From jack at jacku.com Mon Oct 1 06:30:20 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IIS more functional then Apache? In-Reply-To: <20011001063936.C6979@io.stderr.net> References: <20010930222716.I4979@real-time.com> <20010930230233.F31196@ringworld.org> <20011001063936.C6979@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <01100106302001.01290@geezer> On Sunday 30 September 2001 23:39, you wrote: > Dice.com: > > /ASP/: 1426 jobs matching > > /PHP/: 77 jobs matching > > Sad. > > But luckilly: > /perl/: 2494 > > But unfortunately none of those are in Minneapolis :( > > I guess a lot of companies just heard that they absolutely "need" their > website to be written with ASP. That maybe true but are you sure that ASP stands for "Active Server Pages" in all those cases? There is the "Application Service Provider" and at least one other ASP that escapes me at the moment. Also does the article Bob referenced didn't make it clear. Did Gartner suggest Apache or iPlanet on a platform other than Windows? If not shouldn't Apache be able to handle ASP's as well as IIS on Windows? (Not that you'd want it to necessarily.) -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From veldy at veldy.net Mon Oct 1 08:29:36 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] QWest DSL Provision -- when? References: <00b101c14837$3134a760$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010930220347.C4979@real-time.com> Message-ID: <004901c14a7d$1d818740$3028680a@tgt.com> > > > > We haven't had anyone come through a remote terminal yet, but according to > > the info they have told us, it shouldn't any different that the normal > > provisioning time. > > Keyword here is "shouldn't". It's Qwest after all. > They originally told me that it takes up to 30 days to provision a line out of a remote terminal. I was amazed that they gave me a due date of 10/1 (today :). That was only 2 weeks. The line came up Friday and it works exactly as I expected it to. I, for one, am a happy QWest customer at the moment. They must like my new neighborhood better than my old. My old neighborhood had horrible lines on many of the pairs and I think they just wrote it off (as did AT&T). Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > From veldy at veldy.net Mon Oct 1 08:31:29 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] QWest DSL Provision -- when? References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF43@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20010930220745.D4979@real-time.com> Message-ID: <005601c14a7d$60ddca80$3028680a@tgt.com> As soon as the incoming call kickbacks ended, so did the "wonderfulness" of Ovation. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Tanner" To: Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] QWest DSL Provision -- when? > Quoting Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com): > > > I'd love to leave Qwest behind, but I like having Real-Time > > > as my ISP. Got to take the bad along with the good... > > > > Call USLink and see if you can get a business DSL line to real-time. It > > might be possible. > > Does USLink offer a Qwest-like mega-central service? Ie DSLAM? > > How about a url for this company? > > I hate being totally pessimistic, but USLink sounds alot like Ovation, which > rocked, then they got by, hmmm, can't remember, but now are McLeod and they just > suck, like Qwest. > > What I like about Ovation is they catered to ISPs. Which was nice. > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From nate at techie.com Mon Oct 1 09:19:39 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cable Modems/Switch/Routers In-Reply-To: <16e.1a73bcf.28e92608@aol.com>; from AIRPLANEIT@aol.com on Sun, Sep 30, 2001 at 09:51:00PM -0400 References: <16e.1a73bcf.28e92608@aol.com> Message-ID: <20011001091939.A9836@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Sun, Sep 30, 2001 at 09:51:00PM -0400, AIRPLANEIT@aol.com wrote: > If you find out that you CAN in fact purchase a cable modem in > Minnesota, please let the list know, as I just yesterday ordered ATT > Broadband, and would like to buy a modem if I can. Yes, in Minnesota you CAN buy your own cable modem. It costs $9.95 to activate the modem with AT&T, then you get $10/month off your bill. They have their list of approved cable modems at: http://help.broadband.att.com/faq.jsp?content_id=512&category_id=50 Time to start shopping. Nate From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Oct 1 09:30:03 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cable modems In-Reply-To: <3BB7E04C.7070004@slava.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 30 Sep 2001, Lorry wrote: > I moved from St. Cloud and had to stop my cable modem service. I didn't > drop off my cable modem to the company THAT day so they charged me $180. > The charge was credited when I returned the modem, fortunately, but > that is a far cry from $10! I would definitely check with the > particular company before trying a stunt like that. Most cable providers quote you $180 for not returning the modem. Maybe the $10 mentioned was rent chrages for it until you returned it. if there is truly a service that allows you to keep the modem for $10 it might be worth signing up and cancelling again just to keep the modem. From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Oct 1 09:55:26 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DVD under linux Message-ID: I purchased a new DVD drive last week for my computer. I spent this weekend trying to watch DVDs. I'm posting this because I laugh at those who say Windows is simpler to use than linux. Trial #1: Windows. I decided that since Windows is a "simpler OS" and I just want to watch a movie I'd set it up in Windows and get the linux stuff working later (no doubt upgrading libraries and recompiling kernels). I have a small (800 MB) Win95 partition on my machine I use just for stuff I like this. I install the software and pop in the DVD. Gives me some codec errors. Download the new version of the DVD software. Same error. Their support site is useless. It keeps telling me to "go to the support site and download the new codec". Well, I'm on the support site and there isn't any download that I can see. I call up my Windows loving buddies (they will get their wrath on judgement day) and they tell me that it's dumb to even try DVD under Win95. So, I look for my Win98 disc, not found, I guess I'll install Win2K. Note the partition size above. I install the OS, start the DVD install, "you need at least 5 MB free disk space". Umm.. what? Win2K decided to help itself to my hard drive. I start going and deleting useless files (WAVs, help files) and reclaim 30 MB after Win2K complains that I'm removing "precious protected files that will cause Windows to run incorrectly". Install the new version of the DVD software, it tells me that my res and color depth are set too high. I set it to 800x600x256. Same error. I set it to 640x480x16. Same error. Conclusion.. it's my video card, I have to wait til Monday to find someone to loan me a nicer PCI video card. Well, I guess I'll try linux then..... Trial #2: linux. I read the DVD HOWTO and grabbed LiViD. I was already running a 2.4 kernel so DVD support was there. I started oms and.. umm.. started watching my movie. Less than 10 minutes of work (downloading, compiling, making popcorn) and DVD is working. This after several hours of re-installing Windows and patching the software to no avail. Windows really needs to go away. -Brian From doug at northlandstudios.com Mon Oct 1 10:20:07 2001 From: doug at northlandstudios.com (Doug) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DVD under linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: hahahaha that's great! I bought a creative dvd drive about 4 months ago and had it blue screen a win2k box so bad it required a reinstall (yes it hosed everything somehow). I got it working after playing with winme for about an hour and it works good, although I've been wanting to try it on linux but I didn't want to somehow royally screw that box up in the process. What drive and distro are you using? And how smooth is the video? -- Doug Henry, MCSE/MCP+I Senior Applications Developer/DBA Gage Impact Incentives doug_henry@gage.com (work) doug@northlandstudios.com (personal) -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Brian Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 9:55 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] DVD under linux I purchased a new DVD drive last week for my computer. I spent this weekend trying to watch DVDs. I'm posting this because I laugh at those who say Windows is simpler to use than linux. Trial #1: Windows. I decided that since Windows is a "simpler OS" and I just want to watch a movie I'd set it up in Windows and get the linux stuff working later (no doubt upgrading libraries and recompiling kernels). I have a small (800 MB) Win95 partition on my machine I use just for stuff I like this. I install the software and pop in the DVD. Gives me some codec errors. Download the new version of the DVD software. Same error. Their support site is useless. It keeps telling me to "go to the support site and download the new codec". Well, I'm on the support site and there isn't any download that I can see. I call up my Windows loving buddies (they will get their wrath on judgement day) and they tell me that it's dumb to even try DVD under Win95. So, I look for my Win98 disc, not found, I guess I'll install Win2K. Note the partition size above. I install the OS, start the DVD install, "you need at least 5 MB free disk space". Umm.. what? Win2K decided to help itself to my hard drive. I start going and deleting useless files (WAVs, help files) and reclaim 30 MB after Win2K complains that I'm removing "precious protected files that will cause Windows to run incorrectly". Install the new version of the DVD software, it tells me that my res and color depth are set too high. I set it to 800x600x256. Same error. I set it to 640x480x16. Same error. Conclusion.. it's my video card, I have to wait til Monday to find someone to loan me a nicer PCI video card. Well, I guess I'll try linux then..... Trial #2: linux. I read the DVD HOWTO and grabbed LiViD. I was already running a 2.4 kernel so DVD support was there. I started oms and.. umm.. started watching my movie. Less than 10 minutes of work (downloading, compiling, making popcorn) and DVD is working. This after several hours of re-installing Windows and patching the software to no avail. Windows really needs to go away. -Brian _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Oct 1 10:37:52 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DVD under linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Oct 2001, Doug wrote: > hahahaha that's great! I bought a creative dvd drive about 4 months ago and > had it blue screen a win2k box so bad it required a reinstall (yes it hosed > everything somehow). I got it working after playing with winme for about an > hour and it works good, although I've been wanting to try it on linux but I > didn't want to somehow royally screw that box up in the process. What drive > and distro are you using? And how smooth is the video? I'm using a Afree DVD drive (super generic) and a hacked up version of Redhat 6.2. X3.3.6, kernel 2.4.4. The video is super choppy because A) my crappy video card and B) my crappy CPU. It may just be that I'm the exception not the rule on this (I have a lot of weird hacked libraries on my system, your results may vary). One thing that excited me is that the HOWTO is VERY short considering the "supposed complexity" of DVD and yet it's damn near idiot proof to get it working. -Brian From jay at slushpupie.com Mon Oct 1 10:53:20 2001 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DVD under linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011001155425.FYSA13030.femail33.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> The last time I tried doing DVD with LiVid, it couldnt do encrypted DVD's (copyright blah blah blah...). Which DVD did you watch and was it encrypted? Jay On Monday 01 October 2001 10:37 am, you wrote: > On Mon, 1 Oct 2001, Doug wrote: > > hahahaha that's great! I bought a creative dvd drive about 4 months ago > > and had it blue screen a win2k box so bad it required a reinstall (yes it > > hosed everything somehow). I got it working after playing with winme for > > about an hour and it works good, although I've been wanting to try it on > > linux but I didn't want to somehow royally screw that box up in the > > process. What drive and distro are you using? And how smooth is the > > video? > > I'm using a Afree DVD drive (super generic) and a hacked up version of > Redhat 6.2. X3.3.6, kernel 2.4.4. The video is super choppy because > A) my crappy video card and B) my crappy CPU. It may just be that I'm the > exception not the rule on this (I have a lot of weird hacked libraries on > my system, your results may vary). One thing that excited me is that the > HOWTO is VERY short considering the "supposed complexity" of DVD and yet > it's damn near idiot proof to get it working. > > -Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- You will be misunderstood by everyone. From dd-b at dd-b.net Mon Oct 1 11:09:09 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IIS more functional then Apache? In-Reply-To: <01100106302001.01290@geezer> References: <20010930222716.I4979@real-time.com> <20010930230233.F31196@ringworld.org> <20011001063936.C6979@io.stderr.net> <01100106302001.01290@geezer> Message-ID: Jack Ungerleider writes: > On Sunday 30 September 2001 23:39, you wrote: > > Dice.com: > > > > /ASP/: 1426 jobs matching > > > > /PHP/: 77 jobs matching > > > > Sad. > > > > But luckilly: > > /perl/: 2494 > > > > But unfortunately none of those are in Minneapolis :( > > > > I guess a lot of companies just heard that they absolutely "need" their > > website to be written with ASP. > > That maybe true but are you sure that ASP stands for "Active Server Pages" in > all those cases? There is the "Application Service Provider" and at least one > other ASP that escapes me at the moment. Some kind of venemous serpent, I think. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ From veldy at veldy.net Mon Oct 1 11:18:43 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DVD under linux References: Message-ID: <010a01c14a94$bdfa3070$3028680a@tgt.com> You would probably get much better video using X4.0.x DRI should make for a better video experience. Tom Veldhouse veldy71@yahoo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian" To: Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 10:37 AM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] DVD under linux > On Mon, 1 Oct 2001, Doug wrote: > > > hahahaha that's great! I bought a creative dvd drive about 4 months ago and > > had it blue screen a win2k box so bad it required a reinstall (yes it hosed > > everything somehow). I got it working after playing with winme for about an > > hour and it works good, although I've been wanting to try it on linux but I > > didn't want to somehow royally screw that box up in the process. What drive > > and distro are you using? And how smooth is the video? > > I'm using a Afree DVD drive (super generic) and a hacked up version of > Redhat 6.2. X3.3.6, kernel 2.4.4. The video is super choppy because > A) my crappy video card and B) my crappy CPU. It may just be that I'm the > exception not the rule on this (I have a lot of weird hacked libraries on > my system, your results may vary). One thing that excited me is that the > HOWTO is VERY short considering the "supposed complexity" of DVD and yet > it's damn near idiot proof to get it working. > > -Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Mon Oct 1 11:27:59 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] {string of non-readable chars} Time:AM 10:56:59 In-Reply-To: <20010929163434.7781ff5b.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> References: <200109281930.DAA30642@mail.shmps.kh.edu.tw> <3BB5E401.6000706@slava.net> <20010929163434.7781ff5b.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011001112759.C16012@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Sat, Sep 29, 2001 at 04:34:34PM -0500, Mike Hicks wrote: > Lorry wrote: > > 2) make special characters in my own emails > > in Linux. I know how to in my other operating system which I would > > prefer not to have to use. I've tried searching for information on > > this, but I always end up finding Linux information in various > > languages, rather than information on how to so this. Any info on this? > > Well, if you have a Windows keyboard, you can set up those extra buttons > to actually be somewhat useful. My right Windows button (pops up the > Start menu) is set up to act as a `compose' key. If I press it, then a > letter, and then another character, I can get certain international > characters to come up. Also, there are ways specific to various programs for getting special characters. For example to get a "?" in LaTeX, use \"o. In Vim type Control-k the letter and then a punctuation - to get a "?" type "Control-k c," or to get "?" type "Control-k e'". If the examples I have shown above show up as "?"s then you may have to fiddle with some environment variables. I have "LANG=en_US" and "LC_COLLATE=C" (which isn't necessary, but keeps the order for ls from being changed from the traditional order). -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org Cookies are tasty! |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://freesklyarov.org/ From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Oct 1 11:33:22 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DVD under linux In-Reply-To: <20011001155425.FYSA13030.femail33.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Oct 2001, Jay Kline wrote: > The last time I tried doing DVD with LiVid, it couldnt do encrypted DVD's > (copyright blah blah blah...). Which DVD did you watch and was it encrypted? It was an older DVD, I swiped it from the "what the hell is this and why are we keeping it" closet at work, it's some promotional deal we got awhile back. If I can find the original paperwork I can send in for my certification papers on selling portable display units or something. I never made it to the video store to rent Antitrust like I had planned. I was curious about the encryption thing myself, with the noise from DeCSS I wasn't sure how they would've slipped it into LiViD without the MPAA noticing. So, who's gotten DVD working so far on linux? I've had it for a whole day now so I'm very much a newbie, what am I getting into that I haven't thought of yet? -Brian From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Oct 1 11:38:12 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DVD under linux In-Reply-To: <010a01c14a94$bdfa3070$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Oct 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > You would probably get much better video using X4.0.x Ok, I've gone around on the idea of upgrading to X4. I've got an old MMX processor. Deos X4 handle well on it? from what I've seen X3 is nicer on older hardware and X4 is nicer on newer hardware. I'm upgrading my video card to an ATI Rage 8MB (see also Windows DVD stuff) and I don't think they ever built it into X3. Upgrading to X4 breaks the Corel font server so I have to hack that all up to get Corel Office working. So, I don't mind upgrading to X4 but will it be slower and what sort of incompatibilities will I run into? -Brian From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Oct 1 11:48:30 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DVD under linux In-Reply-To: <010a01c14a94$bdfa3070$3028680a@tgt.com> References: <010a01c14a94$bdfa3070$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20011001114830.J31196@ringworld.org> * Thomas T. Veldhouse [011001 11:38]: > DRI should make for a better video experience. DRI has little to do with it, Xv and Video Overlays do. You can do Xv on cards that dont do DRI. X3.x did Xv too AFAIK. xine + d4d plugin works great here. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net "History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." - Justice Thurgood Marshall (1989) From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Mon Oct 1 10:39:16 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] web browser loading wrong pages -- fix In-Reply-To: <20010930114337.F16758@lemongecko.org> References: <20010930114337.F16758@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: <20011001103916.A16012@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Sun, Sep 30, 2001 at 11:43:39AM -0500, Dan Drake wrote: > Last week I wrote about a problem with Mozilla loading the wrong web pages. > Imagine my shock when Galeon did the same thing. And there's a Debian bug > report for *Konqueror* doing that, too! > > The fix? Don't use junkbuster. Junkbuster (the Debian testing version, at > any rate) is broken; check out the bug report [1]. > > It has something to do with persistent HTTP connections -- indeed, I > noticed that clearing my browser history was fairly effective at fixing the > problem. I haven't had problems like this in a while with mozilla and junkbuster, though I run the nightly builds mostly on Solaris. Take a look a mozilla's Debug|Networking preferences. Also, take a mozilla bugs that discuss how to work around this problem with junkbuster [1] and on adding more junkbuster functionality directly to mozilla[2]. 1. http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38488 2. http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91783 -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org Cookies are tasty! |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://freesklyarov.org/ From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Mon Oct 1 11:02:36 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] readlink? (Musicmatch Jukebox) In-Reply-To: <1001909570.9430.686.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20010930173228.A23727@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <20011001011523.H30528@io.stderr.net> <1001909570.9430.686.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20011001110236.B16012@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Sun, Sep 30, 2001 at 11:12:49PM -0500, Brady Hegberg wrote: > I found this program called Musicmatch jukebox for Linux > (www.musicmatch.com). I was intrigued (mostly by it's ability to record > to MP3 from line-in) so I decided to give it a try. However when I > installed it and tried to run it I got the following error (over and > over till I killed it actually) Encoding mp3s from line-in shouldn't be that hard with other audio utilities if your machine isn't too ancient. Something like bplay | lame (I haven't looked up the options ) should work. > /usr/local/bin/mmjb: readlink: command not found > > I found the readlink program in the "tetex" package but I don't > particularly want to install this 10MB package I don't need for a 2k > program. Any ideas? You shouldn't need to install TeTeX (in fact the readlink in TeTeX is probably something different) to get readlink. In Debian readlink is a standard program in the debianutils and I'm guessing that it is probably in Redhat (et al.) as well. If not, then you can get the source and install it. You probably already have it installed. Try 'find / -name readlink' and see if its already installed. If it is installed, make sure its in your path. If it is in your path try copying (or better yet linking) it to /usr/local/bin and see if that helps. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org Cookies are tasty! |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://freesklyarov.org/ From foeclan at winternet.com Mon Oct 1 12:52:35 2001 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DVD under linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Oct 2001, Brian wrote: > I purchased a new DVD drive last week for my computer. I spent this > weekend trying to watch DVDs. I'm posting this because I laugh at those > who say Windows is simpler to use than linux. > Hmm. Afraid I had opposite experiences. The copy of WinDVD that came with my laptop worked great. Dropped the DVD in, and I was watching Outlaw Star immediately. The copy of OMS I downloaded tended to segfault (even when compiled for my system). Xine would show me the first frame of the movie and not proceed from there. MPlayer would finally let me actually watch it, but I couldn't find the appropriate audio track to switch from Japanese to English (so I like dubs, cope :). I'm not willing to make the stretch that DVD playing under Linux sucks and Windows r00lz or anything. Those're just the experiences I had with it. Some people have obviously had better experiences with it than I have. I'll just keep trying the new releases when they come out and hope LinDVD gets released sometime this century in the meantime. > > Windows really needs to go away. > Can't disagree there. > -Brian -- Michael Vieths Foeclan@Winternet.Com From nassarmu at mctc.mnscu.edu Mon Oct 1 12:14:53 2001 From: nassarmu at mctc.mnscu.edu (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DVD under linux Message-ID: I have DVD working without too much of a hassle hassle, i use the Complete Xine 4.3 (the 5.x series didnt work) i have also used the VideoLAN Client Project, nifty tool and even though the interface is not as clean it works better than the Xine interface. (i can even pause with this one) The only problem with both of them is that my monitor goes into powersave mode every 30 mins or so; i have to keep moving the mouse to prevent this. Any clues on how to fix this? >So, who's gotten DVD working so far on linux? >I've had it for a whole day >now so I'm very much a newbie, what am I getting >into that I haven't >thought of yet? > >-Brian -munir From amy at real-time.com Mon Oct 1 13:16:32 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] lpr and text files Message-ID: <20011001131632.K9011@real-time.com> When I use lpr to print a text file, the text doesn't print correctly. Each line is separate, but with an increasing margin. it looks kind of like this: line 1 line 2 line 3 rather than line 1 line 2 line 3 any idea what's causing this? -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From tanner at real-time.com Mon Oct 1 13:36:46 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IIS more functional then Apache? In-Reply-To: <20011001054341.B6979@io.stderr.net>; from thomas@stderr.net on Mon, Oct 01, 2001 at 05:43:41AM +0200 References: <20010930222716.I4979@real-time.com> <20011001054341.B6979@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20011001133646.G10061@real-time.com> Quoting Thomas Eibner (thomas@stderr.net): > On Sun, Sep 30, 2001 at 10:27:16PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > So, what functionality does IIS have that Apache does not have? > > ASP out of the box (Active Security Problems anyone?) > Really? I thought ASP was an add-on. At least I thought in IIS 3.0 you had to install some sort of new package to get ASP. But point taken, out of the box IIS comes with ASP. "Out of the box (off the ftp site?)" Apache just servers up web content. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Mon Oct 1 13:38:53 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IIS more functional then Apache? In-Reply-To: <20011001063936.C6979@io.stderr.net>; from thomas@stderr.net on Mon, Oct 01, 2001 at 06:39:36AM +0200 References: <20010930222716.I4979@real-time.com> <20011001054341.B6979@io.stderr.net> <20010930230233.F31196@ringworld.org> <20011001063936.C6979@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20011001133853.H10061@real-time.com> Quoting Thomas Eibner (thomas@stderr.net): > Dice.com: > /ASP/: 1426 jobs matching > /PHP/: 77 jobs matching > /perl/: 2494 /java/: 5330 :-) /java linux/: 313 :-( -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From amy at real-time.com Mon Oct 1 13:32:02 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: lpr and text files Message-ID: <20011001133202.L9011@real-time.com> Nevermind - found the solution - had to turn on 'Fix Stair-Stepping' in the Input filter under printtool. ----- Forwarded message from Amy Tanner ----- Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 13:16:32 -0500 From: Amy Tanner To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: lpr and text files When I use lpr to print a text file, the text doesn't print correctly. Each line is separate, but with an increasing margin. it looks kind of like this: line 1 line 2 line 3 rather than line 1 line 2 line 3 any idea what's causing this? -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Oct 1 13:47:09 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] lpr and text files In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 01 Oct 2001 13:16:32 CDT." <20011001131632.K9011@real-time.com> References: <20011001131632.K9011@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011001184709.2632E184FB@skuld.wk> In message <20011001131632.K9011@real-time.com>, Amy Tanner writes: > When I use lpr to print a text file, the text doesn't print > correctly. Each line is separate, but with an increasing margin. This is otherwise known as stair-stepping. In order to fix the problem in general, it's easiest to install a filtering package such as magicfilter or ifhp. Look into the Printing-HOWTO at linuxdoc.org for more information. One way to avoid having to install filters is to use enscript(1). Instead of using lpr, you would type: bash$ enscript -P The nice thing about enscript is that it has the ability to print multiple pages per piece of paper: bash$ enscript -2rG This will print the text doc side-by-side on one piece of paper. If you have a duplex capable printer, you can add this line to your /etc/printcap to print duplex automatically: lp:main:main-duplex:\ # ... :append_z=duplex: main-simplex:\ # ... :append_z=simplex: Or, you can specify this on the command line with the print job your sending: Excerpt from enscript(1): -D key[:value], --setpagedevice=key[:value] Pass a page device definition to the generated PostScript output. If no value is given, key key is removed from definitions. For example, command enscript -DDuplex:true foo.txt prints file foo.txt in duplex (two side) mode. Page device operators are implementation dependant but they are standardized. See section PAGE DEVICE OPTIONS for details. Exerpt from lpr(1): -Z options -o options Pass the specified options to the print spooler. Used when additional or specialized information must be provided to the spooler. Good luck! -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD From nate at techie.com Mon Oct 1 13:53:12 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] lpr and text files In-Reply-To: <20011001131632.K9011@real-time.com>; from amy@real-time.com on Mon, Oct 01, 2001 at 01:16:32PM -0500 References: <20011001131632.K9011@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011001135312.A21467@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Mon, Oct 01, 2001 at 01:16:32PM -0500, Amy Tanner wrote: > When I use lpr to print a text file, the text doesn't print correctly. Each > line is separate, but with an increasing margin. That's the whole "what ends a line?" dilemma. Unix ends lines with just a line feed. DOS used a carriage return and a line feed. Usually your print filters will take care of this for you. You should check your printer filters to make sure they handle text files correctly. I personally send all my text output through mpage because it allows you to print multiple pages to one and add headers, footers, line numbers, etc to the output. Nate From thomas at stderr.net Mon Oct 1 13:59:01 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] lpr and text files In-Reply-To: <20011001135312.A21467@candle.mn.mediaone.net>; from nate@techie.com on Mon, Oct 01, 2001 at 01:53:12PM -0500 References: <20011001131632.K9011@real-time.com> <20011001135312.A21467@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20011001205901.A18097@io.stderr.net> On Mon, Oct 01, 2001 at 01:53:12PM -0500, Nate Straz wrote: > I personally send all my text output through mpage because it allows you > to print multiple pages to one and add headers, footers, line numbers, > etc to the output. a2ps is also a nice tool for that just installed mpage to try that out. :-) -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From fish at slava.net Mon Oct 1 16:10:27 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] {string of non-readable chars} Time:AM 10:56:59 References: <200109281930.DAA30642@mail.shmps.kh.edu.tw> <3BB5E401.6000706@slava.net> <20010929163434.7781ff5b.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20011001112759.C16012@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3BB8DBC3.7000308@slava.net> > > >Also, there are ways specific to various programs for getting >special characters. For example to get a "?" in LaTeX, use \"o. >In Vim type Control-k the letter and then a punctuation - to get >a "?" type "Control-k c," or to get "?" type "Control-k e'". > >If the examples I have shown above show up as "?"s then you may >have to fiddle with some environment variables. I have >"LANG=en_US" and "LC_COLLATE=C" (which isn't necessary, but keeps >the order for ls from being changed from the traditional order). > Those do not show up as "?"s. My other emails are still getting "?"s, and some of them are postings to Yahoo! clubs. When I go to the club website the same postings are "?"-less, so I'm not sure what that means. Maybe it means I should stop using Mozilla mail. It has been giving me other problems as well anyway. From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Oct 1 16:39:11 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bootable Linux CD with CD-R support? Message-ID: Anyone know of any other bootable Linux CD's besides Demo Linux that support CD-R's? The LinuxCare BBC's don't (Not even the latest version) The reason is, one of my girlfriends little brother's infected the family computer with a .vbs worm. We'd like to be able to get in there and burn a cd of My Documents and what not before reinstalling the computer. As the computer is infected, Windows barely runs. We don't really want to take the hard drive out of the computer. I figured a bootable linux cd with cd-r support would do the trick. DemoLinux seems to be the only one I can find. But it's taking forever to download. :) Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Oct 1 17:00:41 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bootable Linux CD with CD-R support? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF57@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Does trinux or Tom's root boot (http://www.toms.net) come with cdrecord? > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) [mailto:zibby+tclug@ringworld.org] > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 4:39 PM > To: TCLUG-list > Subject: [TCLUG] Bootable Linux CD with CD-R support? > > > Anyone know of any other bootable Linux CD's besides Demo > Linux that support CD-R's? The LinuxCare BBC's don't (Not > even the latest version) > > The reason is, one of my girlfriends little brother's > infected the family computer with a .vbs worm. We'd like to > be able to get in there and burn a cd of My Documents and > what not before reinstalling the computer. > > As the computer is infected, Windows barely runs. We don't > really want to take the hard drive out of the computer. I > figured a bootable linux cd with cd-r support would do the trick. > > DemoLinux seems to be the only one I can find. But it's > taking forever to download. :) > > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org > "We can learn much more from wise words, little > from wisecracks and less from wise guys." > --William Arthur Ward > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From drake+tclug at lemongecko.org Mon Oct 1 17:11:57 2001 From: drake+tclug at lemongecko.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] {string of non-readable chars} Time:AM 10:56:59 In-Reply-To: <3BB8DBC3.7000308@slava.net> References: <200109281930.DAA30642@mail.shmps.kh.edu.tw> <3BB5E401.6000706@slava.net> <20010929163434.7781ff5b.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20011001112759.C16012@gordo.space.umn.edu> <3BB8DBC3.7000308@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011001171155.C19454@lemongecko.org> On Mon, Oct 01, 2001 at 04:10PM -0500, Lorry wrote: > Maybe it means I should stop using Mozilla mail. Yes. You should have stopped using Mozilla mail a long time ago, but that's okay. It's never too late to switch to Mutt. Dan -- | 4699 BDCB B1A5 28B6 7F8A F8DF EB6A BC2A B0A1 99BF (GPG) | Dan Drake | http://lemongecko.org/drake/ | Twin Cities Linux Users Group - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 and Red Hat Linux 7.0 Message-ID: <20011001105403.45482.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com> Hello everyone Here I have a Cisco 675 router, and my computer runs Red Hat Linux 7.0 and I want some help to get Linux to use the router. There is some command but I can't remember, its like 'adsl' or 'adsl setup' but it didn't recognize the command. I'll be very thankful if some one can tell me how to set it up, or give me a web site. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone with Yahoo! by Phone. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011001/111fb7c3/attachment.html From pauljrech at yahoo.com Mon Oct 1 09:38:02 2001 From: pauljrech at yahoo.com (Paul Rech) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISP puzzler In-Reply-To: <20010925225918.P27957@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20011001143803.49171.qmail@web20601.mail.yahoo.com> In my ongoing search for the perfect ISP, I chose to go with TC Internet, mostly based on price. This appears to have been a mistake. I changed my configuration and was able to connect fine. But when I tried to access linuxtoday.com, nothing returned. It said host contacted waiting for reply and then sat there. I stopped it after 30 seconds or so. I ping -c 2 and it gets 100% packet loss. But it does show the ip address of linuxtoday. So it must be resolving it. I try the star tibune site. It starts to load, I get the banner but then the load steadily slows and the page never shows up. I hit the stop button and still nothing. Then when I try to move to a different site, the star tib page shows up and finishes loading. Other sites like google and amazon are fine. They come back fast. So I switch back to my earthlink account. Everything is fine. All sites come back normally. Back to tcinternet. Same problems. I try konqueror instead of netscape (4.76 I think). Same problems. Add'l info: Redhat 7.1 is the client. I use IP masquerading. Debian 2.2 on the dial-up machine. This has been a steady problem since last thursday. I have both earthlink and tcinternet dns servers in /etc/resolv.conf. I have identical resolv.conf files on all machines on my LAN. If you have accessible nameservers setup, how can some sites work fine but others don't? I've been using Linux for dial-up since 1933. I've never had a problem like this. If I can connect, everything else falls in place. I'd like to drop tcinternet and get a full refund. But having supported users in some capacity over the last 13 years, I don't want to go off half-cocked. No mention of supporting Linux on their web page. I'll probably give them an anuerism if I mention Linux let alone IP Masquerading. And I only get voice-mail when I call. I emailed Friday morning with no response. I called and left messsages Friday afternoon and this morning. Still nothing. If anyone can shed some light on this, I would really appreciate it. Thanks, Paul ===== Paul Rech pauljrech@acm.org pauljrech@yahoo.com 651-430-9935 hm 651-246-6823 cell "The instructions said "Win95 or better required". So I installed Linux" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com From florin at iucha.net Mon Oct 1 18:53:51 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 and Red Hat Linux 7.0 In-Reply-To: <20011001105403.45482.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com>; from mnfan11@yahoo.com on Mon, Oct 01, 2001 at 03:54:03AM -0700 References: <20011001105403.45482.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20011001185351.A31209@beaver.iucha.org> On Mon, Oct 01, 2001 at 03:54:03AM -0700, Elvedin T. wrote: > > Hello everyone > > Here I have a Cisco 675 router, and my computer runs Red Hat Linux 7.0 and I want some help to get Linux to use the router. There is some command but I can't remember, its like 'adsl' or 'adsl setup' but it didn't recognize the command. I'll be very thankful if some one can tell me how to set it up, or give me a web site. > You need to telnet in, or connect using the serial cable via minicom. After you are in, follow the instructions in the "manual setup" in the Cisco Manual that came with the router. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011001/d70b3369/attachment.pgp From rudie at sihope.com Mon Oct 1 17:59:15 2001 From: rudie at sihope.com (K Hinze) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 and Red Hat Linux 7.0 In-Reply-To: <20011001105403.45482.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20011001105403.45482.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20011001185915.110672b8.rudie@sihope.com> Outside of addressing issues, there isn't really anything to make linux work with your router. Make sure your network card is configured properly with your cisco and bam! just like that. google search using 'minicom cisco 675 settings' gives forth such websites as www.getnet.com/~awagner/Page4.html which is a great resource when using minicom to communicate with the router. Really only necessary when tweaking or upgrading the router. is this a new connection or is your cisco all set up already? If so, nothing special needs to be done to get it to work under linux. If it is a new connection, use minicom to set up the router based on the info your ISP gave you. HTH -Kevin On Mon, 1 Oct 2001 03:54:03 -0700 (PDT) "Elvedin T." wrote: > > Hello everyone > > Here I have a Cisco 675 router, and my computer runs Red Hat Linux 7.0 and I want some help to get Linux to use the router. There is some command but I can't remember, its like 'adsl' or 'adsl setup' but it didn't recognize the command. I'll be very thankful if some one can tell me how to set it up, or give me a web site. > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone with Yahoo! by Phone. From dsherman at real-time.com Mon Oct 1 19:05:46 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 and Red Hat Linux 7.0 In-Reply-To: <20011001105403.45482.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20011001105403.45482.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01100119054600.13376@dedannshae.thuria.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 01 October 2001 05:54 am, Elvedin T. wrote: > Hello everyone > > Here I have a Cisco 675 router, and my computer runs Red Hat Linux 7.0 > and I want some help to get Linux to use the router. There is some > command but I can't remember, its like 'adsl' or 'adsl setup' but it > didn't recognize the command. I'll be very thankful if some one can tell > me how to set it up, or give me a web site. There may be some such command, I don't know. However, it really isn't necessary if you have DSL with a router. All you need to know is your network address and subnet mask, and the IP address of your router to be your default gateway. The chances are pretty good that your router is already configured to be a dhcp server, so you just need to tell your box to use dhcp -- no muss, no fuss. You can either use linuxconf to configure your Linux network settings (use dhcp, or manual settings), or you can edit the various config files by hand. Dave - -- "Nihil tam munitum quod non expugnari pecunia possit." (No fortification is such that it cannot be subdued with money.) - - Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 B.C. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7uQTdA68l26XsZUYRAgnfAKCLWrVu7cQFt/GaKXMBufv8JiG7iQCgiLwZ Q5HV/e9+sBGt+heVjIb2kQM= =L11C -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From pauljrech at tcinternet.net Mon Oct 1 19:42:19 2001 From: pauljrech at tcinternet.net (Paul Rech) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network Admin Job Opening Message-ID: <3BB90D6B.C1523DEC@tcinternet.net> There's a local manufacturing company looking for a network admin. I don't know all the facts but they have a lot of Cisco hardware. I used to contract there. I can find out all you need. One of the few companies around that provide a pension, matching 401k, full medical and dental and unlimited sick time. Yes, unlimited. Really. One big caveat, they are a Microsoft shop. No UNIX, no Linux. I do know that you could set up a linux laptop or machine on your own and no one would care. E-mail me at pauljrech@acm.org if you are interested. Paul From pauljrech at tcinternet.net Mon Oct 1 19:54:45 2001 From: pauljrech at tcinternet.net (Paul Rech) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mutt problem Message-ID: <3BB91055.D3BBF772@tcinternet.net> When I try to mail from my home machine to my earthlink account I get the message in the attached file called mail.fleb bounced back to me. I'm guessing it's because of the rechpj@localhost part. Earthlink mail can't resolve that to a real domain. That's why I added the my_hdr part in my muttrc based on some google research. Which probably looks anemic, but it was one of the few muttrc files I could find that was not 5 pages long. I can email my account at yahoo, no problem. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Pine works fine to earthlink, but I like mutt much better. More like elm, which I used for years at the U of M. 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Last-Attempt-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 19:43:37 -0500 --f920hbA00953.1001983417/matrix.bedlam.org Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: (from rechpj@localhost) by matrix.bedlam.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f920hXB00951 for rechpj@earthlink.net; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 19:43:33 -0500 Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 19:43:33 -0500 From: Paul Rech To: rechpj@earthlink.net Subject: test Message-ID: <20011001194333.A944@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i telsjakl --f920hbA00953.1001983417/matrix.bedlam.org-- -------------- next part -------------- set folder=~/Mail set alias_file=.alias set postponed=.postponed set record=SendMessages set signature=.signature #set envelope_from #set from="pauljrech@acm.org" unset use_domain set hostname=earthlink.net my_hdr From: "Paul Rech" #source =.alias From jay at slushpupie.com Mon Oct 1 11:48:46 2001 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DVD under linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011002015543.YMMN14451.femail38.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> > So, who's gotten DVD working so far on linux? I've had it for a whole day > now so I'm very much a newbie, what am I getting into that I haven't > thought of yet? I had Orbs (I think that is what it was called, they had an article on slashdot a ways back) working a while ago, but ended up reinstalling everything and have not had the chance to play with DVD. I know Orbs could do encrypted DVD's right off the bat. I think I had a few other things working once upon a time, but I dont remember much of what I was playing with then. Jay -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- Water, taken in moderation cannot hurt anybody. -- Mark Twain From jay at slushpupie.com Mon Oct 1 20:54:33 2001 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IIS more functional then Apache? In-Reply-To: <20011001133646.G10061@real-time.com> References: <20010930222716.I4979@real-time.com> <20011001054341.B6979@io.stderr.net> <20011001133646.G10061@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011002015550.YMPT14451.femail38.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Would it also be right to say out of the box apache supports CGI, meaning any programming/scripting language already installed on the system? On Monday 01 October 2001 01:36 pm, you wrote: > Quoting Thomas Eibner (thomas@stderr.net): > > On Sun, Sep 30, 2001 at 10:27:16PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > So, what functionality does IIS have that Apache does not have? > > > > ASP out of the box (Active Security Problems anyone?) > > Really? I thought ASP was an add-on. At least I thought in IIS 3.0 you had > to install some sort of new package to get ASP. > > But point taken, out of the box IIS comes with ASP. "Out of the box (off > the ftp site?)" Apache just servers up web content. -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear--not absence of fear. Except a creature be part coward it is not a compliment to say it is brave; it is merely a loose misapplication of the word. Consider the flea!--incomparably the bravest of all the creatures of God, if ignorance of fear were courage. Whether you are asleep or awake he will attack you, caring nothing for the fact that in bulk and strength you are to him as are the massed armies of the earth to a sucking child; he lives both day and night and all days and nights in the very lap of peril and the immediate presence of death, and yet is no more afraid than is the man who walks the streets of a city that was threatened by an earthquake ten centuries before. When we speak of Clive, Nelson, and Putnam as men who "didn't know what fear was," we ought always to add the flea--and put him at the head of the procession. -- Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar" From tl at assimilated.org Mon Oct 1 21:17:34 2001 From: tl at assimilated.org (tim lupfer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISP puzzler In-Reply-To: <20011001143803.49171.qmail@web20601.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010925225918.P27957@ringworld.org> <20011001143803.49171.qmail@web20601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <15289.9150.293349.152045@matilda.assimilated.org> >>>>> "Paul" == Paul Rech writes: Paul> In my ongoing search for the perfect ISP, I chose to go with Paul> TC Internet, mostly based on price. Paul> This appears to have been a mistake. [snip] Wow, this is nothing like the tcinternet that I used a few months ago before I switched to cable. I can't really comment specifically on your troubles, but my setup was the same and I experienced no troubles at all. The two times that I need to contact them, they were prompt in replying (within an hour both times), and connectivity was never an issue. -- ============================================== timothy lupfer http://www.assimilated.org tl@assimilated.org tlupfe01@euclid.hamline.edu ============================================== You will be successful in love. From tl at assimilated.org Mon Oct 1 21:33:01 2001 From: tl at assimilated.org (tim lupfer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mutt problem In-Reply-To: <3BB91055.D3BBF772@tcinternet.net> References: <3BB91055.D3BBF772@tcinternet.net> Message-ID: <15289.10077.200594.451815@matilda.assimilated.org> ### Sender options # Set up sender set envelope_from set realname = "Tim Lupfer" set from = "tl@assimilated.org" set hidden_host = yes set hostname = "assimilated.org" That seems to do the trick for me, I believe 'set envelope_from' is the important part. -Tim -- ============================================== timothy lupfer http://www.assimilated.org tl@assimilated.org tlupfe01@euclid.hamline.edu ============================================== Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first. -- Mark Twain From tl at assimilated.org Mon Oct 1 21:37:08 2001 From: tl at assimilated.org (tim lupfer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mutt problem In-Reply-To: <15289.10077.200594.451815@matilda.assimilated.org> References: <3BB91055.D3BBF772@tcinternet.net> <15289.10077.200594.451815@matilda.assimilated.org> Message-ID: <15289.10324.905427.311559@matilda.assimilated.org> >>>>> "tim" == tim lupfer writes: tim> ### Sender options # Set up sender set envelope_from set tim> realname = "Tim Lupfer" set from = "tl@assimilated.org" set tim> hidden_host = yes set hostname = "assimilated.org" tim> That seems to do the trick for me, I believe 'set tim> envelope_from' is the important part. Oh, I'm pretty sure you can also change the sendmail command to sendmail -f -- ============================================== timothy lupfer http://www.assimilated.org tl@assimilated.org tlupfe01@euclid.hamline.edu ============================================== Day of inquiry. You will be subpoenaed. From uak at tcinternet.net Mon Oct 1 21:58:30 2001 From: uak at tcinternet.net (Ursula A. Kallio) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISP puzzler In-Reply-To: <15289.9150.293349.152045@matilda.assimilated.org> Message-ID: I have to second lupfer. Have had them for 2-3 yrs. w/none of your (Rech) described problems. uak On Mon, 1 Oct 2001, tim lupfer wrote: > Wow, this is nothing like the tcinternet that I used a few months ago From greg at guigeeks.com Mon Oct 1 22:25:51 2001 From: greg at guigeeks.com (Greg Rolling) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cable Modems/Switch/Routers In-Reply-To: <16e.1a73bcf.28e92608@aol.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 30 Sep 2001 AIRPLANEIT@aol.com wrote: > Another question, I am in a roomate situation where two of us will be networked to the cable modem. We plan on buying a switch/router to avoid having to purchase an additional IP address. I will be running Linux, he will be running Windows. Am I going to run into issues trying to connect two operating systems to the same switch? http://www.freesco.com. - -- Greg Rolling GnuPG public key available at http://www.bfhsolutions.com/pubkeys.html "There's no problem we don't have a big enough hammer to fix." - --Pa Rolling -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7uTPGEcEnk+U0Hj8RAu6wAJ9HXW7dpDgyfLdpnJgJzfj4/hze3wCgqeQK XdJM44GqxKRcYO0aDiqIm0U= =8fy7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tanner at real-time.com Mon Oct 1 22:28:34 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISP puzzler In-Reply-To: <20011001143803.49171.qmail@web20601.mail.yahoo.com>; from pauljrech@yahoo.com on Mon, Oct 01, 2001 at 07:38:02AM -0700 References: <20010925225918.P27957@ringworld.org> <20011001143803.49171.qmail@web20601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20011001222834.E18829@real-time.com> Quoting Paul Rech (pauljrech@yahoo.com): > I ping -c 2 and it gets 100% packet loss. > But it does show the ip address of linuxtoday. > So it must be resolving it. What does traceroute give you? > If you have accessible nameservers setup, how > can some sites work fine but others don't? Could be the routes out of the isp, could be their backbone connectivity is full. > I've been using Linux for dial-up since 1933. Wow! I want a refund on my 10-years of linux tee-shirt. They said it all started in 1991! :-) > No mention of supporting Linux on their web page. Maybe you should switch to an ISP that not only supports linux, but loves it. I think there is at least one of them in the twin cities. > I'll probably give them an anuerism if I mention > Linux let alone IP Masquerading. Saying something like that to Real Time support, I think you might actually have people fighting over the support call. We tend to get a little giddy when we have to support linux users. > And I only get voice-mail when I call. > I emailed Friday morning with no response. > I called and left messsages Friday afternoon and this > morning. Still nothing. That's too bad. :-( This is happen to lots of business, not just ISPs. First thing to go when money is tight is support. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Mon Oct 1 22:30:05 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network Admin Job Opening In-Reply-To: <3BB90D6B.C1523DEC@tcinternet.net>; from pauljrech@tcinternet.net on Mon, Oct 01, 2001 at 07:42:19PM -0500 References: <3BB90D6B.C1523DEC@tcinternet.net> Message-ID: <20011001223005.F18829@real-time.com> Quoting Paul Rech (pauljrech@tcinternet.net): > One of the few companies around that provide a pension, matching 401k, full > medical and dental and unlimited sick time. Yes, unlimited. Really. > > One big caveat, they are a Microsoft shop. No UNIX, no Linux. Hmmm, unlimited sick time, microsoft shop. Any connection there? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jpschewe at mtu.net Mon Oct 1 23:11:32 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] executable maps for autofs Message-ID: Anyone played around with these? I'm trying to write a set of maps that works like -host under Solaris since autofs doesn't have support for this option yet. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From tanner at real-time.com Mon Oct 1 23:41:01 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] More search-engine guru stuff Message-ID: <20011001234007.M4979@real-time.com> Looking at the html pipermail generates, I see this: Look here http://www.robotstxt.org/wc/meta-user.html, makes me think this should saying "index,follow". You webmaster gurus care to comment? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Mon Oct 1 23:49:01 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] More search-engine guru stuff In-Reply-To: <20011001234007.M4979@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Mon, Oct 01, 2001 at 11:40:07PM -0500 References: <20011001234007.M4979@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011001234832.N4979@real-time.com> Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com): > Looking at the html pipermail generates, I see this: > > > > Look here http://www.robotstxt.org/wc/meta-user.html, makes me think this > should saying "index,follow". You webmaster gurus care to comment? Ok, instead of telling you what I see, I should ask, this: What needs/should be in each message that is being archived to make the search engines like us better? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From brian.peterson at tcinternet.net Tue Oct 2 00:01:02 2001 From: brian.peterson at tcinternet.net (Brian Peterson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bootable Linux CD with CD-R support? References: Message-ID: <001401c14afe$e0042080$6939a2d1@BrianPeterson> > Anyone know of any other bootable Linux CD's besides Demo Linux that > support CD-R's? The LinuxCare BBC's don't (Not even the latest version) Even though "Make CD-ROM Recovery" at http://mkcdrec.ota.be/ is considered beta it seems to work well. From tanner at real-time.com Tue Oct 2 02:43:01 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kernel.org unreachable? Message-ID: <20011002024240.B10396@real-time.com> 2 days in a row, our local kernel mirror has failed to get updates. Just want to double check. Anyone able to traceroute/ping to filehub.kernel.org? How about www.kernel.org? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From eng at pinenet.com Tue Oct 2 03:26:01 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:53 2005 Subject: Fwd: Re: [TCLUG] Linux controller for fuel cells; progress!.sdm Message-ID: <20011002.8192900@linwin.mshome.net> Sorry for the delay. I'm glad there is interest and talent out there. Another component of the effort is to produce fuels locally. Please check out the following link; http://www.epa.gov/otaq/07-meoh.htm Minnesota has a huge methanol fuel production capability (another process control ap.), the President visited our state promoting fuels development, the US EPA promotes it, and we are entering a war against Saudi expatriots on a battlefield of their choosing. But the Minnesota politicos fight it. The way it works is; the politicos clobber me, claim their new great idea, muster a ton of money, link with big corporations, and hire people like you. After over twenty years in this game, I accept that a scientist advances science: business(wo)men, lawyers, and politicos grab the money and glory. My goal is to prepare the infrastructure and escape with my hide. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 9/21/01, 9:38:26 AM, Daniel Taylor wrote regarding Re: [TCLUG] Linux controller for fuel cells; progress!.sdm: > On Fri, 21 Sep 2001, Rick Engebretson wrote: > > Some top politicos are now urging the Gov to reach out to fuel cell mfrs. > > Ford was mentioned, with a potential billion dollar investment. I > > mentioned this group's talent pool for developing a controller (forgive > > me). > > > > Some serious work is being done on embedded Linux systems. Real mode > > kernels are being used. Most development is focused on small appliances. > > A large process controller would not be so constrained. > > > > My feeling is; > > > > 1) Use protected mode, multitasking Linux PC to "manage" > > > > 2) multiple real mode Linux x86 add-on cards. > > > > Quite a variety of x86 embedded cards exist. Some are complete 486 > > computers on a chip with full I/O, memory, etc., and plug into ISA slots. > > Perhaps DOS could be used for the embedded card? Lot's of questions! > As one of the available embedded Linux programmers on the list, > I really appreciate this. > OpenDOS is a good choice for some embedded systems. But for systems > where a PC104 is acceptable cost wise, Linux provides a better > infrastructure layer. Good proprietary solutions include QNX and > VxWorks. In fact, QNX is pretty much best-of-breed IMO, and worth > the money if you don't mind a proprietary solution. > Specificly WRT your comments above: a single processor of 486/100 > power and efficient software is capable of controlling an amazing > quantity of hardware. For large configurations (say coordinating > the activities of several fuel cells and microturbines) a slightly > more powerful system (say P5/200) capable of running a sophisticated > user interface and dynamic control software may be desirable. > Daniel Taylor From pauljrech at acm.org Tue Oct 2 08:01:12 2001 From: pauljrech at acm.org (Paul Rech) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISP puzzler References: <20010925225918.P27957@ringworld.org> <20011001143803.49171.qmail@web20601.mail.yahoo.com> <15289.9150.293349.152045@matilda.assimilated.org> Message-ID: <3BB997EE.CD93B516@acm.org> tim lupfer wrote: > >>>>> "Paul" == Paul Rech writes: > > Paul> In my ongoing search for the perfect ISP, I chose to go with > Paul> TC Internet, mostly based on price. > > Paul> This appears to have been a mistake. > > [snip] > > Wow, this is nothing like the tcinternet that I used a few months ago > before I switched to cable. I can't really comment specifically on > your troubles, but my setup was the same and I experienced no troubles > at all. The two times that I need to contact them, they were prompt in > replying (within an hour both times), and connectivity was never an issue. I tried to avoid mentioning my OS as long as I could. As soon as they heard that: "We don't support Linux, try the newest version of IE". The guy was nice, but of no help. Thank you, come again. See my reply to Bob T for the traceroute output. > > > -- > ============================================== > timothy lupfer http://www.assimilated.org > tl@assimilated.org tlupfe01@euclid.hamline.edu > ============================================== > > You will be successful in love. > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From pauljrech at acm.org Tue Oct 2 08:04:30 2001 From: pauljrech at acm.org (Paul Rech) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISP puzzler References: <20010925225918.P27957@ringworld.org> <20011001143803.49171.qmail@web20601.mail.yahoo.com> <20011001222834.E18829@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3BB99A6D.82D48264@acm.org> Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Paul Rech (pauljrech@yahoo.com): > > I ping -c 2 and it gets 100% packet loss. > > But it does show the ip address of linuxtoday. > > So it must be resolving it. > > What does traceroute give you? I just ran it and attached them. Looks bad from what little I remember of that command. Too many hops for linuxtoday, I'm guessing. Not sure what the star trib one means. It kept going so I killed it at 24. > > > > If you have accessible nameservers setup, how > > can some sites work fine but others don't? > > Could be the routes out of the isp, could be their backbone connectivity is > full. > > > I've been using Linux for dial-up since 1933. > > Wow! I want a refund on my 10-years of linux tee-shirt. They said it all started > in 1991! :-) I'm sure ot it. Or 1994. I get those two mixed up. I downloaded Slackware to 10inch metal disks (I forgot the name for them, which completely ruins the joke). > > > > No mention of supporting Linux on their web page. > > Maybe you should switch to an ISP that not only supports linux, but loves it. I > think there is at least one of them in the twin cities. I have the application form all filled out. But 4 pages?? And why not Star Office format? > > > > I'll probably give them an anuerism if I mention > > Linux let alone IP Masquerading. > > Saying something like that to Real Time support, I think you might actually have > people fighting over the support call. We tend to get a little giddy when we > have to support linux users. I didn't mention IP Masquerading. I figured I hear the sound of a skull popping out of his mouth, like a Dilbert cartoon. > > > > And I only get voice-mail when I call. > > I emailed Friday morning with no response. > > I called and left messsages Friday afternoon and this > > morning. Still nothing. > > That's too bad. :-( This is happen to lots of business, not just ISPs. First > thing to go when money is tight is support. Someone finally called. Nice guy. But I could hear his head jerk back like he smelled something bad, when I mentioned Linux. TCinternet is out the door. Going with a two-pronged attack of Bitstream and Real-Time. Paul -------------- next part -------------- traceroute to www.startribune.com (132.148.87.40), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 vortex (192.168.0.10) 0.456 ms 0.360 ms 0.269 ms 2 flamingo.tcinternet.net (209.98.157.100) 156.810 ms 159.761 ms 149.890 ms 3 209.98.157.254 (209.98.157.254) 149.999 ms 159.841 ms 149.904 ms 4 208.42.123.250 (208.42.123.250) 149.988 ms 139.855 ms 149.890 ms 5 208.42.123.254 (208.42.123.254) 149.984 ms 149.747 ms 149.955 ms 6 e1-6.c7200-4.border.mpls.visi.com (208.42.50.205) 150.008 ms 149.795 ms 149.912 ms 7 fa4-0-0.core-1.mpls.visi.com (209.98.3.222) 149.991 ms 159.814 ms 149.966 ms 8 sl-gw4-kc-11-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.131.5) 159.960 ms 169.906 ms 179.901 ms 9 sl-bb21-kc-0-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.23.2) 180.026 ms 169.824 ms 169.897 ms 10 sl-gw9-kc-9-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.23.66) 180.080 ms 159.797 ms 159.949 ms 11 sl-stci-1-0.sprintlink.net (160.81.18.162) 180.053 ms 169.794 ms 179.904 ms 12 * * * 13 * * * 14 * * * 15 * * * 16 * * * 17 * * * 18 * * * 19 * * * 20 * * * 21 * * * 22 * * * 23 * * * 24 * * * -------------- next part -------------- traceroute to www.linuxtoday.com (63.236.72.248), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 vortex (192.168.0.10) 1.458 ms 0.332 ms 0.243 ms 2 flamingo.tcinternet.net (209.98.157.100) 176.478 ms 169.809 ms 149.903 ms 3 209.98.157.254 (209.98.157.254) 150.017 ms 169.697 ms 149.922 ms 4 208.42.123.250 (208.42.123.250) 150.003 ms 159.769 ms 149.889 ms 5 208.42.123.254 (208.42.123.254) 150.022 ms 169.756 ms 149.878 ms 6 e1-6.c7200-4.border.mpls.visi.com (208.42.50.205) 150.026 ms 149.773 ms 149.955 ms 7 fa4-0-0.core-1.mpls.visi.com (209.98.3.222) 159.967 ms 149.747 ms * 8 sl-gw4-kc-11-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.131.5) 178.048 ms 159.797 ms 179.872 ms 9 sl-bb20-kc-0-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.23.1) 180.065 ms 169.773 ms 189.854 ms 10 sl-bb20-fw-10-3.sprintlink.net (144.232.9.254) 190.083 ms 189.868 ms 179.917 ms 11 144.232.18.162 (144.232.18.162) 219.988 ms 219.860 ms 219.893 ms 12 dal-core-02.inet.qwest.net (205.171.25.49) 210.085 ms 229.905 ms 219.959 ms 13 dal-core-03.inet.qwest.net (205.171.25.138) 229.988 ms 209.859 ms 199.926 ms 14 iah-core-03.inet.qwest.net (205.171.5.169) 210.046 ms 219.747 ms 209.985 ms 15 iah-core-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.31.5) 210.048 ms 229.811 ms 209.940 ms 16 ewr-core-02.inet.qwest.net (205.171.8.206) 250.109 ms 259.868 ms 239.976 ms 17 ewr-core-03.inet.qwest.net (205.171.17.34) 249.944 ms 259.879 ms 249.899 ms 18 ewr-cntr-02.inet.qwest.net (205.171.17.150) 270.090 ms 249.814 ms 279.988 ms 19 msfc-72.ewr.qwest.net (63.146.100.43) 259.983 ms 249.778 ms 269.984 ms 20 208.45.131.118 (208.45.131.118) 270.042 ms !X 259.832 ms !X * From pauljrech at acm.org Tue Oct 2 08:07:36 2001 From: pauljrech at acm.org (Paul Rech) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mutt problem References: <3BB91055.D3BBF772@tcinternet.net> <15289.10077.200594.451815@matilda.assimilated.org> <15289.10324.905427.311559@matilda.assimilated.org> Message-ID: <3BB99DA6.A4A659F6@acm.org> tim lupfer wrote: > >>>>> "tim" == tim lupfer writes: > > tim> ### Sender options # Set up sender set envelope_from set > tim> realname = "Tim Lupfer" set from = "tl@assimilated.org" set > tim> hidden_host = yes set hostname = "assimilated.org" > > tim> That seems to do the trick for me, I believe 'set > tim> envelope_from' is the important part. > > Oh, I'm pretty sure you can also change the sendmail command to > sendmail -f Would that be the ISP address? example: sendmail -f earthlink.net > > > -- > ============================================== > timothy lupfer http://www.assimilated.org > tl@assimilated.org tlupfe01@euclid.hamline.edu > ============================================== > > Day of inquiry. You will be subpoenaed. > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Tue Oct 2 08:13:01 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kernel.org unreachable? In-Reply-To: <20011002024240.B10396@real-time.com> References: <20011002024240.B10396@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011002081200.A18342@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 02:42:40AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Anyone able to traceroute/ping to filehub.kernel.org? > > How about www.kernel.org? Yes to both. 11(sam) crumley% /usr/sbin/traceroute filehub.kernel.org traceroute to filehub.kernel.org (204.152.189.114), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 ntc-2-rsmx.rswitch.umn.edu (128.101.220.254) 4.113 ms 1.448 ms 1.626 ms 2 tc3x.router.umn.edu (160.94.26.6) 1.468 ms 1.140 ms 2.106 ms 3 tc2x.router.umn.edu (160.94.26.98) 0.959 ms 0.756 ms 5.383 ms 4 qtr-tc2.northernlights.gigapop.net (192.42.152.130) 1.849 ms 1.574 ms 2.495 ms 5 den-edge-20.inet.qwest.net (63.145.65.117) 33.634 ms 33.328 ms 32.283 ms 6 den-core-02.tamerica.net (205.171.16.41) 33.806 ms 40.712 ms 32.371 ms 7 500.POS2-0.GW4.DEN4.ALTER.NET (157.130.172.41) 33.606 ms 33.693 ms 32.714 ms 8 175.at-5-0-0.XR2.SLT4.ALTER.NET (152.63.93.206) 34.215 ms 33.706 ms 33.109 ms 9 178.at-1-0-0.XR2.SLT4.ALTER.NET (152.63.94.106) 43.056 ms 44.507 ms 42.951 ms 10 0.so-0-0-0.TL2.SLT4.ALTER.NET (152.63.9.74) 42.951 ms 42.580 ms 43.211 ms 11 0.so-0-1-0.TL2.SAC1.ALTER.NET (152.63.2.34) 67.738 ms 69.225 ms 67.731 ms 12 0.so-7-0-0.XL2.PAO1.ALTER.NET (152.63.113.21) 71.980 ms 72.488 ms 71.581 ms 13 POS1-0.XR2.PAO1.ALTER.NET (152.63.54.78) 71.627 ms 71.513 ms 71.413 ms 14 188.ATM9-0-0.BR1.PAO1.ALTER.NET (146.188.148.109) 72.622 ms 73.204 ms 72.457 ms 15 paix2.orpa4.unnwo.net (198.32.176.4) 73.083 ms 73.260 ms 72.764 ms 16 pa4b.orpa1.unnwo.net (204.152.184.209) 76.773 ms 73.935 ms 73.993 ms 17 filehub.kernel.org (204.152.189.114) 73.909 ms 73.257 ms 73.742 ms Output for www.kernel.org is the same except for the last hop. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org Cookies are tasty! |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://freesklyarov.org/ From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Oct 2 08:17:01 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kernel.org unreachable? In-Reply-To: <20011002024240.B10396@real-time.com> References: <20011002024240.B10396@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011002081620.D579@ringworld.org> They moved to the ISC. I can reach www.kernel.org fine. Also I can reach filehub fine. * Bob Tanner [011002 02:45]: > 2 days in a row, our local kernel mirror has failed to get updates. > > Just want to double check. > > Anyone able to traceroute/ping to filehub.kernel.org? > > How about www.kernel.org? -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net "History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." - Justice Thurgood Marshall (1989) From doughanson at mediaone.net Tue Oct 2 09:03:01 2001 From: doughanson at mediaone.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mediaone and port 80 Message-ID: <007a01c14b4a$e9873560$eaaf7a81@doug> Does anyone know if Mediaone/ATT is blocking port 80 requests to it's customers? Doug doughanson@mediaone.net "In Your Cubicle No One Can Hear You Scream" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011002/c783e351/attachment.html From sos at zjod.net Tue Oct 2 09:22:01 2001 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mediaone and port 80 In-Reply-To: <007a01c14b4a$e9873560$eaaf7a81@doug> from "Doug Hanson" at Oct 02, 2001 09:02:45 AM Message-ID: <200110021421.f92ELe507037@zjod.net> Doug Hanson wrote: > > Does anyone know if Mediaone/ATT is blocking port 80 requests to it's = > customers? > > > Doug > doughanson@mediaone.net > "In Your Cubicle=20 > No One Can Hear You Scream" Yes, they are. I've moved my http server to a different port'idly, -S From andres at drase.com Tue Oct 2 09:35:08 2001 From: andres at drase.com (Andres Nelson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Mediaone and port 80 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011002092146.01fb0580@popmail.skypoint.com> >Does anyone know if Mediaone/ATT is blocking port 80 requests to it's >customers? I just signed up to get cable from ATT/Mediaone and they are blocking port 80. From nate at techie.com Tue Oct 2 09:38:10 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mediaone and port 80 In-Reply-To: <007a01c14b4a$e9873560$eaaf7a81@doug>; from doughanson@mediaone.net on Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 09:02:45AM -0500 References: <007a01c14b4a$e9873560$eaaf7a81@doug> Message-ID: <20011002093908.A12449@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 09:02:45AM -0500, Doug Hanson wrote: > Does anyone know if Mediaone/ATT is blocking port 80 requests to it's > customers? Yes, the still are. *insert bitter cussing here* Nate From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Oct 2 09:46:01 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bootable Linux CD with CD-R support? In-Reply-To: <001401c14afe$e0042080$6939a2d1@BrianPeterson> Message-ID: > Even though "Make CD-ROM Recovery" at http://mkcdrec.ota.be/ is considered > beta it seems to work well. Definitly looks useful, but the system is hosed already. Don't want to back it up, just get some data and reinstall. DemoLinux 2.0 doesn't support burners in the kernel, but the software is there. > Does trinux or Tom's root boot (http://www.toms.net) come with cdrecord? Nope and Nope. Oh well, I just remembered the computer has a Zip100 drive, so LinuxCare should take care of us. :) Even have it burned to a Mini CD-R. Awww how cute. But if anyone sees a bootable recovery cd-rom that supports burners, let me know. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From Phillip.J.Crump at WellsFargo.COM Tue Oct 2 09:48:01 2001 From: Phillip.J.Crump at WellsFargo.COM (Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mediaone and port 80 Message-ID: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E069B8FC6@msgmsp15.norwest.com> Yep..They Are > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Hanson [SMTP:doughanson@mediaone.net] > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 9:03 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Mediaone and port 80 > > Does anyone know if Mediaone/ATT is blocking port 80 requests to it's > customers? > > > Doug > doughanson@mediaone.net > "In Your Cubicle > No One Can Hear You Scream" From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Oct 2 10:32:01 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mediaone and port 80 In-Reply-To: <20011002093908.A12449@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Nate Straz wrote: > Yes, the still are. *insert bitter cussing here* Please stop *wump*wump* beating *wump*wump* the dead *wump*wump* horse... Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From Ben at WorksCited.Net Tue Oct 2 11:02:01 2001 From: Ben at WorksCited.Net (Ben Stallings) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] redefining block devices Message-ID: <01100210494700.00703@Romana> Hi, folks. My laptop has a hot-swappable drive bay that accommodates a CD-ROM, DVD player, SuperDisk floppy drive, or second battery. Linux recognizes each of these as /dev/hdc. Here's my problem... if I have the CD-ROM (or DVD) drive in the bay at startup and then put in the floppy drive later, I can't mount it RW because hdc definited itself at startup as read-only. The only way I've found to redefine hdc as writeable is to restart linux with the floppy drive in the bay. Is there a better way? --Ben (Yellow Dog Linux 2.0 on a PowerBook G3 Series) From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Oct 2 11:43:07 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bootable Linux CD with CD-R support? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF5D@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> How about tom's root boot, and then just ftp the files off of it, why do you need to burn them? > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) [mailto:zibby+tclug@ringworld.org] > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 9:46 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Bootable Linux CD with CD-R support? > > > > Even though "Make CD-ROM Recovery" at http://mkcdrec.ota.be/ is > > considered beta it seems to work well. > > Definitly looks useful, but the system is hosed already. > Don't want to back it up, just get some data and reinstall. > > DemoLinux 2.0 doesn't support burners in the kernel, but the > software is there. > > > Does trinux or Tom's root boot (http://www.toms.net) come with > > cdrecord? > > Nope and Nope. > > Oh well, I just remembered the computer has a Zip100 drive, > so LinuxCare should take care of us. :) Even have it burned > to a Mini CD-R. Awww how cute. > > But if anyone sees a bootable recovery cd-rom that supports > burners, let me know. > > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org > "We can learn much more from wise words, little > from wisecracks and less from wise guys." > --William Arthur Ward > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From florin at iucha.net Tue Oct 2 11:44:45 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] redefining block devices In-Reply-To: <01100210494700.00703@Romana>; from Ben@workscited.net on Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 10:49:47AM -0500 References: <01100210494700.00703@Romana> Message-ID: <20011002114230.B29349@beaver.iucha.org> On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 10:49:47AM -0500, Ben Stallings wrote: > Hi, folks. My laptop has a hot-swappable drive bay that accommodates a > CD-ROM, DVD player, SuperDisk floppy drive, or second battery. Linux > recognizes each of these as /dev/hdc. > > Here's my problem... if I have the CD-ROM (or DVD) drive in the bay at > startup and then put in the floppy drive later, I can't mount it RW because > hdc definited itself at startup as read-only. The only way I've found to > redefine hdc as writeable is to restart linux with the floppy drive in the > bay. Is there a better way? 1. Do a ls -l /dev/hdc if it doesn't look like brw-rw---- 1 root disk 22, 0 Aug 8 11:05 /dev/hdc do a chmod 660 /dev/hdc 2. What linux distribution are you using, what kernel (uname -a) florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've been using some of the openoffice builds, which are close to the 'staroffice' betas, AFAIK. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From doughanson at mediaone.net Tue Oct 2 12:55:04 2001 From: doughanson at mediaone.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mediaone and port 80 References: Message-ID: <004b01c14b6b$3890c480$eaaf7a81@doug> Man, Excuuuuuse me!! I did not realize this was a prior topic!!!! Just looking for answers to a problem! Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Mediaone and port 80 > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Nate Straz wrote: > > > Yes, the still are. *insert bitter cussing here* > > Please stop > *wump*wump* > beating > *wump*wump* > the dead > *wump*wump* > horse... > > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org > "We can learn much more from wise words, little > from wisecracks and less from wise guys." > --William Arthur Ward > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Oct 2 13:03:00 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mediaone and port 80 In-Reply-To: <004b01c14b6b$3890c480$eaaf7a81@doug>; from doughanson@mediaone.net on Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 12:53:55PM -0500 References: <004b01c14b6b$3890c480$eaaf7a81@doug> Message-ID: <20011002130224.B1502@llama.sistina.com> On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 12:53:55PM -0500, Doug Hanson wrote: >Man, Excuuuuuse me!! I did not realize this was a prior topic!!!! Just >looking for answers to a problem! hehe, welcome to the lug. > >Doug > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 10:31 AM >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Mediaone and port 80 > > >> On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Nate Straz wrote: >> >> > Yes, the still are. *insert bitter cussing here* >> >> Please stop >> *wump*wump* >> beating >> *wump*wump* >> the dead >> *wump*wump* >> horse... >> >> Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org >> "We can learn much more from wise words, little >> from wisecracks and less from wise guys." >> --William Arthur Ward >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, >Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. "In the war against terrorism, there are no rear lines. We're all on the front lines" - William Cohen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011002/748f85f5/attachment.pgp From nate at techie.com Tue Oct 2 13:09:01 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mediaone and port 80 In-Reply-To: <004b01c14b6b$3890c480$eaaf7a81@doug>; from doughanson@mediaone.net on Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 12:53:55PM -0500 References: <004b01c14b6b$3890c480$eaaf7a81@doug> Message-ID: <20011002131009.A22994@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 12:53:55PM -0500, Doug Hanson wrote: > Man, Excuuuuuse me!! I did not realize this was a prior topic!!!! Just > looking for answers to a problem! Go read through the July and August list archives to see the flamewar. I think most of the war is covered in the Code Red related posts. Feel free to start bugging AT&T to open up port 80 again. Nate From tanner at real-time.com Tue Oct 2 13:49:00 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] StarOffice 6.0 Beta In-Reply-To: ; from jima@gimp.damnation.net on Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 12:24:12PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20011002134820.M18829@real-time.com> Quoting jima (jima@gimp.damnation.net): > Has anyone downloaded it yet? Sun's servers are maxed out, and my boss > is whining at me to get it (uhm, the Windows copy, that is). > Thanks in advance. Hmm, cannot even find it. I go to www.sun.com, click on the big o'graphic "A Brigther Star". This takes me to the Software Feature Story. I click on the StarOffice[tm] 6.0 Beta software link and that takes me to the StarOffice 6.0 BETA Get the Software page. I click on High Bandwidth Option, Click on Linux (x86), Takes me to the Sign On Page, Entered my personal ID and password, clicked Log In, Click StarOffice, all that is listed there is 5.2, anyone have the exact url to 6.0? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Tue Oct 2 14:15:05 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] StarOffice 6.0 Beta In-Reply-To: <20011002134820.M18829@real-time.com> References: <20011002134820.M18829@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011002141418.A19830@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 01:48:20PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting jima (jima@gimp.damnation.net): > > Has anyone downloaded it yet? Sun's servers are maxed out, and my boss > > is whining at me to get it (uhm, the Windows copy, that is). > > Thanks in advance. > > Hmm, cannot even find it. > > I go to www.sun.com, click on the big o'graphic "A Brigther Star". This takes me > to the Software Feature Story. I click on the StarOffice[tm] 6.0 Beta software > link and that takes me to the StarOffice 6.0 BETA Get the Software page. I click > on High Bandwidth Option, Click on Linux (x86), Takes me to the Sign On Page, > Entered my personal ID and password, clicked Log In, Click StarOffice, all that > is listed there is 5.2, anyone have the exact url to 6.0? Hmm, it just worked for me. It was slow but I got both Solaris and Linux versions. Here's a temporary mirror. Hopefully Sun won't hunt me down. http://ham.space.umn.edu/crumley/staroffice/ -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org Cookies are tasty! |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://freesklyarov.org/ From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Oct 2 14:17:03 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] StarOffice 6.0 Beta In-Reply-To: <20011002134820.M18829@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting jima (jima@gimp.damnation.net): > > Has anyone downloaded it yet? Sun's servers are maxed out, and my boss > > is whining at me to get it (uhm, the Windows copy, that is). > > Thanks in advance. This doesn't help the Windows folk but it just hit /. (good luck downloading in the next week) and someone posted a mirror: http://vm.pioneeris.net/~ryan/so-6_0-beta-bin-linux-en.bin So did I miss something? I thought Sun gave StarOffice its proper burial and handed it over to the community. -Brian From tanner at real-time.com Tue Oct 2 15:13:00 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki Demos via red-carpet Message-ID: <20011002151233.T18829@real-time.com> Can get Loki Demo's via red-carpet now too. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Oct 2 16:28:00 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] redefining block devices In-Reply-To: <01100210494700.00703@Romana> References: <01100210494700.00703@Romana> Message-ID: <20011002162730.62a16cfd.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Ben Stallings wrote: > > Hi, folks. My laptop has a hot-swappable drive bay that accommodates a > CD-ROM, DVD player, SuperDisk floppy drive, or second battery. Linux > recognizes each of these as /dev/hdc. Heh, at least you're not trying to swap an IDE device with a PCMCIA one or anything. You might try compiling your kernel with IDE CD-ROM and IDE Floppy drivers as modules. It might be possible to unload the ide-cd module and load the ide-floppy module. However, the kernel still might not know that the device there had changed, so some way of kicking the kernel to re-scan the IDE bus is in order, and I have no idea how to do that.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ MS-DOS: celebrating / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ over twenty years of \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) obsolescence [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Don't get me wrong, package managment is great. (go apt!) If I had to compile everything I'd never run linux. But if I want the latest version of something and it's not packaged, I'm not going to whine about it. (debian-kde needs an FAQ: "Where are KDE 2.2 packages for Potato?", "You compiled KDE from source? Can you make debs for me?" and the ever popular "Are there XFree 4.0 packages for Potato?) So hear this plea: next time something you want isn't packaged, take some time to learn about your system and compile it. OK...I think I can finish reading mailing lists now... Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From tl at assimilated.org Tue Oct 2 17:09:01 2001 From: tl at assimilated.org (tim lupfer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mutt problem In-Reply-To: <3BB99DA6.A4A659F6@acm.org> References: <3BB91055.D3BBF772@tcinternet.net> <15289.10077.200594.451815@matilda.assimilated.org> <15289.10324.905427.311559@matilda.assimilated.org> <3BB99DA6.A4A659F6@acm.org> Message-ID: <15290.14770.230952.669208@matilda.assimilated.org> >>>>> "Paul" == Paul Rech writes: Paul> Would that be the ISP address? example: sendmail -f Paul> earthlink.net No, it would be sendmail -f user@host -- ============================================== timothy lupfer http://www.assimilated.org tl@assimilated.org tlupfe01@euclid.hamline.edu ============================================== You shall be rewarded for a dastardly deed. From tl at assimilated.org Tue Oct 2 17:35:01 2001 From: tl at assimilated.org (tim lupfer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:55 2005 Subject: Packaging Rant (Was Re: [TCLUG] Loki Demos via red-carpet) In-Reply-To: References: <20011002151233.T18829@real-time.com> Message-ID: <15290.16334.577838.837640@matilda.assimilated.org> >>>>> "Andy" == Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) writes: Andy> And the big deal is? Pre packaged software is nice, until Andy> you depend on it. There's too much "Oh my god it's not an Andy> rpm? What do I do?" going around. C'mon, how can you mess up Andy> with Loki's installer? [...] This post doesn't seem to be compatible with ultra linuxconf gold w/ text email addons v6.1 platinum, I'm afraid that I can't read it until you resend it in a more appropriate format. -- ============================================== timothy lupfer http://www.assimilated.org tl@assimilated.org tlupfe01@euclid.hamline.edu ============================================== Caution: breathing may be hazardous to your health. From sgrobe at mn.rr.com Tue Oct 2 17:37:01 2001 From: sgrobe at mn.rr.com (steve) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] StarOffice 6.0 Beta References: <20011002134820.M18829@real-time.com> <20011002141418.A19830@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3BBA337A.4070403@mn.rr.com> Nice pipe Mr. Crumley, (that sounds bad, I know) I just downloaded it at 220kB/s, my tax dollars really do something. Anyone who hunts you down for helping them to distribute their software should be, ah, hmm, hunted down. :-P Thanks. Jim Crumley wrote: > > > > Hmm, it just worked for me. It was slow but I got both Solaris > and Linux versions. > > Here's a temporary mirror. Hopefully Sun won't hunt me down. > > http://ham.space.umn.edu/crumley/staroffice/ > > -- The more I know, the more I know I don't know. Confused and confusing since 1966. If I had a nickle for every time I knew I was right and spoke up, I could buy a soda, maybe even two. SG, O.S.D. (Opinionated, Social, Deviate.) From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Oct 2 18:24:08 2001 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott M. Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] StarOffice 6.0 Beta In-Reply-To: <3BBA337A.4070403@mn.rr.com> References: <20011002134820.M18829@real-time.com> <20011002141418.A19830@gordo.space.umn.edu> <3BBA337A.4070403@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <1002064971.25375.0.camel@teela> On Tue, 2001-10-02 at 16:36, steve wrote: > Nice pipe Mr. Crumley, (that sounds bad, I know) I just downloaded it > at 220kB/s, my tax dollars really do something. Anyone who hunts you Actually, better yet that Mediaone/RR has a peering agreement with the university of minnesota, so anyone in cable land has some great connectivity to university hosts. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ irc://irc.openprojects.net/linuxos From sgrobe at mn.rr.com Tue Oct 2 18:36:01 2001 From: sgrobe at mn.rr.com (steve) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:55 2005 Subject: Packaging Rant (Was Re: [TCLUG] Loki Demos via red-carpet) References: Message-ID: <3BBA414E.60102@mn.rr.com> Zibby, deep breaths, good air in, bad air out...repeat. Sit back, do this four thousand, two hundred and sixteen times. You will feel better or you will pass out in which case you will feel nothing for a short time. I/we know that doing a compile isn't really that bad. For those of us that are too stupid (me) or can't get Debian to run on their hardware (me, again) we would like RPM's. Yes, I am running Mandrake 8.1 which does label me as a bit of a pariah/idiot. Here, I learn new things that I can use at work everyday. I thank you for your support but you need to settle down buddy, it's ok. Linux is not just for the geek at heart anymore, learn to live with it. It may even work to your benefit. Sometime in the next five years Microsoft will fall much in the same way that IBM did in the 80's, When it does something will need to fill the void. My guess is that it will be Mac OSX on the desktop and Linux on the server. Windows is flawed, we all know it. Something better has to happen. It will soon. In the mean time, breathe in, breathe out, repeat........cont....... Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > And the big deal is? Pre packaged software is nice, until you depend on > it. There's too much "Oh my god it's not an rpm? What do I do?" going > around. C'mon, how can you mess up with Loki's installer? > > What's so hard about ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/stow/package-version > (stow is my friend!) && make && make install? > > And why would you need Loki demos in red carped other than permotion? Loki > has their own demo installer what will do the same thing for all their > demos, so must be permotion... > > Don't get me wrong, package managment is great. (go apt!) If I had to > compile everything I'd never run linux. But if I want the latest version > of something and it's not packaged, I'm not going to whine about it. > (debian-kde needs an FAQ: "Where are KDE 2.2 packages for Potato?", > "You compiled KDE from source? Can you make debs for me?" and > the ever popular "Are there XFree 4.0 packages for Potato?) > > So hear this plea: next time something you want isn't packaged, take some > time to learn about your system and compile it. > > OK...I think I can finish reading mailing lists now... > > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org > "We can learn much more from wise words, little > from wisecracks and less from wise guys." > --William Arthur Ward > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- The more I know, the more I know I don't know. Confused and confusing since 1966. If I had a nickle for every time I knew I was right and spoke up, I could buy a soda, maybe even two. SG, O.S.D. (Opinionated, Social, Deviate.) From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Oct 2 18:56:02 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loki Demos via red-carpet In-Reply-To: <20011002151233.T18829@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 03:12:33PM -0500 References: <20011002151233.T18829@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011002165603.A760@llama.sistina.com> On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 03:12:33PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: >Can get Loki Demo's via red-carpet now too. they've been apt-get'able for quite some time I think. > >-- >Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 >http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 >Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. "In the war against terrorism, there are no rear lines. We're all on the front lines" - William Cohen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011002/b7fb957d/attachment.pgp From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Oct 2 19:03:01 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:55 2005 Subject: Packaging Rant (Was Re: [TCLUG] Loki Demos via red-carpet) In-Reply-To: <3BBA414E.60102@mn.rr.com>; from sgrobe@mn.rr.com on Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 06:35:58PM -0400 References: <3BBA414E.60102@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <20011002190231.C760@llama.sistina.com> On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 06:35:58PM -0400, steve wrote: >Zibby, deep breaths, good air in, bad air out...repeat. Sit back, do >this four thousand, two hundred and sixteen times. You will feel That wasn't even much of a rant. Wait until sometime I'm having a bad day and listen to me wig out. I've been known to curse every operating system in the office in one breath. But then I haven't had more than 3 consecutive days off in a year and half so perhaps that's my deal. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. "In the war against terrorism, there are no rear lines. We're all on the front lines" - William Cohen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011002/fecbdfbb/attachment.pgp From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Oct 2 19:05:03 2001 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott M. Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:55 2005 Subject: Packaging Rant (Was Re: [TCLUG] Loki Demos via red-carpet) In-Reply-To: <3BBA414E.60102@mn.rr.com> References: <3BBA414E.60102@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <1002067347.25375.6.camel@teela> On Tue, 2001-10-02 at 17:35, steve wrote: > Zibby, deep breaths, good air in, bad air out...repeat. Sit back, do > this four thousand, two hundred and sixteen times. You will feel It's nice to have the bleeding edge packaged, but many package developers are deciding to stay away from bleeding edge because of the enabling of 'user who cant debug' to use their packages. Theres some sort of feeling that 'oh, its packaged! it has to be stable, featurful, and not break my system or im going to go kill them for doing such a horrible thing to me and MY MACHINE' this is a true threat to package developers. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ irc://irc.openprojects.net/linuxos From phil at rephil.org Tue Oct 2 19:12:01 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (phil@rephil.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:55 2005 Subject: Packaging Rant (Was Re: [TCLUG] Loki Demos via red-carpet) In-Reply-To: <3BBA414E.60102@mn.rr.com>; from sgrobe@mn.rr.com on Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 06:35:58PM -0400 References: <3BBA414E.60102@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <20011002191106.A11672@rephil.org> On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 06:35:58PM -0400, steve wrote: > Zibby, deep breaths, good air in, bad air out...repeat. Sit back, do > this four thousand, two hundred and sixteen times. You will feel That's 4096 times, or you'll have a problem with your breath not lining up on a b{y|i}te boundary. Usually your system just hiccoughs, but could be a choking hazard. :) -- I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. From phil at rephil.org Tue Oct 2 19:14:01 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (phil@rephil.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:55 2005 Subject: Packaging Rant (Was Re: [TCLUG] Loki Demos via red-carpet) In-Reply-To: <1002067347.25375.6.camel@teela>; from dieman@ringworld.org on Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 07:02:27PM -0500 References: <3BBA414E.60102@mn.rr.com> <1002067347.25375.6.camel@teela> Message-ID: <20011002191313.B11672@rephil.org> On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 07:02:27PM -0500, Scott M. Dier wrote: > On Tue, 2001-10-02 at 17:35, steve wrote: > > Zibby, deep breaths, good air in, bad air out...repeat. Sit back, do > > this four thousand, two hundred and sixteen times. You will feel > > It's nice to have the bleeding edge packaged, but many package > developers are deciding to stay away from bleeding edge because of the > enabling of 'user who cant debug' to use their packages. Theres some > sort of feeling that 'oh, its packaged! it has to be stable, featurful, > and not break my system or im going to go kill them for doing such a > horrible thing to me and MY MACHINE' > > this is a true threat to package developers. Users have long been considered one of the top threats to developers. -- I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. From doug at northlandstudios.com Tue Oct 2 19:44:00 2001 From: doug at northlandstudios.com (Doug) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:55 2005 Subject: Packaging Rant (Was Re: [TCLUG] Loki Demos via red-carpet) In-Reply-To: <20011002191313.B11672@rephil.org> References: <3BBA414E.60102@mn.rr.com> <1002067347.25375.6.camel@teela> <20011002191313.B11672@rephil.org> Message-ID: <1002069834.5589.23.camel@thor.valhalla> Oh come on guys your all missing the point here I think. Of course pre-packaged Loki demos are for promotion. Keep in mind these guys are basically bankrupt, and a desperate company will do desperate things (remember when amazon was only a bookstore???). It also wouldn't surprise me if ximian is adding things like vmware, codeweavers etc.. because of financial reasons (VC's like to see progress beyond code they can't read I think). And someone wanted to know what was so hard about ./configure etc...? Alot compared to a double click. No it's not hard to do that once you know how, but I guarantee that you'll never get my sister to do that. The very first thing out of her mouth will be "why can't I just double click on it?" If we want linux to be used out there among the masses it will have to be that easy, plain and simple. The IT person certainly should know how to do it, but you'll never get a 7th grade teacher who only cares about checking her email and surfing the web to do that. Yes I'm an IT person, yes I know how to configure and make, and 9 out of 10 times I'll choose an rpm over doing that. Why? 2 reasons, 1) I'm still relatively new to linux and 2) I'm LAZY :-> To me it's kind of like cooking. Sure I can spend time in the kitchen and cook something, but my girlfriend is much much better at it than I, and it tastes better. Just my opinion, not a flame... Doug On Tue, 2001-10-02 at 19:13, phil@rephil.org wrote: On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 07:02:27PM -0500, Scott M. Dier wrote: > On Tue, 2001-10-02 at 17:35, steve wrote: > > Zibby, deep breaths, good air in, bad air out...repeat. Sit back, do > > this four thousand, two hundred and sixteen times. You will feel > > It's nice to have the bleeding edge packaged, but many package > developers are deciding to stay away from bleeding edge because of the > enabling of 'user who cant debug' to use their packages. Theres some > sort of feeling that 'oh, its packaged! it has to be stable, featurful, > and not break my system or im going to go kill them for doing such a > horrible thing to me and MY MACHINE' > > this is a true threat to package developers. Users have long been considered one of the top threats to developers. -- I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011002/00a2be2b/attachment.html From nassarmu at mctc.mnscu.edu Tue Oct 2 20:59:01 2001 From: nassarmu at mctc.mnscu.edu (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] InstallFest anyone? Message-ID: Somebody mentioned the installfest a while back but nothing has come out of it, is anybody working on this? MCTC was mentioned as a good place but with the state workers strike that might not work out too well. Any other places we can go? UofM maybe? -Munir From harvieue at tcfreenet.org Tue Oct 2 21:01:02 2001 From: harvieue at tcfreenet.org (Eric Harvieux) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Terminal Server... In-Reply-To: <3BBA414E.60102@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <20011002205304.T45052-100000@tcfreenet.org> Hey Everyone, The Twin Cities Free-Net (tcfreenet.org) is in need of a Terminal Server for our modem pool. We have one (A "Stallion" or something like that...I just heard about this...) but the people working on it havn't been able to get it to work. Anyone have any leads on where we can get our hands on another Term server, either as a donation or inexpensively? We just need something ASAP so we can move our machine to a new ISP and get a modem pool set up. Thanks, Eric harvieue@tcfreenet.org eric@nerp.net From mike at getbent.net Tue Oct 2 21:26:01 2001 From: mike at getbent.net (Mike Nielsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Tracking down cause of a hard lock Message-ID: <01100221250500.00634@Dingo> Hi there... For the last week or two I'm getting about 2-3 days of uptime before my machine is just lock. Sysrq doesn't work, Numlock goes out, etc. etc. I have been through all the logs and can't find an oops or a panic of anysort. I thought for a while that possible MySQL had something to do with it but I havn't been able to prove that. Doing a bin dump doesn't show any common query being run when the locks happen. My third attempt to "Fix" this problem was upgrading from Slackware 7.1 to Slackware 8.0... However it continues to barf. Most of the hardware is under a year old. I think my floppy drive is used. Dual P3 550 Asus P2b-DS (With the latest bios patches) I'm just about at a loss to tracking down this error, (There doesn't seem to be anything I can do to reproduce it. I have put the machine under and extreme load, compiling several things at once, running Unreal and Xmame at the same time while playing MP3s. I have been able to get my CPU load up to 26-28 and not crash it. Thoughts, comments? -- ----------------------------- |\/|ike@GetBent.net From foeclan at winternet.com Tue Oct 2 21:39:00 2001 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Tracking down cause of a hard lock References: <01100221250500.00634@Dingo> Message-ID: <3BBA7992.7000600@winternet.com> Have you checked the fans to make sure they're all functioning? It could be heat related. Also, were there any power surges or outages or anything that you noticed? A minor component failing from a surge could cause similar symptoms. -- Michael Vieths Email: Foeclan@Winternet.com Web: http://www.geekbear.net Mike Nielsen wrote: > Hi there... > > For the last week or two I'm getting about 2-3 days of uptime before > my machine is just lock. Sysrq doesn't work, Numlock goes out, etc. etc. > > I have been through all the logs and can't find an oops or a panic of anysort. > > Most of the hardware is under a year old. I think my floppy drive is used. > > Dual P3 550 Asus P2b-DS (With the latest bios patches) > From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Oct 2 22:15:10 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:56 2005 Subject: Packaging Rant (Was Re: [TCLUG] Loki Demos via red-carpet) In-Reply-To: <20011002190231.C760@llama.sistina.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: > That wasn't even much of a rant. Wait until sometime I'm having a bad day > and listen to me wig out. I've been known to curse every operating system > in the office in one breath. Hey Ben.. have you tried SO 6.0 yet? :-) -Brian From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Oct 2 22:19:00 2001 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott M. Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:56 2005 Subject: Packaging Rant (Was Re: [TCLUG] Loki Demos via red-carpet) In-Reply-To: <1002069834.5589.23.camel@thor.valhalla> References: <3BBA414E.60102@mn.rr.com> <1002067347.25375.6.camel@teela> <20011002191313.B11672@rephil.org> <1002069834.5589.23.camel@thor.valhalla> Message-ID: <1002079083.25726.6.camel@teela> On Tue, 2001-10-02 at 19:43, Doug wrote: > Oh come on guys your all missing the point here I think. Of course In this case, we aren't. The rant was directed at red-carpet and some of the 'snapshot' things they do, at least from my perspective. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ irc://irc.openprojects.net/linuxos From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Oct 2 22:21:02 2001 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott M. Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Terminal Server... In-Reply-To: <20011002205304.T45052-100000@tcfreenet.org> References: <20011002205304.T45052-100000@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <1002079156.25726.8.camel@teela> On Tue, 2001-10-02 at 20:58, Eric Harvieux wrote: > Hey Everyone, > The Twin Cities Free-Net (tcfreenet.org) is in need of a Terminal Server > for our modem pool. We have one (A "Stallion" or something like that...I Perhaps find a livingston portmaster pm2 or a old Annex system. I might know someone trying to sell a portmaster. I'll ask them about it sometime soon. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ irc://irc.openprojects.net/linuxos From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Oct 2 22:24:00 2001 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott M. Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Meeting Message-ID: <1002079335.25723.13.camel@teela> We are still working out information about a room. The IMA has reserved the room for that weekend that we usually use, so I'm trying to see if one of the rooms nearby will be avaliable (probally will). On the upside, the room I'm trying to get has newer projection equipment and should look a bit nicer if someone needs to do laptop stuff. The procmail guy is still on, correct? Did anyone have a bio on him or info on his book I can write up into a flyer? I need to get this out *soon*. (and I need to get it out closer to a ~week than it has been lately :| But, oh well.) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ irc://irc.openprojects.net/linuxos From blayer at qwest.net Tue Oct 2 22:47:01 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] beermeeting? Message-ID: <20011002224313.0f161e19.blayer@qwest.net> Is there a beermeeting this week? Where is our charming social director Ms. Jacquie? -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From jacque at fruitioninc.com Tue Oct 2 22:59:00 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] beermeeting? In-Reply-To: <20011002224313.0f161e19.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: > > Is there a beermeeting this week? > > Where is our charming social director Ms. Jacquie? > Why, I'm right here and yes, Bill, there is a beermeeting. Do any of the U students know if there are any sports things going on this Thursday? I woulod lke to meet near the U. I was thinking about meeting at Stub and Herbs, but if there's sports stuff, maybe the Town Hall would be better. ~jacque From jacque at fruitioninc.com Tue Oct 2 23:07:01 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] beermeeting? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > I woulod lke to meet near the U. I was thinking about meeting at Stub and > Herbs, but if there's sports stuff, maybe the Town Hall would be better. > Uh, I mean "would like". yeah. From mike at getbent.net Tue Oct 2 23:09:02 2001 From: mike at getbent.net (Mike Nielsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Tracking down cause of a hard lock In-Reply-To: <3BBA7992.7000600@winternet.com> References: <01100221250500.00634@Dingo> <3BBA7992.7000600@winternet.com> Message-ID: <01100223081800.00358@Dingo> Heat isn't an issue. I thought of that, addedd more fans, redid the internal cables. It's currently 88F near the CPUs. (Internal thermometer) Surging shouldn't be a problem It has spent its whole life on an APC 1400 On Tuesday 02 October 2001 21:36, you wrote: > Have you checked the fans to make sure they're all functioning? It > could be heat related. > > Also, were there any power surges or outages or anything that you > noticed? A minor component failing from a surge could cause similar > symptoms. -- ----------------------------- |\/|ike@GetBent.net From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Oct 2 23:16:01 2001 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott M. Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] beermeeting? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1002082451.25721.19.camel@teela> On Tue, 2001-10-02 at 22:49, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > Do any of the U students know if there are any sports things going on this > Thursday? http://events.tc.umn.edu/ should help -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ irc://irc.openprojects.net/linuxos From hans at friedchicken.org Tue Oct 2 23:18:01 2001 From: hans at friedchicken.org (Hans P. Christianson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] beermeeting? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Do you really think I, as a University student, would actually both be a member of the lug list AND know about sporting events? I thought the two were mutually exclusive... --- H. P. Christianson 20 NE Second St. #1005 Minneapolis, MN 55413 (612) 327-6654 hans@friedchicken.org On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > > > > > Is there a beermeeting this week? > > > > Where is our charming social director Ms. Jacquie? > > > Why, I'm right here and yes, Bill, there is a beermeeting. > > Do any of the U students know if there are any sports things going on this > Thursday? > > I woulod lke to meet near the U. I was thinking about meeting at Stub and > Herbs, but if there's sports stuff, maybe the Town Hall would be better. > > > ~jacque > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From nate at techie.com Tue Oct 2 23:28:01 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Tracking down cause of a hard lock In-Reply-To: <01100221250500.00634@Dingo>; from mike@getbent.net on Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 09:25:05PM -0500 References: <01100221250500.00634@Dingo> Message-ID: <20011002232859.D23727@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 09:25:05PM -0500, Mike Nielsen wrote: > For the last week or two I'm getting about 2-3 days of uptime before > my machine is just lock. Sysrq doesn't work, Numlock goes out, etc. etc. You could look into something a little more powerful for debugging. KDB[1] and kernel crash dumps[2] come to mind. The XFS kernels come with KDB. KDB is a just in time debugger. If the system panics, it will fall into the debugger. If the system locks up, try hitting ^A to break into the debugger. Make sure that it is enabled in /proc/sys/kernel/kdb. LKCD will drop a dump file somewhere which you can then poke through using lcrash. lcrash is a post-mortem debugger, which is also a REALLY good learning tool. Also, a serial console is always helpful when debugging a machine. That way you can capture oopsen easily. [1] http://oss.sgi.com/projects/kdb/ [2] http://sf.net/projects/lkcd/ From jacque at fruitioninc.com Tue Oct 2 23:39:00 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] beermeeting! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It looks like there's no sports conflicts, so I'll be seeing you at Stub and Herbs on thursday, 6pm. We'll probably be in the basement. ~j From jacque at fruitioninc.com Tue Oct 2 23:42:01 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] beermeeting? In-Reply-To: <1002082451.25721.19.camel@teela> Message-ID: thanks! > > http://events.tc.umn.edu/ should help > > -- > Scott Dier > http://www.ringworld.org/ irc://irc.openprojects.net/linuxos > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Wed Oct 3 00:16:01 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Terminal Server... In-Reply-To: <20011002205304.T45052-100000@tcfreenet.org>; from harvieue@tcfreenet.org on Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 08:58:05PM -0500 References: <3BBA414E.60102@mn.rr.com> <20011002205304.T45052-100000@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20011003001528.K9713@real-time.com> Quoting Eric Harvieux (harvieue@tcfreenet.org): > Hey Everyone, > The Twin Cities Free-Net (tcfreenet.org) is in need of a Terminal Server > for our modem pool. We have one (A "Stallion" or something like that...I > just heard about this...) but the people working on it havn't been able to > get it to work. > > Anyone have any leads on where we can get our hands on another Term > server, either as a donation or inexpensively? We just need something ASAP so > we can move our machine to a new ISP and get a modem pool set up. I think I have an Annex 16(?) port term server collecting dust. Let me look and see. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From brian.peterson at tcinternet.net Wed Oct 3 00:25:02 2001 From: brian.peterson at tcinternet.net (Brian Peterson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bootable Linux CD with CD-R support? References: Message-ID: <00c801c14bcb$7dc52180$07a6e0d8@BrianPeterson> > > Even though "Make CD-ROM Recovery" at http://mkcdrec.ota.be/ is considered > > beta it seems to work well. > > Definitly looks useful, but the system is hosed already. Don't want to > back it up, just get some data and reinstall. Create the 'mkcdrec' rescue CD on another Linux box. The CD-writer support should be on the rescue CD and then you can easily back up your individual files. From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Oct 3 08:53:00 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] beermeeting? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Hans P. Christianson wrote: > Do you really think I, as a University student, would actually both be a > member of the lug list AND know about sporting events? I thought the two > were mutually exclusive... I think it's genetic. Some are nerds, some are jocks, Really Bad Things happen when they mix. Kinda like matter and anti-matter. -Brian From gabe at msi.umn.edu Wed Oct 3 09:24:01 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] beermeeting? In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Wed, Oct 03, 2001 at 08:52:38AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20011003092324.D25021@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> > > Do you really think I, as a University student, would actually both be a > > member of the lug list AND know about sporting events? I thought the two > > were mutually exclusive... > > I think it's genetic. Some are nerds, some are jocks, Really Bad > Things happen when they mix. Kinda like matter and anti-matter. I know geeks who happen to also be sports fans... It's a scary combo. Me: "So, we're gaming on Sunday, right? No..? What do you mean you're watching the Packer game?!" :) -- Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Wed Oct 3 09:36:01 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] StarOffice 6.0 Beta In-Reply-To: <3BBA337A.4070403@mn.rr.com> References: <20011002134820.M18829@real-time.com> <20011002141418.A19830@gordo.space.umn.edu> <3BBA337A.4070403@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <20011003093454.A20810@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 05:36:58PM -0400, steve wrote: > Nice pipe Mr. Crumley, (that sounds bad, I know) I just downloaded it > at 220kB/s, my tax dollars really do something. Anyone who hunts you > down for helping them to distribute their software should be, ah, hmm, > hunted down. :-P Unforunately, as Nate Straz pointed out to me, I grabbed the wrong binaries :(. I accidentally grabbed the Adabas D Database server (whatever that is). Oh well, that's what I get for setting up a mirror before I had time to install it myself. And now I can't get through for the regular StarOffice package. Oh well. I'll let you know if I ever get the right package downloaded. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org Cookies are tasty! |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://freesklyarov.org/ From nate at techie.com Wed Oct 3 09:47:00 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] beermeeting? In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Wed, Oct 03, 2001 at 08:52:38AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20011003094813.A8553@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Wed, Oct 03, 2001 at 08:52:38AM -0500, Brian wrote: > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Hans P. Christianson wrote: > > Do you really think I, as a University student, would actually both be a > > member of the lug list AND know about sporting events? I thought the two > > were mutually exclusive... > > I think it's genetic. Some are nerds, some are jocks, Really Bad > Things happen when they mix. Kinda like matter and anti-matter. I think that's what happens when geeks are sports _fans_. IMNSHO, really Good Things(tm) happen when geeks are athletes. Nate Runner, Skier, Geek From duncan at sodatrain.com Wed Oct 3 09:51:01 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] courier vs qmail References: <01100210494700.00703@Romana> <20011002162730.62a16cfd.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3BBB25C3.6020704@sodatrain.com> sorry if this is a past topic... i dont want to boil anyones blood again. Im currently a qmail user, been very happy with it. i use it with uw-imap, tcpserver for selective relaying, and squirrelmail for webemail access. I am going to need to be providing some email to other folks, and could run into more complex relaying issues than i am set to handle. Im going to be hosting email for a company, and i can allow their IP from work thru, but as soon as anyone wants to check thier email from home... trouble, unless i can talk them into using webmail. I think (from courier-mta.org) that courier can handle this better, and it comes with many feautres like ldap integration, ssl, imap/pop/webmail as a part of the package. is there any experience in the group with qmail vs courier (the whole pkg). thanks. duncan From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Wed Oct 3 10:52:11 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] StarOffice 6.0 Beta In-Reply-To: <20011003093454.A20810@gordo.space.umn.edu> References: <20011002134820.M18829@real-time.com> <20011002141418.A19830@gordo.space.umn.edu> <3BBA337A.4070403@mn.rr.com> <20011003093454.A20810@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011003105129.B20996@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Wed, Oct 03, 2001 at 09:34:54AM -0500, Jim Crumley wrote: > Oh well. I'll let you know if I ever get the right package > downloaded. Ok, I've got the Linux StarOffice beta now at: http://ham.space.umn.edu/crumley/staroffice/so-6_0-beta-bin-linux-en.bin It even seems like it would install, though I cancelled the install because I have to free up some space on our Linux boxes. Hopefully, I'll be able to get the Sparc version eventually as well. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org Cookies are tasty! |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://freesklyarov.org/ From fish at slava.net Wed Oct 3 11:05:01 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] beermeeting? References: <20011003092324.D25021@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3BBB3681.7060504@slava.net> > > >I know geeks who happen to also be sports fans... It's a scary combo. > I know St. Cloud is kind of a freaky place, but almost all the geeks I knew up there were fans of at least one sport. So to me it isn't all that strange to see someone in a Vikings jersey holding an #include pint glass. I actually offended some fellow geeks by not wanting to watch a football game. I told them I liked hockey and was back in their favor. I have noted, though, the lack of sports talk since I moved down here. I thought maybe grad students were just too busy for sports, but maybe it's just that St. Cloud is messed up in even more ways than I thought. From duncan at sodatrain.com Wed Oct 3 11:10:02 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] beermeeting? References: <20011003092324.D25021@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> <3BBB3681.7060504@slava.net> Message-ID: <3BBB3861.3030906@sodatrain.com> > it's just that St. Cloud is messed up in even more ways than I thought. yep, went to school near there. From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Oct 3 11:11:45 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:58 2005 Subject: Packaging Rant (Was Re: [TCLUG] Loki Demos via red-carpet) In-Reply-To: <1002069834.5589.23.camel@thor.valhalla> Message-ID: > And someone wanted to know what was so hard about ./configure etc...? > Alot compared to a double click. No it's not hard to do that once you > know how, but I guarantee that you'll never get my sister to do that. > The very first thing out of her mouth will be "why can't I just double > click on it?" If we want linux to be used out there among the masses it > will have to be that easy, plain and simple. The IT person certainly > should know how to do it, but you'll never get a 7th grade teacher who > only cares about checking her email and surfing the web to do that. Why can't you double click? Because it's Linux, not windows or Mac. (Some file managers can sorda handle it, but let's not go there...) As it's not Windows or Mac, things are done differently. If linux is going to be reduced to double clicking, maybe we don't want the masses swarming to linux. GUI interface wasn't what brought me to Linux. The point is, it's not hard. No harder than installing a program under DOS. Not all that much harder than installing a program under windows. You just have to use a different input device. Moving someone from Windows/Mac to Linux will have to reflect the change somewhere, else is there really a point in having different operating systems? If you want Linux to behave like windows or mac, run windows or mac. I want Linux to behave like Linux myself. Actually, I want it to behave like Debian, which is why I run Debian. :) Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Oct 3 11:18:01 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] beermeeting? In-Reply-To: <3BBB3681.7060504@slava.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Oct 2001, Lorry wrote: > it's just that St. Cloud is messed up in even more ways than I thought. You have no idea. How long have you lived in St. Cloud? From fish at slava.net Wed Oct 3 11:27:01 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] beermeeting? References: Message-ID: <3BBB3BA3.4010008@slava.net> > > >You have no idea. How long have you lived in St. Cloud? > I lived in St. Cloud for all five of my excruciating years of undergraduate education. I have no love for the town or the school. I have no plans of returning. I moved down here to Minneapolis the day of my last final. :) From jacque at fruitioninc.com Wed Oct 3 11:31:02 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beermeeting October 4th Message-ID: Ok, in case you missed it: This weeks beermeeting will be at Stub and Herbs in "stadium village". Details here: http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting/ Hope to see you there! Jacque From fish at slava.net Wed Oct 3 11:33:03 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] counting words and other woes References: <20011002134820.M18829@real-time.com> <20011002141418.A19830@gordo.space.umn.edu> <3BBA337A.4070403@mn.rr.com> <20011003093454.A20810@gordo.space.umn.edu> <20011003105129.B20996@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3BBB3D2D.5010308@slava.net> I know there is a way to tell how many words are in a text document, but I don't know what it is. Can someone let me know? Also, is there a way to do it from within vi? And lastly, I've been trying to get StarOffice installed for the last 2 months. Should I scrap it and try with this 6.0 beta or keep at it with whatever this is I have? And if I scrap it, do I just delete the files or is there some fancy way of doing it? I've gotten all kinds of interesting error messages and warnings; if you want to know particulars it'll have to wait til I'm done writing my paper that's due tomorrow... which is why the word count is more important to me right now. ;) Lorry From thomas at stderr.net Wed Oct 3 11:40:01 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] counting words and other woes In-Reply-To: <3BBB3D2D.5010308@slava.net>; from fish@slava.net on Wed, Oct 03, 2001 at 11:30:37AM -0500 References: <20011002134820.M18829@real-time.com> <20011002141418.A19830@gordo.space.umn.edu> <3BBA337A.4070403@mn.rr.com> <20011003093454.A20810@gordo.space.umn.edu> <20011003105129.B20996@gordo.space.umn.edu> <3BBB3D2D.5010308@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011003183938.N30076@io.stderr.net> On Wed, Oct 03, 2001 at 11:30:37AM -0500, Lorry wrote: > I know there is a way to tell how many words are in a text document, but > I don't know what it is. Can someone let me know? Also, is there a way > to do it from within vi? The command you're looking for is 'wc'. I haven't got any idea how you do it from inside vi. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Oct 3 11:45:17 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] counting words and other woes Message-ID: There may be a more vi (or vim/vile/elvis/...) way to do it, but this come to mind. Save the current doc: :w and then run 'wc' in a subshell: :! wc -w name-of-your-file.txt and it should tell you what you want to know. Good luck, Troy >>> fish@slava.net 10/03/01 11:30AM >>> I know there is a way to tell how many words are in a text document, but I don't know what it is. Can someone let me know? Also, is there a way to do it from within vi? And lastly, I've been trying to get StarOffice installed for the last 2 months. Should I scrap it and try with this 6.0 beta or keep at it with whatever this is I have? And if I scrap it, do I just delete the files or is there some fancy way of doing it? I've gotten all kinds of interesting error messages and warnings; if you want to know particulars it'll have to wait til I'm done writing my paper that's due tomorrow... which is why the word count is more important to me right now. ;) Lorry _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jacque at fruitioninc.com Wed Oct 3 11:47:01 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beermeeting October 4th Message-ID: Ok, in case you missed it: This weeks beermeeting will be at Stub and Herbs in "stadium village". Details here: http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting/ Hope to see you there! Jacque _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From ben at nerp.net Wed Oct 3 11:49:08 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Terminal Server... In-Reply-To: <20011003001528.K9713@real-time.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- while you're at it.. you should just move the whole TCFreenet to real-time :) Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Wed, 3 Oct 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Eric Harvieux (harvieue@tcfreenet.org): > > Hey Everyone, > > The Twin Cities Free-Net (tcfreenet.org) is in need of a Terminal Server > > for our modem pool. We have one (A "Stallion" or something like that...I > > just heard about this...) but the people working on it havn't been able to > > get it to work. > > > > Anyone have any leads on where we can get our hands on another Term > > server, either as a donation or inexpensively? We just need something ASAP so > > we can move our machine to a new ISP and get a modem pool set up. > > I think I have an Annex 16(?) port term server collecting dust. Let me look and > see. > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBO7tBestpDhsSpvgtAQG3vwQAqntQAixPaPc4MVb+HOObJIpoy/j0HyND yP35SoQdLyYwtgA3J93ju0fOnWHw2JmrRtjlGEBJoKxMwu8u8n6VNSONKeNaC8pK Q9K6ocLjEaSyJoNPcgnhu9HgmBFSvMW2aX47aTUQ3JMfB17dGhPTL0NCbv/9EK9+ bIIPKs7y5ZY= =x80+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ben at nerp.net Wed Oct 3 11:50:50 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beermeeting October 4th In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- yay.. someplace I can walk to from work :) - -ben "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Wed, 3 Oct 2001, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > Ok, in case you missed it: > > This weeks beermeeting will be at Stub and Herbs in "stadium village". > > Details here: http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting/ > > Hope to see you there! > > > Jacque > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBO7tBGstpDhsSpvgtAQGmLQP6A0Ydm098B1zkplzZmNoOtgbVj71bpD04 mQLHZLlrW6bkDuZsnMw0la8nkzpS9lCZA0SFvm8/T7KYkoOnZWwYqqj5QvBli6U4 pU2L6+mGDF1xkGEwspsVPluWyKBIzkQXRy3fy9b/ixRLVp4h8jY1EWu8pQyDCSq8 cyhf0KIyD8c= =eCAW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From chrome at real-time.com Wed Oct 3 12:05:01 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] beermeeting! In-Reply-To: ; from jacque@fruitioninc.com on Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 11:29:37PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20011003120407.F26578@real-time.com> > It looks like there's no sports conflicts, so I'll be seeing you at Stub and > Herbs on thursday, 6pm. We'll probably be in the basement. anyone have advice on where to park? last I heard (couple of weeks ago); the parking lot by there, was all torn up for construction. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Wed Oct 3 12:10:02 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] counting words and other woes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Troy.A Johnson |Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 11:41 AM |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org |Subject: Re: [TCLUG] counting words and other woes | | |There may be a more vi (or vim/vile/elvis/...) way to do it, |but this come to mind. Save the current doc: | | :w | |and then run 'wc' in a subshell: | | :! wc -w name-of-your-file.txt | |and it should tell you what you want to know. | |Good luck, | |Troy | |>>> fish@slava.net 10/03/01 11:30AM >>> |I know there is a way to tell how many words are in a text document, but |I don't know what it is. Can someone let me know? Also, is there a way |to do it from within vi? Did a search of O'Reilly's Unix CD Bookshelf version of Learning the vi editor (6th Edition), and it doesn't have anything. Troy's idea was what came to my mind initially, the other possibility is when you first load a file it tells you the total number of characters and lines. The average word is 5 characters long, so you could do a quick calculation on that :( From jacque at fruitioninc.com Wed Oct 3 12:21:01 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] beermeeting - parking In-Reply-To: <20011003120407.F26578@real-time.com> Message-ID: you can park in the Oak street ramp, about a block south of university. From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Wed Oct 3 12:23:01 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Reclaiming the Public Domain Lecture Message-ID: <20011003122220.B21735@gordo.space.umn.edu> As most of you know, Russian programmer Dmitry Sklyarov has been charged with a crime under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) for breaking the encryption on Adobe e-books. As a way of informing the public on the problems of the DMCA two (overlapping :)) groups, DMCA-Minnesota [1] and the newly formed Students for Fair Copyright [2] are sponsoring a lecture series called Reclaiming the Public Domain [1]. The first lecture in that series is being given by University of Minnesota Law Professor Dan Burk on Thursday, October 4 at 7 pm Room 124 of Amundson Hall [3] on the east bank campus of the U. Professor Burk is an expert in the area of intellectual property and he filed an amicus brief in the DeCSS/2600 case challenging the constitutionality of the DMCA. He will be speaking on the anti-circumvention provisions of the DMCA, and explain why these provisions pose constitutional problems. Later lectures in the series scheduled so far are: * October 17: John Logie of the University of Minnesota's Department of Rhetoric. * November 8: Bruce Schneier of Counterpane Internet Security, author of Secrets and Lies: Digital Security in a Networked World and also Amicus Curiae in Universal et. al. v. Corley et. al. Anyway, the scheduling works out OK with respect to the beer meeting, since you can have a few at Stub and Herbs at 6 and then walk over to the lecture at 7 ;). 1. http://www.underwhelm.org/ 2. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairCopyright 3. http://onestop.umn.edu/Maps/AmundH/index.html -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org Cookies are tasty! |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://freesklyarov.org/ From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Oct 3 12:41:01 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Reclaiming the Public Domain Lecture Message-ID: This sound Great! Can you just show up? >>> crumley@belka.space.umn.edu 10/03/01 12:22PM >>> As most of you know, Russian programmer Dmitry Sklyarov has been charged with a crime under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) for breaking the encryption on Adobe e-books. As a way of informing the public on the problems of the DMCA two (overlapping :)) groups, DMCA-Minnesota [1] and the newly formed Students for Fair Copyright [2] are sponsoring a lecture series called Reclaiming the Public Domain [1]. The first lecture in that series is being given by University of Minnesota Law Professor Dan Burk on Thursday, October 4 at 7 pm Room 124 of Amundson Hall [3] on the east bank campus of the U. Professor Burk is an expert in the area of intellectual property and he filed an amicus brief in the DeCSS/2600 case challenging the constitutionality of the DMCA. He will be speaking on the anti-circumvention provisions of the DMCA, and explain why these provisions pose constitutional problems. Later lectures in the series scheduled so far are: * October 17: John Logie of the University of Minnesota's Department of Rhetoric. * November 8: Bruce Schneier of Counterpane Internet Security, author of Secrets and Lies: Digital Security in a Networked World and also Amicus Curiae in Universal et. al. v. Corley et. al. Anyway, the scheduling works out OK with respect to the beer meeting, since you can have a few at Stub and Herbs at 6 and then walk over to the lecture at 7 ;). 1. http://www.underwhelm.org/ 2. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairCopyright 3. http://onestop.umn.edu/Maps/AmundH/index.html -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org Cookies are tasty! |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://freesklyarov.org/ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Wed Oct 3 12:57:01 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Reclaiming the Public Domain Lecture In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011003125610.A21897@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Wed, Oct 03, 2001 at 12:39:46PM -0500, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > This sound Great! > > Can you just show up? Yes, please do! Its open to the public. If you want to help out for the later lectures there should be info at the links I included in the other message. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org Cookies are tasty! |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://freesklyarov.org/ From nate at techie.com Wed Oct 3 14:05:01 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] counting words and other woes In-Reply-To: ; from troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us on Wed, Oct 03, 2001 at 11:41:28AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20011003140549.A26566@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Wed, Oct 03, 2001 at 11:41:28AM -0500, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > and then run 'wc' in a subshell: > > :! wc -w name-of-your-file.txt This can be generalized to: :! wc -w % Nate From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Oct 3 14:21:01 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] counting words and other woes Message-ID: Thank you! >>> nate@techie.com 10/03/01 02:05PM >>> >On Wed, Oct 03, 2001 at 11:41:28AM -0500, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > and then run 'wc' in a subshell: > :! wc -w name-of-your-file.txt This can be generalized to: :! wc -w % From ssinn at qwest.net Wed Oct 3 15:18:01 2001 From: ssinn at qwest.net (Spencer J Sinn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 In-Reply-To: <20010930124704.584b630e.blayer@qwest.net>; from blayer@qwest.net on Sun, Sep 30, 2001 at 12:47:04PM -0500 References: <20010930111059.A14181@thor> <20010930124704.584b630e.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20011003151607.A16111@thor> By connecting to the router with *just* the management cable, I get the *hello! prompt. It then goes to check the CBOS which seems alright. The initialization fails when it checks for the custom config flash. The only commands it is recognizing are *reboot *stats and *quit. These commands return a string of hex characters. I may have to try hot-swapping the flash chip. Any words of advice? On Sun, Sep 30, 2001 at 12:47:04PM -0500, Bill Layer wrote: > Ugly.. I have a 678 here that is also b0rked from a bad upgrade ala Qwest > technical support. > > Can you get any kind of response from it, if you have the serial > management cable hooked up? If so, we can probably boot it to the ROM > monitor and recover. Else, you are in rough shape. > > I do have an additional suggestion; open the 675 up (the screws are hidden > beneath the rubber stick-on feet) and look to see if the flash memory chip > is socketed.. if it is, we can try a little hot-plug black magic. It might > be possible to boot it with a flash chip from a good unit (mine, for > instance) then pull the flash chip out, plug your corrupt flash chip in > and run a CBOS flash upgrade. This *does* work with PC BIOS chips, I see > no reason it would not work with a sockect flash memory in a 675. > > Hoping, > > > -.bill.layer.- > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Thanks, Spencer J Sinn From natecars at real-time.com Wed Oct 3 15:36:01 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 In-Reply-To: <20011003151607.A16111@thor> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Oct 2001, Spencer J Sinn wrote: > By connecting to the router with *just* the management cable, I get the *hello! prompt. > It then goes to check the CBOS which seems alright. The initialization fails when it > checks for the custom config flash. The only commands it is recognizing are *reboot > *stats and *quit. These commands return a string of hex characters. > I may have to try hot-swapping the flash chip. Any words of advice? When it says 'Hello!', hit ctrl-c to enter debug mode, and manually upload a new CBOS image to it. If you don't know how to do this, I can dig up the URL's for you. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From duncan at sodatrain.com Wed Oct 3 16:14:00 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Fwd: Proposed Legislation Significantly Affecting Computer Profession (73751)] Message-ID: <3BBB7F80.8050800@sodatrain.com> this just came accrost the ~wire~ -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: board-enotify@usenix.org Subject: Proposed Legislation Significantly Affecting Computer Profession (73751) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 14:03:56 -0700 (PDT) Size: 2433 Url: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011003/c9cd621f/ProposedLegislationSignificantlyAffectingComputerProfession73751.mht From blayer at qwest.net Wed Oct 3 16:46:01 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 In-Reply-To: References: <20011003151607.A16111@thor> Message-ID: <20011003164149.27b2a878.blayer@qwest.net> Howdy, On or about Wed, 3 Oct 2001 15:35:16 -0500 (CDT) Nate Carlson reportedly said... > On Wed, 3 Oct 2001, Spencer J Sinn wrote: > > By connecting to the router with *just* the management cable, I get the *hello! prompt. > When it says 'Hello!', hit ctrl-c to enter debug mode, and manually > upload a new CBOS image to it. If you don't know how to do this, I can dig > up the URL's for you. :) The Hello! is a very good sign, it sounds like there is enough of it there for the ROM monitor to still be working. If Nate knows the drill to upload a new image, I'd follow his instructions. I think you are lucky ;) -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From drake+tclug at lemongecko.org Wed Oct 3 18:02:00 2001 From: drake+tclug at lemongecko.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Microsoft's IIS security improvements Message-ID: <20011003175805.A23507@lemongecko.org> From the Yahoo article that Slashdot listed: "In coming months Microsoft plans to offer a free online service that will notify customers of security vulnerabilities and automatically download the fixes." Can you say * debian security announcement mailing list * security.debian.org in your sources.list ?? This is "innovation"? Perhaps I'm missing something. (I am glad, though, that M$ is doing *something* about their buggy web server -- I'm getting sick of seeing my apache logs full of Code Red and Nimda crap) Dan -- | 4699 BDCB B1A5 28B6 7F8A F8DF EB6A BC2A B0A1 99BF (GPG) | Dan Drake | http://lemongecko.org/drake/ | Twin Cities Linux Users Group - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011003/58e54418/attachment.pgp From fish at slava.net Wed Oct 3 18:32:00 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:59 2005 Subject: StarOffice (was Re: [TCLUG] counting words and other woes) References: Message-ID: <3BBB9F50.7020607@slava.net> Thank you!! Now that I have my paper written, is there some quick and easy way to get my star office working? Word isn't letting me do a %$#& thing - everything I try to do, even "Save", I get "Word doesn't have enough memory..." Grrr. When I try to run soffice, depending on the directory, it says there is no such thing (though an ls shows soffice there) or it takes me to a setup program that says it can't find a certain file and when I click "repair" I get a bunch of "error writing such and such to blah blah directory" messages. I am thinking I should just delete all these 5.2 files and start over with 6.0?? Is that ok? I am used to Windows where you can't just delete files, so I want to make sure this is ok before I do it... Thanks! Lorry From dieman at ringworld.org Wed Oct 3 18:35:02 2001 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott M. Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Reclaiming the Public Domain Lecture In-Reply-To: <20011003125610.A21897@gordo.space.umn.edu> References: <20011003125610.A21897@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <1002152035.8843.3.camel@teela> On Wed, 2001-10-03 at 12:56, Jim Crumley wrote: > On Wed, Oct 03, 2001 at 12:39:46PM -0500, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > > This sound Great! > > > > Can you just show up? > > Yes, please do! Its open to the public. > > If you want to help out for the later lectures there should > be info at the links I included in the other message. > Perhaps at these presentations there should be a petition setup for people who want to make a statement to elected congresscritters against the dmca/sssca/etc. I would put the ATA in too, but it isn't really copyright. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ irc://irc.openprojects.net/linuxos From mkroska at sirgo.net Wed Oct 3 19:14:00 2001 From: mkroska at sirgo.net (Mark Kroska) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Terminal Server... In-Reply-To: <20011002205304.T45052-100000@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: We've got an extra Portmaster PM2e-30 that could go for "near-Ebay" price, if you haven't found a solution already. There are several models available now too if you are looking for digital (PRI) models too: http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&ht=1&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&query=portmaster Email me off-list if you are interested. MK On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Eric Harvieux wrote: > Hey Everyone, > The Twin Cities Free-Net (tcfreenet.org) is in need of a Terminal Server > for our modem pool. We have one (A "Stallion" or something like that...I > just heard about this...) but the people working on it havn't been able to > get it to work. > > Anyone have any leads on where we can get our hands on another Term > server, either as a donation or inexpensively? We just need something ASAP so > we can move our machine to a new ISP and get a modem pool set up. > > Thanks, > Eric > harvieue@tcfreenet.org > eric@nerp.net > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- ___________________________________________________________ Sirgo, Inc. A member of the KDV Business Solutions Network ___________________________________________________________ Mark J. Kroska MIS Director 320.656.0765 Voice 888.447.3239 Toll Free 320.203.7052 Fax http://www.readynetgo.com mailto:mkroska@sirgo.net ___________________________________________________________ From hans at friedchicken.org Wed Oct 3 20:49:01 2001 From: hans at friedchicken.org (Hans P. Christianson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] beermeeting! In-Reply-To: <20011003120407.F26578@real-time.com> Message-ID: You absolutely DID NOT hear this from me, but you can park in the Enrica Fish parking lot across Washington and no one will tow you (at least, they didn't as of nine months ago when I worked around there). The lot is like a driveway between Enrica Fish and the Navy recruitment office. --- H. P. Christianson 20 NE Second St. #1005 Minneapolis, MN 55413 (612) 327-6654 hans@friedchicken.org On Wed, 3 Oct 2001, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > It looks like there's no sports conflicts, so I'll be seeing you at Stub and > > Herbs on thursday, 6pm. We'll probably be in the basement. > > anyone have advice on where to park? last I heard (couple of weeks ago); the > parking lot by there, was all torn up for construction. > > Carl Soderstrom > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Wed Oct 3 21:07:00 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [mgalgoci@redhat.com: ADMIN: 7.2 update] Message-ID: <20011003210640.A5508@real-time.com> FYI. Redhat 7.2 ready to roll-out! ----- Forwarded message from Matthew Galgoci ----- > Hi Folks, > > I have 7.2 staged and ready to go out, but I am going to hold off on > pushing it until tomorrow (10-04-2001/US). I will send out mail before > I do so. > > Disk usage is the following: > > # du -ks 7.2/ > 8187284 7.2 > > This is before hardlinking. We should save about 1.2GB by hardlinking since > the bulk of the duplicate files are from the japanese install tree. > > Matt > ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Oct 3 21:13:01 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Old tapes, what do you do with them? Message-ID: <20011003211159.B5508@real-time.com> I have a large collection of old tapes, ie ones that have been stretched beyond working condition, ate by tape drives, etc. What do you other admins do with this stuff? Since, there -IS- sensitive data on them, I don't want to just throw them into the garbage. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Oct 3 21:20:01 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Old tapes, what do you do with them? In-Reply-To: <20011003211159.B5508@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hey, On Wed, 3 Oct 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > What do you other admins do with this stuff? Personally I like burning them. But then I just like burning stuff in general. Barring that you might try a bulk eraser or a microwave. I'm sure there are Data Disposal Services out there. -Yaron -- From drew at usfamily.net Wed Oct 3 21:30:01 2001 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Old tapes, what do you do with them? References: <20011003211159.B5508@real-time.com> Message-ID: <00b601c14c7b$f7470680$707c1acc@andrewne> Make stremers out of them and attach them to the back of your car. They will look cool when you drive down the freeway. ____________________________________________________ If what I say offends you then it was probably meant to do so Andrew Nemchenko drew@usfamily.net Home: 651-681-8572 Work: 952-932-4081 Pager: 612-264-1737 http://www.kuzmich.cjb.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Tanner To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 9:11 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Old tapes, what do you do with them? > I have a large collection of old tapes, ie ones that have been stretched beyond > working condition, ate by tape drives, etc. > > What do you other admins do with this stuff? > > Since, there -IS- sensitive data on them, I don't want to just throw them into > the garbage. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ From jay at slushpupie.com Wed Oct 3 21:34:00 2001 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Old tapes, what do you do with them? In-Reply-To: <20011003211159.B5508@real-time.com> References: <20011003211159.B5508@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011004023345.TQTC10893.femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Pull all the tape out of the casstes and use it for streamers at a party, and for the giftwrap. Works particularly well for 40th and 50th birthday parties. On Wednesday 03 October 2001 09:11 pm, you wrote: > I have a large collection of old tapes, ie ones that have been stretched > beyond working condition, ate by tape drives, etc. > > What do you other admins do with this stuff? > > Since, there -IS- sensitive data on them, I don't want to just throw them > into the garbage. -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- Q: How do you play religious roulette? A: You stand around in a circle and blaspheme and see who gets struck by lightning first. From drew at usfamily.net Wed Oct 3 21:42:01 2001 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Old tapes, what do you do with them? References: <20011003211159.B5508@real-time.com> Message-ID: <00ba01c14c7c$1c2c3740$707c1acc@andrewne> On a more serious note, simply get your self a large electric magnet, pass the tapes next to it and then you can throw them away. ____________________________________________________ If what I say offends you then it was probably meant to do so Andrew Nemchenko drew@usfamily.net Home: 651-681-8572 Work: 952-932-4081 Pager: 612-264-1737 http://www.kuzmich.cjb.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Tanner To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 9:11 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Old tapes, what do you do with them? > I have a large collection of old tapes, ie ones that have been stretched beyond > working condition, ate by tape drives, etc. > > What do you other admins do with this stuff? > > Since, there -IS- sensitive data on them, I don't want to just throw them into > the garbage. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ From clay at fandre.com Wed Oct 3 22:25:02 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] InstallFest anyone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011003222433.E752@fandre.com> Are you volunteering to help? I've been too busy with personal things (IE job, life) to really spend time on this. I can use all the help I can get. -- Clay On Tue, 02 Oct 2001, Munir Nassar wrote: > Somebody mentioned the installfest a while back but nothing has come out of it, is anybody working on this? > > MCTC was mentioned as a good place but with the state workers strike that might not work out too well. Any other places we can go? UofM maybe? > > -Munir > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Ben at WorksCited.Net Wed Oct 3 23:15:02 2001 From: Ben at WorksCited.Net (Ben Stallings) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] redefining block devices In-Reply-To: <20011002114230.B29349@beaver.iucha.org> References: <01100210494700.00703@Romana> <20011002114230.B29349@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <01100309015402.01592@Romana> On Tuesday 02 October 2001 11:42, you wrote: > On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 10:49:47AM -0500, Ben Stallings wrote: > > Here's my problem... if I have the CD-ROM (or DVD) drive in the bay at > > startup and then put in the floppy drive later, I can't mount it RW > > because hdc definited itself at startup as read-only. The only way I've > > found to redefine hdc as writeable is to restart linux with the floppy > > drive in the bay. Is there a better way? > > 1. Do a > ls -l /dev/hdc > > if it doesn't look like > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 22, 0 Aug 8 11:05 /dev/hdc > > do a > chmod 660 /dev/hdc Tried that, first thing when I was told the device was "write-protected." (I put this in quotes because I hadn't seen Linux call something "write-protected" before, just read-only or unwritable.) The same error message occurred after doing the chmod, even though /dev/hdc was then listed as rw. > 2. What linux distribution are you using, what kernel (uname -a) Yellow Dog 2.0 is my distribution, 2.2.19-1i is my kernel. Mike Hick suggested recompiling the kernel with the IDE Floppy driver module. Unless I'm mistaken, this is not an IDE or SCSI connection, but a proprietary Apple interface. I was pleased that Yellow Dog recognized it at all, let alone allowed me to hot-swap drives. But being able to write to floppies is important sometimes, so I figured I'd ask. --Ben From nassarmu at mctc.mnscu.edu Thu Oct 4 01:05:01 2001 From: nassarmu at mctc.mnscu.edu (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] InstallFest anyone? Message-ID: I suppose I am, Just let me know what you need done and I'll see what I can do about it! Email me off list at m_nassar@yahoo.com. I cannot promise anything but i will do my best! -munir >>> Clay Fandre 10/03/01 23:03 PM >>> Are you volunteering to help? I've been too busy with personal things (IE job, life) to really spend time on this. I can use all the help I can get. -- Clay On Tue, 02 Oct 2001, Munir Nassar wrote: > Somebody mentioned the installfest a while back but nothing has come out of it, is anybody working on this? > > MCTC was mentioned as a good place but with the state workers strike that might not work out too well. Any other places we can go? UofM maybe? > > -Munir > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Thu Oct 4 01:27:01 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Terminal Server... In-Reply-To: ; from ben@nerp.net on Wed, Oct 03, 2001 at 11:48:56AM -0500 References: <20011003001528.K9713@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011004012644.E11041@real-time.com> Quoting Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net): > while you're at it.. you should just move the whole TCFreenet to real-time > :) Where is it located now? > > Quoting Eric Harvieux (harvieue@tcfreenet.org): > > > Hey Everyone, > > > The Twin Cities Free-Net (tcfreenet.org) is in need of a Terminal Server > > I think I have an Annex 16(?) port term server collecting dust. Let me look > > and see. Yep, I got an Annex, but I can't seem to find the control software for it. Without the control software it's just, hmm, crap. :-) I've got a box of drink coasters at the office, might have thrown the CD into that, I'll have to check tommorow. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Oct 4 01:29:01 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Old tapes, what do you do with them? In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Wed, Oct 03, 2001 at 09:18:59PM -0500 References: <20011003211159.B5508@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011004012822.F11041@real-time.com> Quoting Yaron (jethro@freakzilla.com): > > What do you other admins do with this stuff? > > Personally I like burning them. But then I just like burning stuff in > general. Barring that you might try a bulk eraser or a microwave. I'm sure > there are Data Disposal Services out there. That's an idea, TCLUG lighters for a new promo item. :-P -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Oct 4 01:33:01 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ReiserFS vs ext3 for Squid Server Message-ID: <20011004013232.G11041@real-time.com> So, after being properly put in my place about benchmarks, wouldn't you know it. Nate puts up a squid server for us to play with. As an aside, it rocks. :-) I love updating a box via red-carpet and only getting 5K/s for the first box, but then a kick-ass (almost) 100Mb/s for every other box (ok, it's a lot less then 100Mb/s, but I need someone to re-inflate my ego). Anyways, the cache area is ext2, there was talk about ReiserFS being good for this stuff. How about ext3? Any comments, benchmarks, etc? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Oct 4 01:42:00 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] +1 spammers, -1 MAPS Message-ID: <20011004014101.H11041@real-time.com> I've expressed my opinion about MAPS in the past. After reading this announcement, I'm glad I'm not paying for MAPS services: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/011003/law118_1.html I mean, they want my money to keep spam off my network. Ok, they have the best blacklist on the 'net, but -now-, they still get my money AND a huge spammer cannot be blacklisted! -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Oct 4 08:58:00 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [mgalgoci@redhat.com: ADMIN: 7.2 update] In-Reply-To: <20011003210640.A5508@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Oct 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > FYI. > > Redhat 7.2 ready to roll-out! ooooohhhhh... How long til Real Time has it mirrored? -Brian From harvieue at tcfreenet.org Thu Oct 4 09:09:00 2001 From: harvieue at tcfreenet.org (Eric Harvieux) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Terminal Server... In-Reply-To: <20011004012644.E11041@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011004090454.T83493-100000@tcfreenet.org> tcfreenet is at Iaxis right now...it's moving to visi. -Eric On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net): > > while you're at it.. you should just move the whole TCFreenet to real-time > > :) > > Where is it located now? > > > > Quoting Eric Harvieux (harvieue@tcfreenet.org): > > > > Hey Everyone, > > > > The Twin Cities Free-Net (tcfreenet.org) is in need of a Terminal Server > > > > I think I have an Annex 16(?) port term server collecting dust. Let me look > > > and see. > > Yep, I got an Annex, but I can't seem to find the control software for it. > Without the control software it's just, hmm, crap. :-) I've got a box of drink > coasters at the office, might have thrown the CD into that, I'll have to check > tommorow. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From harvieue at tcfreenet.org Thu Oct 4 09:29:00 2001 From: harvieue at tcfreenet.org (Eric Harvieux) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Terminal Server... In-Reply-To: <20011004012644.E11041@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011004092419.Y83922-100000@tcfreenet.org> I think I actually found a tarball with the control software... ftp://ftp-support.baynetworks.com/pub/swcode/remacc/microannex_xl/R10.0B-R2.3.tar.Z Not sure if this is the software correct product tho... :-/ -Eric On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Yep, I got an Annex, but I can't seem to find the control software for it. > Without the control software it's just, hmm, crap. :-) I've got a box of drink > coasters at the office, might have thrown the CD into that, I'll have to check > tommorow. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Oct 4 09:57:01 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] beermeeting! In-Reply-To: References: <20011003120407.F26578@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011004095622.A24757@ringworld.org> No fucking way. cool. :) I'll try that sometime when i need to park on a weekend down there. (many ramps are free on sundays, however) * Hans P. Christianson [011003 20:52]: > You absolutely DID NOT hear this from me, but you can park in the Enrica > Fish parking lot across Washington and no one will tow you (at least, they > didn't as of nine months ago when I worked around there). The lot is like > a driveway between Enrica Fish and the Navy recruitment office. > > --- > H. P. Christianson > 20 NE Second St. #1005 > Minneapolis, MN 55413 > (612) 327-6654 > hans@friedchicken.org > > On Wed, 3 Oct 2001, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > > It looks like there's no sports conflicts, so I'll be seeing you at Stub and > > > Herbs on thursday, 6pm. We'll probably be in the basement. > > > > anyone have advice on where to park? last I heard (couple of weeks ago); the > > parking lot by there, was all torn up for construction. > > > > Carl Soderstrom > > -- > > Network Engineer > > Real-Time Enterprises > > (952) 943-8700 > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net "History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." - Justice Thurgood Marshall (1989) From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Oct 4 09:59:00 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ReiserFS vs ext3 for Squid Server In-Reply-To: <20011004013232.G11041@real-time.com> References: <20011004013232.G11041@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011004095759.B24757@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [011004 01:33]: > As an aside, it rocks. :-) I love updating a box via red-carpet and only getting > 5K/s for the first box, but then a kick-ass (almost) 100Mb/s for every other AFAIK lots of the red carpet stuff is akamaised, no? Weve got one of those onsite somewhere, so its really fast for us :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net "History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." - Justice Thurgood Marshall (1989) From simeonuj at eetc.com Thu Oct 4 10:16:02 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] network mapping (?)/architecture layout program thingy... Message-ID: I am looking for a program that will allow me to... A) Make a visual image of the layout of a building and where the computers are in said building. B) Assign data to said computers in the diagram i.e. type, model etc. of the computer/appliance. C) Be able to print out the visual layout of the building or export it to some form of image file... Anyone know of a good program for this? Opensource? Macintosh compatible. :) It really needs to be either Linux or Mac (Pre X). I could get a windows machine to test it on but would rather not. sim From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Thu Oct 4 10:28:15 2001 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question about KDE (Konqueror paper size for printing) Message-ID: <15292.32742.567420.475858@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> I'm mostly loving KDE, but.... Has anyone figured out how to make their &^)(&#ing printer paper setup default to "letter" instead of "a4"? I'm particularly interested in this for Konqueror, my favorite piece of KDE... I've poked around in the .kde directory, and couldn't find anything that looked like a page size setup. I'm probably desperate enough to recompile the whole thing to get this fixed! Thanks! R From mwagner at mysql.com Thu Oct 4 10:30:20 2001 From: mwagner at mysql.com (Matt Wagner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ReiserFS vs ext3 for Squid Server In-Reply-To: <20011004013232.G11041@real-time.com> References: <20011004013232.G11041@real-time.com> Message-ID: <15292.32767.116175.935113@evoq.mwagner.org> Bob Tanner writes: > So, after being properly put in my place about benchmarks, wouldn't you know it. > Nate puts up a squid server for us to play with. > > As an aside, it rocks. :-) I love updating a box via red-carpet and only getting > 5K/s for the first box, but then a kick-ass (almost) 100Mb/s for every other > box (ok, it's a lot less then 100Mb/s, but I need someone to re-inflate my ego). > > Anyways, the cache area is ext2, there was talk about ReiserFS being good for > this stuff. How about ext3? Any comments, benchmarks, etc? ReiserFS should be a little faster with the multitude of smaller files that a Squid cache creates (this is where ReiserFS accels). However, you gotta love the compatibility of EXT3 with EXT2. Just load the kernel module, and remount your already existing EXT2 squid cache partition as EXT3. And voila, you have journaling. Our tests (at MySQL AB) of ReiserFS vs. EXT3 only yeild about a 10% performance difference either way (some are pro-reiser, some are pro-ext3). My personal choice is EXT3 just because of the lower sysadmin effort on my part. :) Matt -- For technical support contracts, visit https://order.mysql.com/ __ ___ ___ ____ __ / |/ /_ __/ __/ __ \/ / Mr. Matt Wagner / /|_/ / // /\ \/ /_/ / /__ MySQL AB, Herr Direktor /_/ /_/\_, /___/\___\_\___/ Hopkins, Minnesota USA <___/ www.mysql.com From scott.w.fischer at att.net Thu Oct 4 10:52:01 2001 From: scott.w.fischer at att.net (scott.w.fischer@att.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] network mapping (?)/architecture layout program thingy... Message-ID: <20011004155057.JASI1680.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> dia is a reasonable implementation of Visio functionality. It seems that its object library isn't well fleshed out yet, so you'll be creating a lot of your own. -swf -- "Don't pray when it rains if you don't pray when the sun shines." - Satchel Paige > I am looking for a program that will allow me to... > > A) Make a visual image of the layout of a building and where the computers > are in said building. > B) Assign data to said computers in the diagram i.e. type, model etc. of the > computer/appliance. > C) Be able to print out the visual layout of the building or export it to > some form of image file... > > Anyone know of a good program for this? Opensource? Macintosh compatible. > :) > It really needs to be either Linux or Mac (Pre X). I could get a windows > machine to test it on but would rather not. > > sim > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Oct 4 10:57:01 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question about KDE (Konqueror paper size for printing) In-Reply-To: <15292.32742.567420.475858@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> References: <15292.32742.567420.475858@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <20011004155613.9F8BC455E@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> > I'm probably desperate enough to recompile the whole thing to get this > fixed! KDE 2.2 isn't too hard to compile... :) But you shold be able to change default paper size under kcontrol > System > Printing Manager I think... -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From steveg at transition.com Thu Oct 4 11:08:14 2001 From: steveg at transition.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question about KDE (Konqueror paper size for printing ) Message-ID: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BC02C@postman.transition.com> I think you can set that on a printer by printer bassis if you are using CUPS, by using kups. While KDE is running just open a terminal and type kups. I can't remember if you have to be root or not, and I don't have a box infront of me right now that I can try it on. -----Original Message----- From: Robert P. Goldman [mailto:goldman@htc.honeywell.com] Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 10:28 AM To: tclug-list@lists.real-time.com Subject: [TCLUG] Question about KDE (Konqueror paper size for printing) I'm mostly loving KDE, but.... Has anyone figured out how to make their &^)(&#ing printer paper setup default to "letter" instead of "a4"? I'm particularly interested in this for Konqueror, my favorite piece of KDE... I've poked around in the .kde directory, and couldn't find anything that looked like a page size setup. I'm probably desperate enough to recompile the whole thing to get this fixed! Thanks! R _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jay at slushpupie.com Thu Oct 4 12:16:02 2001 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question about KDE (Konqueror paper size for printing) In-Reply-To: <20011004155613.9F8BC455E@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> References: <15292.32742.567420.475858@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> <20011004155613.9F8BC455E@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011004171512.RRQQ17980.femail28.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> On the same topic, when I print from the Advanced Editor, it trys printing to the very top and bottom of the page, which my printer cant do, leaving off 1-2 lines. The paper size is set to Letter, but I cant find anywhere to set the margins.... I am using Cups on a DJ612C, and pringing works fine everywhere else... Jay On Thursday 04 October 2001 10:56 am, you wrote: > > I'm probably desperate enough to recompile the whole thing to get this > > fixed! > > KDE 2.2 isn't too hard to compile... :) > > But you shold be able to change default paper size under kcontrol > System > > Printing Manager > > I think... -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- Today is National Existential Ennui Awareness Day. From veldy at veldy.net Thu Oct 4 12:33:00 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ReiserFS vs ext3 for Squid Server References: <20011004013232.G11041@real-time.com> <15292.32767.116175.935113@evoq.mwagner.org> Message-ID: <00aa01c14cfa$85c96d70$3028680a@tgt.com> Is ext3 production quality yet? For that fact, was ext2 production quality ;) ? Tom Veldhouse veldy71@yahoo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Wagner" To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ReiserFS vs ext3 for Squid Server > Bob Tanner writes: > > So, after being properly put in my place about benchmarks, wouldn't you know it. > > Nate puts up a squid server for us to play with. > > > > As an aside, it rocks. :-) I love updating a box via red-carpet and only getting > > 5K/s for the first box, but then a kick-ass (almost) 100Mb/s for every other > > box (ok, it's a lot less then 100Mb/s, but I need someone to re-inflate my ego). > > > > Anyways, the cache area is ext2, there was talk about ReiserFS being good for > > this stuff. How about ext3? Any comments, benchmarks, etc? > > ReiserFS should be a little faster with the multitude of smaller files > that a Squid cache creates (this is where ReiserFS accels). > > However, you gotta love the compatibility of EXT3 with EXT2. Just load > the kernel module, and remount your already existing EXT2 squid cache > partition as EXT3. And voila, you have journaling. > > Our tests (at MySQL AB) of ReiserFS vs. EXT3 only yeild about a 10% > performance difference either way (some are pro-reiser, some are > pro-ext3). > > My personal choice is EXT3 just because of the lower sysadmin effort > on my part. :) > > > Matt > > -- > For technical support contracts, visit https://order.mysql.com/ > __ ___ ___ ____ __ > / |/ /_ __/ __/ __ \/ / Mr. Matt Wagner > / /|_/ / // /\ \/ /_/ / /__ MySQL AB, Herr Direktor > /_/ /_/\_, /___/\___\_\___/ Hopkins, Minnesota USA > <___/ www.mysql.com > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Thu Oct 4 12:35:19 2001 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question about KDE (Konqueror paper size for printing) Message-ID: <15292.40298.243559.377162@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> >> I'm probably desperate enough to recompile the whole thing to >> get this fixed! zibby> KDE 2.2 isn't too hard to compile... :) zibby> But you shold be able to change default paper size under kcontrol zibby> > System > Printing Manager zibby> I think... Well, there's a System under kcontrol, but no printing manager.... This is KDE 2.1.2. But I've got 2.2.1 at home (Mandrake 8.1), and still no dice, as far as I can tell.... Other suggestions? Thanks! R From steveg at transition.com Thu Oct 4 12:49:01 2001 From: steveg at transition.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ReiserFS vs ext3 for Squid Server Message-ID: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BC02E@postman.transition.com> I hope so. I just setup Mandrake 8.1 at home and used ext3 for everything. -----Original Message----- From: Thomas T. Veldhouse [mailto:veldy@veldy.net] Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 12:32 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ReiserFS vs ext3 for Squid Server Is ext3 production quality yet? For that fact, was ext2 production quality ;) ? Tom Veldhouse veldy71@yahoo.com From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Oct 4 15:22:12 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Konqueror and SSL sites with frames Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF81@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Has anyone else noticed that konqueror does not work well on sites that have SSL in frames? If anyone has a paytrust.com account, try konqueror with it, you get a bunch of errors that says it can't connect (even though one or two of the frames will load, but not all of them). I have this problem on 2 different machines running mandrake 8.1, with multiple sites with framed SSL. Jay From ben at nerp.net Thu Oct 4 15:26:01 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] meeting this weekend Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- hey.. I havn't heard anything about the meeting this weekend.. but I assume it's going on.. I will be picking up the keys tomorow to open up the room on saturday. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBO7zF1stpDhsSpvgtAQHuwQQAw15uvDn3U2azhk2zlRGQjMcedV6WYXC7 bt+0Soj2GSrg9ZUpjnRY5gedZPEX4inzf819YbkjIxtTJYZqjVKeMQP8Cw2er3nf 5GLkaBRH6eCeARWSB84mNjfzah4DB2Dg+GR9KAYky49d1tEgyEfcf1Ln6n2AlC3W Kiq2EHzai+I= =BcI0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Oct 4 15:33:00 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Setting up DNS Message-ID: I'm setting up my first DNS server this weekend. I'm properly armed with the DNS-HOWTO and the O'Reilly DNS and BIND book. Simple question before I start, what version of BIND should I use? Older versions of course are exploits waiting to happen, and I've heard bad things about the bleeding edge stuff. Any suggestions? Yes, I missed the presentation on DNS, I wish I hadn't. -Brian From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Oct 4 15:37:01 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] meeting this weekend In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011004153606.I24757@ringworld.org> * Ben Kochie [011004 15:29]: > the room on saturday. Uh, i herd that IMA had the room blacked out for the weekend and we were going apeshit the last two days trying to find another room?! -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net "History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." - Justice Thurgood Marshall (1989) From bbaptist at iexposure.com Thu Oct 4 15:55:02 2001 From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Konqueror and SSL sites with frames In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF81@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF81@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <200110042054.f94KsUU19688@destiny.iexposure.com> On Thursday 04 October 2001 03:21 pm, you wrote: > Has anyone else noticed that konqueror does not work well on sites that > have SSL in frames? If anyone has a paytrust.com account, try konqueror > with it, you get a bunch of errors that says it can't connect (even though > one or two of the frames will load, but not all of them). I have this > problem on 2 different machines running mandrake 8.1, with multiple sites > with framed SSL. Wierd seems to work for me. I tried at least one site that I user that has frames and SSL. Check it out yourself. https://secure.ndsu.nodak.edu/bisonmail Can look at the page at all? Is it when you first get to the page that it errors out? -- Bret Baptist Systems and Technical Support Specialist bbaptist@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services From sextus at visi.com Thu Oct 4 16:20:01 2001 From: sextus at visi.com (Michael Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Setting up DNS In-Reply-To: ; from Brian on Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 03:32:20PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20011004161907.A19033@visi.com> ON Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 03:32:20PM -0500, Brian wrote: > I'm setting up my first DNS server this weekend. I'm properly armed with > the DNS-HOWTO and the O'Reilly DNS and BIND book. Simple question before > I start, what version of BIND should I use? Older versions of course are > exploits waiting to happen, and I've heard bad things about the bleeding > edge stuff. Any suggestions? Yes, I missed the presentation on DNS, I > wish I hadn't. I'd recommend 8.2.5. There are exploits against everything before 8.2.3, and 9.x is still too new IMHO and I don't think the current Cricket book even covers it. -- Michael From tanner at real-time.com Thu Oct 4 16:22:01 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [removed for privacy: RPM on Windows NT] Message-ID: <20011004162136.R11041@real-time.com> > Is RPM available on Windows NT ? > > Thanks > Nitin People never stop amazing me. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From harvieue at tcfreenet.org Thu Oct 4 16:27:01 2001 From: harvieue at tcfreenet.org (Eric Harvieux) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] meeting this weekend In-Reply-To: <20011004153606.I24757@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20011004162301.P93588-100000@tcfreenet.org> Yeah, the IMA has 3-180 this weekend...I don't know of any other openings. Math should have some lecture halls, I would think ;) -Eric On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Scott Dier wrote: > * Ben Kochie [011004 15:29]: > > the room on saturday. > > Uh, i herd that IMA had the room blacked out for the weekend and we were > going apeshit the last two days trying to find another room?! > > -- > Scott Dier > http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net > > "History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of > urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." > - Justice Thurgood Marshall (1989) > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Oct 4 16:33:00 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ReiserFS vs ext3 for Squid Server In-Reply-To: <15292.32767.116175.935113@evoq.mwagner.org> References: <20011004013232.G11041@real-time.com> <15292.32767.116175.935113@evoq.mwagner.org> Message-ID: <20011004163233.50ed16f1.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Matt Wagner wrote: > > However, you gotta love the compatibility of EXT3 with EXT2. Just load > the kernel module, and remount your already existing EXT2 squid cache > partition as EXT3. And voila, you have journaling. Do you have to add a journal manually with some utility (tune2fs?) as well, or does it get created automatically? -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I'm not nearly as think / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ as you confused I am. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But then again what the heck do I really know anyway. :) -----Original Message----- From: Michael Burns [mailto:sextus@visi.com] Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 4:19 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Setting up DNS ON Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 03:32:20PM -0500, Brian wrote: > I'm setting up my first DNS server this weekend. I'm properly armed with > the DNS-HOWTO and the O'Reilly DNS and BIND book. Simple question before > I start, what version of BIND should I use? Older versions of course are > exploits waiting to happen, and I've heard bad things about the bleeding > edge stuff. Any suggestions? Yes, I missed the presentation on DNS, I > wish I hadn't. I'd recommend 8.2.5. There are exploits against everything before 8.2.3, and 9.x is still too new IMHO and I don't think the current Cricket book even covers it. -- Michael _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Thu Oct 4 16:49:01 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [mgalgoci@redhat.com: ADMIN: 7.2 update] In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 08:57:10AM -0500 References: <20011003210640.A5508@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011004164832.C18284@real-time.com> Quoting Brian (lxy@cloudnet.com): > On Wed, 3 Oct 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > FYI. > > > > Redhat 7.2 ready to roll-out! > > ooooohhhhh... How long til Real Time has it mirrored? I'm polling the site every 30 mins, so once it's up, just have to see how much bandwidth I can burn leeching it. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Oct 4 16:52:01 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ReiserFS vs ext3 for Squid Server In-Reply-To: <20011004095759.B24757@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 09:57:59AM -0500 References: <20011004013232.G11041@real-time.com> <20011004095759.B24757@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20011004165000.D18284@real-time.com> Quoting Scott Dier (dieman+tclug@ringworld.org): > * Bob Tanner [011004 01:33]: > > As an aside, it rocks. :-) I love updating a box via red-carpet and only getting > > 5K/s for the first box, but then a kick-ass (almost) 100Mb/s for every other > > AFAIK lots of the red carpet stuff is akamaised, no? Weve got one of > those onsite somewhere, so its really fast for us :) > Yeah, red-carpet is akamaised. I'm jealous now. Scott gets to 1-up me again! -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From phil at rephil.org Thu Oct 4 16:55:03 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (phil@rephil.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] meeting this weekend In-Reply-To: <20011004162301.P93588-100000@tcfreenet.org>; from harvieue@tcfreenet.org on Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 04:24:36PM -0500 References: <20011004153606.I24757@ringworld.org> <20011004162301.P93588-100000@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20011004165243.A16688@rephil.org> On Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 04:24:36PM -0500, Eric Harvieux wrote: > Yeah, the IMA has 3-180 this weekend...I don't know of any other openings. > > Math should have some lecture halls, I would think ;) Um, Ben's not with the Math dept, he was with IMA. Could it be that Ben reserved the room, and everyone else is seeing that as IMA, when it's not? (Glad you haven't moved -- did that fall through, Ben?) Math itself doesn't have any big lecture halls except Vincent 16, AFAIK. Too late for this meeting, but I could check on availability for future events. (It has board space, but no projection built-in. People forget that math is actually *no*-tech! ) -- I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. From phil at rephil.org Thu Oct 4 16:59:07 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (phil@rephil.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [removed for privacy: RPM on Windows NT] In-Reply-To: <20011004162136.R11041@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 04:21:36PM -0500 References: <20011004162136.R11041@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011004165503.B16688@rephil.org> On Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 04:21:36PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > Is RPM available on Windows NT ? > > > > Thanks > > Nitin > > People never stop amazing me. I recall that Borland had a thing called RPM once upon a time, but that was before Linux even existed. You *may* have a live one there, but I bet your first impression is the right one. -- I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. From tanner at real-time.com Thu Oct 4 17:01:50 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ReiserFS vs ext3 for Squid Server In-Reply-To: <20011004163233.50ed16f1.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 04:32:33PM -0500 References: <20011004013232.G11041@real-time.com> <15292.32767.116175.935113@evoq.mwagner.org> <20011004163233.50ed16f1.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011004165756.E18284@real-time.com> Quoting Mike Hicks (hick0088@tc.umn.edu): > Matt Wagner wrote: > > > > However, you gotta love the compatibility of EXT3 with EXT2. Just load > > the kernel module, and remount your already existing EXT2 squid cache > > partition as EXT3. And voila, you have journaling. > > Do you have to add a journal manually with some utility (tune2fs?) as > well, or does it get created automatically? > ext3 come as an option in any of the RH distributions yet? Ie for the non-kernel builders? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Oct 4 17:33:01 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [removed for privacy: RPM on Windows NT] In-Reply-To: <20011004162136.R11041@real-time.com> References: <20011004162136.R11041@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011004173205.0f85804c.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Bob Tanner wrote: > > > Is RPM available on Windows NT ? > > > > Thanks > > Nitin > > People never stop amazing me. I don't know how useful it is, but it exists.. This is (apparently) a compiled binary for use with cygwin.. ftp://ftp.blackcatlinux.com/pub/RPM-bin/cygwin-B20/rpm.exe Install cygwin, and see if it compiles, eh? -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ It's easy to fix -- just / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ jiggle the fiddlybob! \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011004/fe83c53d/attachment.pgp From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Oct 4 17:34:39 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] meeting this weekend In-Reply-To: <20011004165243.A16688@rephil.org> References: <20011004153606.I24757@ringworld.org> <20011004162301.P93588-100000@tcfreenet.org> <20011004165243.A16688@rephil.org> Message-ID: <20011004173227.J24757@ringworld.org> Ben's with math now. We got a room for this weekend and it should be announced in clay's uber-annouunce soon. Anyhow, we got AkerH 319 from 12-2 right now, I'll bring a projector in case its needed. We will try to get a nice EECSCI room next time, sorry guys :| We had issues cause I didn't make sure of something. Next time it will be a nice room. We are scheduiling next months meeting a month in advance for the room. * phil@rephil.org [011004 16:58]: > On Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 04:24:36PM -0500, Eric Harvieux wrote: > > Yeah, the IMA has 3-180 this weekend...I don't know of any other openings. > > > > Math should have some lecture halls, I would think ;) > > Um, Ben's not with the Math dept, he was with IMA. Could it be that Ben > reserved the room, and everyone else is seeing that as IMA, when it's not? > > (Glad you haven't moved -- did that fall through, Ben?) > > Math itself doesn't have any big lecture halls except Vincent 16, AFAIK. Too > late for this meeting, but I could check on availability for future events. > (It has board space, but no projection built-in. People forget that > math is actually *no*-tech! ) > > -- > I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, > but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net "History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." - Justice Thurgood Marshall (1989) From chrome at real-time.com Thu Oct 4 17:38:00 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ReiserFS vs ext3 for Squid Server In-Reply-To: <20011004165756.E18284@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 04:57:56PM -0500 References: <20011004013232.G11041@real-time.com> <15292.32767.116175.935113@evoq.mwagner.org> <20011004163233.50ed16f1.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20011004165756.E18284@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011004173702.A23309@real-time.com> > ext3 come as an option in any of the RH distributions yet? Ie for the non-kernel > builders? worked happily in 7.2beta, when I installed it. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From mwagner at mysql.com Thu Oct 4 17:41:02 2001 From: mwagner at mysql.com (Matt Wagner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ReiserFS vs ext3 for Squid Server In-Reply-To: <20011004163233.50ed16f1.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> References: <20011004013232.G11041@real-time.com> <15292.32767.116175.935113@evoq.mwagner.org> <20011004163233.50ed16f1.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <15292.58711.405296.337494@evoq.mwagner.org> Mike Hicks writes: > Matt Wagner wrote: > > > > However, you gotta love the compatibility of EXT3 with EXT2. Just load > > the kernel module, and remount your already existing EXT2 squid cache > > partition as EXT3. And voila, you have journaling. > > Do you have to add a journal manually with some utility (tune2fs?) as > well, or does it get created automatically? You have to manually create the journal with 'tune2fs -j /dev/hdx'. Then mount as EXT3. Matt -- For technical support contracts, visit https://order.mysql.com/ __ ___ ___ ____ __ / |/ /_ __/ __/ __ \/ / Mr. Matt Wagner / /|_/ / // /\ \/ /_/ / /__ MySQL AB, Herr Direktor /_/ /_/\_, /___/\___\_\___/ Hopkins, Minnesota USA <___/ www.mysql.com From tl at assimilated.org Thu Oct 4 18:20:01 2001 From: tl at assimilated.org (tim lupfer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Setting up DNS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15292.60787.521644.449157@matilda.assimilated.org> >>>>> "Brian" == Brian writes: Brian> I'm setting up my first DNS server this weekend. I'm Brian> properly armed with the DNS-HOWTO and the O'Reilly DNS and Brian> BIND book. Simple question before I start, what version of Brian> BIND should I use? Older versions of course are exploits Brian> waiting to happen, and I've heard bad things about the Brian> bleeding edge stuff. Any suggestions? Yes, I missed the Brian> presentation on DNS, I wish I hadn't. 8.2.3 has served me well since 20 minutes after it was released. 9.x is purely nonsense. Additionally, your Oreilly book is most likely geared towards 8.x, or god forbid, 4.9.x. -- ============================================== timothy lupfer http://www.assimilated.org tl@assimilated.org tlupfe01@euclid.hamline.edu ============================================== Whenever you find that you are on the side of the majority, it is time to reform. -- Mark Twain From cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org Thu Oct 4 19:35:02 2001 From: cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Monthly Meeting Announcement Message-ID: <20011004192719.B3959@fandre.com> What: Twin Cities Linux Users Group Monthly Meeting When: Saturday October 6th, 2001 noon - 2pm Topic: Procmail - http://www.procmail.org Where: University of Minnesota Akerman 319, EE/CS ROOM 12-2 It's right next door to the CS building. http://onestop.umn.edu/Maps/EECSci/index.html Hope to see you there! _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From sraun at fireopal.org Thu Oct 4 20:36:02 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Monthly Meetings Message-ID: <20011004203501.C681@iaxs.net> Not to open a can of worms - but is there a possibility that some months the meeting could be on the second Saturday instead of the first? My first Saturday is practically ALWAYS booked with family and a prior social commitment - but I could make second Saturdays most months! -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From scott.w.fischer at att.net Thu Oct 4 20:41:02 2001 From: scott.w.fischer at att.net (scott.w.fischer@att.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Konqueror and SSL sites with frames Message-ID: <20011005014014.SRAM1680.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> It seems to me that problem was solved with KDE 2.1 and later. I remember it dearly, but haven't seen it in a while. -swf -- "Don't pray when it rains if you don't pray when the sun shines." - Satchel Paige > On Thursday 04 October 2001 03:21 pm, you wrote: > > Has anyone else noticed that konqueror does not work well on sites that > > have SSL in frames? If anyone has a paytrust.com account, try konqueror > > with it, you get a bunch of errors that says it can't connect (even though > > one or two of the frames will load, but not all of them). I have this > > problem on 2 different machines running mandrake 8.1, with multiple sites > > with framed SSL. > > > Wierd seems to work for me. I tried at least one site that I user that has > frames and SSL. Check it out yourself. > https://secure.ndsu.nodak.edu/bisonmail > > Can look at the page at all? Is it when you first get to the page that it > errors out? > > > -- > Bret Baptist > Systems and Technical Support Specialist > bbaptist@iexposure.com > Internet Exposure, Inc. > http://www.iexposure.com > > (612)676-1946 > Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dd-b at dd-b.net Thu Oct 4 20:42:22 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] courier vs qmail In-Reply-To: <3BBB25C3.6020704@sodatrain.com> References: <01100210494700.00703@Romana> <20011002162730.62a16cfd.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <3BBB25C3.6020704@sodatrain.com> Message-ID: duncan writes: > sorry if this is a past topic... i dont want to boil anyones blood again. > > Im currently a qmail user, been very happy with it. i use it with > uw-imap, tcpserver for selective relaying, and squirrelmail for > webemail access. > > I am going to need to be providing some email to other folks, and > could run into more complex relaying issues than i am set to handle. > Im going to be hosting email for a company, and i can allow their IP > from work thru, but as soon as anyone wants to check thier email from > home... trouble, unless i can talk them into using webmail. Not really; either they can configure to use an smtp server different from the pop server (they should have smtp server available from who they get their IP from), *or* you can use one of the pop-before-smtp solutions that opens a *temporary* relay for an IP that just checked mail via POP. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ From dd-b at dd-b.net Thu Oct 4 20:46:00 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] +1 spammers, -1 MAPS In-Reply-To: <20011004014101.H11041@real-time.com> References: <20011004014101.H11041@real-time.com> Message-ID: Bob Tanner writes: > I've expressed my opinion about MAPS in the past. After reading this > announcement, I'm glad I'm not paying for MAPS services: > > http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/011003/law118_1.html > > I mean, they want my money to keep spam off my network. Ok, they have the best > blacklist on the 'net, but -now-, they still get my money AND a huge spammer > cannot be blacklisted! Cool. So, what are the Experian netblocks, anyway? I've got spare filters out there in the Cisco 675 just waiting for this. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ From sgrobe at mn.rr.com Thu Oct 4 20:47:26 2001 From: sgrobe at mn.rr.com (steve) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question about KDE (Konqueror paper size for printing) References: <15292.32742.567420.475858@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> <20011004155613.9F8BC455E@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> <20011004171512.RRQQ17980.femail28.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Message-ID: <3BBD0302.9070509@mn.rr.com> Try qtcups. Under properties, text, you can set custom margins. Jay Kline wrote: > On the same topic, when I print from the Advanced Editor, it trys printing to > the very top and bottom of the page, which my printer cant do, leaving off > 1-2 lines. The paper size is set to Letter, but I cant find anywhere to set > the margins.... I am using Cups on a DJ612C, and pringing works fine > everywhere else... > > Jay > > On Thursday 04 October 2001 10:56 am, you wrote: > >>>I'm probably desperate enough to recompile the whole thing to get this >>>fixed! >>> >>KDE 2.2 isn't too hard to compile... :) >> >>But you shold be able to change default paper size under kcontrol > System >> >>>Printing Manager >>> >>I think... >> > -- The more I know, the more I know I don't know. Confused and confusing since 1966. If I had a nickle for every time I knew I was right and spoke up, I could buy a soda, maybe even two. From veldy at veldy.net Thu Oct 4 21:09:00 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ReiserFS vs ext3 for Squid Server References: <20011004013232.G11041@real-time.com><15292.32767.116175.935113@evoq.mwagner.org><20011004163233.50ed16f1.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <15292.58711.405296.337494@evoq.mwagner.org> Message-ID: <003101c14d42$b39807f0$0101a8c0@cascade> Use "auto" instead of ext3 in /etc/fstab. That way if you boot an old kernel (i.e. slackware boot CD) for some reason, you will still be able to mount the filesystems :) Tom Veldhouse veldy71@yahoo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Wagner" To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ReiserFS vs ext3 for Squid Server > Mike Hicks writes: > > Matt Wagner wrote: > > > > > > However, you gotta love the compatibility of EXT3 with EXT2. Just load > > > the kernel module, and remount your already existing EXT2 squid cache > > > partition as EXT3. And voila, you have journaling. > > > > Do you have to add a journal manually with some utility (tune2fs?) as > > well, or does it get created automatically? > > You have to manually create the journal with 'tune2fs -j > /dev/hdx'. Then mount as EXT3. > > > Matt > > -- > For technical support contracts, visit https://order.mysql.com/ > __ ___ ___ ____ __ > / |/ /_ __/ __/ __ \/ / Mr. Matt Wagner > / /|_/ / // /\ \/ /_/ / /__ MySQL AB, Herr Direktor > /_/ /_/\_, /___/\___\_\___/ Hopkins, Minnesota USA > <___/ www.mysql.com > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Oct 4 21:16:01 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Konqueror and SSL sites with frames Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF82@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> That site actually works fine for me. Only certain sites do it. Simondelivers.com is all frames and SSL and it works fine too. But, sites like paytrust.com and some load balancer administration interface things don't work. If I use mozilla, I don't have a problem. Doh. -----Original Message----- From: Bret Baptist [mailto:bbaptist@iexposure.com] Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 3:55 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Konqueror and SSL sites with frames On Thursday 04 October 2001 03:21 pm, you wrote: > Has anyone else noticed that konqueror does not work well on sites that > have SSL in frames? If anyone has a paytrust.com account, try konqueror > with it, you get a bunch of errors that says it can't connect (even though > one or two of the frames will load, but not all of them). I have this > problem on 2 different machines running mandrake 8.1, with multiple sites > with framed SSL. Wierd seems to work for me. I tried at least one site that I user that has frames and SSL. Check it out yourself. https://secure.ndsu.nodak.edu/bisonmail Can look at the page at all? Is it when you first get to the page that it errors out? -- Bret Baptist Systems and Technical Support Specialist bbaptist@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Oct 4 21:29:01 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Monthly Meeting Announcement In-Reply-To: <20011004192719.B3959@fandre.com> References: <20011004192719.B3959@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20011004212850.N24757@ringworld.org> > University of Minnesota Akerman 319, EE/CS ROOM 12-2 It's not an EECS room, its just north of EECS. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net "History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." - Justice Thurgood Marshall (1989) From tl at assimilated.org Thu Oct 4 21:46:01 2001 From: tl at assimilated.org (tim lupfer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] print formatting.. Message-ID: <15293.7570.804909.983327@matilda.assimilated.org> I finally decided, just today, that I am sick of typing papers in emacs and then importing them into lyx for printing purposes. Being of an indolent nature, does anyone out there know of an easy way that I could print these via enscript/a2ps/pr/[your choice] in the following format: double spaced, with a variable width font, and page numbers. The first person to tell me to read a man page will be forced to install windows 95 ;) -- ============================================== timothy lupfer http://www.assimilated.org tl@assimilated.org tlupfe01@euclid.hamline.edu ============================================== Good day to deal with people in high places; particularly lonely stewardesses. From marc at ds6.net Thu Oct 4 22:02:00 2001 From: marc at ds6.net (Marc A. Ohmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Monthly Meeting Announcement In-Reply-To: <20011004212850.N24757@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 09:28:50PM -0500 References: <20011004192719.B3959@fandre.com> <20011004212850.N24757@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20011004220145.A2082@flanders.digsol.net> here is a link for anyone unfamiliar http://onestop.umn.edu/Maps/AkerH/AkerH-map.html ee Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 09:28:50PM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: > > University of Minnesota Akerman 319, EE/CS ROOM 12-2 > > It's not an EECS room, its just north of EECS. > > -- > Scott Dier > http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net > > "History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of > urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." > - Justice Thurgood Marshall (1989) > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Marc A. Ohmann Digital Solutions, Inc http://ds6.net marc@ds6.net From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Oct 4 23:53:01 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Monthly Meeting Announcement In-Reply-To: <20011004192719.B3959@fandre.com> References: <20011004192719.B3959@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20011004212850.N24757@ringworld.org> > University of Minnesota Akerman 319, EE/CS ROOM 12-2 It's not an EECS room, its just north of EECS. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net "History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." - Justice Thurgood Marshall (1989) _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Fri Oct 5 08:07:49 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Setting up DNS Message-ID: I think version 4 of the ORA DNS&BIND book covers 9.x, so if you have the most recent copy the book should be helpful. Once concern may be if the machine has a smaller amount of memory and you want to provide DNS (and reverse DNS) for more than one domain. 8.x has one process running (IIRC) most of the time, but 9.x has one for each domain (plus one???). I hope there is some discussion of this in DNS&BIND v4...let me know (if that is the version of the book you have). Good luck, Troy >>> tl@assimilated.org 10/04/01 06:14PM >>> >>>>> "Brian" == Brian writes: Brian> I'm setting up my first DNS server this weekend. I'm Brian> properly armed with the DNS-HOWTO and the O'Reilly DNS and Brian> BIND book. Simple question before I start, what version of Brian> BIND should I use? Older versions of course are exploits Brian> waiting to happen, and I've heard bad things about the Brian> bleeding edge stuff. Any suggestions? Yes, I missed the Brian> presentation on DNS, I wish I hadn't. 8.2.3 has served me well since 20 minutes after it was released. 9.x is purely nonsense. Additionally, your Oreilly book is most likely geared towards 8.x, or god forbid, 4.9.x. From wilson at visi.com Fri Oct 5 08:11:08 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DMCA and SSSCA Message-ID: Hi everyone, I'm about to start writing a letter to my representatives in Congress about the proposed SSSCA. Like many of you, I'm concerned about the potential loss of privacy and general invasiveness of this particular law. Its affect on free software projects is also not to be underestimated. It occurs to me that one of the best ways to argue against the DMCA (too late, I know) and SSSCA is to point out past innovations that would have been illegal under these laws. I'm wondering if others on the list would have some items to suggest. This first item I thought of is below. Can anyone add to this (or correct me if I'm wrong)? I'm no expert on this or any legal question so I may be misinterpreting the whole thing. 1. The PC revolution (Compaq's reverse engineering of the IBM BIOS would have been illegal) -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Fri Oct 5 08:22:01 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DMCA and SSSCA Message-ID: I must agree with you Tim. I think that would make good ammunition for argument. I'll think on it and try to come up with some contribution, but would you also share your letter with the group (when it is done, of course)? I ask this because I would like to use some of your arguments when communicating with my representatives if I find them compelling. Thank you, Troy >>> wilson@visi.com 10/05/01 08:07AM >>> It occurs to me that one of the best ways to argue against the DMCA (too late, I know) and SSSCA is to point out past innovations that would have been illegal under these laws. I'm wondering if others on the list would have some items to suggest. From harvieue at tcfreenet.org Fri Oct 5 08:41:01 2001 From: harvieue at tcfreenet.org (Eric Harvieux) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] meeting this weekend In-Reply-To: <20011004165243.A16688@rephil.org> Message-ID: <20011005083600.O8692-100000@tcfreenet.org> On Thu, 4 Oct 2001 phil@rephil.org wrote: > Um, Ben's not with the Math dept, he was with IMA. Could it be that Ben > reserved the room, and everyone else is seeing that as IMA, when it's not? Actually Ben doesn't work for the IMA anymore, he works for Math. I *do* work for the IMA however. > (It has board space, but no projection built-in. People forget that > math is actually *no*-tech! ) Heh...Tell Steve that. ;) -Eric From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Fri Oct 5 09:54:00 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] print formatting.. In-Reply-To: <15293.7570.804909.983327@matilda.assimilated.org> References: <15293.7570.804909.983327@matilda.assimilated.org> Message-ID: <20011005095304.A25893@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 09:40:18PM -0500, tim lupfer wrote: > I finally decided, just today, that I am sick of typing papers in > emacs and then importing them into lyx for printing purposes. Being of > an indolent nature, does anyone out there know of an easy way that I > could print these via enscript/a2ps/pr/[your choice] in the following > format: double spaced, with a variable width font, and page > numbers. The first person to tell me to read a man page will be forced > to install windows 95 ;) Well to answer your question directly: enscript -s12 -f'Times-Roman12' --header='|Page $%' filename -s12 -skips 12 points between lines -f'Times-Roman12' - set the font to 12 point Times-Roman --header='|Page $%' - puts the page number centered on the top of the page And for more details, read the man page :). But I really think you should take the plunge and learn LaTeX. The output you get from LaTeX will look much nicer than you get from enscript/a2ps/pr and kind of like Perl, doing simple things in LateX is simple. For a simple paper like you describe here, you would only need a few lines of LaTeX commands on the top of the paper, the body of the paper would remain essentially unchanged, and a couple of lines of LaTeX commands on the bottom. If all you ever want to do is the same simple paper, those LaTeX lines would never have to change, but if ever want to do anything fancier with LaTeX you are ready. Plus, I hear that Emacs has a nice LaTeX mode (I'm a vim guy myself). -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org Cookies are tasty! |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://freesklyarov.org/ From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Oct 5 10:10:29 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] print formatting.. In-Reply-To: <20011005095304.A25893@gordo.space.umn.edu> References: <15293.7570.804909.983327@matilda.assimilated.org> <20011005095304.A25893@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011005100947.465ea9cd.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Jim Crumley wrote: > > But I really think you should take the plunge and learn LaTeX. > The output you get from LaTeX will look much nicer than you get > from enscript/a2ps/pr and kind of like Perl, doing simple things > in LateX is simple. Here's a question for the TeX gods in here.. How would a person change line spacing per paragraph? I've only ever been able to make a document double-spaced the whole way through. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ A fool and his money are / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ soon partying. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Something like: \renewcommand{\baselinestretch}{2} % sets line spacing to double \tiny{} % change the font size, so all appropriate % sizes are reset \normalsize % change back to normal font size This paragraph will be double spaced. Isn't that nifty. Etc. \renewcommand{\baselinestretch}{1} % reset to single spaced. \tiny{} \normalsize Its a little hackish, but it works. Of course to doublespace the whole document, just put \usepackage{doublespace} in the preamble. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org Cookies are tasty! |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://freesklyarov.org/ From paul at harris.net Fri Oct 5 10:53:00 2001 From: paul at harris.net (Paul) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Font problem Message-ID: <20011005155246.14634.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Hi, I'm a linux newbie running Debian 'woody' (apt-get'ed from potato). I use KDE 2.1.x (x=2 I think) and xfs for fonts (this was installed by default). When I'm logged in as root I have lots of beautiful fonts available to me in KWord and on the desktop. but if I go in as a normal user I only have three fonts available, and my desktop consequently looks rather ugly. I've tried researching the topic, but can't find anything that mentions a difference between root and normal. Any suggestions? Thanks, Paul From tanner at real-time.com Fri Oct 5 13:12:00 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.2 is down Message-ID: <20011005131143.U11074@real-time.com> RH 7.2 is down -except- for the ISOs. You'd think that would be the first thing Redhat would put on their site. For some reason RH has not made the perms avail to everyone. I'm double checking that I can open it up for everyone. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From duncan at sodatrain.com Fri Oct 5 13:34:00 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] writing USB drivers References: <20011005131143.U11074@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3BBDFD11.70503@sodatrain.com> hello- Im looking to help a friend get into USB driver development. Can anyone point me to good resources, or offer any advice? He has some tools from jungo.com or something like that. He understands the protocol, and wants to write the drivers for a prodcut he is working on. thx From thomas at stderr.net Fri Oct 5 13:45:01 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] writing USB drivers In-Reply-To: <3BBDFD11.70503@sodatrain.com>; from duncan@sodatrain.com on Fri, Oct 05, 2001 at 01:33:53PM -0500 References: <20011005131143.U11074@real-time.com> <3BBDFD11.70503@sodatrain.com> Message-ID: <20011005204512.Q52660@io.stderr.net> On Fri, Oct 05, 2001 at 01:33:53PM -0500, duncan wrote: > hello- > > Im looking to help a friend get into USB driver development. Can anyone > point me to good resources, or offer any advice? > > He has some tools from jungo.com or something like that. He understands > the protocol, and wants to write the drivers for a prodcut he is working on. Find an existing driver that does something like what he wants to do and start from there? or the latestkernel/Documentation/usb/ might have something. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Fri Oct 5 13:52:14 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] writing USB drivers Message-ID: I think there may be someone on the list who has written some USB kernel stuff... >>On Fri, Oct 05, 2001 at 01:33:53PM -0500, duncan wrote: > hello- > > Im looking to help a friend get into USB driver development. Can anyone > point me to good resources, or offer any advice? > > He has some tools from jungo.com or something like that. He understands > the protocol, and wants to write the drivers for a prodcut he is working on. From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Fri Oct 5 14:14:01 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DMCA and SSSCA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011005141257.A547@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Fri, Oct 05, 2001 at 08:07:38AM -0500, Timothy Wilson wrote: > It occurs to me that one of the best ways to argue against the DMCA (too > late, I know) and SSSCA is to point out past innovations that would have > been illegal under these laws. I'm wondering if others on the list would > have some items to suggest. > > This first item I thought of is below. Can anyone add to this (or correct me > if I'm wrong)? I'm no expert on this or any legal question so I may be > misinterpreting the whole thing. > > 1. The PC revolution (Compaq's reverse engineering of the IBM BIOS would > have been illegal) I'm not sure that this would be illegal under either DMCA or SSSCA, but laws are certainly going in the direction to make reverse engineering more difficult and risky. I think one of the best arguments in the talk last night was similar to this. In the Universal vs. Betamax case, the movie studios tried to prevent the sale for home video recorders arguing that they would lose money due to pirating. These days movie studios make a huge fraction of their money off of sale of DVDs and video cassettes. I'm sure that there are better examples. I know that discussion of this sort of thing hasi been on the Free-Skylarov list [1] and I would bet it has on the anti-DMCA list[2] - you might want to check the archives. You also might want to ask this question on the DMCA-minnesota list. As for sample letters, the letter that we passed around at the talk last night is available [3] and there are other sample letters floating around on the net. Jim 1. http://zork.net/pipermail/free-sklyarov/ 2. http://lists.anti-dmca.org/pipermail/dmca_discuss/ 3. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DMCA-minnesota/files/letter_to_congres_20011005/ -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org Cookies are tasty! |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://freesklyarov.org/ From drake+tclug at lemongecko.org Fri Oct 5 14:16:01 2001 From: drake+tclug at lemongecko.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] print formatting.. In-Reply-To: <20011005095304.A25893@gordo.space.umn.edu> References: <15293.7570.804909.983327@matilda.assimilated.org> <20011005095304.A25893@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011005141214.A26497@lemongecko.org> On Fri, Oct 05, 2001 at 09:53AM -0500, Jim Crumley wrote: > But I really think you should take the plunge and learn LaTeX. The > output you get from LaTeX will look much nicer than you get from > enscript/a2ps/pr As a math person, I have to say that LaTeX completely, totally, and utterly rocks the house. If you have to type *anything* that involves mathematical symbols, there's just nothing else to use. (except for last-minute homework, in which case blank paper and a pen works well. Which is what I'm doing today, heh heh) And regular papers, writeups, etc. look really nice in LaTeX. The average Joe on the street would never be able to figure it out, but if you're a Linux geek-type, LaTeX will seem wonderful. Footnotes, indices, etc are so easy and nice with LaTeX. If it's going on dead trees, it's gotta be LaTeX. > Plus, I hear that Emacs has a nice LaTeX mode (I'm a vim guy myself). Emacs does. It's the only thing in the entire world that Emacs does better than vim. :) Dan -- | 4699 BDCB B1A5 28B6 7F8A F8DF EB6A BC2A B0A1 99BF (GPG) | Dan Drake | http://lemongecko.org/drake/ | Twin Cities Linux Users Group - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011005/95a1933d/attachment.pgp From drake+tclug at lemongecko.org Fri Oct 5 14:22:01 2001 From: drake+tclug at lemongecko.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] print formatting.. In-Reply-To: <20011005100947.465ea9cd.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> References: <15293.7570.804909.983327@matilda.assimilated.org> <20011005095304.A25893@gordo.space.umn.edu> <20011005100947.465ea9cd.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011005141830.B26497@lemongecko.org> On Fri, Oct 05, 2001 at 10:09AM -0500, Mike Hicks wrote: > Here's a question for the TeX gods in here.. How would a person change > line spacing per paragraph? I've only ever been able to make a document > double-spaced the whole way through. Well, I'm only a minor deity, but... \linespread{2} doublespaces everything (you can change the 2 to 1.5, 1.22, etc), and \parskip changes the space between paragraphs. Use it like \setlength{\parskip}{1 in} I think you could use these two to get what you want. Dan -- | 4699 BDCB B1A5 28B6 7F8A F8DF EB6A BC2A B0A1 99BF (GPG) | Dan Drake | http://lemongecko.org/drake/ | Twin Cities Linux Users Group - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011005/99545827/attachment.pgp From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Oct 5 16:25:02 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Php nuke -- probably more swiss-cheese than early versions of sen dmail or sun's rpc Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF85@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Is anyone else amazed at how poorly security has been implemented in PHP-nuke? It seems like an exploit comes through once a week for it. The developer has always been a nazi about the whole project, not letting other people's contributed code into it. I thought that when Mandrake decided to sponsor the project it would get better, but it appears that is not the case. If you're thinking about running PHP-nuke, don't. Just search the bugtraq archives at securityfocus.com to see why. Sad. Too bad, because it's a very nice php portal system, other than the fact that someone can gain access to your box any number of ways. Jay From rahrenstorff at yahoo.com Fri Oct 5 17:03:00 2001 From: rahrenstorff at yahoo.com (Yahoo mail) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] new to the list! Message-ID: <001e01c14dba$fb6d88c0$840ef518@mn.mediaone.net> Would like to say hello...relatively new to Mineeapolis and just found your club. I'm a Linux newbie running 8.1 Mandrake and learning quickly. Hope to make one of the meetings soon. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mostly because I want to get more campus involvement going, and being able to spam some areas beforehand with posters helps if I know whats going on more than a week before. :) So, please spam your thoughts into this topic :) See everyone tommrow! -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ irc://irc.openprojects.net/linuxos From bradyh at bitstream.net Fri Oct 5 17:44:01 2001 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] writing USB drivers In-Reply-To: <3BBDFD11.70503@sodatrain.com> References: <20011005131143.U11074@real-time.com> <3BBDFD11.70503@sodatrain.com> Message-ID: <1002321810.17083.55.camel@lis.llewellyn.com> There's a good article USB driver creation in the latest Linux Journal. Brady > hello- > > Im looking to help a friend get into USB driver development. Can anyone > point me to good resources, or offer any advice? > > He has some tools from jungo.com or something like that. He understands > the protocol, and wants to write the drivers for a prodcut he is working on. > > thx From houle at citilink.com Fri Oct 5 18:23:01 2001 From: houle at citilink.com (T.erry Houle) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next months topic Message-ID: <200110052307.SAA10996@citycenter.citilink.com> In regard to Scott Dier's question on what topics people would like I would like to see some stuff for us rookies. I go to some of the general meetings but most of it flies way over my head and I hope to absorb some. I am very familiar with computer user groups and realize it is a difficult task because the audience generally covers the gamut. Also realizing that most at the meetings seem very knowledgable and possibly administrators. Yet for those of us trying to get into it some basic stuff at the beginning or something would be very much appreciated. Since I think the goal is to expand Linux but it is hard to get a start. -- Terry Houle, houle@citilink.com on 10/05/2001 From nate at techie.com Fri Oct 5 18:44:00 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next months topic In-Reply-To: <1002320517.22629.8.camel@teela>; from dieman@ringworld.org on Fri, Oct 05, 2001 at 05:21:57PM -0500 References: <1002320517.22629.8.camel@teela> Message-ID: <20011005184504.A6952@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Fri, Oct 05, 2001 at 05:21:57PM -0500, Scott M. Dier wrote: > I really want to get next months meeting organised *now*. So, let me > know if you have any ideas about what intrests you all have for a > meeting. I think we need to post a list of requested topics off the web page somewhere. That way we can find out what topics many people are interested in. Then knowledgeable or ambitious members of the group can volunteer for topics. Recently I've heard interest in backup strategies for the home user. I could probably give a presentation on some cool features of ViM. I think it would be nice to have someone do a mirror presentation on Emacs. Other ideas? Nate From fish at slava.net Fri Oct 5 19:04:01 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next months topic References: <1002320517.22629.8.camel@teela> <20011005184504.A6952@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <3BBE49C2.2020504@slava.net> > > >I could probably give a presentation on some cool features of ViM. I >think it would be nice to have someone do a mirror presentation on >Emacs. > I like this idea, if not only because people are always asking me how to do stuff in emacs and I have never, ever used it. Wouldn't mind learning more about vim either.... Plus this is something that won't go over my head. As someone pretty new to this ("this" being using more than about 7 commands), I second Terry's concern! :) Lorry From fish at slava.net Fri Oct 5 19:07:01 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Monthly Meetings References: <20011004203501.C681@iaxs.net> Message-ID: <3BBE49FD.3020900@slava.net> I, for one, do not care which Saturday it's on. All of mine are uneventful! Scott Raun wrote: >Not to open a can of worms - but is there a possibility that some >months the meeting could be on the second Saturday instead of the >first? My first Saturday is practically ALWAYS booked with family and >a prior social commitment - but I could make second Saturdays most >months! > From florin at iucha.net Fri Oct 5 19:35:01 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next months topic In-Reply-To: <1002320517.22629.8.camel@teela>; from dieman@ringworld.org on Fri, Oct 05, 2001 at 05:21:57PM -0500 References: <1002320517.22629.8.camel@teela> Message-ID: <20011005193404.A21458@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Oct 05, 2001 at 05:21:57PM -0500, Scott M. Dier wrote: > I really want to get next months meeting organised *now*. So, let me > know if you have any ideas about what intrests you all have for a > meeting. > > Mostly because I want to get more campus involvement going, and being > able to spam some areas beforehand with posters helps if I know whats > going on more than a week before. :) > > So, please spam your thoughts into this topic :) One word: BACKUP. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011005/85a320f1/attachment.pgp From dieman at ringworld.org Fri Oct 5 19:53:01 2001 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott M. Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Monthly Meeting Announcement In-Reply-To: <20011004192719.B3959@fandre.com> References: <20011004192719.B3959@fandre.com> Message-ID: <1002329497.24249.12.camel@teela> The meeting will be in eecs 3-180. I'll post a sign on Akerman 319 too so people know. Sorry all for the confusion. We will be more organised next month. Thanks goes to ACM and John Hickey for getting some things sorted out at the last minute, and Ben + Eric and the IMA for getting the room sorted out. Thanks all. On Thu, 2001-10-04 at 19:27, Clay Fandre wrote: > What: > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Monthly Meeting > > When: > Saturday October 6th, 2001 noon - 2pm > > Topic: > Procmail - http://www.procmail.org > > Where: > University of Minnesota Akerman 319, EE/CS ROOM 12-2 > It's right next door to the CS building. > http://onestop.umn.edu/Maps/EECSci/index.html > > Hope to see you there! > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-announce mailing list > tclug-announce@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ irc://irc.openprojects.net/linuxos From shane at pinnacle.schulte.org Fri Oct 5 22:18:01 2001 From: shane at pinnacle.schulte.org (Shane Kinney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Monthly Meetings In-Reply-To: <3BBE49FD.3020900@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011005221549.X43107-100000@pinnacle.schulte.org> Hmmm...board? Come and waste time on irc.openprojects.net #tclug ~Shane (l0z3r) :) On Fri, 5 Oct 2001, Lorry wrote: > I, for one, do not care which Saturday it's on. All of mine are uneventful! > > Scott Raun wrote: > > >Not to open a can of worms - but is there a possibility that some > >months the meeting could be on the second Saturday instead of the > >first? My first Saturday is practically ALWAYS booked with family and > >a prior social commitment - but I could make second Saturdays most > >months! > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dieman at ringworld.org Fri Oct 5 22:25:20 2001 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott M. Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Monthly Meeting Announcement In-Reply-To: <1002329497.24249.12.camel@teela> References: <20011004192719.B3959@fandre.com> <1002329497.24249.12.camel@teela> Message-ID: <1002338631.24224.17.camel@teela> Actually, now I'm being told its probally still Akerman 319. Nobody wants to give me a straight answer. There will be a sign on one of the two rooms :) Kill me! On Fri, 2001-10-05 at 19:51, Scott M. Dier wrote: > The meeting will be in eecs 3-180. I'll post a sign on Akerman 319 too > so people know. > > Sorry all for the confusion. We will be more organised next month. > > Thanks goes to ACM and John Hickey for getting some things sorted out at > the last minute, and Ben + Eric and the IMA for getting the room sorted > out. > > Thanks all. > > On Thu, 2001-10-04 at 19:27, Clay Fandre wrote: > > What: > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Monthly Meeting > > > > When: > > Saturday October 6th, 2001 noon - 2pm > > > > Topic: > > Procmail - http://www.procmail.org > > > > Where: > > University of Minnesota Akerman 319, EE/CS ROOM 12-2 > > It's right next door to the CS building. > > http://onestop.umn.edu/Maps/EECSci/index.html > > > > Hope to see you there! > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-announce mailing list > > tclug-announce@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- > Scott Dier > http://www.ringworld.org/ irc://irc.openprojects.net/linuxos > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ irc://irc.openprojects.net/linuxos From dieman at ringworld.org Fri Oct 5 22:31:01 2001 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott M. Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Monthly Meeting Announcement In-Reply-To: <1002338631.24224.17.camel@teela> References: <20011004192719.B3959@fandre.com> <1002329497.24249.12.camel@teela> <1002338631.24224.17.camel@teela> Message-ID: <1002338947.24250.20.camel@teela> In case im confusing anyone *the speaker is still coming* so come still :) Its all about procmail, as stated below. On Fri, 2001-10-05 at 22:23, Scott M. Dier wrote: > Actually, now I'm being told its probally still Akerman 319. Nobody > wants to give me a straight answer. There will be a sign on one of the > two rooms :) Kill me! > > On Fri, 2001-10-05 at 19:51, Scott M. Dier wrote: > > The meeting will be in eecs 3-180. I'll post a sign on Akerman 319 too > > so people know. > > > > Sorry all for the confusion. We will be more organised next month. > > > > Thanks goes to ACM and John Hickey for getting some things sorted out at > > the last minute, and Ben + Eric and the IMA for getting the room sorted > > out. > > > > Thanks all. > > > > On Thu, 2001-10-04 at 19:27, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > What: > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Monthly Meeting > > > > > > When: > > > Saturday October 6th, 2001 noon - 2pm > > > > > > Topic: > > > Procmail - http://www.procmail.org > > > > > > Where: > > > University of Minnesota Akerman 319, EE/CS ROOM 12-2 > > > It's right next door to the CS building. > > > http://onestop.umn.edu/Maps/EECSci/index.html > > > > > > Hope to see you there! > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > > tclug-announce mailing list > > > tclug-announce@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > > Scott Dier > > http://www.ringworld.org/ irc://irc.openprojects.net/linuxos > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- > Scott Dier > http://www.ringworld.org/ irc://irc.openprojects.net/linuxos > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ irc://irc.openprojects.net/linuxos From andy at theasis.com Fri Oct 5 22:36:01 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Monthly Meeting Announcement In-Reply-To: <1002338947.24250.20.camel@teela> Message-ID: > In case im confusing anyone *the speaker is still coming* so come still > :) Yeah, we may have Marty stand in the under-construction "green area" on the corner of Oak & Washington, holding up his 12" Sony Vaio laptop. It's okay, tho, cuz I have a laser pointer. Andy > Its all about procmail, as stated below. > > On Fri, 2001-10-05 at 22:23, Scott M. Dier wrote: > > Actually, now I'm being told its probally still Akerman 319. Nobody > > wants to give me a straight answer. There will be a sign on one of the > > two rooms :) Kill me! > > > > On Fri, 2001-10-05 at 19:51, Scott M. Dier wrote: > > > The meeting will be in eecs 3-180. I'll post a sign on Akerman 319 too > > > so people know. > > > > > > Sorry all for the confusion. We will be more organised next month. > > > > > > Thanks goes to ACM and John Hickey for getting some things sorted out at > > > the last minute, and Ben + Eric and the IMA for getting the room sorted > > > out. > > > > > > Thanks all. > > > > > > On Thu, 2001-10-04 at 19:27, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > > What: > > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Monthly Meeting > > > > > > > > When: > > > > Saturday October 6th, 2001 noon - 2pm > > > > > > > > Topic: > > > > Procmail - http://www.procmail.org > > > > > > > > Where: > > > > University of Minnesota Akerman 319, EE/CS ROOM 12-2 > > > > It's right next door to the CS building. > > > > http://onestop.umn.edu/Maps/EECSci/index.html > > > > > > > > Hope to see you there! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > > > tclug-announce mailing list > > > > tclug-announce@mn-linux.org > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > -- > > > Scott Dier > > > http://www.ringworld.org/ irc://irc.openprojects.net/linuxos > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > > Scott Dier > > http://www.ringworld.org/ irc://irc.openprojects.net/linuxos > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tmechanic at mn.mediaone.net Sat Oct 6 00:10:02 2001 From: tmechanic at mn.mediaone.net (BT) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] writing USB drivers References: <20011005131143.U11074@real-time.com> <3BBDFD11.70503@sodatrain.com> Message-ID: <3BBE9268.77D2E57A@mn.mediaone.net> This months Linux Journal has a good article on writing USB drivers. duncan wrote: > hello- > > Im looking to help a friend get into USB driver development. Can anyone > point me to good resources, or offer any advice? > > He has some tools from jungo.com or something like that. He understands > the protocol, and wants to write the drivers for a prodcut he is working on. > > thx > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Sat Oct 6 03:52:01 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 7.2 is complete Message-ID: <20011006035111.T5508@real-time.com> 7.2 is completely downloaded, I'm wait for an explaination on why the perms are still turned off. The list was talking an Oct 15th release, then a Oct 26th. Then the thread just died. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From carlos at real-time.com Sat Oct 6 08:10:02 2001 From: carlos at real-time.com (Carlos Sabo -Real Time email) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Php nuke -- probably more swiss-cheese than early versions of sen dmail or sun's rpc In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF85@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: > From: Austad, Jay > > If you're thinking about running PHP-nuke, don't. Just search the bugtraq > archives at securityfocus.com to see why. Sad. What alternatives are there to it? From dieman at ringworld.org Sat Oct 6 09:13:00 2001 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott M. Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Monthly Meeting Announcement In-Reply-To: <20011004192719.B3959@fandre.com> References: <20011004192719.B3959@fandre.com> Message-ID: <1002329497.24249.12.camel@teela> The meeting will be in eecs 3-180. I'll post a sign on Akerman 319 too so people know. Sorry all for the confusion. We will be more organised next month. Thanks goes to ACM and John Hickey for getting some things sorted out at the last minute, and Ben + Eric and the IMA for getting the room sorted out. Thanks all. On Thu, 2001-10-04 at 19:27, Clay Fandre wrote: > What: > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Monthly Meeting > > When: > Saturday October 6th, 2001 noon - 2pm > > Topic: > Procmail - http://www.procmail.org > > Where: > University of Minnesota Akerman 319, EE/CS ROOM 12-2 > It's right next door to the CS building. > http://onestop.umn.edu/Maps/EECSci/index.html > > Hope to see you there! > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-announce mailing list > tclug-announce@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ irc://irc.openprojects.net/linuxos _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From clay at fandre.com Sat Oct 6 10:04:00 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next months topic In-Reply-To: <200110052307.SAA10996@citycenter.citilink.com> References: <200110052307.SAA10996@citycenter.citilink.com> Message-ID: <20011006100338.C18973@fandre.com> This is why we really need to have an installfest. I am working on getting scheduling one for November. -- Clay On Fri, 05 Oct 2001, T.erry Houle wrote: > In regard to Scott Dier's question on what topics people would like I > would like to see some stuff for us rookies. I go to some of the > general meetings but most of it flies way over my head and I hope to > absorb some. I am very familiar with computer user groups and > realize it is a difficult task because the audience generally covers > the gamut. Also realizing that most at the meetings seem very > knowledgable and possibly administrators. > Yet for those of us trying to get into it some basic stuff at the > beginning or something would be very much appreciated. Since I think > the goal is to expand Linux but it is hard to get a start. > > > -- > Terry Houle, houle@citilink.com on 10/05/2001 > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at sistina.com Sat Oct 6 11:04:01 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] new to the list! In-Reply-To: <001e01c14dba$fb6d88c0$840ef518@mn.mediaone.net>; from rahrenstorff@yahoo.com on Fri, Oct 05, 2001 at 11:30:00AM -0500 References: <001e01c14dba$fb6d88c0$840ef518@mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20011006110355.A1016@llama.dolly-llama.org> On Fri, Oct 05, 2001 at 11:30:00AM -0500, Yahoo mail wrote: > Would like to say hello...relatively new to Mineeapolis and just found > your club. I'm a Linux newbie running 8.1 Mandrake and learning > quickly. Hope to make one of the meetings soon. Welcome to the LUG! Please don't post html mail as many peoples mailers are text only. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. "Front Towards Enemy" - Text on the front of an M-18 Claymore Mine -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011006/c83e5201/attachment.pgp From wilson at visi.com Sat Oct 6 11:08:01 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Php nuke -- probably more swiss-cheese than early versions of sen dmail or sun's rpc In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 6 Oct 2001, Carlos Sabo -Real Time email wrote: > > From: Austad, Jay > > > > If you're thinking about running PHP-nuke, don't. Just search the bugtraq > > archives at securityfocus.com to see why. Sad. > > What alternatives are there to it? There's a product for Zope called Squishdot that would do the job. Read more at http://www.zope.org/Members/chrisw/Squishdot -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Oct 6 14:23:01 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Php nuke -- probably more swiss-cheese than early ver sions of sen dmail or sun's rpc Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF86@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> http://scoop.kuro5shin.org or slashcode. -----Original Message----- From: Carlos Sabo -Real Time email [mailto:carlos@real-time.com] Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 8:08 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Php nuke -- probably more swiss-cheese than early versions of sen dmail or sun's rpc > From: Austad, Jay > > If you're thinking about running PHP-nuke, don't. Just search the bugtraq > archives at securityfocus.com to see why. Sad. What alternatives are there to it? _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Sat Oct 6 15:04:01 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Monthly Meeting Announcement In-Reply-To: <1002329497.24249.12.camel@teela>; from dieman@ringworld.org on Fri, Oct 05, 2001 at 07:51:37PM -0500 References: <20011004192719.B3959@fandre.com> <1002329497.24249.12.camel@teela> Message-ID: <20011006150331.U5508@real-time.com> Quoting Scott M. Dier (dieman@ringworld.org): > The meeting will be in eecs 3-180. I'll post a sign on Akerman 319 too > so people know. > > Sorry all for the confusion. We will be more organised next month. Actually the meeting was in Akerman 319, I got a little complaint. The building was locked all around. If I hadn't asked a maintenance person to let me in I would not been able to attend the meeting. We he opened the door, I saw the garbage can sitting there that probably held the door open. I don't think we should have meetings in buildings that aren't "open" on the weekends. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jim at herrick.net Sat Oct 6 15:18:01 2001 From: jim at herrick.net (Jim Herrick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Php nuke -- probably more swiss-cheese than early versions of sen dmail or sun's rpc References: <200110061701.f96H1DJ32231@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <00b501c14ea3$eb6efdc0$d129a541@host209> I've used both of these and can recommend them. Post Nuke: http://sourceforge.net/projects/post-nuke/ phpWebSite: http://sourceforge.net/projects/phpwebsite/ Jim > From: "Carlos Sabo -Real Time email" > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Php nuke -- probably more swiss-cheese than early versions of sen dmail or sun's rpc > > > From: Austad, Jay > > > > If you're thinking about running PHP-nuke, don't. Just search the bugtraq > > archives at securityfocus.com to see why. Sad. > > What alternatives are there to it? From marc at ds6.net Sat Oct 6 16:19:00 2001 From: marc at ds6.net (Marc A. Ohmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] graphical mailstat? Message-ID: <20011006161846.A4027@flanders.digsol.net> Does anyone remember the names of the graphical mail stat programs mentioned inthe meeting today? Or just know of a good one? I curretly use mailstat that came with procmail but something graphical that was continuously updated would be nice. -- Marc A. Ohmann Digital Solutions, Inc http://ds6.net marc@ds6.net From andy at theasis.com Sat Oct 6 16:26:00 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] graphical mailstat? In-Reply-To: <20011006161846.A4027@flanders.digsol.net> Message-ID: > Does anyone remember the names of the graphical mail stat programs > mentioned inthe meeting today? Or just know of a good one? I believe xbuffy and gbuffy. I'll doublecheck and include a note when we post the URL for the slides. Stay tuned... more probably this eve. Andy From marc at ds6.net Sat Oct 6 17:15:01 2001 From: marc at ds6.net (Marc A. Ohmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] graphical mailstat? In-Reply-To: ; from andy@theasis.com on Sat, Oct 06, 2001 at 04:24:46PM -0500 References: <20011006161846.A4027@flanders.digsol.net> Message-ID: <20011006171436.A8662@flanders.digsol.net> gbuffy works great! Exactly what I was looking for THX now if I could just get it to open mutt in x-term over ssh :-) marc On Sat, Oct 06, 2001 at 04:24:46PM -0500, andy@theasis.com wrote: > > > Does anyone remember the names of the graphical mail stat programs > > mentioned inthe meeting today? Or just know of a good one? > > I believe xbuffy and gbuffy. I'll doublecheck and include a note when we > post the URL for the slides. > > Stay tuned... more probably this eve. > > Andy > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Marc A. Ohmann Digital Solutions, Inc http://ds6.net marc@ds6.net From tl at assimilated.org Sat Oct 6 18:02:01 2001 From: tl at assimilated.org (tim lupfer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Php nuke -- probably more swiss-cheese than early versions of sen dmail or sun's rpc In-Reply-To: <00b501c14ea3$eb6efdc0$d129a541@host209> References: <200110061701.f96H1DJ32231@sprite.real-time.com> <00b501c14ea3$eb6efdc0$d129a541@host209> Message-ID: <15295.35865.520805.562452@matilda.assimilated.org> On Sat, 6 Oct 2001, jim@herrick.net wrote: > I've used both of these and can recommend them. > > Post Nuke: > http://sourceforge.net/projects/post-nuke/ postnuke is based on phpnuke I believe, and therefore I would presume that it would inherit at least some of the flaws originally mentioned. -- ============================================== timothy lupfer http://www.assimilated.org tl@assimilated.org tlupfe01@euclid.hamline.edu ============================================== Your business will go through a period of considerable expansion. From dieman at ringworld.org Sat Oct 6 18:05:04 2001 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott M. Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Php nuke -- probably more swiss-cheese than early ver sions of sen dmail or sun's rpc In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF86@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF86@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <1002409244.28400.0.camel@teela> On Sat, 2001-10-06 at 14:22, Austad, Jay wrote: > http://scoop.kuro5shin.org or slashcode. kuro5hin.org -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ irc://irc.openprojects.net/linuxos From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Oct 6 18:08:01 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Php nuke -- probably more swiss-cheese than early ver sions of sen dmail or sun's rpc Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF87@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Post nuke is based on PHPNuke. I would assume that the holes in many of the scripts are still present. They make no mention of security enhancements on their page or in their FAQ. Like I said before, PHPNuke is a really great concept, but has very poor security. PostNuke looks even better in terms of where the project is headed, but still wants you to chmod 777 all sorts of files on your box to use all of the features, and still uses much of the code from PHPNuke. What these projects need is a serious security audit of every line of code. Most of the problems arise from being able to pass arguments to the scripts that will run system binaries as the apache user. This is bad enough, but it's sometimes very simple to use this to exploit a local root exploit and gain root access fairly easily. Has anyone noticed how slow PHPNuke is also? I was talking to someone who was thinking about running it, and he said it makes a ton of db calls for every page served. Something which was poorly thought out from a performance standpoint. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Jim Herrick [mailto:jim@herrick.net] Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 3:17 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Php nuke -- probably more swiss-cheese than early versions of sen dmail or sun's rpc I've used both of these and can recommend them. Post Nuke: http://sourceforge.net/projects/post-nuke/ phpWebSite: http://sourceforge.net/projects/phpwebsite/ Jim > From: "Carlos Sabo -Real Time email" > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Php nuke -- probably more swiss-cheese than early versions of sen dmail or sun's rpc > > > From: Austad, Jay > > > > If you're thinking about running PHP-nuke, don't. Just search the bugtraq > > archives at securityfocus.com to see why. Sad. > > What alternatives are there to it? _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dieman at ringworld.org Sat Oct 6 18:10:57 2001 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott M. Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] new to the list! In-Reply-To: <20011006110355.A1016@llama.dolly-llama.org> References: <001e01c14dba$fb6d88c0$840ef518@mn.mediaone.net> <20011006110355.A1016@llama.dolly-llama.org> Message-ID: <1002409482.28400.2.camel@teela> On Sat, 2001-10-06 at 11:03, Ben Lutgens wrote: > > Would like to say hello...relatively new to Mineeapolis and just found > > your club. I'm a Linux newbie running 8.1 Mandrake and learning > > quickly. Hope to make one of the meetings soon. > Welcome to the LUG! Please don't post html mail as many peoples mailers are > text only. If your MUA cant figure out how to view the first text based portion of a MIME only email when there is no body text, find a new MUA. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ irc://irc.openprojects.net/linuxos From andy at theasis.com Sat Oct 6 20:33:00 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slides from Procmail presentation In-Reply-To: <20011006171436.A8662@flanders.digsol.net> Message-ID: Hey folks... Marty sends this message along: Thanks to everyone for coming along to hear and for being so welcoming...I had a blast! Hope no-one suffered lasting mental damage. If you want to get at the notes for the presentation, check out http://www.socialmotors.com/TCLUG/procmail/ We haven't had a chance to apply a couple error-correcting enhancements, but will do so soon. I'll drop an update here when we get around to it. Cheers, Andy From andy at theasis.com Sat Oct 6 20:35:19 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] graphical mailstat? Message-ID: Passing this on on behalf of Marty.... Andy ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 02:10:47 +0100 From: Martin McCarthy To: andy@theasis.com Subject: Re: [TCLUG] graphical mailstat? (fwd) > gbuffy works great! Exactly what I was looking for THX > > now if I could just get it to open mutt in x-term over ssh :-) This is what I'm using to get it to pop up a terminal with mutt through a tunnelled ssh session from my machine in Scotland right now... { mailboxes = ( { type = mbox; title = SLUG; path = "/milton/home/marty/mail/SLUG"; command = "Eterm -T Mutt -F '-adobe-courier-medium-r-normal-*-*-140-*-*-m-*-koi8-ub' --geometry 80x50 -e mutt -f /milton/home/marty/mail/SLUG"; }, { type = mbox; title = Linux; path = "/milton/home/marty/mail/linux"; command = "Eterm -T Mutt -F '-adobe-courier-medium-r-normal-*-*-140-*-*-m-*-koi8-ub' --geometry 80x50 -e mutt -f /milton/home/marty/mail/linux"; }, ... etc. BTW - thanks to everyone for coming along to hear and for being so welcoming...I had a blast! Hope no-one suffered lasting mental damage. Martin -- Martin McCarthy /\ http://www.ancient-scotland.co.uk / I just bought a printer, and I need to install ghostscript before I can install the drivers for the printer. So, I downloaded it and I read the README and so on, and I did 'make'. It goes along just fine for a while and then I get this: make: *** No rule to make target 'jpeg/jpeglib.h', needed by 'obj/jpeglib.h'. Stop. I went back to the install directions, and there was nothing about fixing an error like this. I tried all kinds of fixes for everything else it mentioned, adding and changing things in the makefile, changing it back how it was, changing something else, etc. Some of the changes mess it up so it stops sooner or doesn't work at all, but none of them can get it past this point. I have no idea what that message means or how to fix it, so I'm hoping one of you will have some clue. Thanks! Lorry (oh, and it's Slackware 7.1) From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sat Oct 6 21:30:01 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slides from Procmail presentation In-Reply-To: References: <20011006171436.A8662@flanders.digsol.net> Message-ID: <20011006212936.A12910@ringworld.org> > Thanks to everyone for coming along to hear and for being so > welcoming...I had a blast! Hope no-one suffered lasting mental > damage. Actually, I found something interesting that I didn't find covered in the book yet. Anyone know why this works? : :0 hfw * !^Content-Length: | /usr/bin/formail -a "Content-Length: 0000000000" I havent looked through the procmail source yet to figure out WTF its doing to actually get a correct value, but who knows. Any ideas? -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net "History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." - Justice Thurgood Marshall (1989) From mccloud at wiredhot.net Sat Oct 6 21:34:00 2001 From: mccloud at wiredhot.net (Bob McCloud) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Search engine gurus? In-Reply-To: <20010925224401.K19933@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3BBF7914.21134.1139448@localhost> Sorry about bringing up an old topic, but its been awhile since I checked the list. But, I have been doing some webpages lately and researching the SE's (search engines). The problems with search engines is that each one looks at things differently, rather they use different methods to determine placement. Its a full time job keeping up with it. Some of these suggestions are general, mostly SE's are trial and error. But, since google is mentioned here, I'll try to concentrate a little on that one. When you do a search in google, they give more relevance to the search word being in domain name, then the sub-directories, then the name of the files www.linux.com would be listed first www.computer.com/linux/ second www.computer.com/os/linux.html third that is if all things were equal. Its generally been accepted that meta tags are skipped over. But, sometimes that isnt true either. The robots tag is ignored, but the robots.txt is not. Google places relevancy on topic. If your title is linux and you spend more time mentioning FreeBsd, you loose relevancy. Rumor has it that the SE's are starting to look at ip address's. If your domain is virtual, that is you share the ip with 200 other sites, you loose relevancy. As mentioned in other posts, more relevancy is given to sites that have the most links to it. Reviewing the source for mn-linux.org is easy to tell that the meta tags are not what they could be. SE's will match the title with the description tag and the body, including the alt tags. In the description or keywords, any word mentioned more than three times is considered spam and ignored. Looking at the source the decription tag is in there twice, thats a no no. Rule of thumb is to mention your keywords three times in the body. Keywords could look something like this: tclug, twin cities, minneapolis, minnesota, mn, linux user groups, (some engines will sort plural), meetings, redhat help, debian help, suse, slackware, mandrake, mail list, downloads, linux help, linux commands, rpms, iso, organization, users, lunix, how to Then use the keywords at least three times each in some very well written copy in the body. Like this: Welcome to TCLUG the Twin Cities Linux User Group. Based in the Twin Cities, Minneapolis MN, TCLUG provides a group of volunteers for linux help whether your using RedHat, Mandrake, SuSE, slackware or other distributions. TCLUG holds meetings once a month and beer meetings twice a month, or whenever we get thirsty here in Minneapolis, MN or St. Paul Minnesota. Redhat, Mandrake, SuSE, slackware all have many versions and we try to give linux help with commands, installing and general how to information. We hold the InstallFest (meetings where we help you install linux) in and around the Twin Cities, Minneapolis, MN. I think you getting the point, be creative with the copy so you can get the keywords mentioned three times. To help with keywords go here, type in linux for the search and you will get the most used search words and phrases for linux: http://inventory.goto.com/d/searchinventory/suggestion/ Do this will all the pages, use different decriptions and keywords on each page, but at the sametime use the keywords from the main page, or index page. To get a search for Minnesota to work, add Minnesota to the title. Also put the title in the description, that helps sometimes. You might also try this site for a in-depth meeting held for search engines: http://www.infonortics.com/searchengines/sh01/slides- 01/sh01pro.html For all I know, all the this info may change tomorrow, heck, it may have changed yesterday. When it comes to search engines, trial and error and lot of good luck is needed. Hope this helps, Bob On 25 Sep 2001, at 22:44, Bob Tanner wrote: > Any search engine gurus out there? > > I'm hoping to find out what we need to do to get www.mn-linux.org to > show up 100(!) listing in google when someone searches for 'minnesota > linux'. > > Top 10 would be even better. > > I ask this, because a UofM professor did not know the tclug existed > until he found Real Time and we directed him to the lug. > > He searched for 'minnesota mn linux' and found Real Time before the > lug web site, which is just plain wrong. :-) > > Any hints? > > Do a view source, on the pages of the lug web site. Any > recommendations on keywords and entries? > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Sun Oct 7 12:47:00 2001 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (Jim Kaufman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ghostscript In-Reply-To: <3BBFB49D.8080008@slava.net>; from fish@slava.net on Sat, Oct 06, 2001 at 08:49:17PM -0500 References: <3BBFB49D.8080008@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011007124611.B13011@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> On Sat, Oct 06, 2001 at 08:49:17PM -0500, Lorry wrote: > I just bought a printer, and I need to install ghostscript before I can > install the drivers for the printer. > So, I downloaded it and I read the README and so on, and I did 'make'. > It goes along just fine for a while and then I get this: > make: *** No rule to make target 'jpeg/jpeglib.h', needed by > 'obj/jpeglib.h'. Stop. > > I went back to the install directions, and there was nothing about > fixing an error like this. I tried all kinds of fixes for everything > else it mentioned, adding and changing things in the makefile, changing > it back how it was, changing something else, etc. Some of the changes > mess it up so it stops sooner or doesn't work at all, but none of them > can get it past this point. I have no idea what that message means or > how to fix it, so I'm hoping one of you will have some clue. Thanks! > > Lorry > (oh, and it's Slackware 7.1) > Make sure you have installed the jpeg-devel package. It contains the header files you need to compile. If it wasn't installed, install it and re-run the configure script (if it exists), then make clean; make. If it was installed, look for jpeglib.h. It might be in /usr/include, but your Makefile is looking in /usr/include/jpeg. If the configure script figures out the location of jpeglib.h, great. If not, you could create the directory /usr/include/jpeg and move jpeglib.h there. Hope this makes sense. -- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Sun Oct 7 14:41:01 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIMDA, patches and time lines? Message-ID: <20011007144058.B30170@real-time.com> http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/comment/0,5859,2816490,00.html Even if your IIS server was patched did NIMDA still effect it? I thought it took 48hrs for MS to come out with a patch to "fix" the NIMDA virus. You're saying, what does this have to with Linux? I want to make sure I tell clients the facts about NIMDA and IIS so when I recommend Linux and Apache, they know I'm being honest. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From clay at fandre.com Sun Oct 7 14:58:01 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] graphical mailstat? In-Reply-To: <20011006171436.A8662@flanders.digsol.net> References: <20011006161846.A4027@flanders.digsol.net> <20011006171436.A8662@flanders.digsol.net> Message-ID: <20011007145755.A8727@fandre.com> On Sat, 06 Oct 2001, Marc A. Ohmann wrote: > gbuffy works great! Exactly what I was looking for THX > > now if I could just get it to open mutt in x-term over ssh :-) Try the -t option. $ xterm -e ssh -t remotehost mutt > > marc > > On Sat, Oct 06, 2001 at 04:24:46PM -0500, andy@theasis.com wrote: > > > > > Does anyone remember the names of the graphical mail stat programs > > > mentioned inthe meeting today? Or just know of a good one? > > > > I believe xbuffy and gbuffy. I'll doublecheck and include a note when we > > post the URL for the slides. > > > > Stay tuned... more probably this eve. > > > > Andy > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > Marc A. Ohmann > Digital Solutions, Inc > http://ds6.net > marc@ds6.net > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mike at getbent.net Sun Oct 7 17:58:01 2001 From: mike at getbent.net (Mike Nielsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Content Filter Message-ID: <01100717562900.15260@Dingo> Hi there, I have a scolastic client that is looking to use an IPTables based firewall. They are also looking for a content filter so the youngsters don't stumble onto smut. I don't think IPtables has anything like that but I'm sure there is a web proxy or two. (I searched Freashmeat and founds some) But I am interested if anyone here as implimented any and what you think of them? It would be nice to have something that does an auto update of smut sites so I don't have to show some little old lady how to add sites deemed innapropriate I could always just get them a Sonicwall with content filtering but I like to think there is an opensource solution. thoughts? -- ----------------------------- |\/|ike@GetBent.net From fish at slava.net Sun Oct 7 18:34:01 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ghostscript References: <3BBFB49D.8080008@slava.net> <20011007124611.B13011@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Message-ID: <3BC0E5BB.2040009@slava.net> Actually it did make sense. :) I created /usr/include/jpeg and moved the file there. A make clean and a make later, I get the same message. fun fun... Jim Kaufman wrote: >Make sure you have installed the jpeg-devel package. It contains the >header files you need to compile. If it wasn't installed, install it and >re-run the configure script (if it exists), then make clean; make. > >If it was installed, look for jpeglib.h. It might be in /usr/include, >but your Makefile is looking in /usr/include/jpeg. If the configure >script figures out the location of jpeglib.h, great. If not, you could >create the directory /usr/include/jpeg and move jpeglib.h there. > >Hope this makes sense. > From dmblevins at mediaone.net Sun Oct 7 18:42:00 2001 From: dmblevins at mediaone.net (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slides from Procmail presentation In-Reply-To: <20011006212936.A12910@ringworld.org> Message-ID: > Actually, I found something interesting that I didn't find covered > the book yet. Anyone know why this works? : > > :0 hfw > * !^Content-Length: > | /usr/bin/formail -a "Content-Length: 0000000000" > > I havent looked through the procmail source yet to figure out WTF its > doing to actually get a correct value, but who knows. > > Any ideas? This is a filter, so whatever it does replaces the original email. Basically, once you pipe the email into the program, you can't get it back into your procmail recipe so the output of the program is just sent to the main mailbox. As far as what it does, let's see. It passes in the whole header and not the body. If the 'Content-Length:' header is not there, pipe the header into the formail command which will add it for us. The 'w' says to wait till formail returns until ending the recipe. If I understand this correctly, the new header will replace the entire original email, body and all. This doesn't seem that useful to me, but might make more sense depending on what the other recopies are doing. I haven't tried it so I can't be sure. Have you ran this recipe? David Blevins From crobins at boreal.org Sun Oct 7 19:37:02 2001 From: crobins at boreal.org (Charles & Jeanne Robinson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Unknown paper size: (Letter). Message-ID: <3.0.3.16.20011007193609.432734a6@pop.prodigy.net> Greetings: I am sort of a newbie in that I have resurrected my interest in Linux after a several year lapse. I recently installed the Corel Linux O.S., including WordPerfect 9, Quattro Pro 9, & Presentations 9. My problem seems to be unrelated to WordPerfect. Anything that I print, whether it be from WordPerfect or lpr, the first line on the first page is: Unknown paper size: (Letter). I've looked all over setup files and all and I haven't found whatever default or lack of default is causing it. Thanks in advance Chuck Robinson From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sun Oct 7 19:51:01 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Slides from Procmail presentation In-Reply-To: References: <20011006212936.A12910@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20011007195002.F16977@ringworld.org> > I haven't tried it so I can't be sure. Have you ran this recipe? Yes, and it sets the correct Content-Length value by filling in the 0000's with the length of the body. So why does it work? -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net "History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." - Justice Thurgood Marshall (1989) From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sun Oct 7 19:54:02 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Content Filter In-Reply-To: <01100717562900.15260@Dingo> References: <01100717562900.15260@Dingo> Message-ID: <20011007195202.G16977@ringworld.org> * Mike Nielsen [011007 18:01]: > onto smut. I don't think IPtables has anything like that but I'm sure there squid + squidfilter (right, thats what its called again, squidfilter?) In any case, its not a solution. A solution is to teach people: A) Dont browse these things on purpouse B) If you see it by mistake, close your window C) If you have trouble with this, find an adult to help you close the window. If the adult is appaled at this, perhaps they shouldn't be using the internet or just whitelist a couple 'ok' sites and not call it internet access. The internet isn't your neighborhood. :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net "History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." - Justice Thurgood Marshall (1989) From fish at slava.net Sun Oct 7 20:58:00 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] email progs -- HELP! Message-ID: <3BC10775.6000401@slava.net> OK, I was already getting mad at Mozilla mail, and now some idiot is sending me huge attachments that are obviously viruses I do not want, and even with the filter on to delete it, it still downloads it into the trash folder. Or at least it tries to, and runs out of room, and I get an error message and I can't download any of my mail. So now I have to download my mail using hotmail. This sucks. I've been trying to figure out mutt, but it is just too much for my little brain. The manual tells me how to do everything except download my mail. I'm so lost in this. Can someone please help me before my head implodes from too much hotmail exposure??? I'm willing to try any email program as long as I can do something somewhere that will let me delete from server, so if you think mutt is too hard to explain to someone like me, feel free to suggest an alternative. Thanks Lorry From thomas at stderr.net Sun Oct 7 21:13:01 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] email progs -- HELP! In-Reply-To: <3BC10775.6000401@slava.net>; from fish@slava.net on Sun, Oct 07, 2001 at 08:55:01PM -0500 References: <3BC10775.6000401@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011008041316.E87566@io.stderr.net> On Sun, Oct 07, 2001 at 08:55:01PM -0500, Lorry wrote: > OK, I was already getting mad at Mozilla mail, and now some idiot is > sending me huge attachments that are obviously viruses I do not want, > and even with the filter on to delete it, it still downloads it into the > trash folder. Or at least it tries to, and runs out of room, and I get > an error message and I can't download any of my mail. So now I have to > download my mail using hotmail. This sucks. > I've been trying to figure out mutt, but it is just too much for my > little brain. The manual tells me how to do everything except download > my mail. I'm so lost in this. Can someone please help me before my > head implodes from too much hotmail exposure??? I'm willing to try any > email program as long as I can do something somewhere that will let me > delete from server, so if you think mutt is too hard to explain to > someone like me, feel free to suggest an alternative. I wont suggest an alternative, 'cause I like mutt. Here is something you might find usefull: http://www.rdrop.com/docs/mutt/manual149.html You have made a .muttrc already? -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From marc at ds6.net Sun Oct 7 22:16:01 2001 From: marc at ds6.net (Marc A. Ohmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] email progs -- HELP! In-Reply-To: <3BC10775.6000401@slava.net>; from fish@slava.net on Sun, Oct 07, 2001 at 08:55:01PM -0500 References: <3BC10775.6000401@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011007221549.A22959@flanders.digsol.net> Although you can download from pop, imap, ... with mutt, you generally won't want to. By running fetchmail and filtering through procmail you can delete anything you don't want before you ever run mutt. You could use procmail to send large messages directly to /dev/null so you don't risk running out of space. Then you can run mutt on one of the mailboxes that contains only messages you want. Once you get to know mutt you can greatly increase your e-mailing efficiency. Otherwise, if you just want to delete a message off the server (if its pop3) you can telnet to port 110, type USER , PASS , LIST , this will list the messages by an index no. with a size. Then you can DELE to delete anything that is too large. -- Marc A. Ohmann Digital Solutions, Inc http://ds6.net marc@ds6.net From fish at slava.net Sun Oct 7 22:45:01 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] email progs -- HELP! References: <3BC10775.6000401@slava.net> <20011008041316.E87566@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <3BC120A2.3050404@slava.net> Yay! Thanks, I got it working and now I can receive (but still not send) mail in mutt. I thought I had made a .muttrc earlier, but realized that what I did before didn't actually create a file. But I have one now. As for using fetchmail instead, I looked at that before dl'ing mutt, and I couldn't figure out how to configure that either. Maybe I'm just real thick, but the man page doesn't seem very helpful. At least I know about procmail now, and I don't have to ask about *every* thing that's being mentioned. Lorry Thomas Eibner wrote: >I wont suggest an alternative, 'cause I like mutt. Here is something you >might find usefull: > >http://www.rdrop.com/docs/mutt/manual149.html > >You have made a .muttrc already? > From thomas at stderr.net Sun Oct 7 22:53:00 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] email progs -- HELP! In-Reply-To: <3BC120A2.3050404@slava.net>; from fish@slava.net on Sun, Oct 07, 2001 at 10:42:26PM -0500 References: <3BC10775.6000401@slava.net> <20011008041316.E87566@io.stderr.net> <3BC120A2.3050404@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011008055253.G87566@io.stderr.net> On Sun, Oct 07, 2001 at 10:42:26PM -0500, Lorry wrote: > Yay! Thanks, I got it working and now I can receive (but still not > send) mail in mutt. > I thought I had made a .muttrc earlier, but realized that what I did > before didn't actually create a file. > But I have one now. You need a local mail transfer agent configured either to send mail via a smarthost or send the mail directly. I can recommend using exim if you just want it to send mail via a smarthost. (At least debian has the neat eximconfig script) -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From blutgens at sistina.com Sun Oct 7 23:14:01 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] email progs -- HELP! In-Reply-To: <3BC120A2.3050404@slava.net>; from fish@slava.net on Sun, Oct 07, 2001 at 10:42:26PM -0500 References: <3BC10775.6000401@slava.net> <20011008041316.E87566@io.stderr.net> <3BC120A2.3050404@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011007231434.A5815@llama.dolly-llama.org> On Sun, Oct 07, 2001 at 10:42:26PM -0500, Lorry wrote: > >As for using fetchmail instead, I looked at that before dl'ing mutt, and >I couldn't figure out how to configure that either. Maybe I'm just real >thick, but the man page doesn't seem very helpful. One of the things about using unix is that some man pages have a whole lot of information but are hard to understand at first. There is fetchmailconf ( I think it comes with fetchmail ) to help configuring that. For most pop stuff all you need is this. poll mail.yourisp.com with proto POP3: user there has password is here To send that directly to procmail you can add another line that says and wants mda "/usr/bin/procmail -d %T" But this may be undesirable because if there's a problem with your filters the mail goes off into never-never land. It's much safer to send it to an MTA (I'd recommend exim cause it kicks ass) In which case you can use exim's filters which are a little easier to read and write. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. "Front Towards Enemy" - Text on the front of an M-18 Claymore Mine -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Most distros have ssmtp which is just a /usr/lib/sendmail binary, but this isn't always feasible (read: laptops) because there's no queuing of mail. > >I can recommend using exim if you just want it to send mail via a >smarthost. (At least debian has the neat eximconfig script) > >-- > Thomas Eibner DnsZone > mod_pointer > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. "Front Towards Enemy" - Text on the front of an M-18 Claymore Mine -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Christianson 20 NE Second St. #1005 Minneapolis, MN 55413 (612) 327-6654 hans@friedchicken.org From natecars at real-time.com Mon Oct 8 09:24:09 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Content Filter In-Reply-To: <01100717562900.15260@Dingo> Message-ID: On Sun, 7 Oct 2001, Mike Nielsen wrote: > I have a scolastic client that is looking to use an IPTables based firewall. > They are also looking for a content filter so the youngsters don't stumble > onto smut. I don't think IPtables has anything like that but I'm sure there > is a web proxy or two. (I searched Freashmeat and founds some) But I am > interested if anyone here as implimented any and what you think of them? Squid. It rules. Never used it to block smut, but I know squid itself rocks. :) > It would be nice to have something that does an auto update of smut > sites so I don't have to show some little old lady how to add sites > deemed innapropriate Hmm.. don't know of any free lists like this.. but hey, I'm sure you could figure something out. :) > I could always just get them a Sonicwall with content filtering but I like to > think there is an opensource solution. EWW! I hate Sonicwall. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From bob.nolte at pc4u.com Mon Oct 8 09:37:00 2001 From: bob.nolte at pc4u.com (Bob Nolte) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Free Old Notebook Message-ID: <002201c15006$deff1750$5800000a@home.pc4u.com> I'm moving, and have an old PCExpress 486 color notebook with 20mb of RAM and small harddrive. It runs and has Win95 loaded on it. It's available free to the first person that gets here to get it. I'm going to have to unsubscribe to tclug-list@mn-linux.org tomorrow, so respond quickly if you're interested. Bob Nolte 952-941-2192 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011008/13b6dde1/attachment.htm From bob.nolte at pc4u.com Mon Oct 8 09:52:01 2001 From: bob.nolte at pc4u.com (Bob Nolte) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Free Old Notebook References: <002201c15006$deff1750$5800000a@home.pc4u.com> Message-ID: <003401c15008$ef75cdc0$5800000a@home.pc4u.com> Doug got to me first. The notebook now has a new owner. Bob Nolte ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Nolte To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 9:38 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Free Old Notebook I'm moving, and have an old PCExpress 486 color notebook with 20mb of RAM and small harddrive. It runs and has Win95 loaded on it. It's available free to the first person that gets here to get it. I'm going to have to unsubscribe to tclug-list@mn-linux.org tomorrow, so respond quickly if you're interested. Bob Nolte 952-941-2192 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011008/c0d30885/attachment.html From churchill_dan at htc.honeywell.com Mon Oct 8 10:55:01 2001 From: churchill_dan at htc.honeywell.com (Churchill, Dan (MN65)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Content Filter Message-ID: As an alternative to Sonic Wall, you could set them up with a Firebox from WatchGuard Technologies: http://www.watchguard.com/products/firebox.asp It is a commercial solution, but WatchGuard, if I understand correctly, has been a big supporter of open source software (of course, this is to their own benefit, too, but who can blame them for that). This is taken directly from the IPChains HOWTO: "You can buy off-the-shelf firewalls. An excellent one is WatchGuard's FireBox. It's excellent because I like it, it's secure, it's Linux-based, and because they funded the maintenance of ipchains as well as the new firewalling code (for 2.4). In short, WatchGuard were paying for me to eat while I work for you. So please consider their stuff." I have set up a couple of Firebox II units for a high school, and while you certainly have to know what it is you're doing with regards to setting up a firewall, the setup and configuration was straightforward, and the boxes have been quite stable and their performance is quite good. -Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Nate Carlson > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 9:24 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Content Filter > > > On Sun, 7 Oct 2001, Mike Nielsen wrote: > > I have a scolastic client that is looking to use an > IPTables based firewall. > > They are also looking for a content filter so the > youngsters don't stumble > > onto smut. I don't think IPtables has anything like that > but I'm sure there > > is a web proxy or two. (I searched Freashmeat and founds > some) But I am > > interested if anyone here as implimented any and what you > think of them? > > Squid. It rules. Never used it to block smut, but I know squid itself > rocks. :) > > > It would be nice to have something that does an auto update of smut > > sites so I don't have to show some little old lady how to add sites > > deemed innapropriate > > Hmm.. don't know of any free lists like this.. but hey, I'm > sure you could > figure something out. :) > > > I could always just get them a Sonicwall with content > filtering but I like to > > think there is an opensource solution. > > EWW! I hate Sonicwall. :) > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Oct 8 11:02:00 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Content Filter In-Reply-To: <20011007195202.G16977@ringworld.org> References: <01100717562900.15260@Dingo> <20011007195202.G16977@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20011008160156.A63624502@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> I've used squid to do it. Squid is great, but content filters, in general, suck. For squid, you can use squidblock: http://www.hklc.com/squidblock/ And the slightly more intelignet squidguard http://www.squidgaurd.org But I have to agree with Scott. There is no better content filter than human eyes. If you don't have time to supervise children's net usage, turn off the computer. -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Oct 8 11:13:01 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] email progs -- HELP! In-Reply-To: <20011007231434.A5815@llama.dolly-llama.org> References: <3BC10775.6000401@slava.net> <3BC120A2.3050404@slava.net> <20011007231434.A5815@llama.dolly-llama.org> Message-ID: <20011008161200.DD6DC4502@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> > To send that directly to procmail you can add another line that says > and wants mda "/usr/bin/procmail -d %T" > Most packaged MTA's on Linux deliver mail via procmail in the first place so you shouldn't need such a line in your fetchmail config. I know that postfix (better than exim! :P), exim, and sendmail in Debian do this. Sendmail on RedHat and Mandrake did in earlier versions. I suggest postfix as an MTA. It's much easier than sendmail to configure. On Debian, postfix and exim are pretty easy to configre because the post-inst scripts will spit out a decent configuration. Anyway, go with exim or postfix. Take a side in the MTA holy war.... -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Oct 8 11:17:25 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] email progs -- HELP! Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF8B@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Kmail works quite well. -----Original Message----- From: Hans P. Christianson [mailto:hans@friedchicken.org] Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 11:54 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] email progs -- HELP! I found a nice howto telling you how to replace sendmail with qmail. I've been running that for a few months now and I love it. It also works well with fetchmail. Your .fetchmailrc should have the line poll your.mail.server user "username" pass "password" smtpname "your.local.mail" I think I remember it not working without the quotes. This should work regardless of whether you use sendmail, qmail or whatever. --- H. P. Christianson 20 NE Second St. #1005 Minneapolis, MN 55413 (612) 327-6654 hans@friedchicken.org _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hans at friedchicken.org Mon Oct 8 11:20:49 2001 From: hans at friedchicken.org (Hans P. Christianson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Content Filter In-Reply-To: <20011008160156.A63624502@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: My parents always encouraged me to look at questionable sites. I think they thought it made me more normal. --- H. P. Christianson 20 NE Second St. #1005 Minneapolis, MN 55413 (612) 327-6654 hans@friedchicken.org On Mon, 8 Oct 2001, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > I've used squid to do it. Squid is great, but content filters, in general, > suck. > > For squid, you can use squidblock: > http://www.hklc.com/squidblock/ > > And the slightly more intelignet squidguard > http://www.squidgaurd.org > > But I have to agree with Scott. There is no better content filter than human > eyes. If you don't have time to supervise children's net usage, turn off the > computer. > > -- > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org > "We can learn much more from wise words, little > from wisecracks and less from wise guys." > --William Arthur Ward > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Oct 8 11:23:10 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIMDA, patches and time lines? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF8C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Well, Nimda played upon the fact that lazy admins didn't install previous security patches. Those patches had been available for some time (both the IIS and the IE patches). -----Original Message----- From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 2:41 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] NIMDA, patches and time lines? http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/comment/0,5859,2816490,00.html Even if your IIS server was patched did NIMDA still effect it? I thought it took 48hrs for MS to come out with a patch to "fix" the NIMDA virus. You're saying, what does this have to with Linux? I want to make sure I tell clients the facts about NIMDA and IIS so when I recommend Linux and Apache, they know I'm being honest. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Mon Oct 8 11:27:52 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Content Filter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Oct 2001, Churchill, Dan (MN65) wrote: > As an alternative to Sonic Wall, you could set them up with a Firebox from > WatchGuard Technologies: > http://www.watchguard.com/products/firebox.asp > > It is a commercial solution, but WatchGuard, if I understand correctly, has > been a big supporter of open source software (of course, this is to their > own benefit, too, but who can blame them for that). This is taken directly > from the IPChains HOWTO: > > "You can buy off-the-shelf firewalls. An excellent one is WatchGuard's > FireBox. It's excellent because I like it, it's secure, it's Linux-based, > and because they funded the maintenance of ipchains as well as the new > firewalling code (for 2.4). In short, WatchGuard were paying for me to eat > while I work for you. So please consider their stuff." > > I have set up a couple of Firebox II units for a high school, and while you > certainly have to know what it is you're doing with regards to setting up a > firewall, the setup and configuration was straightforward, and the boxes > have been quite stable and their performance is quite good. Ugh, I've blown up way too many fireboxes by just setting the wrong things with their config program. My recommendation is to avoid them like the plague.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Oct 8 11:45:02 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: email progs -- HELP! In-Reply-To: <20011008161200.DD6DC4502@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> References: <3BC10775.6000401@slava.net> <3BC120A2.3050404@slava.net> <20011007231434.A5815@llama.dolly-llama.org> <20011008161200.DD6DC4502@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011008114427.N16977@ringworld.org> * Andy Zbikowski [011008 11:13]: > Anyway, go with exim or postfix. Take a side in the MTA holy war.... And, when you can configure clients with a configuration as easy as this: ----------- queue_directory = /var/spool/postfix command_directory = /usr/sbin daemon_directory = /usr/lib/postfix mydomain = cs.umn.edu mail_owner = postfix myorigin = cs.umn.edu mydestination = relayhost = mail.cs.umn.edu ----------- You know something has to be good about this MTA :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net "History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." - Justice Thurgood Marshall (1989) From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Oct 8 12:08:02 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIMDA, patches and time lines? In-Reply-To: <20011007144058.B30170@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 7 Oct 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Even if your IIS server was patched did NIMDA still effect it? I thought it took > 48hrs for MS to come out with a patch to "fix" the NIMDA virus. The patches were available for some time. It took nearly 48 hours for some of the anti-virus companies to release their sigs though. If you weren't patched, heard the news, then patched, NIMDA could have affected the system in that time and depending on what AV software you were running you wouldn't know for 24-48 hours. I saw an interesting post on /. about a guy who was aware of NIMDA, had his IIS servers patched, was running IE6, and STILL GOT IT. Someone on his network got the e-mail before IE was patched and it spit itself onto the network. The admin saw it, clicked once intending to delete it, and %^#@$'n Windows Explorer decided to open it in the preview pane, infecting his system. > I want to make sure I tell clients the facts about NIMDA and IIS so when I > recommend Linux and Apache, they know I'm being honest. Easy comparison: Do a search for vulnerabilites on both Apache and IIS on BugTraq. Apache comes up with 10 or 15 exploits, IIS comes back with hundreds more. Same is true for Sendmail vs Exchange, and Sendmail is one of the most exploited linux daemons! -Brian From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Oct 8 12:38:00 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] email progs -- HELP! In-Reply-To: <20011008161200.DD6DC4502@slnx03.cs.umn.edu>; from zibby+tclug@ringworld.org on Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 11:12:00AM -0500 References: <3BC10775.6000401@slava.net> <3BC120A2.3050404@slava.net> <20011007231434.A5815@llama.dolly-llama.org> <20011008161200.DD6DC4502@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011008123753.A2248@llama.sistina.com> On Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 11:12:00AM -0500, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > >Most packaged MTA's on Linux deliver mail via procmail in the first place so >you shouldn't need such a line in your fetchmail config. The only reason you would is if you were using ssmtp or some such. > >I know that postfix (better than exim! :P), exim, and sendmail in Debian do >this. Sendmail on RedHat and Mandrake did in earlier versions. > >I suggest postfix as an MTA. It's much easier than sendmail to configure. On >Debian, postfix and exim are pretty easy to configre because the post-inst >scripts will spit out a decent configuration. > >Anyway, go with exim or postfix. Take a side in the MTA holy war.... I've never used postfix so I can't say. I do know that i've been extrememly pleased with exim. Man it's like MTA Nirvanna! >-- >Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org >"We can learn much more from wise words, little >from wisecracks and less from wise guys." >--William Arthur Ward >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. "Front Towards Enemy" - Text on the front of an M-18 Claymore Mine -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20011008123753.A2248@llama.sistina.com> References: <3BC10775.6000401@slava.net> <20011008161200.DD6DC4502@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> <20011008123753.A2248@llama.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20011008175750.ECF6F4502@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> > > I've never used postfix so I can't say. I do know that i've been extrememly > pleased with exim. Man it's like MTA Nirvanna! > You really live in your own twisted little world don't you? Oh yeah, forgot. There's nothing little about it. :) -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From rahrenstorff at yahoo.com Mon Oct 8 13:22:00 2001 From: rahrenstorff at yahoo.com (Yahoo mail) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bastion host project... Message-ID: <000b01c15021$7fc75fc0$840ef518@mn.mediaone.net> Since I'm a Linux newbie and new to the LUG list, I hope I'm being too forward about this request. However, I have the possible oportunity to implement a Linux based "Bastion relay host" at work. This would be our fist linux box! We are investigating this solution since IIS has sooooo many security holes. I have done a fair amount of research online, unfortunately I am still not able to determine the best solution. It appears to be a rather complex undertaking, as this box would sit in the DMZ and thus would need to be very secure. It is required to perform only as a smtp relay host between Visi.com and our Exchange server behind the firewall. This is obviously beyond the scope of my abilities at this time. However, I'm hoping I could learn something from one of the LUG members willing to take on this project. And yes; YOU WILL GET PAID!!!. I work for WFTC TV (FOX29) as a broadcast engineer. We have about a month before we need to implement the host and the station will supply all the required hardware. Any experienced takers??? _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Oct 8 13:25:43 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] email progs -- HELP! In-Reply-To: <20011008175750.ECF6F4502@slnx03.cs.umn.edu>; from zibby+tclug@ringworld.org on Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 12:57:50PM -0500 References: <3BC10775.6000401@slava.net> <20011008161200.DD6DC4502@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> <20011008123753.A2248@llama.sistina.com> <20011008175750.ECF6F4502@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011008132526.A2395@llama.sistina.com> On Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 12:57:50PM -0500, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > >You really live in your own twisted little world don't you? Get a life. > >Oh yeah, forgot. There's nothing little about it. :) > Kiss my ass. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. "Front Towards Enemy" - Text on the front of an M-18 Claymore Mine -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011008/a71ee4c1/attachment.pgp From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Oct 8 13:31:01 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bastion host project... In-Reply-To: <000b01c15021$7fc75fc0$840ef518@mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: Hello, On Mon, 8 Oct 2001, Yahoo mail wrote: > willing to take on this project. And yes; YOU WILL GET PAID!!!. I work for > WFTC TV (FOX29) as a broadcast engineer. Unless you have a really low budget, I'd recommend going with Sun/Solaris rather than Linux. -Yaron -- From matthew at redroot.org Mon Oct 8 13:35:10 2001 From: matthew at redroot.org (matthew@redroot.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bastion host project... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Unless you have a really low budget, I'd recommend going with Sun/Solaris > rather than Linux. > > > -Yaron What advantages does Sun/Solaris have over Linux for this job? mcd From scott.w.fischer at att.net Mon Oct 8 13:39:01 2001 From: scott.w.fischer at att.net (scott.w.fischer@att.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bastion host project... Message-ID: <20011008183823.STGC6924.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> > > willing to take on this project. And yes; YOU WILL GET PAID!!!. I work for > > WFTC TV (FOX29) as a broadcast engineer. > > Unless you have a really low budget, I'd recommend going with Sun/Solaris > rather than Linux. > > > -Yaron How can you possibly make a recommendation like that with absolutely no specified performance requirements!! Geez, I wonder who bought SUNW recently. -swf -- "Don't pray when it rains if you don't pray when the sun shines." - Satchel Paige From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Oct 8 13:50:01 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Bastion host project... In-Reply-To: References: <000b01c15021$7fc75fc0$840ef518@mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20011008134925.B10084@ringworld.org> > Unless you have a really low budget, I'd recommend going with Sun/Solaris > rather than Linux. Can we stay on topic and ignore this TROLL. Please? -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net "History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." - Justice Thurgood Marshall (1989) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011008/65a3220d/attachment.pgp From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Oct 8 14:13:00 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bastion host project... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey, On Mon, 8 Oct 2001 matthew@redroot.org wrote: > > Unless you have a really low budget, I'd recommend going with Sun/Solaris > > rather than Linux. > What advantages does Sun/Solaris have over Linux for this job? If this machine needs to be: A) Secure B) Mission-Critical C) Connected to the Internet D) Stable-as-a-Rock I personally would feel more comfortable with Solaris, is all I'm saying. I am NOT saying Linux can't handle this, but if you have the budget to throw at it, what advantages does Linux have? Another point is that I trust Sun hardware a lot more than I trust any i386. Including the bigass Compaq/Dell/whatever. -Yaron -- From churchill_dan at htc.honeywell.com Mon Oct 8 14:39:01 2001 From: churchill_dan at htc.honeywell.com (Churchill, Dan (MN65)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Content Filter Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Nate Carlson > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 11:26 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Content Filter > > Ugh, I've blown up way too many fireboxes by just setting the > wrong things with their config program. That's interesting.... I've set them up in a quite complex network (enough that the 3rd level of WatchGuard tech support said it wasn't supported and probably couldn't be done). Other than my own problem of figuring out just what needed to be routed where and how to accomplish it, the setup of the fireboxes was not a problem. I would be interested to know what "blown up" means, exactly. I wouldn't expect you to be able to kill a box completely except if you were trying to flash the ROM (which I have done with no problems). If you're just doing a configuration update, the worst you should have to do is put a crossover cable between two of the ethernet ports in a loopback type of configuration to default to a basic configuration. > My recommendation is to avoid them like the plague.. That's fine. We're all entitled to our opinion. The only reason I mentioned the Firebox was that I've had good experiences with them, and they do have an automated method for getting current lists for blocking content inappropriate for the kiddies. I also agree with the person who felt that to have someone monitoring students at the computer is the only sure way to guarantee that no one is spending their class period in playboy or something worse. However, I am also aware that many schools are under the onus of needing to comply with state-mandated filtering of web content, and in my experience, the Firebox was and continues to be a choice with which the school I worked for is pleased. I cannot say the same for the SonicWall unit we tried. Dan From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Oct 8 14:51:01 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bastion host project... In-Reply-To: <000b01c15021$7fc75fc0$840ef518@mn.mediaone.net> References: <000b01c15021$7fc75fc0$840ef518@mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20011008144747.B19274@wookimus.net> On Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 12:48:49PM -0500, Yahoo mail wrote: > It appears to be a rather complex undertaking, as this box would sit > in the DMZ and thus would need to be very secure. It is required to > perform only as a smtp relay host between Visi.com and our Exchange > server behind the firewall. As a relay host, you do not need a lot of disc space, but you do want through-put. Features in your host should be: * Network Interface Card (100BaseT Full Duplex) * SCSI2/3 Harddrive - throughput being the key - 1GB+ would do * RAM - At least 64MB - The more the better o Video Card (opt) - Video cards are nice for servers, but not necessary o ATX Power Supply - In a server environment, this is what you want. - Power to last state (i.e. if powerfailure, powers back on automatically when available) Distribution of Choice: Debian Stable (Potato) Email Server Software: Postfix, Sendmail, Exim (in order of preference) - You will most likely have to rewrite the email address coming from MS Exchange Server. - Simple relay configuration - Possible tie-in to anti-virus scanning software - Possible tie-in to anti-spam filtering Method of installation: Floppy (Debian base) Total installation size: < 45MB Other Configuration Needs: o Use iptables to block all incoming TCP and UDP connections except for: - tcp port 25 (smtp) - non-syn tcp packets (IOW, TCP replies from an established connection to another machine) - icmp ping-reply o Disable use of most superserver (inetd) processes - Default by Debian setup o Syslog Installation Instructions can be found at: http://www.debian.org HOWTO's found at: http://www.linuxdoc.org Other Suggested Email Lists: debian-isp@lists.debian.org -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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My downtime usually comes from disks (though sometimes it's wierd video card problems) and Sun disks haven't been any more dependable than anyone elses (probably because the use anyone elses ;-). The same can't be said for i386 machines it's true, but I've found many i386 failings can be traced to the willful and purposeful inclusion of cheap (or semi-supported) hardware by the system buyer (me). The main advantage Linux has is ( bang / buck ). You can usually get the same "bang" to happen under Linux with far fewer "buck". And it has the added bonus of not tying you to Sun. There are some things I would consider Sun and exclude Linux for, but this is certainly not one of them. Good luck, Troy >>> jethro@freakzilla.com 10/08/01 02:12PM >>> Hey, On Mon, 8 Oct 2001 matthew@redroot.org wrote: > > Unless you have a really low budget, I'd recommend going with Sun/Solaris > > rather than Linux. > What advantages does Sun/Solaris have over Linux for this job? If this machine needs to be: A) Secure B) Mission-Critical C) Connected to the Internet D) Stable-as-a-Rock I personally would feel more comfortable with Solaris, is all I'm saying. I am NOT saying Linux can't handle this, but if you have the budget to throw at it, what advantages does Linux have? Another point is that I trust Sun hardware a lot more than I trust any i386. Including the bigass Compaq/Dell/whatever. -Yaron From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Oct 8 15:04:01 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Bastion host project... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011008150333.C10084@ringworld.org> * Yaron [011008 14:15]: > Another point is that I trust Sun hardware a lot more than I trust > any i386. Including the bigass Compaq/Dell/whatever. Thanks, I'll be sure to find a sun mailing list to go bigot about linux sometime. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net "History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." - Justice Thurgood Marshall (1989) From natecars at real-time.com Mon Oct 8 15:12:01 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:13 2005 Subject: WatchGuard Fireboxes [Was: RE: [TCLUG] Content Filter] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Oct 2001, Churchill, Dan (MN65) wrote: > I would be interested to know what "blown up" means, exactly. I > wouldn't expect you to be able to kill a box completely except if you > were trying to flash the ROM (which I have done with no problems). > If you're just doing a configuration update, the worst you should have > to do is put a crossover cable between two of the ethernet ports in a > loopback type of configuration to default to a basic configuration. Yeah, blown up meaning killed the config. Not actually destroyed the hardware. Had to go through the serial port and reconfig from scratch (when I reloaded the config file that had caused problems, the exact same thing happened.) I've had this happen on two different locations (both at client sites with me doing the work remotely, of course); both times the techs at WG basically said "it happens" and told me to start from scratch. I also can't stand their GUI configurator.. give me ssh, dang it! :) > > My recommendation is to avoid them like the plague.. > > That's fine. We're all entitled to our opinion. The only reason I > mentioned the Firebox was that I've had good experiences with them, and they > do have an automated method for getting current lists for blocking content > inappropriate for the kiddies. Nice to hear that someone's managed to get the darn things working well. > I also agree with the person who felt that to have someone monitoring > students at the computer is the only sure way to guarantee that no one is > spending their class period in playboy or something worse. However, I am > also aware that many schools are under the onus of needing to comply with > state-mandated filtering of web content, and in my experience, the Firebox > was and continues to be a choice with which the school I worked for is > pleased. I cannot say the same for the SonicWall unit we tried. My personal recommendation would be Squid with the SmartFilter software from Secure Computing, but that's just because one of my buddies is in charge of that product. *grin* -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Oct 8 15:20:25 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Bastion host project... In-Reply-To: <20011008150333.C10084@ringworld.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Oct 2001, Scott Dier wrote: > Thanks, I'll be sure to find a sun mailing list to go bigot about linux > sometime. You do realize that linux runs on Sun hardware, right? Seriously, I find that Sun's limited hardware set makes it extremely stable compared to i386 hardware. None of this "Intel changed their chipset this week and suddenly competitor X's hardware crashes the box" BS. I have personal opinions on why not to use Slowaris in this case, I'd much rather run a light install of Debian or Slack. -Brian From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Mon Oct 8 15:40:12 2001 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bastion host project Message-ID: <15298.3807.687320.52575@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> Some suggestions: SANS has an excellent publication called "Securing Linux Step-by-Step." It's a little out-of-date in terms of distribution, but it has an excellent discussion of how to turn off all of the services you don't need, etc. Also you can use the walk-through from Bastille Linux as another check of vulnerabilities. Note that the above are pretty RedHat-centric. I don't have the foggiest idea what kind of hardware, etc. you should get, I'm afraid. From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Oct 8 15:44:01 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Bastion host project... In-Reply-To: <20011008150333.C10084@ringworld.org> Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, 8 Oct 2001, Scott Dier wrote: > Thanks, I'll be sure to find a sun mailing list to go bigot about linux > sometime. When did TCLUG turn into a zealot-only list? Since when is "I highly recommend" one of the trademark sayings of bigots? I freely admit to being a UNIX bigot, but I don't limit myself to Linux/Solaris/IRIX/Tru64/AIX or whatever. Each has their uses. I wouldn't run Solaris/x68 on my home desktop. I wouldn't run Linux on a mission critical application. It's as simple as that. Would you want your bank to host your Online Banking sesisons on Linux boxes? I know I wouldn't. BTW, a good Sun mailing list is the Sun Managers Mailing List (http://www.sunmanagers.org/) - an excellent resource that usually comes through faster than Sun tech support can. -Yaron -- From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Mon Oct 8 16:03:00 2001 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ghostscript Message-ID: <011008160233.2021e5f6@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Hi It doesn't seem like you got your problem resolved on jpeg.h, so I thought I'd add a couple of pennies to the pot. In your makefile, it wants to know how to make jpeg.h (that you wouldn't need to make it is irrelevant). Something you could try adding to the makefile (it's been a long time since I messed with this stuff, so I give no guarantees): .h:; The idea here is to tell it that there is nothing to do to create a .h file. Hopefully it isn't necessary for them to be copied or linked or something which should have forced an entry to be included for it. The tab may or may not be necessary. Be sure to have at least 1 empty line above it (literally nothing but CR) 2 to be safe. There must also be a CR after the tab, and just to be safe I'd put another in after that. If that doesn't work, you could try substituting jpeg.h for .h above. After that... Good Luck Ed Hoeffner 1-271 BSBE 312 Church St. SE Mpls, MN 55455 hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu 612-625-2115 612-625-2163 fax From sextus at visi.com Mon Oct 8 16:07:01 2001 From: sextus at visi.com (Michael Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bastion host project... In-Reply-To: ; from Troy.A Johnson on Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 02:59:15PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20011008160516.A17550@visi.com> I assume that an SMTP relay server for a local TV station does not need to support more than 5000 users. I don't think Sparc/Solaris can compete performance or reliability-wise at that level [1]. The performance and reliability bottlenecks are both going to be the disk, which you can improve more cheaply on the x86 platform with fast SCSI + RAID. I'd go with something like a PIII 550+, 256MB RAM, 10/100 NIC, Ultra160 SCSI card + RAID controller, then 2-4 10k+ 18GB SCSI drives depending on your budget. The OS should be whatever OS you or whoever will support the machine will administer properly, and supports the minimum feature set (probably MTA + packet filtering). [1] Not a paid employee, spokesperson or shareholder of SUNW. -- Michael From sextus at visi.com Mon Oct 8 16:12:02 2001 From: sextus at visi.com (Michael Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Clip Nuts? Message-ID: <20011008161135.B17550@visi.com> Does somebody know of a local supply for 8/32 or 10/32 clip nuts and screws, such as those used to fasten rackmounted equipment? -- Michael From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Oct 8 16:15:03 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bastion host project... In-Reply-To: References: <000b01c15021$7fc75fc0$840ef518@mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20011008161349.73baaf31.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Yaron wrote: > > Unless you have a really low budget, I'd recommend going with > Sun/Solaris rather than Linux. For SMTP relaying?!? I doubt WFTC gets quite that much mail... Any new computer you can buy today would have more than enough horsepower to handle that job (unless I'm totally confused and the station employs 10,000 people ;-) Getting back to the original note, I've never set up an SMTP relay system, but I don't think it'd be too hard. From what I recall, Debian's setup scripts ask if the computer is to be used as a mail relay. I've never had to say anything there, but I suspect it automates much of the process.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Reality is for people who / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ lack imagination. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011008/b566c5f8/attachment.pgp From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Mon Oct 8 16:18:09 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Bastion host project... Message-ID: Hello, >>> jethro@freakzilla.com 10/08/01 03:43PM >>> >I wouldn't run Solaris/x68 on my home desktop. Eew! Or anywhere else I hope. >I wouldn't run Linux on a mission critical application. Or run a mission critical application on Linux? ;-) >Would you want your bank to host your Online Banking >sesisons on Linux boxes? I know I wouldn't. What is your main concern with this? I don't think I'd want my "Online Banking" sessions on one cheap Linux box, but that is not the scale of solution I would expect my bank to choose. I don't think it should matter all that much if the problem is given the proper amount of consideration. Your discounting of Linux as a solution makes me think you have and unhealthy amount of faith in Sun. >BTW, a good Sun mailing list is the Sun Managers Mailing List You are correct, sir! Their archives are like gold. Good luck, Troy From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Oct 8 16:22:11 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bastion host project... In-Reply-To: <20011008161349.73baaf31.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Oct 2001, Mike Hicks wrote: > Any new computer you can buy today would have more than enough horsepower > to handle that job (unless I'm totally confused and the station employs > 10,000 people ;-) Good question.. how many e-mail accounts are we talking about? > Getting back to the original note, I've never set up an SMTP relay system, > but I don't think it'd be too hard. From what I recall, Debian's setup > scripts ask if the computer is to be used as a mail relay. I've never had > to say anything there, but I suspect it automates much of the process.. I think postfix and sendmail both have some options to relay mail, however I've never set them up that way. Should be pretty simple though. -Brian From chuck at redroot.org Mon Oct 8 16:26:01 2001 From: chuck at redroot.org (Chuck Milam) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bastion host project... In-Reply-To: <20011008161349.73baaf31.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Oct 2001, Mike Hicks wrote: > Getting back to the original note, I've never set up an SMTP relay > system, but I don't think it'd be too hard. From what I recall, > Debian's setup scripts ask if the computer is to be used as a mail > relay. I've never had to say anything there, but I suspect it > automates much of the process.. The trick is to ensure that you are only providing SMTP relaying for your own user base, not for the spammer-of-the-week. From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Oct 8 16:30:21 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sun/Solars vs Linux Message-ID: Hey, Lets put a stop to this, ok? I like Linux, I use Linux. In the past 8 years, I was responsible for getting Linux installations going in every SINGLE job I had, where Linux wasn't already existing. That said, I've been using UNIX longer than Linux has been around. I am not a blind follower or a zealot. I am well aware that Linux _can_ perform just about any function a low-end Sun box can. I would _still_ not recommend Linux for _anything_ that is mission critical, HOWEVER TRIVIAL IT MAY SEEM. This list is about advice and sharing ideas, right? It's not a propaganda and/or FUD list. Had I said "I wouldn't recommend Linux cause it sucks", that'd have been wrong. All I said was, it's mission critical, I'd rather not use Linux on it personally. That's it. No need to overreact. Linux _can_ handle the job just fine. I'm not saying Sun hardware is indestructible, either. Heck, I've had to deal with the SS20 from Hell where every single component had to be replaced (including the case!) but in general I trust Sun more than i386. Again, IN GENERAL. I have no problem whatsoever using Linux as a desktop OS, on Intranets, as backup servers for major applications, as parts of clusters, etc. I have, in fact, installed Linux as mail relays, but for internal, departmental relays. Again, these are my opinions. They are based on my experiences in past years. While I _do_ think a thread comparing Linux/Intel and Sun/Solaris could be interesting, this has degenerated into little more than a flame war. If you'd like to flame me, PLEASE USE PERSONAL EMAIL, and spare the list, ok? -Yaron -- From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Oct 8 17:02:01 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bastion host project... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011008220110.16D284567@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> Actually, size of box really depends on what you want to do feature-wise. If the job of the box is just to relay mail you don't need much of a box at all. A 486 can sit on a public IP and relay mail just fine. But if you want to say, run procmail security filters on all incoming mail (ftp://ftp.rubyriver.com/pub/jhardin/antispam/procmail-security.html) you'll want a CPU that can handle the amout of mail and allow for expansion. (Still, shouldn't be overly CPU intensive. Though I have no idea of the user base.) If you're going to take it a step further and add virus scanning you're going to want a really fast CPU (maybe even dual processors?) and 10GB or more (again, depending on user base) of SCSI2/3 storage (note storage, not storage + system) Useful software here: AMaViS (A Mail Virus Scanner) http://www.amavis.org/ Architecture wise, there are good arguments for both x86 and Sun hardware. Most of the beef that will come from x86 stems from crap hardware. It's hard to go wrong with say an Intel Server board or a Dell or Compaq box. If you're going for rock solid SMP my vote is currently with Sun. People wine excessivly when they can't get their e-mail. But since you're using Excange, that negates the need for a rock solid e-mail relay box anyway. :) Kick the SMP Linux box when you kick the Exchange server and you're good. What it will come down to is your virus scanner. I don't know what's out there for Sun. There are a few for Linux, but you're not likely to find them compiled for anything but Linux x86. On the same token, it's just as likely that if you do find one for Sun it won't be compiled for anything but Solaris Sparc. (Who in their right mind runs Solaris x86...shoots a look into the machine room...when I figure out who's responsible for this thing...) I imagine that your best bet is going to be a big x86 box, running Linux (insert Debian+Postfix plug here), on a 2.2.19 kernel unless it's a SMP box or you really need IPTables. It only needs to be as stable as the Exchange server after all. :) (Weakest link, Weakest link!) Kay I'm done. -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From fish at slava.net Mon Oct 8 17:05:03 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] email progs -- HELP! References: <3BC10775.6000401@slava.net> <20011008041316.E87566@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <3BC2221D.6050606@slava.net> I'm still working on how to send mail out in mutt. While trying to figure this out, I found /etc/HOSTNAME and I opened it. It read 'alcyone.astound.net' -- astound.net is my old cable provider from St. Cloud, but now I'm using Time Warner. I don't know why the alcyone is there. It's one of my nicknames, but it's not and never has been my username. But I'm assuming I don't need this file to read that anymore. Should I change it to mn.rr.com? Or do I still need an alcyone at the beginning? Is this causing problems for me when I try to send mail out? Lorry, determined to figure out this linux stuff if it kills her From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Oct 8 17:09:01 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Clip Nuts? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF9A@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> ACME Electronics on Washington Ave (kitty corner from d?j? vu), has rackmount stuff. Might wanna call them. > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Burns [mailto:sextus@visi.com] > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 4:12 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Clip Nuts? > > > Does somebody know of a local supply for 8/32 or 10/32 clip nuts > and screws, such as those used to fasten rackmounted equipment? > > -- > Michael > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From uak at nerp.net Mon Oct 8 17:14:18 2001 From: uak at nerp.net (Ursula A. Kallio) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] email progs -- HELP! In-Reply-To: <3BC2221D.6050606@slava.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Oct 2001, Lorry wrote: > Lorry, determined to figure out this linux stuff if it kills her You go girl! Fear not, with every Q you ask, I learn too. :) Cheers!, uak From fish at slava.net Mon Oct 8 17:28:01 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: ghostscript Message-ID: <3BC227BC.5060102@slava.net> Does it matter where in the file I put that stuff? From thomas at stderr.net Mon Oct 8 17:46:23 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] email progs -- HELP! In-Reply-To: <3BC2221D.6050606@slava.net>; from fish@slava.net on Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 05:01:01PM -0500 References: <3BC10775.6000401@slava.net> <20011008041316.E87566@io.stderr.net> <3BC2221D.6050606@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011009004540.J87566@io.stderr.net> On Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 05:01:01PM -0500, Lorry wrote: > I'm still working on how to send mail out in mutt. While trying to > figure this out, I found /etc/HOSTNAME and I opened it. It read > 'alcyone.astound.net' -- astound.net is my old cable provider from St. > Cloud, but now I'm using Time Warner. I don't know why the alcyone is > there. It's one of my nicknames, but it's not and never has been my > username. But I'm assuming I don't need this file to read that anymore. > Should I change it to mn.rr.com? Or do I still need an alcyone at the > beginning? Is this causing problems for me when I try to send mail out? First of all, which mailer have you installed? (If any) and it really shouldn't matter if you have alcyone.astound.net in there if you're just sending mail to another smtp server. If you have installed a mailer does it make any errors in any logfiles? -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Mon Oct 8 17:51:02 2001 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: ghostscript Message-ID: <011008175014.2021e5f6@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Hi Good point. Sorry. There are a few places it can't go, so the easiest description is at the end of the file. Ed From fish at slava.net Mon Oct 8 18:00:02 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] email progs -- HELP! References: <3BC10775.6000401@slava.net> <20011008041316.E87566@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <3BC22F4E.202@slava.net> I was trying to use sendmail, since I already have it and it is the default setting in mutt. But I think I have given up on that idea. I am getting no where. From thomas at stderr.net Mon Oct 8 18:37:01 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] email progs -- HELP! In-Reply-To: <3BC22F4E.202@slava.net>; from fish@slava.net on Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 05:57:18PM -0500 References: <3BC10775.6000401@slava.net> <20011008041316.E87566@io.stderr.net> <3BC22F4E.202@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011009013604.K87566@io.stderr.net> On Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 05:57:18PM -0500, Lorry wrote: > I was trying to use sendmail, since I already have it and it is the > default setting in mutt. > But I think I have given up on that idea. I am getting no where. Maybe this will get you a little further: http://www.hserus.net/sendmail.html -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From fish at slava.net Mon Oct 8 18:57:00 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] email progs -- HELP! References: <3BC10775.6000401@slava.net> <20011008041316.E87566@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <3BC23C96.30200@slava.net> Is this applicable? I'm using cable, not dial-up. From chrome at real-time.com Mon Oct 8 19:06:00 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bastion host project... In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 02:12:42PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20011008190452.I19441@real-time.com> > Unless you have a really low budget, I'd recommend going with Sun/Solaris > rather than Linux. I think you have a slightly different version of 'low budget' than a lot of us here. :) for most of the places I've worked, 'low budget' means '< $100'; I suspect your version may differ from mine by an order of magnitude or two. :) I haven't worked with Solaris to any real degree; so the fact that I've never seen a Solaris box crash doesn't mean anything. OTOH; I've not seen a Linux box running a stable kernel verifiably crash[1]; where it wasn't the fault of hardware, or the administrator doing something stupid [2]. (I temper this with the statement that I'm relying on my memory for this; which is a notoriously bad thing to do). [1] There were a couple of boxes at a co-lo running 2.2.14 which became unresponsive (after having been up for 400+ days, I think); and the guy at the co-lo said there was a bunch of stuff on the screen when he hooked up a monitor to it, so he was told to power-cycle it; after which point (and a kernel upgrade) the boxes have been up ever since. Some similar boxes at the same place were up for 500+ days until the kernels were upgraded. [2] I *have* crashed a stock RH 2.2.14 kernel a couple of times, by running it out of memory (sometimes deliberately). that kernel didn't like it very much when I did a 'swapoff' on swap space that was in use, either. ;> that said, *no* OS currently existing, deals well with Out Of Memory conditions. as for Sun hardware; I've seen enough Sparcs go bad, that I don't put a world of faith in the claims that it's substantially better than x86 hardware. I can't argue that it's a much better architecture (better processor design, openboot ROM kicks ass); and they usually do use better-quality components; but it still obeys the rule that for the last 5% more performance, you pay 50% more. for the mail relay situation: I say use a K7 box with a pile of memory and a few IDE drives (do software RAID on them if you like). SCSI drives are better; but with memory as obscenely cheap as it is these days; the data probably won't need to be lastingly written to disk, if the box is just a mail relay, so the performance differences between SCSI and IDE will probably be less important. (tho don't take my word as gospel). Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From fish at slava.net Mon Oct 8 19:17:00 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: ghostscript Message-ID: <3BC2416B.1040106@slava.net> I finally got around to monkeying with the makefile, and it didn't appear to make any impact whatsoever. I might be getting the error message earlier than I was now, but other than that... From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Mon Oct 8 19:23:01 2001 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: ghostscript Message-ID: <011008192226.2021e5f6@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Hi Sorry about that. I can't think of anything more, but you might try sending the file and what you tried and what happened, blah blah blah... Maybe something will come to mind, though I'm not all that hopeful. It just seems so weird that it wants to make a .h file. Only time I've ever seen that this worked. Ed From thomas at stderr.net Mon Oct 8 19:33:01 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] email progs -- HELP! In-Reply-To: <3BC23C96.30200@slava.net>; from fish@slava.net on Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 06:53:58PM -0500 References: <3BC10775.6000401@slava.net> <20011008041316.E87566@io.stderr.net> <3BC23C96.30200@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011009023249.L87566@io.stderr.net> On Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 06:53:58PM -0500, Lorry wrote: > Is this applicable? I'm using cable, not dial-up. Yeah, I'd consider cable similar enough in this situation :-) -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From chuck at redroot.org Mon Oct 8 19:46:01 2001 From: chuck at redroot.org (Chuck Milam) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.2 Update Message-ID: Any update on the Red Hat 7.2 release? All the mirrors seem to have it, but the perms are still set tight on the 7.2 directory. Isn't this kind of strange? I don't recall a Red Hat release being delayed quite in this manner before. From chrome at real-time.com Mon Oct 8 20:11:01 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] email progs -- HELP! In-Reply-To: <3BC23C96.30200@slava.net>; from fish@slava.net on Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 06:53:58PM -0500 References: <3BC10775.6000401@slava.net> <20011008041316.E87566@io.stderr.net> <3BC23C96.30200@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011008201036.A20910@real-time.com> > Is this applicable? I'm using cable, not dial-up. a lot of the same principles may apply; since you don't have a fixed IP. You just don't have the long wait for the modem to dial. :) don't worry about not understanding how mail works with mutt, sendmail, postfix, exim, qmail, procmail, fetchmail, etc. took me a while to figure it out too; since there really wasn't a good, newbie explanation out there at the time. so I'm going to shoot off at the mouth and waste some bandwith here by restating my understanding of how it works: in the classic university/corporate scenario; where these tools were first developed: 1. mail comes to your university/corp multi-user computer, which is where everyone was doing their work already. 2. it is recieved by your Mail Transport Agent (MTA). often this was Sendmail. 3. the MTA hands it off to a Mail Delivery Agent (MDA); like procmail. (what people used before procmail, I don't know... how far back does procmail go? I missed the presentation.) 4. the MDA puts it in the user's mailbox. 5. the user's shell checks the mailbox on a regular basis, set by the $MAILCHECK variable; and when there's mail, it notifies the user. (if the user has it set up that way). 6. the user opens a Mail User Agent (MUA) such as Pine; or for us more austere folks; whatever the equivalent of /bin/mail was. (since it was about 3x faster than Pine; which becomes noticeable when 150 users are competing for the resources of a VAX 4000). 7. user writes mail in their preferred text editor 8. user sends mail from the MUA. 9. MUA hands mail off to the MTA (again, often sendmail); which sends it out to the rest of the Internet. here's how it usually works under Windows; or with Mozilla Mail (since it's a the same concept running under Linux): 1. mail comes to your ISP 2. the MTA at your ISP (sendmail, exchange, exim, qmail, postfix) recieves the mail 3. the MDA at your ISP (procmail, or exchange) delivers the mail to your mailbox. 4. you dial your ISP with a modem (or have a constant connection via DSL or cable). 5. your mail client (Agent, Eudora, Pegasus Mail, Netscape Mail, Outlook) contacts the ISP via POP3, and downloads the mail (the MTA part of your computer's transaction). 6. since there's only one mailbox (usually) the MDA part is pretty simple. 7. your mail client shows you the mail. (the MUA part of the scheme). 8. you write your mail with whatever crappy text editor they built into your mailer. 9. you send your mail, using the MTA part of your mail program again. the difference with linux/mutt is that all the parts are still separated into components for MTA/MDA/MUA; and not often well-integrated. so what you have to do is set up your computer like a small multiuser system. 1. your linux system dials your ISP via modem, DSL, cable, wireless 2. fetchmail goes and gets your mail from the ISP via POP3. (in ancient times I belive the equivalent was sendmail using UUCP; but for some reason no one ever taught sendmail to speak POP2/POP3... this may be for the better). 3. fetchmail hands it off to procmail for delivery (it can also deliver to your MTA; but the downside of this is that you need an MTA listening for requests, instead of just sending; so that has some security implications. also, I never got it to work. ;> ). 4. procmail puts it in your mailbox (after filtering it, if you like). 5. you read your mail with your preferred MUA (mutt, pine, or any of the GUI clients that can read mbox format). 6. you write your mail with your preferred editor. 7. your MUA sends mail by handing it off to an MTA. in mutt, this is done with lines like: my_hdr From: user@yourdomain.com set sendmail="usr/lib/sendmail -oi -oem -f user@yourdomain.com" in your .muttrc 8. your MTA sends the mail out to the internet, possibly after rewriting your address so it seems to come from your ISP's mail server (in sendmail, this is done with the 'DMyourdomain.com' line in sendmail.cf and the '-f user@yourdomain.com' option mutt passes to sendmail. mind you, some recipients' MUAs will complain about the -f option [forcing the name to be something other than what it otherwise would be]). the tricky bit comes when you don't have a constant IP address. sendmail will balk if it can't reverse-name-lookup it's own IP address (an ISP worth their salt should have reverse name lookups for each of their IPs, even for dialup ones). also, you need to tell your tools when they can send/check for mail, and when they can't. what I ended up doing, was writing some scripts to control this behavior. when I ran the script; it would dial, check to see that I got a good modem speed, redial if it was only 14.400, flush the mail queue (sendmail -q), and start fetchmail in daemon mode (so it would keep checking for mail every few minutes). I'll attach one to this mail (yes, it's not great; if you have suggestions, speak up). when I closed the connection, I killed fetchmail, and shut down the ppp interface. if I sent mail at this point, it would just be spooled up in the sendmail outbound queue (/var/spool/mqueue), until the next time I dialed up and flushed it out to the Internet. I have to admit; it sucked. ;> lots more hassle to configure and use than the idiot-interfaces Windows mail clients had. but there weren't any good GUI MUAs at the time (RH 6.0 days). fortunately for myself; I got a job at Real-Time not long after, and now I get to SSH to the mail server and read it directly there, as god clearly intended. :) (tho I have to admit it's slow typing when downloading MP3s at the same time, even over 128K ISDN). I'm told that mutt+IMAP works better; but I haven't taken the time to learn it yet. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: online.sh Type: application/x-sh Size: 582 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011008/2c1a22ac/online.sh From fish at slava.net Mon Oct 8 20:25:02 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] email progs -- HELP! References: <3BC10775.6000401@slava.net> <20011008041316.E87566@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <3BC25139.2060000@slava.net> I went to the site, I made the files, I followed the dirs... I got error messages. But! I knew how to fix it, so I did. I tried again and no error messages! Yay! But what now?? I still can't send email from mutt. What am I missing? From thomas at stderr.net Mon Oct 8 20:44:00 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] email progs -- HELP! In-Reply-To: <3BC25139.2060000@slava.net>; from fish@slava.net on Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 08:22:01PM -0500 References: <3BC10775.6000401@slava.net> <20011008041316.E87566@io.stderr.net> <3BC25139.2060000@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011009034413.M87566@io.stderr.net> On Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 08:22:01PM -0500, Lorry wrote: > I went to the site, I made the files, I followed the dirs... I got error > messages. But! I knew how to fix it, so I did. I tried again and no > error messages! Yay! > But what now?? I still can't send email from mutt. What am I missing? What happens to the mails? do they get queued or just disapear? -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From fish at slava.net Mon Oct 8 21:01:02 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sendmail woes continued Message-ID: <3BC259BC.3040904@slava.net> When I try to send a mail, I get one back from "Mail Delivery Subsystem" subject "Returned mail: see transcript for details" Before messing with sendmail, the same thing happened, but it happened right away. Now I don't get it until a little bit later. One of the things that messed up, that I had to fix... I made all the files the site said to, and then I ran the m4 blah blah command. One of the errors I got was that there was no etc/mail/local-host-names file. So I made one, but perhaps I didn't do it right. That site didn't say anything about making this file, so... what was I supposed to put in it? Could this be where it's screwing up? Lorry, frustrated but still going! From doug at northlandstudios.com Mon Oct 8 21:14:00 2001 From: doug at northlandstudios.com (Doug) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.2 Update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1002593610.10292.3.camel@thor.valhalla> I heard today that MySQL 4.0 will be released sometime in the next couple weeks, and Evolution should be released in the next couple weeks as well. Could they be waiting for those? (considering the dates Oct 15 and Oct 26 that were tossed around a few days ago) Doug On Mon, 2001-10-08 at 19:45, Chuck Milam wrote: Any update on the Red Hat 7.2 release? All the mirrors seem to have it, but the perms are still set tight on the 7.2 directory. Isn't this kind of strange? I don't recall a Red Hat release being delayed quite in this manner before. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011008/4223493d/attachment.htm From thomas at stderr.net Mon Oct 8 21:40:01 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sendmail woes continued In-Reply-To: <3BC259BC.3040904@slava.net>; from fish@slava.net on Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 08:58:20PM -0500 References: <3BC259BC.3040904@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011009043951.N87566@io.stderr.net> On Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 08:58:20PM -0500, Lorry wrote: > When I try to send a mail, I get one back from "Mail Delivery Subsystem" > subject "Returned mail: see transcript for details" > Before messing with sendmail, the same thing happened, but it happened > right away. Now I don't get it until a little bit later. > > One of the things that messed up, that I had to fix... I made all the > files the site said to, and then I ran the m4 blah blah command. One of > the errors I got was that there was no etc/mail/local-host-names file. > So I made one, but perhaps I didn't do it right. That site didn't say > anything about making this file, so... what was I supposed to put in it? > Could this be where it's screwing up? What did you put in the file? Another howto that might help: http://www.moongroup.com/docs/offline/sendmail-offline.html *shoots in the dark* -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From tl at assimilated.org Mon Oct 8 22:11:01 2001 From: tl at assimilated.org (Tim Lupfer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bastion host project... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011008220516.B1250@assimilated.org> >>>>> Yaron wrote on Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 02:12:42PM -0500: > If this machine needs to be: > > A) Secure Yes, because we all know the great history of SunOS/Solaris security. > C) Connected to the Internet If only linux had networking support... *sigh* something to look at for 2.(5|6) I suppose. -- ============================================== timothy lupfer http://www.assimilated.org tl@assimilated.org tlupfe01@euclid.hamline.edu ============================================== Troubled day for virgins over 16 who are beautiful and wealthy and live in eucalyptus trees. From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Oct 8 22:30:02 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] People who haven't picked up their LOKI games yet Message-ID: Hey there, Sorry for sending this to the list, but some of these peoples' Email is bouncing. If you haven't picked up your Loki games yet, CONTACT ME IN PERSON. This is the LAST TIME I'm sending out a message about this. I don't want any "Er... I want to pick them up... I don't know when... uhhhh" messages, either. I'll let these things gather dust for a while longer, but eventually I'll like, move or something, and I can't guarantee they'll survive that. -Yaron -- From jay at slushpupie.com Mon Oct 8 22:46:01 2001 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] People who haven't picked up their LOKI games yet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011009034551.NLW11991.femail16.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> hey, if they dont pick them up, I will be glad to take them off your hands :-) Jay On Monday 08 October 2001 10:29 pm, you wrote: > Hey there, > > Sorry for sending this to the list, but some of these peoples' Email is > bouncing. > > If you haven't picked up your Loki games yet, CONTACT ME IN PERSON. > > This is the LAST TIME I'm sending out a message about this. I don't want > any "Er... I want to pick them up... I don't know when... uhhhh" messages, > either. I'll let these things gather dust for a while longer, but > eventually I'll like, move or something, and I can't guarantee they'll > survive that. > > -Yaron -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- Q: Why is Christmas just like a day at the office? A: You do all of the work and the fat guy in the suit gets all the credit. From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Oct 8 22:53:00 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] People who haven't picked up their LOKI games yet In-Reply-To: <20011009034551.NLW11991.femail16.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Message-ID: Hey, On Mon, 8 Oct 2001, Jay Kline wrote: > hey, if they dont pick them up, I will be glad to take them off your hands :-) I'd have no problem with that, except these people have already paid. Though I think I should charge them a surplus for storage, like maybe $10/month (hint hint) -Yaron -- From tanner at real-time.com Mon Oct 8 23:10:01 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.2 Update In-Reply-To: ; from chuck@redroot.org on Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 07:45:23PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20011008230956.E31097@real-time.com> Quoting Chuck Milam (chuck@redroot.org): > > Any update on the Red Hat 7.2 release? All the mirrors seem to have it, > but the perms are still set tight on the 7.2 directory. > > Isn't this kind of strange? I don't recall a Red Hat release being > delayed quite in this manner before. The release to the official mirrors is early this time so that all(?) of us can get the files before the official release. The last release was made 2 days after the official mirrors could get the files, so official mirrors where competing with end users for bandwidth, which ticked off a lot of mirrors. Since most of the non-US mirrors take several days to get the files, we got access almost 2 weeks in advance of the official release. I'm hearing Oct 15th for the official release date. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Mon Oct 8 23:13:02 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 7.2 default bootloader = GRUB Message-ID: <20011008231202.F31097@real-time.com> With RH 7.2, the default bootloader is GRUB, anyone care to enlighten me on why the switch? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tl at assimilated.org Tue Oct 9 00:32:01 2001 From: tl at assimilated.org (Tim Lupfer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 7.2 default bootloader = GRUB In-Reply-To: <20011008231202.F31097@real-time.com> References: <20011008231202.F31097@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011009002634.B1546@assimilated.org> >>>>> Bob Tanner wrote on Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 11:12:02PM -0500: > With RH 7.2, the default bootloader is GRUB, anyone care to enlighten me on why > the switch? I have no idea why redhat made the switch, but I've been using grub for a while now and I really like it for the following reason 1.) cute menu 2.) Works well on disks that with lilo would hang with "LI" 3.) no need to be rerun anytime the menu list is changed. -- ============================================== timothy lupfer http://www.assimilated.org tl@assimilated.org tlupfe01@euclid.hamline.edu ============================================== You will have long and healthy life. From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Tue Oct 9 08:09:46 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] email progs -- HELP! In-Reply-To: <3BC22F4E.202@slava.net> References: <3BC10775.6000401@slava.net> <20011008041316.E87566@io.stderr.net> <3BC22F4E.202@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011009075716.A15370@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 05:57:18PM -0500, Lorry wrote: > I was trying to use sendmail, since I already have it and it is the > default setting in mutt. I think that mutt is pretty much MTA agnostic. I think that the confusion comes from the fact that most (all ?) MTA provide compatibility with Sendmail - i.e. on Debian, exim (along with other MTAs) provides a version /usr/lib/sendmail and this file is what mutt invokes to send the mail. So I would recommend that you try a simpler MTA than Sendmail, so that you'll have an easier time debugging. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org Cookies are tasty! |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://freesklyarov.org/ From Ben at WorksCited.Net Tue Oct 9 08:45:01 2001 From: Ben at WorksCited.Net (Ben Stallings) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] email progs -- HELP! In-Reply-To: <3BC10775.6000401@slava.net> References: <3BC10775.6000401@slava.net> Message-ID: <01100811045804.00720@Romana> On Sunday 07 October 2001 20:55, Lorry wrote: > OK, I was already getting mad at Mozilla mail, and now some idiot is > sending me huge attachments that are obviously viruses I do not want, > and even with the filter on to delete it, it still downloads it into the > trash folder. Or at least it tries to, and runs out of room, and I get > an error message and I can't download any of my mail. So now I have to > download my mail using hotmail. This sucks. I'm glad to hear you got this fixed on the client side. Another way to approach the solution is to have the Hotmail server filter your mail as it comes in, so that the large attachment never winds up in your inbox at all and so doesn't count toward your server quota. I don't know if Hotmail offers this service, but Yahoo does, and I'm very happy with it. --Ben From fish at slava.net Tue Oct 9 08:48:00 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] determination waning (STILL sendmail) References: <3BC10775.6000401@slava.net> <20011008041316.E87566@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <3BC2FF00.3050202@slava.net> I added a couple lines to .muttrc as recommended (I had most but not all those lines). Now I don't get the Message Undeliverable emails, but they still don't get through. Except one. I sent a test mail to all of my U of M accounts (I have three) and one got through. I got so excited and started sending more mails but none of them got through. As for what I have in the local-host-names file, I put 'slava.net' because that's what's at the end of my email address... that's my homepage and so on. What should be there? Lorry, who has said '$&%* it' and is using Mozilla until this gets sorted From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Oct 9 09:05:01 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] People who haven't picked up their LOKI games yet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Oct 2001, Yaron wrote: > I'd have no problem with that, except these people have already paid. > Though I think I should charge them a surplus for storage, like maybe > $10/month (hint hint) and use the $10/mo to order more games! From fish at slava.net Tue Oct 9 09:15:02 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] People who haven't picked up their LOKI games yet References: Message-ID: <3BC305B2.9080805@slava.net> All right, I'll go ahead and ask... What IS a loki game? A game with Loki? About Loki? Are there Odin, Frey, and Heimdahl games too? Lorry, who will one day be able to answer more questions than she asks, but don't hold your breath Brian wrote: >On Mon, 8 Oct 2001, Yaron wrote: > >>I'd have no problem with that, except these people have already paid. >>Though I think I should charge them a surplus for storage, like maybe >>$10/month (hint hint) >> > >and use the $10/mo to order more games! > From esper at sherohman.org Tue Oct 9 09:22:11 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] People who haven't picked up their LOKI games yet In-Reply-To: <3BC305B2.9080805@slava.net>; from fish@slava.net on Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 09:12:02AM -0500 References: <3BC305B2.9080805@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011009092121.A26417@sherohman.org> On Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 09:12:02AM -0500, Lorry wrote: > All right, I'll go ahead and ask... > What IS a loki game? A game with Loki? About Loki? Are there Odin, > Frey, and Heimdahl games too? Games published by Loki, a company which ports games from Windows to Linux. See www.lokigames.com for details. (And I wish that any - or all - of your guesses were correct...) -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Mr. Slippery From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Oct 9 09:28:00 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] People who haven't picked up their LOKI games yet In-Reply-To: <3BC305B2.9080805@slava.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Oct 2001, Lorry wrote: > All right, I'll go ahead and ask... > What IS a loki game? A game with Loki? About Loki? Are there Odin, > Frey, and Heimdahl games too? Loki is a company that ported a bunch of kickass Windows games to linux. They had a special price deal for LUGs (1/2 off? more?) and thanks to Yaron we ordered a small truckload of games. Now people who haved paid for their games aren't picking them up and I say we start using them as LUG prizes pretty soon :-). -Brian From fish at slava.net Tue Oct 9 09:31:32 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] People who haven't picked up their LOKI games yet References: <3BC305B2.9080805@slava.net> <20011009092121.A26417@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <3BC308D8.9090401@slava.net> Dave Sherohman wrote: >(And I wish that any - or all - of your guesses were correct...) > Yeah, I was kind of excited about the prospect of playing with deities myself! Oh well, can't have everything. Will check out that site... thanks! From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Oct 9 09:38:00 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] People who haven't picked up their LOKI games yet Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF9F@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> It appears that Lorry is not familiar with slashdot.org. But I've now let the cat out of the bag, and any hopes of her getting actual work done now go down the tubes with the constant and incessant refreshing of slashdot's main page in anxious wait of a new story. (not that I do this. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Lorry [mailto:fish@slava.net] > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 9:25 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] People who haven't picked up their LOKI games yet > > > > > Dave Sherohman wrote: > > >(And I wish that any - or all - of your guesses were correct...) > > > > Yeah, I was kind of excited about the prospect of playing > with deities > myself! Oh well, can't have everything. > Will check out that site... thanks! > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jay at slushpupie.com Tue Oct 9 09:46:01 2001 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] People who haven't picked up their LOKI games yet In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF9F@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF9F@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011009144508.MGON1573.femail19.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Many companies block their employees from viewing such sites as hotmail.com, AIM, and games.msn.com in hopes to maintain some productivity.. anyone heard of a company blocking slashdot.org for the same reasons? :-) My guess is it dosnt happen because the people to set up the blocking mechanizms are the ones viewing slashdot... much the same way quake servers happen to end up on unused machines in the back room with static IP addresses on fast internet connections... On Tuesday 09 October 2001 09:36 am, you wrote: > It appears that Lorry is not familiar with slashdot.org. > > But I've now let the cat out of the bag, and any hopes of her getting > actual work done now go down the tubes with the constant and incessant > refreshing of slashdot's main page in anxious wait of a new story. (not > that I do this. :) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lorry [mailto:fish@slava.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 9:25 AM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] People who haven't picked up their LOKI games yet > > > > Dave Sherohman wrote: > > >(And I wish that any - or all - of your guesses were correct...) > > > > Yeah, I was kind of excited about the prospect of playing > > with deities > > myself! Oh well, can't have everything. > > Will check out that site... thanks! > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- Q: How was Thomas J. Watson buried? A: 9 edge down. From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Tue Oct 9 09:50:30 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] People who haven't picked up their LOKI games yet In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF9F@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Austad, Jay |Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 9:37 AM |To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' |Subject: RE: [TCLUG] People who haven't picked up their LOKI games yet | | |It appears that Lorry is not familiar with slashdot.org. | |But I've now let the cat out of the bag, and any hopes of her |getting actual |work done now go down the tubes with the constant and incessant refreshing |of slashdot's main page in anxious wait of a new story. (not that I do |this. :) | That's why I like Opera--5 windows all set to refresh every 30 minutes or so: linuxtoday.com slashdot.org lwn.net/daily newsforge.net wininformant.com ---yes a windows site, only updates once/day. No, I don't actually get any work done :) From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Oct 9 09:53:52 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sun/Solars vs Linux In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 08 Oct 2001 16:28:48 CDT." References: Message-ID: <20011009144637.777FE184B0@skuld.wk> The discussion comparing Linux/{Intel/Sun/HP/IBM/Mac} Sun/Solaris may be interesting, but it boils down to what you need in a server and who delivers it. There can be and are mission critical applications being run on Linux machines every day. We have precedence of this happening on a wide spread basis. Depending upon what you wish to run, and who supports the desired software and hardware, you will have to make your choice between Linux or some other "commercial-grade" UNIX. Remember, the commercial UNIX'es have 20+ years of reputation over Linux, an infant to the POSIX OS world. UNIX is and will be the champion of many a Sysadmin for many years to come. The Intel architecture itself was never intended for servers in the first place. It was a fairly recent phenomenon, relatively speaking, to see Intel servers dominate the business networks. We largely have Microsoft to blame/praise for this in making their Windows operating systems accessible at a low-cost entry. Investing in a $5000 Intel server made and continues to make accountants much happier than investing in a $50,000 server. Still, the Intel platform can perform well under many applications. The term "mission critical" itself is misleading. Factory device/machine controllers are far different mission critical operations than RDBMS transactions or packet routing. The versatility of Linux in that it can operate well in any of these jobs makes it quite attractive. Especially when you consider it's current state of portability. Still, if your production line vendor only supports Sun device drivers and management software, guess what you'll be using. Would I use Linux for "mission critical" applications? Certainly. I've worked with multiple business that have successfully deployed very dependable Linux environments. Is it the right solution for every problem domain? Absolutely not. Why? "When you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail." -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Oct 9 10:02:01 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] People who haven't picked up their LOKI games yet Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDFA2@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > Many companies block their employees from viewing such sites > as hotmail.com, > AIM, and games.msn.com in hopes to maintain some > productivity.. anyone > heard of a company blocking slashdot.org for the same reasons? :-) > > My guess is it dosnt happen because the people to set up the blocking > mechanizms are the ones viewing slashdot... much the same > way quake > servers happen to end up on unused machines in the back room > with static IP > addresses on fast internet connections... Pfft. What? I have no idea what you're talking about. Jeez. Now if you'll excuse me, it's 10:00am on Tuesday and it's routine that I transparent proxy all of the journalism and marketing dept's http traffic to http://www.seizurebots.com so I can actually get some work done the rest of the day. From chuck at redroot.org Tue Oct 9 10:30:01 2001 From: chuck at redroot.org (Chuck Milam) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] People who haven't picked up their LOKI games yet In-Reply-To: <20011009144508.MGON1573.femail19.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Oct 2001, Jay Kline wrote: > Many companies block their employees from viewing such sites as > hotmail.com, AIM, and games.msn.com in hopes to maintain some > productivity.. anyone heard of a company blocking slashdot.org for > the same reasons? :-) I saw something in an article about productivity that went something like this: Before computers, there was the water cooler. Same issues, different distractions. Nothing will prevent bored people from goofing of on the job. My personal rant on this topic goes like this: Productivity is a people problem, not a technology problem. Trying to cure people problems with technology like blocking software is like trying to cure a rash with a screwdriver. It's kind of funny how these management types who pride themselves in their ability to lead/manage/facilitate/whatever people don't address things like this directly. They hide behind web proxies and worker surfing habit reports to avoid the real problem: bored, under-motivated workers. It's a lot harder to motivate someone than it is to block a few web sites. From chrome at real-time.com Tue Oct 9 11:08:00 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] determination waning (STILL sendmail) In-Reply-To: <3BC2FF00.3050202@slava.net>; from fish@slava.net on Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 08:43:28AM -0500 References: <3BC10775.6000401@slava.net> <20011008041316.E87566@io.stderr.net> <3BC2FF00.3050202@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011009110753.A2797@real-time.com> > Now I don't get the Message Undeliverable emails, but they still don't > get through. Except one. I sent a test mail to all of my U of M > accounts (I have three) and one got through. I got so excited and > started sending more mails but none of them got through. where did they end up? did some get through, but mangled? Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Oct 9 11:33:00 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (jethro@freakzilla.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] People who haven't picked up their LOKI games yet In-Reply-To: <3BC305B2.9080805@slava.net> References: <3BC305B2.9080805@slava.net> Message-ID: <1002645166.3bc326ae87ac4@dragon> Hey, Quoting Lorry : > All right, I'll go ahead and ask... > What IS a loki game? A game with Loki? About Loki? Are there Odin, > Frey, and Heimdahl games too? Actually, one of the games Loki ported is Rune, which actually DOES involve Loki and Odin (and a bunch of their friends and relatives). They don't really do much more than talk though, and leave the business of killing everything that moves to you. -Yaron -- From esper at sherohman.org Tue Oct 9 12:12:11 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] People who haven't picked up their LOKI games yet In-Reply-To: <1002645166.3bc326ae87ac4@dragon>; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 11:32:46AM -0500 References: <3BC305B2.9080805@slava.net> <1002645166.3bc326ae87ac4@dragon> Message-ID: <20011009120623.C26417@sherohman.org> On Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 11:32:46AM -0500, jethro@freakzilla.com wrote: > Quoting Lorry : > > All right, I'll go ahead and ask... > > What IS a loki game? A game with Loki? About Loki? Are there Odin, > > Frey, and Heimdahl games too? > > Actually, one of the games Loki ported is Rune, which actually DOES involve > Loki and Odin (and a bunch of their friends and relatives). *grumble* I suspect that Loki and Hel would be suing for defamation of character over their portrayal in Rune, if only the courts would take their case... (And I bet that Loki would be a kickass lawyer, too.) -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Mr. Slippery From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Tue Oct 9 12:26:00 2001 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bell Problem with Mandrake 8.1 Message-ID: <15299.13053.587188.612407@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> I was unable to resist the lure of the bleeding edge and replaced my old RH 6.2 install with Mandrake 8.1. By and large the results seem good. The installation went very smoothly. BUT.... Now, occasionally when I use peripherals, like downloading pictures from the digital camera through a serial port, or printing, some driver or something starts sending beeps through the on-board speaker. Nothing comes out through the soundcard to the external speakers, but a periodic beeping starts, which eventually changes into a constant whine and then I have to reboot! Nothing is logged into any of the logfiles I can find. I'm about yay close to giving up and replacing with RedHat 7.1 (don't want to learn any new methods for init, now that I figured out the RH style), but thought I'd ask for suggestions first.... Thanks, R From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Oct 9 12:37:00 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] People who haven't picked up their LOKI games yet In-Reply-To: <1002645166.3bc326ae87ac4@dragon>; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 11:32:46AM -0500 References: <3BC305B2.9080805@slava.net> <1002645166.3bc326ae87ac4@dragon> Message-ID: <20011009123730.A1830@llama.sistina.com> On Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 11:32:46AM -0500, jethro@freakzilla.com wrote: > Hey, > >Quoting Lorry : > >> All right, I'll go ahead and ask... >> What IS a loki game? A game with Loki? About Loki? Are there Odin, >> Frey, and Heimdahl games too? http://www.lokigames.com <-- windows games ported to linux. Now if they'd port diablo2 i'd be exstatic. > >Actually, one of the games Loki ported is Rune, which actually DOES involve >Loki and Odin (and a bunch of their friends and relatives). They don't really >do much more than talk though, and leave the business of killing everything >that moves to you. > >-Yaron > >-- >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. "Front Towards Enemy" - Text on the front of an M-18 Claymore Mine -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If they ported D2 AND the expansion, I would never touch a windows box again. ~j From fish at slava.net Tue Oct 9 13:01:01 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] determination waning (STILL sendmail) References: <3BC10775.6000401@slava.net> <20011008041316.E87566@io.stderr.net> <3BC2FF00.3050202@slava.net> <20011009110753.A2797@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3BC33AB8.8000009@slava.net> I don't know where they ended up but I know where they did not end up (which would be where I sent them). How do I find this out? Lorry Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: >>Now I don't get the Message Undeliverable emails, but they still don't >>get through. Except one. I sent a test mail to all of my U of M >>accounts (I have three) and one got through. I got so excited and >>started sending more mails but none of them got through. >> > >where did they end up? did some get through, but mangled? > >Carl Soderstrom > From fish at slava.net Tue Oct 9 13:08:00 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] People who haven't picked up their LOKI games yet References: <3BC305B2.9080805@slava.net> <1002645166.3bc326ae87ac4@dragon> Message-ID: <3BC33C6D.4070901@slava.net> jethro@freakzilla.com wrote: >Actually, one of the games Loki ported is Rune, which actually DOES involve >Loki and Odin (and a bunch of their friends and relatives). They don't really >do much more than talk though, and leave the business of killing everything >that moves to you. > All talk, no action? Doesn't sound too representative of them! Dave Sherohman wrote: >*grumble* I suspect that Loki and Hel would be suing for defamation >of character over their portrayal in Rune, if only the courts would >take their case... (And I bet that Loki would be a kickass lawyer, >too.) > Too true! It might be worth getting cable TV to see that! From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Oct 9 13:14:28 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (jethro@freakzilla.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] People who haven't picked up their LOKI games yet In-Reply-To: <3BC33C6D.4070901@slava.net> References: <3BC305B2.9080805@slava.net> <1002645166.3bc326ae87ac4@dragon> <3BC33C6D.4070901@slava.net> Message-ID: <1002651204.3bc33e441721f@dragon> Hey, Quoting Lorry : > All talk, no action? Doesn't sound too representative of them! Loki's pretty much rambling around like a green Steve Buscemi. the game's claim to fame really is goriness - I don't know any other game where you can kill a dwarf, then pick up one of it's limbs and beat other dwarves to death with it. -Yaron -- From fish at slava.net Tue Oct 9 13:39:01 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] People who haven't picked up their LOKI games yet References: Message-ID: <3BC343A5.6080807@slava.net> NOOOO! No more sites to look at! I already have two comic strips and a handful of Yahoo! clubs, and I only look once a day at most of those. It already eats into my homework time.... argh! James Spinti wrote: >That's why I like Opera--5 windows all set to refresh every 30 minutes or >so: > linuxtoday.com > slashdot.org > lwn.net/daily > newsforge.net > wininformant.com ---yes a windows site, only updates once/day. > >No, I don't actually get any work done :) > From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Tue Oct 9 13:52:01 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] People who haven't picked up their LOKI games yet In-Reply-To: <3BC343A5.6080807@slava.net> Message-ID: Which comic sites? userfriendly.org and ubersoft.net are my favorites. Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Lorry |Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 1:36 PM |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org |Subject: Re: [TCLUG] People who haven't picked up their LOKI games yet | | |NOOOO! No more sites to look at! I already have two comic strips and a |handful of Yahoo! clubs, and I only look once a day at most of those. | It already eats into my homework time.... argh! From fish at slava.net Tue Oct 9 13:56:01 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] People who haven't picked up their LOKI games yet References: Message-ID: <3BC34796.7060002@slava.net> Some people don't listen when I say "no more sites" evidently! sluggy.net and nuklearpower.com/comic *grudingly looks at two more sites* James Spinti wrote: >Which comic sites? userfriendly.org and ubersoft.net are my favorites. > >Thanks, > From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Oct 9 14:01:01 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] People who haven't picked up their LOKI games yet In-Reply-To: ; from jspinti@dart.dartdist.com on Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 01:53:01PM -0500 References: <3BC343A5.6080807@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011009140133.C1991@llama.sistina.com> On Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 01:53:01PM -0500, James Spinti wrote: >Which comic sites? userfriendly.org and ubersoft.net are my favorites. littls-gamers.com goats.com > >Thanks, > >James Spinti >jspinti at dartdist.com >952-368-3278 x396 >fax 952-368-3255 > >|-----Original Message----- >|From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org >|[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Lorry >|Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 1:36 PM >|To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >|Subject: Re: [TCLUG] People who haven't picked up their LOKI games yet >| >| >|NOOOO! No more sites to look at! I already have two comic strips and a >|handful of Yahoo! clubs, and I only look once a day at most of those. >| It already eats into my homework time.... argh! > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. "Front Towards Enemy" - Text on the front of an M-18 Claymore Mine -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I got so excited and > started sending more mails but none of them got through. > > As for what I have in the local-host-names file, I put 'slava.net' > because that's what's at the end of my email address... that's my > homepage and so on. What should be there? > > Lorry, who has said '$&%* it' and is using Mozilla until this gets sorted Ok. I'm jumping a bit late. Did you give us your sendmail.mc file? With that we'll at least be able to see what your sendmail config is. Gabe, who would like to help, but doesn't have anough info to know what the hell is going on ;) -- Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Oct 9 14:13:01 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] People who haven't picked up their LOKI games yet Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDFAB@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Redmeat.com is another good one. Twisted, but good. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Lutgens [mailto:blutgens@sistina.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 2:02 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] People who haven't picked up their LOKI games yet > > > On Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 01:53:10PM -0500, Lorry wrote: > >Some people don't listen when I say "no more sites" evidently! > >sluggy.net and nuklearpower.com/comic > > sinfest.net > megatokyo.com > > > > >*grudingly looks at two more sites* > > > >James Spinti wrote: > > > >>Which comic sites? userfriendly.org and ubersoft.net are my > >>favorites. > >> > >>Thanks, > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > >Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > Ben Lutgens > Sistina Software Inc. > > "Front Towards Enemy" > - Text on the front of an M-18 Claymore Mine > From jacque at fruitioninc.com Tue Oct 9 14:17:01 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] People who haven't picked up their LOKI games yet In-Reply-To: <20011009140133.C1991@llama.sistina.com> Message-ID: > littls-gamers.com > goats.com > I love goats. Damn, its funny. Three more of my faves are: http://www.dieselsweeties.com (only M W F, Lorry) And After Y2K: www.after-y2k.com (only once a week, if that) And Joy of Tech: http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/index.html (ok this one is 5 days..but its funny) ~j From fish at slava.net Tue Oct 9 14:21:01 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] determination waning (STILL sendmail) References: <3BC10775.6000401@slava.net> <20011008041316.E87566@io.stderr.net> <3BC2FF00.3050202@slava.net> <20011009140610.C6903@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3BC34CA1.6070504@slava.net> OK, here it is. And here's the .muttrc (with my password taken out). Have a ball. :) Gabe Turner wrote: >Ok. I'm jumping a bit late. Did you give us your sendmail.mc file? With >that we'll at least be able to see what your sendmail config is. > >Gabe, who would like to help, but doesn't have anough info to know what the > hell is going on ;) > -------------- next part -------------- set envelope_from set from='fish@slava.net' set hidden_host=yes set hostname='slava.net' set pop_host='s3.quintessential.com' set pop_user='alcyone%slava.net' set pop_pass='' set pop_delete=yes set realname='Lorry' set beep_new=yes set reverse_name=yes my_hdr From: 'fish@slava.net' -------------- next part -------------- divert(-1) dnl This is the macro config file used to generate the /etc/sendmail.cf dnl file. If you modify this file you will have to regenerate the dnl /etc/sendmail.cf by running this macro config through the m4 dnl preprocessor: dnl dnl m4 /etc/mail/sendmail.mc > /etc/mail/sendmail.cf dnl dnl You will need to have the sendmail-cf package installed for this to dnl work if you use an rpm build of sendmail dnl include(`../m4/cf.m4') dnl dnl If you compile sendmail from a tarball, use the include above. dnl In this setup, you should create the file as cf/cf/config.mc dnl (in the sendmail source tree: eg. /usr/src/sendmail-8.11.2/cf/cf dnl Now give the command "sh Build config.cf". Now copy the file dnl config.cf as /etc/mail/sendmail.cf (remember to backup first&) dnl dnl If you are using the RPM build of sendmail, use the dnl include statement given below instead dnl dnl include(`/usr/lib/sendmail-cf/m4/cf.m4') define(`confDEF_USER_ID',``8:12'') OSTYPE(`linux') undefine(`UUCP_RELAY') undefine(`BITNET_RELAY') define(`confCF_VERSION',`dialup-1.3') define(`SMART_HOST', `slava.net') define(`confAUTO_REBUILD') define(`confTO_CONNECT', `1m') define(`confTO_IDENT',0) define(`confTRY_NULL_MX_LIST',true) define(`confDONT_PROBE_INTERFACES',true) define(`confCON_EXPENSIVE',true) define(`confDELIVERY_MODE', `queued') define(`PROCMAIL_MAILER_PATH',`/usr/bin/procmail') define(`ALIAS_FILE',`/etc/mail/aliases') MASQUERADE_AS(`slava.net') FEATURE(`masquerade_envelope') FEATURE(`smrsh',`/usr/sbin/smrsh') FEATURE(`mailertable',`hash -o /etc/mail/mailertable') FEATURE(`virtusertable',`hash -o /etc/mail/virtusertable') FEATURE(redirect) FEATURE(always_add_domain) FEATURE(use_cw_file) FEATURE(`use_ct_file') FEATURE(local_procmail) MAILER(smtp) MAILER(procmail) FEATURE(`access_db') FEATURE(`blacklist_recipients') FEATURE(`accept_unresolvable_domains') FEATURE(`accept_unqualified_senders') dnl FEATURE(`relay_based_on_MX') From foeclan at winternet.com Tue Oct 9 14:26:01 2001 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] People who haven't picked up their LOKI games yet In-Reply-To: <3BC34796.7060002@slava.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Oct 2001, Lorry wrote: > Some people don't listen when I say "no more sites" evidently! We listen, we're just evil. I usually do: Sluggy Freelance (sluggy.com) User Friendly (userfriendly.org) Kevin and Kell (kevinandkell.com) Penny Arcade (penny-arcade.com/view.php3) After Y2K (after-y2k.org, gets updated ~1/week) 8-Bit Theatre (nuklearpower.com/comic) -- Michael Vieths Foeclan@Winternet.Com From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Oct 9 14:28:56 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: 7.2 default bootloader = GRUB In-Reply-To: <20011008231202.F31097@real-time.com> References: <20011008231202.F31097@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011009142541.B21884@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [011008 23:13]: > With RH 7.2, the default bootloader is GRUB, anyone care to enlighten me on why > the switch? I've been using grub for months on over a hundred machines? :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net "History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." - Justice Thurgood Marshall (1989) From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Tue Oct 9 14:34:26 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] People who haven't picked up their LOKI games yet In-Reply-To: <20011009140133.C1991@llama.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 02:01:33PM -0500 References: <3BC343A5.6080807@slava.net> <20011009140133.C1991@llama.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20011009142743.A22946@trammell.dyndns.org> On Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 02:01:33PM -0500, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 01:53:01PM -0500, James Spinti wrote: > >Which comic sites? userfriendly.org and ubersoft.net are my favorites. > > littls-gamers.com > goats.com > www.penny-arcade.com -- johntrammell@yahoo.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So, is your goal to just be able to send mail out from your machine, or to be able to recieve mail as well? -- Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu From thomas at stderr.net Tue Oct 9 14:42:02 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] determination waning (STILL sendmail) In-Reply-To: <3BC34CA1.6070504@slava.net>; from fish@slava.net on Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 02:14:41PM -0500 References: <3BC10775.6000401@slava.net> <20011008041316.E87566@io.stderr.net> <3BC2FF00.3050202@slava.net> <20011009140610.C6903@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> <3BC34CA1.6070504@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011009213544.B14062@io.stderr.net> On Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 02:14:41PM -0500, Lorry wrote: > OK, here it is. And here's the .muttrc (with my password taken out). > Have a ball. ... > define(`SMART_HOST', `slava.net') I believe SMART_HOST should be set to your ISP's smtp server (The one where you have your cable connection, not where the mail is hosted). -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From rahrenstorff at yahoo.com Tue Oct 9 14:46:30 2001 From: rahrenstorff at yahoo.com (Rodd Ahrenstorff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bastion host project... Message-ID: <01100821045400.01243@localhost.localdomain> WOW...I didn't mean to generate so much conversation with my simple request, but thankyou! I really appreciate the knowledge you all have shown concerning this "project". I think I can begin the first leg of this by purchasing some the recommended hardware and assembling the box. I can tell by the content of your posts the TCLUG is a resource for serious Linux knowhow. Can't wait to attend a meeting (even though much of it might be over my head). _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From myok at ogzr.org Tue Oct 9 14:50:27 2001 From: myok at ogzr.org (Myok) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Favorite On-line Comic Sites References: <3BC34796.7060002@slava.net> Message-ID: <007d01c150fa$b9e01100$0265a8c0@here> These are the ones I visit daily or weekly. I like fun stuff with a continuing storyline, and that's hard to find in the newspaper. http://www.crimeweek.com/cidu.html http://www.brunothebandit.com/ http://www.wendycomic.com/cute.html http://www.kevinandkell.com/ http://www.sluggy.com/ http://www.sheldoncomics.com/ http://www.tmcm.com/ http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ http://www.sabrina-online.com/ http://www.exploitationnow.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lorry" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] People who haven't picked up their LOKI games yet > Some people don't listen when I say "no more sites" evidently! > sluggy.net and nuklearpower.com/comic > > *grudingly looks at two more sites* > > James Spinti wrote: > > >Which comic sites? userfriendly.org and ubersoft.net are my favorites. > > > >Thanks, > > From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Oct 9 15:10:23 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: 7.2 default bootloader = GRUB Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDFAF@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > I've been using grub for months on over a hundred machines? :) I don't know, have you? From nate at techie.com Tue Oct 9 15:28:02 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.2 Update In-Reply-To: <20011008230956.E31097@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 11:09:56PM -0500 References: <20011008230956.E31097@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011009152900.A30663@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 11:09:56PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > I'm hearing Oct 15th for the official release date. Is rsync available from the mn-linux.org mirror? Nate From phil at rephil.org Tue Oct 9 15:51:01 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (phil@rephil.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sun/Solars vs Linux In-Reply-To: <20011009144637.777FE184B0@skuld.wk>; from chewie@wookimus.net on Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 09:46:37AM -0500 References: <20011009144637.777FE184B0@skuld.wk> Message-ID: <20011009155011.A3131@rephil.org> On Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 09:46:37AM -0500, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > The discussion comparing Linux/{Intel/Sun/HP/IBM/Mac} Sun/Solaris may > be interesting, but it boils down to what you need in a server and who > delivers it. Very true. > The term "mission critical" itself is misleading. Factory > device/machine controllers are far different mission critical > operations than RDBMS transactions or packet routing. The term mission critical is a buzzword. CNC milling machines and those sorts of applications are why the PDP-11 is still manufactured by Mentec. And UNIX isn't even on the radar as an OS for much of that business. > Would I use Linux for "mission critical" applications? Certainly. > I've worked with multiple business that have successfully deployed > very dependable Linux environments. Is it the right solution for > every problem domain? Absolutely not. Why? > > "When you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail." Again, define mission critical. To me, mission critical is an application where human lives are hanging off the buss. *No* business application is truly mission critical. Maybe I should say I mean MIL-spec, to differen- tiate between that and "high-reliability, high-availability." Nuclear power station control. Space flight. Fly-by-wire systems. The problem with Linux in these applications is the very thing that makes it appealing for many of us. See, the difference is when you have to sign off and *guaranty* performance and assume liability, you don't want to incorporate code that has come from anywhere you haven't explicitly verified. And to refer to Carl's post, there do exist OS's that will handle an out-of-memory condition, but they aren't of the Unix family. VMS or NSK, and maybe MPE will, I believe. So it's semantics again -- define mission critical, and you have determined your functional spec and probably made it a lot more clear what OS. Chewie hit the nail on the head saying nothing is the right solution for everything. I just want to point out that there's a level of reliability that we don't ever really get to hear of, or play with much, in the open source world. And it's not driven by business. -- I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. From chuck at redroot.org Tue Oct 9 16:43:26 2001 From: chuck at redroot.org (Chuck Milam) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.2 Update In-Reply-To: <20011009152900.A30663@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Oct 2001, Nate Straz wrote: > Is rsync available from the mn-linux.org mirror? I'm a big rsync fan. Much nicer than HTTP/FTP when sucking down big ISOs. Is it less of a strain on the server side that HTTP/FTP? From chrome at real-time.com Tue Oct 9 17:04:01 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sun/Solars vs Linux In-Reply-To: <20011009155011.A3131@rephil.org>; from phil@rephil.org on Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 03:50:11PM -0500 References: <20011009144637.777FE184B0@skuld.wk> <20011009155011.A3131@rephil.org> Message-ID: <20011009170301.F24144@real-time.com> > And to refer to Carl's post, there do exist OS's that will handle an > out-of-memory condition, but they aren't of the Unix family. VMS or NSK, > and maybe MPE will, I believe. I don't know anything about NSK or MPE; but Alan Cox claims he can crash VMS (and any other OS) with a carefully constructed memory attack. Carl. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From tanner at real-time.com Tue Oct 9 17:17:00 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.2 Update In-Reply-To: <20011009152900.A30663@candle.mn.mediaone.net>; from nate@techie.com on Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 03:29:00PM -0500 References: <20011008230956.E31097@real-time.com> <20011009152900.A30663@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20011009171625.W26659@real-time.com> Quoting Nate Straz (nate@techie.com): > On Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 11:09:56PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > I'm hearing Oct 15th for the official release date. > > Is rsync available from the mn-linux.org mirror? Nope. Why would you want to use rsync? Just curious. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Tue Oct 9 17:20:01 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.2 Update In-Reply-To: ; from chuck@redroot.org on Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 04:42:34PM -0500 References: <20011009152900.A30663@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20011009171911.X26659@real-time.com> Quoting Chuck Milam (chuck@redroot.org): > > On Tue, 9 Oct 2001, Nate Straz wrote: > > > Is rsync available from the mn-linux.org mirror? > > I'm a big rsync fan. Much nicer than HTTP/FTP when sucking down big ISOs. > > Is it less of a strain on the server side that HTTP/FTP? Is there such a thing as anonymous rsync? They way I have seen it used you have to authenticate to use it. How about rsync over ssh, does that cause more of a performance hit? I'm not apposed to opening up rsync to public release of "stuff" on the server, if the desire is there, the performance hit is not too great, etc... -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Oct 9 17:22:01 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Handling `out of memory' conditions (Was: Sun/Solars vs Linux) In-Reply-To: <20011009155011.A3131@rephil.org> References: <20011009144637.777FE184B0@skuld.wk> <20011009155011.A3131@rephil.org> Message-ID: <20011009172044.21dc15b4.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> phil@rephil.org wrote: > > And to refer to Carl's post, there do exist OS's that will handle an > out-of-memory condition, but they aren't of the Unix family. VMS or > NSK, and maybe MPE will, I believe. Out of curiosity, what would be good ways to handle the problem? I know that the Linux kernel will kill processes in these sorts of conditions in an attempt to free up memory. I'm not sure how the kernel picks a process to kill. Now that I think about it, the kernel has probably killed my X server a few times, explaining why my system has occasionally appeared to be unresponsive at the console. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ How many of you believe / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ in telekinesis? Raise \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) my hand! [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Much nicer than HTTP/FTP when sucking down big ISOs. > > > > Is it less of a strain on the server side that HTTP/FTP? > > Is there such a thing as anonymous rsync? Yes. rsync ftp.funet.fi:: is one anonymous rsync server. and _DAMN_ that came up fast here considering it's on the other side of the atlantic. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From nate at techie.com Tue Oct 9 17:48:01 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.2 Update In-Reply-To: <20011009171625.W26659@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 05:16:25PM -0500 References: <20011008230956.E31097@real-time.com> <20011009152900.A30663@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <20011009171625.W26659@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011009174901.A17000@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 05:16:25PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Nate Straz (nate@techie.com): > > On Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 11:09:56PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > I'm hearing Oct 15th for the official release date. > > > > Is rsync available from the mn-linux.org mirror? > > Nope. > > Why would you want to use rsync? Just curious. Because I already downloaded most of the roswell release and I'd like to download as little as possible. :) Nate From tl at assimilated.org Tue Oct 9 18:02:01 2001 From: tl at assimilated.org (tim lupfer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] xf86 4.1.0 Message-ID: <15296.55872.15871.218538@matilda.assimilated.org> Last night I dist-upgraded my laptop running debian to woody, with this came xf86 4.1.0 and a broken X server that would sig11. At first I just assumed that as usual my idiocy accounted for the X server being broken, but alas, a google search turned up quite a few other chips and techs based laptops that broke with 4.1.0, and presented the solution simply as downgrading to 4.0.3 (which I did, and everything is working again). I just wanted to see if anyone has encountered a similar problem, or is successfully running a chips and tech based laptop with 4.1.0. -- ============================================== timothy lupfer http://www.assimilated.org tl@assimilated.org tlupfe01@euclid.hamline.edu ============================================== You're growing out of some of your problems, but there are others that you're growing into. From fish at slava.net Tue Oct 9 18:26:00 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] determination waning (STILL sendmail) References: <3BC10775.6000401@slava.net> <20011008041316.E87566@io.stderr.net> <3BC2FF00.3050202@slava.net> <20011009140610.C6903@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> <3BC34CA1.6070504@slava.net> <20011009142815.E6903@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3BC386DD.4000409@slava.net> I can already receive in mutt, and I'd like to keep that capability! :) Gabe Turner wrote: >On Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 02:14:41PM -0500, Lorry wrote: > >>OK, here it is. And here's the .muttrc (with my password taken out). >>Have a ball. >> >>:) >> > >Ok. So, is your goal to just be able to send mail out from your machine, >or to be able to recieve mail as well? > From sextus at visi.com Tue Oct 9 18:50:02 2001 From: sextus at visi.com (Michael Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Clip Nuts? In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF9A@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from Austad, Jay on Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 05:08:17PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF9A@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011009184954.A29763@visi.com> ON Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 05:08:17PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > ACME Electronics on Washington Ave (kitty corner from d?j? vu), has > rackmount stuff. Might wanna call them. Indeed they do. Their number is 612-338-4754 in case anybody else is interested. -- Michael From fish at slava.net Tue Oct 9 19:09:00 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] determination waning (STILL sendmail) References: <3BC10775.6000401@slava.net> <20011008041316.E87566@io.stderr.net> <3BC2FF00.3050202@slava.net> <20011009140610.C6903@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> <3BC34CA1.6070504@slava.net> <20011009213544.B14062@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <3BC390E6.9070605@slava.net> tried that, no luck :( Thomas Eibner wrote: >On Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 02:14:41PM -0500, Lorry wrote: > >>OK, here it is. And here's the .muttrc (with my password taken out). >>Have a ball. >> >... > >> define(`SMART_HOST', `slava.net') >> > >I believe SMART_HOST should be set to your ISP's smtp server (The one >where you have your cable connection, not where the mail is hosted). > From florin at iucha.net Tue Oct 9 19:16:00 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] xf86 4.1.0 In-Reply-To: <15296.55872.15871.218538@matilda.assimilated.org>; from tl@assimilated.org on Sun, Oct 07, 2001 at 05:42:08PM -0500 References: <15296.55872.15871.218538@matilda.assimilated.org> Message-ID: <20011009191504.A3370@beaver.iucha.org> On Sun, Oct 07, 2001 at 05:42:08PM -0500, tim lupfer wrote: > Last night I dist-upgraded my laptop running debian to woody, with > this came xf86 4.1.0 and a broken X server that would sig11. At first > I just assumed that as usual my idiocy accounted for the X server > being broken, but alas, a google search turned up quite a few other > chips and techs based laptops that broke with 4.1.0, and presented the > solution simply as downgrading to 4.0.3 (which I did, and everything > is working again). I just wanted to see if anyone has encountered a > similar problem, or is successfully running a chips and tech based > laptop with 4.1.0. Check the www.debianplanet.org thread on the topic. A fix is described there. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free speech is simply staggering." - Paul Cantrell, St Paul area software developer On Mon, 8 Oct 2001, Rodd Ahrenstorff wrote: > WOW...I didn't mean to generate so much conversation with my simple request, > but thankyou! I really appreciate the knowledge you all have shown > concerning this "project". I think I can begin the first leg of this by > purchasing some the recommended hardware and assembling the box. I can tell > by the content of your posts the TCLUG is a resource for serious Linux > knowhow. Can't wait to attend a meeting (even though much of it might be > over my head). > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tl at assimilated.org Tue Oct 9 20:24:01 2001 From: tl at assimilated.org (Tim Lupfer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] xf86 4.1.0 In-Reply-To: <20011009191504.A3370@beaver.iucha.org> References: <15296.55872.15871.218538@matilda.assimilated.org> <20011009191504.A3370@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20011009201819.A646@assimilated.org> >>>>> Florin Iucha wrote on Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 07:15:04PM -0500: > On Sun, Oct 07, 2001 at 05:42:08PM -0500, tim lupfer wrote: > > Last night I dist-upgraded my laptop running debian to woody, with > > this came xf86 4.1.0 and a broken X server that would sig11. At first > > I just assumed that as usual my idiocy accounted for the X server > > being broken, but alas, a google search turned up quite a few other > > chips and techs based laptops that broke with 4.1.0, and presented the > > solution simply as downgrading to 4.0.3 (which I did, and everything > > is working again). I just wanted to see if anyone has encountered a > > similar problem, or is successfully running a chips and tech based > > laptop with 4.1.0. > > Check the www.debianplanet.org thread on the topic. A fix is described there. > > florin If you're referring to the thread about 4.1.0-7 and sid, I think it may be an unrelated issue as I 1.) don't think syntax within a config file could possibly create a sig11 2.) found this thread from august (http://lists.kernelnotes.de/debian-user/Week-of-Mon-20010806/000484.html) 3.) have 4.1.0-2 and woody. If I'm looking at the wrong thread please give me a direct link. Thanks. -- ============================================== timothy lupfer http://www.assimilated.org tl@assimilated.org tlupfe01@euclid.hamline.edu ============================================== Truth is the most valuable thing we have -- so let us economize it. -- Mark Twain From lyleandfaye98 at earthlink.net Tue Oct 9 20:25:50 2001 From: lyleandfaye98 at earthlink.net (root) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Zip Drives Message-ID: <3BC3A4F4.65840F42@earthlink.net> I'm sort of a newbie at linux. I just installed Red Hat 7.1 and it works real weel except for my external zip drive plugged into a USB port. After I installed it there is a zip drive icon on my desktop but I can't open it. The line for it in my fstab file reads. /dev/sda4 /mnt/zip100.0 vfat noauto,owner,kudzu 0 0 In the properties for device it says Device: /dev/sda4 Mount Point: /mnt/zip100.0 File type: vfat I would sure appreciate any help I can get for this problem. From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Tue Oct 9 22:04:19 2001 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Zip Drives Message-ID: <011009220320.2021e5f6@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Hi Really simple thing to look at. If this isn't it, I'm sure there's better people here to help you out. /mnt/zip100.0 seems like a weird dir name. Does that actually exist? I have /mnt/zip, but that's 6.2 and not USB so it may be different. Do you get any error messages? /var/log/messages? Ed Hoeffner 1-271 BSBE 312 Church St. SE Mpls, MN 55455 hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu 612-625-2115 612-625-2163 fax From gabe at msi.umn.edu Tue Oct 9 22:13:01 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] determination waning (STILL sendmail) In-Reply-To: <3BC386DD.4000409@slava.net>; from fish@slava.net on Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 06:23:09PM -0500 References: <3BC10775.6000401@slava.net> <20011008041316.E87566@io.stderr.net> <3BC2FF00.3050202@slava.net> <20011009140610.C6903@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> <3BC34CA1.6070504@slava.net> <20011009142815.E6903@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> <3BC386DD.4000409@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011009221226.A7947@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> On Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 06:23:09PM -0500, Lorry wrote: > I can already receive in mutt, and I'd like to keep that capability! :) Alright. So let me just make sure we're on the same page. * Your machine is called slava.net * When you send an email (from outside slava.net) to username@slava.net, it appears in /var/spool/mail/username on slava.net. * When you send an email from slava.net to an email address outside slava.net, that email never arrives. Assuming the above is true, I have a few questions: * When you send an email from slava.net, do you get any error-emails in response from the remote mail server? If so, please send them to the list. * When you send an email from slava.net, do you see any error messages in /var/log/messages or /var/log/maillog on slava.net? If so, send them to the list. Gabe -- Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu From fish at slava.net Tue Oct 9 22:28:00 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] determination waning (STILL sendmail) References: <3BC10775.6000401@slava.net> <20011008041316.E87566@io.stderr.net> <3BC2FF00.3050202@slava.net> <20011009140610.C6903@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> <3BC34CA1.6070504@slava.net> <20011009142815.E6903@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> <3BC386DD.4000409@slava.net> <20011009221226.A7947@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3BC3BFA1.3060209@slava.net> Gabe Turner wrote: >Alright. So let me just make sure we're on the same page. > > * Your machine is called slava.net > No, I don't know what my machine is called anymore. slava.net is (kind of) where my mail is, but not really. slava.net is my virtual domain, and I'm not sure where it is anymore, I think the guy who set it up for me moved. So my email ends in slava.net, but I actually don't check the mail on slava.net. >* When you send an email from slava.net, do you see any error messages > in /var/log/messages or /var/log/maillog on slava.net? If so, send > them to the list. > Hmmm I've never heard of these, I will look and see.... OK, so is my machine called whatever is in the HOSTNAME file? Is that it? So I can put whatever I want in there, or what? no such thing as /var/log/maillog, but I have a /var/log/messages will send shortly From fish at slava.net Tue Oct 9 22:38:01 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] determination waning (STILL sendmail) References: <3BC10775.6000401@slava.net> <20011008041316.E87566@io.stderr.net> <3BC2FF00.3050202@slava.net> <20011009140610.C6903@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> <3BC34CA1.6070504@slava.net> <20011009142815.E6903@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> <3BC386DD.4000409@slava.net> <20011009221226.A7947@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> <3BC3BFA1.3060209@slava.net> Message-ID: <3BC3C1E4.5090909@slava.net> Lorry wrote: > no such thing as /var/log/maillog, but I have a /var/log/messages > will send shortly -------------- next part -------------- Oct 9 22:27:08 alcyone syslogd 1.3-3: restart. Oct 9 22:27:09 alcyone kernel: klogd 1.3-3, log source = /proc/kmsg started. 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Oct 9 22:27:10 alcyone kernel: PPP BSD Compression module registered Oct 9 22:27:10 alcyone kernel: PPP Deflate Compression module registered Oct 9 22:27:10 alcyone kernel: Partition check: Oct 9 22:27:10 alcyone kernel: hda: hda1 hda2 hda3 hda4 < hda5 hda6 hda7 > Oct 9 22:27:10 alcyone kernel: apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x03 (Driver version 1.13) Oct 9 22:27:10 alcyone kernel: [drm] Initialized r128 1.0.0 20000719 on minor 62 Oct 9 22:27:10 alcyone kernel: usb.c: registered new driver hub Oct 9 22:27:10 alcyone kernel: IA-32 Microcode Update Driver: v1.08 Oct 9 22:27:10 alcyone kernel: Adding Swap: 120480k swap-space (priority -1) Oct 9 22:27:10 alcyone kernel: Linux PCMCIA Card Services 3.1.25 Oct 9 22:27:10 alcyone kernel: kernel build: 2.2.19 #2 Fri Apr 27 19:32:44 CDT 2001 Oct 9 22:27:10 alcyone kernel: options: [pci] [cardbus] [apm] Oct 9 22:27:10 alcyone kernel: PCI routing table version 1.0 at 0xfbd80 Oct 9 22:27:10 alcyone kernel: 00:03.0 -> irq 11 Oct 9 22:27:10 alcyone kernel: 00:03.1 -> irq 11 Oct 9 22:27:10 alcyone kernel: Intel PCIC probe: Oct 9 22:27:10 alcyone kernel: TI 1420 rev 00 PCI-to-CardBus at slot 00:03, mem 0x68000000 Oct 9 22:27:10 alcyone kernel: host opts [0]: [ring] [pci + serial irq] [pci irq 11] [lat 32/32] [bus 32/34] Oct 9 22:27:10 alcyone kernel: host opts [1]: [ring] [pci + serial irq] [pci irq 11] [lat 32/32] [bus 35/37] Oct 9 22:27:10 alcyone kernel: ISA irqs (scanned) = 3,4,7,9,10 PCI status changes Oct 9 22:27:10 alcyone kernel: cs: memory probe 0xa0000000-0xa0ffffff: clean. Oct 9 22:27:10 alcyone kernel: cs: IO port probe 0x0100-0x04ff: excluding 0x378-0x37f 0x4d0-0x4d7 Oct 9 22:27:10 alcyone kernel: cs: IO port probe 0x0380-0x04cf: clean. Oct 9 22:27:10 alcyone kernel: cs: IO port probe 0x04d8-0x04ff: clean. Oct 9 22:27:10 alcyone kernel: cs: IO port probe 0x0800-0x08ff: excluding 0x800-0x84f Oct 9 22:27:10 alcyone kernel: cs: IO port probe 0x0a00-0x0aff: clean. Oct 9 22:27:10 alcyone kernel: cs: IO port probe 0x0c00-0x0cff: excluding 0xcf8-0xcff Oct 9 22:27:10 alcyone kernel: eth0: NE2000 Compatible: io 0x300, irq 3, mem 0xc403b000, auto xcvr, hw_addr 00:04:AC:90:34:2F Oct 9 22:27:18 alcyone sendmail[102]: starting daemon (8.10.2): SMTP+queueing@00:15:00 Oct 9 22:27:18 alcyone apmd[106]: Version 3.0beta8 (APM BIOS 1.2, Linux driver 1.13) Oct 9 22:27:18 alcyone apmd[106]: Charge: * * * (100% 2:42) Oct 9 22:28:41 alcyone sendmail[171]: f9A3Sfn00171: from='fish@slava.net', size=353, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<20011009222841.A168@slava.net>, relay=alcyone@localhost Oct 9 22:28:41 alcyone sendmail[171]: f9A3Sfn00171: to=tclug-list@mn.linux.org, delay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=30353, stat=queued Oct 9 22:29:06 alcyone su[173]: + pts/0 alcyone-root From fertch at mninter.net Wed Oct 10 08:42:41 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Zip Drives In-Reply-To: <3BC3A4F4.65840F42@earthlink.net> References: <3BC3A4F4.65840F42@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <01101008384400.00247@bleys> On Tuesday 09 October 2001 20:31, root wrote: > After I installed it there is a zip drive icon on my desktop but I can't > open it. > > The line for it in my fstab file reads. > > /dev/sda4 /mnt/zip100.0 vfat noauto,owner,kudzu 0 0 > > -- I'm not too familiar with the USB aspect when it comes to Linux yet, but the settings for the most part match what I have for my external Parallel Zip drive: /dev/sda4 /zip vfat noauto,rw,users 0 0 However, looking at yours, I'm wondering about the kudzu and owner part. Mostly because I'm not familiar with kudzu and what the owner part would mean. --- Shawn "Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do." -Bruce Lee From gabe at msi.umn.edu Wed Oct 10 09:04:01 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] determination waning (STILL sendmail) In-Reply-To: <3BC3BFA1.3060209@slava.net>; from fish@slava.net on Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 10:25:21PM -0500 References: <3BC10775.6000401@slava.net> <20011008041316.E87566@io.stderr.net> <3BC2FF00.3050202@slava.net> <20011009140610.C6903@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> <3BC34CA1.6070504@slava.net> <20011009142815.E6903@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> <3BC386DD.4000409@slava.net> <20011009221226.A7947@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> <3BC3BFA1.3060209@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011010090350.A8412@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> > > * Your machine is called slava.net > > > No, I don't know what my machine is called anymore. slava.net is (kind > of) where my mail is, but > not really. slava.net is my virtual domain, and I'm not sure where it > is anymore, I think the guy who set it up for me moved. So my email > ends in slava.net, but I actually don't check the mail on slava.net. Well, it doesn't really matter what your machine is called since mail isn't being delivered to your machine. It's being delivered to some other mail server and you've got mutt configured to suck it down off of that server (I finally read through the archives to get a handle on things :). As far as I can tell, once your SMART_HOST feature is set correctly, you should be able to send mail. What is your SMTP relay? i.e. In Mozilla, what did you define as your outgoing mail server? Whatever it is, that should be your SMART_HOST. -- Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu From simeonuj at eetc.com Wed Oct 10 09:08:44 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bell Problem with Mandrake 8.1 In-Reply-To: <15299.13053.587188.612407@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: I have no idea what the problem is but... I usually just take the damn internal speaker out of my computers. :) I was actually going to try to setup my laptop w/ a little blinky light (blue led of course) to replace the speaker. It should be fairly simple but I haven't gotten around to it yet. sim From fish at slava.net Wed Oct 10 09:15:30 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] determination waning (STILL sendmail) References: <3BC10775.6000401@slava.net> <20011008041316.E87566@io.stderr.net> <3BC2FF00.3050202@slava.net> <20011009140610.C6903@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> <3BC34CA1.6070504@slava.net> <20011009142815.E6903@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> <3BC386DD.4000409@slava.net> <20011009221226.A7947@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> <3BC3BFA1.3060209@slava.net> <20011010090350.A8412@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3BC45725.10507@slava.net> I've already done this. I've actually tried multiple SMTP's in there that I know are all valid. (I have waaaay too many email addresses.) So something else must be messed up. :( Gabe Turner wrote: >As far as I can tell, once your SMART_HOST feature is set correctly, you >should be able to send mail. What is your SMTP relay? i.e. In Mozilla, >what did you define as your outgoing mail server? Whatever it is, that >should be your SMART_HOST. > From florin at iucha.net Wed Oct 10 09:45:28 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] determination waning (STILL sendmail) In-Reply-To: <3BC390E6.9070605@slava.net>; from fish@slava.net on Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 07:05:58PM -0500 References: <3BC10775.6000401@slava.net> <20011008041316.E87566@io.stderr.net> <3BC2FF00.3050202@slava.net> <20011009140610.C6903@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> <3BC34CA1.6070504@slava.net> <20011009213544.B14062@io.stderr.net> <3BC390E6.9070605@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011010094417.A25913@beaver.iucha.org> On Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 07:05:58PM -0500, Lorry wrote: > tried that, no luck :( But that is a must. Be sure you specify a "host" and not a "network". "slava.net" is a network, "alcyon.slava.net" is more likely to be a host. Here are the relevant portion of my sendmail.mc: define(`SMART_HOST',`pop.mpls.qwest.net') FEATURE(masquerade_envelope) FEATURE(genericstable, `hash -o /etc/mail/genericstable') and my /etc/mail/genericstable florin florin@iucha.net and this will masquerade all mail sent from "florin" account as coming from "florin@iucha.net". florin > > Thomas Eibner wrote: > > >On Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 02:14:41PM -0500, Lorry wrote: > > > >>OK, here it is. And here's the .muttrc (with my password taken out). > >>Have a ball. > >> > >... > > > >> define(`SMART_HOST', `slava.net') > >> > > > >I believe SMART_HOST should be set to your ISP's smtp server (The one > >where you have your cable connection, not where the mail is hosted). -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I just installed Red Hat 7.1 and it > works real weel except for my external zip drive plugged into a USB > port. > > After I installed it there is a zip drive icon on my desktop but I can't > open it. > > The line for it in my fstab file reads. > > /dev/sda4 /mnt/zip100.0 vfat noauto,owner,kudzu 0 0 > > > In the properties for device it says > > Device: /dev/sda4 > > Mount Point: /mnt/zip100.0 > > File type: vfat > > I would sure appreciate any help I can get for this problem. > First of all, check the /var/log/messages to see if the device is recognized at all (look for "usb", "storage", "iomega"). Then do a lsmod and look for similar words. If you cannot figure it out, gzip the output of dmesg and send it to the list along with output from lsmod. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Be sure you specify a "host" and not a "network". >"slava.net" is a network, "alcyon.slava.net" is more likely to be a host. > There is no such thing as alcyone.slava.net (or anything.slava.net for that matter). OK, here are some things I have tried: slava.net s3.quintessential.com stmp-server.mn.rr.com If you're wondering what s3.quintessential.com is, that's where slava.net really is. In Mozilla I have it set up like so: user name: alcyone%slava.net server name: s3.quintessential.com SMTP: slava.net That works in Mozilla, since that is what I am using right now and my messages are getting through. Hope that makes sense... Lorry From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Oct 10 11:20:02 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] determination waning (STILL sendmail) Message-ID: Lorry, I think "stmp-server.mn.rr.com" should be "smtp-server.mn.rr.com", but that may be just an email typo. "s3.quintessential.com" and "slava.net" both resolve to "209.98.180.234". It is running "qmail" on port 25. "smtp-server.mn.rr.com" resolves to "24.94.162.235" and is running an MS SMTP mail server on port 25. If you get frustrated enough to try and manually troubleshoot the problem, here are some references: http://RFC.net/rfc821.html http://RFC.net/rfc1869.html http://RFC.net/rfc2554.html on SMTP, ESMTP, and SMTP AUTH respectively. You can telnet to port 25 on an SMTP server and try and carry on a conversation (and send mail) using the info from these docs. Maybe you can see where things fall apart. There may be more concise documentation, but probably none more authoritative. Good luck, Troy >>> fish@slava.net 10/10/01 09:59AM >>> OK, here are some things I have tried: slava.net s3.quintessential.com stmp-server.mn.rr.com From andyzb at cs.umn.edu Wed Oct 10 11:24:02 2001 From: andyzb at cs.umn.edu (Andy Zbikowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Zip Drives In-Reply-To: <011009220320.2021e5f6@dcmir.med.umn.edu> References: <011009220320.2021e5f6@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011009220754.0DC184565@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> On Tuesday 09 October 2001 10:03 pm, you wrote: > Hi > > Really simple thing to look at. If this isn't it, I'm sure there's better > people here to help you out. > > /mnt/zip100.0 seems like a weird dir name. Does that actually exist? I have > /mnt/zip, but that's 6.2 and not USB so it may be different. > > Do you get any error messages? /var/log/messages? You can call the mount point anything you want. If the user want's to type mount /mnt/zip100.0, well ok then. I perfer mount /mnt/zip or mount /girlfriend myself (Oddly enough, my girlfriend did find that amusing...no stop thinking like that. I was backing up her computer....ok...enough of my personal life.) So some things to check: modprobe usb-storage lsmod should show usb-uhci, usbcore, and usb-starage Ignore the GUI. You need to see error messages. type mount /mnt/zip100.0 They try (as root) mount -t vfat /dev/sdd4 /mnt/zip100.0 Also, check your logs as others have suggested. -- Andy Zbikowski Computer Science/ITLabs Systems Staff University of Minnesota, Twin Cities Office: AHPCRC #154 Phone: 6-8090 When in danger, or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout! -- From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Wed Oct 10 11:38:00 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.2 Update In-Reply-To: <20011009171911.X26659@real-time.com> References: <20011009152900.A30663@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <20011009171911.X26659@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011010113730.A18281@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 05:19:11PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > How about rsync over ssh, does that cause more of a performance hit? > > I'm not apposed to opening up rsync to public release of "stuff" on the server, > if the desire is there, the performance hit is not too great, etc... I can't speak to the performance issues because I haven't done much with rsync servers of my own, but the it sure seems like you could save a lot of bandwidth. Its really annoying to download an iso by ftp and then have the md5 sum not check out. So then you have to download the whole thing again. Plus with rsync, you can do neat things like the Debian pseudo-image kit [1], which let you put together custom CDs if you have a local mirror, instead of having to re-download everything in the form of an image. 1. http://cdimage.debian.org/~costar/pseudo-image-kit/ -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org Cookies are tasty! |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://freesklyarov.org/ From florin at iucha.net Wed Oct 10 11:56:00 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Zip Drives In-Reply-To: <20011009220754.0DC184565@slnx03.cs.umn.edu>; from andyzb@cs.umn.edu on Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 05:07:53PM -0500 References: <011009220320.2021e5f6@dcmir.med.umn.edu> <20011009220754.0DC184565@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011010115547.D25913@beaver.iucha.org> On Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 05:07:53PM -0500, Andy Zbikowski wrote: > On Tuesday 09 October 2001 10:03 pm, you wrote: > > Hi > > > > Really simple thing to look at. If this isn't it, I'm sure there's better > > people here to help you out. > > > > /mnt/zip100.0 seems like a weird dir name. Does that actually exist? I have > > /mnt/zip, but that's 6.2 and not USB so it may be different. > > > > Do you get any error messages? /var/log/messages? > > You can call the mount point anything you want. If the user want's to type > mount /mnt/zip100.0, well ok then. I perfer mount /mnt/zip or mount > /girlfriend myself (Oddly enough, my girlfriend did find that amusing...no > stop thinking like that. I was backing up her computer....ok...enough of my > personal life.) > > So some things to check: > modprobe usb-storage > lsmod should show > usb-uhci, usbcore, and usb-starage > > Ignore the GUI. You need to see error messages. > type mount /mnt/zip100.0 > > They try (as root) mount -t vfat /dev/sdd4 /mnt/zip100.0 ^^^^ That looks odd to me (but I don't have a zip drive). 1. Why is mapped as the fourth disk. (I know why sdd instead of hdd). Do you really have three other SCSI devices? 2. Why the fourth partition? Can zip disks be partitioned? Or is because some funky compatibility issue? florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Or is because > some funky compatibility issue? > > florin -- I'm sure why, but I read in the ZIP HOW-TO that it must be the 4th disk. I've tried with other disk lables, and it doesn't work. I think you can partition, but why? http://www.linuxdocs.org/HOWTOs/mini/ZIP-Drive.html --- Shawn "Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do." -Bruce Lee From bue at augsburg.edu Wed Oct 10 12:59:01 2001 From: bue at augsburg.edu (B. Bue) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mozilla + Flash problem. Message-ID: <3BC48C1B.2060105@augsburg.edu> Hello, I'm having some difficulty viewing flash pages with Mozilla 0.9.3. Whenever I try to access a page, Mozilla crashes with the error "Error: Object "drawingArea" does not have windowed ancestor" . I've spent some time attempting to find information about this online, with little success. Any suggestions? -B -- From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Oct 10 13:05:03 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Zip Drives Message-ID: I would assume that three other SCSI devices exist, but the reason for the 4th partition is that Win* and DOS software for the Zip drive look for and make their fat partitions on the 4th partition. I assume it is so they can have an HFS partition somewhere else, but I don't know (Mac people?). I can format the 1st partition as ext2 and have two entries in my fstab (it is my second SCSI device): /dev/sdb1 /mnt/zip ext2 noauto,owner 0 0 /dev/sdb4 /mnt/dos/zip vfat noauto,owner 0 0 and if I stay with that convention I will get appropriate errors when I try to mount a disk in the wrong location for it's format. HTH, Troy >>> florin@iucha.net 10/10/01 11:55AM >>> >> They try (as root) mount -t vfat /dev/sdd4 /mnt/zip100.0 > ^^^^ >That looks odd to me (but I don't have a zip drive). > >1. Why is mapped as the fourth disk. (I know why sdd instead of hdd). Do you >really have three other SCSI devices? > >2. Why the fourth partition? Can zip disks be partitioned? Or is because some >funky compatibility issue? From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Oct 10 13:10:31 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Zip Drives In-Reply-To: <01101012405702.06476@bleys> References: <011009220320.2021e5f6@dcmir.med.umn.edu> <20011010115547.D25913@beaver.iucha.org> <01101012405702.06476@bleys> Message-ID: <20011009235334.9B87B4565@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> Preformatted Zip disks come with their partition set as the 4th partition. And yes, I have 2 SCSI hard drives and a SCSI MO drive, so my USB CF reader goes to sdd. I imagine it will become sde when my new SCSI hard drive arrives. Yes, you can repartition the Zip disks. But why would you want to when you'd have to repartition evey Zip disk you buy? Easier just to reformat them and be consistant with the partitioning. Easier to move the media between machines that way. I think if you have no SCSI devices that usb-storage will take the first scsi drive. (sda) But my laptop is in sleep mode so I can't check that. (and I don't want to dig into the USB documentation. Let the person having the troubles RTFM.) :) -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Wed Oct 10 13:17:01 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mozilla + Flash problem. In-Reply-To: <3BC48C1B.2060105@augsburg.edu> References: <3BC48C1B.2060105@augsburg.edu> Message-ID: <20011010131618.A18424@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 12:57:47PM -0500, B. Bue wrote: > Hello, I'm having some difficulty viewing flash pages with Mozilla > 0.9.3. Whenever I try to access a page, Mozilla crashes with the error > "Error: Object "drawingArea" does not have windowed ancestor" . I've > spent some time attempting to find information about this online, with > little success. Any suggestions? Well, you might want to try a newer build - 0.9.4 or even better a nightly build. As for this problem, there are at least 2 relevant bugs in bugzilla: http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=66005 http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58339 I only browsed these bugs, but it sounds like there are work arounds for the problem in bug 66005. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org Cookies are tasty! |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://freesklyarov.org/ From florin at iucha.net Wed Oct 10 13:22:41 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mozilla + Flash problem. In-Reply-To: <3BC48C1B.2060105@augsburg.edu>; from bue@augsburg.edu on Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 12:57:47PM -0500 References: <3BC48C1B.2060105@augsburg.edu> Message-ID: <20011010131947.A6202@beaver.iucha.org> On Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 12:57:47PM -0500, B. Bue wrote: > Hello, I'm having some difficulty viewing flash pages with Mozilla > 0.9.3. Whenever I try to access a page, Mozilla crashes with the error > "Error: Object "drawingArea" does not have windowed ancestor" . I've > spent some time attempting to find information about this online, with > little success. Any suggestions? Any reason not to get mozilla0.9.4? florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So at InstallFest people help solve problems, right? ;) Lorry, who has officially given up From steveg at transition.com Wed Oct 10 13:30:37 2001 From: steveg at transition.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mozilla + Flash problem. Message-ID: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BC048@postman.transition.com> I couldn't get plugins to work at all with 0.9.3 but they do with 0.9.4. -----Original Message----- From: B. Bue [mailto:bue@augsburg.edu] Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 12:58 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Mozilla + Flash problem. Hello, I'm having some difficulty viewing flash pages with Mozilla 0.9.3. Whenever I try to access a page, Mozilla crashes with the error "Error: Object "drawingArea" does not have windowed ancestor" . I've spent some time attempting to find information about this online, with little success. Any suggestions? -B From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Oct 10 13:46:00 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] determination waning (STILL sendmail) Message-ID: >>> fish@slava.net 10/10/01 01:20PM >>> >OK. >So at InstallFest people help solve problems, right? ;) Definitely. >Lorry, who has officially given up I'm sorry. I should have just guessed: 1) Maybe your mozilla client is doing some authentication that sendmail (on your box) is not configured to do. 2) Maybe the servers you use need to be successfully POPed or IMAPed recently from your IP address before accepting SMTP mail from that address. Sometime these problems are difficult to grind down, but you are/were doing a pretty good job. Good luck, Troy From steveg at transition.com Wed Oct 10 14:09:01 2001 From: steveg at transition.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] interview with Linus Message-ID: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BC049@postman.transition.com> http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=161 From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Oct 10 14:40:01 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Matt's Speech: OS and EDU Message-ID: Is this old hat? If not, take a gander... http://www.redhat.com/opensourcenow/speech.html From sraun at fireopal.org Wed Oct 10 14:42:00 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] POP3 Support Message-ID: <20011010144011.A24838@iaxs.net> OK, I want to turn on support for someone to pick up their e-mail on my server from their Windows box. For reasons I don't have much control over, they're probably going to use Outlook. I know Outlook includes POP3 support - could someone point me at a write-up for what packages I need to install? I'm running Debian unstable. There's also the question of which ports I have to punch holes for in my Cisco NAT table. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From Ben at WorksCited.Net Wed Oct 10 14:47:01 2001 From: Ben at WorksCited.Net (Ben Stallings) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kppp crashes Message-ID: <01101014294705.00710@Romana> Hi, folks. My copy of kppp crashes whenever my Internet connection is terminated by the server. Since I have USFamily.net's cheap service, this happens fairly often. Is there a way I can inform kppp that this is a normal part of reality and not crashworthy? --Ben (running Yellow Dog Linux 2.0) From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Wed Oct 10 15:12:00 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] POP3 Support In-Reply-To: <20011010144011.A24838@iaxs.net> Message-ID: MS Lookout allows you to configure which ports to use for POP and SMTP, but defaults are SMTP 25 and POP3 110. Lookout Express is the same. HTH. James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Scott Raun |Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 2:40 PM |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org |Subject: [TCLUG] POP3 Support | | |OK, I want to turn on support for someone to pick up their e-mail on |my server from their Windows box. For reasons I don't have much |control over, they're probably going to use Outlook. I know Outlook |includes POP3 support - could someone point me at a write-up for what |packages I need to install? I'm running Debian unstable. | |There's also the question of which ports I have to punch holes for in |my Cisco NAT table. | |-- |Scott Raun |sraun@fireopal.org |_______________________________________________ |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, |Minnesota |http://www.mn-linux.org |tclug-list@mn-linux.org |https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list | From phil at rephil.org Wed Oct 10 15:47:01 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (phil@rephil.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sun/Solars vs Linux In-Reply-To: <20011009170301.F24144@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 05:03:01PM -0500 References: <20011009144637.777FE184B0@skuld.wk> <20011009155011.A3131@rephil.org> <20011009170301.F24144@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011010154653.A5752@rephil.org> On Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 05:03:01PM -0500, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > And to refer to Carl's post, there do exist OS's that will handle an > > out-of-memory condition, but they aren't of the Unix family. VMS or NSK, > > and maybe MPE will, I believe. > > I don't know anything about NSK or MPE; but Alan Cox claims he can crash VMS > (and any other OS) with a carefully constructed memory attack. Lots of people claim lots of things. . I thought the question was whether or not an OS existed that will avoid or trap out-of-memory conditions, implication being those that might arise in "normal" circumstances -- running programs. Answer: yes, there is such a beast. If you're saying that no OS will trap *every possible* out-of-memory condition, well, maybe. (And certainly not many.) But it gets closer to saying "I can crash a system by hooking it's AC plug up to an arc welder." :) -- I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. From fish at slava.net Wed Oct 10 15:57:01 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] determination waning (STILL sendmail) References: Message-ID: <3BC4B57D.8060102@slava.net> > > >2) Maybe the servers you use need to be successfully >POPed or IMAPed recently from your IP address before >accepting SMTP mail from that address. > If I understand this correctly, and there's no guarantee of that, this shouldn't be a problem, because I POP my server all the time from Mozilla. Right? No clue on the authentication thing though. I'm going to follow the link Jesse sent, and if that doesn't work I'll either wait for install fest (and hope I have a way to get there) or invite someone over to fix it in exchange for free cooked food. We'll see how desperate I get. Lorry From phil at rephil.org Wed Oct 10 16:02:01 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (phil@rephil.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Handling `out of memory' conditions (Was: Sun/Solars vs Linux) In-Reply-To: <20011009172044.21dc15b4.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 05:20:44PM -0500 References: <20011009144637.777FE184B0@skuld.wk> <20011009155011.A3131@rephil.org> <20011009172044.21dc15b4.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011010160130.B5752@rephil.org> On Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 05:20:44PM -0500, Mike Hicks wrote: > Out of curiosity, what would be good ways to handle the problem? I think you have two choices: build the kernel so that it saves them, or so that it avoids the condition in the first place. A lot of it would have to do with the scheduling algorithm, and how the OS defines a process. I know that Unix (including Linux) is geared to a lot more small, light processes, whereas a VMS process is a lot more intensive. Unix is a lot better at running things like GUI systems, where you have a lot of little processes. VMS is more efficient at throughput (I/O and all other things being equal.) How you decide which processes to freeze or kill would have to do with how the system prioritized them in the first place. Another approach would be to swap out the hog, finish off as many of the small processes as possible, and try and make room for the big one. The thing is what processes depend on other processes. Again, in VMS a process is more self-contained, whereas Unices have more of a rats nest of dependencies. So it's really a fundamental level decision. > I know > that the Linux kernel will kill processes in these sorts of conditions in > an attempt to free up memory. I'm not sure how the kernel picks a process > to kill. Yeah, you'd have to get down into the scheduler and prioritizing. > Now that I think about it, the kernel has probably killed my X server a > few times, explaining why my system has occasionally appeared to be > unresponsive at the console. Well, that could be coincidence, or could be conscious. It would be a reasonable choice to say "if the system starts to bog, kill the Xserver so that data in running apps can be preserved." I don't know if I have that much time for reading source these days, though. -- I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. From florin at iucha.net Wed Oct 10 16:04:11 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] POP3 Support In-Reply-To: <20011010144011.A24838@iaxs.net>; from sraun@fireopal.org on Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 02:40:11PM -0500 References: <20011010144011.A24838@iaxs.net> Message-ID: <20011010160244.B6202@beaver.iucha.org> On Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 02:40:11PM -0500, Scott Raun wrote: > OK, I want to turn on support for someone to pick up their e-mail on > my server from their Windows box. For reasons I don't have much > control over, they're probably going to use Outlook. I know Outlook > includes POP3 support - could someone point me at a write-up for what > packages I need to install? I'm running Debian unstable. florin@bear:~$ apt-cache search POP3 | grep daemon courier-pop - POP3 daemon with PAM and Maildir support pop3lite - POP3 daemon with module support. cucipop - Cubic Circle's POP3 daemon courier-pop-ssl - POP3 daemon with SSL, PAM and Maildir support > There's also the question of which ports I have to punch holes for in > my Cisco NAT table. florin@bear:~$ grep pop3 /etc/services pop3 110/tcp pop-3 # POP version 3 pop3 110/udp pop-3 pop3s 995/tcp # POP-3 over SSL pop3s 995/udp # POP-3 over SSL florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Jesse Lorry wrote: > > > > > > >2) Maybe the servers you use need to be successfully > >POPed or IMAPed recently from your IP address before > >accepting SMTP mail from that address. > > > > If I understand this correctly, and there's no guarantee of that, this > shouldn't be a problem, because I POP my server all the time from > Mozilla. Right? > No clue on the authentication thing though. > I'm going to follow the link Jesse sent, and if that doesn't work I'll > either wait for install fest (and hope I have a way to get there) or > invite someone over to fix it in exchange for free cooked food. We'll > see how desperate I get. > > Lorry > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jesse Erdmann Engineer Secure Computing Corp. From florin at iucha.net Wed Oct 10 16:09:07 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] determination waning (STILL sendmail) In-Reply-To: <3BC49177.7030007@slava.net>; from fish@slava.net on Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 01:20:39PM -0500 References: <3BC49177.7030007@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011010160440.C6202@beaver.iucha.org> On Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 01:20:39PM -0500, Lorry wrote: > Troy.A Johnson wrote: > > >Lorry, > > > >I think "stmp-server.mn.rr.com" should be > >"smtp-server.mn.rr.com", but that may be > >just an email typo. > > > It was. > > >"s3.quintessential.com" and "slava.net" > >both resolve to "209.98.180.234". It is > >running "qmail" on port 25. > >"smtp-server.mn.rr.com" resolves to > >"24.94.162.235" and is running an MS > >SMTP mail server on port 25. > > > *blink* > *blink* > OK. > So at InstallFest people help solve problems, right? ;) > > Lorry, who has officially given up Lorry, don't give up. Look up my previous e-mail on this topic. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011010/6a48b8ee/attachment.pgp From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Oct 10 16:12:02 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] POP3 Support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011010210822.4C34B452D@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> ipopd is your standard default. I'd go for uw-imapd-ssl and ipopd-ssl myself. :) looking at /etc/services should tell you what ports, but: smtp 25 pop2 109 pop3 110 imap2 143 imap3 220 imaps 993 pop3s 995 ssmtp 465 Set your firewall to allow pop3 and imap2 from localhost only, allow pop3s and imaps from the outside world. Some things like webmail need to hit up pop3 or imap over the loopback interface, that's the reason for localhost only. Everyone else uses SSL. (And do your webmail with apache-ssl, other wise you defeat the purpose of allowing only imaps and pop3s.) -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From fish at slava.net Wed Oct 10 17:39:01 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm off sendmail now, but... References: <3BC49177.7030007@slava.net> <20011010160440.C6202@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <3BC4CD4A.3050402@slava.net> Florin Iucha wrote: >Lorry, don't give up. Look up my previous e-mail on this topic. > >florin > I thought I responded to that, didn't I? Well anyway, now I am trying to do postfix, and I am supposed to create a user called postfix. At first, I thought "oh yeah, like I know how to do that," but I did RTFM, but I have a question about it. It says this user "postfix" doesn't need a home dir. Does that mean if I don't add '-d blahblah' on the useradd then it won't create a home dir? It sounds like it will create a home dir anyway, with the default name... but it isn't exactly crystal clear. If it makes a home dir anyway, is there a way to tell it not to? Lorry, who is thinking of designing 'woman pages' cuz man pages suck! ;) From Mike at getbent.net Wed Oct 10 18:14:01 2001 From: Mike at getbent.net (Mike Nielsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gigabit Ethernet Message-ID: <01101018130201.26787@Dingo> Hi there. I am peeking around for opinions about Gigabit NICS. Specifically of the Cat 5 variety. I have always been partial to 3com but has anyone used anything else like the FriendlyNet Giganix? Just looking for opions, success, and failure stories -- ----------------------------- |\/|ike@GetBent.net From tanner at real-time.com Wed Oct 10 18:24:00 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mozilla + Flash problem. In-Reply-To: <3BC48C1B.2060105@augsburg.edu>; from bue@augsburg.edu on Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 12:57:47PM -0500 References: <3BC48C1B.2060105@augsburg.edu> Message-ID: <20011010182348.K26659@real-time.com> Quoting B. Bue (bue@augsburg.edu): > Hello, I'm having some difficulty viewing flash pages with Mozilla > 0.9.3. Whenever I try to access a page, Mozilla crashes with the error > "Error: Object "drawingArea" does not have windowed ancestor" . I've > spent some time attempting to find information about this online, with > little success. Any suggestions? Known issues in 0.9.3, upgrade to 0.9.4 -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Oct 10 18:30:01 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux tool for database schemas? Message-ID: <20011010182904.L26659@real-time.com> I'm looking for a tool under linux that can figure out database schemas when all you got is an ODBC datasource. No laughing please... :-P What I tried first was to setup the ODBC datasource and have MS Access (yeah, yeah, yeah) import the database. MS Access puked, the database is too large (there is proof that MS Access sucks for any real database work). I'm not a DB guru, so my efforts have stopped there. I'd like to stay on Linux, but if there is a tool (windows only) I'll look at that too. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jstauffer at baldwin-telecom.net Wed Oct 10 18:40:01 2001 From: jstauffer at baldwin-telecom.net (James Stauffer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux tool for database schemas? References: <20011010182904.L26659@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3BC4DD09.9A3FEF2C@baldwin-telecom.net> Did you try to link to the Database from Access? Bob Tanner wrote: > > I'm looking for a tool under linux that can figure out database schemas when all > you got is an ODBC datasource. > > No laughing please... :-P > > What I tried first was to setup the ODBC datasource and have MS Access (yeah, > yeah, yeah) import the database. MS Access puked, the database is too large > (there is proof that MS Access sucks for any real database work). > > I'm not a DB guru, so my efforts have stopped there. I'd like to stay on Linux, > but if there is a tool (windows only) I'll look at that too. From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Oct 10 19:02:01 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gigabit Ethernet In-Reply-To: <01101018130201.26787@Dingo> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Mike Nielsen wrote: > Hi there. > > I am peeking around for opinions about Gigabit NICS. > Specifically of the Cat 5 variety. Never used it, but I like Netgear for everything. Netgear has a nice Gb NIC as well as a 2 port 1Gb/24 port 100Mb switch. I have bad opinions of 3com. Too many bad expeiences. 3com may not enter my home. -Brian From florin at iucha.net Wed Oct 10 20:03:00 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux tool for database schemas? In-Reply-To: <20011010182904.L26659@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 06:29:04PM -0500 References: <20011010182904.L26659@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011010200212.D6202@beaver.iucha.org> On Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 06:29:04PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > I'm looking for a tool under linux that can figure out database schemas when all > you got is an ODBC datasource. > > No laughing please... :-P > > What I tried first was to setup the ODBC datasource and have MS Access (yeah, > yeah, yeah) import the database. MS Access puked, the database is too large > (there is proof that MS Access sucks for any real database work). > > I'm not a DB guru, so my efforts have stopped there. I'd like to stay on Linux, > but if there is a tool (windows only) I'll look at that too. Bob, I don't remember the name right now but it's something in Perl. It can query a database and extract the schema. Spend some time on CPAN and you'll find it. If my memory returns, I will post again. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If my memory returns, I will post again. http://alzabo.sourceforge.net/ it's some sort of database abstraction/caching tool for perl; but it also has the ability to reverse-engineer the database schema. the developer is actually a local guy, I saw him give a presentation on it once. It only supports MySQL and Postgres at the moment. I asked him about supporting MS SQL; he said it shouldn't be that difficult... few hundred lines of code. dunno enough about databases to know how ODBC fits into that. He admits freely that the interface sucks (it does... but then again, dbase interfaces are rarely intuitive); but it's web-based, so it's very portable. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Wed Oct 10 21:58:01 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gigabit Ethernet In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 07:01:37PM -0500 References: <01101018130201.26787@Dingo> Message-ID: <20011010215742.D31601@real-time.com> > Never used it, but I like Netgear for everything. Netgear has a nice Gb > NIC as well as a 2 port 1Gb/24 port 100Mb switch. any idea what it costs? > I have bad opinions of 3com. Too many bad expeiences. 3com may not enter > my home. I actually rather like 3com NICs. primarily because *everything* supports them. :) no dinking around wondering which Tulip variant this is; or how close to spec this ne2k knockoff is (some are pretty far out there); it either works, or it doesn't. (and if it doesn't, you make a christmas tree ornament out of it and grab the next one from the parts bin). Carl. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From dutchman at uswest.net Wed Oct 10 22:00:03 2001 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hardware Question Message-ID: <3BC50AA0.1010403@uswest.net> Hello all, I was prepping a box for Linux. Because I was having some problems with Disk Druid and I am not comfortable with fips, I cheated and used a couple of disks that I had PartionMagic on to set up and format my ext2 partitions. Everything went fine and I went to reboot with my boot disk and things went south. The box will not boot, everything I try results in PRESS KEY TO REBOOT. I have tried to boot from floppy and bootable CD and in both cases, the BIOS accesses the media, beeps once and responds with PRESS KEY TO REBOOT. The mobo is a FIC and the BIOS is Award. Has anbody run into this before? -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com From tanner at real-time.com Wed Oct 10 22:05:02 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4.11 and USB problems Message-ID: <20011010220417.U26659@real-time.com> Upgraded to 2.4.11 and I got USB problems. dmesg reports: usb.c: registered new driver usbdevfs usb.c: registered new driver hub uhci.c: USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver v1.1 uhci.c: found UHCI device with no IRQ assigned. check BIOS settings! usb.c: deregistering driver usbdevfs hub.c: usb_hub_thread exiting usb.c: deregistering driver hub Doing it by hand: # insmod usbcore.o # # insmod usb-uhci.o usb-uhci.o: init_module: No such device Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters Sniffing around the usb site at http://www.linux-usb.org/ didn't turn up anything. Anyone else having this problem? According to the usb.txt file there is a total re-write if the usb stuff. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Oct 10 22:18:00 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hardware Question In-Reply-To: <3BC50AA0.1010403@uswest.net> References: <3BC50AA0.1010403@uswest.net> Message-ID: <20011010221658.41578c85.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "Perry Hoekstra" wrote: > > The box will not boot, everything I try results in PRESS KEY TO REBOOT. > I have tried to boot from floppy and bootable CD and in both cases, > the BIOS accesses the media, beeps once and responds with PRESS KEY TO > REBOOT. The mobo is a FIC and the BIOS is Award. I think this might be a variant of the `NO ROM BASIC' problem, where the system will halt on boot if a there doesn't appear to be a valid partition table on the first disk. You might have to find another hard drive with a valid partition table to put in as the primary master disk. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Friends are Friends, / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ regardless of their baud \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) rate! [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(and if it doesn't, you make a christmas > tree ornament out of it and grab the next one from the parts bin). 3com has had just as many problems as tulip.. remember for a long time you had to run beta drivers to support the 3c905B cards, then the same thing for the C? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Oct 11 03:33:00 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman archives (suckage) Message-ID: <20011011033211.D16071@real-time.com> Here is my plea to the list again. :-) As I sit around waiting for Sprint to call back, I started to go through my list of low priority tasks. After buying a Ferrari, was mailman archives. My last post was about how mailman stores all posts in mbox format(!), yet 1 big o'file. And pipermail plows through the file to generate the date, thread, raw and compress raw archives. Not the best design in the world. My first problem is several of the mailing lists have mbox-es approaching the magical 2Gb size. The work around of that will be to go reiserfs or ext3 for the large file support. The second problem was backing the mbox files up. On a very active list, the mbox is changing so it's hard to get a clean backup. Don't know if reiserfs or ext3 have snapshot capabilities or if I have to do lvm or, or, or. But I got around this by not allow pipermail to run from 2am - 7am so the backup can dump everything. So any mailing list packages that are like mailman, but using a relational database on the backside for archives? I think that would be idea. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From lyleandfaye98 at earthlink.net Thu Oct 11 08:15:34 2001 From: lyleandfaye98 at earthlink.net (Lyle Dinger) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Zip Drive Message-ID: <002901c1524a$892bef60$fbf8f7a5@hppav> Thanks to all for the tips on getting my zip drive to work with linux. I got it to work by changing the line in my fstab file to /dev/sda /mnt/zip100.0 vfat user,exec,noauto 0 0 Thanks again. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011011/ba1adb09/attachment.html From josh at greentechnologist.org Thu Oct 11 08:19:12 2001 From: josh at greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] C argument passing? Message-ID: So this isn't really a Linux question but I haven't turned up much that's useful from stuff like google. (there are just too many things that aren't the right answer). I'm trying to figure out how to use some parts of the Lotus Notes' undocumented API and while I can get down with a debugger to exactly where the code goes through I'm not sure where exactly to look for the various parts of a call like: int my_func(unsigned int* db_handle, unsigned int options); I assume I should be looking at everything from ESP to ESI? Or maybe ESP to EBP? I dunno. And where does that return int get put? Arg. Ideas? (and yes, I'm only intel right now) Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 From lyleandfaye98 at earthlink.net Thu Oct 11 08:22:25 2001 From: lyleandfaye98 at earthlink.net (Lyle Dinger) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Modems Message-ID: <000a01c15250$41948bc0$fbf8f7a5@hppav> Right now I have both linux and windows me on my computer, but as soon as I learn how to burn CD's, handle digital cameras and view dvd disks in linux windows will be history on my computer. I bought a linux compatible us robotics pci internal modem but when i have it installed in my computer and check the system information in windows it is listed as a problem device. Question: Will it effect the performance of windows and my computer. If so does any one know of a modem that won't cause problems? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If the modem works in Linux, it is because it is a hardware modem- meaning all any OS has to do is open communictaions to the serial port it defines, and talk using the standard protocol (I think its known as Hayes). If Winblows is having troubles, that means it is a problem most likely with your serial ports. Jay On Thursday 11 October 2001 07:28 am, you wrote: > Right now I have both linux and windows me on my computer, but as soon as I > learn how to burn CD's, handle digital cameras and view dvd disks in linux > windows will be history on my computer. > > I bought a linux compatible us robotics pci internal modem but when i have > it installed in my computer and check the system information in windows it > is listed as a problem device. > > Question: > > Will it effect the performance of windows and my computer. If so does any > one know of a modem that won't cause problems? -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- You are a fluke of the universe; you have no right to be here. From clay at fandre.com Thu Oct 11 08:41:06 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4.11 and USB problems In-Reply-To: <20011010220417.U26659@real-time.com> References: <20011010220417.U26659@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011011075506.C30615@fandre.com> /me has to wait until the ext3 patch comes out for 2.4.11. On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Upgraded to 2.4.11 and I got USB problems. > > dmesg reports: > > usb.c: registered new driver usbdevfs > usb.c: registered new driver hub > uhci.c: USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver v1.1 > uhci.c: found UHCI device with no IRQ assigned. check BIOS settings! > usb.c: deregistering driver usbdevfs > hub.c: usb_hub_thread exiting > usb.c: deregistering driver hub > > Doing it by hand: > > # insmod usbcore.o > # # insmod usb-uhci.o > usb-uhci.o: init_module: No such device > Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including > invalid IO or IRQ parameters > > > Sniffing around the usb site at http://www.linux-usb.org/ didn't turn up > anything. > > Anyone else having this problem? > > According to the usb.txt file there is a total re-write if the usb stuff. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jay at slushpupie.com Thu Oct 11 08:45:40 2001 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rm -rf In-Reply-To: <20011011075319.B30615@fandre.com> References: <20011011075319.B30615@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20011011133400.GOLM8102.femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Yeah, but I prefer the american flag with 'chmod a+rwx /bin/freedom' at the bottom.. less violent. :-) http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/apparel/5790.shtml On Thursday 11 October 2001 07:53 am, you wrote: > Everybody see this t-shirt yet? 3 bucks goes to the RedCross. Not a bad > deal. > > http://www.thinkgeek.net/stuff/apparel/57b2.shtml > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- You have a will that can be influenced by all with whom you come in contact. From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Thu Oct 11 08:48:48 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rm -rf In-Reply-To: <20011011075319.B30615@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 07:53:19AM -0500 References: <20011011075319.B30615@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20011011084010.A16998@trammell.dyndns.org> On Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 07:53:19AM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > Everybody see this t-shirt yet? 3 bucks goes to the RedCross. Not a bad deal. > > http://www.thinkgeek.net/stuff/apparel/57b2.shtml That is *so* one-week-after-the-WTC-bombing, Clay. All the cool kids have "Bert is Evil" shirts these days... http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/10/10/2346248&mode=thread&threshold=3 http://www.fractalcow.com/bert/bert.htm -- johntrammell@yahoo.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I suppose people deeply into animal rights would want it to be something like, "I am a sentient being" or something like that. I guess I just don't feel like going that far right now. :) Jay Kline wrote: > > Yeah, but I prefer the american flag with 'chmod a+rwx /bin/freedom' at the > bottom.. less violent. :-) > > http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/apparel/5790.shtml > > On Thursday 11 October 2001 07:53 am, you wrote: > > Everybody see this t-shirt yet? 3 bucks goes to the RedCross. Not a bad > > deal. > > > > http://www.thinkgeek.net/stuff/apparel/57b2.shtml > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > Jay Kline > list@slushpupie.com > http://www.slushpupie.com > -- > You have a will that can be influenced by all with whom you come in contact. > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jesse Erdmann Engineer Secure Computing Corp. From fish at slava.net Thu Oct 11 09:03:00 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rm -rf References: <20011011075319.B30615@fandre.com> <20011011133400.GOLM8102.femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> <3BC5A59B.5AA2EECB@securecomputing.com> Message-ID: <3BC5A5FC.6040907@slava.net> You mean the fact that people in other countries hate us enough to kill thousands of people doesn't make you love your country that much more? ;) Jesse Erdmann wrote: >Okay, this probably isn't the place or anything, but I'm getting really >pissed about all of this nationalism. They even have a commercial with >people of various cultures saying "I am an American". > >This is all well and good, but wouldn't the most appropriate slogan (if >a slogan were ever appropriate) be "I am a human being". Maybe have >people say it in different languages. In the case of this t-shirt, >perhaps have a globe instead of the American flag. > >I suppose people deeply into animal rights would want it to be something >like, "I am a sentient being" or something like that. I guess I just >don't feel like going that far right now. :) > From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Oct 11 09:07:01 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4.11 and USB problems In-Reply-To: <20011010220417.U26659@real-time.com> References: <20011010220417.U26659@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011011090619.51a78f76.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Bob Tanner wrote: > > Upgraded to 2.4.11 and I got USB problems. Well, first off, you should probably go up to 2.4.12... http://asimov.lib.uaa.alaska.edu/linux-kernel/archive/2001-Week-41/0920.html -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Everything that you know / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ is wrong, but you can be \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) straightened out. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011011/da782aa0/attachment.pgp From jay at slushpupie.com Thu Oct 11 09:09:15 2001 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rm -rf In-Reply-To: <3BC5A59B.5AA2EECB@securecomputing.com> References: <20011011075319.B30615@fandre.com> <20011011133400.GOLM8102.femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> <3BC5A59B.5AA2EECB@securecomputing.com> Message-ID: <20011011140738.HNRT8878.femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> I agree with you.. I have seen ads for the "American Pride Pack for only $19.95! (+s/h)" It offends me as US citizen. Most of those ads are bulshit and wont last. However, as for the shirt I posted, I think it goes beyond that.. first, it helps the American Red Cross as well as the Linux community. Our ecconomy would not work if not for marketing such as this (as much as I dont want to admit it). But I see this shit as more related to Linux than the rm -rf shirt. Since the events of 9/11, our government is trying to pass all sorts of laws to try and fight terrorism. Specificly some that limit your rights on the internet and on computers. Unfortunetly, I feel that many of those laws are not constitutional- thus this shirt. On Thursday 11 October 2001 08:58 am, you wrote: > Okay, this probably isn't the place or anything, but I'm getting really > pissed about all of this nationalism. They even have a commercial with > people of various cultures saying "I am an American". > > This is all well and good, but wouldn't the most appropriate slogan (if > a slogan were ever appropriate) be "I am a human being". Maybe have > people say it in different languages. In the case of this t-shirt, > perhaps have a globe instead of the American flag. > > I suppose people deeply into animal rights would want it to be something > like, "I am a sentient being" or something like that. I guess I just > don't feel like going that far right now. :) > > Jay Kline wrote: > > Yeah, but I prefer the american flag with 'chmod a+rwx /bin/freedom' at > > the bottom.. less violent. :-) > > > > http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/apparel/5790.shtml > > > > On Thursday 11 October 2001 07:53 am, you wrote: > > > Everybody see this t-shirt yet? 3 bucks goes to the RedCross. Not a bad > > > deal. > > > > > > http://www.thinkgeek.net/stuff/apparel/57b2.shtml > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -- > > Jay Kline > > list@slushpupie.com > > http://www.slushpupie.com > > -- > > You have a will that can be influenced by all with whom you come in > > contact. _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- Just because the message may never be received does not mean it is not worth sending. From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Oct 11 09:16:12 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman archives (suckage) In-Reply-To: <20011011033211.D16071@real-time.com> References: <20011011033211.D16071@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011011091523.71a3f1fd.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Bob Tanner wrote: > > My first problem is several of the mailing lists have mbox-es > approaching the magical 2Gb size. The work around of that will be to go > reiserfs or ext3 for the large file support. ext2 can handle large files just fine if you have a 2.4.x kernel, glibc 2.2.x, and appropriately compiled programs. I think the restrictions are the same for ext3 and reiserfs. GFS was the only filesystem I knew of that would do it on 2.2 kernels. If you used something that created a file per message, I'd look hard at reiserfs. Otherwise, your database idea sounds good, but I don't know of any mailing list software that use them.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Adventure, excitement.. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ A Jedi craves not these \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) things. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's not working for me (though I think I prefer the /bin/freedom shirt anyway). -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Unificatiory. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Jay Kline wrote: > > I agree with you.. I have seen ads for the "American Pride Pack for only > $19.95! (+s/h)" It offends me as US citizen. Most of those ads are bulshit > and wont last. > > However, as for the shirt I posted, I think it goes beyond that.. first, it > helps the American Red Cross as well as the Linux community. Our ecconomy > would not work if not for marketing such as this (as much as I dont want to > admit it). But I see this shit as more related to Linux than the rm -rf > shirt. Since the events of 9/11, our government is trying to pass all sorts > of laws to try and fight terrorism. Specificly some that limit your rights on > the internet and on computers. Unfortunetly, I feel that many of those laws > are not constitutional- thus this shirt. > -- Jesse Erdmann Engineer Secure Computing Corp. From clay at fandre.com Thu Oct 11 09:37:12 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rm -rf In-Reply-To: <20011011133400.GOLM8102.femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> References: <20011011075319.B30615@fandre.com> <20011011133400.GOLM8102.femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Message-ID: <20011011093434.E30615@fandre.com> On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, Jay Kline wrote: > Yeah, but I prefer the american flag with 'chmod a+rwx /bin/freedom' at the > bottom.. less violent. :-) > I don't view it as violent. I view it as trying to stop (remove) terrorism, not bin Laden specificly. Bin Laden's just s symbol of terrorism. It's also pretty funny. I do like the freedom one, but I never heard of bin Freedom? > http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/apparel/5790.shtml > > On Thursday 11 October 2001 07:53 am, you wrote: > > Everybody see this t-shirt yet? 3 bucks goes to the RedCross. Not a bad > > deal. > > > > http://www.thinkgeek.net/stuff/apparel/57b2.shtml From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu Oct 11 09:40:20 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rm -rf Message-ID: Jesse, Your first instinct was correct: This probably is not the place for such things. As for what is appropriate, that is a personal decision, but I don't know if anyone who hates you enough to kill you for being an American citizen would be moved by your lack of nationalism, your humanity, your sentience, or your 'oneness' with the global community. Good luck, Troy >>> jesse_erdmann@securecomputing.com 10/11/01 08:58AM >>> Okay, this probably isn't the place or anything, but I'm getting really pissed about all of this nationalism. They even have a commercial with people of various cultures saying "I am an American". This is all well and good, but wouldn't the most appropriate slogan (if a slogan were ever appropriate) be "I am a human being". Maybe have people say it in different languages. In the case of this t-shirt, perhaps have a globe instead of the American flag. I suppose people deeply into animal rights would want it to be something like, "I am a sentient being" or something like that. I guess I just don't feel like going that far right now. :) Jay Kline wrote: > > Yeah, but I prefer the american flag with 'chmod a+rwx /bin/freedom' at the > bottom.. less violent. :-) > > http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/apparel/5790.shtml > > On Thursday 11 October 2001 07:53 am, you wrote: > > Everybody see this t-shirt yet? 3 bucks goes to the RedCross. Not a bad > > deal. > > > > http://www.thinkgeek.net/stuff/apparel/57b2.shtml > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > Jay Kline > list@slushpupie.com > http://www.slushpupie.com > -- > You have a will that can be influenced by all with whom you come in contact. > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jesse Erdmann Engineer Secure Computing Corp. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Thu Oct 11 09:44:31 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rm -rf In-Reply-To: <3BC5AE12.DC543F13@securecomputing.com> References: <20011011075319.B30615@fandre.com> <20011011133400.GOLM8102.femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> <3BC5A59B.5AA2EECB@securecomputing.com> <20011011140738.HNRT8878.femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> <3BC5AE12.DC543F13@securecomputing.com> Message-ID: <20011011093558.F30615@fandre.com> On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, Jesse Erdmann wrote: > Point well taken! > > I'd like to apologize for taking a borderline on-topic thread and taking > it way off topic. I was listening to a local radio show, and they were > being particularly offensive on the current actions in Afghanistan and I > let it get the better of me. > > How does one effectively invoke the Hitler effect to kill a thread? > I think that did it. Consider this thread dead. From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Thu Oct 11 09:50:03 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rm -rf In-Reply-To: <3BC5AE12.DC543F13@securecomputing.com> Message-ID: |How does one effectively invoke the Hitler effect to kill a thread? rm -f /usr/spool/mail/current.thread Not Hitler, but he and the Nazis would have been proud of *nix and the chmod 666, complete with daemons... From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Oct 11 09:53:11 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rm -rf In-Reply-To: <20011011075319.B30615@fandre.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > Everybody see this t-shirt yet? 3 bucks goes to the RedCross. Not a bad deal. I personally prefer [root@world]$ rm -rf /bin/laden, but to each his own I guess. -Brian From simeonuj at eetc.com Thu Oct 11 09:57:35 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Content Filter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: on 10/8/01 9:23 AM, Nate Carlson at natecars@real-time.com wrote: > On Sun, 7 Oct 2001, Mike Nielsen wrote: >> I have a scolastic client that is looking to use an IPTables based firewall. >> They are also looking for a content filter so the youngsters don't stumble >> onto smut. I don't think IPtables has anything like that but I'm sure there >> is a web proxy or two. (I searched Freashmeat and founds some) But I am >> interested if anyone here as implimented any and what you think of them? > > Squid. It rules. Never used it to block smut, but I know squid itself > rocks. :) Squid does have a smut list of sorts... Theres a sight that has a list of URL's of known smut and it is updated regularly (people request additions via a web form and the sight is added to the list). There is an auto update script/cron job IIRC. If not it is easy to create. http://www.hklc.com/squidblock/ - This looks like the best one. http://web.onda.com.br/orso/ - Doesn't look as good as squidblock. ^ Although there are some cool looking utilities for squid there. all this from Squids FAQ... http://www.squid-cache.org/Doc/FAQ/FAQ-10.html#ss10.12 Also look into Junkbuster. Very cool. Blocks add's and can be used in conjunction w/ Squid for a very nice proxy config. Junkbuster also handles Cookies, SSL and other stuff... http://www.junkbusters.com/ht/en/index.html http://www.waldherr.org/junkbuster/ >> It would be nice to have something that does an auto update of smut >> sites so I don't have to show some little old lady how to add sites >> deemed innapropriate http://www.waldherr.org/junkbuster/update.shtml For an auto update thingy for junkbuster add sights. http://www.hklc.com/squidblock/ For squid HTH, sim From simeonuj at eetc.com Thu Oct 11 10:01:38 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm off sendmail now, but... In-Reply-To: <3BC4CD4A.3050402@slava.net> Message-ID: on 10/10/01 5:35 PM, Lorry at fish@slava.net wrote: > Well anyway, now I am trying to do postfix, and I am supposed to create > a user called postfix. At first, I thought "oh yeah, like I know how to > do that," but I did RTFM, but I have a question about it. It says this > user "postfix" doesn't need a home dir. Does that mean if I don't add > '-d blahblah' on the useradd then it won't create a home dir? It sounds > like it will create a home dir anyway, with the default name... but it > isn't exactly crystal clear. If it makes a home dir anyway, is there a > way to tell it not to? Don't know, but you can do it the long way around and... 1 - Create the user. 2 - Delete the home dir ( rm -rf /home/postfix ). 3 - Remove the home dir from /etc/passwd ( Carefully AFTER you backup the file ). > Lorry, who is thinking of designing 'woman pages' cuz man pages suck! ;) Ya... some of them need a lot of work. They assume quite a bit about the user... Maybe just some dumba** pages would be better. I'd use them all the time. :) sim From jay at slushpupie.com Thu Oct 11 10:04:48 2001 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rm -rf In-Reply-To: <20011011093434.E30615@fandre.com> References: <20011011075319.B30615@fandre.com> <20011011133400.GOLM8102.femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> <20011011093434.E30615@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20011011150017.IIFE3928.femail40.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> I guess it makes more sence to me because we have a server called freedom. It was our first non NT web server, (freedom from windows)... even if its not perfect sence, its still pretty cool Jay On Thursday 11 October 2001 09:34 am, you wrote: > On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, Jay Kline wrote: > > Yeah, but I prefer the american flag with 'chmod a+rwx /bin/freedom' at > > the bottom.. less violent. :-) > > I don't view it as violent. I view it as trying to stop (remove) terrorism, > not bin Laden specificly. Bin Laden's just s symbol of terrorism. It's also > pretty funny. I do like the freedom one, but I never heard of bin Freedom? > > > http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/apparel/5790.shtml > > > > On Thursday 11 October 2001 07:53 am, you wrote: > > > Everybody see this t-shirt yet? 3 bucks goes to the RedCross. Not a bad > > > deal. > > > > > > http://www.thinkgeek.net/stuff/apparel/57b2.shtml > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- F.S. Fitzgerald to Hemingway: "Ernest, the rich are different from us." Hemingway: "Yes. They have more money." From veldy at veldy.net Thu Oct 11 10:09:45 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Courier IMAP or Cyrus IMAP Message-ID: <012e01c15265$c58d9790$3028680a@tgt.com> Does anybody on this list have a link to a "GOOD" HOWTO for setting up either Cyrus IMAP or Courier IMAP with Postfix as the MTA? The Linux Cyrus HOWTO is not very good. It shows how to setup with SASL, which really sucks. I was able to get it to work, but was unable to get mail to deliver into my new Maildir/ inbox. Anyway, I believe Courier is probably the better product, but I have been unable to find a good HOWTO on it. Does anybody on this list have experience with it? Thanks in advance, Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Oct 11 10:13:05 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rm -rf In-Reply-To: <20011011093558.F30615@fandre.com> References: <20011011075319.B30615@fandre.com> <20011011133400.GOLM8102.femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> <3BC5A59B.5AA2EECB@securecomputing.com> <20011011140738.HNRT8878.femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> <3BC5AE12.DC543F13@securecomputing.com> <20011011093558.F30615@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20011011100740.A20500@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 09:35:58AM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > > On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, Jesse Erdmann wrote: > > How does one effectively invoke the Hitler effect to kill a thread? > > I think that did it. Consider this thread dead. No, no! It doesn't count if you do it on purpose ;). http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/Godwin%27s-Law.html Jim "keeping off topic threads rolling for over 5 years" -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org Cookies are tasty! |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://freesklyarov.org/ From esper at sherohman.org Thu Oct 11 10:17:01 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman archives (suckage) In-Reply-To: <20011011033211.D16071@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 03:32:11AM -0500 References: <20011011033211.D16071@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011011100930.A9410@sherohman.org> On Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 03:32:11AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > So any mailing list packages that are like mailman, but using a relational > database on the backside for archives? Sounds like a good idea to me... Have you asked the Mailman list if anyone's working on either maildir or database support for the archive? -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Mr. Slippery From bbaptist at iexposure.com Thu Oct 11 10:20:39 2001 From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ipsec stuff Message-ID: <200110111516.f9BFG3U13498@destiny.iexposure.com> Here is the config set up for ipsec.conf. Also to start the tunnel you need to run, ipsec auto --add jeremy2ie (or whatever the connection is named.) config setup # THIS SETTING MUST BE CORRECT or almost nothing will work; # %defaultroute is okay for most simple cases. interfaces="ipsec0=eth0" # Debug-logging controls: "none" for (almost) none, "all" for lots. klipsdebug=none plutodebug=none #plutodebug=all # Use auto= parameters in conn descriptions to control startup actions. plutoload=%search plutostart=%search # Close down old connection when new one using same ID shows up. uniqueids=yes -- Bret Baptist Systems and Technical Support Specialist bbaptist@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services From barnabas at knicknack.net Thu Oct 11 10:23:38 2001 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rm -rf In-Reply-To: <3BC5A59B.5AA2EECB@securecomputing.com>; from jesse_erdmann@securecomputing.com on Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 08:58:51AM -0500 References: <20011011075319.B30615@fandre.com> <20011011133400.GOLM8102.femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> <3BC5A59B.5AA2EECB@securecomputing.com> Message-ID: <20011011101636.A26550@knicknack.net> I saw a quote recently that summed it up quite well. Unfortunately I cannot find the quote so I don't know to whom attribute it, but it was something like, "Neither extreme patriotism nor extreme pacificism is virtuous." Extreme patriotism can cause a nation to blindly follow a leader who leads the nation into the most horrific atrocities. The twentieth century is full of examples of such men and nations, the most well known of which will remain unnamed so as to not kill this thread. You cannot, however, say that the freedoms enjoyed by all people around the world are the same. In light of recent events, you surely cannot claim that the rights of the people in Afghanistan are the same as the those we have in the United States. I could easily name another half dozen or more countries in which you could not enjoy the same level of liberty that we have. It is for this reason that I am proud to be an American. I am not proud in an arrogant sense, but rather in a thankful one. And the freedom we enjoy comes at a price. That price is responsibility. Responsibility to both govern ourselves (as individuals) and make sure that those who govern us (our elected officials) preserve our liberties. Eric On Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 08:58:51AM -0500, Jesse Erdmann wrote: > Okay, this probably isn't the place or anything, but I'm getting really > pissed about all of this nationalism. They even have a commercial with > people of various cultures saying "I am an American". > > This is all well and good, but wouldn't the most appropriate slogan (if > a slogan were ever appropriate) be "I am a human being". Maybe have > people say it in different languages. In the case of this t-shirt, > perhaps have a globe instead of the American flag. > > I suppose people deeply into animal rights would want it to be something > like, "I am a sentient being" or something like that. I guess I just > don't feel like going that far right now. :) > > > Jesse Erdmann > Engineer > Secure Computing Corp. > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jacque at fruitioninc.com Thu Oct 11 10:27:02 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rm -rf In-Reply-To: <20011011150017.IIFE3928.femail40.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Message-ID: I saw those shirts at thinkgeek and was going to buy one for Mike, but I thought that giving the red cross only $3 of the proceeds was kinda bunk. It's not like the $11.99 goes to linux-related projects (like many of the copyleft shirts), it goes to thinkgeek. I'm still thinking about the "/usr/bin/girl" shirt tho, because it's glittery now and I like glitter. (note: not Mariah Carey) ~j From bbaptist at iexposure.com Thu Oct 11 10:30:40 2001 From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DIsregard the ipsec message Message-ID: <200110111519.f9BFJJU13947@destiny.iexposure.com> Sorry about that last message, damn KMail auto addressing things. -- Bret Baptist Systems and Technical Support Specialist bbaptist@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services From PCZeilon at att.net Thu Oct 11 10:33:26 2001 From: PCZeilon at att.net (Carl & Paula Zeilon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Hardware Question Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20011011101311.02143370@127.0.0.1> If I understand you right, the box will not boot from Floppy, CD, or HD. This is after you have set the BIOS to change the boot order? If not - change the boot order in the BIOS. If so - clear the BIOS with the motherboard jumper & try again. What was on this hard drive before? Did you clear the MBR? PS, I always use Partition Magic. No problems. Carl >The box will not boot, everything I try results in PRESS KEY TO REBOOT. > I have tried to boot from floppy and bootable CD and in both cases, >the BIOS accesses the media, beeps once and responds with PRESS KEY TO >REBOOT. The mobo is a FIC and the BIOS is Award. From jay at slushpupie.com Thu Oct 11 10:36:42 2001 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rm -rf In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011011153530.KFTW19743.femail10.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> I never said it finantially supports the linux community.. only that it supports it. Much the same way striking unions are supported by non striking unions. On Thursday 11 October 2001 10:24 am, you wrote: > I saw those shirts at thinkgeek and was going to buy one for Mike, but I > thought that giving the red cross only $3 of the proceeds was kinda bunk. > It's not like the $11.99 goes to linux-related projects (like many of the > copyleft shirts), it goes to thinkgeek. I'm still thinking about the > "/usr/bin/girl" shirt tho, because it's glittery now and I like glitter. > (note: not Mariah Carey) > > ~j > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- Q: How do you stop an elephant from charging? A: Take away his credit cards. From jay at slushpupie.com Thu Oct 11 10:39:10 2001 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DIsregard the ipsec message In-Reply-To: <200110111519.f9BFJJU13947@destiny.iexposure.com> References: <200110111519.f9BFJJU13947@destiny.iexposure.com> Message-ID: <20011011153708.KJMV669.femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Ive ran into that a few times myself.. kind of a pain. Jay On Thursday 11 October 2001 10:19 am, you wrote: > Sorry about that last message, damn KMail auto addressing things. -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- Be careful of reading health books, you might die of a misprint. -- Mark Twain From hans at friedchicken.org Thu Oct 11 11:04:01 2001 From: hans at friedchicken.org (Hans P. Christianson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rm -rf In-Reply-To: <3BC5A59B.5AA2EECB@securecomputing.com> Message-ID: Personally I think it's kind of cool that people are selling American flag package deals on late night tv for 14.95. You know, the kind that you clip to your car window. What could be more American than trying to make money off of a tragedy? --- H. P. Christianson 20 NE Second St. #1005 Minneapolis, MN 55413 (612) 327-6654 hans@friedchicken.org On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, Jesse Erdmann wrote: > Okay, this probably isn't the place or anything, but I'm getting really > pissed about all of this nationalism. They even have a commercial with > people of various cultures saying "I am an American". > > This is all well and good, but wouldn't the most appropriate slogan (if > a slogan were ever appropriate) be "I am a human being". Maybe have > people say it in different languages. In the case of this t-shirt, > perhaps have a globe instead of the American flag. > > I suppose people deeply into animal rights would want it to be something > like, "I am a sentient being" or something like that. I guess I just > don't feel like going that far right now. :) > > Jay Kline wrote: > > > > Yeah, but I prefer the american flag with 'chmod a+rwx /bin/freedom' at the > > bottom.. less violent. :-) > > > > http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/apparel/5790.shtml > > > > On Thursday 11 October 2001 07:53 am, you wrote: > > > Everybody see this t-shirt yet? 3 bucks goes to the RedCross. Not a bad > > > deal. > > > > > > http://www.thinkgeek.net/stuff/apparel/57b2.shtml > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -- > > Jay Kline > > list@slushpupie.com > > http://www.slushpupie.com > > -- > > You have a will that can be influenced by all with whom you come in contact. > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > > Jesse Erdmann > Engineer > Secure Computing Corp. > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From fertch at mninter.net Thu Oct 11 11:14:01 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman archives (suckage) References: <20011011033211.D16071@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3BC5392F.1020703@mninter.net> Out of curiosity, any chance of getting a search feature on the archives? 'Cause it really sucks having to dig through all of them without a search field. From barnabas at knicknack.net Thu Oct 11 11:22:25 2001 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SystemImage boot failure Message-ID: <20011011112151.C26550@knicknack.net> I've posted this to the systemimager list, but it doesn't appear to be terribly active. I also know that at least one person in the TCLUG has used systemimager, so I hope someone here can help. This is all using systemimager v1.50. I am also using syslinux v1.48. I'm seeing a failure in the boot process when using a diskette (and a local.cfg file) to build a new client. I doubt that this is a systemimager issue, but I don't where else to ask. When the system boots, I see the following: ... autorun DONE. Bad md_map in ll_rw_block EXT2-fs: unable to read superblock Bad md_map in ll_rw_block reiserfs_read_super: unable to read superblock on dev 09:03 reiserfs_read_super: try to find super block in old location Bad md_map in ll_rw_block reiserfs_read_super: unable to read superblock on dev 09:03 Bad md_map in ll_rw_block FAT bread failed Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 09:03 I assume that 09:03 is a reference to the character device with the major device number 9 and minor number 3. On one of my other systems, this device is md3 (the fourth raid device?) Why would it be trying to mount the root fs on md3 when no such beast exists on the new system? I have also tried specifying the kernel and initrd image at the boot prompt ('kernel initrd=initrd.gz' to be exact), but it still behaves the same way. Any ideas? TIA Eric From PCZeilon at att.net Thu Oct 11 12:15:26 2001 From: PCZeilon at att.net (Carl & Paula Zeilon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Configure Errors Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20011011120135.00ab9380@127.0.0.1> I'm trying to install a program from source code. In running "configure", I get error messages about confdefs.h I assume this is because there is no such file in my system. Anybody know what package to install to get this file? Mandrake 8.0 This kind of problem always happens to me. Is there any easy way to locate these kinds of required files without always posting? From patrickm at eltecinc.com Thu Oct 11 12:18:37 2001 From: patrickm at eltecinc.com (patrickm) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] C argument passing? References: Message-ID: <003001c15278$d4583bf0$3cc8a8c0@eltecinc.com> Are you tracing through the disassembled code with the debugger? It's been a long time since I did this but I'll give you what I remember. In your example, first the the options variable is pushed on the stack, then the address of db_handle. Then the function is called. In the function itself, ESP is saved in EBP and ESP is adjusted to make room for the function's local variables. At this point parameters passed to the function are above EBP and are referenced as EBP+x, local variables are below EBP and referenced as EBP-x. The first parameter (db_handle) is probably at EBP+8. The returned value is passed back in the EAX register. This all comes from my dos/windows experience - I don't know how well it translates to Linux. Patrick McCabe ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua b. Jore To: Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 7:14 AM Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] C argument passing? > So this isn't really a Linux question but I haven't turned up much that's > useful from stuff like google. (there are just too many things that aren't > the right answer). I'm trying to figure out how to use some parts of the > Lotus Notes' undocumented API and while I can get down with a debugger to > exactly where the code goes through I'm not sure where exactly to look for > the various parts of a call like: > > int my_func(unsigned int* db_handle, unsigned int options); > > I assume I should be looking at everything from ESP to ESI? Or maybe ESP > to EBP? I dunno. And where does that return int get put? Arg. Ideas? > > (and yes, I'm only intel right now) > > Joshua Jore > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From troy.johnson at HEALTH.STATE.MN.US Thu Oct 11 12:34:01 2001 From: troy.johnson at HEALTH.STATE.MN.US (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] For those who may have to deal with XP soon... Message-ID: An article: http://www.infoworld.com/articles/op/xml/01/10/08/011008oplivingston.xml From tanner at real-time.com Thu Oct 11 12:38:35 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman archives (suckage) In-Reply-To: <3BC5392F.1020703@mninter.net>; from fertch@mninter.net on Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 06:16:15AM +0000 References: <20011011033211.D16071@real-time.com> <3BC5392F.1020703@mninter.net> Message-ID: <20011011123731.A9641@real-time.com> Quoting Shawn (fertch@mninter.net): > Out of curiosity, any chance of getting a search feature on the > archives? 'Cause it really sucks having to dig through all of them > without a search field. This is, there has always been a search for it. From tanner at real-time.com Thu Oct 11 12:41:08 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman archives (suckage) In-Reply-To: <20011011100930.A9410@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 10:09:30AM -0500 References: <20011011033211.D16071@real-time.com> <20011011100930.A9410@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20011011123945.B9641@real-time.com> Quoting Dave Sherohman (esper@sherohman.org): > On Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 03:32:11AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > So any mailing list packages that are like mailman, but using a relational > > database on the backside for archives? > > Sounds like a good idea to me... Have you asked the Mailman list > if anyone's working on either maildir or database support for the > archive? > Yes, the response is pipermail sucks and needs to be re-written. The source code is open source, was I volunteering to write it :-) Don't have time now and I don't know squat about python. My thought was to write it in jpython, since I know java. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Thu Oct 11 12:43:02 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Configure Errors In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20011011120135.00ab9380@127.0.0.1>; from PCZeilon@att.net on Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 12:11:06PM -0500 References: <5.0.2.1.0.20011011120135.00ab9380@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <20011011124121.A19619@trammell.dyndns.org> On Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 12:11:06PM -0500, Carl & Paula Zeilon wrote: > I'm trying to install a program from source code. In running "configure", > I get error messages about confdefs.h I assume this is because there is > no such file in my system. Why assume? What do the error messages say? -- johntrammell@yahoo.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 240 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011011/267f8692/attachment.pgp From tanner at real-time.com Thu Oct 11 12:45:06 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4.11 and USB problems In-Reply-To: <20011011090619.51a78f76.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 09:06:19AM -0500 References: <20011010220417.U26659@real-time.com> <20011011090619.51a78f76.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011011124159.C9641@real-time.com> Quoting Mike Hicks (hick0088@tc.umn.edu): > Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > Upgraded to 2.4.11 and I got USB problems. > > Well, first off, you should probably go up to 2.4.12... > > http://asimov.lib.uaa.alaska.edu/linux-kernel/archive/2001-Week-41/0920.html > I did, still has the usb problem. 2 kernel builds on different releases in 1 night. Yummy! -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From clay at fandre.com Thu Oct 11 12:47:29 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman archives (suckage) In-Reply-To: <20011011123731.A9641@real-time.com> References: <20011011033211.D16071@real-time.com> <3BC5392F.1020703@mninter.net> <20011011123731.A9641@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011011124538.A14112@fandre.com> It's also on each mailing list archive page. http://www.mn-linux.org/mailinglists/ On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Shawn (fertch@mninter.net): > > Out of curiosity, any chance of getting a search feature on the > > archives? 'Cause it really sucks having to dig through all of them > > without a search field. > > This is, there has always been a search for it. > > >From the main page of the lug web site, look right side middle, link called > search. > > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jay at slushpupie.com Thu Oct 11 12:56:01 2001 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4.11 and USB problems In-Reply-To: <20011011124159.C9641@real-time.com> References: <20011010220417.U26659@real-time.com> <20011011090619.51a78f76.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20011011124159.C9641@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011011175456.OIBN16499.femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Just based on the fact 2.4.11 had known problems, I would try to get 2.4.10 or earlier to work.. let 2.4.12 stabalize a little Jay On Thursday 11 October 2001 12:41 pm, you wrote: > Quoting Mike Hicks (hick0088@tc.umn.edu): > > Bob Tanner wrote: > > > Upgraded to 2.4.11 and I got USB problems. > > > > Well, first off, you should probably go up to 2.4.12... > > > > http://asimov.lib.uaa.alaska.edu/linux-kernel/archive/2001-Week-41/0920.h > >tml > > I did, still has the usb problem. > > 2 kernel builds on different releases in 1 night. > > Yummy! -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- You prefer the company of the opposite sex, but are well liked by your own. From wilcoxon at bridge.com Thu Oct 11 12:57:52 2001 From: wilcoxon at bridge.com (Stephen R. Wilcoxon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux tool for database schemas? In-Reply-To: Message from Bob Tanner of "Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:29:04 CDT." <20011010182904.L26659@real-time.com> References: <20011010182904.L26659@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200110111755.NAA02257@mnmailhost> On Wed 2001/10/10 18:29:04 CDT, Bob Tanner writes: > I'm looking for a tool under linux that can figure out database schemas when > all > you got is an ODBC datasource. What is the database behind the ODBC datasource? There is no uniform way of extracting a schema from a database. Oracle's info is all stored in the sys_* views and/or v$* tables. Sybase's info is all stored in dbo.sys* tables. MS SQL Server is probably similar to Sybase (or, at least, it was identical at one point). There is a Perl script called dbschema.pl floating around the internet that will extract the schema from a Sybase database -- you could probably modify this if the "real" database is Sybase. There are probably similar scripts for other databases. From fertch at mninter.net Thu Oct 11 13:09:24 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman archives (suckage) References: <20011011033211.D16071@real-time.com> <3BC5392F.1020703@mninter.net> <20011011123731.A9641@real-time.com> <20011011124538.A14112@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3BC55414.10507@mninter.net> Hmm, maybe I should've scrolled the screen further down when looking at the main page. Oh well.... Clay Fandre wrote: >It's also on each mailing list archive page. >http://www.mn-linux.org/mailinglists/ > > > >On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > >>Quoting Shawn (fertch@mninter.net): >> >>>Out of curiosity, any chance of getting a search feature on the >>>archives? 'Cause it really sucks having to dig through all of them >>>without a search field. >>> >>This is, there has always been a search for it. >> >>>From the main page of the lug web site, look right side middle, link called >>search. >> From poverby at megsinet.net Thu Oct 11 13:21:01 2001 From: poverby at megsinet.net (Paul Overby) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] For those who may have to deal with XP soon... References: Message-ID: <3BC5E249.7E4C57C@megsinet.net> Wow! sign me up. "Troy.A Johnson" wrote: > An article: > > http://www.infoworld.com/articles/op/xml/01/10/08/011008oplivingston.xml > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Paul Overby Poverby@megsinet.net Office: 651-686-6074 Home: 452-3233 From matthew at redroot.org Thu Oct 11 13:31:02 2001 From: matthew at redroot.org (matthew@redroot.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] For those who may have to deal with XP soon... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > An article: > > http://www.infoworld.com/articles/op/xml/01/10/08/011008oplivingston.xml > Read this article people... Micro$oft is running roughshod with their licensing requirements to use their software. Does it appear to anyone else that they are digging their own grave? mcd From fish at slava.net Thu Oct 11 13:35:25 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm off sendmail now, but... References: Message-ID: <3BC5E58F.1090405@slava.net> Thanks! :) Simeon Johnston wrote: >Ya... some of them need a lot of work. They assume quite a bit about the >user... > The first program I tried to install on my own... I was able to figure out I should read the README (which was just credits to the people that made it) and then I figured I should read the INSTALL (which said, "Just follow the normal procedure!") Unfortunately, there was no way for me to figure out "the normal procedure" from any of the information they provided. Speaking of assuming quite a bit, huh? I know ./configure && make && make install is not difficult to do, but it's not intuitive if you've never seen it before. :) > >Maybe just some dumba** pages would be better. I'd use them all the time. >:) > Well, "woman pages" is a working name... as long as no one gets the idea that they were changed to "dumba** pages" because of synonymy! Maybe "wtf pages"? Lorry From duncan at sodatrain.com Thu Oct 11 13:38:28 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] For those who may have to deal with XP soon... References: Message-ID: <3BC5E6C7.1000303@sodatrain.com> > > Read this article people... Micro$oft is running roughshod with their > licensing requirements to use their software. Does it appear to anyone else > that they are digging their own grave? grave? i sure hope so. From dsherman at real-time.com Thu Oct 11 13:41:17 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] For those who may have to deal with XP soon... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01101113414101.00907@dedannshae.thuria.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 11 October 2001 01:30 pm, matthew@redroot.org wrote: > On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > > An article: > > > > http://www.infoworld.com/articles/op/xml/01/10/08/011008oplivingston.x > >ml > > Read this article people... Micro$oft is running roughshod with their > licensing requirements to use their software. Does it appear to anyone > else that they are digging their own grave? We can always hope... Dave - -- 1:41pm up 1:42, 1 user, load average: 0.20, 0.07, 0.02 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7xeflA68l26XsZUYRAtzUAJ9MoxQXi9tAM/7JgMScHq3IZuynCgCfcgk1 0o7v7Nietxi3SuuqRSyxAFM= =fHyd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From fish at slava.net Thu Oct 11 13:43:01 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm off sendmail now, but... References: Message-ID: <3BC5E75F.90101@slava.net> OK, the user is added... (and the world rejoiced.... yay) I am supposed to make sure that a certain alias is in my etc/aliases but I don't have an /etc/aliases. Does this mean I should create one with that line in it, or does that mean I am missing a very important file? :/ Lorry From ssinn at qwest.net Thu Oct 11 13:49:18 2001 From: ssinn at qwest.net (Spencer J Sinn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] For those who may have to deal with XP soon... In-Reply-To: ; from matthew@redroot.org on Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 01:30:37PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20011011134548.A1795@thor> If they are digging their own grave, I have some shovels they can borrow... On Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 01:30:37PM -0500, matthew@redroot.org wrote: > On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > > > Read this article people... Micro$oft is running roughshod with their > licensing requirements to use their software. Does it appear to anyone else > that they are digging their own grave? > > > mcd > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Thanks, Spencer J Sinn From tanner at real-time.com Thu Oct 11 13:51:04 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux tool for database schemas? In-Reply-To: <200110111755.NAA02257@mnmailhost>; from wilcoxon@bridge.com on Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 12:55:42PM -0500 References: <20011010182904.L26659@real-time.com> <200110111755.NAA02257@mnmailhost> Message-ID: <20011011135059.F17826@real-time.com> Quoting Stephen R. Wilcoxon (wilcoxon@bridge.com): > What is the database behind the ODBC datasource? There is no uniform way > of extracting a schema from a database. Oracle's info is all stored in the > sys_* views and/or v$* tables. Sybase's info is all stored in dbo.sys* > tables. MS SQL Server is probably similar to Sybase (or, at least, it was > identical at one point). Ahh, that answers the question. I made a bad assuption that ODBC allowed a open standard to the database schema as well. Behind the ODBC connection is a funky little database called DB/TextWorks. It's a db specialized for libraries. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From erikh at headwaterssoftware.com Thu Oct 11 13:54:17 2001 From: erikh at headwaterssoftware.com (Erik Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm off sendmail now, but... In-Reply-To: <3BC5E75F.90101@slava.net> Message-ID: I have seen that on some systems the aliases file is in /etc/mail/aliases. Try there. -Erik -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Lorry Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 1:39 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] I'm off sendmail now, but... OK, the user is added... (and the world rejoiced.... yay) I am supposed to make sure that a certain alias is in my etc/aliases but I don't have an /etc/aliases. Does this mean I should create one with that line in it, or does that mean I am missing a very important file? :/ Lorry _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.282 / Virus Database: 150 - Release Date: 9/25/2001 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.282 / Virus Database: 150 - Release Date: 9/25/2001 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Oct 11 13:56:50 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] For those who may have to deal with XP soon... In-Reply-To: ; from matthew@redroot.org on Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 01:30:37PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20011011135359.G17826@real-time.com> Quoting matthew@redroot.org (matthew@redroot.org): > Read this article people... Micro$oft is running roughshod with their > licensing requirements to use their software. Does it appear to anyone else > that they are digging their own grave? When you are the king of hell, graves are the doorway to your domain. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From fish at slava.net Thu Oct 11 13:59:31 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm off sendmail now, but... References: Message-ID: <3BC5EB18.5020003@slava.net> Excellent! Thank you. :) Lorry, getting more optimistic Erik Hanson wrote: >I have seen that on some systems the aliases file is in /etc/mail/aliases. >Try there. >-Erik > From josh at greentechnologist.org Thu Oct 11 14:03:02 2001 From: josh at greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] C argument passing? In-Reply-To: <003001c15278$d4583bf0$3cc8a8c0@eltecinc.com> Message-ID: Pat, Thanks. That gibes with what I've been seeing. Thanks for confirming that. I guessed the return value was going into EAX but I wasn't entirely sure. So if this was C++ then the object's address would also have been pushed on the stack? Perhaps right after the return address? Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, patrickm wrote: > Are you tracing through the disassembled code with the debugger? It's been > a long time since I did this but I'll give you what I remember. > > In your example, first the the options variable is pushed on the stack, then > the address of db_handle. Then the function is called. In the function > itself, ESP is saved in EBP and ESP is adjusted to make room for the > function's local variables. At this point parameters passed to the function > are above EBP and are referenced as EBP+x, local variables are below EBP and > referenced as EBP-x. The first parameter (db_handle) is probably at EBP+8. > > The returned value is passed back in the EAX register. > > This all comes from my dos/windows experience - I don't know how well it > translates to Linux. > > Patrick McCabe > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua b. Jore > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 7:14 AM > Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] C argument passing? > > > > So this isn't really a Linux question but I haven't turned up much that's > > useful from stuff like google. (there are just too many things that aren't > > the right answer). I'm trying to figure out how to use some parts of the > > Lotus Notes' undocumented API and while I can get down with a debugger to > > exactly where the code goes through I'm not sure where exactly to look for > > the various parts of a call like: > > > > int my_func(unsigned int* db_handle, unsigned int options); > > > > I assume I should be looking at everything from ESP to ESI? Or maybe ESP > > to EBP? I dunno. And where does that return int get put? Arg. Ideas? > > > > (and yes, I'm only intel right now) > > > > Joshua Jore > > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From PCZeilon at att.net Thu Oct 11 14:22:01 2001 From: PCZeilon at att.net (Carl & Paula Zeilon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Configure Errors Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20011011141747.00ac0050@127.0.0.1> OK, here is the whole thing: This file contains any messages produced by compilers while running configure, to aid debugging if configure makes a mistake. configure:621: checking host system type configure:642: checking target system type configure:660: checking build system type configure:719: checking for a BSD compatible install configure:776: checking for -p flag to install configure:799: checking whether build environment is sane configure:837: checking whether make sets ${MAKE} configure:883: checking for working aclocal configure:896: checking for working autoconf configure:909: checking for working automake configure:922: checking for working autoheader configure:935: checking for working makeinfo configure:1041: checking for a C-Compiler configure:1047: checking for gcc configure:1153: checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works configure:1169: gcc -o conftest conftest.c 1>&5 configure:1195: checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) is a cross-compiler configure:1200: checking whether we are using GNU C configure:1209: gcc -E conftest.c configure:1312: checking how to run the C preprocessor configure:1333: gcc -E conftest.c >/dev/null 2>conftest.out configure:1374: checking for a C++-Compiler configure:1380: checking for g++ configure:1496: checking whether the C++ compiler (g++ ) works configure:1517: rm -rf SunWS_cache; g++ -o conftest conftest.C 1>&5 configure:1543: checking whether the C++ compiler (g++ ) is a cross-compiler configure:1548: checking whether we are using GNU C++ configure:1557: g++ -E conftest.C configure:1631: checking whether g++ supports -fno-exceptions configure:1664: checking whether g++ supports -fno-check-new configure:1808: checking whether g++ supports -fexceptions configure:1842: checking whether g++ supports -frtti configure:1931: checking how to run the C++ preprocessor configure:1953: g++ -E conftest.C >/dev/null 2>conftest.out configure:2013: checking whether g++ supports -frepo configure:2207: checking for ld used by GCC configure:2275: checking if the linker (/usr/bin/ld) is GNU ld GNU ld version 2.10.91 (with BFD 2.10.1.0.2) configure:2292: checking for /usr/bin/ld option to reload object files configure:2304: checking for BSD-compatible nm configure:2342: checking whether ln -s works configure:2363: checking how to recognise dependant libraries configure:2684: checking for ranlib configure:2751: checking for strip configure:2923: checking for Cygwin environment configure:2939: gcc -c -O2 conftest.c 1>&5 configure: In function `main': configure:2935: `__CYGWIN32__' undeclared (first use in this function) configure:2935: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once configure:2935: for each function it appears in.) configure: failed program was: #line 2928 "configure" #include "confdefs.h" int main() { #ifndef __CYGWIN__ #define __CYGWIN__ __CYGWIN32__ #endif return __CYGWIN__; ; return 0; } configure:2956: checking for mingw32 environment configure:2968: gcc -c -O2 conftest.c 1>&5 configure: In function `main': configure:2964: `__MINGW32__' undeclared (first use in this function) configure:2964: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once configure:2964: for each function it appears in.) configure: failed program was: #line 2961 "configure" #include "confdefs.h" int main() { return __MINGW32__; ; return 0; } ltcf-c.sh:need_lc: gcc -c -O2 conftest.c 1>&5 ltcf-c.sh:need_lc: gcc -shared conftest. -v -Wl,-soname -Wl,conftest -o conftest ltconfig:678:checking for gcc option to produce PIC ltconfig:687:checking that gcc PIC flag -fPIC -DPIC works. ltconfig:697: gcc -c -O2 -fPIC -DPIC -DPIC conftest.c 1>&5 ltconfig:749: checking if gcc static flag -static works ltconfig:758: gcc -o conftest -O2 -static conftest.c 1>&5 ltconfig:780: finding the maximum length of command line arguments ltconfig:@lineno@: result: 73729 ltconfig:829: checking if gcc supports -c -o file.o ltconfig:830: gcc -c -O2 -o out/conftest2.o conftest.c 1>&5 ltconfig:883: checking if gcc supports -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions ltconfig:884: gcc -c -O2 -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions -c conftest.c conftest.c 1>&5 ltconfig:1423: checking if global_symbol_pipe works ltconfig:1424: gcc -c -O2 conftest.c 1>&5 ltconfig:1427: eval "/usr/bin/nm -B conftest.o | sed -n -e 's/^.*[ ]\([ABCDGISTW]\)[ ][ ]*\(\)\([_A-Za-z][_A-Za-z0-9]*\)$/\1 \2\3 \3/p' > conftest.nm" ltconfig:1479: gcc -o conftest -O2 -fno-builtin -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions conftest.c conftstm.o 1>&5 ltconfig:1583: checking for dlopen in -ldl ltconfig:1603: gcc -o conftest -O2 -fno-builtin -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions conftest.c -ldl 1>&5 ltconfig:1863: checking for dlfcn.h ltconfig:1874: gcc -c -O2 -fno-builtin -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions conftest.c 1>&5 >/dev/null 2>conftest.out ltconfig:1902: checking whether a program can dlopen itself ltconfig:1957: gcc -o conftest -O2 -fno-builtin -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions -DHAVE_DLFCN_H -Wl,--export-dynamic conftest.c -ldl 1>&5 ltconfig:1976: checking whether a statically linked program can dlopen itself ltconfig:2031: gcc -o conftest -O2 -fno-builtin -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions -DHAVE_DLFCN_H -Wl,--export-dynamic -static conftest.c -ldl 1>&5 ltconfig: failed program was: /*#line 1984 "ltconfig"*/ #if HAVE_DLFCN_H #include #endif #include #ifdef RTLD_GLOBAL # define LTDL_GLOBAL RTLD_GLOBAL #else # ifdef DL_GLOBAL # define LTDL_GLOBAL DL_GLOBAL # else # define LTDL_GLOBAL 0 # endif #endif /* We may have to define LTDL_LAZY_OR_NOW in the command line if we find out it does not work in some platform. */ #ifndef LTDL_LAZY_OR_NOW # ifdef RTLD_LAZY # define LTDL_LAZY_OR_NOW RTLD_LAZY # else # ifdef DL_LAZY # define LTDL_LAZY_OR_NOW DL_LAZY # else # ifdef RTLD_NOW # define LTDL_LAZY_OR_NOW RTLD_NOW # else # ifdef DL_NOW # define LTDL_LAZY_OR_NOW DL_NOW # else # define LTDL_LAZY_OR_NOW 0 # endif # endif # endif # endif #endif void fnord() { int i=42; } int main() { void *self, *ptr1, *ptr2; self=dlopen(0,LTDL_GLOBAL|LTDL_LAZY_OR_NOW); if(self) { ptr1=dlsym(self,"fnord"); ptr2=dlsym(self,"_fnord"); if(ptr1 || ptr2) { dlclose(self); exit(0); } } exit(1); return 1; } g++ -E conftest.cc ltconfig:678:checking for g++ option to produce PIC ltconfig:687:checking that g++ PIC flag -fPIC -DPIC works. ltconfig:697: g++ -c -O2 -fno-exceptions -fno-check-new -fPIC -DPIC -DPIC conftest.cc 1>&5 ltconfig:749: checking if g++ static flag -static works ltconfig:758: g++ -o conftest -O2 -fno-exceptions -fno-check-new -static conftest.cc 1>&5 ltconfig:780: finding the maximum length of command line arguments ltconfig:@lineno@: result: 73729 ltconfig:883: checking if g++ supports -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions ltconfig:884: g++ -c -O2 -fno-exceptions -fno-check-new -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions -c conftest.cc conftest.cc 1>&5 ltconfig:1423: checking if global_symbol_pipe works ltconfig:1424: g++ -c -O2 -fno-exceptions -fno-check-new conftest.cc 1>&5 ltconfig:1427: eval "/usr/bin/nm -B conftest.o | sed -n -e 's/^.*[ ]\([ABCDGISTW]\)[ ][ ]*\(\)\([_A-Za-z][_A-Za-z0-9]*\)$/\1 \2\3 \3/p' > conftest.nm" ltconfig:1479: g++ -o conftest -O2 -fno-exceptions -fno-check-new -fno-builtin -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions conftest.cc conftstm.o 1>&5 ltconfig:1863: checking for dlfcn.h ltconfig:1902: checking whether a program can dlopen itself ltconfig:1976: checking whether a statically linked program can dlopen itself configure:3103: checking for object suffix configure:3109: gcc -c -O2 conftest.c 1>&5 configure:3129: checking for executable suffix configure:3139: gcc -o conftest -O2 conftest.c 1>&5 configure:3185: checking for msgfmt configure:3219: checking for gmsgfmt configure:3264: checking for xgettext configure:3317: checking for main in -lcompat configure:3332: gcc -o conftest -O2 conftest.c -lcompat 1>&5 /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lcompat collect2: ld returned 1 exit status configure: failed program was: #line 3325 "configure" #include "confdefs.h" int main() { main() ; return 0; } configure:3354: checking for crypt in -lcrypt configure:3373: gcc -o conftest -O2 conftest.c -lcrypt 1>&5 configure:3448: checking for socklen_t configure:3478: g++ -c -O2 -fno-exceptions -fno-check-new conftest.C 1>&5 configure:3545: checking for dnet_ntoa in -ldnet configure:3564: gcc -o conftest -O2 conftest.c -ldnet 1>&5 /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -ldnet collect2: ld returned 1 exit status configure: failed program was: #line 3553 "configure" #include "confdefs.h" /* Override any gcc2 internal prototype to avoid an error. */ /* We use char because int might match the return type of a gcc2 builtin and then its argument prototype would still apply. */ char dnet_ntoa(); int main() { dnet_ntoa() ; return 0; } configure:3586: checking for dnet_ntoa in -ldnet_stub configure:3605: gcc -o conftest -O2 conftest.c -ldnet_stub 1>&5 /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -ldnet_stub collect2: ld returned 1 exit status configure: failed program was: #line 3594 "configure" #include "confdefs.h" /* Override any gcc2 internal prototype to avoid an error. */ /* We use char because int might match the return type of a gcc2 builtin and then its argument prototype would still apply. */ char dnet_ntoa(); int main() { dnet_ntoa() ; return 0; } configure:3627: checking for inet_ntoa configure:3655: gcc -o conftest -O2 conftest.c 1>&5 configure:3717: checking for connect configure:3745: gcc -o conftest -O2 conftest.c 1>&5 configure:3808: checking for remove configure:3836: gcc -o conftest -O2 conftest.c 1>&5 configure:3900: checking for shmat configure:3928: gcc -o conftest -O2 conftest.c 1>&5 configure:3990: checking for res_init configure:4018: gcc -o conftest -O2 conftest.c 1>&5 /tmp/ccOwgLu4.o: In function `main': /tmp/ccOwgLu4.o(.text+0x6): undefined reference to `res_init' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status configure: failed program was: #line 3995 "configure" #include "confdefs.h" /* System header to define __stub macros and hopefully few prototypes, which can conflict with char res_init(); below. */ #include /* Override any gcc2 internal prototype to avoid an error. */ /* We use char because int might match the return type of a gcc2 builtin and then its argument prototype would still apply. */ char res_init(); int main() { /* The GNU C library defines this for functions which it implements to always fail with ENOSYS. Some functions are actually named something starting with __ and the normal name is an alias. */ #if defined (__stub_res_init) || defined (__stub___res_init) choke me #else res_init(); #endif ; return 0; } configure:4036: checking for res_init in -lresolv configure:4055: gcc -o conftest -O2 conftest.c -lresolv 1>&5 /tmp/cctHgljq.o: In function `main': /tmp/cctHgljq.o(.text+0x6): undefined reference to `res_init' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status configure: failed program was: #line 4044 "configure" #include "confdefs.h" /* Override any gcc2 internal prototype to avoid an error. */ /* We use char because int might match the return type of a gcc2 builtin and then its argument prototype would still apply. */ char res_init(); int main() { res_init() ; return 0; } configure:4082: checking for killpg in -lucb configure:4101: gcc -o conftest -O2 conftest.c -lucb 1>&5 /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lucb collect2: ld returned 1 exit status configure: failed program was: #line 4090 "configure" #include "confdefs.h" /* Override any gcc2 internal prototype to avoid an error. */ /* We use char because int might match the return type of a gcc2 builtin and then its argument prototype would still apply. */ char killpg(); int main() { killpg() ; return 0; } configure:4170: checking size of int configure:4190: gcc -o conftest -O2 conftest.c 1>&5 configure:4209: checking size of long configure:4229: gcc -o conftest -O2 conftest.c 1>&5 configure:4248: checking size of char * configure:4268: gcc -o conftest -O2 conftest.c 1>&5 configure:4287: checking size of char configure:4307: gcc -o conftest -O2 conftest.c 1>&5 configure:4328: checking for dlopen in -ldl configure:4372: checking for shl_unload in -ldld configure:4391: gcc -o conftest -O2 conftest.c -ldld 1>&5 /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -ldld collect2: ld returned 1 exit status configure: failed program was: #line 4380 "configure" #include "confdefs.h" /* Override any gcc2 internal prototype to avoid an error. */ /* We use char because int might match the return type of a gcc2 builtin and then its argument prototype would still apply. */ char shl_unload(); int main() { shl_unload() ; return 0; } configure:4420: checking for extra includes configure:4451: checking for extra libs configure:4485: checking for libz configure:4511: gcc -o conftest -O2 conftest.c -lz 1>&5 configure:4504:17: zlib.h: No such file or directory configure: failed program was: #line 4502 "configure" #include "confdefs.h" #include int main() { return (zlibVersion() == ZLIB_VERSION); ; return 0; } From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Thu Oct 11 14:44:01 2001 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm off sendmail now, but... Message-ID: <011011144344.2021e5f6@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Hi Don't know if it'll make any difference, but I'd feel a little uncomfortable with the field empty. I think I'd use /dev/null as the homedir, assuming it doesn't do something to postfix Ed Hoeffner 1-271 BSBE 312 Church St. SE Mpls, MN 55455 hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu 612-625-2115 612-625-2163 fax Don't know, but you can do it the long way around and... 1 - Create the user. 2 - Delete the home dir ( rm -rf /home/postfix ). 3 - Remove the home dir from /etc/passwd ( Carefully AFTER you backup the file ). From patrickm at eltecinc.com Thu Oct 11 14:50:02 2001 From: patrickm at eltecinc.com (patrickm) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] C argument passing? References: Message-ID: <00b801c1528d$fea24bc0$3cc8a8c0@eltecinc.com> > Pat, > Thanks. That gibes with what I've been seeing. Thanks for confirming that. > I guessed the return value was going into EAX but I wasn't entirely sure. > So if this was C++ then the object's address would also have been pushed > on the stack? Perhaps right after the return address? > > Joshua Jore > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > Maybe. The the 'this' pointer is passed to the function somehow. It could be passed implicitly as the first parameter, in which case it is the first parameter pushed on the stack and therefore the nearest to EBP in the called function. I'm hedging here because I notice on my system (win32, alas), it is being passed in the ECX register. Patrick McCabe From patrickm at eltecinc.com Thu Oct 11 15:11:04 2001 From: patrickm at eltecinc.com (patrickm) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] C argument passing? References: <00b801c1528d$fea24bc0$3cc8a8c0@eltecinc.com> Message-ID: <00c801c15290$f29ba760$3cc8a8c0@eltecinc.com> > > Pat, > > Thanks. That gibes with what I've been seeing. Thanks for confirming that. > > I guessed the return value was going into EAX but I wasn't entirely sure. > > So if this was C++ then the object's address would also have been pushed > > on the stack? Perhaps right after the return address? > > > > Joshua Jore > > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > > > > Maybe. The the 'this' pointer is passed to the function somehow. It could > be passed implicitly as the first parameter, in which case it is the first > parameter pushed on the stack and therefore the nearest to EBP in the called > function. I'm hedging here because I notice on my system (win32, alas), it > is being passed in the ECX register. > > Patrick McCabe > I should have said it is the LAST parameter pushed on the stack. Patrick From josh at greentechnologist.org Thu Oct 11 15:13:04 2001 From: josh at greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] C argument passing? In-Reply-To: <00b801c1528d$fea24bc0$3cc8a8c0@eltecinc.com> Message-ID: Hmm... know any good books or online texts on this stuff? It seems that most stuff is passed through the stack but some things are done via the other registers (ESI, EDI, ECX) and I don't know if this is something that is just up to the individual compiler or what. Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, patrickm wrote: > > Pat, > > Thanks. That gibes with what I've been seeing. Thanks for confirming that. > > I guessed the return value was going into EAX but I wasn't entirely sure. > > So if this was C++ then the object's address would also have been pushed > > on the stack? Perhaps right after the return address? > > > > Joshua Jore > > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > > > > Maybe. The the 'this' pointer is passed to the function somehow. It could > be passed implicitly as the first parameter, in which case it is the first > parameter pushed on the stack and therefore the nearest to EBP in the called > function. I'm hedging here because I notice on my system (win32, alas), it > is being passed in the ECX register. > > Patrick McCabe > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Oct 11 15:30:01 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rm -rf In-Reply-To: <20011011101636.A26550@knicknack.net> References: <20011011075319.B30615@fandre.com> <20011011133400.GOLM8102.femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> <3BC5A59B.5AA2EECB@securecomputing.com> <20011011101636.A26550@knicknack.net> Message-ID: <20011011152933.0ecb4331.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Eric Stanley wrote: > > It is for this reason that I am proud to be an American. I am not > proud in an arrogant sense, but rather in a thankful one. And the > freedom we enjoy comes at a price. That price is responsibility. > Responsibility to both govern ourselves (as individuals) and make sure > that those who govern us (our elected officials) preserve our > liberties. I also hope we can promote liberties elsewhere in the world. I mean, it's the least we can do after our cultural invasions have forced everybody to eat at McDonald's ;-) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I wish life had a / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ scroll-back buffer. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I made a bad assuption that ODBC allowed a open > standard to the database schema as well. > > Behind the ODBC connection is a funky little database called DB/TextWorks. It's > a db specialized for libraries. I'm pretty sure ODBC does indeed define a db-independent means to access the database schema. However, this functionality might not be supported by all ODBC drivers. The following links may be of interest (Win32::ODBC Perl module): http://www.roth.net/perl/odbc/ http://www.roth.net/perl/odbc/docs/Object/ The Win32::ODBC object provides some meta-data methods such as TableList(), FieldNames(), and Catalog(). Otherwise, I think it's also possible to directly invoke subroutines defined in the ODBC DLLs using Visual Basic or Visual C++ ... Joel From patrickm at eltecinc.com Thu Oct 11 16:13:01 2001 From: patrickm at eltecinc.com (patrickm) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] C argument passing? References: Message-ID: <00d001c15299$a7ad4930$3cc8a8c0@eltecinc.com> > Hmm... know any good books or online texts on this stuff? It seems that > most stuff is passed through the stack but some things are done via the > other registers (ESI, EDI, ECX) and I don't know if this is something that > is just up to the individual compiler or what. > > Joshua Jore > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > I haven't any books to recommend. The compiler documentation may talk about it. Writing simple programs and looking at the generated assembly code can be very informative. Patrick McCabe From simeonuj at eetc.com Thu Oct 11 16:25:01 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next months topic In-Reply-To: <20011005184504.A6952@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: > I think we need to post a list of requested topics off the web page > somewhere. That way we can find out what topics many people are > interested in. Then knowledgeable or ambitious members of the group can > volunteer for topics. The webpage would be helpfull > Recently I've heard interest in backup strategies for the home user. That was one... Security was in there somewhere. Network setup and monitoring may come into that also. I would be interested in that. Something on ViM would be cool. sim From hans at friedchicken.org Thu Oct 11 17:13:01 2001 From: hans at friedchicken.org (Hans P. Christianson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Configure Errors In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20011011120135.00ab9380@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: Well, if you're positive you're missing a package, you might be able to find it at rpmfind.net. That's where I find the random assortment of things I need usually. Or look for the program your installing from source on rpmfind.net. Even if you don't want to install the rpm, it will come up with a list of dependencies too. --- H. P. Christianson 20 NE Second St. #1005 Minneapolis, MN 55413 (612) 327-6654 hans@friedchicken.org On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, Carl & Paula Zeilon wrote: > I'm trying to install a program from source code. In running "configure", > I get error messages about confdefs.h I assume this is because there is > no such file in my system. Anybody know what package to install to get > this file? Mandrake 8.0 This kind of problem always happens to me. Is > there any easy way to locate these kinds of required files without always > posting? > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From ray at lctn.k12.mn.us Thu Oct 11 19:07:10 2001 From: ray at lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need trouble ticket tracking program/server Message-ID: <0ed801c152b1$56d76410$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> I have a school district with some students taking A+. I want to implement a system where a ticket number is automatically assigned to each problem. It would need to be something like Cisco or Onvoy uses, so we can track the history and conclusion of each case. Is there something like this out there for little or no cost? Raymond Norton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011011/bc3fef46/attachment.html From sextus at visi.com Thu Oct 11 19:24:00 2001 From: sextus at visi.com (Michael Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need trouble ticket tracking program/server In-Reply-To: <0ed801c152b1$56d76410$0238dccc@hutchtel.net>; from Raymond Norton on Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 07:03:35PM -0500 References: <0ed801c152b1$56d76410$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> Message-ID: <20011011192325.A29755@visi.com> ON Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 07:03:35PM -0500, Raymond Norton wrote: > I have a school district with some students taking A+. I want to implement a > system where a ticket number is automatically assigned to each problem. It > would need to be something like Cisco or Onvoy uses, so we can track the > history and conclusion of each case. Is there something like this out there > for little or no cost? Request Tracker is free software. The URL is http://fsck.com/projects/rt/ -- Michael From michael at mimbach.com Thu Oct 11 19:33:00 2001 From: michael at mimbach.com (Michael James Mimbach II) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need trouble ticket tracking program/server References: <0ed801c152b1$56d76410$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> <20011011192325.A29755@visi.com> Message-ID: <002501c152b5$5fcb4600$2a0b800a@xtratyme.com> There is lots of packages available Ray. Check out phpgroupware, bugin, gcdb, keystone. Im writing one right now for a consulting company I work with on the side. At XTI we have written a very indepth one completly php and mysql based. Well happy hunting. Oh phpgroupware and bugin I believe both have debain packages. :-) Michael J. Mimbach II KC0JRE michael@mimbach.com Senior RF/Network Engineer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Burns" To: Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Need trouble ticket tracking program/server > ON Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 07:03:35PM -0500, Raymond Norton wrote: > > I have a school district with some students taking A+. I want to implement a > > system where a ticket number is automatically assigned to each problem. It > > would need to be something like Cisco or Onvoy uses, so we can track the > > history and conclusion of each case. Is there something like this out there > > for little or no cost? > > Request Tracker is free software. > > The URL is http://fsck.com/projects/rt/ > > > -- > Michael > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From fish at slava.net Thu Oct 11 19:49:09 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] staroffice 6.0 Message-ID: <3BC63D5F.5000702@slava.net> I tried to download staroffice 6.0, but when it gets about halfway through my computer starts beeping frantically at me and won't shut up until I stop the download. I've tried several times from different sites and I get the same results. What does this mean? Thanks, Lorry From mpaulsen at charter.net Wed Oct 17 21:09:13 2001 From: mpaulsen at charter.net (Mike Paulsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need trouble ticket tracking program/server In-Reply-To: <0ed801c152b1$56d76410$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20011011194524.0282c630@pop.charter.net> I'm not sure I understand exactly what you're looking for, but it sounds like Request Tracker might work. We use modified versions of both RT1 and RT2. It's released under GNU GPL. http://www.fsck.com/projects/rt/ -- Mike. At 07:03 PM 10/11/01, Raymond wrote: >I have a school district with some students taking A+. I want to implement >a system where a ticket number is automatically assigned to each problem. >It would need to be something like Cisco or Onvoy uses, so we can track >the history and conclusion of each case. Is there something like this out >there for little or no cost? > > >Raymond Norton From chrome at real-time.com Wed Oct 17 21:35:48 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gigabit Ethernet In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 10:19:02PM -0500 References: <20011010215742.D31601@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011011204444.B5077@real-time.com> > 3com has had just as many problems as tulip.. remember for a long time you > had to run beta drivers to support the 3c905B cards, then the same thing > for the C? ummm... no? ;> I seem to remember 3c509Bs and Cs working fine from RH 5.1 onward (2.0.35)... (tho maybe it was a RH customization? I didn't build my own kernel until 2.0.36; which also worked fine with them.) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From jack at jacku.com Wed Oct 17 22:00:04 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux tool for database schemas? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01101121040300.01124@geezer> On Thursday 11 October 2001 15:52, you wrote: > > I'm pretty sure ODBC does indeed define a db-independent means to access > the database schema. However, this functionality might not be supported > by all ODBC drivers. > > The following links may be of interest (Win32::ODBC Perl module): > > http://www.roth.net/perl/odbc/ > http://www.roth.net/perl/odbc/docs/Object/ > > The Win32::ODBC object provides some meta-data methods such as > TableList(), FieldNames(), and Catalog(). > > Otherwise, I think it's also possible to directly invoke subroutines > defined in the ODBC DLLs using Visual Basic or Visual C++ ... > > Joel If nothing else Access has "Document Database" add-in that will dump the table objects structure. It should work with any linked tables. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From chrome at real-time.com Wed Oct 17 22:04:01 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] staroffice 6.0 In-Reply-To: <3BC63D5F.5000702@slava.net>; from fish@slava.net on Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 07:46:23PM -0500 References: <3BC63D5F.5000702@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011011210759.D5077@real-time.com> > I tried to download staroffice 6.0, but when it gets about halfway > through my computer starts beeping frantically at me and won't shut up > until I stop the download. I've tried several times from different > sites and I get the same results. What does this mean? what distro are you running? (possibly more importantly, what kernel version?) how much free space do you have on the partition you're downloading files to? what tool are you using to download it? (netscape, mozilla, gdm, opera?) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From jack at jacku.com Wed Oct 17 22:08:25 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need trouble ticket tracking program/server In-Reply-To: <0ed801c152b1$56d76410$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> References: <0ed801c152b1$56d76410$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> Message-ID: <01101121131501.01124@geezer> On Thursday 11 October 2001 19:03, you wrote: > I have a school district with some students taking A+. I want to implement > a system where a ticket number is automatically assigned to each problem. > It would need to be something like Cisco or Onvoy uses, so we can track the > history and conclusion of each case. Is there something like this out there > for little or no cost? > > > Raymond Norton If you are familiar with Zope (or want a good excuse to start using it.) There used to be a couple of pretty good help desk apps. One that I haven't had a chance to look at yet is f2w Helpdesk which seems to be the only one that comes up now on the zope.org site after a search. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From jay at slushpupie.com Wed Oct 17 22:13:14 2001 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Workie! Message-ID: <20011018021146.RRF29972.femail43.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Is this thing workie yet? Jay -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- After all, all he did was string together a lot of old, well-known quotations. -- H.L. Mencken, on Shakespeare From wilson at visi.com Wed Oct 17 22:32:08 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need trouble ticket tracking program/server In-Reply-To: <0ed801c152b1$56d76410$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, Raymond Norton wrote: > I have a school district with some students taking A+. I want to implement a system where a ticket number is automatically assigned to each problem. It would need to be something like Cisco or Onvoy uses, so we can track the history and conclusion of each case. Is there something like this out there for little or no cost? There's undoubtedly a PHP solution, but I'm not familiar with PHP. I do know that Zope has f2w (http://f2w.sourceforge.net/) among others that I've seen. I've not actually implemented any of them, however. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From chrome at real-time.com Wed Oct 17 22:36:05 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux on the iPaq Message-ID: <20011011211951.B5371@real-time.com> http://www.infoworld.com/articles/op/xml/01/10/08/011008opwireless.xml Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From dutchman at uswest.net Wed Oct 17 22:40:14 2001 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hardware Question References: <3BC50AA0.1010403@uswest.net> <20011010221658.41578c85.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3BC65813.3040302@uswest.net> Mike Hicks wrote: > "Perry Hoekstra" wrote: > >>The box will not boot, everything I try results in PRESS KEY TO REBOOT. >> I have tried to boot from floppy and bootable CD and in both cases, >>the BIOS accesses the media, beeps once and responds with PRESS KEY TO >>REBOOT. The mobo is a FIC and the BIOS is Award. >> > > I think this might be a variant of the `NO ROM BASIC' problem, where the > system will halt on boot if a there doesn't appear to be a valid partition > table on the first disk. You might have to find another hard drive with a > valid partition table to put in as the primary master disk. > > That was it! Thanks for the tip. Once I put another drive and and let the box recycle, I could boot to a floppy and resolve my problem. -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com From fish at slava.net Wed Oct 17 22:45:03 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] staroffice 6.0 References: <3BC63D5F.5000702@slava.net> <20011011210759.D5077@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3BCE42DA.8050603@slava.net> Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: >what distro are you running? (possibly more importantly, what kernel >version?) > Slackware 7.1, kernel 2.2.19 >how much free space do you have on the partition you're downloading files >to? > good question... probably 2G but I honestly don't remember. Where do I look for this info? >what tool are you using to download it? (netscape, mozilla, gdm, opera?) > It has been a few days, and my memory is like swiss cheese.... but I *think* I used Netscape because mozilla won't let me go to secure sites and I had to sign into sun.com to download it. Thanks! From clay at fandre.com Wed Oct 17 22:51:23 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Workie! In-Reply-To: <20011018021146.RRF29972.femail43.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> References: <20011018021146.RRF29972.femail43.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Message-ID: <20011017215918.A17353@fandre.com> On Wed, 17 Oct 2001, Jay Kline wrote: > Is this thing workie yet? > No. OK, maybe it is. Thanks to Bob for all his hard work. We'd be lost without him. -- Clay > Jay > > -- > Jay Kline > list@slushpupie.com > http://www.slushpupie.com > -- > After all, all he did was string together a lot of old, well-known quotations. > -- H.L. Mencken, on Shakespeare > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From doug at northlandstudios.com Wed Oct 17 22:55:21 2001 From: doug at northlandstudios.com (Doug) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Workie! In-Reply-To: <20011018021146.RRF29972.femail43.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> References: <20011018021146.RRF29972.femail43.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Message-ID: <1003374005.8336.0.camel@thor.valhalla> Yep! Whoo hoo!! On Wed, 2001-10-17 at 21:08, Jay Kline wrote: Is this thing workie yet? Jay -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- After all, all he did was string together a lot of old, well-known quotations. -- H.L. Mencken, on Shakespeare _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011017/7cbbcc42/attachment.htm From sos at zjod.net Wed Oct 17 23:01:25 2001 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] staroffice 6.0 In-Reply-To: from "Lorry" at Oct 11, 2001 07:46:23 PM Message-ID: <200110120244.f9C2ivG31933@zjod.net> Must be your box. I just downloaded and installed it from Sun's official source at "http://www.sun.com/software/star/staroffice/6.0beta/" I also downloaded and installed both Adabas and the Player [powerpoint replacement] and everthing worked just slick.) Suggest you check that you're not running out of space during the download. Hope this helps'idly, -S Lorry wrote: > > I tried to download staroffice 6.0, but when it gets about halfway > through my computer starts beeping frantically at me and won't shut up > until I stop the download. I've tried several times from different > sites and I get the same results. What does this mean? > > Thanks, > Lorry From tanner at real-time.com Wed Oct 17 23:04:38 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Got disk problems on the mail server Message-ID: <20011011222747.B24191@real-time.com> Looks like we got disk problems on the mail server. I hope this email gets out. Leaving to go check it out. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From esper at sherohman.org Wed Oct 17 23:07:40 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] staroffice 6.0 In-Reply-To: <3BC63D5F.5000702@slava.net>; from fish@slava.net on Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 07:46:23PM -0500 References: <3BC63D5F.5000702@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011011224842.A14576@sherohman.org> On Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 07:46:23PM -0500, Lorry wrote: > I tried to download staroffice 6.0, but when it gets about halfway > through my computer starts beeping frantically at me and won't shut up > until I stop the download. I've tried several times from different > sites and I get the same results. What does this mean? Never heard of anything like that... What are you downloading with? -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Mr. Slippery From thomas at stderr.net Wed Oct 17 23:16:14 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] staroffice 6.0 In-Reply-To: <3BCE42DA.8050603@slava.net>; from fish@slava.net on Wed, Oct 17, 2001 at 09:47:54PM -0500 References: <3BC63D5F.5000702@slava.net> <20011011210759.D5077@real-time.com> <3BCE42DA.8050603@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011018052106.C29139@io.stderr.net> On Wed, Oct 17, 2001 at 09:47:54PM -0500, Lorry wrote: > >how much free space do you have on the partition you're downloading files > >to? > > > good question... probably 2G but I honestly don't remember. Where do I > look for this info? df (-h) > >what tool are you using to download it? (netscape, mozilla, gdm, opera?) > > > It has been a few days, and my memory is like swiss cheese.... but I > *think* I used Netscape because mozilla won't let me go to secure sites > and I had to sign into sun.com to download it. I swear https worked in debian with 0.9.3, but now it just wont do anything at all :( -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Oct 17 23:19:50 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] staroffice 6.0 In-Reply-To: <3BCE42DA.8050603@slava.net> References: <3BC63D5F.5000702@slava.net> <20011011210759.D5077@real-time.com> <3BCE42DA.8050603@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011017223409.55720c80.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Lorry wrote: > > Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > > how much free space do you have on the partition you're downloading > > files to? > > > good question... probably 2G but I honestly don't remember. Where do I > look for this info? Took me forever to find this out when I started using Linux. To find free disk space, use `df' (disk free) To find used disk space, use `du' (disk used) Of course, consult man pages, etc... One note: on Linux, these utilities almost always report sizes in kilobyte chunks. On other Unix variants, sizes are often reported in filesystem blocks, which can range from 512 Bytes (maybe less) to 4kBytes and higher. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ It's a Mexican standoff. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Only we ain't got no \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) Mexicans. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Jay -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- After all, all he did was string together a lot of old, well-known quotations. -- H.L. Mencken, on Shakespeare _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dieman at ringworld.org Thu Oct 18 00:21:19 2001 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Meeting Message-ID: <20011017233732.B21768@ringworld.org> Someone said it would be cool if we all came up with little 15-minute or so presentations on tools that we use that others might not know about. Is there anyone out there that want to come up with little (5-30min at most) presentations to demonstrate or talk about something? I can probally arrange a machine to use at the meeting for ssh or I can possibly get a laptop for doing demos on. Let me know ASAP so I can figure out if there is demand for this. If not, I'll have to come up with a plan B and either round up people to talk about NIS, LDAP, or something. (Battle of the network directory protocols!) We do have the 'normal' eecs 3-180 room this month, however. :) (YES THE LIST IS BACK! YAY YAY YAY!) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From dieman at ringworld.org Thu Oct 18 00:59:29 2001 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (forw) [dean@linux.com: Re: Linux.com Live!] Message-ID: <20011014222838.S21884@ringworld.org> Might be worth your time if anyone needs some basic walkthrough help. ----- Forwarded message from Ben Collins ----- From: Ben Collins Subject: [dean@linux.com: Re: Linux.com Live!] Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 21:22:01 -0400 To: debian-project@lists.debian.org ... ----- Forwarded message from Dean Henrichsmeyer ----- From: Dean Henrichsmeyer To: Ben Collins Subject: Re: Linux.com Live! Oh, sorry, I left out an important point, it's all online, on IRC. Geographic location of the people is irrelevant. It happens in #live on OPN. We do it online, so those all over the world can follow along with an install and do it. Virtual install fest so to speak. Dean Ben Collins wrote: >On Sat, Oct 13, 2001 at 12:39:07PM -0500, Dean Henrichsmeyer wrote: > >>Hey Ben, >> >> We're having an install fest week at Linux.com. We're having various >>"live!" events where people will be walking through installs so those >>participating can install as we go. Do you have one or two people from >>the debian crew that would be interested and good at that? Install fest >>week is the week of October 22-26th. Anyway, let me know if you know of >>anyone. >> > >Where's it at? > > -- Dean Henrichsmeyer Director - Linux.com 510.687.6907 dean@linux.com ----- End forwarded message ----- -- .----------=======-=-======-=========-----------=====------------=-=-----. / Ben Collins -- Debian GNU/Linux \ ` bcollins@debian.org -- bcollins@openldap.org -- bcollins@linux.com ' `---=========------=======-------------=-=-----=-===-======-------=--=---' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-request@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@lists.debian.org ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net "History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." - Justice Thurgood Marshall (1989) From clarson at iaxs.net Thu Oct 18 03:16:10 2001 From: clarson at iaxs.net (Chester Larson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:30 2005 Subject: WatchGuard Fireboxes [Was: RE: [TCLUG] Content Filter] References: Message-ID: <002c01c153de$099cca40$c58486d1@default> From Chester, Is there a problem with the network? I havern't gotten any email for two days from TCLUG. I really miss the messages. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nate Carlson" To: Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 3:11 PM Subject: WatchGuard Fireboxes [Was: RE: [TCLUG] Content Filter] > On Mon, 8 Oct 2001, Churchill, Dan (MN65) wrote: > > I would be interested to know what "blown up" means, exactly. I > > wouldn't expect you to be able to kill a box completely except if you > > were trying to flash the ROM (which I have done with no problems). > > If you're just doing a configuration update, the worst you should have > > to do is put a crossover cable between two of the ethernet ports in a > > loopback type of configuration to default to a basic configuration. > > Yeah, blown up meaning killed the config. Not actually destroyed the > hardware. Had to go through the serial port and reconfig from scratch > (when I reloaded the config file that had caused problems, the exact same > thing happened.) I've had this happen on two different locations (both at > client sites with me doing the work remotely, of course); both times the > techs at WG basically said "it happens" and told me to start from scratch. > > I also can't stand their GUI configurator.. give me ssh, dang it! :) > > > > My recommendation is to avoid them like the plague.. > > > > That's fine. We're all entitled to our opinion. The only reason I > > mentioned the Firebox was that I've had good experiences with them, and they > > do have an automated method for getting current lists for blocking content > > inappropriate for the kiddies. > > Nice to hear that someone's managed to get the darn things working well. > > > I also agree with the person who felt that to have someone monitoring > > students at the computer is the only sure way to guarantee that no one is > > spending their class period in playboy or something worse. However, I am > > also aware that many schools are under the onus of needing to comply with > > state-mandated filtering of web content, and in my experience, the Firebox > > was and continues to be a choice with which the school I worked for is > > pleased. I cannot say the same for the SonicWall unit we tried. > > My personal recommendation would be Squid with the SmartFilter software > from Secure Computing, but that's just because one of my buddies is in > charge of that product. *grin* > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From florin at iucha.net Thu Oct 18 03:20:19 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Configure Errors In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20011011141747.00ac0050@127.0.0.1>; from PCZeilon@att.net on Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 02:17:47PM -0500 References: <5.0.2.1.0.20011011141747.00ac0050@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <20011012104004.A839@beaver.iucha.org> On Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 02:17:47PM -0500, Carl & Paula Zeilon wrote: > configure:4485: checking for libz > configure:4511: gcc -o conftest -O2 conftest.c -lz 1>&5 > configure:4504:17: zlib.h: No such file or directory > configure: failed program was: > #line 4502 "configure" > #include "confdefs.h" > > #include > > int main() { > return (zlibVersion() == ZLIB_VERSION); > ; return 0; } Aha! This is the one! Install zlib-dev or something similar. Cheers, florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011018/9af592a0/attachment.pgp From tanner at real-time.com Thu Oct 18 03:29:56 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "Best" rack mount case? Message-ID: <20011012012803.N13200@real-time.com> If anyone has worked with the Lian Li cases, you'll know what I'm talking about here. Are there any case as well designed and as sweet as the Lian Li cases but in a rack-mount flavor? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From fish at slava.net Thu Oct 18 03:59:30 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... References: Message-ID: <3BC703E6.8040900@slava.net> ...that I have determined that I am incapable of setting up anything other than Mozilla or Netscape mail. I've decided it is not worth putting this much time into it, because I am probably going to upgrade my Slackware anyway, so whatever lucky person/people help me with that can also help me configure my mail stuff. Since I never got my ghostscript problem resolved, and Slack8 comes with the version of gs I need anyway, and I have other various problems that a re-install or upgrade would fix, I figure I'll do it all at once. After that, maybe downloading staroffice 6 won't make my computer beep madly, maybe I can get wmMoonClock to work, and maybe I'll find a better web browser than Mozilla so I can get rid of it completely. BUT I do have a question in the meantime anyway. What would a day be without a question from me? :) I have to write a program in lisp, and I know that vim -l starts up vim in 'lisp mode'. But wtf is 'lisp mode'? I can't find an explanation of 'lisp mode' anywhere. As far as I can tell it means the cursor highlights the corresponding '(' when I type a ')', which is nice and all, but surely it does more than just that. Is there also an interpreter, or do I need to get one? I shouldn't have any other questions for a while, so enjoy this one while it lasts. ;) Lorry From Phillip.J.Crump at WellsFargo.COM Thu Oct 18 04:04:19 2001 From: Phillip.J.Crump at WellsFargo.COM (Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need trouble ticket tracking program/server Message-ID: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E06C4A720@msgmsp15.norwest.com> I believe that there is a project on Sourceforge.. > -----Original Message----- > From: Raymond Norton [SMTP:ray@lctn.k12.mn.us] > Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 7:04 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Need trouble ticket tracking program/server > > I have a school district with some students taking A+. I want to implement > a system where a ticket number is automatically assigned to each problem. > It would need to be something like Cisco or Onvoy uses, so we can track > the history and conclusion of each case. Is there something like this out > there for little or no cost? > > > Raymond Norton From wilson at visi.com Thu Oct 18 08:13:34 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] compiling your own Apache modules Message-ID: Hi everyone, I'd like to add a module to my Web server. It's the mod_proxy_add_forward module (available at http://develooper.com/code/mpaf/). I won't go into why I'd like to use this module. How hard is this to do? I'm running Debian w/ Apache 1.3.19. The apache site has some documentation about the DSO features. These apparently make it possible to make apache modules behave like shared libraries. I'm not a C programmer, so I get over my head fast on this stuff. I know this isn't the only way to add a module to your system. What do I have to do to add a tiny little module to my Web server? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From thomas at stderr.net Thu Oct 18 08:33:09 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] compiling your own Apache modules In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Fri, Oct 12, 2001 at 10:43:46AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20011018145324.B36238@io.stderr.net> On Fri, Oct 12, 2001 at 10:43:46AM -0500, Timothy Wilson wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'd like to add a module to my Web server. It's the mod_proxy_add_forward > module (available at http://develooper.com/code/mpaf/). I won't go into why > I'd like to use this module. > > How hard is this to do? I'm running Debian w/ Apache 1.3.19. > > The apache site has some documentation about the DSO features. These > apparently make it possible to make apache modules behave like shared > libraries. I'm not a C programmer, so I get over my head fast on this stuff. > > I know this isn't the only way to add a module to your system. What do I > have to do to add a tiny little module to my Web server? apxs -c mod_proxy_add_forward.c I have a direct oposite of mod_proxy_add_forward out, it's called (tada) mod_rpaf (reverse proxy add forward) and you can find it on: http://stderr.net/apache/rpaf/ -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Thu Oct 18 08:37:21 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] compiling your own Apache modules In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Fri, Oct 12, 2001 at 10:43:46AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20011018075804.A19552@trammell.dyndns.org> On Fri, Oct 12, 2001 at 10:43:46AM -0500, Timothy Wilson wrote: > > I'd like to add a module to my Web server. It's the mod_proxy_add_forward > module (available at http://develooper.com/code/mpaf/). I won't go into why > I'd like to use this module. > > How hard is this to do? I'm running Debian w/ Apache 1.3.19. I can't claim knowledge of that specific module, but I got PHP installed earlier this week from scratch, in about an hour. And that included locating the tarball, downloading, reading the docs, building, and installing. I'm still tweaking the config though. :-) -- johntrammell@yahoo.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 240 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011018/c0b405ba/attachment.pgp From tanner at real-time.com Thu Oct 18 08:42:29 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rise and walk! I say RISE and WALK! Message-ID: <20011016230940.A5664@real-time.com> List server is back from the dead, but like all zombies it's having a hard time adjusting to the mortal realm. First, I really want to do lots of testing because I don't want any posts to be lists. Second, I'm going to disable outgoing mail queues so the box can dedicate all resources to slurping up the MX held mail. I'm thinking we will be back online late Wed Oct 17th. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu Oct 18 08:44:54 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Message from the CDC regarding anthrax Message-ID: Update: Public Health Message Regarding Anthrax October 12, 2001 * Preliminary testing done at CDC along with clinical diagnosis indicates that an employee who works on the third floor at 30 Rockefeller Plaza has developed cutaneous anthrax, a bacterial infection of the skin. The source of the anthrax exposure is still being investigated, but it is possible that it may have occurred when an envelope was opened on September 25, 2001 that may have contained material contaminated with the spore-form of anthrax. The employee developed a skin infection and was seen by an infectious disease specialist who suspected cutaneous anthrax. The patient has been treated with antibiotics and is doing well. * Although test results are normally not released to the public until there is confirmation, these preliminary results are being released given the current circumstances. * Anthrax is not contagious from one person to another. * Cutaneous (skin) anthrax is different from inhalation anthrax, which is the type of anthrax that resulted in the death of one person in Palm Beach County, Florida. A cutaneous infection due to anthrax can occur if the spores are in contact with an area of skin that is not intact, such as a cut or sore. Cutaneous anthrax is marked by a boil-like lesion that eventually forms an ulcer with a black center. The cutaneous form responds well to antibiotics if treatment is started soon after symptoms appear, such as in this case. * Selected areas of 30 Rockefeller Plaza have been closed, and environmental samples are being taken. * The risk of exposure is greatest for the few people who handled the letter after it was opened, or those in the immediate area at the time the envelope was opened. Nevertheless, as a precaution, all people who worked on the third floor will be given antibiotics. * CDC is supplementing a New York City Health Department team of epidemiologists investigating the case. CDC has provided personnel and is supporting New York with laboratory assistance and antibiotics, if needed. * For more information regarding public health actions being taken in New York City, press can contact the NY City Health Department by calling 212-295-5335/5336. The public can call 1-877-817-7621 or visit nyc.gov/health. * To contact CDC, call 404-639-3286. * For information about how to handle suspicious mail, see the US Postal Service website at: www.usps.com/news/2001/press/pr01_1010tips.htm From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Thu Oct 18 08:47:19 2001 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] a quiet silence filled the room In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20011011120135.00ab9380@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: Hey is anyone out there or is tclug down? Colin Kilbane From tmechanic at mn.mediaone.net Thu Oct 18 08:49:40 2001 From: tmechanic at mn.mediaone.net (B T) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hello? Message-ID: <3BCCDCC6.21BC3AF@mn.mediaone.net> Is everyone sick or is the list serve down. From sraun at fireopal.org Thu Oct 18 08:52:05 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DNS Failures Message-ID: <20011015194240.A12057@iaxs.net> Oh, it was apparently a lovely weekend. Sometime over the weekend, Time To Live on my DNS entries started to go. And my primary DNS server - who had had a partition failure last Sunday / Monday and lost my information - didn't know where to find me. It's fixed now. But if you've been getting bounces trying to send me e-mail, that's why! -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From npt at visi.com Thu Oct 18 08:54:23 2001 From: npt at visi.com (nick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] is something wrong with the list? In-Reply-To: <3BC63D5F.5000702@slava.net> Message-ID: i haven't received anything since the 11th.. nick From dd-b at dd-b.net Thu Oct 18 08:56:42 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bastion host project... In-Reply-To: <20011008220110.16D284567@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> References: <20011008220110.16D284567@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) writes: > Actually, size of box really depends on what you want to do feature-wise. If > the job of the box is just to relay mail you don't need much of a box at all. > A 486 can sit on a public IP and relay mail just fine. Yeah, the sizes of some of the boxes described strike me as grotesque overkill on the assumption that simple relaying is what's wanted. Rather than a full-featured MTA, wouldn't it be better to use one of the security-oriented mail-relay packages oriented towards living in DMZs and just doing relaying? -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / Ghugle: the Fannish Ghod of Queries Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From tanner at real-time.com Thu Oct 18 08:59:10 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Archives back-online Message-ID: <20011017031557.E12604@real-time.com> I got the web archives back-online. I'm still testing the sendmail config. I hate this slow link! -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From thomas at stderr.net Thu Oct 18 09:03:58 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] compiling your own Apache modules In-Reply-To: <20011018145324.B36238@io.stderr.net>; from thomas@stderr.net on Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 02:53:24PM +0200 References: <20011018145324.B36238@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20011018151451.E36238@io.stderr.net> On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 02:53:24PM +0200, Thomas Eibner wrote: > On Fri, Oct 12, 2001 at 10:43:46AM -0500, Timothy Wilson wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > I'd like to add a module to my Web server. It's the mod_proxy_add_forward > > module (available at http://develooper.com/code/mpaf/). I won't go into why > > I'd like to use this module. > > > > How hard is this to do? I'm running Debian w/ Apache 1.3.19. > > > > The apache site has some documentation about the DSO features. These > > apparently make it possible to make apache modules behave like shared > > libraries. I'm not a C programmer, so I get over my head fast on this stuff. > > > > I know this isn't the only way to add a module to your system. What do I > > have to do to add a tiny little module to my Web server? > > apxs -c mod_proxy_add_forward.c That is of course if you have mod_so enabled in your Apache.. Otherwise you will have to recompile the module and enable it in the configure phase. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From sraun at fireopal.org Thu Oct 18 09:10:54 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Broken (?) Debian xlibs package Message-ID: <20011013103546.A23251@iaxs.net> I'm trying to do an apt-get upgrade, and xlibs-4.1.0-6_i386.deb is breaking on me. Specifically: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibs-4.1.0-6_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite '/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults', which is also in package xmh Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibs-4.1.0-6_i386.deb E: sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) I've tried doing an apt-get -f install, same problem. Now what? -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From dd-b at dd-b.net Thu Oct 18 09:13:19 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 7.2 default bootloader = GRUB In-Reply-To: <20011009002634.B1546@assimilated.org> References: <20011008231202.F31097@real-time.com> <20011009002634.B1546@assimilated.org> Message-ID: Tim Lupfer writes: > >>>>> Bob Tanner wrote on Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 11:12:02PM -0500: > > > With RH 7.2, the default bootloader is GRUB, anyone care to enlighten me on why > > the switch? > > I have no idea why redhat made the switch, but I've been using grub > for a while now and I really like it for the following reason 1.) > cute menu 2.) Works well on disks that with lilo would hang with > "LI" 3.) no need to be rerun anytime the menu list is changed. "Cute menu"? Is it a graphics-mode menu? I had to disable RedHat trying to handle the lilo prompt that way recently in 7.1, I remember. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / Ghugle: the Fannish Ghod of Queries Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From chuck at redroot.org Thu Oct 18 09:15:40 2001 From: chuck at redroot.org (Chuck Milam) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.2 Update In-Reply-To: <20011008230956.E31097@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Oct 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > I'm hearing Oct 15th for the official release date. So, at midnight tonight? ;-) From blayer at qwest.net Thu Oct 18 09:18:49 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ping Message-ID: <20011017093751.625c5506.blayer@qwest.net> ping! -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From dsherman at real-time.com Thu Oct 18 09:21:26 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] list dead? Message-ID: <1003236763.3844.12.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> I just realized I haven't seen a single message since Saturday or thereabouts. Is anyone receiving this message? (For that matter, am I going to receive it?) Dave From simeonuj at eetc.com Thu Oct 18 09:23:45 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mn-linux mailman problems... Message-ID: I can't log into mailman.mn-linux.org. Can't connect from here. Anyone else have a problem? I'm trying to change my email address i.e. unsubscribe and resubscribe. Yo RT... What gives? sim From dd-b at dd-b.net Thu Oct 18 09:26:04 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: 7.2 default bootloader = GRUB In-Reply-To: <20011009142541.B21884@ringworld.org> References: <20011008231202.F31097@real-time.com> <20011009142541.B21884@ringworld.org> Message-ID: Scott Dier writes: > * Bob Tanner [011008 23:13]: > > With RH 7.2, the default bootloader is GRUB, anyone care to enlighten me on why > > the switch? > > I've been using grub for months on over a hundred machines? :) If that's the reason, then certainly you should be able to enlighten us more on *why* it's good. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / Ghugle: the Fannish Ghod of Queries Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From uak at nerp.net Thu Oct 18 09:28:33 2001 From: uak at nerp.net (Ursula A. Kallio) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ping Message-ID: Anyone home? uak From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Oct 18 09:30:56 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDE 3.0 suggested feature Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDFC4@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> I'm waiting for my approval emaill from the kde3alpha mailing list, but in the meantime, I'll post here what I intend to post to that list in hopes that someone here is a KDE developer and can suggest or implement this in the community. The new version of QT adds hardware accelerated alpha channel support. Since KDE3 will use the latest version of QT, would it be possible to place a slider on the title bar of every application which would allow one to change the app from 0-100% opacity? That way, I can sit and browse sites with a semi-transparent konqueror, and still watch what is going on in windows behind it. A mod like this would be sweet eye-candy, but also quite useful from a productivity standpoint (since I routinely have about 20 windows open, or more). Thoughts? Jay From gmcdavid at winternet.com Thu Oct 18 09:34:20 2001 From: gmcdavid at winternet.com (Glenn McDavid) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... In-Reply-To: <3BC703E6.8040900@slava.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Oct 2001, Lorry wrote: > I have to write a program in lisp, and I know that vim -l starts up vim > in 'lisp mode'. But wtf is 'lisp mode'? I can't find an explanation of > 'lisp mode' anywhere. As far as I can tell it means the cursor > highlights the corresponding '(' when I type a ')', which is nice and > all, but surely it does more than just that. From jay at slushpupie.com Thu Oct 18 09:41:06 2001 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] is something wrong with the list? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011018134743.SISI25699.femail40.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Well, the mail server went down a little while ago.. but it seems to be back up now. Jay On Tuesday 16 October 2001 12:35 pm, you wrote: > i haven't received anything since the 11th.. > > nick > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- "Not Hercules could have knock'd out his brains, for he had none." -- Shakespeare From hvidsl at parknicollet.com Thu Oct 18 09:48:50 2001 From: hvidsl at parknicollet.com (Hvidsten, Leif) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] staroffice 6.0 Message-ID: On SCO-UNIX, for example, you need to add a -k parameter to get sizes in kilobyte chunks. > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Hicks [mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 10:34 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] staroffice 6.0 > > > Lorry wrote: > > > > Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > > > > how much free space do you have on the partition you're > downloading > > > files to? > > > > > good question... probably 2G but I honestly don't remember. > Where do I > > look for this info? > > Took me forever to find this out when I started using Linux. > > To find free disk space, use `df' (disk free) > To find used disk space, use `du' (disk used) > > Of course, consult man pages, etc... One note: on Linux, > these utilities > almost always report sizes in kilobyte chunks. On other Unix > variants, > sizes are often reported in filesystem blocks, which can > range from 512 > Bytes (maybe less) to 4kBytes and higher. > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ It's a Mexican standoff. > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Only we ain't got no > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) Mexicans. > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | > mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > PRIVACY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain business confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If this e-mail was not intended for you, please notify the sender by reply e-mail that you received this in error. Destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. From tanner at real-time.com Thu Oct 18 09:52:06 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Status update Message-ID: <20011016224008.Y5664@real-time.com> Well, the tape drive would not read tapes, so it was more jumping through hopes. But we got the box installed. Just need to configure it. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From amy at real-time.com Thu Oct 18 09:54:35 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need trouble ticket tracking program/server In-Reply-To: <0ed801c152b1$56d76410$0238dccc@hutchtel.net>; from ray@lctn.k12.mn.us on Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 07:03:35PM -0500 References: <0ed801c152b1$56d76410$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> Message-ID: <20011012085221.T17419@real-time.com> On Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 07:03:35PM -0500, Raymond Norton (ray@lctn.k12.mn.us) wrote: > I have a school district with some students taking A+. I want to implement a system where a ticket number is automatically assigned to each problem. It would need to be something like Cisco or Onvoy uses, so we can track the history and conclusion of each case. Is there something like this out there for little or no cost? I'm a big fan of keystone. It's web-based with an email interface. Search freshmeat for it. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From simeonuj at eetc.com Thu Oct 18 09:57:02 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Configure Errors In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20011011120135.00ab9380@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: on 10/11/01 12:11 PM, Carl & Paula Zeilon at PCZeilon@att.net wrote: > I'm trying to install a program from source code. In running "configure", > I get error messages about confdefs.h I assume this is because there is > no such file in my system. Anybody know what package to install to get > this file? Mandrake 8.0 This kind of problem always happens to me. Is > there any easy way to locate these kinds of required files without always > posting? First of all find out if what that particular package needs and any known problems w/ compiling. You should try to find the file in your system... "locate confdefs.h" "find / -name "confdef.h" -print I also run into problems sometimes w/ the kernel symlinks. If these are not created it causes problems w/ some source code. Hasn't happend to me since RH 6.2 but I always make sure my kernels are symlinked. Goto the kernel directory and run "make symlinks". Should work... After that It's a matter of finding what packages you need. Maybe that particular package is simply configured incorrectly... Knowing what package you are trying to install may be a big help here also. sim From chuck at redroot.org Thu Oct 18 09:59:28 2001 From: chuck at redroot.org (Chuck Milam) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Red Hat 7.2 Message-ID: Am I the only one chomping at the bit to get at Red Hat 7.2? From ray at lctn.k12.mn.us Thu Oct 18 10:02:02 2001 From: ray at lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] XF86Config Message-ID: <0f6801c1535c$e2bf77a0$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> I was careless answering the questions in XF86Config. Now it gives me errors and will not start with startx. How can I go back to a working config file and start over so the info is generic. Raymond Norton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011018/74c3e39e/attachment.htm From fish at slava.net Thu Oct 18 10:07:11 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] staroffice 6.0 References: <3BC63D5F.5000702@slava.net> <20011011210759.D5077@real-time.com> <3BCE42DA.8050603@slava.net> <20011017223409.55720c80.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3BCEE2D2.7020006@slava.net> Well I think we are onto something here! I'll try it on another partition. Thanks! Mike Hicks wrote: >To find free disk space, use `df' (disk free) >To find used disk space, use `du' (disk used) > From veldy at veldy.net Thu Oct 18 10:12:24 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mn-linux mailman problems... References: Message-ID: <002a01c157df$50226740$3028680a@tgt.com> No problem here. Do you have https access (443)? Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simeon Johnston" To: "tclug" Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 2:06 PM Subject: [TCLUG] mn-linux mailman problems... > I can't log into mailman.mn-linux.org. Can't connect from here. > Anyone else have a problem? > > I'm trying to change my email address i.e. unsubscribe and resubscribe. > Yo RT... What gives? > > sim > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From fish at slava.net Thu Oct 18 10:14:45 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... References: Message-ID: <3BCEE37E.2070501@slava.net> Glenn McDavid wrote: >http://www.vim.org/html/options.html#'lisp' > >has more information. > Yay! Thank you! >IIRC, you are using Slackware 7.1. I think there was a Lisp interpreter >included with it. There is one in Slack 8.0. > You do remember correctly (although I've had about 10 people in the last week tell me I should get another distro). Thanks, I'm searching now. Lorry From florin at iucha.net Thu Oct 18 10:19:43 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] staroffice 6.0 In-Reply-To: <20011017223409.55720c80.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Wed, Oct 17, 2001 at 10:34:09PM -0500 References: <3BC63D5F.5000702@slava.net> <20011011210759.D5077@real-time.com> <3BCE42DA.8050603@slava.net> <20011017223409.55720c80.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011018092049.A13227@beaver.iucha.org> On Wed, Oct 17, 2001 at 10:34:09PM -0500, Mike Hicks wrote: > Took me forever to find this out when I started using Linux. > > To find free disk space, use `df' (disk free) > To find used disk space, use `du' (disk used) > > Of course, consult man pages, etc... One note: on Linux, these utilities > almost always report sizes in kilobyte chunks. On other Unix variants, > sizes are often reported in filesystem blocks, which can range from 512 > Bytes (maybe less) to 4kBytes and higher. -k is your friend here florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011018/0ebf0b15/attachment.pgp From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Oct 18 10:23:07 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] compiling your own Apache modules In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011018091912.B17220@wookimus.net> On Fri, Oct 12, 2001 at 10:43:46AM -0500, Timothy Wilson wrote: > I'd like to add a module to my Web server. It's the > mod_proxy_add_forward module (available at > http://develooper.com/code/mpaf/). I won't go into why I'd like to use > this module. Package: libapache-mod-proxy-add-forward Priority: extra Section: web Installed-Size: 68 Maintainer: Piotr Roszatycki Architecture: i386 Version: 0.20010201-2 Depends: apache-common (>= 1.3.19-1), libc6 (>= 2.2.2-2) Filename: pool/main/liba/libapache-mod-proxy-add-forward/libapache-mod-proxy-add-forward_0.20010201-2_i386.deb Size: 5050 MD5sum: c52da7e0cf19e7f61a7a865dd9b7d520 Description: Module for Apache which includes 'X-Forwarded-For' header This module adds a 'X-Forwarded-For' header to outgoing proxy requests like Squid does. . You can then get the client IP back on the proxied host by setting r->connection->remote_ip from this header. It's very useful for the common lightweight frontend/heavy backend mod_perl setup. Origin: Debian Is that's what you're talking about?? -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011018/ac84d097/attachment.pgp From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Oct 18 10:28:57 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Status update In-Reply-To: <20011016224008.Y5664@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Oct 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Well, the tape drive would not read tapes, so it was more jumping through hopes. > But we got the box installed. Just need to configure it. How much mail is still queued up? It seems like old posts are trickling into the new posts, I imagine my mailbox will be quite plump today. -Brian From nate at techie.com Thu Oct 18 10:32:57 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... In-Reply-To: <3BC703E6.8040900@slava.net>; from fish@slava.net on Fri, Oct 12, 2001 at 09:53:26AM -0500 References: <3BC703E6.8040900@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011018093214.A8112@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Fri, Oct 12, 2001 at 09:53:26AM -0500, Lorry wrote: > I have to write a program in lisp, and I know that vim -l starts up vim > in 'lisp mode'. But wtf is 'lisp mode'? You need to learn about the built-in help in ViM. Type ":help lisp" to get help on the lisp option in ViM. The built-in help in ViM is quite extensive. Check out these help topics: make tags folding python perl howto Nate From erikh at headwaterssoftware.com Thu Oct 18 10:37:47 2001 From: erikh at headwaterssoftware.com (Erik Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.2 Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, it is not out yet, anyone have any other info on it? -Erik -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Chuck Milam Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 11:58 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] RH 7.2 Update On Mon, 8 Oct 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > I'm hearing Oct 15th for the official release date. So, at midnight tonight? ;-) _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.282 / Virus Database: 150 - Release Date: 9/25/2001 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.282 / Virus Database: 150 - Release Date: 9/25/2001 From jay at slushpupie.com Thu Oct 18 10:42:12 2001 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ASP on Linux Message-ID: <20011018144208.XBZL27641.femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> I might have the opptrutunity to swtich 15+ NT web servers over to Linux/Unix, but the requirement is whatever it is, it needs to be able to run ASP scripts. I have been doing a little looking, and found 3 products that do this: Apache::ASP Chili!Soft ASP Halcyon Software iASP As the first is free, that would be my first choice, but I dont know how well it supports ASP. The second two are $495/cpu, which may be an expensive endevor, but if things run efficiently, not all 15 servers may be needed. As far as I know, there are no custom ActiveX or COM objects, but they may be out there. Has anyone had any experience with these? Jay -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- Q: What's the difference between the 1950's and the 1980's? A: In the 80's, a man walks into a drugstore and states loudly, "I'd like some condoms," and then, leaning over the counter, whispers, "and some cigarettes." From fish at slava.net Thu Oct 18 10:48:05 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mn-linux mailman problems... References: <002a01c157df$50226740$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <3BCEEB22.7040200@slava.net> I couldn't log in a few days ago either. I think it's been solved though... Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: >No problem here. Do you have https access (443)? > >Tom Veldhouse >veldy@veldy.net > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Simeon Johnston" >To: "tclug" >Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 2:06 PM >Subject: [TCLUG] mn-linux mailman problems... > > >>I can't log into mailman.mn-linux.org. Can't connect from here. >>Anyone else have a problem? >> >>I'm trying to change my email address i.e. unsubscribe and resubscribe. >>Yo RT... What gives? >> >>sim >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, >> >Minnesota > >>http://www.mn-linux.org >>tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From matthew at redroot.org Thu Oct 18 10:50:18 2001 From: matthew at redroot.org (matthew@redroot.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Red Hat 7.2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Nope... well you know me! Any word on whether 7.2 will include a stable s390 distro? I am chomping at the bit for that! mcd On Tue, 16 Oct 2001, Chuck Milam wrote: > > Am I the only one chomping at the bit to get at Red Hat 7.2? > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Oct 18 10:54:52 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] list dead? In-Reply-To: <1003236763.3844.12.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org>; from dsherman@real-time.com on Tue, Oct 16, 2001 at 07:52:27AM -0500 References: <1003236763.3844.12.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> Message-ID: <20011018095627.A661@chuck.sistina.com> On Tue, Oct 16, 2001 at 07:52:27AM -0500, Dave Sherman wrote: >I just realized I haven't seen a single message since Saturday or >thereabouts. Is anyone receiving this message? No. >(For that matter, am I going to receive it?) No. This message doesn't exist. It's a figment of your imagination. We control the vertical the horizontal. > >Dave > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011018/39d24b3b/attachment.pgp From Phillip.J.Crump at WellsFargo.COM Thu Oct 18 10:57:10 2001 From: Phillip.J.Crump at WellsFargo.COM (Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "Best" rack mount case? Message-ID: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E06C4B152@msgmsp15.norwest.com> I just built a computer with one of their aluminum cases.. It's killer... Not sure of any rackmount stuff for them though.. > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Tanner [SMTP:tanner@real-time.com] > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 1:28 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] "Best" rack mount case? > > If anyone has worked with the Lian Li cases, you'll know what I'm talking > about > here. > > Are there any case as well designed and as sweet as the Lian Li cases but > in a > rack-mount flavor? > > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Oct 18 11:02:29 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... In-Reply-To: <3BC703E6.8040900@slava.net>; from fish@slava.net on Fri, Oct 12, 2001 at 09:53:26AM -0500 References: <3BC703E6.8040900@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011018100228.B661@chuck.sistina.com> On Fri, Oct 12, 2001 at 09:53:26AM -0500, Lorry wrote: >...that I have determined that I am incapable of setting up anything >other than Mozilla or Netscape mail. >I've decided it is not worth putting this much time into it, because I >am probably going to upgrade my Slackware anyway, so whatever lucky >person/people help me with that can also help me configure my mail >stuff. Since I never got my ghostscript problem resolved, and Slack8 >comes with the version of gs I need anyway, and I have other various >problems that a re-install or upgrade would fix, I figure I'll do it all >at once. After that, maybe downloading staroffice 6 won't make my >computer beep madly, maybe I can get wmMoonClock to work, and maybe I'll >find a better web browser than Mozilla so I can get rid of it completely. There isn't a better browser than mozilla. Sorry. > >BUT I do have a question in the meantime anyway. What would a day be >without a question from me? :) >I have to write a program in lisp, and I know that vim -l starts up vim >in 'lisp mode'. But wtf is 'lisp mode'? Basically it does syntax highlighing for lisp. There are other features to the mode I believe, but that the only one I know of. >I can't find an explanation of >'lisp mode' anywhere. As far as I can tell it means the cursor >highlights the corresponding '(' when I type a ')', which is nice and >all, but surely it does more than just that. Is there also an >interpreter, or do I need to get one? > >I shouldn't have any other questions for a while, so enjoy this one >while it lasts. ;) > >Lorry > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011018/f57a2566/attachment.pgp From wilson at visi.com Thu Oct 18 11:07:51 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] compiling your own Apache modules In-Reply-To: <20011018091912.B17220@wookimus.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > On Fri, Oct 12, 2001 at 10:43:46AM -0500, Timothy Wilson wrote: > > I'd like to add a module to my Web server. It's the > > mod_proxy_add_forward module (available at > > http://develooper.com/code/mpaf/). I won't go into why I'd like to use > > this module. > > Package: libapache-mod-proxy-add-forward (additional details snipped) > Is that's what you're talking about?? I believe it is. Funny, I searched for a Debian package originally, but came up empty. Thanks Chewie. I'll give this a try. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From florin at iucha.net Thu Oct 18 11:11:09 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] XF86Config In-Reply-To: <0f6801c1535c$e2bf77a0$0238dccc@hutchtel.net>; from ray@lctn.k12.mn.us on Fri, Oct 12, 2001 at 03:31:34PM -0500 References: <0f6801c1535c$e2bf77a0$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> Message-ID: <20011018101019.B13227@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Oct 12, 2001 at 03:31:34PM -0500, Raymond Norton wrote: > I was careless answering the questions in XF86Config. Now it gives me errors and will not start with startx. How can I go back to a working config file and start over so the info is generic. > 1. xf86config 2. If you are running XFree86 v4.0.x or later: As root, run XFree86 -configure This will generate a reasonable config file you can copy in /etc/X11/XF86Config after you edit it. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Looks like you missed the procmail presentation, and you really need it... florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011018/76a5c7fb/attachment.pgp From rudie at sihope.com Thu Oct 18 11:18:39 2001 From: rudie at sihope.com (K Hinze) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Red Hat 7.2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011018101611.54685c6f.rudie@sihope.com> On Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:32:17 -0500 (CDT) Chuck Milam wrote: > > Am I the only one chomping at the bit to get at Red Hat 7.2? Ummm...... NO heheh.. > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blayer at qwest.net Thu Oct 18 11:22:25 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] XF86Config In-Reply-To: <0f6801c1535c$e2bf77a0$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> References: <0f6801c1535c$e2bf77a0$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> Message-ID: <20011018111813.10ccecd6.blayer@qwest.net> On Fri, 12 Oct 2001 15:31:34 -0500 "Raymond Norton" wrote: > I was careless answering the questions in XF86Config. Now it gives me errors and will not start with startx. How can I go back to a working config file and start over so the info is generic. (as root) rm /etc/X11/XF86Config and re-run xf86config. Bill From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Oct 18 11:24:40 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need trouble ticket tracking program/server In-Reply-To: <002501c152b5$5fcb4600$2a0b800a@xtratyme.com> References: <0ed801c152b1$56d76410$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> <20011011192325.A29755@visi.com> <002501c152b5$5fcb4600$2a0b800a@xtratyme.com> Message-ID: <20011018101934.G17220@wookimus.net> On Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 07:32:28PM -0500, Michael James Mimbach II wrote: > There is lots of packages available Ray. Check out phpgroupware, > bugin, gcdb, keystone. Let's not forget gnats and it's web-interface gnatsweb.pl! ;-) Very cool, very customizable, very C. You can manage the problem tracking entirely from email if you want. I'm implementing this for the IMA department at the U. Mimbach's bugtracker is very customized toward his needs as an ISP manager, but it's pretty cool. 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011018/27c8ee23/attachment.pgp From thomas at stderr.net Thu Oct 18 11:29:13 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ASP on Linux In-Reply-To: <20011018144208.XBZL27641.femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there>; from jay@slushpupie.com on Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 09:38:23AM -0500 References: <20011018144208.XBZL27641.femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Message-ID: <20011018172645.G36238@io.stderr.net> On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 09:38:23AM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > I might have the opptrutunity to swtich 15+ NT web servers over to > Linux/Unix, but the requirement is whatever it is, it needs to be able to run > ASP scripts. I have been doing a little looking, and found 3 products that do > this: > > Apache::ASP > Chili!Soft ASP > Halcyon Software iASP > > As the first is free, that would be my first choice, but I dont know how well > it supports ASP. The second two are $495/cpu, which may be an expensive > endevor, but if things run efficiently, not all 15 servers may be needed. As > far as I know, there are no custom ActiveX or COM objects, but they may be > out there. Has anyone had any experience with these? Apache::ASP uses Perl as it's scripting language, so you might not be able to run your current scripts without modyfying them. Chilisoft's ASP: step away from that product and put your hands up in the air! (No kidding) Search for chilisoft on bugtraq.. and they really haven't been fast at getting bugfixes out either. I haven't heard anything about Halcyon's implementation and I haven't really had anything to do with ASP either, so these are just observations I've made from various people and mailinglists :-) -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Oct 18 11:31:32 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Red Hat 7.2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Oct 2001 matthew@redroot.org wrote: > Nope... well you know me! > > Any word on whether 7.2 will include a stable s390 distro? I am chomping > at the bit for that! Are there any out of the box s390 distros out there? I don't have an s390 nor do I plan on it anytime soon I'd be impressed if someone was packaging a distro for it. -Brian From blayer at qwest.net Thu Oct 18 11:36:13 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bitchin' 'bout beermeetin' Message-ID: <20011018112857.0094fd91.blayer@qwest.net> Does a downed list constitute sufficient cause to reschedule a beermeeting? Shall we improvise and have one anyway? How about the Dubliner Pub, on University & Cretin / Vandalia.. No food, but good beers, decent scotch selection and maybe even a little Irish music. If there is a different venue preferred, say so. If we can get half a dozen 'yesses', let's do it... Bill From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Thu Oct 18 11:42:04 2001 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... [lisp interpreter] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If you want a solid lisp compiler and interpreter, you can get a free personal copy of the Franz common lisp compiler at www.franz.com Alternatively, you could look into the CMU Common Lisp compiler, that's moved to somewhere on Sourceforge, IIRC. Should be findable through freshmeat. r From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Oct 18 11:50:04 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Status update In-Reply-To: <20011018101137.C13227@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > Looks like you missed the procmail presentation, and you really need it... I already use procmail for dumping LUG mail to its own folder. Unless you know of a filter that can process my e-mail and decide if it's worth reading or not, then decide if it's worth keeping. THAT would be cool. For instance, if a message conatained a question I had an answer to, it would flag it as priority. If the message contained meaningless drivel, it deletes it. AFAIK there's no AI module for procmail yet.. :-) -Brian From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Oct 18 11:54:46 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Red Hat 7.2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011018110827.E21768@ringworld.org> * Brian [011018 11:02]: > Are there any out of the box s390 distros out there? I don't have an s390 ftp://linux390.linuxkorea.co.kr/caiman Looks like a package set of some debian stuff to get a s390 bootstrapped. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From fish at slava.net Thu Oct 18 11:59:23 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... References: <3BC703E6.8040900@slava.net> <20011018100228.B661@chuck.sistina.com> Message-ID: <3BCEF760.6060708@slava.net> Ben Lutgens wrote: >There isn't a better browser than mozilla. Sorry. > I do not believe you. Considering I can't go to any secure sites, and considering it is slower than molasses going uphill, I do not believe someone hasn't done a better job. If I have to I will go back to netscape. At least then I can go to secure sites again. From natecars at real-time.com Thu Oct 18 12:01:45 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Status update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Brian wrote: > How much mail is still queued up? It seems like old posts are trickling > into the new posts, I imagine my mailbox will be quite plump today. You REALLY don't want to know. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jay at slushpupie.com Thu Oct 18 12:04:32 2001 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDE 3.0 suggested feature In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDFC4@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDFC4@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011018143333.YWYZ15917.femail19.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Sounds like an interesting concept.. my only worry is what sort of memory requirements it would have to really be useful.. The "transparent" Xterms work so-so on my system, but it seems to hog a little video memory to do it.. would this work the same way? Jay On Monday 15 October 2001 11:58 am, you wrote: > I'm waiting for my approval emaill from the kde3alpha mailing list, but in > the meantime, I'll post here what I intend to post to that list in hopes > that someone here is a KDE developer and can suggest or implement this in > the community. > > The new version of QT adds hardware accelerated alpha channel support. > Since KDE3 will use the latest version of QT, would it be possible to place > a slider on the title bar of every application which would allow one to > change the app from 0-100% opacity? That way, I can sit and browse sites > with a semi-transparent konqueror, and still watch what is going on in > windows behind it. A mod like this would be sweet eye-candy, but also > quite useful from a productivity standpoint (since I routinely have about > 20 windows open, or more). > > Thoughts? > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- I reverently believe that the maker who made us all makes everything in New England, but the weather. I don't know who makes that, but I think it must be raw apprentices in the weather-clerks factory who experiment and learn how, in New England, for board and clothes, and then are promoted to make weather for countries that require a good article, and will take their custom elsewhere if they don't get it. -- Mark Twain From jacque at fruitioninc.com Thu Oct 18 12:13:16 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bitchin' 'bout beermeetin' In-Reply-To: <20011018112857.0094fd91.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: Yeah I'm down with that. I edited the page before I realized the list was werkin'. Where do you want to get together? I'd like to meet at a place with food, tho. ~j > > Does a downed list constitute sufficient cause to reschedule a > beermeeting? > > Shall we improvise and have one anyway? How about the Dubliner > Pub, on University & Cretin / Vandalia.. No food, but good beers, > decent scotch selection and maybe even a little Irish music. If > there is a different venue preferred, say so. > > If we can get half a dozen 'yesses', let's do it... > > Bill > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Oct 18 12:16:06 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDFEF@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> http://www.coolermaster.com/products/atc/atc400.html Also, Antec has a case called the SX1030B. The company that actually makes that case makes some sweet rackmount stuff, however, I forgot the name of the company that really makes it. Do a search on google or something. If you find it, post the link to the companies site here, they have some sweet stuff on their site. > -----Original Message----- > From: Lorry [mailto:fish@slava.net] > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 9:53 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... > > > ...that I have determined that I am incapable of setting up anything > other than Mozilla or Netscape mail. > I've decided it is not worth putting this much time into it, > because I > am probably going to upgrade my Slackware anyway, so whatever lucky > person/people help me with that can also help me configure my mail > stuff. Since I never got my ghostscript problem resolved, and Slack8 > comes with the version of gs I need anyway, and I have other various > problems that a re-install or upgrade would fix, I figure > I'll do it all > at once. After that, maybe downloading staroffice 6 won't make my > computer beep madly, maybe I can get wmMoonClock to work, and > maybe I'll > find a better web browser than Mozilla so I can get rid of it > completely. > > BUT I do have a question in the meantime anyway. What would a day be > without a question from me? :) > I have to write a program in lisp, and I know that vim -l > starts up vim > in 'lisp mode'. But wtf is 'lisp mode'? I can't find an > explanation of > 'lisp mode' anywhere. As far as I can tell it means the cursor > highlights the corresponding '(' when I type a ')', which is nice and > all, but surely it does more than just that. Is there also an > interpreter, or do I need to get one? > > I shouldn't have any other questions for a while, so enjoy this one > while it lasts. ;) > > Lorry > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From matthew at redroot.org Thu Oct 18 12:18:32 2001 From: matthew at redroot.org (matthew@redroot.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Red Hat 7.2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: SuSE has a stable s390 port, I think... so don't hold me to that. As the normal use goes there is probably 0 demand for a s390 port, but big business has a huge demand. We have a few s390's laying around just waiting to be able to demonstrate Linux. I am confident that Linux will make it's largest inroads for fortune 500 companies on the s390. mcd On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Brian wrote: > On Thu, 18 Oct 2001 matthew@redroot.org wrote: > > > Nope... well you know me! > > > > Any word on whether 7.2 will include a stable s390 distro? I am chomping > > at the bit for that! > > Are there any out of the box s390 distros out there? I don't have an s390 > nor do I plan on it anytime soon I'd be impressed if someone was packaging > a distro for it. > > -Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From matthew at redroot.org Thu Oct 18 12:21:31 2001 From: matthew at redroot.org (matthew@redroot.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bitchin' 'bout beermeetin' In-Reply-To: <20011018112857.0094fd91.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: YES! count me in... DATE/TIME??? On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > Does a downed list constitute sufficient cause to reschedule a beermeeting? > > Shall we improvise and have one anyway? How about the Dubliner Pub, on University & Cretin / Vandalia.. No food, but good beers, decent scotch selection and maybe even a little Irish music. If there is a different venue preferred, say so. > > If we can get half a dozen 'yesses', let's do it... > > Bill > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Oct 18 12:23:50 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... [lisp inter preter] Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDFF0@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Do you need LISP or Scheme? Linux has a nice scheme interpreter. > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert P. Goldman [mailto:goldman@htc.honeywell.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:47 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to > know... [lisp interpreter] > > > If you want a solid lisp compiler and interpreter, you can > get a free personal copy of the Franz common lisp compiler at www.franz.com Alternatively, you could look into the CMU Common Lisp compiler, that's moved to somewhere on Sourceforge, IIRC. Should be findable through freshmeat. r _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Oct 18 12:27:03 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bitchin' 'bout beermeetin' In-Reply-To: <20011018112857.0094fd91.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Bill Layer spoke forth: > Does a downed list constitute sufficient cause to reschedule a beermeeting? Absolutely not! Just like American pride, the beer meetings cannot be stopped by mere server downtime. > Shall we improvise and have one anyway? Duh. Of course we shall. > How about the Dubliner Pub, on University & Cretin / Vandalia.. No food, > but good beers, decent scotch selection and maybe even a little Irish > music. If there is a different venue preferred, say so. I can't stay long, so no food might be a good option. Irish music also a plus. (I'm not Irish, but some days I wish I was...) > If we can get half a dozen 'yesses', let's do it... yessss no 1. -Brian From thomas at stderr.net Thu Oct 18 12:32:13 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Status update In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 10:57:59AM -0500 References: <20011018101137.C13227@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20011018182721.H36238@io.stderr.net> On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 10:57:59AM -0500, Brian wrote: > On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > Looks like you missed the procmail presentation, and you really need it... > > I already use procmail for dumping LUG mail to its own folder. Unless you > know of a filter that can process my e-mail and decide if it's worth > reading or not, then decide if it's worth keeping. THAT would be > cool. For instance, if a message conatained a question I had an answer > to, it would flag it as priority. If the message contained meaningless > drivel, it deletes it. AFAIK there's no AI module for procmail yet.. :-) But the presenter showed us how you can score messages. That is almost as good :-) -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Oct 18 12:35:31 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Red Hat 7.2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011018112934.A4028@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 10:29:01AM -0500, Brian wrote: > On Thu, 18 Oct 2001 matthew@redroot.org wrote: > > Any word on whether 7.2 will include a stable s390 distro? I am chomping > > at the bit for that! > > Are there any out of the box s390 distros out there? I don't have an s390 > nor do I plan on it anytime soon I'd be impressed if someone was packaging > a distro for it. Well, Debian's got a s390 port at http://www.debian.org/ports/s390/ . I don't know much about it, but from what I've heard its not going to be stable enough to be released with woody. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org Cookies are tasty! |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://freesklyarov.org/ From jesse_erdmann at securecomputing.com Thu Oct 18 12:41:36 2001 From: jesse_erdmann at securecomputing.com (Jesse Erdmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... References: <3BC703E6.8040900@slava.net> <20011018100228.B661@chuck.sistina.com> <3BCEF760.6060708@slava.net> Message-ID: <3BCF06A2.3EAD7D36@securecomputing.com> What version are you using? I haven't had that problem with 0.9.4, both on Winblows 98 and Linux. Lorry wrote: > > Ben Lutgens wrote: > > >There isn't a better browser than mozilla. Sorry. > > > I do not believe you. Considering I can't go to any secure sites, and > considering it is slower than molasses going uphill, I do not believe > someone hasn't done a better job. If I have to I will go back to > netscape. At least then I can go to secure sites again. > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jesse Erdmann Engineer Secure Computing Corp. From chrome at real-time.com Thu Oct 18 12:44:45 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... In-Reply-To: <3BCEF760.6060708@slava.net>; from fish@slava.net on Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 10:38:08AM -0500 References: <3BC703E6.8040900@slava.net> <20011018100228.B661@chuck.sistina.com> <3BCEF760.6060708@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011018114241.A29319@real-time.com> > >There isn't a better browser than mozilla. Sorry. > > > I do not believe you. Considering I can't go to any secure sites, and > considering it is slower than molasses going uphill, I do not believe > someone hasn't done a better job. If I have to I will go back to > netscape. At least then I can go to secure sites again. I myself use 2 or 3 different web browsers regularly and simultaneously; because each one sucks less at certain things. :) Netscape -- java stuff, shockwave/flash. (yes, I know you can get Mozilla to do most of that stuff; but I haven't spent the time to figure out how.) Galeon -- it's Mozilla, wrapped in GTK rather than mozilla's bloated interface. also has a *lot* of really nice UI features. (smarter crash recovery; better bookmark management tool; more customization of the UI; etc). it doesn't take any less memory than Mozilla, but it runs faster because of the GTK interface. (also less ugly, IMHO). this is what I use for my daily browsing. galeon.sourceforge.net lynx -- when I don't want to be bothered with a GUI. :) sometimes offers more helpful error messages, too. also take a look at dillo.sourceforge.net. it's a very lightweight browser; with its own rendering engine (not based on mozilla). it's far from perfect, but at times it has its uses. (PDAs and the like). I think there were even some local LUGers working on it, once upon a time... (?) another upside of using multiple browsers, is that when one of them crashes, it doesn't take down all my browser sessions. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From erikh at headwaterssoftware.com Thu Oct 18 12:51:06 2001 From: erikh at headwaterssoftware.com (Erik Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... In-Reply-To: <3BCEF760.6060708@slava.net> Message-ID: I like Opera. I have heard that Galeon is good but I have not used it. -Erik -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Lorry Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:38 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... Ben Lutgens wrote: >There isn't a better browser than mozilla. Sorry. > I do not believe you. Considering I can't go to any secure sites, and considering it is slower than molasses going uphill, I do not believe someone hasn't done a better job. If I have to I will go back to netscape. At least then I can go to secure sites again. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.282 / Virus Database: 150 - Release Date: 9/25/2001 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.282 / Virus Database: 150 - Release Date: 9/25/2001 From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Oct 18 12:53:32 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDFF2@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> I think Konqueror is much better than Mozilla. SSL works great, Flash works great, Java works great. Plus, you can disable window.open(), and modify your Browser string so you can browse sites that deny you if you are using anything other than IE. (Microsoft.com doesn't work with Konq's browser string, you have to change it to IE). Opera is also a great browser, very fast. But I don't think Java or Flash work with it yet. Correct me if I'm wrong though, I haven't used it in awhile. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Lorry [mailto:fish@slava.net] > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:38 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... > > > Ben Lutgens wrote: > > >There isn't a better browser than mozilla. Sorry. > > > I do not believe you. Considering I can't go to any secure > sites, and > considering it is slower than molasses going uphill, I do not believe > someone hasn't done a better job. If I have to I will go back to > netscape. At least then I can go to secure sites again. > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jacque at fruitioninc.com Thu Oct 18 12:56:55 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bitchin' 'bout beermeetin' In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What about the Green Mill on Hamline, instead? Good food and beer. :) > > YES! count me in... DATE/TIME??? > > On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > > > Does a downed list constitute sufficient cause to reschedule a > beermeeting? > > > > Shall we improvise and have one anyway? How about the Dubliner > Pub, on University & Cretin / Vandalia.. No food, but good beers, > decent scotch selection and maybe even a little Irish music. If > there is a different venue preferred, say so. > > > > If we can get half a dozen 'yesses', let's do it... > > > > Bill > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From andy at theasis.com Thu Oct 18 13:03:01 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Status update In-Reply-To: <20011018182721.H36238@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: > > I already use procmail for dumping LUG mail to its own folder. Unless you > > know of a filter that can process my e-mail and decide if it's worth > > reading or not, then decide if it's worth keeping. THAT would be > > cool. For instance, if a message conatained a question I had an answer > > to, it would flag it as priority. If the message contained meaningless > > drivel, it deletes it. AFAIK there's no AI module for procmail yet.. :-) > > But the presenter showed us how you can score messages. That is almost > as good :-) Right... it forces you to explicitly define meaningless drivel in writing, but once you do so, it'll handle it fine. Anyway, as a reminder, the presentation slides are at http://www.socialmotors.com/TCLUG/procmail/ Andy From amy at real-time.com Thu Oct 18 13:06:54 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... In-Reply-To: <3BCEF760.6060708@slava.net>; from fish@slava.net on Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 10:38:08AM -0500 References: <3BC703E6.8040900@slava.net> <20011018100228.B661@chuck.sistina.com> <3BCEF760.6060708@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011018111735.J30086@real-time.com> On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 10:38:08AM -0500, Lorry (fish@slava.net) wrote: > Ben Lutgens wrote: > > >There isn't a better browser than mozilla. Sorry. > > > I do not believe you. Considering I can't go to any secure sites, and > considering it is slower than molasses going uphill, I do not believe > someone hasn't done a better job. If I have to I will go back to > netscape. At least then I can go to secure sites again. I use mozilla exclusively and do not have any trouble with secure sites. Perhaps I missed something in this thread? -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From duncan at sodatrain.com Thu Oct 18 13:08:20 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ASP on Linux References: <20011018144208.XBZL27641.femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> <20011018172645.G36238@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <3BCF04B0.1030707@sodatrain.com> havent tried it, but could be your answer. converts asp on NT scripts to php with apache. http://asp2php.naken.cc/ From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Oct 18 13:10:37 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... In-Reply-To: <3BCEF760.6060708@slava.net> References: <3BC703E6.8040900@slava.net> <20011018100228.B661@chuck.sistina.com> <3BCEF760.6060708@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011018113409.B4028@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 10:38:08AM -0500, Lorry wrote: > Ben Lutgens wrote: > > >There isn't a better browser than mozilla. Sorry. > > > I do not believe you. Considering I can't go to any secure sites, and > considering it is slower than molasses going uphill, I do not believe > someone hasn't done a better job. If I have to I will go back to > netscape. At least then I can go to secure sites again. I think I've lost the train of this thread, but why can't you go to secure sites with mozilla? What version are you running? I run nightly builds, and I haven't had problems getting secure sites in quite a while. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org Cookies are tasty! |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://freesklyarov.org/ From myok at ogzr.org Thu Oct 18 13:16:37 2001 From: myok at ogzr.org (Myok) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bitchin' 'bout beermeetin' References: Message-ID: <001d01c157f9$b2cdf5c0$0265a8c0@here> Yes #2! -- Carl Patten ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian" To: Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] bitchin' 'bout beermeetin' > On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Bill Layer spoke forth: > > > Does a downed list constitute sufficient cause to reschedule a beermeeting? > > Absolutely not! Just like American pride, the beer meetings cannot be > stopped by mere server downtime. > > > Shall we improvise and have one anyway? > > Duh. Of course we shall. > > > How about the Dubliner Pub, on University & Cretin / Vandalia.. No food, > > but good beers, decent scotch selection and maybe even a little Irish > > music. If there is a different venue preferred, say so. > > I can't stay long, so no food might be a good option. Irish music also a > plus. (I'm not Irish, but some days I wish I was...) > > > If we can get half a dozen 'yesses', let's do it... > > yessss no 1. > > > -Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Oct 18 13:22:26 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... In-Reply-To: <3BCEF760.6060708@slava.net>; from fish@slava.net on Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 10:38:08AM -0500 References: <3BC703E6.8040900@slava.net> <20011018100228.B661@chuck.sistina.com> <3BCEF760.6060708@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011018123424.A1857@chuck.sistina.com> On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 10:38:08AM -0500, Lorry wrote: >Ben Lutgens wrote: > >>There isn't a better browser than mozilla. Sorry. >> >I do not believe you. Considering I can't go to any secure sites, and >considering it is slower than molasses going uphill, I do not believe >someone hasn't done a better job. If I have to I will go back to >netscape. At least then I can go to secure sites again. Secure sites work fine in mozilla. In fact So does java and flash. 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I don't have an s390 > nor do I plan on it anytime soon I'd be impressed if someone was packaging > a distro for it. debian ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/disks-s390/ florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011018/37316457/attachment.pgp From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Oct 18 13:33:29 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... In-Reply-To: <3BCEF760.6060708@slava.net> Message-ID: Hi, On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Lorry wrote: > I do not believe you. Considering I can't go to any secure sites, You can't? When you installed Mozilla, did you select the Personal Security Manager component? That's the bit that connects to secure sites. I don't know about the molasses. Are you installing Nightly Builds or some Milestone release? If it's a milestone, is it the latest? When installing, are you installing debugging and that Quality Feedbck Agent? Those will slow you down. I like using Mozilla as a rowser. The nightly builds for the past, I dunno, year or so, have been great. A lot of people swear by Konqueror though - you might want to give it a try. -Yaron -- From chrome at real-time.com Thu Oct 18 13:37:46 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Red Hat 7.2 In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 10:29:01AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20011018115241.B29319@real-time.com> > Are there any out of the box s390 distros out there? I don't have an s390 > nor do I plan on it anytime soon I'd be impressed if someone was packaging > a distro for it. Someone mentioned Caiman (debian-based distro). I've been playing with SuSE's 7.0 distro (quickly decided that I dislike SuSE). (ftp.suse.de) RH has one as well; but I don't know anything about it. linux.s390.org has a RH7.1-based distro available. ('Think Blue') someone in Germany has made some pre-installed disk images for the RH7.1-based distro; but there are problems with them. it's being hammered out right now. I've been playing around with Hercules lately. it's a free S390 emulator. runs *really* slow (think 386-equivalent on my PII-300 laptop); but it does work. http://www.conmicro.cx/hercules/; or 'apt-get install hercules'. Carl. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Oct 18 13:39:10 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... In-Reply-To: <3BCEE37E.2070501@slava.net>; from fish@slava.net on Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 09:13:18AM -0500 References: <3BCEE37E.2070501@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011018100407.C661@chuck.sistina.com> On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 09:13:18AM -0500, Lorry wrote: >Glenn McDavid wrote: > >>http://www.vim.org/html/options.html#'lisp' >> >>has more information. >> >Yay! Thank you! > >>IIRC, you are using Slackware 7.1. I think there was a Lisp interpreter >>included with it. There is one in Slack 8.0. >> >You do remember correctly (although I've had about 10 people in the last >week tell me I should get another distro). Thanks, I'm searching now. Since you're realitively new to linux I'd recommend mandrake or SuSE. Once you feel more comfortable you can migrate to slackware, debian or one of the other more obscure distros. You may even decide you like FreeBSD > >Lorry > > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011018/7b8553b7/attachment.pgp From fish at slava.net Thu Oct 18 13:40:45 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (forw) [dean@linux.com: Re: Linux.com Live!] References: <20011014222838.S21884@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <3BCEEEEE.7040308@slava.net> Is this assuming one has two computers? I'm having a hard time seeing how I could follow along on IRC while installing on the same 'puter. Are we too poor for such niceties left out? :) Scott Dier wrote: >----- Forwarded message from Dean Henrichsmeyer ----- > >From: Dean Henrichsmeyer >To: Ben Collins >Subject: Re: Linux.com Live! > >Oh, sorry, I left out an important point, it's all online, on IRC. >Geographic location of the people is irrelevant. It happens in #live on >OPN. We do it online, so those all over the world can follow along with >an install and do it. Virtual install fest so to speak. > >Dean > From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Oct 18 13:44:01 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ASP on Linux In-Reply-To: <3BCF04B0.1030707@sodatrain.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, duncan wrote: > havent tried it, but could be your answer. > > http://asp2php.naken.cc/ I've heard mixed results with this, most of them bad. Apparently it's still pretty buggy. I've never used it, but I know people who have and they're not impressed. Anything else out there for ASP-->PHP conversion? -Brian From bbaptist at iexposure.com Thu Oct 18 13:46:16 2001 From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... In-Reply-To: <20011018100228.B661@chuck.sistina.com> References: <3BC703E6.8040900@slava.net> <20011018100228.B661@chuck.sistina.com> Message-ID: <200110181744.f9IHiTl10238@destiny.iexposure.com> On Thursday 18 October 2001 10:02 am, you wrote: > There isn't a better browser than mozilla. Sorry. I beg to differ. I have found that Opera is a very usable and stable browser. Also Konqueror is pretty nice, and it is getting better at a much faster rate than mozilla. Just my opinion of course. -- Bret Baptist Systems and Technical Support Specialist bbaptist@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services From bradyh at bitstream.net Thu Oct 18 13:52:38 2001 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... In-Reply-To: <3BCF06A2.3EAD7D36@securecomputing.com> References: <3BC703E6.8040900@slava.net> <20011018100228.B661@chuck.sistina.com> <3BCEF760.6060708@slava.net> <3BCF06A2.3EAD7D36@securecomputing.com> Message-ID: <1003427628.30040.124.camel@localhost.localdomain> I've never had any trouble getting to secure sites. Maybe you need to install the secure socket package? I thought it was included now but maybe not if you compile it yourself. > What version are you using? I haven't had that problem with 0.9.4, both > on Winblows 98 and Linux. > > Lorry wrote: > > > > Ben Lutgens wrote: > > > > >There isn't a better browser than mozilla. Sorry. > > > > > I do not believe you. Considering I can't go to any secure sites, and > > considering it is slower than molasses going uphill, I do not believe > > someone hasn't done a better job. If I have to I will go back to > > netscape. At least then I can go to secure sites again. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > > Jesse Erdmann > Engineer > Secure Computing Corp. > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From chuck at redroot.org Thu Oct 18 13:55:09 2001 From: chuck at redroot.org (Chuck Milam) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.2 Update In-Reply-To: <1002593610.10292.3.camel@thor.valhalla> Message-ID: On 8 Oct 2001, Doug wrote: > I heard today that MySQL 4.0 will be released sometime in the next > couple weeks, and Evolution should be released in the next couple > weeks as well. Could they be waiting for those? (considering the dates > Oct 15 and Oct 26 that were tossed around a few days ago) Maybe? The longer they wait, the more out-of-date the distro becomes. From bbaptist at iexposure.com Thu Oct 18 13:56:38 2001 From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDFF2@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDFF2@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <200110181756.f9IHuLl11357@destiny.iexposure.com> On Thursday 18 October 2001 11:51 am, you wrote: > Opera is also a great browser, very fast. ?But I don't think Java or Flash > work with it yet. ?Correct me if I'm wrong though, I haven't used it in > awhile. If you get the 5.05 Tech Release it works with Java and Flash. Pretty sweet really. > > Jay -- Bret Baptist Systems and Technical Support Specialist bbaptist@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services From nate at techie.com Thu Oct 18 13:59:42 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... In-Reply-To: <20011018114241.A29319@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 11:42:41AM -0500 References: <3BC703E6.8040900@slava.net> <20011018100228.B661@chuck.sistina.com> <3BCEF760.6060708@slava.net> <20011018114241.A29319@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011018130640.A16035@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 11:42:41AM -0500, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > I myself use 2 or 3 different web browsers regularly and simultaneously; > because each one sucks less at certain things. :) > > Galeon -- it's Mozilla, wrapped in GTK rather than mozilla's bloated > interface. also has a *lot* of really nice UI features. I also use Galeon for all of my daily browsing. It works great! I took the time to get flash and Java working. It's well worth the time. I also noticed in the latest Debian unstable update, that the Acrobat plugin now works too. :) > Netscape -- java stuff, shockwave/flash. (yes, I know you can get Mozilla to > do most of that stuff; but I haven't spent the time to figure out how.) I only use Netscape when I'm working with Zope. For some reason with Galeon, the right frame always goes to the view tab. If I could get Galeon to render Zope correctly, I wouldn't have to use Netscape at all. > lynx -- when I don't want to be bothered with a GUI. :) sometimes offers > more helpful error messages, too. For text based stuff I use w3m. It's far better than Lynx. It renders tables and frames. It supports xterm mouse events. Forms aren't as easy to deal with as in Lynx, but everything else feels better. Nate From doughanson at mediaone.net Thu Oct 18 14:03:18 2001 From: doughanson at mediaone.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bitchin' 'bout beermeetin' References: Message-ID: <01e701c157ff$dfc6cfb0$eaaf7a81@doug> Yes # 2 > > If we can get half a dozen 'yesses', let's do it... > > yessss no 1. > From doughanson at mediaone.net Thu Oct 18 14:05:47 2001 From: doughanson at mediaone.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bitchin' 'bout beermeetin' References: Message-ID: <021101c15800$23cb39d0$eaaf7a81@doug> For sure!!! It was good last time... Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: Jacqueline Urick > What about the Green Mill on Hamline, instead? Good food and beer. :) > From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Oct 18 14:08:32 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... In-Reply-To: <20011018100228.B661@chuck.sistina.com> Message-ID: Hey, On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: > There isn't a better browser than mozilla. Sorry. Yes there is - tomorrow's Mozilla build (; Well, usually. > >I have to write a program in lisp, and I know that vim -l starts up vim > >in 'lisp mode'. But wtf is 'lisp mode'? > Basically it does syntax highlighing for lisp. There are other features to > the mode I believe, but that the only one I know of. Emacs! -Yaron -- From chrome at real-time.com Thu Oct 18 14:15:04 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (forw) [dean@linux.com: Re: Linux.com Live!] In-Reply-To: <3BCEEEEE.7040308@slava.net>; from fish@slava.net on Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 10:02:06AM -0500 References: <20011014222838.S21884@ringworld.org> <3BCEEEEE.7040308@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011018132101.B4685@real-time.com> > Is this assuming one has two computers? I'm having a hard time seeing > how I could follow along on IRC while installing on the same 'puter. > Are we too poor for such niceties left out? :) there's two possibilities: 1. you have two computers, which share an Internet connection 2. your distribuition allows you to switch to a virtual console (alt-f); and telnet to an IRC server, while the install is going on. I've known people who browsed the web while installing, using a virtual console, telnet, and more/less. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Oct 18 14:18:10 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... In-Reply-To: <200110181744.f9IHiTl10238@destiny.iexposure.com>; from bbaptist@iexposure.com on Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 12:44:29PM -0500 References: <3BC703E6.8040900@slava.net> <20011018100228.B661@chuck.sistina.com> <200110181744.f9IHiTl10238@destiny.iexposure.com> Message-ID: <20011018132356.A75215@chuck.sistina.com> On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 12:44:29PM -0500, Bret Baptist wrote: >On Thursday 18 October 2001 10:02 am, you wrote: >> There isn't a better browser than mozilla. Sorry. > >I beg to differ. I have found that Opera is a very usable and stable >browser. Also Konqueror is pretty nice, and it is getting better at a much >faster rate than mozilla. Just my opinion of course. > Untill you want to use plugins. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I tried Opera before and I didn't like it because there was a big banner ad and you couldn't get rid of any of the toolbars and things. The viewing space was really small and the location bar was something like an inch long. If I missed something regarding this problem... oops. I know nothing whatsoever about Galeon and Konquerer so thank you to the people that mentioned those. I'll look into it. Whoever it was that suggested SuSE or Mandrake, thank you. I'll look into that. I need to upgrade my WinME to Win95 anyway, so I was wondering if I should go to Slack8 or change distros completely. I am (obviously) new to all this, so something a little easier would be nice at least for now. And on that note, since I am hoping to give Al (my computer) an OS overhaul, I am not going to worry too much about this Mozilla problem for a while. It will all be deleted and I can start over, and one or more of you lovely people can assist me on installing things correctly and with all of whatever features I need. If there isn't an installfest coming up soon, maybe I'll bribe someone to help me anyway. :) Lorry From chrome at real-time.com Thu Oct 18 14:26:19 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... In-Reply-To: <20011018100407.C661@chuck.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 10:04:07AM -0500 References: <3BCEE37E.2070501@slava.net> <20011018100407.C661@chuck.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20011018133305.C4685@real-time.com> > Since you're realitively new to linux I'd recommend mandrake or SuSE. Once > you feel more comfortable you can migrate to slackware, debian or one of > the other more obscure distros. You may even decide you like FreeBSD uh oh, distro war coming... to head off some of the flameage, I'm going to suggest that you just get a bunch of different distros; and try them all out. or come to an installfest, and watch people try different distros out. every distro has its adherents; this is what makes the linux community strong in its diversity. sooner or later, you *will* try different distros; you might as well sample them sooner, before you get too set in your ways like some of us (points finger at self). :) Come to the Real-Time offices in Eden Prairie, and we'll burn CDs of some of the major distros for you. (generally we ask for blank CDs or $1/cd in return). It's one of the services we offer the linux community. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Thu Oct 18 14:30:35 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... In-Reply-To: <20011018130640.A16035@candle.mn.mediaone.net>; from nate@techie.com on Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 01:06:40PM -0500 References: <3BC703E6.8040900@slava.net> <20011018100228.B661@chuck.sistina.com> <3BCEF760.6060708@slava.net> <20011018114241.A29319@real-time.com> <20011018130640.A16035@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20011018133840.D4685@real-time.com> > > lynx -- when I don't want to be bothered with a GUI. :) sometimes offers > > more helpful error messages, too. > > For text based stuff I use w3m. It's far better than Lynx. It renders > tables and frames. It supports xterm mouse events. Forms aren't as > easy to deal with as in Lynx, but everything else feels better. 'links' is also another good text-based browser. I've used all of the ones mentioned; and admit that I use lynx out of reflex as much as anything. :) (and it does have some nice features as well, like dumping to text, or rendering a directory in HTML. the error messages are sometimes helpful as well). I've found that 'links' has a pretty impressively robust rendering engine in some ways, tho. I've seen pages that Netscape and Mozilla refuse to render (becuase of broken HTML that must still render in IE), and links will handle it. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Oct 18 14:31:58 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDFF6@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > Since you're realitively new to linux I'd recommend mandrake > or SuSE. Once you feel more comfortable you can migrate to > slackware, debian or one of the other more obscure distros. > You may even decide you like FreeBSD Mandrake rules. I've been using it pretty much exclusively for workstations for the past 2 years or so, and it's very nice to work with. 8.0 had some nasty bugs, but 8.1 has fixed them, and adds a ton of useful features. Mandrake's not necessarily just for the newbie, as I've been using Unix in some form since 1991, but Mandrake is a joy to use. Jay From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Oct 18 14:34:18 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... In-Reply-To: <20011018100407.C661@chuck.sistina.com> References: <3BCEE37E.2070501@slava.net> <20011018100407.C661@chuck.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20011018133724.N17220@wookimus.net> On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 10:04:07AM -0500, Ben Lutgens wrote: > Since you're realitively new to linux I'd recommend mandrake or SuSE. > Once you feel more comfortable you can migrate to slackware, debian or > one of the other more obscure distros. You may even decide you like > FreeBSD Debian [1] is obscure? There ARE ways of installing Debian in a less "obscure" manner, such as installing with Libranet [2]. Anyway, I'm more for starting people out on the "right" foot. ;-) Debian is definitely the way to go, but that's a biased opinion from someone who works with it on a daily basis. To read up on the different releases of Debian, you can visit links [3] and [4]. The installation instructions for the 'stable' release are at link [5]. References ---------- 1. http://www.debian.org/ 2. http://www.libranet.com/ 3. http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ 4. http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/ 5. http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/install.en.html -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011018/521dd27f/attachment.pgp From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Thu Oct 18 14:36:49 2001 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Red Hat 7.2 Message-ID: <0GLE00CERYOZHV@mail1.supervalu.com> We use SuSE Linux for S/390 here at SuperValu. TurboLinux also has an "IBM approved" version of Linux for the S/390. - Nick chrome@real-time.com on 10/18/2001 11:52:41 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Red Hat 7.2 > Are there any out of the box s390 distros out there? I don't have an s390 > nor do I plan on it anytime soon I'd be impressed if someone was packaging > a distro for it. Someone mentioned Caiman (debian-based distro). I've been playing with SuSE's 7.0 distro (quickly decided that I dislike SuSE). (ftp.suse.de) RH has one as well; but I don't know anything about it. linux.s390.org has a RH7.1-based distro available. ('Think Blue') someone in Germany has made some pre-installed disk images for the RH7.1-based distro; but there are problems with them. it's being hammered out right now. I've been playing around with Hercules lately. it's a free S390 emulator. runs *really* slow (think 386-equivalent on my PII-300 laptop); but it does work. http://www.conmicro.cx/hercules/; or 'apt-get install hercules'. Carl. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at gimp.damnation.net Thu Oct 18 14:40:48 2001 From: jima at gimp.damnation.net (jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... [Mozilla] In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011018114758.00a6c6e0@mail.eleetomatic.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Lorry wrote: > Ben Lutgens wrote: > > >There isn't a better browser than mozilla. Sorry. > I do not believe you. Considering I can't go to any secure sites, and > considering it is slower than molasses going uphill, I do not believe > someone hasn't done a better job. If I have to I will go back to > netscape. At least then I can go to secure sites again. What version of Mozilla are you using? What you're describing is a known bug in about ~0.9.2 or thereabouts (also in Netscape 6 for certain reasons), but it's been fixed for at least two releases (by 0.9.3 or 0.9.4). They released 0.9.5 on Friday, unless I'm mistaken, and it appears to be handling secure sites just fine. Mozilla tends to have a few major bugs every release. That's the trouble with making a program to mimic a commercially-developed software package. I can't safely tell you to upgrade to the latest version, though; some of the more recent bugs I've noticed/heard about were mail-related. I'm not trying Mozilla Mail again until I'm *certain* it's working okay. The last time I tried it I had to re-sort two thousand or so emails when it hiccupped. As for slow...I'm guessing that's a side effect to having to reinvent the wheel. HTH, Jima From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Oct 18 14:44:26 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... In-Reply-To: <3BCEF760.6060708@slava.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Lorry wrote: > Ben Lutgens wrote: > > >There isn't a better browser than mozilla. Sorry. > > > I do not believe you. Considering I can't go to any secure sites, and > considering it is slower than molasses going uphill, I do not believe > someone hasn't done a better job. If I have to I will go back to > netscape. At least then I can go to secure sites again. What version are you running? Since something like .8x Mozilla's had full SSL support. 0.94 kicks ass. Yes, it's a tad slow, but it's STABLE, even on Windoze. -Brian From fish at slava.net Thu Oct 18 14:46:01 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... References: Message-ID: <3BCF22D4.2020803@slava.net> Yaron wrote: >>Basically it does syntax highlighing for lisp. There are other features to >>the mode I believe, but that the only one I know of. >> > >Emacs! > I already have to learn Lisp (and yes, Lisp, not Scheme... can't remember who asked that) so I'm not real fond of the idea of having to learn emacs on top of that. I've been using vi for a few years now and I know how to do stuff. (Also to whomever said I needed to learn about the online help... I did go there but I must have skipped over the list part accidently. Sorry about that.) Lorry From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Oct 18 14:49:34 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Broken (?) Debian xlibs package In-Reply-To: <20011013103546.A23251@iaxs.net> References: <20011013103546.A23251@iaxs.net> Message-ID: <20011018134431.P17220@wookimus.net> On Sat, Oct 13, 2001 at 10:35:46AM -0500, Scott Raun wrote: > I'm trying to do an apt-get upgrade, and xlibs-4.1.0-6_i386.deb is > breaking on me. Specifically: > > dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibs-4.1.0-6_i386.deb (--unpack): > trying to overwrite '/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults', which is also in package xmh > Errors were encountered while processing: > /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibs-4.1.0-6_i386.deb > E: sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) > > I've tried doing an apt-get -f install, same problem. > > Now what? If you want to install anyway: dpkg --install --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibs-4.1.0-6_i386.deb Etc... Try doing dpgk --help and read up on what you can do with it. Look into the man pages, etc. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011018/4c994a1a/attachment.pgp From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Oct 18 14:53:39 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... [lisp interpreter] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011018135608.Q17220@wookimus.net> Lisp interpretor packages on Debian: clisp - GNU CLISP, a Common Lisp implementation clisp-doc - GNU CLISP, a Common Lisp implementation (documentation) cmucl - The CMUCL lisp compiler and development system. cmucl-clm - The Motif interface for CMUCL. cmucl-normal - A lisp core that is compiled with the normal options. cmucl-safe - A lisp core that is compiled with safe options. cmucl-small - A lisp core that is compiled with small options. cmucl-source - The CMUCL lisp sources common-lisp-controller - This is a common lisp source and compiler manager. gcl - GNU Common Lisp compiler. gcl-doc - Documentation for GNU Common Lisp. gclinfo - Draft ANSI Common Lisp specification in info format gclinfo-html - Draft ANSI Common Lisp specification in html format oaklisp - An object-oriented dialect of Scheme. rep - lisp command interpreter frontends to librep rep-doc - documentation for the librep lisp interpreter rep-gtk - GTK binding for librep rep-gtk-gnome - GTK binding for librep with gnome support rep-xmms - rep language bindings for XMMS series - The series package is a general iteration library for Lisps. ilisp - Package for interacting with LISPs using EMACSes That is excluding elisp, of course. If you're interested in scheme: bigloo - A Scheme Compiler bigloo-runtime-2.4a - Runtime libraries for bigloo-compiled programs chpp - A powerful and simple preprocessor drscheme - Scheme Programming Environment drscheme-extradoc - Rice University PLT Scheme Manuals elastic-base - High-level object-oriented interpreted language. elastic-doc - High-level object-oriented interpreted language. elk - The Extension Language Kit, an Scheme implementation elkdoc - The Extension Language Kit documentation. escm - Embedded Scheme Processor gauche - A Scheme implementation designed for script writing. guile1.4 - The GNU extension language and Scheme interpreter. libelastic-dev - High-level object-oriented interpreted language (libs.) libelastic0 - High-level object-oriented interpreted language (devel.) mit-scheme - The MIT Scheme development environment mzscheme - Rice University PLT Scheme Interpreter mzscheme-dev - Rice University PLT Scheme Interpreter (Dev Files) oaklisp - An object-oriented dialect of Scheme. rscheme - Threaded, persistent, OO, scheme interpreter and compiler. rscheme-modules - Add on modules for RScheme from the CVS development tree. sather - Compiler and programming environment for Sather. scm - A Scheme language interpreter. scsh - A `scheme' interpreter designed for writing system programs. slib - Portable Scheme library. stalin - An extremely aggressive Scheme compiler. And that's not counting the libraries. ;-) All this information was found with apt-cache(1) with the following syntax: apt-cache search lisp apt-cache search scheme -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011018/fd09479f/attachment.pgp From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Oct 18 14:55:42 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] browsing excitement & distros (was: I'm sure everyone...) In-Reply-To: <3BCF1F7C.9070208@slava.net> References: <3BCF1F7C.9070208@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011018140517.A4325@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 01:29:16PM -0500, Lorry wrote: > I am using Mozilla 0.9.4 on Slackware 7.1. > (I do use lynx sometimes if I just want some info quickly and not have > to bother with fancy things, but I digress...) > > As for what I did when I installed it, I downloaded it, did the normal > make make install deal (only it took an hour or so) and that was it. > I have no idea why I can't go to secure sites. If I did something > wrong... oops. OK, so you downloaded the source and compiled it yourself? Well, that it explains. I think in order to get crypto stuff built, you have to send options to configure. Or you can put options in ~/.mozconfig file - here's some relevant ones from mine: ac_add_options --enable-crypto # should fix https problem ac_add_options --enable-optimize=-O # should make mozilla faster ac_add_options --enable-strip-libraries # smaller libs Of course instead of building it from source, you could also just download the binaries. The latest milestone and nightly builds are quite nice. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org Cookies are tasty! |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://freesklyarov.org/ From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Oct 18 14:58:08 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GPS and linux Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDFF7@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Are there any mapping programs for Linux? I found http://www.gnomad-mapping.com, but they don't seem to have anything I can download yet. I just want something I can hook my Garmin GPS up to, and have it display a continuously updating map with my position on it. Even better, if I could upload maps using it then I wouldn't have to use Garmin's windows software. WINE chokes on anything related to a serial port. Jay From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Oct 18 15:00:20 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDFF8@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > > Untill you want to use plugins. > Konqueror works fine with plugins, and as Bret pointed out in another post, the 5.05 tech release of Opera does also. From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Oct 18 15:04:03 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... In-Reply-To: <20011018133305.C4685@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > Since you're realitively new to linux I'd recommend mandrake or SuSE. Once > > you feel more comfortable you can migrate to slackware, debian or one of > > the other more obscure distros. You may even decide you like FreeBSD > > uh oh, distro war coming... > > to head off some of the flameage, I'm going to suggest that you just get a > bunch of different distros; and try them all out. or come to an installfest, > and watch people try different distros out. I personally like using Yaron's method when choosing a distro: burn off all the distros you're considering, throw them in the dishwasher. Whichever one survives is the right one for you. If none survive, stick with what you're running :-) -Brian From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Oct 18 15:06:30 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Postfix and listservers Message-ID: <20011018140911.A8407@wookimus.net> I found an interesting entry on the Smartlist (a procmail-based email listserver) FAQ, the second paragraph in particular. 6.1: Does SmartList run with Postfix? Yes. If you use the sendmail replacement of postfix you don't need to change anything. Just make sure that SmartList can find the sendmail wrapper. For large lists it may be advantageous to replace choplist with the direct sendmail wrapper call because postfix doesn't need a helper program for the load balancing. Uncomment the appropriate line in rc.init, and remember to add an alias to your postfix aliases db which points to your dist file, as in: example-dist: :include:/path/to/your/example/dist However if you choose to let postfix replace choplist you remove SmartList's ability to filter out undesirable messages -- anybody will be able to email directly to the alias and have their message go onto your list. You might also find the Postfix FAQ useful, in particluar the section on "Protecting internal email distribution lists" http://www.postfix.org/faq.html#internal-list ... Now, I'm not certain when the entry to this FAQ was written, but it's definitely a vote of confidence for my favorite email server. ;-) Anyway, back to your regularily scheduled postings... -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Lorry Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: >there's two possibilities: >1. you have two computers, which share an Internet connection >2. your distribuition allows you to switch to a virtual console >(alt-f); and telnet to an IRC server, while the install is going on. > >I've known people who browsed the web while installing, using a virtual >console, telnet, and more/less. :) > >Carl Soderstrom > From chuck at redroot.org Thu Oct 18 15:12:07 2001 From: chuck at redroot.org (Chuck Milam) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... In-Reply-To: <3BCEF760.6060708@slava.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Lorry wrote: > I do not believe you. Considering I can't go to any secure sites, and > considering it is slower than molasses going uphill, I do not believe > someone hasn't done a better job. To view secure sites with Mozilla, you need to install the PSM package: [chuck@arval chuck]$ rpm -qi mozilla-psm-0.9.5-0 Name : mozilla-psm Relocations: /usr Version : 0.9.5 Vendor: Red Hat, Inc. Release : 0 Build Date: Fri 12 Oct 2001 02:01:50 AM CDT Install date: Tue 16 Oct 2001 10:48:01 PM CDT Build Host: stripples.devel.redhat.com Group : Applications/Internet Source RPM: mozilla-0.9.5-0.src.rpm Size : 1321736 License: MPL Packager : Red Hat, Inc. Summary : SSL support for Mozilla. Description : SSL support for Mozilla. From myok at ogzr.org Thu Oct 18 15:13:33 2001 From: myok at ogzr.org (Myok) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ASP on Linux References: <20011018144208.XBZL27641.femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Message-ID: <011001c157fc$5d428460$0265a8c0@here> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Kline" > I might have the opptrutunity to swtich 15+ NT web servers over to > Linux/Unix, but the requirement is whatever it is, it needs to be able to run > ASP scripts. I have been doing a little looking, and found 3 products that do > this: > > Apache::ASP > Chili!Soft ASP > Halcyon Software iASP > Has anyone had any experience with these? The only one I've had experience supporting is Chili!Soft. It was running on a single web server in a high-traffic environment (estimated hits >10000 per day). The ASP service was stable under low load, but once in full production every few days it would stop responding and need to be killed/restarted. Don't know how the developers eventually fixed it. -- Carl Patten From simeonuj at eetc.com Thu Oct 18 15:14:55 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mailman.linux.org Message-ID: I'm trying to change some settings but the sight won't come up. Any problems w/ it? sim From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Oct 18 15:21:51 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] browsing excitement & distros (was: I'm sure everyone...) In-Reply-To: <3BCF1F7C.9070208@slava.net>; from fish@slava.net on Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 01:29:16PM -0500 References: <3BCF1F7C.9070208@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011018143124.A13581@chuck.sistina.com> On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 01:29:16PM -0500, Lorry wrote: >I read all the messages but I haven't kept track of who asked what so >here are all the answers to the questions I remember having been asked. > >I am using Mozilla 0.9.4 on Slackware 7.1. >(I do use lynx sometimes if I just want some info quickly and not have >to bother with fancy things, but I digress...) > >As for what I did when I installed it, I downloaded it, did the normal >make make install deal (only it took an hour or so) and that was it. >I have no idea why I can't go to secure sites. If I did something >wrong... oops. you need to do a second "make" on it with the correct options for building the PSM stuff. I can't remember exactly how it goes. I usually cd in /usr/ports/www/mozilla and do a make install on freebsd boxes or and apt-get or emerge on linux boxen. > >I tried Opera before and I didn't like it because there was a big banner >ad and you couldn't get rid of any of the toolbars and things. The >viewing space was really small and the location bar was something like >an inch long. If I missed something regarding this problem... oops. > >I know nothing whatsoever about Galeon and Konquerer so thank you to the >people that mentioned those. I'll look into it. > >Whoever it was that suggested SuSE or Mandrake, thank you. I'll look >into that. I need to upgrade my WinME to Win95 anyway, so I was >wondering if I should go to Slack8 or change distros completely. I am >(obviously) new to all this, so something a little easier would be nice >at least for now. > >And on that note, since I am hoping to give Al (my computer) an OS >overhaul, I am not going to worry too much about this Mozilla problem >for a while. It will all be deleted and I can start over, and one or >more of you lovely people can assist me on installing things correctly >and with all of whatever features I need. > >If there isn't an installfest coming up soon, maybe I'll bribe someone >to help me anyway. :) > >Lorry > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011018/b725a89d/attachment.pgp From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Oct 18 15:23:53 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... In-Reply-To: <20011018133724.N17220@wookimus.net>; from chewie@wookimus.net on Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 01:37:24PM -0500 References: <3BCEE37E.2070501@slava.net> <20011018100407.C661@chuck.sistina.com> <20011018133724.N17220@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20011018143340.B13581@chuck.sistina.com> On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 01:37:24PM -0500, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: >Debian [1] is obscure? There ARE ways of installing Debian in a less >"obscure" manner, such as installing with Libranet [2]. Anyway, I'm >more for starting people out on the "right" foot. ;-) Debian is >definitely the way to go, but that's a biased opinion from someone who >works with it on a daily basis. debian bites. > >To read up on the different releases of Debian, you can visit links [3] >and [4]. The installation instructions for the 'stable' release are at >link [5]. > >References >---------- >1. http://www.debian.org/ >2. http://www.libranet.com/ >3. http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ >4. http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/ >5. http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/install.en.html > >-- >Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie >http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr >Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011018/6b91e9fc/attachment.pgp From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Oct 18 15:29:41 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... In-Reply-To: <3BCF22D4.2020803@slava.net> Message-ID: Hey, On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Lorry wrote: > I already have to learn Lisp (and yes, Lisp, not Scheme... can't > remember who asked that) so I'm not real fond of the idea of having to > learn emacs on top of that. I've been using vi for a few years now and I'm not really an editor zealot. I use VI a hell of a lot more than I use xemacs, when you get right down to it, and I think knowing how to use VI is really, really important to anyone doing anything with UNIX. The thing about XEmacs is you really don't need to learn much - the whole Insert-Mode/Command-Mode thing isn't there, there are pulldown menus and you can use the mouse for cut/paste stuff. Of course, you CAN learn the leyboard shortcuts. You _can_ go Ctrl-X Ctrl-S to save, but you can also click on the Save icon or chose File|Save from the menus. My wife's been using XEmacs for a few years (under Windoze too) and hasn't bothered to learn ANY keyboard shortcuts, nor needed them apparently. As for LISP, Emacs and XEmacs pretty much have builtin LISP interperters. You can totally interact and extend XEmacs with LISP. Then again I don't know LISP, and I only fire up Xemacs when I want to edit multiple files or want pretty syntax hilighting and auto intenting. -Yaron -- From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Oct 18 15:31:06 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bitchin' 'bout beermeetin' In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > Where do you want to get together? I'd like to meet at a place with food, > tho. I have no preference, I see people are kinda split between the Dubliner and Green Mill. If some people want food, I have no problem with Green Mill. -Brian From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Oct 18 15:32:31 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 02:12:23PM -0500 References: <20011018133305.C4685@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011018144352.A13833@chuck.sistina.com> On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 02:12:23PM -0500, Brian wrote: > >I personally like using Yaron's method when choosing a distro: burn off >all the distros you're considering, throw them in the >dishwasher. Whichever one survives is the right one for you. If none >survive, stick with what you're running :-) > Or just don't install any of them and become a forest ranger and never ever ever touch a blasted computer again because they all suck. All software sucks, all computers suck. Everything sucks. Jeez, kinda liberating to just get it all out. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011018/84246e48/attachment.pgp From dsherman at real-time.com Thu Oct 18 15:37:22 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDFF6@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDFF6@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <200110181918.f9IJISx23369@enchanter.real-time.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 18 October 2001 13:39, Austad, Jay opined on the topic: RE: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... > Mandrake rules. I've been using it pretty much exclusively for > workstations for the past 2 years or so, and it's very nice to work > with. 8.0 had some nasty bugs, but 8.1 has fixed them, and adds a ton > of useful features. > > Mandrake's not necessarily just for the newbie, as I've been using Unix > in some form since 1991, but Mandrake is a joy to use. I must agree. I have used RedHat 4.x, 5.x, and 6.x, Caldera 2.4 (eDesktop), and Mandrake 7.2 and 8.1 -- Mandrake rules the roost as far as workstations goes. For servers, give me RedHat. Dave -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7zytCA68l26XsZUYRAgvMAJ9Bb5NE24dgBwKAcdJL/vFcD+UddgCdGhlZ lC3OryWGaiPkB8ScEwad2Ok= =LlbQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From steveg at transition.com Thu Oct 18 15:39:44 2001 From: steveg at transition.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] staroffice 6.0 Message-ID: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BC050@postman.transition.com> I have no idea what that means but if you can't get it downloaded I have it and could make a CD for you. After that delivery is the only problem. -----Original Message----- From: Lorry [mailto:fish@slava.net] Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 7:46 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] staroffice 6.0 I tried to download staroffice 6.0, but when it gets about halfway through my computer starts beeping frantically at me and won't shut up until I stop the download. I've tried several times from different sites and I get the same results. What does this mean? Thanks, Lorry _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at mtu.net Thu Oct 18 15:42:06 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4.12 won't compile Message-ID: I've tried this twice now, even untarred the file again and redid my config. When I compile I get this: > make dep clean bzImage modules gcc -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -o scripts/split-include scripts/split-include.c scripts/split-include include/linux/autoconf.h include/config gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-trigraphs -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -pipe -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -march=i686 -c -o init/main.o init/main.c In file included from /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/fs.h:19, from /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/capability.h:17, from /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/binfmts.h:5, from /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/sched.h:9, from /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/mm.h:4, from /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/slab.h:14, from /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/proc_fs.h:5, from init/main.c:15: /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/dcache.h: In function `dget': /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/dcache.h:247: warning: implicit declaration of function `BUG' In file included from /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/capability.h:17, from /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/binfmts.h:5, from /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/sched.h:9, from /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/mm.h:4, from /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/slab.h:14, from /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/proc_fs.h:5, from init/main.c:15: /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/fs.h: In function `put_bh': /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/fs.h:1105: warning: implicit declaration of function `smp_mb__before_atomic_dec' In file included from /usr/include/asm/smp.h:15, ... /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/highmem.h:102: warning: implicit declaration of function `copy_page' In file included from /usr/include/asm/io.h:108, from /usr/include/asm/dma.h:13, from /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/bootmem.h:8, from init/main.c:28: /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/vmalloc.h: At top level: /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/vmalloc.h:23: parse error before `pgprot_t' /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/vmalloc.h:23: warning: function declaration isn't a prototype /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/vmalloc.h:27: parse error before `pgprot_t' /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/vmalloc.h:27: warning: function declaration isn't a prototype /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/vmalloc.h: In function `vmalloc': /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/vmalloc.h:35: warning: implicit declaration of function `__pgprot' In file included from /usr/include/asm/dma.h:13, from /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/bootmem.h:8, from init/main.c:28: /usr/include/asm/io.h: In function `virt_to_phys': /usr/include/asm/io.h:130: warning: implicit declaration of function `__pa' /usr/include/asm/io.h: In function `phys_to_virt': /usr/include/asm/io.h:135: warning: implicit declaration of function `__va' /usr/include/asm/io.h:135: warning: return makes pointer from integer without a cast /usr/include/asm/io.h: In function `isa_check_signature': /usr/include/asm/io.h:237: `PAGE_OFFSET' undeclared (first use in this function) init/main.c: In function `smp_init': init/main.c:515: warning: implicit declaration of function `cpu_relax' init/main.c: In function `start_kernel': init/main.c:578: `PAGE_OFFSET' undeclared (first use in this function) make: *** [init/main.o] Error 1 Anyone else run into this? -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From dd-b at dd-b.net Thu Oct 18 15:43:27 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] firewall choices In-Reply-To: <20011008144747.B19274@wookimus.net> References: <000b01c15021$7fc75fc0$840ef518@mn.mediaone.net> <20011008144747.B19274@wookimus.net> Message-ID: I've changed the subject since I'm grabbing one minor point (of concern to me) out of your larger message on constructing a bastion host. "Chad C. Walstrom" writes: > Other Configuration Needs: > o Use iptables to block all incoming TCP and UDP connections > except for: > - tcp port 25 (smtp) > - non-syn tcp packets (IOW, TCP replies from an established > connection to another machine) > - icmp ping-reply That last point. My own servers run exposed to the net, and I'm running packet filtering on them as backup for simply disabling services I don't want people reaching. When constructing my rulesets, I wasn't sure what icmp messages I wanted to allow in. I ended up settling for allowing all icmp in, baseed on some of the things I saw in the logs when I was more selective. Are the various "unreachable" and "redirect" messages not useful? And are they particularly risky to allow through? (And I definitely want to allow echo-request in; I want to be pingable.) -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / Ghugle: the Fannish Ghod of Queries Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From tanner at real-time.com Thu Oct 18 15:44:58 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailing list server: Flame emails?? Message-ID: <20011014012307.B14057@real-time.com> I just got a couple of personal flame emails for my, I'm quoting here from one such email, "... lack of concern that the mailing list server is down ..." Since the list server is down, I know this will come out after the fact, but I think I need to post here to explain, in public, my stance on why it has taken so long to fix the mailing list. First, like many linux or open source things, I volunteer my time. Maintaining the list server for the lug is something I want to do. It's something I like to do, but it's not my job. It doesn't pay the bills. Please think of these things before you flame me for the list server being offline. Second, Real Time donated (as in free beer) the list server to be used for the lug. Real Time also donates the connectivity, the monitor, the switch port, the power, blah, blah, etc, to keep the list server online. Telling me I don't care are the lug is just plain wrong. Third, the drive replacement is going out of Real Time's bottom line. Yes, Real Time took a drive from it's replacement stock and gave it to the lug. Which means, in the end Real Time will have to purchase a new drive to put on the shelf to replace the one donated. So there cold hard cash involved to get the list server operational. Please think of these things before you send me email calling me a "... cheap bastard ..." I normally let these things slide by. Getting hate mail is part of being an admin. Mostly it's from people who have never been a admin for a large number of users and do not appreciate the work involved in running a network. Like Clay says, you are either invisible or in trouble. I know I'm in trouble :-), but like all good admins, you -know- when you are in trouble, you don't need everyone else telling you about it. I'll step off my soap box now... -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jeffr at odeon.net Thu Oct 18 15:46:53 2001 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need trouble ticket tracking program/server In-Reply-To: <002501c152b5$5fcb4600$2a0b800a@xtratyme.com> Message-ID: It would also be fairly easy to put something together with Zope and the database of your choice. Take a look at www.zope.org, someone may have already made a product that will do what you want. Jeff On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, Michael James Mimbach II wrote: > There is lots of packages available Ray. Check out phpgroupware, bugin, > gcdb, keystone. Im writing one right now for a consulting company I work > with on the side. At XTI we have written a very indepth one completly php > and mysql based. Well happy hunting. Oh phpgroupware and bugin I believe > both have debain packages. :-) > > Michael J. Mimbach II > KC0JRE > michael@mimbach.com > Senior RF/Network Engineer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Burns" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 7:23 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Need trouble ticket tracking program/server > > > > ON Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 07:03:35PM -0500, Raymond Norton wrote: > > > I have a school district with some students taking A+. I want to > implement a > > > system where a ticket number is automatically assigned to each problem. > It > > > would need to be something like Cisco or Onvoy uses, so we can track the > > > history and conclusion of each case. Is there something like this out > there > > > for little or no cost? > > > > Request Tracker is free software. > > > > The URL is http://fsck.com/projects/rt/ > > > > > > -- > > Michael > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Oct 18 15:50:40 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... In-Reply-To: References: <3BCEF760.6060708@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011018145135.02977591.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Brian wrote: > > Yes, it's a tad slow, but it's STABLE, even on Windoze. Yeah, I was surprised to notice this a week or so ago when I was forced to run Netscape on a Sun box in a lab here on campus. I had completely forgotten how Netscape can suddenly disappear like it does. I greatly dislike how slow Mozilla is (I only started using it regularly on Linux after I got a very fast machine). Previously I used Konqueror quite a bit.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Get the facts first - you / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ can distort them later! \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Too bad Bonnies isn't open for dinner...mmm butter. ~jacque From dave at droyer.org Thu Oct 18 15:54:36 2001 From: dave at droyer.org (Dave Royer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GPS and linux In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDFF7@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDFF7@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <1003434938.2919.26.camel@merlin> I haven't actually tried it yet, but gpsdrive looks pretty cool. Check out http://freshmeat.net/projects/gpsdrive/ It uses maps downloaded from mapquest. He says it has been tested with a Garmin GPS III. I've got a Garmin Legend that I have been meaning to try out with this once I get some time! Dave -- David Royer PGP Key: 0xD2B7F23C PGP Fingerprint: 0467 2A1D 91F9 38AC 78EB 655F 259A A36F D2B7 F23C On Thu, 2001-10-18 at 14:05, Austad, Jay wrote: > Are there any mapping programs for Linux? > > I found http://www.gnomad-mapping.com, but they don't seem to have anything > I can download yet. I just want something I can hook my Garmin GPS up to, > and have it display a continuously updating map with my position on it. > Even better, if I could upload maps using it then I wouldn't have to use > Garmin's windows software. WINE chokes on anything related to a serial > port. > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Thu Oct 18 15:55:59 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... In-Reply-To: <20011018143340.B13581@chuck.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 02:33:40PM -0500 References: <3BCEE37E.2070501@slava.net> <20011018100407.C661@chuck.sistina.com> <20011018133724.N17220@wookimus.net> <20011018143340.B13581@chuck.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20011018150037.A24649@trammell.dyndns.org> On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 02:33:40PM -0500, Ben Lutgens wrote: > > debian bites. > ITYM debian bites. HTH, HAND. :-) -- johntrammell@yahoo.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You can read more at http://www.logilab.com/narval.html I'm going to try to get it running when I get some time. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From matthew at redroot.org Thu Oct 18 16:01:46 2001 From: matthew at redroot.org (matthew@redroot.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: YES... an emacs vi war... emacs SUCKS! vi rules! Thank you! mcd On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Yaron wrote: > Hey, > > On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Lorry wrote: > > > I already have to learn Lisp (and yes, Lisp, not Scheme... can't > > remember who asked that) so I'm not real fond of the idea of having to > > learn emacs on top of that. I've been using vi for a few years now and > > I'm not really an editor zealot. I use VI a hell of a lot more than I use > xemacs, when you get right down to it, and I think knowing how to use VI > is really, really important to anyone doing anything with UNIX. > > The thing about XEmacs is you really don't need to learn much - the whole > Insert-Mode/Command-Mode thing isn't there, there are pulldown menus and > you can use the mouse for cut/paste stuff. Of course, you CAN learn the > leyboard shortcuts. You _can_ go Ctrl-X Ctrl-S to save, but you can also > click on the Save icon or chose File|Save from the menus. My wife's been > using XEmacs for a few years (under Windoze too) and hasn't bothered to > learn ANY keyboard shortcuts, nor needed them apparently. > > As for LISP, Emacs and XEmacs pretty much have builtin LISP interperters. > You can totally interact and extend XEmacs with LISP. > > Then again I don't know LISP, and I only fire up Xemacs when I want to > edit multiple files or want pretty syntax hilighting and auto intenting. > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Oct 18 16:07:08 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: 7.2 default bootloader = GRUB In-Reply-To: References: <20011008231202.F31097@real-time.com> <20011009142541.B21884@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20011018151238.330ff260.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > If that's the reason, then certainly you should be able to enlighten > us more on *why* it's good. GRUB brings the x86 bootloader up to and possibly beyond the level of the Linux bootloaders on other architectures (MILO on Alpha, SILO on Sparc). GRUB can understand the ext2 filesystem, so if you overwrite your kernel with a new version, or just change a symbolic link when you get a new kernel, there's no need to re-create the bootloader. It also allows you to browse around the filesystem, and has nice things like tab-completion of filenames and devices.. It's probably the best bootloader for a mixed IDE/SCSI system (though there probably aren't too many of those floating around). My only complaint would be that GRUB is still a multi-stage bootloader, meaning that part of it exists at the head of your disk or partition. This little startup pice loads the (bigger) second stage from a file on a partition somewhere. If the file gets moved or deleted, the system probably won't boot. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I'm a firm believer in / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ the idea of a ruling \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) class, since I rule. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011018/d529752c/attachment.pgp From steveg at transition.com Thu Oct 18 16:10:33 2001 From: steveg at transition.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... Message-ID: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BC05B@postman.transition.com> >debian bites. And so it begins. From steveg at transition.com Thu Oct 18 16:11:56 2001 From: steveg at transition.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... Message-ID: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BC05C@postman.transition.com> You're having one of those days, aren't you Ben? -----Original Message----- From: Ben Lutgens [mailto:blutgens@sistina.com] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 2:44 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 02:12:23PM -0500, Brian wrote: > >I personally like using Yaron's method when choosing a distro: burn off >all the distros you're considering, throw them in the >dishwasher. Whichever one survives is the right one for you. If none >survive, stick with what you're running :-) > Or just don't install any of them and become a forest ranger and never ever ever touch a blasted computer again because they all suck. All software sucks, all computers suck. Everything sucks. Jeez, kinda liberating to just get it all out. From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Oct 18 16:13:20 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4.12 won't compile In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12 Oct 2001, Jon Schewe wrote: > I've tried this twice now, even untarred the file again and redid my config. > When I compile I get this: > > > make dep clean bzImage modules Perhaps I'm doing it the long way, but don't you have to 'make' before 'make bzImage'? > init/main.c:578: `PAGE_OFFSET' undeclared (first use in this function) > make: *** [init/main.o] Error 1 Odd. I just compiled 2.4.12 last night with no problems. What version of gcc are you running? Did you grab the tarball from kernel.org? -Brian From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Oct 18 16:14:46 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SFTP error Message-ID: I'm trying to get SFTP running on my server. I've got OpenSSH 2.9p1 installed. SSH works fine, but when I use any SFTP client I get the error "Received message too long 538981178" and SFTP exits. Any ideas on what's worng here? -Brian From thomas at stderr.net Thu Oct 18 16:24:32 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailing list server: Flame emails?? In-Reply-To: <20011014012307.B14057@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Sun, Oct 14, 2001 at 01:23:07AM -0500 References: <20011014012307.B14057@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011018223038.K36238@io.stderr.net> On Sun, Oct 14, 2001 at 01:23:07AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > I just got a couple of personal flame emails for my, I'm quoting here from one > such email, > > "... lack of concern that the mailing list server is down ..." [Snip] People could have checked the webpages where Bob were posting news on the matter or asked on irc what was up? Bob was there a few times to give us an update. Thanks Bob for all the work you and real-time do for the lug! -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Oct 18 16:25:50 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 02:41:46PM -0500 References: <3BCF22D4.2020803@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011018153119.A14155@chuck.sistina.com> On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 02:41:46PM -0500, Yaron wrote: >I'm not really an editor zealot. I use VI a hell of a lot more than I use >xemacs, when you get right down to it, and I think knowing how to use VI >is really, really important to anyone doing anything with UNIX. No, emacs sucks. Everyone who uses emacs should be banished to a far away place with no bandwidth. Emacs users are bad people. BAD I SAY. > >The thing about XEmacs is you really don't need to learn much - the whole >Insert-Mode/Command-Mode thing isn't there, there are pulldown menus and >you can use the mouse for cut/paste stuff. Of course, you CAN learn the >leyboard shortcuts. You _can_ go Ctrl-X Ctrl-S to save, but you can also >click on the Save icon or chose File|Save from the menus. My wife's been >using XEmacs for a few years (under Windoze too) and hasn't bothered to >learn ANY keyboard shortcuts, nor needed them apparently. > >As for LISP, Emacs and XEmacs pretty much have builtin LISP interperters. >You can totally interact and extend XEmacs with LISP. > >Then again I don't know LISP, and I only fire up Xemacs when I want to >edit multiple files or want pretty syntax hilighting and auto intenting. > >-Yaron > >-- > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Previously I used Konqueror > quite a bit.. before I got my new computer, I was running Galeon on a P166/48MB, quite happily. on the same machine, I sometimes found it faster to run Mozilla on a PIII-600 on the far end of a 64K ISDN line, and forward the X display, than to run it locally. :( Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Oct 18 16:29:57 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailing list server: Flame emails?? In-Reply-To: <20011014012307.B14057@real-time.com> References: <20011014012307.B14057@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011018152835.C8407@wookimus.net> OK. To whom ever is sending Bob hate-mail, "Bad form." We appreciate all the hard work and charity you provide to the LUG, and if anyone else says otherwise, I will quote the "What do ya know" program from NPR, "They're just itchin for a fight!" -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD From matthew at redroot.org Thu Oct 18 16:31:25 2001 From: matthew at redroot.org (matthew@redroot.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] beermeeting tonight In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I am new to the group... how will I be able to distinguish the LUG people from other geeky looking people.. just kidding... throw me a bone here people. mcd On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > Ok Since I haven't heard anything in awhile, I'm going to make the decision > that we should meet tonight at 6pm at the Green Mill on Hamline in St. Paul. > > You can find directions and what not here: > http://twincities.citysearch.com/profile/5523010/ > > Ok I'll see you there. Maybe we can head over to the Dubliner afterwards. > Too bad Bonnies isn't open for dinner...mmm butter. > > > ~jacque > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Oct 18 16:32:51 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] firewall choices In-Reply-To: References: <000b01c15021$7fc75fc0$840ef518@mn.mediaone.net> <20011008144747.B19274@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20011018153034.D8407@wookimus.net> On Tue, Oct 16, 2001 at 11:13:14AM -0500, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > When constructing my rulesets, I wasn't sure what icmp messages I > wanted to allow in. I ended up settling for allowing all icmp in, > baseed on some of the things I saw in the logs when I was more > selective. > > Are the various "unreachable" and "redirect" messages not useful? And > are they particularly risky to allow through? You can allow most, but you should disable "source-quench" and other qustionable use ones. Look at the IP-Tables and IP-Chains HOWTO's on http://www.linuxdoc.org or your documentation in /usr/share/doc/. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Oct 18 16:34:21 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailing list managers Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDFFC@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> I'm using EZMLM right now, and while it seems to work well, I need something that makes it easier to chop the lists up into multiple messages before going out. I just read some stuff on Smartlist, and it's little program called choplist which looks like it does what I want. Does Sympa or Mailman do anything like this? Whatever I get is going to have to handle about 20 lists with 150,000 to 400,000 subscribers each. Each list only goes out once per day, so it's not high traffic, just a lot of subscribers. The actual sending of the messages will be done through a heavily modified qmail setup (my smarthost cluster). But the list manager will still have to handle bounces. If I could set it up to where each outgoing message was split up into 16 messages with 1/16 of the subscribers on each one, that would be perfect, as my smarthost cluster has 4 slave servers that get messages distributed to them randomly (so 16 parts would distribute fairly evenly). Jay From nate at techie.com Thu Oct 18 16:35:44 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 02:41:46PM -0500 References: <3BCF22D4.2020803@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011018153656.A2266@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 02:41:46PM -0500, Yaron wrote: > Then again I don't know LISP, and I only fire up Xemacs when I want to > edit multiple files or want pretty syntax hilighting and auto intenting. Editing multiple files in ViM ViM does support split screen editing of multiple files. The multi-window functions are hidden behind the ^W key. ^W-s Split the current window ^W-_ Maximize the current window ^W-= Make all windows the same size ^W-w Switch to the next window ^W-c Close the current window :help X_wi for more information Syntax highlighting in ViM ViM also has syntax highlighting for many different file formats. ViM identifies file syntax by the file extension. :sy on Turn on syntax highlighting :sy off Turn off syntax highlighting Syntax highlighting becomes much easier if you use the graphical ViM interface, gvim or vim -g. There should be a menu which allows you to pick the syntax highlighting you want. Note: These features must be compiled into your copy of ViM. Some evil distributions (like RedHat) install a vim-minimal package by default which doesn't have these awesome features. If you only have vim-minimal installed, install vim-enhanced or vim-X11 instead. Nate (Hopefully) reducing Emacs use by showing off ViM features. From uak at nerp.net Thu Oct 18 16:37:06 2001 From: uak at nerp.net (Ursula A. Kallio) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vi vs. emacs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: vi: "Place your shield emacs, this is vi speaking!" emacs: "Help!," Help!" uak On Thu, 18 Oct 2001 matthew@redroot.org wrote: > YES... an emacs vi war... From jim at bleedpurple.com Thu Oct 18 16:38:45 2001 From: jim at bleedpurple.com (BleedPurpleGuy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bitchin' 'bout beermeetin' References: <20011018112857.0094fd91.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <004b01c15814$7d265960$99c0a8c0@jherrick> I'm there... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Layer" To: Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 11:28 AM Subject: [TCLUG] bitchin' 'bout beermeetin' > Does a downed list constitute sufficient cause to reschedule a beermeeting? > > Shall we improvise and have one anyway? How about the Dubliner Pub, on University & Cretin / Vandalia.. No food, but good beers, decent scotch selection and maybe even a little Irish music. If there is a different venue preferred, say so. > > If we can get half a dozen 'yesses', let's do it... > > Bill > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From chrome at real-time.com Thu Oct 18 16:40:09 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDFF6@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 01:39:39PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDFF6@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011018153725.B32410@real-time.com> > Mandrake rules. I've been using it pretty much exclusively for workstations > for the past 2 years or so, and it's very nice to work with. 8.0 had some > nasty bugs, but 8.1 has fixed them, and adds a ton of useful features. I've always heard that Mandrake was a really newbie-friendly distro. I admit to little experience with it, tho. 1. I have a copy of Mandrake 5.3, signed by Linus Torvalds himself. I installed it once, and it was pretty much Red Hat relabled. 2. I tried Mandrake's firewall sub-distro (Mandrake 7.2-based); and aside from the (fairly good) firewall aspects, didn't see anything that recommended it over RedHat for me. I'm honestly curious tho; what do you see as advantages of Mandrake over RedHat? Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Thu Oct 18 16:41:37 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... In-Reply-To: ; from matthew@redroot.org on Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 03:05:56PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20011018153803.C32410@real-time.com> > YES... an emacs vi war... > > emacs SUCKS! vi rules! you forgot to invoke Hitler. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From ray at lctn.k12.mn.us Thu Oct 18 16:44:09 2001 From: ray at lctn.k12.mn.us (root) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need help setting up gnats Message-ID: <3BCF3C15.BD55D2A0@lctn.k12.mn.us> I am trying to install gnats. I am up to this point http://sources.redhat.com/gnats/3_113_manual/gnats_4.html#SEC56 on this paragraph: 3.Place the following lines in the file `default.el' in your Emacs lisp library, or instruct your local responsible parties to place the lines in their `.emacs': (autoload 'edit-pr "gnats" "Command to edit a problem report." t) (autoload 'view-pr "gnats" "Command to view a problem report." t) (autoload 'unlock-pr "gnats" "Unlock a problem report." t) (autoload 'query-pr "gnats" "Command to query information about problem reports." t) (autoload 'send-pr-mode "send-pr" "Major mode for sending problem reports." t) (autoload 'send-pr "send-pr" "Command to create and send a problem report." t) I am not sure if I am to create this file or expect to find it. If it is supposed to be there, I do not have it. I am using Red Hat 7.1, and cannot be sure the default paths for the program will work for me. So far it seems like everything went the way it should. I have placed the gnats-3.113 in /home. I could use some help from someone that knows Red Hat, and can verify I am executing each step properly. Thanks in advance. Raymond Norton LCTN From gmcdavid at winternet.com Thu Oct 18 16:45:32 2001 From: gmcdavid at winternet.com (Glenn McDavid) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Oct 2001 matthew@redroot.org wrote: > YES... an emacs vi war... Quite a thread here--It has provoked three of the great flame wars.... Which editor? Which distribution? Which browser? Glenn McDavid mailto:gmcdavid@winternet.com http://www.winternet.com/~gmcdavid From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Oct 18 16:47:04 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011018154031.A4579@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 03:05:56PM -0500, matthew@redroot.org wrote: > YES... an emacs vi war... > > emacs SUCKS! vi rules! > > Thank you! This THREAD rocks! Its a browser flame war! Its an editor flame war! Its a distro flame war. It slices! It dices! It ties your shoes! For an added bonus, the list server seems a little lagged still from catching up (BTW Bob you rock - don't let the bastards get you down), so people are talking past each other. It brings back memories of when I actually read news groups regularly. Anyone want to start a flame war on whether or not Heinlein is a fascist? Please? Anyway. Go mozilla! Go vim! Go Debian! -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org Cookies are tasty! |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://freesklyarov.org/ From duncan at sodatrain.com Thu Oct 18 16:49:45 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mysql Prermissions for a backup user References: Message-ID: <3BCF3F86.4030705@sodatrain.com> Hello- Im trying to setup a mysql backup perl script that will dump the databases... I want to give it a `backup` user with a backupuser password... What privledges are needed by a user to dump tables? the password will be in a plaintext script... and i want to keep the perms low to reduce the risk. thanks duncan From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Thu Oct 18 16:53:33 2001 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailing list server: Flame emails?? Message-ID: <011018155350.2035799e@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Hi I find it surprising that such abuse would come from a group of people with the credentials found here. You should ALL know better. You get free, good service and bitch when there's a problem and it's not resolved in as timely a fashion as you would like. Sheeeesh.....! Were it I, I'd've unsubbed you. Kudos on a job well done. Ed Hoeffner 1-271 BSBE 312 Church St. SE Mpls, MN 55455 hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu 612-625-2115 612-625-2163 fax From cgahlon at citilink.com Thu Oct 18 16:55:36 2001 From: cgahlon at citilink.com (Christopher Gahlon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] firewall choices References: <000b01c15021$7fc75fc0$840ef518@mn.mediaone.net> <20011008144747.B19274@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <3BCF424A.119063A9@citilink.com> This might help... http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/IPCHAINS-HOWTO.html#ICMP Recommended reading: Linux Firewalls http://www.linux-firewall-tools.com/linux/ It covers your questions better than the how-to. Chris Gahlon David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > I've changed the subject since I'm grabbing one minor point (of > concern to me) out of your larger message on constructing a bastion > host. > > "Chad C. Walstrom" writes: > > > Other Configuration Needs: > > o Use iptables to block all incoming TCP and UDP connections > > except for: > > - tcp port 25 (smtp) > > - non-syn tcp packets (IOW, TCP replies from an established > > connection to another machine) > > - icmp ping-reply > > That last point. My own servers run exposed to the net, and I'm > running packet filtering on them as backup for simply disabling > services I don't want people reaching. > > When constructing my rulesets, I wasn't sure what icmp messages I > wanted to allow in. I ended up settling for allowing all icmp in, > baseed on some of the things I saw in the logs when I was more > selective. > > Are the various "unreachable" and "redirect" messages not useful? And > are they particularly risky to allow through? > > (And I definitely want to allow echo-request in; I want to be > pingable.) > -- > David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / Ghugle: the Fannish Ghod of Queries > Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ > Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Oct 18 17:00:44 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailing list server: Flame emails?? In-Reply-To: <20011014012307.B14057@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Sun, Oct 14, 2001 at 01:23:07AM -0500 References: <20011014012307.B14057@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011018160754.A14577@chuck.sistina.com> On Sun, Oct 14, 2001 at 01:23:07AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: >First, like many linux or open source things, I volunteer my time. Maintaining >the list server for the lug is something I want to do. It's something I like to >do, but it's not my job. It doesn't pay the bills. Please think of these things >before you flame me for the list server being offline. As a person who maintains linux related mailing lists Bob, I feel your pain, and I for one am sorry that people feel the need to suck. > >Second, Real Time donated (as in free beer) the list server to be used for the >lug. Real Time also donates the connectivity, the monitor, the switch port, the >power, blah, blah, etc, to keep the list server online. Telling me I don't care >are the lug is just plain wrong. Given the current economy this is an even greater gift from real-time, and I thank you from the bottom of my small, cold, black, fellow sysadmin heart. If people can't understand or appreciate it then they need to start they're own list and see for themselves. > >Third, the drive replacement is going out of Real Time's bottom line. Yes, Real >Time took a drive from it's replacement stock and gave it to the lug. Which >means, in the end Real Time will have to purchase a new drive to put on the >shelf to replace the one donated. So there cold hard cash involved to get the >list server operational. Please think of these things before you send me email >calling me a "... cheap bastard ..." Wrong, just plain wrong. >I normally let these things slide by. Getting hate mail is part of being an >admin. Mostly it's from people who have never been a admin for a large number of >users and do not appreciate the work involved in running a network. Like Clay >says, you are either invisible or in trouble. You're not in trouble. We understand (at least those of us who are also in the trenches) that all hardware sucks, and that software very rarely behaves the way it should. >I know I'm in trouble :-), but like all good admins, you -know- when you are in >trouble, you don't need everyone else telling you about it. > >I'll step off my soap box now... Hell no! Get your ass back up there! There's more to say!! > > > >-- >Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 >http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 >Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We can in theory make donations to the LUG that'll go toward new hardware the LUG can use, etc. I'm leaving this as a very, very vague and general proposal on purpose. I'm sure we all want the LUG to be non-profit and never require any membership fees or stuff like that, but I think it'd be nice to support the LUG. Does anyone think there's a practical way to do this? Can anyone think of other ways individual LUG members can help support the LUG beyond what we already have setup? -Yaron -- From drew at usfamily.net Thu Oct 18 17:04:29 2001 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vi vs. emacs References: Message-ID: <3BCF45F8.F98C5335@usfamily.net> What is this bull? VI hands down "Ursula A. Kallio" wrote: > vi: "Place your shield emacs, this is vi speaking!" > emacs: "Help!," Help!" > > uak > > On Thu, 18 Oct 2001 matthew@redroot.org wrote: > > > YES... an emacs vi war... > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Oct 18 17:05:57 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] beermeeting tonight In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Oct 2001 matthew@redroot.org wrote: > I am new to the group... how will I be able to distinguish the LUG people > from other geeky looking people.. just kidding... throw me a bone here > people. You'll know. You'll just know. Trust me. Your best bet is to wander around looking really lost and confused until someone asks you if you're looking for us. The lost geek is a lot easier to spot than the found geek, we'll see ya. From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Oct 18 17:08:30 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDFFE@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Earlier versions of Mandrake were based on Redhat, however, they are their own distro now. About the only similarity to redhat is the use of RPMs for package management. Much of the Mandrake setup is automated so you don't have to dink around with config files as much, and their desktop environments (both Gnome and KDE) are very nicely set up with menus that auto update when you install software using RPMs. It's very polished too, little things like Aurora (Mac like startup with Icons that appear when booting), gcc has a nice wrapper that will highlight warnings and errors with red text when compiling. Everything just fits together nicely. 8.0 was a good attempt at it, but contained many bugs. 8.1 has no major showstoppers like 8.0 did, adds many more features (like "dynamic" which adds icons to your desktop when you plug in certain USB devices or PCMCIA cards). It's also the first distro to use devfs and come with support for ReiserFS, XFS, JFS, and ext3 (of which you can install using any of these, though it defaults to ext2). Download it, install it, if you don't like it, I'll give you your money back. :) Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom [mailto:chrome@real-time.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 3:37 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... > > > > Mandrake rules. I've been using it pretty much exclusively for > > workstations for the past 2 years or so, and it's very nice to work > > with. 8.0 had some nasty bugs, but 8.1 has fixed them, and > adds a ton > > of useful features. > > I've always heard that Mandrake was a really newbie-friendly > distro. I admit to little experience with it, tho. > > 1. I have a copy of Mandrake 5.3, signed by Linus Torvalds > himself. I installed it once, and it was pretty much Red Hat relabled. > > 2. I tried Mandrake's firewall sub-distro (Mandrake > 7.2-based); and aside from the (fairly good) firewall > aspects, didn't see anything that recommended it over RedHat for me. > > I'm honestly curious tho; what do you see as advantages of > Mandrake over RedHat? > > Carl Soderstrom > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Oct 18 17:09:54 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... In-Reply-To: <20011018145135.02977591.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 02:51:35PM -0500 References: <3BCEF760.6060708@slava.net> <20011018145135.02977591.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011018154623.A14349@chuck.sistina.com> On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 02:51:35PM -0500, Mike Hicks wrote: >Yeah, I was surprised to notice this a week or so ago when I was forced to >run Netscape on a Sun box in a lab here on campus. I had completely >forgotten how Netscape can suddenly disappear like it does. Disappearing is good compared to locking X up solid like it used to do to me. Man I do NOT miss netscape 4.x at all. > >I greatly dislike how slow Mozilla is (I only started using it regularly >on Linux after I got a very fast machine). Previously I used Konqueror >quite a bit.. > >-- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Get the facts first - you >/ \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ can distort them later! >\_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) >[ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011018/a6ef05db/attachment.pgp From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Oct 18 17:12:43 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SFTP error In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Oct 2001, Brian wrote: > I'm trying to get SFTP running on my server. I've got OpenSSH 2.9p1 > installed. SSH works fine, but when I use any SFTP client I get the > error "Received message too long 538981178" and SFTP exits. Any ideas on > what's worng here? That's old news :-) I've since upgraded to OpenSSH 2.9.9, same error. -Brian From steveg at transition.com Thu Oct 18 17:14:12 2001 From: steveg at transition.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailing list server: Flame emails?? Message-ID: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BC05D@postman.transition.com> I can't beleive anyone would really be stupid enough to send you hate mail over this. If you had to pay to be a member of TCLUG it would be a different story. Talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth. I for one thank you for the time and effort. Thanks Bob. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 1:23 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Mailing list server: Flame emails?? I just got a couple of personal flame emails for my, I'm quoting here from one such email, "... lack of concern that the mailing list server is down ..." -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Oct 18 17:15:48 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... In-Reply-To: <20011018150037.A24649@trammell.dyndns.org>; from trammell@trammell.dyndns.org on Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 03:00:37PM -0500 References: <3BCEE37E.2070501@slava.net> <20011018100407.C661@chuck.sistina.com> <20011018133724.N17220@wookimus.net> <20011018143340.B13581@chuck.sistina.com> <20011018150037.A24649@trammell.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20011018160955.B14577@chuck.sistina.com> On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 03:00:37PM -0500, John J. Trammell wrote: >ITYM > >debian bites. > >HTH, HAND. :-) God you suck! Why ruin the fun! I was soo looking forward to it. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011018/9b3e89e8/attachment.pgp From uak at nerp.net Thu Oct 18 17:17:24 2001 From: uak at nerp.net (Ursula A. Kallio) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer In-Reply-To: <004b01c15814$7d265960$99c0a8c0@jherrick> Message-ID: Add 2 more please. uak From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Oct 18 17:19:47 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4.12 won't compile In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011018161720.4c4713ec.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Jon Schewe wrote: > > I've tried this twice now, even untarred the file again and redid my > config. When I compile I get this: What version of gcc are you using to compile? I think the kernel currently plays nicest with 2.95.x. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Don't confuse me with the / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ facts. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Any tcfreenet people online? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From rahrenstorff at yahoo.com Thu Oct 18 17:26:01 2001 From: rahrenstorff at yahoo.com (Rodd Email) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bastion host project... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: And the name of these "security-oriented mail-relay packages" would be? This is exactly what we need. I'm still investigating this matter so thanks for the info... -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of David Dyer-Bennet Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 11:16 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Bastion host project... Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) writes: > Actually, size of box really depends on what you want to do feature-wise. If > the job of the box is just to relay mail you don't need much of a box at all. > A 486 can sit on a public IP and relay mail just fine. Yeah, the sizes of some of the boxes described strike me as grotesque overkill on the assumption that simple relaying is what's wanted. Rather than a full-featured MTA, wouldn't it be better to use one of the security-oriented mail-relay packages oriented towards living in DMZs and just doing relaying? -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / Ghugle: the Fannish Ghod of Queries Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Rodney.Ray at childrenshc.org Thu Oct 18 17:35:37 2001 From: Rodney.Ray at childrenshc.org (Rodney Ray) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] firewall choices Message-ID: I have been looking at some firewall stuff and found some good info, thought I would pass them on: Firewall -> http://www.smoothwall.org Good book Linux Firewalls by Robert L. Ziegler ( includes scripts) >>> cgahlon@citilink.com 10/18/01 3:57:46 PM >>> This might help... http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/IPCHAINS-HOWTO.html#ICMP Recommended reading: Linux Firewalls http://www.linux-firewall-tools.com/linux/ It covers your questions better than the how-to. Chris Gahlon David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > I've changed the subject since I'm grabbing one minor point (of > concern to me) out of your larger message on constructing a bastion > host. > > "Chad C. Walstrom" writes: > > > Other Configuration Needs: > > o Use iptables to block all incoming TCP and UDP connections > > except for: > > - tcp port 25 (smtp) > > - non-syn tcp packets (IOW, TCP replies from an established > > connection to another machine) > > - icmp ping-reply > > That last point. My own servers run exposed to the net, and I'm > running packet filtering on them as backup for simply disabling > services I don't want people reaching. > > When constructing my rulesets, I wasn't sure what icmp messages I > wanted to allow in. I ended up settling for allowing all icmp in, > baseed on some of the things I saw in the logs when I was more > selective. > > Are the various "unreachable" and "redirect" messages not useful? And > are they particularly risky to allow through? > > (And I definitely want to allow echo-request in; I want to be > pingable.) > -- > David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / Ghugle: the Fannish Ghod of Queries > Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ > Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Oct 18 17:41:23 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... In-Reply-To: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BC05C@postman.transition.com>; from steveg@transition.com on Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 03:15:32PM -0500 References: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BC05C@postman.transition.com> Message-ID: <20011018164129.A14830@chuck.sistina.com> On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 03:15:32PM -0500, Steve Grobe wrote: >You're having one of those days, aren't you Ben? Hehe. Actually I'm not. It just sounded funny to say. I was able to make a FreeBSD NIS Master work with both FreeBSD and Linux NIS clients so all in all it's a good day. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Ben Lutgens [mailto:blutgens@sistina.com] >Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 2:44 PM >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... > > >On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 02:12:23PM -0500, Brian wrote: >> >>I personally like using Yaron's method when choosing a distro: burn off >>all the distros you're considering, throw them in the >>dishwasher. Whichever one survives is the right one for you. If none >>survive, stick with what you're running :-) >> >Or just don't install any of them and become a forest ranger and never ever >ever touch a blasted computer again because they all suck. All software >sucks, all computers suck. Everything sucks. > >Jeez, kinda liberating to just get it all out. >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011018/ea4ed7ba/attachment.pgp From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Oct 18 17:43:54 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... In-Reply-To: <20011018153725.B32410@real-time.com> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDFF6@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20011018153725.B32410@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011018162209.07692a66.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > 1. I have a copy of Mandrake 5.3, signed by Linus Torvalds himself. I > installed it once, and it was pretty much Red Hat relabled. Wasn't that one of the very first versions of Mandrake, where it was basically just RedHat with KDE slapped on top? 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Jon From thomas at stderr.net Thu Oct 18 17:54:03 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mysql Prermissions for a backup user In-Reply-To: <3BCF3F86.4030705@sodatrain.com>; from duncan@sodatrain.com on Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 03:45:58PM -0500 References: <3BCF3F86.4030705@sodatrain.com> Message-ID: <20011018235446.A44574@io.stderr.net> On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 03:45:58PM -0500, duncan wrote: > Hello- > > Im trying to setup a mysql backup perl script that will dump the > databases... I want to give it a `backup` user with a backupuser > password... What privledges are needed by a user to dump tables? The databases you want 'backup' to have select-only access to has to be listed in the mysql root users 'db' table. Like: insert into db (host,db,user,select_priv) values ('localhost','backupdb', 'backup','Y'); and flush privileges; > the password will be in a plaintext script... and i want to keep the > perms low to reduce the risk. Have you looked at mysqldump that comes with mysql? -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From jacque at fruitioninc.com Thu Oct 18 17:55:31 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:44 2005 Subject: LUG Involvement (Was: Re: [TCLUG] Mailing list server: Flame emails??) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ah yes we do have a treasurer, but we don't have any treasure. There's no account or anything. We haven't solicited donations and we don't ask for dues. We're not a registered non-profit. I thinking chipping in to buy a new drive would be a great idea. Might be a good idea to open the offical TCLUG account, maybe then we could have enough cash to rent a place for our installfest, etc. Since we're not registered as a non-profit, I don't think anyone would be able to (legally) deduct their donations. ~j > > > > Third, the drive replacement is going out of Real Time's bottom line. > > I for one totally appreciate Real Time, and in perticular Bob's personal > efforts on behalf of the LUG. But wouldn't it be nice if we all got > involved? > > We can't ALL maintain the mailing list, or web server, etc. But how about > chipping in and buying a new drive to replace the old one? We do have a > LUG Treasuror (sp?). We can in theory make donations to the LUG that'll go > toward new hardware the LUG can use, etc. > > > From spencer at mail.autonomous.tv Thu Oct 18 17:56:55 2001 From: spencer at mail.autonomous.tv (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer In-Reply-To: ; from uak@nerp.net on Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 04:09:42PM -0500 References: <004b01c15814$7d265960$99c0a8c0@jherrick> Message-ID: <20011018105737.A27169@mail.autonomous.tv> On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 04:09:42PM -0500, Ursula A. Kallio wrote: > Add 2 more please. > uak If'n I can get a ride, I'm there. where is there again??? -- SpencerUnderground no flame From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Oct 18 18:02:54 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need help setting up gnats In-Reply-To: <3BCF3C15.BD55D2A0@lctn.k12.mn.us> References: <3BCF3C15.BD55D2A0@lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <20011018170550.E8407@wookimus.net> On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 03:31:17PM -0500, root wrote: > > I am trying to install gnats. I am up to this point > > http://sources.redhat.com/gnats/3_113_manual/gnats_4.html#SEC56 > > on this paragraph: > > 3.Place the following lines in the file `default.el' in your Emacs lisp > library, or instruct your local responsible parties to place > the lines in their `.emacs': You actually don't need the gnats.el to run gnats. It's just a nice mode to help you edit problem reports. I'm not familiar with either Red Hat or really Emacs (anymore). Sorry. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Ugh, can't find it. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Oct 18 18:05:58 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Tcwug down Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE003@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Bob, sure you know about this, but the tcwug list is still down. Thanks for all your hard work. In any case, I just tried to post a link to it that's fairly interesting: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/10/18/1716222&mode=nested Jay From tanner at real-time.com Thu Oct 18 18:07:26 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.2 Update In-Reply-To: ; from chuck@redroot.org on Sun, Oct 14, 2001 at 11:57:53AM -0500 References: <20011008230956.E31097@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011018172233.F24491@real-time.com> Quoting Chuck Milam (chuck@redroot.org): > > On Mon, 8 Oct 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > I'm hearing Oct 15th for the official release date. > > So, at midnight tonight? ;-) I believe it got moved to the 20th or 22nd now. Go figure. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Oct 18 18:09:17 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailing list server: Flame emails?? In-Reply-To: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BC05D@postman.transition.com> Message-ID: Hey, On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Steve Grobe wrote: > Talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth. Great, now you made me hungry. -Yaron -- From eric at urbanrage.com Thu Oct 18 18:11:46 2001 From: eric at urbanrage.com (eric) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vi vs. emacs References: Message-ID: <3BCF4EAC.59930CBF@urbanrage.com> "Ursula A. Kallio" wrote: > > vi: "Place your shield emacs, this is vi speaking!" > emacs: "Help!," Help!" > > uak > > On Thu, 18 Oct 2001 matthew@redroot.org wrote: > > > YES... an emacs vi war... > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list There is no war, vi was sucked into emacs years ago :) Meta-X viper Eric From tanner at real-time.com Thu Oct 18 18:25:02 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.2 Update In-Reply-To: ; from erikh@headwaterssoftware.com on Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 09:41:24AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20011018172424.G24491@real-time.com> Quoting Erik Hanson (erikh@headwaterssoftware.com): > Well, it is not out yet, anyone have any other info on it? I have the official redhat-mirror mailing list being directed to a local mailing list. You can either join it or browse it online. https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-mirror -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Oct 18 18:26:38 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Xinerama issues: Render, TrueType, and dots-per-inch Message-ID: <20011018172702.5f8f75b4.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> The browser thread reminded me that I've been having issues getting Render support working in XFree86 4.x. Has anyone had success with it when running Xinerama? When I've tried to do it, it has usually locked up the X server. A somewhat related issue is that I've had trouble with TrueType fonts drawing improperly, since I've had to play some strange tricks to get certain programs to understand that my displays have (nearly) square pixels. When I use TrueType fonts, they look to be about half as wide as they should be. On the other hand, if I remove the measures I've put in (adding DisplaySize parameters to the Monitor sections in XF86Config), many other applications act strangely. gv renders postscript twice as wide as it should, and I've Xine (DVD player) and other apps do similar things. Any thoughts, solutions, pointers, etc., appreciated.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Why do scientists call it / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ research when looking \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) for something new? [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's going slow, but going. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Oct 18 18:29:29 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Status update In-Reply-To: <20011018101137.C13227@beaver.iucha.org>; from florin@iucha.net on Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 10:11:38AM -0500 References: <20011016224008.Y5664@real-time.com> <20011018101137.C13227@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20011018172956.J24491@real-time.com> Quoting Florin Iucha (florin@iucha.net): > Looks like you missed the procmail presentation, and you really need it... > It's still processing the queues, I'm sure it will show up eventually. There are 5125 queued message and 296 active smtp links :-) the box is working hard. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Oct 18 18:38:30 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hardware sale Message-ID: <20011018174651.O24491@real-time.com> I have the ability to get: 3 - 15 port autosensing 100VG hubs 46 - 100VG network cards For $155.55, anyone I'd be willing to buy the whole thing and resell them at sightly above cost :-P So, that would be $5 per 100VG network card $10 per 100VG hub Don't know what VG is? http://www.io.com/~richardr/vg/vgfaq.htm This stuff would work great in your house. :-) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From spencer at mail.autonomous.tv Thu Oct 18 18:40:04 2001 From: spencer at mail.autonomous.tv (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bitchin' 'bout beermeetin' In-Reply-To: ; from jacque@fruitioninc.com on Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 12:02:17PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20011018115226.A27675@mail.autonomous.tv> Does anyone want to give me a lift to the beer meeting this evening? I'll buy you a beer! Let me know. irc.openprojects.net #tclug AAA -- SpencerUndergrund From tanner at real-time.com Thu Oct 18 18:44:07 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: 7.2 default bootloader = GRUB In-Reply-To: ; from dd-b@dd-b.net on Tue, Oct 16, 2001 at 11:19:36AM -0500 References: <20011008231202.F31097@real-time.com> <20011009142541.B21884@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20011018172624.H24491@real-time.com> Quoting David Dyer-Bennet (dd-b@dd-b.net): > > I've been using grub for months on over a hundred machines? :) > > If that's the reason, then certainly you should be able to enlighten > us more on *why* it's good. Wow, GRUB is very nice. I prefer it over LILO. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From chrome at real-time.com Thu Oct 18 18:56:02 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... In-Reply-To: <20011018162209.07692a66.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 04:22:09PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDFF6@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20011018153725.B32410@real-time.com> <20011018162209.07692a66.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011018175704.D10786@real-time.com> > Wasn't that one of the very first versions of Mandrake, where it was > basically just RedHat with KDE slapped on top? They've definitely made > other improvements since then. I think the first was Mandrake 5.0 or something. maybe 5.1. I think that's the first I ever heard of it; but memory fails when regarding such ancient history. Carl. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From fish at slava.net Thu Oct 18 19:00:37 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... References: Message-ID: <3BCF606A.4090306@slava.net> Holy piss, people! I go to class for a couple hours, and this is what I come home to.... Hope y'all (I can say that, cuz I'm from the south) are having fun at the beer meeting. Gotta go do non-drinking-beer type things for a while.... Lorry P.S. War is bad. :) Glenn McDavid wrote: >On Thu, 18 Oct 2001 matthew@redroot.org wrote: > >>YES... an emacs vi war... >> > >Quite a thread here--It has provoked three of the great flame wars.... > Which editor? > Which distribution? > Which browser? > >Glenn McDavid >mailto:gmcdavid@winternet.com >http://www.winternet.com/~gmcdavid > > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From natecars at real-time.com Thu Oct 18 19:02:24 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Tcwug down In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE003@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > Bob, sure you know about this, but the tcwug list is still down. Thanks for > all your hard work. > > In any case, I just tried to post a link to it that's fairly interesting: > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/10/18/1716222&mode=nested Fixed it. Gotta hate it when backup tapes don't work.. :( -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jim at bleedpurple.com Thu Oct 18 19:04:31 2001 From: jim at bleedpurple.com (BleedPurpleGuy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hardware sale References: <20011018174651.O24491@real-time.com> Message-ID: <004401c1582a$da0eac70$99c0a8c0@jherrick> Bob, Can you hold one hub and 8 cards for me? Thanks! Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Tanner" To: Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 5:46 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Hardware sale > I have the ability to get: > > 3 - 15 port autosensing 100VG hubs > 46 - 100VG network cards > > For $155.55, anyone I'd be willing to buy the whole thing and resell them at > sightly above cost :-P > > So, that would be > > $5 per 100VG network card > $10 per 100VG hub > > Don't know what VG is? > > http://www.io.com/~richardr/vg/vgfaq.htm > > This stuff would work great in your house. :-) > > > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jstauffer at baldwin-telecom.net Thu Oct 18 19:17:44 2001 From: jstauffer at baldwin-telecom.net (James Stauffer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Steve Ballard seems to have a virus Message-ID: <3BC7751B.8D2C038E@baldwin-telecom.net> I received an email from Steve Ballard with an attachment that had a virus. I think he got my address from either the MB or TCLUG list so I wanted to warn you. http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.magistr.39921@mm.html From Ben at WorksCited.Net Thu Oct 18 19:21:36 2001 From: Ben at WorksCited.Net (Ben Stallings) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake on a P100? In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20011011101311.02143370@127.0.0.1> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20011011101311.02143370@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <01101312033703.00719@Romana> Hello again. I'm trying to figure out whether it makes sense for me to install Linux (probably Mandrake, with all the bells & whistles) on a 100 MHz Pentium that can only handle 128 MB of RAM, or if I'm just fooling myself. In particular I'm concerned that OpenOffice might not be usable on such a machine, since it's barely usable on my 233 MHz PowerBook. Thoughts? Related question: Is there a retailer in town that sells used/rebuilt PII boxes *without* peripherals and *without* an OS installed? I've been frequenting Midwest Electronics, but all his PII boxes come with Win2K. --Ben (still new to this stuff...) From clarson at iaxs.net Thu Oct 18 19:24:10 2001 From: clarson at iaxs.net (Chester Larson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] email progs -- HELP! References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF8B@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <002501c153d8$76ebf0e0$c58486d1@default> Is there a problem with email? I haven't gotten any mail in two days from TCLUG. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Austad, Jay" To: Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 11:13 AM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] email progs -- HELP! > Kmail works quite well. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hans P. Christianson [mailto:hans@friedchicken.org] > Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 11:54 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] email progs -- HELP! > > > I found a nice howto telling you how to replace sendmail with qmail. I've > been running that for a few months now and I love it. It also works well > with fetchmail. Your .fetchmailrc should have the line > > poll your.mail.server user "username" pass "password" smtpname > "your.local.mail" > > I think I remember it not working without the quotes. This should work > regardless of whether you use sendmail, qmail or whatever. > > --- > H. P. Christianson > 20 NE Second St. #1005 > Minneapolis, MN 55413 > (612) 327-6654 > hans@friedchicken.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dd-b at dd-b.net Thu Oct 18 19:25:42 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman archives (suckage) In-Reply-To: <20011011033211.D16071@real-time.com> References: <20011011033211.D16071@real-time.com> Message-ID: Bob Tanner writes: > Here is my plea to the list again. :-) > > As I sit around waiting for Sprint to call back, I started to go through my list > of low priority tasks. After buying a Ferrari, was mailman archives. > > My last post was about how mailman stores all posts in mbox format(!), yet 1 big > o'file. And pipermail plows through the file to generate the date, thread, raw > and compress raw archives. Not the best design in the world. > > My first problem is several of the mailing lists have mbox-es approaching the > magical 2Gb size. The work around of that will be to go reiserfs or ext3 for the > large file support. > > The second problem was backing the mbox files up. On a very active list, the > mbox is changing so it's hard to get a clean backup. Don't know if reiserfs or > ext3 have snapshot capabilities or if I have to do lvm or, or, or. But I got > around this by not allow pipermail to run from 2am - 7am so the backup can dump > everything. > > So any mailing list packages that are like mailman, but using a relational > database on the backside for archives? > > I think that would be idea. Well, I'm not sure that "like Mailman" is accurate. But ezmlm+idx (which requires qmail to work, which may be another problem for you) handles archives very well IMHO. I'm using the filesystem version, where the archives are divided among directories (100 files per directory). There is an SQL version as well, but I have not used it; I don't know if that moves the archives to the database, or only the mailing list subscription (and pending) information. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / Ghugle: the Fannish Ghod of Queries Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From john at mn.mediaone.net Thu Oct 18 19:35:01 2001 From: john at mn.mediaone.net (johndmiller) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Port Forwarding Message-ID: I am running coyote. I also have at&t broadband as an isp. AT&T, as far as I know, is still blocking port 80 (and probably will). I would like to allow web request to port 8080 and have coyote forward it to port 80 and send it to the serve, whose address is 192.168.0.4. I have the following line in the rc.masquerade script /sbin/ipmasqadm portfw -a -P tcp -L ${IPADDR} 8080 -R 192.168.0.4 80 when I run ./rc.masquerade I get "portfw: illegal local.address/ port specified" What am I doing wrong. TIA John Miller From fertch at mninter.net Thu Oct 18 19:45:05 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need trouble ticket tracking program/server References: <0ed801c152b1$56d76410$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> <20011011192325.A29755@visi.com> Message-ID: <3BCBF650.8050507@mninter.net> Michael Burns wrote: > >Request Tracker is free software. > >The URL is http://fsck.com/projects/rt/ > > This looks pretty good. Anyone have some long term in-depth experience with this? I'm trying to get my company off of McCrappy's Helpdesk suicide software. From tanner at real-time.com Thu Oct 18 19:49:19 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fwd: ADMIN: release date is solid Message-ID: <20011012110108.I9172@real-time.com> ----- Forwarded message from Matthew Galgoci ----- Launch of Redhat 7.2 > Hi Folks, > > Just a quick update. > > The launch date is set to be October 22nd, at 8:00am EST (-5/GMT). > > I do not believe that this date and time will change. > > On monday, October 22nd at about 7:00am I will send out the 20 minute > warning message to this list. > > At about 7:20am, I will change the permissions and begin pushing the > changes out. > > By 8:00am, the release should be public. I will send out another message > when this is done. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net Thu Oct 18 19:57:47 2001 From: markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The joys of an integrated application References: <3BC63D5F.5000702@slava.net> Message-ID: <000301c15382$5b3f1800$1e02a8c0@zippy> In this article the Author explores the inherent security risk of a poorly written application (outlook) tightly coupled to both the operating system and a powerful mail interface. http://www.zdnet.com/feeds/cgi/framer/hud00025A0/chkpt.zdnet.com/chkpt/zdnbm snecm01/www.zdnet.com/techupdate/stories/main/0,14179,2814683,00.html Alas, he did not explore the additional risk due to closed source plagued by rampant feature creep. And don't even get me started on the broad disregard for widely known security standards. Oh, and he recomends that NO corporate desktop should be running outlook. Mark Browne Walking off mumbling to himself.... From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Oct 18 20:00:04 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... In-Reply-To: <3BCF606A.4090306@slava.net>; from fish@slava.net on Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 06:06:18PM -0500 References: <3BCF606A.4090306@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011018185945.A884@chuck> On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 06:06:18PM -0500, Lorry wrote: >P.S. War is bad. :) You're not allowed to say that unless one of two criteria is met. 1.) you've been in combat 2.) you add an mmmkay on the end like Mr. Garrison from south park > >Glenn McDavid wrote: > >>On Thu, 18 Oct 2001 matthew@redroot.org wrote: >> >>>YES... an emacs vi war... >>> >> >>Quite a thread here--It has provoked three of the great flame wars.... >> Which editor? >> Which distribution? >> Which browser? >> >>Glenn McDavid >>mailto:gmcdavid@winternet.com >>http://www.winternet.com/~gmcdavid >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org >>tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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HEHE > >In any case, I just tried to post a link to it that's fairly interesting: >http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/10/18/1716222&mode=nested > >Jay > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Did you read the stipulations on what VG means? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Oct 18 20:13:38 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... In-Reply-To: <20011018143340.B13581@chuck.sistina.com> References: <3BCEE37E.2070501@slava.net> <20011018100407.C661@chuck.sistina.com> <20011018133724.N17220@wookimus.net> <20011018143340.B13581@chuck.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20011018191914.A8251@ringworld.org> * Ben Lutgens [011018 14:55]: > debian bites. Sistina sucks. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From sgrobe at mn.rr.com Thu Oct 18 20:37:54 2001 From: sgrobe at mn.rr.com (steve) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... References: <3BCF606A.4090306@slava.net> <20011018185945.A884@chuck> Message-ID: <3BCF6C09.3060102@mn.rr.com> If you could just do that from now on that would be greaaate. Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 06:06:18PM -0500, Lorry wrote: > >>P.S. War is bad. :) >> > > You're not allowed to say that unless one of two criteria is met. > > 1.) you've been in combat > 2.) you add an mmmkay on the end like Mr. Garrison from south park -- The more I know, the more I know I don't know. Confused and confusing since 1966. If I had a nickle for every time I knew I was right and spoke up, I could buy a soda, maybe even two. From rechpj at bitstream.net Thu Oct 18 20:40:03 2001 From: rechpj at bitstream.net (Paul Rech) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailing list server: Flame emails?? References: <20011014012307.B14057@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3BCF79E7.69DD6445@bitstream.net> Bob Tanner wrote: > > I just got a couple of personal flame emails for my, I'm quoting here from one > such email, > > "... lack of concern that the mailing list server is down ..." 13 years as an admin and I still am dumbfounded by self-centered, selfish jerks like this. I felt bad about e-mailing you about the list, knowing something bad must have happened. Add me to the list of people who really appreciate all you do for the LUG. Paul Rech From spencer at conflict.autonomous.tv Thu Oct 18 20:45:07 2001 From: spencer at conflict.autonomous.tv (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... In-Reply-To: <20011018191914.A8251@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 07:19:14PM -0500 References: <3BCEE37E.2070501@slava.net> <20011018100407.C661@chuck.sistina.com> <20011018133724.N17220@wookimus.net> <20011018143340.B13581@chuck.sistina.com> <20011018191914.A8251@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20011018200051.A14893@conflict.autonomous.tv> On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 07:19:14PM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: > * Ben Lutgens [011018 14:55]: > > debian bites. > > Sistina sucks. FLAME sucks. I love it..... From simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com Thu Oct 18 20:47:16 2001 From: simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mailman.linux.org Message-ID: heh..... Just started getting it again. Didn't even know it was down till I checked in w/ IRC. Thought some helpfull person had removed me from the list. Talk about suckage.... The company just got an Exchange server. Outlook 2001 for Mac is very, very different. Any Linux program's that'll work w/ this thing? I'd actually rather have an GNU/OpenSource program that I can use on my mac... Gotta take what you can get though. :) > ---------- > well...yeah? > Ya... I know that now. BTW... YOU ROCK BOB. Thanks for all the hard work. sim From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Oct 18 20:51:03 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Hardware sale In-Reply-To: <20011018174651.O24491@real-time.com> References: <20011018174651.O24491@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011018193130.B8251@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [011018 18:09]: > 46 - 100VG network cards Are these the HP cards? Are they ISA or PCI? (or EISA *gasp*) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From ray at lctn.k12.mn.us Thu Oct 18 20:57:18 2001 From: ray at lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need help creating sybolic link Message-ID: <016201c15646$05149920$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> I have done this once before, but cannot seem to find the info to create a sybolic link as per the instructions below. I have succesfully created the script in init.d. Any help would be appreciated. to your mrtg configuration file and then creating a startup script in your system startup sequence. Unfortunately, adding startup scripts differs widely amongst different unix systems. The modern ones normally have a directory called /etc/init.d or /etc/rc.d/init.d where you put scripts which starts the process you want to run when the system boots. Further you must create a symbolic link in /etc/rc3.d or /etc/rc.d/rc?.d called S65mrtg (this is just a sample name ... it is just important that it starts with S followed by a two digit number). If you are not sure about this, make sure you consult the documentation of your system to make sure you get this right. A minimal script to put into init.d might look like this: #! /bin/sh cd /usr/local/mrtg-2.9.17/bin && ./mrtg --user=mrtg-user \ /home/httpd/mrtg/mrtg.cfg --logging /var/log/mrtg.log Note that this will only work with RunAsDaemon: Yes in your mrtg.cfg file. Raymond Norton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011018/ea0c64e4/attachment.htm From simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com Thu Oct 18 21:05:20 2001 From: simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake on a P100? Message-ID: A buddy o' mine just spec'd out a SWEAT MACHINE... AMD Athlon 1GHz DDR 512MB RAM Already has a VooDoo3 AGP (looking at a GeForce 2 though) AK31A MB (forgot the manufacturer. Kickass board though) 266MHz FSB. arg... Can't find the spec sheet. Anyway, the point is that you can build your own for around $500 (roughly). Man I wish I had $500 right now... I was drooling when we looked up the parts on pricewatch. sim > ---------- > From: Ben Stallings > Reply To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 12:03 > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake on a P100? > > Hello again. I'm trying to figure out whether it makes sense for me > to > install Linux (probably Mandrake, with all the bells & whistles) on a > 100 MHz > Pentium that can only handle 128 MB of RAM, or if I'm just fooling > myself. > In particular I'm concerned that OpenOffice might not be usable on > such a > machine, since it's barely usable on my 233 MHz PowerBook. Thoughts? > A P100 is always usefull for something. Especially w/ 128MB ram. It'd make an excellent firewall at least. File server. Remote X terminal. Mail server. Man I love linux... :) sim From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Oct 18 21:17:16 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Tcwug down Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE004@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> TCWUG, not TCLUG. :) -----Original Message----- From: Ben Lutgens [mailto:blutgens@sistina.com] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:00 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Tcwug down On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 05:19:28PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: >Bob, sure you know about this, but the tcwug list is still down. Thanks for >all your hard work. IT IS? Then what phantom list is filling my mail box with all this flamebait? HEHE > >In any case, I just tried to post a link to it that's fairly interesting: >http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/10/18/1716222&mode=nested > >Jay > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Oct 18 21:35:40 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake on a P100? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE005@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> >A buddy o' mine just spec'd out a SWEAT MACHINE... Then maybe it belongs in a gym and not under his desk. It's the "Richard Simmons 1Ghz" model... sweet. -----Original Message----- From: Simeon Johnston [mailto:simeonuj@indivisuallearning.com] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:11 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Mandrake on a P100? A buddy o' mine just spec'd out a SWEAT MACHINE... AMD Athlon 1GHz DDR 512MB RAM Already has a VooDoo3 AGP (looking at a GeForce 2 though) AK31A MB (forgot the manufacturer. Kickass board though) 266MHz FSB. arg... Can't find the spec sheet. Anyway, the point is that you can build your own for around $500 (roughly). Man I wish I had $500 right now... I was drooling when we looked up the parts on pricewatch. sim > ---------- > From: Ben Stallings > Reply To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 12:03 > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake on a P100? > > Hello again. I'm trying to figure out whether it makes sense for me > to > install Linux (probably Mandrake, with all the bells & whistles) on a > 100 MHz > Pentium that can only handle 128 MB of RAM, or if I'm just fooling > myself. > In particular I'm concerned that OpenOffice might not be usable on > such a > machine, since it's barely usable on my 233 MHz PowerBook. Thoughts? > A P100 is always usefull for something. Especially w/ 128MB ram. It'd make an excellent firewall at least. File server. Remote X terminal. Mail server. Man I love linux... :) sim _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From thomas at stderr.net Thu Oct 18 22:12:34 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mailman.linux.org In-Reply-To: ; from simeonuj@indivisuallearning.com on Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 08:00:47PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20011019041713.B44574@io.stderr.net> On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 08:00:47PM -0500, Simeon Johnston wrote: > heh..... > Just started getting it again. Didn't even know it was down till I > checked in w/ IRC. Thought some helpfull person had removed me from the > list. > > Talk about suckage.... The company just got an Exchange server. > Outlook 2001 for Mac is very, very different. > > Any Linux program's that'll work w/ this thing? I'd actually rather > have an GNU/OpenSource program that I can use on my mac... Gotta take > what you can get though. The company I worked for last got the same icky thing when we bought up another company and all our stuff had to be merged into their pile of cr*p. What I did was use mutt with a homebrewn perl script [1] to do the lookup of addresses in their ldap server. I just used the imap support in mutt to access my folders. You will get mails about metings, but you can't send out requests for meetings in this way. [1]: http://thomas.eibner.dk/misc/muttexchange/ -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From thomas at stderr.net Thu Oct 18 22:16:33 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need help creating sybolic link In-Reply-To: <016201c15646$05149920$0238dccc@hutchtel.net>; from ray@lctn.k12.mn.us on Tue, Oct 16, 2001 at 08:25:26AM -0500 References: <016201c15646$05149920$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> Message-ID: <20011019041921.C44574@io.stderr.net> On Tue, Oct 16, 2001 at 08:25:26AM -0500, Raymond Norton wrote: > I have done this once before, but cannot seem to find the info to create a sybolic link as per the instructions below. I have succesfully created the script in init.d. Any help would be appreciated. > > to your mrtg configuration file and then creating a startup script in your system startup sequence. Unfortunately, adding startup scripts differs widely amongst different unix systems. The modern ones normally have a directory called /etc/init.d or /etc/rc.d/init.d where you put scripts which starts the process you want to run when the system boots. Further you must create a symbolic link in /etc/rc3.d or /etc/rc.d/rc?.d called S65mrtg (this is just a sample name ... it is just important that it starts with S followed by a two digit number). If you are not sure about this, make sure you consult the documentation of your system to make sure you get this right. > > A minimal script to put into init.d might look like this: > > #! /bin/sh > cd /usr/local/mrtg-2.9.17/bin && ./mrtg --user=mrtg-user \ > /home/httpd/mrtg/mrtg.cfg --logging /var/log/mrtg.log > Note that this will only work with RunAsDaemon: Yes in your mrtg.cfg file. ln -s /etc/init.d/script /etc/rc3.d/S65mrtg ? -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com Thu Oct 18 22:18:27 2001 From: simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake on a P100? Message-ID: I was sweating when we looked it up... Does that count? :-) Don't know about Richard Simmons. For some reason I get images of Raenier Wolfcastle (?) saying "Hey little girly man, qvit dancing around like a little fairy and let me show what sweating really is." > >A buddy o' mine just spec'd out a SWEAT MACHINE... > > Then maybe it belongs in a gym and not under his desk. It's the > "Richard Simmons 1Ghz" model... sweet. > sim From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Oct 18 22:20:29 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... In-Reply-To: <20011018191914.A8251@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 07:19:14PM -0500 References: <3BCEE37E.2070501@slava.net> <20011018100407.C661@chuck.sistina.com> <20011018133724.N17220@wookimus.net> <20011018143340.B13581@chuck.sistina.com> <20011018191914.A8251@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20011018212832.B912@chuck> On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 07:19:14PM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: >* Ben Lutgens [011018 14:55]: >> debian bites. > >Sistina sucks. Oh and people who CC the original poster and the list suck too. No need to send to the poster if you're sending to the list as well. ass. > >-- >Scott Dier >http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011018/ca56ef99/attachment.pgp From jreuter at reuter-engineering.com Thu Oct 18 22:22:50 2001 From: jreuter at reuter-engineering.com (Jon V. Reuter) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hardware Recommendations References: <20011018174651.O24491@real-time.com> <20011018193130.B8251@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <3BCF9144.E29D5D36@reuter-engineering.com> Can anyone recommend a good IDE CD-RW (~16x10x40) that works well under Linux? (Yes I know, SCSI is better). Thank you, Jon Reuter From jpschewe at mtu.net Thu Oct 18 22:39:03 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4.12 won't compile In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Figured it out. Seems that there's a bug in the 2.4.10 nfs server that created bad symlinks. Something like instead of linking to the file, it linked to the actual data, so ls would give me foo -> #include ... Really nasty. I put everything local, recompiled and rebooted and I'm all good now. Jon Schewe writes: > I've tried this twice now, even untarred the file again and redid my config. > When I compile I get this: > > > make dep clean bzImage modules > > gcc -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -o scripts/split-include scripts/split-include.c > scripts/split-include include/linux/autoconf.h include/config > gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-trigraphs -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -pipe -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -march=i686 -c -o init/main.o init/main.c > In file included from /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/fs.h:19, > from /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/capability.h:17, > from /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/binfmts.h:5, > from /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/sched.h:9, > from /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/mm.h:4, > from /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/slab.h:14, > from /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/proc_fs.h:5, > from init/main.c:15: > /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/dcache.h: In function `dget': > /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/dcache.h:247: warning: implicit declaration of function `BUG' > In file included from /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/capability.h:17, > from /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/binfmts.h:5, > from /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/sched.h:9, > from /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/mm.h:4, > from /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/slab.h:14, > from /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/proc_fs.h:5, > from init/main.c:15: > /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/fs.h: In function `put_bh': > /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/fs.h:1105: warning: implicit declaration of function `smp_mb__before_atomic_dec' > In file included from /usr/include/asm/smp.h:15, > ... > /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/highmem.h:102: warning: implicit declaration of function `copy_page' > In file included from /usr/include/asm/io.h:108, > from /usr/include/asm/dma.h:13, > from /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/bootmem.h:8, > from init/main.c:28: > /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/vmalloc.h: At top level: > /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/vmalloc.h:23: parse error before `pgprot_t' > /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/vmalloc.h:23: warning: function declaration isn't a prototype > /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/vmalloc.h:27: parse error before `pgprot_t' > /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/vmalloc.h:27: warning: function declaration isn't a prototype > /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/vmalloc.h: In function `vmalloc': > /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/vmalloc.h:35: warning: implicit declaration of function `__pgprot' > In file included from /usr/include/asm/dma.h:13, > from /net/home-src/kernel/linux-2.4.12/include/linux/bootmem.h:8, > from init/main.c:28: > /usr/include/asm/io.h: In function `virt_to_phys': > /usr/include/asm/io.h:130: warning: implicit declaration of function `__pa' > /usr/include/asm/io.h: In function `phys_to_virt': > /usr/include/asm/io.h:135: warning: implicit declaration of function `__va' > /usr/include/asm/io.h:135: warning: return makes pointer from integer without a cast > /usr/include/asm/io.h: In function `isa_check_signature': > /usr/include/asm/io.h:237: `PAGE_OFFSET' undeclared (first use in this function) > init/main.c: In function `smp_init': > init/main.c:515: warning: implicit declaration of function `cpu_relax' > init/main.c: In function `start_kernel': > init/main.c:578: `PAGE_OFFSET' undeclared (first use in this function) > make: *** [init/main.o] Error 1 > > Anyone else run into this? > > -- > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From chrome at real-time.com Thu Oct 18 22:46:04 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake on a P100? In-Reply-To: <01101312033703.00719@Romana>; from Ben@WorksCited.Net on Sat, Oct 13, 2001 at 12:03:37PM -0500 References: <5.0.2.1.0.20011011101311.02143370@127.0.0.1> <01101312033703.00719@Romana> Message-ID: <20011018220501.D11401@real-time.com> On Sat, Oct 13, 2001 at 12:03:37PM -0500, Ben Stallings wrote: > Hello again. I'm trying to figure out whether it makes sense for me to > install Linux (probably Mandrake, with all the bells & whistles) on a 100 MHz > Pentium that can only handle 128 MB of RAM, or if I'm just fooling myself. not with all the bells & whistles, no. RH6.0 + Gnome + Enlightenment beat up my P166/48MB. a lighter-weight window manager would help, as would more memory; but I'd still recommend against it on a P100. FVWM, no Gnome, this would be fine on a P100. I'm guessing OpenOffice might still be a bit doggish tho; even with 128MB. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From wilson at visi.com Thu Oct 18 22:48:08 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hardware Recommendations In-Reply-To: <3BCF9144.E29D5D36@reuter-engineering.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Jon V. Reuter wrote: > Can anyone recommend a good IDE CD-RW (~16x10x40) that > works well under Linux? (Yes I know, SCSI is better). Haven't made a single coaster with my Plextor. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From thomas at stderr.net Thu Oct 18 22:54:11 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hardware Recommendations In-Reply-To: <3BCF9144.E29D5D36@reuter-engineering.com>; from jreuter@reuter-engineering.com on Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 09:34:44PM -0500 References: <20011018174651.O24491@real-time.com> <20011018193130.B8251@ringworld.org> <3BCF9144.E29D5D36@reuter-engineering.com> Message-ID: <20011019045838.D44574@io.stderr.net> On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 09:34:44PM -0500, Jon V. Reuter wrote: > Can anyone recommend a good IDE CD-RW (~16x10x40) that > works well under Linux? (Yes I know, SCSI is better). I just bought a Sony CD-RW (12x 8x 32x) at circuit city for $99, works like a DREAM! Getting higher burning speed would cost quite a bit more it looks like. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Oct 18 23:12:34 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... In-Reply-To: <20011018212832.B912@chuck> References: <3BCEE37E.2070501@slava.net> <20011018100407.C661@chuck.sistina.com> <20011018133724.N17220@wookimus.net> <20011018143340.B13581@chuck.sistina.com> <20011018191914.A8251@ringworld.org> <20011018212832.B912@chuck> Message-ID: <20011018222400.I8251@ringworld.org> * Ben Lutgens [011018 21:51]: > On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 07:19:14PM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: > >* Ben Lutgens [011018 14:55]: > >> debian bites. > > > >Sistina sucks. > > Oh and people who CC the original poster and the list suck too. No need to > send to the poster if you're sending to the list as well. > Ok stupid, stop setting this: Mail-Followup-To: Ben Lutgens , tclug-list@mn-linux.org -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From paul at harris.net Thu Oct 18 23:14:40 2001 From: paul at harris.net (Paul) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Admins rule Message-ID: <20011019032506.21895.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> No substantive contribution, I just wanted to say that admins rule, and Bob is an admin, therefore Bob rules. Thanks for all the good work Paul (a committed lurker) From andy at theasis.com Thu Oct 18 23:45:56 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... In-Reply-To: <20011018222400.I8251@ringworld.org> Message-ID: Boys, please take your petty bickering off the list. Thanks, Andy On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Scott Dier wrote: > * Ben Lutgens [011018 21:51]: > > On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 07:19:14PM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: > > >* Ben Lutgens [011018 14:55]: > > >> debian bites. > > > > > >Sistina sucks. > > > > Oh and people who CC the original poster and the list suck too. No need to > > send to the poster if you're sending to the list as well. > > > > > Ok stupid, stop setting this: > > Mail-Followup-To: Ben Lutgens , > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Oct 19 00:14:41 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Port Forwarding In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011018232636.A12370@wookimus.net> On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 05:44:30PM -0500, johndmiller wrote: > I am running coyote. I also have at&t broadband as an isp. AT&T, as > far as I know, is still blocking port 80 (and probably will). I would > like to allow web request to port 8080 and have coyote forward it to > port 80 and send it to the serve, whose address is 192.168.0.4. I > have the following line in the rc.masquerade script > > /sbin/ipmasqadm portfw -a -P tcp -L ${IPADDR} 8080 -R 192.168.0.4 80 > > when I run ./rc.masquerade I get > "portfw: illegal local.address/ port specified" Is your ${IPADDR} actually populated with something? Additionally, you're still using 2.2.x kernels? It's so much easier w/netfilter in 2.4.x. #! /bin/sh EXT_IP_ADDR=209.209.209.209 INT_WEBSVR=192.168.0.4 PATH=/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -j DNAT -p tcp \ -d ${EXT_IP_ADDR} 8080 --to-destination ${INT_WEBSVR}:80 # EOF Good luck! -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Create a new table for each list address. etc etc etc... -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011019/68538065/attachment.pgp From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Oct 19 00:43:00 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake on a P100? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011018233846.C12370@wookimus.net> On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 08:10:37PM -0500, Simeon Johnston wrote: > A buddy o' mine just spec'd out a SWEAT MACHINE... > AMD Athlon 1GHz > DDR 512MB RAM > Already has a VooDoo3 AGP (looking at a GeForce 2 though) > AK31A MB (forgot the manufacturer. Kickass board though) 266MHz FSB. My system: # Upgrade ~$130 AMD Athlon 1.4 GHz ~$ 25 Heatsink/fan ~$ 60 512 MB DDRAM ~$130 Shuttle AK31A (w/the KT266 chipset) on-board sound disabled ~$100 InWin ATX Full Tower + tax # From old K6/II-450+ASUS P5A Voodoo 3 AGP Adaptec 2940 Cheapass Ensonic 1371 Soundcard 9.1 GB IBM Deskstar SCSI harddrive 6.4 GB Seagate IDE Left-overs: (Overheated/blitzed) K6-II/450 ASUS P5A motherboard (AT/ATX) InWin AT Mini Tower SIMMS -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011019/7a63ec40/attachment.pgp From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Oct 19 01:15:32 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vi vs. emacs In-Reply-To: <3BCF4EAC.59930CBF@urbanrage.com> References: <3BCF4EAC.59930CBF@urbanrage.com> Message-ID: <20011019001928.D12370@wookimus.net> On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 04:50:36PM -0500, eric wrote: > There is no war, vi was sucked into emacs years ago :) > Meta-X viper Unfortunately, it wasn't very reliable when I tried it, years ago. Then again, years ago, I was an emacs bigot. ;-) Now that I'm a vim bigot, I'll have to try emacs+viper again. ;-) -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011019/f7800d58/attachment.pgp From kbullock at ringworld.org Fri Oct 19 01:17:00 2001 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] list dead? In-Reply-To: <20011018095627.A661@chuck.sistina.com> References: <20011018095627.A661@chuck.sistina.com> Message-ID: <33036.24.159.217.28.1003469468.squirrel@www.ringworld.org> > On Tue, Oct 16, 2001 at 07:52:27AM -0500, Dave Sherman wrote: > No. This message doesn't exist. It's a figment of your imagination. We > control the vertical the horizontal. All your mail are belong to us. Okay, done now. :) Pacem in terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock From blayer at qwest.net Fri Oct 19 01:18:25 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] reading compressed DOS drive Message-ID: <20011019013629.52db77f8.blayer@qwest.net> How can I read a Windows or DOS drive that has been compressed with drivespace? Is there a utility or a driver for this? P.S. Fun beermeeting ;) Bill From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Oct 19 01:45:45 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:50 2005 Subject: LUG Involvement (Was: Re: [TCLUG] Mailing list server: Flame emails??) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011019004822.F12370@wookimus.net> On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 04:56:54PM -0500, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > Ah yes we do have a treasurer, but we don't have any treasure. There's > no account or anything. We haven't solicited donations and we don't > ask for dues. We're not a registered non-profit. > > I thinking chipping in to buy a new drive would be a great idea. Might > be a good idea to open the offical TCLUG account, maybe then we could > have enough cash to rent a place for our installfest, etc. Since we're > not registered as a non-profit, I don't think anyone would be able to > (legally) deduct their donations. That brings up an interesting question. SHOULD we pursue the idea of organizing into a non-profit? We have certainly grown in size, and the benefits therein may be enough to offset the amount of work it would take. I know absolutely nothing about what would be involved, however, so I cannot comment further on it. I suppose we'd have to create a constitution, etc. I do think you could deduct a "gift" to Real Time. ;-) I'd be up for donating a ten-spot. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011019/44a8fc37/attachment.pgp From blayer at qwest.net Fri Oct 19 01:49:20 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hardware Recommendations In-Reply-To: <3BCF9144.E29D5D36@reuter-engineering.com> References: <20011018174651.O24491@real-time.com> <20011018193130.B8251@ringworld.org> <3BCF9144.E29D5D36@reuter-engineering.com> Message-ID: <20011019020523.193165e8.blayer@qwest.net> On Thu, 18 Oct 2001 21:34:44 -0500 "Jon V. Reuter" wrote: > Can anyone recommend a good IDE CD-RW (~16x10x40) that > works well under Linux? (Yes I know, SCSI is better). > I've got the Yamaha 16x10x40, I think the model is CDR-2100E. Works totally great, never made a coaster yet (...) Got the whitebox part for $149 about 6 months ago; probably cheaper now. Bill From tanner at real-time.com Fri Oct 19 01:50:45 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman archives (suckage) In-Reply-To: <20011018233102.B12370@wookimus.net>; from chewie@wookimus.net on Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 11:31:02PM -0500 References: <20011011033211.D16071@real-time.com> <20011018233102.B12370@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20011019011239.B17917@real-time.com> Quoting Chad C. Walstrom (chewie@wookimus.net): > Why not use the keystone.pl as a template program to simply insert > copies of the email sent into a database? It shouldn't be that > bad. You could continue to manage the mailing list with whatever > listserv application you desire, just add a bogus email address as a > subscriber and make that address a member on all of your lists. Create > a new table for each list address. etc etc etc... I talked to Rias on irc about this. The problem is the database design. To be blunt, I suck at database design :-) As Rias and I bounced ideas back and forth, I think the best ideas would be to enhance mailman to use vfolders, thus allowing a varity of backend persistent storage (db, mbox, maildir, etc). I believe there is even a vfolder api for searching, but I did not research it any further. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Fri Oct 19 03:58:13 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Starting mailing list delivery Message-ID: <20011017204713.S24303@real-time.com> Ok, all the MX held email is back on the list server. I'm going to start to process the outgoing queues. I'm only running 1 sendmail for all outgoing queues (10 of them) so, it might take a couple of days to deliver all the queued mail. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Fri Oct 19 05:00:59 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Starting mailing list delivery In-Reply-To: <20011017204713.S24303@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Oct 17, 2001 at 08:47:13PM -0500 References: <20011017204713.S24303@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011019040854.A28309@real-time.com> Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com): > Ok, all the MX held email is back on the list server. I'm going to start to > process the outgoing queues. > > I'm only running 1 sendmail for all outgoing queues (10 of them) so, it might > take a couple of days to deliver all the queued mail. > > Cool, time warpage. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Fri Oct 19 06:26:43 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Must have a sense of humor Message-ID: <20011019053458.B1404@real-time.com> If you don't have a sense of humor -don't- go here. http://www.madblast.com/oska/humor_bin.swf -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com Fri Oct 19 07:58:10 2001 From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Port Forwarding Message-ID: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3941D62C8@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> I am assuming that it is. When I run the lrcfg script and view the connection, it reports the ip. It is running 2.2.x, I have not taken the time to figure out how to upgrade it yet. So if I were to stick to ipchains, who would I solve my problem. -----Original Message----- From: Chad C. Walstrom [mailto:chewie@wookimus.net] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 11:27 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Port Forwarding On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 05:44:30PM -0500, johndmiller wrote: > I am running coyote. I also have at&t broadband as an isp. AT&T, as > far as I know, is still blocking port 80 (and probably will). I would > like to allow web request to port 8080 and have coyote forward it to > port 80 and send it to the serve, whose address is 192.168.0.4. I > have the following line in the rc.masquerade script > > /sbin/ipmasqadm portfw -a -P tcp -L ${IPADDR} 8080 -R 192.168.0.4 80 > > when I run ./rc.masquerade I get > "portfw: illegal local.address/ port specified" Is your ${IPADDR} actually populated with something? Additionally, you're still using 2.2.x kernels? It's so much easier w/netfilter in 2.4.x. #! /bin/sh EXT_IP_ADDR=209.209.209.209 INT_WEBSVR=192.168.0.4 PATH=/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -j DNAT -p tcp \ -d ${EXT_IP_ADDR} 8080 --to-destination ${INT_WEBSVR}:80 # EOF Good luck! -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Oct 19 08:31:34 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Port Forwarding In-Reply-To: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3941D62C8@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3941D62C8@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Message-ID: <20011019075028.G12370@wookimus.net> On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 07:05:09AM -0500, Miller, John wrote: > > > I am assuming that it is. When I run the lrcfg script and view the > connection, it reports the ip. It is running 2.2.x, I have not taken > the time to figure out how to upgrade it yet. For bash scripts, if you place the command "set -x" at the top of the file, you will see all the shell commands that are being executed and can confirm whether or not the correct values are being passed to the script. > > /sbin/ipmasqadm portfw -a -P tcp -L ${IPADDR} 8080 -R 192.168.0.4 80 > > > > when I run ./rc.masquerade I get > > "portfw: illegal local.address/ port specified" Again, put "set -x" at the top of your script. The syntax of the command looks correct, otherwise. See also: bash(1), ipmasqadm(1), "ipmasqadm portfw --help", the HOWTO's I mentioned earlier. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011019/94a3a0e5/attachment.pgp From scott.w.fischer at att.net Fri Oct 19 09:01:42 2001 From: scott.w.fischer at att.net (scott.w.fischer@att.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mailman.linux.org Message-ID: <20011019130835.DTQD5495.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> > Just started getting it again. Didn't even know it was down till I > checked in w/ IRC. Thought some helpfull person had removed me from the > list. What is the irc list and server? I couldn't find this information on the website anywhere. -swf -- "Don't pray when it rains if you don't pray when the sun shines." - Satchel Paige From marc at ds6.net Fri Oct 19 09:07:24 2001 From: marc at ds6.net (Marc A. Ohmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:50 2005 Subject: LUG Involvement (Was: Re: [TCLUG] Mailing list server: Flame emails??) In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 04:10:05PM -0500 References: <20011014012307.B14057@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011019082802.A25396@flanders.digsol.net> I would be in favor of something like think geek. We could have some t-shirts, mugs, ... made with a tclug logo and make a slight profit off the sales. At least its voluntary. The t-shirts would also help get the word out about the group. With a couple of us wearing them around the U, I'm sure we would start to see some new faces. Of course this system would take a lot of work by someone to organize and file wit the gov. Marc On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 04:10:05PM -0500, Yaron wrote: > Hello, > > On Sun, 14 Oct 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > > I for one totally appreciate Real Time, and in perticular Bob's personal > efforts on behalf of the LUG. But wouldn't it be nice if we all got > involved? > > We can't ALL maintain the mailing list, or web server, etc. But how about > chipping in and buying a new drive to replace the old one? We do have a > LUG Treasuror (sp?). We can in theory make donations to the LUG that'll go > toward new hardware the LUG can use, etc. > > I'm leaving this as a very, very vague and general proposal on purpose. > I'm sure we all want the LUG to be non-profit and never require any > membership fees or stuff like that, but I think it'd be nice to support > the LUG. Does anyone think there's a practical way to do this? Can anyone > think of other ways individual LUG members can help support the LUG beyond > what we already have setup? > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Marc A. Ohmann Digital Solutions, Inc http://ds6.net marc@ds6.net From scott.w.fischer at att.net Fri Oct 19 09:30:47 2001 From: scott.w.fischer at att.net (scott.w.fischer@att.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake on a P100? Message-ID: <20011019133219.EDEB5495.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> > Hello again. I'm trying to figure out whether it makes sense for me to > install Linux (probably Mandrake, with all the bells & whistles) on a 100 MHz > Pentium that can only handle 128 MB of RAM, or if I'm just fooling myself. > In particular I'm concerned that OpenOffice might not be usable on such a > machine, since it's barely usable on my 233 MHz PowerBook. Thoughts? I just loaded up Mdk8.1 on my daughter's Pentium 133 with 128Mb RAM, primarily a KDE used environment. Let me just say this. It's painful. I wouldn't even think about trying {Open|Star}Office, wine or vmware. KWord, games and browsing are fine, but I'm still considering moving her down to a smaller desktop environment (suggestions anyone?). -swf -- "Don't pray when it rains if you don't pray when the sun shines." - Satchel Paige > > Related question: Is there a retailer in town that sells used/rebuilt PII > boxes *without* peripherals and *without* an OS installed? I've been > frequenting Midwest Electronics, but all his PII boxes come with Win2K. > > --Ben (still new to this stuff...) > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Phillip.J.Crump at WellsFargo.COM Fri Oct 19 09:34:15 2001 From: Phillip.J.Crump at WellsFargo.COM (Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hardware sale Message-ID: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E06C4B33D@msgmsp15.norwest.com> Bob, What type of hards/hubs are they? -PJ > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Tanner [SMTP:tanner@real-time.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 5:47 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Hardware sale > > I have the ability to get: > > 3 - 15 port autosensing 100VG hubs > 46 - 100VG network cards > > For $155.55, anyone I'd be willing to buy the whole thing and resell them > at > sightly above cost :-P > > So, that would be > > $5 per 100VG network card > $10 per 100VG hub > > Don't know what VG is? > > http://www.io.com/~richardr/vg/vgfaq.htm > > This stuff would work great in your house. :-) > > > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Phillip.J.Crump at WellsFargo.COM Fri Oct 19 09:35:49 2001 From: Phillip.J.Crump at WellsFargo.COM (Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake on a P100? Message-ID: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E06C4B33E@msgmsp15.norwest.com> Try the Box Shop at the SW corner of University & Fairview in St. Paul > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Stallings [SMTP:Ben@WorksCited.Net] > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 12:04 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake on a P100? > > Hello again. I'm trying to figure out whether it makes sense for me to > install Linux (probably Mandrake, with all the bells & whistles) on a 100 > MHz > Pentium that can only handle 128 MB of RAM, or if I'm just fooling myself. > > In particular I'm concerned that OpenOffice might not be usable on such a > machine, since it's barely usable on my 233 MHz PowerBook. Thoughts? > > Related question: Is there a retailer in town that sells used/rebuilt PII > boxes *without* peripherals and *without* an OS installed? I've been > frequenting Midwest Electronics, but all his PII boxes come with Win2K. > > --Ben (still new to this stuff...) > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com Fri Oct 19 10:03:45 2001 From: simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mailman.linux.org Message-ID: There was a real-time irc server but it had problems... It may be running now but I thought it was scratched a while back. Everyone is just using irc.openprojects.net #tclug sim From florin at iucha.net Fri Oct 19 10:05:15 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... In-Reply-To: ; from gmcdavid@winternet.com on Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 03:40:34PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20011019091519.A6538@beaver.iucha.org> On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 03:40:34PM -0500, Glenn McDavid wrote: > On Thu, 18 Oct 2001 matthew@redroot.org wrote: > > > YES... an emacs vi war... > > Quite a thread here--It has provoked three of the great flame wars.... > Which editor? > Which distribution? > Which browser? > HP hard-disks suck. DDS tapes suck. YES! florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's painful. > I wouldn't even think about trying {Open|Star}Office, wine or vmware. > KWord, games and browsing are fine, but I'm still considering moving her > down to a smaller desktop environment (suggestions anyone?). I wouldn't even go with a full desktop environ, just a window manager. There are plenty to choose from -- some lightweights include (but are not limited to) blackbox, afterstep (one of my favorites), twm, xfce (I think?), sawfish (another fave)... Dave -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE70DXDA68l26XsZUYRAjAqAJ9DzMNzkuSabKLc0cmAD8l28dQejACfYwgm Ff/A4a1QFh0oBGAjZ6GsSHg= =w7C2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From thomas at stderr.net Fri Oct 19 10:08:10 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mailman.linux.org In-Reply-To: <20011019130835.DTQD5495.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net>; from scott.w.fischer@att.net on Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 01:08:34PM +0000 References: <20011019130835.DTQD5495.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <20011019161849.E44574@io.stderr.net> On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 01:08:34PM +0000, scott.w.fischer@att.net wrote: > > Just started getting it again. Didn't even know it was down till I > > checked in w/ IRC. Thought some helpfull person had removed me from the > > list. > > What is the irc list and server? I couldn't find this information on the website anywhere. irc.openprojects.net is the server, the channel is #tclug -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Oct 19 10:09:36 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:51 2005 Subject: LUG Involvement (Was: Re: [TCLUG] Mailing list server: Flame emails??) Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE007@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Actually, to get non-profit status, you just go into the building to the left of the state capital, fill out a form, and submit it. There's no charge for a non-profit. I think you just need the names of the people involved. You can also download the form from the state website I think. I don't think it's that much trouble. Although, my taxes are complicated enough as it is, so my name would stay far far away from that application. :) -----Original Message----- From: Marc A. Ohmann [mailto:marc@ds6.net] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 8:28 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: LUG Involvement (Was: Re: [TCLUG] Mailing list server: Flame emails??) I would be in favor of something like think geek. We could have some t-shirts, mugs, ... made with a tclug logo and make a slight profit off the sales. At least its voluntary. The t-shirts would also help get the word out about the group. With a couple of us wearing them around the U, I'm sure we would start to see some new faces. Of course this system would take a lot of work by someone to organize and file wit the gov. Marc On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 04:10:05PM -0500, Yaron wrote: > Hello, > > On Sun, 14 Oct 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > > I for one totally appreciate Real Time, and in perticular Bob's personal > efforts on behalf of the LUG. But wouldn't it be nice if we all got > involved? > > We can't ALL maintain the mailing list, or web server, etc. But how about > chipping in and buying a new drive to replace the old one? We do have a > LUG Treasuror (sp?). We can in theory make donations to the LUG that'll go > toward new hardware the LUG can use, etc. > > I'm leaving this as a very, very vague and general proposal on purpose. > I'm sure we all want the LUG to be non-profit and never require any > membership fees or stuff like that, but I think it'd be nice to support > the LUG. Does anyone think there's a practical way to do this? Can anyone > think of other ways individual LUG members can help support the LUG beyond > what we already have setup? > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Marc A. Ohmann Digital Solutions, Inc http://ds6.net marc@ds6.net _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Fri Oct 19 10:11:06 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailing list server: Flame emails?? In-Reply-To: <20011014012307.B14057@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Sun, Oct 14, 2001 at 01:23:07AM -0500 References: <20011014012307.B14057@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011019092101.B6538@beaver.iucha.org> Bob, I apologize in the name of the suckers. Thanks for your dedication to the LUG. We really appreciate it. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It also assures that the headers you're compiling against are the same across all your apps, which in your case turned out to be a problem for you. I compile all my kernels this way and it makes a lot more sense than dumping everything to /usr/local/src. -Brian From scott.w.fischer at att.net Fri Oct 19 10:32:03 2001 From: scott.w.fischer at att.net (scott.w.fischer@att.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... Message-ID: <20011019143339.KPQJ11294.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> I'll echo all of thse comments with the following addition. Mandrake is the one distro I've played with the gets all the glitches out of using KDE or Gnome desktop environments. If you like bells and whistles, many options to play with, and bright shiny toys, you'll like Mandrake. If you like a rather spartan, functional environment, you'll despise Mandrake's "bloat". -swf -- "Don't pray when it rains if you don't pray when the sun shines." - Satchel Paige > Earlier versions of Mandrake were based on Redhat, however, they are their > own distro now. About the only similarity to redhat is the use of RPMs for > package management. > > Much of the Mandrake setup is automated so you don't have to dink around > with config files as much, and their desktop environments (both Gnome and > KDE) are very nicely set up with menus that auto update when you install > software using RPMs. It's very polished too, little things like Aurora (Mac > like startup with Icons that appear when booting), gcc has a nice wrapper > that will highlight warnings and errors with red text when compiling. > Everything just fits together nicely. 8.0 was a good attempt at it, but > contained many bugs. 8.1 has no major showstoppers like 8.0 did, adds many > more features (like "dynamic" which adds icons to your desktop when you plug > in certain USB devices or PCMCIA cards). It's also the first distro to use > devfs and come with support for ReiserFS, XFS, JFS, and ext3 (of which you > can install using any of these, though it defaults to ext2). > > Download it, install it, if you don't like it, I'll give you your money > back. :) > > Jay > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom [mailto:chrome@real-time.com] > > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 3:37 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... > > > > > > > Mandrake rules. I've been using it pretty much exclusively for > > > workstations for the past 2 years or so, and it's very nice to work > > > with. 8.0 had some nasty bugs, but 8.1 has fixed them, and > > adds a ton > > > of useful features. > > > > I've always heard that Mandrake was a really newbie-friendly > > distro. I admit to little experience with it, tho. > > > > 1. I have a copy of Mandrake 5.3, signed by Linus Torvalds > > himself. I installed it once, and it was pretty much Red Hat relabled. > > > > 2. I tried Mandrake's firewall sub-distro (Mandrake > > 7.2-based); and aside from the (fairly good) firewall > > aspects, didn't see anything that recommended it over RedHat for me. > > > > I'm honestly curious tho; what do you see as advantages of > > Mandrake over RedHat? > > > > Carl Soderstrom > > -- > > Network Engineer > > Real-Time Enterprises > > (952) 943-8700 > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Fri Oct 19 10:34:22 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake on a P100? In-Reply-To: <20011019133219.EDEB5495.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net>; from scott.w.fischer@att.net on Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 01:32:18PM +0000 References: <20011019133219.EDEB5495.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <20011019094205.C16049@real-time.com> >(suggestions anyone?). uh oh, new war, window managers/desktop environments... FVWM rules! I've thought about giving a presentation on FVWM at a LUG meeting; but there isn't much to say about it... you set it up once in your life, and it just works from that point on. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From paul at harris.net Fri Oct 19 10:35:45 2001 From: paul at harris.net (Paul) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #1536 - 16 msgs Message-ID: <20011019144701.2506.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> My wife is doing a Master's in Non-profit management, and she would be willing to look into whether we could become a non-profit, and then do what needs to be done. She pointed out that you can't become a charity just because you want to :) We would need a charitable purpose, so linux advocacy and community support *might* be an option. We're going on vacation for a week this pm, but I hope to be checking email. Let me know here or directly if this would be helpful (particularly if you're the treasurer/president or other first among equals) Cheers, Paul Paul at Harris dot net. (no, not the evil sort of dot net) -- > That brings up an interesting question. SHOULD we pursue the idea of > organizing into a non-profit? We have certainly grown in size, and the > benefits therein may be enough to offset the amount of work it would > take. I know absolutely nothing about what would be involved, however, > so I cannot comment further on it. I suppose we'd have to create a > constitution, etc. > > I do think you could deduct a "gift" to Real Time. ;-) I'd be up for > donating a ten-spot. > > --=20 > Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie > http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr From jeffr at odeon.net Fri Oct 19 10:37:11 2001 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:51 2005 Subject: LUG Involvement (Was: Re: [TCLUG] Mailing list server: Flame emails??) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Actually, incorporating as a non-profit is fairly simple. It's actually getting the tax exempt/non-profit status with the IRS that is time consuming. Jeff On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > Ah yes we do have a treasurer, but we don't have any treasure. There's no > account or anything. We haven't solicited donations and we don't ask for > dues. We're not a registered non-profit. > > I thinking chipping in to buy a new drive would be a great idea. Might be a > good idea to open the offical TCLUG account, maybe then we could have enough > cash to rent a place for our installfest, etc. Since we're not registered as > a non-profit, I don't think anyone would be able to (legally) deduct their > donations. > > ~j > > > > > > > > Third, the drive replacement is going out of Real Time's bottom line. > > > > I for one totally appreciate Real Time, and in perticular Bob's personal > > efforts on behalf of the LUG. But wouldn't it be nice if we all got > > involved? > > > > We can't ALL maintain the mailing list, or web server, etc. But how about > > chipping in and buying a new drive to replace the old one? We do have a > > LUG Treasuror (sp?). We can in theory make donations to the LUG that'll go > > toward new hardware the LUG can use, etc. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From florin at iucha.net Fri Oct 19 10:38:40 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake on a P100? In-Reply-To: <200110191415.f9JEFbx18915@enchanter.real-time.com>; from dsherman@real-time.com on Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 09:16:34AM -0500 References: <20011019133219.EDEB5495.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> <200110191415.f9JEFbx18915@enchanter.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011019095738.C6538@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 09:16:34AM -0500, Dave Sherman wrote: > On Friday 19 October 2001 08:32, scott.w.fischer@att.net opined on the > topic: Re: [TCLUG] Mandrake on a P100? > > I just loaded up Mdk8.1 on my daughter's Pentium 133 with 128Mb RAM, > > primarily a KDE used environment. Let me just say this. It's painful. > > I wouldn't even think about trying {Open|Star}Office, wine or vmware. > > KWord, games and browsing are fine, but I'm still considering moving her > > down to a smaller desktop environment (suggestions anyone?). > > I wouldn't even go with a full desktop environ, just a window manager. > There are plenty to choose from -- some lightweights include (but are not > limited to) blackbox, afterstep (one of my favorites), twm, xfce (I > think?), sawfish (another fave)... icewm florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011019/27b009bf/attachment.pgp From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Fri Oct 19 10:40:12 2001 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake on a P100? In-Reply-To: <20011018220501.D11401@real-time.com> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20011011101311.02143370@127.0.0.1> <01101312033703.00719@Romana> <20011018220501.D11401@real-time.com> Message-ID: <15312.16462.869860.178127@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> Gosh. I just installed Mandrake 8.1 w/KDE on my Celeron 500 MHz @ home with 384MB and it's a total dog. I'm horribly depressed that I killed my RH 6.2 install, which was pretty zippy. Now I just sit and watch throbbing icons as programs take forever to start up, when things used to be zippy. Dunno what's causing the problem and haven't had time to investigate yet.... Also, it installs a symlink from /bin/mail to sendmail even if sendmail isn't installed. So for several days emacs sent all my outgoing email into the bit-bucket... :-( R From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Oct 19 11:06:15 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake on a P100? In-Reply-To: <20011019094205.C16049@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > >(suggestions anyone?). > > uh oh, new war, window managers/desktop environments... > > FVWM rules! TWM forever. -Brian From natecars at real-time.com Fri Oct 19 11:07:43 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] McLeod Contact? Message-ID: UGH! McLeod is dead; PRI and analog line are down, all the phone numbers I have for them give a fast-busy. Anyone got a contact there? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Fri Oct 19 11:09:07 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake on a P100? In-Reply-To: <20011019095738.C6538@beaver.iucha.org> References: <20011019133219.EDEB5495.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> <200110191415.f9JEFbx18915@enchanter.real-time.com> <20011019095738.C6538@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20011019101231.A5229@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 09:57:38AM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 09:16:34AM -0500, Dave Sherman wrote: > > I wouldn't even go with a full desktop environ, just a window manager. > > There are plenty to choose from -- some lightweights include (but are not > > limited to) blackbox, afterstep (one of my favorites), twm, xfce (I > > think?), sawfish (another fave)... > > icewm > Windowmaker -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org Cookies are tasty! |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://freesklyarov.org/ From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com Fri Oct 19 11:12:57 2001 From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Port Forwarding Message-ID: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940164AE0C@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Thanks for the set -x idea. I learned that the varible IPADDR was not available to the script. Did a little digging and added a line to the script that would include that varible. John Miller Dain Rauscher Information Services - Capital Markets Software Developer Phone: 612-547-7573 Fax: 612-547-7580 IS - Mail Stop: T23A New Address as of Nov 1, 2001 E-mail: MailTo:john.miller@rbcdain.com -----Original Message----- From: Chad C. Walstrom [mailto:chewie@wookimus.net] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 7:50 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Port Forwarding On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 07:05:09AM -0500, Miller, John wrote: > > > I am assuming that it is. When I run the lrcfg script and view the > connection, it reports the ip. It is running 2.2.x, I have not taken > the time to figure out how to upgrade it yet. For bash scripts, if you place the command "set -x" at the top of the file, you will see all the shell commands that are being executed and can confirm whether or not the correct values are being passed to the script. > > /sbin/ipmasqadm portfw -a -P tcp -L ${IPADDR} 8080 -R 192.168.0.4 80 > > > > when I run ./rc.masquerade I get > > "portfw: illegal local.address/ port specified" Again, put "set -x" at the top of your script. The syntax of the command looks correct, otherwise. See also: bash(1), ipmasqadm(1), "ipmasqadm portfw --help", the HOWTO's I mentioned earlier. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD From dsherman at real-time.com Fri Oct 19 11:34:01 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake on a P100? In-Reply-To: <15312.16462.869860.178127@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20011011101311.02143370@127.0.0.1> <20011018220501.D11401@real-time.com> <15312.16462.869860.178127@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <200110191533.f9JFXox32277@enchanter.real-time.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 19 October 2001 10:01, Robert P. Goldman opined on the topic: Re: [TCLUG] Mandrake on a P100? > Gosh. I just installed Mandrake 8.1 w/KDE on my Celeron 500 MHz @ > home with 384MB and it's a total dog. I'm horribly depressed that I > killed my RH 6.2 install, which was pretty zippy. Now I just sit and > watch throbbing icons as programs take forever to start up, when > things used to be zippy. > > Dunno what's causing the problem and haven't had time to investigate > yet.... It runs fine on my Celeron 366 with 192MB... Actually, Gnome is pretty slow (Nautilus is a killer), but KDE is pretty quick. Dave -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE70EgTA68l26XsZUYRAni7AJ9S4NfxUfCjoy/texji/zA/BIPXwgCgjnw7 +d8trfe3Jmo0XWGcroytdkA= =mbER -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From natecars at real-time.com Fri Oct 19 11:37:54 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] McLeod Contact? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > UGH! McLeod is dead; PRI and analog line are down, all the phone numbers I > have for them give a fast-busy. > > Anyone got a contact there? Managed to get ahold of them. Sounds like a fiber cut. Fun! -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From RCHanson at Printcraftinc.com Fri Oct 19 11:39:19 2001 From: RCHanson at Printcraftinc.com (Hanson, Bob C. (PC)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] McLeod Contact? Message-ID: <52387354A65AD51193860008C7B19E223A727A@ltexch1.lithotechusa.com> We are also having problems with our McLeod T1 and have not been able to get through to them. -----Original Message----- From: Nate Carlson [mailto:natecars@real-time.com] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 10:11 AM To: Twin Cities Linux User Group Subject: [TCLUG] McLeod Contact? UGH! McLeod is dead; PRI and analog line are down, all the phone numbers I have for them give a fast-busy. Anyone got a contact there? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adam_espeseth at magnaspeed.net Fri Oct 19 11:41:52 2001 From: adam_espeseth at magnaspeed.net (Adam M. Espeseth) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #1537 - 16 msgs References: <200110191606.f9JG68b11164@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <00c701c158b7$bcba4cf0$19400509@espeseth> i dont feel gud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 11:06 AM Subject: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #1537 - 16 msgs > Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tclug-list-request@mn-linux.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: Hardware sale (Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM) > 2. RE: Mandrake on a P100? (Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM) > 3. RE: mailman.linux.org (Simeon Johnston) > 4. Re: I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... (Florin Iucha) > 5. Re: Mandrake on a P100? (Dave Sherman) > 6. Re: mailman.linux.org (Thomas Eibner) > 7. RE: LUG Involvement (Was: Re: [TCLUG] Mailing list server: Flame > emails??) (Austad, Jay) > 8. Re: Mailing list server: Flame emails?? (Florin Iucha) > 9. Re: 2.4.12 won't compile (Brian) > 10. RE: I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... (scott.w.fischer@att.net) > 11. Re: Mandrake on a P100? (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) > 12. Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #1536 - 16 msgs (Paul) > 13. RE: LUG Involvement (Was: Re: [TCLUG] Mailing list server: Flame > emails??) (jeffr@odeon.net) > 14. Re: Mandrake on a P100? (Florin Iucha) > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From nate at techie.com Fri Oct 19 11:43:19 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake on a P100? In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 10:10:10AM -0500 References: <20011019094205.C16049@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011019110307.A13850@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 10:10:10AM -0500, Brian wrote: > On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > >(suggestions anyone?). > > > > uh oh, new war, window managers/desktop environments... > > > > FVWM rules! > > TWM forever. IceWM, baby! ;) Nate From florin at iucha.net Fri Oct 19 12:05:05 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need help creating sybolic link In-Reply-To: <016201c15646$05149920$0238dccc@hutchtel.net>; from ray@lctn.k12.mn.us on Tue, Oct 16, 2001 at 08:25:26AM -0500 References: <016201c15646$05149920$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> Message-ID: <20011019111033.A27664@beaver.iucha.org> On Tue, Oct 16, 2001 at 08:25:26AM -0500, Raymond Norton wrote: > I have done this once before, but cannot seem to find the info to create a sybolic link as per the instructions below. I have succesfully created the script in init.d. Any help would be appreciated. man ln basically ln -s old new > > to your mrtg configuration file and then creating a startup script in your system startup sequence. Unfortunately, adding startup scripts differs widely amongst different unix systems. The modern ones normally have a directory called /etc/init.d or /etc/rc.d/init.d where you put scripts which starts the process you want to run when the system boots. Further you must create a symbolic link in /etc/rc3.d or /etc/rc.d/rc?.d called S65mrtg (this is just a sample name ... it is just important that it starts with S followed by a two digit number). If you are not sure about this, make sure you consult the documentation of your system to make sure you get this right. > > A minimal script to put into init.d might look like this: > > #! /bin/sh > cd /usr/local/mrtg-2.9.17/bin && ./mrtg --user=mrtg-user \ > /home/httpd/mrtg/mrtg.cfg --logging /var/log/mrtg.log > Note that this will only work with RunAsDaemon: Yes in your mrtg.cfg file. in your case ln -s /etc/init.d/mrtgd /etc/rc.d/rc2.d/S65mrtg florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20011019101231.A5229@gordo.space.umn.edu>; from crumley@belka.space.umn.edu on Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 10:12:31AM -0500 References: <20011019133219.EDEB5495.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> <200110191415.f9JEFbx18915@enchanter.real-time.com> <20011019095738.C6538@beaver.iucha.org> <20011019101231.A5229@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011019111725.B27664@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 10:12:31AM -0500, Jim Crumley wrote: > On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 09:57:38AM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 09:16:34AM -0500, Dave Sherman wrote: > > > I wouldn't even go with a full desktop environ, just a window manager. > > > There are plenty to choose from -- some lightweights include (but are not > > > limited to) blackbox, afterstep (one of my favorites), twm, xfce (I > > > think?), sawfish (another fave)... > > > > icewm > > > Windowmaker ICEWM! I think we should put another entry on the mn-linux.org: count of current flamewars on the mailing list... We are getting close to 10 paralell flamewars. ROFLMAO, florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011019/8cac96a2/attachment.pgp From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Oct 19 12:08:24 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Window managers for the "other" windows Message-ID: Here at work, where I'm forced to use windoze, I've made a startling discovery. On Windows98 when you replace the shell=explorer.exe line with shell=command.com in the system.ini, you get that warm fuzzy xinit feeling on startup. Something else profound.. windoze is actually STABLE without Explorer. It's faster and crashed programs are reporting "I'm sorry, I just can't run anymore, would you please shut me down?" instead of "OH MY GOD!!! the world has ended! Active desktop, the MOST IMPORTANT tool in Windows, has CRASHED!!! Please restart NOW or face consequences unforeseen!". So, my question. Are there any window managers available for windoze to replace explorer? I'm currently running Powerdesk from Ontrack and it does a decent job, but a start menu would be kinda nice. I'm starting to get this funny illusion that windoze is *MY* opersting system now and I want to keep it that way. :-) -Brian From scott.w.fischer at att.net Fri Oct 19 12:09:50 2001 From: scott.w.fischer at att.net (scott.w.fischer@att.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Frequency of Kernel releases Message-ID: <20011019162810.EWKJ19017.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> I don't know if I'm paying more attention now or what, but it seems that the frequency of kernel releases is increasing dramatically. And now with today's advice of upgrading to 2.4.12 to close the ptrace vulnerability, my aversion to installing bleeding edge software raises it's head. It seems to me that this frequency is causing (or at least has the potential to cause) more screw ups. See the lifetime of 2.4.11 for an obvious example and the immediate release of the dangling symlink patch to 2.4.12 as another apropos example. So how do I decide what to do? I want to keep my systems as secure as possible, but I also want to make sure I'm not causing greater usability issues by putting out something that's not ready for prime time. I see very little explanation or industry advice on the seriousness of vulnerabilities, only a recommendation to upgrade as soon as possible. So I ask myself, "What if I choose to NOT upgrade? What risk am I taking?" In the post-Sept 11 age, it seems that security analysts/advisors, software developers and even distribution maintainers (how many of you upgrade your kernels in some sort of automated fashion - apt-get, mandrakeUpdate, red-carpet, etc?) are playing on fear to get their stuff implemented. I'm getting frustrated that the activity driving the 2.4.x (STABLE) kernel doesn't feel like its under control as in the 2.2.x (STABLE) kernel. At this point I'm considering downgrading to 2.2.19 and applying patches, just so I can get control of what's happening on my systems again. -swf -- "Don't pray when it rains if you don't pray when the sunshines." - Satchel Paige From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Fri Oct 19 12:15:02 2001 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hardware sale and free stuff. In-Reply-To: <52387354A65AD51193860008C7B19E223A727A@ltexch1.lithotechusa.com> Message-ID: Hey guys I'm cleaning out my computer stuff again, I have some interesting stuff for sale and some older stuff that is free. #1 A 400 mhz celeron system ( capable of taking up to a 100 mhz bus PIII 800), 128 megs SDRAM (NEW!), 20gig hd (NEW!), AGP 8 meg with some 3D (Matrox I think), voodoo II 8 meg, ensonic(soundblaster) PCI sound card, 48x cdrom, Nifty transluecent blue case (New!), 17 inch IBM flat screen monitor, Ergodymanic Micrsoft keyboard (new), ergodynamic 4 button logitec mouse. Has win2k installed. I was using it as a jukebox for our game room here at the frat. asking 500 but willing to deal. #2 SGI indy, RISK MIPS 5000 processor at 150 Mhz. 2 gig hd. IRIX 6.5.12 latest release. 32 megs ram. Asking $125 but willing to deal #3 200 Mhz IBM system, 4 meg video memory, 32 megs or more RAM, 4 gig HD. 14 inch monitor, keyboard, mouse, network, sound, modem, etc... Asking 125 but willing to deal. #4 200 mhz acer system 32 megs memory, no HD at the moment I'll see what I can do, sound, sound, network, 14 inch monitor, $80 bucks or best offer. #5 old 486 laptop, no battery, boots FREE #6 Overdrived P133 24 megs memory needs new battery on motherboard for bios FREE #7 overdrived P120 SCSI, 24 megs memory I think FREE #8 P60 compaq with SCSI, I think it works FREE Colin Kilbane 612-623-9806 From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Fri Oct 19 12:36:04 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FreeBSD NIS Master for Linux and FreeBSD clients Message-ID: Any real hurdles in this, or was it pretty smooth? >>> blutgens@sistina.com 10/18/01 04:41PM >>> I was able to make a FreeBSD NIS Master work with both FreeBSD and Linux NIS clients so all in all it's a good day. From dsherman at real-time.com Fri Oct 19 12:37:30 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Window managers for the "other" windows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200110191644.f9JGiEx13463@enchanter.real-time.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 19 October 2001 11:24, Brian opined on the topic: [TCLUG] OT: Window managers for the "other" windows > Here at work, where I'm forced to use windoze, I've made a startling > discovery. On Windows98 when you replace the shell=explorer.exe line > with shell=command.com in the system.ini, you get that warm fuzzy xinit > feeling on startup. Something else profound.. windoze is actually > STABLE without Explorer. It's faster and crashed programs are reporting > "I'm sorry, I just can't run anymore, would you please shut me down?" > instead of "OH MY GOD!!! the world has ended! Active desktop, the MOST > IMPORTANT tool in Windows, has CRASHED!!! Please restart NOW or face > consequences unforeseen!". > > So, my question. Are there any window managers available for windoze to > replace explorer? I'm currently running Powerdesk from Ontrack and it > does a decent job, but a start menu would be kinda nice. I'm starting > to get this funny illusion that windoze is *MY* opersting system now and > I want to keep it that way. :-) Litestep (www.litestep.org, net, com) has a nice NextStep feel to it. Haven't used it in quite a while, so I can't say as to its stability or functionality. Back in the day, though, it was pretty good. Dave -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE70FiQA68l26XsZUYRAoFbAKDYPdSwSEKVcfiwa5jAGrYUncTz3QCguoJg vnJLgv5yINldBd9ziHOrKEs= =yxHm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bradyh at bitstream.net Fri Oct 19 12:40:36 2001 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] file corruption (?) ripping cds with grip In-Reply-To: <20011018154031.A4579@gordo.space.umn.edu> References: <20011018154031.A4579@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <1003510197.10939.236.camel@localhost.localdomain> I'm just wondering if anyone else has seen this. When I rip files with grip (cdparanoia or cdda2wav) I end up with random length files...when I play the files the music just stops at that point. Sometimes with some clicks after that point. I've had this happen on more than one machine. Maybe I just need a newer better CD drive. Brady PS: There's a writer for Linux Journal who's a security consultant in the Twin Cities. I'm just curious if anyone here knows him. PS: People who use vi also like to reminisce about vacuum tubes. From ray at lctn.k12.mn.us Fri Oct 19 12:43:36 2001 From: ray at lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] how do you copy text in a shell Message-ID: <012c01c158be$9a3d1750$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> I want to post a question providing an error message I am getting. How can I capture the text in a shell, so I can paste it in a posting? Raymond Norton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011019/d5d16318/attachment.html From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Fri Oct 19 13:09:08 2001 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake on a P100? In-Reply-To: <200110191533.f9JFXox32277@enchanter.real-time.com> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20011011101311.02143370@127.0.0.1> <20011018220501.D11401@real-time.com> <15312.16462.869860.178127@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> <200110191533.f9JFXox32277@enchanter.real-time.com> Message-ID: <15312.24385.863432.846135@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> Thanks for the news. I'll have to look at my install to see what's making it such a dog. I've been peeking periodically with 'top', but all I see is lots of time going into idle, while the little icons that tell me I should have a program running, are doing pointless animations.... Anyone have any suggestions for diagnosing this? R >>>>> "DS" == Dave Sherman writes: DS> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 DS> On Friday 19 October 2001 10:01, Robert P. Goldman opined on DS> the topic: Re: [TCLUG] Mandrake on a P100? >> Gosh. I just installed Mandrake 8.1 w/KDE on my Celeron 500 >> MHz @ home with 384MB and it's a total dog. I'm horribly >> depressed that I killed my RH 6.2 install, which was pretty >> zippy. Now I just sit and watch throbbing icons as programs >> take forever to start up, when things used to be zippy. >> >> Dunno what's causing the problem and haven't had time to >> investigate yet.... DS> It runs fine on my Celeron 366 with 192MB... Actually, Gnome DS> is pretty slow (Nautilus is a killer), but KDE is pretty DS> quick. DS> Dave -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 DS> (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org DS> iD8DBQE70EgTA68l26XsZUYRAni7AJ9S4NfxUfCjoy/texji/zA/BIPXwgCgjnw7 DS> +d8trfe3Jmo0XWGcroytdkA= =mbER -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Fri Oct 19 13:13:15 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] how do you copy text in a shell In-Reply-To: <012c01c158be$9a3d1750$0238dccc@hutchtel.net>; from ray@lctn.k12.mn.us on Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 11:53:39AM -0500 References: <012c01c158be$9a3d1750$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> Message-ID: <20011019123305.A5004@trammell.dyndns.org> On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 11:53:39AM -0500, Raymond Norton wrote: > I want to post a question providing an error message I am getting. How can I capture the text in a shell, so I can paste it in a posting? > which shell? do an echo $SHELL if you're not sure. for tcsh: command >& output.txt for bash: command > stdout.txt 2> stderr.txt -- johntrammell@yahoo.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011019134206.5520097c.blayer@qwest.net> On Fri, 19 Oct 2001 10:11:12 -0500 (CDT) "Nate Carlson" wrote: > UGH! McLeod is dead; PRI and analog line are down, all the phone numbers I > have for them give a fast-busy. FWIW, the fast busy tone is known as a 'reorder tone' in telecom terms. Sound informed, make them sweat. ;) Bill From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Fri Oct 19 13:41:10 2001 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (Jim Kaufman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Window managers for the "other" windows In-Reply-To: <200110191644.f9JGiEx13463@enchanter.real-time.com>; from dsherman@real-time.com on Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 11:45:03AM -0500 References: <200110191644.f9JGiEx13463@enchanter.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011019124455.A26207@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 11:45:03AM -0500, Dave Sherman wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Friday 19 October 2001 11:24, Brian opined on the topic: [TCLUG] OT: > Window managers for the "other" windows > > Here at work, where I'm forced to use windoze, I've made a startling > > discovery. On Windows98 when you replace the shell=explorer.exe line > > with shell=command.com in the system.ini, you get that warm fuzzy xinit > > feeling on startup. Something else profound.. windoze is actually > > STABLE without Explorer. It's faster and crashed programs are reporting > > "I'm sorry, I just can't run anymore, would you please shut me down?" > > instead of "OH MY GOD!!! the world has ended! Active desktop, the MOST > > IMPORTANT tool in Windows, has CRASHED!!! Please restart NOW or face > > consequences unforeseen!". > > > > So, my question. Are there any window managers available for windoze to > > replace explorer? I'm currently running Powerdesk from Ontrack and it > > does a decent job, but a start menu would be kinda nice. I'm starting > > to get this funny illusion that windoze is *MY* opersting system now and > > I want to keep it that way. :-) > > Litestep (www.litestep.org, net, com) has a nice NextStep feel to it. > Haven't used it in quite a while, so I can't say as to its stability or > functionality. Back in the day, though, it was pretty good. > > Dave > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE70FiQA68l26XsZUYRAoFbAKDYPdSwSEKVcfiwa5jAGrYUncTz3QCguoJg > vnJLgv5yINldBd9ziHOrKEs= > =yxHm > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list I use LiteStep at home under Win4Lin. It works great. I also use it on the laptop system I have at work that has to run Win xx. -- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dsherman at real-time.com Fri Oct 19 13:43:42 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake on a P100? In-Reply-To: <15312.24385.863432.846135@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20011011101311.02143370@127.0.0.1> <200110191533.f9JFXox32277@enchanter.real-time.com> <15312.24385.863432.846135@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <200110191805.f9JI5nx24540@enchanter.real-time.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 19 October 2001 12:13, Robert P. Goldman opined on the topic: Re: [TCLUG] Mandrake on a P100? > Thanks for the news. I'll have to look at my install to see what's > making it such a dog. I've been peeking periodically with 'top', but > all I see is lots of time going into idle, while the little icons that > tell me I should have a program running, are doing pointless > animations.... > > Anyone have any suggestions for diagnosing this? I've run into slowness problems when I got disconnected from my network. The reason is that X, being a network-based application, tries to do hostname lookups for just about every request made -- including launching programs. If it can't find the host name, it will wait to timeout before allowing the program to launch. To fix it, I added my hostname to the /etc/hosts file, with the IP 127.0.0.1 -- I don't know if there is a better solution. This worked well enough for me. Dave -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE70GupA68l26XsZUYRAilzAKCbVONGbjfZhz9A62ZASI6wQScr+wCgshOt /hgQhQmshe1TbaSqSQVJUd4= =Mglt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From thomas at stderr.net Fri Oct 19 14:09:01 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake on a P100? In-Reply-To: <20011019101231.A5229@gordo.space.umn.edu>; from crumley@belka.space.umn.edu on Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 10:12:31AM -0500 References: <20011019133219.EDEB5495.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> <200110191415.f9JEFbx18915@enchanter.real-time.com> <20011019095738.C6538@beaver.iucha.org> <20011019101231.A5229@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011019201039.G44574@io.stderr.net> On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 10:12:31AM -0500, Jim Crumley wrote: > On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 09:57:38AM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 09:16:34AM -0500, Dave Sherman wrote: > > > I wouldn't even go with a full desktop environ, just a window manager. > > > There are plenty to choose from -- some lightweights include (but are not > > > limited to) blackbox, afterstep (one of my favorites), twm, xfce (I > > > think?), sawfish (another fave)... > > > > icewm > > > Windowmaker > console! what's this discussion about anyway? -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Oct 19 14:10:40 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] how do you copy text in a shell Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE00B@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Or run "script" before doing your thing. When your session is done, type exit. Everything done will be saved to a file in the current directory called "typescript". > -----Original Message----- > From: John J. Trammell [mailto:trammell@trammell.dyndns.org] > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 12:33 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] how do you copy text in a shell > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 11:53:39AM -0500, Raymond Norton wrote: > > I want to post a question providing an error message I am > getting. How > > can I capture the text in a shell, so I can paste it in a posting? > > > > which shell? do an > > echo $SHELL > > if you're not sure. > > for tcsh: > > command >& output.txt > > for bash: > > command > stdout.txt 2> stderr.txt > > -- > johntrammell@yahoo.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 > 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List > (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > From nate at techie.com Fri Oct 19 14:12:14 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] how do you copy text in a shell In-Reply-To: <012c01c158be$9a3d1750$0238dccc@hutchtel.net>; from ray@lctn.k12.mn.us on Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 11:53:39AM -0500 References: <012c01c158be$9a3d1750$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> Message-ID: <20011019131257.A13284@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 11:53:39AM -0500, Raymond Norton wrote: > I want to post a question providing an error message I am getting. How > can I capture the text in a shell, so I can paste it in a posting? By "shell" do you mean xterm? i.e. a window in X that contains your shell prompt and the error message? If so, highlight the message by selecting the text with the mouse. Then point the mouse at your email editor and click the middle button. X will paste the highlighted text into the editor. Nate From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Oct 19 14:16:28 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FD_SET() limits in 2.4 kernel Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE00C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Why are the file descriptor limits still so low? I understand that for most things it's fine, but when building a super high performance mail server, this just isn't enough. Can this setting be changed on the fly yet like in Slowlaris? I tried using BSD instead, but the performance of it sucked compared to linux. I don't think this should be the case, but that's what I found. Maybe I'll try it again. Of course, I think the BSD kernel needs to be recompiled also to raise this setting. Doh. Jay From duncan at sodatrain.com Fri Oct 19 14:18:46 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] McLeod Contact? References: <20011019134206.5520097c.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3BD06FB4.2010804@sodatrain.com> talked to a guy i know who engineers "on-hold" boxes (voices you hear when on hold...) and he said that a fast busy is a 'trunk' busy, that you arent even making it all the way to the other ends phone. sounding informed can be key. duncan > > FWIW, the fast busy tone is known as a 'reorder tone' in telecom terms. Sound informed, make them sweat. ;) > > Bill > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Oct 19 14:20:12 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Smartlist performance Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE00D@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Has anyone used Smartlist? How does it perform? (compared to other list managers if you know) The main thing that caught my eye with Smartlist is it's choplist program that will group all of the recipient's on a list together and put them in their own message (all aol.com recipients get grouped in a message, all yahoo.com get grouped in another, and so on). That way, I can pipeline messages to remote hosts instead of opening up a separate connection for each message, using much less resources. So, Smartlist users, anyone? Does anyone know of any other mailing list managers that will split up messages like choplist will? Jay From fertch at mninter.net Fri Oct 19 14:24:32 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake on a P100? References: <20011019133219.EDEB5495.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> <20011019094205.C16049@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3BD02C19.5070707@mninter.net> Care to put a little info out on this Carl? I'm finding that Gnome 1.4 is too bloated and slow for me, so I'm looking to find something that's lighter and faster for my little ThinkPad. Shawn Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: >>(suggestions anyone?). >> > >uh oh, new war, window managers/desktop environments... > >FVWM rules! > >I've thought about giving a presentation on FVWM at a LUG meeting; but there >isn't much to say about it... you set it up once in your life, and it just >works from that point on. > >Carl Soderstrom > From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Oct 19 14:26:08 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailman archives (suckage) In-Reply-To: <20011019011239.B17917@real-time.com> References: <20011011033211.D16071@real-time.com> <20011018233102.B12370@wookimus.net> <20011019011239.B17917@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011019133144.B15219@wookimus.net> Bob responded regarding the use of a perl program to insert emails into a set of database tables: I talked to Rias on irc about this. The problem is the database design. To be blunt, I suck at database design :-) As Rias and I bounced ideas back and forth, I think the best ideas would be to enhance mailman to use vfolders, thus allowing a varity of backend persistent storage (db, mbox, maildir, etc). I believe there is even a vfolder api for searching, but I did not research it any further. I'm not familiar with the vfolder api. It sounds like a nice separation of logic and would probably work well as a long-term solution/feature. I'm also not familiar with the exact problem you're having, as I have been lurking for quite some time. I'll look back at it and maybe I can give a couple suggestions. Oh, did you ever roll out that database syslog script I wrote while at Real Time? I did create a sourceforge project for it, but have since not done a thing for it. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Can this setting be changed on the fly yet like in > Slowlaris? > Look at /Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt for info on dynamically changing fd limits. or just do: echo [new fd limit] > /proc/sys/fs/file-max Rob From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Oct 19 14:46:07 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Smartlist performance In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE00D@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE00D@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011019135657.F15219@wookimus.net> On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 01:23:24PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > Has anyone used Smartlist? How does it perform? (compared to other > list managers if you know) The main thing that caught my eye with > Smartlist is it's choplist program that will group all of the > recipient's on a list together and put them in their own message (all > aol.com recipients get grouped in a message, all yahoo.com get grouped > in another, and so on). That way, I can pipeline messages to remote > hosts instead of opening up a separate connection for each message, > using much less resources. > > So, Smartlist users, anyone? > > Does anyone know of any other mailing list managers that will split up > messages like choplist will? Smartlist is used by the Debian organization to manage all of their email lists. Follow the links regarding lists at http://www.debian.org. You really shouldn't need choplist if you're using qmail or postfix, though. They're much better suited for large volumes of mail. Also, wasn't there an email server out there called zmailer or something? Ah, yes. Here it is: Package: zmailer Priority: extra Section: mail Installed-Size: 3096 Maintainer: Hector Garcia Architecture: i386 Version: 2.99.55-1 Provides: mail-transport-agent Depends: libc6 (>= 2.2.3-7), libdb2 (>= 2:2.7.7-4), libgdbmg1, netbase Suggests: mail-reader, metamail Conflicts: mail-transport-agent Filename: pool/main/z/zmailer/zmailer_2.99.55-1_i386.deb Size: 1130140 MD5sum: 6dec14e51b37d3151712ded9c3cd58fd Description: Mailer for Extreme Performance Demands This is a package that implements an internet Message Transfer Agent called ZMailer. It is intended for gateways or mail servers or other large site environments that have extreme demands on the abilities of the mailer. It was motivated by the problems of the Sendmail design in such situations. ZMailer is one of the mailers able to deal with huge quantities of mail and is more efficient any other mailer, qmail included, mostly due to its excellent queueing algorithms. . Most users don't need this package -- for most users, sendmail or exim or smail will suffice. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011019/ef82c64c/attachment.pgp From churchill_dan at htc.honeywell.com Fri Oct 19 14:50:15 2001 From: churchill_dan at htc.honeywell.com (Churchill, Dan (MN65)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] McLeod Contact? Message-ID: Sounds like McLeod is having significant trouble. Visi.com has sent out a notice that is significant number of their dial-in and ISDN customers are being affected by McLeod services being down as well. Good luck getting hold of them - the Visi e-mail said they had called them and have yet to get a response. > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of duncan > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 1:24 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] McLeod Contact? > > > talked to a guy i know who engineers "on-hold" boxes (voices you hear > when on hold...) and he said that a fast busy is a 'trunk' busy, that > you arent even making it all the way to the other ends phone. > > sounding informed can be key. > > duncan > > > > > > FWIW, the fast busy tone is known as a 'reorder tone' in > telecom terms. Sound informed, make them sweat. ;) > > > > Bill > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com Fri Oct 19 14:51:40 2001 From: simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Frequency of Kernel releases Message-ID: I was advised not to use anything above 2.4.9 or so. Apparently there was a lot of test kernel code incorporated into the 2.4.10 and up. That's what I heard anyway. May want to wait a few versions for everything to iron itself out... sim From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Oct 19 14:53:07 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:54 2005 Subject: OT: more flameage fun (was Re: [TCLUG] file corruption (?) ripping cds with grip) In-Reply-To: <1003510197.10939.236.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20011018154031.A4579@gordo.space.umn.edu> <1003510197.10939.236.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20011019133824.D15219@wookimus.net> On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 11:49:57AM -0500, Brady Hegberg wrote: > PS: People who use vi also like to reminisce about vacuum tubes. And people who don't still rely upon a pacifier and a blankie... -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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How come we can't seem to have it both ways, stable and secure. -swf -- "Don't pray when it rains if you don't pray when the sun shines." - Satchel Paige From chrome at real-time.com Fri Oct 19 15:15:05 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake on a P100? In-Reply-To: <3BD02C19.5070707@mninter.net>; from fertch@mninter.net on Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 01:35:21PM +0000 References: <20011019133219.EDEB5495.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> <20011019094205.C16049@real-time.com> <3BD02C19.5070707@mninter.net> Message-ID: <20011019142703.E23936@real-time.com> > Care to put a little info out on this Carl? I'm finding that Gnome 1.4 > is too bloated and slow for me, so I'm looking to find something that's > lighter and faster for my little ThinkPad. here's a slightly old version of my .fvwm2rc file. http://copper.redchrome.org/~chrome/fvwm2rc I can't say that FVWM is actually any lighter-weight than say blackbox, or icewm, or windowmaker. it *is* however, much more customizable than most (and just as much as any). I can rearrange/repurpose buttons; design/draw vector-graphic buttons in the config file (just look at the 'button styles' section of my config file); define how long it takes to auto-raise; define per-window behavior... and a lot of other things I don't bother with (bitmapped decorations, scripting simple forms/dialogs in the config file, and a number of plugins) I know that other window managers can do many of these things; but I haven't seen many lightweight ones that are capable of most of these things. (let alone all of them). also, FVWM is a very mature and stable codebase. I use Enlightenment at home, for the sake of eye candy and variety; but it's entirely too fragile. (too easy to break the config and leave it unusable). so I use FVWM when I want to actually get work done. still, I'll be the first to say that window managers are possibly the most personal choice that a user makes. everyone needs to choose for themselves the desktop that works best for them. this is why I resent the people who say we should only have one desktop for Linux, in order to beat MS... if that's the price of 'winning', I don't want that 'victory', because I'll be back to having my user evironment dictated to me. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From florin at iucha.net Fri Oct 19 15:16:26 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake on a P100? In-Reply-To: <20011019201039.G44574@io.stderr.net>; from thomas@stderr.net on Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 08:10:39PM +0200 References: <20011019133219.EDEB5495.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> <200110191415.f9JEFbx18915@enchanter.real-time.com> <20011019095738.C6538@beaver.iucha.org> <20011019101231.A5229@gordo.space.umn.edu> <20011019201039.G44574@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20011019142751.A4724@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 08:10:39PM +0200, Thomas Eibner wrote: > On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 10:12:31AM -0500, Jim Crumley wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 09:57:38AM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 09:16:34AM -0500, Dave Sherman wrote: > > > > I wouldn't even go with a full desktop environ, just a window manager. > > > > There are plenty to choose from -- some lightweights include (but are not > > > > limited to) blackbox, afterstep (one of my favorites), twm, xfce (I > > > > think?), sawfish (another fave)... > > > > > > icewm > > > > > Windowmaker > > > console! what's this discussion about anyway? Hmm... I haven't noticed any console screenshots on your website :) http://thomas.eibner.dk/pictures/screenshots/ But I might be wrong... florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011019/4f5bb2c1/attachment.pgp From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Oct 19 15:19:28 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Smartlist performance Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE00F@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Actually, I do need choplist (or something similar). All of the lists I am sending out are time sensitive (stock market info and news), so the faster I can get them out the better. By pipelining messages to remote mail servers instead of opening a bunch of separate connections, I'm less likely to kill the remote ones with too much mail (I'm using qmail and it doesn't have rate limiting). The list server uses my smarthost (qmail) as a relay, and the smarthost directs outgoing mail to a cluster of QMTP servers (qmail, obviously) that actually do the sending. I'm currently using ezmlm, and while it works, it's becoming a nightmare to administer with all of the lists and subscribers we have. I'm not a mail admin, I'm a network guy, but this mailing list BS is starting to take up too much of my time, and I need to get something built which I don't need to touch for a very long time. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Chad C. Walstrom [mailto:chewie@wookimus.net] > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 1:57 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Smartlist performance > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 01:23:24PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > > Has anyone used Smartlist? How does it perform? (compared to other > > list managers if you know) The main thing that caught my eye with > > Smartlist is it's choplist program that will group all of the > > recipient's on a list together and put them in their own > message (all > > aol.com recipients get grouped in a message, all yahoo.com > get grouped > > in another, and so on). That way, I can pipeline messages > to remote > > hosts instead of opening up a separate connection for each message, > > using much less resources. > > > > So, Smartlist users, anyone? > > > > Does anyone know of any other mailing list managers that > will split up > > messages like choplist will? > > Smartlist is used by the Debian organization to manage all of > their email lists. Follow the links regarding lists at http://www.debian.org. You really shouldn't need choplist if you're using qmail or postfix, though. They're much better suited for large volumes of mail. Also, wasn't there an email server out there called zmailer or something? Ah, yes. Here it is: Package: zmailer Priority: extra Section: mail Installed-Size: 3096 Maintainer: Hector Garcia Architecture: i386 Version: 2.99.55-1 Provides: mail-transport-agent Depends: libc6 (>= 2.2.3-7), libdb2 (>= 2:2.7.7-4), libgdbmg1, netbase Suggests: mail-reader, metamail Conflicts: mail-transport-agent Filename: pool/main/z/zmailer/zmailer_2.99.55-1_i386.deb Size: 1130140 MD5sum: 6dec14e51b37d3151712ded9c3cd58fd Description: Mailer for Extreme Performance Demands This is a package that implements an internet Message Transfer Agent called ZMailer. It is intended for gateways or mail servers or other large site environments that have extreme demands on the abilities of the mailer. It was motivated by the problems of the Sendmail design in such situations. ZMailer is one of the mailers able to deal with huge quantities of mail and is more efficient any other mailer, qmail included, mostly due to its excellent queueing algorithms. . Most users don't need this package -- for most users, sendmail or exim or smail will suffice. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD From chrome at real-time.com Fri Oct 19 15:21:08 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FD_SET() limits in 2.4 kernel In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE00C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 01:17:54PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE00C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011019143807.F23936@real-time.com> > Why are the file descriptor limits still so low? I understand that for most > things it's fine, but when building a super high performance mail server, > this just isn't enough. Can this setting be changed on the fly yet like in > Slowlaris? are you using 2.2 or 2.4? in 2.2, the default was 4096 file descriptors, in 2.4 the default is raised to 8192. (look in /proc/sys/fs/file-max). to change this, either: echo > /proc/sys/fs/file-max or: sysctl -w fs.file-max= you can also put: fs.file-max= in your /etc/sysctl.conf file, if your distro uses that. (RH does, SuSE doesn't by default). then it should be read in at boot time. alternatively, put the 'echo > /proc/sys/fs/file-max' in whatever your distro uses for rc.local. 'man sysctl' for more info. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Oct 19 15:23:38 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FD_SET() limits in 2.4 kernel Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE010@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> This doesn't work. There is an FD_SET() limit compiled into the kernel which is set to 1024 by default. It's been this way for a long time. I don't know what the difference between fs.file-max is and the FD_SET(), but there is a difference. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Bajorek [mailto:rob@tatsumaki.org] > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 1:53 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] FD_SET() limits in 2.4 kernel > > > Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com) said: > > > Why are the file descriptor limits still so low? I understand that > > for most things it's fine, but when building a super high > performance > > mail server, this just isn't enough. Can this setting be > changed on > > the fly yet like in Slowlaris? > > > > Look at /Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt > for info on dynamically changing fd limits. > > or just do: > > echo [new fd limit] > /proc/sys/fs/file-max > > Rob > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Oct 19 15:45:57 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FD_SET() limits in 2.4 kernel Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE011@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Also, I can verify this by modifying qmail so it will compile without checking for this limit, and it crashes above a concurrency of anything above 509 (i.e. when the 510th qmail-remote process starts). > -----Original Message----- > From: Austad, Jay [mailto:austad@marketwatch.com] > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 2:40 PM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] FD_SET() limits in 2.4 kernel > > > This doesn't work. There is an FD_SET() limit compiled into > the kernel which is set to 1024 by default. It's been this > way for a long time. I don't know what the difference > between fs.file-max is and the FD_SET(), but there is a difference. > > Jay > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rob Bajorek [mailto:rob@tatsumaki.org] > > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 1:53 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] FD_SET() limits in 2.4 kernel > > > > > > Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com) said: > > > > > Why are the file descriptor limits still so low? I > understand that > > > for most things it's fine, but when building a super high > > performance > > > mail server, this just isn't enough. Can this setting be > > changed on > > > the fly yet like in Slowlaris? > > > > > > > Look at /Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt > > for info on dynamically changing fd limits. > > > > or just do: > > > > echo [new fd limit] > /proc/sys/fs/file-max > > > > Rob > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From steveg at transition.com Fri Oct 19 15:48:27 2001 From: steveg at transition.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] McLeod Contact? Message-ID: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BC067@postman.transition.com> I had a Qwest guy in here earlier today and he had trouble getting in touch with Qwest's tech support due to the large volume of calls. Looks like something big got broke, just like last Tuesday when a huge chunk of Eden Prairie lost service for about 3 hours. -----Original Message----- From: Churchill, Dan (MN65) [mailto:churchill_dan@htc.honeywell.com] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 2:04 PM To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' Subject: RE: [TCLUG] McLeod Contact? Sounds like McLeod is having significant trouble. Visi.com has sent out a notice that is significant number of their dial-in and ISDN customers are being affected by McLeod services being down as well. Good luck getting hold of them - the Visi e-mail said they had called them and have yet to get a response. > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of duncan > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 1:24 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] McLeod Contact? > > > talked to a guy i know who engineers "on-hold" boxes (voices you hear > when on hold...) and he said that a fast busy is a 'trunk' busy, that > you arent even making it all the way to the other ends phone. > > sounding informed can be key. > > duncan > > > > > > FWIW, the fast busy tone is known as a 'reorder tone' in > telecom terms. Sound informed, make them sweat. ;) > > > > Bill > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rob at tatsumaki.org Fri Oct 19 16:16:39 2001 From: rob at tatsumaki.org (Rob Bajorek) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FD_SET() limits in 2.4 kernel In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE011@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 03:00:25PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE011@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011019153505.C18788@madoka.tatsumaki.org> Sorry, you also have to set ulimit higher. Example: $ ulimit -Hn 1024 $ ulimit -n 1024 As root: # echo 65536 > /proc/sys/fs/file-max # ulimit -Hn 65536 # ulimit -n 65536 NEW login as regular user: $ ulimit -Hn 65536 $ ulimit -n 65536 Rob Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com) said: > Also, I can verify this by modifying qmail so it will compile without > checking for this limit, and it crashes above a concurrency of anything > above 509 (i.e. when the 510th qmail-remote process starts). > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Austad, Jay [mailto:austad@marketwatch.com] > > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 2:40 PM > > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] FD_SET() limits in 2.4 kernel > > > > > > This doesn't work. There is an FD_SET() limit compiled into > > the kernel which is set to 1024 by default. It's been this > > way for a long time. I don't know what the difference > > between fs.file-max is and the FD_SET(), but there is a difference. > > > > Jay > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Rob Bajorek [mailto:rob@tatsumaki.org] > > > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 1:53 PM > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] FD_SET() limits in 2.4 kernel > > > > > > > > > Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com) said: > > > > > > > Why are the file descriptor limits still so low? I > > understand that > > > > for most things it's fine, but when building a super high > > > performance > > > > mail server, this just isn't enough. Can this setting be > > > changed on > > > > the fly yet like in Slowlaris? > > > > > > > > > > Look at /Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt > > > for info on dynamically changing fd limits. > > > > > > or just do: > > > > > > echo [new fd limit] > /proc/sys/fs/file-max > > > > > > Rob > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Oct 19 16:44:01 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FreeBSD NIS Master for Linux and FreeBSD clients In-Reply-To: ; from troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us on Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 11:41:19AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20011019154510.B5528@chuck> On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 11:41:19AM -0500, Troy.A Johnson wrote: >Any real hurdles in this, or was it pretty smooth? > >>>> blutgens@sistina.com 10/18/01 04:41PM >>> >I was able to make a FreeBSD NIS Master work with both FreeBSD and Linux >NIS clients so all in all it's a good day. pretty smooth, you wanna make sure you set UNSECURE=yes in /var/yp/Makefile before you run ypinit -m so it don't use secure rpc (you only wanna do this if you're sure it safe) Not recommended for most things, but for my application it's o.k. > > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I haven't noticed any console screenshots on your website :) > > http://thomas.eibner.dk/pictures/screenshots/ > > But I might be wrong... Damn! should have removed those bloaty screenshots long time ago ;-) I was going to reply sawfish+gnome, but then I remember it was a light wm he was looking for. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com Fri Oct 19 17:21:01 2001 From: simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake on a P100? Message-ID: I'm also very interested in a light wm. So.... X 3.x.x (can't remember the exact version) and FVWM would work well w/ a 486DX/100 and 24MB ram? 640x480x256. I need something for my laptop... Plus a lot of ssh work. Mutt + MTA/MDA + IMAP etc... Development work - C/C++/Python/Perl/Assy. Console stuff - Minicom etc. hmm... Is this enough of a machine to do this w/ a GUI? Anyone tried NanoX/Microwindows? TinyX? sim From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Oct 19 17:49:14 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FD_SET() limits in 2.4 kernel Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE018@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> No workie. The limits get set. And if I change it so it ignores the problem and compiles anyway, it crashes on when the 510th qmail-remote starts. I know it's possible to do, there are some kernel patches to get around this, but they were for kernel 2.2. I thought that maybe this was something that was able to be set on the fly in 2.4, but I guess not. Here's the output of a few commands: [root@austad qmail-1.03]# cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max 65536 [root@austad qmail-1.03]# cat /proc/sys/kernel/threads-max 8192 [root@austad qmail-1.03]# ulimit -a core file size (blocks) 0 data seg size (kbytes) unlimited file size (blocks) unlimited max locked memory (kbytes) unlimited max memory size (kbytes) unlimited open files 65536 pipe size (512 bytes) 8 stack size (kbytes) unlimited cpu time (seconds) unlimited max user processes 4096 virtual memory (kbytes) unlimited [root@austad qmail-1.03]# ./chkspawn Oops. Your system's FD_SET() has a hidden limit of 1024 descriptors. This means that the qmail daemons could crash if you set the run-time concurrency higher than 509. So I'm going to insist that the concurrency limit in conf-spawn be at most 509. Right now it's 2048. [root@austad qmail-1.03]# > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Bajorek [mailto:rob@tatsumaki.org] > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 3:35 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] FD_SET() limits in 2.4 kernel > > > Sorry, you also have to set ulimit higher. > > Example: > $ ulimit -Hn > 1024 > $ ulimit -n > 1024 > > As root: > > # echo 65536 > /proc/sys/fs/file-max > # ulimit -Hn 65536 > # ulimit -n 65536 > > NEW login as regular user: > > $ ulimit -Hn > 65536 > $ ulimit -n > 65536 > > Rob > > Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com) said: > > > Also, I can verify this by modifying qmail so it will > compile without > > checking for this limit, and it crashes above a concurrency of > > anything above 509 (i.e. when the 510th qmail-remote > process starts). > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Austad, Jay [mailto:austad@marketwatch.com] > > > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 2:40 PM > > > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > > > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] FD_SET() limits in 2.4 kernel > > > > > > > > > This doesn't work. There is an FD_SET() limit compiled into > > > the kernel which is set to 1024 by default. It's been this > > > way for a long time. I don't know what the difference > > > between fs.file-max is and the FD_SET(), but there is a > difference. > > > > > > Jay > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Rob Bajorek [mailto:rob@tatsumaki.org] > > > > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 1:53 PM > > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] FD_SET() limits in 2.4 kernel > > > > > > > > > > > > Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com) said: > > > > > > > > > Why are the file descriptor limits still so low? I > > > understand that > > > > > for most things it's fine, but when building a super high > > > > performance > > > > > mail server, this just isn't enough. Can this setting be > > > > changed on > > > > > the fly yet like in Slowlaris? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Look at /Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt > > > > for info on dynamically changing fd limits. > > > > > > > > or just do: > > > > > > > > echo [new fd limit] > /proc/sys/fs/file-max > > > > > > > > Rob > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > > > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Oct 19 18:23:39 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mailman.linux.org In-Reply-To: <20011019130835.DTQD5495.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> References: <20011019130835.DTQD5495.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <20011019172709.6d26e375.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> scott.w.fischer@att.net wrote: > > What is the irc list and server? I couldn't find this information on > the website anywhere. Clay or Bob or ...: I noticed this today as well, while I was writing up an e-mail recommending the LUG to folks at work. Could a page be added to the website? It'd be appreciated. I never really realized until today that the LUG is so broad these days. Monthly meetings, beermeetings, installfests, mailing lists (with job postings etc), IRC, classifieds, and that squishy feeling that you can only get when involved in a LUG ;-) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Puritanism: The haunting / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ fear that someone, \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) somewhere may be happy. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I thought that maybe this > was something that was able to be set on the fly in 2.4, but I guess not. > Here's the output of a few commands: This probably isn't an answer that you'll like a whole lot, but Alan Cox has often integrated file descriptor hacks into his kernels. I'm not sure if that's still happening in 2.4, but he did it with 2.2 kernels quite a bit. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ "Thank You. Please Come / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Again." -- Apu \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You can try ripping directly with cdparanoia, and then playing the output .wavs with `play' (usually in the `sox' package). Yeah, it's quite possible you need a better CD drive -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ In an alternate universe, / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ their name is Macrohard. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011019/85199df2/attachment.pgp From rahrenstorff at yahoo.com Fri Oct 19 18:34:03 2001 From: rahrenstorff at yahoo.com (Rodd Ahrenstorff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake on a P100? In-Reply-To: <20011019095738.C6538@beaver.iucha.org> References: <20011019133219.EDEB5495.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> <200110191415.f9JEFbx18915@enchanter.real-time.com> <20011019095738.C6538@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <200110191617.f9JGHXb11647@sprite.real-time.com> > > > I just loaded up Mdk8.1 on my daughter's Pentium 133 with 128Mb RAM, > > > primarily a KDE used environment. Let me just say this. It's painful. I'm pretty new at all this, but... On this topic, I have 2 Pentium (100 & 133Mhz) systems collecting dust at my house. However, since I now have a cable modem at home I would like to revive at least one to use as an anonymous FTP server with a login. With only minimum traffic would this machine suffice? I would be running it with a 10gig HD, 133Mhz chip, 256Mb RAM, 3Com 905* NIC. Would fhttpd be a good place to start? I currently have the Mandrake distribution. Are there other recommendations for an ftp application. Thanks for your help. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Oct 19 18:49:17 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4.12 won't compile In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011019175240.510f3ff7.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Jon Schewe wrote: > > Figured it out. Seems that there's a bug in the 2.4.10 nfs server that > created bad symlinks. Something like instead of linking to the file, it > linked to the actual data, so ls would give me foo -> #include > ... > Really nasty. I put everything local, recompiled and rebooted and I'm > all good now. Yeah, there has been more flux in the 2.4 series than I like to see. Linus should really fork off the development kernel (they're probably waiting 'til around the 25th, for one reason or another (XP XP XP XP)) I'm now avoiding compiling kernels myself, mostly because I don't like dealing with configuring it anymore. The number of options just goes beyond what I need to care about. Something of note in the recent 2.4 kernels. I've noticed (on Debian, at least) that (U)DMA drives aren't running in DMA mode by default anymore. This results in severely degraded performance (IDE sucks! ;-). You'll have to manually fix this with the `hdparm' utility. Before doing any of the below, run `hdparm -i /dev/hdX', which will give you some information about the IDE device (what modes it supports, etc). I'd recommmend at least running `hdparm -d1 /dev/hdX' on your hard drives. If your drive and controller can handle UDMA33, also run `hdparm -X66 /dev/hdX' For UDMA66, run `hdparm -X68 /dev/hdX'. More information is on hdparm's man page. If you don't understand it, it's probably best not to play around with the program as it can make your system unstable in certain situations. And one last note: I noticed a significant reduction in memory usage when I went to the 2.4.10 kernel. Is this just my imagination? I'm kind of suspecting it had something to do with my AGP controller (AMD 761) finally being supported.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Lead me not into / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ temptation, I can find \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) it myself. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Could a page be added to the > website? It'd be appreciated. Just make sure the box is up, apache is up, there is enough disk space, etc. Clay is the guy who does the html work. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Fri Oct 19 18:52:11 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hardware sale In-Reply-To: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E06C4B33D@msgmsp15.norwest.com>; from Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM on Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 08:44:04AM -0500 References: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E06C4B33D@msgmsp15.norwest.com> Message-ID: <20011019175942.K24491@real-time.com> Quoting Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM (Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM): > Bob, > What type of hards/hubs are they? It's all HP gear. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From kdeborah8 at qwest.net Fri Oct 19 18:53:35 2001 From: kdeborah8 at qwest.net (Joseph Key) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] News Breaking News In Brief Message-ID: <019501c158f2$648bd4a0$0139a8c0@tomobiki.dyndns.org> Cisco has a recall on some of the power supplies for ADSL routers. Power supplies with part number 34-0949-02 are affected. The zdnet link talks about it and gives a link to cisco if you have that type of supply. http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/newsbursts/0,7407,2818161,00.html Joseph Key From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Oct 19 19:22:43 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake on a P100? In-Reply-To: <200110191617.f9JGHXb11647@sprite.real-time.com> References: <20011019133219.EDEB5495.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> <200110191415.f9JEFbx18915@enchanter.real-time.com> <20011019095738.C6538@beaver.iucha.org> <200110191617.f9JGHXb11647@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011019183215.5b172c2c.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Rodd Ahrenstorff wrote: > > On this topic, I have 2 Pentium (100 & 133Mhz) systems collecting dust > at my house. However, since I now have a cable modem at home I would > like to revive at least one to use as an anonymous FTP server with a > login. With only minimum traffic would this machine suffice? I would > be running it with a 10gig HD, 133Mhz chip, 256Mb RAM, 3Com 905* NIC. A low-end Pentium can pretty easily saturate a 10Mbit connection if the data has already been cached. If conditions are right, that's probably possible while reading from disk (enabling DMA could be a big help here -- see my previous post). A cable modem is insignificant. Ah, bandwidth and Linux.. Reminds me of Ben Kochie's old story of a 386 router he had with two ISA NICs - one was even 8-bit. It could still route 300kB/s if I remember right. Of course, serving is a different beast, but it just goes to show how optimized the networking in Linux is. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I'm a nobody. Nobody is / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ perfect. Therefore I'm \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) perfect. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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However, since I now have a cable modem at home I would like to > revive at least one to use as an anonymous FTP server with a login. With > only minimum traffic would this machine suffice? I would be running it with > a 10gig HD, 133Mhz chip, 256Mb RAM, 3Com 905* NIC. copper.redchrome.org is a 486/25SX with 12MB RAM and 200MB of disk. :) an SCP connection to it'll saturate my 128K ISDN line, and it's not sluggish over 10base-T here at the office. I suspect it'll serve up data as fast as anyone is likely to suck off it. :) it's a bit slow to get the ssh connection to at first; but still peppier than some of the SPARC 10s here. I will say that when I was running OpenBSD on it, it took a notable amount of time to hash the blowfish'ed passwords (at login). ;> let's not lose sight of what we used to be able to do with hardware a couple of years ago. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Fri Oct 19 19:39:32 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake on a P100? In-Reply-To: ; from simeonuj@indivisuallearning.com on Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 04:40:18PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20011019181838.E21118@real-time.com> > So.... X 3.x.x (can't remember the exact version) and FVWM would work > well w/ a 486DX/100 and 24MB ram? 640x480x256. I need something for my > laptop... > Plus a lot of ssh work. Mutt + MTA/MDA + IMAP etc... > Development work - C/C++/Python/Perl/Assy. > Console stuff - Minicom etc. go for X4. I haven't noticed it being slower than X3; at least on my P166. it's easier to configure, and supports more stuff. > hmm... Is this enough of a machine to do this w/ a GUI? I ran WordPerfect 8 with FVWM on a 486/66/44MB over a VNC connection; and it was just as peppy as MS Word on my P200 workstation. had an annoying tendency to crash when reading particular Word documents, tho. :( Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From ray at lctn.k12.mn.us Fri Oct 19 19:56:00 2001 From: ray at lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake on a P100? References: <20011019133219.EDEB5495.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net><200110191415.f9JEFbx18915@enchanter.real-time.com><20011019095738.C6538@beaver.iucha.org><200110191617.f9JGHXb11647@sprite.real-time.com> <20011019183215.5b172c2c.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <003301c15911$6e81c900$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> I am using vncviewer to access my Linux box, but all I get is a bash screen and a background. I would like to see the normal gnome desktop. How can I do this? I know there is supposed to be a conf file I can edit, but I am not sure of specifics. Raymond Norton From jpschewe at mtu.net Fri Oct 19 20:00:58 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4.12 won't compile In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Brian writes: > On 18 Oct 2001, Jon Schewe wrote: > > > Figured it out. Seems that there's a bug in the 2.4.10 nfs server that > > created bad symlinks. Something like instead of linking to the file, it > > linked to the actual data, so ls would give me foo -> #include ... > > Really nasty. I put everything local, recompiled and rebooted and I'm all > > good now. > > This is why I use the Linus/Alan approved method of compiling kernels in > my home directory (no symlinking). The only thing you need to be root for > is to rebuild the boot sector and install the modules if applicable. It > also assures that the headers you're compiling against are the same across > all your apps, which in your case turned out to be a problem for you. > > I compile all my kernels this way and it makes a lot more sense than > dumping everything to /usr/local/src. I'm compiling it in a separate directory too, however the Makefile creates symlinks itself. The one I was getting into trouble with was the one it makes in linux/include from asm-i386 to asm. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From marc at ds6.net Fri Oct 19 20:24:02 2001 From: marc at ds6.net (Marc A. Ohmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm sure everyone will be glad to know... In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDFF2@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 11:51:38AM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDFF2@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011019192602.A26437@flanders.digsol.net> On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 11:51:38AM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > I think Konqueror is much better than Mozilla. SSL works great, Flash works > great, Java works great. Plus, you can disable window.open(), and modify changing "user_pref('dom.disable_open_during_load', true);" will disable window.open when called from in mozzila > 9.3 -- Marc A. Ohmann Digital Solutions, Inc http://ds6.net marc@ds6.net From ray at lctn.k12.mn.us Fri Oct 19 20:27:27 2001 From: ray at lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vncserver Message-ID: <004201c15916$24f875e0$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> I am using vncviewer to access my Linux box, but all I get is a bash screen and a background. I would like to see the normal gnome desktop. How can I do this? I know there is supposed to be a conf file I can edit, but I am not sure of specifics. Raymond Norton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011019/70f72719/attachment.html From thomas at stderr.net Fri Oct 19 20:55:05 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vncserver In-Reply-To: <004201c15916$24f875e0$a344a43f@xtratyme.com>; from ray@lctn.k12.mn.us on Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 08:20:18PM -0700 References: <004201c15916$24f875e0$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> Message-ID: <20011020030152.A57681@io.stderr.net> On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 08:20:18PM -0700, Raymond Norton wrote: > I am using vncviewer to access my Linux box, but all I get is a bash screen > and a background. I would like to see the normal gnome desktop. How can I do > this? I know there is supposed to be a conf file I can edit, but I am not > sure of specifics. The X server you're connecting to doesn't have a window manager, you can either start one from the term or modify some xvnc settings in .vncrc man vncserver is your friend for this :) -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From marc at ds6.net Fri Oct 19 21:26:04 2001 From: marc at ds6.net (Marc A. Ohmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Frequency of Kernel releases In-Reply-To: <20011019162810.EWKJ19017.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net>; from scott.w.fischer@att.net on Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 04:28:10PM +0000 References: <20011019162810.EWKJ19017.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <20011019203001.B26603@flanders.digsol.net> Both of the exploits listed today are 'local exploits' meaning someone has to have a shell account or shell access before the system is vulnerable. If you aren't running a multi-user system I don't see them as a problem. I was about to upgrade all of my public ip systems this weekend until I decided its just not necessary (for me anyhow). -- Marc A. Ohmann Digital Solutions, Inc http://ds6.net marc@ds6.net From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Oct 19 21:57:52 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Window managers for the "other" windows In-Reply-To: <200110191644.f9JGiEx13463@enchanter.real-time.com> Message-ID: Hey, On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Dave Sherman wrote: > Litestep (www.litestep.org, net, com) has a nice NextStep feel to it. > Haven't used it in quite a while, so I can't say as to its stability or > functionality. Back in the day, though, it was pretty good. I tried to install that about 6 months ago. It's setup program generated some kind of fatal exception while installing. Ended up having to reinstall Windows since it trashed it so badly. Might have been recoverable for someone who knows Windoze well enough, but I figure a warning is in order. -Yaron -- From jim at herrick.net Fri Oct 19 22:29:06 2001 From: jim at herrick.net (Jim Herrick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HACKED!!! - My Hacking Log Message-ID: <004801c15910$e55f4760$d129a541@host209> I normally take a look at ps -ef when I login to my "main" machine. It functions as a server of DNS, HTTP, IMAP and SENDMAIL connected to the Internet. When I did so tonight, I noticed a funny user id doing things... They were trying to run /bin/ping to WWW.YAHOO.COM and /bin/ftp to somewhere... I removed both of these ASAP. From ray at lctn.k12.mn.us Fri Oct 19 22:30:30 2001 From: ray at lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] errors when installing DBD Message-ID: <005b01c15929$27337720$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> I am trying to install DBD for mysql. Below is the error I get. How can I get past this? ]0;admin@localhost.localdomain: /home/Raymond/DBD-mysql-2.0902[root@localhost DBD-mysql-2.0902]# perl Makefile.PL Can't locate DBI/DBD.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.0/i386-linux /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.0 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0/i386-linux /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl .) at Makefile.PL line 5. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at Makefile.PL line 5. ]0;admin@localhost.localdomain: /home/Raymond/DBD-mysql-2.0902[root@localhost DBD-mysql-2.0902]# exit exit Thanks in advance Raymond -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011019/24cac080/attachment.htm From eng at pinenet.com Fri Oct 19 22:31:56 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Window managers for the "other" windows Message-ID: <01C158E8.089935C0.eng@pinenet.com> I don't know if you would call it a "window manager," but StarOffice 5.2 works much faster in Windows and needs to use the hard drive less than in Linux. Java worked better, too. StarOffice 5.2 has a start button, too. If a "window manager" is the graphical API, then I'd guess StarOffice might be considered a "window manager" over the root MSWindows "desktop." I haven't had time to peek at StarOffice 6.0 yet. But your information is very interesting. I'd like to hear how your effort goes. -----Original Message----- From: Brian [SMTP:lxy@cloudnet.com] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 11:25 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Window managers for the "other" windows Here at work, where I'm forced to use windoze, I've made a startling discovery. On Windows98 when you replace the shell=explorer.exe line with shell=command.com in the system.ini, you get that warm fuzzy xinit feeling on startup. Something else profound.. windoze is actually STABLE without Explorer. It's faster and crashed programs are reporting "I'm sorry, I just can't run anymore, would you please shut me down?" instead of "OH MY GOD!!! the world has ended! Active desktop, the MOST IMPORTANT tool in Windows, has CRASHED!!! Please restart NOW or face consequences unforeseen!". So, my question. Are there any window managers available for windoze to replace explorer? I'm currently running Powerdesk from Ontrack and it does a decent job, but a start menu would be kinda nice. I'm starting to get this funny illusion that windoze is *MY* opersting system now and I want to keep it that way. :-) -Brian _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From thomas at stderr.net Sat Oct 20 00:01:07 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] errors when installing DBD In-Reply-To: <005b01c15929$27337720$a344a43f@xtratyme.com>; from ray@lctn.k12.mn.us on Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 10:36:21PM -0700 References: <005b01c15929$27337720$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> Message-ID: <20011020062415.B57681@io.stderr.net> On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 10:36:21PM -0700, Raymond Norton wrote: > I am trying to install DBD for mysql. Below is the error I get. How can I get past this? > > > ]0;admin@localhost.localdomain: /home/Raymond/DBD-mysql-2.0902[root@localhost DBD-mysql-2.0902]# perl Makefile.PL > Can't locate DBI/DBD.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.0/i386-linux /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.0 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0/i386-linux /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl .) at Makefile.PL line 5. > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at Makefile.PL line 5. > ]0;admin@localhost.localdomain: /home/Raymond/DBD-mysql-2.0902[root@localhost DBD-mysql-2.0902]# exit Did you install the DBI module first? `perl -MCPAN -eshell` is your friend after you set it up.. CPAN> install DBI *installs latest DBI for you* CPAN> install DBD::mysql Just make sure that it doesn't start doing bad things (Like downloading perl-5.6.1 and wanting to install that). -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org Sat Oct 20 00:32:02 2001 From: josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vncserver In-Reply-To: <20011020030152.A57681@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: As I recall vncserver is just a perl script to (a) install a default setup if there isn't one and (b) a wrapper for the real binary in Xvnc. You should probably remove your stored vnc server defaults then look at the script to see where it puts it's xinitrc analog. It's not terribly difficult or anything - I always have to switch from the default twm to blackbox before I get anything useful done. Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 On Sat, 20 Oct 2001, Thomas Eibner wrote: > On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 08:20:18PM -0700, Raymond Norton wrote: > > I am using vncviewer to access my Linux box, but all I get is a bash screen > > and a background. I would like to see the normal gnome desktop. How can I do > > this? I know there is supposed to be a conf file I can edit, but I am not > > sure of specifics. > > The X server you're connecting to doesn't have a window manager, you can > either start one from the term or modify some xvnc settings in .vncrc > > man vncserver is your friend for this :) > > -- > Thomas Eibner DnsZone > mod_pointer > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org Sat Oct 20 00:33:26 2001 From: josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Window managers for the "other" windows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've used Litestep quite successfully at work. I just switched back to explorer but that was only so my co-workers could cope with my pc if they needed to use it while I was on vacation. The core litestep is really just a set of DLLs and an executable. I've found that the hardest part is finding a theme that you like and that works with you. I got the most milage out of the WindowMaker theme after a bunch of modification. I can put my config up for download if anyone is interested. Oh yeah, don't bother doing this on W9x/ME. They just don't play as nice with killing random processes as NT/2k is. When you are first trying litestep out you *will* spend time killing it and trying again. This is highly impractical on 9x since you effectively have to reboot each time. It's dirt easy on NT/2k. Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Yaron wrote: > Hey, > > On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Dave Sherman wrote: > > > Litestep (www.litestep.org, net, com) has a nice NextStep feel to it. > > Haven't used it in quite a while, so I can't say as to its stability or > > functionality. Back in the day, though, it was pretty good. > > I tried to install that about 6 months ago. It's setup program > generated some kind of fatal exception while installing. Ended up having > to reinstall Windows since it trashed it so badly. Might have been > recoverable for someone who knows Windoze well enough, but I figure a > warning is in order. > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org Sat Oct 20 00:34:56 2001 From: josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HACKED!!! - My Hacking Log In-Reply-To: <004801c15910$e55f4760$d129a541@host209> Message-ID: You might consider keeping a digest of your system. I have a daily job that runs to track any changes to new/changed files. Specifically this compares gid, uid, size, # of hard links, if it is a symlink where it points to, it's SHA1 digest. Now on my system I have it easy since OpenBSD provides mtree which makes all that easy. You may want to get mtree, code something simple up (this *is* a pretty trivial application) or get something else like say, tripwire. I always got the impression that tripwire was for other blokes with more time to configure and manage things so the mtree way works wonders for me. Oh yeah, and unless I'm mistaken somehow - I get lot's of extra noise when I compare modification dates. By sticking to the digest it makes the daily noise go down. Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Jim Herrick wrote: > I normally take a look at ps -ef when I login to my "main" machine. It > functions as a server of DNS, HTTP, IMAP and SENDMAIL connected to the > Internet. When I did so tonight, I noticed a funny user id doing things... > > They were trying to run /bin/ping to WWW.YAHOO.COM and /bin/ftp to > somewhere... I removed both of these ASAP. > > >From an SSH shell, before which I manually started sshd, I got: > > [jim@host210 jim]$ su > Password: > [root@host210 jim]# ps -ef > PID TTY STAT TIME COMMAND > 545 1 S 0:00 login -- root > 607 2 S 0:00 /sbin/mingetty tty2 HOME=/ TERM=linux BOOT_IMAGE=linux > AUTOBOOT=YES PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/ > 608 3 S 0:00 /sbin/mingetty tty3 HOME=/ TERM=linux BOOT_IMAGE=linux > AUTOBOOT=YES PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/ > 609 4 S 0:00 /sbin/mingetty tty4 HOME=/ TERM=linux BOOT_IMAGE=linux > AUTOBOOT=YES PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/ > 610 5 S 0:00 /sbin/mingetty tty5 HOME=/ TERM=linux BOOT_IMAGE=linux > AUTOBOOT=YES PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/ > 611 6 S 0:00 /sbin/mingetty tty6 HOME=/ TERM=linux BOOT_IMAGE=linux > AUTOBOOT=YES PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/ > > Wierd! When I ran the following command ( ps -aux ) the first time, I > noticed the commands referenced above (FTP and PING) even after rebooting > the machine twice. > > [root@host210 jim]# ps -aux > USER PID %CPU %MEM SIZE RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND > nobody 497 0.1 3.2 43724 8504 ? S 02:07 0:01 httpd -DSSL > nobody 498 0.0 2.7 42528 7000 ? S 02:07 0:00 httpd -DSSL > nobody 499 0.1 3.4 44192 8900 ? S 02:07 0:01 httpd -DSSL > nobody 500 0.2 3.2 43720 8500 ? S 02:07 0:03 httpd -DSSL > nobody 501 0.0 2.7 42528 7000 ? S 02:07 0:00 httpd -DSSL > nobody 502 0.0 3.2 43596 8332 ? S 02:07 0:01 httpd -DSSL > nobody 503 0.1 3.5 44528 9248 ? S 02:07 0:01 httpd -DSSL > nobody 504 0.0 2.7 42528 6996 ? S 02:07 0:00 httpd -DSSL > nobody 789 0.0 2.7 42528 6992 ? S 02:20 0:00 httpd -DSSL > root 1 0.2 0.1 1104 460 ? S 02:06 0:03 init [3] > root 3 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW 02:06 0:00 (kupdate) > root 4 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW 02:06 0:00 (kpiod) > root 6 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW< 02:06 0:00 (mdrecoveryd) > root 342 0.0 0.2 1304 600 ? S 02:06 0:00 crond > root 358 0.0 0.1 1120 480 ? S 02:06 0:00 inetd > root 374 0.0 0.5 2272 1480 ? S 02:07 0:00 named > root 435 0.6 2.6 42412 6788 ? S 02:07 0:07 httpd -DSSL > root 545 0.0 0.4 2196 1148 1 S 02:08 0:00 login -- root > root 607 0.0 0.1 1076 384 2 S 02:08 0:00 /sbin/mingetty > tty2 > root 608 0.0 0.1 1076 384 3 S 02:08 0:00 /sbin/mingetty > tty3 > root 609 0.0 0.1 1076 384 4 S 02:08 0:00 /sbin/mingetty > tty4 > root 610 0.0 0.1 1076 384 5 S 02:08 0:00 /sbin/mingetty > tty5 > root 611 0.0 0.1 1076 384 6 S 02:08 0:00 /sbin/mingetty > tty6 > [root@host210 jim]# > > --- > > I started looking at recently modified files (this is the key to tracking > this problem down, I believe) and noticed the following few files. > > --- > > [root@host210 /etc]# more mtab > /dev/hda8 / ext2 rw 0 0 > none /proc proc rw 0 0 > /dev/hda1 /boot ext2 rw 0 0 > /dev/hda6 /home ext2 rw 0 0 > /dev/hda5 /usr ext2 rw 0 0 > /dev/hda7 /var ext2 rw 0 0 > /dev/hdb1 /www ext2 rw 0 0 > none /dev/pts devpts rw,gid=5,mode=620 0 0 *** Is this line weird? > > [root@host210 /etc]# more ftpaccess > #class all real,guest,anonymous * > > email root@localhost > > loginfails 5 > > readme README* login > readme README* cwd=* > > message /welcome.msg login > message .message cwd=* > > compress yes real > tar yes real > chmod no guest,anonymous > delete no guest,anonymous > overwrite no guest,anonymous > rename no guest,anonymous > > log transfers real,anonymous inbound,outbound > > shutdown /etc/shutmsg > > passwd-check rfc822 warn > tar no guest,anonymous > compress no guest,anonymous > chmod yes real > delete yes real > overwrite yes real > rename yes real > > --- > > When I found the following: > > /usr/bin/sourcemask > > on the last line of my /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit I did a google search for it and > found two (non-english) references at google.com. Translated, from French, > the first is: > > http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.up.univ-mrs.f > r/wcri/d_serv/d_reseau/d_cert/certmsgSTAT013&prev=/search%3Fq%3D/usr/bin/sou > rcemask%26hl%3Den > > It's related to a known exploit in RedHat 6.1. Obviously, I'm reinstalling > this machine tonight (with RedHat 7.2 - beta, I guess) and installing > Bastille, PortSentry and Logcheck (I guess RedHat 7.2 has a logwatcher app > built-in) before I even connect it to the net!!! > > I basically backed up /etc and /home (including an "installs" directory) to > my Winders box. Hopefully this helps quite a bit. > > Could be a long night... > > Jim "BleedPurpleGuy" Herrick > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From houle at citilink.com Sat Oct 20 01:09:18 2001 From: houle at citilink.com (Terry Houle) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Problems with list ? Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011017205751.00b01c08@mail.citilink.com> Apologize but I seem to be having problems getting mail off this list and wondered if me or if any problems with the list. Terry Houle email: houle@citilink.com http:/www.citilink.com/~houle From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sat Oct 20 01:36:07 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: mailman.linux.org In-Reply-To: <20011019175913.J24491@real-time.com> References: <20011019130835.DTQD5495.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> <20011019172709.6d26e375.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20011019175913.J24491@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011020003549.K8251@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [011019 18:21]: > Just make sure the box is up, apache is up, there is enough disk space, etc. > Clay is the guy who does the html work. Admins never get the glory. :| -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From mhotujec at mediaone.net Sat Oct 20 04:13:01 2001 From: mhotujec at mediaone.net (Matt Hotujec) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CD ripper/MP3 encoder for Linux Message-ID: <3BD13791.D8EB1212@mediaone.net> I'm looking for a good setup to do CD ripping/MP3 encoding on my RedHat 7.1 machine. So far, I've read that cdparanoia is the ripper to use and LAME or BladeEnc are the encoders to use. I want a front-end or wrapper that can use these which streamlines the ripping/encoding process so I can just type a short command that will take care of everything for me so I can just walk away. I don't want the wav files left over when I am done. Anybody have any suggestions? Thanks. -- Matt From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Oct 20 05:16:35 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CD ripper/MP3 encoder for Linux In-Reply-To: <3BD13791.D8EB1212@mediaone.net> Message-ID: Hey, On Sat, 20 Oct 2001, Matt Hotujec wrote: > I want a front-end or wrapper that can use these which streamlines the Grip is excellent if you don't mindd a GUI tool. It'd be easy to do in textmode, except I don't know any command that'll do CDDB lookups... can cdparanoia do that yet? -Yaron -- From Ben at WorksCited.Net Sat Oct 20 10:14:02 2001 From: Ben at WorksCited.Net (Ben Stallings) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: VNCviewer In-Reply-To: <003301c15911$6e81c900$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> References: <20011019133219.EDEB5495.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> <20011019183215.5b172c2c.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <003301c15911$6e81c900$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> Message-ID: <01102009185701.00910@Romana> On Friday 19 October 2001 21:46, you wrote: > I am using vncviewer to access my Linux box, but all I get is a bash screen > and a background. I would like to see the normal gnome desktop. How can I > do this? I know there is supposed to be a conf file I can edit, but I am > not sure of specifics. You have to specify the right desktop in the connection dialog box... VNCviewer defaults to desktop 0, which on a Linux box is the console. X Windows is desktop 7, I believe. --Ben From clay at fandre.com Sat Oct 20 10:48:18 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Port Forwarding In-Reply-To: <20011019075028.G12370@wookimus.net> References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3941D62C8@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> <20011019075028.G12370@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20011020095326.C24922@fandre.com> Or just run bash -x ./rc.masquerade On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 07:05:09AM -0500, Miller, John wrote: > > > > > > I am assuming that it is. When I run the lrcfg script and view the > > connection, it reports the ip. It is running 2.2.x, I have not taken > > the time to figure out how to upgrade it yet. > > For bash scripts, if you place the command "set -x" at the top of the > file, you will see all the shell commands that are being executed and > can confirm whether or not the correct values are being passed to the > script. > > > > /sbin/ipmasqadm portfw -a -P tcp -L ${IPADDR} 8080 -R 192.168.0.4 80 > > > > > > when I run ./rc.masquerade I get > > > "portfw: illegal local.address/ port specified" > > Again, put "set -x" at the top of your script. The syntax of the > command looks correct, otherwise. > > See also: bash(1), ipmasqadm(1), "ipmasqadm portfw --help", the HOWTO's > I mentioned earlier. > > -- > Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie > http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr > Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD > From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Oct 20 15:17:15 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] idiotic article Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE01A@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Wanna read something really stupid? http://www.adequacy.org/?op=displaystory;sid=2001/9/30/83943/2736 The best part is that he didn't even install it! I posted a reply to it, just search for "signal15" on the page. Wow, what an idiot.... From dsherman at real-time.com Sat Oct 20 15:57:43 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] idiotic article In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE01A@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE01A@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <200110202013.f9KKDNx02215@enchanter.real-time.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 20 October 2001 14:34, Austad, Jay opined on the topic: [TCLUG] idiotic article > Wanna read something really stupid? > > http://www.adequacy.org/?op=displaystory;sid=2001/9/30/83943/2736 > > The best part is that he didn't even install it! I posted a reply to > it, just search for "signal15" on the page. > > Wow, what an idiot.... This was mentioned on the Mandrake list. Consensus seems to be that it was a joke, i.e., not meant to be taken seriously. I wonder how many of the reader posts are just trolls, in the same vein as the article itself? Dave -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE70dsXA68l26XsZUYRAihKAKCurg+HVSyi7eR4vYSF2vmnjFFF+gCgmOch UCN3JQ8lfNu5LC5hL0ogxLE= =Lras -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Oct 20 16:24:08 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] idiotic article In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE01A@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: Hey, On Sat, 20 Oct 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > Wanna read something really stupid? > http://www.adequacy.org/?op=displaystory;sid=2001/9/30/83943/2736 ... > Wow, what an idiot.... Um... Jay? It's a joke. I can't believe anyone doesn't think that article's a joke. For goodness' sake, the Topic Icon is a picture of Harold form The Red Green show. The really sad thing about this article is that it exposes the incredible dumbness and zealosness (zealosity?) of Linux users! How can you possibly not know this is a parody? I mean, (A) The site's powered by Scoop, There are links to Slashdot from the front page, and you buy the "We don't usually like alternate-OSes"? For crying out loud, atleast read the site's FAQ. -Yaron -- From jacque at fruitioninc.com Sat Oct 20 16:26:25 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] idiotic article In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE01A@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: > Wanna read something really stupid? > > http://www.adequacy.org/?op=displaystory;sid=2001/9/30/83943/2736 > > The best part is that he didn't even install it! I posted a reply to it, > just search for "signal15" on the page. > > Wow, what an idiot.... Heh...this reminded of the "Outside Scoop" by Jackie Harvey. ITEM! It seems Linux Torvalds has released Mandrake 8.1! Boy that Linux has been a busy beaver cooking up a new OS, I hear it doesn't run without a pentium. ~j From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Oct 20 16:28:39 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] idiotic article Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE01B@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> If it was meant to be a joke, it's unclear. The majority of windows users will believe everything in the article. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Sherman [mailto:dsherman@real-time.com] Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 3:14 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] idiotic article -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 20 October 2001 14:34, Austad, Jay opined on the topic: [TCLUG] idiotic article > Wanna read something really stupid? > > http://www.adequacy.org/?op=displaystory;sid=2001/9/30/83943/2736 > > The best part is that he didn't even install it! I posted a reply to > it, just search for "signal15" on the page. > > Wow, what an idiot.... This was mentioned on the Mandrake list. Consensus seems to be that it was a joke, i.e., not meant to be taken seriously. I wonder how many of the reader posts are just trolls, in the same vein as the article itself? Dave -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE70dsXA68l26XsZUYRAihKAKCurg+HVSyi7eR4vYSF2vmnjFFF+gCgmOch UCN3JQ8lfNu5LC5hL0ogxLE= =Lras -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Oct 20 16:32:43 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] idiotic article Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE01C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Actually, I don't think it was a joke. If you look at the guys comments and ratings, it's fairly obvious that he's pro-MS, in a big way. He's modded up several comments ripping on linux and preaching the word of MS. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Sherman [mailto:dsherman@real-time.com] Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 3:14 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] idiotic article -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 20 October 2001 14:34, Austad, Jay opined on the topic: [TCLUG] idiotic article > Wanna read something really stupid? > > http://www.adequacy.org/?op=displaystory;sid=2001/9/30/83943/2736 > > The best part is that he didn't even install it! I posted a reply to > it, just search for "signal15" on the page. > > Wow, what an idiot.... This was mentioned on the Mandrake list. Consensus seems to be that it was a joke, i.e., not meant to be taken seriously. I wonder how many of the reader posts are just trolls, in the same vein as the article itself? Dave -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE70dsXA68l26XsZUYRAihKAKCurg+HVSyi7eR4vYSF2vmnjFFF+gCgmOch UCN3JQ8lfNu5LC5hL0ogxLE= =Lras -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Oct 20 16:57:15 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] idiotic article Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE01D@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Pfft, another thing, go to adequacy.org and read their mission statement. Sad. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Sherman [mailto:dsherman@real-time.com] Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 3:14 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] idiotic article -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 20 October 2001 14:34, Austad, Jay opined on the topic: [TCLUG] idiotic article > Wanna read something really stupid? > > http://www.adequacy.org/?op=displaystory;sid=2001/9/30/83943/2736 > > The best part is that he didn't even install it! I posted a reply to > it, just search for "signal15" on the page. > > Wow, what an idiot.... This was mentioned on the Mandrake list. Consensus seems to be that it was a joke, i.e., not meant to be taken seriously. I wonder how many of the reader posts are just trolls, in the same vein as the article itself? Dave -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE70dsXA68l26XsZUYRAihKAKCurg+HVSyi7eR4vYSF2vmnjFFF+gCgmOch UCN3JQ8lfNu5LC5hL0ogxLE= =Lras -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Oct 20 16:59:58 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] idiotic article Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE01E@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Read the guys other comments and his ratings though, it seems a lot less like a joke after reading those. Bah, it doesn't matter anyway. :) -----Original Message----- From: Yaron [mailto:jethro@freakzilla.com] Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 3:30 PM To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' Subject: Re: [TCLUG] idiotic article Hey, On Sat, 20 Oct 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > Wanna read something really stupid? > http://www.adequacy.org/?op=displaystory;sid=2001/9/30/83943/2736 ... > Wow, what an idiot.... Um... Jay? It's a joke. I can't believe anyone doesn't think that article's a joke. For goodness' sake, the Topic Icon is a picture of Harold form The Red Green show. The really sad thing about this article is that it exposes the incredible dumbness and zealosness (zealosity?) of Linux users! How can you possibly not know this is a parody? I mean, (A) The site's powered by Scoop, There are links to Slashdot from the front page, and you buy the "We don't usually like alternate-OSes"? For crying out loud, atleast read the site's FAQ. -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From m_nassar at yahoo.com Sat Oct 20 17:03:27 2001 From: m_nassar at yahoo.com (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: VNCviewer In-Reply-To: <01102009185701.00910@Romana> Message-ID: <20011020170614.28188.qmail@web10101.mail.yahoo.com> sorry, but that is incorrect (for linux at least) the vncserver script starts another Xserver by running Xvnc, (kindof like Xnest) and the vncviewer connects to to that server, so if you already have X running at :0 then Xvnc would run at :1. and the vncviewer can only connect to :1. Your theory is correct on the MS side of things, since they only have one desktop(poor guys, how do they get stuff done?) the vncviewer takes control of that desktop. -munir --- Ben Stallings wrote: > On Friday 19 October 2001 21:46, you wrote: > > I am using vncviewer to access my Linux box, but > all I get is a bash screen > > and a background. I would like to see the normal > gnome desktop. How can I > > do this? I know there is supposed to be a conf > file I can edit, but I am > > not sure of specifics. > > You have to specify the right desktop in the > connection dialog box... > VNCviewer defaults to desktop 0, which on a Linux > box is the console. X > Windows is desktop 7, I believe. --Ben > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ===== -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GAT GIT dpu- s:- a19 C++ UL P+ L+(++) E--- W+ N+ w(--) K? O-- M- V- PS+ PE-(--) Y-- PGP-(---) t 5+++ X R tv-- b+++ D++ DI++ G e+ h+() r- y+ UF++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From tanner at real-time.com Sat Oct 20 17:26:06 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] idiotic article In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE01C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Sat, Oct 20, 2001 at 03:46:02PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE01C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011020163312.B5889@real-time.com> Quoting Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com): > Actually, I don't think it was a joke. If you look at the guys comments and > ratings, it's fairly obvious that he's pro-MS, in a big way. He's modded up > several comments ripping on linux and preaching the word of MS. I don't know. Some of the stuff seems a joke. 1st paragraph, Linux Torvalds? 1st paragraph, BSD based on Sun? The whole thing that it won't work on a 486, IE being an Internet standard? Some other stuff is valid, especially to non-techincal people: Other stuff, while true at face value is not really true. The whole zone alarm thing, anti-virus, MS office at face value are true. Yeah, got ip[tables|chains], but unless you look for it it's not a obvious "product" like zone alarm, it "built-in" with linux. Do a narrow viewed Windows person, no anti-virus software is shocking, but windows bigot can't see outside the box to think of an OS that is resistent to viruses. MS Office, old dog, FUD. Won't go there. Personally I think it's a very well written troll. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From thomas at stderr.net Sat Oct 20 17:30:43 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] idiotic article In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE01C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Sat, Oct 20, 2001 at 03:46:02PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE01C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011020233734.C57681@io.stderr.net> On Sat, Oct 20, 2001 at 03:46:02PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > Actually, I don't think it was a joke. If you look at the guys comments and > ratings, it's fairly obvious that he's pro-MS, in a big way. He's modded up > several comments ripping on linux and preaching the word of MS. Did you notice how this "em" guy makes himself look like a complete idiot with his comments on which clients can and cannot access their site. Even the fact that they had Netcraft make their statistics tool not look up www.adequacy.org is hilarious, they obviously have NO clue whatsoever. The threat of him contacting his lawyer about someone using telnet to access their webserver is also just out of this world. Ban all people that have no clue from getting a website or being on the Internet at all. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From thomas at stderr.net Sat Oct 20 17:33:29 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] idiotic article In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE01D@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Sat, Oct 20, 2001 at 03:55:36PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE01D@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011020233945.D57681@io.stderr.net> On Sat, Oct 20, 2001 at 03:55:36PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > Pfft, another thing, go to adequacy.org and read their mission statement. > Sad. Sheessh! -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From wilson at visi.com Sat Oct 20 17:35:56 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] list of Internet myths Message-ID: Hi everyone, I'm doing a 2-hr. staff development session on Mon. for about 30 of the staff in my school district. My title for the session is "The Internet from 30,000 ft." and it's my goal to improve my colleagues' skills by teaching them something about how the Internet works instead of merely telling them exactly where to point and click. I brought this up a long time ago and got some helpful suggestions. (Thanks in particular to Phil Mendelsohn and his Internet as computerized phone system analogy.) I think it woudl be fun to do some myth debunking in this session, so I'd like to get some additions to the list below if anyone can think of a good one to add. I'm going to make a PDF presentation (like the Zope talk I did for the TCLUG meeting) and I'll let everyone know where to download it if you think you or someone you know would benefit. Internet Myths (in no particular order) ============== * The Internet is so complicated that most people can't be expected to use it. * Al Gore invented it. (a cheap shot, I know, but good for a chuckle and does introduce the general topic of the origin of the Internet) * The government owns the Internet. * Internet = WWW * Email is private communication. * You can trust anything on the Internet. * You can't trust anything on the Internet. * You have to be smart to make a Web site. * WWW is copyright free. * Using your credit card online is inherently insecure (or at least more insecure than using your credit card for non-'net shopping). * It's OK to use your dog's name as your password. Anyone have anything to add to the list? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Oct 20 17:38:17 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] idiotic article In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE01A@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE01A@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011020164449.35f7bfec.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > The best part is that he didn't even install it! Call me back when he installs WinXP, Internet Explorer, MS Office, and everything else on his Gateway 486... -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ ...In 64-bit Color! / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From fish at slava.net Sat Oct 20 18:03:08 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] idiotic article References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE01A@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20011020164449.35f7bfec.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3BD1F703.6070607@slava.net> Umm, did anyone else look at the front page of adequacy.org? A pool for "who's your favorite terrorist? A little icon next to every article, including one that says "sex" with all too appropriate picture? And the mission statement pretty much confirms it... How could this NOT be a joke? That article was not obviously a joke... it's easy to imagine ignorant people writing something like that. But the rest of the site looks like a poorly done rip-off of the onion if you ask me... From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Oct 20 18:29:12 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] list of Internet myths In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey, On Sat, 20 Oct 2001, Timothy Wilson wrote: > * You have to be smart to make a Web site. Please please please help keep this myth alive? -Yaron -- From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Oct 20 19:01:38 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] idiotic article In-Reply-To: <3BD1F703.6070607@slava.net> Message-ID: Hi, On Sat, 20 Oct 2001, Lorry wrote: > But the rest of the site looks like a poorly done rip-off of the onion > if you ask me... http://www.thecitizenharold.com is a local poorly done ripoff of The Onion! (; (only mentioning it cause I never heard of the thing till I found a copy in the men's room at work 2 weeks ago). -Yaron -- From fish at slava.net Sat Oct 20 19:04:06 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] list of Internet myths References: Message-ID: <3BD204FB.4030003@slava.net> Too late. I've seen far too many sites that convince me it's already dead. Yaron wrote: > Hey, > >On Sat, 20 Oct 2001, Timothy Wilson wrote: > >>* You have to be smart to make a Web site. >> > >Please please please help keep this myth alive? > >-Yaron > >-- > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net Sat Oct 20 20:02:01 2001 From: markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hardware sale and free stuff. References: Message-ID: <011d01c159c6$a02ec1a0$1e02a8c0@zippy> I have an old P-66 that I use as a loaner to folks curious about Linux. (and Lots of demo-linux disks) Perhaps the group could bring the free machines up to a usable staus for linux learner machines! I am not to sure how the actual mechanics of running a hardware lending library would work but I don't see that as being a showstopper. The heavy lifting could be done during the next installfest. Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Kilbane" To: Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 11:34 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Hardware sale and free stuff. Hey guys I'm cleaning out my computer stuff again, I have some interesting stuff for sale and some older stuff that is free. #1 A 400 mhz celeron system ( capable of taking up to a 100 mhz bus PIII 800), 128 megs SDRAM (NEW!), 20gig hd (NEW!), AGP 8 meg with some 3D (Matrox I think), voodoo II 8 meg, ensonic(soundblaster) PCI sound card, 48x cdrom, Nifty transluecent blue case (New!), 17 inch IBM flat screen monitor, Ergodymanic Micrsoft keyboard (new), ergodynamic 4 button logitec mouse. Has win2k installed. I was using it as a jukebox for our game room here at the frat. asking 500 but willing to deal. #2 SGI indy, RISK MIPS 5000 processor at 150 Mhz. 2 gig hd. IRIX 6.5.12 latest release. 32 megs ram. Asking $125 but willing to deal #3 200 Mhz IBM system, 4 meg video memory, 32 megs or more RAM, 4 gig HD. 14 inch monitor, keyboard, mouse, network, sound, modem, etc... Asking 125 but willing to deal. #4 200 mhz acer system 32 megs memory, no HD at the moment I'll see what I can do, sound, sound, network, 14 inch monitor, $80 bucks or best offer. #5 old 486 laptop, no battery, boots FREE #6 Overdrived P133 24 megs memory needs new battery on motherboard for bios FREE #7 overdrived P120 SCSI, 24 megs memory I think FREE #8 P60 compaq with SCSI, I think it works FREE Colin Kilbane 612-623-9806 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From john at mn.mediaone.net Sat Oct 20 20:04:20 2001 From: john at mn.mediaone.net (johndmiller) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Port Forwarding In-Reply-To: <20011020095326.C24922@fandre.com> Message-ID: Now that I have the port forwarding working (i think) when I type 24.163.168.140 8080 I either get an error page or forwarded to some search engine. Any ideas on how to debug this. On Sat, 20 Oct 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > Or just run bash -x ./rc.masquerade > > On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 07:05:09AM -0500, Miller, John wrote: > > > > > > > > > I am assuming that it is. When I run the lrcfg script and view the > > > connection, it reports the ip. It is running 2.2.x, I have not taken > > > the time to figure out how to upgrade it yet. > > > > For bash scripts, if you place the command "set -x" at the top of the > > file, you will see all the shell commands that are being executed and > > can confirm whether or not the correct values are being passed to the > > script. > > > > > > /sbin/ipmasqadm portfw -a -P tcp -L ${IPADDR} 8080 -R 192.168.0.4 80 > > > > > > > > when I run ./rc.masquerade I get > > > > "portfw: illegal local.address/ port specified" > > > > Again, put "set -x" at the top of your script. The syntax of the > > command looks correct, otherwise. > > > > See also: bash(1), ipmasqadm(1), "ipmasqadm portfw --help", the HOWTO's > > I mentioned earlier. > > > > -- > > Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie > > http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr > > Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net Sat Oct 20 20:08:01 2001 From: markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:29:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Frequency of Kernel releases References: <20011019162810.EWKJ19017.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <012801c159c7$7e3ee6a0$1e02a8c0@zippy> On a practical note... I don't upgrade software unless I need the features described. And I view 1.0 of anything with great suspicion. Mark Browne How can you spot the pioneers in any endeavor? Yep, their the ones with the arrows sticking out of their backs! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 11:28 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Frequency of Kernel releases I don't know if I'm paying more attention now or what, but it seems that the frequency of kernel releases is increasing dramatically. And now with today's advice of upgrading to 2.4.12 to close the ptrace vulnerability, my aversion to installing bleeding edge software raises it's head. It seems to me that this frequency is causing (or at least has the potential to cause) more screw ups. See the lifetime of 2.4.11 for an obvious example and the immediate release of the dangling symlink patch to 2.4.12 as another apropos example. So how do I decide what to do? I want to keep my systems as secure as possible, but I also want to make sure I'm not causing greater usability issues by putting out something that's not ready for prime time. I see very little explanation or industry advice on the seriousness of vulnerabilities, only a recommendation to upgrade as soon as possible. So I ask myself, "What if I choose to NOT upgrade? What risk am I taking?" In the post-Sept 11 age, it seems that security analysts/advisors, software developers and even distribution maintainers (how many of you upgrade your kernels in some sort of automated fashion - apt-get, mandrakeUpdate, red-carpet, etc?) are playing on fear to get their stuff implemented. I'm getting frustrated that the activity driving the 2.4.x (STABLE) kernel doesn't feel like its under control as in the 2.2.x (STABLE) kernel. At this point I'm considering downgrading to 2.2.19 and applying patches, just so I can get control of what's happening on my systems again. -swf -- "Don't pray when it rains if you don't pray when the sunshines." - Satchel Paige _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ray at lctn.k12.mn.us Sat Oct 20 21:56:01 2001 From: ray at lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mysql problems Message-ID: <00ad01c159ee$afd142e0$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> I have installed a new version of mysql, and the perl DBI mod, but I am getting errors when trying to work with mysqladmin, and when trying to install DBD perl mod. I get "access denied for user root@localhost. (using password:NO). I have tried to set the password in the past, but I am either misunderstanding something, or have inadvertently changed it to something that I didn't mean to. Thanks for your help in advance Raymond -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011020/307ba3dc/attachment.htm From evisuale at mn.mediaone.net Sat Oct 20 23:14:00 2001 From: evisuale at mn.mediaone.net (Erick Stohr) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mysql problems References: <00ad01c159ee$afd142e0$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> Message-ID: <000901c15aab$deece8a0$66baa318@genx> check your DB and HOST tables. Erick ----- Original Message ----- From: Raymond Norton To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 12:10 AM Subject: [TCLUG] mysql problems I have installed a new version of mysql, and the perl DBI mod, but I am getting errors when trying to work with mysqladmin, and when trying to install DBD perl mod. I get "access denied for user root@localhost. (using password:NO). I have tried to set the password in the past, but I am either misunderstanding something, or have inadvertently changed it to something that I didn't mean to. Thanks for your help in advance Raymond -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011020/c5aa94ca/attachment.html From thomas at stderr.net Sat Oct 20 23:33:00 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mysql problems In-Reply-To: <000901c15aab$deece8a0$66baa318@genx>; from evisuale@mn.mediaone.net on Sun, Oct 21, 2001 at 10:44:36PM -0500 References: <00ad01c159ee$afd142e0$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> <000901c15aab$deece8a0$66baa318@genx> Message-ID: <20011021060304.E57681@io.stderr.net> On Sun, Oct 21, 2001 at 10:44:36PM -0500, Erick Stohr wrote: > check your DB and HOST tables. Without a password? Seems like he needs this: http://www.mysql.com/doc/R/e/Resetting_permissions.html "How to Reset a Forgotten Password" -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From Mike at getbent.net Sat Oct 20 23:43:00 2001 From: Mike at getbent.net (Mike Nielsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mysql problems In-Reply-To: <00ad01c159ee$afd142e0$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> References: <00ad01c159ee$afd142e0$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> Message-ID: <01102023110600.00747@Dingo> Usually when you get password:no You have a password for root@localhost and you called mysql withouth the -p option.... Another way to look at it is: You tried to access such and such database when you are root at localhost but you didn't specify me to prompt you for a password Try mysqladmin -p Enter your password and viola On Sunday 21 October 2001 00:10, you wrote: > I have installed a new version of mysql, and the perl DBI mod, but I am > getting errors when trying to work with mysqladmin, and when trying to > install DBD perl mod. I get "access denied for user root@localhost. (using > password:NO). I have tried to set the password in the past, but I am either > misunderstanding something, or have inadvertently changed it to something > that I didn't mean to. > > Thanks for your help in advance > > Raymond ---------------------------------------- Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"; name="Attachment: 1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: ---------------------------------------- -- ----------------------------- |\/|ike@GetBent.net From thomas at stderr.net Sat Oct 20 23:46:01 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mysql problems In-Reply-To: <20011021060304.E57681@io.stderr.net>; from thomas@stderr.net on Sun, Oct 21, 2001 at 06:03:04AM +0200 References: <00ad01c159ee$afd142e0$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> <000901c15aab$deece8a0$66baa318@genx> <20011021060304.E57681@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20011021061541.G57681@io.stderr.net> On Sun, Oct 21, 2001 at 06:03:04AM +0200, Thomas Eibner wrote: > On Sun, Oct 21, 2001 at 10:44:36PM -0500, Erick Stohr wrote: > > check your DB and HOST tables. > > Without a password? Seems like he needs this: (Or of course supply a password to mysqladmin with -p) -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sun Oct 21 00:20:02 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: list of Internet myths In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011020234942.L8251@ringworld.org> * Timothy Wilson [011020 17:08]: > * The Internet is so complicated that most people can't be expected to > use it. Well, yeah, thats why we have MSN. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sun Oct 21 00:22:33 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: list of Internet myths In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011020234942.L8251@ringworld.org> * Timothy Wilson [011020 17:08]: > * The Internet is so complicated that most people can't be expected to > use it. Well, yeah, thats why we have MSN. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From cgahlon at visi.com Sun Oct 21 00:32:01 2001 From: cgahlon at visi.com (Christopher Gahlon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: netcraft and adequacy.org (was:idiotic article) References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE01D@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20011020233945.D57681@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <3BD2573B.94F3B96F@citilink.com> If you use the IP address of www.adequacy.org instead of the domain name you get what your looking for.... ;-) foshay:~$ nslookup www.adequacy.org Server: 0.ns.orbis.net Address: 206.196.47.10 Name: www.adequacy.org Address: 63.89.124.239 foshay:~$ http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?mode_u=off&mode_w=on&site=63.89.124.239&submit=Examine I made a screen shot of the results just in case they decide to block the IP. If you need it let me know and I'll put it on my webserver when I get back to the cities on Sunday evening... Christopher Gahlon Thomas Eibner wrote: > On Sat, Oct 20, 2001 at 03:55:36PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > > Pfft, another thing, go to adequacy.org and read their mission statement. > > Sad. > > Sheessh! > > -- > Thomas Eibner DnsZone > mod_pointer > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Sun Oct 21 00:48:01 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Port Forwarding In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01102100183000.00848@geezer> On Saturday 20 October 2001 18:30, you wrote: > Now that I have the port forwarding working (i think) when I type > 24.163.168.140 8080 I either get an error page or forwarded to some search > engine. Any ideas on how to debug this. If you're putting this in your browser try 24.163.168.140:8080 (Note the colon : between the address and the port.) > -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From clay at fandre.com Sun Oct 21 05:25:01 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:00 2005 Subject: LUG Involvement (Was: Re: [TCLUG] Mailing list server: Flame emails??) In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE007@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE007@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011021045407.B30021@fandre.com> I will look into registering the LUG as non-profit. I looked into it a few months ago and did find the forms on the web, but they never found their way to my printer. On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > Actually, to get non-profit status, you just go into the building to the > left of the state capital, fill out a form, and submit it. There's no > charge for a non-profit. I think you just need the names of the people > involved. You can also download the form from the state website I think. > > I don't think it's that much trouble. Although, my taxes are complicated > enough as it is, so my name would stay far far away from that application. > :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marc A. Ohmann [mailto:marc@ds6.net] > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 8:28 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: LUG Involvement (Was: Re: [TCLUG] Mailing list server: > Flame emails??) > > > I would be in favor of something like think geek. We could have some > t-shirts, mugs, ... made with a tclug logo and make a slight profit off the > sales. At least its voluntary. The t-shirts would also help get the word > out about the group. With a couple of us wearing them around the U, I'm > sure we would start to see some new faces. > > Of course this system would take a lot of work by someone to organize and > file wit the gov. > > Marc > > On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 04:10:05PM -0500, Yaron wrote: > > Hello, > > > > On Sun, 14 Oct 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > I for one totally appreciate Real Time, and in perticular Bob's personal > > efforts on behalf of the LUG. But wouldn't it be nice if we all got > > involved? > > > > We can't ALL maintain the mailing list, or web server, etc. But how about > > chipping in and buying a new drive to replace the old one? We do have a > > LUG Treasuror (sp?). We can in theory make donations to the LUG that'll go > > toward new hardware the LUG can use, etc. > > > > I'm leaving this as a very, very vague and general proposal on purpose. > > I'm sure we all want the LUG to be non-profit and never require any > > membership fees or stuff like that, but I think it'd be nice to support > > the LUG. Does anyone think there's a practical way to do this? Can anyone > > think of other ways individual LUG members can help support the LUG beyond > > what we already have setup? > > > > -Yaron > > > > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > Marc A. Ohmann > Digital Solutions, Inc > http://ds6.net > marc@ds6.net > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Sun Oct 21 08:46:01 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mailman.linux.org In-Reply-To: <20011019172709.6d26e375.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> References: <20011019130835.DTQD5495.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> <20011019172709.6d26e375.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011021081534.A28685@fandre.com> Send me a page and I'll add it. On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Mike Hicks wrote: > scott.w.fischer@att.net wrote: > > > > What is the irc list and server? I couldn't find this information on > > the website anywhere. > > Clay or Bob or ...: > > I noticed this today as well, while I was writing up an e-mail > recommending the LUG to folks at work. Could a page be added to the > website? It'd be appreciated. > > I never really realized until today that the LUG is so broad these days. > Monthly meetings, beermeetings, installfests, mailing lists (with job > postings etc), IRC, classifieds, and that squishy feeling that you can > only get when involved in a LUG ;-) > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Puritanism: The haunting > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ fear that someone, > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) somewhere may be happy. > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From clay at fandre.com Sun Oct 21 08:51:00 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SFTP error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011021081947.B28685@fandre.com> groups.google.com is your friend. http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&threadm=3AAEABB1.9464F28D%40idcomm.com&rnum=2&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dsftp%2BReceived%2Bmessage%2Btoo%2Blong%26hl%3Den%26rnum%3D2%26selm%3D3AAEABB1.9464F28D%2540idcomm.com Let me know if any of those suggestions works. On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Brian wrote: > On Fri, 12 Oct 2001, Brian wrote: > > > I'm trying to get SFTP running on my server. I've got OpenSSH 2.9p1 > > installed. SSH works fine, but when I use any SFTP client I get the > > error "Received message too long 538981178" and SFTP exits. Any ideas on > > what's worng here? > > That's old news :-) > > I've since upgraded to OpenSSH 2.9.9, same error. > > -Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Sun Oct 21 12:49:00 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Queues flushed Message-ID: <20011021121842.A27460@real-time.com> After 5 days of hard work (the listserver, not mine), the queues are flushed and all MX held mail has been delivered. There should not be any time-warped emails from this point on. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From ray at lctn.k12.mn.us Sun Oct 21 17:55:03 2001 From: ray at lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need help with mysql setup Message-ID: <000601c15a96$04898480$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> I cannot seem to get mysql up and running. I have tried to follow the doc on resetting the root password, but I am brand new to mysql, and am either misunderstanding how to get things reset, or I do not have everything in place properly. What I really need is some help from an individual via email and Telnet that can work with me, so I can get things running properly. Thanks in advance Raymond Norton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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What else could be causing this and how can I stop it from happening? Has anyone else had a similar problem? Thanks! Lorry From tanner at real-time.com Sun Oct 21 21:47:01 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] killing everybuddy In-Reply-To: <3BD37EF9.8080507@slava.net>; from fish@slava.net on Sun, Oct 21, 2001 at 09:05:45PM -0500 References: <3BD37EF9.8080507@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011021211522.B25149@real-time.com> Quoting Lorry (fish@slava.net): > Sometimes when I try to run everybuddy, a little window pops up and says > it's already running and gives a pid. I don't know how it could be > running when I've just booted up the machine, but I've always been able > to kill the pid and start everybuddy after that. > Well, it's happened again, and the kill isn't working. I've done kill > pid and kill -9 pid and neither work. I still get the "already running" > message. When I ps, it doesn't show up in the list. What else could be > causing this and how can I stop it from happening? Has anyone else had > a similar problem? Thanks! Did you look in your home directory for some sort of lock file? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sun Oct 21 21:54:01 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] killing everybuddy In-Reply-To: <3BD37EF9.8080507@slava.net> References: <3BD37EF9.8080507@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011021212347.0c4398cf.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Lorry wrote: > > Well, it's happened again, and the kill isn't working. I've done kill > pid and kill -9 pid and neither work. I still get the "already running" > message. When I ps, it doesn't show up in the list. What else could be > causing this and how can I stop it from happening? Has anyone else had > a similar problem? Thanks! I've never seen this happen with everybuddy, though you can take a look at the ~/.everybuddy/.lock file. Its contents should be the PID of a running everybuddy (don't know why it'd get confused about that). If everybuddy isn't running, try just removing the file. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ This one goes to eleven. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011021/6d97cabd/attachment.pgp From thomas at stderr.net Sun Oct 21 21:57:01 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need help with mysql setup In-Reply-To: <000601c15a96$04898480$a344a43f@xtratyme.com>; from ray@lctn.k12.mn.us on Sun, Oct 21, 2001 at 06:01:20PM -0700 References: <000601c15a96$04898480$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> Message-ID: <20011022042615.N57681@io.stderr.net> On Sun, Oct 21, 2001 at 06:01:20PM -0700, Raymond Norton wrote: > I cannot seem to get mysql up and running. I have tried to follow the doc on resetting the root password, but I am brand new to mysql, and am either misunderstanding how to get things reset, or I do not have everything in place properly. What I really need is some help from an individual via email and Telnet that can work with me, so I can get things running properly. Tried on IRC? #tclug on irc.openprojects.net might be of help -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From fish at slava.net Sun Oct 21 21:59:57 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] killing everybuddy References: <3BD37EF9.8080507@slava.net> <20011021211522.B25149@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3BD3830E.3050101@slava.net> No, because I've never heard of a lock file. But I looked just now and found one, and it was just a file with that pid in it. I deleted it and now it runs. Yay! But can you tell me what a lock file is and why it did that? I'm curious now.... Lorry Bob Tanner wrote: >Did you look in your home directory for some sort of lock file? > From uak at nerp.net Sun Oct 21 22:06:01 2001 From: uak at nerp.net (Ursula A. Kallio) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cbos> In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I need to get here: cbos> How do I do that under RH7.1? Please advise. uak From matthew at redroot.org Sun Oct 21 22:18:01 2001 From: matthew at redroot.org (matthew@redroot.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cbos> In-Reply-To: Message-ID: UMMM... are you talking about you DSL router prompt? You would just need to telnet to the router. It usually is at 10.0.0.1 depending on which service you run. If your talking about something else... I am lost! mcd On Sun, 21 Oct 2001, Ursula A. Kallio wrote: > I need to get here: > > cbos> > > How do I do that under RH7.1? > > Please advise. > uak > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From ray at lctn.k12.mn.us Sun Oct 21 22:23:01 2001 From: ray at lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need help with mysql setup References: <000601c15a96$04898480$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> <20011022042615.N57681@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <001901c15abb$b0a3e600$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> What?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Eibner" To: Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] need help with mysql setup > On Sun, Oct 21, 2001 at 06:01:20PM -0700, Raymond Norton wrote: > > I cannot seem to get mysql up and running. I have tried to follow the doc on resetting the root password, but I am brand new to mysql, and am either misunderstanding how to get things reset, or I do not have everything in place properly. What I really need is some help from an individual via email and Telnet that can work with me, so I can get things running properly. > > Tried on IRC? #tclug on irc.openprojects.net might be of > help > > -- > Thomas Eibner DnsZone > mod_pointer > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jethro at freakzilla.com Sun Oct 21 22:28:00 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] killing everybuddy In-Reply-To: <3BD3830E.3050101@slava.net> Message-ID: Hey, On Sun, 21 Oct 2001, Lorry wrote: > But can you tell me what a lock file is and why it did that? I'm > curious now.... A lockfile will usually only contain the PID of the running process. They do this specifically to prevent two instances running at once. This is useful for programs that might have problems with, for example, two instances writing the configuration files, or in an instant messanger type thing, have you logged in twice. When the program shuts down it's supposed to remove the lockfile. Sometimes if it doens't shut down nicely the lockfile can still be there. There's lots of ways around that but I guess Everybuddy doesn't use 'em. -Yaron -- From uak at nerp.net Sun Oct 21 22:30:13 2001 From: uak at nerp.net (Ursula A. Kallio) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cbos> In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ah, yes, I am talking about my DSL router prompt. (Now I know what to call it.) Hmm, I am trying to install the Cisco 678 Code Red fix. (I thought I already did this under Windows - before I blew M$ away and installed RH7.1) Perhaps if one changes OSs, one has to refix things(?). I tried your suggestion and this occured: [uak@wool uak]$ telnet 10.0.0.1 Trying 10.0.0.1... Connected to 10.0.0.1. Escape character is '^]'. Connection closed by foreign host. Any other suggestions? TIA. uak On Sun, 21 Oct 2001 matthew@redroot.org wrote: > UMMM... are you talking about you DSL router prompt? You would just need > to telnet to the router. It usually is at 10.0.0.1 depending on which > service you run. If your talking about something else... I am lost! From fish at slava.net Sun Oct 21 22:40:02 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] killing everybuddy References: Message-ID: <3BD38D46.20707@slava.net> Thanks :) Yaron wrote: >A lockfile blah blah blah > From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Oct 21 22:42:15 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cbos> Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE01F@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> You need to use the serial cable and connect to it by running "minicom". Make sure you set up the modem device as /dev/ttyS0, even though you're not using a modem you still want minicom to communicate on that serial port. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Ursula A. Kallio [mailto:uak@nerp.net] Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 9:58 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] cbos> Ah, yes, I am talking about my DSL router prompt. (Now I know what to call it.) Hmm, I am trying to install the Cisco 678 Code Red fix. (I thought I already did this under Windows - before I blew M$ away and installed RH7.1) Perhaps if one changes OSs, one has to refix things(?). I tried your suggestion and this occured: [uak@wool uak]$ telnet 10.0.0.1 Trying 10.0.0.1... Connected to 10.0.0.1. Escape character is '^]'. Connection closed by foreign host. Any other suggestions? TIA. uak On Sun, 21 Oct 2001 matthew@redroot.org wrote: > UMMM... are you talking about you DSL router prompt? You would just need > to telnet to the router. It usually is at 10.0.0.1 depending on which > service you run. If your talking about something else... I am lost! _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dsherman at real-time.com Sun Oct 21 22:45:03 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cbos> In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200110220311.f9M3BAx29365@enchanter.real-time.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 21 October 2001 21:57, Ursula A. Kallio opined on the topic: Re: [TCLUG] cbos> > Ah, yes, I am talking about my DSL router prompt. (Now I know what to > call it.) Hmm, I am trying to install the Cisco 678 Code Red fix. (I > thought I already did this under Windows - before I blew M$ away and > installed RH7.1) Perhaps if one changes OSs, one has to refix > things(?). If you did the upgrade once, then you do not need to do it again. The upgrade only affected your Cisco 678 router's operating system, not the operating system of your PC. Dave -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE70456A68l26XsZUYRAomuAJ4shrSDJHsGgSKrJ9xOX03FEb4lMgCePjy/ pHdQILLmrMKmSdtZ2yamvAY= =vaKA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Mike at getbent.net Sun Oct 21 22:49:01 2001 From: Mike at getbent.net (Mike Nielsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IceCast? Message-ID: <01102122165601.00747@Dingo> Anyone ever play with this much? I -- ----------------------------- |\/|ike@GetBent.net From uak at nerp.net Sun Oct 21 22:53:00 2001 From: uak at nerp.net (Ursula A. Kallio) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] lockfile In-Reply-To: <3BD38D46.20707@slava.net> Message-ID: Lorry, An example based on a previous description: I used to delete the lock file in .netscape/ so that I could have two browswer windows open. I now open additional browser windows from within NS and not from the command line. (So, I did/do things a little backwards sometimes...) As a result of deleting that lock file, my bookmarks would get all screwed up and it seemed quite ramdom as to when and if they would get saved. I could not figure out why this was the case for a long time. Now that I leave the lock file alone to do its job and only have one instance of netscape running at one time, my bookmarks always show up properly. uak On Sun, 21 Oct 2001, Lorry wrote: > >A lockfile blah blah blah From jay at slushpupie.com Sun Oct 21 23:18:01 2001 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] list of Internet myths In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011022034702.RANY22743.femail16.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> I think one of the biggest myths of the internet is its one big server.. (ie- "The internet is down today") Maybe you want to explain how it is a vast decentralized network that was (belive it or not) *intended* to be somewhat unreliable. Jay On Saturday 20 October 2001 04:41 pm, you wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm doing a 2-hr. staff development session on Mon. for about 30 of the > staff in my school district. My title for the session is "The Internet from > 30,000 ft." and it's my goal to improve my colleagues' skills by teaching > them something about how the Internet works instead of merely telling them > exactly where to point and click. > > I brought this up a long time ago and got some helpful suggestions. (Thanks > in particular to Phil Mendelsohn and his Internet as computerized phone > system analogy.) I think it woudl be fun to do some myth debunking in this > session, so I'd like to get some additions to the list below if anyone can > think of a good one to add. > > I'm going to make a PDF presentation (like the Zope talk I did for the > TCLUG meeting) and I'll let everyone know where to download it if you think > you or someone you know would benefit. > > Internet Myths (in no particular order) > ============== > * The Internet is so complicated that most people can't be expected to > use it. > * Al Gore invented it. (a cheap shot, I know, but good for a chuckle and > does introduce the general topic of the origin of the Internet) > * The government owns the Internet. > * Internet = WWW > * Email is private communication. > * You can trust anything on the Internet. > * You can't trust anything on the Internet. > * You have to be smart to make a Web site. > * WWW is copyright free. > * Using your credit card online is inherently insecure (or at least more > insecure than using your credit card for non-'net shopping). > * It's OK to use your dog's name as your password. > > Anyone have anything to add to the list? > > -Tim -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- You now have Asian Flu. From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Oct 21 23:33:01 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] diskonkey Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE020@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Check this out: http://www.diskonkey.com It works with linux also, just load the usb-storage module. Now, consider this: Get a CF card reader, a CF card of any size (even the 1GB IBM CFDisk), rip apart the reader so all you have is the chipset and cf plug, shorten the cable so the plug is right up against the rest of it, plug the card into the slot, and encase the whole thing using that 2-part plastic stuff and a homemade mold. You'd get more storage for around the same price depending upon the size of the card you used. Jay From webmaster at aardvarko.com Mon Oct 22 00:26:01 2001 From: webmaster at aardvarko.com (aardvarko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CD ripper/MP3 encoder for Linux In-Reply-To: <3BD13791.D8EB1212@mediaone.net> Message-ID: > I want a front-end or wrapper that can use these which streamlines the > ripping/encoding process so I can just type a short command that will > take care of everything for me so I can just walk away. I don't want > the wav files left over when I am done. abcde. A godsend. http://freshmeat.net/projects/abcde/ "abcde is a frontend to cdparanoia, wget, cd-discid, id3, and your favorite Ogg/MP3 encoder (Oggenc is the default). It grabs an entire CD and converts each track to Ogg/MP3, then comments or ID3-tags each file, all with one command. It supports parallelization, SMP, HTTP proxies, customizable filename organization and munging, playlist generation, and remote distributed encoding via distmp3." Actual home page: http://lly.org/~rcw/abcde/page/ -- -aardvarko http://aardvarko.com webmaster at aardvarko dot com > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Matt Hotujec > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 3:37 > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] CD ripper/MP3 encoder for Linux > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From thomas at stderr.net Mon Oct 22 00:29:01 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] diskonkey In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE020@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Sun, Oct 21, 2001 at 11:02:25PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE020@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011022065733.F81763@io.stderr.net> On Sun, Oct 21, 2001 at 11:02:25PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > Check this out: > http://www.diskonkey.com > > It works with linux also, just load the usb-storage module. > > Now, consider this: > > Get a CF card reader, a CF card of any size (even the 1GB IBM CFDisk), rip > apart the reader so all you have is the chipset and cf plug, shorten the > cable so the plug is right up against the rest of it, plug the card into the > slot, and encase the whole thing using that 2-part plastic stuff and a > homemade mold. You'd get more storage for around the same price depending > upon the size of the card you used. Yeah, and Sandisk ImageMate readers work brilliant under Linux for $30. Perfect for this use. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From wilson at visi.com Mon Oct 22 00:32:01 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] list of Internet myths In-Reply-To: <20011022034702.RANY22743.femail16.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Oct 2001, Jay Kline wrote: > I think one of the biggest myths of the internet is its one big server.. > (ie- "The internet is down today") Maybe you want to explain how it is a vast > decentralized network that was (belive it or not) *intended* to be somewhat > unreliable. Sure, now you come up with a good one. I just finished my presentation not 10 minutes ago and uploaded it to my server at school. :-) I'll try to remember to mention your's at school tomorrow, Jay. If anyone's interested, I posted the PDF at http://www.isd197.org/curriculum/staffdev/internet_from_30000/ (Warning: It's 635 kB. I've noticed that ps2pdf creates a larger PDF file than distiller.) I don't know if it will seem entirely coherent without the accompanying discussion, but you may find it interesting. I'm planning to create a more in-depth online version of the talk with lots more links to other resources. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Oct 22 00:39:01 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] diskonkey Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE021@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> >Yeah, and Sandisk ImageMate readers work brilliant under Linux for $30. >Perfect for this use. I know, I have one. The problem with the ImageMate is getting it cut apart without breaking the guts of it. All other brands have cheap plastic shells that you can just take off, but the ImageMate is thick molded plastic stuff to make the unit heavy enough so bends in the cord don't make it sit funny like other brands do. Are there any other USB CF readers that work well with Linux? I don't really want to blindly chop the thing apart without knowing where stuff is and if it's secured to the plastic on the inside of the unit. I never thought I'd be bitching about the quality of the unit. :) Jay From kdeborah8 at qwest.net Mon Oct 22 07:05:02 2001 From: kdeborah8 at qwest.net (Joseph Key) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IceCast? References: <01102122165601.00747@Dingo> Message-ID: <005101c15aed$3ce9f880$0139a8c0@tomobiki.dyndns.org> I've been playing with it on a netbsd system. Joseph Key ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Nielsen" To: Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 10:16 PM Subject: [TCLUG] IceCast? > Anyone ever play with this much? > > I > -- > > > ----------------------------- > |\/|ike@GetBent.net > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com Mon Oct 22 08:50:10 2001 From: simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cbos> Message-ID: > > Ah, yes, I am talking about my DSL router prompt. (Now I know what > to > > call it.) Hmm, I am trying to install the Cisco 678 Code Red fix. > (I > > thought I already did this under Windows - before I blew M$ away and > > installed RH7.1) Perhaps if one changes OSs, one has to refix > > things(?). > > If you did the upgrade once, then you do not need to do it again. The > upgrade only affected your Cisco 678 router's operating system, not > the > operating system of your PC. > Or perhaps you mean the suedo fix? They gave instructions before on how to change some settings so that the code red wouldn't see it as an attackable host. This wasn't the permanent fix. Cisco has since come out w/ a new version that can be installed ( which is probably what your trying to do now ). sim From veldy at veldy.net Mon Oct 22 09:27:01 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cbos> References: Message-ID: <005f01c15b01$4f5f38e0$3028680a@tgt.com> cbos>en Password: [hit enter] (or enter your password if you have one) cbos#set web disabled cbos#set web port 31337 cbos#set web remote 127.0.0.1 cbos#write cbos#reboot You should be able to telnet to 10.0.0.1 if you are using NAT on your router. If you are using a routed connection (i.e. /30 netblock), then you need to telnet to you IP address assigned to the router. If you don't see a prompt right away -- press enter. Make sure you are using CBOS 2.4.3 and you should be pretty well protected. I found it easiest to upgrade by connecting my router directly to my W2K machine and running that dumb disk of theirs. It seems to be a java app, so you might hack it to work with Linux under X. Or, if you know how, upgrade the old fashion way. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simeon Johnston" To: Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 8:19 AM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] cbos> > > > Ah, yes, I am talking about my DSL router prompt. (Now I know what > > to > > > call it.) Hmm, I am trying to install the Cisco 678 Code Red fix. > > (I > > > thought I already did this under Windows - before I blew M$ away and > > > installed RH7.1) Perhaps if one changes OSs, one has to refix > > > things(?). > > > > If you did the upgrade once, then you do not need to do it again. The > > upgrade only affected your Cisco 678 router's operating system, not > > the > > operating system of your PC. > > > Or perhaps you mean the suedo fix? They gave instructions before on how > to change some settings so that the code red wouldn't see it as an > attackable host. This wasn't the permanent fix. Cisco has since come > out w/ a new version that can be installed ( which is probably what > your trying to do now ). > > sim > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Oct 22 09:56:02 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] lockfile In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011022142546.ADD204321@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> > I used to delete the lock file in .netscape/ so that I could have two > browswer windows open. I now open additional > browser windows from within NS and not from the command line. > (So, I did/do things a little backwards sometimes...) Use netscape-remote to open a new browser window from the command line. netscape -remote action Actions can be: openURL ( ) Prompts for a URL with a dialog box. openURL (URL) Opens the specified document without prompting. openURL (URL,new-window) Create a new window displaying the specified document. openFile ( ) Prompts for a file with a dialog box. mailto ( ) pops up the mail dialog with the To: field empty. mailto (a, b, c) Puts the addresses "a, b, c" in the default To: field. netscape -remote 'openURL(http://www.jimpick.com),new_window)' Full documentation is at (or at least used to be...): http://www.netscape.com/newsref/std/x-remote.html -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From tanner at real-time.com Mon Oct 22 10:20:01 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat 7.2 officially released Message-ID: <20011022094754.C27460@real-time.com> We have been given the ok to manually flip the access bits to Redhat 7.2, so it's up on ftp.mn-linux.org. Happy leeching! Remember, we give special access to tclug members, just need a static IP. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From clay at fandre.com Mon Oct 22 11:11:03 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat 7.2 available Message-ID: <20011022103822.A28455@fandre.com> Seems to have caused a little congestion. If you can't connect to ftp.mn-linux.org, try a mirror: http://mirrors.kernel.org/redhat/redhat/linux/7.2/ I've put up a new poll on the web. Give 7.2 a try and let us know what you think. Bob "da man" Tanner wrote: > We have been given the ok to manually flip the access bits to > Redhat 7.2, so it's up on ftp.mn-linux.org. > > Happy leeching! > > Remember, we give special access to tclug members, just need a static IP. From rudie at sihope.com Mon Oct 22 11:16:02 2001 From: rudie at sihope.com (K Hinze) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat 7.2 officially released In-Reply-To: <20011022094754.C27460@real-time.com> References: <20011022094754.C27460@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011022104216.5de61e15.rudie@sihope.com> On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 09:47:54 -0500 Bob Tanner wrote: > We have been given the ok to manually flip the access bits to Redhat 7.2, so > it's up on ftp.mn-linux.org. > > Happy leeching! > > Remember, we give special access to tclug members, just need a static IP. > How does this special access work? I have a static IP and would LOVE to hear more... -Kevin rudie@fastcomputers.tv Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota From npt at visi.com Mon Oct 22 11:20:27 2001 From: npt at visi.com (nick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat 7.2 officially released In-Reply-To: <20011022094754.C27460@real-time.com> Message-ID: bob, i'd love to get special access to 7.2... haven't been to a meeting in a long time, but i still read the list and have a static ip. do i qualify? nick ------------------------------------------ unix. nick thompson npt@visi.com ------------------------------------------ On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > We have been given the ok to manually flip the access bits to Redhat 7.2, so > it's up on ftp.mn-linux.org. > > Happy leeching! > > Remember, we give special access to tclug members, just need a static IP. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blayer at qwest.net Mon Oct 22 11:42:01 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] file corruption (?) ripping cds with grip In-Reply-To: <20011019174014.4d508eec.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> References: <20011018154031.A4579@gordo.space.umn.edu> <1003510197.10939.236.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20011019174014.4d508eec.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011022111125.72f114dc.blayer@qwest.net> On or about Fri, 19 Oct 2001 17:40:14 -0500 Mike Hicks reportedly said... > Brady Hegberg wrote: > > > > I'm just wondering if anyone else has seen this. When I rip files with > > grip (cdparanoia or cdda2wav) I end up with random length files...when I > > play the files the music just stops at that point. Sometimes with some > > clicks after that point. I've had this happen on more than one > > machine. Maybe I just need a newer better CD drive. Yes I have seen this here many times, it appears to be a bug in Grip itself. The only workaround I have discovered is to rip an entire CD into a clean directory. That seems to work all the time. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From blayer at qwest.net Mon Oct 22 11:58:00 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cbos> In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011022112745.733255e0.blayer@qwest.net> On or about Sun, 21 Oct 2001 21:57:56 -0500 (CDT) Ursula A. Kallio reportedly said... > I tried your suggestion and this occured: > > [uak@wool uak]$ telnet 10.0.0.1 > Trying 10.0.0.1... > Connected to 10.0.0.1. > Escape character is '^]'. > Connection closed by foreign host. > > Any other suggestions? TIA. > uak You have telnet disabled on the router. If you want in, you'll need to connect the serial management cable to the router and a COM port on the PC. Use Linux minicom to open a terminal session (38,400 8N1) on the connected COM port. A couple of CRs should get you a password: prompt from the cisco. Enter your exec password, or if you haven't set one, just hit another CR. If you need to know how to upgrade the cbos or where to get the images, I wrote a 'cbos-linux mini-HOWTO' which is in the list archives a couple of months back. It's easy.. hope this helps, -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From florin at iucha.net Mon Oct 22 12:10:02 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cbos> In-Reply-To: <20011022112745.733255e0.blayer@qwest.net>; from blayer@qwest.net on Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 11:27:45AM -0500 References: <20011022112745.733255e0.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20011022113836.A7397@beaver.iucha.org> On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 11:27:45AM -0500, Bill Layer wrote: > On or about Sun, 21 Oct 2001 21:57:56 -0500 (CDT) > Ursula A. Kallio reportedly said... > > > I tried your suggestion and this occured: > > > > [uak@wool uak]$ telnet 10.0.0.1 > > Trying 10.0.0.1... > > Connected to 10.0.0.1. > > Escape character is '^]'. > > Connection closed by foreign host. > > > > Any other suggestions? TIA. > > uak > > You have telnet disabled on the router. If you want in, you'll need to > connect the serial management cable to the router and a COM port on the > PC. Use Linux minicom to open a terminal session (38,400 8N1) on the ^^^^^^ > connected COM port. A couple of CRs should get you a password: prompt from > the cisco. Enter your exec password, or if you haven't set one, just hit > another CR. If it doesn't work, try different speeds: 9600 and 57600 are the most used. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011022/4d36b55c/attachment.pgp From uak at nerp.net Mon Oct 22 12:15:03 2001 From: uak at nerp.net (Ursula A. Kallio) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cbos> In-Reply-To: <20011022112745.733255e0.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > If you need to know how to upgrade the cbos or where to get the images, I > wrote a 'cbos-linux mini-HOWTO' which is in the list archives a couple of > months back. It's easy.. Thanks for the info. :) I discovered minicom and would love to read your HOWTO doc. I will RTFA. (It is easier for me to catch the logic behind something first and then fill in the blanks by doing.) :) And yes, fun beer mtg. uak From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Mon Oct 22 12:30:02 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cbos> In-Reply-To: <20011022113836.A7397@beaver.iucha.org>; from florin@iucha.net on Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 11:38:36AM -0500 References: <20011022112745.733255e0.blayer@qwest.net> <20011022113836.A7397@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20011022115922.A11278@trammell.dyndns.org> On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 11:38:36AM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 11:27:45AM -0500, Bill Layer wrote: > > On or about Sun, 21 Oct 2001 21:57:56 -0500 (CDT) > > Ursula A. Kallio reportedly said... > > > > > I tried your suggestion and this occured: > > > > > > [uak@wool uak]$ telnet 10.0.0.1 > > > Trying 10.0.0.1... > > > Connected to 10.0.0.1. > > > Escape character is '^]'. > > > Connection closed by foreign host. > > > > > > Any other suggestions? TIA. > > > uak > > > > You have telnet disabled on the router. If you want in, you'll need to > > connect the serial management cable to the router and a COM port on the > > PC. Use Linux minicom to open a terminal session (38,400 8N1) on the > ^^^^^^ > > connected COM port. A couple of CRs should get you a password: prompt from > > the cisco. Enter your exec password, or if you haven't set one, just hit > > another CR. > > If it doesn't work, try different speeds: 9600 and 57600 are the most used. I'm glad someone brought this up -- I was playing with my 678 over the weekend, and had problems at 38400. Google tells me that some ISP's say use 38400, some 9600, some other things. Google did not tell me why this is. Anybody here have insight into this? -- johntrammell@yahoo.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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According to a post I saw, you can set up conditional commands in your .bashrc to work around this. If it's in non-interactive mode (SFTP) you can bypass it. Any idea how I would do this? I skimmed the man page on bash and didn't ee it in there anywhere. -Brian From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Oct 22 12:42:04 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cbos> Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE025@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > I'm glad someone brought this up -- I was playing with my 678 > over the weekend, and had problems at 38400. Google tells me > that some ISP's say use 38400, some 9600, some other things. > Google did not tell me why this is. Anybody here have > insight into this? You can set the speed in the boot manager thingy on it by sending a break when it first turns on. Typically, if ISP's upgrade the units before sending them to customers, they will do it through the serial cable and setting the speed up to 38400 dramatically reduces the time it takes to load the latest software. Newer versions of the CBOS support TFTP, but older ones did not and a serial transfer was required. Jay From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Oct 22 12:47:30 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cbos> In-Reply-To: <20011022115922.A11278@trammell.dyndns.org> Message-ID: > I'm glad someone brought this up -- I was playing with my 678 over > the weekend, and had problems at 38400. Google tells me that some > ISP's say use 38400, some 9600, some other things. Google did not > tell me why this is. Anybody here have insight into this? I want an answer to this also. All Cisco docs for my REAL Cisco tell me to use 38400, but it's never worked. 9600 *ALWAYS* works. What gives? It seems like the standard for equipment is 9600-8-N-1 and it's almost guaranteed to work, yet some hardware says to use 38400. -Brian From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Oct 22 12:55:21 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] anyone handy with Javascript? Message-ID: I got a REALLY weird e-mail yesterday. It's either spam or an outlook virus, I'm not sure. it has the characteristics of spam but is completely (poorly) written in obfuscated javascript code. The only javascript virii I can find reference to all have to do with LookOut exploits, since javascript is more annoying than harmful. Anybody here proficient in javascript that would be willing to lend a hand? -Brian From blayer at qwest.net Mon Oct 22 13:07:03 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] get your war on Message-ID: <20011022123157.46bd6536.blayer@qwest.net> Oh yeah! Operation: Enduring Freedom is in the house! (mildly offensive) http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/war.html -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From mpaulsen at charter.net Mon Oct 22 13:19:36 2001 From: mpaulsen at charter.net (Mike Paulsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] anyone handy with Javascript? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20011022123609.0278ac50@pop.charter.net> Spammers commonly use obfuscated javascript in an attempt to hide the location of their website. The first thing I'd do is a groups.google.com search to see if a copy is already archived in news.admin.net-abuse.sightings. If not, send me a copy and I'll take a look. (please copy and paste a complete copy, including full headers, rather than forwarding.) Mike. At 12:20 PM 10/22/01, you wrote: >I got a REALLY weird e-mail yesterday. It's either spam or an outlook >virus, I'm not sure. it has the characteristics of spam but is completely >(poorly) written in obfuscated javascript code. The only javascript virii >I can find reference to all have to do with LookOut exploits, since >javascript is more annoying than harmful. > >Anybody here proficient in javascript that would be willing to lend a >hand? > >-Brian > > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Oct 22 14:02:10 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] get your war on Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE02B@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Awww yeah! Has this guy been listening to my phonecalls at work and putting them into comics or what? Time for nice healthy glass of Vitamin Jim Beam! > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Layer [mailto:blayer@qwest.net] > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 12:32 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] get your war on > > > Oh yeah! Operation: Enduring Freedom is in the house! > > (mildly offensive) > http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/war.html -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Mon Oct 22 14:34:01 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat 7.2 officially released In-Reply-To: <20011022104216.5de61e15.rudie@sihope.com>; from rudie@sihope.com on Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 10:42:16AM -0500 References: <20011022094754.C27460@real-time.com> <20011022104216.5de61e15.rudie@sihope.com> Message-ID: <20011022140225.O27460@real-time.com> Quoting K Hinze (rudie@sihope.com): > How does this special access work? > I have a static IP and would LOVE to hear more... There is a limit of 50 anonymous users total on the server. The tclug class is 50 users itself. Everyone else get 50k/s, tclug class get 100k/s. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Mon Oct 22 16:09:16 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cbos> In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE025@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 12:09:48PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE025@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011022153041.A13493@trammell.dyndns.org> On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 12:09:48PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > > I'm glad someone brought this up -- I was playing with my 678 > > over the weekend, and had problems at 38400. Google tells me > > that some ISP's say use 38400, some 9600, some other things. > > Google did not tell me why this is. Anybody here have > > insight into this? > > You can set the speed in the boot manager thingy on it by sending a > break when it first turns on. Wow, that's a new one on me. Where did you find that out, and are there any more arcane invocations like that to learn? -- johntrammell@yahoo.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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A lot of people on google mentioned setting up a SSH Tunnel but it seems to me like most users will not bother/want to bother with this. i guess what i am asking for is "simapd" just like we have "sftp-server" and "sshd" is there such a beast? if not can we have ssh listen to port 143 and encrypt the connection? -munir From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Oct 22 16:31:01 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Securing Passwords with IMAP/POP In-Reply-To: ; from nassarmu@jerusalem.redconcepts.net on Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 03:50:51PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20011022155813.B8687@chuck.sistina.com> On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 03:50:51PM -0500, Munir Nassar wrote: >Is there a way to encrypt the authentication to an IMAP server? A lot of >people on google mentioned setting up a SSH Tunnel but it seems to me >like most users will not bother/want to bother with this. I think you could use stunnel. Not sure exactly how off the top of my head. > >i guess what i am asking for is "simapd" just like we have "sftp-server" >and "sshd" is there such a beast? if not can we have ssh listen to port >143 and encrypt the connection? > > -munir > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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IMAP 2000 supports it, or if you wanna use Maildir you can use courier-imap. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Oct 22 16:45:23 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Securing Passwords with IMAP/POP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey, On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Munir Nassar wrote: > i guess what i am asking for is "simapd" just like we have "sftp-server" S/IMAP (or is it IMAP/S?) is built-in in UofWashington's IMAP2000. Easy to setup and install too. -Yaron -- From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Oct 22 16:50:54 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GNU packages for solaris Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE030@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Does anyone know off the top of their head where I can grab all of the GNU development tools (like gcc) for Solaris 8 (sparc), preferably in package format? Jay From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Oct 22 17:01:56 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Securing Passwords with IMAP/POP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011022161054.580cfb9c.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Munir Nassar wrote: > > Is there a way to encrypt the authentication to an IMAP server? A lot of > people on google mentioned setting up a SSH Tunnel but it seems to me > like most users will not bother/want to bother with this. > > i guess what i am asking for is "simapd" just like we have "sftp-server" > and "sshd" is there such a beast? if not can we have ssh listen to port > 143 and encrypt the connection? You're probably looking for something that can do imaps (port 993) or pop3s (port 995), IMAP/POP over SSL. stunnel is one way to do it, or get an ssl-enabled server. The central mail servers at the U use stunnel.. http://www.stunnel.org/ -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ He's dim, Jed / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Have you tried http://www.sunfreeware.com ? -- Michael From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Oct 22 17:22:26 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GNU packages for solaris In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE030@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE030@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011022163552.7146aae3.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > Does anyone know off the top of their head where I can grab all of the > GNU development tools (like gcc) for Solaris 8 (sparc), preferably in > package format? sunfreeware.com It's usually kind of slow, so you may prefer to go to a mirror like http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/solaris/freeware/ Solaris 8 Sparc stuff is at http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/solaris/freeware/sparc/8 -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Microsoft gives you / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Windows. 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Easy to > setup and install too. > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From churchill_dan at htc.honeywell.com Mon Oct 22 17:34:33 2001 From: churchill_dan at htc.honeywell.com (Churchill, Dan (MN65)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GNU packages for solaris Message-ID: Give www.sunfreeware.com a try. They have most anything you could want... > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Austad, Jay > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 4:07 PM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: [TCLUG] GNU packages for solaris > > > Does anyone know off the top of their head where I can grab > all of the GNU > development tools (like gcc) for Solaris 8 (sparc), > preferably in package > format? > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From john at mn.mediaone.net Mon Oct 22 18:42:56 2001 From: john at mn.mediaone.net (johndmiller) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] port forwarding Message-ID: Hi, it's me again I tried a tcpdump on my web serving machine, 192.168.0.4 which is to be forwarded to by coyote at 24.163.168.140. I am using port forwarding from 8080 to 80 but, nothing seems to get to the server. I would like to do something similar, if not the same on the coyote maching. How do I get tcpdump over to the coyote maching. I have moved the program but the segmentation faults every time I run it. I did the same thing with another program with the same results. Help, please John Miller From tanner at real-time.com Mon Oct 22 19:23:42 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] zipfiles with perms wacked? Message-ID: <20011022182810.E25210@real-time.com> Anyone know of a way to fix zipfiles where the idiot must have zipped up the file on a windows box and all the permissions are 000 on all the files? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Mon Oct 22 20:41:29 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] zipfiles with perms wacked? In-Reply-To: <20011022182810.E25210@real-time.com> Message-ID: FAT32 doesnt contain permissions like linux and i doubt that .zip files would maintain linux permissions... best bet would be to write a small script that creates a tmp directory, unzips the files in it, chmods the files to 600 and then rezips them using a saner compression method like gzipped tars -munir On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Anyone know of a way to fix zipfiles where the idiot must have zipped up the > file on a windows box and all the permissions are 000 on all the files? > > From AIRPLANEIT at aol.com Mon Oct 22 20:55:02 2001 From: AIRPLANEIT at aol.com (AIRPLANEIT@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ladies and Gentlemen... Message-ID: I am pleased to announce that this is my first e-mail sent through the Linux operating system (Redhat 7). After a week of "small problems" and a lot of perseverence (sp?), I am now able to connect with my cable modem and Netscape (web based e-mail). The challenges I overcame (probably seem miniscule to many of you) were: Manually partitioning the Linux Drive. An out of sync monitor. configuring the monitor settings to anything other than 8 bit color and 640x480. Finding out how to setup my network card. Looking back, I don't see why it seemed so hard. Ahh well...I'm sure I'm going to hit a few more roadblocks before feeling comfortable with wiping my system clean of Win98 (my eventual goal). My next challenge is getting Windows to boot through LILO, and (probably at the same time) getting Linux to mount my Windows harddrive. Wish me luck! -Nick "Where can I buy a stuffed penguin" Stolley From jack at jacku.com Mon Oct 22 21:08:00 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cbos> In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01102220372200.00848@geezer> On Monday 22 October 2001 12:11, you wrote: > > I'm glad someone brought this up -- I was playing with my 678 over > > the weekend, and had problems at 38400. Google tells me that some > > ISP's say use 38400, some 9600, some other things. Google did not > > tell me why this is. Anybody here have insight into this? > > I want an answer to this also. All Cisco docs for my REAL Cisco tell me > to use 38400, but it's never worked. 9600 *ALWAYS* works. What > gives? It seems like the standard for equipment is 9600-8-N-1 and it's > almost guaranteed to work, yet some hardware says to use 38400. > > -Brian > Disclaimer: The following is based on some very "vintage" memories and may be nothing more than pure hogwash at this time. You have been warned. ;-) Something in the deep dark recesses of my brain said, when I read these posts, "9600 is the true hardware maximum, everything else is just compression algorithims." -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From florin at iucha.net Mon Oct 22 21:11:10 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ladies and Gentlemen... In-Reply-To: ; from AIRPLANEIT@aol.com on Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 09:24:30PM -0400 References: Message-ID: <20011022204037.A4377@beaver.iucha.org> On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 09:24:30PM -0400, AIRPLANEIT@aol.com wrote: > I am pleased to announce that this is my first e-mail sent through the Linux operating system (Redhat 7). After a week of "small problems" and a lot of perseverence (sp?), I am now able to connect with my cable modem and Netscape (web based e-mail). We are pleased to hear that! Welcome! > The challenges I overcame (probably seem miniscule to many of you) were: Indeed. We were born with osciloscopes in hands... > Manually partitioning the Linux Drive. > An out of sync monitor. > configuring the monitor settings to anything other than 8 bit color and 640x480. > Finding out how to setup my network card. > > Looking back, I don't see why it seemed so hard. Ahh well... Isn't that the most important reason to love it? > I'm sure I'm going to hit a few more roadblocks before feeling comfortable with wiping my system clean of Win98 (my eventual goal). > > My next challenge is getting Windows to boot through LILO, and (probably at the same time) getting Linux to mount my Windows harddrive. Wish me luck! Don't bother :) If you cannot follow the previous advice: 1. add the following two lines to /etc/lilo.conf other=/dev/ label=winblows 2. add the following line to /etc/fstab /dev/ /mnt/ vfat defaults 0 0 repeat as necessary florin PS. I hope I have not spoiled your fun :) -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011022/0a8a2414/attachment.pgp From jack at jacku.com Mon Oct 22 21:13:26 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IceCast? In-Reply-To: <01102122165601.00747@Dingo> References: <01102122165601.00747@Dingo> Message-ID: <01102220392901.00848@geezer> On Sunday 21 October 2001 22:16, you wrote: > Anyone ever play with this much? > Not much. But I did get a server running during the summer in a lab environment we setup. Wasn't to hard. Of course we didn't do anything with it. We just wanted to say we could if somebody asked. ;-) -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From florin at iucha.net Mon Oct 22 22:03:01 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cbos> In-Reply-To: <01102220372200.00848@geezer>; from jack@jacku.com on Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 08:37:22PM -0500 References: <01102220372200.00848@geezer> Message-ID: <20011022213212.A24678@beaver.iucha.org> On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 08:37:22PM -0500, Jack Ungerleider wrote: > On Monday 22 October 2001 12:11, you wrote: > > > I'm glad someone brought this up -- I was playing with my 678 over > > > the weekend, and had problems at 38400. Google tells me that some > > > ISP's say use 38400, some 9600, some other things. Google did not > > > tell me why this is. Anybody here have insight into this? > > > > I want an answer to this also. All Cisco docs for my REAL Cisco tell me > > to use 38400, but it's never worked. 9600 *ALWAYS* works. What > > gives? It seems like the standard for equipment is 9600-8-N-1 and it's > > almost guaranteed to work, yet some hardware says to use 38400. > > > > -Brian > > > Disclaimer: The following is based on some very "vintage" memories and may be > nothing more than pure hogwash at this time. You have been warned. ;-) > > Something in the deep dark recesses of my brain said, when I read these > posts, "9600 is the true hardware maximum, everything else is just > compression algorithims." No way man! And I thought real men communicate at 300 bps... Leaving the jokes aside, RS-242 serial ports with UART 16x50 can go up to 115Kb/s hardware. There is another higher speed interface RS-4xy that can go much faster. If you are speaking about modems then there are other things involved. First there is the baud speed that is limited to 2400 on POTS (plain old telephone system). Then on each baud more bits are transmited. On top of that you can add another layer: control/correction and compression. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011022/7ad5e049/attachment.pgp From fish at slava.net Mon Oct 22 23:47:01 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ladies and Gentlemen... References: Message-ID: <3BD4EE77.3050208@slava.net> AIRPLANEIT@aol.com wrote: >I am pleased to announce that this is my first e-mail sent through the Linux operating system (Redhat 7). > Welcome! >The challenges I overcame (probably seem miniscule to many of you) were: > I didn't install it myself, so you are ahead of me! >-Nick "Where can I buy a stuffed penguin" > http://www.thinkgeek.com probably has some ;) Lorry From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Tue Oct 23 00:08:01 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cbos> In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 12:11:58PM -0500 References: <20011022115922.A11278@trammell.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20011022233646.A18121@trammell.dyndns.org> On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 12:11:58PM -0500, Brian wrote: > > > I'm glad someone brought this up -- I was playing with my 678 over > > the weekend, and had problems at 38400. Google tells me that some > > ISP's say use 38400, some 9600, some other things. Google did not > > tell me why this is. Anybody here have insight into this? > > I want an answer to this also. All Cisco docs for my REAL Cisco tell me > to use 38400, but it's never worked. 9600 *ALWAYS* works. What > gives? It seems like the standard for equipment is 9600-8-N-1 and it's > almost guaranteed to work, yet some hardware says to use 38400. > A little poking around Google (comp.dcom.xdsl is my new fave NG) yields: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=speed+serial+9600&hl=en&meta=group%3Dcomp.dcom.xdsl Uh-oh. ayaz:~# setserial /dev/ttyS0 /dev/ttyS0, UART: 16450, Port: 0x03f8, IRQ: 4 ayaz:~# Not to mention: http://www.linuxdoc.org/LDP/nag/node57.html So my problem is not the 678, but the guy driving it. Which makes me think it's time to ditch my faithful 25 MHz 486SX firewall. :-( Or maybe I'll just go to MPC and see if I can scare up an ISA serial port card. :-) -- johntrammell@yahoo.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 240 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011023/63bbebaf/attachment.pgp From tanner at real-time.com Tue Oct 23 01:08:01 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux-kernel archives? Message-ID: <20011023003715.G14717@real-time.com> I lost a couple of weeks of the linux kernel archive. Anyone have the stuff in mbox/maildir format so I can re-inject it into the archives? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Tue Oct 23 08:15:01 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ladies and Gentlemen... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: | |-Nick "Where can I buy a stuffed penguin" Stolley www.linuxmall.com has them. But, for some reason the links at the top of the first page aren't working, you can click on the Tux stuffed penguin logos, but if you want their cool t-shirts, etc., you will have to use the search function. From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Oct 23 08:19:01 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: MS goes against anti-piracy proposal! Message-ID: <20011023074820.41595954.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Wow, this one must be pretty nasty to get Microsoft to go against it: http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-7617315.html?tag=mn_hd -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Stick: A boomerang that / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ doesn't work. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011023/9b242e89/attachment.pgp From jack at jacku.com Tue Oct 23 08:44:01 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (jack@jacku.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ladies and Gentlemen... Message-ID: <20011023131350.12064.cpmta@c017.sfo.cp.net> On Tue, 23 October 2001, "James Spinti" wrote: > > | > |-Nick "Where can I buy a stuffed penguin" Stolley > > www.linuxmall.com has them. > Micro Center has the same ones. (Though not always in stock.) They keep them back with the Linux Software. Jack From hutchib at cscoe.accenture.com Tue Oct 23 09:03:01 2001 From: hutchib at cscoe.accenture.com (Brandon Hutchinson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ladies and Gentlemen... In-Reply-To: <20011023131350.12064.cpmta@c017.sfo.cp.net> References: <20011023131350.12064.cpmta@c017.sfo.cp.net> Message-ID: <01102308323908.19760@hutch.cscoe.accenture.com> On Tuesday 23 October 2001 08:13 am, you wrote: > On Tue, 23 October 2001, "James Spinti" wrote: > > |-Nick "Where can I buy a stuffed penguin" Stolley > > > > www.linuxmall.com has them. > Better yet, sign up for your Linux credit card at http://www.linuxfund.org A small contribution goes to fund open source for signing up. And they'll send you a free stuffed penguin :D Brandon Hutchinson From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Tue Oct 23 09:45:01 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ladies and Gentlemen... In-Reply-To: <20011023131350.12064.cpmta@c017.sfo.cp.net> Message-ID: Has anybody seen the Penguin Computing T-shirts recently? They are not available at linuxmall.com anymore (only the poster and mousepad are listed) and penguincomputing.com no longer references them on their site :( just when I had enough spare cash to buy one, too... Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of jack@jacku.com |Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 8:14 AM |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org |Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Ladies and Gentlemen... | | |On Tue, 23 October 2001, "James Spinti" wrote: | |> |> | |> |-Nick "Where can I buy a stuffed penguin" Stolley |> |> www.linuxmall.com has them. |> | |Micro Center has the same ones. (Though not always in stock.) They |keep them back with the Linux Software. | |Jack |_______________________________________________ |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, |Minnesota |http://www.mn-linux.org |tclug-list@mn-linux.org |https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list | From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Oct 23 09:55:02 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCSI errors Message-ID: Hey all, Lately my trusty old Plextor CD burner has started failing on a semi-regular basis. I get SCSI errors that look like this: g1: scsi sendcmd: no error CDB: 2A 00 00 04 A3 EE 00 00 1F 00 status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION) Sense Bytes: F0 00 03 00 04 A4 A0 0A 00 00 00 00 0C 07 00 00 Sense Key: 0x3 Medium Error, Segment 0 Sense Code: 0x0C Qual 0x07 (write error - recovery needed) Fru 0x0 Sense flags: Blk 304288 (valid) resid: 6144 cmd finished after 0.115s timeout 200s I used to assume it was those crappy PNY CD-Rs, but it happens with pretty much every brand now. Anyone know what exactly that error means? Or how I can find out if it's the physical drive, the card, the cables or what? (actually I replaced the card so it's not that. And the cable looks fine. And doing 20 dummy writes in a row give no errors. And recording at a solower speed always works. And I'm going to steal the 12x burner out of my wife's machine anyway). -Yaron -- From esper at sherohman.org Tue Oct 23 10:05:02 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: MS goes against anti-piracy proposal! In-Reply-To: <20011023074820.41595954.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 07:48:20AM -0500 References: <20011023074820.41595954.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011023093324.A8136@sherohman.org> On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 07:48:20AM -0500, Mike Hicks wrote: > Wow, this one must be pretty nasty to get Microsoft to go against it: > > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-7617315.html?tag=mn_hd MS? That's nothing: "The Motion Picture Association of America endorses the goals of Hollings' plan but stops short of actually embracing the proposed legislation itself." I never thought I'd see the day that the _MPAA_ opposed a content- restriction plan. Hell, I thought they were the ones buying the SSSCA (which is the proposal the article is about) in the first place... -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Mr. Slippery From jay at slushpupie.com Tue Oct 23 10:09:01 2001 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCSI errors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011023143841.HZZ661.femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> How hot is the drive? I had some troubles with SCSI devices when they get overheated.. and I would imagine that a CDR drive might be more sensitive to heat than most drives. Jay On Tuesday 23 October 2001 09:22 am, you wrote: > Hey all, > > Lately my trusty old Plextor CD burner has started failing on a > semi-regular basis. I get SCSI errors that look like this: > > g1: scsi sendcmd: no error > CDB: 2A 00 00 04 A3 EE 00 00 1F 00 > status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION) > Sense Bytes: F0 00 03 00 04 A4 A0 0A 00 00 00 00 0C 07 00 00 > Sense Key: 0x3 Medium Error, Segment 0 > Sense Code: 0x0C Qual 0x07 (write error - recovery needed) Fru 0x0 > Sense flags: Blk 304288 (valid) > resid: 6144 > cmd finished after 0.115s timeout 200s > > > I used to assume it was those crappy PNY CD-Rs, but it happens with pretty > much every brand now. Anyone know what exactly that error means? Or how I > can find out if it's the physical drive, the card, the cables or what? > (actually I replaced the card so it's not that. And the cable looks fine. > And doing 20 dummy writes in a row give no errors. And recording at a > solower speed always works. And I'm going to steal the 12x burner out of > my wife's machine anyway). > > -Yaron -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- You enjoy the company of other people. From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Oct 23 10:16:01 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCSI errors In-Reply-To: <20011023143841.HZZ661.femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Jay Kline wrote: > How hot is the drive? I had some troubles with SCSI devices when they get > overheated.. and I would imagine that a CDR drive might be more sensitive to > heat than most drives. I don't know how hot it is, but it's about 65 degrees in my appartment and the drive's only been going for like 20 minutes. -Yaron -- From andy at theasis.com Tue Oct 23 10:21:02 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCSI errors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Lens may need to be cleaned. A. > > How hot is the drive? I had some troubles with SCSI devices when they get > > overheated.. and I would imagine that a CDR drive might be more sensitive to > > heat than most drives. > > I don't know how hot it is, but it's about 65 degrees in my appartment and > the drive's only been going for like 20 minutes. > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From sos at zjod.net Tue Oct 23 10:24:02 2001 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCSI errors In-Reply-To: from "Yaron" at Oct 23, 2001 09:22:51 AM Message-ID: <200110231452.f9NEqq021288@zjod.net> Try cleaning it. Yaron wrote: > > Hey all, > > Lately my trusty old Plextor CD burner has started failing on a > semi-regular basis. I get SCSI errors that look like this: > > g1: scsi sendcmd: no error > CDB: 2A 00 00 04 A3 EE 00 00 1F 00 > status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION) > Sense Bytes: F0 00 03 00 04 A4 A0 0A 00 00 00 00 0C 07 00 00 > Sense Key: 0x3 Medium Error, Segment 0 > Sense Code: 0x0C Qual 0x07 (write error - recovery needed) Fru 0x0 > Sense flags: Blk 304288 (valid) > resid: 6144 > cmd finished after 0.115s timeout 200s > > > I used to assume it was those crappy PNY CD-Rs, but it happens with pretty > much every brand now. Anyone know what exactly that error means? Or how I > can find out if it's the physical drive, the card, the cables or what? > (actually I replaced the card so it's not that. And the cable looks fine. > And doing 20 dummy writes in a row give no errors. And recording at a > solower speed always works. And I'm going to steal the 12x burner out of > my wife's machine anyway). > > -Yaron > From marc at ds6.net Tue Oct 23 10:26:20 2001 From: marc at ds6.net (Marc A. Ohmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux-kernel archives? In-Reply-To: <20011023003715.G14717@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 12:37:15AM -0500 References: <20011023003715.G14717@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011023095320.A13397@flanders.digsol.net> I have everything from about 10/6 - current at http://www.itlabs.umn.edu/~ohma0010/linux-kernel200110.tar.gz marc On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 12:37:15AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > I lost a couple of weeks of the linux kernel archive. > > Anyone have the stuff in mbox/maildir format so I can re-inject it into the > archives? > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Marc A. Ohmann Digital Solutions, Inc http://ds6.net marc@ds6.net From fritchie at mr.net Tue Oct 23 11:10:02 2001 From: fritchie at mr.net (Scott Lystig Fritchie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IceCast? In-Reply-To: Message of "Sun, 21 Oct 2001 22:16:56 CDT." <01102122165601.00747@Dingo> Message-ID: <200110231539.f9NFdNM67106@snookles.snookles.com> >>>>> "mn" == Mike Nielsen writes: mn> Anyone ever play with this much? I haven't grabbed newer source code (in over a year) ... but the stuff worked just fine. Pretty easy to set up. Hopefully they've added move flexible configuration now for hosting, but even if they haven't you can work around many limitations (as of over a year ago) by running multiple icecast daemons. "Live" streaming was quite easy to set up. Periodic announcements to streaming server directories (Shoutcast, Icecast's, etc.) was easy. -Scott From duncan at sodatrain.com Tue Oct 23 11:19:01 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SAMBA with vmware References: Message-ID: <3BD5916E.5040105@sodatrain.com> anyone here having luck using samba with vmware? i cant seem to be able to connect to my own samba server... but its setup with vmware (they have a slightly modified version) Im following this diagnostics tests from DIAGONSIS.txt with the source download. I am trying to smbclient -L money where money is the host i am trying to connect from, and the smbd server. i have checked and smbd is running, however, i get the following error when i try and connect: [root@money smb]# smbclient -L money added interface ip=192.168.255.31 bcast=192.168.255.255 nmask=255.255.255.0 added interface ip=192.168.202.1 bcast=192.168.202.255 nmask=255.255.255.0 error connecting to 192.168.255.31:139 (Connection refused) Connection to money failed My host (money) isint in the main dns here, and ive been listing it in /etc/hosts as 127.0.0.1 and the 192.168.255.31 addr (not at the same time) If anyone can help... id appreciate it. thx duncan From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Oct 23 11:29:02 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SAMBA with vmware In-Reply-To: <3BD5916E.5040105@sodatrain.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, duncan wrote: > anyone here having luck using samba with vmware? > > i cant seem to be able to connect to my own samba server... but its > setup with vmware (they have a slightly modified version) Sounds like you have VMware configured so that it can't see the local host. There's 4 options when you set up VMware, and I can't for the life of me remember the option you need to choose, but if you're set up in host-only (I think that's what you're in) you can't even ping your own workstation. -Brian From duncan at sodatrain.com Tue Oct 23 11:44:03 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SAMBA with vmware References: Message-ID: <3BD59692.8030503@sodatrain.com> > > Sounds like you have VMware configured so that it can't see the local > host. There's 4 options when you set up VMware, and I can't for the life > of me remember the option you need to choose, but if you're set up in > host-only (I think that's what you're in) you can't even ping your own > workstation. "If you chose to install Samba when you installed VMware Workstation -- or if you already had Samba configured appropriately on your host -- the guest operating system can share files with the host using the facilities of the host-only network" -- VMWARE.com http://www.vmware.com/support/reference/linux/networking_linux.html so that doesnt seem to be in... From fertch at mninter.net Tue Oct 23 12:03:00 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Partition sizes Message-ID: <3BD55582.2080602@mninter.net> Okay, I can't seem to find anything current on this for the current kernel release. I'm trying to build a machine, with a number of drives: 2800MB IDE's, and 3 200MB SCSI's. I have the following partitions and sizes: /dev/hda1 / 275MB /dev/hda2 /usr 525MB /dev/hdb1 /var 275MB /dev/hdb2 /tmp 275MB (not swap space, as swap is on another drive than this) /dev/hdb3 /files 250MB (future NFS directory) One of the 200MB scsi drives are partitioned for swap space (64MB) and the other is for /home which takes up the rest of the drive. The other two are full partitions and will be used for misc. directories of data storage. When loading Slack 8, I get the a point in the install and I receive an error. IO/xx or something. Typically I've gotten this when my partitions are too small. Which I'm assuming is the case now. This box is going to be my gateway/firewall on a dial-up connection and will be moved over whenever cable becomes available. I'm not running X, so the install should be smaller. So, here's the question: With not running X, what are my partitions sizes supposed to be? I have an older System book which is based off of RedHat, but that is for the old 2.2 kernel and RH 6.1 I think but the partitions seem to be too small now. Any help? Shawn From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Tue Oct 23 12:13:01 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SAMBA with vmware Message-ID: I would NOT use 255 in your host address. 1-254 are usually good values with a class [ABC] address type netmasks (all quads are 255 or 0). 0 can be ambiguous or wrong and 255 is even wronger ("that's 'more wrong'"). Or am I wrong...? >>> duncan@sodatrain.com 10/23/01 10:49AM >>> anyone here having luck using samba with vmware? i cant seem to be able to connect to my own samba server... but its setup with vmware (they have a slightly modified version) Im following this diagnostics tests from DIAGONSIS.txt with the source download. I am trying to smbclient -L money where money is the host i am trying to connect from, and the smbd server. i have checked and smbd is running, however, i get the following error when i try and connect: [root@money smb]# smbclient -L money added interface ip=192.168.255.31 bcast=192.168.255.255 nmask=255.255.255.0 added interface ip=192.168.202.1 bcast=192.168.202.255 nmask=255.255.255.0 error connecting to 192.168.255.31:139 (Connection refused) Connection to money failed My host (money) isint in the main dns here, and ive been listing it in /etc/hosts as 127.0.0.1 and the 192.168.255.31 addr (not at the same time) If anyone can help... id appreciate it. thx duncan _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From fertch at mninter.net Tue Oct 23 12:29:01 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Partition sizes References: <3BD55582.2080602@mninter.net> Message-ID: <3BD55ACF.2070600@mninter.net> Err, that's supposed to be 2 800MB IDE HDDs Shawn wrote: > Okay, I can't seem to find anything current on this for the current > kernel release. I'm trying to build a machine, with a number of > drives: 2800MB IDE's, and 3 200MB SCSI's. > > I have the following partitions and sizes: > /dev/hda1 / 275MB > /dev/hda2 /usr 525MB > /dev/hdb1 /var 275MB > /dev/hdb2 /tmp 275MB (not swap space, as swap is on another > drive than this) > /dev/hdb3 /files 250MB (future NFS directory) > > One of the 200MB scsi drives are partitioned for swap space (64MB) and > the other is for /home which takes up the rest of the drive. The > other two are full partitions and will be used for misc. directories > of data storage. > > When loading Slack 8, I get the a point in the install and I receive > an error. IO/xx or something. Typically I've gotten this when my > partitions are too small. Which I'm assuming is the case now. > This box is going to be my gateway/firewall on a dial-up connection > and will be moved over whenever cable becomes available. I'm not > running X, so the install should be smaller. > > So, here's the question: With not running X, what are my partitions > sizes supposed to be? I have an older System book which is based off > of RedHat, but that is for the old 2.2 kernel and RH 6.1 I think but > the partitions seem to be too small now. > > Any help? > From chrome at real-time.com Tue Oct 23 12:30:33 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Partition sizes In-Reply-To: <3BD55582.2080602@mninter.net>; from fertch@mninter.net on Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 11:33:22AM +0000 References: <3BD55582.2080602@mninter.net> Message-ID: <20011023115748.A9762@real-time.com> > When loading Slack 8, I get the a point in the install and I receive an > error. IO/xx or something. Typically I've gotten this when my > partitions are too small. Which I'm assuming is the case now. hmmm. I managed to install Slack 7.1 on a 486/25 with 100MB of /, and 100MB /home. was a bit tight, but I managed to get a web server with mysql, php, perl and python. (I did end up symlinking /var/lib to /home/lib, because I was out of space on the / partition). > So, here's the question: With not running X, what are my partitions > sizes supposed to be? I have an older System book which is based off of > RedHat, but that is for the old 2.2 kernel and RH 6.1 I think but the > partitions seem to be too small now. well, given what you have, here's what I'd recommend: (everyone will find some fault with this, so listen to them too) /var -- 800MB -- this is so your squid cache has some space, if you set one of them up. /usr -- 800MB -- you don't really need all that; but if you're worried about being out of space, that should be more than plenty. the other advantage of making /usr a separate partition, is that you can mount it read-only after you have everything installed, so it'll be less susceptible to corruption, and harder for a cracker to install a rootkit/backdoor/trojan. if it's on a separate drive, it may even be possible to jumper the drive to be physically read-only (some old drives support this). / -- 200MB -- this is for /boot, /bin, /sbin, and /tmp (/tmp should always be on the / partition, because it may be needed during the boot sequence). you could also leave /home on this drive, if you don't ever plan on doing anything with it. swap -- the last 200MB drive. make your swap partition at least twice as big as your RAM, for 2.4 kernels. how much memory do you have? don't serve NFS from a firewall. it's not very secure. it's entirely possible I'm missing something which will cause this suggestion to be totally worthless. :) Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Tue Oct 23 12:34:39 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SFTP error In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 12:03:08PM -0500 References: <20011021081947.B28685@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20011023120013.B9762@real-time.com> > According to a post I saw, you can set up conditional commands in your > .bashrc to work around this. If it's in non-interactive mode (SFTP) you > can bypass it. Any idea how I would do this? I skimmed the man page on > bash and didn't ee it in there anywhere. well, here's how RH 6.2 has the /etc/bashrc file set up (or something like this... I edited this file several times, and long since forgot what I did to it): # are we an interactive shell? if [ "$PS1" ]; then if [ "x`tput kbs`" != "x" ]; then # We can't do this with "dumb" terminal stty erase `tput kbs` fi case $TERM in xterm*) PROMPT_COMMAND='echo -ne "\033]0;${USER}@${HOSTNAME}: ${PWD}\007"' ;; *) ;; esac if [ "x$SHLVL" != "x1" ]; then # We're not a login shell for i in /etc/profile.d/*.sh; do if [ -x $i ]; then . $i fi done fi fi Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From duncan at sodatrain.com Tue Oct 23 12:36:17 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SAMBA with vmware References: Message-ID: <3BD5A29A.6030103@sodatrain.com> well... i killed vmwares version, and grabbed the latest source from samba.org. things seem to work great now. thx duncan From kristin at criticalinfoexpress.com Tue Oct 23 12:43:00 2001 From: kristin at criticalinfoexpress.com (kristin@criticalinfoexpress.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] When pumpkins get drunk Message-ID: <6369988.1003856281133.JavaMail.root@genesis.teamnoggin.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011023/895f044b/attachment.htm From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Oct 23 13:06:01 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCSI errors In-Reply-To: <200110231452.f9NEqq021288@zjod.net> Message-ID: Hey, On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Steve Siegfried wrote: > Try cleaning it. I don't know if any of you has ever seen a Plextor drive on the inside, but I am impressed. Despite the severe dust coating inside my machine (cleaned monthly to no avail) and despite having a fan sucking air into the thing, there was NOT ONE BIT OF DUST in the drive. I did clean the lens just in case anyway, but I'm still getting those errors. -Yaron -- From fertch at mninter.net Tue Oct 23 13:11:36 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Partition sizes References: <3BD55582.2080602@mninter.net> <20011023115748.A9762@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3BD5654F.2080206@mninter.net> Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > >swap -- the last 200MB drive. make your swap partition at least twice as big >as your RAM, for 2.4 kernels. how much memory do you have? > >don't serve NFS from a firewall. it's not very secure. > It has 32MB ram, it's a P120 old gateway desktop. For some reason, can't get into the bios either to set the HW date. Tried, F1, F2, del, space all to no avail. Just remembered that. I plan on running sendmail from it as well. Also looking at various tracking programs for webpages that have been gone to from internally, and security logs. NFS? I typed that? Sheesh, was meaning an FTP directory. Of course, I can do that with some routing options from a different server as well. Shawn From amy at real-time.com Tue Oct 23 13:20:02 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vmware - virtual vs raw disk Message-ID: <20011023114651.E19316@real-time.com> I understand vmware allows you to install the guest os in either a virtual disk (basically a file) or on a raw disk. I'll be installing Windows 2K as the guest OS. Is it really worth it installing it on a raw disk vs virtual disk. Pros/cons? thx. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From hvidsl at parknicollet.com Tue Oct 23 13:26:01 2001 From: hvidsl at parknicollet.com (Hvidsten, Leif) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Partition sizes Message-ID: I used to have a Dell Dimension P120 system. I think I might have an extra pair of SIMMs memory from that system.....(probably only 16MB)....I can mail the SIMMs to you for free if you'd like to have some extra memory. I think they're 72-pin. Just e-mail me directly if you're interested. > -----Original Message----- > From: Shawn [mailto:fertch@mninter.net] > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 7:41 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Partition sizes > > > Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > > >swap -- the last 200MB drive. make your swap partition at > least twice as big > >as your RAM, for 2.4 kernels. how much memory do you have? > > > >don't serve NFS from a firewall. it's not very secure. > > > > It has 32MB ram, it's a P120 old gateway desktop. For some reason, > can't get into the bios either to set the HW date. Tried, > F1, F2, del, > space all to no avail. Just remembered that. I plan on running > sendmail from it as well. Also looking at various tracking > programs for > webpages that have been gone to from internally, and security logs. > > NFS? I typed that? Sheesh, was meaning an FTP directory. > Of course, I > can do that with some routing options from a different server as well. > > Shawn > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > PRIVACY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain business confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If this e-mail was not intended for you, please notify the sender by reply e-mail that you received this in error. Destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. From drew at usfamily.net Tue Oct 23 13:32:02 2001 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] When pumpkins get drunk References: <6369988.1003856281133.JavaMail.root@genesis.teamnoggin.com> Message-ID: <3BD5B0A4.F6AE8618@usfamily.net> Umm, I dont get it? kristin@criticalinfoexpress.com wrote: > [Fish] [Laughter Express] [Tag Line] [Login!] [Register!] > > > An unknown error has occured: > null > > URL: /emailTemplate.jsp > > What is LaughterExpress.com? LE is a platform where ordinary people can share with others the things that make them laugh. The LE platform allows you to send jokes in a clean format, instead of full of confusing junk. Join LE Privacy notice Copyright Contact Us Submit your Feel comfortable Disclaimer info@teamnoggin.com jokes, riddles in forwarding All content, or funny funny email to images, and pictures and your friends and trademarks send them to colleagues. 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I guess that makes him a "real man"? -Brian From sraun at fireopal.org Tue Oct 23 13:53:06 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Partition sizes In-Reply-To: <3BD5654F.2080206@mninter.net> References: <3BD55582.2080602@mninter.net> <20011023115748.A9762@real-time.com> <3BD5654F.2080206@mninter.net> Message-ID: <20011023132105.A6101@iaxs.net> On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 12:40:47PM +0000, Shawn wrote: > It has 32MB ram, it's a P120 old gateway desktop. For some reason, > can't get into the bios either to set the HW date. Tried, F1, F2, del, > space all to no avail. Just remembered that. Try all the variations on {Ctl|Alt|Shift} {Enter|S} at a command prompt. Some BIOS intercept that keystroke set after boot to enter setup. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Oct 23 14:37:00 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vmware - virtual vs raw disk In-Reply-To: <20011023114651.E19316@real-time.com> References: <20011023114651.E19316@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011023190626.816344580@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> On Tuesday 23 October 2001 11:46 am, you wrote: > I understand vmware allows you to install the guest os in either > a virtual disk (basically a file) or on a raw disk. I'll be installing > Windows 2K as the guest OS. Is it really worth it installing it on a > raw disk vs virtual disk. Pros/cons? > > thx. In the current stable version of VMWare you're limited to a 2gb virtural disk. This can get a little squishy for Windows 2000. But version 3 doesn't have that limitation. It's worth checking out the beta. The USB support is nice. Seems a little faster, and I haven't had any stability problems other than leaving Windows 2000 running inside VMWare for 48 hours. :) Stick with virtural disks unless you have a good reason not to. Once VMWare 3 is released you should be able to grow the size of the virtural disks and extend the volume in Windows 2000. From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Tue Oct 23 15:17:01 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Partition sizes In-Reply-To: <20011023132105.A6101@iaxs.net> Message-ID: What bios is it? Award? AMI? Pheonix? if you cannot tell from the POST check the chip on the motherboard... Gateway has a pretty good support site, have you tried to find a Manual there? try the following link: http://www.gateway.com/support/product/components/index.shtml -munir On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Scott Raun wrote: > On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 12:40:47PM +0000, Shawn wrote: > > It has 32MB ram, it's a P120 old gateway desktop. For some reason, > > can't get into the bios either to set the HW date. Tried, F1, F2, del, > > space all to no avail. Just remembered that. > > Try all the variations on {Ctl|Alt|Shift} {Enter|S} at a command > prompt. Some BIOS intercept that keystroke set after boot to enter > setup. > > From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Tue Oct 23 15:20:11 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [kurt@seifried.org: Red Hat 7.2 GnuPG signed RPM verification fails on distribution files] Message-ID: <20011023144750.A27187@trammell.dyndns.org> All you Dead Rat folks might want to take note. ----- Forwarded message from Kurt Seifried ----- From: "Kurt Seifried" To: , Subject: Red Hat 7.2 GnuPG signed RPM verification fails on distribution files Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 03:17:16 -0600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Kurt Seifried Security Advisory 002 (KSSA-002) http://www.seifried.org/security/advisories/kssa-002.html By Kurt Seifried, kurt@seifried.org - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------- Title: Red Hat 7.2 GnuPG signed RPM verification fails on distribution files Issue date: Oct 23, 2001 History of advisory: Oct 23, 2001 While downloading Red Hat 7.2 Kurt Seifried noticed various packages were not GnuPG signed. Author: Kurt Seifried kurt@seifried.org Credits: N/A Overview: Red Hat 7.2 distribution files on popular ftp sites such as ftp.ibiblio.org and mirrors.hpcf.upr.edu are not signed. It is unlikely that this is an attack as the number of sites involved makes it likely someone would have noticed and notified the community. Either Red Hat did not sign these packages, or someone subverted the distribution process before the files got to various sites. For Red Hat 7.1 please note that all files were correctly signed with the Red Hat GnuPG security key. Vendor Contact: security@redhat.com Impact: An attacker can create RPM's that will not appear any different from the real ones, as they do not need to be signed. Finding the MD5 sums of the files in trusted locations is very difficult (I cannot find any lists). Details: Red Hat has released Red Hat 7.2, a much anticipated release. Typically all the rpm distribution files are signed, making it very easy to verify their correctness. Since numerous packages are not signed it becomes trivial for an attacker to replace packages on a distribution site with no-one being able to easily verify that they have been subverted. An attacker would not even need to modify or add files to the package, instead they could add a preinstall, postinstall, preuninstall or postuninstall script that would be capable of compromising the system since these scripts run with root privileges. Packages include rpmdb-redhat and redhat-release. Solutions and workarounds: None available. Red Hat needs to sign the packages properly with GnuPG. 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 240 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011023/c2f46340/attachment.pgp From tanner at real-time.com Tue Oct 23 15:28:01 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 7.2 CDs Message-ID: <20011023145735.Y25210@real-time.com> Just a friendly reminder, if you want to stop by with your CDRs, myself, Nate or Carl can burn you a 7.2 disk. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Tue Oct 23 15:33:01 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Partition sizes In-Reply-To: <3BD5654F.2080206@mninter.net> Message-ID: |It has 32MB ram, it's a P120 old gateway desktop. For some reason, |can't get into the bios either to set the HW date. Tried, F1, F2, del, |space all to no avail. Just remembered that. Try F10 / shift-F10 some of the older IBM's used that, I don't remember what Gateway used to use, but it might work... From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Oct 23 15:59:01 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mail headers and expiration time Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE034@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Is there something I can put in my mail headers to tell the mailserver to stop trying to send after 1 day instead of the default 4 days? Jay From jay at slushpupie.com Tue Oct 23 16:07:01 2001 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mail headers and expiration time In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE034@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE034@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011023203624.FEID5178.femail23.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Such behavior is not standardized, and if any server does do that, it would be specific to the server. Find out which SMTP server you/your ISP use and start digging... :-) Jay On Tuesday 23 October 2001 03:25 pm, you wrote: > Is there something I can put in my mail headers to tell the mailserver to > stop trying to send after 1 day instead of the default 4 days? > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- Your supervisor is thinking about you. From nolanjm at juno.com Tue Oct 23 16:51:01 2001 From: nolanjm at juno.com (Jerry M Nolan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bearops Message-ID: <20011023.162502.-482985.0.nolanjm@juno.com> does anyone have experience with bearops? Is it comparable to redhat, slackware, mandrake, etc. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From jkey at usa.net Tue Oct 23 16:54:01 2001 From: jkey at usa.net (Joseph Key) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Partition sizes References: <3BD55582.2080602@mninter.net> Message-ID: <008901c15c08$a891b660$0139a8c0@tomobiki.dyndns.org> I have a full install of Slack 8 with some extra programs in the /usr directory. A df shows I have the following size file systems. /home is a 30 G drive. If you install KDE and Gnome they now use the /opt directory. Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/hda1 1793768 1479688 222960 87% / /dev/hde1 512012 378020 133992 74% /opt /dev/hde2 308432 107208 201224 35% /var /dev/hde3 237876 32848 205028 14% /tmp Joseph Key From jkey at usa.net Tue Oct 23 16:56:16 2001 From: jkey at usa.net (Joseph Key) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Partition sizes References: Message-ID: <008a01c15c08$a8bae940$0139a8c0@tomobiki.dyndns.org> Another trick is to hold one of the keyboard keys down while posting. This causes a keyboard stuck key error which sometimes gives you the option to press a key to enter setup. Joseph Key ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Spinti" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 3:05 PM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Partition sizes > |It has 32MB ram, it's a P120 old gateway desktop. For some reason, > |can't get into the bios either to set the HW date. Tried, F1, F2, del, > |space all to no avail. Just remembered that. > > Try F10 / shift-F10 some of the older IBM's used that, I don't remember > what Gateway used to use, but it might work... > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From marc at ds6.net Tue Oct 23 17:48:01 2001 From: marc at ds6.net (Marc A. Ohmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Partition sizes In-Reply-To: <20011023115748.A9762@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 11:57:48AM -0500 References: <3BD55582.2080602@mninter.net> <20011023115748.A9762@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011023171658.A13967@flanders.digsol.net> > / -- 200MB -- this is for /boot, /bin, /sbin, and /tmp (/tmp should always > be on the / partition, because it may be needed during the boot sequence). > you could also leave /home on this drive, if you don't ever plan on doing > anything with it. From simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com Tue Oct 23 17:53:02 2001 From: simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Partition sizes Message-ID: This config should work great. Without X the /usr should be large enough for everything needed. I would be worried about the /usr/src if there's going to be any recompiling going on (recommended). Especially for a 2.4.x kernel. Maybe reformat the /var drive for.. 600MB = /var 200MB = /usr/src That should do the trick... maybe. If you want I can recomend a distro for you. Trustix Secure Linux. http://www.trustix.org/ Based on RH 6.1 and updated and secured meant to be used as a secure server. It will handle the 2.4.x kernel (just download and compile). But comes w/ a 2.2.19 version. It will easily fit in that amount of space. Even w/ a complete install. There is a floppy for net install if the ISO is not an option for you. The current version is 1.5 and is very nice IMHO. No X even. : ) sim > > So, here's the question: With not running X, what are my partitions > > > sizes supposed to be? I have an older System book which is based > off of > > RedHat, but that is for the old 2.2 kernel and RH 6.1 I think but > the > > partitions seem to be too small now. > well, given what you have, here's what I'd recommend: > (everyone will find some fault with this, so listen to them too) > /var -- 800MB -- this is so your squid cache has some space, if you > set one of > them up. > /usr -- 800MB -- you don't really need all that; but if you're worried > about > being out of space, that should be more than plenty. the other > advantage of > making /usr a separate partition, is that you can mount it read-only > after > you have everything installed, so it'll be less susceptible to > corruption, > and harder for a cracker to install a rootkit/backdoor/trojan. if it's > on a > separate drive, it may even be possible to jumper the drive to be > physically > read-only (some old drives support this). > / -- 200MB -- this is for /boot, /bin, /sbin, and /tmp (/tmp should > always > be on the / partition, because it may be needed during the boot > sequence). > you could also leave /home on this drive, if you don't ever plan on > doing > anything with it. > swap -- the last 200MB drive. make your swap partition at least twice > as big > as your RAM, for 2.4 kernels. how much memory do you have? From ray at lctn.k12.mn.us Tue Oct 23 18:15:03 2001 From: ray at lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vncserver/viewer question Message-ID: <01b001c15c13$b7dfb530$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> I have figured out how to get the desktop I want with vnc, but would like to know how to view the current desktop I am working with. I have started some installs, and want to see their progress, but I get a new desktop when accessing my box with vncviewer. Thanks in advance Raymond Norton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011023/59d120d6/attachment.html From tanner at real-time.com Tue Oct 23 18:19:00 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Quarterly Question: Java IDE for linux? Message-ID: <20011023174827.H25210@real-time.com> It's about that time again. Any improvement in the Java IDE category for linux since April? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jay at slushpupie.com Tue Oct 23 18:38:01 2001 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vncserver/viewer question In-Reply-To: <01b001c15c13$b7dfb530$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> References: <01b001c15c13$b7dfb530$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> Message-ID: <20011023230656.SWJB5211.femail41.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> The quick answer is you cant do it. At least not with the standard VNC server. They have some modified versions, but I never played with them... Jay On Tuesday 23 October 2001 05:40 pm, you wrote: > I have figured out how to get the desktop I want with vnc, but would like > to know how to view the current desktop I am working with. I have started > some installs, and want to see their progress, but I get a new desktop when > accessing my box with vncviewer. > > > Thanks in advance > > > Raymond Norton -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first. -- Mark Twain From florin at iucha.net Tue Oct 23 19:32:01 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Partition sizes In-Reply-To: <20011023171658.A13967@flanders.digsol.net>; from marc@ds6.net on Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 05:16:58PM -0500 References: <3BD55582.2080602@mninter.net> <20011023115748.A9762@real-time.com> <20011023171658.A13967@flanders.digsol.net> Message-ID: <20011023190120.D24678@beaver.iucha.org> On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 05:16:58PM -0500, Marc A. Ohmann wrote: > > / -- 200MB -- this is for /boot, /bin, /sbin, and /tmp (/tmp should always > > be on the / partition, because it may be needed during the boot sequence). > > you could also leave /home on this drive, if you don't ever plan on doing > > anything with it. > > >From my experience, I would leave /tmp off the root partition so you can mount / ro for further protection from corruption. I also don't generally like to let any user fill up the / partition as /tmp is usually world writable. 1. Don't create a /tmp partition. Make that disk as swap and use tmpfs. The relevant /etc/fstab line: tmp /tmp tmpfs defaults 0 0 Of course you need kernel 2.4... 2. You can't mount / as ro. There is at least /etc/mtab (which you can symlink to /proc/mounts but there are still problems with that) and some other files... > Some older instalations require /usr to be on / for access during boot but I don't think any current dist requires this. No way /usr is required. > I managed to install Slack 3.? on my 386-25 with a 20MB HD from 4.25" floppies. It used to route my ppp connection and print serve. Gee, you really have a problem with numbers/sizes do you ? :)... I haven't seen 4.25" floppies yet... florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011023/49470af1/attachment.pgp From florin at iucha.net Tue Oct 23 19:39:02 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Quarterly Question: Java IDE for linux? In-Reply-To: <20011023174827.H25210@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 05:48:27PM -0500 References: <20011023174827.H25210@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011023190537.E24678@beaver.iucha.org> On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 05:48:27PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > It's about that time again. > > Any improvement in the Java IDE category for linux since April? Your firehose is geting ticly Bob? We just had 10 paralell flamewars going on las week. We are tired! We won't bite! Not this time... Still reading? Both vim and emacs just released major versions lately... Now really... I have tried a bunch and everytime came back to vim... But maybe is just me. florin, crouching and hiding -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm thinking of mouting /boot ro > > Some older instalations require /usr to be on / for access during boot but I don't think any current dist requires this. > > No way /usr is required. I have /usr on a separate partition with debian, slack8.0 and various slack7's who requires it? Maybe you can clarify why it would be required? What gets used from /usr before everything is mounted? > > > I managed to install Slack 3.? on my 386-25 with a 20MB HD from 4.25" floppies. It used to route my ppp connection and print serve. > > Gee, you really have a problem with numbers/sizes do you ? :)... I haven't > seen 4.25" floppies yet... > > florin > Sorry, make that 5.25 -- I actually had to go measure one to remember :-) -- Marc A. Ohmann Digital Solutions, Inc http://ds6.net marc@ds6.net From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Tue Oct 23 20:25:02 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Secure IMAP revisited Message-ID: OK, so i got IMAPd from Washington U and it seems to have compiled fine and when i telnet to port 143 i get: * OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4REV1 LOGIN-REFERRALS STARTTLS LOGINDISABLED] localhost.localdomain IMAP4rev1 2001.313 at Tue, 23 Oct 2001 19:44:32 -0500 (CDT) but when i try to telnet to port 993 (secure IMAP) i get nothing... It is probable that i configured the OpenSSL certificates wrong, anyone care to enlighten me on how to properly create certificates and sign them -munir From dutchman at uswest.net Tue Oct 23 20:46:00 2001 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Quarterly Question: Java IDE for linux? Message-ID: <3BD61640.8040402@uswest.net> > On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 05:48:27PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > >> It's about that time again. >> >> Any improvement in the Java IDE category for linux since April? > > > Your firehose is geting ticly Bob? We just had 10 paralell flamewars going > on las week. We are tired! We won't bite! Not this time... > > Still reading? > > Both vim and emacs just released major versions lately... > > Now really... I have tried a bunch and everytime came back to vim... > > But maybe is just me. > florin, crouching and hiding No, life still suks. Like you, I have tried many. I am a VisualAge for Java fan but I can't development against a 1.1.7 JDK which is where IBM left VAJ 3.02 for Linux. I can't stand project-based products like NetBeans or Forte. They get in my way more than they help. I rather use Ant so I know exactly how my project is set up. Right now, I use an editor called JEdit. The only drawback is it is written in Java, so you need a fast machine to use it. It has plug-ins to augment functionality including one for JSwat. If I was ambitious, I would write a plug-in for JEdit to tie into CVS. -- Perry Hoekstra E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com From markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net Tue Oct 23 20:54:00 2001 From: markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ladies and Gentlemen... References: Message-ID: <00e501c15c29$705f68c0$1e02a8c0@zippy> I saw several at microcenter. http://www.microcenter.com/store_locations/map_minnesota.html Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Spinti" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 9:16 AM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Ladies and Gentlemen... Has anybody seen the Penguin Computing T-shirts recently? They are not available at linuxmall.com anymore (only the poster and mousepad are listed) and penguincomputing.com no longer references them on their site :( just when I had enough spare cash to buy one, too... Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of jack@jacku.com |Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 8:14 AM |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org |Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Ladies and Gentlemen... | | |On Tue, 23 October 2001, "James Spinti" wrote: | |> |> | |> |-Nick "Where can I buy a stuffed penguin" Stolley |> |> www.linuxmall.com has them. |> | |Micro Center has the same ones. (Though not always in stock.) They |keep them back with the Linux Software. | |Jack |_______________________________________________ |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, |Minnesota |http://www.mn-linux.org |tclug-list@mn-linux.org |https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list | _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Tue Oct 23 22:00:01 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] file permissions Message-ID: Hey everyone, I was adding a script to /etc/cron.daily today and I noticed that the stock scripts in there have their permissions set to 755. That seems strange to me. And while I'm at it, what should the perms be on log files in /var/log/? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Oct 23 22:04:01 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MORE SCSI Errors Message-ID: Hey, Ok, I took the SCSI adapter and SCSI CDR out of my machine, and I put an ATAPI CDRW in instead. Compiled a new kernel (2.4.12, was at 2.4.10 before) with SCSI Emulation support. I still get the same SCSI errors on CD burns! Anyone have ANY idea how that could happen? Here's the error again: cdrecord: Input/output error. write_g1: scsi sendcmd: no error CDB: 2A 00 00 05 6B DB 00 00 1F 00 status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION) Sense Bytes: 71 00 03 00 00 00 00 0C 00 00 00 00 0C 00 00 00 Sense Key: 0x3 Medium Error, deferred error, Segment 0 Sense Code: 0x0C Qual 0x00 (write error) Fru 0x0 Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid) cmd finished after 10.044s timeout 200s -Yaron -- From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Oct 23 22:07:01 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] file permissions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey, On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Timothy Wilson wrote: > I was adding a script to /etc/cron.daily today and I noticed that the > stock scripts in there have their permissions set to 755. That seems strange > to me. And while I'm at it, what should the perms be on log files in > /var/log/? Cron scripts need only be executable (not neccesarily readable) by the user that will run them. As long as they're owned by the correct user they can be 700. Same for logs. They only need to be writable by the user who writes to the log. For instance, if you're running Apache as user httpd, httpd needs to have write permissions to /var/log/httpd/*. Nobody needs read permission - root will be able to read it anyway. -Yaron -- From jkey at usa.net Tue Oct 23 22:37:01 2001 From: jkey at usa.net (Joseph Key) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Secure IMAP revisited References: Message-ID: <004d01c15c38$cef87d40$0139a8c0@tomobiki.dyndns.org> Did you add port 993 to your services file in /etc? Joseph Key ----- Original Message ----- From: "Munir Nassar" To: "Twin Cities Linux User Group" Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 7:53 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Secure IMAP revisited > OK, so i got IMAPd from Washington U and it seems to have compiled fine > and when i telnet to port 143 i get: > > > * OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4REV1 LOGIN-REFERRALS STARTTLS LOGINDISABLED] > localhost.localdomain IMAP4rev1 2001.313 at Tue, 23 Oct 2001 19:44:32 > -0500 (CDT) > > > but when i try to telnet to port 993 (secure IMAP) i get nothing... > > It is probable that i configured the OpenSSL certificates wrong, anyone > care to enlighten me on how to properly create certificates and sign them > > -munir > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jaredburns at acm.org Tue Oct 23 23:22:01 2001 From: jaredburns at acm.org (Jared Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Quarterly Question: Java IDE for linux? In-Reply-To: <3BD61640.8040402@uswest.net> References: <3BD61640.8040402@uswest.net> Message-ID: <0def354510318a1FE4@mail4.mn.rr.com> I'm an employee of OTI (Object Technology International), the little company inside IBM responsible for VAJ. I'm pleased to report that good things are on the horizon. :) I don't know if anyone here keeps up with OOPSLA, but last week we (OTI) gave a demo of our current project - a development framework called Eclipse. The Eclipse framework and a set of plugins will be released to the public in the near future - free and open source. One of the plugins included in Eclipse is our latest Java IDE. Eclipse is currently available for both Windows and Linux. I do Java development in Eclipse running on Linux everyday (we develop Eclipse in Eclipse). The IDE is very nice and we're doing our best to stay up to date with new versions of the JDK. We currently support up to 1.3 and I started work on our 1.4 debug support a few days ago. For more information on Eclipse, feel free to check out www.eclipsecorner.org. Many areas of the site (the newsgroup and download area, unfortunately) currently require a password (which can be obtained through IBM if you or your company is really interested in Eclipse), but that will be changing. - Jared On Tue Oct 23 09:15 pm, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 05:48:27PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > >> It's about that time again. > >> > >> Any improvement in the Java IDE category for linux since April? > > > > Your firehose is geting ticly Bob? We just had 10 paralell flamewars > > going on las week. We are tired! We won't bite! Not this time... > > > > Still reading? > > > > Both vim and emacs just released major versions lately... > > > > Now really... I have tried a bunch and everytime came back to vim... > > > > But maybe is just me. > > florin, crouching and hiding > > No, life still suks. Like you, I have tried many. I am a VisualAge for > Java fan > > but I can't development against a 1.1.7 JDK which is where IBM left VAJ > 3.02 for Linux. > > > I can't stand project-based products like NetBeans or Forte. They get in > my way more than they help. I rather > > use Ant so I know exactly how my project is set up. > > > Right now, I use an editor called JEdit. The only drawback is it is > written in Java, so you need a fast machine to use it. It has plug-ins > to augment functionality including one for JSwat. If I was ambitious, I > would write a plug-in for JEdit to tie into CVS. From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Oct 23 23:31:02 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MORE SCSI Errors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011023230033.28578771.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Yaron wrote: > > Hey, > > Ok, I took the SCSI adapter and SCSI CDR out of my machine, and I put an > ATAPI CDRW in instead. Compiled a new kernel (2.4.12, was at 2.4.10 > before) with SCSI Emulation support. > > I still get the same SCSI errors on CD burns! Anyone have ANY idea how > that could happen? Here's the error again: I had trouble for ages with my old system (an AMD K6-2) because I overclocked it (and not by a whole lot). If you're overclocking, try running the system at normal speed. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ 668 - Neighbor of the / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Beast \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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"Connection closed by foreign host" I just found some instructions on how to wrap imap around stunnel but i just got the exact same thing... next i will try to compile imap without ssl support and then wrap stunnel around it, wish me luck! -munir > Joseph Key > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Munir Nassar" > To: "Twin Cities Linux User Group" > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 7:53 PM > Subject: [TCLUG] Secure IMAP revisited > > > > OK, so i got IMAPd from Washington U and it seems to have compiled fine > > and when i telnet to port 143 i get: > > > > > > * OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4REV1 LOGIN-REFERRALS STARTTLS LOGINDISABLED] > > localhost.localdomain IMAP4rev1 2001.313 at Tue, 23 Oct 2001 19:44:32 > > -0500 (CDT) > > > > > > but when i try to telnet to port 993 (secure IMAP) i get nothing... > > > > It is probable that i configured the OpenSSL certificates wrong, anyone > > care to enlighten me on how to properly create certificates and sign them > > > > -munir > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jts at tc.umn.edu Tue Oct 23 23:49:01 2001 From: jts at tc.umn.edu (Joel T Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Quarterly Question: Java IDE for linux? In-Reply-To: <200110240437.f9O4bAb29014@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Oct 2001 Bob Tanner wrote: > It's about that time again. > > Any improvement in the Java IDE category for linux since April? Can't say that I've used it much myself, but I know at least one person who really likes NetBeans (www.netbeans.org). It has Ant integration (ant.netbeans.org). Joel From florin at iucha.net Tue Oct 23 23:52:01 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Quarterly Question: Java IDE for linux? In-Reply-To: <0def354510318a1FE4@mail4.mn.rr.com>; from jaredburns@acm.org on Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 10:52:55PM -0400 References: <3BD61640.8040402@uswest.net> <0def354510318a1FE4@mail4.mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <20011023232101.A23120@beaver.iucha.org> On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 10:52:55PM -0400, Jared Burns wrote: > I'm an employee of OTI (Object Technology International), the little company > inside IBM responsible for VAJ. I'm pleased to report that good things are on > the horizon. :) > > I don't know if anyone here keeps up with OOPSLA, but last week we (OTI) gave > a demo of our current project - a development framework called Eclipse. The > Eclipse framework and a set of plugins will be released to the public in the > near future - free and open source. 1. Without asking you to break any commitments: does near future means 6 mos? a. yes b. no c. can't tell 2. How speedy it is on a reasonable devel machine? Like 500 MHz x86 CPU with plenty of RAM? Or on a 350 MHz SPARC? 3. How good is the class browser? 4. Support for key bindings? Support for VI emulation? 5. Tags support? I mean put the cursor over a word and type and you jump to the definition. 6. Autocompletion? 7. diff/patch support? 8. Plugins for RCS/CVS/Subversion/ClearCase? 9. Compilable with gcj to native code? Thanks, florin PS. A simple "can't tell but I will post this to the internal wish list" would do. Really. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011023/2136e724/attachment.pgp From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Oct 24 00:06:02 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MORE SCSI Errors In-Reply-To: <20011023230033.28578771.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: Hey, On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Mike Hicks wrote: > I had trouble for ages with my old system (an AMD K6-2) because I > overclocked it (and not by a whole lot). If you're overclocking, try > running the system at normal speed. No, this is a newish K7 and is not overclocked. -Yaron -- From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Oct 24 01:15:01 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Secure IMAP revisited - FIXED In-Reply-To: <004d01c15c38$cef87d40$0139a8c0@tomobiki.dyndns.org> Message-ID: Yippeee!!! it is working, apperently i had miscompiled imap by using the lnp (linux with PAM) rather than slx (linux with shadow passwords) and (as i suspected) the stunnel ssl certificate was not proper... thanks for your help guys!!! -munir On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Joseph Key wrote: > Did you add port 993 to your services file in /etc? > > Joseph Key > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Munir Nassar" > To: "Twin Cities Linux User Group" > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 7:53 PM > Subject: [TCLUG] Secure IMAP revisited > > > > OK, so i got IMAPd from Washington U and it seems to have compiled fine > > and when i telnet to port 143 i get: > > > > > > * OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4REV1 LOGIN-REFERRALS STARTTLS LOGINDISABLED] > > localhost.localdomain IMAP4rev1 2001.313 at Tue, 23 Oct 2001 19:44:32 > > -0500 (CDT) > > > > > > but when i try to telnet to port 993 (secure IMAP) i get nothing... > > > > It is probable that i configured the OpenSSL certificates wrong, anyone > > care to enlighten me on how to properly create certificates and sign them > > > > -munir > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From ray at lctn.k12.mn.us Wed Oct 24 08:02:01 2001 From: ray at lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need to fdisk linux drive Message-ID: <020301c15c87$529ee550$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> I want to fdisk, or the Linux equivalent, a hard drive that has been used for Linux. I need to move it to a machine which we will install Windows. I tried fdisk, but it says "Error reading fixed disk" Thanks Raymond -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011024/75a85a4d/attachment.htm From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Oct 24 09:39:01 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need to fdisk linux drive In-Reply-To: <020301c15c87$529ee550$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> References: <020301c15c87$529ee550$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> Message-ID: <20011024140830.64D5245BF@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Windows fdisk should be able to delete primiary linux partitions. If you have logical partitions with drives it usually can't handle it. fdisk is a command under Linux. For a more userfriendly version, try cfdisk. If you're stuck with dos, fips might do the trick. If lilo/grub is on the hard drive you usually need to do a fdisk /mbr to get lilo off the hard drive. (The is an option to remove it, but I can't remember what it is without looking at lilo --help) - -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." - --William Arthur Ward -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjvWy1kACgkQ/PFCAPL3hQOlKQCfWvii4WFCaHuBgjttJ9EYsVnB GLIAnjCssKWcywuA3FaAXr/GwRBX0X2M =xOyL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ray at lctn.k12.mn.us Wed Oct 24 09:47:01 2001 From: ray at lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need to fdisk linux drive References: <020301c15c87$529ee550$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> <20011024140830.64D5245BF@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <021d01c15c96$14513280$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> How can I create a linux bootdisk with druid or fdisk capability? I can't really boot to the drive and fdisk it while mounted, can I? ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) To: Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] need to fdisk linux drive > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Windows fdisk should be able to delete primiary linux partitions. If you have > logical partitions with drives it usually can't handle it. > > fdisk is a command under Linux. For a more userfriendly version, try cfdisk. > > If you're stuck with dos, fips might do the trick. > > If lilo/grub is on the hard drive you usually need to do a fdisk /mbr to get > lilo off the hard drive. (The is an option to remove it, but I can't remember > what it is without looking at lilo --help) > > - -- > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org > "We can learn much more from wise words, little > from wisecracks and less from wise guys." > - --William Arthur Ward > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAjvWy1kACgkQ/PFCAPL3hQOlKQCfWvii4WFCaHuBgjttJ9EYsVnB > GLIAnjCssKWcywuA3FaAXr/GwRBX0X2M > =xOyL > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From ssinn at qwest.net Wed Oct 24 10:23:00 2001 From: ssinn at qwest.net (Spencer J Sinn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] file permissions In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 09:29:45PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20011024094740.B2034@thor> On my home machine, I always make my logfiles in /var/log, group readable for wheel. This eliminates the headache of having to su as root every time I want to look at a log file. If you are not comfortable having *all* your logs readable, you can just set your perms accordingly. On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 09:29:45PM -0500, Timothy Wilson wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I was adding a script to /etc/cron.daily today and I noticed that the > stock scripts in there have their permissions set to 755. That seems strange > to me. And while I'm at it, what should the perms be on log files in > /var/log/? > > -Tim -- Thanks, Spencer J Sinn From esper at sherohman.org Wed Oct 24 10:26:01 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Partition sizes In-Reply-To: <20011023195056.A14139@flanders.digsol.net>; from marc@ds6.net on Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 07:50:56PM -0500 References: <3BD55582.2080602@mninter.net> <20011023115748.A9762@real-time.com> <20011023171658.A13967@flanders.digsol.net> <20011023190120.D24678@beaver.iucha.org> <20011023195056.A14139@flanders.digsol.net> Message-ID: <20011024095326.A17524@sherohman.org> On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 07:50:56PM -0500, Marc A. Ohmann wrote: > > > Some older instalations require /usr to be on / for access during boot but I don't think any current dist requires this. > > > > No way /usr is required. > > > I have /usr on a separate partition with debian, slack8.0 and various slack7's who requires it? Maybe you can clarify why it would be required? What gets used from /usr before everything is mounted? Based on context, I'd say that the previous respondent meant "There is no way that /usr would be required." It is one of the most common directories to be put on a separate partition, right up there with /home and /var, for two reasons: Mounting it read-only is good for security and, since it only changes very rarely, it can be placed on an infrequent backup cycle. (If you put /usr/local on a separate partition and keep your installation media, you shouldn't need to backup /usr at all. In theory, at least.) According to FHS, all binaries needed to boot the system go into /bin or /sbin and all essential libraries belong in /lib. Configuration files go in /etc. Those four directories should (IIRC) be the only things that are required to be on the root partition. (Well, and mount points for everything else, but that doesn't really count.) -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Mr. Slippery From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Oct 24 10:41:01 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] AMD Extreme Performance Project Message-ID: Did anyone else go down to the Mall of America parking lot and win an Athlon XP processor, heatsink, fan, and mainboard this morning? From veldy at veldy.net Wed Oct 24 10:48:53 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] AMD Extreme Performance Project References: Message-ID: <006e01c15c9e$bffd20f0$3028680a@tgt.com> Hmm? I am listening :) Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troy.A Johnson" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 10:07 AM Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] AMD Extreme Performance Project > Did anyone else go down to the Mall of America parking lot > and win an Athlon XP processor, heatsink, fan, and > mainboard this morning? > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From erikh at headwaterssoftware.com Wed Oct 24 10:52:01 2001 From: erikh at headwaterssoftware.com (Erik Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] AMD Extreme Performance Project In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I went, but I did not win. Not even a t-shirt. :( -Erik -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Troy.A Johnson Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 10:07 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] AMD Extreme Performance Project Did anyone else go down to the Mall of America parking lot and win an Athlon XP processor, heatsink, fan, and mainboard this morning? _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.282 / Virus Database: 150 - Release Date: 9/25/2001 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.282 / Virus Database: 150 - Release Date: 9/25/2001 From hvidsl at parknicollet.com Wed Oct 24 11:05:34 2001 From: hvidsl at parknicollet.com (Hvidsten, Leif) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] AMD Extreme Performance Project Message-ID: Tried to....slept through the darned alarm. Does anyone know about how many were there? I know they were giving away 200 processors at the first 5 stops but now are only giving away 50 processors at the second batch of 15 cities. > -----Original Message----- > From: Erik Hanson [mailto:erikh@headwaterssoftware.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 10:22 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] [OT] AMD Extreme Performance Project > > > I went, but I did not win. Not even a t-shirt. :( > -Erik > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Troy.A Johnson > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 10:07 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] AMD Extreme Performance Project > > > Did anyone else go down to the Mall of America parking lot > and win an Athlon XP processor, heatsink, fan, and > mainboard this morning? > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.282 / Virus Database: 150 - Release Date: 9/25/2001 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.282 / Virus Database: 150 - Release Date: 9/25/2001 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > PRIVACY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain business confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If this e-mail was not intended for you, please notify the sender by reply e-mail that you received this in error. Destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. From florin at iucha.net Wed Oct 24 11:08:01 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need to fdisk linux drive In-Reply-To: <021d01c15c96$14513280$0238dccc@hutchtel.net>; from ray@lctn.k12.mn.us on Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 09:13:39AM -0500 References: <020301c15c87$529ee550$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> <20011024140830.64D5245BF@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> <021d01c15c96$14513280$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> Message-ID: <20011024103516.B23120@beaver.iucha.org> On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 09:13:39AM -0500, Raymond Norton wrote: > How can I create a linux bootdisk with druid or fdisk capability? I can't > really boot to the drive and fdisk it while mounted, can I? Boot with any linux installation floppies/cdrom. If fdisk is confused, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ bs=1k count=100 will do the trick. WARNING: this will destroy all the partitions on the said drive! florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011024/85b734d2/attachment.pgp From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Oct 24 11:15:42 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] AMD Extreme Performance Project In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > Did anyone else go down to the Mall of America parking lot > and win an Athlon XP processor, heatsink, fan, and > mainboard this morning? No, I'm usually the one who finds out about it AFTER the fact (like right now). Had I known, I probably would've gone. I like AMD and free stuff is always good. From jaredburns at acm.org Wed Oct 24 11:48:40 2001 From: jaredburns at acm.org (Jared Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] AMD Extreme Performance Project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01102411022900.01804@radiohead.min.oti.com> It really hurts that this was only mentioned after the fact. :( - Jared On Wed-24-10-01 10:37 am, you wrote: > On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > > Did anyone else go down to the Mall of America parking lot > > and win an Athlon XP processor, heatsink, fan, and > > mainboard this morning? > > No, I'm usually the one who finds out about it AFTER the fact (like right > now). Had I known, I probably would've gone. I like AMD and free stuff > is always good. > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hvidsl at parknicollet.com Wed Oct 24 11:59:05 2001 From: hvidsl at parknicollet.com (Hvidsten, Leif) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] AMD Extreme Performance Project Message-ID: You can still enter online. http://www.xppcentral.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian [mailto:lxy@cloudnet.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 10:38 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [OT] AMD Extreme Performance Project > > > On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > > > Did anyone else go down to the Mall of America parking lot > > and win an Athlon XP processor, heatsink, fan, and > > mainboard this morning? > > No, I'm usually the one who finds out about it AFTER the fact > (like right > now). Had I known, I probably would've gone. I like AMD and > free stuff > is always good. > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > PRIVACY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain business confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If this e-mail was not intended for you, please notify the sender by reply e-mail that you received this in error. Destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. From tanner at real-time.com Wed Oct 24 12:05:31 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Quarterly Question: Java IDE for linux? In-Reply-To: <20011023190537.E24678@beaver.iucha.org>; from florin@iucha.net on Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 07:05:37PM -0500 References: <20011023174827.H25210@real-time.com> <20011023190537.E24678@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20011024111330.E9615@real-time.com> Quoting Florin Iucha (florin@iucha.net): > Still reading? > > Both vim and emacs just released major versions lately... > > Now really... I have tried a bunch and everytime came back to vim... I'm using emacs. What what I'm trying to get is an integrated debugger. Jswat worked great until the latest version now it won't even run under Linux and the author says it's Linux VM bug. Tracking it down, it's just a plain bug, but it sucks when people teams of developers are anti-linux. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Oct 24 12:07:51 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] More specific info on lost linux-kernel archives Message-ID: <20011024112043.G9615@real-time.com> Here are is more specific info on what I'm missing or is corrupt in the linux-kernel mailing list. I need March-2001 to Sept-2001, it will duplicate some posts, but I think that is ok. Here is how the articles got lost. I went to change the archives from monthly to weekly, you can see pipermail started the coversion here: http://mailman.real-time.com/pipermail/linux-kernel/ Problem is pipermail died in the middle of the process and corrupt a large chunck of the mbox file. Anyone able to help list/archive/lug out? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Oct 24 12:14:12 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Quarterly Question: Java IDE for linux? In-Reply-To: <0def354510318a1FE4@mail4.mn.rr.com>; from jaredburns@acm.org on Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 10:52:55PM -0400 References: <3BD61640.8040402@uswest.net> <0def354510318a1FE4@mail4.mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <20011024111450.F9615@real-time.com> Quoting Jared Burns (jaredburns@acm.org): > For more information on Eclipse, feel free to check out > www.eclipsecorner.org. Many areas of the site (the newsgroup and download > area, unfortunately) currently require a password (which can be obtained > through IBM if you or your company is really interested in Eclipse), but that > will be changing. Integrated debugger? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From fertch at mninter.net Wed Oct 24 12:16:35 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba issues Message-ID: <3BD6A312.2060704@mninter.net> Okay, this one really blows me away. I have no idea what's causing, although my thoughts are that it's a difference between 98 and Win2k. I have a box running samba 2.0.6, which authenticates to the NT domain. It also has domain level security. One of the samba users can connect, see all of the directories at the base level. Or, all samba shares. When he accesses directories other than his home directory, he can see files/directories inside of the shares. He can do whatever his permissions allow him to. However, in his home directory, he cannot see the subdirs nor any files. Cannot write, read, exec anything. He's running Win98 on a laptop. On my Win2k system, I can see everything I'm supposed to. When I connect as the other user, and map to his home directory we can see the things that he cannot on 98. All files permissions are set correctly on the *nix box. All patches, updates, etc have been loaded on his 98 system. Is this a samba issue, or an issue with the 98 system? I am thinking that it's the difference between 98 and 2k as 9x machines don't have the networking (ha!) capability that Win2k/NT have. On a side note, as to security with samba. If a user creates a link to / within their home directory, it allows them to have access to see all the files. If perms are set right, this would prevent them from exploiting this? Thanks. Shawn From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Oct 24 12:20:02 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [OT] AMD Extreme Performance Project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011024113814.Y2013@ringworld.org> * Troy.A Johnson [011024 10:14]: > Did anyone else go down to the Mall of America parking lot > and win an Athlon XP processor, heatsink, fan, and > mainboard this morning? Bastards didn't email me like they said they would. Fucking AMD. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Just say NO to Product Activation! From veldy at veldy.net Wed Oct 24 13:15:01 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] AMD Extreme Performance Project References: Message-ID: <00f801c15cb3$7e0f5540$3028680a@tgt.com> That is cool!!! And all five correct too! Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hvidsten, Leif" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 10:54 AM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] [OT] AMD Extreme Performance Project > You can still enter online. > > http://www.xppcentral.com/ > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Brian [mailto:lxy@cloudnet.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 10:38 AM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [OT] AMD Extreme Performance Project > > > > > > On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > > > > > Did anyone else go down to the Mall of America parking lot > > > and win an Athlon XP processor, heatsink, fan, and > > > mainboard this morning? > > > > No, I'm usually the one who finds out about it AFTER the fact > > (like right > > now). Had I known, I probably would've gone. I like AMD and > > free stuff > > is always good. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > PRIVACY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the > sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain business confidential > and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or > distribution is prohibited. If this e-mail was not intended for you, please > notify the sender by reply e-mail that you received this in error. Destroy > all copies of the original message and attachments. > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dmblevins at mediaone.net Wed Oct 24 13:46:59 2001 From: dmblevins at mediaone.net (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Quarterly Question: Java IDE for linux? In-Reply-To: <20011024111450.F9615@real-time.com> Message-ID: Just noticed this thread. The editor I use for Java and everything else is Visual Slick edit (www.slickedit.com). They support twelve platforms http://www.slickedit.com/purchase/pu_systemreq.php. Linux is of course one of them. When I was at JavaOne a few years ago a guy from IBM showed it to me -- I went straight out and bought it. It's so feature rich its amazing. Its a "get out of my way" kind of editor. The features I use (mind you, these are not the coolest features, just the ones I use daily) *****Find and Replace****** -- supports three styles of regular expressions with back references and everything -- has a "preserve case" option so if you want to replace many occurrences of 'session' with 'entity', but 'session' occurs in both class names as "SessionBean" and in variables as "sessionBean". You simply find 'session' and replace with 'entity', check the "preserve case" option and where 'session' is capitalized 'entity' will replace it using the same capitalization format. -- You can find and replace on multiple files at the same time. Equivalent to: find ./ -name "*.java" -exec perl -pie 's/oldString/newString/g' {} \; *****Editing***** --Has tab completion!!!! This works for any file, including your own, that has been added to Visual SlickEdit. Right of the bat it asks you to show it where the JDK source is, it then parses all the files and can now provide you API help as you type (can be disabled) and tab completion in method names, constructors, and variables accessible from your class. As mentioned, this works exactly the same with your own java files. --Click on a method, variable, or class and say "Go to Definition" and it will bring you to the source code of the class where it was defined. --Supports Block Selecting, i.e. selecting code by the column and row rather than line by line. --Has an enumerate function. Select a part of you document that you wish to sequentially fill with numbers, tell it what number to start with, whether or not to pad the number, what to increment by, and it will fill the selection with your series of numbers. --A Beatify Source function, customizable. --A Sort function, really useful for sorting import statements. --Spell checker, spell check your selection, strings only, comments only, etc. --JavaDoc editor with preview, etc. --An excellent diff/merge tool. --You pick the editor style you like, CUA, vi, GNU emacs, etc. You can change it anytime you like. --Supports a ton of languages; Bourne Shell, C, C Shell, HTML, IDL, Intel Assembly, Java, JavaScript, Pascal, Perl, PHP, etc. You can even add languages and define its key words, color coding, comment style, etc. *****Customizing****** --Supports aliases for code you type all the time. For example, if you are sick of typing "System.out.println();", you could give that code an alias like 'sout'. Then when you type 'sout' and hit the space bar, 'System.out.println();' appears in place of 'sout'. --Aliases can also use variables and prompt for parameters. For example, the code for iterating through an array in the standard 'i++' fashion is identical, except for the name of the array. So, I created an alias 'fori' that takes the array variable name as a parameter. When I type 'fori' and hit CTRL+SPACE, it asks me for the array name, then I get: for (int i=0; i < myArray.length; i++){ myArray[i] } -- Anything that can be executed at the command line can be added as a menu item. I use this to execute Ant (an building tool like make) from within SlickEdit. The more you use it the more you think of great ways to use the features to save you time and make easy things automatic. Before SlickEdit I used VisualCafe, I'm never going back. You can download it for a demo at their website. Happy coding! David Blevins --- OpenEJB - EJB Container System www.openejb.org ftp.exolab.org/pub/openejb/ > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Bob Tanner > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 11:15 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Quarterly Question: Java IDE for linux? > > > Quoting Jared Burns (jaredburns@acm.org): > > For more information on Eclipse, feel free to check out > > www.eclipsecorner.org. Many areas of the site (the newsgroup > and download > > area, unfortunately) currently require a password (which can be > obtained > > through IBM if you or your company is really interested in > Eclipse), but that > > will be changing. > > Integrated debugger? > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From marc at ds6.net Wed Oct 24 14:03:03 2001 From: marc at ds6.net (Marc A. Ohmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Partition sizes In-Reply-To: <20011024095326.A17524@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 09:53:26AM -0500 References: <3BD55582.2080602@mninter.net> <20011023115748.A9762@real-time.com> <20011023171658.A13967@flanders.digsol.net> <20011023190120.D24678@beaver.iucha.org> <20011023195056.A14139@flanders.digsol.net> <20011024095326.A17524@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20011024132835.A15406@flanders.digsol.net> > Based on context, I'd say that the previous respondent meant "There > is no way that /usr would be required." It is one of the most common > directories to be put on a separate partition, right up there with > /home and /var, for two reasons: Mounting it read-only is good for > security and, since it only changes very rarely, it can be placed on > an infrequent backup cycle. (If you put /usr/local on a separate > partition and keep your installation media, you shouldn't need to > backup /usr at all. In theory, at least.) That would make more sense then. I thought for sure that years ago I read /usr shoud be on / but my memory does seem to fail me. I never understood why and onetime I installed without it and everything worked fine. I have to say that directories have always been the most confusing aspect to a linux install for me. When I was really new I never understood why some things were here and others were there. Then to make things worse if you switch dists everything changed. i.e. Patrick has always said that /opt is the standard place for optional software but everyone else seems to use /usr/local. I don't know what I would do without find :-) -- Marc A. Ohmann Digital Solutions, Inc http://ds6.net marc@ds6.net From kremer at ringworld.org Wed Oct 24 14:05:43 2001 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 8.1 not mounting file system In-Reply-To: <200110202013.f9KKDNx02215@enchanter.real-time.com> Message-ID: I just redid my windows partition on my laptop and i had LILO in the mbr. I booted with the mandrake install cdrom in rescue mode and reinstalled LILO and now when mandrake loads i get "missing file or directory" everywhere. The fstab looks alright. Any ideas? From jstauffer at baldwin-telecom.net Wed Oct 24 14:21:34 2001 From: jstauffer at baldwin-telecom.net (James Stauffer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Quarterly Question: Java IDE for linux? References: Message-ID: <3BD70DB8.2D04C16@baldwin-telecom.net> The thing that I have about most Java IDEs is that they are pigs (disk and memory). My preferred IDE (Win) is Source Insight (http://www.sourceInsight.com/) but it looks like it is similar to Slick Edit (which I have never used). I currently develop on Win but when I can move to Linux it looks like I will have to check it out. Does anyone else use SI? David Blevins wrote: > > Just noticed this thread. > > The editor I use for Java and everything else is Visual Slick edit > (www.slickedit.com). They support twelve platforms > http://www.slickedit.com/purchase/pu_systemreq.php. Linux is of course one > of them. > > When I was at JavaOne a few years ago a guy from IBM showed it to me -- I > went straight out and bought it. > > It's so feature rich its amazing. Its a "get out of my way" kind of editor. > > The features I use (mind you, these are not the coolest features, just the > ones I use daily) > > *****Find and Replace****** > > -- supports three styles of regular expressions with back references and > everything > > -- has a "preserve case" option so if you want to replace many occurrences > of 'session' with 'entity', but 'session' occurs in both class names as > "SessionBean" and in variables as "sessionBean". You simply find 'session' > and replace with 'entity', check the "preserve case" option and where > 'session' is capitalized 'entity' will replace it using the same > capitalization format. > > -- You can find and replace on multiple files at the same time. Equivalent > to: > find ./ -name "*.java" -exec perl -pie 's/oldString/newString/g' {} \; > > *****Editing***** > > --Has tab completion!!!! This works for any file, including your own, that > has been added to Visual SlickEdit. Right of the bat it asks you to show it > where the JDK source is, it then parses all the files and can now provide > you API help as you type (can be disabled) and tab completion in method > names, constructors, and variables accessible from your class. As > mentioned, this works exactly the same with your own java files. > > --Click on a method, variable, or class and say "Go to Definition" and it > will bring you to the source code of the class where it was defined. > > --Supports Block Selecting, i.e. selecting code by the column and row rather > than line by line. > > --Has an enumerate function. Select a part of you document that you wish to > sequentially fill with numbers, tell it what number to start with, whether > or not to pad the number, what to increment by, and it will fill the > selection with your series of numbers. > > --A Beatify Source function, customizable. > > --A Sort function, really useful for sorting import statements. > > --Spell checker, spell check your selection, strings only, comments only, > etc. > > --JavaDoc editor with preview, etc. > > --An excellent diff/merge tool. > > --You pick the editor style you like, CUA, vi, GNU emacs, etc. You can > change it anytime you like. > > --Supports a ton of languages; Bourne Shell, C, C Shell, HTML, IDL, Intel > Assembly, Java, JavaScript, Pascal, Perl, PHP, etc. You can even add > languages and define its key words, color coding, comment style, etc. > > *****Customizing****** > > --Supports aliases for code you type all the time. For example, if you are > sick of typing "System.out.println();", you could give that code an alias > like 'sout'. Then when you type 'sout' and hit the space bar, > 'System.out.println();' appears in place of 'sout'. > > --Aliases can also use variables and prompt for parameters. For example, > the code for iterating through an array in the standard 'i++' fashion is > identical, except for the name of the array. So, I created an alias 'fori' > that takes the array variable name as a parameter. When I type 'fori' and > hit CTRL+SPACE, it asks me for the array name, then I get: > for (int i=0; i < myArray.length; i++){ > myArray[i] > } > > -- Anything that can be executed at the command line can be added as a menu > item. I use this to execute Ant (an building tool like make) from within > SlickEdit. > > The more you use it the more you think of great ways to use the features to > save you time and make easy things automatic. Before SlickEdit I used > VisualCafe, I'm never going back. > > You can download it for a demo at their website. > > Happy coding! > > David Blevins > --- > OpenEJB - EJB Container System > www.openejb.org > ftp.exolab.org/pub/openejb/ > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Bob Tanner > > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 11:15 AM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Quarterly Question: Java IDE for linux? > > > > > > Quoting Jared Burns (jaredburns@acm.org): > > > For more information on Eclipse, feel free to check out > > > www.eclipsecorner.org. Many areas of the site (the newsgroup > > and download > > > area, unfortunately) currently require a password (which can be > > obtained > > > through IBM if you or your company is really interested in > > Eclipse), but that > > > will be changing. > > > > Integrated debugger? > > -- > > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From fertch at mninter.net Wed Oct 24 14:52:01 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Partition sizes References: <3BD55582.2080602@mninter.net> <20011023115748.A9762@real-time.com> <20011023171658.A13967@flanders.digsol.net> <20011023190120.D24678@beaver.iucha.org> <20011023195056.A14139@flanders.digsol.net> <20011024095326.A17524@sherohman.org> <20011024132835.A15406@flanders.digsol.net> Message-ID: <3BD6CDBF.9000309@mninter.net> Wow, even on partition sizes there's a lot of variances. I'll continue to play around with the sizes a little. I was looking at keeping one of my 200MB HDD's for file sharing and web stuff once I get my website up. I'll try out the various key combos and see if one of them works. I believe it's an older award bios, but I can't say for certain. Shawn From jaredburns at acm.org Wed Oct 24 14:59:02 2001 From: jaredburns at acm.org (Jared Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Quarterly Question: Java IDE for linux? In-Reply-To: <3BD70DB8.2D04C16@baldwin-telecom.net> References: <3BD70DB8.2D04C16@baldwin-telecom.net> Message-ID: <01102414220002.01804@radiohead.min.oti.com> >?1. Without asking you to break any commitments: does near future means 6 >?mos? Our goal is before the end of the year. >?2. How speedy it is on a reasonable devel machine? Like 500 MHz x86 CPU >?with >?plenty of RAM? Or on a 350 MHz SPARC? Performance on small to moderate applications is acceptable on a machine of that caliber (I worked on a 500 MHz machine for about a week while mine was in the shop). Performance continues to improve. >?3. How good is the class browser? To some degree, the quality of a class browser is a matter of taste. I like Eclipse's very much. >?4. Support for key bindings? Support for VI emulation? Not yet. >?5. Tags support? I mean put the cursor over a word and type and >?you jump to the definition. Yes. >?6. Autocompletion? Yes. >?7. diff/patch support? Not yet. >?8. Plugins for RCS/CVS/Subversion/ClearCase? Eclipse currently ships with a CVS plugin. >?9. >? ? ? ?Compilable with gcj to native code? >? ? Not yet. Noted though. :) Thanks for the feedback, - Jared From jaredburns at acm.org Wed Oct 24 15:00:40 2001 From: jaredburns at acm.org (Jared Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Quarterly Question: Java IDE for linux? In-Reply-To: <20011024111450.F9615@real-time.com> References: <3BD61640.8040402@uswest.net> <0def354510318a1FE4@mail4.mn.rr.com> <20011024111450.F9615@real-time.com> Message-ID: <01102414242403.01804@radiohead.min.oti.com> Yep. I'm on the debug team in fact. - Jared On Wed-24-10-01 11:14 am, you wrote: > Quoting Jared Burns (jaredburns@acm.org): > > For more information on Eclipse, feel free to check out > > www.eclipsecorner.org. Many areas of the site (the newsgroup and download > > area, unfortunately) currently require a password (which can be obtained > > through IBM if you or your company is really interested in Eclipse), but > > that will be changing. > > Integrated debugger? From kremer at ringworld.org Wed Oct 24 15:24:12 2001 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 8.1 not mounting file system In-Reply-To: Message-ID: never mind. that was a question from a co-worker. he was SURE that his fstab was accurate...it wasn't. From homebrewmike at yahoo.com Wed Oct 24 17:20:02 2001 From: homebrewmike at yahoo.com (Mike White) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Quarterly Question: Java IDE for linux? Message-ID: <20011024145941.72459.qmail@web10202.mail.yahoo.com> > Any improvement in the Java IDE category for > linux since April? Not sure what was said in April, but I like Net Beans. www.netbeans.org Pretty easy to get going, and quite extensible. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Oct 24 17:42:01 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Increasing program startup times Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE050@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Does anyone know if there is a way to make a program start faster? I'm constantly spawning off some processes, and they are taking about 150ms to start. I need to get that down to about 50ms so the server can keep up. Would the pre-emptive kernel patches help here? Jay From tanner at real-time.com Wed Oct 24 17:49:49 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fwd: "Hackers Beware" On The Road Message-ID: <20011024171414.B26119@real-time.com> Could we get a nice (free) place at the UofM(?) for this presentation? If the cost is $650 for unlimited number of people :-), who would be interested in by like $10-$15 to hear this speaker? ----- Forwarded message from The SANS Institute ----- > Hello, I'm Stephen Northcutt from the SANS Institute. Extensive > damage caused by CodeRed and Nimda illustrate the impact hacker > tools can have on a network. The damage also shows how ineffective > most organizations' defenses are against hackers. System, network, > and security administrators have discovered they need to understand > how these attacks work and how to defend against them. > > One of SANS most popular instructors, Eric Cole, has agreed to > present a special class that highlights the key hacker exploits and > defenses from his incredibly successful new book, "Hackers Beware." > This one-day course was the highest scoring offering at Network > Security 2001 in San Diego last week. The inaugural offering of this > on-the-road training opportunity will be in Washington DC, November > 28, 2001 in conjunction with the CDI East Conference. The description > of this course can be found at: http://www.sans.org/HackersBeware.htm > > We will run this class in several other cities, wherever the > greatest interest is expressed. If you are interested in attending, > or sending your people drop us a note at hackersbeware@sans.org. > Sending us an email is not the same as registering, you will still > have to register after we set the schedule. However, if you are > interested in having Hackers Beware taught in your city, tell us your > name and your organization's name, the city (and convenient dates) you > would want to attend, and the number of people from your organization > who will definitely come, the number who will probably come, and the > number who may possibly come. The price is $650 and if four or more > people come from your organization, there is a discount. > > If we have enough interest, we will run the courses in the city > you recommend. Please let us know by 10/31/2001 > > Regards, > Stephen Northcutt - The SANS Institute > > > PS. Eric is the top rated instructor of hacker exploits in the > country. If you haven't experienced SANS' extraordinary teachers, > perhaps these comments from some of his students in San Diego, will > give you a better picture of how good it is. > > > "Outstanding course! Anyone working in the field or just interested > in knowing how hacker think, why they hack, and how easy it is to > hack and protect systems from intrusion need to take this course. > The best instructor yet!" > - Bobbie Brady- 21st Theater Support Command. > > > "Eric is an excellent speaker and can relate his own personal > experiences to the issues he is teaching. A very valuable combination > when teaching computer security." > - Russell Morrison-AXYS > > > "Very valuable content enabling the good guys to better know the > enemy in order to defend against them." > - Gary Rose-WAMS > ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From fish at slava.net Wed Oct 24 17:58:11 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fwd: "Hackers Beware" On The Road References: <20011024171414.B26119@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3BD73F51.9000805@slava.net> This interests me. Bob Tanner wrote: >Could we get a nice (free) place at the UofM(?) for this presentation? > >If the cost is $650 for unlimited number of people :-), who would be interested >in by like $10-$15 to hear this speaker? > > >----- Forwarded message from The SANS Institute ----- > >>Hello, I'm Stephen Northcutt from the SANS Institute. Blah blah. >> From tanner at real-time.com Wed Oct 24 18:04:17 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Increasing program startup times In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE050@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 05:11:37PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE050@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011024173154.C26119@real-time.com> Quoting Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com): > Does anyone know if there is a way to make a program start faster? I'm > constantly spawning off some processes, and they are taking about 150ms to > start. I need to get that down to about 50ms so the server can keep up. > > Would the pre-emptive kernel patches help here? Does linux support the stick-bit on binaries to keep it in memory no matter what? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From esper at sherohman.org Wed Oct 24 18:05:50 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fwd: "Hackers Beware" On The Road In-Reply-To: <20011024171414.B26119@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 05:14:14PM -0500 References: <20011024171414.B26119@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011024173252.D17524@sherohman.org> On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 05:14:14PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Could we get a nice (free) place at the UofM(?) for this presentation? > > If the cost is $650 for unlimited number of people :-), who would be interested > in by like $10-$15 to hear this speaker? > > number who may possibly come. The price is $650 and if four or more > > people come from your organization, there is a discount. Could be interesting, but I read that as $650 a head. Why would they give a discount for larger groups otherwise? -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Mr. Slippery From uak at nerp.net Wed Oct 24 18:07:19 2001 From: uak at nerp.net (Ursula A. Kallio) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fwd: "Hackers Beware" On The Road In-Reply-To: <3BD73F51.9000805@slava.net> Message-ID: > >>Hello, I'm Stephen Northcutt from the SANS Institute. Blah blah. I will attend. uak From erikh at fisdap.net Wed Oct 24 18:09:07 2001 From: erikh at fisdap.net (Erik Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fwd: "Hackers Beware" On The Road Message-ID: <00bd01c15cda$38c44fa0$2000a8c0@kili.mediaone.net> I would be interested as well. -Erik -----Original Message----- From: Bob Tanner To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Date: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 4:08 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Fwd: "Hackers Beware" On The Road >Could we get a nice (free) place at the UofM(?) for this presentation? > >If the cost is $650 for unlimited number of people :-), who would be interested >in by like $10-$15 to hear this speaker? > > >----- Forwarded message from The SANS Institute ----- >> Hello, I'm Stephen Northcutt from the SANS Institute. Extensive >> damage caused by CodeRed and Nimda illustrate the impact hacker >> tools can have on a network. The damage also shows how ineffective >> most organizations' defenses are against hackers. System, network, >> and security administrators have discovered they need to understand >> how these attacks work and how to defend against them. >> >> One of SANS most popular instructors, Eric Cole, has agreed to >> present a special class that highlights the key hacker exploits and >> defenses from his incredibly successful new book, "Hackers Beware." >> This one-day course was the highest scoring offering at Network >> Security 2001 in San Diego last week. The inaugural offering of this >> on-the-road training opportunity will be in Washington DC, November >> 28, 2001 in conjunction with the CDI East Conference. The description >> of this course can be found at: http://www.sans.org/HackersBeware.htm >> >> We will run this class in several other cities, wherever the >> greatest interest is expressed. If you are interested in attending, >> or sending your people drop us a note at hackersbeware@sans.org. >> Sending us an email is not the same as registering, you will still >> have to register after we set the schedule. However, if you are >> interested in having Hackers Beware taught in your city, tell us your >> name and your organization's name, the city (and convenient dates) you >> would want to attend, and the number of people from your organization >> who will definitely come, the number who will probably come, and the >> number who may possibly come. The price is $650 and if four or more >> people come from your organization, there is a discount. >> >> If we have enough interest, we will run the courses in the city >> you recommend. Please let us know by 10/31/2001 >> >> Regards, >> Stephen Northcutt - The SANS Institute >> >> >> PS. Eric is the top rated instructor of hacker exploits in the >> country. If you haven't experienced SANS' extraordinary teachers, >> perhaps these comments from some of his students in San Diego, will >> give you a better picture of how good it is. >> >> >> "Outstanding course! Anyone working in the field or just interested >> in knowing how hacker think, why they hack, and how easy it is to >> hack and protect systems from intrusion need to take this course. >> The best instructor yet!" >> - Bobbie Brady- 21st Theater Support Command. >> >> >> "Eric is an excellent speaker and can relate his own personal >> experiences to the issues he is teaching. A very valuable combination >> when teaching computer security." >> - Russell Morrison-AXYS >> >> >> "Very valuable content enabling the good guys to better know the >> enemy in order to defend against them." >> - Gary Rose-WAMS >> > >----- End forwarded message ----- > >-- >Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 >http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 >Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Wed Oct 24 18:29:01 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fwd: "Hackers Beware" On The Road In-Reply-To: <20011024173252.D17524@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 05:32:52PM -0500 References: <20011024171414.B26119@real-time.com> <20011024173252.D17524@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20011024175852.G26119@real-time.com> Quoting Dave Sherohman (esper@sherohman.org): > On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 05:14:14PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > Could we get a nice (free) place at the UofM(?) for this presentation? > > > > If the cost is $650 for unlimited number of people :-), who would be interested > > in by like $10-$15 to hear this speaker? > > > > number who may possibly come. The price is $650 and if four or more > > > people come from your organization, there is a discount. > > Could be interesting, but I read that as $650 a head. Why would they > give a discount for larger groups otherwise? > Anyone else read it that way? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Oct 24 18:32:01 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Increasing program startup times In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE050@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE050@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011024180103.356f65a9.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > Does anyone know if there is a way to make a program start faster? I'm > constantly spawning off some processes, and they are taking about 150ms > to start. I need to get that down to about 50ms so the server can keep > up. I think the kernel probably already has facilities by which you can speed things up, though they probably require some different programming practices. If you're talking about some closed-source program, or something that's just too big to mess with, these ideas probably aren't the greatest.. If you don't have to load new processes, don't. While lots of services seem to be of the spawn-serve-die variety (spawned on a new connection, serve the data, terminate), I don't think there would be a problem if the daemon could be more persistent and keep running after a connection has terminated, staying ready for new connections. New processes would only have to be spawned if all of the current ones were busy. There's also the possibility of using threads instead of separate processes. I've heard that the cost of spawning a new thread on Linux is not a whole lot more than that of making a library function call. Programming with threads can be confusing, though.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I lost a button hole / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ today. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011024/3ad30c57/attachment.pgp From florin at iucha.net Wed Oct 24 18:36:00 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Quarterly Question: Java IDE for linux? In-Reply-To: <01102414220002.01804@radiohead.min.oti.com>; from jaredburns@acm.org on Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 02:22:00PM -0500 References: <3BD70DB8.2D04C16@baldwin-telecom.net> <01102414220002.01804@radiohead.min.oti.com> Message-ID: <20011024180552.C23120@beaver.iucha.org> Thanks for your answers. I will surely play with it when you "ship" it. florin On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 02:22:00PM -0500, Jared Burns wrote: > >?1. Without asking you to break any commitments: does near future means 6 > >?mos? > > Our goal is before the end of the year. > > >?2. How speedy it is on a reasonable devel machine? Like 500 MHz x86 CPU > >?with > >?plenty of RAM? Or on a 350 MHz SPARC? > > Performance on small to moderate applications is acceptable on a machine of > that caliber (I worked on a 500 MHz machine for about a week while mine was > in the shop). Performance continues to improve. > > >?3. How good is the class browser? > > To some degree, the quality of a class browser is a matter of taste. I like > Eclipse's very much. > > >?4. Support for key bindings? Support for VI emulation? > > Not yet. > > >?5. Tags support? I mean put the cursor over a word and type and > >?you jump to the definition. > > Yes. > > >?6. Autocompletion? > > Yes. > > >?7. diff/patch support? > > Not yet. > > >?8. Plugins for RCS/CVS/Subversion/ClearCase? > > Eclipse currently ships with a CVS plugin. > > >?9. > >? ? ? ?Compilable with gcj to native code? > >? ? > > Not yet. Noted though. :) > > Thanks for the feedback, > - Jared -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011024/fa34bb14/attachment.pgp From fish at slava.net Wed Oct 24 18:38:41 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fwd: "Hackers Beware" On The Road References: <20011024171414.B26119@real-time.com> <20011024173252.D17524@sherohman.org> <20011024175852.G26119@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3BD748CE.1010807@slava.net> Bob Tanner wrote: >Quoting Dave Sherohman (esper@sherohman.org): > >>>>number who may possibly come. The price is $650 and if four or more >>>>people come from your organization, there is a discount. >>>> >>Could be interesting, but I read that as $650 a head. Why would they >>give a discount for larger groups otherwise? >> > >Anyone else read it that way? > It sounds to me like they expect the "organization" to pay, because presumably the organization would benefit from its employees/members having the information. Lorry From chrome at real-time.com Wed Oct 24 18:40:35 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Partition sizes In-Reply-To: <20011024132835.A15406@flanders.digsol.net>; from marc@ds6.net on Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 01:28:35PM -0500 References: <3BD55582.2080602@mninter.net> <20011023115748.A9762@real-time.com> <20011023171658.A13967@flanders.digsol.net> <20011023190120.D24678@beaver.iucha.org> <20011023195056.A14139@flanders.digsol.net> <20011024095326.A17524@sherohman.org> <20011024132835.A15406@flanders.digsol.net> Message-ID: <20011024180642.A32458@real-time.com> > That would make more sense then. I thought for sure that years ago I read > /usr shoud be on / but my memory does seem to fail me. I never understood > why and onetime I installed without it and everything worked fine. in theory, you should be able to mount a shared /usr partition via NFS; saving disk space and admin hassles. as such, you need to be able to boot without it, in case of emergency. > I have to say that directories have always been the most confusing aspect > to a linux install for me. When I was really new I never understood why > some things were here and others were there. Then to make things worse if > you switch dists everything changed. i.e. Patrick has always said that > /opt is the standard place for optional software but everyone else seems > to use /usr/local. If you think Linux is confusing, take a look at Irix or some of the other commercial unices. most Linux distributions clear up a *lot* of filesystem cruft like /opt, /usr/ucb, /usr/tmp, /usr/local, and more. InMyNotSoHumbleOpinion, /opt is a heinous hangover from the commercial unices. I fail to see why it should be separate from the rest of the system software, which is under /usr. if it's 'optional' software that isn't part of the regular distro, why isn't it in /usr/local? or if not there, then why not mixed in with the rest of the stuff in /usr/bin, /usr/sbin, /usr/X11/bin? at least put it under /usr/opt, so it's not taking up space unexpectedly on the / filesystem! one of my main gripes with SuSE is the amount of crap they put under /opt... so if you want to keep your / partition small, you end up having to either install less stuff at first, get to a shell and symlink /opt to /usr/opt, then install the rest; or just make a separate /opt partition and deal with repartitioning space later. in short; /opt is system applications and files, so they ought to go somewhere under /usr like the rest of the system files. > I don't know what I would do without find :-) locate is your friend. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From marc at ds6.net Wed Oct 24 18:54:01 2001 From: marc at ds6.net (Marc A. Ohmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Increasing program startup times In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE050@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 05:11:37PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE050@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011024182342.A15794@flanders.digsol.net> On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 05:11:37PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > Does anyone know if there is a way to make a program start faster? I'm > constantly spawning off some processes, and they are taking about 150ms to > start. I need to get that down to about 50ms so the server can keep up. > > Would the pre-emptive kernel patches help here? > > Jay > check out http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=99618500904021&w=2 it will speedup the startup but will slow down the running -- Marc A. Ohmann Digital Solutions, Inc http://ds6.net marc@ds6.net From josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org Wed Oct 24 18:57:01 2001 From: josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fwd: "Hackers Beware" On The Road In-Reply-To: <20011024175852.G26119@real-time.com> Message-ID: Yes, that's exactly what I thought. While I would love to go to that - I try to do secure hosting for political stuff - it's out of my price range. Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Dave Sherohman (esper@sherohman.org): > > On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 05:14:14PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > Could we get a nice (free) place at the UofM(?) for this presentation? > > > > > > If the cost is $650 for unlimited number of people :-), who would be interested > > > in by like $10-$15 to hear this speaker? > > > > > > number who may possibly come. The price is $650 and if four or more > > > > people come from your organization, there is a discount. > > > > Could be interesting, but I read that as $650 a head. Why would they > > give a discount for larger groups otherwise? > > > > Anyone else read it that way? > > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From sextus at visi.com Wed Oct 24 19:01:01 2001 From: sextus at visi.com (Michael Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fwd: "Hackers Beware" On The Road In-Reply-To: <20011024175852.G26119@real-time.com>; from Bob Tanner on Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 05:58:52PM -0500 References: <20011024171414.B26119@real-time.com> <20011024173252.D17524@sherohman.org> <20011024175852.G26119@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011024183051.A26665@visi.com> ON Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 05:58:52PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Dave Sherohman (esper@sherohman.org): > > On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 05:14:14PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > Could we get a nice (free) place at the UofM(?) for this presentation? > > > > > > If the cost is $650 for unlimited number of people :-), who would be interested > > > in by like $10-$15 to hear this speaker? > > > > > > number who may possibly come. The price is $650 and if four or more > > > > people come from your organization, there is a discount. > > > > Could be interesting, but I read that as $650 a head. Why would they > > give a discount for larger groups otherwise? > > > > Anyone else read it that way? Dave's reading of $650/head is consistent with what I'd expect (my company) to pay for a one-day computer training class. $650 total is consistent with maybe what I'd pay a KISS cover band to play at my bar. -- Michael From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Oct 24 19:08:01 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Increasing program startup times Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE055@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> This probably doesn't apply here. It's a very small C app, which isn't linked against anything. > -----Original Message----- > From: Marc A. Ohmann [mailto:marc@ds6.net] > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 6:24 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Increasing program startup times > > > On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 05:11:37PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > > Does anyone know if there is a way to make a program start faster? > > I'm constantly spawning off some processes, and they are > taking about > > 150ms to start. I need to get that down to about 50ms so > the server > > can keep up. > > > > Would the pre-emptive kernel patches help here? > > > > Jay > > > check out > http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=99618500904021&w=2 it will speedup the startup but will slow down the running -- Marc A. Ohmann Digital Solutions, Inc http://ds6.net marc@ds6.net _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Oct 24 19:08:46 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Directfb -- translucent windows! Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE056@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> http://www.directfb.org Check out the screenshots. This is exactly what I've been waiting for. Apparently, there is a small X server for it also which allows you to run normal X apps, has anyone tried it? I'm wondering if it will make the normal X apps translucent also. Jay From sraun at fireopal.org Wed Oct 24 19:16:01 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Increasing program startup times In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE050@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE050@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011024184230.A19115@iaxs.net> On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 05:11:37PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > Does anyone know if there is a way to make a program start faster? I'm > constantly spawning off some processes, and they are taking about 150ms to > start. I need to get that down to about 50ms so the server can keep up. > > Would the pre-emptive kernel patches help here? So, why do you want to increase the program startup time? ;-) -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Wed Oct 24 19:30:02 2001 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Partition sizes Message-ID: <011024185906.202e0bd9@dcmir.med.umn.edu> >> That would make more sense then. I thought for sure that years ago I read >> /usr shoud be on / but my memory does seem to fail me. I never understood >> why and onetime I installed without it and everything worked fine. > in theory, you should be able to mount a shared /usr partition via >NFS; saving disk space and admin hassles. as such, you need to be able to >boot without it, in case of emergency. I would strongly reccommend against this. NFS is spoofable, so anything which contains OS type material should be local. Yes, it's feasible, but don't do it. I believe this came up a while ago, as well as an explanation of the rationale for the existence of a /usr partition. Should be in the archives. Personally, I prefer having just the one partition. With extra space needed for /tmp and /usr/tmp, putting them together allows both free spaces to be "combined". 2 cents. Ok, maybe 1/2. Ed Hoeffner 1-271 BSBE 312 Church St. SE Mpls, MN 55455 hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu 612-625-2115 612-625-2163 fax From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Oct 24 19:57:01 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Directfb -- translucent windows! Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE059@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> In addition, here's the Xserver for it, no screenshots though: http://www.directfb.org/xdirectfb.xml > -----Original Message----- > From: Austad, Jay [mailto:austad@marketwatch.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 6:36 PM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: [TCLUG] Directfb -- translucent windows! > > > http://www.directfb.org > > Check out the screenshots. This is exactly what I've been > waiting for. Apparently, there is a small X server for it > also which allows you to run normal X apps, has anyone tried > it? I'm wondering if it will make the normal X apps > translucent also. > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From marc at ds6.net Wed Oct 24 20:00:01 2001 From: marc at ds6.net (Marc A. Ohmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Increasing program startup times In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE055@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 06:34:30PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE055@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011024192856.A15955@flanders.digsol.net> On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 06:34:30PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > This probably doesn't apply here. It's a very small C app, which isn't > linked against anything. Actually, its a small c app that modifies the shared object files. You run it on the objects before linking and it reduces the number of symbol lookups. Jakub Jelinek also has a pre-linker which pre-computes the relocations which is supposed to have better run performance but requires special glibc and binutils (quite a pain if you ask me). http://sources.redhat.com/ml/libc-alpha/2001-06/msg00113.html -- Marc A. Ohmann Digital Solutions, Inc http://ds6.net marc@ds6.net From florin at iucha.net Wed Oct 24 20:20:02 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Partition sizes In-Reply-To: <20011024180642.A32458@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 06:06:42PM -0500 References: <3BD55582.2080602@mninter.net> <20011023115748.A9762@real-time.com> <20011023171658.A13967@flanders.digsol.net> <20011023190120.D24678@beaver.iucha.org> <20011023195056.A14139@flanders.digsol.net> <20011024095326.A17524@sherohman.org> <20011024132835.A15406@flanders.digsol.net> <20011024180642.A32458@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011024194940.D23120@beaver.iucha.org> On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 06:06:42PM -0500, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > one of my main gripes with SuSE is the amount of crap they put under > /opt... And a source of pride for the suse followers. Gee KDE in /opt is so COOL :) There is a guy on linuxplanet that never, ever forgets to mention this "feature" of suse. > so if you want to keep your / partition small, you end up having to > either install less stuff at first, get to a shell and symlink /opt to > /usr/opt, then install the rest; or just make a separate /opt partition and > deal with repartitioning space later. > in short; /opt is system applications and files, so they ought to go > somewhere under /usr like the rest of the system files. well... otoh if I put it in /usr/local, it gets my environment variables so much longer :) florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The price is $650 and if four or more > > > > people come from your organization, there is a discount. > > > > Could be interesting, but I read that as $650 a head. Why would they > > give a discount for larger groups otherwise? > > > > Anyone else read it that way? I also read it as meaning $650 a head. A gross of $650 might not even be enough to pay for the plane ticket. Joel From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Oct 25 02:38:01 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fwd: "Hackers Beware" On The Road Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE05B@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> I'm pretty sure that's $650 a head. Most things like this cost about that much per person anyway. -----Original Message----- From: Joel T Schneider [mailto:jts@tc.umn.edu] Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 12:03 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Fwd: "Hackers Beware" On The Road On Wed, 24 Oct 2001 Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Dave Sherohman (esper@sherohman.org): > > On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 05:14:14PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > Could we get a nice (free) place at the UofM(?) for this presentation? > > > > > > If the cost is $650 for unlimited number of people :-), who would be interested > > > in by like $10-$15 to hear this speaker? > > > > > > number who may possibly come. The price is $650 and if four or more > > > > people come from your organization, there is a discount. > > > > Could be interesting, but I read that as $650 a head. Why would they > > give a discount for larger groups otherwise? > > > > Anyone else read it that way? I also read it as meaning $650 a head. A gross of $650 might not even be enough to pay for the plane ticket. Joel _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mnlinux at TechnologyAnnex.com Thu Oct 25 07:49:48 2001 From: mnlinux at TechnologyAnnex.com (mnlinux@TechnologyAnnex.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MRTG server monitoring Message-ID: I'm trying to setup MRTG to monitor our Sun servers for disk, memory, cpu, etc. I went through all of the instructions listed, but when I run the script on the web server it tells me that it could not communicate with the server I want to monitor. Has anyone been able to get this to work with monitoring Solaris servers? TIA. -Eric From hutchib at cscoe.accenture.com Thu Oct 25 09:53:49 2001 From: hutchib at cscoe.accenture.com (Brandon Hutchinson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need IE to view msn.com? Message-ID: <200110251358.IAA03501@nsmmfs07.cscoe.accenture.com> Did anyone else notice that Konqueror/Opera/non-IE browsers cannot view http://www.msn.com today? A friend of mine mentioned the "new look" of msn.com. When I went to view it, I get: Attention: Web Browser Upgrade Required to View MSN.com If you are seeing this page, we have detected that the browser that you are using will not render MSN.com correctly. Additionally, you'll see the most advanced functionality of MSN.com only with the latest version of Microsoft Internet Explorer or MSN Explorer. If you wish to visit MSN.com, please select the appropriate download link below. Internet Explorer for Windows Internet Explorer for Macintosh MSN Explorer for Windows ----- IMO this is alarming. I don't think the page will even view in Netscape. This is the first instance I know of where you can't even attempt to view a Web page in a non-IE browser! Brandon From erikh at headwaterssoftware.com Thu Oct 25 10:25:00 2001 From: erikh at headwaterssoftware.com (Erik Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need IE to view msn.com? In-Reply-To: <200110251358.IAA03501@nsmmfs07.cscoe.accenture.com> Message-ID: I can see it with both Netscape 4.77 and Netscape 6.1 running on Win2k. I dunno if the OS has anything to do with it... -Erik -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Brandon Hutchinson Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 8:58 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Need IE to view msn.com? Did anyone else notice that Konqueror/Opera/non-IE browsers cannot view http://www.msn.com today? A friend of mine mentioned the "new look" of msn.com. When I went to view it, I get: Attention: Web Browser Upgrade Required to View MSN.com If you are seeing this page, we have detected that the browser that you are using will not render MSN.com correctly. Additionally, you'll see the most advanced functionality of MSN.com only with the latest version of Microsoft Internet Explorer or MSN Explorer. If you wish to visit MSN.com, please select the appropriate download link below. Internet Explorer for Windows Internet Explorer for Macintosh MSN Explorer for Windows ----- IMO this is alarming. I don't think the page will even view in Netscape. This is the first instance I know of where you can't even attempt to view a Web page in a non-IE browser! Brandon _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.282 / Virus Database: 150 - Release Date: 9/25/2001 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.282 / Virus Database: 150 - Release Date: 9/25/2001 From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Thu Oct 25 10:29:59 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need IE to view msn.com? In-Reply-To: <200110251358.IAA03501@nsmmfs07.cscoe.accenture.com>; from hutchib@cscoe.accenture.com on Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 08:58:15AM -0500 References: <200110251358.IAA03501@nsmmfs07.cscoe.accenture.com> Message-ID: <20011025092932.A19545@trammell.dyndns.org> On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 08:58:15AM -0500, Brandon Hutchinson wrote: > Did anyone else notice that Konqueror/Opera/non-IE browsers cannot view > http://www.msn.com today? > > A friend of mine mentioned the "new look" of msn.com. When I went to view it, > I get: > > Attention: Web Browser Upgrade Required to View MSN.com > > If you are seeing this page, we have detected that the browser that you are > using will not render MSN.com correctly. Additionally, you'll see the most > advanced functionality of MSN.com only with the latest version of Microsoft > Internet Explorer or MSN Explorer. If you wish to visit MSN.com, please > select the appropriate download link below. > > Internet Explorer for Windows > Internet Explorer for Macintosh > MSN Explorer for Windows > > ----- > > IMO this is alarming. I don't think the page will even view in Netscape. This > is the first instance I know of where you can't even attempt to view a Web > page in a non-IE browser! > Indeed; lynx fails, but Netscape 4.72/Win is OK. Dunno about other browsers. -- johntrammell@yahoo.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 240 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011025/aacf2f71/attachment.pgp From matthew at redroot.org Thu Oct 25 10:32:48 2001 From: matthew at redroot.org (matthew@redroot.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need IE to view msn.com? In-Reply-To: <200110251358.IAA03501@nsmmfs07.cscoe.accenture.com> Message-ID: Please people... delete IE from your computer and use Mozilla! I know that I am preaching to the quire, but be brave... YOU CAN SURF THE WEB WITHOUT M$! thanks mcd On Thu, 25 Oct 2001, Brandon Hutchinson wrote: > Did anyone else notice that Konqueror/Opera/non-IE browsers cannot view > http://www.msn.com today? > > A friend of mine mentioned the "new look" of msn.com. When I went to view it, > I get: > > Attention: Web Browser Upgrade Required to View MSN.com > > If you are seeing this page, we have detected that the browser that you are > using will not render MSN.com correctly. Additionally, you'll see the most > advanced functionality of MSN.com only with the latest version of Microsoft > Internet Explorer or MSN Explorer. If you wish to visit MSN.com, please > select the appropriate download link below. > > Internet Explorer for Windows > Internet Explorer for Macintosh > MSN Explorer for Windows > > ----- > > IMO this is alarming. I don't think the page will even view in Netscape. This > is the first instance I know of where you can't even attempt to view a Web > page in a non-IE browser! > > Brandon > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From foeclan at tundra.winternet.com Thu Oct 25 10:33:36 2001 From: foeclan at tundra.winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need IE to view msn.com? In-Reply-To: <200110251358.IAA03501@nsmmfs07.cscoe.accenture.com> Message-ID: Shockwave.com was set up for a while so that, regardless of browser, it wouldn't let you view it if you weren't running MacOS or Windows. Strangely, that changed shortly after someone posted a link to them on Slashdot... go figure. ;) Of course, I doubt that'll work with MSN. -- Michael Vieths Foeclan@Winternet.Com On Thu, 25 Oct 2001, Brandon Hutchinson wrote: > IMO this is alarming. I don't think the page will even view in Netscape. This > is the first instance I know of where you can't even attempt to view a Web > page in a non-IE browser! > > Brandon From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Oct 25 10:34:24 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need IE to view msn.com? In-Reply-To: <200110251358.IAA03501@nsmmfs07.cscoe.accenture.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Oct 2001, Brandon Hutchinson wrote: > Did anyone else notice that Konqueror/Opera/non-IE browsers cannot view > http://www.msn.com today? I just tried it, got the same thing. Good thing I never look at their site. How long, though, before Hotmail, MSNBC, and Microsoft.com adopt this "new" look? From natecars at real-time.com Thu Oct 25 10:35:21 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need IE to view msn.com? In-Reply-To: <200110251358.IAA03501@nsmmfs07.cscoe.accenture.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Oct 2001, Brandon Hutchinson wrote: > Did anyone else notice that Konqueror/Opera/non-IE browsers cannot view > http://www.msn.com today? > > A friend of mine mentioned the "new look" of msn.com. When I went to view it, > I get: *snip* > IMO this is alarming. I don't think the page will even view in Netscape. This > is the first instance I know of where you can't even attempt to view a Web > page in a non-IE browser! Page works just fine if I configure squid as follows: # Fake browser version to get around msn.com's annoyance - they suck. :) anonymize_headers deny User-Agent fake_user_agent Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0b; Windows NT 5.0) *grin* -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From loren at ensodex.com Thu Oct 25 10:38:29 2001 From: loren at ensodex.com (Loren Cahlander) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need IE to view msn.com? References: <200110251358.IAA03501@nsmmfs07.cscoe.accenture.com> Message-ID: <3BD825EE.7060901@ensodex.com> Brandon Hutchinson wrote: >Did anyone else notice that Konqueror/Opera/non-IE browsers cannot view >http://www.msn.com today? > >A friend of mine mentioned the "new look" of msn.com. When I went to view it, >I get: > >Attention: Web Browser Upgrade Required to View MSN.com > >If you are seeing this page, we have detected that the browser that you are >using will not render MSN.com correctly. Additionally, you'll see the most >advanced functionality of MSN.com only with the latest version of Microsoft >Internet Explorer or MSN Explorer. If you wish to visit MSN.com, please >select the appropriate download link below. > >Internet Explorer for Windows >Internet Explorer for Macintosh >MSN Explorer for Windows > I was able to view the page using Netscape 6.1 under MS Windows NT 4.0. From natecars at real-time.com Thu Oct 25 10:54:05 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Console cable for Indigo 2? Message-ID: Anyone got a console cable for a SGI Indigo 2? We've got one for TCLUG use, but need a cable to see what the heck is in it. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From duncan at sodatrain.com Thu Oct 25 10:55:05 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need IE to view msn.com? References: <200110251358.IAA03501@nsmmfs07.cscoe.accenture.com> <20011025092932.A19545@trammell.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <3BD82A46.9060704@sodatrain.com> mozilla 0.9.4 on rh 7.1 fails. From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Thu Oct 25 10:55:47 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need IE to view msn.com? In-Reply-To: <200110251358.IAA03501@nsmmfs07.cscoe.accenture.com> Message-ID: I just tried it with Netscape 6.1 and Opera 5.11 under Win98. Same error message. They just won't quit, will they. On that note check this one out: http://www.ubersoft.net/d/20011024.html Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Brandon Hutchinson |Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 8:58 AM |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org |Subject: [TCLUG] Need IE to view msn.com? | | |Did anyone else notice that Konqueror/Opera/non-IE browsers cannot view |http://www.msn.com today? | |A friend of mine mentioned the "new look" of msn.com. When I went |to view it, |I get: | |Attention: Web Browser Upgrade Required to View MSN.com | |If you are seeing this page, we have detected that the browser |that you are |using will not render MSN.com correctly. Additionally, you'll see the most |advanced functionality of MSN.com only with the latest version of |Microsoft |Internet Explorer or MSN Explorer. If you wish to visit MSN.com, please |select the appropriate download link below. | |Internet Explorer for Windows |Internet Explorer for Macintosh |MSN Explorer for Windows | |----- | |IMO this is alarming. I don't think the page will even view in |Netscape. This |is the first instance I know of where you can't even attempt to view a Web |page in a non-IE browser! | |Brandon |_______________________________________________ |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, |Minnesota |http://www.mn-linux.org |tclug-list@mn-linux.org |https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list | From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Thu Oct 25 10:56:29 2001 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need IE to view msn.com? In-Reply-To: <200110251358.IAA03501@nsmmfs07.cscoe.accenture.com> References: <200110251358.IAA03501@nsmmfs07.cscoe.accenture.com> Message-ID: <15320.10814.599046.391642@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> I looked into this this morning, taking a peek at Slate magazine (slate.msn.com). All you need to do, if you're using konqueror, anyway, is to use the "User Agent" configuration option to get konqueror to lie to MSN and claim to be internet explorer. R From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Oct 25 10:57:13 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need IE to view msn.com? In-Reply-To: References: <200110251358.IAA03501@nsmmfs07.cscoe.accenture.com> Message-ID: <20011025100903.53397cd1.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "Erik Hanson" wrote: > > I can see it with both Netscape 4.77 and Netscape 6.1 running on Win2k. I > dunno if the OS has anything to do with it... > -Erik Browsers identify themselves to web servers, usually with a User-Agent string. This usually includes information about both the browser and the operating system types and versions. They probably just have tests looking for "Mac" and "Win", but just defaulting to that page when the OS isn't recognized. User-Agent strings can be hacked, of course ;-) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ What's the 411 on 911? / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011025/13e178d7/attachment.pgp From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Oct 25 10:57:56 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need IE to view msn.com? In-Reply-To: <200110251358.IAA03501@nsmmfs07.cscoe.accenture.com> References: <200110251358.IAA03501@nsmmfs07.cscoe.accenture.com> Message-ID: <20011025101141.A18124@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 08:58:15AM -0500, Brandon Hutchinson wrote: > Did anyone else notice that Konqueror/Opera/non-IE browsers cannot view > http://www.msn.com today? Yeah, I can't see it with mozilla or netscape on Solaris. > > IMO this is alarming. I don't think the page will even view in Netscape. This > is the first instance I know of where you can't even attempt to view a Web > page in a non-IE browser! Well, this stuff is fairly common, though not with sites of the magnitude of MSN. Search on bugzilla for browser evangelism. I think Microsoft is shooting themselves in the foot on this one. It seems like a good way to get bad PR right when XP rolls out. Not that I'd use MSN anyway. Now if it were MSNBC, I'd be more annoyed. Anyone have a user-agent string that works, so I can take a look? -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org Cookies are tasty! |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://freesklyarov.org/ From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Oct 25 11:01:28 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need IE to view msn.com? In-Reply-To: References: <200110251358.IAA03501@nsmmfs07.cscoe.accenture.com> Message-ID: <20011025101557.B18124@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 09:39:34AM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > Page works just fine if I configure squid as follows: > > # Fake browser version to get around msn.com's annoyance - they suck. :) > anonymize_headers deny User-Agent > fake_user_agent Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0b; Windows NT 5.0) Yeah, junkbuster will work too if you ad to your conmfig: user-agent Mozilla/4.77 [en] (Win95;U) And the page seems functional, though I'm not sure I'd notice if anything were broken. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org Cookies are tasty! |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://freesklyarov.org/ From mpaulsen at charter.net Thu Oct 25 11:02:26 2001 From: mpaulsen at charter.net (Mike Paulsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need IE to view msn.com? In-Reply-To: <200110251358.IAA03501@nsmmfs07.cscoe.accenture.com> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20011025100436.027ba070@pop.charter.net> If you reaaaly want to see the site you may be able to get in by changing the user-agent string. (This is where I'd tell you how to do it in Konqueror/Opera if I knew) You can play with telnet to see what they will and won't accept: telnet 207.68.171.253 80 GET / HTTP/1.1 Host: www.msn.com Connection: close User-Agent: whatever you're pretending to be (there are spaces either side of the / in 'GET / HTTP') - Mike At 08:58 AM 10/25/01, you wrote: >Did anyone else notice that Konqueror/Opera/non-IE browsers cannot view >http://www.msn.com today? > >A friend of mine mentioned the "new look" of msn.com. When I went to view it, >I get: > >Attention: Web Browser Upgrade Required to View MSN.com > >If you are seeing this page, we have detected that the browser that you are >using will not render MSN.com correctly. Additionally, you'll see the most >advanced functionality of MSN.com only with the latest version of Microsoft >Internet Explorer or MSN Explorer. If you wish to visit MSN.com, please >select the appropriate download link below. > >Internet Explorer for Windows >Internet Explorer for Macintosh >MSN Explorer for Windows > >----- > >IMO this is alarming. I don't think the page will even view in Netscape. This >is the first instance I know of where you can't even attempt to view a Web >page in a non-IE browser! > >Brandon >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Thu Oct 25 11:03:23 2001 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need IE to view msn.com? References: Message-ID: <3BD82D27.DD67386@structural-wood.com> Nate Carlson wrote: > > On Thu, 25 Oct 2001, Brandon Hutchinson wrote: > > Did anyone else notice that Konqueror/Opera/non-IE browsers cannot view > > http://www.msn.com today? > > > > A friend of mine mentioned the "new look" of msn.com. When I went to view it, > > I get: > > *snip* > > > IMO this is alarming. I don't think the page will even view in Netscape. This > > is the first instance I know of where you can't even attempt to view a Web > > page in a non-IE browser! > > Page works just fine if I configure squid as follows: > > # Fake browser version to get around msn.com's annoyance - they suck. :) > anonymize_headers deny User-Agent > fake_user_agent Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0b; Windows NT 5.0) > > *grin* > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 It also works fine running Netscape 4.78 on Solaris. Are they deliberately targeting Linux? From jamie_seeman at securecomputing.com Thu Oct 25 11:04:21 2001 From: jamie_seeman at securecomputing.com (Jamie Seeman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need IE to view msn.com? References: <200110251358.IAA03501@nsmmfs07.cscoe.accenture.com> <3BD825EE.7060901@ensodex.com> Message-ID: <3BD82DD5.1CB334D0@securecomputing.com> I'm on a Sun Ultra 5 box, and I'm using Netscape 4.78. I was able to get to msn.com, though I hated going there. It was only a test, I swear! :) Jamie Loren Cahlander wrote: > Brandon Hutchinson wrote: > > >Did anyone else notice that Konqueror/Opera/non-IE browsers cannot view > >http://www.msn.com today? > > > >A friend of mine mentioned the "new look" of msn.com. When I went to view it, > >I get: > > > >Attention: Web Browser Upgrade Required to View MSN.com > > > >If you are seeing this page, we have detected that the browser that you are > >using will not render MSN.com correctly. Additionally, you'll see the most > >advanced functionality of MSN.com only with the latest version of Microsoft > >Internet Explorer or MSN Explorer. If you wish to visit MSN.com, please > >select the appropriate download link below. > > > >Internet Explorer for Windows > >Internet Explorer for Macintosh > >MSN Explorer for Windows > > > I was able to view the page using Netscape 6.1 under MS Windows NT 4.0. > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jamie Seeman Secure Computing - Test Engineer 651.628.5420 From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Thu Oct 25 11:33:28 2001 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Console cable for Indigo 2? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have several indigo 2 machines please elaborate on just what a consol cable is. Is it a networking cable like an aui cable. Colin From matthew at redroot.org Thu Oct 25 11:34:22 2001 From: matthew at redroot.org (matthew@redroot.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need IE to view msn.com? In-Reply-To: <15320.10814.599046.391642@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: Don't switch your browser to fake what it actually is. This allows them to win. DON'T GO TO ANY OF THEIR SITES! I don't want to get people fired up, but believe me when I say that we are in a uphill battle for the Internet. thanks mcd On Thu, 25 Oct 2001, Robert P. Goldman wrote: > I looked into this this morning, taking a peek at Slate magazine > (slate.msn.com). > > All you need to do, if you're using konqueror, anyway, is to use the > "User Agent" configuration option to get konqueror to lie to MSN and > claim to be internet explorer. > > R > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Oct 25 11:39:20 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need IE to view msn.com? In-Reply-To: <3BD82D27.DD67386@structural-wood.com> References: <3BD82D27.DD67386@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <20011025104100.A18396@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 10:17:59AM -0500, Kent Schumacher wrote: > It also works fine running Netscape 4.78 on Solaris. Are they deliberately > targeting Linux? Interesting. I can get through on Solaris with netscape 4.7x when I turn off junkbuster, but I still can't get through with mozilla. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org Cookies are tasty! |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://freesklyarov.org/ From mbutler2 at mmm.com Thu Oct 25 11:46:57 2001 From: mbutler2 at mmm.com (mbutler2@mmm.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Console cable for Indigo 2? Message-ID: Hello- I've got yer cable, it figures, I've also got a monitor I could lend you as well. If Dennis and Karl are willing to go to lunch again, that is.... Later, Murray Nate Carlson time.com> cc: (bcc: Murray Butler/US-Corporate/3M/US) Subject: [TCLUG] Console cable for Indigo 2? 10/25/2001 10:00 AM Please respond to tclug-list Anyone got a console cable for a SGI Indigo 2? We've got one for TCLUG use, but need a cable to see what the heck is in it. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From steveg at transition.com Thu Oct 25 11:56:05 2001 From: steveg at transition.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need IE to view msn.com? Message-ID: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BC06B@postman.transition.com> Mozilla 0.9.4 fails on Win2k too. -----Original Message----- From: duncan [mailto:duncan@sodatrain.com] Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 10:06 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Need IE to view msn.com? mozilla 0.9.4 on rh 7.1 fails. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Oct 25 11:56:52 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need IE to view msn.com? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE05D@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Support.microsoft.com doesn't work with Konqueror either. Just change your user agent string for microsoft.com to say you're using IE 5.5. It's under the Konqueror settings panel. > -----Original Message----- > From: Brandon Hutchinson [mailto:hutchib@cscoe.accenture.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 8:58 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Need IE to view msn.com? > > > Did anyone else notice that Konqueror/Opera/non-IE browsers > cannot view > http://www.msn.com today? > > A friend of mine mentioned the "new look" of msn.com. When I > went to view it, > I get: > > Attention: Web Browser Upgrade Required to View MSN.com > > If you are seeing this page, we have detected that the > browser that you are > using will not render MSN.com correctly. Additionally, you'll > see the most > advanced functionality of MSN.com only with the latest > version of Microsoft > Internet Explorer or MSN Explorer. If you wish to visit > MSN.com, please > select the appropriate download link below. > > Internet Explorer for Windows > Internet Explorer for Macintosh > MSN Explorer for Windows > > ----- > > IMO this is alarming. I don't think the page will even view > in Netscape. This > is the first instance I know of where you can't even attempt > to view a Web > page in a non-IE browser! > > Brandon > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jaredburns at acm.org Thu Oct 25 11:57:36 2001 From: jaredburns at acm.org (Jared Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need IE to view msn.com? In-Reply-To: <3BD82D27.DD67386@structural-wood.com> References: <3BD82D27.DD67386@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <01102510540700.01649@radiohead.min.oti.com> Well, they don't seem to be *directly* targetting Linux. I can achieve victory by sending the string: "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Linux)" It seems they're checking the browser version numbers, not the OS. - Jared > > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > It also works fine running Netscape 4.78 on Solaris. Are they deliberately > targeting Linux? > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Oct 25 12:02:41 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Console cable for Indigo 2? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Oct 2001, Colin Kilbane wrote: > I have several indigo 2 machines please elaborate on just what a consol > cable is. Is it a networking cable like an aui cable. Looking for the serial cable, to manage the box over the serial console. A SGI kb + mouse would work too. : ) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Thu Oct 25 12:03:51 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Console cable for Indigo 2? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Oct 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > A SGI kb + mouse would work too. : ) er, keyboard and monitor. too early - can't type. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Oct 25 12:09:03 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need IE to view msn.com? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE05E@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > Don't switch your browser to fake what it actually is. This > allows them to win. Who cares? Change it. That will give them a false idea of how many people are actually using their browser and make their marketing droids' heads explode because their numbers will be all whacked up. If you really wanna have some fun though, just change the User agent string to something profane, so when they run their stats, they'll hopefully see it. I chose something along the lines of Linux rules/MS sucks theme... :) > -----Original Message----- > From: matthew@redroot.org [mailto:matthew@redroot.org] > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 10:44 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Need IE to view msn.com? > > > Don't switch your browser to fake what it actually is. This > allows them to win. DON'T GO TO ANY OF THEIR SITES! I don't > want to get people fired up, but believe me when I say that > we are in a uphill battle for the Internet. > > thanks > > mcd > > On Thu, 25 Oct 2001, Robert P. Goldman wrote: > > > I looked into this this morning, taking a peek at Slate magazine > > (slate.msn.com). > > > > All you need to do, if you're using konqueror, anyway, is > to use the > > "User Agent" configuration option to get konqueror to lie > to MSN and > > claim to be internet explorer. > > > > R > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Thu Oct 25 12:38:51 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need IE to view msn.com? In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE05E@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 11:13:24AM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE05E@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011025114415.A21308@trammell.dyndns.org> On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 11:13:24AM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > > If you really wanna have some fun though, just change the User agent string > to something profane, so when they run their stats, they'll hopefully see > it. I chose something along the lines of Linux rules/MS sucks theme... > % lynx -useragent="Mozilla (compatible; MSIE 6.0b; Windows NT 5.0; Bill Gates eats worms)" www.msn.com -- johntrammell@yahoo.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Someone needs to read Sun Tzu's "Art of War". http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/usr/jch/netrek/art-of-war If you can confuse the enemy, it's an advantage to you. PLUS showing/telling people how flexible open source software is, like changing user-agents, is a plus. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From natecars at real-time.com Thu Oct 25 13:21:54 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need IE to view msn.com? In-Reply-To: <20011025114415.A21308@trammell.dyndns.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Oct 2001, John J. Trammell wrote: > > If you really wanna have some fun though, just change the User agent string > > to something profane, so when they run their stats, they'll hopefully see > > it. I chose something along the lines of Linux rules/MS sucks theme... > > > > % lynx -useragent="Mozilla (compatible; MSIE 6.0b; Windows NT 5.0; Bill Gates eats worms)" www.msn.com Our squid server is now set to return: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0b; Linux; Heh, IE6.0 runs on Linux!) :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Oct 25 13:27:08 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] msn.com, linux, browser = slashdot? Message-ID: <20011025122708.J26774@real-time.com> Anyone post to slashdot yet about the msn? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From chrome at real-time.com Thu Oct 25 13:35:13 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Partition sizes In-Reply-To: <011024185906.202e0bd9@dcmir.med.umn.edu>; from HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu on Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 06:59:06PM -0500 References: <011024185906.202e0bd9@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011025124326.F2616@real-time.com> > > in theory, you should be able to mount a shared /usr partition via > >NFS; saving disk space and admin hassles. as such, you need to be able to > >boot without it, in case of emergency. > > I would strongly reccommend against this. NFS is spoofable, so anything which > contains OS type material should be local. Yes, it's feasible, but don't do it. well, yes. :) I know very well that NFS is a security problem, and shouldn't be used on systems exposed to the Internet. for some things, which are on a 'mostly trusted' network, it's really handy tho. :) I mean to try out AFS and Intermezzo one of these days; and see how well they replace NFS. AFS uses Kerberos for authentication; I don't know anythong about Intermezzo. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Thu Oct 25 13:40:40 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MRTG server monitoring In-Reply-To: ; from mnlinux@TechnologyAnnex.com on Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 07:14:16AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20011025125233.G2616@real-time.com> > I'm trying to setup MRTG to monitor our Sun servers for disk, memory, cpu, > etc. I went through all of the instructions listed, but when I run the > script on the web server it tells me that it could not communicate with > the server I want to monitor. > > Has anyone been able to get this to work with monitoring Solaris servers? I haven't tried to set up MRTG in ages; but I don't want to just leave your question hanging, so here's an attempt at helpful questions: is SNMPd running on the box you want to monitor? can you query it with snmpwalk? do you have any firewalling in between the machines that are trying to communicate? Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Oct 25 14:03:03 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] msn.com, linux, browser = slashdot? In-Reply-To: <20011025122708.J26774@real-time.com> References: <20011025122708.J26774@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011025130838.A19108@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 12:27:08PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Anyone post to slashdot yet about the msn? Yeah, though its buried in the XP article. http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=23009&cid=2477850 I didn't try to submit an article. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org Cookies are tasty! |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://freesklyarov.org/ From fertch at mninter.net Thu Oct 25 14:09:08 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fwd: "Hackers Beware" On The Road References: <20011024171414.B26119@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3BD8109F.3030205@mninter.net> I'd be interested and would pay that to hear this. Shawn Bob Tanner wrote: >Could we get a nice (free) place at the UofM(?) for this presentation? > >If the cost is $650 for unlimited number of people :-), who would be interested >in by like $10-$15 to hear this speaker? > > >----- Forwarded message from The SANS Institute ----- > >>Hello, I'm Stephen Northcutt from the SANS Institute. Extensive >>damage caused by CodeRed and Nimda illustrate the impact hacker >>tools can have on a network. The damage also shows how ineffective >>most organizations' defenses are against hackers. System, network, >>and security administrators have discovered they need to understand >>how these attacks work and how to defend against them. >> From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Oct 25 14:10:07 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need IE to view msn.com? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011025181845.1B34D45BC@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 If you have a newer version of lynx have a little fun with cron: put the following in ~/msn # Command logfile created by Lynx 2.8.4rel.1 (17 Jul 2001) key q key y Then your lynx command is: lynx -cmd_script=~/msn -accept_all_cookies -useragent="Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0b; Linux; Heh, IE6.0 runs on Linux!)" www.msn.com Lynx will connect to msn, load the page, then exit. Wash, rinse, repeat. Have more fun an create a shell script to spew different useragents. - -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." - --William Arthur Ward -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjvYV4EACgkQ/PFCAPL3hQOglwCgzWii2is2d6MsGE/6o2bApPqT onsAnRi60UfMnSIR4eIvzau8BVTIIO5I =4sBY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From hutchib at cscoe.accenture.com Thu Oct 25 14:47:11 2001 From: hutchib at cscoe.accenture.com (Brandon Hutchinson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] msn.com, linux, browser = slashdot? In-Reply-To: <20011025122708.J26774@real-time.com> References: <20011025122708.J26774@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200110251839.NAA10336@nsmmfs07.cscoe.accenture.com> On Thursday 25 October 2001 12:27 pm, you wrote: > Anyone post to slashdot yet about the msn? Looks like it is at the top of /. right now :D Brandon From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Oct 25 14:48:46 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] msn.com, linux, browser = slashdot? In-Reply-To: <20011025130838.A19108@gordo.space.umn.edu> References: <20011025122708.J26774@real-time.com> <20011025130838.A19108@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011025134015.A19323@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 01:08:38PM -0500, Jim Crumley wrote: > On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 12:27:08PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > Anyone post to slashdot yet about the msn? > > Yeah, though its buried in the XP article. > http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=23009&cid=2477850 > > I didn't try to submit an article. Of course by the time this got to the list it was up on /. http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/10/25/1824206 -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org Cookies are tasty! |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://freesklyarov.org/ From dasmeeto at topaz.northcentral.edu Thu Oct 25 14:50:17 2001 From: dasmeeto at topaz.northcentral.edu (David Smeeton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need IE to view msn.com? In-Reply-To: <3BD82D27.DD67386@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <60D6E21A39@topaz.northcentral.edu> Netscape 4.76 (standard on RH 7.1) loads the page. Kent Schumacher wrote: > It also works fine running Netscape 4.78 on Solaris. Are they deliberately > targeting Linux? From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Oct 25 16:51:07 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need IE to view msn.com? In-Reply-To: <3BD82D27.DD67386@structural-wood.com> References: <3BD82D27.DD67386@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <20011025150618.25b89585.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Kent Schumacher wrote: > > It also works fine running Netscape 4.78 on Solaris. Are they > deliberately targeting Linux? Sounds like they might be. Also, the Opera folks say that they can get through by changing the User-Agent string by just one character: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/cn/20011025/tc/msn_com_shuts_out_non-microsoft_browsers_1.html I was wondering if they're doing it for the BSDs -- has anyone tried? -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Rotisserie: A ferris / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ wheel for chickens. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Kent Schumacher wrote: > > It also works fine running Netscape 4.78 on Solaris. Are they > deliberately targeting Linux? Sounds like they might be. Also, the Opera folks say that they can get through by changing the User-Agent string by just one character: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/cn/20011025/tc/msn_com_shuts_out_non-microsoft_ browsers_1.html I was wondering if they're doing it for the BSDs -- has anyone tried? -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Rotisserie: A ferris / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ wheel for chickens. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Oct 25 17:33:09 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need IE to view msn.com? In-Reply-To: References: <15320.10814.599046.391642@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <20011025152232.4f8b2f8d.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> wrote: > > Don't switch your browser to fake what it actually is. This allows them to > win. DON'T GO TO ANY OF THEIR SITES! I don't want to get people fired up, > but believe me when I say that we are in a uphill battle for the Internet. I don't care what people do here. Change it if you like, or don't.. However, if you change how the browser identifies itself, there may be strange consequences. You probably only want the user agent string to be used when retrieving the page, but not when displaying. If changing the user agent string causes JavaScript code to identify the browser as something other than it is, scripts are probably going to call functions that don't exist or that are broken. Not that JavaScript usually does anything useful.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Error 103: Dead mouse in / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ hard drive. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011025/053dcd4d/attachment.pgp From webmaster at aardvarko.com Thu Oct 25 17:41:05 2001 From: webmaster at aardvarko.com (aardvarko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need IE to view msn.com? In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20011025100436.027ba070@pop.charter.net> Message-ID: > You can play with telnet to see what they will and won't accept: > > telnet 207.68.171.253 80 I've just done this, and msn.com's returning something VERY interesting. Look at this: aardvarko@files:~$ telnet msn.com 80 Trying 207.68.172.246... Connected to msn.com. Escape character is '^]'. GET / HTTP/1.1 Host: www.msn.com Connection: close User-Agent: Microsoft blows goats HTTP/1.1 200 OK Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.0 Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 21:39:44 GMT P3P:CP="BUS CUR CONo FIN IVDo ONL OUR PHY SAMo TELo" Connection: close Content-Type: text/html Cache-control: private Content-Length: 903 Test Page
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Denali "test it all" page Connection closed by foreign host. aardvarko@files:~$ None of those pages appear to exist anymore. Interesting... "Test all changes!!!" Heh, that's a new one for Microsoft. -- -aardvarko http://aardvarko.com webmaster at aardvarko dot com > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Mike Paulsen > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 10:18 > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Need IE to view msn.com? From Nicksteeler12 at cs.com Thu Oct 25 18:03:38 2001 From: Nicksteeler12 at cs.com (Nicksteeler12@cs.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need IE to view msn.com? Message-ID: <33.1cedf1ba.2909de4f@cs.com> it works fine in netscape 4.7 in windows but mozilla dosnt work even in windows. thats the kind of stuff thats gunna kill the giant. all that tells me is that microsoft is afraid.....afraid of linux. when a company is afraid of somthing then that tells me that they are gunna die. From natecars at real-time.com Thu Oct 25 18:07:11 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need IE to view msn.com? In-Reply-To: <20011025152232.4f8b2f8d.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Oct 2001, Mike Hicks wrote: > I don't care what people do here. Change it if you like, or don't.. > However, if you change how the browser identifies itself, there may be > strange consequences. You probably only want the user agent string to > be used when retrieving the page, but not when displaying. > > If changing the user agent string causes JavaScript code to identify > the browser as something other than it is, scripts are probably going > to call functions that don't exist or that are broken. > > Not that JavaScript usually does anything useful.. Nice thing about using squid to change it: browser still uses it's own. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From homebrewmike at yahoo.com Thu Oct 25 18:14:21 2001 From: homebrewmike at yahoo.com (Mike White) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Unlimited Scale - Linux SuperComputer Clustering here in MN (and Chippewa Falls, WI, too!) Message-ID: <20011024215431.61067.qmail@web10205.mail.yahoo.com> A bunch of ex-Cray folk. Interesting thing is that some of the folks work out of Chippewa Falls, WI. The little "War on Terrorism" is helping this stuff take off, since a good chuck of these sales are going to the spooks. Another group to keep an eye on is HPTI ( www.hpti.com ) they have an office in Eau Claire, WI. Ironically, the EC office contains a few Ex-SSI people. LIMITLESS LINUX CLUSTERING      (Source: Network World Fusion) Unlimited Scale, a Minnesota-based computer firm, announced a new iteration of Linux, which it says can scale Linux clusters into the tens of thousands. http://www.idg.net/go.cgi?id=579318 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From tanner at real-time.com Thu Oct 25 19:02:15 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need IE to view msn.com? In-Reply-To: <20011025150618.25b89585.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 03:06:18PM -0500 References: <3BD82D27.DD67386@structural-wood.com> <20011025150618.25b89585.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011025181136.Y22247@real-time.com> So, Mozilla is not compliant with W3's latest xhtml standard? The info here: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/cn/20011025/tc/msn_com_shuts_out_non-microsoft_browsers_1.html Says that they only let browser in that comply with the latest W3 xhtml standard. I -thought- mozilla represented implementation of the standard. I tried Amaya, got the same warning from msn. Isn't -amaya- the reference implementation? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From drake+tclug at lemongecko.org Thu Oct 25 19:03:13 2001 From: drake+tclug at lemongecko.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need IE to view msn.com? In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.0.25.2.20011025100436.027ba070@pop.charter.net> Message-ID: <20011025181145.A25268@lemongecko.org> If you're interested in messing with the User-Agent strings in msn.com's logs, you might want to check out siege: http://www.joedog.org/siege/index.html Siege is a web server testing utility: it creates lot of hits to test the server. You can configure the User-Agent string it sends in the config file. Of course, this accomplishes almost except filling up their logs with crap. But siege is a nifty tool -- I'm surprised there's no Debian package. On a separate note, I put my own webserver under siege, and it handled a simulated 200 users without a single dropped connection. Yay! Dan -- | 4699 BDCB B1A5 28B6 7F8A F8DF EB6A BC2A B0A1 99BF (GPG) | Dan Drake | http://lemongecko.org/drake/ | public key: email -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011025/b468337a/attachment.pgp From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Oct 25 19:23:48 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] msn.com, linux, browser = slashdot? 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Joseph Key . > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Brandon Hutchinson > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 8:58 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Need IE to view msn.com? > > > Did anyone else notice that Konqueror/Opera/non-IE browsers cannot view > http://www.msn.com today? > > A friend of mine mentioned the "new look" of msn.com. When I went to view > it, > I get: > > Attention: Web Browser Upgrade Required to View MSN.com > > If you are seeing this page, we have detected that the browser that you are > using will not render MSN.com correctly. Additionally, you'll see the most > advanced functionality of MSN.com only with the latest version of Microsoft > Internet Explorer or MSN Explorer. If you wish to visit MSN.com, please > select the appropriate download link below. > > Internet Explorer for Windows > Internet Explorer for Macintosh > MSN Explorer for Windows > > ----- > > IMO this is alarming. I don't think the page will even view in Netscape. > This > is the first instance I know of where you can't even attempt to view a Web > page in a non-IE browser! > > Brandon > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.282 / Virus Database: 150 - Release Date: 9/25/2001 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.282 / Virus Database: 150 - Release Date: 9/25/2001 > From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Oct 25 23:19:59 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Need IE to view msn.com? In-Reply-To: <20011025181136.Y22247@real-time.com> References: <3BD82D27.DD67386@structural-wood.com> <20011025150618.25b89585.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20011025181136.Y22247@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011025202525.N2013@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [011025 18:37]: > So, Mozilla is not compliant with W3's latest xhtml standard? I got a response of "It's not a shipping product yet". It sounds like netscape 6.1 works, though. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Just say NO to Product Activation! From kdeborah8 at qwest.net Thu Oct 25 23:34:40 2001 From: kdeborah8 at qwest.net (Joseph Key) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need IE to view msn.com? References: <200110251358.IAA03501@nsmmfs07.cscoe.accenture.com> Message-ID: <000801c15dc7$8fa7d2e0$0139a8c0@tomobiki.dyndns.org> I can see it on Slackware 8 using Netscape 4.77. I can not see it using NetBSD 1.5 using Mozilla 0.93 on a side note I look first on IE 5.5 and the letters of the words are so small it is hard to read. My screen size is 1024X768X32 using Netscape I can read the words well. Joseph Key ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brandon Hutchinson" To: Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 8:58 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Need IE to view msn.com? > Did anyone else notice that Konqueror/Opera/non-IE browsers cannot view > http://www.msn.com today? > > A friend of mine mentioned the "new look" of msn.com. When I went to view it, > I get: > > Attention: Web Browser Upgrade Required to View MSN.com > > If you are seeing this page, we have detected that the browser that you are > using will not render MSN.com correctly. Additionally, you'll see the most > advanced functionality of MSN.com only with the latest version of Microsoft > Internet Explorer or MSN Explorer. If you wish to visit MSN.com, please > select the appropriate download link below. > > Internet Explorer for Windows > Internet Explorer for Macintosh > MSN Explorer for Windows > > ----- > > IMO this is alarming. I don't think the page will even view in Netscape. This > is the first instance I know of where you can't even attempt to view a Web > page in a non-IE browser! > > Brandon > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Thu Oct 25 23:41:46 2001 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fwd: "Hackers Beware" On The Road In-Reply-To: <3BD8109F.3030205@mninter.net> References: <20011024171414.B26119@real-time.com> <3BD8109F.3030205@mninter.net> Message-ID: <15320.53250.942219.177542@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> I work at Honeywell Labs and I think a few of us would be interested in this, but only if it happened after January, when the current belt-tightening will time out.... R From tanner at real-time.com Thu Oct 25 23:45:36 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Listserv jammed Message-ID: <20011025225233.E2774@real-time.com> Eden Prairie has a power outage which put Real Time into the dark. Lots of notifications happen when power goes out :-) so -lots- of email are jammed on the listserv waiting to get pushed out. Expect some delay on posts. Sorry about this. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From florin at iucha.net Thu Oct 25 23:50:51 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MRTG server monitoring In-Reply-To: ; from mnlinux@TechnologyAnnex.com on Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 07:14:16AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20011025081141.E23120@beaver.iucha.org> On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 07:14:16AM -0500, mnlinux@TechnologyAnnex.com wrote: > I'm trying to setup MRTG to monitor our Sun servers for disk, memory, cpu, > etc. I went through all of the instructions listed, but when I run the > script on the web server it tells me that it could not communicate with > the server I want to monitor. > > Has anyone been able to get this to work with monitoring Solaris servers? Are you able to run snmpwalk from a different machine and get some meaningfull results? florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011025/9fbfd948/attachment.pgp From AIRPLANEIT at aol.com Thu Oct 25 23:51:54 2001 From: AIRPLANEIT at aol.com (AIRPLANEIT@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lilo.conf a ghost file? WAS Ladies and Gentlemen... Message-ID: <20.1df6cbc9.290a3bfd@aol.com> I have since found out you are to run LILO in a terminal so it can send the information in the config file to the MBR. However, this still isn't solving my problem of booting windows. When I select windows in LILO, it says "Loading Windows" and stops there with a blinking cursor. Maybe that hard drive has an MBR on it that's spoofing things up? Maybe whatever needs to be read on the Windows drive is on a sector too far out for the BIOS to read? Again, any help's appreciated, and worth a beer. :) -Nick -Nick > Florin, > > I'm sorry I couldn't "follow your advice" on not booting Windows...someday, I'll get there :) > > I am now able to mount my windows drive (after realizing I should be calling it hdb1 instead of hdb, even though I didn't remember having a partition on that drive) > > Now I am trying to modify lilo.conf, but no matter what I do with the file, it doesn't change LILO. What gives? I even got bold enough to reboot my computer with lilo.conf as a blank file. I'm pretty sure the reason is that Red Hat 7 is using that cute but worthless graphical "LILO" interface as opposed to the prompt-based LILO. > > Any help's appreciated, and worth a beer when I make a beer meeting. And it's worth a beer and a HALF to help me get rid of the GUI RedhatLILO, and back to the real-deal LILO. (I dare not mention my age right now, or that offer will fall right through the floor) > > -Nick > > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 09:24:30PM -0400, AIRPLANEIT@aol.com wrote: > > > I am pleased to announce that this is my first e-mail sent through the Linux operating system (Redhat 7). After a week of "small problems" and a lot of perseverence (sp?), I am now able to connect with my cable modem and Netscape (web based e-mail). > > > > We are pleased to hear that! Welcome! > > > > > The challenges I overcame (probably seem miniscule to many of you) were: > > > > Indeed. We were born with osciloscopes in hands... > > > > > Manually partitioning the Linux Drive. > > > An out of sync monitor. > > > configuring the monitor settings to anything other than 8 bit color and 640x480. > > > Finding out how to setup my network card. > > > > > > Looking back, I don't see why it seemed so hard. Ahh well... > > > > Isn't that the most important reason to love it? > > > > > I'm sure I'm going to hit a few more roadblocks before feeling comfortable with wiping my system clean of Win98 (my eventual goal). > > > > > > My next challenge is getting Windows to boot through LILO, and (probably at the same time) getting Linux to mount my Windows harddrive. Wish me luck! > > > > Don't bother :) > > > > If you cannot follow the previous advice: > > 1. add the following two lines to /etc/lilo.conf > > other=/dev/ > > label=winblows > > > > 2. add the following line to /etc/fstab > > /dev/ /mnt/ vfat defaults 0 0 > > repeat as necessary > > > > florin > > > > PS. I hope I have not spoiled your fun :) > > > > -- > > > > "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." > > > > 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From dsherman at real-time.com Thu Oct 25 23:59:39 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need IE to view msn.com? In-Reply-To: <20011025121156.F26774@real-time.com> References: <15320.10814.599046.391642@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> <20011025121156.F26774@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200110260304.f9Q34ck05629@enchanter.real-time.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Don't know if anyone has bothered to look at the source code from the page - -- UGLY! I managed to save it as an xml file from IE 5.5, then opened it in my Linux browsers. Guess what? MS doesn't know how to write proper xml! If anyone is interested, here are a couple of screenshots I took. Note that Opera, though it shows a "transmission stopped" error, in fact was loading from my hard drive, and it barfed on the xml. In fact, Opera for windows gave the same message as Mozilla did in both Windows and Linux (they even barfed at the same point in the page, line 1, column 2743). So it is not a single browser issue with xml, it is MS' poor xml. http://sildara.dyndns.org/msn_opera.png http://sildara.dyndns.org/msn_mozilla.png Dave - -- "You are old," said the youth, "and I'm told by my peers That your lectures bore people to death. Yet you talk at one hundred conventions per year -- Don't you think that you should save your breath?" "I have answered three questions and that is enough," Said his father, "Don't give yourself airs! Do you think I can listen all day to such stuff? Be off, or I'll kick you downstairs!" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE72NLlA68l26XsZUYRAhZtAJ0bqSeabt75jU9M1R2c9NNVS7C0jQCeKlCI YxXpLrgXp61cniU8FTCBY64= =HlhL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From AIRPLANEIT at aol.com Fri Oct 26 00:08:48 2001 From: AIRPLANEIT at aol.com (AIRPLANEIT@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lilo.conf a ghost file? WAS Ladies and Gentlemen... Message-ID: <123.659a040.290a17f2@aol.com> Florin, I'm sorry I couldn't "follow your advice" on not booting Windows...someday, I'll get there :) I am now able to mount my windows drive (after realizing I should be calling it hdb1 instead of hdb, even though I didn't remember having a partition on that drive) Now I am trying to modify lilo.conf, but no matter what I do with the file, it doesn't change LILO. What gives? I even got bold enough to reboot my computer with lilo.conf as a blank file. I'm pretty sure the reason is that Red Hat 7 is using that cute but worthless graphical "LILO" interface as opposed to the prompt-based LILO. Any help's appreciated, and worth a beer when I make a beer meeting. And it's worth a beer and a HALF to help me get rid of the GUI RedhatLILO, and back to the real-deal LILO. (I dare not mention my age right now, or that offer will fall right through the floor) -Nick > On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 09:24:30PM -0400, AIRPLANEIT@aol.com wrote: > > I am pleased to announce that this is my first e-mail sent through the Linux operating system (Redhat 7). After a week of "small problems" and a lot of perseverence (sp?), I am now able to connect with my cable modem and Netscape (web based e-mail). > > We are pleased to hear that! Welcome! > > > The challenges I overcame (probably seem miniscule to many of you) were: > > Indeed. We were born with osciloscopes in hands... > > > Manually partitioning the Linux Drive. > > An out of sync monitor. > > configuring the monitor settings to anything other than 8 bit color and 640x480. > > Finding out how to setup my network card. > > > > Looking back, I don't see why it seemed so hard. Ahh well... > > Isn't that the most important reason to love it? > > > I'm sure I'm going to hit a few more roadblocks before feeling comfortable with wiping my system clean of Win98 (my eventual goal). > > > > My next challenge is getting Windows to boot through LILO, and (probably at the same time) getting Linux to mount my Windows harddrive. Wish me luck! > > Don't bother :) > > If you cannot follow the previous advice: > 1. add the following two lines to /etc/lilo.conf > other=/dev/ > label=winblows > > 2. add the following line to /etc/fstab > /dev/ /mnt/ vfat defaults 0 0 > repeat as necessary > > florin > > PS. I hope I have not spoiled your fun :) > > -- > > "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." > > 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From tanner at real-time.com Fri Oct 26 00:56:28 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Need IE to view msn.com? In-Reply-To: <20011025202525.N2013@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 08:25:26PM -0500 References: <3BD82D27.DD67386@structural-wood.com> <20011025150618.25b89585.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20011025181136.Y22247@real-time.com> <20011025202525.N2013@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20011025231946.G2774@real-time.com> Quoting Scott Dier (dieman+tclug@ringworld.org): > * Bob Tanner [011025 18:37]: > > So, Mozilla is not compliant with W3's latest xhtml standard? > > I got a response of "It's not a shipping product yet". > > It sounds like netscape 6.1 works, though. > That is what I don't get. Isn't netscape 6.1 using gecko the same rendering engine as mozilla? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Oct 26 01:05:26 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lilo.conf a ghost file? WAS Ladies and Gentlemen... In-Reply-To: <123.659a040.290a17f2@aol.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 AIRPLANEIT@aol.com wrote: > I'm sorry I couldn't "follow your advice" on not booting Windows...someday, I'll get there :) And a great day that will be for you. Just keep hacking :-) > I am now able to mount my windows drive (after realizing I should be calling it hdb1 instead of hdb, even though I didn't remember having a partition on that drive) In order for anything to exist on a hard drive it must be partitoned, Winders might have done that for you, but yes, it's there. Now, what's this hdb crap? Winders is a picky (brainless) OS that needs to be on hda1 or Really Bad Things(tm) happen (or in your case, doesn't happen). There's a trick at making LILO fake it out but I've seen mixed results. When troubleshooting, move it to hda1 and get it working. > Now I am trying to modify lilo.conf, but no matter what I do with the file, it doesn't change LILO. What gives? I even got bold enough to reboot my computer with lilo.conf as a blank file. I'm pretty sure the reason is that Red Hat 7 is using that cute but worthless graphical "LILO" interface as opposed to the prompt-based LILO. dumb question- you are editing the lilo.conf as root and then doing a 'lilo -v', right? Editing the file alone does nothing, you need to re-run LILO to rebuild the MBR :-) I missed the first portion of this thread so I may be repeating what Florin said. Sorry for the data redundancy, that being the case. -Brian From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Oct 26 04:27:25 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Need IE to view msn.com? In-Reply-To: <20011025231946.G2774@real-time.com> References: <3BD82D27.DD67386@structural-wood.com> <20011025150618.25b89585.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20011025181136.Y22247@real-time.com> <20011025202525.N2013@ringworld.org> <20011025231946.G2774@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011026030613.Q2013@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [011026 00:30]: > > > So, Mozilla is not compliant with W3's latest xhtml standard? > > I got a response of "It's not a shipping product yet". > > It sounds like netscape 6.1 works, though. > That is what I don't get. Isn't netscape 6.1 using gecko the same rendering > engine as mozilla? Yeah, but mozilla isn't a 1.0 nor is it a 'commerical product'. Sometimes they refuse to get it, deal. :| Windows XP is evily seductive, however. I've been messing with it today in prep for a lanparty this weekend (linux doesn't run games i want to play, life sucks, not much I can do but give money to programmers to fix this i guess) and theres enough hackish-settings in the powetoys (virtual desktops, mouse focus, etc) to make it workable. But, I dont really want to run windows full time (ick). I allready had 2 bluescreens. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Just say NO to Product Activation! From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Oct 26 07:45:56 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Need IE to view msn.com? In-Reply-To: <20011026030613.Q2013@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 03:06:13AM -0500 References: <3BD82D27.DD67386@structural-wood.com> <20011025150618.25b89585.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20011025181136.Y22247@real-time.com> <20011025202525.N2013@ringworld.org> <20011025231946.G2774@real-time.com> <20011026030613.Q2013@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20011026064824.B2579@chuck> On Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 03:06:13AM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: > >Windows XP is evily seductive, however. I've been messing with it today >in prep for a lanparty this weekend (linux doesn't run games i want to >play, life sucks, not much I can do but give money to programmers to fix >this i guess) and theres enough hackish-settings in the powetoys >(virtual desktops, mouse focus, etc) to make it workable. Is there some reason you picked XP over windows 2000? I'm quite happy with win2k. It's stable and just _works_. Granted I'd rather use a *nix, but if you have to use windows for things.... I haven't had the chance to play with XP, the buzz is that it'll be the nail-in-the-coffin of samba, have you messed with this? > >But, I dont really want to run windows full time (ick). I allready had >2 bluescreens. That's not good. -- This space intentionally left blank. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011026/99bb785c/attachment.pgp From josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org Fri Oct 26 08:40:05 2001 From: josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lilo.conf a ghost file? WAS Ladies and Gentlemen... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > > I'm sorry I couldn't "follow your advice" on not booting Windows...someday, I'll get there :) > > And a great day that will be for you. Just keep hacking :-) Also, everything you need will turn into access, excel, powerpoint, word and pdf documents. Feh! I run OpenBSD mostly and just to view a PDF I have to install this whole giant redhat-linux compatibility package. I could just scream when important stuff online goes proprietary. Josh -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE72VM9fexLsowstzcRAsubAKCpnMlHaXhsxmwbEP15bXf46cPbZQCgnc/K 56jTL9Q8BMyazQF476hlXwA= =zCj5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From fertch at mninter.net Fri Oct 26 08:52:41 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need IE to view msn.com? References: Message-ID: <3BD917AD.5040505@mninter.net> matthew@redroot.org wrote: >Please people... delete IE from your computer and use Mozilla! I know that >I am preaching to the quire, but be brave... YOU CAN SURF THE WEB WITHOUT >M$! > Ahh, but unfortunately, if you must use Windows you cannot delete IE from your system. It's too far embedded into the OS. Also, if you want to get some updates from Microsoft, they do not allow you to use any browser other than IE to do it. Not every update is available as a downloadable stand alone file. From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Oct 26 09:50:28 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lilo.conf a ghost file? WAS Ladies and Gentlemen... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011026084324.466482ab.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "Joshua b. Jore" wrote: > > Also, everything you need will turn into access, excel, powerpoint, word > and pdf documents. Feh! I run OpenBSD mostly and just to view a PDF I > have to install this whole giant redhat-linux compatibility package. I > could just scream when important stuff online goes proprietary. To my knowledge, PDFs aren't proprietary (except for a few things). Adobe just has the best implementation of a viewer at this point. Lots of PDFs look okay in gv or xpdf. Yeah, there are some that need acroread, but I usually have pretty good luck with those others. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Never make any mistaeks. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So, then I tried this: part /vmware --size 6144 --fstype vfat ...and got the error that max size for vfat is 2048. What's the proper way to set this up? I'd like a 6 GB raw partition where i can install windows guest OS for vmware. Thanks. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From amy at real-time.com Fri Oct 26 11:13:02 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] lpd problems Message-ID: <20011026092334.B24796@real-time.com> I've got some printers that are being served by both a linux lpd server and a windows print server. Apparently, when a linux client sends a job to the printer, it works great, but subsequent windows jobs either hang or print very slowly. Is there something you can configure in lpd to 'reset' the printer somehow so the windows jobs will run ok? Thx. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Oct 26 12:13:04 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] lpd problems Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE069@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Point the windows print server at the linux box and have it use that as a printer. Then all jobs will be sent to the printer from the linux box. This is what I do since I can't make my windows box print double sided when going direct to the printer, but I can when going to the linux box first. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Amy Tanner [mailto:amy@real-time.com] > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 9:24 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] lpd problems > > > I've got some printers that are being served by both a linux > lpd server and a windows print server. Apparently, when a > linux client sends a job to the printer, it works great, but > subsequent windows jobs either hang or print very slowly. Is > there something you can configure in lpd to 'reset' the > printer somehow so the windows jobs will run ok? > > Thx. > -- > Amy Tanner > amy@real-time.com _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Oct 26 13:12:05 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Need IE to view msn.com? In-Reply-To: <20011026064824.B2579@chuck> References: <3BD82D27.DD67386@structural-wood.com> <20011025150618.25b89585.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20011025181136.Y22247@real-time.com> <20011025202525.N2013@ringworld.org> <20011025231946.G2774@real-time.com> <20011026030613.Q2013@ringworld.org> <20011026064824.B2579@chuck> Message-ID: <20011026113917.R2013@ringworld.org> * Ben Lutgens [011026 07:20]: > Is there some reason you picked XP over windows 2000? I'm quite happy with > win2k. It's stable and just _works_. Granted I'd rather use a *nix, but if > you have to use windows for things.... Its fast. Really fast. Bootup is fast, running apps is fast. etc. Yeah yeah, ive got 256mb of ram, but it still seems faster than win2k. The UI stuff they added is no short of kick ass, though. This is definatly something I can give to my mom and they can figure out. Plus it comes with a pc-anywhere-ish 'help' utility that they can invite you to work on their box with them via MSN messanger. If you dont mind the privacy implications of microsoft running a db(ick) and all this single-vendor shit, its really quite a jump forward with some of the things they have done. MSIE 6 is still behind mozilla in some aspects of rendering, however. (bwhaha) One thing, if your running it, get the POWERTOYS free from microsoft. The TweakUI and MSVDM (virtual desktops) are absouletly required to make your life easier. > I haven't had the chance to play with XP, the buzz is that it'll be the > nail-in-the-coffin of samba, have you messed with this? Not yet. > >But, I dont really want to run windows full time (ick). I allready had > >2 bluescreens. > That's not good. I think it was a botched nvidia driver install, I tried it again and its been fine overnight. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Just say NO to Product Activation! From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Oct 26 13:15:19 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kickstart & raw disk for vmware guest OS In-Reply-To: <20011026092111.A24796@real-time.com> References: <20011026092111.A24796@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011026164803.0CD004588@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Confused I am... Which are you kickstarting, guest os or host os? I'm guessing host os, but that's just a guess. :) It's usually best to let Windows handle the vfat formating, AFAIK mksf.vfat doesn't support anything bigger than a floppy (well anyway...) That would be my best guess for the source of the error. That, or the installers kernel is really old. Is there an option to create an unformated partition? That way when you install vmware Windows will format the partition... - -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | Bender: You just think that robots are machines built by humans to make their life's easier. Fry: Well, aren't they? Bender: I've never made anyone's life easier and you know it! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjvZk8AACgkQ/PFCAPL3hQPUJwCgi351BiHSI168AENQZ+WFSmw7 U7UAoMDi52LyzSBIwY0kQka5DozAhdmO =XU2S -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tanner at real-time.com Fri Oct 26 14:24:46 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Need IE to view msn.com? In-Reply-To: <20011026064824.B2579@chuck>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 06:48:24AM -0500 References: <3BD82D27.DD67386@structural-wood.com> <20011025150618.25b89585.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20011025181136.Y22247@real-time.com> <20011025202525.N2013@ringworld.org> <20011025231946.G2774@real-time.com> <20011026030613.Q2013@ringworld.org> <20011026064824.B2579@chuck> Message-ID: <20011026125845.O2774@real-time.com> > Is there some reason you picked XP over windows 2000? I'm quite happy with > win2k. It's stable and just _works_. Granted I'd rather use a *nix, but if > you have to use windows for things.... ME is your choice for games. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org Fri Oct 26 14:25:44 2001 From: josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lilo.conf a ghost file? WAS Ladies and Gentlemen... In-Reply-To: <20011026084324.466482ab.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Oh yeah. I completely spaced about xpdf and I've never tried gv. Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 On Fri, 26 Oct 2001, Mike Hicks wrote: > "Joshua b. Jore" wrote: > > > > Also, everything you need will turn into access, excel, powerpoint, word > > and pdf documents. Feh! I run OpenBSD mostly and just to view a PDF I > > have to install this whole giant redhat-linux compatibility package. I > > could just scream when important stuff online goes proprietary. > > To my knowledge, PDFs aren't proprietary (except for a few things). Adobe > just has the best implementation of a viewer at this point. > > Lots of PDFs look okay in gv or xpdf. Yeah, there are some that need > acroread, but I usually have pretty good luck with those others. > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Never make any mistaeks. > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE72aZKfexLsowstzcRAhXaAJsFpvpVywHXhdzZ+J/Q+MZgPobiIQCffbxo ynrRa4PLl8J12NYNqjSAj1w= =LmQl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From hvidsl at parknicollet.com Fri Oct 26 14:26:32 2001 From: hvidsl at parknicollet.com (Hvidsten, Leif) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Need IE to view msn.com? Message-ID: I've been running XP since June or so. I have to agree with what Scott said. There is no doubt that it is faster than Win98 was. If you're a gamer, it's fast and very stable. And, of course, you get a built-in software firewall that will protect from any hacker . > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Dier [mailto:dieman+tclug@ringworld.org] > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 11:39 AM > To: Ben Lutgens; tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Need IE to view msn.com? > > > * Ben Lutgens [011026 07:20]: > > Is there some reason you picked XP over windows 2000? I'm > quite happy with > > win2k. It's stable and just _works_. Granted I'd rather use > a *nix, but if > > you have to use windows for things.... > > Its fast. Really fast. Bootup is fast, running apps is fast. etc. > Yeah yeah, ive got 256mb of ram, but it still seems faster than win2k. > The UI stuff they added is no short of kick ass, though. This is > definatly something I can give to my mom and they can figure > out. Plus > it comes with a pc-anywhere-ish 'help' utility that they can > invite you > to work on their box with them via MSN messanger. > > If you dont mind the privacy implications of microsoft > running a db(ick) > and all this single-vendor shit, its really quite a jump forward with > some of the things they have done. MSIE 6 is still behind mozilla in > some aspects of rendering, however. (bwhaha) > > One thing, if your running it, get the POWERTOYS free from microsoft. > The TweakUI and MSVDM (virtual desktops) are absouletly > required to make > your life easier. > > > I haven't had the chance to play with XP, the buzz is that > it'll be the > > nail-in-the-coffin of samba, have you messed with this? > > Not yet. > > > >But, I dont really want to run windows full time (ick). I > allready had > > >2 bluescreens. > > That's not good. > > I think it was a botched nvidia driver install, I tried it > again and its > been fine overnight. > > > -- > Scott Dier > http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net > > Just say NO to Product Activation! > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > PRIVACY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain business confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If this e-mail was not intended for you, please notify the sender by reply e-mail that you received this in error. Destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. From amy at real-time.com Fri Oct 26 14:36:28 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kickstart & raw disk for vmware guest OS In-Reply-To: <20011026164803.0CD004588@slnx03.cs.umn.edu>; from zibby+tclug@ringworld.org on Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 11:47:57AM -0500 References: <20011026092111.A24796@real-time.com> <20011026164803.0CD004588@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011026081046.A1105@real-time.com> On Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 11:47:57AM -0500, Andy Zbikowski (zibby+tclug@ringworld.org) wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Confused I am... > Which are you kickstarting, guest os or host os? yes, host os. creating a linux kickstart. > I'm guessing host os, but that's just a guess. :) > > It's usually best to let Windows handle the vfat formating, AFAIK mksf.vfat > doesn't support anything bigger than a floppy (well anyway...) That would be > my best guess for the source of the error. That, or the installers kernel is > really old. so, if i make it an ext3 partition, will guest windows OS be able to re-format and install on it? > Is there an option to create an unformated partition? That way when you > install vmware Windows will format the partition... don't think so - from the kickstart docs, the part command has these 2 options relating to this: --noformat Tells the installation program not to format the partition, for use with the --onpart command. --onpart or --usepart Tells the installation program to put the partition on the already existing device . For example, partition /home --onpart hda1 will put /home on /dev/hda1, which must already exist. thx. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Fri Oct 26 14:39:43 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Need IE to view msn.com? Message-ID: >>> dieman+tclug@ringworld.org 10/26/01 11:39AM >>> >Plus it comes with a pc-anywhere-ish 'help' utility that >they can invite you to work on their box with them via >MSN messanger. Don't get me wrong, I do like this functionality (I use vnc and citrix all the time), but does anyone else see a huge red and white target painted on this piece of the XP puzzle? I really don't trust them enough to do something like this in a secure fashion. :-/ >The TweakUI and MSVDM (virtual desktops) are >absouletly required to make your life easier. The virtual desktops are an intriguing feature. Did they do it 'right'? Similar to anything (FVWM, CDE, KDE,...)? >Just say NO to Product Activation! Indeed! From evisuale at mn.mediaone.net Fri Oct 26 15:24:28 2001 From: evisuale at mn.mediaone.net (Erick Stohr) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sendmail error, i think Message-ID: <3BDAC1D4.21B9656D@mn.mediaone.net> I am trying to send an email via a Java Servlet and am getting this error: DEBUG: getProvider() returning javax.mail.Provider[TRANSPORT,smtp,com.sun.mail.smtp.SMTPTransport,Sun Microsystems, Inc] DEBUG SMTP: useEhlo true, useAuth false DEBUG: SMTPTransport trying to connect to host "localhost", port 25 DEBUG SMTP RCVD: 220 TVS-web ESMTP Sendmail 8.9.3/8.9.3; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 23:09:50 -0700 DEBUG: SMTPTransport connected to host "localhost", port: 25 DEBUG SMTP SENT: EHLO DEBUG SMTP RCVD: 501 EHLO requires domain address DEBUG SMTP SENT: HELO DEBUG SMTP RCVD: 501 HELO requires domain address Of course there are other Java exceptions, but I am not including those, I am using JavaMail. I assume this is a sendmail configuration error. Thanks for any help. Erick From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Oct 26 15:40:49 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Need IE to view msn.com? In-Reply-To: <20011026125845.O2774@real-time.com> References: <3BD82D27.DD67386@structural-wood.com> <20011025150618.25b89585.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20011025181136.Y22247@real-time.com> <20011025202525.N2013@ringworld.org> <20011025231946.G2774@real-time.com> <20011026030613.Q2013@ringworld.org> <20011026064824.B2579@chuck> <20011026125845.O2774@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011026140834.T2013@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [011026 13:56]: > ME is your choice for games. Windows XP has driver rollback, however. And not just 'install the old version' they actually use a part of your hard drive (12% by default, ive got it set to 5%) to store backups of your setup and config in case a 3rd party driver fscks you up. Drivers are culprit number one at missing lanparty time. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net Just say NO to Product Activation! From natecars at real-time.com Fri Oct 26 15:43:44 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Need IE to view msn.com? In-Reply-To: <20011026125845.O2774@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Oct 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > ME is your choice for games. Even over XP home edition? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Oct 26 16:24:07 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Need IE to view msn.com? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE06E@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > The virtual desktops are an intriguing feature. Did they > do it 'right'? Similar to anything (FVWM, CDE, KDE,...)? The best virtual desktop for windows is JSPager. I don't have a URL right now, search for it. All other ones I've tried are either unstable, take a ton of memory, or work fine except don't have edge flipping. JSPager is small, fast, has themes, edge flipping, and you can configure how many desktops you have. Jay > > >Just say NO to Product Activation! > > Indeed! > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From natecars at real-time.com Fri Oct 26 16:24:53 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sendmail error, i think In-Reply-To: <3BDAC1D4.21B9656D@mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 27 Oct 2001, Erick Stohr wrote: > Of course there are other Java exceptions, but I am not including those, > I am using JavaMail. I assume this is a sendmail configuration error. > Thanks for any help. you need to change your java code to do: 'ehlo domain.dom' instead of just 'ehlo'. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jstauffer at baldwin-telecom.net Fri Oct 26 17:45:03 2001 From: jstauffer at baldwin-telecom.net (James Stauffer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Need IE to view msn.com? References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE06E@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <3BD9D6C7.2942DC64@baldwin-telecom.net> I like it also: http://hem.fyristorg.com/jspage/ "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > > The virtual desktops are an intriguing feature. Did they > > do it 'right'? Similar to anything (FVWM, CDE, KDE,...)? > > The best virtual desktop for windows is JSPager. I don't have a URL right > now, search for it. All other ones I've tried are either unstable, take a > ton of memory, or work fine except don't have edge flipping. JSPager is > small, fast, has themes, edge flipping, and you can configure how many > desktops you have. > > Jay From dasmeeto at topaz.northcentral.edu Fri Oct 26 18:42:59 2001 From: dasmeeto at topaz.northcentral.edu (David Smeeton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop vendors Message-ID: <7CF5FE538A@topaz.northcentral.edu> I'm looking around for options in terms of buying a notebook without paying the Microsoft tax. I've run into the following difficulties: * VA Linux got out of the hardware business * Penguin Computing doesn't have any notebooks * TuxTops dropped its business to QLITech (which now has only two ~$1650 models) * Dell says they can't do it * Gateway (Ha!) nevermind * IBM supposedly has two models with Caldera preinstalled, but their online sales site doesn't match the information on their linux pages, and I'm not sure I want to pay that much * Compaq doesn't sell any laptops with Linux Anyway, you get the idea. I've even looked at Apples, but they're simply too expensive. Any ideas where I can get a laptop without Windows? Ideally Linux would be preinstalled, but that's not a requirement. Mainly I'm looking for cheap (the closer to the $1000 mark, the better) and good battery life (I'll spring for the heavy duty batteries if they're available)...and naturally hardware support for Linux is a good thing. Am I overlooking any obvious options? Are there any local shops that can do this? Am I doomed to pay MS for the privilege of having a notebook? Thanks for your input, David From tanner at real-time.com Fri Oct 26 19:02:33 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Injecting old mail into the archives gotchas, need help Message-ID: <20011024210426.M26119@real-time.com> I got some of the missing linux kernel archives, but they are in mbox format. I know I can use formail to split them out, but last time I did that from a "remote machine" formail "killed" the box, too many open AF_UNIX connection. (Aside, people who said they would send me their old posts, please still do it, I'll remove duplicates via Message-IDs). Think I was smart, I moved archives to the listserv, so I could inject the old message locally, but that gave me VFS: file-max limit 8192 reached. Since the was the tclug mbox and it was small compared to the linux-kernel mbox I'm sure I'll run into these problems again. Anyway to make formail wait like 5s between sends? This is what I tried last time: cat f1 | formail -d -n 1 -s /usr/lib/sendmail linux-kernel@lists.real-time.com Any help would be appreciated. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From seg at haxxed.mine.nu Fri Oct 26 20:00:24 2001 From: seg at haxxed.mine.nu (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Need IE to view msn.com? References: Message-ID: <3BD9F357.7000301@haxxed.mine.nu> Hvidsten, Leif wrote: > I've been running XP since June or so. I have to agree with what Scott said. There is no doubt that it is faster than Win98 was. If you're a gamer, it's fast and very stable. And, of course, you get a built-in software firewall that will protect from any hacker . Is it any less bloated than 2K? I tried gaming with Win2K on 128mb of RAM, stuff like Half Life/Counter strike and Quake3 ran fine, but Counterstrike took 2-3 times as long to load a level, and Quake3 took several minutes to load a level, compared to the few seconds it takes on 9x/Linux on the same machine. Now Deus Ex was totally unplayable. Constant swapping. From florin at iucha.net Fri Oct 26 20:10:09 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop vendors In-Reply-To: <7CF5FE538A@topaz.northcentral.edu>; from dasmeeto@topaz.northcentral.edu on Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 05:39:29PM -0500 References: <7CF5FE538A@topaz.northcentral.edu> Message-ID: <20011026185147.A23453@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 05:39:29PM -0500, David Smeeton wrote: > I'm looking around for options in terms of buying a notebook without > paying the Microsoft tax. I've run into the following difficulties: > * VA Linux got out of the hardware business > * Penguin Computing doesn't have any notebooks > * TuxTops dropped its business to QLITech (which now has only two > ~$1650 models) > * Dell says they can't do it > * Gateway (Ha!) nevermind > * IBM supposedly has two models with Caldera preinstalled, but their > online sales site doesn't match the information on their linux > pages, and I'm not sure I want to pay that much > * Compaq doesn't sell any laptops with Linux > > Anyway, you get the idea. I've even looked at Apples, but they're > simply too expensive. For around $1000, the best deal is an iBook from Apple. The only drawback I see are the only mouse button and the white keyboard. Other than that they are good value at $1300. > Any ideas where I can get a laptop without > Windows? Ideally Linux would be preinstalled, but that's not a > requirement. Mainly I'm looking for cheap (the closer to the $1000 > mark, the better) and good battery life (I'll spring for the heavy > duty batteries if they're available)...and naturally hardware support > for Linux is a good thing. > > Am I overlooking any obvious options? Are there any local shops that > can do this? Am I doomed to pay MS for the privilege of having a > notebook? On the other hand you might get a refund directly from M$: http://www.netcraft.com.au/geoffrey/toshiba.html but don't base you decision on that alone. A cheap notebook is more likely to give you headaches and it's far harder to fix than an ordinary desktop. Choose wisely, florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I > know I can use formail to split them out, but last time I did that from a > "remote machine" formail "killed" the box, too many open AF_UNIX connection. > > (Aside, people who said they would send me their old posts, please still do it, > I'll remove duplicates via Message-IDs). > > Think I was smart, I moved archives to the listserv, so I could inject the old > message locally, but that gave me VFS: file-max limit 8192 reached. > > Since the was the tclug mbox and it was small compared to the linux-kernel mbox > I'm sure I'll run into these problems again. > > Anyway to make formail wait like 5s between sends? > > This is what I tried last time: > > cat f1 | formail -d -n 1 -s /usr/lib/sendmail linux-kernel@lists.real-time.com > > Any help would be appreciated. Pipe it though procmail and put a delay and a file in the "procmailrc" file you specify in the procmail command line. UNIX: Easy things easy and hard things possible.(*) florin (*) Actual slogan "borrowed" from Perl. -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I > know I can use formail to split them out, but last time I did that from a > "remote machine" formail "killed" the box, too many open AF_UNIX connection. > > (Aside, people who said they would send me their old posts, please still do it, > I'll remove duplicates via Message-IDs). > > Think I was smart, I moved archives to the listserv, so I could inject the old > message locally, but that gave me VFS: file-max limit 8192 reached. > > Since the was the tclug mbox and it was small compared to the linux-kernel mbox > I'm sure I'll run into these problems again. > > Anyway to make formail wait like 5s between sends? > > This is what I tried last time: > > cat f1 | formail -d -n 1 -s /usr/lib/sendmail linux-kernel@lists.real-time.com cat f1 | formail -d -n 1 -s /tmp/sendmail_plus_5s_delay linux-kernel@lists.real-time.com where cat /tmp/sendmail_plus_5s_delay sleep 5 cat - | /usr/lib/sendmail florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011026/f7426a79/attachment.pgp From marc at ds6.net Fri Oct 26 20:15:26 2001 From: marc at ds6.net (Marc A. Ohmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop vendors In-Reply-To: <7CF5FE538A@topaz.northcentral.edu>; from dasmeeto@topaz.northcentral.edu on Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 05:39:29PM -0500 References: <7CF5FE538A@topaz.northcentral.edu> Message-ID: <20011026190646.A19134@flanders.digsol.net> On Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 05:39:29PM -0500, David Smeeton wrote: > I'm looking around for options in terms of buying a notebook without > paying the Microsoft tax. I've run into the following difficulties: > * VA Linux got out of the hardware business > * Penguin Computing doesn't have any notebooks > * TuxTops dropped its business to QLITech (which now has only two http://www.emperorlinux.com Never bought from them but they advertise in the Jounal -- Marc A. Ohmann Digital Solutions, Inc http://ds6.net marc@ds6.net From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Oct 26 20:59:08 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop vendors In-Reply-To: <7CF5FE538A@topaz.northcentral.edu> Message-ID: You could always go to Ebay, you can find some good LapTops there for <$1000. buy with caution though, check the ratings. i got a laptop there about eight months ago and the harddisk failed about five months later... the laptops almost always come with windows, but they they also have a note saying that you should remove windows if you do not have a license...(as people really do that!!!) -munir On Fri, 26 Oct 2001, David Smeeton wrote: > I'm looking around for options in terms of buying a notebook without > paying the Microsoft tax. I've run into the following difficulties: > * VA Linux got out of the hardware business > * Penguin Computing doesn't have any notebooks > * TuxTops dropped its business to QLITech (which now has only two > ~$1650 models) > * Dell says they can't do it > * Gateway (Ha!) nevermind > * IBM supposedly has two models with Caldera preinstalled, but their > online sales site doesn't match the information on their linux > pages, and I'm not sure I want to pay that much > * Compaq doesn't sell any laptops with Linux > > Anyway, you get the idea. I've even looked at Apples, but they're > simply too expensive. Any ideas where I can get a laptop without > Windows? Ideally Linux would be preinstalled, but that's not a > requirement. Mainly I'm looking for cheap (the closer to the $1000 > mark, the better) and good battery life (I'll spring for the heavy > duty batteries if they're available)...and naturally hardware support > for Linux is a good thing. > > Am I overlooking any obvious options? Are there any local shops that > can do this? Am I doomed to pay MS for the privilege of having a > notebook? > > Thanks for your input, > > David > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Oct 26 21:00:06 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Need IE to view msn.com? In-Reply-To: <3BD9F357.7000301@haxxed.mine.nu>; from seg@haxxed.mine.nu on Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 06:35:51PM -0500 References: <3BD9F357.7000301@haxxed.mine.nu> Message-ID: <20011026193717.B2661@chuck.sistina.com> On Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 06:35:51PM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: >I tried gaming with Win2K on 128mb of RAM, stuff like Half Life/Counter >strike and Quake3 ran fine, but Counterstrike took 2-3 times as long to >load a level, and Quake3 took several minutes to load a level, compared >to the few seconds it takes on 9x/Linux on the same machine. With today's RAM prices there's no reason not to buy a 256M stick and call it a day. > >Now Deus Ex was totally unplayable. Constant swapping. > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011026/bcc5d3e5/attachment.pgp From mpaulsen at charter.net Fri Oct 26 21:15:46 2001 From: mpaulsen at charter.net (Mike Paulsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop vendors In-Reply-To: <7CF5FE538A@topaz.northcentral.edu> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20011026192004.02810240@pop.charter.net> http://linuxcertified.com/linux_laptops.html IBM Thinkpad 600 [Refurbished] Price: $749.00 No idea if it's a reasonable price for what you get. At 05:39 PM 10/26/01, you wrote: >I'm looking around for options in terms of buying a notebook without >paying the Microsoft tax. I've run into the following difficulties: > * VA Linux got out of the hardware business > * Penguin Computing doesn't have any notebooks > * TuxTops dropped its business to QLITech (which now has only two >~$1650 models) > * Dell says they can't do it > * Gateway (Ha!) nevermind > * IBM supposedly has two models with Caldera preinstalled, but their >online sales site doesn't match the information on their linux >pages, and I'm not sure I want to pay that much > * Compaq doesn't sell any laptops with Linux (snip) From peter.clark at tides.com Fri Oct 26 22:01:11 2001 From: peter.clark at tides.com (peter.clark@tides.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Peter has a new toy Message-ID: <200110270206.f9R26oc17874@sprite.real-time.com> So I finally got a DiskOnKey today off of Ebay (some guy is selling the 8mb version for $30, which is $15-$20 cheaper than the listed price). And lo and behold, it really does work in Linux. I had been lead to believe that it would show up under /dev/sda1, but instead it is under /dev/sdb1. Maybe that's because I've got a zip drive, which is /dev/sda4. Of course, now that I've got it, the creative juices are running. I'm wondering if I can partition it (ext2/vfat). Or using it as a bootdisk. Or better yet, a mini Linux distro. Does anyone know if most modern BIOSs can boot from USB (since it is essentially a USB mass storage device)? Of coure, my address book and bookmark file goes on there. Now soliciting for cool/neat/practical ideas of what I can do with this thing! :Peter From ray at lctn.k12.mn.us Fri Oct 26 23:05:27 2001 From: ray at lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RT makefile problem Message-ID: <001401c15ea9$54f04140$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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chmod 600 Makefile; /usr/local/bin/cvs2cl.pl \ --no-wrap --follow rt-1-1 --separate-header \ --window 120 cd /tmp; tar czvf /home/ftp/pub/rt/devel/$(TAG).tar.gz $(TAG)/ chmod 644 /home/ftp/pub/rt/devel/$(TAG).tar.gz dist: commit predist rm -rf /home/ftp/pub/rt/devel/rt.tar.gz ln -s ./$(TAG).tar.gz /home/ftp/pub/rt/devel/rt.tar.gz From chrome at real-time.com Sat Oct 27 00:16:00 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Need IE to view msn.com? In-Reply-To: ; from hvidsl@parknicollet.com on Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 01:04:16PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20011026230643.A5508@real-time.com> > I've been running XP since June or so. I have to agree with what Scott >said. There is no doubt that it is faster than Win98 was. but will it run on a 486? win98 would; but if XP won't, then win98 is faster (at least in that case). I tried XP on a P233/96MB here at the office; and IMHO, it was slower than anything else on that box. If you turn off the cycle-wasting new interface stuff (rounded windows and such), and go back to the win2k-ish 'classic' interface; it was about the same as w2k. as for buying more memory... not all memory is obscenely cheap. 72-pin stuff isn't. :) so the upshot as I see it is; that it's not a worthwhile upgrade, unless you have bleeding-edge hardware... and even then; if it's not broke, why fix it? (of course, one could argue that windows is inherently broken...). Microsoft's 'fixes' usually just lead to a different set of problems you have to learn to deal with. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From florin at iucha.net Sat Oct 27 00:28:16 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Peter has a new toy In-Reply-To: <200110270206.f9R26oc17874@sprite.real-time.com>; from peter.clark@tides.com on Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 06:38:51PM -0800 References: <200110270206.f9R26oc17874@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011026233110.A25019@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 06:38:51PM -0800, peter.clark@tides.com wrote: > So I finally got a DiskOnKey today off of Ebay (some guy is > selling the 8mb version for $30, which is $15-$20 cheaper than the > listed price). And lo and behold, it really does work in Linux. I had > been lead to believe that it would show up under /dev/sda1, but instead > it is under /dev/sdb1. Maybe that's because I've got a zip drive, which > is /dev/sda4. > Of course, now that I've got it, the creative juices are > running. I'm wondering if I can partition it (ext2/vfat). Or using it as > a bootdisk. Or better yet, a mini Linux distro. Does anyone know if > most modern BIOSs can boot from USB (since it is essentially a USB mass > storage device)? Of coure, my address book and bookmark file goes on > there. > Now soliciting for cool/neat/practical ideas of what I can do > with this thing! AFAIK this thingie uses flash, and flash memory has a limited number of write cycles. Use it sparingly and back it up often. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Maybe that's because I've got a zip drive, which > > is /dev/sda4. > > Of course, now that I've got it, the creative juices are > > running. I'm wondering if I can partition it (ext2/vfat). Or using it as > > a bootdisk. Or better yet, a mini Linux distro. Does anyone know if > > most modern BIOSs can boot from USB (since it is essentially a USB mass > > storage device)? Of coure, my address book and bookmark file goes on > > there. > > Now soliciting for cool/neat/practical ideas of what I can do > > with this thing! > > AFAIK this thingie uses flash, and flash memory has a limited number of > write cycles. Use it sparingly and back it up often. That's more of a past thing. The majority of flash memory on the market can be written 100,000 to 300,000 times. So even if it is used 10 times a day that still about 30 years of use on the low end (assuming the chip will retain the data for that period of time). With regards to failure their mtbf's are in the 1,000,000 hour range. DiskOnKey specs says it should be able to handle 1,000,000 operations (they don't make a distinction between reading and writing so make of it what you will) Eric From jpschewe at mtu.net Sat Oct 27 03:02:35 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Listserv jammed In-Reply-To: <20011025225233.E2774@real-time.com> References: <20011025225233.E2774@real-time.com> Message-ID: Does this have anything to do with Verizon's phone outage? They've got an outage that's covering most of Minneapolis, so I have no phone! Bob Tanner writes: > Eden Prairie has a power outage which put Real Time into the dark. Lots of > notifications happen when power goes out :-) so -lots- of email are jammed on > the listserv waiting to get pushed out. > > Expect some delay on posts. > > Sorry about this. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From marc at ds6.net Sat Oct 27 10:47:00 2001 From: marc at ds6.net (Marc A. Ohmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] great 2.5 article Message-ID: <20011027095440.A19740@flanders.digsol.net> I came across this today and just had to share it. http://lwn.net/2001/features/KernelSummit/ Its an indepth list of what the main developers would like to see in 2.5 -- Marc A. Ohmann Digital Solutions, Inc http://ds6.net marc@ds6.net From fish at slava.net Sat Oct 27 11:51:05 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mutt again References: <7CF5FE538A@topaz.northcentral.edu> Message-ID: <3BDAD198.20303@slava.net> My sendmail is working so my muttrc must be messed up. Can anyone tell me which lines/commands would affect sending mail? I can still receive so some stuff must be done right. Thanks. Lorry From jim at bleedpurple.com Sat Oct 27 11:57:21 2001 From: jim at bleedpurple.com (BleedPurpleGuy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A good deal (too late, apparently) Message-ID: <006801c15efd$bb674a50$d129a541@host209> Egghead appears to have shutdown most of their operations. Too bad! http://www.egghead.com/ Here's the item I'm excited about: http://www.egghead.com/ShowPage.dll?page=prod_page_p&ItemEDP=154334 It's a Digital Celebris GL 6180 w/ Pentium Pro 180MHz, 32MB, No HD, 8X CD, USB. They call it a mini tower, but there's nothing "mini" about it! The motherboard appears to be proprietary, but possibly an ATX form factor. It has 6 SIMM slots (no DIMM slots), 4 shared ISA / PCI slots and nice thumb-screw removable case cover. I got one for $49.99 a couple of weeks ago. They must have dropped the price in the last week! It is now $29.99 (plus 9.95 to ship ANYTHING)!!! Jim From dd-b at dd-b.net Sat Oct 27 12:02:47 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vi vs. emacs In-Reply-To: <3BCF45F8.F98C5335@usfamily.net> References: <3BCF45F8.F98C5335@usfamily.net> Message-ID: Andrew Nemchenko writes: > What is this bull? VI hands down vi wasn't too badly substandard an editor in the 70s. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / Ghugle: the Fannish Ghod of Queries Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From dsherman at real-time.com Sat Oct 27 12:06:28 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 802.11b (wireless networking) hardware for Linux? Message-ID: <200110271601.f9RG1xk29748@enchanter.real-time.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello everyone, Just wondering if anybody has experience with any 802.11b products under Linux? I am looking at setting up my IBM ThinkPad (laptop) as a wireless client for my home network. I am going through the wireless networking howto, and have read a couple of product reviews, but am looking for personal experiences from anyone who cares to share. Dave - -- Captain's Log, star date 21:34.5... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE72tqRA68l26XsZUYRArW/AJ9o8qB/UrwYh8av8oBVXIvWP4+6AACfeyuR 9PA7Pr6jIhqWmA3Gk5YoQkE= =8D9E -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From blutgens at sistina.com Sat Oct 27 12:58:37 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Need IE to view msn.com? In-Reply-To: <20011026230643.A5508@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 11:06:48PM -0500 References: <20011026230643.A5508@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011027113848.A639@chuck> On Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 11:06:48PM -0500, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: >> I've been running XP since June or so. I have to agree with what Scott >>said. There is no doubt that it is faster than Win98 was. > but will it run on a 486? win98 would; but if XP won't, then win98 >is faster (at least in that case). I tried XP on a P233/96MB here at the >office; and IMHO, it was slower than anything else on that box. If you turn >off the cycle-wasting new interface stuff (rounded windows and such), and go >back to the win2k-ish 'classic' interface; it was about the same as w2k. Yeah, but people love sexy desktops :-) > > as for buying more memory... not all memory is obscenely cheap. >72-pin stuff isn't. :) Yeah, that's probably the case. > > so the upshot as I see it is; that it's not a worthwhile upgrade, >unless you have bleeding-edge hardware... and even then; if it's not broke, >why fix it? (of course, one could argue that windows is inherently >broken...). Microsoft's 'fixes' usually just lead to a different set of >problems you have to learn to deal with. Yes, this is true especially if using samba file servers. Just go ahead and install SP2 on a machine that uses a samba pdc. >Carl Soderstrom >-- >Network Engineer >Real-Time Enterprises >(952) 943-8700 >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc Sysadmin MCSE: Must Consult Someone Experienced -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So much for that... -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Mr. Slippery From blutgens at sistina.com Sat Oct 27 13:00:24 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mutt again In-Reply-To: <3BDAD198.20303@slava.net>; from fish@slava.net on Sat, Oct 27, 2001 at 10:24:08AM -0500 References: <7CF5FE538A@topaz.northcentral.edu> <3BDAD198.20303@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011027114902.C639@chuck> On Sat, Oct 27, 2001 at 10:24:08AM -0500, Lorry wrote: >My sendmail is working so my muttrc must be messed up. Can anyone tell >me which lines/commands would affect sending mail? I can still receive >so some stuff must be done right. Thanks. I'm sorry I haven't been following this thread very well so I may restate some stuff or ask previously asked questions. First: What are errors you're seeing? Second: This is what I have in my .muttrc pertaining to sendmail # This specifies my sender address. set sendmail='/usr/sbin/sendmail -oi -oem -f blutgens@sistina.com' # This tells mutt to background the sending of the mail set sendmail_wait=-1 > >Lorry > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc Sysadmin MCSE: Must Consult Someone Experienced -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011027/90334b89/attachment.pgp From blutgens at sistina.com Sat Oct 27 13:01:21 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 802.11b (wireless networking) hardware for Linux? In-Reply-To: <200110271601.f9RG1xk29748@enchanter.real-time.com>; from dsherman@real-time.com on Sat, Oct 27, 2001 at 11:02:25AM -0500 References: <200110271601.f9RG1xk29748@enchanter.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011027115233.D639@chuck> On Sat, Oct 27, 2001 at 11:02:25AM -0500, Dave Sherman wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >Hello everyone, > >Just wondering if anybody has experience with any 802.11b products under >Linux? I am looking at setting up my IBM ThinkPad (laptop) as a wireless >client for my home network. My best experiences are using a stock linus kernel, and david hinds' pcmcia-cs package. You'll also need wireless tools which are linked off off the pcmcia-cs sourceforge page http://pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net. I must say that FreeBSD is much easier though, the card i have is supported with the default kernel from freebsd-4.4 and all the wep related functions are handled by ifconfig. I actually have a script that runs from pccardd that will detect which wireless network I'm on and set the WEP key, mode, channel etc. > >I am going through the wireless networking howto, and have read a couple >of product reviews, but am looking for personal experiences from anyone >who cares to share. > >Dave >- -- >Captain's Log, star date 21:34.5... >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) >Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > >iD8DBQE72tqRA68l26XsZUYRArW/AJ9o8qB/UrwYh8av8oBVXIvWP4+6AACfeyuR >9PA7Pr6jIhqWmA3Gk5YoQkE= >=8D9E >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc Sysadmin MCSE: Must Consult Someone Experienced -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Remember: in the 70's you would have been lucky to have a system to yourself, or even access to one running anything as easy to use as Unix. If you were lucky enough to have a whole system to yourself it probably wasn't capable of running anything as sophisticated as vi. DOS was the Disk Operating System on an Apple II. The command line was a line number based BASIC interpreter or worse. 480x320 graphics was really good, and only used by scientists and gamers. The IBM PC with MSDOS wasn't due till 81. In the 70's Harddrives were spec'd out in small numbers of Megabytes, memory was allocated by the Kilobyte, and 9600 bd was fast. A typical handheld today is about equivalent to a mid-80's desktop machine, or a mainframe system of the 70's. Having access to a full screen editor of _any_ sort was awesome. vi: it's everywhere you have to be. -- Daniel Taylor From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sat Oct 27 14:24:14 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vi vs. emacs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 27 Oct 2001, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > vi wasn't too badly substandard an editor in the 70s. > substandard my arse, what are you using? MS Word? -munir From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Oct 27 15:26:04 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop vendors Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE072@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> There was an article on either Slashdot or MandrakeForum about a month ago about a vendor shipping with Mandrake 8.1. I think it was HP, but I'm not sure. BTW, everytime someone here mentions laptops, I mention the HP Omnibook 500. It's the only HP laptop worth looking at, and probably the most solid slimtop I've used. And it runs linux great, no funky stuff to get it working (like shared sound/video memory on Sony laptops). And, it has blue LED's. :) -----Original Message----- From: Mike Paulsen [mailto:mpaulsen@charter.net] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 8:03 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Laptop vendors http://linuxcertified.com/linux_laptops.html IBM Thinkpad 600 [Refurbished] Price: $749.00 No idea if it's a reasonable price for what you get. At 05:39 PM 10/26/01, you wrote: >I'm looking around for options in terms of buying a notebook without >paying the Microsoft tax. I've run into the following difficulties: > * VA Linux got out of the hardware business > * Penguin Computing doesn't have any notebooks > * TuxTops dropped its business to QLITech (which now has only two >~$1650 models) > * Dell says they can't do it > * Gateway (Ha!) nevermind > * IBM supposedly has two models with Caldera preinstalled, but their >online sales site doesn't match the information on their linux >pages, and I'm not sure I want to pay that much > * Compaq doesn't sell any laptops with Linux (snip) _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From fish at slava.net Sat Oct 27 15:27:32 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mutt again References: <7CF5FE538A@topaz.northcentral.edu> <3BDAD198.20303@slava.net> <20011027114902.C639@chuck> Message-ID: <3BDB006C.8000202@slava.net> > > >I'm sorry I haven't been following this thread very well so I may restate >some stuff or ask previously asked questions. > It's an old thread. No worries. >First: What are errors you're seeing? > None. The mail just doesn't end up where I send it, unless I send it directly to myself. I'm getting from a POP server and it looks from the headers like it really did get to the POP server before coming back to me. However, if I send to one of my other accounts that forwards to aforementioned POP server, I don't get it. If I send to anyone other than me, it doesn't work. >Second: This is what I have in my .muttrc pertaining to sendmail > ># This specifies my sender address. >set sendmail='/usr/sbin/sendmail -oi -oem -f blutgens@sistina.com' > OK, I put this in, except I changed to my email addres ;) I double checked that something called sendmail really is in /usr/sbin and it is. ># This tells mutt to background the sending of the mail >set sendmail_wait=-1 > I put this in also. Nothing appears to have changed. :/ Lorry From jeffr at odeon.net Sat Oct 27 19:59:40 2001 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop vendors In-Reply-To: <7CF5FE538A@topaz.northcentral.edu> Message-ID: www.discountpcsales.com On Fri, 26 Oct 2001, David Smeeton wrote: > I'm looking around for options in terms of buying a notebook without > paying the Microsoft tax. I've run into the following difficulties: > * VA Linux got out of the hardware business > * Penguin Computing doesn't have any notebooks > * TuxTops dropped its business to QLITech (which now has only two > ~$1650 models) > * Dell says they can't do it > * Gateway (Ha!) nevermind > * IBM supposedly has two models with Caldera preinstalled, but their > online sales site doesn't match the information on their linux > pages, and I'm not sure I want to pay that much > * Compaq doesn't sell any laptops with Linux > > Anyway, you get the idea. I've even looked at Apples, but they're > simply too expensive. Any ideas where I can get a laptop without > Windows? Ideally Linux would be preinstalled, but that's not a > requirement. Mainly I'm looking for cheap (the closer to the $1000 > mark, the better) and good battery life (I'll spring for the heavy > duty batteries if they're available)...and naturally hardware support > for Linux is a good thing. > > Am I overlooking any obvious options? Are there any local shops that > can do this? Am I doomed to pay MS for the privilege of having a > notebook? > > Thanks for your input, > > David > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blutgens at sistina.com Sat Oct 27 21:00:05 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mutt again In-Reply-To: <3BDB006C.8000202@slava.net>; from fish@slava.net on Sat, Oct 27, 2001 at 01:43:56PM -0500 References: <7CF5FE538A@topaz.northcentral.edu> <3BDAD198.20303@slava.net> <20011027114902.C639@chuck> <3BDB006C.8000202@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011027201153.A2508@chuck> On Sat, Oct 27, 2001 at 01:43:56PM -0500, Lorry wrote: >> >> >>I'm sorry I haven't been following this thread very well so I may restate >>some stuff or ask previously asked questions. >> >It's an old thread. No worries. > >>First: What are errors you're seeing? >> >None. The mail just doesn't end up where I send it, unless I send it >directly to myself. I'm getting from a POP server and it looks from the >headers like it really did get to the POP server before coming back to >me. However, if I send to one of my other accounts that forwards to >aforementioned POP server, I don't get it. If I send to anyone other >than me, it doesn't work. tail your logs for your smtp server while you try to send. I'm convinced it's the MTA that's still misbehaving. tail -f /var/log/mail.log <-- will let you watch the log while you send mail. Which smtp server are you using? sendmail? exim? postfix? > >>Second: This is what I have in my .muttrc pertaining to sendmail >> >># This specifies my sender address. >>set sendmail='/usr/sbin/sendmail -oi -oem -f blutgens@sistina.com' >> >OK, I put this in, except I changed to my email addres ;) >I double checked that something called sendmail really is in /usr/sbin >and it is. > >># This tells mutt to background the sending of the mail >>set sendmail_wait=-1 >> >I put this in also. >Nothing appears to have changed. :/ > >Lorry > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc Sysadmin MCSE: Must Consult Someone Experienced -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011027/6c7d6945/attachment.pgp From eng at pinenet.com Sat Oct 27 22:07:49 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need IE to view msn.com? Message-ID: <01C15F2B.2CE32280.eng@pinenet.com> Has anybody else noticed all the pop up advertising windows now when browsing with IE?? Kind of a video telemarketing technology. Annoying as hell. You are fooling yourself if you think you can hide behind a firewall using IE. I finally got Star Office 6.0beta downloaded (but not yet installed). Forget M$. The internet works better without them. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Tanner [SMTP:tanner@real-time.com] Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 6:12 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Need IE to view msn.com? So, Mozilla is not compliant with W3's latest xhtml standard? The info here: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/cn/20011025/tc/msn_com_shuts_out_non-micros oft_browsers_1.html Says that they only let browser in that comply with the latest W3 xhtml standard. I -thought- mozilla represented implementation of the standard. I tried Amaya, got the same warning from msn. Isn't -amaya- the reference implementation? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From greg at guigeeks.com Sat Oct 27 23:31:33 2001 From: greg at guigeeks.com (Greg Rolling) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fwd: "Hackers Beware" On The Road In-Reply-To: <20011024171414.B26119@real-time.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I would definitely attend. I was at the SANS course earlier this year, and Eric Cole is an excellent speaker and seems to know his stuff. I'm afraid it would be $650 per attendee, though. On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Could we get a nice (free) place at the UofM(?) for this presentation? > > If the cost is $650 for unlimited number of people :-), who would be interested > in by like $10-$15 to hear this speaker? > > - -- Greg Rolling GnuPG public key available at http://www.bfhsolutions.com/pubkeys.html "There's no problem we don't have a big enough hammer to fix." - --Pa Rolling -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE723HWEcEnk+U0Hj8RApKeAJ9U5pGSzoJe+cdwtV9aHN9mEA6IOQCfaAWI 3TObl456kernhI/+t+BT228= =wp8S -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From fish at slava.net Sat Oct 27 23:37:52 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mutt again References: <7CF5FE538A@topaz.northcentral.edu> <3BDAD198.20303@slava.net> <20011027114902.C639@chuck> <3BDB006C.8000202@slava.net> <20011027201153.A2508@chuck> Message-ID: <3BDB7621.5090104@slava.net> Ben Lutgens wrote: >tail your logs for your smtp server while you try to send. I'm convinced >it's the MTA that's still misbehaving. > >tail -f /var/log/mail.log <-- will let you watch the log while you send >mail. Which smtp server are you using? sendmail? exim? postfix? > OK I did this (except my mail log has a different name but I am smart and I figured it out!) and I tried sending to two addresses. Both times it said slava.net was a bad host/domain. I don't have my host set as slava.net, I have it set as s3.quintessential.com. The only place slava.net appears is in my email address. So I'm not sure how to fix this. I'm using postfix. Lorry From fertch at mninter.net Sun Oct 28 00:54:02 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dial-up ppp question Message-ID: <200110280455.f9S4tXb22475@gateway3.lawson.com> I've got my modem to where it will dial and connect. I have a block of static IP's assigned from the ISP. When I connect however, I only get the broadcast address, not the IP address I'm assiging to it. options.demand file: # General configuration options for PPPD: lock defaultroute noipdefault modem /dev/ttyS0 230400 crtscts # Uncomment the line below for more verbose error reporting: #debug # If you have a default route already, pppd may require the other side # to authenticate itself, which most ISPs will not do. To work around this, # uncomment the line below. Note that this may have negative side effects # on system security if you allow PPP dialins. See the docs in /usr/doc/ppp* # for more information. #noauth passive asyncmap 0 name "username" ipcp-accept-local ipcp-accept-remote ethernet.address:static.isp.address demand connect "/usr/sbin/chat -v -f /etc/ppp/pppscript" I don't get any error messages, and I can ping my isp's dns by number but not by name. I have both dns servers IP's in my resolv.conf as well as search isp.domain.net. This machine is going to be my gateway/firewall machine. Anyone have any ideas on this? From blutgens at sistina.com Sun Oct 28 09:48:11 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mutt again In-Reply-To: <3BDB7621.5090104@slava.net>; from fish@slava.net on Sat, Oct 27, 2001 at 10:06:09PM -0500 References: <7CF5FE538A@topaz.northcentral.edu> <3BDAD198.20303@slava.net> <20011027114902.C639@chuck> <3BDB006C.8000202@slava.net> <20011027201153.A2508@chuck> <3BDB7621.5090104@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011028080558.A4976@chuck> On Sat, Oct 27, 2001 at 10:06:09PM -0500, Lorry wrote: > >OK I did this (except my mail log has a different name but I am smart >and I figured it out!) and I tried sending to two addresses. Both times >it said slava.net was a bad host/domain. AHA! You need to either tell postfix that it is to relay for slava.net. In all actuality you need the MTA to be setup to relay all mail to relay only for localhost. IN fact you could set it up as a totally promiscuous open relay and then just not open the external port. This is your problem. >I don't have my host set as >slava.net, I have it set as s3.quintessential.com. The only place >slava.net appears is in my email address. So I'm not sure how to fix this. >I'm using postfix. > >Lorry > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc Sysadmin MCSE: Must Consult Someone Experienced -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011028/db195f4c/attachment.pgp From fish at slava.net Sun Oct 28 09:50:19 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DST References: <7CF5FE538A@topaz.northcentral.edu> <3BDAD198.20303@slava.net> <20011027114902.C639@chuck> <3BDB006C.8000202@slava.net> <20011027201153.A2508@chuck> <3BDB7621.5090104@slava.net> Message-ID: <3BDC1FDC.9050901@slava.net> Stupid question of the day: How do I change my clock? From andy at theasis.com Sun Oct 28 11:28:21 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DST In-Reply-To: <3BDC1FDC.9050901@slava.net> Message-ID: > Stupid question of the day: How do I change my clock? use ntpdate as root (or preferably with sudo), ntpdate ntp-1.cso.uiuc.edu that will set your system clock. To write that to your hardware clock, do hwclock --systohc That's the manual approach, and it works fine. But you probably want to run ntpd or xntpd, so that your system automatically updates itself against one or more time servers. To do that you install the package and tweak the .conf file to add the server names. Simple as that. Andy From dsherman at real-time.com Sun Oct 28 11:29:34 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DST In-Reply-To: <3BDC1FDC.9050901@slava.net> References: <7CF5FE538A@topaz.northcentral.edu> <3BDB7621.5090104@slava.net> <3BDC1FDC.9050901@slava.net> Message-ID: <200110281530.f9SFUDk24787@enchanter.real-time.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 28 October 2001 09:10, Lorry spouted off about "[TCLUG] DST": > Stupid question of the day: How do I change my clock? What distro? My Mandrake 8.1 did it automatically... Dave - -- Say many of cameras focused t'us, Our middle-aged shots do us justice. No justice, please, curse ye! We really want mercy: You see, 'tis the justice, disgusts us. -- Thomas H. Hildebrandt -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE73CSaA68l26XsZUYRApJxAKCtrhIjWb/1xyR7XDYRpE4g7oG/cwCg126Z A46yb7kZdvzJuNaXb/YVfFA= =mTLw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From fish at slava.net Sun Oct 28 11:36:43 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mutt again References: <7CF5FE538A@topaz.northcentral.edu> <3BDAD198.20303@slava.net> <20011027114902.C639@chuck> <3BDB006C.8000202@slava.net> <20011027201153.A2508@chuck> <3BDB7621.5090104@slava.net> <20011028080558.A4976@chuck> Message-ID: <3BDC2A50.6070705@slava.net> Ben Lutgens wrote: >AHA! You need to either tell postfix that it is to relay for slava.net. > >In all actuality you need the MTA to be setup to relay all mail to relay >only for localhost. IN fact you could set it up as a totally promiscuous >open relay and then just not open the external port. > >This is your problem. > You lost me. What is all this in layman's terms? Or alternately, what exactly do I have to do now? From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Sun Oct 28 11:44:28 2001 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (Jim Kaufman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DST In-Reply-To: <3BDC1FDC.9050901@slava.net>; from fish@slava.net on Sun, Oct 28, 2001 at 09:10:20AM -0600 References: <7CF5FE538A@topaz.northcentral.edu> <3BDAD198.20303@slava.net> <20011027114902.C639@chuck> <3BDB006C.8000202@slava.net> <20011027201153.A2508@chuck> <3BDB7621.5090104@slava.net> <3BDC1FDC.9050901@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011028103340.A3114@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> On Sun, Oct 28, 2001 at 09:10:20AM -0600, Lorry wrote: > Stupid question of the day: How do I change my clock? > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list What I like to do is run a cron job daily that sets my system time. that is, I have this in root's crontab: 30 6 * * * /usr/sbin/ntpdate time.nist.gov You can run this anytime you want as root and your system time will be correct. To copy this time to your hardware clock, type this: hwclock --systohc Check out 'hwclock --help' for more info on that utility. -- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From destef at destef.com Sun Oct 28 11:50:06 2001 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DST In-Reply-To: <3BDC1FDC.9050901@slava.net> References: <7CF5FE538A@topaz.northcentral.edu> <3BDAD198.20303@slava.net> <20011027114902.C639@chuck> <3BDB006C.8000202@slava.net> <20011027201153.A2508@chuck> <3BDB7621.5090104@slava.net> Message-ID: <200110281641.f9SGf7403585@ernie.destef.com> Assuming linux since this is a linux mailing list.... date [MMDDhhmm[[CC]YY][.ss]] (see date --help) Then dont forget to update your bios clock afterwards by typing "setclock" At 09:10 AM 10/28/01 -0600, you wrote: >Stupid question of the day: How do I change my clock? > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jpschewe at mtu.net Sun Oct 28 11:54:15 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DST In-Reply-To: <3BDC1FDC.9050901@slava.net> References: <7CF5FE538A@topaz.northcentral.edu> <3BDAD198.20303@slava.net> <20011027114902.C639@chuck> <3BDB006C.8000202@slava.net> <20011027201153.A2508@chuck> <3BDB7621.5090104@slava.net> <3BDC1FDC.9050901@slava.net> Message-ID: Linux should change the system clock for you, then you just need to sync the hardware clock with it: /sbin/hwclock --systohc Lorry writes: > Stupid question of the day: How do I change my clock? > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From esper at sherohman.org Sun Oct 28 13:05:12 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DST In-Reply-To: <20011028103340.A3114@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us>; from jmk@kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us on Sun, Oct 28, 2001 at 10:33:40AM -0600 References: <7CF5FE538A@topaz.northcentral.edu> <3BDAD198.20303@slava.net> <20011027114902.C639@chuck> <3BDB006C.8000202@slava.net> <20011027201153.A2508@chuck> <3BDB7621.5090104@slava.net> <3BDC1FDC.9050901@slava.net> <20011028103340.A3114@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Message-ID: <20011028113215.D19071@sherohman.org> On Sun, Oct 28, 2001 at 10:33:40AM -0600, Jim Kaufman wrote: > What I like to do is run a cron job daily that sets my system time. that > is, I have this in root's crontab: > > 30 6 * * * /usr/sbin/ntpdate time.nist.gov At that point, you'd really be better off just running ntpd instead... > You can run this anytime you want as root and your system time will be > correct. To copy this time to your hardware clock, type this: > > hwclock --systohc > > Check out 'hwclock --help' for more info on that utility. I'm fairly certain that ntpdate also updates the hardware clock without requiring the extra step. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Mr. Slippery From list at slushpupie.com Sun Oct 28 13:06:18 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DST In-Reply-To: References: <7CF5FE538A@topaz.northcentral.edu> <3BDC1FDC.9050901@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011028173236.JRUP27661.femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> If you set your hardware clock to GMT, you will never need to set your hardware clock. That is the nice thing about Unix. My dad had to go into work to bring 4 NT servers down for exactly an hour because the applications couldnt handle the duplicate times in one day. Its much easier to just have the clock stay at one time, and only display the local time to the user. Jay On Sunday 28 October 2001 10:56 am, you wrote: > Linux should change the system clock for you, then you just need to sync > the hardware clock with it: > /sbin/hwclock --systohc > > Lorry writes: > > Stupid question of the day: How do I change my clock? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- Q: What does it say on the bottom of Coke cans in North Dakota? A: Open other end. From fish at slava.net Sun Oct 28 13:14:55 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DST References: <7CF5FE538A@topaz.northcentral.edu> <3BDB7621.5090104@slava.net> <3BDC1FDC.9050901@slava.net> <200110281530.f9SFUDk24787@enchanter.real-time.com> Message-ID: <3BDC4136.2010406@slava.net> Thanks to everyone that responded. :) Thanks to the mail-lag I got a lot more responses than I expected, but they were all different so I think that's neat. I learned stuff! I actually cheated and ran Windows so it would do it automatically. Then when I ran Linux again it had already been done, but I am hoping by the next DST I will be Win-Free. For the moment I am still running Slackware, which as far as I can tell does absolutely nothing automatically. I will soon be switching distros, but my 'Distro Switching Assistant' has been busy. Lorry Dave Sherman wrote: >>Stupid question of the day: How do I change my clock? >> > >What distro? My Mandrake 8.1 did it automatically... > >Dave > From gmcdavid at winternet.com Sun Oct 28 15:38:05 2001 From: gmcdavid at winternet.com (Glenn McDavid) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DST In-Reply-To: <3BDC1FDC.9050901@slava.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 28 Oct 2001, Lorry wrote: > Stupid question of the day: How do I change my clock? My Slackware 8.0 system handled the time change automatically. Glenn McDavid mailto:gmcdavid@winternet.com http://www.winternet.com/~gmcdavid From jaredburns at acm.org Sun Oct 28 17:26:45 2001 From: jaredburns at acm.org (Jared Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DST In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004721151211ca1FE1@mail1.mn.rr.com> Does anyone know where your time zone is stored? I'm running MDK 8.1 and I can't believe how terrible the interface for setting your time zone is in KDE. Instead of listing the 4 time zones in the U.S., they list about 50 different cities. Simple enough if you're in EST or PST (choose NY or LA), but trying to guess what cities they included for CST (apparently not Minneapolis) is just rediculous. Argh. - Jared On Sun Oct 28 02:47 pm, you wrote: > On Sun, 28 Oct 2001, Lorry wrote: > > Stupid question of the day: How do I change my clock? > > My Slackware 8.0 system handled the time change automatically. > > Glenn McDavid > mailto:gmcdavid@winternet.com > http://www.winternet.com/~gmcdavid > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Sun Oct 28 19:43:25 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DST In-Reply-To: <004721151211ca1FE1@mail1.mn.rr.com>; from jaredburns@acm.org on Sun, Oct 28, 2001 at 04:51:19PM -0500 References: <004721151211ca1FE1@mail1.mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <20011028175322.A391@trammell.dyndns.org> On Sun, Oct 28, 2001 at 04:51:19PM -0500, Jared Burns wrote: > Does anyone know where your time zone is stored? > > I'm running MDK 8.1 and I can't believe how terrible the interface for > setting your time zone is in KDE. Instead of listing the 4 time zones in the > U.S., they list about 50 different cities. Simple enough if you're in EST or > PST (choose NY or LA), but trying to guess what cities they included for CST > (apparently not Minneapolis) is just rediculous. Argh. > Chicago is in the same time zone as Mpls. -- johntrammell@yahoo.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 240 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011028/e7909094/attachment.pgp From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Sun Oct 28 22:58:22 2001 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 8.1/KDE heavy load Message-ID: Some time ago, I mentioned that my celeron 500 had been acting decidedly pokey since I installed Mandrake 8.1. I'm still puzzled by this, but I have a clue now: I often see kapm-idled eating 30-40+% of CPU when the machine's been idle for a while. My suspicion is that this is the cause of my problem. But I don't have the foggiest idea what this might mean. I see no corresponding heavy hit on disk or network. Any idea what this bugger does? Any idea why it would start to suck so much CPU now? One thing that might, I suppose, be related, is that I installed 8.1 over an old red hat and did not update the .kde subdirectory in my home directory. That's all I can think of. Any suggestions? The opinions expressed in this email are solely those of Robert P. Goldman. They do not represent the opinions or official positions of Honeywell International. From jethro at freakzilla.com Sun Oct 28 23:56:41 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CDRW Message-ID: Hey, In my effots to figure out what the heck my machine's problem is with writing CDs, I'm doing continuous writes on a CDRW. Anyone know if there's a limit to how many times a CDRW can be, well, RW'd? -Yaron -- From fertch at mninter.net Sun Oct 28 23:58:35 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dial-up ppp question References: <200110280455.f9S4tXb22475@gateway3.lawson.com> Message-ID: <3BDC800A.9020709@mninter.net> I know this is the age of dsl and cable, but anyone have any ideas as to what more I need to check/change to get it so that I am able to assign my static IP address? Shawn wrote: > I've got my modem to where it will dial and connect. I have a block > of static IP's assigned from the ISP. When I connect however, I only > get the broadcast address, not the IP address I'm assiging to it. > > options.demand file: > > # General configuration options for PPPD: > lock > defaultroute > noipdefault > modem > /dev/ttyS0 > 230400 > crtscts > # Uncomment the line below for more verbose error reporting: > #debug > # If you have a default route already, pppd may require the other side > # to authenticate itself, which most ISPs will not do. To work around > this, > # uncomment the line below. Note that this may have negative side > effects > # on system security if you allow PPP dialins. See the docs in > /usr/doc/ppp* > # for more information. > #noauth > passive > asyncmap 0 > name "username" > ipcp-accept-local > ipcp-accept-remote > ethernet.address:static.isp.address > demand > connect "/usr/sbin/chat -v -f /etc/ppp/pppscript" > > I don't get any error messages, and I can ping my isp's dns by number > but not by name. I have both dns servers IP's in my resolv.conf as > well as search isp.domain.net. > > This machine is going to be my gateway/firewall machine. Anyone have > any ideas on this? From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Oct 29 02:06:31 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 8.1/KDE heavy load Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE07A@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> kapm-idled is not really taking that cpu. kapm-idled has nothing to do with KDE either, it's the kernel APM daemon, and you cannot disable it unless you recompile your kernel without APM support. You cannot kill it either since it's not a userspace process. This is a well known issue. When a box is idle, kapm will *appear* to take 30-40% of the cpu because it is idling down your processor so it takes less energy. It's not really taking this CPU though. The kernel developers refuse to change the way it works citing that programs that report cpu usage do it wrong, and developers who make cpu usage monitor say that kapm goes about it wrong. I wouldn't worry about it. If it really bothers you, just recompile your kernel without apm support. It doesn't bother me anymore, and my box is usually busy enough to where I don't see it. Most likely your culprit is the .kde directory. I would log out, ctrl-alt-f1 to get console, log in and rm -rf .kde, log out, ctrl-alt-f7 to get back to X, and the log in again. KDE will see that there is no directory there and will create it with the correct settings. You might wanna remove .kderc also. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Robert P. Goldman [mailto:goldman@htc.honeywell.com] Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 9:11 PM To: Linux Users Group Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 8.1/KDE heavy load Some time ago, I mentioned that my celeron 500 had been acting decidedly pokey since I installed Mandrake 8.1. I'm still puzzled by this, but I have a clue now: I often see kapm-idled eating 30-40+% of CPU when the machine's been idle for a while. My suspicion is that this is the cause of my problem. But I don't have the foggiest idea what this might mean. I see no corresponding heavy hit on disk or network. Any idea what this bugger does? Any idea why it would start to suck so much CPU now? One thing that might, I suppose, be related, is that I installed 8.1 over an old red hat and did not update the .kde subdirectory in my home directory. That's all I can think of. Any suggestions? The opinions expressed in this email are solely those of Robert P. Goldman. They do not represent the opinions or official positions of Honeywell International. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org Mon Oct 29 07:54:37 2001 From: josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CDRW In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Yeah, there is. I'll ask my data buddies at work today (I work for Imation, a manufacturer of CDRW media) Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 On Sun, 28 Oct 2001, Yaron wrote: > Hey, > > In my effots to figure out what the heck my machine's problem is with > writing CDs, I'm doing continuous writes on a CDRW. Anyone know if there's > a limit to how many times a CDRW can be, well, RW'd? > > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE73VOTfexLsowstzcRAuMIAJ9xMqZKHyQgkP3AnH8FeMt8TDVCxQCgnhCZ whOCGJae84KaK6JGnYdjfXc= =pLzw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org Mon Oct 29 07:55:34 2001 From: josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CDRW In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Yeah, there is. I'll ask my data buddies at work today (I work for Imation, a manufacturer of CDRW media) Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 On Sun, 28 Oct 2001, Yaron wrote: > Hey, > > In my effots to figure out what the heck my machine's problem is with > writing CDs, I'm doing continuous writes on a CDRW. Anyone know if there's > a limit to how many times a CDRW can be, well, RW'd? > > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE73VOTfexLsowstzcRAuMIAJ9xMqZKHyQgkP3AnH8FeMt8TDVCxQCgnhCZ whOCGJae84KaK6JGnYdjfXc= =pLzw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com Mon Oct 29 10:02:26 2001 From: simeonuj at indivisuallearning.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DST Message-ID: I think that CST is there. IIRC if you scroll down far enough - there at the bottom of the list - you get all the time zones. Or just go w/ Chicago... > Does anyone know where your time zone is stored? > > I'm running MDK 8.1 and I can't believe how terrible the interface for > > setting your time zone is in KDE. Instead of listing the 4 time zones > in the > U.S., they list about 50 different cities. Simple enough if you're in > EST or > PST (choose NY or LA), but trying to guess what cities they included > for CST > (apparently not Minneapolis) is just rediculous. Argh. > sim From hvidsl at parknicollet.com Mon Oct 29 10:17:03 2001 From: hvidsl at parknicollet.com (Hvidsten, Leif) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Need IE to view msn.com? Message-ID: It's actually more bloated than 2K, but it's optimized to boot up faster and load programs quicker. Frequently used programs will be optimized to run quicker as well. I have 256MB of PC160 memory, so I can't comment what it's like with 128; but I've found that it runs everything (Office apps, Visual Studio, Q3A engined games, Unreal Tournament engined games, NOLF, etc.) quicker than W98SE did. Running benchmarks on HD Tach reveals that W98 has better raw hard disk performance (I haven't installed optimized VIA 4-in-1 drivers on XP yet), but I really can't tell much of a visual difference. Basically, I like XP better than 98. Can't comment on W2K as I never ran it that much at home. > -----Original Message----- > From: Callum Lerwick [mailto:seg@haxxed.mine.nu] > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 6:36 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Re: Need IE to view msn.com? > > > Hvidsten, Leif wrote: > > > I've been running XP since June or so. I have to agree > with what Scott said. There is no doubt that it is faster > than Win98 was. If you're a gamer, it's fast and very > stable. And, of course, you get a built-in software firewall > that will protect from any hacker . > > > Is it any less bloated than 2K? > > I tried gaming with Win2K on 128mb of RAM, stuff like Half > Life/Counter > strike and Quake3 ran fine, but Counterstrike took 2-3 times > as long to > load a level, and Quake3 took several minutes to load a > level, compared > to the few seconds it takes on 9x/Linux on the same machine. > > Now Deus Ex was totally unplayable. Constant swapping. > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > PRIVACY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain business confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If this e-mail was not intended for you, please notify the sender by reply e-mail that you received this in error. Destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. From molivier1 at excite.com Mon Oct 29 10:24:58 2001 From: molivier1 at excite.com (Marc Olivier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] driver installation and apache web server Message-ID: <1418929.1004369409631.JavaMail.imail@squealer.excite.com> Hello all. I purchased an AMD-Duron based motherboard with built-in LAN, soundcard and oddball little modem (Unimodem?) that came with. When I installed Suse Linux 6.4 on it, none of these were recognized, and even though I installed from the CDs, I got an error message in the YAST 2 screen saying something about the CD was not ok. Ok. Assuming I can find drivers for one of the many NICs I have laying around, how do I load drivers for them (since none of these were recognized, either), and where do I load the drivers? Next, I got errors concerning my Apache Web server during boot-up. Considering I'm switching over from being a Windows 95 oriented end-user, I don't know what the stuff is about the IP settings, and I monkeyed around with DHCP and something else, then read somewhere I didn't have the necessary configuration for (or the need for) DHCP. Isn't this stuff supposed to be on an online manual somewhere, and if so, how do I get to it? Thanks, Marc. _______________________________________________________ http://inbox.excite.com From esper at sherohman.org Mon Oct 29 10:28:24 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DST In-Reply-To: ; from simeonuj@indivisuallearning.com on Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 08:13:46AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011029093851.B25938@sherohman.org> On Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 08:13:46AM -0600, Simeon Johnston wrote: > I think that CST is there. IIRC if you scroll down far enough - there > at the bottom of the list - you get all the time zones. The correct timezone is CST6CDT. If plain CST is an option, I would expect choosing it to make you do DST changes manually. CST6CDT takes care of itself. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Mr. Slippery From natecars at real-time.com Mon Oct 29 10:29:38 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 802.11b (wireless networking) hardware for Linux? In-Reply-To: <200110271601.f9RG1xk29748@enchanter.real-time.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 27 Oct 2001, Dave Sherman wrote: > Just wondering if anybody has experience with any 802.11b products under > Linux? I am looking at setting up my IBM ThinkPad (laptop) as a wireless > client for my home network. > > I am going through the wireless networking howto, and have read a couple > of product reviews, but am looking for personal experiences from anyone > who cares to share. First of all, join the TCWUG list; all wireless, all the time. (not that anyone talks much.. heh!) I've personally used cards with the Prism2 chipset, and Cisco cards. The Prism2 cards don't have drivers built into the pcmcia-cs package, but once you compile up their drivers, they work just great. The Cisco cards have everything you need built right into the card utilities. If you go a AiroNet 350, you also get a much higher transmit power, although the cards are more money. Specific cards I've used: Zcomax XI-300 (Prism2 card; external antenna connectors) Leartery LN101 (Prism2 card; got of of 'em, cost me $30/ea, identical to the SMC2632W's in every way) Cisco AIR-PCM342US Cisco AIR-PCM352US (Bob's card) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From chrome at real-time.com Mon Oct 29 11:47:29 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DST In-Reply-To: <20011028103340.A3114@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us>; from jmk@kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us on Sun, Oct 28, 2001 at 10:33:40AM -0600 References: <7CF5FE538A@topaz.northcentral.edu> <3BDAD198.20303@slava.net> <20011027114902.C639@chuck> <3BDB006C.8000202@slava.net> <20011027201153.A2508@chuck> <3BDB7621.5090104@slava.net> <3BDC1FDC.9050901@slava.net> <20011028103340.A3114@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Message-ID: <20011029095910.C28280@real-time.com> a number of people have suggested: > hwclock --systohc but to provide some variety, I'll mention that I learned to do: clock -w -u (which seems to be a redhat-ism) the portable version is: hwclock -w -u the -w is the same as --systohc, and the -u is for UTC (GMT). if you're dual-booting between Windows and linux, tho; don't set your system clock to GMT, as Windows can't handle offsetting that to your local time, so you have to leave your system clock set to local time. :( Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Mon Oct 29 11:49:36 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] driver installation and apache web server In-Reply-To: <1418929.1004369409631.JavaMail.imail@squealer.excite.com>; from molivier1@excite.com on Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 07:30:09AM -0800 References: <1418929.1004369409631.JavaMail.imail@squealer.excite.com> Message-ID: <20011029100405.A9417@trammell.dyndns.org> On Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 07:30:09AM -0800, Marc Olivier wrote: > Hello all. > I purchased an AMD-Duron based motherboard with built-in LAN, soundcard and > oddball little modem (Unimodem?) that came with. When I installed Suse Linux > 6.4 on it, none of these were recognized, and even though I installed from > the CDs, I got an error message in the YAST 2 screen saying something about > the CD was not ok. Ok. > > Assuming I can find drivers for one of the many NICs I have laying around, > how do I load drivers for them (since none of these were recognized, > either), and where do I load the drivers? > http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Ethernet-HOWTO.html I'd say one of your first tasks is to find out exactly what sort of ethernet you have. Hope you kept the documentation! > Next, I got errors concerning my Apache Web server during boot-up. > Considering I'm switching over from being a Windows 95 oriented end-user, I > don't know what the stuff is about the IP settings, and I monkeyed around > with DHCP and something else, then read somewhere I didn't have the > necessary configuration for (or the need for) DHCP. Isn't this stuff > supposed to be on an online manual somewhere, and if so, how do I get to it? http://www.linuxdoc.org/LDP/nag2/index.html also (just for general usage) http://www.linuxdoc.org/ -- johntrammell@yahoo.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Get either a new version of SuSe, or switch to RH/Debian.. > Assuming I can find drivers for one of the many NICs I have laying around, > how do I load drivers for them (since none of these were recognized, > either), and where do I load the drivers? Not sure in Suse. :) > Next, I got errors concerning my Apache Web server during boot-up. > Considering I'm switching over from being a Windows 95 oriented end-user, I > don't know what the stuff is about the IP settings, and I monkeyed around > with DHCP and something else, then read somewhere I didn't have the > necessary configuration for (or the need for) DHCP. Isn't this stuff > supposed to be on an online manual somewhere, and if so, how do I get to it? Probably because it doesn't know about your IP address. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From chrome at real-time.com Mon Oct 29 12:15:28 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] driver installation and apache web server In-Reply-To: <1418929.1004369409631.JavaMail.imail@squealer.excite.com>; from molivier1@excite.com on Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 07:30:09AM -0800 References: <1418929.1004369409631.JavaMail.imail@squealer.excite.com> Message-ID: <20011029102236.D28280@real-time.com> > I purchased an AMD-Duron based motherboard with built-in LAN, soundcard and > oddball little modem (Unimodem?) that came with. When I installed Suse Linux > 6.4 on it, none of these were recognized, I'd suggest getting a more recent distro than SuSE 6.4. it's positively ancient. (over a year old, I think). my advice would be to try RedHat 7.2; or Debian. Some will advise Mandrake 8.1 or something similar. here's my take on the tradeoffs: RedHat/Mandrake -- easy to install, easy to use. Debian -- easy to update and find/install new software. RedHat/Mandrake are good distros for first-time users; they do a lot of hand-holding stuff. (downright insipidly so in the case of Mandrake). Once you learn how linux works, tho; Debian's package management/installation tools (apt -- Advanced Package Tool) makes it the easiest distribution (of any OS!) to install/update software for. (of course, many will disagree with this). Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From tanner at real-time.com Mon Oct 29 13:07:38 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 802.11b (wireless networking) hardware for Linux? In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 09:40:45AM -0600 References: <200110271601.f9RG1xk29748@enchanter.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011029112421.G21853@real-time.com> Quoting Nate Carlson (natecars@real-time.com): > Specific cards I've used: > > Zcomax XI-300 (Prism2 card; external antenna connectors) > Leartery LN101 (Prism2 card; got of of 'em, cost me $30/ea, identical to > the SMC2632W's in every way) > Cisco AIR-PCM342US > Cisco AIR-PCM352US (Bob's card) I can't say enough about the AiroNet cards. In fact, I did my complete wireless specialization test using the AiroNet cards and linux. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From michael.arolan at excite.com Mon Oct 29 13:32:51 2001 From: michael.arolan at excite.com (Michael Arolan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Partitions and File System Message-ID: <18403345.1004378530176.JavaMail.imail@zero.excite.com> HI, I have a Dell 1400 intel-based server with 2 slots of 9 Gig hard drive. I installed Redhat Linux 7.0 on this server and used the automatic disk partitioning option during installation. When I checked the size of the hard disk using the "df" command, I only saw 9 Gig instead of 18 Gig. I think the Linux installation only used the first 9 Gig disk slot. My questions are: 1) How can I check the total size of my hard disk in Redhat Linux? I know about the df command, is there another way? Is the df command the proper way to check the size of a hard disk in Linux? 2) How can I get Linux to use the entire hard disk space (18 Gig) short of re-installing and selecting the manually partitioning option - this is something I just thought of but it seems too drastic, there must surely be another way! 3) How can I control which directories are mounted on different partitions e.g /u01 on a different partition to /u02 e.t.c? I am planning to use this box as a database server but need to be able to control the size of the partitions so that I can decide which datafiles resides on which partitions. Don't hold back even if your solution requires re-installation or starting all over again. Please let me know if you have any ideas! Regards Michael _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ From jamie at getsetnet.net Mon Oct 29 13:43:38 2001 From: jamie at getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GULP! Linux Update withholds Security details amid DMCA fears Message-ID: What effect could something like this have on open-source? Seems like it could have devastating repercussions. http://www.securityfocus.com/news/274 -- "It's pretty hard to stop a man who eats his toast every morning." From phil at rephil.org Mon Oct 29 14:10:45 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (phil@rephil.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vi vs. emacs In-Reply-To: ; from dante@plethora.net on Sat, Oct 27, 2001 at 12:35:14PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20011029105751.A7960@rephil.org> On Sat, Oct 27, 2001 at 12:35:14PM -0500, Daniel Taylor wrote: > On 27 Oct 2001, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > > Andrew Nemchenko writes: > > > > > What is this bull? VI hands down > > > > vi wasn't too badly substandard an editor in the 70s. > > > > Ahem, vi was a darn good improvement over ed if you had the access > to use it. The screen redraws were a bit much if you had 1200 > baud dialup, but it could be used quite nicely on a 9600 bd > local terminal. You're mixing your time periods -- 1200 baud was pretty sexy for most of the 70's. I think 300 baud was the most likely. Probably on a Racal-Vadic modem with an acoustic coupler! > Remember: in the 70's you would have been lucky to have a system > to yourself, or even access to one running anything as easy to > use as Unix. That's hardly true. Unix was originally a hack on a pdp, but that's not because DEC's commercial OS's were inadequate. They were very good, and as easy to use as any modern text based shell -- just too expensive fore personal use. > If you were lucky enough to have a whole system > to yourself it probably wasn't capable of running anything as > sophisticated as vi. DOS was the Disk Operating System on an Apple > II. In '79 - only barely qualifies as the 70's. Plenty of pdp-8 for single user use could run emacs/vi/TECO, or some equivalent editor. > The command line was a line number based BASIC interpreter or worse. > 480x320 graphics was really good, and only used by scientists and > gamers. The IBM PC with MSDOS wasn't due till 81. You've forgotten entirely about Altair and all the CP/M systems out there. > In the 70's Harddrives were spec'd out in small numbers of Megabytes, > memory was allocated by the Kilobyte, and 9600 bd was fast. Yes, but they weren't bloated -- one could implement an accounting package for a mid-sized company in 8k of memory. Really! > A typical handheld today is about equivalent to a mid-80's desktop > machine, or a mainframe system of the 70's. Only in terms of processor power, not in usefulness. It seems to me that the relationship is something like P*B=1 where P is power, subject to increases following Moore's law, and B is bloat, due to trying to add "idiot friendliness." ;) > Having access to a full screen editor of _any_ sort was awesome. agreed, but it's all a matter of context. A line editor is pretty cool when you're used to coding by hand then typing it onto punch cards and debugging as a series of batch jobs. Phil "Do not fold, spindle, or mutilate" Mendelsohn ;) From josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org Mon Oct 29 14:40:22 2001 From: josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CDRW In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Okey dokey. The media may be RWed 1000+ times. The hardware (Imation's anyway) has a MTBF of 30,000 with a 25% use cycle. So doing the math that's ~312 days of 24/7 operation. Or, actually more since you would have to stop for eject/inserts ;-) So how long does it take you to W a RW media? I can't even remember the last time I even used a RW media though my drive will write to those. Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, Joshua b. Jore wrote: > --[PinePGP]--------------------------------------------------[begin]-- > Yeah, there is. I'll ask my data buddies at work today (I work for > Imation, a manufacturer of CDRW media) > > Joshua Jore > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > > On Sun, 28 Oct 2001, Yaron wrote: > > > Hey, > > > > In my effots to figure out what the heck my machine's problem is with > > writing CDs, I'm doing continuous writes on a CDRW. Anyone know if there's > > a limit to how many times a CDRW can be, well, RW'd? > > > > > > -Yaron > > > > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > --[PinePGP]----------------------------------------------------------- > gpg: Signature made Mon Oct 29 07:03:15 2001 CST using DSA key ID 8C2CB737 > gpg: Good signature from "Joshua b. Jore " > --[PinePGP]----------------------------------------------------[end]-- > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE73azYfexLsowstzcRArbiAKCLRf5juYP/+Dopv0rGUIR5Mj3GdgCfa71M Ct3T/Gld1Grdd98ehAk1gEs= =opmh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org Mon Oct 29 14:41:23 2001 From: josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DST In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 It is as US/Central. Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, Simeon Johnston wrote: > I think that CST is there. IIRC if you scroll down far enough - there > at the bottom of the list - you get all the time zones. > Or just go w/ Chicago... > > > Does anyone know where your time zone is stored? > > > > I'm running MDK 8.1 and I can't believe how terrible the interface for > > > > setting your time zone is in KDE. Instead of listing the 4 time zones > > in the > > U.S., they list about 50 different cities. Simple enough if you're in > > EST or > > PST (choose NY or LA), but trying to guess what cities they included > > for CST > > (apparently not Minneapolis) is just rediculous. Argh. > > > sim > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE73azwfexLsowstzcRAuVvAKDKiePN8nmvYwd57egrDK3DvnjNfgCfbZ+T 7ZZF6N7xdO3bcTtkMQOKpiU= =iWI0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kent at structural-wood.com Mon Oct 29 15:52:15 2001 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vi vs. emacs References: <20011029105751.A7960@rephil.org> Message-ID: <3BDDB8BC.FC7C6707@structural-wood.com> phil@rephil.org wrote: > > On Sat, Oct 27, 2001 at 12:35:14PM -0500, Daniel Taylor wrote: > > On 27 Oct 2001, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > > > > Andrew Nemchenko writes: > > > > > > > What is this bull? VI hands down > > > > > > vi wasn't too badly substandard an editor in the 70s. > > > > > > > Ahem, vi was a darn good improvement over ed if you had the access > > to use it. The screen redraws were a bit much if you had 1200 > > baud dialup, but it could be used quite nicely on a 9600 bd > > local terminal. > > You're mixing your time periods -- 1200 baud was pretty sexy for most > of the 70's. I think 300 baud was the most likely. Probably on a > Racal-Vadic modem with an acoustic coupler! > I would have killed for 300 baud. I played (and finished) Adventure at 110 baud. I'll never forget the tension as you realized the axe had been thrown, and then had to wait a while for the sentence to finish being transmitted to see if you had survived... I'm too old to live... Kent From florin at iucha.net Mon Oct 29 16:06:20 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Partitions and File System In-Reply-To: <18403345.1004378530176.JavaMail.imail@zero.excite.com>; from michael.arolan@excite.com on Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 10:02:10AM -0800 References: <18403345.1004378530176.JavaMail.imail@zero.excite.com> Message-ID: <20011029144236.A16374@beaver.iucha.org> On Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 10:02:10AM -0800, Michael Arolan wrote: > HI, > > I have a Dell 1400 intel-based server with 2 slots of 9 Gig hard drive. I ^^^^^ You mean partitions? > installed Redhat Linux 7.0 on this server and used the automatic disk > partitioning option during installation. When I checked the size of the > hard disk using the "df" command, I only saw 9 Gig instead of 18 Gig. I > think the Linux installation only used the first 9 Gig disk slot. My > questions are: > > 1) How can I check the total size of my hard disk in Redhat Linux? I know > about the df command, is there another way? Is the df command the proper > way to check the size of a hard disk in Linux? The size of the partitions, with fdisk. fdisk -l /dev/ will give you the size of the partitions. The size of the mounted filesystems you can find with df. > 2) How can I get Linux to use the entire hard disk space (18 Gig) short of > re-installing and selecting the manually partitioning option - this is > something I just thought of but it seems too drastic, there must surely be > another way! Create the partitions/filesystems you want and mount it where appropriate. Assuming you have an unused partition on your harddrive /dev/hda, be it /dev/hda2, you could: mke2fs /dev/hda2 mkdir /u01 mount /dev/hda2 /u01 Or add the following entry in /etc/fstab: /dev/hda2 /u01 ext2 defaults 1 2 > 3) How can I control which directories are mounted on different partitions > e.g /u01 on a different partition to /u02 e.t.c? I am planning to use this > box as a database server but need to be able to control the size of the > partitions so that I can decide which datafiles resides on which partitions. By creating different partitions and using the answer from the second question. > Don't hold back even if your solution requires re-installation or starting > all over again. On the other hand, if you want to use the box as a database server you might want to make partitions for / /usr /usr/local /var /tmp /home /boot + your partitions for the database program and files. If the box will be only a database server, I can recommand the following sizes: /dev/hda1 / 256 Mb /dev/hda2 /boot 32 Mb /dev/hda3 swap 2 x sizeof(RAM) /dev/hda4 extended /dev/hdaX /tmp ??? /dev/hda5 /var 128 Mb /dev/hda6 /home 128 Mb /dev/hda7 /usr 1 Gb /dev/hda8 /usr/local 1 Gb /dev/hda9,10,11 /u01,u02,u03 the rest /tmp is "grayed" because you might want to use the tmpfs file system which will use some RAM but is very fast. It is available in kernel 2.4 series. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011029/b2eae7ad/attachment.pgp From hvidsl at parknicollet.com Mon Oct 29 16:47:55 2001 From: hvidsl at parknicollet.com (Hvidsten, Leif) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vi vs. emacs Message-ID: > > Only in terms of processor power, not in usefulness. It seems to me > that the relationship is something like > > P*B=1 > > where P is power, subject to increases following Moore's law, and B is > bloat, due to trying to add "idiot friendliness." ;) > I'm no mathematician but shouldn't it be P/B = 1? That way as power increases, so does bloated code essentially maintaining a value close to 1. PRIVACY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain business confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If this e-mail was not intended for you, please notify the sender by reply e-mail that you received this in error. Destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Oct 29 16:49:23 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CDRW In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey, On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, Joshua b. Jore wrote: > Okey dokey. The media may be RWed 1000+ times. The hardware (Imation's > anyway) has a MTBF of 30,000 with a 25% use cycle. So doing the math > that's ~312 days of 24/7 operation. Or, actually more since you would > have to stop for eject/inserts ;-) Heh, the 1000+ was the statistic I was looking for, thanks. > So how long does it take you to W a RW media? About 6 minutes I think. It writes RW at x10 and R at x12. Doesn't matter though, it seems ot ALWAYS be able to write to RW, and occasionally dies on regular CDRs. And by occasionally I mean 3 out of 5 times I get a coaster, despite USING A DIFFERENT FRIGGIN DRIVE. And I get the same SCSI errors despite USING AN ATAPI drive. I'd like to say it works under Windows but Windows won't even write to this drive. Well, CDRWin won't, anyway. -Yaron -- From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Mon Oct 29 17:13:44 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] old guy rants (was vi vs. emacs) In-Reply-To: <3BDDB8BC.FC7C6707@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: I remember checking out from the CS dept a tty with an acoustic coupler at 110 baud (must have been about 1973/74). We used to have to be careful when we put it in the cradle, otherwise the background noise would confuse it. I was supposed to be programming in Fortran on the PDP-11, but I found it much more fun to play Star Trek. The tty weighed a lot, but the box of paper you carried definitely kept the whole thing from being considered portable :) One of my best friends built an Altair 8080, he even managed to get a free upgrade to 4K (I think, maybe it was 2K) by writing a program that allowed you to play battleship against the computer. He had to be careful though, his daughter liked to play with the paper tape that he punched all the programs on :) |> |> You're mixing your time periods -- 1200 baud was pretty sexy for most |> of the 70's. I think 300 baud was the most likely. Probably on a |> Racal-Vadic modem with an acoustic coupler! |> |I would have killed for 300 baud. I played (and finished) Adventure |at 110 baud. I'll never forget the tension as you realized the axe |had been thrown, and then had to wait a while for the sentence to |finish being transmitted to see if you had survived... | |I'm too old to live... |Kent |_______________________________________________ |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, |Minnesota |http://www.mn-linux.org |tclug-list@mn-linux.org |https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list | From amy at real-time.com Mon Oct 29 17:15:37 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problem installing gabber Message-ID: <20011029161243.A2004@real-time.com> trying to install gabber on a RH 7.2 box. [root@lynx tmp]# rpm -Uhv gabber-0.8.4-1_rh7.i386.rpm error: failed dependencies: libcrypto.so.1 is needed by gabber-0.8.4-1_rh7 libssl.so.1 is needed by gabber-0.8.4-1_rh7 according to gabber's website, you just need openssl >=0.95a, which i have: [root@lynx tmp]# rpm -q openssl openssl-0.9.6b-8 however, it apparently installs libcrypto.so.0.9.6b: [root@lynx tmp]# rpm -ql openssl | grep crypto /lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.6b what do i need to do to get libcrypto.so.1? thx. thanks. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Oct 29 17:24:39 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vi vs. emacs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, Hvidsten, Leif wrote: > I'm no mathematician but shouldn't it be P/B = 1? That way as power increases, so does bloated code essentially maintaining a value close to 1. You are correct. Power and bloat are proportional, whereas the original poster suggested that poer and bloat are inversely proportional. If they were inverse, I'd never need to upgrade and life would be good. -Brian From mglaser at umn.edu Mon Oct 29 17:57:01 2001 From: mglaser at umn.edu (Michael Glaser) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.2 LILO and/or GRUB boot problem Message-ID: <3BDD83D9.30078.1DE6C58@localhost> I am having problems getting my new install of Red Hat 7.2 to boot from the hard drive. I performed a pretty basic install and everything appeared to go well. The system will only boot from the boot floppy however. I have three drives in the system. The boot drive is an 8.4 GB IDE drive on the primary IDE channel as hda. The other two are newer ATA/100 drives on the IDE1 channel of a Promise/Maxtor controller card. These are set up as hde and hdf. When booting from the hard drive, the floppy light comes on, and I see a blinking underscore character in the upper left corner of the screen. The system becomes totally unresponsive at this point. Even when placing a boot floppy in the drive. After running lilo and grub-install numerous times, I started to think the the master boot sector was not being written at all. With each attempt to write a new MBR, the results were exactly the same - only the blinking underscore. Just for the hell of it, I booted with a Win95 boot disk and run fdisk /mbr to write a new boot sector. After doing that I am now getting the standard "Operating system is missing" error that DOS/Windows displays when it cannot find a Win partition. I now know that a new MBR had been written. Each time I have run either lilo or grub-install, I still get the same message that appeared after using the Windows boot disk to write the MBR. I am thinking that neither lilo nor grub is able to write the MBR for some reason. Would anyone know why? Following is my lilo.conf, grub.conf, and fstab files. I wouldn't think it would matter, but previous to this install, I had the drive that is now supposed to be my boot disk set up as a master drive on a secondary IDE channel with lilo placed on the beginng of the drive instead of on the MBR (I used a different drive as my primary with the NT bootloader to either load NT or lilo --> linux ). Like an idiot, I upgraded the kernel with the rpm found on the Red Hat Updates site before getting this boot problem fixed. Now when booting with the boot disk I get a bunch of errors because the modules for the old kernel are not on the HDD. If anyone can figure out what is going on, I could really use a hand. Thanks Mike Glaser ========================= lilo.conf ========================= timeout=10 default=linux boot=/dev/hda map=/boot/map install=/boot/boot.b message=/boot/message linear image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.9-7 label=linux initrd=/boot/initrd-2.4.9-7.img read-only root=/dev/hda2 ========================= ========================= /etc/fstab ========================= LABEL=/ / ext3 defaults 1 1 LABEL=/boot /boot ext3 defaults 1 2 none /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 LABEL=/home /home ext3 defaults 1 2 LABEL=/max1 /max1 ext3 defaults 1 2 LABEL=/max2 /max2 ext3 defaults 1 2 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 /dev/hda3 swap swap defaults 0 0 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom iso9660 noauto,owner,kudzu,ro 0 0 /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto noauto,owner,kudzu 0 0 ========================= ========================= /boot/grub/grub.conf ========================= # grub.conf generated by anaconda # # Note that you do not have to rerun grub after making changes to this file # NOTICE: You have a /boot partition. This means that # all kernel and initrd paths are relative to /boot/, eg. # root (hd0,0) # kernel /vmlinuz-version ro root=/dev/hda2 # initrd /initrd-version.img # boot=/dev/hda default=0 timeout=10 splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz password --md5 xxxxxx title Red Hat Linux (2.4.9-7) root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.9-7 ro root=/dev/hda2 initrd /initrd-2.4.9-7.img ========================= From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Oct 29 18:04:41 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problem installing gabber In-Reply-To: <20011029161243.A2004@real-time.com> References: <20011029161243.A2004@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011029165623.2f505c93.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Amy Tanner wrote: > > trying to install gabber on a RH 7.2 box. > > [root@lynx tmp]# rpm -Uhv gabber-0.8.4-1_rh7.i386.rpm > error: failed dependencies: > libcrypto.so.1 is needed by gabber-0.8.4-1_rh7 > libssl.so.1 is needed by gabber-0.8.4-1_rh7 [snip] > [root@lynx tmp]# rpm -ql openssl | grep crypto > /lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.6b > > what do i need to do to get libcrypto.so.1? thx. You can try just forcing an install, then going into /lib and creating new symlinks libcrypto.so.1 -> libcrypto.so.0.9.6b libssl.so.1 -> libssl.so.0.9.6b Running `ldd $(which gabber)' at the command line will tell you if gabber can find the libraries or not. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ #define EWOK /* Aliens / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ sighted */ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So doing the math > that's ~312 days of 24/7 operation. Or, actually more since you would > have to stop for eject/inserts ;-) Heh, the 1000+ was the statistic I was looking for, thanks. > So how long does it take you to W a RW media? About 6 minutes I think. It writes RW at x10 and R at x12. Doesn't matter though, it seems ot ALWAYS be able to write to RW, and occasionally dies on regular CDRs. And by occasionally I mean 3 out of 5 times I get a coaster, despite USING A DIFFERENT FRIGGIN DRIVE. And I get the same SCSI errors despite USING AN ATAPI drive. I'd like to say it works under Windows but Windows won't even write to this drive. Well, CDRWin won't, anyway. -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drake+tclug at lemongecko.org Mon Oct 29 19:34:24 2001 From: drake+tclug at lemongecko.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.2 LILO and/or GRUB boot problem In-Reply-To: <3BDD83D9.30078.1DE6C58@localhost> References: <3BDD83D9.30078.1DE6C58@localhost> Message-ID: <20011029175136.A3738@lemongecko.org> On Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 04:29PM -0600, Michael Glaser wrote: > I am thinking that neither lilo nor grub is able to write the MBR for > some reason. Everything looks okay in your config files, but I would suggest not trying both lilo and grub -- pick one and try to get it working. Having three programs (the Win bootloader, lilo and grub) competing for control of your MBR is probably worse than just two. I'd say grub, because I like grub. You might have to go into a grub shell and do an install command -- something like "install (hd0)" (don't quote me on that; RTFM etc.) That's what puts the magic grub goodness into your MBR, so make sure you're doing that. If you haven't done anything special with your RedHat installation, you might try reinstalling if you can't get anywhere. But reinstallation is the Windows way to solve a problem... :) Dan -- | 4699 BDCB B1A5 28B6 7F8A F8DF EB6A BC2A B0A1 99BF (GPG) | Dan Drake | http://lemongecko.org/drake/ | public key: email -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've had the same problem with PNY, TDK, Sony, cool Black Memorex ones and generic CompUSA, leading me to believe there's something in my computer. -Yaron -- From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Oct 29 20:06:58 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] spammers die Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE08C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Does anyone have a good way to track down the owners of myfinanceinfo.com, postmasterpro.net, listprofessional.com, and professilist.com? They are doing things which are making my day miserable. All of their contact info is fake, and their hosting providers ignore my emails. Jay From seg at haxxed.mine.nu Mon Oct 29 20:25:33 2001 From: seg at haxxed.mine.nu (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problem installing gabber References: <20011029161243.A2004@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3BDDE309.20807@haxxed.mine.nu> Amy Tanner wrote: > trying to install gabber on a RH 7.2 box. > > [root@lynx tmp]# rpm -Uhv gabber-0.8.4-1_rh7.i386.rpm > error: failed dependencies: > libcrypto.so.1 is needed by gabber-0.8.4-1_rh7 > libssl.so.1 is needed by gabber-0.8.4-1_rh7 > > > according to gabber's website, you just need openssl >=0.95a, which > i have: > > [root@lynx tmp]# rpm -q openssl > openssl-0.9.6b-8 > > however, it apparently installs libcrypto.so.0.9.6b: > > [root@lynx tmp]# rpm -ql openssl | grep crypto > /lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.6b > > > what do i need to do to get libcrypto.so.1? thx. > > thanks. > Try making a symlink from /lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.6b to /lib/libcrypto.so.1 rpm still may not pick up on the symlink, so you may have to use --nodeps Though personally I'd first grab the src.rpm first and compile my own RPMs if possible. ;P From florin at iucha.net Mon Oct 29 20:32:09 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.2 LILO and/or GRUB boot problem In-Reply-To: <3BDD83D9.30078.1DE6C58@localhost>; from mglaser@umn.edu on Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 04:29:13PM -0600 References: <3BDD83D9.30078.1DE6C58@localhost> Message-ID: <20011029182048.C16374@beaver.iucha.org> On Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 04:29:13PM -0600, Michael Glaser wrote: > Just for the hell of it, I booted with a Win95 boot disk and run fdisk > /mbr to write a new boot sector. After doing that I am now getting > the standard "Operating system is missing" error that > DOS/Windows displays when it cannot find a Win partition. I now > know that a new MBR had been written. Each time I have run either > lilo or grub-install, I still get the same message that appeared after > using the Windows boot disk to write the MBR. What does lilo say when run? Any error messages? > lilo.conf > ========================= > timeout=10 > default=linux > boot=/dev/hda > map=/boot/map > install=/boot/boot.b > message=/boot/message > linear > > image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.9-7 > label=linux > initrd=/boot/initrd-2.4.9-7.img > read-only > root=/dev/hda2 > ========================= ^ This looks sane v This is useless :) > ========================= > /etc/fstab > ========================= > LABEL=/ / ext3 defaults 1 1 > LABEL=/boot /boot ext3 defaults 1 2 > none /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 > LABEL=/home /home ext3 defaults 1 2 > LABEL=/max1 /max1 ext3 defaults 1 2 > LABEL=/max2 /max2 ext3 defaults 1 2 > none /proc proc defaults 0 0 > none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 > /dev/hda3 swap swap defaults 0 0 > /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom iso9660 > noauto,owner,kudzu,ro 0 0 > /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto noauto,owner,kudzu > 0 0 > ========================= > florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011029/2fb943df/attachment.pgp From josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org Mon Oct 29 20:35:46 2001 From: josh at kitten.greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.2 LILO and/or GRUB boot problem In-Reply-To: <3BDD83D9.30078.1DE6C58@localhost> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ok here's what I know. LILO exists on your hard drive in multiple pieces. It prints part of it's name 'LILO' as it gets to the next part. It's first stage bootloader displays the first 'L'. That is what is located in the MBR. The first stage is a measly 512< byte program. It loads the second stage which I recall can occupy the rest of the the cylinder on side of the media so it now has some room. When it is done it displays 'I'. The second stage bootloader ah.... did something. I forget. I always played in the realm of the stage one bootloader so I didn't have to go farther. Anyway, it's just not where it's supposed to be. Since your computer boots somehow you need to check that your BIOS sees hda on your primary controller as your master (or single). If you've got a second drive and it's on the primary, go make sure it's set as slave otherwise go fix it appropriately for the secondary controller. I think there is high likelyhood that your BIOS is confused about what devices exist where so the LILO bootloader isn't working. I never worked with Grub so I can't speak about it. I'll make a further assumption that you are booting from external media which *then* sees your hardware as you wanted it to. At that point Linux has stopped paying attention to your BIOS. So... go make your BIOS happy. When you ran lilo against that lilo.conf it probably worked just fine. You did check for errors too right? It came back and said "linux *" right? That's what it should have said. If it didn't then maybe something is even weirder than I expected and lilo is also confused. So just muck with your jumpers and bios. 10 to 1 that's where your problem is. And what the heck kind of fstab is that? That's just damn weird is what that is. You must be running on of those fancy Linuxes that don't talk to the hardware like it was hardware or something. That just bothers me. But I digress. Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, Michael Glaser wrote: > I am having problems getting my new install of Red Hat 7.2 to boot > from the hard drive. I performed a pretty basic install and everything > appeared to go well. The system will only boot from the boot floppy > however. I have three drives in the system. The boot drive is an 8.4 > GB IDE drive on the primary IDE channel as hda. The other two are > newer ATA/100 drives on the IDE1 channel of a Promise/Maxtor > controller card. These are set up as hde and hdf. > > When booting from the hard drive, the floppy light comes on, and I > see a blinking underscore character in the upper left corner of the > screen. The system becomes totally unresponsive at this point. > Even when placing a boot floppy in the drive. After running lilo and > grub-install numerous times, I started to think the the master boot > sector was not being written at all. With each attempt to write a > new MBR, the results were exactly the same - only the blinking > underscore. > > Just for the hell of it, I booted with a Win95 boot disk and run fdisk > /mbr to write a new boot sector. After doing that I am now getting > the standard "Operating system is missing" error that > DOS/Windows displays when it cannot find a Win partition. I now > know that a new MBR had been written. Each time I have run either > lilo or grub-install, I still get the same message that appeared after > using the Windows boot disk to write the MBR. > > I am thinking that neither lilo nor grub is able to write the MBR for > some reason. Would anyone know why? Following is my lilo.conf, > grub.conf, and fstab files. I wouldn't think it would matter, but > previous to this install, I had the drive that is now supposed to be > my boot disk set up as a master drive on a secondary IDE channel > with lilo placed on the beginng of the drive instead of on the MBR (I > used a different drive as my primary with the NT bootloader to > either load NT or lilo --> linux ). > > Like an idiot, I upgraded the kernel with the rpm found on the Red > Hat Updates site before getting this boot problem fixed. Now when > booting with the boot disk I get a bunch of errors because the > modules for the old kernel are not on the HDD. > > If anyone can figure out what is going on, I could really use a hand. > > Thanks > Mike Glaser > > ========================= > lilo.conf > ========================= > timeout=10 > default=linux > boot=/dev/hda > map=/boot/map > install=/boot/boot.b > message=/boot/message > linear > > image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.9-7 > label=linux > initrd=/boot/initrd-2.4.9-7.img > read-only > root=/dev/hda2 > ========================= > > > ========================= > /etc/fstab > ========================= > LABEL=/ / ext3 defaults 1 1 > LABEL=/boot /boot ext3 defaults 1 2 > none /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 > LABEL=/home /home ext3 defaults 1 2 > LABEL=/max1 /max1 ext3 defaults 1 2 > LABEL=/max2 /max2 ext3 defaults 1 2 > none /proc proc defaults 0 0 > none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 > /dev/hda3 swap swap defaults 0 0 > /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom iso9660 > noauto,owner,kudzu,ro 0 0 > /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto noauto,owner,kudzu > 0 0 > ========================= > > > ========================= > /boot/grub/grub.conf > ========================= > # grub.conf generated by anaconda > # > # Note that you do not have to rerun grub after making changes to > this file > # NOTICE: You have a /boot partition. This means that > # all kernel and initrd paths are relative to /boot/, eg. > # root (hd0,0) > # kernel /vmlinuz-version ro root=/dev/hda2 > # initrd /initrd-version.img > # boot=/dev/hda > default=0 > timeout=10 > splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz > password --md5 xxxxxx > title Red Hat Linux (2.4.9-7) > root (hd0,0) > kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.9-7 ro root=/dev/hda2 > initrd /initrd-2.4.9-7.img > ========================= > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE73fOdfexLsowstzcRAmFIAJwIUvWhI2QKz4TRjDaNqXoPN4qkKACg8cYy 7Qpdr3q64J5VjyCXhPJ8vxU= =51SQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From doughanson at mediaone.net Mon Oct 29 21:20:00 2001 From: doughanson at mediaone.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] spammers die References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE08C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <000d01c160e5$049f2380$a928f518@mediaone.net> Try Spamcop. They are usually pretty through in finding the right contacts. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Austad, Jay" To: Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 7:11 PM Subject: [TCLUG] spammers die > Does anyone have a good way to track down the owners of myfinanceinfo.com, > postmasterpro.net, listprofessional.com, and professilist.com? > > They are doing things which are making my day miserable. All of their > contact info is fake, and their hosting providers ignore my emails. > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Oct 29 21:36:34 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cdrdao toc and CDRWin cue files Message-ID: Hey, Anyone know a utility to convert CDRWin .cue files to cdrdao-compatible .toc files? I'd do it manually (or heck, write one) but the documentation seems lacking and errors seem to crop up despite following the strict rules (like saying "Missing }" even though it's right there or THERE'S NO { ). -Yaron -- From natecars at real-time.com Mon Oct 29 22:03:56 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fwd: "Hackers Beware" On The Road In-Reply-To: <20011024175852.G26119@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Anyone else read it that way? I do. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From michael.arolan at excite.com Mon Oct 29 22:18:27 2001 From: michael.arolan at excite.com (Michael Arolan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Partitions Message-ID: <32670363.1004409737272.JavaMail.imail@zero.excite.com> Hi Guys, How can I see all the partitions on my hard disk whether mounted by Linux or not? I would really like to see the total hard disk size of my computer and their distribution into partitions. I chose the automatic partitioning option while installing my Redhat 7.0 Linux OS but don't know how the disk was divided and which partitions are unused, what size they are etc. What is an extended Linux partition? Is this partition available for use by Linux? Regards Michael _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ From jack at jacku.com Mon Oct 29 22:27:50 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:30 2005 Subject: More Old "War Stories" (Was: [TCLUG] vi vs. emacs) In-Reply-To: <20011029105751.A7960@rephil.org> References: <20011029105751.A7960@rephil.org> Message-ID: <01102921113800.00849@geezer> On Monday 29 October 2001 10:57, you wrote: > On Sat, Oct 27, 2001 at 12:35:14PM -0500, Daniel Taylor wrote: > > On 27 Oct 2001, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > > Andrew Nemchenko writes: . > > > The command line was a line number based BASIC interpreter or worse. > > 480x320 graphics was really good, and only used by scientists and > > gamers. The IBM PC with MSDOS wasn't due till 81. > > You've forgotten entirely about Altair and all the CP/M systems out there. > One of the coolest CP/M systems I ever used was put out by Sony. It had great graphics for its day. I built a "Booth Locator" system for the National Association of Broadcasters convention in '84 on one of these. It was programmed entirely in BASIC. The system had 64K of RAM, I think, and two 3.5" Floppies that held... gee I don't remember but it wasn't the 720K that we associate with PC/MS-DOS DSDD 3.5" diskettes. > > In the 70's Harddrives were spec'd out in small numbers of Megabytes, > > memory was allocated by the Kilobyte, and 9600 bd was fast. > > Yes, but they weren't bloated -- one could implement an accounting > package for a mid-sized company in 8k of memory. Really! > One of my first programming jobs that paid was to cleanup an "ATM Simulator" for one of the big banks in the Philadelphia area. We used a 6502 board designed as a video card for an 8088 system. It originally had 2K RAM and a 2K character set EPROM. The maker modified the board to accept a card with 2 or 3 additional 2K EPROMs. We did it with room to spare. ;-) > > Phil "Do not fold, spindle, or mutilate" Mendelsohn ;) -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Mon Oct 29 22:34:11 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Compiling KDE from source. Message-ID: Hi, I am trying to compile KDE from source but i am running into some problems, just trying to run the configure script bunch of other checks that are ok checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 2.2.2) (libraries) not found. Please check your installation! For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log. but i have the latest version of Qt from the KDE ftp site: $rpm -qa | grep qt qt-Xt-2.3.1-0.rh71.1 qt-2.3.1-0.rh71.1 qt-static-2.3.1-0.rh71.1 qt-designer-2.3.1-0.rh71.1 qt-devel-2.3.1-0.rh71.1 the config.log file is about 13k so i will not post it, but you can find it at www.redconcepts.net/~nassarmu/config.log there are quite a few undefined references and my C skills are not up to fixing this... other related info: $gcc --version 3.0 System is a bastardised RedHat 7.1 with the 2.4.13 kernel + ext3 patch, but i had the same problem with the 2.4.8 kernel. installing using RPMs did not work either because of some dependency problems... what i would give to have apt at this point... -munir From dsherman at real-time.com Mon Oct 29 22:35:04 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 802.11b (wireless networking) hardware for Linux? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200110300330.f9U3Uqk16321@enchanter.real-time.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 29 October 2001 09:40, Nate Carlson spouted off about "Re: [TCLUG] 802.11b (wireless networking) hardware for Linux?": > First of all, join the TCWUG list; all wireless, all the time. (not that > anyone talks much.. heh!) OK, I'll bite. How do I join the list? I couldn't find any info at the mn-linux.org website. I tried sending a message to tcwug-list@mn-linux.org, with 'subscribe' in both the body and subject, but I haven't received a reply. Dave - -- The strong give up and move away, while the weak give up and stay. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE73h78A68l26XsZUYRAuGMAJ9WBFrGvDzqTMzH6XMkbh8CagmPVwCgy0t3 hSvYE6M7AgTZSth8kP3kanw= =kOOY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tanner at real-time.com Mon Oct 29 22:36:03 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problem installing gabber In-Reply-To: <20011029161243.A2004@real-time.com>; from amy@real-time.com on Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 04:12:43PM -0600 References: <20011029161243.A2004@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011029213241.A10177@real-time.com> Quoting Amy Tanner (amy@real-time.com): > trying to install gabber on a RH 7.2 box. > > [root@lynx tmp]# rpm -Uhv gabber-0.8.4-1_rh7.i386.rpm > error: failed dependencies: > libcrypto.so.1 is needed by gabber-0.8.4-1_rh7 > libssl.so.1 is needed by gabber-0.8.4-1_rh7 Get the src.rpm, % rpm --rebuild gabber.x.x.x.src.rpm -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Mon Oct 29 22:36:58 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] spammers die In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE08C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 07:11:16PM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE08C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011029213345.B10177@real-time.com> Quoting Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com): > Does anyone have a good way to track down the owners of myfinanceinfo.com, > postmasterpro.net, listprofessional.com, and professilist.com? > > They are doing things which are making my day miserable. All of their > contact info is fake, and their hosting providers ignore my emails. Sendmail? /etc/mail/access is your friend? RSS? Your out of luck. Could pay MAPS for access to their RSS list. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From esper at sherohman.org Mon Oct 29 23:59:49 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Partitions In-Reply-To: <32670363.1004409737272.JavaMail.imail@zero.excite.com>; from michael.arolan@excite.com on Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 06:42:17PM -0800 References: <32670363.1004409737272.JavaMail.imail@zero.excite.com> Message-ID: <20011029215750.A29869@sherohman.org> On Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 06:42:17PM -0800, Michael Arolan wrote: > How can I see all the partitions on my hard disk whether mounted by Linux or > not? Any of the disk partitioning utilities will do this for you and cfdisk will probably be the most usable. > What is an extended Linux partition? Is this partition available for use by > Linux? Logical partitions reside within extended partitions. So, no, the extended partition itself is not usable, but it will most likely contain logical partitions and they will be usable. (Any partition hd?N where N > 4 is a logical partition.) -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Mr. Slippery From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Tue Oct 30 00:04:21 2001 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (Jim Kaufman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Partitions In-Reply-To: <32670363.1004409737272.JavaMail.imail@zero.excite.com>; from michael.arolan@excite.com on Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 06:42:17PM -0800 References: <32670363.1004409737272.JavaMail.imail@zero.excite.com> Message-ID: <20011029220425.A20288@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> On Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 06:42:17PM -0800, Michael Arolan wrote: > Hi Guys, > > How can I see all the partitions on my hard disk whether mounted by Linux or > not? I would really like to see the total hard disk size of my computer and > their distribution into partitions. I chose the automatic partitioning > option while installing my Redhat 7.0 Linux OS but don't know how the disk > was divided and which partitions are unused, what size they are etc. > > What is an extended Linux partition? Is this partition available for use by > Linux? > > Regards > > Michael > > As root, you can type 'fdisk /dev/hda', then 'p' to print the partition information. (Of course, if you have more than one disk, feel free to check 'em all - 'fdisk /dev/hdb', 'fdisk /dev/sda', etc.) An extended partition is "a box holding logical partitions, with descriptors found in a linked list of sectors, each preceding the corresponding logical partitions. The four primary partitions, present or not, get numbers 1-4. Logical partitions start numbering from 5." You might want to use extended/logical partitioning if you have a large disk and want to split it up into more manageable units, eg, for backup, or for some other sensible partitioning scheme. Since you only get four primary paritions, if you need more than four you have to use extended partitioning. See 'man fdisk' for more details. -- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Tue Oct 30 00:05:17 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 802.11b (wireless networking) hardware for Linux? In-Reply-To: <200110300330.f9U3Uqk16321@enchanter.real-time.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, Dave Sherman wrote: > OK, I'll bite. How do I join the list? I couldn't find any info at the > mn-linux.org website. I tried sending a message to > tcwug-list@mn-linux.org, with 'subscribe' in both the body and subject, > but I haven't received a reply. Check out http://www.tcwug.org. Sorry, forgot to mention it. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Oct 30 00:09:05 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Partitions In-Reply-To: <32670363.1004409737272.JavaMail.imail@zero.excite.com> Message-ID: Hello, *** WARNING: Long message containing examples *** On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, Michael Arolan wrote: > How can I see all the partitions on my hard disk whether mounted by Linux or > not? First determine which hard drives you have. If you have IDE drives, then the Primary Master drive is called /dev/hda, and the slave is called /dev/hdb. The Secondary Master is /dev/hdc, and slave is /dev/hdd. If you have SSI drives they'll be called /dev/sda, /dev/sdb etc according to their SCSI IDs and location on the SCSI chain. You can use the 'dmesg' command to see if Linux sees your drives. Grep for your drive name. For example, to look for /dev/hda, do this: % dmesg|grep hda ide0: BM-DMA at 0xd800-0xd807, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:DMA hda: Maxtor 98196H8, ATA DISK drive hda: 160086528 sectors (81964 MB) w/2048KiB Cache, CHS=9964/255/63, UDMA(66) hda: hda1 < hda5 hda6 hda7 hda8 hda9 hda10 hda11 hda12 > hda2 Let me explain what an Extended partition is. You can only have four primary partitions on an IDE drive (well, under Linux anyway). But sometimes you want more partitions than just four (in fact I always do!) The solution to that is an Extended PArtition. You create a large 'Extended' partitions, and then you create little partitions inside of THAT partition. These are called Logical partitions. The last line of my dmesg output is informative of this; it tells you what partitions are on that drive. You can see that /dev/hda1 is an extended partition containing /dev/hda5 - /dev/hda12, and that /dev/hda2 is a primary partition. It doesn't obviously state that information, but you can then is use the fdisk command to see partition information for that drive: % fdisk -l /dev/hda Disk /dev/hda: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 9964 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hda1 1 7833 62918541 5 Extended /dev/hda2 * 7834 9964 17117257+ c Win95 FAT32 (LBA) /dev/hda5 1 17 136489+ 83 Linux /dev/hda6 18 50 265041 82 Linux swap /dev/hda7 51 83 265041 82 Linux swap /dev/hda8 84 214 1052226 83 Linux /dev/hda9 215 345 1052226 83 Linux /dev/hda10 346 998 5245191 83 Linux /dev/hda11 999 2304 10490413+ 83 Linux /dev/hda12 2305 7833 44411661 83 Linux You can use the output from the 'df' command to see which partitions are mounted and which aren't. HTH, -Yaron -- From sextus at visi.com Tue Oct 30 00:22:55 2001 From: sextus at visi.com (Michael Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] spammers die In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE08C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from Austad, Jay on Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 07:11:16PM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE08C@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011029222630.A27585@visi.com> ON Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 07:11:16PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > Does anyone have a good way to track down the owners of myfinanceinfo.com, > postmasterpro.net, listprofessional.com, and professilist.com? > > They are doing things which are making my day miserable. All of their > contact info is fake, and their hosting providers ignore my emails. Identify and contact their upstream providers using whois. I don't think there's much more you can do without lawyers. -- Michael From shorejsi at skypoint.com Tue Oct 30 07:33:30 2001 From: shorejsi at skypoint.com (Steve Horejsi) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] old guy rants (was vi vs. emacs) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01103005373305.08290@sh68598> On Monday 29 October 2001 03:48 pm, James wrote: > I remember checking out from the CS dept a tty with an acoustic coupler at > 110 baud (must have been about 1973/74). We used to have to be careful > when we put it in the cradle, otherwise the background noise would confuse > it. I was supposed to be programming in Fortran on the PDP-11, but I found > it much more fun to play Star Trek. The tty weighed a lot, but the box of > paper you carried definitely kept the whole thing from being considered > portable :) > ... snip ... Ahh.. The sound of a KSR33 Teletype machine-gunning text onto paper at 100cps (ALL UPPER CASE OF COURSE...) The smell of freshly-punched oiled paper tape scrolling out onto the floor. That's at least two sensory outputs missing from modern computing =:o) -=[ Steve ]=- From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Tue Oct 30 09:40:57 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] old guy rants (was vi vs. emacs) In-Reply-To: <01103005373305.08290@sh68598> Message-ID: | | Ahh.. The sound of a KSR33 Teletype machine-gunning text onto paper at |100cps (ALL UPPER CASE OF COURSE...) The smell of freshly-punched |oiled paper |tape scrolling out onto the floor. | | That's at least two sensory outputs missing from modern computing =:o) | Don't forget the boxes of punched cards that always seemed to have a typo in the middle of them. Or, once you got the typo's fixed, you would invariably drop the box and some of them would get out of order :( But, the worst was standing in line waiting for your job to run, only to get that one page print out that said you had a syntax error on the first card and nothing ran...ah yes, the "good old days" ;) From dd-b at dd-b.net Tue Oct 30 10:03:34 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] old guy rants (was vi vs. emacs) In-Reply-To: <01103005373305.08290@sh68598> References: <01103005373305.08290@sh68598> Message-ID: Steve Horejsi writes: > On Monday 29 October 2001 03:48 pm, James wrote: > > I remember checking out from the CS dept a tty with an acoustic coupler at > > 110 baud (must have been about 1973/74). We used to have to be careful > > when we put it in the cradle, otherwise the background noise would confuse > > it. I was supposed to be programming in Fortran on the PDP-11, but I found > > it much more fun to play Star Trek. The tty weighed a lot, but the box of > > paper you carried definitely kept the whole thing from being considered > > portable :) > > > ... snip ... > > Ahh.. The sound of a KSR33 Teletype machine-gunning text onto paper at > 100cps (ALL UPPER CASE OF COURSE...) The smell of freshly-punched oiled paper > tape scrolling out onto the floor. > > That's at least two sensory outputs missing from modern computing =:o) That *amazingly* long, stiff, key travel, with the mechanical interlock preventing more than one key going down at once. I remember typing in assembler source code (PDP-8) where (because of expansion of tabs to spaces) I'd sometimes be half a page ahead of the echo. And now I don't remember the difference between "ASR33" and "KSR33". I remember the ones I used (which should include at least one Steve used, too) as ASR, but that could just be wrong. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / Ghugle: the Fannish Ghod of Queries Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From dd-b at dd-b.net Tue Oct 30 10:10:05 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vi vs. emacs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Hvidsten, Leif" writes: > > > > Only in terms of processor power, not in usefulness. It seems to me > > that the relationship is something like > > > > P*B=1 > > > > where P is power, subject to increases following Moore's law, and B is > > bloat, due to trying to add "idiot friendliness." ;) > > > > I'm no mathematician but shouldn't it be P/B = 1? That way as power > increases, so does bloated code essentially maintaining a value > close to 1. Yes. I've heard the principle codified more, um, personally as "What Andy giveth, Bill taketh away". -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / Ghugle: the Fannish Ghod of Queries Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From amy at real-time.com Tue Oct 30 10:30:59 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problem installing gabber In-Reply-To: <20011029165623.2f505c93.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 04:56:23PM -0600 References: <20011029161243.A2004@real-time.com> <20011029165623.2f505c93.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011030092823.C1372@real-time.com> On Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 04:56:23PM -0600, Mike Hicks (hick0088@tc.umn.edu) wrote: > Amy Tanner wrote: > > > > trying to install gabber on a RH 7.2 box. > > > > [root@lynx tmp]# rpm -Uhv gabber-0.8.4-1_rh7.i386.rpm > > error: failed dependencies: > > libcrypto.so.1 is needed by gabber-0.8.4-1_rh7 > > libssl.so.1 is needed by gabber-0.8.4-1_rh7 > [snip] > > [root@lynx tmp]# rpm -ql openssl | grep crypto > > /lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.6b > > > > what do i need to do to get libcrypto.so.1? thx. > > You can try just forcing an install, then going into /lib and creating new > symlinks > > libcrypto.so.1 -> libcrypto.so.0.9.6b > libssl.so.1 -> libssl.so.0.9.6b > > Running `ldd $(which gabber)' at the command line will tell you if gabber > can find the libraries or not. this worked- thanks. i also tried rebuilding from src but it err'd that it needed GAL > 0.3. so i installed gal, which i thought was the same thing, but got same error. is gal==GAL? thought gal was gnome application library. i tried normal gal, and ximian gal, with the same results. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From uak at nerp.net Tue Oct 30 11:14:12 2001 From: uak at nerp.net (Ursula A. Kallio) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Partitions In-Reply-To: <32670363.1004409737272.JavaMail.imail@zero.excite.com> Message-ID: > Hi Guys, Any and all, please try to include the females on this list. Cheers, uak From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Oct 30 11:23:37 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] spammers die Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE091@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > Sendmail? > > /etc/mail/access is your friend? > > RSS? Your out of luck. Could pay MAPS for access to their RSS list. That's not the problem. I occasionally get their spam, but the bastards are linking to the site of my employer because we provide free financial charts and such. People see this and think we send it, and get thousands of complaints and threats from our ISPs (not so much anymore as they now know we have nothing to do with it). Spamcop is useless. Gives me info I already have from the headers, whois info, and traceroutes, and none of this is getting me anywhere. > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From fish at slava.net Tue Oct 30 11:54:25 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] starting over :( References: <32670363.1004409737272.JavaMail.imail@zero.excite.com> <20011029220425.A20288@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Message-ID: <3BDECD3E.6000302@slava.net> > > There is just too much wrong with my computer at this point, and I've decided to burn the few files I really need onto a CD, clear everything and start over. Right now I am dual-booting WinME and Slackware 7.1, and I'm redoing with Win95 and debian whatever-version. I know it matters which I install first but I'm new to this sort of thing. So here are my questions. 1) Is this too much for me to handle alone? I *really* want to do this ASAP. Without going into too many details, suffice to say I am not happy at all with the way it is now, and every passing day makes me unhappier. So if I can do this today I will do it today. 2a) If above answer is no, can anyone give me a few pointers? I didn't install slack myself so I really don't know anything about the process. How easy is it to install debian, make the partitions and do whatever else it is I need to do? 2b) If above answer is yes, who wants to help me out? :) via phone, in person, or whatever.... Lorry From amy at real-time.com Tue Oct 30 12:21:14 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] switch between ext3 and ext2 Message-ID: <20011030105219.B7641@real-time.com> I have a partition I want to change from ext3 to ext2. What's the proper way to make this change? -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Oct 30 12:53:51 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (jethro@freakzilla.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Partitions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1004462765.3bdee2adb54c9@dragon> Hey, Quoting "Ursula A. Kallio" : > > Hi Guys, > Any and all, please try to include the females on this list. Being female does not exclude you from being One Of The Guys. -Yaron -- From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Tue Oct 30 13:04:20 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:33 2005 Subject: [OT] Nitpicking was Re: [TCLUG] Linux Partitions Message-ID: >>> uak@nerp.net 10/30/01 09:41AM >>> >> Hi Guys, >Any and all, please try to include the females on this list. To People Of All Sexes, Colors, and Creeds: Please don't pick at nits. "Hi Guys" is pretty low on the old "gender war list o' atrocities". If it really gets under your skin and you want it to change, I guess I'd be more appreciative of a snide comment like "I know the answer to your question, but I'm not a guy, sorry" than an appeal to my "more inclusive PC" side. But that may be just me. "errrRRR, errrRRR, errrRRR" - "Sheilds up, Mr. Sulu!" Have a fabulous day, Troy From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Oct 30 13:16:31 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (jethro@freakzilla.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] switch between ext3 and ext2 In-Reply-To: <20011030105219.B7641@real-time.com> References: <20011030105219.B7641@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1004464421.3bdee925dfdae@dragon> Hey, Quoting Amy Tanner : > I have a partition I want to change from ext3 to ext2. What's the > proper way to make this change? Mount it as ext2? I think that's one of the strengths of ext3/ext2. -Yaron -- From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Tue Oct 30 13:17:39 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] switch between ext3 and ext2 In-Reply-To: <20011030105219.B7641@real-time.com> Message-ID: You just have to change your fstab entry to ext2, cleanly unmount the partition and mount it again as ext2... thats it! -munir On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Amy Tanner wrote: > I have a partition I want to change from ext3 to ext2. What's the proper > way to make this change? > From list at slushpupie.com Tue Oct 30 13:18:36 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] switch between ext3 and ext2 In-Reply-To: <20011030105219.B7641@real-time.com> References: <20011030105219.B7641@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011030175734.MKBI1908.femail37.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Im not sure you can really go back, you may need a spare partition to transfer between... Why do you want to go back? Jay On Tuesday 30 October 2001 10:52 am, you wrote: > I have a partition I want to change from ext3 to ext2. What's the proper > way to make this change? -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- Q: Why should you always serve a Southern Carolina football man soup in a plate? A: 'Cause if you give him a bowl, he'll throw it away. From fertch at mninter.net Tue Oct 30 13:33:09 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] starting over :( References: <32670363.1004409737272.JavaMail.imail@zero.excite.com> <20011029220425.A20288@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> <3BDECD3E.6000302@slava.net> Message-ID: <3BDEFC1D.BE289578@mninter.net> Why are you going with Win95???? You have ME installed now, and your current machine may not be supported by W95. If you're licensed for WinME, I'd stick with that. I don't have any experience with Debian, so I can't speak on that really. My desktop at home is a dual boot WinME/Slackware 8.0. Although, I have had Slackware 7.1 and Mandrake 8.0 on it as well. Load Windows first, partition your drive, then install Linux. Depending upon what distro you're using it's relatively easy. Or rather, can be relatively easy. I use Partition Magic to make my partitions, as I haven't played with fips or other partitioning tools besides fdisk and cfdisk on a bare machine. Good luck! I remember my first Linux install.... Shawn From fertch at mninter.net Tue Oct 30 13:50:08 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Scripting help and iptables Message-ID: <3BDEFEA4.C4F5C764@mninter.net> I'm getting my machine to slowly work with it's ppp connection via isdn. It dials, connects and I can get out to the internet and browse on the gateway machine only. I'm running the 2.4.5 kernel, with iptables. However what I'm running into is when I try to follow the basic rules from either the HOW-TO or from last month's Linux Journal, I keep getting errors telling me that iptables isn't compiled into my kernel or that it needs to be upgraded. Something about not finding the filters table if I recall... What happened was when I reloaded my machine, I picked both the ipchains and iptables packages. Somehow I think that neither got compiled into the kernel. I can modprobe it, and then when doing an lsmod|grep ip_tables it shows up. for the time being, I also put the modprobe ip_tables in my rc.local file to get it to work. I still get the error message that it can't find the filters table. Any ideas on what more I can do to get this to work? Also, I'm trying to write/get a script that will keep a persistent connection up on my ppp. I've read the PPP how-to, but the samples they give are if you are not running pap/chap. What would be the best way to go about scripting what I need? I'm assuming that I will need to place it into cron, have it ping every 5 minutes or so, but beyond that I don't know. I'm really quite horrid at scripting, if anyone can help me out I'd appreciate it. Thanks, Shawn From uak at nerp.net Tue Oct 30 14:02:32 2001 From: uak at nerp.net (Ursula A. Kallio) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:33 2005 Subject: Inclusion was from: {Re: [TCLUG] Linux Partitions} In-Reply-To: <1004462765.3bdee2adb54c9@dragon> Message-ID: I intended that as a comment. I want to be included in linux discussions. Cheers!, uak > Being female does not exclude you from being One Of The Guys. > -Yaron From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Oct 30 14:12:34 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] switch between ext3 and ext2 Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE095@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Back to ext2? Just modify the fstab and reboot. Then remove the .journal file at the root of the partition. > -----Original Message----- > From: Amy Tanner [mailto:amy@real-time.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 10:52 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] switch between ext3 and ext2 > > > I have a partition I want to change from ext3 to ext2. > What's the proper way to make this change? > -- > Amy Tanner > amy@real-time.com _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From steveg at transition.com Tue Oct 30 14:13:40 2001 From: steveg at transition.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] starting over :( Message-ID: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BC07A@postman.transition.com> Here's how I usually go about this: What you'll need: 1) Windows boot disk, with CDROM support. 2) Windows CDROM. 3) Linux distro of choice. 4) A little patience. 5) 1 pack of Marlboros. 6) 1 litre hard liquor of choice, or case of beer. Let's get started: 1) Backup the crap I wanna keep. 2) Use a Windows boot disk to fdisk drive, kill all partitions and carve out a small one for windows. 3) Reboot 4) Use same bootdisk to format windows partition. 5) Create directory C:\windows\options\cabs and copy windows setup files from cd to that directory. 6) Run the windows setup from the C drive. (This way you won't have to hunt down the windows CD every time you try to add or change something.) 7) Install windows drivers, drink liquor, smoke cigs, reboot at least 5 times. 8) Install Linux distro of choice. 9) Configure linux without ever having to reboot. 10) Smile. 11) Take three ibuprofen, have a little nap. Good luck, I'm sure you can handle it. -----Original Message----- From: Lorry [mailto:fish@slava.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 9:55 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] starting over :( > > There is just too much wrong with my computer at this point, and I've decided to burn the few files I really need onto a CD, clear everything and start over. Right now I am dual-booting WinME and Slackware 7.1, and I'm redoing with Win95 and debian whatever-version. I know it matters which I install first but I'm new to this sort of thing. So here are my questions. 1) Is this too much for me to handle alone? I *really* want to do this ASAP. Without going into too many details, suffice to say I am not happy at all with the way it is now, and every passing day makes me unhappier. So if I can do this today I will do it today. 2a) If above answer is no, can anyone give me a few pointers? I didn't install slack myself so I really don't know anything about the process. How easy is it to install debian, make the partitions and do whatever else it is I need to do? 2b) If above answer is yes, who wants to help me out? :) via phone, in person, or whatever.... Lorry _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Oct 30 14:16:29 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] switch between ext3 and ext2 In-Reply-To: <20011030105219.B7641@real-time.com>; from amy@real-time.com on Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 10:52:19AM -0600 References: <20011030105219.B7641@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011030125859.D1882@chuck.sistina.com> On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 10:52:19AM -0600, Amy Tanner wrote: >I have a partition I want to change from ext3 to ext2. What's the proper >way to make this change? in a nutshell: patch, compile, reboot to single-user, mount with options. http://beta.redhat.com/index.cgi?action=ext3 >-- >Amy Tanner >amy@real-time.com >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you hung out with a bunch of women you would NOT want them to call you "One of the Girls" (at least I wouldnt) especially if you were actually attracted to one of them.... > >-Yaron > >-- >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm hoping I can get the printer sorted in Linux after my overhaul (Anyone know about USB in Linux?) in which case I only need Win until they make Linux drivers for my camera. I suppose if I got the printer working in Linux then I wouldn't care too much whether it is ME or 95. >Good luck! I remember my first Linux install.... > Thanks. :) Lorry From PCZeilon at att.net Tue Oct 30 14:24:55 2001 From: PCZeilon at att.net (Carl & Paula Zeilon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.2 LILO and/or GRUB boot problem Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011030130502.014f0aa0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> I have had this exact problem! In my case, it was the IDE zip drive that was causing the problem. You need to change the BIOS to "none" instead of "autodetect". I would agree with the other respondents as well, be sure your jumpers are set right (esp. that you have master or single set correctly.). If you have any removable media on your IDE channels such as the already mentioned zip drive, change the BIOS settings. Let us know how it goes! From jacque at fruitioninc.com Tue Oct 30 14:25:59 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian potato disk needed Message-ID: Anyone around the U area/downtown have a debian potato cd they could loan me, or burn a copy for me? I would like it today, if possible. I'd be willing to pay a few bucks for a burn, I would download the iso and burn it myself, but the burner isn't working realiable around here. Please email me off list. :) Thanks jacque From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Oct 30 14:30:15 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] switch between ext3 and ext2 In-Reply-To: <20011030175734.MKBI1908.femail37.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there>; from list@slushpupie.com on Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 11:54:47AM -0600 References: <20011030105219.B7641@real-time.com> <20011030175734.MKBI1908.femail37.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Message-ID: <20011030134138.B2256@chuck.sistina.com> On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 11:54:47AM -0600, Jay Kline wrote: >Im not sure you can really go back, you may need a spare partition to >transfer between... No, it's backwards compatible. you can mount eitherway. > >Why do you want to go back? > >Jay > >On Tuesday 30 October 2001 10:52 am, you wrote: >> I have a partition I want to change from ext3 to ext2. What's the proper >> way to make this change? I should have looked more closely at this question. I gave totally the wrong answer. >-- >Jay Kline >list@slushpupie.com >http://www.slushpupie.com >-- >Q: Why should you always serve a Southern Carolina football man > soup in a plate? >A: 'Cause if you give him a bowl, he'll throw it away. >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011030/e73e97bf/attachment.pgp From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Oct 30 14:33:58 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] starting over :( In-Reply-To: <3BDEFC1D.BE289578@mninter.net>; from fertch@mninter.net on Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 01:14:37PM -0600 References: <32670363.1004409737272.JavaMail.imail@zero.excite.com> <20011029220425.A20288@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> <3BDECD3E.6000302@slava.net> <3BDEFC1D.BE289578@mninter.net> Message-ID: <20011030134309.C2256@chuck.sistina.com> On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 01:14:37PM -0600, Shawn wrote: >Good luck! I remember my first Linux install.... Me too, hours of RAWRITE.EXE and 24 floppies of slackware! God that sucked! And when done you still had to spend days getting X3 working right. > > >Shawn > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011030/bba8a9ab/attachment.pgp From wilson at visi.com Tue Oct 30 14:37:50 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] starting over :( In-Reply-To: <3BDECD3E.6000302@slava.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Lorry wrote: > 2b) If above answer is yes, who wants to help me out? :) via phone, in > person, or whatever.... If you have another computer in the house you could get on the IRC channel. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From thomas at stderr.net Tue Oct 30 14:38:46 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] starting over :( In-Reply-To: <3BDECD3E.6000302@slava.net>; from fish@slava.net on Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 09:54:38AM -0600 References: <32670363.1004409737272.JavaMail.imail@zero.excite.com> <20011029220425.A20288@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> <3BDECD3E.6000302@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011030184131.L66948@io.stderr.net> On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 09:54:38AM -0600, Lorry wrote: > > > > > There is just too much wrong with my computer at this point, and I've > decided to burn the few files I really need onto a CD, clear everything > and start over. Right now I am dual-booting WinME and Slackware 7.1, > and I'm redoing with Win95 and debian whatever-version. I know it > matters which I install first but I'm new to this sort of thing. So > here are my questions. > > 1) Is this too much for me to handle alone? I *really* want to do this > ASAP. Without going into too many details, suffice to say I am not > happy at all with the way it is now, and every passing day makes me > unhappier. So if I can do this today I will do it today. It shouldn't be to much, Debian has a nice configuration script for Exim that I know will get your mail working right away as you want it (Crossing fingers). > 2a) If above answer is no, can anyone give me a few pointers? I didn't > install slack myself so I really don't know anything about the process. > How easy is it to install debian, make the partitions and do whatever > else it is I need to do? Install Win* first, then install debian and make sure lilo knows about the windows partition. That should be it. > 2b) If above answer is yes, who wants to help me out? :) via phone, in > person, or whatever.... Where are you located? -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From drew at usfamily.net Tue Oct 30 15:30:52 2001 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Partitions References: <1004462765.3bdee2adb54c9@dragon> <20011030130322.F1882@chuck.sistina.com> Message-ID: <3BDF051F.ACD281E5@usfamily.net> WTF does this have to do with linux? Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 11:26:05AM -0600, jethro@freakzilla.com wrote: > > Hey, > > > >Being female does not exclude you from being One Of The Guys. > > If you hung out with a bunch of women you would NOT want them to call you > "One of the Girls" (at least I wouldnt) especially if you were actually > attracted to one of them.... > > > > >-Yaron > > > >-- > >_______________________________________________ > >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >http://www.mn-linux.org > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ From pauljrech at acm.org Tue Oct 30 15:33:02 2001 From: pauljrech at acm.org (Paul Rech) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] starting over :( References: <32670363.1004409737272.JavaMail.imail@zero.excite.com> <20011029220425.A20288@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> <3BDECD3E.6000302@slava.net> Message-ID: <3BDEF8F7.AD32CEA5@acm.org> Lorry wrote: > > > > > There is just too much wrong with my computer at this point, and I've > decided to burn the few files I really need onto a CD, clear everything > and start over. Right now I am dual-booting WinME and Slackware 7.1, > and I'm redoing with Win95 and debian whatever-version. I know it > matters which I install first but I'm new to this sort of thing. So > here are my questions. > > 1) Is this too much for me to handle alone? I *really* want to do this > ASAP. Without going into too many details, suffice to say I am not > happy at all with the way it is now, and every passing day makes me > unhappier. So if I can do this today I will do it today. No, it isn't too much but do not use Debian. It is not for beginners. Make it easy on yourself and start with Mandrake or Redhat. Mandrake is the easiest I've seen. Also, skip the multiple partition thing. Make one big root partition for Linux. Spelled "/" not "root". Very easy in Mandrake. But don't forget your swap. You can worry about optimal partitioning later in life when you're a Linux Goddess. And then you can tackle Debian. If you can afford it, get a second drive and use that for Linux and the other for Windows. No need for extended partitions and the like. And you can blow one away without worrying about the other. Don't give up, it'll pay off soon enough. Paul > > > 2a) If above answer is no, can anyone give me a few pointers? I didn't > install slack myself so I really don't know anything about the process. > How easy is it to install debian, make the partitions and do whatever > else it is I need to do? > > 2b) If above answer is yes, who wants to help me out? :) via phone, in > person, or whatever.... > > Lorry > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amy at real-time.com Tue Oct 30 15:39:43 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] switch between ext3 and ext2 In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE095@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 12:36:53PM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE095@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011030140902.M1440@real-time.com> On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 12:36:53PM -0600, Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com) wrote: > Back to ext2? Just modify the fstab and reboot. Then remove the .journal > file at the root of the partition. I do not see a .journal file anywhere...does something else clean this up perhaps? If the .journal file exists, will that cause problems? -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From pauljrech at acm.org Tue Oct 30 15:40:39 2001 From: pauljrech at acm.org (Paul Rech) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] starting over :( References: <32670363.1004409737272.JavaMail.imail@zero.excite.com> <20011029220425.A20288@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> <3BDECD3E.6000302@slava.net> <3BDEFC1D.BE289578@mninter.net> <20011030134309.C2256@chuck.sistina.com> Message-ID: <3BDEFC11.C8B719B4@acm.org> Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 01:14:37PM -0600, Shawn wrote: > >Good luck! I remember my first Linux install.... > > Me too, hours of RAWRITE.EXE and 24 floppies of slackware! God that sucked! > > And when done you still had to spend days getting X3 working right. Slackware 2.1, I think. Kernel 1.59. You could not get UNIX at home back then, except a very expensive SCO that had to have specific hardware. And there was nothing to run on it. Only other choice was Yggdrasil (sp?). I remember booting Slackware up for the first time, incredulous that all the floppies had worked. I nearly hyperventilated. That was the day I became "root". From pauljrech at acm.org Tue Oct 30 15:41:32 2001 From: pauljrech at acm.org (Paul Rech) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 7.2 CDs References: <20011023145735.Y25210@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3BDEFE3D.7FBA0A06@acm.org> Bob Tanner wrote: > Just a friendly reminder, if you want to stop by with your CDRs, myself, Nate or > Carl can burn you a 7.2 disk. > I stopped by and got some CD's. Just wanted to say thanks to Nate for burning them for me. And thanks to Carl for listening to me rant about M$. I also got to see the Real-Time command center. Paul Rech From nate at techie.com Tue Oct 30 15:42:39 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] starting over :( In-Reply-To: <3BDEFAFD.2070200@slava.net>; from fish@slava.net on Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 01:09:49PM -0600 References: <32670363.1004409737272.JavaMail.imail@zero.excite.com> <20011029220425.A20288@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> <3BDECD3E.6000302@slava.net> <3BDEFC1D.BE289578@mninter.net> <3BDEFAFD.2070200@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011030143420.A4427@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 01:09:49PM -0600, Lorry wrote: > I hate ME intensely. I have my 95 disks from my previous machine. I > only use Windows for two things: my printer and my digital camera. I'm > hoping I can get the printer sorted in Linux after my overhaul (Anyone > know about USB in Linux?) I have both my digital camera (Fuji FinePix 1400Zoom) and my printer (Brother HL-1240) working under Linux with USB. My camera initially didn't work. I followed someone's recommended attack plan and got it working. Then the USB-storage maintainer said, "Do it this way." and after a few iterations, my camera was supported. Search through the usb-devel archives[1] for your camera so see if anyone has it working or if any work was done for it. Using USB for printers isn't that hard. The hardest part is probably getting ghostscript to generate the write output for your printer. Check out www.linuxprinting.org to see if your printer is supported. All you need to do for USB is to compile the support in and make sure you have the modules loaded when lpd starts up. I haven't figured out how to make it smooth yet. I think I still have to restart lpd when I plug in my printer. It may just have to do with my use of devfs on that box. Nate From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Oct 30 15:49:11 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] starting over :( Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE096@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> What kind of printer and camera? If the camera uses Compact flash, you can just buy a SanDisk SDDR-31 usb reader, and mount the card as a disk (there's an equivalent for SmartMedia also). This is what I do for my digital Elph. Much faster than the crappy software that came with the camera anyway. Gphoto supports a number of cameras also. I know USB printers work, but I'm not sure which ones. Mandrake has a really nice utility called PrinterDrake which will set it all up for you. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Lorry [mailto:fish@slava.net] > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 1:10 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] starting over :( > > > Shawn wrote: > > >Why are you going with Win95???? You have ME installed now, > and your > >current machine may not be supported by W95. If you're licensed for > >WinME, I'd stick with that. > > > I hate ME intensely. I have my 95 disks from my previous machine. I > only use Windows for two things: my printer and my digital > camera. I'm > hoping I can get the printer sorted in Linux after my > overhaul (Anyone > know about USB in Linux?) in which case I only need Win until > they make > Linux drivers for my camera. I suppose if I got the printer > working in > Linux then I wouldn't care too much whether it is ME or 95. > > >Good luck! I remember my first Linux install.... > > > Thanks. :) > > Lorry > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Oct 30 16:14:43 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (jethro@freakzilla.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] starting over :( In-Reply-To: <3BDECD3E.6000302@slava.net> References: <32670363.1004409737272.JavaMail.imail@zero.excite.com> <20011029220425.A20288@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> <3BDECD3E.6000302@slava.net> Message-ID: <1004463162.3bdee43a8d6e5@dragon> Hello, Quoting Lorry : > 1) Is this too much for me to handle alone? Well, that's pretty much up to you. If you're really a newbie then I guess it would definately not hurt to have someone along to help, lend moral support, etc. Here's a couple of pointers: I'd do the Windows install first - at least the initial install until it reboots itself. This is because Windows will erase your MBR and you'd have to reinstall LILO. Not that difficult but why not avoid it if you can? Debian isn't really that hard to install. I hardly remember Slackware, but I really don't think the whole Disk Partitioning could be any easier than Red Hat/Mandrake. Then again I personally like using fdisk to do the partitioning. If you go it alone, make sure you read all the instructions. I know this seems silly and obvious, but it's actually important. Also, read some pre-install documents you may find on the debian website etc. Print out things you think you might need for reference. If you really start having problems, make a note of where it was, and go through the full install of debian anyway. Make notes of all the things that bothered you or you didn't understand or want clarified. Then you can ask all your questions in one batch and reinstall. Good luck, and don't give up! -Yaron -- From markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net Tue Oct 30 16:16:01 2001 From: markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] old guy rants (was vi vs. emacs) References: Message-ID: <002001c16169$40ae2720$1e02a8c0@zippy> Ah, for me... Its the blinky lights! PDP 8s and 11s, Altair and IMSAI, BIT-483. After learning to punch in the OP codes in binary and *knowing* the locations of every jump destination you gained a certain knowledge of what happening in your programs. These machines were SLOW - you could get out and walk faster! You could actually see the profiling as the code looped - you could see the addresses where the machine was spending most of it's time. I know profilers and such are all well and good - but it's not the same. With modern machines speeds and multi-megabyte code space it would not be the same thing at all - even if you had lights. I am one of the folks that got paper cuts pulling paper tape through a PROKO reader. Yep, I got programs on paper tape as a distro media. The sure and certain knowledge that it would all go away when you turned off the power. Disk - What disk? The audio cassette tape backup was a godsend. Them were the days. To all the pups that bemoan the loss of the CLI and such. It's not supposed to be hard or obscure - that was just growing pains. I DO embrace advances in hardware, interfaces and tools. It just keeps getting better - every day is like Christmas! The frightful lack of efficiency on the other hand.... I used to do very useful work on a 4 MHz machine with 16K memory. Sigh... Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Spinti" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 8:20 AM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] old guy rants (was vi vs. emacs) | | Ahh.. The sound of a KSR33 Teletype machine-gunning text onto paper at |100cps (ALL UPPER CASE OF COURSE...) The smell of freshly-punched |oiled paper |tape scrolling out onto the floor. | | That's at least two sensory outputs missing from modern computing =:o) | Don't forget the boxes of punched cards that always seemed to have a typo in the middle of them. Or, once you got the typo's fixed, you would invariably drop the box and some of them would get out of order :( But, the worst was standing in line waiting for your job to run, only to get that one page print out that said you had a syntax error on the first card and nothing ran...ah yes, the "good old days" ;) _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Oct 30 16:20:38 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] starting over :( In-Reply-To: <3BDECD3E.6000302@slava.net>; from fish@slava.net on Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 09:54:38AM -0600 References: <32670363.1004409737272.JavaMail.imail@zero.excite.com> <20011029220425.A20288@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> <3BDECD3E.6000302@slava.net> Message-ID: <20011030125718.C1882@chuck.sistina.com> On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 09:54:38AM -0600, Lorry wrote: > >1) Is this too much for me to handle alone? I *really* want to do this >ASAP. Without going into too many details, suffice to say I am not >happy at all with the way it is now, and every passing day makes me >unhappier. So if I can do this today I will do it today. Of course not. You strike me as an intelligent person who should have no problems. It's a little difficult to get used to but it's a good learning experience. If possible keep a working machine with net access handy for reference. > >2a) If above answer is no, can anyone give me a few pointers? I didn't >install slack myself so I really don't know anything about the process. > How easy is it to install debian, make the partitions and do whatever >else it is I need to do? You may want to try redhat-7.2 it's a cake-walk to install and it will appear to "just work" for you. >2b) If above answer is yes, who wants to help me out? :) via phone, in >person, or whatever.... It's not an easy thing to do via phone, and really it's not so difficult that you can't trundle through it on your own. You'll learn a great deal doing it yourself. >Lorry > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm > hoping I can get the printer sorted in Linux after my overhaul (Anyone > know about USB in Linux?) in which case I only need Win until they make > Linux drivers for my camera. I suppose if I got the printer working in > Linux then I wouldn't care too much whether it is ME or 95. Well, you'd be really lucky to figure out how to get USB going in Win95. I think you'd have to find a late OEM version with USB drivers. It'd be easier to get that going in Linux! If you really need to get away from ME, find a copy of Win98 somewhere or go up to 2k or XP. You may have mentioned this in the past, but have you checked on the support of your printer and camera? I understand that the software available on Linux for digital cameras is better than what comes bundled with them for Windows. Steve has a good procedure, if you decide you really need Windows. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ You've Got Mail! / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011030/0381f962/attachment.pgp From phil at rephil.org Tue Oct 30 16:26:20 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (phil@rephil.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:35 2005 Subject: [OT] Nitpicking was Re: [TCLUG] Linux Partitions In-Reply-To: ; from troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us on Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 11:32:20AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011030150756.A10947@rephil.org> On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 11:32:20AM -0600, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > >>> uak@nerp.net 10/30/01 09:41AM >>> > >> Hi Guys, > >Any and all, please try to include the females on this list. > > > To People Of All Sexes, Colors, and Creeds: > > Please don't pick at nits. "Hi Guys" is pretty low on the > old "gender war list o' atrocities". If it really gets under your > skin and you want it to change, I guess I'd be more > appreciative of a snide comment like "I know the answer > to your question, but I'm not a guy, sorry" than an appeal > to my "more inclusive PC" side. But that may be just me. > Two things: 1) A person could have procmail run a sed/awk/perl search and replace for the offensive phrase on their incoming mail. This enables a person to configure their colored lenses any shade of rose desired. ;) (For that matter, you could set procmail up to tell you only what you want to hear, too!) 2) Using "guys" for all people *is* inclusive, though idiomatic. Why should people be specifically itemized according to their properties? Differentiating is not a good way to promote unity. Whatever. Only one point was Linux related -- I guess that's better than none. -- I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. From uak at nerp.net Tue Oct 30 16:30:14 2001 From: uak at nerp.net (Ursula A. Kallio) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian not for newbies In-Reply-To: <3BDEF8F7.AD32CEA5@acm.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Paul Rech wrote: > No, it isn't too much but do not use Debian. It is not for beginners. > > Make it easy on yourself and start with Mandrake or Redhat. > Mandrake is the easiest I've seen. Thanks for this suggestion. I was just wondering about this same thing too. > Don't give up, it'll pay off soon enough. Can you just say that 384 more times? :) Regarding the digital camera (Lorry)... Perhaps you can trade it in somewhere and get one that is supported under Linux? Just a thought. uak From barnabas at knicknack.net Tue Oct 30 16:31:04 2001 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Scripting help and iptables In-Reply-To: <3BDEFEA4.C4F5C764@mninter.net>; from fertch@mninter.net on Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 01:25:25PM -0600 References: <3BDEFEA4.C4F5C764@mninter.net> Message-ID: <20011030151343.A28696@knicknack.net> This sounds like the same problem I had. Since it is kernel v2.4.5 is it Slackware 8.0? If so, I did several things and I'm not sure what fixed it, but here's what I'd try if I were doing it again. The module(s?) you want are ip_tables and iptable_filter. They are both located in /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter. Make sure they are loaded. If that doesn't work, upgrade to iptables 1.2.4 (Slack comes with 1.2.3). You'll probably want to remove the iptables package first. If that doesn't work recompile the kernel with the appropriate configuration and install that kernel. Hope that helps. I would appreciate hearing what fixed it for you. Eric On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 01:25:25PM -0600, Shawn wrote: > I'm getting my machine to slowly work with it's ppp connection via > isdn. It dials, connects and I can get out to the internet and browse > on the gateway machine only. I'm running the 2.4.5 kernel, with > iptables. However what I'm running into is when I try to follow the > basic rules from either the HOW-TO or from last month's Linux Journal, I > keep getting errors telling me that iptables isn't compiled into my > kernel or that it needs to be upgraded. Something about not finding the > filters table if I recall... > > What happened was when I reloaded my machine, I picked both the ipchains > and iptables packages. Somehow I think that neither got compiled into > the kernel. I can modprobe it, and then when doing an lsmod|grep > ip_tables it shows up. for the time being, I also put the modprobe > ip_tables in my rc.local file to get it to work. I still get the error > message that it can't find the filters table. Any ideas on what more I > can do to get this to work? > > Also, I'm trying to write/get a script that will keep a persistent > connection up on my ppp. I've read the PPP how-to, but the samples they > give are if you are not running pap/chap. What would be the best way to > go about scripting what I need? I'm assuming that I will need to place > it into cron, have it ping every 5 minutes or so, but beyond that I > don't know. I'm really quite horrid at scripting, if anyone can help me > out I'd appreciate it. > > > Thanks, > > Shawn > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From kent at structural-wood.com Tue Oct 30 16:37:28 2001 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] starting over :( References: <32670363.1004409737272.JavaMail.imail@zero.excite.com> <20011029220425.A20288@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> <3BDECD3E.6000302@slava.net> <3BDEFC1D.BE289578@mninter.net> <3BDEFAFD.2070200@slava.net> <20011030143420.A4427@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <3BDF1C40.9873478B@structural-wood.com> Nate Straz wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 01:09:49PM -0600, Lorry wrote: > > I hate ME intensely. I have my 95 disks from my previous machine. I > > only use Windows for two things: my printer and my digital camera. I'm > > hoping I can get the printer sorted in Linux after my overhaul (Anyone > > know about USB in Linux?) > > I have both my digital camera (Fuji FinePix 1400Zoom) and my printer > (Brother HL-1240) working under Linux with USB. > > My camera initially didn't work. I followed someone's recommended > attack plan and got it working. Then the USB-storage maintainer said, > "Do it this way." and after a few iterations, my camera was supported. > Search through the usb-devel archives[1] for your camera so see if > anyone has it working or if any work was done for it. > > Using USB for printers isn't that hard. The hardest part is probably > getting ghostscript to generate the write output for your printer. > Check out www.linuxprinting.org to see if your printer is supported. > All you need to do for USB is to compile the support in and make sure > you have the modules loaded when lpd starts up. I haven't figured out > how to make it smooth yet. I think I still have to restart lpd when I > plug in my printer. It may just have to do with my use of devfs on that > box. > > Nate My USB Kodak camera and USB Epson printer both worked out of the box with RedHat 7.1 (as well, as my TV card, sound card, onboard sound hardware, 3ware RAID controller, nvidia card, etc... - completely awesome). Kent From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Oct 30 16:38:21 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] switch between ext3 and ext2 Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE098@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> The .journal file will not exist of the ext3 partition was made from scratch, or if the ext3 was make on an unmounted ext2 partition (yes, you can make your partition ext3 while it's mounted). Don't worry about it if you don't see it. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Amy Tanner [mailto:amy@real-time.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 2:09 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] switch between ext3 and ext2 > > > On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 12:36:53PM -0600, Austad, Jay > (austad@marketwatch.com) wrote: > > Back to ext2? Just modify the fstab and reboot. Then remove the > > .journal file at the root of the partition. > > I do not see a .journal file anywhere...does something else > clean this up perhaps? If the .journal file exists, will > that cause problems? > > -- > Amy Tanner > amy@real-time.com _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Oct 30 16:39:12 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Partitions In-Reply-To: <3BDF051F.ACD281E5@usfamily.net>; from drew@usfamily.net on Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 01:53:03PM -0600 References: <1004462765.3bdee2adb54c9@dragon> <20011030130322.F1882@chuck.sistina.com> <3BDF051F.ACD281E5@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <20011030153528.A53312@chuck.sistina.com> On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 01:53:03PM -0600, Andrew Nemchenko wrote: >WTF does this have to do with linux? Nothing. If you don't approve, don't read it. It's an offshoot of a conversation. > >Ben Lutgens wrote: > >> On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 11:26:05AM -0600, jethro@freakzilla.com wrote: >> > Hey, >> > >> >Being female does not exclude you from being One Of The Guys. >> >> If you hung out with a bunch of women you would NOT want them to call you >> "One of the Girls" (at least I wouldnt) especially if you were actually >> attracted to one of them.... >> >> > >> >-Yaron >> > >> >-- >> >_______________________________________________ >> >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> >http://www.mn-linux.org >> >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature > > > >------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Debating the masculinity (heh, is that a word?) of our operating system, of course! -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Tue Oct 30 16:51:11 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Partitions In-Reply-To: <20011030130322.F1882@chuck.sistina.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 11:26:05AM -0600, jethro@freakzilla.com wrote: > > Hey, > > > >Being female does not exclude you from being One Of The Guys. > > If you hung out with a bunch of women you would NOT want them to call you > "One of the Girls" (at least I wouldnt) especially if you were actually > attracted to one of them.... So what was it that attracted you to me? the cheesy smile? the rackish good looks? The superhero status? (Think Austin Powers of the '90s) -munir > > > > >-Yaron > > > >-- > >_______________________________________________ > >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >http://www.mn-linux.org > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From shorejsi at skypoint.com Tue Oct 30 16:52:11 2001 From: shorejsi at skypoint.com (Steve Horejsi) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] old guy rants (was vi vs. emacs) In-Reply-To: References: <01103005373305.08290@sh68598> Message-ID: <01103015464407.08290@sh68598> On Tuesday 30 October 2001 08:51 am, you wrote: > And now I don't remember the difference between "ASR33" and "KSR33". > I remember the ones I used (which should include at least one Steve > used, too) as ASR, but that could just be wrong. Dave; You are correct; it's my memory that slipped on this one. I actually used both but at different times. The one you are thinking of was in fact an ASR33; the KSR33 didn't have a tape punch. (Another time, another place...) -=[ Steve ]=- From florin at iucha.net Tue Oct 30 16:54:08 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] switch between ext3 and ext2 In-Reply-To: <20011030140902.M1440@real-time.com>; from amy@real-time.com on Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 02:09:02PM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE095@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20011030140902.M1440@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011030155152.A15471@beaver.iucha.org> On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 02:09:02PM -0600, Amy Tanner wrote: > On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 12:36:53PM -0600, Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com) wrote: > > Back to ext2? Just modify the fstab and reboot. Then remove the .journal > > file at the root of the partition. > > I do not see a .journal file anywhere...does something else clean this > up perhaps? If the .journal file exists, will that cause problems? It's probably hidden. No, it will not cause any problems. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011030/8b08def5/attachment.pgp From fish at slava.net Tue Oct 30 16:58:14 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:36 2005 Subject: one of the Guys? (Re: [TCLUG] Linux Partitions) References: <1004462765.3bdee2adb54c9@dragon> Message-ID: <3BDEF78C.4000005@slava.net> I made the mistake of going to a Yahoo! Linux, FreeBSD, Solaris chat a couple nights ago. I walked into a conversation about why all women are evil, which turned into a conversation about how all homosexuals are evil, which turned into a conversation about how not enough people in the neighborhood sell drugs. So if using "Hi Guys" is as bad as it gets on the list, I'm pretty happy! ;) Lorry, one of the female guys jethro@freakzilla.com wrote: > Hey, > >Quoting "Ursula A. Kallio" : > >>>Hi Guys, >>> >>Any and all, please try to include the females on this list. >> > >Being female does not exclude you from being One Of The Guys. > >-Yaron > >-- >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Oct 30 17:05:43 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Partitions In-Reply-To: ; from uak@nerp.net on Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 09:41:14AM -0600 References: <32670363.1004409737272.JavaMail.imail@zero.excite.com> Message-ID: <20011030130207.E1882@chuck.sistina.com> On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 09:41:14AM -0600, Ursula A. Kallio wrote: >> Hi Guys, >Any and all, please try to include the females on this list. You start talking about girls and us lonely geeks start stack-dumping due to the unknow variables. I'm amazed there are girls on this list. In fact, I don't see that it matters, we're all dorks who just wanna hack. I know if I use the term "guys" I mean it more like "y'all" which is what I used to say when I was in the service but that sounds funny up here in the north country. Anyway, I'm glad there's females on the list it was starting to smell like old gym socks round here :-) > >Cheers, >uak > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From amy at real-time.com Tue Oct 30 17:10:47 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] switch between ext3 and ext2 In-Reply-To: <20011030175734.MKBI1908.femail37.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there>; from list@slushpupie.com on Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 11:54:47AM -0600 References: <20011030105219.B7641@real-time.com> <20011030175734.MKBI1908.femail37.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Message-ID: <20011030131624.I1440@real-time.com> On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 11:54:47AM -0600, Jay Kline (list@slushpupie.com) wrote: > Im not sure you can really go back, you may need a spare partition to > transfer between... > > Why do you want to go back? Needed to test a problem I'm having with openAFS to see if it was a file system (ext3) problem. Does not appear to be though... -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From amy at real-time.com Tue Oct 30 17:14:53 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] switch between ext3 and ext2 In-Reply-To: <1004464421.3bdee925dfdae@dragon>; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 11:53:41AM -0600 References: <20011030105219.B7641@real-time.com> <1004464421.3bdee925dfdae@dragon> Message-ID: <20011030131702.J1440@real-time.com> On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 11:53:41AM -0600, jethro@freakzilla.com (jethro@freakzilla.com) wrote: > Hey, > > Quoting Amy Tanner : > > > I have a partition I want to change from ext3 to ext2. What's the > > proper way to make this change? > > Mount it as ext2? I think that's one of the strengths of ext3/ext2. will mounting it as ext2 have the same effect as recreating the partition as ext2? -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From capitolreef at yahoo.com Tue Oct 30 17:21:54 2001 From: capitolreef at yahoo.com (Michael Glaser) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.2 LILO and/or GRUB boot problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20011030035321.36697.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> > So... go make your BIOS happy. When you ran lilo > against that lilo.conf it > probably worked just fine. You did check for errors > too right? It came > back and said "linux *" right? That's what it should > have said. If it Yes, when running LILO it returns: Added Linux* I don't remember if the asterisk was before or after the 'Linux', but it appeared to work just fine. When I set up this system, I opted to go with GRUB as my bootloader since I heard good things about it, and it appeared to be the new bootloader of choice for Red Hat. It was only when that failed to work that I decided to try using LILO since I was more familiar with that and 7.2 appeared to install both it and GRUB. I am not trying to use both. I will go with whichever one I can get to work! In response to a previous reply, the NT bootloader is out of the picture. Let me try to clarify things. Before I installed RH 7.2 I had a two drive system. A 3GB drive was the master drive on the primary IDE channel and it had NT and its bootloader on it. The second drive was an 8.4GB drive that was the master device on the secondary IDE channel and it had Red Hat 7.1 on it with LILO installed at the beginng of the drive. This disk is now the master on the primary IDE channel and the 3GB disk is removed and long gone. Before installing Rh 7.2 I added a new ATA 100 controller and two new drives that are connected to this card (I chose to mount them as /max1 and /max2). The BIOS on this card detects and identifies these drives fine, and the BIOS on the motherboard detects the 8.4GB drive (/dev/hda) correctly. Everything works as it should when the system boots. I just cannot boot from anything but a floppy. After the system boots I ran fdisk /dev/hda and looked at the partition table. It looked OK to me. I am not at this problem machine at the moment, but I believe it was /dev/hda1 that was flagged with an asterisk to indicate it was a bootable partition and it is what I was mounting as /boot. > So just muck with your jumpers and bios. 10 to 1 > that's where your problem is. I double checked them and they are correct. > And what the heck kind of fstab is that? That's > just damn weird is > what that is. You must be running on of those fancy > Linuxes that don't > talk to the hardware like it was hardware or > something. That just bothers me. But I digress. Red Hat 7.2. Still baffled at this point. Mike Glaser __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From tanner at real-time.com Tue Oct 30 17:33:32 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel inject help? Message-ID: <20011030155757.C1949@real-time.com> Ok, I got 48,859 msg that I need to inject into the archives. I tried this little script: for i in `ls kernel.*`; do cat $i | /usr/lib/sendmail linux-kernel@lists.real-time.com; sleep 5s; done The messages are called kernel.* (space is just for readability). I get this message: bash: /bin/ls: Argument list too long Anyone have a quick hack for me to get this working? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Oct 30 17:34:36 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] starting over :( In-Reply-To: <3BDECD3E.6000302@slava.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Lorry wrote: > There is just too much wrong with my computer at this point, and I've > decided to burn the few files I really need onto a CD, clear everything > and start over. I won't go into it here since you're a newbie, but if linux has taught me anything, it's that you *NEVER* need to do this. If it's broken in linux, it can be fixed. Give it time, lots of re-installs, lots of beer, little sleep, you'll come to this conclusion some day. > 1) Is this too much for me to handle alone? I *really* want to do this > ASAP. Without going into too many details, suffice to say I am not > happy at all with the way it is now, and every passing day makes me > unhappier. So if I can do this today I will do it today. Back up your data and all you'll lose is time. You may go a few days without linux running perfectly, but you don't start to appreciate the guts of linux until you install it a lot. Time, patience, and lots of caffeine for those late nights. Otherwise, go ahead and do it yourself. Sounds like you've installed Windows and are comfortable with it, so installing linux shouldn't be much of a shock. > 2a) If above answer is no, can anyone give me a few pointers? I didn't > install slack myself so I really don't know anything about the process. Mandrake installs well. Otherwise I've got the RH7.2 discs, I can zip you off a copy and bring them to you (I'm in St. Cloud all day Tues). The newer distros have a nice Windows-like installer. Debian's a great distro but lacks in a setup program for newbies. If you're in for the challenge of installing a distro, realizing you didn't want certain options, discovering certain things are missing, deciding at 11 PM that sure, you have time to re-install, giving up at 4 AM because you have class at 8 AM, then featureless installers are wonderful. That's how I learned to install it. If you want your linux box back quick, use Redhat or Mandrake. If you can take some time to putz around and really learn the installer and and learn more about how linux works from the very beginning, Debian is awesome. -Brian From pauljrech at acm.org Tue Oct 30 17:41:39 2001 From: pauljrech at acm.org (Paul Rech) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSSCA Message-ID: <3BDF15BF.53D5C428@acm.org> I got a voice-mail today from an aid to Congressman Bill Luther, D-Stillwater. He wanted to talk about SSSCA and left his phone number. Said he had not heard about it. I had sent a letter to Dayton, Wellstone and Luther asking them to oppose it. I figured the letter never would get through, as it was sent right before the letter problem in Washington. I didn't get to call back today, but I will tomorrow. So I can tell him only a single-digit IQ motherf*cker would vote for that dreck!!!!!! But maybe not in those words. I suspect he really wants a voice print so they can round up the commie-lover linux users after they pass the "Don't Criticize Our Big Contributors" act. From pauljrech at acm.org Tue Oct 30 17:42:36 2001 From: pauljrech at acm.org (Paul Rech) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:36 2005 Subject: [OT] Nitpicking was Re: [TCLUG] Linux Partitions References: <20011030150756.A10947@rephil.org> Message-ID: <3BDF172E.BA5F867F@acm.org> Hitler was really Austrian. phil@rephil.org wrote: > On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 11:32:20AM -0600, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > > >>> uak@nerp.net 10/30/01 09:41AM >>> > > >> Hi Guys, > > >Any and all, please try to include the females on this list. > > > > > > To People Of All Sexes, Colors, and Creeds: > > > > Please don't pick at nits. "Hi Guys" is pretty low on the > > old "gender war list o' atrocities". If it really gets under your > > skin and you want it to change, I guess I'd be more > > appreciative of a snide comment like "I know the answer > > to your question, but I'm not a guy, sorry" than an appeal > > to my "more inclusive PC" side. But that may be just me. > > > > Two things: > > 1) A person could have procmail run a sed/awk/perl search and replace > for the offensive phrase on their incoming mail. This enables a > person to configure their colored lenses any shade of rose desired. ;) > (For that matter, you could set procmail up to tell you only what you > want to hear, too!) > > 2) Using "guys" for all people *is* inclusive, though idiomatic. Why > should people be specifically itemized according to their properties? > Differentiating is not a good way to promote unity. > > Whatever. Only one point was Linux related -- I guess that's better > than none. > > -- > I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, > but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From paul at harris.net Tue Oct 30 17:46:44 2001 From: paul at harris.net (Paul) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Starting over Message-ID: <20011030221145.6688.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> I don't know about USB in Linux, but I'm pretty sure Win95 doesn't support it, at least not in the early versions. May be important for your camera! Cheers, Paul "I hate ME intensely. I have my 95 disks from my previous machine. I only use Windows for two things: my printer and my digital camera. I'm hoping I can get the printer sorted in Linux after my overhaul (Anyone know about USB in Linux?) in which case I only need Win until they make Linux drivers for my camera. I suppose if I got the printer working in Linux then I wouldn't care too much whether it is ME or 95." From pauljrech at acm.org Tue Oct 30 17:47:42 2001 From: pauljrech at acm.org (Paul Rech) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High Speed Network Connection Message-ID: <3BDF1B5E.8861044C@acm.org> I need a high speed network connection between 2 database servers on IBM Netfinity servers. What are my options and what hardware do I need? I was looking to gigabit ethernet first, as I figured it would be the cheapest. But a sysadmin I know said he wasn't sure but he thought about $4,000 for two cards and a switch. Is it really that much for gigabit hardware? Is gigabit the cheapest alternative? What kind of switch is required? What's the difference between a switch and a hub? What's the actual transfer rate you can achieve? 1,000,000,000 bits per sec/ 8bits = 125,000,000 bytes per sec 125,000,000 bytes per sec / reality =~ 20MB/sec I'm guessing. If someone is familiar with this, could you send me some part numbers I can look-up? Thanks. Paul From tanner at real-time.com Tue Oct 30 18:00:32 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Injecting batch #2 of linux-kernel Message-ID: <20011030141733.R1949@real-time.com> Ok, the first batch of linux-kernel stuff has finally be processed. So, I'm going to inject the next batch. This should be the last batch if there are no problems. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Oct 30 18:01:30 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (jethro@freakzilla.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Partitions In-Reply-To: <20011030130322.F1882@chuck.sistina.com> References: <1004462765.3bdee2adb54c9@dragon> <20011030130322.F1882@chuck.sistina.com> Message-ID: <1004473065.3bdf0ae9ca805@dragon> Hey, Quoting Ben Lutgens : > If you hung out with a bunch of women you would NOT want them to call > you "One of the Girls" (at least I wouldnt) especially if you were > actually attracted to one of them.... Personally I couldn't care less, but I'm an open-minded kind of g^Hperson. -Yaron -- From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Oct 30 18:12:01 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] starting over :( Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE097@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Don't forget the fun of isapnp! > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Lutgens [mailto:blutgens@sistina.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 1:43 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] starting over :( > > > On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 01:14:37PM -0600, Shawn wrote: > >Good luck! I remember my first Linux install.... > > Me too, hours of RAWRITE.EXE and 24 floppies of slackware! > God that sucked! > > And when done you still had to spend days getting X3 working right. > > > > > > >Shawn > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > >Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Oct 30 18:24:42 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] starting over :( In-Reply-To: <20011030134309.C2256@chuck.sistina.com> References: <32670363.1004409737272.JavaMail.imail@zero.excite.com> <3BDEFC1D.BE289578@mninter.net> <20011030134309.C2256@chuck.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20011030205619.C12D64455@slnx03.cs.umn.edu> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 For Debian, go get yourself some Progeny disks. Progeny's dist is discontinued, but their installer is better than Debian's (unless you have flaky hardware that the installer doesn't like....), Progeny is more current than Debian Stable (and it's stable to boot!), and you can upgrade Progeny to Woody (currently testing) or Sid (unstable, beware!) [there have been a few bumps along the way for some poeple, but it's nothing that the folks in #debian on openprojects.net can't help you with.) I really suggest you don't got to Windows 95. If you have 98SE around that would be the better choice. Really. Windows 95 really really sucks (I can't express how badly it sucks...) espically is you don't have the OSR2.5+ release (for stuff like IE4, Winsock2, FAT32, etc...) Even those releases weren't great. Go with Windows ME. :) As for your printer under Linux, what kind of printer? CUPS is really great IMHO! Easy to setup and configure, etc. I compiled up a newer version of CUPS from Debian Unstable for Progeny. Maybe I still have the packages around. If not, apt-get source is your friend. :) IIRC the newer CUPS worked a bit better for network printing than the version in Progeny, so if you're not network printing maybe the version in Progeny will work for ya. But we need to know what printer to help you. Lastly there's your camara. Again, what kind? What interface (USB, serial, printer, other)? What kind of media does it take (Memory Sticks, Compact Flash, Smart Media, other)? If the camara itself is not supported it's very likely that you can get an external USB reader for the media. I got my CF reader for under $30. USB works well under Linux. Don't know how well it would work under Debian Stable, I don't thing good USB support hit 2.2 until 2.2.18 and 2.2.19. Progeny gives you 2.2.18, maybe 2.2.19, and 2.4.2 to work with. All their packaged kernels have worked well. And there's nothing to stop you from building your own kernel. It doesn't matter what order you install your operating systems. Windows 9x (95-ME qualifies as 9x) will overwrite your MBR when you install Windows, but you can use a rescue disk to boot into linux and restore lilo/grub. - -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | Bender: You just think that robots are machines built by humans to make their life's easier. Fry: Well, aren't they? Bender: I've never made anyone's life easier and you know it! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjvfE/EACgkQ/PFCAPL3hQMS6wCglfiBVhC2WCLocAQDqAXIp18R qvoAnj+LUWMrM1lRGl2mgS/hgVDJ1ARV =rzl3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Tue Oct 30 18:41:20 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:37 2005 Subject: [OT] Nitpicking was Re: [TCLUG] Linux Partitions Message-ID: I can't be sure, but I think you did that on purpose. Oh well, thread over. >>> pauljrech@acm.org 10/30/01 03:10PM >>> Hitler was really Austrian. From natecars at real-time.com Tue Oct 30 18:42:14 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel inject help? In-Reply-To: <20011030155757.C1949@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Ok, I got 48,859 msg that I need to inject into the archives. > > I tried this little script: > > for i in `ls kernel.*`; do > cat $i | /usr/lib/sendmail linux-kernel@lists.real-time.com; > sleep 5s; > done > > The messages are called kernel.* (space is just for readability). > > I get this message: > > bash: /bin/ls: Argument list too long > > Anyone have a quick hack for me to get this working? find . -name kernel.\* -exec cat {} | /usr/lib/sendmail linux-kernel@lists.real-time.com \; or something similar. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Oct 30 18:43:15 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (jethro@freakzilla.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel inject help? In-Reply-To: <20011030155757.C1949@real-time.com> References: <20011030155757.C1949@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1004483970.3bdf35826f1b2@dragon> Hey, Quoting Bob Tanner : > bash: /bin/ls: Argument list too long > Anyone have a quick hack for me to get this working? a) Try echo instead of ls, who knows. b) Do kernel.1*, then kernel.2* in a for or foreach loop. c) find . -type f -name "kernel.*" -exec /usr/lib/sendmail linux- kernel@lists.real-time.com <{} \; or something, I may have got the find thing wrong. But you can always do a script for that part. -Yaron -- From natecars at real-time.com Tue Oct 30 18:44:17 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High Speed Network Connection In-Reply-To: <3BDF1B5E.8861044C@acm.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Paul Rech wrote: > I need a high speed network connection between 2 database servers on > IBM Netfinity servers. What are my options and what hardware do I > need? > > I was looking to gigabit ethernet first, as I figured it would be the > cheapest. But a sysadmin I know said he wasn't sure but he thought > about $4,000 for two cards and a switch. I believe you could just throw in two Netgear gigabit cards and a crossover cable.. run you about $400 total. Not positive, though.. never actually done crossover on gig-e.. anyone know for sure that it works? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From foeclan at winternet.com Tue Oct 30 18:51:38 2001 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:37 2005 Subject: one of the Guys? (Re: [TCLUG] Linux Partitions) References: <1004462765.3bdee2adb54c9@dragon> <3BDEF78C.4000005@slava.net> Message-ID: <3BDF361B.7030800@winternet.com> Well, I dunno about you, but _I'm_ evil. Care for a bite of kitten? Mike, one of the homosexual guys -- Michael Vieths Email: Foeclan@Winternet.com Web: http://www.geekbear.net Lorry wrote: > I made the mistake of going to a Yahoo! Linux, FreeBSD, Solaris chat a > couple nights ago. I walked into a conversation about why all women are > evil, which turned into a conversation about how all homosexuals are > evil, which turned into a conversation about how not enough people in > the neighborhood sell drugs. So if using "Hi Guys" is as bad as it gets > on the list, I'm pretty happy! ;) > > Lorry, one of the female guys > > > jethro@freakzilla.com wrote: > >> Hey, >> >> Quoting "Ursula A. Kallio" : >> >>>> Hi Guys, >>>> >>> Any and all, please try to include the females on this list. >>> >> >> Being female does not exclude you from being One Of The Guys. >> >> -Yaron >> >> -- From thomas at stderr.net Tue Oct 30 18:52:42 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High Speed Network Connection In-Reply-To: <3BDF1B5E.8861044C@acm.org>; from pauljrech@acm.org on Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 03:27:58PM -0600 References: <3BDF1B5E.8861044C@acm.org> Message-ID: <20011031002635.C73801@io.stderr.net> On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 03:27:58PM -0600, Paul Rech wrote: > I need a high speed network connection between 2 database servers on > IBM Netfinity servers. > What are my options and what hardware do I need? I once did something similar, although I just went with 100Mbit between the two hosts, that was more than adequate formy purposes. > I was looking to gigabit ethernet first, as I figured it would be the > cheapest. > But a sysadmin I know said he wasn't sure but he thought about $4,000 > for two cards and a switch. What do you want a switch for? (Unless you want to hook more machines in later of course). > Is it really that much for gigabit hardware? > Is gigabit the cheapest alternative? > What kind of switch is required? > What's the difference between a switch and a hub? > What's the actual transfer rate you can achieve? > 1,000,000,000 bits per sec/ 8bits = 125,000,000 bytes per sec > 125,000,000 bytes per sec / reality =~ 20MB/sec I'm guessing. Transfer-rate all depends on the hardware.. I've been able to get 800KB/s between 2 10Mbit cards and around 7MB/s between 2 100Mbit cards, and that wasn't even state of the art hardware. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Tue Oct 30 18:57:01 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel inject help? In-Reply-To: <20011030155757.C1949@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 03:57:57PM -0600 References: <20011030155757.C1949@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20011030172744.A9976@trammell.dyndns.org> On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 03:57:57PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > Ok, I got 48,859 msg that I need to inject into the archives. > > I tried this little script: > > for i in `ls kernel.*`; do > cat $i | /usr/lib/sendmail linux-kernel@lists.real-time.com; > sleep 5s; > done > > The messages are called kernel.* (space is just for readability). > > I get this message: > > bash: /bin/ls: Argument list too long > > Anyone have a quick hack for me to get this working? #!/usr/bin/perl -w use strict; opendir(DIR,".") or die $!; my @k = grep { /^kernel\./ } readdir(DIR); for (@k) { `cat $_ | /usr/lib/sendmail linux-kernel@lists.real-time.com`; sleep 5; } -- johntrammell@yahoo.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's a new camera so I figure it will take a bit. > Check out www.linuxprinting.org to see if your printer is supported. I looked there before I even bought the printer. :) > All you need to do for USB is to compile the support in and make sure > you have the modules loaded when lpd starts up. umm.. ok I'll ask about that after I get installed.... -- Some people say Microsoft is shooting themselves in the foot. I hope they aim higher. From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Oct 30 20:15:37 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High Speed Network Connection In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > Not positive, though.. never actually done crossover on gig-e.. anyone > know for sure that it works? Never done it either, but since gig-e is just 100-e but faster, I don't see why it wouldn't. Those gig-e switches are very un-cheap. With gig-e though, you'd want to find a Cat5E certified croosover. I don't trust my crimps enough to run gig over it. -Brian From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Oct 30 20:22:29 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:37 2005 Subject: one of the Guys? (Re: [TCLUG] Linux Partitions) In-Reply-To: <3BDF361B.7030800@winternet.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Michael Vieths wrote: > Care for a bite of kitten? I remember a famous historical character named Hitler who said something like this when he rounded up the troops once. Ooops, silly me, killed the thread..... From sextus at visi.com Tue Oct 30 20:29:14 2001 From: sextus at visi.com (Michael Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High Speed Network Connection In-Reply-To: <20011031002635.C73801@io.stderr.net>; from Thomas Eibner on Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 12:26:35AM +0100 References: <3BDF1B5E.8861044C@acm.org> <20011031002635.C73801@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20011030184252.A22553@visi.com> On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 03:27:58PM -0600, Paul Rech wrote: > I need a high speed network connection between 2 database servers on > IBM Netfinity servers. > What are my options and what hardware do I need? > I was looking to gigabit ethernet first, as I figured it would be the > cheapest. Estimate the maximum throughput between the database servers before getting the gigabit hardware. I don't know what the specs are on your servers, but I'd think you'd be hard pressed to saturate a full duplex 100Mb link. If you do need more bandwidth, depending on the O/S and hardware you can aggregate 2 or more 100baseT NICs or use 1000baseT cards with a crossover cable. -- Michael From sgrobe at mn.rr.com Tue Oct 30 20:33:08 2001 From: sgrobe at mn.rr.com (steve) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High Speed Network Connection References: <3BDF1B5E.8861044C@acm.org> <20011031002635.C73801@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <3BDF3C5B.4050405@mn.rr.com> I wondered about the corssover cable so I talked to a guy at work who designs some gigabit stuff. You don't need a switch and you don't even need a crossover cable. I straight thru cable will work just fine, gigabit stuff will do the cross over for you. Which is interesting being that it transmits and receives on all 4 pairs at the same time. Fun stuff. Thomas Eibner wrote: > On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 03:27:58PM -0600, Paul Rech wrote: > >>I need a high speed network connection between 2 database servers on >>IBM Netfinity servers. >>What are my options and what hardware do I need? >> > > I once did something similar, although I just went with 100Mbit between > the two hosts, that was more than adequate formy purposes. > > >>I was looking to gigabit ethernet first, as I figured it would be the >>cheapest. >>But a sysadmin I know said he wasn't sure but he thought about $4,000 >>for two cards and a switch. >> > > What do you want a switch for? (Unless you want to hook more machines > in later of course). > > >>Is it really that much for gigabit hardware? >>Is gigabit the cheapest alternative? >>What kind of switch is required? >>What's the difference between a switch and a hub? >>What's the actual transfer rate you can achieve? >>1,000,000,000 bits per sec/ 8bits = 125,000,000 bytes per sec >>125,000,000 bytes per sec / reality =~ 20MB/sec I'm guessing. >> > > Transfer-rate all depends on the hardware.. > I've been able to get 800KB/s between 2 10Mbit cards and around 7MB/s > between 2 100Mbit cards, and that wasn't even state of the art hardware. > > -- The more I know, the more I know I don't know. Confused and confusing since 1966. If I had a nickle for every time I knew I was right and spoke up, I could buy a soda, maybe even two. From chrome at real-time.com Tue Oct 30 20:34:08 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High Speed Network Connection In-Reply-To: <3BDF1B5E.8861044C@acm.org>; from pauljrech@acm.org on Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 03:27:58PM -0600 References: <3BDF1B5E.8861044C@acm.org> Message-ID: <20011030185746.A4277@real-time.com> > Is it really that much for gigabit hardware? I doubt it. I think I've seen Netgear GigE cards for $57; but I could be wrong. > Is gigabit the cheapest alternative? probably. you might be able to hack together something to do IP-over-SCSI; but it's probably 10x the hassle and not much cheaper (if at all). > What kind of switch is required? not sure if you need a switch. if you do; they're kind of pricey, tho. I think about $900 for the 4-port Netgear ones. (I could be fairly far off there, too). > What's the difference between a switch and a hub? switch routes traffic from port to port (at the Ethernet level, as opposed to a router which routes at the IP level). hub just broadcasts everything to everybody. > What's the actual transfer rate you can achieve? the FreeBSD folks claim 900Mbit/s (or about 120MB/s [their math]). Linux is a bit slower than that, but not outrageously so. You probably won't see the difference. > If someone is familiar with this, could you send me some part numbers I > can look-up? go to Netgear's web site. my advice would be to give it a try with a couple of 100base-T cards and a crossover cable; and see if that works well enough. odds on, it will. if it's not enough; then try GigE. unless you're dead-set on the *coolness* of GigE. :) Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From tanner at real-time.com Tue Oct 30 21:13:33 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SpamCop = SpamCrap? Message-ID: <20011030194410.G2855@real-time.com> Ok, I thought I'd give SpamCop a try. I expanded the headers of the spam, and forwarded it to spamcop@spamcop.net . Got this niffy autoresponse back. > Subject: SpamCop has accepted 1 email for processing > > SpamCop is now ready to process your spam. > > Note: Please use spam@cmds.spamcop.net instead of spamcop@spamcop.net. > > Members should use these links: > http://members.spamcop.net/sc?tid=z25143423z67ed3781865afb2bd7bf098cc6861996z > > Non-Members must use these links: > http://spamcop.net/sc?id=z25143423z67ed3781865afb2bd7bf098cc6861996z Went to the non-member url and I get this message. Saved email: This page may be saved for future reference: http://spamcop.net/sc?id=z25143423z67ed3781865afb2bd7bf098cc6861996z Guessing end of header is here:> For more accurate results, please deliniate body with an empty line Parsing header: No source IP address found, cannot proceed. Not full header? No tracking information found in header: > Return-Path: Probably not full headers - see FAQ: Email software FAQ no header Would send message source reports to: Cookie option allows additional reporting in this space. Looking at the FAQ, I do have unset forward_decode in my rc file. What gives? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From seg at haxxed.mine.nu Tue Oct 30 21:19:02 2001 From: seg at haxxed.mine.nu (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cdrdao toc and CDRWin cue files References: Message-ID: <3BDF4B53.30704@haxxed.mine.nu> Yaron wrote: > Hey, > > Anyone know a utility to convert CDRWin .cue files to cdrdao-compatible > .toc files? I'd do it manually (or heck, write one) but the documentation > seems lacking and errors seem to crop up despite following the strict > rules (like saying "Missing }" even though it's right there or THERE'S NO > { ). cdrdao will read .cue files directly. Or at least try to. The thing I noticed is it assumes the data file is the name of the cue file with a .bin extention, rather than actually looking in the .cue file for the name for some reason. After making sure files are named the way cdrdao wants its worked for me. Now if there were a way to read DiskJuggler and CD Creator files in Linux... I wish windows Cd burning software would just standardise on a damn format already. Hell, it would be nice if most windows software could at least read/write plain old .iso files. ;P From florin at iucha.net Tue Oct 30 21:25:35 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:38 2005 Subject: [OT] Nitpicking was Re: [TCLUG] Linux Partitions In-Reply-To: <3BDF172E.BA5F867F@acm.org>; from pauljrech@acm.org on Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 03:10:06PM -0600 References: <20011030150756.A10947@rephil.org> <3BDF172E.BA5F867F@acm.org> Message-ID: <20011030195845.B24642@beaver.iucha.org> On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 03:10:06PM -0600, Paul Rech wrote: > Hitler was really Austrian. This is silly. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011030/3b497f80/attachment.pgp From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Oct 30 21:33:25 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High Speed Network Connection Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE09D@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> You can aggregate 100Mbit cards fairly easily. How much data could you be pumping across the link that you would actually need 1000Mbit? We have around 100 webservers pulling data from one of our databases, and 2 100Mbit cards using fast etherchannel is plenty fast for us, at least for now. I think your limit is 4 cards though, so anything above 400Mbit, you'd want to go with gig connections. If you're only connecting those 2 boxes together, you don't need a switch. Gig switches are expensive, but you could always get yourself a cisco 2924 with the dual GBIC ports and do fiber, I think those run around $2k or so but I'm not sure what fiber ethernet cards cost. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Michael Burns [mailto:sextus@visi.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 6:43 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] High Speed Network Connection On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 03:27:58PM -0600, Paul Rech wrote: > I need a high speed network connection between 2 database servers on > IBM Netfinity servers. > What are my options and what hardware do I need? > I was looking to gigabit ethernet first, as I figured it would be the > cheapest. Estimate the maximum throughput between the database servers before getting the gigabit hardware. I don't know what the specs are on your servers, but I'd think you'd be hard pressed to saturate a full duplex 100Mb link. If you do need more bandwidth, depending on the O/S and hardware you can aggregate 2 or more 100baseT NICs or use 1000baseT cards with a crossover cable. -- Michael _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dave at droyer.org Tue Oct 30 21:45:35 2001 From: dave at droyer.org (Dave Royer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] starting over :( In-Reply-To: <3BDEFAFD.2070200@slava.net> References: <32670363.1004409737272.JavaMail.imail@zero.excite.com> <20011029220425.A20288@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> <3BDECD3E.6000302@slava.net> <3BDEFC1D.BE289578@mninter.net> <3BDEFAFD.2070200@slava.net> Message-ID: <1004494434.1352.13.camel@merlin> I don't suppose our camera uses any kind of removable media? I have a Cannon that uses compact flash and it was a snap to read the card under linux. It has a USB port as well, and I tried that under windows but I like accessing the card as a regular partition much better. (Easier to interface with I think...cp rather than clicking around a stupid interface!) The other thing to look at is gPhoto (http://www.gphoto.org). It has support for many cameras. Regarding the distro choice...I'll toss in my $.02 as well. I love debian, but would have been rather lost without trying redhat and mandrake first. I found I out-grew them and moved to debian, but if I had to do it again, I'd still start out with redhat or mandrake. Dave On Tue, 2001-10-30 at 13:09, Lorry wrote: > I hate ME intensely. I have my 95 disks from my previous machine. I > only use Windows for two things: my printer and my digital camera. I'm > hoping I can get the printer sorted in Linux after my overhaul (Anyone > know about USB in Linux?) in which case I only need Win until they make > Linux drivers for my camera. I suppose if I got the printer working in > Linux then I wouldn't care too much whether it is ME or 95. > > Thanks. :) > > Lorry > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011030/e1e56463/attachment.pgp From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Tue Oct 30 21:51:59 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache error logs Message-ID: For a couple of days now i have been getting wierd errors in my Apache logs, mostly people doing a GET /dir/cmd.exe, or root.exe don't these people check the server strings? I may be inexperienced but i am not brain dead enough to run IIS. or just even plain windows. but most importantly: should i report the IPs to someone? (i have about 10 different IPs so far) is there anything in particular i should do about this? -munir From bobdove at pipeline.com Tue Oct 30 21:55:42 2001 From: bobdove at pipeline.com (Bob W. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] new box compatability Message-ID: Hi: I'm planning on getting a new computer and would appreciate any feedback re: the Linux compatibility of the hardware. Athlon 1.2G-C CPU with K7S5a mb, heatsink, fan. 512MB PC2100 DDR memory GeForce2 MX 400 64MB AGP Video card IBM 40G 7200 rpm HD Mid Tower ATX Case w/AMD approved 300w PS Your comments please. Bob W. Anderson Newport From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Oct 30 22:13:05 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High Speed Network Connection In-Reply-To: <3BDF3C5B.4050405@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, steve wrote: > Which is interesting being that it transmits and receives on all 4 > pairs at the same time. Reeeaaaalllyy... that's interesting! It always bothered me that ethernet could be up to 200 Mbit/sec (400 full duplex) if someone would just make use of those extra pairs. No recabling needed, no change in BICSI standards, just switches and NICS that are smarter than the average NIC. -Brian From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Tue Oct 30 22:16:45 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] InstallFest Message-ID: I am still looking for places to host the installfest, and now that the AFCSME strike is over MCTC is a viable option again. I talked to Dana, the Network Administrator at MCTC and he is amiable to the idea and has suggested a few Rooms that we can use. The question is: There may be a charge for using the room, it will probably be not much but since the TC-LUG tresury(sp?) has active funds of about $0s would you be willing to chip in $10 a head for rent and -if there is enough left over- Pizza and Drinks? -Munir From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Tue Oct 30 22:17:39 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel inject help? Message-ID: Bob, Does 'ls' explode at the command line? Here is a perl hack, but there has got to be a better (perlish) way to do it, but my brain is stuck. ===== #!/usr/bin/perl -w $command = '| /usr/lib/sendmail linux-kernel@lists.real-time.com'; opendir(D, '.'); chomp(@dir = readdir(D)); closedir(D); foreach $file (@dir) { if ($file !~ m/^kernel[.]/) { next; } local $/ = ''; open(F, "< $file"); @contents = ; close(F); open(C, $command); print C $contents; close(C); sleep(5); } ===== Good luck, Troy >>> tanner@real-time.com 10/30/01 03:57PM >>> Ok, I got 48,859 msg that I need to inject into the archives. I tried this little script: for i in `ls kernel.*`; do cat $i | /usr/lib/sendmail linux-kernel@lists.real-time.com; sleep 5s; done The messages are called kernel.* (space is just for readability). I get this message: bash: /bin/ls: Argument list too long Anyone have a quick hack for me to get this working? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Oct 30 22:18:36 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (jethro@freakzilla.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] switch between ext3 and ext2 In-Reply-To: <20011030131702.J1440@real-time.com> References: <20011030105219.B7641@real-time.com> <1004464421.3bdee925dfdae@dragon> <20011030131702.J1440@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1004484811.3bdf38cb8cdc1@dragon> Hi, Quoting Amy Tanner : > will mounting it as ext2 have the same effect as recreating the > partition as ext2? For all intents and purposes, yes. It'll be the same as if you moved all the data off, reformatted the partition with ext2 and moved all the data back on. I suppose there'll be some data on the raw device that was left there by ext3, but that shouldn't really get in the way of normal system usage. -Yaron -- From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Tue Oct 30 22:23:16 2001 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel inject help? Message-ID: <011030173538.20345a73@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Hi Your problem is when the shell resolves the kernel.*, the resulting line is way too long. It's either limited to 1024 or 2048 chars. Whenever I hit this, I usually use an awk script with the system function, but I don't know what your shell is going to do with it. Something like: ls kernel.* | awk '{system("cat " $1 "| /usr/lib/sendmail linux-kernel @lists.real-time.com");system("sleep 5s")}' I'd avoid putting any returns in the line, I just put it there to keep in the margins and there's no space before the @. Let me know if you need more. Ed Hoeffner 1-271 BSBE 312 Church St. SE Mpls, MN 55455 hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu 612-625-2115 612-625-2163 fax Ok, I got 48,859 msg that I need to inject into the archives. I tried this little script: for i in `ls kernel.*`; do cat $i | /usr/lib/sendmail linux-kernel@lists.real-time.com; sleep 5s; done The messages are called kernel.* (space is just for readability). I get this message: bash: /bin/ls: Argument list too long Anyone have a quick hack for me to get this working? From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Tue Oct 30 22:24:09 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSSCA In-Reply-To: <3BDF15BF.53D5C428@acm.org> Message-ID: > I suspect he really wants a voice print so they can round up the > commie-lover linux users > after they pass the "Don't Criticize Our Big Contributors" act. you damn pinkos, what am i doing here fratrenizing with the enemy??? seriously though, i realize that the bazaar software model is a socialistic model but Commies? -munir > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Tue Oct 30 22:32:22 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:39 2005 Subject: [OT] Nitpicking was Re: [TCLUG] Linux Partitions In-Reply-To: <3BDF172E.BA5F867F@acm.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Paul Rech wrote: > Hitler was really Austrian. it doesnt work that way, you cannot call upon the name hitler with the intent of ending a conversation... -munir From fish at slava.net Tue Oct 30 22:33:33 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] starting over :( References: Message-ID: <3BDF39E7.1010104@slava.net> Not only am I a student, but I live in a studio apartment. I'd have to sell my kitchen table and keep a second computer on the floor. ;) Timothy Wilson wrote: > On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Lorry wrote: > > >>2b) If above answer is yes, who wants to help me out? :) via phone, in >>person, or whatever.... >> > > If you have another computer in the house you could get on the IRC channel. > > -Tim -- Some people say Microsoft is shooting themselves in the foot. I hope they aim higher. From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Tue Oct 30 22:38:49 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] High Speed Network Connection Message-ID: I think you can get cheaper equipment, but mind you, you will be getting cheaper equipment. ;-) Netgear has some switches for around $1000 and NICs for $300, last time I checked. http://www.netgear.com/ You do want a switch, and you don't want a hub. Someone mention the party line and modern switched phone network analogy again, I don't remember the words. >>> pauljrech@acm.org 10/30/01 03:27PM >>> I need a high speed network connection between 2 database servers on IBM Netfinity servers. What are my options and what hardware do I need? I was looking to gigabit ethernet first, as I figured it would be the cheapest. But a sysadmin I know said he wasn't sure but he thought about $4,000 for two cards and a switch. Is it really that much for gigabit hardware? Is gigabit the cheapest alternative? What kind of switch is required? What's the difference between a switch and a hub? What's the actual transfer rate you can achieve? 1,000,000,000 bits per sec/ 8bits = 125,000,000 bytes per sec 125,000,000 bytes per sec / reality =~ 20MB/sec I'm guessing. If someone is familiar with this, could you send me some part numbers I can look-up? Thanks. Paul _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From andy at theasis.com Tue Oct 30 22:50:28 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] new box compatability In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > GeForce2 MX 400 64MB AGP Video card Get GTK, not MX. Andy From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Oct 30 22:51:29 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] new box compatability Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE0A0@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Everything looks fine to me. You should check out the Soyo Dragon board though. Runs about $130. It's black with purple pci slots! 6 usb ports (2 onboard, 4 headers), 6 channel dolby digital onboard sound that's supported by linux (the company that made the chip distributes the source for the drivers and they are very full featured) SPDIF in/out and optical in and out. Onboard sound usually sucks, but this onboard sound is sweet. Onboard ethernet also which is supposed to work fine with linux. 6 ide channels (4 of which are RAID capable). Did I mention it's black? A friend of mine bought one. It runs win2k, but he says it's the best board he's ever owned (and he's had many). Jay -----Original Message----- From: Bob W. Anderson [mailto:bobdove@pipeline.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 8:53 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] new box compatability Hi: I'm planning on getting a new computer and would appreciate any feedback re: the Linux compatibility of the hardware. Athlon 1.2G-C CPU with K7S5a mb, heatsink, fan. 512MB PC2100 DDR memory GeForce2 MX 400 64MB AGP Video card IBM 40G 7200 rpm HD Mid Tower ATX Case w/AMD approved 300w PS Your comments please. Bob W. Anderson Newport _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Oct 30 22:56:06 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] new box compatability In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey, On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Bob W. Anderson wrote: > I'm planning on getting a new computer and would appreciate any feedback > re: the Linux compatibility of the hardware. The only thing to really worry about in all that is the video card, if you want really good 3D performance under X Windows. Furtunately nVidia cards have excellent, if closed-source support. You might want to look up your motherboard choice and which specific nvidia manufacturor you're getting on some hardware sites - but this is more a general thing than a Linux thing, really. I think it'd be very hard to get hardware nowadays that won't work under Linux - at least within the base system... -Yaron -- From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Tue Oct 30 22:57:45 2001 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] new box compatability In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Bob W. Anderson wrote: > Hi: > > I'm planning on getting a new computer and would appreciate any feedback > re: the Linux compatibility of the hardware. > > Athlon 1.2G-C CPU with K7S5a mb, heatsink, fan. > 512MB PC2100 DDR memory What size DIMMs are you getting? RAM is cheap nowadays, might as well get a 512 DIMM or two. > GeForce2 MX 400 64MB AGP Video card Decent Video Card, But I prefer the Radeon myself ;-) > IBM 40G 7200 rpm HD Got one of these, very very good... but then again i am partial towards IBM. > Mid Tower ATX Case w/AMD approved 300w PS 300w PS may be enough for the above but once you increase RAM, add a DVD and a CD/RW 300w _may_ not be enough... -munir > > Your comments please. > > Bob W. Anderson > Newport > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From seg at haxxed.mine.nu Tue Oct 30 22:59:08 2001 From: seg at haxxed.mine.nu (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:39 2005 Subject: [OT] Nitpicking was Re: [TCLUG] Linux Partitions References: <20011030200328.C24642@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <3BDF60AB.7060501@haxxed.mine.nu> Florin Iucha wrote: > On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 05:17:59PM -0600, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > >>I can't be sure, but I think you did that on purpose. >> >>Oh well, thread over. >> >> >>>>>pauljrech@acm.org 10/30/01 03:10PM >>> >>>>> >>Hitler was really Austrian. >> > > This is even more silly... > > Kids, if you don't want to play, go away. If you thing you can add something > to the discussion (even an "this is offtopic") please do. Mentioning Hitler > out of the blue is silly. It works once as a joke, second time as a reminder > of a joke... but the third -> n time is pointless. > > And b) This list is not so deluged with ontopic threads that an offtopic > discussion does so much harm. Feel free to preview the message and hit "del", > or be even more fancy and add the title to procmail > /dev/null. > > (that sounds good though) > florin Hitler was also an accomplished artist. From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Oct 30 23:00:26 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache error logs Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCE09F@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> attack back? :) These are probably compromised boxes (nimda or code red). You could find the admins of the boxes and tell them, or just ignore it. It's probably not going to accomplish anything by reporting it though. Just take pride in the fact that they haven't gained access to your box. :) Jay -----Original Message----- From: Munir Nassar [mailto:nassarmu@redconcepts.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 8:37 PM To: Twin Cities Linux User Group Subject: [TCLUG] Apache error logs For a couple of days now i have been getting wierd errors in my Apache logs, mostly people doing a GET /dir/cmd.exe, or root.exe don't these people check the server strings? I may be inexperienced but i am not brain dead enough to run IIS. or just even plain windows. but most importantly: should i report the IPs to someone? (i have about 10 different IPs so far) is there anything in particular i should do about this? -munir _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Wed Oct 31 00:27:45 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] InstallFest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011031042106.GXOK28415.femail46.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> How much would they charge? Normally schools and universities give cheap and/or free rent to organizations... \On Tuesday 30 October 2001 05:30 pm, you wrote: > I am still looking for places to host the installfest, and now that the > AFCSME strike is over MCTC is a viable option again. I talked to Dana, > the Network Administrator at MCTC and he is amiable to the idea and has > suggested a few Rooms that we can use. > > The question is: There may be a charge for using the room, it will > probably be not much but since the TC-LUG tresury(sp?) has active funds of > about $0s would you be willing to chip in $10 a head for rent and -if > there is enough left over- Pizza and Drinks? > > -Munir > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- You're currently going through a difficult transition period called "Life." From tanner at real-time.com Wed Oct 31 00:36:07 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:30:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux and Win2K TOC the same? Message-ID: <20011030222123.C2684@real-time.com> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20011030/tc/tech_intel_napster_dc_2.html "In any case, using Linux is not much cheaper than Windows 2000. Although Linux as an operating system is free, the real costs are related to the computers, and support and maintenance, he said." I might be blinded by by religion and this group my not have the ability to let the religion go, but can anyone look outside the box on this and comment? My perspective is Linux is much cheaper then Windows. Even if you pay for a distro you are starting out ahead. Add the virus resistence, stability, reliability, and security out of the box. Linux should be have a better TOC then Win2k. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9