600@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Thu, Nov 15, 2001 at 09:12:57PM -0600, eric wrote: > Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > > > Basically, just get the source, unzip it in /usr/src making sure you move > > > the old /usr/src/linux directory out of the way first, then cd into > > > /usr/src/linux and do: > > > > don't do it in /usr/src. no good reason to. do the config and build in your > > The good reason to is that /usr/include/asm and /usr/include/linux both > should refer to the kernel that you are working with. Typically these > are symbolic links into /usr/src/linux/include/asm and > /usr/src/linux/include/linux. NO NO NO NO NO! If you take a look at the libc and libc-dev packages you will see that /usr/include/linux and /usr/include/asm belong to those packages. This is because those headers must match the kernel to with _libc_ was compiled against. If there is an API change between the kernel that libc was compiled with and the one kernel that you're using, you're going to SHOOT YOURSELF IN THE FOOT! Don't do it. Get out of the habit. Nate From PaulHarris at Bigfoot.com Fri Nov 16 09:32:27 2001 From: PaulHarris at Bigfoot.com (Paul Harris) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian Kernel upgrade Message-ID: <20011116141557.23085.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Man, this group rocks! (in a sedate, mid-western kind of way) apt-get install kernel-image-x where x is the kernel number worked - it doesn't do it automatically via apt-get upgrade (which makes sense, as this is pretty fundamental). And I'll save the rest of your info for when I'm feeling brave enough to roll my own (want to get cups working first!) Cheers, Paul From kbullock at ringworld.org Fri Nov 16 09:41:21 2001 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fwd: OSX.1 as a *nix Message-ID: <32852.24.197.194.10.1005921686.squirrel@www.ringworld.org> > ---------- > From: Browne, Kris A. (TC) > Sent: Friday, November 2, 2001 10:55 AM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'; Powell, Mike D. (CC-IS) > Subject: OSX.1 as a *nix > > I have been using OSX for about 7 months now, not primarily as a > replacement for MacOS, but as a replacement for LinuxPPC as well. > > Mac OSX is a hybrid *nix, a cross between NeXT/OpenStep (which was > in turn derived from BSD 4.1) and FreeBSD. The filesystem layout > is derived from the changes that happened for NeXT, making > directories easier to setup for netboot and their derivative of > NIS, NetInfo. The display system is derived from the NeXTStep > Display Postscript model, updated to use PDF instead as a more > recent standard. There are some things which that NeXT heritage > brings to the table that Apple hasn't fully used yet, like built-in > kernel support for clustering, the above-mentioned netboot, and > cross-platform binary compatability (under openstep, the same > BINARY could run on Sparc, i386, or NeXT68k). FreeBSD brings to > the table a better TCP stack, better filesystem compatability, the > BSD's most recent stable port of GCC, and a better set of tools all > around. > > I saw somebody posted about Fink, which is definity cool, but since > we're all geeks here, I'll confide in you all that the way to go is > the Darwin ports collection, a direct port of the BSD ports tree > system. It is much more flexible, and gives you access to a LOT > more software. You can get all the details at > http://gnu-darwin.sourceforge.net. The guy who maintains it was > just profiled by Apple, you can find that on their site.... > > I hope this sheds some light on the subject... > > Kris Browne > Taylor Corporation Imprinting Group > SGI/Unix System Administrator > > Pacem in terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock From phil at rephil.org Fri Nov 16 09:55:21 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (phil@rephil.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mystery processes Message-ID: <20011116074757.B2453@rephil.org> I had two mystery processes virtually lock up my laptop for 1/2 hour, (disk thrashing) before deciding that I didn't have anything on the system that should be doing that. The only clue I got was the names of the processes at the top of "top", and I didn't recognize them. Does anyone know what "dcsP43zCr" and "dcsaNhlna" might belong to? Or should I start tearing apart the firewall and go to DEFCON-5? Thx, P -- I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. From fertch at mninter.net Fri Nov 16 09:57:00 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Max HD size supported by Asus P5A motherboard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01111608493700.00419@bleys> Find the flash for the bios and you should be able to break the 8GB limit (I think that's the limit on it without flashing bios). As to how big of a drive, I dunno. I flashed my bios, but stayed with the 6.4GB that's in that system. It's only a P200MMX, 64MB RAM, V550 card that I gave to my son. Sure, it can't play all the latest games, but it will play what he wants to play for now. Shawn On Friday 16 November 2001 01:41, Mike Bresnahan wrote: > I have a Asus P5A motherboard (version 1005) with an Award BIOS (version > 4.51PG) and I'd like to put a larger hard-drive in it... maybe one of those > 100GB Western Digital drives. The question is, how big a HD will it > support? I went to the Award website and it said, "...it's impossible to > know how large a disk drive your system can support without actually > testing it...". Well, that really sux. Hardware/firmware is soooo stupid > sometimes. Can anyone suggest a better solution? > > Mike From rsinland at gvtel.com Fri Nov 16 09:58:40 2001 From: rsinland at gvtel.com (Robert Sinland) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Going back to Linux References: Message-ID: <3BF53229.B3EB524F@gvtel.com> I have finally installed Linux on my newest box. Mandrake 8.1 in fact. The reason I am not posting under Linux is that it can not use my modem for some darn reason... The modem is a USR model # 3CP5610A PCI type. I have searched and searched, and been assured that it's not a winmodem. That much I know, it even says on the box it works with Linux (kernel 2.3 and higher) I know Linux has a few hurdle's to overcome yet and this may be one. I used to run Linux as my daily OS back in the early slackware days, but got lured away by games and stuff like Direct-PC.. Now I'm tired of fighting viri and don't play games as much...:) I have a few other issues with Mandrake, but nothing as big as this one. No modem = no net.... Any Ideas? RS From PCZeilon at att.net Fri Nov 16 10:38:34 2001 From: PCZeilon at att.net (Carl & Paula Zeilon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Unix bad on the Asus TUSL2-C motherboard? In-Reply-To: <200111160406.fAG46UT31581@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011116092957.0165ee78@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Jay, I had something very similar on my Asus CUSL2-C. You may not "want" to do this, but see if your problem is solved. Disable the "Jumper Free Mode". On my board this marked JEN & you want pins 1&2. Make sure you then set your DIP switches for your CPU. This solved the goofy behavior I was having on reboots. Back to the future! ; ) >Oh, and I doubt it's a bad board as I have 2 of them, and it does it with >both. Also, I have the latest BIOS on them both and I've tried downgrading >and it still does it. > >Jay > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Austad, Jay [mailto:austad@marketwatch.com] > > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 2:13 PM > > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > > Subject: [TCLUG] Unix bad on the Asus TUSL2-C motherboard? > > > > > > Ok, with BSD or Linux on a box with the Asus TUSL2-C > > motherboard, I'm having a problem... > > > > When I turn the box on, it boots just fine, but if I do a > > "reboot" or "shutdown -r now", the box will hang before it > > posts again and some little alarm on the motherboard will > > start beeping. It then requires a power off to work correctly again. > > > > However, if I do a "shutdown -h now" and then a ctrl-alt-del, > > it boots just fine. Everything works fine with windows on > > it. Does anyone know of any reason why a motherboard would > > not come back during a soft reboot? > > > > Jay From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Nov 16 10:44:00 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Fwd: OSX.1 as a *nix In-Reply-To: <32852.24.197.194.10.1005921686.squirrel@www.ringworld.org> References: <32852.24.197.194.10.1005921686.squirrel@www.ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20011116100342.K31075@ringworld.org> * Kevin Bullock [011116 09:45]: > > I saw somebody posted about Fink, which is definity cool, but since Of course, fink uses apt-get and friends to manage your systems installed packages. (dpkg, too) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From dsherman at real-time.com Fri Nov 16 10:46:34 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Going back to Linux In-Reply-To: <3BF53229.B3EB524F@gvtel.com> References: <3BF53229.B3EB524F@gvtel.com> Message-ID: <1005927153.6160.5.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> On Fri, 2001-11-16 at 09:35, Robert Sinland wrote: > I have finally installed Linux on my newest box. Mandrake 8.1 in fact. > The reason I am not posting under Linux is that it can not use my modem > for some darn reason... > The modem is a USR model # 3CP5610A PCI type. > I have searched and searched, and been assured that it's not a winmodem. > That much I know, it even says on the box it works with Linux (kernel 2.3 and > higher) > I know Linux has a few hurdle's to overcome yet and this may be one. > I used to run Linux as my daily OS back in the early slackware days, but got > lured away by games and stuff like Direct-PC.. > Now I'm tired of fighting viri and don't play games as much...:) > I have a few other issues with Mandrake, but nothing as big as this one. > No modem = no net.... > Any Ideas? > RS Did your modem come with its own driver source code for you to compile, or is it supposed to be included in the kernel source? If you've got source code, did you compile and install it? If it's in the kernel source, did Mandrake include it in *their* kernel (either as a module or right in the kernel itself)? I will assume you have already run HardDrake, and Mandrake is not automatically detecting the modem, or any modem, on any COM port... Dave -- Take the folks at Coca-Cola. For many years, they were content to sit back and make the same old carbonated beverage. It was a good beverage, no question about it; generations of people had grown up drinking it and doing the experiment in sixth grade where you put a nail into a glass of Coke and after a couple of days the nail dissolves and the teacher says: "Imagine what it does to your TEETH!" So Coca-Cola was solidly entrenched in the market, and the management saw no need to improve ... -- Dave Barry, "In Search of Excellence" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm driving it with the second head of a Matrox G400; which unfortunately has a crappy clock on it that only goes to 135MHz. so maximum resolution and refresh rate is kind of limited. :( I had it going at 1280x1024@75Hz for a while (max refresh it will do at 1280x1024); but lately the flicker was bothering my eye (just the right eye; since that's the side that monitor is on). so I spent a while with xvidtune, videogen, and some guesstimated tweaks, and I now have a modeline for 1152x864@88Hz; which doesn't ghost, and hasn't yet blown up anything. :) Section "Monitor" Identifier "Monitor1" VendorName "NOK" ModelName "NOKIA 445X" HorizSync 30.0 - 102.0 VertRefresh 50.0 - 120.0 Mode "1152x864" DotClock 120.00 # the original modeline was 108.00 # but it seems that you can just turn # up the dotclock without breaking # too many other timings, as long as it # doesn't exceed the maximum clock speed # of that output HTimings 1152 1172 1388 1492 # turning up the last value # removed the ghosting # eventually. it's the value # that the 'wider' button on # xvidtune increases. VTimings 864 866 907 909 EndMode EndSection Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From florin at iucha.net Fri Nov 16 10:51:49 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mystery processes In-Reply-To: <20011116074757.B2453@rephil.org>; from phil@rephil.org on Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 07:47:57AM -0600 References: <20011116074757.B2453@rephil.org> Message-ID: <20011116101912.B25774@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 07:47:57AM -0600, phil@rephil.org wrote: > I had two mystery processes virtually lock up my laptop for 1/2 hour, > (disk thrashing) before deciding that I didn't have anything on the > system that should be doing that. The only clue I got was the names > of the processes at the top of "top", and I didn't recognize them. > > Does anyone know what "dcsP43zCr" and "dcsaNhlna" might belong to? Or > should I start tearing apart the firewall and go to DEFCON-5? PULL THE NETWORK AND THE POWER PLUGS! florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011116/31650265/attachment.pgp From uak at nerp.net Fri Nov 16 11:57:30 2001 From: uak at nerp.net (Ursula A. Kallio) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mystery processes In-Reply-To: <20011116101912.B25774@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: Now you have me curious. Any reason why you would "PULL THE NETWORK AND THE POWER PLUGS!"? Please explain what you are reacting to. uak On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 07:47:57AM -0600, phil@rephil.org wrote: > > Does anyone know what "dcsP43zCr" and "dcsaNhlna" might belong to? Or > > should I start tearing apart the firewall and go to DEFCON-5? > > PULL THE NETWORK AND THE POWER PLUGS! > > florin From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Nov 16 11:59:55 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mystery processes Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D095@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> I'm unable to find any info about what they might be. You might want to keep it off the network until you find out. You can wait for it to start back up and just do a: /usr/sbin/lsof -n | grep dcs This will give you an idea of what it's doing (what files it has open or what network ports it's doing stuff on). Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Florin Iucha [mailto:florin@iucha.net] > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 10:19 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Mystery processes > > > On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 07:47:57AM -0600, phil@rephil.org wrote: > > I had two mystery processes virtually lock up my laptop for > 1/2 hour, > > (disk thrashing) before deciding that I didn't have anything on the > > system that should be doing that. The only clue I got was > the names > > of the processes at the top of "top", and I didn't recognize them. > > > > Does anyone know what "dcsP43zCr" and "dcsaNhlna" might > belong to? Or > > should I start tearing apart the firewall and go to DEFCON-5? > > PULL THE NETWORK AND THE POWER PLUGS! > > florin > > -- > > "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." > > 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 > From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Fri Nov 16 12:53:46 2001 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Going back to Linux In-Reply-To: <3BF53229.B3EB524F@gvtel.com> References: <3BF53229.B3EB524F@gvtel.com> Message-ID: <15349.21125.399393.627759@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> Robert --- I wonder if your problem is related to the one I posted yesterday (advice for the mechanically declined). I have a Mandrake 8.1 install and a USR 5610 and I have had some anomalous results in my start-up. Never had this before upgrading to Mandrake 8.1 from RH 6.2. Please see my earlier message. Have you looked at what dmesg prints? I'd be interested to see if you have the same problem. Best, R From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Nov 16 13:19:43 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Going back to Linux In-Reply-To: <1005927153.6160.5.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> References: <3BF53229.B3EB524F@gvtel.com> <1005927153.6160.5.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> Message-ID: <20011116114556.L31075@ringworld.org> * Dave Sherman [011116 10:48]: > > The modem is a USR model # 3CP5610A PCI type. > > That much I know, it even says on the box it works with Linux (kernel 2.3 and Its probally a PCI serial modem. These required 2.3+ because 2.2.x didn't have the driver code to deal with pci based 'dumb' serial ports. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From sextus at visi.com Fri Nov 16 14:04:10 2001 From: sextus at visi.com (Michael Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mystery processes In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D095@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from Austad, Jay on Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 11:09:12AM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D095@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011116130935.A19162@visi.com> On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 07:47:57AM -0600, phil@rephil.org wrote: > I had two mystery processes virtually lock up my laptop for 1/2 hour, > (disk thrashing) before deciding that I didn't have anything on the > system that should be doing that. The only clue I got was the names > of the processes at the top of "top", and I didn't recognize them. > > Does anyone know what "dcsP43zCr" and "dcsaNhlna" might belong to? Or > should I start tearing apart the firewall and go to DEFCON-5? It's likely you've been hacked. Take your machine off the network and down to single-user mode and search for any recently modified files, and any files named "dcsP43zCr" and "dcsaNhlna". -- Michael From mbresnah at visi.com Fri Nov 16 14:11:16 2001 From: mbresnah at visi.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mystery processes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Now you have me curious. Any reason why you would "PULL THE NETWORK AND > THE POWER PLUGS!"? Please explain what you are reacting to. He's implying that the machine has been compromised/hacked/infected. Mike From florin at iucha.net Fri Nov 16 14:13:20 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mystery processes In-Reply-To: ; from uak@nerp.net on Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 10:58:48AM -0600 References: <20011116101912.B25774@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20011116131426.C25774@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 10:58:48AM -0600, Ursula A. Kallio wrote: > Now you have me curious. Any reason why you would "PULL THE NETWORK AND > THE POWER PLUGS!"? Please explain what you are reacting to. Because he has been cracked. Pulling the network stops the crackers from communicating with the probes. Pulling the plug and then mounting the harddrive in a different computer to get information about the breach. And then reformat everything and do a clean reinstall/restore from backups. florin > On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 07:47:57AM -0600, phil@rephil.org wrote: > > > > Does anyone know what "dcsP43zCr" and "dcsaNhlna" might belong to? Or > > > should I start tearing apart the firewall and go to DEFCON-5? > > > > PULL THE NETWORK AND THE POWER PLUGS! > > -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Mandrake 8.1 in fact. > > The reason I am not posting under Linux is that it can not use my modem > > for some darn reason... > > The modem is a USR model # 3CP5610A PCI type. > > I have searched and searched, and been assured that it's not a winmodem. > > That much I know, it even says on the box it works with Linux (kernel 2.3= > and > > higher) > > I know Linux has a few hurdle's to overcome yet and this may be one. > > I used to run Linux as my daily OS back in the early slackware days, but = >got > > lured away by games and stuff like Direct-PC.. > > Now I'm tired of fighting viri and don't play games as much...:) > > I have a few other issues with Mandrake, but nothing as big as this one. > > No modem =3D no net.... > > Any Ideas? > > RS > >Did your modem come with its own driver source code for you to compile, >or is it supposed to be included in the kernel source? If you've got >source code, did you compile and install it? If it's in the kernel >source, did Mandrake include it in *their* kernel (either as a module or >right in the kernel itself)? > >I will assume you have already run HardDrake, and Mandrake is not >automatically detecting the modem, or any modem, on any COM port... From simeonuj at nssmgmt.com Fri Nov 16 14:54:16 2001 From: simeonuj at nssmgmt.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Max HD size supported by Asus P5A motherboard Message-ID: From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Nov 16 15:09:11 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] XFree86 config for Nokia 445X at 1152x864 on G400 In-Reply-To: <20011116101614.A31592@real-time.com> References: <20011116101614.A31592@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011116142808.C26124@wookimus.net> On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 10:16:14AM -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > This is about a 1995 monitor; and as such, it's showing a few signs of > age. at the wrong timings, the monitor 'ghosts' lines -- windows will > cast 'shadows' across the screen. Ick. > I'm driving it with the second head of a Matrox G400; which > unfortunately has a crappy clock on it that only goes to 135MHz. so > maximum resolution and refresh rate is kind of limited. :( Have you tried running "X -configure" as root? It gives a very basic, but useable probe of the monitor and your card capabilities. It doesn't provide a Modes line to the Screen Section, but you don't need that right away. Because of the exclusion of the Modes line, X will try to go at the highest resolution available that it detects. If this works, great! If it doesn't, throw in a Modes line for your desired resolution, then manually tweak the horizontal frequence range. Xvidtune works OK, but it's not really necessary, unless you have a REALLY broken monitor, one that doesn't report it's capabilities correctly to X. In that case, I suggest you read the manual for the monitor to get it's published capabilities and compute the ModeLines yourself. There is documentation in X to do this. Don't remember off the top of my head, though. I've done this a number of times for my stupid Panasonic S70, before I remembered to keep a copy on a medium that wouldn't get clobbered. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011116/ecfe5cbd/attachment.pgp From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Nov 16 15:13:31 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mystery processes In-Reply-To: References: <20011116101912.B25774@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20011116135500.A26124@wookimus.net> On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 10:58:48AM -0600, Ursula A. Kallio wrote: > Now you have me curious. Any reason why you would "PULL THE NETWORK AND > THE POWER PLUGS!"? Please explain what you are reacting to. Florin is implying that the box was hacked. If you are in a production environment working for a company, the best way to make sure that you can make an insurance claim for computer hacking/espionage, you need to preserve the machine at its current state. That means no flush to disk, no further network connections, etc. This means pull the power and let the machine crash. You then hire a data extraction and security company to examine the data on disk w/diagnostic tools. I.e. rebooting the computer with a ramdisk image and mounting the harddrives as read only. I'm going to do a google search on those process names and see if anything turns up. Chances are that this isn't a big deal. If this were a serious hack, you wouldn't see process names like P43r or other 1337 speak. You would see something like sendmail, or sshd. Trojans, etc. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Does anyone know of any > reason why a motherboard would not come back during a soft reboot? I set up 2 of these motherboards within the last 2 weeks running Linux; works great. What kernel version, bios version, etc? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Fri Nov 16 15:56:25 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mystery processes In-Reply-To: <20011116131426.C25774@beaver.iucha.org>; from florin@iucha.net on Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 01:14:27PM -0600 References: <20011116101912.B25774@beaver.iucha.org> <20011116131426.C25774@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20011116151042.A24637@trammell.dyndns.org> On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 01:14:27PM -0600, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 10:58:48AM -0600, Ursula A. Kallio wrote: > > Now you have me curious. Any reason why you would "PULL THE NETWORK AND > > THE POWER PLUGS!"? Please explain what you are reacting to. > > Because he has been cracked. Pulling the network stops the crackers from > communicating with the probes. Pulling the plug and then mounting the > harddrive in a different computer to get information about the breach. ROFL! I think the question is, "How do you know he has been cracked?", based on what he said? Admittely, those are suspicious-looking process names; do you recognize them? Google has no hits. > And then reformat everything and do a clean reinstall/restore from backups. Of course, if there's reasonable suspicion. -- johntrammell@yahoo.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 240 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011116/1cf6a207/attachment.pgp From molivier1 at excite.com Fri Nov 16 17:06:28 2001 From: molivier1 at excite.com (Marc Olivier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Birds of a Feather (BoF) Message-ID: <3682831.1005947990873.JavaMail.imail@squealer.excite.com> Hello. What was decided about the BoF? I like the idea, but I can probably only do it on the weekends, as travel is a hassle during the week. Marc On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 11:15:51 -0600, tclug-list@mn-linux.org wrote: > Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tclug-list-request@mn-linux.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Bruce Schneier talk on DMCA this Thursday (Clay Fandre) > 2. Re: Birds of a Feather (BoF) (Rodd Ahrenstorff) > 3. Re: laptop net cards - recommendation wanted (Jack Ungerleider) > 4. HP IIP prints dollar sign as box (Jon Schewe) > 5. Re: RE: ATAPI zip (Joshua b. Jore) > 6. Re: laptop net cards - recommendation wanted (Bill Layer) > 7. [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Installfest Announcement (Clay Fandre) > 8. Re: Listing the IP confugration (Scott Dier) > 9. Gabber tunnelled through ssh? (Bob Tanner) > 10. Re: Gabber tunnelled through ssh? (Clay Fandre) > 11. Redhat 7.2 ports (David Cross) > 12. Re: Redhat 7.2 ports (Raymond Norton) > 13. Re: Proper way to connect LANs (John J. Trammell) > 14. Re: vmware, win2k, and memory allocations (Charles_E_Zlamal@consecofinance.com) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > From: Clay Fandre > To: tclug-announce > Organization: I'm never organized > Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 08:45:22 -0600 > Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Bruce Schneier talk on DMCA this Thursday > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > This isn't a TCLUG meeting, but it's related to Linux... > > ******************************************************************************* > Bruce Schneier to speak about the DMCA "Welcome to 21st Century America, where the profits of the major record labels, movie houses, and publishing companies are more important than First Amendment rights." > > When: November 15, 7:00 > > Where: Malcolm Moos Health Sciences Tower, room 2-690 515 Delaware Street SE University of Minnesota Minneapolis, MN 55455 > > ******************************************************************************* > > More info here: http://www.mn-linux.org/events/ > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-announce mailing list > tclug-announce@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > From: Rodd Ahrenstorff > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Birds of a Feather (BoF) > Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:15:03 -0600 > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > I really like this idea. I am new to linux and realize "newbies" do a lot of > "take..take..take" without much "give", but I would hope to add something of > value to such a discussion while listening and learning from the experts. > I'm willing to share any resources I have at my disposal. > > Since time is a limited quantity and so forth, this might just be the best > bang for the buck. > > On Tuesday 13 November 2001 02:08 am, you wrote: > > So, I have been throwing around the idea of having BoF meetings at Real > > Time. These would be something on the order of every other week. We'd sit > > in the back office common room and just talk about technology. It would be > > open to all. > > > > > Comments? > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > From: Jack Ungerleider > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] laptop net cards - recommendation wanted > Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 22:23:22 -0600 > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > On Tuesday 13 November 2001 18:00, you wrote: > > Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > >Hash: SHA1 > > > > > >My suggestion, get some 802.11 gear. My former roomie had it, and it > > > > was a > > > > >hell of alot nicer than yet another cable. > > > > I was hoping no one would say this. > > But this is what I should do. I just spent hours on my home network wiring > > after adding another computer in another area of the house. The wiring is > > a royal mess as I have a lot of wood paneling that you can't cut and patch > > like drywall. > > > > But does it really work? > > > > >If you must get wired gear, look long and hard for something without a > > >dongle. :) > > > > I was looking at those, but I figured I'd break the connector off and > > really be up the creek. > > You can replace a dongle. > > > > Paul > I haven't gone to 802.11 on my latop but I did on my wife's system. Just when > we were moving into our house (new for us but 90+ years old) Best Buy was > clearing out the SoHoWare Netblaster II stuff. I got one PCI card (nice > because it comes with an antenna) and an access point for about $200 total. I > wish I had purchased a PCMCIA card at the time. Then I could surf from the > deck! I saw mention of line-of-sight in one of the posts. Not true. I used > to run 2Mb 802.11 webgear cards on three seperate floors in Duluth with no > problems. > > As far as wired net cards I swear by Linksys and D-Link (both dongles). I > used to use thinwire so I have combo cards. On one the plastic part of the > socket broke so it was hit or miss sometimes. Eventually it just died. But my > other two have worked flawlessy in several laptops. NE2000 compatible and > supported by the card services included with SuSE. (I think I ran Caldera on > one of the laptops at one point and it worked well also.) > > -- > Jack Ungerleider > jack@jacku.com > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > From: Jon Schewe > Date: 13 Nov 2001 22:34:44 -0600 > Subject: [TCLUG] HP IIP prints dollar sign as box > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Yes this isn't Linux specific, but searches on HP's site and Google don't > yield much, so maybe someone here has seen this problem. > > I just got an old HP IIP and when it prints dollar signs show up as little > boxes instead of $. Any ideas where to look to fix this? > > Thanks. > > -- > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 20:57:04 -0600 (CST) > From: "Joshua b. Jore" > To: > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] RE: ATAPI zip > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Carl, > I don't have a devfs linux kernel around to verify this with but here's > how I remember doing this. You *don't* create the device node in /dev. Do > it in /root or /tmp. The thing is, all you have to do is do some IO and > devfs will notice the drive. > > Here's an idea: > > FILE=/root/tmp/hd?? > mknod $FILE b ? ?? > dd if=$FILE of=/dev/null bs=1 count=1 > rm $FILE > > Obviously that does absolutely nothing of any real interest *except* > force the system to actually look for something at that device node. > You'll notice a matching /dev/hd?? symlink will have just appeared. It's > magic. > > Joshua b. Jore > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > http://www.greentechnologist.org > > On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Carl Zeilon wrote: > > > OK, here is the latest of the zip saga. By issuing "mknod /dev/hdb4 b 3 68" > > everything works great! AFAIK there is a problem with devfs & the ide-floppy > > module. Nobody on the Mandrake forum seems to know how to make this "stick" > > though (I tried adding it to /etc/rc.d/rc.local). All these fixes have to be > > rerun after rebooting or just logging out. The best suggestion I heard is > > changing the configuration to use the ide-scsi module (just like the old > > days). Unfortunately, I wasn't around for those days & don't know how to do > > it. Does this sound like a good option? Anybody want to walk me through it? > > Thanks > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE78d2CfexLsowstzcRArCfAKCiMoxJI02+V4DdJV/La+G8qc2yZgCg8ggt > xv2wds5xx/pAxXYFghX2C9c= > =JRUi > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 00:31:48 -0600 > From: "Bill Layer" > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] laptop net cards - recommendation wanted > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > On Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:00:28 -0600 > "Paul Rech" wrote: > > > I was hoping no one would say this. > > But this is what I should do. I just spent hours on my home network wiring > > after adding another computer in another area of the house. The wiring is a > > royal mess as I have a lot of wood paneling that you can't cut and patch > > like drywall. > > > > But does it really work? > > Sure, for MANY times the cost of wired, and with still undetermined security issues. Stick with wires until the 802.11 stuff is more mature. And with cables, you know *exactly* what the limit of range is ;) > > (That is a big IMO.) > > > >If you must get wired gear, look long and hard for something without a > > >dongle. :) > > > > > > > I was looking at those, but I figured I'd break the connector off and > > really be up the creek. > > You can replace a dongle. > > You figure right. I cringe at those flimsy X-jacks; I've already got a bad (intermittent) one on a modem card... dongle or cable all the way for me. > > Bill > > --__--__-- > > Message: 7 > From: Clay Fandre > To: tclug-announce > Organization: I'm never organized > Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 21:30:38 -0600 > Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Installfest Announcement > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > What: TCLUG Installfest > > When: Saturday, December 8th, 2001 > > Where: CodeWeavers, Inc. > 2550 University Ave West > Suite 313N > St. Paul, MN 55114 > > How much: Free > > For who: Everyone!!! > > Please register on the website if you plan on attending: > http://www.mn-linux.org/installfest/registration.php > > For more information on the Installfest, visit the TCLUG website: > http://www.mn-linux.org/installfest/ > > Hope to see you there. > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-announce mailing list > tclug-announce@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce > > --__--__-- > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 02:48:28 -0600 > From: Scott Dier > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Listing the IP confugration > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > * David Blevins [011113 15:24]: > > What's the Linux equivalent to the Windows ipconfig command? Also, how do I > > do release/renews? > > Ifconfig. > > If using debian and you have your interface setup for dhcp in > /etc/network/interfaces, just use ifup/ifdown: > > ifdown eth0 > ifup eth0 > > -- > Scott Dier > http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net > > Just say NO to Product Activation! > > --__--__-- > > Message: 9 > Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 04:59:19 -0600 > From: Bob Tanner > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Gabber tunnelled through ssh? > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Anyone been able to tunnel gabber through ssh? > > I tried this: > > private% ssh -L 5222:jabber.com:5222 public > public% > > In other xterm: > > private% gabber (with host set to localhost, port 5222) > > -- > Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 10 > Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 08:13:47 -0600 > From: Clay Fandre > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Gabber tunnelled through ssh? > Organization: I'm never organized > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > That should work since jabber uses a single connection for everything. What problems are you having? Add the -v option to ssh to get more info. Are you sure that's the correct port? > > BTW, you can use -N option to just forward ports. > > -N Do not execute a remote command. This is useful if you just want > to forward ports (protocol version 2 only). > > > On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > Anyone been able to tunnel gabber through ssh? > > > > I tried this: > > > > private% ssh -L 5222:jabber.com:5222 public > > public% > > > > In other xterm: > > > > private% gabber (with host set to localhost, port 5222) > > > > -- > > Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > --__--__-- > > Message: 11 > From: "David Cross" > To: > Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 08:18:58 -0600 > Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat 7.2 ports > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C16CE5.02813FA0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > > I'm pretty new to Linux, so please pardon me if a few links of the chain = > are missing. I've recently installed RH 7.2 and I was impressed to see = > that only one port is open compared to the twelve open ports of a = > default Windows 2000 installation. During the install I specified only = > medium firewall rules while selecting web and ftp ports to be open. = > However, those ports are not open. I've installed Apache to begin with = > but I can't reach it from outside the machine. > > What config file(s) do I need to edit to open those ports? > > Thanks in advance. > > David Cross > > ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C16CE5.02813FA0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > charset=3Diso-8859-1"> > > > > >
I'm pretty new to Linux, so please = > pardon me if a=20 > few links of the chain are missing. I've recently installed RH 7.2 and I = > was=20 > impressed to see that only one port is open compared to the twelve open = > ports of=20 > a default Windows 2000 installation. During the install I specified only = > medium=20 > firewall rules while selecting web and ftp ports to be open. However, = > those=20 > ports are not open. I've installed Apache to begin with but I can't = > reach it=20 > from outside the machine.
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> > ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C16CE5.02813FA0-- > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 12 > From: "Raymond Norton" > To: > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Redhat 7.2 ports > Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 08:56:23 -0600 > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0C17_01C16CEA.3C8068C0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > You probably need to modify or disable ipchains. > > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: David Cross=20 > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org=20 > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 8:18 AM > Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat 7.2 ports > > > I'm pretty new to Linux, so please pardon me if a few links of the = > chain are missing. I've recently installed RH 7.2 and I was impressed to = > see that only one port is open compared to the twelve open ports of a = > default Windows 2000 installation. During the install I specified only = > medium firewall rules while selecting web and ftp ports to be open. = > However, those ports are not open. I've installed Apache to begin with = > but I can't reach it from outside the machine. > =20 > What config file(s) do I need to edit to open those ports? > =20 > Thanks in advance. > =20 > David Cross > > ------=_NextPart_000_0C17_01C16CEA.3C8068C0 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > > >
You probably need to modify or disable=20 > ipchains.
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I'm pretty new to Linux, so please = > pardon me if a=20 > few links of the chain are missing. I've recently installed RH 7.2 and = > I was=20 > impressed to see that only one port is open compared to the twelve = > open ports=20 > of a default Windows 2000 installation. During the install I specified = > only=20 > medium firewall rules while selecting web and ftp ports to be open. = > However,=20 > those ports are not open. I've installed Apache to begin with but I = > can't=20 > reach it from outside the machine.
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> > ------=_NextPart_000_0C17_01C16CEA.3C8068C0-- > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 13 > Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 09:03:58 -0600 > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Proper way to connect LANs > From: "John J. Trammell" > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > --VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Disposition: inline > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 09:07:54PM -0600, David Blevins wrote: > > I spent all day reading about gateways, routing, etc. in order to setup > > Linux as my gateway. I actually got it setup, but from what I understand > > the approach I tried is terribly insecure. > >=20 > > I did this and got it running: > > # echo 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward > > # ipchains -F > > # ipchains -P forward ACCEPT > > # ipchains -A forward -s 192.168.1.0/24 -d 0/0 -j MASQ > >=20 > > That works, but everything is reset when I restart my network. And, as I > > read, this is apparently insecure. > >=20 > > What is the proper way to do this? > >=20 > > We'll use these numbers as an example of my net config: > > eth0 192.168.1.1 # The LAN obviously. > > eth1 24.32.5.105 # The DHCP assigned WAN IP > >=20 > > If you're using Debian, get the ipmasq package. Great stuff. > > --=20 > johntrammell@yahoo.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > --VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature > Content-Disposition: inline > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAjvyh94ACgkQ0GOQe6iOkkuGtQCePoDVjjU2UCWObU18VDCaVWDB > FA8AnAl8YWF7JurlE5twR4FTMa8TGiFZ > =gfeb > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > --VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb-- > > --__--__-- > > Message: 14 > From: Charles_E_Zlamal@consecofinance.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] vmware, win2k, and memory allocations > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 08:22:59 -0600 > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > The virtual environment (memory included) is contained in a series of text > based configuration files. The VMware application creates these when the > guest OS is installed. Note: You are constrained by the physical memory > properites of the box, and how much memory is allocated to the host OS. > > > > > > > > Amy Tanner @mn-linux.org on 11/13/2001 05:26:22 PM > > Please respond to tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Sent by: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > cc: > Subject: [TCLUG] vmware, win2k, and memory allocations > > > is there any rule of thumb for how much memory to allocate to guest > OS of vmware? can someone explain how vmware allocates the memory > to the guest OS? thanks. > -- > Amy Tanner > amy@real-time.com > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > End of tclug-list Digest _______________________________________________________ http://inbox.excite.com From gje at parrotheaven.com Fri Nov 16 17:14:05 2001 From: gje at parrotheaven.com (Greg Evans) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] lm_sensors In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D091@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D091@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011116160759.B1423@parrotheaven.com> in /etc/modules.conf I have the line: options adm1021 ignore=0,0x4e My sensors.conf looks like: chip "adm1021-*" # These are as advised in the data sheet label in0 "+2.5V" label in1 "VCCP" label in2 "+3.3V" label in3 "+5V" label in4 "+12V" label in5 "VCC" label temp1 "SYS Temp" label temp2 "CPU Temp" chip "adm1024-*" # # These settings work for me, adjust for your system # label fan1 "CPU1 fan" label fan2 "CPU2 fan" label temp "SYS Temp" label temp1 "CPU2 Temp" label temp2 "CPU1 Temp" ignore "2.5V" # This register is also used for temp2 ignore "Vccp1" chip "lm84-*" # These are as advised in the data sheet label in0 "+2.5V" label in1 "VCCP" label in2 "+3.3V" label in3 "+5V" label in4 "+12V" label in5 "VCC" label temp1 "SYS Temp" label temp2 "CPU Temp" -- /* Greg Evans, Bloomington, MN., USA - gje@parrotheaven.com */ ------------- "Freedom is more important than happiness" - Tom Robbins Austad, Jay [austad@marketwatch.com] wrote: > Also, do you pass any options when loading the module? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Greg Evans [mailto:gje@parrotheaven.com] > > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:47 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] lm_sensors > > > > > > It's a Soyo Dragon+. If I remember correctly I > > downloaded the cvs version > > of lm_sensors2. Compiled the basic i2c stuff with the > > kernel, then compiled and > > installed the cvs lm_sensors and did a depmod -a. modprobe > > i2c-core, modprobe > > adm1021, and then spent (and still spend) way to much time > > trying to figure out > > what to put in /etc/sensors.conf to actually get it to tell > > me something useful. > > So far running sensors still only tells me my cpu temp. > > > > -- > > /* Greg Evans, Bloomington, MN., USA - gje@parrotheaven.com */ > > ------------- > > "Nothing is more terrible than ignorance in action." > > -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe > > > > Austad, Jay [austad@marketwatch.com] wrote: > > > > Using the adm1021 driver I was able to get the cpu > > > > temperture, but I still > > > > can't figure out how to read the chipset temp, or the fan > > monitors. > > > > > > Was this on a Soyo Dragon or Dragon+? What did you do to > > get it working? > > > > > > Jay > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From duncan at sodatrain.com Fri Nov 16 17:15:36 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Consulting Practices References: <20011116101912.B25774@beaver.iucha.org> <20011116135500.A26124@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <3BF59049.2020902@sodatrain.com> Hello tclug- I have been acting as an 'independent consultant' [read: building websites for clients, cause i cant seem to find a good linux sys admin job in tc area] and am aiming to be more professional, and 'real' if i can call it that. I am wondering if anyone has any experience, and is willing to share a few thoughts. Ive been thinking of ways to 'improve' my business... and Ive realised that i need to define a few things, and am looking to the local linux community to help me. The following presumes i have 4 of 5 clients, spending one day a week with each... **What sort of response time can i give my clients if they are having network problems, or any problem for that matter. Do i set thier expectations that ill call with in 2 hrs, and go from there? Maybe show up within 24 hrs (presuming metro area clients) **I need to think about my availablity as a consultant. 1. what hours a day am i avail. 2. whats my weekend work policy? 3. Evening policy? 4. What do i do for vacation 5. What if im sick. If i advise someone on what hardware / software to buy, how much responsibility do i assuem when it doesnt work, or has problems? prob. quite a bit. What sort of equipment do i need? laptop cell phone desk somewhere, with office supplies computer 'toolkit' [crimper, cat 5 clips, screwdrivers...] What are other consultant/tech support places around the TC area charging per hour... I know this is very wide open, and could take a long answer. Thanks for your input. real time must have made all of these decisions, care to input? thx duncan From florin at iucha.net Fri Nov 16 17:27:32 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mystery processes In-Reply-To: <20011116151042.A24637@trammell.dyndns.org>; from trammell@trammell.dyndns.org on Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 03:10:42PM -0600 References: <20011116101912.B25774@beaver.iucha.org> <20011116131426.C25774@beaver.iucha.org> <20011116151042.A24637@trammell.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20011116162200.D25774@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 03:10:42PM -0600, John J. Trammell wrote: > On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 01:14:27PM -0600, Florin Iucha wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 10:58:48AM -0600, Ursula A. Kallio wrote: > > > Now you have me curious. Any reason why you would "PULL THE NETWORK AND > > > THE POWER PLUGS!"? Please explain what you are reacting to. > > > > Because he has been cracked. Pulling the network stops the crackers from > > communicating with the probes. Pulling the plug and then mounting the > > harddrive in a different computer to get information about the breach. > > ROFL! I think the question is, "How do you know he has been cracked?", > based on what he said? And if the attackers decided to use the numbers of seconds since epoch for the process name, Google would get no hits as well... > Admittely, those are suspicious-looking process names; > do you recognize them? Google has no hits. Do I need to? I have _never_ _ever_ met any legitimate processes with similar names. I bet there is no Linux|*BSD distribution that has such process names in their packages. There are three possibilities: 1. somebody named his programs that way 1. somebody with legitimate access 2. somebody with illegitimate access 2. there is ondisk corruption (and I dare you to compute the probabilities that the same corruption occured in the directory contents and the eventual script that started the app) > > And then reformat everything and do a clean reinstall/restore from backups. > > Of course, if there's reasonable suspicion. So do you still think he was not hacked? florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you are in a production > environment working for a company, the best way to make sure that you > can make an insurance claim for computer hacking/espionage, you need to > preserve the machine at its current state. That means no flush to disk, > no further network connections, etc. This means pull the power and let > the machine crash. You then hire a data extraction and security company > to examine the data on disk w/diagnostic tools. I.e. rebooting the > computer with a ramdisk image and mounting the harddrives as read only. > > I'm going to do a google search on those process names and see if > anything turns up. Chances are that this isn't a big deal. If this > were a serious hack, you wouldn't see process names like P43r or other > 1337 speak. You would see something like sendmail, or sshd. Trojans, > etc. Thanks for all the various input. It's not commercial, and it's just my laptop. I have to look at some other machines and logs, but it seems to be most likely related to some cron jobs that the laptop in question isn't usually awake for at the time they're scheduled to run. If it was a hack, it was pretty good, because the only ports open on the fire wall are .80 (not the machine in question), .25 (also not this machine) and ssh (*still* not this machine.) everything else is MASQ'd. So if my server isn't hosed (and it isn't) odds of a hack seem pretty low. Thanks again. If something interesting turns up from the investigation, I'll pass it on. -- I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. From florin at iucha.net Fri Nov 16 20:08:22 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mystery processes In-Reply-To: <20011116163829.A3243@rephil.org>; from phil@rephil.org on Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 04:38:29PM -0600 References: <20011116101912.B25774@beaver.iucha.org> <20011116135500.A26124@wookimus.net> <20011116163829.A3243@rephil.org> Message-ID: <20011116191016.E25774@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 04:38:29PM -0600, phil@rephil.org wrote: > Thanks for all the various input. It's not commercial, and it's just > my laptop. I have to look at some other machines and logs, but it > seems to be most likely related to some cron jobs that the laptop in > question isn't usually awake for at the time they're scheduled to run. > > If it was a hack, it was pretty good, because the only ports open on > the fire wall are .80 (not the machine in question), .25 (also not > this machine) sendmail? > and ssh (*still* not this machine.) everything else is > MASQ'd. So if my server isn't hosed (and it isn't) odds of a hack > seem pretty low. This doesn't have to be the first of your boxen they own... florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In the end you are left to a shell with litte/nothing to guide you. It was quite a let down. Granted I did not spend a huge amount of time with it, I did invest some time, and my conclusion is that gnu-darwin is still very immature. The mailing list is also quite sparce. On a brighter note. FINK kicks alot of tail. I really really like fink. The maintainer is on OPN and is quite helpful. The utility is fairly limited in as far as what is ported, but it is well documented and robust. It is built on the dpkg suite from the popular Debian distro. Also, let me say, mac hardware rules. And anyone that would like to chip in to the buy spencer and IPOD fund may do so. Please send cash. * Kevin Bullock (kbullock@ringworld.org) wrote: > > ---------- > > From: Browne, Kris A. (TC) > > Sent: Friday, November 2, 2001 10:55 AM > > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'; Powell, Mike D. (CC-IS) > > Subject: OSX.1 as a *nix > > > > I have been using OSX for about 7 months now, not primarily as a > > replacement for MacOS, but as a replacement for LinuxPPC as well. > > > > Mac OSX is a hybrid *nix, a cross between NeXT/OpenStep (which was > > in turn derived from BSD 4.1) and FreeBSD. The filesystem layout > > is derived from the changes that happened for NeXT, making > > directories easier to setup for netboot and their derivative of > > NIS, NetInfo. The display system is derived from the NeXTStep > > Display Postscript model, updated to use PDF instead as a more > > recent standard. There are some things which that NeXT heritage > > brings to the table that Apple hasn't fully used yet, like built-in > > kernel support for clustering, the above-mentioned netboot, and > > cross-platform binary compatability (under openstep, the same > > BINARY could run on Sparc, i386, or NeXT68k). FreeBSD brings to > > the table a better TCP stack, better filesystem compatability, the > > BSD's most recent stable port of GCC, and a better set of tools all > > around. > > > > I saw somebody posted about Fink, which is definity cool, but since > > we're all geeks here, I'll confide in you all that the way to go is > > the Darwin ports collection, a direct port of the BSD ports tree > > system. It is much more flexible, and gives you access to a LOT > > more software. You can get all the details at > > http://gnu-darwin.sourceforge.net. The guy who maintains it was > > just profiled by Apple, you can find that on their site.... > > > > I hope this sheds some light on the subject... > > > > Kris Browne > > Taylor Corporation Imprinting Group > > SGI/Unix System Administrator > > > > > > > Pacem in terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa > Kevin R. Bullock > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Spencer Butler Twin Cities Open Systems 6126368989@voicestream.net | spencer@autonomous.tv http://tcos.stderr.net | http://autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011116/71714e46/attachment.pgp From rsinland at gvtel.com Fri Nov 16 21:20:40 2001 From: rsinland at gvtel.com (Robert Sinland) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Going back to Linux References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011116133344.015b20a8@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <3BF5D61F.34531241@gvtel.com> Carl & Paula Zeilon wrote: > This modem should work right out the box with Mandrake 8.0 or 8.1. Mine > does. Like Dave said, run Harddrake & see if it is listed. Sometimes you > have to manually link it to a certain com port, but that's about it. Should work yes, but every time I try to dial out is says "sorry, the modem is busy" and that's as far as I get. In windows it's sitting on com 3 IRQ 11 when I look in (what is it /proc?) /pci I see the modem is sitting at irq 4. When I try to setup the modem with Harddrake it lists the model num and then gives me an error saying it's a winmodem. Grrrr... dmesg gives no useful info at this point.. I do see at boot it finds a UART at ttys4, but if thats the modem it's not lited in my list of devices to try and connect with. Might try to do a total reinstall and see what happens. RS > > > > > > >Did your modem come with its own driver source code for you to compile, > >or is it supposed to be included in the kernel source? If you've got > >source code, did you compile and install it? If it's in the kernel > >source, did Mandrake include it in *their* kernel (either as a module or > >right in the kernel itself)? > > > >I will assume you have already run HardDrake, and Mandrake is not > >automatically detecting the modem, or any modem, on any COM port... > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Fri Nov 16 21:25:12 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Consulting Practices In-Reply-To: <3BF59049.2020902@sodatrain.com>; from duncan@sodatrain.com on Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 04:16:41PM -0600 References: <20011116101912.B25774@beaver.iucha.org> <20011116135500.A26124@wookimus.net> <3BF59049.2020902@sodatrain.com> Message-ID: <20011116200935.P16824@real-time.com> Quoting duncan (duncan@sodatrain.com): > **What sort of response time can i give my clients if they are having > network problems, or any problem for that matter. Do i set thier > expectations that ill call with in 2 hrs, and go from there? Maybe show > up within 24 hrs (presuming metro area clients) Most of these questions are "easy". The faster the client wants you to respond, they more you charge. Gotta watch out for the 2 client call problem. :-( > **I need to think about my availablity as a consultant. > 1. what hours a day am i avail. You want a reasonable work life and a resonable personal life. Your clients want (would like it at least) you watching their back 24x7. Again, charge for the coverage and the response time. > 2. whats my weekend work policy? Yes. > 3. Evening policy? Yes. :-) > 4. What do i do for vacation You don't. > 5. What if im sick. You can't. The answer are quips, but they all have a ring of truth to them. When you are small you have to be nimble and service your clients better then your competition. > If i advise someone on what hardware / software to buy, how much > responsibility do i assuem when it doesnt work, or has problems? prob. > quite a bit. You assume all responsibility or your client will find someone who SAYS they will take 100% responibility. There are lots of companies that says whatever it takes to get the business, most it's just lip-service. Give the lip-service, charge accordingly so you can deliver on -all- promises. > What sort of equipment do i need? > laptop yes. > cell phone yes. > desk somewhere, with office supplies no. I can and do "live" on my laptop. Gotta have imap-ssl, smtp-auth, for secure email back home. Gotta have efax/hylafax for faxes Gotta star office to read the MS documents. A very large cd holder, with distro, updates, your utils. A BBC. I can be offsite for weeks using the above tools. > computer 'toolkit' [crimper, cat 5 clips, screwdrivers...] yes. Belkin kit. We all have them at Real Time. > What are other consultant/tech support places around the TC area > charging per hour... Each person and Real Time has a variable rate depending on what skill set is being applied. We have never been coy about pricing at Real Time. We state we are not the cheapest ISP, nor are we the cheapest consulting shop, nor do we want to be either of those. We charge a fair price for very skilled people to complete your projects on time and on budget gibing excellent service. Hmmm, a first BoF could be, "How to be a great Linux consultant" -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Fri Nov 16 21:31:58 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Linux and Cell phones Message-ID: <20011116202845.R16824@real-time.com> Anyone have any recommendations on cell phones that work best with Linux? I know Nate has his Nokia 33xx working IR to his laptop. What about syncing evolutions stuff with the phone? -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From phil at rephil.org Fri Nov 16 22:17:06 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (phil@rephil.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mystery processes In-Reply-To: <20011116191016.E25774@beaver.iucha.org>; from florin@iucha.net on Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 07:10:16PM -0600 References: <20011116101912.B25774@beaver.iucha.org> <20011116135500.A26124@wookimus.net> <20011116163829.A3243@rephil.org> <20011116191016.E25774@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20011116212627.B3678@rephil.org> On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 07:10:16PM -0600, Florin Iucha wrote: > > If it was a hack, it was pretty good, because the only ports open on > > the fire wall are .80 (not the machine in question), .25 (also not > > this machine) > > sendmail? Nope, postfix. > > and ssh (*still* not this machine.) everything else is > > MASQ'd. So if my server isn't hosed (and it isn't) odds of a hack > > seem pretty low. > > This doesn't have to be the first of your boxen they own... No, but that's my point. They don't seem to own anything else. Or even this one, it appears. :) -- I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. From ray at lctn.k12.mn.us Fri Nov 16 22:24:11 2001 From: ray at lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need book advise Message-ID: <004701c16f1a$1cd5efe0$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> I have new versions of Sendmail and MySQL running on RH 7.1, but I am very new to it, so most things are over my head. What would be a good book for beginners on these subjects? Thanks in advance Raymond From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Nov 16 22:25:46 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Consulting Practices In-Reply-To: <3BF59049.2020902@sodatrain.com> References: <20011116101912.B25774@beaver.iucha.org> <20011116135500.A26124@wookimus.net> <3BF59049.2020902@sodatrain.com> Message-ID: <20011116215111.R31075@ringworld.org> > **I need to think about my availablity as a consultant. > 1. what hours a day am i avail. > 2. whats my weekend work policy? > 3. Evening policy? > 4. What do i do for vacation > 5. What if im sick. I would probally end up asking some of these questions, write it up in a contract, perhaps offer 2 or 3 tiers of 'service' (one 24x7, one 8hr/day, one less than that) and offer rates based on your inconvience. Make sure you feel like your being compensated for your work. I dont know what going rates are for the levels of service you can provide, however. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From bradyh at bitstream.net Fri Nov 16 22:27:24 2001 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Consulting Practices In-Reply-To: <20011116200935.P16824@real-time.com> References: <20011116101912.B25774@beaver.iucha.org> <20011116135500.A26124@wookimus.net> <3BF59049.2020902@sodatrain.com> <20011116200935.P16824@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1005968935.16648.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> I can state that we got _great_ work from Real Time at my company. Unfortunately our accounts payable dept proceeded to embarrass me by giving them the run-around on the bill. Another thing you have to watch out for as a consultant. > We have never been coy about pricing at Real Time. We state we are not the > cheapest ISP, nor are we the cheapest consulting shop, nor do we want to be > either of those. From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Nov 16 22:32:00 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Consulting Practices In-Reply-To: <20011116200935.P16824@real-time.com> References: <20011116101912.B25774@beaver.iucha.org> <20011116135500.A26124@wookimus.net> <3BF59049.2020902@sodatrain.com> <20011116200935.P16824@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011116220422.S31075@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [011116 21:27]: > > What sort of equipment do i need? > > laptop > yes. Depending on what your doing, perhaps. Ive done things without a laptop, it can be pretty hard, though, if its sysadmin stuff. > > cell phone > yes. Or 2-way pager. I would actually recommend not using a cell phone for support calls, its horrendous to have to interrupt people over a client who cant figure out how to print or somehting else minor. This can be (partially) solved by overdocumenting. > > desk somewhere, with office supplies > no. I can and do "live" on my laptop. Agreed, I would at least have a laptop if your going to be doing lots of sysadmin like stuff. Its hard without the right tools. > > computer 'toolkit' [crimper, cat 5 clips, screwdrivers...] > yes. Belkin kit. We all have them at Real Time. Yes, if your doing networks and stuff. If your programming, no :) One hot market off the top of my head is finding companies going from peer-to-peer networking on win95 to client-server on w2k. Find these places and offer a good support contract if you can get them to have a (slow is fine) 24x7 internet connection. Then have a firewall and a server at their location, the server running samba, the clients all running TightVNC. You can then most likely fix much of the nasty problems from home or on the road (GPRS, voicestream.com) and only have to worry about hardware problems. It more runs into a one-man-asp. (GPRS is expensive, though, so you might want to offer different levels of turn-around time (4hr, 6hr, 24h) to beable to only use GPRS and VNC when necessary, unless its just tweaking a server over ssh) I would advise on 2-way pager and a req-like system for that. Avoid having to do lots of syncronous comms if you want to provide cost-effective and less stressful service to clients. Clients might hate it, but them tell them to go ask how much some lots-of-people shop will charge them an hour for phone support. If the load gets bad, find some hired goons to man the email system and fix things in parallel with your physical work. Pay them less, charge the customers more. (con: deal with crappy employment laws or whatever crap youve got to deal with in that situation) I've tried convincing places to have a deticated modem line up instead, too often they would rather multiplex you on the fax line and switch over the line to the computer when necessary. This is a PITA. My .02. I've avoided going back because I didn't have the toys nor a willing employer to want to go to this model. I got sick of going out of my way (40+min drive) for dumb problems and helping them on the phone since they refused to work over email. I really do love where I work compared to consulting. :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From sextus at visi.com Fri Nov 16 22:33:33 2001 From: sextus at visi.com (Michael Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Linux and Cell phones In-Reply-To: <20011116202845.R16824@real-time.com>; from Bob Tanner on Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 08:28:45PM -0600 References: <20011116202845.R16824@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011116221509.A14430@visi.com> ON Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 08:28:45PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > Anyone have any recommendations on cell phones that work best with Linux? If the words "Verizon" and "14.4" don't induce chest pains, the Qualcomm QCP-860 works via serial cable with Linux and plain pppd. -- Michael From dave at droyer.org Fri Nov 16 23:31:19 2001 From: dave at droyer.org (Dave Royer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:31:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Consulting Practices In-Reply-To: <3BF59049.2020902@sodatrain.com> References: <20011116101912.B25774@beaver.iucha.org> <20011116135500.A26124@wookimus.net> <3BF59049.2020902@sodatrain.com> Message-ID: <1005971426.1528.1.camel@merlin> I have been doing some independant consulting for several years now. Luckily I have had the luxury of being able to work with a well-established friend of mine. Ultimately you need to remember that you need to provide what your client wants. If you don't provide service or support for your client they will find someone else who will. Before I answer some of your questions in detail, I'd recommend you pick up a copy of "The Computer Consultant's Guide" by Janet Rulh. It does a good job of giving all sorts of suggestions on a broad range of topics that you might encounter. On Fri, 2001-11-16 at 16:16, duncan wrote: > **What sort of response time can i give my clients if they are having > network problems, or any problem for that matter. Do i set thier > expectations that ill call with in 2 hrs, and go from there? Maybe show > up within 24 hrs (presuming metro area clients) Each client will probably have different needs. You need to talk to your customers and determine what they need. If they need immediate service, you need to make sure they know they will have to pay for that kind of response. > **I need to think about my availablity as a consultant. > 1. what hours a day am i avail. > 2. whats my weekend work policy? > 3. Evening policy? > 4. What do i do for vacation Again, all this will depend on the client. If they have a mission critical system that you are maintaining and they want 24x7 support, you need to provide that, but they also need to be willing to pay extra for that kind of support. > 5. What if im sick. I left this one seperate as often there's nothing you can do about illness. If it's a once-in-a-while illness like the flu that just takes you out, they will likely understand. That said, if they are expecting 24x7 support, you have a problem! > If i advise someone on what hardware / software to buy, how much > responsibility do i assuem when it doesnt work, or has problems? prob. > quite a bit. > If you don't take responsibility for it, it's your reputation on the line. > What sort of equipment do i need? > laptop > cell phone Yes. > desk somewhere, with office supplies If you feel the need to work at a desk, then yes. I usually have what I need in my laptop case. If I need a table, Caribou is right around the corner! > computer 'toolkit' [crimper, cat 5 clips, screwdrivers...] Absolutely. > What are other consultant/tech support places around the TC area > charging per hour... This is really subjective. Every project is different. Different clients have different needs. Dave Royer -- David Royer PGP Key: 0xD2B7F23C PGP Fingerprint: 0467 2A1D 91F9 38AC 78EB 655F 259A A36F D2B7 F23C -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011116/b77adb37/attachment.pgp From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Nov 16 23:35:56 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: Linux and Cell phones In-Reply-To: <20011116202845.R16824@real-time.com> References: <20011116202845.R16824@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011116223949.T31075@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [011116 21:36]: > Anyone have any recommendations on cell phones that work best with Linux? > > I know Nate has his Nokia 33xx working IR to his laptop. What about syncing > evolutions stuff with the phone? The nice nokias just use vcard format, I've synced my palm with some peoples phones for fun :) It might be worth using your palm as the 'central' point and sync to your desktop/cell from that. I cant wait to get off of sprintpcs, get a gprs/bluetooth phone, and have the palm bluetooth addon after I finish out a year of CDPD service per my at&t wireless contract. (I use it to read sites on the way to work, slashdot on the bus!) /me hugs his Handera 330 -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Nov 16 23:37:28 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: Linux and Cell phones In-Reply-To: <20011116221509.A14430@visi.com> References: <20011116202845.R16824@real-time.com> <20011116221509.A14430@visi.com> Message-ID: <20011116224035.U31075@ringworld.org> * Michael Burns [011116 22:38]: > ON Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 08:28:45PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > > Anyone have any recommendations on cell phones that work best with Linux? > If the words "Verizon" and "14.4" don't induce chest pains, the Qualcomm > QCP-860 works via serial cable with Linux and plain pppd. If your going to go slow, 19.2 with CDPD and AT&T wireless is the way to go, theyve got unlimited plans even. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From rsinland at gvtel.com Fri Nov 16 23:42:07 2001 From: rsinland at gvtel.com (Robert Sinland) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Going back to Linux References: <3BF53229.B3EB524F@gvtel.com> <15349.21125.399393.627759@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <3BF5F483.E45FEAC9@gvtel.com> "Robert P. Goldman" wrote: > Robert --- > > I wonder if your problem is related to the one I posted yesterday > (advice for the mechanically declined). > > I have a Mandrake 8.1 install and a USR 5610 and I have had some > anomalous results in my start-up. Never had this before upgrading to > Mandrake 8.1 from RH 6.2. > > Please see my earlier message. Have you looked at what dmesg prints? > I'd be interested to see if you have the same problem. > > Best, > R Actually yes, after I rebooted and looked again... here it is.. RQ SERIAL_PCI ISAPNP enabled ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A PCI: Found IRQ 4 for device 00:0d.0 Redundant entry in serial pci_table. Please send the output of lspci -vv, this message (4793,4104,4793,215) and the manufacturer and name of serial board or modem board to serial-pci-info@lists.sourceforge.net. ttyS04 at port 0xec00 (irq = 4) is a 16550A RS From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sat Nov 17 00:03:59 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] InstallFest In-Reply-To: <20011031042106.GXOK28415.femail46.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Jay Kline wrote: > How much would they charge? Normally schools and universities give cheap > and/or free rent to organizations... I am meeting with someone tomorrow and i will get all the information then, i was told though that i may need proof of an organization. (i suppose the tc-lug web site will do) we may also need a faculty sponser but i think i have this covered as well i will let you know how it goes... -munir > > \On Tuesday 30 October 2001 05:30 pm, you wrote: > > I am still looking for places to host the installfest, and now that the > > AFCSME strike is over MCTC is a viable option again. I talked to Dana, > > the Network Administrator at MCTC and he is amiable to the idea and has > > suggested a few Rooms that we can use. > > > > The question is: There may be a charge for using the room, it will > > probably be not much but since the TC-LUG tresury(sp?) has active funds of > > about $0s would you be willing to chip in $10 a head for rent and -if > > there is enough left over- Pizza and Drinks? > > > > -Munir > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From tanner at real-time.com Sat Nov 17 00:33:34 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Consulting Practices In-Reply-To: <1005968935.16648.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>; from bradyh@bitstream.net on Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 09:48:54PM -0600 References: <20011116101912.B25774@beaver.iucha.org> <20011116135500.A26124@wookimus.net> <3BF59049.2020902@sodatrain.com> <20011116200935.P16824@real-time.com> <1005968935.16648.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20011116233216.W16824@real-time.com> Quoting Brady Hegberg (bradyh@bitstream.net): > I can state that we got _great_ work from Real Time at my company. > Unfortunately our accounts payable dept proceeded to embarrass me by > giving them the run-around on the bill. Another thing you have to watch > out for as a consultant. Nice catch. Another very, very important aspect is never do work without a signature on some type of statement of work or quote. Putting it on paper gives both you and the client something to refer to if there is some sort of disagreement. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Sat Nov 17 00:35:48 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: Linux and Cell phones In-Reply-To: <20011116223949.T31075@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 10:39:49PM -0600 References: <20011116202845.R16824@real-time.com> <20011116223949.T31075@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20011116234104.X16824@real-time.com> Quoting Scott Dier (dieman+tclug@ringworld.org): > I cant wait to get off of sprintpcs, get a gprs/bluetooth phone, and > have the palm bluetooth addon after I finish out a year of CDPD service > per my at&t wireless contract. (I use it to read sites on the way to > work, slashdot on the bus!) Woah. What provider gives the above? I mean what company? -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From sraun at fireopal.org Sat Nov 17 00:37:30 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Consulting Practices In-Reply-To: <20011116200935.P16824@real-time.com> References: <20011116101912.B25774@beaver.iucha.org> <20011116135500.A26124@wookimus.net> <3BF59049.2020902@sodatrain.com> <20011116200935.P16824@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011116234934.A1255@fireopal.org> On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 08:09:35PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > A BBC. Everything else I could parse - what's a BBC? The first (and only!) thing to come to mind is British Broadcasting Company... -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sat Nov 17 01:34:22 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] os/2, not linux related, help needed Message-ID: I just found a copy of OS/2 Warp V3 and i thought it would be a fun project to install on an older P200, the installation went great but i am having problem with the Network Connection and the Video Card (Diamond Stealth 3d 2000) does anybody know of a forum or user group here in the Twin Cities where i can get help setting this machine up and running? -munir PS: yeah, i know its ancient but i had DOS/Win3.11 on the machine bofore that and next comes linux circa '94 or BeOS or maybe even a *BSD varient... -- From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sat Nov 17 01:36:47 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: Linux and Cell phones In-Reply-To: <20011116234104.X16824@real-time.com> References: <20011116202845.R16824@real-time.com> <20011116223949.T31075@ringworld.org> <20011116234104.X16824@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011117011351.V31075@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [011117 00:40]: > Quoting Scott Dier (dieman+tclug@ringworld.org): > > I cant wait to get off of sprintpcs, get a gprs/bluetooth phone, and > > have the palm bluetooth addon after I finish out a year of CDPD service > > per my at&t wireless contract. (I use it to read sites on the way to > > work, slashdot on the bus!) > Woah. What provider gives the above? I mean what company? Right now I've got a novatel minstrel CDPD modem hooked into a Handera 330 Palm Pilot. (www.novatelwireless.com, www.handera.com) The CDPD service is from AT&T Wireless Data Services for $30/mo flat rate. (http://www.attws.com/bus/sm_biz/ps/data_serv_main.jhtml) (its $54.99 for laptops, suck.) I currently use Handspring's Blazer 2.0 browser. My next generation in about a year or so is going to be getting a GPRS phone such as the Motorola T193, which does GPRS but supposedly will have bluetooth in the future. My *hope* is that I can use bluetooth from the palm to the phone to interact over GPRS. The Palm platform will have a SD/IO bluetooth card this winter for $150. The phone is available via voicestream wireless. Motorola has said they will ship bluetooth add-ons for their phones, but I'm not sure which ones yet. So in theory, I should be able to pull out my palm, and interact with the network while my phone stays in my pocket. (www.voicestream.com, http://commerce.motorola.com/consumer/QWhtml/t192.html, http://canada.motorola.com/asp/english/pcs/bluetooth.asp, http://www.palm.com/roe/about/pr/0106072.html ) (the last link has a paragraph outlining this also) Supposedly SprintPCS is going to do 144kbps next year sometime also, so perhaps I'll stay with sprintpcs. I've got until January/Febuary to figure it out. I might break my AT&T contract if its not horribly bad either, if I can get a data plan for one of these phones for a palm for 5-10MB for a decent price. (one yr contracts suck) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sat Nov 17 01:47:05 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] InstallFest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What the fsck? this was sent out ages ago? is the mailserver still injecting those kernel archives? -munir On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Munir Nassar wrote: > On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Jay Kline wrote: > > > How much would they charge? Normally schools and universities give cheap > > and/or free rent to organizations... > > I am meeting with someone tomorrow and i will get all the information > then, i was told though that i may need proof of an organization. (i > suppose the tc-lug web site will do) we may also need a faculty sponser > but i think i have this covered as well > > i will let you know how it goes... > > -munir > > > > > \On Tuesday 30 October 2001 05:30 pm, you wrote: > > > I am still looking for places to host the installfest, and now that the > > > AFCSME strike is over MCTC is a viable option again. I talked to Dana, > > > the Network Administrator at MCTC and he is amiable to the idea and has > > > suggested a few Rooms that we can use. > > > > > > The question is: There may be a charge for using the room, it will > > > probably be not much but since the TC-LUG tresury(sp?) has active funds of > > > about $0s would you be willing to chip in $10 a head for rent and -if > > > there is enough left over- Pizza and Drinks? > > > > > > -Munir > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sat Nov 17 06:08:02 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux and Win2K TOC the same? In-Reply-To: <20011030222123.C2684@real-time.com> Message-ID: Microsoft has always used the line of Reduced Total Cost of Ownership(TCO) they did a study comparing Windows NT and SCO Unix and Solaris i believe and found that WinNT came in as a cheaper solution... now what does this have to do with Linux? Well, acording to them since linux is pretty much like unix we should expect the same costs. (i dont have a link to their web site right now, i will post it if i find it again) the quoted article is merely repeating and rephrasing a Microsoft study, and we know that these studies are fail and impartial. -munir On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20011030/tc/tech_intel_napster_dc_2.html > > "In any case, using Linux is not much cheaper than Windows 2000. Although Linux > as an operating system is free, the real costs are related to the computers, and > support and maintenance, he said." > > I might be blinded by by religion and this group my not have the ability to let > the religion go, but can anyone look outside the box on this and comment? > > My perspective is Linux is much cheaper then Windows. Even if you pay for a > distro you are starting out ahead. Add the virus resistence, stability, > reliability, and security out of the box. Linux should be have a better TOC then > Win2k. > > From barnabas at knicknack.net Sat Nov 17 07:15:43 2001 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Consulting Practices In-Reply-To: <1005968935.16648.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>; from bradyh@bitstream.net on Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 09:48:54PM -0600 References: <20011116101912.B25774@beaver.iucha.org> <20011116135500.A26124@wookimus.net> <3BF59049.2020902@sodatrain.com> <20011116200935.P16824@real-time.com> <1005968935.16648.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20011117060157.A28846@knicknack.net> This reminds me of a friend who has worked as a consultant/contractor for at least 20 years. Whenever he has trouble getting paid, he sends flowers the the A.P. people at his client sites. And no nasty notes either. He says it works every time. Eric On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 09:48:54PM -0600, Brady Hegberg wrote: > I can state that we got _great_ work from Real Time at my company. > Unfortunately our accounts payable dept proceeded to embarrass me by > giving them the run-around on the bill. Another thing you have to watch > out for as a consultant. > > > We have never been coy about pricing at Real Time. We state we are not the > > cheapest ISP, nor are we the cheapest consulting shop, nor do we want to be > > either of those. > From rechpj at bitstream.net Sat Nov 17 07:22:27 2001 From: rechpj at bitstream.net (Paul Rech) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need book advise In-Reply-To: <004701c16f1a$1cd5efe0$a344a43f@xtratyme.com>; from ray@lctn.k12.mn.us on Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 09:44:07PM -0600 References: <004701c16f1a$1cd5efe0$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> Message-ID: <20011117064238.A956@bitstream.net> On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 09:44:07PM -0600, Raymond Norton wrote: > I have new versions of Sendmail and MySQL running on RH 7.1, but I am very > new to it, so most things are over my head. What would be a good book for > beginners on these subjects? I have "MySQL" by Paul DuBois which I thought was a decent book. The only book I ever had on Sendmail was the Bat book by O'Reilley. Not a good book for beginners though, unless you have someone experienced you can ask questions - in person. Craig Hunt wrote a book on Sendmail recently that you should check out. I have not read it but his TCP/IP book (also from O'Reilley) was the standard for many years, and even I understood most of it. -- Paul Rech pauljrech@acm.org rechpj@bitstream.net prsyscon@real-time.com From rechpj at bitstream.net Sat Nov 17 07:26:56 2001 From: rechpj at bitstream.net (Paul Rech) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Going back to Linux In-Reply-To: <3BF5D61F.34531241@gvtel.com>; from rsinland@gvtel.com on Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 09:14:39PM -0600 References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011116133344.015b20a8@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> <3BF5D61F.34531241@gvtel.com> Message-ID: <20011117065225.A1021@bitstream.net> On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 09:14:39PM -0600, Robert Sinland wrote: > > Should work yes, but every time I try to dial out is says "sorry, the modem is > busy" > and that's as far as I get. > In windows it's sitting on com 3 IRQ 11 > when I look in (what is it /proc?) /pci I see the modem is sitting at irq 4. I used to have to exclude IRQ 4 on my laptop so that the modem was forced to use IRQ 3. That was in /etc/pcmcia/config.opts which applies to a laptop and not a desktop. But maybe there is a similar config file for the desktop as well. -- Paul Rech pauljrech@acm.org rechpj@bitstream.net prsyscon@real-time.com pauljrech@yahoo.com From wilson at visi.com Sat Nov 17 10:19:59 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Consulting Practices In-Reply-To: <20011116234934.A1255@fireopal.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, Scott Raun wrote: > On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 08:09:35PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > > A BBC. > > Everything else I could parse - what's a BBC? The first (and only!) > thing to come to mind is British Broadcasting Company... BBC = "Bootable Business Card" See more at http://lbt.linuxcare.com/index.epl -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From clay at fandre.com Sat Nov 17 11:22:03 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Consulting Practices In-Reply-To: <20011116234934.A1255@fireopal.org> References: <20011116101912.B25774@beaver.iucha.org> <20011116135500.A26124@wookimus.net> <3BF59049.2020902@sodatrain.com> <20011116200935.P16824@real-time.com> <20011116234934.A1255@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <20011117101604.C15784@fandre.com> On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, Scott Raun wrote: > On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 08:09:35PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > > A BBC. > > Everything else I could parse - what's a BBC? The first (and only!) > thing to come to mind is British Broadcasting Company... Bootable Business Card. The greatest tool in a sys-admin's arsenal. I know it saved me a few times... http://open-projects.linuxcare.com/BBC/index.epl From clay at fandre.com Sat Nov 17 11:27:15 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Consulting Practices In-Reply-To: <20011116234934.A1255@fireopal.org> References: <20011116101912.B25774@beaver.iucha.org> <20011116135500.A26124@wookimus.net> <3BF59049.2020902@sodatrain.com> <20011116200935.P16824@real-time.com> <20011116234934.A1255@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <20011117102051.D15784@fandre.com> On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, Scott Raun wrote: > On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 08:09:35PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > > A BBC. > > Everything else I could parse - what's a BBC? The first (and only!) > thing to come to mind is British Broadcasting Company... > Whoops. Here is the actual URL: http://lnx-bbc.org/ From josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org Sat Nov 17 11:40:02 2001 From: josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Consulting Practices In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Oh my. And I thought you meant a BBS or Bulletin Board System. At least that would offer some non-internet stuff. I'll have to check out that business card thingie. Joshua b. Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 http://www.greentechnologist.org On Sat, 17 Nov 2001, Timothy Wilson wrote: > On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, Scott Raun wrote: > > > On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 08:09:35PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > A BBC. > > > > Everything else I could parse - what's a BBC? The first (and only!) > > thing to come to mind is British Broadcasting Company... > > BBC = "Bootable Business Card" > > See more at http://lbt.linuxcare.com/index.epl > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE79pf3fexLsowstzcRAqZhAJ41nuVVdeoaJO0BS5vH0az+a4sNbgCgnL7m vfspupAjqjp0xPKxLz63eag= =JU6A -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From fertch at mninter.net Sat Nov 17 11:45:31 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Linux and Cell phones In-Reply-To: <20011116202845.R16824@real-time.com> References: <20011116202845.R16824@real-time.com> Message-ID: <01111712050700.00222@bleys> On Friday 16 November 2001 20:28, Bob Tanner wrote: > Anyone have any recommendations on cell phones that work best with Linux? > > I know Nate has his Nokia 33xx working IR to his laptop. What about syncing > evolutions stuff with the phone? I have my 61xx Nokia that connect to my modem (Viking pcmcia 56k) via a cable. Linux picked up the modem no problem, and I could dial out without doing any further configuration. Haven't tried infrared however. Not the fastet connection in the world, I think somewhere around 9600-14400 but that's about it. Good enough for text if I need to dial in to work in an emergency for system problems. Would hate to have to run GUI.... Shawn From rsinland at gvtel.com Sat Nov 17 11:47:13 2001 From: rsinland at gvtel.com (Robert Sinland) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Going back to Linux References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011116133344.015b20a8@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> <3BF5D61F.34531241@gvtel.com> <20011117065225.A1021@bitstream.net> Message-ID: <3BF69B2D.4C8DF8D8@gvtel.com> Paul Rech wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 09:14:39PM -0600, Robert Sinland wrote: > > > > Should work yes, but every time I try to dial out is says "sorry, the modem is > > busy" > > and that's as far as I get. > > In windows it's sitting on com 3 IRQ 11 > > when I look in (what is it /proc?) /pci I see the modem is sitting at irq 4. > > I used to have to exclude IRQ 4 on my laptop so that the modem was forced to use > IRQ 3. > That was in /etc/pcmcia/config.opts which applies to a laptop and not a desktop. > But maybe there is a similar config file for the desktop as well. > I just did a fast reinstall and tried for the modem on com 5, or TTYS4 and it found it! Works ok now..Modem that is :) Now to work on firewalls and connection sharing... RS From sraun at fireopal.org Sat Nov 17 12:25:35 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help! Gnome/X font problem Message-ID: <20011117114344.B13580@fireopal.org> Or maybe lack of. All my system text on my Gnome desktop are little boxes. I assume this means I have a font problem ;-) - either a font file has gone missing or bad, or the pointer to it is screwed up. I'm running Debian unstable (Woody?). I just did an apt-get update / apt-get upgrade - I've actually traded one X problem for another. For some reason, I wasn't able to log in using the XDM stuff - now I can log in, but I can't read anything! Any hints? Please? -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Sat Nov 17 13:52:09 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help! Gnome/X font problem In-Reply-To: <20011117114344.B13580@fireopal.org> References: <20011117114344.B13580@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <20011117124121.A9073@pchelka.space.umn.edu> On Sat, Nov 17, 2001 at 11:43:44AM -0600, Scott Raun wrote: > All my system text on my Gnome desktop are little boxes. I assume > this means I have a font problem ;-) - either a font file has gone > missing or bad, or the pointer to it is screwed up. > > I'm running Debian unstable (Woody?). I just did an apt-get update / > apt-get upgrade - I've actually traded one X problem for another. For > some reason, I wasn't able to log in using the XDM stuff - now I can > log in, but I can't read anything! Did you try re-starting X? I ran into a similar problem with woody and mozilla about a week ago, but it went away after a restart. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Cookies are tasty! |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://faircopyright.org/ From rodd at family.mn.mediaone.net Sat Nov 17 13:56:41 2001 From: rodd at family.mn.mediaone.net (Rodd Ahrenstorff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATX case give-away... Message-ID: <200111171855.fAHItfT26875@sprite.real-time.com> Anyone need a large server-type case? I've got a nice heavy-duty case with removable top and sides, 5 device bays, 3 1/2 bay. Don't have any use for it anymore...it's yours for the taking... OR...maybe a donation to TCLUG? _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From esper at sherohman.org Sat Nov 17 14:03:56 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help! Gnome/X font problem In-Reply-To: <20011117114344.B13580@fireopal.org>; from sraun@fireopal.org on Sat, Nov 17, 2001 at 11:43:44AM -0600 References: <20011117114344.B13580@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <20011117130828.G6646@sherohman.org> On Sat, Nov 17, 2001 at 11:43:44AM -0600, Scott Raun wrote: > Or maybe lack of. > > All my system text on my Gnome desktop are little boxes. I assume > this means I have a font problem ;-) - either a font file has gone > missing or bad, or the pointer to it is screwed up. > > I'm running Debian unstable (Woody?). I just did an apt-get update / > apt-get upgrade - I've actually traded one X problem for another. For > some reason, I wasn't able to log in using the XDM stuff - now I can > log in, but I can't read anything! I had a similar problem with certain fonts turning into boxes after an apt-get upgrade in testing. Shutting X completely down and restarting it fixed the problem - I'm guessing I was just referencing some fonts which were either removed or renamed in the upgrade. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Mr. Slippery From clay at fandre.com Sat Nov 17 14:38:31 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help! Gnome/X font problem In-Reply-To: <20011117124121.A9073@pchelka.space.umn.edu> References: <20011117114344.B13580@fireopal.org> <20011117124121.A9073@pchelka.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011117140157.A19047@fandre.com> On Sat, 17 Nov 2001, Jim Crumley wrote: > On Sat, Nov 17, 2001 at 11:43:44AM -0600, Scott Raun wrote: > > All my system text on my Gnome desktop are little boxes. I assume > > this means I have a font problem ;-) - either a font file has gone > > missing or bad, or the pointer to it is screwed up. > > > > I'm running Debian unstable (Woody?). I just did an apt-get update / > > apt-get upgrade - I've actually traded one X problem for another. For > > some reason, I wasn't able to log in using the XDM stuff - now I can > > log in, but I can't read anything! > > Did you try re-starting X? I ran into a similar problem with > woody and mozilla about a week ago, but it went away after a > restart. > Or else switch some font lines in your XF86Config-4 file. http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2001/debian-user-200109/msg00436.html From jim at bleedpurple.com Sat Nov 17 14:42:46 2001 From: jim at bleedpurple.com (Jim Herrick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache error logs In-Reply-To: <20011030233608.B4469@flanders.digsol.net> Message-ID: Read about the ANTI CODE RED SCHEME at: http://24.17.180.183/anticodered.txt Basically, it as the following RewriteRule: RewriteRule ^(.*)/default.ida(.*) http://%{REMOTE_ADDR}/c/inetpub/scripts/root.exe?/c+start+http://24.17.180.183/anticodered.html Jim On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Marc A. Ohmann wrote: > Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 23:36:08 -0600 > From: Marc A. Ohmann > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Apache error logs > > Join the club. By last count I have 71,000 of those in my access_logs. And just over 2000 unique IPs. .exes are Nimda, Code Red [I and II] just looked for default.ida. IIRC > > On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 08:36:34PM -0600, Munir Nassar wrote: > > For a couple of days now i have been getting wierd errors in my Apache > > logs, mostly people doing a GET /dir/cmd.exe, or root.exe > > > > don't these people check the server strings? I may be inexperienced but i > > am not brain dead enough to run IIS. or just even plain windows. > > > > but most importantly: should i report the IPs to someone? (i have about 10 > > different IPs so far) is there anything in particular i should do about > > this? > > > > -munir > > From chrome at real-time.com Sat Nov 17 14:44:28 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] XFree86 config for Nokia 445X at 1152x864 on G400 In-Reply-To: <20011116142808.C26124@wookimus.net>; from chewie@wookimus.net on Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 02:28:08PM -0600 References: <20011116101614.A31592@real-time.com> <20011116142808.C26124@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20011117142059.C16213@real-time.com> > Have you tried running "X -configure" as root? how do you think I came up with the basic configuration framework? :) -configure doesn't deal well with multiple heads yet. :( > It gives a very basic, > but useable probe of the monitor and your card capabilities. yep. it's one of the coolest features they put in X4. > It doesn't > provide a Modes line to the Screen Section, but you don't need that > right away. the basic modelines are built into X4 (near as I can tell). so they're no longer needed in the config file. you only need explicit modelines now, if you're doing nonstandard stuff (odd resolutions, tweaking your refresh rate, timings for whacked-out monitors). > Because of the exclusion of the Modes line, X will try to > go at the highest resolution available that it detects. the other cool new feature of X4. :) goes to the best resolution & refresh rate, rather than the crappiest by default. > If this works, > great! If it doesn't, throw in a Modes line for your desired > resolution, then manually tweak the horizontal frequence range. just found a new modeline generator tool this morning: http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl haven't had time to play with it yet. other generators are at: http://zaph.com/Modeline/ http://www.hut.fi/Misc/Electronics/faq/vga2rgb/calc.html or do 'apt-get install videogen'. (be warned; videogen sucks. it's downright broken in some cases; but it's a command-line tool that does the calculations for you, and can get you decent starting points.) never used kvideogen; tho I hear it's good. wasn't available from its web site, last I looked. > Xvidtune works OK, but it's not really necessary, unless you have a > REALLY broken monitor, one that doesn't report it's capabilities > correctly to X. yep. it's not a tool for the newbie. I barely understand it myself. > In that case, I suggest you read the manual for the > monitor to get it's published capabilities and compute the ModeLines > yourself. manual, what manual? ;> that said; you can usually do a google search and get something off a mailing list, where someone posted config info for their monitor. (which is why I'm contributing back, by posting config info for wacky monitors that I've gotten to work). or else the manufacturer's website; or there may even be a file in your linux distro that has information about monitors. >There is documentation in X to do this. Don't remember off > the top of my head, though. I've done this a number of times for my > stupid Panasonic S70, before I remembered to keep a copy on a medium > that wouldn't get clobbered. yeah, X configs are something that ought to be saved; especially if it's not completely stock. they can be a real pain to rebuild at times. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From tanner at real-time.com Sat Nov 17 14:57:15 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] InstallFest In-Reply-To: ; from nassarmu@redconcepts.net on Sat, Nov 17, 2001 at 12:35:25AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011117143438.D12143@real-time.com> Quoting Munir Nassar (nassarmu@redconcepts.net): > What the fsck? this was sent out ages ago? is the mailserver still > injecting those kernel archives? Yes. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Sat Nov 17 14:59:32 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Consulting Practices In-Reply-To: <20011116234934.A1255@fireopal.org>; from sraun@fireopal.org on Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 11:49:35PM -0600 References: <20011116101912.B25774@beaver.iucha.org> <20011116135500.A26124@wookimus.net> <3BF59049.2020902@sodatrain.com> <20011116200935.P16824@real-time.com> <20011116234934.A1255@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <20011117143527.E12143@real-time.com> Quoting Scott Raun (sraun@fireopal.org): > On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 08:09:35PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > > A BBC. > > Everything else I could parse - what's a BBC? The first (and only!) > thing to come to mind is British Broadcasting Company... > Bootable Business Card linux distro on a mini-cd. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sat Nov 17 16:03:53 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATX case give-away... In-Reply-To: <200111171855.fAHItfT26875@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: I may have a use for it, but i already have 3 computers in my room running 24/7 and the heat output is amazing so i will defer if anybody else needs it... -munir On Sat, 17 Nov 2001, Rodd Ahrenstorff wrote: > Anyone need a large server-type case? I've got a nice heavy-duty case with > removable top and sides, 5 device bays, 3 1/2 bay. Don't have any use for it > anymore...it's yours for the taking... > > OR...maybe a donation to TCLUG? > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Nov 17 17:02:06 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] alternative to MRTG? ..and.. SNMP question Message-ID: <20011117155104.7e2b8283.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Has anyone found a good alternative to MRTG? I like MRTG a lot, but it's lacking in some areas. The configuration file is simple enough to understand, but it gets really cumbersome. So many things have to be changed -- even if you're just duplicating an entry. I also really like RRDtool-generated graphs.. MRTG appears to currently be stuck just graphing two variables.. I really like the output that HotSaNIC (an RRDtool frontend -- http://www.bernisys.prima.de/linux/HotSaNIC) generates. The `halo' idea for seeing the maximum, minimum, and average for a variable is really cool. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear to talk SNMP. Regarding SNMP, does anyone know where to find data about system load or CPU usage as well as disk usage through Solaris's SNMP daemon? Just about everything else seems to get advertised... -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I like to reminisce with / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ people I don't know. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Any estimates for when it'll be done? -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Never let school get in the / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ way of your education. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011117/8aa31fd8/attachment.pgp From doughanson at mediaone.net Sat Nov 17 17:14:08 2001 From: doughanson at mediaone.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATX case give-away... References: <200111171855.fAHItfT26875@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <000b01c16fb5$4b873380$a928f518@mediaone.net> I'll take it Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rodd Ahrenstorff" To: Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 12:55 PM Subject: [TCLUG] ATX case give-away... > Anyone need a large server-type case? I've got a nice heavy-duty case with > removable top and sides, 5 device bays, 3 1/2 bay. Don't have any use for it > anymore...it's yours for the taking... > > OR...maybe a donation to TCLUG? > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From thomas at stderr.net Sat Nov 17 18:11:36 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] alternative to MRTG? ..and.. SNMP question In-Reply-To: <20011117155104.7e2b8283.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Sat, Nov 17, 2001 at 03:51:04PM -0600 References: <20011117155104.7e2b8283.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011118003349.H22504@io.stderr.net> On Sat, Nov 17, 2001 at 03:51:04PM -0600, Mike Hicks wrote: > Has anyone found a good alternative to MRTG? I like MRTG a lot, but it's > lacking in some areas. The configuration file is simple enough to > understand, but it gets really cumbersome. So many things have to be > changed -- even if you're just duplicating an entry. I also really like > RRDtool-generated graphs.. MRTG appears to currently be stuck just > graphing two variables.. I dislike RRDtool generated graphs 'cause the author plasters his name on each and every graph you output with it. *BLEH* -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From jreuter at reuter-engineering.com Sat Nov 17 19:07:30 2001 From: jreuter at reuter-engineering.com (Jon V. Reuter) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat 7.2 Install Problem References: <20011117143438.D12143@real-time.com> <20011117160748.55b2db34.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3BF6FF9C.6DA33DCE@reuter-engineering.com> I have a new machine with an MSI K7T266 Pro (MS-6380) motherboard and an AMD 1.2 GHz processor. When I start the RedHat 7.2 install, it starts loading the initrd.img and then comes to grinding halt at the following message: VP_IDE: Unknown VIA SouthBridge It does this even in expert and rescue modes. Is it possible that this motherboard has a VIA chipset that is not yet supported? I've heard some VIA chipsets have been problematic in Linux. Any comments and/or suggestions? Thank you, Jon Reuter From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sat Nov 17 19:08:47 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] InstallFest In-Reply-To: <20011117160748.55b2db34.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Sat, 17 Nov 2001, Mike Hicks wrote: > Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > Yes. > > How far along is the injection? Any estimates for when it'll be done? Actually what i would really like to know is the processor utilization on the box, it has been about 2 weeks now and even though its a good burn-in dont you think that there is a chance of processor damage? -munir From clay at fandre.com Sat Nov 17 20:39:17 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] alternative to MRTG? ..and.. SNMP question In-Reply-To: <20011117155104.7e2b8283.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> References: <20011117155104.7e2b8283.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011117191828.B19047@fandre.com> Personally I like to create graphs using the GD:Graph perl module. http://www.enstimac.fr/Perl/perl5.6.1/site_perl/5.6.1/GD/Graph.html On Sat, 17 Nov 2001, Mike Hicks wrote: > Has anyone found a good alternative to MRTG? I like MRTG a lot, but it's > lacking in some areas. The configuration file is simple enough to > understand, but it gets really cumbersome. So many things have to be > changed -- even if you're just duplicating an entry. I also really like > RRDtool-generated graphs.. MRTG appears to currently be stuck just > graphing two variables.. > > I really like the output that HotSaNIC (an RRDtool frontend -- > http://www.bernisys.prima.de/linux/HotSaNIC) generates. The `halo' idea > for seeing the maximum, minimum, and average for a variable is really > cool. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear to talk SNMP. > > Regarding SNMP, does anyone know where to find data about system load or > CPU usage as well as disk usage through Solaris's SNMP daemon? Just about > everything else seems to get advertised... > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I like to reminisce with > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ people I don't know. > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From houle at citilink.com Sat Nov 17 21:38:01 2001 From: houle at citilink.com (Terry Houle) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux newsletters Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I am looking for a place to obtain articles for our newsletter that are Linux or open source related. Many non Linux user groups tend to have newsletters and they are available for other not for profit groups to use provided they give credit. Can anyone steer me to some places that may have content available for publishing in our newsletter provided we give them credit. TIA Terry Houle President Twin Cities PC Users Group terry@tcpc.com http://www.tcpc.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Security 7.0.3 iQA/AwUBO/ch5YhJzFXzRbVdEQLFcwCg78mG6t5lywT+v8cGVS/W4dUqk9oAoIHS w8rPFM7RISZ6fcxH4+2rAHFM =giX3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From houle at citilink.com Sat Nov 17 21:39:02 2001 From: houle at citilink.com (Terry Houle) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Agenda PDA Message-ID: Anyone know anything about the Agenda PDA that uses Linux? I was wondering if still in business since I went looking for their booth at Comdex and did not appear they were there. The booth was empty. I know their URL is still active (http://www.agendacomputing.com/) but wondering if I was missing something. Had also sent them some emails a while back but never did get a response. Terry Houle houle@citilink.com http://www.citilink.com/~houle From PaulHarris at Bigfoot.com Sat Nov 17 21:42:57 2001 From: PaulHarris at Bigfoot.com (Paul Harris) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Hacking a WebPlayer Message-ID: <20011118030935.28208.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Hi, Anyone know where I can get a 2.5" Micro IDE cable suitable for connecting to a laptop hard drive? I've tried Micro Center, Computer Renaissance, Best Buy/Circuit City/CompUSA, but no luck. I'm trying to hack a WebPlayer that I only just realized is really a proper PC (see http://www.larwe.com/technical/webplayer_main.html for details). Cheers, Paul From mwagner at mysql.com Sat Nov 17 23:34:15 2001 From: mwagner at mysql.com (Matt Wagner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Local Healthcare -> Consulting Practices In-Reply-To: <3BF59049.2020902@sodatrain.com> References: <20011116101912.B25774@beaver.iucha.org> <20011116135500.A26124@wookimus.net> <3BF59049.2020902@sodatrain.com> Message-ID: <15350.48490.705420.66240@epoc.mwagner.org> Hi, I thought this 'Consulting Practices' thread might be a good one to ask for some advice about healthcare packages that local consultants have found good for themselves. So how about it? Does anybody who is out there consulting have their own healthcare setup? What are the best packages for individuals (with families)? Which ones provide dental with their coverage? Is there any 'gotchas' to watch-out for? My limited checking around flushed out that places like Medica are _way_ too high priced for individuals -- they were something like $15k/yr. But Healthpartners was fairly reasonable -- around $5k/yr. I don't have any information about the BlueCross/Shield providers. Does anybody have any knowledge/experience to contrast Medica and Healthpartners? Is Medica really 3x better? Thanks. Matt -- For technical support contracts, visit https://order.mysql.com/ __ ___ ___ ____ __ / |/ /_ __/ __/ __ \/ / Mr. Matt Wagner / /|_/ / // /\ \/ /_/ / /__ MySQL AB, Herr Direktor /_/ /_/\_, /___/\___\_\___/ Hopkins, Minnesota USA <___/ www.mysql.com From rahrenstorff at yahoo.com Sun Nov 18 00:42:09 2001 From: rahrenstorff at yahoo.com (Rodd Ahrenstorff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] infusion Message-ID: <200111170341.fAH3fST16210@sprite.real-time.com> I'm curious if anyone on this list is using or has experience with the infusion software ( www.shadowcom.net/Software/infusion/) utilizing a Citadel/UX communication server. It looks likes a maturing project useful in the enterprise. Any thoughts or comparisons with Ximian Desktop? _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From rahrenstorff at yahoo.com Sun Nov 18 00:43:32 2001 From: rahrenstorff at yahoo.com (Rodd Ahrenstorff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Arrived in the mail... Message-ID: <200111170452.fAH4qZT17107@sprite.real-time.com> Just got my Mandrake 8.1 DVD...Lots 'o cool stuff...4.3Gig! Can't wait to break that which works now! Linux newbie here we go........ BTW: I've got a DVD writer at work...need to learn/break it in...so uh...anyone want a copy? _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From labmat at mn.mediaone.net Sun Nov 18 00:45:13 2001 From: labmat at mn.mediaone.net (Matthew LaBerge) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Hacking a WebPlayer References: <20011118030935.28208.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Message-ID: <3BF7459E.1010208@mn.mediaone.net> Are you looking for an adapter to hook up this harddrive to an ordinary PC? Because I have a spare adapter that I would be willing to part with. Paul Harris wrote: >Hi, > >Anyone know where I can get a 2.5" Micro IDE cable suitable for connecting to a laptop hard drive? I've tried Micro Center, Computer Renaissance, Best Buy/Circuit City/CompUSA, but no luck. I'm trying to hack a WebPlayer that I only just realized is really a proper PC (see http://www.larwe.com/technical/webplayer_main.html for details). > >Cheers, Paul > > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- ______________________________ Matthew LaBerge labmat@mn.mediaone.net From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sun Nov 18 01:55:23 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Arrived in the mail... In-Reply-To: <200111170452.fAH4qZT17107@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: How much are DVD-Rs nowadays? a while back i read somewhere that the standards were not set yet, will copies work with all PC DVD readers? -munir On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, Rodd Ahrenstorff wrote: > Just got my Mandrake 8.1 DVD...Lots 'o cool stuff...4.3Gig! Can't wait to > break that which works now! Linux newbie here we go........ > > BTW: I've got a DVD writer at work...need to learn/break it in...so > uh...anyone want a copy? > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- From rechpj at bitstream.net Sun Nov 18 09:34:07 2001 From: rechpj at bitstream.net (Paul Rech) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Local Healthcare -> Consulting Practices In-Reply-To: <15350.48490.705420.66240@epoc.mwagner.org>; from mwagner@mysql.com on Sat, Nov 17, 2001 at 01:41:30PM -0600 References: <20011116101912.B25774@beaver.iucha.org> <20011116135500.A26124@wookimus.net> <3BF59049.2020902@sodatrain.com> <15350.48490.705420.66240@epoc.mwagner.org> Message-ID: <20011118090205.A1102@bitstream.net> On Sat, Nov 17, 2001 at 01:41:30PM -0600, Matt Wagner wrote: > Hi, > > I thought this 'Consulting Practices' thread might be a good one to > ask for some advice about healthcare packages that local consultants > have found good for themselves. > > So how about it? Does anybody who is out there consulting have their > own healthcare setup? I do. Through Health Partners. I pay $400/month with a $1000 deductible for a family of 5. So I end up paying at least $6,000 per year. But if you are self-employed you get to deduct about half of that on your taxes. > > What are the best packages for individuals (with families)? "Best" is a loaded word. Not sure how to answer that. > > Which ones provide dental with their coverage? That costs extra, if that's what you mean. I don't carry it so I don't have any idea. I pay out of pocket, which is about the same as paying the insurance, unless your teeth are miserable. I get involved at the dentist. Ask what things cost. Is it really necessary? Why are you hiding behind that leaded glass if x-rays are so harmless? > > Is there any 'gotchas' to watch-out for? Avoid kids. They get sick. You get worried. You take them to the doc. It's nothing. You get a bill. Repeat. > > My limited checking around flushed out that places like Medica are > _way_ too high priced for individuals -- they were something like > $15k/yr. But Healthpartners was fairly reasonable -- around $5k/yr. I > don't have any information about the BlueCross/Shield providers. > > Does anybody have any knowledge/experience to contrast Medica and > Healthpartners? Is Medica really 3x better? The big difference when my wife researched them, was some plans you can go to the doctor you want immediatley without referral. At Health Partners you need to be sent to a specialist. Which has not been a problem for us in 8 years on the plan. Some plans, you can go to any doctor that accepts your insurance, like Blue Cross. With Health Partners, you only see Health Parnter doctors. Again, no problem for us. All the doctors we've had were very good and seemed to give a damn. As far as quality of doctors, they are all the same. My brother is a doctor and I asked him about that. No group has the "best" doctors in town. I'm not selling Health Partners. Make your own choices. You will be paying a lot, no matter who you choose. Just up your fess and pass on the costs. It's the american way. You, or anyone, can e-mail me directly if you'd like more info. -- Paul Rech pauljrech@acm.org rechpj@bitstream.net prsyscon@real-time.com From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sun Nov 18 11:30:22 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Local Healthcare -> Consulting Practices In-Reply-To: <20011118090205.A1102@bitstream.net> References: <20011116101912.B25774@beaver.iucha.org> <20011116135500.A26124@wookimus.net> <3BF59049.2020902@sodatrain.com> <15350.48490.705420.66240@epoc.mwagner.org> <20011118090205.A1102@bitstream.net> Message-ID: <20011118103456.B18625@ringworld.org> * Paul Rech [011118 09:35]: > Blue Cross. With Health Partners, you only see Health Parnter doctors. > Again, no problem for us. All the doctors we've had were very Yeah, healthpartners, formerly known as group death, is pretty cool when you dont have a really icky chronic illness. Perhaps they've changed, but a few years back they denied a close friend surgery to help put the disease into remission because of the cost (they wanted her to see student surgeons to do it instead of the one she trusted and was working with) until her mom took it to the atty. generals office. The doctors were controlled by the HMO, so the procedure couldn't be done without preauthorization. My experiences with healthpartners has been mostly good. The pick-your-care-network stuff is so-so, though. They say you can go see a specialist if you want to, but its got to be in your 'care network'. I've had issues with one specilist once and just stopped going to them until I got off my parents plan and chose a different care network. I'm going to be in Definity Health's insurance plan next year, I'm pretty excited but dont know how its going to work out. www.definityhealth.com -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sun Nov 18 11:37:36 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Local Healthcare -> Consulting Practices In-Reply-To: <20011118090205.A1102@bitstream.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 18 Nov 2001, Paul Rech wrote: > necessary? Why are you hiding behind that leaded glass if x-rays are so harmless? A few exposures to Xrays are no problem, ( a couple hundren xrays fall under the human tollerence range) but when you are an xray technician you get bombarded with xrays 8 hours a day 5 days a week... just like water, you need it to live but too much of it and you drown... > Avoid kids. They get sick. You get worried. You take them to the doc. > It's nothing. You get a bill. Repeat. Plus: Who needs the little shit machines anyways? even though i myself prefer the above comment, i would say have kids if you want, just be prepared for the flu every year and a few stiches and a brocken limb every now and then... DO NOT be worried about every sniffle and cough the kids have, A> they are kids -human kids- , they are tough and they can handle it, go ask your parents or grand parents about when they were sick as kids... B> it is probably nothing a good tea and an aspirin cannot fix C> If it lasts for more than say 3 days then you go to a doc. -munir From list at slushpupie.com Sun Nov 18 12:33:25 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Local Healthcare -> Consulting Practices In-Reply-To: <20011118090205.A1102@bitstream.net> References: <20011116101912.B25774@beaver.iucha.org> <15350.48490.705420.66240@epoc.mwagner.org> <20011118090205.A1102@bitstream.net> Message-ID: <20011118180330.QFST628.femail25.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> On Sunday 18 November 2001 09:02 am, you wrote: > The big difference when my wife researched them, was some plans you can go > to the doctor you want immediatley without referral. At Health Partners > you need to be sent to a specialist. Which has not been a problem for us > in 8 years on the plan. The biggest thing to look at with this is how sick your family gets. When I was younger, my dad's company switched to some off brand insurance (dont remember the name) and all was well and good, because I never got sick. I got really sick once, and it cost us a fortune, because we had to see something like 3 speciallests in the plan before we could be refered to someone outside the plan, and "outside the plan" was any physical theropy (which I needed). > > Some plans, you can go to any doctor that accepts your insurance, like > Blue Cross. With Health Partners, you only see Health Parnter doctors. > Again, no problem for us. All the doctors we've had were very > good and seemed to give a damn. > Being able to go to any doctor is a good thing for the accident prone, and the chronicly ill. If you have a healthy family, and many accidents, then it may not make a difference. > As far as quality of doctors, they are all the same. My brother is a > doctor and I asked him about that. No group has the "best" doctors in > town. > Well, not all doctors are the same, but I agree that no group has the best doctors. Make sure that whatever plan you choose, gives you the choice to switch doctors with ease, as needed. When your 13 year old girl needs to go in for a physical alone for the first time, she may not want to see the 60+ man she has been seeing thus far- its nice to be able to just switch when needed. I think the best part about being able to choose your plan, is you can find one that fits your needs best. Most employers dont give much of a choice (unless you want to do it all on your own) and you get stuck with whatever the bargin of the year was. Good luck in the search, though. Jay -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- October 12, the Discovery. It was wonderful to find America, but it would have been more wonderful to miss it. -- Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar" From phil at rephil.org Sun Nov 18 13:33:31 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (phil@rephil.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Local Healthcare -> Consulting Practices In-Reply-To: ; from nassarmu@redconcepts.net on Sun, Nov 18, 2001 at 10:50:22AM -0600 References: <20011118090205.A1102@bitstream.net> Message-ID: <20011118123714.C14114@rephil.org> On Sun, Nov 18, 2001 at 10:50:22AM -0600, Munir Nassar wrote: > > Avoid kids. They get sick. You get worried. You take them to the doc. > > It's nothing. You get a bill. Repeat. > > Plus: Who needs the little shit machines anyways? Apparently a number of LUG members, including founding member Clay Fandre, more than a couple of others, and myself. Just because you have the freedom to express your opinion doesn't mean it's tactful or in good taste to do so. I'm not interested in being the etiquette police, but there are a lot of people who *do* like kids, and no one on the list who wasn't one once. So chill on the 'tude, dude, or take it off-list. > even though i myself prefer the above comment, i would say have kids if > you want, just be prepared for the flu every year and a few stiches > and a brocken limb every now and then... DO NOT be worried about every > sniffle and cough the kids have, > > A> they are kids -human kids- , they are tough and they can > handle it, go ask your parents or grand parents about when they were sick > as kids... > B> it is probably nothing a good tea and an aspirin cannot fix > C> If it lasts for more than say 3 days then you go to a doc. How many kids do you have? Whether your answers are right or not, you don't get credit for them if you haven't learned them by doing your own work? ;) -- I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. From chewie at wookimus.net Sun Nov 18 14:00:23 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Local Healthcare -> Consulting Practices In-Reply-To: <20011118103456.B18625@ringworld.org> References: <20011116101912.B25774@beaver.iucha.org> <20011116135500.A26124@wookimus.net> <3BF59049.2020902@sodatrain.com> <15350.48490.705420.66240@epoc.mwagner.org> <20011118090205.A1102@bitstream.net> <20011118103456.B18625@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20011118132613.D12976@wookimus.net> On Sun, Nov 18, 2001 at 10:34:56AM -0600, Scott Dier wrote: > Yeah, healthpartners, formerly known as group death, is pretty cool > when you dont have a really icky chronic illness. I see you have the same opinion of HealthPartners as I do. > I'm going to be in Definity Health's insurance plan next year, I'm > pretty excited but dont know how its going to work out. > www.definityhealth.com Likewise. We'll see how well they do. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011118/bce36203/attachment.pgp From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sun Nov 18 14:47:15 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Local Healthcare -> Consulting Practices In-Reply-To: <20011118123714.C14114@rephil.org> References: <20011118090205.A1102@bitstream.net> <20011118123714.C14114@rephil.org> Message-ID: <20011118134950.D18625@ringworld.org> * phil@rephil.org [011118 13:37]: > > Plus: Who needs the little shit machines anyways? > Apparently a number of LUG members, including founding member Clay Thanks, I'll be sure to not direct sarcasm towards your way in the future. Oh, and be sure not to flame me on this, because i didn't originate the sarcasm, remember? -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From jacque at fruitioninc.com Sun Nov 18 14:57:51 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Local Healthcare -> Consulting Practices In-Reply-To: <20011118123714.C14114@rephil.org> Message-ID: We get our insurance thru Preferred One Community Health Plan. It was ~$380/ per month total for two unmarried individuals, co-pay, but no deductable, no lifetime limit. I am slightly less to insure apparently because I'm 5 years younger than my partner, eventhough I am female (capable of reproducing at any minute) and my partner is male. I just got our renewal notice, and because I had appendicitis last year, our rate has increased 36%!! It is now going to be ~$514/ per month for the two of us. Looking on back on this, if you can afford it, have a dedecutable. I'm sure that even with no catastrophic events this year, our rates will probably go up again next year, but perhaps not so dramaticly. ~jacque From mbresnah at visi.com Sun Nov 18 15:01:11 2001 From: mbresnah at visi.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Co-living 100mb and 10mb ethernet Message-ID: Could someone explain to me in a nutshell how 10mb and 100mb co-exist happily on the same ethernet? For example, I have 3PCs and a DSL modem on my local network. 1 PC and the modem have 10mb cards and 2 of the PCs have 100mb cards. When I transfer a file from one of the 100mb machines it takes about 5 times less time than when I transfer to the 10mb machine, so it certainly appears that the network is capable of both speeds. Evidently the 10mb is able to detect and handle collisions with the 100mb and vice versa. Perhaps it's because they both use the same carrier frequency; if they use such a thing? Also, is a 5x speed difference what I should expect? Not 10x? Take pity on me. I'm a software guy. Mike From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Nov 18 15:54:02 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: leonids meteor shower Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0A2@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Did anyone else go outside last night and take a look at the meteor shower? Around 3:30 it was cloudy so I didn't think I'd be able to see it, but I played some Halo on my roomie's Xbox for about an hour and the clouds had gone away. I was able to see about 1 every 5 seconds or so, with several bursts of 5 or 10 of them at once. And that was in Brooklyn park, not in the boonies. Also, since light pollution is such a problem near cities, I wonder if that pollution is mostly around a particular wavelength. If so, would it be possible to make a filter to look through that would not pass a particular range of wavelengths? I'm no physics expert, but something like this might be possible to improve the visibility of objects the sky near large cities. Jay From PaulHarris at Bigfoot.com Sun Nov 18 16:05:02 2001 From: PaulHarris at Bigfoot.com (Paul Harris) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Hacking a WebPlayer Message-ID: <20011118210351.358.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Thanks for the offer Matthew, but I need the actual cable with 44 pin female connectors on both ends to provide a hard drive to my webplayer. Looks like I'll have to get it from the internet. Cheers, Paul >From: Matthew LaBerge > >Are you looking for an adapter to hook up this harddrive to an ordinary >PC? Because I have a spare adapter that I would be willing to part with. >Paul Harris wrote: >Hi, > >Anyone know where I can get a 2.5" Micro IDE cable suitable for connecting to a laptop hard drive? I've tried Micro Center, Computer Renaissance, Best Buy/Circuit City/CompUSA, but no luck. I'm trying to hack a WebPlayer that I only just realized is really a proper PC (see http://www.larwe.com/technical/webplayer_main.html for details). > >Cheers, Paul From dsherman at real-time.com Sun Nov 18 16:53:32 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: leonids meteor shower In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0A2@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0A2@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <1006121123.8682.0.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> On Sun, 2001-11-18 at 14:54, Austad, Jay wrote: > Did anyone else go outside last night and take a look at the meteor shower? > Around 3:30 it was cloudy so I didn't think I'd be able to see it, but I > played some Halo on my roomie's Xbox for about an hour and the clouds had > gone away. I was able to see about 1 every 5 seconds or so, with several > bursts of 5 or 10 of them at once. And that was in Brooklyn park, not in > the boonies. > > Also, since light pollution is such a problem near cities, I wonder if that > pollution is mostly around a particular wavelength. If so, would it be > possible to make a filter to look through that would not pass a particular > range of wavelengths? I'm no physics expert, but something like this might > be possible to improve the visibility of objects the sky near large cities. I camped out under the stars last night in Wisconsin (East Farmington, near Osseola), and enjoyed the show from about 1 AM until it got cloudy around 4. I went to sleep, then woke up again around 5, but it was still too cloudy to see anything, so I slept the rest of the night. It was nice while it lasted, though. Dave -- Suspicion always haunts the guilty mind. -- Wm. Shakespeare -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011118/73848fae/attachment.pgp From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sun Nov 18 17:01:25 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: leonids meteor shower In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0A2@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0A2@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011118162520.E18625@ringworld.org> * Austad, Jay [011118 15:56]: > Did anyone else go outside last night and take a look at the meteor shower? > Around 3:30 it was cloudy so I didn't think I'd be able to see it, but I ~3am it was clear, I saw a couple here and there. > Also, since light pollution is such a problem near cities, I wonder if that > pollution is mostly around a particular wavelength. If so, would it be Downtown had all the crazy-lights turned off. I was surprised. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From chrome at real-time.com Sun Nov 18 17:21:04 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: leonids meteor shower In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0A2@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Sun, Nov 18, 2001 at 02:54:06PM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0A2@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011118160640.A31890@real-time.com> > Also, since light pollution is such a problem near cities, I wonder if that > pollution is mostly around a particular wavelength. If so, would it be > possible to make a filter to look through that would not pass a particular > range of wavelengths? I'm no physics expert, but something like this might > be possible to improve the visibility of objects the sky near large cities. yes, it's possible to filter out some wavelengths of light pollution. problem is that there are a lot of different wavelengths to filter out, depending on what kind of light pollution. High-pressure sodium, low-pressure sodium, mercury-vapor, household incandescent, and all the varieties of 'neon' each give off their own range of wavelengths. So if you're near high-pressure sodium highway lights, you'll have a different problem than if it's your neighbor's million-watt bug zapper. there was a really good article in Astronomy magazine about the subject, quite a few years back (like 10 years ago, when I was still reading it). try looking it up in the library. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From houle at citilink.com Sun Nov 18 18:57:35 2001 From: houle at citilink.com (Terry Houle) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Install Fest Registration Message-ID: Just a fyi that when I tried to register using Opera 5.12 browser it would not bring up the form. Regretably using IE it came up. ;-( Terry Houle houle@citilink.com http://www.citilink.com/~houle From ray at lctn.k12.mn.us Sun Nov 18 21:00:34 2001 From: ray at lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] alternative to napster? Message-ID: <008401c1709d$45dd6c40$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> I have a friend under the gun to get a digital video project edited. He is looking for online songs from bands like Leonard Skinard, and REO Speed Wagon, etc.. Is there a good place to still find downloads of this music? Raymond From clay at fandre.com Sun Nov 18 21:05:38 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Install Fest Registration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011118200316.A31987@fandre.com> Anyone else confirm this? I'm using Opera 5.05 for Linux and it works just fine. On Sun, 18 Nov 2001, Terry Houle wrote: > Just a fyi that when I tried to register using Opera 5.12 browser it would > not bring up the form. Regretably using IE it came up. ;-( > > Terry Houle > houle@citilink.com > http://www.citilink.com/~houle > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jacque at fruitioninc.com Sun Nov 18 21:07:25 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: leonids meteor shower In-Reply-To: <1006121123.8682.0.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> Message-ID: Mike and I drove up a little past Forest Lake around 1 and we stayed out there until about 3. I was too tired to stay up any later. Saw many many beautiful bright ones, with really long tails. I wish I could have stayed up a little bit later. Still enjoyed it! ~j > From john at mn.mediaone.net Sun Nov 18 21:34:34 2001 From: john at mn.mediaone.net (johndmiller) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GD Library Message-ID: I am trying to install the GD graphics library. It needed the jpeglib, pnglib, and wanted Freetype library. I have download the source, compiled, and installed them. When I compile the GD source code I get a crap load of errors. Here is the first few errors gdttf.c:66: parse error before `TT_Engine' gdttf.c:66: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union gdttf.c:67: warning: data definition has no type or storage class gdttf.c:68: parse error before `properties' gdttf.c:68: warning: data definition has no type or storage class gdttf.c:69: parse error before `instance' gdttf.c:69: warning: data definition has no type or storage class gdttf.c:70: parse error before `char_map_Unicode' gdttf.c:70: warning: data definition has no type or storage class gdttf.c:72: parse error before `matrix' gdttf.c:72: warning: data definition has no type or storage class gdttf.c:73: parse error before `imetrics' gdttf.c:73: warning: data definition has no type or storage class gdttf.c:75: parse error before `}' gdttf.c:75: warning: data definition has no type or storage class gdttf.c:81: parse error before `TT_Engine' gdttf.c:81: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union gdttf.c:82: warning: data definition has no type or storage class gdttf.c:87: parse error before `TT_Glyph' gdttf.c:87: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union gdttf.c:88: warning: data definition has no type or storage class Attached is the source file. I would appreciate any help where/how to fix this. TIA John Miller -------------- next part -------------- /********************************************/ /* gd interface to freetype library */ /* */ /* DEPRECATED -- backwards compatibility */ /* */ /* John Ellson ellson@lucent.com */ /********************************************/ #include #include #include #include #include "gd.h" #ifndef HAVE_LIBTTF char * gdImageStringTTF(gdImage *im, int *brect, int fg, char *fontname, double ptsize, double angle, int x, int y, char *string) { return "libgd was not built with TrueType font support\n"; } #else #include "gdcache.h" #include "freetype/freetype.h" /* number of fonts cached before least recently used is replaced */ #define FONTCACHESIZE 6 /* number of character glyphs cached per font before least-recently-used is replaced */ #define GLYPHCACHESIZE 120 /* number of bitmaps cached per glyph before least-recently-used is replaced */ #define BITMAPCACHESIZE 8 /* number of antialias color lookups cached */ #define TWEENCOLORCACHESIZE 32 /* ptsize below which anti-aliasing is ineffective */ #define MINANTIALIASPTSIZE 0 /* display resolution - (Not really. This has to be 96 or hinting is wrong) */ #define RESOLUTION 96 /* Number of colors used for anti-aliasing */ #define NUMCOLORS 4 /* Line separation as a factor of font height. No space between if LINESPACE = 1.00 Line separation will be rounded up to next pixel row*/ #define LINESPACE 1.05 #ifndef TRUE #define FALSE 0 #define TRUE !FALSE #endif #define MAX(a,b) ((a)>(b)?(a):(b)) #define MIN(a,b) ((a)<(b)?(a):(b)) typedef struct { char *fontname; /* key */ double ptsize; /* key */ double angle; /* key */ double sin_a, cos_a; TT_Engine *engine; TT_Face face; TT_Face_Properties properties; TT_Instance instance; TT_CharMap char_map_Unicode, char_map_Big5, char_map_Sjis, char_map_Roman; int have_char_map_Unicode, have_char_map_Big5, have_char_map_Sjis, have_char_map_Roman; TT_Matrix matrix; TT_Instance_Metrics imetrics; gdCache_head_t *glyphCache; } font_t; typedef struct { char *fontname; /* key */ double ptsize; /* key */ double angle; /* key */ TT_Engine *engine; } fontkey_t; typedef struct { int character; /* key */ int hinting; /* key */ TT_Glyph glyph; TT_Glyph_Metrics metrics; TT_Outline outline; TT_Pos oldx, oldy; TT_Raster_Map Bit; int gray_render; int xmin, xmax, ymin, ymax; gdCache_head_t *bitmapCache; } glyph_t; typedef struct { int character; /* key */ int hinting; /* key */ font_t *font; } glyphkey_t; typedef struct { int xoffset; /* key */ int yoffset; /* key */ char *bitmap; } bitmap_t; typedef struct { int xoffset; /* key */ int yoffset; /* key */ glyph_t *glyph; } bitmapkey_t; typedef struct { unsigned char pixel; /* key */ unsigned char bgcolor; /* key */ int fgcolor; /* key */ /* -ve means no antialias */ gdImagePtr im; /* key */ unsigned char tweencolor; } tweencolor_t; typedef struct { unsigned char pixel; /* key */ unsigned char bgcolor; /* key */ int fgcolor; /* key */ /* -ve means no antialias */ gdImagePtr im; /* key */ } tweencolorkey_t; /* forward declarations so that glyphCache can be initialized by font code */ static int glyphTest ( void *element, void *key ); static void *glyphFetch ( char **error, void *key ); static void glyphRelease( void *element ); /* forward declarations so that bitmapCache can be initialized by glyph code */ static int bitmapTest ( void *element, void *key ); static void *bitmapFetch ( char **error, void *key ); static void bitmapRelease( void *element ); /******************************************************************** * gdTcl_UtfToUniChar is borrowed from ... */ /* * tclUtf.c -- * * Routines for manipulating UTF-8 strings. * * Copyright (c) 1997-1998 Sun Microsystems, Inc. * * See the file "license.terms" for information on usage and redistribution * of this file, and for a DISCLAIMER OF ALL WARRANTIES. * * SCCS: @(#) tclUtf.c 1.25 98/01/28 18:02:43 */ /* *--------------------------------------------------------------------------- * * gdTcl_UtfToUniChar -- * * Extract the Tcl_UniChar represented by the UTF-8 string. Bad * UTF-8 sequences are converted to valid Tcl_UniChars and processing * continues. Equivalent to Plan 9 chartorune(). * * The caller must ensure that the source buffer is long enough that * this routine does not run off the end and dereference non-existent * memory looking for trail bytes. If the source buffer is known to * be '\0' terminated, this cannot happen. Otherwise, the caller * should call Tcl_UtfCharComplete() before calling this routine to * ensure that enough bytes remain in the string. * * Results: * *chPtr is filled with the Tcl_UniChar, and the return value is the * number of bytes from the UTF-8 string that were consumed. * * Side effects: * None. * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------- */ #ifdef JISX0208 #include "jisx0208.h" #endif #define Tcl_UniChar int #define TCL_UTF_MAX 3 static int gdTcl_UtfToUniChar(char *str, Tcl_UniChar *chPtr) /* str is the UTF8 next character pointer */ /* chPtr is the int for the result */ { int byte; /* HTML4.0 entities in decimal form, e.g. Å */ byte = *((unsigned char *) str); if (byte == '&') { int i, n=0; byte = *((unsigned char *) (str+1)); if (byte == '#') { for (i = 2; i < 8; i++) { byte = *((unsigned char *) (str+i)); if (byte >= '0' && byte <= '9') { n = (n * 10) + (byte - '0'); } else break; } if (byte == ';') { *chPtr = (Tcl_UniChar) n; return ++i; } } } /* * Unroll 1 to 3 byte UTF-8 sequences, use loop to handle longer ones. */ byte = *((unsigned char *) str); #ifdef JISX0208 if (0xA1 <= byte && byte <= 0xFE) { int jiscode, ku, ten; jiscode = 0x100 * (byte & 0x7F) + (str[1] & 0x7F); ku = (jiscode >> 8) - 0x20; ten = (jiscode % 256) - 0x20; if ( (ku < 1 || ku > 92) || (ten < 1 || ten > 94) ) { *chPtr = (Tcl_UniChar) byte; return 1; } *chPtr = (Tcl_UniChar) UnicodeTbl[ku - 1][ten - 1]; return 2; } else #endif /* JISX0208 */ if (byte < 0xC0) { /* * Handles properly formed UTF-8 characters between 0x01 and 0x7F. * Also treats \0 and naked trail bytes 0x80 to 0xBF as valid * characters representing themselves. */ *chPtr = (Tcl_UniChar) byte; return 1; } else if (byte < 0xE0) { if ((str[1] & 0xC0) == 0x80) { /* * Two-byte-character lead-byte followed by a trail-byte. */ *chPtr = (Tcl_UniChar) (((byte & 0x1F) << 6) | (str[1] & 0x3F)); return 2; } /* * A two-byte-character lead-byte not followed by trail-byte * represents itself. */ *chPtr = (Tcl_UniChar) byte; return 1; } else if (byte < 0xF0) { if (((str[1] & 0xC0) == 0x80) && ((str[2] & 0xC0) == 0x80)) { /* * Three-byte-character lead byte followed by two trail bytes. */ *chPtr = (Tcl_UniChar) (((byte & 0x0F) << 12) | ((str[1] & 0x3F) << 6) | (str[2] & 0x3F)); return 3; } /* * A three-byte-character lead-byte not followed by two trail-bytes * represents itself. */ *chPtr = (Tcl_UniChar) byte; return 1; } #if TCL_UTF_MAX > 3 else { int ch, total, trail; total = totalBytes[byte]; trail = total - 1; if (trail > 0) { ch = byte & (0x3F >> trail); do { str++; if ((*str & 0xC0) != 0x80) { *chPtr = byte; return 1; } ch <<= 6; ch |= (*str & 0x3F); trail--; } while (trail > 0); *chPtr = ch; return total; } } #endif *chPtr = (Tcl_UniChar) byte; return 1; } /********************************************************************/ /* font cache functions */ static int fontTest ( void *element, void *key ) { font_t *a=(font_t *)element; fontkey_t *b=(fontkey_t *)key; return ( strcmp(a->fontname, b->fontname) == 0 && a->ptsize == b->ptsize && a->angle == b->angle); } static void * fontFetch ( char **error, void *key ) { TT_Error err; font_t *a; fontkey_t *b=(fontkey_t *)key; int i, n, map_found; short platform, encoding; a = (font_t *)malloc(sizeof(font_t)); a->fontname = (char *)malloc(strlen(b->fontname) + 1); strcpy(a->fontname,b->fontname); a->ptsize = b->ptsize; a->angle = b->angle; a->sin_a = sin(a->angle); a->cos_a = cos(a->angle); a->engine = b->engine; if ((err = TT_Open_Face(*b->engine, a->fontname, &a->face))) { if (err == TT_Err_Could_Not_Open_File) { *error = "Could not find/open font"; } else { *error = "Could not read font"; } return NULL; } /* get face properties and allocate preload arrays */ TT_Get_Face_Properties(a->face, &a->properties); /* create instance */ if (TT_New_Instance(a->face, &a->instance)) { *error = "Could not create face instance"; return NULL; } if (TT_Set_Instance_Resolutions(a->instance, RESOLUTION, RESOLUTION)) { *error = "Could not set device resolutions"; return NULL; } if (TT_Set_Instance_CharSize(a->instance, (TT_F26Dot6)(a->ptsize*64))) { *error = "Could not set character size"; return NULL; } TT_Get_Instance_Metrics(a->instance, &a->imetrics); /* FIXME - This mapping stuff is imcomplete - where is the spec? */ n = TT_Get_CharMap_Count(a->face); map_found = 0; a->have_char_map_Unicode = 0; a->have_char_map_Big5 = 0; a->have_char_map_Sjis = 0; a->have_char_map_Roman = 0; for (i = 0; i < n; i++) { TT_Get_CharMap_ID(a->face, i, &platform, &encoding); if ((platform == 3 && encoding == 1) /* Windows Unicode */ || (platform == 3 && encoding == 0) /* Windows Symbol */ || (platform == 2 && encoding == 1) /* ISO Unicode */ || (platform == 0)) { /* Apple Unicode */ TT_Get_CharMap(a->face, i, &a->char_map_Unicode); a->have_char_map_Unicode = 1; map_found++; } else if (platform == 3 && encoding == 4) { /* Windows Big5 */ TT_Get_CharMap(a->face, i, &a->char_map_Big5); a->have_char_map_Big5 = 1; map_found++; } else if (platform == 3 && encoding == 2) { /* Windows Sjis */ TT_Get_CharMap(a->face, i, &a->char_map_Sjis); a->have_char_map_Sjis = 1; map_found++; } else if ((platform == 1 && encoding == 0) /* Apple Roman */ || (platform == 2 && encoding == 0)) { /* ISO ASCII */ TT_Get_CharMap(a->face, i, &a->char_map_Roman); a->have_char_map_Roman = 1; map_found++; } } if (! map_found) { *error = "Unable to find a CharMap that I can handle"; return NULL; } a->matrix.xx = (TT_Fixed) (a->cos_a * (1<<16)); a->matrix.yx = (TT_Fixed) (a->sin_a * (1<<16)); a->matrix.xy = - a->matrix.yx; a->matrix.yy = a->matrix.xx; a->glyphCache = gdCacheCreate( GLYPHCACHESIZE, glyphTest, glyphFetch, glyphRelease); return (void *)a; } static void fontRelease( void *element ) { font_t *a=(font_t *)element; gdCacheDelete(a->glyphCache); TT_Done_Instance(a->instance); TT_Close_Face(a->face); free(a->fontname); free( (char *)element ); } /********************************************************************/ /* glyph cache functions */ static int glyphTest ( void *element, void *key ) { glyph_t *a=(glyph_t *)element; glyphkey_t *b=(glyphkey_t *)key; return (a->character == b->character && a->hinting == b->hinting); } static void * glyphFetch ( char **error, void *key ) { glyph_t *a; glyphkey_t *b=(glyphkey_t *)key; short glyph_code; int flags, err; int crect[8], xmin, xmax, ymin, ymax; double cos_a, sin_a; a = (glyph_t *)malloc(sizeof(glyph_t)); a->character = b->character; a->hinting = b->hinting; a->gray_render = (b->font->ptsize < MINANTIALIASPTSIZE)?FALSE:TRUE; a->oldx = a->oldy = 0; /* create glyph container */ if ((TT_New_Glyph(b->font->face, &a->glyph))) { *error = "Could not create glyph container"; return NULL; } flags = TTLOAD_SCALE_GLYPH; if (a->hinting && b->font->angle == 0.0) { flags |= TTLOAD_HINT_GLYPH; } if (b->font->have_char_map_Unicode) { glyph_code = TT_Char_Index(b->font->char_map_Unicode, a->character); } else if (a->character < 161 && b->font->have_char_map_Roman) { glyph_code = TT_Char_Index(b->font->char_map_Roman, a->character); } else if ( b->font->have_char_map_Big5) { glyph_code = TT_Char_Index(b->font->char_map_Big5, a->character); } else if ( b->font->have_char_map_Sjis) { glyph_code = TT_Char_Index(b->font->char_map_Sjis, a->character); } if ((err=TT_Load_Glyph(b->font->instance, a->glyph, glyph_code, flags))) { *error = "TT_Load_Glyph problem"; return NULL; } TT_Get_Glyph_Metrics(a->glyph, &a->metrics); if (b->font->angle != 0.0) { TT_Get_Glyph_Outline(a->glyph, &a->outline); TT_Transform_Outline(&a->outline, &b->font->matrix); } /* calculate bitmap size */ xmin = a->metrics.bbox.xMin -64; ymin = a->metrics.bbox.yMin -64; xmax = a->metrics.bbox.xMax +64; ymax = a->metrics.bbox.yMax +64; cos_a = b->font->cos_a; sin_a = b->font->sin_a; crect[0] = (int)(xmin * cos_a - ymin * sin_a); crect[1] = (int)(xmin * sin_a + ymin * cos_a); crect[2] = (int)(xmax * cos_a - ymin * sin_a); crect[3] = (int)(xmax * sin_a + ymin * cos_a); crect[4] = (int)(xmax * cos_a - ymax * sin_a); crect[5] = (int)(xmax * sin_a + ymax * cos_a); crect[6] = (int)(xmin * cos_a - ymax * sin_a); crect[7] = (int)(xmin * sin_a + ymax * cos_a); a->xmin = MIN(MIN(crect[0],crect[2]),MIN(crect[4],crect[6])); a->xmax = MAX(MAX(crect[0],crect[2]),MAX(crect[4],crect[6])); a->ymin = MIN(MIN(crect[1],crect[3]),MIN(crect[5],crect[7])); a->ymax = MAX(MAX(crect[1],crect[3]),MAX(crect[5],crect[7])); /* allocate bitmap large enough for character */ a->Bit.rows = (a->ymax - a->ymin + 32 + 64) / 64; a->Bit.width = (a->xmax - a->xmin + 32 + 64) / 64; a->Bit.flow = TT_Flow_Up; if (a->gray_render) { a->Bit.cols = a->Bit.width; /* 1 byte per pixel */ } else { a->Bit.cols = (a->Bit.width + 7) / 8; /* 1 bit per pixel */ } a->Bit.cols = (a->Bit.cols + 3) & ~3; /* pad to 32 bits */ a->Bit.size = a->Bit.rows * a->Bit.cols; /* # of bytes in buffer */ a->Bit.bitmap = NULL; a->bitmapCache = gdCacheCreate( BITMAPCACHESIZE, bitmapTest, bitmapFetch, bitmapRelease); return (void *)a; } static void glyphRelease( void *element ) { glyph_t *a=(glyph_t *)element; gdCacheDelete(a->bitmapCache); TT_Done_Glyph( a->glyph ); free( (char *)element ); } /********************************************************************/ /* bitmap cache functions */ static int bitmapTest ( void *element, void *key ) { bitmap_t *a=(bitmap_t *)element; bitmapkey_t *b=(bitmapkey_t *)key; if (a->xoffset == b->xoffset && a->yoffset == b->yoffset) { b->glyph->Bit.bitmap = a->bitmap; return TRUE; } return FALSE; } static void * bitmapFetch ( char **error, void *key ) { bitmap_t *a; bitmapkey_t *b=(bitmapkey_t *)key; a = (bitmap_t *)malloc(sizeof(bitmap_t)); a->xoffset = b->xoffset; a->yoffset = b->yoffset; b->glyph->Bit.bitmap = a->bitmap = (char *)malloc(b->glyph->Bit.size); memset(a->bitmap, 0, b->glyph->Bit.size); /* render glyph */ if (b->glyph->gray_render) { TT_Get_Glyph_Pixmap(b->glyph->glyph, &b->glyph->Bit, a->xoffset, a->yoffset); } else { TT_Get_Glyph_Bitmap(b->glyph->glyph, &b->glyph->Bit, a->xoffset, a->yoffset); } return (void *)a; } static void bitmapRelease( void *element ) { bitmap_t *a=(bitmap_t *)element; free( a->bitmap ); free( (char *)element ); } /********************************************************************/ /* tweencolor cache functions */ static int tweenColorTest (void *element, void *key) { tweencolor_t *a=(tweencolor_t *)element; tweencolorkey_t *b=(tweencolorkey_t *)key; return (a->pixel == b->pixel && a->bgcolor == b->bgcolor && a->fgcolor == b->fgcolor && a->im == b->im); } static void * tweenColorFetch (char **error, void *key) { tweencolor_t *a; tweencolorkey_t *b=(tweencolorkey_t *)key; int pixel, npixel, bg, fg; gdImagePtr im; a = (tweencolor_t *)malloc(sizeof(tweencolor_t)); pixel = a->pixel = b->pixel; bg = a->bgcolor = b->bgcolor; fg = a->fgcolor = b->fgcolor; im = b->im; /* if fg is specified by a negative color idx, then don't antialias */ if (fg <0) { a->tweencolor = -fg; } else { npixel = NUMCOLORS - pixel; a->tweencolor = gdImageColorResolve(im, (pixel * im->red [fg] + npixel * im->red [bg]) / NUMCOLORS, (pixel * im->green[fg] + npixel * im->green[bg]) / NUMCOLORS, (pixel * im->blue [fg] + npixel * im->blue [bg]) / NUMCOLORS); } *error = NULL; return (void *)a; } static void tweenColorRelease(void *element) { free((char *)element); } /********************************************************************/ /* gdttfchar - render one character onto a gd image */ char * gdttfchar(gdImage *im, int fg, font_t *font, int x, int y, /* string start pos in pixels */ TT_F26Dot6 x1, TT_F26Dot6 y1, /* char start offset (*64) from x,y */ TT_F26Dot6 *advance, TT_BBox **bbox, char **next) { int pc, ch, len; int row, col; int x2, y2; /* char start pos in pixels */ int x3, y3; /* current pixel pos */ unsigned char *pixel; glyph_t *glyph; glyphkey_t glyphkey; bitmapkey_t bitmapkey; tweencolor_t *tweencolor; tweencolorkey_t tweencolorkey; /****** set up tweenColorCache on first call ************/ static gdCache_head_t *tweenColorCache; if (! tweenColorCache) tweenColorCache = gdCacheCreate(TWEENCOLORCACHESIZE, tweenColorTest, tweenColorFetch, tweenColorRelease); /**************/ if (font->have_char_map_Unicode) { /* use UTF-8 mapping from ASCII */ len = gdTcl_UtfToUniChar(*next, &ch); *next += len; } else if (font->have_char_map_Sjis) { unsigned char c; int jiscode; c = (unsigned char)(**next); if ( 0xA1 <= c && c <= 0xFE ) { (*next)++; jiscode = 0x100 * ((c)&0x7F) + ((**next)&0x7F); ch = (jiscode >> 8) & 0xFF; jiscode &= 0xFF; if (ch & 1) jiscode += 0x40 - 0x21; else jiscode += 0x9E - 0x21; if (jiscode >= 0x7F) jiscode++; ch = (ch - 0x21) / 2 + 0x81; if (ch >= 0xA0) ch += 0x40; ch = (ch << 8) + jiscode; } else ch = (**next) & 255; /* don't extend sign */ (*next)++; } else { /* * Big 5 mapping: * use "JIS-8 half-width katakana" coding from 8-bit characters. Ref: * ftp://ftp.ora.com/pub/examples/nutshell/ujip/doc/japan.inf-032092.sjs */ ch = (**next) & 255; /* don't extend sign */ (*next)++; if (ch >= 161 /* first code of JIS-8 pair */ && **next) { /* don't advance past '\0' */ /* TBB: fix from Kwok Wah On: & 255 needed */ ch = (ch * 256) + ((**next) & 255); (*next)++; } } glyphkey.character = ch; glyphkey.hinting = 1; glyphkey.font = font; glyph = (glyph_t *)gdCacheGet(font->glyphCache, &glyphkey); if (! glyph) return font->glyphCache->error; *bbox = &glyph->metrics.bbox; *advance = glyph->metrics.advance; /* if null *im, or invalid color, then assume user just wants brect */ if (!im || fg > 255 || fg < -255) return (char *)NULL; /* render (via cache) a bitmap for the current fractional offset */ bitmapkey.xoffset = ((x1+32) & 63) - 32 - ((glyph->xmin+32) & -64); bitmapkey.yoffset = ((y1+32) & 63) - 32 - ((glyph->ymin+32) & -64); bitmapkey.glyph = glyph; gdCacheGet(glyph->bitmapCache, &bitmapkey); /* copy to gif, mapping colors */ x2 = x + (((glyph->xmin+32) & -64) + ((x1+32) & -64)) / 64; y2 = y - (((glyph->ymin+32) & -64) + ((y1+32) & -64)) / 64; tweencolorkey.fgcolor = fg; tweencolorkey.im = im; for (row = 0; row < glyph->Bit.rows; row++) { if (glyph->gray_render) pc = row * glyph->Bit.cols; else pc = row * glyph->Bit.cols * 8; y3 = y2 - row; if (y3 >= im->sy || y3 < 0) continue; for (col = 0; col < glyph->Bit.width; col++, pc++) { if (glyph->gray_render) { tweencolorkey.pixel = *((unsigned char *)(glyph->Bit.bitmap) + pc); } else { tweencolorkey.pixel = (((*((unsigned char *)(glyph->Bit.bitmap) + pc/8)) <<(pc%8))&128)?4:0; } /* if not background */ if (tweencolorkey.pixel > 0) { x3 = x2 + col; if (x3 >= im->sx || x3 < 0) continue; pixel = &im->pixels[y3][x3]; tweencolorkey.bgcolor = *pixel; tweencolor = (tweencolor_t *)gdCacheGet( tweenColorCache, &tweencolorkey); *pixel = tweencolor->tweencolor; } } } return (char *)NULL; } extern int any2eucjp(unsigned char *, unsigned char *, unsigned int); /********************************************************************/ /* gdImageStringTTF - render a utf8 string onto a gd image */ char * gdImageStringTTF(gdImage *im, int *brect, int fg, char *fontname, double ptsize, double angle, int x, int y, char *string) { TT_F26Dot6 ur_x=0, ur_y=0, ll_x=0, ll_y=0; TT_F26Dot6 advance_x, advance_y, advance, x1, y1; TT_BBox *bbox; double sin_a, cos_a; int i=0, ch; font_t *font; fontkey_t fontkey; char *error, *next; /* 1.7.2: initialize this variable. */ char *tmpstr = 0; /****** initialize font engine on first call ************/ static gdCache_head_t *fontCache; static TT_Engine engine; if (! fontCache) { if (TT_Init_FreeType(&engine)) { return "Failure to initialize font engine"; } fontCache = gdCacheCreate( FONTCACHESIZE, fontTest, fontFetch, fontRelease); } /**************/ /* get the font (via font cache) */ fontkey.fontname = fontname; fontkey.ptsize = ptsize; fontkey.angle = angle; fontkey.engine = &engine; font = (font_t *)gdCacheGet(fontCache, &fontkey); if (! font) { return fontCache->error; } sin_a = font->sin_a; cos_a = font->cos_a; advance_x = advance_y = 0; #ifndef JISX0208 if (font->have_char_map_Sjis) { #endif if (tmpstr = (unsigned char *)malloc(BUFSIZ)) { any2eucjp(tmpstr, string, BUFSIZ); next=tmpstr; } else next=string; #ifndef JISX0208 } else next=string; #endif while (*next) { ch = *next; /* carriage returns */ if (ch == '\r') { advance_x = 0; next++; continue; } /* newlines */ if (ch == '\n') { advance_y -= (TT_F26Dot6)(font->imetrics.y_ppem * LINESPACE * 64); advance_y = (advance_y-32) & -64; /* round to next pixel row */ next++; continue; } x1 = (TT_F26Dot6)(advance_x * cos_a - advance_y * sin_a); y1 = (TT_F26Dot6)(advance_x * sin_a + advance_y * cos_a); if ((error=gdttfchar(im, fg, font, x, y, x1, y1, &advance, &bbox, &next))) return error; if (! i++) { /* if first character, init BB corner values */ ll_x = bbox->xMin; ll_y = bbox->yMin; ur_x = bbox->xMax; ur_y = bbox->yMax; } else { if (! advance_x) ll_x = MIN(bbox->xMin, ll_x); ll_y = MIN(advance_y + bbox->yMin, ll_y); ur_x = MAX(advance_x + bbox->xMax, ur_x); if (! advance_y) ur_y = MAX(bbox->yMax, ur_y); } advance_x += advance; } /* rotate bounding rectangle */ brect[0] = (int)(ll_x * cos_a - ll_y * sin_a); brect[1] = (int)(ll_x * sin_a + ll_y * cos_a); brect[2] = (int)(ur_x * cos_a - ll_y * sin_a); brect[3] = (int)(ur_x * sin_a + ll_y * cos_a); brect[4] = (int)(ur_x * cos_a - ur_y * sin_a); brect[5] = (int)(ur_x * sin_a + ur_y * cos_a); brect[6] = (int)(ll_x * cos_a - ur_y * sin_a); brect[7] = (int)(ll_x * sin_a + ur_y * cos_a); /* scale, round and offset brect */ i = 0; while (i<8) { brect[i] = x + (brect[i] + 32) / 64; i++; brect[i] = y - (brect[i] + 32) / 64; i++; } if ( tmpstr ) free(tmpstr); return (char *)NULL; } #endif /* HAVE_LIBTTF */ From rsinland at gvtel.com Sun Nov 18 22:02:32 2001 From: rsinland at gvtel.com (Robert Sinland) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] alternative to napster? References: <008401c1709d$45dd6c40$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> Message-ID: <3BF87CB8.8FE551EA@gvtel.com> try Morpheus...it's for windows though, and watch out for viri... RS Raymond Norton wrote: > I have a friend under the gun to get a digital video project edited. He is > looking for online songs from bands like Leonard Skinard, and REO Speed > Wagon, etc.. Is there a good place to still find downloads of this music? > > Raymond > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cgahlon at citilink.com Sun Nov 18 23:05:52 2001 From: cgahlon at citilink.com (Christopher Gahlon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] alternative to napster? References: <008401c1709d$45dd6c40$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> Message-ID: <3BF889A2.19353D58@citilink.com> Try WinMX. Chris Gahlon Raymond Norton wrote: > > I have a friend under the gun to get a digital video project edited. He is > looking for online songs from bands like Leonard Skinard, and REO Speed > Wagon, etc.. Is there a good place to still find downloads of this music? > > Raymond > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From houle at citilink.com Sun Nov 18 23:07:50 2001 From: houle at citilink.com (Terry Houle) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Install Fest Registration In-Reply-To: <20011118200316.A31987@fandre.com> Message-ID: Also should of clarified that my Opera is for Windows. That probably explains it . -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Clay Fandre Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 8:03 PM To: TCLUG Mail List Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Install Fest Registration Anyone else confirm this? I'm using Opera 5.05 for Linux and it works just fine. On Sun, 18 Nov 2001, Terry Houle wrote: > Just a fyi that when I tried to register using Opera 5.12 browser it would > not bring up the form. Regretably using IE it came up. ;-( > > From eng at pinenet.com Sun Nov 18 23:09:41 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: leonids meteor shower Message-ID: <01C17081.A5EF4CA0.eng@pinenet.com> I live in the boonies (about 100 miles north of the cities) and my wife and I went out to see the show about 3am. The sky was clear but I didn't see as many as that, maybe because I welded most of the day. My wife saw more than I did. Certainly worth the price of the ticket. From rahrenstorff at yahoo.com Mon Nov 19 01:21:12 2001 From: rahrenstorff at yahoo.com (Rodd Ahrenstorff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Arrived in the mail... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200111181456.fAIEuQT07448@sprite.real-time.com> My station bought 2 DVD writers, both Pioneer brand, and I believe the cost was around $700/per. Thus far, we have only encoded video for playback in DVD format. I haven't acutally burned a data disk. The endcoded video played back just fine on several different DVD players. The media runs about $25/per disk. I'll first try to copy this Mandrake 8.1 DVD just as a backup for my original, as it's bootable and contains all three download disks plus many extras. As to the computer case, you were the first to respond. That makes it yours, unless you would like to defer to Doug Hanson. On Sunday 18 November 2001 12:48 am, you wrote: > How much are DVD-Rs nowadays? a while back i read somewhere that the > standards were not set yet, will copies work with all PC DVD readers? > > -munir _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Nov 19 02:18:48 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] alternative to napster? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0A3@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Try Audiogalaxy.com. They have a linux version also. The nice thing about audio galaxy is that you can leave the client running on your nice fast connection at work, and then use their web interface to select the music you want, and it will suck it all down for you and you'll have it when you go in the next morning. One late night, 3 of us were using it, and the MRTG graphs showed a 35Mbit spike of incoming traffic for about a 2 hour period. :) Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Gahlon [mailto:cgahlon@citilink.com] > Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 10:25 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] alternative to napster? > > > Try WinMX. > > Chris Gahlon > > Raymond Norton wrote: > > > > I have a friend under the gun to get a digital video > project edited. He is > > looking for online songs from bands like Leonard Skinard, > and REO Speed > > Wagon, etc.. Is there a good place to still find downloads > of this music? > > > > Raymond > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From clay at fandre.com Mon Nov 19 05:50:06 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Co-living 100mb and 10mb ethernet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011119050000.A10830@fandre.com> What are you connecting them with? You are usually restricted by the hub/switch that you use. Most switches allow for different speeds on different ports. This doesn't mean that the same wire is using both, but rather each connection to the switch is running at a different speed. (10 or 100) My switch has leds that tell me what each port is set to. AFAIK, a hub won't work at 2 different speeds. On Sun, 18 Nov 2001, Mike Bresnahan wrote: > Could someone explain to me in a nutshell how 10mb and 100mb co-exist > happily on the same ethernet? For example, I have 3PCs and a DSL modem on > my local network. 1 PC and the modem have 10mb cards and 2 of the PCs have > 100mb cards. When I transfer a file from one of the 100mb machines it takes > about 5 times less time than when I transfer to the 10mb machine, so it > certainly appears that the network is capable of both speeds. Evidently the > 10mb is able to detect and handle collisions with the 100mb and vice versa. > Perhaps it's because they both use the same carrier frequency; if they use > such a thing? Also, is a 5x speed difference what I should expect? Not > 10x? > > Take pity on me. I'm a software guy. > > Mike > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net Mon Nov 19 07:56:42 2001 From: markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] alternative to napster? References: <008401c1709d$45dd6c40$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> Message-ID: <000e01c170fc$20eda800$1e02a8c0@zippy> I use bearshare. I have been using it under windows; I don't know if there is a *nix port. Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Norton" To: Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 7:55 PM Subject: [TCLUG] alternative to napster? I have a friend under the gun to get a digital video project edited. He is looking for online songs from bands like Leonard Skinard, and REO Speed Wagon, etc.. Is there a good place to still find downloads of this music? Raymond _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Mon Nov 19 07:58:44 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GD Library In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011119071836.A12603@fandre.com> Have you looked it up at http://groups.google.com? http://groups.google.com/groups?threadm=00a601c0c454%243b1c9600%24d367aad0%40dealnews.com&rnum=2&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dparse%2Berror%2Bbefore%2B%2560TT_Engine%2527%26rnum%3D2%26selm%3D00a601c0c454%25243b1c9600%2524d367aad0%2540dealnews.com On Sun, 18 Nov 2001, johndmiller wrote: > I am trying to install the GD graphics library. It needed the jpeglib, > pnglib, and wanted Freetype library. I have download the source, > compiled, and installed them. > > When I compile the GD source code I get a crap load of errors. Here is > the first few errors > > gdttf.c:66: parse error before `TT_Engine' > gdttf.c:66: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union > gdttf.c:67: warning: data definition has no type or storage class > gdttf.c:68: parse error before `properties' > gdttf.c:68: warning: data definition has no type or storage class > gdttf.c:69: parse error before `instance' > gdttf.c:69: warning: data definition has no type or storage class > gdttf.c:70: parse error before `char_map_Unicode' > gdttf.c:70: warning: data definition has no type or storage class > gdttf.c:72: parse error before `matrix' > gdttf.c:72: warning: data definition has no type or storage class > gdttf.c:73: parse error before `imetrics' > gdttf.c:73: warning: data definition has no type or storage class > gdttf.c:75: parse error before `}' > gdttf.c:75: warning: data definition has no type or storage class > gdttf.c:81: parse error before `TT_Engine' > gdttf.c:81: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union > gdttf.c:82: warning: data definition has no type or storage class > gdttf.c:87: parse error before `TT_Glyph' > gdttf.c:87: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union > gdttf.c:88: warning: data definition has no type or storage class > > Attached is the source file. I would appreciate any help where/how to fix > this. > > TIA > John Miller > > > /********************************************/ > /* gd interface to freetype library */ > /* */ > /* DEPRECATED -- backwards compatibility */ > /* */ > /* John Ellson ellson@lucent.com */ > /********************************************/ > > #include > #include > #include > #include > #include "gd.h" > #ifndef HAVE_LIBTTF > char * gdImageStringTTF(gdImage *im, int *brect, int fg, char *fontname, > double ptsize, double angle, int x, int y, char *string) > { > return "libgd was not built with TrueType font support\n"; > } > #else > > #include "gdcache.h" > #include "freetype/freetype.h" > > /* number of fonts cached before least recently used is replaced */ > #define FONTCACHESIZE 6 > > /* number of character glyphs cached per font before > least-recently-used is replaced */ > #define GLYPHCACHESIZE 120 > > /* number of bitmaps cached per glyph before > least-recently-used is replaced */ > #define BITMAPCACHESIZE 8 > > /* number of antialias color lookups cached */ > #define TWEENCOLORCACHESIZE 32 > > /* ptsize below which anti-aliasing is ineffective */ > #define MINANTIALIASPTSIZE 0 > > /* display resolution - (Not really. This has to be 96 or hinting is wrong) */ > #define RESOLUTION 96 > > /* Number of colors used for anti-aliasing */ > #define NUMCOLORS 4 > > /* Line separation as a factor of font height. > No space between if LINESPACE = 1.00 > Line separation will be rounded up to next pixel row*/ > #define LINESPACE 1.05 > > #ifndef TRUE > #define FALSE 0 > #define TRUE !FALSE > #endif > > #define MAX(a,b) ((a)>(b)?(a):(b)) > #define MIN(a,b) ((a)<(b)?(a):(b)) > > typedef struct { > char *fontname; /* key */ > double ptsize; /* key */ > double angle; /* key */ > double sin_a, cos_a; > TT_Engine *engine; > TT_Face face; > TT_Face_Properties properties; > TT_Instance instance; > TT_CharMap char_map_Unicode, char_map_Big5, char_map_Sjis, char_map_Roman; > int have_char_map_Unicode, have_char_map_Big5, have_char_map_Sjis, have_char_map_Roman; > TT_Matrix matrix; > TT_Instance_Metrics imetrics; > gdCache_head_t *glyphCache; > } font_t; > > typedef struct { > char *fontname; /* key */ > double ptsize; /* key */ > double angle; /* key */ > TT_Engine *engine; > } fontkey_t; > > typedef struct { > int character; /* key */ > int hinting; /* key */ > TT_Glyph glyph; > TT_Glyph_Metrics metrics; > TT_Outline outline; > TT_Pos oldx, oldy; > TT_Raster_Map Bit; > int gray_render; > int xmin, xmax, ymin, ymax; > gdCache_head_t *bitmapCache; > } glyph_t; > > typedef struct { > int character; /* key */ > int hinting; /* key */ > font_t *font; > } glyphkey_t; > > typedef struct { > int xoffset; /* key */ > int yoffset; /* key */ > char *bitmap; > } bitmap_t; > > typedef struct { > int xoffset; /* key */ > int yoffset; /* key */ > glyph_t *glyph; > } bitmapkey_t; > > typedef struct { > unsigned char pixel; /* key */ > unsigned char bgcolor; /* key */ > int fgcolor; /* key */ /* -ve means no antialias */ > gdImagePtr im; /* key */ > unsigned char tweencolor; > } tweencolor_t; > > typedef struct { > unsigned char pixel; /* key */ > unsigned char bgcolor; /* key */ > int fgcolor; /* key */ /* -ve means no antialias */ > gdImagePtr im; /* key */ > } tweencolorkey_t; > > /* forward declarations so that glyphCache can be initialized by font code */ > static int glyphTest ( void *element, void *key ); > static void *glyphFetch ( char **error, void *key ); > static void glyphRelease( void *element ); > > /* forward declarations so that bitmapCache can be initialized by glyph code */ > static int bitmapTest ( void *element, void *key ); > static void *bitmapFetch ( char **error, void *key ); > static void bitmapRelease( void *element ); > > /******************************************************************** > * gdTcl_UtfToUniChar is borrowed from ... > */ > /* > * tclUtf.c -- > * > * Routines for manipulating UTF-8 strings. > * > * Copyright (c) 1997-1998 Sun Microsystems, Inc. > * > * See the file "license.terms" for information on usage and redistribution > * of this file, and for a DISCLAIMER OF ALL WARRANTIES. > * > * SCCS: @(#) tclUtf.c 1.25 98/01/28 18:02:43 > */ > > /* > *--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > * > * gdTcl_UtfToUniChar -- > * > * Extract the Tcl_UniChar represented by the UTF-8 string. Bad > * UTF-8 sequences are converted to valid Tcl_UniChars and processing > * continues. Equivalent to Plan 9 chartorune(). > * > * The caller must ensure that the source buffer is long enough that > * this routine does not run off the end and dereference non-existent > * memory looking for trail bytes. If the source buffer is known to > * be '\0' terminated, this cannot happen. Otherwise, the caller > * should call Tcl_UtfCharComplete() before calling this routine to > * ensure that enough bytes remain in the string. > * > * Results: > * *chPtr is filled with the Tcl_UniChar, and the return value is the > * number of bytes from the UTF-8 string that were consumed. > * > * Side effects: > * None. > * > *--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > */ > > #ifdef JISX0208 > #include "jisx0208.h" > #endif > > #define Tcl_UniChar int > #define TCL_UTF_MAX 3 > static int > gdTcl_UtfToUniChar(char *str, Tcl_UniChar *chPtr) > /* str is the UTF8 next character pointer */ > /* chPtr is the int for the result */ > { > int byte; > > /* HTML4.0 entities in decimal form, e.g. Å */ > byte = *((unsigned char *) str); > if (byte == '&') { > int i, n=0; > > byte = *((unsigned char *) (str+1)); > if (byte == '#') { > for (i = 2; i < 8; i++) { > byte = *((unsigned char *) (str+i)); > if (byte >= '0' && byte <= '9') { > n = (n * 10) + (byte - '0'); > } > else > break; > } > if (byte == ';') { > *chPtr = (Tcl_UniChar) n; > return ++i; > } > } > } > > /* > * Unroll 1 to 3 byte UTF-8 sequences, use loop to handle longer ones. > */ > > byte = *((unsigned char *) str); > #ifdef JISX0208 > if (0xA1 <= byte && byte <= 0xFE) { > int jiscode, ku, ten; > > jiscode = 0x100 * (byte & 0x7F) + (str[1] & 0x7F); > ku = (jiscode >> 8) - 0x20; > ten = (jiscode % 256) - 0x20; > if ( (ku < 1 || ku > 92) || (ten < 1 || ten > 94) ) { > *chPtr = (Tcl_UniChar) byte; > return 1; > } > > *chPtr = (Tcl_UniChar) UnicodeTbl[ku - 1][ten - 1]; > return 2; > } else > #endif /* JISX0208 */ > if (byte < 0xC0) { > /* > * Handles properly formed UTF-8 characters between 0x01 and 0x7F. > * Also treats \0 and naked trail bytes 0x80 to 0xBF as valid > * characters representing themselves. > */ > > *chPtr = (Tcl_UniChar) byte; > return 1; > } else if (byte < 0xE0) { > if ((str[1] & 0xC0) == 0x80) { > /* > * Two-byte-character lead-byte followed by a trail-byte. > */ > > *chPtr = (Tcl_UniChar) (((byte & 0x1F) << 6) | (str[1] & 0x3F)); > return 2; > } > /* > * A two-byte-character lead-byte not followed by trail-byte > * represents itself. > */ > > *chPtr = (Tcl_UniChar) byte; > return 1; > } else if (byte < 0xF0) { > if (((str[1] & 0xC0) == 0x80) && ((str[2] & 0xC0) == 0x80)) { > /* > * Three-byte-character lead byte followed by two trail bytes. > */ > > *chPtr = (Tcl_UniChar) (((byte & 0x0F) << 12) > | ((str[1] & 0x3F) << 6) | (str[2] & 0x3F)); > return 3; > } > /* > * A three-byte-character lead-byte not followed by two trail-bytes > * represents itself. > */ > > *chPtr = (Tcl_UniChar) byte; > return 1; > } > #if TCL_UTF_MAX > 3 > else { > int ch, total, trail; > > total = totalBytes[byte]; > trail = total - 1; > if (trail > 0) { > ch = byte & (0x3F >> trail); > do { > str++; > if ((*str & 0xC0) != 0x80) { > *chPtr = byte; > return 1; > } > ch <<= 6; > ch |= (*str & 0x3F); > trail--; > } while (trail > 0); > *chPtr = ch; > return total; > } > } > #endif > > *chPtr = (Tcl_UniChar) byte; > return 1; > } > > /********************************************************************/ > /* font cache functions */ > > static int > fontTest ( void *element, void *key ) > { > font_t *a=(font_t *)element; > fontkey_t *b=(fontkey_t *)key; > > return ( strcmp(a->fontname, b->fontname) == 0 > && a->ptsize == b->ptsize > && a->angle == b->angle); > } > > static void * > fontFetch ( char **error, void *key ) > { > TT_Error err; > font_t *a; > fontkey_t *b=(fontkey_t *)key; > int i, n, map_found; > short platform, encoding; > > a = (font_t *)malloc(sizeof(font_t)); > a->fontname = (char *)malloc(strlen(b->fontname) + 1); > strcpy(a->fontname,b->fontname); > a->ptsize = b->ptsize; > a->angle = b->angle; > a->sin_a = sin(a->angle); > a->cos_a = cos(a->angle); > a->engine = b->engine; > if ((err = TT_Open_Face(*b->engine, a->fontname, &a->face))) { > if (err == TT_Err_Could_Not_Open_File) { > *error = "Could not find/open font"; > } > else { > *error = "Could not read font"; > } > return NULL; > } > /* get face properties and allocate preload arrays */ > TT_Get_Face_Properties(a->face, &a->properties); > > /* create instance */ > if (TT_New_Instance(a->face, &a->instance)) { > *error = "Could not create face instance"; > return NULL; > } > > if (TT_Set_Instance_Resolutions(a->instance, RESOLUTION, RESOLUTION)) { > *error = "Could not set device resolutions"; > return NULL; > } > > if (TT_Set_Instance_CharSize(a->instance, (TT_F26Dot6)(a->ptsize*64))) { > *error = "Could not set character size"; > return NULL; > } > > TT_Get_Instance_Metrics(a->instance, &a->imetrics); > > > /* FIXME - This mapping stuff is imcomplete - where is the spec? */ > > n = TT_Get_CharMap_Count(a->face); > > map_found = 0; > a->have_char_map_Unicode = 0; > a->have_char_map_Big5 = 0; > a->have_char_map_Sjis = 0; > a->have_char_map_Roman = 0; > for (i = 0; i < n; i++) { > TT_Get_CharMap_ID(a->face, i, &platform, &encoding); > if ((platform == 3 && encoding == 1) /* Windows Unicode */ > || (platform == 3 && encoding == 0) /* Windows > Symbol */ > > || (platform == 2 && encoding == 1) /* ISO Unicode */ > || (platform == 0)) { /* Apple Unicode */ > TT_Get_CharMap(a->face, i, &a->char_map_Unicode); > a->have_char_map_Unicode = 1; > map_found++; > } else if (platform == 3 && encoding == 4) { /* Windows Big5 */ > TT_Get_CharMap(a->face, i, &a->char_map_Big5); > a->have_char_map_Big5 = 1; > map_found++; > } else if (platform == 3 && encoding == 2) { /* Windows Sjis */ > TT_Get_CharMap(a->face, i, &a->char_map_Sjis); > a->have_char_map_Sjis = 1; > map_found++; > } else if ((platform == 1 && encoding == 0) /* Apple Roman */ > || (platform == 2 && encoding == 0)) { /* ISO ASCII */ > TT_Get_CharMap(a->face, i, &a->char_map_Roman); > a->have_char_map_Roman = 1; > map_found++; > } > } > > if (! map_found) { > *error = "Unable to find a CharMap that I can handle"; > return NULL; > } > > a->matrix.xx = (TT_Fixed) (a->cos_a * (1<<16)); > a->matrix.yx = (TT_Fixed) (a->sin_a * (1<<16)); > a->matrix.xy = - a->matrix.yx; > a->matrix.yy = a->matrix.xx; > > a->glyphCache = gdCacheCreate( GLYPHCACHESIZE, > glyphTest, glyphFetch, glyphRelease); > > return (void *)a; > } > > static void > fontRelease( void *element ) > { > font_t *a=(font_t *)element; > > gdCacheDelete(a->glyphCache); > TT_Done_Instance(a->instance); > TT_Close_Face(a->face); > free(a->fontname); > free( (char *)element ); > } > > /********************************************************************/ > /* glyph cache functions */ > > static int > glyphTest ( void *element, void *key ) > { > glyph_t *a=(glyph_t *)element; > glyphkey_t *b=(glyphkey_t *)key; > > return (a->character == b->character > && a->hinting == b->hinting); > } > > static void * > glyphFetch ( char **error, void *key ) > { > glyph_t *a; > glyphkey_t *b=(glyphkey_t *)key; > short glyph_code; > int flags, err; > int crect[8], xmin, xmax, ymin, ymax; > double cos_a, sin_a; > > a = (glyph_t *)malloc(sizeof(glyph_t)); > a->character = b->character; > a->hinting = b->hinting; > a->gray_render = (b->font->ptsize < MINANTIALIASPTSIZE)?FALSE:TRUE; > a->oldx = a->oldy = 0; > > /* create glyph container */ > if ((TT_New_Glyph(b->font->face, &a->glyph))) { > *error = "Could not create glyph container"; > return NULL; > } > > flags = TTLOAD_SCALE_GLYPH; > if (a->hinting && b->font->angle == 0.0) { > flags |= TTLOAD_HINT_GLYPH; > } > if (b->font->have_char_map_Unicode) { > glyph_code = TT_Char_Index(b->font->char_map_Unicode, a->character); > } else if (a->character < 161 && b->font->have_char_map_Roman) { > glyph_code = TT_Char_Index(b->font->char_map_Roman, a->character); > } else if ( b->font->have_char_map_Big5) { > glyph_code = TT_Char_Index(b->font->char_map_Big5, a->character); > } else if ( b->font->have_char_map_Sjis) { > glyph_code = TT_Char_Index(b->font->char_map_Sjis, a->character); > } > if ((err=TT_Load_Glyph(b->font->instance, a->glyph, glyph_code, flags))) { > *error = "TT_Load_Glyph problem"; > return NULL; > } > > TT_Get_Glyph_Metrics(a->glyph, &a->metrics); > if (b->font->angle != 0.0) { > TT_Get_Glyph_Outline(a->glyph, &a->outline); > TT_Transform_Outline(&a->outline, &b->font->matrix); > } > > /* calculate bitmap size */ > xmin = a->metrics.bbox.xMin -64; > ymin = a->metrics.bbox.yMin -64; > xmax = a->metrics.bbox.xMax +64; > ymax = a->metrics.bbox.yMax +64; > > cos_a = b->font->cos_a; > sin_a = b->font->sin_a; > crect[0] = (int)(xmin * cos_a - ymin * sin_a); > crect[1] = (int)(xmin * sin_a + ymin * cos_a); > crect[2] = (int)(xmax * cos_a - ymin * sin_a); > crect[3] = (int)(xmax * sin_a + ymin * cos_a); > crect[4] = (int)(xmax * cos_a - ymax * sin_a); > crect[5] = (int)(xmax * sin_a + ymax * cos_a); > crect[6] = (int)(xmin * cos_a - ymax * sin_a); > crect[7] = (int)(xmin * sin_a + ymax * cos_a); > a->xmin = MIN(MIN(crect[0],crect[2]),MIN(crect[4],crect[6])); > a->xmax = MAX(MAX(crect[0],crect[2]),MAX(crect[4],crect[6])); > a->ymin = MIN(MIN(crect[1],crect[3]),MIN(crect[5],crect[7])); > a->ymax = MAX(MAX(crect[1],crect[3]),MAX(crect[5],crect[7])); > > /* allocate bitmap large enough for character */ > a->Bit.rows = (a->ymax - a->ymin + 32 + 64) / 64; > a->Bit.width = (a->xmax - a->xmin + 32 + 64) / 64; > a->Bit.flow = TT_Flow_Up; > if (a->gray_render) { > a->Bit.cols = a->Bit.width; /* 1 byte per pixel */ > } > else { > a->Bit.cols = (a->Bit.width + 7) / 8; /* 1 bit per pixel */ > } > a->Bit.cols = (a->Bit.cols + 3) & ~3; /* pad to 32 bits */ > a->Bit.size = a->Bit.rows * a->Bit.cols; /* # of bytes in buffer */ > a->Bit.bitmap = NULL; > > a->bitmapCache = gdCacheCreate( BITMAPCACHESIZE, > bitmapTest, bitmapFetch, bitmapRelease); > > return (void *)a; > } > > static void > glyphRelease( void *element ) > { > glyph_t *a=(glyph_t *)element; > > gdCacheDelete(a->bitmapCache); > TT_Done_Glyph( a->glyph ); > free( (char *)element ); > } > > /********************************************************************/ > /* bitmap cache functions */ > > static int > bitmapTest ( void *element, void *key ) > { > bitmap_t *a=(bitmap_t *)element; > bitmapkey_t *b=(bitmapkey_t *)key; > > if (a->xoffset == b->xoffset && a->yoffset == b->yoffset) { > b->glyph->Bit.bitmap = a->bitmap; > return TRUE; > } > return FALSE; > } > > static void * > bitmapFetch ( char **error, void *key ) > { > bitmap_t *a; > bitmapkey_t *b=(bitmapkey_t *)key; > > a = (bitmap_t *)malloc(sizeof(bitmap_t)); > a->xoffset = b->xoffset; > a->yoffset = b->yoffset; > > b->glyph->Bit.bitmap = a->bitmap = (char *)malloc(b->glyph->Bit.size); > memset(a->bitmap, 0, b->glyph->Bit.size); > /* render glyph */ > if (b->glyph->gray_render) { > TT_Get_Glyph_Pixmap(b->glyph->glyph, &b->glyph->Bit, > a->xoffset, a->yoffset); > } > else { > TT_Get_Glyph_Bitmap(b->glyph->glyph, &b->glyph->Bit, > a->xoffset, a->yoffset); > } > return (void *)a; > } > > static void > bitmapRelease( void *element ) > { > bitmap_t *a=(bitmap_t *)element; > > free( a->bitmap ); > free( (char *)element ); > } > > /********************************************************************/ > /* tweencolor cache functions */ > > static int > tweenColorTest (void *element, void *key) > { > tweencolor_t *a=(tweencolor_t *)element; > tweencolorkey_t *b=(tweencolorkey_t *)key; > > return (a->pixel == b->pixel > && a->bgcolor == b->bgcolor > && a->fgcolor == b->fgcolor > && a->im == b->im); > } > > static void * > tweenColorFetch (char **error, void *key) > { > tweencolor_t *a; > tweencolorkey_t *b=(tweencolorkey_t *)key; > int pixel, npixel, bg, fg; > gdImagePtr im; > > a = (tweencolor_t *)malloc(sizeof(tweencolor_t)); > pixel = a->pixel = b->pixel; > bg = a->bgcolor = b->bgcolor; > fg = a->fgcolor = b->fgcolor; > im = b->im; > > /* if fg is specified by a negative color idx, then don't antialias */ > if (fg <0) { > a->tweencolor = -fg; > } else { > npixel = NUMCOLORS - pixel; > a->tweencolor = gdImageColorResolve(im, > (pixel * im->red [fg] + npixel * im->red [bg]) / NUMCOLORS, > (pixel * im->green[fg] + npixel * im->green[bg]) / NUMCOLORS, > (pixel * im->blue [fg] + npixel * im->blue [bg]) / NUMCOLORS); > } > *error = NULL; > return (void *)a; > } > > static void > tweenColorRelease(void *element) > { > free((char *)element); > } > > /********************************************************************/ > /* gdttfchar - render one character onto a gd image */ > > char * > gdttfchar(gdImage *im, int fg, font_t *font, > int x, int y, /* string start pos in pixels */ > TT_F26Dot6 x1, TT_F26Dot6 y1, /* char start offset (*64) from x,y */ > TT_F26Dot6 *advance, > TT_BBox **bbox, > char **next) > { > int pc, ch, len; > int row, col; > int x2, y2; /* char start pos in pixels */ > int x3, y3; /* current pixel pos */ > unsigned char *pixel; > > glyph_t *glyph; > glyphkey_t glyphkey; > bitmapkey_t bitmapkey; > tweencolor_t *tweencolor; > tweencolorkey_t tweencolorkey; > > /****** set up tweenColorCache on first call ************/ > static gdCache_head_t *tweenColorCache; > > if (! tweenColorCache) > tweenColorCache = gdCacheCreate(TWEENCOLORCACHESIZE, > tweenColorTest, tweenColorFetch, tweenColorRelease); > /**************/ > > if (font->have_char_map_Unicode) { /* use UTF-8 mapping from ASCII */ > len = gdTcl_UtfToUniChar(*next, &ch); > *next += len; > } else > if (font->have_char_map_Sjis) { > unsigned char c; > int jiscode; > > c = (unsigned char)(**next); > if ( 0xA1 <= c && c <= 0xFE ) { > (*next)++; > jiscode = 0x100 * ((c)&0x7F) + ((**next)&0x7F); > > ch = (jiscode >> 8) & 0xFF; > jiscode &= 0xFF; > > if (ch & 1) jiscode += 0x40 - 0x21; > else jiscode += 0x9E - 0x21; > > if (jiscode >= 0x7F) jiscode++; > ch = (ch - 0x21) / 2 + 0x81; > if (ch >= 0xA0) ch += 0x40; > > ch = (ch << 8) + jiscode; > } else > ch = (**next) & 255; /* don't extend sign */ > (*next)++; > } else { > /* > * Big 5 mapping: > * use "JIS-8 half-width katakana" coding from 8-bit characters. Ref: > * ftp://ftp.ora.com/pub/examples/nutshell/ujip/doc/japan.inf-032092.sjs > */ > ch = (**next) & 255; /* don't extend sign */ > (*next)++; > if (ch >= 161 /* first code of JIS-8 pair */ > && **next) { /* don't advance past '\0' */ > /* TBB: fix from Kwok Wah On: & 255 needed */ > ch = (ch * 256) + ((**next) & 255); > (*next)++; > } > } > > glyphkey.character = ch; > glyphkey.hinting = 1; > glyphkey.font = font; > glyph = (glyph_t *)gdCacheGet(font->glyphCache, &glyphkey); > if (! glyph) > return font->glyphCache->error; > > *bbox = &glyph->metrics.bbox; > *advance = glyph->metrics.advance; > > /* if null *im, or invalid color, then assume user just wants brect */ > if (!im || fg > 255 || fg < -255) > return (char *)NULL; > > /* render (via cache) a bitmap for the current fractional offset */ > bitmapkey.xoffset = ((x1+32) & 63) - 32 - ((glyph->xmin+32) & -64); > bitmapkey.yoffset = ((y1+32) & 63) - 32 - ((glyph->ymin+32) & -64); > bitmapkey.glyph = glyph; > gdCacheGet(glyph->bitmapCache, &bitmapkey); > > /* copy to gif, mapping colors */ > x2 = x + (((glyph->xmin+32) & -64) + ((x1+32) & -64)) / 64; > y2 = y - (((glyph->ymin+32) & -64) + ((y1+32) & -64)) / 64; > tweencolorkey.fgcolor = fg; > tweencolorkey.im = im; > for (row = 0; row < glyph->Bit.rows; row++) { > if (glyph->gray_render) > pc = row * glyph->Bit.cols; > else > pc = row * glyph->Bit.cols * 8; > y3 = y2 - row; > if (y3 >= im->sy || y3 < 0) continue; > for (col = 0; col < glyph->Bit.width; col++, pc++) { > if (glyph->gray_render) { > tweencolorkey.pixel = > *((unsigned char *)(glyph->Bit.bitmap) + pc); > } else { > tweencolorkey.pixel = > (((*((unsigned char *)(glyph->Bit.bitmap) + pc/8)) > <<(pc%8))&128)?4:0; > } > /* if not background */ > if (tweencolorkey.pixel > 0) { > x3 = x2 + col; > if (x3 >= im->sx || x3 < 0) continue; > pixel = &im->pixels[y3][x3]; > tweencolorkey.bgcolor = *pixel; > tweencolor = (tweencolor_t *)gdCacheGet( > tweenColorCache, &tweencolorkey); > *pixel = tweencolor->tweencolor; > } > } > } > return (char *)NULL; > } > > extern int any2eucjp(unsigned char *, unsigned char *, unsigned int); > > /********************************************************************/ > /* gdImageStringTTF - render a utf8 string onto a gd image */ > > char * gdImageStringTTF(gdImage *im, int *brect, int fg, char *fontname, > double ptsize, double angle, int x, int y, char *string) > { > TT_F26Dot6 ur_x=0, ur_y=0, ll_x=0, ll_y=0; > TT_F26Dot6 advance_x, advance_y, advance, x1, y1; > TT_BBox *bbox; > double sin_a, cos_a; > int i=0, ch; > font_t *font; > fontkey_t fontkey; > char *error, *next; > /* 1.7.2: initialize this variable. */ > char *tmpstr = 0; > > /****** initialize font engine on first call ************/ > static gdCache_head_t *fontCache; > static TT_Engine engine; > > if (! fontCache) { > if (TT_Init_FreeType(&engine)) { > return "Failure to initialize font engine"; > } > fontCache = gdCacheCreate( FONTCACHESIZE, > fontTest, fontFetch, fontRelease); > } > /**************/ > > /* get the font (via font cache) */ > fontkey.fontname = fontname; > fontkey.ptsize = ptsize; > fontkey.angle = angle; > fontkey.engine = &engine; > font = (font_t *)gdCacheGet(fontCache, &fontkey); > if (! font) { > return fontCache->error; > } > sin_a = font->sin_a; > cos_a = font->cos_a; > > advance_x = advance_y = 0; > > #ifndef JISX0208 > if (font->have_char_map_Sjis) { > #endif > if (tmpstr = (unsigned char *)malloc(BUFSIZ)) { > any2eucjp(tmpstr, string, BUFSIZ); > next=tmpstr; > } else > next=string; > #ifndef JISX0208 > } else > next=string; > #endif > while (*next) { > ch = *next; > > /* carriage returns */ > if (ch == '\r') { > advance_x = 0; > next++; > continue; > } > /* newlines */ > if (ch == '\n') { > advance_y -= (TT_F26Dot6)(font->imetrics.y_ppem * LINESPACE * 64); > advance_y = (advance_y-32) & -64; /* round to next pixel row */ > next++; > continue; > } > > x1 = (TT_F26Dot6)(advance_x * cos_a - advance_y * sin_a); > y1 = (TT_F26Dot6)(advance_x * sin_a + advance_y * cos_a); > > if ((error=gdttfchar(im, fg, font, x, y, x1, y1, &advance, &bbox, &next))) > return error; > > if (! i++) { /* if first character, init BB corner values */ > ll_x = bbox->xMin; > ll_y = bbox->yMin; > ur_x = bbox->xMax; > ur_y = bbox->yMax; > } > else { > if (! advance_x) ll_x = MIN(bbox->xMin, ll_x); > ll_y = MIN(advance_y + bbox->yMin, ll_y); > ur_x = MAX(advance_x + bbox->xMax, ur_x); > if (! advance_y) ur_y = MAX(bbox->yMax, ur_y); > } > advance_x += advance; > } > > /* rotate bounding rectangle */ > brect[0] = (int)(ll_x * cos_a - ll_y * sin_a); > brect[1] = (int)(ll_x * sin_a + ll_y * cos_a); > brect[2] = (int)(ur_x * cos_a - ll_y * sin_a); > brect[3] = (int)(ur_x * sin_a + ll_y * cos_a); > brect[4] = (int)(ur_x * cos_a - ur_y * sin_a); > brect[5] = (int)(ur_x * sin_a + ur_y * cos_a); > brect[6] = (int)(ll_x * cos_a - ur_y * sin_a); > brect[7] = (int)(ll_x * sin_a + ur_y * cos_a); > > /* scale, round and offset brect */ > i = 0; > while (i<8) { > brect[i] = x + (brect[i] + 32) / 64; > i++; > brect[i] = y - (brect[i] + 32) / 64; > i++; > } > > if ( tmpstr ) free(tmpstr); > return (char *)NULL; > } > > #endif /* HAVE_LIBTTF */ From clay at fandre.com Mon Nov 19 08:57:49 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] alternative to napster? In-Reply-To: <000e01c170fc$20eda800$1e02a8c0@zippy> References: <008401c1709d$45dd6c40$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> <000e01c170fc$20eda800$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: <20011119081829.B12603@fandre.com> Bearshare uses the gnutella network. Checkout Limewire (http://www.limewire.com/) since they have a linux version. (Personally I prefer command-line tools: http://www.gnutelliums.com/linux_unix/gnut/, http://www.gis.net/~nite/) Also check out opennap (http://opennap.sourceforge.net/) and kazaa (http://www.kazaa.com/index.php?page=download). On Mon, 19 Nov 2001, Mark Browne wrote: > I use bearshare. > I have been using it under windows; I don't know if there is a *nix port. > > Mark Browne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Raymond Norton" > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 7:55 PM > Subject: [TCLUG] alternative to napster? > > > I have a friend under the gun to get a digital video project edited. He is > looking for online songs from bands like Leonard Skinard, and REO Speed > Wagon, etc.. Is there a good place to still find downloads of this music? > > > Raymond > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Nov 19 09:15:59 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] lm_sensors Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0A4@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> I just emailed Soyo, and they said the chip used on the board is the ite8705. The reason the adm1021 driver works is that the chip has some similar functions. lm_sensors supports this chip in version 2.6.1. The module is the it87.o module. If you use this one, you may be able to get your fan stuff working. Let me know how it goes. I don't have time to mess with it until later tonight. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Evans [mailto:gje@parrotheaven.com] > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 4:08 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] lm_sensors > > > in /etc/modules.conf I have the line: > > options adm1021 ignore=0,0x4e > > My sensors.conf looks like: > > chip "adm1021-*" > > # These are as advised in the data sheet > > label in0 "+2.5V" > label in1 "VCCP" > label in2 "+3.3V" > label in3 "+5V" > label in4 "+12V" > label in5 "VCC" > > label temp1 "SYS Temp" > label temp2 "CPU Temp" > > chip "adm1024-*" > # > # These settings work for me, adjust for your system > # > label fan1 "CPU1 fan" > label fan2 "CPU2 fan" > label temp "SYS Temp" > label temp1 "CPU2 Temp" > label temp2 "CPU1 Temp" > ignore "2.5V" # This register is also used for temp2 > ignore "Vccp1" > > chip "lm84-*" > > # These are as advised in the data sheet > > label in0 "+2.5V" > label in1 "VCCP" > label in2 "+3.3V" > label in3 "+5V" > label in4 "+12V" > label in5 "VCC" > > label temp1 "SYS Temp" > label temp2 "CPU Temp" > > > -- > /* Greg Evans, Bloomington, MN., USA - gje@parrotheaven.com */ > ------------- > "Freedom is more important than happiness" - Tom Robbins > > Austad, Jay [austad@marketwatch.com] wrote: > > Also, do you pass any options when loading the module? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Greg Evans [mailto:gje@parrotheaven.com] > > > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:47 PM > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] lm_sensors > > > > > > > > > It's a Soyo Dragon+. If I remember correctly I > > > downloaded the cvs version > > > of lm_sensors2. Compiled the basic i2c stuff with the > > > kernel, then compiled and > > > installed the cvs lm_sensors and did a depmod -a. modprobe > > > i2c-core, modprobe > > > adm1021, and then spent (and still spend) way to much time > > > trying to figure out > > > what to put in /etc/sensors.conf to actually get it to tell > > > me something useful. > > > So far running sensors still only tells me my cpu temp. > > > > > > -- > > > /* Greg Evans, Bloomington, MN., USA - gje@parrotheaven.com */ > > > ------------- > > > "Nothing is more terrible than ignorance in action." > > > -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe > > > > > > Austad, Jay [austad@marketwatch.com] wrote: > > > > > Using the adm1021 driver I was able to get the cpu > > > > > temperture, but I still > > > > > can't figure out how to read the chipset temp, or the fan > > > monitors. > > > > > > > > Was this on a Soyo Dragon or Dragon+? What did you do to > > > get it working? > > > > > > > > Jay > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > > Paul, Minnesota > > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From steveg at transition.com Mon Nov 19 09:23:20 2001 From: steveg at transition.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Co-living 100mb and 10mb ethernet Message-ID: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BC0A2@postman.transition.com> I can only guess that you are connecting everything thru a switch. With a switch or some dual speed hubs (ish) each port will autonegotiate to the lowest common denominator for that point to point connection. First it will try 100Mb full duplex, then 100Mb half duplex, then do the same with 10Mb. So if you are connecting a switch to a 10Mb hub then the switch will negotiate a 10Mb half duplex connection because the hub is only capable of 10Mb half duplex. When connecting to just about any 10/100 NIC that you could buy today the switch and NIC will negotiate a 100Mb full duplex connection on that port. That same NIC would negotiate a 10Mb half duplex connection with a 10Mb hub. The point is the two speeds do not exist on one cable at the same time. So it looks like the common system you are transfering files to/from (server) is at 100Mb on one switch port, one PC is at 100Mb and the last one is at 10Mb. The 100Mb system talks to the switch at 100Mb and the switch talks to the server at 100Mb. The 10Mb system talks to the switch at 10Mb and the switch talks to the server at 100Mb but using only 1/10th of the available pipe. (If all else is quiet anyway and assuming that the system is capable of filing the pipe.) Dual speed hubs work in a similar fashion but a dual speed hub basically has a 10Mb collision domain and a 100Mb collision domain that are connected thru a 2 port switch. In my opinion this was a half assed slipshod way of doing it and only made sense during the 6-12 month time frame when 10/100 switches were just a little too expensive. I would explain more but I have probably already done severe brain damage to some people with my discombobulated explanation. Even I am bored with me at this point. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Bresnahan [mailto:mbresnah@visi.com] Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 4:16 PM To: Tclug-List@Mn-Linux.Org Subject: [TCLUG] Co-living 100mb and 10mb ethernet Could someone explain to me in a nutshell how 10mb and 100mb co-exist happily on the same ethernet? For example, I have 3PCs and a DSL modem on my local network. 1 PC and the modem have 10mb cards and 2 of the PCs have 100mb cards. When I transfer a file from one of the 100mb machines it takes about 5 times less time than when I transfer to the 10mb machine, so it certainly appears that the network is capable of both speeds. Evidently the 10mb is able to detect and handle collisions with the 100mb and vice versa. Perhaps it's because they both use the same carrier frequency; if they use such a thing? Also, is a 5x speed difference what I should expect? Not 10x? Take pity on me. I'm a software guy. Mike _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Nov 19 09:28:03 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] alternative to napster? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0A5@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Limewire is a gnutella client and works well under Linux. However, don't install the windows version, it installs advertising spyware even if you cancel out of the installation. > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Browne [mailto:markbrowne@mn.mediaone.net] > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 7:14 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] alternative to napster? > > > I use bearshare. > I have been using it under windows; I don't know if there is > a *nix port. > > Mark Browne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Raymond Norton" > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 7:55 PM > Subject: [TCLUG] alternative to napster? > > > I have a friend under the gun to get a digital video project > edited. He is looking for online songs from bands like > Leonard Skinard, and REO Speed Wagon, etc.. Is there a good > place to still find downloads of this music? > > > Raymond > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Nov 19 10:02:16 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Co-living 100mb and 10mb ethernet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 18 Nov 2001, Mike Bresnahan wrote: > Could someone explain to me in a nutshell how 10mb and 100mb co-exist > happily on the same ethernet? I haven't read all my e-mail yet, but in a nutshell here's how a switch works: You have 2 10Bt ethernet in ports 1 and 2. You have 2 100Bt ethernet in ports 3 and 4. If port 4 wants to transfer a file to port 3, it negotiates at the highest possible speed on the send (100 Mb). If port 2 wants to send to port 1, it negotiates at 10 Mb. The nice thing about a switch is that even if you're doing a massive transfer between ports 1 and 2, ports 3 and 4 are sitting idle. You can move files between 3 and 4/2 and 1 simultaneously. Hope that helps. -Brian From Ben at WorksCited.Net Mon Nov 19 10:09:03 2001 From: Ben at WorksCited.Net (Ben Stallings) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: Linux and Cell phones In-Reply-To: <20011116223949.T31075@ringworld.org> References: <20011116202845.R16824@real-time.com> <20011116223949.T31075@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <01111909220305.07273@Romana> As long as we're on this topic... I'm planning a long bike trip during which I'll be in rural areas most of the time. I'm planning to get a cell phone and use it to synch my Visor handheld with a home-base computer that's screening my e-mail for large attachments, spam, etc. I might also occasionally use it for full Internet access if it works well. However, I've never had a cell phone of my own before, nor have I ever used one with a modem. Am I fooling myself to think that I'll be able to get a data connection in rural areas? AT&T OneRate claims to cover the whole eastern US (which is where I'll be) with a few exceptions in the Appalachians (where I won't be). Is their coverage sufficient for data transfer? Speed is not a major issue as long as I can actually send and receive mail. Thanks in advance for sharing experience! --Ben From jshawley at sgi.com Mon Nov 19 10:18:39 2001 From: jshawley at sgi.com (Jeremy Shawley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Co-living 100mb and 10mb ethernet In-Reply-To: <20011119050000.A10830@fandre.com> References: <20011119050000.A10830@fandre.com> Message-ID: <200111191528.fAJFSR413008238@nodin.corp.sgi.com> Yes, a hub will work at different speeds, there are such things as 10/100 hubs. However, what hubs will not do is run at full duplex. Hubs are striclty half duplex. -Jeremy On Monday 19 November 2001 05:00, you wrote: > What are you connecting them with? You are usually restricted by the > hub/switch that you use. Most switches allow for different speeds on > different ports. This doesn't mean that the same wire is using both, but > rather each connection to the switch is running at a different speed. (10 > or 100) My switch has leds that tell me what each port is set to. > > AFAIK, a hub won't work at 2 different speeds. > > On Sun, 18 Nov 2001, Mike Bresnahan wrote: > > Could someone explain to me in a nutshell how 10mb and 100mb co-exist > > happily on the same ethernet? For example, I have 3PCs and a DSL modem > > on my local network. 1 PC and the modem have 10mb cards and 2 of the PCs > > have 100mb cards. When I transfer a file from one of the 100mb machines > > it takes about 5 times less time than when I transfer to the 10mb > > machine, so it certainly appears that the network is capable of both > > speeds. Evidently the 10mb is able to detect and handle collisions with > > the 100mb and vice versa. Perhaps it's because they both use the same > > carrier frequency; if they use such a thing? Also, is a 5x speed > > difference what I should expect? Not 10x? > > > > Take pity on me. I'm a software guy. > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From esper at sherohman.org Mon Nov 19 10:40:13 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: leonids meteor shower In-Reply-To: <01C17081.A5EF4CA0.eng@pinenet.com>; from eng@pinenet.com on Sun, Nov 18, 2001 at 10:37:41PM -0600 References: <01C17081.A5EF4CA0.eng@pinenet.com> Message-ID: <20011119094541.B22368@sherohman.org> On Sun, Nov 18, 2001 at 10:37:41PM -0600, Rick Engebretson wrote: > I live in the boonies (about 100 miles north of the cities) I'm not quite that far out, but I set out from home (Elk River) a little after 3:00, drove around for 20 minutes until I found a spot where I couldn't see any lights directly, and watched for a little over an hour. Very impressive. I'm glad I set my alarm to check the sky instead of just taking the weather forecast's word that it would be cloudy. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Mr. Slippery From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Mon Nov 19 10:59:01 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Arrived in the mail.. In-Reply-To: <200111181456.fAIEuQT07448@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 18 Nov 2001, Rodd Ahrenstorff wrote: > As to the computer case, you were the first to respond. That makes it yours, > unless you would like to defer to Doug Hanson. Doug can have it, I will try again when i am ready to buy the rest of the computer... ;-) -munir From fertch at mninter.net Mon Nov 19 11:02:56 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Co-living 100mb and 10mb ethernet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01111911061000.00470@bleys> This brings up an interesting point. I have two hubs at home, both are 10Mbs. I was transferring files from one machine to another, and I was getting collisions. The tranfer was fine, but I got to thinking about this. I made my own cabling, but I don't know if I have then right or not. Could someone either color code both ends for me? I thought it was like below: orange orange-white blue blue-white brown brown-white green green-white black black-white Is this correct if you are looking at both cable ends with the security clip towards you going from left to right? Also, one of my hubs is a 8 port +bnc + 1 uplink (it's a D-link) and the other is a standard 8 port hub (3 Com). So, would my uplink port go to port 8 of the 3Com hub? If someone can answer this or provide a link of proper cable making procedures, would appreciate it greatly. Shawn From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Nov 19 11:04:06 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] alternative to napster? In-Reply-To: <008401c1709d$45dd6c40$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> References: <008401c1709d$45dd6c40$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> Message-ID: <20011119100855.C31509@wookimus.net> On Sun, Nov 18, 2001 at 07:55:32PM -0600, Raymond Norton wrote: > I have a friend under the gun to get a digital video project edited. > He is looking for online songs from bands like Leonard Skinard, and > REO Speed Wagon, etc.. Is there a good place to still find downloads > of this music? Start it either as a commandline client, or throw it to the background and use the HTML interface w/Lynx or Netscape. Package: gnut Priority: optional Section: net Installed-Size: 397 Maintainer: Jefferson E. Noxon Architecture: i386 Version: 0.4.28-1 Depends: libc6 (>= 2.2.4-2), libncurses5 (>= 5.2.20010310-1), libreadline4 (>= 4.2-2) Filename: pool/main/g/gnut/gnut_0.4.28-1_i386.deb Size: 144388 MD5sum: 3792756472ce26a379a12939bc1116b6 Description: A command-line based client compatible with Gnutella-net Gnut implements the Gnutella-net networking and file sharing protocol. . For more information on Gnutella-net, visit http://gnutella.wego.com/ For more information on gnut, visit http://www.mrob.com/gnut/ If you want GUI/widget-style... gtk-gnutella - shares files in a peer to peer network qtella - A gnutella client -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011119/79abde10/attachment.pgp From phil at rephil.org Mon Nov 19 11:28:03 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (phil@rephil.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: Linux and Cell phones In-Reply-To: <01111909220305.07273@Romana>; from Ben@WorksCited.Net on Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 09:22:03AM -0600 References: <20011116202845.R16824@real-time.com> <20011116223949.T31075@ringworld.org> <01111909220305.07273@Romana> Message-ID: <20011119104826.A16757@rephil.org> On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 09:22:03AM -0600, Ben Stallings wrote: > However, I've never had a cell phone of my own before, nor have I ever used > one with a modem. Am I fooling myself to think that I'll be able to get a > data connection in rural areas? AT&T OneRate claims to cover the whole > eastern US (which is where I'll be) with a few exceptions in the Appalachians > (where I won't be). Is their coverage sufficient for data transfer? Speed > is not a major issue as long as I can actually send and receive mail. My experience has been (not a lot, and I don't know if we're talking about the same type of cell phones) that no matter what anyone says, you won't know until you get out in the field. Things like battery strength and weather conditions can affect reception, so the only way to know for sure is to try. I'm sure you'll get reception some, probably most of the time. I'd bet dollars to donuts that you have at least one time when you can't get a signal. But, hey, you want an adventure, right? :) -- I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Nov 19 12:00:07 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: Linux and Cell phones Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0A9@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> You have ATT for your provider? I didn't think you could use any of their cellphones to dialup to the net with... I know I can't with my Nokia 8260 from them. > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Stallings [mailto:Ben@WorksCited.Net] > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 9:22 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: Linux and Cell phones > > > As long as we're on this topic... > > I'm planning a long bike trip during which I'll be in rural > areas most of the > time. I'm planning to get a cell phone and use it to synch > my Visor handheld > with a home-base computer that's screening my e-mail for > large attachments, > spam, etc. I might also occasionally use it for full > Internet access if it > works well. > > However, I've never had a cell phone of my own before, nor > have I ever used > one with a modem. Am I fooling myself to think that I'll be > able to get a > data connection in rural areas? AT&T OneRate claims to cover > the whole > eastern US (which is where I'll be) with a few exceptions in > the Appalachians > (where I won't be). Is their coverage sufficient for data > transfer? Speed > is not a major issue as long as I can actually send and receive mail. > > Thanks in advance for sharing experience! --Ben > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Nov 19 12:07:16 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: Linux and Cell phones In-Reply-To: <01111909220305.07273@Romana> Message-ID: On Mon, 19 Nov 2001, Ben Stallings wrote: > I'm planning a long bike trip during which I'll be in rural areas most of the > time. I'm planning to get a cell phone and use it to synch my Visor handheld > with a home-base computer that's screening my e-mail for large attachments, > spam, etc. I might also occasionally use it for full Internet access if it > works well. AT&T has good nationwide coverage and good service. Everyone I know with AT&T likes them. Cell is slow (9600/4800 bps) but for checking e-mail there's really no reason not to. If I were you I'd get a Motorola StarTAC with AT&T service and you'll love it. -Brian From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Nov 19 12:08:27 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Co-living 100mb and 10mb ethernet In-Reply-To: <01111911061000.00470@bleys> Message-ID: On Mon, 19 Nov 2001, Shawn wrote: > Is this correct if you are looking at both cable ends with the security > clip towards you going from left to right? Also, one of my hubs is a 8 port > +bnc + 1 uplink (it's a D-link) and the other is a standard 8 port hub (3 > Com). So, would my uplink port go to port 8 of the 3Com hub? Umm... where'd the black conductors come from? Read this: http://www.duxcw.com/digest/Howto/network/cable/cableprint.htm it's a VERY well written HOWTO on Cat5 cabling. -Brian From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Nov 19 12:15:10 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:07 2005 Subject: 10/100Base-T Wiring Order (was Re: [TCLUG] Co-living 100mb and 10mb ethernet) In-Reply-To: <01111911061000.00470@bleys> References: <01111911061000.00470@bleys> Message-ID: <20011119111510.E31509@wookimus.net> Looking at the RJ45 with the flat-side up, end pointing away from you, for 10/100Base-T it should be: white-orange, orange, white-green, blue, white-blue, green, white-brown, brown. Crossovers are a little more tricky, but since you don't need a crossover w/the uplink port, I'll spare you the confusion. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011119/fd596fbd/attachment.pgp From steveg at transition.com Mon Nov 19 12:24:46 2001 From: steveg at transition.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Co-living 100mb and 10mb ethernet Message-ID: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BC0A5@postman.transition.com> That pinout won't work for ethernet. The active pairs on ethernet are pins 1,2 and 3,6 numbered left to right with the clip away from you and the cable running toward you. Clear as mud huh. Cisco has some info on their site: http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/ipvc/ipvc10/ipvc3530/appb.ht m I hope Lookout doesn't munge that link too much. As long as you hook the uplink port to a regular port you should be ok. Collisions on half duplex ethernet are not unusual when you really hammer the network. I would check to make sure you don't have one NIC that is running in full duplex on a half duplex network, that really makes a mess. If the none of the ports on your hubs are partitioning then you are probably ok. -----Original Message----- From: Shawn [mailto:fertch@mninter.net] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 11:06 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Co-living 100mb and 10mb ethernet This brings up an interesting point. I have two hubs at home, both are 10Mbs. I was transferring files from one machine to another, and I was getting collisions. The tranfer was fine, but I got to thinking about this. I made my own cabling, but I don't know if I have then right or not. Could someone either color code both ends for me? I thought it was like below: orange orange-white blue blue-white brown brown-white green green-white black black-white Is this correct if you are looking at both cable ends with the security clip towards you going from left to right? Also, one of my hubs is a 8 port +bnc + 1 uplink (it's a D-link) and the other is a standard 8 port hub (3 Com). So, would my uplink port go to port 8 of the 3Com hub? If someone can answer this or provide a link of proper cable making procedures, would appreciate it greatly. Shawn _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Mon Nov 19 12:32:11 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Co-living 100mb and 10mb ethernet Message-ID: Mike, Here are my (not necessarily correct) answers: >>> mbresnah@visi.com 11/18/01 04:15PM >>> >Could someone explain to me in a nutshell how 10mb and 100mb co-exist >happily on the same ethernet? Technically, as stated before, they cannot. If your local network is connected by a HUB, they are all on the same ETHERNET SEGMENT. If your local network is connected by a SWITCH, the switch provides a separate a ethernet segment for each connection and connects those with a BACKPLANE (which runs at least as fast as the fastest network segment). Steve explained dual speed hubs, but basically they provide two ethernet segments: one 10Mb, one 100Mb; via an internal two port switch. >For example, I have 3PCs and a DSL modem on >my local network. 1 PC and the modem have 10mb cards and 2 of the PCs have >100mb cards. When I transfer a file from one of the 100mb machines it takes >about 5 times less time than when I transfer to the 10mb machine, so it >certainly appears that the network is capable of both speeds. Evidently the >10mb is able to detect and handle collisions with the 100mb and vice versa. >Perhaps it's because they both use the same carrier frequency; if they use >such a thing? Also, is a 5x speed difference what I should expect? Not >10x? The speeds are differentiated by a factor of 10 only for the theoretical maximum throughput for each medium. It may be difficult for your PCs to push a 100Mb connection close to it's max. It may be that the 10Mb connection is full duplex (actually 20Mb max) while the 100Mb connection is half duplex. A factor of 5 is not an unusual speed difference, but it may depend on the service used (those with less overhead (like FTP) will probably be faster). >Take pity on me. I'm a software guy. I do pity you, Mike, and I pity me too. ;-) Troy From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Mon Nov 19 12:48:56 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Co-living 100mb and 10mb ethernet Message-ID: This is 10 wires. Cat 5 has 8, as do RJ45 connectors. For straight through cable, clip on the bottom, from left to right: orange white orange green white blue blue white green brown white brown (if I remember correctly). :-/ Your uplink port can be connected to any of the standard ports on your other hub with straight through cable. Troy >>> fertch@mninter.net 11/19/01 11:06AM >>> This brings up an interesting point. I have two hubs at home, both are 10Mbs. I was transferring files from one machine to another, and I was getting collisions. The tranfer was fine, but I got to thinking about this. I made my own cabling, but I don't know if I have then right or not. Could someone either color code both ends for me? I thought it was like below: orange orange-white blue blue-white brown brown-white green green-white black black-white Is this correct if you are looking at both cable ends with the security clip towards you going from left to right? Also, one of my hubs is a 8 port +bnc + 1 uplink (it's a D-link) and the other is a standard 8 port hub (3 Com). So, would my uplink port go to port 8 of the 3Com hub? If someone can answer this or provide a link of proper cable making procedures, would appreciate it greatly. Shawn _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Mon Nov 19 13:01:11 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: Linux and Cell phones In-Reply-To: <01111909220305.07273@Romana> Message-ID: There was a discussion along these lines last June on Slashdot. There was going to be a ride across Iowa and somebody wanted to be able to do webcam, etc for the ride. I don't remember anything more than that, but you should be able to find it using their search engine. HTH BTW, where and how far/long are you going? Carrying everything in panniers or fully supported? Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Ben Stallings |Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 9:22 AM |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org |Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: Linux and Cell phones | | |As long as we're on this topic... | |I'm planning a long bike trip during which I'll be in rural areas |most of the |time. I'm planning to get a cell phone and use it to synch my |Visor handheld |with a home-base computer that's screening my e-mail for large |attachments, |spam, etc. I might also occasionally use it for full Internet |access if it |works well. | |However, I've never had a cell phone of my own before, nor have I |ever used |one with a modem. Am I fooling myself to think that I'll be able to get a |data connection in rural areas? AT&T OneRate claims to cover the whole |eastern US (which is where I'll be) with a few exceptions in the |Appalachians |(where I won't be). Is their coverage sufficient for data |transfer? Speed |is not a major issue as long as I can actually send and receive mail. | |Thanks in advance for sharing experience! --Ben |_______________________________________________ |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, |Minnesota |http://www.mn-linux.org |tclug-list@mn-linux.org |https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list | From mbresnah at visi.com Mon Nov 19 13:27:15 2001 From: mbresnah at visi.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Co-living 100mb and 10mb ethernet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The machines are connected via a Netgear DS108 dual speed hub. I think I understand what you are saying except for one thing. Does the speed get negotiated for every packet? If so, isn't there a lot of overhead? If not, how does a packet from a machine connected at 100mb get switched/routed to a machine connected at 10mb? Does it go through a "transformer"? It might help my understanding if I knew what was different about 10mb and 100mb ethernet other than the maximum throughput. For example, does 100mb use a greater frequency bandwidth, does it send more pulses per unit time, or what? I measured the throughput using ftp from a 1.0Gz PIII to a 400Mhz K6-3 and to a 750Mhz PIII. Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Troy.A Johnson > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 8:58 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Co-living 100mb and 10mb ethernet > > > Mike, > > Here are my (not necessarily correct) answers: > > >>> mbresnah@visi.com 11/18/01 04:15PM >>> > >Could someone explain to me in a nutshell how 10mb and 100mb co-exist > >happily on the same ethernet? > > Technically, as stated before, they cannot. If your local > network is connected by a HUB, they are all on the > same ETHERNET SEGMENT. If your local network > is connected by a SWITCH, the switch provides a > separate a ethernet segment for each connection and > connects those with a BACKPLANE (which runs at > least as fast as the fastest network segment). Steve > explained dual speed hubs, but basically they provide > two ethernet segments: one 10Mb, one 100Mb; via an > internal two port switch. > > >For example, I have 3PCs and a DSL modem on > >my local network. 1 PC and the modem have 10mb cards and 2 of > the PCs have > >100mb cards. When I transfer a file from one of the 100mb > machines it takes > >about 5 times less time than when I transfer to the 10mb machine, so it > >certainly appears that the network is capable of both speeds. > Evidently the > >10mb is able to detect and handle collisions with the 100mb and > vice versa. > >Perhaps it's because they both use the same carrier frequency; > if they use > >such a thing? Also, is a 5x speed difference what I should expect? Not > >10x? > > The speeds are differentiated by a factor of 10 only > for the theoretical maximum throughput for each > medium. It may be difficult for your PCs to push a > 100Mb connection close to it's max. It may be that > the 10Mb connection is full duplex (actually 20Mb > max) while the 100Mb connection is half duplex. > A factor of 5 is not an unusual speed difference, > but it may depend on the service used (those with > less overhead (like FTP) will probably be faster). > > >Take pity on me. I'm a software guy. > I do pity you, Mike, and I pity me too. ;-) > > Troy > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rudie at sihope.com Mon Nov 19 13:50:54 2001 From: rudie at sihope.com (K Hinze) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Arrived in the mail.. In-Reply-To: References: <200111181456.fAIEuQT07448@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011119114340.66e1c06e.rudie@sihope.com> And if Doug doesn't want it...... heheh I tried replying to your original post off-list but the reply addy was bogus. I see from your following posts that your reply addy is different than the original post (regarding the ATX case!) Oh well, chalk it up to 'snooze = lose' for not being better - on the ball -Kevin On Mon, 19 Nov 2001 10:00:48 -0600 (CST) Munir Nassar wrote: > On Sun, 18 Nov 2001, Rodd Ahrenstorff wrote: > > > As to the computer case, you were the first to respond. That makes it yours, > > unless you would like to defer to Doug Hanson. > > Doug can have it, I will try again when i am ready to buy the rest of the > computer... ;-) > > -munir > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Nov 19 13:52:06 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Co-living 100mb and 10mb ethernet Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0AA@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Hrm, you list 5 pairs. Cat 5 only has 4 pairs... :) Color Codes for T568B Pin color pair name --- ----- ---- --------- 1 wh/or 2 TxData + 2 or 2 TxData - 3 wh/grn 3 RecvData+ 4 blu 1 5 wh/blu 1 6 grn 3 RecvData- 7 wh/brn 4 8 brn 4 > -----Original Message----- > From: Shawn [mailto:fertch@mninter.net] > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 11:06 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Co-living 100mb and 10mb ethernet > > > This brings up an interesting point. I have two hubs at > home, both are > 10Mbs. I was transferring files from one machine to another, > and I was > getting collisions. The tranfer was fine, but I got to > thinking about this. > I made my own cabling, but I don't know if I have then right > or not. Could > someone either color code both ends for me? I thought it was > like below: > > orange > orange-white > blue > blue-white > brown > brown-white > green > green-white > black > black-white > > Is this correct if you are looking at both cable ends with > the security > clip towards you going from left to right? Also, one of my > hubs is a 8 port > +bnc + 1 uplink (it's a D-link) and the other is a standard 8 > port hub > +(3 > Com). So, would my uplink port go to port 8 of the 3Com hub? > > If someone can answer this or provide a link of proper cable making > procedures, would appreciate it greatly. > > > Shawn > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From chrome at real-time.com Mon Nov 19 14:50:14 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Co-living 100mb and 10mb ethernet In-Reply-To: ; from mbresnah@visi.com on Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 12:55:09PM -0800 References: Message-ID: <20011119134353.C27229@real-time.com> > It might help my understanding if I knew what was different about 10mb and > 100mb ethernet other than the maximum throughput. For example, does 100mb > use a greater frequency bandwidth, does it send more pulses per unit time, > or what? more pulses per unit time, I believe. this is why 100Mbit Ethernet has a maximum network diameter (distance between the two farthest points) only 1/10th as big as 10Mbit; all the other nodes on the network need to be able to detect that someone has sent something at the identical moment, by the time they finish sending. since the minimum ethernet packet size is 64bytes (I think...), the cable between any two points has to be short enough that the first bit gets to the far side of the network by the time that the last bit is sent. otherwise you have the possibility of an undetected collision, and corrupted data. since 100Mb ethernet sends data pulses only 1/10th as long as long as 10Mb; you only get 1/10th as much time to detect a collision. Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From gje at parrotheaven.com Mon Nov 19 15:02:08 2001 From: gje at parrotheaven.com (Greg Evans) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] lm_sensors In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0A4@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0A4@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011119135021.A18680@parrotheaven.com> Cool! Thanks for the info! -- /* Greg Evans, Bloomington, MN., USA - gje@parrotheaven.com */ ------------- "Beware when you do battle with monsters that you do not become one, and remember, when you stare long into the abyss, the abyss also stares into you" - F. Nietzsche Austad, Jay [austad@marketwatch.com] wrote: > I just emailed Soyo, and they said the chip used on the board is the > ite8705. The reason the adm1021 driver works is that the chip has some > similar functions. > > lm_sensors supports this chip in version 2.6.1. The module is the it87.o > module. If you use this one, you may be able to get your fan stuff working. > > > Let me know how it goes. I don't have time to mess with it until later > tonight. > > Jay > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Greg Evans [mailto:gje@parrotheaven.com] > > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 4:08 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] lm_sensors > > > > > > in /etc/modules.conf I have the line: > > > > options adm1021 ignore=0,0x4e > > > > My sensors.conf looks like: > > > > chip "adm1021-*" > > > > # These are as advised in the data sheet > > > > label in0 "+2.5V" > > label in1 "VCCP" > > label in2 "+3.3V" > > label in3 "+5V" > > label in4 "+12V" > > label in5 "VCC" > > > > label temp1 "SYS Temp" > > label temp2 "CPU Temp" > > > > chip "adm1024-*" > > # > > # These settings work for me, adjust for your system > > # > > label fan1 "CPU1 fan" > > label fan2 "CPU2 fan" > > label temp "SYS Temp" > > label temp1 "CPU2 Temp" > > label temp2 "CPU1 Temp" > > ignore "2.5V" # This register is also used for temp2 > > ignore "Vccp1" > > > > chip "lm84-*" > > > > # These are as advised in the data sheet > > > > label in0 "+2.5V" > > label in1 "VCCP" > > label in2 "+3.3V" > > label in3 "+5V" > > label in4 "+12V" > > label in5 "VCC" > > > > label temp1 "SYS Temp" > > label temp2 "CPU Temp" > > > > > > -- > > /* Greg Evans, Bloomington, MN., USA - gje@parrotheaven.com */ > > ------------- > > "Freedom is more important than happiness" - Tom Robbins > > > > Austad, Jay [austad@marketwatch.com] wrote: > > > Also, do you pass any options when loading the module? > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Greg Evans [mailto:gje@parrotheaven.com] > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:47 PM > > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] lm_sensors > > > > > > > > > > > > It's a Soyo Dragon+. If I remember correctly I > > > > downloaded the cvs version > > > > of lm_sensors2. Compiled the basic i2c stuff with the > > > > kernel, then compiled and > > > > installed the cvs lm_sensors and did a depmod -a. modprobe > > > > i2c-core, modprobe > > > > adm1021, and then spent (and still spend) way to much time > > > > trying to figure out > > > > what to put in /etc/sensors.conf to actually get it to tell > > > > me something useful. > > > > So far running sensors still only tells me my cpu temp. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > /* Greg Evans, Bloomington, MN., USA - gje@parrotheaven.com */ > > > > ------------- > > > > "Nothing is more terrible than ignorance in action." > > > > -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe > > > > > > > > Austad, Jay [austad@marketwatch.com] wrote: > > > > > > Using the adm1021 driver I was able to get the cpu > > > > > > temperture, but I still > > > > > > can't figure out how to read the chipset temp, or the fan > > > > monitors. > > > > > > > > > > Was this on a Soyo Dragon or Dragon+? What did you do to > > > > get it working? > > > > > > > > > > Jay > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > > > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > > > Paul, Minnesota > > > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From steveg at transition.com Mon Nov 19 15:13:28 2001 From: steveg at transition.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Co-living 100mb and 10mb ethernet Message-ID: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BC0A6@postman.transition.com> The speed is only negotiated once when you plug in the cable or power up the device. The packet structure is the pretty much the same for 10 and 100. The type of encoding used on the wire is different, 10Mb is manchester encoded (2 voltage levels with some predistortion) and 100Mb is MLT3 encoded (3 voltage levels). But this is nothing you have to worry about the switch chip and phy chip take care of all of that. The switch chip is your transformer although a FIFO is probably a more accurate term. I packet is brought in , buffered, the preamble is rebuilt and it is routed via a lookup table to the correct port where it is sent out at the proper speed for that port. The bit width on 10Mb is 100nS and 100Mb is 8nS. (100Mb actually pushes 125Mb down the wire but it's 4B5B so for every 5 bit symbol only 4 are valid data.) If you are really interested in the nuts and bolts I think IEEE standard 802.3u covers 100Mb ethernet in nightmarish detail. Warning you will probably need a whole case of Bawls to make it through any IEEE standard on one sitting. I get the feeling I am not making this any clearer. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Bresnahan [mailto:mbresnah@visi.com] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 2:55 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Co-living 100mb and 10mb ethernet The machines are connected via a Netgear DS108 dual speed hub. I think I understand what you are saying except for one thing. Does the speed get negotiated for every packet? If so, isn't there a lot of overhead? If not, how does a packet from a machine connected at 100mb get switched/routed to a machine connected at 10mb? Does it go through a "transformer"? It might help my understanding if I knew what was different about 10mb and 100mb ethernet other than the maximum throughput. For example, does 100mb use a greater frequency bandwidth, does it send more pulses per unit time, or what? I measured the throughput using ftp from a 1.0Gz PIII to a 400Mhz K6-3 and to a 750Mhz PIII. Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Troy.A Johnson > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 8:58 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Co-living 100mb and 10mb ethernet > > > Mike, > > Here are my (not necessarily correct) answers: > > >>> mbresnah@visi.com 11/18/01 04:15PM >>> > >Could someone explain to me in a nutshell how 10mb and 100mb co-exist > >happily on the same ethernet? > > Technically, as stated before, they cannot. If your local > network is connected by a HUB, they are all on the > same ETHERNET SEGMENT. If your local network > is connected by a SWITCH, the switch provides a > separate a ethernet segment for each connection and > connects those with a BACKPLANE (which runs at > least as fast as the fastest network segment). Steve > explained dual speed hubs, but basically they provide > two ethernet segments: one 10Mb, one 100Mb; via an > internal two port switch. > > >For example, I have 3PCs and a DSL modem on > >my local network. 1 PC and the modem have 10mb cards and 2 of > the PCs have > >100mb cards. When I transfer a file from one of the 100mb > machines it takes > >about 5 times less time than when I transfer to the 10mb machine, so it > >certainly appears that the network is capable of both speeds. > Evidently the > >10mb is able to detect and handle collisions with the 100mb and > vice versa. > >Perhaps it's because they both use the same carrier frequency; > if they use > >such a thing? Also, is a 5x speed difference what I should expect? Not > >10x? > > The speeds are differentiated by a factor of 10 only > for the theoretical maximum throughput for each > medium. It may be difficult for your PCs to push a > 100Mb connection close to it's max. It may be that > the 10Mb connection is full duplex (actually 20Mb > max) while the 100Mb connection is half duplex. > A factor of 5 is not an unusual speed difference, > but it may depend on the service used (those with > less overhead (like FTP) will probably be faster). > > >Take pity on me. I'm a software guy. > I do pity you, Mike, and I pity me too. ;-) > > Troy > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Mon Nov 19 15:22:53 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Arrived in the mail.. In-Reply-To: <20011119114340.66e1c06e.rudie@sihope.com> Message-ID: my reply address was bogus? how so what did it say? this mail server is still in "testing" phase and i would like to know of any difficulties... -munir On Mon, 19 Nov 2001, K Hinze wrote: > And if Doug doesn't want it...... > > heheh > I tried replying to your original post off-list but the reply addy was bogus. > I see from your following posts that your reply addy is different than the original post (regarding the ATX case!) > Oh well, chalk it up to 'snooze = lose' for not being better - on the ball > > -Kevin > > On Mon, 19 Nov 2001 10:00:48 -0600 (CST) > Munir Nassar wrote: > > > On Sun, 18 Nov 2001, Rodd Ahrenstorff wrote: > > > > > As to the computer case, you were the first to respond. That makes it yours, > > > unless you would like to defer to Doug Hanson. > > > > Doug can have it, I will try again when i am ready to buy the rest of the > > computer... ;-) > > > > -munir > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- From simeonuj at nssmgmt.com Mon Nov 19 15:38:29 2001 From: simeonuj at nssmgmt.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Co-living 100mb and 10mb ethernet Message-ID: Why, Oh why, are there different specs? Are they used for different types of wiring? > Hrm, you list 5 pairs. Cat 5 only has 4 pairs... :) > > Color Codes for T568B > Pin color pair name > --- ----- ---- --------- > 1 wh/or 2 TxData + > 2 or 2 TxData - > 3 wh/grn 3 RecvData+ > 4 blu 1 > 5 wh/blu 1 > 6 grn 3 RecvData- > 7 wh/brn 4 > 8 brn 4 > Or the T568A - we use this for some reason... 1 - wh/grn 2 - grn 3 - wh/or 4 - blu 5 - wh/blu 6 - or 7 - wh/brn 8 - brn The Easy Aproach... > > orange > > orange-white > > blue > > blue-white > > brown > > brown-white > > green > > green-white > > black > > black-white > With extra wires leftover? WOW, I think I'll try it this way next time. Run an anolog phone line too... ;-) It really doesn't matter as far as the data is conserned how you wire it. As long as it's the same on both ends (for the non-crossover cable) it will work fine. The wires are special or anything. Of course if you ever have someone who know's what there doing check it out you may get a severe talkin to... sim From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Nov 19 16:10:04 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Co-living 100mb and 10mb ethernet In-Reply-To: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BC0A6@postman.transition.com> References: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BC0A6@postman.transition.com> Message-ID: <20011119152045.6264d839.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Steve Grobe wrote: > > I get the feeling I am not making this any clearer. *shrug* It's making sense to me, but I'm weird. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ How do you make Windows / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ faster? Throw it harder. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I packet is > brought in , > buffered, the preamble is rebuilt and it is routed via a lookup > table to the > correct port where it is sent out at the proper speed for that port. Do I understand correctly that the dual speed hub is converting between manchester and MLT3 encoding along with buffering the packets? This brings up another question. How big is the buffer and what happens when it fills up? I'm guessing there is some sort of flow control built in to keep things sane. Hopefully they didn't use ctrl-s and ctrl-q! Ha ha! Mike From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Nov 19 16:26:23 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Co-living 100mb and 10mb ethernet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 19 Nov 2001, Simeon Johnston wrote: > Or the T568A - we use this for some reason... I have *heard* that the Cat5e standard insisted in 568A, but I think that's bogus. I haven't met anyoine yet who convinced me to use the 568A standard over 568B. Besides, data doesn't care what color the wires are anyway. > It really doesn't matter as far as the data is conserned how you wire > it. As long as it's the same on both ends (for the non-crossover cable) > it will work fine. Not true!!! it must be wired in respect to PAIRS. Pins 1 and 2 must be in a pair, and 3 and 6 must be in a pair. In a short run you can get away with anything, but go over 15 feet or so and even 10Mb will scream. -Brian From steveg at transition.com Mon Nov 19 16:33:15 2001 From: steveg at transition.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Co-living 100mb and 10mb ethernet Message-ID: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BC0A7@postman.transition.com> "It really doesn't matter as far as the data is conserned how you wire it. As long as it's the same on both ends (for the non-crossover cable) it will work fine. " That's not true. Pins {1,2} and {3,6} must be wired as pairs for longer cable runs or you will throw the impedance all out of wack. At 10Mb you can get away with just about anything Cat 2 will even work for short distances, 100Mb is not nearly as forgiving. -----Original Message----- From: Simeon Johnston [mailto:simeonuj@nssmgmt.com] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 2:54 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Co-living 100mb and 10mb ethernet Why, Oh why, are there different specs? Are they used for different types of wiring? > Hrm, you list 5 pairs. Cat 5 only has 4 pairs... :) > > Color Codes for T568B > Pin color pair name > --- ----- ---- --------- > 1 wh/or 2 TxData + > 2 or 2 TxData - > 3 wh/grn 3 RecvData+ > 4 blu 1 > 5 wh/blu 1 > 6 grn 3 RecvData- > 7 wh/brn 4 > 8 brn 4 > Or the T568A - we use this for some reason... 1 - wh/grn 2 - grn 3 - wh/or 4 - blu 5 - wh/blu 6 - or 7 - wh/brn 8 - brn The Easy Aproach... > > orange > > orange-white > > blue > > blue-white > > brown > > brown-white > > green > > green-white > > black > > black-white > With extra wires leftover? WOW, I think I'll try it this way next time. Run an anolog phone line too... ;-) It really doesn't matter as far as the data is conserned how you wire it. As long as it's the same on both ends (for the non-crossover cable) it will work fine. The wires are special or anything. Of course if you ever have someone who know's what there doing check it out you may get a severe talkin to... sim _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jshawley at sgi.com Mon Nov 19 16:54:34 2001 From: jshawley at sgi.com (Jeremy Shawley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Co-living 100mb and 10mb ethernet In-Reply-To: <01111911061000.00470@bleys> References: <01111911061000.00470@bleys> Message-ID: <200111191821.fAJILc413033764@nodin.corp.sgi.com> Collisions are just a fact with half duplex connections. There is nothing wrong with them, unless they are excessive. A full duplex conneciton will never have collisions. But don't worrie about them. Its all a timing deal on the wire. Here is the AT&T (I think) wiring Green -white green Orange-white blue blue-white Orange brown-white brown -Jeremy On Monday 19 November 2001 11:06, you wrote: > This brings up an interesting point. I have two hubs at home, both are > 10Mbs. I was transferring files from one machine to another, and I was > getting collisions. The tranfer was fine, but I got to thinking about this. > I made my own cabling, but I don't know if I have then right or not. Could > someone either color code both ends for me? I thought it was like below: > > orange > orange-white > blue > blue-white > brown > brown-white > green > green-white > black > black-white > > Is this correct if you are looking at both cable ends with the security > clip towards you going from left to right? Also, one of my hubs is a 8 > port +bnc + 1 uplink (it's a D-link) and the other is a standard 8 port hub > (3 Com). So, would my uplink port go to port 8 of the 3Com hub? > > If someone can answer this or provide a link of proper cable making > procedures, would appreciate it greatly. > > > Shawn > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From fertch at mninter.net Mon Nov 19 17:13:18 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Co-living 100mb and 10mb ethernet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01111916464202.00475@bleys> Great, thanks for the info everyone. As to having 10 wires, and black pair, I was just typing and didn't really pay attention to count/color. Was more of a demo purpose than anything. Was looking for the color pattern/wiring layout more than anything as well as where to hook the uplink port to on my 3Com hub. The collisions I was getting was with no other network traffic going on and it was maybe 35MB's of data going from one machine to another. I think across the uplink cable, but can't recall specificly off the top of my head (I'm at work). I think I have a tan wire instead of a green-white, but I'll figure that out. Thanks again. Shawn On Monday 19 November 2001 11:13, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > This is 10 wires. Cat 5 has 8, as do RJ45 connectors. > > For straight through cable, clip on the bottom, from > left to right: > > orange white > orange > green white > blue > blue white > green > brown white > brown > > (if I remember correctly). :-/ > > Your uplink port can be connected to any > of the standard ports on your other hub with > straight through cable. > > Troy > > >>> fertch@mninter.net 11/19/01 11:06AM >>> > > This brings up an interesting point. I have two hubs at home, both are > 10Mbs. I was transferring files from one machine to another, and I was > getting collisions. The tranfer was fine, but I got to thinking about this. > I made my own cabling, but I don't know if I have then right or not. Could > someone either color code both ends for me? I thought it was like below: > > orange > orange-white > blue > blue-white > brown > brown-white > green > green-white > black > black-white > > Is this correct if you are looking at both cable ends with the security > clip towards you going from left to right? Also, one of my hubs is a 8 > port +bnc + 1 uplink (it's a D-link) and the other is a standard 8 port hub > (3 Com). So, would my uplink port go to port 8 of the 3Com hub? > > If someone can answer this or provide a link of proper cable making > procedures, would appreciate it greatly. > > > Shawn > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Mon Nov 19 17:19:43 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Co-living 100mb and 10mb ethernet In-Reply-To: ; from mbresnah@visi.com on Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 03:36:20PM -0800 References: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BC0A6@postman.transition.com> Message-ID: <20011119162511.A23673@beaver.iucha.org> On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 03:36:20PM -0800, Mike Bresnahan wrote: > Do I understand correctly that the dual speed hub is converting between > manchester and MLT3 encoding along with buffering the packets? This brings > up another question. How big is the buffer and what happens when it fills > up? When it fills up it just drops the incoming packets. The layers above Ethernet will have to cope with that. That's why UDP is a "best-effort" transport. > I'm guessing there is some sort of flow control built in to keep things > sane. Hopefully they didn't use ctrl-s and ctrl-q! Ha ha! If the network is overloaded, it doesn't make much sense to add your own packets with "stop the transmission"... florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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There were some ultra-high speed parallel interfaces under development at Sandia Nat'l Labs, probably 10 years ago, where they found that at really excessive data rates, different colored dyes in insulation had measureably different propagation times. They had to use all the same colored wires in order to get around it. But that's the sort of info you only use to win bets when you're drinking. :) -- I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Nov 19 21:36:48 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0AD@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> I'm trying to upgrade from Mandrake default 2.4.8 kernel to 2.4.13. All of my partitions are Reiserfs and mounted with the notails option. It works great with the default kernel, but when I boot with my new kernel, I get a kernel panic because it cannot find the root fs. I've tried compiling reiserfs support into the kernel, and also tried it as a module with an initrd image created with the --preload reiserfs option. I've also tried converting /boot to ext2 and that doesn't work either. Does anyone have a clue why this would be happening? Jay From list at slushpupie.com Mon Nov 19 23:04:07 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0AD@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0AD@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011120041645.SVXE626.femail28.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> It will most certainly not work as a module if all your partitions are reiserfs. It needs to be able to read the filesystem the modules are located on, and thus the kernel must have one fs built in, which should be your root partition (and where your modules should be). Of course, there are always exceptions out there, but as a general rule, thats how it works. As for why you can boot with an all reiserfs, I had the same trouble in 2.4.11+. I have not been able to get a single build on my system to boot. So here I sit at 2.4.9 and am pretty happy thus far. I have heard a few other strange things with the newer kernels anyway. A little off topic, but has anyone noticed the absence of a development branch in the kernel? As a result, it seems more bugs have poped up. Jay On Monday 19 November 2001 09:14 pm, you wrote: > I'm trying to upgrade from Mandrake default 2.4.8 kernel to 2.4.13. All of > my partitions are Reiserfs and mounted with the notails option. It works > great with the default kernel, but when I boot with my new kernel, I get a > kernel panic because it cannot find the root fs. > > I've tried compiling reiserfs support into the kernel, and also tried it as > a module with an initrd image created with the --preload reiserfs option. > I've also tried converting /boot to ext2 and that doesn't work either. > > Does anyone have a clue why this would be happening? > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- question = ( to ) ? be : ! be; -- Wm. Shakespeare From wilson at visi.com Mon Nov 19 23:44:32 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dpkg override Message-ID: Hi everyone, For some unknown reason (no doubt my fault), a past apt-get upgrade produced a broken mailman installation. I eventually got mailman reinstalled (while keeping the existing mailing lists intact I might add), but the CGI scripts are gone. As a result, requests for http://my.humble.domain.org/mailman/listinfo/ go unanswered because there are no CGI scripts in /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/. I downloaded mailman-2.0.7-1 and tried # dpkg -i --force-overwrite mailmanblahblahblah.deb hoping that the scripts would get reinstalled. No luck. What's the most elegant way to get this working? I don't want to delete my existing lists. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From florin at iucha.net Mon Nov 19 23:45:35 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0AD@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 09:14:49PM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0AD@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011119231422.A11970@beaver.iucha.org> On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 09:14:49PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > I'm trying to upgrade from Mandrake default 2.4.8 kernel to 2.4.13. All of > my partitions are Reiserfs and mounted with the notails option. It works > great with the default kernel, but when I boot with my new kernel, I get a > kernel panic because it cannot find the root fs. > > I've tried compiling reiserfs support into the kernel, and also tried it as > a module with an initrd image created with the --preload reiserfs option. > I've also tried converting /boot to ext2 and that doesn't work either. > > Does anyone have a clue why this would be happening? The boot doesn't matter. The root fs type has to be built in the kernel, not as a module. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Any that are not out of my house by about the first week of December will be recycled. Thanks, Andy From jack at jacku.com Tue Nov 20 07:18:25 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions In-Reply-To: <20011120041645.SVXE626.femail28.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0AD@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20011120041645.SVXE626.femail28.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Message-ID: <01112006383400.01005@geezer> On Monday 19 November 2001 22:08, you wrote: > A little off topic, but has anyone noticed the absence of a development > branch in the kernel? As a result, it seems more bugs have poped up. > > Jay > Check out lwn.net for November 15. Its their lead story. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Tue Nov 20 08:55:02 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Free -- Linux Journal Back Issues Message-ID: I have space here at work where I could create a library. Only problem is that I am in Chaska, a bit outside the beaten path. My own library is a bit thin, but would be willing to make it accessible as well. I do have the electronic versions of O'Reilly's Networking and Basic Unix library (DNS & Bind, TCP/IP, Building Internet Firewalls, Unix & Internet Security and Sendmail on one, vi, Unix in a Nutshell, sed & awk, Korn shell and Learning Unix on the other), which I would be willing to make part of the library. If someone is willing to do the programming of a web interface and set up the database, I would be willing to handle the mailing/retrieving of loaned items. Besides, that way I could peruse more books without having to buy them :) Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of andy@theasis.com Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 1:54 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Free -- Linux Journal Back Issues I have some back issues of Linux Journal that I need to dump, due to space considerations. These include all of years 1997 through 2000, as well as April, Sept, Nov, Dec 1996. I'm happy to give them away free to the TCLUG. First priority is a LUG library, if anyone is interested in creating & maintaining one. Second priority is the first individual to express interest via private email (NOT the list), BUT... - I'd really like to part with all at once. - I don't want to bother with anything less than complete years. - You gotta come get them (at a mutually convenient location). Any that are not out of my house by about the first week of December will be recycled. Thanks, Andy _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From esper at sherohman.org Tue Nov 20 09:05:42 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dpkg override In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 10:55:27PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011120082707.A29062@sherohman.org> On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 10:55:27PM -0600, Timothy Wilson wrote: > For some unknown reason (no doubt my fault), a past apt-get upgrade produced > a broken mailman installation. I eventually got mailman reinstalled (while > keeping the existing mailing lists intact I might add), but the CGI scripts > are gone. As a result, requests for > http://my.humble.domain.org/mailman/listinfo/ go unanswered because there > are no CGI scripts in /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/. > > I downloaded mailman-2.0.7-1 and tried > # dpkg -i --force-overwrite mailmanblahblahblah.deb Have you tried apt-get install --reinstall mailman ? -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Mr. Slippery From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Nov 20 09:13:24 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0AE@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > The boot doesn't matter. The root fs type has to be built in > the kernel, not as a module. This is not true though. That's what the initrd (Initial Ramdisk) is for. The initrd image is loaded into memory before the kernel, and when the kernel boots, it loads modules from the initrd image (which is ext2, and yes I have ext2 built into the kernel). Mandrake makes reiserfs as a module, and since it's loaded into their initrd image, I'm able to boot fine with it. But for some reason when compiling a new kernel, and making a new initrd image, I cannot boot. Jay > > florin > > -- > > "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." > > 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 > From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Nov 20 09:20:35 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0AF@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Also, I've tried compiling reiserfs support into the kernel also, not as a module. And I still have the same problem. > -----Original Message----- > From: Florin Iucha [mailto:florin@iucha.net] > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 11:14 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions > > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 09:14:49PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > > I'm trying to upgrade from Mandrake default 2.4.8 kernel to > 2.4.13. > > All of my partitions are Reiserfs and mounted with the > notails option. > > It works great with the default kernel, but when I boot with my new > > kernel, I get a kernel panic because it cannot find the root fs. > > > > I've tried compiling reiserfs support into the kernel, and > also tried > > it as a module with an initrd image created with the --preload > > reiserfs option. I've also tried converting /boot to ext2 and that > > doesn't work either. > > > > Does anyone have a clue why this would be happening? > > The boot doesn't matter. The root fs type has to be built in > the kernel, not as a module. > > florin > > -- > > "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." > > 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 > From fertch at mninter.net Tue Nov 20 09:21:37 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian install Message-ID: <01112009542200.00476@bleys> I'm going to be installing Debian stable (woody?) in the next couple of days on my firewall/gateway machine. Dual NIC's, Pentium 120, 32MB ram. Is there anything in particular I need to watch out for? I plan on running IPtables on this box instead of IPchains also. No X windows. I've installed Mandrake, Slackware (my typical distro), SuSe and tried one instance of RedHat 6.x but not a Debian install. Just looking for pointers, pitfalls to watch out for etc. Thanks, Shawn From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Tue Nov 20 10:04:41 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dpkg override In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011120091031.A12336@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 10:55:27PM -0600, Timothy Wilson wrote: > Hi everyone, > > For some unknown reason (no doubt my fault), a past apt-get upgrade produced > a broken mailman installation. I eventually got mailman reinstalled (while > keeping the existing mailing lists intact I might add), but the CGI scripts > are gone. As a result, requests for > http://my.humble.domain.org/mailman/listinfo/ go unanswered because there > are no CGI scripts in /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/. > > I downloaded mailman-2.0.7-1 and tried > # dpkg -i --force-overwrite mailmanblahblahblah.deb > > hoping that the scripts would get reinstalled. No luck. > > What's the most elegant way to get this working? I don't want to delete my > existing lists. Did you try 'dpkg -r mailman; dpkg -i mailmanblahblahblah.deb' ? Removing with '-r' the package should leave all of your config files intact, so when you reinstall your lists should be ready to go. Of course its a good idea to be safe and backup all of the config files before hand. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://faircopyright.org/ From nate at techie.com Tue Nov 20 10:11:48 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions In-Reply-To: <20011119231422.A11970@beaver.iucha.org>; from florin@iucha.net on Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 11:14:22PM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0AD@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20011119231422.A11970@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20011120092149.A15622@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 11:14:22PM -0600, Florin Iucha wrote: > The boot doesn't matter. The root fs type has to be built in the kernel, > not as a module. Not true. You just have to use an initial ramdisk (initrd) to load the module prior to mounting the root FS. It's the same as if you had your scsi driver as a module. Nate From nate at techie.com Tue Nov 20 10:18:48 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0AD@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 09:14:49PM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0AD@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011120092504.B15622@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 09:14:49PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > I'm trying to upgrade from Mandrake default 2.4.8 kernel to 2.4.13. All of > my partitions are Reiserfs and mounted with the notails option. It works > great with the default kernel, but when I boot with my new kernel, I get a > kernel panic because it cannot find the root fs. [...] > Does anyone have a clue why this would be happening? At any time were you using devfs? Just a thought, Nate From simeonuj at nssmgmt.com Tue Nov 20 10:19:42 2001 From: simeonuj at nssmgmt.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backgrounding processes? Message-ID: I have been wondering about something lately and can't figure it out. How do I background a process, say a kernel compile, so I don't have to sit there and watch it i.e. log in - start process - log out - log in later - find process done and everyones happy. How is this done? sim From wilson at visi.com Tue Nov 20 10:20:43 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dpkg override In-Reply-To: <20011120082707.A29062@sherohman.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 10:55:27PM -0600, Timothy Wilson wrote: > > For some unknown reason (no doubt my fault), a past apt-get upgrade produced > > a broken mailman installation. I eventually got mailman reinstalled (while > > keeping the existing mailing lists intact I might add), but the CGI scripts > > are gone. As a result, requests for > > http://my.humble.domain.org/mailman/listinfo/ go unanswered because there > > are no CGI scripts in /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/. > > > > I downloaded mailman-2.0.7-1 and tried > > # dpkg -i --force-overwrite mailmanblahblahblah.deb > > Have you tried > > apt-get install --reinstall mailman No luck. It still doesn't reinstall the contents of cgi-bin. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From wilson at visi.com Tue Nov 20 10:22:02 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dpkg override In-Reply-To: <20011120082707.A29062@sherohman.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 10:55:27PM -0600, Timothy Wilson wrote: > > For some unknown reason (no doubt my fault), a past apt-get upgrade produced > > a broken mailman installation. I eventually got mailman reinstalled (while > > keeping the existing mailing lists intact I might add), but the CGI scripts > > are gone. As a result, requests for > > http://my.humble.domain.org/mailman/listinfo/ go unanswered because there > > are no CGI scripts in /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/. > > > > I downloaded mailman-2.0.7-1 and tried > > # dpkg -i --force-overwrite mailmanblahblahblah.deb > > Have you tried > > apt-get install --reinstall mailman No luck. It still doesn't reinstall the contents of cgi-bin. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From poverby at megsinet.net Tue Nov 20 10:23:04 2001 From: poverby at megsinet.net (Paul Overby) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dell offering red hat Message-ID: <3BFA780F.84D2692B@megsinet.net> I see Dell announced yesterday that it is offering Red hat on a couple of its new servers. http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/011119/192373_1.html -- Paul Overby Poverby@megsinet.net Office: 651-686-6074 Home: 452-3233 From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Nov 20 10:30:45 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dpkg override In-Reply-To: <20011120082707.A29062@sherohman.org> References: <20011120082707.A29062@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20011120155708.ADF7E4479@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> dpkg -r mailman should uninstall mailman, but leave your configuriations alone. dpkg --purge mailman would blow everything away. But it would still be in your best interests to back up your configs first. -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org/~zibby Bender: You just think that robots are machines built by humans to make their lifes easier. Fry: Well, aren't they? Bender: I've never made anyone's life easier and you know it! From phil at rephil.org Tue Nov 20 11:11:38 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (phil@rephil.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian install In-Reply-To: <01112009542200.00476@bleys>; from fertch@mninter.net on Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 09:54:22AM -0600 References: <01112009542200.00476@bleys> Message-ID: <20011120101607.B19424@rephil.org> On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 09:54:22AM -0600, Shawn wrote: > I'm going to be installing Debian stable (woody?) stable is still potato. > in the next couple of days > on my firewall/gateway machine. Dual NIC's, Pentium 120, 32MB ram. Is there > anything in particular I need to watch out for? No. :) > I plan on running IPtables on this box instead of IPchains also. No X > windows. I'm not sure, but then I believe you will have to upgrade to a 2.4 kernel. I think stable still uses 2.2.x > I've installed Mandrake, Slackware (my typical distro), SuSe and tried one > instance of RedHat 6.x but not a Debian install. Just looking for pointers, > pitfalls to watch out for etc. Installing isn't bad, especially if you've done Slack before, but not GUI. apt-get is your friend, as has been said before. -- I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. From natecars at real-time.com Tue Nov 20 11:15:53 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Fw: Vendors For WU-FTPD Please Read] Message-ID: For those of you who are silly enough to use WU-FTPD... patch it, now. Don't know what the vulnerability is, but hey.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:49:47 -0700 (MST) From: Vulnerability Help To: "bugtraq@securityfocus.com" Subject: Vendors For WU-FTPD Please Read Heya all, The SecurityFocus Vulnerability Help Team is in the process of notifying vendors of a remotely exploitable problem in WU-FTPD . Rather than miss any vendors we are asking vendors which read Bugtraq and ship WU-FTPD either as a default package or a ports package to please mail us your relevant security contact information (with a PGP key please). The WU-FTPD has been notified already. Cheers, SecurityFocus Vulnerability Help Team From wilson at visi.com Tue Nov 20 11:19:59 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dpkg override In-Reply-To: <20011120091031.A12336@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Jim Crumley wrote: > > What's the most elegant way to get this working? I don't want to delete my > > existing lists. > > Did you try 'dpkg -r mailman; dpkg -i mailmanblahblahblah.deb' ? Thanks! That did it. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Nov 20 11:28:00 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0AF@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0AF@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011120103509.4bf37052.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > Also, I've tried compiling reiserfs support into the kernel also, not as > a module. And I still have the same problem. Try to give us the error message.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ The cost of feathers has / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ risen, even down is up! \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011120103444.A9141@wookimus.net> On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 09:34:51AM -0600, Simeon Johnston wrote: > I have been wondering about something lately and can't figure it out. > How do I background a process, say a kernel compile, so I don't have > to sit there and watch it i.e. log in - start process - log out - log > in later - find process done and everyones happy. > > How is this done? bash$ nohup make bzImage & Alternatively, if all you want is a log of the compile, but you want to also watch what's going on (and colorize it)... bash$ make bzImage 2>&1 | tee /tmp/make.out | grcat conf.gcc You can do lots of stuff. ;-) -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: ; from simeonuj@nssmgmt.com on Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 09:34:51AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011120173247.F45448@io.stderr.net> On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 09:34:51AM -0600, Simeon Johnston wrote: > I have been wondering about something lately and can't figure it out. > How do I background a process, say a kernel compile, so I don't have to > sit there and watch it i.e. log in - start process - log out - log in > later - find process done and everyones happy. > > How is this done? screen is a good bet if you actually want to come back and see if it went okay. screen cd /path/to/your/compile make bzImage Ctrl-a d (without control) do whatever you want to do while waiting for it to finish when you feel like getting back the session: screen -r -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From phil at rephil.org Tue Nov 20 11:35:37 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (phil@rephil.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backgrounding processes? In-Reply-To: ; from simeonuj@nssmgmt.com on Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 09:34:51AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011120103000.D19424@rephil.org> On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 09:34:51AM -0600, Simeon Johnston wrote: > I have been wondering about something lately and can't figure it out. > How do I background a process, say a kernel compile, so I don't have to > sit there and watch it i.e. log in - start process - log out - log in > later - find process done and everyones happy. > > How is this done? Try 'man nohup'. -- I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. From esper at sherohman.org Tue Nov 20 11:36:53 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backgrounding processes? In-Reply-To: ; from simeonuj@nssmgmt.com on Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 09:34:51AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011120103357.E29106@sherohman.org> On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 09:34:51AM -0600, Simeon Johnston wrote: > I have been wondering about something lately and can't figure it out. > How do I background a process, say a kernel compile, so I don't have to > sit there and watch it i.e. log in - start process - log out - log in > later - find process done and everyones happy. > > How is this done? If you know in advance that you want to do this: $ nohup somecmd & If you're in the middle of it and get bored: $ somecmd Ctrl-Z $ bg 1 (Ctrl-Z puts the job on hold and you can then either use fg to continue in the foreground or bg to continue in the background.) -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Mr. Slippery From florin at iucha.net Tue Nov 20 11:38:31 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions In-Reply-To: <20011120092149.A15622@candle.mn.mediaone.net>; from nate@techie.com on Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 09:21:49AM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0AD@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20011119231422.A11970@beaver.iucha.org> <20011120092149.A15622@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20011120103935.A14557@beaver.iucha.org> On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 09:21:49AM -0600, Nate Straz wrote: > On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 11:14:22PM -0600, Florin Iucha wrote: > > The boot doesn't matter. The root fs type has to be built in the kernel, > > not as a module. > > Not true. You just have to use an initial ramdisk (initrd) to load the > module prior to mounting the root FS. It's the same as if you had your > scsi driver as a module. I remember having troubles with initrd and xfs as a module and root on xfs and I have read somewhere that the rootfs has to be linked into the kernel. And my problems dissapeared. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011120/2f6bc5c6/attachment.pgp From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Nov 20 11:39:46 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backgrounding processes? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011120104158.0092b46b.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "Simeon Johnston" wrote: > > I have been wondering about something lately and can't figure it out. > How do I background a process, say a kernel compile, so I don't have to > sit there and watch it i.e. log in - start process - log out - log in > later - find process done and everyones happy. > > How is this done? For this sort of thing, I'd recommend using screen. Start screen, start your compile, and then press CTRL-A and then D to detach. Run `screen -r' to reattach. There are other ways to do it, but this is probably one of the safer ones.. If you accidentally exit X while screen is open in a terminal window, for instance, your compile will keep running even though its terminal window went away. Just reattach, and everything should be fine.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ The sign said "eight items / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ or less". So I changed my \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) name to Les. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011120/8dadff05/attachment.pgp From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Nov 20 11:41:01 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0B0@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Yes, I compiled in devfs also. Devfs works fine with my original kernel though. I've also tried passing the devfs=mount option in lilo. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Nate Straz [mailto:nate@techie.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 9:25 AM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions > > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 09:14:49PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > > I'm trying to upgrade from Mandrake default 2.4.8 kernel to > 2.4.13. > > All of my partitions are Reiserfs and mounted with the > notails option. > > It works great with the default kernel, but when I boot with my new > > kernel, I get a kernel panic because it cannot find the root fs. > [...] > > Does anyone have a clue why this would be happening? > > At any time were you using devfs? > > Just a thought, > > Nate > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From bgilbertson at stonel.com Tue Nov 20 11:42:18 2001 From: bgilbertson at stonel.com (Bob Gilbertson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0AE@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <3BFA87F8.635B5B06@stonel.com> Could the van Riel > Archangeli VM changeover be involved? Just a newbie observation. Bob "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > > The boot doesn't matter. The root fs type has to be built in > > the kernel, not as a module. > But for some reason when compiling a new kernel, and making a new initrd > image, I cannot boot. From nate at techie.com Tue Nov 20 11:47:01 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dpkg override In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 10:55:27PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011120105217.B8965@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 10:55:27PM -0600, Timothy Wilson wrote: > I downloaded mailman-2.0.7-1 and tried > # dpkg -i --force-overwrite mailmanblahblahblah.deb I think we need a little more investigation. # dpkg -L mailman What is your cgi-bin directory configured as? Did you just upgrade fro potato to woody? One thing that annoys me about Debian is that they put all their packaged CGIs in /usr/lib/cgi-bin. I think potato used /var/www/cgi-bin, so that could be a source of problems. Check these out and let us know what you find. Nate From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Nov 20 11:48:16 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dell offering red hat In-Reply-To: <3BFA780F.84D2692B@megsinet.net> References: <3BFA780F.84D2692B@megsinet.net> Message-ID: <20011120105338.337e90f6.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Paul Overby wrote: > > I see Dell announced yesterday that it is offering Red hat on a couple > of its new servers. > > http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/011119/192373_1.html That's neat, but I wish Dell didn't see Linux as a migration platform, but rather as a `destination': http://www.dell.com/us/en/biz/topics/linux_linuxhome.htm The Register has an article on it that lines up pretty well with my thoughts on that statement.. http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/22928.html (Wandering off the subject..) Personally, I could care less about desktops, but when I finally get a laptop, I'd really like to have Linux pre-installed on it. I don't want Microsoft's OS sales numbers to get any more inflated than they already are. I'd rather get Linux, even if it's a crappy distro that I'll overwrite anyway. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Imagine what we can / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ imagine! \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011120/5d92182b/attachment.pgp From nate at techie.com Tue Nov 20 11:49:29 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backgrounding processes? In-Reply-To: ; from simeonuj@nssmgmt.com on Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 09:34:51AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011120105531.A30379@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 09:34:51AM -0600, Simeon Johnston wrote: > I have been wondering about something lately and can't figure it out. > How do I background a process, say a kernel compile, so I don't have to > sit there and watch it i.e. log in - start process - log out - log in > later - find process done and everyones happy. If you intend to background it immediately, try this: make > make.log 2>&1 & Then you can watch it by `tail -f make.log` If you decide after the fact, it's not quite as clean. Hit CTRL-Z to suspend the program then type `bg` to background the task. The output will still stream to the screen, so you may want to close the terminal. If there is a problem, then you won't be able to see the error message. Nate From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Nov 20 11:50:48 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dell offering red hat Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0B2@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Yeah, those 1500 series boxes are a steal for the price. We got a bunch of 1550's with dual 1Ghz procs for like $1500 each. They are about twice as fast as our old quad proc 6350's, and a good deal faster than the dual PIII733 2450's, for a fraction of the price. The 6350's ran around $20k each when we bought them, and 2450's ran around $7k or so. They get win2k on them though, not linux. I'm trying to score a couple to stick some FreeBSD lovin' to. Does anyone know of any 2u rackmount Dual Athlon Systems? I really want to see what kind of performance I can get out of one of those. As a webserver (running IIS), we benchmarked an AMD 1700+ XP box with IDE and 512MB ram, against a 1550 with dual PIII 1Ghz's and 1GB ram, and the AMD box was actually about 40% faster serving out dynamic content (on a single proc!). Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Overby [mailto:poverby@megsinet.net] > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 9:35 AM > To: tclug-list > Subject: [TCLUG] Dell offering red hat > > > I see Dell announced yesterday that it is offering Red hat on > a couple of its new servers. > http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/011119/192373_1.html -- Paul Overby Poverby@megsinet.net Office: 651-686-6074 Home: 452-3233 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From barnabas at knicknack.net Tue Nov 20 12:02:04 2001 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backgrounding processes? In-Reply-To: ; from simeonuj@nssmgmt.com on Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 09:34:51AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011120105824.A456@knicknack.net> I've found screen to be an extremely useful tool for things like this. screen gives you the ability to start multiple virtual terminals within a screen session. You can then detach from the entire screen process, leaving it running. You can reattach to the session later from elsewhere. It is even possible to detach the session without being on the session. screen is a GNU tool, so if your distro doesn't have it, you can get it from your local GNU mirror. HTH, Eric On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 09:34:51AM -0600, Simeon Johnston wrote: > I have been wondering about something lately and can't figure it out. > How do I background a process, say a kernel compile, so I don't have to > sit there and watch it i.e. log in - start process - log out - log in > later - find process done and everyones happy. > > How is this done? > > sim > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From phil at rephil.org Tue Nov 20 12:06:00 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (phil@rephil.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Free -- Linux Journal Back Issues In-Reply-To: ; from jspinti@dart.dartdist.com on Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 07:45:49AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011120110840.C19536@rephil.org> On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 07:45:49AM -0600, James Spinti wrote: > If someone is willing to do the programming of a web interface and set up > the database, I would be willing to handle the mailing/retrieving of loaned > items. Besides, that way I could peruse more books without having to buy > them :) I feel strongly that a LUG lending library is a good deal, but you're willing to cover postage? I think that's something you'll get tired of. And what about recalls, overdue, lost books? I'm thinking about how to handle these things without letting them become burdensome. Not that LUG members couldn't do it all on the honor system, but someone's going to borrow a Perl book and get lost in their coding and forget that they forgot to return it. I don't have the answer yet, but if I think of something, I'll let you know. I'm not flush with free time, but if I can help with other stuff, let me know. Phil -- I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. From myok at ogzr.org Tue Nov 20 12:13:10 2001 From: myok at ogzr.org (Myok) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backgrounding processes? References: Message-ID: <001501c171e8$063d0c20$4165a8c0@here> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simeon Johnston" To: "TCLUG (E-mail)" Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 9:34 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Backgrounding processes? > I have been wondering about something lately and can't figure it out. > How do I background a process, say a kernel compile, so I don't have to > sit there and watch it i.e. log in - start process - log out - log in > later - find process done and everyones happy. > > How is this done? > nohup and & together will do what you want: login # nohup make bzImage & logout From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Nov 20 12:23:14 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [Fw: Vendors For WU-FTPD Please Read] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011120112819.O18625@ringworld.org> There isn't a patch released yet. It will be released December 3rd. Move to ProFTPD. * Nate Carlson [011120 11:24]: > For those of you who are silly enough to use WU-FTPD... patch it, now. > Don't know what the vulnerability is, but hey.. > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:49:47 -0700 (MST) > From: Vulnerability Help > To: "bugtraq@securityfocus.com" > Subject: Vendors For WU-FTPD Please Read > > > > Heya all, > > The SecurityFocus Vulnerability Help Team is in the process of notifying > vendors of a remotely exploitable problem in WU-FTPD . Rather than miss > any vendors we are asking vendors which read Bugtraq and ship WU-FTPD > either as a default package or a ports package to please mail us your > relevant security contact information (with a PGP key please). The WU-FTPD > has been notified already. > > Cheers, > > SecurityFocus > Vulnerability Help Team > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From kpage at isd.net Tue Nov 20 12:24:55 2001 From: kpage at isd.net (Keith Page) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] help References: <200111201721.fAKHL9T08941@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <001a01c171e9$15c07e60$050a0180@rolloutlaptop> help ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 11:21 AM Subject: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #1671 - 16 msgs > Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tclug-list-request@mn-linux.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. new kernel and all reiserfs partitions (Austad, Jay) > 2. Re: new kernel and all reiserfs partitions (Jay Kline) > 3. dpkg override (Timothy Wilson) > 4. Re: new kernel and all reiserfs partitions (Florin Iucha) > 5. Free -- Linux Journal Back Issues (andy@theasis.com) > 6. Re: new kernel and all reiserfs partitions (Jack Ungerleider) > 7. RE: Free -- Linux Journal Back Issues (James Spinti) > 8. Re: dpkg override (Dave Sherohman) > 9. RE: new kernel and all reiserfs partitions (Austad, Jay) > 10. RE: new kernel and all reiserfs partitions (Austad, Jay) > 11. Debian install (Shawn) > 12. Re: dpkg override (Jim Crumley) > 13. Re: new kernel and all reiserfs partitions (Nate Straz) > 14. Re: new kernel and all reiserfs partitions (Nate Straz) > 15. Backgrounding processes? (Simeon Johnston) > 16. Re: dpkg override (Timothy Wilson) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > From: "Austad, Jay" > To: "'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'" > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 21:14:49 -0600 > Subject: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > I'm trying to upgrade from Mandrake default 2.4.8 kernel to 2.4.13. All of > my partitions are Reiserfs and mounted with the notails option. It works > great with the default kernel, but when I boot with my new kernel, I get a > kernel panic because it cannot find the root fs. > > I've tried compiling reiserfs support into the kernel, and also tried it as > a module with an initrd image created with the --preload reiserfs option. > I've also tried converting /boot to ext2 and that doesn't work either. > > Does anyone have a clue why this would be happening? > > Jay > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > From: Jay Kline > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 22:08:50 -0600 > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > It will most certainly not work as a module if all your partitions are > reiserfs. It needs to be able to read the filesystem the modules are located > on, and thus the kernel must have one fs built in, which should be your root > partition (and where your modules should be). Of course, there are always > exceptions out there, but as a general rule, thats how it works. > > As for why you can boot with an all reiserfs, I had the same trouble in > 2.4.11+. I have not been able to get a single build on my system to boot. > So here I sit at 2.4.9 and am pretty happy thus far. I have heard a few other > strange things with the newer kernels anyway. > > A little off topic, but has anyone noticed the absence of a development > branch in the kernel? As a result, it seems more bugs have poped up. > > Jay > > On Monday 19 November 2001 09:14 pm, you wrote: > > I'm trying to upgrade from Mandrake default 2.4.8 kernel to 2.4.13. All of > > my partitions are Reiserfs and mounted with the notails option. It works > > great with the default kernel, but when I boot with my new kernel, I get a > > kernel panic because it cannot find the root fs. > > > > I've tried compiling reiserfs support into the kernel, and also tried it as > > a module with an initrd image created with the --preload reiserfs option. > > I've also tried converting /boot to ext2 and that doesn't work either. > > > > Does anyone have a clue why this would be happening? > > > > Jay > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > Jay Kline > list@slushpupie.com > http://www.slushpupie.com > -- > question = ( to ) ? be : ! be; > -- Wm. Shakespeare > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 22:55:27 -0600 (CST) > From: Timothy Wilson > To: TCLUG > Subject: [TCLUG] dpkg override > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Hi everyone, > > For some unknown reason (no doubt my fault), a past apt-get upgrade produced > a broken mailman installation. I eventually got mailman reinstalled (while > keeping the existing mailing lists intact I might add), but the CGI scripts > are gone. As a result, requests for > http://my.humble.domain.org/mailman/listinfo/ go unanswered because there > are no CGI scripts in /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/. > > I downloaded mailman-2.0.7-1 and tried > # dpkg -i --force-overwrite mailmanblahblahblah.deb > > hoping that the scripts would get reinstalled. No luck. > > What's the most elegant way to get this working? I don't want to delete my > existing lists. > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 23:14:22 -0600 > From: "Florin Iucha" > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > --SUOF0GtieIMvvwua > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Disposition: inline > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 09:14:49PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > > I'm trying to upgrade from Mandrake default 2.4.8 kernel to 2.4.13. All = > of > > my partitions are Reiserfs and mounted with the notails option. It works > > great with the default kernel, but when I boot with my new kernel, I get a > > kernel panic because it cannot find the root fs. > >=20 > > I've tried compiling reiserfs support into the kernel, and also tried it = > as > > a module with an initrd image created with the --preload reiserfs option. > > I've also tried converting /boot to ext2 and that doesn't work either. > >=20 > > Does anyone have a clue why this would be happening? =20 > > The boot doesn't matter. The root fs type has to be built in the kernel, > not as a module. > > florin > > --=20 > > "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." > > 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 > > --SUOF0GtieIMvvwua > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature > Content-Disposition: inline > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (OpenBSD) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE7+eatNLPgdTuQ3+QRAjoFAJ9dJ/v4aEsyvKTkmsvkv9r7Q3QyAgCgi8oa > AtRiwMIt+fDDEuY704U6rvE= > =p//G > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > --SUOF0GtieIMvvwua-- > > --__--__-- > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 02:05:37 -0600 (CST) > From: > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Free -- Linux Journal Back Issues > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > I have some back issues of Linux Journal that I need to dump, due to space > considerations. These include all of years 1997 through 2000, as well as > April, Sept, Nov, Dec 1996. > > I'm happy to give them away free to the TCLUG. > > First priority is a LUG library, if anyone is interested in creating & > maintaining one. > > Second priority is the first individual to express interest via private > email (NOT the list), > BUT... > > - I'd really like to part with all at once. > - I don't want to bother with anything less than complete years. > - You gotta come get them (at a mutually convenient location). > > Any that are not out of my house by about the first week of December will > be recycled. > > Thanks, > > Andy > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 6 > From: Jack Ungerleider > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 06:38:34 -0600 > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > On Monday 19 November 2001 22:08, you wrote: > > A little off topic, but has anyone noticed the absence of a development > > branch in the kernel? As a result, it seems more bugs have poped up. > > > > Jay > > > > Check out lwn.net for November 15. Its their lead story. > > > -- > Jack Ungerleider > jack@jacku.com > > --__--__-- > > Message: 7 > From: "James Spinti" > To: "Tclug-List" > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Free -- Linux Journal Back Issues > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 07:45:49 -0600 > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > I have space here at work where I could create a library. Only problem is > that I am in Chaska, a bit outside the beaten path. My own library is a bit > thin, but would be willing to make it accessible as well. I do have the > electronic versions of O'Reilly's Networking and Basic Unix library (DNS & > Bind, TCP/IP, Building Internet Firewalls, Unix & Internet Security and > Sendmail on one, vi, Unix in a Nutshell, sed & awk, Korn shell and Learning > Unix on the other), which I would be willing to make part of the library. > > If someone is willing to do the programming of a web interface and set up > the database, I would be willing to handle the mailing/retrieving of loaned > items. Besides, that way I could peruse more books without having to buy > them :) > > Thanks, > > James Spinti > jspinti at dartdist.com > 952-368-3278 x396 > fax 952-368-3255 > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of andy@theasis.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 1:54 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Free -- Linux Journal Back Issues > > > > I have some back issues of Linux Journal that I need to dump, due to space > considerations. These include all of years 1997 through 2000, as well as > April, Sept, Nov, Dec 1996. > > I'm happy to give them away free to the TCLUG. > > First priority is a LUG library, if anyone is interested in creating & > maintaining one. > > Second priority is the first individual to express interest via private > email (NOT the list), > BUT... > > - I'd really like to part with all at once. > - I don't want to bother with anything less than complete years. > - You gotta come get them (at a mutually convenient location). > > Any that are not out of my house by about the first week of December will > be recycled. > > Thanks, > > Andy > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 08:27:07 -0600 > From: Dave Sherohman > To: TCLUG > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] dpkg override > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 10:55:27PM -0600, Timothy Wilson wrote: > > For some unknown reason (no doubt my fault), a past apt-get upgrade produced > > a broken mailman installation. I eventually got mailman reinstalled (while > > keeping the existing mailing lists intact I might add), but the CGI scripts > > are gone. As a result, requests for > > http://my.humble.domain.org/mailman/listinfo/ go unanswered because there > > are no CGI scripts in /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/. > > > > I downloaded mailman-2.0.7-1 and tried > > # dpkg -i --force-overwrite mailmanblahblahblah.deb > > Have you tried > > apt-get install --reinstall mailman > > ? > > -- > When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists > have already won. - reverius > > Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Mr. Slippery > > --__--__-- > > Message: 9 > From: "Austad, Jay" > To: "'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'" > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 08:42:36 -0600 > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > The boot doesn't matter. The root fs type has to be built in > > the kernel, not as a module. > > This is not true though. That's what the initrd (Initial Ramdisk) is for. > The initrd image is loaded into memory before the kernel, and when the > kernel boots, it loads modules from the initrd image (which is ext2, and yes > I have ext2 built into the kernel). Mandrake makes reiserfs as a module, > and since it's loaded into their initrd image, I'm able to boot fine with > it. > > But for some reason when compiling a new kernel, and making a new initrd > image, I cannot boot. > > Jay > > > > > > > florin > > > > -- > > > > "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." > > > > 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 10 > From: "Austad, Jay" > To: "'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'" > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 08:53:27 -0600 > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Also, I've tried compiling reiserfs support into the kernel also, not as a > module. And I still have the same problem. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Florin Iucha [mailto:florin@iucha.net] > > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 11:14 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 09:14:49PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > I'm trying to upgrade from Mandrake default 2.4.8 kernel to > > 2.4.13. > > > All of my partitions are Reiserfs and mounted with the > > notails option. > > > It works great with the default kernel, but when I boot with my new > > > kernel, I get a kernel panic because it cannot find the root fs. > > > > > > I've tried compiling reiserfs support into the kernel, and > > also tried > > > it as a module with an initrd image created with the --preload > > > reiserfs option. I've also tried converting /boot to ext2 and that > > > doesn't work either. > > > > > > Does anyone have a clue why this would be happening? > > > > The boot doesn't matter. The root fs type has to be built in > > the kernel, not as a module. > > > > florin > > > > -- > > > > "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." > > > > 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 11 > From: Shawn > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:54:22 -0600 > Subject: [TCLUG] Debian install > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > I'm going to be installing Debian stable (woody?) in the next couple of days > on my firewall/gateway machine. Dual NIC's, Pentium 120, 32MB ram. Is there > anything in particular I need to watch out for? > > I plan on running IPtables on this box instead of IPchains also. No X > windows. > > I've installed Mandrake, Slackware (my typical distro), SuSe and tried one > instance of RedHat 6.x but not a Debian install. Just looking for pointers, > pitfalls to watch out for etc. > > > Thanks, > > > Shawn > > --__--__-- > > Message: 12 > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:10:31 -0600 > From: Jim Crumley > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] dpkg override > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 10:55:27PM -0600, Timothy Wilson wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > For some unknown reason (no doubt my fault), a past apt-get upgrade produced > > a broken mailman installation. I eventually got mailman reinstalled (while > > keeping the existing mailing lists intact I might add), but the CGI scripts > > are gone. As a result, requests for > > http://my.humble.domain.org/mailman/listinfo/ go unanswered because there > > are no CGI scripts in /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/. > > > > I downloaded mailman-2.0.7-1 and tried > > # dpkg -i --force-overwrite mailmanblahblahblah.deb > > > > hoping that the scripts would get reinstalled. No luck. > > > > What's the most elegant way to get this working? I don't want to delete my > > existing lists. > > Did you try 'dpkg -r mailman; dpkg -i mailmanblahblahblah.deb' ? > > Removing with '-r' the package should leave all of your config files > intact, so when you reinstall your lists should be ready to go. > Of course its a good idea to be safe and backup all of the config > files before hand. > > -- > Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) > crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ > Never laugh at live dragons |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://faircopyright.org/ > > --__--__-- > > Message: 13 > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:21:49 -0600 > From: Nate Straz > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 11:14:22PM -0600, Florin Iucha wrote: > > The boot doesn't matter. The root fs type has to be built in the kernel, > > not as a module. > > Not true. You just have to use an initial ramdisk (initrd) to load the > module prior to mounting the root FS. It's the same as if you had your > scsi driver as a module. > > Nate > > --__--__-- > > Message: 14 > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:25:05 -0600 > From: Nate Straz > To: "'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'" > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 09:14:49PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > > I'm trying to upgrade from Mandrake default 2.4.8 kernel to 2.4.13. All of > > my partitions are Reiserfs and mounted with the notails option. It works > > great with the default kernel, but when I boot with my new kernel, I get a > > kernel panic because it cannot find the root fs. > [...] > > Does anyone have a clue why this would be happening? > > At any time were you using devfs? > > Just a thought, > > Nate > > --__--__-- > > Message: 15 > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:34:51 -0600 > From: "Simeon Johnston" > To: "TCLUG (E-mail)" > Subject: [TCLUG] Backgrounding processes? > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > I have been wondering about something lately and can't figure it out. > How do I background a process, say a kernel compile, so I don't have to > sit there and watch it i.e. log in - start process - log out - log in > later - find process done and everyones happy. > > How is this done? > > sim > > --__--__-- > > Message: 16 > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:37:28 -0600 (CST) > From: Timothy Wilson > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Cc: TCLUG > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] dpkg override > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 10:55:27PM -0600, Timothy Wilson wrote: > > > For some unknown reason (no doubt my fault), a past apt-get upgrade produced > > > a broken mailman installation. I eventually got mailman reinstalled (while > > > keeping the existing mailing lists intact I might add), but the CGI scripts > > > are gone. As a result, requests for > > > http://my.humble.domain.org/mailman/listinfo/ go unanswered because there > > > are no CGI scripts in /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/. > > > > > > I downloaded mailman-2.0.7-1 and tried > > > # dpkg -i --force-overwrite mailmanblahblahblah.deb > > > > Have you tried > > > > apt-get install --reinstall mailman > > No luck. It still doesn't reinstall the contents of cgi-bin. > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > End of tclug-list Digest > From amy at real-time.com Tue Nov 20 12:38:53 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] openquicktime Message-ID: <20011120111646.M29930@real-time.com> i installed openquicktime but i still cannot view quicktime movies with mozilla or netscape. when i do an about:plugins, quicktime does not show up. the install gave no errors and i've restarted the browsers. something else i need to do? -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From michael at mimbach.com Tue Nov 20 13:11:38 2001 From: michael at mimbach.com (Michael J. Mimbach II) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backgrounding processes? References: <20011120103444.A9141@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <009701c171ee$9d5b8360$050b800a@mimbach2k> screen :-) Michael J. Mimbach II KC0JRE Senior RF/Network Engineer michael@mimbach.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chad C. Walstrom" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Backgrounding processes? From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Tue Nov 20 13:24:31 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Free -- Linux Journal Back Issues In-Reply-To: <20011120110840.C19536@rephil.org> Message-ID: I belong APICS here (www.apicstc.org), and they have a lending library, but want $5.00 per book to ship and only let you have it for 4 weeks. I think that's a little steep and too short a time for some books. How about having people check them out via e-mail/web and then bring them to monthly meetings/installfests unless they are willing to pay freight, then they could get them immediately. I agree, retrieving them could be a problem. Look at how long it took Yaron to get rid of the Loki games, and they were even paid for! Maybe a limit on number of books checked out at one time and public embarrassment on the list if they are out too long :) Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of phil@rephil.org |Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 11:09 AM |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org |Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Free -- Linux Journal Back Issues | | |On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 07:45:49AM -0600, James Spinti wrote: | |> If someone is willing to do the programming of a web interface and set up |> the database, I would be willing to handle the |mailing/retrieving of loaned |> items. Besides, that way I could peruse more books without having to buy |> them :) | |I feel strongly that a LUG lending library is a good deal, but you're |willing to cover postage? I think that's something you'll get tired |of. And what about recalls, overdue, lost books? | |I'm thinking about how to handle these things without letting them |become burdensome. Not that LUG members couldn't do it all on the |honor system, but someone's going to borrow a Perl book and get lost |in their coding and forget that they forgot to return it. I don't |have the answer yet, but if I think of something, I'll let you know. | |I'm not flush with free time, but if I can help with other stuff, |let me know. | |Phil | |-- |I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, |but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. |_______________________________________________ |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, |Minnesota |http://www.mn-linux.org |tclug-list@mn-linux.org |https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list | From mbresnah at visi.com Tue Nov 20 13:25:55 2001 From: mbresnah at visi.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backgrounding processes? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You didn't state that you were using a dumb terminal, but everyone that responded seemed to assume so. If you're not using a dumb terminal, I suggest switching to a different virtual console (alt-F1, alt-F2, ... alt-f8) or (better) running Xwindows and switching to a different xterm/rxvt window. The other methods are much more arcane, albeit very useful when using a dumb terminal. Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Simeon Johnston > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 7:35 AM > To: TCLUG (E-mail) > Subject: [TCLUG] Backgrounding processes? > > > I have been wondering about something lately and can't figure it out. > How do I background a process, say a kernel compile, so I don't have to > sit there and watch it i.e. log in - start process - log out - log in > later - find process done and everyones happy. > > How is this done? > > sim From simeonuj at nssmgmt.com Tue Nov 20 13:27:15 2001 From: simeonuj at nssmgmt.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backgrounding processes? Message-ID: Ah the joy's of Linux basics. Sometime I feel pretty stupid... well... most of the time. I'm assuming that I can log out of the system while this is working? What does the nohup I mostly want this for security reasons. I want to start things at night and then logout completely. Or start something and walk away knowing that someone can't just walk up and fsck things up. so... $ make dep clean bzImage > make.log 2>&1 & will background it and I'll be able to logout completely and check the log when I get back. But I only really want the errors for a kernel compile. I can't seem to find that in the man page. guess - $ make dep clean bzImage 2&>make.err ? I dunno... screen also opens some interesting possibilities. sim > If you intend to background it immediately, try this: > > make > make.log 2>&1 & > > Then you can watch it by `tail -f make.log` > > If you decide after the fact, it's not quite as clean. Hit CTRL-Z to > suspend the program then type `bg` to background the task. The output > will still stream to the screen, so you may want to close the > terminal. > If there is a problem, then you won't be able to see the error > message. > From thomas at stderr.net Tue Nov 20 13:28:41 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dell offering red hat In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0B2@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 10:59:34AM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0B2@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011120194008.G45448@io.stderr.net> On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 10:59:34AM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > Yeah, those 1500 series boxes are a steal for the price. We got a bunch of > 1550's with dual 1Ghz procs for like $1500 each. They are about twice as > fast as our old quad proc 6350's, and a good deal faster than the dual > PIII733 2450's, for a fraction of the price. The 6350's ran around $20k > each when we bought them, and 2450's ran around $7k or so. They get win2k > on them though, not linux. I'm trying to score a couple to stick some > FreeBSD lovin' to. It sure doesn't seem like you can get dual 1ghz 1550 on their website unless you get a FAIR amount of rebates. 1550 basic no extras: $1399 1GHz upgrade $99 extra 1GHz proc $599 oh yeah, nice machine with 128 MB ram (in two dimms!) that's with no-nothing installed. sheesh. *looks at what he can get for $2097 elsewhere* Dual PIII 1GHz w/ 1GB ECC sdram. 2*18GB 15K RPM scsi drives. So what do you want? Dell or something better for your money? Dell might have good customer support and exchange policy, but what does that help you when your website/network has been down for 1 day? > Does anyone know of any 2u rackmount Dual Athlon Systems? I really want to > see what kind of performance I can get out of one of those. As a webserver > (running IIS), we benchmarked an AMD 1700+ XP box with IDE and 512MB ram, > against a 1550 with dual PIII 1Ghz's and 1GB ram, and the AMD box was > actually about 40% faster serving out dynamic content (on a single proc!). so what does that tell you? Not much. Except that IIS might not work that well on SMP architechture? (Is that something somebody knos anything about?) -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Nov 20 13:30:09 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0B5@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> I don't have it in front of me, but I remember what it said: Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to find root fs on dev (03:05) Or something very similar to the above. > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Hicks [mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 10:35 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions > > > "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > > > Also, I've tried compiling reiserfs support into the kernel > also, not > > as a module. And I still have the same problem. > > Try to give us the error message.. > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ The cost of feathers has > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ risen, even down is up! > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | > mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Nov 20 13:31:50 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0B6@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> ver as a module. > > I remember having troubles with initrd and xfs as a module > and root on xfs and I have read somewhere that the rootfs has > to be linked into the kernel. And my problems dissapeared. Tried it. No workie. From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Nov 20 13:33:26 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian install In-Reply-To: <01112009542200.00476@bleys> References: <01112009542200.00476@bleys> Message-ID: <20011120123810.B9141@wookimus.net> On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 09:54:22AM -0600, Shawn wrote: > I'm going to be installing Debian stable (woody?) in the next couple > of days on my firewall/gateway machine. Dual NIC's, Pentium 120, 32MB > ram. Is there anything in particular I need to watch out for? Install the base system from the woody floppies. Woody is a minimum requirement if you want to run Linux 2.4. The reason for this is that the supporting system tools need to be upgraded from those present on potato. I.e. modutils, mount, etc. I usually go for the advanced installation option and bypass any task selection, since they will likely install software you don't want or need. Even then, I usually quit out of dselect or whatever front-end they use and get to the shell prompt. The tool to use is 'apt-get'. You probably won't have manpages installed from the base install, so you might want those. I would suggest the following: bsdutils psmisc (fuser, killall, pstree) lsof (list open files... good diagnostics) syslog-ng (nice replacement for sysklogd) logrotate (not for syslog-ng, but for other software) ssh (obvious reasons) net-tools (familiar -- if not old -- ifconfig, route, etc.) iptables iproute (ip tool -- replaces route, ifconfig, etc) manpages (optional) snort (optional) mrtg (optional) iptraf (GREAT tool) nmap (Excellent tool) mtr (a very nice tracerouting tool for the console or gui) traceroute dnsutils (for host(1), dig(1), and family) ntpdate (you likely don't need an ntp server running. ntpdate is a nice client you can set up through cron to periodically update the clock) openssh (used for ssl) oidentd (Give IRC servers fake identd responses, run from inetd) xinetd (replace netkit-inetd superserver) aide|tripwire (for diagnosing/detecting breakins) nano (very simple editor) vim (my favorite editor)* ash (a minimalistic POSIX shell, a bit more compliant than bash) cron (of course) at (I'm not sure. I remember this being a security risk...anyone?) ssmtp (very minimilistic SMTP client/sendmail nullclient replacement) exim (also small, default SMTP server for Debian) * ae(1) is installed by default and has multiple keybinding modes, including wordstar, joe, emacs, pico, and vi. Essentially, this is all you need. That's a pretty good start. Here's a tip for setting all of these up in a relatively simple and no-nonsense way. Use the following: bash# echo "echo install" | dpkg --set-selections bash# apt-get dselect-upgrade -u If you want to install a bunch of packages, so something like: bash# for i in package1 package2 package3 ; do echo "$i install" | \ bash> dpkg --set-selections; done bash# apt-get dselect-upgrade -u Or use a file: #----- BEGIN FILE (CUT HERE) ----- package1 install package2 install package3 install #------ END FILE (CUT HERE) ------ bash# dpkg --set-selections < installthesepackages bash# apt-get dselect-upgrade -u Once you have a running system, look at the manpages for interfaces(5), ifup(8), ifdown(8). The interfaces file is located in /etc/network/ and the run-parts directories (if-up.d, if-down.d, if-pre-up.d, if-post-down.d) may contain executable scripts you would like to run per event. One script I like to use is: #! /bin/sh # save my environment to a temp file set > /tmp/ifupdown-env.$$ # EOF You'll find some very useful environment variables from this. In particular: IFACE, IF_ADDRESS, IF_NETMASK, IF_NETWORK, IF_BROADCAST, IF_GATEWAY, and MODE. That allows fun scripts such as: #! /bin/sh -e # # Set up forwarding # source the config file [ -f /etc/network/my_config ] && source /etc/network/my_config EXTIF=${EXTIF:-eth0} # If the interface is the external one, continue, otherwise exit. [ "X${IFACE}X" == "X${EXTIF}X" ] || exit 0 # Set up forwarding case $MODE in start) iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -j DNAT -i $EXTIF \ -m multiport -p tcp --dports ftp,ssh,http,https --to-address $MYSVR ;; stop) iptables -t nat -D PREROUTING -j DNAT -i $EXTIF \ -m multiport -p tcp --dports ftp,ssh,http,https --to-address $MYSVR ;; esac # EOF Alternately, you can specify these in your /etc/network/interfaces directly. # /etc/network/interfaces auto lo eth0 eth1 ... iface eth0 inet static address ... ... up iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING ... down iptables -t nat -D PREROUTING ... # EOF Good luck! -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011120/4e522014/attachment.pgp From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Nov 20 13:56:05 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: help In-Reply-To: <001a01c171e9$15c07e60$050a0180@rolloutlaptop> References: <200111201721.fAKHL9T08941@sprite.real-time.com> <001a01c171e9$15c07e60$050a0180@rolloutlaptop> Message-ID: <20011120124742.P18625@ringworld.org> * Keith Page [011120 12:30]: > help via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tclug-list-request@mn-linux.org ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ !!! -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Nov 20 13:57:32 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] help Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0B7@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > help Please elaborate. :) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 11:21 AM > Subject: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #1671 - 16 msgs > > > > Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > tclug-list-request@mn-linux.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. new kernel and all reiserfs partitions (Austad, Jay) > > 2. Re: new kernel and all reiserfs partitions (Jay Kline) > > 3. dpkg override (Timothy Wilson) > > 4. Re: new kernel and all reiserfs partitions (Florin Iucha) > > 5. Free -- Linux Journal Back Issues (andy@theasis.com) > > 6. Re: new kernel and all reiserfs partitions (Jack Ungerleider) > > 7. RE: Free -- Linux Journal Back Issues (James Spinti) > > 8. Re: dpkg override (Dave Sherohman) > > 9. RE: new kernel and all reiserfs partitions (Austad, Jay) > > 10. RE: new kernel and all reiserfs partitions (Austad, Jay) > > 11. Debian install (Shawn) > > 12. Re: dpkg override (Jim Crumley) > > 13. Re: new kernel and all reiserfs partitions (Nate Straz) > > 14. Re: new kernel and all reiserfs partitions (Nate Straz) > > 15. Backgrounding processes? (Simeon Johnston) > > 16. Re: dpkg override (Timothy Wilson) > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 1 > > From: "Austad, Jay" > > To: "'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'" > > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 21:14:49 -0600 > > Subject: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions > > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > I'm trying to upgrade from Mandrake default 2.4.8 kernel to > 2.4.13. > > All > of > > my partitions are Reiserfs and mounted with the notails option. It > > works great with the default kernel, but when I boot with my new > > kernel, I get a kernel panic because it cannot find the root fs. > > > > I've tried compiling reiserfs support into the kernel, and > also tried > > it > as > > a module with an initrd image created with the --preload reiserfs > > option. I've also tried converting /boot to ext2 and that > doesn't work > > either. > > > > Does anyone have a clue why this would be happening? > > > > Jay > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 2 > > From: Jay Kline > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions > > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 22:08:50 -0600 > > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > It will most certainly not work as a module if all your > partitions are > > reiserfs. It needs to be able to read the filesystem the > modules are > located > > on, and thus the kernel must have one fs built in, which should be > > your > root > > partition (and where your modules should be). Of course, there are > > always exceptions out there, but as a general rule, thats how it > > works. > > > > As for why you can boot with an all reiserfs, I had the > same trouble > > in 2.4.11+. I have not been able to get a single build on > my system > > to boot. So here I sit at 2.4.9 and am pretty happy thus > far. I have > > heard a few > other > > strange things with the newer kernels anyway. > > > > A little off topic, but has anyone noticed the absence of a > > development branch in the kernel? As a result, it seems > more bugs have > > poped up. > > > > Jay > > > > On Monday 19 November 2001 09:14 pm, you wrote: > > > I'm trying to upgrade from Mandrake default 2.4.8 kernel > to 2.4.13. > > > All > of > > > my partitions are Reiserfs and mounted with the notails > option. It > works > > > great with the default kernel, but when I boot with my > new kernel, I > > > get > a > > > kernel panic because it cannot find the root fs. > > > > > > I've tried compiling reiserfs support into the kernel, and also > > > tried it > as > > > a module with an initrd image created with the --preload reiserfs > option. > > > I've also tried converting /boot to ext2 and that doesn't work > > > either. > > > > > > Does anyone have a clue why this would be happening? > > > > > > Jay > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -- > > Jay Kline > > list@slushpupie.com > > http://www.slushpupie.com > > -- > > question = ( to ) ? be : ! be; > > -- Wm. Shakespeare > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 22:55:27 -0600 (CST) > > From: Timothy Wilson > > To: TCLUG > > Subject: [TCLUG] dpkg override > > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > For some unknown reason (no doubt my fault), a past apt-get upgrade > produced > > a broken mailman installation. I eventually got mailman reinstalled > > (while keeping the existing mailing lists intact I might > add), but the > > CGI > scripts > > are gone. As a result, requests for > > http://my.humble.domain.org/mailman/listinfo/ go unanswered because > > there are no CGI scripts in /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/. > > > > I downloaded mailman-2.0.7-1 and tried > > # dpkg -i --force-overwrite mailmanblahblahblah.deb > > > > hoping that the scripts would get reinstalled. No luck. > > > > What's the most elegant way to get this working? I don't want to > > delete my existing lists. > > > > -Tim > > > > -- > > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com > > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org > > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 23:14:22 -0600 > > From: "Florin Iucha" > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions > > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > > > --SUOF0GtieIMvvwua > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Content-Disposition: inline > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 09:14:49PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > I'm trying to upgrade from Mandrake default 2.4.8 kernel > to 2.4.13. > > > All > = > > of > > > my partitions are Reiserfs and mounted with the notails > option. It > works > > > great with the default kernel, but when I boot with my > new kernel, I > > > get > a > > > kernel panic because it cannot find the root fs. > > >=20 > > > I've tried compiling reiserfs support into the kernel, and also > > >tried it > = > > as > > > a module with an initrd image created with the --preload reiserfs > option. > > > I've also tried converting /boot to ext2 and that doesn't work > > >either. =20 Does anyone have a clue why this would be > happening? =20 > > > > The boot doesn't matter. The root fs type has to be built in the > > kernel, not as a module. > > > > florin > > > > --=20 > > > > "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." > > > > 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 > > > > --SUOF0GtieIMvvwua > > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature > > Content-Disposition: inline > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (OpenBSD) > > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > > > iD8DBQE7+eatNLPgdTuQ3+QRAjoFAJ9dJ/v4aEsyvKTkmsvkv9r7Q3QyAgCgi8oa > > AtRiwMIt+fDDEuY704U6rvE= > > =p//G > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > --SUOF0GtieIMvvwua-- > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 02:05:37 -0600 (CST) > > From: > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: [TCLUG] Free -- Linux Journal Back Issues > > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > > > I have some back issues of Linux Journal that I need to > dump, due to > > space considerations. These include all of years 1997 > through 2000, as > > well as April, Sept, Nov, Dec 1996. > > > > I'm happy to give them away free to the TCLUG. > > > > First priority is a LUG library, if anyone is interested in > creating & > > maintaining one. > > > > Second priority is the first individual to express interest via > > private email (NOT the list), BUT... > > > > - I'd really like to part with all at once. > > - I don't want to bother with anything less than complete years. > > - You gotta come get them (at a mutually convenient location). > > > > Any that are not out of my house by about the first week of > December > > will be recycled. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Andy > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 6 > > From: Jack Ungerleider > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions > > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 06:38:34 -0600 > > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > On Monday 19 November 2001 22:08, you wrote: > > > A little off topic, but has anyone noticed the absence of a > > > development branch in the kernel? As a result, it seems more bugs > > > have poped up. > > > > > > Jay > > > > > > > Check out lwn.net for November 15. Its their lead story. > > > > > > -- > > Jack Ungerleider > > jack@jacku.com > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 7 > > From: "James Spinti" > > To: "Tclug-List" > > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Free -- Linux Journal Back Issues > > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 07:45:49 -0600 > > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > I have space here at work where I could create a library. Only > > problem is that I am in Chaska, a bit outside the beaten > path. My own > > library is a > bit > > thin, but would be willing to make it accessible as well. > I do have the > > electronic versions of O'Reilly's Networking and Basic Unix library > > (DNS & Bind, TCP/IP, Building Internet Firewalls, Unix & Internet > > Security and Sendmail on one, vi, Unix in a Nutshell, sed & > awk, Korn > > shell and > Learning > > Unix on the other), which I would be willing to make part of the > > library. > > > > If someone is willing to do the programming of a web > interface and set > > up the database, I would be willing to handle the > mailing/retrieving > > of > loaned > > items. Besides, that way I could peruse more books without > having to > > buy them :) > > > > Thanks, > > > > James Spinti > > jspinti at dartdist.com > > 952-368-3278 x396 > > fax 952-368-3255 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of andy@theasis.com > > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 1:54 AM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: [TCLUG] Free -- Linux Journal Back Issues > > > > > > > > I have some back issues of Linux Journal that I need to > dump, due to > > space considerations. These include all of years 1997 > through 2000, as > > well as April, Sept, Nov, Dec 1996. > > > > I'm happy to give them away free to the TCLUG. > > > > First priority is a LUG library, if anyone is interested in > creating & > > maintaining one. > > > > Second priority is the first individual to express interest via > > private email (NOT the list), BUT... > > > > - I'd really like to part with all at once. > > - I don't want to bother with anything less than complete years. > > - You gotta come get them (at a mutually convenient location). > > > > Any that are not out of my house by about the first week of > December > > will be recycled. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Andy > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 8 > > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 08:27:07 -0600 > > From: Dave Sherohman > > To: TCLUG > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] dpkg override > > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 10:55:27PM -0600, Timothy Wilson wrote: > > > For some unknown reason (no doubt my fault), a past > apt-get upgrade > produced > > > a broken mailman installation. I eventually got mailman > reinstalled > (while > > > keeping the existing mailing lists intact I might add), > but the CGI > scripts > > > are gone. As a result, requests for > > > http://my.humble.domain.org/mailman/listinfo/ go > unanswered because > there > > > are no CGI scripts in /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/. > > > > > > I downloaded mailman-2.0.7-1 and tried > > > # dpkg -i --force-overwrite mailmanblahblahblah.deb > > > > Have you tried > > > > apt-get install --reinstall mailman > > > > ? > > > > -- > > When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists > > have already won. - reverius > > > > Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Mr. Slippery > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 9 > > From: "Austad, Jay" > > To: "'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'" > > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions > > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 08:42:36 -0600 > > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > > The boot doesn't matter. The root fs type has to be built in the > > > kernel, not as a module. > > > > This is not true though. That's what the initrd (Initial > Ramdisk) is > > for. The initrd image is loaded into memory before the kernel, and > > when the kernel boots, it loads modules from the initrd > image (which > > is ext2, and > yes > > I have ext2 built into the kernel). Mandrake makes reiserfs as a > > module, and since it's loaded into their initrd image, I'm able to > > boot fine with it. > > > > But for some reason when compiling a new kernel, and making a new > > initrd image, I cannot boot. > > > > Jay > > > > > > > > > > > > florin > > > > > > -- > > > > > > "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." > > > > > > 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 > > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 10 > > From: "Austad, Jay" > > To: "'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'" > > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions > > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 08:53:27 -0600 > > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > Also, I've tried compiling reiserfs support into the kernel > also, not > > as a module. And I still have the same problem. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Florin Iucha [mailto:florin@iucha.net] > > > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 11:14 PM > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 09:14:49PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > > I'm trying to upgrade from Mandrake default 2.4.8 kernel to > > > 2.4.13. > > > > All of my partitions are Reiserfs and mounted with the > > > notails option. > > > > It works great with the default kernel, but when I boot with my > > > > new kernel, I get a kernel panic because it cannot find > the root > > > > fs. > > > > > > > > I've tried compiling reiserfs support into the kernel, and > > > also tried > > > > it as a module with an initrd image created with the --preload > > > > reiserfs option. I've also tried converting /boot to > ext2 and that > > > > doesn't work either. > > > > > > > > Does anyone have a clue why this would be happening? > > > > > > The boot doesn't matter. The root fs type has to be built in the > > > kernel, not as a module. > > > > > > florin > > > > > > -- > > > > > > "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." > > > > > > 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 > > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 11 > > From: Shawn > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:54:22 -0600 > > Subject: [TCLUG] Debian install > > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > I'm going to be installing Debian stable (woody?) in the > next couple > > of > days > > on my firewall/gateway machine. Dual NIC's, Pentium 120, > 32MB ram. > > Is > there > > anything in particular I need to watch out for? > > > > I plan on running IPtables on this box instead of IPchains > also. No X > > windows. > > > > I've installed Mandrake, Slackware (my typical distro), > SuSe and tried > > one instance of RedHat 6.x but not a Debian install. Just > looking for > pointers, > > pitfalls to watch out for etc. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Shawn > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 12 > > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:10:31 -0600 > > From: Jim Crumley > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] dpkg override > > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 10:55:27PM -0600, Timothy Wilson wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > For some unknown reason (no doubt my fault), a past > apt-get upgrade > produced > > > a broken mailman installation. I eventually got mailman > reinstalled > (while > > > keeping the existing mailing lists intact I might add), > but the CGI > scripts > > > are gone. As a result, requests for > > > http://my.humble.domain.org/mailman/listinfo/ go > unanswered because > there > > > are no CGI scripts in /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/. > > > > > > I downloaded mailman-2.0.7-1 and tried > > > # dpkg -i --force-overwrite mailmanblahblahblah.deb > > > > > > hoping that the scripts would get reinstalled. No luck. > > > > > > What's the most elegant way to get this working? I don't want to > > > delete > my > > > existing lists. > > > > Did you try 'dpkg -r mailman; dpkg -i mailmanblahblahblah.deb' ? > > > > Removing with '-r' the package should leave all of your > config files > > intact, so when you reinstall your lists should be ready to go. Of > > course its a good idea to be safe and backup all of the > config files > > before hand. > > > > -- > > Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group > Mailing List > (TCLUG) > > crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ > > Never laugh at live dragons |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - > http://faircopyright.org/ > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 13 > > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:21:49 -0600 > > From: Nate Straz > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions > > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 11:14:22PM -0600, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > The boot doesn't matter. The root fs type has to be built in the > > > kernel, not as a module. > > > > Not true. You just have to use an initial ramdisk (initrd) to load > > the module prior to mounting the root FS. It's the same as > if you had > > your scsi driver as a module. > > > > Nate > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 14 > > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:25:05 -0600 > > From: Nate Straz > > To: "'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'" > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions > > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 09:14:49PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > I'm trying to upgrade from Mandrake default 2.4.8 kernel > to 2.4.13. > > > All > of > > > my partitions are Reiserfs and mounted with the notails > option. It > works > > > great with the default kernel, but when I boot with my > new kernel, I > > > get > a > > > kernel panic because it cannot find the root fs. > > [...] > > > Does anyone have a clue why this would be happening? > > > > At any time were you using devfs? > > > > Just a thought, > > > > Nate > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 15 > > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:34:51 -0600 > > From: "Simeon Johnston" > > To: "TCLUG (E-mail)" > > Subject: [TCLUG] Backgrounding processes? > > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > I have been wondering about something lately and can't > figure it out. > > How do I background a process, say a kernel compile, so I > don't have > > to sit there and watch it i.e. log in - start process - log > out - log > > in later - find process done and everyones happy. > > > > How is this done? > > > > sim > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 16 > > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:37:28 -0600 (CST) > > From: Timothy Wilson > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Cc: TCLUG > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] dpkg override > > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 10:55:27PM -0600, Timothy Wilson wrote: > > > > For some unknown reason (no doubt my fault), a past apt-get > > > > upgrade > produced > > > > a broken mailman installation. I eventually got mailman > > > > reinstalled > (while > > > > keeping the existing mailing lists intact I might add), but the > > > > CGI > scripts > > > > are gone. As a result, requests for > > > > http://my.humble.domain.org/mailman/listinfo/ go unanswered > > > > because > there > > > > are no CGI scripts in /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/. > > > > > > > > I downloaded mailman-2.0.7-1 and tried > > > > # dpkg -i --force-overwrite mailmanblahblahblah.deb > > > > > > Have you tried > > > > > > apt-get install --reinstall mailman > > > > No luck. It still doesn't reinstall the contents of cgi-bin. > > > > -Tim > > > > -- > > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com > > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org > > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com > > > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > End of tclug-list Digest > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Nov 20 13:58:56 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] openquicktime In-Reply-To: <20011120111646.M29930@real-time.com> References: <20011120111646.M29930@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011120184832.6D77D4479@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 20 November 2001 11:16 am, you wrote: > i installed openquicktime but i still cannot view quicktime movies with > mozilla or netscape. when i do an about:plugins, quicktime does not show > up. the install gave no errors and i've restarted the browsers. something > else i need to do? Install all the Open stuff you want, but you still won't be able to view most of the quicktime stuff you find on the web because the Sorensen codec that say, everything at http://www.apple.com/trailers is encoded in is a closed codec. The only thing you'll really be able to use openquicktime for is older stuff and personal stuff, but I think anyone with iMovie can encode to Sorensen, so you'll see less and less of that. But most of what I run into from researchers or home or whatnot isn't quicktime, it's mpeg or DivX. If you want Sorensen under linux, go to code weavers and buy the crossover plugin. - -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org/~zibby Bender: You just think that robots are machines built by humans to make their lifes easier. Fry: Well, aren't they? Bender: I've never made anyone's life easier and you know it! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjv6pX4ACgkQ/PFCAPL3hQPjYQCfcJbbTAXmC7Th7XwytTwrS4+7 TSoAn0TrHsOY0xcezJIggc2VzH1Ne4x5 =Tecs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org Tue Nov 20 14:00:22 2001 From: josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] help In-Reply-To: <001a01c171e9$15c07e60$050a0180@rolloutlaptop> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Help with what? Joshua b. Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 http://www.greentechnologist.org On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Keith Page wrote: > help > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 11:21 AM > Subject: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #1671 - 16 msgs > > > > Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > tclug-list-request@mn-linux.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7+qdJfexLsowstzcRAj9IAKCU/t7Sw7UFKh2Yt3ihAqzLShAbqACZAeRk UaRy7A9QLL+qL+BVdORyaeA= =g4nM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jamie_seeman at securecomputing.com Tue Nov 20 14:07:59 2001 From: jamie_seeman at securecomputing.com (Jamie Seeman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Do I need "rpc.statd" Message-ID: <3BFAADCE.1B7046D9@securecomputing.com> I've been working on tightening my box down, and I was wondering what rpc.statd is and does. I found it listening on port(s): COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME rpc.statd 619 root 4u IPv4 890 UDP *:795 rpc.statd 619 root 5u IPv4 901 UDP *:1024 rpc.statd 619 root 6u IPv4 904 TCP *:1024 (LISTEN) I did a man on rpc, but didn't help much. Thanks in advance, -- Jamie Seeman Secure Computing - Test Engineer 651.628.5420 From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Tue Nov 20 14:51:55 2001 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What's up with da cookies? Message-ID: <15354.43087.575624.412816@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> I was just doing a search through the web site archive and got a cookie from search.mnogo.ru Is there any reason I should be getting russian cookies from TCLUG? R From list at slushpupie.com Tue Nov 20 15:11:55 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] help In-Reply-To: <001a01c171e9$15c07e60$050a0180@rolloutlaptop> References: <200111201721.fAKHL9T08941@sprite.real-time.com> <001a01c171e9$15c07e60$050a0180@rolloutlaptop> Message-ID: <20011120201051.TTLM7873.femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> What do you need help with? PS- when replying in digest mode, PLEASE only include the message in question, everyone already has all the messages. Jay On Tuesday 20 November 2001 11:30 am, you wrote: > help > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 11:21 AM > > > > End of tclug-list Digest > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- Your reasoning powers are good, and you are a fairly good planner. From esper at sherohman.org Tue Nov 20 15:22:25 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backgrounding processes? In-Reply-To: ; from mbresnah@visi.com on Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 12:38:07PM -0800 References: Message-ID: <20011120141857.H29106@sherohman.org> On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 12:38:07PM -0800, Mike Bresnahan wrote: > You didn't state that you were using a dumb terminal, but everyone that > responded seemed to assume so. If you're not using a dumb terminal, I > suggest switching to a different virtual console (alt-F1, alt-F2, ... > alt-f8) or (better) running Xwindows and switching to a different xterm/rxvt > window. The other methods are much more arcane, albeit very useful when > using a dumb terminal. The question did, however, specify a desire to log out. Switching VCs or using an xterm requires that the session running the command must remain logged in. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Mr. Slippery From simeonuj at nssmgmt.com Tue Nov 20 15:29:38 2001 From: simeonuj at nssmgmt.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backgrounding processes? Message-ID: It's mostly terminal/ssh stuff. Very usefull for servers and whatnot... Besides. How secure it it if I simply switch virtual consoles? A simple alt-Fx and your there. I want to be logged out of the system. I just used the nohup command and everything seems to be working. Lot's a hard drive access etc. Thanks for the help everyone. sim > You didn't state that you were using a dumb terminal, but everyone > that > responded seemed to assume so. If you're not using a dumb terminal, I > suggest switching to a different virtual console (alt-F1, alt-F2, ... > alt-f8) or (better) running Xwindows and switching to a different > xterm/rxvt > window. The other methods are much more arcane, albeit very useful > when > using a dumb terminal. From sextus at visi.com Tue Nov 20 15:30:40 2001 From: sextus at visi.com (Michael Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Do I need "rpc.statd" In-Reply-To: <3BFAADCE.1B7046D9@securecomputing.com>; from Jamie Seeman on Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 01:23:58PM -0600 References: <3BFAADCE.1B7046D9@securecomputing.com> Message-ID: <20011120142633.A10700@visi.com> ON Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 01:23:58PM -0600, Jamie Seeman wrote: > I've been working on tightening my box down, and I was wondering what > rpc.statd is and does. I found it listening on port(s): > > COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME > rpc.statd 619 root 4u IPv4 890 UDP *:795 > rpc.statd 619 root 5u IPv4 901 UDP *:1024 > rpc.statd 619 root 6u IPv4 904 TCP *:1024 (LISTEN) > > I did a man on rpc, but didn't help much. > > Thanks in advance, Did you try "man statd"? It's part of NFS. If you don't use NFS, you can turn it off. -- Michael From myok at ogzr.org Tue Nov 20 15:31:38 2001 From: myok at ogzr.org (Myok) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Do I need "rpc.statd" References: <3BFAADCE.1B7046D9@securecomputing.com> Message-ID: <000501c17202$1e1861e0$4165a8c0@here> rpc.statd is a service which supports file locking in NFS. If you're not using NFS, get rid of this service as soon as possible. It has a bad history of remote root exploits. Do a google search on "rpc.statd" and "exploit" for the gory details. -- Carl Patten ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamie Seeman" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 1:23 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Do I need "rpc.statd" > I've been working on tightening my box down, and I was wondering what > rpc.statd is and does. I found it listening on port(s): > > COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME > rpc.statd 619 root 4u IPv4 890 UDP *:795 > rpc.statd 619 root 5u IPv4 901 UDP *:1024 > rpc.statd 619 root 6u IPv4 904 TCP *:1024 (LISTEN) > > I did a man on rpc, but didn't help much. > > Thanks in advance, > > -- > Jamie Seeman > Secure Computing - Test Engineer > 651.628.5420 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Nov 20 15:32:54 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dell offering red hat In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0B2@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0B2@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011120143046.6389cc26.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > Does anyone know of any 2u rackmount Dual Athlon Systems? I really want > to see what kind of performance I can get out of one of those. As a > webserver (running IIS), we benchmarked an AMD 1700+ XP box with IDE and > 512MB ram, against a 1550 with dual PIII 1Ghz's and 1GB ram, and the AMD > box was actually about 40% faster serving out dynamic content (on a > single proc!). Well, Microway sells 1U Dual Athlons for cluster systems. But, being Microway, they'll probably charge an arm, a leg, and a chunk of your torso. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Try? Try not. Do, or do / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ not. There is no try. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011120/83930a7e/attachment.pgp From esper at sherohman.org Tue Nov 20 15:34:06 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backgrounding processes? In-Reply-To: ; from simeonuj@nssmgmt.com on Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 12:35:12PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011120143059.I29106@sherohman.org> On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 12:35:12PM -0600, Simeon Johnston wrote: > I'm assuming that I can log out of the system while this is working? Yup. > What does the nohup do? Normally, when a process's parent dies, the child receives the HUP (hangup) signal and the child then exits as well. `nohup` is basically a wrapper around the command that's called in its arguments which insulates it against SIGHUP and thus prevents it from terminating when the parent (i.e., your shell) exits. > so... > $ make dep clean bzImage > make.log 2>&1 & > will background it and I'll be able to logout completely and check the > log when I get back. Nope. Since you left out the nohup, it'll die when you log out. > But I only really want the errors for a kernel compile. I can't seem to > find that in the man page. > guess - > > $ make dep clean bzImage 2&>make.err $ nohup make dep clean bzImage 2&>make.err >/dev/null & If you don't redirect stdout, nohup will automatically send it to a file named nohup.out. The & at the end of the line is what actually puts the process in the background; nohupped programs can still run in the foreground, although that's not how it's normally used. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Mr. Slippery From esper at sherohman.org Tue Nov 20 15:41:42 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Do I need "rpc.statd" In-Reply-To: <3BFAADCE.1B7046D9@securecomputing.com>; from jamie_seeman@securecomputing.com on Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 01:23:58PM -0600 References: <3BFAADCE.1B7046D9@securecomputing.com> Message-ID: <20011120143451.J29106@sherohman.org> On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 01:23:58PM -0600, Jamie Seeman wrote: > I've been working on tightening my box down, and I was wondering what > rpc.statd is and does. I found it listening on port(s): NFS uses it. If your box is an NFS server, you need it. If not, you almost certainly don't. (Does anything other than NFS use statd?) -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Mr. Slippery From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Nov 20 15:42:39 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Free -- Linux Journal Back Issues In-Reply-To: <20011120110840.C19536@rephil.org> References: <20011120110840.C19536@rephil.org> Message-ID: <20011120143448.C9141@wookimus.net> On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 11:08:40AM -0600, phil@rephil.org wrote: > I'm thinking about how to handle these things without letting them > become burdensome. Not that LUG members couldn't do it all on the > honor system, but someone's going to borrow a Perl book and get lost > in their coding and forget that they forgot to return it. I don't > have the answer yet, but if I think of something, I'll let you know. I think James was hinting to creating a database and web interface to the TCLUG Media Exchange. Might I suggest PHP and PostgreSQL? ;-) (BTW, what's the best way to use php on the command line? I'd love to do a getopts style of application so that I don't have to rewrite my PHP scripts into another language. Otherwise, I'm dumping PHP entirely and going for mod_{python,ruby} and {Python|ruby}.) Hell, I'd even do C, just because. Anyway, procmail is definitely the shit when it comes to handling email. I used the procmail-lib/commands.rc as a template to create a bunch of email accessible command/replies. (send email to me titled "get info" to see what I mean). Anyway, as with any database or application, you can write a cron script that generates an email report to send off to the lender or the borrower. Also, this discussion of a Media Exchange intrigues me. I'm referring to it as a media exchange instead of a library for of a copule reasons: * Centralized libraries require space, staff, and management. * These requirements cost money and time. We don't necessarily want to limit ourselves to writing an application to only manage a centralized library. Instead, we could write an application to centralize the exchange of media between two parties. One party could certainly be the TCLUG Library, but why not provide a way for me, as a user, to catalog my books for use with the exchange. The application could keep track of the lenders, the borrowers, and media, and the exchanges thereof. Tables you might need for a normalized DB: Data Tables Relational Tables ------------------------- ------------------------------ contact (users) contact_address (relational) address (addresses) address_phone (relational) phone (phone numbers) contact_phone (relational) uri (URI's) contact_uri (relational) media (book, tape, etc.) contact_media (relational) media_exchange (relational) Lookup Tables ---------------------------------------------------------- contact_status (missing,active,inactive,unknown) address_category (home, work, etc) media_category (cd, tape, dvd, book, magazine, game) media_status (missing,checked out,reserved,available) exchange_status (pending,approved,declined,inroute,active) exchange_type (checkout,return,possession) If you use PostgreSQL, you can set up triggers to update many of the lookup fields for records as well as trigger email updates and reports. Joe Smith reserves the Camel Book from Jane Doe for Dec 12, 2000. INSERT INTO media_exchange (media_id, exchange_type, date, contactid_from, contactid_to, reason) VALUES (1002, 0, '2001-12-12', 234, 237); Joe Smith receives an email from the exchange on behalf of Jane with two URI's, one for approve, and one for decline. ETc etc etc...I have to get back to work now... -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Nov 20 15:56:43 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0B5@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0B5@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011120144341.D9141@wookimus.net> On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 12:37:45PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > I don't have it in front of me, but I remember what it said: > Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to find root fs on dev (03:05) > > Or something very similar to the above. This means that you haven't compiled in the filesystem support you need for your root drive. You either need to use an initrd image (of which the FS for that needs to be compiled in) that loads the needed modules to access the fs and devices, or you have to compile it in monolithically. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Nov 20 16:07:04 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Do I need "rpc.statd" In-Reply-To: <3BFAADCE.1B7046D9@securecomputing.com> References: <3BFAADCE.1B7046D9@securecomputing.com> Message-ID: <20011120151504.F9141@wookimus.net> On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 01:23:58PM -0600, Jamie Seeman wrote: > I've been working on tightening my box down, and I was wondering what > rpc.statd is and does. I found it listening on port(s): Wonder of wonders... rpc.statd(8) rpc.statd(8) NAME rpc.statd - NSM status monitor SYNOPSIS /sbin/rpc.statd [-F] [-d] [-?] [-n name ] [-o port ] [-p port ] [-V] DESCRIPTION The rpc.statd server implements the NSM (Network Status Monitor) RPC protocol. This service is somewhat misnomed, since it doesn't actually provide active monitoring as one might suspect; instead, NSM implements a reboot notifica­ tion service. It is used by the NFS file locking service, rpc.lockd, to implement lock recovery when the NFS server machine crashes and reboots. ... -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011120/ff4bfb58/attachment.pgp From amy at real-time.com Tue Nov 20 16:11:05 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] openquicktime In-Reply-To: <20011120184832.6D77D4479@slnx03.cs.umn.edu>; from zibby+tclug@ringworld.org on Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 12:48:26PM -0600 References: <20011120111646.M29930@real-time.com> <20011120184832.6D77D4479@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011120151519.A2038@real-time.com> On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 12:48:26PM -0600, Andy Zbikowski (zibby+tclug@ringworld.org) wrote: > If you want Sorensen under linux, go to code weavers and buy the crossover > plugin. thanks - i d/l the free demo and it works great. i plan to sponsor a starving mn programmer for $19.95 soon. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From jamie_seeman at securecomputing.com Tue Nov 20 16:27:28 2001 From: jamie_seeman at securecomputing.com (Jamie Seeman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Do I need "rpc.statd" References: <3BFAADCE.1B7046D9@securecomputing.com> <20011120142633.A10700@visi.com> Message-ID: <3BFACCA5.ACDA26C7@securecomputing.com> Actually, after I wrote this I actually used my brain and did a "man rpc.statd" and found pretty much what you said. I'm not using NFS, so I'll be turning it off. Thanks again, Jamie Michael Burns wrote: > > > Did you try "man statd"? > > It's part of NFS. If you don't use NFS, you can turn it off. > > -- > Michael From dante at plethora.net Tue Nov 20 16:28:35 2001 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backgrounding processes? In-Reply-To: <20011120105824.A456@knicknack.net> Message-ID: Why do so many people seem inclined to use screen when your typical Linux installation has 6(SIX!) VC's right at your fingertips. (ALT-F1 through ALT-F6) If that isn't enough and you don't want X, you can go all the way up to 24 just off the keyboard by spawning getty's or directly spawning processes on alternate VC's (another way to background it BTW). Besides, if you logout you loose the screen process so _that_ doesn't really answer his question. Using nohup (as previously mentioned and described) will do the job quite nicely, and I recall having some luck with simple backgrounding with stdout and stderr redirected. On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Eric Stanley wrote: > I've found screen to be an extremely useful tool for things like this. > screen gives you the ability to start multiple virtual terminals > within a screen session. You can then detach from the entire screen > process, leaving it running. You can reattach to the session later > from elsewhere. It is even possible to detach the session without > being on the session. > > screen is a GNU tool, so if your distro doesn't have it, you can get > it from your local GNU mirror. > > HTH, > > Eric > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 09:34:51AM -0600, Simeon Johnston wrote: > > I have been wondering about something lately and can't figure it out. > > How do I background a process, say a kernel compile, so I don't have to > > sit there and watch it i.e. log in - start process - log out - log in > > later - find process done and everyones happy. > > > > How is this done? > > > > sim -- Daniel Taylor From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Nov 20 16:29:57 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [Fw: Vendors For WU-FTPD Please Read] In-Reply-To: <20011120112819.O18625@ringworld.org> References: <20011120112819.O18625@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20011120154139.H9141@wookimus.net> On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 11:28:19AM -0600, Scott Dier wrote: > There isn't a patch released yet. It will be released December 3rd. > Move to ProFTPD. ProFTPd has problems with NIS accounts, unfortunately. I'd love to migrate from NIS, which I find as a greater security risk than Wu-FTPd. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From mbresnah at visi.com Tue Nov 20 17:02:21 2001 From: mbresnah at visi.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backgrounding processes? In-Reply-To: <20011120143059.I29106@sherohman.org> Message-ID: Note that if you are using a csh (e.g. tcsh) variant with the default settings, you don't need to use nohup. Just put it in the background and logout. Mike From thomas at stderr.net Tue Nov 20 17:03:54 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Free -- Linux Journal Back Issues In-Reply-To: <20011120143448.C9141@wookimus.net>; from chewie@wookimus.net on Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 02:34:48PM -0600 References: <20011120110840.C19536@rephil.org> <20011120143448.C9141@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20011120230557.J45448@io.stderr.net> On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 02:34:48PM -0600, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > I think James was hinting to creating a database and web interface to > the TCLUG Media Exchange. Might I suggest PHP and PostgreSQL? ;-) (BTW, > what's the best way to use php on the command line? I'd love to do a > getopts style of application so that I don't have to rewrite my PHP > scripts into another language. Why do you want to use php for the command line? it wasn't what it was created for. I agree that php has earned it's place in small to the lower end market of mediumsized applications, but what else is there for php to do? Not much in my opinion. Simple shell scripts with a combination of sed/awk seems more powerful to me on the command line, and if you're really aiming high, there's perl. Which is far superior to php on the command line. How would you do a sed-like substitute operation in php? I know there are people that don't like using perl at all, but what is easier than: perl -pi -e 's/foo/bar/g' file? Even sed needs a tmp file for doing what that snippet of perl does (in my flakey memory). Oh, you wanted a backup file? no problem perl -pi.bak -e'.. Nothing beats perl's CPAN either, what do you do if you need to add an extension to php? recompile? In perl you just download the appropriate module from CPAN and you're running. You mentioned getopt, and there is infact that in perl too, infact there are tons of different styles you can use: Getop::Long, Getopt::Mixed, Getopt::Std etc. I've laughed of people using php for shell-like scripts, and I'm not afraid to do it again! *cough* -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From poverby at megsinet.net Tue Nov 20 17:05:11 2001 From: poverby at megsinet.net (Paul Overby) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dell offering red hat References: <3BFA780F.84D2692B@megsinet.net> <20011120105338.337e90f6.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3BFAD32D.E3F4E551@megsinet.net> Good point Mike Hicks wrote: > > Personally, I could care less about desktops, but when I finally get a > laptop, I'd really like to have Linux pre-installed on it. I don't want > Microsoft's OS sales numbers to get any more inflated than they already > are. I'd rather get Linux, even if it's a crappy distro that I'll > overwrite anyway. > -- Paul Overby Poverby@megsinet.net Office: 651-686-6074 Home: 452-3233 From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Tue Nov 20 17:17:46 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backgrounding processes? In-Reply-To: <20011120143059.I29106@sherohman.org> References: <20011120143059.I29106@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20011120160816.B13924@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 02:30:59PM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 12:35:12PM -0600, Simeon Johnston wrote: > > > so... > > $ make dep clean bzImage > make.log 2>&1 & > > will background it and I'll be able to logout completely and check the > > log when I get back. > > Nope. Since you left out the nohup, it'll die when you log out. The [t]csh behavior is different - no nohup required, though you do have to redirect standard out, error, and input. $ make dep clean bzImage >& make.log References: <3BFAADCE.1B7046D9@securecomputing.com> <20011120151504.F9141@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <1006296076.3623.0.camel@titanium> On Tue, 2001-11-20 at 15:15, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 01:23:58PM -0600, Jamie Seeman wrote: > > I've been working on tightening my box down, and I was wondering what > > rpc.statd is and does. I found it listening on port(s): > > Wonder of wonders... > > rpc.statd(8) rpc.statd(8) BWAHAHAHA! That's the classiest "RTFM" I've ever seen! Chewie, you're an inspiration to BOFH's like me. Thanks for the laffs! -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Eric On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 03:36:08PM -0600, Daniel Taylor wrote: > Why do so many people seem inclined to use screen when your > typical Linux installation has 6(SIX!) VC's right at your fingertips. > (ALT-F1 through ALT-F6) > If that isn't enough and you don't want X, you can go all the way > up to 24 just off the keyboard by spawning getty's or directly > spawning processes on alternate VC's (another way to background it BTW). > > Besides, if you logout you loose the screen process so _that_ doesn't > really answer his question. > > Using nohup (as previously mentioned and described) will do the job > quite nicely, and I recall having some luck with simple backgrounding > with stdout and stderr redirected. > > > On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Eric Stanley wrote: > > > I've found screen to be an extremely useful tool for things like this. > > screen gives you the ability to start multiple virtual terminals > > within a screen session. You can then detach from the entire screen > > process, leaving it running. You can reattach to the session later > > from elsewhere. It is even possible to detach the session without > > being on the session. > > > > screen is a GNU tool, so if your distro doesn't have it, you can get > > it from your local GNU mirror. > > > > HTH, > > > > Eric > > > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 09:34:51AM -0600, Simeon Johnston wrote: > > > I have been wondering about something lately and can't figure it out. > > > How do I background a process, say a kernel compile, so I don't have to > > > sit there and watch it i.e. log in - start process - log out - log in > > > later - find process done and everyones happy. > > > > > > How is this done? > > > > > > sim > > -- > Daniel Taylor > > From john at mn.mediaone.net Tue Nov 20 19:02:26 2001 From: john at mn.mediaone.net (johndmiller) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GD library, Makefile, and ld Message-ID: I am trying to get the GD library to compile and link. Here is the error I get. I am not a C program in Linux so this is pretty much foreign to me. gcc -I. -I/usr/include/freetype -I/usr/include/X11 -I/usr/X11R6/include/X11 -I/usr/local/include pngtogd.o -o pngtogd -L/usr/local/lib -L/usr/lib/X11 -L/usr/X11R6/lib -L/usr/lib -lgd -lpng -ljpeg -lz -lfreetype -lm /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -ljpeg collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make: *** [pngtogd] Error 1 I don't know what the -ljpeg does As far at that is concern, I don't know what and of the -l???? does and how it may relate to other varibles. All help is greatly appreciated, John Miller From andy at theasis.com Tue Nov 20 19:04:30 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LUG Library (Was Re: Free -- Linux Journal Back Issues) In-Reply-To: <20011120143448.C9141@wookimus.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 11:08:40AM -0600, phil@rephil.org wrote: > > I'm thinking about how to handle these things without letting them > > become burdensome. Not that LUG members couldn't do it all on the > > honor system, but someone's going to borrow a Perl book and get lost > > in their coding and forget that they forgot to return it. I don't > > have the answer yet, but if I think of something, I'll let you know. > > I think James was hinting to creating a database and web interface to > the TCLUG Media Exchange. Might I suggest PHP and PostgreSQL? ;-) (BTW, This theorizing is all well and good, but it seems that the primary goal is to get someone who will actually make something that will do the job. PHP, perl, postgres, MySQL, Oracle...whatever. I don't care and I can't see how it matters until someone is gonna sit down and write the thing. If this degenerates into a language or DB holy war then it's never gonna happen. An adequate solution has to consider a lot of things that are independent of that debate. Far more important is figuring out how to handle the logistics (as Phil mentioned), finding someone who will make the time to develop the necessary bookkeeping tools, can be run (administered) easily on the LUG site, and ending up with something that someone else is willing and able to maintain when the original author gets bored. I have the magazines, as well as a couple books that I'm happy to donate. Since James volunteered the space, I'll work out with him how to deliver the material. I suggest that we discuss the whole problem enough to come up with some requirements and viable approaches, then leave it up to those who will commit to implementing them to decide what's easiest for them. Andy From churchid at visi.com Tue Nov 20 20:24:55 2001 From: churchid at visi.com (Dan Churchill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:15 2005 Subject: 10/100Base-T Wiring Order (was Re: [TCLUG] Co-living 100mb and 10mb ethernet) In-Reply-To: <20011119111510.E31509@wookimus.net> Message-ID: > Looking at the RJ45 with the flat-side up, end pointing away from you, > for 10/100Base-T it should be: white-orange, orange, white-green, blue, > white-blue, green, white-brown, brown. > > Crossovers are a little more tricky, but since you don't need a > crossover w/the uplink port, I'll spare you the confusion. Crossovers aren't that bad. Just switch the orange and green wires on one end of the cable (i.e. one end of the cable wired T568A and the other T568B), and voila, instant crossover cable. From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Nov 20 20:43:55 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Why not PHP? In-Reply-To: <20011120230557.J45448@io.stderr.net> References: <20011120110840.C19536@rephil.org> <20011120143448.C9141@wookimus.net> <20011120230557.J45448@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20011120201516.J9141@wookimus.net> On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 11:05:58PM +0100, Thomas Eibner wrote: > Why do you want to use php for the command line? One reason. I don't want to have to rewrite libraries that I've created. If I can't reuse something I've written with any front-end, then what use is it to me? Maybe PHP isn't right for me, period. You don't need to stand on your high-horse and sing to the choir. I was simply trying to give the whole PHP-fanatics a chance to show their knowledge in deploying their language of choice in many different environments. There's always C/C++, Python, Perl, and Java to implement libraries while still allowing for a flexible interface. Yes, PHP is designed for HTML preprocessing and templating, not unlike JSP. Perhaps, I should only think of PHP in terms of a front-end, not a back-end. Perhaps creating a application.so (ala C) to load into PHP would be far better than using PHP "include" statements. Then again... there's the binding of GTK libs to PHP. True, once again a front-end. The same is true of Python, and yes, even Perl or Java. So, why the bias against PHP. Is it simply because the notation reminds you too much of ASP? Is it because the default output for PHP is to wrap things in HTML 1.0 headers and footers? What is it exactly? -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In any case, it's all way out of my price range for the foreseeable future.... From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Nov 20 21:27:13 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backgrounding processes? In-Reply-To: <20011120172312.A1900@knicknack.net> References: <20011120105824.A456@knicknack.net> <20011120172312.A1900@knicknack.net> Message-ID: <20011120202835.K9141@wookimus.net> On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 05:23:12PM -0600, Eric Stanley wrote: > If you disconnect from your screen session and then log out, your > screen session is still running. Just log back in (from anywhere) and > reattach to the session you left running. Screen is definitely a wonderful tool, but he didn't ask a question like, "What tool can I use to make my life truely easier on the console?" (I love screen, BTW.) He simply asked how he could background a process. I'm only saying this because people seem to be giving the poor boy overkill answers. Let's see, in order to background a grep/awk script, I need to start screen, then run it, then disconnect my screen. "But what if I need to capture the log of the grep/awk script and it's greater than screen's scrollback buffers?" Screen is a wonderful console session management tool, but it did not answer the question: "How do I background a process?" OK, instead of continuing, I'm going to point you to yet another well written document: MANPAGES: bash, csh, tcsh, * Do a search for JOB CONTROL MANPAGES: nohup, (and of course) screen HOWTO's: http://www.linuxdoc.org/ http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO.html http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Adv-Bash-Scr-HOWTO/index.html http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Tips-HOWTO.html -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Still no workie. > > -- > Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie > http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr > Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD > > From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Tue Nov 20 21:29:03 2001 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GD library, Makefile, and ld Message-ID: <011120204229.236003a8@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Hi OK, here's a guess. It should be looking for a file called libjpeg.a in one of the dirs in all those dirs that are preceded with a "-L". In some implementations, the "-L" has to precede the "-l" in order to find the file, though it doesn't seem like that here. Find libjpeg.a and put it in one of those dirs (or symlink it) and try again. gcc -I. -I/usr/include/freetype -I/usr/include/X11 -I/usr/X11R6/include/X11 -I/usr/local/include pngtogd.o -o pngtogd -L/usr/local/lib -L/usr/lib/X11 -L/usr/X11R6/lib -L/usr/lib -lgd -lpng -ljpeg -lz -lfreetype -lm /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -ljpeg collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make: *** [pngtogd] Error 1 Ed Hoeffner 1-271 BSBE 312 Church St. SE Mpls, MN 55455 hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu 612-625-2115 612-625-2163 fax From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Nov 20 21:36:30 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LUG Library (Was Re: Free -- Linux Journal Back Issues) In-Reply-To: References: <20011120143448.C9141@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20011120204505.L9141@wookimus.net> On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 06:53:21PM -0600, andy@theasis.com wrote: > > I think James was hinting to creating a database and web interface to > > the TCLUG Media Exchange. Might I suggest PHP and PostgreSQL? ;-) (BTW, > > This theorizing is all well and good, but it seems that the primary > goal is to get someone who will actually make something that will do > the job. PHP, perl, postgres, MySQL, Oracle...whatever. I don't care > and I can't see how it matters until someone is gonna sit down and > write the thing. Are you volunteering? I don't have a whole lot of time, but I'm willing to add a bit of effort to help setup the database at least. I do a lot of similar jobs at work anyway. Such an application may benefit us as well, though it wouldn't be top priority. > If this degenerates into a language or DB holy war then it's never > gonna happen. For the record, when I ask a question about a particular language, such as "Can I do this?", I truely want to know ABOUT THAT LANGUAGE. I know well enough that it CAN be done in yet another language... BUT THAT'S NOT MY QUESTION! OK? Got it, people? Geeze. > An adequate solution has to consider a lot of things that are > independent of that debate. What debate? Is it wrong to use this as -- oh my, the horror -- a discussion list? Just because someone wants to be the town crier for Perl doesn't mean that we're not having a discussion. > Far more important is figuring out how to handle the logistics (as > Phil mentioned), Sounds like you've got a good handle on what these many important logistical considerations might be. Why not put your fingers to keyboard and write up your "formal proposal", because obviously, we're your "code monkeys." > finding someone who will make the time to develop the necessary > bookkeeping tools, can be run (administered) easily on the LUG site, > and ending up with something that someone else is willing and able to > maintain when the original author gets bored. > > I have the magazines, as well as a couple books that I'm happy to > donate. Since James volunteered the space, I'll work out with him how > to deliver the material. I suggest that we discuss the whole problem > enough to come up with some requirements and viable approaches, then > leave it up to those who will commit to implementing them to decide > what's easiest for them. Wow. Looks like you've already taken the initiative to coordinate things. Perhaps we can continue to use this, dare I say it, discussion list to iron out some details. Duuuuuuuuude. Like, don't put your underwear like on spin rinse while you're still wearing them. That's totally, like, creating a sucking hole of pain that's weezin' on our, like, vibe, and stuff. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Joseph Key ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Taylor" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Backgrounding processes? > Why do so many people seem inclined to use screen when your > typical Linux installation has 6(SIX!) VC's right at your fingertips. > (ALT-F1 through ALT-F6) > If that isn't enough and you don't want X, you can go all the way > up to 24 just off the keyboard by spawning getty's or directly > spawning processes on alternate VC's (another way to background it BTW). > > Besides, if you logout you loose the screen process so _that_ doesn't > really answer his question. > > Using nohup (as previously mentioned and described) will do the job > quite nicely, and I recall having some luck with simple backgrounding > with stdout and stderr redirected. > > > On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Eric Stanley wrote: > > From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Nov 20 21:55:58 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0AE@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0AE@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011120150345.E9141@wookimus.net> On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 08:42:36AM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > This is not true though. That's what the initrd (Initial Ramdisk) is > for. The initrd image is loaded into memory before the kernel, and > when the kernel boots, it loads modules from the initrd image (which > is ext2, and yes I have ext2 built into the kernel). Mandrake makes > reiserfs as a module, and since it's loaded into their initrd image, > I'm able to boot fine with it. > > But for some reason when compiling a new kernel, and making a new > initrd image, I cannot boot. You aren't, by chance, using a vanilla kernel and trying to boot a cramfs image, are you? AFAIK, the vanilla kernel cannot do this. I've tried multiple times, but I don't know all the pieces one must put together to do so. Debian's images have a cramfs-initrd patch stuffed somewhere in the *.diff. My plan was to suck the current kernel-source-2.4.12 into CVS, then do the cvs-upgrade with the vanilla source. That way the patch will live on and hopefully be corrected w/the new upstream. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Nov 20 22:23:04 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0C3@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Awww yeah.... fixed it. Mandrake sets the "Boot from board chipsets first" option in their kernel. Since I have an onboard Promise RAID chip, it "re-lettered" all of my drives to what they should be with my new kernel. Annoying. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Austad, Jay [mailto:austad@marketwatch.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 8:41 PM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions > > > > This means that you haven't compiled in the filesystem > > support you need > > for your root drive. You either need to use an initrd > image (of which > > the FS for that needs to be compiled in) that loads the > needed modules > > to access the fs and devices, or you have to compile it in > > monolithically. > > I've tried both. Still no workie. > > > > > > -- > > Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie > > http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr > > Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From thomas at stderr.net Tue Nov 20 22:24:10 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Why not PHP? In-Reply-To: <20011120201516.J9141@wookimus.net>; from chewie@wookimus.net on Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 08:15:16PM -0600 References: <20011120110840.C19536@rephil.org> <20011120143448.C9141@wookimus.net> <20011120230557.J45448@io.stderr.net> <20011120201516.J9141@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20011121044434.L45448@io.stderr.net> On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 08:15:16PM -0600, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > One reason. I don't want to have to rewrite libraries that I've > created. If I can't reuse something I've written with any front-end, > then what use is it to me? Maybe PHP isn't right for me, period. You > don't need to stand on your high-horse and sing to the choir. I was > simply trying to give the whole PHP-fanatics a chance to show their > knowledge in deploying their language of choice in many different > environments. isn't there a php user group here in the cities? (I'm sure a lot of them follow the discussion here to, but it might be targeted better there). And I'm not saying that it doesn't belong here - just stating the obvious. (http://www.tcphp.org/) I can understand your reasoning for reusing libraries (good thing!), but how often would that happen when it's two difference things you're trying to achieve? Another thing is, there are tons of scripting languages targeted for shell usage and please don't get it more bloated by introducing php scripts for system tasks either. We're going to end up with having to have both sh,bash,tcsh,perl,python, etc. for even booting your machine. I for one have been bitching for 2 years about debian relying so much on perl as it does; I've broken several boxes 'cause I =needed= something never than Debian could produce and have everything break by perl not working correctly for the code they wrote. It might be good for a development environment where you don't use perl, but if you have to do anything with perl it plain sucks. I ended up having to maintain two different sets of installs until they got it figured out so it worked at least. > There's always C/C++, Python, Perl, and Java to implement libraries > while still allowing for a flexible interface. Yes, PHP is designed for > HTML preprocessing and templating, not unlike JSP. Perhaps, I should > only think of PHP in terms of a front-end, not a back-end. Perhaps > creating a application.so (ala C) to load into PHP would be far better > than using PHP "include" statements. Has PHP lately gotten anything for templating? I sure haven't noticed and all the php code I see has those in them and that's =not= my idea of templating. Is there any real solution to templating in php where the actual content doesn't require having any code in them to call the functions? or require it to run through another script to get it processed? I sure hope JSP has a better solution to templating than what my knowledge of php's solution is. But how much processing of the HTML does PHP actually do? Not much? > Then again... there's the binding of GTK libs to PHP. True, once again > a front-end. The same is true of Python, and yes, even Perl or Java. Yes, true, but why would you want "yet another scripting language" to be on your system? I'm not even sure I'd want to do GTK stuff in perl. Maybe for rapid prototyping it's good enough, but not for something you have to give to others. I think maintaining an install of a machine is going to be so much harder if you want everything people make. > So, why the bias against PHP. Is it simply because the notation reminds > you too much of ASP? Is it because the default output for PHP is to > wrap things in HTML 1.0 headers and footers? What is it exactly? I'm a perl zealot, I can't help it. I don't see how the notation between PHP and ASP are made... I'm more thinking ASP ... JSP!!! EEEK! I hope you didn't mean HTML 1.0. For obvious reasons. -- Thomas Eibner We interrupt this transmission to bring some breaking news! It's been discovered that idiot Ben is also a dumbass! From kelly-black at attbroadband.com Tue Nov 20 22:25:19 2001 From: kelly-black at attbroadband.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Free -- Linux Journal Back Issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01112021423100.16397@edith> Gross overkill for a library system for a bunch of magazines, but hey... It fills the need! http://www.koha.org/ Kelly Black P.S. Thanks everybody for the references to screen, I forgot about that handy tool! From simeonuj at nssmgmt.com Tue Nov 20 22:26:30 2001 From: simeonuj at nssmgmt.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] new kernel and all reiserfs partitions Message-ID: arg... even I'm irritated now. How many people are going to say that it needs to be compiled into the kernel? Did you actually read the posts? MpFH..... > > This means that you haven't compiled in the filesystem > > support you need > > for your root drive. You either need to use an initrd image (of > which > > the FS for that needs to be compiled in) that loads the needed > modules > > to access the fs and devices, or you have to compile it in > > monolithically. > > I've tried both. Still no workie. > Just a thought. Are there any patches from the ReiserFS people? An update of some kind? Other than that I can't think of a reason it wouldn't work. sim From jaredburns at acm.org Tue Nov 20 22:31:14 2001 From: jaredburns at acm.org (Jared Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dell offering red hat In-Reply-To: <20011120105338.337e90f6.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> References: <3BFA780F.84D2692B@megsinet.net> <20011120105338.337e90f6.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <0ce3c44250315b1FE7@mail7.mn.rr.com> Just began my search for a laptop yesterday. I was able to "customize" a sweet laptop on Dell's site except for the fact that they insisted I choose a Microsoft OS and Office Suite. I even called them to ask if there was any way they would sell me a laptop without MS software on it. No dice. :( I'm new to the laptop universe (this'll be my first). Anyone know of anyone that will sell me a bare laptop? The only place I've found so far is www.gamepc.com - Jared On Tue Nov 20 10:53 am, you wrote: > Paul Overby wrote: > > I see Dell announced yesterday that it is offering Red hat on a couple > > of its new servers. > > > > http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/011119/192373_1.html > > That's neat, but I wish Dell didn't see Linux as a migration platform, but > rather as a `destination': > > http://www.dell.com/us/en/biz/topics/linux_linuxhome.htm > > The Register has an article on it that lines up pretty well with my > thoughts on that statement.. > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/22928.html > > (Wandering off the subject..) > > Personally, I could care less about desktops, but when I finally get a > laptop, I'd really like to have Linux pre-installed on it. I don't want > Microsoft's OS sales numbers to get any more inflated than they already > are. I'd rather get Linux, even if it's a crappy distro that I'll > overwrite anyway. From poverby at megsinet.net Tue Nov 20 22:39:06 2001 From: poverby at megsinet.net (Paul Overby) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] local Healthcare -> Consulting practices Message-ID: <3BFA99B4.CC791C8D@megsinet.net> Blue Cross Blue Shield seems to offer some very low rates. I was always very pleased with them in the past including some difficult coverages involving multiple insurance companies. Something you don't ever want to be involved in. Last time I had BC/BS was 1999. Might want to check them out. http://www.bluecrossmn.com/findaplan/awarecare.html -- Paul Overby Poverby@megsinet.net Office: 651-686-6074 Home: 452-3233 From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Tue Nov 20 22:53:42 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Free -- Linux Journal Back Issues In-Reply-To: <20011120143448.C9141@wookimus.net> Message-ID: I like it. That is what I was getting at, but it is even better with your additions. Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Chad C. Walstrom |Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 2:35 PM |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org |Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Free -- Linux Journal Back Issues | | |On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 11:08:40AM -0600, phil@rephil.org wrote: |> I'm thinking about how to handle these things without letting them |> become burdensome. Not that LUG members couldn't do it all on the |> honor system, but someone's going to borrow a Perl book and get lost |> in their coding and forget that they forgot to return it. I don't |> have the answer yet, but if I think of something, I'll let you know. | |I think James was hinting to creating a database and web interface to |the TCLUG Media Exchange. Might I suggest PHP and PostgreSQL? ;-) (BTW, |what's the best way to use php on the command line? I'd love to do a |getopts style of application so that I don't have to rewrite my PHP |scripts into another language. Otherwise, I'm dumping PHP entirely and |going for mod_{python,ruby} and {Python|ruby}.) Hell, I'd even do C, |just because. | |Anyway, procmail is definitely the shit when it comes to handling email. |I used the procmail-lib/commands.rc as a template to create a bunch of |email accessible command/replies. (send email to me titled "get info" |to see what I mean). | |Anyway, as with any database or application, you can write a cron script |that generates an email report to send off to the lender or the |borrower. | |Also, this discussion of a Media Exchange intrigues me. I'm referring |to it as a media exchange instead of a library for of a copule reasons: | | * Centralized libraries require space, staff, and management. | * These requirements cost money and time. | |We don't necessarily want to limit ourselves to writing an application |to only manage a centralized library. Instead, we could write an |application to centralize the exchange of media between two parties. |One party could certainly be the TCLUG Library, but why not provide a |way for me, as a user, to catalog my books for use with the exchange. |The application could keep track of the lenders, the borrowers, and |media, and the exchanges thereof. | | Tables you might need for a normalized DB: | | Data Tables Relational Tables | ------------------------- ------------------------------ | contact (users) contact_address (relational) | address (addresses) address_phone (relational) | phone (phone numbers) contact_phone (relational) | uri (URI's) contact_uri (relational) | media (book, tape, etc.) contact_media (relational) | media_exchange (relational) | | Lookup Tables | ---------------------------------------------------------- | contact_status (missing,active,inactive,unknown) | address_category (home, work, etc) | media_category (cd, tape, dvd, book, magazine, game) | media_status (missing,checked out,reserved,available) | exchange_status (pending,approved,declined,inroute,active) | exchange_type (checkout,return,possession) | |If you use PostgreSQL, you can set up triggers to update many of the |lookup fields for records as well as trigger email updates and reports. | | Joe Smith reserves the Camel Book from Jane Doe for Dec 12, 2000. | | INSERT INTO media_exchange (media_id, exchange_type, date, | contactid_from, contactid_to, reason) | VALUES (1002, 0, '2001-12-12', 234, 237); | | Joe Smith receives an email from the exchange on behalf of Jane with | two URI's, one for approve, and one for decline. | |ETc etc etc...I have to get back to work now... | | |-- |Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie |http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr |Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD | |_______________________________________________ |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, |Minnesota |http://www.mn-linux.org |tclug-list@mn-linux.org |https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list | From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Tue Nov 20 23:01:44 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backgrounding processes? Message-ID: >>> dante@plethora.net 11/20/01 03:36PM >>> >Why do so many people seem inclined to use screen when your >typical Linux installation has 6(SIX!) VC's right at your fingertips. >(ALT-F1 through ALT-F6) They don't work over telnet or ssh. And you can't necessarily control access to the vc when you leave unless you have 'vlock' installed and don't mind backgrounding the process. >Besides, if you logout you loose the screen process so _that_ doesn't >really answer his question. Not the "screen" that I've been using. I can start up my quake server in a screen session, detach, logout, and then later login from anywhere, attach, and see what it's been doing. It's very nice for that sort of thing. If you lost the 'screen' process, 'screen' would be considerably less useful. >Using nohup (as previously mentioned and described) will do the job >quite nicely, and I recall having some luck with simple backgrounding >with stdout and stderr redirected. He probably does want to use redirection to make sure he can have the opportunity to look over the output, and 'tail -f' the file to check progress from time to time while it is processing. For interactive (or semi-interactive) programs that don't require constant interaction, 'screen' is kind of 'nice'. ;-) Good luck, Troy From Ben at WorksCited.Net Tue Nov 20 23:15:04 2001 From: Ben at WorksCited.Net (Ben Stallings) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: Linux and Cell phones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01112010035500.08267@Romana> On Monday 19 November 2001 12:02, you wrote: > > BTW, where and how far/long are you going? Carrying everything in panniers > or fully supported? My plan is to cover the whole eastern US: south through the midwest in the fall (beginning next August), along the gulf coast in the winter, north along the east coast in the spring, and home along the lakes in the summer. I'll be alone, using a trailer to carry my things (including dress clothes, since this will be a speaking tour). Thanks for your interest -- I'll be publicizing like mad in 8 months or so! --Ben From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Nov 20 23:24:11 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Dell offering red hat In-Reply-To: References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0B2@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011120222616.V18625@ringworld.org> * Dan Churchill [011120 20:49]: > a rackmount system is the Tyan Thunder K7, Tyan wont support linux on their motherboards, however. Also, Ive used at least one Tyan mobo that wont boot 2.2.19 (Thunder i860 based board) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From dante at plethora.net Tue Nov 20 23:28:16 2001 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backgrounding processes? In-Reply-To: <006201c17239$a613c3a0$0139a8c0@tomobiki.dyndns.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Joseph Key wrote: > The big advantage of screen is you can use the terminal from anywhere. If > the remote terminal crashes and you were in screen, you can log back in and > reattach. Then pick up right where you were. Also if you have an xterm or > vc open at home running screen and you logon remotely. You can detach the > screen process from the local terminal and attach it to the remote terminal. > This is all well and good, but I am not exactly one to leave shell processes lying around to pick up later. I even (gasp) tend to log out at night when I leave work or otherwise stop using the computer for hours at a time (like sleep). I find that leaving things like editing sessions open for long periods of time discourages good habits like saving work, and CVS commits. Same goes for games, mail sessions, news sessions, web browsers &c. I know that other people tend to keep a lot of "context" in open xterms or screen sessions or emacs buffers, but I just can't understand how (or if) most of them keep it straight. -- Daniel Taylor From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Nov 20 23:29:10 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Why not PHP? In-Reply-To: <20011120201516.J9141@wookimus.net> References: <20011120110840.C19536@rephil.org> <20011120143448.C9141@wookimus.net> <20011120230557.J45448@io.stderr.net> <20011120201516.J9141@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20011120223115.W18625@ringworld.org> * Chad C. Walstrom [011120 20:47]: > So, why the bias against PHP. Is it simply because the notation reminds > you too much of ASP? Is it because the default output for PHP is to > wrap things in HTML 1.0 headers and footers? What is it exactly? On the upside PHP handles multidimentional arrays better than perl, on the downside I like how java handles object oriented things and the API's for many objects make more sense than, say, the PHP api for LDAP. Some things are great for PHP, but in some cases you really do want a great OO environs. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Nov 20 23:30:20 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] lm_sensors Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0C4@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Ok, I got it working, sorta. You need to install i2c-2.6.2 and lm_sensors-2.6.2. You MUST get the new i2c package, the stuff w/ the kernel won't work. Just install i2c first, then lm_sensors. Make sure you do a depmod -a and a ldconfig (with /usr/local/lib in your path). put this in your modules.conf: alias char-major-89 i2c-dev Then do: modprobe i2c-viapro modprobe i2c-isa modprobe it87 Run /usr/local/bin/sensors. It's getting data, including fan data. But the temps and some of the voltages appear off. It says my CPU is running at 119C, and I know that's not possible. The formulas in /etc/sensors.conf need to be changed for this implementation. Any idea what they would need to be changed to? Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Evans [mailto:gje@parrotheaven.com] > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 1:50 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] lm_sensors > > > Cool! Thanks for the info! > > -- > /* Greg Evans, Bloomington, MN., USA - gje@parrotheaven.com */ > ------------- > "Beware when you do battle with monsters that you do not > become one, and remember, > when you stare long into the abyss, the abyss also stares into you" > - F. Nietzsche > > Austad, Jay [austad@marketwatch.com] wrote: > > I just emailed Soyo, and they said the chip used on the board is the > > ite8705. The reason the adm1021 driver works is that the > chip has some > > similar functions. > > > > lm_sensors supports this chip in version 2.6.1. The module > is the it87.o > > module. If you use this one, you may be able to get your > fan stuff working. > > > > > > Let me know how it goes. I don't have time to mess with it > until later > > tonight. > > > > Jay > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Greg Evans [mailto:gje@parrotheaven.com] > > > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 4:08 PM > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] lm_sensors > > > > > > > > > in /etc/modules.conf I have the line: > > > > > > options adm1021 ignore=0,0x4e > > > > > > My sensors.conf looks like: > > > > > > chip "adm1021-*" > > > > > > # These are as advised in the data sheet > > > > > > label in0 "+2.5V" > > > label in1 "VCCP" > > > label in2 "+3.3V" > > > label in3 "+5V" > > > label in4 "+12V" > > > label in5 "VCC" > > > > > > label temp1 "SYS Temp" > > > label temp2 "CPU Temp" > > > > > > chip "adm1024-*" > > > # > > > # These settings work for me, adjust for your system > > > # > > > label fan1 "CPU1 fan" > > > label fan2 "CPU2 fan" > > > label temp "SYS Temp" > > > label temp1 "CPU2 Temp" > > > label temp2 "CPU1 Temp" > > > ignore "2.5V" # This register is also used for temp2 > > > ignore "Vccp1" > > > > > > chip "lm84-*" > > > > > > # These are as advised in the data sheet > > > > > > label in0 "+2.5V" > > > label in1 "VCCP" > > > label in2 "+3.3V" > > > label in3 "+5V" > > > label in4 "+12V" > > > label in5 "VCC" > > > > > > label temp1 "SYS Temp" > > > label temp2 "CPU Temp" > > > > > > > > > -- > > > /* Greg Evans, Bloomington, MN., USA - gje@parrotheaven.com */ > > > ------------- > > > "Freedom is more important than happiness" - Tom Robbins > > > > > > Austad, Jay [austad@marketwatch.com] wrote: > > > > Also, do you pass any options when loading the module? > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Greg Evans [mailto:gje@parrotheaven.com] > > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:47 PM > > > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] lm_sensors > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's a Soyo Dragon+. If I remember correctly I > > > > > downloaded the cvs version > > > > > of lm_sensors2. Compiled the basic i2c stuff with the > > > > > kernel, then compiled and > > > > > installed the cvs lm_sensors and did a depmod -a. modprobe > > > > > i2c-core, modprobe > > > > > adm1021, and then spent (and still spend) way to much time > > > > > trying to figure out > > > > > what to put in /etc/sensors.conf to actually get it to tell > > > > > me something useful. > > > > > So far running sensors still only tells me my cpu temp. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > /* Greg Evans, Bloomington, MN., USA - gje@parrotheaven.com */ > > > > > ------------- > > > > > "Nothing is more terrible than ignorance in action." > > > > > -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe > > > > > > > > > > Austad, Jay [austad@marketwatch.com] wrote: > > > > > > > Using the adm1021 driver I was able to get the cpu > > > > > > > temperture, but I still > > > > > > > can't figure out how to read the chipset temp, or the fan > > > > > monitors. > > > > > > > > > > > > Was this on a Soyo Dragon or Dragon+? What did you do to > > > > > get it working? > > > > > > > > > > > > Jay > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > > > > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > > > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > > > > Paul, Minnesota > > > > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > > Paul, Minnesota > > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Nov 21 00:26:04 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cmpci sound driver Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0C5@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Does anyone else use the cmpci sound module? Does you PCM adjustment in your mixer work? Mine doesn't do anything and it's annoying me. Jay From tanner at real-time.com Wed Nov 21 00:33:11 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Why not PHP? In-Reply-To: <20011121044434.L45448@io.stderr.net>; from thomas@stderr.net on Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 04:44:34AM +0100 References: <20011120110840.C19536@rephil.org> <20011120143448.C9141@wookimus.net> <20011120230557.J45448@io.stderr.net> <20011120201516.J9141@wookimus.net> <20011121044434.L45448@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20011120234009.C26949@real-time.com> Quoting Thomas Eibner (thomas@stderr.net): > Has PHP lately gotten anything for templating? I sure haven't noticed and > all the php code I see has those in them > and that's =not= my idea of templating. Is there any real solution to > templating in php where the actual content doesn't require having any > code in them to call the functions? or require it to run through another > script to get it processed? I sure hope JSP has a better solution to > templating than what my knowledge of php's solution is. But how much > processing of the HTML does PHP actually do? Not much? The ultimate template is xmlc (xmlc.enhydra.org). This totally seperates presentation (html, xml, wap, pdf) from business logic. By changing the presentation into a DOM you can maniupulate the DOM via the w3 java API. But each problem domain has its own solution. We use xmlc because we have html designers and backend programmers and xlmc makes working in "seperate" groups much easier. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From rahrenstorff at yahoo.com Wed Nov 21 00:34:00 2001 From: rahrenstorff at yahoo.com (Rodd Ahrenstorff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Co-living 100mb and 10mb ethernet In-Reply-To: <01111911061000.00470@bleys> References: <01111911061000.00470@bleys> Message-ID: <200111191801.fAJI1vT24504@sprite.real-time.com> check this: http://www.alatec.com/info/rj45.html It has comprehensive directions on network cabling. The uplink port is used to connect devices such as other hubs/switches or cable modems etc... On Monday 19 November 2001 11:06 am, you wrote: > This brings up an interesting point. I have two hubs at home, both are > 10Mbs. I was transferring files from one machine to another, and I was > getting collisions. The tranfer was fine, but I got to thinking about this. > I made my own cabling, but I don't know if I have then right or not. Could > someone either color code both ends for me? I thought it was like below: > > orange > orange-white > blue > blue-white > brown > brown-white > green > green-white > black > black-white > > Is this correct if you are looking at both cable ends with the security > clip towards you going from left to right? Also, one of my hubs is a 8 > port +bnc + 1 uplink (it's a D-link) and the other is a standard 8 port hub > (3 Com). So, would my uplink port go to port 8 of the 3Com hub? > > If someone can answer this or provide a link of proper cable making > procedures, would appreciate it greatly. > > > Shawn > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From rudie at sihope.com Wed Nov 21 00:35:22 2001 From: rudie at sihope.com (K Hinze) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dell offering red hat In-Reply-To: <0ce3c44250315b1FE7@mail7.mn.rr.com> References: <3BFA780F.84D2692B@megsinet.net> <20011120105338.337e90f6.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <0ce3c44250315b1FE7@mail7.mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <20011121000032.3ea18421.rudie@sihope.com> Funny you mention this We were discussing this the other day on #tclug I emailed Dell about this same issue, so far no response. I was assuming their answer would be as you stated, which is getting me to think. This seems to me to be monopolistic. Forcing the consumer to purchase software licenses wether or not they want to seems to me like nothing short of illegal and anticompetitive as well as possibly violating anti-trust laws. However, outside of contacting our nice Mr Mike Hatch, MN Atty General, or possibly a good corporate lawyer, I can only fume in my anti-M$ anger and wish there was a better way. Anyone know (or have strong feelings) about the legality of forcing customers to purchase M$ licenses? "I just wanna buy a damn laptop!" -Kevin On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:27:02 -0600 Jared Burns wrote: > Just began my search for a laptop yesterday. I was able to "customize" a > sweet laptop on Dell's site except for the fact that they insisted I choose a > Microsoft OS and Office Suite. I even called them to ask if there was any way > they would sell me a laptop without MS software on it. No dice. :( > > I'm new to the laptop universe (this'll be my first). Anyone know of anyone > that will sell me a bare laptop? The only place I've found so far is > www.gamepc.com > > - Jared > > On Tue Nov 20 10:53 am, you wrote: > > Paul Overby wrote: > > > I see Dell announced yesterday that it is offering Red hat on a couple > > > of its new servers. >{-- snipped to protect the touchy --} ________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Wed Nov 21 00:39:48 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FBI software cracks encryption wall Message-ID: <20011121000508.K26949@real-time.com> How will this work under Linux? Is the FBI specifically targeting Windows? Nice to know terrorists will move to linux now. :-| -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Nov 21 00:40:49 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: FBI software cracks encryption wall In-Reply-To: <20011121000508.K26949@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 12:05:08AM -0600 References: <20011121000508.K26949@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011121001127.L26949@real-time.com> Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com): > How will this work under Linux? > > Is the FBI specifically targeting Windows? > > Nice to know terrorists will move to linux now. :-| > So this thing targets your pass-phrase, outside the privacy concern, the approach is very, VERY good. Even long pass-phrases aren't immuned if they are snarf'd at the keyboard. This article makes me double check tripwire installs and rolling our SNARE ASAP. But I digress. What other options do you have for secure email? Can you tie one of the Secure-IT cards from Verisign into GPG (or any tokenizer card)? I'm not sure how the cards work, but if your getting a new token every 30 seconds won't that greatly reduce the keyboard-sniffer attack? You may still have to have a phase-phrase to make GPG work, but could you protect the pass-phrase with a token? -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From ming at mongo.evil-overlords.com Wed Nov 21 00:42:06 2001 From: ming at mongo.evil-overlords.com (ming@mongo.evil-overlords.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat 7 install problems on Compaq Server Message-ID: <200111210554.fAL5s9808331@mongo.evil-overlords.com> Just kinda curious if anyone has ever tried installing RedHat 7.1 or 7.2 on a Compaq Proliant 2500? Its kinda of funky, when i just try to go right into setup I get a err message saying I don't have enough ram. Well i try the linux mem=256M at the boot: prompt and that will cause a kernel panic cuz it can't find the root dev. So I am kinda at a loss. Oh yeah happens when I try to boot off either the CD or a boot disk. I have yet to try 7.2 but am guessing that I am going to run into the same problem. Oh well thanks. Jason From chrome at real-time.com Wed Nov 21 00:47:29 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] preserving paths in mkisofs Message-ID: <20011121002129.B12004@real-time.com> How do I get mkisofs to preserve the full path from the current directory, instead of just throwing all the files in the next set of subdirectories together? for instance: if I have ~/music/oggs, ~/music/mp3s, ~/music/misc1, ..., ~/music/miscN; and I only want to put ~/music/oggs and ~/music/mp3s on the iso; specifying it like: mkisofs -JR -o /var/tmp/foo.iso ~/music/mp3s ~/music/oggs will throw the contents of those two dirs together; whereas I want them to be separate dirs at the root of the filesystem. I could do 'mkisofs -JR -o foo.iso ~/music' and then write a really long list to exclude those dirs that I don't want, using the --exclude-list option; but in some cases it's easier to say what you want, rather than what you *don't* want. anyone have any experience with this? how did you get around the problem? Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From seg at haxxed.mine.nu Wed Nov 21 01:00:52 2001 From: seg at haxxed.mine.nu (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel inject help? References: Message-ID: <3BDFC6F9.9020206@haxxed.mine.nu> > for i in `ls kernel.*`; do > cat $i | /usr/lib/sendmail linux-kernel@lists.real-time.com; > sleep 5s; > done find . -type f -maxdepth 1 -name kernel.\* -exec cat {} \| /usr/lib/sendmail linux-kernel@lists.real-time.com \; Not sure if the escape on the pipe is right, but find is your underrated friend. From tanner at real-time.com Wed Nov 21 01:30:12 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Nixed for Linux: ILM to replace SGI w/Linux Message-ID: <20011121003244.P26949@real-time.com> http://www.cio.com/archive/111501/tl_linux_content.html Good news for some, not good news for others on this list. I'm not a SGI expert, but I have always held them in awe after seeing FOX Sports using some O2's for Superbowl. Has Linux really come that far to displace O2 and Origin servers? -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Nov 21 01:34:41 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:19 2005 Subject: Sound and Video (was Re: [TCLUG] cmpci sound driver) In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0C5@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0C5@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011121004255.B16826@wookimus.net> On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 11:25:31PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > Does anyone else use the cmpci sound module? Does you PCM adjustment > in your mixer work? Mine doesn't do anything and it's annoying me. I believe I have one of those chipsets built-in on the mobo, but I disabled it in favor of my cheap (supported) Ensonic 1371 chipset. Maybe one of these days I'll find it necessary to buy a nice sound card... Na. Video over sound any day. Speaking of which, what's the concensus on the best overall AGP, mid-range, accelerated, open driver supported video card? Is ATI playing nicely these days, or does NVIDIA hold the market w/their closed-code X drivers? -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You could easily find ways to pipe in the passphrase through /dev/ttyS*, /dev/psaux (an X keyboard app), etc. -- Michael From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Nov 21 02:31:56 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Nixed for Linux: ILM to replace SGI w/Linux In-Reply-To: <20011121003244.P26949@real-time.com> References: <20011121003244.P26949@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011121013637.C16826@wookimus.net> On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 12:32:44AM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > http://www.cio.com/archive/111501/tl_linux_content.html > > Good news for some, not good news for others on this list. > > I'm not a SGI expert, but I have always held them in awe after seeing FOX Sports > using some O2's for Superbowl. > > Has Linux really come that far to displace O2 and Origin servers? I can't tell you how happy I'll be when I can get rid of the SGI O2's and Origin's in the IMA! -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011121/900bcbd3/attachment.pgp From fertch at mninter.net Wed Nov 21 06:20:47 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] local Healthcare -> Consulting practices In-Reply-To: <3BFA99B4.CC791C8D@megsinet.net> References: <3BFA99B4.CC791C8D@megsinet.net> Message-ID: <01112106380900.01063@bleys> On Tuesday 20 November 2001 11:58, Paul Overby wrote: > Blue Cross Blue Shield seems to offer some very low rates. > > I was always very pleased with them in the past including some difficult > coverages involving multiple insurance companies. Something you don't > ever want to be involved in. Last time I had BC/BS was 1999. > > Might want to check them out. > > http://www.bluecrossmn.com/findaplan/awarecare.html Not to sound harsh, but I've never had any good experience with BC/BS (the last two a very decriptive of them, because they are BS!). If you're a single employee, or a group of employees in a small company I'd recommend looking around. My wife was on BC/BS in a small company (less than 50). We were paying almost $400 a month for a family of 3. On top of that, we had 20/80 coverage. BC/BS would pay 20% and we'd get nailed with the rest because they would claim they don't cover those services. Not to mention you have to be referred for just about anything from your regular doctor. Regardless of the company one recommends, someone will always have a bad experience. Mine was downright awful, so I won't ever deal with them again if possible. Where I work, we use Medica Choice. So far, one of the best plans I've ever been under. Shawn From andy at theasis.com Wed Nov 21 07:59:00 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LUG Library (Was Re: Free -- Linux Journal Back Issues) In-Reply-To: <20011120204505.L9141@wookimus.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > Sounds like you've got a good handle on what these many important > logistical considerations might be. Why not put your fingers to > keyboard and write up your "formal proposal", because obviously, we're > your "code monkeys." *My* code monkeys? _I_ don't need any code. Nor do _I_ need LUG library. Silly me, I thought making some literature available would be a benefit to some LUG members, and that some might be willing to actually step forward and DO something to facilitate it. Instead, the response is a sarcasm-filled flame prompted by my suggestion that we direct the discussion on the original thread to actually accomplishing something. I'm sure you're capable of building a kickass application without actually knowing ahead of time what it is. I'm just sorry it was too much effort for you to take that tangent to another thread. I WAS intending to donate a lot of material that I had on hand -- a few dozen books beyond the stack of magazines that prompted my first note -- as well as several thousand dollars worth of books in the near future that I normally turn down from authors and editors whom I know. But you've single-handedly thwarted my selfish plan, thanks to your need to saturate the issue with piss & vinegar. But by all means, don't let that stop you from exercising your right to discuss. Andy From markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net Wed Nov 21 08:22:07 2001 From: markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:19 2005 Subject: e-bay offering UNICOS, was [TCLUG] Dell offering red hat References: Message-ID: <000701c17291$6059b240$1e02a8c0@zippy> For all you Cray lovers in the house . . . If you want unicos installed on your new computer you might try this: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1298159393 And you can use it to heat your house in those long minnesota winters. But does it run Red Hat? Mark Browne From jshawley at sgi.com Wed Nov 21 08:58:03 2001 From: jshawley at sgi.com (Jeremy Shawley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Nixed for Linux: ILM to replace SGI w/Linux In-Reply-To: <20011121013637.C16826@wookimus.net> References: <20011121003244.P26949@real-time.com> <20011121013637.C16826@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <200111211412.fALEC8413485990@nodin.corp.sgi.com> On Wednesday 21 November 2001 01:36, you wrote: Can you give some reasons why you will be happy when they will be gone? I hope you can come up with something better than "It doesn't run linux". If you are going to say things like this, please make some justifications. The fact is that IRIX is an incredable OS, it does have it's issues, but what OS doesn't. If I was in a business position, I would choose IRIX over linux in just about every case. And talk about some amazing hardware. If anyone on this list has ever seen a 1024 processor Origin 3800, you know what I mean. I don't see linux scaling to 1024 processors as a single image system, hell I don't even see solaris doing that. At anyrate, just have the decency to give some justification to your argument, as far as we know, you are just a really bad sysadmin and don't know how to admin the systems. > On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 12:32:44AM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > > http://www.cio.com/archive/111501/tl_linux_content.html > > > > Good news for some, not good news for others on this list. > > > > I'm not a SGI expert, but I have always held them in awe after seeing FOX > > Sports using some O2's for Superbowl. > > > > Has Linux really come that far to displace O2 and Origin servers? > > I can't tell you how happy I'll be when I can get rid of the SGI O2's > and Origin's in the IMA! From tmechanic at mn.mediaone.net Wed Nov 21 09:19:07 2001 From: tmechanic at mn.mediaone.net (BT) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LUG Library (Was Re: Free -- Linux Journal Back Issues) References: Message-ID: <3BFBBA36.AB945EF6@mn.mediaone.net> Well Andy if nobody else wants any I can probably take some of those books off your hands, heck I'll even drive down there and get them. andy@theasis.com wrote: > On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > > Sounds like you've got a good handle on what these many important > > logistical considerations might be. Why not put your fingers to > > keyboard and write up your "formal proposal", because obviously, we're > > your "code monkeys." > > *My* code monkeys? _I_ don't need any code. Nor do _I_ need LUG library. > > Silly me, I thought making some literature available would be a benefit to > some LUG members, and that some might be willing to actually step forward > and DO something to facilitate it. Instead, the response is a > sarcasm-filled flame prompted by my suggestion that we direct the > discussion on the original thread to actually accomplishing something. I'm > sure you're capable of building a kickass application without actually > knowing ahead of time what it is. I'm just sorry it was too much effort > for you to take that tangent to another thread. > > I WAS intending to donate a lot of material that I had on hand -- a few > dozen books beyond the stack of magazines that prompted my first note -- > as well as several thousand dollars worth of books in the near future that > I normally turn down from authors and editors whom I know. But you've > single-handedly thwarted my selfish plan, thanks to your need to saturate > the issue with piss & vinegar. > > But by all means, don't let that stop you from exercising your right to > discuss. > > Andy > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rsinland at gvtel.com Wed Nov 21 09:26:49 2001 From: rsinland at gvtel.com (Robert Sinland) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 8.1 Message-ID: <3BFBBFF9.57140E6@gvtel.com> Got a few more quick (I hope) questions. Now that I have the modem thing figured out... Mandrake 8.1 comes with Tux Racer right? But how does one configure the system to actually run and play the game? Use Xfree 4.? or 3.? or 3.? accelerated? I was thinking one should be able to do this without doing any extra d/l's, might be an error on my part. For general information my monitor is a CTX model VL700 (linux seems to always think it's something else) Graphics card 3d Prophet II MX by Hercules (Guillemot) and should be an Nvidia Gforce II (I assumed) I messed around and did get it to run once, or at least the opening screen, then it died. Then started messing with the video settings in Harddrake till I manged to kill off X alltogether :) Must be an easier way... I was allmost ready to order the Mandrake gamers edition, but at $89.00 it had better work better then this... Back to trial and error ... Any suggestions welcome, and BTW I have all 3 Mandrake CD's burned from ISO's. RS From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Nov 21 09:27:50 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: FBI software cracks encryption wall Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0C7@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > What other options do you have for secure email? Can you tie > one of the Secure-IT cards from Verisign into GPG (or any > tokenizer card)? I've been wondering this lately also. My new board came with a smartcard reader that sits in a 3.5" drive bay. I'd like to be able to use it for something cool. :) From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Nov 21 09:32:18 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Nixed for Linux: ILM to replace SGI w/Linux Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0C8@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > Has Linux really come that far to displace O2 and Origin servers? Linux cannot replace the sweet look of the little toaster shaped O2's. :) > > -- > Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From simeonuj at nssmgmt.com Wed Nov 21 09:35:17 2001 From: simeonuj at nssmgmt.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Nixed for Linux: ILM to replace SGI w/Linux Message-ID: That's too bad. I personally hate IRIX but that hardware is just beautiful. Brings a tear to the eye just thinking of the power... > Good news for some, not good news for others on this list. > > I'm not a SGI expert, but I have always held them in awe after seeing > FOX Sports > using some O2's for Superbowl. > > Has Linux really come that far to displace O2 and Origin servers? > Replacing IRIX - Yes IMHO. Replacing the hardware - Well... I dunno. sim From tanner at real-time.com Wed Nov 21 09:42:55 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Nixed for Linux: ILM to replace SGI w/Linux In-Reply-To: <20011121013637.C16826@wookimus.net>; from chewie@wookimus.net on Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 01:36:37AM -0600 References: <20011121003244.P26949@real-time.com> <20011121013637.C16826@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20011121085250.B11178@real-time.com> Quoting Chad C. Walstrom (chewie@wookimus.net): > > I'm not a SGI expert, but I have always held them in awe after seeing FOX > > Sports using some O2's for Superbowl. > > I can't tell you how happy I'll be when I can get rid of the SGI O2's > and Origin's in the IMA! Really? Care to share? -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Nov 21 09:43:54 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:20 2005 Subject: Sound and Video (was Re: [TCLUG] cmpci sound driver) Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0C9@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > I believe I have one of those chipsets built-in on the mobo, > but I disabled it in favor of my cheap (supported) Ensonic > 1371 chipset. Maybe one of these days I'll find it necessary > to buy a nice sound card... Na. Video over sound any day. > Speaking of which, what's the concensus on the best overall > AGP, mid-range, accelerated, open driver supported video > card? Is ATI playing nicely these days, or does NVIDIA hold > the market w/their closed-code X drivers? Mine's built in on the board, and sounds great. But my stupid PCM adjustment doesn't work. It may have something to do with devfs though. I just bought an Abit Geforce2 T-400 from mwave.com for $82. Tv out, 200Mhz Ramdac, 64M ram. Sweet card. It gets 1772 FPS in gears. :) I could care less about Nvidia's driver license. The fact is, they've provided the drivers, and the source so you don't have to wait for a binary, and they work great. Jay > > -- > Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie > http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr > Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD > > From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Wed Nov 21 10:11:56 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] preserving paths in mkisofs In-Reply-To: <20011121002129.B12004@real-time.com> References: <20011121002129.B12004@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011121092306.A14750@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 12:21:34AM -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > How do I get mkisofs to preserve the full path from the current directory, > instead of just throwing all the files in the next set of subdirectories > together? > > for instance: > if I have ~/music/oggs, ~/music/mp3s, ~/music/misc1, ..., ~/music/miscN; and > I only want to put ~/music/oggs and ~/music/mp3s on the iso; specifying it > like: > mkisofs -JR -o /var/tmp/foo.iso ~/music/mp3s ~/music/oggs > will throw the contents of those two dirs together; whereas I want them to > be separate dirs at the root of the filesystem. > > I could do 'mkisofs -JR -o foo.iso ~/music' and then write a really long > list to exclude those dirs that I don't want, using the --exclude-list > option; but in some cases it's easier to say what you want, rather than what > you *don't* want. > > anyone have any experience with this? how did you get around the problem? The way I get around this problem is create a temporary directory, and then symbolically link the directories that I want into it. So you do something like: # mkdir target ; ln -s ~/music/oggs ~/music/mp3s target # mkisofs -JR -o /var/tmp/foo.iso target Its kind of kludgy, but its more flexible than using excludes. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://faircopyright.org/ From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Nov 21 10:16:10 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 8.1 Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0CB@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> You should probably download the drivers from nvidia.com and install those. The default nvidia drivers with Mandrake are fairly limited in what they can do. Plus, with an MX or higher card, you can turn on hardware rendered cursor shadowing. :) There's a readme at the bottom of the driver download page that tells you how to install it. I just grabbed the source rpm's and did an rpm --rebuild on each one. Then install the compiled rpms with rpm -ivh (they are located in /usr/src/RPM/RPMS/i686). Then you change the driver line in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 from "nv" to "nvidia". Add the "glx" module to the module section and remove the line for "dri" if it's in there. Restart X with ctrl-alt-backspace. Hopefully you'll see the nvidia logo screen flash when it starts up. The driver that comes with mandrake for geforce cards has sucky 3d support. > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Sinland [mailto:rsinland@gvtel.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 8:54 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 8.1 > > > Got a few more quick (I hope) questions. > Now that I have the modem thing figured out... > Mandrake 8.1 comes with Tux Racer right? > But how does one configure the system to actually run and > play the game? > > Use Xfree 4.? or 3.? or 3.? accelerated? > I was thinking one should be able to do this without doing > any extra d/l's, might be an error on my part. For general > information my monitor is a CTX model VL700 (linux seems to > always think it's something else) Graphics card 3d Prophet > II MX by Hercules (Guillemot) and should be an Nvidia Gforce > II (I assumed) > I messed around and did get it to run once, or at least the > opening screen, then it died. Then started messing with the > video settings in Harddrake till I manged to kill off X > alltogether :) Must be an easier way... I was allmost ready > to order the Mandrake gamers edition, but at $89.00 it had > better work better then this... Back to trial and error ... > Any suggestions welcome, and BTW I have all 3 Mandrake CD's > burned from ISO's. RS > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Wed Nov 21 10:23:51 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] preserving paths in mkisofs In-Reply-To: <20011121092306.A14750@gordo.space.umn.edu> References: <20011121002129.B12004@real-time.com> <20011121092306.A14750@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011121095618.A14865@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 09:23:06AM -0600, Jim Crumley wrote: > On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 12:21:34AM -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > I could do 'mkisofs -JR -o foo.iso ~/music' and then write a really long > > list to exclude those dirs that I don't want, using the --exclude-list > > option; but in some cases it's easier to say what you want, rather than what > > you *don't* want. > > > > anyone have any experience with this? how did you get around the problem? > > The way I get around this problem is create a temporary > directory, and then symbolically link the directories that I want > into it. So you do something like: > # mkdir target ; ln -s ~/music/oggs ~/music/mp3s target > # mkisofs -JR -o /var/tmp/foo.iso target Oops, of course you then need to follow links for this to work. # mkisofs -JRf -o /var/tmp/foo.iso target -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://faircopyright.org/ From fertch at mninter.net Wed Nov 21 10:31:52 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Co-living 100mb and 10mb ethernet In-Reply-To: <200111191801.fAJI1vT24504@sprite.real-time.com> References: <01111911061000.00470@bleys> <200111191801.fAJI1vT24504@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <01112110265900.01455@bleys> On Monday 19 November 2001 12:01, Rodd Ahrenstorff wrote: > check this: http://www.alatec.com/info/rj45.html > > It has comprehensive directions on network cabling. > > The uplink port is used to connect devices such as other hubs/switches or > cable modems etc... I've got the cabling part printed out. I was wondering as to uplink port going to another hub as to the specific port. I thought I recalled reading somewhere that typically you go from the last port to the first on the next hub. However, someone mentioned that it doesn't matter the port to which I uplink to. Thanks. Shawn From tl at assimilated.org Wed Nov 21 10:33:06 2001 From: tl at assimilated.org (Tim Lupfer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LUG Library (Was Re: Free -- Linux Journal Back Issues) In-Reply-To: References: <20011120204505.L9141@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20011121092810.C1508@assimilated.org> >>>>> andy@theasis.com [Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 08:07:35AM -0600]: > I WAS intending to donate a lot of material that I had on hand -- > a few dozen books beyond the stack of magazines that prompted my > first note -- as well as several thousand dollars worth of books > in the near future that I normally turn down from authors and > editors whom I know. But you've single-handedly thwarted my > selfish plan, thanks to your need to saturate the issue with piss > & vinegar. I hate to keep this thread going... BUT, I must say that it seems rather silly to let one person's negative feedback thwart such a grandiose dream. I'll bet Hitler didn't listen to his skeptics when they gave him negative feedback on his entire genocide thing. (please note that I'm only trying to kill this thread, I'm not making any personal implications). -- timothy r. lupfer tl@assimilated.org Familiarity breeds contempt--and children. -- Mark Twain -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 226 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011121/e5b69944/attachment.pgp From jwanderson at uswest.net Wed Nov 21 10:34:31 2001 From: jwanderson at uswest.net (Jay W. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FBI software cracks encryption wall In-Reply-To: <20011121000508.K26949@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200111211541.fALFfBT28943@sprite.real-time.com> Was there a link to something that I missed? Jay On 21 Nov 01, at 0:05, Bob Tanner wrote: Subject: [TCLUG] FBI software cracks encryption wall > How will this work under Linux? > > Is the FBI specifically targeting Windows? > > Nice to know terrorists will move to linux now. :-| > From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Nov 21 10:35:50 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] preserving paths in mkisofs Message-ID: Carl, I think it is something like: mkisofs -JR -o /var/tmp/foo.iso \ /mp3s=~/music/mp3s \ /oggs=~/music/oggs >>> chrome@real-time.com 11/21/01 12:21AM >>> How do I get mkisofs to preserve the full path from the current directory, instead of just throwing all the files in the next set of subdirectories together? for instance: if I have ~/music/oggs, ~/music/mp3s, ~/music/misc1, ..., ~/music/miscN; and I only want to put ~/music/oggs and ~/music/mp3s on the iso; specifying it like: mkisofs -JR -o /var/tmp/foo.iso ~/music/mp3s ~/music/oggs will throw the contents of those two dirs together; whereas I want them to be separate dirs at the root of the filesystem. I could do 'mkisofs -JR -o foo.iso ~/music' and then write a really long list to exclude those dirs that I don't want, using the --exclude-list option; but in some cases it's easier to say what you want, rather than what you *don't* want. anyone have any experience with this? how did you get around the problem? Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Nov 21 10:54:47 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel inject help? In-Reply-To: <3BDFC6F9.9020206@haxxed.mine.nu> References: <3BDFC6F9.9020206@haxxed.mine.nu> Message-ID: <1006358306.1433.0.camel@titanium> On Wed, 2001-10-31 at 03:40, Callum Lerwick wrote: > find . -type f -maxdepth 1 -name kernel.\* -exec cat {} \| > /usr/lib/sendmail linux-kernel@lists.real-time.com \; find . -type f -maxdepth 1 -name "kernel.*" -exec cat {} \| /usr/lib/sendmail linux-kernel@lists.real-time.com \; That's how I would do it. > > Not sure if the escape on the pipe is right, but find is your underrated > friend. > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011121/95ad3523/attachment.pgp From mbutler2 at mmm.com Wed Nov 21 11:02:38 2001 From: mbutler2 at mmm.com (mbutler2@mmm.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Nixed for Linux: ILM to replace SGI w/Linux Message-ID: I have to agree with a lot of what Jeremy is saying here- After reading the article, it looks as though Hendrickson is a bit of an Intel bigot, he even goes on about how much of a travesty it is that SGI doesn't have an Intel chip in their lineup, and how that is, somehow, their downfall. For being an "R-n-D" guy, he sure seems a bit commodity based, he seems much more motivated by the savings here than the performance. Can he tell me why the NSA and many other large industries, (Pixar, GM, Ford, etc.) that do large scale graphical models and put a LOT of time and money into visualization are still using the SGIs? ILM is feeling the squeeze like anyone, and they need to make changes to suit their interests, and they need to make those changes look good, despite what the internal motivations in the company might be. Maybe they found some miracle in Linux tha tdoes what their SGIs can't, but I doubt that, I think it looks more like a monetarily motivated move, and that is fine. I also have every confidence that they'll still use SGI in some capacity, there are some things you just can't do elsewhere. In all, I think that if ILM is making a choice for the bottom line, good for them, I like the Effects, and I'm a HUGE Harry Potter fan, if this makes the next movie even better, I'll jump for joy, but if it's purely based on technology and is a pure R and D decision, I have to wonder who is doing their R and D, maybe I need to get out my resume... Regardless, I'm eager to see what happens here, you have a number of people working in a specialized environ on a given set of tools for a long period of time, now you're changing that, how do you think they're going to react? Will this effect their work? After all, it's not like your changing their file server, this is what they work on everyday..... donning flame resistant pajamas (oof!), mbutler On Wednesday 21 November 2001 01:36, jshawley wrote: Can you give some reasons why you will be happy when they will be gone? I hope you can come up with something better than "It doesn't run linux". If you are going to say things like this, please make some justifications. The fact is that IRIX is an incredable OS, it does have it's issues, but what OS doesn't. If I was in a business position, I would choose IRIX over linux in just about every case. And talk about some amazing hardware. If anyone on this list has ever seen a 1024 processor Origin 3800, you know what I mean. I don't see linux scaling to 1024 processors as a single image system, hell I don't even see solaris doing that. From poverby at megsinet.net Wed Nov 21 11:13:56 2001 From: poverby at megsinet.net (Paul Overby) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mircosoft settlement option Message-ID: <3BFBD3E5.74A365B3@megsinet.net> Microsoft Aims to Settle Suits by Equipping 12,500 Schools Anyone else think this seems a little self serving? http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/21/technology/21SOFT.html?todaysheadlines -- Paul Overby Poverby@megsinet.net Office: 651-686-6074 Home: 452-3233 From rsinland at gvtel.com Wed Nov 21 11:18:30 2001 From: rsinland at gvtel.com (Robert Sinland) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Nixed for Linux: ILM to replace SGI w/Linux References: Message-ID: <3BFBD9C9.4A4D3DF2@gvtel.com> Simeon Johnston wrote: > > That's too bad. I personally hate IRIX but that hardware is just > beautiful. > Brings a tear to the eye just thinking of the power... > > > Good news for some, not good news for others on this list. > > > > I'm not a SGI expert, but I have always held them in awe after seeing > > FOX Sports > > using some O2's for Superbowl. > > > > Has Linux really come that far to displace O2 and Origin servers? > > > Replacing IRIX - Yes IMHO. > Replacing the hardware - Well... I dunno. > > sim I'm pretty much with you as an SGI owner, but what you may not be aware of is that SGI has been using Intell stuff in it's more recent machines. Makes you wonder if they sold out and then lost.... Just a thought... RS From peter-clark at tides.com Wed Nov 21 11:19:30 2001 From: peter-clark at tides.com (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anyone willing to burn SuSE for me? Message-ID: <200111211644.fALGidw35994@pimout3-int.prodigy.net> My father-in-law is in town for the next two weeks and wants to try out the latest SuSE. Since I don't have a.) high bandwidth or b.) a cd-burner, is there some kind soul willing to burn a copy for me? I've got a couple of blank cds for payment. Please reply off list (preferred address: pc451@yahoo.com). TIA, :Peter From simeonuj at nssmgmt.com Wed Nov 21 11:27:11 2001 From: simeonuj at nssmgmt.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Co-living 100mb and 10mb ethernet Message-ID: > I've got the cabling part printed out. I was wondering as to uplink > port > going to another hub as to the specific port. I thought I recalled > reading > somewhere that typically you go from the last port to the first on the > next > hub. However, someone mentioned that it doesn't matter the port to > which I > uplink to. > It does kinda matter. On the hub your trying to uplink it needs to be in the uplink port (usually first or last. probably labeled). On the hub your trying to uplink to it does not matter. sim From amy at real-time.com Wed Nov 21 11:31:43 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mp3 encoders Message-ID: <20011121105216.X2038@real-time.com> What does everyone prefer for mp3 encoders these days? -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From simeonuj at nssmgmt.com Wed Nov 21 11:33:05 2001 From: simeonuj at nssmgmt.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LUG Library (Was Re: Free -- Linux Journal Back Issues) Message-ID: Yes. Share the love dude. > Well Andy if nobody else wants any I can probably take some of those > books off > your hands, heck I'll even drive down there and get them. > > andy@theasis.com wrote: > > > On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > > > Sounds like you've got a good handle on what these many important > > > logistical considerations might be. Why not put your fingers to > > > keyboard and write up your "formal proposal", because obviously, > we're > > > your "code monkeys." > > > > *My* code monkeys? _I_ don't need any code. Nor do _I_ need LUG > library. > I had a code orangutan once. It was sooo cute... sim Is it just me or did this thread take a serious nozedive. From chrome at real-time.com Wed Nov 21 11:34:08 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Nixed for Linux: ILM to replace SGI w/Linux In-Reply-To: <20011121013637.C16826@wookimus.net>; from chewie@wookimus.net on Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 01:36:37AM -0600 References: <20011121003244.P26949@real-time.com> <20011121013637.C16826@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20011121104036.B12815@real-time.com> > I can't tell you how happy I'll be when I can get rid of the SGI O2's > and Origin's in the IMA! just leave them on a certain loading dock at a certain time of the early morning, and I'm sure it can be arranged that you don't see them again. :) as for Irix, after playing with it for a few hours, my thoughts so far are: pro: - scales *really* well. (the aforementioned 1024-processor box...) - has some decent idiot tools for administration - has really amazing graphics stuff built on top of it - 'inst' actually looks like a halfway decent package manager. - has a Logical Volume Manager (no idea how it compares to linux LVM) con: - security is a secondary concern. the fact that system accounts are shipped by default with no password, just means that it's intended for knowlegeable administrators who change all these things before installing the machine on the network. the fact that when you create accounts (at least with the GUI tool), the default is to make them passwordless (no password needed to access), is awfully dubious. does TrustedIRIX do this differently by default? also, it doesn't ship with SSH. - user command line tools are horribly neglected. AFAIK, no shell that it ships with, has command completion (certainly not by default). decisions like this are what has given UNIX and the command-line a bad name. the GNU command-line utils blow these (and any other commercial UNIX's) out of the water. - filesystem standard, like most commercial unices (unixii?), has grown organically over the years, and is not well-organized. IMHO, Irix's layout is cruftier than most. ideas like '/usr/freeware' and '/usr/people/' are just wrong. one of the things that I *really* liked about linux when I first saw it; was how reasonably-organized the filesystem layout was. - a simple installation of it, takes up nearly 800MB. that's GUI, compiler, and a lot of user tools. - (more of a hardware issue) that fancy graphics hardware does *so much* in hardware, that flexibility is compromised. a single graphics 'pipe' (which may be multiple monitors) is limited to 8 million pixels in its framebuffer; and no more than 3840 pixels in any one direction (horizontal or vertical). my desktop at home is wider than that (4320 pixels); and IBM now has a single monitor that requires a graphics card capable of 9.2 million pixels. I know my biases show here (certainly based on the quantity of cons vs. pros); but I would like to say that I don't see anything fundamentally *wrong* with the Irix kernel itself (at least not yet); it's just that the tools associated with it, require much more effort to get work done, than the tools usually associated with the Linux kernel. also, I'd like to point out that whatever the shortcomings of the OS are; the hardware is *really kickass*. I've got an Indigo2 on the desk at work next to me; and even though it was built in 1993, it blows away most boxes I ever touched all the way up to 1999. having seen the 1024-processor Origin in SGI's basement (thanks guys!); I'm truly amazed at it. I think that possibly by Linux 2.6, we may be able to boot Linux on 1024 processors. I doubt that it will scale as well as Irix tho. maybe by the next stable release, we'll have something that comes close, tho. (I think HP's pluggable scheduler technology for Linux will make this a lot easier). of course, by that time (~4 years at the current pace of things) we'll be able to build a 1024-proc box in our basements, with off-the-shelf PC technology (see the recent slashdot article on high-speed interconnect technology). :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From jondavid at mn.rr.com Wed Nov 21 11:45:58 2001 From: jondavid at mn.rr.com (j0dA) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LUG Library (Was Re: Free -- Linux Journal Back Issues) In-Reply-To: <3BFBBA36.AB945EF6@mn.mediaone.net> References: <3BFBBA36.AB945EF6@mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <085b202581615b1FE3@mail3.mn.rr.com> aloha- this being my first post, as as a totally green linux user (the amount of experience on this list is really, really impresive btw, i read some bios :) i'm drooling over the proposition of getting my paws on as much lit/code as possible. part of the reason i'm getting into open source is that the community surrounding it seems genuinely receptive, friendly, and helpful. so, andy, i'd be more than happy to help out in any way i can with the organization of a resource repository. we could keep in in my (or someone's basement), publish the list on the website, and check in/out at tclug meetings. like i said, as a greehorn, i'd be really excited to get my hands on the lit that some of the gurus on this list started paging thru many years, months, whatever, ago. cheers. -jonDavid On Wednesday 21 November 2001 08:29, BT wrote: > Well Andy if nobody else wants any I can probably take some of those books > off your hands, heck I'll even drive down there and get them. > > andy@theasis.com wrote: > > On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > > > Sounds like you've got a good handle on what these many important > > > logistical considerations might be. Why not put your fingers to > > > keyboard and write up your "formal proposal", because obviously, we're > > > your "code monkeys." > > > > *My* code monkeys? _I_ don't need any code. Nor do _I_ need LUG library. > > > > Silly me, I thought making some literature available would be a benefit > > to some LUG members, and that some might be willing to actually step > > forward and DO something to facilitate it. Instead, the response is a > > sarcasm-filled flame prompted by my suggestion that we direct the > > discussion on the original thread to actually accomplishing something. > > I'm sure you're capable of building a kickass application without > > actually knowing ahead of time what it is. I'm just sorry it was too much > > effort for you to take that tangent to another thread. > > > > I WAS intending to donate a lot of material that I had on hand -- a few > > dozen books beyond the stack of magazines that prompted my first note -- > > as well as several thousand dollars worth of books in the near future > > that I normally turn down from authors and editors whom I know. But > > you've single-handedly thwarted my selfish plan, thanks to your need to > > saturate the issue with piss & vinegar. > > > > But by all means, don't let that stop you from exercising your right to > > discuss. > > > > Andy > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From steveg at transition.com Wed Nov 21 12:18:33 2001 From: steveg at transition.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Nixed for Linux: ILM to replace SGI w/Linux Message-ID: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BC0A9@postman.transition.com> I think Pixar switched to linux also. http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2761566,00.html -----Original Message----- From: mbutler2@mmm.com [mailto:mbutler2@mmm.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 10:14 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Nixed for Linux: ILM to replace SGI w/Linux I have to agree with a lot of what Jeremy is saying here- After reading the article, it looks as though Hendrickson is a bit of an Intel bigot, he even goes on about how much of a travesty it is that SGI doesn't have an Intel chip in their lineup, and how that is, somehow, their downfall. For being an "R-n-D" guy, he sure seems a bit commodity based, he seems much more motivated by the savings here than the performance. Can he tell me why the NSA and many other large industries, (Pixar, GM, Ford, etc.) that do large scale graphical models and put a LOT of time and money into visualization are still using the SGIs? ILM is feeling the squeeze like anyone, and they need to make changes to suit their interests, and they need to make those changes look good, despite what the internal motivations in the company might be. Maybe they found some miracle in Linux tha tdoes what their SGIs can't, but I doubt that, I think it looks more like a monetarily motivated move, and that is fine. I also have every confidence that they'll still use SGI in some capacity, there are some things you just can't do elsewhere. In all, I think that if ILM is making a choice for the bottom line, good for them, I like the Effects, and I'm a HUGE Harry Potter fan, if this makes the next movie even better, I'll jump for joy, but if it's purely based on technology and is a pure R and D decision, I have to wonder who is doing their R and D, maybe I need to get out my resume... Regardless, I'm eager to see what happens here, you have a number of people working in a specialized environ on a given set of tools for a long period of time, now you're changing that, how do you think they're going to react? Will this effect their work? After all, it's not like your changing their file server, this is what they work on everyday..... donning flame resistant pajamas (oof!), mbutler On Wednesday 21 November 2001 01:36, jshawley wrote: Can you give some reasons why you will be happy when they will be gone? I hope you can come up with something better than "It doesn't run linux". If you are going to say things like this, please make some justifications. The fact is that IRIX is an incredable OS, it does have it's issues, but what OS doesn't. If I was in a business position, I would choose IRIX over linux in just about every case. And talk about some amazing hardware. If anyone on this list has ever seen a 1024 processor Origin 3800, you know what I mean. I don't see linux scaling to 1024 processors as a single image system, hell I don't even see solaris doing that. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From esper at sherohman.org Wed Nov 21 12:22:51 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mircosoft settlement option In-Reply-To: <3BFBD3E5.74A365B3@megsinet.net>; from poverby@megsinet.net on Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 10:18:45AM -0600 References: <3BFBD3E5.74A365B3@megsinet.net> Message-ID: <20011121112402.C4203@sherohman.org> On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 10:18:45AM -0600, Paul Overby wrote: > Microsoft Aims to Settle Suits by Equipping 12,500 Schools > > Anyone else think this seems a little self serving? Other than most of slashdot? Maybe. http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/11/20/1916203 -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From petre.scheie at nextelpartners.com Wed Nov 21 12:23:52 2001 From: petre.scheie at nextelpartners.com (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mircosoft settlement option In-Reply-To: <3BFBD3E5.74A365B3@megsinet.net> References: <3BFBD3E5.74A365B3@megsinet.net> Message-ID: <20011121.17290000@gromit.> I disagree: I think it's A LOT self-serving. I've seen price tags for the 'value' of the software they'll be 'giving away' range from $500 million to $900 million depending on what discounted price is used. Mind you, it's not like this is going to COST Microsoft this much money. It's not lost sales for them because these poor schools never would have had the money to buy this stuff in the first place. And the cost of producing the disks is negligable, if they even use disks. No, I think MS should just be fined, perhaps with the money going to those schools to use as they see fit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 11/21/01, 10:18:45 AM, Paul Overby wrote regarding [TCLUG] mircosoft settlement option: > Microsoft Aims to Settle Suits by Equipping 12,500 Schools > Anyone else think this seems a little self serving? > http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/21/technology/21SOFT.html?todaysheadlines > -- > Paul Overby > Poverby@megsinet.net > Office: 651-686-6074 > Home: 452-3233 > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Nov 21 12:25:12 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Nixed for Linux: ILM to replace SGI w/Linux In-Reply-To: <200111211412.fALEC8413485990@nodin.corp.sgi.com> References: <20011121003244.P26949@real-time.com> <20011121013637.C16826@wookimus.net> <200111211412.fALEC8413485990@nodin.corp.sgi.com> Message-ID: <20011121113309.Y18625@ringworld.org> * Jeremy Shawley [011121 09:02]: > OS doesn't. If I was in a business position, I would choose IRIX over linux > in just about every case. And talk about some amazing hardware. If anyone on Depends on your business. If you depended on scalibilty via single machines, sure. If you dont, I dont see the point. You can achieve similar feats via clustering and HA management software and a ton of cheap machines. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Wed Nov 21 12:26:30 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mircosoft settlement option In-Reply-To: <3BFBD3E5.74A365B3@megsinet.net> References: <3BFBD3E5.74A365B3@megsinet.net> Message-ID: <20011121113310.A15896@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 10:18:45AM -0600, Paul Overby wrote: > Microsoft Aims to Settle Suits by Equipping 12,500 Schools > > Anyone else think this seems a little self serving? That's an understatement. > http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/21/technology/21SOFT.html?todaysheadlines See the slashdot article http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/11/20/1916203 and Red Hat's response http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/011120/202744_1.html. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://faircopyright.org/ From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Nov 21 12:27:52 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anyone willing to burn SuSE for me? In-Reply-To: <200111211644.fALGidw35994@pimout3-int.prodigy.net> References: <200111211644.fALGidw35994@pimout3-int.prodigy.net> Message-ID: <1006363971.1432.16.camel@titanium> On Wed, 2001-11-21 at 10:44, Peter Clark wrote: > My father-in-law is in town for the next two weeks and wants to try out the > latest SuSE. Since I don't have a.) high bandwidth or b.) a cd-burner, is > there some kind soul willing to burn a copy for me? I've got a couple of > blank cds for payment. Please reply off list (preferred address: > pc451@yahoo.com). AFAIK you can't download the lastest SuSHIT, you gotta pay for it. > TIA, > :Peter > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. 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The more kids get access to computers the better if you ask me. > > http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/21/technology/21SOFT.html?todaysheadlines > > > > -- > Paul Overby > Poverby@megsinet.net > Office: 651-686-6074 > Home: 452-3233 > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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People just choosing the OS that fits, then developing tools and infrastructure on top of that OS. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Nov 21 12:50:10 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: mp3 encoders In-Reply-To: <20011121105216.X2038@real-time.com> References: <20011121105216.X2038@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011121114827.A18625@ringworld.org> * Amy Tanner [011121 11:33]: > What does everyone prefer for mp3 encoders these days? lame -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From churchill_dan at htc.honeywell.com Wed Nov 21 12:51:46 2001 From: churchill_dan at htc.honeywell.com (Churchill, Dan (MN65)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Co-living 100mb and 10mb ethernet Message-ID: > It does kinda matter. On the hub your trying to uplink it needs to be > in the uplink port (usually first or last. probably labeled). On the > hub your trying to uplink to it does not matter. Actually, it does not matter which port you use on *either* hub, *provided* that the cable between them is a crossover cable. An uplink port is just a normal port that has the crossover wired internally. Usually, there is a switch on the hub to change one port between being a normal port and being an uplink port. Sometimes, there are two physical ports which share the same internal connection, with one of them being wired as an uplink and one not. If this is your setup, you should only use one of the two at any given time. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2430 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011121/e98132a4/attachment.bin From PaulHarris at Bigfoot.com Wed Nov 21 12:53:31 2001 From: PaulHarris at Bigfoot.com (Paul Harris) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dell offering red hat Message-ID: <20011121175544.24867.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> I'm not a lawyer, but I can't see how it would be illegal for Dell to bundle whatever they want, in whatever configuration they want, so long as it doesn't contradict a specific court order. So it's not illegal for Dell to 'force' me to buy a USB port on a laptop, even though it would work fine without it. Similarly they keep including that Print Scrn/SysRq key, and that alone is enough to put me off Dell :) Now whether it's 'right' is a different question (the answer being 'no'), but I can't see it being illegal. > From: K Hinze > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Dell offering red hat > > Funny you mention this > We were discussing this the other day on #tclug > I emailed Dell about this same issue, so far no response. I was assuming their answer would be as you stated, which is getting me to think. This seems to me to be monopolistic. Forcing the consumer to purchase software licenses wether or not they want to seems to me like nothing short of illegal and anticompetitive as well as possibly violating anti-trust laws. > However, outside of contacting our nice Mr Mike Hatch, MN Atty General, or possibly a good corporate lawyer, I can only fume in my anti-M$ anger and wish there was a better way. > Anyone know (or have strong feelings) about the legality of forcing customers to purchase M$ licenses? > "I just wanna buy a damn laptop!" > -Kevin From mbresnah at visi.com Wed Nov 21 12:55:15 2001 From: mbresnah at visi.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FBI software cracks encryption wall In-Reply-To: <200111211541.fALFfBT28943@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: I'm as confused as you. Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jay W. Anderson > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 7:41 AM > To: Bob Tanner; tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] FBI software cracks encryption wall > > > Was there a link to something that I missed? > > Jay > > On 21 Nov 01, at 0:05, Bob Tanner wrote: > > Subject: [TCLUG] FBI software cracks encryption wall > > > How will this work under Linux? > > > > Is the FBI specifically targeting Windows? > > > > Nice to know terrorists will move to linux now. :-| > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Nov 21 12:57:47 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mp3 encoders In-Reply-To: <20011121105216.X2038@real-time.com> Message-ID: Well, if you must do mp3, most will tell you lame. I've reripped most of my stuff into Ogg Vorbis myself. :) Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "I MIGHT be DANGEROUS!" --The Tick From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Nov 21 13:29:06 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Nixed for Linux: ILM to replace SGI w/Linux In-Reply-To: <20011121085250.B11178@real-time.com> References: <20011121003244.P26949@real-time.com> <20011121013637.C16826@wookimus.net> <20011121085250.B11178@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011121122850.A19625@wookimus.net> On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 08:52:50AM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > I can't tell you how happy I'll be when I can get rid of the SGI O2's > and Origin's in the IMA! Bob and others wonder: > Really? Care to share? Heh. Not like it'll happen. They _are_ nice boxes; I just despise IRIX with a passion. My opinion tends to agree with those already expressed on the list. IRIX == The Wrong Way (tm). SGI Hardware == Very Cool (tm). Now, if we could get Linux to run on these boxes, I'd be a very happy man. Carl pretty much summed up the reasons why in his email, so I'll not dwell on it further. Oh, on Logical Volume Management on IRIX, it's part of XFS. I think if you grep the XFS discussion lists, you'll probably see questions regarding that very topic. It'd be interesting to hear what SGI plans to do w/the XFS LVM. Linux's LVM works quite well, by the way. It's in 1.0.1rc4 right now, which has fortunately been merged with 2.4.15-pre6, I believe. Another nice merge into 2.4-pre series is ext3! ;-) I know what I'll be doing once it is! ;-) -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Nixed for Linux: ILM to replace SGI w/Linux In-Reply-To: <200111211412.fALEC8413485990@nodin.corp.sgi.com> References: <20011121003244.P26949@real-time.com> <20011121013637.C16826@wookimus.net> <200111211412.fALEC8413485990@nodin.corp.sgi.com> Message-ID: <20011121124335.C19625@wookimus.net> On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 09:16:18AM -0600, Jeremy Shawley wrote: > Can you give some reasons why you will be happy when they will be > gone? I hope you can come up with something better than "It doesn't > run linux". If you are going to say things like this, please make some > justifications. Believe it or not, it's not that it doesn't run Linux that's my problem. It's that wonderful oganically grown filesystem layout that IRIX seems to love so dearly. Every system is different, but every time I log on to an IRIX box, I get this queasy feeling that "something is wrong with the force." > At anyrate, just have the decency to give some justification to your > argument, as far as we know, you are just a really bad sysadmin and > don't know how to admin the systems. You know. I don't really need to give you more reason that personal preference. That's what's wonderful about operating systems and being putting on the BOFH hat every once and a while. You are correct that you can assume no more than you know from the comment, especially if you reference no other emails to this list posted by yours truely. If you want to assume that I'm a bad admin, then go ahead. If you want to assume that I have lice, eat goldfish, and live under your bed, than I'm your boogie-man. IMHO, IRIX is a pain in the ass, and I'll be happy when I no longer have to deal with it. Qualifier for that statement, because I'm a BOFH. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011121/84307230/attachment.pgp From andy at theasis.com Wed Nov 21 13:56:19 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mircosoft settlement option In-Reply-To: <1006364107.1432.20.camel@titanium> Message-ID: > > Microsoft Aims to Settle Suits by Equipping 12,500 Schools > > > > Anyone else think this seems a little self serving? > > Who cares! Don't look a gift-horse in the mouth. The more kids get > access to computers the better if you ask me. The DoJ has to choose between exacting a punishment that is harsh to MS, or one that may allow them to get off somewhat easier, but confer a bigger benefit on society. Harsher punishment or greater good? I'm with Ben on this one, since I don't think any attempt at harsh punishment is gonna make a big difference to the way MS operates. Andy From bradyh at bitstream.net Wed Nov 21 13:57:51 2001 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mircosoft settlement option In-Reply-To: <1006364107.1432.20.camel@titanium> References: <3BFBD3E5.74A365B3@megsinet.net> <1006364107.1432.20.camel@titanium> Message-ID: <1006369065.14424.23.camel@lis.llewellyn.com> I think it's totally self-serving and counter productive. Redhat made a offer that they will provide free software and support to the schools if Microsoft provides the hardware. This makes some pretty good sense to me. I guess you could argue that it might confuse kids to have to use different operating systems (Linux/Windows/Mac) but I think it would make kids more flexible and knowledgeable which is really the highest object of education. (My 4 yr old daughter knows how to use *my* Redhat system pretty well.) Brady On Wed, 2001-11-21 at 11:35, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Wed, 2001-11-21 at 10:18, Paul Overby wrote: > > Microsoft Aims to Settle Suits by Equipping 12,500 Schools > > > > Anyone else think this seems a little self serving? > > Who cares! Don't look a gift-horse in the mouth. The more kids get > access to computers the better if you ask me. > > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/21/technology/21SOFT.html?todaysheadlines > > > > > > > > -- > > Paul Overby > > Poverby@megsinet.net > > Office: 651-686-6074 > > Home: 452-3233 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > -- > Ben Lutgens > Sistina Software Inc. > Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Nov 21 14:04:46 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mp3 encoders Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0D5@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Oggenc. :) If you really really need mp3, use LAME (use the --r3mix option for the best quality sound at 128kbps). Otherwise, use the the ogg format. I think it sounds much better, it has noticably wider frequency response and much better stereo separation. I encoded all of my music with it, and it's quite noticable on the classical stuff. > -----Original Message----- > From: Amy Tanner [mailto:amy@real-time.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 10:52 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] mp3 encoders > > > What does everyone prefer for mp3 encoders these days? > -- > Amy Tanner > amy@real-time.com _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From chrome at real-time.com Wed Nov 21 14:14:02 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] preserving paths in mkisofs In-Reply-To: <20011121095618.A14865@gordo.space.umn.edu>; from crumley@belka.space.umn.edu on Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 09:56:18AM -0600 References: <20011121002129.B12004@real-time.com> <20011121092306.A14750@gordo.space.umn.edu> <20011121095618.A14865@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011121131850.G14730@real-time.com> > > into it. So you do something like: > > # mkdir target ; ln -s ~/music/oggs ~/music/mp3s target > > # mkisofs -JR -o /var/tmp/foo.iso target > > Oops, of course you then need to follow links for this to work. > # mkisofs -JRf -o /var/tmp/foo.iso target yeah, this is what I ended up doing. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From paul at harris.net Wed Nov 21 14:21:08 2001 From: paul at harris.net (Paul) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mp3 encoders Message-ID: <20011121192731.26399.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> I use oggenc, with a little VB app I knocked up as a front-end. Yes, I know that this isn't MP3, but on the other hand it is better quality, and as I don't have a portable MP3 player compatability isn't an issue. And before the outrage hits me, I promise to switch from my VB app to something in Linux just as soon as I can get my sound and modem to work at the same time (both use IRQ5). Cheers, Paul > From: Amy Tanner > Subject: [TCLUG] mp3 encoders > > What does everyone prefer for mp3 encoders these days? > -- > Amy Tanner > amy@real-time.com From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Nov 21 14:21:59 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LUG Library (Was Re: Free -- Linux Journal Back Issues) In-Reply-To: References: <20011120204505.L9141@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20011121133440.D19625@wookimus.net> On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 08:07:35AM -0600, andy@theasis.com wrote: > But you've single-handedly thwarted my selfish plan, thanks to your > need to saturate the issue with piss & vinegar. I don't think either one of us were playing nicely last night. The planets must have been in some crazy configuration. Frankly, my impression of your email message [1] was one of patronization and criticism. I was surprised in your total lack of recognition of a group of motivated, potential resources for your proposal. You probably didn't intend on making that impression, but shit happens sometimes. When it does, shit tends to roll downhill, building in speed and size as it goes. Thusly explaining my outburst. I should have abided by my own oft given advice to walk away, cool down, and reread the email from a different vantage point under a different attitude. Regardless, what is done is done. Give as you wish to give. Contribute as you wish to contribute. If the greatest involvement to the LUG is to simply donate the media, then great. If you wish to help coordinate a software development project. Great. I'm not going to hold a grudge because of a few lines of email and will still offer my help with what time I can give. So, why am I still posting to this thread in public instead of private? It just works out that way when such a flamefest hits an email list. I apologize, Andy and list, for my overly sarcastic email. References ---------- 1. http://archives2.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2001-November/020173.html -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011121/16b5e089/attachment.pgp From mbutler2 at mmm.com Wed Nov 21 14:33:21 2001 From: mbutler2 at mmm.com (mbutler2@mmm.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Nixed for Linux: ILM to replace SGI w/Linux Message-ID: Hi again- And I do think that Linux is a good move in some instances, but for large scale, clustered rendering farms, it's a monetary move, I don't really have to try and compare a 64 processor scalable Linux cluster with an Onyx Reality Monster. that's not fair to Linux... If your focus is clustering, and you want pure performance and you are not taking money into consideration (unlikely), then SGi is it, they cluster and scale procs beyond the imagination of current Linux. And if you want parallel, I'll only point back to my argument that the NSA buys HUGE amounts of SGI, this is for certain parallel operations that make much more sense to run on SGI than other commodity platforms. All Black Helicopter and big spending arguments aside, the NSA gets it's pick of tools, and it chooses what works best, not like where I work, we choose based on business partnerships, that is a sad fact in the private sector, and they picked SGI, no surprises there. My arguments here are why SGI is one of the best for clustered and parallel computing, the white paper on ccNUMA arch. explains why their parallelism is amazing, look for it on SGI's pages. And clustering? I can't tell you how big the clustered systems get, Jeremy can answer that, but suffice to say, they are far beyond what Linux is capable of. Now, people are talking about Linux and it's development in 4 years, well, SGI is not standing still, contrary to popular belief, they will advance as well, and possibly faster in some areas. Linux is not the only technology moving forward, there are many others working on expanding what they do and their advantage may be that they are focused in a given area (also a dis-advantage, to be sure). mbutler * mbutler2@mmm.com [011121 11:07]: > Linux tha tdoes what their SGIs can't, but I doubt that, I think it looks > more like a monetarily motivated move, and that is fine. I also have every I think that Linux just happens to be the commitity os for companies who are looking to move away from single system solutions to clustering (HA) or parallel computing clustering. People just choosing the OS that fits, then developing tools and infrastructure on top of that OS. From mbutler2 at mmm.com Wed Nov 21 14:44:59 2001 From: mbutler2 at mmm.com (mbutler2@mmm.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Nixed for Linux: ILM to replace SGI w/Linux Message-ID: Yes, But did they switch over entirely? By the article, I'd say no, and for good reason, there are just some things you can do on an SGI that just don't happen elsewhere. I will agree that IRIX is a bit of a pain out of the box, I think that re-compiling my kernel is a pain in OR out of the box... REally, teh companies we're discussing here are private sector, profit based, they have profits to answer for and their motivations are based on the bottom line more so than cooltech. I don't blame them, and as I said, if it works better, I'll be the first in line for hten next movie, but there are some parts of what theya have now that cannot be replaced by what they are going to. I didn't see much about the rendering farms, I saw one snippet about the Origin2k, but that was not made clear if it was a rendering server or not. Most of these companies (at least as it was explained to me by an SGI salesdrone) have contracts with studios that allow them to purchase equipemnt for the project at hand off the projects budget, and they get to keep it in the end of production. They do buy Origin2Ks for file servers sometimes, I think it would actually be a bit of simplification to think that ILM ran off one origin for it's server, that would easily explain why they felt that SGI had no performance, but that wasn't said, I didn't see anything other than price comparisons, and that tells me it's a money motivator, not better tech, or worse, just that they see where they can cut and save, and that's good, they're running their business as they should. I agree with them, they are responsible to their employees and their stockholders (if they have any), so these are good decisions, I'm just stating that I don't htink the reasoning behind these changes is based entirely out of a better technology overtaking something else. I don't see that at all.... mbutler I think Pixar switched to linux also. http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2761566,00.html From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Nov 21 14:54:51 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mp3 encoders Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0D6@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Bladenc sucks. Go to r3mix.net and see for yourself. This guy has done some extensive testing on just about every mp3 encoder available. Xing is by far the worst, and LAME kicks the crap out of everything else, including commercial encoders using fraunhoffer's codec. He has lots of pretty graphs comparing the output with the original so you can see how much each encoders output differs. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Lupfer [mailto:tl@assimilated.org] > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 11:41 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] mp3 encoders > > > >>>>> Amy Tanner [Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 10:52:16AM -0600]: > > > What does everyone prefer for mp3 encoders these days? > > bladenc has always been good to me. > http://bladeenc.mp3.no/ -- timothy r. lupfer tl@assimilated.org Familiarity breeds contempt--and children. -- Mark Twain From jondavid at mn.rr.com Wed Nov 21 14:56:45 2001 From: jondavid at mn.rr.com (jon-david schlough) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FBI software cracks encryption wall In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01df024071915b1FE2@mail2.mn.rr.com> FBI software cracks encryption wall 'Magic Lantern' part of new 'Enhanced Carnivore Project' By Bob Sullivan MSNBC Nov. 20 - The FBI is developing software capable of inserting a computer virus onto a suspect's machine and obtaining encryption keys, a source familiar with the project told MSNBC.com. The software, known as "Magic Lantern," enables agents to read data that had been scrambled, a tactic often employed by criminals to hide information and evade law enforcement. The best snooping technology that the FBI currently uses, the controversial software called Carnivore, has been useless against suspects clever enough to encrypt their files. MAGIC LANTERN installs so-called "keylogging" software on a suspect's machine that is capable of capturing keystrokes typed on a computer. By tracking exactly what a suspect types, critical encryption key information can be gathered, and then transmitted back to the FBI, according to the source, who requested anonymity. The virus can be sent to the suspect via e-mail - perhaps sent for the FBI by a trusted friend or relative. The FBI can also use common vulnerabilities to break into a suspect's computer and insert Magic Lantern, the source said. Magic Lantern is one of a series of enhancements currently being developed for the FBI's Carnivore project, the source said, under the umbrella project name of Cyber Knight. MENTIONED IN UNCLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS Advertisement The FBI released a series of unclassified documents relating to Carnivore last year in response to a Freedom of Information Act request filed by the Electronic Privacy Information Center. The documentation was heavily redacted - most information was blacked out. They included a document describing the "Enhanced Carnivore Project Plan," which was almost completely redacted. According to the anonymous source, redacted portions of that memo mention Cyber Knight, which he described as a database that sorts and matches data gathered using various Carnivore-like methods from e-mail, chat rooms, instant messages and Internet phone calls. It also matches the files with the necessary encryption keys. MSNBC.com repeatedly contacted the FBI to discuss this story. However, after three business days the FBI was still requesting more time before commenting. MSNBC.com has filed a Freedom of Information Act request with the bureau. Word of the FBI's new software comes on the heels of a major victory for the use of Carnivore. The USA Patriot Act, passed last month, made it a little easier for the bureau to deploy the software. Now agents can install it simply by obtaining an order from a U.S. or state attorney general - without going to a judge. After-the-fact judicial oversight is still required. FBI HAS ALREADY STOLEN KEYS If Magic Lantern is in fact used to steal encryption keys, it would not be the first time the FBI has employed such a tactic. Just last month, in an affidavit filed by Deputy Assistant Director Randall Murch in U.S. District Court, the bureau admitted using keylogging software to steal encryption keys in a recent high-profile mob case. Nicodemo Scarfo was arrested last year for loan sharking and running a gambling racket. During their investigation, Murch wrote in his affidavit, FBI agents broke into Scarfo's New Jersey office and installed encryption-key-stealing software on the suspect's machine. The key was later used to decrypt critical evidence in the case. Magic Lantern would take the method used in Scarfo one step further, allowing agents to "break in" to a suspect's office and install keylogging software remotely. But in both cases, the software works the same way. It watches for a suspect to start a popular encryption program called Pretty Good Privacy. It then logs the passphrase used to start the program, essentially given agents access to keys needed to decrypt files. Advertisement Encryption keys are unbreakable by brute force, but the keys themselves are only protected by the passphrase used to start the Pretty Good Privacy program, similar to a password used to log on to a network. If agents can obtain that passphrase while typed into a computer by its owner, they can obtain the suspect's encryption key - similar to obtaining a key to a lock box which contains a piece of paper that includes the combination for a safe. BREAKING NEW GROUND David Sobel, attorney for the Electronic Privacy Information Center and outspoken critic of Carnivore, did not outright reject the notion of a Magic-Lantern-style project, but raised several cautions. "This is breaking new ground for law enforcement, to be planting viruses on target computers," Sobel said. "It raises a new set of issues that neither Congress nor the courts have ever dealt with." Stealing encryption keys could be touchy ground for federal investigators, who have always fretted openly about encryption's ability to help criminals and terrorists hide their work. During the Clinton administration, the FBI found itself on the losing side of a lengthy public debate about the federal government's ability to circumvent encryption tools. The most recently rejected involved so-called key escrow - all encryption keys would have been stored by the government for emergency recall. LEVELS PLAYING FIELD WITH CRIMINALS A spokesperson for Rep. Dick Armey (R-Texas), said he thought Magic Lantern, as described to him by MSNBC.com, was considerably more palatable than key escrow. Tech Policy and Law * $100 million in fake software seized * Senate passes Net tax ban extension * FCC to scrap wireless spectrum cap * BROCK N. MEEKS * ONLINE PRIVACY * JUSTICE VS. MICROSOFT: FULL COVERAGE "Citizens should have ability to keep their files and e-mails safe from bureaucratic prying eyes. But this would only be usable against a limited set of people. It's not as troubling as saying the government should have all the keys," said the Armey spokesperson. He also said Magic Lantern didn't raise the same Fourth Amendment concerns regarding search and seizure as Carnivore, because Magic Lantern apparently targets one suspect at a time. Armey, an outspoken Carnivore critic, has complained about the potential for the FBI's Internet sniffing software to capture too much data as packets fly by headed for a suspect - known in the legal world as an "overly broad" search. Sobel was concerned that the keylogging software itself could result in overly broad searches, since it would be possible to observe every keystroke entered by a suspect, even if a court order specified a search only for encryption keys. Developers in the Scarfo case went to some trouble to limit the data stored by the keylogging software installed on Scarfo's computer, shutting the system on and off in an attempt to comply with the court order, according to Murch's affidavit. But given the confusion surrounding keylogging and encryption, and the mystery surrounding projects like Carnivore, Sobel said he's worried about the bureau's use of software that hasn't been clearly explained to the public or the Congress. "It is a matter of what protections are in place. At this point, the best documented case is Scarfo, and that raises concerns," he said. "The federal magistrate who approved the technology in Scarfo had no understanding of what this thing was. I hope there can be meaningful oversight (for Magic Lantern)." On Wednesday 21 November 2001 14:00, you wrote: > I'm as confused as you. > > Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jay W. Anderson > > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 7:41 AM > > To: Bob Tanner; tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] FBI software cracks encryption wall > > > > > > Was there a link to something that I missed? > > > > Jay > > > > On 21 Nov 01, at 0:05, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > Subject: [TCLUG] FBI software cracks encryption wall > > > > > How will this work under Linux? > > > > > > Is the FBI specifically targeting Windows? > > > > > > Nice to know terrorists will move to linux now. :-| > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Nov 21 15:19:01 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mircosoft settlement option Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0D9@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > Redhat made a offer that they will provide free software and > support to the schools if Microsoft provides the hardware. Actually, I don't think the offer was contingent upon MS providing hardware. I think it's an open offer which stands either way. Jay From jshawley at sgi.com Wed Nov 21 15:20:00 2001 From: jshawley at sgi.com (Jeremy Shawley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Nixed for Linux: ILM to replace SGI w/Linux In-Reply-To: <20011121104036.B12815@real-time.com> References: <20011121003244.P26949@real-time.com> <20011121013637.C16826@wookimus.net> <20011121104036.B12815@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200111212026.fALKQf413539762@nodin.corp.sgi.com> On Wednesday 21 November 2001 10:40, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > I can't tell you how happy I'll be when I can get rid of the SGI O2's > > and Origin's in the IMA! > > just leave them on a certain loading dock at a certain time of the early > morning, and I'm sure it can be arranged that you don't see them again. :) > > as for Irix, after playing with it for a few hours, my thoughts so far are: > > pro: > - scales *really* well. (the aforementioned 1024-processor box...) > - has some decent idiot tools for administration > - has really amazing graphics stuff built on top of it > - 'inst' actually looks like a halfway decent package manager. > - has a Logical Volume Manager (no idea how it compares to linux LVM) > > con: > - security is a secondary concern. the fact that system accounts are > shipped by default with no password, just means that it's intended for > knowlegeable administrators who change all these things before installing > the machine on the network. the fact that when you create accounts (at > least with the GUI tool), the default is to make them passwordless (no > password needed to access), is awfully dubious. does TrustedIRIX do this > differently by default? also, it doesn't ship with SSH. I agree with this statement to a point. Security is alwasy a concern for any company. Having open accounts after install I think is pretty insane myslef. In the whole password area IRIX is really lacking. Just the pure fact that IRIX is still using crypt passwords and not MD5 is behond me. The whole ssh thing is a bit convoluted. Because we deal so much with government, ssh has to be an afterthought. IRIX may never include ssh by default, but ya never know. > - user command line tools are horribly neglected. AFAIK, no shell that it > ships with, has command completion (certainly not by default). decisions > like this are what has given UNIX and the command-line a bad name. the GNU > command-line utils blow these (and any other commercial UNIX's) out of the > water. /bin/tcsh Command line completion. BTW, you can get bash from freeware.sgi.com :-) > - filesystem standard, like most commercial unices (unixii?), has grown > organically over the years, and is not well-organized. IMHO, Irix's layout > is cruftier than most. ideas like '/usr/freeware' and '/usr/people/' are > just wrong. one of the things that I *really* liked about linux when I > first saw it; was how reasonably-organized the filesystem layout was. There is a logical reason for home directories being in /usr/people, that is the fact you are better off having an nfs mounted filesystem in a sub directorie than in a root location. So if /usr/people becomes unavaliable, you won't have trouble access / If I were to have the filesystem mounted as /people , and the nfs server for /people went down, I will have timeouts and slow access the / partition. I agree that some tools are in very strange places. Why ping is kept in /usr/etc/ I will never know. There is also a good reason for having freeware put in /usr/freeware. SGI has some tools that can't be replaced by freeware version. Perl is the best example. If you were to replace SGI's perl with the one from freeware, then things like nsd would not work. BTW, there is a script in /usr/freeware/bin called "fixpath" that will add /usr/freeware/bin to your local path. > - a simple installation of it, takes up nearly 800MB. that's GUI, > compiler, and a lot of user tools. And how is that any larger than a default linux install? My last base redhat workstation install was over a gig. You have a few options when doing the install that will make it smaller, there is install default, install standard, install required. All different sizes > - (more of a hardware issue) that fancy graphics hardware does *so much* > in hardware, that flexibility is compromised. a single graphics 'pipe' > (which may be multiple monitors) is limited to 8 million pixels in its > framebuffer; and no more than 3840 pixels in any one direction (horizontal > or vertical). my desktop at home is wider than that (4320 pixels); and IBM > now has a single monitor that requires a graphics card capable of 9.2 > million pixels. If you are refering to the demo you had at the sgi office, the system you were looking at was over 4 years old. I think a better undrstanding of how graphics hardware works would be a good class to take. How you can even compare a single nvidia card to an onyx 3000 is behond me. Here is some better information for you. Lets see, you can hang up to 6 monitors off of a single pipe, have tools like ircombine to put them together and have functional multipal monitors. Time to flip on Mr. Coffee and do some research. http://www.sgi.com/realitycenter/ > > I know my biases show here (certainly based on the quantity of cons vs. > pros); but I would like to say that I don't see anything fundamentally > *wrong* with the Irix kernel itself (at least not yet); it's just that the > tools associated with it, require much more effort to get work done, than > the tools usually associated with the Linux kernel. How do you compare a kernel with userland tools. let's not even get into who's kern is better. When linux has things like systune, sar by default, pcp and a simple kernel recompile (on IRIX all you need to do is autoconfig -vf and you have your new kernel). > > also, I'd like to point out that whatever the shortcomings of the OS are; > the hardware is *really kickass*. I've got an Indigo2 on the desk at work > next to me; and even though it was built in 1993, it blows away most boxes > I ever touched all the way up to 1999. having seen the 1024-processor > Origin in SGI's basement (thanks guys!); I'm truly amazed at it. > > I think that possibly by Linux 2.6, we may be able to boot Linux on 1024 > processors. I doubt that it will scale as well as Irix tho. maybe by the > next stable release, we'll have something that comes close, tho. (I think > HP's pluggable scheduler technology for Linux will make this a lot easier). > > of course, by that time (~4 years at the current pace of things) we'll be > able to build a 1024-proc box in our basements, with off-the-shelf PC > technology (see the recent slashdot article on high-speed interconnect > technology). :) > > Carl Soderstrom I'm not trying to be flame bate here, but I think for a real comparison, a person needs good experience on both linux and IRIX. And seeing that I do support for SGI, and have a long history with linux, I think my opinons on this subject hold a bit more water. I don't think that linux will ever be able to touch IRIX in its stability and scailability, but linux has many things that IRIX does not. IRIX has lost in the UNIX desktop wars, but as a highend server and visulation platform, you can't touch it. For that reason, many of the very cool tools are on freeware.sgi.com and not kept as part of the main release. (please checkout some of the apps that came with your box like moviemaker. videoscope, soundeditor, SGI Meeting, and also the documentation (ivv at the command line). ) is wonderfull. Sorry for being such a ass about much of this, I just get tired of the uneducated trying to educate the uneducated. If you don't know something, than just admit it. I admit there are many linux things that I'm not very up on and some IRIX things that I am rusty at. (Notice how I did not comment on the xlv question). But to compare something that you have tinkered with to something that you have deicated your life to is just not a fair comparison. I wish IRIX had many things that linux has. For example you can't do NAT with IRIX, pam support would be great, full support of NIS and shadow passwords.ssh included in the system. Better security. Updated sendmail. Anything but 4Dwm as a default window manager. I will now step off of my soap box. Jeremy Shawley jshawley@sgi.com SGI Customer Support From florin at iucha.net Wed Nov 21 15:27:27 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mircosoft settlement option In-Reply-To: ; from andy@theasis.com on Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 01:52:20PM -0600 References: <1006364107.1432.20.camel@titanium> Message-ID: <20011121143012.A22059@beaver.iucha.org> On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 01:52:20PM -0600, andy@theasis.com wrote: > > > Microsoft Aims to Settle Suits by Equipping 12,500 Schools > > > > > > Anyone else think this seems a little self serving? > > > > Who cares! Don't look a gift-horse in the mouth. The more kids get > > access to computers the better if you ask me. > > The DoJ has to choose between exacting a punishment that is harsh to MS, > or one that may allow them to get off somewhat easier, but confer a bigger > benefit on society. > > Harsher punishment or greater good? I'm with Ben on this one, since I > don't think any attempt at harsh punishment is gonna make a big > difference to the way MS operates. > And how 1000 licenses of M$ Datacenter edition at $100k (made up figures) a pop would be "better" for the society? Or 1,000,000 licenses for WindowsXP? florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you are going to say things like this, please make some > > justifications. > > Believe it or not, it's not that it doesn't run Linux that's my problem. > It's that wonderful oganically grown filesystem layout that IRIX seems > to love so dearly. Every system is different, but every time I log on > to an IRIX box, I get this queasy feeling that "something is wrong with > the force." > > > At anyrate, just have the decency to give some justification to your > > argument, as far as we know, you are just a really bad sysadmin and > > don't know how to admin the systems. > > You know. I don't really need to give you more reason that personal > preference. That's what's wonderful about operating systems and being > putting on the BOFH hat every once and a while. You are correct that > you can assume no more than you know from the comment, especially if you > reference no other emails to this list posted by yours truely. If you > want to assume that I'm a bad admin, then go ahead. If you want to > assume that I have lice, eat goldfish, and live under your bed, than I'm > your boogie-man. I apologize, I did not mean to insult you, I just hate unqualified statements. It's just nice to see some justification for why someone hates something. I just reminded me of the the old famous "Macintosh Sucks" statements. And when you would ask the question "Well, why does it suck". You get back answers like "because" and " it just does". No real meat to the content of why that particular thing was sucking. I am new to this newsgroup, so I have not seen many emails from you. I am sure you are a very qualified admin, and I was just caught on a bad day. Please accept my apologies and I meant no ill will by what I said. I do think that IRIX is a great OS for what it does, its not great all around and has it's short commings, but I would trust my data and important information to IRIX befor I would linux. Thats just my opinion. -Jeremy > > IMHO, IRIX is a pain in the ass, and I'll be happy when I no longer have > to deal with it. Qualifier for that statement, because I'm a BOFH. From mbutler2 at mmm.com Wed Nov 21 15:42:48 2001 From: mbutler2 at mmm.com (mbutler2@mmm.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Nixed for Linux: ILM to replace SGI w/Linux Message-ID: Okay- I understand that you don't like IRIX, that's good, I'm not a particular fan of HP-UX, but my reasons for not liking it are technical, not becasue it makes me feel oogy when I log in. I really dislike it becasue there is no concept of shadowed passwd files, and the "trusted" system implements some things that I don't love, either, not to mention that it uses a different system call to retrieve the passwd entry, thereby "breaking" a few apps that need to run on some of the HP systems I use. Those are what I would look for in reasons that you don't care for IRIX, not saying you're wrong, you have your opinion, and that's a good thing. I see one reason in the filesystem layout, but IMHO, that is the admin's responsibility, and yes, you can dictate that in IRIX, you just have to know the inst args to do the install as you want it. Much like getting the hang of fdisk or other tools, just one more thing to learn, and personally, I think that's fun. If you wnat a toe to toe comparison of IRIX and Linux, for what you do and the parts you use, Linux probably wins, but there are many parts and pieces of IRIX I will take over Linux any day of the week, inst being one, and xfs being another. Aside form that, I'm used to 4DWM, even though a lot of people at SGI don't even like it. I also like anumber of other parts, but as I said, you'll have different wants than I do. I do just have one more small bit to add, and I'll step down for a bit, and this isn't pointed to anyone in particular, but it happens to me without fail. Everytime I get into a heated discussion on a list, and it gets down to whose system I am working on, and what I like, some wizened old admin/programmer will (without fail) throw out the "it's not there for you, it's there because the users are, and so are you...." line. I can't force my users to something they can't/ won't use, so sometimes I am saddled with systems I don't love as much as something else. So, at any rate, I see your arguments, and I see Jeremy's as well, and I'm not trying to make the peace here, I just want to clarify what's being said. I don't think I've succeeded, but it was worth a try, too bad it got lost in my ramblings... Thanks, mbutler On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 09:16:18AM -0600, Jeremy Shawley wrote: > Can you give some reasons why you will be happy when they will be > gone? I hope you can come up with something better than "It doesn't > run linux". If you are going to say things like this, please make some > justifications. Believe it or not, it's not that it doesn't run Linux that's my problem. It's that wonderful oganically grown filesystem layout that IRIX seems to love so dearly. Every system is different, but every time I log on to an IRIX box, I get this queasy feeling that "something is wrong with the force." > At anyrate, just have the decency to give some justification to your > argument, as far as we know, you are just a really bad sysadmin and > don't know how to admin the systems. You know. I don't really need to give you more reason that personal preference. That's what's wonderful about operating systems and being putting on the BOFH hat every once and a while. You are correct that you can assume no more than you know from the comment, especially if you reference no other emails to this list posted by yours truely. If you want to assume that I'm a bad admin, then go ahead. If you want to assume that I have lice, eat goldfish, and live under your bed, than I'm your boogie-man. IMHO, IRIX is a pain in the ass, and I'll be happy when I no longer have to deal with it. Qualifier for that statement, because I'm a BOFH. From amy at real-time.com Wed Nov 21 16:15:39 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mp3 encoders In-Reply-To: ; from zibby+tclug@ringworld.org on Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 12:02:06PM -0600 References: <20011121105216.X2038@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011121131059.E2038@real-time.com> On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 12:02:06PM -0600, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) (zibby+tclug@ringworld.org) wrote: > Well, if you must do mp3, most will tell you lame. > > I've reripped most of my stuff into Ogg Vorbis myself. :) do any of the windows mp3 players recognize ogg format? -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From chrome at real-time.com Wed Nov 21 16:17:23 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Nixed for Linux: ILM to replace SGI w/Linux In-Reply-To: <3BFBD9C9.4A4D3DF2@gvtel.com>; from rsinland@gvtel.com on Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 10:43:53AM -0600 References: <3BFBD9C9.4A4D3DF2@gvtel.com> Message-ID: <20011121131233.F14730@real-time.com> > I'm pretty much with you as an SGI owner, but what you may not be aware > of is that > SGI has been using Intell stuff in it's more recent machines. Makes you > wonder if > they sold out and then lost.... the scary thing is, that as I understand it, the latest x86 boxen from SGI, aren't really SGIs; they're relabeled Acers (the desktops) and Dells (the servers). the original SGI x86 workstations were *very* cool (had a real boot prom, 3 64-bit PCI slots); but they must not have sold well enough or something. :( even the SGI guys admit that the x86 SGIs are crap these days. :( Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Nov 21 17:25:03 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mp3 encoders Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0DB@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Yes, winamp ships with ogg support. I think freeamp does too. > -----Original Message----- > From: Amy Tanner [mailto:amy@real-time.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 1:11 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] mp3 encoders > > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 12:02:06PM -0600, Andy Zbikowski > (Zibby) (zibby+tclug@ringworld.org) wrote: > > Well, if you must do mp3, most will tell you lame. > > > > I've reripped most of my stuff into Ogg Vorbis myself. :) > > do any of the windows mp3 players recognize ogg format? > -- > Amy Tanner > amy@real-time.com _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Nov 21 17:32:36 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mp3 encoders In-Reply-To: <20011121131059.E2038@real-time.com> References: <20011121105216.X2038@real-time.com> <20011121131059.E2038@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011121164415.71130adc.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Amy Tanner wrote: > > do any of the windows mp3 players recognize ogg format? Yes. Freeamp, Winamp, and Sonique to name a few. Here are some more: http://www.vorbis.com/software.psp?pid=2 -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Most people feel that / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ everyone is entitled to \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) their opinion. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011121/3f2ec285/attachment.pgp From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Nov 21 17:33:50 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FBI software cracks encryption wall In-Reply-To: <01df024071915b1FE2@mail2.mn.rr.com> References: <01df024071915b1FE2@mail2.mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <20011121165219.F19625@wookimus.net> On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 01:07:35PM -0600, jon-david schlough wrote: > "This is breaking new ground for law enforcement, to be planting > viruses on target computers," Sobel said. "It raises a new set of issues > that neither Congress nor the courts have ever dealt with." Actually, it's not a bad idea. I'm surprised it stayed so hushed for so long. I can pretty much guarantee that such things have been happening for quite some time. The whole keycapture thing, old hack. People just have to assume that if the kiddies can do it, so can the government. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011121/5d96d816/attachment.pgp From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Nov 21 17:35:02 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mp3 encoders In-Reply-To: <20011121131059.E2038@real-time.com> References: <20011121105216.X2038@real-time.com> <20011121131059.E2038@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011121165512.G19625@wookimus.net> On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 01:10:59PM -0600, Amy Tanner wrote: > do any of the windows mp3 players recognize ogg format? Winamp does. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011121/9903cee2/attachment.pgp From phil at rephil.org Wed Nov 21 17:36:18 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (phil@rephil.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OmniBook 500 Message-ID: <20011121165721.A22969@rephil.org> Wow. I don't know if anyone else has played with these, but I'm having a lot of fun. I finally had reason to go look for a new laptop. I looked at the TuxTops, the IBM's that everyone's been going on about, the VAIO, Dell, and some weirder and cooler and lamer and whatever. There are too many models on the market, too many of which are functionally equivalent to each other. The brushed magnesium case with a blue drive indicator light and hp logo under the screen make this thing look like Star Trek: TNG, in real life. Tiny -- 3.7 lbs, even with the dilithium crystals inside. I went cheap and only got a 7.5GB drive, 500MHz Celeron, and 128 MB. 12.1" screen at 1024x768. $874 with shipping, no expansion dock. There's a really killer site at http://www.swiss.ai.mit.edu/projects/omnibook/details.php?MODEL=500 and really good Linux support. (He's almost put together a modified Debian distribution -- custom boot disks, modified packages that are ready to run, etc...) I'm installing right now, and now trouble so far. You can load them up with all sorts of doo dads (expansion base, 2 extra batteries therein, or drives and what have you...), but stripped it's still a heck of a machine and cheap and pretty and cool and sleek, and ... I should just put the blow by blow on the web. -- I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Nov 21 17:54:04 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Nixed for Linux: ILM to replace SGI w/Linux Message-ID: Jeremy, >>> jshawley@SGI.com 11/21/01 03:30PM >>> >I'm not trying to be flame bate here, but I think for a real comparison, a >person needs good experience on both linux and IRIX. And seeing that I do >support for SGI, and have a long history with linux, I think my opinons on >this subject hold a bit more water. I am glad you have this much self confidence. Observing the way you treat someone who seems to be attempting to giving IRIX a fair shake, especially considering you are obviously an IRIX proponent, really reduces my confidence in your opinion, however much water it holds. >If you are refering to the demo you had at the sgi office, the system you >were looking at was over 4 years old. I think a better undrstanding of how >graphics hardware works would be a good class to take. How you can even >compare a single nvidia card to an onyx 3000 is behond me. It is interesting to see a suggestion for someone else to 'take a class' from someone who can't spell, or at least provide useful information on the topic themselves. I can't spell either, but I didn't say, in effect, "Hey Carl, take a class". >I don't think that linux will ever be >able to touch IRIX in its stability and scailability, but linux has many >things that IRIX does not. IRIX has lost in the UNIX desktop wars, but as a >highend server and visulation platform, you can't touch it. Jeremy, you are an SGI partisan, and that's OK. Some people are not, and that's OK too. I, for one, am not interested in a highend server and visualization platform, but my needs are meager and few. And, since I don't work for SGI, I am free to have higher aspirations for Linux than you, it seems. >>On Wednesday 21 November 2001 10:40, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: >>as for Irix, after playing with it for a few hours, my thoughts so far are: >Sorry for being >such a ass about much of this, I just get tired of the uneducated trying to >educate the uneducated. If you don't know something, than just admit it. Please stop being an ass. He did admit it, or at least it was pretty plain to me that he wasn't professing to be a IRIX pro after 'playing with it for a few hours'. SGI and IRIX would be much better served if you pointed out misinformation in a more dignified and diplomatic tone. My 2 cents. Have a great turkey day, Troy P.S. - Carl, thank for the point by point. Shorter is sweeter. From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Nov 21 17:55:22 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Nixed for Linux: ILM to replace SGI w/Linux Message-ID: I think a poor default file system layout (regardless of the rationale behind it) is more than reason enough to dislike an OS/Distribution. But that may just be me. From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Nov 21 17:56:48 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mp3 encoders Message-ID: I think WinAmp has a plugin, and FreeAmp had a plugin in the default install. >>> amy@real-time.com 11/21/01 01:10PM >>> do any of the windows mp3 players recognize ogg format? From chrome at real-time.com Wed Nov 21 18:43:43 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Nixed for Linux: ILM to replace SGI w/Linux In-Reply-To: <200111212026.fALKQf413539762@nodin.corp.sgi.com>; from jshawley@sgi.com on Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 03:30:51PM -0600 References: <20011121003244.P26949@real-time.com> <20011121013637.C16826@wookimus.net> <20011121104036.B12815@real-time.com> <200111212026.fALKQf413539762@nodin.corp.sgi.com> Message-ID: <20011121173918.A15311@real-time.com> I want to start out by disclaiming that yes, I don't know much about Irix yet. I'll never know as much about Irix as I do about Linux. I also admit that I know little about *really big* installations of UNIX (and its competitors); except that they're so far removed from your average desktop user's installation (even UNIX desktop), that it's a whole 'nother world. On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 03:30:51PM -0600, Jeremy Shawley wrote: > On Wednesday 21 November 2001 10:40, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > I agree with this statement to a point. Security is alwasy a concern for any > company. Having open accounts after install I think is pretty insane myslef. > In the whole password area IRIX is really lacking. Just the pure fact that > IRIX is still using crypt passwords and not MD5 is behond me. does TrustedIRIX use anything other than crypt()? or is TrustedIRIX's philosophy more along the lines of 'account for what everyone does so we can blamestorm when the brown stuff flies'? (That's not a criticism of TrustedIRIX; but rather of government logic, which TrustedIRIX was designed for). > The whole ssh thing is a bit convoluted. Because we deal so much with > government, ssh has to be an afterthought. IRIX may never include ssh by > default, but ya never know. what does gov't have to do with it? (other than 'govt = !"common sense"'). > > - user command line tools are horribly neglected. AFAIK, no shell that it > > ships with, has command completion (certainly not by default). > /bin/tcsh > Command line completion. but for those of us who would rather use bourne shell syntax... ;> > BTW, you can get bash from freeware.sgi.com :-) yep. got it. just hate to go through that extra step. for that matter, the extra hassle of grabbing bash, gnu-ls, and vim is enough to put me off using the *BSDs more; so if you want to level the criticism of 'lazy bastard' at me, it's justified. :) (it's one of the good qualities for an admin). > There is a logical reason for home directories being in /usr/people, that is > the fact you are better off having an nfs mounted filesystem in a sub > directorie than in a root location. So if /usr/people becomes unavaliable, > you won't have trouble access / If I were to have the filesystem mounted as > /people , and the nfs server for /people went down, I will have timeouts and > slow access the / partition. ok. valid point. I always thought it was there for historical reasons (left over from the days when /usr was for _users_); but that's probably a decent reason to keep that. the way we get around that here at Real-Time is have the automounter mount home dirs individually; so /home/carl will be mounted, no matter what box I'm logged into (behind our firewall at least), but no one else's would be. I admit that this may not scale well to systems with 1000s of people logged in simultaneously; but those systems are few & far between, and I don't see that it's sensible to penalize the majority of people, for the sake of the exotic cases. for the exotic cases; build an exotic config. (tho I suppose one could justify that IRIX deals with the exotic cases more often than just about any thing else). > I agree that some tools are in very strange > places. Why ping is kept in /usr/etc/ I will never know. There is also a good > reason for having freeware put in /usr/freeware. SGI has some tools that > can't be replaced by freeware version. Perl is the best example. If you were > to replace SGI's perl with the one from freeware, then things like nsd would > not work. BTW, there is a script in /usr/freeware/bin called "fixpath" that > will add /usr/freeware/bin to your local path. so why not put them in /usr/local/ ? > > - a simple installation of it, takes up nearly 800MB. that's GUI, > > compiler, and a lot of user tools. > And how is that any larger than a default linux install? My last base redhat > workstation install was over a gig. yeah, RedHat has really pigged out over the last few years... I've seen Debian workstations (Nate's laptop) which were happily under 500MB. (Including compiler, X, and the fancy wallpaper. ;> ) I've got a NetBSD box with gcc and basic utilities (including bash and vim), no X, under 70MB. in any case, you're right; OSes are all horribly bloated these days, and linux distros are rarely an exception. That doesn't mean I can't gripe about it. :) > > - (more of a hardware issue) that fancy graphics hardware does *so much* > > in hardware, that flexibility is compromised. a single graphics 'pipe' > > (which may be multiple monitors) is limited to 8 million pixels in its > > framebuffer; and no more than 3840 pixels in any one direction (horizontal > > or vertical). my desktop at home is wider than that (4320 pixels); and IBM > > now has a single monitor that requires a graphics card capable of 9.2 > > million pixels. > > If you are refering to the demo you had at the sgi office, the system you > were looking at was over 4 years old. I thought the graphics dude said that the new systems still had the same limitation? I asked him about it. > I think a better undrstanding of how > graphics hardware works would be a good class to take. oh, absolutely. I think a lot of the reason that people don't appreciate what SGI hardware can do; is that most software they see, couldn't take advantage of it anyway. Games would have much more realistic scene rendering; with much more object vertices, more realistic curves, and much better texturing. ever notice that the first-person shooter games mostly take place indoors? and when you're outside (Tribes 2); there's few/no trees, and much of the action takes place on flat plains? PC 3D hardware can't keep up with rendering even simple trees in a halfway-realistic forest. SGI stuff can; and scale it to run on *multiple monitors* (which I *really* wish more games could do). > How you can even > compare a single nvidia card to an onyx 3000 is behond me. I'm not. :) for the fancy 3D stuff, SGI equipment still blows everything out of the water, and I fully expect it to keep doing so. I'm just amazed that there are limitations on how many pixels wide you can draw a framebuffer. Can the X implementation 'join' multiple pipes together, so you don't need to write your graphics app to be multipipe aware? > Here is some > better information for you. Lets see, you can hang up to 6 monitors off of a > single pipe, have tools like ircombine to put them together and have > functional multipal monitors. Time to flip on Mr. Coffee and do some > research. > > http://www.sgi.com/realitycenter/ very sexy hardware. the place where IRIX wins here, is the X implementation being able to 3D accelerate across multiple heads. XFree86 can't do that yet; tho maybe next year we'll see something (that's a wild-ass guess). the commercial X servers for linux can do that, tho. where IRIX and Linux diverge heavily, is at this point. As I understand it, Linus resisted including direct-graphics-rendering code in the Linux kernel; because it violated one of the basic tenets of his OS design, that only the kernel should be allowed to bang directly on the hardware. IRIX has had direct rendering for a *LONG* time, because that's what seems to be needed for fast graphics work. (OS and hardware designers may disagree; and I'm certainly interested; but that's another discussion). IRIX has a *far* better direct-rendering implementation at the moment (AFAIK). Linux's is still very much in its infancy. Linux is also contending with the hurdle of all the different hardware implementations out there; whereas SGI only has a limited set of hardware to deal with (and it's better-designed hardware at that). so even if you ported SGI's X implementation to Linux, and taught Linux how to bang on that hardware; it would still lose to IRIX, at least for the next couple of years. :) > let's not even get into > who's kern is better. When linux has things like systune, sar by default, depends what you mean. there isn't a unified tool yet for reading and tweaking kernel parameters; but once you learn the /proc filesystem, hdparm, and a few other tools, most of the pieces are there. as for sar: chrome@steel:~$ apt-cache search atsar atsar - system activity reporter but you're right; there are probably a lot of system admin tools that IRIX has, and most linux distros don't include by default (and linux admins haven't heard of, so they don't know to ask for workalikes). > and a simple kernel recompile (on IRIX all you need to do is autoconfig -vf > and you have your new kernel). what do you mean 'kernel recompile'? you don't have the source code, do you? the advantage that IRIX has, is that it runs on a much more limited set of hardware; and it's better-understood hardware. lots of linux drivers and architecture-understanding is done by guess and by golly, since the manufacturers are (understandably, at times) unwilling to tell us exactly how it works. > I'm not trying to be flame bate here, but I think for a real comparison, a > person needs good experience on both linux and IRIX. no, that's a perfectly valid point. that's why I'm asking questions; because I honestly do want to know more about IRIX. > I don't think that linux will ever be > able to touch IRIX in its stability and scailability, I actually beg to differ on that point. it may be a while; but 'ever' is a *very* long time. I think in 4-5 years, there will be few things that IRIX can do, that Linux won't be able to. there's nothing magical about it; it's just evolution. Linux is the fastest-evolving OS out there; and the rate is accelerating. > (please checkout some of the apps that came with your box > like moviemaker. videoscope, soundeditor, SGI Meeting, and also the > documentation (ivv at the command line). ) is wonderfull. yeah, I've looked at some of that stuff before, and it's really great. :) > Sorry for being > such a ass about much of this, I just get tired of the uneducated trying to > educate the uneducated. If you don't know something, than just admit it. I think I tried to do that, maybe not well enough. :) If we don't try to throw some discussion out there tho; and have the bad points refuted, we'll never learn. (just look at MS users [even NT admins]... how much do you see most of them talking about other OSes?) :) > I > admit there are many linux things that I'm not very up on and some IRIX > things that I am rusty at. (Notice how I did not comment on the xlv > question). well, that's why I didn't say anything about it myself. for all I know, it's twice as cool as Linux LVM; but I don't have the faintest clue about it. > But to compare something that you have tinkered with to something > that you have deicated your life to is just not a fair comparison. no, it's not a fair comparison. most things in life aren't. you have to make comparisons based on heuristics, and when possible gain more information to refine your heuristics with. :) hey, I didn't blow away the IRIX install on that Indigo2 and install Linux or NetBSD did I? :) > Anything but 4Dwm as a default window manager. the main gripe that I have with commercial unices, is the Not Invented Here syndrome. everyone has their own licensed version of the Bourne Shell, the Korn Shell, the C Shell, vi, X, etc... Linux does the cool thing and says "hey, so-and-so has a nifty tool that does everything we need it to do; let's not reinvent the wheel"; and the people making that decision, are (more or less) the end users. so the system gets refined to be more and more like what most end users want; and not what some marketdroid decides based on 16 million pages of research. We can even see this in Linux distros... compare RedHat to Debian. Redhat is still a commercial company; and there are managers who decide what would be good to put in the distro, that would benefit Redhat Inc. Debian is entirely user-driven; and stuff goes into the distro that *users* want. This is why Debian has apt, and Redhat does not. Redhat wants to sell you update CDs and subscriptions to their update service; Debian wants to distribute the update process as much as possible, because that makes it cheaper and more convenient for people. Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From poverby at megsinet.net Wed Nov 21 18:57:51 2001 From: poverby at megsinet.net (Paul Overby) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] More Linux Laptops Message-ID: <3BFC44AB.61E26BCF@megsinet.net> http://www.emperorlinux.com/ http://linuxcertified.com/linux_laptops.html http:// www.discountpcsales.com -- Paul Overby Poverby@megsinet.net Office: 651-686-6074 Home: 452-3233 From andy at theasis.com Wed Nov 21 21:45:07 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OmniBook 500 In-Reply-To: <20011121165721.A22969@rephil.org> Message-ID: > I went cheap and only got a 7.5GB drive, 500MHz Celeron, and 128 MB. what kind of modem does it come with? Andy From phil at rephil.org Wed Nov 21 22:46:48 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OmniBook 500 In-Reply-To: ; from andy@theasis.com on Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 09:49:30PM -0600 References: <20011121165721.A22969@rephil.org> Message-ID: <20011121215142.B23195@rephil.org> On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 09:49:30PM -0600, andy@theasis.com wrote: > > I went cheap and only got a 7.5GB drive, 500MHz Celeron, and 128 MB. > > what kind of modem does it come with? Internal 3Com 56K, I think. I don't really plan to use it much (read: at all), but whatever it is, i t's supported. Many of them come with integrated NICs, but since I have PCMCIA cards lying around, I dipped a little further into the barrel. -- I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. From eng at pinenet.com Wed Nov 21 22:48:13 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FBI software cracks encryption wall Message-ID: <01C172D8.6D0AA0C0.eng@pinenet.com> Seems easy to evade. Just switch your computer (or hard drive) every month or so with a fresh install and say goodbye to snooping viruses. Any crook or terrorist who leaves email around for evidence would also leave fingerprints all over the crime scene. But the government has to catch stupid crooks, too. The FBI should be more worried about crooks using such technology on the average user. -----Original Message----- From: jon-david schlough [SMTP:jondavid@mn.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 1:08 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] FBI software cracks encryption wall FBI software cracks encryption wall 'Magic Lantern' part of new 'Enhanced Carnivore Project' By Bob Sullivan MSNBC Nov. 20 - The FBI is developing software capable of inserting a computer virus onto a suspect's machine and obtaining encryption keys, a source familiar with the project told MSNBC.com. The software, known as "Magic Lantern," enables agents to read data that had been scrambled, a tactic often employed by criminals to hide information and evade law enforcement. The best snooping technology that the FBI currently uses, the controversial software called Carnivore, has been useless against suspects clever enough to encrypt their files. MAGIC LANTERN installs so-called "keylogging" software on a suspect's machine that is capable of capturing keystrokes typed on a computer. By tracking exactly what a suspect types, critical encryption key information can be gathered, and then transmitted back to the FBI, according to the source, who requested anonymity. The virus can be sent to the suspect via e-mail - perhaps sent for the FBI by a trusted friend or relative. The FBI can also use common vulnerabilities to break into a suspect's computer and insert Magic Lantern, the source said. Magic Lantern is one of a series of enhancements currently being developed for the FBI's Carnivore project, the source said, under the umbrella project name of Cyber Knight. MENTIONED IN UNCLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS Advertisement The FBI released a series of unclassified documents relating to Carnivore last year in response to a Freedom of Information Act request filed by the Electronic Privacy Information Center. The documentation was heavily redacted - most information was blacked out. They included a document describing the "Enhanced Carnivore Project Plan," which was almost completely redacted. According to the anonymous source, redacted portions of that memo mention Cyber Knight, which he described as a database that sorts and matches data gathered using various Carnivore-like methods from e-mail, chat rooms, instant messages and Internet phone calls. It also matches the files with the necessary encryption keys. MSNBC.com repeatedly contacted the FBI to discuss this story. However, after three business days the FBI was still requesting more time before commenting. MSNBC.com has filed a Freedom of Information Act request with the bureau. Word of the FBI's new software comes on the heels of a major victory for the use of Carnivore. The USA Patriot Act, passed last month, made it a little easier for the bureau to deploy the software. Now agents can install it simply by obtaining an order from a U.S. or state attorney general - without going to a judge. After-the-fact judicial oversight is still required. FBI HAS ALREADY STOLEN KEYS If Magic Lantern is in fact used to steal encryption keys, it would not be the first time the FBI has employed such a tactic. Just last month, in an affidavit filed by Deputy Assistant Director Randall Murch in U.S. District Court, the bureau admitted using keylogging software to steal encryption keys in a recent high-profile mob case. Nicodemo Scarfo was arrested last year for loan sharking and running a gambling racket. During their investigation, Murch wrote in his affidavit, FBI agents broke into Scarfo's New Jersey office and installed encryption-key-stealing software on the suspect's machine. The key was later used to decrypt critical evidence in the case. Magic Lantern would take the method used in Scarfo one step further, allowing agents to "break in" to a suspect's office and install keylogging software remotely. But in both cases, the software works the same way. It watches for a suspect to start a popular encryption program called Pretty Good Privacy. It then logs the passphrase used to start the program, essentially given agents access to keys needed to decrypt files. Advertisement Encryption keys are unbreakable by brute force, but the keys themselves are only protected by the passphrase used to start the Pretty Good Privacy program, similar to a password used to log on to a network. If agents can obtain that passphrase while typed into a computer by its owner, they can obtain the suspect's encryption key - similar to obtaining a key to a lock box which contains a piece of paper that includes the combination for a safe. BREAKING NEW GROUND David Sobel, attorney for the Electronic Privacy Information Center and outspoken critic of Carnivore, did not outright reject the notion of a Magic-Lantern-style project, but raised several cautions. "This is breaking new ground for law enforcement, to be planting viruses on target computers," Sobel said. "It raises a new set of issues that neither Congress nor the courts have ever dealt with." Stealing encryption keys could be touchy ground for federal investigators, who have always fretted openly about encryption's ability to help criminals and terrorists hide their work. During the Clinton administration, the FBI found itself on the losing side of a lengthy public debate about the federal government's ability to circumvent encryption tools. The most recently rejected involved so-called key escrow - all encryption keys would have been stored by the government for emergency recall. LEVELS PLAYING FIELD WITH CRIMINALS A spokesperson for Rep. Dick Armey (R-Texas), said he thought Magic Lantern, as described to him by MSNBC.com, was considerably more palatable than key escrow. Tech Policy and Law * $100 million in fake software seized * Senate passes Net tax ban extension * FCC to scrap wireless spectrum cap * BROCK N. MEEKS * ONLINE PRIVACY * JUSTICE VS. MICROSOFT: FULL COVERAGE "Citizens should have ability to keep their files and e-mails safe from bureaucratic prying eyes. But this would only be usable against a limited set of people. It's not as troubling as saying the government should have all the keys," said the Armey spokesperson. He also said Magic Lantern didn't raise the same Fourth Amendment concerns regarding search and seizure as Carnivore, because Magic Lantern apparently targets one suspect at a time. Armey, an outspoken Carnivore critic, has complained about the potential for the FBI's Internet sniffing software to capture too much data as packets fly by headed for a suspect - known in the legal world as an "overly broad" search. Sobel was concerned that the keylogging software itself could result in overly broad searches, since it would be possible to observe every keystroke entered by a suspect, even if a court order specified a search only for encryption keys. Developers in the Scarfo case went to some trouble to limit the data stored by the keylogging software installed on Scarfo's computer, shutting the system on and off in an attempt to comply with the court order, according to Murch's affidavit. But given the confusion surrounding keylogging and encryption, and the mystery surrounding projects like Carnivore, Sobel said he's worried about the bureau's use of software that hasn't been clearly explained to the public or the Congress. "It is a matter of what protections are in place. At this point, the best documented case is Scarfo, and that raises concerns," he said. "The federal magistrate who approved the technology in Scarfo had no understanding of what this thing was. I hope there can be meaningful oversight (for Magic Lantern)." On Wednesday 21 November 2001 14:00, you wrote: > I'm as confused as you. > > Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jay W. Anderson > > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 7:41 AM > > To: Bob Tanner; tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] FBI software cracks encryption wall > > > > > > Was there a link to something that I missed? > > > > Jay > > > > On 21 Nov 01, at 0:05, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > Subject: [TCLUG] FBI software cracks encryption wall > > > > > How will this work under Linux? > > > > > > Is the FBI specifically targeting Windows? > > > > > > Nice to know terrorists will move to linux now. :-| > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From myok at ogzr.org Wed Nov 21 23:41:08 2001 From: myok at ogzr.org (Myok) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat 7 install problems on Compaq Server References: <200111210554.fAL5s9808331@mongo.evil-overlords.com> Message-ID: <000001c17312$1e87b3e0$4165a8c0@here> > Just kinda curious if anyone has ever tried installing RedHat 7.1 or 7.2 on a > Compaq Proliant 2500? Its kinda of funky, when i just try to go right into > setup I get a err message saying I don't have enough ram. Well i try the linux > mem=256M at the boot: prompt and that will cause a kernel panic cuz it can't > find the root dev. So I am kinda at a loss. Oh yeah happens when I try to boot > off either the CD or a boot disk. I have yet to try 7.2 but am guessing that I > am going to run into the same problem. Oh well thanks. I encountered this on a Compaq ProSignia 300. Are you perchance using an add-on PCI IDE hard-drive controller? If so, does the system detect a different amount of memory on boot depending on whether the card is in there or not? After tweaking the BIOS options for days, the only way I found to get around this inexplicable resource conflict was to ditch the IDE card and go with the built-in SCSI controller. I even searched the linux kernel mailing list for patches, no luck. -- Carl Patten From marc at ds6.net Wed Nov 21 23:42:12 2001 From: marc at ds6.net (Marc A. Ohmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dell offering red hat In-Reply-To: <20011121000032.3ea18421.rudie@sihope.com>; from rudie@sihope.com on Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 12:00:32AM +0600 References: <3BFA780F.84D2692B@megsinet.net> <20011120105338.337e90f6.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <0ce3c44250315b1FE7@mail7.mn.rr.com> <20011121000032.3ea18421.rudie@sihope.com> Message-ID: <20011121225653.A20572@flanders.digsol.net> > "I just wanna buy a damn laptop!" > -Kevin When I tried to buy a vaio from Best Buy (Richfield) they refused to sell it to me if I didn't sign up for one year *free* msn. I walked out pissed off and without a laptop. They not only force you into buying the OS now, they force you into the isp! -- Marc A. Ohmann Digital Solutions, Inc http://ds6.net marc@ds6.net From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Nov 22 00:02:38 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: mircosoft settlement option In-Reply-To: <1006364107.1432.20.camel@titanium> References: <3BFBD3E5.74A365B3@megsinet.net> <1006364107.1432.20.camel@titanium> Message-ID: <20011121233438.B11599@ringworld.org> * Ben Lutgens [011121 12:34]: > Who cares! Don't look a gift-horse in the mouth. The more kids get > access to computers the better if you ask me. Over $ 0.9 billion is in software licenses that microsoft can define the cost of. RedHat proposed that microsoft supply 70 machines/school instead of 14. (or something like that) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Nov 22 00:42:07 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Nixed for Linux: ILM to replace SGI w/Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011121234230.C11599@ringworld.org> * mbutler2@mmm.com [011121 14:37]: > really have to try and compare a 64 processor scalable Linux cluster with > an Onyx Reality Monster. that's not fair to Linux... If your focus is http://www.sgi.com/features/2001/july/fantasy/ http://www.arstechnica.com/wankerdesk/01q3/ff-interview/ff-interview-1.html Also here, they used SGI hw for the workstations and servers, but the rendering was done with Pixar tools in linux. -- cut here -- "The 16-cpu Origin 2000s are primarily used for batch-processing MTOR jobs, which is the Maya-To-Renderman conversion." "The renderfarm consists primarily of ~1000 Linux machines (PIII, custom-built, rack mounted), running Red Hat 6.2. These machines do all the RenderMan renders, as well as a number of other tasks." -- cut here -- I still dont mind that its a money move, any sort of use of linux helps promote it in other uses. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Nov 22 00:43:12 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Nixed for Linux: ILM to replace SGI w/Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011121234500.D11599@ringworld.org> * Troy.A Johnson [011121 17:58]: > >graphics hardware works would be a good class to take. How you can even > >compare a single nvidia card to an onyx 3000 is behond me. I would like to see the cost of a intel-based 'powerwall' and itanium render farm vs. other solutions though. I know someone who could probally tell me too... Of course, the SGI solutions out there are 'shrinkwrapped'... I'll try and ask the person I know next monday... -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From jpschewe at mtu.net Thu Nov 22 08:42:28 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anyone willing to burn SuSE for me? In-Reply-To: <1006363971.1432.16.camel@titanium> References: <200111211644.fALGidw35994@pimout3-int.prodigy.net> <1006363971.1432.16.camel@titanium> Message-ID: Umm, check the site again. ftp.suse.com has 7.3 up as of this past weekend. Yes the ftp site lags behind the stores to try and get people to buy cds, but it does show up within a few weeks. Granted it is something like 6 discs and they don't have a broken up by disc, so that makes it harder. Ben Lutgens writes: > On Wed, 2001-11-21 at 10:44, Peter Clark wrote: > > My father-in-law is in town for the next two weeks and wants to try out the > > latest SuSE. Since I don't have a.) high bandwidth or b.) a cd-burner, is > > there some kind soul willing to burn a copy for me? I've got a couple of > > blank cds for payment. Please reply off list (preferred address: > > pc451@yahoo.com). > > AFAIK you can't download the lastest SuSHIT, you gotta pay for it. > > > TIA, > > :Peter > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > -- > Ben Lutgens > Sistina Software Inc. > Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Nov 22 10:09:56 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gabber tunnel ssh failed. Gaim? Message-ID: <20011122092257.H21617@real-time.com> Ok gabber tunnelled under ssh failed. Long story but the protocol does not support it. So, anyone able to tunnel gaim through ssh? -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jpschewe at mtu.net Thu Nov 22 10:31:29 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anyone willing to burn SuSE for me? Message-ID: Umm, check the site again. ftp.suse.com has 7.3 up as of this past weekend. Yes the ftp site lags behind the stores to try and get people to buy cds, but it does show up within a few weeks. Granted it is something like 6 discs and they don't have a broken up by disc, so that makes it harder. Ben Lutgens writes: > On Wed, 2001-11-21 at 10:44, Peter Clark wrote: > > My father-in-law is in town for the next two weeks and wants to try out the > > latest SuSE. Since I don't have a.) high bandwidth or b.) a cd-burner, is > > there some kind soul willing to burn a copy for me? I've got a couple of > > blank cds for payment. Please reply off list (preferred address: > > pc451@yahoo.com). > > AFAIK you can't download the lastest SuSHIT, you gotta pay for it. > > > TIA, > > :Peter > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > -- > Ben Lutgens > Sistina Software Inc. > Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From doughanson at mediaone.net Thu Nov 22 11:28:10 2001 From: doughanson at mediaone.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Holidays Message-ID: <000c01c1736a$f6d3fc60$4328f518@mediaone.net> Happy Thanksgiving, Gobble Gobble!!! Doug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011122/d2db62e0/attachment.html From markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net Thu Nov 22 13:19:50 2001 From: markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mircosoft settlement option References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0D9@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <01d201c17384$c728c620$1e02a8c0@zippy> It's rather odd that the discussion has run something like: x PCs + redhat vrs y PCs + Windows How come I have not heard z imac + os x ? Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Austad, Jay" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 2:20 PM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] mircosoft settlement option > Redhat made a offer that they will provide free software and > support to the schools if Microsoft provides the hardware. Actually, I don't think the offer was contingent upon MS providing hardware. I think it's an open offer which stands either way. Jay _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Nov 22 15:03:47 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Gabber tunnel ssh failed. Gaim? In-Reply-To: <20011122092257.H21617@real-time.com> References: <20011122092257.H21617@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011122142556.F11599@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [011122 10:14]: > Ok gabber tunnelled under ssh failed. Long story but the protocol does not > support it. So, anyone able to tunnel gaim through ssh? Eh? Why not use Jabber-TLS? -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From jpschewe at mtu.net Thu Nov 22 17:16:21 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Install SuSE 7.3 via ftp? Message-ID: I've installed versions of SuSE from 6.2 up through 7.2 via ftp with no problems. Now when trying to install 7.3 I get the following error just after YaST mounts my partitions. Anyone else seen this or have any ideas? ERROR: Unknown Error!, DETAIL: 0 FILE: PkgRetriever.cc LINE: 622 BTW, anyone know of a good mirror that's fast? I don't want to load ftp.suse.com and the mirror list they have is really short for the US. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From seg at haxxed.mine.nu Thu Nov 22 20:32:03 2001 From: seg at haxxed.mine.nu (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Upgrade Kernel References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D080@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20011115163124.B16644@real-time.com> <3BF48439.7D1A6FB2@urbanrage.com> <20011115224332.A25774@beaver.iucha.org> <20011115235708.A28919@flanders.digsol.net> Message-ID: <3BFDA874.6090200@haxxed.mine.nu> > what programs should do and what they actually do are totally different. I run a couple of utilities that *have* to be built against the *current* kernel header files. AFAIK there is no alternative to the pcmcia and wireless tools that must be built against the current headers. They look in /usr/src/linux by default so a good reason is its easier to put the source there. They need to be built against the *current running kernel's* headers. > What is a reason not to put them in /usr/src/linux? just chmod so you don't have to be root to build there. Its always nice to have a standard place to find them. Because this may or may not be the current running kernel. To be more flexable for those dealing with many different version kernel sources, and to discourage people from building the kernel as root. Current practice is to look in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/ for the headers of the running kernel. This is a symlink created by modules_install to wherever your kernel source actually is. From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Nov 22 21:29:11 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Upgrade Kernel In-Reply-To: <3BFDA874.6090200@haxxed.mine.nu> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D080@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20011115163124.B16644@real-time.com> <3BF48439.7D1A6FB2@urbanrage.com> <20011115224332.A25774@beaver.iucha.org> <20011115235708.A28919@flanders.digsol.net> <3BFDA874.6090200@haxxed.mine.nu> Message-ID: <20011122205146.J11599@ringworld.org> * Callum Lerwick [011122 20:33]: > >What is a reason not to put them in /usr/src/linux? just chmod so you > >don't have to be root to build there. Its always nice to have a standard > >place to find them. > Because this may or may not be the current running kernel. To be more Also because Linus Says So. http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0007.3/0587.html -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From rahrenstorff at yahoo.com Fri Nov 23 00:38:11 2001 From: rahrenstorff at yahoo.com (Rodd Ahrenstorff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat 7 install problems on Compaq Server In-Reply-To: <200111210554.fAL5s9808331@mongo.evil-overlords.com> References: <200111210554.fAL5s9808331@mongo.evil-overlords.com> Message-ID: <200111210658.fAL6wUT22571@sprite.real-time.com> I have read this same error occuring on Linux Mandrake 8.1 installs with the Proliant 2500. You may want to check: http://www.linux-notebook.org/laptops/ Also, maybe: http://www.mandrakeuser.org/mub/viewforum.php?forum=3&2382 Good luck... On Tuesday 20 November 2001 11:54 pm, you wrote: > Just kinda curious if anyone has ever tried installing RedHat 7.1 or 7.2 on > a Compaq Proliant 2500? Its kinda of funky, when i just try to go right > into setup I get a err message saying I don't have enough ram. Well i try > the linux mem=256M at the boot: prompt and that will cause a kernel panic > cuz it can't find the root dev. So I am kinda at a loss. Oh yeah happens > when I try to boot off either the CD or a boot disk. I have yet to try 7.2 > but am guessing that I am going to run into the same problem. Oh well > thanks. > > > Jason _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From rahrenstorff at yahoo.com Fri Nov 23 01:15:20 2001 From: rahrenstorff at yahoo.com (Rodd Ahrenstorff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Co-living 100mb and 10mb ethernet In-Reply-To: <200111191801.fAJI1vT24504@sprite.real-time.com> References: <01111911061000.00470@bleys> <200111191801.fAJI1vT24504@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <200111210651.fAL6pvT22528@sprite.real-time.com> Question: I just now recieved this email back from the list, and it's 12:50am on Wed. I posted this on Monday! Did other list members also just recieve this? I have also noticed other instances where my posts took a long time to show up. I don't seem to have this problem with other email lists or mailbox recipeints. Although I will test it further. Thanks... On Monday 19 November 2001 12:01 pm, you wrote: > check this: http://www.alatec.com/info/rj45.html > > It has comprehensive directions on network cabling. > > The uplink port is used to connect devices such as other hubs/switches or > cable modems etc... > > On Monday 19 November 2001 11:06 am, you wrote: > > This brings up an interesting point. I have two hubs at home, both are > > 10Mbs. I was transferring files from one machine to another, and I was > > getting collisions. The tranfer was fine, but I got to thinking about > > this. I made my own cabling, but I don't know if I have then right or > > not. Could someone either color code both ends for me? I thought it was > > like below: > > > > orange > > orange-white > > blue > > blue-white > > brown > > brown-white > > green > > green-white > > black > > black-white > > > > Is this correct if you are looking at both cable ends with the security > > clip towards you going from left to right? Also, one of my hubs is a 8 > > port +bnc + 1 uplink (it's a D-link) and the other is a standard 8 port > > hub (3 Com). So, would my uplink port go to port 8 of the 3Com hub? > > > > If someone can answer this or provide a link of proper cable making > > procedures, would appreciate it greatly. > > > > > > Shawn > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From tanner at real-time.com Fri Nov 23 01:18:29 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Gabber tunnel ssh failed. Gaim? In-Reply-To: <20011122142556.F11599@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Thu, Nov 22, 2001 at 02:25:56PM -0600 References: <20011122092257.H21617@real-time.com> <20011122142556.F11599@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20011122235731.I2432@real-time.com> Quoting Scott Dier (dieman+tclug@ringworld.org): > * Bob Tanner [011122 10:14]: > > Ok gabber tunnelled under ssh failed. Long story but the protocol does not > > support it. So, anyone able to tunnel gaim through ssh? > > Eh? Why not use Jabber-TLS? > 1 jabber.org and jabber.com have had yahoo-t and aim-t down for months. 2 I don't want to open yet another port on the firewall to let gaim through. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From phil at rephil.org Fri Nov 23 01:46:28 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (phil@rephil.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rpm fubar Message-ID: <20011123010519.A26466@rephil.org> Hi, I've been in contact with Chris Hanson and some of the other Debian developers for the HP OmniBook GNU/Linux project http://www.swiss.ai.mit.edu/projects/omnibook/details.php?MODEL=500 As luck would have it, I have the one configuration that no one thought would be needed. Good news is they are willing to knock together some boot disks. In the mean time I've loaded RedHat 7.2, and it's running. Here's the stupid part. I want to install TeXmacs (http://www.texmacs.org/), so I've downloaded the rpm. But, when I say $ rpm -i TeXmacs-0.3.5.7-1.i386.rpm nothing happens. I did rpm -q -l -p and it showed me all the stuff that ought to be in it. I tried to install something with GnoRPM (from rpmfind) and it failed, and this does too. Yes, I am logged in a root for this. But rpm won't seem to do any actual installing. What am I missing? I'm not used to programs being just dead in the water. rpm Doesn't show up in top, though it shows in the GnomeTop if you scroll down. Vert weird. Cheers Phil -- I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. From marc at ds6.net Fri Nov 23 01:48:25 2001 From: marc at ds6.net (Marc A. Ohmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux 2.5 Message-ID: <20011123011040.A22675@flanders.digsol.net> 2.5 kernel tree opened tonight. So far it is the same as 2.4.15 but 2.5.0 seems a lot more fun to run! :-) Slashdot hasn't seen it yet so get your copies fast -- Marc A. Ohmann Digital Solutions, Inc http://ds6.net marc@ds6.net From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Nov 23 02:49:12 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Gabber tunnel ssh failed. Gaim? In-Reply-To: <20011122235731.I2432@real-time.com> References: <20011122092257.H21617@real-time.com> <20011122142556.F11599@ringworld.org> <20011122235731.I2432@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011123021238.K11599@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [011123 01:24]: > > Eh? Why not use Jabber-TLS? > 1 jabber.org and jabber.com have had yahoo-t and aim-t down for months. Oh, I run my own jabber server with aim-t and icq-t working. I wouldn't know. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From phil at rephil.org Fri Nov 23 11:11:24 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rpm !fubar Message-ID: <20011123101215.A27553@rephil.org> Sorry for the bad typing before, but it seems that this morning rpm will install things for me just fine. I have no idea why it wouldn't earlier; the same command was successful this time. I want my Debian back! ;) -- I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Nov 23 12:08:05 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rpm fubar Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0E0@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> do rpm -ivh instead. Then you will actually be able to see if it's doing anything or not. > -----Original Message----- > From: phil@rephil.org [mailto:phil@rephil.org] > Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 1:05 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] rpm fubar > > > Hi, > > I've been in contact with Chris Hanson and some of the other Debian > developers for the HP OmniBook GNU/Linux project > > http://www.swiss.ai.mit.edu/projects/omnibook/details.php?MODEL=500 > > As luck would have it, I have the one configuration that no one > thought would be needed. Good news is they are willing to knock > together some boot disks. In the mean time I've loaded RedHat 7.2, > and it's running. > > Here's the stupid part. I want to install TeXmacs > (http://www.texmacs.org/), so I've downloaded the rpm. But, when I > say > > $ rpm -i TeXmacs-0.3.5.7-1.i386.rpm > > nothing happens. I did rpm -q -l -p and it showed me all the > stuff that ought to be in it. I tried to install something with > GnoRPM (from rpmfind) and it failed, and this does too. > > Yes, I am logged in a root for this. But rpm won't seem to do any > actual installing. What am I missing? I'm not used to programs being > just dead in the water. rpm Doesn't show up in top, though > it shows in > the GnomeTop if you scroll down. Vert weird. > > Cheers > Phil > > -- > I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, > but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blayer at qwest.net Fri Nov 23 12:16:29 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ot: ROOMMATE WANTED Message-ID: <20011123114503.276d662e.blayer@qwest.net> Well, I sent this to the list, because I figure a lot of LUGgers are college people, and might be of similar mind to myself and my friends.. ROOMMATE WANTED: M/F 20-35 to share old (1870's) 2 story house in St. Paul with me and two nice cats. Large 14x15 room with 6" windows & wood stove (private) plus small living room, large kitchen and bath (shared). Basically, you get most of the downstairs and I get the upstairs. 640K DSL service on 10baseT LAN, 2 blocks to Univ. busline, laundry in basement, good & cheap restaurants galore. No cigarette smokers. $250/mo + 1/2 of utilities. Call Bill 651.293.1861 or email me. Thanks for the bandwidth. Bill From drake+tclug at lemongecko.org Fri Nov 23 13:22:17 2001 From: drake+tclug at lemongecko.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] setting up apache and ssl under Debian Message-ID: <20011123124250.A16500@lemongecko.org> I'm trying to set up ssl-enabled apache on my Debian box for doing web email (I'll probably be begging for help on that later). I have apache set up, nicely configured, and running nicely, and the https side of things is...kinda working. I'd like some advice... * should I use mod_ssl or the apache-ssl package? Performance is not a major concern, this is just for me and several friends. * what's the best way to configure what I use? Any silly mistakes to avoid? * and, any suggestions on a web email client? I have aeromail and it looks pretty nice, but we're still shopping around. Thanks everybody. Now I have to go back to watching the Junkyard Wars marathon. Dan -- | 4699 BDCB B1A5 28B6 7F8A F8DF EB6A BC2A B0A1 99BF (GPG) | Dan Drake | http://lemongecko.org/drake/ | public key: email -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011123/d83d9d8e/attachment.pgp From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Fri Nov 23 13:34:02 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB Mouse Message-ID: I changed from a PS/2 mouse to a USB one. It doesn't work under X. The kernel finds it (see the dmesg output below). I am running Mandrake 8.1, Xfree 4 with an ATI Rage 128 Xpert. I modified /etc/sysconfig/usb to mouse = on with no effect, manually ran XF86Config and chose Intellimouse as the mouse type. Still nothing :( I did accept the default setting for the mouse of /dev/mouse. Should I have chosen a different location? If so, what??? usb.c: registered new driver usbdevfs usb.c: registered new driver hub usb-uhci.c: $Revision: 1.259 $ time 17:30:17 Sep 23 2001 usb-uhci.c: High bandwidth mode enabled PCI: Found IRQ 12 for device 00:04.2 PCI: Sharing IRQ 12 with 00:04.3 PCI: Sharing IRQ 12 with 00:09.0 usb-uhci.c: USB UHCI at I/O 0xb400, IRQ 12 usb-uhci.c: Detected 2 ports usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1 hub.c: USB hub found hub.c: 2 ports detected PCI: Found IRQ 12 for device 00:04.3 PCI: Sharing IRQ 12 with 00:04.2 PCI: Sharing IRQ 12 with 00:09.0 usb-uhci.c: USB UHCI at I/O 0xb000, IRQ 12 usb-uhci.c: Detected 2 ports usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 2 hub.c: USB hub found hub.c: 2 ports detected usb-uhci.c: v1.251:USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice hub.c: USB new device connect on bus1/2, assigned device number 2 usb.c: USB device 2 (vend/prod 0x45e/0x1e) is not claimed by any active driver. usb.c: registered new driver usb_mouse usb-uhci.c: interrupt, status 3, frame# 1596 input0: Microsoft Microsoft IntelliMouse? Explorer on usb1:2.0 usbmouse.c: v1.6:USB HID Boot Protocol mouse driver usb.c: registered new driver hiddev usb.c: registered new driver hid Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 From phil at rephil.org Fri Nov 23 13:38:49 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rpm fubar In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0E0@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from Austad, Jay on Fri, Nov 23, 2001 at 11:24:18AM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0E0@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011123122645.A27685@rephil.org> Thanks, it's been a while since I rpm'med and I forgot some of the flags. Trouble is, it fixed itself, and that makes me even more nervous. On Fri, Nov 23, 2001 at 11:24:18AM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > do rpm -ivh instead. Then you will actually be able to see if it's doing > anything or not. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: phil@rephil.org [mailto:phil@rephil.org] > > Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 1:05 AM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: [TCLUG] rpm fubar > > > > > > Hi, > > > > I've been in contact with Chris Hanson and some of the other Debian > > developers for the HP OmniBook GNU/Linux project > > > > http://www.swiss.ai.mit.edu/projects/omnibook/details.php?MODEL=500 > > > > As luck would have it, I have the one configuration that no one > > thought would be needed. Good news is they are willing to knock > > together some boot disks. In the mean time I've loaded RedHat 7.2, > > and it's running. > > > > Here's the stupid part. I want to install TeXmacs > > (http://www.texmacs.org/), so I've downloaded the rpm. But, when I > > say > > > > $ rpm -i TeXmacs-0.3.5.7-1.i386.rpm > > > > nothing happens. I did rpm -q -l -p and it showed me all the > > stuff that ought to be in it. I tried to install something with > > GnoRPM (from rpmfind) and it failed, and this does too. > > > > Yes, I am logged in a root for this. But rpm won't seem to do any > > actual installing. What am I missing? I'm not used to programs being > > just dead in the water. rpm Doesn't show up in top, though > > it shows in > > the GnomeTop if you scroll down. Vert weird. > > > > Cheers > > Phil > > > > -- > > I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, > > but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Nov 23 14:50:40 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB Mouse In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In your XF86Config file in the Input Device section for Mouse change the mouse driver protocol option to IMPS/2: Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" This should do the trick, this and having /dev/mouse point to the proper location... -munir On Fri, 23 Nov 2001, James Spinti wrote: > I changed from a PS/2 mouse to a USB one. It doesn't work under X. The > kernel finds it (see the dmesg output below). I am running Mandrake 8.1, > Xfree 4 with an ATI Rage 128 Xpert. I modified /etc/sysconfig/usb to mouse > = on with no effect, manually ran XF86Config and chose Intellimouse as the > mouse type. Still nothing :( I did accept the default setting for the > mouse of /dev/mouse. Should I have chosen a different location? If so, > what??? > > usb.c: registered new driver usbdevfs > usb.c: registered new driver hub > usb-uhci.c: $Revision: 1.259 $ time 17:30:17 Sep 23 2001 > usb-uhci.c: High bandwidth mode enabled > PCI: Found IRQ 12 for device 00:04.2 > PCI: Sharing IRQ 12 with 00:04.3 > PCI: Sharing IRQ 12 with 00:09.0 > usb-uhci.c: USB UHCI at I/O 0xb400, IRQ 12 > usb-uhci.c: Detected 2 ports > usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1 > hub.c: USB hub found > hub.c: 2 ports detected > PCI: Found IRQ 12 for device 00:04.3 > PCI: Sharing IRQ 12 with 00:04.2 > PCI: Sharing IRQ 12 with 00:09.0 > usb-uhci.c: USB UHCI at I/O 0xb000, IRQ 12 > usb-uhci.c: Detected 2 ports > usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 2 > hub.c: USB hub found > hub.c: 2 ports detected > usb-uhci.c: v1.251:USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver > mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice > hub.c: USB new device connect on bus1/2, assigned device number 2 > usb.c: USB device 2 (vend/prod 0x45e/0x1e) is not claimed by any active > driver. > usb.c: registered new driver usb_mouse > usb-uhci.c: interrupt, status 3, frame# 1596 > input0: Microsoft Microsoft IntelliMouse? Explorer on usb1:2.0 > usbmouse.c: v1.6:USB HID Boot Protocol mouse driver > usb.c: registered new driver hiddev > usb.c: registered new driver hid > > Thanks, > > James Spinti > jspinti at dartdist.com > 952-368-3278 x396 > fax 952-368-3255 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Nov 23 14:59:34 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB Mouse In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey, On Fri, 23 Nov 2001, James Spinti wrote: > mouse type. Still nothing :( I did accept the default setting for the > mouse of /dev/mouse. Should I have chosen a different location? If so, > what??? Try /dev/input/mice If it doesn't exist do 'mknod input/mice c 13 63' -Yaron -- From dieman at ringworld.org Fri Nov 23 15:20:43 2001 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian mirror moved Message-ID: <20011123142240.A2042@ringworld.org> ftp.cs.umn.edu's raid failed recently, and there has also been a bit of work done to get one of debian's mirror servers (saens.debian.org) brought to cs.umn.edu and we are now donating bandwidth to it. So, if you were using ftp.cs, you might want to change it to (ftp|http) debian-mirror.cs.umn.edu/debian/ This mirror is administered by the Debian administrators, Im going to be involved in keeping the hw up and hooked to the net, but there will be a different contact if you have problems with the mirror. You can allways let me know too. Thanks. (gladiator.real-time.com is being updated still too, dont worry. that one is still my responsibilty. I've also been asked to get CD iso's setup on there that are up to date (2.2rev4) and I'll do that sometime this weekend. I think there *might* be woody test images too, but I'm not sure, probally more so after the freeze.) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org Fri Nov 23 16:41:27 2001 From: jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org (Joseph Key) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] setting up apache and ssl under Debian References: <20011123124250.A16500@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: <002801c17469$ec36ffa0$0139a8c0@tomobiki.dyndns.org> I'm using Twig with IMAP so I can check mail both at home and via the web and see the same mail. Joseph Key From eng at pinenet.com Fri Nov 23 16:46:58 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mircosoft settlement option Message-ID: <01C17437.EEF15060.eng@pinenet.com> Certainly its self serving. More importantly, it hurts the kids. School kids never use more than a few applications, mostly a word processor and browser with a few learning tools. Newer Windows seem crowded with toys. To learn how to program, unless you use QBasic, you need to buy more M$ software. This settlement is like giving free cigarettes to schools as part of the tobacco settlement. Linux is now better for schools. It is a multi-user system. Programming tools are included. Advanced learning tools are also included. There are several office applications to choose from. And it is already free. The complex configuration options for Linux can make most people, including me, feel stupid. But we need not ask poor kids to install and configure Linux, just use it. Linux works better on older systems, too. This allows schools to save big money on hardware costs. If poor schools want computers with useful software, this settlement is all wrong. But schools don't listen to parents anyway. If it sounds like free money, they're for it. -----Original Message----- From: Ben Lutgens [SMTP:blutgens@sistina.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 11:35 AM To: tclug Subject: Re: [TCLUG] mircosoft settlement option On Wed, 2001-11-21 at 10:18, Paul Overby wrote: > Microsoft Aims to Settle Suits by Equipping 12,500 Schools > > Anyone else think this seems a little self serving? Who cares! Don't look a gift-horse in the mouth. The more kids get access to computers the better if you ask me. > > http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/21/technology/21SOFT.html?todaysheadlines > > > > -- > Paul Overby > Poverby@megsinet.net > Office: 651-686-6074 > Home: 452-3233 > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream << File: ATT00005.att >> From tanner at real-time.com Fri Nov 23 16:59:20 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian mirror moved In-Reply-To: <20011123142240.A2042@ringworld.org>; from dieman@ringworld.org on Fri, Nov 23, 2001 at 02:22:40PM -0600 References: <20011123142240.A2042@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20011123161349.T2432@real-time.com> Quoting Scott Dier (dieman@ringworld.org): > (gladiator.real-time.com is being updated still too, dont worry. that > one is still my responsibilty. I've also been asked to get CD iso's > setup on there that are up to date (2.2rev4) and I'll do that sometime > this weekend. I think there *might* be woody test images too, but I'm > not sure, probally more so after the freeze.) Thanks. Please keep gladiator up to date as it is what we take to installfests. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jpschewe at mtu.net Fri Nov 23 17:01:25 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Install SuSE 7.3 via ftp? (fixed) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Seems that ftp.suse.com was the problem. I switched to ftp.gwdg.de and not only did it fix the problem, but increased my bandwidth significantly. Jon Schewe writes: > I've installed versions of SuSE from 6.2 up through 7.2 via ftp with no > problems. Now when trying to install 7.3 I get the following error just after > YaST mounts my partitions. Anyone else seen this or have any ideas? > ERROR: Unknown Error!, DETAIL: 0 FILE: PkgRetriever.cc LINE: 622 > > BTW, anyone know of a good mirror that's fast? I don't want to load > ftp.suse.com and the mirror list they have is really short for the US. > -- > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From jpschewe at mtu.net Fri Nov 23 17:04:27 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HP IIP prints dollar sign as box (fixed) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In case anyone else runs into this, I figured it out. The fix is to use the menu to change the symbol font to PC-8. Jon Schewe writes: > Yes this isn't Linux specific, but searches on HP's site and Google don't > yield much, so maybe someone here has seen this problem. > > I just got an old HP IIP and when it prints dollar signs show up as little > boxes instead of $. Any ideas where to look to fix this? > > Thanks. > > -- > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From seg at haxxed.mine.nu Fri Nov 23 19:19:02 2001 From: seg at haxxed.mine.nu (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] preserving paths in mkisofs References: <20011121002129.B12004@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3BFEE284.2050904@haxxed.mine.nu> > > > >anyone have any experience with this? how did you get around the problem? > Symlinks. From jaredburns at acm.org Fri Nov 23 19:22:16 2001 From: jaredburns at acm.org (Jared Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Mandrake 8.1 on IBM A30 notebook? Message-ID: <072cb20582317b1FE1@mail1.mn.rr.com> My portable search has brought me to an IBM A30 notebook (the employee discount helps a lot ;). It comes with Win98 (better than adding to XP's numbers), but I'll want to run Mandrake on it as my primary OS (considering dual-boot). Does anyone happen to know if I'll be able to run Mandrake on this machine? I'm particularly wondering if I'll be able to get the ATI Mobility Radeon up and running OpenGL apps (Quake). If there's no specific knowledge about this notebook/graphics chip on the list, does anyone know where I can look to find out? I've checked www.linux-notebook.org with no success. Thanks, - Jared From phil at rephil.org Fri Nov 23 20:56:07 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Mandrake 8.1 on IBM A30 notebook? In-Reply-To: <072cb20582317b1FE1@mail1.mn.rr.com>; from Jared Burns on Fri, Nov 23, 2001 at 05:59:52PM -0600 References: <072cb20582317b1FE1@mail1.mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <20011123200229.B27685@rephil.org> On Fri, Nov 23, 2001 at 05:59:52PM -0600, Jared Burns wrote: > My portable search has brought me to an IBM A30 notebook (the employee > discount helps a lot ;). It comes with Win98 (better than adding to XP's > numbers), but I'll want to run Mandrake on it as my primary OS (considering > dual-boot). Does anyone happen to know if I'll be able to run Mandrake on > this machine? I'm particularly wondering if I'll be able to get the ATI > Mobility Radeon up and running OpenGL apps (Quake). I know the ATI Rage Mobilities work well, esp. if you're under XFree 4.0+ I believe that the Radeon Mobility is just on the cusp of being fully supported. The ATI Driver Status page at XFree.org (http://www.xfree.org/4.1.0/Status6.html#6) says that the Radeon chipset is now supported in v 4.1.0. That doesn't say how hard it will be to configure, but I'm only now starting to do my playing with X v4, and it generally seems really easy to deal with hardware. > If there's no specific knowledge about this notebook/graphics chip on the > list, does anyone know where I can look to find out? I've checked > www.linux-notebook.org with no success. www.linux-laptop.net/ibm.html There's currently no A30, but they have info on the A20, A20m, A20p, A21{m|p|e}, and A22{blah}. You can put yours up there, after you try it out. -- I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. From rechpj at bitstream.net Fri Nov 23 20:58:50 2001 From: rechpj at bitstream.net (Paul Rech) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Mandrake 8.1 on IBM A30 notebook? In-Reply-To: <072cb20582317b1FE1@mail1.mn.rr.com>; from jaredburns@acm.org on Fri, Nov 23, 2001 at 05:59:52PM -0600 References: <072cb20582317b1FE1@mail1.mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <20011123201755.A1859@bitstream.net> On Fri, Nov 23, 2001 at 05:59:52PM -0600, Jared Burns wrote: > My portable search has brought me to an IBM A30 notebook (the employee > discount helps a lot ;). It comes with Win98 (better than adding to XP's > numbers), but I'll want to run Mandrake on it as my primary OS (considering > dual-boot). Does anyone happen to know if I'll be able to run Mandrake on > this machine? I'm particularly wondering if I'll be able to get the ATI > Mobility Radeon up and running OpenGL apps (Quake). > > If there's no specific knowledge about this notebook/graphics chip on the > list, does anyone know where I can look to find out? I've checked > www.linux-notebook.org with no success. I was just looking into this myself. I couldn't find much. But there were some posts to google about it that you should find if you search on "ati radeon mobility". Sounded like you could get it going with some tweaking. Also, sounds like there will be full/more support in the next release of Xfree. I looked at the Compaq 2700T, the HP N5495 and the A30. Leaning toward the A30 even though it is a bit more. Have you laid hands on the A30? If I don't like the keyboard I'll hate the laptop. No matter what the bells and whistles. I have a Dell Inspirion 7000 with a great keyboard and an Inspiron 7500 with a mediocre keyboard. Guess which one I'm using even though it has half the RAM, hard drive and horse power of the other one? One last thing, where can I sign up for that employee discount. -- Paul Rech pauljrech@acm.org rechpj@bitstream.net prsyscon@real-time.com From chrome at real-time.com Fri Nov 23 21:09:01 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Mandrake 8.1 on IBM A30 notebook? In-Reply-To: <072cb20582317b1FE1@mail1.mn.rr.com>; from jaredburns@acm.org on Fri, Nov 23, 2001 at 05:59:52PM -0600 References: <072cb20582317b1FE1@mail1.mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <20011123203200.A27352@real-time.com> > My portable search has brought me to an IBM A30 notebook (the employee > discount helps a lot ;). looks like a pretty sexy laptop, from what I've seen of IBM's A-series. :) wish I had a halfway decent excuse to buy one. > It comes with Win98 (better than adding to XP's > numbers), but I'll want to run Mandrake on it as my primary OS (considering > dual-boot). Does anyone happen to know if I'll be able to run Mandrake on > this machine? I'm particularly wondering if I'll be able to get the ATI > Mobility Radeon up and running OpenGL apps (Quake). try following this thread: http://www.xfree86.org/pipermail/xpert/2001-September/011493.html It looks like you can; tho you may have to get the latest Xfree86 from CVS. (I think there's a new release slated for Real Soon Now, tho). tell us how it goes; or bring it to an installfest. I'd like to see it. :) Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From alcyone at slava.net Fri Nov 23 21:12:36 2001 From: alcyone at slava.net (Lorry Lee Strother) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] line in audio Message-ID: <20011123203347.A1968@slava.net> If I have a microphone or other audio device plugged into the mic jack, what do I need to do to make the sound come out my speakers? I'm running Debian Woody. Thanks, Lorry PS - Also how do I get it to stop putting my full name on the emails I send out? I have set realname="Lorry" in my .muttrc but that hasn't changed anything. From chrome at real-time.com Fri Nov 23 21:43:36 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DRI/3D rendering on G450 hangs the console Message-ID: <20011123205659.B27352@real-time.com> I've been trying to get 3D rendering working with my G450; and while I finally got Direct Rendering Infrastructure working, I'm getting repeatable console hangs with some games that use 3D rendering. :( fgfs (flight simulator), and atlantis (the swimming whales demo) don't seem to cause it; but when I play Rune (the Loki Linux port), or Half-Life (under wine), it will lock up the console after a minute or two. someone on #dri (on irc.openprojects.net) suggested building a kernel without framebuffer support; but this didn't help. anyone have any suggestions what to do, or at least how to debug this? I'm going to see what I can find with strace; but don't have much hope. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Fri Nov 23 21:53:20 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Mandrake 8.1 on IBM A30 notebook? In-Reply-To: <20011123201755.A1859@bitstream.net>; from rechpj@bitstream.net on Fri, Nov 23, 2001 at 08:17:55PM -0600 References: <072cb20582317b1FE1@mail1.mn.rr.com> <20011123201755.A1859@bitstream.net> Message-ID: <20011123211221.B27614@real-time.com> > Have you laid hands on the A30? If I don't like the keyboard I'll > hate the laptop. No matter what the bells and whistles. I touched an A-series once (someone brought one to an installfest); and I've worked with IBMs before (and even own one). I prefer the IBM keyboard to every other manufacturer's; with the possible exception of sony. but that may just be personal preference. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Fri Nov 23 22:05:24 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Mandrake 8.1 on IBM A30 notebook? In-Reply-To: <20011123200229.B27685@rephil.org>; from phil@rephil.org on Fri, Nov 23, 2001 at 08:02:29PM -0600 References: <072cb20582317b1FE1@mail1.mn.rr.com> <20011123200229.B27685@rephil.org> Message-ID: <20011123212112.C27614@real-time.com> > The ATI Driver Status page at XFree.org > (http://www.xfree.org/4.1.0/Status6.html#6) > says that the Radeon chipset is now supported in v 4.1.0. That > doesn't say how hard it will be to configure, but I'm only now > starting to do my playing with X v4, and it generally seems really > easy to deal with hardware. I got a Radeon to work with X 4.0.3, using the framebuffer X server. it was a bit tricky to configure. I don't see that it should be very difficult under 4.1.0 (or 4.1.0.1, for debian unstable). Mobility Radeon may be a completely different beastie, tho. Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From spencer at autonomous.tv Fri Nov 23 22:09:58 2001 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ot: ROOMMATE WANTED In-Reply-To: <20011123114503.276d662e.blayer@qwest.net>; from blayer@qwest.net on Fri, Nov 23, 2001 at 11:45:03AM -0600 References: <20011123114503.276d662e.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20011123211752.B18272@Mail> Wow, If I wasn't married with kids and a mortgage i would most certainly take you up on that offer. W00t a deal indeed. <$500 for the whole floor of an old house. And a gear head for a roomie..... Well, good luck. (like you need it) :-) * Bill Layer (blayer@qwest.net) wrote: > Well, I sent this to the list, because I figure a lot of LUGgers are college people, and might be of similar mind to myself and my friends.. > > ROOMMATE WANTED: M/F 20-35 to share old (1870's) 2 story house in St. Paul with me and two nice cats. Large 14x15 room with 6" windows & wood stove (private) plus small living room, large kitchen and bath (shared). Basically, you get most of the downstairs and I get the upstairs. 640K DSL service on 10baseT LAN, 2 blocks to Univ. busline, laundry in basement, good & cheap restaurants galore. No cigarette smokers. $250/mo + 1/2 of utilities. Call Bill 651.293.1861 or email me. > > Thanks for the bandwidth. > Bill > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Spencer Butler Twin Cities Open Systems 6126368989@voicestream.net | spencer@autonomous.tv http://tcos.stderr.net | http://autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From thomas at stderr.net Fri Nov 23 22:44:17 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] line in audio In-Reply-To: <20011123203347.A1968@slava.net>; from alcyone@slava.net on Fri, Nov 23, 2001 at 08:33:47PM -0600 References: <20011123203347.A1968@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011124050218.A15533@io.stderr.net> On Fri, Nov 23, 2001 at 08:33:47PM -0600, Lorry Lee Strother wrote: > PS - Also how do I get it to stop putting my full name on the emails I send out? I have > set realname="Lorry" in my .muttrc but that hasn't changed anything. my_hdr From: Lorry Isn't that supposed to do it? -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From dsherman at real-time.com Fri Nov 23 22:50:38 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Mandrake 8.1 on IBM A30 notebook? In-Reply-To: <20011123211221.B27614@real-time.com> References: <072cb20582317b1FE1@mail1.mn.rr.com> <20011123201755.A1859@bitstream.net> <20011123211221.B27614@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1006575148.11524.0.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> On Fri, 2001-11-23 at 21:12, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > Have you laid hands on the A30? If I don't like the keyboard I'll > > hate the laptop. No matter what the bells and whistles. > > I touched an A-series once (someone brought one to an installfest); and I've > worked with IBMs before (and even own one). I prefer the IBM keyboard to > every other manufacturer's; with the possible exception of sony. > > but that may just be personal preference. I've been very happy with my ThinkPad i1400. The keyboard has good tactile feedback, but doesn't require heavy fingers to trigger the keystroke. Dave -- English literature's performing flea. -- Sean O'Casey on P.G. Wodehouse -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I think in a strict performance comparison, the same amount (~1000) of SGIs would outstrip the Linux boxen, but that's theoretical for me, my allowance isn't quite that high. But I will also say that the structure of the linux cluster is also different than the SGI structure, SGI uses ccNUMA, this allows for memory and cpu access across the entire cluster at any point in time for any process, no shared memory limitations, etc. From what I can tell from teh article, the clustering they are looking at resebles both Mosix and something like SCore, out of Japan. the issue is that parallel linux clusters have a limited scalability in comparison to SGI (I don't remember numbers, something like 64 procs?), with Mosix and the sharing of multiple CPUs you get out of that hole somewhat, but you dig yourself another with the limitation on shared memory processes outside of the originating node. This is well known and is a limitation I've hit, myself. So, I say again, it's a monetary issue, no matter what "shading" is put on it, and that's all I would like is the understanding that in comparison, in some areas, pound for pound, cpu for cpu, proprietary things just work better, no ifs ands or buts, they just do. And my reasoning is, I like BSD, and the related areas, linux included, they are great technology, but I see that there is an area where people become blinded by hopes and beliefs and do not pay attention to the reality, it's a nice thing, because sometimes that blindness affords them the will to overcome some things, but sometimes it is unreasonable, and is like saying it is noon, when it is midnight. I understand the hope many hold for linux, I hold much hope as well, for Open Source and for Free Software and such, but I will not step into that sort of fight with anyone, not knowing the strengths and uses of what some would term "the enemy". Sun Tzu had many a great quote for this, but I am so used up, that I don't remember any of them, but I will say this, please, I'm not putting linux down, I wouldn't do what I do without it, but to properly bring it into the environment in which I work, I need to understand what battles I can win and which are not for me to take. And there are times, that I must say that linux will not work, and knowingly wish taht I *could* use it, but know that either politically or technically, that I cannot. I hope I am understood, it's late, thank you, mbutler http://www.sgi.com/features/2001/july/fantasy/ http://www.arstechnica.com/wankerdesk/01q3/ff-interview/ff-interview-1.html Also here, they used SGI hw for the workstations and servers, but the rendering was done with Pixar tools in linux. -- cut here -- "The 16-cpu Origin 2000s are primarily used for batch-processing MTOR jobs, which is the Maya-To-Renderman conversion." "The renderfarm consists primarily of ~1000 Linux machines (PIII, custom-built, rack mounted), running Red Hat 6.2. These machines do all the RenderMan renders, as well as a number of other tasks." -- cut here -- I still dont mind that its a money move, any sort of use of linux helps promote it in other uses. From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sat Nov 24 02:24:53 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: mircosoft settlement option In-Reply-To: <01C17437.EEF15060.eng@pinenet.com> References: <01C17437.EEF15060.eng@pinenet.com> Message-ID: <20011124012456.C2042@ringworld.org> * Rick Engebretson [011123 16:51]: > Linux is now better for schools. I don't even care if this is true or not, the settlement is allowing microsoft set the cost of .9bil of the costs. Thats just sick! At least cig. companies have costs. Microsoft will most likely give preinstalled machines with one set of install media for the whole lot. And then even, its not scalable, cause to really scale a w2k based network you should at least have a DC and stuff. And even then, they might just give them XP home, which would mean they are totally screwed for expanding without spending lots of money. (xp home cant join domains) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From eng at pinenet.com Sat Nov 24 06:14:14 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: mircosoft settlement option Message-ID: <01C174AC.13024F80.eng@pinenet.com> Thank you for just being smart and concerned. If I can digress, that's just how big money plays. I've finally figured out why my energy initiatives have again resulted in threats to my life. It wasn't the methanol fuel cells. In 1987 I proposed (to William Norris, because of my earlier internet effort, then head of a state Econ. Dev. group) to recycle plastic and mass produce a livestock manure tank that produces methane fuel. State and local politicos now are pushing an impossibly expensive concrete version and want million$ in public money and my local State Senator is running for Congress on the idea. Their intent is to build a few expensive "manure digesters" using government "grants" for a few big farmers, thus killing off the remaining small independent farmers by using public money. Does anybody really believe corn ethanol is a valid fuel?? Using recycled plastic would provide thousands of better, cheaper livestock septic tanks. I'm not asking for money from them, just some truth. This energy technology could generate thousands of megawatts from rural Minnesota, improve the environment and farm efficiency, and all from recycled plastic garbage and animal shit. The power companies and agribusiness make M$ look tame. That's why the internet was so important, a free exchange of info. The M$ monopoly does not have the same impact on your life as does the food you eat or the energy you use. Linux will win but it will take smart people like you to believe in yourself. That's what I got from Otto Schmitt; It's OK to believe in your own ideas. -----Original Message----- From: Scott Dier [SMTP:dieman+tclug@ringworld.org] Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 1:25 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Re: mircosoft settlement option * Rick Engebretson [011123 16:51]: > Linux is now better for schools. I don't even care if this is true or not, the settlement is allowing microsoft set the cost of .9bil of the costs. Thats just sick! At least cig. companies have costs. Microsoft will most likely give preinstalled machines with one set of install media for the whole lot. And then even, its not scalable, cause to really scale a w2k based network you should at least have a DC and stuff. And even then, they might just give them XP home, which would mean they are totally screwed for expanding without spending lots of money. (xp home cant join domains) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From eng at pinenet.com Sat Nov 24 08:15:20 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] M$ Constitutional violations?? Message-ID: <01C174B8.39EB2200.eng@pinenet.com> I went to Forest Lake for hydraulics parts yesterday and couldn't help stopping in an Office Max next door to browse the software shelves. Nothing Linux there. The sales help was nice and I asked if it was true what I learned from the TCLUG that Windows XP maintains open control of your computer's software. He said yes, and it was, in part, to protect us against the bad guys. We've come a long way from worrying about phone taps and opening another's mail, to acceding to such flagrant violations of Constitutional privacy. Being software stupid, I'd like to know what you software experts know about all of this. I've seen my kids taught to accept compromises to their Constitutional rights at school. I've protested with limited success. They can get expelled by bringing an aspirin (and with three daughters, we go through aspirin). But I can't believe its acceptable for M$ to rummage through your personal computer via the internet. The M$ money monopoly is not new, but disregard of our Constitution is historic. Please inform. From josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org Sat Nov 24 09:16:21 2001 From: josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] M$ Constitutional violations?? In-Reply-To: <01C174B8.39EB2200.eng@pinenet.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Well actually... the Constitution protects you from the government, *not* Microsoft. Since you enter into a *contract* with Microsoft in order to use their software you give up rights you may have otherwise had. The only way you get to keep your rights is by not using licensed software ;-). If you see some actual constitutional infringement going on I'd like to hear about it. I just don't think it's there. The only way this could be a constitutional violation is by Microsoft being considered as a corporation and not a person. See, the government creates corporations by assigning charters. In that sense the goverment is involved in whatever privacy erasing activities Microsoft is involved in. There are bunches of non-geek activists working on just this issue: corporate personhood. Send me a line if you are interested in getting involved with the corporate personhood issue. I'll connect you. Joshua b. Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 http://www.greentechnologist.org On Sat, 24 Nov 2001, Rick Engebretson wrote: > I went to Forest Lake for hydraulics parts yesterday and couldn't help > stopping in an Office Max next door to browse the software shelves. Nothing > Linux there. The sales help was nice and I asked if it was true what I > learned from the TCLUG that Windows XP maintains open control of your > computer's software. He said yes, and it was, in part, to protect us > against the bad guys. > > We've come a long way from worrying about phone taps and opening another's > mail, to acceding to such flagrant violations of Constitutional privacy. > Being software stupid, I'd like to know what you software experts know > about all of this. > > I've seen my kids taught to accept compromises to their Constitutional > rights at school. I've protested with limited success. They can get > expelled by bringing an aspirin (and with three daughters, we go through > aspirin). But I can't believe its acceptable for M$ to rummage through your > personal computer via the internet. > > The M$ money monopoly is not new, but disregard of our Constitution is > historic. Please inform. > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7/7i/fexLsowstzcRAvYRAKDnlPUVz3TKfQG9fbdH2YS2Ojgj8wCeMZyF sxv0fXmdPBr6i7o+BNOrYJI= =D0zn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mcolivier at earthlink.net Sat Nov 24 11:34:34 2001 From: mcolivier at earthlink.net (mcolivier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Emacs and editing read-only configuration files Message-ID: Hello. I want to edit some configuation files to see if I can get SAMBA to work. I have leanred to use Emacs, but I can't actually edit the configuration file, as it says I can do in the tutorial, because the configuratin file (/etc/samba/smb.conf) is a read-only file. I've tried gettinginto Emacs from root, but I get weird error messages. The same kind of thing happens when I try to use Comanche to configure Apache. All of this is happening off of SuSE Linux 7.3. Any suggestions? Also, at the upcoming Installfest, is there likely to be anyone there to help me load and unload the hardware, as I will be there by myself. Marc Olivier (See, I like linux so much I'm using kmail!) From mcolivier at earthlink.net Sat Nov 24 11:44:28 2001 From: mcolivier at earthlink.net (mcolivier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problem Message-ID: I can't use Comanche as regular user, and I can't even get Comanche as root. What did I do wrong? Marc From mcolivier at earthlink.net Sat Nov 24 12:30:14 2001 From: mcolivier at earthlink.net (mcolivier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] editing configuration files. Message-ID: After a little exploration, I found out how to edit configuration files manually, but I've read enough to know that (with SuSE) I need to do some other things after I've edited. I'm just not sure what. So, I noticed SuSE has something called YAST and YAST2, but neither one seems to address what I want to work with (Samba and Apache). So, does anyone know the exact steps I take after editing a configuration file (e.g., how do I run SuSE.config?) Marc From chrome at real-time.com Sat Nov 24 12:32:57 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Nixed for Linux: ILM to replace SGI w/Linux In-Reply-To: ; from mbutler2@mmm.com on Sat, Nov 24, 2001 at 01:20:01AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011124114041.C28452@real-time.com> > But I will also say that the structure of the linux > cluster is also different than the SGI structure, SGI uses ccNUMA, this > allows for memory and cpu access across the entire cluster at any point in > time for any process, no shared memory limitations, etc. but that's a hardware issue. no reason you couldn't get Linux to bang on that hardware. In fact, I'm sure SGI already is doing so. I know SGI has booted 64-processor Origins with Linux (tho I've only seen the dmesg from a 32-proc machine; was posted to slashdot a few months ago); and I've heard rumors of them trying to boot it on 128-proc machines. AFAIK, that involves being able to run on a ccNUMA architecture. > the issue is that parallel > linux clusters have a limited scalability in comparison to SGI (I don't > remember numbers, something like 64 procs?), depends how it's done. you can have clusters of 1000s of machines on a network. (just look at Fermilab's proposed 2000-node cluster). the difficulty comes in routing traffic among those nodes. (the best solution I've seen uses multiple network interfaces per node, and a really complicated dynamic routing alrorithm). On a single node, Linux is currently limited to 32 processors on 32-bit architectures, and 64 processors on 64-bit architectures; but I expect this limitation to be lifted early in the 2.5 series. from what I hear, it's just the size of some variables that limits this. I fully expect that Linux may be capable of booting on a 1024-proc machine by 2.6 time. (no guarantees...). I'll almost guarantee that it won't run very efficiently on that many processors, tho. (probably spend most of its time trying to figure out what to do next). maybe by the next version after 2.6, it'll start to compete with the big unices, for scaleability. remains to be seen. I'd really like to see some side-by-side comparisons of Sparc Linux/Solaris; and Alpha Linux/Tru64; and MIPS Linux/IRIX; for varying numbers of processors. With large numbers of processors (and processes), Linux will lose. However, for small numbers of procs and processes; I think there's a chance it may actually win in some cases. I think we need something like the Mindcraft tests (the second ones), to show us where we stand. (and some other tests by other groups as well... the german "c't" magazine had a test similar to mindcraft's; and Linux blew NT out of the water). it won't put the controversy to rest; but it will show the Linux community (quite publicly) where they need to improve. > with Mosix and the sharing of > multiple CPUs you get out of that hole somewhat, but you dig yourself > another with the limitation on shared memory processes outside of the > originating node. This is well known and is a limitation I've hit, myself. well, that's a Mosix issue, and I don't know enough to comment about it. I'm sure they're working on it, tho. :) > So, I say again, it's a monetary issue, no matter what "shading" is put on > it, and that's all I would like is the understanding that in comparison, in > some areas, pound for pound, cpu for cpu, proprietary things just work > better, no ifs ands or buts, they just do. and in places where the extra performace justifies the extra magnitude of cost; they'll always have a place. let me try to synthesize all of what I mean: -- on the same hardware as the commercial *nixes; Linux doesn't yet scale as well as they do. -- within 2 Linux generations (maybe 5 years), we're likely to see Linux performing as well on big hardware, as the commercial *nixes do now. (tho as someone said, they are moving targets). -- big iron costs a lot more than a bunch of x86 boxes. In some cases, it offers a lot more scaleability, tho (notably, for things that aren't readily parallelizable). -- some people are willing to pay for that extra bit of performance that big iron offers. the question then becomes, what OS will run it? I think that Linux will eventually be able to take over a lot of the hardware that commercial *nixes run now. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Sat Nov 24 12:35:08 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Emacs and editing read-only configuration files In-Reply-To: ; from mcolivier@earthlink.net on Sat, Nov 24, 2001 at 10:47:04AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011124114137.D28452@real-time.com> > Also, at the upcoming Installfest, is there likely to be anyone there to help > me load and unload the hardware, as I will be there by myself. yeah, we'll be there for you. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chewie at wookimus.net Sat Nov 24 12:49:02 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] line in audio In-Reply-To: <20011123203347.A1968@slava.net> References: <20011123203347.A1968@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011124115705.A2787@wookimus.net> On Fri, Nov 23, 2001 at 08:33:47PM -0600, Lorry Lee Strother wrote: > If I have a microphone or other audio device plugged into the mic > jack, what do I need to do to make the sound come out my speakers? > > I'm running Debian Woody. Thanks, 1. Working soundcard. 2. Working modules installed into the kernel for the soundcard. 3. Audio Mixer Program: to control inputs and outputs, relative levels, etc. 4. You probably have the mic input muted. Word of advice, you don't really WANT to have your mic output go through your speakers anyway. The term "feedback" comes to mind. If you want to use your mic, turn off your speaker output, or make sure your mic and speakers are far enough away where you won't get feedback. The best thing you can do is wear headphones as your speaker output. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011124/3ec1fc15/attachment.pgp From chrome at real-time.com Sat Nov 24 12:56:18 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SGI and the Itanic Message-ID: <20011124120824.E28452@real-time.com> here's something that's been nagging at me; and maybe those who know more about SGI can answer this. Why is SGI seemingly planning on migrating to the Intel IA64 architecture? (called by some the 'Itanic'). Compaq, HP, and possibly others are all abandoning their own processor designs, in favor of this one. what ever happened to product differentiation? when everyone is running the same processor (and it's the same processor that you'll be able to buy and put in your desktop system); how do you convince people that your hardware is worth 10x more? sure, you can have a different chipset on the motherboard, and different interconnects on multiprocessor systems (there's no way that an HP Superdome will be much like an SGI Origin, even if they did have the same processor); but the difference will be much less. I think the world will be poorer, for the lack of competition in processor designs... Intel has a pretty big stake in the status quo; the shakeup involved in going to the IA64 architecture has lost them ground to AMD. without Alpha, MIPS, and PA-RISC processor teams working away; will we see less innovation in the processor world? there'll certainly continue to be research at universities, and independent groups; but with Intel holding an even larger monopoly on processor markets, there may be less chance of new processor designs making it to market. I think Linux, and other Open Source software is the tool with which to break processor architecture monopolies. Intel gained it's hold, because it was in bed with MS, and if you wanted to run MS software, you had to do it on an Intel platform. want to run your old software? since you didn't have the source code, you had to buy a new system that was compatible with the old one. without the interchangeability of software and hardware; everyone was led down the broad and easy path of the WinTel monopoly, despite it being some of the crappiest technology around. in 1991, when Linux was just being conceived, lots of technologically-inclined people thought we'd all be running Sparcs in 5 years. they knew what garbage the x86 design was; but they didn't count on an ignorant public going out and buying what was handed to them by WinTel; because they didn't know better, and they wanted to be compatible with everyone else who had 'IBM PCs'. with Linux, if someone comes out with a new processor design (take a look at http://www.f-cpu.de/), and convinces hardware makers to build compatible hardware; it's possible to just port the OS and compiler, recompile your Linux apps, and it's as easy to run on the new processor as the old one. so I guess I'm saying that even if Intel takes over even more of the processor market; all hope is not lost, it's just going to take us a while to break their stranglehold. Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chewie at wookimus.net Sat Nov 24 12:58:20 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ot: ROOMMATE WANTED In-Reply-To: <20011123114503.276d662e.blayer@qwest.net> References: <20011123114503.276d662e.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20011124121658.B2787@wookimus.net> On Fri, Nov 23, 2001 at 11:45:03AM -0600, Bill Layer wrote: > ROOMMATE WANTED: M/F 20-35 to share old (1870's) 2 story house in St. ... Ugh! If only you had posted this in August! Oh well. Good luck finding a roomie! -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011124/eed94fc2/attachment.pgp From chrome at real-time.com Sat Nov 24 13:31:31 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sharing video and main memory -- SGI style Message-ID: <20011124130832.B31156@real-time.com> so I've been reading up on SGI's architecture lately, and found this: http://www.sgi.com/o2/uma.html seems like a pretty cool idea... sharing the main memory between system and video, so you don't need to copy data from main memory to video memory, just pass a pointer to the data. cheaper x86-based systems have allocated main memory for the video subsystem in the past; but it's not quite the same thing. they just allocated a contiguous chunk of memory for video, at boot time; rather than actually *sharing* it. so if you wanted to access that memory, you needed to copy data from/to it, from system memory, through the video subsystem. (AFAIK). I have heard that the X-Box shares video memory with system memory... any chance it does something like truly shared memory? Or is it just the crappy old way to cut costs, by allocating a chunk for video, that isn't directly accessible to the CPU? I think this feature of the SGI O2 is one of the things they'll try to keep for IRIX... I'd be really surprised if Linux and XF86 could take advantage of this, any time soon. I'm sure it makes Quake2 look *really* good. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From mbresnah at visi.com Sat Nov 24 14:56:10 2001 From: mbresnah at visi.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Emacs and editing read-only configuration files In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You can edit read-only files in Emacs using the command toggle-read-only. Type "M-x toggle-read-only" where M-x is likely Alt-x. Off course, you cannot write to the file if you don't own it. Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of mcolivier > Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 8:47 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Emacs and editing read-only configuration files > > > Hello. > I want to edit some configuation files to see if I can get SAMBA > to work. I > have leanred to use Emacs, but I can't actually edit the > configuration file, > as it says I can do in the tutorial, because the configuratin file > (/etc/samba/smb.conf) is a read-only file. I've tried gettinginto > Emacs from > root, but I get weird error messages. > > The same kind of thing happens when I try to use Comanche to configure > Apache. All of this is happening off of SuSE Linux 7.3. Any suggestions? > Also, at the upcoming Installfest, is there likely to be anyone > there to help > me load and unload the hardware, as I will be there by myself. > > Marc Olivier > (See, I like linux so much I'm using kmail!) > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ray at lctn.k12.mn.us Sat Nov 24 15:52:09 2001 From: ray at lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] alias/virtualhost problems Message-ID: <009901c1752a$41d467c0$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> I am using RedHat 7.1 and a newer version of Apache. I am running Request Tracker on the same box. I tried to follow the docs on setting this up, but I have a glitch. Request Tracker is supposed to come up by entering http://domainname/rt2, Mrtg stuff is supposed to be viewed by http://domainname/mrtg. My normal web site is to come up by http://domainname.com. At this point Request Tracker comes up with http://domainname and http://domainname/rt2 and Mrtg images can be viewed at http://domainname/mrtg, but html docs cannot be pulled up. At this point my default web site does not come up regardless of what URL I enter. I would appreciate someone who can look at my httpd.conf, and help me straighten this out. Raymond Norton From josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org Sat Nov 24 16:42:45 2001 From: josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Emacs and editing read-only configuration files In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I've wondered about this. Occasionally some files will show up as 'read-only' in Emacs even when I have permissions to the file. Why does this happen? I recently figured out that M-x toggle-read-only exists by browsing the info pages. What a poor excuse for documentation. Yes, it's free. It's also darn hard to find the relevant docs. Joshua b. Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 http://www.greentechnologist.org On Sat, 24 Nov 2001, Mike Bresnahan wrote: > You can edit read-only files in Emacs using the command toggle-read-only. > Type "M-x toggle-read-only" where M-x is likely Alt-x. Off course, you > cannot write to the file if you don't own it. > > Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of mcolivier > > Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 8:47 AM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: [TCLUG] Emacs and editing read-only configuration files > > > > > > Hello. > > I want to edit some configuation files to see if I can get SAMBA > > to work. I > > have leanred to use Emacs, but I can't actually edit the > > configuration file, > > as it says I can do in the tutorial, because the configuratin file > > (/etc/samba/smb.conf) is a read-only file. I've tried gettinginto > > Emacs from > > root, but I get weird error messages. > > > > The same kind of thing happens when I try to use Comanche to configure > > Apache. All of this is happening off of SuSE Linux 7.3. Any suggestions? > > Also, at the upcoming Installfest, is there likely to be anyone > > there to help > > me load and unload the hardware, as I will be there by myself. > > > > Marc Olivier > > (See, I like linux so much I'm using kmail!) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8ABa7fexLsowstzcRAsQ0AKCCnXClrEWTpMK7kq2bWVTkuZkvyACfWX+V aUY89rBQxF+XDqtKNv1bJvI= =6Rxn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sextus at visi.com Sat Nov 24 16:52:02 2001 From: sextus at visi.com (Michael Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] alias/virtualhost problems In-Reply-To: <009901c1752a$41d467c0$a344a43f@xtratyme.com>; from Raymond Norton on Sat, Nov 24, 2001 at 02:54:47PM -0600 References: <009901c1752a$41d467c0$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> Message-ID: <20011124155757.A9752@visi.com> ON Sat, Nov 24, 2001 at 02:54:47PM -0600, Raymond Norton wrote: > I am using RedHat 7.1 and a newer version of Apache. I am running Request > Tracker on the same box. I tried to follow the docs on setting this up, but > I have a glitch. Request Tracker is supposed to come up by entering > http://domainname/rt2, Mrtg stuff is supposed to be viewed by > http://domainname/mrtg. My normal web site is to come up by > http://domainname.com. > > At this point Request Tracker comes up with http://domainname and > http://domainname/rt2 and Mrtg images can be viewed at > http://domainname/mrtg, but html docs cannot be pulled up. At this point my > default web site does not come up regardless of what URL I enter. > > I would appreciate someone who can look at my httpd.conf, and help me > straighten this out. Post it or send it to me and I'll take a look. -- Michael From lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu Sat Nov 24 16:53:48 2001 From: lueyb at gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu (Ben Luey) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] web s/key gen for telnet Message-ID: <20011124154157.S5617-100000@gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu> I've got this server that these users want telnet access to (err). The compromise we've reached is to allow telnet, but only with one-time passwords generated with s/key. So what I want to do is have people go to our web page, login over ssl and click a button to see their new one time code, which will expire in, say, 10 minutes (can s/key do that?). The web page will also let them generate a new seed for s/key. Has anyone done this, and ideas? I'm thinking of just having the the web page run (as httpd, I guess) sudo su -c $USER skey -s blah blah and outputting the results to the web page. Any ideas / concerns / programs that will do this for me? I've seen java OTP (s/key) calculators -- am I right that this is not what I'm looking for? Thanks, Ben From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sat Nov 24 16:55:45 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] alias/virtualhost problems In-Reply-To: <009901c1752a$41d467c0$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 24 Nov 2001, Raymond Norton wrote: > I am using RedHat 7.1 and a newer version of Apache. I am running Request > Tracker on the same box. I tried to follow the docs on setting this up, but > I have a glitch. Request Tracker is supposed to come up by entering > http://domainname/rt2, Mrtg stuff is supposed to be viewed by > http://domainname/mrtg. My normal web site is to come up by > http://domainname.com. I had the exact same problem with my Apache config, here is what i did to solve it: in the Virtual host section add the following directive: NameVirtualHost www.domainname.com and then add a virtual host for each of the main page, the mrtg and the rt2 > > At this point Request Tracker comes up with http://domainname and > http://domainname/rt2 and Mrtg images can be viewed at > http://domainname/mrtg, but html docs cannot be pulled up. At this point my > default web site does not come up regardless of what URL I enter. it apears to me that rt2 and mrtg are not really virtual hosts; they are more like directories of the main page, why not just use symlinks? -munir > > I would appreciate someone who can look at my httpd.conf, and help me > straighten this out. > > Raymond Norton From tl at assimilated.org Sat Nov 24 18:19:41 2001 From: tl at assimilated.org (tim lupfer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4.15/2.5 fs bug Message-ID: <20011124163446.A1172@assimilated.org> wow, I'm glad I'm typically too lazy to upgrade for at least 2 weeks after each release. http://slashdot.org/articles/01/11/24/1711245.shtml -- timothy r. lupfer tl@assimilated.org Familiarity breeds contempt--and children. -- Mark Twain -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 226 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011124/38b437f9/attachment.pgp From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sat Nov 24 18:26:24 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] web s/key gen for telnet In-Reply-To: <20011124154157.S5617-100000@gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu> Message-ID: why not teach them how to use SSH, if they are windows users then they can get Putty for free (google: putty: 1st hit) and it offers many features that regular windows telnet clients do not, (like a functional backspace) -munir On Sat, 24 Nov 2001, Ben Luey wrote: > I've got this server that these users want telnet access to (err). The > compromise we've reached is to allow telnet, but only with one-time > passwords generated with s/key. So what I want to do is have people go to > our web page, login over ssl and click a button to see their new one time > code, which will expire in, say, 10 minutes (can s/key do that?). The web > page will also let them generate a new seed for s/key. > > Has anyone done this, and ideas? I'm thinking of just having the the web > page run (as httpd, I guess) sudo su -c $USER skey -s blah blah and > outputting the results to the web page. Any ideas / concerns / programs > that will do this for me? > > I've seen java OTP (s/key) calculators -- am I right that this is not what > I'm looking for? > > Thanks, > > Ben > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- From mbresnah at visi.com Sat Nov 24 18:32:18 2001 From: mbresnah at visi.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Emacs and editing read-only configuration files In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Emacs is sensitive to RCS and will open a file read only if you don't have a lock on it. Other than that, I don't know what might be causing your problem. Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Joshua b. Jore > Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 1:53 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Emacs and editing read-only configuration files > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I've wondered about this. Occasionally some files will show up as > 'read-only' in Emacs even when I have permissions to the file. Why does > this happen? > > I recently figured out that M-x toggle-read-only exists by > browsing the info pages. What a poor excuse for documentation. Yes, it's > free. It's also darn hard to find the relevant docs. > > Joshua b. Jore > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > http://www.greentechnologist.org From josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org Sat Nov 24 20:49:53 2001 From: josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4.15/2.5 fs bug In-Reply-To: <20011124163446.A1172@assimilated.org> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Huh. . Yep, I'm still using 2.2.17 and even that is pretty up to date. That just um... last year's version about this time wasn't it? All this change for the sake of having highest rev of whatever probably isn't a good thing. Joshua b. Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 http://www.greentechnologist.org On Sat, 24 Nov 2001, tim lupfer wrote: > wow, I'm glad I'm typically too lazy to upgrade for at least 2 weeks > after each release. > > http://slashdot.org/articles/01/11/24/1711245.shtml > > -- > timothy r. lupfer tl@assimilated.org > Familiarity breeds contempt--and children. > -- Mark Twain > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8AFKifexLsowstzcRAjMDAJ41jvEYrK/qJu5/r2VHc/L10ODHqQCgoeXJ I5aTzrZr3vPl/JnTGBrtm+0= =UDWO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org Sat Nov 24 20:55:46 2001 From: jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org (Joseph Key) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] web s/key gen for telnet References: <20011124154157.S5617-100000@gridley.ACNS.Carleton.edu> Message-ID: <004901c17555$fc830740$0139a8c0@tomobiki.dyndns.org> There is no way to talk then into using ssh. If they are on windows machines they can use putty or teraterm with the ssh extension. Joseph Key ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Luey" To: Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 3:58 PM Subject: [TCLUG] web s/key gen for telnet > I've got this server that these users want telnet access to (err). The > compromise we've reached is to allow telnet, but only with one-time > passwords generated with s/key. So what I want to do is have people go to > our web page, login over ssl and click a button to see their new one time > code, which will expire in, say, 10 minutes (can s/key do that?). The web > page will also let them generate a new seed for s/key. > > Has anyone done this, and ideas? I'm thinking of just having the the web > page run (as httpd, I guess) sudo su -c $USER skey -s blah blah and > outputting the results to the web page. Any ideas / concerns / programs > that will do this for me? > > I've seen java OTP (s/key) calculators -- am I right that this is not what > I'm looking for? > > Thanks, > > Ben > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org Sat Nov 24 20:57:48 2001 From: josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Emacs and editing read-only configuration files In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 RCS? What is that? As far as I'm aware only one process at a time has had a lock on the file. I could, however, be wrong (though probably not) Joshua b. Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 http://www.greentechnologist.org On Sat, 24 Nov 2001, Mike Bresnahan wrote: > Emacs is sensitive to RCS and will open a file read only if you don't have a > lock on it. Other than that, I don't know what might be causing your > problem. > > Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Joshua b. Jore > > Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 1:53 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Emacs and editing read-only configuration files > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > I've wondered about this. Occasionally some files will show up as > > 'read-only' in Emacs even when I have permissions to the file. Why does > > this happen? > > > > I recently figured out that M-x toggle-read-only exists by > > browsing the info pages. What a poor excuse for documentation. Yes, it's > > free. It's also darn hard to find the relevant docs. > > > > Joshua b. Jore > > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > > http://www.greentechnologist.org > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8AFRyfexLsowstzcRAnu/AKDZFnjlX0QLYSHf2EX7864atKuadgCg0OSa Mqjd0Da6P4LtrMDotIzZYbk= =z/6j -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From marc at ds6.net Sat Nov 24 22:54:09 2001 From: marc at ds6.net (Marc A. Ohmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4.15/2.5 fs bug In-Reply-To: <20011124163446.A1172@assimilated.org>; from tl@assimilated.org on Sat, Nov 24, 2001 at 04:34:46PM -0600 References: <20011124163446.A1172@assimilated.org> Message-ID: <20011124222415.A26773@flanders.digsol.net> On Sat, Nov 24, 2001 at 04:34:46PM -0600, tim lupfer wrote: > wow, I'm glad I'm typically too lazy to upgrade for at least 2 weeks > after each release. > > http://slashdot.org/articles/01/11/24/1711245.shtml While everyone on slashdot is complaining about bugs in stable releases, I see these oversights as linux and the bazaar's greates moments. Within 1 hour of the first report of inode problems, a patch is released to lklm -- only 13 hours after the official release. Within 24 hours of the first patch there is a heated debate which resulted in more patches and a _fixed_ 16-pre1 release. All this on Marcelo's first day maintaining. Its incredible how much people complain about _free_ services. -- Marc A. Ohmann Digital Solutions, Inc http://ds6.net marc@ds6.net From tl at assimilated.org Sun Nov 25 10:47:56 2001 From: tl at assimilated.org (tim lupfer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4.15/2.5 fs bug In-Reply-To: <20011124222415.A26773@flanders.digsol.net>; from marc@ds6.net on Sat, Nov 24, 2001 at 10:24:15PM -0600 References: <20011124163446.A1172@assimilated.org> <20011124222415.A26773@flanders.digsol.net> Message-ID: <20011125092157.C1732@assimilated.org> On Nov 24 at 10:24PM Marc A. Ohmann wrote: [...] > While everyone on slashdot is complaining about bugs in stable > releases, I see these oversights as linux and the bazaar's greates > moments. Within 1 hour of the first report of inode problems, a > patch is released to lklm -- only 13 hours after the official > release. Within 24 hours of the first patch there is a heated > debate which resulted in more patches and a _fixed_ 16-pre1 > release. All this on Marcelo's first day maintaining. > Its incredible how much people complain about _free_ services. That's all wonderful in an idealistic world, but the fact remains that it is because of all of its merits that it's being used in 'mission critical' places. In those places it is often easier for admins to keep up with the stable kernel rather than its changelog. It just seems that these things shouldn't be happening in a *stable* kernel series. Just my 2 cents. If anyone disagrees with this to a point of flaming me, feel free to do so off the list. -- timothy r. lupfer tl@assimilated.org Familiarity breeds contempt--and children. -- Mark Twain -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From phil at rephil.org Sun Nov 25 11:22:30 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SGI and the Itanic In-Reply-To: <20011124120824.E28452@real-time.com>; from Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom on Sat, Nov 24, 2001 at 12:08:29PM -0600 References: <20011124120824.E28452@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011125102548.C6375@rephil.org> On Sat, Nov 24, 2001 at 12:08:29PM -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > here's something that's been nagging at me; and maybe those who know more > about SGI can answer this. > I think the world will be poorer, for the lack of competition in processor > designs... Intel has a pretty big stake in the status quo; the shakeup > involved in going to the IA64 architecture has lost them ground to AMD. > without Alpha, MIPS, and PA-RISC processor teams working away; will we see > less innovation in the processor world? there'll certainly continue to be > research at universities, and independent groups; but with Intel holding an > even larger monopoly on processor markets, there may be less chance of new > processor designs making it to market. Carl, you're perceptive to pick up on this thread, but it's worse than you think. If you go search google in like comp.os.vms, comp.sys.dec, and some of the other ones, you'll find much enlightening discussion buried undere lots of FUD, dating back to the June 25th announcement to kill Alpha. Not only is it greatly reducing the competitive market, but it's throwing the baby out with the bath water. First off, they are 10 years behind the curve. MIPS has been 64-bit since '92. HP-RISC goes back about that far. SPARC is 5-10 years into it. What else? IBM's had 64-bit for 5-10 years. Alpha has been going 64-bit since really about '89 or so. Secondly, there exists on Compaq's website (don't have the URL, but it has been widely popularized of late and should be fairly easy to turn up there or on someone's site) an engineering report detailing how and why the Itanic cannot match, much less exceed, the performance of the EV8 Alpha which was killed in dev. One rumor was that Intel bought Alpha and the Alpha design teams because they can't make Itanic competitive without help. What better way to compete than to hire the competition and buy their competing product? I can't say that there are any teeth to this rumor, but it has never been dispelled by anyone. If you search usenet, look for posts from (Brandon?) Batson, an Alpha engineer that let some interesting details slip. > I think Linux, and other Open Source software is the tool with which to > break processor architecture monopolies. As much as I would like to agree, I don't think I can. What open source will do is allow us oddball geeks -- and I should know: I have *lots* of non-Intel hardware in the basement! -- to keep using things that are no longer considered commercially viable by the manufacturer. But new sales are driven by applications, and I can't think of a real-world application that can't be run on Intel. So the marketing pukes tout "industry standardization" and the developers and users have no motivation to be different. So it goes. > with Linux, if someone comes out with a new processor design (take a > look at http://www.f-cpu.de/), and convinces hardware makers to build > compatible hardware; it's possible to just port the OS and compiler, > recompile your Linux apps, and it's as easy to run on the new processor as > the old one. OK, but the thing is it takes millions of dollars to "come out with a new processor design." Even if the design work could be done like a "free" system, someone has to spend a lot of money on fab. The thing about Alpha and now Itanic is that the fab engineering (building smaller faster silicon) is at least, maybe slightly more, than half of the battle. Getting people to build boxes around a chip is nowhere near as tough -- I think that could be done. But big money has big inertia. HP killed off PA-RISC to deal with the Compaq merger, and Alpha's gone too. > so I guess I'm saying that even if Intel takes over even more of the > processor market; all hope is not lost, it's just going to take us a while > to break their stranglehold. "While there's life, there's hope." The fact that you can walk over to MicroCenter and play with a NEC sub-laptop running on a Transmeta Crusoe is one ray of hope. (I didn't notice if it was running Linux, though...) -- I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. From marc at ds6.net Sun Nov 25 12:18:23 2001 From: marc at ds6.net (Marc A. Ohmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4.15/2.5 fs bug In-Reply-To: <20011125092157.C1732@assimilated.org>; from tl@assimilated.org on Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 09:21:57AM -0600 References: <20011124163446.A1172@assimilated.org> <20011124222415.A26773@flanders.digsol.net> <20011125092157.C1732@assimilated.org> Message-ID: <20011125113424.A8163@flanders.digsol.net> > That's all wonderful in an idealistic world, but the fact remains > that it is because of all of its merits that it's being used in > 'mission critical' places. In those places it is often easier for > admins to keep up with the stable kernel rather than its changelog. > It just seems that these things shouldn't be happening in a *stable* > kernel series. Just my 2 cents. If anyone disagrees with this to a > point of flaming me, feel free to do so off the list. Its a great debate but who does everyone expect to do the testing? In this model the early adopters are the testers. Linus only tests code for _his_ machine if he compiles it at all. What happened is obviously an accident but before people complain they should download, test, report and offer something productive or simply don't complain. If someone doesn't like the way the branch is maintained fork. Complaining and not downloading the most recent releases is probably the most unproductive thing a person could do. The money in open source lies with the administrators and consultants. Now if Red Hat had released this then there would be a place to complain. My original post wasn't directed at you in particular. I meant it more for the common slashdot idiot -- its just easier to hold a _productive_ debate on this channel. -- Marc A. Ohmann Digital Solutions, Inc http://ds6.net marc@ds6.net From jpschewe at mtu.net Sun Nov 25 14:23:30 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4.15/2.5 fs bug In-Reply-To: <20011125113424.A8163@flanders.digsol.net> References: <20011124163446.A1172@assimilated.org> <20011124222415.A26773@flanders.digsol.net> <20011125092157.C1732@assimilated.org> <20011125113424.A8163@flanders.digsol.net> Message-ID: "Marc A. Ohmann" writes: > Its a great debate but who does everyone expect to do the testing? In this model the early adopters are the testers. Linus only tests code for _his_ machine if he compiles it at all. What happened is obviously an accident but before people complain they should download, test, report and offer something productive or simply don't complain. If someone doesn't like the way the branch is maintained fork. I tend to agree with you here, but it seems in the recent past there have been a couple of serious bugs, breaking USB support in the early 2.4.x kernels, 2.4.11 and 2.4.15, in the stable branch. I've been following the stable branch for about 5 years and I don't remember such serious bugs appearing in this branch until recently. Maybe it's because things in the kernel are getting that much more complex, but I don't want to have to do the same thing with kernels that I do with RedHat distributions; wait for the next couple of versions to make sure all the bugs are worked out, this is what I thought the development branch was for (I could be wrong here). > Complaining and not downloading the most recent releases is probably the most unproductive thing a person could do. Oh I've downloaded it and compiled it and had just booted it when I saw the post on Slashdot. Had I not read that right away I could've lost data, which I might expect from a development kernel, but not in the stable branch. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From jpschewe at mtu.net Sun Nov 25 14:29:24 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pinball for Linux? Message-ID: Anyone seen any pinball games for Linux? I'm having a real tough time finding some and don't want to have to go back to DOS, or even my Apple for them. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From mbresnah at visi.com Sun Nov 25 14:35:16 2001 From: mbresnah at visi.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Emacs and editing read-only configuration files In-Reply-To: Message-ID: RCS = Revision Control System It's a version control system common to UNIX. I think it came out of Berkeley. PVCS cloned it and CVS is built on top of it. Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Joshua b. Jore > Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 6:16 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Emacs and editing read-only configuration files > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > RCS? What is that? As far as I'm aware only one process at a time has had > a lock on the file. I could, however, be wrong (though probably not) > > Joshua b. Jore > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > http://www.greentechnologist.org From marc at ds6.net Sun Nov 25 17:35:36 2001 From: marc at ds6.net (Marc A. Ohmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4.15/2.5 fs bug In-Reply-To: ; from jpschewe@mtu.net on Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 01:37:32PM -0600 References: <20011124163446.A1172@assimilated.org> <20011124222415.A26773@flanders.digsol.net> <20011125092157.C1732@assimilated.org> <20011125113424.A8163@flanders.digsol.net> Message-ID: <20011125163153.A8425@flanders.digsol.net> > > Complaining and not downloading the most recent releases is probably the most unproductive thing a person could do. > > Oh I've downloaded it and compiled it and had just booted it when I saw the > post on Slashdot. Had I not read that right away I could've lost data, which > I might expect from a development kernel, but not in the stable branch. I had 2.5.0 running on two machines I build Andrea's patch and rebooted. The next day I built 16-pre1 and everything is fine. The corruption was nothing fsck couldn't fix -- If there was any at all. I didn't hear of anyone actually losing data. Of course one was my laptop which is disposable since everything important is kept on the fileserver running 2.2.20 and the other was a test server that I've been playing with. I am a little more daring with those machines. The whole stable, testing, devel argument is a good one also. If 2.4.x was stable, then what was 2.2.20? In my mind 2.4.x wasn't stable because Linus was maintaining it. 2.2.x was the stable branch. Linus maintains devel kernels and recently has made a point of proving that. hrm scrapping a VM... There is the argument that he only moved to 2.4.x because everyone was afraid of 2.3.x and there weren't enough people running it. Not because 2.4.x was stable. Anyhow, I'm sure a lot of people will think twice before knee-jerk compiles. :-) -- Marc A. Ohmann Digital Solutions, Inc http://ds6.net marc@ds6.net From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Sun Nov 25 22:03:41 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Compaq 1235, PCMCIA-CS, and kernels newer than 2.4.2 Message-ID: Well, finialy found a bit of time to repartition my laptop (got rid of windows so there is more room for debian) so now that I have enough space to go from Progeny to Woody I have done so. But still I have this problem. I can't bet PCMCIA working on anything newer than 2.4.2. 2.2.19 works, 2.4.2 works, but I've had no luck with 2.4.6, 2.4.9, or 2.4.14. What I get is: Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including inva lid IO or IRQ parameters /lib/modules/2.4.14-k6/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/ds.o: init_module: Operation not permitted /lib/modules/2.4.14-k6/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/ds.o: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.14-k6/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/ds.o failed /lib/modules/2.4.14-k6/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/ds.o: insmod 3c574_cs failed As you can see, I'm using the prepackaged 2.4.14 kernel. But I have compiled my own 2.4.2, 2.4.6, and 2.4.9 kernels. In need of tips, suggestions, etc. Thanks all. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "I MIGHT be DANGEROUS!" --The Tick From mbutler2 at mmm.com Sun Nov 25 22:52:29 2001 From: mbutler2 at mmm.com (mbutler2@mmm.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SGI and the Itanic Message-ID: In relation to the below, I do have a question, If HP is killing off PA-RISC, why did they kill off a number of core guys on the IA-64 project? A bit ago on slashdot, there was a post about the closing of the NewJersey facility and the dropping of some 120 or so kernel developers. Not penny ante guys, deep guys with lots of years in, most were rumored to be working on the Intel port of HP-UX. Now, we work closely with HP at my work, and the rumors I've gotten from our guys are that Tru-64 is out, they are looking to HP-UX on Intel (not strongly, but someday), and they are keeping PA-RISC as the primary in order to avoid what Sun and Intel went through, because HP can "do what they like", because of their size (not my words). I also see Sun keeping Sparc, it wouldn't make much monetary sense to just can that architecture, especially for an arch that most of Sun seems to see as substandard. I also see SGI keeping MIPS, they thought about spinning MIPS off a few years ago, and then they realized how much taht could hurt them internally, so they didn't do it. I don't think all of teh vendors *want* a single architecture, they see from SGI's mistakes in marketing to the commodity market at proprietary rates (that's the main reason the early SGI Intel boxes died out, no one would pay $5K for a standard Intel Pent III with a really wicked, but proprietary, video (now without drivers)). That did not go unnoticed. So, I see the archs hanging around for quite some time, and if for no other reason than they do certain things very well and their OSes run best on them. There is no plan to take IRIX to Intel, they will prolly look at 64-bit linux, but that's about it, and it may or may not be the flagship. I don't see Sun using Intel outside of trying to attract new laptop customers into the OS, or new customers, period. I also think that HP feels that they are enough to keep PA-RISC around, but that is just what I hear from my sources at HP, they like the OS and they have invested a lot in the architecture, their name in Intel circles is MUD, but I don't know how the whole merger deal will turn out. I will say that if they drop HP-UX, you will see a LOT of businesses scrambling, and I don't think HP will let that happen to their market share, especially if they know that a lot of those clients will switch to Sun as opposed to buy Linux, even from HP. That's just the facts of corporate IT, and sad as it is, it's true. The company I work for would rather not change from what they use now, but if they had to, they'd look for another partner like HP, and not one that was peddling something that was labeled in the trade rags as "almost" ready for the data center. I jsut see that as too big of a market for HP to lose. Gracias, mbutler Getting people to build boxes around a chip is nowhere near as tough -- I think that could be done. But big money has big inertia. HP killed off PA-RISC to deal with the Compaq merger, and Alpha's gone too. From mbutler2 at mmm.com Sun Nov 25 23:05:56 2001 From: mbutler2 at mmm.com (mbutler2@mmm.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Nixed for Linux: ILM to replace SGI w/Linux Message-ID: Hi all- > but that's a hardware issue. no reason you couldn't get Linux to >bang on that hardware. In fact, I'm sure SGI already is doing so. I think they may have some machines running that, but from what I have gotten from SGI, they have every intention of keeping IRIX on MIPS and Linux on Intel. ANd they have been very effective at doing so, witness the Indigo2's, and their lack of a Linux distro that runs a desktop. I'm sure there is interest, jsut like any place you have engineers, hell, put two hardware engineers in a room with two flashlights and some duct tape, and they'll make a new architecture and have it in production before you get back from lunch. I see it at my vendors as well, they have the rare engineer I get to talk to, and he'll have Linux up on his desktop, and he'll have the product fully functional on Linux with most of the major bugs out, and then he'll tell me that I can't have it, becasue he's not allowed to let it out. Kinda like being told tomorrow is Christmas, but you have to stay in your room. >-- some people are willing to pay for that extra bit of performance that big >iron offers. the question then becomes, what OS will run it? I think that >Linux will eventually be able to take over a lot of the hardware that >commercial *nixes run now. I think I disagree here, you'll always see the vendors get the most out of the proprietary stuff with their own OSes, and I think this comes from my ideas about generalization. You can produce something to work in most places fairly well, or you can produce something that works one place, but excessively better than anything else. That's what I see in OSes, while this is not an opinion of the Linux faithful, the vendors seem to always get better numbers out of their own hardware than "outside" OSes. Now, Intel is more of a level playing field,a nd being pretty much the default, Linux does excessively well on Intel in certain instances (many, ok, I said many). So, I'm not the hardware freak I'd like to be, and I'm not sure technically why the vendors have such an edge, but from my experience, they do. Thanks, and I hope to see responses as to why, or why not, the vendors are better on thier own turf, mbutler From phil at rephil.org Sun Nov 25 23:09:54 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Compaq 1235, PCMCIA-CS, and kernels newer than 2.4.2 In-Reply-To: ; from Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) on Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 09:43:41PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011125222822.A7366@rephil.org> On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 09:43:41PM -0600, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > Well, finialy found a bit of time to repartition my laptop (got rid of > windows so there is more room for debian) so now that I have enough space > to go from Progeny to Woody I have done so. > > But still I have this problem. I can't bet PCMCIA working on anything > newer than 2.4.2. 2.2.19 works, 2.4.2 works, but I've had no luck > with 2.4.6, 2.4.9, or 2.4.14. > > What I get is: > Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including inva > lid IO or IRQ parameters > /lib/modules/2.4.14-k6/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/ds.o: > init_module: Operation not permitted > /lib/modules/2.4.14-k6/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/ds.o: > insmod /lib/modules/2.4.14-k6/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/ds.o failed > /lib/modules/2.4.14-k6/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/ds.o: insmod 3c574_cs failed > > As you can see, I'm using the prepackaged 2.4.14 kernel. But I have > compiled my own 2.4.2, 2.4.6, and 2.4.9 kernels. > > In need of tips, suggestions, etc. Thanks all. The following quote from an e-mail I got regarding some custom boot disks for my OmniBook 500 suggests that there was a change in the pcmcia modules, and that may be what you're on to. I don't know what to do about it, but maybe it means that you're not going crazy. This looks like a problem with the boot floppies. I just examined that code and I see that it is designed to work with the older external pcmcia-cs modules; but the 2.4 kernels I build use the newer internal modules. There is no pcmcia_core module in this configuration. -- I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. From djp at visi.com Sun Nov 25 23:12:54 2001 From: djp at visi.com (Doug Pomerenke) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help, Ximian GNOME, Restoring GNOME settings Message-ID: <1006749935.4616.3.camel@dornier> On my freshly installed RedHat 7.2, I installed Ximian Red Carpet, GNOME, Desktop, and Evolution. Red Carpet and Evolution are GREAT! But, when I logged in again for the first time, I got this Ximian configuration dialog wizard. I selected some of the Ximian GNOME settings, and I don't like them at all. All the launchers I added to the Panel are gone. I want back all the launchers that are default in RedHat 7.2. in addition to the ones I added. I read in the Ximian GNOME Help to run 'doorman-reset' in order to do this, it didn't restore anything. Does anyone know how to get them back? Thanks in advance. From jack at jacku.com Sun Nov 25 23:51:02 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] editing configuration files. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01112523040300.00851@geezer> On Saturday 24 November 2001 11:47, you wrote: > After a little exploration, I found out how to edit configuration files > manually, but I've read enough to know that (with SuSE) I need to do some > other things after I've edited. I'm just not sure what. So, I noticed SuSE > has something called YAST and YAST2, but neither one seems to address what > I want to work with (Samba and Apache). So, does anyone know the exact > steps I take after editing a configuration file (e.g., how do I run > SuSE.config?) > > Marc From seg at haxxed.mine.nu Mon Nov 26 00:57:34 2001 From: seg at haxxed.mine.nu (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Nixed for Linux: ILM to replace SGI w/Linux References: <20011124114041.C28452@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3C01E048.8050305@haxxed.mine.nu> > > > > AFAIK, that involves being able to run on a ccNUMA architecture. > There's a difference between running on NUMA, and running *efficiently* on NUMA... From veldy at veldy.net Mon Nov 26 08:27:30 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4.15/2.5 fs bug References: <20011124163446.A1172@assimilated.org> Message-ID: <003401c17681$5a77e470$3028680a@tgt.com> I am beginning to give up hope of EVER having a stable kernel with out MAJOR bugs in the 2.4 series of Linux. What the hell is Linus doing these days for development -- testing out in 2.4? Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "tim lupfer" To: Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 4:34 PM Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4.15/2.5 fs bug wow, I'm glad I'm typically too lazy to upgrade for at least 2 weeks after each release. http://slashdot.org/articles/01/11/24/1711245.shtml From jhawley at bgea.org Mon Nov 26 09:38:24 2001 From: jhawley at bgea.org (John Hawley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] netfilter & IIS/WLBS Message-ID: <3C025924.D7E7A346@bgea.org> Hi. I've a firewall running Netfilter/iptables 1.2.3-2 on Linux 2.4.13. Does anyone know of any issues / incompatabilities with Webservers running IISv5 on multiple NT machines with "Window Load Balancing Software"? The web sites run off their own IP's (about 30 of them) and some sites/ip's route through the firewall while others don't. However if they take one of the two "clustered" machines down, then everything appears to work correctly. Iptables rules treat all these website ip's the same. I know this is sketchy .. I was just wondering, generally, if there are any gotcha's with this setup that anyones heard of. (I'm thinking maybe something with the connection tracking and the webservers doing redirection between each other??) I couldn't find any mention of this problem in the Netfilter list archives, so I'm hoping its just a misconfiguration on the NT's. Thanks. -- John Hawley BGEA/ITS <=> Network Admin 612.335.1334 jhawley@bgea.org From hvidsl at parknicollet.com Mon Nov 26 09:49:28 2001 From: hvidsl at parknicollet.com (Hvidsten, Leif) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Emacs and editing read-only configuration files Message-ID: RCS is similiar to SCCS for UNIX (SCO flavor at least) is it not? SCCS = Source Code Control System. > > RCS = Revision Control System > > It's a version control system common to UNIX. I think it came out of > Berkeley. PVCS cloned it and CVS is built on top of it. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Joshua b. Jore > > Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 6:16 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Emacs and editing read-only configuration files > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > RCS? What is that? As far as I'm aware only one process at > a time has had > > a lock on the file. I could, however, be wrong (though probably not) > > > > Joshua b. Jore > > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > > http://www.greentechnologist.org > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > PRIVACY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain business confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If this e-mail was not intended for you, please notify the sender by reply e-mail that you received this in error. Destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Mon Nov 26 10:39:31 2001 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Emacs and editing read-only configuration files In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15362.24601.922835.799413@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> >>>>> "JbJ" == Joshua b Jore writes: JbJ> I recently figured out that M-x toggle-read-only JbJ> exists by browsing the info pages. What a poor excuse for JbJ> documentation. Yes, it's free. It's also darn hard to find JbJ> the relevant docs. I'm not sure I understand. What's the problem with having to browse the info pages? Those are the primary documentation for (X)emacs? Is your objection that the info files are poorly organized? There's always M-x help apropos... R From bradyh at bitstream.net Mon Nov 26 10:53:24 2001 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help, Ximian GNOME, Restoring GNOME settings In-Reply-To: <1006749935.4616.3.camel@dornier> References: <1006749935.4616.3.camel@dornier> Message-ID: <1006789688.26614.4.camel@lis.llewellyn.com> I never tried to recover panel settings after using the setup wizard but you might check and see if there are any files that look like backups under ~/.gnome I'd assume it puts your old files somewhere before making it's changes. Brady > On my freshly installed RedHat 7.2, I installed Ximian Red Carpet, > GNOME, Desktop, and Evolution. Red Carpet and Evolution are GREAT! > > But, > > when I logged in again for the first time, I got this Ximian > configuration dialog wizard. I selected some of the Ximian GNOME > settings, and I don't like them at all. All the launchers I added to the > Panel are gone. I want back all the launchers that are default in RedHat > 7.2. in addition to the ones I added. I read in the Ximian GNOME Help to > run 'doorman-reset' in order to do this, it didn't restore anything. > Does anyone know how to get them back? > > Thanks in advance. From chrome at real-time.com Mon Nov 26 12:18:12 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Nixed for Linux: ILM to replace SGI w/Linux In-Reply-To: <3C01E048.8050305@haxxed.mine.nu>; from seg@haxxed.mine.nu on Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 12:25:12AM -0600 References: <20011124114041.C28452@real-time.com> <3C01E048.8050305@haxxed.mine.nu> Message-ID: <20011126103537.C31071@real-time.com> > > AFAIK, that involves being able to run on a ccNUMA architecture. > > > > There's a difference between running on NUMA, and running *efficiently* > on NUMA... I think I said as much in the sentence after that one. :) if you dig around on the SGI website (the 'Open Source' section); they do indeed have some results from a 128-proc linux machine. yes, it runs; no, it's not very efficient. doesn't scale very well to multiple processors, when dealing with I/O-bound tasks. (in fact, it's pretty bad at multiple 'bonnie' processes). for processor-bound tasks, it's not bad tho. I still think it'll eventually get a lot better; but I'll admit that IRIX on MIPS on SGI's hardware, may always be able to beat Linux on MIPS on SGI's hardware, for really big ( hundreds of procs ) systems. considering that SGI is talking about building IA64 'bricks' for their Origin systems, so customers can run Linux on them, the future of big SGI installations is starting to look really hazy in places... Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From mbresnah at visi.com Mon Nov 26 12:21:38 2001 From: mbresnah at visi.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Emacs and editing read-only configuration files In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Both SCCS and RCS perform the same function and are common to UNIX, but they work differently internally and have different interfaces. I think SCCS was developed at AT&T while RCS came out of Berkeley, but my memory may be wrong. RCS made it to Linux (GNU RCS), but I'm not sure about SCCS. Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Hvidsten, Leif > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 6:37 AM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Emacs and editing read-only configuration files > > > > RCS is similiar to SCCS for UNIX (SCO flavor at least) is it not? > SCCS = Source Code Control System. > > > > RCS = Revision Control System > > > > It's a version control system common to UNIX. I think it came out of > > Berkeley. PVCS cloned it and CVS is built on top of it. > > > > Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Joshua b. Jore > > > Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 6:16 PM > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Emacs and editing read-only configuration files > > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > RCS? What is that? As far as I'm aware only one process at > > a time has had > > > a lock on the file. I could, however, be wrong (though probably not) > > > > > > Joshua b. Jore > > > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > > > http://www.greentechnologist.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > PRIVACY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, > is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain > business confidential and privileged information. Any > unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is > prohibited. If this e-mail was not intended for you, please > notify the sender by reply e-mail that you received this in > error. Destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From John.Miller at rbcdain.com Mon Nov 26 15:01:30 2001 From: John.Miller at rbcdain.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Monitor Message-ID: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940164AEDA@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> My monitor has started to act funny. Whenever the computer starts and runs through the post, the display is shifted to the right and the corners curved in. Once it is done with the post the display is fine. When I start X, I have to adjust the display to the left, expand it, and straighten the corners using the monitor menu. Any ideas as to what is causing this. John Miller RBC Dain Rauscher Information Services - Capital Markets Software Developer Phone: 612-547-7573 Fax: 612-547-7580 IS - Mail Stop: T23 New E-mail Address: MailTo:john.miller@rbcdain.com From fertch at mninter.net Mon Nov 26 16:37:02 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] EISA slots and linux Message-ID: <200111262144.fAQLiaT11055@sprite.real-time.com> Okay, so I've got this old server with EISA slots. I keep hearing that Linux doesn't support EISA systems very well. Is this true, if so is there a distro that has this figured out now? If not, what other options do I have to use for an OS? It's a dual pentium system, 128 MB ram, 5 internal scsi drives (either 500MB or 1GB each), as well as two external scsi drives, tape drive, cdrom. There's no IDE drives in there currently. Thanks, Shawn From ray at lctn.k12.mn.us Mon Nov 26 16:39:22 2001 From: ray at lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rookie sendmail questions Message-ID: <014b01c176c4$f0885a60$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> I have Sendmail working on my RedHat 7.1 box. I configured it using the sendmail-install script. At the time I added a couple users when it asked for the info. I have looked around for a tool to add users, but have not found anything. What program would I use for this. From fish at slava.net Mon Nov 26 16:49:26 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mutt "From" header line Message-ID: <20011126145043.A616@slava.net> When I reply to an email, I want my address to show as whatever address the person wrote to me under. I thought I had it set up to do this, but adding my_hdr From ... seems to override it. Is there anyway to have it do this and also have it just show my first name? Why doesn't set realname="Lorry" work? I have multiple email addresses that forward to one place, and I want to keep the replies consistent because when I don't, people think they have to send messages to all my email addresses and I get emails 10 times over. I thought setting up the reply address this way would be easier than a signature file explaining why you shouldn't send me the same email to more than one address. :) Right now I have it set up where I can edit the From line when I write the message, but it would be nice if it selected the right address automatically. Anyone know how to do this? Thanks!! Lorry From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Nov 26 17:00:04 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dongles for 3com PCMCIA cards Message-ID: <20011126220256.92CCD4446@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> Anyone else in need of one? Last time I found one it cost as much to ship the damn thing as it did to buy it. So if you need one, speak up. Maybe we can work out a "bulk" order or something. If you know of a place that carries them and has resonable shipping, speak up as well. :) -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org/~zibby Bender: You just think that robots are machines built by humans to make their lifes easier. Fry: Well, aren't they? Bender: I've never made anyone's life easier and you know it! From loren at ensodex.com Mon Nov 26 17:40:51 2001 From: loren at ensodex.com (Loren Cahlander) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dell offering red hat References: <3BFA780F.84D2692B@megsinet.net> <20011120105338.337e90f6.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <0ce3c44250315b1FE7@mail7.mn.rr.com> <20011121000032.3ea18421.rudie@sihope.com> <20011121225653.A20572@flanders.digsol.net> Message-ID: <3C025E50.5000009@ensodex.com> Marc A. Ohmann wrote: >>"I just wanna buy a damn laptop!" >>-Kevin >> > >When I tried to buy a vaio from Best Buy (Richfield) they refused to sell it to me if I didn't sign up for one year *free* msn. I walked out pissed off and without a laptop. They not only force you into buying the OS now, they force you into the isp! > Try the Audio King in Woodbury. I think that you will find better customer service there. From rechpj at bitstream.net Mon Nov 26 20:41:21 2001 From: rechpj at bitstream.net (Paul Rech) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dongles for 3com PCMCIA cards In-Reply-To: <20011126220256.92CCD4446@slnx03.cs.umn.edu>; from zibby+tclug@ringworld.org on Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 04:02:55PM -0600 References: <20011126220256.92CCD4446@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011126192958.A792@bitstream.net> On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 04:02:55PM -0600, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > Anyone else in need of one? Last time I found one it cost as much to ship the > damn thing as it did to buy it. So if you need one, speak up. Maybe we can > work out a "bulk" order or something. > > If you know of a place that carries them and has resonable shipping, speak up > as well. :) Ebay. -- Paul Rech pauljrech@acm.org rechpj@bitstream.net prsyscon@real-time.com From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Mon Nov 26 20:43:27 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dongles for 3com PCMCIA cards In-Reply-To: <20011126220256.92CCD4446@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: I may be in need of one, are the "one size fits all"? and how much are they? -munir On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > Anyone else in need of one? Last time I found one it cost as much to ship the > damn thing as it did to buy it. So if you need one, speak up. Maybe we can > work out a "bulk" order or something. > > If you know of a place that carries them and has resonable shipping, speak up > as well. :) > > -- From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Nov 26 21:51:45 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: rookie sendmail questions In-Reply-To: <014b01c176c4$f0885a60$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> References: <014b01c176c4$f0885a60$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> Message-ID: <20011126184511.G16480@ringworld.org> * Raymond Norton [011126 16:44]: > I have Sendmail working on my RedHat 7.1 box. I configured it using the > sendmail-install script. At the time I added a couple users when it asked There are a few parts to a mail system. The MTA you allready chose, Sendmail. THe MTA is responsible for moving mail between hosts. (Mail Transfer Agent) The MDA is the local-delivery-agent, its able to look at a config file and do filtering based on that for the entire system and/or individual users. Procmail does this. The MUA is the mail-user-agent. Sometimes this is merely POP/IMAP based, sometimes its something like mutt (local MUA using a mailspool in /var/mail). In any case, My recommendations are: uw-imap and its ipop3d, both running to only accept SSL based connections so you dont give out passwords in the clear. squirrelmail setup on a SSL webserver for web-mail. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From chrome at real-time.com Mon Nov 26 22:27:11 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Monitor In-Reply-To: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940164AEDA@MAIL4.corp.isib.net>; from John.Miller@rbcdain.com on Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 02:02:47PM -0600 References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940164AEDA@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Message-ID: <20011126213536.A13356@real-time.com> On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 02:02:47PM -0600, Miller, John wrote: > My monitor has started to act funny. Whenever the computer starts and > runs through the post, the display is shifted to the right and the > corners curved in. Once it is done with the post the display is fine. > When I start X, I have to adjust the display to the left, expand it, and > straighten the corners using the monitor menu. > > Any ideas as to what is causing this. have you degaussed it? do you have any strong magnetic fields near your monitor? I got a 21" monitor that had a pretty badly warped display at first; but did get better over time; so I suspect something to do with differing magnetic conditions between where it had been, and where I put it. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Mon Nov 26 22:29:32 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dongles for 3com PCMCIA cards In-Reply-To: <20011126220256.92CCD4446@slnx03.cs.umn.edu>; from zibby+tclug@ringworld.org on Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 04:02:55PM -0600 References: <20011126220256.92CCD4446@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011126213700.B13356@real-time.com> On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 04:02:55PM -0600, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > Anyone else in need of one? Last time I found one it cost as much to ship the > damn thing as it did to buy it. So if you need one, speak up. Maybe we can > work out a "bulk" order or something. > > If you know of a place that carries them and has resonable shipping, speak up > as well. :) I just bought one at compgeeks.com for $3.50. it's a no-name knockoff (isn't even a link light on it); but it does work. Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Mon Nov 26 22:36:08 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] EISA slots and linux In-Reply-To: <200111262144.fAQLiaT11055@sprite.real-time.com>; from fertch@mninter.net on Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 04:24:12PM -0600 References: <200111262144.fAQLiaT11055@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011126214437.C13356@real-time.com> > Okay, so I've got this old server with EISA slots. I keep hearing that Linux > doesn't support EISA systems very well. Is this true, if so is there a > distro that has this figured out now? no, it's microchannel that linux doesn't have good support for. I've even heard that it's not so much the architecture itself; but that no one has written drivers for a lot of the devices that you're likely to find. > If not, what other options do I have to use for an OS? whatever it came with, generally. > It's a dual pentium system, 128 MB ram, 5 internal scsi drives (either 500MB > or 1GB each), as well as two external scsi drives, tape drive, cdrom. > There's no IDE drives in there currently. if you didn't pay too much money for it; consider stripping it for parts. I've got an IBM microchannel server, that I haven't quite figured out what to do with yet. it's a P90 with 96MB, and a 6GB SCSI RAID array (all 1GB SCA drives). paid $4 for it at gov't auction; but I don't have much use for it. the memory might be good for something, and the SCSI drive cage might be useful; but beyond that, it doesn't have enough processing power to make it much more than an endtable (a job it does rather well, actually). Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From tl at assimilated.org Mon Nov 26 22:54:28 2001 From: tl at assimilated.org (tim lupfer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mutt "From" header line In-Reply-To: <20011126145043.A616@slava.net>; from fish@slava.net on Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 02:50:43PM -0600 References: <20011126145043.A616@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011126215243.A1440@assimilated.org> On Nov 26 at 02:50PM Lorry wrote: > When I reply to an email, I want my address to show as whatever > address the person wrote to me under. I thought I had it set up > to do this, but adding my_hdr From ... seems to override it. Is > there anyway to have it do this and also have it just show my > first name? Why doesn't set realname="Lorry" work? I have > multiple email addresses that forward to one place, and I want to > keep the replies consistent because when I don't, people think > they have to send messages to all my email addresses and I get > emails 10 times over. I thought setting up the reply address this > way would be easier than a signature file explaining why you > shouldn't send me the same email to more than one address. :) > Right now I have it set up where I can edit the From line when I > write the message, but it would be nice if it selected the right > address automatically. Anyone know how to do this? Thanks!! I'm sure someone probably has a nicer way to do this, but... my shoddy way of accomplishing this is using getmail (or procmail) to put mail into different folders depending on who it is addressed to (e.g. I put school related mail into one folder). Then I simpy use a mutt folder-hook to set the from address. If you want to look into hooks a bit more here's a link: http://www.mutt.org/doc/manual/manual-4.html#ss4.4 -- timothy r. lupfer tl@assimilated.org Familiarity breeds contempt--and children. -- Mark Twain -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 226 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011126/3d4d76d7/attachment.pgp From josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org Mon Nov 26 23:33:09 2001 From: josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] EISA slots and linux In-Reply-To: <200111262144.fAQLiaT11055@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Huh. That sounds like something I'd expect to find Novell Netware 4/5.x on. Joshua b. Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 http://www.greentechnologist.org On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Shawn wrote: > Okay, so I've got this old server with EISA slots. I keep hearing that Linux > doesn't support EISA systems very well. Is this true, if so is there a > distro that has this figured out now? > > If not, what other options do I have to use for an OS? > > It's a dual pentium system, 128 MB ram, 5 internal scsi drives (either 500MB > or 1GB each), as well as two external scsi drives, tape drive, cdrom. > There's no IDE drives in there currently. > > Thanks, > > Shawn > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8AxoMfexLsowstzcRAuVGAJ4lVM4N3geVYQkkVa8YwHSEYdiy5QCeNX4X Zu7PRUJWtwJZAO3YIZUyCJE= =a48U -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ben at nerp.net Mon Nov 26 23:55:11 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Point of Sale systems Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- hey, i'm helping a friend find a POS/inventory system for her computer store.. right now, all the packages she's found are for windows (ugh) anyone know of a good POS/inventory system for linux? - -ben "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBPAMRkMtpDhsSpvgtAQHn5AP/UON6BzQ1ch2FxXm8Vjf6ZQ3SVkxZAhP2 7k70Wl5Mli/mG0Y71YgC7B4pmnnyN6Jd//lg0eImJk+wUxAgk5I8WCNZpMG/2Dh5 ryKEgWYP9M7uEkY4RX7F5o+5uU1vooqPYUNwnIq9sIT23TGxZrOR2BMmSQHK21bg we+GsmmNLMg= =Ehhn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From marc at ds6.net Tue Nov 27 00:19:02 2001 From: marc at ds6.net (Marc A. Ohmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] EISA slots and linux In-Reply-To: <200111262144.fAQLiaT11055@sprite.real-time.com>; from fertch@mninter.net on Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 04:24:12PM -0600 References: <200111262144.fAQLiaT11055@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011126232152.A11257@flanders.digsol.net> On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 04:24:12PM -0600, Shawn wrote: > Okay, so I've got this old server with EISA slots. I keep hearing that Linux > doesn't support EISA systems very well. Is this true, if so is there a > distro that has this figured out now? > > If not, what other options do I have to use for an OS? > > It's a dual pentium system, 128 MB ram, 5 internal scsi drives (either 500MB > or 1GB each), as well as two external scsi drives, tape drive, cdrom. > There's no IDE drives in there currently. Even though they are EISA slots its probably a pci bus. EISA buses weren't used much in the pentium era ( if at all? ). I think EISA pretty much died when PCI came out ~1995 and Pentiums were '95 or '96 weren't they? Anyhow Linux has all kinds of support for PCI busses and if you need to use an EISA card you just need to find a driver for it. Its been a while since I had to configure one but the last time I did they didn't support hardware probing (or it wasn't safe at least) and you usually had to supply the irq. If you can't find a use for it I would surely take it off your hands :-) -- Marc A. Ohmann Digital Solutions, Inc http://ds6.net marc@ds6.net From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Nov 27 00:25:24 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mutt "From" header line In-Reply-To: <20011126215243.A1440@assimilated.org> References: <20011126145043.A616@slava.net> <20011126215243.A1440@assimilated.org> Message-ID: <20011127000926.A9546@wookimus.net> On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 09:52:44PM -0600, tim lupfer wrote: > I'm sure someone probably has a nicer way to do this, but... my shoddy > way of accomplishing this is using getmail (or procmail) to put mail > into different folders depending on who it is addressed to (e.g. I put > school related mail into one folder). Then I simpy use a mutt > folder-hook to set the from address. If you want to look into hooks a > bit more here's a link: > > http://www.mutt.org/doc/manual/manual-4.html#ss4.4 Great advice! ################################################################ # e.g. Simple procmailrc recipe for matching an email address :0: * ^TOchewie@wookimus\.net inbox :0: * ^TOchad@ima\.umn\.edu ima #EOF ################################################################ # .muttrc set use_from="yes" ### Standard settings folder-hook inbox set from=chewie@wookimus.net realname="chewie" ### Settings for the IMA address folder-hook ima set \ from=chad@ima.umn.edu realname="Chad Walstrom" send-hook ima\.umn\.edu set \ from=chad@ima.umn.edu realname="Chad Walstrom" \ reply_to="yes" fcc-hook ima\.umn\.edu +ima ### Send hook for my mom, since she has outlook, don't sign send-hook Mom set pgp_autosign="no" ### These people don't like signatures either (dorks) send-hook dorks set pgp_autosign="no" # EOF -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Which raises the question "why am I using the frame buffer driver on this thing?" A "Because I wreck X evertime I try and muck with it." that's right. Anyway the ogle/oms developers wanted me to express their deepest concerns for those of you still running oms. For in their words "It is dead" or "It is not dead, but merely sleeping" -- irc OPN #livid here is the starting url. Have fun... http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/groups/dvd/ Spencer Butler Twin Cities Open Systems 6126368989@voicestream.net | spencer@autonomous.tv http://tcos.stderr.net | http://autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011127/74cd7c6b/attachment.pgp From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Nov 27 03:31:04 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Point of Sale systems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011127023447.A4723@wookimus.net> On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 10:07:43PM -0600, Ben Kochie wrote: > hey, i'm helping a friend find a POS/inventory system for her computer > store.. right now, all the packages she's found are for windows (ugh) Hmm... You could look at these: http://www.linuxcanada.com/linuxpos.html http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/apps/financial/point-of-sale/gtk_pizza0.99.6.tgz http://sourceforge.net/projects/l-ane/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/easypos/ Expensive stuff: http://www.vigilant.com/products/pricing_linux.shtml etc...google search -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Question: Does the size change in ralation to the frequency or amount of beam current? (More current = Larger lit areas, such ask a desktop!) This is a common failure mode. Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom" To: Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Monitor On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 02:02:47PM -0600, Miller, John wrote: > My monitor has started to act funny. Whenever the computer starts and > runs through the post, the display is shifted to the right and the > corners curved in. Once it is done with the post the display is fine. > When I start X, I have to adjust the display to the left, expand it, and > straighten the corners using the monitor menu. > > Any ideas as to what is causing this. have you degaussed it? do you have any strong magnetic fields near your monitor? I got a 21" monitor that had a pretty badly warped display at first; but did get better over time; so I suspect something to do with differing magnetic conditions between where it had been, and where I put it. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Nov 27 09:35:36 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: ogle In-Reply-To: <20011127003025.A25825@Mail> References: <20011127003025.A25825@Mail> Message-ID: <20011127081446.J16480@ringworld.org> * Spencer Butler [011127 01:54]: > Anyway the ogle/oms developers wanted me to express their deepest > concerns for those of you still running oms. For in their words "It is Or, just use xine, which has better playback quality than most of the players, and probally does a better job syncronising audio vs ogle. Last time I looked, ogle used a named pipe to ac3dec? -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Nov 27 09:50:09 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Monitor In-Reply-To: <20011126213536.A13356@real-time.com> References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940164AEDA@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> <20011126213536.A13356@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011127083325.159c2fa8.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > do you have any strong magnetic fields near your monitor? I got a 21" > monitor that had a pretty badly warped display at first; but did get > better over time; so I suspect something to do with differing magnetic > conditions between where it had been, and where I put it. Well, yeah, the Earth's magnetic field could have something to do with it, too. If you rotate your display to face a different direction (like when you move your desk to a different corner of the room), things will change. I'm not sure if the U of MN's physics program still tricks incoming freshmen with this one.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Page 9 of 1 / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(instead of 1-2 minutes). here's the mesa stuff I have installed: chrome@steel:~$ dpkg -l *mesa* Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ Name Version Description +++-==============-==============-============================================ un mesa-dev (no description available) ii mesademos 3.4.2-1 Example programs for Mesa (and OpenGL in gen pn mesag-dev (no description available) pn mesag-glide2-d (no description available) pn mesag-widgets- (no description available) pn mesag3 (no description available) pn mesag3+ggi (no description available) pn mesag3+ggi-dev (no description available) un mesag3-glide (no description available) pn mesag3-glide2 (no description available) pn mesag3-widgets (no description available) pn xlibmesa-dev (no description available) ii xlibmesa3 4.1.0-9 XFree86 version of Mesa 3D graphics library pn xlibosmesa-dev (no description available) ii xlibosmesa3 4.1.0-9 Mesa/XFree86 offscreen rendering library Any idea what I might still be missing? Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From clay at fandre.com Tue Nov 27 10:23:00 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] setting up apache and ssl under Debian In-Reply-To: <20011123124250.A16500@lemongecko.org> References: <20011123124250.A16500@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: <20011127092500.C8088@fandre.com> I have been using the apache-ssl package for a while now. It's easy to install and the configs are stored in /etc/apache-ssl. I use IMP to get at my mail when all I have is a browser. Otherwise I use IMAP/SSL. IMP can also be installed via apt-get. On Fri, 23 Nov 2001, Dan Drake wrote: > I'm trying to set up ssl-enabled apache on my Debian box for doing web > email (I'll probably be begging for help on that later). I have apache > set up, nicely configured, and running nicely, and the https side of > things is...kinda working. I'd like some advice... > > * should I use mod_ssl or the apache-ssl package? Performance is not a > major concern, this is just for me and several friends. > > * what's the best way to configure what I use? Any silly mistakes to > avoid? > > * and, any suggestions on a web email client? I have aeromail and it > looks pretty nice, but we're still shopping around. > > Thanks everybody. Now I have to go back to watching the Junkyard Wars > marathon. > > Dan > > -- > | 4699 BDCB B1A5 28B6 7F8A F8DF EB6A BC2A B0A1 99BF (GPG) > | Dan Drake | http://lemongecko.org/drake/ > | public key: email From fish at slava.net Tue Nov 27 10:33:27 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mutt "From" header line In-Reply-To: <20011126215243.A1440@assimilated.org> References: <20011126145043.A616@slava.net> <20011126215243.A1440@assimilated.org> Message-ID: <20011127093705.B6020@slava.net> This brings up another issue... I tried to configure procmail to send my mail into my folders. I don't have folders based on which email, but I do have lots of folders for various topics and mailing lists and so on. I wrote a recipe to test it out and had my friend send me an email that it should have affected. Nothing happened. I rebooted. Nothing happened. I put the recipe in a file called .procmailrc in my home dir. Is this not what I'm supposed to do? Do I have to do something else to make it work? I did RTFM and that's all it said to do.... Lorry On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 09:52:44PM -0600, tim lupfer typed: > I'm sure someone probably has a nicer way to do this, but... my > shoddy way of accomplishing this is using getmail (or procmail) to > put mail into different folders depending on who it is addressed to > (e.g. I put school related mail into one folder). Then I simpy use a > mutt folder-hook to set the from address. If you want to look into > hooks a bit more here's a link: From Larry.Cable at nwa.com Tue Nov 27 10:35:32 2001 From: Larry.Cable at nwa.com (Larry Cable) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Error Message from lpr command Message-ID: <3C03B4A6.65F084A4@NWA.COM> When trying to print a text file with the lpr command, I get the following message...... No way to print this type of input file: fsav (linux) virus (8224-32) I can print a mail message from NETSCAPE messenger just fine. Anybody ever see this message before?? How can I get rid of it??? Thanks LarryC From blayer at qwest.net Tue Nov 27 10:37:37 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dongles for 3com PCMCIA cards In-Reply-To: <20011126220256.92CCD4446@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> References: <20011126220256.92CCD4446@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011127094401.5ec12266.blayer@qwest.net> On Mon, 26 Nov 2001 16:02:55 -0600 "Andy Zbikowski Zibby" wrote: > > If you know of a place that carries them and has resonable shipping, speak up > as well. :) I have a single spare dongle for a 3com 10/100 PCMCIA NIC, it's the genuine part with the two LEDs (link & 100baseTX). It's yours for a glass of good beer, Andy. Bill From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Nov 27 10:59:00 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ms outlook under WINE? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0FE@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Has anyone managed to get it working? It's the only email application that can handle my huge mailbox. Plus, I kind of need the scheduling stuff to be integrated with everyone elses. IMAP barely works in any linux email app I try. KMail is the best so far (at least it finds all of my folders), but when retreiving new mail it retreives everything instead of starting where it left off. So each check for new mail takes about 20 minutes to complete. If I could just make Outlook work under WINE, I'd be a happy person (or at least happier than I am right now). Jay From barnabas at knicknack.net Tue Nov 27 11:10:36 2001 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Server class boxes Message-ID: <20011127103142.A1494@knicknack.net> This is a question primarily for the admins out there, but anyone may respond. What do you guys/gals user for server class Linux systems? We almost certainly want to stick with Intel processors. Built in RAID 1 (mirroring, in case my number is wrong) would be nice and it has to be SCSI. We also definitely want console to serial redirection and fiber gigabit ethernet. Any suggestions as to what to check out and/or avoid? Thanks in advance. Eric From simeonuj at nssmgmt.com Tue Nov 27 11:46:53 2001 From: simeonuj at nssmgmt.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Monitor Message-ID: I've had this problem with every one of my NEC 3V's. Was it like this from the beginning or did this start recently? > My monitor has started to act funny. Whenever the computer starts and > runs through the post, the display is shifted to the right and the > corners curved in. Once it is done with the post the display is fine. > When I start X, I have to adjust the display to the left, expand it, > and > straighten the corners using the monitor menu. > > Any ideas as to what is causing this. > Well. The X thing may be solved by using a generic monitor instead of specifying one. Or find a resolution that works. With my 3V the screen would shift on different resolutions but at 1024x768 it was fine. Then if I res'd down it would scrunch everything into the center of the screen for some reason. It sucked big time. I changed the monitor (via Xconfigurator) to a generic 1024x768 SVGA and everything works great now. This also worked for win98. I would play with the X settings for a while. As long as the shift is only in the post then there shouldn't be any problems with actually using the machine. I don't know what the problem is but mine does the same thing. sim From florin at iucha.net Tue Nov 27 12:24:11 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mutt "From" header line In-Reply-To: <20011127093705.B6020@slava.net>; from fish@slava.net on Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 09:37:05AM -0600 References: <20011126145043.A616@slava.net> <20011126215243.A1440@assimilated.org> <20011127093705.B6020@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011127111100.A31481@beaver.iucha.org> On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 09:37:05AM -0600, Lorry wrote: > This brings up another issue... I tried to configure procmail to send my mail > into my folders. I don't have folders based on which email, but I do have lots > of folders for various topics and mailing lists and so on. I wrote a recipe > to test it out and had my friend send me an email that it should have affected. > Nothing happened. I rebooted. Nothing happened. I put the recipe in a file > called .procmailrc in my home dir. Is this not what I'm supposed to do? Do I > have to do something else to make it work? I did RTFM and that's all it said > to do.... Please tell us the relevant contents from the .procmailrc, the expected behavior and the actual behavior. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011127/41a0c80e/attachment.pgp From hutchib at cscoe.accenture.com Tue Nov 27 12:51:15 2001 From: hutchib at cscoe.accenture.com (Brandon Hutchinson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ms outlook under WINE? In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0FE@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0FE@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <200111271730.LAA27224@nsmmfs07.cscoe.accenture.com> I personally haven't tried to get it working, but you might want to visit http://appdb.codeweavers.com/ to see if others have had success. The site has a good database of programs that work with WINE along with user tips and tricks. Brandon On Tuesday 27 November 2001 10:21 am, you wrote: > Has anyone managed to get it working? It's the only email application that > can handle my huge mailbox. Plus, I kind of need the scheduling stuff to > be integrated with everyone elses. > > IMAP barely works in any linux email app I try. KMail is the best so far > (at least it finds all of my folders), but when retreiving new mail it > retreives everything instead of starting where it left off. So each check > for new mail takes about 20 minutes to complete. > > If I could just make Outlook work under WINE, I'd be a happy person (or at > least happier than I am right now). > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Mary at DesignerDoors.com Tue Nov 27 12:53:19 2001 From: Mary at DesignerDoors.com (Mary Ayala) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Any Problems I should know about Message-ID: <0C0E79993A63D411BC3A00D0B784A7E5378121@DDMAIL> I am going to be installing the latest Mandrake Linux package (8.1 I believe), We are going to be using it for a file storage server and are going to be using Samba to help communicate between this and our existing NT 4.0 network. Are there any issues I should be on the look-out for? Thanks. Mary Ayala ________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Nov 27 13:00:12 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Server class boxes In-Reply-To: <20011127103142.A1494@knicknack.net> References: <20011127103142.A1494@knicknack.net> Message-ID: <20011127120904.B30126@ringworld.org> * Eric Stanley [011127 11:13]: > What do you guys/gals user for server class Linux systems? We almost > certainly want to stick with Intel processors. Built in RAID 1 Hate to say it, but Dell does a half-decent job in the boxes weve got. I've heard their newer 1u boxes do serial redirection, too. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From esper at sherohman.org Tue Nov 27 13:23:15 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mutt "From" header line In-Reply-To: <20011126145043.A616@slava.net>; from fish@slava.net on Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 02:50:43PM -0600 References: <20011126145043.A616@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011127123537.A14009@sherohman.org> On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 02:50:43PM -0600, Lorry wrote: > When I reply to an email, I want my address to show as whatever address the > person wrote to me under. I thought I had it set up to do this, but adding > my_hdr From ... seems to override it. Is there anyway to have it do this > and also have it just show my first name? Don't know about the only showing your first name part, but "set alternatives" lets you specify a regex and any address which matches it will be considered to be your address. Then "set reverse_name=yes" and mutt will use the address the mail was received at (provided it matches the alternatives regex) as the From: address on replies. I see there's also a reverse_realname option, but I don't know how much good that will do you. > Why doesn't set realname="Lorry" > work? I see in man muttrc: realname ... Note that this variable will not be used when the user has set a real name in the $from variable. Might that be why it's not working for you? -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Tue Nov 27 13:25:24 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB Mouse In-Reply-To: Message-ID: |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Yaron |Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 3:06 PM |To: Tclug-List |Subject: Re: [TCLUG] USB Mouse | | | Hey, | |On Fri, 23 Nov 2001, James Spinti wrote: | |> mouse type. Still nothing :( I did accept the default setting for the |> mouse of /dev/mouse. Should I have chosen a different location? If so, |> what??? | |Try /dev/input/mice | |If it doesn't exist do 'mknod input/mice c 13 63' | |-Yaron | |In your XF86Config file in the Input Device section for Mouse change the |mouse driver protocol option to IMPS/2: |Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" | |This should do the trick, this and having /dev/mouse point to the proper |location... | | -munir Sorry for the delay. Work interfered with my fun. OK, tried both of these ideas and I still have no mouse. Any other ideas? Thanks, James From gabe at msi.umn.edu Tue Nov 27 13:44:52 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Server class boxes In-Reply-To: <20011127103142.A1494@knicknack.net>; from barnabas@knicknack.net on Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 10:31:42AM -0600 References: <20011127103142.A1494@knicknack.net> Message-ID: <20011127125400.G16189@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 10:31:42AM -0600, Eric Stanley wrote: > This is a question primarily for the admins out there, but anyone may > respond. > > What do you guys/gals user for server class Linux systems? We almost > certainly want to stick with Intel processors. Built in RAID 1 > (mirroring, in case my number is wrong) would be nice and it has to be > SCSI. We also definitely want console to serial redirection and fiber > gigabit ethernet. Any suggestions as to what to check out and/or > avoid? We use Dell Poweredge boxen here. They've been good to us. We currently have a 2500 and a 4400 and are looking to get a few 1550s and a 2550 or two. You won't get RAID _and_ gige FX in a 1550 (it's a 1U box so there's not enough room, IIRC), but they're available in the others. HTH, Gabe -- Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Nov 27 14:01:03 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Server class boxes Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D104@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> The new Dell 1550's are pretty sweet. And cheap too. We have several here with Red Hat on them. They don't have fiber GigE ports, but they do have copper ones. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Stanley [mailto:barnabas@knicknack.net] > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 10:32 AM > To: TCLUG List > Subject: [TCLUG] Server class boxes > > > This is a question primarily for the admins out there, but > anyone may respond. > > What do you guys/gals user for server class Linux systems? > We almost certainly want to stick with Intel processors. > Built in RAID 1 (mirroring, in case my number is wrong) would > be nice and it has to be SCSI. We also definitely want > console to serial redirection and fiber gigabit ethernet. > Any suggestions as to what to check out and/or avoid? > > Thanks in advance. > > Eric > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Nov 27 14:53:26 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mutt "From" header line In-Reply-To: <20011127111100.A31481@beaver.iucha.org> References: <20011126145043.A616@slava.net> <20011126215243.A1440@assimilated.org> <20011127093705.B6020@slava.net> <20011127111100.A31481@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20011127134540.B19995@wookimus.net> On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 09:37:05AM -0600, Lorry wrote: > This brings up another issue... I tried to configure procmail to > send my mail into my folders. I don't have folders based on which > email, but I do have lots of folders for various topics and mailing > lists and so on. I wrote a recipe to test it out and had my friend > send me an email that it should have affected. Nothing happened. I > rebooted. Nothing happened. I put the recipe in a file called > .procmailrc in my home dir. Is this not what I'm supposed to do? > Do I have to do something else to make it work? I did RTFM and > that's all it said to do.... ######################################################################## # Gratuitous Tip(tm) that you should have read in the manpage for # procmailrc(5) and procmailex(5) so that you can get us the log file. # See also: procmail, formail, 'man -k procmail' # Pretty standard mail directory location MAILDIR=$HOME/Mail # Log everything VERBOSE=yes LOGFILE=procmail.log # Copy everything to the backup folder :0 c backup # Fancier backup. Remove ~/.procmail_backupall to disable backups. :0 c * ? test -f $HOME/.procmail_backupall backup # insert custom recipe's here # ... # EOGT -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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With the Pro 1k NIC and 3 drives and raid and 4gb of sdram its about $500 under $10k. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From chrome at real-time.com Tue Nov 27 16:34:57 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Server class boxes In-Reply-To: <20011127103142.A1494@knicknack.net>; from barnabas@knicknack.net on Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 10:31:42AM -0600 References: <20011127103142.A1494@knicknack.net> Message-ID: <20011127152552.B8596@real-time.com> One of our clients just handed us an IBM Netfinity to work our magic on. I have to say, this is the nicest x86 box I've looked at (at least as far as servers go). 3 serial ports (one just for serial console); tons of diagnostic LEDs on the mobo; diagnostic port on the mobo; big fans; reasonably sensible power button design (recessed, small button, with a big bezel around it; easy to find, hard to push accidentally); the BIOS will log POST and boot error messages; and there's some sort of diagnostic coprocessor, like a lot of IBMs big iron; case is easy to work on; drive sleds are easy to push & pull. it's a couple of years old (1999); so I don't know if they're the same anymore; but this thing is awfully nice. for another perspective; take a look at www.spinserver.com. they sell cases like Rackable's; where the I/O connectors are on the _front_ of the case, so they're easy to get to when in the rack. they sell cases, and complete systems as well. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From tanner at real-time.com Tue Nov 27 17:39:29 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Looking for volunteer for plot linux-kernel inject data Message-ID: <20011127155409.P30126@real-time.com> I have been collecting data on the linux kernel inject processes. Just a simple layout: date:count Date is in epoch format and count is an integer. I'm taking the report every hour. Any perl/gnuplot/php dudes wanna take my raw data and put it up on the tclug web site? -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From ray at lctn.k12.mn.us Tue Nov 27 18:23:47 2001 From: ray at lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2 problems Message-ID: <001301c1779d$9eb3f850$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> This did not show up the first time I sent it. > I am trying to get my Apache web server and MRTG to start automatically at > boot up. I first tried to use Linuxconf for Apache, but when I select > "control service activity", I get a screen that shows "Name" "Enabled" and > "Running". The only service that shows up is one called "Firewall". I can > mess with it all I want, but no other services show up. I can use Linuxconf > for other things. This seems to be the only problem area. > > I finally made 2 scripts and corresponding symbolic links. The scripts are > in /etc/rc.d/init.d and the symbolic links are in /etc/rc3.d. neither one > comes up at boot, but I can do a "perl S65mrtg" or S66http, and the services > will start. > > I am using RedHat 7.1 and Apache 1.3.19 > > Any help would be appreciated > > > Raymond > From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Nov 27 18:47:17 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] PSA: Snow Message-ID: <20011127145626.0ce2cf62.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> For folks with cars.. Since I usually have a friend or two get their car towed at least once each winter, I figured I'd mention that Minneapolis has declared a snow emergency for the first time this season. Other cities in the area probably have done the same thing. There's more info at the city's web site [http://www.ci.mpls.mn.us/]. They're supposed to have an e-mail alert system, but I guess it's not working yet this season. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I got a garage door opener. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ It can't close. Just open. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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My concern is that Mandrake's primary focus isn't a server system. (Mandrake users care to comment?) They focus on ease of setup for a workstation. So when you install mandrake, you'll get lots of stuff running that just doesn't need to be running on a server. (Like, X.) I imagine you'll also get stuff that you don't need or want like apache, ftp, telnet, maybe a nameserver, I dunno. Depends on the defaults and how far you dig. Will this box be behind a firewall or will it be sitting out on the open, untamed internet? You'll definitly want to inform yourself about the defaults either way, but it should be blinking red if it's a public box. Well, all I can think of for now. Pretty much any version of samba will play nice with NT4. Do you have a plan for backing up stuff? In the simplist form, you should be able to point whatever you're using for NT backups at the samba shares and get the data. But you won't be able to get a proper backup of the Linux OS that way. But that probally isn't a big a deal as it is with NT. With Linux you can, in general, make a tar snapshot of /etc and be more or less OK to reinstall and then extract your configs. -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org/~zibby Bender: You just think that robots are machines built by humans to make their lifes easier. Fry: Well, aren't they? Bender: I've never made anyone's life easier and you know it! From list at slushpupie.com Tue Nov 27 20:34:45 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Any Problems I should know about In-Reply-To: <20011127195227.592584498@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> References: <0C0E79993A63D411BC3A00D0B784A7E5378121@DDMAIL> <20011127195227.592584498@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011128013554.ZMQN27758.femail33.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> > My concern is that Mandrake's primary focus isn't a server system. > (Mandrake users care to comment?) I would tend to agree. It is great for first time users, and for small to medium sized servers, but it will likely have to much for larger sized servers. However, I want to point out that when you get to larger sized severs, you have to do a lot of customization anyway, and better know what you are doing. Anyone who is capible of all the customization would be able to use any distro they are familior with. So pick what you are comfotable with. Jay -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- You need more time; and you probably always will. From jack at jacku.com Tue Nov 27 21:40:06 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Server class boxes In-Reply-To: <20011127152027.E30126@ringworld.org> References: <20011127103142.A1494@knicknack.net> <20011127125400.G16189@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> <20011127152027.E30126@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <01112720551500.00848@geezer> On Tuesday 27 November 2001 15:20, you wrote: > * Gabe Turner [011127 13:49]: > > have a 2500 and a 4400 and are looking to get a few 1550s and a 2550 or > > two. You won't get RAID _and_ gige FX in a 1550 (it's a 1U box so > > there's not enough room, IIRC), but they're available in the others. > > It appears you can put 3 72gb drives, two processors, and a PERC3 raid > controller on a 1550. I see the Intel Pro 1000 NIC, but I dont know if > its fiber or not. With the Pro 1k NIC and 3 drives and raid and 4gb of > sdram its about $500 under $10k. To Follow on what Scott said, we just installed a 1550 at a client an it definately has a RAID 1 environment. Its a mail server (Exchange :-p) and they wanted the mirrored drives. I think its got 32Gb drives in it. I didn't handle the acquisition, just some of the setup. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Nov 27 21:43:20 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ms outlook under WINE? In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0FE@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0FE@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <1006916544.1203.3.camel@minime> On Tue, 2001-11-27 at 10:21, Austad, Jay wrote: > Has anyone managed to get it working? It's the only email application that > can handle my huge mailbox. Plus, I kind of need the scheduling stuff to be > integrated with everyone elses. > > IMAP barely works in any linux email app I try. KMail is the best so far > (at least it finds all of my folders), but when retreiving new mail it > retreives everything instead of starting where it left off. So each check > for new mail takes about 20 minutes to complete. I've been using ximian gnome and evolution to read my mail via IMAP without issue for about a month. I love it. Outlook doesn't have vfolders, or do gpg....nuff said. > > If I could just make Outlook work under WINE, I'd be a happy person (or at > least happier than I am right now). > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens System Administrator Sistina Software Inc. "If you love someone, set them free. If they come home, set them on fire." - George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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John Miller Tue, 27 Nov 2001, Mark Browne wrote: > Perhaps the power supply regulation has gone all to hell. > Question: Does the size change in ralation to the frequency or amount of > beam current? > (More current = Larger lit areas, such ask a desktop!) > This is a common failure mode. > > Mark Browne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 9:35 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Monitor > > > On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 02:02:47PM -0600, Miller, John wrote: > > My monitor has started to act funny. Whenever the computer starts and > > runs through the post, the display is shifted to the right and the > > corners curved in. Once it is done with the post the display is fine. > > When I start X, I have to adjust the display to the left, expand it, and > > straighten the corners using the monitor menu. > > > > Any ideas as to what is causing this. > > have you degaussed it? > do you have any strong magnetic fields near your monitor? I got a 21" > monitor that had a pretty badly warped display at first; but did get better > over time; so I suspect something to do with differing magnetic conditions > between where it had been, and where I put it. > > Carl Soderstrom > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From sraun at fireopal.org Tue Nov 27 22:24:01 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] PSA: Snow In-Reply-To: <20011127145626.0ce2cf62.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> References: <20011127145626.0ce2cf62.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011127212643.A21649@fireopal.org> On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 02:56:26PM -0600, Mike Hicks wrote: > For folks with cars.. > > Since I usually have a friend or two get their car towed at least once > each winter, I figured I'd mention that Minneapolis has declared a snow > emergency for the first time this season. Other cities in the area > probably have done the same thing. I know St. Paul has. I think the burbs have a different method of dealing with it - one that involves 'no on-street parking, period'. > There's more info at the city's web site [http://www.ci.mpls.mn.us/]. > They're supposed to have an e-mail alert system, but I guess it's not > working yet this season. It's working - I got the alert about 4:45-5:00PM today (Tuesday). If anyone is interested, I can dig out the URL to get signed up. It was being handled by Channel4000 last year, but someone else this year. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Nov 27 22:42:53 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Monitor In-Reply-To: References: <003601c17711$a62cfc80$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: <20011127221654.07a629fe.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> johndmiller wrote: > > I have dguased it, didn't help. The problem is only when I am running X > and during the post. All other times it is fine. One thought I had was > there is some "mode" setting in the monitor that is set incorrect when > X starts or during POST. Many PC BIOSes these days run the POST screen at a different resolution than regular text mode so they can get some simple graphics on the screen. I thought I had asked in a previous message, but I don't see it floating around. Is this a digitally-controlled monitor, or is it an old one with analog dials? Modern monitors with menus and other doodads will let you change things on a per video mode basis. Old ones with analog controls just have to be set at some happy medium most of the time. If it _is_ a digitally controlled one, you might try resetting the display (most have a little recessed button somewhere for that). Conversely, some monitors need to be explicitly told to save settings for a particular mode. Maybe someone was playing with you and reset the display while you were gone? -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ There's too much blood in / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ my caffeine system. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011127/a5786c6a/attachment.pgp From houle at citilink.com Tue Nov 27 22:45:54 2001 From: houle at citilink.com (Terry Houle) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Indy Box homepage Message-ID: I was trying to go to the Indy Box homepage and get nothing for the last couple of day. Are they still around or am I doing something wrong. Using URL: www.indybox.com tia Terry Houle houle@citilink.com http://www.citilink.com/~houle From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Nov 27 22:57:19 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4.15/2.5 fs bug In-Reply-To: <003401c17681$5a77e470$3028680a@tgt.com> References: <20011124163446.A1172@assimilated.org> <003401c17681$5a77e470$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20011126105536.B1724@wookimus.net> On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 07:50:47AM -0600, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > I am beginning to give up hope of EVER having a stable kernel with out MAJOR > bugs in the 2.4 series of Linux. What the hell is Linus doing these days > for development -- testing out in 2.4? ChangeLog for 2.4.16: final: - Fix 8139too oops (Philipp Matthias Hahn) pre1: - Correctly sync inodes in iput() (Alexander Viro) - Make pagecache readahead size tunable via /proc (was in -ac tree) - Fix PPC kernel compilation problems (Paul Mackerras) Doesn't look like a whole lot of changes to me. You can probably start breathing normally again, Tom. ;-) -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011127/c1f95b5e/attachment.pgp From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Nov 27 23:00:12 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help, Ximian GNOME, Restoring GNOME settings In-Reply-To: <1006749935.4616.3.camel@dornier> References: <1006749935.4616.3.camel@dornier> Message-ID: <20011126110026.C1724@wookimus.net> On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 10:45:31PM -0600, Doug Pomerenke wrote: > On my freshly installed RedHat 7.2, I installed Ximian Red Carpet, > GNOME, Desktop, and Evolution. Red Carpet and Evolution are GREAT! A tip to Debian users, don't install Ximian. It may be the latest and greatest, but only by a hair (IMHO). Debian "unstable" stays pretty close to being update with Gnome development, and most of these packages work their way into "testing" before too long. I find it very valuable to keep the cruft off my system by running testing for most things, and manually installing the bleeding edge software by hand if I must (and I have had to on occassion). The long and short of it is this, the Ximian people aren't really dedicated to being Debian Policy compliant on how packages are named, how they're maintained, and how they're installed. It caused me no end of headaches when I ran it, and the only way out is to remove all gnome-ximian related packages and install the Debian "proper" equivalents. As far as RedHat and Red Carpet users, you're on your own. Good luck! ;-) -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011127/937f373b/attachment.pgp From marc at ds6.net Tue Nov 27 23:37:51 2001 From: marc at ds6.net (Marc A. Ohmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Looking for volunteer for plot linux-kernel inject data In-Reply-To: <20011127155409.P30126@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 03:54:09PM -0600 References: <20011127155409.P30126@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011127225007.A13643@flanders.digsol.net> On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 03:54:09PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > I have been collecting data on the linux kernel inject processes. Just a simple > layout: > > date:count > > Date is in epoch format and count is an integer. > > I'm taking the report every hour. Any perl/gnuplot/php dudes wanna take my raw > data and put it up on the tclug web site? Do you have a link to the data? -- Marc A. Ohmann Digital Solutions, Inc http://ds6.net marc@ds6.net From chrome at real-time.com Tue Nov 27 23:40:51 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SGI and the Itanic In-Reply-To: ; from mbutler2@mmm.com on Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 10:07:24PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011127225150.A18970@real-time.com> On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 10:07:24PM -0600, mbutler2@mmm.com wrote: > I also see Sun keeping Sparc, it wouldn't make much monetary sense to > just can that architecture, especially for an arch that most of Sun seems > to see as substandard. I agree there. Sun will keep Sparc going; as much because they're at odds with the WinTel world, as anything. (Star Office was made free, to be a kick in MS'es shorts; a hard crack at the WinTel monopoly). > I also see SGI keeping MIPS, I hope they do; it's a good architecture (far more mature than IA64). They'll also keep it around for the IRIX users who won't let go (the gov't). IRIX would never survive on anything but MIPS; and to keep IRIX alive, and provide really big machines for it to work on (since nothing will scale as well as IRIX in the near future), they'll probably keep MIPS. > So, I see the archs hanging around for quite some time, and if for no > other reason than they do certain things very well and their OSes run best > on them. There is no plan to take IRIX to Intel, they will prolly look at > 64-bit linux, but that's about it, and it may or may not be the flagship. > I don't see Sun using Intel outside of trying to attract new laptop > customers into the OS, at which they do a poor job... there aren't enough device drivers written for Solaris/x86. to the point that I know someone who carries a USB keyboard around (one of the flexible rubber ones you can roll up and stuff away); because there isn't a Solaris 8 device driver for his Dell laptop's keyboard (tho it worked in Solaris 7). > Getting people to build boxes around a chip is nowhere near as tough > -- I think that could be done. But big money has big inertia. HP > killed off PA-RISC to deal with the Compaq merger, and Alpha's gone too. I think the independent open-hardware CPU projects are going to be novelties for quite a long time to come... but that doesn't mean they're useless efforts. they may serve in niche markets. maybe they'll become prevalent when the machines take over and get rid of us squabbling humans. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From jhawley at bgea.org Tue Nov 27 23:59:22 2001 From: jhawley at bgea.org (John Hawley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: netfilter & IIS/WLBS References: <3C025924.D7E7A346@bgea.org> Message-ID: <3C027870.5D91F8A1@bgea.org> oh for crying out load. Nevermind. They had a typo on the gateway address on the second machine. -jh John Hawley wrote: > Hi. > > I've a firewall running Netfilter/iptables 1.2.3-2 on Linux 2.4.13. Does anyone > know of any issues / incompatabilities with Webservers running IISv5 on multiple > NT machines with "Window Load Balancing Software"? From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Nov 28 00:35:55 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ms outlook under WINE? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D114@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > I've been using ximian gnome and evolution to read my mail via IMAP > without issue for about a month. I love it. Evolution couldn't find any of my IMAP folders. Just my inbox. And do you have around 50,000 messages in your mailbox? Most mail clients choke on that many messages when using IMAP. And POP doesn't support folders. I also tried Bynari Insight, and it just seg faulted after downloading about half of my message headers. > Outlook doesn't have vfolders, or do gpg....nuff said. It does PGP with a plugin (of course, I'd have to get that working too if I wanted to use it). I really need the scheduling crap since the rest of the company is so dependent upon it, there's really no way not to use it. > > > > > If I could just make Outlook work under WINE, I'd be a > happy person (or at > > least happier than I am right now). > > > > Jay > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > -- > Ben Lutgens > System Administrator > Sistina Software Inc. > > "If you love someone, set them free. If they come home, set them on > fire." > - George Carlin > From rahrenstorff at mediaone.net Wed Nov 28 01:49:05 2001 From: rahrenstorff at mediaone.net (Rodd Ahrenstorff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] test for changed email address Message-ID: <200111280710.fAS7ACu17267@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net> just testing the new email address From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Wed Nov 28 08:21:18 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Any Problems I should know about In-Reply-To: <20011127195227.592584498@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: | |Mandrake? On a server? |*shudder* |Sorry, bad former job experience. | |My concern is that Mandrake's primary focus isn't a server system. |(Mandrake |users care to comment?) They focus on ease of setup for a workstation. So |when you install mandrake, you'll get lots of stuff running that |just doesn't |need to be running on a server. (Like, X.) I imagine you'll also get stuff |that you don't need or want like apache, ftp, telnet, maybe a |nameserver, I |dunno. Depends on the defaults and how far you dig. |-- |Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org/~zibby From jwanderson at uswest.net Wed Nov 28 08:50:09 2001 From: jwanderson at uswest.net (Jay W. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] F.Y.I (Fwd) [Redhat Mirror] apt-get with redhat linux Message-ID: <200111281308.fASD8DT07509@sprite.real-time.com> For all you Debian People stuck with RH boxen... ------- Forwarded message follows ------- Date sent: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:36:48 +0100 From: "Nicolai Langfeldt" To: mirror-list-d@redhat.com Subject: [Redhat Mirror] apt-get with redhat linux now that apt-get has been ported to rpm... For general information about apt-get for rpm: http://apt-rpm.tuxfamily.org/ The script has been tested and found quite useable thank-you at http|ftp://ftp.uninett.no/pub/linux/apt (planningto make it /pub/apt, and adding other rpm distributions to it very soon). the whole apt-hierarchy is a symlink farm with index files added. And apt-get is simply cool Red Hat too. apt-get update; apt-get upgrade has gotten me and others from 7.0 and 7.1 to 7.2 with very minor problems, no rebooting needed. ------- End of forwarded message ------- From veldy at veldy.net Wed Nov 28 08:57:42 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4.15/2.5 fs bug References: <20011124163446.A1172@assimilated.org> <003401c17681$5a77e470$3028680a@tgt.com> <20011126105536.B1724@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <003001c17814$f8bbf0b0$3028680a@tgt.com> I am sure somebody will find one in short order. My point was that I can not believe developers have done there testing in the 2.4 "Stable" series instead of branching and starting the 2.5 series, as they should have 9 months ago. I think the Linux kernel should be maintained via cvs/cvsup instead of bulk archive downloads -- but that is another issue. Create one tree for stable and one tree for current, in the FreeBSD model. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chad C. Walstrom" To: Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] 2.4.15/2.5 fs bug On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 07:50:47AM -0600, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > I am beginning to give up hope of EVER having a stable kernel with out MAJOR > bugs in the 2.4 series of Linux. What the hell is Linus doing these days > for development -- testing out in 2.4? ChangeLog for 2.4.16: final: - Fix 8139too oops (Philipp Matthias Hahn) pre1: - Correctly sync inodes in iput() (Alexander Viro) - Make pagecache readahead size tunable via /proc (was in -ac tree) - Fix PPC kernel compilation problems (Paul Mackerras) Doesn't look like a whole lot of changes to me. You can probably start breathing normally again, Tom. ;-) -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD From nate at techie.com Wed Nov 28 09:10:02 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SGI and the Itanic In-Reply-To: <20011124120824.E28452@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Sat, Nov 24, 2001 at 12:08:29PM -0600 References: <20011124120824.E28452@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011128081351.A8924@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Sat, Nov 24, 2001 at 12:08:29PM -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > Why is SGI seemingly planning on migrating to the Intel IA64 architecture? I don't know how much I can actually talk about this stuff, but I say a few things about our architecture. SGI Origin/Onyx 3000 machines are built from "bricks." There are several types of bricks that make up a system. I I/O Brick, includes two drives, CD and XIO. Required to boot a system. C CPU brick, includes 4 MIPS CPUs, memory, NumaLink and XIO P PCI brick, include (I think) 6 PCI buses with 2 slots each D Disk brick, 12 drive JBOD (Just a Bunch of Disks) R Router, connects four C-bricks together X Metarouter, connects R bricks together. G Graphics brick, makes the system an Onyx The beauty of the architecture is that you can make whatever type of system you want. What we're doing with Intel is making another type of C-brick. If we had the time, money, and the market, we could make a C-brick that uses any CPU. Athlon? Alpha? Whatever. Nate From ray at lctn.k12.mn.us Wed Nov 28 09:34:26 2001 From: ray at lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need Sendmail/mrtg help Message-ID: <002501c17819$27737c80$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> I am setting up our MRTG configs to use the Threshold feature, and send out an automated email when traffic reaches 0%. I understand how to make the additions to my configs, but I am at a loss how to write a script that can be called by MRTG which will send the email when the threshold is reached. I am using RedHat 7.1 and Sendmail 8.11 Can anyone help me with this? Raymond From Mary at DesignerDoors.com Wed Nov 28 09:47:05 2001 From: Mary at DesignerDoors.com (Mary Ayala) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Any Problems I should know about Message-ID: <0C0E79993A63D411BC3A00D0B784A7E5378128@DDMAIL> This installation of Mandrake does come with a lot of extras, I know about. Some of the them will be implementations in the future, the file server is our only immediate install (I like to start easy (at least I hope it will be easy). Yes it will be behind a firewall, although our firewall is a Microsoft product that I'm hoping to replace sometime next year with a Linux version. I also want to replace our IIS 4.0 with Apache for our Intranet (can't tell you how sick I am of having to install patches for IIS as frequently as I do.) But for now Samba is my main goal. My husband is well versed in Linux so he is going to help us, and then also we have a friend who's going to join us for the ride to learn some Linux. From what my husband reviewed of the information that was available on the Mandrake, it looked like the best overall coverage, both for what we want right now and what the future plans are. I did however tell my manager that if I couldn't get it to work on the servers I'd buy it from the company. I figure that way I can convince them of more in the future! > I am going to be installing the latest Mandrake Linux package (8.1 I > believe), We are going to be using it for a file storage server and are > going to be using Samba to help communicate between this and our existing > NT 4.0 network. Are there any issues I should be on the look-out for? > Thanks. Mandrake? On a server? *shudder* Sorry, bad former job experience. My concern is that Mandrake's primary focus isn't a server system. (Mandrake users care to comment?) They focus on ease of setup for a workstation. So when you install mandrake, you'll get lots of stuff running that just doesn't need to be running on a server. (Like, X.) I imagine you'll also get stuff that you don't need or want like apache, ftp, telnet, maybe a nameserver, I dunno. Depends on the defaults and how far you dig. Will this box be behind a firewall or will it be sitting out on the open, untamed internet? You'll definitly want to inform yourself about the defaults either way, but it should be blinking red if it's a public box. Well, all I can think of for now. Pretty much any version of samba will play nice with NT4. Do you have a plan for backing up stuff? In the simplist form, you should be able to point whatever you're using for NT backups at the samba shares and get the data. But you won't be able to get a proper backup of the Linux OS that way. But that probally isn't a big a deal as it is with NT. With Linux you can, in general, make a tar snapshot of /etc and be more or less OK to reinstall and then extract your configs. -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org/~zibby Bender: You just think that robots are machines built by humans to make their lifes easier. Fry: Well, aren't they? Bender: I've never made anyone's life easier and you know it! _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Mary at DesignerDoors.com Wed Nov 28 09:55:26 2001 From: Mary at DesignerDoors.com (Mary Ayala) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Any Problems I should know about Message-ID: <0C0E79993A63D411BC3A00D0B784A7E5378129@DDMAIL> By the way this is a small server that was used to run Citrix WinFrame for our remote users on NT 3.51 (So if I can save us the $4000 or so that it would take for us to upgrade it for NT 4.0 then so much the better. -----Original Message----- From: Jay Kline [mailto:list@slushpupie.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 7:36 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Any Problems I should know about > My concern is that Mandrake's primary focus isn't a server system. > (Mandrake users care to comment?) I would tend to agree. It is great for first time users, and for small to medium sized servers, but it will likely have to much for larger sized servers. However, I want to point out that when you get to larger sized severs, you have to do a lot of customization anyway, and better know what you are doing. Anyone who is capible of all the customization would be able to use any distro they are familior with. So pick what you are comfotable with. Jay -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- You need more time; and you probably always will. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Mary at DesignerDoors.com Wed Nov 28 09:58:16 2001 From: Mary at DesignerDoors.com (Mary Ayala) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ms outlook under WINE? Message-ID: <0C0E79993A63D411BC3A00D0B784A7E537812A@DDMAIL> Are you using Exchange Server for Outlook? -----Original Message----- From: Ben Lutgens [mailto:blutgens@sistina.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 9:02 PM To: tclug Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ms outlook under WINE? On Tue, 2001-11-27 at 10:21, Austad, Jay wrote: > Has anyone managed to get it working? It's the only email application that > can handle my huge mailbox. Plus, I kind of need the scheduling stuff to be > integrated with everyone elses. > > IMAP barely works in any linux email app I try. KMail is the best so far > (at least it finds all of my folders), but when retreiving new mail it > retreives everything instead of starting where it left off. So each check > for new mail takes about 20 minutes to complete. I've been using ximian gnome and evolution to read my mail via IMAP without issue for about a month. I love it. Outlook doesn't have vfolders, or do gpg....nuff said. > > If I could just make Outlook work under WINE, I'd be a happy person (or at > least happier than I am right now). > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens System Administrator Sistina Software Inc. "If you love someone, set them free. If they come home, set them on fire." - George Carlin From duncan at sodatrain.com Wed Nov 28 10:50:53 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Indy Box homepage References: Message-ID: <3C04F8B3.60200@sodatrain.com> Terry Houle wrote: > I was trying to go to the Indy Box homepage and get nothing for the last > couple of day. Are they still around or am I doing something wrong. Using > URL: www.indybox.com > > did you try googles cache? http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:www.indybox.com From eng at pinenet.com Wed Nov 28 11:13:02 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Server class boxes Message-ID: <01C177F6.1393D480.eng@pinenet.com> IBM is also a leading Linux developer with the best support in computing. -----Original Message----- From: Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom [SMTP:chrome@real-time.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 3:26 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Server class boxes One of our clients just handed us an IBM Netfinity to work our magic on. I have to say, this is the nicest x86 box I've looked at (at least as far as servers go). 3 serial ports (one just for serial console); tons of diagnostic LEDs on the mobo; diagnostic port on the mobo; big fans; reasonably sensible power button design (recessed, small button, with a big bezel around it; easy to find, hard to push accidentally); the BIOS will log POST and boot error messages; and there's some sort of diagnostic coprocessor, like a lot of IBMs big iron; case is easy to work on; drive sleds are easy to push & pull. it's a couple of years old (1999); so I don't know if they're the same anymore; but this thing is awfully nice. for another perspective; take a look at www.spinserver.com. they sell cases like Rackable's; where the I/O connectors are on the _front_ of the case, so they're easy to get to when in the rack. they sell cases, and complete systems as well. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Nov 28 11:32:19 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ms outlook under WINE? In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D114@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D114@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <1006965385.3369.0.camel@titanium> On Wed, 2001-11-28 at 00:12, Austad, Jay wrote: > > It does PGP with a plugin (of course, I'd have to get that working too if I > wanted to use it). I really need the scheduling crap since the rest of the > company is so dependent upon it, there's really no way not to use it. > Well, I haven't had very good luck with wine. It's still very beta. vmware on the otherhand is pretty sweet. You could do a really small windoze install, just enough to support lookout. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011128/e7c9b642/attachment.pgp From chrome at real-time.com Wed Nov 28 11:58:07 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ms outlook under WINE? In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D114@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 12:12:28AM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D114@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011128111216.H30047@real-time.com> > Evolution couldn't find any of my IMAP folders. Just my inbox. what mailserver are you using? can any other IMAP client (say, mutt) read those folders? > And do you > have around 50,000 messages in your mailbox? Most mail clients choke on > that many messages when using IMAP. I'm amazed that Outcrook doesn't choke. it craps out when trying to POP a 1MB file over a 56K link; so I'm amazed that it handles IMAP even remotely well (just because of the inferenced quality of the product). > And POP doesn't support folders. not remotely no, you're supposed to sort mail into folders on the client side. > I really need the scheduling crap since the rest of the > company is so dependent upon it, there's really no way not to use it. IMHO, putting scheduling functionality into a mail app is just wrong; but that's because it breaks the UNIX philosophy of many small tools that you can chain together. I think Evolution may eventually support Outlook's scheduler, tho. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From duncan at sodatrain.com Wed Nov 28 12:11:10 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ms outlook under WINE? References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D114@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <3C04FDF0.2000509@sodatrain.com> > Evolution couldn't find any of my IMAP folders. Just my inbox. And do you > have around 50,000 messages in your mailbox? Most mail clients choke on > Wow. why in the world would a person need/want/think about 50K messages in a mailbox? duncan From duncan at sodatrain.com Wed Nov 28 13:12:44 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ms outlook under WINE? References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D114@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <1006965385.3369.0.camel@titanium> Message-ID: <3C05212D.7050305@sodatrain.com> > Well, I haven't had very good luck with wine. It's still very beta. > vmware on the otherhand is pretty sweet. You could do a really small > windoze install, just enough to support lookout. > vmware is great. im running 2.x and love it. i have it so i can use it when i need it. its handy for dreamweaver and the like. also, if you had vmware, and some broadband techie wanted a windoze compueter to install on, just go to full screen mode and work out the details later! duncan From natecars at real-time.com Wed Nov 28 13:29:31 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Fw: *ALERT* BID 3581: Wu-Ftpd File Globbing Heap Corruption Vulnerability] Message-ID: heh, fun. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:05:28 -0700 (MST) From: Dave Ahmad To: "bugtraq@securityfocus.com" Subject: *ALERT* BID 3581: Wu-Ftpd File Globbing Heap Corruption Vulnerability --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Security Alert Subject: Wu-Ftpd File Globbing Heap Corruption Vulnerability BUGTRAQ ID: 3581 CVE ID: CVE-MAP-NOMATCH Published: Nov 27, 2001 Updated: Nov 28, 2001 01:12:56 Remote: Yes Local: No Availability: Always Authentication: Not Required Credibility: Vendor Confirmed Ease: No Exploit Available Class: Failure to Handle Exceptional Conditions Impact: 10.0 Severity: 10.0 Urgency: 8.2 Last Change: Initial analysis. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Vulnerable Systems: Washington University wu-ftpd 2.6.1 + Caldera OpenLinux Server 3.1 + Caldera OpenLinux Workstation 3.1 + Cobalt Qube 1.0 + Conectiva Linux 7.0 + Conectiva Linux 6.0 + MandrakeSoft Corporate Server 1.0.1 + MandrakeSoft Linux Mandrake 8.1 + MandrakeSoft Linux Mandrake 8.0 ppc + MandrakeSoft Linux Mandrake 8.0 + MandrakeSoft Linux Mandrake 7.2 + MandrakeSoft Linux Mandrake 7.1 + MandrakeSoft Linux Mandrake 7.0 + MandrakeSoft Linux Mandrake 6.1 + MandrakeSoft Linux Mandrake 6.0 + RedHat Linux 7.2 noarch + RedHat Linux 7.2 ia64 + RedHat Linux 7.2 i686 + RedHat Linux 7.2 i586 + RedHat Linux 7.2 i386 + RedHat Linux 7.2 athlon + RedHat Linux 7.2 alpha + RedHat Linux 7.1 noarch + RedHat Linux 7.1 ia64 + RedHat Linux 7.1 i686 + RedHat Linux 7.1 i586 + RedHat Linux 7.1 i386 + RedHat Linux 7.1 alpha + RedHat Linux 7.0 sparc + RedHat Linux 7.0 i386 + RedHat Linux 7.0 alpha + TurboLinux TL Workstation 6.1 + TurboLinux Turbo Linux 6.0.5 + TurboLinux Turbo Linux 6.0.4 + TurboLinux Turbo Linux 6.0.3 + TurboLinux Turbo Linux 6.0.2 + TurboLinux Turbo Linux 6.0.1 + TurboLinux Turbo Linux 6.0 + Wirex Immunix OS 7.0-Beta + Wirex Immunix OS 7.0 Washington University wu-ftpd 2.6.0 + Cobalt Qube 1.0 + Conectiva Linux 5.1 + Conectiva Linux 5.0 + Conectiva Linux 4.2 + Conectiva Linux 4.1 + Conectiva Linux 4.0es + Conectiva Linux 4.0 + Debian Linux 2.2 sparc + Debian Linux 2.2 powerpc + Debian Linux 2.2 arm + Debian Linux 2.2 alpha + Debian Linux 2.2 68k + Debian Linux 2.2 + RedHat Linux 6.2 sparc + RedHat Linux 6.2 i386 + RedHat Linux 6.2 alpha + RedHat Linux 6.1 sparc + RedHat Linux 6.1 i386 + RedHat Linux 6.1 alpha + RedHat Linux 6.0 sparc + RedHat Linux 6.0 i386 + RedHat Linux 6.0 alpha + RedHat Linux 5.2 sparc + RedHat Linux 5.2 i386 + RedHat Linux 5.2 alpha + S.u.S.E. Linux 6.4ppc + S.u.S.E. Linux 6.4alpha + S.u.S.E. Linux 6.4 + S.u.S.E. Linux 6.3 ppc + S.u.S.E. Linux 6.3 alpha + S.u.S.E. Linux 6.3 + S.u.S.E. Linux 6.2 + S.u.S.E. Linux 6.1 alpha + S.u.S.E. Linux 6.1 + TurboLinux Turbo Linux 4.0 + Wirex Immunix OS 6.2 Washington University wu-ftpd 2.5.0 + Caldera eDesktop 2.4 + Caldera eServer 2.3.1 + Caldera eServer 2.3 + Caldera OpenLinux 2.4 + Caldera OpenLinux Desktop 2.3 + RedHat Linux 6.0 sparc + RedHat Linux 6.0 i386 + RedHat Linux 6.0 alpha Summary: Wu-Ftpd contains a remotely exploitable heap corruption bug. Impact: A remote attacker may execute arbitrary code on the vulnerable server. Technical Description: Wu-Ftpd is an ftp server based on the BSD ftpd that is maintained by Washington University. Wu-Ftpd allows for clients to organize files for ftp actions based on "file globbing" patterns. File globbing is also used by various shells. The implementation of file globbing included in Wu-Ftpd contains a heap corruption vulnerability that may allow for an attacker to execute arbitrary code on a server remotely. During the processing of a globbing pattern, the Wu-Ftpd implementation creates a list of the files that match. The memory where this data is stored is on the heap, allocated using malloc(). The globbing function simply returns a pointer to the list. It is up to the calling functions to free the allocated memory. If an error occurs processing the pattern, memory will not be allocated and a variable indicating this should be set. The calling functions must check the value of this variable before attempting to use the globbed filenames (and later freeing the memory). When certain globbing patterns are processed, the globbing function does not set this variable when an error occurs. As a result of this, Wu-Ftpd may eventually attempt to free uninitialized memory. There are a number of possibly exploitable conditions. If this region of memory contained user-controllable data before the free call, it may be possible to have an arbitrary word in memory overwritten with an arbitrary value. This can lead to execution of arbitrary code if function pointers or return addresses are overwritten. If anonymous FTP is not enabled, valid user credentials are required to exploit this vulnerability. This vulnerability was initially scheduled for public release on December 3, 2001. However, Red Hat has made details public as of November 27, 2001. As a result, we are forced to warn other users of the vulnerable product, so that they may take appropriate actions. Attack Scenarios: To exploit this vulnerability, an attacker must have either valid credentials required to log in as an FTP user, or anonymous access must be enabled. The attacker must ensure that a maliciously constructed malloc header containing the target address and it's replacement value are in the right location in the uninitialized part of the heap. The attacker must also place shellcode in server process memory. The attacker must send an FTP command containing a specific globbing pattern that does not set the error variable. When the server attempts to free the memory used to store the globbed filenames, the target word in memory will be overwritten. If an attacker overwrites a function pointer or return address with a pointer to the shellcode, it may be executed by the server process. Exploits: The following (from the CORE advisory) demonstrates the existence of this vulnerability: ftp> open localhost Connected to localhost (127.0.0.1). 220 sasha FTP server (Version wu-2.6.1-18) ready. Name (localhost:root): anonymous 331 Guest login ok, send your complete e-mail address as password. Password: 230 Guest login ok, access restrictions apply. Remote system type is UNIX. Using binary mode to transfer files. ftp> ls ~{ 227 Entering Passive Mode (127,0,0,1,241,205) 421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection 1405 ? S 0:00 ftpd: accepting connections on port 21 7611 tty3 S 1:29 gdb /usr/sbin/wu.ftpd 26256 ? S 0:00 ftpd: sasha:anonymous/aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 26265 tty3 R 0:00 bash -c ps ax | grep ftpd (gdb) at 26256 Attaching to program: /usr/sbin/wu.ftpd, process 26256 Symbols already loaded for /lib/libcrypt.so.1 Symbols already loaded for /lib/libnsl.so.1 Symbols already loaded for /lib/libresolv.so.2 Symbols already loaded for /lib/libpam.so.0 Symbols already loaded for /lib/libdl.so.2 Symbols already loaded for /lib/i686/libc.so.6 Symbols already loaded for /lib/ld-linux.so.2 Symbols already loaded for /lib/libnss_files.so.2 Symbols already loaded for /lib/libnss_nisplus.so.2 Symbols already loaded for /lib/libnss_nis.so.2 0x40165544 in __libc_read () from /lib/i686/libc.so.6 (gdb) c Continuing. Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. __libc_free (mem=0x61616161) at malloc.c:3136 3136 in malloc.c Currently the SecurityFocus staff are not aware of any exploits for this issue. If you feel we are in error or are aware of more recent information, please mail us at: vuldb@securityfocus.com Mitigating Strategies: This vulnerability is remotely exploitable. Restricting access to the network port, (TCP port 21 is standard for FTP), will block clients from unauthorized networks. With some operating systems, anonymous FTP is enabled by default. Anonymous FTP is often in use on public FTP sites, most often software repositories. It is basically a guest account with access to download files from within a restricted environment. This vulnerability is exploitable by clients logged in through anonymous FTP. Anonymous FTP should be disabled immediately until fixes are available, as it would allow any host on the Internet who can connect to the service to exploit this vulnerability. It is a good idea to disable it normally unless it is absolutely necessary (in which case the FTP server should be on a dedicated, isolated host). Stack and other memory protection schemes may complicate exploitability, and/or prevent commonly available exploits from working. This should not be relied upon for security. This vulnerability involves 'poking' words in memory. This means that there are many different ways that it may be exploited. Making the stack non-executable or checking the integrity of stack variables may not be enough to prevent all possibile methods of exploitation. It is advised to disable the service and use alternatives until fixes are available. Solutions: Vendor notified on Nov 14, 2001. Fixes will be available from the author as well as from vendors who ship products that include Wu-Ftpd as core or optional components. This vulnerability was initially scheduled for public release on December 3, 2001. Red Hat pre-emptively released an advisory on November 27, 2001. As a result, other vendors may not yet have fixes available. This record will be updated as fixes from various vendors become available. For Washington University wu-ftpd 2.6.1: Red Hat RPM 6.2 alpha wu-ftpd-2.6.1-0.6x.21.alpha.rpm ftp://updates.redhat.com/6.2/en/os/alpha/wu-ftpd-2.6.1-0.6x.21.alpha.rpm Red Hat RPM 6.2 sparc wu-ftpd-2.6.1-0.6x.21.sparc.rpm ftp://updates.redhat.com/6.2/en/os/sparc/wu-ftpd-2.6.1-0.6x.21.sparc.rpm Red Hat RPM 7.0 alpha wu-ftpd-2.6.1-16.7x.1.alpha.rpm ftp://updates.redhat.com/7.0/en/os/alpha/wu-ftpd-2.6.1-16.7x.1.alpha.rpm Red Hat RPM 7.0 i386 wu-ftpd-2.6.1-16.7x.1.i386.rpm ftp://updates.redhat.com/7.0/en/os/i386/wu-ftpd-2.6.1-16.7x.1.i386.rpm Red Hat RPM 7.1 alpha wu-ftpd-2.6.1-16.7x.1.alpha.rpm ftp://updates.redhat.com/7.1/en/os/alpha/wu-ftpd-2.6.1-16.7x.1.alpha.rpm Red Hat RPM 7.1 i386 wu-ftpd-2.6.1-16.7x.1.i386.rpm ftp://updates.redhat.com/7.1/en/os/i386/wu-ftpd-2.6.1-16.7x.1.i386.rpm Red Hat RPM 7.1 ia64 wu-ftpd-2.6.1-16.7x.1.ia64.rpm ftp://updates.redhat.com/7.1/en/os/ia64/wu-ftpd-2.6.1-16.7x.1.ia64.rpm Red Hat RPM 7.2 i386 wu-ftpd-2.6.1-20.i386.rpm ftp://updates.redhat.com/7.2/en/os/i386/wu-ftpd-2.6.1-20.i386.rpm Red Hat RPM 6.2 i386 wu-ftpd-2.6.1-0.6x.21.i386.rpm ftp://updates.redhat.com/6.2/en/os/i386/wu-ftpd-2.6.1-0.6x.21.i386.rpm Credit: Condition first reported by Matt Power, deemed non-exploitable. Rediscovered and exploitability later confirmed by Luciano Notarfrancesco and Juan Pablo Martinez Kuhn from Core Security Technologies, Buenos Aires, Argentina. References: advisory: RedHat RHSA-2001:157-06: Updated wu-ftpd packages are available http://www.securityfocus.com/advisories/3680 web page: CORE SDI Homepage (CORE) http://www.core-sdi.com web page: Wu-Ftpd Homepage (Washington University) http://www.wu-ftpd.org ChangeLog: Nov 26, 2001: Initial analysis. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- HOW TO INTERPRET THIS ALERT BUGTRAQ ID: This is a unique identifier assigned to the vulnerability by SecurityFocus.com. CVE ID: This is a unique identifier assigned to the vulnerability by the CVE. Published: The date the vulnerability was first made public. Updated: The date the information was last updated. Remote: Whether this is a remotely exploitable vulnerability. Local: Whether this is a locally exploitable vulnerability. 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Related Resources: Resources that might be of additional value. ChangeLog: History of changes to the vulnerability record. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Copyright 2001 SecurityFocus.com ---------- SecurityFocus - the leading provider of Security Intelligence Services for business. Visit our website at www.securityfocus.com From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Nov 28 13:41:10 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ms outlook under WINE? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D119@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > Wow. why in the world would a person need/want/think about > 50K messages > in a mailbox? I'm on many different mailing lists for various software packages, security lists, and other things. Plus, I get several hundred emails a week from people I work with on various issues. I get nearly 1000 messages a day, and most get deleted. I delete what I can do without, but I really need to keep as much around as possible in case I need to look back on it. I lost about 3 months of mail from late 1999, and I find myself needing to go back and find stuff from then fairly often. My mailbox tends to act as my memory for almost all of my work related stuff. If I delete something, chances are I will forget the details of it 3 months later. One of the Kmail developers told me that Outlook uses IMAP to pull mail from an exchange server, but I think he's wrong. Outlook connects to ports 1225 and 1226 on the exchange server, not the IMAP port. Exchange sends notifications to the client when new mail arrives also, with IMAP, you have to check every few minutes. Having the scheduling, mail, task lists, and other things all together is actually nice once you've gotten used to it. I'm much more productive now that I was at my last company where we had separate systems for everything, and no integrated scheduling. I think the concept of Exchange/Lotus Notes is right, but the implementations suck. Outlook is bloated and slow, Exchange is buggy, Notes just plain sucks ass in all respects (except for the "runs on Solaris" part). PHPGroupware is nice, but the requirement of a web interface to use it sucks, although, I think they are working on a KDE or GNOME client that just pulls and posts XML in the background. Isn't The Kompany working on an integrated system for Aethera? Or was that the gnome people for Evolution? Right now, there are no open standards for this type of thing, and there needs to be. Even better, whatever kind of server that ends up getting developed for linux needs to have some sort of connector to MS Exchange so companies could have a nice easy migration path, instead of just tearing out one system and replacing it with another. And it also needs to have some sort of clustering/redundancy built in. Notes and Exchange have a rather poor implementation of clustering, but it does work, and it will most likely save your ass if one of the servers dies/crashes/explodes. I know I wouldn't implement any kind of mailserver solution in a large corporate environment without some sort of failover (preferably transparent). Failover should be easy, just replicate every database transaction to your standby server, and use tools from the linuxHA project to do the actual failover monitoring. I don't know how easy it is to replicate both ways, but if it was easy, setting up a cluster using the linux virtual server would be fairly trivial also. Bah, enough of my ranting. I have work to do. In fact, work to do on mailservers, something which I'm quite sick of. Jay > > duncan > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Wed Nov 28 14:11:00 2001 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] low-end sendmail for envelope masquerading Message-ID: <15365.14015.727342.614770@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> At home, I read and compose my email with VM in Xemacs. The only problem wiht this from my standpoint is that sometimes it takes a long time to send a message and the emacs will block while the SMTP transaction goes on. So I had the idea of installing sendmail and using envelope masquerading and a smart host (there's a sendmail-address-rewriting HOWTO about how to do this). Then my email would just leave emacs and be slurped up by sendmail, effectively instantaneously, allowing me to progress. Well, the smart-host configuration is working like a champ, but the envelope masquerading isn't. Just doesn't seem to do anything. When I look at mail I send out through sendmail, I just see @localhost.localdomain I can't find anything in the sendmail doc to explain how to troubleshoot this kind of problem. No options that suggest how to watch a piece of mail enter sendmail and walk through all those rules (and rules and rules and rules....). Anyone have any suggestions? I suppose another alternative would just be to make myself a trusted_user and then have emacs do the envelope masquerading.... Thanks, R From amy at real-time.com Wed Nov 28 14:13:46 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] chkconfig off Message-ID: <20011128131416.Z13817@real-time.com> According to the man page for chkconfig, the on and off options affect only runlevels 3,4,5. Does anyone know why that is? In my kickstart post install script, I have a section that turns off a bunch of services and I was doing it by: chkconfig off but then noticed that run level 2 always remained on. What are the consequences of doing it this way, vs specifying all levels manually? I'm not sure what happens during runlevel 2 so I don't know if this is a big deal or not. Thanks. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From amy at real-time.com Wed Nov 28 14:22:02 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] removing xinetd services Message-ID: <20011128131833.A13817@real-time.com> What is the best way to remove particular xinetd services from a box? I can turn the service off, but would prefer to remove them entirely. Can someone enlighten me on why certain services are run out of xinetd.d vs init.d? Or point me to a URL explaining. Thank you. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From chrome at real-time.com Wed Nov 28 15:23:17 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] chkconfig off In-Reply-To: <20011128131416.Z13817@real-time.com>; from amy@real-time.com on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 01:14:16PM -0600 References: <20011128131416.Z13817@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011128142918.B22631@real-time.com> > According to the man page for chkconfig, the on and off options affect > only runlevels 3,4,5. Does anyone know why that is? only if you don't specify a --level argument. it's that way, because of RedHat's default runlevel configuration; wherein: 1 - single user 2 - multiuser, no network 3 - normal, text-mode 4 - undefined 5 - normal, with GUI autostarted since runlevel 2 is sort of a 'maintenance level'; you wouldn't want to cause things to be started there, accidentally. > In my kickstart post install script, I have a section that turns off > a bunch of services and I was doing it by: > > chkconfig off > > but then noticed that run level 2 always remained on. What are the > consequences of doing it this way, vs specifying all levels manually? > I'm not sure what happens during runlevel 2 so I don't know if this > is a big deal or not. you could do a 'chkconfig --level 2345 off'; or a 'chkconfig --del '. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From blayer at qwest.net Wed Nov 28 15:31:36 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] filtering mail in Sylpheed Message-ID: <20011128143847.46eacd7b.blayer@qwest.net> Hi hi, Is anyone able to get message filtering to work in Sylpheed? I've tried making rules a dozen times, and the software just seems to totally ignore all of them. The rulemaking process is pretty simple, and I really can't imagine what I am screwing up. thanks, -.bill.layer.- .-frogtown.mn.usa.- .-Microsoft.Windows.XP.- -.suddenly.everything.sucks-. From natecars at real-time.com Wed Nov 28 15:35:17 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] chkconfig off In-Reply-To: <20011128131416.Z13817@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, Amy Tanner wrote: > According to the man page for chkconfig, the on and off options affect > only runlevels 3,4,5. Does anyone know why that is? > > In my kickstart post install script, I have a section that turns off > a bunch of services and I was doing it by: > > chkconfig off > > but then noticed that run level 2 always remained on. What are the > consequences of doing it this way, vs specifying all levels manually? > I'm not sure what happens during runlevel 2 so I don't know if this > is a big deal or not. chkconfig --del service works better -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Nov 28 15:38:58 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Handspring Message-ID: I just bought myself a new Handspring. My first problem is that it came with a USB cradle and I want a serial. New cradles cost $30. I figure there can't be too much difference between the two cradles. Is there any sort of simple hack to make my USB cradle a serial? I want a serial for several reasons, most notably to use it as a VT220 terminal. -Brian From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Nov 28 15:52:02 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: ms outlook under WINE? In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D119@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D119@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011128145939.X30126@ringworld.org> * Austad, Jay [011128 13:46]: > One of the Kmail developers told me that Outlook uses IMAP to pull mail from Supposedly newer versions of exchange/outlook use IETF protocols. Your probally attaching to a non-exchange-2k or whatever the new version is server. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From florin at iucha.net Wed Nov 28 16:24:04 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] filtering mail in Sylpheed In-Reply-To: <20011128143847.46eacd7b.blayer@qwest.net>; from blayer@qwest.net on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 02:38:47PM -0600 References: <20011128143847.46eacd7b.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20011128153743.C20593@beaver.iucha.org> On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 02:38:47PM -0600, Bill Layer wrote: > Hi hi, > > Is anyone able to get message filtering to work in Sylpheed? I've tried > making rules a dozen times, and the software just seems to totally ignore > all of them. The rulemaking process is pretty simple, and I really can't > imagine what I am screwing up. Uhm... like using sylpheed as procmail? florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011128/b30d6167/attachment.pgp From blayer at qwest.net Wed Nov 28 16:35:31 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Handspring In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011128162512.109cc80b.blayer@qwest.net> On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:57:04 -0600 (CST) "Brian" wrote: > I just bought myself a new Handspring. My first problem is that it came > with a USB cradle and I want a serial. New cradles cost $30. I figure > there can't be too much difference between the two cradles. There is a major difference, and it has to do with the way the Handspring is built. The USB cradle is little more than a plain set of wires that connects the Handspring (which is *itself* the USB device) to the computer or USB hub. The serial cradle contains a set of electronics that essentially mimic a USB hub (or USB root adapter) with a serial interface. There is no practical way to hack the USB cradle to a serial cradle. > I want a serial for > several reasons, most notably to use it as a VT220 terminal. This might also be a problem.. I have *heard* that the Handspring serial cradle is a very non-standard RS-232 implementation. With PalmPilot devices, it has usually been possible to connect a serial modem to the plug on the Pilot serial cradle, and use it to communicate. Due to the design of the Handspring serial interface, this is supposedly not possible on a Handspring. If a modem can't be connected, I don't expect that the serial interface will support terminal function either. Good luck with this, and let me know what you discover. Bill From amy at real-time.com Wed Nov 28 16:38:33 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] samba, winbind, uploading printer drivers Message-ID: <20011128162302.F13817@real-time.com> I'm trying to setup samba + winbind to allow uploading and downloading of printer drivers from a windows client. Otherwise attaching to the printers and installing the drivers manually work fine. I've followed the instructions from the samba howto collection but still can't get it to work. I've defined the print$ share, created the appropriate printer subdirectories on the samba box, set the printer admin list and write list appropriately. From duncan at sodatrain.com Wed Nov 28 17:10:47 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT} google and sept 11 (and other dates) Message-ID: <3C053998.9000409@sodatrain.com> Google has stats on search queires on sept 11th, as well as other dates: Sept 11: http://www.google.com/press/zeitgeist/9-11-search.html Other dates: http://www.google.com/press/zeitgeist.html Ive always been interested in this info, sorry if you are not. duncan From hb1551 at ezlink.com.tw Wed Nov 28 17:13:48 2001 From: hb1551 at ezlink.com.tw (Hamburg Industries Co., Ltd.) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BEST SMART/SIM CARD (IC CARD) CONNECTOR MANUFACTURER Message-ID: <200111282018.fASKISl24451@esus.mc.mpls.visi.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011128/23bf4423/attachment.html From blayer at qwest.net Wed Nov 28 17:31:07 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] filtering mail in Sylpheed In-Reply-To: <20011128143847.46eacd7b.blayer@qwest.net> References: <20011128143847.46eacd7b.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20011128162932.3e86034b.blayer@qwest.net> On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:38:47 -0600 "Bill Layer" wrote: > Is anyone able to get message filtering to work in Sylpheed? Ignore me, I figured it out. 'Filter on Incoming' was not checked in the account profile. Bill From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Nov 28 17:38:52 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Handspring In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011128223510.397DD450E@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> On Wednesday 28 November 2001 02:57 pm, you wrote: > I just bought myself a new Handspring. My first problem is that it came > with a USB cradle and I want a serial. New cradles cost $30. I figure > there can't be too much difference between the two cradles. Is there any > sort of simple hack to make my USB cradle a serial? I want a serial for > several reasons, most notably to use it as a VT220 terminal. Well, the USB cradle's work fine in Linux. modprove visor ln -s /dev/ttyUSB1 /dev/pilot Don't know about using it as a serial terminal that way, but it is just usb-serial so it should work. More info can be found in your kernel documentation or http://usbvisor.sourceforge.net As for a USB <-> serial converter/hack, you're prob better off just plunking down 30 bucks. I find it handy to have mutiple cradles myself. I have one for my home box, one for my work box, and just the cable version for my laptop. -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org/~zibby Bender: You just think that robots are machines built by humans to make their lifes easier. Fry: Well, aren't they? Bender: I've never made anyone's life easier and you know it! From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Nov 28 17:51:41 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] filtering mail in Sylpheed In-Reply-To: <20011128143847.46eacd7b.blayer@qwest.net> References: <20011128143847.46eacd7b.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20011128170405.4342fd49.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "Bill Layer" wrote: > > Is anyone able to get message filtering to work in Sylpheed? I've tried > making rules a dozen times, and the software just seems to totally > ignore all of them. The rulemaking process is pretty simple, and I > really can't imagine what I am screwing up. You are clicking the `Register' button after creating a rule, and it shows up in the `Registered Rules' scrollbox, right? -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Diagonally parked in a / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ parallel universe. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011128/6987a492/attachment.pgp From marc at ds6.net Wed Nov 28 18:52:07 2001 From: marc at ds6.net (Marc A. Ohmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT} google and sept 11 (and other dates) In-Reply-To: <3C053998.9000409@sodatrain.com>; from duncan@sodatrain.com on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 01:23:04PM -0600 References: <3C053998.9000409@sodatrain.com> Message-ID: <20011128173551.A15651@flanders.digsol.net> On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 01:23:04PM -0600, duncan wrote: > Google has stats on search queires on sept 11th, as well as other dates: > > Sept 11: > http://www.google.com/press/zeitgeist/9-11-search.html > > Other dates: > http://www.google.com/press/zeitgeist.html > > Ive always been interested in this info, sorry if you are not. > > duncan I'll never understand why people would search for cnn don't they know its cnn.com? My brother-in-law searches google for hotmail whenever he wants to check his mail -- he says its faster than typing hotmail.com. Some people I just don't get. -- Marc A. Ohmann Digital Solutions, Inc http://ds6.net marc@ds6.net From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Nov 28 18:54:54 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4.15/2.5 fs bug In-Reply-To: <003001c17814$f8bbf0b0$3028680a@tgt.com> References: <20011124163446.A1172@assimilated.org> <003401c17681$5a77e470$3028680a@tgt.com> <20011126105536.B1724@wookimus.net> <003001c17814$f8bbf0b0$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20011128173650.B929@wookimus.net> On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 08:00:00AM -0600, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > I am sure somebody will find one in short order. My point was that I > can not believe developers have done there testing in the 2.4 "Stable" > series instead of branching and starting the 2.5 series, as they > should have 9 months ago. I think the Linux kernel should be > maintained via cvs/cvsup instead of bulk archive downloads -- but that > is another issue. Create one tree for stable and one tree for > current, in the FreeBSD model. Historically speaking, 2.4.x has been the most dynamic kernel of the bunch, as far as major changes go. I don't need to go into details here, regardless it is very atypical for the stable kernel to change so much. Read the lkml for more heated debates on the subject. The long and short of it, I agree. CVS and CVSup may not be the best tools for the number of separate branches that need to be coordinated, but either is better than none. There's been many discussions and arguments regarding this very topic. See lkml for more flamage. The upside is this. 2.4.x has been handed over to Marcelo to maintain. Linus, the dynamic man, is "out of the stable loop", so to speak. Additional things to be happy about are the full integration of LVM and ext3 in the stable kernel. I now have less to patch when I want to build a new kernel! Yay! One thing you might consider. Start a CVS tree of your own. Oh, there's a Linux distribution out there called Gentile, I think, that's based on a ports-like system. I'd be surprised if they didn't have a CVS for the kernel. Check it out. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011128/12a2a4c6/attachment.pgp From tanner at real-time.com Wed Nov 28 19:37:34 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Graph of linux-kernel injection Message-ID: <20011128175103.I5414@real-time.com> Thanks to Rias for his niffty perl script! http://mailman.mn-linux.org/tclug-list/ You can now see the progress of the linux-kernel inject online. It's updated every hour. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From list at slushpupie.com Wed Nov 28 20:17:15 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT} google and sept 11 (and other dates) In-Reply-To: <20011128173551.A15651@flanders.digsol.net> References: <3C053998.9000409@sodatrain.com> <20011128173551.A15651@flanders.digsol.net> Message-ID: <20011129012620.CMQC28531.femail45.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> A lot of that comes from plain ignorance. I taught a senior citizen community ed class on the internet, and many people did not know the difference between a "browser" and a "server" To them, it was all jargon, and it was difficult to explain things in terms they could understand. Now, that is an extreeme case, but there are a lot of people out there that do not know you can just type the location you want to go to in the location bar. They either open the "Go To" box, click on the search button (to google or msn or whatever). On that subject, I would guess everyone reading this has a fairly good grasp of how to at least surf the net. The next time you see someone doing things the hard way, instead of mocking them, show them an easier way. Maybe if we can increase the 'net IQ of people, MS would not be as able to control mass populations. :-) (this excludes the stubern people who dont care what you have to say, of course) Jay On Wednesday 28 November 2001 05:35 pm, you wrote: > On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 01:23:04PM -0600, duncan wrote: > > Google has stats on search queires on sept 11th, as well as other dates: > > > > Sept 11: > > http://www.google.com/press/zeitgeist/9-11-search.html > > > > Other dates: > > http://www.google.com/press/zeitgeist.html > > > > Ive always been interested in this info, sorry if you are not. > > > > duncan > > I'll never understand why people would search for cnn don't they know its > cnn.com? My brother-in-law searches google for hotmail whenever he wants > to check his mail -- he says its faster than typing hotmail.com. Some > people I just don't get. -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- Suspicion always haunts the guilty mind. -- Wm. Shakespeare From peter-clark at tides.com Wed Nov 28 22:43:48 2001 From: peter-clark at tides.com (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] umounting Message-ID: <200111290317.fAT3HFx23274@pimout3-int.prodigy.net> I was toying with usbmgr this evening when I discovered that it has the ability to run scripts whenever some USBish is plugged in or removed. "Ah-ha!" quoth I, "Now I can automatically mount and umount my DiskOnKey drive!" A quick test demonstrated that yes, I can automatically mount it whenever I plug it in, but automatic umounting produces an error (no big surprise, since the script umounts the drive whenever it is pulled, so naturally there is no physical drive to umount, only the mount point). On further reflection, I wondered if this was such a good idea. The DiskOnKey partition is vfat (for cross-platform friendliness) and as far as I understand matters, so long as I do not pull it out when the LED is blinking rapidly (indicating data transfer), things should be fine. It's basically flash memory, so aside from producing a small error message in /var/log/messages, everything should be fine, right? Several tests haven't resulted in any apparent corruption, but I'd like to know the more technical side of the matter. TIA, :Peter From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Nov 28 23:14:06 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] umounting Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D122@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> I've pulled out my CF card from the reader without unmounting, and without the light blinking, and it corrupted the filesystem. Your best bet is to use something like supermount, which will always make sure the data on your removable devices is synced. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Clark [mailto:peter-clark@tides.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 9:16 PM > To: TCLUG > Subject: [TCLUG] umounting > > > I was toying with usbmgr this evening when I discovered > that it has the > ability to run scripts whenever some USBish is plugged in or removed. > "Ah-ha!" quoth I, "Now I can automatically mount and umount > my DiskOnKey > drive!" A quick test demonstrated that yes, I can > automatically mount it > whenever I plug it in, but automatic umounting produces an > error (no big > surprise, since the script umounts the drive whenever it is > pulled, so > naturally there is no physical drive to umount, only the > mount point). On > further reflection, I wondered if this was such a good idea. > The DiskOnKey partition is vfat (for cross-platform > friendliness) and as far > as I understand matters, so long as I do not pull it out when > the LED is > blinking rapidly (indicating data transfer), things should be > fine. It's > basically flash memory, so aside from producing a small error > message in > /var/log/messages, everything should be fine, right? Several > tests haven't > resulted in any apparent corruption, but I'd like to know the > more technical > side of the matter. > TIA, > :Peter > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Nov 28 23:32:10 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] winex runs diablo2 full version Message-ID: <1007007338.6525.0.camel@minime> I happened to notice a new version of winex that claimed to have fixed the copy protection problem so games like diablo2 would work. I decided to try and was pleasantly surprised! I snapped some screens here. http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/diablo2/ -- Ben Lutgens System Administrator Sistina Software Inc. "If you love someone, set them free. If they come home, set them on fire." - George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011128/241108ec/attachment.pgp From jpschewe at mtu.net Wed Nov 28 23:39:56 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DLT 4000 help Message-ID: I've got a DLT 4000 tape drive and I've got some DLT IV tapes, however they were last used in a DLT 7000 drive, so they've been formatted at a higher density. I'm trying to convince Linux to erase them, using mt -f /dev/st0 erase. However when I do that the tape goes for a bit then I get an I/O error. Does anyone know how to fix this? Thanks. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From esper at sherohman.org Wed Nov 28 23:42:54 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] umounting In-Reply-To: <200111290317.fAT3HFx23274@pimout3-int.prodigy.net>; from peter-clark@tides.com on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 09:16:05PM -0600 References: <200111290317.fAT3HFx23274@pimout3-int.prodigy.net> Message-ID: <20011128230539.D23960@sherohman.org> On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 09:16:05PM -0600, Peter Clark wrote: > The DiskOnKey partition is vfat (for cross-platform friendliness) and as far > as I understand matters, so long as I do not pull it out when the LED is > blinking rapidly (indicating data transfer), things should be fine. It's > basically flash memory, so aside from producing a small error message in > /var/log/messages, everything should be fine, right? Several tests haven't > resulted in any apparent corruption, but I'd like to know the more technical > side of the matter. Not familiar with the particular device, but I suspect you're partially correct: If you don't yank the plug out while the light is flashing, you should be safe from filesystem corruption. However, you'll still be susceptible to data loss, due to Linux's aggressive use of caching. To take a more easily-observable example, mount a floppy and save something to it. The save was probably completed almost instantly and quite possibly without the drive light even blinking. Now unmount the disk and wait while the cached data is actually written to the disk. The kernel will do the same thing with your DOK (unless it was mounted with the sync option - but, according to man mount, vfat ignores that option anyhow). Pull the floppy/DOK out after saving and before the kernel flushes the cache (either because you unmounted it or because the kernel wanted the cache space for something else), and you've just lost your data. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Nov 29 01:27:34 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: winex runs diablo2 full version In-Reply-To: <1007007338.6525.0.camel@minime> References: <1007007338.6525.0.camel@minime> Message-ID: <20011129003221.D30126@ringworld.org> * Ben Lutgens [011128 23:34]: > the copy protection problem so games like diablo2 would work. I decided > to try and was pleasantly surprised! I snapped some screens here. Be good, and engage in something 'like' the street performer protocol and give money to transgaming to continue working on winex. :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From tanner at real-time.com Thu Nov 29 01:30:23 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Netbeans dev build? Message-ID: <20011129003247.F21051@real-time.com> Anyone have netbeans dev build? I hate asking this of the list, but www.netbeans.org's download feature has been broken for weeks. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Nov 29 03:49:30 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SGI and the Itanic In-Reply-To: <20011128081351.A8924@candle.mn.mediaone.net> References: <20011124120824.E28452@real-time.com> <20011128081351.A8924@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20011128095423.7aa2ab3d.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Nate Straz wrote: > > SGI Origin/Onyx 3000 machines are built from "bricks." There are > several types of bricks that make up a system. [snip] > P PCI brick, include (I think) 6 PCI buses with 2 slots each That's cool.. Anyone know of PC motherboards that split off and have several PCI buses? It'd be great to stick slower devices on one bus (ISA bus, USB, etc), then faster bits on another (Ethernet, FireWire, IDE and/or SCSI). I guess Apple does something like this on some of their machines (my brother's PowerBook, at least). Then again, maybe there isn't much of an advantage to that.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Linux: The choice of a GNU / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Generation \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011129/68de67d9/attachment.pgp From petre.scheie at nextelpartners.com Thu Nov 29 04:24:10 2001 From: petre.scheie at nextelpartners.com (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need Sendmail/mrtg help In-Reply-To: <002501c17819$27737c80$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> References: <002501c17819$27737c80$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> Message-ID: <20011128.15572200@gromit.> Assuming your question is "how to write a script that sends mail" and not "how to get MRTG to call a script", you could do something like the following: --snip-- #!/usr/bin/sh TO="your.name@your.address.com" POST () { mail $1 <>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 11/28/01, 8:29:57 AM, "Raymond Norton" wrote regarding [TCLUG] need Sendmail/mrtg help: > I am setting up our MRTG configs to use the Threshold feature, and send out > an automated email when traffic reaches 0%. I understand how to make the > additions to my configs, but I am at a loss how to write a script that can > be called by MRTG which will send the email when the threshold is reached. > I am using RedHat 7.1 and Sendmail 8.11 > Can anyone help me with this? > Raymond > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Thu Nov 29 05:58:48 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail clients Message-ID: <20011128160818.0CFC828E4B@thursday.freeze.com> I read almost all my mail sitting at my desk where I have Xwindows, and thus I use Kmail because I like it. However, once and a while I need to access my mail from remote, and all I have availible to me is vnc (yuck) or ssh. Is there a decent console mail client that is compatable with Kmail's storage? I need this more for reading existing email than downloading new messages or sending mail. I am not 100% sure about the format Kmail uses (mbox ?) so if anyone knows that, I can try to find someting on my own too. Thanks, Jay From ray at lctn.k12.mn.us Thu Nov 29 08:19:55 2001 From: ray at lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail clients References: <20011128160818.0CFC828E4B@thursday.freeze.com> Message-ID: <01dd01c178d2$99c9f7a0$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> I am not sure if this holds the answer for you, but there is a command line mail program on the Blat site, Getmail. http://www.interlog.com/~tcharron/blat.html Raymond ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Kline" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 10:08 AM Subject: [TCLUG] mail clients > I read almost all my mail sitting at my desk where I have Xwindows, and thus > I use Kmail because I like it. However, once and a while I need to access my > mail from remote, and all I have availible to me is vnc (yuck) or ssh. Is > there a decent console mail client that is compatable with Kmail's storage? I > need this more for reading existing email than downloading new messages or > sending mail. I am not 100% sure about the format Kmail uses (mbox ?) so if > anyone knows that, I can try to find someting on my own too. > > Thanks, > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From nate at techie.com Thu Nov 29 08:54:01 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SGI and the Itanic In-Reply-To: <20011128095423.7aa2ab3d.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 09:54:23AM -0600 References: <20011124120824.E28452@real-time.com> <20011128081351.A8924@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <20011128095423.7aa2ab3d.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011129075200.A27729@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 09:54:23AM -0600, Mike Hicks wrote: > Nate Straz wrote: > > > > SGI Origin/Onyx 3000 machines are built from "bricks." There are > > several types of bricks that make up a system. > [snip] > > P PCI brick, include (I think) 6 PCI buses with 2 slots each > > That's cool.. Anyone know of PC motherboards that split off and have > several PCI buses? It'd be great to stick slower devices on one bus (ISA > bus, USB, etc), then faster bits on another (Ethernet, FireWire, IDE > and/or SCSI). I think it's mostly for hot-plug PCI. You need to shut down the bus before you take the card out. So with this design, you're only shutting down one other card. I believe all the slots in the P-brick are 66Mhz. I think there are also a few slots in the I-brick, one 66Mhz and one 33Mhz. I'd have to check the specs to be sure. Nate From spencer at autonomous.tv Thu Nov 29 10:00:07 2001 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT} google and sept 11 (and other dates) In-Reply-To: <20011128173551.A15651@flanders.digsol.net>; from marc@ds6.net on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 05:35:51PM -0600 References: <3C053998.9000409@sodatrain.com> <20011128173551.A15651@flanders.digsol.net> Message-ID: <20011129091910.C25825@Mail> * Marc A. Ohmann (marc@ds6.net) wrote: > > I'll never understand why people would search for cnn don't they know its cnn.com? My brother-in-law searches google for hotmail whenever he wants to check his mail -- he says its faster than typing hotmail.com. Some people I just don't get. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ My sentiments exactly. cnn.com is the home of cnn, when it is up. On Sept. 11, it was not. Besides google does a MUCH better job of combing the web than any internal site search engine I have run across. Google is contracted to do the search on alot of major web-sites. I believe they just took over(hmmm. somebody big that couldn't handle it [flame me on this brain lart]) a large portal's search facility because the knew google is superior. How can you go wrong with 10k+ linux boxen. As far as searching google for your hotmail account, that is just silly.IMO If you think I am just an antagonist ba@#$tard then please express your views over on OPN #tclug. Thank you for your time. Spencer Butler Twin Cities Open Systems 6126368989@voicestream.net | spencer@autonomous.tv http://tcos.stderr.net | http://autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011129/8c4e354d/attachment.pgp From esper at sherohman.org Thu Nov 29 10:03:19 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SGI and the Itanic In-Reply-To: <20011128095423.7aa2ab3d.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 09:54:23AM -0600 References: <20011124120824.E28452@real-time.com> <20011128081351.A8924@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <20011128095423.7aa2ab3d.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011129092512.A26725@sherohman.org> On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 09:54:23AM -0600, Mike Hicks wrote: > That's cool.. Anyone know of PC motherboards that split off and have > several PCI buses? It'd be great to stick slower devices on one bus (ISA > bus, USB, etc), then faster bits on another (Ethernet, FireWire, IDE > and/or SCSI). I guess Apple does something like this on some of their > machines (my brother's PowerBook, at least). > > Then again, maybe there isn't much of an advantage to that.. I just put together an ABIT KT7A-based system last night and, based on (my memory of) the system diagrams in the manual, it appears to have something similar to what you describe with one bus (the "north bridge") handling PCI cards and a separate bus ("south bridge") for the single ISA slot, PS/2 connector, keyboard, etc. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From list at slushpupie.com Thu Nov 29 10:07:14 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail clients In-Reply-To: <01dd01c178d2$99c9f7a0$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> References: <20011128160818.0CFC828E4B@thursday.freeze.com> <01dd01c178d2$99c9f7a0$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> Message-ID: <20011129152834.RTC7814.femail7.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> No, that is a windows smtp client. Does anyone know if Mutt or Pine (or anything else) uses the same format as Kmail? That would be an ideal solution Jay On Thursday 29 November 2001 06:37 am, you wrote: > I am not sure if this holds the answer for you, but there is a command line > mail program on the Blat site, Getmail. > > http://www.interlog.com/~tcharron/blat.html > > > Raymond > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jay Kline" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 10:08 AM > Subject: [TCLUG] mail clients > > > I read almost all my mail sitting at my desk where I have Xwindows, and > > thus > > > I use Kmail because I like it. However, once and a while I need to > > access > > my > > > mail from remote, and all I have availible to me is vnc (yuck) or ssh. > > Is there a decent console mail client that is compatable with Kmail's > > storage? I > > > need this more for reading existing email than downloading new messages > > or sending mail. I am not 100% sure about the format Kmail uses (mbox ?) > > so > > if > > > anyone knows that, I can try to find someting on my own too. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jay > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota > > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- Caution: breathing may be hazardous to your health. From tomc at kendeco.com Thu Nov 29 10:15:42 2001 From: tomc at kendeco.com (Tom Cross) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT} google and sept 11 (and other dates) In-Reply-To: <20011128173551.A15651@flanders.digsol.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, Marc A. Ohmann wrote: > On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 01:23:04PM -0600, duncan wrote: > > Google has stats on search queires on sept 11th, as well as other dates: > > > > Sept 11: > > http://www.google.com/press/zeitgeist/9-11-search.html > > > > Other dates: > > http://www.google.com/press/zeitgeist.html > > > > Ive always been interested in this info, sorry if you are not. > > > > duncan > > I'll never understand why people would search for cnn don't they know > its cnn.com? My brother-in-law searches google for hotmail whenever > he wants to check his mail -- he says its faster than typing > hotmail.com. Some people I just don't get. You must not have been trying to get to cnn on the morning of Sept 11 then. Cnn.com was unreachable for a LONG time. People went to Google to get google's cached version of cnn which probably came up 1000 times faster. Not as updated, but in reasonable amount of time... -- Tom Cross Voice: 320-253-1020 FAX: 320-253-6956 System Administrator E-mail: tomc@kendeco.com Airgas Kendeco Tool Crib http://www.kendeco.com --> Now with new and improved extension number 207!!! <-- St Cloud Area Linux Users Group: http://www.scalug.org From tomc at kendeco.com Thu Nov 29 10:18:37 2001 From: tomc at kendeco.com (Tom Cross) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] winex runs diablo2 full version In-Reply-To: <1007007338.6525.0.camel@minime> Message-ID: On 28 Nov 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: > I happened to notice a new version of winex that claimed to have fixed > the copy protection problem so games like diablo2 would work. I decided > to try and was pleasantly surprised! I snapped some screens here. > > http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/diablo2/ From petre.scheie at nextelpartners.com Thu Nov 29 10:31:21 2001 From: petre.scheie at nextelpartners.com (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] winex runs diablo2 full version In-Reply-To: <1007007338.6525.0.camel@minime> References: <1007007338.6525.0.camel@minime> Message-ID: <20011129.14072100@gromit.> Netscape says it can't find the server people.sistina.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 11/28/01, 10:15:29 PM, Ben Lutgens wrote regarding [TCLUG] winex runs diablo2 full version: > I happened to notice a new version of winex that claimed to have fixed > the copy protection problem so games like diablo2 would work. I decided > to try and was pleasantly surprised! I snapped some screens here. > http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/diablo2/ > -- > Ben Lutgens > System Administrator > Sistina Software Inc. > "If you love someone, set them free. If they come home, set them on > fire." > - George Carlin From bbaptist at iexposure.com Thu Nov 29 10:59:36 2001 From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail clients In-Reply-To: <20011129152834.RTC7814.femail7.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> References: <20011128160818.0CFC828E4B@thursday.freeze.com> <01dd01c178d2$99c9f7a0$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> <20011129152834.RTC7814.femail7.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Message-ID: <200111291632.fATGWSV31317@destiny.iexposure.com> Kmail uses the mbox format, anything that can read mbox can read your mail. I hope that helps. Bret. On Thursday 29 November 2001 09:28 am, you wrote: > No, that is a windows smtp client. > > Does anyone know if Mutt or Pine (or anything else) uses the same format as > Kmail? That would be an ideal solution > > Jay > > On Thursday 29 November 2001 06:37 am, you wrote: > > I am not sure if this holds the answer for you, but there is a command > > line mail program on the Blat site, Getmail. > > > > http://www.interlog.com/~tcharron/blat.html > > > > > > Raymond > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jay Kline" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 10:08 AM > > Subject: [TCLUG] mail clients > > > > > I read almost all my mail sitting at my desk where I have Xwindows, and > > > > thus > > > > > I use Kmail because I like it. However, once and a while I need to > > > access > > > > my > > > > > mail from remote, and all I have availible to me is vnc (yuck) or ssh. > > > Is there a decent console mail client that is compatable with Kmail's > > > > storage? I > > > > > need this more for reading existing email than downloading new messages > > > or sending mail. I am not 100% sure about the format Kmail uses (mbox > > > ?) so > > > > if > > > > > anyone knows that, I can try to find someting on my own too. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Jay > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > > > Minnesota > > > > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Bret Baptist Systems and Technical Support Specialist bbaptist@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 x17 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services ------------------------------------------ -- Missiles of ligneous or osteal consistency have the potential of fracturing osseous structure, but appellations will eternally remain innocuous. From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Nov 29 11:43:02 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] winex runs diablo2 full version In-Reply-To: <1007007338.6525.0.camel@minime> References: <1007007338.6525.0.camel@minime> Message-ID: <20011129083828.A9880@wookimus.net> On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 10:15:29PM -0600, Ben Lutgens wrote: > I happened to notice a new version of winex that claimed to have fixed > the copy protection problem so games like diablo2 would work. I decided > to try and was pleasantly surprised! I snapped some screens here. > > http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/diablo2/ No such host...??? -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I > need this more for reading existing email than downloading new messages or > sending mail. I am not 100% sure about the format Kmail uses (mbox ?) so if > anyone knows that, I can try to find someting on my own too. It looks like kmail uses mbox format, so pretty much any command-line mail reader should work. Let me suggest you try mutt. Others prefer pine, so you might want to give that a try as well, but mutt is better ;). -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://faircopyright.org/ From chrome at real-time.com Thu Nov 29 12:46:29 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SGI and the Itanic In-Reply-To: <20011128081351.A8924@candle.mn.mediaone.net>; from nate@techie.com on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 08:13:51AM -0600 References: <20011124120824.E28452@real-time.com> <20011128081351.A8924@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20011129114551.F4560@real-time.com> > SGI Origin/Onyx 3000 machines are built from "bricks." There are > several types of bricks that make up a system. this is one of the coolest things I've seen... it's a very modular architecture; so you just build exactly the computer you need, and when you want to expand it, you just add more pieces to it. instead of a fixed, rigid backplane, they use NUMAlink (formerly called CrayLink) cables to go from brick to brick. makes installation very flexible. > I I/O Brick, includes two drives, CD and XIO. Required to boot a > system. > C CPU brick, includes 4 MIPS CPUs, memory, NumaLink and XIO > P PCI brick, include (I think) 6 PCI buses with 2 slots each > D Disk brick, 12 drive JBOD (Just a Bunch of Disks) > R Router, connects four C-bricks together > X Metarouter, connects R bricks together. > G Graphics brick, makes the system an Onyx as I understand it; the C-brick has a NUMALink connector, and a XTown ('crosstown') connector on it. the NUMALink goes to the router brick; and the XTown goes to the I/O brick. If you add a graphics brick; I understand that it connects to the I-brick, and from there to the C-brick. but how do you get decent bandwidth from the CPUs to the graphics unit, using such a long chain (with possibly 6 feet of cable between each brick)? Obviously the graphics unit has some pretty impressive onboard GPUs, and a sizeable cache of its own; but it seems strange to go through an intermediate unit on the way to main memory. or maybe I'm just misreading the product literature. Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Thu Nov 29 12:53:54 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4.15/2.5 fs bug In-Reply-To: <20011128173650.B929@wookimus.net>; from chewie@wookimus.net on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 05:36:51PM -0600 References: <20011124163446.A1172@assimilated.org> <003401c17681$5a77e470$3028680a@tgt.com> <20011126105536.B1724@wookimus.net> <003001c17814$f8bbf0b0$3028680a@tgt.com> <20011128173650.B929@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20011129115136.G4560@real-time.com> > One thing you might consider. Start a CVS tree of your own. Oh, > there's a Linux distribution out there called Gentile, I think, that's > based on a ports-like system. you're thinking of Gentoo. > I'd be surprised if they didn't have a > CVS for the kernel. Check it out. I heard that the Sparc Linux and PPC Linux people have CVS trees publicly available. don't remember for certain, tho. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Nov 29 13:11:07 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] winex runs diablo2 full version In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1007058033.2627.0.camel@titanium> On Thu, 2001-11-29 at 09:39, Tom Cross wrote: > >From your screen shots I would say it works 'well'. Is it playable? I've > been trying to get Age of Empires working with wine/winex for a long > time... Actually yeah it's pretty good. it would be faster if it weren't being done on my laptop I think but all in all it's great. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I just added that CNAME perhaps your DNS server is a little slow on the uptake. In the meantime you can use bender.sistina.com > > -- > Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie > http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr > Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD > -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011129/d7c0307f/attachment.pgp From blayer at qwest.net Thu Nov 29 13:29:28 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] WineX CVS source acting goofy Message-ID: <20011129123027.73d27de4.blayer@qwest.net> I downloaded the WineX source (42MB) via cvs from winex.sourceforge.net, and it's acting screwy. It configures, builds and installs, but it doesn't seem to have installed _any_ of the WineX components - just the standard Wine stuff.. for example.. UserX@Homer:~/wine$ ls /usr/lib/transgaming /bin/ls: /usr/lib/transgaming: No such file or directory UserX@Homer:~/wine$ which winex which: no winex in (/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/openwin/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games/bin:/usr/java/jre1.3.1/bin:.:/opt/kde/bin:/usr/share/texmf/bin:/home/UserX/bin) -but- UserX@Homer:~/wine$ which wine /usr/local/bin/wine The README.transgaming is there, as is the tools directory which contains (among other things) the winex script and other winex related stuff; but none of it is installed. What did I do wrong? -.bill.layer.- .-frogtown.mn.usa.- .-Microsoft.Windows.XP.- -.suddenly.everything.sucks-. From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Nov 29 14:27:43 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] winex runs diablo2 full version In-Reply-To: <1007007338.6525.0.camel@minime> References: <1007007338.6525.0.camel@minime> Message-ID: <20011129125108.C9880@wookimus.net> (^chewie grumbles something inappropriate for repeat about Reply-to: munging...) On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 10:15:29PM -0600, Ben Lutgens wrote: > I happened to notice a new version of winex that claimed to have fixed > the copy protection problem so games like diablo2 would work. I > decided to try and was pleasantly surprised! I snapped some screens > here. > > http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/diablo2/ I got to the site, finally, and checked it out. Looks good. ;-) I only have one problem with Wine and WineX. I can't figure out how to automatically get them to do the mousegrab and resize-center of X. Quake3 does it by default, as does Unreal Tournament. I just hate playing a game where my mouse "leaves" the active window. That should never happen, no matter how far my mouse "leaves" the window boundary. Game navigation should never be associated to window manager navigation. When I figure out how to do that, I'll be a happy camper. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011129/e2907615/attachment.pgp From jima at gimp.damnation.net Thu Nov 29 14:49:19 2001 From: jima at gimp.damnation.net (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT} google and sept 11 (and other dates) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011129084301.00a1c260@mail.eleetomatic.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Marc A. Ohmann wrote: > I'll never understand why people would search for cnn don't they know its > cnn.com? My brother-in-law searches google for hotmail whenever he wants > to check his mail -- he says its faster than typing hotmail.com. Some > people I just don't get. Because, by about 8:30am CST, cnn.com was mostly unresponsive. *Everyone* was trying to look at it. Think of the Slashdot Effect(tm) times a thousand. So people were looking elsewhere for any information collected by CNN. Or so I'd guess. I just remember CNN inadvertantly got DOS'd by a news-starved public in short order that morning. Jima From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Nov 29 14:56:32 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: winex runs diablo2 full version In-Reply-To: <20011129003221.D30126@ringworld.org> References: <1007007338.6525.0.camel@minime> <20011129003221.D30126@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <1007046404.4826.0.camel@titanium> On Thu, 2001-11-29 at 00:32, Scott Dier wrote: > * Ben Lutgens [011128 23:34]: > > the copy protection problem so games like diablo2 would work. I decided > > to try and was pleasantly surprised! I snapped some screens here. > > Be good, and engage in something 'like' the street performer protocol > and give money to transgaming to continue working on winex. :) I already did. I've also paid codeweavers for the crossover plugin, and will probably buy a copy of ximian as well. > > -- > Scott Dier > http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net > > So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: > Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! > Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! > -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I can't figure out how to > automatically get them to do the mousegrab and resize-center of X. > Quake3 does it by default, as does Unreal Tournament. > > I just hate playing a game where my mouse "leaves" the active window. > That should never happen, no matter how far my mouse "leaves" the window > boundary. Game navigation should never be associated to window manager > navigation. Depends on the sort of game you prefer. Given that your examples are Q3A and UT, I'd say it seems to be a pretty safe bet that you prefer FPS-style games and, yeah, when you've got continuous fast action, you're right. Having to worry about losing control at a crucial moment because your mouse is in the wrong place would suck. I, however, prefer things with a bit slower pace - SMAC, Kohan, FreeCiv - and I greatly prefer that FreeCiv doesn't have mouse capture at all and Kohan lets you turn it off with a single keystroke. (SMAC, unfortunately, takes over the entire screen and I wish there was a way to get it to run in a window instead.) These games have their lulls, while waiting for troops to march across the map or opponents to take their turns, and being able to just flip my mouse over to an xterm and read my latest mail is an excellent (if not necessarily intentional) feature. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From tanner at real-time.com Thu Nov 29 15:52:39 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] winex runs diablo2 full version In-Reply-To: <20011129083828.A9880@wookimus.net>; from chewie@wookimus.net on Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 08:38:28AM -0600 References: <1007007338.6525.0.camel@minime> <20011129083828.A9880@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20011129150231.C21051@real-time.com> Quoting Chad C. Walstrom (chewie@wookimus.net): > On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 10:15:29PM -0600, Ben Lutgens wrote: > > I happened to notice a new version of winex that claimed to have fixed > > the copy protection problem so games like diablo2 would work. I decided > > to try and was pleasantly surprised! I snapped some screens here. > > > > http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/diablo2/ > > No such host...??? > Hah! Ben lives up to his name! :-P :-P -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Nov 29 16:55:43 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: winex runs diablo2 full version In-Reply-To: <1007046404.4826.0.camel@titanium> References: <1007007338.6525.0.camel@minime> <20011129003221.D30126@ringworld.org> <1007046404.4826.0.camel@titanium> Message-ID: <20011129155307.F30126@ringworld.org> * Ben Lutgens [011129 15:01]: > > Be good, and engage in something 'like' the street performer protocol > > and give money to transgaming to continue working on winex. :) > > I already did. I've also paid codeweavers for the crossover plugin, and > will probably buy a copy of ximian as well. Cool. I also paid for crossover and transgaming. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Nov 29 16:57:30 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: winex runs diablo2 full version In-Reply-To: <20011129125108.C9880@wookimus.net> References: <1007007338.6525.0.camel@minime> <20011129125108.C9880@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20011129155328.G30126@ringworld.org> * Chad C. Walstrom [011129 14:32]: > (^chewie grumbles something inappropriate for repeat about Reply-to: > munging...) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From amy at real-time.com Thu Nov 29 17:36:14 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: cell phones/service for laptop Internet access Message-ID: <20011129165311.N18760@real-time.com> Any recommendations on cell phones and service that can be used as a modem for providing a laptop with Internet access? Thanks. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From clay at fandre.com Thu Nov 29 18:38:29 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Monthly Meeting Annoucement Message-ID: <20011128215439.A7910@fandre.com> When: Saturday December 1st, 2001 noon - 2pm Topic: The State of Wine Presented by Jeremy White of CodeWeavers, Inc. Where: University of Minnesota Room EE-CS 3-180 http://onestop.umn.edu/Maps/EECSci/index.html More information on the TCLUG website: http://www.mn-linux.org/meetings/ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From dmblevins at mediaone.net Thu Nov 29 19:13:28 2001 From: dmblevins at mediaone.net (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Java mailing list for MN Message-ID: Hi all, Hats off to the TC Linux User Group for the non-commercially driven and friendly atmosphere. The few meetings I have attended were focused on learning something and not selling something, but most importantly, enjoying good company. The TCLUG mailing list follows this feel and is very relaxed, friendly, and open. I've always wanted something similar for Java people, so I finally got motivated and started one. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tcjug This TCJUG is entirely different than the TCJUG hosted by Intertech in Edina. That group isn't community controlled, has no mailing list, _no beer meetings_, and is focused on InterTech's interests rather than the local community's interests. The new Twin Cities Java User Group will be more social and informal, with a focus on getting to know each other and exchanging info first-hand. Oh, and, of course, occasional beer meetings. It will be more or less identical to the TCLUG, but with Java as the theme instead of Linux. I remember there being a large amount of Java developers at the last TCLUG meeting I was at, I hope all of you will join and bring the TCLUG's casual, friendly atmosphere to the new TCJUG. To subscribe send an email to tcjug-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Thanks, David Blevins From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Nov 29 19:34:51 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] winex runs diablo2 full version In-Reply-To: <20011129150231.C21051@real-time.com> References: <1007007338.6525.0.camel@minime> <20011129083828.A9880@wookimus.net> <20011129150231.C21051@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1007080457.1299.2.camel@minime> On Thu, 2001-11-29 at 15:02, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > > > http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/diablo2/ > > > > No such host...??? > > > > Hah! Ben lives up to his name! :-P > yeah yeah bastards! I changed a DNS record without updating the serial. -- Ben Lutgens System Administrator Sistina Software Inc. "If you love someone, set them free. If they come home, set them on fire." - George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's working fine now, after a switch from qmail to postfix, but the demand is growing fast. Jay From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Nov 29 19:56:40 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: cell phones/service for laptop Internet access In-Reply-To: <20011129165311.N18760@real-time.com> References: <20011129165311.N18760@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011129191109.I30126@ringworld.org> * Amy Tanner [011129 17:41]: > Any recommendations on cell phones and service that can be used as a > modem for providing a laptop with Internet access? Voicestream, with their GPRS Istream service is probally your best bet. But it's a metered service. Failing that, CDPD service with AT&T Wireless Data. Cheaper, unlimited, but only 19.2kbps -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From sextus at visi.com Thu Nov 29 20:46:15 2001 From: sextus at visi.com (Michael Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Monitoriing postfix queues and performance In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D136@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from Austad, Jay on Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 06:48:50PM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D136@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011129201824.A15584@visi.com> ON Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 06:48:50PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > I know some of you guys use postfix. How do you monitor how many messages > are in the queue? Outbound connections? It's not postfix-specific, but can't you just write a perl script to track message queue and dequeue times in /var/log/maillog based on their unique ID? -- Michael From florin at iucha.net Thu Nov 29 20:53:05 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Java mailing list for MN In-Reply-To: ; from dmblevins@mediaone.net on Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 09:36:39AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011129202231.D196@beaver.iucha.org> On Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 09:36:39AM -0600, David Blevins wrote: > Hi all, > > Hats off to the TC Linux User Group for the non-commercially driven and > friendly atmosphere. The few meetings I have attended were focused on > learning something and not selling something, but most importantly, enjoying > good company. The TCLUG mailing list follows this feel and is very relaxed, > friendly, and open. I've always wanted something similar for Java people, > so I finally got motivated and started one. > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tcjug > > This TCJUG is entirely different than the TCJUG hosted by Intertech in > Edina. That group isn't community controlled, has no mailing list, _no beer > meetings_, and is focused on InterTech's interests rather than the local > community's interests. > > The new Twin Cities Java User Group will be more social and informal, with a > focus on getting to know each other and exchanging info first-hand. Oh, and, > of course, occasional beer meetings. It will be more or less identical to > the TCLUG, but with Java as the theme instead of Linux. > > I remember there being a large amount of Java developers at the last TCLUG > meeting I was at, I hope all of you will join and bring the TCLUG's casual, > friendly atmosphere to the new TCJUG. > > To subscribe send an email to tcjug-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Sorry to be on-topic but are # # # # # ##### # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ##### # # # # # ####### # # ####### # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ##### # # # # # ##### ##### # # messages allowed on that mailing list? Also what other kinds of flame-fests can you have on that mailing list? IDEs and debuggers is pretty lame... florin who works in java against his judgement... -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The affected people ran Redhat) FYI... heads' up from the SSH mail list > > A colleague sent me a very vague e-mail, telling me that I should 'disable > > SSHD now' because of a 'private exploit being circulated since Saturday'. > > > > Anyone know anything about this? > > The following URL should give you some more information: > http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openssh-unix-dev&m=100696253318793&w=2 Given the other issue of Kerberos pre-v3, an update to the latest OpenSSH 3.0+ seems warrented. http://www.oreillynet.com/lpt/a/linux/2001/11/26/insecurities.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8Bu95fexLsowstzcRAn9UAJwPqCgv7n5zBAF7K4EbUGfgml2cLQCfdICG bS4kDoKGWmvGLrp+PXs2kiA= =Z8jF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kelly-black at attbroadband.com Thu Nov 29 22:11:24 2001 From: kelly-black at attbroadband.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: winex runs diablo2 full version In-Reply-To: <20011129155307.F30126@ringworld.org> References: <1007007338.6525.0.camel@minime> <1007046404.4826.0.camel@titanium> <20011129155307.F30126@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <01112920424000.14444@edith> Just chunked down $21.25 for it also (even though I probably will not continue to have a net-connection that I can use it with :-( once AT&T cable goes dark... 73's DE KB0GBJ Kelly Black On Thursday 29 November 2001 15:53, you wrote: > * Ben Lutgens [011129 15:01]: > > > Be good, and engage in something 'like' the street performer protocol > > > and give money to transgaming to continue working on winex. :) > > > > I already did. I've also paid codeweavers for the crossover plugin, and > > will probably buy a copy of ximian as well. > > Cool. I also paid for crossover and transgaming. From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Nov 29 22:39:13 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [OT] Java mailing list for MN In-Reply-To: <20011129202231.D196@beaver.iucha.org> References: <20011129202231.D196@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20011129215415.J30126@ringworld.org> * Florin Iucha [011129 20:57]: > IDEs and debuggers is pretty lame... Exceptions, good tests, and the JRE are all you need for debugging :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From thomas at stderr.net Thu Nov 29 23:13:10 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Java mailing list for MN In-Reply-To: <20011129202231.D196@beaver.iucha.org>; from florin@iucha.net on Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 08:22:31PM -0600 References: <20011129202231.D196@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20011130042212.J67769@io.stderr.net> On Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 08:22:31PM -0600, Florin Iucha wrote: > Sorry to be on-topic but are > > # # # # # ##### # # # # > # # # # # # # # # # # # # > # # # # # # # # # # # # > # # # # # # # ##### # # # > # # ####### # # ####### # # # # # > # # # # # # # # # # # # # # > ##### # # # # # ##### ##### # # > > messages allowed on that mailing list? > > Also what other kinds of flame-fests can you have on that mailing list? > IDEs and debuggers is pretty lame... $yogi++; -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer __________ < JAVA SUX > ---------- \ \ ^__^ / (oo)\_______/ _________ (__)\ )=( ____|_ \_____ ||----w | \ \ \_____ | || || || || From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Nov 30 00:02:12 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: winex runs diablo2 full version In-Reply-To: <01112920424000.14444@edith> References: <1007007338.6525.0.camel@minime> <1007046404.4826.0.camel@titanium> <20011129155307.F30126@ringworld.org> <01112920424000.14444@edith> Message-ID: <20011129230023.L30126@ringworld.org> * Kelly Black [011129 22:16]: > continue to have a net-connection that I can use it with :-( once AT&T > cable goes dark... AT&T cable will *not go dark*. @home had *nothing* to do with the mediaone buildout of the twin cites AT&T network, and has no claim nor ownership over it. @home merely provided the 'content' to AT&T subscribers on the web. I dont expect *any outages* from this at all. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Nov 30 00:05:00 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: winex runs diablo2 full version In-Reply-To: <01112920424000.14444@edith> References: <1007007338.6525.0.camel@minime> <1007046404.4826.0.camel@titanium> <20011129155307.F30126@ringworld.org> <01112920424000.14444@edith> Message-ID: <20011129230326.M30126@ringworld.org> * Kelly Black [011129 22:16]: > cable goes dark... Also... Will I experience any interruptions with my AT&T Broadband high-speed cable Internet service? Your AT&T Broadband high-speed cable Internet service connectivity, e-mail and Personal Web pages will not be affected by Excite@Home's Chapter 11 bankruptcy filing. However, your home.excite.com home page may become temporarily unavailable. http://help.broadband.att.com/faq.jsp?content_id=1118 What will happen to my high-speed cable Internet service if AT&T Broadband's proposal to purchase the Excite@Home network is not approved? If the proposal to purchase the Excite@Home network is not approved, your home page content may be temporarily unavailable, but you will still have access to your e-mail and the Internet. AT&T is buying the network so they have more network to exact control over. :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From florin at iucha.net Fri Nov 30 00:19:17 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [OT] Java mailing list for MN In-Reply-To: <20011129215415.J30126@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 09:54:15PM -0600 References: <20011129202231.D196@beaver.iucha.org> <20011129215415.J30126@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20011129232253.E196@beaver.iucha.org> On Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 09:54:15PM -0600, Scott Dier wrote: > * Florin Iucha [011129 20:57]: > > IDEs and debuggers is pretty lame... > > Exceptions, good tests, and the JRE are all you need for debugging :) Except that NKOTB don't know how to properly use exceptions. And b) what tests? florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So you could use any imap client or pine or whatever to access kmail's folders. I perfer just using IMAP so I can switch mail clients on a whim and not worry about losing mail. :) - -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org/~zibby Bender: You just think that robots are machines built by humans to make their lifes easier. Fry: Well, aren't they? Bender: I've never made anyone's life easier and you know it! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjwGX48ACgkQ/PFCAPL3hQNZ5gCff1nREc/+Al7zzOUtXxv7PwzY RjMAoK+g1W5e0hozz8hYr3ytFAjYebBM =y5Pz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nate at techie.com Fri Nov 30 00:38:17 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail clients In-Reply-To: <20011129152834.RTC7814.femail7.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there>; from list@slushpupie.com on Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 09:28:01AM -0600 References: <20011128160818.0CFC828E4B@thursday.freeze.com> <01dd01c178d2$99c9f7a0$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> <20011129152834.RTC7814.femail7.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Message-ID: <20011129102248.A21298@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 09:28:01AM -0600, Jay Kline wrote: > Does anyone know if Mutt or Pine (or anything else) uses the same format as > Kmail? That would be an ideal solution What format does Kmail use? Mutt will read mbox, maildir and mh just fine. Nate From josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org Fri Nov 30 00:45:07 2001 From: josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] PSA: Snow In-Reply-To: <20011127145626.0ce2cf62.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Heh. And I ran for mayor of Minneapolis with the slogan 'no snow emergencies!'. So I'm not the mayor and what do we get... more snow emergencies. Vote for me next time. ;-) Joshua b. Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 http://www.greentechnologist.org On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, Mike Hicks wrote: > For folks with cars.. > > Since I usually have a friend or two get their car towed at least once > each winter, I figured I'd mention that Minneapolis has declared a snow > emergency for the first time this season. Other cities in the area > probably have done the same thing. > > There's more info at the city's web site [http://www.ci.mpls.mn.us/]. > They're supposed to have an e-mail alert system, but I guess it's not > working yet this season. > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I got a garage door opener. > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ It can't close. Just open. > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8ByHvfexLsowstzcRAqqrAKCEpWuNZ7MeLoR1jk0Bn1zEpqQbiACePM4k v00Ad2z1+pMVOQ8ri6KbRPs= =kReg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Nov 30 00:55:40 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Monitoriing postfix queues and performance Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D137@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > It's not postfix-specific, but can't you just write a perl > script to track > message queue and dequeue times in /var/log/maillog based on > their unique > ID? What kind of resources is that going to take though? Preferably, I'd like to get all of the info into MRTG or Cricket so I can see trends throughout the day and match them up with trading volume on the market and news bulletins. Whatever I have needs to come up with an answer almost instantaneously, so analyzing logs is pretty much out of the question. Jay From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Nov 30 01:26:42 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [OT] Java mailing list for MN In-Reply-To: <20011129232253.E196@beaver.iucha.org> References: <20011129202231.D196@beaver.iucha.org> <20011129215415.J30126@ringworld.org> <20011129232253.E196@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20011130003114.O30126@ringworld.org> * Florin Iucha [011130 00:23]: > > Exceptions, good tests, and the JRE are all you need for debugging :) > Except that NKOTB don't know how to properly use exceptions. > And b) what tests? Ie: if your checking against input, do a test against it and throw an exectption that matches the UserInput issue :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From dieman at ringworld.org Fri Nov 30 01:50:47 2001 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Poster! (for sat meeting) Message-ID: <20011130010334.P30126@ringworld.org> www.ringworld.org/~dieman/tclug-posters/dec01.ps Ben Kochie: could you post a couple around math? Let me know if theres any horrid typos, somehow I spelt Cities wrong at the header last time :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Nov 30 02:44:52 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Security Discuss] new sshd exploit ? (fwd) Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D139@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Wow. An app designed to provide security actually compromising it. Gotta love that. Remind me not to ever open ssh again and to require a VPN connection for all remote administration. That's annoying. > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua b. Jore [mailto:josh@kitten.greentechnologist.org] > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 8:31 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] [Security Discuss] new sshd exploit ? (fwd) > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > (forwarded from misc@openbsd.org. The affected people ran Redhat) > > FYI... heads' up from the SSH mail list > > > > A colleague sent me a very vague e-mail, telling me that > I should 'disable > > > SSHD now' because of a 'private exploit being circulated > since Saturday'. > > > > > > Anyone know anything about this? > > > > The following URL should give you some more information: > > > http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openssh-unix-dev&m=100696253318793&w=2 > > Given the other issue of Kerberos pre-v3, an update to the > latest OpenSSH 3.0+ seems warrented. > http://www.oreillynet.com/lpt/a/linux/2001/11/26/insecurities.html > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE8Bu95fexLsowstzcRAn9UAJwPqCgv7n5zBAF7K4EbUGfgml2cLQCfdICG > bS4kDoKGWmvGLrp+PXs2kiA= > =Z8jF > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Nov 30 03:35:16 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Monitoriing postfix queues and performance In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D137@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D137@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011130022119.S30126@ringworld.org> * Austad, Jay [011130 00:59]: > bulletins. Whatever I have needs to come up with an answer almost > instantaneously, so analyzing logs is pretty much out of the question. Not really, output them to a named pipe with syslog-ng to filter out only the ones you want, have a perl script keep track and output into RRD files. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From sextus at visi.com Fri Nov 30 04:01:19 2001 From: sextus at visi.com (Michael Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Monitoriing postfix queues and performance In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D137@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from Austad, Jay on Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 12:14:21AM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D137@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011130031213.A7361@visi.com> ON Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 12:14:21AM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > > It's not postfix-specific, but can't you just write a perl > > script to track > > message queue and dequeue times in /var/log/maillog based on > > their unique > > ID? > > What kind of resources is that going to take though? Preferably, I'd like > to get all of the info into MRTG or Cricket so I can see trends throughout > the day and match them up with trading volume on the market and news > bulletins. Whatever I have needs to come up with an answer almost > instantaneously, so analyzing logs is pretty much out of the question. You're going to have to analyze the log in some fashion since I don't think Postfix keeps internal counters for such things. A persistent process running the equivalent of "tail -f" shouldn't require too many resources. Of course you'd have to check for log rotations, restarts, etc. There's a user-contributed Postfix statistics script at http://jimsun.linxnet.com/downloads/pflogsumm-0.9.0.pl, but it's probably not suitable for your requirements (high-volume, high-resolution). -- Michael From Larry.Cable at nwa.com Fri Nov 30 05:13:42 2001 From: Larry.Cable at nwa.com (Larry Cable) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: cell phones/service for laptop Internet access Message-ID: <3C075DF7.A0D28450@NWA.COM> I'm doing Sprint PCS thru COMPUSERVE to connect to NWA. The line speed is only 9600 baud but it works. LarryC > Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 16:53:11 -0600 > From: Amy Tanner > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] OT: cell phones/service for laptop Internet access > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Any recommendations on cell phones and service that can be used as a > modem for providing a laptop with Internet access? > > Thanks. > -- > Amy Tanner > amy@real-time.com > From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Nov 30 05:40:21 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Poster! (for sat meeting) In-Reply-To: <20011130010334.P30126@ringworld.org> References: <20011130010334.P30126@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20011130022715.D17482@wookimus.net> On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 01:03:34AM -0600, Scott Dier wrote: > www.ringworld.org/~dieman/tclug-posters/dec01.ps Mind gzipping that monstrosity? ;-) -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011130/9716ccdf/attachment.pgp From josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org Fri Nov 30 10:12:26 2001 From: josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Security Discuss] new sshd exploit ? (fwd) In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D139@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Yes, it is. However it's apparently fixed in the current production code. The major issue is that it looks like the broken code was only recently the current production code. I think this will be my queue to just go bite the bullet and update from OpenBSD 2.9 to 3.0 since that takes OpenSSH with it to 3.0.1. Joshua b. Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 http://www.greentechnologist.org On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > Wow. An app designed to provide security actually compromising it. Gotta > love that. Remind me not to ever open ssh again and to require a VPN > connection for all remote administration. > > That's annoying. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joshua b. Jore [mailto:josh@kitten.greentechnologist.org] > > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 8:31 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: [TCLUG] [Security Discuss] new sshd exploit ? (fwd) > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > (forwarded from misc@openbsd.org. The affected people ran Redhat) > > > > FYI... heads' up from the SSH mail list > > > > > > A colleague sent me a very vague e-mail, telling me that > > I should 'disable > > > > SSHD now' because of a 'private exploit being circulated > > since Saturday'. > > > > > > > > Anyone know anything about this? > > > > > > The following URL should give you some more information: > > > > > http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openssh-unix-dev&m=100696253318793&w=2 > > > > Given the other issue of Kerberos pre-v3, an update to the > > latest OpenSSH 3.0+ seems warrented. > > http://www.oreillynet.com/lpt/a/linux/2001/11/26/insecurities.html > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) > > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > > > iD8DBQE8Bu95fexLsowstzcRAn9UAJwPqCgv7n5zBAF7K4EbUGfgml2cLQCfdICG > > bS4kDoKGWmvGLrp+PXs2kiA= > > =Z8jF > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8B4g8fexLsowstzcRAkWFAJwLlyrIywKswzXWJkr00Qq186lDEQCgwF8v l0dX2D28nB06z3IONTX2AFM= =s0TK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Fri Nov 30 10:14:32 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Security Discuss] new sshd exploit ? (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Seems it is just a rerun of an old exploit: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openssh-unix-dev&m=100698565325242&w=2 Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Joshua b. Jore |Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 10:32 PM |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org |Subject: [TCLUG] [Security Discuss] new sshd exploit ? (fwd) | | |-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- |Hash: SHA1 | |(forwarded from misc@openbsd.org. The affected people ran Redhat) | |FYI... heads' up from the SSH mail list | |> > A colleague sent me a very vague e-mail, telling me that I |should 'disable |> > SSHD now' because of a 'private exploit being circulated since |Saturday'. |> > |> > Anyone know anything about this? |> |> The following URL should give you some more information: |> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openssh-unix-dev&m=100696253318793&w=2 | |Given the other issue of Kerberos pre-v3, an update to the |latest OpenSSH 3.0+ seems warrented. | http://www.oreillynet.com/lpt/a/linux/2001/11/26/insecurities.html |-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- |Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) |Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org | |iD8DBQE8Bu95fexLsowstzcRAn9UAJwPqCgv7n5zBAF7K4EbUGfgml2cLQCfdICG |bS4kDoKGWmvGLrp+PXs2kiA= |=Z8jF |-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- | |_______________________________________________ |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, |Minnesota |http://www.mn-linux.org |tclug-list@mn-linux.org |https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list | From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Nov 30 11:30:51 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Security Discuss] new sshd exploit ? (fwd) Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D146@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Yeah, but they list pretty much every version of F-secure ssh being vulnerable also. I wish there was more information. > -----Original Message----- > From: James Spinti [mailto:jspinti@dart.dartdist.com] > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 8:00 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] [Security Discuss] new sshd exploit ? (fwd) > > > Seems it is just a rerun of an old exploit: > > http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openssh-unix-dev&m=100698565325242&w=2 > > Thanks, > > James Spinti > jspinti at dartdist.com > 952-368-3278 x396 > fax 952-368-3255 > > |-----Original Message----- > |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Joshua b. Jore > |Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 10:32 PM > |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > |Subject: [TCLUG] [Security Discuss] new sshd exploit ? (fwd) > | > | > |-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > |Hash: SHA1 > | > |(forwarded from misc@openbsd.org. The affected people ran Redhat) > | > |FYI... heads' up from the SSH mail list > | > |> > A colleague sent me a very vague e-mail, telling me that I > |should 'disable > |> > SSHD now' because of a 'private exploit being circulated since > |Saturday'. > |> > > |> > Anyone know anything about this? > |> > |> The following URL should give you some more information: > |> > http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openssh-unix-> dev&m=100696253318793&w= > |> 2 > | > |Given the other issue of Kerberos pre-v3, an update to the latest > |OpenSSH 3.0+ seems warrented. > | > http://www.oreillynet.com/lpt/a/linux/2001/11/26/insecurities. html |-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- |Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) |Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org | |iD8DBQE8Bu95fexLsowstzcRAn9UAJwPqCgv7n5zBAF7K4EbUGfgml2cLQCfdICG |bS4kDoKGWmvGLrp+PXs2kiA= |=Z8jF |-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- | |_______________________________________________ |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, |Minnesota |http://www.mn-linux.org |tclug-list@mn-linux.org |https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list | _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Fri Nov 30 12:20:33 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: cell phones/service for laptop Internet access In-Reply-To: <20011129165311.N18760@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Amy Tanner wrote: > Any recommendations on cell phones and service that can be used as a > modem for providing a laptop with Internet access? VoiceStream + a Nokia 8290 with Infrared works great for me.. 9600bps, though. (Good 'ol squid filtering out all images + ads... heh!). Data minutes just count as voice minutes, unless you buy the $20-$30/mo plan that gives you a ton of data minutes. If you want something faster, Ricochet's supposed to be coming back online... -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From dieman at ringworld.org Fri Nov 30 12:36:25 2001 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (forw) Microsoft Anti-trust case: MN Atty's General Message-ID: <20011130115207.W30126@ringworld.org> ----- Forwarded message from "Christopher R. Hertel" ----- From: "Christopher R. Hertel" Subject: Microsoft Anti-trust case: MN Atty's General Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 23:19:38 -0600 Sender: crh@mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net Organization: ubiqx development, uninq. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.18pre21-idepci i586) I have it on good authority that Mike Jacobs, the lawyer from the MN Attorney General's office who is handling the Microsoft Anti-Trust case (the continuation, since the DoJ is trying to settle) will be speaking at the next Unix Users of Minnesota meeting. The UUM web page does not have up-to-date info, it seems. Keep checking... Despite the fact that Microsoft considers Linux and Open Source to be their biggest threat, the DoJ settlement says nothing about Open Source, nor does it make any provisions for Open Source competition. It talks about Microsoft licensing documentation to ISVs, etc. The language basically excludes Open Source Development. Minnesota has decided not to accept the DoJ settlement, and is pursuing the case along with nine other states. If you have interest in this issue (and you probably should), I recommend: 1) Go to Mike's talk. 2) Read the DoJ proposed settlement (there is an updated version). 3) Send polite, succinct, and clear comments to the DoJ regarding the proposed settlement. The Settlement info can be found at: _h_t_t_p_:_/_/_w_w_w_._u_s_d_o_j_._g_o_v_:_8_0_/_a_t_r_/_c_a_s_e_s_/_m_s_-_s_e_t_t_l_e_._h_t_m Make sure your read this section: _h_t_t_p_:_/_/_w_w_w_._u_s_d_o_j_._g_o_v_:_8_0_/_a_t_r_/_c_a_s_e_s_/_m_s_-_s_e_t_t_l_e_._h_t_m_#_t_u_n_n_e_y I believe that this list would be a good forum for discussing arguments against the settlement (arguments which people might include in their messages to the DoJ). Please let me know if I'm wrong about that. Chris -)----- -- Samba Team -- _h_t_t_p_:_/_/_w_w_w_._s_a_m_b_a_._o_r_g_/ -)----- Christopher R. Hertel jCIFS Team -- _h_t_t_p_:_/_/_j_c_i_f_s_._s_a_m_b_a_._o_r_g_/ -)----- ubiqx development, uninq. ubiqx Team -- _h_t_t_p_:_/_/_w_w_w_._u_b_i_q_x_._o_r_g_/ -)----- crh@ubiqx.mn.org -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Nov 30 12:38:09 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: winex runs diablo2 full version In-Reply-To: <20011129230326.M30126@ringworld.org> References: <1007007338.6525.0.camel@minime> <1007046404.4826.0.camel@titanium> <20011129155307.F30126@ringworld.org> <01112920424000.14444@edith> <20011129230326.M30126@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <1007143014.1160.1.camel@titanium> On Thu, 2001-11-29 at 23:03, Scott Dier wrote: > AT&T is buying the network so they have more network to exact control > over. :) WARNING! This is NOT A FLAME! :-) You take such a dark view of capitalist practices. Perhaps thier intentions are not malicious. Perhaps they just want to make some money. This is not a crime, nor is it immoral IMHO. After it is capitalism and the inherent strenghts and weaknesses that's made our countries economy strong enough to give us things like nationwide broadband Net access and buttloads of computer parts at reasonable prices. If you think any of this would be possible without the "Big Guns" the likes of say AT&T, U.S.West, and other so called "evil empires" *cough* microsoft *cough* you're mistaken. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Anyone? mbutler From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Fri Nov 30 13:46:16 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FW: [TCSA] UUM Meeting Dec 5 Message-ID: FYI -----Original Message----- From: Twin Cities System Administrators [mailto:TCSA@list.onvoy.com]On Behalf Of Dave Bianchi Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 11:08 AM To: TCSA@LIST.ONVOY.COM Subject: [TCSA] UUM Meeting Dec 5 The Unix Users of Minnesota has a meeting on Wed Dec 5 that might be of interest to TCSA members. The UUM meeting starts at 7 pm, and is held on the University of Minnesota St. Paul Campus. Check out the web site for directions. http://www.uum.org/ Subject: The Microsoft Antitrust Suit History of this suit, and where it might go. Speaker: Mike Jacobs, Assistant Minnesota Attorney General Thanks to Chris Hertel for passing this along. -- Dave Bianchi Collective Technologies djb@colltech.com From fertch at mninter.net Fri Nov 30 14:21:03 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: cell phones/service for laptop Internet access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01113014235401.00469@bleys> For myself, I plug my Viking modem in via a cable connection (work RAS #, or my old dial-in ISP) at the bottom (Nokia 61xx series). It dials like a normal modem to my connection, and I can cruise around at a snail's pace of 9600. It subtracts voice usage time as if I'm talking. As to anything faster, the only option would be Ricochet if they're still around in their limited coverage area. Shawn From jesse_erdmann at securecomputing.com Fri Nov 30 15:10:49 2001 From: jesse_erdmann at securecomputing.com (Jesse Erdmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: winex runs diablo2 full version References: <1007007338.6525.0.camel@minime> <1007046404.4826.0.camel@titanium> <20011129155307.F30126@ringworld.org> <01112920424000.14444@edith> <20011129230326.M30126@ringworld.org> <1007143014.1160.1.camel@titanium> Message-ID: <3C07D710.378BE574@securecomputing.com> Ben Lutgens wrote: > WARNING! This is NOT A FLAME! :-) > > You take such a dark view of capitalist practices. Perhaps thier > intentions are not malicious. Perhaps they just want to make some money. > This is not a crime, nor is it immoral IMHO. After it is capitalism and > the inherent strenghts and weaknesses that's made our countries economy > strong enough to give us things like nationwide broadband Net access and > buttloads of computer parts at reasonable prices. > > If you think any of this would be possible without the "Big Guns" the > likes of say AT&T, U.S.West, and other so called "evil empires" *cough* > microsoft *cough* you're mistaken. Here's my random non-Linux related monthly contribution to list for November. Read _Atlas Shrugged_ by Ayn Rand (this comment not directed at Ben, just inspired by the comment). I'm about halfway through it, if nothing else it's made me think a lot more about economics and capitalism than I ever have before. Given that it was written in the 40s IIRC, it doesn't discuss things like inteleectual property. Therfore, it's left to the student as an exercise to apply theories therein to OSS or the Microsoft trial. -- Jesse Erdmann Engineer Secure Computing Corp. From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Fri Nov 30 15:12:47 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: winex runs diablo2 full version Message-ID: My $0.02: I think this attitude is relatively common because the "invisible hand" seems to spend a lot of time picking the "invisible nose" (at least in tech) from a lack of informed consumers. >>> blutgens@sistina.com 11/30/01 11:56AM >>> On Thu, 2001-11-29 at 23:03, Scott Dier wrote: > AT&T is buying the network so they have more network to exact control > over. :) WARNING! This is NOT A FLAME! :-) You take such a dark view of capitalist practices. Perhaps thier intentions are not malicious. Perhaps they just want to make some money. This is not a crime, nor is it immoral IMHO. After it is capitalism and the inherent strenghts and weaknesses that's made our countries economy strong enough to give us things like nationwide broadband Net access and buttloads of computer parts at reasonable prices. If you think any of this would be possible without the "Big Guns" the likes of say AT&T, U.S.West, and other so called "evil empires" *cough* microsoft *cough* you're mistaken. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream From amy at real-time.com Fri Nov 30 15:14:28 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: OT: cell phones/service for laptop Internet access In-Reply-To: <20011129191109.I30126@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 07:11:09PM -0600 References: <20011129165311.N18760@real-time.com> <20011129191109.I30126@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20011130131406.E18760@real-time.com> On Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 07:11:09PM -0600, Scott Dier (dieman+tclug@ringworld.org) wrote: > * Amy Tanner [011129 17:41]: > > Any recommendations on cell phones and service that can be used as a > > modem for providing a laptop with Internet access? > > Voicestream, with their GPRS Istream service is probally your best bet. > But it's a metered service. > > Failing that, CDPD service with AT&T Wireless Data. Cheaper, unlimited, > but only 19.2kbps What do these require as far as hardware/cables? What's GPRS and CDPD? -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From dsherman at real-time.com Fri Nov 30 15:32:11 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Fwd: Re: Root exploit in SSH] Message-ID: <1007153477.10041.17.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> -----Forwarded Message----- > From: Vincent Danen > To: Dave Sherman > Cc: Mandrake-newbie , Mandrake-expert , security@linux-mandrake.com > Subject: Re: Root exploit in SSH > Date: 30 Nov 2001 13:27:30 -0700 > > On Fri Nov 30, 2001 at 09:50:55AM -0600, Dave Sherman wrote: > > > Root exploit in SSH -- anybody heard about this? I've shut down my ssh > > server, just in case. But I haven't seen anything on Mandrake's security > > page for 8.1, nor have I received an announcement from Mandrake. > > > > http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openssh-unix-dev&m=100696253318793&w=2 > > > > I CC'd the security address for Mandrake ... if this was a faux pas, > > please forgive. > > This was apparently fixed in March with 2.5.2. Since we are at > 2.9.9p2 in updates, we should all be safe (well, those of us who have > updated anyways). I did receive info from a local LUG member that a > friend's RH (I assume) system got rooted, but was using > openssh-2.3.0. That is *way* old. > > >From having talked with some other vendors and a member of the openssh > team, it looks like this may have to do with the crc32 vulnerability > in the ssh1 protocol that was fixed in March. Otherwise it may have > to do with the kerberos authentication in openssh, which 3.x fixes (we > will be updating openssh for that fix next week probably). > > Unless someone has evidence of getting rooted on a Mandrake system > running openssh 2.9.9p2, I (and many others) are discounting this as > simple paranoia based on available exploits for a bug that was fixed > roughly 8 months ago. > > -- > vdanen (at) mandrakesoft.com, OpenPGP key available on www.keyserver.net > 1024D/FE6F2AFD 88D8 0D23 8D4B 3407 5BD7 66F9 2043 D0E5 FE6F 2AFD > > Current Linux kernel 2.4.8-34.1mdk uptime: 10 days 21 hours 57 minutes. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Doesn't use a phone, usually is a device from novatel wireless (novatelwireless.com) Both are generally based on usage. Some CDPD plans are unlimited. Niether are generally by 'time', but by how many bits you pass. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Nov 30 17:26:20 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Poster! (for sat meeting) In-Reply-To: <20011130022715.D17482@wookimus.net> References: <20011130010334.P30126@ringworld.org> <20011130022715.D17482@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20011130072906.T30126@ringworld.org> * Chad C. Walstrom [011130 05:44]: > On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 01:03:34AM -0600, Scott Dier wrote: > > www.ringworld.org/~dieman/tclug-posters/dec01.ps > > Mind gzipping that monstrosity? ;-) www.ringworld.org/~dieman/tclug-posters/dec01.ps.bz2 -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From Ben at WorksCited.Net Fri Nov 30 18:48:08 2001 From: Ben at WorksCited.Net (Ben Stallings) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01113017190600.01082@Romana> Are we still on for the Installfest tomorrow? Where precisely will it be? --Ben (hastily downloading Yellow Dog 2.1) From thomas at stderr.net Fri Nov 30 19:39:43 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest? In-Reply-To: <01113017190600.01082@Romana>; from Ben@WorksCited.Net on Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 05:19:06PM -0600 References: <01113017190600.01082@Romana> Message-ID: <20011201020538.N67769@io.stderr.net> On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 05:19:06PM -0600, Ben Stallings wrote: > Are we still on for the Installfest tomorrow? Where precisely will it be? That would be next saturday, or everone that regularly meets on IRC will have planned one week off. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From clay at fandre.com Fri Nov 30 19:43:02 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest? In-Reply-To: <01113017190600.01082@Romana> References: <01113017190600.01082@Romana> Message-ID: <20011130191804.C19326@fandre.com> No, No. The installfest is on the 8th, the monthly meeting is tomorrow. Check the website!!! http://www.mn-linux.org/meetings/ http://www.mn-linux.org/installfest/ On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Ben Stallings wrote: > Are we still on for the Installfest tomorrow? Where precisely will it be? > --Ben (hastily downloading Yellow Dog 2.1) > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Fri Nov 30 21:07:22 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail clients In-Reply-To: <20011129161721.3B5BB4479@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> References: <20011128160818.0CFC828E4B@thursday.freeze.com> <01dd01c178d2$99c9f7a0$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> <20011129161721.3B5BB4479@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011130133758.ED48A28E56@thursday.freeze.com> The only problem with IMAP is the mail is stored on the server, which at the moment is an undesirable trait. I get the same basic functionality by having several POP accounts. On Thursday 29 November 2001 10:17 am, you wrote: > On your mail server, or the machine you read your mail from, setup imaps. > mkdir ~/mail. Use fetchmail to get mail from other servers. Use procmail to > sort your mail into folders under ~/mail. Configure imap mail clients to > use ~/mail as your folder prefix. > > At anyrate, kmail seems to use mbox format. So you could use any imap > client or pine or whatever to access kmail's folders. I perfer just using > IMAP so I can switch mail clients on a whim and not worry about losing > mail. :) From phil at rephil.org Fri Nov 30 23:14:26 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:32:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: winex runs diablo2 full version In-Reply-To: <3C07D710.378BE574@securecomputing.com>; from Jesse Erdmann on Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 12:59:28PM -0600 References: <1007007338.6525.0.camel@minime> <1007046404.4826.0.camel@titanium> <20011129155307.F30126@ringworld.org> <01112920424000.14444@edith> <20011129230326.M30126@ringworld.org> <1007143014.1160.1.camel@titanium> <3C07D710.378BE574@securecomputing.com> Message-ID: <20011130215300.A20949@rephil.org> On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 12:59:28PM -0600, Jesse Erdmann wrote: > Ben Lutgens wrote: > > WARNING! This is NOT A FLAME! :-) > > > > You take such a dark view of capitalist practices. Perhaps thier > > intentions are not malicious. Perhaps they just want to make some money. > > This is not a crime, nor is it immoral IMHO. After it is capitalism and > > the inherent strenghts and weaknesses that's made our countries economy > > strong enough to give us things like nationwide broadband Net access and > > buttloads of computer parts at reasonable prices. > > > > If you think any of this would be possible without the "Big Guns" the > > likes of say AT&T, U.S.West, and other so called "evil empires" *cough* > > microsoft *cough* you're mistaken. > > > Here's my random non-Linux related monthly contribution to list for > November. Read _Atlas Shrugged_ by Ayn Rand (this comment not directed > at Ben, just inspired by the comment). I'm about halfway through it, if > nothing else it's made me think a lot more about economics and > capitalism than I ever have before. Just be careful -- Ayn Rand's writing is one thing, her followers and their politics are completely another. The Ayn Rand Institute are about as savory as the Church of Scientology, and furthermore are very pro "Corporate-rights" (which are frankly contrary to Rand's own work many times.) Their web site supports Microsoft very heavily, at least as of a couple of years ago. I had the silly notion to try and reason with the president of said org several years ago, backed him into a corner, and he said, "well we won't be dissuaded by facts". The exchange went something like this: Phil: "Hang on -- you'd better define what rights you think a corporation has.'" Rand-ies: "A corporation has the same rights as the people that make up the corporation, of course." P: "Well, I don't think so. I have the right to vote; Microsoft doesn't. I have the right to bear arms. I sure as hell hope Microsoft doesn't. Therefore, they do not have all the rights of an individual, and your point is invalid." Rand-ies: "So?"... > Given that it was written in the 40s IIRC, it doesn't discuss things > like inteleectual property. Therfore, it's left to the student as an > exercise to apply theories therein to OSS or the Microsoft trial. Capitalism as it is practiced in Rand or the ideal assumes that there is absolute personal responsibility. The problem with capitalism in it's current degenerate form (not an moral judgment -- just a technical use of the word) is that the legal entity known as a corporation has the sole intent of limiting personal responsibility. Further, the assumption that consumers find the best value before making a purchase is a known flaw in most current economic models. (Wanna Ph.D. thesis topic in economics? Build models based on people buying when the find something 'good-enough' or on word of mouth.) So Rand is provoking, but not a very good model. (Good writer though -- but I like the Fountainhead or Anthem better.) That's just my two-cents worth -- though it's probably an inflated value! -- I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together.