From michael at mimbach.com Sun Sep 16 16:59:17 2001 From: michael at mimbach.com (Michael James Mimbach II) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:24:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MAC addresses References: Message-ID: <003701c13efa$d4bd33c0$0b0a800a@xtratyme.com> If you go and buy any of the new 100 dollar firewall/routers by SMC or linksys you can change the mac on them no problem. Infact they have a specific clone mac address function on the SMC's. We sell them to our customer for use with there wireless internet for multiple computers. We set them to clone the mac address so we don't have to change the security settings on our end. Michael Mimbach michael@mimbach.com Senior RF/Network Engineer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew LaBerge" To: Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 4:48 PM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] MAC addresses > There are a lot of software manufacturers that would shit their pants if a > card existed that could do this. I'd be able to get Pro/Engineer running on > my system for free then. Somehow I don't think PTC would like that, I > wouldn't like it either seeing as my company pays $20,000 a year to use the > software. Very unsettling to hear this. > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On > Behalf Of Phil Mendelsohn > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 11:30 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] MAC addresses > > On Mon, 16 Jul 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > > > Some cards do allow you to change your MAC address. > > > > If the card supports it, the command: > > > > ifconfig eth0 hw ether nn:nn:nn:nn:nn:nn > > > > will do it. > > Can one of you network gurus explain how this is legal, by Ethernet specs? > I'm a little out of date, but MAC addresses were supposed to be sacrosanct > physical IDs that are unique for each card. Of course this was late 70's > or early 80's, and there was no danger of running out of them! > > > I thought changing MAC would carry the possibility that you might end up > with very low-level net problems, if you're exposed (i.e., what if you > grab someone else's MAC.) I also thought they were issued by a standards > body to manufacturers, but it seems I have a little to learn. > > -- > "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." --Anonymous > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Sat Sep 1 00:37:16 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare with 2.4.9 kernel In-Reply-To: <20010901054500.A14943@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: Last time I checked VMWare supported up to 2.4.6. I'm currently using 2.0.4 build 1142. If something newer than that is downloadable, install that. Otherwise stick with 2.4.6. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From florin at iucha.net Sat Sep 1 01:58:46 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sparc X Windows and RAID questions.. In-Reply-To: <20010831221338.668951ec.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 10:13:38PM -0500 References: <20010831221338.668951ec.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010901015846.P4906@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 10:13:38PM -0500, Mike Hicks wrote: > I also have a question about software RAID devices in Linux. This system > had an external drive enclosure with three 9 GB drives in it that I made > into a RAID 0 array for Amanda's holding disk. I'm curious how mounting > the disk automatically at boot would work, considering that raid0 is > currently a module (I tried compiling it in, but that made the kernel too > big -- and I don't think there's a `bzImage'-like option for UltraSPARC) > and that I've had to do `/etc/init.d/raid2 start' before mounting the > array. mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd- /lib/modules/ and add initrd=/boot/initrd- to lilo.conf section you boot your kernel from. cheers, florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From florin at iucha.net Sat Sep 1 02:00:14 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cable Still Blocking Port 80?? In-Reply-To: <20010831191207.D30057@candle.mn.mediaone.net>; from nate@techie.com on Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 07:12:07PM -0500 References: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E06595147@msgmsp15.norwest.com> <20010831134954.C30057@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <20010831143420.N4906@beaver.iucha.org> <20010831191207.D30057@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20010901020013.Q4906@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 07:12:07PM -0500, Nate Straz wrote: > On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 02:34:20PM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 01:49:54PM -0500, Nate Straz wrote: > > > On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 11:49:53AM -0500, Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM wrote: > > > > How do you do the re-direction from 8080 to 80?? > > > > > > # Redirect web traffic from 8080 to 80 > > > rdr sis1 candle.dhs.org/32 port 8080 -> candle.dhs.org port 80 > > > > Why not add a "Listen 8080" to httpd.conf? > > Because I'm not running Apache and I'd like to think that I can use a > temporary measure like a firewall redirect instead of changing my Zope > configuration. Sorry, I have forgot you are using Zope. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From chuckeal at mediaone.net Sat Sep 1 02:43:23 2001 From: chuckeal at mediaone.net (Chuck Licha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat on a Sony Vaio Laptop Message-ID: <001201c132b9$c7973a80$ad00a8c0@mn.mediaone.net> Can anyone out there tell a new Linux user about how much space I will need on a Sony Vaio laptop to install RH 7.1? I am going to be dual booting with 98. Thank you Chuck Licha -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010901/dfe73592/attachment.html From eng at pinenet.com Sat Sep 1 02:49:08 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Correction; Kylix installs on SuSE 7.0 Message-ID: <20010901.7490800@linwin.mshome.net> My mistake. Kylix will nicely install after all seven *.rpm upgrade packages (on the SuSE web site for libc upgrade) are installed. Thus, patched SuSE 7.0 does work with Kylix. My mistake. From natecars at real-time.com Sat Sep 1 06:33:09 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare with 2.4.9 kernel In-Reply-To: <20010901054500.A14943@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 1 Sep 2001, Thomas Eibner wrote: > > Hey, > > > > Anyone got it working? Seems to fail on the whole building modules area. I > > heard there's patches but I can't find them anywhere. > > I'm sure the question has been asked tons of times on: > news: news.vmware.com > > .. I had the same problem with 2.4.7 and found those newsgroups to be > the best information source :) for those of you that want the easy way: ftp://gladiator.real-time.com/natecars/vmware-ws-1142-for-2.4.7.tar.gz too tired to explain how to use them. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Sat Sep 1 06:33:55 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] web mail server In-Reply-To: <002201c1327f$fbfa3a00$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 31 Aug 2001, Raymond Norton wrote: > I am running Redhat 7.x. I am looking for a web based email server > program that has the following features: Mail can be accessed by pop3 > clients, and web browsers. Mail can be left on the server, or > downloaded to workstations. Mail can be scanned for viruses and if > possible for content. Server can be administered from the web. > > Is there a free or low cost solution for these requirements that has > an easy setup? Horde+IMP CVS, and UW-IMAP or Courier-IMAP for the IMAP server. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Sat Sep 1 06:34:46 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bawls - Sugar Content In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 31 Aug 2001, Brian wrote: > Mmmmm... geek food! > > So, I ran to Byerly's in St. Cloud after work, no go. Guess they're > either slow or completely oblivious. Call, ask for the grocery manager, tell him he can get it from All Saint's Distributing (do they deliver out there?), ask him to put it on the shelves. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From clay at fandre.com Sat Sep 1 07:28:57 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GFS relicensed Message-ID: <20010901072855.A17809@fandre.com> Ben, can you comment on this? What's the deal? http://slashdot.org/articles/01/08/31/172200.shtml -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have a PCG-Z505HS, 12G drive, and about 3G remains on the Win partition -- and that only because I've not bothered wiping it out entirely. I currently store a bunch of linux sources on that partition. So, not a real specific recommendation, but perhaps it helps a bit. Else ask more questions. Andy > Thank you > Chuck Licha > From blayer at qwest.net Sat Sep 1 07:56:36 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:09 2005 Subject: Vmware ws patch (was Re: [TCLUG] VMWare with 2.4.9 kernel) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010901075636.591683e1.blayer@qwest.net> On or about Fri, 31 Aug 2001 22:20:45 -0500 (CDT) Yaron reportedly said... > Hey, > > Anyone got it working? Seems to fail on the whole building modules area. I > heard there's patches but I can't find them anywhere. You are right that vmware will fail to build on kernel versions >= 2.4.7. But a patch does exist and I am running it successfully. Note that the patch only works for Vmware workstation, it does not work on express. Just untar it and run the runme.pl - it's automagic :)) It's small (80k) so I'm just going to attach it to this message. N-joy. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: vmware-ws-1142-for-2.4.7.tar.gz Type: application/octet-stream Size: 81963 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010901/0fb76dfa/vmware-ws-1142-for-2.4.7.tar.obj From blayer at qwest.net Sat Sep 1 08:13:10 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TT fonts in XFree86 4.0.1 Message-ID: <20010901081310.777e5958.blayer@qwest.net> They really messed this up. Can someone please tell me about the 'encoding' directories or files? How / why / where do I create them on Slackware 7.1? Do I really need them? Holy cracking christ on a pogo stick. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From esper at sherohman.org Sat Sep 1 08:20:17 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] using linux box for a router In-Reply-To: <000401c13265$5e939320$a344a43f@xtratyme.com>; from ray@lctn.k12.mn.us on Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 10:00:24PM -0500 References: <000401c13265$5e939320$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> Message-ID: <20010901082016.A15612@sherohman.org> On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 10:00:24PM -0500, Raymond Norton wrote: > Can this be done? If so how would I set it up? Sure can! If you're just going to be routing, any of the various Firewall-HOWTOs out there should tell you what you need to know. If you only have one IP address assigned, though, you'll probably want to set up IP masquerading also, so find a copy of the Linux IP Masquerade HOWTO instead. -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From esper at sherohman.org Sat Sep 1 08:25:58 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GFS is no longer free In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 05:50:18PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010901082558.B15612@sherohman.org> On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 05:50:18PM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > Reading the license, some especially annoying things: > > Sect 2.1e: > <..> Execution of the Covered Code is not restricted except that You are > prohibited from receiving a payment for, or directly or indirectly > generating revenue from, any service that uses the Covered Code to store > or retrieve data. <..> > > ^-- As I read this, if a consultant goes into a non-profit shop, and > wanted to install GFS as a file system, we wouldn't be allowed to charge > time for this installation/configuration of GFS. Alternately, the first thing that came to my mind when I read that: You can't run an online store and keep any of its data on GFS. Free/ nonfree issues aside, that's just plain _stupid_. Makes about as much sense as most of the business method/software patents I've heard about. -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Sat Sep 1 08:43:09 2001 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Univ of MN peopler In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yea I have to file all that stuff for my chem society, all we need is 3 people, some sort of constitution, and 15 bucks. And we can reserve rooms and other stuff. Colin Kilbane From krwc2 at visi.com Sat Sep 1 08:52:54 2001 From: krwc2 at visi.com (John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISA modem Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010901085254.007967f0@pop.visi.com> On Thursday 30 August 2001 11:32, you wrote: > I'm trying to get my internal ISA modem to work. It's a US Robotics 56k > modem. The it's assigned an IRQ of 5, Com 4 under Win2k. I recently Check your delay & guard times under modem setup, if slack has this. Bump up everthing by a factor of 5 or so and see what happens. Worked for me in Mandrake. John Goerg From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Sat Sep 1 09:43:27 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sparc X Windows and RAID questions.. In-Reply-To: <20010831221338.668951ec.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 10:13:38PM -0500 References: <20010831221338.668951ec.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010901094327.A19237@baker.space.umn.edu> On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 10:13:38PM -0500, Mike Hicks wrote: > I just installed Debian woody on a Sun Ultra 30 the other day. It's going > to be a backup server. Currently, I'm in the process of debugging some > SCSI issues before it returns to service as an Amanda server, and > apparently Veritas's NetBackup is going to be plopped on there at some > point. > > Anyway, this box happens to have a Creator3D card in it, and I was curious > as to what must be done to get that working right. I was having trouble > getting the Sun mouse (such fragile pieces of junk) to work at all with > the Xsun server. I ended up installing XFree86 and plugging in a > Microsoft serial mouse, but when I tested by running a bare X server, the > mouse was even more jerky than the standard Sun mouse. Just curious if > others have played with this odd combination of stuff.. I've never installed Debian on an Ultra 30 (though I have an Ultra 2 I'm going to get around to one of these weekends), but I have on an IPX. What do you have in you in the mouse section of your XF86Config? Unfortunately the auto-detection for mice/keyboard maps isn't very good Sparc Debian, so some fiddling with the config files is usually necessary. Are you running gpm? If so you might want to try something like: Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "mousesystems" Option "Device" "/dev/gpmdata" EndSection If you don't run gpm (or if that doesn't work) try: Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "busmouse" Option "Device" "/dev/sunmouse" EndSection Have you tested the keyboard under X? Sometimes there are problems with the keymap being mixed up. Also, take a look at the Debian-sparc list for more info - 1. http://lists.debian.org/ports.html . -- Jim Crumley | Free Dmitry Sklyarov! crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | http://freesklyarov.org/ Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From timl at rootdown.net Sat Sep 1 10:35:20 2001 From: timl at rootdown.net (Tim Lupfer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] web mail server In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Sat, Sep 01, 2001 at 06:33:55AM -0500 References: <002201c1327f$fbfa3a00$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> Message-ID: <20010901103520.A477@rootdown.net> On Sat, Sep 01, 2001 at 06:33:55AM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Fri, 31 Aug 2001, Raymond Norton wrote: > > I am running Redhat 7.x. I am looking for a web based email server > > program that has the following features: Mail can be accessed by pop3 > > clients, and web browsers. Mail can be left on the server, or > > downloaded to workstations. Mail can be scanned for viruses and if > > possible for content. Server can be administered from the web. > > > > Is there a free or low cost solution for these requirements that has > > an easy setup? > > Horde+IMP CVS, and UW-IMAP or Courier-IMAP for the IMAP server. squirrelmail is another good alternative, and I'm relatively certain that all of the features that you request are available either in the base distribution, or via a plugin. (www.squirrelmail.org) -- Tim Lupfer timl@rootdown.net 0xA7ECF2AB @ pgpkeys.mit.edu www.rootdown.net/~timl Today is the last day of your life so far. From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Sep 1 12:02:04 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare with 2.4.9 kernel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey all, Got the patch, i's working now... excpet it things the 1.5GB partition is a 4.3 GB HDD... this'll be interesting (: -Yaron -- From markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net Sat Sep 1 12:02:20 2001 From: markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat on a Sony Vaio Laptop References: Message-ID: <006b01c13307$dfeca4a0$1e02a8c0@zippy> <2_cents> You may wish to look at the disk issue a different way. Even if you "take to linux in a big way" (I have) you may wish to get at your data from both environment. Linux is very good at reaching into windoze partitions and getting data. WIndows - Hmmm. I vote for 2 GB for a good linux install, the rest to windoze. Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 7:42 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] RedHat on a Sony Vaio Laptop > > Can anyone out there tell a new Linux user about how much space I will > > need on a Sony Vaio laptop to install RH 7.1? I am going to be dual > > booting with 98. > > Which model vaio is it, and how big is the hard drive? > > You could easily get away with only 1G for linux, but I recommend more > like 1.5 so you don't run into any limits. Chances are that if you take to > linux at all, you'll do less in win98 and more in linux. > > Maybe the right way to proceed is determine how much you *need* for > windows, and give the rest to linux. > > I have a PCG-Z505HS, 12G drive, and about 3G remains on the Win partition > -- and that only because I've not bothered wiping it out entirely. I > currently store a bunch of linux sources on that partition. > > So, not a real specific recommendation, but perhaps it helps a bit. Else > ask more questions. > > Andy > > > Thank you > > Chuck Licha > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net Sat Sep 1 12:12:45 2001 From: markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GFS relicensed References: <20010901072855.A17809@fandre.com> Message-ID: <008e01c13309$548c7d20$1e02a8c0@zippy> Sounds like the sort of sleazey thing we got from CDDB. Get the open source people to do all the heavy lifting, then jerk the fruits from their grasp. Unfortunatly, I don't see any defense from this kind of "bait and switch". micro$oft is doing the same sort of thing with some of the "free previews". We do the free testing, they sell the product. As much as I like the micro$oft agent technology if feel like I am wasting my time doing any development work with it. If I get any good apps runnig I am sure that it will come to nothing commercial. Sigh! Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clay Fandre" To: "tclug-list" Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 7:28 AM Subject: [TCLUG] GFS relicensed Ben, can you comment on this? What's the deal? http://slashdot.org/articles/01/08/31/172200.shtml From nate at techie.com Sat Sep 1 12:23:36 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qwestdex CDROM In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 02:17:27PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010901122336.A20662@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Thanks to Bill Layer for sending out the VMWare patch, I can now check out this CD. :) PPPP OOOO SSSS P P O O S PPPP O O SSSS P O O S P OOOO SSSS It has to be the simplest translation from a paper book to an electronic book. It looks like proprietary Acrobat style reader hacked up to handle a book of this size. I don't think it was worth installing. I haven't looked at the data format yet to see if it's worth trying to hack it. Given the interface is just a page viewer with graphical content included, getting useful data out of it may be like sifting through mud. That's my opinion, I'm going to remove it from my VMWare session. Nate From markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net Sat Sep 1 12:22:21 2001 From: markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] XP hardware detection / protection Message-ID: <00d801c1330a$ac09d6a0$1e02a8c0@zippy> Some random thought have come to me as I read about the coming XP invasion. If anyone on the newsgroup has given micro$soft any free time to test the product you may already know the answer. 1) If XP auto-detects the environment as part of determining if it has been moved to a new machine does it do anything bad to folks who re-partition to add Linux? 2) Do they mess with the partition is any way so adding Linux will break the system? Mark Browne From blayer at qwest.net Sat Sep 1 13:22:04 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] XP hardware detection / protection In-Reply-To: <00d801c1330a$ac09d6a0$1e02a8c0@zippy> References: <00d801c1330a$ac09d6a0$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: <20010901132204.045832e6.blayer@qwest.net> On or about Sat, 1 Sep 2001 12:22:21 -0500 Mark Browne reportedly said... > Some random thought have come to me as I read about the coming XP invasion. > If anyone on the newsgroup has given micro$soft any free time to test the > product you may already know the answer. > > 1) If XP auto-detects the environment as part of determining if it has been > moved to a new machine does it do anything bad to folks who re-partition to > add Linux? AFAIK, The hardware environment is only hardware - it does not include things like the structure of the partition table. > 2) Do they mess with the partition is any way so adding Linux will break the > system? From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Sep 1 13:50:06 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Different kinds of XP (Was: XP hardware detection / protection) In-Reply-To: <20010901132204.045832e6.blayer@qwest.net> References: <00d801c1330a$ac09d6a0$1e02a8c0@zippy> <20010901132204.045832e6.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010901135006.0e760706.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Since Win XP was brought up, I was reminded of these questions. What are the different variants of Win XP? I've heard that there's a `Home' edition that will be sold for about $10 more than WinMe is currently listed for, and there'll be a `Professional' edition geared toward office desktops as a replacement for Win2k Pro. I'm sure there's at least two server variants too.. What's different about all of them? -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ If you're not confused, / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ you're not paying \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) attention. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've heard that there's a > `Home' edition that will be sold for about $10 more than WinMe is > currently listed for, and there'll be a `Professional' edition geared > toward office desktops as a replacement for Win2k Pro. I'm sure there's > at least two server variants too.. > > What's different about all of them? As allways, a couple of entries in the registry... florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From blutgens at sistina.com Sat Sep 1 14:27:56 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GFS is no longer free In-Reply-To: <20010901082558.B15612@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Sat, Sep 01, 2001 at 08:25:58AM -0500 References: <20010901082558.B15612@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20010901142756.A20277@minime.sistina.com> On Sat, Sep 01, 2001 at 08:25:58AM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote: > >Alternately, the first thing that came to my mind when I read that: >You can't run an online store and keep any of its data on GFS. Free/ >nonfree issues aside, that's just plain _stupid_. Makes about as >much sense as most of the business method/software patents I've heard >about. > This is not the case at all. It's only if the service you're charging for is "storage" based AFAIK. I'm no lawyer, but that's the answer I got when I asked the same questions. An example would be driveway.com. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. What's the difference between root and God ? God doesn't think that he is root. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010901/738d0205/attachment.pgp From blutgens at sistina.com Sat Sep 1 14:31:33 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GFS relicensed In-Reply-To: <20010901072855.A17809@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Sat, Sep 01, 2001 at 07:28:57AM -0500 References: <20010901072855.A17809@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010901143133.B20277@minime.sistina.com> On Sat, Sep 01, 2001 at 07:28:57AM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: >Ben, can you comment on this? What's the deal? >http://slashdot.org/articles/01/08/31/172200.shtml No. Sorry. Wait for the next press release which will solve this "mass irritation" On the lighter side, I survived a slashdotting. Server never even seemed to notice. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. What's the difference between root and God ? God doesn't think that he is root. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Try to remember that some of the luggers are actually the "sleazy" people of which you speak. You're sounding an awful lot like the comments on slashdot. > > >micro$oft is doing the same sort of thing with some of the "free previews". >We do the free testing, they sell the product. >As much as I like the micro$oft agent technology if feel like I am wasting >my time doing any development work with it. >If I get any good apps runnig I am sure that it will come to nothing >commercial. >Sigh! > > >Mark Browne > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Clay Fandre" >To: "tclug-list" >Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 7:28 AM >Subject: [TCLUG] GFS relicensed > >Ben, can you comment on this? What's the deal? >http://slashdot.org/articles/01/08/31/172200.shtml > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. What's the difference between root and God ? God doesn't think that he is root. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010901/9ef2920b/attachment.pgp From lxy at cloudnet.com Sat Sep 1 15:01:58 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GFS relicensed In-Reply-To: <20010901143133.B20277@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 1 Sep 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On the lighter side, I survived a slashdotting. Server never even seemed to > notice. And it was all because the server was running GFS, right? :-) From jts at tc.umn.edu Sat Sep 1 15:04:00 2001 From: jts at tc.umn.edu (Joel T Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GFS relicensed In-Reply-To: <200109011310.f81DAJk31413@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: My own understanding is: 1. The plan to relicense GFS has been in the works for a while. 2. Sistina plans to generate revenue by selling licenses for GFS and related software, training, etc. Presumably, this will make the VC happy, as they feel a services oriented business wouldn't "scale." 3. Sistina currently has no intention of working to include GFS in the standard Linux kernel. They may have plans to port it to *BSD and/or NT, and the license change may be related to these plans. The above perceptions are based on conversations I had during the process of interviewing for a job at Sistina earlier this year. At the time, I was somewhat taken aback; the main reason I wanted to work there was because (I thought) it was an "open source" company. Joel On Sat, 1 Sep 2001 Clay Fandre wrote: > Ben, can you comment on this? What's the deal? > http://slashdot.org/articles/01/08/31/172200.shtml From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sat Sep 1 15:37:48 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GFS relicensed In-Reply-To: <008e01c13309$548c7d20$1e02a8c0@zippy> References: <20010901072855.A17809@fandre.com> <008e01c13309$548c7d20$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: <20010901153748.D624@ringworld.org> * Mark Browne [010901 12:22]: > from their grasp. > Unfortunatly, I don't see any defense from this kind of "bait and switch". Really, taxpayers should be more pissed off about how much return we actually could be getting from educational instution research. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From jpschewe at mtu.net Sat Sep 1 15:44:31 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] XP hardware detection / protection In-Reply-To: <20010901132204.045832e6.blayer@qwest.net> References: <00d801c1330a$ac09d6a0$1e02a8c0@zippy> <20010901132204.045832e6.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: "Bill Layer" writes: > goes into hardware setup, so it will not run. I hope that we have a Win2k > / XP enabled version of Vmware coming soon.. that is one 'hardware Is that a mis type there? Win2K already runs in VMware just fine. Granted XP probably won't, but why bother? -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From jpschewe at mtu.net Sat Sep 1 15:45:46 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Different kinds of XP (Was: XP hardware detection / protection) In-Reply-To: <20010901135006.0e760706.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> References: <00d801c1330a$ac09d6a0$1e02a8c0@zippy> <20010901132204.045832e6.blayer@qwest.net> <20010901135006.0e760706.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: Mike Hicks writes: > Since Win XP was brought up, I was reminded of these questions. > > What are the different variants of Win XP? I've heard that there's a > `Home' edition that will be sold for about $10 more than WinMe is > currently listed for, and there'll be a `Professional' edition geared > toward office desktops as a replacement for Win2k Pro. I'm sure there's > at least two server variants too.. > > What's different about all of them? I read an artle in last month's PC Magazine about XP and amoung other things, the home version will not have multi-processor support and the pro version will not require the activation keys. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From blutgens at sistina.com Sat Sep 1 15:59:55 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GFS relicensed In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Sat, Sep 01, 2001 at 03:01:58PM -0500 References: <20010901143133.B20277@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010901155955.A20665@minime.sistina.com> On Sat, Sep 01, 2001 at 03:01:58PM -0500, Brian wrote: >On Sat, 1 Sep 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: > >> On the lighter side, I survived a slashdotting. Server never even seemed to >> notice. Near as I can guess is it was a combination of the following. 1.) story ran at 5:08 on friday night 2.) most people didn't care enough to look 3.) static html 4.) new server box with more horsepower 5.) good net connection 6.) superior operating system 7.) incredibly handsome sysadmin > >And it was all because the server was running GFS, right? :-) > > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. What's the difference between root and God ? God doesn't think that he is root. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Sistina currently has no intention of working to include GFS in the > standard Linux kernel. They may have plans to port it to *BSD and/or > NT, and the license change may be related to these plans. > >The above perceptions are based on conversations I had during the process >of interviewing for a job at Sistina earlier this year. At the time, I >was somewhat taken aback; the main reason I wanted to work there was >because (I thought) it was an "open source" company. We're a company that makes software. Some of which just happens to be GPL, some of which is not. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. What's the difference between root and God ? God doesn't think that he is root. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20010831191207.D30057@candle.mn.mediaone.net> References: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E06595147@msgmsp15.norwest.com> <20010831143420.N4906@beaver.iucha.org> <20010831191207.D30057@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <01090118074400.01906@geezer> On Friday 31 August 2001 19:12, you wrote: > On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 02:34:20PM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 01:49:54PM -0500, Nate Straz wrote: > > > On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 11:49:53AM -0500, Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM wrote: > > > > How do you do the re-direction from 8080 to 80?? > > > > > > # Redirect web traffic from 8080 to 80 > > > rdr sis1 candle.dhs.org/32 port 8080 -> candle.dhs.org port 80 > > > > Why not add a "Listen 8080" to httpd.conf? > > Because I'm not running Apache and I'd like to think that I can use a > temporary measure like a firewall redirect instead of changing my Zope > configuration. > > Nate You mean changing your Zope configuration back to the default. ;-) -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Sep 1 19:35:59 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT - Random..] Let's Bowl Message-ID: <20010901193559.7f84404e.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> This is really random, but it's a Twin Cities thing.. I just saw half an episode of `Let's Bowl' on Comedy Central, and they were apparently in a bowling alley in Minneapolis. This seemed really weird to me, so I did a quick Google query and found out that the show apparently started on KARE 11 here in the Cities. I guess they ran 13 episodes in 1999, then something happened. Now it's on Comedy Central. For people who don't get Comedy Central, or haven't seen the previews, the show is supposed to be a way to settle simple disputes.. Anyway, the show's quirky and strange (and, well, a bowling show), so it makes sense that it came from Minnesota ;-) Just thought some folks might like to know.. http://www.letsbowl.com/index_old.html http://www.comedycentral.com/tv_shows/letsbowl/ -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I'd love to go out with / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ you, but I'm having all \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) my plants neutered. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010901/58b56495/attachment.pgp From cart0196 at umn.edu Sat Sep 1 20:22:33 2001 From: cart0196 at umn.edu (Brian S Carter-Stiglitz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Any opinions on Win4Lin? Message-ID: <200109020122.UAA19451@www7.mail.umn.edu> Anyone tried Win4Lin? Any general opinions on it? How much does it slow down the average windoze prgram? any shouts for its competitors? bc-s From blayer at qwest.net Sat Sep 1 21:16:44 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Any opinions on Win4Lin? In-Reply-To: <200109020122.UAA19451@www7.mail.umn.edu> References: <200109020122.UAA19451@www7.mail.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010901211644.3110c5cb.blayer@qwest.net> On or about Sat, 01 Sep 2001 20:22:33 CDT Brian S Carter-Stiglitz reportedly said... > Anyone tried Win4Lin? Any general opinions on it? How much does it slow > down the average windoze prgram? any shouts for its competitors? From natecars at real-time.com Sat Sep 1 21:26:10 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GFS relicensed In-Reply-To: <20010901160132.B20665@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 1 Sep 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: > We're a company that makes software. Some of which just happens to be GPL, > some of which is not. I just find it strange to start as GPL (and when I originally talked with Matt a couple years back, he seemed to be a HUGE open source advicate), and then just come up and change the license.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From blayer at qwest.net Sat Sep 1 21:27:07 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT - Random..] Let's Bowl In-Reply-To: <20010901193559.7f84404e.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> References: <20010901193559.7f84404e.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010901212707.666696f7.blayer@qwest.net> On or about Sat, 1 Sep 2001 19:35:59 -0500 Mike Hicks reportedly said... > This is really random, but it's a Twin Cities thing.. I just saw half an > episode of `Let's Bowl' on Comedy Central, and they were apparently in a > bowling alley in Minneapolis. This seemed really weird to me, so I did a > quick Google query and found out that the show apparently started on KARE > 11 here in the Cities. I guess they ran 13 episodes in 1999, then > something happened. Now it's on Comedy Central. Yeah, Let's Bowl started here about 4 (?) years ago, they used to do a lot of episodes from the Stahl House on Rice Street in St. Paul. (By the way, this might be a good location for a beermeeting). Rich (Wally) is a local guy, he used to do this outrageous character named Dr. Sphyncter, who was the ultimate anal-retentive human. You'd see him on KTCA. He did a bit called 'Tightline' that was pretty funny too. In about 1989 I was at a new year's party in NE Mpls, and Rich showed up. I most of the evening chatting with him, which was strange because he was in character on and off. After the party, we were both pretty lit up, and he basically did a pratfall out the front door, nearly taking the door off of it's hinges. I about died laughing. That's my Rich story. You heard it here. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From mohmann at qwest.net Sat Sep 1 23:38:15 2001 From: mohmann at qwest.net (Marc Ohmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Univ of MN peopler References: <20010830115047.V26388@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <3B91B7B7.6030207@qwest.net> I'm a student and I plan on attending (if that matters). What info do you need? Marc Scott Dier wrote: >Are there any students on the list? I've been given an idea on how to >get a room, but it requires three students. :) > From npolubinsk at qwest.net Sun Sep 2 12:23:52 2001 From: npolubinsk at qwest.net (Norman P Polubinsky) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Another office suite for Linux References: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBFDF@postman.transition.com> <20010830105605.A4263@minime.sistina.com> <20010830115109.C24064@iaxs.net> Message-ID: <000501c133d4$0a2d2a60$03000004@ibmnorman> How do I remove myself from this tclug-list@mn-linux.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Raun" To: Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Another office suite for Linux > On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 10:56:05AM -0500, Ben Lutgens wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 10:38:15AM -0500, Steve Grobe wrote: > > >I own a copy of the version for BeOS so it looks like I can upgrade to both > > >the Windows and Linux version for $39.95. > > > > and if the documents it creates are not "portable" to the de-facto standard > > (which for the most part is MS Office) it's as useless as star office, abi, > > koffice, and all the rest. > > According to their web-site, they include: > > * MS Office file-format compatibility plus save-to-web and output to PDF > > Steve, do you have any experience with just how good their > compatibility is? > > -- > Scott Raun > sraun@fireopal.org > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sun Sep 2 01:36:06 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Univ of MN peopler In-Reply-To: <3B91B7B7.6030207@qwest.net> References: <20010830115047.V26388@ringworld.org> <3B91B7B7.6030207@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010902013605.F624@ringworld.org> * Marc Ohmann [010901 23:41]: > I'm a student and I plan on attending (if that matters). What info do > you need? I was thinkging that it might be a good idea to start a TCLUG-umn faction to help with getting rooms, etc. Its easy to setup a student group (supposedly) and it could relieve ACM from the task. Or, alternatevley, I talked with the current ACM president and I could act as liaison for TCLUG to ACM. Basically entailing that I would let him know about the room needs/what we are doing, and I would publicise the event in the CSci building each month to say that ACM is sponsering us and that we want people to come learn about linux. Currently, I perfer the latter and would like to go into that arangement. I'll make up a flyer for next weekend and put them up on Monday so new students will see them sometime next week, so perhaps we will have a small influx of people. Speaking of, Clay, did the room stuff get worked out or do you need me to coordinate this with John for this one? -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From dieman at ringworld.org Sun Sep 2 04:08:14 2001 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (forw) Route Discovering tools (rdisc) ? Message-ID: <20010902040814.I624@ringworld.org> Hrm, the missing ipv6 piece was *probally* this in my case. Weeeiiirrrdd. ----- Forwarded message from christophe barb? ----- From: christophe barb? Subject: Route Discovering tools (rdisc) ? Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 15:42:30 +0200 To: debian-user Cc: debian devel Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 09:15:15 -0500 X-Mailer: Balsa 1.2.pre2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: debian-devel@lists.debian.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/95765 Resent-Sender: debian-devel-request@lists.debian.org I'm playing with rdisc a tool included in the redhat iputils rpm. This tool allows automatic root discovery, I mean you do not need to add manually static routes to reach a network behind a gateway running rdisc. This software is not available in Sid but It compiles fine under debian. Is there an equivalent ? I know about 'routed' but if I understand correctly you need to enter all routes on one host which redistributes all routes to others. Christophe -- Christophe Barb? Software Engineer - christophe.barbe@lineo.fr Lineo France - Lineo High Availability Group 42-46, rue M?d?ric - 92110 Clichy - France phone (33).1.41.40.02.12 - fax (33).1.41.40.02.01 http://www.lineo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-request@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@lists.debian.org ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From eng at pinenet.com Sun Sep 2 08:47:18 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Open a new cable ISP channel Message-ID: <20010902.13471800@linwin.mshome.net> The company to watch with concern is AOL/ATT, not M$. They are connecting us with co-axial cable and a (digital) TV-top PC. "Big brother" is here, and most every politician in America will be on the take to advance this cable monopoly. There are still many open "channels" available on CATV. Some channels are already dedicated to community (ie; political) news. If ATT is so worried about their internet channel that they will censor access, another channel should be made available to the "open computing" community. It would cost AOL/ATT nothing, except for a little electricity and maybe some customers. (It might actually gain them customers overall.) By allowing the option of an open access cable ISP, with whatever risks, the public gains freedom on public infrastructure. AOL and ATT can still offer their slop on their "protected" networks. From eng at pinenet.com Sun Sep 2 08:48:16 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Developing an integrated Linux Message-ID: <20010902.13481600@linwin.mshome.net> I don't see the need to concern ourselves with the latest M$ "big new software package." Instead we should focus on integrating the many outstanding Linux "add-on" software packages into the premier software system. Recent technology history is full of M$ stories. Sony capitalized on the transistor in the late 1950s. Litton capitalized on the microwave oven. M$ has dominated the desktop PC. But you don't need a desktop for a PC anymore. The overall Linux product (including "add-ons") is a compilation of many contributors. This is both good and bad. The M$ big corporate umbrella always integrates separate "programs" into a "next big package." (Visual Basic, Front Page, and Internet Explorer were developed by others then absorbed by M$.) Linux would benefit by a smoother integration, too. From dsherman at real-time.com Sun Sep 2 09:40:39 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Any opinions on Win4Lin? In-Reply-To: <200109020122.UAA19451@www7.mail.umn.edu> References: <200109020122.UAA19451@www7.mail.umn.edu> Message-ID: <999441683.1145.13.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> On 01 Sep 2001 20:22:33 -0500, Brian S Carter-Stiglitz wrote: > Anyone tried Win4Lin? Any general opinions on it? How much does it slow > down the average windoze prgram? any shouts for its competitors? I occasionally use Win4Lin, for MS Office or a couple of Windows-only apps that I need for work. As far as I can tell, it doesn't slow down programs *at all*. In fact, it seems to run faster than "native" Windows on the same system. I suspect this is because Linux has a better/faster filesystem, so hard drive I/O is more efficient. I've got enough RAM that swapping isn't an issue, but programs just launch quicker, which is of course disk-intensive. Win4Lin creates a virtual machine for Windows to run on: all hardware is really just a set of software-hooks into the Linux kernel. But because of this, some Windows functionality is not available: no DirectX (who cares?), no Network Neighborhood (but standard TCP/IP networking works fine -- web, email, ftp, etc.). Some of this may have changed with Win4Lin version 3.0, but I only have version 2.02. Win4Lin also only supports Windows 9x, but not NT/2000/XP. The general opinions I have read are that VMWare has better support for all of Windows' functionality, while Win4Lin is easier on system resources. I ran Win4Lin on 64 MB just fine for some time -- 24 MB were dedicated to Windows when it was running, 40 MB were left for Linux to use. No problems at all, although perhaps my swapping increased. VMWare won't even run on less than 128 MB, and even then it's a dog. Of course, with RAM being so cheap right now (I just bought a 256 MB SDRAM strip for $27 at Tran Micro -- 1/10 of the price I paid two years ago), that's not as much of an issue. Hope this helps, Dave From tcole at visi.com Sun Sep 2 10:23:46 2001 From: tcole at visi.com (tcole) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 for sale References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDE45@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <3B924F02.10F76929@visi.com> Ok, so how much do you want for it? Tim Cole "Austad, Jay" wrote: > I don't need my 675 anymore, contact me if you want to buy the thing or it's > going up on egay. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poverby at megsinet.net Sun Sep 2 10:18:15 2001 From: poverby at megsinet.net (Paul Overby) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Developing an integrated Linux References: <20010902.13481600@linwin.mshome.net> Message-ID: <3B924DB7.634F8E98@megsinet.net> I'm interested. Where do we start? Rick Engebretson wrote: > I don't see the need to concern ourselves with the latest M$ "big new > software package." Instead we should focus on integrating the many > outstanding Linux "add-on" software packages into the premier software > system. > > Recent technology history is full of M$ stories. Sony capitalized on the > transistor in the late 1950s. Litton capitalized on the microwave oven. > M$ has dominated the desktop PC. But you don't need a desktop for a PC > anymore. > > The overall Linux product (including "add-ons") is a compilation of many > contributors. This is both good and bad. The M$ big corporate umbrella > always integrates separate "programs" into a "next big package." (Visual > Basic, Front Page, and Internet Explorer were developed by others then > absorbed by M$.) Linux would benefit by a smoother integration, too. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Paul Overby Poverby@megsinet.net Office: 651-686-6074 Home: 452-3233 From florin at iucha.net Sun Sep 2 10:36:41 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Another office suite for Linux In-Reply-To: <000501c133d4$0a2d2a60$03000004@ibmnorman>; from npolubinsk@qwest.net on Sun, Sep 02, 2001 at 12:23:52PM -0500 References: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBFDF@postman.transition.com> <20010830105605.A4263@minime.sistina.com> <20010830115109.C24064@iaxs.net> <000501c133d4$0a2d2a60$03000004@ibmnorman> Message-ID: <20010902103641.D2526@beaver.iucha.org> On Sun, Sep 02, 2001 at 12:23:52PM -0500, Norman P Polubinsky wrote: > How do I remove myself from this tclug-list@mn-linux.org See instructions at the bottom of every message you receive from the list. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From cart0196 at umn.edu Sun Sep 2 11:00:40 2001 From: cart0196 at umn.edu (Brian S Carter-Stiglitz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Any opinions on Win4Lin? Message-ID: <200109021600.LAA26551@www7.mail.umn.edu> > Have you ever played with WINE? > I need some pretty obscure program support that WINE just doesn't offer yet (at least last time I checked), e.g., Microcal Origin 6.0. bc-s From seg at haxxed.com Sun Sep 2 13:58:03 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Stuff sucks. Sigh. Message-ID: <3B92813B.5080304@haxxed.com> Well here's what I got back from AT&T Broadband Mediaone Roadrunner @Home whatever the hell they are now about unblocking port 80. And is it just me or since merging with MSN has Qwest gotten rid of 'select' DSL? Sigh. Fck you AT&T, and please eat a bag of death, Qwest... -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Re: Fwd: Re: Other-r (KMM3274328V10230L0KM) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 16:57:45 -0600 From: AT&T Broadband Internet Customer Care Reply-To: AT&T Broadband Internet Customer Care To: Callum Lerwick Dear Callum, Thank you for writing AT&T Broadband. We apologize for the information that you received incorrectly. Customer service agents have no control over filtered ports. That is a job that our network engineers get paid to do. On an individual basis, we can appreciate your expertise regarding Code Red, and how it effects our network. Unfortunately, the threat is network wide, and the steps we have taken are meant to provide the highest level of security to all our customers. One result of this port filtering is that people who are running servers out of their home networks will no longer be able to obtain bandwidth that they don't pay for. Anyone found running a server using our service, is in direct contravention of our service agreement, and is to be reported to our security people. Hopefully, this is not your situation. Until the threat from Code Red diminishes, we will continue to filter ports in an effort to provide security to all our customers. We hope that this has answered your question. Please write again with any of your concerns. Sincerely, Daniel M-w AT&T Broadband Online Customer Support Center Original Message Follows: ------------------------ >> To unblock ports 137-139, you must write to netbios@mediaone.net. We >> unforutnately are not unblocking port 80 until the virus has cleared. >> We apologize for the inconvenience this may cause you. If you insist >> that there is a way to do this, please phone the person in which told >> you of this. Well I didn't get the name of who I spoke to. But is there any way I can possibly convince you guys to unblock port 80 on me? I am well aware of what codered is, how it works, and how it spreads. I have participated in code red reverse engineering efforts. I am also quite certain I am not vulnerable to code red, as I am not running IIS, it is a Linux based computer now handling the 'net connection here, and all windows machines are firewalled behind it. If you will not unblock port 80, I will just have to move to a service who will. DSL is looking better and better, especially after AT&T has come along and jacked the prices up on all cable services around here. From jack at jacku.com Sun Sep 2 16:33:00 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Any opinions on Win4Lin? In-Reply-To: <200109020122.UAA19451@www7.mail.umn.edu> References: <200109020122.UAA19451@www7.mail.umn.edu> Message-ID: <01090216330000.01931@geezer> On Saturday 01 September 2001 20:22, you wrote: > Anyone tried Win4Lin? Any general opinions on it? How much does it slow > down the average windoze prgram? any shouts for its competitors? > > bc-s > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list I've used win4lin on and off since last fall. I am planning on installing it on a laptop in order to test some apps I'm working on that will need Windows Client support for a Linux/PostgreSQL back end. Unfortunately the new vnet stuff didn't want to work with my current system so I'm planning on trying a fresh install on the laptop. Almost everything I've run on it has worked. The exceptions were some games and TaxCut Deluxe barfed on setup but I think that was due to not disabling the "multimedia" portion of the program. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From destef at destef.com Sun Sep 2 17:47:50 2001 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Stuff sucks. Sigh. In-Reply-To: <3B92813B.5080304@haxxed.com> Message-ID: <200109022247.f82Mlfg19221@ernie.destef.com> When companies do stuff like this its because they dont have people smart enough to know how to correctly deal with the problem. Hell, write an in-line packet analyzer and stick it between your internet router and DMZ router. Have it search the data portion of packets for the string "default.ida" and if it sees it block the packet. This is cake to do and will stop the virus cold in its tracks leaving all other traffic unaffected. I cant stand incomptetant companies and the moron employees they hire like Qwaste/MSN/whatever the hell you are this week companies. At 01:58 PM 9/2/01 -0500, you wrote: >Well here's what I got back from AT&T Broadband Mediaone Roadrunner >@Home whatever the hell they are now about unblocking port 80. > >And is it just me or since merging with MSN has Qwest gotten rid of >'select' DSL? Sigh. Fck you AT&T, and please eat a bag of death, Qwest... > >-------- Original Message -------- >Subject: Re: Re: Fwd: Re: Other-r (KMM3274328V10230L0KM) >Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 16:57:45 -0600 >From: AT&T Broadband Internet Customer Care > >Reply-To: AT&T Broadband Internet Customer Care > >To: Callum Lerwick > >Dear Callum, > >Thank you for writing AT&T Broadband. >We apologize for the information that you received incorrectly. > >Customer service agents have no control over filtered ports. >That is a job that our network engineers get paid to do. > >On an individual basis, we can appreciate your expertise >regarding Code Red, and how it effects our network. > >Unfortunately, the threat is network wide, and the steps >we have taken are meant to provide the highest level >of security to all our customers. > >One result of this port filtering is that people who >are running servers out of their home networks will >no longer be able to obtain bandwidth that they don't >pay for. > >Anyone found running a server using our service, is in >direct contravention of our service agreement, and is to >be reported to our security people. > >Hopefully, this is not your situation. > >Until the threat from Code Red diminishes, we will continue >to filter ports in an effort to provide security to all >our customers. > >We hope that this has answered your question. > >Please write again with any of your concerns. > > > >Sincerely, > >Daniel M-w >AT&T Broadband Online Customer Support Center > >Original Message Follows: >------------------------ > >> To unblock ports 137-139, you must write to netbios@mediaone.net. We > >> unforutnately are not unblocking port 80 until the virus has cleared. > >> We apologize for the inconvenience this may cause you. If you insist > >> that there is a way to do this, please phone the person in which told > >> you of this. > >Well I didn't get the name of who I spoke to. But is there any way I can > >possibly convince you guys to unblock port 80 on me? I am well aware of >what codered is, how it works, and how it spreads. I have participated >in code red reverse engineering efforts. I am also quite certain I am >not vulnerable to code red, as I am not running IIS, it is a Linux based > >computer now handling the 'net connection here, and all windows machines > >are firewalled behind it. > >If you will not unblock port 80, I will just have to move to a service >who will. DSL is looking better and better, especially after AT&T has >come along and jacked the prices up on all cable services around here. > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From hata0006 at tc.umn.edu Sun Sep 2 22:02:13 2001 From: hata0006 at tc.umn.edu (Jason Hataye) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Developing an integrated Linux Message-ID: <3B92F2B5.FAF6821A@tc.umn.edu> On putting together an "integrated Linux," what kinds of things did you have in mind, specifically, Rick? Are you thinking that TCLUG should put together a package linux with various applications to offer at installfests? Jason From blayer at qwest.net Sun Sep 2 22:21:57 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Developing an integrated Linux In-Reply-To: <3B92F2B5.FAF6821A@tc.umn.edu> References: <3B92F2B5.FAF6821A@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010902222157.33de5fd4.blayer@qwest.net> On or about Sun, 02 Sep 2001 22:02:13 -0500 Jason Hataye reportedly said... > > > > On putting together an "integrated Linux," what kinds of things did you > have in mind, specifically, Rick? Are you thinking that TCLUG should > put together a package linux with various applications to offer at > installfests? Well, that would cut down on distro-specific madness at the installfest ;) -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From naushad at mahindrabt.com Sun Sep 2 22:42:53 2001 From: naushad at mahindrabt.com (Naushad) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Printing in linux Message-ID: <001601c1342a$861d4320$f90218ac@mahindrabt.com> Dear All, I am using red-hat 7 as a file/print server. with 2 networked printer configured using samba. I want to restrict users for taking unwanted printouts by allowing them to take only 10 print per day. SO is there any script or command which i can put it cron or at to stop unwanted prints. or some utility which can do the needful. 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URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010903/08466626/attachment.html From blutgens at sistina.com Sun Sep 2 23:58:49 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GFS relicensed In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Sat, Sep 01, 2001 at 09:26:10PM -0500 References: <20010901160132.B20665@minime.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010902235849.A25923@minime.sistina.com> On Sat, Sep 01, 2001 at 09:26:10PM -0500, natecars@real-time.com wrote: >On Sat, 1 Sep 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: >> We're a company that makes software. Some of which just happens to be GPL, >> some of which is not. > >I just find it strange to start as GPL (and when I originally talked with >Matt a couple years back, he seemed to be a HUGE open source advicate), >and then just come up and change the license.. > It's not that simple. Advocacy has nothing to do with our business model. Like I said, we still make gpl software. The thing most of you use from Sistina ( LVM ) is gpl. The thing most of you could care less about is, not. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. What's the difference between root and God ? God doesn't think that he is root. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010902/9b9734ef/attachment.pgp From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Sep 3 00:11:23 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fwd: [gfs-devel] An explanation of the license change for GFS 4.2 Message-ID: <20010903001123.B25923@minime.sistina.com> Our VP of engineering and long time geek / hacker sent this to some of the GFS lists. I thought I'd pass it on to you all. ----- Forwarded message from "Michael J. Declerck" ----- From: "Michael J. Declerck" Message-Id: <20010901223846.7A20B32608@spook> Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 15:38:46 -0700 Reply-To: gfs-devel@sistina.com To: gfs-announce@sistina.com, gfs-users@sistina.com, gfs-devel@sistina.com Subject: [gfs-devel] An explanation of the license change for GFS 4.2 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 This is an attempt to explain why Sistina Software Inc changed its license on the GFS product. I hope it dispels some of the confusion surrounding this change and reassures the community of Sistina's commitment to supporting open source in a manner that insures the survivability of both entities. Sistina Software was founded by Matt O'Keefe (Founder and CTO) while he was a professor at the University of Minnesota. The genesis for the formation of Sistina was driven by the following: o GFS was a software project that had demonstrated applicability to a wide range of applications/problems outside the area it was originally written to address - Parallel Ocean simulation/modeling. o The GFS team was tightly integrated group that believed in the product and the benefits that it could bring to the open source and commercial communities. o Funding for GFS in the academic environment dwindled to near zero due to budgetary constraints in its primary funding agencies. These factors all came together to bring about the founding of Sistina in January 2000. At that point, Sistina's business model was to provide storage management tools and expertise to the open source community through two products: o GFS o LVM and to offer management tools and support contracts for those products to generate revenue for the business. This revenue would be utilized to continue development of GFS and LVM, as well as, grow Sistina. For the entire first year Sistina focused on bringing GFS out of the academic environment and providing it with the features and robustness necessary to survive in enterprise environments. During that period we aggressively pursued support contracts for GFS or partners that wanted to work with either embedding or productizing GFS. We were able to secure some contracts during that period. They were small and did not provide enough strategic linkage with others to support the level of development that Sistina was pursuing. At the same time we were actively recruiting talent to work with Heinz Mauelshagen (original author Linux LVM) to accelerate the development of LVM. Sistina was able to recruit two additional people to work with Heinz on the LVM. This team was also able to secure some small contracts of limited scope. In January of 2001 Sistina released the first "production" release of GFS and tagged it with a 4.0 version number. This was built on the three prior releases from the work at the University of Minnesota and brought GFS to a point where Sistina could actively pursue having its technology embedded in devices or IT infrastructures. The LVM team was also getting ready to release LVM 1.0 when it was adopted as part of the base kernel in the Linux 2.4 release. Everything was looking quite good from our standpoint. We had reasonable products with a wealth of interest in them. We kept working on both products after January while actively pursuing support contracts for them and developing GUI based tools to support them. From January to June we talked to a number of people who were either currently using our products, embedding our products, or looking at using our products about supporting Sistina in some manner. Although there were potential opportunities none of them came fruition. It seemed that we were just doing too good a job of supporting our product. People didn't seem to see any value in paying for good support and ensuring the viability of the products when they were already receiving good support for free and lots of others seemed to be interested in them. It was at this point that we began noticing that people were actively reselling either GFS or LVM without providing anything back to Sistina. It seemed unfair that others where generating revenue off of our products but were unwilling to provide some of that revenue back to us, thereby ensuring Sistina's and our products longevity and viability. After a fairly lengthy period of internal debate we decided that it was becoming necessary for us to change the license of GFS to eliminate people from taking advantage of Sistina's work without giving something back to the entity that developed the code. We did not make this decision lightly. In the end, the adoption of the Sistina Public License (SPL) was viewed as the logical path forward. Our intent with the license is to insure that entities that distribute, embed, or productize GFS to generate revenue have to pay a fee to Sistina for their use of GFS. If an entity is not generating revenue from GFS they can continue to use it under the SPL. Examples of this would be individuals for personal use, universities do research or commercial entities that were using GFS internally but not providing a paying service on top of it. In our minds this allowed the average user to keep using it for free. We also distribute GFS in source form so that people can still modify it for their own use and fix bugs. It also allows valuable peer view which we welcome at any time. We did put a restriction on modification redistribution though. The major reasoning behind this is that we are trying to establish GFS as a standard and didn't want there to be incompatible code forks with regards to things like on-disk meta-data formats. If it was a GFS filesystem it should be usable by any GFS implementation. We are definitely open to accepting patches and advancements to GFS but we do require that the copyright be signed over to Sistina. This is necessary so that we can maintain the copyright on the code. In cases where people are making significant contributions to the code Sistina is willing to provide monetary compensation for their copyright. In this manner people can contribute to the code without being taken advantage of and Sistina can insure that GFS is maintainable and supportable by its staff. I hope this addresses some of the questions and concerns that have arisen over that last couple of days and apologize for the delayed response. Many of us were at Linux World Expo till yesterday evening and this is the first opportunity we have had to respond. Please believe me when I say that Sistina Software is committed to the open source community and working with it. I would appreciate feedback on the SPL license and suggestions on how we can make it better for both Sistina and the open source community as a whole. --- Michael Declerck, declerck@sistina.com +1.510.823.7991 ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. What's the difference between root and God ? God doesn't think that he is root. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010903/da9a7692/attachment.pgp From seg at haxxed.com Mon Sep 3 03:57:56 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: TFT monitors -- need recommendations, warnings References: <3B5CC8A6.E9780BE7@fandre.com> <20010723222756.A30100@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <3B934614.1080300@haxxed.com> > One bit of advice: don't go for a flatpanel unless you know what you are doing. > I conseder them a necessary evil on laptops 8). They have only one good > resolution, are slow to refresh... and for the money you give on a 17" LCD you > can get a top of the line 19" CRT Isn't that supposed to be a *good* thing? Slow refresh, means no flicker, and less headaches and much better on the eyes? Sucks for gaming, but very nice for text reading. IE most non-gaming tasks. Heh... Would love to have a pair of LCDs for secondary displays. Or hell, LCD projectors... From eng at pinenet.com Mon Sep 3 08:01:21 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Developing an integrated Linux.sdm In-Reply-To: <3B92F2B5.FAF6821A@tc.umn.edu> References: <3B92F2B5.FAF6821A@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010903.13012100@linwin.mshome.net> I can only speak from a limited software expertise. But having learned programming using punch cards and having studied under the inventor of digital electronics (Otto Schmitt), computing evolution is rather clear. I'm encouraging some very talented people of this group to, on occasion, step back from the details and see the big picture. Linux is the best PC OS ever. But I have not seen it offered with the level of clarity that most people would be ready to jump into. Despite rapid improvements, even installing and booting can be complex. Configuring LILO or loadlin or using the MBR or partitioning or partitionless or adding kernel parameters or writing scripts (etc.) require advanced skills. Same with compiling an optimal kernel. Such complexities inhibit wider acceptance of Linux. Numerical analysis, medical imaging, process controls, mechanical design, point of sale, auto junkyards, etc., don't care which version of glibc you have. A huge market is ready for a simpler Linux "seed." Usually, details and refinements are realized after the overall outline is appreciated. Offering the public a very simple Linux starting point will quickly launch many new Linux enthusiasts into the depths of its capabilities. Clearly, this group has the knowledgebase to offer a Linux with training wheels. I'm excited about the Linux contributions of IBM, Sun, and Borland. IBM has an active developers' forum. Sun's StarOffice 5.2 is comprehensive with improvements promised in 6.0. Borland's Kylix is the best API I could hope for. Certainly, other contributors should be mentioned. The ingredients are there to ultimately build a premier system. But integrating java, staroffice, and kylix on the same linux platform is not obvious; and suppressing java error messages still eludes me. The directory structure is quite different between SuSE and Red Hat. Configuration tools vary. Process and memory management is not for beginners. Even creating links ("shortcuts"), mounting drives, editing fstab, setting up permissions, setting up samba, etc., are tough for all but a few. These difficulties cloud the overriding elegance of the linux file system and layered structure. Maybe it's the farmer in me, but planting a seedling is always better than trying to move a whole tree. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 9/2/01, 10:02:13 PM, Jason Hataye wrote regarding [TCLUG] Re: Developing an integrated Linux.sdm: > On putting together an "integrated Linux," what kinds of things did you > have in mind, specifically, Rick? Are you thinking that TCLUG should > put together a package linux with various applications to offer at > installfests? > Jason > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at mtu.net Mon Sep 3 08:24:41 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Stuff sucks. Sigh. In-Reply-To: <200109022247.f82Mlfg19221@ernie.destef.com> References: <200109022247.f82Mlfg19221@ernie.destef.com> Message-ID: How about suggesting this to AT&T and Qwest? They might not listen, but then again they might actually take your advice. Jason DeStefano writes: > When companies do stuff like this its because they dont have > people smart enough to know how to correctly deal with the > problem. Hell, write an in-line packet analyzer and stick it > between your internet router and DMZ router. Have it search > the data portion of packets for the string "default.ida" and if > it sees it block the packet. This is cake to do and will stop the > virus cold in its tracks leaving all other traffic unaffected. > > I cant stand incomptetant companies and the moron employees > they hire like Qwaste/MSN/whatever the hell you are this week > companies. > > > > > > At 01:58 PM 9/2/01 -0500, you wrote: > >Well here's what I got back from AT&T Broadband Mediaone Roadrunner > >@Home whatever the hell they are now about unblocking port 80. > > > >And is it just me or since merging with MSN has Qwest gotten rid of > >'select' DSL? Sigh. Fck you AT&T, and please eat a bag of death, Qwest... > > > >-------- Original Message -------- > >Subject: Re: Re: Fwd: Re: Other-r (KMM3274328V10230L0KM) > >Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 16:57:45 -0600 > >From: AT&T Broadband Internet Customer Care > > > >Reply-To: AT&T Broadband Internet Customer Care > > > >To: Callum Lerwick > > > >Dear Callum, > > > >Thank you for writing AT&T Broadband. > >We apologize for the information that you received incorrectly. > > > >Customer service agents have no control over filtered ports. > >That is a job that our network engineers get paid to do. > > > >On an individual basis, we can appreciate your expertise > >regarding Code Red, and how it effects our network. > > > >Unfortunately, the threat is network wide, and the steps > >we have taken are meant to provide the highest level > >of security to all our customers. > > > >One result of this port filtering is that people who > >are running servers out of their home networks will > >no longer be able to obtain bandwidth that they don't > >pay for. > > > >Anyone found running a server using our service, is in > >direct contravention of our service agreement, and is to > >be reported to our security people. > > > >Hopefully, this is not your situation. > > > >Until the threat from Code Red diminishes, we will continue > >to filter ports in an effort to provide security to all > >our customers. > > > >We hope that this has answered your question. > > > >Please write again with any of your concerns. > > > > > > > >Sincerely, > > > >Daniel M-w > >AT&T Broadband Online Customer Support Center > > > >Original Message Follows: > >------------------------ > > >> To unblock ports 137-139, you must write to netbios@mediaone.net. We > > >> unforutnately are not unblocking port 80 until the virus has cleared. > > >> We apologize for the inconvenience this may cause you. If you insist > > >> that there is a way to do this, please phone the person in which told > > >> you of this. > > > >Well I didn't get the name of who I spoke to. But is there any way I can > > > >possibly convince you guys to unblock port 80 on me? I am well aware of > >what codered is, how it works, and how it spreads. I have participated > >in code red reverse engineering efforts. I am also quite certain I am > >not vulnerable to code red, as I am not running IIS, it is a Linux based > > > >computer now handling the 'net connection here, and all windows machines > > > >are firewalled behind it. > > > >If you will not unblock port 80, I will just have to move to a service > >who will. DSL is looking better and better, especially after AT&T has > >come along and jacked the prices up on all cable services around here. > > > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From thomas at io.stderr.net Mon Sep 3 10:57:58 2001 From: thomas at io.stderr.net (thomas@io.stderr.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: TFT monitors -- need recommendations, warnings In-Reply-To: <3B934614.1080300@haxxed.com>; from seg@haxxed.com on Mon, Sep 03, 2001 at 03:57:56AM -0500 References: <3B5CC8A6.E9780BE7@fandre.com> <20010723222756.A30100@beaver.iucha.org> <3B934614.1080300@haxxed.com> Message-ID: <20010903175758.C36906@io.stderr.net> On Mon, Sep 03, 2001 at 03:57:56AM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: > > > One bit of advice: don't go for a flatpanel unless you know what you are doing. > > I conseder them a necessary evil on laptops 8). They have only one good > > resolution, are slow to refresh... and for the money you give on a 17" LCD you > > can get a top of the line 19" CRT > > Isn't that supposed to be a *good* thing? Slow refresh, means no > flicker, and less headaches and much better on the eyes? It's the other way around (afaik), high refresh => more stable picture and less flicker. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From songchen at yahoo.com Sat Sep 1 17:26:11 2001 From: songchen at yahoo.com (song chen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VMWare with 2.4.9 kernel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010901222611.38891.qmail@web11508.mail.yahoo.com> Yaron - Which distribution were you upgrading to 2.4.9 kernel? I run Slack 8 at home and will try the new kernel this weekend. Any tricky parts using the patch from realtime ftp server? Also, where in Pine do I check to keep a copy of the mail on the server? You showed me the other in the office bit I can't find it now :-( Thanks. . --- Yaron wrote: > Hey all, > > Got the patch, i's working now... excpet it things the 1.5GB > partition is > a 4.3 GB HDD... this'll be interesting (: > > > -Yaron > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com From Jim at bleedpurple.com Mon Sep 3 11:29:04 2001 From: Jim at bleedpurple.com (Jim Herrick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Thanks to Real-Time Message-ID: Many thanks to Dennis and Nate @ Real-Time for their support and assistance helping me transition from Qwest.Net to Real-Time using IDSL! It was as seamless as possible with less than a day of down-time for router configs, etc. I had more downtime than that in the 9 months or so that I've had the account with Qwest. For being very satisfied as the first (former Qwest) IDSL customer @ Real-Time, I have to say "Great Job!!!" Jim "bleedpurpleguy" Herrick jim@bleedpurple.com http://bleedpurple.com/ From blutgens at _HOSTNAME_ Mon Sep 3 12:32:29 2001 From: blutgens at _HOSTNAME_ (blutgens@_HOSTNAME_) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Thanks to Real-Time In-Reply-To: ; from Jim@bleedpurple.com on Mon, Sep 03, 2001 at 12:29:04PM -0400 References: Message-ID: <20010903123229.A4211@llama.sistina.com> On Mon, Sep 03, 2001 at 12:29:04PM -0400, Jim Herrick wrote: >Many thanks to Dennis and Nate @ Real-Time for their support and >assistance helping me transition from Qwest.Net to Real-Time using >IDSL! It was as seamless as possible with less than a day of down-time >for router configs, etc. I had more downtime than that in the 9 months or >so that I've had the account with Qwest. WTF is IDSL? I must have missed something. /me runs off to google..... > >For being very satisfied as the first (former Qwest) IDSL customer @ >Real-Time, I have to say "Great Job!!!" > >Jim "bleedpurpleguy" Herrick >jim@bleedpurple.com >http://bleedpurple.com/ > > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. What's the difference between root and God ? God doesn't think that he is root. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010903/89949cc5/attachment.pgp From dd-b at dd-b.net Mon Sep 3 12:39:37 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Stuff sucks. Sigh. In-Reply-To: <200109022247.f82Mlfg19221@ernie.destef.com> References: <200109022247.f82Mlfg19221@ernie.destef.com> Message-ID: Jason DeStefano writes: > When companies do stuff like this its because they dont have > people smart enough to know how to correctly deal with the > problem. Hell, write an in-line packet analyzer and stick it > between your internet router and DMZ router. Have it search > the data portion of packets for the string "default.ida" and if > it sees it block the packet. This is cake to do and will stop the > virus cold in its tracks leaving all other traffic unaffected. > > I cant stand incomptetant companies and the moron employees > they hire like Qwaste/MSN/whatever the hell you are this week > companies. > > Your brute-force suggestion would block all useful discussion *of* the worm as well as the worm itself. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ From mohmann at qwest.net Mon Sep 3 13:10:30 2001 From: mohmann at qwest.net (Marc Ohmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] oops! vaio won't boot Message-ID: <3B93C796.9030103@qwest.net> So I broke down and bought a new vaio on Friday and have been playing all weekend. Everything was working just fine, I had the 802.11b working in windows and was setting it up in linux. Since I had to build a new kernel anyhow I decided to download the latest (2.4.9). The build went fine and after the reboot I got some huge error "FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF00000000" something like that. So I thought oops I should've saved a lilo option for my old kernel. No big deal, I thought this would give me the perfect opportunity to try my new bootable slack 8.0 cd I just burned. Plug it in and reboot to a screen full of garbage -- as far as I can tell it never gets past the bios. So I try a reboot holding f2, same result. Any ideas? I've tried booting to a boot disk also with no luck. I hope I didn't just fry my new toy. Sure seems like a bios problem to me -- is there anyway that 2.4.9 did this? I was having sooo much fun [:-(] marc From seg at haxxed.com Mon Sep 3 16:28:57 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: TFT monitors -- need recommendations, warnings References: <3B5CC8A6.E9780BE7@fandre.com> <20010723222756.A30100@beaver.iucha.org> <3B934614.1080300@haxxed.com> <20010903175758.C36906@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <3B93F619.7000709@haxxed.com> thomas@io.stderr.net wrote: > On Mon, Sep 03, 2001 at 03:57:56AM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote: > >>>One bit of advice: don't go for a flatpanel unless you know what you are doing. >>>I conseder them a necessary evil on laptops 8). They have only one good >>>resolution, are slow to refresh... and for the money you give on a 17" LCD you >>>can get a top of the line 19" CRT >>> >>Isn't that supposed to be a *good* thing? Slow refresh, means no >>flicker, and less headaches and much better on the eyes? >> > > It's the other way around (afaik), high refresh => more stable picture > and less flicker. Errr, well refresh isn't the only factor. Its the refresh, in combination with the persistence of the 'phosphors'. (Well, its not phosphors on an LCD, but same difference.) LCD's are known for their ghosting. Makes them less useful for moving imagery, but on the plus side it elminates flicker. Plus LCD's have nice sharp pixels. (Good) LCD's are about as easy on the eyes as it gets. But then the tradeoff you make is ghosting and less viewing angle and less accurate color reproduction... From seg at haxxed.com Mon Sep 3 16:55:22 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Do-it-yourself MAPS/ORBS? References: <20010725044609.C12053@real-time.com> <20010725195513.C11946@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <3B93FC4A.3040005@haxxed.com> > Or you could become an American branch of any of the new ORBS', but I > think that would be something hogging bandwidth. Passive response detection. Have a deamon that watches your MTA's logfiles, and for every mailserver not already in the database as positive or negative, probe those mailservers for open relaying . Report back to a master server. Much less individual impact on the detection side than actively mass scanning the entire 'net. And detection is distributed. Hell, start up a sourceforge project and encourage everyone and their brother run the scanner, reporting back to the master server. (You'd of course want to have a username/password system to track whats coming from who, and keep track of troublemakers...) Now the downside of this is you won't find the open servers until they actually send a mail to one of the relay traps, but one mail is all it takes... Now you still need some bandwidth on the master server, but using DNS for querys was actually a pretty neat hack. Take advantage of a proven multilevel information caching tree system already in place... From mohmann at qwest.net Mon Sep 3 17:18:09 2001 From: mohmann at qwest.net (Marc Ohmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] oops! vaio won't boot References: <3B93C796.9030103@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3B9401A1.6070505@qwest.net> So I pulled the battery and unplugged the computer for about 15 minutes, booted up and got to lilo. Then I rebooted with a boot disk and made a link to the old kernel in lilo. Now everything works fine again. Scared the crap outa me :-) Marc Marc Ohmann wrote: > So I broke down and bought a new vaio on Friday and have been playing > all weekend. Everything was working just fine, I had the 802.11b > working in windows and was setting it up in linux. Since I had to > build a new kernel anyhow I decided to download the latest (2.4.9). > The build went fine and after the reboot I got some huge error > "FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF00000000" something like that. So I thought oops > I should've saved a lilo option for my old kernel. No big deal, I > thought this would give me the perfect opportunity to try my new > bootable slack 8.0 cd I just burned. Plug it in and reboot to a > screen full of garbage -- as far as I can tell it never gets past the > bios. So I try a reboot holding f2, same result. Any ideas? I've > tried booting to a boot disk also with no luck. I hope I didn't just > fry my new toy. Sure seems like a bios problem to me -- is there > anyway that 2.4.9 did this? > > I was having sooo much fun [:-(] > marc > From hata0006 at tc.umn.edu Mon Sep 3 19:21:38 2001 From: hata0006 at tc.umn.edu (Jason Hataye) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Building an integrated Linux Message-ID: <3B941E92.16BF9B4A@tc.umn.edu> I may be interested in participating in this to some extent. I'm not sure what is involved in "building an integrated Linux," as I'm pretty much a linux/computer novice compared to most of the folks here. Any technical stuff I'd have to learn and I'm a busy medical student, so the amount of linux stuff I can learn is unfortunately not much. I would be more useful in advertising and trying to get new linux users to try it. One thing I've come to think is that linux would be a total gold mine for the K-12 public schools in terms of cost, but also educational value. We all know linux is a great OS. If we decide to go for it, we would need to decide what kind of package we should put together. Perhaps we could approach some high school teachers and find out what they would want, or even if they would be interested? What a better "seed" than getting young kids to use linux? If several Tclug folks were interested in pursing this, I'd be on board. I started using linux in 1998 because I liked the idea of a free operating system and open source. I was surprised that a novice like me could not only do my daily computing stuff with linux, but that I could actually figure out, with some help from more technical people, how to put together a very useful linux box! I use my computer for (please don't be offended Tclugers) email, surfing the web, a very little bit of scanner/imaging, and word procecessing. I can't program, and I know only the very basic unix commands. I'm very enthusiastic about making linux more accessible. If I can use it on a daily basis, a lot more people could! Jason From josh at greentechnologist.org Mon Sep 3 20:31:12 2001 From: josh at greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Building an integrated Linux In-Reply-To: <3B941E92.16BF9B4A@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: Well... I'm thinking that I'll probably have to get the numbers on this but I'd think that just saying "k-12 can use a 'F'ree OS" is rather limiting. I'd much rather advocate that our respective municipal governments spend their money on important things instead of licensing for non-Free software. Think about this for a minute - how many computers does it take to run a local government. The licensing costs for that have got to be astronomical and what that really means is your tax dollars at work, funding non-Free software. I'd be interested in hearing if anyone else is already working on this issue. Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free speech is simply staggering." - someone else On Mon, 3 Sep 2001, Jason Hataye wrote: > > > I may be interested in participating in this to some extent. I'm not > sure what is involved in "building an integrated Linux," as I'm pretty > much a linux/computer novice compared to most of the folks here. Any > technical stuff I'd have to learn and I'm a busy medical student, so the > amount of linux stuff I can learn is unfortunately not much. I would be > more useful in advertising and trying to get new linux users to try > it. One thing I've come to think is that linux would be a total gold > mine for the K-12 public schools in terms of cost, but also educational > value. We all know linux is a great OS. If we decide to go for it, we > would need to decide what kind of package we should put together. > Perhaps we could approach some high school teachers and find out what > they would want, or even if they would be interested? What a better > "seed" than getting young kids to use linux? If several Tclug folks were > interested in pursing this, I'd be on board. ...... From doug at northlandstudios.com Mon Sep 3 20:35:20 2001 From: doug at northlandstudios.com (Doug) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Different kinds of XP (Was: XP hardware detection / protection) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Sep 3 20:56:03 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Another weird VMWare problem... Message-ID: Hey, Ok, I got VMWare running under 2.4.9. Works nicely enough, except for one thing. After running for about 5 minutes, the network dissapears. When I boot the guest OS (Win98) I get an IP address from DHCP, and for a while can access SAMBA shares, the internet, whatever. Then suddenly it dies. winipcfg says "media disconnected", and offers no renewal options. The forums on vmware's newsserver suggested updating the network drivers, which I have, though it did not help. Anyone have any ideas? I can't find any logging information, either... -Yaron -- From tlupfer01 at gw.hamline.edu Mon Sep 3 21:16:12 2001 From: tlupfer01 at gw.hamline.edu (Tim Lupfer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Intel 3200 DSL modems and Linux In-Reply-To: <20010901043127.90400.qmail@web13007.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010901043127.90400.qmail@web13007.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010903211612.A499@gw.hamline.edu> On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 09:31:27PM -0700, Elvedin T. wrote: > OK, for sure, Linux dosent support the Intel 3200 DSL modem, or the other way around. Well I have some news. FreeBSD, does support the DSL modem, I think. When I was installing it it detected the modem, or so I think. I never could get FreeBSD installed because I get CD-Rom errors. I think I burned the CD wrong. You will need the latest version of FreeBSD. Well, if anyone can back up my alligations, your help will be greatly appreatieted. I know FreeBSD is not Linux, but its just as good. Hey, its not Windows. If it's like netbsd, the fact that it knows what the device is called doesn't attest to anything, check to see what the device name is, in netbsd it comes up as "blah blah blah dsl modem gen0", gen0 being a generic usb device that it doesn't have a clue how to work with. -- timothy lupfer tlupfer01@gw.hamline.edu www.assimilated.org What happened last night can happen again. From destef at destef.com Mon Sep 3 22:05:20 2001 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Stuff sucks. Sigh. In-Reply-To: References: <200109022247.f82Mlfg19221@ernie.destef.com> <200109022247.f82Mlfg19221@ernie.destef.com> Message-ID: <200109040305.f84358g22265@ernie.destef.com> if you match it to port 80 then yes, all discussion via the web of the worm, but non other non-port 80 discussion. Small price to pay to stop the virus cold. Once stopped...whats their to discuss? Also, encryptped xfers discussing "default.ida" would still go though. Its better than just blocking ALL port 80. I'd rather block even legit stuff that mentions "default.ida" that ALL HTTP. Thats just silly. At 12:39 PM 9/3/01 -0500, you wrote: >Jason DeStefano writes: > >> When companies do stuff like this its because they dont have >> people smart enough to know how to correctly deal with the >> problem. Hell, write an in-line packet analyzer and stick it >> between your internet router and DMZ router. Have it search >> the data portion of packets for the string "default.ida" and if >> it sees it block the packet. This is cake to do and will stop the >> virus cold in its tracks leaving all other traffic unaffected. >> >> I cant stand incomptetant companies and the moron employees >> they hire like Qwaste/MSN/whatever the hell you are this week >> companies. >> >> > >Your brute-force suggestion would block all useful discussion *of* the >worm as well as the worm itself. >-- >David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net >Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ >Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dieman at ringworld.org Mon Sep 3 22:13:46 2001 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott M. Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Stuff sucks. Sigh. In-Reply-To: <200109040305.f84358g22265@ernie.destef.com> References: <200109022247.f82Mlfg19221@ernie.destef.com> <200109022247.f82Mlfg19221@ernie.destef.com> <200109040305.f84358g22265@ernie.destef.com> Message-ID: <999573226.31798.1.camel@teela> On 03 Sep 2001 22:05:20 -0500, Jason DeStefano wrote: > though. Its better than just blocking ALL port 80. I'd rather block > even legit stuff that mentions "default.ida" that ALL HTTP. Thats > just silly. And when you find a network device large enough thats cost effective for $46 to $40/mo internet access users for an ISP that can do this sort of thing to gigs of traffic, let me know. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From jay at slushpupie.com Mon Sep 3 22:28:52 2001 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network Timeouts Message-ID: <20010904032854.YYES10302.femail32.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> I recently set up a new server, and am having some network troubles. The problem is it takes 30 some seconds for POP3 to connect up. When I telnet to it "connects" right away, but it takes 20-30 seconds before the POP converstaion to start. The same for FTP and other protocols. I know there is a setting for this somewhere, but I dont know how to change it or what to change it to. Can anyone direct me to the right place? Jay -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- Q: What do you get when you cross the Godfather with an attorney? A: An offer you can't understand. From poverby at megsinet.net Mon Sep 3 23:30:06 2001 From: poverby at megsinet.net (Paul Overby) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Stuff sucks. Sigh. References: <200109022247.f82Mlfg19221@ernie.destef.com> <200109022247.f82Mlfg19221@ernie.destef.com> <200109040305.f84358g22265@ernie.destef.com> <999573226.31798.1.camel@teela> Message-ID: <3B9458CE.9E85F49A@megsinet.net> Touch? - who can count the number of great ideas that have died for lack of scalability "Scott M. Dier" wrote: > On 03 Sep 2001 22:05:20 -0500, Jason DeStefano wrote: > > though. Its better than just blocking ALL port 80. I'd rather block > > even legit stuff that mentions "default.ida" that ALL HTTP. Thats > > just silly. > > And when you find a network device large enough thats cost effective for > $46 to $40/mo internet access users for an ISP that can do this sort of > thing to gigs of traffic, let me know. > > -- > Scott Dier > http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Paul Overby Poverby@megsinet.net Office: 651-686-6074 Home: 452-3233 From thomas at stderr.net Mon Sep 3 23:48:45 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network Timeouts In-Reply-To: <20010904032854.YYES10302.femail32.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there>; from jay@slushpupie.com on Mon, Sep 03, 2001 at 10:28:52PM -0500 References: <20010904032854.YYES10302.femail32.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Message-ID: <20010904064845.A45269@io.stderr.net> On Mon, Sep 03, 2001 at 10:28:52PM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > I recently set up a new server, and am having some network troubles. The > problem is it takes 30 some seconds for POP3 to connect up. When I telnet to > it "connects" right away, but it takes 20-30 seconds before the POP > converstaion to start. The same for FTP and other protocols. I know there > is a setting for this somewhere, but I dont know how to change it or what to > change it to. Can anyone direct me to the right place? Dns timeout? -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From wilson at visi.com Tue Sep 4 07:10:10 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rage 128 still not working Message-ID: Hey everyone, I followed Florin and Carl's suggestions, but I'm still unable to get anything working with ATI Xpert2000 card. I tried compiling a kernel with framebuffer support and I don't see the cute little penguin along with the rest of the kernel messages. I suppose it's possible that I have a bad card. Any other ideas? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From natecars at real-time.com Tue Sep 4 07:18:04 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Stuff sucks. Sigh. In-Reply-To: <3B92813B.5080304@haxxed.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 2 Sep 2001, Callum Lerwick wrote: > Well here's what I got back from AT&T Broadband Mediaone Roadrunner > @Home whatever the hell they are now about unblocking port 80. > > And is it just me or since merging with MSN has Qwest gotten rid of > 'select' DSL? Sigh. Fck you AT&T, and please eat a bag of death, Qwest... they got rid of it when they made the switch to DMT technology, as it didn't support the 'partially-on' bs that select was. Select sucks. I'm glad it's gone.. such a pain to support, didn't even work with the 675/678.. They replaced it with a 256/256 DSL line for $22/mo (or something like that). 640/256 is still at $32/mo (or something along those lines).. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Tue Sep 4 07:18:45 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network Timeouts In-Reply-To: <20010904032854.YYES10302.femail32.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Sep 2001, Jay Kline wrote: > I recently set up a new server, and am having some network troubles. The > problem is it takes 30 some seconds for POP3 to connect up. When I telnet to > it "connects" right away, but it takes 20-30 seconds before the POP > converstaion to start. The same for FTP and other protocols. I know there > is a setting for this somewhere, but I dont know how to change it or what to > change it to. Can anyone direct me to the right place? Jay, My bet is that you are using a DNS server that isn't working right. That sounds a lot like a Reverse DNS timeout. Or, maybe, you don't have reverse dns on the IP you're connecting from? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From destef at destef.com Tue Sep 4 07:43:56 2001 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Stuff sucks. Sigh. In-Reply-To: <3B9458CE.9E85F49A@megsinet.net> References: <200109022247.f82Mlfg19221@ernie.destef.com> <200109022247.f82Mlfg19221@ernie.destef.com> <200109040305.f84358g22265@ernie.destef.com> <999573226.31798.1.camel@teela> Message-ID: <200109041243.f84Cheg23222@ernie.destef.com> Why try to find a product to do that when ive already written it? The software is currently in the testing phase (and I already have an interested party). Btw, it also not only blocks based on content but does firewalling, nat, and bandwidth management (like packeteer) plus whatever else i decide to throw in there. And an average processor of today could easily handle a T3 or more. When and *if* this becomes an actual product I'll be sure and send you guys the link so you can donate your hard-earned cash. If your nice though, maybe I'll ask for some people interested in beta testing it in the (near) future. Email me offline if you have a serious interest. Cant promise anything though... :) Touch?. At 11:30 PM 9/3/01 -0500, you wrote: >Touch? - who can count the number of great ideas that have died for lack of >scalability > >"Scott M. Dier" wrote: > >> On 03 Sep 2001 22:05:20 -0500, Jason DeStefano wrote: >> > though. Its better than just blocking ALL port 80. I'd rather block >> > even legit stuff that mentions "default.ida" that ALL HTTP. Thats >> > just silly. >> >> And when you find a network device large enough thats cost effective for >> $46 to $40/mo internet access users for an ISP that can do this sort of >> thing to gigs of traffic, let me know. >> >> -- >> Scott Dier >> http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net >> _______________________________________________ >> tclug-list mailing list >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >-- >Paul Overby >Poverby@megsinet.net >Office: 651-686-6074 >Home: 452-3233 > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From destef at destef.com Tue Sep 4 07:47:04 2001 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network Timeouts In-Reply-To: <20010904064845.A45269@io.stderr.net> References: <20010904032854.YYES10302.femail32.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> <20010904032854.YYES10302.femail32.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Message-ID: <200109041246.f84Ckmg23232@ernie.destef.com> DNS timeouts has been my experience. Remove entries in your resolve.conf file. If you are DHCP you're out of luck (or else script the removal). It appears to me that TimeWarner (at least) will hang on 10.* DNS lookups rather than reply immediately with no answer. I've had to just live with the problem although its more like only 5-10 seconds for me. Just an idea... At 06:48 AM 9/4/01 +0200, you wrote: >On Mon, Sep 03, 2001 at 10:28:52PM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: >> I recently set up a new server, and am having some network troubles. The >> problem is it takes 30 some seconds for POP3 to connect up. When I telnet to >> it "connects" right away, but it takes 20-30 seconds before the POP >> converstaion to start. The same for FTP and other protocols. I know there >> is a setting for this somewhere, but I dont know how to change it or what to >> change it to. Can anyone direct me to the right place? > >Dns timeout? > >-- > Thomas Eibner DnsZone > mod_pointer > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From fertch at mninter.net Tue Sep 4 09:16:08 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISA modem In-Reply-To: <20010831114853.M4906@beaver.iucha.org> References: <01083011321101.00829@bleys> <01083110520303.00485@bleys> <20010831114853.M4906@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <01090409160801.00488@bleys> On Friday 31 August 2001 11:48, you wrote: > Use minicom and check > 1. if you get at working > 2. if you can manualy dial out > 3. if you can login to the ppp server I'm not familiar with minicom, I've always just used the pppsetup to test it. When I run ppp-on, I don't hear the modem click to turn on or off. I'm assuming that it's not detecting the modem still. >Sounds like an old 8 bit card. ?Is it possible that the jumpers are set to >an IRQ that something else is using? ?Most of the older ISA modems had an >IRQ range up to 7, could it be set the same as your parallel port or sound >card? Parallel is IRQ of 7. Modem is 5. All of the external serial ports are disabled, and as far as I can tell there isn't anything with this IRQ besides the modem. In Windows, I can go into the control panel and look at the irq's assigned. What's the equivalent for Linux and how can it be done if possible? May have to pull the modem out and get the model # then visit Linmodem sights. Even though this isn't a Winmodem, may find something useful. Shawn From rsinland at gvtel.com Tue Sep 4 09:26:00 2001 From: rsinland at gvtel.com (Robert Sinland) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISA modem References: <01083011321101.00829@bleys> <01083110520303.00485@bleys> <20010831114853.M4906@beaver.iucha.org> <01090409160801.00488@bleys> Message-ID: <3B94E478.726D2ABA@gvtel.com> Shawn Fertch wrote: > On Friday 31 August 2001 11:48, you wrote: > > Use minicom and check > > 1. if you get at working > > 2. if you can manualy dial out > > 3. if you can login to the ppp server > > I'm not familiar with minicom, I've always just used the pppsetup to test it. > When I run ppp-on, I don't hear the modem click to turn on or off. I'm > assuming that it's not detecting the modem still. > > >Sounds like an old 8 bit card. Is it possible that the jumpers are set to > >an IRQ that something else is using? Most of the older ISA modems had an > >IRQ range up to 7, could it be set the same as your parallel port or sound > >card? > > Parallel is IRQ of 7. Modem is 5. All of the external serial ports are > disabled, and as far as I can tell there isn't anything with this IRQ besides > the modem. In Windows, I can go into the control panel and look at the irq's > assigned. What's the equivalent for Linux and how can it be done if possible? > Just a thought, but why not set the jumpers to something more standard, like com 2 IRQ 3? RS From jay at slushpupie.com Tue Sep 4 09:29:23 2001 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network Timeouts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010904142932.EFAI28036.femail34.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> I had thought of that, but I am not sure that is the issue. When I do an nslookup on the ip, it brings back the hostname rather quickly (almost faster than some other hosts not having this issue). To be sure, I added my IP address and host name into /etc/hosts on the server, and still nothing changes. I forgot to mention that the server is behind a linux firewall, which is forwarding ports to services in use. The services in use are: http (apache) https (apache) ssh (openSSH) ftp (proFTPd) pop3 (qmail) smtp (qmail) DNS (bind9) the http* seems to be working just fine, the others are all slow to start up. Also, ssh tends to dissconnect randomly. The server is running a basic setup of Debian Potato, and the firewall is Mandrake 7.2. If this is a DNS issue, what do I need to do to resolve it? Or are there any other ideas? Jay On Tuesday 04 September 2001 07:18 am, you wrote: > On Mon, 3 Sep 2001, Jay Kline wrote: > > I recently set up a new server, and am having some network troubles. The > > problem is it takes 30 some seconds for POP3 to connect up. When I > > telnet to it "connects" right away, but it takes 20-30 seconds before the > > POP converstaion to start. The same for FTP and other protocols. I know > > there is a setting for this somewhere, but I dont know how to change it > > or what to change it to. Can anyone direct me to the right place? > > Jay, > > My bet is that you are using a DNS server that isn't working right. That > sounds a lot like a Reverse DNS timeout. > > Or, maybe, you don't have reverse dns on the IP you're connecting from? -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- Communicate! It can't make things any worse. From bgilbertson at stonel.com Tue Sep 4 09:43:58 2001 From: bgilbertson at stonel.com (Bob Gilbertson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Building an integrated Linux References: Message-ID: <3B94E8AE.1EA9AC27@stonel.com> > I'd be > interested in hearing if anyone else is already working on this issue. Not so much on the local level, AFAIK, but higher levels already are. Came across this: http://www.aaxnet.com/topics/nightmare.html#foreign I'd love to see a simple, no admin, easy install distro with email, web and an office suite. IMO this would handle the bulk of what the computer user needs. Bob "Joshua b. Jore" wrote: > > Well... I'm thinking that I'll probably have to get the numbers on > this but I'd think that just saying "k-12 can use a 'F'ree OS" is > rather limiting. I'd much rather advocate that our respective > municipal governments spend their money on important things instead of > licensing for non-Free software. Think about this for a minute - how > many computers does it take to run a local government. The licensing > costs for that have got to be astronomical and what that really means > is your tax dollars at work, funding non-Free software. I'd be > interested in hearing if anyone else is already working on this issue. > > Joshua Jore > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 From natecars at real-time.com Tue Sep 4 09:44:36 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network Timeouts In-Reply-To: <20010904142932.EFAI28036.femail34.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Sep 2001, Jay Kline wrote: > I had thought of that, but I am not sure that is the issue. When I do an > nslookup on the ip, it brings back the hostname rather quickly (almost faster > than some other hosts not having this issue). To be sure, I added my IP > address and host name into /etc/hosts on the server, and still nothing > changes. I forgot to mention that the server is behind a linux firewall, > which is forwarding ports to services in use. The services in use are: > > http (apache) > https (apache) > ssh (openSSH) > ftp (proFTPd) > pop3 (qmail) > smtp (qmail) > DNS (bind9) > > the http* seems to be working just fine, the others are all slow to start up. > Also, ssh tends to dissconnect randomly. The server is running a basic > setup of Debian Potato, and the firewall is Mandrake 7.2. > > If this is a DNS issue, what do I need to do to resolve it? Or are there any > other ideas? Have you checked the logs? Is it trying to do an IDENT lookup? Just FYI, HTTP is usually config'd not to do reverse DNS lookups or ident lookups.. so either of those could explain why that's faster. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From simeonuj at eetc.com Tue Sep 4 10:00:48 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Developing an integrated Linux.sdm References: <3B92F2B5.FAF6821A@tc.umn.edu> <20010903.13012100@linwin.mshome.net> Message-ID: <3B94EC8F.54F321F0@eetc.com> Rick Engebretson wrote: > > Linux is the best PC OS ever. But I have not seen it offered with the > level of clarity that most people would be ready to jump into. Despite > rapid improvements, even installing and booting can be complex. > Configuring LILO or loadlin or using the MBR or partitioning or > partitionless or adding kernel parameters or writing scripts (etc.) > require advanced skills. Same with compiling an optimal kernel. Such > complexities inhibit wider acceptance of Linux. Numerical analysis, > medical imaging, process controls, mechanical design, point of sale, auto > junkyards, etc., don't care which version of glibc you have. A huge > market is ready for a simpler Linux "seed." Usually, details and > refinements are realized after the overall outline is appreciated. > Offering the public a very simple Linux starting point will quickly > launch many new Linux enthusiasts into the depths of its capabilities. > Clearly, this group has the knowledgebase to offer a Linux with training > wheels. I'd be willing to get into something like this. It would be a great project to further my linux skills. TCLUG linux... Linux w/ Training Wheels. Interesting. :) > But integrating java, staroffice, and kylix on the same linux platform is > not obvious; and suppressing java error messages still eludes me. The > directory structure is quite different between SuSE and Red Hat. > Configuration tools vary. Process and memory management is not for > beginners. Even creating links ("shortcuts"), mounting drives, editing > fstab, setting up permissions, setting up samba, etc., are tough for all > but a few. These difficulties cloud the overriding elegance of the linux > file system and layered structure. There is the Linux standard now. That would be a good place to start. Every mainstream/recent distro should support this. > Maybe it's the farmer in me, but planting a seedling is always better > than trying to move a whole tree. Some of us just don't have the time nor patience for that. :) sim From fertch at mninter.net Tue Sep 4 10:05:01 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISA modem In-Reply-To: <3B94E478.726D2ABA@gvtel.com> References: <01083011321101.00829@bleys> <01090409160801.00488@bleys> <3B94E478.726D2ABA@gvtel.com> Message-ID: <01090410050102.00488@bleys> On Tuesday 04 September 2001 09:26, you wrote: > Just a thought, but why not set the jumpers to something more standard, > like com 2 IRQ 3? Uh... hrmm. Uh. Too much work. =P Shawn From veldy at veldy.net Tue Sep 4 10:22:53 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network Timeouts References: <20010904032854.YYES10302.femail32.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> <20010904032854.YYES10302.femail32.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> <200109041246.f84Ckmg23232@ernie.destef.com> Message-ID: <006101c13555$7eeabd90$3028680a@tgt.com> Just set up your own DNS server. Forward to their DNS servers (they should be a fixed address, right :) Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason DeStefano" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 7:47 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Network Timeouts > DNS timeouts has been my experience. Remove entries in > your resolve.conf file. If you are DHCP you're out of luck (or > else script the removal). It appears to me that TimeWarner (at > least) will hang on 10.* DNS lookups rather than reply immediately > with no answer. I've had to just live with the problem although > its more like only 5-10 seconds for me. > > Just an idea... > > > At 06:48 AM 9/4/01 +0200, you wrote: > >On Mon, Sep 03, 2001 at 10:28:52PM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > >> I recently set up a new server, and am having some network troubles. The > >> problem is it takes 30 some seconds for POP3 to connect up. When I > telnet to > >> it "connects" right away, but it takes 20-30 seconds before the POP > >> converstaion to start. The same for FTP and other protocols. I know > there > >> is a setting for this somewhere, but I dont know how to change it or > what to > >> change it to. Can anyone direct me to the right place? > > > >Dns timeout? > > > >-- > > Thomas Eibner DnsZone > > mod_pointer > > > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jay at slushpupie.com Tue Sep 4 10:27:25 2001 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network Timeouts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010904152734.PKIU29231.femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> I dont think it is trying to do an IDENT lookup. None of my mail logs show hostnames, and I am not sure how I would turn it off- I didnt notice any config options for that. I made sure it was turned off for FTP, again with no difference. Any other hints? Jay On Tuesday 04 September 2001 09:44 am, you wrote: > On Tue, 4 Sep 2001, Jay Kline wrote: > > I had thought of that, but I am not sure that is the issue. When I do an > > nslookup on the ip, it brings back the hostname rather quickly (almost > > faster than some other hosts not having this issue). To be sure, I added > > my IP address and host name into /etc/hosts on the server, and still > > nothing changes. I forgot to mention that the server is behind a linux > > firewall, which is forwarding ports to services in use. The services > > in use are: > > > > http (apache) > > https (apache) > > ssh (openSSH) > > ftp (proFTPd) > > pop3 (qmail) > > smtp (qmail) > > DNS (bind9) > > > > the http* seems to be working just fine, the others are all slow to start > > up. Also, ssh tends to dissconnect randomly. The server is running a > > basic setup of Debian Potato, and the firewall is Mandrake 7.2. > > > > If this is a DNS issue, what do I need to do to resolve it? Or are there > > any other ideas? > > Have you checked the logs? > > Is it trying to do an IDENT lookup? > > Just FYI, HTTP is usually config'd not to do reverse DNS lookups or ident > lookups.. so either of those could explain why that's faster. -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- Do something unusual today. Pay a bill. From jay at slushpupie.com Tue Sep 4 10:33:34 2001 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Network Timeouts In-Reply-To: <006101c13555$7eeabd90$3028680a@tgt.com> References: <20010904032854.YYES10302.femail32.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> <200109041246.f84Ckmg23232@ernie.destef.com> <006101c13555$7eeabd90$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20010904153343.VHQB29437.femail46.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Already running my own DNS server, I host 4 domains on it On Tuesday 04 September 2001 10:22 am, you wrote: > Just set up your own DNS server. Forward to their DNS servers (they should > be a fixed address, right :) > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jason DeStefano" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 7:47 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Network Timeouts > > > DNS timeouts has been my experience. Remove entries in > > your resolve.conf file. If you are DHCP you're out of luck (or > > else script the removal). It appears to me that TimeWarner (at > > least) will hang on 10.* DNS lookups rather than reply immediately > > with no answer. I've had to just live with the problem although > > its more like only 5-10 seconds for me. > > > > Just an idea... > > > > At 06:48 AM 9/4/01 +0200, you wrote: > > >On Mon, Sep 03, 2001 at 10:28:52PM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > > >> I recently set up a new server, and am having some network troubles. > > The > > > >> problem is it takes 30 some seconds for POP3 to connect up. When I > > > > telnet to > > > > >> it "connects" right away, but it takes 20-30 seconds before the POP > > >> converstaion to start. The same for FTP and other protocols. I know > > > > there > > > > >> is a setting for this somewhere, but I dont know how to change it or > > > > what to > > > > >> change it to. Can anyone direct me to the right place? > > > > > >Dns timeout? > > > > > >-- > > > Thomas Eibner DnsZone > > > mod_pointer > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >tclug-list mailing list > > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- Things past redress and now with me past care. -- William Shakespeare, "Richard II" From florin at iucha.net Tue Sep 4 10:46:09 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISA modem In-Reply-To: <01090409160801.00488@bleys>; from fertch@mninter.net on Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 09:16:08AM -0500 References: <01083011321101.00829@bleys> <01083110520303.00485@bleys> <20010831114853.M4906@beaver.iucha.org> <01090409160801.00488@bleys> Message-ID: <20010904104608.A10666@beaver.iucha.org> On Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 09:16:08AM -0500, Shawn Fertch wrote: > On Friday 31 August 2001 11:48, you wrote: > > Use minicom and check > > 1. if you get at working > > 2. if you can manualy dial out > > 3. if you can login to the ppp server > > I'm not familiar with minicom, I've always just used the pppsetup to test it. > When I run ppp-on, I don't hear the modem click to turn on or off. I'm > assuming that it's not detecting the modem still. man minicom > > > >Sounds like an old 8 bit card. ?Is it possible that the jumpers are set to > >an IRQ that something else is using? ?Most of the older ISA modems had an > >IRQ range up to 7, could it be set the same as your parallel port or sound > >card? > > Parallel is IRQ of 7. Modem is 5. All of the external serial ports are > disabled, and as far as I can tell there isn't anything with this IRQ besides > the modem. In Windows, I can go into the control panel and look at the irq's > assigned. What's the equivalent for Linux and how can it be done if possible? cat /proc/interrupts florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Tue Sep 4 10:59:10 2001 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Stuff sucks. Sigh. Message-ID: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A593F850@ipserver2.interplastic.com> I agree that AT&T and others are doing more than required, but blocking port 80 altogether will probably free up a little bandwidth for browsing, which will benefit all, even if it hurts those using a home user ISP for webhosting. Even though that was expressly forbidden. Ryan From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Sep 4 11:35:56 2001 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott M. Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Stuff sucks. Sigh. In-Reply-To: <200109041243.f84Cheg23222@ernie.destef.com> References: <200109022247.f82Mlfg19221@ernie.destef.com> <200109022247.f82Mlfg19221@ernie.destef.com> <200109040305.f84358g22265@ernie.destef.com> <999573226.31798.1.camel@teela> <200109041243.f84Cheg23222@ernie.destef.com> Message-ID: <999621356.2825.1.camel@teela> On 04 Sep 2001 07:43:56 -0500, Jason DeStefano wrote: > an average processor of today could easily handle a T3 or Normal requirements for this sort of stuff is: A) It runs on some sort of embedded hardware, not a stock PC, with some sort of decent MTBF. B) T3 is wayyyy tooo sloowww. you need to be thinking about OC12+ connections these days. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ irc://irc.openprojects.net/linuxos From tmechanic at mn.mediaone.net Tue Sep 4 13:27:41 2001 From: tmechanic at mn.mediaone.net (BT) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A cry from beyond Message-ID: <3B951D1D.144F85B5@mn.mediaone.net> Jamie and I will be moving shortly -- which means that the Binder Bulletin servers will be moving as well. This move would be an excellent time to consolidate some of the server hardware. I'd like to make the acquaintance of someone who can install FrontPage server extensions on an Apache Web Server that is running on RedHat Linux 7.0 I have attempted this install a couple of times and never succeeded. Anyone out there who can do this with confidence? Compensation is negotiable. If you yourself are not the person I need -- but you know someone who *is* -- please pass along my request. bthebert@binderbulletin.org From mike at getbent.net Tue Sep 4 14:42:16 2001 From: mike at getbent.net (Mike Nielsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backing up MySQL Message-ID: <01090414421603.00374@Dingo> Hi there, I know which Microsoft SQL and Veritas Backup exec I need to either install the Veritas SQL agent or scedule MsSQL to do a database dump to a file every night to be sure I have a valid backup of that data. I assume the procedure is somewhat the same with MySQL regardless the backup software I use? For now I'm toying with Kbackup .... I would like to avoid having to kill mysqld backing up and then restarting if at all possible. Any ideas? -- ----------------------------- |\/|ike@GetBent.net From fertch at mninter.net Tue Sep 4 14:54:35 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Exporting displays Message-ID: <01090414543504.00488@bleys> I'm trying to set up display exporting from one machine to another. I have it working if I set the export: export DISPLAY=10.203.1.50:0.0 However, there's one problem. I'm on DHCP and it's a major pain to try and request static IP's. How can I set this up so that in my .profile I can do so on DHCP without using DNS? -- Shawn From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Tue Sep 4 14:58:33 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Exporting displays In-Reply-To: <01090414543504.00488@bleys> References: <01090414543504.00488@bleys> Message-ID: <20010904145833.A6938@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 02:54:35PM -0500, Shawn Fertch wrote: > I'm trying to set up display exporting from one machine to another. I have > it working if I set the export: > > export DISPLAY=10.203.1.50:0.0 > > However, there's one problem. I'm on DHCP and it's a major pain to try and > request static IP's. How can I set this up so that in my .profile I can do > so on DHCP without using DNS? Use ssh so the exporting is automatic. You could setup scripts to automate it using aliases, etc, but it doesn't seem like it would be worth the effort unless you have a strong reason for avoiding ssh. -- Jim Crumley | Free Dmitry Sklyarov! crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | http://freesklyarov.org/ Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From josh at greentechnologist.org Tue Sep 4 15:07:16 2001 From: josh at greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backing up MySQL In-Reply-To: <01090414421603.00374@Dingo> Message-ID: Well... if you were using PostgreSQL I'd tell you to run `pg_dump -F c -Z 9 '. You're not so I'll just have to assume the MySQL folks have a similar utility. Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free speech is simply staggering." - someone else On Tue, 4 Sep 2001, Mike Nielsen wrote: > > Hi there, > > I know which Microsoft SQL and Veritas > Backup exec I need to either install the Veritas > SQL agent or scedule MsSQL to do a database dump to a > file every night to be sure I have a valid backup of that data. > > > I assume the procedure is somewhat the same with MySQL > regardless the backup software I use? For now I'm > toying with Kbackup .... > > I would like to avoid having to kill mysqld backing up and then > restarting if at all possible. > > Any ideas? > > > -- > > > ----------------------------- > |\/|ike@GetBent.net > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Tue Sep 4 15:17:01 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Exporting displays Message-ID: Shawn, SSH is the best option. If you cannot/have-a-good-reason-not-to use SSH, look for an environment variable like $REMOTEHOST. export DISPLAY=$REMOTEHOST:0.0 Good luck, Troy >>> crumley@belka.space.umn.edu 09/04/01 02:58PM >>> On Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 02:54:35PM -0500, Shawn Fertch wrote: > I'm trying to set up display exporting from one machine to another. I have > it working if I set the export: > > export DISPLAY=10.203.1.50:0.0 > > However, there's one problem. I'm on DHCP and it's a major pain to try and > request static IP's. How can I set this up so that in my .profile I can do > so on DHCP without using DNS? Use ssh so the exporting is automatic. You could setup scripts to automate it using aliases, etc, but it doesn't seem like it would be worth the effort unless you have a strong reason for avoiding ssh. -- Jim Crumley | Free Dmitry Sklyarov! crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | http://freesklyarov.org/ Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bradyh at bitstream.net Tue Sep 4 15:29:28 2001 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backing up MySQL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <999635368.16075.182.camel@localhost.localdomain> I use something like this: mysqldump --tab=/var/lib/mysql/backup --all --user=root -p --fields-terminated-by="|" ecom Problem with this is you have to type in your mySQL root password or pass it in the script. Which seems inconvenient or unsafe respectively... Brady > Well... if you were using PostgreSQL I'd tell you to run `pg_dump -F c > -Z 9 '. You're not so I'll just have to assume the MySQL folks > have a similar utility. > > Joshua Jore > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing > to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free > speech is simply staggering." - someone else > > On Tue, 4 Sep 2001, Mike Nielsen wrote: > > > > > Hi there, > > > > I know which Microsoft SQL and Veritas > > Backup exec I need to either install the Veritas > > SQL agent or scedule MsSQL to do a database dump to a > > file every night to be sure I have a valid backup of that data. > > > > > > I assume the procedure is somewhat the same with MySQL > > regardless the backup software I use? For now I'm > > toying with Kbackup .... > > > > I would like to avoid having to kill mysqld backing up and then > > restarting if at all possible. > > > > Any ideas? From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Tue Sep 4 15:58:44 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FW: VMware Workstation 3.0 beta - AVAILABLE NOW Message-ID: Just got this, I know someone was asking over the weekend about support for WinXP... Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 -----Original Message----- From: VMware [mailto:vmwarenews@vmware.m0.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 3:48 PM To: jspinti@dart.dartdist.com Subject: VMware Workstation 3.0 beta - AVAILABLE NOW Dear VMware User, We are pleased to announce the immediate availability of the beta version of VMware(TM) Workstation 3.0, our award-winning desktop product. Workstation 3.0 is our most powerful and comprehensive desktop software release ever! Workstation 3.0 provides support for the latest operating systems, including Microsoft(R) Windows(R) XP and the latest Linux distributions. 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Wilcoxon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISO complete August Twin Cities Computer User In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 31 Aug 2001 19:16:57 CDT." <20010831191657.A5076@iaxs.net> References: <20010831191657.A5076@iaxs.net> Message-ID: <200109042145.RAA18019@mnmailhost> On Fri 2001/08/31 19:16:57 CDT, Scott Raun writes: > Rumor has it that the August edition of the Computer User had a "50% > off any single item" coupon for MEI MicroCenter in it. Said coupon > good until mid-September. > > Can anyone confirm or deny this rumor? Anyone have copy or two they > aren't going to use? Anyone have any idea where I might find some > August issues? The rack at MicroCenter is now full of the September > issue. The August issue contained a coupon for 50% off any single accessory (4 character code beginning with A towards upper right of price tag) up to a max of $100 off. I don't know where you can find them anymore -- I grabbed mine from MicroCenter. From mohmann at qwest.net Tue Sep 4 16:56:18 2001 From: mohmann at qwest.net (Marc Ohmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux/Win laptop References: <3B75B5A4.7000206@winternet.com> Message-ID: <3B954E02.8000006@qwest.net> I just purchased a vaio for that exact purpose. Its not an Athlon but it is an 800 Duron and I am pretty impressed with the speed. The reinstal disk will reinstal windows and all the sony apps on the shred drive. Linux with 802.11b and apm installed without a hitch -- except I can't run a Duron optimized kernel yet. Marc Michael Vieths wrote: > I'm in the market for a laptop, preferably an Athlon, from a company > that'll either preinstall both Windows and Linux on it, or one that > will give me an actual copy of Windows so I can repartition and > install them both. Any suggestions on who to talk to? > From foeclan at winternet.com Tue Sep 4 17:19:33 2001 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux/Win laptop References: <3B75B5A4.7000206@winternet.com> <3B954E02.8000006@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3B955375.8040701@winternet.com> I ended up buying a Compaq Presario 1200Z (900mhz Athlon, ATI Rage Mobility, 20gb drive, 128mb RAM, DVD/CD-RW combo drive, 14.1" TFT). Linux installed without any problems. Enabling the 'Athlon' optimizations in the kernel made some things real flaky, though. I'm guessing they haven't been set up to accomodate the Athlon 4 stuff yet. Otherwise, everything works great under Linux. Compaq alternately was helpful in telling me where to get drivers and completely boneheaded with the 'use the restore CD' response to trying to get new drivers after I reinstalled Windows. I eventually gave up and got around them by downloading all the drivers and software for the 1215US (same hardware, retail version) under Windows. -- Michael Vieths Email: Foeclan@Winternet.com Web: http://www.geekbear.net Marc Ohmann wrote: > I just purchased a vaio for that exact purpose. Its not an Athlon but > it is an 800 Duron and I am pretty impressed with the speed. The > reinstal disk will reinstal windows and all the sony apps on the shred > drive. Linux with 802.11b and apm installed without a hitch -- except I > can't run a Duron optimized kernel yet. > > Marc > From mohmann at qwest.net Tue Sep 4 18:53:38 2001 From: mohmann at qwest.net (Marc Ohmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kernel 2.4 and Duron References: <20010822014715.6df00d40.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3B956982.1040804@qwest.net> Could you either post that .config file or send it to me. I have been trying to get my Duron 800 working. Right now it only works with a celeron kernel. I'm using 2.4.9 but I would still like to see yours. Thanks, Marc Bill Layer wrote: >On Tue, 21 Aug 2001 13:53:41 -0500 (CDT) >andy@theasis.com wrote: > >>Anyone else had similar experiences, or have any insights about this? >>Could it, e.g., be the gcc version? Just for fun I tried compiliing with >>egcs, but had same result. >> > >Hm, 2.4.6 runs fine on my Duron 850, as did 2.4.0-2.4.5. If you want, I'll >send you a copy of my /usr/src/linux/.config > > > > -.bill.layer.- > >-.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From jay at slushpupie.com Tue Sep 4 19:48:23 2001 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I love you Message-ID: <20010905004838.DCCW13169.femail44.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> I just wanted to say I love you! I hope you are having a good evening, and I hope you are readdy for class tomorrow. This semester should be a good one, even though our schedules suck. If it ever gets rough, just remember I am here for you. Always. Forever yours, Jay -- Jay Kline jay@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- Your business will assume vast proportions. From jay at slushpupie.com Tue Sep 4 19:50:34 2001 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I love you In-Reply-To: <20010905004838.DCCW13169.femail44.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> References: <20010905004838.DCCW13169.femail44.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Message-ID: <20010905005049.FIKG23054.femail43.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> oops... sorry. That wasnt ment to go here. Since this came out... may as well say to everyone that I just got engaged! On Tuesday 04 September 2001 07:48 pm, you wrote: > I just wanted to say I love you! I hope you are having a good evening, and > I hope you are readdy for class tomorrow. This semester should be a good > one, even though our schedules suck. If it ever gets rough, just remember > I am here for you. Always. > > > Forever yours, > > Jay -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- You will pioneer the first Martian colony. From foeclan at winternet.com Tue Sep 4 19:59:30 2001 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I love you References: <20010905004838.DCCW13169.femail44.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> <20010905005049.FIKG23054.femail43.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Message-ID: <3B9578F2.1000700@winternet.com> *sniff* Tease. ;) Congratulations. -- Michael Vieths Email: Foeclan@Winternet.com Web: http://www.geekbear.net Jay Kline wrote: > oops... sorry. That wasnt ment to go here. Since this came out... may > as well say to everyone that I just got engaged! > > On Tuesday 04 September 2001 07:48 pm, you wrote: > >>I just wanted to say I love you! I hope you are having a good evening, and >>I hope you are readdy for class tomorrow. This semester should be a good >>one, even though our schedules suck. If it ever gets rough, just remember >>I am here for you. Always. >> >> >>Forever yours, >> >>Jay >> > From shane at shell.schulte.org Tue Sep 4 20:04:17 2001 From: shane at shell.schulte.org (Shane Kinney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I love you In-Reply-To: <20010905004838.DCCW13169.femail44.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Message-ID: <20010904200348.M17266-100000@pinnacle.schulte.org> I love you too man. On Tue, 4 Sep 2001, Jay Kline wrote: > I just wanted to say I love you! I hope you are having a good evening, and I > hope you are readdy for class tomorrow. This semester should be a good one, > even though our schedules suck. If it ever gets rough, just remember I am > here for you. Always. > > > Forever yours, > > Jay > > > -- > Jay Kline > jay@slushpupie.com > http://www.slushpupie.com > -- > Your business will assume vast proportions. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From clay at fandre.com Tue Sep 4 20:06:58 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Univ of MN peopler In-Reply-To: <20010902013605.F624@ringworld.org> References: <20010830115047.V26388@ringworld.org> <3B91B7B7.6030207@qwest.net> <20010902013605.F624@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010904200656.A5124@fandre.com> Scott Dier [dieman+tclug@ringworld.org] wrote: > > Or, alternatevley, I talked with the current ACM president and I could > act as liaison for TCLUG to ACM. Basically entailing that I would let > him know about the room needs/what we are doing, and I would publicise > the event in the CSci building each month to say that ACM is sponsering > us and that we want people to come learn about linux. > > Currently, I perfer the latter and would like to go into that > arangement. I'll make up a flyer for next weekend and put them up on > Monday so new students will see them sometime next week, so perhaps we > will have a small influx of people. > Sounds like a plan to me. > Speaking of, Clay, did the room stuff get worked out or do you need me > to coordinate this with John for this one? Everything is all set. I will try to send out an official announcement tomorrow. -- Clay From ali at packetknife.com Tue Sep 4 20:11:25 2001 From: ali at packetknife.com (Ali-Reza Anghaie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I love you In-Reply-To: <20010904200348.M17266-100000@pinnacle.schulte.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Sep 2001, Shane Kinney wrote: > I love you too man. Where are the beers? ;-) -Ali -- GPG/PGP 53F7FF5F :: 6662 5087 119D 8D18 8501 8A8D C583 97B6 53F7 FF5F -- All the taxes paid over a lifetime by the average American are spent by the government in less than a second. -- Jim Fiebig From chrome at real-time.com Tue Sep 4 20:12:30 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rage 128 still not working In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 07:10:10AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010904201225.A27354@real-time.com> > I followed Florin and Carl's suggestions, but I'm still unable to get > anything working with ATI Xpert2000 card. I tried compiling a kernel with > framebuffer support and I don't see the cute little penguin along with the > rest of the kernel messages. I suppose it's possible that I have a bad > card. Any other ideas? you'll need to pass your kernel a video= or vga= option at boot time to enable the framebuffer. the Framebuffer-HOWTO has the table for what values=what resolutions. start with 640x480 (vga=301 or something like that... don't quote me). Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From destef at destef.com Tue Sep 4 21:41:15 2001 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Stuff sucks. Sigh. In-Reply-To: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A593F850@ipserver2.interplas tic.com> Message-ID: <200109050240.f852esg24653@ernie.destef.com> They just want you to use (or pay for) their web-hosting services to make more money. Its just an excuse blaming it on code red. lol. At 10:59 AM 9/4/01 -0500, you wrote: >I agree that AT&T and others are doing more than required, but blocking >port 80 altogether will probably free up a little bandwidth for >browsing, which will benefit all, even if it hurts those using a home >user ISP for webhosting. Even though that was expressly forbidden. > >Ryan >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Tue Sep 4 23:05:39 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] modules net-pf? Message-ID: <20010904230539.B7336@real-time.com> Anyone know where I can find all of net-pf options in modules? Looking through the source code, I grep'd for net-pf-10 and I cannot find it in the source, so, where can I find it? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Sep 5 00:56:53 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux, gphoto(?), Firewire (i.link), Sony DCR-PC100? Message-ID: <20010905005653.A20549@real-time.com> I got sick of the supper slow serial link between my Sony serial port adaptor (MSAC-SR1). With the 128Mb sticks coming down in price, dowloading 263+ pictures is a total drag. Usually takes around 45+ minutes. So, I both an i.link cable (firewire). To my disappointment, I could not figure out how (if?) gphoto works with firewire. Anyone got this to work? Anyone know if gphoto will work with firewire? If that all fails, I remember someone (Jay?) saying there is a pcmcia card that will take a memory stick and you can access it just like a hard disk. I did a quick look in the mailing list archives, but did not find it. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Sep 5 01:06:59 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Tux Bus Message-ID: <20010905010659.B20549@real-time.com> Was taking a tour of downtown Chicago and I saw this! It's my first mass advertisement for Linux I have seen. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20010905005653.A20549@real-time.com> Message-ID: http://www.aaaprice.com/sonymsacpc1.html -- GPG/PGP 53F7FF5F :: 6662 5087 119D 8D18 8501 8A8D C583 97B6 53F7 FF5F -- Why don't you fix your little problem... and light this candle? -- Alan Shepherd, the first man into space, Gemini program From ali at packetknife.com Wed Sep 5 01:16:28 2001 From: ali at packetknife.com (Ali-Reza Anghaie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Tux Bus In-Reply-To: <20010905010659.B20549@real-time.com> Message-ID: IBM got some fines for spray-painting that on sidewalks... nice. -Ali -- GPG/PGP 53F7FF5F :: 6662 5087 119D 8D18 8501 8A8D C583 97B6 53F7 FF5F -- Character is what you are in the dark! -- Lord John Whorfin From eng at pinenet.com Wed Sep 5 01:50:55 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CATV internet access Message-ID: <20010905.6505500@linwin.mshome.net> Frustration with ATT business practices will not be solved by customer complaints. Let's look at the network physics. (At least as I understand it) "Cable" TV is really cable access TV (CATV). Coax cable has a serious signal loss, limiting signal integrity to small areas. Thus, many separate local area networks are assembled and really just downloading a satellite signal to your host TV or computer. Each download site is, in effect, a hub (bridge). The CATV network is not much different from a large, fast ethernet network. The advancement for the consumer is that now coax enters your home (or office) instead of a phone line. The bandwidth linking you to the rest of the world has made a big jump. ATT held a monopoly on telephone lines, and that was ordered broken up. Now they want a monopoly on your coax line. Old habits die hard. There is no physical reason why other internet access providers can't share the coax. And there is ample legal precedent that they should. From seg at haxxed.com Wed Sep 5 02:06:11 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Stuff sucks. Sigh. References: <200109050240.f852esg24653@ernie.destef.com> Message-ID: <3B95CEE3.5090809@haxxed.com> Jason DeStefano wrote: > They just want you to use (or pay for) their web-hosting > services to make more money. Its just an excuse blaming it > on code red. lol. > So who wants to link me up with wireless, for the cost of splitting the DSL bill? ;P From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Sep 5 06:58:51 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] net-pf answer Message-ID: <20010905065851.A7800@llama.dolly-llama.org> Not sure where the appropriate place is to get this stuff, but I found it in my gentoo-linux /etc/rc.conf # Num Protocol # 1: Unix # 2: IPv4 # 3: Amateur Radio AX.25 # 4: IPX # 5: DDP / appletalk # 6: Amateur Radio NET/ROM # 9: X.25 # 10: IPv6 # 11: ROSE / Amateur Radio X.25 PLP # 19: Acorn Econet -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. What's the difference between root and God ? God doesn't think that he is root. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's rough right now, in fact I could really use a sandwich. OH! and some bugles. Just kidding. I bet you feel like a jackass! I needed a good chuckle man. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. What's the difference between root and God ? God doesn't think that he is root. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010905/c00b2197/attachment.pgp From jwanderson at uswest.net Wed Sep 5 07:05:28 2001 From: jwanderson at uswest.net (Jay W. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux, gphoto(?), Firewire (i.link), Sony DCR-PC100? In-Reply-To: <20010905005653.A20549@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200109051205.f85C5Uk09807@sprite.real-time.com> On 5 Sep 01, at 0:56, Bob Tanner wrote: > > If that all fails, I remember someone (Jay?) saying there is a pcmcia card that > will take a memory stick and you can access it just like a hard disk. I did a > quick look in the mailing list archives, but did not find it. That was me. The PCMCIA card that Sony offers for the sticks works great. The hard part is figuring out what device that it is attached to. I've had it show up as /dev/hd[e,f,g] (I think, or was it /dev/sd???) Let me know if you want to give it a try. Good luck Jay From jay at slushpupie.com Wed Sep 5 07:30:33 2001 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Tux Bus In-Reply-To: <20010905010659.B20549@real-time.com> References: <20010905010659.B20549@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010905123055.XKTI23054.femail43.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> I saw a bunch of those billboards in Rochester (MN) not too long ago either. I want it on a t-shirt! Jay On Wednesday 05 September 2001 01:06 am, you wrote: > Was taking a tour of downtown Chicago and I saw this! > > It's my first mass advertisement for Linux I have seen. -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- Tell the truth or trump--but get the trick. -- Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar" From veldy at veldy.net Wed Sep 5 07:58:57 2001 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I love you References: <20010905004838.DCCW13169.femail44.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> <20010905005049.FIKG23054.femail43.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Message-ID: <002201c1360a$87672020$3028680a@tgt.com> Yeah ... sure ... right :) Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Kline" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] I love you > oops... sorry. That wasnt ment to go here. Since this came out... may > as well say to everyone that I just got engaged! > > On Tuesday 04 September 2001 07:48 pm, you wrote: > > I just wanted to say I love you! I hope you are having a good evening, and > > I hope you are readdy for class tomorrow. This semester should be a good > > one, even though our schedules suck. If it ever gets rough, just remember > > I am here for you. Always. > > > > > > Forever yours, > > > > Jay > > -- > Jay Kline > list@slushpupie.com > http://www.slushpupie.com > -- > You will pioneer the first Martian colony. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Wed Sep 5 08:40:30 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CATV internet access In-Reply-To: <20010905.6505500@linwin.mshome.net> Message-ID: |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Rick Engebretson |Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 1:51 AM |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org |Subject: [TCLUG] CATV internet access |(At least as I understand it) "Cable" TV is really cable access TV |(CATV). Actually CATV stands for "Central Antenna TeleVision", at the time the FLA (four letter acronym) was coined (70's), there was competition from MATV (Master Antenna TV), which larger apartment complexes, universities, etc were using. Coax was used then because it was relatively cheap, weathered well and had decent signal to noise ratios. |Coax cable has a serious signal loss, limiting signal integrity |to small areas. Back when I worked in CATV (mid-late 70's) there were line amps put in the line periodically which would boost the signal. They ran at about +50db, versus the +1/-1db that you get at your local set. The problem wasn't so much line loss as the loss from splitters. Every splitter used to cause a 3-7 dB loss (that may have improved over the years, I haven't looked). This is why you had lots of lines coming off from one pole--you wanted to get the most lines for your signal loss. |Thus, many separate local area networks are assembled and |really just downloading a satellite signal to your host TV or computer. |Each download site is, in effect, a hub (bridge). The CATV network is not |much different from a large, fast Ethernet network. | |The advancement for the consumer is that now coax enters your home (or |office) instead of a phone line. The bandwidth linking you to the rest of |the world has made a big jump. Definitely |ATT held a monopoly on telephone lines, and that was ordered broken up. |Now they want a monopoly on your coax line. Old habits die hard. Usually they don't die, they just find another outlet, phones---->cable |There is no physical reason why other internet access providers can't |share the coax. And there is ample legal precedent that they should. Agreed. Suddenly AOL had no interest in a legal ruling opening cable up once they bought/merged with Time-Warner (RoadRunner, etc.) From jacque at fruitioninc.com Wed Sep 5 08:36:59 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Tux Bus In-Reply-To: <20010905123055.XKTI23054.femail43.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Message-ID: I noticed the side of a warehouse was painted too. I also saw 2 'el' trains with the same ad. ~j From fertch at mninter.net Wed Sep 5 08:53:23 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HP Bought Compaq.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01090508532301.00481@bleys> Read it on Slashdot this morning. Apparently I've been devoid of news contact for a couple of days. http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/09/04/0220234&mode=thread From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Sep 5 09:00:00 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] modules net-pf? In-Reply-To: <20010904230539.B7336@real-time.com> References: <20010904230539.B7336@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010905090000.6de546b7.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Bob Tanner wrote: > > Anyone know where I can find all of net-pf options in modules? > > Looking through the source code, I grep'd for net-pf-10 and I cannot > find it in the source, so, where can I find it? net-pf-10 is ipv6, I believe. You can either do an `alias net-pf-10 off' in /etc/modules.conf or `alias net-pf-10 ipv6' if you want it to work. I bet that ssh or sshd is causing those messages to pop up, as it attempts to use IPv6 first. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Veni Vidi Visa: I came, I / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ saw, I did a little \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) shopping. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I can get to other ftp sites ok (but apparently only non-Linux ones) and I can get to this server from home just fine. Any ideas on what I could look into? Maybe a conflict between the port that ftp is using and the firewall? Unfortunately our Net Admin has very little knowledge of firewalls and neither do I. Brady From jay at slushpupie.com Wed Sep 5 09:43:02 2001 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Problems with FTP to Linux In-Reply-To: <999700322.17647.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <01090508532301.00481@bleys> <999700322.17647.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20010905144326.XRDR4276.femail33.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> If you are using ProFTP- there are a few issues to look at. First, it trys to do an IDENT lookup on connections. It also will try to do a reverse DNS lookup, if there is no entry for the IP connecting, it may hang for a while. You can turn this off by adding these line to your proftpd.conf file: IdentLookups off UseReverseDNS off If you are trying to port forward through a firewall, you need to forward more than just port 21 if you want to use some ftp clients. The problem is port 21 is only the control port, and the file transfer and stuff happens on other negotiated ports, which are not the same for each session. ProFTPd allows you to specify which ports to try and use, and allows it to "masquerade" as a different IP address (just the advertising part of things) Add lines like this: MasqueradeAddress out.side.ip.address PassivePorts 60000 65535 Then forward (in addition to 21) ports 60000-65535 to the server, and all should be well. On Wednesday 05 September 2001 09:32 am, you wrote: > When I FTP to my Linux server (running proftpd) which is outside our > network it takes a long time to connect...some things happen at normal > speed but I keep getting these messages: > > 227 Entering Passive Mode (209,173,192,110,8,71). > > And it seems to hang for a few minutes before. Sometimes it takes so > long to connect it times out and disconnects me before it finishes > connecting. I can get to other ftp sites ok (but apparently only > non-Linux ones) and I can get to this server from home just fine. > > Any ideas on what I could look into? Maybe a conflict between the port > that ftp is using and the firewall? Unfortunately our Net Admin has > very little knowledge of firewalls and neither do I. > > Brady > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- Remark of Dr. Baldwin's concerning upstarts: We don't care to eat toadstools that think they are truffles. -- Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar" From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Wed Sep 5 09:58:55 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CATV internet access In-Reply-To: <20010905090249.128f018d.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: |"James Spinti" wrote: |> |> Rick Engebretson wrote: |> |> |(At least as I understand it) "Cable" TV is really cable access TV |> |(CATV). |> |> Actually CATV stands for "Central Antenna TeleVision", at |the time the | |I thought it was Community Antenna TV.. You're right--bad memory on my part. Maybe I should swap it out :) | |-- | _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ A brilliant man deserves |/ \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ a brilliant sitcom. |\_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) |[ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] | From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Sep 5 10:04:34 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Tux Bus In-Reply-To: <20010905010659.B20549@real-time.com> References: <20010905010659.B20549@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010905100433.B24306@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [010905 01:24]: > Was taking a tour of downtown Chicago and I saw this! Dude, http. 700k atachements should be verboten via mail lists. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From jacque at fruitioninc.com Wed Sep 5 13:00:11 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beermeeting 8/6 Message-ID: Hi folks- Beermeeting tomorrow at Barley Johns. 6pm - 8pm. All ages welcome. We'll be outside if its nice! http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting/ ~jacque From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Sep 5 14:09:15 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beermeeting 8/6 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey, Anyone who plans on showing up for their games, please let me know. -Yaron -- From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Sep 5 14:26:12 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beermeeting 8/6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010905142612.G24306@ringworld.org> * Yaron [010905 14:10]: > Anyone who plans on showing up for their games, please let me know. Are there any 'extras' around that need a home for $$? -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From jacque at fruitioninc.com Wed Sep 5 13:00:11 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beermeeting 8/6 Message-ID: Hi folks- Beermeeting tomorrow at Barley Johns. 6pm - 8pm. All ages welcome. We'll be outside if its nice! http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting/ ~jacque _______________________________________________ tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From stauffer_james at yahoo.com Wed Sep 5 07:12:42 2001 From: stauffer_james at yahoo.com (James A. N. Stauffer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Tux Bus In-Reply-To: <20010905010659.B20549@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010905121242.73879.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> I think there is a billboard like that in Rochester. --- Bob Tanner wrote: > Was taking a tour of downtown Chicago and I saw this! > > It's my first mass advertisement for Linux I have seen. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > ATTACHMENT part 2 image/jpeg ===== = o o o o o o o . . . __________________________ _____=======_||___ o _____ | James A. N. Stauffer | | Stauffer_James | .][__n_n_|DD[ ====____ | Spam food: uce@ftc.gov | | @yahoo.com | >(________|__|_[________]_|________________________|_|________________| _/oo OOOOO oo` ooo ooo 'o¬o¬o o¬o¬o` 'o¬o o¬o` __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com From ray at lctn.k12.mn.us Wed Sep 5 21:10:19 2001 From: ray at lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] is this working again Message-ID: <004201c13679$1412be80$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> I was subscribed but it stopped for no reason. Is it working again? Raymond Norton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010905/8258ecc2/attachment.htm From clay at fandre.com Wed Sep 5 21:23:24 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG monthly meeting this Saturday Message-ID: <20010905212323.B20746@fandre.com> What: Twin Cities Linux Users Group Monthly Meeting When: Saturday September 8st, 2001 noon - 2pm Topic: Kylix Demo by Logicworks Inc. Borland Kylix, the first native-code rapid application development (RAD) environment for the Linux platform, is a component-based development environment for two-way visual development of graphical user interface (GUI), Internet, database and web server applications. Kylix integrates a leading edge development environment, interactive debugger, intuitive visual designer and a comprehensive component palette to give developers the tools they need to deliver Linux applications fast. Kylix's state of the art optimizing compiler is seamlessly integrated to produce high-performance applications at high-speed. For more information about Kylix, visit www.borland.com/kylix For more information on Logicworks, go here: http://www.logicworksinc.com/ Where: University of Minnesota EE/CS ROOM 3-180 http://onestop.umn.edu/Maps/EECSci/index.html It's on the ground floor of the EE-CS building on the east bank campus. Hope to see you there! From clay at fandre.com Wed Sep 5 21:23:24 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG monthly meeting this Saturday Message-ID: <20010905212323.B20746@fandre.com> What: Twin Cities Linux Users Group Monthly Meeting When: Saturday September 8st, 2001 noon - 2pm Topic: Kylix Demo by Logicworks Inc. Borland Kylix, the first native-code rapid application development (RAD) environment for the Linux platform, is a component-based development environment for two-way visual development of graphical user interface (GUI), Internet, database and web server applications. Kylix integrates a leading edge development environment, interactive debugger, intuitive visual designer and a comprehensive component palette to give developers the tools they need to deliver Linux applications fast. Kylix's state of the art optimizing compiler is seamlessly integrated to produce high-performance applications at high-speed. For more information about Kylix, visit www.borland.com/kylix For more information on Logicworks, go here: http://www.logicworksinc.com/ Where: University of Minnesota EE/CS ROOM 3-180 http://onestop.umn.edu/Maps/EECSci/index.html It's on the ground floor of the EE-CS building on the east bank campus. Hope to see you there! _______________________________________________ tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From adam at teamstrange.com Wed Sep 5 21:29:37 2001 From: adam at teamstrange.com (Adam Wolkoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] learning linux-ideas? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm a linux newbie. I want to learn more. I spent some time at the bookstore looking at linux books. They were all of the "how to use KDE" variety. I might be dumb but I'm not stupid! I don't need some book telling me how a GUI works. I'm looking for info on a class, book, person etc that can teach me how linux really works--the much ballyhooed command line. Any ideas? Thanks! Regards, TeamStrange Airheads, Inc. By: Adam S. Wolkoff Vice President, Special Projects adam@teamstrange.com http://www.teamstrange.com From thomas at stderr.net Wed Sep 5 21:53:14 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] learning linux-ideas? In-Reply-To: ; from adam@teamstrange.com on Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 09:29:37PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010906045313.J51239@io.stderr.net> On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 09:29:37PM -0500, Adam Wolkoff wrote: > I'm a linux newbie. I want to learn more. I spent some time at the > bookstore looking at linux books. They were all of the "how to use KDE" > variety. I might be dumb but I'm not stupid! I don't need some book > telling me how a GUI works. > > I'm looking for info on a class, book, person etc that can teach me how > linux really works--the much ballyhooed command line. I would say the best way to learn is simply to use it. If you encounter problems, then either ask here or on the irc channel. What I considered the big hurdle for me was getting to learn an editor after that it just came along the way. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From dieman at ringworld.org Wed Sep 5 22:22:23 2001 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian mirror info Message-ID: <20010905222222.L24306@ringworld.org> For those who dont know, http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/debian/ is a full debian mirror with a little more bandwidth than gladiator has with good connectivity to cable modem users and qwest.net users. (local peerings with umn.edu from both of them) People are welcome to try it out and please let me know your experience with using this mirror... (its got all platforms, http/ftp access, stable/testing/unstable dists) Thanks. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From thomas at stderr.net Wed Sep 5 22:34:43 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian mirror info In-Reply-To: <20010905222222.L24306@ringworld.org>; from dieman@ringworld.org on Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 10:22:23PM -0500 References: <20010905222222.L24306@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010906053443.L51239@io.stderr.net> On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 10:22:23PM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: > For those who dont know, http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/debian/ is a full debian > mirror with a little more bandwidth than gladiator has with good > connectivity to cable modem users and qwest.net users. (local peerings > with umn.edu from both of them) People are welcome to try it out and > please let me know your experience with using this mirror... > > (its got all platforms, http/ftp access, stable/testing/unstable dists) Awww! and that only half an hour after I did my daily upgrade :-| -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From swalkup at isd.net Wed Sep 5 22:30:34 2001 From: swalkup at isd.net (Shennon Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless networks Message-ID: <01090522303400.00447@shennon> While browsing l came across this: http://www.sbwireless.net/SBWireless Files/resident.htm Looks like they have a few towers up around the citties. The equipement charges are a bit high, but if you can't get high speed any other way, this might be of interest to some of you folks in the boonies around the citties. The $49.00/mo charge seems in line after ya eat the equipment cost. Kelly KB0GBJ From mohmann at qwest.net Wed Sep 5 22:58:40 2001 From: mohmann at qwest.net (Marc Ohmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] learning linux-ideas? References: Message-ID: <3B96F470.70207@qwest.net> I would suggest an operating systems book or Advanced Linux Programming by Stevens. A good os book is the one by Tannenbaum (sp?) which arguably is the book that Linus originally got his ideas from. There is also a good O'Reilly book on Linux Kernel design. To truly understand what is going on in Linux I believe that you need a strong understanding of operating systems and c programming. Pipes, i/o redirects, signals, processes, daemons, terminal programming, shells, ipc, sockets... are the heart of Linux and are taught in a good os class or book. The rest of the command line is simply programs that implement these ideas. The most important thing is that it takes time and experience. I have been running linux since I installed slackware via floppies on my 386 about 5 years ago and I still learn all kinds of new stuff each day. You will never find one source for all you answers. Reading this mailing list is a good start. You can subscribe to a Linux magazine such as Linux Journal and read through the how-tos -- I find myself referencing linuxdoc.org all the time. The bookstore is also a great place to learn. I end up taking my daughter to b&n a couple times a month. We sit there for hours and read (or steal information :-) ). hope this helps, Marc Adam Wolkoff wrote: >I'm a linux newbie. I want to learn more. I spent some time at the >bookstore looking at linux books. They were all of the "how to use KDE" >variety. I might be dumb but I'm not stupid! I don't need some book >telling me how a GUI works. > >I'm looking for info on a class, book, person etc that can teach me how >linux really works--the much ballyhooed command line. > >Any ideas? > >Thanks! > >Regards, > >TeamStrange Airheads, Inc. >By: Adam S. Wolkoff >Vice President, Special Projects >adam@teamstrange.com >http://www.teamstrange.com > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From jacque at fruitioninc.com Wed Sep 5 23:16:51 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qwest fixes Code Red problem, won't give credits for down time Message-ID: uh, how is this for vague: http://www.startribune.com/stories/789/673900.html From tanner at real-time.com Thu Sep 6 00:41:29 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian mirror info In-Reply-To: <20010905222222.L24306@ringworld.org>; from dieman@ringworld.org on Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 10:22:23PM -0500 References: <20010905222222.L24306@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010906004129.G10782@real-time.com> Quoting Scott Dier (dieman@ringworld.org): > For those who dont know, http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/debian/ is a full debian > mirror with a little more bandwidth than gladiator has with good > connectivity to cable modem users and qwest.net users. (local peerings > with umn.edu from both of them) People are welcome to try it out and > please let me know your experience with using this mirror... > > (its got all platforms, http/ftp access, stable/testing/unstable dists) > > Thanks. > Is the 50K/s throttle to restrictive on gladiator? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Sep 6 00:44:51 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless networks In-Reply-To: <01090522303400.00447@shennon>; from swalkup@isd.net on Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 10:30:34PM -0500 References: <01090522303400.00447@shennon> Message-ID: <20010906004451.I10782@real-time.com> Quoting Shennon Black (swalkup@isd.net): > While browsing l came across this: > http://www.sbwireless.net/SBWireless Files/resident.htm > > Looks like they have a few towers up around the citties. > The equipement charges are a bit high, but if you can't get high speed > any other way, this might be of interest to some of you folks in the boonies > around the citties. > The $49.00/mo charge seems in line after ya eat the equipment cost. But they running IIS and asp! -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Sep 6 00:45:51 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Zealots Message-ID: <20010906004551.J10782@real-time.com> Come download and see how Microsoft promotes zealots within its ranks. http://www.mn-linux.org/members/tanner/ -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Sep 6 00:56:48 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian mirror info In-Reply-To: <20010906004129.G10782@real-time.com> References: <20010905222222.L24306@ringworld.org> <20010906004129.G10782@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010906005648.P24306@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [010906 00:44]: > Is the 50K/s throttle to restrictive on gladiator? For cable modem users it is, but its not the end of the world. I'm not abandoning gladiator, I'm letting people know ive got one setup too that can handle the bandwidth, and I'm getting it for free. I might as well get some of us from hogging up the bandwidth because your trying to make money ;) I dont fault you for ratelimiting if your a private enterprise, youve got paying customers that like... uh.. pay for bandwidth :) The ftp.cs thing has been something ive been working on for a few weeks to get 'faster' and its finally kind of become something 'stable' i think. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Sep 6 01:05:04 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG monthly meeting this Saturday In-Reply-To: <20010905212323.B20746@fandre.com> References: <20010905212323.B20746@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010906010504.Q24306@ringworld.org> * Clay Fandre [010905 21:29]: > What: > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Monthly Meeting I've got something made up at: http://www.ringworld.org/~dieman/sept01.ps Comments are welcome, but its too late this time for me to change the format, I think ive proofed it fine enough. that im going to post around parts of the building tommrow. I'll make ~15-20 copies and distribute them. Theres a reason for that ACM logo at the bottom too, they provide us with room, we advert that they did, in some sort of psuedo-political circular fashion people in the building see that ACM is doing good to bring Good Stuff(tm) to the building and nobody thinks twice about ever getting rid of them. Or at least thats how i take it. I'm not horribly worried that they will get mad by not putting ACM in the announces, but it couldn't hurt to mention it. (I agree, getting a room on campus isn't that hard, but its nice to pull acm into it if it helps both parties) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From phil at rephil.org Wed Sep 5 20:45:45 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (phil@rephil.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HP Bought Compaq.... In-Reply-To: <01090508532301.00481@bleys>; from fertch@mninter.net on Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 08:53:23AM -0500 References: <01090508532301.00481@bleys> Message-ID: <20010905204545.A14115@superior.rephil.org> On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 08:53:23AM -0500, Shawn Fertch wrote: Apparently there aren't too many other Alpha followers on the TCLUG list. It's been a rough summer for Compaq. -- I used to like HP, and I once even liked Compaq but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. > Read it on Slashdot this morning. Apparently I've been devoid of news > contact for a couple of days. > > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/09/04/0220234&mode=thread > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Thu Sep 6 03:19:45 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Zealots In-Reply-To: <20010906004551.J10782@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 12:45:51AM -0500 References: <20010906004551.J10782@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010906031945.C29986@real-time.com> Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com): > Come download and see how Microsoft promotes zealots within its ranks. > > http://www.mn-linux.org/members/tanner/ Oh, I forgot to mention. I didn't like billionaires sweated that much. Damn, you'd think he could afford a couple of dry shirts. Also, what are you doing on stage during a presentation that you sweat that much! -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From ray at lctn.k12.mn.us Thu Sep 6 05:29:44 2001 From: ray at lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux as router Message-ID: <003001c136be$d8d4dec0$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> Presently I use a wireless ISP who assigns my IP by the MAC of my nic. I have just started working with Linux Redhat 7.x and had to install Winroute on my PC so the Linux box could get Internet. The program is not running stable on my Win98 workstation, so I would like to reverse the roles, and put the nic in my Linux box, and have it work as a router with NAT capabilities so my Win98 workstation can get Internet through Linux, instead. Is there a program to run, or a way to configure Linux to do this? If so, I would need specifics. Thanks in advance Raymond -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010906/f66d31bf/attachment.html From rechpj at earthlink.net Thu Sep 6 06:13:02 2001 From: rechpj at earthlink.net (Paul Rech) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] learning linux-ideas? References: Message-ID: <3B975A3E.6BF53C3@earthlink.net> Here's where I get a huge percentage of my questions answered. http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search I've been using that site since 1994 to answer Linux questions. It's rare if I don't find it there. And learn the vi editor. You may not like it, you may like emacs or joe or pico or whatever, better. But vi is on every UNIX/Linux machine on the planet. There is a very good book on it that just came out by Steve Oualline. And if you use the Bash shell (recommended) or Ksh shell on other Unix versions, you most likely will be using the vi editing keystrokes to get around the command line. In bash you can set that to emacs mode, if and when you want to. Or just ask. As I used to tell my students at the technical college, there is no question too stupid to ask. There are some, however, that are too stupid to answer. Paul Adam Wolkoff wrote: > I'm a linux newbie. I want to learn more. I spent some time at the > bookstore looking at linux books. They were all of the "how to use KDE" > variety. I might be dumb but I'm not stupid! I don't need some book > telling me how a GUI works. > > I'm looking for info on a class, book, person etc that can teach me how > linux really works--the much ballyhooed command line. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks! > > Regards, > > TeamStrange Airheads, Inc. > By: Adam S. Wolkoff > Vice President, Special Projects > adam@teamstrange.com > http://www.teamstrange.com > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Thu Sep 6 11:36:37 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Latest Stephen Hawking news Message-ID: <20010906113636.A26394@trammell.dyndns.org> http://www.mchawking.com/ -- The Internet: may contain traces of nuts. From fertch at mninter.net Thu Sep 6 07:47:19 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HP Bought Compaq.... In-Reply-To: <20010905204545.A14115@superior.rephil.org> References: <01090508532301.00481@bleys> <20010905204545.A14115@superior.rephil.org> Message-ID: <01090607471901.00485@bleys> On Wednesday 05 September 2001 20:45, you wrote: > Apparently there aren't too many other Alpha followers on the TCLUG > list. It's been a rough summer for Compaq. Well, you'd think that those with the nice compaq laptops would be interested... ;) Reason why I'm interested in it is because I administer about 5 DEC/Compaq machines runnine anywhere from 4.0B to 5.1 Tru64. Talk about *nix in it's most backwards and messed up configuration. Shawn From markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net Thu Sep 6 07:39:07 2001 From: markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Zealots References: <20010906004551.J10782@real-time.com> <20010906031945.C29986@real-time.com> Message-ID: <002301c136d0$eed1aa20$1e02a8c0@zippy> Lets see you keep a straight face while convincing people to by Micro$oft stuff. Aparently, it takes a *lot* of effort. ;-) Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Tanner" To: Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 3:19 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Zealots > Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com): > > Come download and see how Microsoft promotes zealots within its ranks. > > > > http://www.mn-linux.org/members/tanner/ > > Oh, I forgot to mention. I didn't like billionaires sweated that much. > > Damn, you'd think he could afford a couple of dry shirts. Also, what are you > doing on stage during a presentation that you sweat that much! > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at techie.com Thu Sep 6 08:05:55 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Zealots In-Reply-To: <20010906031945.C29986@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 03:19:45AM -0500 References: <20010906004551.J10782@real-time.com> <20010906031945.C29986@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010906080555.C14183@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 03:19:45AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com): > > Come download and see how Microsoft promotes zealots within its ranks. > > > > http://www.mn-linux.org/members/tanner/ > > Damn, you'd think he could afford a couple of dry shirts. Also, what are you > doing on stage during a presentation that you sweat that much! He looks really silly, maybe if the video included some context previous to this clip, it would make more sense. It looks to me like he was trying to energize the crowd and he's sweating because it took a lot more effort than he expected. Nate From florin at iucha.net Thu Sep 6 08:22:46 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HP Bought Compaq.... In-Reply-To: <20010905204545.A14115@superior.rephil.org>; from phil@rephil.org on Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 08:45:45PM -0500 References: <01090508532301.00481@bleys> <20010905204545.A14115@superior.rephil.org> Message-ID: <20010906082246.B31878@beaver.iucha.org> On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 08:45:45PM -0500, phil@rephil.org wrote: > On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 08:53:23AM -0500, Shawn Fertch wrote: > > Apparently there aren't too many other Alpha followers on the TCLUG > list. It's been a rough summer for Compaq. Yes we are... but what we can do than sigh in silence...? florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From doug at northlandstudios.com Thu Sep 6 08:28:32 2001 From: doug at northlandstudios.com (Doug) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Zealots In-Reply-To: <20010906080555.C14183@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: Tonite at I think 9pm (you'll have to check for sure) on Techtv (for those with digital cable or a dish) they have an hour long I think show dedicated to talking to and about Ballmer. That video is hilarious, but you gotta give him credit just for looking that ridiculous on stage on purpose to get a rise out of his audience. (we're not naive enough to think that the most powerful ceo in the free world didn't think he'd look stupid are we???) -- Doug Henry, MCSE/MCP+I Senior Applications Developer/DBA Gage Impact Incentives doug_henry@gage.com (work) doug@northlandstudios.com (personal) -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Nate Straz Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 8:06 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Zealots On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 03:19:45AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com): > > Come download and see how Microsoft promotes zealots within its ranks. > > > > http://www.mn-linux.org/members/tanner/ > > Damn, you'd think he could afford a couple of dry shirts. Also, what are you > doing on stage during a presentation that you sweat that much! He looks really silly, maybe if the video included some context previous to this clip, it would make more sense. It looks to me like he was trying to energize the crowd and he's sweating because it took a lot more effort than he expected. Nate _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Thu Sep 6 08:31:01 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HP Bought Compaq.... In-Reply-To: <01090607471901.00485@bleys>; from fertch@mninter.net on Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 07:47:19AM -0500 References: <01090508532301.00481@bleys> <20010905204545.A14115@superior.rephil.org> <01090607471901.00485@bleys> Message-ID: <20010906083101.C31878@beaver.iucha.org> On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 07:47:19AM -0500, Shawn Fertch wrote: > On Wednesday 05 September 2001 20:45, you wrote: > > Apparently there aren't too many other Alpha followers on the TCLUG > > list. It's been a rough summer for Compaq. > > Well, you'd think that those with the nice compaq laptops would be > interested... ;) > > Reason why I'm interested in it is because I administer about 5 DEC/Compaq > machines runnine anywhere from 4.0B to 5.1 Tru64. Talk about *nix in it's > most backwards and messed up configuration. You haven't saw HP-UX. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Sep 6 09:06:00 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux as router In-Reply-To: <003001c136be$d8d4dec0$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> Message-ID: First, know your network card. Look up what drive it uses under Linux and what (if any) paramaters you need to give the module. Then determine if you're running a 2.2 or 2.4 series kernel. (uname -a is handy here if you don't know) If you're running 2.2, take a look at http://plonk.sourceforge.net/ for an easy to setup NAT/firewall script. Should get you going pretty quickly. For more reading, check linuxdoc.org howtos for nat/masquarade, firewalling, networking and advanced networking. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward On Thu, 6 Sep 2001, Raymond Norton wrote: > Presently I use a wireless ISP who assigns my IP by the MAC of my nic. I have just started working with Linux Redhat 7.x and had to install Winroute on my PC so the Linux box could get Internet. The program is not running stable on my Win98 workstation, so I would like to reverse the roles, and put the nic in my Linux box, and have it work as a router with NAT capabilities so my Win98 workstation can get Internet through Linux, instead. Is there a program to run, or a way to configure Linux to do this? If so, I would need specifics. > > > Thanks in advance > > > Raymond > From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Sep 6 09:07:20 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qwest fixes Code Red problem, won't give credits for down time In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > http://www.startribune.com/stories/789/673900.html I assume they mean CBOS, but it's so vague who knows. Umm... yeah.... so the instructions "log in and set web port 60000" was too complicated, and somehow telling Joe User to upgrade CBOS is SO much simpler? I love how Qwest is taking credit for it too. "Cisco and Qwest developed software.." yeah, uh huh, sure. After it was well known fact that a CBOS upgrade would fix the problem, Qwest issued a statement saying that they had no idea what was causing it. Now, thanks to Qwest, we know. We should be paying them, not asking for credits. -Brian From blayer at qwest.net Thu Sep 6 10:30:30 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] learning linux-ideas? In-Reply-To: <3B975A3E.6BF53C3@earthlink.net> References: <3B975A3E.6BF53C3@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20010906103030.66f6550d.blayer@qwest.net> On or about Thu, 06 Sep 2001 06:13:02 -0500 Paul Rech reportedly said... > As I used to tell my students at the technical college, there is no > question too stupid to ask. > There are some, however, that are too stupid to answer. A corollary to that statement: There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From blayer at qwest.net Thu Sep 6 10:41:42 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] learning linux-ideas? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010906104142.299cac73.blayer@qwest.net> Adam, On or about Wed, 5 Sep 2001 21:29:37 -0500 Adam Wolkoff reportedly said... > I'm looking for info on a class, book, person etc that can teach me how > linux really works--the much ballyhooed command line. Just a niggling little thought.. The 'command line' isn't really 'Linux' either - it's a shell. The command line can be BASH, TCSH, SH, KORN, CSH etc etc. Each one has it's own idiosyncratic ways of dealing with input and output, but each accepts most of the same commands. The commands themselves, aren't really 'Linux' either - they are programs that could be from the GNU project, ported from other *nix flavors, or installed from 3rd party sources. The 'Linux that is Linux', is really just the kernel. And other than re-compiling the kernel to change harware support or incorporate security, the Linux user never really needs to get too close to the kernel. A programmer might need to, however. There is a school of thought that says that there is more that is 'Linux' than just it's kernel.. but I haven't seen a standard definition, so I won't comment on it. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From aratike at hutchtel.net Thu Sep 6 10:53:53 2001 From: aratike at hutchtel.net (Andrew Ratike) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless networks References: <200109060550.f865oJk32743@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <000701c136ec$219e9fb0$0101a8c0@aratike> It's encouraging to see that this stuff is spreading. There's an ISP in the Hutchinson area (http://www.xtratyme.com/services.html) that rolled this close to two years ago, utilizing what looks to be the same equipment and their coverage area is increasing rapidly. The up-front equipment costs are what have put me off, but they are/were charging $29.95/mo for the same service which seems like a heck of a deal. Can anybody out there comment on their experiences with this type of wireless access? Andy > Message: 13 > From: Shennon Black > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 22:30:34 -0500 > Subject: [TCLUG] wireless networks > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > While browsing l came across this: > http://www.sbwireless.net/SBWireless Files/resident.htm > > Looks like they have a few towers up around the citties. > The equipement charges are a bit high, but if you can't get high speed > any other way, this might be of interest to some of you folks in the boonies > around the citties. > The $49.00/mo charge seems in line after ya eat the equipment cost. > > Kelly > KB0GBJ From nate at techie.com Thu Sep 6 10:58:58 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] learning linux-ideas? In-Reply-To: <3B975A3E.6BF53C3@earthlink.net>; from rechpj@earthlink.net on Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 06:13:02AM -0500 References: <3B975A3E.6BF53C3@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20010906105858.A17984@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 06:13:02AM -0500, Paul Rech wrote: > Here's where I get a huge percentage of my questions answered. > > http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search > > I've been using that site since 1994 to answer Linux questions. It's rare > if I don't find it there. While it's a great place to find answers, you definitely haven't been using it since _1994_. I don't even thing DejaNews had UseNet archives that long ago. Google started Google Groups just this year after it acquired Deja's UseNet archives. See: http://www.google.com/press/milestones.html Nate From aratike at hutchtel.net Thu Sep 6 10:59:56 2001 From: aratike at hutchtel.net (Andrew Ratike) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Zealots References: <200109061535.f86FZ3k14483@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <001101c136ec$fa34f180$0101a8c0@aratike> "...Also, what are you doing on stage during a presentation that you sweat that much!" Wrestling with your conscience maybe? ____ Andy > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 03:19:45 -0500 > From: Bob Tanner > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Zealots > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com): > > Come download and see how Microsoft promotes zealots within its ranks. > > > > http://www.mn-linux.org/members/tanner/ > > Oh, I forgot to mention. I didn't like billionaires sweated that much. > > Damn, you'd think he could afford a couple of dry shirts. Also, what are you > doing on stage during a presentation that you sweat that much! > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Sep 6 11:04:45 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless networks In-Reply-To: <000701c136ec$219e9fb0$0101a8c0@aratike> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Sep 2001, Andrew Ratike wrote: > It's encouraging to see that this stuff is spreading. There's an ISP in the > Hutchinson area (http://www.xtratyme.com/services.html) that rolled this > close to two years ago, utilizing what looks to be the same equipment and > their coverage area is increasing rapidly. The up-front equipment costs are > what have put me off, but they are/were charging $29.95/mo for the same > service which seems like a heck of a deal. Last I heard (I live near Hutchinson sometimes) Xtratyme was going to /dev/null in a hurry. Maybe they've managed to bring themselves back out of it. I have to wonder how these "wireless only" companies are really doing. Wireless is not for everybody, especially with the > $350 equipment price tag. Aside from businesses and power users wireless doesn't make sense. It's to expensive for Joe Average. I still want to know exaclty what happened to Ricochet, I have a hunch that the equipment costs nailed them. -Brian From thomas at stderr.net Thu Sep 6 11:18:44 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless networks In-Reply-To: <000701c136ec$219e9fb0$0101a8c0@aratike>; from aratike@hutchtel.net on Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 10:53:53AM -0500 References: <200109060550.f865oJk32743@sprite.real-time.com> <000701c136ec$219e9fb0$0101a8c0@aratike> Message-ID: <20010906181844.A77737@io.stderr.net> On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 10:53:53AM -0500, Andrew Ratike wrote: > It's encouraging to see that this stuff is spreading. There's an ISP in the > Hutchinson area (http://www.xtratyme.com/services.html) that rolled this > close to two years ago, utilizing what looks to be the same equipment and > their coverage area is increasing rapidly. The up-front equipment costs are > what have put me off, but they are/were charging $29.95/mo for the same > service which seems like a heck of a deal. > > Can anybody out there comment on their experiences with this type of > wireless access? I don't have any experience with any wireless ISP, but something that caught my attention is the place linking to an article[1] that states they have a total of 220 customers, which kinda got me thinking ... [1] http://www.mobilecomputing.com/showarchives.cgi?147:1 -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From mpaulsen at charter.net Thu Sep 6 11:20:54 2001 From: mpaulsen at charter.net (Mike Paulsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] learning linux-ideas? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010906105926.02ce9eb0@pop.charter.net> This may be what you're looking for: Think Unix Jon Lasser QUE published in 2000 From the Intro: "... I mean that you will learn to solve problems the way that UNIX was designed to do things, rather than just muddling through. You will learn the logical structure of the operating system -- its grammer, if you will." On the back page: "Unix is not a piece of software so much as a set of concepts, a way of looking at and solving problems. Think Unix teaches how to use Unix effectively for everyday tasks by teaching the design model." "...you will find the conceptual underpinnings and theories common to virtually all Unix systems, components, and software packages." The examples are based on Redhat 6.1 using BASH as the default shell, so don't let the title scare you away. -- Mike At 09:29 PM 9/5/01, Adam Wolkoff wrote: >I'm a linux newbie. I want to learn more. I spent some time at the >bookstore looking at linux books. They were all of the "how to use KDE" >variety. I might be dumb but I'm not stupid! I don't need some book >telling me how a GUI works. > >I'm looking for info on a class, book, person etc that can teach me how >linux really works--the much ballyhooed command line. > >Any ideas? > >Thanks! > >Regards, > >TeamStrange Airheads, Inc. >By: Adam S. Wolkoff >Vice President, Special Projects >adam@teamstrange.com >http://www.teamstrange.com > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cart0196 at tc.umn.edu Thu Sep 6 11:52:43 2001 From: cart0196 at tc.umn.edu (Brian Carter-Stiglitz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] modem, upgraded to RH 7.1 and kppp doesn't work anymore In-Reply-To: <20010904104608.A10666@beaver.iucha.org> References: <01090409160801.00488@bleys> <01083011321101.00829@bleys> <01083110520303.00485@bleys> <20010831114853.M4906@beaver.iucha.org> <01090409160801.00488@bleys> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010906115243.0080c100@cart0196.email.umn.edu> To be honest I havn't hacked on this one for very long, but I thought I would ask and see if I was missing anything obvious. I just upgraded from RH 6.2 to RH 7.1, I was running the newest stable KDE on 6.2 (so KDE should not have changed during the upgrade). I have setserial -irq 5 /dev/cua2 uart 16650 in my rc.local file to get the modem up. Before the upgrade kppp and all the rest worked fine. Now, minicom can see the modem, dial out and connect, but kppp says the modem doesn't respond-- any ideas? bc-s At 10:46 AM 9/4/01 -0500, you wrote: >On Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 09:16:08AM -0500, Shawn Fertch wrote: >> On Friday 31 August 2001 11:48, you wrote: >> > Use minicom and check >> > 1. if you get at working >> > 2. if you can manualy dial out >> > 3. if you can login to the ppp server >> >> I'm not familiar with minicom, I've always just used the pppsetup to test it. >> When I run ppp-on, I don't hear the modem click to turn on or off. I'm >> assuming that it's not detecting the modem still. > >man minicom > >> >> >> >Sounds like an old 8 bit card. ?Is it possible that the jumpers are set to >> >an IRQ that something else is using? ?Most of the older ISA modems had an >> >IRQ range up to 7, could it be set the same as your parallel port or sound >> >card? >> >> Parallel is IRQ of 7. Modem is 5. All of the external serial ports are >> disabled, and as far as I can tell there isn't anything with this IRQ besides >> the modem. In Windows, I can go into the control panel and look at the irq's >> assigned. What's the equivalent for Linux and how can it be done if possible? > >cat /proc/interrupts > >florin > >-- > >"If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." > >41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From jeffr at odeon.net Thu Sep 6 12:00:08 2001 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] modem, upgraded to RH 7.1 and kppp doesn't work anymore In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010906115243.0080c100@cart0196.email.umn.edu> Message-ID: Just a random thought, but did you SU to root to try minicom, and are you using kppp as your normal user? It could be a permissions problem. Jeff On Thu, 6 Sep 2001, Brian Carter-Stiglitz wrote: > To be honest I havn't hacked on this one for very long, but I thought I > would ask and see if I was missing anything obvious. I just upgraded from > RH 6.2 to RH 7.1, I was running the newest stable KDE on 6.2 (so KDE should > not have changed during the upgrade). I have setserial -irq 5 /dev/cua2 > uart 16650 in my rc.local file to get the modem up. Before the upgrade kppp > and all the rest worked fine. Now, minicom can see the modem, dial out and > connect, but kppp says the modem doesn't respond-- any ideas? > > bc-s [snip] From fertch at mninter.net Thu Sep 6 12:06:18 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] modem, upgraded to RH 7.1 and kppp doesn't work anymore In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010906115243.0080c100@cart0196.email.umn.edu> References: <01090409160801.00488@bleys> <3.0.6.32.20010906115243.0080c100@cart0196.email.umn.edu> Message-ID: <01090612061800.04636@bleys> On Thursday 06 September 2001 11:52, you wrote: > To be honest I havn't hacked on this one for very long, but I thought I > would ask and see if I was missing anything obvious. I just upgraded from > RH 6.2 to RH 7.1, I was running the newest stable KDE on 6.2 (so KDE should > not have changed during the upgrade). I have setserial -irq 5 /dev/cua2 > uart 16650 in my rc.local file to get the modem up. Before the upgrade kppp > and all the rest worked fine. Now, minicom can see the modem, dial out and > connect, but kppp says the modem doesn't respond-- any ideas? > > bc-s Well, I'm still fighting my ISA modem problem so I can't answer for certain. But in some of the documents I've been reading are saying that /dev/cuax is becoming/ has been outdated for some time. Wonder if kppp is having problems with that and you need to change it to /dev/ttSyx? Just a thought. Shawn From florin at iucha.net Thu Sep 6 13:04:58 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] modem, upgraded to RH 7.1 and kppp doesn't work anymore In-Reply-To: <01090612061800.04636@bleys>; from fertch@mninter.net on Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 12:06:18PM -0500 References: <01090409160801.00488@bleys> <3.0.6.32.20010906115243.0080c100@cart0196.email.umn.edu> <01090612061800.04636@bleys> Message-ID: <20010906130457.D31878@beaver.iucha.org> On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 12:06:18PM -0500, Shawn Fertch wrote: > On Thursday 06 September 2001 11:52, you wrote: > > To be honest I havn't hacked on this one for very long, but I thought I > > would ask and see if I was missing anything obvious. I just upgraded from > > RH 6.2 to RH 7.1, I was running the newest stable KDE on 6.2 (so KDE should > > not have changed during the upgrade). I have setserial -irq 5 /dev/cua2 > > uart 16650 in my rc.local file to get the modem up. Before the upgrade kppp > > and all the rest worked fine. Now, minicom can see the modem, dial out and > > connect, but kppp says the modem doesn't respond-- any ideas? > > > > bc-s > > > Well, I'm still fighting my ISA modem problem so I can't answer for certain. > But in some of the documents I've been reading are saying that /dev/cuax is > becoming/ has been outdated for some time. Wonder if kppp is having problems > with that and you need to change it to /dev/ttSyx? Just a thought. You are right. Use /dev/ttySxy. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From Phillip.J.Crump at WellsFargo.COM Thu Sep 6 13:26:24 2001 From: Phillip.J.Crump at WellsFargo.COM (Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Backup Message-ID: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E066D852E@msgmsp15.norwest.com> I'm looking for some software that I can use to perform unattended-scheduled backups my mandrake 8.0 box. Any suggestions? For now I just want to backup to my zip drive. - PJ From ali at packetknife.com Thu Sep 6 13:29:11 2001 From: ali at packetknife.com (Ali-Reza Anghaie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Backup In-Reply-To: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E066D852E@msgmsp15.norwest.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Sep 2001 Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM wrote: > I'm looking for some software that I can use to perform unattended-scheduled > backups my mandrake 8.0 box. tar | gzip .... dump ... dd .... Amanda... Cron is your friend. ;-) -Ali -- GPG/PGP 53F7FF5F :: 6662 5087 119D 8D18 8501 8A8D C583 97B6 53F7 FF5F -- Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest. -- Mark Twain From doug at northlandstudios.com Thu Sep 6 13:48:27 2001 From: doug at northlandstudios.com (Doug) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Backup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If you need a sample bash script that backs up a few directories and names the backup with the date in the name let know, I have one that works for me. -- Doug Henry, MCSE/MCP+I Senior Applications Developer/DBA Gage Impact Incentives doug_henry@gage.com (work) doug@northlandstudios.com (personal) -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Ali-Reza Anghaie Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 1:29 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Linux Backup On Thu, 6 Sep 2001 Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM wrote: > I'm looking for some software that I can use to perform unattended-scheduled > backups my mandrake 8.0 box. tar | gzip .... dump ... dd .... Amanda... Cron is your friend. ;-) -Ali -- GPG/PGP 53F7FF5F :: 6662 5087 119D 8D18 8501 8A8D C583 97B6 53F7 FF5F -- Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest. -- Mark Twain _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Charles_E_Zlamal at consecofinance.com Thu Sep 6 14:20:59 2001 From: Charles_E_Zlamal at consecofinance.com (Charles_E_Zlamal@consecofinance.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Backup Message-ID: Go to www.arkeia.com to obtain a free copy of there backup software (great package). I believe that it will support Zip drives. This product product provides a nice management interface, and is easy to configure. Additionally, you can backup multiple servers with this, when the time comes. Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM@mn-linux.org on 09/06/2001 01:26:24 PM Please respond to tclug-list@mn-linux.org Sent by: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org cc: Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Backup I'm looking for some software that I can use to perform unattended-scheduled backups my mandrake 8.0 box. Any suggestions? For now I just want to backup to my zip drive. - PJ _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at greentechnologist.org Thu Sep 6 14:50:56 2001 From: josh at greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] firewall friendly ftp? Message-ID: I've tried searching around for a bit and what I'm finding isn't relevant. I'm trying to make my ftp server make nice with my firewall. In reading the ftp spec, it says that on PASV, EPSV or LPSV the ftp server should start listening somewhere and then tell the client to come and get it. Do you know of anything that can say, make exernal calls so I can open the right port on the firewall on the fly? I figured I'd clean the open ports up independantly. This doesn't seem like a unique idea, I just haven't seen anyone talk about a solution. Ideas? Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free speech is simply staggering." - someone else From Phillip.J.Crump at WellsFargo.COM Thu Sep 6 14:59:08 2001 From: Phillip.J.Crump at WellsFargo.COM (Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Backup Message-ID: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E066D85AC@msgmsp15.norwest.com> No Zip Drive Support.. > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles_E_Zlamal@consecofinance.com > [SMTP:Charles_E_Zlamal@consecofinance.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 2:21 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Linux Backup > > > Go to www.arkeia.com to obtain a free copy of there backup software (great > package). I believe that it will support Zip drives. This product product > provides a nice management interface, and is easy to configure. > Additionally, you can backup multiple servers with this, when the time > comes. > > > > > > > > Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM@mn-linux.org on 09/06/2001 01:26:24 PM > > Please respond to tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Sent by: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > cc: > Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Backup > > > I'm looking for some software that I can use to perform > unattended-scheduled > backups my mandrake 8.0 box. Any suggestions? > For now I just want to backup to my zip drive. > > - PJ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu Sep 6 15:25:16 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Backup Message-ID: Phillip, How happy/clickey do you want this to be? How much data are you backing up? Do you want to overwrite old backups? If not, how many do you want to keep, or should they die at a certain age? These are just questions to get more of a flavor of what you are looking for, though we can assume you won't be backing up more than 100 or 250 MB (which one is it?) compressed because of your choice of medium... Good luck, Troy >>> Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM 09/06/01 02:59PM >>> No Zip Drive Support.. > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles_E_Zlamal@consecofinance.com > [SMTP:Charles_E_Zlamal@consecofinance.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 2:21 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Linux Backup > > > Go to www.arkeia.com to obtain a free copy of there backup software (great > package). I believe that it will support Zip drives. This product product > provides a nice management interface, and is easy to configure. > Additionally, you can backup multiple servers with this, when the time > comes. > > > > > > > > Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM@mn-linux.org on 09/06/2001 01:26:24 PM > > Please respond to tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Sent by: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > cc: > Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Backup > > > I'm looking for some software that I can use to perform > unattended-scheduled > backups my mandrake 8.0 box. Any suggestions? > For now I just want to backup to my zip drive. > > - PJ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Sep 6 15:30:15 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beermeeting 8/6 In-Reply-To: <20010905142612.G24306@ringworld.org> Message-ID: Hey, On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, Scott Dier wrote: > Are there any 'extras' around that need a home for $$? I'm afraid not. Phew, I was sure I had extra Tribes 2... almost oversold 'em... (; -Yaron -- From florin at iucha.net Thu Sep 6 15:44:12 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Backup In-Reply-To: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E066D852E@msgmsp15.norwest.com>; from Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM on Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 01:26:24PM -0500 References: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E066D852E@msgmsp15.norwest.com> Message-ID: <20010906154412.E31878@beaver.iucha.org> On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 01:26:24PM -0500, Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM wrote: > I'm looking for some software that I can use to perform unattended-scheduled > backups my mandrake 8.0 box. Any suggestions? > For now I just want to backup to my zip drive. Put a [xfs]dump in cron. I have switched / /home and /var from reiserfs to xfs because xfs has dump. I have a full backup every Sunday morning at 4 AM and an incremental backup every morning at 4 AM going to a directory. Every Sunday morning I burn the last week onto a CD. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Sep 6 15:44:56 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] firewall friendly ftp? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDE72@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> What type of firewall are you using? Linux box, PIX, Firewall-1, Netscreen.... ? > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua b. Jore [mailto:josh@greentechnologist.org] > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 2:51 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] firewall friendly ftp? > > > I've tried searching around for a bit and what I'm finding > isn't relevant. I'm trying to make my ftp server make nice > with my firewall. In reading the ftp spec, it says that on > PASV, EPSV or LPSV the ftp server should start listening > somewhere and then tell the client to come and get it. Do you > know of anything that can say, make exernal calls so I can > open the right port on the firewall on the fly? I figured I'd > clean the open ports up independantly. This doesn't seem like > a unique idea, I just haven't seen anyone talk about a solution. > > Ideas? > > Joshua Jore > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United > States and longing to return to once-Communist Russia so he > can regain his right to free speech is simply staggering." - > someone else > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Sep 6 16:07:33 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] journaling file systems Message-ID: I'm in the process of re-arranging my disk partitons and I want to start moving stuff to a journaling file system. I realize I'm starting a holy war here, but I'm pretty well sold on ReiserFS. Are there any real advantages to using a different FS (xfs, jfs, ext3, etc)? The only reason I'm moving to a journaling file system is because ext2 sucks. -Brian From nate at techie.com Thu Sep 6 16:12:14 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Backup In-Reply-To: <20010906154412.E31878@beaver.iucha.org>; from florin@iucha.net on Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 03:44:12PM -0500 References: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E066D852E@msgmsp15.norwest.com> <20010906154412.E31878@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010906161214.A29069@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 03:44:12PM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > I have a full backup every Sunday morning at 4 AM and an incremental backup > every morning at 4 AM going to a directory. Every Sunday morning I burn > the last week onto a CD. Backups would be a great topic for a monthly meeting. I've always wanted to get myself to do a regular backup, but I never get myself to. I'd like to see a few people show off their backup schemes (small office or home) and recovery disks. Nate From jack at jacku.com Thu Sep 6 16:08:35 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] learning linux-ideas? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01090616083500.03656@geezer> On Wednesday 05 September 2001 21:29, you wrote: > I'm a linux newbie. I want to learn more. I spent some time at the > bookstore looking at linux books. They were all of the "how to use KDE" > variety. I might be dumb but I'm not stupid! I don't need some book > telling me how a GUI works. > > I'm looking for info on a class, book, person etc that can teach me how > linux really works--the much ballyhooed command line. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks! > > Regards, > > TeamStrange Airheads, Inc. > By: Adam S. Wolkoff > Vice President, Special Projects > adam@teamstrange.com > http://www.teamstrange.com > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list The book I used to teach Linux at Duluth Business University was: A Practical Guide to Linux by Mark G Sobell, Addison Wesley It goes into a significant amount of detail on subjects from the file system to shell usage/scripting for bash, tcsh, and zsh. Its a little "old" at this point (c)1997 but its still a good basic book. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From jay at slushpupie.com Thu Sep 6 16:16:24 2001 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] journaling file systems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010906211628.CNKJ3082.femail41.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> The only advantage I see to ReiserFS is that it seems to be used more. Jay On Thursday 06 September 2001 04:07 pm, you wrote: > I'm in the process of re-arranging my disk partitons and I want to start > moving stuff to a journaling file system. I realize I'm starting a holy > war here, but I'm pretty well sold on ReiserFS. Are there any real > advantages to using a different FS (xfs, jfs, ext3, etc)? The only reason > I'm moving to a journaling file system is because ext2 sucks. > > -Brian > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- You will be the last person to buy a Chrysler. From josh at greentechnologist.org Thu Sep 6 16:16:58 2001 From: josh at greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] firewall friendly ftp? In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDE72@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: Well... it's ipf on the same box as the ftp server. I think I can patch my existing ftp server so it makes external calls to open the right port to the right IP but I figured it'd be easier to just use something that already does that. Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free speech is simply staggering." - someone else On Thu, 6 Sep 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > What type of firewall are you using? Linux box, PIX, Firewall-1, > Netscreen.... ? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joshua b. Jore [mailto:josh@greentechnologist.org] > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 2:51 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: [TCLUG] firewall friendly ftp? > > > > > > I've tried searching around for a bit and what I'm finding > > isn't relevant. I'm trying to make my ftp server make nice > > with my firewall. In reading the ftp spec, it says that on > > PASV, EPSV or LPSV the ftp server should start listening > > somewhere and then tell the client to come and get it. Do you > > know of anything that can say, make exernal calls so I can > > open the right port on the firewall on the fly? I figured I'd > > clean the open ports up independantly. This doesn't seem like > > a unique idea, I just haven't seen anyone talk about a solution. > > > > Ideas? > > > > Joshua Jore > > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > > "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United > > States and longing to return to once-Communist Russia so he > > can regain his right to free speech is simply staggering." - > > someone else > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From thomas at stderr.net Thu Sep 6 16:21:00 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Backup In-Reply-To: <20010906161214.A29069@candle.mn.mediaone.net>; from nate@techie.com on Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 04:12:14PM -0500 References: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E066D852E@msgmsp15.norwest.com> <20010906154412.E31878@beaver.iucha.org> <20010906161214.A29069@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20010906232100.E77737@io.stderr.net> On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 04:12:14PM -0500, Nate Straz wrote: > On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 03:44:12PM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > > I have a full backup every Sunday morning at 4 AM and an incremental backup > > every morning at 4 AM going to a directory. Every Sunday morning I burn > > the last week onto a CD. > > Backups would be a great topic for a monthly meeting. I've always > wanted to get myself to do a regular backup, but I never get myself to. > I'd like to see a few people show off their backup schemes (small office > or home) and recovery disks. I second that! Should we make it the topic of next months meeting? -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From Phillip.J.Crump at WellsFargo.COM Thu Sep 6 16:36:51 2001 From: Phillip.J.Crump at WellsFargo.COM (Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Backup Message-ID: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E066D8613@msgmsp15.norwest.com> Currently I have about 10 MB (uncompressed) or so of data I need backed up.. I don't need it to be 'happy/clicky' just reliable, I was thinking of something that could pick up the files or directories that I specify, tar them up and then copy to the zip drive as 1 tar'd file until the drive is full.. > -----Original Message----- > From: Troy.A Johnson [SMTP:troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us] > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 3:25 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Linux Backup > > Phillip, > > How happy/clickey do you want this to be? > How much data are you backing up? > Do you want to overwrite old backups? > If not, how many do you want to keep, or should they > die at a certain age? > > These are just questions to get more of a flavor > of what you are looking for, though we can assume > you won't be backing up more than 100 or 250 MB > (which one is it?) compressed because of your > choice of medium... > > Good luck, > > Troy > > > >>> Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM 09/06/01 02:59PM >>> > No Zip Drive Support.. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Charles_E_Zlamal@consecofinance.com > > [SMTP:Charles_E_Zlamal@consecofinance.com] > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 2:21 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Linux Backup > > > > > > Go to www.arkeia.com to obtain a free copy of there backup software > (great > > package). I believe that it will support Zip drives. This product > product > > provides a nice management interface, and is easy to configure. > > Additionally, you can backup multiple servers with this, when the time > > comes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM@mn-linux.org on 09/06/2001 01:26:24 PM > > > > Please respond to tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > Sent by: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > > > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > cc: > > Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Backup > > > > > > I'm looking for some software that I can use to perform > > unattended-scheduled > > backups my mandrake 8.0 box. Any suggestions? > > For now I just want to backup to my zip drive. > > > > - PJ > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Sep 6 16:58:25 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] firewall friendly ftp? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDE73@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> So it's solaris or BSD? In any case, I just opened ports 20 and 21 on my firewall to my ftp server, and I can ftp into it just fine from the outside. You opened both of those ports right? > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua b. Jore [mailto:josh@greentechnologist.org] > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 4:17 PM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] firewall friendly ftp? > > > Well... it's ipf on the same box as the ftp server. I think I > can patch my existing ftp server so it makes external calls > to open the right port to the right IP but I figured it'd be > easier to just use something that already does that. > > Joshua Jore > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United > States and longing to return to once-Communist Russia so he > can regain his right to free speech is simply staggering." - > someone else > > On Thu, 6 Sep 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > What type of firewall are you using? Linux box, PIX, Firewall-1, > > Netscreen.... ? > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Joshua b. Jore [mailto:josh@greentechnologist.org] > > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 2:51 PM > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > Subject: [TCLUG] firewall friendly ftp? > > > > > > > > > I've tried searching around for a bit and what I'm finding isn't > > > relevant. I'm trying to make my ftp server make nice with my > > > firewall. In reading the ftp spec, it says that on PASV, EPSV or > > > LPSV the ftp server should start listening somewhere and > then tell > > > the client to come and get it. Do you know of anything > that can say, > > > make exernal calls so I can open the right port on the > firewall on > > > the fly? I figured I'd clean the open ports up > independantly. This > > > doesn't seem like a unique idea, I just haven't seen anyone talk > > > about a solution. > > > > > > Ideas? > > > > > > Joshua Jore > > > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > > > "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United > States and > > > longing to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his > > > right to free speech is simply staggering." - someone else > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Sep 6 17:02:04 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] journaling file systems In-Reply-To: <20010906211628.CNKJ3082.femail41.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> References: <20010906211628.CNKJ3082.femail41.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Message-ID: <20010906170204.7706a135.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Jay Kline wrote: > > The only advantage I see to ReiserFS is that it seems to be used more. ...and therefore debugged more. My brother ran into some big trouble using SGI's XFS-enabled version of RedHat, though I think he may not have had an up-to-date BIOS on his system. I ran into similar trouble with ReiserFS, but that's probably since I was overclocking. In both cases, files got mucked up in various ways. The more interesting instances were where one file suddenly turned into a different one halfway through. I don't think I know anyone who's tried it, but I'd almost suggest going for ext3. Last I heard, there's some level of backward/forward compatibility with ext2, so you might be able to test out ext3, and then go back to ext2 if you don't get much benefit. However, things may have changed.. I think the journal is just a special (possibly hidden) file on the filesystem. There are certain benefits to using ext3, such as some of the extra file attributes (immutable, append-only, etc.) that are currently only available on ext2/3. Then again, that might be the worst possible idea ;-) The other filesystems also use different methods for laying out the actual data. ReiserFS is optimized for many, many, many small files. XFS is optimized for overall speed. ReiserFS can trounce anything when you're dealing with thousands of 30-byte files, but XFS is supposedly more well-rounded. ext2 is still the best choice if you need stability. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Can atheists get / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ insurance for acts of \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) God? [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Well in that case, I'd just call a script like the one below nightly from cron (see man crontab). #!/bin/sh -x zip_path='/path/to/zip/disk' date=`date +%Y%m%d` #name the backup file in the form 'backup_20010906.tar' and puts #it on the zip disk backup_file=$zip_path'/backup_'$date'.tar' #Put your list of files or directories into this file file_list_file='YOUR_FILE_HERE' tar cvf $backup_file --files-from $file_list_file -- Jim Crumley | Free Dmitry Sklyarov! crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | http://freesklyarov.org/ Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From sandeen at sgi.com Thu Sep 6 17:05:57 2001 From: sandeen at sgi.com (Eric Sandeen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] journaling file systems References: <20010906211628.CNKJ3082.femail41.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> <20010906170204.7706a135.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3B97F345.6786D915@sgi.com> Mike Hicks wrote: > My brother ran into some big trouble using SGI's XFS-enabled version of > RedHat Ack... he submitted a bug report, right? :) -Eric -- Eric Sandeen XFS for Linux http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs sandeen@sgi.com SGI, Inc. From florin at iucha.net Thu Sep 6 17:06:47 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] journaling file systems In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 04:07:33PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010906170647.F31878@beaver.iucha.org> On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 04:07:33PM -0500, Brian wrote: > I'm in the process of re-arranging my disk partitons and I want to start > moving stuff to a journaling file system. I realize I'm starting a holy > war here, but I'm pretty well sold on ReiserFS. Are there any real > advantages to using a different FS (xfs, jfs, ext3, etc)? The only reason > I'm moving to a journaling file system is because ext2 sucks. I am using: - xfs on the partitions I want to back up: / /home /var because xfs has dump and reiserfs doesn't - reiserfs on the other partitions: /usr /usr/local/ /var/cache - and ext2 on /boot I am using reiser for a year and a half and xfs for a couple of months. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From florin at iucha.net Thu Sep 6 17:08:10 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Backup In-Reply-To: <20010906232100.E77737@io.stderr.net>; from thomas@stderr.net on Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 11:21:00PM +0200 References: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E066D852E@msgmsp15.norwest.com> <20010906154412.E31878@beaver.iucha.org> <20010906161214.A29069@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <20010906232100.E77737@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20010906170810.G31878@beaver.iucha.org> On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 11:21:00PM +0200, Thomas Eibner wrote: > On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 04:12:14PM -0500, Nate Straz wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 03:44:12PM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > I have a full backup every Sunday morning at 4 AM and an incremental backup > > > every morning at 4 AM going to a directory. Every Sunday morning I burn > > > the last week onto a CD. > > > > Backups would be a great topic for a monthly meeting. I've always > > wanted to get myself to do a regular backup, but I never get myself to. > > I'd like to see a few people show off their backup schemes (small office > > or home) and recovery disks. > > I second that! Should we make it the topic of next months meeting? I third that... :) florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Sep 6 17:10:59 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] journaling file systems In-Reply-To: <20010906170647.F31878@beaver.iucha.org> References: <20010906170647.F31878@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010906171059.X24306@ringworld.org> * Florin Iucha [010906 17:10]: > - xfs on the partitions I want to back up: / /home /var because xfs has > dump and reiserfs doesn't I've actually had my boss ask about XFS/linux because of the fact that xfsdump would exist. ;) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Sep 6 17:12:38 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beermeeting 8/6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010906171238.Y24306@ringworld.org> * Jacqueline Urick [010905 13:10]: > Beermeeting tomorrow at Barley Johns. 6pm - 8pm. All ages welcome. We'll be > outside if its nice! At least two of us from the UMN cabal will be there tonight :) I'll also bring a copy of my printed-announcement so people can comment on it if they think the format is good/bad/etc. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu Sep 6 17:19:19 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Backup Message-ID: Phil, I use a perl script to that sort of thing, but I choose directories and what kind of file extensions I want. It is a thrown together sort of thing on Win98, but it could probably be easily modified to do what you like. It has a companion ftp-it-to-my-sun script, but you'll have to let me know if you're interested _after_ looking at the crap I'm attaching now... Good luck, Troy >>> Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM 09/06/01 04:36PM >>> Currently I have about 10 MB (uncompressed) or so of data I need backed up.. I don't need it to be 'happy/clicky' just reliable, I was thinking of something that could pick up the files or directories that I specify, tar them up and then copy to the zip drive as 1 tar'd file until the drive is full.. > -----Original Message----- > From: Troy.A Johnson [SMTP:troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us] > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 3:25 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Linux Backup > > Phillip, > > How happy/clickey do you want this to be? > How much data are you backing up? > Do you want to overwrite old backups? > If not, how many do you want to keep, or should they > die at a certain age? > > These are just questions to get more of a flavor > of what you are looking for, though we can assume > you won't be backing up more than 100 or 250 MB > (which one is it?) compressed because of your > choice of medium... > > Good luck, > > Troy > > > >>> Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM 09/06/01 02:59PM >>> > No Zip Drive Support.. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Charles_E_Zlamal@consecofinance.com > > [SMTP:Charles_E_Zlamal@consecofinance.com] > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 2:21 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Linux Backup > > > > > > Go to www.arkeia.com to obtain a free copy of there backup software > (great > > package). I believe that it will support Zip drives. This product > product > > provides a nice management interface, and is easy to configure. > > Additionally, you can backup multiple servers with this, when the time > > comes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM@mn-linux.org on 09/06/2001 01:26:24 PM > > > > Please respond to tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > Sent by: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > > > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > cc: > > Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Backup > > > > > > I'm looking for some software that I can use to perform > > unattended-scheduled > > backups my mandrake 8.0 box. Any suggestions? > > For now I just want to backup to my zip drive. > > > > - PJ > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- #!c:\perl\bin\perl.exe use Archive::Tar; my @date = localtime(); my $year = $date[5] + 1900; my $month = $date[4] + 1; my $day = $date[3]; if ($month < 10) { $month = "0" . $month; } if ($day < 10) { $day = "0" . $day; } my $datecode = $year . $month . $day; my $directory = "backup"; if ( not -d $directory ) { mkdir $directory or die "cannot make $directory: $!\n"; } my $extension = ".tgz"; my $filename = $directory . "/" . $datecode . $extension; if ( -f $filename ) { for ( $i = 0; $i < 100; $i++ ) { $filename = $directory . "/" . $datecode . "-" . $i . $extension; last if ( not -f $filename); } } print "$filename\n"; @archdirs = qw(. test test/crypt test/doc test/file test/func test/irr test/miscdata test/net test/perldata test/tk test/win32 test/objects install doc sun); @allfiles = (); foreach $adir (@archdirs) { opendir(DIR, "$adir"); @files = readdir(DIR); closedir(DIR); if ($adir !~ /^[.]+$/) { foreach $file (@files) { $file = "$adir/" . $file; } } @allfiles = (@allfiles, @files); } @filelist = grep(/^.+\.(pl|pm|cfg|mdb|html|txt|sto|bat|pif|exe)$/i, @allfiles); $compressed = 1; $tarfile = Archive::Tar->new(); $tarfile->add_files(@filelist); $tarfile->write($filename, $compressed); print "Backup complete.\n"; From natecars at real-time.com Thu Sep 6 17:21:31 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] journaling file systems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Sep 2001, Brian wrote: > I'm in the process of re-arranging my disk partitons and I want to start > moving stuff to a journaling file system. I realize I'm starting a holy > war here, but I'm pretty well sold on ReiserFS. Are there any real > advantages to using a different FS (xfs, jfs, ext3, etc)? The only reason > I'm moving to a journaling file system is because ext2 sucks. One advantage of ext3 is that it's fully backwards compatible. I just converted my laptop to ext3 on 2.4.9, booted into a 2.2.18 kernel, and everyhing still worked fine. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Sep 6 17:22:38 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] journaling file systems In-Reply-To: <20010906170647.F31878@beaver.iucha.org> References: <20010906170647.F31878@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010906172238.Z24306@ringworld.org> Whowa, I got this message twice. Is sprite double-sending messages in its queue? * Florin Iucha [010906 17:14]: > On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 04:07:33PM -0500, Brian wrote: > > I'm in the process of re-arranging my disk partitons and I want to start > > moving stuff to a journaling file system. I realize I'm starting a holy > > war here, but I'm pretty well sold on ReiserFS. Are there any real > > advantages to using a different FS (xfs, jfs, ext3, etc)? The only reason > > I'm moving to a journaling file system is because ext2 sucks. > > I am using: > - xfs on the partitions I want to back up: / /home /var because xfs has > dump and reiserfs doesn't > - reiserfs on the other partitions: /usr /usr/local/ /var/cache > - and ext2 on /boot > > I am using reiser for a year and a half and xfs for a couple of months. > > florin > > -- > > "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." > > 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From blarson at crary.com Thu Sep 6 17:15:23 2001 From: blarson at crary.com (Bradley D. Larson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Linux Backup References: <200109062118.f86LIEk24919@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <3B97F57A.B19FB5A6@crary.com> I've written a simple python program that backups approx 60GB from several different servers by basically doing the following: 1. Keeps a full AND incremental every night. a. The "current" version of that file and, b. the last X versions of that file are kept every night. original format: "file.dat" extra versions: "file.dat.20010905123456.gz" date stamp is last modified date format yyyymmddhhmmss c. currently only the "archive" files are compressed. d. only needs to copy files that have been "touched" e. old versions past the X version (user defined) are deleted from the backup. f. backups are currently to removable drive(s). 2. Keeps the same directory structure as the original a. anyone that can use a file browser can retrieve their own files. > > > I'm looking for some software that I can use to perform unattended-scheduled > backups my mandrake 8.0 box. Any suggestions? > For now I just want to backup to my zip drive. > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: blarson.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 386 bytes Desc: Card for Bradley D. Larson Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010906/e98bf796/blarson.vcf From ali at packetknife.com Thu Sep 6 17:27:27 2001 From: ali at packetknife.com (Ali-Reza Anghaie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] journaling file systems In-Reply-To: <20010906170204.7706a135.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: I have spent a lot of time on Reiser, XFS, and more recently Ext3. JFS and I never got along under AIX so I didn't bother w/ the Linux port.. Unless you have specific needs for features in Reiser, XFS, or JFS I'd suggest you stick w/ Ext3. The reasoning is quite simple: - Its evolutionary and a good example of "KISS".. - Its the default filesystem for RH 7.2 (Roswell II beta at the moment). And RH has invested tons of QA resources and testing to make sure it is rock solid. - It maintains an easy path to switch back to Ext2 and the complete suite of tools is available and well known. With that said, I have found XFS to be the best of all worlds for ~me~. SGI has provided a pretty complete set of tools, 1.0.1 has been nothing but a pleasure for me and I've stressed it quite a bit. I've used XFS on desktops, servers (news, mail), and my laptop.. I've used it under IRIX for more years than I can remember, etc. I always ended up with one issue or another with Reiser. First it was mostly performance, then NFS, then lack of tools, etc. Reiser definatly has some nice ideas to bring to the table but its not nearly as mature or well-defined as XFS or JFS. I think what'll eventually pan out is Ext3/Reiser on the desktop and XFS/JFS in the datacenter. Until Reiser 4 at least when Hans says he'll take a lot of the lessons learned... I have to admit Reiser seems well aware of many areas of weakness and has publically stated he admires certain features of (namely) XFS... and I think SGI, if they still have the critical mass, will surely address XFS's weaknesses in that time period as well. My current hope is the XFS bloody-big-patch (its not that invasive, just lots of new code) is somehow wrangled into the 2.4 series... wishful thinking maybe. Take care, -Ali -- GPG/PGP 53F7FF5F :: 6662 5087 119D 8D18 8501 8A8D C583 97B6 53F7 FF5F -- If it's working, the diagnostics say it's fine. If it's not working, the diagnostics say it's fine. - A proposed addition to rules for realtime programming From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Sep 6 17:27:52 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] journaling file systems In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 04:07:33PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010906172752.B2371@llama.sistina.com> On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 04:07:33PM -0500, Brian wrote: >advantages to using a different FS (xfs, jfs, ext3, etc)? The only reason >I'm moving to a journaling file system is because ext2 sucks. > That's it? Just sucks? Is this your professional opinion? -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. What's the difference between root and God ? God doesn't think that he is root. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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God doesn't think that he is root. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010906/4f7c3b25/attachment.pgp From josh at greentechnologist.org Thu Sep 6 17:57:41 2001 From: josh at greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] firewall friendly ftp? In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDE73@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: Yes, it's BSD. I still hang out here because I figure that even if I run BSD at home, I'm still too fond of Linux (tho the zealotry is a bit much some times) to leave. And this problem should be OS-agnostic anyway. I'm not sure about the client but I'm pretty sure port 20 isn't used by the server. [1] I've never seen the server start listening here and the source doesn't indicate that it should. In general, if a server is accomodate active and passive clients then it must be able to accept connections on any of a set of ports. In my case it's restricted to 49152-49172. I'm just trying to go to the next step where the ports are closed by default and the server can kick off an external command to open a given port for an ip for limited time. It *seems* pretty simple and I just don't understand why I haven't run across it elsewhere. Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free speech is simply staggering." - someone else [1] The protocol specifies that control occurs on port 21 and that via PORT, LPRT, EPRT, PASV, LPSV, EPSV each machine may request a data connection. The PORT series is a message to the other machine telling it to connect to a given IP+port. This is also called 'active' mode. Conversely, PASV asks the other side to supply an IP+port which is then connected to. There isn't anything going on here that says that port 20 is what will be passed in PORT or returned from PASV. On Thu, 6 Sep 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > So it's solaris or BSD? > > In any case, I just opened ports 20 and 21 on my firewall to my ftp server, > and I can ftp into it just fine from the outside. You opened both of those > ports right? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joshua b. Jore [mailto:josh@greentechnologist.org] > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 4:17 PM > > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] firewall friendly ftp? > > > > > > Well... it's ipf on the same box as the ftp server. I think I > > can patch my existing ftp server so it makes external calls > > to open the right port to the right IP but I figured it'd be > > easier to just use something that already does that. > > > > Joshua Jore > > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > > "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United > > States and longing to return to once-Communist Russia so he > > can regain his right to free speech is simply staggering." - > > someone else > > > > On Thu, 6 Sep 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > > > What type of firewall are you using? Linux box, PIX, Firewall-1, > > > Netscreen.... ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Joshua b. Jore [mailto:josh@greentechnologist.org] > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 2:51 PM > > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > Subject: [TCLUG] firewall friendly ftp? > > > > > > > > > > > > I've tried searching around for a bit and what I'm finding isn't > > > > relevant. I'm trying to make my ftp server make nice with my > > > > firewall. In reading the ftp spec, it says that on PASV, EPSV or > > > > LPSV the ftp server should start listening somewhere and > > then tell > > > > the client to come and get it. Do you know of anything > > that can say, > > > > make exernal calls so I can open the right port on the > > firewall on > > > > the fly? I figured I'd clean the open ports up > > independantly. This > > > > doesn't seem like a unique idea, I just haven't seen anyone talk > > > > about a solution. > > > > > > > > Ideas? > > > > > > > > Joshua Jore > > > > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > > > > "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United > > States and > > > > longing to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his > > > > right to free speech is simply staggering." - someone else > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jts at tc.umn.edu Thu Sep 6 18:06:18 2001 From: jts at tc.umn.edu (Joel T Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] journaling file systems In-Reply-To: <200109062223.f86MNVS28587@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: Journaling file systems have been a recurring topic of discussion on Slashdot ... File System Round-Up Interview http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/08/29/1241237 Why RedHat Chose ext3 For 7.2 http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/08/22/1424238 Linux 2.4.5 Tested With Six Filesystems http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/07/17/1832209 At this time, ReiserFS may be the easiest to get up and running, simply because out-of-the-box ReiserFS support has been built-in to released versions of major distros such as SuSE and Mandrake for some time now: http://www.suse.com/ http://www.linux-mandrake.com/ The SGI XFS for RedHat Linux 7.1 Installer makes it easy to set up a RedHat machine using XFS; I personally used the 1.0.0 release and had no noticeable XFS related problems: http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/101_release.html The RedHat 7.2 "Roswell" beta supposedly contains out-of-the-box support for ext3 and other journaling file systems: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/08/05/1439205 Joel From foeclan at winternet.com Thu Sep 6 19:44:41 2001 From: foeclan at winternet.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] For those curious about LinDVD's status... Message-ID: <3B981879.1040300@winternet.com> Having a laptop that can do DVDs now, I started searching for updates on LinDVD, which was originally demoed over a year ago. Here's the support take on it (names removed to protect the innocent). What I find interesting is the mention of Dell and Gateway... Dell said they weren't offering Linux support on the desktop/laptop market anymore, and I haven't heard a peep from Gateway on the issue, one way or the other. -- Michael Vieths Email: Foeclan@Winternet.com Web: http://www.geekbear.net -------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: LinDVD Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 16:37:06 -0700 Michael, I just know few of the OEMs. You can try Dell or Gateway. We will release LinDVD however we don't know when because we are still testing this software. Regards, Technical Support InterVideo, Inc. -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: LinDVD I was more thinking in the 'commercially available' arena. I already have a computer, I'd just like to buy a Linux DVD player for it. Do you have a list of OEMs that it's been released to? Is it ever going to be released commercially? An OEM copy of it isn't of particular use to me when I already own a DVD drive. > Michael, > > LinDVD has been released to certain OEMs in the market. If you are > interested in obtaining a version of LinDVD, you will need to contact your > favorite OEMs and see if a version of LinDVD is currently available. > > > Regards, > > Technical Support > InterVideo, Inc. > From rechpj at earthlink.net Thu Sep 6 20:05:13 2001 From: rechpj at earthlink.net (Paul Rech) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] learning linux-ideas? References: <3B975A3E.6BF53C3@earthlink.net> <20010906105858.A17984@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <3B981D49.23ACE83B@earthlink.net> Nate Straz wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 06:13:02AM -0500, Paul Rech wrote: > > Here's where I get a huge percentage of my questions answered. > > > > http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search > > > > I've been using that site since 1994 to answer Linux questions. It's rare > > if I don't find it there. > > While it's a great place to find answers, you definitely haven't been > using it since _1994_. I don't even thing DejaNews had UseNet archives > that long ago. It was dejanews back then. I don't have proof of 1994, but I just grep'ed some archives and I have 1996 in one file from dejanews. Would you accept 1995? Paul From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Sep 6 20:26:06 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] For those curious about LinDVD's status... In-Reply-To: <3B981879.1040300@winternet.com> References: <3B981879.1040300@winternet.com> Message-ID: <20010906202606.1fcfe136.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Michael Vieths wrote: > > Having a laptop that can do DVDs now, I started searching for updates on > LinDVD, which was originally demoed over a year ago. Here's the support > take on it (names removed to protect the innocent). What I find > interesting is the mention of Dell and Gateway... Dell said they weren't > offering Linux support on the desktop/laptop market anymore, and I > haven't heard a peep from Gateway on the issue, one way or the other. I believe IBM is selling laptops with LinDVD installed, but that's my flaky memory talking. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ The Matrix has you. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Any help is appreciated Matthew LaBerge From doug at northlandstudios.com Thu Sep 6 21:58:34 2001 From: doug at northlandstudios.com (Doug) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Java Plugin In-Reply-To: <3B982592.1010204@mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: http://home.netscape.com/plugins/jvm.html I'm installing it right now, not sure if it will work or not (it didn't once before), and I'm on moz 0.9.1 -- Doug Henry, MCSE/MCP+I Senior Applications Developer/DBA Gage Impact Incentives doug_henry@gage.com (work) doug@northlandstudios.com (personal) -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Matthew LaBerge Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 8:41 PM To: TCLUG Subject: [TCLUG] Java Plugin Hey all, This is probably a dumb question and probably an easy one to answer. I'm using Mozilla 0.9.3 on Mandrake 8.0 and can't figure out where to get a java plugin. The website I'm trying to view java stuff on is http://www.hpiracing.com I don't know a thing about java and if there are different versions or whatever. Any help is appreciated Matthew LaBerge _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net Thu Sep 6 22:12:03 2001 From: markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] learning linux-ideas? References: <01090616083500.03656@geezer> Message-ID: <008601c1374a$e186cce0$1e02a8c0@zippy> I enjoyed the "Linux Unleashed" book from sams. It will walk you through the command line stuff. There are bunches of in-depth books on everthing in the book but it's a nice wirlwind tour of the entire Linux system. The version I have (second edition) is a bit dated but the new releases I have glanced through at the book stores seem up-to-date. Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Ungerleider" To: Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] learning linux-ideas? > On Wednesday 05 September 2001 21:29, you wrote: > > I'm a linux newbie. I want to learn more. I spent some time at the > > bookstore looking at linux books. They were all of the "how to use KDE" > > variety. I might be dumb but I'm not stupid! I don't need some book > > telling me how a GUI works. > > > > I'm looking for info on a class, book, person etc that can teach me how > > linux really works--the much ballyhooed command line. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Regards, > > > > TeamStrange Airheads, Inc. > > By: Adam S. Wolkoff > > Vice President, Special Projects > > adam@teamstrange.com > > http://www.teamstrange.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > The book I used to teach Linux at Duluth Business University was: > > A Practical Guide to Linux > by Mark G Sobell, Addison Wesley > > It goes into a significant amount of detail on subjects from the file system > to shell usage/scripting for bash, tcsh, and zsh. Its a little "old" at this > point (c)1997 but its still a good basic book. > > -- > Jack Ungerleider > jack@jacku.com > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Thu Sep 6 22:40:16 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bye-bye Caldera Message-ID: <20010906224016.C22130@real-time.com> I remember when Ransom got up at Linux Expo last year and pitched what is now called Volution. Most of the geeks in the crowd where impressed. -BUT- when he dodged the question on license and price. I got the feeling he was just another parasite to the open source community. As volution matured, and pricing came out, the per-seat license made it cost prohibitive. Real Time looked for another solution. Getting a gold cd from them for a trial, I noticed all these lovely open source components as part of volution (openldap, openssl, etc). Of course, the sales-rep said we where paying for the non-GPL aspects and media. Love said you can't be a viable business doing all open source. Well, looks like you don't do much better when you are -not- an open source company. Should have kept it open source and at least you'd have the community support for you when times are hard. But all Love did was alienate the community (like me) and push people towards RedHat and Debian. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Sep 6 23:20:00 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Java Plugin In-Reply-To: References: <3B982592.1010204@mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20010906232000.A24306@ringworld.org> * Doug [010906 22:00]: > http://home.netscape.com/plugins/jvm.html > I'm installing it right now, not sure if it will work or not (it didn't once > before), and I'm on moz 0.9.1 > This is probably a dumb question and probably an easy one to answer. > I'm using Mozilla 0.9.3 on Mandrake 8.0 and can't figure out where to > get a java plugin. The website I'm trying to view java stuff on is Get the blackdown plugin from www.blackdown.org Install it, and then *link* the plugin to your mozilla dir. rtfm if that dont work :| ftp://ftp.tux.org/pub/java/JDK-1.3.1/i386/FCS/j2re-1.3.1-FCS-linux-i386.tar.bz2 -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From doug at northlandstudios.com Fri Sep 7 00:16:36 2001 From: doug at northlandstudios.com (Doug) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bye-bye Caldera In-Reply-To: <20010906224016.C22130@real-time.com> Message-ID: And isn't Redhat starting to do the same thing (charging for products, like postgresql)? GreatBridge also officially died today, Suse is on life support, VA no longer sells hardware and is selling software, Loki is all but gone, don't know anything about Debian, and Mandrake I don't think is in a "healthy" state either, and probably a dozen or so other "open source" companies have died quick deaths in the last year(probably more). There is nothing wrong with the open source model, it's the open source business model that's flawed. The problem isn't that they are trying to sell software, it's that they are trying to sell something that can be obtained for free. "But they are selling support for the software", well so what? you can get that for free to (this forum is a small example). So if nobody buys the software or support, what can they sell? The only thing I can think of is proprietary software. Remember a business exists to make money, which in a way directly contradicts the open source model doesn't it? What they need to do is start creating some, and bundle the OS with it (In addition to giving the OS away)if the want to stay in business. There is so much opportunity for products in the linux world that do not exist it's astounding. But then I guess that also begs the question "Will open source advocates and users buy that software?". Suddenly makes me wonder how Oracle is selling on Linux, anyone know? I think another problem is that nobody is aggressively selling linux to large OEM's, on any level (am I wrong here?). Sure IBM is dumping $1 billion into it, but even IBM only has a small handful of machines they offer it on. Dell tried it and dropped it because of lack of interest(their lack of marketing sure didn't help though). And compare that to M$ spending $1 billion on marketing winXP alone. I have been using Redhat linux since 5.2, and have store bought every one. I'm using Ximian Gnome and the beta's of Evolution, and will buy that on CD when Evo goes gold. I have no problems buying software that I will use and get my money's worth for (and just to add, I haven't purchased an M$ product since DOS 6.22, excluding new hardware purchases). Since I don't contribute code to the open source community, I figure it's my way of supporting it(if I knew c++ I would be I'm sure). However I think I'm a minority in that. Everybody I seem to talk to just downloads it and burns it to cd. Don't get me wrong, this isn't a flame, or a bash on open source or linux in any way. I like linux and what it can do. It's the businesses that are drowning, and if they could at least bellow out the phrase "Web Services" in between gulps of water (has any distro company even mentioned the phrase?) it would be a start. Wouldn't it be something if IBM were to gobble up the 2 or 3 largest distro companies and combine all the best parts and continue to develop it and give it away, support it across all models, and allow other OEM's to freely install it on their systems for sale? Just IBM and HewlettCom-Paqard selling all models with it would nearly end the MS monopoly(or dent it real good). The irony of IBM doing that to M$ is to humorous to ignore too. But that's just my opinion...I could be wrong. Doug -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Bob Tanner Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 10:40 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Bye-bye Caldera I remember when Ransom got up at Linux Expo last year and pitched what is now called Volution. Most of the geeks in the crowd where impressed. -BUT- when he dodged the question on license and price. I got the feeling he was just another parasite to the open source community. As volution matured, and pricing came out, the per-seat license made it cost prohibitive. Real Time looked for another solution. Getting a gold cd from them for a trial, I noticed all these lovely open source components as part of volution (openldap, openssl, etc). Of course, the sales-rep said we where paying for the non-GPL aspects and media. Love said you can't be a viable business doing all open source. Well, looks like you don't do much better when you are -not- an open source company. Should have kept it open source and at least you'd have the community support for you when times are hard. But all Love did was alienate the community (like me) and push people towards RedHat and Debian. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From eng at pinenet.com Fri Sep 7 01:03:41 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:26 2005 Subject: Re [TCLUG] learning linux-ideas@7.sdm In-Reply-To: <3B96F470.70207@qwest.net> References: <3B96F470.70207@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010907.6034100@linwin.mshome.net> Another great bookstore is in Dinkytown, at the U of M. They have even more books in storage somewhere else. Their books go way back. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 9/5/01, 10:58:40 PM, "Marc Ohmann" wrote regarding Re [TCLUG] learning linux-ideas@7.sdm: > I would suggest an operating systems book or Advanced Linux Programming > by Stevens. A good os book is the one by Tannenbaum (sp?) which > arguably is the book that Linus originally got his ideas from. There is > also a good O'Reilly book on Linux Kernel design. > To truly understand what is going on in Linux I believe that you need a > strong understanding of operating systems and c programming. Pipes, i/o > redirects, signals, processes, daemons, terminal programming, shells, > ipc, sockets... are the heart of Linux and are taught in a good os class > or book. The rest of the command line is simply programs that implement > these ideas. > The most important thing is that it takes time and experience. I have > been running linux since I installed slackware via floppies on my 386 > about 5 years ago and I still learn all kinds of new stuff each day. > You will never find one source for all you answers. > Reading this mailing list is a good start. You can subscribe to a Linux > magazine such as Linux Journal and read through the how-tos -- I find > myself referencing linuxdoc.org all the time. > The bookstore is also a great place to learn. I end up taking my > daughter to b&n a couple times a month. We sit there for hours and read > (or steal information :-) ). > hope this helps, > Marc > Adam Wolkoff wrote: > >I'm a linux newbie. I want to learn more. I spent some time at the > >bookstore looking at linux books. They were all of the "how to use KDE" > >variety. I might be dumb but I'm not stupid! I don't need some book > >telling me how a GUI works. > > > >I'm looking for info on a class, book, person etc that can teach me how > >linux really works--the much ballyhooed command line. > > > >Any ideas? > > > >Thanks! > > > >Regards, > > > >TeamStrange Airheads, Inc. > >By: Adam S. Wolkoff > >Vice President, Special Projects > >adam@teamstrange.com > >http://www.teamstrange.com > > > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ali at packetknife.com Fri Sep 7 02:18:22 2001 From: ali at packetknife.com (Ali-Reza Anghaie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bye-bye Caldera In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Doug wrote: > And isn't Redhat starting to do the same thing (charging for products, like > postgresql)? All the software components are still OSS, they have RPMs, SRPMs, etc. that you can DL and install yourself. As far as I can tell, Roswell (7.2 beta) has updated Postgres components equivalent of that which ships w/ the DB product. They are selling a "box set" with documentation and such but mostly they are selling support. A specific RHN service level, phone support, install support.. the type of support a lot of shops need. Timely, direct, and to a certain extent guaranteed. (NOTE about the RH lineup: I think there are specific components of CCVS and the eCommerce bits that are closed source. Some possibly licensed, I'm unsure... BUT RH remains a hard-core OSS company. They haven't demonstrated any behavior I'd say was similar to Caldera (w/ Volution and per-seat licensing))... About your mention of Debian... Debian has Progeny now. I wish Progeny well as it is important to the community.. unfortunately the Debian based boxed distros have floundered thus-far (Storm and Corel for example). > There is nothing wrong with the open source model, it's the open source > business model that's flawed. I haven't firmed up my conclusions on this but I don't think the model is necessarily doomed or horribly flawed. There is definitely a demand/need for a company that provides QA, support, professional services, etc. Red Hat happens to be a (current) example of 'that' in the OSS arena. They have provided help and service to a wide range of companies (including SUN)... > The problem isn't that they are trying to sell software, it's that they > are trying to sell something that can be obtained for free. There are lots of reasons people buy the box sets, subscribe to the RHN, hire Red Hat for professional services, etc. A lot of it is for convenience. And a whole lot more for assurances and stability. Red Hat puts the distribution through its paces, certain guarantees of QA, packaging standards. A level of "Quality" and uniformity that some people/places require. > "But they are selling support for the software", well so what? you > can get that for free to (this forum is a small example). People like ~us~ aren't who they are worried about. We aren't gonna put a huge influx of $$ into RH. They are shooting for medium and larger shops that can't necessarily afford the overhead of a big IT department. Shops that aren't pure technology.. flooded w/ geeks (us).. And I don't think anyone here would say they've run off to #redhat or comp.os.* and gotten timely answers for all their important issues each and every time... sometimes you've got to have 100% assurance ~somebody~ will be on the "other side." And even in ~our~ (at least ~my~) case there are times when setting up a box on services like the RHN, gpg/md5 verified, QAed, etc. is simpler and saves me time to tackle more specialized (read: fun) needs. ;-) Anyhow, what I'm trying to say is that lots of people (myself included) have a demand for these types of services regardless of who provides them (I keep siting RH since they do provide a pretty decent example at the very least)... (LATE DISCLAIMER: I am typing this email on a RH box. I have active boxes from other linux distributions and *BSD. I'm a OSS zealot ;-) .. but not always a RH zealot..) Although.. the above brings up an interesting question that keeps resurfacing in my mind. How big is this business space anyhow? ;-) > So if nobody buys the software or support, what can they sell? The only > thing I can think of is proprietary software. Remember a business exists > to make money, which in a way directly contradicts the open source model > doesn't it? > > What they need to do is start creating some, and bundle the OS with it (In > addition to giving the OS away) if the want to stay in business. Ack! Don't even suggest such a thing. With the exit of Netscape from some distributions (as Mozilla, Galeon, Konquerer, etc. progress), we will have complete OSS suites... And even though I can understand companies wanting to protect certain IP, I'm hoping they'll open up more and more over time. > I think another problem is that nobody is aggressively selling linux to > large OEM's, on any level (am I wrong here?). Sure IBM is dumping $1 billion > into it, but even IBM only has a small handful of machines they offer it on. What I think people are expecting is a lot of desktop attention. That is just not going to happen until the offerings on the linux desktop become more compelling. When they do, Dell and the likes will pick-up those options again. > Dell tried it and dropped it because of lack of interest (their lack of > marketing sure didn't help though). They still offer it on their server lineup... which is how most vendors are handling it. And that is a "Good Thing" (TM). > I have been using Redhat linux since 5.2, and have store bought every one. > I'm using Ximian Gnome and the beta's of Evolution, and will buy that on CD > when Evo goes gold. Good... remember, buy early and often. ;-) > But that's just my opinion... I could be wrong. Don't worry, you are. ;-) No no... I'm just stating my opinion. And my opinion is that I ~hope~ you are wrong. :-) Take care, -Ali -- GPG/PGP 53F7FF5F :: 6662 5087 119D 8D18 8501 8A8D C583 97B6 53F7 FF5F -- QOTD: Y'know how s'm people treat th'r body like a TEMPLE? Well, I treat mine like 'n AMUSEMENT PARK... S'great... From jts at tc.umn.edu Fri Sep 7 02:54:15 2001 From: jts at tc.umn.edu (Joel T Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] complete xine - DVD playback for Linux Message-ID: Noting the recent mention of LinDVD here, I thought the following information might be of interest ... There is a relatively easy way to get DVD playback working under linux (at least it worked for me under Mandrake 8.0). The complete_xine site provides binary RPM packages for versions of the xine MPEG player that include encrypted DVD playback capability: http://gape.ist.utl.pt/ment00/linuxdvd.html Xine was not too difficult to set up. The hardest parts were setting up the raw DVD device (see instructions) and figuring out that it was necessary to upgrade the default Mandrake 8.0 kernel (used Mandrake kernel RPMs to upgrade from 2.4.3 to 2.4.7). Xine 0.5.2 looks nicer, but appears to drop more frames and was unable to play the last track (37) of The Matrix, so I'm currently using Xine 0.4.3 (had to manually delete the ~/.xinerc file when downgrading). For a rudimentary full screen mode (using 0.4.3 without Xv), simply use Ctrl-Alt-KeypadPlus to toggle X windows into a lower resolution video mode (X video modes are configured in /etc/X11/XF86Config or /etc/X11/XF86Config-4). Command used to successfully run xine 0.4.3 (uh-oh - running as root): # xine -s -A oss & This stuff may be old news to some people ... but I think it's great! Joel From ali at packetknife.com Fri Sep 7 03:26:53 2001 From: ali at packetknife.com (Ali-Reza Anghaie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bye-bye Caldera In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Ali-Reza Anghaie wrote: > (NOTE about the RH lineup: I think there are specific components of CCVS > and the eCommerce bits that are closed source. Some possibly licensed, > I'm unsure... BUT RH remains a hard-core OSS company. They haven't > demonstrated any behavior I'd say was similar to Caldera (w/ Volution and > per-seat licensing))... I checked on some of this. The eCommerce bits (Interchange is what I was worried about) is OSS... CCVS is still commercial though. Anyhow, I wanted to correct that... and I did verify the bits in Roswell and Rawhide were all recent and not skimped. So its all "support and docs", etc... Anyhow, I'm gonna crash for a few, -Ali -- GPG/PGP 53F7FF5F :: 6662 5087 119D 8D18 8501 8A8D C583 97B6 53F7 FF5F -- Ogden's Law: The sooner you fall behind, the more time you have to catch up. From clay at fandre.com Fri Sep 7 06:46:36 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] journaling file systems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010907064634.A9423@fandre.com> I switched my laptop to ext3 a couple of weeks ago, mainly because it can be done on the fly. Also you can mount it as either ext2 or ext3, which is really nice if you only have an ext2 rescue disk. I'm running it with a 2.4.9 kernel and I haven't had any problems yet. I'd say that is the way to go for anyone wanting to switch to a journaled filesystem without the hassle of redoing your filesystem. http://www.uow.edu.au/~andrewm/linux/ext3/ I'm also running ext3 and Reiser on my desktop at home. I wonder what the most JFS's somebody is running on a single system is... sounds like a web poll to me: http://www.mn-linux.org/sympoll/polllist.php3?mypollid=16 Brian [lxy@cloudnet.com] wrote: > I'm in the process of re-arranging my disk partitons and I want to start > moving stuff to a journaling file system. I realize I'm starting a holy > war here, but I'm pretty well sold on ReiserFS. Are there any real > advantages to using a different FS (xfs, jfs, ext3, etc)? The only reason > I'm moving to a journaling file system is because ext2 sucks. > > -Brian > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Fri Sep 7 07:04:13 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG monthly meeting this Saturday In-Reply-To: <20010906010504.Q24306@ringworld.org> References: <20010905212323.B20746@fandre.com> <20010906010504.Q24306@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010907070411.A10677@fandre.com> I've put up a pdf version of the website. (better late than never, right?) Print it and start handing them out. http://www.mn-linux.org/images/sept08.pdf Thanks Scott. -- Clay Scott Dier [dieman+tclug@ringworld.org] wrote: > * Clay Fandre [010905 21:29]: > > What: > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Monthly Meeting > > I've got something made up at: > > http://www.ringworld.org/~dieman/sept01.ps > > Comments are welcome, but its too late this time for me to change the > format, I think ive proofed it fine enough. > > that im going to post around parts of the building tommrow. I'll make > ~15-20 copies and distribute them. Theres a reason for that ACM logo > at the bottom too, they provide us with room, we advert that they did, > in some sort of psuedo-political circular fashion people in the building > see that ACM is doing good to bring Good Stuff(tm) to the building and > nobody thinks twice about ever getting rid of them. Or at least thats > how i take it. > > I'm not horribly worried that they will get mad by not putting ACM in > the announces, but it couldn't hurt to mention it. > > (I agree, getting a room on campus isn't that hard, but its nice to pull > acm into it if it helps both parties) > > -- > Scott Dier > http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bgilbertson at stonel.com Fri Sep 7 07:04:54 2001 From: bgilbertson at stonel.com (Bob Gilbertson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Microsoft-DOJ opinion Message-ID: <3B98B7E6.F76C08F6@stonel.com> Saw this in Infoworld. http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/01/09/06/010906hndoj.xml?0906thpm When I first saw it I thought "oh no, back to same old stuff". Once I read proposed remedies I realized DOJ is pursuing ideas I've been thinking. Only thing I would add is a "bounty" of, say, $100K or so to anyone who discovers an undisclosed API, payable by Microsoft, and administered by an arbiter from the court. Bob From jasonj at talkware.net Fri Sep 7 07:43:53 2001 From: jasonj at talkware.net (Jason Jorgensen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] For those curious about LinDVD's status... References: <3B981879.1040300@winternet.com> <20010906202606.1fcfe136.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3B98C109.60601@talkware.net> I have had very good luck with 'vlc' and 'mplayer' playing dvd's in linux with my desktop and my laptop (Celeron 400). They both played very smooth, though I think mplayer was slightly better. Mike Hicks wrote: >Michael Vieths wrote: > >>Having a laptop that can do DVDs now, I started searching for updates on >>LinDVD, which was originally demoed over a year ago. Here's the support >>take on it (names removed to protect the innocent). What I find >>interesting is the mention of Dell and Gateway... Dell said they weren't >>offering Linux support on the desktop/laptop market anymore, and I >>haven't heard a peep from Gateway on the issue, one way or the other. >> > >I believe IBM is selling laptops with LinDVD installed, but that's my >flaky memory talking. > From clay at fandre.com Fri Sep 7 07:50:17 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mutt and x-ms-attachment headers Message-ID: <20010907075015.A11047@fandre.com> Anyone know how to get mutt to recognize x-ms-attachment attachments? Netscape Mail recognizes them fine, but mutt doesn't. (Yea, yea, it's a feature, right?) Encoding: 8 TEXT, 1135 UUENCODE, 1276 UUENCODE, 923 UUENCODE, 1030 UUENCODE, 1169 UUENCODE, 1061 UUENCODE, 1195 UUENCODE X-MS-Attachment: Belly time.jpg 0 00-00-1980 00:00 X-MS-Attachment: Brown teddy bear and Troy.jpg 0 00-00-1980 00:00 X-MS-Attachment: Sleeping holding his chin up.jpg 0 00-00-1980 00:00 X-MS-Attachment: Gap hat 2.jpg 0 00-00-1980 00:00 X-MS-Attachment: Troy laughing on his stomach.jpg 0 00-00-1980 00:00 X-MS-Attachment: Fingers in his mouth.jpg 0 00-00-1980 00:00 X-MS-Attachment: Troy on top of Teddy Bear.jpg 0 00-00-1980 00:00 begin 600 Belly time.jpg M_]C_X `02D9)1@`!`0$!+ $L``#_VP!#`! +# X,"A .#0X2$1 3&"@:&!86 M&#$C)1TH.C,]/#DS.#= 2%Q.0$17137!D>%QE9V/_ MVP!#`1$2$A@5&"\:&B]C0CA"8V-C8V-C8V-C8V-C8V-C8V-C8V-C8V-C8V-C M8V-C8V-C8V-C8V-C8V-C8V-C8V-C8V/_P `1" ,`! `#`2(``A$!`Q$!_\0` From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Sep 7 08:22:20 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mutt and x-ms-attachment headers In-Reply-To: <20010907075015.A11047@fandre.com> References: <20010907075015.A11047@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010907082220.2894fe9b.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Clay Fandre wrote: > > Anyone know how to get mutt to recognize x-ms-attachment attachments? > Netscape Mail recognizes them fine, but mutt doesn't. (Yea, yea, it's a > feature, right?) With the snippet you posted, it would seem you could just save the message to a file and pipe the whole thing through `uudecode'. If you want to be really tricky about it, it'd probably be possible to make a procmail recipe for converting into normal mime attachments, but I'd more likely just talk to the mutt developers about it. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Always glad to share my / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ ignorance - I've got \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) plenty. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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After all 4 in one year is growth like a cancer :) Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Clay Fandre |Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 6:47 AM |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org |Subject: Re: [TCLUG] journaling file systems | | |I'm also running ext3 and Reiser on my desktop at home. I wonder |what the most JFS's somebody is running on a single system is... |sounds like a web poll to me: |http://www.mn-linux.org/sympoll/polllist.php3?mypollid=16 From fertch at mninter.net Fri Sep 7 08:59:41 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bye-bye Caldera In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01090708594102.00226@bleys> On Friday 07 September 2001 00:16, you wrote: > I have been using Redhat linux since 5.2, and have store bought every one. > I'm using Ximian Gnome and the beta's of Evolution, and will buy that on CD > when Evo goes gold. I have no problems buying software that I will use and > get my money's worth for (and just to add, I haven't purchased an M$ > product since DOS 6.22, excluding new hardware purchases). Since I don't > contribute code to the open source community, I figure it's my way of > supporting it(if I knew c++ I would be I'm sure). However I think I'm a > minority in that. Everybody I seem to talk to just downloads it and burns > it to cd. I don't know code either, so I support it by purchasing as well. Which, brings up an interesting point. Anyone else out there order Slack 8 from the website? If so, have you gotten it yet? I ordered mine as soon as it became available. Aside from getting an email a month ago or more that they were waiting for the cd's to arrive, that's it. Letters to the webmaster (only e-mail address available) get no response. -- Shawn "Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do." -- Bruce Lee From blayer at qwest.net Fri Sep 7 08:54:47 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux on the Wyse Winterm 2310 Message-ID: <20010907085447.0af32028.blayer@qwest.net> I see this has been brought up once before, but there have been some interesting developments since that time, and I want to revisit it. Wyse makes a series of terminals know as 'Winterms' which are (as you might guess) compact x86 PCs that boot from a flash ROM and run a thin client for NT Terminal Server or NT/Citrix. I got one yesterday (model 2310) at MPC electronics for $15.00, not including a power supply. I think I can fake the supply ;) The Winterm 2310 is based on the AMD Elan SC400-66AC which is a 66Mhz i486 based microcontroller. It has 4MB of flash EEPROM and 8MB of DRAM. Other hardware includes a VIA PS/2 mouse and keyboard interface, a Crystal LAN 10baseT Ethernet controller, and a Cirrus Logic 5440 series VGA chipset, with 512 or 1MB of VRAM. All of the hardware has support in Linux, at least in 2.2 kernels. There is a 100% GPL project (working) called 'alios' which is a bootloader designed specifically to boot a Linux kernel on an Elan SC400 directly from ROM, without a BIOS. The Winterm 2310 meets all of the minimum specs for operation, and has double the minimum RAM called for. Here is a link to that project: http://www.telos.de/linux/alios/default_e.htm It would seem that all of the heavy lifting has been done already. What I need right now, is someone with an EPROM programmer that is capable of programming the Atmel AT29C020 Flash EEPROM chip from which the Winterm boots. This is the little 1/2" square PLCC package, not the standard DIP package that normally is used for PC BIOS chips. Alternatively, it seems that the Elan SC400 is designed to boot from a PCMCIA flash ROM card.. to make this more interesting, the Winterm has a single type-II PCMCIA slot onboard.. I suspect that there is some way to configure the board such that it will seek it's boot image from the PCMCIA card. SO if anyone has a PCMCIA flash card that is 4MB or larger (anything over 8MB is a waste of space) I would like to borrow or swap for it, so that I could try this out. Look at me, I'll all keyed up... -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Sep 7 09:07:13 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Administrator's Security Guide Message-ID: <20010907090713.4151825f.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Kurt Seifried has updated his Linux Administrator's Security Guide. I suppose the site is probably fairly popular right now, and I couldn't get there. Previous versions have been very good. http://www.seifried.org/lasg/ http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-09-05-023-20-SC-HL -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Since Americans throw / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ rice at weddings, do \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) Asians throw hamburgers? [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010907/f3240b0f/attachment.pgp From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Fri Sep 7 09:24:06 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] journaling file systems In-Reply-To: References: <20010907064634.A9423@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010907092406.A7615@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 08:36:50AM -0500, James Spinti wrote: > The poll says up to 5. I thought there were only 4 -- XFS, JFS, ext3, > ReiserFS. What am I missing? Well, there's tux2 [1], and GFS [2], though GFS is more than just a journaling filesystem (but there are a lot of people on this list more qualified than me to write about that ;) ). Also, aren't newer versions of NTFS journaling (though I don't its supported under Linux yet)? 1. http://people.nl.linux.org/~phillips/tux2/ 2. http://www.globalfilesystem.org/ -- Jim Crumley | Free Dmitry Sklyarov! crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | http://freesklyarov.org/ Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Sep 7 09:34:51 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] journaling file systems In-Reply-To: <20010907064634.A9423@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 06:46:36AM -0500 References: <20010907064634.A9423@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010907093451.B3077@llama.sistina.com> On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 06:46:36AM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: >I switched my laptop to ext3 a couple of weeks ago, mainly because it can be done on the fly. Also you can mount it as either ext2 or ext3, which is really nice if you only have an ext2 rescue disk. I'm running it with a 2.4.9 kernel and I haven't had any problems yet. I'd say that is the way to go for anyone wanting to switch to a journaled filesystem without the hassle of redoing your filesystem. >http://www.uow.edu.au/~andrewm/linux/ext3/ > >I'm also running ext3 and Reiser on my desktop at home. I wonder what the most JFS's somebody is running on a single system is... sounds like a web poll to me: >http://www.mn-linux.org/sympoll/polllist.php3?mypollid=16 I have ext2, reiser, gfs, and ext3 on my machine at home. > >Brian [lxy@cloudnet.com] wrote: >> I'm in the process of re-arranging my disk partitons and I want to start >> moving stuff to a journaling file system. I realize I'm starting a holy >> war here, but I'm pretty well sold on ReiserFS. Are there any real >> advantages to using a different FS (xfs, jfs, ext3, etc)? The only reason >> I'm moving to a journaling file system is because ext2 sucks. >> >> -Brian >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> tclug-list mailing list >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. What's the difference between root and God ? God doesn't think that he is root. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Also, Specifically it's called a "Shared Disk Cluter File System" it just happens to be Journalling, but that's not the purpose of it. >aren't newer versions of NTFS journaling (though I don't its >supported under Linux yet)? > > 1. http://people.nl.linux.org/~phillips/tux2/ > 2. http://www.globalfilesystem.org/ >-- >Jim Crumley | Free Dmitry Sklyarov! >crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | http://freesklyarov.org/ >Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. What's the difference between root and God ? God doesn't think that he is root. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010907/e66589be/attachment.pgp From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Fri Sep 7 09:37:02 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mutt and x-ms-attachment headers In-Reply-To: <20010907082220.2894fe9b.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> References: <20010907075015.A11047@fandre.com> <20010907082220.2894fe9b.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010907093702.B7615@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 08:22:20AM -0500, Mike Hicks wrote: > Clay Fandre wrote: > > > > Anyone know how to get mutt to recognize x-ms-attachment attachments? > > Netscape Mail recognizes them fine, but mutt doesn't. (Yea, yea, it's a > > feature, right?) > > With the snippet you posted, it would seem you could just save the message > to a file and pipe the whole thing through `uudecode'. > > If you want to be really tricky about it, it'd probably be possible to > make a procmail recipe for converting into normal mime attachments, but > I'd more likely just talk to the mutt developers about it. Yeah, it looks like a solved problem. Search google for 'mutt' and 'uudeview'. -- Jim Crumley | Free Dmitry Sklyarov! crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | http://freesklyarov.org/ Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From eng at pinenet.com Fri Sep 7 09:43:53 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] learning linux-ideas?.sdm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010907.14435300@linwin.mshome.net> I agree with other responses to your question. Let me also suggest picking up an old Delphi book. Delphi very nicely teaches you C++ programming power, which is the basis for Windows and Linux. But instead of the arcane syntax of C++, Delphi has its own readable syntax (Borland Object Pascal). With Kylix now available (Borland's Linux version of Delphi) the look and feel of Linux could change quickly. I really like how Borland rebuilt C++ to make it more readable. In Linux, anything a command line program can do, a GUI program can do (though maybe not practically yet). I'm guessing you want to control your computer and are looking to Linux to let you do so. You have come to the right place. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 9/5/01, 9:29:37 PM, "Adam Wolkoff" wrote regarding [TCLUG] learning linux-ideas?.sdm: > I'm a linux newbie. I want to learn more. I spent some time at the > bookstore looking at linux books. They were all of the "how to use KDE" > variety. I might be dumb but I'm not stupid! I don't need some book > telling me how a GUI works. > I'm looking for info on a class, book, person etc that can teach me how > linux really works--the much ballyhooed command line. > Any ideas? > Thanks! > Regards, > TeamStrange Airheads, Inc. > By: Adam S. Wolkoff > Vice President, Special Projects > adam@teamstrange.com > http://www.teamstrange.com > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Fri Sep 7 10:05:52 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bye-bye Caldera In-Reply-To: References: <20010906224016.C22130@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010907100552.C7615@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 12:16:36AM -0500, Doug wrote: > > > And isn't Redhat starting to do the same thing (charging for products, like > postgresql)? GreatBridge also officially died today, Suse is on life > support, VA no longer sells hardware and is selling software, Loki is all > but gone, don't know anything about Debian, and Mandrake I don't think is in > a "healthy" state either, and probably a dozen or so other "open source" > companies have died quick deaths in the last year(probably more). Debian being a volunteer organization is fine. Sure development might slow down if some of the developers who are paid by various companies to work full-time on Debian suddenly had to find other jobs. All Debian developers started out as volunteers, and the back log on people trying to become developers is still huge so there's no reason to expect any huge problems for Debian. In fact, Debian real problems seem to be in scaling up to work with so many developers and ports. Besides which, a shake out in the Linux world was inevitable, even if the tech market hadn't crashed. There are just too many for pay Linux Distros at the moment. But the beauty of open source is that even if all of these companies go belly-up the software will still be out there and development will continue. The worst case I can possibly imagine still includes Debian, Slackware, and the BSDs going strong (and I'd be awfully surprised if Red Hat doesn't survive at some level). -- Jim Crumley | Free Dmitry Sklyarov! crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | http://freesklyarov.org/ Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From kethry at winternet.com Fri Sep 7 10:25:53 2001 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Reporting software? In-Reply-To: <20010907100552.C7615@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: So now that I finally get to play with a real sizd box at work to test our application on *grin* - one of the biggest limitations from us moving (or rather allowing for a complete move to linux) wholehog to linux is going to be reporting capabilities. As it stands right now, all of our reporting is handled via Crystal Reports - limitations yes, widely found yes, what I want for a linux environment? definitely no, considering crystal doesn't run on linux....that being the case, what are other options within linux? Thanks, Liz -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From nate at techie.com Fri Sep 7 10:33:06 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] learning linux-ideas?.sdm In-Reply-To: <20010907.14435300@linwin.mshome.net>; from eng@pinenet.com on Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 02:43:53PM +0000 References: <20010907.14435300@linwin.mshome.net> Message-ID: <20010907103306.A1355@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 02:43:53PM +0000, Rick Engebretson wrote: > I really like how Borland rebuilt C++ to make it more readable. You don't remember Turbo Pascal, do you? All Delphi's Object Pascal is is Turbo Pascal with improved classes and exceptions. C++ has nothing to do with it. Also remember that Delphi came before C++ Builder. Nate From nate at techie.com Fri Sep 7 10:50:01 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Reporting software? In-Reply-To: ; from kethry@winternet.com on Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 10:25:53AM -0500 References: <20010907100552.C7615@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010907105001.A31421@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 10:25:53AM -0500, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > As it stands right now, all of our reporting is handled via Crystal > Reports What does Crystal Reports do exactly? Nate From esper at sherohman.org Fri Sep 7 10:59:38 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Reporting software? In-Reply-To: <20010907105001.A31421@candle.mn.mediaone.net>; from nate@techie.com on Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 10:50:01AM -0500 References: <20010907100552.C7615@gordo.space.umn.edu> <20010907105001.A31421@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20010907105938.B30653@sherohman.org> On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 10:50:01AM -0500, Nate Straz wrote: > What does Crystal Reports do exactly? It loads up a database schema and lets you drag'n'drop columns from the schema to create reports. You can also set up 'bands' which repeat for detail records, etc. Pretty much the standard GUI report creation tool in the MS world. (I'm sure it does other stuff, too, since I've never worked with it directly and even that was a few years ago, but that's the core functionality.) -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From shane at shell.schulte.org Fri Sep 7 11:18:11 2001 From: shane at shell.schulte.org (Shane Kinney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Reporting software? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010907111639.C25682-100000@pinnacle.schulte.org> Umm. Not too sure but you might want to look at Java + XML. We use Crystal reports here too for Windoze stuff. I'm not sure that Java + XML is a practial solution but it's worth looking at. ~Shane On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > So now that I finally get to play with a real sizd box at work to test our > application on *grin* - one of the biggest limitations from us moving (or > rather allowing for a complete move to linux) wholehog to linux is going > to be reporting capabilities. As it stands right now, all of our reporting > is handled via Crystal Reports - limitations yes, widely found yes, what I > want for a linux environment? definitely no, considering crystal doesn't > run on linux....that being the case, what are other options within linux? > > Thanks, > Liz > > -- > Imagination is intelligence having fun... > e-mail: kethry@winternet.com > URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jesse_erdmann at securecomputing.com Fri Sep 7 11:20:55 2001 From: jesse_erdmann at securecomputing.com (Jesse Erdmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIC kernel modules Message-ID: <3B98F3E7.57DC2EE6@securecomputing.com> Does anyone know a way to programtically tell what module a NIC is using, or alternatively find out which NICs are using a particular module? For instance, say you have a machine with two eepro100s and a 3c509b. I need a way to determine which, if any are using the 3c509b module. I don't care if it's a tool like ifconfig or some ioctl that I could whip up a C proggie to use. I know the information is *usually* in conf.modules for RedHat machines, but I'd like a way to get the info from the kernel. Thanks! -- Jesse Erdmann Engineer Secure Computing Corp. From amy at real-time.com Fri Sep 7 10:59:34 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mapping to samba drive from windows Message-ID: <20010907105934.N21158@real-time.com> When mapping to a linux/samba drive from Win98, is there anyway to specify the username? I tried \\host\share%username \\host%username\share I thought there WAS a way, but I've been unable to get it to work. Note, I can map a drive using the username I'm logged into Windows with, but I'd like to specify a different username for a particular share. Thanks. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From dutchman at uswest.net Fri Sep 7 11:29:29 2001 From: dutchman at uswest.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Reporting software? References: Message-ID: <3B98F5E9.13EC3F23@uswest.net> Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > > So now that I finally get to play with a real sizd box at work to test our > application on *grin* - one of the biggest limitations from us moving (or > rather allowing for a complete move to linux) wholehog to linux is going > to be reporting capabilities. As it stands right now, all of our reporting > is handled via Crystal Reports - limitations yes, widely found yes, what I > want for a linux environment? definitely no, considering crystal doesn't > run on linux....that being the case, what are other options within linux? > > Thanks, > Liz Ugly Hack.... If I remember right, Crystal Reports (you are using Reports, not Enterprise?) does have a Java API or some type of web interface API. One solution is to wrap the Crystal Reports API around a servlet or EJB. If servlets are your game, host the servlet wrapper on Tomcat under your favorite flavor of Windows. If you prefer an EJB, the JBoss under Windows is your ticket. It sucks but it gets you where you want to be. Perry Hoekstra, MS E-Commerce Architect Talent Software Services perry.hoekstra@talentemail.com From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Fri Sep 7 11:33:44 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIC kernel modules In-Reply-To: <3B98F3E7.57DC2EE6@securecomputing.com> References: <3B98F3E7.57DC2EE6@securecomputing.com> Message-ID: <20010907113344.A8303@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 11:20:55AM -0500, Jesse Erdmann wrote: > Does anyone know a way to programtically tell what module a NIC is > using, or alternatively find out which NICs are using a particular > module? > > For instance, say you have a machine with two eepro100s and a 3c509b. I > need a way to determine which, if any are using the 3c509b module. I > don't care if it's a tool like ifconfig or some ioctl that I could whip > up a C proggie to use. Is /proc/modules or /proc/ioports enough info? -- Jim Crumley | Free Dmitry Sklyarov! crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | http://freesklyarov.org/ Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From kethry at winternet.com Fri Sep 7 11:45:18 2001 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Reporting software? Message-ID: Crystal has a Java web viewer, true, but it doesn't have as much functionality as the ActiveX viewer - Crystal has made it VERY obvious that while they technically can work with other technologies, their preferred methods are IIS and asp - things not altogether all taht fun to deal with when working with Domino...Keep in mind that all of this has to be packagable and sent on to full license clients -so a Java/XML solution is and ok way to go for just the ASP customers (Application Service Provider not active server page) but not as good a solution for our full license clients. And no, we're not using Enterprise *yet* and I'm a large reason why simply because I won't allow the upgrade without full testing and we just don't have the personnel to do the testing and development....(tech staff still numbers 4) I do most of the Crystal/Notes administrative work - in addition to product development...needless to say, there are so many hours in the day to get everything done *chuckle*. BUT - that being the case, I'm still pushing moving us to a more platform independent view. We *claim* platform independence simply because of the Notes/Domino backend - but in reality until we get rid of Crystal, we're pretty much stuck in M$-land at least partially. Liz -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From jay at slushpupie.com Fri Sep 7 11:52:32 2001 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDE Fonts Message-ID: <20010907165234.OMZS23054.femail43.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> I did an install of KDE 2.2 on Debian (from unstable) and I have really only one problem. I have 3 fonts installed. This would be fine if I knew how to get other fonts installed. Anyone know how to do this? These are not the fonts for the X server, I have all those working just fine. The problem is in places like KWord and int he Control Center where you select fonts, there are only 3 fonts listed. Jay -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- Your true value depends entirely on what you are compared with. From simeonuj at eetc.com Fri Sep 7 11:58:03 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux on the Wyse Winterm 2310 References: <20010907085447.0af32028.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3B98FC7A.48AF8A40@eetc.com> Bill Layer wrote: > > I see this has been brought up once before, but there have been some > interesting developments since that time, and I want to revisit it. > > Wyse makes a series of terminals know as 'Winterms' which are (as you > might guess) compact x86 PCs that boot from a flash ROM and run a thin > client for NT Terminal Server or NT/Citrix. I got one yesterday (model > 2310) at MPC electronics for $15.00, not including a power supply. I think > I can fake the supply ;) > > The Winterm 2310 is based on the AMD Elan SC400-66AC which is a 66Mhz i486 > based microcontroller. It has 4MB of flash EEPROM and 8MB of DRAM. Other > hardware includes a VIA PS/2 mouse and keyboard interface, a Crystal LAN > 10baseT Ethernet controller, and a Cirrus Logic 5440 series VGA chipset, > with 512 or 1MB of VRAM. All of the hardware has support in Linux, at > least in 2.2 kernels. > > There is a 100% GPL project (working) called 'alios' which is a bootloader > designed specifically to boot a Linux kernel on an Elan SC400 directly > from ROM, without a BIOS. The Winterm 2310 meets all of the minimum specs > for operation, and has double the minimum RAM called for. Here is a link > to that project: http://www.telos.de/linux/alios/default_e.htm It would > seem that all of the heavy lifting has been done already. > > What I need right now, is someone with an EPROM programmer that is capable > of programming the Atmel AT29C020 Flash EEPROM chip from which the Winterm > boots. This is the little 1/2" square PLCC package, not the standard DIP > package that normally is used for PC BIOS chips. Alternatively, it seems > that the Elan SC400 is designed to boot from a PCMCIA flash ROM card.. to > make this more interesting, the Winterm has a single type-II PCMCIA slot > onboard.. I suspect that there is some way to configure the board such > that it will seek it's boot image from the PCMCIA card. SO if anyone has a > PCMCIA flash card that is 4MB or larger (anything over 8MB is a waste of > space) I would like to borrow or swap for it, so that I could try this > out. > > Look at me, I'll all keyed up... I have/had several of these winterms. Could you keep me posted about this? I would love to be able to boot linux. sim From fertch at mninter.net Fri Sep 7 12:01:44 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISA modem In-Reply-To: <20010904104608.A10666@beaver.iucha.org> References: <01083011321101.00829@bleys> <01090409160801.00488@bleys> <20010904104608.A10666@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <01090712014404.00226@bleys> On Tuesday 04 September 2001 10:46, you wrote: > > >Sounds like an old 8 bit card. ?Is it possible that the jumpers are set > > > to an IRQ that something else is using? ?Most of the older ISA modems > > > had an IRQ range up to 7, could it be set the same as your parallel > > > port or sound card? > > > > Parallel is IRQ of 7. Modem is 5. All of the external serial ports are > > disabled, and as far as I can tell there isn't anything with this IRQ > > besides the modem. In Windows, I can go into the control panel and look > > at the irq's assigned. What's the equivalent for Linux and how can it be > > done if possible? > > cat /proc/interrupts Okay, getting back to this.... My modem is set to IRQ 5, com 4 in Win2k. The system bios is detecting is as IRQ 5 as well. when I cat /proc/interrupts it's not showing that IRQ 5 is in use? This is even after I did a set serial of /dev/ttyS3 to IRQ of 5. This whole internal modem thing is a bit frustrating... -- Shawn "Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do." -- Bruce Lee From jeffr at odeon.net Fri Sep 7 12:04:59 2001 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Reporting software? In-Reply-To: <20010907105938.B30653@sherohman.org> Message-ID: I imagine it's very similar to CustomView Report Writer/Runner (which sadly is also Windows only last time I checked). I've been looking for something similar under linux myself and haven't been very successful either. What I may end up doing is just setting up a Zope server to connect to our report database (for an ACD phone system, everything gets logged to an sql database) and manually create the reports that people want. This solution will make initial report setup more work, but it'll be much easier to distribute the reports, I can just point them to a URL on our intranet. I'm still in the "thinking about it" stage though, so if you find a better solution for report creation I'd love to hear about it. Jeff On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 10:50:01AM -0500, Nate Straz wrote: > > What does Crystal Reports do exactly? > > It loads up a database schema and lets you drag'n'drop columns from > the schema to create reports. You can also set up 'bands' which > repeat for detail records, etc. Pretty much the standard GUI report > creation tool in the MS world. (I'm sure it does other stuff, too, > since I've never worked with it directly and even that was a few > years ago, but that's the core functionality.) > > From jesse_erdmann at securecomputing.com Fri Sep 7 12:17:20 2001 From: jesse_erdmann at securecomputing.com (Jesse Erdmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIC kernel modules References: <3B98F3E7.57DC2EE6@securecomputing.com> <20010907113344.A8303@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3B990120.5DCAF7AC@securecomputing.com> Jim Crumley wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 11:20:55AM -0500, Jesse Erdmann wrote: > > Does anyone know a way to programtically tell what module a NIC is > > using, or alternatively find out which NICs are using a particular > > module? > > > > For instance, say you have a machine with two eepro100s and a 3c509b. I > > need a way to determine which, if any are using the 3c509b module. I > > don't care if it's a tool like ifconfig or some ioctl that I could whip > > up a C proggie to use. > > Is /proc/modules or /proc/ioports enough info? /proc/modules tells me how many devices are using a specific module, but it doesn't tell me which ones. I really need to know something like ethX is using moduleX. I need to send an ioctl with the name of the device (eth0, eth1, etc). If I use eth1 when eth1 is using some other module, that ioctl might mean something very different to the module eth1 is using. That could cause bad things to happen. -- Jesse Erdmann Engineer Secure Computing Corp. From ming at mongo.evil-overlords.com Fri Sep 7 12:21:19 2001 From: ming at mongo.evil-overlords.com (Jason) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Microsoft-DOJ opinion In-Reply-To: <3B98B7E6.F76C08F6@stonel.com> Message-ID: I don't know....plus with the release of IE6 and is lack of support for "plug-ins" and java, kinda makes it hard for me to believe that they will not do anti-competetive things....oh well just the thoughts of a two cent head Jason -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Bob Gilbertson Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 7:05 AM To: TCLUG Subject: [TCLUG] Microsoft-DOJ opinion Saw this in Infoworld. http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/01/09/06/010906hndoj.xml?0906thpm When I first saw it I thought "oh no, back to same old stuff". Once I read proposed remedies I realized DOJ is pursuing ideas I've been thinking. Only thing I would add is a "bounty" of, say, $100K or so to anyone who discovers an undisclosed API, payable by Microsoft, and administered by an arbiter from the court. Bob _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Fri Sep 7 12:20:48 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIC kernel modules In-Reply-To: <3B990120.5DCAF7AC@securecomputing.com> References: <3B98F3E7.57DC2EE6@securecomputing.com> <20010907113344.A8303@gordo.space.umn.edu> <3B990120.5DCAF7AC@securecomputing.com> Message-ID: <20010907122048.A14387@fandre.com> Does your ifconfig show you IRQs? (Mine does) If it does, you can cross-match them. Hi Jesse! On Fri, 07 Sep 2001, Jesse Erdmann wrote: > Jim Crumley wrote: > > > > On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 11:20:55AM -0500, Jesse Erdmann wrote: > > > Does anyone know a way to programtically tell what module a NIC is > > > using, or alternatively find out which NICs are using a particular > > > module? > > > > > > For instance, say you have a machine with two eepro100s and a 3c509b. I > > > need a way to determine which, if any are using the 3c509b module. I > > > don't care if it's a tool like ifconfig or some ioctl that I could whip > > > up a C proggie to use. > > > > Is /proc/modules or /proc/ioports enough info? > > /proc/modules tells me how many devices are using a specific module, but > it doesn't tell me which ones. I really need to know something like > ethX is using moduleX. I need to send an ioctl with the name of the > device (eth0, eth1, etc). If I use eth1 when eth1 is using some other > module, that ioctl might mean something very different to the module > eth1 is using. That could cause bad things to happen. > > -- > > Jesse Erdmann > Engineer > Secure Computing Corp. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ming at mongo.evil-overlords.com Fri Sep 7 12:25:08 2001 From: ming at mongo.evil-overlords.com (Jason) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mapping to samba drive from windows In-Reply-To: <20010907105934.N21158@real-time.com> Message-ID: Well from what I know once you get the share made on the Linux box it should prompt you for the username and password. Now you have to have permission via the samba daemon and fs permissions if I am not mistaken. Not sure how to implement what you want to do....still pretty new to samba myself Jason -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Amy Tanner Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 11:00 AM To: tclug-list@real-time.com Subject: [TCLUG] mapping to samba drive from windows When mapping to a linux/samba drive from Win98, is there anyway to specify the username? I tried \\host\share%username \\host%username\share I thought there WAS a way, but I've been unable to get it to work. Note, I can map a drive using the username I'm logged into Windows with, but I'd like to specify a different username for a particular share. Thanks. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jesse_erdmann at securecomputing.com Fri Sep 7 12:32:53 2001 From: jesse_erdmann at securecomputing.com (Jesse Erdmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIC kernel modules References: <3B98F3E7.57DC2EE6@securecomputing.com> <20010907113344.A8303@gordo.space.umn.edu> <3B990120.5DCAF7AC@securecomputing.com> <20010907122048.A14387@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3B9904C5.F5E92910@securecomputing.com> Are you suggesting I cross-match that with /proc/interrupts? What I see in my /proc/interrupts lists eth0 and eth1, not the module. Is it the same for you? Did you have something else in mind to check against? Clay Fandre wrote: > > Does your ifconfig show you IRQs? (Mine does) If it does, you can cross-match them. > > Hi Jesse! > > On Fri, 07 Sep 2001, Jesse Erdmann wrote: > > > > /proc/modules tells me how many devices are using a specific module, but > > it doesn't tell me which ones. I really need to know something like > > ethX is using moduleX. I need to send an ioctl with the name of the > > device (eth0, eth1, etc). If I use eth1 when eth1 is using some other > > module, that ioctl might mean something very different to the module > > eth1 is using. That could cause bad things to happen. > > -- Jesse Erdmann Engineer Secure Computing Corp. From florin at iucha.net Fri Sep 7 12:33:30 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Reporting software? In-Reply-To: ; from kethry@winternet.com on Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 10:25:53AM -0500 References: <20010907100552.C7615@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010907123330.A12963@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 10:25:53AM -0500, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > So now that I finally get to play with a real sizd box at work to test our > application on *grin* - one of the biggest limitations from us moving (or > rather allowing for a complete move to linux) wholehog to linux is going > to be reporting capabilities. As it stands right now, all of our reporting > is handled via Crystal Reports - limitations yes, widely found yes, what I > want for a linux environment? definitely no, considering crystal doesn't > run on linux....that being the case, what are other options within linux? http://www.thekompany.com/projects/kugar/ florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From clay at fandre.com Fri Sep 7 12:37:29 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mapping to samba drive from windows In-Reply-To: References: <20010907105934.N21158@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010907123729.B14387@fandre.com> Can you specify the username from the command prompt with a net use command? I'm just guessing since all I have available to me right now is NT. On Fri, 07 Sep 2001, Jason wrote: > Well from what I know once you get the share made on the Linux box it should > prompt you for the username and password. Now you have to have permission > via the samba daemon and fs permissions if I am not mistaken. Not sure how > to implement what you want to do....still pretty new to samba myself > > > Jason > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Amy Tanner > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 11:00 AM > To: tclug-list@real-time.com > Subject: [TCLUG] mapping to samba drive from windows > > > When mapping to a linux/samba drive from Win98, is there anyway to > specify the username? > > I tried > \\host\share%username > \\host%username\share > > I thought there WAS a way, but I've been unable to get it to work. Note, > I can map a drive using the username I'm logged into Windows with, but > I'd like to specify a different username for a particular share. > > Thanks. > > -- > Amy Tanner > amy@real-time.com > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Fri Sep 7 12:40:43 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIC kernel modules In-Reply-To: <3B9904C5.F5E92910@securecomputing.com> References: <3B98F3E7.57DC2EE6@securecomputing.com> <20010907113344.A8303@gordo.space.umn.edu> <3B990120.5DCAF7AC@securecomputing.com> <20010907122048.A14387@fandre.com> <3B9904C5.F5E92910@securecomputing.com> Message-ID: <20010907124043.C14387@fandre.com> Ahhh, you're right. How about looking in dmesg to see what each network interface is? tsmcyf@lildeb:~$ dmesg | grep eth eth0: OEM i82557/i82558 10/100 Ethernet, 00:D0:B7:43:D1:D4, IRQ 11. eth1: Xircom: port 0x300, irq 3, hwaddr 00:10:A4:9A:50:76 tsmcyf@lildeb:~$ On Fri, 07 Sep 2001, Jesse Erdmann wrote: > Are you suggesting I cross-match that with /proc/interrupts? What I see > in my /proc/interrupts lists eth0 and eth1, not the module. Is it the > same for you? Did you have something else in mind to check against? > > Clay Fandre wrote: > > > > Does your ifconfig show you IRQs? (Mine does) If it does, you can cross-match them. > > > > Hi Jesse! > > > > On Fri, 07 Sep 2001, Jesse Erdmann wrote: > > > > > > /proc/modules tells me how many devices are using a specific module, but > > > it doesn't tell me which ones. I really need to know something like > > > ethX is using moduleX. I need to send an ioctl with the name of the > > > device (eth0, eth1, etc). If I use eth1 when eth1 is using some other > > > module, that ioctl might mean something very different to the module > > > eth1 is using. That could cause bad things to happen. > > > > > -- > > Jesse Erdmann > Engineer > Secure Computing Corp. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dsherman at real-time.com Fri Sep 7 12:44:25 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mapping to samba drive from windows In-Reply-To: <20010907105934.N21158@real-time.com> References: <20010907105934.N21158@real-time.com> Message-ID: <999884672.2566.10.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> On Fri, 2001-09-07 at 10:59, Amy Tanner wrote: > When mapping to a linux/samba drive from Win98, is there anyway to > specify the username? > > I tried > \\host\share%username > \\host%username\share > > I thought there WAS a way, but I've been unable to get it to work. Note, > I can map a drive using the username I'm logged into Windows with, but > I'd like to specify a different username for a particular share. > > Thanks. > Unfortunately, Windows 98 will *only* use the currently logged-in user/password for authentication. You need NT Workstation/Win2kPro or better to be able to properly specify multiple users/passwords for authentication. Dave Sherman -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010907/c199a0e1/attachment.pgp From natecars at real-time.com Fri Sep 7 12:42:17 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (messy) writeup of getting infrared working on a vaio with a nokia phone Message-ID: I've got a Nokia 8290, which has an integrated modem. I decided I wanted to be able to use this modem for wireless 'net access. So, I set it up. :) I'm using a VAIO PCG-F390 for my notebook. With the directions below, I was able to bring a link up to the Internet over my phone. First time I tried, I ended up with 5000ms ping times.. I asked the IRDA mailing list, they said to turn the 'FAST_RR' config option on, I did, now I get <1000ms pings. Still slow (9600 connect), but heck, who cares? Sure beats the display you get for 'Wireless Web' :) Also note that VoiceStream (my phone provider) does sell an option called DataStream, which adds a bunch of data-only minutes, and gives you the ability to receive faxes / data calls to your modem. But, if you don't have this option, you can still make calls -- the minutes just get subtracted like voice calls. That is _very_ nice! Directions to set it up: http://www.natecarlson.com/linux/vaio-infrared.html (Once you have the infrared link up, you can also do nice things like copy phonebook entries to/from your phone -- very handy for making backups, or for switching phone models.) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From ming at mongo.evil-overlords.com Fri Sep 7 12:45:26 2001 From: ming at mongo.evil-overlords.com (Jason) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mapping to samba drive from windows In-Reply-To: <20010907123729.B14387@fandre.com> Message-ID: ummmm i think its net logon user but not sure what else there is to get you logged in. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Clay Fandre Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 12:37 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] mapping to samba drive from windows Can you specify the username from the command prompt with a net use command? I'm just guessing since all I have available to me right now is NT. On Fri, 07 Sep 2001, Jason wrote: > Well from what I know once you get the share made on the Linux box it should > prompt you for the username and password. Now you have to have permission > via the samba daemon and fs permissions if I am not mistaken. Not sure how > to implement what you want to do....still pretty new to samba myself > > > Jason > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Amy Tanner > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 11:00 AM > To: tclug-list@real-time.com > Subject: [TCLUG] mapping to samba drive from windows > > > When mapping to a linux/samba drive from Win98, is there anyway to > specify the username? > > I tried > \\host\share%username > \\host%username\share > > I thought there WAS a way, but I've been unable to get it to work. Note, > I can map a drive using the username I'm logged into Windows with, but > I'd like to specify a different username for a particular share. > > Thanks. > > -- > Amy Tanner > amy@real-time.com > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Fri Sep 7 12:44:23 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mapping to samba drive from windows In-Reply-To: <999884672.2566.10.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> Message-ID: On 7 Sep 2001, Dave Sherman wrote: > Unfortunately, Windows 98 will *only* use the currently logged-in user/password > for authentication. You need NT Workstation/Win2kPro or better to be able to > properly specify multiple users/passwords for authentication. There _is_ actually a way to switch the username -- I just don't remember how. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jasonj at talkware.net Fri Sep 7 12:50:31 2001 From: jasonj at talkware.net (Jason Jorgensen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDE Fonts References: <20010907165234.OMZS23054.femail43.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Message-ID: <3B9908E7.1070708@talkware.net> I had a problem with fonts. It was only showing me the installed Anti-Aliased fonts. I had to uncheck the box saying Use AntiAliased fonts so that I could get all available X fonts. Jay Kline wrote: >I did an install of KDE 2.2 on Debian (from unstable) and I have really only >one problem. I have 3 fonts installed. This would be fine if I knew how to >get other fonts installed. Anyone know how to do this? > >These are not the fonts for the X server, I have all those working just fine. > The problem is in places like KWord and int he Control Center where you >select fonts, there are only 3 fonts listed. > >Jay > From jesse_erdmann at securecomputing.com Fri Sep 7 13:00:15 2001 From: jesse_erdmann at securecomputing.com (Jesse Erdmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIC kernel modules References: <3B98F3E7.57DC2EE6@securecomputing.com> <20010907113344.A8303@gordo.space.umn.edu> <3B990120.5DCAF7AC@securecomputing.com> <20010907122048.A14387@fandre.com> <3B9904C5.F5E92910@securecomputing.com> <20010907124043.C14387@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3B990B2F.705234FA@securecomputing.com> Well, we're getting closer! Our driver currently doesn't put in useful messages, but I think I could sprikle a few in that might make that solution work. Or at least add a few so that checking through /var/log/messages* might do the trick. Unless I can figure out how to get something specifically into dmesg from our driver so as to avoid sifting through multiple matches. The other route I'm pursuing is using the functions from /usr/include/pci/pci.h to get pci device information. If I can get the devices and check their vendor and device ids then I could match IRQs as well. Unfortunately I don't have any man pages for those functions. Drat. Guess it's off to google if I decide to pursue that further. Thanks! Clay Fandre wrote: > > Ahhh, you're right. How about looking in dmesg to see what each network interface is? > tsmcyf@lildeb:~$ dmesg | grep eth > eth0: OEM i82557/i82558 10/100 Ethernet, 00:D0:B7:43:D1:D4, IRQ 11. > eth1: Xircom: port 0x300, irq 3, hwaddr 00:10:A4:9A:50:76 > tsmcyf@lildeb:~$ -- Jesse Erdmann Engineer Secure Computing Corp. From amy at real-time.com Fri Sep 7 13:00:02 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mapping to samba drive from windows In-Reply-To: <20010907123729.B14387@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 12:37:29PM -0500 References: <20010907105934.N21158@real-time.com> <20010907123729.B14387@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010907130002.Q21158@real-time.com> On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 12:37:29PM -0500, Clay Fandre (clay@fandre.com) wrote: > Can you specify the username from the command prompt with a net use command? I'm just guessing since all I have available to me right now is NT. Not that I can see from looking at the help for the net use command. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From esper at sherohman.org Fri Sep 7 13:11:39 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIC kernel modules In-Reply-To: <20010907124043.C14387@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 12:40:43PM -0500 References: <3B98F3E7.57DC2EE6@securecomputing.com> <20010907113344.A8303@gordo.space.umn.edu> <3B990120.5DCAF7AC@securecomputing.com> <20010907122048.A14387@fandre.com> <3B9904C5.F5E92910@securecomputing.com> <20010907124043.C14387@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010907131138.C30653@sherohman.org> On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 12:40:43PM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > Ahhh, you're right. How about looking in dmesg to see what each network interface is? > tsmcyf@lildeb:~$ dmesg | grep eth > eth0: OEM i82557/i82558 10/100 Ethernet, 00:D0:B7:43:D1:D4, IRQ 11. > eth1: Xircom: port 0x300, irq 3, hwaddr 00:10:A4:9A:50:76 > tsmcyf@lildeb:~$ Unreliable. dmesg reads from an 8k circular buffer, so machines which have long uptimes or use certain kernel functions will lose information from it. (One of my servers uses the kernel RAID implementation. 6 RAID devices and each one of them spews a bazillion lines of messages as it starts up. By the time the system finishes booting, dmesg shows _nothing_ except RAID trivia.) -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From jack at jacku.com Fri Sep 7 13:08:29 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] learning linux-ideas?.sdm In-Reply-To: <20010907103306.A1355@candle.mn.mediaone.net> References: <20010907.14435300@linwin.mshome.net> <20010907103306.A1355@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <01090713082901.01833@geezer> On Friday 07 September 2001 10:33, you wrote: > On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 02:43:53PM +0000, Rick Engebretson wrote: > > I really like how Borland rebuilt C++ to make it more readable. > > You don't remember Turbo Pascal, do you? All Delphi's Object Pascal is > is Turbo Pascal with improved classes and exceptions. C++ has nothing > to do with it. Also remember that Delphi came before C++ Builder. > > Nate Not only do I remember Turbo Pascal, I remember Alice. 8^) True Delphi came before C++ Builder, but Turbo C++ was out long before Delphi. ;-) -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com "Living History of the Micro Computer Era" From jack at jacku.com Fri Sep 7 13:17:52 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Reporting software? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01090713175202.01833@geezer> This is a long shot possibility only because I haven't done enough work on this to say you can or you can't do it for sure. Since Notes/Domino provides some tools for generating reports. That is you could create the report to a document using LotusScript or Java. If you are willing to layer one more language/toolkit on the pile there is the Reportlab toolkit for python that provides an API for generating PDFs on the fly. I have played with this somewhat and its on my list of things to dig deeper into now that I have a little extra "free time". Since Reportlab is supposed to be able to render HTML/XML to the PDF you may be able to build the report as an HTML based report for online viewing and then print it by converting to a PDF using Reportlab's API if you need additional formating/template control or even with one of the html to pdf conversion options. Rambling on... Jack. On Friday 07 September 2001 11:45, you wrote: > Crystal has a Java web viewer, true, but it doesn't have as much > functionality as the ActiveX viewer - Crystal has made it VERY obvious > that while they technically can work with other technologies, their > preferred methods are IIS and asp - things not altogether all taht fun to > deal with when working with Domino...Keep in mind that all of this has to > be packagable and sent on to full license clients -so a Java/XML solution > is and ok way to go for just the ASP customers (Application Service > Provider not active server page) but not as good a solution for our full > license clients. > > And no, we're not using Enterprise *yet* and I'm a large reason why simply > because I won't allow the upgrade without full testing and we just don't > have the personnel to do the testing and development....(tech staff still > numbers 4) I do most of the Crystal/Notes administrative work - in > addition to product development...needless to say, there are so many hours > in the day to get everything done *chuckle*. > > BUT - that being the case, I'm still pushing moving us to a more platform > independent view. We *claim* platform independence simply because of the > Notes/Domino backend - but in reality until we get rid of Crystal, we're > pretty much stuck in M$-land at least partially. > > Liz > > -- > Imagination is intelligence having fun... > e-mail: kethry@winternet.com > URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Sep 7 13:24:30 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] firewall friendly ftp? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDE7F@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> For ftp to work, you must open both 20 and 21. 20 doesn't start listening until you initiate a data transfer. Try it, it will work. > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua b. Jore [mailto:josh@greentechnologist.org] > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 5:58 PM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] firewall friendly ftp? > > > Yes, it's BSD. I still hang out here because I figure that > even if I run BSD at home, I'm still too fond of Linux (tho > the zealotry is a bit much some times) to leave. And this > problem should be OS-agnostic anyway. > > I'm not sure about the client but I'm pretty sure port 20 > isn't used by the server. [1] I've never seen the server > start listening here and the source doesn't indicate that it > should. In general, if a server is accomodate active and > passive clients then it must be able to accept connections on > any of a set of ports. In my case it's restricted to > 49152-49172. I'm just trying to go to the next step where the > ports are closed by default and the server can kick off an > external command to open a given port for an ip for limited > time. It *seems* pretty simple and I just don't understand > why I haven't run across it elsewhere. > > Joshua Jore > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United > States and longing to return to once-Communist Russia so he > can regain his right to free speech is simply staggering." - > someone else > > [1] > The protocol specifies that control occurs on port 21 and > that via PORT, LPRT, EPRT, PASV, LPSV, EPSV each machine may > request a data connection. The PORT series is a message to > the other machine telling it to connect to a given IP+port. > This is also called 'active' mode. Conversely, PASV asks the > other side to supply an IP+port which is then connected to. > There isn't anything going on here that says that port 20 is > what will be passed in PORT or returned from PASV. > > On Thu, 6 Sep 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > So it's solaris or BSD? > > > > In any case, I just opened ports 20 and 21 on my firewall to my ftp > > server, and I can ftp into it just fine from the outside. > You opened > > both of those ports right? > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Joshua b. Jore [mailto:josh@greentechnologist.org] > > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 4:17 PM > > > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > > > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] firewall friendly ftp? > > > > > > > > > Well... it's ipf on the same box as the ftp server. I think I can > > > patch my existing ftp server so it makes external calls > to open the > > > right port to the right IP but I figured it'd be easier > to just use > > > something that already does that. > > > > > > Joshua Jore > > > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > > > "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United > States and > > > longing to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his > > > right to free speech is simply staggering." - someone else > > > > > > On Thu, 6 Sep 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > > > > > What type of firewall are you using? Linux box, PIX, > Firewall-1, > > > > Netscreen.... ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Joshua b. Jore [mailto:josh@greentechnologist.org] > > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 2:51 PM > > > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > > Subject: [TCLUG] firewall friendly ftp? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've tried searching around for a bit and what I'm > finding isn't > > > > > relevant. I'm trying to make my ftp server make nice with my > > > > > firewall. In reading the ftp spec, it says that on > PASV, EPSV or > > > > > LPSV the ftp server should start listening somewhere and > > > then tell > > > > > the client to come and get it. Do you know of anything > > > that can say, > > > > > make exernal calls so I can open the right port on the > > > firewall on > > > > > the fly? I figured I'd clean the open ports up > > > independantly. This > > > > > doesn't seem like a unique idea, I just haven't seen > anyone talk > > > > > about a solution. > > > > > > > > > > Ideas? > > > > > > > > > > Joshua Jore > > > > > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > > > > > "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United > > > States and > > > > > longing to return to once-Communist Russia so he can > regain his > > > > > right to free speech is simply staggering." - someone else > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Sep 7 13:35:31 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (messy) writeup of getting infrared working on a vaio with a nokia phone In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > I've got a Nokia 8290, which has an integrated modem. I decided I wanted > to be able to use this modem for wireless 'net access. So, I set it up. :) Yippe skippy!! I've been wanting to get the IR port working this way and it's in my phone's docs how to do it under 'doze. Does anyone have an idea of how many Nokias have the built in modems? AFAIK you can get a DL-3 cable and make any Nokia phone dial out, and a lot of them have IR ports. I have friends who are buying cell modems and $70 cables and all sorts of fun stuff, all for a 9600 (at best) speed. -Brian From gmcdavid at winternet.com Fri Sep 7 13:42:31 2001 From: gmcdavid at winternet.com (Glenn McDavid) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slack 8 (was Re: Bye-bye Caldera In-Reply-To: <01090708594102.00226@bleys> Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Shawn Fertch wrote: > .... Which, > brings up an interesting point. Anyone else out there order Slack 8 > from the website? If so, have you gotten it yet? I ordered mine > as soon as it became available. Aside from getting an email a month > ago or more that they were waiting for the cd's to arrive, that's > it. Letters to the webmaster (only > e-mail address available) get no response. My experience was similar, but my CD's did eventually arrive. It looks like they are slowly working through a long list of orders. I don't think they have a lot of infrastructure, shipping staff, etc. now. That was lost with the split from Walnut Creek. Glenn McDavid mailto:gmcdavid@winternet.com http://www.winternet.com/~gmcdavid From clay at fandre.com Fri Sep 7 13:45:32 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIC kernel modules In-Reply-To: <20010907131138.C30653@sherohman.org> References: <3B98F3E7.57DC2EE6@securecomputing.com> <20010907113344.A8303@gordo.space.umn.edu> <3B990120.5DCAF7AC@securecomputing.com> <20010907122048.A14387@fandre.com> <3B9904C5.F5E92910@securecomputing.com> <20010907124043.C14387@fandre.com> <20010907131138.C30653@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20010907134532.B15093@fandre.com> On Fri, 07 Sep 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 12:40:43PM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > > Ahhh, you're right. How about looking in dmesg to see what each network interface is? > > tsmcyf@lildeb:~$ dmesg | grep eth > > eth0: OEM i82557/i82558 10/100 Ethernet, 00:D0:B7:43:D1:D4, IRQ 11. > > eth1: Xircom: port 0x300, irq 3, hwaddr 00:10:A4:9A:50:76 > > tsmcyf@lildeb:~$ > > Unreliable. dmesg reads from an 8k circular buffer, so machines > which have long uptimes or use certain kernel functions will lose > information from it. (One of my servers uses the kernel RAID > implementation. 6 RAID devices and each one of them spews a > bazillion lines of messages as it starts up. By the time the system > finishes booting, dmesg shows _nothing_ except RAID trivia.) > Yea, yea. dmesg, /var/log/dmesg, syslog, whatever. You know what I mean. From nate at techie.com Fri Sep 7 13:46:13 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] learning linux-ideas?.sdm In-Reply-To: <01090713082901.01833@geezer>; from jack@jacku.com on Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 01:08:29PM -0500 References: <20010907.14435300@linwin.mshome.net> <20010907103306.A1355@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <01090713082901.01833@geezer> Message-ID: <20010907134613.A10794@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 01:08:29PM -0500, Jack Ungerleider wrote: > On Friday 07 September 2001 10:33, you wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 02:43:53PM +0000, Rick Engebretson wrote: > > > I really like how Borland rebuilt C++ to make it more readable. > > > > You don't remember Turbo Pascal, do you? All Delphi's Object Pascal is > > is Turbo Pascal with improved classes and exceptions. C++ has nothing > > to do with it. Also remember that Delphi came before C++ Builder. > > Not only do I remember Turbo Pascal, I remember Alice. 8^) > True Delphi came before C++ Builder, but Turbo C++ was out long before > Delphi. ;-) While that may be true, it's irrelevant. The real strength of Delphi was VCL, which Turbo C++ didn't have. And since you brought it up, I did some digging[1]. Turbo Pascal 3.0 1985 Turbo C 1.0 1987 Turbo C++ 1.0 1990 Delphi 1.0 1995 C++ Builder 1.0 1997 I don't remember Alice. I started with Turbo Pascal 5.5, which probably was the best place I could have started. This is, of course, after excluding any version of BASIC. :) Nate [1] http://www.emsps.com/oldtools/borver.htm From sraun at fireopal.org Fri Sep 7 13:54:05 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mapping to samba drive from windows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010907135405.C20652@iaxs.net> On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 12:44:23PM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > On 7 Sep 2001, Dave Sherman wrote: > > Unfortunately, Windows 98 will *only* use the currently logged-in user/password > > for authentication. You need NT Workstation/Win2kPro or better to be able to > > properly specify multiple users/passwords for authentication. > > There _is_ actually a way to switch the username -- I just don't remember > how. NET USE drive: \\server\share user password I think. The DOS boot floppy I grabbed this off of actually uses: NET USE drive: \\server\share user and then had a USER.PWL that has the password stored in it. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From amy at real-time.com Fri Sep 7 13:53:20 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mapping to samba drive from windows In-Reply-To: <20010907135405.C20652@iaxs.net>; from sraun@fireopal.org on Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 01:54:05PM -0500 References: <20010907135405.C20652@iaxs.net> Message-ID: <20010907135320.T21158@real-time.com> On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 01:54:05PM -0500, Scott Raun (sraun@fireopal.org) wrote: > > NET USE drive: \\server\share user password > > I think. The DOS boot floppy I grabbed this off of actually uses: I tested the above - received error saying "The syntax is incorrect." > NET USE drive: \\server\share user > > and then had a USER.PWL that has the password stored in it. I tested the above - received "Error: 67: the shared directory cannot be found. Make sure you have specified the name correctly...blah blah balh" -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From natecars at real-time.com Fri Sep 7 14:23:26 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (messy) writeup of getting infrared working on a vaio with a nokia phone In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Brian wrote: > Yippe skippy!! I've been wanting to get the IR port working this way and > it's in my phone's docs how to do it under 'doze. > > Does anyone have an idea of how many Nokias have the built in > modems? AFAIK you can get a DL-3 cable and make any Nokia phone dial out, > and a lot of them have IR ports. I have friends who are buying cell > modems and $70 cables and all sorts of fun stuff, all for a 9600 (at > best) speed. I've got a 8290, which has an integrated modem. From fertch at mninter.net Fri Sep 7 14:40:13 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slack 8 (was Re: Bye-bye Caldera In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01090714401307.00226@bleys> On Friday 07 September 2001 13:42, you wrote: > My experience was similar, but my CD's did eventually arrive. It > looks like they are slowly working through a long list of orders. I > don't think they have a lot of infrastructure, shipping staff, > etc. now. That was lost with the split from Walnut Creek. > Any idea of where I can check on my order status? As to being understaffed, that's kind of the drawback to Slackware. Things take a long time to get rolling and finalized. Look at how long it took for Slack to get a 2.4 kernel compared to the other distro's. However, I do like the distro. Nice, clean, simple. However, at times getting things to work takes time due to lack of knowledge on my part. -- Shawn "Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do." -- Bruce Lee From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Sep 7 14:50:03 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mapping to samba drive from windows In-Reply-To: <20010907135405.C20652@iaxs.net> Message-ID: If all else fails you could make a user.map on your samba server to map your windows username to your unix username. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From natecars at real-time.com Fri Sep 7 14:51:12 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (messy) writeup of getting infrared working on a vaio with a nokia phone In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Brian wrote: > Yippe skippy!! I've been wanting to get the IR port working this way and > it's in my phone's docs how to do it under 'doze. > > Does anyone have an idea of how many Nokias have the built in > modems? AFAIK you can get a DL-3 cable and make any Nokia phone dial out, > and a lot of them have IR ports. I have friends who are buying cell > modems and $70 cables and all sorts of fun stuff, all for a 9600 (at > best) speed. From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Sep 7 14:56:40 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mapping to samba drive from windows In-Reply-To: <20010907135320.T21158@real-time.com>; from amy@real-time.com on Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 01:53:20PM -0500 References: <20010907135405.C20652@iaxs.net> <20010907135320.T21158@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010907145640.A3622@llama.sistina.com> On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 01:53:20PM -0500, Amy Tanner wrote: >> NET USE drive: \\server\share user Here's what I have in my NT logon script for samba 2.2 NET USE I: \\SAMBA2\Drivers^M the ^M is crucial, the password get's passed in from my domain logon. Didn't follow the thread so my answer could be way off, just thought I'd toss this out. >> >> and then had a USER.PWL that has the password stored in it. > >I tested the above - received "Error: 67: the shared directory cannot >be found. Make sure you have specified the name correctly...blah blah balh" > >-- >Amy Tanner >amy@real-time.com >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. What's the difference between root and God ? God doesn't think that he is root. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010907/1c438970/attachment.pgp From chuckeal at mediaone.net Fri Sep 7 15:03:45 2001 From: chuckeal at mediaone.net (Chuck Licha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Logitech optical mouse Message-ID: <01090715034500.01043@localhost.localdomain> Can anyone out there tell a new Linux user if a Logitech optical mouse will work with R.H. 7.1? THX Chuck Licha From wilson at visi.com Fri Sep 7 15:20:42 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Logitech optical mouse In-Reply-To: <01090715034500.01043@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Chuck Licha wrote: > Can anyone out there tell a new Linux user if a Logitech optical mouse will > work with R.H. 7.1? No problem. I've got one myself, but I'm using the PS/2 adaptor right now until I figure out USB. Use the "imps/2" protocol in your XF86Config-4 file. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Sep 7 15:20:46 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIC kernel modules In-Reply-To: <3B98F3E7.57DC2EE6@securecomputing.com> References: <3B98F3E7.57DC2EE6@securecomputing.com> Message-ID: <20010907152046.55d1caa0.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Jesse Erdmann wrote: > > Does anyone know a way to programtically tell what module a NIC is > using, or alternatively find out which NICs are using a particular > module? Hmm.. Another method would be to compare the output of `ifconfig' to the output of `lspci -v' (which interprets the gobbledygook in /proc/bus/pci) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Change is inevitable -- / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ except from vending \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) machines. 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The system bios is detecting > is as IRQ 5 as well. when I cat /proc/interrupts it's not showing that > IRQ 5 is in use? This is even after I did a set serial of /dev/ttyS3 to > IRQ of 5. Have you checked what I/O address Windows is using? If the IRQ is weird, the ioaddr is probably weird too. ISA serial devices usually use 0x3f8, 0x2f8, 0x3e8, 0x2e8, IIRC.. If you get anything greater than 0x1000, you probably have a PCI Winmodem (sucks to be you ;-) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ What's another word for / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Thesaurus? \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The other reports made it sound like they were getting out of the case altogether, which doesn't appear to be true after reading this article. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ War doesn't determine / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ who's right, just who's \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) left. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010907/95f888e4/attachment.pgp From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Sep 7 15:59:06 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Massworks ID-75 USB touchscreen Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDE83@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Ok, this is one of the coolest things I've ever seen. And it has linux drivers. 5.1" Color FST LCD, touch screen, and connects via USB. http://www.massworks.com Maybe my dream of having a sweet lcd interface in the dash of my car to control an MP3/Vorbis player, radio card, and GPS will finally come true. It would make a nice coffee table mounted control unit for a "media" box for your entertainment system too. From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Sep 7 16:08:06 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Logitech optical mouse In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Not sure what kernel RedHat 7.1 runs, but yes. They do work. Look in linux/Documentation/usb/input.txt for setup info, you often have to create the device (unless you have devfs enabled or your distro is just nice like that and does it for you.) Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From josh at greentechnologist.org Fri Sep 7 16:10:50 2001 From: josh at greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [It_union] DMCA and recent viruses (fwd) Message-ID: I thought this guy's quote about the DMCA, CodeRed and the FBI was so interesting that I just had to forward the message on. You'll love it. And does anyone have information on reverse engineered CodeRed? Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free speech is simply staggering." - someone else ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 16:42:52 -0400 From: David Somner To: IT Union Subject: [It_union] DMCA and recent viruses Jeff Lane, You are totally correct - the DMCA does expressly prohibit what the BSA says you can do. It's the biggest crock of shit ever designed. Recently I found out something interesting about the Code Red and SirCam "worms/viruses". I found out where they originated from by doing a little bit of tracking reverse engineering. I contacted the FBI. They told me to destroy everything I had on it and keep my mouth shut. If I even talk about who actually created the viruses and WHY they were REALLY created, I could go to jail, rather than having some real criminal charges being bought against a certain computer software manufacturer for purposfuly selling software that containes viruses designed to allow the company back door access to every computer in the world with it's software installed on it. The DMCA has to go... NOW... it has given the wrong types of people unprecedented power to do whatever they want. Remember when the US CEO of Sony said that Sony was working on software that could invade a person's computer, find out if you had any music on it from Sony, and then shut that computer down, deny it total access to the internet if they wanted to, from anywhere in the world? I wonder if Sony implemented that... but guess what, you can't decode a CD to see if that software is installed on it, and you can't reverse-hack their website to see if they are secretly writing files to your hard drive without your knowledge. You would be in jail in seconds... Heh - just had a thought - with the DMCA, the criminals are the ones with good thoughts in mind, and the "good" guys just want to rape everyone any way they can just because they can. * DOWN WITH THE DMCA! * VIOLATE THE CORRUPT! * THE NEXT REVOLUTION - FREEDOM OF IDEAS! * REMEMBER THE CONSTITUTION! * REMEMBER IT IS ILLEGAL TO PRODUCE AND PURCHASE A COPY OF THE CONSTITUTION THAT HAS NOT BEEN PRINTED BY THE U.S. GOVERNMENT AND HAS A SPECIAL STAMP ON IT! (HAVE YOU NOTICED THAT NEW SCHOOLBOOKS DO NOT HAVE A WRITTEN COPY OF THE CONSTITUTION IN THEM ANYMORE?) * REMEMBER THAT IT IS ILLEGAL FOR A PRIVATE CITIZEN TO OWN ANY OF THE EXISTING COPIES OF THE CONSTITUTION OR THE BILL OF RIGHTS! * REMEMBER THAT THE U.S. SUPREME COURT HAS ISSUED WAVERS TO "LAW ENFORCEMENT" TO EVERY PART OF THE CONSTITUTION AND BILL OF RIGHTS! * YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS! * SMILE - OR THE THOUGHT POLICE WILL GET YOU! --Dave _______________________________________________ It_union mailing list It_union@lists.microshaft.org http://lists.microshaft.org/mailman/listinfo/it_union From florin at iucha.net Fri Sep 7 16:14:34 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] learning linux-ideas?.sdm In-Reply-To: <20010907134613.A10794@candle.mn.mediaone.net>; from nate@techie.com on Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 01:46:13PM -0500 References: <20010907.14435300@linwin.mshome.net> <20010907103306.A1355@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <01090713082901.01833@geezer> <20010907134613.A10794@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20010907161434.A22084@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 01:46:13PM -0500, Nate Straz wrote: > I don't remember Alice. I started with Turbo Pascal 5.5, which probably > was the best place I could have started. This is, of course, after > excluding any version of BASIC. :) Pascal is a crappy language to start learning programmin. It is a "bondage and discipline" language taken to the extreme. Poor Blaise is still spinning :( I have learned Pascal in college, two years after I learned C and boy was it painfull... florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From natecars at real-time.com Fri Sep 7 16:17:16 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Logitech optical mouse In-Reply-To: <01090715034500.01043@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Chuck Licha wrote: > Can anyone out there tell a new Linux user if a Logitech optical mouse will > work with R.H. 7.1? PS/2, no problem for sure. USB should work, but not sure in RH7.1. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jesse_erdmann at securecomputing.com Fri Sep 7 16:25:11 2001 From: jesse_erdmann at securecomputing.com (Jesse Erdmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIC kernel modules References: <3B98F3E7.57DC2EE6@securecomputing.com> <20010907152046.55d1caa0.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3B993B37.72528113@securecomputing.com> Hey all, Thanks for all the suggestions. In the end I've come up with a good enough for now solution. For those that are curious, here's what I plan to do to produce a list of cards using the driver of interest. modprobe -c | grep *driver* | sed s/"alias "/""/g | sed s/" *driver*"/""/g The output looks like this... eth0 eth2 -- Jesse Erdmann Engineer Secure Computing Corp. From esper at sherohman.org Fri Sep 7 16:23:49 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] learning linux-ideas?.sdm In-Reply-To: <20010907161434.A22084@beaver.iucha.org>; from florin@iucha.net on Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 04:14:34PM -0500 References: <20010907.14435300@linwin.mshome.net> <20010907103306.A1355@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <01090713082901.01833@geezer> <20010907134613.A10794@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <20010907161434.A22084@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010907162349.D30653@sherohman.org> On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 04:14:34PM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > Pascal is a crappy language to start learning programmin. It is a "bondage and > discipline" language taken to the extreme. Poor Blaise is still spinning :( > > I have learned Pascal in college, two years after I learned C and boy was it > painfull... I bet you learned 'pure' pascal, didn't you? Borland pascals are heavily extended and, IMO, have moved beyond the B&D tendencies of the language's pure form to become Real Languages. (Yes, they even have pointers...) -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From blayer at qwest.net Fri Sep 7 16:28:07 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux on the Wyse Winterm 2310 In-Reply-To: <3B98FC7A.48AF8A40@eetc.com> References: <20010907085447.0af32028.blayer@qwest.net> <3B98FC7A.48AF8A40@eetc.com> Message-ID: <20010907162807.54cc7f16.blayer@qwest.net> On or about Fri, 07 Sep 2001 11:58:03 -0500 Simeon Johnston reportedly said... > I have/had several of these winterms. Could you keep me posted about > this? I would love to be able to boot linux. Certainly will. But since you mention, might you be able to loan to me one of the power supply bricks? I'd rather not have to fake the supply, if a real one is available for testing in the meantime... -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From bradyh at bitstream.net Fri Sep 7 16:38:41 2001 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Logitech optical mouse In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <999898721.20247.67.camel@localhost.localdomain> I love mine but I just can't get the wheel to work using the ps/2. When I hook it up to the USB port it doesn't even light up which I assume means my USB is broken. Brady > On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Chuck Licha wrote: > > Can anyone out there tell a new Linux user if a Logitech optical mouse will > > work with R.H. 7.1? > > PS/2, no problem for sure. > > USB should work, but not sure in RH7.1. > From webmaster at aardvarko.com Fri Sep 7 16:53:31 2001 From: webmaster at aardvarko.com (aardvarko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mapping to samba drive from windows In-Reply-To: <20010907130002.Q21158@real-time.com> Message-ID: > > Can you specify the username from the command prompt with a net > use command? I'm just guessing since all I have available to me > right now is NT. > > Not that I can see from looking at the help for the net use command. net use \\puter\share /user:\\computername\user /persistent:yes password -- -aardvarko http://aardvarko.com webmaster at aardvarko dot com > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Amy Tanner > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 13:00 > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] mapping to samba drive from windows From florin at iucha.net Fri Sep 7 17:21:18 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] learning linux-ideas?.sdm In-Reply-To: <20010907162349.D30653@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 04:23:49PM -0500 References: <20010907.14435300@linwin.mshome.net> <20010907103306.A1355@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <01090713082901.01833@geezer> <20010907134613.A10794@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <20010907161434.A22084@beaver.iucha.org> <20010907162349.D30653@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20010907172118.B22084@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 04:23:49PM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 04:14:34PM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > > Pascal is a crappy language to start learning programmin. It is a "bondage and > > discipline" language taken to the extreme. Poor Blaise is still spinning :( > > > > I have learned Pascal in college, two years after I learned C and boy was it > > painfull... > > I bet you learned 'pure' pascal, didn't you? Borland pascals are > heavily extended and, IMO, have moved beyond the B&D tendencies of > the language's pure form to become Real Languages. (Yes, they even > have pointers...) You lost :) It was Turbo Pascal 5.5... And don't get me started on pointer in Pascal or I/O in Pascal... florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From thomas at stderr.net Fri Sep 7 17:45:20 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] learning linux-ideas?.sdm In-Reply-To: <20010907172118.B22084@beaver.iucha.org>; from florin@iucha.net on Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 05:21:18PM -0500 References: <20010907.14435300@linwin.mshome.net> <20010907103306.A1355@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <01090713082901.01833@geezer> <20010907134613.A10794@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <20010907161434.A22084@beaver.iucha.org> <20010907162349.D30653@sherohman.org> <20010907172118.B22084@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010908004520.H77737@io.stderr.net> On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 05:21:18PM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 04:23:49PM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 04:14:34PM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > Pascal is a crappy language to start learning programmin. It is a "bondage and > > > discipline" language taken to the extreme. Poor Blaise is still spinning :( > > > > > > I have learned Pascal in college, two years after I learned C and boy was it > > > painfull... > > > > I bet you learned 'pure' pascal, didn't you? Borland pascals are > > heavily extended and, IMO, have moved beyond the B&D tendencies of > > the language's pure form to become Real Languages. (Yes, they even > > have pointers...) > > You lost :) It was Turbo Pascal 5.5... Turbo Pascal was the first language I taught myself (from reading and testing) when I got my first x86 machine 12 years ago.. Pretty funny, can't remember a /thing/ about it anymore. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From wilson at visi.com Fri Sep 7 17:48:22 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Logitech optical mouse In-Reply-To: <999898721.20247.67.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 7 Sep 2001, Brady Hegberg wrote: > I love mine but I just can't get the wheel to work using the ps/2. Use "imps/2" in your XF86Config-4 file instead of "ps/2". -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From nate at techie.com Fri Sep 7 17:55:05 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Pascal etc In-Reply-To: <20010907172118.B22084@beaver.iucha.org>; from florin@iucha.net on Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 05:21:18PM -0500 References: <20010907.14435300@linwin.mshome.net> <20010907103306.A1355@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <01090713082901.01833@geezer> <20010907134613.A10794@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <20010907161434.A22084@beaver.iucha.org> <20010907162349.D30653@sherohman.org> <20010907172118.B22084@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010907175504.A2397@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 05:21:18PM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > And don't get me started on pointer in Pascal or I/O in Pascal... What's wrong with pointers in Pascal? Pascal was my first exposure to pointers and I think it made the transition into C easy. Sure, it took be a while to get the hang of pointers and trees and linked lists, but I was only 16 at the time. I didn't think there was anything wrong with I/O in TP. It has been quite a number of years since I did anything with I/O in TP. What was your problem exactly? The one thing I miss the most about Pascal and the Pascal community is monthly issues of SWAG. That's the SourceWare Archival Group's Pascal snippet libraries. I would always grab it and compile all the new graphics hacks to see what was new a cool. Ah the old days of Pascal and BBSes. Nate From markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net Fri Sep 7 18:05:03 2001 From: markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Text mode quake for windows. References: <01090708594102.00226@bleys> Message-ID: <001101c137f1$8a341680$1e02a8c0@zippy> Why? Why not! More proof that there are people with way to much time on their hands! http://webpages.mr.net/bobz/ttyquake/ Mark Browne From florin at iucha.net Fri Sep 7 18:39:40 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Pascal etc In-Reply-To: <20010907175504.A2397@candle.mn.mediaone.net>; from nate@techie.com on Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 05:55:05PM -0500 References: <20010907.14435300@linwin.mshome.net> <20010907103306.A1355@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <01090713082901.01833@geezer> <20010907134613.A10794@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <20010907161434.A22084@beaver.iucha.org> <20010907162349.D30653@sherohman.org> <20010907172118.B22084@beaver.iucha.org> <20010907175504.A2397@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20010907183940.C22084@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 05:55:05PM -0500, Nate Straz wrote: > On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 05:21:18PM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > > And don't get me started on pointer in Pascal or I/O in Pascal... > Most of my problems come from knowing and loving C. I approached Pascal open-harted. > > What's wrong with pointers in Pascal? Pascal was my first exposure to > pointers and I think it made the transition into C easy. Sure, it took > be a while to get the hang of pointers and trees and linked lists, but I > was only 16 at the time. They are more like references: you can't add constants to pointers, and you can't do a lot of wizardries. And "string"? Oh, please... Strings of at most 255 chars. And conversion between chars and integers were a pain - "ord" / "chr". > I didn't think there was anything wrong with I/O in TP. It has been > quite a number of years since I did anything with I/O in TP. What was > your problem exactly? > After the logical "open" / "close" / "read" / "write" from the C library, "Assign"/"Reset" and what read and write were called made me puke. > The one thing I miss the most about Pascal and the Pascal community is > monthly issues of SWAG. That's the SourceWare Archival Group's Pascal > snippet libraries. I would always grab it and compile all the new > graphics hacks to see what was new a cool. Ah the old days of Pascal > and BBSes. I don't have any knowledge about SWAG... florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From scottdagastino at yahoo.com Thu Sep 6 21:55:36 2001 From: scottdagastino at yahoo.com (Scott Dagastino) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Java Plugin In-Reply-To: <3B982592.1010204@mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20010907025536.21339.qmail@web9605.mail.yahoo.com> go to http://java.sun.com and get the plugin there the lastest version should be 131 --- Matthew LaBerge wrote: > Hey all, > > This is probably a dumb question and probably an > easy one to answer. > I'm using Mozilla 0.9.3 on Mandrake 8.0 and can't > figure out where to > get a java plugin. The website I'm trying to view > java stuff on is > http://www.hpiracing.com I don't know a thing about > java and if there > are different versions or whatever. Any help is > appreciated > > Matthew LaBerge > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com From dieman at ringworld.org Fri Sep 7 19:16:11 2001 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] selling wireless gear Message-ID: <20010907191610.C24306@ringworld.org> Saw a new toy i want. Heres what im selling: Apple Airport AP: $250 Lucent Silver card: $80 Cisco 340 card (slightly broken plastic, but still very useable, 128bit WEP, future 802.1x support. My card of choice): $100 Any takers? -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From tanner at real-time.com Fri Sep 7 19:24:34 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bye-bye Caldera In-Reply-To: ; from doug@northlandstudios.com on Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 12:16:36AM -0500 References: <20010906224016.C22130@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010907192434.G18344@real-time.com> Quoting Doug (doug@northlandstudios.com): > I think another problem is that nobody is aggressively selling linux to > large OEM's, on any level (am I wrong here?). Sure IBM is dumping $1 billion > into it, but even IBM only has a small handful of machines they offer it on. > Dell tried it and dropped it because of lack of interest(their lack of > marketing sure didn't help though). And compare that to M$ spending $1 > billion on marketing winXP alone. Actually, Linux runs on a large number of IBM machines. The goal is to get it to run on all machines. I believe Dell dump linux on the desktop models only. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jh at sgi.com Fri Sep 7 19:32:19 2001 From: jh at sgi.com (John Hesterberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux as router In-Reply-To: <003001c136be$d8d4dec0$a344a43f@xtratyme.com>; from ray@lctn.k12.mn.us on Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 05:29:44AM -0500 References: <003001c136be$d8d4dec0$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> Message-ID: <20010907193219.A30861@sgi.com> I've used both firestarter and shorewall with RH 7.1, and liked both. I don't remember if firestarter does the masq stuff, but shorewall definitely does. John On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 05:29:44AM -0500, Raymond Norton wrote: > Presently I use a wireless ISP who assigns my IP by the MAC of my nic. I have just started working with Linux Redhat 7.x and had to install Winroute on my PC so the Linux box could get Internet. The program is not running stable on my Win98 workstation, so I would like to reverse the roles, and put the nic in my Linux box, and have it work as a router with NAT capabilities so my Win98 workstation can get Internet through Linux, instead. Is there a program to run, or a way to configure Linux to do this? If so, I would need specifics. > > > Thanks in advance > > > Raymond From sos at zjod.net Fri Sep 7 19:50:38 2001 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Pascal etc In-Reply-To: <20010907183940.C22084@beaver.iucha.org> from "Florin Iucha" at Sep 07, 2001 06:39:40 PM Message-ID: <200109080050.TAA13271@zjod.net> Sorry, folks... I can't let this one pass uncommented upon. Florin Iucha wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 05:55:05PM -0500, Nate Straz wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 05:21:18PM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > And don't get me started on pointer in Pascal or I/O in Pascal... > > > > Most of my problems come from knowing and loving C. I approached Pascal open-harted. Open hearted? Or openly hated? Muppet news flash for ya, Florin: The language wars are over. C won. Now everyone has to live with that victory, especially the C bigots, who _still_ can't get and/or keep their code running bug-free. > > > > What's wrong with pointers in Pascal? Pascal was my first exposure to > > pointers and I think it made the transition into C easy. Sure, it took > > be a while to get the hang of pointers and trees and linked lists, but I > > was only 16 at the time. > > They are more like references: you can't add constants to pointers, and you > can't do a lot of wizardries. Most of which is the source of countless trouble. You're leaving out nice stuff like full type checking, full range checking, full pointer checking... All the stuff that basically let you write 1000 lines of "production quality" code a day if you put your mind to it. > And "string"? Oh, please... Strings of at most 255 chars. And conversion between > chars and integers were a pain - "ord" / "chr". In substandard implementations, yes, strings were limited on 255 chars in length. Most decent implementations (read: Not Borland) did a better job with strings than that. The last Pascal compiler I worked on (Cray's) supported strings of any length in the range [0..4294967295] (i.e.: up to (2^32)-1 characters). Most folks _still_ don't have that much memory. Had the implementors of AT&T's Portable C instead chosen to implement Pascal-style character strings (a length field + max length field + a packed array of characters), 90+% of all U*ix security problems due to buffer overruns would _NEVER_ been possible in the first place... they'd have all become run-time errors instead of security holes. Oh yeah... and the oft' used "strlen' function would be reduced to a single memory reference, too. > > I didn't think there was anything wrong with I/O in TP. It has been > > quite a number of years since I did anything with I/O in TP. What was > > your problem exactly? > > > > After the logical "open" / "close" / "read" / "write" from the C library, > "Assign"/"Reset" and what read and write were called made me puke. Again, in substandard implementations (read: Borland). Most good Unix-based implementations also had open/close/read/write/yadda/yadda/yadda. Dec Pascal from Digital^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Compaq^H^H^H^H^H^H H.P.(for both the Vax and the Alpha under Digital Unix) still does. > > The one thing I miss the most about Pascal and the Pascal community is > > monthly issues of SWAG. That's the SourceWare Archival Group's Pascal > > snippet libraries. I would always grab it and compile all the new > > graphics hacks to see what was new a cool. Ah the old days of Pascal > > and BBSes. > > I don't have any knowledge about SWAG... > > florin Borland's implementation of Pascal was so poor, it basically killed the language. Maybe that was the real intent all along. -S (a compiler guy who's also a former X3J9/IEEE/ISO Pascal committee member) From tanner at real-time.com Fri Sep 7 19:50:46 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Reporting software? In-Reply-To: ; from kethry@winternet.com on Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 10:25:53AM -0500 References: <20010907100552.C7615@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010907195046.H18344@real-time.com> Quoting Liz Burke-Scovill (kethry@winternet.com): > So now that I finally get to play with a real sizd box at work to test our > application on *grin* - one of the biggest limitations from us moving (or > rather allowing for a complete move to linux) wholehog to linux is going > to be reporting capabilities. As it stands right now, all of our reporting > is handled via Crystal Reports - limitations yes, widely found yes, what I > want for a linux environment? definitely no, considering crystal doesn't > run on linux....that being the case, what are other options within linux? Whatever you find, please share with the list. The whole report generating thing is a pain in the butt for application developers under linux. I've been using FOP (http://xml.apache.org). It's powerful, it's flexible, it's a beast with wings and fangs! -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From clay at fandre.com Fri Sep 7 20:30:22 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Text mode quake for windows. In-Reply-To: <001101c137f1$8a341680$1e02a8c0@zippy> References: <01090708594102.00226@bleys> <001101c137f1$8a341680$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: <20010907203022.B19741@fandre.com> Where have you been? This came out a few years ago. But you're right, the people that write this stuff have way too much free time. I wish I could borrow some from them... On Fri, 07 Sep 2001, Mark Browne wrote: > Why? > Why not! > > More proof that there are people with way to much time on their hands! > > http://webpages.mr.net/bobz/ttyquake/ > > Mark Browne > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Sep 7 20:41:16 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Text mode quake for windows. In-Reply-To: <20010907203022.B19741@fandre.com> References: <01090708594102.00226@bleys> <001101c137f1$8a341680$1e02a8c0@zippy> <20010907203022.B19741@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010907204116.0c8da1f4.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Clay Fandre wrote: > > Where have you been? This came out a few years ago. But you're right, > the people that write this stuff have way too much free time. I wish I > could borrow some from them... Heh.. Not only did they waste time on it, they wasted time putting it into a library, so lots of programs can output to text mode like that. I think the `mplayer' media player can even output like that.. I imagine it makes watching the Matrix a little more, uh, authentic? -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Don't confuse me with the / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ facts. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010907/8cf82ae1/attachment.pgp From chrome at real-time.com Fri Sep 7 21:20:45 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Backup In-Reply-To: <20010906154412.E31878@beaver.iucha.org>; from florin@iucha.net on Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 03:44:12PM -0500 References: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E066D852E@msgmsp15.norwest.com> <20010906154412.E31878@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010907212040.C10484@real-time.com> > Put a [xfs]dump in cron. from what I've heard, dump may be dangerous on linux 2.4 kernels. something to do with how buffers and raw devices are handled now, as opposed to how they used to be. I've heard of FS corruption due to dump (even on a supposedly real-only FS) (something to do with dump reading something, which then gets cached, and then somehow the cache then being written out... it was on lwn.net a few months ago; but I can't find it right now). in any case, it may be dangerous to use dump on a mounted filesystem; since it reads the raw device, as opposed to what the kernel tells all the other programs the filesystem looks like. you may not get a completely clean backup. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Fri Sep 7 21:50:26 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Reporting software? In-Reply-To: <01090713175202.01833@geezer>; from jack@jacku.com on Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 01:17:52PM -0500 References: <01090713175202.01833@geezer> Message-ID: <20010907215026.A10962@real-time.com> here's a package that claims to be similar to Crystal Reports... however, it's written in Ruby, and is at v0.0.2; so the long term viability of it is still very up in the air. :) http://www.io.com/~jimm/downloads/datavision/ Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From lbehrens at boolion.com Fri Sep 7 21:57:14 2001 From: lbehrens at boolion.com (Lee J. Behrens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Pascal etc Message-ID: What the heck, I'll toss in my two cents' worth.... BTW, this applies the Borland Object Pascal of today, and most of this applies as far back as 1995. Pointers: They are true pointers--not just references. Add constants to pointers: Yep. Max string length: 0..4GB - 1 Convert between short string (max length 255), string (max len 4GB - 1), and null-terminated strings: Yes, usually completely automatic. Typically not automatic only if not safe to do so. Open/Close/Read/ReadLn/Write/WriteLn/Assign/Reset/Rewrite: Still there, if you want/need them. Or you can use streams instead. >Borland's implementation of Pascal was so poor, it basically killed the >language. Maybe that was the real intent all along. I'm not sure what burned you so bad on the language. Anyway, I'd have to disagree: Borland's implementation is still quite alive and well. I can't say that about most of the other flavors, no matter what the platform. Most new implementations seem to use Borland's as the baseline to emulate. Lee Behrens From rsinland at gvtel.com Fri Sep 7 23:38:51 2001 From: rsinland at gvtel.com (Robert Sinland) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT Rebates References: Message-ID: <3B99A0DB.15D10117@gvtel.com> Do any of you recall back in Feb of this year when Office Max had a deal on CD-R's? Prime Peripherals 200 pak spindle etc, $59.99 - 14.99 in store discount - 45.00 rebate = Free.. Or something like that. My sales reciept doesn't say what the actual rebate should have been, and I mailed the rest of the stuff away back in feb.. Ring a bell with anyone? Still waiting to see that rebate check after sending in all the required info many months ago. I seem to recall waiting a few months before I ever saw a check from Iomega when I bought a zip drive years back, but at least they did eventually send one. Just wondering if anyone else has had problems collecting rebates. RS From fertch at mninter.net Fri Sep 7 23:50:46 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Looking for parts Message-ID: <01090723504601.00382@bleys> I didn't really see anything on the website, because I couldn't get to it. So, I'm asking here. I'm looking for the following: 1) Socket 7 processor 166 to a 200 preferably 2) Either a 10M ISA nic card for a server (it's going into an old SCO server Intel platform) or a BNC to RJ-45 adapter. Thanks. -- Shawn "Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do." -- Bruce Lee From florin at iucha.net Sat Sep 8 02:03:12 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Pascal etc In-Reply-To: <200109080050.TAA13271@zjod.net>; from sos@zjod.net on Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 07:50:38PM -0500 References: <20010907183940.C22084@beaver.iucha.org> <200109080050.TAA13271@zjod.net> Message-ID: <20010908020312.A12064@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 07:50:38PM -0500, Steve Siegfried wrote: > > Sorry, folks... I can't let this one pass uncommented upon. > > Florin Iucha wrote: > > > > On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 05:55:05PM -0500, Nate Straz wrote: > > > On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 05:21:18PM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > > And don't get me started on pointer in Pascal or I/O in Pascal... > > > > > > > Most of my problems come from knowing and loving C. I approached Pascal open-harted. > > Open hearted? Or openly hated? I was truly curious about Pascal then, the way I was truly curious about C two years before, Perl two years ago, Python now... I am a curious person :) > Muppet news flash for ya, Florin: The > language wars are over. C won. Now everyone has to live with that victory, > especially the C bigots, who _still_ can't get and/or keep their code > running bug-free. That's not the fault of the language, as of people. You cannot invent a fool-proof language, a language that any fool can write only correct programs. All the programming languages have equal expressing power (and equivalent to Turing machines) so the only differences are in the quality of the implementation and the "conveniences"... All of them can lock a machine without letting you know :) You cannot invent the "universal-convenient" language either, because problems are different and people way of thinking are different. > > They are more like references: you can't add constants to pointers, and you > > can't do a lot of wizardries. > > Most of which is the source of countless trouble. Knives and scissors too. And also they are usefull tools in the hands of a craftsman. > You're leaving out nice > stuff like full type checking, full range checking, full pointer checking... And a certain runtime overhead I might need to dispense of sometimes. You can verify ranges in C, you can verify pointers for null in C. I am still debugging now _JAVA_ code that throws NullPointerException left and right because people do not check for null. Instead of SIGSEGV I get a nicely packaged exception: what is the difference? You still have to check for null and still have to catch somewhere the exception. > All the stuff that basically let you write 1000 lines of "production > quality" code a day if you put your mind to it. There is _no_ language that enforces correct programs. It can't be. > > And "string"? Oh, please... Strings of at most 255 chars. And conversion between > > chars and integers were a pain - "ord" / "chr". > > In substandard implementations, yes, strings were limited on 255 chars in > length. Most decent implementations (read: Not Borland) did a better job > with strings than that. The last Pascal compiler I worked on (Cray's) > supported strings of any length in the range [0..4294967295] (i.e.: up to > (2^32)-1 characters). Most folks _still_ don't have that much memory. We were talking about Turbo Pascal. It had to run on 286 with 640k memory. It did that well. > Had the implementors of AT&T's Portable C instead chosen to implement > Pascal-style character strings (a length field + max length field + a packed > array of characters), The implementors of the original C implemented as less features possible so the compiler can be very simple. > 90+% of all U*ix security problems due to buffer > overruns would _NEVER_ been possible in the first place... they'd have all > become run-time errors instead of security holes. Oh yeah... and the oft' > used "strlen' function would be reduced to a single memory reference, too. I won't get into that. That is sloppy programming in the first place. You know my argument when somebody praises me the virtues of "garbage collecting"? I ask - if the programmer can't be bothered to keep track of the references to the objects he created, what else can't he be bothered to keep track of? > > > I didn't think there was anything wrong with I/O in TP. It has been > > > quite a number of years since I did anything with I/O in TP. What was > > > your problem exactly? > > > > > > > After the logical "open" / "close" / "read" / "write" from the C library, > > "Assign"/"Reset" and what read and write were called made me puke. > > Again, in substandard implementations (read: Borland). Most good Unix-based > implementations also had open/close/read/write/yadda/yadda/yadda. Dec > Pascal from Digital^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Compaq^H^H^H^H^H^H H.P.(for both the Vax > and the Alpha under Digital Unix) still does. I went to college into Eastern Europe. We didn't have UNIX or Alphas there. Just a bunch of diskless 286 with a 386 as a server. Running DOS/Novell. Turbo Pascal/Turbo C was all you could get. > Borland's implementation of Pascal was so poor, it basically killed the > language. Maybe that was the real intent all along. Borland Pascal still lives in the mainstream due to Delphi... > -S > (a compiler guy who's also a former X3J9/IEEE/ISO Pascal committee member) My hat off to you, florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From florin at iucha.net Sat Sep 8 02:04:14 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Backup In-Reply-To: <20010907212040.C10484@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 09:20:45PM -0500 References: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E066D852E@msgmsp15.norwest.com> <20010906154412.E31878@beaver.iucha.org> <20010907212040.C10484@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010908020414.B12064@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 09:20:45PM -0500, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > Put a [xfs]dump in cron. > > from what I've heard, dump may be dangerous on linux 2.4 kernels. something > to do with how buffers and raw devices are handled now, as opposed to how they used to be. > I've heard of FS corruption due to dump (even on a supposedly real-only FS) > (something to do with dump reading something, which then gets cached, and > then somehow the cache then being written out... it was on lwn.net a few > months ago; but I can't find it right now). > > in any case, it may be dangerous to use dump on a mounted filesystem; since > it reads the raw device, as opposed to what the kernel tells all the other > programs the filesystem looks like. you may not get a completely clean > backup. You are talking about ext2/dump or xfs/xfsdump? florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Sat Sep 8 02:56:52 2001 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Looking for parts In-Reply-To: <01090723504601.00382@bleys> Message-ID: I think I should have both of those floating around here. I know I have a 200 in an incomplete atx setup. I think the drive bays are missing. Colin Kilbane From eng at pinenet.com Sat Sep 8 03:56:03 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Pascal etc Message-ID: <20010908.8560300@linwin.mshome.net> Fact is, all your Pascal comments are right (and appreciated); you speak from the perspective of experienced experts. But I'm not an expert. I began learning programming with a very different model in 1975 (and I was not 16 years old). Fortran and assembly language were used for number crunching and were better than the slide rule still required when I started college. Qbasic and Quick Basic on a PC (with video even) were remarkable advances. The explosion in software and packaging of huge programs into libraries is as much a management problem as a programming problem. What I like about Borland's OOP Pascal is the tree structure laid out from the start; the unit, the interface, the implementation, the end. All included declarations, procedures, etc. are similarly structured. I also like Borland's naming convention that simplifies management. If you like (and are good at) the terrific C language, you can link your compiled routines to Object Pascal. Calling the Windows or Linux API C libraries is native. Creating your own libraries is encouraged. Easily building huger applications with huge libraries of huge programs is a new model. Oh, for the good ol' slide rule days ;-( From blessed at xtratyme.com Sat Sep 8 06:38:10 2001 From: blessed at xtratyme.com (Raymond & Tami Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] nic card stopped working in Linux Message-ID: <001801c1385a$bd30f940$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> I pulled my nic from my widows box, put in my Linux box, so it would pick up an IP from my ISP. It would not find the DHCP server , so I statically assigned the info. It worked till I added a second nic, to be used as a router. Neither nic would work, and the link light stayed on even without a cable in it. I rebooted and it said the original nic was activated fine, but the second failed. I pulled the second nic out, rebooted, but the first nic would not go out on the net, even thought the boot up was fine. I pulled it out, put it back in windows, and it works fine. What should I be looking for? (I am a beginner) Thanks Raymond check out our Church's website at www.wolhutch.com live and past services on line -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010908/44b77a13/attachment.html From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Sat Sep 8 09:12:54 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] nic card stopped working in Linux In-Reply-To: <001801c1385a$bd30f940$a344a43f@xtratyme.com>; from blessed@xtratyme.com on Sat, Sep 08, 2001 at 06:38:10AM -0500 References: <001801c1385a$bd30f940$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> Message-ID: <20010908091254.A5314@trammell.dyndns.org> On Sat, Sep 08, 2001 at 06:38:10AM -0500, Raymond & Tami Norton wrote: > I pulled my nic from my widows box, put in my Linux box, so it > would pick up an IP from my ISP. It would not find the DHCP > server, so I statically assigned the info. It worked till I ... [snip] > What should I be looking for? (I am a beginner) Documentation? :-) -- If you don't look at the fnord, it can't get you. From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Sep 8 09:23:34 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] nic card stopped working in Linux In-Reply-To: <001801c1385a$bd30f940$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> References: <001801c1385a$bd30f940$a344a43f@xtratyme.com> Message-ID: <20010908092334.0d4e7be9.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "Raymond & Tami Norton" wrote: > > I pulled my nic from my widows box, put in my Linux box, so it would > pick up an IP from my ISP. It would not find the DHCP server , so I > statically assigned the info. It worked till I added a second nic, to be > used as a router. Neither nic would work, and the link light stayed on > even without a cable in it. I rebooted and it said the original nic was > activated fine, but the second failed. I pulled the second nic out, > rebooted, but the first nic would not go out on the net, even thought > the boot up was fine. I pulled it out, put it back in windows, and it > works fine. You might want to look at some of the diagnostic programs at http://www.scyld.com/diag/ -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Why do you have to / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ abbreviate abbreviate? \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Also check out: http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Ethernet-HOWTO-2.html#ss2.3 It has some information on dual-NIC setups in Linux. -- Michael Vieths Email: Foeclan@Winternet.com Web: http://www.geekbear.net Raymond & Tami Norton wrote: > */I pulled my nic from my widows box, put in my Linux box, so it would > pick up an IP from my ISP. It would not find the DHCP server , so I > statically assigned the info. It worked till I added a second nic, to be > used as a router. Neither nic would work, and the link light stayed on > even without a cable in it. I rebooted and it said the original nic was > activated fine, but the second failed. I pulled the second nic out, > rebooted, but the first nic would not go out on the net, even thought > the boot up was fine. I pulled it out, put it back in windows, and it > works fine. /* > From fertch at mninter.net Sat Sep 8 09:43:29 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4.x netforwarding Message-ID: <01090809432901.00573@bleys> Okay, having a blackage of the brain... ?I'm setting up my firewall/gateway machine using PPP, and I can't seem to remember what the 2.4.x equivalent of ipchains is. ? Someone? ?Anyone? -- Shawn "Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do." -- Bruce Lee From clay at fandre.com Sat Sep 8 10:00:34 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help with today's TCLUG meeting Message-ID: <20010908100034.A28014@fandre.com> It looks like I may not be able to attend the meeting today. I'm on call this weekend and I just got paged. Could someone please help me out and get the room opened up and get the meeting started? Here is the info on how to open up the room: You may pick up the keys for Room 3-180 in Lind Hall, Room 400 at the front desk. Please return the keys as soon as possible when you have finished, as we have many groups that reserve the room. Just say you are with the TCLUG. Please lock up and return the key after the meeting. Also please welcome Mark, who will be doing the Kylix demo. Thanks a million. -- Clay From nate at techie.com Sat Sep 8 09:59:17 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Backup In-Reply-To: <20010908020414.B12064@beaver.iucha.org>; from florin@iucha.net on Sat, Sep 08, 2001 at 02:04:14AM -0500 References: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E066D852E@msgmsp15.norwest.com> <20010906154412.E31878@beaver.iucha.org> <20010907212040.C10484@real-time.com> <20010908020414.B12064@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010908095917.C2397@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Sat, Sep 08, 2001 at 02:04:14AM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 09:20:45PM -0500, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > Put a [xfs]dump in cron. > > > > from what I've heard, dump may be dangerous on linux 2.4 kernels. something > > to do with how buffers and raw devices are handled now, as opposed > > to how they used to be. > > You are talking about ext2/dump or xfs/xfsdump? At the time Linus has a big problem with ext2/dump. I don't know if he still does, but I think Linus's problem was with dump producing bad output or not restoring stuff correctly. I haven't heard anything about the corruption on read-only file systems for quite some time. I think they were actually using dd as the example program for this. Hmm, I can't seem to find it in either kernel-traffic or my feeble search in linux-kernel. As far as I've tested, xfsdump is safe on i386. I don't see any bugs open on xfsdump in the bug tracking system. Nate From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Sat Sep 8 10:02:22 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4.x netforwarding In-Reply-To: <01090809432901.00573@bleys>; from fertch@mninter.net on Sat, Sep 08, 2001 at 09:43:29AM -0500 References: <01090809432901.00573@bleys> Message-ID: <20010908100222.A5607@trammell.dyndns.org> On Sat, Sep 08, 2001 at 09:43:29AM -0500, Shawn Fertch wrote: > > Okay, having a blackage of the brain... ?I'm setting up my firewall/gateway > machine using PPP, and I can't seem to remember what the 2.4.x equivalent of > ipchains is. ? > > Someone? ?Anyone? iptables. -- [M]en become civilized, not in proportion to their willingness to believe, but in proportion to their willingness to doubt. - H.L. Mencken From gmcdavid at winternet.com Sat Sep 8 10:05:38 2001 From: gmcdavid at winternet.com (Glenn McDavid) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4.x netforwardinges In-Reply-To: <01090809432901.00573@bleys> Message-ID: On Sat, 8 Sep 2001, Shawn Fertch wrote: > > Okay, having a blackage of the brain... I'm setting up my firewall/gateway > machine using PPP, and I can't seem to remember what the 2.4.x equivalent of > ipchains is. > > Someone? Anyone? iptables. You can still use ipchains. In Slack 8 you that by uncommenting the ipchains line in rc.modules. I am doing that until I get around to learning how to use iptables, and so far my firewall needs are simple enough for that to be adequate. Glenn McDavid mailto:gmcdavid@winternet.com http://www.winternet.com/~gmcdavid From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Sep 8 10:07:03 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2.4.x netforwarding In-Reply-To: <20010908100222.A5607@trammell.dyndns.org> References: <01090809432901.00573@bleys> <20010908100222.A5607@trammell.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20010908100703.3eb82615.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "John J. Trammell" wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 08, 2001 at 09:43:29AM -0500, Shawn Fertch wrote: > > > > Okay, having a blackage of the brain... ?I'm setting up my > firewall/gateway > > machine using PPP, and I can't seem to remember what the 2.4.x > equivalent of > > ipchains is. ? > > > > Someone? ?Anyone? > > iptables. Though you can still use ipchains on 2.4. 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Depends on the distribution. In Slackware, it's in the 'd' section, in a package called gcc_g77.tgz, which can be downloaded from: ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-current/slakware/d1/gcc_g77.tgz Dunno about the others. -- Michael Vieths Email: Foeclan@Winternet.com Web: http://www.geekbear.net Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > By the way does anyone know which package fortran is in? > From drew at usfamily.net Sat Sep 8 04:56:24 2001 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] by the way References: <01090809432901.00573@bleys> <20010908100222.A5607@trammell.dyndns.org> <20010908100703.3eb82615.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <3B99E725.A86D9823@usfamily.net> <3B9A3C32.9010308@winternet.com> Message-ID: <3B99EB48.172273EC@usfamily.net> thanks i found it, I run RedHat Michael Vieths wrote: > Err. Depends on the distribution. > > In Slackware, it's in the 'd' section, in a package called gcc_g77.tgz, > which can be downloaded from: > > ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-current/slakware/d1/gcc_g77.tgz > > Dunno about the others. > > -- > Michael Vieths > Email: Foeclan@Winternet.com > Web: http://www.geekbear.net > > Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > > By the way does anyone know which package fortran is in? > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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SGI Pro64 had support, but that project was stopped. :( Nate From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Sat Sep 8 12:55:21 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Looking for parts In-Reply-To: <01090723504601.00382@bleys> Message-ID: I have an AMD K-6 200 lying around. Works well. I have several 10BaseT ISA cards, too. Feel free to call me on Monday if you're interested or e-mail. I can't be at the Saturday meeting. Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Shawn Fertch |Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 11:51 PM |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org |Subject: [TCLUG] Looking for parts | | |I didn't really see anything on the website, because I couldn't |get to it. |So, I'm asking here. | |I'm looking for the following: | |1) Socket 7 processor 166 to a 200 preferably |2) Either a 10M ISA nic card for a server (it's going into an old |SCO server |Intel platform) or a BNC to RJ-45 adapter. | | |Thanks. | | |-- |Shawn | |"Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we |must do." |-- Bruce Lee |_______________________________________________ |tclug-list mailing list |tclug-list@mn-linux.org |https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list | From bradyh at bitstream.net Sat Sep 8 14:04:29 2001 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Logitech optical mouse In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <999975871.1728.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> My XF86Config has the following: Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Option "Device" "/dev/mouse" Option "Protocol" "MouseManPlusPS/2" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "off" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" EndSection I changed it to the following but it didn't seem to make a diff: Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Option "Device" "/dev/mouse" Option "Protocol" "imps/2" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "off" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" EndSection Does this look the way it should? > On 7 Sep 2001, Brady Hegberg wrote: > > > I love mine but I just can't get the wheel to work using the ps/2. > > Use "imps/2" in your XF86Config-4 file instead of "ps/2". > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From florin at iucha.net Sat Sep 8 14:34:17 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Logitech optical mouse In-Reply-To: <999975871.1728.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>; from bradyh@bitstream.net on Sat, Sep 08, 2001 at 02:04:29PM -0500 References: <999975871.1728.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20010908143416.A31794@beaver.iucha.org> On Sat, Sep 08, 2001 at 02:04:29PM -0500, Brady Hegberg wrote: > My XF86Config has the following: > > Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "Mouse0" > Driver "mouse" > Option "Device" "/dev/mouse" > Option "Protocol" "MouseManPlusPS/2" > Option "Emulate3Buttons" "off" > Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" > EndSection > > I changed it to the following but it didn't seem to make a diff: > > Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "Mouse0" > Driver "mouse" > Option "Device" "/dev/mouse" > Option "Protocol" "imps/2" > Option "Emulate3Buttons" "off" > Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" > EndSection > > Does this look the way it should? > /me wonders where /dev/mouse points... If you have a serial mouse it should be linked to /dev/ttySxy ps/2 /dev/psaux usb /dev/input/mice florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From fertch at mninter.net Sat Sep 8 15:29:16 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Connection problems Message-ID: <01090815291600.00352@bleys> I've got the ipchains setup correctly (had to dig through the mail archives). However, I'm running into a connecting issue now: On my gateway machine, when I try to dial into my ISP, the system times out then the modem hangs up. I'm using ppp dialer to do my connections. I've got all of the information setup properly in there for connecting to the isp; username, password, dialing info, etc. What I think might be happening is that because the gateway is on a LAN, it's trying to loop back to my network for authentication. I think I ran into this before and the way I could get it to connect was by disabline eth0 and then it would dial and connect. Beyond that I haven't gone into any diagnosing. Obviously that won't work being that it's my gateway, so what/where should I do and look? resolv.conf is point to my ISP's DNS server. /etc/hosts has my local lan machines in there (haven't set up DNS locally yet), and I've added the ipchains rules to /etc/rc.d/rclocal file. -- Shawn "Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do." -- Bruce Lee From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Sep 8 15:50:33 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mozilla and popups Message-ID: <20010908155033.0fb427e9.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Since some of you probably keep closer track of the Mozilla project, I was wondering if anyone knows if there's a reason why there isn't a Konqueror-like option to disable JavaScript popup windows.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Bugs are Sons of Glitches! / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If anyone else has done stuff with it, and perhaps has some more examples of how to use it than the two on that web page, I'd be really interested.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ "Every time I've built / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ character, I've \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) regretted it." [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I saw some good DSL router prices on shopping.yahoo.com and ebay while looking for something else, so look there if you haven't already. --Ben From Ben at WorksCited.Net Sat Sep 8 17:03:38 2001 From: Ben at WorksCited.Net (Ben Stallings) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] free food with YDL PPP help In-Reply-To: References: <20010830115047.V26388@ringworld.org> Message-ID: Hi, folks. I'm new on this list and relatively new to Linux, having installed Yellow Dog on my Mac PowerBook G3 ("Wallstreet") Series last month. I have some experience with UNIX servers, but essentially none with desktop installs, and no experience at all with PPP under Linux. PPP worked flawlessly the first time I tried it, but hasn't worked since, and the tips I got from the YDL e-mail list resulted only in my getting the necessary supporting files all out of whack. (Minicom still works fine, as does PPP under MacOS.) I think I've gone about as far as I can following people's suggestions via e-mail, so I'm looking for someone who can take a look at the problem in person. I know free food isn't an enticement for everybody, but it's what I'm prepared to offer: I'll treat you to the meal of your choice (within reason) iff you'll get my PPP working. Successful configuration of the power manager so it displays my battery level will earn you dessert. Any takers? --Ben 612-870-4584 From Ben at WorksCited.Net Sat Sep 8 17:33:55 2001 From: Ben at WorksCited.Net (Ben Stallings) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] free food with YDL PPP help In-Reply-To: References: <20010830115047.V26388@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <01090817335509.00804@Romana> Please disregard the message you just received from me. It was sent by mistake. --Ben From chrome at real-time.com Sat Sep 8 17:59:01 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] journaling file systems In-Reply-To: <20010907092406.A7615@gordo.space.umn.edu>; from crumley@belka.space.umn.edu on Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 09:24:06AM -0500 References: <20010907064634.A9423@fandre.com> <20010907092406.A7615@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010908175901.A15280@real-time.com> > Also, > aren't newer versions of NTFS journaling (though I don't its > supported under Linux yet)? I'm not sure on the specifics; but what I heard was that NTFS is something called a 'log-structured' filesystem... which some say isn't true journalling; but is better than non-journalling. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From jpschewe at mtu.net Sat Sep 8 18:12:53 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mingetty is lost Message-ID: When I log out of a terminal session the new mingetty process gets lost. It just sits there taking all of my CPU and never comes back with a logon prompt. Anyone have any clues as to why? -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From chrome at real-time.com Sat Sep 8 18:13:49 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Backup In-Reply-To: <20010908095917.C2397@candle.mn.mediaone.net>; from nate@techie.com on Sat, Sep 08, 2001 at 09:59:17AM -0500 References: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E066D852E@msgmsp15.norwest.com> <20010906154412.E31878@beaver.iucha.org> <20010907212040.C10484@real-time.com> <20010908020414.B12064@beaver.iucha.org> <20010908095917.C2397@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20010908181349.C15280@real-time.com> > > You are talking about ext2/dump or xfs/xfsdump? ext2 dump. xfsdump may be a completely different animal for all I know. > At the time Linus has a big problem with ext2/dump. I don't know if he > still does, but I think Linus's problem was with dump producing bad > output or not restoring stuff correctly. that was the primary problem, yes. > I haven't heard anything about the corruption on read-only file systems > for quite some time. I think they were actually using dd as the example > program for this. at least the example I'm thinking of, talked about r-o fs corruption because of some wierd case of cache corruption, because of dump. was mentioned on lwn.net's kernel page, some months ago. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Sat Sep 8 18:20:15 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Backup In-Reply-To: <20010908181349.C15280@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Sat, Sep 08, 2001 at 06:13:49PM -0500 References: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E066D852E@msgmsp15.norwest.com> <20010906154412.E31878@beaver.iucha.org> <20010907212040.C10484@real-time.com> <20010908020414.B12064@beaver.iucha.org> <20010908095917.C2397@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <20010908181349.C15280@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010908182015.D15280@real-time.com> > > I haven't heard anything about the corruption on read-only file systems > > for quite some time. I think they were actually using dd as the example > > program for this. > at least the example I'm thinking of, talked about r-o fs corruption > because of some wierd case of cache corruption, because of dump. > was mentioned on lwn.net's kernel page, some months ago. ok, I found the reference. my apologies; it's not actually read-only filesystems that can be corrupted; it's just /filesystems that the dump process has no write access to/ and other processes do. http://lwn.net/2001/0503/kernel.php3 <<< *Trashing your filesystem with dump.* It has been known for a very long time that using dump to back up live filesystems can result in corrupt backups. It turns out that, with Linux kernels through 2.4.4, dumping a live filesystem has the potential to corrupt the filesystem in place, even if the dump process has no write access. Alexander Viro reported the bug which makes this possible. It can happen only on SMP systems, and is not easy to trigger, but it is there. Essentially, if the filesystem allocates a new metadata block for the filesystem, and a separate process reads that block at the wrong time, the wrong data will be written back to disk. The fix is relatively straightforward, and has already been incorporated into 2.4.5pre1. Linus pointed out an interesting little fact as part of this discussion: dump will not work correctly on 2.4-based systems in any case. The filesystem keeps quite a bit of useful information in the page cache - and will do so even more in the future. dump, however, works with the raw device, which deals with the buffer cache instead. The two are not always synchronized, and it is possible that dump will end up reading the wrong data. In case that's not clear enough: So anybody who depends on "dump" getting backups right is already playing russian rulette with their backups. It's not at all guaranteed to get the right results - you may end up having stale data in the buffer cache that ends up being "backed up". For now, there is really no easy way to fix dump for 2.4. If you're using it, this might be a good time to go looking for a different tool. >>> Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From blayer at qwest.net Sat Sep 8 18:22:12 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Blackbox & Sylpheed die with Sig11 Message-ID: <20010908182212.2689a95e.blayer@qwest.net> This is odd.. If I try to run Sylpheed > version 0.5.1, I get regular crashes from Blackbox, which is dying with a signal 11. I normally think of Sig 11 as a hardware thing, so how might this relate to a particular version of a software? Here are some error messages: BScreen::BScreen: managing screen 0 using visual 0x21, depth 16 MiscExtGetMouseSettings MiscExtCreateStruct MiscExtGetMouseValue MiscExtGetMouseValue MiscExtGetMouseValue MiscExtGetMouseValue MiscExtGetMouseValue MiscExtGetMouseValue MiscExtGetMouseValue MiscExtGetMouseValue MiscExtGetMouseValue MiscExtDestroyStruct blackbox: signal 11 caught shutting down aborting... dumping core waiting for X server to shut down Gdk-ERROR **: X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). opera-shared: Fatal IO error: client killed X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). Ack, what is going on? -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From chrome at real-time.com Sat Sep 8 18:47:00 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] proxying from secured to unsecured protocols Message-ID: <20010908184700.C15427@real-time.com> let's say you have a device that you telnet to, to manage. to protect it, you put it behind a single-floppy firewall (Coyote linux, LRP, etc). the obvious answer is to SSH to the firewall; and then telnet to the device. but what if you want to avoid having a user shell account on the firewall? put another way, what's the simplest way to secure the connection to the device (preferably without having to run a user shell on the firewall, since it's space-limited)? is VPN the only answer, or is there something I'm missing? Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Sep 8 19:04:25 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] proxying from secured to unsecured protocols In-Reply-To: <20010908184700.C15427@real-time.com> References: <20010908184700.C15427@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010908190425.5ecd5b6d.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > put another way, what's the simplest way to secure the connection to the > device (preferably without having to run a user shell on the firewall, > since it's space-limited)? is VPN the only answer, or is there something > I'm missing? Set up the user's shell to be a script or program that just runs telnet? -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ `desserts' spelled / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ backward is `stressed' \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hey Brady, Here's the relevant portion from my XF86Config: Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Generic Mouse" Driver "mouse" Option "CorePointer" Option "Protocol" "imps/2" Option "Device" "/dev/psaux" Option "Buttons" "5" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" EndSection -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From chrome at real-time.com Sat Sep 8 22:14:53 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] proxying from secured to unsecured protocols In-Reply-To: <20010908190425.5ecd5b6d.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Sat, Sep 08, 2001 at 07:04:25PM -0500 References: <20010908184700.C15427@real-time.com> <20010908190425.5ecd5b6d.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010908221453.A16220@real-time.com> > Set up the user's shell to be a script or program that just runs telnet? yeah, that already occured to me. just wondering if people had other, more creative ideas. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From lbehrens at boolion.com Sat Sep 8 23:19:45 2001 From: lbehrens at boolion.com (Lee J. Behrens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kylix-related links Message-ID: In case you missed them, here are the Kylix-related links given at today's presentation: http://www.borland.com Borland's web site. http://community.borland.com Borland's developer community site. http://www.logicworksinc.com Logicworks' (presenter Mark's company) site. http://www.boolion.com Boolion's (presenter Lee's company) site. http://www.tcpc.com/sigs/delphi/index.html Twin Cities PC User Group's Delphi/Kylix SIG site. We meet the FOURTH Wednesday of every month (except for holiday conflicts), near the Mall of America.... There's a map on one of the pages. http://www.nevrona.com Nevrona Designs' site. Click the Products link for a listing of the open source projects they officially support, including Internet Direct (aka, Indy). BTW, the Indy demos are damaged on the Kylix CD, so you can obtain them here. (Get the files for Indy 8.x.) Perhaps one of the more interesting demos is an example of a Linux daemon. I hope I didn't miss any. (Mark, did I?) Thanks to everyone who attended the demo, and put up with our misbehaving software. ;) Which reminds me, I know why my hot keys quit working.... Tip for the day: if none of the hot keys seem to work in Kylix, check which editor emulation you selected! Lee Behrens From kethatwork at yahoo.com Fri Sep 7 22:16:36 2001 From: kethatwork at yahoo.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Reporting software? In-Reply-To: <20010907215026.A10962@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010908031636.35262.qmail@web11008.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks, Carl! It certainly looks promising, though definitely not at a stage for testing with our application - it'll be interesting to see where it goes. At this point, given we're tied to Domino for the moment, it's a little too limited in that a) it's only supported for postgreSQL and MySQL - and I haven't been able to look at the Ruby DBI module - though if it's like or based on PERL's - if the LotusNotes stuff in DBI were updated, it could potentially work - hrmmmmmm...hey Josh - wanna help me tackle that one!? And Bob - if I do find something, I will certainly post it here. Liz --- Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > here's a package that claims to be similar to > Crystal Reports... however, > it's written in Ruby, and is at v0.0.2; so the long > term viability of it is > still very up in the air. :) > > http://www.io.com/~jimm/downloads/datavision/ > > Carl Soderstrom > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com From kethatwork at yahoo.com Fri Sep 7 22:17:58 2001 From: kethatwork at yahoo.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ruby Message-ID: <20010908031758.85056.qmail@web11006.mail.yahoo.com> So.....the information Carl sent on DataVision got me curious - has anyone here used Ruby? It looks interesting... Liz __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com From evisuale at mn.mediaone.net Sun Sep 9 01:36:42 2001 From: evisuale at mn.mediaone.net (Erick Stohr) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ruby References: <20010908031758.85056.qmail@web11006.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901c138f9$c9cd1f40$66baa318@genx> I have not used it but have seen a book on it by the authors of 'The Pragmatic Programmer", which is an excellent book, an have gone to the register with it a few times but never followed through on the purchase. Erick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liz Burke-Scovill" To: Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 10:17 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Ruby > So.....the information Carl sent on DataVision got me > curious - has anyone here used Ruby? It looks > interesting... > > Liz > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger > http://im.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at greentechnologist.org Sun Sep 9 07:31:51 2001 From: josh at greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] proxying from secured to unsecured protocols In-Reply-To: <20010908221453.A16220@real-time.com> Message-ID: I'm trying to find the list archive to see what the original question was ... Anyway, I'm not sure if this is relevant or not but you can get a shell from telnet. Hit the escape char ^] to get to a telnet> prompt which allows you to type ! to get a shell. You may just want to strip that stuff from your telnet client prior to allowing people to access it. Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free speech is simply staggering." - someone else On Sat, 8 Sep 2001, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > Set up the user's shell to be a script or program that just runs telnet? > > yeah, that already occured to me. just wondering if people had other, more > creative ideas. :) > > Carl Soderstrom > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From eng at pinenet.com Sun Sep 9 08:42:47 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help! Programming the UART Message-ID: <20010909.13424700@linwin.mshome.net> I'm trying to rediscover how to control the RS232 UART every PC has two of. This powerful interface could be more useful, particularly for process control or robotics. I'm not looking for a driver, unless it is highly versatile. In the original PCs one simply input or output to the UART BIOS address and the bit field was yours. The DOS driver for the COM ports began the process of hiding control by adding a new layer. Pascal and C can be used to build drivers, such as the terminal driver or modem driver. I am hoping someone in this group has some experience with this in Unix (Linux). I've reinvented the wheel plenty of times. From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sun Sep 9 10:24:06 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help! Programming the UART In-Reply-To: <20010909.13424700@linwin.mshome.net> References: <20010909.13424700@linwin.mshome.net> Message-ID: <20010909102406.054329a7.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Rick Engebretson wrote: > > I'm trying to rediscover how to control the RS232 UART every PC has two > of. This powerful interface could be more useful, particularly for > process control or robotics. I'm not looking for a driver, unless it is > highly versatile. > > In the original PCs one simply input or output to the UART BIOS address > and the bit field was yours. The DOS driver for the COM ports began the > process of hiding control by adding a new layer. http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/IO-Port-Programming.html Though even that document recommends using the normal kernel I/O interfaces. http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Serial-Programming-HOWTO/ http://www.easysw.com/~mike/serial/serial.html -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ #define EDINGDONG /* The / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ daemon is dead */ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010909/c02ab03b/attachment.pgp From josh at greentechnologist.org Sun Sep 9 10:26:05 2001 From: josh at greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] perl LotusNotes (was Reporting software) In-Reply-To: <20010908031636.35262.qmail@web11008.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Oh I missed that. There's a DBD::LotusNotes? I looked out and around and came up a 'LotusNotes' module Martin Brech was working on around the end of 1999. His e-mail address is Martin.Brech@erl11.siemens.de. The module isn't on CPAN now so I don't know what ever happened to it. Some other trivia, I'm not sure if this is the same Martin Brech but *a* Martin Brech tells a story of Pres Eisenhower's death camps with German POWs at http://www.vho.org/GB/Journals/JHR/10/2/Brech161-166.html. I hadn't ever heard about that before. My grand-dad was in the German occupation in the constabulary. I wonder if he ever heard of this sort of thing. Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free speech is simply staggering." - someone else On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > > Thanks, Carl! It certainly looks promising, though > definitely not at a stage for testing with our > application - it'll be interesting to see where it > goes. At this point, given we're tied to Domino for > the moment, it's a little too limited in that a) it's > only supported for postgreSQL and MySQL - and I > haven't been able to look at the Ruby DBI module - > though if it's like or based on PERL's - if the > LotusNotes stuff in DBI were updated, it could > potentially work - hrmmmmmm...hey Josh - wanna help me > tackle that one!? > > And Bob - if I do find something, I will certainly > post it here. > > Liz > > --- Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom > wrote: > > here's a package that claims to be similar to > > Crystal Reports... however, > > it's written in Ruby, and is at v0.0.2; so the long > > term viability of it is > > still very up in the air. :) > > > > http://www.io.com/~jimm/downloads/datavision/ > > > > Carl Soderstrom > > -- > > Network Engineer > > Real-Time Enterprises > > (952) 943-8700 > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger > http://im.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net Sun Sep 9 10:46:58 2001 From: markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help! Programming the UART References: <20010909.13424700@linwin.mshome.net> Message-ID: <001201c13946$ac2849e0$1e02a8c0@zippy> My company does direct control of these ports for some of our imbedded control systems. Most of the code is in VB and of little use to a linux fellow such as yourself. These is a disturbing trend in cheap new computers to emulate the hardware in software. These is no actual UART to control. THis has made it necessary for us to test samples of new models as the clueless salesmen have no ieda what they are selling. Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Engebretson" To: Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 8:42 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Help! Programming the UART > I'm trying to rediscover how to control the RS232 UART every PC has two > of. This powerful interface could be more useful, particularly for > process control or robotics. I'm not looking for a driver, unless it is > highly versatile. > > In the original PCs one simply input or output to the UART BIOS address > and the bit field was yours. The DOS driver for the COM ports began the > process of hiding control by adding a new layer. > > Pascal and C can be used to build drivers, such as the terminal driver or > modem driver. > > I am hoping someone in this group has some experience with this in Unix > (Linux). I've reinvented the wheel plenty of times. > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drake at lemongecko.myip.org Sun Sep 9 10:28:07 2001 From: drake at lemongecko.myip.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Roadrunner cable & DHCP Message-ID: <20010909112807.A5818@lemongecko.org> Later this week, I'll be getting a cable modem installed (Time Warner/Roadrunner/whatever) and I'm curious about the DHCP they use. I'm pretty sure the tech will be clueless about setting up the cable modem with Linux. I have a regular sort of DHCP client on my Debian box (I'm not sitting near it right now, so I don't know exactly what package it has). Will that work? Is there anything unusual about the DHCP system they use? I know Roadrunner used to have a very strange login system, but they scrapped that, right? If it's any help, I used to have Qwest DSL and a Cisco 678, and my box worked with getting an address from the 678 via DHCP. I just want to know the details ahead of time. Forewarned is forearmed and all. Thanks, Dan -- lemon | Dan Drake + gecko | drake@lemongecko.org ----- | http://lemongecko.org/drake ?! | From dante at plethora.net Sun Sep 9 11:41:47 2001 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help! Programming the UART In-Reply-To: <20010909.13424700@linwin.mshome.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 9 Sep 2001, Rick Engebretson wrote: > I'm trying to rediscover how to control the RS232 UART every PC has two > of. This powerful interface could be more useful, particularly for > process control or robotics. I'm not looking for a driver, unless it is > highly versatile. > > In the original PCs one simply input or output to the UART BIOS address > and the bit field was yours. The DOS driver for the COM ports began the > process of hiding control by adding a new layer. > > Pascal and C can be used to build drivers, such as the terminal driver or > modem driver. > > I am hoping someone in this group has some experience with this in Unix > (Linux). I've reinvented the wheel plenty of times. > Apart from the documents previously provided, I would recommend that if you need capabilities that are not provided by the serial driver already that you: 1. Apply a realtime scheduling patch, you are probably going to need it. 2. Write your custom control functions as an extension to the existing serial driver. This prevents needing to write a complete custom serial driver, and the resulting module/patch would likely be useful to anyone else trying to do robotics under Linux. It also allows you to completely separate the serial control functions from the robot control logic, making your control program easier to write and maintain. -- Daniel Taylor From dante at plethora.net Sun Sep 9 11:44:35 2001 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Roadrunner cable & DHCP In-Reply-To: <20010909112807.A5818@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 9 Sep 2001, Dan Drake wrote: > Later this week, I'll be getting a cable modem installed (Time > Warner/Roadrunner/whatever) and I'm curious about the DHCP they use. I'm > pretty sure the tech will be clueless about setting up the cable modem with > Linux. > > I have a regular sort of DHCP client on my Debian box (I'm not sitting near > it right now, so I don't know exactly what package it has). Will that work? > Is there anything unusual about the DHCP system they use? I know Roadrunner > used to have a very strange login system, but they scrapped that, right? > > If it's any help, I used to have Qwest DSL and a Cisco 678, and my box > worked with getting an address from the 678 via DHCP. > > I just want to know the details ahead of time. Forewarned is forearmed and > all. > If you are currently running with a fully automatic setup, no changes should be necessary. I am running AT&T/RR (theoreticly, as it is what I ordered), and the Debian default works beautifully (I have even been able to do a net install over my link). -- Daniel Taylor From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Sun Sep 9 12:21:48 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Roadrunner cable & DHCP In-Reply-To: <20010909112807.A5818@lemongecko.org>; from drake@lemongecko.myip.org on Sun, Sep 09, 2001 at 11:28:07AM -0400 References: <20010909112807.A5818@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: <20010909122148.A17927@trammell.dyndns.org> On Sun, Sep 09, 2001 at 11:28:07AM -0400, Dan Drake wrote: > Later this week, I'll be getting a cable modem installed (Time > Warner/Roadrunner/whatever) and I'm curious about the DHCP they > use. I'm pretty sure the tech will be clueless about setting up > the cable modem with Linux. When I had TW/RR, I used a stock Debian distro with dhcpcd (cd for client daemon), and had no problems. The install techs didn't even care about the peecee I was going to hook up to the modem -- they just wanted to make sure the blinkenlights on the thing looked happy. -- Just Another Perl Hacker. From clay at fandre.com Sun Sep 9 13:04:17 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kylix-related links In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010909130417.A12386@fandre.com> So how did the meeting go. I hope everything went OK. How was the presentation? On Sat, 08 Sep 2001, Lee J. Behrens wrote: > In case you missed them, here are the Kylix-related links given at today's > presentation: > > http://www.borland.com > Borland's web site. > > http://community.borland.com > Borland's developer community site. > > http://www.logicworksinc.com > Logicworks' (presenter Mark's company) site. > > http://www.boolion.com > Boolion's (presenter Lee's company) site. > > http://www.tcpc.com/sigs/delphi/index.html > Twin Cities PC User Group's Delphi/Kylix SIG site. We meet the FOURTH > Wednesday of every month (except for holiday conflicts), near the Mall of > America.... There's a map on one of the pages. > > http://www.nevrona.com > Nevrona Designs' site. Click the Products link for a listing of the open > source projects they officially support, including Internet Direct (aka, > Indy). BTW, the Indy demos are damaged on the Kylix CD, so you can obtain > them here. (Get the files for Indy 8.x.) Perhaps one of the more interesting > demos is an example of a Linux daemon. > > > I hope I didn't miss any. (Mark, did I?) > > Thanks to everyone who attended the demo, and put up with our misbehaving > software. ;) Which reminds me, I know why my hot keys quit working.... Tip > for the day: if none of the hot keys seem to work in Kylix, check which > editor emulation you selected! > > Lee Behrens > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sun Sep 9 13:16:45 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] perl LotusNotes (was Reporting software) In-Reply-To: References: <20010908031636.35262.qmail@web11008.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010909131645.E18850@ringworld.org> * Joshua b. Jore [010909 10:29]: > Oh I missed that. There's a DBD::LotusNotes? I looked out and around and > came up a 'LotusNotes' module Martin Brech was working on around the end Looks like its still-being-worked on Venue: Ironwood 1 & 2 Topic: Work in Progress: High-performance Perl access to Lotus Notes -- Admin stuff, DBI and more Presenter: Martin Brech Perl evangelist at the German headquarters of Siemens Power Generation Group http://conferences.oreilly.com/bof/ -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From rybski at cs.umn.edu Sun Sep 9 16:41:03 2001 From: rybski at cs.umn.edu (Paul E. Rybski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IConnectHere In-Reply-To: <20010909130417.A12386@fandre.com> Message-ID: Hi everyone, I'm looking for some help on how to get a IConnectHere, a PC-to-Phone service, to work through a linux masquerading firewall. I've got a home network that gets its internet connections from a RedHat box running an ipchains packet filter that has masquerading turned on. I'd like to be able to use my windows box (behind the firewall) to access IConnectHere's internet PC-to-Phone service. However, I haven't had much luck. The web page help isn't terribly helpful. All they say is which ports have to be opened in the firewall: For out-going and in-coming traffic the ports are: TCP UDP 12053 12080 12083 12120 12084 12122 12200 12180 12202 24150-24250 12122 12110 However, it doesn't say whether this is a 1-to-1 mapping, or whether these ports need to access my entire unpriviliged port range, etc... Additionally, it does not say which ports (UDP in particular) must be explicitly forwarded to the windows box. This is vital because without it, I can't correctly route the incoming UDP packets carrying the voice of the person who I'm trying to talk with. I've been able to get Dialpad.com to work through my masquerading firewall by using the ipmasqadm utility, so I know that this sort of thing can be done. Has anybody else tried this with IConnectHere? I've got several emails out to their tech support right now, but haven't heard anything back yet. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! -Paul --- Paul E. Rybski --- http://www.cs.umn.edu/~rybski From josh at greentechnologist.org Sun Sep 9 19:47:09 2001 From: josh at greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] perl LotusNotes (was Reporting software) In-Reply-To: <20010909131645.E18850@ringworld.org> Message-ID: Oh, I didn't see a date for that. Or is that conference pending? Oh wait. That's a generic link, I suppose it is. Doh. Silly me for thinking that already occurred. Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free speech is simply staggering." - someone else On Sun, 9 Sep 2001, Scott Dier wrote: > * Joshua b. Jore [010909 10:29]: > > Oh I missed that. There's a DBD::LotusNotes? I looked out and around and > > came up a 'LotusNotes' module Martin Brech was working on around the end > > Looks like its still-being-worked on > > Venue: Ironwood 1 & 2 Topic: Work in Progress: High-performance Perl > access to Lotus Notes -- Admin stuff, DBI and more Presenter: Martin > Brech > Perl evangelist at the German headquarters of Siemens Power Generation > Group > > http://conferences.oreilly.com/bof/ > > > -- > Scott Dier > http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From eng at pinenet.com Sun Sep 9 19:57:15 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help! Programming the UART.sdm In-Reply-To: <20010909102406.054329a7.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> References: <20010909.13424700@linwin.mshome.net> <20010909102406.054329a7.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010910.571500@linwin.mshome.net> Excellent references. Thank you. One of the references mentioned a real mode linux kernel. I have a lot to learn. Probably I'm confusing the old real mode OS and the protected mode OS of today. Maybe accessing the ports can't be easy anymore. Still, its worth doing. All those controller lines with RS-232 really supplement the data lines which are fast enough for most uses. And the driver produces some real power. If you run into more references I would appreciate them. Thanks. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 9/9/01, 4:24:40 PM, Mike Hicks wrote regarding Re: [TCLUG] Help! Programming the UART.sdm: > Rick Engebretson wrote: > > > > I'm trying to rediscover how to control the RS232 UART every PC has two > > of. This powerful interface could be more useful, particularly for > > process control or robotics. I'm not looking for a driver, unless it is > > highly versatile. > > > > In the original PCs one simply input or output to the UART BIOS address > > and the bit field was yours. The DOS driver for the COM ports began the > > process of hiding control by adding a new layer. > http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/IO-Port-Programming.html > Though even that document recommends using the normal kernel I/O > interfaces. > http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Serial-Programming-HOWTO/ > http://www.easysw.com/~mike/serial/serial.html > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ #define EDINGDONG /* The > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ daemon is dead */ > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From brian.peterson at tcinternet.net Sun Sep 9 21:07:48 2001 From: brian.peterson at tcinternet.net (Brian Peterson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help! Programming the UART References: <20010909.13424700@linwin.mshome.net> Message-ID: <005901c1399d$643d6b40$449d62d1@brianizoools74> > I'm trying to rediscover how to control the RS232 UART every PC has two > of. This powerful interface could be more useful, particularly for > process control or robotics. I'm not looking for a driver, unless it is > highly versatile. > > In the original PCs one simply input or output to the UART BIOS address > and the bit field was yours. The DOS driver for the COM ports began the > process of hiding control by adding a new layer. > > Pascal and C can be used to build drivers, such as the terminal driver or > modem driver. > > I am hoping someone in this group has some experience with this in Unix > (Linux). I've reinvented the wheel plenty of times. I wrote a C program not too long ago for the rapid application development of Linux RS-232 automated test, measurement, and control systems. It is stable and is currently being used in numerous commercial robotics and process control system applications. It is also suitable for hobbyists. It is command-line based and it is very easy to use with your favorite scripting language. The program is licensed under GPL, and the documentation can be found at http://sjinn.sourceforge.net/ and the project page is at http://sourceforge.net/projects/sjinn/ Other projects of interest might be Samplin at http://www.iaee.tuwien.ac.at/sensor/samplin/, the Puffin PLC project http://www.control.com/ (open source software for automation), and the Linux Lab project at http://www.llp.fu-berlin.de/. If you are using PIC's, BASIC stamps, or even Lego Mindstorm Robotics Invention Kit :) there are also GPL'd Linux projects for these. If you are interested let me know and I will send you the links. From ray at lctn.k12.mn.us Sun Sep 9 22:42:19 2001 From: ray at lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] plonk ipchain firewall Message-ID: <003f01c139aa$9cc0f740$0200a8c0@xtratyme.com> I have the ipchain firewall working from plonk.soundforce.com. I cannot however find any documentation on more in-depth configuration such as forwarding specific ports, such as FTP and www to boxes on my private LAN Anyone have info on this? Thanks in advance Raymond check out our Church's website at www.wolhutch.com live and past services on line -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010909/56c6a374/attachment.htm From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Sep 10 00:59:22 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG Classifieds Message-ID: Hey, Anyone have any luck with the TCLUG classifieds? I'm thinking of posting some stuff but (A) Always see the same stuff up there. -Yaron -- From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Mon Sep 10 08:49:11 2001 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG Classifieds In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yep it works pretty nice. Colin From brian at ghostreactor.com Mon Sep 10 08:53:58 2001 From: brian at ghostreactor.com (Brian Riesgraf) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG Classifieds In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yeah, i posted my Visor Deluxe that i have for sale on it and have gotten no replys. Speaking of which, im still trying to sell it. 110$ (obo) for a used graphite handspring visor deluxe with bifold leather case and standard acessories. Here is a pic: http://www.happilyinfected.net/visor.jpg Might as well give it one last shot =] Toss me an an email if interested. Brian Riesgraf Ghost Reactor Industries www.ghostreactor.com On Mon, 10 Sep 2001, Yaron wrote: > Hey, > > Anyone have any luck with the TCLUG classifieds? I'm thinking of posting > some stuff but (A) Always see the same stuff up there. > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From Ben at WorksCited.Net Mon Sep 10 09:41:56 2001 From: Ben at WorksCited.Net (Ben Stallings) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Handspring software? Message-ID: <01091009415604.01091@Romana> Hi, folks. What software do you recommend for working with a Handspring Visor via Linux? I don't actually have one yet, but I'd like to start getting my data in the right format so I can move my addressbook, etc. to the Visor immediately when I do have it. Thanks in advance! --Ben (running Yellow Dog Linux on a PowerBook G3) From blayer at qwest.net Mon Sep 10 09:57:21 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Handspring software? In-Reply-To: <01091009415604.01091@Romana> References: <01091009415604.01091@Romana> Message-ID: <20010910095721.37318a87.blayer@qwest.net> On or about Mon, 10 Sep 2001 09:41:56 -0500 Ben Stallings reportedly said... > Hi, folks. What software do you recommend for working with a Handspring > Visor via Linux? I don't actually have one yet, but I'd like to start > getting my data in the right format so I can move my addressbook, etc. to the > Visor immediately when I do have it. You don't need to change the 'format' of any data, you just need to acquire the Linux softwares for managing a Palm Pilot (or a Handspring in this case). Basic steps are: 1) Recompile the kernel with support for your USB controller, and support for the Handspring Visor (under USB > Serial Converters). Symlink /dev/visor and /dev/pilot -> /dev/ttyUSB1 2) Get and install the pilot-link suite of tools. This software is at v.0.9.5 right now. The next software depends on this suite of tools and libraries. 3) Get and install J-Pilot, which is the GUI desktop software that replaces Palm Desktop under *nix. This software is currently at v0.99 RTFM and you should be in business.. One note: it is necessary to first press the hotsync button on the Visor cradle before starting the sync or backup operation from J-pilot (or pilot-link). If you try it in the normal order, the sync operation will fail. Have fun. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From Ben at WorksCited.Net Mon Sep 10 10:02:27 2001 From: Ben at WorksCited.Net (Ben Stallings) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] text editor wars Message-ID: <01091010022705.01091@Romana> Hello again. I recently (this weekend) made the switch to Linux as my primary OS after being a Mac person since 1985. One of the parts of the transition I'm having most trouble with is actually text editors... I was very happy with Tex Edit Plus on the Mac, and none of the editors that came with my distribution come close to its usefulness for my purposes. Specifically, * When I click beyond the right-hand side of a line of text, I want the cursor to appear after the last character I typed on that line, not where I clicked (as happens in the KDE Text Editor and Advanced Editor). KMail does a good job of this, but I can't use KMail for all my text editing needs. * Ability to change quickly between CR, LF, and CRLF line endings is a must. The KDE Advanced Editor does this well, but the above-cited behavior makes it annoying otherwise. * Ability to change the display font is also a must, since I find the font used by the KDE Advanced Editor hard to read. (Is there a way to change this??) * I prefer not to discover arcane keyboard commands by mistake, so please don't tell me Emacs is the One True Editor. I don't dispute that it's great. It's just not for me. * Extra bells and whistles like rulers just slow things down... I guess this isn't the world's fastest computer. I don't have a printer and don't do a lot of programming, so I don't need formatting tools for those purposes. * Tex Edit has a nifty pop-up menu that lets you insert any ASCII character and shows you what character you've got if you select one. Something like that would be handy, since I handle a lot of cross-platform files. Heck, if it could recognize the Mac and Windows extended ASCII as well as Unicode, that would be a dream. Suggestions? Thanks again! --Ben (running Yellow Dog Linux on a PowerBook G3) From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Mon Sep 10 10:25:20 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] text editor wars In-Reply-To: <01091010022705.01091@Romana>; from Ben@WorksCited.Net on Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 10:02:27AM -0500 References: <01091010022705.01091@Romana> Message-ID: <20010910102520.A24077@trammell.dyndns.org> On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 10:02:27AM -0500, Ben Stallings wrote: > Hello again. I recently (this weekend) made the switch to Linux as my > primary OS after being a Mac person since 1985. One of the parts of the > transition I'm having most trouble with is actually text editors... I was > very happy with Tex Edit Plus on the Mac, and none of the editors that came > with my distribution come close to its usefulness for my purposes. > Specifically, [snip] You may want to take a look at nedit. -- Torg: Quick, blow up that shiny thing! Kiki: Ooooh! From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Sep 10 10:43:34 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Handspring software? In-Reply-To: <20010910095721.37318a87.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: For the USB device you need to have a pretty recent version of pilot-link. Progeny Debian only has 0.9.3. To get things working on my laptop, I had to download and install v.0.9.5. From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Sep 10 10:46:59 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] plonk ipchain firewall In-Reply-To: <003f01c139aa$9cc0f740$0200a8c0@xtratyme.com> Message-ID: For 2.2 kernels you'll have to look into ipfwadm...I think. I really don't remember how to forward stuff in 2.2 kernels. With 2.4 kernels it's really easy: $IPTABLES -A PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp --dport 1012 -i eth0 -j DNAT --to 192.168.1.12:22 But tools like plonk aren't quite ready for iptables yet. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Sep 10 10:54:54 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Roadrunner cable & DHCP In-Reply-To: <20010909112807.A5818@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: If you are in Time Warner land you shouldn't have to do anything. Potato uses the dhcpcd package (DHCP Client Daemon) Progeny/Woody/Sid use dhcp-client package. By default, you'll get pump, which has a tendency to freak out on renewing the DHCP lease. Hopefully pump has been fixed, but I'm sticking with the dhcp-client. If you're in AT&T land you'll have to give them the Hardware (MAC) address of your NIC before you can get online. Time Warner just uses the cable modem itself for auth and whatnot and avoids this step. TimeWarner will give you 5 ips, AT&T 1. Even if you have Time Warner I suggest going with a NAT box as their DHCP servers have been somewhat flakey in the past. (I think this has greatly improved, but I like having the NAT/Firewall box there.) Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From jay at slushpupie.com Mon Sep 10 10:57:44 2001 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] plonk ipchain firewall In-Reply-To: <003f01c139aa$9cc0f740$0200a8c0@xtratyme.com> References: <003f01c139aa$9cc0f740$0200a8c0@xtratyme.com> Message-ID: <20010910155754.KKAY19154.femail34.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> if you are on 2.2.x then you need ipmasqadm ipmasqadm portfw -a -P tcp -L $OUTSIDE_IP $OUTSIDE_PORT -R $INSIDE_IP \ $INSIDE_PORT On Sunday 09 September 2001 10:42 pm, you wrote: > I have the ipchain firewall working from plonk.soundforce.com. I cannot > however find any documentation on more in-depth configuration such as > forwarding specific ports, such as FTP and www to boxes on my private LAN > > Anyone have info on this? > > > Thanks in advance > > Raymond > > > > > > > > > check out our Church's website > at www.wolhutch.com > live and past services on line -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- Your object is to save the world, while still leading a pleasant life. From jasonj at talkware.net Mon Sep 10 11:05:49 2001 From: jasonj at talkware.net (Jason Jorgensen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] text editor wars References: <01091010022705.01091@Romana> Message-ID: <3B9CE4DD.2070606@talkware.net> UltraEdit is a powerful editor for windows. I have successfully run it and its installer under wine. You might want to consider that. For a linux app there is Kate. Its basically the same as kde's advanced editor with a more features. I dont know what version of KDE you have installed, but the latest version of KDE's advanced editor seems to have all the features you requested. Right clicking on the right side of a line of text moves the cursor to the end of that line of text, not where you clicked. You can change the font, and the CR/LF/CRLF stuff. Ben Stallings wrote: >Hello again. I recently (this weekend) made the switch to Linux as my >primary OS after being a Mac person since 1985. One of the parts of the >transition I'm having most trouble with is actually text editors... I was >very happy with Tex Edit Plus on the Mac, and none of the editors that came >with my distribution come close to its usefulness for my purposes. >Specifically, > >* When I click beyond the right-hand side of a line of text, I want the >cursor to appear after the last character I typed on that line, not where I >clicked (as happens in the KDE Text Editor and Advanced Editor). KMail does >a good job of this, but I can't use KMail for all my text editing needs. > >* Ability to change quickly between CR, LF, and CRLF line endings is a must. >The KDE Advanced Editor does this well, but the above-cited behavior makes it >annoying otherwise. > >* Ability to change the display font is also a must, since I find the font >used by the KDE Advanced Editor hard to read. (Is there a way to change >this??) > >* I prefer not to discover arcane keyboard commands by mistake, so please >don't tell me Emacs is the One True Editor. I don't dispute that it's great. >It's just not for me. > >* Extra bells and whistles like rulers just slow things down... I guess this >isn't the world's fastest computer. I don't have a printer and don't do a >lot of programming, so I don't need formatting tools for those purposes. > >* Tex Edit has a nifty pop-up menu that lets you insert any ASCII character >and shows you what character you've got if you select one. Something like >that would be handy, since I handle a lot of cross-platform files. Heck, if >it could recognize the Mac and Windows extended ASCII as well as Unicode, >that would be a dream. > >Suggestions? > >Thanks again! --Ben (running Yellow Dog Linux on a PowerBook G3) >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Mon Sep 10 11:07:56 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Roadrunner cable & DHCP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: pump won't work with RoadRunner :( Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Andy Zbikowski |(Zibby) |Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 10:59 AM |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org |Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Roadrunner cable & DHCP | | |If you are in Time Warner land you shouldn't have to do anything. Potato |uses the dhcpcd package (DHCP Client Daemon) Progeny/Woody/Sid use |dhcp-client package. By default, you'll get pump, which has a tendency to |freak out on renewing the DHCP lease. Hopefully pump has been fixed, but |I'm sticking with the dhcp-client. | |If you're in AT&T land you'll have to give them the Hardware (MAC) address |of your NIC before you can get online. Time Warner just uses the cable |modem itself for auth and whatnot and avoids this step. | |TimeWarner will give you 5 ips, AT&T 1. Even if you have Time Warner I |suggest going with a NAT box as their DHCP servers have been somewhat |flakey in the past. (I think this has greatly improved, but I like having |the NAT/Firewall box there.) | |Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org |"We can learn much more from wise words, little |from wisecracks and less from wise guys." |--William Arthur Ward | | |_______________________________________________ |tclug-list mailing list |tclug-list@mn-linux.org |https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list | From kent at structural-wood.com Mon Sep 10 11:24:05 2001 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Roadrunner cable & DHCP References: Message-ID: <3B9CE925.E62876B1@structural-wood.com> James Spinti wrote: > > pump won't work with RoadRunner :( > > Thanks, > Any details on this? Kent From sos at zjod.net Mon Sep 10 11:31:40 2001 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Roadrunner cable & DHCP In-Reply-To: from "James Spinti" at Sep 10, 2001 11:07:56 AM Message-ID: <200109101631.LAA04265@zjod.net> Actually, it probably will... with help. It's my experience that pump won't automagically renew your lease... and when the lease expires, your network connection just goes catatonic. Some ISPs use exceptionally short lease expirations (under 4 hours) to ease the pressure on their limited number of IP addresses. The fix is to insert into root's crontab an explicit lease renewal, for example, hourly at 1 minute after the hour: > 01 * * * * /sbin/pump -i eth1 -R NOTE: remember to change the "eth1" part to use the right device. Hope this help'idly, -S James Spinti wrote: > > pump won't work with RoadRunner :( > > Thanks, > > James Spinti > jspinti at dartdist.com > 952-368-3278 x396 > fax 952-368-3255 > > |-----Original Message----- > |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Andy Zbikowski > |(Zibby) > |Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 10:59 AM > |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > |Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Roadrunner cable & DHCP > | > | > |If you are in Time Warner land you shouldn't have to do anything. Potato > |uses the dhcpcd package (DHCP Client Daemon) Progeny/Woody/Sid use > |dhcp-client package. By default, you'll get pump, which has a tendency to > |freak out on renewing the DHCP lease. Hopefully pump has been fixed, but > |I'm sticking with the dhcp-client. > | > |If you're in AT&T land you'll have to give them the Hardware (MAC) address > |of your NIC before you can get online. Time Warner just uses the cable > |modem itself for auth and whatnot and avoids this step. > | > |TimeWarner will give you 5 ips, AT&T 1. Even if you have Time Warner I > |suggest going with a NAT box as their DHCP servers have been somewhat > |flakey in the past. (I think this has greatly improved, but I like having > |the NAT/Firewall box there.) > | > |Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org > |"We can learn much more from wise words, little > |from wisecracks and less from wise guys." > |--William Arthur Ward > | > | > |_______________________________________________ > |tclug-list mailing list > |tclug-list@mn-linux.org > |https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > | > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jack at jacku.com Mon Sep 10 12:26:39 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] text editor wars In-Reply-To: <20010910102520.A24077@trammell.dyndns.org> References: <01091010022705.01091@Romana> <20010910102520.A24077@trammell.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <01091012263900.02962@geezer> On Monday 10 September 2001 10:25, you wrote: > On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 10:02:27AM -0500, Ben Stallings wrote: > > Hello again. I recently (this weekend) made the switch to Linux as my > > primary OS after being a Mac person since 1985. One of the parts of the > > transition I'm having most trouble with is actually text editors... I was > > very happy with Tex Edit Plus on the Mac, and none of the editors that > > came with my distribution come close to its usefulness for my purposes. > > Specifically, > > [snip] > > You may want to take a look at nedit. I'll second the nEdit suggestion. I've been using nedit on off for about a year and have been very happy with it. -- Jack Ungerleider The Ungerleider Group - Creative Solutions for Cooperative Computing jack@jacku.com From fertch at mninter.net Mon Sep 10 12:35:20 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Networked PPP connection issue Message-ID: <01091012352001.00537@bleys> I've been reading through the different HOW-TO's to try and figure a problem out. I posted a little bit ago asking this question, but didn't receive an answer. I really need to get this going but can't find the answer to what I'm looking for in the how-to's. Problem: I have a home LAN comprised of various OS machines (Slack 8, Free BSD 4.2, Solaris 8, Win9x, Win2k), with the gateway machine having Slack 8 and an external 56k modem as my connection to the internet. The gateway machine has all of the connection information in there correctly, and I added the following lines to the end of my rc.local file for the internal machines to get outside: ipchains -P forward DENY ipchains -A forward -i ppp0 -j MASQ With this machine connected to my LAN, I can get it to dial. I hear the ISP pickup and the handshake begin. However, the modem hangs up because it can't get authorization. I'm assuming that it's because when my system is trying to authenticate to the ISP it's attempting to from my LAN instead of the ISP. I ran into this once before on my laptop, but I just disabled my LAN and redialed. However with the box that's dialing being my gateway, that isn't an option. Below is the closest thing to an answer that I can find/think of that might be causing this issue. IIRC, this came out of the PPPD how-to. <> I've read the Networking and Net How-to's but didn't seem find anything that addresses this issue. Can someone tell me if this is the cause of my issue why I can't successfully connect to my ISP through modem dial-in? I used to have ISDN with this working, but I don't recall what I did previously or where I got the information. Also, the box has been reloaded since I got rid of my ISDN. -- Shawn "Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do." -- Bruce Lee From markt at logicworksinc.com Mon Sep 10 13:42:29 2001 From: markt at logicworksinc.com (Mark Theiste) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kylix-related links In-Reply-To: <20010909130417.A12386@fandre.com> Message-ID: Hi Clay, I sent you a message earlier but I'll post most of that here for everyone's benefit! The meeting was great. Ben Kochie was there and helped with the room and we are very thankful for that. We had a technical problem; I forgot the PS2 mouse for my computer which had the database server and web server configured on it. We checked around and the best we could do was get a USB mouse installed that someone had brought with them, but thankfully we had that. It was a small challenge getting that machine to work with that mouse and I was also having a display problem with the smaller-than-usual monitor I brought. Mike Hicks was very helpful and we almost got the thing working at the beginning of the meeting but not quite everything was working right. However, Bob came to the meeting with Amy and saved us by getting the system back on track before those demos, so we were able to show them. We ended up going until almost 3:00!! I think we got done at 2:55 by the clock in the back of the room. I kept mentioning that people could head out anytime they needed to but I think most people stuck around until we were done and we got a nice round of applause afterward. There are so many things we could have shown with Kylix and we really just scratched the surface. We also handed out some evaluation CDs and T-Shirts which no one turned away! Kylix is an excellent tool for writing business apps on and I hope a few people find the time to try it out. Thank You everyone for the chance to show Kylix to TCLUG! As important as the tool itself is, we also want people to know that Borland and their partners (us) are doing everything we can to help businesses realize the Linux value proposition, and help them adopt the Linux platform. We are mainly in the business of writing and helping our customers write business applications. Businesses need a lot of other Linux products and services, and I encourage anyone with ideas about how to integrate their products and services with our efforts to let me know so we can all be working together. Kylix stands out as a technology leader for Linux because it is exactly the type of tool that has helped propel Microsoft to domination of so much of the business computing world. The Linux world now has a great chance to compete strongly in the business market because tools like Kylix are exactly what Linux has been lacking to do that. Just as Delphi, C++Builder and tools like it (some I just won't bother to mention) have worked to drive the Microsoft business market, so they will work to do the same thing for Linux because Kylix is the type of software development tool businesses want. Businesses want Kylix because it eases the building of powerful applications that manage their business information and makes them more competitive. Borland has several other tools and technologies for Linux including JBuilder (Java), Visibroker (CORBA ORB), and AppServer (EJB/J2EE Application Server). Interbase runs on many platforms including Linux and is an excellent Open Source database. Also Kylix, which is Borland's Object Pascal tool and is really "Delphi for Linux", will be joined (probably not until next year) by their C++ language tool for Linux which will really be "C++Builder for Linux". -Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Clay Fandre > Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 1:04 PM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Kylix-related links > > > So how did the meeting go. I hope everything went OK. How was the > presentation? > > On Sat, 08 Sep 2001, Lee J. Behrens wrote: > > > In case you missed them, here are the Kylix-related links given > at today's > > presentation: > > > > http://www.borland.com > > Borland's web site. > > > > http://community.borland.com > > Borland's developer community site. > > > > http://www.logicworksinc.com > > Logicworks' (presenter Mark's company) site. > > > > http://www.boolion.com > > Boolion's (presenter Lee's company) site. > > > > http://www.tcpc.com/sigs/delphi/index.html > > Twin Cities PC User Group's Delphi/Kylix SIG site. We meet the FOURTH > > Wednesday of every month (except for holiday conflicts), near > the Mall of > > America.... There's a map on one of the pages. > > > > http://www.nevrona.com > > Nevrona Designs' site. Click the Products link for a listing of the open > > source projects they officially support, including Internet Direct (aka, > > Indy). BTW, the Indy demos are damaged on the Kylix CD, so you > can obtain > > them here. (Get the files for Indy 8.x.) Perhaps one of the > more interesting > > demos is an example of a Linux daemon. > > > > > > I hope I didn't miss any. (Mark, did I?) > > > > Thanks to everyone who attended the demo, and put up with our > misbehaving > > software. ;) Which reminds me, I know why my hot keys quit > working.... Tip > > for the day: if none of the hot keys seem to work in Kylix, check which > > editor emulation you selected! > > > > Lee Behrens > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blayer at qwest.net Mon Sep 10 14:07:00 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CBOS image filename differences (nsrouter?) Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010910134532.00a049e0@pop.mpls.qwest.net> I got the ultra-fantastic DSL Updater from qwest.com today, figured I'd bump my modem up to CBOS 2.4.3. It came as a Windows .exe file, which I unpacked, installed etc. A subdir of the DSL Installer dir is 'CBOS Images' and contains the following image files: c675.2.4.3.bin c678cap.2.4.3.bin c678dmt.full.2.4.3.bin nsrouter.c675.2.4.3.bin nsrouter.c678cap.2.4.3.bin nsrouter.c678dmt.full.2.4.3.bin The 'nsrouter' version of each image is about 42 bytes smaller than the 'plain' version of the image. Does anyone know what the functional difference is between the nsrouter & plain versions? The auto-upgrade software picked the c675.2.4.3.bin image for my modem, but in the past, I have used the nsrouter.c675.2.X.X.bin images and they seemed to be fine... Any ideas on this? Anyone needing the images, you can get them here: http://frogtown.dynu.com/UserX/cbos Hi, How are you? I send you this email in order to ask you about CBOS image filenames. Billy Boy From ray at lctn.k12.mn.us Mon Sep 10 15:13:26 2001 From: ray at lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] plonk ipchain firewall References: Message-ID: <045601c13a35$0cf82030$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> Is there a better tool for what I want to do? I simply want to get internet by going through the Linux box with my Windows workstations, forward FTP, and WWW to private addresses on the LAN, and access my Windows workstation from out side the network using Timbuktu, which uses udp 407,1417-1420. I am using 192.168.x.x IP's. Second application I would like to do is: Set up a Redhat box at my church as a gateway to the Internet. The difference is, it has an ISDN dial up connection to a Netgear ISDN modem. Currently we are using winroute for this, but it causes problems for us. Thanks for your help Raymond ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) To: Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] plonk ipchain firewall > For 2.2 kernels you'll have to look into ipfwadm...I think. I really don't > remember how to forward stuff in 2.2 kernels. > > With 2.4 kernels it's really easy: > $IPTABLES -A PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp --dport 1012 -i eth0 -j DNAT --to > 192.168.1.12:22 > > But tools like plonk aren't quite ready for iptables yet. > > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org > "We can learn much more from wise words, little > from wisecracks and less from wise guys." > --William Arthur Ward > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Sep 10 15:30:45 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Roadrunner cable & DHCP Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDE8F@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Umm... Hide your linux box and tell the guy you forgot your WINDOWS laptop at work. Someone I work with ordered a cable modem, and the installer wouldn't hook up the line because he said they don't support linux. When I ordered my line, the guy on the phone asked what OS I was using and I said linux, he said I needed to use windows or a mac or they wouldn't set it up, so I had to tell him that I would reinstall windows to use with the cable modem. When the guy came out, I just said I left my computer at work. After he left, I just called the 800 number to have it provisioned. They are friggin' nazi's about linux. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: John J. Trammell [mailto:trammell@trammell.dyndns.org] > Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 12:22 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Roadrunner cable & DHCP > > > On Sun, Sep 09, 2001 at 11:28:07AM -0400, Dan Drake wrote: > > Later this week, I'll be getting a cable modem installed (Time > > Warner/Roadrunner/whatever) and I'm curious about the DHCP > they use. > > I'm pretty sure the tech will be clueless about setting up > the cable > > modem with Linux. > > When I had TW/RR, I used a stock Debian distro with dhcpcd > (cd for client daemon), and had no problems. The install > techs didn't even care about the peecee I was going to hook > up to the modem -- they just wanted to make sure the > blinkenlights on the thing looked happy. > > -- > Just Another Perl Hacker. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From fertch at mninter.net Mon Sep 10 15:40:22 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] plonk ipchain firewall In-Reply-To: <045601c13a35$0cf82030$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> References: <045601c13a35$0cf82030$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> Message-ID: <01091015402206.00537@bleys> On Monday 10 September 2001 15:13, you wrote: > Second application I would like to do is: Set up a Redhat box at my church > as a gateway to the Internet. The difference is, it has an ISDN dial up > connection to a Netgear ISDN modem. Currently we are using winroute for > this, but it causes problems for us. Can't help on the first one, but on the ISDN if it's an external device you should be able to configure it as a regular modem. If it's an internal ISDN modem card, try looking at isdn4linux I think it is. I used to run an ISDN line at home, on an external device and once it worked it was nice. From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Sep 10 15:38:01 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] text editor wars Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDE90@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> There is another for linux called CoolEdit which is pretty nice. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason Jorgensen [mailto:jasonj@talkware.net] > Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 11:06 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] text editor wars > > > UltraEdit is a powerful editor for windows. I have > successfully run it > and its installer under wine. You might want to consider that. > > For a linux app there is Kate. Its basically the same as > kde's advanced > editor with a more features. > > I dont know what version of KDE you have installed, but the latest > version of KDE's advanced editor seems to have all the features you > requested. Right clicking on the right side of a line of text > moves the > cursor to the end of that line of text, not where you > clicked. You can > change the font, and the CR/LF/CRLF stuff. > > > > > Ben Stallings wrote: > > >Hello again. I recently (this weekend) made the switch to > Linux as my > >primary OS after being a Mac person since 1985. One of the > parts of the > >transition I'm having most trouble with is actually text > editors... I was > >very happy with Tex Edit Plus on the Mac, and none of the > editors that came > >with my distribution come close to its usefulness for my purposes. > >Specifically, > > > >* When I click beyond the right-hand side of a line of text, > I want the > >cursor to appear after the last character I typed on that > line, not where I > >clicked (as happens in the KDE Text Editor and Advanced > Editor). KMail does > >a good job of this, but I can't use KMail for all my text > editing needs. > > > >* Ability to change quickly between CR, LF, and CRLF line > endings is a > >must. > >The KDE Advanced Editor does this well, but the above-cited > behavior makes it > >annoying otherwise. > > > >* Ability to change the display font is also a must, since I > find the > >font > >used by the KDE Advanced Editor hard to read. (Is there a > way to change > >this??) > > > >* I prefer not to discover arcane keyboard commands by mistake, so > >please > >don't tell me Emacs is the One True Editor. I don't dispute > that it's great. > >It's just not for me. > > > >* Extra bells and whistles like rulers just slow things > down... I guess > >this > >isn't the world's fastest computer. I don't have a printer > and don't do a > >lot of programming, so I don't need formatting tools for > those purposes. > > > >* Tex Edit has a nifty pop-up menu that lets you insert any ASCII > >character > >and shows you what character you've got if you select one. > Something like > >that would be handy, since I handle a lot of cross-platform > files. Heck, if > >it could recognize the Mac and Windows extended ASCII as > well as Unicode, > >that would be a dream. > > > >Suggestions? > > > >Thanks again! --Ben (running Yellow Dog Linux on a PowerBook G3) > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From bbaptist at iexposure.com Mon Sep 10 15:39:46 2001 From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] plonk ipchain firewall In-Reply-To: <045601c13a35$0cf82030$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> References: <045601c13a35$0cf82030$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> Message-ID: <200109102039.f8AKdkY10205@destiny.iexposure.com> The tool that you want to use is ipmasqadm. Their are various modules that are loded and configured with this tool. To do port forwarding to an inside address you would do something like this: ipmasqadm portfw -a -P tcp -L 255.255.255.255 80 -R 192.168.x.x 80 Where 255.255.255.255 is the ip of your outside interface, the number after the ip is the incoming port, and the 192.169.x.x is the internal address of the computer you want to forward to, the number after the ip is the port you want to direct to on the inside machine. You can do a ipmasqadm portfw with no options and it tells you what to put in. One thing your kernel has to have support for this, and the modules have to be compiled, most firewall solutions will do this, but I have no idea about plonk, never used it. -- Bret Baptist Systems and Technical Support Specialist bbaptist@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services On Monday 10 September 2001 03:13 pm, you wrote: > Is there a better tool for what I want to do? I simply want to get internet > by going through the Linux box with my Windows workstations, forward FTP, > and WWW to private addresses on the LAN, and access my Windows workstation > from out side the network using Timbuktu, which uses udp 407,1417-1420. I > am using 192.168.x.x IP's. > > Second application I would like to do is: Set up a Redhat box at my church > as a gateway to the Internet. The difference is, it has an ISDN dial up > connection to a Netgear ISDN modem. Currently we are using winroute for > this, but it causes problems for us. > > > Thanks for your help > > Raymond > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) > To: > Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 10:46 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] plonk ipchain firewall > > > For 2.2 kernels you'll have to look into ipfwadm...I think. I really > > don't remember how to forward stuff in 2.2 kernels. > > > > With 2.4 kernels it's really easy: > > $IPTABLES -A PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp --dport 1012 -i eth0 -j DNAT --to > > 192.168.1.12:22 > > > > But tools like plonk aren't quite ready for iptables yet. > > > > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org > > "We can learn much more from wise words, little > > from wisecracks and less from wise guys." > > --William Arthur Ward > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Mon Sep 10 15:41:29 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Roadrunner cable & DHCP In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDE8F@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: I think it depends on the installer. I had an NT box that I told them to install it on and they couldn't get it to install with their software. I had to manually add the card, DHCP, etc. I asked him about Linux and he said it wasn't supported (but neither was NT...) His feelings were if I could get it working, it was cool. Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Austad, Jay |Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 3:31 PM |To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' |Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Roadrunner cable & DHCP | | |Umm... Hide your linux box and tell the guy you forgot your WINDOWS laptop |at work. Someone I work with ordered a cable modem, and the installer |wouldn't hook up the line because he said they don't support linux. When I |ordered my line, the guy on the phone asked what OS I was using and I said |linux, he said I needed to use windows or a mac or they wouldn't set it up, |so I had to tell him that I would reinstall windows to use with the cable |modem. | |When the guy came out, I just said I left my computer at work. After he |left, I just called the 800 number to have it provisioned. They are |friggin' nazi's about linux. | |Jay | |> -----Original Message----- |> From: John J. Trammell [mailto:trammell@trammell.dyndns.org] |> Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 12:22 PM |> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org |> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Roadrunner cable & DHCP |> |> |> On Sun, Sep 09, 2001 at 11:28:07AM -0400, Dan Drake wrote: |> > Later this week, I'll be getting a cable modem installed (Time |> > Warner/Roadrunner/whatever) and I'm curious about the DHCP |> they use. |> > I'm pretty sure the tech will be clueless about setting up |> the cable |> > modem with Linux. |> |> When I had TW/RR, I used a stock Debian distro with dhcpcd |> (cd for client daemon), and had no problems. The install |> techs didn't even care about the peecee I was going to hook |> up to the modem -- they just wanted to make sure the |> blinkenlights on the thing looked happy. |> |> -- |> Just Another Perl Hacker. |> _______________________________________________ |> tclug-list mailing list |> tclug-list@mn-linux.org |> https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list |> |_______________________________________________ |tclug-list mailing list |tclug-list@mn-linux.org |https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list | From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Mon Sep 10 15:44:14 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Roadrunner cable & DHCP In-Reply-To: <200109101631.LAA04265@zjod.net> Message-ID: Already have tried it from the command line and then tailed the syslog. Errored out...with several attempts listed in the syslog. I think Nate Carlson said he tried it and ended up using dhcp-client because he couldn't get it working either. Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Steve Siegfried |Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 11:38 AM |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org |Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Roadrunner cable & DHCP | | | |Actually, it probably will... with help. It's my experience that |pump won't automagically renew your lease... and when the lease |expires, your network connection just goes catatonic. Some ISPs use |exceptionally short lease expirations (under 4 hours) to ease the |pressure on their limited number of IP addresses. | |The fix is to insert into root's crontab an explicit lease renewal, |for example, hourly at 1 minute after the hour: | | > 01 * * * * /sbin/pump -i eth1 -R | |NOTE: remember to change the "eth1" part to use the right device. | |Hope this help'idly, | |-S | | | |James Spinti wrote: |> |> pump won't work with RoadRunner :( |> |> Thanks, |> |> James Spinti |> jspinti at dartdist.com |> 952-368-3278 x396 |> fax 952-368-3255 |> |> |-----Original Message----- |> |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |> |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Andy Zbikowski |> |(Zibby) |> |Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 10:59 AM |> |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org |> |Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Roadrunner cable & DHCP |> | |> | |> |If you are in Time Warner land you shouldn't have to do anything. Potato |> |uses the dhcpcd package (DHCP Client Daemon) Progeny/Woody/Sid use |> |dhcp-client package. By default, you'll get pump, which has a |tendency to |> |freak out on renewing the DHCP lease. Hopefully pump has been fixed, but |> |I'm sticking with the dhcp-client. |> | |> |If you're in AT&T land you'll have to give them the Hardware |(MAC) address |> |of your NIC before you can get online. Time Warner just uses the cable |> |modem itself for auth and whatnot and avoids this step. |> | |> |TimeWarner will give you 5 ips, AT&T 1. Even if you have Time Warner I |> |suggest going with a NAT box as their DHCP servers have been somewhat |> |flakey in the past. (I think this has greatly improved, but I |like having |> |the NAT/Firewall box there.) |> | |> |Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org |> |"We can learn much more from wise words, little |> |from wisecracks and less from wise guys." |> |--William Arthur Ward |> | |> | |> |_______________________________________________ |> |tclug-list mailing list |> |tclug-list@mn-linux.org |> |https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list |> | |> _______________________________________________ |> tclug-list mailing list |> tclug-list@mn-linux.org |> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list |> | |_______________________________________________ |tclug-list mailing list |tclug-list@mn-linux.org |https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list | From barnabas at knicknack.net Mon Sep 10 15:49:15 2001 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Roadrunner cable & DHCP In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDE8F@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 03:30:45PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDE8F@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010910154915.C10118@knicknack.net> I'll throw another experience into the fray. When I ordered by TW/RR I forget what I told them I was running, but when Windows and Mac are the only options, I usually tell them Mac. When the tech came to install it, he didn't care that I was using Linux, but he did say he knew nothing about it. The dhcpcd that came with Slack 7.x worked just fine for connecting. One time I did lose my connection (but not my address :-) and had a horrible time trying to get help. I told them to pretend I was using Windows, and that I would translate to Linux, but they wouldn't offer any help. Turns out all they had to do was to ping my address from the outside and that brought my router out of its coma. In general I would agree with Jay's assessment of their attitude toward Linux. Eric On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 03:30:45PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > Umm... Hide your linux box and tell the guy you forgot your WINDOWS laptop > at work. Someone I work with ordered a cable modem, and the installer > wouldn't hook up the line because he said they don't support linux. When I > ordered my line, the guy on the phone asked what OS I was using and I said > linux, he said I needed to use windows or a mac or they wouldn't set it up, > so I had to tell him that I would reinstall windows to use with the cable > modem. > > When the guy came out, I just said I left my computer at work. After he > left, I just called the 800 number to have it provisioned. They are > friggin' nazi's about linux. > > Jay > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: John J. Trammell [mailto:trammell@trammell.dyndns.org] > > Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 12:22 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Roadrunner cable & DHCP > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 09, 2001 at 11:28:07AM -0400, Dan Drake wrote: > > > Later this week, I'll be getting a cable modem installed (Time > > > Warner/Roadrunner/whatever) and I'm curious about the DHCP > > they use. > > > I'm pretty sure the tech will be clueless about setting up > > the cable > > > modem with Linux. > > > > When I had TW/RR, I used a stock Debian distro with dhcpcd > > (cd for client daemon), and had no problems. The install > > techs didn't even care about the peecee I was going to hook > > up to the modem -- they just wanted to make sure the > > blinkenlights on the thing looked happy. > > From sos at zjod.net Mon Sep 10 15:50:03 2001 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tcplog wierdness with tclug emails Message-ID: <200109102050.PAA11060@zjod.net> Folks, Started using tcplog after a crack-in attempt recently and have notices that TCLUG email list has wierd sender addresses listed for the smtp access connection lines in the log. I.e.: > Sep 10 15:17:37 foo tcplog: smtp connection attempt from [sHSnPtG/0WxsLlmmpmE6Aw+qwOBD7SKt]@lists.real-time.com:1997 > Sep 10 15:34:00 foo tcplog: smtp connection attempt from [WCR62VJg8gqHsQjTrGgLNT1had7FC45t]@lists.real-time.com:2310 > Sep 10 15:39:58 foo tcplog: smtp connection attempt from [ejc+GfxyIwmle1Ow8mz5Gl3Lulewcwf2]@lists.real-time.com:2609 > Sep 10 15:42:57 foo tcplog: smtp connection attempt from [8LUfT48+chmDsoQURTZu6l/4BdKbLvDR]@lists.real-time.com:2839 My question is: is my tcplog program broken or is this some sort of new spamproofing or something? thanks'idly, -S From sos at zjod.net Mon Sep 10 15:54:10 2001 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Roadrunner cable & DHCP In-Reply-To: from "James Spinti" at Sep 10, 2001 03:44:14 PM Message-ID: <200109102054.PAA11100@zjod.net> Ahhh shucks! That's because I'm running pump-0.7.8, not the normal one that's been distributed by RedHat, et al (pump-0.7.0.1, as I recall). I still have the pump-0.7.8.tar.gz file if anyone wants a copy. -S James Spinti wrote: > > Already have tried it from the command line and then tailed the syslog. > Errored out...with several attempts listed in the syslog. I think Nate > Carlson said he tried it and ended up using dhcp-client because he couldn't > get it working either. > > Thanks, > > James Spinti > jspinti at dartdist.com > 952-368-3278 x396 > fax 952-368-3255 > > |-----Original Message----- > |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Steve Siegfried > |Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 11:38 AM > |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > |Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Roadrunner cable & DHCP > | > | > | > |Actually, it probably will... with help. It's my experience that > |pump won't automagically renew your lease... and when the lease > |expires, your network connection just goes catatonic. Some ISPs use > |exceptionally short lease expirations (under 4 hours) to ease the > |pressure on their limited number of IP addresses. > | > |The fix is to insert into root's crontab an explicit lease renewal, > |for example, hourly at 1 minute after the hour: > | > | > 01 * * * * /sbin/pump -i eth1 -R > | > |NOTE: remember to change the "eth1" part to use the right device. > | > |Hope this help'idly, > | > |-S > | > | > | > |James Spinti wrote: > |> > |> pump won't work with RoadRunner :( > |> > |> Thanks, > |> > |> James Spinti > |> jspinti at dartdist.com > |> 952-368-3278 x396 > |> fax 952-368-3255 > |> > |> |-----Original Message----- > |> |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > |> |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Andy Zbikowski > |> |(Zibby) > |> |Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 10:59 AM > |> |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > |> |Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Roadrunner cable & DHCP > |> | > |> | > |> |If you are in Time Warner land you shouldn't have to do anything. Potato > |> |uses the dhcpcd package (DHCP Client Daemon) Progeny/Woody/Sid use > |> |dhcp-client package. By default, you'll get pump, which has a > |tendency to > |> |freak out on renewing the DHCP lease. Hopefully pump has been fixed, but > |> |I'm sticking with the dhcp-client. > |> | > |> |If you're in AT&T land you'll have to give them the Hardware > |(MAC) address > |> |of your NIC before you can get online. Time Warner just uses the cable > |> |modem itself for auth and whatnot and avoids this step. > |> | > |> |TimeWarner will give you 5 ips, AT&T 1. Even if you have Time Warner I > |> |suggest going with a NAT box as their DHCP servers have been somewhat > |> |flakey in the past. (I think this has greatly improved, but I > |like having > |> |the NAT/Firewall box there.) > |> | > |> |Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org > |> |"We can learn much more from wise words, little > |> |from wisecracks and less from wise guys." > |> |--William Arthur Ward > |> | > |> | > |> |_______________________________________________ > |> |tclug-list mailing list > |> |tclug-list@mn-linux.org > |> |https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > |> | > |> _______________________________________________ > |> tclug-list mailing list > |> tclug-list@mn-linux.org > |> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > |> > | > |_______________________________________________ > |tclug-list mailing list > |tclug-list@mn-linux.org > |https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > | > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Sep 10 15:54:09 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Roadrunner cable & DHCP In-Reply-To: References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDE8F@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010910155409.5b28d57a.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "James Spinti" wrote: > > I think it depends on the installer. I had an NT box that I told them > to install it on and they couldn't get it to install with their > software. I had to manually add the card, DHCP, etc. I asked him about > Linux and he said it wasn't supported (but neither was NT...) Bahahaha! If that's true, I don't think they know their customers very well.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ :wq! / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The guy didn't have a problem with that and just dropped the box off. He said I was the first person to have the box (packaging) openned before they left. What I would recommend: Request a self install. Then, if you have the time, ask the installer if they would like to learn how to do a Linux install. Most of them probably won't be interestd, but it shouldn't hurt to offer. Nate From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Sep 10 16:13:47 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tcplog wierdness with tclug emails In-Reply-To: <200109102050.PAA11060@zjod.net> References: <200109102050.PAA11060@zjod.net> Message-ID: <20010910161346.P18850@ringworld.org> * Steve Siegfried [010910 15:55]: > > Sep 10 15:17:37 foo tcplog: smtp connection attempt from [sHSnPtG/0WxsLlmmpmE6Aw+qwOBD7SKt]@lists.real-time.com:1997 No, hes using random ident to do that. I dont know if / is valid, however, it probally is. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From drake at lemongecko.myip.org Mon Sep 10 15:17:11 2001 From: drake at lemongecko.myip.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Roadrunner cable & DHCP In-Reply-To: <20010910160953.A17411@candle.mn.mediaone.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDE8F@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20010910160953.A17411@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20010910161710.A13602@lemongecko.org> First off, thanks for the help, guys! I have dhcp-client on my Woody box (which, being bandwidth-less, hasn't been updated since July). It should work. On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 04:09:53PM -0500, Nate Straz wrote: > What I would recommend: Request a self install. Then, if you have the > time, ask the installer if they would like to learn how to do a Linux > install. Most of them probably won't be interestd, but it shouldn't > hurt to offer. I tried to do a self-install, but I don't have cable, much less digital cable -- so TW wouldn't let me do a self install. I'm getting really sick of companies not "supporting" Linux. I don't *want* support for Linux. I don't need it. If I can't figure out how to get my internet connection working, I'm not going to call (Qwest | TW | AT&T) and ask them to help me. No, I email the TCLUG and ask *you guys* to help me! I would think a standard policy would be "if you can get it to work, fine, but we won't help you." That would allow them to sell services to Linux users and make more money (which I assume is a goal of all bandwidth providers). Alienating potential customers seems like totally bass-ackward business practice. Maybe a silly math major like me just doesn't understand capitalism. Anyhoo, thanks for the help. Hopefully I'll send an ecstatic email to the list on Thursday evening. Dan -- lemon | Dan Drake + gecko | drake@lemongecko.org ----- | http://lemongecko.org/drake ?! | From markt at logicworksinc.com Mon Sep 10 16:31:32 2001 From: markt at logicworksinc.com (Mark Theiste) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kylix-related links In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Lee, I'd also mention the borland newsgroup forums which are an excellent source of technical (and non-technical) information about all the Borland products. The news server address is forums.borland.com Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Lee J. Behrens > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 11:20 PM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: [TCLUG] Kylix-related links > > > In case you missed them, here are the Kylix-related links given at today's > presentation: > > http://www.borland.com > Borland's web site. > > http://community.borland.com > Borland's developer community site. > > http://www.logicworksinc.com > Logicworks' (presenter Mark's company) site. > > http://www.boolion.com > Boolion's (presenter Lee's company) site. > > http://www.tcpc.com/sigs/delphi/index.html > Twin Cities PC User Group's Delphi/Kylix SIG site. We meet the FOURTH > Wednesday of every month (except for holiday conflicts), near the Mall of > America.... There's a map on one of the pages. > > http://www.nevrona.com > Nevrona Designs' site. Click the Products link for a listing of the open > source projects they officially support, including Internet Direct (aka, > Indy). BTW, the Indy demos are damaged on the Kylix CD, so you can obtain > them here. (Get the files for Indy 8.x.) Perhaps one of the more > interesting > demos is an example of a Linux daemon. > > > I hope I didn't miss any. (Mark, did I?) > > Thanks to everyone who attended the demo, and put up with our misbehaving > software. ;) Which reminds me, I know why my hot keys quit working.... Tip > for the day: if none of the hot keys seem to work in Kylix, check which > editor emulation you selected! > > Lee Behrens > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Mon Sep 10 16:29:39 2001 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Roadrunner cable & DHCP References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDE8F@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20010910160953.A17411@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <3B9D30C3.36B98A6D@structural-wood.com> Nate Straz wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 03:30:45PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > > Umm... Hide your linux box and tell the guy you forgot your WINDOWS laptop > > at work. Someone I work with ordered a cable modem, and the installer > > wouldn't hook up the line because he said they don't support linux. > > I ordered from AT&T and told them that I would do the install myself. > The guy didn't have a problem with that and just dropped the box off. > He said I was the first person to have the box (packaging) openned > before they left. > > What I would recommend: Request a self install. Then, if you have the > time, ask the installer if they would like to learn how to do a Linux > install. Most of them probably won't be interestd, but it shouldn't > hurt to offer. > > Nate The guy who installed my cable modem and line was a linux evangelist. He went on a several minute rant about how bad Microsoft stuff was. When I told him I was going to be hooking the modem to a cable router he seemed annoyed that I wasn't using my linux system as the router. I plugged the modem into my linux box to make him happy, and then plugged it in the router 'cause that made me happy, then we talked some more about linux and he went home. It was great... (I signed up through Minnesota RoadRunner, whoever that is - AT&T?) From tanner at real-time.com Mon Sep 10 16:30:50 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Screenshots under X Message-ID: <20010910163050.E23971@real-time.com> Anyone have recommendations for taking screenshots under X? Screenshooter works ok, but it doesn't capture the mouse cursor and it does not seem to have a way to take a screenshot using the keyboard/hot key. This makes it difficult to get images of drop-downs, menus, transient windows, etc. Any recommendations? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Sep 10 17:00:37 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Screenshots under X In-Reply-To: <20010910163050.E23971@real-time.com> References: <20010910163050.E23971@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010910170037.R18850@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [010910 16:33]: > This makes it difficult to get images of drop-downs, menus, transient windows, > etc. sleep 20s;import -root blah.jpg (imagemagick) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Sep 10 17:04:09 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] text editor wars In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDE90@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 03:38:01PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDE90@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010910170409.A26094@llama.sistina.com> On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 03:38:01PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: >There is another for linux called CoolEdit which is pretty nice. 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I hear that if you're running a framebuffer console/X; you can just catenate /dev/fb0 (or whatever device) and redirect it to a file. I forget what the format is; it's a simple bitmap of some variety. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From Ben at WorksCited.Net Mon Sep 10 17:30:31 2001 From: Ben at WorksCited.Net (Ben Stallings) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Handspring software? In-Reply-To: <20010910095721.37318a87.blayer@qwest.net> References: <01091009415604.01091@Romana> <20010910095721.37318a87.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <01091017303100.07926@Romana> On Monday 10 September 2001 09:57, you wrote: > On or about Mon, 10 Sep 2001 09:41:56 -0500 > Ben Stallings reportedly said... > > > Hi, folks. What software do you recommend for working with a Handspring > > > Visor via Linux? I don't actually have one yet, but I'd like to start > > getting my data in the right format so I can move my addressbook, etc. > to the > > Visor immediately when I do have it. > > You don't need to change the 'format' of any data, you just need to > acquire the Linux softwares for managing a Palm Pilot (or a Handspring in > this case). Thanks for the referral to J-Pilot. What I meant about getting my data in the right format is that I have ~150 addresses already in electronic form that I want to put into the Visor when I get it, and I'd rather not retype them (or Graffiti them) if I don't have to! Although J-Pilot will allow me to use Linux to enter the data, it doesn't seem to allow imports from (or exports to) other file formats. Does anyone have any tips about how to import data from other text formats into J-Pilot? --Ben From blayer at qwest.net Mon Sep 10 17:47:50 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Handspring software? In-Reply-To: <01091017303100.07926@Romana> References: <01091009415604.01091@Romana> <20010910095721.37318a87.blayer@qwest.net> <01091017303100.07926@Romana> Message-ID: <20010910174750.76c35d45.blayer@qwest.net> On or about Mon, 10 Sep 2001 17:30:31 -0500 Ben Stallings reportedly said... Does anyone have any tips about how to > import data from other text formats into J-Pilot? The term in the PDA world is a 'conduit'. The conduit is a helper app that allows exchange of data between the PDA desktop software and foreign file formats. I guess you might need to find a conduit that will import the format you are using, but I doubt one exists for Linux. You might need to do that work on a Windows machine..? -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From spencer at sihope.com Mon Sep 10 16:55:25 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] samba Message-ID: <20010910165525.5fba28da.spencer@sihope.com> I set up samba a few months ago and it has been running fairly well. I added a new ms$ box to the network last week and it will not auth against the smb server. I tried changing its name and number to match that of an authing box, still no good. I can however login as the guest (nobodody) account. So, I had to do a re-install of a (different) box today, and the same scenario, it will not auth. Btw, the Samba server dies about every 3 days. Almost on the hour it seems like. This box is also a web server. The smb shares are first shared over nfs -> Samba -> client. I have yet to find anything in the log files to tell me why it kills itself so often. I am thinking to hook up a null-modem cable and syslog via RS-232 to another box to troubleshoot. I can only wonder if the two things are related. Is ms$ killing my Linux box? And why can't a fresh install auth to the Samba server? I have many more questions on many more Linux subjects, but first things first. Thanks for any ideas/suggestions. -- SpencerUnderground ||mailto:spencer@sihope.com|| "I have no doubt that it is part of the destiny of the human race in its gradual development to leave off the eating of animals, as surely as the savage tribes have left off eating each other when they came in contact with the more civilized." Henry David Thoreau From barnabas at knicknack.net Mon Sep 10 18:28:44 2001 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Handspring software? In-Reply-To: <01091017303100.07926@Romana>; from Ben@WorksCited.Net on Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 05:30:31PM -0500 References: <01091009415604.01091@Romana> <20010910095721.37318a87.blayer@qwest.net> <01091017303100.07926@Romana> Message-ID: <20010910182844.B10632@knicknack.net> I think there is also a Palm device interface for KDE (K-Pilot?). I've never used it but you may want to check to see if it has what you want. Eric On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 05:30:31PM -0500, Ben Stallings wrote: > On Monday 10 September 2001 09:57, you wrote: > > On or about Mon, 10 Sep 2001 09:41:56 -0500 > > Ben Stallings reportedly said... > > > > > Hi, folks. What software do you recommend for working with a Handspring > > > > > Visor via Linux? I don't actually have one yet, but I'd like to start > > > getting my data in the right format so I can move my addressbook, etc. > > to the > > > Visor immediately when I do have it. > > > > You don't need to change the 'format' of any data, you just need to > > acquire the Linux softwares for managing a Palm Pilot (or a Handspring in > > this case). > > Thanks for the referral to J-Pilot. What I meant about getting my data in > the right format is that I have ~150 addresses already in electronic form > that I want to put into the Visor when I get it, and I'd rather not retype > them (or Graffiti them) if I don't have to! Although J-Pilot will allow me > to use Linux to enter the data, it doesn't seem to allow imports from (or > exports to) other file formats. Does anyone have any tips about how to > import data from other text formats into J-Pilot? --Ben > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jay at maven.mn.org Mon Sep 10 18:37:56 2001 From: jay at maven.mn.org (Jay Christopherson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CBOS image filename differences (nsrouter?) In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010910134532.00a049e0@pop.mpls.qwest.net>; from blayer@qwest.net on Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 02:07:00PM -0500 References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010910134532.00a049e0@pop.mpls.qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010910183755.A2073@maven.maven.mn.org> From jay at slushpupie.com Mon Sep 10 21:02:16 2001 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] samba In-Reply-To: <20010910165525.5fba28da.spencer@sihope.com> References: <20010910165525.5fba28da.spencer@sihope.com> Message-ID: <20010911020233.JJDX559.femail27.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Depending on when the versions of the (Microsoft) OS were released it may be an encryption problem. MS decided a while ago that enctryption is a GoodThing (tm) and made it standard. However, I know some versions do the encryption, and some dont. So I would just make sure they all do the same thing. On Monday 10 September 2001 04:55 pm, you wrote: > I set up samba a few months ago and it has been running fairly well. I > added a new ms$ box to the network last week and it will not auth against > the smb server. I tried changing its name and number to match that of an > authing box, still no good. I can however login as the guest (nobodody) > account. So, I had to do a re-install of a (different) box today, and the > same scenario, it will not auth. Btw, the Samba server dies about every 3 > days. Almost on the hour it seems like. This box is also a web server. The > smb shares are first shared over nfs -> Samba -> client. I have yet to find > anything in the log files to tell me why it kills itself so often. I am > thinking to hook up a null-modem cable and syslog via RS-232 to another box > to troubleshoot. I can only wonder if the two things are related. Is ms$ > killing my Linux box? And why can't a fresh install auth to the Samba > server? I have many more questions on many more Linux subjects, but first > things first. > > Thanks for any ideas/suggestions. -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- Let us endeavor so to live that when we come to die even the undertaker will be sorry. -- Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar" From tanner at real-time.com Mon Sep 10 22:01:47 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tcplog wierdness with tclug emails In-Reply-To: <200109102050.PAA11060@zjod.net>; from sos@zjod.net on Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 03:50:03PM -0500 References: <200109102050.PAA11060@zjod.net> Message-ID: <20010910220147.B27587@real-time.com> Quoting Steve Siegfried (sos@zjod.net): > > Folks, > > Started using tcplog after a crack-in attempt recently and have notices that > TCLUG email list has wierd sender addresses listed for the smtp access > connection lines in the log. I actually encrypt the identd identification of processes and whom they run as for privacy reasons. Normally, if there is an incident, I can email me the "junk" that identd returns and I can apply my private key and decrypt the message and find out what user/account is being identified. The encrypt of identd doesn't system privledged accounts any different then normal users. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Mon Sep 10 22:02:48 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tcplog wierdness with tclug emails In-Reply-To: <20010910161346.P18850@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 04:13:47PM -0500 References: <200109102050.PAA11060@zjod.net> <20010910161346.P18850@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010910220248.C27587@real-time.com> Quoting Scott Dier (dieman+tclug@ringworld.org): > * Steve Siegfried [010910 15:55]: > > > Sep 10 15:17:37 foo tcplog: smtp connection attempt from [sHSnPtG/0WxsLlmmpmE6Aw+qwOBD7SKt]@lists.real-time.com:1997 > > No, hes using random ident to do that. I dont know if / is valid, > however, it probally is. > See my previous post. It's a Base64 string of a triple-DES encryption of the user of the smtp process. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jack at jacku.com Mon Sep 10 21:59:42 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Roadrunner cable & DHCP In-Reply-To: <20010910160953.A17411@candle.mn.mediaone.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDE8F@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20010910160953.A17411@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <01091021594200.02031@geezer> In my case I was converting to a new router box and didn't quite have it ready when the installer came. To make things easy I put the NIC I was going to connect to the cable modem in a dual boot box and brought up Windows. He did his thing and later that afternoon I did mine. I put the card into the old PB P60 that was my "new" router/masq box and they don't care its the same MAC on the other end of the wire. -- Jack Ungerleider The Ungerleider Group - Creative Solutions for Cooperative Computing jack@jacku.com From florin at iucha.net Mon Sep 10 22:35:00 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CBOS image filename differences (nsrouter?) In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010910134532.00a049e0@pop.mpls.qwest.net>; from blayer@qwest.net on Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 02:07:00PM -0500 References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010910134532.00a049e0@pop.mpls.qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010910223500.A3621@beaver.iucha.org> On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 02:07:00PM -0500, Bill Layer wrote: > > I got the ultra-fantastic DSL Updater from qwest.com today, figured I'd > bump my modem up to CBOS 2.4.3. It came as a Windows .exe file, which I > unpacked, installed etc. A subdir of the DSL Installer dir is 'CBOS Images' > and contains the following image files: > > c675.2.4.3.bin > c678cap.2.4.3.bin > c678dmt.full.2.4.3.bin > nsrouter.c675.2.4.3.bin > nsrouter.c678cap.2.4.3.bin > nsrouter.c678dmt.full.2.4.3.bin > > The 'nsrouter' version of each image is about 42 bytes smaller than the > 'plain' version of the image. Does anyone know what the functional > difference is between the nsrouter & plain versions? The auto-upgrade > software picked the c675.2.4.3.bin image for my modem, but in the past, I > have used the nsrouter.c675.2.X.X.bin images and they seemed to be fine... > Any ideas on this? When I upgraded by tftp I used the "nsrouter.*.bin" image and I saw on the router's screen: "Downloading legacy image"... > Anyone needing the images, you can get them here: > http://frogtown.dynu.com/UserX/cbos Except qwest is waaaay faster: downloading from you stops at 600k till I canceled it :) All in all, SNMP works! Go mrtg! florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From rechpj at earthlink.net Tue Sep 11 06:27:00 2001 From: rechpj at earthlink.net (Paul Rech) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Networked PPP connection issue References: <01091012352001.00537@bleys> Message-ID: <3B9DF504.61820FB0@earthlink.net> Shawn Fertch wrote: > I've been reading through the different HOW-TO's to try and figure a problem > out. I posted a little bit ago asking this question, but didn't receive an > answer. I really need to get this going but can't find the answer to what > I'm looking for in the how-to's. > > Problem: I have a home LAN comprised of various OS machines (Slack 8, Free > BSD 4.2, Solaris 8, Win9x, Win2k), with the gateway machine having Slack 8 > and an external 56k modem as my connection to the internet. The gateway > machine has all of the connection information in there correctly, and I added > the following lines to the end of my rc.local file for the internal machines > to get outside: I'm not a network guy, so be warned. I've been running a similar LAN for a long time with no problems. But I have the ipchains script on the gateway machine only. Not on any internal machines. /sbin/ipchains -P forward DENY /sbin/ipchains -A forward -s 192.168.0.0/24 -j MASQ Then I dial up with ppp on that gateway machine, like any other ppp connection. The internal machines have a default gateway that is the IP address of the gateway machine. That's all they have. They don't run ppp at all. route add default gw When I want to connect, I telnet to the gateway machine and set off PPP. That's it. Not elegant, but it always works for me. Sounds like you have a PPP connection problem also, that is separate from the LAN configuration. Can't help you there. Paul Rech > > > ipchains -P forward DENY > ipchains -A forward -i ppp0 -j MASQ > > With this machine connected to my LAN, I can get it to dial. I hear the ISP > pickup and the handshake begin. However, the modem hangs up because it can't > get authorization. I'm assuming that it's because when my system is trying > to authenticate to the ISP it's attempting to from my LAN instead of the ISP. > I ran into this once before on my laptop, but I just disabled my LAN and > redialed. However with the box that's dialing being my gateway, that isn't > an option. > > Below is the closest thing to an answer that I can find/think of that might > be causing this issue. IIRC, this came out of the PPPD how-to. > > < there no matter how you start pppd is this: '192.0.2.1:XXX.XXX.XX.XX'. > What this is is 'localIPaddress:remoteIPaddress'. You need it there > because normally pppd can fill in the blank itself, but fails when > connecting to an emulator.>> > > I've read the Networking and Net How-to's but didn't seem find anything that > addresses this issue. Can someone tell me if this is the cause of my issue > why I can't successfully connect to my ISP through modem dial-in? I used to > have ISDN with this working, but I don't recall what I did previously or > where I got the information. Also, the box has been reloaded since I got rid > of my ISDN. > > -- > Shawn > > "Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do." > -- Bruce Lee > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Tue Sep 11 08:24:28 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] samba In-Reply-To: <20010910165525.5fba28da.spencer@sihope.com> Message-ID: What version of M$? Are you using it as the PDC? If it is NT/Win2K you need to have it join the domain. The 2.2 versions can have that happen automagically, but my experience is that it is still best to add it from the command line on the *nix box (as root): smbpasswd -a -m "machine_name" Otherwise it might be encrypted passwords, as Jay said. Check your smb.conf for that line and uncomment it. Then restart samba. Or, if it is the original version of Win95, it won't do encrypted passwords without a change to the registry (I forget what it is) and that might be the problem. Or run testparm and redirect it to a file, then vi it. That will give you all of your settings (more than you knew existed). There is also some good documentation on the samba.org site. Otherwise, you could post your smb.conf file to the list if none of the above works :) As for the dying ??? I have had samba running on a 486 for over 2 years now at home (since Redhat 5.2), and the only time it dies is when the power goes out and when the harddrive puked on me :( It has been the PDC for most of that time, authenticating Win9X and NT boxes. None of them have ever killed it. Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of SpencerUnderground |Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 4:55 PM |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org |Subject: [TCLUG] samba | | |I set up samba a few months ago and it has been running fairly |well. I added a new ms$ box to the network last week and it will |not auth against the smb server. I tried changing its name and |number to match that of an authing box, still no good. I can |however login as the guest (nobodody) account. |So, I had to do a re-install of a (different) box today, and the |same scenario, it will not auth. Btw, the Samba server dies about |every 3 days. Almost on the hour it seems like. This box is also a |web server. The smb shares are first shared over nfs -> Samba -> |client. I have yet to find anything in the log files to tell me |why it kills itself so often. I am thinking to hook up a |null-modem cable and syslog via RS-232 to another box to |troubleshoot. I can only wonder if the two things are related. Is |ms$ killing my Linux box? And why can't a fresh install auth to |the Samba server? I have many more questions on many more Linux |subjects, but first things first. | |Thanks for any ideas/suggestions. | | |-- | SpencerUnderground |||mailto:spencer@sihope.com|| |"I have no doubt that it is part of the destiny of the human race |in its gradual development to leave off the eating of animals, as |surely as the savage tribes have left off eating each other when |they came in contact with the more civilized." Henry David Thoreau |_______________________________________________ |tclug-list mailing list |tclug-list@mn-linux.org |https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list | From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Sep 11 08:43:46 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] silly thing Message-ID: <20010911084346.788d9603.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Considering the internet traffic today, make sure you have Explicit Congestion Notification turned on (in 2.4.x kernels) echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Eagles may soar, but / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ weasels don't get sucked \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) into jet engines. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm surprised no one has mentioned xv. It allows you to highlight an area of your screen and then it takes a snapshot. You can set the number of seconds it waits before taking the snapshot. It's quite handy. Gabe -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Tue Sep 11 09:23:17 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: breaking news in USA In-Reply-To: <1000217678.1628.2.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org>; from dsherman@real-time.com on Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 09:14:32AM -0500 References: <1000217678.1628.2.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> Message-ID: <20010911092317.A30713@trammell.dyndns.org> On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 09:14:32AM -0500, Dave Sherman wrote: > Two airplanes have crashed into the World Trade Center, twin towers, in > Manhattan, New York. Another airplane has apparently crashed into the > Pentagon. > > These have been attributed to terrorist attacks. Rumors of White House crash as well. -- I don't know what the hell is going on dude, but this suspension gives me more time for fraggin'. Yee haw! From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Tue Sep 11 09:24:33 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: breaking news in USA In-Reply-To: <1000217678.1628.2.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org>; from dsherman@real-time.com on Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 09:14:32AM -0500 References: <1000217678.1628.2.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> Message-ID: <20010911092433.B30713@trammell.dyndns.org> On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 09:14:32AM -0500, Dave Sherman wrote: > Two airplanes have crashed into the World Trade Center, twin towers, in > Manhattan, New York. Another airplane has apparently crashed into the > Pentagon. > > These have been attributed to terrorist attacks. Apologies for previous message -- I hit "send" before proofreading. *threats* of crashes at White House. Threats from whom though? From jay at slushpupie.com Tue Sep 11 09:26:09 2001 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: breaking news in USA In-Reply-To: <1000217678.1628.2.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> References: <1000217678.1628.2.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> Message-ID: <20010911142633.XMOB12095.femail26.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> I am watching CNN right now, and it seems the south tower has colapsed. Also, most of the gov't buildings in DC have been evacuated... if you have cable, I suggest turning on CNN... On Tuesday 11 September 2001 09:14 am, you wrote: > Two airplanes have crashed into the World Trade Center, twin towers, in > Manhattan, New York. Another airplane has apparently crashed into the > Pentagon. > > These have been attributed to terrorist attacks. -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- Beware the one behind you. From sraun at fireopal.org Tue Sep 11 09:40:15 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] silly thing In-Reply-To: <20010911084346.788d9603.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> References: <20010911084346.788d9603.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010911094015.A24647@iaxs.net> On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 08:43:46AM -0500, Mike Hicks wrote: > Considering the internet traffic today, make sure you have Explicit > Congestion Notification turned on (in 2.4.x kernels) > > echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn Exactly what does this do? -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Tue Sep 11 09:40:57 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: breaking news in USA In-Reply-To: <20010911142633.XMOB12095.femail26.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there>; from jay@slushpupie.com on Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 09:26:09AM -0500 References: <1000217678.1628.2.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> <20010911142633.XMOB12095.femail26.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Message-ID: <20010911094057.A30859@trammell.dyndns.org> On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 09:26:09AM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > I am watching CNN right now, and it seems the south tower has colapsed. > Also, most of the gov't buildings in DC have been evacuated... if you have > cable, I suggest turning on CNN... Both towers have collapsed. From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Tue Sep 11 09:41:45 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: breaking news in USA Message-ID: Agreed. More "news": There are suspicions of a hijacked plane from Boston is going to do something similar in LA. The FAA first cancelled all take offs, then said all planes in flight must land at the nearest airport. This is from 1500AM, Peter Jennings. >>> jay@slushpupie.com 09/11/01 09:26AM >>> I am watching CNN right now, and it seems the south tower has colapsed. Also, most of the gov't buildings in DC have been evacuated... if you have cable, I suggest turning on CNN... On Tuesday 11 September 2001 09:14 am, you wrote: > Two airplanes have crashed into the World Trade Center, twin towers, in > Manhattan, New York. Another airplane has apparently crashed into the > Pentagon. > > These have been attributed to terrorist attacks. From nicksteeler12 at cs.com Tue Sep 11 09:46:06 2001 From: nicksteeler12 at cs.com (nicksteeler12@cs.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: breaking news in USA Message-ID: <354373F9.0D3D80EF.BBB7EE28@cs.com> Every where i go i hear about that. This proves one thing to me: there are some stupid/violent people out there. what was the point of this attack? Dave Sherman wrote: >Two airplanes have crashed into the World Trade Center, twin towers, in >Manhattan, New York. Another airplane has apparently crashed into the >Pentagon. > >These have been attributed to terrorist attacks. > From sraun at fireopal.org Tue Sep 11 09:47:28 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: breaking news in USA In-Reply-To: <20010911094057.A30859@trammell.dyndns.org> References: <1000217678.1628.2.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> <20010911142633.XMOB12095.femail26.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> <20010911094057.A30859@trammell.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20010911094728.B24647@iaxs.net> On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 09:40:57AM -0500, John J. Trammell wrote: > On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 09:26:09AM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > > I am watching CNN right now, and it seems the south tower has colapsed. > > Also, most of the gov't buildings in DC have been evacuated... if you > > have cable, I suggest turning on CNN... > > Both towers have collapsed. To all - what's your favorite real-time news site? I'm at work - we use onvoy.com, and they started having some kind of problem about 5AM. Between that and everyone using IIS, I haven't been able to reliably connect to any of my standard sites. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From clay at fandre.com Tue Sep 11 09:49:00 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: breaking news in USA In-Reply-To: <354373F9.0D3D80EF.BBB7EE28@cs.com> References: <354373F9.0D3D80EF.BBB7EE28@cs.com> Message-ID: <20010911094900.A1521@fandre.com> If you're at work you can listen to live rela-audio here: http://www.mpr.org/www/live/rafiles/live1.ram On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, nicksteeler12@cs.com wrote: > Every where i go i hear about that. This proves one thing to me: there are some stupid/violent people out there. what was the point of this attack? > Dave Sherman wrote: > > >Two airplanes have crashed into the World Trade Center, twin towers, in > >Manhattan, New York. Another airplane has apparently crashed into the > >Pentagon. > > > >These have been attributed to terrorist attacks. > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Tue Sep 11 09:51:08 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] silly thing In-Reply-To: <20010911094015.A24647@iaxs.net> References: <20010911084346.788d9603.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20010911094015.A24647@iaxs.net> Message-ID: <20010911095108.B1521@fandre.com> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Scott Raun wrote: > On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 08:43:46AM -0500, Mike Hicks wrote: > > Considering the internet traffic today, make sure you have Explicit > > Congestion Notification turned on (in 2.4.x kernels) > > > > echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn > > Exactly what does this do? > > -- > Scott Raun > sraun@fireopal.org > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Tue Sep 11 09:54:47 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: breaking news in USA Message-ID: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_1537000/1537469.stm This site has not so much traffic... >>> clay@fandre.com 09/11/01 09:49AM >>> If you're at work you can listen to live rela-audio here: http://www.mpr.org/www/live/rafiles/live1.ram On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, nicksteeler12@cs.com wrote: > Every where i go i hear about that. This proves one thing to me: there are some stupid/violent people out there. what was the point of this attack? > Dave Sherman wrote: > > >Two airplanes have crashed into the World Trade Center, twin towers, in > >Manhattan, New York. Another airplane has apparently crashed into the > >Pentagon. > > > >These have been attributed to terrorist attacks. > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Tue Sep 11 09:59:58 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] silly thing In-Reply-To: <20010911095108.B1521@fandre.com> References: <20010911084346.788d9603.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20010911094015.A24647@iaxs.net> <20010911095108.B1521@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010911095958.C1521@fandre.com> Whoops. CONFIG_INET_ECN: x x x x Explicit Congestion Notification (ECN) allows routers to notify x x clients about network congestion, resulting in fewer dropped packets x x and increased network performance. This option adds ECN support to the x x Linux kernel, as well as a sysctl (/proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn) which x x allows ECN support to be disabled at runtime. x x x x Note that, on the Internet, there are many broken firewalls which x x refuse connections from ECN-enabled machines, and it may be a while x x before these firewalls are fixed. Until then, to access a site behind x x such a firewall (some of which are major sites, at the time of this x x writing) you will have to disable this option, either by saying N now x x or by using the sysctl. x x x x If in doubt, say N. On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Scott Raun wrote: > > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 08:43:46AM -0500, Mike Hicks wrote: > > > Considering the internet traffic today, make sure you have Explicit > > > Congestion Notification turned on (in 2.4.x kernels) > > > > > > echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn > > > > Exactly what does this do? > > > > -- > > Scott Raun > > sraun@fireopal.org > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Tue Sep 11 10:00:13 2001 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: breaking news in USA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We are at war with someone, but who? They are going to regret this. Colin Kilbane From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Sep 11 10:04:57 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: breaking news in USA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey, On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Colin Kilbane wrote: > We are at war with someone, but who? > They are going to regret this. You can't go to war with a terrorist organization. You have to give them autonomy over their own territory and wait for them to attack you, and then not attack them cause the US says so. Ok, I'm a bit bitter. I leave one terror-ridden country and now it follows me here. Maybe now the US will realize what terrorism really is and actually fight against it. -Yaron -- From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Tue Sep 11 10:08:10 2001 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: breaking news in USA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Got a point there. From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Tue Sep 11 10:14:48 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: breaking news in USA In-Reply-To: <20010911094728.B24647@iaxs.net>; from sraun@fireopal.org on Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 09:47:28AM -0500 References: <1000217678.1628.2.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> <20010911142633.XMOB12095.femail26.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> <20010911094057.A30859@trammell.dyndns.org> <20010911094728.B24647@iaxs.net> Message-ID: <20010911101448.A31094@trammell.dyndns.org> On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 09:47:28AM -0500, Scott Raun wrote: > To all - what's your favorite real-time news site? NPR. From spencer at sihope.com Tue Sep 11 09:23:33 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] samba In-Reply-To: References: <20010910165525.5fba28da.spencer@sihope.com> Message-ID: <20010911092333.363543a6.spencer@sihope.com> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 08:24:28 -0500 "James Spinti" wrote: > What version of M$? Are you using it as the PDC? > Yes it is the PDC. I think I figured out the problem. I think I just need to hack the registry on the ms$ boxen. I don't think I'll go in today tho. I'd rather stay with my family. kaboom. > -- SpencerUnderground ||mailto:spencer@sihope.com|| "I have no doubt that it is part of the destiny of the human race in its gradual development to leave off the eating of animals, as surely as the savage tribes have left off eating each other when they came in contact with the more civilized." Henry David Thoreau From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Tue Sep 11 10:51:49 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] samba In-Reply-To: <20010911092333.363543a6.spencer@sihope.com> Message-ID: I would suggest you keep the encryption turned on and hack the registry of the older machine(s) to allow encryption. The instructions are referenced in smb.conf under encryption (I think it is security.txt). Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of SpencerUnderground |Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:24 AM |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org |Subject: Re: [TCLUG] samba | | |On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 08:24:28 -0500 |"James Spinti" wrote: | |> What version of M$? Are you using it as the PDC? |> |Yes it is the PDC. I think I figured out the problem. I think I |just need to hack the registry on the ms$ boxen. I don't think |I'll go in today tho. I'd rather stay with my family. |kaboom. |> | | |-- | SpencerUnderground |||mailto:spencer@sihope.com|| |"I have no doubt that it is part of the destiny of the human race |in its gradual development to leave off the eating of animals, as |surely as the savage tribes have left off eating each other when |they came in contact with the more civilized." Henry David Thoreau |_______________________________________________ |tclug-list mailing list |tclug-list@mn-linux.org |https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list | From florin at iucha.net Tue Sep 11 11:06:45 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: breaking news in USA In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 10:04:57AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010911110645.A7259@beaver.iucha.org> On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 10:04:57AM -0500, Yaron wrote: > Hey, > > On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Colin Kilbane wrote: > > > We are at war with someone, but who? > > They are going to regret this. > > You can't go to war with a terrorist organization. You have to give them > autonomy over their own territory and wait for them to attack you, and > then not attack them cause the US says so. > > Ok, I'm a bit bitter. I leave one terror-ridden country and now it follows > me here. Maybe now the US will realize what terrorism really is and > actually fight against it. I will abstain from commenting. This got off-topic enough... florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From nate at techie.com Tue Sep 11 11:08:40 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Screenshots under X In-Reply-To: <20010910170527.B26094@llama.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 05:05:27PM -0500 References: <20010910163050.E23971@real-time.com> <20010910170527.B26094@llama.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010911110840.A24144@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 05:05:27PM -0500, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 04:30:50PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > >Anyone have recommendations for taking screenshots under X? > > import -window root screenshot.jpg > > import comes with imagemagick package, as opposed to useing "root" as the > window, you can run xwininfo, click in the window you wanna know the id of, > and pass the id: number instead. You can actually click on the window that you want the screen shot of. But I don't see any way to get the cursor included or drop-down menus. Nate From josh at greentechnologist.org Tue Sep 11 11:33:26 2001 From: josh at greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: breaking news in USA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Where did you come from? And I suppose you're right, you can't go to *war* with a terrorist organization. As I understand it, war must involve nations or other geographically distinct entities. How the heck do you fight a *war* against a porous entity? I don't think you can. And CRAP! I don't know where she is yet but my mom is a United flight attendant. I know she was going to be flying around now so... Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free speech is simply staggering." - someone else On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Yaron wrote: > Hey, > > On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Colin Kilbane wrote: > > > We are at war with someone, but who? > > They are going to regret this. > > You can't go to war with a terrorist organization. You have to give them > autonomy over their own territory and wait for them to attack you, and > then not attack them cause the US says so. > > Ok, I'm a bit bitter. I leave one terror-ridden country and now it follows > me here. Maybe now the US will realize what terrorism really is and > actually fight against it. > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From fertch at mninter.net Tue Sep 11 12:15:12 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Networked PPP connection issue In-Reply-To: <3B9DF504.61820FB0@earthlink.net> References: <01091012352001.00537@bleys> <3B9DF504.61820FB0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <01091112151202.01818@bleys> On Tuesday 11 September 2001 06:27, Paul Rech wrote: > Shawn Fertch wrote: > > Problem: I have a home LAN comprised of various OS machines (Slack 8, > > Free BSD 4.2, Solaris 8, Win9x, Win2k), with the gateway machine having > > Slack 8 and an external 56k modem as my connection to the internet. The > > gateway machine has all of the connection information in there correctly, > > and I added the following lines to the end of my rc.local file for the > > internal machines to get outside: > > I'm not a network guy, so be warned. > I've been running a similar LAN for a long time with no problems. > But I have the ipchains script on the gateway machine only. Not on any > internal machines. > > /sbin/ipchains -P forward DENY > /sbin/ipchains -A forward -s 192.168.0.0/24 -j MASQ > > Then I dial up with ppp on that gateway machine, like any other ppp > connection. > > Sounds like you have a PPP connection problem also, that is separate from > the LAN configuration. > Can't help you there. > > Paul Rech Thanks Paul. One thing, the gateway is the only machine that I have the ipchains rules and PPP on. I'm trying to get that one to connect first, then worry about the internal LAN connection. Rereading what I wrote, it sounds confusing but only the connection information is on the gateway. I'm not certain though that it's a PPP issue. I think it's a network protocol issue and I'm not sure where or how to figure out how to get past it. Shawn From spencer at sihope.com Tue Sep 11 12:57:05 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] samba In-Reply-To: References: <20010911092333.363543a6.spencer@sihope.com> Message-ID: <20010911125705.49a7d9f1.spencer@sihope.com> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:51:49 -0500 "James Spinti" wrote: > I would suggest you keep the encryption turned on and hack the registry of > the older machine(s) to allow encryption. The instructions are referenced > in smb.conf under encryption (I think it is security.txt). I read that file. And there are some pro's and con's to encryption. Maybe I missread the file, but it said cleartext does not pass over the network. I did not fully understand that (and did not re-reread it). It also made the arguement that if you are using ftp or telnet or the like you are already using clear text. I first need functionality then security. I know this is not the best position to take, but this lan is behind a firewall with mainly trusted users. -- SpencerUnderground ||mailto:spencer@sihope.com|| "I have no doubt that it is part of the destiny of the human race in its gradual development to leave off the eating of animals, as surely as the savage tribes have left off eating each other when they came in contact with the more civilized." Henry David Thoreau From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Tue Sep 11 15:40:40 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] samba In-Reply-To: <20010911125705.49a7d9f1.spencer@sihope.com> Message-ID: |> I would suggest you keep the encryption turned on and hack the |registry of |> the older machine(s) to allow encryption. The instructions are |referenced |> in smb.conf under encryption (I think it is security.txt). | |I read that file. And there are some pro's and con's to |encryption. Maybe I missread the file, but it said cleartext does |not pass over the network. I did not fully understand that (and |did not re-reread it). It also made the arguement that if you are |using ftp or telnet or the like you are already using clear text. |I first need functionality then security. I know this is not the |best position to take, but this lan is behind a firewall with |mainly trusted users. One of the main reasons I say use encrypted is because it is easier on the sysadmin :) You only have to change the older Win3.X/Win95 version 1 machines. Otherwise you have to remember to change every new machine/rebuild. If you have more than 5 machines, that gets old, especially if you have to rebuild them very often--we have a policy of wiping the drive every time a new employee gets a machine, easier than trying to clean them up :) From Ben at WorksCited.Net Tue Sep 11 16:05:30 2001 From: Ben at WorksCited.Net (Ben Stallings) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] getting rpm to recognize libraries Message-ID: <01091116053002.02177@Romana> Hello, here's another remedial question from a beginner... fair warning... I'm trying to install quanta 2.0, but RPM keeps saying error: failed dependencies: libcrypto.so.0 is needed by quanta-2.0-20010216 libssl.so.0 is needed by quanta-2.0-20010216 I have libcrypto.so.0.9.6 and the same version of libssl.so in /usr/lib. I tried symlinking these to the filenames that RPM is apparently looking for, but it wasn't fooled; nor did copying the newer files to these filenames work. Do I have to downgrade libcrypto.so and libssl.so, or is there a way to get RPM to recognize the newer libraries? --Ben (running Yellow Dog Linux 2.0, and yes, this is the PPC version of the software.) From florin at iucha.net Tue Sep 11 16:19:48 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] getting rpm to recognize libraries In-Reply-To: <01091116053002.02177@Romana>; from Ben@WorksCited.Net on Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 04:05:30PM -0500 References: <01091116053002.02177@Romana> Message-ID: <20010911161947.B7259@beaver.iucha.org> On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 04:05:30PM -0500, Ben Stallings wrote: > Hello, here's another remedial question from a beginner... fair warning... > > I'm trying to install quanta 2.0, but RPM keeps saying > error: failed dependencies: > libcrypto.so.0 is needed by quanta-2.0-20010216 > libssl.so.0 is needed by quanta-2.0-20010216 > > I have libcrypto.so.0.9.6 and the same version of libssl.so in /usr/lib. I > tried symlinking these to the filenames that RPM is apparently looking for, > but it wasn't fooled; nor did copying the newer files to these filenames work. > > Do I have to downgrade libcrypto.so and libssl.so, or is there a way to get > RPM to recognize the newer libraries? --Ben (running Yellow Dog Linux 2.0, > and yes, this is the PPC version of the software.) Hmmm.. what does rpm -q openssl give you? florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From nate at techie.com Tue Sep 11 16:28:18 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] getting rpm to recognize libraries In-Reply-To: <01091116053002.02177@Romana>; from Ben@WorksCited.Net on Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 04:05:30PM -0500 References: <01091116053002.02177@Romana> Message-ID: <20010911162818.A23409@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 04:05:30PM -0500, Ben Stallings wrote: > Hello, here's another remedial question from a beginner... fair warning... > > I'm trying to install quanta 2.0, but RPM keeps saying > error: failed dependencies: > libcrypto.so.0 is needed by quanta-2.0-20010216 > libssl.so.0 is needed by quanta-2.0-20010216 > > I have libcrypto.so.0.9.6 and the same version of libssl.so in /usr/lib. I > tried symlinking these to the filenames that RPM is apparently looking for, > but it wasn't fooled; nor did copying the newer files to these filenames work. There's a option for RPM by the name of '--nodeps' that skips these checks. You should only use it when you're sure you know what you're doing. It looks like a good time for you to use it since you've already checked the dependencies. Nate From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Tue Sep 11 23:41:33 2001 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ot In-Reply-To: <20010911162818.A23409@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: Only cowards attack civilians, attack people that won't fight back. Death to the Taliban, death to the terrorists that they support. Anywhere where it is legal to kill your wife but not divorce her, is messed up. Where nuns can be executed for running a hospital for the poor and outcast. Where christians, homosexuals, vagrents, mentally handycapped, and the poor are systemattically persecuted and executed. Does this sound familiar, it should... Hitler 1933 The sick part is that these bastards will soil the name of all of the islamic faith, Sunni and Shi'i alike, in the minds of many of us. We can not allow ourselves to sink to the level of these mindwashed fools. These are not men of god, just those who use his name in the quest for greed, death, and power. It is certainlly the greatest sin that any follower of god, Christian, Jew, or Muslim, can commit is to kill in his name. This is no better than the atrocities committed by Christians in the crusades an the inquisition, and the treatment of Palestinians by Christians and Jews. I am not very religious but if there is a hell, or just an absence of god's grace I do not see a better way to get there than by the acts of terrorism we have seen today. I do not advocate the killing these people in the name of god, but in the name of justice, and those innocent lives that we will save through our actions. I believe that the US is a far from perfect goverment, but it is better than anything else that civilization has seen. We let Hitler kill millions, Stalin kill 40 million, and Mao kill 60 million, we can not allow another totalitarian state to elevate itself upon the corpses of the innocent. Death to the terrorists! Death to Osama bin Laden leading them! death to the Taliban, Palestinian factions, and Iraqi goverment for supporting him! We can only hope that the people of Afganistan, Palestine, Iraq will find liberation, freedom and democracy like we have. It will not be found in the death of the innocent, but only in the total destruction of such forces as the Taliban. Colin Kilbane From brian at ghostreactor.com Tue Sep 11 23:47:48 2001 From: brian at ghostreactor.com (Brian Riesgraf) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ot In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ummmmmmmmmmm k. Brian Riesgraf Ghost Reactor Industries www.ghostreactor.com On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Colin Kilbane wrote: > Only cowards attack civilians, attack people that won't fight back. Death > to the Taliban, death to the terrorists that they support. Anywhere > where it is legal to kill your wife but not divorce her, is messed up. > Where nuns can be executed for running a hospital for the poor and > outcast. Where christians, homosexuals, vagrents, mentally handycapped, > and the poor are systemattically persecuted and executed. Does this sound > familiar, it should... Hitler 1933 > The sick part is that these bastards will soil the name of all of the > islamic faith, Sunni and Shi'i alike, in the minds of many of us. We can > not allow ourselves to sink to the level of these mindwashed fools. These > are not men of god, just those who use his name in the quest for greed, > death, and power. It is certainlly the greatest sin that any follower of > god, Christian, Jew, or Muslim, can commit is to kill in his name. This is > no better than the atrocities committed by Christians in the crusades an > the inquisition, and the treatment of Palestinians by Christians and Jews. > I am not very religious but if there is a hell, or just an absence of > god's grace I do not see a better way to get there than by the acts of > terrorism we have seen today. I do not advocate the killing these people > in the name of god, but in the name of justice, and those innocent lives > that we will save through our actions. I believe that the US is a far from > perfect goverment, but it is better than anything else that civilization > has seen. We let Hitler kill millions, Stalin kill 40 million, and Mao > kill 60 million, we can not allow another totalitarian state to elevate > itself upon the corpses of the innocent. > > Death to the terrorists! Death to Osama bin Laden leading them! death to > the Taliban, Palestinian factions, and Iraqi goverment for supporting him! > We can only hope that the people of Afganistan, Palestine, Iraq > will find liberation, freedom and democracy like we have. It will not be > found in the death of the innocent, but only in the total destruction of > such forces as the Taliban. > > Colin Kilbane > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Sep 12 00:11:44 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ot In-Reply-To: References: <20010911162818.A23409@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20010912001144.D18850@ringworld.org> > familiar, it should... Hitler 1933 This thread is now dead due to Godwin's law. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Wed Sep 12 00:24:12 2001 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ot In-Reply-To: <20010912001144.D18850@ringworld.org> Message-ID: Sorry needed to vent, I'm from NY. I'm just wondering if and how many of my freinds were murdered today. My best friend just found out that her best freind and housemate from undergraduste is dead. Fairview put her on valium. Colin Kilbane From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Sep 12 00:48:59 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ot In-Reply-To: References: <20010912001144.D18850@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010912004859.F18850@ringworld.org> * Colin Kilbane [010912 00:29]: > Sorry needed to vent, I'm from NY. I'm just wondering if and how many of > my freinds were murdered today. My best friend just found out that her Like i said, lets kill this thread now. I'm sick of all the hate over this towards unfounded and unconfirmed things. Worse yet, this is TCLUG, not vent-about-attacks. Use IRC for that or something. So, can we please keep the ot stuff to a minimum? I can find this stuff if I really want to. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From spencer at sihope.com Wed Sep 12 00:52:26 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ot In-Reply-To: <20010912004859.F18850@ringworld.org> References: <20010912001144.D18850@ringworld.org> <20010912004859.F18850@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010912005226.71f32f72.spencer@sihope.com> On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 00:48:59 -0500 Scott Dier wrote: > * Colin Kilbane [010912 00:29]: > > Sorry needed to vent, I'm from NY. I'm just wondering if and how many of > > my freinds were murdered today. My best friend just found out that her > > Like i said, lets kill this thread now. > Lets just figure out a way to incorporate this into Linux. That seems like the logical move. This _will_ change the coarse of mankind much faster and for much longer than any technology. It must be embraced, not ignored. There will be thousands of networks to rebuild. There is alot of work and restructure to be done. Why not put Linux into the forefront of the battle. The time is now. The time is unprecedented. -- SpencerUnderground ameriKKKa Under Attack ||mailto:spencer@real-time.com|| http://autonomous.tv/book.html From destef at destef.com Wed Sep 12 07:02:22 2001 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ot In-Reply-To: <20010912001144.D18850@ringworld.org> References: <20010911162818.A23409@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <200109121201.f8CC1ug18550@ernie.destef.com> Hey scott, who Godwin and what's his law? Help out a nieve chump here. At 12:11 AM 9/12/01 -0500, you wrote: >> familiar, it should... Hitler 1933 > >This thread is now dead due to Godwin's law. > >-- >Scott Dier >http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Sep 12 08:12:57 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ot In-Reply-To: <200109121201.f8CC1ug18550@ernie.destef.com> References: <20010911162818.A23409@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <200109121201.f8CC1ug18550@ernie.destef.com> Message-ID: <20010912081257.H18850@ringworld.org> Essentially, when hitler becomes part of the thread in a non-trying-to-kill-the-thread-way, the thread generally dies. * Jason DeStefano [010912 08:09]: > Hey scott, who Godwin and what's his law? Help out a > nieve chump here. > >> familiar, it should... Hitler 1933 > >This thread is now dead due to Godwin's law. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From florin at iucha.net Wed Sep 12 08:22:16 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ot In-Reply-To: ; from colin@tyr.med.umn.edu on Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 11:41:33PM -0500 References: <20010911162818.A23409@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20010912082216.A29745@beaver.iucha.org> I am sorry but this is getting too far. I am neither a Jew or a Palestinian, neither I do have friends or relatives that are... On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 11:41:33PM -0500, Colin Kilbane wrote: > Only cowards attack civilians, attack people that won't fight back. Hiroshima? Nagasaki? > Death > to the Taliban, death to the terrorists that they support. Anywhere > where it is legal to kill your wife but not divorce her, is messed up. > Where nuns can be executed for running a hospital for the poor and > outcast. Where christians, homosexuals, vagrents, mentally handycapped, > and the poor are systemattically persecuted and executed. Does this sound > familiar, it should... Hitler 1933 > The sick part is that these bastards will soil the name of all of the > islamic faith, Sunni and Shi'i alike, in the minds of many of us. We can > not allow ourselves to sink to the level of these mindwashed fools. These > are not men of god, just those who use his name in the quest for greed, > death, and power. It is certainlly the greatest sin that any follower of > god, Christian, Jew, or Muslim, can commit is to kill in his name. This is > no better than the atrocities committed by Christians in the crusades an > the inquisition, and the treatment of Palestinians by Christians and Jews. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Good point. The problem of this cowards is that they have light guns against tanks, artillery, gunships, fighter jets and sattelites. Do you expect them to follow the international war laws? Why not ask Israel first to respect the UN resolutions and UN Security Council resolution dating back from the '50-'60 for a division of Palestina and division of the Jerusalem? The Palestinians know they will going to die. Sooner or later. They were herded away from the land of their fathers into the encampaments where they subsist on the crumbles thrown them by the Arab states and UN. There are people there born in this precarious state. People that were born for one purpose: to be the last soldiers of Allah. Who give all that technology to Israel? Who is financially helping Israel each year to the tune of billions of dollars? From what money? _TAX_ _PAYER_ dollars my friend: that's you and me... > I am not very religious but if there is a hell, or just an absence of > god's grace I do not see a better way to get there than by the acts of > terrorism we have seen today. By Khoran, whomever dies fighting in Allah's name will get by his right, in Heaven. > I do not advocate the killing these people > in the name of god, but in the name of justice, They were dead... They are dead... If Americans b0mb their concentration camps they will just hurry the conclusion, for they are sold and slaughtered already. > and those innocent lives > that we will save through our actions. I believe that the US is a far from > perfect goverment, but it is better than anything else that civilization > has seen. We let Hitler kill millions, Stalin kill 40 million, and Mao > kill 60 million, we can not allow another totalitarian state to elevate > itself upon the corpses of the innocent. _OUR_ innocent you may want to specify. How "concerned" were the Americans about all those killings? > Death to the terrorists! Death to Osama bin Laden leading them! death to > the Taliban, Palestinian factions, and Iraqi goverment for supporting him! > We can only hope that the people of Afganistan, Palestine, Iraq > will find liberation, freedom and democracy like we have. It will not be > found in the death of the innocent, but only in the total destruction of > such forces as the Taliban. A good day, florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From mpaulsen at charter.net Wed Sep 12 08:26:56 2001 From: mpaulsen at charter.net (Mike Paulsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ot In-Reply-To: <200109121201.f8CC1ug18550@ernie.destef.com> References: <20010912001144.D18850@ringworld.org> <20010911162818.A23409@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010912082617.02b17970@pop.charter.net> Godwin's Law [Usenet] "As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one." It goes on to say, "There is a tradition in many groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. Godwin's Law thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper bound on thread length in these groups." At 07:02 AM 9/12/01, you wrote: >Hey scott, who Godwin and what's his law? Help out a >nieve chump here. > >At 12:11 AM 9/12/01 -0500, you wrote: > >> familiar, it should... Hitler 1933 > > > >This thread is now dead due to Godwin's law. From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Sep 12 08:42:35 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ot In-Reply-To: <20010912001144.D18850@ringworld.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Scott Dier wrote: > > familiar, it should... Hitler 1933 > > This thread is now dead due to Godwin's law. Ok, to bring this thread on topic, who here was watching the Fox News channel? I don't know what stations have who's video and who's showing what but yesterday on Fox news, they were replaying all 30 or so video clips over and over. One of the clips was a camera pan through the streets, showing cars, buildings and people covered in dust and debris. One cab that was close to the camera beared a "peace, love and linux" sign, completely unscathed from what I could tell. -Brian From fertch at mninter.net Wed Sep 12 09:18:02 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01091209180200.00241@bleys> On Wednesday 12 September 2001 08:42, Brian wrote: One cab that was close to the camera beared a "peace, love and > linux" sign, completely unscathed from what I could tell. > > -Brian -- Yep, I saw it. Kind of a tragic, and ironic, thing though. --- Shawn "Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do." -Bruce Lee From blayer at qwest.net Wed Sep 12 09:38:08 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ot In-Reply-To: References: <20010911162818.A23409@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20010912093808.3a196811.blayer@qwest.net> On or about Tue, 11 Sep 2001 23:41:33 -0500 (CDT) Colin Kilbane reportedly said... > Only cowards attack civilians, attack people that won't fight back. Death > to the Taliban, death to the terrorists that they support. Disclaimer: This was a typographical error. Replace all instances of 'Taliban' with 'Microsoft' ;) -.bill.layer.- -.let's have a war - we'll bring all the guns.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Sep 12 10:14:01 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ot Message-ID: THIS THREAD IS DEAD!!! This is not a place for such a debate or discussion. There are many sides to the issue I'm sure, and I'm also sure many people DON'T care to read about them here. Anyway, how can you reasonably consider an issue when there is murder in your heart? From amy at real-time.com Wed Sep 12 10:09:23 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rogue DHCP server Message-ID: <20010912100923.Q21158@real-time.com> Any tips for finding a rogue DHCP server, that is a device answering DCHP requests? I'm having a problem where some device must be answering DHCP requests and offering 192.168.1.X addresses, that shouldn't be. Thanks. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Sep 12 10:33:41 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rogue DHCP server Message-ID: Amy, If you have a linux box you can use DHCP on I think it should show up in the logs, but the device might be using a 192.168.1.X address. I would look for a little hardware device that is supposed to just route, serve up printers, or be NAS and it might be on the list of possible culprits. Good luck, Troy >>> amy@real-time.com 09/12/01 10:09AM >>> Any tips for finding a rogue DHCP server, that is a device answering DCHP requests? I'm having a problem where some device must be answering DHCP requests and offering 192.168.1.X addresses, that shouldn't be. Thanks. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amy at real-time.com Wed Sep 12 10:32:36 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rogue DHCP server In-Reply-To: ; from troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us on Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 10:33:41AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010912103236.S21158@real-time.com> On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 10:33:41AM -0500, Troy.A Johnson (troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us) wrote: > Amy, > > If you have a linux box you can use DHCP on I think > it should show up in the logs, but the device might be > using a 192.168.1.X address. > > I would look for a little hardware device that is > supposed to just route, serve up printers, or be NAS > and it might be on the list of possible culprits. Yes, I realize that's probably what it is - in the past I've found ISDN routers and such that do this. However, I'm wondering if there are any tools other than walking around and physically looking for such a device. Tools that might indicate what the device is? -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From dsherman at real-time.com Wed Sep 12 10:53:09 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rogue DHCP server In-Reply-To: <20010912103236.S21158@real-time.com> References: <20010912103236.S21158@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1000309995.3699.2.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> On Wed, 2001-09-12 at 10:32, Amy Tanner wrote: > > Yes, I realize that's probably what it is - in the past I've found > ISDN routers and such that do this. However, I'm wondering if > there are any tools other than walking around and physically looking > for such a device. Tools that might indicate what the device is? > On a Win9x system, you can run winipcfg, click the More Info button, and look at the DHCP server field. This should show the IP address of the DHCP server that provided the current config. I think NT/2000 systems use ipconfig, in a "DOS" window. Dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Secondly, are there any residential grade wireless gateways on the network that might be the culprit. Third, you could try to find the of the DHCPD in question on the client machine that's getting the offending address. winipcfg ( < win98 ) or ipconfig /all from a 2k machine will show this info. If it's a *nix machine there are a few places to look ( can't think of any off the top of my head ) Not sure the best way to find a machine based on IP address. > >Thanks. >-- >Amy Tanner >amy@real-time.com >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. What's the difference between root and God ? God doesn't think that he is root. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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However, I'm wondering if >there are any tools other than walking around and physically looking >for such a device. Tools that might indicate what the device is? nmap? > >-- >Amy Tanner >amy@real-time.com >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. What's the difference between root and God ? God doesn't think that he is root. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The problem has since disappeared, so I guess I'll just keep an eye out for it. Thank you for all the ideas. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From dsherman at real-time.com Wed Sep 12 11:28:27 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Nessus Message-ID: <1000312112.3695.12.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> Anybody using nessus from command line? I got it compiled and installed ok, but the nessus client does not seem to want to work correctly. I'm not really seeing any errors in the logs (syslog, messages). The nessusdaemon is running. When I run the nessus client with the following command: $ nessus 10.0.0.254 3001 dave nessus-hosts nessus-log (3001 appears to be the default port for nessusd, according to the man page. I created the "dave" nessus-user successfully, and my nessus-hosts file contains a single IP address of the host I want to scan. nessus-log does not exist -- I assume nessus will create it?) The first time, it asks for my password, then says that the "host has been saved", or something to that effect. If I run it again, I get an "authentication filed" message. Dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010912/5c36b393/attachment.pgp From dsherman at real-time.com Wed Sep 12 11:44:48 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Nessus In-Reply-To: <1000312112.3695.12.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> References: <1000312112.3695.12.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> Message-ID: <1000313094.7331.14.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> On Wed, 2001-09-12 at 11:28, Dave Sherman wrote: > If I run it again, I get an "authentication filed" message. Sorry, that should be "authentication failed". Dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010912/d65eab0e/attachment.pgp From nassarmu at mctc.mnscu.edu Wed Sep 12 13:41:54 2001 From: nassarmu at mctc.mnscu.edu (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ot Message-ID: I recognize the thread is dead, but i still have to say one thing before it dies. Florin; Thank you... for you have put into words all that I wished to say and more. -munir >>> "Florin Iucha" 09/12/01 08:24 AM >>> I am sorry but this is getting too far. I am neither a Jew or a Palestinian, neither I do have friends or relatives that are... On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 11:41:33PM -0500, Colin Kilbane wrote: > Only cowards attack civilians, attack people that won't fight back. Hiroshima? Nagasaki? > Death > to the Taliban, death to the terrorists that they support. Anywhere > where it is legal to kill your wife but not divorce her, is messed up. > Where nuns can be executed for running a hospital for the poor and > outcast. Where christians, homosexuals, vagrents, mentally handycapped, > and the poor are systemattically persecuted and executed. Does this sound > familiar, it should... Hitler 1933 > The sick part is that these bastards will soil the name of all of the > islamic faith, Sunni and Shi'i alike, in the minds of many of us. We can > not allow ourselves to sink to the level of these mindwashed fools. These > are not men of god, just those who use his name in the quest for greed, > death, and power. It is certainlly the greatest sin that any follower of > god, Christian, Jew, or Muslim, can commit is to kill in his name. This is > no better than the atrocities committed by Christians in the crusades an > the inquisition, and the treatment of Palestinians by Christians and Jews. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Good point. The problem of this cowards is that they have lght guns against tanks, artillery, gunships, fighter jets and sattelites. Do you expect them to follow the international war laws? Why not ask Israel first to respect the UN resolutions and UN Security Council resolution dating back from the '50-'60 for a division of Palestina and division of the Jerusalem? The Palestinians know they will going to die. Sooner or later. They were herded away from the land of their fathers into the encampaments where they subsist on the crumbles thrown them by the Arab states and UN. There are people there born in this precarious state. People that were born for one purpose: to be the last soldiers of Allah. Who give all that technology to Israel? Who is financially helping Israel each year to the tune of billions of dollars? From what money? _TAX_ _PAYER_ dollars my friend: that's you and me... > I am not very religious but if there is a hell, or just an absence of > god's grace I do not see a better way to get there than by the acts of > terrorism we have seen today. By Khoran, whomever dies fighting in Allah's name will get by his right, in Heaven. > I do not advocate the killing these people > in the name of god, but in the name of justice, They were dead... They are dead... If Americans b0mb their concentration camps they will just hurry the conclusion, for they are sold and slaughtered already. > and those innocent lives > that we will save through our actions. I believe that the US is a far from > perfect goverment, but it is better than anything else that civilization > has seen. We let Hitler kill millions, Stalin kill 40 million, and Mao > kill 60 million, we can not allow another totalitarian state to elevate > itself upon the corpses of the innocent. _OUR_ innocent you may want to specify. How "concerned" were the Americans about all those killings? > Death to the terrorists! Death to Osama bin Laden leading them! death to > the Taiban, Palestinian factions, and Iraqi goverment for supporting him! > We can only hope that the people of Afganistan, Palestine, Iraq > will find liberation, freedom and democracy like we have. It will not be > found in the death of the innocent, but only in the total destruction of > such forces as the Taliban. A good day, florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at mctc.mnscu.edu Wed Sep 12 13:48:46 2001 From: nassarmu at mctc.mnscu.edu (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rogue DHCP server Message-ID: I had this problem once, here is how we resolved the problem run Winipcfg and find the Servers IP address Ping the address from a machine plugged into your backbone start unplugging segments from your network, when ping fails the you have narrowed it down to a segment... now if you cannot ping (if it is an invalid IP for example) keep requesting IPaddresses while you unplug segments... I think this may be the brute force way of doing things, but it works... -munir >>> Amy Tanner 09/12/01 10:21 AM >>> Any tips for finding a rogue DHCP server, that is a device answering DCHP requests? I'm having a problem where some device must be answering DHCP requests and offering 192.168.1.X addresses, that shouldn't be. Thanks. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at greentechnologist.org Wed Sep 12 14:00:34 2001 From: josh at greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rogue DHCP server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Perhaps I'm being naive here but couldn't you run tcpdump, make dhcp requests and watch for replies? That seems like a much more straight forward proposition than hunting around by unplugging cables. Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free speech is simply staggering." - someone else On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Munir Nassar wrote: > I had this problem once, here is how we resolved the problem > > run Winipcfg and find the Servers IP address > Ping the address from a machine plugged into your backbone > start unplugging segments from your network, when ping fails the you have narrowed it down to a segment... > > now if you cannot ping (if it is an invalid IP for example) keep requesting IPaddresses while you unplug segments... > > I think this may be the brute force way of doing things, but it works... > > -munir > > >>> Amy Tanner 09/12/01 10:21 AM >>> > Any tips for finding a rogue DHCP server, that is a device answering > DCHP requests? I'm having a problem where some device must be answering > DHCP requests and offering 192.168.1.X addresses, that shouldn't be. > > Thanks. > -- > Amy Tanner > amy@real-time.com > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Sep 12 14:16:44 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ot - Die, thread! DIE!!! Message-ID: By golly Munir, I have to say that by the evidence I see here, you DON'T _really_ recognize the thread is dead. Additionally, neither you nor Florin seem to recognize that these "points" are now, for most, "moot points". Die, thread! DIE!!! >>> nassarmu@mctc.mnscu.edu 09/12/01 01:41PM >>> I recognize the thread is dead, but i still have to say one thing before it dies. Florin; Thank you... for you have put into words all that I wished to say and more. From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Sep 12 14:37:56 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rogue DHCP server Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDEA7@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> What I've done is start tcpdump and initiate a dhcp request. Hopefully the rogue one responds first, if so, you take it's MAC address, and log into your switch (if it's managed), and view the arp table to see which port it's plugged into. > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua b. Jore [mailto:josh@greentechnologist.org] > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 2:01 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Cc: amy@real-time.com > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] rogue DHCP server > > > Perhaps I'm being naive here but couldn't you run tcpdump, > make dhcp requests and watch for replies? That seems like a > much more straight forward proposition than hunting around by > unplugging cables. > > Joshua Jore > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United > States and longing to return to once-Communist Russia so he > can regain his right to free speech is simply staggering." - > someone else > > On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Munir Nassar wrote: > > > I had this problem once, here is how we resolved the problem > > > > run Winipcfg and find the Servers IP address > > Ping the address from a machine plugged into your backbone start > > unplugging segments from your network, when ping fails the you have > > narrowed it down to a segment... > > > > now if you cannot ping (if it is an invalid IP for example) keep > > requesting IPaddresses while you unplug segments... > > > > I think this may be the brute force way of doing things, but it > > works... > > > > -munir > > > > >>> Amy Tanner 09/12/01 10:21 AM >>> > > Any tips for finding a rogue DHCP server, that is a device > answering > > DCHP requests? I'm having a problem where some device must be > > answering DHCP requests and offering 192.168.1.X addresses, that > > shouldn't be. > > > > Thanks. > > -- > > Amy Tanner > > amy@real-time.com _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From natecars at real-time.com Wed Sep 12 14:52:33 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 802.11b: Sniffing for ESSID Message-ID: Anyone figured out a way to sniff 802.11b (unencrypted) networks under Linux to identify ESSID, etc? Something similar to NetStumbler under Windows? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Sep 12 15:12:41 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 802.11b: Sniffing for ESSID In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 02:52:33PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010912151241.B14272@llama.sistina.com> On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 02:52:33PM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: >Anyone figured out a way to sniff 802.11b (unencrypted) networks under >Linux to identify ESSID, etc? Something similar to NetStumbler under >Windows? airsort? > >-- >Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 >http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. 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Paul suggested a couple of things, but didn't work. Anyone else? Nate, Carl, Bob, etc? I've been reading through the different HOW-TO's to try and figure a problem out. I posted a little bit ago asking this question, but didn't receive an answer. I really need to get this going but can't find the answer to what I'm looking for in the how-to's. Problem: I have a home LAN comprised of various OS machines (Slack 8, Free BSD 4.2, Solaris 8, Win9x, Win2k), with the gateway machine having Slack 8 and an external 56k modem as my connection to the internet. The gateway machine has all of the connection information in there correctly, and I added the following lines to the end of my rc.local file for the internal machines to get outside: ipchains -P forward DENY ipchains -A forward -i ppp0 -j MASQ With this machine connected to my LAN, I can get it to dial. I hear the ISP pickup and the handshake begin. However, the modem hangs up because it can't get authorization. I'm assuming that it's because when my system is trying to authenticate to the ISP it's attempting to from my LAN instead of the ISP. I ran into this once before on my laptop, but I just disabled my LAN and redialed. However with the box that's dialing being my gateway, that isn't an option. Below is the closest thing to an answer that I can find/think of that might be causing this issue. IIRC, this came out of the PPPD how-to. <> I've read the Networking and Net How-to's but didn't seem find anything that addresses this issue. Can someone tell me if this is the cause of my issue why I can't successfully connect to my ISP through modem dial-in? I used to have ISDN with this working, but I don't recall what I did previously or where I got the information. Also, the box has been reloaded since I got rid of my ISDN. From natecars at real-time.com Wed Sep 12 15:48:07 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PPP issues In-Reply-To: <01091215331800.05155@bleys> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Shawn Fertch wrote: > With this machine connected to my LAN, I can get it to dial. I hear the ISP > pickup and the handshake begin. However, the modem hangs up because it can't > get authorization. I'm assuming that it's because when my system is trying > to authenticate to the ISP it's attempting to from my LAN instead of the ISP. > I ran into this once before on my laptop, but I just disabled my LAN and > redialed. However with the box that's dialing being my gateway, that isn't > an option. Anything from /var/log/syslog? Generally, you can get away without specifying the local + remote IP addresses.. pppd will fill them in itself. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Sep 12 15:54:03 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PPP issues Message-ID: This is confusing. Authentication with PPP is separate from other forms of authentication. If your modem is hanging up because you can't get authorization, you have a PPP problem, period. Ignore the routing/masqing/other issues until this one is resolved. Try connecting to the ISP using other boxes, OSes, what have you. Make sure the authentication method is the same (clear, chap, pap, ...) and that your credentials work. Then move on to PPP options. Who is the ISP? >>> fertch@mninter.net 09/12/01 03:33PM >>> With this machine connected to my LAN, I can get it to dial. I hear the ISP pickup and the handshake begin. However, the modem hangs up because it can't get authorization. I'm assuming that it's because when my system is trying to authenticate to the ISP it's attempting to from my LAN instead of the ISP. From kbongers at mninter.net Wed Sep 12 17:02:19 2001 From: kbongers at mninter.net (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PPP issues References: <01091215331800.05155@bleys> Message-ID: <3B9FDB6B.5030408@mninter.net> Shawn, like some others have said: break the problem set into smaller more managable units. Get PPP working on the machine with the modem, then get your routing to other machines working. PPP can be troublesome, too many options amongst too many components(ppp, chat, modem-inits, authentification, ...). General strategy is to get modem connection up first by hand using minicom, observe type of authentification (can you enter username,password? or does binary ppp string pop out?) then invoke pppd with various guesses at options (pppd-command line, etc/ppp/options, etc/ppp/options.ttysX). Turn on pppd debug logging options: debug, kdebug 7. Look at /var/log/messsages for clues. Once link is established, try pinging the ip number of your DNS server, or the remote modems ip address. cheers, Karl. Shawn Fertch wrote: > Still looking for an answer to this. Paul suggested a couple of things, but > didn't work. Anyone else? Nate, Carl, Bob, etc? > > I've been reading through the different HOW-TO's to try and figure a problem > out. I posted a little bit ago asking this question, but didn't receive an > answer. I really need to get this going but can't find the answer to what > I'm looking for in the how-to's. > > Problem: I have a home LAN comprised of various OS machines (Slack 8, Free > BSD 4.2, Solaris 8, Win9x, Win2k), with the gateway machine having Slack 8 > and an external 56k modem as my connection to the internet. The gateway > machine has all of the connection information in there correctly, and I added > the following lines to the end of my rc.local file for the internal machines > to get outside: > > > ipchains -P forward DENY > ipchains -A forward -i ppp0 -j MASQ > > > With this machine connected to my LAN, I can get it to dial. I hear the ISP > pickup and the handshake begin. However, the modem hangs up because it can't > get authorization. I'm assuming that it's because when my system is trying > to authenticate to the ISP it's attempting to from my LAN instead of the ISP. > I ran into this once before on my laptop, but I just disabled my LAN and > redialed. However with the box that's dialing being my gateway, that isn't > an option. > > Below is the closest thing to an answer that I can find/think of that might > be causing this issue. IIRC, this came out of the PPPD how-to. > > < there no matter how you start pppd is this: '192.0.2.1:XXX.XXX.XX.XX'. > What this is is 'localIPaddress:remoteIPaddress'. You need it there > because normally pppd can fill in the blank itself, but fails when > connecting to an emulator.>> > > I've read the Networking and Net How-to's but didn't seem find anything that > addresses this issue. Can someone tell me if this is the cause of my issue > why I can't successfully connect to my ISP through modem dial-in? I used to > have ISDN with this working, but I don't recall what I did previously or > where I got the information. Also, the box has been reloaded since I got rid > of my ISDN. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Sep 12 18:50:29 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 802.11b: Sniffing for ESSID Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDEA8@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> IBM had a tool that did what you want, but I don't know if they released it publically. They had it running on an Ipaq with linux. You'll have to search for it though. Airsnort is strictly for cracking the WEP key. You use the capture program to grab enough interesting packets (usually have to sniff from 100MB to a gig to get enough), and then you run the crack on the data you have collected. If you've collected enough, it will crack the key in about 1 second. If you don't have enough, you can change the breadth to guess, but this can take a LONG time. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Nate Carlson [mailto:natecars@real-time.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 3:21 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] 802.11b: Sniffing for ESSID On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Ben Lutgens wrote: > airsort? airsnort doesn't appear to do crap on unencrypted networks.. basically, from what i've gleaned by running it, it just saves the "interesting" packets, which can be later decrypted. if there's no encryption, there's no interesting packets. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Wed Sep 12 21:58:56 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PPP issues In-Reply-To: <01091215331800.05155@bleys> References: <01091215331800.05155@bleys> Message-ID: <20010912215856.B18838@fandre.com> Can you provide us with more information about your ISP, like what type of authenticaton they use? Also what you are using to connect? If you are using scripts, post what you have. Plus any error messages you get from syslog. Finally your username/password for your ISP. (J/K) On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Shawn Fertch wrote: > Still looking for an answer to this. Paul suggested a couple of things, but > didn't work. Anyone else? Nate, Carl, Bob, etc? > > I've been reading through the different HOW-TO's to try and figure a problem > out. I posted a little bit ago asking this question, but didn't receive an > answer. I really need to get this going but can't find the answer to what > I'm looking for in the how-to's. > > Problem: I have a home LAN comprised of various OS machines (Slack 8, Free > BSD 4.2, Solaris 8, Win9x, Win2k), with the gateway machine having Slack 8 > and an external 56k modem as my connection to the internet. The gateway > machine has all of the connection information in there correctly, and I added > the following lines to the end of my rc.local file for the internal machines > to get outside: > > > ipchains -P forward DENY > ipchains -A forward -i ppp0 -j MASQ > > > With this machine connected to my LAN, I can get it to dial. I hear the ISP > pickup and the handshake begin. However, the modem hangs up because it can't > get authorization. I'm assuming that it's because when my system is trying > to authenticate to the ISP it's attempting to from my LAN instead of the ISP. > I ran into this once before on my laptop, but I just disabled my LAN and > redialed. However with the box that's dialing being my gateway, that isn't > an option. > > Below is the closest thing to an answer that I can find/think of that might > be causing this issue. IIRC, this came out of the PPPD how-to. > > < there no matter how you start pppd is this: '192.0.2.1:XXX.XXX.XX.XX'. > What this is is 'localIPaddress:remoteIPaddress'. You need it there > because normally pppd can fill in the blank itself, but fails when > connecting to an emulator.>> > > I've read the Networking and Net How-to's but didn't seem find anything that > addresses this issue. Can someone tell me if this is the cause of my issue > why I can't successfully connect to my ISP through modem dial-in? I used to > have ISDN with this working, but I don't recall what I did previously or > where I got the information. Also, the box has been reloaded since I got rid > of my ISDN. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From fertch at mninter.net Wed Sep 12 22:45:05 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PPP issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01091222450500.00235@bleys> On Wednesday 12 September 2001 15:48, Nate Carlson wrote: > Anything from /var/log/syslog? > > Generally, you can get away without specifying the local + remote IP > addresses.. pppd will fill them in itself. -- No. Well, nothing that's ppp related. Although, after rebuilding this machine and looking at the syslog... Sep 11 03:42:39 kernel: Symbol table has incorrect version number. What the heck??? Anyways, getting back to PPP. No. Here's what I get: #: ppp-on #: Serial connection established. Using interface ppp0 Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS0 LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests then after a couple of minutes of doing nothing I get: Modem hangup Connection terminated Checking logs again, nothing. Troy wrote: <> That's what I'm doing. Was doing those other things at the same time being that I was modifying the files. Trying to kill two birds with one stone per se. <> I have and can successfully. I can take my chat scripts with PAP authentication, secrets and options* files move between two other boxes (all slack 8) and connect. I can even connect with Win2k, Win98se, and any other multitudes of systems. The ISP is MNInter.net (aka Infinetivity), but it also won't connect to the RAS box at work which I can also connect to using any other box that's standalone. When looking at /var/log/messages: Sep 11 03:48:22 glyndale kernel: registered device ppp0 Sep 11 03:48:22 glyndale pppd[233]: pppd 2.4.1 started by root, uid 0 Sep 11 03:48:23 glyndale chat[234]: timeout set to 60 seconds Sep 11 03:48:23 glyndale chat[234]: abort on (ERROR) Sep 11 03:48:23 glyndale chat[234]: abort on (BUSY) Sep 11 03:48:23 glyndale chat[234]: abort on (NO CARRIER) Sep 11 03:48:23 glyndale chat[234]: abort on (NO DIALTONE) Sep 11 03:48:23 glyndale chat[234]: send (AT&FH0^M) Sep 11 03:48:23 glyndale chat[234]: expect (OK) Sep 11 03:48:24 glyndale chat[234]: AT&FH0^M^M Sep 11 03:48:24 glyndale chat[234]: OK Sep 11 03:48:24 glyndale chat[234]: -- got it Sep 11 03:48:24 glyndale chat[234]: send (atdt^M) Sep 11 03:48:24 glyndale chat[234]: timeout set to 75 seconds Sep 11 03:48:24 glyndale chat[234]: expect (CONNECT) Sep 11 03:48:24 glyndale chat[234]: ^M Sep 11 03:48:53 glyndale chat[234]: atdt^M^M Sep 11 03:48:53 glyndale chat[234]: CONNECT Sep 11 03:48:53 glyndale chat[234]: -- got it Sep 11 03:48:53 glyndale pppd[233]: Serial connection established. Sep 11 03:48:53 glyndale pppd[233]: Using interface ppp0 Sep 11 03:48:53 glyndale pppd[233]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS0 Sep 11 03:49:39 glyndale pppd[233]: Modem hangup Sep 11 03:49:39 glyndale pppd[233]: Connection terminated. Sep 11 03:49:40 glyndale pppd[233]: Exit. Sep 11 04:13:53 glyndale kernel: UMSDOS 0.85i (compatibility level 0.4, fast msdos) Totally mind boggling.... --- Shawn From jay at slushpupie.com Wed Sep 12 22:46:39 2001 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows Cheat Code Discovered Message-ID: <20010913034649.KHJE18062.femail25.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> from http://www.segfault.org/story.phtml?mode=2&id=3b8e877a-07b50980 Windows Cheat Code Discovered Productivity went up by 600% in the offices of British Telecom today as one of the employees had discovered a cheat code for Microsoft Windows. After the discovery he immediately sent emails out to his office friends to tellt hem about it, and soon they were all cheating their way through it. The cheat enables 'God mode', which means the player becomes invulnerable to attacks from Windows' monsters. Monsters include the fatal exception, the illegal operation, and of course, the dreaded blue screen of death. The BT employee who discovered the cheat said, "It was extremely liberating to have illegal ops and BSODs coming at me from all directions, and knowing that they couldn't hurt me." He completed Windows in less than an hour, and was then able to get on with his work without interruption from the monsters. Microsoft suggests that gamers should have played through Windows at least once before using the cheats; otherwise you will lose much of the fun of trying to outwit the Windows monsters. Segfault has noted that under US law, the BT employee would've been liable to have produced a tool which enables the circumvention of a copyright protection system. It is for this reason that Segfault has declined to reproduce the cheat code on its pages. Microsoft has previously made available some of its lesser cheat codes. Here is one that lets you invoke your own monster. Set the registry entry HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\i8042prt\Parameters\CrashOnCtrlScroll to 1 and reboot. You can then liven up your gaming experiance by creating more monsters by pressing Right Ctrl + Scroll Lock twice (WinNT/2K/XP only). Here, for your edification, are pictures of some of the monsters (without the cheat code enabled) http://www.wackyb.co.nz/images/yahoovb.jpg http://www.wackyb.co.nz/images/yahooerrornxt.jpg http://www.wackyb.co.nz/images/yahooerror5.jpg http://www.wackyb.co.nz/images/yahooerror12.jpg http://www.wackyb.co.nz/images/debug_error.jpg http://www.daimyo.org/bsod/images/20010504-set2_8_464x214.jpg -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- Q: How many Martians does it take to screw in a lightbulb? A: One and a half. From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Sep 12 23:03:15 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows Cheat Code Discovered In-Reply-To: <20010913034649.KHJE18062.femail25.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Message-ID: ROTFL I hope this one WAS meant for the list (: On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Jay Kline wrote: > from http://www.segfault.org/story.phtml?mode=2&id=3b8e877a-07b50980 From Ben at WorksCited.Net Wed Sep 12 23:36:01 2001 From: Ben at WorksCited.Net (Ben Stallings) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] getting rpm to recognize libraries In-Reply-To: <20010911161947.B7259@beaver.iucha.org> References: <01091116053002.02177@Romana> <20010911161947.B7259@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <01091223360106.00702@Romana> On Tuesday 11 September 2001 04:19, Florin wrote: > > Hmmm.. what does > rpm -q openssl > give you? openssl-0.9.6-3 and ls /usr/lib/libssl* gets me: /usr/lib/libssl.a /usr/lib/libssl.so.0 /usr/lib/libssl.so.1 /usr/lib/libssl.so /usr/lib/libssl.so.0.9.6 where the .a file is an archive, the 0.9.6 file is a shared object, and the rest are symlinks to the 0.9.6 file. I tried doing an rpm -i --nodeps as Nate suggested, and rpm ran without complaint, but I can't find the Quanta program itself. Does anyone out there use Quanta? Where does it hide?? --Ben From ray at lctn.k12.mn.us Thu Sep 13 05:02:15 2001 From: ray at lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] creating a share for windows Message-ID: <010801c13c3b$2b2e0da0$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> I am running Redhat 7.x. I would like to create a share on Linux that allows me to save files from my windows workstation to it to i. What would I have to do for this? Thanks Raymond Norton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Does anyone out there > use Quanta? Where does it hide?? --Ben > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list If you want to find out where the program lives, use 'rpm -qpv file.rpm'. It will show you the contents of the rpm file. -- Jim Kaufman mailto:jmk@kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us home: 952-934-4851 fax: 952-937-9832 From steveg at transition.com Thu Sep 13 07:15:59 2001 From: steveg at transition.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows Cheat Code Discovered Message-ID: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBFEE@postman.transition.com> Thanks Jay. I needed a laugh. -----Original Message----- From: Jay Kline [mailto:jay@slushpupie.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:47 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Cc: Chrissy Showers; Jeff Gallus; Kevin Nagle Subject: [TCLUG] Windows Cheat Code Discovered from http://www.segfault.org/story.phtml?mode=2&id=3b8e877a-07b50980 Windows Cheat Code Discovered http://www.slushpupie.com -- Q: How many Martians does it take to screw in a lightbulb? A: One and a half. _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Thu Sep 13 07:20:55 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] weird mouse behavior Message-ID: Hey everyone, Anybody had trouble with a Logitech optical mouse (using PS/2 adaptor), XFree 4.1.0, and a Matrox G450? I've got X configured and displaying properly, but I have trouble with my mouse pointer jumping randomly around the screen, buttons apparently being pushed (without me doing it), and random mouse scrolling. The problem doesn't occur all the time, but often enough that it's a major pain in the rear. I have the same setup at home except I have a G400 instead of a G450, and it works fine there. Any ideas? BTW, I tried using a regular PS/2 mouse and the generic "PS/2" option in my XF86Config-4 file, but nothing really changed. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From nate at techie.com Thu Sep 13 07:31:14 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] getting rpm to recognize libraries In-Reply-To: <01091223360106.00702@Romana>; from Ben@WorksCited.Net on Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 11:36:01PM -0500 References: <01091116053002.02177@Romana> <20010911161947.B7259@beaver.iucha.org> <01091223360106.00702@Romana> Message-ID: <20010913073114.B2442@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 11:36:01PM -0500, Ben Stallings wrote: > I tried doing an rpm -i --nodeps as Nate suggested, and rpm ran without > complaint, but I can't find the Quanta program itself. Does anyone out there > use Quanta? Where does it hide?? --Ben To list the files installed by a package: rpm -ql quanta Nate From florin at iucha.net Thu Sep 13 08:00:44 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] getting rpm to recognize libraries In-Reply-To: <01091223360106.00702@Romana>; from Ben@WorksCited.Net on Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 11:36:01PM -0500 References: <01091116053002.02177@Romana> <20010911161947.B7259@beaver.iucha.org> <01091223360106.00702@Romana> Message-ID: <20010913080044.B7066@beaver.iucha.org> On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 11:36:01PM -0500, Ben Stallings wrote: > On Tuesday 11 September 2001 04:19, Florin wrote: > > > > Hmmm.. what does > > rpm -q openssl > > give you? > > openssl-0.9.6-3 > > and ls /usr/lib/libssl* gets me: > /usr/lib/libssl.a /usr/lib/libssl.so.0 /usr/lib/libssl.so.1 > /usr/lib/libssl.so /usr/lib/libssl.so.0.9.6 > > where the .a file is an archive, the 0.9.6 file is a shared object, and the > rest are symlinks to the 0.9.6 file. > > I tried doing an rpm -i --nodeps as Nate suggested, and rpm ran without > complaint, but I can't find the Quanta program itself. Does anyone out there > use Quanta? Where does it hide?? --Ben rpm -ql quanta or rpm -qlp florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From paul at harris.net Thu Sep 13 08:05:32 2001 From: paul at harris.net (Paul) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian install Message-ID: <20010913130532.15120.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Hi! I'm installing Debian (potato) for the first time as a newbie. I've hit a problem with configuring X during the install, that causes the PC to lockup (at least I think it does - the screen doesn't say anything so I can't be sure!) I'm not looking for help with this (yet!), as I want to have an 'active learning' session or two first. I'm just wondering if there's some more configuration as part of the install that comes after configuring X? I'd hate to make X work, only to find that the setup isn't complete anyway. Thanks for the help! Oh, and I know I should be using SuSE/Red Hat/your option, but Debian appealed for its 'purity' :) PaulH From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Thu Sep 13 08:21:49 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] creating a share for windows In-Reply-To: <010801c13c3b$2b2e0da0$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> Message-ID: Is it a dual boot machine, or are you trying to save from a Win machine to a Linux machine elsewhere on your network? If it is dual boot, RH automagically loads the Win partitions under /mnt. You can just save them there as usual and Win will find them. If it is across the network, you will need samba. Check out www.samba.org or type man samba at a prompt. You might have chosen to load it at install. If you did, then it is simply a matter of configuring it via smb.conf. The file is heavily commented and not that difficult to do. Once samba is up and running, just map the samba share to your windows drive. Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Raymond Norton Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 5:02 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] creating a share for windows I am running Redhat 7.x. I would like to create a share on Linux that allows me to save files from my windows workstation to it to i. What would I have to do for this? Thanks Raymond Norton From jay at slushpupie.com Thu Sep 13 08:33:50 2001 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows Cheat Code Discovered In-Reply-To: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBFEE@postman.transition.com> References: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBFEE@postman.transition.com> Message-ID: <20010913133406.VSGA29315.femail46.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Glad I could brighten someones day! On Thursday 13 September 2001 07:15 am, you wrote: > Thanks Jay. I needed a laugh. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jay Kline [mailto:jay@slushpupie.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:47 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Cc: Chrissy Showers; Jeff Gallus; Kevin Nagle > Subject: [TCLUG] Windows Cheat Code Discovered > > > from http://www.segfault.org/story.phtml?mode=2&id=3b8e877a-07b50980 > > Windows Cheat Code Discovered > > > > http://www.slushpupie.com -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- Q: What looks like a cat, flies like a bat, brays like a donkey, and plays like a monkey? A: Nothing. From ray at lctn.k12.mn.us Thu Sep 13 08:38:40 2001 From: ray at lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] creating a share for windows References: Message-ID: <012f01c13c59$662b6380$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> Thanks. To answer your question, I am trying to create a share on a Linux only machine. I installed everything, so it must be there to work with. Raymond ----- Original Message ----- From: James Spinti To: Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 8:21 AM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] creating a share for windows > Is it a dual boot machine, or are you trying to save from a Win machine to a > Linux machine elsewhere on your network? > > If it is dual boot, RH automagically loads the Win partitions under /mnt. > You can just save them there as usual and Win will find them. > > If it is across the network, you will need samba. Check out www.samba.org > or type man samba at a prompt. You might have chosen to load it at install. > If you did, then it is simply a matter of configuring it via smb.conf. The > file is heavily commented and not that difficult to do. Once samba is up > and running, just map the samba share to your windows drive. > > Thanks, > > James Spinti > jspinti at dartdist.com > 952-368-3278 x396 > fax 952-368-3255 > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On > Behalf Of Raymond Norton > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 5:02 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] creating a share for windows > > > I am running Redhat 7.x. I would like to create a share on Linux that allows > me to save files from my windows workstation to it to i. What would I have > to do for this? > > > Thanks > > > Raymond Norton > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From kbongers at mninter.net Thu Sep 13 08:43:56 2001 From: kbongers at mninter.net (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PPP issues References: <01091222450500.00235@bleys> Message-ID: <3BA0B81C.80806@mninter.net> I use mninter.net at home on 56k modem, works great. (the new infinetivity web site needs work from some real web designers, right now it has big klunky gifs, frames, flash, yuck!). My chat script logs in my username and password before invoking pppd. I suppose the auto-chap/pap windows stuff should also work.. I recall dialing in with minicom and seeing ascend or some other popular routing gear annouce itself. karl. From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Sep 13 08:58:53 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows Cheat Code Discovered In-Reply-To: <20010913034649.KHJE18062.femail25.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Jay Kline wrote: > from http://www.segfault.org/story.phtml?mode=2&id=3b8e877a-07b50980 > > Windows Cheat Code Discovered While sitting through hours of training on Registry hacking I wouldn't doubt if this sort of feature existed. Still looking for that WindowsRunsReallySlow key though... -Brian From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Sep 13 09:40:42 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] weird mouse behavior In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 07:20:55AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010913094042.A603@llama.sistina.com> On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 07:20:55AM -0500, Timothy Wilson wrote: >Hey everyone, > >Anybody had trouble with a Logitech optical mouse (using PS/2 adaptor), >XFree 4.1.0, and a Matrox G450? I've got X configured and displaying >properly, but I have trouble with my mouse pointer jumping randomly around >the screen, buttons apparently being pushed (without me doing it), and >random mouse scrolling. The problem doesn't occur all the time, but often >enough that it's a major pain in the rear. I have two of them and never have a problem. Perhaps you've got some interference. > >I have the same setup at home except I have a G400 instead of a G450, and it >works fine there. Any ideas? > >BTW, I tried using a regular PS/2 mouse and the generic "PS/2" option in my >XF86Config-4 file, but nothing really changed. > >-Tim > >-- >Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: >Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com >W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org >wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. "In the war against terrorism, there are no rear lines. We're all on the front lines" - William Cohen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Where does it hide?? --Ben _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu Sep 13 09:31:56 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PPP issues Message-ID: Shawn, What is in /etc/ppp/options (or something similar) right now? There is a man page (probably listed at the end of the ppp man page) that relates to ppp options, if I remember correctly. Look in there for options related to LCP and try that option(s) out. I remember having to tweak a ppp connection with a couple options to get it to work again (it was to the U a long while ago - something changed, it stopped working, I added some appropriate options, it started working again). Good luck, Troy >>> fertch@mninter.net 09/12/01 10:45PM >>> On Wednesday 12 September 2001 15:48, Nate Carlson wrote: > Anything from /var/log/syslog? > > Generally, you can get away without specifying the local + remote IP > addresses.. pppd will fill them in itself. -- No. Well, nothing that's ppp related. Although, after rebuilding this machine and looking at the syslog... Sep 11 03:42:39 kernel: Symbol table has incorrect version number. What the heck??? Anyways, getting back to PPP. No. Here's what I get: #: ppp-on #: Serial connection established. Using interface ppp0 Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS0 LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests then after a couple of minutes of doing nothing I get: Modem hangup Connection terminated Checking logs again, nothing. Troy wrote: <> That's what I'm doing. Was doing those other things at the same time being that I was modifying the files. Trying to kill two birds with one stone per se. <> I have and can successfully. I can take my chat scripts with PAP authentication, secrets and options* files move between two other boxes (all slack 8) and connect. I can even connect with Win2k, Win98se, and any other multitudes of systems. The ISP is MNInter.net (aka Infinetivity), but it also won't connect to the RAS box at work which I can also connect to using any other box that's standalone. When looking at /var/log/messages: Sep 11 03:48:22 glyndale kernel: registered device ppp0 Sep 11 03:48:22 glyndale pppd[233]: pppd 2.4.1 started by root, uid 0 Sep 11 03:48:23 glyndale chat[234]: timeout set to 60 seconds Sep 11 03:48:23 glyndale chat[234]: abort on (ERROR) Sep 11 03:48:23 glyndale chat[234]: abort on (BUSY) Sep 11 03:48:23 glyndale chat[234]: abort on (NO CARRIER) Sep 11 03:48:23 glyndale chat[234]: abort on (NO DIALTONE) Sep 11 03:48:23 glyndale chat[234]: send (AT&FH0^M) Sep 11 03:48:23 glyndale chat[234]: expect (OK) Sep 11 03:48:24 glyndale chat[234]: AT&FH0^M^M Sep 11 03:48:24 glyndale chat[234]: OK Sep 11 03:48:24 glyndale chat[234]: -- got it Sep 11 03:48:24 glyndale chat[234]: send (atdt^M) Sep 11 03:48:24 glyndale chat[234]: timeout set to 75 seconds Sep 11 03:48:24 glyndale chat[234]: expect (CONNECT) Sep 11 03:48:24 glyndale chat[234]: ^M Sep 11 03:48:53 glyndale chat[234]: atdt^M^M Sep 11 03:48:53 glyndale chat[234]: CONNECT Sep 11 03:48:53 glyndale chat[234]: -- got it Sep 11 03:48:53 glyndale pppd[233]: Serial connection established. Sep 11 03:48:53 glyndale pppd[233]: Using interface ppp0 Sep 11 03:48:53 glyndale pppd[233]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS0 Sep 11 03:49:39 glyndale pppd[233]: Modem hangup Sep 11 03:49:39 glyndale pppd[233]: Connection terminated. Sep 11 03:49:40 glyndale pppd[233]: Exit. Sep 11 04:13:53 glyndale kernel: UMSDOS 0.85i (compatibility level 0.4, fast msdos) Totally mind boggling.... --- Shawn _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at techie.com Thu Sep 13 10:14:28 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian install In-Reply-To: <20010913130532.15120.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net>; from paul@harris.net on Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 06:05:32AM -0700 References: <20010913130532.15120.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Message-ID: <20010913101428.A24927@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 06:05:32AM -0700, Paul wrote: > Hi! I'm installing Debian (potato) for the first time as a newbie. > I've hit a problem with configuring X during the install, that causes > the PC to lockup (at least I think it does - the screen doesn't say > anything so I can't be sure!) Since you're a newbie, here's a few keys you should learn. On the console, you can switch virtual console by pressing ALT and one of the function keys (F1, F2, etc). Usually only F1 - F6 are text consoles. When X starts up it takes another VT, which you usually can get to by pressing ALT+F7. When you're in X, you can get back to the text console by pressing CTRL+ALT+Fkey. Also, usually you can kill the X server by pressing CTRL+ALT+Backspace while you're in X. This can be disabled by a config file, but it usually isn't. That should help you get around a bit while you troubleshoot your config problems. Oh, and the Debian way to reconfigure X, is `dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86` Nate From jeffr at odeon.net Thu Sep 13 10:34:46 2001 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bash question In-Reply-To: <20010913101428.A24927@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: Heya, Somehow I ended up with a file named "W CD!" in my account. When I try to view it or remove it or rename it with a command like the following: rm "W CD!" I get a message stating: bash: !": event not found Any ideas? Jeff From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu Sep 13 09:52:51 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] creating a share for windows Message-ID: Ray, Here is how you can turn samba on for testing: $ /etc/rc.d/init.d/samba start (look in /etc/rc.d/init.d/ to confirm the filename, it is either samba or smb). Here is how to turn it on permanently: $ chkconfig --level 2345 samba on (use 'man chkconfig' or 'chkconfig --help' to make sure you are using the correct options). Here is an example of what you can add to your /etc/smb.conf file for a share: -------------------- [share] comment = Shared Directory path = /home/share wide links = yes public = no printable = no writeable = yes hide dot files = yes writelist = @users user = @users force group = users create mask = 0770 -------------------- Read the man pages, read the _free_ o'reilly book at samba.org (and probably download it), and if you plan to use Samba alot, buy a book too. Good luck, Troy >>> ray@lctn.k12.mn.us 09/13/01 08:38AM >>> Thanks. To answer your question, I am trying to create a share on a Linux only machine. I installed everything, so it must be there to work with. Raymond ----- Original Message ----- From: James Spinti To: Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 8:21 AM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] creating a share for windows > Is it a dual boot machine, or are you trying to save from a Win machine to a > Linux machine elsewhere on your network? > > If it is dual boot, RH automagically loads the Win partitions under /mnt. > You can just save them there as usual and Win will find them. > > If it is across the network, you will need samba. Check out www.samba.org > or type man samba at a prompt. You might have chosen to load it at install. > If you did, then it is simply a matter of configuring it via smb.conf. The > file is heavily commented and not that difficult to do. Once samba is up > and running, just map the samba share to your windows drive. > > Thanks, > > James Spinti > jspinti at dartdist.com > 952-368-3278 x396 > fax 952-368-3255 > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On > Behalf Of Raymond Norton > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 5:02 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] creating a share for windows > > > I am running Redhat 7.x. I would like to create a share on Linux that allows > me to save files from my windows workstation to it to i. What would I have > to do for this? > > > Thanks > > > Raymond Norton > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From grolling at firstlinux.net Thu Sep 13 10:37:52 2001 From: grolling at firstlinux.net (Greg Rolling) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] weird mouse behavior Message-ID: <20010913153752.ABD053ECC@sitemail.everyone.net> I had the same problem using a logitech ps/2 mouse with an OmniView 4-port KVM switch. Using computer #3 without computer #1 running caused this problem for some reason. Changing the switch ports seems to have solved it. Timothy Wilson wrote: >Hey everyone, >Anybody had trouble with a Logitech optical mouse (using PS/2 adaptor), >XFree 4.1.0, and a Matrox G450? I've got X configured and displaying >properly, but I have trouble with my mouse pointer jumping randomly around >the screen, buttons apparently being pushed _____________________________________________________________ Want a new web-based email account ? ---> http://www.firstlinux.net From natecars at real-time.com Thu Sep 13 10:39:03 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 802.11b: Sniffing for ESSID In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDEA8@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > IBM had a tool that did what you want, but I don't know if they released it > publically. They had it running on an Ipaq with linux. You'll have to > search for it though. Think I figured it out. If/when I get it working, I'll put a page up, and post a link. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From dsherman at real-time.com Thu Sep 13 10:41:28 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bash question In-Reply-To: References: <20010913101428.A24927@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010913104033.009e99c0@popmail.real-time.com> At 10:34 AM 09/13/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Heya, > >Somehow I ended up with a file named "W CD!" in my account. When I try to >view it or remove it or rename it with a command like the following: > > rm "W CD!" > >I get a message stating: > > bash: !": event not found > >Any ideas? Did you try escaping the exclamation point? Like this: rm "W CD\!" Dave From kent at structural-wood.com Thu Sep 13 10:47:16 2001 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bash question References: Message-ID: <3BA0D504.1C943DCD@structural-wood.com> jeffr@odeon.net wrote: > > Heya, > > Somehow I ended up with a file named "W CD!" in my account. When I try to > view it or remove it or rename it with a command like the following: > > rm "W CD!" > > I get a message stating: > > bash: !": event not found > > Any ideas? > > Jeff > rm -i "W CD?" From fertch at mninter.net Thu Sep 13 10:35:59 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PPP issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01091310355900.05305@bleys> On Thursday 13 September 2001 09:31, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > Shawn, > > What is in /etc/ppp/options (or something similar) right > now? bash-2.05# more options # General configuration options for PPPD: lock defaultroute noipdefault modem /dev/ttyS0 115200 crtscts # Uncomment the line below for more verbose error reporting: #debug # If you have a default route already, pppd may require the other side # to authenticate itself, which most ISPs will not do. To work around this, # uncomment the line below. Note that this may have negative side effects # on system security if you allow PPP dialins. See the docs in /usr/doc/ppp* # for more information. #noauth passive asyncmap 0 name "fertch" > > There is a man page (probably listed at the end of the > ppp man page) that relates to ppp options, if I remember > correctly. Look in there for options related to LCP and > try that option(s) out. I remember having to tweak a > ppp connection with a couple options to get it to work > again (it was to the U a long while ago - something > changed, it stopped working, I added some > appropriate options, it started working again). I recall seeing something with LCP options in it, but they aren't in there right currently. When I get home from work tonight, I'm going to try a couple of other things as well and see what happens. I recall getting an error message on all of my machines when I can get in that there's an error of " LCP timeout of sending config-requests" or the like. Just doesn't make any sense as to what's happening. Shawn From nate at techie.com Thu Sep 13 10:51:09 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bash question In-Reply-To: ; from jeffr@odeon.net on Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 10:34:46AM -0500 References: <20010913101428.A24927@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20010913105109.A4538@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 10:34:46AM -0500, jeffr@odeon.net wrote: > Somehow I ended up with a file named "W CD!" in my account. rm -i W* Nate From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Sep 13 10:55:40 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] weird mouse behavior In-Reply-To: <20010913153752.ABD053ECC@sitemail.everyone.net> Message-ID: Do you have GPM running on the console? XFree86 4.X and GPM don't seem to get along well. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From wilson at visi.com Thu Sep 13 10:51:35 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] weird mouse behavior In-Reply-To: <20010913153752.ABD053ECC@sitemail.everyone.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Greg Rolling wrote: > I had the same problem using a logitech ps/2 mouse with an OmniView 4-port KVM switch. Using computer #3 without computer #1 running caused this problem for some reason. Changing the switch ports seems to have solved it. A colleague here at school suggested that an IRQ conflict might be the answer. I'll try using it in USB mode. (Of course, I have to figure out how to configure USB first). -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Sep 13 11:00:50 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian install In-Reply-To: <20010913101428.A24927@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: Don't think this is an issue in Potato, but I could be wrong. If configuration hangs durring the X install on a Progeny or Woody/Sid system, power cycle your monitor. For some reason the configuration can't read the data that the monitor is sending the video card. Powercycling the monitor seems to fix the problem. If you have your debian base installed, I want to steer you to Progeny. :) It's more up to date without being unstable. A bit closer to the bleeding edge. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Thu Sep 13 11:01:02 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bash question In-Reply-To: ; from jeffr@odeon.net on Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 10:34:46AM -0500 References: <20010913101428.A24927@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20010913110102.A14227@trammell.dyndns.org> On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 10:34:46AM -0500, jeffr@odeon.net wrote: > Heya, > > Somehow I ended up with a file named "W CD!" in my account. When I try to > view it or remove it or rename it with a command like the following: > > rm "W CD!" > > I get a message stating: > > bash: !": event not found > > Any ideas? Lazy answer: rm W bash may expand it for you correctly. Now go create a file named "-rf" in someone's home directory. -- It's clear that the crew to send to Mars must be comprised of midget eunuchs. From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Sep 13 11:20:15 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] weird mouse behavior In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > A colleague here at school suggested that an IRQ conflict might be the > answer. I'll try using it in USB mode. (Of course, I have to figure out how > to configure USB first). /usr/src/linux/Documentation/usb/input.txt Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From jeffr at odeon.net Thu Sep 13 11:25:39 2001 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bash question In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010913104033.009e99c0@popmail.real-time.com> Message-ID: I didn't, but I have now. It says: rm: cannot remove `W CD\!': No such file or directory Yet 'ls' still shows it as being there. -rw-rw-r-- 1 jeffr jeffr 544 Sep 7 01:43 W CD! Jeff On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Dave Sherman wrote: > At 10:34 AM 09/13/2001 -0500, you wrote: > > >Heya, > > > >Somehow I ended up with a file named "W CD!" in my account. When I try to > >view it or remove it or rename it with a command like the following: > > > > rm "W CD!" > > > >I get a message stating: > > > > bash: !": event not found > > > >Any ideas? > > Did you try escaping the exclamation point? Like this: > > rm "W CD\!" > > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Thu Sep 13 11:34:14 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bash question In-Reply-To: ; from jeffr@odeon.net on Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 11:25:39AM -0500 References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010913104033.009e99c0@popmail.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010913113414.A14455@trammell.dyndns.org> On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 11:25:39AM -0500, jeffr@odeon.net wrote: > > I didn't, but I have now. It says: > > rm: cannot remove `W CD\!': No such file or directory > > Yet 'ls' still shows it as being there. > > -rw-rw-r-- 1 jeffr jeffr 544 Sep 7 01:43 W CD! > > Jeff Try ls -b (-B?) to show possible hidden chars. From florin at iucha.net Thu Sep 13 11:42:51 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bash question In-Reply-To: ; from jeffr@odeon.net on Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 11:25:39AM -0500 References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010913104033.009e99c0@popmail.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010913114251.A26796@beaver.iucha.org> On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 11:25:39AM -0500, jeffr@odeon.net wrote: > > I didn't, but I have now. It says: > > rm: cannot remove `W CD\!': No such file or directory > > Yet 'ls' still shows it as being there. > > -rw-rw-r-- 1 jeffr jeffr 544 Sep 7 01:43 W CD! It might have spaces after... florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From sraun at fireopal.org Thu Sep 13 11:50:01 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bash question In-Reply-To: <20010913110102.A14227@trammell.dyndns.org> References: <20010913101428.A24927@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <20010913110102.A14227@trammell.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20010913115001.B14231@iaxs.net> On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 11:01:02AM -0500, John J. Trammell wrote: > > Now go create a file named "-rf" in someone's home directory. > That _is_ evil! -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From ali at packetknife.com Thu Sep 13 11:52:45 2001 From: ali at packetknife.com (Ali-Reza Anghaie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bash question In-Reply-To: <20010913114251.A26796@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 11:25:39AM -0500, jeffr@odeon.net wrote: > > rm: cannot remove `W CD\!': No such file or directory Just type: rm -i `W ... and let it try to autocomplete.... that'll take it, no? -Ali -- Key 53F7FF5F -- 6662 5087 119D 8D18 8501 8A8D C583 97B6 53F7 FF5F -- "Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence, it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines." -- Bertrand Russell From fertch at mninter.net Thu Sep 13 11:56:27 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian CD's? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01091311562700.01531@bleys> I'm going to put Debian on one of my systems as well. Heck, I've got a number of them sitting around might as well so I can learn something about Debian. Anyone in the NE part of the cities have any Debian CD's I can get from them Friday during the day? I'll gladly compensate for the cost of the CD's. I'm not familiar with Debian, so don't know which is what. Potato, Progeny, Woody.... Probably looking for a stable, current release of it. Would be earlier in the day when I'd be looking at getting them. Thanks. --- Shawn "Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do." -Bruce Lee From estabroo at talkware.net Thu Sep 13 11:54:27 2001 From: estabroo at talkware.net (Alter Eric) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bash question In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010913104033.009e99c0@popmail.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010913115427.A2723@neptune.sec.talkware.net> On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 11:25:39AM -0500, jeffr@odeon.net wrote: > > I didn't, but I have now. It says: > > rm: cannot remove `W CD\!': No such file or directory > > Yet 'ls' still shows it as being there. > > -rw-rw-r-- 1 jeffr jeffr 544 Sep 7 01:43 W CD! > > Jeff > it's because inside the quotes the \ is a \ try rm W\ CD\! Eric From jeffr at odeon.net Thu Sep 13 12:06:40 2001 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bash question In-Reply-To: <20010913115427.A2723@neptune.sec.talkware.net> Message-ID: Thanks for all the suggestions. The wildcard idea from Nate worked just fine. Jeff On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Alter Eric wrote: > On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 11:25:39AM -0500, jeffr@odeon.net wrote: > > > > I didn't, but I have now. It says: > > > > rm: cannot remove `W CD\!': No such file or directory > > > > Yet 'ls' still shows it as being there. > > > > -rw-rw-r-- 1 jeffr jeffr 544 Sep 7 01:43 W CD! > > > > Jeff > > > > it's because inside the quotes the \ is a \ > > try rm W\ CD\! > > > Eric > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From fertch at mninter.net Thu Sep 13 12:01:52 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bash question In-Reply-To: <20010913114251.A26796@beaver.iucha.org> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010913104033.009e99c0@popmail.real-time.com> <20010913114251.A26796@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <01091312015201.01531@bleys> On Thursday 13 September 2001 11:42, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 11:25:39AM -0500, jeffr@odeon.net wrote: > > I didn't, but I have now. It says: > > > > rm: cannot remove `W CD\!': No such file or directory > > > > Yet 'ls' still shows it as being there. > > > > -rw-rw-r-- 1 jeffr jeffr 544 Sep 7 01:43 W CD! > > It might have spaces after... > > florin -- I've found that at times DOS names are like that as well. Files and directories such as "My Pictures" and "My Documents" don't get comprehended too well in *nix. Try something like this: mv W*CD* junkcd rm -R junkcd At times it's worked, at times it hasn't. Worth a try. --- Shawn "Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do." -Bruce Lee From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Sep 13 12:29:12 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian CD's? In-Reply-To: <01091311562700.01531@bleys> Message-ID: Potato: Current Stable Woody: Current Testing Sid: Always Unstable Newton: Current Progeny Release. Progeny has a nicer installer than Debian, and is more up to date (Included X4, GNOME 1.4, etc.) than the current Debian release. See http://www.progeny.com Progeny boxed sets can be picked up at Microcenter localy, and online. If on campus is close Scott Dier can probally burn you some CD's in exchange for blank CDs. I'm on West Bank myself, and don't have any CD-R in my office yet. :) Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Sep 13 12:32:33 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bash question In-Reply-To: <01091312015201.01531@bleys> Message-ID: > I've found that at times DOS names are like that as well. Files and > directories such as "My Pictures" and "My Documents" don't get comprehended > too well in *nix. > You want `cd My\ Pictures` or `rm -rf /mnt/dos/My\ Documents/My\ Pictures/Hardcore\ Porn/` Basically, any character that isn't a letter or number needs to be preceded by \ Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Shawn Fertch wrote: > On Thursday 13 September 2001 11:42, Florin Iucha wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 11:25:39AM -0500, jeffr@odeon.net wrote: > > > I didn't, but I have now. It says: > > > > > > rm: cannot remove `W CD\!': No such file or directory > > > > > > Yet 'ls' still shows it as being there. > > > > > > -rw-rw-r-- 1 jeffr jeffr 544 Sep 7 01:43 W CD! > > > > It might have spaces after... > > > > florin > > -- > > --- > Shawn > > "Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do." > -Bruce Lee > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Sep 13 12:35:28 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian CD's? In-Reply-To: References: <01091311562700.01531@bleys> Message-ID: <20010913123528.K18850@ringworld.org> * Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) [010913 12:33]: > exchange for blank CDs. I'm on West Bank myself, and don't have any CD-R I thought that you had one in your machine over there. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From blayer at qwest.net Thu Sep 13 12:50:05 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] bash question In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010913104033.009e99c0@popmail.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010913125005.04970100.blayer@qwest.net> On or about Thu, 13 Sep 2001 11:25:39 -0500 (CDT) jeffr@odeon.net reportedly said... > > I didn't, but I have now. It says: > > rm: cannot remove `W CD\!': No such file or directory > > Yet 'ls' still shows it as being there. > > -rw-rw-r-- 1 jeffr jeffr 544 Sep 7 01:43 W CD! Bash must be treating the ! as a special case, like the ! at the beginning of a shell script. Try these things: - try 'rm W\ ' and see if Bash is smart enouugh to autocomplete the name - start a filemanager like mc or xfm, or and try using that to delete it. - if it is the only file what begins with W, try 'rm W*' or 'mv W* newname'. Hope one of these works :) -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From fertch at mninter.net Thu Sep 13 13:36:58 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian CD's? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01091313365800.04605@bleys> On Thursday 13 September 2001 12:29, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > Potato: Current Stable > Woody: Current Testing > Sid: Always Unstable > Newton: Current Progeny Release. > > Progeny has a nicer installer than Debian, and is more up to date > (Included X4, GNOME 1.4, etc.) than the current Debian release. See > http://www.progeny.com > > Progeny boxed sets can be picked up at Microcenter localy, and online. > > If on campus is close Scott Dier can probally burn you some CD's in > exchange for blank CDs. I'm on West Bank myself, and don't have any CD-R > in my office yet. :) -- I'm off tomorrow, so travelling isn't too much of a concern here within the cities. I live in the NE corner of the cities: Forest Lake. So, the east side would be preferable if possible. --- Shawn "Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do." -Bruce Lee From paul at harris.net Thu Sep 13 13:41:19 2001 From: paul at harris.net (Paul) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian CD's? Message-ID: <20010913184119.2731.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Potato is the current, official, debian release (progeny being a 'commercial' release based on debian I think). I have the disk (plus a 'bonus' disk with KDE and some other stuff) and could make copies. I work downtown and live in St Louis Park - let me know if this works. Cheers, Paul -- > From: Shawn Fertch > > I'm going to put Debian on one of my systems as well. Heck, I've got a > number of them sitting around might as well so I can learn something about > Debian. Anyone in the NE part of the cities have any Debian CD's I can get > from them Friday during the day? I'll gladly compensate for the cost of the > CD's. > > I'm not familiar with Debian, so don't know which is what. Potato, Progeny, > Woody.... Probably looking for a stable, current release of it. Would be > earlier in the day when I'd be looking at getting them. > > Thanks. From wilson at visi.com Thu Sep 13 14:55:46 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] weird mouse behavior In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > Do you have GPM running on the console? XFree86 4.X and GPM don't seem to > get along well. Killing gpm appears to have fixed everything. Cool. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Sep 13 15:16:54 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] weird mouse behavior In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Maybe have X use /dev/gpmdata (might have to enable in GDM.) Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From sraun at fireopal.org Thu Sep 13 15:24:27 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] creating a share for windows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010913152427.A18219@iaxs.net> On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 09:52:51AM -0500, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > Read the man pages, read the _free_ o'reilly book > at samba.org (and probably download it), and if you > plan to use Samba alot, buy a book too. Where's the book? The closest I can find is the 70-page HOWTO compilation. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From fertch at mninter.net Thu Sep 13 15:32:58 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] creating a share for windows In-Reply-To: <20010913152427.A18219@iaxs.net> References: <20010913152427.A18219@iaxs.net> Message-ID: <01091315325800.07646@bleys> On Thursday 13 September 2001 15:24, Scott Raun wrote: > On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 09:52:51AM -0500, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > > Read the man pages, read the _free_ o'reilly book > > at samba.org (and probably download it), and if you > > plan to use Samba alot, buy a book too. > > Where's the book? The closest I can find is the 70-page HOWTO > compilation. -- O'Reilly has a book called "Using Samba" which you can get at B&N. I picked mine up at the B&N in Roseville HarMar Mall. --- Shawn "Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do." -Bruce Lee From amy at real-time.com Thu Sep 13 15:27:53 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] .htaccess and subdirectories Message-ID: <20010913152753.F1581@real-time.com> If you have an .htaccess file in one dir, will it be used for all that directory's subdirectories? Is there anything special you need to do to allow this? -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From jay at slushpupie.com Thu Sep 13 15:49:51 2001 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] .htaccess and subdirectories In-Reply-To: <20010913152753.F1581@real-time.com> References: <20010913152753.F1581@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010913205011.ILLQ19248.femail32.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Yes, when you apply any sort of rule in apache, it also applys to all sub directorys, unless you explicitly do something to those. Jay On Thursday 13 September 2001 03:27 pm, you wrote: > If you have an .htaccess file in one dir, will it be used for all that > directory's subdirectories? Is there anything special you need to do > to allow this? -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- Go not to the elves for counsel, for they will say both yes and no. -- J.R.R. Tolkien From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Sep 13 15:53:10 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New and Improved -- Qwest free Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDEB2@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Woohoo! I'm so happy. I just dumped Qwest. And, if you have Qwest now, and hate them as much as I do, you can get rid of them too. Anywhere you can get Qwest, you can get USLink (http://www.uslink.com). They don't offer residential DSL yet, but they will soon. But you can certainly get your phone through them. $25.00 mo, with 2 free hours of long distance (extra LD is 10 cents/min). I'm so happy that I'm finally Qwest free. At the risk of sounding like spam, if you mention my name when you sign up, I think I get a couple bucks off my next bill. :) BTW, I just reported Qwest to the PUC today for extra charges on my bill which they will not remove. And when I asked Qwest for the number for the PUC, they wouldn't give it to me, which is a violation of law. I reported them for that too. Unfortunately, the ATT Broadband phone isn't available in my area yet, and I'm 3 blocks from Sprint's area. I've been bending over for Qwest for the last 5 years, and wasted countless hours of my life on the phone arguing with them over my bill and service. I think it's time for some celebration. :) Jay From doughanson at mediaone.net Thu Sep 13 16:02:35 2001 From: doughanson at mediaone.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New and Improved -- Qwest free References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDEB2@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <01b801c13c97$6d149c00$eaaf7a81@doug> WooHoo, for you!!! When AT&T offers the digital phone in St. Paul, I too am Qworst free!!! Where is the "Qworst Free" party at ;)~ Douger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Austad, Jay" To: Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 3:53 PM Subject: [TCLUG] New and Improved -- Qwest free > Woohoo! I'm so happy. I just dumped Qwest. And, if you have Qwest now, > and hate them as much as I do, you can get rid of them too. Anywhere you > can get Qwest, you can get USLink (http://www.uslink.com). They don't offer > residential DSL yet, but they will soon. But you can certainly get your > phone through them. $25.00 mo, with 2 free hours of long distance (extra LD > is 10 cents/min). I'm so happy that I'm finally Qwest free. > > At the risk of sounding like spam, if you mention my name when you sign up, > I think I get a couple bucks off my next bill. :) > > BTW, I just reported Qwest to the PUC today for extra charges on my bill > which they will not remove. And when I asked Qwest for the number for the > PUC, they wouldn't give it to me, which is a violation of law. I reported > them for that too. > > Unfortunately, the ATT Broadband phone isn't available in my area yet, and > I'm 3 blocks from Sprint's area. I've been bending over for Qwest for the > last 5 years, and wasted countless hours of my life on the phone arguing > with them over my bill and service. I think it's time for some celebration. > :) > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sraun at fireopal.org Thu Sep 13 16:22:26 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] creating a share for windows In-Reply-To: <01091315325800.07646@bleys> References: <20010913152427.A18219@iaxs.net> <01091315325800.07646@bleys> Message-ID: <20010913162225.A18368@iaxs.net> On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 03:32:58PM -0500, Shawn Fertch wrote: > On Thursday 13 September 2001 15:24, Scott Raun wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 09:52:51AM -0500, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > > > Read the man pages, read the _free_ o'reilly book > > > at samba.org (and probably download it), and if you > > > plan to use Samba alot, buy a book too. > > > > Where's the book? The closest I can find is the 70-page HOWTO > > compilation. > > O'Reilly has a book called "Using Samba" which you can get at B&N. I picked > mine up at the B&N in Roseville HarMar Mall. But what I'm looking for is the "_free_ o'reilly book" that Troy referenced. I can't find it at www.samba.org, and am curious about where it is? -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Sep 13 16:22:56 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New and Improved -- Qwest free Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDEB3@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Just switch to USLink now. There's a $2.50 charge to switch, and then you'll be qworst free now. :) And you get to keep your current phone number. I think we should dedicate a future beer meeting to being Qworst-free. By the way, there's an interesting site here: http://www.tsewq.com (qwest backwards). That's where I found out about USLink. > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Hanson [mailto:doughanson@mediaone.net] > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 4:03 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] New and Improved -- Qwest free > > > WooHoo, for you!!! When AT&T offers the digital phone in St. > Paul, I too am Qworst free!!! Where is the "Qworst Free" party at ;)~ > > Douger > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Austad, Jay" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 3:53 PM > Subject: [TCLUG] New and Improved -- Qwest free > > > > Woohoo! I'm so happy. I just dumped Qwest. And, if you > have Qwest > > now, and hate them as much as I do, you can get rid of them too. > > Anywhere you can get Qwest, you can get USLink > > (http://www.uslink.com). They don't > offer > > residential DSL yet, but they will soon. But you can certainly get > > your phone through them. $25.00 mo, with 2 free hours of long > > distance (extra > LD > > is 10 cents/min). I'm so happy that I'm finally Qwest free. > > > > At the risk of sounding like spam, if you mention my name when you > > sign > up, > > I think I get a couple bucks off my next bill. :) > > > > BTW, I just reported Qwest to the PUC today for extra charges on my > > bill which they will not remove. And when I asked Qwest for the > > number for the PUC, they wouldn't give it to me, which is a > violation > > of law. I reported them for that too. > > > > Unfortunately, the ATT Broadband phone isn't available in > my area yet, > > and I'm 3 blocks from Sprint's area. I've been bending > over for Qwest > > for the last 5 years, and wasted countless hours of my life on the > > phone arguing with them over my bill and service. I think > it's time > > for some > celebration. > > :) > > > > Jay > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Thu Sep 13 16:28:47 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New and Improved -- Qwest free In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDEB2@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 03:53:10PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDEB2@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010913162847.A16036@trammell.dyndns.org> On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 03:53:10PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > BTW, I just reported Qwest to the PUC today for extra charges on my bill > which they will not remove. And when I asked Qwest for the number for the > PUC, they wouldn't give it to me, which is a violation of law. I reported > them for that too. PUC? -- IAAMOAC. From thomas at stderr.net Thu Sep 13 16:30:42 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] creating a share for windows In-Reply-To: <20010913162225.A18368@iaxs.net>; from sraun@fireopal.org on Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 04:22:26PM -0500 References: <20010913152427.A18219@iaxs.net> <01091315325800.07646@bleys> <20010913162225.A18368@iaxs.net> Message-ID: <20010913233041.B39619@io.stderr.net> On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 04:22:26PM -0500, Scott Raun wrote: > On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 03:32:58PM -0500, Shawn Fertch wrote: > > On Thursday 13 September 2001 15:24, Scott Raun wrote: > > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 09:52:51AM -0500, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > > > > Read the man pages, read the _free_ o'reilly book > > > > at samba.org (and probably download it), and if you > > > > plan to use Samba alot, buy a book too. > > > > > > Where's the book? The closest I can find is the 70-page HOWTO > > > compilation. > > > > O'Reilly has a book called "Using Samba" which you can get at B&N. I picked > > mine up at the B&N in Roseville HarMar Mall. > > But what I'm looking for is the "_free_ o'reilly book" that Troy > referenced. I can't find it at www.samba.org, and am curious about > where it is? It is free: http://www.ora.com/catalog/samba/ <-- has links to: http://www.ora.com/catalog/samba/chapter/book/index.html && http://www.ora.com/catalog/samba/chapter/book/indexpdf.html -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu Sep 13 16:28:27 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] creating a share for windows Message-ID: Sorry, I was wrong, it is here: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba/ >>> sraun@fireopal.org 09/13/01 04:22PM >>> On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 03:32:58PM -0500, Shawn Fertch wrote: > On Thursday 13 September 2001 15:24, Scott Raun wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 09:52:51AM -0500, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > > > Read the man pages, read the _free_ o'reilly book > > > at samba.org (and probably download it), and if you > > > plan to use Samba alot, buy a book too. > > > > Where's the book? The closest I can find is the 70-page HOWTO > > compilation. > > O'Reilly has a book called "Using Samba" which you can get at B&N. I picked > mine up at the B&N in Roseville HarMar Mall. But what I'm looking for is the "_free_ o'reilly book" that Troy referenced. I can't find it at www.samba.org, and am curious about where it is? -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Sep 13 16:37:45 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New and Improved -- Qwest free Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDEB4@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > PUC? Public Utilities Commission. They are the ones who qwest hates. The PUC can impose fines upon Qwest, and also force them to make changes in customers bills. I bet I get a kiss-ass call from Qwest within the next couple of days too. The last 2 times I complained to the PUC, someone high up from Qwest called me apologizing, and I got a $50 credit on bill both times, and the incorrect charges were also reversed. I hope the PUC fines them some exhorbitant amount of money, something which will cancel out all of the money they've made off me over the past few years. > > -- > IAAMOAC. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Thu Sep 13 16:46:24 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MAPS/ORBS replacements status update? Message-ID: <20010913164624.U32046@real-time.com> Looking for any input from people who are running/using MAPS/ORBS replacements. My survey shows that the replacements have very small databases, poor web frontends, and terrible interfaces to allow removing of entries. The ones that claim to be open source have not released the source code, don't have cvs access, etc.. So, any news in the LUG area about using these? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From veldy at visi.com Thu Sep 13 18:16:30 2001 From: veldy at visi.com (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New and Improved -- Qwest free References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDEB2@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <000101c13caa$5fa39ef0$0101a8c0@cascade> Yes -- but it is QWest underneath. Everything you do will go through QWest, including repairs. Much easier to just deal with QWest. Tom Veldhouse veldy@visi.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Austad, Jay" To: Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 3:53 PM Subject: [TCLUG] New and Improved -- Qwest free > Woohoo! I'm so happy. I just dumped Qwest. And, if you have Qwest now, > and hate them as much as I do, you can get rid of them too. Anywhere you > can get Qwest, you can get USLink (http://www.uslink.com). They don't offer > residential DSL yet, but they will soon. But you can certainly get your > phone through them. $25.00 mo, with 2 free hours of long distance (extra LD > is 10 cents/min). I'm so happy that I'm finally Qwest free. > > At the risk of sounding like spam, if you mention my name when you sign up, > I think I get a couple bucks off my next bill. :) > > BTW, I just reported Qwest to the PUC today for extra charges on my bill > which they will not remove. And when I asked Qwest for the number for the > PUC, they wouldn't give it to me, which is a violation of law. I reported > them for that too. > > Unfortunately, the ATT Broadband phone isn't available in my area yet, and > I'm 3 blocks from Sprint's area. I've been bending over for Qwest for the > last 5 years, and wasted countless hours of my life on the phone arguing > with them over my bill and service. I think it's time for some celebration. > :) > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From mkroska at readynetgo.com Thu Sep 13 18:36:00 2001 From: mkroska at readynetgo.com (Mark K) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New and Improved -- Qwest free In-Reply-To: <000101c13caa$5fa39ef0$0101a8c0@cascade> Message-ID: That depends on facilities, which depends on the city and Business or Residential. St. Cloud has a USLink switch for business users, home service is resold over Qwest equipment. Granted, USL colos with Qwest so eventually it touched their equipment, but at least someone real answers the phone. We switched to USL for locl and LD service, cut the bill almost in half. Qwest will always be the most expensive because they are the LEC and have higher tarriffs. (poor babies) MK On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > Yes -- but it is QWest underneath. Everything you do will go through QWest, > including repairs. Much easier to just deal with QWest. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@visi.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Austad, Jay" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 3:53 PM > Subject: [TCLUG] New and Improved -- Qwest free > > > > Woohoo! I'm so happy. I just dumped Qwest. And, if you have Qwest now, > > and hate them as much as I do, you can get rid of them too. Anywhere you > > can get Qwest, you can get USLink (http://www.uslink.com). They don't > offer > > residential DSL yet, but they will soon. But you can certainly get your > > phone through them. $25.00 mo, with 2 free hours of long distance (extra > LD > > is 10 cents/min). I'm so happy that I'm finally Qwest free. > > > > At the risk of sounding like spam, if you mention my name when you sign > up, > > I think I get a couple bucks off my next bill. :) > > > > BTW, I just reported Qwest to the PUC today for extra charges on my bill > > which they will not remove. And when I asked Qwest for the number for the > > PUC, they wouldn't give it to me, which is a violation of law. I reported > > them for that too. > > > > Unfortunately, the ATT Broadband phone isn't available in my area yet, and > > I'm 3 blocks from Sprint's area. I've been bending over for Qwest for the > > last 5 years, and wasted countless hours of my life on the phone arguing > > with them over my bill and service. I think it's time for some > celebration. > > :) > > > > Jay > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- ________________________________________________________ ReadyNET Go!, Inc. - Building your Business on the net ________________________________________________________ Mark J. Kroska MIS Director 320.656.0765 Voice 888.447.3239 Toll Free 320.203.7052 Fax http://www.readynetgo.com mailto:mkroska@readynetgo.com ________________________________________________________ From dsherman at real-time.com Thu Sep 13 21:53:24 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache configuration & cgi/perl Message-ID: <1000436010.1004.16.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> Greetings everyone, Got a small problem. I have APache running on a test server at home, with perl and mysql. So far, so good. Now, I want to add perl/cgi capability, so I can run a couple of perl scripts that I wrote a long time ago. Anyhoo, the scripts run ok from the command line, except for the fact that they don't have an http request string to use in the environment variable -- the point is, the perl interpreter says everything is ok with the scripts. However, Apache will simply not run my scripts from my user directory! I even created a really simple script, to see if Apache was barfing on something within the script in spite of perl itself saying it was ok. Apache won't even run a simple perl script. The error is the infamous, "Premature end of script headers". Scripts seem to run fine in /home/httpd/cgi-bin/, but not in my home directory (/home/user/www/cgi-bin/, where 'www' is set up as the UserDir). As far as I can tell, I have things configured to allow user cgi's in /home/user/www/cgi-bin/. Why won't Apache run scripts from my home web directory??? I can copy the relevant parts of the config files if anyone deems it necessary. Otherwise, I am hoping I can simply get a pointer to some docs or other help, as I have run out of ideas. Dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Anyhoo, the scripts run ok from > the command line, except for the fact that they don't have an http > request string to use in the environment variable -- the point is, the > perl interpreter says everything is ok with the scripts. > > However, Apache will simply not run my scripts from my user directory! I > even created a really simple script, to see if Apache was barfing on > something within the script in spite of perl itself saying it was ok. > Apache won't even run a simple perl script. The error is the infamous, > "Premature end of script headers". > > Scripts seem to run fine in /home/httpd/cgi-bin/, but not in my home > directory (/home/user/www/cgi-bin/, where 'www' is set up as the > UserDir). > > As far as I can tell, I have things configured to allow user cgi's in > /home/user/www/cgi-bin/. > > Why won't Apache run scripts from my home web directory??? 'Cause it's probably not set up to do so. Either you have to do something like: ScriptAliasMatch ^/~(user)/cgi-bin /home/$1/www/cgi-bin Or you have to enable it for the specific dir with: Options +ExecCGI (First solution not tested and from the top of my memory) -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From mohmann at qwest.net Thu Sep 13 22:15:11 2001 From: mohmann at qwest.net (Marc Ohmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] meeting idea Message-ID: <3BA1763F.2000603@qwest.net> How 'bout wireless networking for a meeting topic? I am sure a lot of people would be interested in hearing security solutions and ideas with all the hype of insecure 802.11b networks. I am currently considering an internal packet filter that only allows ssh connections over the wireless net. This sounds nice but alot of things break over ssh and X11 display forwarding. Does anyone have experience with wireless VPNs? Maybe there is no solution yet but I still think it would be a good topic of discussion. We could even play with netstumbler and see how many 802nets we find at the U. Maybe we could set up an AP and use one of the decrypting programs (ie airsnort) to crack our own network. Sounds like fun to me :-) Marc From krwc2 at visi.com Thu Sep 13 21:55:40 2001 From: krwc2 at visi.com (John Goerg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian CD's? Message-ID: <01091322145400.00542@localhost.localdomain> Zibby wrote, >If on campus is close Scott Dier can probally burn you some CD's in >exchange for blank CDs. I'm on West Bank myself, and don't have any CD-R >in my office yet. :) Shawn, I'm also in F.L. and would also like to get a hold of some current Debian. If you meet up with Scott or whoever I'd be happy to reimburse, restock CD's or whatever. Also have a burner if that works. Being a newbie Progeny sounds best. Thanks John Goerg From jay at slushpupie.com Thu Sep 13 22:17:31 2001 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache configuration & cgi/perl In-Reply-To: <1000436010.1004.16.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> References: <1000436010.1004.16.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> Message-ID: <20010914031756.WLQY4675.femail48.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> If you are getting the "Premature end of script headers" you are set up to be executing the script. There is another problem. When you execute the script on the command line, is the first pice of output: Content-type: text/html (with 2 blank lines following)? If its not, that is what apache is complaining about. Apache leaves the headers up to the scripts, so you need (at the very least) to send the content type. A simple script to make sure everything is working would be this: #!/bin/perl -w print "Content-type: text/html\n\n"; print "Hello World"; If that dosnt work, then there are other errors, and let us know. Jay On Thursday 13 September 2001 09:53 pm, you wrote: > Greetings everyone, > > Got a small problem. I have APache running on a test server at home, > with perl and mysql. So far, so good. > > Now, I want to add perl/cgi capability, so I can run a couple of perl > scripts that I wrote a long time ago. Anyhoo, the scripts run ok from > the command line, except for the fact that they don't have an http > request string to use in the environment variable -- the point is, the > perl interpreter says everything is ok with the scripts. > > However, Apache will simply not run my scripts from my user directory! I > even created a really simple script, to see if Apache was barfing on > something within the script in spite of perl itself saying it was ok. > Apache won't even run a simple perl script. The error is the infamous, > "Premature end of script headers". > > Scripts seem to run fine in /home/httpd/cgi-bin/, but not in my home > directory (/home/user/www/cgi-bin/, where 'www' is set up as the > UserDir). > > As far as I can tell, I have things configured to allow user cgi's in > /home/user/www/cgi-bin/. > > Why won't Apache run scripts from my home web directory??? > > I can copy the relevant parts of the config files if anyone deems it > necessary. Otherwise, I am hoping I can simply get a pointer to some > docs or other help, as I have run out of ideas. > > Dave -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- Another good night not to sleep in a eucalyptus tree. From dsherman at real-time.com Thu Sep 13 22:30:12 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache configuration & cgi/perl In-Reply-To: <20010914051110.D39619@io.stderr.net> References: <1000436010.1004.16.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> <20010914051110.D39619@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <1000438217.1004.23.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> On Thu, 2001-09-13 at 22:11, Thomas Eibner wrote: > On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 09:53:24PM -0500, Dave Sherman wrote: > > Greetings everyone, > > > > Got a small problem. I have APache running on a test server at home, > > with perl and mysql. So far, so good. > > > > Now, I want to add perl/cgi capability, so I can run a couple of perl > > scripts that I wrote a long time ago. Anyhoo, the scripts run ok from > > the command line, except for the fact that they don't have an http > > request string to use in the environment variable -- the point is, the > > perl interpreter says everything is ok with the scripts. > > > > However, Apache will simply not run my scripts from my user directory! I > > even created a really simple script, to see if Apache was barfing on > > something within the script in spite of perl itself saying it was ok. > > Apache won't even run a simple perl script. The error is the infamous, > > "Premature end of script headers". > > > > Scripts seem to run fine in /home/httpd/cgi-bin/, but not in my home > > directory (/home/user/www/cgi-bin/, where 'www' is set up as the > > UserDir). > > > > As far as I can tell, I have things configured to allow user cgi's in > > /home/user/www/cgi-bin/. > > > > Why won't Apache run scripts from my home web directory??? > > 'Cause it's probably not set up to do so. Either you have to do > something like: > > ScriptAliasMatch ^/~(user)/cgi-bin /home/$1/www/cgi-bin > > Or you have to enable it for the specific dir with: > > > Options +ExecCGI > I have the Directory set pretty much like yours above: Options ExecCGI However, I do not have the ScriptAliasMatch -- in fact, I've never seen that directive. I will look it up, and maybe try it if it looks like it makes sense. Only one question: If I already have the bit, do I really need the other thing? Dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Otherwise it might be interesting getting a room at the univ because of the legal ramifications and other things. (political fallout, etc) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net From dsherman at real-time.com Thu Sep 13 22:34:45 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache configuration & cgi/perl In-Reply-To: <20010914031756.WLQY4675.femail48.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> References: <1000436010.1004.16.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> <20010914031756.WLQY4675.femail48.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Message-ID: <1000438490.1003.28.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> On Thu, 2001-09-13 at 22:17, Jay Kline wrote: > If you are getting the "Premature end of script headers" you are set up to be > executing the script. There is another problem. When you execute the script > on the command line, is the first pice of output: > > Content-type: text/html > > > > (with 2 blank lines following)? Yes, this is what I get. > If its not, that is what apache is complaining about. Apache leaves the > headers up to the scripts, so you need (at the very least) to send the > content type. A simple script to make sure everything is working would be > this: > > #!/bin/perl -w > print "Content-type: text/html\n\n"; > print "Hello World"; > > > If that dosnt work, then there are other errors, and let us know. The above is the exact "simple" test script I am using. It works fine in /home/httpd/cgi-bin/, but not in /home/user/www/cgi-bin/. See for yourself at http://sildara.dyndns.org/cgi-bin/test.cgi My user directory is http://sildara.dyndns.org/~dave/cgi-bin/test.cgi Dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010913/d768441b/attachment.pgp From poverby at megsinet.net Thu Sep 13 22:31:23 2001 From: poverby at megsinet.net (Paul Overby) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Networked PPP connection issue References: <01091012352001.00537@bleys> Message-ID: <3BA17A0B.820A4528@megsinet.net> I ran into a problem today which seems to have the same symptoms. I normally telnet to linux and start the ppp connection from the command line. Today I tried starting from kppp and it would dial and attempt to authenticate and then die. I found that I had no DNS address defined. Adding the DNS ip address provided by my ISP solved the problem. It is unclear to my why this would make a difference. Shawn Fertch wrote: > I've been reading through the different HOW-TO's to try and figure a problem > out. I posted a little bit ago asking this question, but didn't receive an > answer. I really need to get this going but can't find the answer to what > I'm looking for in the how-to's. > > Problem: I have a home LAN comprised of various OS machines (Slack 8, Free > BSD 4.2, Solaris 8, Win9x, Win2k), with the gateway machine having Slack 8 > and an external 56k modem as my connection to the internet. The gateway > machine has all of the connection information in there correctly, and I added > the following lines to the end of my rc.local file for the internal machines > to get outside: > > ipchains -P forward DENY > ipchains -A forward -i ppp0 -j MASQ > > With this machine connected to my LAN, I can get it to dial. I hear the ISP > pickup and the handshake begin. However, the modem hangs up because it can't > get authorization. I'm assuming that it's because when my system is trying > to authenticate to the ISP it's attempting to from my LAN instead of the ISP. > I ran into this once before on my laptop, but I just disabled my LAN and > redialed. However with the box that's dialing being my gateway, that isn't > an option. > > Below is the closest thing to an answer that I can find/think of that might > be causing this issue. IIRC, this came out of the PPPD how-to. > > < there no matter how you start pppd is this: '192.0.2.1:XXX.XXX.XX.XX'. > What this is is 'localIPaddress:remoteIPaddress'. You need it there > because normally pppd can fill in the blank itself, but fails when > connecting to an emulator.>> > > I've read the Networking and Net How-to's but didn't seem find anything that > addresses this issue. Can someone tell me if this is the cause of my issue > why I can't successfully connect to my ISP through modem dial-in? I used to > have ISDN with this working, but I don't recall what I did previously or > where I got the information. Also, the box has been reloaded since I got rid > of my ISDN. > > -- > Shawn > > "Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do." > -- Bruce Lee > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Paul Overby Poverby@megsinet.net Office: 651-686-6074 Home: 452-3233 From markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net Thu Sep 13 22:36:55 2001 From: markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? References: Message-ID: <004c01c13cce$839e3e40$1e02a8c0@zippy> I am still geting used to Mandrake 8.0. My concern is that with a dual boot system Windows seems faster than Linux in KDE. Example: Explorer opening a web page 3x faster compared to KDE or netscape on same system. Is there some sort of speed tuning I should do? I am testing Linux primarily with a 133 MHz P1 with 64 mb with 20mb of swap. Don't tell me to get a faster box - I have one. WIndows 98 runs OK with this hardware. I have tried several other distributions with much the same results. I fear that the claims of Linux speed in relation to Windoze may be just hype. Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian" To: Cc: "Chrissy Showers" ; "Jeff Gallus" ; "Kevin Nagle" Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Windows Cheat Code Discovered > On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Jay Kline wrote: > > > from http://www.segfault.org/story.phtml?mode=2&id=3b8e877a-07b50980 > > > > Windows Cheat Code Discovered > > While sitting through hours of training on Registry hacking I wouldn't > doubt if this sort of feature existed. Still looking for that > WindowsRunsReallySlow key though... > > -Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jay at slushpupie.com Thu Sep 13 23:10:47 2001 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache configuration & cgi/perl In-Reply-To: <1000438217.1004.23.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> References: <1000436010.1004.16.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> <20010914051110.D39619@io.stderr.net> <1000438217.1004.23.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> Message-ID: <20010914041112.BKNO4591.femail45.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Even if ScriptAliasMatch dosnt work, you can always do the quick hack- ScriptAlias /~user/cgi-bin/ /home/user/www/cgi-bin/ On Thursday 13 September 2001 10:30 pm, you wrote: > > > > ScriptAliasMatch ^/~(user)/cgi-bin /home/$1/www/cgi-bin > > > > However, I do not have the ScriptAliasMatch -- in fact, I've never seen > that directive. I will look it up, and maybe try it if it looks like it > makes sense. Only one question: If I already have the bit, > do I really need the other thing? > > Dave -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- Your step will soil many countries. From thomas at stderr.net Thu Sep 13 23:11:11 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache configuration & cgi/perl In-Reply-To: <1000438490.1003.28.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org>; from dsherman@real-time.com on Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 10:34:45PM -0500 References: <1000436010.1004.16.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> <20010914031756.WLQY4675.femail48.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> <1000438490.1003.28.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> Message-ID: <20010914061111.E39619@io.stderr.net> On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 10:34:45PM -0500, Dave Sherman wrote: > See for yourself at http://sildara.dyndns.org/cgi-bin/test.cgi > My user directory is http://sildara.dyndns.org/~dave/cgi-bin/test.cgi Last one gives an Internal server error, what does the error log say? -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From tanner at real-time.com Thu Sep 13 23:37:01 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New and Improved -- Qwest free In-Reply-To: <000101c13caa$5fa39ef0$0101a8c0@cascade>; from veldy@visi.com on Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 06:16:30PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDEB2@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <000101c13caa$5fa39ef0$0101a8c0@cascade> Message-ID: <20010913233701.B25789@real-time.com> Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@visi.com): > Yes -- but it is QWest underneath. Everything you do will go through QWest, > including repairs. Much easier to just deal with QWest. I think Brookes(sp?) Fibre does their own runs. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From andy at theasis.com Thu Sep 13 23:48:57 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] meeting idea In-Reply-To: <20010913223106.Q18850@ringworld.org> Message-ID: > > We could even play with netstumbler and see how many 802nets we find at > > the U. Maybe we could set up an AP and use one of the decrypting > > If you do, I would *urge* and *recommend* you to work with the UMN > parties helping them audit networks or at least give knowledgable third > party input. > > But *please please please* talk to them first. Otherwise it might be > interesting getting a room at the univ because of the legal > ramifications and other things. (political fallout, etc) For example: Randall Schwartz, July 1995 Andy From esper at sherohman.org Fri Sep 14 00:01:37 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache configuration & cgi/perl In-Reply-To: <20010914061111.E39619@io.stderr.net>; from thomas@stderr.net on Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 06:11:11AM +0200 References: <1000436010.1004.16.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> <20010914031756.WLQY4675.femail48.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> <1000438490.1003.28.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> <20010914061111.E39619@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20010914000136.A16142@sherohman.org> On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 06:11:11AM +0200, Thomas Eibner wrote: > On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 10:34:45PM -0500, Dave Sherman wrote: > > See for yourself at http://sildara.dyndns.org/cgi-bin/test.cgi > > My user directory is http://sildara.dyndns.org/~dave/cgi-bin/test.cgi > > Last one gives an Internal server error, what does the error log say? Having just fought through a very similar situation earlier today, I'm going to assume that the error is a premature end of headers. If this is the case, then congratulations: You've just run afoul of suexec. That damned bastard of a module is a compile-time option, not controlled by *.conf, and, despite it being dependent on enough things being set up just so that Linux Planet says you should only use it if absolutely necessary, certain distros (like Debian) have decided to turn it on in their stock binaries. You can turn suexec off by moving it to someplace where apache can't find it. e.g., on my Debian box, I did: cd /usr/lib/apache mv suexec suexec-EVIL apachectl graceful and my CGIs under user directories magically started working. Of course, next time apt finds a new version of apache, I'll have to do this again... (And, yes, the docs say that suexec is supposed to allow execution of things which are either under the compile-time-defined DocumentRoot or accessed via a ~user path, but the Debianized version only seems to accept things under the DocumentRoot. Oops.) Oh, and suexec records its problems in suexec.log since all of them show up as premature end of headers in error.log. -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Sep 14 01:45:40 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDEB5@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Well, it looks like you are only basing your speed test on how fast each system opens a web page. Konqueror and Netscapes HTML rendering engines are slow compared to IE's. I hate MS products, but I have to say that IE is a fairly good browser, and has an extremely fast rendering engine. You might try using Galeon for linux. I've heard that it's much faster than anything else you can get for linux, and works extrememly well, though I've never tried it. As for windows vs. linux in everyday tasks... It's hard to say. It all depends on what you are doing. I for one don't really see any huge performance gains by using Linux, but the amount of what I can do is staggering compared to what I can do with windows. Plus, it is much more stable (I use Win2k and XP also). Linux seems to be much better at being a server, as windows was originally designed to be a workstation, and had server functionality basically hacked into it, poorly (win2k is better, but it's still sketchy). I like linux because it's stable, completely customizable, and most of all, free. About the only thing I use Windows for is Terminal Service to admin other win2k boxes remotely, and MS Outlook because I need to us the same groupware the rest of the company uses. Otherwise, I'm at home plugging away on a bash shell or using KDE. BTW, the latest version of KDE and Koffice rock. I would actually venture to say that Konqueror is now nearly as fast at rendering as IE. Koffice is also very impressive. You may want to upgrade to Mandrake 8.1 when it's ready (before the end of Sep. supposedly). 8.0 had/has some very annoying bugs which affect it's performance, stability, and usability. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Mark Browne [mailto:markbrowne@mn.mediaone.net] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 10:37 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? I am still geting used to Mandrake 8.0. My concern is that with a dual boot system Windows seems faster than Linux in KDE. Example: Explorer opening a web page 3x faster compared to KDE or netscape on same system. Is there some sort of speed tuning I should do? I am testing Linux primarily with a 133 MHz P1 with 64 mb with 20mb of swap. Don't tell me to get a faster box - I have one. WIndows 98 runs OK with this hardware. I have tried several other distributions with much the same results. I fear that the claims of Linux speed in relation to Windoze may be just hype. Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian" To: Cc: "Chrissy Showers" ; "Jeff Gallus" ; "Kevin Nagle" Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Windows Cheat Code Discovered > On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Jay Kline wrote: > > > from http://www.segfault.org/story.phtml?mode=2&id=3b8e877a-07b50980 > > > > Windows Cheat Code Discovered > > While sitting through hours of training on Registry hacking I wouldn't > doubt if this sort of feature existed. Still looking for that > WindowsRunsReallySlow key though... > > -Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Sep 14 02:13:18 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDEB5@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 01:45:40AM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDEB5@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010914021318.A14163@llama.dolly-llama.org> >Is there some sort of speed tuning I should do? >I am testing Linux primarily with a 133 MHz P1 with 64 mb with 20mb of swap. >Don't tell me to get a faster box - I have one. >WIndows 98 runs OK with this hardware. X is extremely resource intensive, and this is most of your problem. Also, your swap should be twice the size of your ram if your using 2.4.x kernels (that's straight from Rik Van Riel himslef) due to the VM subsystem. > >I have tried several other distributions with much the same results. >I fear that the claims of Linux speed in relation to Windoze may be just >hype. No, you just need some horsepower to see it. The multi-threaded IP stack in the new 2.4 kernels in and of itself makes it faster on the net. But the applications you're using are tuned to a slightly faster machine with plenty of ram. I'm surprised X runs at all on that machine. X is a beast. >Mark Browne > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Brian" >To: >Cc: "Chrissy Showers" ; "Jeff Gallus" >; "Kevin Nagle" >Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 8:58 AM >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Windows Cheat Code Discovered > > >> On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Jay Kline wrote: >> >> > from http://www.segfault.org/story.phtml?mode=2&id=3b8e877a-07b50980 >> > >> > Windows Cheat Code Discovered >> >> While sitting through hours of training on Registry hacking I wouldn't >> doubt if this sort of feature existed. Still looking for that >> WindowsRunsReallySlow key though... >> >> -Brian >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> tclug-list mailing list >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. "In the war against terrorism, there are no rear lines. We're all on the front lines" - William Cohen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Well, if anybody out there has dealt with line repair issues for Northpoint, Covad or Rythms, you know that this is not a good thing. Tom Veldhouse veldy@visi.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Tanner" To: Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:37 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] New and Improved -- Qwest free > Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@visi.com): > > Yes -- but it is QWest underneath. Everything you do will go through QWest, > > including repairs. Much easier to just deal with QWest. > > I think Brookes(sp?) Fibre does their own runs. > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From dsherman at real-time.com Fri Sep 14 07:41:40 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache configuration & cgi/perl In-Reply-To: <20010914061111.E39619@io.stderr.net> References: <1000436010.1004.16.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> <20010914031756.WLQY4675.femail48.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> <1000438490.1003.28.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> <20010914061111.E39619@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <1000471306.998.0.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> On Thu, 2001-09-13 at 23:11, Thomas Eibner wrote: > On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 10:34:45PM -0500, Dave Sherman wrote: > > See for yourself at http://sildara.dyndns.org/cgi-bin/test.cgi > > My user directory is http://sildara.dyndns.org/~dave/cgi-bin/test.cgi > > Last one gives an Internal server error, what does the error log say? > The error log says "Premature end of script headers". Dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010914/09c09146/attachment.pgp From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Fri Sep 14 07:46:28 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? Message-ID: Mark, Windows 1998 is being compared to Linux 2001. It's like Ben said: the applications are tuned to different (older vs. newer) hardware configs, and you need more swap (and swap won't necessarily make it lightning fast, but all around better in a few respects). IE will be faster for a number of reasons (most of it loads at boot, it is much newer than at least Netscape (4.xx) on Linux, ...), and differences will be exacerbated by running on a lower memory (for this particular kernel) client with inadequate swap space. Good luck, Troy >>> markbrowne@mn.mediaone.net 09/13/01 10:36PM >>> I am still geting used to Mandrake 8.0. My concern is that with a dual boot system Windows seems faster than Linux in KDE. Example: Explorer opening a web page 3x faster compared to KDE or netscape on same system. Is there some sort of speed tuning I should do? I am testing Linux primarily with a 133 MHz P1 with 64 mb with 20mb of swap. Don't tell me to get a faster box - I have one. WIndows 98 runs OK with this hardware. I have tried several other distributions with much the same results. I fear that the claims of Linux speed in relation to Windoze may be just hype. Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian" To: Cc: "Chrissy Showers" ; "Jeff Gallus" ; "Kevin Nagle" Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Windows Cheat Code Discovered > On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Jay Kline wrote: > > > from http://www.segfault.org/story.phtml?mode=2&id=3b8e877a-07b50980 > > > > Windows Cheat Code Discovered > > While sitting through hours of training on Registry hacking I wouldn't > doubt if this sort of feature existed. Still looking for that > WindowsRunsReallySlow key though... > > -Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dsherman at real-time.com Fri Sep 14 07:49:48 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache configuration & cgi/perl In-Reply-To: <20010914000136.A16142@sherohman.org> References: <1000436010.1004.16.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> <20010914031756.WLQY4675.femail48.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> <1000438490.1003.28.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> <20010914061111.E39619@io.stderr.net> <20010914000136.A16142@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <1000471794.998.5.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> On Fri, 2001-09-14 at 00:01, Dave Sherohman wrote: > Having just fought through a very similar situation earlier today, > I'm going to assume that the error is a premature end of headers. > > If this is the case, then congratulations: You've just run afoul of > suexec. That damned bastard of a module is a compile-time option, > not controlled by *.conf, and, despite it being dependent on enough > things being set up just so that Linux Planet says you should only > use it if absolutely necessary, certain distros (like Debian) have > decided to turn it on in their stock binaries. > > You can turn suexec off by moving it to someplace where apache can't > find it. e.g., on my Debian box, I did: > > cd /usr/lib/apache > mv suexec suexec-EVIL > apachectl graceful > > and my CGIs under user directories magically started working. Of > course, next time apt finds a new version of apache, I'll have to do > this again... > > (And, yes, the docs say that suexec is supposed to allow execution of > things which are either under the compile-time-defined DocumentRoot > or accessed via a ~user path, but the Debianized version only seems > to accept things under the DocumentRoot. Oops.) > > Oh, and suexec records its problems in suexec.log since all of them > show up as premature end of headers in error.log. It appears that you may be correct on this. I am running RedHat 6.2, and I found a suexec_log in /var/log/httpd/. This log is showing the following msg: [2001-09-13 23:00:17]: emerg: cannot get docroot information (/home/dave) [2001-09-13 23:00:21]: info: (target/actual) uid: (dave/dave) gid: (dave/dave) cmd: test.cgi But in my case, suexec lives in /usr/sbin/. Is there a way to keep Apache from using it? I will do some looking myself. Thanks. Dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010914/daaea20b/attachment.pgp From chrome at real-time.com Fri Sep 14 08:06:43 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? In-Reply-To: <004c01c13cce$839e3e40$1e02a8c0@zippy>; from markbrowne@mn.mediaone.net on Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 10:36:55PM -0500 References: <004c01c13cce$839e3e40$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: <20010914080638.A13760@real-time.com> > Is there some sort of speed tuning I should do? as someone else said; try a different browser. Mozilla will *drag* on a p133 (it was horribly slow on my p166); but galeon ought to run just fine. (I was happy with it on my p166/48MB). also, try a leaner environment than KDE. the worst swapping I ever heard in my life was a p75 running KDE in 24MB. (NT4sp1 ran quite happily there, belive it or not). GNOME is not going to be much/any more memory friendly. if you _must_ have a desktop environment, try XFCE. my advice is to just abandon the desktop environment altogether; and only run a lightweight window manager (FVWM 2.4, Blackbox, WindowMaker, pick one from Freshmeat). after some time experimenting and customizing, you'll be much happier. > I am testing Linux primarily with a 133 MHz P1 with 64 mb with 20mb of swap. > Don't tell me to get a faster box - I have one. > WIndows 98 runs OK with this hardware. Windows seems to run faster, because it integrates *everything* into the kernel. the equivalents of the window manager, desktop environment, and web browser, are all tightly integrated with the kernel; with no real permission checking. it runs really fast at times; but when something goes wrong, it's likely to bring everything crashing down. > I have tried several other distributions with much the same results. most distributions are optimized for eye candy, not for speed. it doesn't matter what distro you use; it's all in how you customize it. > I fear that the claims of Linux speed in relation to Windoze may be just > hype. depends what you're doing with it. for web browsing on a pentium-class box, Win98 may indeed be faster than the environments most distros ship with today. but look back at what was running on the linux desktop in 1998; and try that. you'll be surprised at the difference. I remember using VNC to access a 486/66/48MB, running FVWM2, and browsing the web almost as fast as the p200 on my desk. I remember WordPerfect 8 ran pretty acceptably on that little linux box as well; even over VNC. compared very nicely to Word on my win95/p200/32MB desktop. I also remember impressing a DOS-centric programmer by showing him AfterStep (circa RH 5.1). his words were "Wow.. that's Linux!??" :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Fri Sep 14 08:15:19 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDEB5@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: Try Opera under Linux. It flies and doesn't crash the machine the way IE does. Also, your swap is too small (windows dynamically manages swap, so it is probably using 60-100 MB of swap, try system monitor to see). If you want to run X on that slow a machine, try a smaller window manager, like fwm, etc. KDE is designed for faster machines. I don't run it on a machine slower than 200 MHz. Anything slower, I run Linux without X and use it for a server. I had a 486-100 under samba as my PDC until 2 months ago, it would out perform a PII-233 with 4 times the RAM under NT. Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 | |-----Original Message----- |From: Mark Browne [mailto:markbrowne@mn.mediaone.net] |Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 10:37 PM |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org |Subject: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? | | |I am still geting used to Mandrake 8.0. |My concern is that with a dual boot system Windows seems faster than Linux |in KDE. |Example: Explorer opening a web page 3x faster compared to KDE or netscape |on same system. |Is there some sort of speed tuning I should do? |I am testing Linux primarily with a 133 MHz P1 with 64 mb with |20mb of swap. |Don't tell me to get a faster box - I have one. |WIndows 98 runs OK with this hardware. | |I have tried several other distributions with much the same results. |I fear that the claims of Linux speed in relation to Windoze may be just |hype. | |Mark Browne From poverby at megsinet.net Fri Sep 14 08:34:01 2001 From: poverby at megsinet.net (Paul Overby) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDEB5@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20010914021318.A14163@llama.dolly-llama.org> Message-ID: <3BA20749.EDBBB0E0@megsinet.net> I found more memory was an excellent investment. Win95 on a 200MHz with 32 meg of memory ran fine but netscape in a KDE desktop was veritually paralyzed by swapping. I upgraded to 96 meg and now both systems are rather comparable. One interstering performance difference I found was in downloads. On Linux with a 33k modem I can download files 3 to 4 times faster than I can on my win98 machine with a 56k modem. The win98 machine is nearly twice the hardware as well. Obviously there are other variables here besides the OS but I'm still pleased. Anyone have guess at whats going on. Ben Lutgens wrote: > >Is there some sort of speed tuning I should do? > >I am testing Linux primarily with a 133 MHz P1 with 64 mb with 20mb of swap. > >Don't tell me to get a faster box - I have one. > >WIndows 98 runs OK with this hardware. > > X is extremely resource intensive, and this is most of your problem. Also, > your swap should be twice the size of your ram if your using 2.4.x kernels > (that's straight from Rik Van Riel himslef) due to the VM subsystem. > > > > >I have tried several other distributions with much the same results. > >I fear that the claims of Linux speed in relation to Windoze may be just > >hype. > > No, you just need some horsepower to see it. The multi-threaded IP stack in > the new 2.4 kernels in and of itself makes it faster on the net. But the > applications you're using are tuned to a slightly faster machine with > plenty of ram. > > I'm surprised X runs at all on that machine. X is a beast. > > >Mark Browne > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Brian" > >To: > >Cc: "Chrissy Showers" ; "Jeff Gallus" > >; "Kevin Nagle" > >Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 8:58 AM > >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Windows Cheat Code Discovered > > > > > >> On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Jay Kline wrote: > >> > >> > from http://www.segfault.org/story.phtml?mode=2&id=3b8e877a-07b50980 > >> > > >> > Windows Cheat Code Discovered > >> > >> While sitting through hours of training on Registry hacking I wouldn't > >> doubt if this sort of feature existed. Still looking for that > >> WindowsRunsReallySlow key though... > >> > >> -Brian > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> tclug-list mailing list > >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -- > Ben Lutgens > Sistina Software Inc. > > "In the war against terrorism, there are no rear lines. We're all on the > front lines" - William Cohen > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature -- Paul Overby Poverby@megsinet.net Office: 651-686-6074 Home: 452-3233 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010914/3f000392/attachment.htm From ben at nerp.net Fri Sep 14 08:48:19 2001 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? In-Reply-To: <004c01c13cce$839e3e40$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- to add to all the previous comments, here's my opinion: start out with a more lightweight distribution, like VA linux (based on redhat 6.2). use a more efficient, window manager, like blackbox, or fvwm2. the thing you can do with linux is actualy find out more easily what kinds of things are taking up resources.. load up a terminal, and run the 'top' command.. then when top is up, use the 'M' key to change to "sort by memory usage" that will show you what is using all your ram, with mandrake 8, and all the KDE stuff, i wouldn't be supprised that you were using it all up, and just spending your whole day swaping. just as a basis for comparison: PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM TIME COMMAND 12793 ben 9 0 812 608 520 S 0.0 0.4 0:01 blackbox 17426 ben 10 0 1444 1444 1136 S 0.1 1.1 0:00 rxvt 17452 ben 9 0 2268 2260 1768 S 2.9 1.7 0:00 xterm 17427 ben 9 0 1400 1396 1080 S 0.0 1.0 0:00 bash by looking at the different processes i'm running on my xterm server.. you see that the blackbox window manager is taking up only 800K or so of ram, and by using rxvt, insntead of xterm, I save about 800K of ram also. compare this to KDE, which uses many megs of ram. and a kde terminal that uses over 4MB of ram (sorry if i'm off a little.. i'm going from memory) if all you do is STFW, then maybe win98 and IE are good enough for you, but if you want to get more signifigant tasks done, linux is more powerfull, and more secure in it's core design. Thank You, Ben Kochie (ben@nerp.net) "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Mark Browne wrote: > I am still geting used to Mandrake 8.0. > My concern is that with a dual boot system Windows seems faster than Linux > in KDE. > Example: Explorer opening a web page 3x faster compared to KDE or netscape > on same system. > Is there some sort of speed tuning I should do? > I am testing Linux primarily with a 133 MHz P1 with 64 mb with 20mb of swap. > Don't tell me to get a faster box - I have one. > WIndows 98 runs OK with this hardware. > > I have tried several other distributions with much the same results. > I fear that the claims of Linux speed in relation to Windoze may be just > hype. > > Mark Browne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian" > To: > Cc: "Chrissy Showers" ; "Jeff Gallus" > ; "Kevin Nagle" > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 8:58 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Windows Cheat Code Discovered > > > > On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Jay Kline wrote: > > > > > from http://www.segfault.org/story.phtml?mode=2&id=3b8e877a-07b50980 > > > > > > Windows Cheat Code Discovered > > > > While sitting through hours of training on Registry hacking I wouldn't > > doubt if this sort of feature existed. Still looking for that > > WindowsRunsReallySlow key though... > > > > -Brian > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBO6IKpctpDhsSpvgtAQElZAP+MvW/8nQP5D1YK1QxL0eiN7xpMU28PoFO onBWlzuOQPHUMzAvuW1sXCrpNQsPFYWmigQXGLZIAPhRJ7KtETfov7jKD4MqGnrZ p3qw3LpH6j4uA7nfgomhmUpUxj2vNF8v94945+Jgj+TGUMz43gf7HlJKmNuxQftk r7PuUe5Xkfs= =aKsL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From thomas at stderr.net Fri Sep 14 09:04:45 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? In-Reply-To: <20010914021318.A14163@llama.dolly-llama.org>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 02:13:18AM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDEB5@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20010914021318.A14163@llama.dolly-llama.org> Message-ID: <20010914160445.H39619@io.stderr.net> On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 02:13:18AM -0500, Ben Lutgens wrote: > >Is there some sort of speed tuning I should do? > >I am testing Linux primarily with a 133 MHz P1 with 64 mb with 20mb of swap. > >Don't tell me to get a faster box - I have one. > >WIndows 98 runs OK with this hardware. > > X is extremely resource intensive, and this is most of your problem. Also, > your swap should be twice the size of your ram if your using 2.4.x kernels > (that's straight from Rik Van Riel himslef) due to the VM subsystem. And windows is not? I became convinced that I wasn't going to use Windows2k for anything on my new machine after seeing how hot my processors got in Win2k idle-mode. This is Linux when I'm using the system: SYS Temp: +39.00C (limit = +450C, hysteresis = +400C) CPU Temp: +36.30C (limit = +600C, hysteresis = +550C) SBr Temp: +25.00C (limit = +650C, hysteresis = +600C) Right after I rebooted from a 10 minute what-am-I-really-doing-here in windows the temperature was way above 50C. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Fri Sep 14 09:03:16 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? In-Reply-To: <3BA20749.EDBBB0E0@megsinet.net> Message-ID: Windows has a registry entry (I forget where) that limits the speed of a download. There are some web sites that have some speed tuning for running Windows under a cable modem/DSL connection: http://www.speedguide.net/Cable_modems/cable_patches.shtml http://www.cable-modems.org/articles/speed_tweaks/ Your mileage may vary... Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Paul Overby Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 8:34 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? I found more memory was an excellent investment. Win95 on a 200MHz with 32 meg of memory ran fine but netscape in a KDE desktop was veritually paralyzed by swapping. I upgraded to 96 meg and now both systems are rather comparable. One interstering performance difference I found was in downloads. On Linux with a 33k modem I can download files 3 to 4 times faster than I can on my win98 machine with a 56k modem. The win98 machine is nearly twice the hardware as well. Obviously there are other variables here besides the OS but I'm still pleased. Anyone have guess at whats going on. From thomas at stderr.net Fri Sep 14 09:07:13 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache configuration & cgi/perl In-Reply-To: <1000471794.998.5.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org>; from dsherman@real-time.com on Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 07:49:48AM -0500 References: <1000436010.1004.16.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> <20010914031756.WLQY4675.femail48.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> <1000438490.1003.28.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> <20010914061111.E39619@io.stderr.net> <20010914000136.A16142@sherohman.org> <1000471794.998.5.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> Message-ID: <20010914160713.I39619@io.stderr.net> On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 07:49:48AM -0500, Dave Sherman wrote: > [2001-09-13 23:00:17]: emerg: cannot get docroot information (/home/dave) > [2001-09-13 23:00:21]: info: (target/actual) uid: (dave/dave) gid: (dave/dave) cmd: test.cgi > > But in my case, suexec lives in /usr/sbin/. Is there a way to keep Apache from using it? I > will do some looking myself. Thanks. chmod -x /usr/sbin/suexec ? -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net Fri Sep 14 09:01:04 2001 From: markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? References: Message-ID: <002b01c13d25$b4c6db60$1e02a8c0@zippy> Sorry about that. I even re-read before posting and missed the size. I have a 200mb swap on my test machine - not 20. The reason I am trying to learn Linux is to see if I want to risk my GURU reputation to recommend it at work and for my friends. I do NOT want to spend my life running around cobbling up other peoples systems. I want a distro I can recommend right out of the box - that will do what "average" folks do. (surfing, e-mail, word processing) I gave the example of surfing the web because it is such a common task. Other areas of perceived slow speed are slow boot-ups and time to spawn new X window apps. These are apples to apples kind of comparisons. Windows does a windowing system and I am using the tools installed by default. I expect my test distribution to work the same way. Having to cherry pick and tune apps does not cut it. OK, X-windows is a resource pig. What else am I going to do to run a GUI on Linux? (see comment on running out of the box above) I don't see a lot of difference using Gnome. I will not recommend FWM to newbies, even if faster. They will not feel that it is something better. I am not going to switch people over to a text based system, no mater how well it runs SAMBA or Apache. Despite the bashing and crashing - for a lot of the folks I support- windows does just install and work. The default apps and setting are pretty reasonable. Windows does a fair job of tying all the little bits together for a nice responsive system. Sure they cheat - they don't have to do a modular system - they don't have to. Does it really come down to admitting that windows is really better for Joe-six-pack consumer computers? I hope not. Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Spinti" To: Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 8:15 AM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? > Try Opera under Linux. It flies and doesn't crash the machine the way IE > does. > > Also, your swap is too small (windows dynamically manages swap, so it is > probably using 60-100 MB of swap, try system monitor to see). > > If you want to run X on that slow a machine, try a smaller window manager, > like fwm, etc. KDE is designed for faster machines. I don't run it on a > machine slower than 200 MHz. Anything slower, I run Linux without X and use > it for a server. I had a 486-100 under samba as my PDC until 2 months ago, > it would out perform a PII-233 with 4 times the RAM under NT. > > Thanks, > > James Spinti > jspinti at dartdist.com > 952-368-3278 x396 > fax 952-368-3255 > > | > |-----Original Message----- > |From: Mark Browne [mailto:markbrowne@mn.mediaone.net] > |Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 10:37 PM > |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > |Subject: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? > | > | > |I am still geting used to Mandrake 8.0. > |My concern is that with a dual boot system Windows seems faster than Linux > |in KDE. > |Example: Explorer opening a web page 3x faster compared to KDE or netscape > |on same system. > |Is there some sort of speed tuning I should do? > |I am testing Linux primarily with a 133 MHz P1 with 64 mb with > |20mb of swap. > |Don't tell me to get a faster box - I have one. > |WIndows 98 runs OK with this hardware. > | > |I have tried several other distributions with much the same results. > |I fear that the claims of Linux speed in relation to Windoze may be just > |hype. > | > |Mark Browne > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From doug at northlandstudios.com Fri Sep 14 09:16:32 2001 From: doug at northlandstudios.com (Doug) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? In-Reply-To: <20010914160445.H39619@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: Hey what program gets those temp reading's under linux? I have an asus board and had a temp gauge program from asus running on it when it had windows on it. That would be awefully nice for linux... -- Doug Henry, MCSE/MCP+I Senior Applications Developer/DBA Gage Impact Incentives doug_henry@gage.com (work) doug@northlandstudios.com (personal) -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Thomas Eibner Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 9:05 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 02:13:18AM -0500, Ben Lutgens wrote: > >Is there some sort of speed tuning I should do? > >I am testing Linux primarily with a 133 MHz P1 with 64 mb with 20mb of swap. > >Don't tell me to get a faster box - I have one. > >WIndows 98 runs OK with this hardware. > > X is extremely resource intensive, and this is most of your problem. Also, > your swap should be twice the size of your ram if your using 2.4.x kernels > (that's straight from Rik Van Riel himslef) due to the VM subsystem. And windows is not? I became convinced that I wasn't going to use Windows2k for anything on my new machine after seeing how hot my processors got in Win2k idle-mode. This is Linux when I'm using the system: SYS Temp: +39.00C (limit = +450C, hysteresis = +400C) CPU Temp: +36.30C (limit = +600C, hysteresis = +550C) SBr Temp: +25.00C (limit = +650C, hysteresis = +600C) Right after I rebooted from a 10 minute what-am-I-really-doing-here in windows the temperature was way above 50C. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From esper at sherohman.org Fri Sep 14 09:17:04 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache configuration & cgi/perl In-Reply-To: <20010914160713.I39619@io.stderr.net>; from thomas@stderr.net on Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 04:07:13PM +0200 References: <1000436010.1004.16.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> <20010914031756.WLQY4675.femail48.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> <1000438490.1003.28.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> <20010914061111.E39619@io.stderr.net> <20010914000136.A16142@sherohman.org> <1000471794.998.5.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> <20010914160713.I39619@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20010914091704.A18805@sherohman.org> On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 04:07:13PM +0200, Thomas Eibner wrote: > On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 07:49:48AM -0500, Dave Sherman wrote: > > But in my case, suexec lives in /usr/sbin/. Is there a way to keep Apache from using it? I > > will do some looking myself. Thanks. > > chmod -x /usr/sbin/suexec ? Hadn't thought of that... I know that suexec will be disabled if apache can't find it on startup, so it would make sense for it to also be disabled if it's there but not executable. -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From gregory.siems at pca.state.mn.us Fri Sep 14 09:00:33 2001 From: gregory.siems at pca.state.mn.us (Siems, Gregory) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? Message-ID: win-modem vs. hardware modem? > ---------- > From: Paul Overby[SMTP:poverby@megsinet.net] > Reply To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 8:34 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? > > I found more memory was an excellent investment. Win95 on a 200MHz with 32 meg of memory ran fine but netscape in a KDE desktop was veritually paralyzed by swapping. I upgraded to 96 meg and now both systems are rather comparable. > > One interstering performance difference I found was in downloads. On Linux with a 33k modem I can download files > 3 to 4 times faster than I can on my win98 machine with a 56k modem. The win98 machine is nearly twice the hardware as well. Obviously there are other variables here besides the OS but I'm still pleased. Anyone have guess at > whats going on. > > Ben Lutgens wrote: > > >Is there some sort of speed tuning I should do? > >I am testing Linux primarily with a 133 MHz P1 with 64 mb with 20mb of swap. > >Don't tell me to get a faster box - I have one. > >WIndows 98 runs OK with this hardware. > > X is extremely resource intensive, and this is most of your problem. Also, > your swap should be twice the size of your ram if your using 2.4.x kernels > (that's straight from Rik Van Riel himslef) due to the VM subsystem. > > > > >I have tried several other distributions with much the same results. > >I fear that the claims of Linux speed in relation to Windoze may be just > >hype. > > No, you just need some horsepower to see it. The multi-threaded IP stack in > the new 2.4 kernels in and of itself makes it faster on the net. But the > applications you're using are tuned to a slightly faster machine with > plenty of ram. > > I'm surprised X runs at all on that machine. X is a beast. > > >Mark Browne > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Brian" > >To: > >Cc: "Chrissy Showers" ; "Jeff Gallus" > >; "Kevin Nagle" > >Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 8:58 AM > >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Windows Cheat Code Discovered > > > > > >> On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Jay Kline wrote: > >> > >> > from http://www.segfault.org/story.phtml?mode=2&id=3b8e877a-07b50980 > >> > > >> > Windows Cheat Code Discovered > >> > >> While sitting through hours of training on Registry hacking I wouldn't > >> doubt if this sort of feature existed. Still looking for that > >> WindowsRunsReallySlow key though... > >> > >> -Brian > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> tclug-list mailing list > >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >_______________________________________________ > >tclug-list mailing list > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -- > Ben Lutgens > Sistina Software Inc. > > "In the war against terrorism, there are no rear lines. We're all on the > front lines" - William Cohen > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature > > -- > Paul Overby > Poverby@megsinet.net > Office: 651-686-6074 > Home: 452-3233 > > From thomas at stderr.net Fri Sep 14 09:35:14 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? In-Reply-To: ; from doug@northlandstudios.com on Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 09:16:32AM -0500 References: <20010914160445.H39619@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20010914163514.K39619@io.stderr.net> On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 09:16:32AM -0500, Doug wrote: > Hey what program gets those temp reading's under linux? I have an asus board > and had a temp gauge program from asus running on it when it had windows on > it. That would be awefully nice for linux... lm-sensors .. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From steveg at transition.com Fri Sep 14 09:40:43 2001 From: steveg at transition.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? Message-ID: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBFF4@postman.transition.com> Mark, I know this is gonna get me trouble but here goes.. As much as I hate to admit it, for Joe six pack Linux just isn't there yet. I run Windows 2k here at work but at home I run Linux about 95% of the time and love it. My brother after dealing with windows crashing all the time decided to try linux. I tried to talk him into a dual boot but he would not even consider it so I gave him my Mandrake 8 disks and told him to have at it. He got it installed on his own (for the most part) and got the stuff he used most working and loved it. For about two days, until he had to install real player and a couple of other apps he wanted to try. Most people don't want to work any harder than point and click to get stuff to work. In another year or two this will change but for now Linux just isn't ready for the average home user, corporate user may be a different story but I kinda doubt that too. To make an already long and boring post a little shorter, my brother has gone back to using windows. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Browne [mailto:markbrowne@mn.mediaone.net] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 9:01 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? Sorry about that. I even re-read before posting and missed the size. I have a 200mb swap on my test machine - not 20. The reason I am trying to learn Linux is to see if I want to risk my GURU reputation to recommend it at work and for my friends. I do NOT want to spend my life running around cobbling up other peoples systems. I want a distro I can recommend right out of the box - that will do what "average" folks do. (surfing, e-mail, word processing) I gave the example of surfing the web because it is such a common task. Other areas of perceived slow speed are slow boot-ups and time to spawn new X window apps. These are apples to apples kind of comparisons. Windows does a windowing system and I am using the tools installed by default. I expect my test distribution to work the same way. Having to cherry pick and tune apps does not cut it. OK, X-windows is a resource pig. What else am I going to do to run a GUI on Linux? (see comment on running out of the box above) I don't see a lot of difference using Gnome. I will not recommend FWM to newbies, even if faster. They will not feel that it is something better. I am not going to switch people over to a text based system, no mater how well it runs SAMBA or Apache. Despite the bashing and crashing - for a lot of the folks I support- windows does just install and work. The default apps and setting are pretty reasonable. Windows does a fair job of tying all the little bits together for a nice responsive system. Sure they cheat - they don't have to do a modular system - they don't have to. Does it really come down to admitting that windows is really better for Joe-six-pack consumer computers? I hope not. Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Spinti" To: Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 8:15 AM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? > Try Opera under Linux. It flies and doesn't crash the machine the way IE > does. > > Also, your swap is too small (windows dynamically manages swap, so it is > probably using 60-100 MB of swap, try system monitor to see). > > If you want to run X on that slow a machine, try a smaller window manager, > like fwm, etc. KDE is designed for faster machines. I don't run it on a > machine slower than 200 MHz. Anything slower, I run Linux without X and use > it for a server. I had a 486-100 under samba as my PDC until 2 months ago, > it would out perform a PII-233 with 4 times the RAM under NT. > > Thanks, > > James Spinti > jspinti at dartdist.com > 952-368-3278 x396 > fax 952-368-3255 > > | > |-----Original Message----- > |From: Mark Browne [mailto:markbrowne@mn.mediaone.net] > |Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 10:37 PM > |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > |Subject: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? > | > | > |I am still geting used to Mandrake 8.0. > |My concern is that with a dual boot system Windows seems faster than Linux > |in KDE. > |Example: Explorer opening a web page 3x faster compared to KDE or netscape > |on same system. > |Is there some sort of speed tuning I should do? > |I am testing Linux primarily with a 133 MHz P1 with 64 mb with > |20mb of swap. > |Don't tell me to get a faster box - I have one. > |WIndows 98 runs OK with this hardware. > | > |I have tried several other distributions with much the same results. > |I fear that the claims of Linux speed in relation to Windoze may be just > |hype. > | > |Mark Browne > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Fri Sep 14 09:57:04 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? In-Reply-To: <002b01c13d25$b4c6db60$1e02a8c0@zippy> References: <002b01c13d25$b4c6db60$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: <20010914095704.B20196@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 09:01:04AM -0500, Mark Browne wrote: > OK, X-windows is a resource pig. > What else am I going to do to run a GUI on Linux? > (see comment on running out of the box above) X is not that much of a resource hog. I run X on several 486s and 586s without problems (my main box at home is a 200 Mhz pentium with 256 MB RAM). As others have said, with RAM so cheap you might want to consider adding some ( I just a 128 MB stick free after rebate), but 64 MB of RAM is fine, as long as you're willing to make compromises - that's as much or more than I have on a couple of boxes. > I don't see a lot of difference using Gnome. > I will not recommend FWM to newbies, even if faster. > They will not feel that it is something better. > I am not going to switch people over to a text based system, no mater how > well it runs SAMBA or Apache. No need to go text based by a long shot. For window managers take a look a Window Maker. Pretty, functionall, and easy to configure, without being bloated. I use it everywhere (586's and on Sparc Solaris) except on 486's. KDE and Gnome are over-kill for most people anyway. > Despite the bashing and crashing - for a lot of the folks I support- windows > does just install and work. > The default apps and setting are pretty reasonable. > Windows does a fair job of tying all the little bits together for a nice > responsive system. > Sure they cheat - they don't have to do a modular system - they don't have > to. Well, newer versions of Windows and Office won't run worth anything on the hardware that you mentioned either. Similarly, on Linux Mozilla is probably too much of a resource hog, but Netscape 4.7 should be OK. Star Office will run OK, but hog a lot of memory. Others can give better info on the more modular office apps, I don't really use them except to read MS attachments that people send me. As for Windows default installs, they don't have nearly as much available as a default Linux install. Text editors like Wordpad and Textedit and no spreadsheet? Now if you are calling a default install the stuff than some manufactures bundle ( MS Home Office or whatever) then they are comparable. > Does it really come down to admitting that windows is really better for > Joe-six-pack consumer computers? > I hope not. I don't think so, but to run Linux you do have to be willing to learn things that are different than Windows. I think that distros like Progeny and Mandrake do a decent job of making it work for newbies. Installation can be a drag, but how many people ever install (or even upgrade) Windows or MacOS on their computers? -- Jim Crumley | crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From bradyh at bitstream.net Fri Sep 14 10:18:40 2001 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? In-Reply-To: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBFF4@postman.transition.com> References: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBFF4@postman.transition.com> Message-ID: <1000480720.3267.65.camel@localhost.localdomain> 1. The average new Joe sixpack machine is at least 1.2GHz/256MB. 2. I use Helix Gnome and their RedCarpet program for almost all software installation. It makes installation so fast and easy. Unfortunately you can't use it for things like RealPlayer and Flash yet but I assume that will come before long. Anybody: Can things like Flash be installed with an RPM when you don't know ahead of time what directory they will need to be installed in? Brady > Mark, > > I know this is gonna get me trouble but here goes.. > > As much as I hate to admit it, for Joe six pack Linux just isn't there yet. > I run Windows 2k here at work but at home I run Linux about 95% of the time > and love it. My brother after dealing with windows crashing all the time > decided to try linux. I tried to talk him into a dual boot but he would not > even consider it so I gave him my Mandrake 8 disks and told him to have at > it. He got it installed on his own (for the most part) and got the stuff he > used most working and loved it. For about two days, until he had to install > real player and a couple of other apps he wanted to try. Most people don't > want to work any harder than point and click to get stuff to work. In > another year or two this will change but for now Linux just isn't ready for > the average home user, corporate user may be a different story but I kinda > doubt that too. > > To make an already long and boring post a little shorter, my brother has > gone back to using windows. From poverby at megsinet.net Fri Sep 14 10:17:26 2001 From: poverby at megsinet.net (Paul Overby) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - Downloads References: Message-ID: <3BA21F86.EC70A4CA@megsinet.net> 56k on Win98 is a US robotics sporster. The 33k is a Supraexpress. Both systems using netscape 4.6. They are both 4 or 5 years old.Win98 seems to start out at 3 or 4 k /sec but invariably drops to <2k after a couple of minutes. On Linux the whole download usually occurs at 4 to 6 K. Even win98 downloads seem faster if I route through the ppp connection on linux as opposed to direct dialing from the win98 box. "Siems, Gregory" wrote: > win-modem vs. hardware modem? > > > ---------- > > From: Paul Overby[SMTP:poverby@megsinet.net] > > Reply To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 8:34 AM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? > > > > I found more memory was an excellent investment. Win95 on a 200MHz with 32 meg of memory ran fine but netscape in a KDE desktop was veritually paralyzed by swapping. I upgraded to 96 meg and now both systems are rather comparable. > > > > One interstering performance difference I found was in downloads. On Linux with a 33k modem I can download files > > 3 to 4 times faster than I can on my win98 machine with a 56k modem. The win98 machine is nearly twice the hardware as well. Obviously there are other variables here besides the OS but I'm still pleased. Anyone have guess at > > whats going on. > > > > Ben Lutgens wrote: > > > > >Is there some sort of speed tuning I should do? > > >I am testing Linux primarily with a 133 MHz P1 with 64 mb with 20mb of swap. > > >Don't tell me to get a faster box - I have one. > > >WIndows 98 runs OK with this hardware. > > > > X is extremely resource intensive, and this is most of your problem. Also, > > your swap should be twice the size of your ram if your using 2.4.x kernels > > (that's straight from Rik Van Riel himslef) due to the VM subsystem. > > > > > > > >I have tried several other distributions with much the same results. > > >I fear that the claims of Linux speed in relation to Windoze may be just > > >hype. > > > > No, you just need some horsepower to see it. The multi-threaded IP stack in > > the new 2.4 kernels in and of itself makes it faster on the net. But the > > applications you're using are tuned to a slightly faster machine with > > plenty of ram. > > > > I'm surprised X runs at all on that machine. X is a beast. > > > > >Mark Browne > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Brian" > > >To: > > >Cc: "Chrissy Showers" ; "Jeff Gallus" > > >; "Kevin Nagle" > > >Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 8:58 AM > > >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Windows Cheat Code Discovered > > > > > > > > >> On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Jay Kline wrote: > > >> > > >> > from http://www.segfault.org/story.phtml?mode=2&id=3b8e877a-07b50980 > > >> > > > >> > Windows Cheat Code Discovered > > >> > > >> While sitting through hours of training on Registry hacking I wouldn't > > >> doubt if this sort of feature existed. Still looking for that > > >> WindowsRunsReallySlow key though... > > >> > > >> -Brian > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> tclug-list mailing list > > >> tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > >> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >tclug-list mailing list > > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > >_______________________________________________ > > >tclug-list mailing list > > >tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > -- > > Ben Lutgens > > Sistina Software Inc. > > > > "In the war against terrorism, there are no rear lines. We're all on the > > front lines" - William Cohen > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature > > > > -- > > Paul Overby > > Poverby@megsinet.net > > Office: 651-686-6074 > > Home: 452-3233 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Paul Overby Poverby@megsinet.net Office: 651-686-6074 Home: 452-3233 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010914/5e1f3894/attachment.html From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Fri Sep 14 10:24:00 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? In-Reply-To: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBFF4@postman.transition.com> Message-ID: Unfortunately, I have to agree on the whole. I have several machines at home. Some Win9x, one NT4, a dual boot Linux/Win9x and a RH 6.2 machine. I have tried to get my kids to use Linux for web stuff, etc. They are truly impressed when they see me running Linux with the multiple windows with VMware, KMail, Opera, etc. and love the looks of KDE 2. But, once they get it going and log in, they don't know what to do. Of course, in all fairness, they avoid the NT machine too, since it requires a C-A-D to log on. If there were a distribution that allowed you to set up an automatic login (with user privileges) with decent fonts and Opera (personal favorite), KMail, KOffice and various plugins installed, I would push Linux much harder to my non-computer literate friends :( There was talk of creating such a distro on the list a while back, anybody doing anything? I would be willing to help, but my knowledge is pretty limited when it comes to that kind of thing. Or, is there already one out there that does this? Redmond Linux is supposed to be something like this, but it is not stable enough to try yet. Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Steve Grobe |Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 9:41 AM |To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' |Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? | | |Mark, | |I know this is gonna get me trouble but here goes.. | |As much as I hate to admit it, for Joe six pack Linux just isn't there yet. |I run Windows 2k here at work but at home I run Linux about 95% of the time |and love it. My brother after dealing with windows crashing all the time |decided to try linux. I tried to talk him into a dual boot but he |would not |even consider it so I gave him my Mandrake 8 disks and told him to have at |it. He got it installed on his own (for the most part) and got |the stuff he |used most working and loved it. For about two days, until he had |to install |real player and a couple of other apps he wanted to try. Most people don't |want to work any harder than point and click to get stuff to work. In |another year or two this will change but for now Linux just isn't ready for |the average home user, corporate user may be a different story but I kinda |doubt that too. | |To make an already long and boring post a little shorter, my brother has |gone back to using windows. | | | |-----Original Message----- |From: Mark Browne [mailto:markbrowne@mn.mediaone.net] |Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 9:01 AM |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org |Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? | | |Sorry about that. |I even re-read before posting and missed the size. I have a 200mb |swap on my |test machine - not 20. | |The reason I am trying to learn Linux is to see if I want to risk my GURU |reputation to recommend it at work and for my friends. |I do NOT want to spend my life running around cobbling up other peoples |systems. |I want a distro I can recommend right out of the box - that will do what |"average" folks do. |(surfing, e-mail, word processing) | |I gave the example of surfing the web because it is such a common task. |Other areas of perceived slow speed are slow boot-ups and time to |spawn new |X window apps. | |These are apples to apples kind of comparisons. |Windows does a windowing system and I am using the tools installed by |default. |I expect my test distribution to work the same way. |Having to cherry pick and tune apps does not cut it. | |OK, X-windows is a resource pig. |What else am I going to do to run a GUI on Linux? |(see comment on running out of the box above) | |I don't see a lot of difference using Gnome. |I will not recommend FWM to newbies, even if faster. |They will not feel that it is something better. |I am not going to switch people over to a text based system, no mater how |well it runs SAMBA or Apache. | |Despite the bashing and crashing - for a lot of the folks I |support- windows |does just install and work. |The default apps and setting are pretty reasonable. |Windows does a fair job of tying all the little bits together for a nice |responsive system. |Sure they cheat - they don't have to do a modular system - they don't have |to. | |Does it really come down to admitting that windows is really better for |Joe-six-pack consumer computers? |I hope not. | |Mark Browne | | |----- Original Message ----- |From: "James Spinti" |To: |Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 8:15 AM |Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? | | |> Try Opera under Linux. It flies and doesn't crash the machine the way IE |> does. |> |> Also, your swap is too small (windows dynamically manages swap, so it is |> probably using 60-100 MB of swap, try system monitor to see). |> |> If you want to run X on that slow a machine, try a smaller |window manager, |> like fwm, etc. KDE is designed for faster machines. I don't run it on a |> machine slower than 200 MHz. Anything slower, I run Linux without X and |use |> it for a server. I had a 486-100 under samba as my PDC until 2 months |ago, |> it would out perform a PII-233 with 4 times the RAM under NT. |> |> Thanks, |> |> James Spinti |> jspinti at dartdist.com |> 952-368-3278 x396 |> fax 952-368-3255 |> |> | |> |-----Original Message----- |> |From: Mark Browne [mailto:markbrowne@mn.mediaone.net] |> |Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 10:37 PM |> |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org |> |Subject: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? |> | |> | |> |I am still geting used to Mandrake 8.0. |> |My concern is that with a dual boot system Windows seems faster than |Linux |> |in KDE. |> |Example: Explorer opening a web page 3x faster compared to KDE or |netscape |> |on same system. |> |Is there some sort of speed tuning I should do? |> |I am testing Linux primarily with a 133 MHz P1 with 64 mb with |> |20mb of swap. |> |Don't tell me to get a faster box - I have one. |> |WIndows 98 runs OK with this hardware. |> | |> |I have tried several other distributions with much the same results. |> |I fear that the claims of Linux speed in relation to Windoze may be just |> |hype. |> | |> |Mark Browne |> |> _______________________________________________ |> tclug-list mailing list |> tclug-list@mn-linux.org |> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list | |_______________________________________________ |tclug-list mailing list |tclug-list@mn-linux.org |https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list |_______________________________________________ |tclug-list mailing list |tclug-list@mn-linux.org |https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list | From gregory.siems at pca.state.mn.us Fri Sep 14 10:27:11 2001 From: gregory.siems at pca.state.mn.us (Siems, Gregory) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? Message-ID: 1. The average new Joe sixpack machine is at least 1.2GHz/256MB.??? You must know a whole different class of Joe sixpack than I do... try < 300 MHz (133 - 233 typical), < 128 MB (16 - 64 typical) > ---------- > From: Brady Hegberg[SMTP:bradyh@bitstream.net] > Reply To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 10:18 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? > > 1. The average new Joe sixpack machine is at least 1.2GHz/256MB. > 2. I use Helix Gnome and their RedCarpet program for almost all > software installation. It makes installation so fast and easy. > Unfortunately you can't use it for things like RealPlayer and Flash yet > but I assume that will come before long. > > Anybody: Can things like Flash be installed with an RPM when you don't > know ahead of time what directory they will need to be installed in? > > Brady > > > Mark, > > > > I know this is gonna get me trouble but here goes.. > > > > As much as I hate to admit it, for Joe six pack Linux just isn't there yet. > > I run Windows 2k here at work but at home I run Linux about 95% of the time > > and love it. My brother after dealing with windows crashing all the time > > decided to try linux. I tried to talk him into a dual boot but he would not > > even consider it so I gave him my Mandrake 8 disks and told him to have at > > it. He got it installed on his own (for the most part) and got the stuff he > > used most working and loved it. For about two days, until he had to install > > real player and a couple of other apps he wanted to try. Most people don't > > want to work any harder than point and click to get stuff to work. In > > another year or two this will change but for now Linux just isn't ready for > > the average home user, corporate user may be a different story but I kinda > > doubt that too. > > > > To make an already long and boring post a little shorter, my brother has > > gone back to using windows. > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From thomas at stderr.net Fri Sep 14 10:31:17 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? In-Reply-To: ; from jspinti@dart.dartdist.com on Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 10:24:00AM -0500 References: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBFF4@postman.transition.com> Message-ID: <20010914173117.L39619@io.stderr.net> On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 10:24:00AM -0500, James Spinti wrote: > Unfortunately, I have to agree on the whole. I have several machines at > home. Some Win9x, one NT4, a dual boot Linux/Win9x and a RH 6.2 machine. I > have tried to get my kids to use Linux for web stuff, etc. They are truly > impressed when they see me running Linux with the multiple windows with > VMware, KMail, Opera, etc. and love the looks of KDE 2. But, once they get > it going and log in, they don't know what to do. And you instantly knew what to do the first time you saw the infamous "Start" button the first time ever you installed windows and booted it up? I was pretty helpless (as far as I can remember). -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From natecars at real-time.com Fri Sep 14 10:41:29 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] meeting idea In-Reply-To: <3BA1763F.2000603@qwest.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Marc Ohmann wrote: > How 'bout wireless networking for a meeting topic? I am sure a lot of > people would be interested in hearing security solutions and ideas with > all the hype of insecure 802.11b networks. I am currently considering > an internal packet filter that only allows ssh connections over the > wireless net. This sounds nice but alot of things break over ssh and > X11 display forwarding. Does anyone have experience with wireless VPNs? > Maybe there is no solution yet but I still think it would be a good > topic of discussion. Put a gateway behind your wireless 'net, run FreeS/WAN on that gateway with support for X.509 certs, etc, and then config Win2k/PGPNet to connect to the VPN for all traffic. As safe as it gets.. I haven't actually done it this way for Windows, but I have set it up with Linux on the client + gw.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Fri Sep 14 10:49:13 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? In-Reply-To: <20010914173117.L39619@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: |And you instantly knew what to do the first time you saw the infamous |"Start" button the first time ever you installed windows and booted it |up? I was pretty helpless (as far as I can remember). | Of course, isn't it intuitive that to shutdown a machine you push start? :) Being the typical lazy middle class kids that they are, they wanted it handed to them... :( They both acknowledge the superiority of Linux, they are sick of crashes, etc. But, it is still easier for them to reboot than to take the time to learn something new...as I said, they won't even willingly use the NT machine... Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Sep 14 10:55:04 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > Mark, > > Windows 1998 is being compared to Linux 2001. Yup, I'd have to agree. kernel 2.4, X 4.x, gnome, and KDE are designed in 2001 for 2001 hardware. If you go back and compare a 1998 distro, say RH5.2 running fvwm you may see an increase in performance. One thing I noticed about X 4.x is that it runs better than 3.x on new hardware but slower on old hardware. I've got a 233 with 192 MB RAM and Mandrake 8 runs circles around Win2K, I'm not brave enough to try XP on it. The funny thing is that NT admins were giving me funny looks when I told them Win2K even ran on my system. Most didn't think it'd even boot. Even in today's distros a 133 is a useful machine. -Brian From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Sep 14 11:00:46 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Oh where to weigh in. How about with my laptop. I currently have a p266 laptop. I recently dropped in an extra 64mb or ram (best $25 I've spent lately) but before that it just had 32mb or RAM. Running netscape 4.7 on this machine was rather painful. (I use blackbox as a window manager) I tried out Opera on the thing and it ran wonderfully with just 32mb of ram. Now that I have 96mb or ram in the thing I still run blackbox as the WM and Opera as the browser. Leaves me enough memory/processor time to do other stuff. I would never consider running KDE or GNOME on this machine. I know from experience that they are just too big. A 3000Mhz with 128mb of RAM is a good machine for KDE or GNOME. Until then, try other window managers. IceWM is really nice for Windows converts, and is fast/lightweight, etc. Window Maker takes some getting used to, but it's nice. FVWM2 is...well...FVWM2. It works. I never got into configuring it though. QVWM is another Windows like thing. The single config file is it's big advantage. OK, this topic has been beaten to death... Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, James Spinti wrote: > Unfortunately, I have to agree on the whole. I have several machines at > home. Some Win9x, one NT4, a dual boot Linux/Win9x and a RH 6.2 machine. I > have tried to get my kids to use Linux for web stuff, etc. They are truly > impressed when they see me running Linux with the multiple windows with > VMware, KMail, Opera, etc. and love the looks of KDE 2. But, once they get > it going and log in, they don't know what to do. Of course, in all > fairness, they avoid the NT machine too, since it requires a C-A-D to log > on. > > If there were a distribution that allowed you to set up an automatic login > (with user privileges) with decent fonts and Opera (personal favorite), > KMail, KOffice and various plugins installed, I would push Linux much harder > to my non-computer literate friends :( > > There was talk of creating such a distro on the list a while back, anybody > doing anything? I would be willing to help, but my knowledge is pretty > limited when it comes to that kind of thing. Or, is there already one out > there that does this? Redmond Linux is supposed to be something like this, > but it is not stable enough to try yet. > > Thanks, > > James Spinti > jspinti at dartdist.com > 952-368-3278 x396 > fax 952-368-3255 > > |-----Original Message----- > |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Steve Grobe > |Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 9:41 AM > |To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > |Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? > | > | > |Mark, > | > |I know this is gonna get me trouble but here goes.. > | > |As much as I hate to admit it, for Joe six pack Linux just isn't there yet. > |I run Windows 2k here at work but at home I run Linux about 95% of the time > |and love it. My brother after dealing with windows crashing all the time > |decided to try linux. I tried to talk him into a dual boot but he > |would not > |even consider it so I gave him my Mandrake 8 disks and told him to have at > |it. He got it installed on his own (for the most part) and got > |the stuff he > |used most working and loved it. For about two days, until he had > |to install > |real player and a couple of other apps he wanted to try. Most people don't > |want to work any harder than point and click to get stuff to work. In > |another year or two this will change but for now Linux just isn't ready for > |the average home user, corporate user may be a different story but I kinda > |doubt that too. > | > |To make an already long and boring post a little shorter, my brother has > |gone back to using windows. > | > | > | > |-----Original Message----- > |From: Mark Browne [mailto:markbrowne@mn.mediaone.net] > |Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 9:01 AM > |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > |Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? > | > | > |Sorry about that. > |I even re-read before posting and missed the size. I have a 200mb > |swap on my > |test machine - not 20. > | > |The reason I am trying to learn Linux is to see if I want to risk my GURU > |reputation to recommend it at work and for my friends. > |I do NOT want to spend my life running around cobbling up other peoples > |systems. > |I want a distro I can recommend right out of the box - that will do what > |"average" folks do. > |(surfing, e-mail, word processing) > | > |I gave the example of surfing the web because it is such a common task. > |Other areas of perceived slow speed are slow boot-ups and time to > |spawn new > |X window apps. > | > |These are apples to apples kind of comparisons. > |Windows does a windowing system and I am using the tools installed by > |default. > |I expect my test distribution to work the same way. > |Having to cherry pick and tune apps does not cut it. > | > |OK, X-windows is a resource pig. > |What else am I going to do to run a GUI on Linux? > |(see comment on running out of the box above) > | > |I don't see a lot of difference using Gnome. > |I will not recommend FWM to newbies, even if faster. > |They will not feel that it is something better. > |I am not going to switch people over to a text based system, no mater how > |well it runs SAMBA or Apache. > | > |Despite the bashing and crashing - for a lot of the folks I > |support- windows > |does just install and work. > |The default apps and setting are pretty reasonable. > |Windows does a fair job of tying all the little bits together for a nice > |responsive system. > |Sure they cheat - they don't have to do a modular system - they don't have > |to. > | > |Does it really come down to admitting that windows is really better for > |Joe-six-pack consumer computers? > |I hope not. > | > |Mark Browne > | > | > |----- Original Message ----- > |From: "James Spinti" > |To: > |Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 8:15 AM > |Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? > | > | > |> Try Opera under Linux. It flies and doesn't crash the machine the way IE > |> does. > |> > |> Also, your swap is too small (windows dynamically manages swap, so it is > |> probably using 60-100 MB of swap, try system monitor to see). > |> > |> If you want to run X on that slow a machine, try a smaller > |window manager, > |> like fwm, etc. KDE is designed for faster machines. I don't run it on a > |> machine slower than 200 MHz. Anything slower, I run Linux without X and > |use > |> it for a server. I had a 486-100 under samba as my PDC until 2 months > |ago, > |> it would out perform a PII-233 with 4 times the RAM under NT. > |> > |> Thanks, > |> > |> James Spinti > |> jspinti at dartdist.com > |> 952-368-3278 x396 > |> fax 952-368-3255 > |> > |> | > |> |-----Original Message----- > |> |From: Mark Browne [mailto:markbrowne@mn.mediaone.net] > |> |Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 10:37 PM > |> |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > |> |Subject: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? > |> | > |> | > |> |I am still geting used to Mandrake 8.0. > |> |My concern is that with a dual boot system Windows seems faster than > |Linux > |> |in KDE. > |> |Example: Explorer opening a web page 3x faster compared to KDE or > |netscape > |> |on same system. > |> |Is there some sort of speed tuning I should do? > |> |I am testing Linux primarily with a 133 MHz P1 with 64 mb with > |> |20mb of swap. > |> |Don't tell me to get a faster box - I have one. > |> |WIndows 98 runs OK with this hardware. > |> | > |> |I have tried several other distributions with much the same results. > |> |I fear that the claims of Linux speed in relation to Windoze may be just > |> |hype. > |> | > |> |Mark Browne > |> > |> _______________________________________________ > |> tclug-list mailing list > |> tclug-list@mn-linux.org > |> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > | > |_______________________________________________ > |tclug-list mailing list > |tclug-list@mn-linux.org > |https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > |_______________________________________________ > |tclug-list mailing list > |tclug-list@mn-linux.org > |https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > | > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Sep 14 11:01:39 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, James Spinti wrote: > > If there were a distribution that allowed you to set up an automatic login > (with user privileges) with decent fonts and Opera (personal favorite), > KMail, KOffice and various plugins installed, I would push Linux much harder > to my non-computer literate friends :( I don't know enough about what happens when linux boots up (yet) to make that work but it can't be too hard. I'm assuming you could create a user and in /etc/shadow blank out their password. Then in /etc/rc.local run a 'bash -login user' and it drops them to a shell prompt as that user. Go a step farther and drop 'startx' into their .bashrc and your linux workstation becomes a Windows-like PC. This is all theory but I can't imagine it being any harder than that. The real beauty of linux is that you have options like that :-) -Brian From thomas at stderr.net Fri Sep 14 11:04:59 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? In-Reply-To: ; from jspinti@dart.dartdist.com on Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 10:49:13AM -0500 References: <20010914173117.L39619@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20010914180459.M39619@io.stderr.net> On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 10:49:13AM -0500, James Spinti wrote: > > |And you instantly knew what to do the first time you saw the infamous > |"Start" button the first time ever you installed windows and booted it > |up? I was pretty helpless (as far as I can remember). > | > Of course, isn't it intuitive that to shutdown a machine you push start? :) > > Being the typical lazy middle class kids that they are, they wanted it > handed to them... :( They both acknowledge the superiority of Linux, they > are sick of crashes, etc. But, it is still easier for them to reboot than > to take the time to learn something new...as I said, they won't even > willingly use the NT machine... Make it so that it automatically gets into kde|sawfish|yourwmhere and put mozilla|netscape|konqueror in their .xinitrc? It can't be much easier. It only took my wife one question to forever remember how she starts a browser on my system. Actually I can see on my system that when she reboots her own Win98 she always uses my computer to check her email while her machine is booting. Okay, it only took a little "neglect" to make her use Linux for 6 months last year until she figured out how to get online from windows. I told her how to ssh into our gateway to get ppp running and that just worked for her. I ruined it myself by going online from her computer (in Win98) one day and she asked me how I did that! ;-) and she just stayed in windows of shear convenience. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Sep 14 11:09:03 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Auto-Login and Win2K terminal services Message-ID: These questions/comments didn't get addressed in the Linux vs. Windows thread, so here goes. Automatic X login: The latest version (2.2.3.1) of GDM will do this. That could be a bit of compiling work if you aren't running Debian Unstable though. I'm pretty sure most versions of KDM can be configured for auto-logon as well. Win2K terminal services: http://www.rdesktop.org And grab the latest patchset from: http://bibl4.oru.se/projects/rdesktop/ The main reason the patches aren't yet in the release version is becaue there is lots of stuff that they break on all platforms, and are pretty much geared to i386 Linux. They work well on i386 Linux, but the developer wants rdesktop to work on all things X and *NIX, and development is slower than users would like. Anyway, if you need windows2000 for an RDP (win2k terminal services) give rdesktop a try. It works very well for my needs. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Sep 14 11:16:58 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? In-Reply-To: <20010914180459.M39619@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: | Okay, it only took a little "neglect" to make her use Linux for 6 months | last year until she figured out how to get online from windows. | I told her how to ssh into our gateway to get ppp running and that just | worked for her. I ruined it myself by going online from her computer (in | Win98) one day and she asked me how I did that! ;-) and she just stayed | in windows of shear convenience. Get pppd working in demand mode. That way when you open your browser on a machine on the network pppd will just dial. Your inital connection to the webpage will timeout, but connection is automatic. Or you could setup the MasqDialer server. There's a windows 9X client to make it dial. Never played with this myself. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From bradyh at bitstream.net Fri Sep 14 11:20:54 2001 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1000484454.3261.77.camel@localhost.localdomain> For GDM (Gnome Display Manager) users there are "automatic login" settings. Run gdmconfig to see them. > > If there were a distribution that allowed you to set up an automatic login > > (with user privileges) with decent fonts and Opera (personal favorite), > > KMail, KOffice and various plugins installed, I would push Linux much harder > > to my non-computer literate friends :( > > I don't know enough about what happens when linux boots up (yet) to make > that work but it can't be too hard. I'm assuming you could create a user > and in /etc/shadow blank out their password. Then in /etc/rc.local run a > 'bash -login user' and it drops them to a shell prompt as that user. Go a > step farther and drop 'startx' into their .bashrc and your linux > workstation becomes a Windows-like PC. This is all theory but I can't > imagine it being any harder than that. > > The real beauty of linux is that you have options like that :-) > > -Brian From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Sep 14 11:26:00 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] meeting idea In-Reply-To: <3BA1763F.2000603@qwest.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Marc Ohmann wrote: > How 'bout wireless networking for a meeting topic? I am sure a lot of > people would be interested in hearing security solutions and ideas with > all the hype of insecure 802.11b networks. I am currently considering > an internal packet filter that only allows ssh connections over the > wireless net. This sounds nice but alot of things break over ssh and > X11 display forwarding. Does anyone have experience with wireless VPNs? > Maybe there is no solution yet but I still think it would be a good > topic of discussion. That would be cool. Are there any good HOW-TOs out there about setting up an 802.11 network the RIGHT way? A friend of mine wants to network 2 buildings 1/2 mile apart. I'd like to set up SSH tunneling between the buildings but I'd also like to prevent anyone from using it as free internet bandwidth. Is there any good way of doing this? -Brian From thomas at stderr.net Fri Sep 14 11:26:44 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? In-Reply-To: ; from zibby+tclug@ringworld.org on Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 11:16:58AM -0500 References: <20010914180459.M39619@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20010914182644.N39619@io.stderr.net> On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 11:16:58AM -0500, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > | Okay, it only took a little "neglect" to make her use Linux for 6 months > | last year until she figured out how to get online from windows. > | I told her how to ssh into our gateway to get ppp running and that just > | worked for her. I ruined it myself by going online from her computer (in > | Win98) one day and she asked me how I did that! ;-) and she just stayed > | in windows of shear convenience. > > Get pppd working in demand mode. That way when you open your browser on a > machine on the network pppd will just dial. Your inital connection to the > webpage will timeout, but connection is automatic. I couldn't get that working, btw it was a dial-back connection which took 2++ minutes to get up and running, I'm sure the browser would time out before the machine got connected. And that was back in Denmark, really not a problem here with cable modem and we had dsl the last 6 months of our stay there. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From jim at herrick.net Fri Sep 14 11:28:34 2001 From: jim at herrick.net (Jim Herrick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #1429 - 9 msgs References: <200109141608.f8EG87S05073@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <00df01c13d3a$4cedb990$99c0a8c0@jherrick> Must be Joe-Expensive-Six-Pack!!! My kind of guy... %> > Message: 2 > From: "Siems, Gregory" > To: "'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'" > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:27:11 -0500 > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > 1. The average new Joe sixpack machine is at least 1.2GHz/256MB.??? From amy at real-time.com Fri Sep 14 11:22:40 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] meeting idea In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 11:26:00AM -0500 References: <3BA1763F.2000603@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010914112240.I1581@real-time.com> On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 11:26:00AM -0500, Brian (lxy@cloudnet.com) wrote: > That would be cool. Are there any good HOW-TOs out there about setting up > an 802.11 network the RIGHT way? A friend of mine wants to network 2 > buildings 1/2 mile apart. I'd like to set up SSH tunneling between the > buildings but I'd also like to prevent anyone from using it as free > internet bandwidth. Is there any good way of doing this? There was an excellent article on /. a week or so a go that had 20 tips on how to secure wireless networks. I can't find the URL again and I can't get to the older articles on /. right now. The article was about the guys who went around on both coasts with seeing how many networks even had WEP enabled. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Sep 14 11:36:13 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? In-Reply-To: <1000484454.3261.77.camel@localhost.localdomain>; from bradyh@bitstream.net on Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 11:20:54AM -0500 References: <1000484454.3261.77.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20010914113613.A23204@llama.sistina.com> On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 11:20:54AM -0500, Brady Hegberg wrote: >For GDM (Gnome Display Manager) users there are "automatic login" >settings. Run gdmconfig to see them. > WOAH! i didn't even know that was there! -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. "In the war against terrorism, there are no rear lines. We're all on the front lines" - William Cohen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010914/9f84ecf9/attachment.pgp From natecars at real-time.com Fri Sep 14 11:44:59 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] meeting idea In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, Brian wrote: > That would be cool. Are there any good HOW-TOs out there about setting up > an 802.11 network the RIGHT way? A friend of mine wants to network 2 > buildings 1/2 mile apart. I'd like to set up SSH tunneling between the > buildings but I'd also like to prevent anyone from using it as free > internet bandwidth. Is there any good way of doing this? IPSec. IPSec. IPSec. Once I actually bother getting it working with Windows, I'll document it. :) Linux<->Linux, it's simple.. just follow the basic directions, and use the remote subnet as 0.0.0.0/0. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Fri Sep 14 11:49:36 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sniffing clear-text wireless networks Message-ID: Well, this is a follow up to my message the other day, asking how to sniff clear-text 802.11b wireless networks under Linux. I figured out how to do the basics.. got it working using a PrismII card (only one supported under Linux for this, as far as I can tell). Here's the document I wrote on it: http://www.natecarlson.com/linux/wireless-sniff.html I know, it's messy, but covers the basics. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From bradyh at bitstream.net Fri Sep 14 11:50:37 2001 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #1429 - 9 msgs In-Reply-To: <00df01c13d3a$4cedb990$99c0a8c0@jherrick> References: <200109141608.f8EG87S05073@sprite.real-time.com> <00df01c13d3a$4cedb990$99c0a8c0@jherrick> Message-ID: <1000486237.3261.93.camel@localhost.localdomain> The operative term is "new" here...I'm not talking about $20 garage sale computers. ;-) > Must be Joe-Expensive-Six-Pack!!! My kind of guy... %> > > > Message: 2 > > From: "Siems, Gregory" > > To: "'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'" > > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? > > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:27:11 -0500 > > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > > 1. The average new Joe sixpack machine is at least 1.2GHz/256MB.??? > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dsherman at real-time.com Fri Sep 14 12:22:04 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache configuration & cgi/perl In-Reply-To: <20010914091704.A18805@sherohman.org> References: <1000436010.1004.16.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> <20010914031756.WLQY4675.femail48.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> <1000438490.1003.28.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> <20010914061111.E39619@io.stderr.net> <20010914000136.A16142@sherohman.org> <1000471794.998.5.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> <20010914160713.I39619@io.stderr.net> <20010914091704.A18805@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <1000488130.1006.10.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> On Fri, 2001-09-14 at 09:17, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 04:07:13PM +0200, Thomas Eibner wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 07:49:48AM -0500, Dave Sherman wrote: > > > But in my case, suexec lives in /usr/sbin/. Is there a way to keep Apache from using it? I > > > will do some looking myself. Thanks. > > > > chmod -x /usr/sbin/suexec ? > > Hadn't thought of that... I know that suexec will be disabled if > apache can't find it on startup, so it would make sense for it to > also be disabled if it's there but not executable. > Just so everyone knows, Dave Sherohman's idea of renaming suexec worked fine. However, the chmod -x idea did *not* work. I think Apache still tried to use it, even though it was not executable. In my error_log I started seeing 'permission refused' after I tried that idea, but I simply made it executable again, and then renamed it so that Apache could not find it. Thanks for all the help. Dave Sherman (not Sherohman ;-) ) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Everything you do will > go through > > QWest, including repairs. Much easier to just deal with QWest. > > I think Brookes(sp?) Fibre does their own runs. > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From clay at fandre.com Fri Sep 14 13:17:16 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dishwasher Message-ID: <20010914131716.D9190@fandre.com> But does it run Linux? http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi?catagory=free From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Fri Sep 14 11:38:12 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #1429 - 9 msgs Message-ID: Oh, wait! That was Joe-Wine-In-A-Box, not Joe-Sixpack at all! ;-) To be fair, he did say _new_ machine, although not every average Joe went out and bought a machine recently. >>> jim@herrick.net 09/14/01 11:28AM >>> Must be Joe-Expensive-Six-Pack!!! My kind of guy... %> > From: "Siems, Gregory" > 1. The average new Joe sixpack machine is at least 1.2GHz/256MB.??? From PCZeilon at att.net Fri Sep 14 13:04:42 2001 From: PCZeilon at att.net (Carl & Paula Zeilon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How to hack? Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010914124859.029cb470@127.0.0.1> I have a friend who has dared me to get into his computer. He is running a cable modem in Woodbury. I don't know which ISP. After boasting about all the benefits of this great high speed connection, I asked if he ran any kind of firewall. He told me that indeed, one was not necessary. His ISP told him he was covered. He also runs no kind of antivirus software. I told him "you're nuts", he told me "I double dog dare you to hack me". Alas, I have zero experience in this area, but I would love to prove a point. Any suggestions? Please, nothing too cruel. From wilson at visi.com Fri Sep 14 13:38:05 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How to hack? In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010914124859.029cb470@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, Carl & Paula Zeilon wrote: > I have a friend who has dared me to get into his computer. He is running a > cable modem in Woodbury. I don't know which ISP. After boasting about all > the benefits of this great high speed connection, I asked if he ran any > kind of firewall. He told me that indeed, one was not necessary. His > ISP told him he was covered. He also runs no kind of antivirus > software. I told him "you're nuts", he told me "I double dog dare you to > hack me". Alas, I have zero experience in this area, but I would love to > prove a point. Any suggestions? Please, nothing too cruel. One word: Hitler There, that should kill this thread, right? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From jay at slushpupie.com Fri Sep 14 13:44:31 2001 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How to hack? In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010914124859.029cb470@127.0.0.1> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010914124859.029cb470@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <20010914184505.YDOI9391.femail30.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Send him an email with backoriface attached. Then just findout his IP address. There are back oriface control apps for linux even. Or, if you can somehow get VNC installed on his computer without his notcing... maybe try the PingOfDeath, or any other numerous things. Something even more simple might be to use smbclient and see if he has any shares on his computer. (If it is NT, he already has C$ as a share) Jay On Friday 14 September 2001 01:04 pm, you wrote: > I have a friend who has dared me to get into his computer. He is running a > cable modem in Woodbury. I don't know which ISP. After boasting about all > the benefits of this great high speed connection, I asked if he ran any > kind of firewall. He told me that indeed, one was not necessary. His > ISP told him he was covered. He also runs no kind of antivirus > software. I told him "you're nuts", he told me "I double dog dare you to > hack me". Alas, I have zero experience in this area, but I would love to > prove a point. Any suggestions? Please, nothing too cruel. > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- You have an ability to sense and know higher truth. From mpaulsen at charter.net Fri Sep 14 13:44:40 2001 From: mpaulsen at charter.net (Mike Paulsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How to hack? In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010914124859.029cb470@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010914134047.025e5eb0@pop.charter.net> Have him visit http://www.dslreports.com/secureme If you want to give him a good dose of FUD send him to: http://grc.com/default.htm At 01:04 PM 9/14/01, you wrote: >I have a friend who has dared me to get into his computer. He is running >a cable modem in Woodbury. I don't know which ISP. After boasting about >all the benefits of this great high speed connection, I asked if he ran >any kind of firewall. He told me that indeed, one was not necessary. His >ISP told him he was covered. He also runs no kind of antivirus >software. I told him "you're nuts", he told me "I double dog dare you to >hack me". Alas, I have zero experience in this area, but I would love to >prove a point. Any suggestions? Please, nothing too cruel. > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gregory.siems at pca.state.mn.us Fri Sep 14 13:46:26 2001 From: gregory.siems at pca.state.mn.us (Siems, Gregory) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #1429 - 9 msgs Message-ID: Yeah, he did say _new_ (missed that the first time around. my bad.). Don't know very many Joe sixpacks that have bought new in the last year or two. Sigh, must be hanging out with the wrong Joe's (sixpack-of-bud-light-in-cans)... > ---------- > From: Troy.A Johnson[SMTP:troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us] > Reply To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 11:38 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #1429 - 9 msgs > > Oh, wait! That was Joe-Wine-In-A-Box, not Joe-Sixpack > at all! ;-) > > To be fair, he did say _new_ machine, although not every > average Joe went out and bought a machine recently. > > >>> jim@herrick.net 09/14/01 11:28AM >>> > Must be Joe-Expensive-Six-Pack!!! My kind of guy... %> > > > From: "Siems, Gregory" > > 1. The average new Joe sixpack machine is at least 1.2GHz/256MB.??? > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From esper at sherohman.org Fri Sep 14 13:50:12 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How to hack? In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 01:38:05PM -0500 References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010914124859.029cb470@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <20010914135012.C18982@sherohman.org> On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 01:38:05PM -0500, Timothy Wilson wrote: > One word: Hitler > > There, that should kill this thread, right? Alas, that does not work when done intentionally. -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Sep 14 13:57:55 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How to hack? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDEB7@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> What OS is he running? > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl & Paula Zeilon [mailto:PCZeilon@att.net] > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 1:05 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] How to hack? > > > I have a friend who has dared me to get into his computer. > He is running a > cable modem in Woodbury. I don't know which ISP. After > boasting about all > the benefits of this great high speed connection, I asked if > he ran any > kind of firewall. He told me that indeed, one was not > necessary. His > ISP told him he was covered. He also runs no kind of antivirus > software. I told him "you're nuts", he told me "I double dog > dare you to > hack me". Alas, I have zero experience in this area, but I > would love to > prove a point. Any suggestions? Please, nothing too cruel. > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Sep 14 14:00:25 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How to hack? In-Reply-To: <20010914135012.C18982@sherohman.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote: > Alas, that does not work when done intentionally. Ok, then, to elaborate to our friend: A neat exploit was used when Windows shipped to gain access to the machine. It involved the use of a shovel, a case of beer, and a hammock. That's how Hitler would have done it. From doughanson at mediaone.net Fri Sep 14 14:01:17 2001 From: doughanson at mediaone.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dishwasher References: <20010914131716.D9190@fandre.com> Message-ID: <010001c13d4f$a28fac40$eaaf7a81@doug> I want, Mine is broken :( Douger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clay Fandre" To: "tclug-list" Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 1:17 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Dishwasher > But does it run Linux? > http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi?catagory=free > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From fertch at mninter.net Fri Sep 14 13:55:02 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Networked PPP connection issue In-Reply-To: <3BA17A0B.820A4528@megsinet.net> References: <01091012352001.00537@bleys> <3BA17A0B.820A4528@megsinet.net> Message-ID: <01091413550200.00249@bleys> On Thursday 13 September 2001 22:31, Paul Overby wrote: > I ran into a problem today which seems to have the same symptoms. I > normally telnet to linux and start the ppp connection from the command > line. Today I tried starting from kppp and it would dial and attempt to > authenticate and then die. I found that I had no DNS address defined. > Adding the DNS ip address provided by my ISP solved the problem. It is > unclear to my why this would make a difference. -- Yes, I have both of them in my resolv.conf file and still won't connect. I'm using the command line ppp-on ppp-off commands which has always worked for me,but not now for whatever reason. --- Shawn "Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do." -Bruce Lee From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Sep 14 14:29:21 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010914142921.3d968c34.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Brian wrote: > > On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > > > Mark, > > > > Windows 1998 is being compared to Linux 2001. > > Yup, I'd have to agree. kernel 2.4, X 4.x, gnome, and KDE are designed > in 2001 for 2001 hardware. If you go back and compare a 1998 distro, > say RH5.2 running fvwm you may see an increase in performance. I would HIGHLY recommend that people DO NOT use old distributions. Security holes up the yin-yang. If you need to use older computers, I would go for Debian or Slackware. > One thing I noticed about X 4.x is that it runs better than 3.x on new > hardware but slower on old hardware. Many drivers were not ported forward to 4.x. My display card at work, for example, is an old 1MB card that is currently restricted to using the generic and largely unaccelerated `vesa' driver (and as of Debian testing's X 4.1.0, it broke.. I may have to file a bug report on that). -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Is it possible to be / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ totally partial? \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010914/41756fb0/attachment.pgp From gabe at msi.umn.edu Fri Sep 14 14:41:45 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How to hack? In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010914124859.029cb470@127.0.0.1>; from PCZeilon@att.net on Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 01:04:42PM -0500 References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010914124859.029cb470@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <20010914144145.U4230@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> Well, I suggest the Mitnick Method: Call him up, pretending to be someone from his ISP, and have him give you his IP address and his Administrator or root password. Gabe On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 01:04:42PM -0500, Carl & Paula Zeilon wrote: > I have a friend who has dared me to get into his computer. He is running a > cable modem in Woodbury. I don't know which ISP. After boasting about all > the benefits of this great high speed connection, I asked if he ran any > kind of firewall. He told me that indeed, one was not necessary. His > ISP told him he was covered. He also runs no kind of antivirus > software. I told him "you're nuts", he told me "I double dog dare you to > hack me". Alas, I have zero experience in this area, but I would love to > prove a point. Any suggestions? Please, nothing too cruel. > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From chrome at real-time.com Fri Sep 14 14:48:00 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? In-Reply-To: ; from jspinti@dart.dartdist.com on Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 10:24:00AM -0500 References: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBFF4@postman.transition.com> Message-ID: <20010914144800.E17739@real-time.com> > If there were a distribution that allowed you to set up an automatic login > (with user privileges) scary as it may be to us paranoid-for-a-living folks; I think RH (or maybe it was Corel?) had something called 'autologin'. you specified a username at install time; and the system would automatically log in at boot time, as that user. > with decent fonts what's wrong with the fonts? some web pages have pretty heinous font layouts; but I always attributed that to sucky design tools and sucky html rendering engines. so what if a few letters are a bit jaggy around the edges? they're still readable. > and Opera (personal favorite), > KMail, KOffice and various plugins installed, I would push Linux much harder > to my non-computer literate friends :( they don't commonly install KOffice? I know RH installs KMail along with the KDE option. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Fri Sep 14 14:51:46 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How to hack? In-Reply-To: <20010914144145.U4230@monsoon.msi.umn.edu>; from gabe@msi.umn.edu on Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 02:41:45PM -0500 References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010914124859.029cb470@127.0.0.1> <20010914144145.U4230@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010914145146.A22750@trammell.dyndns.org> > On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 01:04:42PM -0500, Carl & Paula Zeilon wrote: > I told him "you're nuts", he told me "I double dog dare you to > hack me". You're being suckered here -- a hack like that requires at *least* a full triple-dog dare. Seriously though -- will your ISP smile on this behavior if you are caught? Doubt it. -- ERR_NOSIG: sigfile out of commission while removing 'all your base' references. From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Fri Sep 14 15:02:31 2001 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] More Joe Message-ID: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A593F8D1@ipserver2.interplastic.com> How about Joe Forty a' Malt Liquor? From nassarmu at mctc.mnscu.edu Fri Sep 14 15:05:59 2001 From: nassarmu at mctc.mnscu.edu (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mail Server/DNS server Message-ID: Ok, i just put in the order with Qwest for my DSL line (256up/640down) and Real-Time as my ISP... but now i have a few questions: 1) are there any good howtos for setting up DNS servers? 2) are there any good howtos for setting up mail servers? (any mailer will do, but i heard that qmail is pretty easy to setup...) 3) the package that Dennis offered me includes 8 IPs, I will be using a 200MHz RedHat machine as a FireWall, are there any good howtos on bridging networks? -munir From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Fri Sep 14 15:17:22 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dishwasher In-Reply-To: <20010914131716.D9190@fandre.com> References: <20010914131716.D9190@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010914151721.A21224@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 01:17:16PM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > But does it run Linux? > http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi?catagory=free Alas, it does not. Its kind of low tech - no timer even ;) And amazingly enough someone already claimed it, so the dishwasher is on hold pending pickup. -- Jim Crumley | Free Dmitry Sklyarov! crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | http://freesklyarov.org/ Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From duncan at sodatrain.com Fri Sep 14 14:33:32 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mail Server/DNS server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: i saw a package on freshmeat teh other day that sets up qmail, djbdns, apache (i think) as well as a couple of other things. it seemed to be relatively mature. may be worth checking out. ive always been curious to try DJBDNS. qmail is solid. try this: http://qmailtheeasyway.tripod.com/ good luck On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, Munir Nassar wrote: > Ok, i just put in the order with Qwest for my DSL line (256up/640down) and Real-Time as my ISP... > > but now i have a few questions: > 1) are there any good howtos for setting up DNS servers? > 2) are there any good howtos for setting up mail servers? (any mailer will do, but i heard that qmail is pretty easy to setup...) > 3) the package that Dennis offered me includes 8 IPs, I will be using a 200MHz RedHat machine as a FireWall, are there any good howtos on bridging networks? > > -munir > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- || || || || || || duncan shannon duncan@sodatrain.com From steveg at transition.com Fri Sep 14 15:22:17 2001 From: steveg at transition.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mail Server/DNS server Message-ID: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBFF8@postman.transition.com> I don't know anything about setting up a mailserver on Linux but I can highly recommend the O'Reilly book on DNS and BIND for setting up a DNS. I picked it up at Microcenter for about $40. It does a pretty good job of walking you through the setup and of explaining how the whole system works. For me it was well worth the money. -----Original Message----- From: Munir Nassar [mailto:nassarmu@mctc.mnscu.edu] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 3:06 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Mail Server/DNS server Ok, i just put in the order with Qwest for my DSL line (256up/640down) and Real-Time as my ISP... but now i have a few questions: 1) are there any good howtos for setting up DNS servers? 2) are there any good howtos for setting up mail servers? (any mailer will do, but i heard that qmail is pretty easy to setup...) 3) the package that Dennis offered me includes 8 IPs, I will be using a 200MHz RedHat machine as a FireWall, are there any good howtos on bridging networks? -munir _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From shane at shell.schulte.org Fri Sep 14 15:23:25 2001 From: shane at shell.schulte.org (Shane Kinney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mail Server/DNS server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010914152203.C48957-100000@pinnacle.schulte.org> You should look at the O'Reilly book: DNS & BIND. It's good stuff. It will tell you everythingy you need to know. Find it here: http://www.amazon.com. :) ~Shane On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, Munir Nassar wrote: > Ok, i just put in the order with Qwest for my DSL line (256up/640down) and Real-Time as my ISP... > > but now i have a few questions: > 1) are there any good howtos for setting up DNS servers? > 2) are there any good howtos for setting up mail servers? (any mailer will do, but i heard that qmail is pretty easy to setup...) > 3) the package that Dennis offered me includes 8 IPs, I will be using a 200MHz RedHat machine as a FireWall, are there any good howtos on bridging networks? > > -munir > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jay at slushpupie.com Fri Sep 14 15:30:03 2001 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mail Server/DNS server In-Reply-To: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBFF8@postman.transition.com> References: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBFF8@postman.transition.com> Message-ID: <20010914203038.XKGN13317.femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Half Price Books (also in SLP- off Exceslior Blvd) has the same book for $20, not even used. They also had a small collection of other O'Reilly books. I was pleasently surprised by this, as they ARE cheaper than any place else I have seen. Jay On Friday 14 September 2001 03:22 pm, you wrote: > I don't know anything about setting up a mailserver on Linux but I can > highly recommend > the O'Reilly book on DNS and BIND for setting up a DNS. I picked it up at > Microcenter for about $40. It does a pretty good job of walking you > through the setup and of explaining how the whole system works. For me it > was well worth the money. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Munir Nassar [mailto:nassarmu@mctc.mnscu.edu] > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 3:06 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Mail Server/DNS server > > > Ok, i just put in the order with Qwest for my DSL line (256up/640down) and > Real-Time as my ISP... > > but now i have a few questions: > 1) are there any good howtos for setting up DNS servers? > 2) are there any good howtos for setting up mail servers? (any mailer will > do, but i heard that qmail is pretty easy to setup...) > 3) the package that Dennis offered me includes 8 IPs, I will be using a > 200MHz RedHat machine as a FireWall, are there any good howtos on bridging > networks? > > -munir > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- And do you think (fop that I am) that I could be the Scarlet Pumpernickel? From shane at shell.schulte.org Fri Sep 14 15:33:50 2001 From: shane at shell.schulte.org (Shane Kinney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:27:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mail Server/DNS server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010914153247.J48982-100000@pinnacle.schulte.org> If you use FreeBSD it comes with the ports. Check it out under /usr/ports/net/djbdns ~Shane On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, duncan wrote: > i saw a package on freshmeat teh other day that sets up qmail, djbdns, > apache (i think) as well as a couple of other things. it seemed to be > relatively mature. may be worth checking out. ive always been curious to > try DJBDNS. qmail is solid. > > try this: > > http://qmailtheeasyway.tripod.com/ > > good luck > > On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, Munir Nassar wrote: > > > Ok, i just put in the order with Qwest for my DSL line (256up/640down) and Real-Time as my ISP... > > > > but now i have a few questions: > > 1) are there any good howtos for setting up DNS servers? > > 2) are there any good howtos for setting up mail servers? (any mailer will do, but i heard that qmail is pretty easy to setup...) > > 3) the package that Dennis offered me includes 8 IPs, I will be using a 200MHz RedHat machine as a FireWall, are there any good howtos on bridging networks? > > > > -munir > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -- > || || || || || || > duncan shannon > duncan@sodatrain.com > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Sep 14 16:24:15 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How to hack? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDEB8@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Actually, this method works very well for tracking people down too. Pretend you are from their bank and you have a very urgent matter where you need to get ahold of them. :) Some rat bastards stole my credit card number awhile back and bought a bunch of plane tix with it. I even have one of their pictures which I found on the web. Too bad the police and credit card companies don't give a damn about credit card fraud anymore. > -----Original Message----- > From: Gabe Turner [mailto:gabe@msi.umn.edu] > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 2:42 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] How to hack? > > > Well, I suggest the Mitnick Method: Call him up, pretending > to be someone from his ISP, and have him give you his IP > address and his Administrator or root password. > > Gabe > > On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 01:04:42PM -0500, Carl & Paula Zeilon wrote: > > I have a friend who has dared me to get into his computer. He is > > running a > > cable modem in Woodbury. I don't know which ISP. After > boasting about all > > the benefits of this great high speed connection, I asked > if he ran any > > kind of firewall. He told me that indeed, one was not > necessary. His > > ISP told him he was covered. He also runs no kind of antivirus > > software. I told him "you're nuts", he told me "I double > dog dare you to > > hack me". Alas, I have zero experience in this area, but I > would love to > > prove a point. Any suggestions? Please, nothing too cruel. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > Gabe Turner > gabe@msi.umn.edu > SGI Origin Systems Administrator, > University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute > for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Fri Sep 14 16:37:06 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] lightweight web browser Message-ID: <20010914163706.C14716@real-time.com> dillo.sourceforge.net it's mozilla-independent; and so doesn't have a lot of features; but it compiles pretty quickly, takes up only a few MB of memory (>7MB to render slashdot), and only uses a single >1MB executable. it also seems to be pretty library-independent... not a huge # of other libraries needed, so it's pretty hassle-free to compile & install. if I get NetBSD running with X on my z50; I'll have to use this. here's a comparison of dillo rendering www.slashdot.org, to galeon rendering www.slashdot.org: [chrome@barbarian:/home/chrome/code/dillo-0.6.1]$ps axu|grep dillo chrome 17492 0.6 1.6 6348 4320 pts/5 S 16:16 0:00 dillo www.slashdo chrome 17493 0.0 1.6 6348 4320 pts/5 S 16:16 0:00 dillo www.slashdo chrome 17509 0.0 0.2 1360 516 pts/4 S 16:17 0:00 grep dillo [chrome@barbarian:/home/chrome/code/dillo-0.6.1]$dir /usr/local/bin/dillo -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 968k Sep 14 16:13 /usr/local/bin/dillo* [chrome@barbarian:/home/chrome/code/dillo-0.6.1]$ps axu|grep galeon chrome 17535 21.3 8.3 28384 21460 tty6 S 16:19 0:04 /usr/bin/galeon-b chrome 17546 0.0 8.3 28384 21460 tty6 S 16:19 0:00 /usr/bin/galeon-b chrome 17547 0.2 8.3 28384 21460 tty6 S 16:19 0:00 /usr/bin/galeon-b chrome 17548 0.0 8.3 28384 21460 tty6 S 16:19 0:00 /usr/bin/galeon-b chrome 17556 0.0 8.3 28384 21460 tty6 S 16:19 0:00 /usr/bin/galeon-b chrome 17564 0.0 0.2 1360 516 pts/4 S 16:20 0:00 grep galeon I seem to remember some TCLUG-ers were once working on the predecessor project to this. are they still doing so? Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Fri Sep 14 15:56:44 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mail Server/DNS server Message-ID: And you could look at bookpool.com if you don't find what you need there. http://www.bookpool.com/ >>> jay@slushpupie.com 09/14/01 03:30PM >>> Half Price Books (also in SLP- off Exceslior Blvd) has the same book for $20, not even used. They also had a small collection of other O'Reilly books. I was pleasently surprised by this, as they ARE cheaper than any place else I have seen. Jay On Friday 14 September 2001 03:22 pm, you wrote: > I don't know anything about setting up a mailserver on Linux but I can > highly recommend > the O'Reilly book on DNS and BIND for setting up a DNS. I picked it up at > Microcenter for about $40. It does a pretty good job of walking you > through the setup and of explaining how the whole system works. For me it > was well worth the money. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Munir Nassar [mailto:nassarmu@mctc.mnscu.edu] > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 3:06 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Mail Server/DNS server > > > Ok, i just put in the order with Qwest for my DSL line (256up/640down) and > Real-Time as my ISP... > > but now i have a few questions: > 1) are there any good howtos for setting up DNS servers? > 2) are there any good howtos for setting up mail servers? (any mailer will > do, but i heard that qmail is pretty easy to setup...) > 3) the package that Dennis offered me includes 8 IPs, I will be using a > 200MHz RedHat machine as a FireWall, are there any good howtos on bridging > networks? > > -munir > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- And do you think (fop that I am) that I could be the Scarlet Pumpernickel? _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From fertch at mninter.net Fri Sep 14 16:50:26 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Networked PPP connection issue In-Reply-To: <01091413550200.00249@bleys> References: <01091012352001.00537@bleys> <3BA17A0B.820A4528@megsinet.net> <01091413550200.00249@bleys> Message-ID: <01091416502600.00336@bleys> I give up. I've tried everything I know how to do.... -Read multiple How-To's -Changed modems, no difference. -Changed cables, no difference. -Changed modem and cable, no difference. -Installed old version of Slack that worked previously on the same system, no difference. -Reinstalled numerous times, no difference. -Tried installing without NIC in, no difference. -Tried different dialing methods, no difference. None of the above methods have allowed me to connect a desktop machine running Slackware to the internet. Should never be this hard. I give up..... From nolanjm at juno.com Fri Sep 14 17:31:02 2001 From: nolanjm at juno.com (Jerry M Nolan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #1431 - 17 msgs Message-ID: <20010914.173209.-371215.1.nolanjm@juno.com> has anyone read the article in Wired Mag about linux being dead on the desktop?? If so, comments?? ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From natecars at real-time.com Fri Sep 14 17:35:17 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 802.11b antennas? Message-ID: Anyone either trying to get rid of or know of a local source for 2.4ghz antennas? Looking for either a Yagi or a parabolic; female N connector; 15+ dB gain. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From chrome at real-time.com Fri Sep 14 17:40:28 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Networked PPP connection issue In-Reply-To: <01091416502600.00336@bleys>; from fertch@mninter.net on Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 04:50:26PM -0500 References: <01091012352001.00537@bleys> <3BA17A0B.820A4528@megsinet.net> <01091413550200.00249@bleys> <01091416502600.00336@bleys> Message-ID: <20010914174028.C321@real-time.com> > None of the above methods have allowed me to connect a desktop machine > running Slackware to the internet. try bringing it to the next TCLUG Installfest. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From poverby at megsinet.net Fri Sep 14 17:39:53 2001 From: poverby at megsinet.net (Paul Overby) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Networked PPP connection issue References: <01091012352001.00537@bleys> <3BA17A0B.820A4528@megsinet.net> <01091413550200.00249@bleys> Message-ID: <3BA28739.FB253EBA@megsinet.net> Shawn I was actually working on two problems yesterday and the DNS had nothing to do with the ppp failure. Here are some more details on the problem I ran into. I connect by starting pppd from the command line. the ppp options file looks like this: connect "/usr/sbin/chat -f /etc/ppp/chat-script" /dev/ttyS0 115200 debug modem crtscts defaultroute noipdefault user username using kppp failed because of the first line which uses the chat-script to connect. kppp dials the connection before it calls pppd so when pppd ran the the chat-script the file the modem was already busy and it's setup to ABORT busy. I set up a script with pppd connect "/usr/sbin/chat -f /etc/ppp/chat-script" to use for the command line and deleted the connect from the options file. if you want more information on your pppd connection setup. use the debug option in the options. Check /etc/syslog.conf to see where debug messages go and tail the appropriate log file. good luck Shawn Fertch wrote: > On Thursday 13 September 2001 22:31, Paul Overby wrote: > > I ran into a problem today which seems to have the same symptoms. I > > normally telnet to linux and start the ppp connection from the command > > line. Today I tried starting from kppp and it would dial and attempt to > > authenticate and then die. I found that I had no DNS address defined. > > Adding the DNS ip address provided by my ISP solved the problem. It is > > unclear to my why this would make a difference. > -- > Yes, I have both of them in my resolv.conf file and still won't connect. I'm > using the command line ppp-on ppp-off commands which has always worked for > me,but not now for whatever reason. > > --- > Shawn > > "Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do." > -Bruce Lee > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Paul Overby Poverby@megsinet.net Office: 651-686-6074 Home: 452-3233 From spencer at sihope.com Fri Sep 14 22:49:50 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How to hack? In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDEB8@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDEB8@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010914224950.68d8129e.spencer@sihope.com> On Fri, 14 Sep 2001 16:24:15 -0500 "Austad, Jay" wrote: > Actually, this method works very well for tracking people down too. Pretend > you are from their bank and you have a very urgent matter where you need to > get ahold of them. :) Some rat bastards stole my credit card number awhile > back and bought a bunch of plane tix with it. I even have one of their > pictures which I found on the web. > But he will be expecting that. I suggest being a bit more clandestine. You should be able to get his ip in a variety of ways. maybe e-mail headers, or apache log files (if you know anyone that runs a web server you can direct him there) start an icq/irc session, run his name, address and whatever else into google.com, finger all the local isp's in his neighborhood for his username/e-mail address, play a game of quake on line and run ethereal, then run nmap and find whats vulnerable and plan accordingly. He is bound to have some open ports and services begging to be played with. -- SpencerUnderground ameriKKKa Under Attack ||mailto:spencer@real-time.com|| http://autonomous.tv/book.html From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Sep 15 01:36:02 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dishwasher In-Reply-To: <20010914131716.D9190@fandre.com> Message-ID: Hello, On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > But does it run Linux? This made me curious about compatibility. I therefore burned CDs with: (1) Debian 2.2 (2) Red Hat 7.1 (3) Mandrake 8.0 (4) Slackware 8.0 I alsoi semi-legally made backups of: (1) Windows 98 SE (2) Windows 2000 Pro (3) Windows XP (god knows what build) I then ran them all through a dishwasher cycle. The results were not pretty. People, not ONE operating system is dishwasher compatible! Every single CD got utterly destroyed. I took a picture of it and put it at http://www.yaron.org/pic/dw-cds.jpg. As you can see WinXP suffered the most damage - I think a fork hit it or something. And this is supposed to be stable? Yeesh! Where do I submit a bug report? -Yaron -- From tanner at real-time.com Sat Sep 15 02:05:19 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Total OT: Playing games Message-ID: <20010915020519.D28816@real-time.com> With fall around the corner, it seems like playing computer games isn't such a bad idea :-), cooler weather, shorter days make the warm-glow of a monitor cheerful(?) Anyways, totally talking about non-linux things, I started to re-eval my "game system", which in 1 word "sucks". Thing have changed so much in 1 year my box is almost junk. I bounced over to Gamespot to look at the Ultimate Game Machine (UGM) http://gamespot.com/gshw/stories/flat/0,12880,2712828-4,00.html Nothing too surprising. Nice to see AMD gives a good bang for the buck. Unbelievable you can get 2 40Gb drive in RAID config for $105.99! But, why or why Windows ME? Of all the crappy OS products from MS, why choose ME? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Sat Sep 15 02:06:00 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dishwasher In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'd tell you you have far too much time on your hands, but I'm sure you're well aware of that. :) Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Yaron wrote: > Hello, > > On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > But does it run Linux? > > This made me curious about compatibility. I therefore burned CDs with: > (1) Debian 2.2 > (2) Red Hat 7.1 > (3) Mandrake 8.0 > (4) Slackware 8.0 > > I alsoi semi-legally made backups of: > (1) Windows 98 SE > (2) Windows 2000 Pro > (3) Windows XP (god knows what build) > > > I then ran them all through a dishwasher cycle. > > > The results were not pretty. > > > People, not ONE operating system is dishwasher compatible! Every single CD > got utterly destroyed. I took a picture of it and put it at > http://www.yaron.org/pic/dw-cds.jpg. > > As you can see WinXP suffered the most damage - I think a fork hit it or > something. And this is supposed to be stable? Yeesh! > > Where do I submit a bug report? > > -Yaron > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Sep 15 02:13:11 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Total OT: Playing games In-Reply-To: <20010915020519.D28816@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hey, On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Of all the crappy OS products from MS, why choose ME? It boots REALLY fast. -Yaron -- From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Sep 15 02:17:47 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dishwasher In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey, On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > I'd tell you you have far too much time on your hands, but I'm sure you're > well aware of that. :) Burn CDs: 8 min/each, actual Human time: 1 min/each. Put CDs in Dishwasher & Turn Dishwasher On: 30 seconds. Take picture with Digital Camera: 10 seconds (damn slow camera) Get damn camera to transfer @%&(* picture to computer - well, I waited till Amy got home and had her do it (didn't want to reboot her machine without permission). Get yelled at by Amy for doing something really stupid: 30 minutes. So, as you see, I spent less than an hour on this project (: -Yaron -- From markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net Sat Sep 15 02:18:09 2001 From: markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Total OT: Playing games References: Message-ID: <004901c13db6$958750e0$1e02a8c0@zippy> Oddly, ME boots much slower after I added 256mb of memory! I expected the slowdown on memeory POST but what the heck is the OS doing with it? Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yaron" To: Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 2:13 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Total OT: Playing games > Hey, > > On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > Of all the crappy OS products from MS, why choose ME? > > It boots REALLY fast. > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Sep 15 02:44:55 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Total OT: Playing games In-Reply-To: <004901c13db6$958750e0$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: Hey, On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Mark Browne wrote: > Oddly, > ME boots much slower after I added 256mb of memory! > I expected the slowdown on memeory POST but what the heck is the OS doing > with it? I dunno, I have 1 gb of RAM and that totally _killed_ Win98, which ME actually is. If you have over 512MB that'll pretty much kill Windows <2000... you have to fool it into thinking you have less. -Yaron -- From spencer at sihope.com Sat Sep 15 01:49:46 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Total OT: Playing games In-Reply-To: <20010915020519.D28816@real-time.com> References: <20010915020519.D28816@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010915014946.7bd34edc.spencer@sihope.com> On Sat, 15 Sep 2001 02:05:19 -0500 Bob Tanner wrote: > But, why or why Windows ME? > > Of all the crappy OS products from ms$, why choose ME? It is the worst ever. Why follow apps that mandate ms$ and ME? in particular.. sheesh. go vmware, go win4lin, but why add fuel to the fire? it seems like mindlessness can better be allocated to anything else. -- SpencerUnderground ameriKKKa Under Attack ||mailto:spencer@real-time.com|| http://autonomous.tv/book.html From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Sat Sep 15 07:46:45 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dishwasher In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 02:17:47AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010915074645.A27409@trammell.dyndns.org> On Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 02:17:47AM -0500, Yaron wrote: > Hey, > > On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > > > I'd tell you you have far too much time on your hands, but I'm sure you're > > well aware of that. :) > > Burn CDs: 8 min/each, actual Human time: 1 min/each. > Put CDs in Dishwasher & Turn Dishwasher On: 30 seconds. > Take picture with Digital Camera: 10 seconds (damn slow camera) > Get damn camera to transfer @%&(* picture to computer - well, I waited > till Amy got home and had her do it (didn't want to reboot her machine > without permission). > Get yelled at by Amy for doing something really stupid: 30 minutes. Getting slashdotted: priceless. -- [M]en become civilized, not in proportion to their willingness to believe, but in proportion to their willingness to doubt. - H.L. Mencken From destef at destef.com Sat Sep 15 08:51:30 2001 From: destef at destef.com (Jason DeStefano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Total OT: Playing games In-Reply-To: <20010915020519.D28816@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200109151351.f8FDpMg03022@ernie.destef.com> To answer your question of why ME....plain and simple, that is MS's consumer game platform. A couple years ago the rumour was that MS was discontinuing win98 and going all NT/2000 completely, even for home users and games. Eventually they changed their minds and created 98se and now ME because NT or 2000 just doesnt work well for the avid gamer. NT is a horrible game platform (yes, many games will work but many will not), while ME will still run all games including many legacy games. Case in point, I have a laptop for work that i had win98 on for a long time and short of putting a gun to my head my company made me upgrade to their standard w2k image. The IBM Crappad laptop no longer has 3D video support and I can use it to play the games i used to play before on it (and I might add its a LOT slower). Yes, its an IBM issue with drivers but it illusrates that fact that good game-video drivers for w2k is not a priority of video card mfgrs right now. Efficient use of the OS for games sometimes requires free access to low- level functions of the OS and w2k "guards" those functions for security reasons--which we dont need at home. I still use win98se at home because I'm an avid gamer (and for my regular computer uses). My installation of 98se is extremely stable and performs very well. I dont care that it takes 2-3 minutes to boot because under normal use i only need to reboot it once every week or longer. I've always gone with the idea "dont install tons of junk on your computer". Im definately not a MS fan, but if their os is used correctly it does work to an acceptable level. I for one will not upgrade until programs *I* need to use will no longer work on 98se. If it aint broke, dont fix it! If the OS still works, dont upgrade it! At 02:05 AM 9/15/01 -0500, you wrote: >With fall around the corner, it seems like playing computer games isn't such a >bad idea :-), cooler weather, shorter days make the warm-glow of a monitor >cheerful(?) > >Anyways, totally talking about non-linux things, I started to re-eval my "game >system", which in 1 word "sucks". Thing have changed so much in 1 year my box is >almost junk. > >I bounced over to Gamespot to look at the Ultimate Game Machine (UGM) > > http://gamespot.com/gshw/stories/flat/0,12880,2712828-4,00.html > >Nothing too surprising. > >Nice to see AMD gives a good bang for the buck. >Unbelievable you can get 2 40Gb drive in RAID config for $105.99! > >But, why or why Windows ME? > >Of all the crappy OS products from MS, why choose ME? > >-- >Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 >http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 >Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From fertch at mninter.net Sat Sep 15 09:05:23 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Total OT: Playing games In-Reply-To: <004901c13db6$958750e0$1e02a8c0@zippy> References: <004901c13db6$958750e0$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: <01091509052300.00244@bleys> On Saturday 15 September 2001 02:18, Mark Browne wrote: > Oddly, > ME boots much slower after I added 256mb of memory! > I expected the slowdown on memeory POST but what the heck is the OS doing > with it? -- If you went above the 512MB ram limit of 9x,Me, then the system tends to go ballistic more than it does normally. I found that out first hand and it took about of week of frustrations and almost removing the hair that I have left on my head before I found that out. --- Shawn "Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do." -Bruce Lee From lxy at cloudnet.com Sat Sep 15 09:19:16 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:01 2005 Subject: Dead desktop (was Re: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest) In-Reply-To: <20010914.173209.-371215.1.nolanjm@juno.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, Jerry M Nolan wrote: > has anyone read the article in Wired Mag about linux being dead on the > desktop?? If so, comments?? If I read the one I think you're referring to, (the one on /. not long ago) I thought it was a poorly written article. The thing is, from what I've seen nothing in linux "dies". Things go unmaintained, people stop using it, but do a search on freshmeat and it's still there. Anyway, my take on the article was that the GUI is in a constant state of change (call it improvement, call it a resource hog, whatever) and I personally don't think the linux desktop has had its day in the sun yet. (Well, ON a Sun but I'm talking about the fiery ball). I ignore all the anti-linux articles just because I use it 99.8% of the time at home and it's a kick-ass OS. As for being dead on the desktop, the OS is gaining popularity every day. If growth rate is faster than death rate (I believe it is) then it's not dead. It's still growing. That's what I think. -Brian From doughanson at mediaone.net Sat Sep 15 09:23:50 2001 From: doughanson at mediaone.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dishwasher References: <20010915074645.A27409@trammell.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <017901c13df2$0ac5ce00$47641918@mn.mediaone.net> This is frickin funny!!!! But I still want the dishwasher!!! Douger ----- Original Message ----- From: "John J. Trammell" To: Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Dishwasher > On Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 02:17:47AM -0500, Yaron wrote: > > Hey, > > > > On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > > > > > I'd tell you you have far too much time on your hands, but I'm sure you're > > > well aware of that. :) > > > > Burn CDs: 8 min/each, actual Human time: 1 min/each. > > Put CDs in Dishwasher & Turn Dishwasher On: 30 seconds. > > Take picture with Digital Camera: 10 seconds (damn slow camera) > > Get damn camera to transfer @%&(* picture to computer - well, I waited > > till Amy got home and had her do it (didn't want to reboot her machine > > without permission). > > Get yelled at by Amy for doing something really stupid: 30 minutes. > > Getting slashdotted: priceless. > > -- > [M]en become civilized, not in proportion to their willingness to believe, > but in proportion to their willingness to doubt. - H.L. Mencken > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Sat Sep 15 09:25:51 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Total OT: Playing games In-Reply-To: <004901c13db6$958750e0$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Mark Browne wrote: > Oddly, > ME boots much slower after I added 256mb of memory! > I expected the slowdown on memeory POST but what the heck is the OS doing > with it? Back in the days of 486s and Win95, I discovered a neat, umm, feature(?) of Win95. I was running a 586 chip in my machine but I needed money one day so I ran down to Computer Renassaince (sp?) and sold it for $35. I bought a 486-25 for $5 to replace it. What happened next I can only explain in that "it's Microsoft". I popped the 486 chip in, and to my disbelief, Win95 booted FASTER on it. As a whole my system was slower, but I couldn't get over the fact that boot time was incredibly fast. I then postulated that Win95 is loading crap on startup, probably caching certain things so the OS appears to run faster. The more resources, the more crap it caches. Anyway, that might explain why Windows boots slower with more RAM. It sees your new and cool resources and wants to "embrace and extend" them. On the flip side, you should see a decent increase in performance once the machine is booted. -Brian From thomas at stderr.net Sat Sep 15 10:10:04 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Total OT: Playing games In-Reply-To: <20010915020519.D28816@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 02:05:19AM -0500 References: <20010915020519.D28816@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010915171004.R39619@io.stderr.net> On Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 02:05:19AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Unbelievable you can get 2 40Gb drive in RAID config for $105.99! That's per drive. Not 2 drives at that price. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From mbresnah at visi.com Sat Sep 15 12:53:31 2001 From: mbresnah at visi.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Total OT: Playing games In-Reply-To: <200109151351.f8FDpMg03022@ernie.destef.com> Message-ID: I also play a lot of games and I run them all on Win2K with no problems. Diablo II, Baldur's Gate II, Call to Power II, Noone Lives Forever, The Sims, System Shock II, Quake III, Black and White, Zeus, EverQuest, Anarcy Online, and Strip Poker Deluxe all run on my machine. It was a concern of mine when I choose Win2K that I might have problems with games, but my concerns have proved to be unfounded. Mike --- > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jason DeStefano > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 6:52 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Total OT: Playing games > > > To answer your question of why ME....plain and simple, that is > MS's consumer game platform. A couple years ago the rumour > was that MS was discontinuing win98 and going all NT/2000 > completely, even for home users and games. Eventually they > changed their minds and created 98se and now ME because > NT or 2000 just doesnt work well for the avid gamer. NT is a > horrible game platform (yes, many games will work but many > will not), while ME will still run all games including many legacy > games. Case in point, I have a laptop for work that i had win98 > on for a long time and short of putting a gun to my head my > company made me upgrade to their standard w2k image. The > IBM Crappad laptop no longer has 3D video support and I > can use it to play the games i used to play before on it (and > I might add its a LOT slower). Yes, its an IBM issue with drivers > but it illusrates that fact that good game-video drivers for w2k > is not a priority of video card mfgrs right now. Efficient use > of the OS for games sometimes requires free access to low- > level functions of the OS and w2k "guards" those functions > for security reasons--which we dont need at home. > > I still use win98se at home because I'm an avid gamer (and for > my regular computer uses). My installation of 98se is extremely > stable and performs very well. I dont care that it takes 2-3 > minutes to boot because under normal use i only need to > reboot it once every week or longer. I've always gone with the > idea "dont install tons of junk on your computer". Im definately > not a MS fan, but if their os is used correctly it does work to > an acceptable level. I for one will not upgrade until programs > *I* need to use will no longer work on 98se. If it aint broke, dont > fix it! If the OS still works, dont upgrade it! From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Sat Sep 15 11:28:16 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dishwasher In-Reply-To: <017901c13df2$0ac5ce00$47641918@mn.mediaone.net> References: <20010915074645.A27409@trammell.dyndns.org> <017901c13df2$0ac5ce00$47641918@mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20010915112816.A18593@baker.space.umn.edu> On Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 09:23:50AM -0500, Doug Hanson wrote: > This is frickin funny!!!! But I still want the dishwasher!!! Sorry! Its gone. Somebody just picked it up. Now I just have to figure out if there's any thing else I have that people would want (or would waste another hour of Yaron's time ;) ). -- Jim Crumley | Free Dmitry Sklyarov! crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | http://freesklyarov.org/ Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From doughanson at mediaone.net Sat Sep 15 11:37:10 2001 From: doughanson at mediaone.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dishwasher References: <20010915074645.A27409@trammell.dyndns.org> <017901c13df2$0ac5ce00$47641918@mn.mediaone.net> <20010915112816.A18593@baker.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <01a901c13e04$ab15abc0$47641918@mn.mediaone.net> OK, Bummer :( The thread was humorous though... Douger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Crumley" To: Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Dishwasher > On Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 09:23:50AM -0500, Doug Hanson wrote: > > This is frickin funny!!!! But I still want the dishwasher!!! > > Sorry! Its gone. Somebody just picked it up. Now I just have to > figure out if there's any thing else I have that people would > want (or would waste another hour of Yaron's time ;) ). > > -- > Jim Crumley | Free Dmitry Sklyarov! > crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | http://freesklyarov.org/ > Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at sistina.com Sat Sep 15 11:47:16 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #1431 - 17 msgs In-Reply-To: <20010914.173209.-371215.1.nolanjm@juno.com>; from nolanjm@juno.com on Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 05:31:02PM -0500 References: <20010914.173209.-371215.1.nolanjm@juno.com> Message-ID: <20010915114716.A623@llama.dolly-llama.org> On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 05:31:02PM -0500, Jerry M Nolan wrote: >has anyone read the article in Wired Mag about linux being dead on the >desktop?? If so, comments?? Is this a troll? >________________________________________________________________ >GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! >Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! >Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. "In the war against terrorism, there are no rear lines. We're all on the front lines" - William Cohen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010915/e52fd0fb/attachment.pgp From drew at usfamily.net Sat Sep 15 07:16:59 2001 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmm /. References: <20010801164641.C15781@sgi.com> <20010801193630.A6106@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <3BA346BB.CC85D2A9@usfamily.net> Is Slashdot Slashdead? I cant get to it. ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: drew.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 265 bytes Desc: Card for Andrew Nemchenko Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010915/2b8601ad/drew.vcf From jspinti at mn.rr.com Sat Sep 15 13:14:34 2001 From: jspinti at mn.rr.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux vrs Windows speed - What gives? In-Reply-To: <20010914144800.E17739@real-time.com> References: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBFF4@postman.transition.com> <20010914144800.E17739@real-time.com> Message-ID: <01091513143400.01462@pii400> On Friday 14 September 2001 14:48, Carl wrote: > > If there were a distribution that allowed you to set up an automatic > > login (with user privileges) > > scary as it may be to us paranoid-for-a-living folks; I think RH (or > maybe it was Corel?) had something called 'autologin'. you specified a > username at install time; and the system would automatically log in at boot > time, as that user. I think it was Corel...but I'm one of those paranoid types :) When I choose the root password, people groan at work :) > > with decent fonts > > what's wrong with the fonts? some web pages have pretty heinous font > layouts; but I always attributed that to sucky design tools and sucky > html rendering engines. so what if a few letters are a bit jaggy around the > edges? they're still readable. I am running Mandrake 8.0, and the fonts in Konqueror and Opera were so bad that I couldn't read most pages. I had to change them to adobe-helvetica and abi-source Times New Roman just to make them useable. > > and Opera (personal favorite), > > KMail, KOffice and various plugins installed, I would push Linux much > > harder to my non-computer literate friends :( > > they don't commonly install KOffice? I know RH installs KMail along > with the KDE option. I am referring more to a CD-ROM that has a default install that you could give to people and say, "Here, run this and call me with any problems" and not spend the next 5 hours on the phone walking them through program selection, etc. Primarily for people with one computer, a decent modem (read not winmodem) or broadband connection. It would by default set up a firewall and install the mentioned items, without all the server stuff. If there is a kickstart script or something like that, please let me know, or point me in the direction of a how-to, etc. Is that what those Business Card Distros are doing? James Spinti jspinti at mn.rr.com From JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com Sat Sep 15 13:12:52 2001 From: JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmm /. Message-ID: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940164ACEF@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> I just tried it. I got in fine. John Miller Dain Rauscher Information Services - Capital Markets Software Developer Phone: 612-547-7573 Fax: 612-547-7580 IS - Mail Stop: T23A E-mail: MailTo:JMiller2@DainRauscher.com -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Nemchenko [mailto:drew@usfamily.net] Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 7:17 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Hmm /. Is Slashdot Slashdead? I cant get to it. ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Sep 15 13:25:08 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 802.11b antennas? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDEBE@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> www.ingenious-nets.com Local, and decent pricing. The Yagi's are listed towards the top I believe. They have a 24db parabolic dish also, but it's big, and if you plan on driving around with it, get the yagi. -----Original Message----- From: Nate Carlson [mailto:natecars@real-time.com] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 5:35 PM To: Twin Cities Linux User Group Subject: [TCLUG] 802.11b antennas? Anyone either trying to get rid of or know of a local source for 2.4ghz antennas? Looking for either a Yagi or a parabolic; female N connector; 15+ dB gain. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Sep 15 13:25:45 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dishwasher In-Reply-To: <20010915112816.A18593@baker.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: Hey, On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Jim Crumley wrote: > Sorry! Its gone. Somebody just picked it up. Now I just have to > figure out if there's any thing else I have that people would > want (or would waste another hour of Yaron's time ;) ). You don't have a thrasher, do you?... -Yaron -- From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Sep 15 13:32:36 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dishwasher Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDEBF@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> If you have an old microwave, you can make a plasma ball with it. Find a nice round, deep Pyrex dish, or a glass globe for a ceiling light. Find 3 20oz pop bottle caps, a cork, a toothpick, and a match or lighter. stick the toothpick in the cork. put in center of microwave. Arrange the 20 oz caps around the toothpick so you can put your pyrex dish upside down and have it be supported off the bottom of the microwave. Before you put the dish on, light the toothpick. Put the dish on, shut the door, and start the microwave. In about 10 seconds, you'll see a couple of bright flashes and you'll see a plasma ball form in the dish and it will make a very loud humming sound. It gets hot though, it will melt the glass or pyrex dish eventually, so you probably want to use an old microwave. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Doug Hanson [mailto:doughanson@mediaone.net] Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 11:37 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Dishwasher OK, Bummer :( The thread was humorous though... Douger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Crumley" To: Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Dishwasher > On Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 09:23:50AM -0500, Doug Hanson wrote: > > This is frickin funny!!!! But I still want the dishwasher!!! > > Sorry! Its gone. Somebody just picked it up. Now I just have to > figure out if there's any thing else I have that people would > want (or would waste another hour of Yaron's time ;) ). > > -- > Jim Crumley | Free Dmitry Sklyarov! > crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | http://freesklyarov.org/ > Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Sep 15 13:47:58 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dishwasher In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDEBF@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: Hey, On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > If you have an old microwave, you can make a plasma ball with it. WARNING: This is dangerous in many, many ways. For one, it causes a lot of unbreathable gasses to float around, so if you do this: (1) As Jay said, make sure you're not very attached to the microwave. (2) Do it in a VERY WELL VENTILATED AREA. (3) Let me know, I'll bring the camera (No I'm NOT too chicken to do it myself. I'm just afraid my wife will kill me, is all). -Yaron -- From peter.clark at tides.com Sat Sep 15 14:59:11 2001 From: peter.clark at tides.com (peter.clark@tides.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:02 2005 Subject: InstallFest was Re: [TCLUG] Networked PPP connection issue Message-ID: <200109151857.f8FIvfS06359@sprite.real-time.com> --- Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > None of the above methods have allowed me to connect a desktop > machine > > running Slackware to the internet. > > try bringing it to the next TCLUG Installfest. :) Speaking of which, when is the next Installfest? I have a couple of problems I want to work out with a.) my crapola printer and b.) email with Postfix. Not to mention, I might be able to bring a new convert for initiaion. :Peter From ray at lctn.k12.mn.us Sat Sep 15 14:02:07 2001 From: ray at lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ipchain firewall (plonk) Message-ID: <02f501c13e18$eaedba30$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> I am successfully getting Internet to my windows workstation through my Linux box via the plonk ipchain script. I can get Internet, mail, and control other servers/workstations using Timbuktu. I am however having a problem with ftp. In most cases I can login to an ftp server, but when I issue additional commands, such as"get", and "ls", I get a response about using an invalid port. How can I set things up, so this is not a problem? Thanks in advance Raymond -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010915/dec95641/attachment.html From phil at rephil.org Sat Sep 15 16:12:34 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (phil@rephil.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:02 2005 Subject: InstallFest was Re: [TCLUG] Networked PPP connection issue In-Reply-To: <200109151857.f8FIvfS06359@sprite.real-time.com>; from peter.clark@tides.com on Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 11:59:11AM -0800 References: <200109151857.f8FIvfS06359@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010915161234.A13385@rephil.org> On Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 11:59:11AM -0800, peter.clark@tides.com wrote: > Speaking of which, when is the next Installfest? I have a couple of > problems I want to work out with a.) my crapola printer and b.) email with > Postfix. Not to mention, I might be able to bring a new convert for > initiaion. What trouble are you having with Postfix? I'm not an expert, but am running it. I had a wrinkle or two that I seemed to iron out, but am not sure that I did the best that can be done. (I stopped at, "that sort of works, close enough.") I'd be curious to see if we had complementary issues. -- I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. From josh at greentechnologist.org Sat Sep 15 16:27:37 2001 From: josh at greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmm /. In-Reply-To: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940164ACEF@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Message-ID: I've noticed that /. appears to come and go from second to second. Some connects work, others time out. And that's just from the W2k and NT boxes. Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free speech is simply staggering." - Paul Cantrell, St Paul area software developer On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Miller, John wrote: > I just tried it. I got in fine. > > John Miller > Dain Rauscher > Information Services - Capital Markets > Software Developer > Phone: 612-547-7573 > Fax: 612-547-7580 > IS - Mail Stop: T23A > E-mail: MailTo:JMiller2@DainRauscher.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Nemchenko [mailto:drew@usfamily.net] > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 7:17 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Hmm /. > > > > Is Slashdot Slashdead? I cant get to it. > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! > ------ > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tmechanic at mn.mediaone.net Sat Sep 15 16:42:28 2001 From: tmechanic at mn.mediaone.net (BT) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmm /. References: Message-ID: <3BA3CB44.BBA3E094@mn.mediaone.net> It's most likely due to traffic on the local backbone on the /. end "Joshua b. Jore" wrote: > I've noticed that /. appears to come and go from second to second. Some > connects work, others time out. And that's just from the W2k and NT boxes. > > Joshua Jore > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing > to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free > speech is simply staggering." - Paul Cantrell, St Paul area software > developer > > On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Miller, John wrote: > > > I just tried it. I got in fine. > > > > John Miller > > Dain Rauscher > > Information Services - Capital Markets > > Software Developer > > Phone: 612-547-7573 > > Fax: 612-547-7580 > > IS - Mail Stop: T23A > > E-mail: MailTo:JMiller2@DainRauscher.com > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Andrew Nemchenko [mailto:drew@usfamily.net] > > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 7:17 AM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: [TCLUG] Hmm /. > > > > > > > > Is Slashdot Slashdead? I cant get to it. > > > > > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! > > ------ > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From shane at shell.schulte.org Sat Sep 15 17:19:22 2001 From: shane at shell.schulte.org (Shane Kinney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmm /. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010915171736.Y54130-100000@pinnacle.schulte.org> No /. is not dead. They have recently changed their codebase and their server configuration around. Also Tuesdays load on the site brought them to their knees. I think it will just take time to work out the bugs. :) ~Shane On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Joshua b. Jore wrote: > I've noticed that /. appears to come and go from second to second. Some > connects work, others time out. And that's just from the W2k and NT boxes. > > Joshua Jore > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing > to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free > speech is simply staggering." - Paul Cantrell, St Paul area software > developer > > On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Miller, John wrote: > > > I just tried it. I got in fine. > > > > John Miller > > Dain Rauscher > > Information Services - Capital Markets > > Software Developer > > Phone: 612-547-7573 > > Fax: 612-547-7580 > > IS - Mail Stop: T23A > > E-mail: MailTo:JMiller2@DainRauscher.com > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Andrew Nemchenko [mailto:drew@usfamily.net] > > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 7:17 AM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: [TCLUG] Hmm /. > > > > > > > > Is Slashdot Slashdead? I cant get to it. > > > > > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! > > ------ > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From josh at greentechnologist.org Sat Sep 15 17:40:55 2001 From: josh at greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hmm /. In-Reply-To: <20010915171736.Y54130-100000@pinnacle.schulte.org> Message-ID: I've seen this prior to Tuesday. It's not as if /. is ever really dead. It may be more like groggy. Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free speech is simply staggering." - Paul Cantrell, St Paul area software developer On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Shane Kinney wrote: > No /. is not dead. They have recently changed their codebase and their > server configuration around. Also Tuesdays load on the site brought them > to their knees. I think it will just take time to work out the bugs. > > :) > > ~Shane > > On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Joshua b. Jore wrote: > > > I've noticed that /. appears to come and go from second to second. Some > > connects work, others time out. And that's just from the W2k and NT boxes. > > > > Joshua Jore > > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > > "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing > > to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free > > speech is simply staggering." - Paul Cantrell, St Paul area software > > developer > > > > On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Miller, John wrote: > > > > > I just tried it. I got in fine. > > > > > > John Miller > > > Dain Rauscher > > > Information Services - Capital Markets > > > Software Developer > > > Phone: 612-547-7573 > > > Fax: 612-547-7580 > > > IS - Mail Stop: T23A > > > E-mail: MailTo:JMiller2@DainRauscher.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Andrew Nemchenko [mailto:drew@usfamily.net] > > > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 7:17 AM > > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > Subject: [TCLUG] Hmm /. > > > > > > > > > > > > Is Slashdot Slashdead? I cant get to it. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! > > > ------ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From peter.clark at tides.com Sat Sep 15 19:22:31 2001 From: peter.clark at tides.com (peter.clark@tides.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mail was Re: InstallFest Message-ID: <200109152322.f8FNMaS10680@sprite.real-time.com> --- phil@rephil.org wrote: > What trouble are you having with Postfix? I'm not an expert, but am > running it. I had a wrinkle or two that I seemed to iron out, but am > not sure that I did the best that can be done. (I stopped at, "that > sort > of works, close enough.") I'd be curious to see if we had > complementary > issues. Essentially, since I'm stuck in the late 90's, I'm stuck with a dial-up connection. Now, I don't know if I am configuring Postfix incorrectly for a dial-up connection (even though I've looked at the documentation and several web sites about how to do so) or some other problem, but I cannot send mail, either through "sendmail" (Postfix is supposedly a drop-in replacement for sendmail, so all the normal stuff like 'sendmail -q' should work) or through a SMTP server on the other end. 'mailq' will show messages in the queue, but I can't send them out, no matter what I do. The ideal would be to send it to an SMTP server on the other end (something I did back when I was using Mandrake), but just being able to send it out at all would be nice. I have tried Kmail, Mozilla(!), and Sylpheed, but no joy. /var/log/mail.* (.err, .info, .log) don't turn up anything. I've even tried a completely different server, with no luck. So I don't know what the matter is or where to start. Mail has always been a pain in the rear for me, ever since I had to rewrite sendmail's config file to support dial-up connections. And that was two years ago, on my laptop, with RH5.2! I must have bad karma when it comes to mail... :Peter From jay at slushpupie.com Sat Sep 15 20:05:26 2001 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cdrecord problem Message-ID: <20010916010619.QVLA21542.femail44.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> I recently installed Debian on my system, and have had this problem with cdrecord ever since. I dont know what is causing it because I removed the package, and installed from source, and get the same problem. What happens is every time I try to write a cd, I get an error about the data being too big. This is the output on the version from source, but I get the same error with the packages from Debian. The image in this case is only a 250M image, and should not have this problem at all. Any thoughts on this? cdrecord dev=0,4,0 speed=16 -eject -data cdimage.iso Cdrecord 1.9 (i586-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2000 J?rg Schilling scsidev: '0,4,0' scsibus: 0 target: 4 lun: 0 Linux sg driver version: 3.1.19 Using libscg version 'schily-0.1' Device type : Removable CD-ROM Version : 2 Response Format: 2 Capabilities : SYNC Vendor_info : 'YAMAHA ' Identifikation : 'CRW6416S ' Revision : '1.0c' Device seems to be: Generic mmc CD-RW. Using generic SCSI-3/mmc CD-R driver (mmc_cdr). Driver flags : SWABAUDIO ./cdrecord: WARNING: Data may not fit on current disk. ./cdrecord: Notice: Most recorders cannot write CD's >= 90 minutes. ./cdrecord: Notice: Use -ignsize option to allow >= 90 minutes. ./cdrecord: Cannot write CD's >= 100 minutes. -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- If one cannot enjoy reading a book over and over again, there is no use in reading it at all. -- Oscar Wilde From seg at haxxed.com Sat Sep 15 23:11:32 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Total OT: Playing games References: <20010915020519.D28816@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3BA42674.50501@haxxed.com> > Of all the crappy OS products from MS, why choose ME? Because its a lightweight and fast gaming platform. (Compared to W2K) I ran Win2K for a while on 128mb. I had no problem with compatability, Half Life and Quake 3 ran fine. Albeit took ages to load a level compared to 9x. Then I tried to play Deus Ex. Nothing but constant swappage. I shitcanned 2k and went back to 9x. ;P I really like 2k. Its quite stable as a desktop OS and has some nice features. However its a fscking ram *PIG*. Do not game on 2K unless you have 256mb or maybe even more. However its a bit moot now that 256mb RAM is $30 these days. Typical MS. Sigh. From seg at haxxed.com Sat Sep 15 23:25:12 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Screenshots under X References: <20010910163050.E23971@real-time.com> <20010910170527.B26094@llama.sistina.com> <20010911110840.A24144@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <3BA429A8.10102@haxxed.com> Nate Straz wrote: > On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 05:05:27PM -0500, Ben Lutgens wrote: > >>On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 04:30:50PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: >> >>>Anyone have recommendations for taking screenshots under X? >>> >>import -window root screenshot.jpg >> >>import comes with imagemagick package, as opposed to useing "root" as the >>window, you can run xwininfo, click in the window you wanna know the id of, >>and pass the id: number instead. >> > > You can actually click on the window that you want the screen shot of. > But I don't see any way to get the cursor included or drop-down menus. You might be able to get it by disabling hardware cursor. But even then I think X has logic to prevent the cursor from getting screencaptured. VGA cards for some time have done hardware mouse cursors. Which is basically a good ol' hardware sprite overlayed on the framebuffer on the video out. So its not actually in the frame buffer. You're best bet is to just fake it in Gimp. From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sat Sep 15 23:41:27 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dishwasher In-Reply-To: References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDEBF@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010915234127.D18850@ringworld.org> * Yaron [010915 13:50]: > (1) As Jay said, make sure you're not very attached to the microwave. > (2) Do it in a VERY WELL VENTILATED AREA. > (3) Let me know, I'll bring the camera (No I'm NOT too chicken to do it > myself. I'm just afraid my wife will kill me, is all). My parents might still have an old microwave they wanted to 'give' me. I could ask him this week if thats still an open offer and we can meet somewhere and try this out :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net "History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." - Justice Thurgood Marshall (1989) From florin at iucha.net Sat Sep 15 23:46:19 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cdrecord problem In-Reply-To: <20010916010619.QVLA21542.femail44.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there>; from jay@slushpupie.com on Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 08:05:26PM -0500 References: <20010916010619.QVLA21542.femail44.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Message-ID: <20010915234619.A14939@beaver.iucha.org> On Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 08:05:26PM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > I recently installed Debian on my system, and have had this problem with > cdrecord ever since. I dont know what is causing it because I removed the > package, and installed from source, and get the same problem. What happens > is every time I try to write a cd, I get an error about the data being too > big. This is the output on the version from source, but I get the same error > with the packages from Debian. The image in this case is only a 250M image, > and should not have this problem at all. Any thoughts on this? > > cdrecord dev=0,4,0 speed=16 -eject -data cdimage.iso > Cdrecord 1.9 (i586-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2000 J?rg Schilling > scsidev: '0,4,0' > scsibus: 0 target: 4 lun: 0 > Linux sg driver version: 3.1.19 > Using libscg version 'schily-0.1' > Device type : Removable CD-ROM > Version : 2 > Response Format: 2 > Capabilities : SYNC > Vendor_info : 'YAMAHA ' > Identifikation : 'CRW6416S ' > Revision : '1.0c' > Device seems to be: Generic mmc CD-RW. > Using generic SCSI-3/mmc CD-R driver (mmc_cdr). > Driver flags : SWABAUDIO > ./cdrecord: WARNING: Data may not fit on current disk. > ./cdrecord: Notice: Most recorders cannot write CD's >= 90 minutes. > ./cdrecord: Notice: Use -ignsize option to allow >= 90 minutes. > ./cdrecord: Cannot write CD's >= 100 minutes. Put a -v on the command line. It will tell you more about the media. BTW what media are you using? Try different media and a lower speed. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Sun Sep 16 00:52:52 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ipchain firewall (plonk) In-Reply-To: <02f501c13e18$eaedba30$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> Message-ID: Soultion 1: Use passive FTP. Soultion 2: ipchans ftp modules. You'll have to read up on them. :) Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From tanner at real-time.com Sun Sep 16 01:50:49 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Total OT: Playing games In-Reply-To: <20010915014946.7bd34edc.spencer@sihope.com>; from spencer@sihope.com on Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 01:49:46AM -0500 References: <20010915020519.D28816@real-time.com> <20010915014946.7bd34edc.spencer@sihope.com> Message-ID: <20010916015049.E23367@real-time.com> Quoting SpencerUnderground (spencer@sihope.com): > On Sat, 15 Sep 2001 02:05:19 -0500 > Bob Tanner wrote: > > > > But, why or why Windows ME? > > > > Of all the crappy OS products from ms$, why choose ME? It is the worst ever. Why follow apps that mandate ms$ and ME? in particular.. sheesh. go vmware, go win4lin, but why add fuel to the fire? it seems like mindlessness can better be allocated to anything else. If you can get all the top selling games, like DiabloII, StarCraft, WarCraft, AoE, Mech4, etc working under VMWare, please post a howto. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From poverby at megsinet.net Sun Sep 16 09:18:02 2001 From: poverby at megsinet.net (Paul Overby) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Building an integrated Linux Message-ID: <3BA4B49A.4E16C296@megsinet.net> http://www.linuxlinks.com/Distributions/ lists 108 distributions of Linux. Any of you care to identify which one is the best one for a new user. Windows defined the desktop in the same way McDonalds taught us how to eat hamburgers. Most people complain about windows the same way they complain about McDonalds but they are not willing to change their behavior I'm a parent and also being a computer "expert" I hear all the horror stories. People use home PC's for two things. Games and browsing (translation: more games) i.e. entertainment. Sure a few adventuresome sorts will do their taxes on a PC but even most of them are left wondering why. PC's will never survive the next revolution in computing. The browser is today's OS from a casual user's perspective. People do not want to own software. Managing it is a nightmare. If you really want to promote Linux as a desktop invent some really kick-ass games that would only run under Linux. (of course they would support win too but they wouldn't really work in that environment). -- Paul Overby Poverby@megsinet.net From lxy at cloudnet.com Sun Sep 16 14:00:32 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cdrecord problem In-Reply-To: <20010916010619.QVLA21542.femail44.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Message-ID: On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Jay Kline wrote: > package, and installed from source, and get the same problem. What happens > is every time I try to write a cd, I get an error about the data being too > big. This is the output on the version from source, but I get the same error > with the packages from Debian. The image in this case is only a 250M image, > and should not have this problem at all. Any thoughts on this? > ./cdrecord: Notice: Use -ignsize option to allow >= 90 minutes. Have you tried the -ignsize option? Also as Florin suggested a -v should give you some better idea of what it's not liking. What version of cdrecord? I'm running 1.91 with no noticeable problems. -Brian From blayer at qwest.net Sun Sep 16 15:46:12 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Building an integrated Linux In-Reply-To: <3BA4B49A.4E16C296@megsinet.net> References: <3BA4B49A.4E16C296@megsinet.net> Message-ID: <20010916154612.4c8bed23.blayer@qwest.net> On or about Sun, 16 Sep 2001 09:18:02 -0500 Paul Overby reportedly said... > http://www.linuxlinks.com/Distributions/ lists 108 distributions of > Linux. Any of you care to identify which one is the best one for a new > user. Windows defined the desktop in the same way McDonalds taught us > how to eat hamburgers. > Most people complain about windows the same way they complain about > McDonalds but they are not willing to change > their behavior The plethora of distributions can be very confusing to the newbie - it took me a while before I understood what seperates them, and even longer to decide which one was really right for me. In the end, a particular distribution made that choice for me.. When shopping Linux for a desktop OS, it really only makes sense to consider the first-tier distributions. In no particular order, these include RedHat, Mandrake, Slackware, Debian, SuSe and Caldera. Now I'm going to really generalize and make a lot of people angry at me, but I love food comparisons... -RedHat is the most popular distribution, and seems to work well for a lot of average folks. Like the most popular _anything_, it's popularity is based on a number of factors, with function & security not necessarily being at the top of the list. RedHat is the McDonalds of Linux. -Mandrake is for people that like the Redhat way, but found it too challenging. Mandrake is still the McDonalds of Linux, but this one has a Playland (tm) and crude table service. It's already supersized; would you like fries with that? -Slackware has often been considered the 'most intense' Linux distribution, and really aimed at the more computer literate among us. Slackware is comparatively secure, simple to set up and demands more from the user, but gives more in return. Slackware is the Vietnamese Noodle Shop of distributions; You walk in, you feel alone, you can't understand what you see. You try something you can't pronounce, and it is as wonderful as it is cheap! What a discovery - you come back the next day. -Debian has this sense of smug professionalism about it, and it seems to be the most orderly of the distributions. You can find Debian for more platforms than the other popular distros. Debian supports what might be the easiest, most competent system for software installation and upgrades, but don't try and deviate from the Debian methods, or things can get screwy. Debian is the Best Steak House of Distributions. There is a line, and the options are limited. But in the end, you got exactly what you expected, and the price can't be beat. The comparison now breaks down as the sour cream was not .50 cents extra. -SuSe has this strange air of superiority surrounding it. It has been engineered down to the nth nano-detail, comes with great setup and administration tools, and touts itself as being the best of all possible Linux distribtions. This is the stereotypically overengineered German Linux distribution, and like many stereotypes, this one is based on fact and holds up fairly well. I think that the SuSe Linux retail packages that are sold north of the Mason-Dixon line come with handwarmers, defrosters and an emergency survival kit. SuSe is like the Old Contry Buffet of Linux, but with someone to walk along, hold your tray, and suggest food selections compatible with their plans for you. Way more sauerbraten than you recall. -Caldera is the Rax Roast Beef Restaurant of Linux. By saying this, I mean that I've never been there, I don't know where it is and I don't know what it's like. But something about it keeps me away. I hope you didn't waste your time reading this. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Sep 16 17:01:53 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dishwasher Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDEC0@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Yeah, I forgot to mention that you might want to do it outside. It produces Ozone, which is harmful to breath. Of course, when the neighbors call the police, you can always tell them that you are trying to close the hole in our ozone by producing your own. :) -----Original Message----- From: Scott Dier [mailto:dieman+tclug@ringworld.org] Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 11:41 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Dishwasher * Yaron [010915 13:50]: > (1) As Jay said, make sure you're not very attached to the microwave. > (2) Do it in a VERY WELL VENTILATED AREA. > (3) Let me know, I'll bring the camera (No I'm NOT too chicken to do it > myself. I'm just afraid my wife will kill me, is all). My parents might still have an old microwave they wanted to 'give' me. I could ask him this week if thats still an open offer and we can meet somewhere and try this out :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net "History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." - Justice Thurgood Marshall (1989) _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at sihope.com Sun Sep 16 16:51:50 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Total OT: Playing games In-Reply-To: <20010916015049.E23367@real-time.com> References: <20010915020519.D28816@real-time.com> <20010915014946.7bd34edc.spencer@sihope.com> <20010916015049.E23367@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010916165150.41fd83f4.spencer@sihope.com> On Sun, 16 Sep 2001 01:50:49 -0500 Bob Tanner wrote: > > If you can get all the top selling games, like DiabloII, StarCraft, WarCraft, > AoE, Mech4, etc working under VMWare, please post a howto. > You miss my point entirely. Why follow software that does not run under your native os? I understand business software. But games, what *is* the point? -- SpencerUnderground ameriKKKa Under Attack ||mailto:spencer@real-time.com|| http://autonomous.tv/book.html From spencer at sihope.com Sun Sep 16 17:04:35 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] port 25 Message-ID: <20010916170435.673e1e30.spencer@sihope.com> I am trying to get port 25 to listen globally on my mail server. When I do a : nmap -O localhost it tells me that port 25 is open. When I do : nmap -O autonomous.tv from the same subnet or another subnet it tells me it is closed. I ran traceroute from the local subnetted box and it reported 1 hop. I am not running NAT on my 675 and I am confused. When I run netstat -ln it only shows 127.0.0.1 accepting connections on port 25. My ipchains entry for port 25 is the same as 21 80 and 22 and they work fine. I stop ipchains and the reports from nmap do not change. I know this is probably a one line solution, I just do not know which line to use and where it goes. I would sure appreciate some insight in this matter. thanks -- SpencerUnderground ameriKKKa Under Attack ||mailto:spencer@real-time.com|| http://autonomous.tv/book.html From jethro at freakzilla.com Sun Sep 16 18:44:54 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Total OT: Playing games In-Reply-To: <20010916165150.41fd83f4.spencer@sihope.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Sun, 16 Sep 2001, SpencerUnderground wrote: > But games, what *is* the point? Sir, my hat is off to you. People call _me_ a snob, but I now bow before the master! -Yaron -- From florin at iucha.net Sun Sep 16 20:44:28 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Building an integrated Linux In-Reply-To: <20010916154612.4c8bed23.blayer@qwest.net>; from blayer@qwest.net on Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 03:46:12PM -0500 References: <3BA4B49A.4E16C296@megsinet.net> <20010916154612.4c8bed23.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010916204428.B14939@beaver.iucha.org> On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 03:46:12PM -0500, Bill Layer wrote: [a lot of snipped things] > > I hope you didn't waste your time reading this. Thanks Bill, is funny as much as it was instructive. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From spencer at sihope.com Sun Sep 16 20:08:09 2001 From: spencer at sihope.com (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] port 25 In-Reply-To: <20010916170435.673e1e30.spencer@sihope.com> References: <20010916170435.673e1e30.spencer@sihope.com> Message-ID: <20010916200809.7d04b014.spencer@sihope.com> On Sun, 16 Sep 2001 17:04:35 -0500 SpencerUnderground wrote: > I am trying to get port 25 to listen globally on my mail server. When I do a : > I would sure appreciate some insight in this matter. > thanks > All you have to do is edit your sendmail.cf to # SMTP daemon options O DaemonPort= cool I now have mail. -- SpencerUnderground ameriKKKa Under Attack ||mailto:spencer@autonomous.tv|| http://autonomous.tv/book.html From jack at jacku.com Sun Sep 16 21:11:58 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Building an integrated Linux In-Reply-To: <20010916154612.4c8bed23.blayer@qwest.net> References: <3BA4B49A.4E16C296@megsinet.net> <20010916154612.4c8bed23.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <01091621115800.02140@geezer> On Sunday 16 September 2001 15:46, you wrote: > > -SuSe has this strange air of superiority surrounding it. It has been > engineered down to the nth nano-detail, comes with great setup and > administration tools, and touts itself as being the best of all possible > Linux distribtions. This is the stereotypically overengineered German > Linux distribution, and like many stereotypes, this one is based on fact > and holds up fairly well. I think that the SuSe Linux retail packages that > are sold north of the Mason-Dixon line come with handwarmers, defrosters > and an emergency survival kit. SuSe is like the Old Contry Buffet of > Linux, but with someone to walk along, hold your tray, and suggest food > selections compatible with their plans for you. Way more sauerbraten than > you recall. >... > I hope you didn't waste your time reading this. > > > -.bill.layer.- > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > As a SuSE user of long standing (since 5.3) I agree whole heartedly! But I haven't found the emergancy survival kit yet. ;-) -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From tanner at real-time.com Mon Sep 17 02:02:56 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fairly inexpensive KVM? Message-ID: <20010917020256.B23974@real-time.com> I'm looking for a fairly inexpensive KVM that works well with Linux and X. We use Belkin at the office, but it's a little pricey for home use. Any recommendation? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From mwagner at mysql.com Mon Sep 17 03:02:39 2001 From: mwagner at mysql.com (Matt Wagner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fairly inexpensive KVM? In-Reply-To: <20010917020256.B23974@real-time.com> References: <20010917020256.B23974@real-time.com> Message-ID: <15269.44575.876345.491448@evoq.mwagner.org> Bob Tanner writes: > I'm looking for a fairly inexpensive KVM that works well with Linux and X. We > use Belkin at the office, but it's a little pricey for home use. > > Any recommendation? Hi, I've got a D-Link 4 port (DKVM-4) here that has been really nice. It was $76 from ComReady.com, and it supports high-res up to 1920x1440. I've been using it just fine with my systems. I'm running 1824x1216 @ 75hz without any problems on my main workstation (the other machines are just consoled). Matt -- For technical support contracts, visit https://order.mysql.com/ __ ___ ___ ____ __ / |/ /_ __/ __/ __ \/ / Mr. Matt Wagner / /|_/ / // /\ \/ /_/ / /__ MySQL AB, Herr Direktor /_/ /_/\_, /___/\___\_\___/ Hopkins, Minnesota USA <___/ www.mysql.com From ray at lctn.k12.mn.us Mon Sep 17 04:52:17 2001 From: ray at lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] invalid port command using ipchain script Message-ID: <03b001c13f5e$7058fb80$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> When using my Windows 98 workstation I am having a problem with ftp when using the Plonk ipchain firewall script. I can login, but when attempting any other commands, I get an invalid port response. The last one was " 500 invalid port command". it's all pretty new to me, and I cannot seem to find an answer that makes sense to me. Any help would be appreciated. Raymond Norton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010917/525f91ec/attachment.htm From veldy at visi.com Mon Sep 17 08:23:46 2001 From: veldy at visi.com (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mail Server/DNS server References: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBFF8@postman.transition.com> <20010914203038.XKGN13317.femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Message-ID: <006801c13f7b$fb302bd0$3028680a@tgt.com> www.bookpool.com Can't beat the price on O'Reilly books. Tom Veldhouse veldy@visi.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Kline" To: Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Mail Server/DNS server > Half Price Books (also in SLP- off Exceslior Blvd) has the same book for $20, > not even used. They also had a small collection of other O'Reilly books. I > was pleasently surprised by this, as they ARE cheaper than any place else I > have seen. > > > Jay > > On Friday 14 September 2001 03:22 pm, you wrote: > > I don't know anything about setting up a mailserver on Linux but I can > > highly recommend > > the O'Reilly book on DNS and BIND for setting up a DNS. I picked it up at > > Microcenter for about $40. It does a pretty good job of walking you > > through the setup and of explaining how the whole system works. For me it > > was well worth the money. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Munir Nassar [mailto:nassarmu@mctc.mnscu.edu] > > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 3:06 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: [TCLUG] Mail Server/DNS server > > > > > > Ok, i just put in the order with Qwest for my DSL line (256up/640down) and > > Real-Time as my ISP... > > > > but now i have a few questions: > > 1) are there any good howtos for setting up DNS servers? > > 2) are there any good howtos for setting up mail servers? (any mailer will > > do, but i heard that qmail is pretty easy to setup...) > > 3) the package that Dennis offered me includes 8 IPs, I will be using a > > 200MHz RedHat machine as a FireWall, are there any good howtos on bridging > > networks? > > > > -munir > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > Jay Kline > list@slushpupie.com > http://www.slushpupie.com > -- > And do you think (fop that I am) that I could be the Scarlet Pumpernickel? > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Mon Sep 17 08:53:49 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Book Deals (was Mail Server/DNS server) In-Reply-To: <006801c13f7b$fb302bd0$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: Try this url: www.bestbookbuys.com It searches probably 10-12 different on line bookstores and returns all of their prices with shipping, etc. It also lists special coupon offers on the home page. They also do music, video and bicycles...I have found that less helpful, though. Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Thomas T. Veldhouse |Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 8:24 AM |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org |Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Mail Server/DNS server | | |www.bookpool.com | |Can't beat the price on O'Reilly books. | |Tom Veldhouse |veldy@visi.com | |----- Original Message ----- |From: "Jay Kline" |To: |Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 3:30 PM |Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Mail Server/DNS server | | |> Half Price Books (also in SLP- off Exceslior Blvd) has the same book for |$20, |> not even used. They also had a small collection of other O'Reilly books. |I |> was pleasently surprised by this, as they ARE cheaper than any place else |I |> have seen. |> |> |> Jay |> |> On Friday 14 September 2001 03:22 pm, you wrote: |> > I don't know anything about setting up a mailserver on Linux but I can |> > highly recommend |> > the O'Reilly book on DNS and BIND for setting up a DNS. I picked it up |at |> > Microcenter for about $40. It does a pretty good job of walking you |> > through the setup and of explaining how the whole system works. For me |it |> > was well worth the money. |> > |> > -----Original Message----- |> > From: Munir Nassar [mailto:nassarmu@mctc.mnscu.edu] |> > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 3:06 PM |> > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org |> > Subject: [TCLUG] Mail Server/DNS server |> > |> > |> > Ok, i just put in the order with Qwest for my DSL line (256up/640down) |and |> > Real-Time as my ISP... |> > |> > but now i have a few questions: |> > 1) are there any good howtos for setting up DNS servers? |> > 2) are there any good howtos for setting up mail servers? (any mailer |will |> > do, but i heard that qmail is pretty easy to setup...) |> > 3) the package that Dennis offered me includes 8 IPs, I will be using a |> > 200MHz RedHat machine as a FireWall, are there any good howtos on |bridging |> > networks? |> > |> > -munir |> > |> > |> > |> > |> > _______________________________________________ |> > tclug-list mailing list |> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org |> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list |> > _______________________________________________ |> > tclug-list mailing list |> > tclug-list@mn-linux.org |> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list |> |> -- |> Jay Kline |> list@slushpupie.com |> http://www.slushpupie.com |> -- |> And do you think (fop that I am) that I could be the Scarlet |Pumpernickel? |> _______________________________________________ |> tclug-list mailing list |> tclug-list@mn-linux.org |> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list |> |> | |_______________________________________________ |tclug-list mailing list |tclug-list@mn-linux.org |https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list | From kremer at ringworld.org Mon Sep 17 09:38:15 2001 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB and Progeny installer Message-ID: I am trying to install Progeny 1.0 onto a machine with an Asus A7V-133. Every time the installer loads up, it starts booting, but freezes when detecting my USB. It does this even when I disable USB in the BIOS. Any ideas on how to get it past that point? Thanks, Justin From jeffr at odeon.net Mon Sep 17 09:58:29 2001 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fairly inexpensive KVM? In-Reply-To: <20010917020256.B23974@real-time.com> Message-ID: I've tried a couple of KVM switches from D-link and had nothing but problems with it (two different 4-port switches, same model). Ended up spending the money to get a Belkin. I believe Linksys makes a few different models of KVM switches, but I haven't tried any of theirs. Jeff On Mon, 17 Sep 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > I'm looking for a fairly inexpensive KVM that works well with Linux and X. We > use Belkin at the office, but it's a little pricey for home use. > > Any recommendation? > > From andy at theasis.com Mon Sep 17 10:00:01 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fairly inexpensive KVM? In-Reply-To: <20010917020256.B23974@real-time.com> Message-ID: > I'm looking for a fairly inexpensive KVM that works well with Linux and X. We > use Belkin at the office, but it's a little pricey for home use. > > Any recommendation? well what price range are you aiming for? You can get a 4-port belkin for just over $100. Andy From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Sep 17 10:08:05 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB and Progeny installer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010917100805.I18850@ringworld.org> * Justin Kremer [010917 09:41]: > I am trying to install Progeny 1.0 onto a machine with an Asus A7V-133. > Every time the installer loads up, it starts booting, but freezes when At the kernel? Or while the installer is detecting devices? Try turning off your serial ports. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net "History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." - Justice Thurgood Marshall (1989) From fertch at mninter.net Mon Sep 17 10:15:19 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ramdisk errors Message-ID: <01091710151901.00498@bleys> I'm trying to load an older server that won't boot off of cd. I can get to the point of where it starts to load the RAMDISK, but it errors out there. In reading some of the info, it says to load the hardware info such as IRQ's, cyl, heads, etc. Which disk is this for though? I'd assume the first one, but want to be certain before I do. If memory servers right, the server has 5 internal SCSI HDD's unknown size (need to figure that out), a SCSI CD-ROM, and an external HDD bay device with two HDD's in there as well. The SCSI card is built into the board (it's an old AT&T server) that uses the Adaptec 7170 chip. -- --- Shawn "Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do." -Bruce Lee From blayer at qwest.net Mon Sep 17 10:16:02 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How I broke & fixed my DSL speed (nsrouter!) Message-ID: <20010917101602.02b38fcc.blayer@qwest.net> This is kind of interesting.. I noticed recently that my internet bandwidth seemed to be less than the 640k that I was used to with Qwest DSL. So I went to DSLreports.com and tested it. My suspicion was confirmed - I was testing at about 230k/down 240k/up. This is more like a 256k connection than a 640k connection. I have had slow (25k) downloads for a long time now, and I always assumed it was the remote server or the route that was causing it... I started to think back to when this problem began, and I realized that I could not recall it happening in the days before I upgraded to CBOS 2.4.1 or 2.4.2... Now, I started thinking about my whole question about the 'nsrouter' versions of the CBOS firmware (which is what I was currently using) and what the differences might be between the 'nsrouter' and 'plain' versions of the firmware. So, I made a guess and did an experiment. If you might recall, when I tried to use the Qwest DSL updater, it told me to use the c675.2.4.3.bin file, NOT the nsrouter.c675.2.4.3.bin file. I've had the c675.2.4.3.bin firmware for a while, but I'd never installed it. On a whim, I went ahead and did it. Like magic, on reboot my connection is 550k+ and all seems speedy again. Flashing firmware on this device always creeps me out a little, so I really don't feel like re-installing the nsrouter.c675.2.4.2.bin version to see if my connection falls back to 256k again.. If you are running the 'nsrouter' version of 2.4.1 or 2.4.2, could you please test your speed and let me know? This seemed like a direct cause & effect relationship (from my end) but it still seems like an easy coincidence... Thanks, -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From Ben at WorksCited.Net Mon Sep 17 10:36:14 2001 From: Ben at WorksCited.Net (Ben Stallings) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDE config files: who's who? Message-ID: <01091710361406.02474@Romana> Hi, folks. Yesterday I was reorganizing my K menu when the menu editor program crashed, and about half my program folders disappeared from both the menu and the editor (when I had restarted the program). I looked all around in my .kde directory trying to find the file(s) responsible for the K menu but couldn't find them, so I wound up copying the entire .kde directory from another user account and starting over from scratch. (sigh) At least it was faster the second time. Unless I'm mistaken, the KDE configuration tools don't have traditional man pages, and their HTML help pages don't say anything about where their files are stored. How would I go about finding this sort of thing out in the future, so that I don't have to replace files I don't want to? (Yes, I could have copied a file, logged out, logged in, copied another file, and so on, but I couldn't get excited about that idea.) Thoughts? --Ben (running Yellow Dog Linux 2.0) From florin at iucha.net Mon Sep 17 10:40:06 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How I broke & fixed my DSL speed (nsrouter!) In-Reply-To: <20010917101602.02b38fcc.blayer@qwest.net>; from blayer@qwest.net on Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 10:16:02AM -0500 References: <20010917101602.02b38fcc.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010917104005.A7814@beaver.iucha.org> On Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 10:16:02AM -0500, Bill Layer wrote: > This is kind of interesting.. I noticed recently that my internet > bandwidth seemed to be less than the 640k that I was used to with Qwest > DSL. So I went to DSLreports.com and tested it. My suspicion was confirmed > - I was testing at about 230k/down 240k/up. This is more like a 256k > connection than a 640k connection. I have had slow (25k) downloads for a > long time now, and I always assumed it was the remote server or the route > that was causing it... > > I started to think back to when this problem began, and I realized that I > could not recall it happening in the days before I upgraded to CBOS 2.4.1 > or 2.4.2... Now, I started thinking about my whole question about the > 'nsrouter' versions of the CBOS firmware (which is what I was currently > using) and what the differences might be between the 'nsrouter' and > 'plain' versions of the firmware. So, I made a guess and did an > experiment. If you might recall, when I tried to use the Qwest DSL > updater, it told me to use the c675.2.4.3.bin file, NOT the > nsrouter.c675.2.4.3.bin file. > > I've had the c675.2.4.3.bin firmware for a while, but I'd never installed > it. On a whim, I went ahead and did it. Like magic, on reboot my > connection is 550k+ and all seems speedy again. Flashing firmware on this > device always creeps me out a little, so I really don't feel like > re-installing the nsrouter.c675.2.4.2.bin version to see if my connection > falls back to 256k again.. > > If you are running the 'nsrouter' version of 2.4.1 or 2.4.2, could you > please test your speed and let me know? This seemed like a direct cause & > effect relationship (from my end) but it still seems like an easy > coincidence... I am running nsrouter version of 2.4.3 and DSLreports gave me 534/228. Also my regular apt-get upgrade shows me the same 66-67K/s. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From rudie at sihope.com Mon Sep 17 09:42:08 2001 From: rudie at sihope.com (K Hinze) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How I broke & fixed my DSL speed (nsrouter!) In-Reply-To: <20010917101602.02b38fcc.blayer@qwest.net> References: <20010917101602.02b38fcc.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <20010917104208.340facd5.rudie@sihope.com> On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 10:16:02 -0500 "Bill Layer" wrote: > This is kind of interesting.. I noticed recently that my internet > bandwidth seemed to be less than the 640k that I was used to with Qwest > DSL. So I went to DSLreports.com and tested it. My suspicion was confirmed > - I was testing at about 230k/down 240k/up. This is more like a 256k > connection than a 640k connection. I have had slow (25k) downloads for a > long time now, and I always assumed it was the remote server or the route > that was causing it... > > I started to think back to when this problem began, and I realized that I > could not recall it happening in the days before I upgraded to CBOS 2.4.1 > or 2.4.2... Now, I started thinking about my whole question about the > 'nsrouter' versions of the CBOS firmware (which is what I was currently > using) and what the differences might be between the 'nsrouter' and > 'plain' versions of the firmware. So, I made a guess and did an > experiment. If you might recall, when I tried to use the Qwest DSL > updater, it told me to use the c675.2.4.3.bin file, NOT the > nsrouter.c675.2.4.3.bin file. > > I've had the c675.2.4.3.bin firmware for a while, but I'd never installed > it. On a whim, I went ahead and did it. Like magic, on reboot my > connection is 550k+ and all seems speedy again. Flashing firmware on this > device always creeps me out a little, so I really don't feel like > re-installing the nsrouter.c675.2.4.2.bin version to see if my connection > falls back to 256k again.. > > If you are running the 'nsrouter' version of 2.4.1 or 2.4.2, could you > please test your speed and let me know? This seemed like a direct cause & > effect relationship (from my end) but it still seems like an easy > coincidence... > > Thanks, > > > -.bill.layer.- I am running nsrouter.c675.2.4.2.bin image and I achieved these results: ** Speed 531(down)/227(up) kbps ** My understanding of this, and I may be completely wrong about this, is that NetSpeed manufactured these little routers before cisco, then cisco bought up netspeed and renamed their dsl router to cisco 67x from netspeed 2.x.x I used to have a netspeed router (still do) and physically they are identical, and when I researched this issue before, when I originally upgraded from NSOS to CBOS I was told they are exactly the same router, and uses the same image. While this may not answer the question why does cisco have so many image names I dunno unless people are renaming them to suit their own convention. HTH -Kevin Hinze From natecars at real-time.com Mon Sep 17 10:45:41 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How I broke & fixed my DSL speed (nsrouter!) In-Reply-To: <20010917101602.02b38fcc.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Sep 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > If you are running the 'nsrouter' version of 2.4.1 or 2.4.2, could you > please test your speed and let me know? This seemed like a direct cause & > effect relationship (from my end) but it still seems like an easy > coincidence... Difference between nsrouter.* and c675.* is just CRC headers if I recall correctly; c675.* contains them, nsrouter doesn't. You have to be running like 2.3.5+ to use c675.*.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Sep 17 11:07:02 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Postfix and sending all incoming mail to /dev/null Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDEC2@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> What's the best way to send ALL incoming mail to /dev/null using postfix? I'm testing something, and I need to send about 900,000 messages to this box and throw them all away, and then view the logs to find out exactly how many came through. I figured out how to reject incoming mail, but I don't want to bounce it, I want to accept it all and put it in /dev/null. The To: addresses are thousands of different domains also. Jay From dante at plethora.net Mon Sep 17 11:07:35 2001 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Total OT: Playing games In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 16 Sep 2001, Yaron wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, 16 Sep 2001, SpencerUnderground wrote: > > > But games, what *is* the point? > > Sir, my hat is off to you. People call _me_ a snob, but I now bow before > the master! > Really. I do believe that he is referring to specificly caring about games that you can't run without rebooting. So far the only new generation game that I have seen to offer technical gameplay beyond what I had 10 years ago in text-based MUDs is Tribes 2. The graphics keep getting better, but the gameplay basics don't change that dramaticly. Of course one could argue that the text interface has the potential for creating a far richer experience than the best 1600x1400 24bit graphics with full surround-sound audio you can buy. After all, the book is almost always better than the movie. Daniel Taylor From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Sep 17 11:32:34 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Postfix and sending all incoming mail to /dev/null In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDEC2@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDEC2@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010917113234.J18850@ringworld.org> * Austad, Jay [010917 11:09]: > I'm testing something, and I need to send about 900,000 messages to this box > and throw them all away, and then view the logs to find out exactly how many Send them to /dev/null? :) .forward: |dd of=/dev/null -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net "History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." - Justice Thurgood Marshall (1989) From fritchie at mr.net Mon Sep 17 11:33:50 2001 From: fritchie at mr.net (Scott Lystig Fritchie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How I broke & fixed my DSL speed (nsrouter!) In-Reply-To: Message of "Mon, 17 Sep 2001 10:40:06 CDT." <20010917104005.A7814@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <200109171633.f8HGXoM18869@snookles.snookles.com> >>>>> "fi" == Florin Iucha writes: fi> On Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 10:16:02AM -0500, Bill Layer wrote: >> >> If you are running the 'nsrouter' version of 2.4.1 or 2.4.2, could >> you please test your speed and let me know? This seemed like a >> direct cause & effect relationship (from my end) but it still seems >> like an easy coincidence... fi> I am running nsrouter version of 2.4.3 and DSLreports gave me fi> 534/228. I'm still running 2.4.1, but I'd had the same sort of slow download speeds that Bill appears to be having now. In my case, it appeared to be related to the signal strength. Nowadays, here's what I see: cbos#show int wan0 wan0 ADSL Physical Port Line Trained 640 Kbps down; 272 Kbps up; 136 down baud; 136 up baud Line Quality 28 dB TX Power +7.1 dB Remote TX Power +14.3 dB GTI FW Rel B.91 My "Line Quality" is now a pretty healthy 28dB. When my DSL circuit was first installed, I was lucky if I got 18dB, and often times it was as low as 16 or 15 dB. It was my (perhaps flawed) understanding that anything under 20dB was starting to get iffy in terms of working versus not working well. I don't know what the minimum signal strength is, but I've seen my circuit work at 15dB. {shrug} If I recall correctly, about a year and a half ago, US West did something to their DSL equipment that caused my signal strength to jump up 10+dB. At the same time, I broke the ~240Kb/s download barrier. Onvoy claimed they didn't make any changes to their ATM configuration, so I guess I the bandwidth change was related to something US West did. {shrug} As you can see at http://www.snookles.com/mrtg/scott_wan0_lq.html, there have been periods when the signal strength is down near the old levels. I don't know what causes the fluctuation. I haven't seen a strong correlation between errors and signal strength. I would've guessed that I'd see more errors with lower signal strengths. It's weird, but I've decided to be grateful that it works at all: analog modems suck. :-) -Scott From nate at techie.com Mon Sep 17 11:37:27 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Enhyrda Enterprise no longer open source Message-ID: <20010917113727.A26797@candle.mn.mediaone.net> http://enterprise.enhydra.org/ Bob, you must be pissed! Nate From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Sep 17 12:01:25 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Postfix and sending all incoming mail to /dev/null Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDEC5@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> That won't work because these messages are destined for other domains. I figured it out anyway. I made an alias devnull@localhost that dumped into /dev/null. And then set up the virtual file as a regexp instead of a hash, and matched everything and sent to devnull@localhost. Works great now. > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Dier [mailto:dieman+tclug@ringworld.org] > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 11:33 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Postfix and sending all incoming mail to > /dev/null > > > * Austad, Jay [010917 11:09]: > > I'm testing something, and I need to send about 900,000 messages to > > this box and throw them all away, and then view the logs to > find out > > exactly how many > > Send them to /dev/null? :) > > .forward: > |dd of=/dev/null > > -- > Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net "History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." - Justice Thurgood Marshall (1989) _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Sep 17 12:04:15 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fairly inexpensive KVM? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDEC6@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> I have a cybex 4 port and it works great. However, if you have a USB mouse and use the USB to PS2 converter, it doesn't like that too much. You don't need an external power supply for it either. It has a hookup for one, but doesn't come with one and works fine without it. It was around $150 when I bought it 2 years ago. > -----Original Message----- > From: andy@theasis.com [mailto:andy@theasis.com] > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 10:00 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Fairly inexpensive KVM? > > > > I'm looking for a fairly inexpensive KVM that works well with Linux > > and X. We use Belkin at the office, but it's a little > pricey for home > > use. > > > > Any recommendation? > > well what price range are you aiming for? You can get a > 4-port belkin for just over $100. > > Andy > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From veldy at visi.com Mon Sep 17 12:12:48 2001 From: veldy at visi.com (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Postfix and sending all incoming mail to /dev/null References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDEC2@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <010b01c13f9b$f9e13010$3028680a@tgt.com> Use procmail as your delivery agent and then setup a filter to do it. procmail filters are beyond the scope of this class ... :) Tom Veldhouse veldy@visi.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Austad, Jay" To: Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 11:07 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Postfix and sending all incoming mail to /dev/null > What's the best way to send ALL incoming mail to /dev/null using postfix? > > I'm testing something, and I need to send about 900,000 messages to this box > and throw them all away, and then view the logs to find out exactly how many > came through. I figured out how to reject incoming mail, but I don't want > to bounce it, I want to accept it all and put it in /dev/null. The To: > addresses are thousands of different domains also. > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From lbehrens at boolion.com Mon Sep 17 12:18:46 2001 From: lbehrens at boolion.com (Lee J. Behrens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #1436 - 9 msgs Message-ID: MINI-HOWTO: Running games on VMWare 0. Introduction 1. Games That Won't Run 2. Game That Might Run 3. Other Tips 0. Introduction This is a Mini How-To for running games on VMWare. 1. Games That Won't Run Games won't run on VMWare if they need one or more of the following: - Hardware acceleration - VESA 2.0 or later 2. Games That Might Run 2.1 Games might run if they need one or more of the following: - VESA 1.x - DirectX - OpenGL 2.2 Games might run if they can use software acceleration. 3. Other Tips 3.1. Check www.vmware.com for the latest VMWare updates, FAQs, etc. 3.2. Try the game anyway on a new virtual machine. It might work, perhaps with a few updates to the Guest OS, regardless of what the official specs say. You can always delete your virtual machine. ;) Lee Behrens If you can get all the top selling games, like DiabloII, StarCraft, WarCraft, AoE, Mech4, etc working under VMWare, please post a howto. From fertch at mninter.net Mon Sep 17 12:32:28 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #1436 - 9 msgs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01091712322800.06099@bleys> On Monday 17 September 2001 12:18, Lee J. Behrens wrote: > If you can get all the top selling games, like DiabloII, StarCraft, > WarCraft, > AoE, Mech4, etc working under VMWare, please post a howto. -- I believe that Starcraft works under Wine, Warcraft is almost the same game and would imagine the same thing. Diablo 2 I'm boycotting, so won't even look at if it's up and running on anything. The games I'm mostly interested in running are ST: Elite Force (built on Quake 3 engine), and Everquest. --- Shawn "Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do." -Bruce Lee From carter_robert at htc.honeywell.com Mon Sep 17 12:38:07 2001 From: carter_robert at htc.honeywell.com (Carter, Robert L (MN65)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop for Linux? Message-ID: All other things being equal, is there any brand of laptop that's better for Linux? (i.e. easier to install w/o difficulty, run smoothly). Or, are there brands that are reputed to be troublesome? How about the Micro Center Winbooks? Thanks, Bob From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Mon Sep 17 12:44:48 2001 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop for Linux? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have had friends that have bought toshiba and sony laptops hand have no problems with linux. Colin From andy at theasis.com Mon Sep 17 12:46:33 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop for Linux? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > reputed to be troublesome? How about the Micro Center Winbooks? Check out www.linux-laptop.org. Find the model in question. I recall that there was a minor issue with the mouse driver and X on a winbook I used to have, related to the fact that it had both a touchpad and an eraserhead joystick thingy. That was long ago, and it's likely fixed. Andy > > Thanks, > > Bob From tanner at real-time.com Mon Sep 17 15:30:03 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fairly inexpensive KVM? In-Reply-To: ; from andy@theasis.com on Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 10:00:01AM -0500 References: <20010917020256.B23974@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010917153003.H7488@real-time.com> Quoting andy@theasis.com (andy@theasis.com): > > I'm looking for a fairly inexpensive KVM that works well with Linux and X. We > > use Belkin at the office, but it's a little pricey for home use. > > > > Any recommendation? > > well what price range are you aiming for? You can get a 4-port belkin for > just over $100. Really? What are your cable costs? I was quoted by CDW, $218 for 2(!) port Belkin and cables. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Mon Sep 17 15:31:13 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Enhyrda Enterprise no longer open source In-Reply-To: <20010917113727.A26797@candle.mn.mediaone.net>; from nate@techie.com on Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 11:37:27AM -0500 References: <20010917113727.A26797@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20010917153113.I7488@real-time.com> Quoting Nate Straz (nate@techie.com): > http://enterprise.enhydra.org/ > > Bob, you must be pissed! No comment! :-P We run Enhydra Classic. Most of our clients don't need J2EE. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Sep 17 15:32:18 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop for Linux? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDECA@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> All I have to say is that the HP Omnibook 500 is probably the sweetest little laptop I've ever used. Runs linux great, it's small, sturdy, and has blue LED's. What more could you want? :) > -----Original Message----- > From: andy@theasis.com [mailto:andy@theasis.com] > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 12:47 PM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Laptop for Linux? > > > > reputed to be troublesome? How about the Micro Center Winbooks? > > Check out www.linux-laptop.org. > Find the model in question. > > I recall that there was a minor issue with the mouse driver > and X on a winbook I used to have, related to the fact that > it had both a touchpad and an eraserhead joystick thingy. > That was long ago, and it's likely fixed. > > Andy > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bob > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From andy at theasis.com Mon Sep 17 15:41:53 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fairly inexpensive KVM? In-Reply-To: <20010917153003.H7488@real-time.com> Message-ID: > Really? What are your cable costs? > > I was quoted by CDW, $218 for 2(!) port Belkin and cables. http://www.us.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10218472&hdwt=30704&loc=14617 I'm using the Omniview SE 4-port, because it'll do both PS/2 and serial mouse. $112.95 Cables? you have to do your own shopping. The only ones they really rip you for are the ones that interconnect one KVM to another. I have 2 of these KVMs, but don't have them linked yet. Andy From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Sep 17 16:02:57 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LaBrea Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDECB@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> For those of you not on the security announcement list from securityfocus, here's a nice little program which looks pretty sweet. I haven't tried it yet though. If you go to their site, you can view hosts that have been "tarpitted" and for how long. ======================= First we slooooowed 'em down... ...Now, we're gonna' STOP 'em. Announcing: LaBrea 2.0 It all started a few weeks ago when we read this innocent little paragraph in Chapter 22 of Steven's TCP/IP Illustrated, Vol. 1: "The characteristic of the persist state that is different from the retransmission timeout in Chapter 21 is that TCP never gives up sending window probes. These window probes continue to be sent at 60-second intervals until the window opens up or either of the applications using the connection is terminated." What a lovely word "NEVER" is.... As you may or may not know, LaBrea 1.x is a small Linux-based application that puts unused IP addresses on your network to use, creating a "tarpit" which slows down scans of your address space by establishing connections and forcing inbound connections to time-out. LaBrea automates the process of "grabbing" unused IP addresses and adding them to its pool of "tarpit" addresses. But now, thanks to the word NEVER, we can take "active defense" to a whole new level. LaBrea is beginning to generate interest in those who know that an active stance against REAL attackers is necessary to the continued health of the Internet: "LaBrea gives its users a tactical advantage over 'zombie' computers like those compromised by the Code Red worms. The computer security industry will find it a very intriguing utility." -- Rob Rosenberger, editor, Vmyths.com **New in LaBrea 2.0** When LaBrea is started with the "-p" flag, it will force connection attempts into the "persist" state. You grab 'em, hold 'em, and NEVER let 'em go. Yes, that's right... I said "*NEVER* LET THEM GO"... How does it work? Technical details: The LaBrea "server" software allows a normal three-way handshake in response to a connect attempt. During the handshake, the server sets a small (5 byte) TCP window. When the client sends its first 5 bytes of data, the server responds with a TCP window of 0 (wait). The client then shifts into the "persist" state, where it sends what are called "window probe" packets at intervals that increase to a maximum of 4 minutes for an NT stack. The LaBrea server answers these probes to hold the client in the persist state. At this point, a connection can be maintained with a throughput of approximately 1215 bytes per hour. All of this can be done without maintaining any "state" on the connections. This vastly simplifies LaBrea's code. Because you're holding connections open, and because there is a bandwidth "cost" associated with doing that, the "-p" option requires that you specify the maximum bandwidth (in bytes/second) that you want to allocate to doing this. You set the maximum bandwidth, fire it off, and LaBrea takes care of the rest. It keeps a 5 minute running window of bandwidth allocated to holding open connections, and does it's best to keep you at or near the maximum you allow. (FYI: 1 byte/second is roughly equal to 3 scanning threads). What happens to the threads you don't grab? LaBrea still tarpit's 'em... just like before. Using LaBrea before was a whole lot of fun... Now, it's just incredible. I've had people ping scanning "virtual machines", running NMap on them, and even some enterprising folks very interested in the version of BIND that my LaBrea machines are running. Ladies and gentlemen, we really CAN make a difference. But don't just take my word for it: check it out for yourself. At the HackBusters site, we have a page showing the current "live" activity in our very own tarpit. You can see the folks that are just visiting, and you can also check out a list of the very "special" people that we're hanging onto INDEFINITELY. While you're there, grab a copy of the source code to LaBrea, or read our white paper entitled "Welcome to My Tarpit - The Tactical and Strategic Use of LaBrea." While you're looking at the "VIPs" as we're calling them, notice something: I've held onto some of them for more than 5 days... No, you didn't mis-read that: *5 DAYS*... And don't be fooled by the fact that everything there seems to be aimed at port 80. Hackbusters lil' chunk o' IP space just seems to be sitting in the midst of CodeRed central... LaBrea will capture anything that tries to initiate a full connection on ANY port. Over the weekend, we had some Gnutella scanners on the line until they got a clue and gave up... We believe that by using tools like LaBrea, we can actually make a strong proactive stand to improve the "health" of the Internet. Please consider setting up a tarpit. Please pass the word to others. See: http://www.hackbusters.net Questions and comments can be directed to the address on the HackBusters site. From Charles_E_Zlamal at consecofinance.com Mon Sep 17 16:16:58 2001 From: Charles_E_Zlamal at consecofinance.com (Charles_E_Zlamal@consecofinance.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] is this possible Message-ID: Does anyone know if it is possible to redirect output from a tar command to a tape device file on another system via an NFS mount? My understanding is that there are some issues with the redirection of sequential write devices. I am trying to centralize a backup device that will serve several NT based virtual servers on Linux hosts. (for purposes of continuity, my company insists on the NT backup format for these machines) From eng at pinenet.com Mon Sep 17 16:16:04 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fairly inexpensive KVM?.sdm In-Reply-To: <20010917020256.B23974@real-time.com> References: <20010917020256.B23974@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010917.21160400@linwin.mshome.net> I got an "ATEN" Master View CS-102 a couple of years ago. It was a cheapie on eBay, but it has worked perfectly for my uses. I've never tried hot plugging it or pushing the many other features. It even looks nice. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 9/17/01, 2:02:56 AM, Bob Tanner wrote regarding [TCLUG] Fairly inexpensive KVM?.sdm: > I'm looking for a fairly inexpensive KVM that works well with Linux and X. We > use Belkin at the office, but it's a little pricey for home use. > Any recommendation? > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Mon Sep 17 16:37:27 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fairly inexpensive KVM?.sdm Message-ID: Belkin 4 port Omnicubes are $120.00 here: http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.asp?EDC=137124 and cable kits can be had for as little as $14.00 here: http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/accessories.asp?ProductID=26575 but I like the all in one cable option (it can become such a mess otherwise) for $23.00 though. Good luck, Troy >>> eng@pinenet.com 09/17/01 04:16PM >>> I got an "ATEN" Master View CS-102 a couple of years ago. It was a cheapie on eBay, but it has worked perfectly for my uses. I've never tried hot plugging it or pushing the many other features. It even looks nice. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 9/17/01, 2:02:56 AM, Bob Tanner wrote regarding [TCLUG] Fairly inexpensive KVM?.sdm: > I'm looking for a fairly inexpensive KVM that works well with Linux and X. We > use Belkin at the office, but it's a little pricey for home use. > Any recommendation? > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at greentechnologist.org Mon Sep 17 17:14:17 2001 From: josh at greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LaBrea In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDECB@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: Holy buttons Batman! That sounds awesome, especially for an ISP to run on it's unused IPs. So Bob, what does this look like to your ISPish eyes? I know I'd pay extra to be at the other end of an ISP with that sort of defense around my IPs. Or ... jeepers. This might be cool for ipf to do too. Tarpit the people doing scans. Right now I have my firewall report all blocked ports as closed so a open but not used port looks identical to the other 0xFF02 ports that aren't even open. I suppose that would confuse the heck out of someone trying to scan the machine. Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free speech is simply staggering." - Paul Cantrell, St Paul area software developer On Mon, 17 Sep 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > For those of you not on the security announcement list from securityfocus, > here's a nice little program which looks pretty sweet. I haven't tried it > yet though. If you go to their site, you can view hosts that have been > "tarpitted" and for how long. > ======================= > > First we slooooowed 'em down... > > ...Now, we're gonna' STOP 'em. > > Announcing: LaBrea 2.0 > > It all started a few weeks ago when we read this innocent little paragraph > in Chapter 22 of Steven's TCP/IP Illustrated, Vol. 1: > > "The characteristic of the persist state that is different from the > retransmission timeout in Chapter 21 is that TCP never gives up sending > window probes. These window probes continue to be sent at 60-second > intervals until the window opens up or either of the applications using the > connection is terminated." > > What a lovely word "NEVER" is.... > > As you may or may not know, LaBrea 1.x is a small Linux-based application > that puts unused IP addresses on your network to use, creating a "tarpit" > which slows down scans of your address space by establishing connections and > forcing inbound connections to time-out. LaBrea automates the process of > "grabbing" unused IP addresses and adding them to its pool of "tarpit" > addresses. > > But now, thanks to the word NEVER, we can take "active defense" to a whole > new level. > > LaBrea is beginning to generate interest in those who know that an active > stance against REAL attackers is necessary to the continued health of the > Internet: > > "LaBrea gives its users a tactical advantage over 'zombie' computers like > those compromised by the Code Red worms. The computer security industry > will find it a very intriguing utility." > -- Rob Rosenberger, editor, Vmyths.com > > **New in LaBrea 2.0** > > When LaBrea is started with the "-p" flag, it will force connection attempts > into the "persist" state. You grab 'em, hold 'em, and NEVER let 'em go. > > Yes, that's right... I said "*NEVER* LET THEM GO"... > > How does it work? Technical details: The LaBrea "server" software allows a > normal three-way handshake in response to a connect attempt. During the > handshake, the server sets a small (5 byte) TCP window. When the client > sends its first 5 bytes of data, the server responds with a TCP window of 0 > (wait). The client then shifts into the "persist" state, where it sends what > are called "window probe" packets at intervals that increase to a maximum of > 4 minutes for an NT stack. The LaBrea server answers these probes to hold > the client in the persist state. At this point, a connection can be > maintained with a throughput of approximately 1215 bytes per hour. All of > this can be done without maintaining any "state" on the connections. This > vastly simplifies LaBrea's code. > > Because you're holding connections open, and because there is a bandwidth > "cost" associated with doing that, the "-p" option requires that you specify > the maximum bandwidth (in bytes/second) that you want to allocate to doing > this. You set the maximum bandwidth, fire it off, and LaBrea takes care of > the rest. It keeps a 5 minute running window of bandwidth allocated to > holding open connections, and does it's best to keep you at or near the > maximum you allow. > (FYI: 1 byte/second is roughly equal to 3 scanning threads). > > What happens to the threads you don't grab? LaBrea still tarpit's 'em... > just like before. > > Using LaBrea before was a whole lot of fun... Now, it's just incredible. > I've had people ping scanning "virtual machines", running NMap on them, and > even some enterprising folks very interested in the version of BIND that my > LaBrea machines are running. Ladies and gentlemen, we really CAN make a > difference. > > But don't just take my word for it: check it out for yourself. At the > HackBusters site, we have a page showing the current "live" activity in our > very own tarpit. You can see the folks that are just visiting, and you can > also check out a list of the very "special" people that we're hanging onto > INDEFINITELY. While you're there, grab a copy of the source code to LaBrea, > or read our white paper entitled "Welcome to My Tarpit - The Tactical and > Strategic Use of LaBrea." > > While you're looking at the "VIPs" as we're calling them, notice something: > I've held onto some of them for more than 5 days... No, you didn't mis-read > that: *5 DAYS*... And don't be fooled by the fact that everything there > seems to be aimed at port 80. Hackbusters lil' chunk o' IP space just seems > to be sitting in the midst of CodeRed central... LaBrea will capture > anything that tries to initiate a full connection on ANY port. Over the > weekend, we had some Gnutella scanners on the line until they got a clue and > gave up... > > We believe that by using tools like LaBrea, we can actually make a strong > proactive stand to improve the "health" of the Internet. Please consider > setting up a tarpit. Please pass the word to others. > > See: http://www.hackbusters.net > > Questions and comments can be directed to the address on the HackBusters > site. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jay at slushpupie.com Mon Sep 17 17:13:21 2001 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LaBrea In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDECB@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDECB@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010917221327.FAGQ559.femail27.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Maybe an addition to this is give random responces to mask what a real OS would produce (after a LONG timeout of course) On Monday 17 September 2001 04:02 pm, you wrote: > For those of you not on the security announcement list from securityfocus, > here's a nice little program which looks pretty sweet. I haven't tried it > yet though. If you go to their site, you can view hosts that have been > "tarpitted" and for how long. > ======================= > > First we slooooowed 'em down... > > ...Now, we're gonna' STOP 'em. > > Announcing: LaBrea 2.0 > > It all started a few weeks ago when we read this innocent little paragraph > in Chapter 22 of Steven's TCP/IP Illustrated, Vol. 1: > > "The characteristic of the persist state that is different from the > retransmission timeout in Chapter 21 is that TCP never gives up sending > window probes. These window probes continue to be sent at 60-second > intervals until the window opens up or either of the applications using the > connection is terminated." > > What a lovely word "NEVER" is.... > > As you may or may not know, LaBrea 1.x is a small Linux-based application > that puts unused IP addresses on your network to use, creating a "tarpit" > which slows down scans of your address space by establishing connections > and forcing inbound connections to time-out. LaBrea automates the process > of "grabbing" unused IP addresses and adding them to its pool of "tarpit" > addresses. > > But now, thanks to the word NEVER, we can take "active defense" to a whole > new level. > > LaBrea is beginning to generate interest in those who know that an active > stance against REAL attackers is necessary to the continued health of the > Internet: > > "LaBrea gives its users a tactical advantage over 'zombie' computers like > those compromised by the Code Red worms. The computer security industry > will find it a very intriguing utility." > -- Rob Rosenberger, editor, Vmyths.com > > **New in LaBrea 2.0** > > When LaBrea is started with the "-p" flag, it will force connection > attempts into the "persist" state. You grab 'em, hold 'em, and NEVER let > 'em go. > > Yes, that's right... I said "*NEVER* LET THEM GO"... > > How does it work? Technical details: The LaBrea "server" software allows > a normal three-way handshake in response to a connect attempt. During the > handshake, the server sets a small (5 byte) TCP window. When the client > sends its first 5 bytes of data, the server responds with a TCP window of 0 > (wait). The client then shifts into the "persist" state, where it sends > what are called "window probe" packets at intervals that increase to a > maximum of 4 minutes for an NT stack. The LaBrea server answers these > probes to hold the client in the persist state. At this point, a > connection can be maintained with a throughput of approximately 1215 bytes > per hour. All of this can be done without maintaining any "state" on the > connections. This vastly simplifies LaBrea's code. > > Because you're holding connections open, and because there is a bandwidth > "cost" associated with doing that, the "-p" option requires that you > specify the maximum bandwidth (in bytes/second) that you want to allocate > to doing this. You set the maximum bandwidth, fire it off, and LaBrea takes > care of the rest. It keeps a 5 minute running window of bandwidth allocated > to holding open connections, and does it's best to keep you at or near the > maximum you allow. > (FYI: 1 byte/second is roughly equal to 3 scanning threads). > > What happens to the threads you don't grab? LaBrea still tarpit's 'em... > just like before. > > Using LaBrea before was a whole lot of fun... Now, it's just incredible. > I've had people ping scanning "virtual machines", running NMap on them, and > even some enterprising folks very interested in the version of BIND that my > LaBrea machines are running. Ladies and gentlemen, we really CAN make a > difference. > > But don't just take my word for it: check it out for yourself. At the > HackBusters site, we have a page showing the current "live" activity in our > very own tarpit. You can see the folks that are just visiting, and you can > also check out a list of the very "special" people that we're hanging onto > INDEFINITELY. While you're there, grab a copy of the source code to > LaBrea, or read our white paper entitled "Welcome to My Tarpit - The > Tactical and Strategic Use of LaBrea." > > While you're looking at the "VIPs" as we're calling them, notice something: > I've held onto some of them for more than 5 days... No, you didn't mis-read > that: *5 DAYS*... And don't be fooled by the fact that everything there > seems to be aimed at port 80. Hackbusters lil' chunk o' IP space just > seems to be sitting in the midst of CodeRed central... LaBrea will capture > anything that tries to initiate a full connection on ANY port. Over the > weekend, we had some Gnutella scanners on the line until they got a clue > and gave up... > > We believe that by using tools like LaBrea, we can actually make a strong > proactive stand to improve the "health" of the Internet. Please consider > setting up a tarpit. Please pass the word to others. > > See: http://www.hackbusters.net > > Questions and comments can be directed to the address on the HackBusters > site. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- You will live a long, healthy, happy life and make bags of money. From eng at pinenet.com Mon Sep 17 19:03:51 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Building an integrated Linux.sdm Message-ID: <20010918.35100@linwin.mshome.net> The emergency survival kit is in the good humor you provide. Thanks. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 9/17/01, 4:19:43 PM, Jack Ungerleider wrote regarding Re: [TCLUG] Building an integrated Linux.sdm: > On Sunday 16 September 2001 15:46, you wrote: > > > > > -SuSe has this strange air of superiority surrounding it. It has been > > engineered down to the nth nano-detail, comes with great setup and > > administration tools, and touts itself as being the best of all possible > > Linux distribtions. This is the stereotypically overengineered German > > Linux distribution, and like many stereotypes, this one is based on fact > > and holds up fairly well. I think that the SuSe Linux retail packages that > > are sold north of the Mason-Dixon line come with handwarmers, defrosters > > and an emergency survival kit. SuSe is like the Old Contry Buffet of > > Linux, but with someone to walk along, hold your tray, and suggest food > > selections compatible with their plans for you. Way more sauerbraten than > > you recall. > >... > > I hope you didn't waste your time reading this. > > > > > > -.bill.layer.- > > > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- > > > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > > > As a SuSE user of long standing (since 5.3) I agree whole heartedly! > But I haven't found the emergancy survival kit yet. ;-) > -- > Jack Ungerleider > jack@jacku.com > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Mon Sep 17 19:22:55 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop for Linux? In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDECA@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 03:32:18PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDECA@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010917192250.A1460@real-time.com> > All I have to say is that the HP Omnibook 500 is probably the sweetest > little laptop I've ever used. Runs linux great, it's small, sturdy, and has > blue LED's. What more could you want? :) bring it to a TCLUG meeting sometime. :) I'm interested in taking a look at it. I personally like the look & feel of IBMs. I also think they're one of the more durable brands. (based on my experiences with field computers at the Dairy Herd Improvement Association. YMMV.) others will of course have differing opinions. to each their own. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Mon Sep 17 19:36:38 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] is this possible In-Reply-To: ; from Charles_E_Zlamal@consecofinance.com on Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 04:16:58PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010917193633.B1460@real-time.com> > Does anyone know if it is possible to redirect output from a tar command to > a tape device file on another system via an NFS mount? My understanding is > that there are some issues with the redirection of sequential write > devices. yes, there are. NFS doesn't export devices (although the technical details escape me at the moment). if you want to export a device over the network; you need to look into the Network Block Device... but that's not going to be the answer to your problems, AFAIK. tar has some limited network capability in and of itself; as I remember. I don't remember the details, and seem to remember that I never got it to work; but mostly I was trying to do network restores with tomsrtbt, and having no success at it. netcat may be of some use here. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Mon Sep 17 19:48:40 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ramdisk errors In-Reply-To: <01091710151901.00498@bleys>; from fertch@mninter.net on Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 10:15:19AM -0500 References: <01091710151901.00498@bleys> Message-ID: <20010917194835.C1460@real-time.com> > it's an old AT&T server is it microchannel? I've got a 1993 NCR 4300 (an AT&T subsidiary at the time); and it's microchannel... I know someone in St. Cloud who has a dual p60 version of the same thing; and it's microchannel as well. I hear Debian has microchannel support in their latest boot images; but other than that, you may have to build your own boot/root system. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Mon Sep 17 20:16:07 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #1436 - 9 msgs In-Reply-To: <01091712322800.06099@bleys>; from fertch@mninter.net on Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 12:32:28PM -0500 References: <01091712322800.06099@bleys> Message-ID: <20010917201602.D1460@real-time.com> > I believe that Starcraft works under Wine, runs quite happily on my 1.1GHz; tho it *is* a resource hog. turns out to be idiotically simple to get working under the latest versions of WINE. 1. install wine (apt-get install wine, in my case) 2. install winesetuptk (apt-get install winesetuptk) 3. configure your own fake win95 installation with winesetup (it's a GUI click-by-numbers thing). 4. mount the Starcraft CD. 5. wine --winver win95 /mnt/cdrom/setup.exe 6. wine -winver win95 ~/.wine/fake_windows/starcraft/StarCraft.exe ... and you're playing. :) it'll even play in a 640x480 window on your desktop. only problem with that, is that it's an unmanaged window; and on my triple-monitor setup, ends up in the upper left corner of the screen, over an arm's-length away and way off to one side. ;> I just set up another user (named 'starcraft') and created a custom XF86Config-4 file for them, set up for 640x480, using only one screen. :) Nate suggested setting that X session up on another virtual console; but I found that: a. the video driver didn't like rendering text in multiple X sessions, and smeared text in my terminal window into lines across the screen b. performance sucked >Warcraft is almost the same game > and would imagine the same thing. try Freecraft. www.freecraft.org. plays like Warcraft, but is native to *nix. can use the Warcraft artwork; so it looks just the same. it's also easy to make your own artwork for the units; and there's a project going, to create a full set of replacement art for it, so they don't have to use the (copyrighted) Warcraft images. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Mon Sep 17 20:19:49 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fairly inexpensive KVM? In-Reply-To: ; from jeffr@odeon.net on Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 09:58:29AM -0500 References: <20010917020256.B23974@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010917201949.E1460@real-time.com> > I believe Linksys makes a few different models of KVM switches, but I > haven't tried any of theirs. I tried one out a couple of years ago. utterly vile piece of garbage. unfit to use even at 1024x768. made the screen 'crawl' constantly, and would occasionally send the mouse randomly flying and clicking around the screen. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From dsherman at real-time.com Mon Sep 17 21:06:46 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Fwd: Apache & SSL] Message-ID: <1000778812.16665.12.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> Hello everyone, I sent this message to a friend, then thought I would send it here as well. Got a small problem. I'm trying to get my Apache server running with SSL. I am using an apache-mod_ssl package that was compiled at Real-Time (don't know if it's still on the ftp.m-linux.org server or not). I have the mod_ssl module mentioned in both the LoadModule and AddModule sections. This is running on RedHat 6.2, if anyone cares. > I've got a temporary certificate generated, everything looks good. But > when I add these lines to httpd.conf: > > SSLCertificateFile /etc.httpd/conf/server.crt > SSLCertificateKeyFile /etc/httpd/conf/server.key > > and restart my server with the -DSSL option, Apache complains about > those items, thinking that my syntax is wrong. > > I have verified from two separate docs that the above should be correct. > The files do exist in the specified directories. > > Any thoughts? Could Apache have been compiled without mod_ssl support, > by mistake? > > Thanks in advance, > Dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010917/73f2d596/attachment.pgp From hans at friedchicken.org Mon Sep 17 21:22:45 2001 From: hans at friedchicken.org (Hans P. Christianson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop for Linux? In-Reply-To: <20010917192250.A1460@real-time.com> Message-ID: I have an old crappy thinkpad, a pentium I 75 MHz, 32 M ram, minimal hard drive, and no cdrom. Got linux working great on it after a little kernel work. I was very impressed at how much better it runs on linux than that other OS.. --- H. P. Christianson 20 NE Second St. #1005 Minneapolis, MN 55413 (612) 327-6654 hans@friedchicken.org From dsherman at real-time.com Mon Sep 17 21:43:39 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop for Linux? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1000781025.16664.18.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> On Mon, 2001-09-17 at 21:22, Hans P. Christianson wrote: > I have an old crappy thinkpad, a pentium I 75 MHz, 32 M ram, minimal hard > drive, and no cdrom. Got linux working great on it after a little kernel > work. I was very impressed at how much better it runs on linux than that > other OS.. I have a ThinkPad 1400i, it's a great little laptop for Linux. The LT Winmodem is supported by a closed-source driver from Lucent, and everything else was supported by Mandrake 7.2 right "out of the box". This is the system I use day-to-day, for 99% of my computing needs, and the only problem I occasionally run into is that it seems to overheat on warm days. This happens in both Windows and Linux (dual-boot setup, unfortunately -- I'd love to get rid of Windows completely, but there's just a couple of things I still need). Other than that, it's been a great system for 2 years. Dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I > am using an apache-mod_ssl package that was compiled at Real-Time (don't know > if it's still on the ftp.m-linux.org server or not). I have the mod_ssl module > mentioned in both the LoadModule and AddModule sections. > This is running on RedHat 6.2, if anyone cares. > > I've got a temporary certificate generated, everything looks good. But > > when I add these lines to httpd.conf: > > > > SSLCertificateFile /etc.httpd/conf/server.crt > > SSLCertificateKeyFile /etc/httpd/conf/server.key > > > > and restart my server with the -DSSL option, Apache complains about > > those items, thinking that my syntax is wrong. > > > > I have verified from two separate docs that the above should be correct. > > The files do exist in the specified directories. > > > > Any thoughts? Could Apache have been compiled without mod_ssl support, > > by mistake? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Dave From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Sep 17 22:36:53 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB Timeouts? Message-ID: Hey there, Is anyone here doing intensive USB stuff, such as unplugging and replugging in a hole lot? I've got a couple of machines sitting on a Belkin USB KVM. It acts as a USB hub - you plug all your USB devices into it (in my case, keyboard and mouse) and it switches them between the machines connected. One of the machines is Win2K, the other's my Linux box. The kernel is currently 2.4.9, this has been going on since like 2.4.5 (when I got the hub I think). What happens is this. Seemingly at random, occasionally when you switch back to Linux it will not pick up the 'new' USB devices. /var/log/messages shows this: Sep 17 22:29:39 dragon kernel: hub.c: USB new device connect on bus1/1, assigned device number 15 Sep 17 22:29:42 dragon kernel: usb_control/bulk_msg: timeout Sep 17 22:29:42 dragon kernel: hub.c: USB new device connect on bus1/1, assigned device number 16 Sep 17 22:29:45 dragon kernel: usb_control/bulk_msg: timeout ...and so on. You can switch back and forth as much as you like, plug devices directly into the machine without the KVM in the middle, and nothing. At this point I'm stuck with a machine that's still up but has no HID. This often happens when I'm in mid download I'd rather not interrupt, or when I'm in the middle of writing Email (pine saves it usually though) or looking at a website I haven't bookmarked, etc. Does anyone have any idea about this, how to prevent and/or restore when it happnes? USB is compiled into the kernel so I can't rmmod and re-modprobe, though that's one idea... -Yaron -- From tanner at real-time.com Mon Sep 17 23:21:42 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LaBrea In-Reply-To: ; from josh@greentechnologist.org on Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 05:14:17PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDECB@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010917232142.A18818@real-time.com> Quoting Joshua b. Jore (josh@greentechnologist.org): > Holy buttons Batman! That sounds awesome, especially for an ISP to run on > it's unused IPs. So Bob, what does this look like to your ISPish eyes? I > know I'd pay extra to be at the other end of an ISP with that sort of > defense around my IPs. Or ... jeepers. This might be cool for ipf to do > too. Tarpit the people doing scans. Right now I have my firewall report > all blocked ports as closed so a open but not used port looks identical to > the other 0xFF02 ports that aren't even open. I suppose that would confuse > the heck out of someone trying to scan the machine. I'll be sitting down with Nate and Carl and we will do some testing :-) Some scanning, some probing and some reporting back to the list. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From natecars at real-time.com Mon Sep 17 23:31:51 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LaBrea In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDECB@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Sep 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > When LaBrea is started with the "-p" flag, it will force connection attempts > into the "persist" state. You grab 'em, hold 'em, and NEVER let 'em go. Tried the old version about a month ago -- looks pretty good. Hard part is to make sure that you only use it on ranges with no valid machines.. otherwise, it can make routine network monitoring a major pain. On NANOG, some people were discussing deploying this across a few entire unused /16's.. would be rahter interesting, and not all that difficult. :) Of course, those /16's would rapidly become known as tarpits, so the crackers would just add filters for them.. but for a little bit, it'd be fun! -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Sep 18 01:33:06 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop for Linux? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDECD@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> The HP is actually my roomies machine. I'll see if I can coerce him into going to meeting sometime. Actually, Microcenter had one last time I was in there. I don't particularly like any of HP's products except for the Omnibook 500. Even their other notebooks seem like they suck. They must have paid someone to make the 500 for them as it's tons better than their other stuff. I used to have an IBM, and while it was a nice machine, it felt really bulky, even though it wasn't. IBM does seem to have some nice slim ones out lately though, I haven't seen pricing on them though. You can pick up an omnibook for as low as $700 on ebay for the celeron 600 model, or as cheap as $1000 or so new. They go up to about $2500 though if you get the one with the integrated NIC, docking bay, 8MB video ram, etc... I have a sony laptop now, and it feels flimsy, and it's got that damn trackpad thing. I like the little nub in the middle of the keyboard like toshibas, some ibm's, and the HP 500. Plus, sony uses that neomagic video/sound chipset that shares the same memory and it can be a pain in the ass with linux. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom [mailto:chrome@real-time.com] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 7:23 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Laptop for Linux? > All I have to say is that the HP Omnibook 500 is probably the sweetest > little laptop I've ever used. Runs linux great, it's small, sturdy, and has > blue LED's. What more could you want? :) bring it to a TCLUG meeting sometime. :) I'm interested in taking a look at it. I personally like the look & feel of IBMs. I also think they're one of the more durable brands. (based on my experiences with field computers at the Dairy Herd Improvement Association. YMMV.) others will of course have differing opinions. to each their own. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ray at lctn.k12.mn.us Tue Sep 18 06:55:12 2001 From: ray at lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DNS problem? Message-ID: <007601c14038$c69c41c0$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> I use an ipchains script on my Linux box to get Internet to my win98 machine. Up till yesterday it was working fine. One minute it was working , the next it stopped. I now can only get to web sites by IP address. I have not changed anything that I know of. Can some one tell me what I might verify, or change on the script to be sure the DNS works for the workstation. Also would like to know if I am to use real name servers in TCP settings for Win98, or the IP of the Linux box. Presently I was using the name servers of my ISP. Any other ideas would be appreciated, including some alternative scripts or programs to use my Linux box as a gateway. Presently I am using the firewall.sh script from the plonk project. Thanks in advance Raymond -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010918/736bf6c8/attachment.html From dsherman at real-time.com Tue Sep 18 08:10:34 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Fwd: Apache & SSL].sdm In-Reply-To: <20010918.3213700@linwin.mshome.net> References: <1000778812.16665.12.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> <20010918.3213700@linwin.mshome.net> Message-ID: <1000818640.1006.2.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> On Mon, 2001-09-17 at 22:21, Rick Engebretson wrote: > Its worth caring about. But I don't know. The "a patchy" server on Red > Hat 6.2 might need an update for SSL. Well, I do have the openssl packages installed, and Apache was compiled with mod_ssl support. Can't think of anything else I might need... Dave > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > On 9/17/01, 9:06:46 PM, Dave Sherman wrote > regarding [TCLUG] [Fwd: Apache & SSL].sdm: > > > > Hello everyone, > > > I sent this message to a friend, then thought I would send it here as > > well. > > > Got a small problem. I'm trying to get my Apache server running with SSL. > I > > am using an apache-mod_ssl package that was compiled at Real-Time (don't > know > > if it's still on the ftp.m-linux.org server or not). I have the mod_ssl > module > > mentioned in both the LoadModule and AddModule sections. > > > This is running on RedHat 6.2, if anyone cares. > > > > I've got a temporary certificate generated, everything looks good. But > > > when I add these lines to httpd.conf: > > > > > > SSLCertificateFile /etc.httpd/conf/server.crt > > > SSLCertificateKeyFile /etc/httpd/conf/server.key > > > > > > and restart my server with the -DSSL option, Apache complains about > > > those items, thinking that my syntax is wrong. > > > > > > I have verified from two separate docs that the above should be correct. > > > The files do exist in the specified directories. > > > > > > Any thoughts? Could Apache have been compiled without mod_ssl support, > > > by mistake? > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > Dave > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010918/6588bbbf/attachment.pgp From dsherman at real-time.com Tue Sep 18 08:42:48 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DNS problem? In-Reply-To: <007601c14038$c69c41c0$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> References: <007601c14038$c69c41c0$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> Message-ID: <1000820573.1006.25.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> On Tue, 2001-09-18 at 06:55, Raymond Norton wrote: > I use an ipchains script on my Linux box to get Internet to my win98 machine. > Up till yesterday it was working fine. One minute it was working , the next it > stopped. I now can only get to web sites by IP address. I have not changed anything that I know of. Can some one tell me what I might verify, or change on the script to be sure the DNS works for the workstation. Also would like to know if I am to use real name servers in TCP settings for Win98, or the IP of the Linux box. Presently I was using the name servers of my ISP. Any other ideas would be appreciated, including some alternative scripts or programs to use my Linux box as a gateway. Presently I am using the firewall.sh script from the plonk project. So, if I understand you correctly, your Linux box is acting as a gateway for your Windows machine? If this is correct, then your Windows box should have the actual DNS server IP addresses for its DNS servers, and your Linux box for its gateway. Since it sounds like you can reach the Internet via IP addressing from your Windows box, this (gateway) part is set up correctly. It definitely sounds like a DNS issue. Verify that the IP addresses you are using are correct, and see if you can ping those addresses (to make sure the servers are up, although DNS may still be broken on them even if they respond to a ping). If you can verify that DNS is not respoonding, call your ISP -- it is most likely their problem, and they may even know about it if other customers have already called. You may want to consider setting up at least a caching DNS server on your Linux gateway. It will take some of the load off your network connection (no need to query an Internet DNS server if your caching server has the information), and can even help in a case such as this, where most of your commonly-visited sites will be in its cache, and so no DNS lookup need be done. Dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I know someone in St. Cloud who has a dual > p60 version of the same thing; and it's microchannel as well. > > I hear Debian has microchannel support in their latest boot images; but > other than that, you may have to build your own boot/root system. > > Carl Soderstrom -- How would one go about determining if it is or not? I don't think I have the hardware manuals. --- Shawn "Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do." -Bruce Lee From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Sep 18 09:36:23 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] is this possible In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010918093623.71891b1d.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Charles_E_Zlamal@consecofinance.com wrote: > > Does anyone know if it is possible to redirect output from a tar command > to a tape device file on another system via an NFS mount? My > understanding is that there are some issues with the redirection of > sequential write devices. No, I believe the system would interpret any devices as being local. Otherwise, how would diskless clients be able to talk to their own devices? You can run it over ssh, though: tar --rsh-command=/usr/bin/ssh -zcvf user@host:/dev/tape [files...] > I am trying to centralize a backup device that will serve several NT > based virtual servers on Linux hosts. (for purposes of continuity, my > company insists on the NT backup format for these machines) At this point, you'd probably need to find a commercial solution for that. I'm halfway wondering if Amanda is/can be ported properly to Cygwin. Anyway, I just have to mention Veritas's NetBackup. I don't know yet how good it is (or how expensive), but where I work, we're eventually going to be getting server binaries for Linux/Sparc (either that, or someone's been lying to me), and have it back up all sorts of systems (I think NT, Novell, Solaris, and Linux). -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Energizer Bunny Arrested! / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Charged with battery. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010918/34881b71/attachment.pgp From dsherman at real-time.com Tue Sep 18 09:47:19 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Worm based on Code Red? [Fwd: Re: Code Red 2 infecting one of your systems] Message-ID: <1000824446.1007.47.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> Anybody hear of a new worm based on Code Red? This guy that I am talking to seems to think so. Dave Forwarded message: > Some of this looks to be possibly a new worm that is making the rounds. I > will have one of my staff contact the owner of the server to see if they can > shut this down. > > On 18 Sep 2001, Dave Sherman wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I am not one of your customers, but I run a website, and I have noticed > > that one of your hosts is scanning me for the Code Red 2 trojan. This is > > rather annoying, considering how long it has been since Code Red first > > appeared. I have included portions of my Apache logs for your > > convenience. I am located in Minneapolis, MN (Central Standard Time). > > You may reach me at dsherman@real-time.com > > > > Thank you for your prompt assistance, > > Dave Sherman > > > > SNIPPET FROM ERROR LOG: > > [Tue Sep 18 08:58:39 2001] [error] [client 208.20.99.1] File does not > > exist: /home/httpd/html/scripts/../../winnt/system32/cmd.exe > > [Tue Sep 18 08:58:39 2001] [error] [client 208.20.99.1] File does not > > exist: /home/httpd/html/scripts/..?../winnt/system32/cmd.exe > > [Tue Sep 18 08:58:41 2001] [error] [client 208.20.99.1] File does not > > exist: /home/httpd/html/scripts/..%5c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe > > > > SNIPPET FROM ACCESS LOG: > > 208.20.99.1 - - [18/Sep/2001:08:58:41 -0500] "GET > > /scripts/..%25%35%63../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 232 > > 208.20.99.1 - - [18/Sep/2001:08:58:41 -0500] "GET > > /scripts/..%252f../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 232 > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010918/8d17ab1c/attachment.pgp From fertch at mninter.net Tue Sep 18 09:53:47 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ramdisk errors In-Reply-To: <01091809261800.00505@bleys> References: <01091710151901.00498@bleys> <20010917194835.C1460@real-time.com> <01091809261800.00505@bleys> Message-ID: <01091809534701.00505@bleys> On Tuesday 18 September 2001 09:26, Shawn Fertch wrote: > On Monday 17 September 2001 19:48, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > it's an old AT&T server > > > > is it microchannel? I've got a 1993 NCR 4300 (an AT&T subsidiary at the > > time); and it's microchannel... I know someone in St. Cloud who has a > > dual p60 version of the same thing; and it's microchannel as well. > > > > I hear Debian has microchannel support in their latest boot images; but > > other than that, you may have to build your own boot/root system. > > > > Carl Soderstrom -- One more thing on this, when is the next install fest? Next month? November? I'm already booked for two of the weekends next month and the rest of this month on weekends. I never got a chance to even think about picking up a copy of Debian last Friday like I was planning. Anyone on the east side willing to burn a copy of the latest Potato and Woody for me? I don't plan on using X, just the OS as this will be a file/print/DNS-DHCP server. Between this server and the ramdisk error, and my other machine I'm trying to setup as my dial-out gateway which failed, I've lost a bit more hair..... --- Shawn "Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do." -Bruce Lee From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Tue Sep 18 10:02:38 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:08 2005 Subject: FW: [TCLUG] New Worm based on Code Red? [Fwd: Re: Code Red 2 infecting one of your systems] Message-ID: |Anybody hear of a new worm based on Code Red? This guy that I am talking |to seems to think so. |Dave Here's an e-mail I got about 1.5 weeks ago. Hope it helps. Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 -----Original Message----- From: SecurityAlert@bdcimail.com [mailto:SecurityAlert@bdcimail.com] Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 2:09 PM To: jspinti@dart.dartdist.com Subject: ALERT From InfoWorld: Code Blue deemed bigger threat than Code Red ======================================================== INFOWORLD ALERT: SECURITY ======================================================== Friday, September 7, 2001 CODE BLUE DEEMED BIGGER THREAT THAN CODE RED September 07, 2001 11:24 AM CHINESE ANTI-VIRUS RESEARCHERS have uncovered a modified variant of the Code Red worm, dubbed Code Blue, that has the potential to cause more damage to users of Microsoft Windows NT and Windows 2000 than earlier Code Red variants, according to a statement released Friday by Beijing-based software vendor Kingsoft. 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This message was sent to: jspinti@dartdist.com From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Sep 18 10:02:05 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Worm based on Code Red? [Fwd: Re: Code Red 2 infecting one ofyour systems] In-Reply-To: <1000824446.1007.47.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> References: <1000824446.1007.47.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> Message-ID: <20010918100205.372a4b33.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Dave Sherman wrote: > > Anybody hear of a new worm based on Code Red? This guy that I am talking > to seems to think so. Yes, I just got two copies this morning. It appears to be pretty insidious, spreading like Code Red, but also over e-mail. It may spread over SMB shares as well. Looks like it also wreaks hell on the registry This is just a quick analysis using `strings'. It's entirely possible that portions of it don't work. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ "Every time I've built / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ character, I've \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) regretted it." [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010918/3dbd4e72/attachment.pgp From doug at northlandstudios.com Tue Sep 18 10:07:23 2001 From: doug at northlandstudios.com (Doug) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Worm based on Code Red? [Fwd: Re: Code Red 2 infecting one of your systems] In-Reply-To: <1000824446.1007.47.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> Message-ID: We are seeing it here too. It looks like it's just looking for compromised machines... -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Dave Sherman Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 9:47 AM To: TC-LUG Subject: [TCLUG] New Worm based on Code Red? [Fwd: Re: Code Red 2 infecting one of your systems] Anybody hear of a new worm based on Code Red? This guy that I am talking to seems to think so. Dave Forwarded message: > Some of this looks to be possibly a new worm that is making the rounds. I > will have one of my staff contact the owner of the server to see if they can > shut this down. > > On 18 Sep 2001, Dave Sherman wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I am not one of your customers, but I run a website, and I have noticed > > that one of your hosts is scanning me for the Code Red 2 trojan. This is > > rather annoying, considering how long it has been since Code Red first > > appeared. I have included portions of my Apache logs for your > > convenience. I am located in Minneapolis, MN (Central Standard Time). > > You may reach me at dsherman@real-time.com > > > > Thank you for your prompt assistance, > > Dave Sherman > > > > SNIPPET FROM ERROR LOG: > > [Tue Sep 18 08:58:39 2001] [error] [client 208.20.99.1] File does not > > exist: /home/httpd/html/scripts/../../winnt/system32/cmd.exe > > [Tue Sep 18 08:58:39 2001] [error] [client 208.20.99.1] File does not > > exist: /home/httpd/html/scripts/..?../winnt/system32/cmd.exe > > [Tue Sep 18 08:58:41 2001] [error] [client 208.20.99.1] File does not > > exist: /home/httpd/html/scripts/..%5c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe > > > > SNIPPET FROM ACCESS LOG: > > 208.20.99.1 - - [18/Sep/2001:08:58:41 -0500] "GET > > /scripts/..%25%35%63../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 232 > > 208.20.99.1 - - [18/Sep/2001:08:58:41 -0500] "GET > > /scripts/..%252f../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 232 > > From dsherman at real-time.com Tue Sep 18 10:18:24 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:09 2005 Subject: FW: [TCLUG] New Worm based on Code Red? [Fwd: Re: Code Red 2 infecting one of your systems] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1000826310.1007.65.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> On Tue, 2001-09-18 at 10:02, James Spinti wrote: > |Anybody hear of a new worm based on Code Red? This guy that I am talking > |to seems to think so. > > |Dave > Here's an e-mail I got about 1.5 weeks ago. Hope it helps. > > Thanks, > > James Spinti > jspinti at dartdist.com > 952-368-3278 x396 > fax 952-368-3255 Interesting. Thanks for the info, James. Dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010918/71daccbd/attachment.pgp From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Sep 18 10:23:00 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Worm based on Code Red? [Fwd: Re: Code Red 2 infecting one of your systems] In-Reply-To: <1000824446.1007.47.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> Message-ID: On 18 Sep 2001, Dave Sherman wrote: > Anybody hear of a new worm based on Code Red? This guy that I am talking > to seems to think so. /. just posted it: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/09/18/151203&mode=thread From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Sep 18 10:32:19 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Worm based on Code Red? [Fwd: Re: Code Red 2 infecting one ofyour systems] In-Reply-To: <20010918100205.372a4b33.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> References: <1000824446.1007.47.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> <20010918100205.372a4b33.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010918103219.4e542039.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Mike Hicks wrote: > > Dave Sherman wrote: > > > > Anybody hear of a new worm based on Code Red? This guy that I am > > talking to seems to think so. > > Yes, I just got two copies this morning. Actually, I should be more careful about what I say. It doesn't actually follow the signature of Code Red, which will GET default.ida?XXXX... or default.ida?NNNN... This one appears to use other vulnerabilities, but to the same effect. Are IIS updates available through http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/ ? They really should be, if they aren't.. If you run a Windows box, you should visit there every week. If you run a Windows server, visit every day. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I do not fear computers. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ I fear the lack of them. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010918104701.29414d24.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Brian wrote: > > > Holy Shit!!! > > As I posted my last message to the list I was tweaking my Code Red page > to also grep -c access_log for cmd.exe. The counter was at 507 when I > wrote the script, two minutes later it was at 535. This thing is still > in it's infancy too... prepare for DDoS's :-) > > Hmm.. got 15 while I was writing this. Keep in mind I'm on an @home > network so these numbers could be inflated if it's similar to CR2. Note that the worm tries 16 different URLs at a time. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I have an inferiority / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ complex. But it's not a \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) very good one. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: mthoren.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 282 bytes Desc: Card for Matt Thoren Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010918/cf514c8c/mthoren.vcf From dave at droyer.org Tue Sep 18 11:01:46 2001 From: dave at droyer.org (Dave Royer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Worm based on Code Red? In-Reply-To: <1000824446.1007.47.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> References: <1000824446.1007.47.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> Message-ID: <1000828907.1263.4.camel@merlin> Here is an alert sent to the NTBugTraq list. I've got snort running on my boxen at home and it has been screaming since 8:00 this morning. I am already having trouble connecting to the boxes at home due to all the traffic. Dave Royer -----Original Message----- From: Russ [mailto:Russ.Cooper@RC.ON.CA] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 10:21 AM To: NTBUGTRAQ@LISTSERV.NTBUGTRAQ.COM Subject: Alert: Some sort of IIS worm seems to be propagating -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- There have been numerous reports of IIS attacks being generated by machines over a broad range of IP addresses. These "infected" machines are using a wide variety of attacks which attempt to exploit already known and patched vulnerabilities against IIS. It appears that the attacks can come both from email and from the network. A new worm, being called w32.nimda.amm, is being sent around. The attachment is called README.EXE and comes as a MIME-type of "audio/x-wav" together with some html parts. There appears to be no text in this message when it is displayed by Outlook when in Auto-Preview mode (always a good indication there's something not quite right with an email.) The network attacks against IIS boxes are a wide variety of attacks. Amongst them appear to be several attacks that assume the machine is compromised by Code Red II (looking for ROOT.EXE in the /scripts and /msadc directory, as well as an attempt to use the /c and /d virtual roots to get to CMD.EXE). Further, it attempts to exploit numerous other known IIS vulnerabilities. One thing to note is the attempt to execute TFTP.EXE to download a file called ADMIN.DLL from (presumably) some previously compromised box. Anyone who discovers a compromised machine (a machine with ADMIN.DLL in the /scripts directory), please forward me a copy of that .dll ASAP. Also, look for TFTP traffic (UDP69). As a safeguard, consider doing the following; edit %systemroot/system32/drivers/etc/services. change the line; tftp 69/udp to; tftp 0/udp thereby disabling the TFTP client. W2K has TFTP.EXE protected by Windows File Protection so can't be removed. More information as it arises. Cheers, Russ - Surgeon General of TruSecure Corporation/NTBugtraq Editor -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.2 iQCVAwUBO6dmcRBh2Kw/l7p5AQHJCgQA1JHwqF5RjJX+QVMMDUChVqn6yReQXqEH Tm8Ujms5+6ia0tcT1qmZWJV48eHYNzV3+AyyO6Gn8ds/NVYJUupDHB1Yy1DY/po6 iycY2qnARDJP6KNmHI0bAdBUBtsnVo5P9itElIoqKbAorQjamKI2eqd4TdE0yfIO hSW7yN2lhJc= =YAwc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From natecars at real-time.com Tue Sep 18 11:41:21 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Worm based on Code Red? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Sep 2001, Brian wrote: > As I posted my last message to the list I was tweaking my Code Red page to > also grep -c access_log for cmd.exe. The counter was at 507 when I wrote > the script, two minutes later it was at 535. This thing is still in it's > infancy too... prepare for DDoS's :-) > > Hmm.. got 15 while I was writing this. Keep in mind I'm on an @home > network so these numbers could be inflated if it's similar to CR2. Our traffic is running about 5% higher than usual for this time of day.. nothing noticable yet. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Tue Sep 18 12:01:34 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Worm based on Code Red? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Sep 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > Our traffic is running about 5% higher than usual for this time of day.. > nothing noticable yet. from today's logs (got rotated this morning), on my personal box: [natecars@conformity natecars]$ cat /var/log/syslog | grep "WEB-IIS" | wc -l 4631 [natecars@conformity natecars]$ cat /var/log/syslog | grep "cmd.exe" | wc -l 2175 nice! -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Sep 18 12:09:43 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Worm based on Code Red? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDED1@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> The worm is called Nimba, it's not based on Code Red. It spreads 4 different ways: 1. Via email, like SirCam. Attachment called readme.exe is given a wav mimetype which attempts to open Windows Media player. Outlook will still ask you if you want to open it, but when WMP comes up, users are more likely to say yes and open it. 2. Via Network shares. It tries to find open network shares and copy itself to other machines on the network. 3. Via IIS vulnerabilities (ala Code Red). Scans for 16 different vulnerabilities which will allow it to copy itself onto the webserver. It also appears to be much more aggressive in scanning for vulnerable machines than code red was. 4. Via the eml vulnerability in IE versions prior to 6.0 (very few have upgraded to 6.0). If a webserver has Nimba, it will append a nice piece of javascript to the end of every web page served which will open an EML file which will infect the machine viewing the web page. There is no dialog, it just opens. This bug was discovered by George Guninski about a month or so ago, and is apparently fixed in IE 6.0. So IE users can get the virus just by visiting a page on an infected IIS server. This one is going to be much worse than code red ever was. It plays on user stupidity, administrator laziness, and the fun autoexecute abilities of IE. Plus, I'm sure there will be some variants which further refine the way it spreads. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Royer [mailto:dave@droyer.org] > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 11:02 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] New Worm based on Code Red? > > > Here is an alert sent to the NTBugTraq list. > > I've got snort running on my boxen at home and it has been > screaming since > 8:00 this morning. I am already having trouble connecting to > the boxes at > home due to all the traffic. > > Dave Royer > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Russ [mailto:Russ.Cooper@RC.ON.CA] > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 10:21 AM > To: NTBUGTRAQ@LISTSERV.NTBUGTRAQ.COM > Subject: Alert: Some sort of IIS worm seems to be propagating > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > There have been numerous reports of IIS attacks being > generated by machines over a broad range of IP addresses. > These "infected" machines are using a wide variety of attacks > which attempt to exploit already known and patched > vulnerabilities against IIS. > > It appears that the attacks can come both from email and from > the network. > > A new worm, being called w32.nimda.amm, is being sent around. > The attachment is called README.EXE and comes as a MIME-type > of "audio/x-wav" together with some html parts. There appears > to be no text in this message when it is displayed by Outlook > when in Auto-Preview mode (always a good indication there's > something not quite right with an email.) > > The network attacks against IIS boxes are a wide variety of > attacks. Amongst them appear to be several attacks that > assume the machine is compromised by Code Red II (looking for > ROOT.EXE in the /scripts and /msadc directory, as well as an > attempt to use the /c and /d virtual roots to get to > CMD.EXE). Further, it attempts to exploit numerous other > known IIS vulnerabilities. > > One thing to note is the attempt to execute TFTP.EXE to > download a file called ADMIN.DLL from (presumably) some > previously compromised box. > > Anyone who discovers a compromised machine (a machine with > ADMIN.DLL in the /scripts directory), please forward me a > copy of that .dll ASAP. > > Also, look for TFTP traffic (UDP69). As a safeguard, consider > doing the following; > > edit %systemroot/system32/drivers/etc/services. > > change the line; > > tftp 69/udp > > to; > > tftp 0/udp > > thereby disabling the TFTP client. W2K has TFTP.EXE protected > by Windows File Protection so can't be removed. > > More information as it arises. > > Cheers, > Russ - Surgeon General of TruSecure Corporation/NTBugtraq Editor > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.2 > > iQCVAwUBO6dmcRBh2Kw/l7p5AQHJCgQA1JHwqF5RjJX+QVMMDUChVqn6yReQXqEH > Tm8Ujms5+6ia0tcT1qmZWJV48eHYNzV3+AyyO6Gn8ds/NVYJUupDHB1Yy1DY/po6 > iycY2qnARDJP6KNmHI0bAdBUBtsnVo5P9itElIoqKbAorQjamKI2eqd4TdE0yfIO > hSW7yN2lhJc= > =YAwc > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From duncan at sodatrain.com Tue Sep 18 12:10:42 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Worm based on Code Red? References: <20010918104701.29414d24.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3BA78012.1070902@sodatrain.com> Here are some stats from my site... this is for the month of september, mostly today. Should give you an idea of what the requests are, and how frequently you will see them. Code 404 Not Found Requests Total Requests Bytes sent | URL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 674 16.64% 185350 2.21% | /default.ida 283 6.99% 85466 1.02% | /scripts/..%5c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe 149 3.68% 41422 0.49% | /MSADC/root.exe 149 3.68% 41720 0.50% | /scripts/root.exe 148 3.65% 42624 0.51% | /c/winnt/system32/cmd.exe 147 3.63% 42336 0.51% | /d/winnt/system32/cmd.exe 143 3.53% 47905 0.57% | /msadc/..%5c../..%5c../..%5c/..^^\../..^^\../..^^\../winnt/system32/cmd.exe 142 3.51% 45298 0.54% | /_mem_bin/..%5c../..%5c../..%5c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe 142 3.51% 42742 0.51% | /scripts/..^^\../winnt/system32/cmd.exe 141 3.48% 42441 0.51% | /scripts/..^ From ali at packetknife.com Tue Sep 18 12:12:22 2001 From: ali at packetknife.com (Ali-Reza Anghaie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Worm based on Code Red? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Sep 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > Our traffic is running about 5% higher than usual for this time of day.. > nothing noticable yet. I'm getting the tar beat out of me... black-holling routes as neccesary. { sigh... } Speakeasy is looking into it... but it appears to be spreading just not at the same rate (thankfully), -Ali -- Key 53F7FF5F -- 6662 5087 119D 8D18 8501 8A8D C583 97B6 53F7 FF5F -- War is delightful to those who have had no experience of it. -- Desiderius Erasmus From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Sep 18 12:17:46 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Worm based on Code Red? In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDED1@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Sep 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > The worm is called Nimba, it's not based on Code Red. It spreads 4 > different ways: Jay, that was a nice write-up. Does anyone know if this thing is crashing Cisco DSL modems again? -Brian From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Tue Sep 18 12:21:13 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Worm based on Code Red? In-Reply-To: References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDED1@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010918122113.A6321@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 12:17:46PM -0500, Brian wrote: > On Tue, 18 Sep 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > The worm is called Nimba, it's not based on Code Red. It spreads 4 > > different ways: > > Jay, that was a nice write-up. Does anyone know if this thing is crashing > Cisco DSL modems again? Shouldn't be crashing them since it doesn't use a Code Red style buffer overflow (no lines full of "NNNN" or "XXXX" in the requests). -- Jim Crumley | Free Dmitry Sklyarov! crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | http://freesklyarov.org/ Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From sraun at fireopal.org Tue Sep 18 12:24:42 2001 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Worm based on Code Red? In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDED1@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDED1@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010918122441.B2798@iaxs.net> On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 12:09:43PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > The worm is called Nimba, it's not based on Code Red. It spreads 4 > different ways: > > > > 4. Via the eml vulnerability in IE versions prior to 6.0 (very few have > upgraded to 6.0). If a webserver has Nimba, it will append a nice piece of > javascript to the end of every web page served which will open an EML file > which will infect the machine viewing the web page. There is no dialog, it > just opens. This bug was discovered by George Guninski about a month or so > ago, and is apparently fixed in IE 6.0. So IE users can get the virus just > by visiting a page on an infected IIS server. Can you provide a link to a write-up on what exactly this item is going to do to an end-user PC? As of about two hours ago, Symantec views it as a low-damage, high-distribution virus, one that is, overall, a low threat. McAfee doesn't seem to know about it at all! -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From thomas at stderr.net Tue Sep 18 12:27:30 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Worm based on Code Red? In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 12:01:34PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010918192730.O1943@io.stderr.net> On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 12:01:34PM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Tue, 18 Sep 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > > Our traffic is running about 5% higher than usual for this time of day.. > > nothing noticable yet. > > from today's logs (got rotated this morning), on my personal box: > > [natecars@conformity natecars]$ cat /var/log/syslog | grep "WEB-IIS" | wc -l > 4631 > [natecars@conformity natecars]$ cat /var/log/syslog | grep "cmd.exe" | wc -l > 2175 What's the WEB-IIS? Or did I just miss something? -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From natecars at real-time.com Tue Sep 18 12:43:23 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Worm based on Code Red? In-Reply-To: <20010918122113.A6321@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Sep 2001, Jim Crumley wrote: > Shouldn't be crashing them since it doesn't use a Code Red style > buffer overflow (no lines full of "NNNN" or "XXXX" in the > requests). actually, it still does pass a ? in the url's, so yeah, it could crash the cisco's. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Tue Sep 18 12:43:46 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Worm based on Code Red? In-Reply-To: <20010918192730.O1943@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Sep 2001, Thomas Eibner wrote: > What's the WEB-IIS? Or did I just miss something? that's what the snort rules i use call the .ida vulnerabilities.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Tue Sep 18 12:44:11 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Worm based on Code Red? In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDED1@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Sep 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > 4. Via the eml vulnerability in IE versions prior to 6.0 (very few have > upgraded to 6.0). If a webserver has Nimba, it will append a nice piece of > javascript to the end of every web page served which will open an EML file > which will infect the machine viewing the web page. There is no dialog, it > just opens. This bug was discovered by George Guninski about a month or so > ago, and is apparently fixed in IE 6.0. So IE users can get the virus just > by visiting a page on an infected IIS server. Anyone know if the newest critical updates fix this? (VNC'ing to boxes at home to make sure they are all up-to-date.. heh) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From chuckeal at mediaone.net Tue Sep 18 12:43:30 2001 From: chuckeal at mediaone.net (Chuck Licha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: KVM Message-ID: <01091812433000.01063@localhost.localdomain> You might want to check out Hawking Technologies. The four port I am using was $90.00 It appears to be the older Belkin model. Chuck Licha From phil at rephil.org Tue Sep 18 12:49:22 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (phil@rephil.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] firmware update on an alpha In-Reply-To: <3BA76CE9.9842FE5@mttcc.com>; from mthoren@mttcc.com on Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 10:48:57AM -0500 References: <3BA76CE9.9842FE5@mttcc.com> Message-ID: <20010918124922.A26889@rephil.org> On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 10:48:57AM -0500, Matt Thoren wrote: > I am wondering if anyone has experience with loading firmware on an > alpha 800 > > I get to the bios, have downloaded the firmware update to cdrom, but the > upgrade to > for the alpha won't detect the firmware on the cd. > > Any help would be appreciated. Not on an 800 specifically, but on an XL300 and AlphaStation 4/100. I recall that you have to be careful that the firmware gets the correct name. When you say firmware, are you trying to upgrade PALcode or the console monitor? There is no "BIOS" per se -- it's a _real_ ;) computer. That said, there are three different consoles, ARC, SRM, and "AlphaBIOS" (intended for machines running NT). SRM is for running VMS, but ARC or AlphaBIOS should work for Linux. You may need to update the console software before you can load the correct PALcode, but I haven't re-booted my Debian Alpha machine in so long that I forgot if PALcode is loaded in the bootstrap loader, or if it's firmware. If you need help changing the console software, I've done that before on trickier machines, but think that the 800 is an easy one. I have the Digital/(Compaq) firmware CD-ROM -- think it's got the latest greatest for an 800 -- if you want to borrow it or bring your box over. Let me know if I can be of help. Best, Phil Mendelsohn -- I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. From kethatwork at yahoo.com Tue Sep 18 08:52:10 2001 From: kethatwork at yahoo.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lotus Notes/Domino Development and Admin under linux!!!! Message-ID: <20010918135210.10821.qmail@web11001.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, all, this is probably old hat to some of you - but to others who have heard me gripe about the fact that there is no design client for Lotus Notes for linux, well...I was researching an issue, and came across www.jagre.com - and they've been working on porting their notes/domino design/admin environment to linux. Check it out! Yay! Take care, Liz __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Sep 18 13:30:56 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Worm based on Code Red? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDED2@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> http://www.centralcommand.com has a small write up of what it does to your machine (where it puts files, etc.). Most of the other info I grabbed from the NANOG list. It doesn't look like it destroys things on your system, it's only purpose is to propagate. > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Raun [mailto:sraun@fireopal.org] > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 12:25 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] New Worm based on Code Red? > > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 12:09:43PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > > The worm is called Nimba, it's not based on Code Red. It spreads 4 > > different ways: > > > > > > > > 4. Via the eml vulnerability in IE versions prior to 6.0 (very few > > have upgraded to 6.0). If a webserver has Nimba, it will append a > > nice piece of javascript to the end of every web page served which > > will open an EML file which will infect the machine viewing the web > > page. There is no dialog, it just opens. This bug was > discovered by > > George Guninski about a month or so ago, and is apparently > fixed in IE > > 6.0. So IE users can get the virus just by visiting a page > on an infected IIS server. > > Can you provide a link to a write-up on what exactly this > item is going to do to an end-user PC? > > As of about two hours ago, Symantec views it as a low-damage, > high-distribution virus, one that is, overall, a low threat. > McAfee doesn't seem to know about it at all! > > -- > Scott Raun > sraun@fireopal.org _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From fertch at mninter.net Tue Sep 18 13:35:30 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] firmware update on an alpha In-Reply-To: <3BA76CE9.9842FE5@mttcc.com> References: <3BA76CE9.9842FE5@mttcc.com> Message-ID: <01091813353001.07297@bleys> On Tuesday 18 September 2001 10:48, Matt Thoren wrote: > I am wondering if anyone has experience with loading firmware on an > alpha 800 > > I get to the bios, have downloaded the firmware update to cdrom, but the > upgrade to > for the alpha won't detect the firmware on the cd. > > Any help would be appreciated. -- Not exactly. But I read that you have to be very careful with these depending upong the platform you are running. I have about 5 Alpha systems I administer at work, and will need to do firmware updates soon as well. --- Shawn "Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do." -Bruce Lee From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Sep 18 13:53:09 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Worm based on Code Red? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Sep 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > Anyone know if the newest critical updates fix this? Apparently this is a known bug that's been around for awhile, I'm assuming since MS knew enough about it to remove it from IE6 they've had a patch for it on IE5. -Brian From tanner at real-time.com Tue Sep 18 13:54:23 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BugTraq vs NTBugTraq Message-ID: <20010918135423.U30494@real-time.com> I'm subscribed to BugTraq only, don't all of the incidents in NTBugTraq make it into BugTraq? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Sep 18 14:04:39 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BugTraq vs NTBugTraq Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDED3@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> I don't think so. If you want EVERYTHING, you need to get NTBugTraq also. > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 1:54 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] BugTraq vs NTBugTraq > > > I'm subscribed to BugTraq only, don't all of the incidents in > NTBugTraq make it into BugTraq? > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From chrome at real-time.com Tue Sep 18 14:28:23 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DNS problem? In-Reply-To: <1000820573.1006.25.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org>; from dsherman@real-time.com on Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 08:42:48AM -0500 References: <007601c14038$c69c41c0$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> <1000820573.1006.25.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> Message-ID: <20010918142818.U4504@real-time.com> > It definitely sounds like a DNS issue. Verify that the IP addresses you > are using are correct, and see if you can ping those addresses (to make > sure the servers are up, although DNS may still be broken on them even > if they respond to a ping). the simple way to check if there's a DNS server at least listening; is to telnet to port 53. chrome@steel:~$ telnet 65.193.16.1 53 Trying 65.193.16.1... Connected to 65.193.16.1. Escape character is '^]'. looks like Real-Time's DNS server is working. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Tue Sep 18 14:30:25 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ramdisk errors In-Reply-To: <01091809261800.00505@bleys>; from fertch@mninter.net on Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 09:26:18AM -0500 References: <01091710151901.00498@bleys> <20010917194835.C1460@real-time.com> <01091809261800.00505@bleys> Message-ID: <20010918143025.V4504@real-time.com> > How would one go about determining if it is or not? I don't think I have the > hardware manuals. using the Mark1 Eyeball is probably the simplest way. if they don't look like PCI or ISA slots; they're probably Microchannel. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Sep 18 14:39:26 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DNS problem? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDED4@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Also, make sure your firewall is allowing those packets through. DNS only uses TCP for zone transfers and some large records. Otherwise it uses 53/UDP. > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom [mailto:chrome@real-time.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 2:28 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DNS problem? > > > > It definitely sounds like a DNS issue. Verify that the IP addresses > > you are using are correct, and see if you can ping those > addresses (to > > make sure the servers are up, although DNS may still be > broken on them > > even if they respond to a ping). > > the simple way to check if there's a DNS server at least > listening; is to telnet to port 53. > > chrome@steel:~$ telnet 65.193.16.1 53 > Trying 65.193.16.1... > Connected to 65.193.16.1. > Escape character is '^]'. > > looks like Real-Time's DNS server is working. :) > > Carl Soderstrom > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From fertch at mninter.net Tue Sep 18 14:58:37 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ramdisk errors In-Reply-To: <20010918143025.V4504@real-time.com> References: <01091710151901.00498@bleys> <01091809261800.00505@bleys> <20010918143025.V4504@real-time.com> Message-ID: <01091814583700.10410@bleys> On Tuesday 18 September 2001 14:30, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > How would one go about determining if it is or not? I don't think I have > > the hardware manuals. > > using the Mark1 Eyeball is probably the simplest way. if they don't look > like PCI or ISA slots; they're probably Microchannel. > > Carl Soderstrom -- SCSI is built into the board. The only cards in there are the processor, RAM and NIC. Video and SCSI are built into the mainboard. --- Shawn "Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do." -Bruce Lee From fertch at mninter.net Tue Sep 18 15:04:02 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIS question Message-ID: <01091815040201.10410@bleys> Anyone familiar enough with NIS on this? At work we have varying *nix platforms: Solaris (2.4, 2.6, 8) HP-UX to 11 AIX 4.3.2 and 4.3.3 some older versions well I believe Tru64 4.0D, 4.0F, 5.1 Linux SCO A few others I'm certain of Will NIS work cross platfoms, as well as being able to exclude certain servers to which the person shouldn't have access to? Someone was looking into it months ago, and said that it would not work because of the various *nix platforms we run. -- --- Shawn "Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do." -Bruce Lee From gabe at msi.umn.edu Tue Sep 18 15:33:15 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIS question In-Reply-To: <01091815040201.10410@bleys>; from fertch@mninter.net on Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 03:04:02PM -0500 References: <01091815040201.10410@bleys> Message-ID: <20010918153315.B17203@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 03:04:02PM -0500, Shawn Fertch wrote: > Anyone familiar enough with NIS on this? > > At work we have varying *nix platforms: > > Solaris (2.4, 2.6, 8) > HP-UX to 11 > AIX 4.3.2 and 4.3.3 some older versions well I believe > Tru64 4.0D, 4.0F, 5.1 > Linux > SCO > A few others I'm certain of > > Will NIS work cross platfoms, as well as being able to exclude certain > servers to which the person shouldn't have access to? Someone was looking > into it months ago, and said that it would not work because of the various > *nix platforms we run. I've used NIS for many years, but not on all the platforms that you've mentioned. I know for sure that the NIS will work on a network with Linux, Solaris, Irix, AIX, HP-UX, Tru64. That's covers you for everything but SCO. I've never used SCO. Gabe -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From nate at techie.com Tue Sep 18 15:46:39 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DNS problem? In-Reply-To: <20010918142818.U4504@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 02:28:23PM -0500 References: <007601c14038$c69c41c0$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> <1000820573.1006.25.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> <20010918142818.U4504@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010918154639.A12553@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 02:28:23PM -0500, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > the simple way to check if there's a DNS server at least listening; is to > telnet to port 53. That may work for DNS servers that are allowing zone transfers, but most of DNS is run using UDP. How do you telnet to a UDP port? You don't. You could use dig and specify the server like so: # dig @1.2.3.4 host A Nate From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Sep 18 16:18:01 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ramdisk errors In-Reply-To: <20010918143025.V4504@real-time.com> References: <01091710151901.00498@bleys> <20010917194835.C1460@real-time.com> <01091809261800.00505@bleys> <20010918143025.V4504@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010918161801.49038dbd.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > How would one go about determining if it is or not? I don't think I > > have the hardware manuals. > > using the Mark1 Eyeball is probably the simplest way. if they don't look > like PCI or ISA slots; they're probably Microchannel. Also, IIRC, microchannel slots are usually brown. I think the VESA local bus slots used one kind of microchannel slot, and just tacked it onto the end of an ISA. Of course, EISA slots are brown too, but microchannel computers usually had a variety of different slots where ISA cards couldn't fit in. EISA slots look mostly the same as ISA, just a different color.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I think I've forgotten / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ this before. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Someone was > looking into it months ago, and said that it would not work because of the > various *nix platforms we run. I would think it'd work, but you have to be somewhat wary about the data that gets transferred.. One big problem these days is that Linux uses more complex password hashes than most other Unix variants (save for the *BSDs). You'll probably have to go to the least common denominator and use standard crypt()ed passwords. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ 2400 bps used to seem so / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ fast \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From chrome at real-time.com Tue Sep 18 17:25:19 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DNS problem? In-Reply-To: <20010918154639.A12553@candle.mn.mediaone.net>; from nate@techie.com on Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 03:46:39PM -0500 References: <007601c14038$c69c41c0$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> <1000820573.1006.25.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> <20010918142818.U4504@real-time.com> <20010918154639.A12553@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20010918172519.G6036@real-time.com> > That may work for DNS servers that are allowing zone transfers, but most > of DNS is run using UDP. How do you telnet to a UDP port? You don't. true. good point. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Tue Sep 18 17:26:59 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ramdisk errors In-Reply-To: <01091814583700.10410@bleys>; from fertch@mninter.net on Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 02:58:37PM -0500 References: <01091710151901.00498@bleys> <01091809261800.00505@bleys> <20010918143025.V4504@real-time.com> <01091814583700.10410@bleys> Message-ID: <20010918172659.H6036@real-time.com> > SCSI is built into the board. The only cards in there are the processor, RAM > and NIC. Video and SCSI are built into the mainboard. bring it to an Installfest. that way we can have several people scratching their heads over it. :) Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From natecars at real-time.com Tue Sep 18 17:36:31 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Worm based on Code Red? In-Reply-To: <3BA7CA3E.6080206@haxxed.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Sep 2001, Callum Lerwick wrote: > I thought the bug happened on *any* GET of a nonexistant page no matter > how long or short? Crashes with any string with a question mark in it. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From josh at greentechnologist.org Tue Sep 18 17:44:38 2001 From: josh at greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DNS problem? In-Reply-To: <20010918154639.A12553@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: Oh so DNS only uses TCP for zone transfers? I wondered about that. Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free speech is simply staggering." - Paul Cantrell, St Paul area software developer On Tue, 18 Sep 2001, Nate Straz wrote: > On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 02:28:23PM -0500, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > the simple way to check if there's a DNS server at least listening; is to > > telnet to port 53. > > That may work for DNS servers that are allowing zone transfers, but most > of DNS is run using UDP. How do you telnet to a UDP port? You don't. > > You could use dig and specify the server like so: > > # dig @1.2.3.4 host A > > Nate > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Tue Sep 18 14:43:52 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ramdisk errors Message-ID: Oh, as a general rule, if there is only one "different" one, it might be a VESA slot (aah, the old version of AGP ;-). If there are more, they may be EISA slots, but on either there will probably be ISA slots on the board too. I don't think that is the case with Microchannel boards. This is just of the top of my head, so I could be wrong. Am I? >>> chrome@real-time.com 09/18/01 02:30PM >>> > How would one go about determining if it is or not? I don't think I have the > hardware manuals. using the Mark1 Eyeball is probably the simplest way. if they don't look like PCI or ISA slots; they're probably Microchannel. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Tue Sep 18 18:27:11 2001 From: list at slushpupie.com (list@slushpupie.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIS question Message-ID: <20010918232711.27748.qmail@dogbert.slushpupie.com> Although I never configured it myself, my office has all of the Unix\'s you mentioned running on the same NIS/NFS system. On 09-18-2001 04:22 pm, you wrote: > Shawn Fertch wrote: > > > > Anyone familiar enough with NIS on this? > > > > At work we have varying *nix platforms: > > > > Solaris (2.4, 2.6, 8) > > HP-UX to 11 > > AIX 4.3.2 and 4.3.3 some older versions well I believe > > Tru64 4.0D, 4.0F, 5.1 > > Linux > > SCO > > A few others I\'m certain of > > > > Will NIS work cross platfoms, as well as being able to exclude certain > > servers to which the person shouldn\'t have access to? Someone was > > looking into it months ago, and said that it would not work because of > the > > various *nix platforms we run. > > I would think it\'d work, but you have to be somewhat wary about the data > that gets transferred.. One big problem these days is that Linux uses > more complex password hashes than most other Unix variants (save for the > *BSDs). You\'ll probably have to go to the least common denominator and > use standard crypt()ed passwords. > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ 2400 bps used to seem so > / \\/ \\(_)| \' // ._\\ / - \\(_)/ ./| \' /(__ fast > \\_||_/|_||_|_\\\\___/ \\_-_/|_|\\__\\|_|_\\ __) > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > > From gabe at msi.umn.edu Tue Sep 18 18:43:42 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIS question In-Reply-To: <20010918162244.6ff17e3e.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 04:22:44PM -0500 References: <01091815040201.10410@bleys> <20010918162244.6ff17e3e.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010918184342.A17753@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 04:22:44PM -0500, Mike Hicks wrote: > Shawn Fertch wrote: > > > > Anyone familiar enough with NIS on this? > > > > At work we have varying *nix platforms: > > > > Solaris (2.4, 2.6, 8) > > HP-UX to 11 > > AIX 4.3.2 and 4.3.3 some older versions well I believe > > Tru64 4.0D, 4.0F, 5.1 > > Linux > > SCO > > A few others I'm certain of > > > > Will NIS work cross platfoms, as well as being able to exclude certain > > servers to which the person shouldn't have access to? Someone was > > looking into it months ago, and said that it would not work because of > the > > various *nix platforms we run. > > I would think it'd work, but you have to be somewhat wary about the data > that gets transferred.. One big problem these days is that Linux uses > more complex password hashes than most other Unix variants (save for the > *BSDs). You'll probably have to go to the least common denominator and > use standard crypt()ed passwords. Mike's right. Linux is the only platform of those you mentioned that has special requirements. If your NIS master is a Linux box, you'll need to modify /etc/login.defs and tell it _not_ to encrypt passwords in MD5. (Though, this is RedHat specific - I'm not sure what you'd need to do to get other distros to not use MD5). Also, you'll have to keep it from using a shadow map as all the other platforms don't support shadow passwords. If your NIS master is one of the other platforms, then you're fine. Linux will fall back to using standard crypt()ed passwords and a non-shadowed passwd map if that's what the master is using. To answer your other question - being able to exclude certain servers to which the person shouldn't have access to - this is simple with NIS. Basically, you create a netgroup only containing those who should be able to log into the restricted machines. Then, in /etc/passwd on those machines, you put something like +@admins::0:0:::: +::0:0::::/usr/local/etc/not_welcome at the end. This tells the system that those users in the 'admins' netgroup can log in, while all other users get assigned '/usr/local/etc/not_welcome' as their shell, and '/usr/local/etc/not_welcome' is a simple shell script like #!/bin/sh echo "" echo "" echo "This machine is not available for interactive use." echo "Please log into foo.bar.com." echo "" echo "" Hope this helps, Gabe -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net Tue Sep 18 18:44:47 2001 From: markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ramdisk errors References: <01091710151901.00498@bleys> <01091809261800.00505@bleys> <20010918143025.V4504@real-time.com> <01091814583700.10410@bleys> Message-ID: <004601c1409b$ea886380$1e02a8c0@zippy> try: http://www.pccomputernotes.com/system_bus/bus05.htm for some easy background on connectors and buses. Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn Fertch" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Ramdisk errors > On Tuesday 18 September 2001 14:30, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > How would one go about determining if it is or not? I don't think I have > > > the hardware manuals. > > > > using the Mark1 Eyeball is probably the simplest way. if they don't look > > like PCI or ISA slots; they're probably Microchannel. > > > > Carl Soderstrom > > -- > > SCSI is built into the board. The only cards in there are the processor, RAM > and NIC. Video and SCSI are built into the mainboard. > > --- > Shawn > > "Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do." > -Bruce Lee > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Sep 18 19:39:55 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIS question In-Reply-To: <01091815040201.10410@bleys> References: <01091815040201.10410@bleys> Message-ID: <20010918193955.P18850@ringworld.org> * Shawn Fertch [010918 15:06]: > Anyone familiar enough with NIS on this? If your setting this up now, I would go through the initial pain to see if Kerberos can be used for Auth. decisions instead of NIS. Use NIS for the other maps, however. (and passwd too, just dont put hashes in passwd) If your dealing with w2k, theres ways to keep the passwords between everything synced. Its pretty neato. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net "History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." - Justice Thurgood Marshall (1989) From jpschewe at mtu.net Tue Sep 18 21:28:57 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question about high memory systems Message-ID: I just maxed out my system at 1GB of RAM. When it boots the BIOS sees all the memory. When Linux starts I see: Memory: 899276k/917504k available (1482k kernel code, 17840k reserved, 535k data, 232k init, 0k highmem) This looks a little short, but I'm not sure, since I've never booted a Linux box with 1GB RAM. I've got High Memory Support turned off in the kernel because the help said between 1GB and 4 GB you answer 4GB. Did I pick wrong? Or is this set right and I'm just not going to see 104000K of memory? Thanks. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From thomas at stderr.net Tue Sep 18 21:35:46 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question about high memory systems In-Reply-To: ; from jpschewe@mtu.net on Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 09:28:57PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010919043546.B15461@io.stderr.net> On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 09:28:57PM -0500, Jon Schewe wrote: > I just maxed out my system at 1GB of RAM. When it boots the BIOS sees all the > memory. When Linux starts I see: > Memory: 899276k/917504k available (1482k kernel code, 17840k reserved, 535k data, 232k init, 0k highmem) > > This looks a little short, but I'm not sure, since I've never booted a Linux > box with 1GB RAM. I've got High Memory Support turned off in the kernel > because the help said between 1GB and 4 GB you answer 4GB. Did I pick wrong? > Or is this set right and I'm just not going to see 104000K of memory? I had to enable high memory support to get itto show the rest of the memory here too. (also 1GB). Now it looks like this: Memory: 1028128k/1048512k available (1419k kernel code, 19996k reserved, 518k data, 248k init, 131008k highmem) -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Sep 18 21:37:07 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question about high memory systems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey, On 18 Sep 2001, Jon Schewe wrote: > I just maxed out my system at 1GB of RAM. When it boots the BIOS sees all the > memory. When Linux starts I see: > Memory: 899276k/917504k available (1482k kernel code, 17840k reserved, 535k data, 232k init, 0k highmem) It should tell you right in the dmesg - enable high-memory support in the kernel and you'll be fine. As long as you're not dual-booting Windows <2000 on that box (and that includes Me). -Yaron -- From jack at jacku.com Tue Sep 18 22:09:31 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ramdisk errors In-Reply-To: <01091814583700.10410@bleys> References: <01091710151901.00498@bleys> <20010918143025.V4504@real-time.com> <01091814583700.10410@bleys> Message-ID: <01091822093101.01837@geezer> I haven't been following this thread that closely so what I'm about to say may be repetitous of other statements. Slots I have known... ISA - One section(8-Bit) or two section (16-bit) Main characteristic: wide contacts. Color -Usually Black VESA Local-Bus(VLB)- A 16-bit ISA slot with a small narrow contact section behind it. By necessity all VLB cards where "full length" at least along the contact edge. Color - "add-on" is usually brown. EISA - physically similar to a 16-bit ISA slot. (It had to support ISA cards) Main difference is the number of conacts. The contacts are about half the size of an ISA slot. Color - Black or Brown depending on maker. NOTE: All ISA derivitave slots are off center to the opening at the back of the case. MCA - Smaller off-center slot positioned to start about half way up the 8-bit portion of an ISA slot. In general if a system has MCA slots thats all it has. Mostly IBM systems (PS/2 Models 50, 60, 80, and some 70) Some other makers may have used MCA. Color-Usually brown PCI - Small centered slot. Design allows "sharing" of an opening with ISA slot. Only one can be used at a time. Color - Usually White. My memory's a little rusty on some of this so it may not be exactly correct. On Tuesday 18 September 2001 14:58, you wrote: > On Tuesday 18 September 2001 14:30, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > How would one go about determining if it is or not? I don't think I > > > have the hardware manuals. > > > > using the Mark1 Eyeball is probably the simplest way. if they don't look > > like PCI or ISA slots; they're probably Microchannel. > > > > Carl Soderstrom -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From jpschewe at mtu.net Tue Sep 18 22:17:23 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question about high memory systems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yaron writes: > Hey, > > On 18 Sep 2001, Jon Schewe wrote: > > > I just maxed out my system at 1GB of RAM. When it boots the BIOS sees all the > > memory. When Linux starts I see: > > Memory: 899276k/917504k available (1482k kernel code, 17840k reserved, 535k data, 232k init, 0k highmem) > > It should tell you right in the dmesg - enable high-memory support in the > kernel and you'll be fine. > > As long as you're not dual-booting Windows <2000 on that box (and that > includes Me). That's what I've got VMware for. Thanks. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Sep 18 22:24:32 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question about high memory systems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey, On 18 Sep 2001, Jon Schewe wrote: > That's what I've got VMware for. As soon as VMWare lets me use the Video Capture capabilities of my video card reliably, I'll be all over it. As it is I can use VMWare to encode video if I want it to be (A) Horribly slow, and (B) Lesser quality than under Windows, since I can't seem to get my video card's codecs to install under VMWare (ie, when the card isn't really there). I'd love to do this under Linux but I'm afraid there's no support for the card, and no good editing utilities/encoding utilities (at least one that I could find and get to work without the machine hanging). -Yaron -- From jkey at usa.net Tue Sep 18 22:19:44 2001 From: jkey at usa.net (Joseph Key) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Fwd: Apache & SSL].sdm References: <1000778812.16665.12.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> <20010918.3213700@linwin.mshome.net> <1000818640.1006.2.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> Message-ID: <00f301c140b9$f43ab4a0$0139a8c0@tomobiki.dyndns.org> What is apache complaining about on the ssl key and certificate files. You can also start apache with apachectl startssl to get the ssl started. I got my ssl working on apache after doing a lot of work on the key and certificate files. Joseph Key From dsherman at real-time.com Tue Sep 18 22:54:14 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Fwd: Apache & SSL].sdm In-Reply-To: <00f301c140b9$f43ab4a0$0139a8c0@tomobiki.dyndns.org> References: <1000778812.16665.12.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> <20010918.3213700@linwin.mshome.net> <1000818640.1006.2.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> <00f301c140b9$f43ab4a0$0139a8c0@tomobiki.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <1000871660.1088.1.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> On Tue, 2001-09-18 at 22:19, Joseph Key wrote: > What is apache complaining about on the ssl key and certificate files. You > can also start apache with apachectl startssl to get the ssl started. I got > my ssl working on apache after doing a lot of work on the key and > certificate files. Actually, I got it going this morning. Turned out to be a mistake in my configuration. Dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010918/323b2208/attachment.pgp From eng at pinenet.com Wed Sep 19 07:29:17 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux vs. terrorists Message-ID: <01C140DC.E77B8820.eng@pinenet.com> Please allow a digression. In 1974 I was an armed guard at NW Bell, downtown St. Paul. I was warned that if a terrorist struck, that was where. Seven floors of the building were relay switches giving off sparks when people dialed their phones. In the early eighties I joined the effort to promote an extended fiber optic communications grid that allowed "micro-computers" to communicate. Prof. Otto Schmitt (inventor of digital electronics at the U of M) added that such a communications grid would be immune from EMPs (electro-magnetic pulses) from nuclear weapons. Our modern communications grid is now largely very secure (except for M$ software) and efficient. Over the last decade (at least) I have promoted fuel cells and local fuels (methanol) with the same purpose. Our energy infrastructure is an open target. God help us if these monsters should hit a nuclear facility. Our political leadership is as protective of the status quo as it was of "super-computers" in the early eighties and is more a problem than the technology itself. Several fuel cell companies plan big boosts in manufacturing. Most publicity is focused on fuel cell cars. But the big, near term fuels cell market is stationary fuel cells for large buildings. Manufacturing plans are in the hundreds of thousands of fuel cells per year. Every large fuel cell will need a computer controller, as these are complex chemical and electric devices. Linux is an outstanding starting point for a fuel cell controller's software. I wish I could claim to be an expert at everything, or anything. I've gotten some outstanding leads from this (TCLUG) group. This winter I should have a better playground (laboratory) to try fine tune some controller software. Your ideas are appreciated. From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Sep 19 08:18:46 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tux-image Message-ID: I have never seen this before. Sorry if it was already here and I missed it... http://www.plainjoe.org/tux-image.html From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Wed Sep 19 07:48:25 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIS question In-Reply-To: <20010918184342.A17753@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> Message-ID: |Also, you'll have to keep it from using a shadow map as all the other |platforms don't support shadow passwords. I thought AIX did. I am looking at a 4.3.3 and 3.? machine. Both have ! in the passwd files and have the hash in /etc/security/passwd, with the security subdirectory restricted to the admin group. Or does that not count as shadowed, since it is still in a file called passwd? Not flamebait, just curious :) From fertch at mninter.net Wed Sep 19 08:37:49 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ramdisk errors In-Reply-To: <20010918172659.H6036@real-time.com> References: <01091710151901.00498@bleys> <01091814583700.10410@bleys> <20010918172659.H6036@real-time.com> Message-ID: <01091908374904.00513@bleys> On Tuesday 18 September 2001 17:26, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > SCSI is built into the board. The only cards in there are the processor, > > RAM and NIC. Video and SCSI are built into the mainboard. > > bring it to an Installfest. that way we can have several people scratching > their heads over it. :) -- Planning on it. However, WHEN is the next one? If it's in October, I'm unavailable the weekend of the 12th, as I will be out of town. Perhaps later in the month would be good? --- Shawn "Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do." -Bruce Lee From fertch at mninter.net Wed Sep 19 08:34:46 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ramdisk errors In-Reply-To: <20010918161801.49038dbd.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> References: <01091710151901.00498@bleys> <20010918143025.V4504@real-time.com> <20010918161801.49038dbd.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <01091908344603.00513@bleys> On Tuesday 18 September 2001 16:18, Mike Hicks wrote: > > using the Mark1 Eyeball is probably the simplest way. if they don't look > > like PCI or ISA slots; they're probably Microchannel. > > Also, IIRC, microchannel slots are usually brown. I think the VESA local > bus slots used one kind of microchannel slot, and just tacked it onto the > end of an ISA. > > Of course, EISA slots are brown too, but microchannel computers usually > had a variety of different slots where ISA cards couldn't fit in. EISA > slots look mostly the same as ISA, just a different color.. -- The slots that the machine have are similar to ISA, brown in color and have far more pin slots than a typical ISA. Very narrow connection spaces as well. --- Shawn "Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do." -Bruce Lee From Ben at WorksCited.Net Wed Sep 19 08:32:40 2001 From: Ben at WorksCited.Net (Ben Stallings) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Building an integrated Linux In-Reply-To: <20010918.35100@linwin.mshome.net> References: <20010918.35100@linwin.mshome.net> Message-ID: <01091908324000.00843@Romana> When folks on this list first started talking about building our own Linux distribution, I wondered why the world would need yet another distribution... but now I've found a reason. Last week I sat in on a coworker's presentation in a class at Washburn High School. The teacher of that class has had to personally get donated PCs from a prison work program, personally install (pirated) software on them, personally install keyboard trays on the tables, and then personally provide tech support, because the school won't do any of it for her. The reason she has computers in the classroom in the first place is that she finds her students learn more and better when asked to do reports as PowerPoint presentations than when asked to do essays. Naturally, in the course of the day the computers' configurations get messed up. I suggested that Linux would prevent them from doing any real damage, and she was intrigued, but realistically there's no way she could get over the learning curve in the few minutes a day she has available. So anyway, this is my long-winded way of suggesting that we could make a distribution for schoolteachers, providing basic functionality for a classroom environment. --Ben From jay at slushpupie.com Wed Sep 19 08:51:38 2001 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIS question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010919135210.UYXR6432.femail28.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> I am not sure their method of "shadowing" passwords would be compatible with Linux. Though it would be an intersting experiment. But I have always been told when doing NIS, shadow is bad. Not sure if there was a technical reason, or just methodology. Jay On Wednesday 19 September 2001 07:48 am, you wrote: > > > |Also, you'll have to keep it from using a shadow map as all the other > |platforms don't support shadow passwords. > > > > I thought AIX did. I am looking at a 4.3.3 and 3.? machine. Both have ! > in the passwd files and have the hash in /etc/security/passwd, with the > security subdirectory restricted to the admin group. Or does that not > count as shadowed, since it is still in a file called passwd? > > Not flamebait, just curious :) > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- The human race has one really effective weapon, and that is laughter. -- Mark Twain From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Sep 19 08:57:16 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Worm based on Code Red? In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDED2@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDED2@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010919085716.630e3865.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Here's a procmail recipe for Nimda, that new SirCam/CodeRed-ish worm.. It's based upon the fact that the worm uses a hard-coded MIME boundary in the mail messages it sends out. There might be a few other really really dumb programs that send out legitimate mail with a similar boundary, but they should be fixed to use random boundaries.. :0 D * ^Content-Type: * multipart.*"====_ABC1234567890DEF_====" /dev/null -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ It's hard to RTFM when / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ you can't _find_ TFM.. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010919/2aa73bab/attachment.pgp From chrome at real-time.com Wed Sep 19 09:08:06 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tux-image In-Reply-To: ; from troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us on Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 08:18:46AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010919090806.E27895@real-time.com> > I have never seen this before. Sorry if it was already here and I missed it... > > http://www.plainjoe.org/tux-image.html ThinkGeek sells a poster of this. it's pretty cool. thanks for posting. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From chrome at real-time.com Wed Sep 19 09:10:41 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ramdisk errors In-Reply-To: <01091908344603.00513@bleys>; from fertch@mninter.net on Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 08:34:46AM -0500 References: <01091710151901.00498@bleys> <20010918143025.V4504@real-time.com> <20010918161801.49038dbd.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <01091908344603.00513@bleys> Message-ID: <20010919091041.G27895@real-time.com> > The slots that the machine have are similar to ISA, brown in color and have > far more pin slots than a typical ISA. Very narrow connection spaces as well. sounds like Microchannel to me. tell ya what; if you bring your microchannel box to the next installfest; I'll bring mine, and we'll either get both of them working, or have fun trying. :) Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From gabe at msi.umn.edu Wed Sep 19 09:21:33 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIS question In-Reply-To: ; from jspinti@dart.dartdist.com on Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 07:48:25AM -0500 References: <20010918184342.A17753@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010919092133.A18334@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> On Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 07:48:25AM -0500, James Spinti wrote: > > |Also, you'll have to keep it from using a shadow map as all the other > |platforms don't support shadow passwords. > > > I thought AIX did. I am looking at a 4.3.3 and 3.? machine. Both have ! in > the passwd files and have the hash in /etc/security/passwd, with the > security subdirectory restricted to the admin group. Or does that not count > as shadowed, since it is still in a file called passwd? It's entirely possible that AIX does do shadow. AIX 5L will almost definitely. I've only used AIX in heterogeneous environments with NIS where we've had to use the lowest common denominator - an OS with no shadow support (e.g. Irix). You're right, though. Looking on an AIX box, the local passwd file has a ! in the passwd field. But, when using AIX with NIS, can it use a shadow map? The format of /etc/security/passwd is nothing at all like a shadow file in Linux. Gabe -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From gabe at msi.umn.edu Wed Sep 19 09:23:22 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIS question In-Reply-To: <20010919135210.UYXR6432.femail28.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there>; from jay@slushpupie.com on Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 08:51:38AM -0500 References: <20010919135210.UYXR6432.femail28.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Message-ID: <20010919092322.B18334@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> On Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 08:51:38AM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > I am not sure their method of "shadowing" passwords would be compatible with > Linux. Though it would be an intersting experiment. But I have always been > told when doing NIS, shadow is bad. Not sure if there was a technical > reason, or just methodology. Shadow isn't bad at all. If you can do it, do it. For example, we have an NIS domain consisting entirely of Linux boxen, and we use a shadow map there. If you want NIS across platforms, especially commercial UNIX, forget about it. Gabe -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From fertch at mninter.net Wed Sep 19 09:32:27 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ramdisk errors In-Reply-To: <20010919091041.G27895@real-time.com> References: <01091710151901.00498@bleys> <01091908344603.00513@bleys> <20010919091041.G27895@real-time.com> Message-ID: <01091909322700.02777@bleys> On Wednesday 19 September 2001 09:10, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > sounds like Microchannel to me. > > tell ya what; if you bring your microchannel box to the next installfest; > I'll bring mine, and we'll either get both of them working, or have fun > trying. :) -- Sounds good. Sheesh my little 'vette may not be able to handle the weight of all the machines I may wind up having to bring in. for some reason Linux has been bad to me lately on installs. Either that, or I just get unlucky and run into problems that I don't have the patience to work them through. --- Shawn "Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do." -Bruce Lee From fertch at mninter.net Wed Sep 19 09:38:02 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIS question In-Reply-To: <20010919092133.A18334@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> References: <20010918184342.A17753@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> <20010919092133.A18334@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> Message-ID: <01091909380201.02777@bleys> A lot of interesting things have come through on this. Looks like I'll definately be doing some serious reading when the time comes to work on this more. However right now, it's a low priority according to mgt. Where for me, it's a slightly higher priority to which I'd like to get rolling. On the question about limiting/blocking users from certain machines, the netgroup will that have to be multiple netgroups for various machines blocked? Reason why I ask is we have 100+ servers of primarily HP, Sun, AIX, a few DEC and even fewer Linux (unknown distros at this point) and there are varying levels, sublevels and such of access control. While one may have access to a client support server, they cannot have access to a Development box. Yet, their manager may. If the netgroups part becomes too cumbersome it would scrap the entire project and we'll have to stick with the adduser scripts we have right now on each machine. -- --- Shawn "Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do." -Bruce Lee From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Wed Sep 19 09:36:30 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIS question In-Reply-To: References: <20010918184342.A17753@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010919093630.A19704@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 07:48:25AM -0500, James Spinti wrote: > > |Also, you'll have to keep it from using a shadow map as all the other > |platforms don't support shadow passwords. > > > I thought AIX did. I am looking at a 4.3.3 and 3.? machine. Both have ! in > the passwd files and have the hash in /etc/security/passwd, with the > security subdirectory restricted to the admin group. Or does that not count > as shadowed, since it is still in a file called passwd? Yeah, I know Solaris and Irix use shadow passwords as well. -- Jim Crumley | Free Dmitry Sklyarov! crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | http://freesklyarov.org/ Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From gabe at msi.umn.edu Wed Sep 19 09:51:11 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIS question In-Reply-To: <01091909380201.02777@bleys>; from fertch@mninter.net on Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 09:38:02AM -0500 References: <20010918184342.A17753@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> <20010919092133.A18334@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> <01091909380201.02777@bleys> Message-ID: <20010919095111.C18334@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> On Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 09:38:02AM -0500, Shawn Fertch wrote: > A lot of interesting things have come through on this. Looks like I'll > definately be doing some serious reading when the time comes to work on this > more. However right now, it's a low priority according to mgt. Where for > me, it's a slightly higher priority to which I'd like to get rolling. Well, my suggestion is to round up one machine of each architecture on which you can do some testing. This can be difficult, especially when working with important, expensive machines (Alphas, RS/6000s, etc). But it's the only way that you'll figure out if NIS is feasible. > On the question about limiting/blocking users from certain machines, the > netgroup will that have to be multiple netgroups for various machines > blocked? Reason why I ask is we have 100+ servers of primarily HP, Sun, AIX, > a few DEC and even fewer Linux (unknown distros at this point) and there are > varying levels, sublevels and such of access control. While one may have > access to a client support server, they cannot have access to a Development > box. Yet, their manager may. If the netgroups part becomes too cumbersome > it would scrap the entire project and we'll have to stick with the adduser > scripts we have right now on each machine. Well, I guess is possible that with really fine grained access control, you'd have a bunch of netgroups to manage. Though, to fully understand what you're asking, I'll outline a small scenario. Machines: ServerA, ServerB, ServerC Users: UserA, UserB, UserC Now, lets say you want UserA and UserB to be able to log into ServerA; UserA and UserC to be able to log into ServerB; and all three users to be able to log into ServerC. Users can be in multiple netgroups, so you'd so something like the following: Create netgroup, netgroupA, containing UserA and UserB. Create netgroup, netgroupB, containing UserA and UserC. In /etc/passwd on ServerA, add: +@netgroupA::0:0:::: +::0:0::::/usr/local/etc/not_welcome In /etc/passwd on ServerB, add: +@netgroupB::0:0:::: +::0:0::::/usr/local/etc/not_welcome In /etc/passwd on ServerC, add: +@netgroupA::0:0:::: +@netgroupB::0:0:::: +::0:0::::/usr/local/etc/not_welcome Another possibility for access to ServerC is to create a new netgroup called netgroupC and put in that netgroup, the two netgroups netgroupA and netgroupB. Then, in /etc/passwd on ServerC you'd add: +@netgroupC::0:0:::: +::0:0::::/usr/local/etc/not_welcome When checking a user's authentication, netgroupC would be expanded to netgroupA and netgroupB, which are in turn expanded to UserA, UserB, UserC. Does that make things more clear? Gabe > > -- > --- > Shawn > > "Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do." > -Bruce Lee > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From gabe at msi.umn.edu Wed Sep 19 09:55:37 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIS question In-Reply-To: <20010919093630.A19704@gordo.space.umn.edu>; from crumley@belka.space.umn.edu on Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 09:36:30AM -0500 References: <20010918184342.A17753@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> <20010919093630.A19704@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010919095537.D18334@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> On Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 09:36:30AM -0500, Jim Crumley wrote: > On Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 07:48:25AM -0500, James Spinti wrote: > > > > |Also, you'll have to keep it from using a shadow map as all the other > > |platforms don't support shadow passwords. > > > > > > I thought AIX did. I am looking at a 4.3.3 and 3.? machine. Both have ! in > > the passwd files and have the hash in /etc/security/passwd, with the > > security subdirectory restricted to the admin group. Or does that not count > > as shadowed, since it is still in a file called passwd? > > Yeah, I know Solaris and Irix use shadow passwords as well. Is there something that you need to "turn on" for Irix? We're running 6.5.13 and I have yet to see any sort of shadow mechanism. Ok, a quick 'man shadow' just answered my question... pwconv will generate a shadow file from /etc/passwd. Can Irix use a shadow NIS map, though? That's something worth testing... That would allow easy Linux/Irix NIS integration.... The possibilities! :) Gabe -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From markt at logicworksinc.com Wed Sep 19 10:26:47 2001 From: markt at logicworksinc.com (Mark Theiste) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux vs. terrorists In-Reply-To: <01C140DC.E77B8820.eng@pinenet.com> Message-ID: > Linux is an outstanding starting point for a fuel cell controller's > software. Powered by Kylix, no doubt :) - Mark From esper at sherohman.org Wed Sep 19 10:52:41 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIS question In-Reply-To: <01091909380201.02777@bleys>; from fertch@mninter.net on Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 09:38:02AM -0500 References: <20010918184342.A17753@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> <20010919092133.A18334@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> <01091909380201.02777@bleys> Message-ID: <20010919105240.D971@sherohman.org> On Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 09:38:02AM -0500, Shawn Fertch wrote: > On the question about limiting/blocking users from certain machines, the > netgroup will that have to be multiple netgroups for various machines > blocked? Netgroups are nice for groups, but you can also do individual users. > While one may have > access to a client support server, they cannot have access to a Development > box. Yet, their manager may. In client support's /etc/passwd: +@csr:::::: +::::::/bin/false In development's /etc/passwd: +csr-manager:::::: +@development:::::: +::::::/bin/false (The last line denies access to everyone not previously given access.) You can also have local accounts on individual machines while using NIS to draw in account information on users without local accounts. NIS is extremely flexible that way. -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From natecars at real-time.com Wed Sep 19 11:08:55 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux vs. terrorists In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 19 Sep 2001, Mark Theiste wrote: You forgot the: > > Powered by Kylix, no doubt :) > :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Sep 19 11:08:06 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIS question In-Reply-To: <20010919095537.D18334@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> References: <20010918184342.A17753@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> <20010919093630.A19704@gordo.space.umn.edu> <20010919095537.D18334@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010919110806.V18850@ringworld.org> * Gabe Turner [010919 09:56]: > Is there something that you need to "turn on" for Irix? We're running > 6.5.13 and I have yet to see any sort of shadow mechanism. If you guys figure this out, I really want to implement it here :) (and if shadow nis stuff can be done on solaris, I never checked) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net "History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." - Justice Thurgood Marshall (1989) From jeffr at odeon.net Wed Sep 19 11:10:09 2001 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Building an integrated Linux In-Reply-To: <01091908324000.00843@Romana> Message-ID: Take a look at www.k12ltsp.org. If it's not exactly what you're looking for, it might be a good starting point. Jeff P.S. I seem to be unable to get there right now. Here's a google cache of their home page with some basic information about their project: http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:26xXlYXQjbM:www.k12ltsp.org/+k12ltsp&hl=en&lr=lang_en On Wed, 19 Sep 2001, Ben Stallings wrote: > When folks on this list first started talking about building our own Linux > distribution, I wondered why the world would need yet another distribution... > but now I've found a reason. > > Last week I sat in on a coworker's presentation in a class > at Washburn High School. The teacher of that class has had to personally get > donated PCs from a prison work program, personally install (pirated) software > on them, personally install keyboard trays on the tables, and then personally > provide tech support, because the school won't do any of it for her. > > The reason she has computers in the classroom in the first place is that she > finds her students learn more and better when asked to do reports as > PowerPoint presentations than when asked to do essays. > > Naturally, in the course of the day the computers' configurations get messed > up. I suggested that Linux would prevent them from doing any real damage, > and she was intrigued, but realistically there's no way she could get over > the learning curve in the few minutes a day she has available. > > So anyway, this is my long-winded way of suggesting that we could make a > distribution for schoolteachers, providing basic functionality for a > classroom environment. --Ben > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Wed Sep 19 11:20:15 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIS question In-Reply-To: <20010919105240.D971@sherohman.org> Message-ID: This is starting to sound like a topic for a monthly meeting...any possibility of having one somewhere closer to the western 'burbs? Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Dave Sherohman |Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 10:53 AM |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org |Subject: Re: [TCLUG] NIS question | | |On Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 09:38:02AM -0500, Shawn Fertch wrote: |> On the question about limiting/blocking users from certain machines, the |> netgroup will that have to be multiple netgroups for various machines |> blocked? | |Netgroups are nice for groups, but you can also do individual users. | |> While one may have |> access to a client support server, they cannot have access to a |Development |> box. Yet, their manager may. | |In client support's /etc/passwd: | |+@csr:::::: |+::::::/bin/false | |In development's /etc/passwd: | |+csr-manager:::::: |+@development:::::: |+::::::/bin/false | |(The last line denies access to everyone not previously given |access.) | |You can also have local accounts on individual machines while using |NIS to draw in account information on users without local accounts. |NIS is extremely flexible that way. | |-- |With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not |safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox |"To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license |_______________________________________________ |tclug-list mailing list |tclug-list@mn-linux.org |https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list | From dieman at ringworld.org Wed Sep 19 11:25:30 2001 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next meeting Message-ID: <20010919112530.X18850@ringworld.org> So, is there a 'formal speaker' for the next meeting, or is it going to be people informing eachother on NIS? Clay: I need to know a date soon so I can work things out with ACM and stuff. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net "History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." - Justice Thurgood Marshall (1989) From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Sep 19 11:23:56 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIS question In-Reply-To: References: <20010919105240.D971@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20010919112355.W18850@ringworld.org> * James Spinti [010919 11:21]: > This is starting to sound like a topic for a monthly meeting...any > possibility of having one somewhere closer to the western 'burbs? And exclude the rest of us? Pfeh. :) UMN is usually chosen for two reasons: A) It's pretty central to the region. B) We get the room for free. Find someplace where we get the room for barely-any-obligation. :| -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net "History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." - Justice Thurgood Marshall (1989) From jay at slushpupie.com Wed Sep 19 11:29:00 2001 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIS question In-Reply-To: <20010919110806.V18850@ringworld.org> References: <20010918184342.A17753@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> <20010919095537.D18334@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> <20010919110806.V18850@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010919162933.ZPDF21542.femail44.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> NIS Is a method of using the same file on multiple machines. You can set it up to use any file you want. A common address book, the /etc/hosts file, or whatever. It was intended for /etc/hosts and /etc/passwd originally, but takes no real changes to support other files. The trick is only in the programs that use the files. They have to know to ask for the file, or you have to manually do it. I worked someplace that did the address book file, and on boot up it grabed the file from the network, and just used cat to place it in a file. It was not updated emediatly like the passwd file was, but you just had to re-fetch it to get an update. Some people just put it in a daily cron job since it didnt update too often. Jay On Wednesday 19 September 2001 11:08 am, you wrote: > * Gabe Turner [010919 09:56]: > > Is there something that you need to "turn on" for Irix? We're running > > 6.5.13 and I have yet to see any sort of shadow mechanism. > > If you guys figure this out, I really want to implement it here :) > > (and if shadow nis stuff can be done on solaris, I never checked) -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- The difference between a Miracle and a Fact is exactly the difference between a mermaid and a seal. -- Mark Twain From andy at theasis.com Wed Sep 19 11:42:30 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next meeting In-Reply-To: <20010919112530.X18850@ringworld.org> Message-ID: I'll be visited by a friend from Scotland who has a forthcoming book on Procmail. Procmail Companion by Martin McCarthy (Addison Wesley) Marty will be here from ~4-16 Oct, so if there's interest I could try coercing him into talking to the LUG about procmail, or about the book, or whatever. Unfortunately it looks like the book is not due to be published until Nov 2, so having copies from the publisher seems out of the question. Let me know. Andy > So, is there a 'formal speaker' for the next meeting, or is it going to > be people informing eachother on NIS? > > Clay: > I need to know a date soon so I can work things out with ACM and stuff. From natecars at real-time.com Wed Sep 19 11:46:24 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIS question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 19 Sep 2001, James Spinti wrote: > This is starting to sound like a topic for a monthly meeting...any > possibility of having one somewhere closer to the western 'burbs? Could do one at Real Time.. conference room may get a bit crowded though. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From thomas at stderr.net Wed Sep 19 11:53:28 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next meeting In-Reply-To: ; from andy@theasis.com on Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 11:42:30AM -0500 References: <20010919112530.X18850@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010919185328.H23943@io.stderr.net> On Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 11:42:30AM -0500, andy@theasis.com wrote: > > I'll be visited by a friend from Scotland who has a forthcoming book > on Procmail. > Procmail Companion > by Martin McCarthy > (Addison Wesley) > > Marty will be here from ~4-16 Oct, so if there's interest I could try > coercing him into talking to the LUG about procmail, or about the book, or > whatever. Unfortunately it looks like the book is not due to be published > until Nov 2, so having copies from the publisher seems out of the > question. This sounds like a very good idea, I would definitelly show up on a meeting with this topic. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From spencer at autonomous.tv Wed Sep 19 11:54:46 2001 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (=?iso-8859-1?Q?SpencerUnderground?=) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] =?iso-8859-1?Q?mailing_list?= Message-ID: <61376.65.165.41.201.1000918486.squirrel@AAAunderground.autonomous.tv> Once again I made a change before I made a backup. This time I decided to change my e-mail address for the list. I did not see an option to change the address so I deleted the original account and made a new one to my new address. I realized right then I shouldn't have done what I did, but I didn't think I would be a big deal. To make this long story short, I have not been receiving the list to any address. I don't recall waiting for more than a few hours to be confirmed for the list before. Maybe it is just my punishment for not creating a backup resource. Bad spencer Bad spencer. I made the change Tue afternoon. -- SpencerUnderground http://autonomous.tv spencer@autonomous.tv http://mudpiefoods.com From nassarmu at mctc.mnscu.edu Wed Sep 19 12:18:32 2001 From: nassarmu at mctc.mnscu.edu (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIS question Message-ID: I would like to add a few observations that i have on NIS and Shadow passwords... Fist of all, Solaris does support Shadow password, the reason i know this is because a "System Administrator" was complaining that he couldnt see the hashed passwords in the passwd file, he didnt like the way shadows worked... also concerning NIS and shadows is that root on any machine(does not have to be yours) connected to the network can retrieve the hashed shadow file over NIS. a very grave security flaw. -munir >>> Jay Kline 09/19/01 11:38 AM >>> NIS Is a method of using the same file on multiple machines. You can set it up to use any file you want. A common address book, the /etc/hosts file, or whatever. It was intended for /etc/hosts and /etc/passwd originally, but takes no real changes to support other files. The trick is only in the programs that use the files. They have to know to ask for the file, or you have to manually do it. I worked someplace that did the address book file, and on boot up it grabed the file from the network, and just used cat to place it in a file. It was not updated emediatly like the passwd file was, but you just had to re-fetch it to get an update. Some people just put it in a daily cron job since it didnt update too often. Jay On Wednesday 19 September 2001 11:08 am, you wrote: > * Gabe Turner [010919 09:56]: > > Is there something that you need to "turn on" for Irix? We're running > > 6.5.13 and I have yet to see any sort of shadow mechanism. > > If you guys figure this out, I really want to implement it here :) > > (and if shadow nis stuff can be done on solaris, I never checked) -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- The difference between a Miracl and a Fact is exactly the difference between a mermaid and a seal. -- Mark Twain _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gabe at msi.umn.edu Wed Sep 19 12:26:56 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIS question In-Reply-To: ; from nassarmu@mctc.mnscu.edu on Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 12:18:32PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010919122656.N18334@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> On Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 12:18:32PM -0500, Munir Nassar wrote: > I would like to add a few observations that i have on NIS and Shadow passwords... > > Fist of all, Solaris does support Shadow password, the reason i know this is because a "System Administrator" was complaining that he couldnt see the hashed passwords in the passwd file, he didnt like the way shadows worked... > > also concerning NIS and shadows is that root on any machine(does not have to be yours) connected to the network can retrieve the hashed shadow file over NIS. a very grave security flaw. > Well, it's better than any non-root user on any machine in the domain being able to get your passwd map with hashes in it. That's the default for NIS. It's more liekly that an atacker will get into a user's account then it is they'll get root. If they get root, you have a much more serious problem. Gabe -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From gabe at msi.umn.edu Wed Sep 19 12:28:56 2001 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIS question In-Reply-To: ; from nassarmu@mctc.mnscu.edu on Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 12:18:32PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010919122856.O18334@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> > also concerning NIS and shadows is that root on any machine(does not have to be yours) connected to the network can retrieve the hashed shadow file over NIS. a very grave security flaw. Also, this is totally not true. They have to be connected to the network, know your NIS domain name, _and_ be spoofing as a machine on your network, or _directly_ on whatever subnet you've added to your securenets file. Gabe -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From esper at sherohman.org Wed Sep 19 12:34:27 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIS question In-Reply-To: ; from nassarmu@mctc.mnscu.edu on Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 12:18:32PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010919123427.H971@sherohman.org> On Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 12:18:32PM -0500, Munir Nassar wrote: > also concerning NIS and shadows is that root on any machine(does not have to be yours) connected to the network can retrieve the hashed shadow file over NIS. a very grave security flaw. Perhaps, but it's necessary. If root@randombox can't retrieve the shadow map, how is randombox supposed to do NIS login authentication? If this is something that poses a problem for you, use /etc/ypserv.securenets to restrict the IP address ranges that are allowed to access your NIS maps. -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From nassarmu at mctc.mnscu.edu Wed Sep 19 13:35:26 2001 From: nassarmu at mctc.mnscu.edu (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIS question Message-ID: >Also, this is totally not true. They have to be >connected to the network, Find unused wall jack, CHECK >know your NIS domain name, If you have access to one machine (even just a user) that is not too hard to get.... CHECK >and_ be spoofing as a machine on your network, >or _directly_ on whatever subnet you've added to your >securenets file. run nmap(even just as a user) on the subnet, find unused IP and you are good to go (who has the time/effort to spend inputting individual IPs into the securenets file?) CHECK I am not bashing NIS, actually i like NIS, but there but as i used it more i found some problems... i am not saying that these problems need fixing because them we would be relying on a microsoft to do it for us... i am just saying that in a Typical Networked Environment one should be warned: Even when using shadows it is not automagically most secure. just more secure. -munir From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Wed Sep 19 13:48:17 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIS question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: |>and_ be spoofing as a machine on your network, |>or _directly_ on whatever subnet you've added to your >securenets file. |run nmap(even just as a user) on the subnet, find unused IP and |you are good to go (who has the time/effort to spend inputting |individual IPs into the securenets file?) CHECK run arpwatch--e-mail shows new network card with new ip address. Not water tight, but it helps :) From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Sep 19 14:28:36 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cat 5 Y-adapters? Message-ID: I realize this is a bad idea, but in my application I think it will be Good Enough(tm). In my fiancee's apartment I have a Cat5 cable running from the living room to the geek lounge. The cable modem is in the living room because there's no cable TV connectors in any other room. I now want to put a WebTV type component into the entertainment center but it needs to be inside the firewall. Is there such thing as a Y adapter that I could split 1 Cat5 run into 2 ethernet lines? Yes, I realize it would break the standard but seeing as how one line is connecting to my cable modem (2 Mb/sec max) and the other will be 10 Mb/s, it should work. Does anybody sell these or is this just a dumb idea and I should have no business trying? -Brian From jeffr at odeon.net Wed Sep 19 14:37:16 2001 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cat 5 Y-adapters? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Is there any reason you couldn't just use a cheap unmanaged 4-port 10/100 switch (about $30 on pricewatch)? Jeff On Wed, 19 Sep 2001, Brian wrote: > I realize this is a bad idea, but in my application I think it will be > Good Enough(tm). In my fiancee's apartment I have a Cat5 cable running > from the living room to the geek lounge. The cable modem is in the living > room because there's no cable TV connectors in any other room. I now want > to put a WebTV type component into the entertainment center but it needs > to be inside the firewall. Is there such thing as a Y adapter that I > could split 1 Cat5 run into 2 ethernet lines? Yes, I realize it would > break the standard but seeing as how one line is connecting to my cable > modem (2 Mb/sec max) and the other will be 10 Mb/s, it should work. Does > anybody sell these or is this just a dumb idea and I should have no > business trying? > > -Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Sep 19 14:37:37 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cat 5 Y-adapters? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010919143737.Y18850@ringworld.org> * jeffr@odeon.net [010919 14:36]: > Is there any reason you couldn't just use a cheap unmanaged 4-port 10/100 > switch (about $30 on pricewatch)? Microcenter had 10/100 switches 5port for $35. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net "History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." - Justice Thurgood Marshall (1989) From fertch at mninter.net Wed Sep 19 14:41:22 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cat 5 Y-adapters? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01091914412202.08719@bleys> On Wednesday 19 September 2001 14:28, Brian wrote: > I realize this is a bad idea, but in my application I think it will be > Good Enough(tm). In my fiancee's apartment I have a Cat5 cable running > from the living room to the geek lounge. The cable modem is in the living > room because there's no cable TV connectors in any other room. I now want > to put a WebTV type component into the entertainment center but it needs > to be inside the firewall. Is there such thing as a Y adapter that I > could split 1 Cat5 run into 2 ethernet lines? Yes, I realize it would > break the standard but seeing as how one line is connecting to my cable > modem (2 Mb/sec max) and the other will be 10 Mb/s, it should work. Does > anybody sell these or is this just a dumb idea and I should have no > business trying? > > -Brian -- Buy a hub. --- Shawn "Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do." -Bruce Lee From fertch at mninter.net Wed Sep 19 14:46:33 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New virus info I think Message-ID: <01091914463303.08719@bleys> Just found this today on one of my systems with samba running... If someone is mapped to a samba share and they are infected with the "code blue" or nimba virus I think it's called, it will fill the file system with a pe000##.eml file in every directory. Currently I'm writing a script to clean out the system of these and greping for the readme.exe when doing a strings against the file. My scripting sucks, but I'll get it done sometime.... -- --- Shawn "Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do." -Bruce Lee From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Sep 19 14:45:03 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cat 5 Y-adapters? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 19 Sep 2001 jeffr@odeon.net wrote: > > Is there any reason you couldn't just use a cheap unmanaged 4-port 10/100 > switch (about $30 on pricewatch)? The firewall is in the geek lounge, so I can plug it into my KVM. Moving it into the living room is a last resort. -Brian From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Sep 19 14:44:46 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cat 5 Y-adapters? Message-ID: Is this cable already "in-wall"? In other words, is the problem that you cannot run another cable there? That is "the best" solution, I think. I think it can be done, thought is is a bad idea, I don't know anyone who makes such a device. It probably wouldn't be to hard to make though. (1) cat 5 cable (3) RJ45 ends (2) longer thinner shrink tube (for each set of 2 twisted pairs) (1) short thicker shrink tube (to keep the split together nicely) Just make sure the twisted pairs stay twisted, and in pairs, and it just might work. ;-) And you know you'll need two, so you'll have some practice before the second one. :-/ Good luck, Troy >>> lxy@cloudnet.com 09/19/01 02:28PM >>> I realize this is a bad idea, but in my application I think it will be Good Enough(tm). In my fiancee's apartment I have a Cat5 cable running from the living room to the geek lounge. The cable modem is in the living room because there's no cable TV connectors in any other room. I now want to put a WebTV type component into the entertainment center but it needs to be inside the firewall. Is there such thing as a Y adapter that I could split 1 Cat5 run into 2 ethernet lines? Yes, I realize it would break the standard but seeing as how one line is connecting to my cable modem (2 Mb/sec max) and the other will be 10 Mb/s, it should work. Does anybody sell these or is this just a dumb idea and I should have no business trying? -Brian _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Sep 19 14:46:02 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cat 5 Y-adapters? Message-ID: It is the "behind the firewall" part that kicks that in the pants. >>> jeffr@odeon.net 09/19/01 02:37PM >>> Is there any reason you couldn't just use a cheap unmanaged 4-port 10/100 switch (about $30 on pricewatch)? Jeff On Wed, 19 Sep 2001, Brian wrote: > I realize this is a bad idea, but in my application I think it will be > Good Enough(tm). In my fiancee's apartment I have a Cat5 cable running > from the living room to the geek lounge. The cable modem is in the living > room because there's no cable TV connectors in any other room. I now want > to put a WebTV type component into the entertainment center but it needs > to be inside the firewall. Is there such thing as a Y adapter that I > could split 1 Cat5 run into 2 ethernet lines? Yes, I realize it would > break the standard but seeing as how one line is connecting to my cable > modem (2 Mb/sec max) and the other will be 10 Mb/s, it should work. Does > anybody sell these or is this just a dumb idea and I should have no > business trying? > > -Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Wed Sep 19 14:59:39 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cat 5 Y-adapters? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 19 Sep 2001, Brian wrote: > I realize this is a bad idea, but in my application I think it will be > Good Enough(tm). In my fiancee's apartment I have a Cat5 cable running > from the living room to the geek lounge. The cable modem is in the living > room because there's no cable TV connectors in any other room. I now want > to put a WebTV type component into the entertainment center but it needs > to be inside the firewall. Is there such thing as a Y adapter that I > could split 1 Cat5 run into 2 ethernet lines? Yes, I realize it would > break the standard but seeing as how one line is connecting to my cable > modem (2 Mb/sec max) and the other will be 10 Mb/s, it should work. Does > anybody sell these or is this just a dumb idea and I should have no > business trying? Are you saying use 2pair for one ethernet line and 2 for the other, or split 2pair into 2 ethernet lines? If you just want to do 2 separate ethernet lines, each using 2 pair, you can do it, but it's not recommended. Basically, just wire a jack up on each end.. one pair across 1-2, one pair across 3-6. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From barnabas at knicknack.net Tue Sep 18 15:23:22 2001 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIS question In-Reply-To: <01091815040201.10410@bleys>; from fertch@mninter.net on Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 03:04:02PM -0500 References: <01091815040201.10410@bleys> Message-ID: <20010918152322.A32220@knicknack.net> Let me start with the caveat that I don't know NIS as well as I'd like to. We are using it at work on Solaris 2.6 and 8 as well as on Linux and it works fairly well. Linux does not support direct maps, however. We are also using netgroups to determine who has access to what machines. HTH, Eric On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 03:04:02PM -0500, Shawn Fertch wrote: > Anyone familiar enough with NIS on this? > > At work we have varying *nix platforms: > > Solaris (2.4, 2.6, 8) > HP-UX to 11 > AIX 4.3.2 and 4.3.3 some older versions well I believe > Tru64 4.0D, 4.0F, 5.1 > Linux > SCO > A few others I'm certain of > > Will NIS work cross platfoms, as well as being able to exclude certain > servers to which the person shouldn't have access to? Someone was looking > into it months ago, and said that it would not work because of the various > *nix platforms we run. > > > > -- > --- > Shawn > > "Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do." > -Bruce Lee > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From barnabas at knicknack.net Tue Sep 18 15:55:43 2001 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DNS problem? In-Reply-To: <20010918154639.A12553@candle.mn.mediaone.net>; from nate@techie.com on Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 03:46:39PM -0500 References: <007601c14038$c69c41c0$0238dccc@hutchtel.net> <1000820573.1006.25.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> <20010918142818.U4504@real-time.com> <20010918154639.A12553@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20010918155543.B32220@knicknack.net> I do remember hearing in the past about a tool that can be used to "telnet" to a UDP port to see if it is alive. I can't remember what is the tool. (Maybe I was just dreaming.) Can anyone confirm or deny this. Thanks. Eric On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 03:46:39PM -0500, Nate Straz wrote: > On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 02:28:23PM -0500, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > the simple way to check if there's a DNS server at least listening; is to > > telnet to port 53. > > That may work for DNS servers that are allowing zone transfers, but most > of DNS is run using UDP. How do you telnet to a UDP port? You don't. > > You could use dig and specify the server like so: > > # dig @1.2.3.4 host A > > Nate > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From steveg at transition.com Wed Sep 19 15:03:53 2001 From: steveg at transition.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cat 5 Y-adapters? Message-ID: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BC00A@postman.transition.com> Most Cat 5 I have seen is 4 pair, if yours is then you can just reterminate the cable with two plugs at each end. Just make sure you keep the pairs together. -----Original Message----- From: Brian [mailto:lxy@cloudnet.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 2:29 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Cat 5 Y-adapters? I realize this is a bad idea, but in my application I think it will be Good Enough(tm). In my fiancee's apartment I have a Cat5 cable running from the living room to the geek lounge. The cable modem is in the living room because there's no cable TV connectors in any other room. I now want to put a WebTV type component into the entertainment center but it needs to be inside the firewall. Is there such thing as a Y adapter that I could split 1 Cat5 run into 2 ethernet lines? Yes, I realize it would break the standard but seeing as how one line is connecting to my cable modem (2 Mb/sec max) and the other will be 10 Mb/s, it should work. Does anybody sell these or is this just a dumb idea and I should have no business trying? -Brian _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From steveg at transition.com Wed Sep 19 15:05:05 2001 From: steveg at transition.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New virus info I think Message-ID: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BC00B@postman.transition.com> Check for .NWS files also. -----Original Message----- From: Shawn Fertch [mailto:fertch@mninter.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 2:47 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] New virus info I think Just found this today on one of my systems with samba running... If someone is mapped to a samba share and they are infected with the "code blue" or nimba virus I think it's called, it will fill the file system with a pe000##.eml file in every directory. Currently I'm writing a script to clean out the system of these and greping for the readme.exe when doing a strings against the file. My scripting sucks, but I'll get it done sometime.... -- --- Shawn "Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do." -Bruce Lee _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jesse_erdmann at securecomputing.com Wed Sep 19 15:07:55 2001 From: jesse_erdmann at securecomputing.com (Jesse Erdmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cat 5 Y-adapters? References: Message-ID: <3BA8FB1B.F27996BF@securecomputing.com> I think the idea is that you plug the cable modem, WebTV and the link from the lounge into the hub. BTW, there are such splitters out there (if I understand what you're looking for). Probably can get them whereever you get your RJ-45s and other cabling supplies. Perhaps Radio Shack??? Brian wrote: > > On Wed, 19 Sep 2001 jeffr@odeon.net wrote: > > > > > Is there any reason you couldn't just use a cheap unmanaged 4-port 10/100 > > switch (about $30 on pricewatch)? > > The firewall is in the geek lounge, so I can plug it into my KVM. Moving > it into the living room is a last resort. -- Jesse Erdmann Engineer Secure Computing Corp. From jesse_erdmann at securecomputing.com Wed Sep 19 15:14:57 2001 From: jesse_erdmann at securecomputing.com (Jesse Erdmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cat 5 Y-adapters? References: Message-ID: <3BA8FCC1.B2224A34@securecomputing.com> Doesn't the cable modem only route packets from specific MAC addrs? I thought I read that the last time I thought about getting a cable modem. In that case wouldn't the WebTV traffic be forced to go through the firewall before going out? (The hub would spray it at both, but the cable modem would drop anything that didn't have the firewalls MAC?) Plus I don't know anything about WebTVs and what sort of network configuration you can do on them. "Troy.A Johnson" wrote: > > It is the "behind the firewall" part that kicks that in the pants. > > >>> jeffr@odeon.net 09/19/01 02:37PM >>> > > Is there any reason you couldn't just use a cheap unmanaged 4-port 10/100 > switch (about $30 on pricewatch)? > > Jeff -- Jesse Erdmann Engineer Secure Computing Corp. From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Sep 19 15:06:07 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cat 5 Y-adapters? Message-ID: But I really meant: (4) RJ45 ends ;-) >>> troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us 09/19/01 02:44PM >>> (1) cat 5 cable (3) RJ45 ends (2) longer thinner shrink tube (for each set of 2 twisted pairs) (1) short thicker shrink tube (to keep the split together nicely) From esper at sherohman.org Wed Sep 19 15:14:14 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cat 5 Y-adapters? In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 02:45:03PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010919151414.I971@sherohman.org> On Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 02:45:03PM -0500, Brian wrote: > On Wed, 19 Sep 2001 jeffr@odeon.net wrote: > > Is there any reason you couldn't just use a cheap unmanaged 4-port 10/100 > > switch (about $30 on pricewatch)? > > The firewall is in the geek lounge, so I can plug it into my KVM. Moving > it into the living room is a last resort. I fail to see the relevance of the firewall's location to adding a switch (or hub) to the network... /--- Internal box 1 (gl) ISP -- Firewall (gl) -- Switch 1 (gl) -- Switch 2 (lr) -- Internal box 2 (lr) \--- Internal box 3 (lr) (Where gl = "geek lounge" and lr = "living room") -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Sep 19 15:09:37 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cat 5 Y-adapters? Message-ID: Holy crap, I _am_ on drugs! (1) cat 5 cable (4) RJ45 ends (4) longer thinner shrink tube (for each set of 2 twisted pairs) (2) short thicker shrink tube (to keep the splits together nicely) And keep the damn twists. Jeez! :-) From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Sep 19 15:16:54 2001 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cat 5 Y-adapters? Message-ID: If the cable is in-wall, I'd want to try something more ephemeral, just so I could revert to a more "recommended" approach later on without screwing up my wall jack (unless I knew I had lots of extra cat5 in the wall and hated the look of custom cabling). To each his own. As much as I like the rustic look of custom cable, though, I do prefer like the "run more cable" and "always run extra cable" options. >>> natecars@real-time.com 09/19/01 02:59PM >>> Are you saying use 2pair for one ethernet line and 2 for the other, or split 2pair into 2 ethernet lines? If you just want to do 2 separate ethernet lines, each using 2 pair, you can do it, but it's not recommended. Basically, just wire a jack up on each end.. one pair across 1-2, one pair across 3-6. From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Wed Sep 19 15:29:48 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New virus info I think In-Reply-To: <01091914463303.08719@bleys> Message-ID: I know. I spent last night and this morning cleaning out over 2500 desktop.eml files on all kinds of shares. The person just visited a compromised web site. They knew better than opening an attachment (besides, we block all .exe, .vbs, etc at the firewall). Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Shawn Fertch |Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 2:47 PM |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org |Subject: [TCLUG] New virus info I think | | | |Just found this today on one of my systems with samba running... | |If someone is mapped to a samba share and they are infected with the "code |blue" or nimba virus I think it's called, it will fill the file |system with a |pe000##.eml file in every directory. Currently I'm writing a |script to clean |out the system of these and greping for the readme.exe when doing |a strings |against the file. | |My scripting sucks, but I'll get it done sometime.... | | |-- |--- |Shawn | | "Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, |we must do." | -Bruce Lee |_______________________________________________ |tclug-list mailing list |tclug-list@mn-linux.org |https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list | From doug at northlandstudios.com Wed Sep 19 15:37:11 2001 From: doug at northlandstudios.com (Doug) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] windows *.txt files unreadable on Linux In-Reply-To: <3BA8FB1B.F27996BF@securecomputing.com> Message-ID: Hi gang, I'm having a problem with some windows .txt files. When I copy them onto linux and open them with pico, gedit, etc... there is either nothing there or it's hexidecimal. Any way I can read these??? -- Doug Henry, MCSE/MCP+I Senior Applications Developer/DBA Gage Impact Incentives doug_henry@gage.com (work) doug@northlandstudios.com (personal) From jesse_erdmann at securecomputing.com Wed Sep 19 15:43:47 2001 From: jesse_erdmann at securecomputing.com (Jesse Erdmann) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cat 5 Y-adapters? References: <3BA8FCC1.B2224A34@securecomputing.com> Message-ID: <3BA90383.45359889@securecomputing.com> I guess it's also important to note that I was assuming you could configure the WebTV to have a non-routable IP (10.x.x.x or 192.168.x.x). But, the idea of splitting the 4 pair on each end seems to be the most sound thus far. Jesse Erdmann wrote: > > Doesn't the cable modem only route packets from specific MAC addrs? I > thought I read that the last time I thought about getting a cable modem. > > In that case wouldn't the WebTV traffic be forced to go through the > firewall before going out? (The hub would spray it at both, but the > cable modem would drop anything that didn't have the firewalls MAC?) > > Plus I don't know anything about WebTVs and what sort of network > configuration you can do on them. > > "Troy.A Johnson" wrote: > > > > It is the "behind the firewall" part that kicks that in the pants. > > > > >>> jeffr@odeon.net 09/19/01 02:37PM >>> > > > > Is there any reason you couldn't just use a cheap unmanaged 4-port 10/100 > > switch (about $30 on pricewatch)? > > > > Jeff > > -- > > Jesse Erdmann > Engineer > Secure Computing Corp. > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jesse Erdmann Engineer Secure Computing Corp. From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Sep 19 16:03:30 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cat 5 Y-adapters? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDEE2@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> I don't think you can do this. You need to buy a hub or a switch. Ethernet is not like phone wiring. > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian [mailto:lxy@cloudnet.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 2:29 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Cat 5 Y-adapters? > > > I realize this is a bad idea, but in my application I think > it will be Good Enough(tm). In my fiancee's apartment I have > a Cat5 cable running from the living room to the geek lounge. > The cable modem is in the living room because there's no > cable TV connectors in any other room. I now want to put a > WebTV type component into the entertainment center but it > needs to be inside the firewall. Is there such thing as a Y > adapter that I could split 1 Cat5 run into 2 ethernet lines? > Yes, I realize it would break the standard but seeing as how > one line is connecting to my cable modem (2 Mb/sec max) and > the other will be 10 Mb/s, it should work. Does anybody sell > these or is this just a dumb idea and I should have no > business trying? > > -Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blayer at qwest.net Wed Sep 19 15:50:57 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cat 5 Y-adapters? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010919155057.2bf408cb.blayer@qwest.net> On or about Wed, 19 Sep 2001 14:28:36 -0500 (CDT) Brian reportedly said... Is there such thing as a Y adapter that I > could split 1 Cat5 run into 2 ethernet lines? Radio Shack sells one, I saw it there today.. don't ask me how (or if) it works. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Sep 19 16:16:59 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New virus info I think In-Reply-To: ; from jspinti@dart.dartdist.com on Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 03:29:48PM -0500 References: <01091914463303.08719@bleys> Message-ID: <20010919161659.A1691@llama.sistina.com> On Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 03:29:48PM -0500, James Spinti wrote: >I know. I spent last night and this morning cleaning out over 2500 >desktop.eml files on all kinds of shares. The person just visited a >compromised web site. They knew better than opening an attachment (besides, >we block all .exe, .vbs, etc at the firewall). find /share -name "*.eml" -exec rm -f -- {} \; I've been fortunate enough to not have any of these show up on my samba shares. > >Thanks, > >James Spinti >jspinti at dartdist.com >952-368-3278 x396 >fax 952-368-3255 > >|-----Original Message----- >|From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org >|[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Shawn Fertch >|Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 2:47 PM >|To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >|Subject: [TCLUG] New virus info I think >| >| >| >|Just found this today on one of my systems with samba running... >| >|If someone is mapped to a samba share and they are infected with the "code >|blue" or nimba virus I think it's called, it will fill the file >|system with a >|pe000##.eml file in every directory. Currently I'm writing a >|script to clean >|out the system of these and greping for the readme.exe when doing >|a strings >|against the file. >| >|My scripting sucks, but I'll get it done sometime.... >| >| >|-- >|--- >|Shawn >| >| "Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, >|we must do." >| -Bruce Lee >|_______________________________________________ >|tclug-list mailing list >|tclug-list@mn-linux.org >|https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >| > >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. "In the war against terrorism, there are no rear lines. We're all on the front lines" - William Cohen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But it seems as an ISP you a forced to make Window problems your problems. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dsherman at real-time.com Wed Sep 19 16:27:55 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] windows *.txt files unreadable on Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1000934881.2604.7.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> On Wed, 2001-09-19 at 15:37, Doug wrote: > Hi gang, > I'm having a problem with some windows .txt files. When I copy them onto > linux and open them with pico, gedit, etc... there is either nothing there > or it's hexidecimal. Any way I can read these??? How are you copying the files? Via Samba? FTP? NFS? Diskette? Or just from a Windows partition to a Linux partition? Need more info. Dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010919/73338c9b/attachment.pgp From sextus at visi.com Wed Sep 19 16:47:44 2001 From: sextus at visi.com (Michael Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cat 5 Y-adapters? In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDEE2@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from Austad, Jay on Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 04:03:30PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDEE2@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010919164743.A4393@visi.com> ON Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 04:03:30PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Brian [mailto:lxy@cloudnet.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 2:29 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: [TCLUG] Cat 5 Y-adapters? > > > > > > I realize this is a bad idea, but in my application I think > > it will be Good Enough(tm). In my fiancee's apartment I have > > a Cat5 cable running from the living room to the geek lounge. > > The cable modem is in the living room because there's no > > cable TV connectors in any other room. I now want to put a > > WebTV type component into the entertainment center but it > > needs to be inside the firewall. Is there such thing as a Y > > adapter that I could split 1 Cat5 run into 2 ethernet lines? > > Yes, I realize it would break the standard but seeing as how > > one line is connecting to my cable modem (2 Mb/sec max) and > > the other will be 10 Mb/s, it should work. Does anybody sell > > these or is this just a dumb idea and I should have no > > business trying? > > I don't think you can do this. You need to buy a hub or a switch. Ethernet > is not like phone wiring. Not entirely true. You most certainly can split 10baseT Ethernet over Cat 5 by using 4 wires per end. But "can" does not imply "should" and you'll be a network administrator in one of the deeper circles of Hell if you do. -- Michael From doug at northlandstudios.com Wed Sep 19 16:49:32 2001 From: doug at northlandstudios.com (Doug) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] windows *.txt files unreadable on Linux In-Reply-To: <1000934881.2604.7.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> Message-ID: just from a windows partition to a linux one, ftp however yields the same result. I think it's an encoding issue of the file itself??? -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Dave Sherman Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 4:28 PM To: TC-LUG Subject: Re: [TCLUG] windows *.txt files unreadable on Linux On Wed, 2001-09-19 at 15:37, Doug wrote: > Hi gang, > I'm having a problem with some windows .txt files. When I copy them onto > linux and open them with pico, gedit, etc... there is either nothing there > or it's hexidecimal. Any way I can read these??? How are you copying the files? Via Samba? FTP? NFS? Diskette? Or just from a Windows partition to a Linux partition? Need more info. Dave From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Sep 19 16:56:39 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cat 5 Y-adapters? In-Reply-To: <20010919155057.2bf408cb.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 19 Sep 2001, Bill Layer wrote: > Radio Shack sells one, I saw it there today.. don't ask me how (or if) it > works. My first option is to use a nice splitter assembly. My second option is to split the pairs and crimp two ends onto it. The reason I don't want to use a switch is because a spoofed IP on the cable modem can then sit nice and cozy insode of my network. I don't like that idea. Anyway, I'll be stopping at Radio Smack tonight and see how much they want for them. -Brian From josh at greentechnologist.org Wed Sep 19 17:01:34 2001 From: josh at greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fw: nimda infected www.microsoft.com? Message-ID: From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Wed Sep 19 17:06:20 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cat 5 Y-adapters? In-Reply-To: <20010919164743.A4393@visi.com> Message-ID: |> > |> > I realize this is a bad idea, but in my application I think |> > it will be Good Enough(tm). In my fiancee's apartment I have |> > a Cat5 cable running from the living room to the geek lounge. |> > The cable modem is in the living room because there's no |> > cable TV connectors in any other room. I now want to put a |> > WebTV type component into the entertainment center but it |> > needs to be inside the firewall. Is there such thing as a Y |> > adapter that I could split 1 Cat5 run into 2 ethernet lines? |> > Yes, I realize it would break the standard but seeing as how |> > one line is connecting to my cable modem (2 Mb/sec max) and |> > the other will be 10 Mb/s, it should work. Does anybody sell |> > these or is this just a dumb idea and I should have no |> > business trying? |> |> I don't think you can do this. You need to buy a hub or a |switch. Ethernet |> is not like phone wiring. | |Not entirely true. You most certainly can split 10baseT Ethernet |over Cat 5 |by using 4 wires per end. But "can" does not imply "should" and you'll be |a network administrator in one of the deeper circles of Hell if you do. | As an adminstrator who inherited a network wired this way, I heartily agree! From poverby at megsinet.net Wed Sep 19 16:12:31 2001 From: poverby at megsinet.net (Paul Overby) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cat 5 Y-adapters? References: Message-ID: <3BA90A3F.696C53A8@megsinet.net> 10baseT uses 2 twisted pair, that is four wires 2 for data in and two for data out. You can connect 2 ethernet interfaces without a hub by reversing these pairs. I'll be amazed if you are abled to connect 2 to 1 with a Y connector. My guess is you'll screw up the signal clocking. Brian wrote: > I realize this is a bad idea, but in my application I think it will be > Good Enough(tm). In my fiancee's apartment I have a Cat5 cable running > from the living room to the geek lounge. The cable modem is in the living > room because there's no cable TV connectors in any other room. I now want > to put a WebTV type component into the entertainment center but it needs > to be inside the firewall. Is there such thing as a Y adapter that I > could split 1 Cat5 run into 2 ethernet lines? Yes, I realize it would > break the standard but seeing as how one line is connecting to my cable > modem (2 Mb/sec max) and the other will be 10 Mb/s, it should work. Does > anybody sell these or is this just a dumb idea and I should have no > business trying? > > -Brian > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Paul Overby Poverby@megsinet.net Office: 651-686-6074 Home: 452-3233 From dsherman at real-time.com Wed Sep 19 17:33:51 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] windows *.txt files unreadable on Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1000938836.2578.20.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> On Wed, 2001-09-19 at 16:49, Doug wrote: > just from a windows partition to a linux one, ftp however yields the same > result. I think it's an encoding issue of the file itself??? Assuming two things: 1. You can open the same files in Notepad or other plain-text editor on Windows just fine. 2. The files really are plain ASCII text. Then it might be that during the copy process, the extra carriage-return characters are not being stripped out of the files. Normally, ftp will do this as long as it is in ASCII transfer mode. Also, it is possible to tell mount (in your /etc/fstab file, I don't remember the option off-hand) to convert Windows CR-LF combinations to just plain line feeds for Linux. But if your fstab is not set to do this, and/or ftp is transferring files using binary mode, then the Linux text editors may be seeing the files as binary. Dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Joseph Key ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Layer" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Cat 5 Y-adapters? > On or about Wed, 19 Sep 2001 14:28:36 -0500 (CDT) > Brian reportedly said... > > Is there such thing as a Y adapter that I > > could split 1 Cat5 run into 2 ethernet lines? > > Radio Shack sells one, I saw it there today.. don't ask me how (or if) it > works. > > > > > -.bill.layer.- > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dsherman at real-time.com Wed Sep 19 17:46:35 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] windows *.txt files unreadable on Linux In-Reply-To: <1000938836.2578.20.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> References: <1000938836.2578.20.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> Message-ID: <1000939601.2600.23.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> On Wed, 2001-09-19 at 17:33, Dave Sherman wrote: > On Wed, 2001-09-19 at 16:49, Doug wrote: > > just from a windows partition to a linux one, ftp however yields the same > > result. I think it's an encoding issue of the file itself??? > > Assuming two things: > 1. You can open the same files in Notepad or other plain-text editor on > Windows just fine. > 2. The files really are plain ASCII text. > > Then it might be that during the copy process, the extra carriage-return > characters are not being stripped out of the files. Normally, ftp will > do this as long as it is in ASCII transfer mode. Also, it is possible to > tell mount (in your /etc/fstab file, I don't remember the option > off-hand) to convert Windows CR-LF combinations to just plain line feeds > for Linux. But if your fstab is not set to do this, and/or ftp is > transferring files using binary mode, then the Linux text editors may be > seeing the files as binary. I forgot one other thing. You might try to open the files in vi. If you see a bunch of lines ending with ^M, those are the extra carriage-return characters I mentioned. If not, then that's not the problem. Dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010919/44660c49/attachment.pgp From markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net Wed Sep 19 19:04:02 2001 From: markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tux-image References: <20010919090806.E27895@real-time.com> Message-ID: <00ed01c14167$c5229760$1e02a8c0@zippy> Oddly, It dones not print out very well. Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] tux-image > I have never seen this before. Sorry if it was already here and I missed it... > > http://www.plainjoe.org/tux-image.html ThinkGeek sells a poster of this. it's pretty cool. thanks for posting. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tmechanic at mn.mediaone.net Wed Sep 19 19:51:03 2001 From: tmechanic at mn.mediaone.net (BT) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cat 5 Y-adapters? References: Message-ID: <3BA93D77.DAED5AEC@mn.mediaone.net> Ummm, why don't you just get a multiport hub? Brian wrote: > I realize this is a bad idea, but in my application I think it will be > Good Enough(tm). In my fiancee's apartment I have a Cat5 cable running > from the living room to the geek lounge. The cable modem is in the living > room because there's no cable TV connectors in any other room. I now want > to put a WebTV type component into the entertainment center but it needs > to be inside the firewall. Is there such thing as a Y adapter that I > could split 1 Cat5 run into 2 ethernet lines? Yes, I realize it would > break the standard but seeing as how one line is connecting to my cable > modem (2 Mb/sec max) and the other will be 10 Mb/s, it should work. Does > anybody sell these or is this just a dumb idea and I should have no > business trying? > > -Brian > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kremer at ringworld.org Wed Sep 19 20:11:45 2001 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cat 5 Y-adapters? In-Reply-To: <009901c1415c$ca6e2fa0$0139a8c0@tomobiki.dyndns.org> Message-ID: sheesh you people. you fail to notice an obvious solution! buy a nice managed switch and map it so that firewall can talk to cablemodem, firewall can talk to webTV, but webTV cannot talk to cablemodem. or maybe that's just a LITTLE overkill :) On Wed, 19 Sep 2001, Joseph Key wrote: > MPC had some 5 port 10/100 hubs for $10 the other day. > > Joseph Key > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Layer" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 3:50 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Cat 5 Y-adapters? > > > > On or about Wed, 19 Sep 2001 14:28:36 -0500 (CDT) > > Brian reportedly said... > > > > Is there such thing as a Y adapter that I > > > could split 1 Cat5 run into 2 ethernet lines? > > > > Radio Shack sells one, I saw it there today.. don't ask me how (or if) it > > works. > > > > > > > > > > -.bill.layer.- > > > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- > > > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From clay at fandre.com Wed Sep 19 21:37:57 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next meeting In-Reply-To: References: <20010919112530.X18850@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010919213757.B14702@fandre.com> I was hoping to have an installfest next month since I've been getting tons (and tons) of requests for one. Unfortunatly no one ever returns my emails. >-( So let's plan on having a meeting on the 6th... Hmmm, after checking my calendar, It looks like I'll be out of town again... damn. Procamil sounds like a perfect topic. Andy, let me/us know if your friend is willing to talk. -- Clay On Wed, 19 Sep 2001, andy@theasis.com wrote: > > I'll be visited by a friend from Scotland who has a forthcoming book > on Procmail. > Procmail Companion > by Martin McCarthy > (Addison Wesley) > > Marty will be here from ~4-16 Oct, so if there's interest I could try > coercing him into talking to the LUG about procmail, or about the book, or > whatever. Unfortunately it looks like the book is not due to be published > until Nov 2, so having copies from the publisher seems out of the > question. > > Let me know. > > Andy > > > So, is there a 'formal speaker' for the next meeting, or is it going to > > be people informing eachother on NIS? > > > > Clay: > > I need to know a date soon so I can work things out with ACM and stuff. > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Sep 19 22:42:03 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next meeting In-Reply-To: <20010919213757.B14702@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 09:37:57PM -0500 References: <20010919112530.X18850@ringworld.org> <20010919213757.B14702@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010919224203.A725@llama.dolly-llama.org> On Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 09:37:57PM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: >I was hoping to have an installfest next month since I've been getting tons (and tons) of requests for one. Unfortunatly no one ever returns my emails. >-( So let's plan on having a meeting on the 6th... Hmmm, after checking my calendar, It looks like I'll be out of town again... damn. > >Procamil sounds like a perfect topic. Andy, let me/us know if your friend is willing to talk. > what about exim filters? -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. "In the war against terrorism, there are no rear lines. We're all on the front lines" - William Cohen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010919/98eab1a1/attachment.pgp From blayer at qwest.net Thu Sep 20 00:30:58 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beermeeting Thursday? Message-ID: <20010920003058.6da700f9.blayer@qwest.net> Isn't tomorrow a beermeeting thursday? Is there a plan? -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From mpaulsen at charter.net Thu Sep 20 00:50:08 2001 From: mpaulsen at charter.net (Mike Paulsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MAPS/ORBS replacements status update? In-Reply-To: <20010913164624.U32046@real-time.com> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010920000303.02781eb0@pop.charter.net> Take a look at the DCC if you haven't already done so. http://www.rhyolite.com/anti-spam/dcc/ If you're still considering running your own DNSBL... It ain't free and I can't vouch for the quality, but it's from dorkslayers: DNSBL in a Box: http://www.dnsbliab.com/work.html -- Mike At 04:46 PM 9/13/01, Bob Tanner wrote: >Looking for any input from people who are running/using MAPS/ORBS >replacements. > >My survey shows that the replacements have very small databases, poor web >frontends, and terrible interfaces to allow removing of entries. > >The ones that claim to be open source have not released the source code, don't >have cvs access, etc.. > >So, any news in the LUG area about using these? From jacque at fruitioninc.com Thu Sep 20 00:45:59 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beermeeting Thursday? In-Reply-To: <20010920003058.6da700f9.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: I forgot it was beermeeting week. So there is no plan. Feel free to make plans. ~j > > Isn't tomorrow a beermeeting thursday? Is there a plan? > > > > -.bill.layer.- > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Thu Sep 20 01:15:18 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MAPS/ORBS replacements status update? In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20010920000303.02781eb0@pop.charter.net>; from mpaulsen@charter.net on Thu, Sep 20, 2001 at 12:50:08AM -0500 References: <20010913164624.U32046@real-time.com> <5.0.0.25.2.20010920000303.02781eb0@pop.charter.net> Message-ID: <20010920011518.B9611@real-time.com> Quoting Mike Paulsen (mpaulsen@charter.net): > Take a look at the DCC if you haven't already done so. > http://www.rhyolite.com/anti-spam/dcc/ I saw this awhile back on MAPS web site as a beta thingie. Seems like a whitelist of address and "bulkness" of a message is overly complex and from what I can read it doesn't catch as much stuff as a blacklist. If I could go out on a limb, it looks like this is technology to solve a legal problem of blacklists. Am I missing something here? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Sep 20 01:20:47 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cat 5 Y-adapters? In-Reply-To: References: <009901c1415c$ca6e2fa0$0139a8c0@tomobiki.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20010920012047.C18850@ringworld.org> * Justin Kremer [010919 20:14]: > sheesh you people. you fail to notice an obvious solution! > buy a nice managed switch and map it so that firewall can talk to Expensive, but much fun :) Anyone got a 2924XL they want to donate? -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net "History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." - Justice Thurgood Marshall (1989) From shane at shell.schulte.org Thu Sep 20 02:02:13 2001 From: shane at shell.schulte.org (Shane Kinney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next Meeting Message-ID: <20010920015842.N66344-100000@pinnacle.schulte.org> Speaking of a meeting.... Any idea of what the next meeting will be about? How about 'Setting up Apache' or 'Sendmail' ?? ~Shane From clay at fandre.com Thu Sep 20 04:56:54 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next Meeting In-Reply-To: <20010920015842.N66344-100000@pinnacle.schulte.org> References: <20010920015842.N66344-100000@pinnacle.schulte.org> Message-ID: <20010920045654.C19727@fandre.com> Guess you missed the thread on this. It might be procmail. Or not. I am always open to suggestions. http://www.mn-linux.org/feedback/ On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, Shane Kinney wrote: > Speaking of a meeting.... > > Any idea of what the next meeting will be about? > > How about 'Setting up Apache' or 'Sendmail' ?? > > ~Shane > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From doughanson at mediaone.net Thu Sep 20 08:49:39 2001 From: doughanson at mediaone.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beermeeting Thursday? References: Message-ID: <006b01c141db$18233b90$eaaf7a81@doug> How about the Vine Park Brewery on West 7th street near the Wild Arena? Great microbrews and good food... Douger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacqueline Urick" To: Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 12:45 AM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Beermeeting Thursday? > > I forgot it was beermeeting week. So there is no plan. Feel free to make > plans. > > ~j > > > > > Isn't tomorrow a beermeeting thursday? Is there a plan? > > > > > > > > -.bill.layer.- > > > > -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- > > > > -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Sep 20 09:05:09 2001 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:20 2005 Subject: Noise:Line Ratio on the rise (was Re: [TCLUG] Beermeeting Thursday?) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 20 Sep 2001 08:49:39 CDT." <006b01c141db$18233b90$eaaf7a81@doug> References: <006b01c141db$18233b90$eaaf7a81@doug> Message-ID: <20010920140510.18F0918440@skuld.wk> In message <006b01c141db$18233b90$eaaf7a81@doug>, "Doug Hanson" writes: > How about the Vine Park Brewery on West 7th street near the Wild Arena? > Great microbrews and good food... The Noise:Line ratio is on the rise again. This is just a friendly reminder to cut out all of the reply text that is not needed from your email messages. Thank you. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Key fingerprint = B4AB D627 9CBD 687E 7A31 1950 0CC7 0B18 206C 5AFD From blayer at qwest.net Thu Sep 20 09:09:16 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:20 2005 Subject: Vine park vs. DiGidio's( was Re: [TCLUG] Beermeeting Thursday?) In-Reply-To: <006b01c141db$18233b90$eaaf7a81@doug> References: <006b01c141db$18233b90$eaaf7a81@doug> Message-ID: <20010920090916.416c6fa2.blayer@qwest.net> On or about Thu, 20 Sep 2001 08:49:39 -0500 Doug Hanson reportedly said... > How about the Vine Park Brewery on West 7th street near the Wild Arena? > Great microbrews and good food... I have a mild objection to Vine Park - I thought the beer was good, but the food was limited and rather pricey to get a decent meal.. I was thinking a return to DiGigio's (about 6 blocks from Vine Park) on West 7th. Food is cheap and plentiful as are the drinks. The staff seemed happy to accomodate our last group, which numbered 10-12 folks. But I will settle for whatever makes people happy.. both locations are very close to my place. In the meantime, here is the link to DiGidio's. http://twincities.citysearch.com/profile/5518868/ See you all (wherever) tonight... -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From doughanson at mediaone.net Thu Sep 20 09:29:27 2001 From: doughanson at mediaone.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:20 2005 Subject: Vine park vs. DiGidio's( was Re: [TCLUG] Beermeeting Thursday?) References: <006b01c141db$18233b90$eaaf7a81@doug> <20010920090916.416c6fa2.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <008301c141e0$a7a76610$eaaf7a81@doug> Yes Bill, DiGidio's is most excellent!!! I concur... Douger From esper at sherohman.org Thu Sep 20 10:03:45 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next meeting In-Reply-To: <20010919224203.A725@llama.dolly-llama.org>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 10:42:03PM -0500 References: <20010919112530.X18850@ringworld.org> <20010919213757.B14702@fandre.com> <20010919224203.A725@llama.dolly-llama.org> Message-ID: <20010920100345.C8992@sherohman.org> On Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 10:42:03PM -0500, Ben Lutgens wrote: > what about exim filters? I dunno... Do we want to make the sendmail users that jealous? -- With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox "To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license From fertch at mninter.net Thu Sep 20 10:08:51 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New virus info I think In-Reply-To: <20010919161659.A1691@llama.sistina.com> References: <01091914463303.08719@bleys> <20010919161659.A1691@llama.sistina.com> Message-ID: <01092010085100.03367@bleys> On Wednesday 19 September 2001 16:16, Ben Lutgens wrote: > > find /share -name "*.eml" -exec rm -f -- {} \; > > I've been fortunate enough to not have any of these show up on my samba > shares. > -- I did it a little differently. To keep from deleting "valid" saved e-mails, I did the following: > cat emldelete find / -name *.eml > /home/shawnf/eml.txt # for i in `cat /home/shawnf/eml.txt` do strings $i |grep readme.exe if [ $? -eq 0 ] then rm $i fi done The .nws files have the same basic headers and so forth, so I just wrote another script to search for them. I know it can be done on one line, but I like to keep it clean and easily understandable. That way, just about anyone can figure out what I was doing should I not be here. --- Shawn "Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do." -Bruce Lee From evisuale at mn.mediaone.net Thu Sep 20 12:18:57 2001 From: evisuale at mn.mediaone.net (Erick Stohr) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] boot disk Message-ID: <000801c141f8$55999d30$66baa318@genx> Is there a linux utility to make a boot disk? Mine went bad somehow and cannot boot into my system but am using the linuxcare cd to see things. thanks. Erick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010920/fed42f9a/attachment.htm From lbehrens at boolion.com Thu Sep 20 12:18:47 2001 From: lbehrens at boolion.com (Lee J. Behrens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New virus info I think Message-ID: Once it gets going, the virus is pretty good at clogging up your network, too. I won't name names, but at least one company in the area has pretty much been shut down for the last couple days, while they try to clean everyone's machines. Some of Nimda's other interesting "features": - Infect .exe, .asp, .htm, .html, and files named index, default, main. - Obtain email addresses from address book and web pages. - Create hidden file shares to all your local drives, and remove share security (NT/2000). - Create guest accounts. - Active searching and infection of other machines (therefore clogging your network). You can find out more on your own. Anyway, McAfee has a free command-line utility to specifically eliminate Nimda from a Windows machine, and also nuke the hidden file shares created by the critter. You do not need to own or have installed any of their products to use this utility. You can find the utility (and perhaps more information than you ever wanted to know) at http://vil.mcafee.com/dispVirus.asp?virus_k=99209&&cid=2444 Lee Behrens From: Shawn Fertch Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 14:46:33 -0500 Subject: [TCLUG] New virus info I think Just found this today on one of my systems with samba running... If someone is mapped to a samba share and they are infected with the "code blue" or nimba virus I think it's called, it will fill the file system with a pe000##.eml file in every directory. Currently I'm writing a script to clean out the system of these and greping for the readme.exe when doing a strings against the file. My scripting sucks, but I'll get it done sometime.... From fertch at mninter.net Thu Sep 20 13:32:13 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SO and saving to zip Message-ID: <01092013321300.08543@bleys> Okay, this sounds kinda stupid, but why can't I change a file on my zip drive? I can write a file to it, but can't change it when I'm in Star Office. I can vi a text file, modify it and save it. Yet, SO can't save. Keeps coming up saying I don't have permissions. Fstab entry: /dev/sda4 /zip vfat noauto,rw,users 0 0 unmounted prop's: drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Sep 11 08:14 zip Mounted props: drwxr-xr-x 10 shawnf users 16384 Dec 31 1969 zip --- Shawn "Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do." -Bruce Lee From tanner at real-time.com Thu Sep 20 14:25:43 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next Meeting In-Reply-To: <20010920045654.C19727@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Thu, Sep 20, 2001 at 04:56:54AM -0500 References: <20010920015842.N66344-100000@pinnacle.schulte.org> <20010920045654.C19727@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010920142543.L27141@real-time.com> Quoting Clay Fandre (clay@fandre.com): > Guess you missed the thread on this. It might be procmail. Or not. > > I am always open to suggestions. http://www.mn-linux.org/feedback/ How about how to spend 3 days help windows users clean up after a Nimda infection? :-( Or Why linux isn't effect by this virus. Or Why do people blame the Internet and hackers for this virus, when really they should blame Microsoft for their crappy security. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jacque at fruitioninc.com Thu Sep 20 14:27:49 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next Meeting In-Reply-To: <20010920142543.L27141@real-time.com> Message-ID: > > Why do people blame the Internet and hackers for this virus, when > really they > should blame Microsoft for their crappy security. > or Why linux needs a better PR and marketing army. ~j From dante at plethora.net Thu Sep 20 14:23:38 2001 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] boot disk In-Reply-To: <000801c141f8$55999d30$66baa318@genx> Message-ID: On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, Erick Stohr wrote: > Is there a linux utility to make a boot disk? > Mine went bad somehow and cannot boot into my system > but am using the linuxcare cd to see things. thanks. > One way to create a boot disk is as follows: dd if={Kernel Image} of=/dev/fd0 The resulting boot disk can then be reconfigured using "rdev" if it is from a system with a different root partition than the one being rescued. There are tools to create more sophisticated boot disks, but this method works quickly and is distribution independent. Daniel Taylor From doug at northlandstudios.com Thu Sep 20 14:46:12 2001 From: doug at northlandstudios.com (Doug) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next Meeting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Or how a patch for stupidity and laziness can be created. Since nimba wouldn't be an issue if people would just patch their damn software. (but yes linux also needs a better and larger PR and marketing army) -- Doug Henry, MCSE/MCP+I Senior Applications Developer/DBA Gage Impact Incentives doug_henry@gage.com (work) doug@northlandstudios.com (personal) -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jacqueline Urick Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 2:28 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Next Meeting > > Why do people blame the Internet and hackers for this virus, when > really they > should blame Microsoft for their crappy security. > or Why linux needs a better PR and marketing army. ~j _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Sep 20 14:45:46 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] boot disk In-Reply-To: <000801c141f8$55999d30$66baa318@genx> References: <000801c141f8$55999d30$66baa318@genx> Message-ID: <20010920144546.A22314@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Sep 20, 2001 at 12:18:57PM -0500, Erick Stohr wrote: > Is there a linux utility to make a boot disk? Mine went bad somehow and cannot boot into my system but am using the linuxcare cd to see things. thanks. Yes, there are utilities that make bootdisks. What distribution are you using? Debian's is /usr/sbin/mkboot and it should probably work if you boot with the Linuxcare CD (which I assume is some version of the Bootable Business Card - BBC). If you're not using Debian, there are probably tools on the BBC to do it, but I don't have my BBC handy to check (oh, the shame of it all :) ). -- Jim Crumley | Free Dmitry Sklyarov! crumley@fields.space.umn.edu | http://freesklyarov.org/ Work: 612 624-6804 or -0378 | From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Sep 20 16:06:34 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next Meeting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, Doug wrote: > Or how a patch for stupidity and laziness can be created. Since nimba > wouldn't be an issue if people would just patch their damn software. I blame Microsoft for not properly informing people that they need to patch. I subscribe to the Security Bulletins list (for the humor.. some of them are damn funny) and there has been NO MENTION of how to secure your server. Go to Microsoft.com, off on the right side in small print is the link to the IE and IIS patch pages. These are new patches and there hasn't been ANY notification from Microsoft that they exist and they need to be applied, other than a small link on their home page. Most people I've talked to the last few days have had trouble finding finding it, so I know it's not just me. These worms work because most hackers realize that unpatched machines exist. Some are laziness and ignorance from an admin standpoint, yes, but IMHO Microsoft is not making the proper effort to inform their customers of new security flaws and the need to patch. I learned more about the need to patch from the linux community these last couple days than from Microsoft. I call that negligence. What I learned from the MS Security Bulletins: If anyone feels like being mean to a Win2K laptop, set up your linux laptop and point the IR ports at each other. Do an irdaping from the linux laptop. The Win2K machine will BSOD. They've released a fix but I believe it's only in SP2, which most people have uninstalled because it makes things worse. I have yet to confirm that this works though. -Brian From Phillip.J.Crump at WellsFargo.COM Thu Sep 20 16:10:53 2001 From: Phillip.J.Crump at WellsFargo.COM (Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SO and saving to zip Message-ID: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E06834D3B@msgmsp15.norwest.com> I'm having the same problem w/ my zip drive as well.. I can't figure it out either.. It happens when I try to create directories, delete files or create files -- puzzled - Phillip > -----Original Message----- > From: Shawn Fertch [SMTP:fertch@mninter.net] > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 1:32 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] SO and saving to zip > > Okay, this sounds kinda stupid, but why can't I change a file on my zip > drive? I can write a file to it, but can't change it when I'm in Star > Office. I can vi a text file, modify it and save it. Yet, SO can't save. > > Keeps coming up saying I don't have permissions. > > Fstab entry: > /dev/sda4 /zip vfat noauto,rw,users 0 0 > > unmounted prop's: > drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Sep 11 08:14 zip > > Mounted props: > drwxr-xr-x 10 shawnf users 16384 Dec 31 1969 zip > > --- > Shawn > > "Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must > do." > -Bruce Lee > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blayer at qwest.net Thu Sep 20 16:11:48 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer meeting tonight (Thursday) at DiGidio's Message-ID: <20010920161148.4f809e2e.blayer@qwest.net> I should be in the bar at DiGidio's a little after 6:00pm. People who do not attend will be talked about. When a few of us arrive, we can get some tables. Just in case you missed the link to DiGidio's, here it is again: http://twincities.citysearch.com/profile/5518868/ Be there, or be rhombic. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From josh at greentechnologist.org Thu Sep 20 16:30:41 2001 From: josh at greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] boot disk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Erick, The old bootloader code in the kernel works ok for those people with standard floppy drives. The problem is, there's an assumption that floppy drives have only two logical heads and that isn't true for the newer larger capacity drives. I tried to get the boot loader to recognize >2 heads but I ran up against a space constraint. There are exactly two bytes of slack space and nuttin to do about it. ;-) That just means if you wanted to use something that will work in fancier drives go use a fancier boot loader. (tho the ASM code in the bootloader is great fun to work with) Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free speech is simply staggering." - Paul Cantrell, St Paul area software developer On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, Daniel Taylor wrote: > On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, Erick Stohr wrote: > > > Is there a linux utility to make a boot disk? > > Mine went bad somehow and cannot boot into my system > > but am using the linuxcare cd to see things. thanks. > > > One way to create a boot disk is as follows: > > dd if={Kernel Image} of=/dev/fd0 > > The resulting boot disk can then be reconfigured using "rdev" > if it is from a system with a different root partition than > the one being rescued. > > There are tools to create more sophisticated boot disks, but > this method works quickly and is distribution independent. > > Daniel Taylor > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tmechanic at mn.mediaone.net Thu Sep 20 16:41:37 2001 From: tmechanic at mn.mediaone.net (B T) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer meeting tonight (Thursday) at DiGidio's References: <20010920161148.4f809e2e.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3BAA6291.4AD9C9E7@mn.mediaone.net> WooHoo, a meeting I'll actually be in town for. From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Sep 20 16:53:40 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 8.1 RC1 released Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDEF3@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> If you haven't seen yet, Mandrake 8.1 RC1 has been released. Many of the mirrors are currently slow, but if someone else wants to mirror it, I can upload my copy (2 iso's). It supports XFS, JFS, ReiserFS, and ext3 for journaling filesystems. KDE 2.2.1, Gnome 1.4, kernel 2.4.8 with a bunch of custom mods for the journaling stuff, DevFS (which comes with the "dynamic" package which will add icons to your desktop when you insert a floppy, cd, or zip disk), and a bunch of other fun stuff. Mandrake 8.0 would have been a good release, but they were so busy trying to get it out the door, they missed a ton of bugs in it. From the looks of it, 8.1 won't suffer from this as they've had a frequent beta release cycle (~1 per week), and many many bugs have been fixed during the beta period. If you haven't tried mandrake before, now is the time to check it out. A lot of people complain that Mandrake is for the beginner and not for experienced linux users. It's true that it's easy to install and use (and it's pretty), but it come with plenty of tools and is probably more powerful than many other out of the box distributions. I particularly like that when I install it, I don't have to comb the net looking for the tools I frequently use because they are installed by default. Jay From wilcoxon at bridge.com Thu Sep 20 17:26:36 2001 From: wilcoxon at bridge.com (Stephen R. Wilcoxon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Total OT: Playing games In-Reply-To: Message from Yaron of "Sat, 15 Sep 2001 02:44:55 CDT." References: Message-ID: <200109202226.SAA00624@mnmailhost> On Sat 2001/09/15 02:44:55 CDT, Yaron writes: > On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Mark Browne wrote: > > > ME boots much slower after I added 256mb of memory! > > I expected the slowdown on memeory POST but what the heck is the OS doing > > with it? > > I dunno, I have 1 gb of RAM and that totally _killed_ Win98, which ME > actually is. If you have over 512MB that'll pretty much kill Windows > <2000... you have to fool it into thinking you have less. Actually, it seems to be anything over 256MB makes Win98 unhappy. I'm running Win98SE on one machine and just upped it to 384MB and now it is slower booting and pauses at random intervals for a short period (<1 sec). It also seems to cause MS Photo Editor (the one shipped with Office XP) to crash and immediately cause a BSOD at random points. Before anybody asks, I'm reasonably sure the memory is good. The post check and chkmem (dos program for checking memory) say good -- Norton Utilities says there is a problem, but I'm guessing something else isn't playing nice (I keep meaning to try Norton under Safe mode but haven't gotten around to it). From seg at haxxed.com Thu Sep 20 18:18:43 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 8.1 RC1 released References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDEF3@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <3BAA7953.4060704@haxxed.com> > A lot of people complain that Mandrake is for the beginner and not for > experienced linux users. It's true that it's easy to install and use (and > it's pretty), but it come with plenty of tools and is probably more powerful > than many other out of the box distributions. I particularly like that when > I install it, I don't have to comb the net looking for the tools I > frequently use because they are installed by default. I complain that its development environment is horribly, terribly broken. Has this been fixed? From tanner at real-time.com Thu Sep 20 22:17:15 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Finally! Gartner says dump IIS! Message-ID: <20010920221715.A16214@real-time.com> http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-201-7239473-0.html?tag=nbs About time a main stream media knows what we all know. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dd-b at dd-b.net Thu Sep 20 22:35:08 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] rogue DHCP server In-Reply-To: <20010912103236.S21158@real-time.com> References: <20010912103236.S21158@real-time.com> Message-ID: Amy Tanner writes: > On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 10:33:41AM -0500, Troy.A Johnson (troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us) wrote: > > Amy, > > > > If you have a linux box you can use DHCP on I think > > it should show up in the logs, but the device might be > > using a 192.168.1.X address. > > > > I would look for a little hardware device that is > > supposed to just route, serve up printers, or be NAS > > and it might be on the list of possible culprits. > > Yes, I realize that's probably what it is - in the past I've found > ISDN routers and such that do this. However, I'm wondering if > there are any tools other than walking around and physically looking > for such a device. Tools that might indicate what the device is? Packet sniffer? Find the traffic where some rogue device is answering the request, and you can get the IP and ethernet address of it. This gets more, um, interesting on a network segmented with switches, of course. And finding the actual device from the IP and/or ethernet address can be challenging still. I think maybe in a *modern* switched network with managed switches and suitable software you can just ask what segment that hardware address is on, but I don't work in that environment so my knowledge is strictly theoretical. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ From dd-b at dd-b.net Thu Sep 20 22:53:21 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LaBrea In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDECB@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDECB@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: Looks cool, but Opera 5.12 (Windows) crashes when I click on the LaBrea page at hackgusters. Oh well. -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ From dd-b at dd-b.net Thu Sep 20 23:20:05 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DNS configuration problem Message-ID: I have essentially the same problem on a Redhat 6.2 server and a 7.1 server. It took me a while to notice, and I can't pinpoint anything I changed that seems relevant. The problem is: reverse DNS on my static IP addresses doesn't work through my local DNS servers. It *does* work throughout the rest of the net, so far as I can tell (I've got an outside account, and it even works when I simply point my local tools at an outside server), and I *can* do reverse lookup on *other* IP addresses; just not my own. Each of the servers is dual-homed (on one NIC); gw.dd-b.net is 63.224.10.74 and 10.0.0.205. ns2.dd-b.net is 63.224.10.73 and 10.0.0.200. Here are some real examples, run on the 6.2 system: gw:Mail> host gw.dd-b.net gw.dd-b.net has address 63.224.10.74 gw.dd-b.net mail is handled (pri=12849) by ns2.dd-b.net gw.dd-b.net mail is handled (pri=12833) by mail.dd-b.net That's my main server. gw:Mail> host 63.224.10.74 Host not found. I can't do reverse lookup on it locally (resolv.conf says 127.0.0.1, then 10.0.0.200). gw:Mail> host 63.224.10.74 ns3.qwest.net Using domain server: Name: ns3.qwest.net Address: 63.226.138.15 Aliases: 74.10.224.63.IN-ADDR.ARPA domain name pointer gw.dd-b.net Reverse lookup works fine through an outside server, though. gw:Mail> host 216.239.37.100 100.37.239.216.IN-ADDR.ARPA domain name pointer www.google.com I can do reverse DNS on *other* addresses just fine! (which is why it took a while to notice this problem). gw:Mail> host visi.com visi.com has address 209.98.98.8 visi.com mail is handled (pri=20) by denv.mx.visi.com visi.com mail is handled (pri=10) by mta.mc.mpls.visi.com gw:Mail> host 209.98.98.8 8.98.98.209.IN-ADDR.ARPA domain name pointer isis.visi.com Another working reverse lookup. Things are similar on the 7.1 server. Note that 6.2 is bind 8 and 7.1 is bind 9. gw is primary DNS for a few dozen domains, ns2 is secondary DNS for most of them. This is obviously some configuration glitch of mine, but I can't figure it out. I've thrashed around and tried a bunch of things, but haven't learned anything useful that I can see yet. Help! Oh, hosts.txt looks like this (essentially the same on both systems except for swapping a couple of addresses): 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain 63.224.10.78 nat nat.dd-b.net 10.0.0.200 ns2 ns2.dd-b.net 10.0.0.205 gw ns gw.dd-b.net 10.0.0.0 INSIDE # Network 63.224.10.72 OUTSIDE # Network -- David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd-b@dd-b.net Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ From tanner at real-time.com Fri Sep 21 00:14:27 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS license calculator? Message-ID: <20010921001427.O27666@real-time.com> Any MS license calculators out there, NOT on www.microsoft.com? Looking to direct clients to it so they can see what this Open Business License will cost them. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From mbresnah at visi.com Fri Sep 21 02:52:42 2001 From: mbresnah at visi.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Finally! Gartner says dump IIS! In-Reply-To: <20010920221715.A16214@real-time.com> Message-ID: This article brought on an interesting thought. That's assume for a second that all web servers have the same number of security bugs in them, found and unfound. Let's also assume that there are more instances of IIS on the internet than any other web server. In such a world it is much more efficient for a virus writer to target IIS than any other web server, because for a given amount of work looking for bugs to exploit the total number of infections is likely to be higher. Thus we can conclude that we would expect far more virus infections of IIS than any other webserver, therefore IIS is a lower quality web server and we should use something else. This is interesting because even though IIS's source code is of the same quality of the other webservers, its runtime quality is much lower. In other words, the code has the same number of bugs, but the number of exploited bugs is higher. So it is IIS's popularity that is it's downfall. An analogy can be made to biology. If all humans shared the same DNA, then the chance of the entire population being wiped out by a single disease/virus/becteria is quite high. Our diversity keeps us alive. So are the recent IIS worms an argument for diversity? I think so, at least if security is your only criteria. Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Bob Tanner > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 8:17 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Finally! Gartner says dump IIS! > > > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-201-7239473-0.html?tag=nbs > > About time a main stream media knows what we all know. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Sep 21 00:55:36 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Finally! Gartner says dump IIS! In-Reply-To: References: <20010920221715.A16214@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010921005536.N18850@ringworld.org> * Mike Bresnahan [010921 00:49]: > quality of the other webservers, its runtime quality is much lower. In > other words, the code has the same number of bugs, but the number of > exploited bugs is higher. So it is IIS's popularity that is it's downfall. Except that Apache is still the most popular webserver. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net "History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." - Justice Thurgood Marshall (1989) From fertch at mninter.net Fri Sep 21 07:21:21 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SO and saving to zip In-Reply-To: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E06834D3B@msgmsp15.norwest.com> References: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E06834D3B@msgmsp15.norwest.com> Message-ID: <01092107212100.00245@bleys> On Thursday 20 September 2001 16:10, Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM wrote: > I'm having the same problem w/ my zip drive as well.. I can't figure it out > either.. It happens when I try to create directories, delete files or > create files > I'm only having the problems within Star Office. I can mkdir, vi, cp, etc outside of Star Office with basic commands. However, if it's creating or modifying files outside of SO that you're having problems with, try looking at my fstab entry. Note, however that it's an external Zip drive. My other machine doesn't have SO on it yet, so I'm not able to test if the internal Zip will have the same problems. You may have to modify it to /dev/hda4 or something liek that if it's internal. * My original post is below for reference. In rereading it, it's not exactly clear. Shawn > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Shawn Fertch [SMTP:fertch@mninter.net] > > > > Okay, this sounds kinda stupid, but why can't I change a file on my zip > > drive? I can write a file to it, but can't change it when I'm in Star > > Office. I can vi a text file, modify it and save it. Yet, SO can't > > save. > > > > Keeps coming up saying I don't have permissions. > > > > Fstab entry: > > /dev/sda4 /zip vfat noauto,rw,users 0 0 > > > > unmounted prop's: > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Sep 11 08:14 zip > > > > Mounted props: > > drwxr-xr-x 10 shawnf users 16384 Dec 31 1969 zip From nate at techie.com Fri Sep 21 07:31:08 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Finally! Gartner says dump IIS! In-Reply-To: <20010921005536.N18850@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Fri, Sep 21, 2001 at 12:55:36AM -0500 References: <20010920221715.A16214@real-time.com> <20010921005536.N18850@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010921073108.C24733@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Fri, Sep 21, 2001 at 12:55:36AM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: > * Mike Bresnahan [010921 00:49]: > > quality of the other webservers, its runtime quality is much lower. In > > other words, the code has the same number of bugs, but the number of > > exploited bugs is higher. So it is IIS's popularity that is it's downfall. > > Except that Apache is still the most popular webserver. And to back that up, http://www.netcraft.com/ Nate From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Fri Sep 21 07:44:31 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Finally! Gartner says dump IIS! In-Reply-To: ; from mbresnah@visi.com on Fri, Sep 21, 2001 at 12:52:42AM -0700 References: <20010920221715.A16214@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010921074431.A23854@trammell.dyndns.org> On Fri, Sep 21, 2001 at 12:52:42AM -0700, Mike Bresnahan wrote: [snip] > An analogy can be made to biology. If all humans shared the same DNA, > then the chance of the entire population being wiped out by a single > disease/virus/becteria is quite high. Our diversity keeps us alive. > So are the recent IIS worms an argument for diversity? I think so, at > least if security is your only criteria. That's occurred to me too -- we're setting ourselves up for a digital Potato Blight. Of course, it's Billy Boy who's causing it, because his closed standards enforce monopoly and thus monoculture. Lucky thing the potato interface has open licensing. :-) From jay at slushpupie.com Fri Sep 21 08:31:04 2001 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco PIX VPN Client and NAT Message-ID: <20010921133206.BZZT26354.femail35.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> I recently installed and set up the Cisco VPN client for their PIX firewalls. I have to say I was very impressed, I was up and running in no time at all, no errors (except one in the startup script written for Red Hat, I run Debian- it was minor). Anyway, I have a small network at home, behind a firewall and would like to have all of these computers be able to access the VPN. Does anyone know if I can just use iptables with the Cisco client? Or does anyone have any experience doing this? I noticed that when I am connected to the VPN, my routing tables do not change, nor do any of my network device configs. In fact, I cant seem to figure out how the system knows to grab the packets for it. I have never used IPTables, but I did use IPchains a lot, and it seems to me you would need to have a device configured to be on the network(s) befor you can do routing to/from it. Anyone else have thoughts on this? Jay -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- You are magnetic in your bearing. From lbehrens at boolion.com Fri Sep 21 09:04:20 2001 From: lbehrens at boolion.com (Lee J. Behrens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Total OT: Playing games Message-ID: If you bought cheap (which is also often the less expensive off-brand choice) memory, that could be part of your problem. As an example, one year I bought a machine to be used as a server from one of the area's favorite stores. (I'll keep the name to myself, because they could have just gotten a bad batch.) Included were two sticks of 128 MB. Well, it didn't take long for BackOffice Small Business Server to BSOD during the install. After a few tries I began to notice that what was dying was different almost every time.... the SCSI driver, the kernel, etc. Anyway, to make an agonizing story short, it turned out both sticks were bad.... but problems would only show up under specific circumstances (start Exchange Server, then SQL Server, but not the other way around, etc.). Once I tossed both sticks with a better known brand (from a different store) the server's been running just fine. Lee Behrens Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Total OT: Playing games Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 17:26:36 -0500 From: "Stephen R. Wilcoxon" Actually, it seems to be anything over 256MB makes Win98 unhappy. I'm running Win98SE on one machine and just upped it to 384MB and now it is slower booting and pauses at random intervals for a short period (<1 sec). It also seems to cause MS Photo Editor (the one shipped with Office XP) to crash and immediately cause a BSOD at random points. Before anybody asks, I'm reasonably sure the memory is good. The post check and chkmem (dos program for checking memory) say good -- Norton Utilities says there is a problem, but I'm guessing something else isn't playing nice (I keep meaning to try Norton under Safe mode but haven't gotten around to it). From eng at pinenet.com Fri Sep 21 09:06:08 2001 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux controller for fuel cells; progress! Message-ID: <20010921.14060800@linwin.mshome.net> Some top politicos are now urging the Gov to reach out to fuel cell mfrs. Ford was mentioned, with a potential billion dollar investment. I mentioned this group's talent pool for developing a controller (forgive me). Some serious work is being done on embedded Linux systems. Real mode kernels are being used. Most development is focused on small appliances. A large process controller would not be so constrained. My feeling is; 1) Use protected mode, multitasking Linux PC to "manage" 2) multiple real mode Linux x86 add-on cards. Quite a variety of x86 embedded cards exist. Some are complete 486 computers on a chip with full I/O, memory, etc., and plug into ISA slots. Perhaps DOS could be used for the embedded card? Lot's of questions! From homebrewmike at yahoo.com Thu Sep 20 09:44:16 2001 From: homebrewmike at yahoo.com (Mike White) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cat 5 Y-adapters? In-Reply-To: <200109192031.f8JKVTc27286@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010920144416.68858.qmail@web10207.mail.yahoo.com> > Is there such thing as a Y adapter that I > could split 1 Cat5 run into 2 ethernet lines? I saw something like that at Home Depot. I forget the cost, though. Why can't you just toss another line? Might be cheaper than the cost of two y adapers or a cheapy hub. Cheers- -Mike __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ From homebrewmike at yahoo.com Fri Sep 21 10:32:59 2001 From: homebrewmike at yahoo.com (Mike White) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Finally! Gartner says dump IIS! Message-ID: <20010921153259.57946.qmail@web10203.mail.yahoo.com> >http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-201-7239473-0.html?tag=nbs >About time a main stream media knows what we all know. On the other hand, if you're stuck in a Windows shop, perhaps this is just the thing to send to your IS Department or CIO :) __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ From homebrewmike at yahoo.com Fri Sep 21 10:27:46 2001 From: homebrewmike at yahoo.com (Mike White) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Finally! Gartner says dump IIS! Message-ID: <20010921152746.39547.qmail@web10204.mail.yahoo.com> >About time a main stream media knows what we all know. Now, if only the main stream media would stop listening to Gartner. Those bozos are what helped MS's popularity in the first place. __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ From rechpj at earthlink.net Sat Sep 22 07:31:05 2001 From: rechpj at earthlink.net (Paul Rech) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] McLeodUSA question Message-ID: <3BAC8489.3DA8FC80@earthlink.net> Just got a flyer from McLeodUSA about phone and internet service. I remember someone posted here that they switched over to McLeod. I'd like to get some feedback on how that's worked out. Did you get local phone service? Does this mean you can get rid of Qwest? Did you get Internet access from them also? Thanks, Paul Rech From chrome at real-time.com Sat Sep 22 09:51:36 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Finally! Gartner says dump IIS! In-Reply-To: <20010920221715.A16214@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Sep 20, 2001 at 10:17:15PM -0500 References: <20010920221715.A16214@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010922095131.A25681@real-time.com> > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-201-7239473-0.html?tag=nbs "Gartner remains concerned that viruses and worms will continue to attack IIS until Microsoft has released a completely rewritten release of ISS that is thoroughly and publicly tested." I like the 'publicly tested' part of that. of course, we all know that the best form of 'public testing' is Open Source; and that MS will never do that. :) Now we just need to convince The Gartner Group of that. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From jim at herrick.net Sat Sep 22 09:56:08 2001 From: jim at herrick.net (Jim Herrick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Finally! Gartner says dump IIS! References: <200109211701.f8LH1Rc10817@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <018b01c14376$b750eae0$d129a541@heybuildmysite.com> > Except that Apache is still the most popular webserver. Tough to say. Are they counting the server types of functioning "web sites" or the number of installations of HTTP servers. I say this because - basically any NT 4.0 server or Windows 2000 machine has a very good chance of IIS being installed and running. I think THIS is the problem with IIS. You might not even KNOW you have a vulnerable machine! Jim From evisuale at mn.mediaone.net Sat Sep 22 10:17:49 2001 From: evisuale at mn.mediaone.net (Erick Stohr) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] broken system Message-ID: <000801c14379$bdc9d730$66baa318@genx> I am getting this erro message when booting my linux system, happens when the partitions are being checked: request_module[block-major-8]:Root fs not mounted VFS: Cannot open root file device 08:32 Kernal panic VFS Unable to mount root fs on 08:32 Any ideas? I have booted and looked at the system with "rescue" mode and run fsck on the partitions, but have no idea what else to do. thanks for any help. Erick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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[mike@3po][~]$ ls -l /dev|egrep '8, +32' brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 32 Apr 14 19:43 sdc Looks like your LILO configuration is telling the kernel to mount /dev/sdc as the root device. This is probably wrong, as very few people use the whole disk. Most of the time, you use a partition, referenced like /dev/sdc1. If you remember what device your root partition is on, you can try to tell the kernel where it is at the LILO prompt by typing `linux root=/dev/sdc1' or whatever is appropriate for your system. Someone should really make a patch to the kernel that searches for a partition that looks like a root device, or allows the user to select one if several seem to exist.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ We all live in a yellow / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ subroutine. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have booted and looked at the system with "rescue" mode and run fsck on the partitions, but have no idea what else to do. thanks for any help. Erick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010922/14cd3bc0/attachment.html From dsherman at real-time.com Sat Sep 22 12:57:46 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Finally! Gartner says dump IIS! In-Reply-To: <018b01c14376$b750eae0$d129a541@heybuildmysite.com> References: <200109211701.f8LH1Rc10817@sprite.real-time.com> <018b01c14376$b750eae0$d129a541@heybuildmysite.com> Message-ID: <1001181471.1681.5.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> On Sat, 2001-09-22 at 09:56, Jim Herrick wrote: > > Except that Apache is still the most popular webserver. > > > Tough to say. Are they counting the server types of functioning "web sites" > or the number of installations of HTTP servers. There are two sets of statistics for web servers. One set shows the number of domains running under each server (Apache, IIS, Netscape, etc.), and Apache wins. The other shows the number of IP addresses (because, of course, each http server may run multiple virtual domains), and again, Apache wins. I don't remember the numbers off-hand, but I know Apache is still ahead in publicly-available web servers. If IIS is running on LAN servers but is unavailable from outside the LAN (i.e., the Internet), then it really isn't worth counting anyway. > I say this because - basically any NT 4.0 server or Windows 2000 machine has > a very good chance of IIS being installed and running. I think THIS is the > problem with IIS. You might not even KNOW you have a vulnerable machine! This is certainly possible, although I *think* that even if IIS is automatically installed, it must be configured to run -- the default is to *not* run unless you tell it to. I could be wrong on this. 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Name: not available Type: application/octet-stream Size: 1113 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010922/fa4023d9/attachment.obj From fish at slava.net Sat Sep 22 20:15:17 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] installation problems Message-ID: <3BAD37A5.8040109@slava.net> Hi. I'm new to the list, and fairly new to Linux. My friend helped me install Slackware 7.1 a while back, and he promised to help me get started, but then he moved to Ohio. I've been slowly trying to figure it out myself, but I was pretty excited to discover this group. I saw a flyer for this month's meeting, but couldn't make it. Hopefully next month. Anyway.... I'm trying to install a program, and I'm running into some problems. There is no README or INSTALL file, nor is there a configure... so I tried just doing a make and I get errors. Basically there are some include statements of the form #include"X11/whatever.h" and the compiler doesn't know where to find the folder X11. I can type in the entire pathname, but that's pretty tedious because there are so many of these, and I know one of you experienced people will know how to fix it, right? :) I have more questions, but I'll keep it simple for now. Thanks in advance! Lorry From thomas at stderr.net Sat Sep 22 20:24:06 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] installation problems In-Reply-To: <3BAD37A5.8040109@slava.net>; from fish@slava.net on Sat, Sep 22, 2001 at 08:15:17PM -0500 References: <3BAD37A5.8040109@slava.net> Message-ID: <20010923032406.A64018@io.stderr.net> On Sat, Sep 22, 2001 at 08:15:17PM -0500, Lorry wrote: > Hi. I'm new to the list, and fairly new to Linux. My friend helped me > install Slackware 7.1 a while back, and he promised to help me get > started, but then he moved to Ohio. I've been slowly trying to figure > it out myself, but I was pretty excited to discover this group. I saw a > flyer for this month's meeting, but couldn't make it. Hopefully next month. > Anyway.... I'm trying to install a program, and I'm running into some > problems. There is no README or INSTALL file, nor is there a > configure... so I tried just doing a make and I get errors. Basically > there are some include statements of the form #include"X11/whatever.h" > and the compiler doesn't know where to find the folder X11. I can type > in the entire pathname, but that's pretty tedious because there are so > many of these, and I know one of you experienced people will know how to > fix it, right? :) I have more questions, but I'll keep it simple for > now. Thanks in advance! Not having much experience with recent slackware version I can't offer much help but saying that you might be needing some X libraries. What program are you trying to install and where did you find it? What I would suggest is attending the upcoming install fest where I'm sure we can solve whatever problems you might have plus more. Speaking of install fest, when are we going to have it? -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From fish at slava.net Sat Sep 22 20:38:19 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] installation problems References: <3BAD37A5.8040109@slava.net> <20010923032406.A64018@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <3BAD3D0B.2020702@slava.net> > > Not having much experience with recent slackware version I can't offer > much help but saying that you might be needing some X libraries. > > What program are you trying to install and where did you find it? > > What I would suggest is attending the upcoming install fest where I'm > sure we can solve whatever problems you might have plus more. > > Speaking of install fest, when are we going to have it? > I found all the files that it wants to include, it just doesn't know where to find them because it says X11/whatever.h instead of the entire pathname blah/blah/blah/include/X11/whatever.h I put the entire pathname in one and it worked, but the file that it included had the same problem, so I figured that was a can of worms I'd rather leave closed. The program is wmMoonclock, and I found it on the following site via a search on freshmeat: http://nis-www.lanl.gov/~mgh/WindowMaker/DockApps.shtml Note the complete lack of installation help/info on that page. Install fest sounds good... especially if it lasts long enough for me to sort out all my linux troubles. ;) Lorry From thomas at stderr.net Sat Sep 22 20:49:52 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] installation problems In-Reply-To: <3BAD3D0B.2020702@slava.net>; from fish@slava.net on Sat, Sep 22, 2001 at 08:38:19PM -0500 References: <3BAD37A5.8040109@slava.net> <20010923032406.A64018@io.stderr.net> <3BAD3D0B.2020702@slava.net> Message-ID: <20010923034952.C64018@io.stderr.net> On Sat, Sep 22, 2001 at 08:38:19PM -0500, Lorry wrote: > I found all the files that it wants to include, it just doesn't know > where to find them because it says X11/whatever.h instead of the entire > pathname blah/blah/blah/include/X11/whatever.h > I put the entire pathname in one and it worked, but the file that it > included had the same problem, so I figured that was a can of worms I'd > rather leave closed. Try changing this in Makefile: INCDIR= -I/usr/X11R6/include/X11 to: INCDIR= -I/path/to/where/you/found/those/hfiles And then try 'make' again, if that fails report what error you got.. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From tl at assimilated.org Sat Sep 22 20:55:24 2001 From: tl at assimilated.org (tim lupfer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] installation problems In-Reply-To: <3BAD37A5.8040109@slava.net> References: <3BAD37A5.8040109@slava.net> Message-ID: <15277.16652.146647.652089@matilda.assimilated.org> >>>>> "Lorry" == Lorry writes: [snip] Lorry> make and I get errors. Basically there are some include Lorry> statements of the form #include"X11/whatever.h" and the Lorry> compiler doesn't know where to find the folder X11. I can Lorry> type in the entire pathname, but that's pretty tedious You may need to do this as root ln -s /usr/X11R6/include/X11 /usr/include/X11 It will create a symbolic link in /usr/include to the X11 includes. -- ============================================== timothy lupfer http://www.assimilated.org tl@assimilated.org tlupfe01@euclid.hamline.edu ============================================== Best of all is never to have been born. Second best is to die soon. From fish at slava.net Sat Sep 22 21:06:37 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] installation problems References: <3BAD37A5.8040109@slava.net> <15277.16652.146647.652089@matilda.assimilated.org> Message-ID: <3BAD43AD.3010906@slava.net> Woo hoo! That worked! You've made a very happy Lorry. Thank you so much! tim lupfer wrote: > You may need to do this as root From spencer at autonomous.tv Sat Sep 22 21:46:44 2001 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (spencer underground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Key Message-ID: <20010922214644.A22478@autonomous.tv> I guess I was just a *bit* over cautious with my previous post. Here is the public key. -- SpencerUnderground -------------- next part -------------- -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org mQGiBDutIBcRBACNQRQtmqAetEqmyFdX5ZecgE4rsGZUDY0hBaeha7KdMR0Vb3Yl IRHaOB8XWIwFBgnGHxN8uA6xBCi70ZKrhg9vZMvMcnBg0DJVlMdakQxdOaLyehnP R+eexD2RG3fAAGK/8chz62bhVgVWzhxE6k+uTzScs6yrz5ZP9qANRJLc2wCgxahW TVplZH31LF6kAkQI3pAkxVMD/32yE9Z3rvPDNkoVJ82CsWAgD9A7w8eZsQ9SMTUw BWC97EIWZbogPt9FngGaGpM2ZsfrEinUMJeSuf/1u2b3LyFWCzxoLsBhQb7G2sF8 exDAr2iJ3dCGNeaVKfK+Ywp+0QN5d8PXiCNXISKhIdZUJMG59bb0gd2qBcH2upsq o4uBA/4wNw3I5uBQONwfIxI2NNOdAQPPCDakCKGIHExMZBECnK1L+1k+5K5qfo/5 5y0l2JxY2Uuz4HuuLdK7+MGpmEXtSsgQHEWgv0oeTqTgV8/8Qbqg43a1P+luoiPd Siy9LAXOLI+zv7M11b1XMkKPgoc1a1+Q/nwZQmYUYQVxOHpAhbQ4U3BlbmNlclVu ZGVyZ3JvdW5kIChTZWN1cml0eS4uLikgPHNwZW5jZXJAYXV0b25vbW91cy50dj6I XQQTEQIAHQUCO60gFwUJAO1OAAULBwoDBAMVAwIDFgIBAheAAAoJELMgeN+/Auw4 Lm0AoIs5F4wn+WihU4nqwqZCUlVCsUl+AJwPRFWPGL9ziL4Ge+/XY/MgDfIYgbkB DQQ7rSAeEAQAjMJ26iHAPi4vvH+KOWVSjILOAW45xmhCHhsZrrQfRhdrGMQLfTmU F8hReKLQ3TvAjNVXplqZeOH6xJoWc0H6TKqxCh8cTn59EYmUmztIdng9+VPTSfIb p2v64hOMMCQBbND97CZrZYf7H2KIERMx2LT8b/UhQ1pVZn4nlVw/TTcAAwUD/AyE rJG2YoE0WVEGqXb77H15KHtJUziWsHexhBa6fAX/U53rVKa/PmM1hEOQKQhxXTrv 4cnPmdnvHYF1TxRAkqDFeBlAxfHDmtyvrPqjTx2viUIUTkzyDRZpmWScqyBm7puR 2sbcuqCXZwXC1V1OerPtSm84nMQVrAxAoOe49XBHiEwEGBECAAwFAjutIB4FCQDt TgAACgkQsyB4378C7DgUPACfTie4KewNiud/iOFQwOR0T5z5lpQAnRKlZWHDWsFA NHKcllz/fDh1ppFg =Re6l -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sat Sep 22 22:13:24 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Key In-Reply-To: <20010922214644.A22478@autonomous.tv> References: <20010922214644.A22478@autonomous.tv> Message-ID: <20010922221324.B18850@ringworld.org> /me wonders if you know the exact plain text and the encrypted text, how 'hard' is it to extract the secret key? And you have the public key. Yikes. * spencer underground [010922 21:53]: > I guess I was just a *bit* over cautious with my previous post. Here is > the public key. > > -- > SpencerUnderground > -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > mQGiBDutIBcRBACNQRQtmqAetEqmyFdX5ZecgE4rsGZUDY0hBaeha7KdMR0Vb3Yl > IRHaOB8XWIwFBgnGHxN8uA6xBCi70ZKrhg9vZMvMcnBg0DJVlMdakQxdOaLyehnP > R+eexD2RG3fAAGK/8chz62bhVgVWzhxE6k+uTzScs6yrz5ZP9qANRJLc2wCgxahW > TVplZH31LF6kAkQI3pAkxVMD/32yE9Z3rvPDNkoVJ82CsWAgD9A7w8eZsQ9SMTUw > BWC97EIWZbogPt9FngGaGpM2ZsfrEinUMJeSuf/1u2b3LyFWCzxoLsBhQb7G2sF8 > exDAr2iJ3dCGNeaVKfK+Ywp+0QN5d8PXiCNXISKhIdZUJMG59bb0gd2qBcH2upsq > o4uBA/4wNw3I5uBQONwfIxI2NNOdAQPPCDakCKGIHExMZBECnK1L+1k+5K5qfo/5 > 5y0l2JxY2Uuz4HuuLdK7+MGpmEXtSsgQHEWgv0oeTqTgV8/8Qbqg43a1P+luoiPd > Siy9LAXOLI+zv7M11b1XMkKPgoc1a1+Q/nwZQmYUYQVxOHpAhbQ4U3BlbmNlclVu > ZGVyZ3JvdW5kIChTZWN1cml0eS4uLikgPHNwZW5jZXJAYXV0b25vbW91cy50dj6I > XQQTEQIAHQUCO60gFwUJAO1OAAULBwoDBAMVAwIDFgIBAheAAAoJELMgeN+/Auw4 > Lm0AoIs5F4wn+WihU4nqwqZCUlVCsUl+AJwPRFWPGL9ziL4Ge+/XY/MgDfIYgbkB > DQQ7rSAeEAQAjMJ26iHAPi4vvH+KOWVSjILOAW45xmhCHhsZrrQfRhdrGMQLfTmU > F8hReKLQ3TvAjNVXplqZeOH6xJoWc0H6TKqxCh8cTn59EYmUmztIdng9+VPTSfIb > p2v64hOMMCQBbND97CZrZYf7H2KIERMx2LT8b/UhQ1pVZn4nlVw/TTcAAwUD/AyE > rJG2YoE0WVEGqXb77H15KHtJUziWsHexhBa6fAX/U53rVKa/PmM1hEOQKQhxXTrv > 4cnPmdnvHYF1TxRAkqDFeBlAxfHDmtyvrPqjTx2viUIUTkzyDRZpmWScqyBm7puR > 2sbcuqCXZwXC1V1OerPtSm84nMQVrAxAoOe49XBHiEwEGBECAAwFAjutIB4FCQDt > TgAACgkQsyB4378C7DgUPACfTie4KewNiud/iOFQwOR0T5z5lpQAnRKlZWHDWsFA > NHKcllz/fDh1ppFg > =Re6l > -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net "History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." - Justice Thurgood Marshall (1989) From ssinn at qwest.net Sat Sep 22 22:24:17 2001 From: ssinn at qwest.net (Spencer J Sinn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Key In-Reply-To: <20010922221324.B18850@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Sat, Sep 22, 2001 at 10:13:24PM -0500 References: <20010922214644.A22478@autonomous.tv> <20010922221324.B18850@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010922222417.A9599@thor> Can anyone recommend public key servers? Or for that matter, public entropy servers? On Sat, Sep 22, 2001 at 10:13:24PM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: > /me wonders if you know the exact plain text and the encrypted text, how > 'hard' is it to extract the secret key? > > And you have the public key. Yikes. > -- Thanks, Spencer J Sinn From jay at slushpupie.com Sat Sep 22 23:35:23 2001 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Key In-Reply-To: <20010922221324.B18850@ringworld.org> References: <20010922214644.A22478@autonomous.tv> <20010922221324.B18850@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010923043524.SGBW18997.femail26.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Depends.. I dont know much about PGP, but in my last math class we talked about the concept of public/private key encryption, and to break it, even with all that knoledge (with RSA anyway) involves factoring with 2 VERY large pime numbers. It is one of the few ideas that works better in practice than in theroy. Because in theory, somone would be able to do the factoring regardless of the size. In reality, even computers get to numbers of about 100 digits and simply stop being practical for most applications. If you want more info on this, I can dig out my textbook.... Jay On Saturday 22 September 2001 10:13 pm, you wrote: > /me wonders if you know the exact plain text and the encrypted text, how > 'hard' is it to extract the secret key? > > And you have the public key. Yikes. > > * spencer underground [010922 21:53]: > > I guess I was just a *bit* over cautious with my previous post. Here is > > the public key. > > > > -- > > SpencerUnderground > > > > -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) > > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > > > mQGiBDutIBcRBACNQRQtmqAetEqmyFdX5ZecgE4rsGZUDY0hBaeha7KdMR0Vb3Yl > > IRHaOB8XWIwFBgnGHxN8uA6xBCi70ZKrhg9vZMvMcnBg0DJVlMdakQxdOaLyehnP > > R+eexD2RG3fAAGK/8chz62bhVgVWzhxE6k+uTzScs6yrz5ZP9qANRJLc2wCgxahW > > TVplZH31LF6kAkQI3pAkxVMD/32yE9Z3rvPDNkoVJ82CsWAgD9A7w8eZsQ9SMTUw > > BWC97EIWZbogPt9FngGaGpM2ZsfrEinUMJeSuf/1u2b3LyFWCzxoLsBhQb7G2sF8 > > exDAr2iJ3dCGNeaVKfK+Ywp+0QN5d8PXiCNXISKhIdZUJMG59bb0gd2qBcH2upsq > > o4uBA/4wNw3I5uBQONwfIxI2NNOdAQPPCDakCKGIHExMZBECnK1L+1k+5K5qfo/5 > > 5y0l2JxY2Uuz4HuuLdK7+MGpmEXtSsgQHEWgv0oeTqTgV8/8Qbqg43a1P+luoiPd > > Siy9LAXOLI+zv7M11b1XMkKPgoc1a1+Q/nwZQmYUYQVxOHpAhbQ4U3BlbmNlclVu > > ZGVyZ3JvdW5kIChTZWN1cml0eS4uLikgPHNwZW5jZXJAYXV0b25vbW91cy50dj6I > > XQQTEQIAHQUCO60gFwUJAO1OAAULBwoDBAMVAwIDFgIBAheAAAoJELMgeN+/Auw4 > > Lm0AoIs5F4wn+WihU4nqwqZCUlVCsUl+AJwPRFWPGL9ziL4Ge+/XY/MgDfIYgbkB > > DQQ7rSAeEAQAjMJ26iHAPi4vvH+KOWVSjILOAW45xmhCHhsZrrQfRhdrGMQLfTmU > > F8hReKLQ3TvAjNVXplqZeOH6xJoWc0H6TKqxCh8cTn59EYmUmztIdng9+VPTSfIb > > p2v64hOMMCQBbND97CZrZYf7H2KIERMx2LT8b/UhQ1pVZn4nlVw/TTcAAwUD/AyE > > rJG2YoE0WVEGqXb77H15KHtJUziWsHexhBa6fAX/U53rVKa/PmM1hEOQKQhxXTrv > > 4cnPmdnvHYF1TxRAkqDFeBlAxfHDmtyvrPqjTx2viUIUTkzyDRZpmWScqyBm7puR > > 2sbcuqCXZwXC1V1OerPtSm84nMQVrAxAoOe49XBHiEwEGBECAAwFAjutIB4FCQDt > > TgAACgkQsyB4378C7DgUPACfTie4KewNiud/iOFQwOR0T5z5lpQAnRKlZWHDWsFA > > NHKcllz/fDh1ppFg > > =Re6l > > -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- Q: How do you know when you're in the section of Vermont? A: The maple sap buckets are hanging on utility poles. From sextus at visi.com Sun Sep 23 01:04:53 2001 From: sextus at visi.com (Michael Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Key In-Reply-To: <20010922222417.A9599@thor>; from Spencer J Sinn on Sat, Sep 22, 2001 at 10:24:17PM -0500 References: <20010922214644.A22478@autonomous.tv> <20010922221324.B18850@ringworld.org> <20010922222417.A9599@thor> Message-ID: <20010923010452.A16309@visi.com> ON Sat, Sep 22, 2001 at 10:24:17PM -0500, Spencer J Sinn wrote: > Can anyone recommend public key servers? www.keyserver.net is popular. > Or for that matter, public entropy servers? That could be a nutshell description of the universe. If I were paranoid enought to use PGP, however, I'd probably distrust equally any second-hand supplier of randomness. Maybe MS will set up such servers and bundle "Good Enough for John Q. Public Privacy" with XP2002 as part of their antitrust settlement. -- Michael From josh at greentechnologist.org Sun Sep 23 02:07:21 2001 From: josh at greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Key In-Reply-To: <20010922214644.A22478@autonomous.tv> Message-ID: And is there an actual message in that? If you're posting publicly why not post in plain-text? Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free speech is simply staggering." - Paul Cantrell, St Paul area software developer On Sat, 22 Sep 2001, spencer underground wrote: > I guess I was just a *bit* over cautious with my previous post. Here is > the public key. > > -- > SpencerUnderground > From Ben at WorksCited.Net Sun Sep 23 08:35:06 2001 From: Ben at WorksCited.Net (Ben Stallings) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDE config files: who's who? In-Reply-To: <01091710361406.02474@Romana> References: <01091710361406.02474@Romana> Message-ID: <01092308350701.00735@Romana> Hello again. I found the answer to my own question by accident. Since none of you responded, I'll assume you don't know the answer yourselves ;-) so here it is for future reference: the K menu is defined in ~/.kde/share/applnk. In Konquerer, you can hop there by selecting "Applications" from the Go menu, and then you can create and modify the necessary files *without* using the cumbersome menu editor. --Ben On Monday 17 September 2001 10:36, I wrote: > Hi, folks. Yesterday I was reorganizing my K menu when the menu editor > program crashed, and about half my program folders disappeared from both > the menu and the editor (when I had restarted the program). I looked all > around in my .kde directory trying to find the file(s) responsible for the > K menu but couldn't find them, so I wound up copying the entire .kde > directory from another user account and starting over from scratch. (sigh) > At least it was faster the second time. > > Unless I'm mistaken, the KDE configuration tools don't have traditional man > pages, and their HTML help pages don't say anything about where their files > are stored. How would I go about finding this sort of thing out in the > future, so that I don't have to replace files I don't want to? > > (Yes, I could have copied a file, logged out, logged in, copied another > file, and so on, but I couldn't get excited about that idea.) Thoughts? > > --Ben (running Yellow Dog Linux 2.0) > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From houle at citilink.com Sun Sep 23 10:04:11 2001 From: houle at citilink.com (Terry Houle) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest Message-ID: Anyone have any idea when the next Installfest may be coming up? TIA Terry Houle houle@citilink.com http://www.citilink.com/~houle From markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net Sun Sep 23 10:13:14 2001 From: markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fw: Should be a built-in feature. ;-) Message-ID: <002401c14442$479baec0$1e02a8c0@zippy> This zip file contains a replacement startup screen (logo.sys) for Windows. Just unzip it to "C:\" . It will be used by Windows instead of the "cloud" startup image that Windows defaults to when there is no C:\logo.sys file. To uninstall it, just rename it from "logo.sys" to "logo.bmp" (or delete it). You may view it as a BMP image, but it will only be half as tall as while booting. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: logo.zip Type: application/x-zip-compressed Size: 49508 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010923/b7e6587a/logo.bin From spencer at autonomous.tv Sun Sep 23 11:18:08 2001 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (spencer underground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Signed Data Message-ID: <20010923111808.B11383@autonomous.tv> I did indeed muck things up a bit with the encryption. I began my GnuPG experiments on one computer (that was comandeared for DVD's) and then went to another. So the key I created to begin with, the one I used to encrypt the first message, is not the same key I posted the Public Key Block with. So, I did not give away too much information to crack any keys. I did just put useless information on the list. Live and learn. -- SpencerUnderground -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010923/6949c165/attachment.pgp From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sun Sep 23 11:33:29 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Key In-Reply-To: <20010922221324.B18850@ringworld.org> References: <20010922214644.A22478@autonomous.tv> <20010922221324.B18850@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010923113329.33a05f76.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Scott Dier wrote: > > /me wonders if you know the exact plain text and the encrypted text, how > 'hard' is it to extract the secret key? By no means am I an expert on cryptography, but I'll say this. If it was easy, public key encryption would be useless, as people who share their public keys would essentially be waving around their secret key. This is certainly what happens when small keys (these days, <64 bits) are used. I wouldn't be surprised if the NSA can crack this size key pretty easily (within hours or days). Most people, when using PGP or GPG, make keys of 1024 or 2048 bits. This is 2^960 (9.7e288) to 2^1984 (? - probably somewhere around 10^600) times harder to calculate. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Think. -- IBM / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010923/437f2097/attachment.pgp From florin at iucha.net Sun Sep 23 13:01:50 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Key In-Reply-To: <20010923113329.33a05f76.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Sun, Sep 23, 2001 at 11:33:29AM -0500 References: <20010922214644.A22478@autonomous.tv> <20010922221324.B18850@ringworld.org> <20010923113329.33a05f76.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010923130149.A14107@beaver.iucha.org> On Sun, Sep 23, 2001 at 11:33:29AM -0500, Mike Hicks wrote: > Most people, when using PGP or GPG, make keys of 1024 or 2048 bits. This > is 2^960 (9.7e288) to 2^1984 (? - probably somewhere around 10^600) times > harder to calculate. using the published algorithms. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From wilson at visi.com Sun Sep 23 15:44:50 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Key In-Reply-To: <20010923113329.33a05f76.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Sun, 23 Sep 2001, Mike Hicks wrote: > Scott Dier wrote: > > > > /me wonders if you know the exact plain text and the encrypted text, how > > 'hard' is it to extract the secret key? This would fall into the category of a "known plaintext attack." Strong encryption algorithms are pretty safe from this these days. These sorts of attacks were crucial in WWII. > This is certainly what happens when small keys (these days, <64 bits) are > used. I wouldn't be surprised if the NSA can crack this size key pretty > easily > (within hours or days). > > Most people, when using PGP or GPG, make keys of 1024 or 2048 bits. This > is 2^960 (9.7e288) to 2^1984 (? - probably somewhere around 10^600) times > harder to calculate. Be careful to distinguish between symmetric and asymmetric cryptography. A 64 bit AES key is still pretty good. Asymmetric algorithms like the kind used for public key cryptography require much longer keys to be secure. For anyone who's interested in a nice discussion of the role of cryptography in history and a good description of public key cryptography I would recommend Simon Singh's "The Codebreakers." A very entertaining piece of geek writing. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From wilson at visi.com Sun Sep 23 15:49:35 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Journal thickness Message-ID: Hey everyone, I was filing some old issues of Linux Journal the other day and noticed (perhaps not surprisingly) that the thickness of the magazines directly tracks with the high-tech bubble and bust of the last few years. My first issue is from March 1998 and runs 95 pages. It looks like the largest copy is from approx. Nov. or Dec. 2000. The Sept. issue of this year is about 90 pages. A quick look through the advertisers index shows that all the companies who used to have multi-page ads have disappeared (e.g., V.A. Linux, Penguin Computing, the various distros). None of this is terrible unexpected, of course, but seeing the issues all lined up on the shelf makes the trend more dramatic. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From jack at jacku.com Sun Sep 23 16:45:06 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Journal thickness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01092316450600.01420@geezer> On Sunday 23 September 2001 15:49, you wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I was filing some old issues of Linux Journal the other day and noticed > (perhaps not surprisingly) that the thickness of the magazines directly > tracks with the high-tech bubble and bust of the last few years. My first > issue is from March 1998 and runs 95 pages. It looks like the largest copy > is from approx. Nov. or Dec. 2000. The Sept. issue of this year is about 90 > pages. A quick look through the advertisers index shows that all the > companies who used to have multi-page ads have disappeared (e.g., > V.A. Linux, Penguin Computing, the various distros). > > None of this is terrible unexpected, of course, but seeing the issues all > lined up on the shelf makes the trend more dramatic. > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Of course if you want to track back even further I have some issues from 1996 and 1997 around somewhere. :-) That's when it was stapled not glued. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From AccountInfo at bid4placement.com Mon Sep 24 06:34:11 2001 From: AccountInfo at bid4placement.com (AccountInfo@bid4placement.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Your Bid 4 Placement Account. Message-ID: <235.64838.754934@bid4placement.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010924/82d05201/attachment.htm From tl at assimilated.org Sun Sep 23 17:34:06 2001 From: tl at assimilated.org (tim lupfer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Your Bid 4 Placement Account. In-Reply-To: <235.64838.754934@bid4placement.com> References: <235.64838.754934@bid4placement.com> Message-ID: <15278.25438.81873.27602@matilda.assimilated.org> >>>>> "SPAM" == writes: [snip] and on that note, how about that procmail presentation? ;) -- ============================================== timothy lupfer http://www.assimilated.org tl@assimilated.org tlupfe01@euclid.hamline.edu ============================================== Future looks spotty. You will spill soup in late evening. From drake at lemongecko.myip.org Sun Sep 23 18:04:01 2001 From: drake at lemongecko.myip.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] weird Mozilla problem Message-ID: <20010923190401.A4580@lemongecko.org> Okay, this is driving me totally batty. Mozilla is not properly loading web pages. It gets "stuck" on a server. For instance, I'll be at "foo.com" and I type in "bar.com/webpage.html". What Mozilla will do is try to load foo.com/webpage.html . Hitting reload doesn't help. Clearing the memory and disk caches sometimes helps. I'm using Mozilla 0.9.4 on a Debian testing box. I've set the memory and disk cache to 0, and I told it to compare the page in the cache to the page on the network "Every time I view the page". This is an intermittent but EXTREMELY annoying problem. Has anybody else had this problem? Does anybody know how to fix it (other than hacking on code, which I am no good at...) I'm trying to file a bug report, but I can't properly load the Bugzilla pages... TIA Dan -- lemon | Dan Drake + gecko | drake@lemongecko.org ----- | http://lemongecko.org/drake ?! | From thomas at stderr.net Sun Sep 23 20:33:36 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] weird Mozilla problem In-Reply-To: <20010923190401.A4580@lemongecko.org>; from drake@lemongecko.myip.org on Sun, Sep 23, 2001 at 07:04:01PM -0400 References: <20010923190401.A4580@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: <20010924033336.A68118@io.stderr.net> On Sun, Sep 23, 2001 at 07:04:01PM -0400, Dan Drake wrote: > Okay, this is driving me totally batty. > > Mozilla is not properly loading web pages. It gets "stuck" on a server. For > instance, I'll be at "foo.com" and I type in "bar.com/webpage.html". What > Mozilla will do is try to load foo.com/webpage.html . Hitting reload > doesn't help. Clearing the memory and disk caches sometimes helps. > > I'm using Mozilla 0.9.4 on a Debian testing box. I've set the memory and > disk cache to 0, and I told it to compare the page in the cache to the page > on the network "Every time I view the page". > > This is an intermittent but EXTREMELY annoying problem. Has anybody else > had this problem? Does anybody know how to fix it (other than hacking on > code, which I am no good at...) I'm trying to file a bug report, but I > can't properly load the Bugzilla pages... I've had some rather weird bugs when upgrading from 0.9.3 to 0.9.4 in Debian. Basically I get a lot of sudden "Connection refused by bar.com" and the java_vm basically goes balistics when accessing anything that uses java. Oh, and the annoying big bits of graphics they now have on the error dialogs suck. Guess it's time to go find an older 0.9.3 .deb -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From tanner at real-time.com Mon Sep 24 00:37:16 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Finally! Gartner says dump IIS! In-Reply-To: <20010921152746.39547.qmail@web10204.mail.yahoo.com>; from homebrewmike@yahoo.com on Fri, Sep 21, 2001 at 08:27:46AM -0700 References: <20010921152746.39547.qmail@web10204.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010924003716.F19671@real-time.com> Quoting Mike White (homebrewmike@yahoo.com): > >About time a main stream media knows what we all > know. > > Now, if only the main stream media would stop > listening to Gartner. Those bozos are what helped > MS's popularity in the first place. That is why this article is important (imho). I always read (still do) Gartner's "findings" with a grain of salt. But it looks like they gutted the golden goose this time. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Mon Sep 24 00:39:23 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] McLeodUSA question In-Reply-To: <3BAC8489.3DA8FC80@earthlink.net>; from rechpj@earthlink.net on Sat, Sep 22, 2001 at 07:31:05AM -0500 References: <3BAC8489.3DA8FC80@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20010924003923.G19671@real-time.com> Quoting Paul Rech (rechpj@earthlink.net): > Just got a flyer from McLeodUSA about phone and internet service. > > I remember someone posted here that they switched over to McLeod. > > I'd like to get some feedback on how that's worked out. They where great as Ovation. > Did you get local phone service? Yes. > Does this mean you can get rid of Qwest? No, Qworst still owns the copper in the street. > Did you get Internet access from them also? No, just FB1s, PRI and BRI. Their tech support suck just as bad as Qwest. At least Qwest can give you a troubleticket on the phone, McLousy can/won't. So many times you just have to keep calling back and explaining the whole problem over again. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Sep 24 01:42:27 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] McLeodUSA question In-Reply-To: <20010924003923.G19671@real-time.com> References: <3BAC8489.3DA8FC80@earthlink.net> <20010924003923.G19671@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010924014227.E27957@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [010924 00:44]: > Their tech support suck just as bad as Qwest. At least Qwest can give you a > troubleticket on the phone, McLousy can/won't. So who uses what now? One of the people I know uses KMC for their telco-shit aside from qworst. They do any good? -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net "History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." - Justice Thurgood Marshall (1989) From steveg at transition.com Mon Sep 24 10:01:27 2001 From: steveg at transition.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NIS question Message-ID: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BC010@postman.transition.com> Could have one here too, we are only a mile or two from Real Time. 62 and Shady Oak. -----Original Message----- From: Nate Carlson [mailto:natecars@real-time.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 11:46 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: RE: [TCLUG] NIS question On Wed, 19 Sep 2001, James Spinti wrote: > This is starting to sound like a topic for a monthly meeting...any > possibility of having one somewhere closer to the western 'burbs? Could do one at Real Time.. conference room may get a bit crowded though. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From peter.clark at tides.com Fri Sep 21 15:02:55 2001 From: peter.clark at tides.com (peter.clark@tides.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Slightly OT] USB flash memory device? Message-ID: <200109241520.f8OFKhc06843@sprite.real-time.com> I'm interested in getting some sort of USB flash memory device, exemplified by M-System's DiskOnKey. There's also Agate's Q USB and JMTek's USBdrive, but the first advantage to DiskOnKey is that it doesn't require drivers, just a fully USB-aware OS. Only problem is the price: the cheapest was $45, before $13 s+h. For 8MB of memory, that's not a lot of bang for the buck. It hasn't hit eBay yet, either. So, does anyone know of a local store that sells these things, or of another similar product? The USBdrive is supposedly twice as slow, although the cheapest is $40 and comes with 16MB mem. The Q Drive is $70 for 16MB mem. I would like to use it to store PGP/GPG keys (I'm starting to get interested in such things, now that they are threatened--funny how that works) and other stuff that I might want to keep on me at all times. The downside is that there doesn't seem to be any access protection such as passwords or file system encryption, so if it were lost, then anyone could view it. Suggestions/work-arounds welcome. Thanks, :Peter From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Sep 24 10:41:45 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Slightly OT] USB flash memory device? In-Reply-To: <200109241520.f8OFKhc06843@sprite.real-time.com> References: <200109241520.f8OFKhc06843@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010924104145.I27957@ringworld.org> * peter.clark@tides.com [010924 10:25]: > I'm interested in getting some sort of USB flash memory device, > exemplified by M-System's DiskOnKey. There's also Agate's Q USB and > JMTek's USBdrive, but the first advantage to DiskOnKey is that it > doesn't require drivers, just a fully USB-aware OS. Only problem is the IBM had a USB disk key thingy too, dont remember how much it was. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net "History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." - Justice Thurgood Marshall (1989) From florin at iucha.net Mon Sep 24 10:56:22 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Slightly OT] USB flash memory device? In-Reply-To: <200109241520.f8OFKhc06843@sprite.real-time.com>; from peter.clark@tides.com on Fri, Sep 21, 2001 at 12:02:55PM -0800 References: <200109241520.f8OFKhc06843@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010924105622.A357@beaver.iucha.org> On Fri, Sep 21, 2001 at 12:02:55PM -0800, peter.clark@tides.com wrote: > I'm interested in getting some sort of USB flash memory device, > exemplified by M-System's DiskOnKey. There's also Agate's Q USB and > JMTek's USBdrive, but the first advantage to DiskOnKey is that it > doesn't require drivers, just a fully USB-aware OS. Only problem is the > price: the cheapest was $45, before $13 s+h. For 8MB of memory, that's > not a lot of bang for the buck. It hasn't hit eBay yet, either. > So, does anyone know of a local store that sells these things, > or of another similar product? The USBdrive is supposedly twice as slow, > although the cheapest is $40 and comes with 16MB mem. The Q Drive is $70 > for 16MB mem. > I would like to use it to store PGP/GPG keys (I'm starting to How fast do you need to read that pgp key from the device? My .gnupg dir has 28k... > get interested in such things, now that they are threatened--funny how > that works) and other stuff that I might want to keep on me at all > times. The downside is that there doesn't seem to be any access > protection such as passwords or file system encryption, so if it were > lost, then anyone could view it. Suggestions/work-arounds welcome. Cross-platform encryption? Don't hold your breath. OTOH you can choose a password for your secret key. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The reply: it depends what your target is.... their numbers were based on usage by the Fortune # (can't remember which hundred or thousand), and that if you go to just about any web server's home page you'll be able to find stats to support their claims that they are number one in terms of most deployments. So there you have it--the whole problem here is statistics..... Anyone can find or run studies to support any position these days. It all depends on where you get your numbers and how you massage them afterward. So the clear winner.... Hmmm. Isn't it iPic (http://www-ccs.cs.umass.edu/~shri/iPic.html)? Lee Behrens Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Finally! Gartner says dump IIS! From: Dave Sherman Date: 22 Sep 2001 12:57:46 -0500 There are two sets of statistics for web servers. One set shows the number of domains running under each server (Apache, IIS, Netscape, etc.), and Apache wins. The other shows the number of IP addresses (because, of course, each http server may run multiple virtual domains), and again, Apache wins. I don't remember the numbers off-hand, but I know Apache is still ahead in publicly-available web servers. If IIS is running on LAN servers but is unavailable from outside the LAN (i.e., the Internet), then it really isn't worth counting anyway. From fertch at mninter.net Mon Sep 24 12:07:44 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Com-21? Message-ID: <01092412074400.04738@bleys> Cable modem is "supposed" to be available in Forest Lake come October. I called, and got details on it. From the sounds of it, they use an external router. Com-21 or the like. Anyone know something about them? They told me that I get 512 down and 128 up which sucks big time. However, it's either that or 128 ISDN or 56k modem... -- --- Shawn "Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do." -Bruce Lee From clay at fandre.com Mon Sep 24 12:10:51 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010924121051.D484@fandre.com> -- Clay On Sun, 23 Sep 2001, Terry Houle wrote: > Anyone have any idea when the next Installfest may be coming up? Whenever I can find a place to hold it. Anyone willing to assist me in my search? We need a place that will hold ~70 people, with lotsa tables, lotsa power, and hopefully internet access. First one to find a place wins. From blayer at qwest.net Mon Sep 24 12:18:41 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Broken Cisco 678? Message-ID: <20010924121841.189d690a.blayer@qwest.net> Hi hi, I'm playing with a Cisco 678 DSL modem that seems to have failed. When I power it on, only the power LED lights up, all the other LEDs are completely dark. However, if I peer in through the holes in the top of the case, I can see a single red LED on the circuit board that is lit. Is the red LED some sort of hard fault indicator? I can't get any activity out of this 678, serial port seems dead also. Plugging in an ethernet cable does not light the LAN Link LED. Info, help - please. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From dsherman at real-time.com Mon Sep 24 12:30:56 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Broken Cisco 678? In-Reply-To: <20010924121841.189d690a.blayer@qwest.net> References: <20010924121841.189d690a.blayer@qwest.net> Message-ID: <01092412305603.08430@dedannshae.thuria.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 24 September 2001 12:18 pm, Bill Layer wrote: > Hi hi, > > I'm playing with a Cisco 678 DSL modem that seems to have failed. When I > power it on, only the power LED lights up, all the other LEDs are > completely dark. However, if I peer in through the holes in the top of > the case, I can see a single red LED on the circuit board that is lit. > > Is the red LED some sort of hard fault indicator? I can't get any > activity out of this 678, serial port seems dead also. Plugging in an > ethernet cable does not light the LAN Link LED. > > Info, help - please. I experienced the same symptoms when my 678 got fried by a bad CBOS upgrade. Qwest sent me a new one, free, since it was their tech who walked me through the process of completely hosing up my DSL router :-) Dave - -- "Nihil tam munitum quod non expugnari pecunia possit." (No fortification is such that it cannot be subdued with money.) - - Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 B.C. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7r23QA68l26XsZUYRAvN7AJ9PSwn5wqRE5kA/+Kyh0bHnFDZBgwCdEjBO YfbeY8LNbDoQfjPPkGYL4Ms= =4NMF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From blayer at qwest.net Mon Sep 24 12:29:58 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest In-Reply-To: <20010924121051.D484@fandre.com> References: <20010924121051.D484@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010924122958.43a14bcd.blayer@qwest.net> Clay, On or about Mon, 24 Sep 2001 12:10:51 -0500 Clay Fandre reportedly said... > > Anyone have any idea when the next Installfest may be coming up? > > Whenever I can find a place to hold it. Anyone willing to assist me in my search? We need a place that >will hold ~70 people, with lotsa tables, lotsa power, and hopefully internet access. First one to find >a place wins. I may have a possibility for our next installfest. I have a friend on the inside at MCTC (Downtown Mpls) who says that they may be willing to give us use of a classroom or lab to have the installfest. (They have a T1 line there...) What we need to do, is have some club official (that is, you Clay) write a simple request / proposal descibing what we do, what we need, hours of use etc. Stress the public educational mission of the TCLUG Installfest events... Email it to: farrelam@mctc.mnscu.edu and she will forward it along to the right people. With a bit of luck, we may have our venue. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From nassarmu at mctc.mnscu.edu Mon Sep 24 13:57:52 2001 From: nassarmu at mctc.mnscu.edu (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest Message-ID: I was thinking of MCTC myself, but I dont think they have a classroom/lab big enough to house ~70 people and their computers but the Learning Center has a computer room that should be big enough... I used to work in the IT department at MCTC and I know the Admins there; they are cool about Open Source Software but the CIO is a MickySoft guy. He should not make problems if we go to the Learning Center. (out of his juristiction) -Munir PS. The MnSCU system has a site licence for almost all Microsoft Products, I believe the license for Microsoft Office is about to run out and with the prices going up they are looking for a cheaper alternative (StarOffice) maybe someone can rig together a presentation of OpenOffice (it has to run on Windows). >>> "Bill Layer" 09/24/01 12:36 PM >>> Clay, On or about Mon, 24 Sep 2001 12:10:51 -0500 Clay Fandre reportedly said... > > Anyone have any idea when the next Installfest may be coming up? > > Whenever I can find a place to hold it. Anyone willing to assist me in my search? We need a place that >will hold ~70 people, with lotsa tables, lotsa power, and hopefully internet access. First one to find >a place wins. I may have a possibility for our next installfest. I have a friend on the inside at MCTC (Downtown Mpls) who says that they may be willing to give us use of a classroom or lab to have the installfest. (They have a T1 line there...) What we need to do, is have some club official (that is, you Clay) write a simple request / proposal descibing what we do, what we need, hours of use etc. Stress the public educational mission of the TCLUG Installfest events... Email it to: farrelam@mctc.mnscu.edu and she will forward it along to the right people. With a bit of luck, we may have our venue. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Sep 24 14:38:29 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] McLeodUSA question Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF02@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> For home phone, I switched to USLink. True, Qwest still owns the copper, but you don't have to deal with them anymore. And when calling USLink, you always get a REAL person on the phone within 3 rings, no holding or stupid menus. I think Qwest now hates me as much as I hate them. When I talked to them the other day, they actually suggested that I have my line disconnected and go somewhere else. I refrained from telling them that I already have done so until my line is completely moved over. > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Dier [mailto:dieman+tclug@ringworld.org] > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 1:42 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] McLeodUSA question > > > * Bob Tanner [010924 00:44]: > > Their tech support suck just as bad as Qwest. At least > Qwest can give > > you a troubleticket on the phone, McLousy can/won't. > > So who uses what now? One of the people I know uses KMC for > their telco-shit aside from qworst. > > They do any good? > -- > Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net "History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." - Justice Thurgood Marshall (1989) _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Sep 24 14:55:53 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Key Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF03@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > For anyone who's interested in a nice discussion of the role > of cryptography in history and a good description of public > key cryptography I would recommend Simon Singh's "The > Codebreakers." A very entertaining piece of geek writing. This is an *excellent* book. It runs through the history of different ciphers and how to break them. Note that all 10 crypto challenges at the end of the book were cracked last year. Singh also wrote Fermat's Enigma, which is an excellent book on Fermat's Last Theorem. Interestingly enough, the proof for Fermat's Enigma uses techniques that didn't exist back in 1630, so fermat's proof (if he truly had one) was most certainly quite different. If you're going on a book spree, get these two, you won't be able to put them down. Singh makes otherwise dry topics quite interesting reading. Jay From bbaptist at iexposure.com Mon Sep 24 15:24:29 2001 From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help with Freeswan. Message-ID: <200109242024.f8OKOTM23821@destiny.iexposure.com> Has anyone here used FreeS/WAN at all? I have been trying to set up a VPN connection for people to access the internal network from home and was wondering if anyone has any experience using FreeS/WAN. I need to figure out how to get the users Windows 2000 machines to connect to the Linux FreeS/WAN VPN. Any help would be really appreciated. I have a ton of info if anyone wants to step forward. Thanks in advance. -- Bret Baptist Systems and Technical Support Specialist bbaptist@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services From natecars at real-time.com Mon Sep 24 15:28:08 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help with Freeswan. In-Reply-To: <200109242024.f8OKOTM23821@destiny.iexposure.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Sep 2001, Bret Baptist wrote: > Has anyone here used FreeS/WAN at all? I have been trying to set up a VPN > connection for people to access the internal network from home and was > wondering if anyone has any experience using FreeS/WAN. I need to figure out > how to get the users Windows 2000 machines to connect to the Linux FreeS/WAN > VPN. Any help would be really appreciated. I have a ton of info if anyone > wants to step forward. Thanks in advance. Easiest way: Use PGPNet on Win2k. It's a real pain in the butt to get Win2k to connect directly to a FreeS/WAN server.. I had it working at one point, but no longer. If you ask the FreeS/WAN mailing list, maybe someone's created good documentation? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Sep 24 15:41:57 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help with Freeswan. In-Reply-To: References: <200109242024.f8OKOTM23821@destiny.iexposure.com> Message-ID: <20010924154156.K27957@ringworld.org> * Nate Carlson [010924 15:32]: > Easiest way: Use PGPNet on Win2k. SSH IPSEC from www.ipsec.com works really well too, plus you can get it free for non-commercial use and get free eval for interop testing when your trying to rig it up for a business. Worked *excellent* with freeswan, just be sure to pick 3DES in the install as the 'default cipher' -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net "History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." - Justice Thurgood Marshall (1989) From natecars at real-time.com Mon Sep 24 15:50:54 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help with Freeswan. In-Reply-To: <20010924154156.K27957@ringworld.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Sep 2001, Scott Dier wrote: > SSH IPSEC from www.ipsec.com works really well too, plus you can get it > free for non-commercial use and get free eval for interop testing when > your trying to rig it up for a business. > > Worked *excellent* with freeswan, just be sure to pick 3DES in the > install as the 'default cipher' Cool.. haven't heard about this one. Does it support X.509 certs perchance? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Mon Sep 24 15:58:11 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Annoying Outlook 5.5sp2+ problem Message-ID: I know it's OT, but we use Linux mail servers, so that makes it on topic, kinda. :) From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Sep 24 16:18:13 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help with Freeswan. In-Reply-To: References: <20010924154156.K27957@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010924161813.L27957@ringworld.org> * Nate Carlson [010924 15:54]: > On Mon, 24 Sep 2001, Scott Dier wrote: > > SSH IPSEC from www.ipsec.com works really well too, plus you can get it > > free for non-commercial use and get free eval for interop testing when > > your trying to rig it up for a business. > > > > Worked *excellent* with freeswan, just be sure to pick 3DES in the > > install as the 'default cipher' > > Cool.. haven't heard about this one. Does it support X.509 certs > perchance? Hell, it will create them for you and send a Certificate Signing Request to their (propratery i think) PKI engine if you want. Or just export them normally. YAY THEY DONT USE ENTRUST. ENTRUST BAD. ALL KILL ENTRUST. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net "History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." - Justice Thurgood Marshall (1989) From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Sep 24 17:28:52 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Annoying Outlook 5.5sp2+ problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Sep 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > recognized CA's, and puts up an annoying popup if it isn't. Anyone know > how to either install another CA, or just tell OE to accept the cert? Of Did you look under all the internet options, in the security stuff? MS likes to hide stuff in the mile long list of security settings. Sorta OT note for those upgrading because of Nimda: There is a difference between patching IE5.5 SP1 and installing IE5.5 SP2. If you patch IE5.5 SP1, it just fixes the vulnerabilites and life goes on. If you install IE5.5 SP2, it has a lot of pre-IE6 stuff (such as a broken Java VM). If you're having trouble with any newly upgraded IE5.5 installs, you might want to drop back to SP1 and apply the patch instead. -Brian From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Sep 24 17:30:36 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Broken Cisco 678? In-Reply-To: <01092412305603.08430@dedannshae.thuria.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Sep 2001, Dave Sherman wrote: > I experienced the same symptoms when my 678 got fried by a bad CBOS > upgrade. Qwest sent me a new one, free, since it was their tech who walked > me through the process of completely hosing up my DSL router :-) Wow... that's amazing that they actually helped you. Did you have to call them 300 times and start ranting about the PUC or were they pretty good up front? Still, I find it amazing that they actually sent you a modem. -Brian From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Sep 24 17:34:36 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fw: Should be a built-in feature. ;-) In-Reply-To: <002401c14442$479baec0$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: On Sun, 23 Sep 2001, Mark Browne wrote: > This zip file contains a replacement startup screen (logo.sys) for Windows. > Just unzip it to "C:\" . It will be used by Windows instead of the "cloud" > startup image that Windows defaults to when there is no C:\logo.sys file. To Awhile back a friend of mine wrote a small app in VB to change the 3 screens (logo.sys, logow.sys, logos.sys I think?). The trick is that they need to be 8 bit BMP, resized to 400hx320w (yes, the dimensions are opposite what you'd think, I have no idea why they did it that way). There are also kits out there for making animated BMPs but they're tricky, it has to do with embedding code to pallet shift certain portions. -Brian From mike at getbent.net Mon Sep 24 19:16:09 2001 From: mike at getbent.net (Mike Nielsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS license calculator? In-Reply-To: <20010921001427.O27666@real-time.com> References: <20010921001427.O27666@real-time.com> Message-ID: <01092419160908.03305@Dingo> If you ever figure this out let me know... I had once client use the BSA's utils with mixed results. On Friday 21 September 2001 00:14, you wrote: > Any MS license calculators out there, NOT on www.microsoft.com? > > Looking to direct clients to it so they can see what this Open Business > License will cost them. -- ----------------------------- |\/|ike@GetBent.net From cha.vang at webhelp.com Mon Sep 24 19:13:15 2001 From: cha.vang at webhelp.com (Cha Vang) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Annoying Outlook 5.5sp2+ problem References: Message-ID: <3BAFCC1B.3000602@webhelp.com> I ran into this problem the other day. Use Windows/IE to import your self-signed SSL cert. After importing, the cert can be viewed with IE (Tool->Internet Options->Content->Certificates->Trusted Root Certification Authorities) . From this menu, export your cert to a file. (Repeat the import/export procedure if you have more than one SSL cert.) Anyone connecting to your mail server w/ Outlook will have to import/install your exported cert(s). -Cha Nate Carlson wrote: >I know it's OT, but we use Linux mail servers, so that makes it on topic, >kinda. :) > >>From Outlook 5.5sp2 on, it appears Microsoft actually checks to make sure >that the SSL cert of the remote POP/IMAP server came from one of the >recognized CA's, and puts up an annoying popup if it isn't. Anyone know >how to either install another CA, or just tell OE to accept the cert? Of >course, they can't make it easy like in Mozilla/IE (just click accept it >permanently.. heh).. > From tanner at real-time.com Mon Sep 24 20:28:00 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Can ping but not traceroute to a Cisco router? Message-ID: <20010924202800.S19933@real-time.com> I can ping an ethernet interface on a remote Cisco router, but I cannot traceroute to it. I have seen this behaviour before when a firewall is involved, and when some whacky access-list is applied to the interface. I was told the interface has no access list applied to it, so what other things can I troubleshoot when you can ping but not traceroute to an interface? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Sep 24 20:58:03 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Can ping but not traceroute to a Cisco router? In-Reply-To: <20010924202800.S19933@real-time.com> References: <20010924202800.S19933@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010924205803.4c32fbd6.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Bob Tanner wrote: > > I can ping an ethernet interface on a remote Cisco router, but I cannot > traceroute to it. > > I have seen this behaviour before when a firewall is involved, and when > some whacky access-list is applied to the interface. > > I was told the interface has no access list applied to it, so what other > things can I troubleshoot when you can ping but not traceroute to an > interface? Traceroute usually uses mangled UDP packets, since responding with an ICMP error message to an ICMP packet that has a zero TTL would probably be a really silly thing to do. Is something not passing UDP? You can try using hping2, which will let you do all sorts of nasty things to packets to see what can pass through.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ God speed, fair wizard. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010924/415edde2/attachment.pgp From clarson at iaxs.net Mon Sep 24 10:15:16 2001 From: clarson at iaxs.net (Chester Larson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] O.S. Message-ID: <00fa01c1450b$b82d0700$548386d1@default> Have three computers. I want to connect together from differance part of house. 1st cpu win 95 pent. 2 HDs Only one connected to internet 2nd cpu win 95 and linux 7.0 1HD 3rd cpu win 95. I want change to linux only 2HDs Have a 5 port hub and cables Would like to share email between 1st and 2nd cpus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010924/5ff455a5/attachment.html From tl at assimilated.org Mon Sep 24 21:24:34 2001 From: tl at assimilated.org (tim lupfer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Broken Cisco 678? In-Reply-To: References: <01092412305603.08430@dedannshae.thuria.org> Message-ID: <15279.60131.384097.36393@matilda.assimilated.org> >>>>> "Brian" == Brian writes: Brian> Wow... that's amazing that they actually helped you. Did Brian> you have to call them 300 times and start ranting about the Brian> PUC or were they pretty good up front? Still, I find it Brian> amazing that they actually sent you a modem. Brian> -Brian I'm also quite surprised, when I wanted to do something as simple as cancel my dsl service, it took a total of 29 days to get any response whatsoever. The first five I attempted to reach support via support phone numbers. After being hung up and transferred in an endless loop I decided to simply email support. Twenty-four days later I received a brief apology for 'the delayed reply', and notice that my dsl would be cancelled in two weeks time. All total, it took 43 days to get what I wanted. I now have att broadband, and I couldn't be happier, they initially recorded my mac address incorrectly, but I was able to reach someone within 5 minutes, and the problem was immediately fixed. I lost track of what the initial point of this email was, so I'll shut up now. -- ============================================== timothy lupfer http://www.assimilated.org tl@assimilated.org tlupfe01@euclid.hamline.edu ============================================== The human race has one really effective weapon, and that is laughter. -- Mark Twain From jaredburns at acm.org Mon Sep 24 22:04:42 2001 From: jaredburns at acm.org (Jared Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hello, I broke startx Message-ID: <01092422044200.01564@ghazgkull> Hola. I feel sort of bad about sending a question to the list so soon after discovering/joining it, but I really hosed myself. In my efforts to get Quake3 running, I wrecked my ability to startx from runlevel 3 as anyone but root. I can still use my machine by setting the default runlevel to 5, so I'm not completely out of business. However the Quake discussion boards all indicate that there's some wierd incompatibility between having your default runlevel set to 5 in Mandrake 8.0 and running Quake3, so it'd be nice to fix this. The errors I get when I try "startx" are: /usr/X11R6/bin/startx: xauth: command not found /usr/X11R6/bin/startx: xauth: command not found /usr/X11R6/bin/startx: exec: xinit: not found On the suggestion of someone on a bulletin board, I added "PATH=/usr/X11R6/bin" to the top of my startx script and that got me further somehow. Now I get spammed with a bunch of the usual output and my monitor goes so far as to switch resolutions, but then I get dumped back to the console where I'm greeted by the following: sh: cat: command not found /etc/X11/Xsession: which: command not found /etc/X11/Xsession: which: command not found /etc/X11/xinit.d/imwheel: which: command not found /etc/X11/xinit.d/Mod_Meta_L_Disable: grep: command not found /etc/X11/Xsession: exec: sh: not found waiting for X server to shut down The most noteworthy thing I did before this started happening was to build/install NVidia drivers following instructions from www.littlewhitedog.com/reviews_other_00022.asp. If someone has any insight on this, you'd make my day. Now that I'm done spouting my problems, I suppose a brief introduction is in order. My name's Jared Burns. I just moved to Bloomington in June. I came to the Twin Cities from Pennsylvania with my new (two weeks) wife to take a job with Object Technology International, a subsidiary of IBM. OTI does a good deal of embedded and IDE programming. Our IDE history includes ENVY Smalltalk, Visual Age for Java, and Visual Age MicroEdition. Our best known employee is Erich Gamma, of the famed Gang of Four. Our current work is on a Java framework/IDE called Eclipse, which is/will be (it hasn't been made entirely public yet) free and open source. I currently run Mandrake 8.0 at home and at work. I look forward to meeting everyone at the next meeting. Thanks, - Jared From drake at lemongecko.myip.org Mon Sep 24 22:19:52 2001 From: drake at lemongecko.myip.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hello, I broke startx In-Reply-To: <01092422044200.01564@ghazgkull> References: <01092422044200.01564@ghazgkull> Message-ID: <20010924221950.A9989@lemongecko.org> On Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 10:04PM -0500, Jared Burns wrote: > On the suggestion of someone on a bulletin board, I added > "PATH=/usr/X11R6/bin" to the top of my startx script and that got me further That's part of your problem. You clobbered your old path. Try PATH=$PATH:/usr/X11R6/bin instead. > sh: cat: command not found > /etc/X11/Xsession: exec: sh: not found See? You lost your old path, and startx couldn't find simple commands that it needs. I don't know anything about Quake, and very little about X, but I know a bad path statement when I see one... :) Hope this helps. Dan From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Sep 24 22:32:26 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hello, I broke startx In-Reply-To: <01092422044200.01564@ghazgkull> Message-ID: Hey, On Mon, 24 Sep 2001, Jared Burns wrote: > The errors I get when I try "startx" are: > /usr/X11R6/bin/startx: xauth: command not found ... > On the suggestion of someone on a bulletin board, I added > "PATH=/usr/X11R6/bin" to the top of my startx script and that got me further Yeah... you DO need to add /usr/X11R6/bin to your path - but you're replacing your path with it. This isn't good. I'd just go ahead and add /usr/X11R6/bin to your path permanently, since you'll probably want to run programs out of there anyway. Look in your shell-init fles (.profile, .bashrc, .tcshrc, etc) and find which one sets the path. Then add /usr/X11R6/bin to it. -Yaron -- From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Sep 24 22:33:55 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Can ping but not traceroute to a Cisco router? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF06@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> you can also try the -I flag with traceroute and see if that works. If it does, it's most certainly some sort of access-list somewhere along the line that is dropping the UDP packets that traceroute normally uses. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Mike Hicks [mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 8:58 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Can ping but not traceroute to a Cisco router? Bob Tanner wrote: > > I can ping an ethernet interface on a remote Cisco router, but I cannot > traceroute to it. > > I have seen this behaviour before when a firewall is involved, and when > some whacky access-list is applied to the interface. > > I was told the interface has no access list applied to it, so what other > things can I troubleshoot when you can ping but not traceroute to an > interface? Traceroute usually uses mangled UDP packets, since responding with an ICMP error message to an ICMP packet that has a zero TTL would probably be a really silly thing to do. Is something not passing UDP? You can try using hping2, which will let you do all sorts of nasty things to packets to see what can pass through.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ God speed, fair wizard. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] From josh at greentechnologist.org Mon Sep 24 22:46:21 2001 From: josh at greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] O.S. In-Reply-To: <00fa01c1450b$b82d0700$548386d1@default> Message-ID: Syntax error. Can't parse broken English. If not native speaker nevermind, ok. Try full sentances perhaps? Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 On Mon, 24 Sep 2001, Chester Larson wrote: > Have three computers. I want to connect together from differance part of house. > 1st cpu win 95 pent. 2 HDs Only one connected to internet > 2nd cpu win 95 and linux 7.0 1HD > 3rd cpu win 95. I want change to linux only 2HDs > Have a 5 port hub and cables > Would like to share email between 1st and 2nd cpus > From florin at iucha.net Mon Sep 24 23:01:18 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hello, I broke startx In-Reply-To: <01092422044200.01564@ghazgkull>; from jaredburns@acm.org on Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 10:04:42PM -0500 References: <01092422044200.01564@ghazgkull> Message-ID: <20010924230118.A9524@beaver.iucha.org> On Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 10:04:42PM -0500, Jared Burns wrote: > Hola. > > Java framework/IDE called Eclipse, which is/will be (it hasn't been made > entirely public yet) free and open source. I currently run Mandrake 8.0 at > home and at work. Swell. Just tell me it's not written in Java. I would love a decent classbrowser and an embedded vim. Just don't do it in java, ok? florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010924/d116489c/attachment.pgp From hans at friedchicken.org Tue Sep 25 00:12:28 2001 From: hans at friedchicken.org (Hans P. Christianson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hello, I broke startx In-Reply-To: <20010924221950.A9989@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: What? I thought I was the only one interested in math and/or computers that didn't know anything about quake!! --- H. P. Christianson 20 NE Second St. #1005 Minneapolis, MN 55413 (612) 327-6654 hans@friedchicken.org On Mon, 24 Sep 2001, Dan Drake wrote: > On Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 10:04PM -0500, Jared Burns wrote: > > On the suggestion of someone on a bulletin board, I added > > "PATH=/usr/X11R6/bin" to the top of my startx script and that got me further > > That's part of your problem. You clobbered your old path. Try > > PATH=$PATH:/usr/X11R6/bin > > instead. > > > sh: cat: command not found > > /etc/X11/Xsession: exec: sh: not found > > See? You lost your old path, and startx couldn't find simple commands that it > needs. > > I don't know anything about Quake, and very little about X, but I know a bad > path statement when I see one... :) > > Hope this helps. > > Dan > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From shorejsi at skypoint.com Tue Sep 25 04:17:49 2001 From: shorejsi at skypoint.com (Steve Horejsi) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Com-21? References: <01092412074400.04738@bleys> Message-ID: <3BB04BBD.30300@skypoint.com> Shawn; Charter (down here in Lakeville/Apple Valley/Rosemount) uses the Com21 stuff. I've had one for almost a year and a half now with no major problems. Seems to work fine with Linux. It's not a very exciting box, but sometimes boring is OK... -=[ Steve ]=- Shawn Fertch wrote: > Cable modem is "supposed" to be available in Forest Lake come October. I > called, and got details on it. From the sounds of it, they use an external > router. Com-21 or the like. Anyone know something about them? They told me > that I get 512 down and 128 up which sucks big time. However, it's either > that or 128 ISDN or 56k modem... From fish at slava.net Tue Sep 25 08:12:54 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Quake (Hello, I broke startx) References: Message-ID: <3BB082D6.3020007@slava.net> I guess that makes 3 of us. Hans P. Christianson wrote: >What? I thought I was the only one interested in math and/or computers >that didn't know anything about quake!! > From dsherman at real-time.com Tue Sep 25 07:53:45 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Broken Cisco 678? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01092507534600.00940@dedannshae.thuria.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 24 September 2001 05:30 pm, Brian wrote: > On Mon, 24 Sep 2001, Dave Sherman wrote: > > I experienced the same symptoms when my 678 got fried by a bad CBOS > > upgrade. Qwest sent me a new one, free, since it was their tech who > > walked me through the process of completely hosing up my DSL router > > :-) > > Wow... that's amazing that they actually helped you. Did you have to > call them 300 times and start ranting about the PUC or were they pretty > good up front? Still, I find it amazing that they actually sent you a > modem. Well, I simply and calmly explained that I didn't think I should have to pay for a replacement, since he (the tech) was the one who made the mistake. The tech agreed (sort of -- he did not admit any mistake, but seemed to think that the modem was actually faulty, because he thought it shouldn't have gotten fried the way it did -- I wasn't convinced, but I saw no reason to argue), and told me what to tell the CSR when I called for a replacement. It was a bit of a fib, because he said to tell the CSR I had received a faulty modem, and apparently he put the same diagnosis in his technote, because I got no trouble at all when I called for a replacement. Dave - -- "Nihil tam munitum quod non expugnari pecunia possit." (No fortification is such that it cannot be subdued with money.) - - Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 B.C. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7sH5dA68l26XsZUYRAqJzAJ0UG8m/Dr42DG2Wunp0Uh1nxc6IXQCeK2Ai tDVLpXqe/K7iTwWKzRUoAOI= =jV5K -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jaredburns at acm.org Tue Sep 25 09:23:22 2001 From: jaredburns at acm.org (Jared Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Hello, I broke startx Message-ID: <01092509232200.01492@radiohead.min.oti.com> Interesting. After I log into the console, if I echo $PATH, it shows "/usr/X11R6/bin" as the last entry. However, if I add "echo $PATH" at the top of my /usr/X11R6/bin/startx script, the last entry says "/usr/X11R6/bin=". I don't know where the '=' is coming from, but that seems to be the problem. If I do as someone (I'm writing this from work where I don't have my full email history) suggested, startx succeeds, with a path that ends with "/usr/X11R6/bin=:/usr/X11R6/bin" When I get home from work, I'll try to track down where that extra '=' is coming from. In answer to someone else's question (again with the lack of history), yes, Eclipse is written in Java. If I remember correctly, you seemed to think that writing it in Java would be a bad idea. Would you mind explaining why you think so? My heart belongs to Smalltalk, so I won't take offense to any Java-bashing. :) Thanks again, - Jared From jay at slushpupie.com Tue Sep 25 09:51:02 2001 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Hello, I broke startx In-Reply-To: <01092509232200.01492@radiohead.min.oti.com> References: <01092509232200.01492@radiohead.min.oti.com> Message-ID: <20010925145141.ZBAU14069.femail41.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> On Tuesday 25 September 2001 09:23 am, you wrote: > In answer to someone else's question (again with the lack of history), yes, > Eclipse is written in Java. If I remember correctly, you seemed to think > that writing it in Java would be a bad idea. Would you mind explaining why > you think so? My heart belongs to Smalltalk, so I won't take offense to any > Java-bashing. :) > The problem is not the Java language, but the JVM. There are no JVM's that I have seen that are as speedy as any native language. It mostly has to do with the fact the hardware is completely unknown to the program, and only the JVM knows about it. Perhaps if someone could write a JVM as a kernel module (not just the Java Execicutable as done before) things might run a little faster, but not much. -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- You worry too much about your job. Stop it. You are not paid enough to worry. From natecars at real-time.com Tue Sep 25 10:01:23 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Annoying Outlook 5.5sp2+ problem In-Reply-To: <3BAFCC1B.3000602@webhelp.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Sep 2001, Cha Vang wrote: > I ran into this problem the other day. Use Windows/IE to import your > self-signed SSL cert. After importing, the cert can be viewed with IE > (Tool->Internet Options->Content->Certificates->Trusted Root > Certification Authorities) . From this menu, export your cert to a > file. (Repeat the import/export procedure if you have more than one SSL > cert.) Anyone connecting to your mail server w/ Outlook will have to > import/install your exported cert(s). What's the easiest way to import the cert? export to .p12 with openssl and import? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jay at slushpupie.com Tue Sep 25 10:04:16 2001 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NFS/NIS Home's Message-ID: <20010925150455.YLAY14640.femail39.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> I dont have any way of really testing this, but I saw it done once and wonder how one might configure a nework to do this: All users home directories are stored on a central server. There is a lab of computer than any user can log into. Before the user logs into the computer, the home directory is not there- it dynamically mounts the home directory of the user when they log in. This way you only see the home directories of people logged into the machine, and not the thousands of other users. This was done on the campus at NAU in Flagstaff, and I have not been able to get back to see it since I figured out how NIS/NFS works. Jay -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- Do not sleep in a eucalyptus tree tonight. From esper at sherohman.org Tue Sep 25 10:15:21 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NFS/NIS Home's In-Reply-To: <20010925150455.YLAY14640.femail39.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there>; from jay@slushpupie.com on Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 10:04:16AM -0500 References: <20010925150455.YLAY14640.femail39.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Message-ID: <20010925101520.B13138@sherohman.org> On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 10:04:16AM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > All users home directories are stored on a central server. There is a lab of > computer than any user can log into. Before the user logs into the computer, > the home directory is not there- it dynamically mounts the home directory of > the user when they log in. This way you only see the home directories of > people logged into the machine, and not the thousands of other users. Look up "nfs automounter" on google. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius From PCZeilon at att.net Tue Sep 25 10:51:16 2001 From: PCZeilon at att.net (Carl & Paula Zeilon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Quake Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010925103141.02675600@127.0.0.1> Make that 4 Dan, I'm running the same setup as you (minus the Quake). The White Dog article is great, it helped me through my install. Double check your steps carefully! 1. You have the additional RPMs such as "kernel source" installed? 2. You are using Xfree 4? 3. You edited the correct "Xfree86Config-4" file? 4. Use the latest Nvidia drivers 1.0-1512 (1251 didn't work well for me) The RPM's work just fine. 5. Don't install any Mesa RPMs after installing the Nvidia drivers. Some programs need Mesa files to run, Just be sure to install these first! >I guess that makes 3 of us. >Hans P. Christianson wrote: >>What? I thought I was the only one interested in math and/or computers >>that didn't know anything about quake!! From florin at iucha.net Tue Sep 25 10:58:35 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Hello, I broke startx In-Reply-To: <20010925145141.ZBAU14069.femail41.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there>; from jay@slushpupie.com on Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 09:51:02AM -0500 References: <01092509232200.01492@radiohead.min.oti.com> <20010925145141.ZBAU14069.femail41.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Message-ID: <20010925105835.D9524@beaver.iucha.org> On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 09:51:02AM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > The problem is not the Java language, but the JVM. There are no JVM's that I > have seen that are as speedy as any native language. It mostly has to do > with the fact the hardware is completely unknown to the program, and only the > JVM knows about it. Perhaps if someone could write a JVM as a kernel module > (not just the Java Execicutable as done before) things might run a little > faster, but not much. The Smalltalk VM was fast for its time and it's even faster now. Too bad we have to reinvent the wheel just be able to put a new badge on it and sell it again, along with training courses. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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My heart belongs to Smalltalk, so I won't take offense to any > Java-bashing. :) I have no problem to be written in Java, Smalltalk, Lisp, Scheme, Pascal, asm, whatever as long as it's fast. Java on the client is so slow even on faster machines... Also I remember Visual Age for Smalltalk. That was fast even on a P100... Too bad everybody is so gung-ho on java and forgets about smalltalk. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: Hi folks -- Clay doesn't seem to be available, so I thought I'd come to the group for more information on this. My friend, Martin McCarthy is willing to talk about procmail at the next meeting, if we can settle on a couple details. - Will the meeting definitely occur on Sat 6 Oct? Where? Roughly how many people can we expect to attend? - The publisher may be able to provide copies of Marty's book, A Procmail Companion, at a reduced price for LUG members. If that's gonna happen we need a count of interested parties, and probably also some help in distributing the books at the meeting. Autographs will be available as desired, I suspect. The latter point is critical, since we need to get a rough count in time to have books shipped to me. The price of the books will be on the order of $24.00. If you are pretty sure you are interested in a copy of the book, let me know by private mail (to andy@theasis.com) by tomorrow. Please include something like "Interested in Procmail Companion" in the Subject line. This is no guarantee that we'll have sufficient copies, since they may not be able to get 'em to me in time. But I'll try. Thanks, Andy From fertch at mninter.net Tue Sep 25 11:08:22 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Com-21? In-Reply-To: <3BB04BBD.30300@skypoint.com> References: <01092412074400.04738@bleys> <3BB04BBD.30300@skypoint.com> Message-ID: <01092511082200.01535@bleys> On Tuesday 25 September 2001 04:17, Steve Horejsi wrote: > Shawn; > > Charter (down here in Lakeville/Apple Valley/Rosemount) uses the Com21 > stuff. I've had one for almost a year and a half now with no major > problems. Seems to work fine with Linux. > > It's not a very exciting box, but sometimes boring is OK... -- Steve, is it USB or ???? I just went out the sight for Com21, and they are showing USB devices. I only have one machine that has USB capabilities.... --- Shawn "Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do." -Bruce Lee From phil at rephil.org Tue Sep 25 11:13:46 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (phil@rephil.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hello, I broke startx In-Reply-To: ; from hans@friedchicken.org on Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 12:12:28AM -0500 References: <20010924221950.A9989@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: <20010925111346.A19099@rephil.org> On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 12:12:28AM -0500, Hans P. Christianson wrote: > What? I thought I was the only one interested in math and/or computers > that didn't know anything about quake!! Nope. :) -- I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. From jacque at fruitioninc.com Tue Sep 25 11:14:35 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Quake (Hello, I broke startx) In-Reply-To: <3BB082D6.3020007@slava.net> Message-ID: I know enough to know I'm really bad at it. > > I guess that makes 3 of us. > > Hans P. Christianson wrote: > > >What? I thought I was the only one interested in math and/or computers > >that didn't know anything about quake!! > > > From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Sep 25 11:25:58 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Java Ain't so bad. WAS: Hello, I broke startx In-Reply-To: <20010924230118.A9524@beaver.iucha.org>; from florin@iucha.net on Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 11:01:18PM -0500 References: <01092422044200.01564@ghazgkull> <20010924230118.A9524@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010925112557.A3201@llama.sistina.com> On Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 11:01:18PM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: >On Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 10:04:42PM -0500, Jared Burns wrote: >I would love a decent classbrowser and an embedded vim. Just don't do it in >java, ok? > I used to complain about java too. But then I was forced to install some java stuff that used java2. I realized that I needed to be more familiar with the care and feeding of java setups so I decided to install the jdk and get some apps. Since undertaking this trip into curiosity, i've come to the conclusion that I'd rather use a java app than some gnome or kde based apps. I know that it's not comparing apples to apples. But lets take for instance accounting software. I wanted a nice GUI based checkbook register with some added features. I looked to GNUCash. As I am installing GNUCash I noticed it depends on all sorts of shit like guppi, gtkhtml, libxml2, gnumeric and a whole host of other stuff. While I understand the benefits of the DLL hell that the gnome and kde projects have plunged into from a programmers point of view, for the guy who just wants one or two gnome / kde based apps it just sucks. Then I found moneydance. Installing it was as simple as utarring it to /usr/local and running the damn thing. If you chose not to instlal the JDK itself you could download a larger tarball that has it all and you're done. Sure it takes a while to startup, and each new app requires another JVM but hey, RAM is cheap these days. And the apps work great. So all in all I've decided java's not so bad. In fact, i've even taken to trying to learn how to write a little java and I've found I kinda like it. It's a good vehicle for a non-programmer like me to try and learn a little bit about programming. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. "In the war against terrorism, there are no rear lines. We're all on the front lines" - William Cohen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010925/698c4523/attachment.pgp From mpaulsen at charter.net Tue Sep 25 11:34:26 2001 From: mpaulsen at charter.net (Mike Paulsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Com-21? In-Reply-To: <01092511082200.01535@bleys> References: <3BB04BBD.30300@skypoint.com> <01092412074400.04738@bleys> <3BB04BBD.30300@skypoint.com> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010925112434.01e1cde0@pop.charter.net> I use Charter and have the ComPORT 2000: http://www.com21.com/products/cable_modems/comport/ss02c.html It does not require USB. You may want to call the cable provider and see which model they provide. -- Mike At 11:08 AM 9/25/01, Shawn wrote: >On Tuesday 25 September 2001 04:17, Steve Horejsi wrote: > > Shawn; > > > > Charter (down here in Lakeville/Apple Valley/Rosemount) uses the Com21 > > stuff. I've had one for almost a year and a half now with no major > > problems. Seems to work fine with Linux. > > > > It's not a very exciting box, but sometimes boring is OK... >-- > >Steve, is it USB or ???? I just went out the sight for Com21, and they are >showing USB devices. I only have one machine that has USB capabilities.... > >--- >Shawn From natecars at real-time.com Tue Sep 25 11:41:12 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Annoying Outlook 5.5sp2+ problem In-Reply-To: <3BB0A800.3090700@webhelp.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Sep 2001, Cha Vang wrote: > Although I did not export the cert this way, exporting to .p12 w/ > openssl and importing w/ IE or Windows seems easier than what I did. > I'd verified this method and it gets rid of Outlook's annoying warnings. Did you import the CA cert, or just the actual SSL cert? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From mbresnah at visi.com Tue Sep 25 13:46:17 2001 From: mbresnah at visi.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Hello, I broke startx In-Reply-To: <20010925145141.ZBAU14069.femail41.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Message-ID: Java is slow for other reasons than the JVM. The language itself is not designed for speed - relative to C/C++. For a nice elaboration of these ideas go here http://www.jelovic.com/articles/why_java_is_slow.htm . Mike ---- > The problem is not the Java language, but the JVM. There are no > JVM's that I > have seen that are as speedy as any native language. It mostly has to do > with the fact the hardware is completely unknown to the program, > and only the > JVM knows about it. Perhaps if someone could write a JVM as a > kernel module > (not just the Java Execicutable as done before) things might run a little > faster, but not much. From florin at iucha.net Tue Sep 25 11:48:21 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Java Ain't so bad. WAS: Hello, I broke startx In-Reply-To: <20010925112557.A3201@llama.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 11:25:58AM -0500 References: <01092422044200.01564@ghazgkull> <20010924230118.A9524@beaver.iucha.org> <20010925112557.A3201@llama.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010925114821.E9524@beaver.iucha.org> On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 11:25:58AM -0500, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 11:01:18PM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > >On Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 10:04:42PM -0500, Jared Burns wrote: > >I would love a decent classbrowser and an embedded vim. Just don't do it in > >java, ok? > > > I used to complain about java too. But then I was forced to install some > java stuff that used java2. I realized that I needed to be more familiar > with the care and feeding of java setups so I decided to install the jdk > and get some apps. > > Since undertaking this trip into curiosity, i've come to the conclusion > that I'd rather use a java app than some gnome or kde based apps. I know > that it's not comparing apples to apples. But lets take for instance > accounting software. I wanted a nice GUI based checkbook register with some > added features. I looked to GNUCash. As I am installing GNUCash I noticed > it depends on all sorts of shit like guppi, gtkhtml, libxml2, gnumeric and > a whole host of other stuff. While I understand the benefits of the DLL > hell that the gnome and kde projects have plunged into from a programmers > point of view, for the guy who just wants one or two gnome / kde based apps > it just sucks. > > Then I found moneydance. Installing it was as simple as utarring it to > /usr/local and running the damn thing. If you chose not to instlal the JDK > itself you could download a larger tarball that has it all and you're done. > > Sure it takes a while to startup, and each new app requires another JVM but > hey, RAM is cheap these days. And the apps work great. > > So all in all I've decided java's not so bad. In fact, i've even taken to > trying to learn how to write a little java and I've found I kinda like it. > It's a good vehicle for a non-programmer like me to try and learn a little > bit about programming. So to resume what you are saying is that it's easier do download a big file than a lot of small files. (JDK/JRE vs Gnome libraries). ??? florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20010925112434.01e1cde0@pop.charter.net> References: <3BB04BBD.30300@skypoint.com> <5.0.0.25.2.20010925112434.01e1cde0@pop.charter.net> Message-ID: <01092512274400.06184@bleys> On Tuesday 25 September 2001 11:34, Mike Paulsen wrote: > I use Charter and have the ComPORT 2000: > http://www.com21.com/products/cable_modems/comport/ss02c.html > > It does not require USB. You may want to call the cable provider and see > which model they provide. > -- Already tried that when I first got pricing and other information. It was like trying to a 5 year old to explain how the internal combustion engine works. --- Shawn "Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do." -Bruce Lee From natecars at real-time.com Tue Sep 25 12:25:54 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] what ports are open on a firewall In-Reply-To: <1001438029.1818.99.camel@lis.llewellyn.com> Message-ID: On 25 Sep 2001, Brady Hegberg wrote: > We have a firewall that was setup by an outside company and we don't > have a way of telling what ports are open except emailing them. Is > there a relatively easy way to tell if a particular port is open? > I'm trying to use a program called hping but I can't seem to make it > work. look up 'nmap' on freshmeat. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From wilson at visi.com Tue Sep 25 12:34:51 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] what ports are open on a firewall In-Reply-To: <1001438029.1818.99.camel@lis.llewellyn.com> Message-ID: On 25 Sep 2001, Brady Hegberg wrote: > We have a firewall that was setup by an outside company and we don't > have a way of telling what ports are open except emailing them. Is > there a relatively easy way to tell if a particular port is open? > I'm trying to use a program called hping but I can't seem to make it > work. Run saint against yourself. It uses nmap as a port scanner behind the scenes. Freshmeat.net should have a link. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From steveg at transition.com Tue Sep 25 12:38:15 2001 From: steveg at transition.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Java Ain't so bad. WAS: Hello, I broke startx Message-ID: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BC017@postman.transition.com> I think what Ben was trying to say is having to deal with all the library dependencies for one or two apps is a pain in the ass. I agree. When downloading Opera I always get the statically linked version that is not dependent on any libraries even though the install is larger. Why? I got all mixed up with library versions a couple of years ago when trying to do a simple upgrade (KDE I think). I got it all futzed up so bad I walked away from Linux for two years. So yes, sometimes it is easier to download one big file than a boatload o' little ones. So to resume what you are saying is that it's easier do download a big file than a lot of small files. (JDK/JRE vs Gnome libraries). ??? florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 From pauljrech at yahoo.com Mon Sep 24 20:27:32 2001 From: pauljrech at yahoo.com (Paul Rech) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I hate Earthlink Message-ID: <20010925012732.40157.qmail@web20606.mail.yahoo.com> Man do they suck. I can get mail, but most of the time I can't send it. The service often doesn't work at all. I tried to call once. The Voice told me it would be over a 35 minute wait to talk to someone. Nice. And they just upped the cost $2 per month to maintain the same crappy level of service. Time to switch. Is there anyone who is happy with their ISP? Real-Time is on my list of new ISP's. Anyone else I should look at? And what the hell is this ping response: ping www.earthlink.net PING www.earthlink.net (207.217.114.200) from 192.168.0.16 : 56(84) bytes of data. From pauljrech at yahoo.com Mon Sep 24 20:30:02 2001 From: pauljrech at yahoo.com (Paul Rech) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Key Message-ID: <20010925013002.74544.qmail@web20607.mail.yahoo.com> I checked Amazon and there is a book called "The Code Book" by Singh. Is that the one? Because there is also a book called "The Codebreakers" by David Kahn. I need to know for sure because I haven't bought a computer book in at least three days. While we're at it, anyone read "Crypto" by Steven Levy? It gets good reviews. However, I thought he was the guy who wrote that fawning piece about M$ in Newsweek couple years ago. "M$ has the best software, M$ has the smartest people, if they don't they'll just hire the smartest people and then write the best software". Not an exact quote but you get the idea. If that's the same guy, you got to question his judgement. Paul "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > > For anyone who's interested in a nice discussion of the role > > of cryptography in history and a good description of public > > key cryptography I would recommend Simon Singh's "The > > Codebreakers." A very entertaining piece of geek writing. > > This is an *excellent* book. It runs through the history of different > ciphers and how to break them. Note that all 10 crypto challenges at the > end of the book were cracked last year. Singh also wrote Fermat's Enigma, > which is an excellent book on Fermat's Last Theorem. Interestingly enough, > the proof for Fermat's Enigma uses techniques that didn't exist back in > 1630, so fermat's proof (if he truly had one) was most certainly quite > different. If you're going on a book spree, get these two, you won't be > able to put them down. Singh makes otherwise dry topics quite interesting > reading. > > Jay ===== Paul Rech pauljrech@acm.org pauljrech@yahoo.com 651-430-9935 hm 651-246-6823 cell "The instructions said "Win95 or better required". So I installed Linux" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From homebrewmike at yahoo.com Tue Sep 25 12:47:37 2001 From: homebrewmike at yahoo.com (Mike White) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux DA - any takers? Message-ID: <20010925174737.78211.qmail@web10205.mail.yahoo.com> So, has anyone purchased the Linux DA stuff for Palm? I've given the demo a go, and it works reasonably well, but (IMHO) not quite as well as the PalmOS. Opinions? -Mike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From wilson at visi.com Tue Sep 25 12:58:33 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Key In-Reply-To: <20010925013002.74544.qmail@web20607.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Sep 2001, Paul Rech wrote: > I checked Amazon and there is a book called "The Code > Book" by Singh. > Is that the one? Yep. Sorry. > Because there is also a book called "The Codebreakers" > by David Kahn. This is another good one, but a significantly more comprehensive one. Kahn's is probably the standard history of crypto book out there. For a quick intro and enjoyable read, you can't beat Singh. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From nate at techie.com Tue Sep 25 13:02:14 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next Meeting -- procmail presentation? In-Reply-To: ; from andy@theasis.com on Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 11:05:28AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010925130214.A20595@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 11:05:28AM -0500, andy@theasis.com wrote: > - The publisher may be able to provide copies of Marty's book, A Procmail > Companion, at a reduced price for LUG members. If that's gonna happen we > need a count of interested parties, and probably also some help in > distributing the books at the meeting. > Autographs will be available as desired, I suspect. Are sample chapters or a TOC available anywhere? I would love to have a good reference and examples for procmail, but I need to flip through a copy of it before I'll put money down. Nate From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Sep 25 13:04:57 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux DA - any takers? In-Reply-To: <20010925174737.78211.qmail@web10205.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hey, On Tue, 25 Sep 2001, Mike White wrote: > Opinions? URLs? -Yaron -- From mbresnah at visi.com Tue Sep 25 15:10:09 2001 From: mbresnah at visi.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Java Ain't so bad. WAS: Hello, I broke startx In-Reply-To: <20010925112557.A3201@llama.sistina.com> Message-ID: For similar reasons it is much easier to develop applications with Java than with C++. It can be a major pain to get a set of C++ libraries to compile and link together... Were they all compiled with exception support? Are they COFF or ELF or XXX? Are they all thread safe? Which thread API do they use? How ANSI compliant are the headers? Oh no, they named their widget with the same name as our giget. Why or why didn't they use namespaces? Oops another Microsoft non-standard extension. Do they use the same name mangling scheme? Which version of GCC were they compiled with. Which version of the GNU runtime libraries work with this compiler? Oh you mean I have to download this patch from Oogle's site in order to make GCC 4.5 work with Kobop's libraries? Template friends have not yet been implemeted in this compiler. I could continue for your viewing pleasure, but I must run. Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Ben Lutgens > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 9:26 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Java Ain't so bad. WAS: Hello, I broke startx > > > On Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 11:01:18PM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > >On Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 10:04:42PM -0500, Jared Burns wrote: > >I would love a decent classbrowser and an embedded vim. Just > don't do it in > >java, ok? > > > I used to complain about java too. But then I was forced to install some > java stuff that used java2. I realized that I needed to be more familiar > with the care and feeding of java setups so I decided to install the jdk > and get some apps. > > Since undertaking this trip into curiosity, i've come to the conclusion > that I'd rather use a java app than some gnome or kde based apps. I know > that it's not comparing apples to apples. But lets take for instance > accounting software. I wanted a nice GUI based checkbook register > with some > added features. I looked to GNUCash. As I am installing GNUCash I noticed > it depends on all sorts of shit like guppi, gtkhtml, libxml2, gnumeric and > a whole host of other stuff. While I understand the benefits of the DLL > hell that the gnome and kde projects have plunged into from a programmers > point of view, for the guy who just wants one or two gnome / kde > based apps > it just sucks. > > Then I found moneydance. Installing it was as simple as utarring it to > /usr/local and running the damn thing. If you chose not to instlal the JDK > itself you could download a larger tarball that has it all and > you're done. > > Sure it takes a while to startup, and each new app requires > another JVM but > hey, RAM is cheap these days. And the apps work great. > > So all in all I've decided java's not so bad. In fact, i've even taken to > trying to learn how to write a little java and I've found I kinda like it. > It's a good vehicle for a non-programmer like me to try and learn a little > bit about programming. > > > -- > Ben Lutgens > Sistina Software Inc. > > "In the war against terrorism, there are no rear lines. We're all on the > front lines" - William Cohen > From thomas at stderr.net Tue Sep 25 13:07:52 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Java Ain't so bad. WAS: Hello, I broke startx In-Reply-To: <20010925114821.E9524@beaver.iucha.org>; from florin@iucha.net on Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 11:48:21AM -0500 References: <01092422044200.01564@ghazgkull> <20010924230118.A9524@beaver.iucha.org> <20010925112557.A3201@llama.sistina.com> <20010925114821.E9524@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010925200751.F77283@io.stderr.net> On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 11:48:21AM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 11:25:58AM -0500, Ben Lutgens wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 11:01:18PM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > > >On Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 10:04:42PM -0500, Jared Burns wrote: > > >I would love a decent classbrowser and an embedded vim. Just don't do it in > > >java, ok? > > > > > I used to complain about java too. But then I was forced to install some > > java stuff that used java2. I realized that I needed to be more familiar > > with the care and feeding of java setups so I decided to install the jdk > > and get some apps. > > > > Since undertaking this trip into curiosity, i've come to the conclusion > > that I'd rather use a java app than some gnome or kde based apps. I know > > that it's not comparing apples to apples. But lets take for instance > > accounting software. I wanted a nice GUI based checkbook register with some > > added features. I looked to GNUCash. As I am installing GNUCash I noticed > > it depends on all sorts of shit like guppi, gtkhtml, libxml2, gnumeric and > > a whole host of other stuff. While I understand the benefits of the DLL > > hell that the gnome and kde projects have plunged into from a programmers > > point of view, for the guy who just wants one or two gnome / kde based apps > > it just sucks. > > > > Then I found moneydance. Installing it was as simple as utarring it to > > /usr/local and running the damn thing. If you chose not to instlal the JDK > > itself you could download a larger tarball that has it all and you're done. > > > > Sure it takes a while to startup, and each new app requires another JVM but > > hey, RAM is cheap these days. And the apps work great. > > > > So all in all I've decided java's not so bad. In fact, i've even taken to > > trying to learn how to write a little java and I've found I kinda like it. > > It's a good vehicle for a non-programmer like me to try and learn a little > > bit about programming. > > So to resume what you are saying is that it's easier do download a big > file than a lot of small files. (JDK/JRE vs Gnome libraries). We all know Ben is using Gentoo, that's why he doesn't like that, 'cause he has to make the dependencies himself, not like debian where you just apt-get install ;-) -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From bradyh at bitstream.net Tue Sep 25 13:11:42 2001 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I hate Earthlink In-Reply-To: <20010925012732.40157.qmail@web20606.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010925012732.40157.qmail@web20606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1001441502.1816.120.camel@lis.llewellyn.com> I've been with Bitstream Underground (www.bitstream.net) since the dawn of (Minnesota internet) time and I've been quite happy with them. > Man do they suck. > > I can get mail, but most of the time I can't send it. > > The service often doesn't work at all. > I tried to call once. The Voice told me it would be > over a 35 minute wait to talk to someone. Nice. > > And they just upped the cost $2 per month to maintain > the same crappy level of service. > > Time to switch. > > Is there anyone who is happy with their ISP? > > Real-Time is on my list of new ISP's. > Anyone else I should look at? > > And what the hell is this ping response: > > ping www.earthlink.net > PING www.earthlink.net (207.217.114.200) from > 192.168.0.16 : 56(84) bytes of data. > >From v200-dnr02-pas.neteng.itd.earthlink.net > (207.217.2.29): Packet filtered > >From v264-dnr02-pas.neteng.itd.earthlink.net > (207.217.2.93): Packet filtered > > > Paul > > > > ===== > Paul Rech > pauljrech@acm.org pauljrech@yahoo.com > 651-430-9935 hm 651-246-6823 cell > > "The instructions said "Win95 or better required". So I installed Linux" > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From steveg at transition.com Tue Sep 25 13:18:08 2001 From: steveg at transition.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I hate Earthlink Message-ID: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BC018@postman.transition.com> I was with Bitstream Underground until cable came to my neck of the woods. Never had any trouble with them. I had a dial up account and I think in the two years I was with them I got a busy once. If I lost my cable I would go back to them. -----Original Message----- From: Brady Hegberg [mailto:bradyh@bitstream.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 1:12 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] I hate Earthlink I've been with Bitstream Underground (www.bitstream.net) since the dawn of (Minnesota internet) time and I've been quite happy with them. > Man do they suck. > > I can get mail, but most of the time I can't send it. > > The service often doesn't work at all. > I tried to call once. The Voice told me it would be > over a 35 minute wait to talk to someone. Nice. > > And they just upped the cost $2 per month to maintain > the same crappy level of service. > > Time to switch. > > Is there anyone who is happy with their ISP? > > Real-Time is on my list of new ISP's. > Anyone else I should look at? > > And what the hell is this ping response: > > ping www.earthlink.net > PING www.earthlink.net (207.217.114.200) from > 192.168.0.16 : 56(84) bytes of data. > >From v200-dnr02-pas.neteng.itd.earthlink.net > (207.217.2.29): Packet filtered > >From v264-dnr02-pas.neteng.itd.earthlink.net > (207.217.2.93): Packet filtered > > > Paul > > > > ===== > Paul Rech > pauljrech@acm.org pauljrech@yahoo.com > 651-430-9935 hm 651-246-6823 cell > > "The instructions said "Win95 or better required". So I installed Linux" > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Rodney.Ray at childrenshc.org Tue Sep 25 13:27:24 2001 From: Rodney.Ray at childrenshc.org (Rodney Ray) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall / Router Message-ID: I just got a cable modem with ATT and was wondering what people have for firewall and router. I don't know much about this area so any help would be good..... Is it ok to run both functions on the same box or is it better to separate them? What is the best method of attack? Rodney Ray Children's Hospital and Clinics Data Warehouse Developer 651-855-2560 rodney.ray@childrenshc.org From eric at urbanrage.com Tue Sep 25 13:38:53 2001 From: eric at urbanrage.com (eric) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Hello, I broke startx References: <01092509232200.01492@radiohead.min.oti.com> Message-ID: <3BB0CF3D.B88B425@urbanrage.com> Jared Burns wrote: > > Interesting. > > After I log into the console, if I echo $PATH, it shows "/usr/X11R6/bin" as > the last entry. However, if I add "echo $PATH" at the top of my > /usr/X11R6/bin/startx script, the last entry says "/usr/X11R6/bin=". I don't > know where the '=' is coming from, but that seems to be the problem. > > If I do as someone (I'm writing this from work where I don't have my full > email history) suggested, startx succeeds, with a path that ends with > "/usr/X11R6/bin=:/usr/X11R6/bin" When I get home from work, I'll try to track > down where that extra '=' is coming from. Sounds like it's crossing shells, if you have something like setenv PATH=/usr/X11R6/bin you'll end up with the trailing = (cause it's bash/sh notation in a csh/tcsh shell) try setenv PATH /usr/X11R6/bin instead Eric From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Sep 25 13:45:31 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next Meeting -- procmail presentation? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010925134531.N27957@ringworld.org> * andy@theasis.com [010925 11:10]: > - Will the meeting definitely occur on Sat 6 Oct? > Where? > Roughly how many people can we expect to attend? University of MN,eecsci bldg 12-2? Unless someone tells me by the end of today. I need to let ACM know asap. I'll make up a postscript file for flyers too. > - The publisher may be able to provide copies of Marty's book, A Procmail > Companion, at a reduced price for LUG members. If that's gonna happen we > need a count of interested parties, and probably also some help in > distributing the books at the meeting. I'm interested! -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net "History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." - Justice Thurgood Marshall (1989) From florin at iucha.net Tue Sep 25 13:57:53 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Java Ain't so bad. WAS: Hello, I broke startx In-Reply-To: ; from mbresnah@visi.com on Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 01:10:09PM -0700 References: <20010925112557.A3201@llama.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20010925135752.F9524@beaver.iucha.org> On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 01:10:09PM -0700, Mike Bresnahan wrote: > For similar reasons it is much easier to develop applications with Java than > with C++. It can be a major pain to get a set of C++ libraries to compile > and link together... Major pain as in "I have to pay $30 for 2 CDs or download them for free"? Any distribution has this sorted, ya'know? > Were they all compiled with exception support? Are > they COFF or ELF or XXX? I do not have C++ with XXX linkage. Only some JPGs... > Are they all thread safe? What? _Any_ code can be not thread safe, even a java package you get from somewhere... > Which thread API do > they use? How ANSI compliant are the headers? Oh no, they named their > widget with the same name as our giget. Why or why didn't they use > namespaces? Oops another Microsoft non-standard extension. Namespaces is a very _STANDARD_ thing. Not Microsoft, not extension. > Do they use the > same name mangling scheme? If not compiled with the same compiler (/version) no, for obvious reasons: because vendors do not want to agree on a common ABI, so they can lock you in their "standard". > Which version of GCC were they compiled with. > Which version of the GNU runtime libraries work with this compiler? Oh you > mean I have to download this patch from Oogle's site in order to make GCC > 4.5 work with Kobop's libraries? What have this to do with C++ specifically? > Template friends have not yet been > implemeted in this compiler. I could continue for your viewing pleasure, > but I must run. Sure... run. You can run but you can't hide... florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Not necessarily a bad thing. >>From v200-dnr02-pas.neteng.itd.earthlink.net >(207.217.2.29): Packet filtered >>From v264-dnr02-pas.neteng.itd.earthlink.net >(207.217.2.93): Packet filtered > > >Paul > > > >===== >Paul Rech >pauljrech@acm.org pauljrech@yahoo.com >651-430-9935 hm 651-246-6823 cell > >"The instructions said "Win95 or better required". So I installed Linux" > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >tclug-list mailing list >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. "In the war against terrorism, there are no rear lines. We're all on the front lines" - William Cohen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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My point is (And I'm not trashing the gnome / kde projects) I installed jdk1.3, and to make a java app work it's quite simple. But even though I have a great deal of stuff installed for galeon, I still needed around 4 or 5 more ( not exactly small ) packages to support GNUCash. It eats up a good bit of disk space and time to compile all that stuff. And god help you if the dependancy is on a less-than-stable-devel-version of the package in question. Like I said, gnome and kde are great but don't discount java because it's memory handling is really slow. Never limit yourself to choices due to a preconcieved notion. I had gotten a bad taste in my mouth over a java experience I had a few years back and had shunned all java since. I have realized that this was pretty stupid, and am not so quick to decide something is a Bad Thing. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. "In the war against terrorism, there are no rear lines. 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WAS: Hello, I broke startx In-Reply-To: <20010925200751.F77283@io.stderr.net>; from thomas@stderr.net on Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 08:07:52PM +0200 References: <01092422044200.01564@ghazgkull> <20010924230118.A9524@beaver.iucha.org> <20010925112557.A3201@llama.sistina.com> <20010925114821.E9524@beaver.iucha.org> <20010925200751.F77283@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20010925141110.A869@llama.sistina.com> On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 08:07:52PM +0200, Thomas Eibner wrote: >We all know Ben is using Gentoo, that's why he doesn't like that, 'cause >he has to make the dependencies himself, not like debian where you just >apt-get install > Actually all those packages are in the portage tree. that's not the point. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. "In the war against terrorism, there are no rear lines. We're all on the front lines" - William Cohen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010925/350f37c0/attachment.pgp From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Sep 25 14:22:03 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Key Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF13@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> "The Code Book" is the one you want. "Crypto" is good, but not nearly as entertaining as "The Code Book." It's more of a history of crypto and fights with the government over it. > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Rech [mailto:pauljrech@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 8:30 PM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' tclug main > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] The Key > > > I checked Amazon and there is a book called "The Code > Book" by Singh. > Is that the one? > > Because there is also a book called "The Codebreakers" > by David Kahn. > > I need to know for sure because I haven't bought a > computer book in at least three days. > > While we're at it, anyone read "Crypto" by Steven > Levy? > It gets good reviews. > > However, I thought he was the guy who wrote that > fawning piece about M$ in Newsweek couple years ago. > > "M$ has the best software, M$ has the smartest > people, if they don't they'll just hire the smartest > people and then write the best software". > > Not an exact quote but you get the idea. > > If that's the same guy, you got to question his > judgement. > > Paul > > > > > > > > "Austad, Jay" wrote: > > > > > For anyone who's interested in a nice discussion > of the role > > > of cryptography in history and a good description > of public > > > key cryptography I would recommend Simon Singh's > "The > > > Codebreakers." A very entertaining piece of geek > writing. > > > > This is an *excellent* book. It runs through the > history of different > > ciphers and how to break them. Note that all 10 > crypto challenges at the > > end of the book were cracked last year. Singh also > wrote Fermat's Enigma, > > which is an excellent book on Fermat's Last Theorem. > Interestingly enough, > > the proof for Fermat's Enigma uses techniques that > didn't exist back in > > 1630, so fermat's proof (if he truly had one) was > most certainly quite > > different. If you're going on a book spree, get > these two, you won't be > > able to put them down. Singh makes otherwise dry > topics quite interesting > > reading. > > > > Jay > > > ===== > Paul Rech > pauljrech@acm.org pauljrech@yahoo.com > 651-430-9935 hm 651-246-6823 cell > > "The instructions said "Win95 or better required". So I > installed Linux" > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with > Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Sep 25 14:24:06 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall / Router Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF14@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Try Smoothwall (http://www.smoothwall.org). It's free, simple, and you can run it on an old 486. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Rodney Ray [mailto:Rodney.Ray@childrenshc.org] > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 1:27 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall / Router > > > I just got a cable modem with ATT and was wondering what > people have for firewall and router. I don't know much about > this area so any help would be good..... Is it ok to run both > functions on the same box or is it better to separate them? > What is the best method of attack? > > Rodney Ray > Children's Hospital and Clinics > Data Warehouse Developer > 651-855-2560 > rodney.ray@childrenshc.org > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From mbresnah at visi.com Tue Sep 25 16:30:14 2001 From: mbresnah at visi.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Java Ain't so bad. WAS: Hello, I broke startx In-Reply-To: <20010925135752.F9524@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: Disclaimer: Poke, poke, it was supposed to be humorous. I code as much C++ as I do Java and like both languages. I was just pointing out some of my pet peves about C++ development. > > Are they all thread safe? > > What? _Any_ code can be not thread safe, even a java package you get > from somewhere... Yes, but I've found that a given C++ library is much less likely to be thread safe than a given Java library. Many C++ developers don't want to take the performance hit of making everything thread safe. Plus, you often have to turn on/off compiler flags to produce thread safe code. For example, HP's cfront compiler's exception implementation is not compatible with threads. Plus there's no de-facto standard C++ threads implementation. There are 4 different implementations that I can think of off the top of my head: fake POSIX, real POSIX, Win32, Sun LWP. This leads to mucho compatibility problems. Java has simplified this mess by providing threads as part of the language, albeit with some costs. > > Which thread API do > > they use? How ANSI compliant are the headers? Oh no, they named their > > widget with the same name as our giget. Why or why didn't they use > > namespaces? Oops another Microsoft non-standard extension. > > Namespaces is a very _STANDARD_ thing. Not Microsoft, not extension. Yes, but not all C++ compilers implement namespaces and hardly anyone uses them on the compilers that do. For example, Microsoft still uses name prefixing scheme (IDirectX8This, IDirectX8That) when its being nice and the rest of the time it polutes the global namespace with all sorts of goop (TRUE, FALSE, DWORD, LPDWORD, WORD, ...). > > Do > they use the > > same name mangling scheme? > > If not compiled with the same compiler (/version) no, for obvious reasons: > because vendors do not want to agree on a common ABI, so they can lock > you in their "standard". Vendor lock is something Java hopes to fix. > > Which version of GCC were they compiled with. > > Which version of the GNU runtime libraries work with this > compiler? Oh you > > mean I have to download this patch from Oogle's site in order > to make GCC > > 4.5 work with Kobop's libraries? > > What have this to do with C++ specifically? Just ranting about a typical C++ development project. Mike From sextus at visi.com Tue Sep 25 14:37:09 2001 From: sextus at visi.com (Michael Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I hate Earthlink In-Reply-To: <20010925012732.40157.qmail@web20606.mail.yahoo.com>; from Paul Rech on Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 06:27:32PM -0700 References: <20010925012732.40157.qmail@web20606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010925143709.A10131@visi.com> ON Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 06:27:32PM -0700, Paul Rech wrote: > Is there anyone who is happy with their ISP? > > Real-Time is on my list of new ISP's. > Anyone else I should look at? I recommend VISI, http://www.visi.com, even though their website sucks. -- Michael From Phillip.J.Crump at WellsFargo.COM Tue Sep 25 14:46:38 2001 From: Phillip.J.Crump at WellsFargo.COM (Phillip.J.Crump@WellsFargo.COM) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall / Router Message-ID: <43353280FCFFD211971E00005801192E069B8488@msgmsp15.norwest.com> I have a linksys cable/dsl router.. just hooked it up to a AT&T cable modem last night.. has many options: specific machine DMZ, specific port forwarding, NAT etc.. http://www.linksys.com/products/product.asp?prid=20&grid=5 got it at CompUsa for about $129.. - Phillip > -----Original Message----- > From: Rodney Ray [SMTP:Rodney.Ray@childrenshc.org] > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 1:27 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall / Router > > I just got a cable modem with ATT and was wondering what people have for > firewall and router. I don't know much about this area so any help would > be good..... Is it ok to run both functions on the same box or is it > better to separate them? What is the best method of attack? > > Rodney Ray > Children's Hospital and Clinics > Data Warehouse Developer > 651-855-2560 > rodney.ray@childrenshc.org > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at techie.com Tue Sep 25 14:48:30 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall / Router In-Reply-To: ; from Rodney.Ray@childrenshc.org on Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 01:27:24PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010925144830.A25562@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 01:27:24PM -0500, Rodney Ray wrote: > I just got a cable modem with ATT and was wondering what people have > for firewall and router. I don't know much about this area so any help > would be good..... Is it ok to run both functions on the same box or > is it better to separate them? What is the best method of attack? I chose to put OpenBSD on a box to use as a firewall. Writing firewall rules in OpenBSD (or anything that uses ipf) has to be the easiest of all systems. Then again, the last Linux firewall I looked at was ipchains *shiver*. Nate From PaulHarris at Bigfoot.com Tue Sep 25 15:07:06 2001 From: PaulHarris at Bigfoot.com (Paul Harris) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I hate Earthlink Message-ID: <20010925200706.16537.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> I use usfamily.net. Cheap, good service, national access if you need it, and a charged 1-800 connection number if you're really desparate. And works first time with Linux and the other operating system. Cheers, Paul {snip} > > Man do they suck. > Is there anyone who is happy with their ISP? > > Real-Time is on my list of new ISP's. > Anyone else I should look at? From Rodney.Ray at childrenshc.org Tue Sep 25 15:20:38 2001 From: Rodney.Ray at childrenshc.org (Rodney Ray) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall / Router Message-ID: Do you know if smoothwall will work with At&t's network. Someone was telling me that at&t doesn't play well with linux. Although I don't know what the issue is.......... do's anyone know???? >>> austad@marketwatch.com 9/25/01 2:24:06 PM >>> Try Smoothwall (http://www.smoothwall.org). It's free, simple, and you can run it on an old 486. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Rodney Ray [mailto:Rodney.Ray@childrenshc.org] > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 1:27 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall / Router > > > I just got a cable modem with ATT and was wondering what > people have for firewall and router. I don't know much about > this area so any help would be good..... Is it ok to run both > functions on the same box or is it better to separate them? > What is the best method of attack? > > Rodney Ray > Children's Hospital and Clinics > Data Warehouse Developer > 651-855-2560 > rodney.ray@childrenshc.org > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Tue Sep 25 15:20:41 2001 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Java Ain't so bad Message-ID: <8794B3B640FED2118D8600C00D0020A593F929@ipserver2.interplastic.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Sep 2001, Michael Burns wrote: > I recommend VISI, http://www.visi.com, even though their website sucks. I second that, I got to talk to a live tech on a Friday evening at 7:00 PM who was more than happy to solve my account problem. I was very impressed. This was before I was a TCLUG member, knowing what I know now I'd probably go with Real Time just because I know where to find them if I'm having problems! :-) -Brian From homebrewmike at yahoo.com Tue Sep 25 13:42:06 2001 From: homebrewmike at yahoo.com (Mike White) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Linux DA - URL Message-ID: <20010925184206.93602.qmail@web10201.mail.yahoo.com> http://www.linuxda.com Specifically: http://www.linuxda.com/products/index.html LinuxDA for Palm almost seems more like a proof of concept than a real deal. But, I believe I saw something on slashdot that made mention of a company making another linux pda that uses LinuxDA. The cool thing: it costs about $90. ( http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/09/22/0355227&mode=thread ) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From florin at iucha.net Tue Sep 25 16:07:53 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Java Ain't so bad. WAS: Hello, I broke startx In-Reply-To: ; from mbresnah@visi.com on Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 02:30:14PM -0700 References: <20010925135752.F9524@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: <20010925160753.G9524@beaver.iucha.org> On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 02:30:14PM -0700, Mike Bresnahan wrote: > > > Are they all thread safe? > > > > What? _Any_ code can be not thread safe, even a java package you get > > from somewhere... > > Yes, but I've found that a given C++ library is much less likely to be > thread safe than a given Java library. Then complain to the library vendor. Or fix it. And b) Java libraries today are implemented by the same people that yesterday coded that C++ library. Don't expect miracles. > Many C++ developers don't want to > take the performance hit of making everything thread safe. Plus, you often > have to turn on/off compiler flags to produce thread safe code. For > example, HP's cfront compiler's exception implementation is not compatible > with threads. Plus there's no de-facto standard C++ threads implementation. > There are 4 different implementations that I can think of off the top of my > head: fake POSIX, real POSIX, Win32, Sun LWP. This leads to mucho > compatibility problems. Java has simplified this mess by providing threads > as part of the language, albeit with some costs. > > > > Namespaces is a very _STANDARD_ thing. Not Microsoft, not extension. > > Yes, but not all C++ compilers implement namespaces Again, complain to the vendor or switch parforms. > and hardly anyone uses > them on the compilers that do. For example, Microsoft still uses name > prefixing scheme (IDirectX8This, IDirectX8That) when its being nice and the > rest of the time it polutes the global namespace with all sorts of goop > (TRUE, FALSE, DWORD, LPDWORD, WORD, ...). Please do not give/take Microsoft as a source of good code quality and standards. > > If not compiled with the same compiler (/version) no, for obvious reasons: > > because vendors do not want to agree on a common ABI, so they can lock > > you in their "standard". > > Vendor lock is something Java hopes to fix. Hmm.... Read your sentence aloud until the problem is obvious. If not, scroll.. Cheers, florin * The solution is ##### # # # # # # # # ## # # # # # # # ##### # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ## ##### ##### # # -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Lunch will be -- -- limited to 5% over our pre-registration total. -- ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------- -- Check the Web for details on our prestigious -- -- guest, Professor Kristin Nygaard, speaking at -- -- the October 11th luncheon program that follows -- -- the wireless event by just 2 weeks. -- ------------------------------------------------------- The Twin Cities IEEE Computer Society Invites You to Attend: "A Seminar on Wireless Communications" Saturday, September 29, 2001 8:30am until 3:00pm at the Radisson Hotel South (I-494 and 100) Minneapolis, Minnesota To register: http://www.comp.tc-ieee.org/register.html (or email the registration below) Cost: $15 for full time undergraduate students $25 for Computer Society Members $30 for non-members Pay at the door, cash or check are gladly accepted. Sorry, we cannot process credit cards at this time. Program Schedule: 08:30 - 09:00 -- Registration 09:00 - 10:00 -- Wireless from an ISP Perspective 10:00 - 11:00 -- Wireless from an Enterprise Perspective 11:00 - 12:00 -- Wireless Telephony and the Internet 12:00 - 01:00 -- Lunch 01:00 - 02:00 -- Bluetooth Wireless Technology Overview 02:00 - 03:00 -- Panel Discussion About the Presentations: WLAN, WEP, 802.11b, WAP, 3G, Wi-Fi, 802.11a, WPAN, Bluetooth(tm),... Wireless communication technologies are among the hottest in our industry. Join us for this half day seminar where we will look at wireless networking from several perspectives. Speaker Abstracts and Biographies: (Note: please check the Web for complete program details and speaker biographies) ------------------------------------------------------------------- Wireless from an ISP Perspective: This talk will discuss the use of fixed wireless broadband technology to provide high-speed Internet access. The discussion will cover the design, deployment, and operation of a wireless network. Other topics to be covered include technology trends, the advantages and disadvantages of various spectrum areas, and network design and architecture. Travis Carter is co-founder and VP of Technology of US Internet Corporation. He has over thirteen years of experience in the computer/network industry including extensive experience at the Carlson Companies (Radisson Hotels / TGI Friday / Carlson Travel) deploying local/wide area networking products and services to all US, European, and Asian divisions. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Wireless from an Enterprise Perspective: Wireless LAN Access Points are cheap and easy to install, and provide open access to your network--even through walls. Users do not always understand the problems and risks involved in adding their own network infrastructure to an existing (and, presumably, managed) network. This problem is compounded by the lack of containability of wireless networks. Taking control of, and managing wireless infrastructure is a daunting task for any medium to large-sized enterprise. In this talk, we will go over the dangers of medium- to large-scale wireless deployment and discuss some of the solutions under investigation at the University of Minnesota. Chris Hertel is a Network Design Engineer at the University of Minnesota. He is a member of the Samba Development Team, and a founding member of the jCIFS Project. At the University, his duties include creating a design for campus-wide 802.11b wireless infrastructure. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Wireless Telephony and the Internet: Have you ever wondered how roaming works? Do you know what cloning is -- and are you aware of the impressive system that is now in place in some areas to prevent it? What is Wireless Application Protocol (WAP), 3G, and where is the wireless industry going? It is predicted that in two or three years the number of wireless handsets connected to the Internet will exceed the number of PC's. That is a powerful statement. What is happening here? John Rooks is Executive Director of the Institute for Wireless Education in Mankato. Immediately upon completing college he joined the aerospace industry and has been involved in various government and industrial ventures ever since. He has an extensive background in aerospace sounding rockets, magnetic recording, laser printing, satellite communication, and now wireless communication. He holds a Bachelor of Science in Electrical Engineering from the University of Michigan. He is a Senior Member of the IEEE, a registered Professional Engineer, and he holds several patents. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Bluetooth Wireless Technology Overview: Bluetooth short-range radio technology provides low cost, low power, wireless connections for mobile computers and related devices. Originally envisioned for simple cable replacement, the Bluetooth standard has evolved to include the concepts of ubiquitous peer-to-peer computing and dynamic Personal Area Networks (PANs). This talk will include an overview of Bluetooth technologies, a survey of commercial products and applications, and a discussion of the benefits and pitfalls in applying Bluetooth technologies in a tactical military environment. Craig Meyer is a systems engineer at Lockheed Martin Tactical Systems in Eagan, Minnesota where he is currently researching wireless and mobile computing technologies for the tactical military environment. He has been with Lockheed Martin and its predecessor companies for 20 years. His current research interests include Bluetooth wireless communications, mobile computing, peer- to-peer networks, human machine interfaces, Java technologies, and server clusters. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Panel Discussion on Wireless Technologies: Join our speakers in a wide open discussion of issues, debates, and controversies in the fast changing wireless technology fields. We will let the audience direct the discussion toward any areas if interest. 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If that's gonna happen we > > need a count of interested parties, and probably also some help in > > distributing the books at the meeting. > > Autographs will be available as desired, I suspect. > > Are sample chapters or a TOC available anywhere? I would love to have a > good reference and examples for procmail, but I need to flip through a > copy of it before I'll put money down. > > Nate Sure thing: http://www.it-minds.com/detail.asp?item=100000000015413 Unfortunately, the only sample chapter is the first, and as you know those tend to be introductory. I'm not asking for commitments at the moment, I just want a good guess of how many copies to haul around. You can certainly take time to flip through a copy at the meeting. ToC below. Andy ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Foreword Preface CH1 - What Is Procmail? What is Procmail For? The Basics Of Email The History The Ingredients CH2 - Setting Up Procmail Obtaining And Installing Procmail Controlling Mail Delivery With Procmail Setting Up Procmail For Users Creating A .forward File Running Procmail Manually Running Procmail Manually To Reprocess A Mailbox Running Procmail Manually To Test Recipes Debugging Procmail Recipes CH3 - Simple Filtering of Email With Procmail Setting Up A Basic .procmailrc File Improving Efficiency It Is Never That Easy! Making Copies Multiple Conditions In A Recipe Disposing Of Mails Working With Emails By Size Nesting Blocks CH4 - More Complex Filtering More Complex Filtering Using Procmail Regular Expressions Regular Expressions Matching Beginnings and Ends Matching Individual Characters Character Classes Sequence Metacharacters Wildcard Confusion Word Boundaries Built-In Shortcuts Defining Variables Using the Head and the Body Other Recipe Flags Adding Complexity To Conditional Lines Matching A Condition In The Head Or Body Matching A Condition Against A Variable OR Conditionals and the Else Flag Backreferences - Using What You Have Already Matched Scoring The Theory Of Scoring Limits External Programs Capturing Output Into Variables Extracting Data From Mail And Filter Recipes Using External Programs In Condition Lines Where The External Programs Are To Be Found CH5 - Using Procmail to Manage Mailing Lists Announcement Mailing List Discussion List Dedicated Mailing List Software CH6 - Troubleshooting CH7 - Invoking Procmail Procmail As A Delivery Agent Procmail As A General Purpose Mail Filter Procmail As A Mail Reprocessor Invoking Formail CH8 - Macros and Environment Variables CH9 - Recipe Syntax Variables Comments Recipes CH10 - CookBook The Basics Directing Mail To Separate Mailboxes Directing A Single Mail To Multiple Mailboxes Handling Mail From Mailing Lists OR-ing Conditions Recognising Text That Can Be Split Across A Line-End Removing '[ListName]' From Subject Lines Setting The Default Delivery Location To Be A Forwarding Address Appendix A - Sample Build -- Martin McCarthy /\ http://www.ancient-scotland.co.uk / Message-ID: <3BB0FAD4.4060902@haxxed.com> > Awhile back a friend of mine wrote a small app in VB to change the 3 > screens (logo.sys, logow.sys, logos.sys I think?). The trick is that they > need to be 8 bit BMP, resized to 400hx320w (yes, the dimensions are > opposite what you'd think, I have no idea why they did it that > way). There are also kits out there for making animated BMPs but they're Its 320x400. Its using 320x200 256color VGA mode, hacked to remove line doubling. Thus 320x400. Its actually possible to squeeze 360x480 256colors out of even the lowliest VGA card. But it makes the framebuffer nonlinear. Ah, good ol' hardware register abuse... From seg at haxxed.com Tue Sep 25 16:48:44 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] weird Mozilla problem References: <20010923190401.A4580@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: <3BB0FBBC.1090107@haxxed.com> Dan Drake wrote: > Okay, this is driving me totally batty. > > Mozilla is not properly loading web pages. It gets "stuck" on a server. For > instance, I'll be at "foo.com" and I type in "bar.com/webpage.html". What > Mozilla will do is try to load foo.com/webpage.html . Hitting reload > doesn't help. Clearing the memory and disk caches sometimes helps. > > I'm using Mozilla 0.9.4 on a Debian testing box. I've set the memory and > disk cache to 0, and I told it to compare the page in the cache to the page > on the network "Every time I view the page". Have you tried it *with* cache on? Not even memory cache is probably a bad thing. ;P I'm not having any problems with .9.4 on RedHat 7.1 using the mozilla.org rpms. From tl at assimilated.org Tue Sep 25 17:10:12 2001 From: tl at assimilated.org (tim lupfer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I hate Earthlink In-Reply-To: <20010925012732.40157.qmail@web20606.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010925012732.40157.qmail@web20606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <15281.196.474139.683707@matilda.assimilated.org> >>>>> "Paul" == Paul Rech writes: Paul> Time to switch. Paul> Is there anyone who is happy with their ISP? Can't complain about 300k/sec downloads :P Paul> Real-Time is on my list of new ISP's. Anyone else I should Paul> look at? In my experience, tcinternet is great for dialup, att for broadband. -- ============================================== timothy lupfer http://www.assimilated.org tl@assimilated.org tlupfe01@euclid.hamline.edu ============================================== Q: How do you keep a moron in suspense? From kyle at portogo.net Tue Sep 25 17:19:36 2001 From: kyle at portogo.net (Kyle Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SGI 320 Running Linux? Message-ID: Has anyone successfully installed Linux on one of these? I have one at work and would like to get Linux running along with Windoze NT. Thanks in Advance, Kyle Kyle Johnson Portogo, Inc. 118 East 26th Street Suite 300 Minneapolis, MN 55404 Email: kyle@portogo.com Office: 612. 870.0410 Direct: 612. 282.6921 Fax: 612. 870.4713 Web: www.portogo.com From mbresnah at visi.com Tue Sep 25 19:59:54 2001 From: mbresnah at visi.com (Mike Bresnahan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Java Ain't so bad. WAS: Hello, I broke startx In-Reply-To: <20010925160753.G9524@beaver.iucha.org> Message-ID: > And b) Java libraries today are implemented by the same people that > yesterday coded that C++ library. Don't expect miracles. You misunderstand me. Many C++ libraries are not thread safe by design - not because of bugs. The C++ community has not embraced threads to the degree that the Java community has. I don't imply the C++ community isn't justified in its decision. I just mean that because of the decision, its harder to write a threaded C++ application than a threaded Java application. Try it sometime, write a threaded C++ application with a certain compiler on a certain platform using a mix of 3rd party libraries. If that isn't challenge enough for you, then port the application to a different compiler on a different OS. Then repeat this with process with Java. > Please do not give/take Microsoft as a source of good code > quality and standards. I mention Microsoft simply because they have produced a large amount of C++ code that is used extensively in the world and because my lastest project involves DirectX (a C++ library by Microsoft). Much non-microsoft C++ code is not any better. In my experience most C++ developers ignore the modern best practices, idioms, styles, and design patterns illustrated in the trade journals (e.g. C++ Report). It's easy to see C++'s C legacy. > > Vendor lock is something Java hopes to fix. > > Hmm.... Read your sentence aloud until the problem is obvious. If > not, scroll.. Yes, Java is controlled by Sun, but at least there are multiple Java compilers, virtual machines, and J2EE environments to choose from that all work together relatively well - at least in my experience. [MS's JVM is a major exception to this, but that is a moot point now.] This is not as true of C++ where you can easily get tied to one compiler and one operating system. Porting to another compiler/OS is generally a major task. I've had the mispleasure of doing it more than once. Even porting between supposedly POSIX compliant OS's can be a major task. Mike From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Sep 25 18:00:03 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Universal to make CDs with copy protection Message-ID: <20010925180003.3db53989.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> I guess I'm going to have to know what not to buy pretty soon.. I'll be avoiding post-2001 CDs from Universal. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010925/tc/media_universal_piracy_dc_1.html I always rip my CDs within hours of buying them, since it's so much easier to access the music by sifting through the files on my hard drive, rather than the pile of physical CDs in the corner of my room. Bringing this back to Linux a bit, I usually do a simple `find' on my music directory structure to generate playlists of everything, since I usually don't like to put together playlists by hand, but there are problems with that. New music doesn't get promoted or anything, so I often end up hearing the same old stuff too much. Has anyone played much with plugins for xmms (or anything, for that matter) that will weight certain songs differently? -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ He who laughs last is / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ S-L-O-W. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010925/5f06d8d8/attachment.pgp From shorejsi at skypoint.com Tue Sep 25 18:19:48 2001 From: shorejsi at skypoint.com (Steve Horejsi) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Com-21? References: <01092412074400.04738@bleys> <3BB04BBD.30300@skypoint.com> <01092511082200.01535@bleys> Message-ID: <3BB11114.3040002@skypoint.com> Shawn; Mine is a model CP2000 and it's Ethernet (RJ45). It's probably an ancient model by now... -=[ Steve ]=- Shawn Fertch wrote: > On Tuesday 25 September 2001 04:17, Steve Horejsi wrote: > >> Shawn; >> >> Charter (down here in Lakeville/Apple Valley/Rosemount) uses the Com21 >> stuff. I've had one for almost a year and a half now with no major >> problems. Seems to work fine with Linux. >> >> It's not a very exciting box, but sometimes boring is OK... From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Sep 25 18:44:39 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Universal to make CDs with copy protection In-Reply-To: <20010925180003.3db53989.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Sep 2001, Mike Hicks wrote: MH> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010925/tc/media_universal_piracy_dc_1.html Isn't this sort of stuff against the red and yellow book CD standards? I don't understand how they can label these as Compact Discs(tm) when the very standard that defines it is broken. Seems fishy to me, anyone smell a class action suit? On another note, most rippers have an option to rip in analog. Yes, it takes longer, yes, the sound quality is diminished, but if you're ripping to MP3, you're losing a lot anyway so what's the difference if it comes from an analog source? Anyone with more audio expertise care to comment? MH> Has anyone played much with plugins for xmms (or anything, for that MH> matter) that will weight certain songs differently? Can XMMS use the MP3 ID tags? I use Music Match on both Windows and Linux, and I can super-tweak my play lists based on any combination of ID tags. On both Windows and linux, I have yet to see a finer piece of software for MP3 ripping, storing, and playing. The free version can do all the MP3 stuff, but for $30 you get lifetime upgrades and neat features like burning CDs straight from MP3s and so forth. The only down side is that it's pretty bulky and runs on WINE instead of native code. -Brian From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Sep 25 21:06:35 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall / Router Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF17@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> I have ATT/roadrunner and it works just fine. They don't officially support linux, but it works fine with their network. -----Original Message----- From: Rodney Ray [mailto:Rodney.Ray@childrenshc.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 3:21 PM To: austad@marketwatch.com; tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Firewall / Router Do you know if smoothwall will work with At&t's network. Someone was telling me that at&t doesn't play well with linux. Although I don't know what the issue is.......... do's anyone know???? >>> austad@marketwatch.com 9/25/01 2:24:06 PM >>> Try Smoothwall (http://www.smoothwall.org). It's free, simple, and you can run it on an old 486. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Rodney Ray [mailto:Rodney.Ray@childrenshc.org] > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 1:27 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall / Router > > > I just got a cable modem with ATT and was wondering what > people have for firewall and router. I don't know much about > this area so any help would be good..... Is it ok to run both > functions on the same box or is it better to separate them? > What is the best method of attack? > > Rodney Ray > Children's Hospital and Clinics > Data Warehouse Developer > 651-855-2560 > rodney.ray@childrenshc.org > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Tue Sep 25 21:40:37 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall / Router In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01092521403701.01366@geezer> On Tuesday 25 September 2001 15:20, you wrote: > Do you know if smoothwall will work with At&t's network. Someone was > telling me that at&t doesn't play well with linux. Although I don't know > what the issue is.......... do's anyone know???? > FWIW I've had an AT&T cable modem connection for about a year now and I have a simple masquarading firewall/router running (Kernel is 2.2.16 using ipchains) It works like a champ. I've had no problems with the firewall box itself, an old PB "Force" early P1 (75Mhz maybe). The only suggestion I have is if you have a dual-boot box available setup the NIC you intend to use under Windows and let the installer do his thing there. Then pull the card put into your firewall/router box and go. Also I suggest getting you own card and making sure it works in your firewall box before they come. Good Luck! -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From phil at rephil.org Tue Sep 25 22:23:15 2001 From: phil at rephil.org (phil@rephil.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Universal to make CDs with copy protection In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 06:44:39PM -0500 References: <20010925180003.3db53989.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010925222315.A20130@rephil.org> On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 06:44:39PM -0500, Brian wrote: > On Tue, 25 Sep 2001, Mike Hicks wrote: > > MH> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010925/tc/media_universal_piracy_dc_1.html > > Isn't this sort of stuff against the red and yellow book CD standards? Who can say, since they don't say how it works. In fact, they say they won't say, which just leaves one to wonder if it does yet. Most likely, this is some sort of watermarking scheme, where information is coded in the audio data itself. Ahmed Tewfik at the U is one of the leading researchers in this area, coincidentally. However, that only let's them prove where you got your copy, unless they implement something in the burning software itself, and an analog copy is entirely possible. > I > don't understand how they can label these as Compact Discs(tm) when the > very standard that defines it is broken. Seems fishy to me, anyone smell > a class action suit? Not at all. Non-compliance with red-book standard is not even remotely a legal offense. Heck -- any CD that is over 74-minutes in program length does not comply with Red Book. > On another note, most rippers have an option to rip in analog. Really? You have to connect an analog cable from an input to an output? > Yes, it > takes longer, yes, the sound quality is diminished, but if you're ripping > to MP3, you're losing a lot anyway so what's the difference if it comes > from an analog source? Anyone with more audio expertise care to comment? Well, in theory you want to avoid every loss you can, but you're correct in your assessment that the conversion to MP3 (or Vorbis, or *anything* else) will be orders of magnitude more noticable than a conversion through analog. Phil Mendelsohn Chief Engineer Hotdish Mastering -- I used to like HP before computers, and once I even liked Compaq, but I liked DEC better than HP and Compaq put together. From tanner at real-time.com Tue Sep 25 22:22:50 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Twin Cities Wireless Users Group (tcwug) Official announcement Message-ID: <20010925222250.J19933@real-time.com> I am happy to announce the start of a new community based users group, the Twin Cities Wireless Users Group (tcwug). Real Time understands that wireless access can and has the potential to significantly reduce the cost and increase the ease to share resources and access to the Internet, the Twin Cities Wireless Users Group was founded to promote wireless use for the greater Metro Area. So, why post to tclug? First, community involvement. I'm sure many of the linux geeks may have interests wireless LAN and wireless ISP (WISP) solutions. Second, we'd like to make tcwug a brother site to tclug. While we will try to be operating system neutral, there will be a very strong preference to linux and linux tools. :-) Third, it's getting cold out, so we need stuff to do on the 2nd and 3rd Saturdays of each month, since we all go to the tclug meetings the 1st Saturday (well, except Clay :-P) of each month. The web site is in terrible shape, but it works. :-) http://www.tcwug.org/ Links are there for the mailing lists. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 _______________________________________________ tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From tanner at real-time.com Tue Sep 25 22:44:01 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Search engine gurus? Message-ID: <20010925224401.K19933@real-time.com> Any search engine gurus out there? I'm hoping to find out what we need to do to get www.mn-linux.org to show up 100(!) listing in google when someone searches for 'minnesota linux'. Top 10 would be even better. I ask this, because a UofM professor did not know the tclug existed until he found Real Time and we directed him to the lug. He searched for 'minnesota mn linux' and found Real Time before the lug web site, which is just plain wrong. :-) Any hints? Do a view source, on the pages of the lug web site. Any recommendations on keywords and entries? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Tue Sep 25 22:47:39 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I hate Earthlink In-Reply-To: <20010925012732.40157.qmail@web20606.mail.yahoo.com>; from pauljrech@yahoo.com on Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 06:27:32PM -0700 References: <20010925012732.40157.qmail@web20606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010925224739.M19933@real-time.com> Quoting Paul Rech (pauljrech@yahoo.com): > Real-Time is on my list of new ISP's. > Anyone else I should look at? Visi aka Vector is a good choice too. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jacque at fruitioninc.com Tue Sep 25 22:40:58 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Search engine gurus? In-Reply-To: <20010925224401.K19933@real-time.com> Message-ID: I know how to do this. We can easily get top 10, if not "lucky" for "minnesota linux". I can take point on this. ~j > Any search engine gurus out there? > > I'm hoping to find out what we need to do to get www.mn-linux.org > to show up > 100(!) listing in google when someone searches for 'minnesota linux'. > > Top 10 would be even better. > > I ask this, because a UofM professor did not know the tclug > existed until he > found Real Time and we directed him to the lug. > > He searched for 'minnesota mn linux' and found Real Time before > the lug web > site, which is just plain wrong. :-) > > Any hints? > > Do a view source, on the pages of the lug web site. Any recommendations on > keywords and entries? > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Tue Sep 25 22:50:02 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall / Router In-Reply-To: ; from Rodney.Ray@childrenshc.org on Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 01:27:24PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010925225002.N19933@real-time.com> Quoting Rodney Ray (Rodney.Ray@childrenshc.org): > I just got a cable modem with ATT and was wondering what people have for > firewall and router. I don't know much about this area so any help would be > good..... Is it ok to run both functions on the same box or is it better to > separate them? What is the best method of attack? > Better to have seperate boxes. I think you get the router from ATT, you won't need that, but you have lots of choices for firewalls. Maybe tell us(?) me about what you what to do with your new link and people can give recommendations on what is best. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Sep 25 22:59:18 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I hate Earthlink In-Reply-To: <20010925012732.40157.qmail@web20606.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010925012732.40157.qmail@web20606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010925225918.P27957@ringworld.org> * Paul Rech [010925 12:57]: > Anyone else I should look at? Sihope, www.sihope.com is pretty good too. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net "History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." - Justice Thurgood Marshall (1989) From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Sep 25 23:01:21 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall / Router In-Reply-To: <20010925225002.N19933@real-time.com> References: <20010925225002.N19933@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010925230121.Q27957@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [010925 22:59]: > Better to have seperate boxes. I think you get the router from ATT, you won't No, you dont. You get one ip on somehting more like a bridge. Remember to call AT&T if you change your external NIC so they can update their records. TW doesn't reuqire you do this. I would smack a box with Mandrake Security on it inbetween your machine and the net :) Ive seen this a couple times so far and im pretty impressed for 'i dont want to mess with shit, just give me a firewall' setups. Otherwise debian+2.4.x+netfilter is cool. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net "History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." - Justice Thurgood Marshall (1989) From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Sep 25 23:02:07 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Search engine gurus? In-Reply-To: <20010925224401.K19933@real-time.com> References: <20010925224401.K19933@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010925230207.R27957@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [010925 22:49]: > I ask this, because a UofM professor did not know the tclug existed until he > found Real Time and we directed him to the lug. Anyone from the csci dept perchance? :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net "History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." - Justice Thurgood Marshall (1989) From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Sep 25 23:04:19 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Search engine gurus? In-Reply-To: <20010925224401.K19933@real-time.com> References: <20010925224401.K19933@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010925230419.S27957@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [010925 22:49]: > I'm hoping to find out what we need to do to get www.mn-linux.org to show up > 100(!) listing in google when someone searches for 'minnesota linux'. "twin cities linux" works well :) so does "minneapolis linux" Perhaps put "Minnesota, USA" in the title or something? -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net "History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." - Justice Thurgood Marshall (1989) From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Sep 25 23:11:22 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Universal to make CDs with copy protection In-Reply-To: References: <20010925180003.3db53989.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010925231122.1e59cd78.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Brian wrote: > > On another note, most rippers have an option to rip in analog. Yes, it > takes longer, yes, the sound quality is diminished, but if you're > ripping to MP3, you're losing a lot anyway so what's the difference if > it comes from an analog source? Anyone with more audio expertise care > to comment? I was thinking this would be true (and, in some cases, you can still get a pretty good digital copy, as modern sound cards also support the digital audio interface on the back of most CD-ROM drives). However, I became worried when I read the other day on Slashdot that some CDs apparently have mangled Tables of Contents (TOCs), and many drives will refuse to play them at all. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ How many of you believe / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ in telekinesis? Raise \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) my hand! [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Putting more info in the title is always good. > * Bob Tanner [010925 22:49]: > > I'm hoping to find out what we need to do to get > www.mn-linux.org to show up > > 100(!) listing in google when someone searches for 'minnesota linux'. > > "twin cities linux" works well :) > > so does "minneapolis linux" > > Perhaps put "Minnesota, USA" in the title or something? > From jack at jacku.com Tue Sep 25 23:52:07 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Search engine gurus? In-Reply-To: <20010925224401.K19933@real-time.com> References: <20010925224401.K19933@real-time.com> Message-ID: <01092523520701.01307@geezer> According to the new Linux Journal (Doc Searls Linux for Suits column) Google measures relevance based on inbound links. So I guess we need every members home page to have a link to the tclug website and then the "bots" will rate it higher. :-) On Tuesday 25 September 2001 22:44, you wrote: > Any search engine gurus out there? > > I'm hoping to find out what we need to do to get www.mn-linux.org to show > up 100(!) listing in google when someone searches for 'minnesota linux'. > > Top 10 would be even better. > > I ask this, because a UofM professor did not know the tclug existed until > he found Real Time and we directed him to the lug. > > He searched for 'minnesota mn linux' and found Real Time before the lug web > site, which is just plain wrong. :-) > > Any hints? > > Do a view source, on the pages of the lug web site. Any recommendations on > keywords and entries? -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From jack at jacku.com Wed Sep 26 00:02:05 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall / Router In-Reply-To: <20010925225002.N19933@real-time.com> References: <20010925225002.N19933@real-time.com> Message-ID: <01092600020502.01307@geezer> On Tuesday 25 September 2001 22:50, you wrote: > Quoting Rodney Ray (Rodney.Ray@childrenshc.org): > > I just got a cable modem with ATT and was wondering what people have for > > firewall and router. I don't know much about this area so any help would > > be good..... Is it ok to run both functions on the same box or is it > > better to separate them? What is the best method of attack? > > Better to have seperate boxes. I think you get the router from ATT, you > won't need that, but you have lots of choices for firewalls. > > Maybe tell us(?) me about what you what to do with your new link and people > can give recommendations on what is best. To echo Scott's comment on the "cable modem" from what I know about them they function primarily as a protocol converter. The are a "tuned" cable receiver to get the data channel and then they convert from that to ethernet. For practical purposes the cable modem is a "router" in that there is an internal address for the cable port that is on a different subnet than the DHCP address you get assigned, or the statics you buy. I had a Samsung "powered by Cisco IOS" but you couldn't get into the box to look at the config from the ethernet side, only the cable side. As far as simple configuration I've used the IPChains module for Webmin and been very happy with it. The module provides three levels of rule setting from a simple low, medium, high, lockout type setting to complete control of the ipchains. The middle ground "template" level gives you enough control without having to learn the IPChains syntax. Rumor is the author is working on an iptables/netfilter version of the module. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From fritchie at mr.net Wed Sep 26 00:03:57 2001 From: fritchie at mr.net (Scott Lystig Fritchie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Universal to make CDs with copy protection In-Reply-To: Message of "Tue, 25 Sep 2001 22:23:15 CDT." <20010925222315.A20130@rephil.org> Message-ID: <200109260503.f8Q53vM04949@snookles.snookles.com> >>>>> "pm" == phil writes: >> Isn't this sort of stuff against the red and yellow book CD >> standards? pm> Who can say, since they don't say how it works. In fact, they say pm> they won't say, which just leaves one to wonder if it does yet. I recall very few details of one of the implementations, but it was described in detail on Slashdot approx. 1 month ago. That scheme was putting intentional errors into one (?) of the CRCs. Reading the straight digital gave the drive fits because the CRCs didn't match the data. Most/many/debatable? numbers of analog-only players go through recovery techniques, thinking the error was a scratch or smudge. >> Yes, it takes longer, yes, the sound quality is diminished, but if >> you're ripping to MP3, you're losing a lot anyway so what's the >> difference if it comes from an analog source? Anyone with more >> audio expertise care to comment? Er, ripping at 4x speed isn't possible. That inconvenience seems to be what The Industry wants? {shrug} Many comments in the same Slashdot article said that "cdparanoia", with its jitter- and error-correction techniques, has no problem creating click-and-pop-free WAV files from these wacko discs: it just can't do it at full drive speed. Is the average speed faster than 1x? I dunno, I don't have any such wacko discs to try.... -Scott --- Scott Lystig Fritchie Professional Governing: Is It Faked? From natecars at real-time.com Wed Sep 26 01:43:11 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Twin Cities Wireless Users Group (tcwug) Official announcement In-Reply-To: <20010925222250.J19933@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Sep 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Third, it's getting cold out, so we need stuff to do on the 2nd and 3rd > Saturdays of each month, since we all go to the tclug meetings the 1st Saturday > (well, except Clay :-P) of each month. Hey! What about me?? I still have yet to make it to a meeting. :) > The web site is in terrible shape, but it works. :-) > > http://www.tcwug.org/ (just a note, the list still has some rough edges that are being worked out.. so if you have problems subscribing or whatever, take heart, it'll be fixed soon! Let us know if anything seems to be amiss. :-P ) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Sep 26 02:35:29 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Search engine gurus? In-Reply-To: ; from jacque@fruitioninc.com on Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 11:06:44PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010926023529.C18111@real-time.com> Quoting Jacqueline Urick (jacque@fruitioninc.com): > We're already listed as #1 in yahoo, hotbot, lycos and dmoz. I submitted > mn-linux.org + keywords to google and looksmart(msn). Hmm, I only use google :-) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Sep 26 02:37:53 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CodeWeaver Wine, VMware and Star Office via Red Carpet Message-ID: <20010926023753.D18111@real-time.com> For those who don't check the unsubscribed channel of red carpet, you'll notice in addition to vmware, which us up a couple of weeks ago, you can now get Star Office and Codeweaver Wine via red carpet. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From josh at greentechnologist.org Wed Sep 26 07:11:54 2001 From: josh at greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CodeWeaver Wine, VMware and Star Office via Red Carpet In-Reply-To: <20010926023753.D18111@real-time.com> Message-ID: So what is red carpet? I've never heard of that. Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free speech is simply staggering." - Paul Cantrell, St Paul area software developer On Wed, 26 Sep 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > For those who don't check the unsubscribed channel of red carpet, you'll notice > in addition to vmware, which us up a couple of weeks ago, you can now get Star > Office and Codeweaver Wine via red carpet. > > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jaredburns at acm.org Wed Sep 26 08:50:21 2001 From: jaredburns at acm.org (Jared Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Hello, I broke startx In-Reply-To: <3BB0CF3D.B88B425@urbanrage.com> References: <01092509232200.01492@radiohead.min.oti.com> <3BB0CF3D.B88B425@urbanrage.com> Message-ID: <01092608502100.01503@radiohead.min.oti.com> That was exactly the problem. I use bash at work and tcsh at home and I apparently got my syntax mixed up. Everything works again (including Quake3!). Thanks, - Jared On Tue-25- 9-01 01:38 pm, you wrote: > Jared Burns wrote: > > Interesting. > > > > After I log into the console, if I echo $PATH, it shows "/usr/X11R6/bin" > > as the last entry. However, if I add "echo $PATH" at the top of my > > /usr/X11R6/bin/startx script, the last entry says "/usr/X11R6/bin=". I > > don't know where the '=' is coming from, but that seems to be the > > problem. > > > > If I do as someone (I'm writing this from work where I don't have my full > > email history) suggested, startx succeeds, with a path that ends with > > "/usr/X11R6/bin=:/usr/X11R6/bin" When I get home from work, I'll try to > > track down where that extra '=' is coming from. > > Sounds like it's crossing shells, if you have something like > setenv PATH=/usr/X11R6/bin > > you'll end up with the trailing = (cause it's bash/sh notation in a > csh/tcsh shell) > try setenv PATH /usr/X11R6/bin instead > > Eric > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jaredburns at acm.org Wed Sep 26 09:33:04 2001 From: jaredburns at acm.org (Jared Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CodeWeaver Wine, VMware and Star Office via Red Carpet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01092609330401.01503@radiohead.min.oti.com> Red carpet is the rpm GUI that comes with Ximian. - Jared On Wed-26- 9-01 07:11 am, you wrote: > So what is red carpet? I've never heard of that. > > Joshua Jore > Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 > "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing > to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free > speech is simply staggering." - Paul Cantrell, St Paul area software > developer > > On Wed, 26 Sep 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > > For those who don't check the unsubscribed channel of red carpet, you'll > > notice in addition to vmware, which us up a couple of weeks ago, you can > > now get Star Office and Codeweaver Wine via red carpet. > > > > > > -- > > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From fish at slava.net Wed Sep 26 09:34:43 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Search engine gurus? References: <20010925224401.K19933@real-time.com> <01092523520701.01307@geezer> Message-ID: <3BB1E783.8070209@slava.net> This is true, but pages with more links to them are given more weight, so (for example) my piddly webpage won't give it that much of an edge, but if there were a link to it from a much-linked site, that would. Maybe if we all linked to each other too, that would help. heh ;) Jack Ungerleider wrote: >According to the new Linux Journal (Doc Searls Linux for Suits column) Google >measures relevance based on inbound links. So I guess we need every members >home page to have a link to the tclug website and then the "bots" will rate >it higher. :-) > From jaredburns at acm.org Wed Sep 26 09:50:35 2001 From: jaredburns at acm.org (Jared Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Search engine gurus? In-Reply-To: <3BB1E783.8070209@slava.net> References: <20010925224401.K19933@real-time.com> <01092523520701.01307@geezer> <3BB1E783.8070209@slava.net> Message-ID: <01092609503502.01503@radiohead.min.oti.com> I found this group by searching Google. "minneapolis linux users group" brings up tclug as the #1 result. So as long as you know what you're looking for, Google is already taken care of. - Jared On Wed-26- 9-01 09:34 am, you wrote: > This is true, but pages with more links to them are given more weight, > so (for example) my piddly webpage won't give it that much of an edge, > but if there were a link to it from a much-linked site, that would. > Maybe if we all linked to each other too, that would help. heh ;) > > Jack Ungerleider wrote: > >According to the new Linux Journal (Doc Searls Linux for Suits column) > > Google measures relevance based on inbound links. So I guess we need > > every members home page to have a link to the tclug website and then the > > "bots" will rate it higher. :-) > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bradyh at bitstream.net Wed Sep 26 10:03:40 2001 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CodeWeaver Wine, VMware and Star Office via Red Carpet In-Reply-To: <01092609330401.01503@radiohead.min.oti.com> References: <01092609330401.01503@radiohead.min.oti.com> Message-ID: <1001516620.3281.9.camel@lis.llewellyn.com> It makes installing and upgrading software fun. I upgraded about 14 packages while I was checking my email this morning. On Wed, 2001-09-26 at 09:33, Jared Burns wrote: > Red carpet is the rpm GUI that comes with Ximian. > > - Jared > > On Wed-26- 9-01 07:11 am, you wrote: > > So what is red carpet? I've never heard of that. > > > > Joshua Jore From gmcdavid at winternet.com Wed Sep 26 11:23:45 2001 From: gmcdavid at winternet.com (Glenn McDavid) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mainframe Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Is there anybody locally using Linux on a mainframe (S/390)? IBM has been pushing it lately. The Data Center at my employer (Hennepin County) is planning on installing a Linux partition on one of the 390's and it would be nice to have some local contacts who have worked with it. Thanks, Glenn McDavid mailto:gmcdavid@winternet.com From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Sep 26 11:31:41 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Search engine gurus? In-Reply-To: <20010925224401.K19933@real-time.com> References: <20010925224401.K19933@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010926113141.6508c63f.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Bob Tanner wrote: > > He searched for 'minnesota mn linux' and found Real Time before the lug > web site, which is just plain wrong. :-) > > Any hints? You have the URL in your .signature, just add the words `Minnesota' and `Linux' somewhere. When your messages get archived on the web in the TCLUG archives and elsewhere, Google will notice them and probably rank the web page higher. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Friction can be a drag / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ sometimes. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20010925224401.K19933@real-time.com> References: <20010925224401.K19933@real-time.com> Message-ID: Bob Tanner writes: > Any search engine gurus out there? > > I'm hoping to find out what we need to do to get www.mn-linux.org to show up > 100(!) listing in google when someone searches for 'minnesota linux'. > > Top 10 would be even better. > > I ask this, because a UofM professor did not know the tclug existed until he > found Real Time and we directed him to the lug. > > He searched for 'minnesota mn linux' and found Real Time before the lug web > site, which is just plain wrong. :-) > > Any hints? > > Do a view source, on the pages of the lug web site. Any recommendations on > keywords and entries? I was the search-engine guru for MultiLogic, and got us around 5th place or better on "restricted stock" for the restrictedstock.com webwsite. (Company, web site, and all now defunct). To get a single page to rank high, you need a high concentration of relevant content on that page. Amount and concentration both count. Finding ways to put "Minnesota" closer to "linux", and a few more times, would probably help. Also, having some headings () containing the key words helps with some engines. You've already got them in the title, which is good (but adding Minnesota would be good, too). Also, note that the big title at the top of the page is graphics-only. That position gives it high importance, but the search engines can't tell what it is. And it should have alt text for *people*, at least, anyway. I'd suggest adding the alt text, and adding an with similar content. And you don't have "linux", alone, even in the meta keyword list. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ From clay at fandre.com Wed Sep 26 12:06:37 2001 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next Meeting -- procmail presentation? In-Reply-To: <20010925134531.N27957@ringworld.org> References: <20010925134531.N27957@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010926120637.A2059@fandre.com> Sorry about not being available. BestBuy's internal network got hit with Nimda and they shut down all internet access for 2 days, so I'm really behind in my emails. And yes, I warned them. I warned them when CodeRed first hit. But did they listen? NoooSir. They thought they were safe becuase of a nice firewall and some anti-virus software. Anyway... Yes, let's plan on the meeting. Scott, that would be great if you could make some flyers. Let me know if there is anything else you need me to do. -- Clay On Tue, 25 Sep 2001, Scott Dier wrote: > * andy@theasis.com [010925 11:10]: > > - Will the meeting definitely occur on Sat 6 Oct? > > Where? > > Roughly how many people can we expect to attend? > > University of MN,eecsci bldg 12-2? Unless someone tells me by the end > of today. I need to let ACM know asap. I'll make up a postscript file > for flyers too. > > > - The publisher may be able to provide copies of Marty's book, A Procmail > > Companion, at a reduced price for LUG members. If that's gonna happen we > > need a count of interested parties, and probably also some help in > > distributing the books at the meeting. > > I'm interested! > -- > Scott Dier > http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net > > "History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of > urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." > - Justice Thurgood Marshall (1989) > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com Wed Sep 26 12:06:51 2001 From: Nick.T.Reinking at supervalu.com (Nick.T.Reinking@supervalu.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mainframe Linux Message-ID: <0GKA007DA4X3DD@mail1.supervalu.com> Yeah, I'm the main Linux/390 admin here at SVU. What's up? - Nick gmcdavid@winternet.com, on 09/26/2001 11:23:45 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org @ PMDF cc: Subject: [TCLUG] Mainframe Linux Is there anybody locally using Linux on a mainframe (S/390)? IBM has been pushing it lately. The Data Center at my employer (Hennepin County) is planning on installing a Linux partition on one of the 390's and it would be nice to have some local contacts who have worked with it. Thanks, Glenn McDavid mailto:gmcdavid@winternet.com _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Sep 26 12:38:29 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next Meeting -- procmail presentation? In-Reply-To: <20010926120637.A2059@fandre.com> References: <20010925134531.N27957@ringworld.org> <20010926120637.A2059@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20010926123828.A27957@ringworld.org> Does anyone have a bio or self-bio on the author whos coming to talk about his book? This will help me make up a meeting description. Thanks! * Clay Fandre [010926 12:15]: > Sorry about not being available. BestBuy's internal network got hit with Nimda and they shut down all internet access for 2 days, so I'm really behind in my emails. And yes, I warned them. I warned them when CodeRed first hit. But did they listen? NoooSir. They thought they were safe becuase of a nice firewall and some anti-virus software. Anyway... > > Yes, let's plan on the meeting. Scott, that would be great if you could make some flyers. Let me know if there is anything else you need me to do. > > -- Clay > > On Tue, 25 Sep 2001, Scott Dier wrote: > > > * andy@theasis.com [010925 11:10]: > > > - Will the meeting definitely occur on Sat 6 Oct? > > > Where? > > > Roughly how many people can we expect to attend? > > > > University of MN,eecsci bldg 12-2? Unless someone tells me by the end > > of today. I need to let ACM know asap. I'll make up a postscript file > > for flyers too. > > > > > - The publisher may be able to provide copies of Marty's book, A Procmail > > > Companion, at a reduced price for LUG members. If that's gonna happen we > > > need a count of interested parties, and probably also some help in > > > distributing the books at the meeting. > > > > I'm interested! > > -- > > Scott Dier > > http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net > > > > "History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of > > urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." > > - Justice Thurgood Marshall (1989) > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net "History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." - Justice Thurgood Marshall (1989) From Rodney.Ray at childrenshc.org Wed Sep 26 12:52:07 2001 From: Rodney.Ray at childrenshc.org (Rodney Ray) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall / Router Message-ID: I was looking at and downloaded smoothwall but I can't find anywhere that tells the minium requirements. The only thing I have a concern about is HD. I have a 850 HD, will that be enough? >>> austad@marketwatch.com 9/25/01 2:24:06 PM >>> Try Smoothwall (http://www.smoothwall.org). It's free, simple, and you can run it on an old 486. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Rodney Ray [mailto:Rodney.Ray@childrenshc.org] > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 1:27 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall / Router > > > I just got a cable modem with ATT and was wondering what > people have for firewall and router. I don't know much about > this area so any help would be good..... Is it ok to run both > functions on the same box or is it better to separate them? > What is the best method of attack? > > Rodney Ray > Children's Hospital and Clinics > Data Warehouse Developer > 651-855-2560 > rodney.ray@childrenshc.org > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rudie at sihope.com Wed Sep 26 13:08:16 2001 From: rudie at sihope.com (K Hinze) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall / Router References: Message-ID: <000c01c146b6$490374c0$0602a8c0@workhorse> Yes, smoothwall needs only about 60-80mg, but it is recommended to use at least 120mg. I have a 520mg hdd in my smoothie, no prob! -Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rodney Ray" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 12:52 PM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Firewall / Router > I was looking at and downloaded smoothwall but I can't find anywhere that tells the minium requirements. The only thing I have a concern about is HD. I have a 850 HD, will that be enough? > > >>> austad@marketwatch.com 9/25/01 2:24:06 PM >>> > Try Smoothwall (http://www.smoothwall.org). It's free, simple, and you can > run it on an old 486. > > Jay > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rodney Ray [mailto:Rodney.Ray@childrenshc.org] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 1:27 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall / Router > > > > > > I just got a cable modem with ATT and was wondering what > > people have for firewall and router. I don't know much about > > this area so any help would be good..... Is it ok to run both > > functions on the same box or is it better to separate them? > > What is the best method of attack? > > > > Rodney Ray > > Children's Hospital and Clinics > > Data Warehouse Developer > > 651-855-2560 > > rodney.ray@childrenshc.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From dsherman at real-time.com Wed Sep 26 13:18:41 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall / Router In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1001528327.1493.7.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> On Wed, 2001-09-26 at 12:52, Rodney Ray wrote: > I was looking at and downloaded smoothwall but I can't find anywhere that tells the > minium requirements. The only thing I have a concern about is HD. I have a 850 HD, > will that be enough? Yeah, I think it only takes around 50MB to install. IIRC, the *.iso file was only ~20MB. Dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010926/0f458fcf/attachment.pgp From duncan at sodatrain.com Wed Sep 26 13:30:50 2001 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] im looking to take some classes in twin cities References: <000c01c146b6$490374c0$0602a8c0@workhorse> Message-ID: <3BB21EDA.5070509@sodatrain.com> Im working as an Independant consultant for the moment, and work as a linux sysadmin when i hold full time jobs. I am thinking about picking up some classes while my schedule is flexible. Has anyone taken any linux/unix security classes, or say a solaris class in the cities? ive only been a sysadmin for about 2.5 years, so even some more adv. sys admin classes could help. I just dont know where to look for classes for this kind of thing in the cities. thanks From doughanson at mediaone.net Wed Sep 26 13:37:19 2001 From: doughanson at mediaone.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] im looking to take some classes in twin cities References: <000c01c146b6$490374c0$0602a8c0@workhorse> <3BB21EDA.5070509@sodatrain.com> Message-ID: <011401c146ba$469ed400$eaaf7a81@doug> I have taken classes here: http://www.euler.com/training/schedule.html As far as I know, they are the only "*nix shop in town. They do however know there shit!!! Douger ----- Original Message ----- From: "duncan" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 1:30 PM Subject: [TCLUG] im looking to take some classes in twin cities > > Im working as an Independant consultant for the moment, and work as a > linux sysadmin when i hold full time jobs. I am thinking about picking > up some classes while my schedule is flexible. > > Has anyone taken any linux/unix security classes, or say a solaris class > in the cities? ive only been a sysadmin for about 2.5 years, so even > some more adv. sys admin classes could help. > > I just dont know where to look for classes for this kind of thing in the > cities. > > thanks > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Sep 26 13:57:11 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] im looking to take some classes in twin cities Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF1E@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> I've generally found that if you have access to the hardware, the best thing to do is to pick up a book at Barnes and Noble, Amazon, or FatBrain, and just go through that following all of the examples. Do a chapter per day or something like that. If you're looking for certifications, you can take most tests through Sylvan (I think that's their name) for like $50-$100. Plus your book for $50, that saves you a ton of cash which you can use to buy more geek toys, or sparkly things for your girlfriend. :) Plus, with classes, you end up having to learn at the pace of the slowest people in the class, and that sucks. I can't see spending the money on training unless they provide hardware you otherwise don't have access to, and in that case, you might want to question if you even need the training. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Hanson [mailto:doughanson@mediaone.net] > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 1:37 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] im looking to take some classes in twin cities > > > I have taken classes here: > http://www.euler.com/training/schedule.html > As far as I > know, they are the only "*nix shop in town. They do however > know there shit!!! > > Douger > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "duncan" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 1:30 PM > Subject: [TCLUG] im looking to take some classes in twin cities > > > > > > Im working as an Independant consultant for the moment, and > work as a > > linux sysadmin when i hold full time jobs. I am thinking about > > picking up some classes while my schedule is flexible. > > > > Has anyone taken any linux/unix security classes, or say a solaris > > class in the cities? ive only been a sysadmin for about > 2.5 years, so > > even some more adv. sys admin classes could help. > > > > I just dont know where to look for classes for this kind of > thing in > > the cities. > > > > thanks > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From fertch at mninter.net Wed Sep 26 14:12:04 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] im looking to take some classes in twin cities In-Reply-To: <011401c146ba$469ed400$eaaf7a81@doug> References: <3BB21EDA.5070509@sodatrain.com> <011401c146ba$469ed400$eaaf7a81@doug> Message-ID: <01092614120404.07931@bleys> On Wednesday 26 September 2001 13:37, Doug Hanson wrote: > I have taken classes here: http://www.euler.com/training/schedule.html As > far as I know, they are the only "*nix shop in town. They do however know > there shit!!! > > Douger -- Sun has some classes in Minneapolis if you're looking for Sun/Solaris specific stuff. Spendy, but they are there. Check Sun's website. I'm taking a course there next week, company paid of course =) --- Shawn "Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do." -Bruce Lee From tanner at real-time.com Wed Sep 26 15:14:32 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CodeWeaver Wine, VMware and Star Office via Red Carpet In-Reply-To: ; from josh@greentechnologist.org on Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 07:11:54AM -0500 References: <20010926023753.D18111@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010926151432.F13513@real-time.com> Quoting Joshua b. Jore (josh@greentechnologist.org): > So what is red carpet? I've never heard of that. > It's a apt-get wannabe. :-) Hmmm, up2date, but free. GUI version of autorpm. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Sep 26 15:16:21 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Search engine gurus? In-Reply-To: <01092609503502.01503@radiohead.min.oti.com>; from jaredburns@acm.org on Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 09:50:35AM -0500 References: <20010925224401.K19933@real-time.com> <01092523520701.01307@geezer> <3BB1E783.8070209@slava.net> <01092609503502.01503@radiohead.min.oti.com> Message-ID: <20010926151621.G13513@real-time.com> Quoting Jared Burns (jaredburns@acm.org): > I found this group by searching Google. "minneapolis linux users group" > brings up tclug as the #1 result. So as long as you know what you're looking > for, Google is already taken care of. Since when does the general non-techincal public know what they are looking for? :-) Since this professor at the U was the third person this month to say they did not know about TCLUG and each of the three people typed 'minnesota linux', I think we should try to show up in top 10. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Sep 26 15:17:27 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Search engine gurus? In-Reply-To: <20010926113141.6508c63f.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 11:31:41AM -0500 References: <20010925224401.K19933@real-time.com> <20010926113141.6508c63f.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20010926151727.H13513@real-time.com> Quoting Mike Hicks (hick0088@tc.umn.edu): > You have the URL in your .signature, just add the words `Minnesota' and > `Linux' somewhere. When your messages get archived on the web in the > TCLUG archives and elsewhere, Google will notice them and probably rank > the web page higher. Great idea! -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From thomas at stderr.net Wed Sep 26 15:24:49 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Search engine gurus? In-Reply-To: <20010926151621.G13513@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 03:16:21PM -0500 References: <20010925224401.K19933@real-time.com> <01092523520701.01307@geezer> <3BB1E783.8070209@slava.net> <01092609503502.01503@radiohead.min.oti.com> <20010926151621.G13513@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010926222449.D1075@io.stderr.net> On Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 03:16:21PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Jared Burns (jaredburns@acm.org): > > I found this group by searching Google. "minneapolis linux users group" > > brings up tclug as the #1 result. So as long as you know what you're looking > > for, Google is already taken care of. > > Since when does the general non-techincal public know what they are looking for? > > :-) > > Since this professor at the U was the third person this month to say they did > not know about TCLUG and each of the three people typed 'minnesota linux', I > think we should try to show up in top 10. And maybe it's time to create more awareness of TCLUG at the U? I could imagine some small posters would do wonders too. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From tanner at real-time.com Wed Sep 26 15:22:25 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] im looking to take some classes in twin cities In-Reply-To: <011401c146ba$469ed400$eaaf7a81@doug>; from doughanson@mediaone.net on Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 01:37:19PM -0500 References: <000c01c146b6$490374c0$0602a8c0@workhorse> <3BB21EDA.5070509@sodatrain.com> <011401c146ba$469ed400$eaaf7a81@doug> Message-ID: <20010926152225.K13513@real-time.com> Quoting Doug Hanson (doughanson@mediaone.net): > I have taken classes here: http://www.euler.com/training/schedule.html As > far as I know, they are the only "*nix shop in town. They do however know > there shit!!! (* cough *) If *nix != linux, I'll agree, but (cheap plug) Real Time is one, if not the only Linux shop in town. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Sep 26 15:35:34 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Search engine gurus? In-Reply-To: <20010926222449.D1075@io.stderr.net> References: <20010925224401.K19933@real-time.com> <01092523520701.01307@geezer> <3BB1E783.8070209@slava.net> <01092609503502.01503@radiohead.min.oti.com> <20010926151621.G13513@real-time.com> <20010926222449.D1075@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20010926153534.F27957@ringworld.org> > And maybe it's time to create more awareness of TCLUG at the U? I could > imagine some small posters would do wonders too. I'll have next months poster up soon. PS format. I usually get the whole cs dept area, I'll try and get ben to do the math area too. I dont have the time to go plaster campus, Ive done this once, never again. :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net "History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." - Justice Thurgood Marshall (1989) From fish at slava.net Wed Sep 26 15:42:08 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Search engine gurus? References: <20010925224401.K19933@real-time.com> <01092523520701.01307@geezer> <3BB1E783.8070209@slava.net> <01092609503502.01503@radiohead.min.oti.com> <20010926151621.G13513@real-time.com> <20010926222449.D1075@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <3BB23DA0.7000808@slava.net> > > >And maybe it's time to create more awareness of TCLUG at the U? I could >imagine some small posters would do wonders too. > I found out about TCLUG through the U. I normally ignore the posters plastered everywhere, but I think a penguin caught my eye and I learned there was a meeting the next day. I couldn't make the meeting, but I wrote down the URL, and when I got home I excitedly typed it in... and here I am. I can help spread the word, at least among my fellow CS grad students. Maybe after I go to my first meeting and am awed by the greatness of the group, I might be enlisted for other helpful things as well... From tanner at real-time.com Wed Sep 26 15:44:17 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Search engine gurus? In-Reply-To: <20010926153534.F27957@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 03:35:34PM -0500 References: <20010925224401.K19933@real-time.com> <01092523520701.01307@geezer> <3BB1E783.8070209@slava.net> <01092609503502.01503@radiohead.min.oti.com> <20010926151621.G13513@real-time.com> <20010926222449.D1075@io.stderr.net> <20010926153534.F27957@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20010926154417.Y13513@real-time.com> Quoting Scott Dier (dieman+tclug@ringworld.org): > > And maybe it's time to create more awareness of TCLUG at the U? I could > > imagine some small posters would do wonders too. > > I'll have next months poster up soon. PS format. I usually get the > whole cs dept area, I'll try and get ben to do the math area too. I > dont have the time to go plaster campus, Ive done this once, never > again. :) > Anyone know what it would cost to advertise in the U's paper? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Wed Sep 26 15:52:12 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] im looking to take some classes in twin cities In-Reply-To: <20010926152225.K13513@real-time.com> Message-ID: | |(* cough *) | |If *nix != linux, I'll agree, but (cheap plug) Real Time is one, |if not the only |Linux shop in town. |-- |Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 Speaking of which...whatever happened to the results of the survey from the expo? There was a section about classes, etc...did Dennis lose them again :) (you can tell him I said that...) Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist.com 952-368-3278 x396 fax 952-368-3255 From fish at slava.net Wed Sep 26 15:58:38 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Search engine gurus? References: <20010925224401.K19933@real-time.com> <01092523520701.01307@geezer> <3BB1E783.8070209@slava.net> <01092609503502.01503@radiohead.min.oti.com> <20010926151621.G13513@real-time.com> <20010926222449.D1075@io.stderr.net> <20010926153534.F27957@ringworld.org> <20010926154417.Y13513@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3BB2417E.8060007@slava.net> > > > >Anyone know what it would cost to advertise in the U's paper? > http://www.mndaily.com/comm/BM_Advertising.htm From tanner at real-time.com Wed Sep 26 16:40:10 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Search engine gurus? In-Reply-To: <3BB2417E.8060007@slava.net>; from fish@slava.net on Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 03:58:38PM -0500 References: <20010925224401.K19933@real-time.com> <01092523520701.01307@geezer> <3BB1E783.8070209@slava.net> <01092609503502.01503@radiohead.min.oti.com> <20010926151621.G13513@real-time.com> <20010926222449.D1075@io.stderr.net> <20010926153534.F27957@ringworld.org> <20010926154417.Y13513@real-time.com> <3BB2417E.8060007@slava.net> Message-ID: <20010926164010.A27394@real-time.com> Quoting Lorry (fish@slava.net): > >Anyone know what it would cost to advertise in the U's paper? > > > http://www.mndaily.com/comm/BM_Advertising.htm This looks like it's for the online edition. Doesn't he U of a printed paper? I'll contact the person listed here. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Sep 26 19:51:31 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall / Router In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010926195131.H27957@ringworld.org> Agreed, I also fired up smoothwall and its pretty damn slick as things go. Im going to send in a feature request soon. I'm getting sick and tired of tweaking/installing firewalls. Somehting like this is a nice thing to give to people when they ask. Its easy enough for most people to install. * Rodney Ray [010926 12:59]: > I was looking at and downloaded smoothwall but I can't find anywhere that tells the minium requirements. The only thing I have a concern about is HD. I have a 850 HD, will that be enough? > > >>> austad@marketwatch.com 9/25/01 2:24:06 PM >>> > Try Smoothwall (http://www.smoothwall.org). It's free, simple, and you can > run it on an old 486. > > Jay > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rodney Ray [mailto:Rodney.Ray@childrenshc.org] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 1:27 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall / Router > > > > > > I just got a cable modem with ATT and was wondering what > > people have for firewall and router. I don't know much about > > this area so any help would be good..... Is it ok to run both > > functions on the same box or is it better to separate them? > > What is the best method of attack? > > > > Rodney Ray > > Children's Hospital and Clinics > > Data Warehouse Developer > > 651-855-2560 > > rodney.ray@childrenshc.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net "History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." - Justice Thurgood Marshall (1989) From jwanderson at uswest.net Wed Sep 26 20:47:25 2001 From: jwanderson at uswest.net (Jay W. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Search engine gurus? In-Reply-To: <20010926151727.H13513@real-time.com> References: <20010926113141.6508c63f.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 11:31:41AM -0500 Message-ID: <200109270147.f8R1lSX25869@sprite.real-time.com> On 26 Sep 01, at 15:17, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Mike Hicks (hick0088@tc.umn.edu): > > You have the URL in your .signature, just add the words `Minnesota' and > > `Linux' somewhere. > > Great idea! > How about - _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list TWIN CITIES LINUX USERS GROUP MAILING LIST MINNEAPOLIS MINNESOTA > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jwanderson at uswest.net Wed Sep 26 21:01:52 2001 From: jwanderson at uswest.net (Jay W. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (Fwd) (somewhat OT) OpenSSH Security Advisory (adv.option) Message-ID: <200109270201.f8R21sX26467@sprite.real-time.com> ------- Forwarded message follows ------- Date sent: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 23:18:23 +0200 From: "Markus Friedl" To: security-announce@openbsd.org Subject: OpenSSH Security Advisory (adv.option) Weakness in OpenSSH's source IP based access control for SSH protocol v2 public key authentication. 1. Systems affected: Versions of OpenSSH between 2.5.x and 2.9.x using the 'from=' key file option in combination with both RSA and DSA keys in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2. 8<------- SNIP Full anouncment with patch at: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openssh-unix- dev&m=100153916114045&w=2 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Sep 26 21:22:32 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Search engine gurus? In-Reply-To: <200109270147.f8R1lSo19699@enchanter.real-time.com>; from jwanderson@uswest.net on Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 08:47:25PM -0500 References: <20010926113141.6508c63f.hick0088@tc.umn.edu>; <20010926151727.H13513@real-time.com> <200109270147.f8R1lSo19699@enchanter.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010926212232.K18111@real-time.com> Quoting Jay W. Anderson (jwanderson@uswest.net): > How about - > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > TWIN CITIES LINUX USERS GROUP MAILING LIST > MINNEAPOLIS MINNESOTA Slight change. Should be at the bottom of this post. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jacque at fruitioninc.com Wed Sep 26 22:01:52 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Search engine gurus? In-Reply-To: <20010926212232.K18111@real-time.com> Message-ID: how about this, since there is no obvious way to mn-linux.org from the mailman page, plus the security thing might freak out someone who doesn't understand how that works. Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net Wed Sep 26 22:04:19 2001 From: markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Universal to make CDs with copy protection References: <200109260503.f8Q53vM04949@snookles.snookles.com> Message-ID: <00b101c14701$1d35f7a0$1e02a8c0@zippy> Naturally, When you DO try to read one of these disks and it does not work - take it back; it's defective. I buy a goodly number of "non-protected" disks - they already make a bundle off me. Making a copy for personal use is fair-use by current standards. The primary reason they dropped this sort of thing in prior trials is because of high return rates. *I* would make a hobby out of buying a disk each night from different music stores on the way home and taking them back the next day. Even with the fat profit margins on each disk, the record company looses money on each disk returned. Just a simple consumer activist protest... But one of the few actual things a record company actually listens to (the bottom line) Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Lystig Fritchie" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 12:03 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Universal to make CDs with copy protection >>>>> "pm" == phil writes: >> Isn't this sort of stuff against the red and yellow book CD >> standards? pm> Who can say, since they don't say how it works. In fact, they say pm> they won't say, which just leaves one to wonder if it does yet. I recall very few details of one of the implementations, but it was described in detail on Slashdot approx. 1 month ago. That scheme was putting intentional errors into one (?) of the CRCs. Reading the straight digital gave the drive fits because the CRCs didn't match the data. Most/many/debatable? numbers of analog-only players go through recovery techniques, thinking the error was a scratch or smudge. >> Yes, it takes longer, yes, the sound quality is diminished, but if >> you're ripping to MP3, you're losing a lot anyway so what's the >> difference if it comes from an analog source? Anyone with more >> audio expertise care to comment? Er, ripping at 4x speed isn't possible. That inconvenience seems to be what The Industry wants? {shrug} Many comments in the same Slashdot article said that "cdparanoia", with its jitter- and error-correction techniques, has no problem creating click-and-pop-free WAV files from these wacko discs: it just can't do it at full drive speed. Is the average speed faster than 1x? I dunno, I don't have any such wacko discs to try.... -Scott --- Scott Lystig Fritchie Professional Governing: Is It Faked? _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Wed Sep 26 22:37:46 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Search engine gurus? In-Reply-To: ; from jacque@fruitioninc.com on Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 10:01:52PM -0500 References: <20010926212232.K18111@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010926223746.T18111@real-time.com> Quoting Jacqueline Urick (jacque@fruitioninc.com): > how about this, since there is no obvious way to mn-linux.org from the > mailman page, plus the security thing might freak out someone who doesn't > understand how that works. > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > Ahh, open source methodologies in action. Love it. Done. Should be at the end of this post. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Sep 26 23:15:06 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall / Router Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF24@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Good luck on that feature request. :) I talked to them awhile back, and they seemed very reluctant to add anything else right now. It appears that they are working on a commercial version which they will add all of the new goodies to. They ripped out SCSI support, and the developer I talked to hinted that the commercial version will have it. When I asked about their development kit (which is half-assed and comes with no useful instructions on compiling), no one was willing to tell me how to compile the thing. I think they were afraid that I would add SCSI support to the GPL version (which I would have done). Jay -----Original Message----- From: Scott Dier [mailto:dieman+tclug@ringworld.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 7:52 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Firewall / Router Agreed, I also fired up smoothwall and its pretty damn slick as things go. Im going to send in a feature request soon. I'm getting sick and tired of tweaking/installing firewalls. Somehting like this is a nice thing to give to people when they ask. Its easy enough for most people to install. * Rodney Ray [010926 12:59]: > I was looking at and downloaded smoothwall but I can't find anywhere that tells the minium requirements. The only thing I have a concern about is HD. I have a 850 HD, will that be enough? > > >>> austad@marketwatch.com 9/25/01 2:24:06 PM >>> > Try Smoothwall (http://www.smoothwall.org). It's free, simple, and you can > run it on an old 486. > > Jay > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rodney Ray [mailto:Rodney.Ray@childrenshc.org] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 1:27 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall / Router > > > > > > I just got a cable modem with ATT and was wondering what > > people have for firewall and router. I don't know much about > > this area so any help would be good..... Is it ok to run both > > functions on the same box or is it better to separate them? > > What is the best method of attack? > > > > Rodney Ray > > Children's Hospital and Clinics > > Data Warehouse Developer > > 651-855-2560 > > rodney.ray@childrenshc.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net "History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." - Justice Thurgood Marshall (1989) _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seg at haxxed.com Wed Sep 26 23:26:08 2001 From: seg at haxxed.com (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Universal to make CDs with copy protection References: Message-ID: <3BB2AA60.8090003@haxxed.com> > On another note, most rippers have an option to rip in analog. Yes, it > takes longer, yes, the sound quality is diminished, but if you're ripping > to MP3, you're losing a lot anyway so what's the difference if it comes > from an analog source? Anyone with more audio expertise care to comment? You're adding in noise from the DA/AD conversion, plus the DAC's in cdroms aren't known for their quality, it changes the EQ a bit, and its bad enough the typical napster luser manages to f*ck up a direct digital rip, (Their CDROM is sucky and skips, and/or get left and right flipped every other sector. And then they encode the result with a shitty ass encoder.) I'd hate to see a poliferation of analog recordings. Either too much gain, not enough, the twit didn't turn off their microphone, etc... Recording off the digital out would be better, but still most consumer soundcards with digital I/O do resampling so its still not a perfect copy. The SBLive in particular is locked at 48khz internally, all output is interpolated up to 48k, and then resampled down to 44.1 on the digital out if thats what its set to. From rudie at sihope.com Wed Sep 26 22:31:24 2001 From: rudie at sihope.com (K Hinze) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall / Router Message-ID: <20010926233124.2c4d5df5.rudie@sihope.com> > Good luck on that feature request. :) I talked to them awhile back, and > they seemed very reluctant to add anything else right now. It appears that > they are working on a commercial version which they will add all of the new > goodies to. They ripped out SCSI support, and the developer I talked to > hinted that the commercial version will have it. When I asked about their > development kit (which is half-assed and comes with no useful instructions > on compiling), no one was willing to tell me how to compile the thing. I > think they were afraid that I would add SCSI support to the GPL version > (which I would have done). > > Jay > Their head honcho, Richard Morrell, would be described by many as an asshole. They have 2 discussion forums (so to speak), a mailing list, and an irc channel. I'd opt for the irc channel (info on their web site) as richard seems to moderate the mailing list with his thrashing anger, however, as Jay pointed out, good luck. They are gearing up towards a 1.0 release tho so I wouldn't give up the farm -Kevin From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Sep 26 23:57:22 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall / Router Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF27@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> I used the IRC channel, and still got nowhere. Smoothwall is fine for now, but asshole developers tend to ruin projects. I'm anxiously awaiting the new version of Mandrake SNF. Development started on it in the last couple of days, and it will sport a 2.4 kernel. Of course, it will probably take time for them to get everything ported over to iptables support. More info was posted on mandrakeforum.com. -----Original Message----- From: K Hinze [mailto:rudie@sihope.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 10:31 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Firewall / Router > Good luck on that feature request. :) I talked to them awhile back, and > they seemed very reluctant to add anything else right now. It appears that > they are working on a commercial version which they will add all of the new > goodies to. They ripped out SCSI support, and the developer I talked to > hinted that the commercial version will have it. When I asked about their > development kit (which is half-assed and comes with no useful instructions > on compiling), no one was willing to tell me how to compile the thing. I > think they were afraid that I would add SCSI support to the GPL version > (which I would have done). > > Jay > Their head honcho, Richard Morrell, would be described by many as an asshole. They have 2 discussion forums (so to speak), a mailing list, and an irc channel. I'd opt for the irc channel (info on their web site) as richard seems to moderate the mailing list with his thrashing anger, however, as Jay pointed out, good luck. They are gearing up towards a 1.0 release tho so I wouldn't give up the farm -Kevin _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Thu Sep 27 04:16:12 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailing list footer Message-ID: <20010927041612.J18111@real-time.com> Looks like mailman removes the footer when it shoves it into the archive. There are a couple with the footer, but I think that is because it was in the reply part of the message. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From Ben at WorksCited.Net Wed Sep 26 10:42:06 2001 From: Ben at WorksCited.Net (Ben Stallings) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest question In-Reply-To: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBFF0@postman.transition.com> References: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBFF0@postman.transition.com> Message-ID: <01092610420601.05359@Romana> Hi, folks. I've never been to an installfest but plan to come to the next one (calendar willing) for the learning opportunity. Would an installfest be an appropriate place to solicit help in upgrading my existing software? I'm new enough to Linux that I have trouble getting all the libraries and things in order, so my upgrades don't always work. Or is an installfest just for new installs? --Ben Yellow Dog 2.0 on a PowerBook G3 series From florin at iucha.net Thu Sep 27 08:46:19 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest question In-Reply-To: <01092610420601.05359@Romana>; from Ben@WorksCited.Net on Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 10:42:06AM -0500 References: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBFF0@postman.transition.com> <01092610420601.05359@Romana> Message-ID: <20010927084618.A19232@beaver.iucha.org> On Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 10:42:06AM -0500, Ben Stallings wrote: > Hi, folks. I've never been to an installfest but plan to come to the next > one (calendar willing) for the learning opportunity. > > Would an installfest be an appropriate place to solicit help in upgrading my > existing software? I'm new enough to Linux that I have trouble getting all > the libraries and things in order, so my upgrades don't always work. Or is > an installfest just for new installs? "Please read the revision 14A of our 250 page "Install-Fest Policy" manual". C'mon... what's with that question? Of course _any_ question will be answered. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010927/5a49ae30/attachment.pgp From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Sep 27 08:52:12 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 8.1 final released Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF28@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Woohoo! Mandrake 8.1 was released. All of the mirrors are pretty much hammered right now. But, I have a copy and can upload it to real-time if anyone wants it. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Stallings [mailto:Ben@WorksCited.Net] > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 10:42 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest question > > > Hi, folks. I've never been to an installfest but plan to > come to the next > one (calendar willing) for the learning opportunity. > > Would an installfest be an appropriate place to solicit help > in upgrading my > existing software? I'm new enough to Linux that I have > trouble getting all > the libraries and things in order, so my upgrades don't > always work. Or is > an installfest just for new installs? > > --Ben > Yellow Dog 2.0 on a PowerBook G3 series > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Thu Sep 27 08:58:24 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailing list footer In-Reply-To: <20010927041612.J18111@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 04:16:12AM -0500 References: <20010927041612.J18111@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010927085824.A24555@trammell.dyndns.org> On Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 04:16:12AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Looks like mailman removes the footer when it shoves it into the archive. > > There are a couple with the footer, but I think that is because it was in the > reply part of the message. The solution is clear: stop trimming posts! Yay! > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- If the organizational structure is threatening in any way, nothing is going to be documented until it is completely defensible. - F. Brooks, _The Mythical Man-Month_ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 240 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010927/7aaacad5/attachment.pgp From esper at sherohman.org Thu Sep 27 08:58:27 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest question In-Reply-To: <01092610420601.05359@Romana>; from Ben@WorksCited.Net on Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 10:42:06AM -0500 References: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBFF0@postman.transition.com> <01092610420601.05359@Romana> Message-ID: <20010927085827.B28577@sherohman.org> On Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 10:42:06AM -0500, Ben Stallings wrote: > Would an installfest be an appropriate place to solicit help in upgrading my > existing software? I'm new enough to Linux that I have trouble getting all > the libraries and things in order, so my upgrades don't always work. Or is > an installfest just for new installs? As long as you can get the hardware there, I'm sure you'll be able to find someone willing to help you do whatever you want with it. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius From nate at techie.com Thu Sep 27 09:09:30 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest question In-Reply-To: <01092610420601.05359@Romana>; from Ben@WorksCited.Net on Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 10:42:06AM -0500 References: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BBFF0@postman.transition.com> <01092610420601.05359@Romana> Message-ID: <20010927090930.A12066@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 10:42:06AM -0500, Ben Stallings wrote: > Would an installfest be an appropriate place to solicit help in upgrading my > existing software? I'm new enough to Linux that I have trouble getting all > the libraries and things in order, so my upgrades don't always work. Or is > an installfest just for new installs? An installfest is a good time to get all your questions answered. People come in with systems will all kinds of problems and get helped. Some just bring their computers to show off some cool stuff. There are always people walking around offering help with whatever problem people are having. If the person triaging your problem doesn't know, they can usually find someone who can. Nate From steveg at transition.com Thu Sep 27 09:14:07 2001 From: steveg at transition.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 8.1 final released Message-ID: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BC01C@postman.transition.com> I'm game. -----Original Message----- From: Austad, Jay [mailto:austad@marketwatch.com] Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 8:52 AM To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 8.1 final released Woohoo! Mandrake 8.1 was released. All of the mirrors are pretty much hammered right now. But, I have a copy and can upload it to real-time if anyone wants it. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Stallings [mailto:Ben@WorksCited.Net] > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 10:42 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest question > > > Hi, folks. I've never been to an installfest but plan to > come to the next > one (calendar willing) for the learning opportunity. > > Would an installfest be an appropriate place to solicit help > in upgrading my > existing software? I'm new enough to Linux that I have > trouble getting all > the libraries and things in order, so my upgrades don't > always work. Or is > an installfest just for new installs? > > --Ben > Yellow Dog 2.0 on a PowerBook G3 series > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Sep 27 09:46:06 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mailing list footer In-Reply-To: <20010927085824.A24555@trammell.dyndns.org> References: <20010927041612.J18111@real-time.com> <20010927085824.A24555@trammell.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20010927094606.A7856@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 08:58:24AM -0500, John J. Trammell wrote: > On Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 04:16:12AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > Looks like mailman removes the footer when it shoves it into the archive. > > > > There are a couple with the footer, but I think that is because it was in the > > reply part of the message. > > The solution is clear: stop trimming posts! Yay! Ack! That solution is worse than the problem. Here's my attempt: everyone who uses mutt (or other similarly enlightened MUAs) should have a signature just for TCLUG lists. To set the signature you just need a line like below in your muttrc: send-hook "~t tclug.*@mn-linux.org" set signature="~/.sig_tclug" -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org Cookies are tasty! |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://freesklyarov.org/ From dsherman at real-time.com Thu Sep 27 09:21:43 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 8.1 final released In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF28@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF28@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <01092709214307.00904@dedannshae.thuria.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 27 September 2001 08:52 am, Austad, Jay wrote: > Woohoo! Mandrake 8.1 was released. All of the mirrors are pretty much > hammered right now. But, I have a copy and can upload it to real-time > if anyone wants it. :) I am definitely interested. I run Mandrake 7.2 right now, and was just waiting for the first point release to do an upgrade. I wasn't sure if Mandrake would have the same issues with new major versions that RedHat historically has had, so I didn't want to try 8.0. But 8.1, on the other hand.... Dave - -- "Nihil tam munitum quod non expugnari pecunia possit." (No fortification is such that it cannot be subdued with money.) - - Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 B.C. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7szX4A68l26XsZUYRAj5uAJ0f2RHVU71btH78eWnHYTYhwvJouACfQxb3 McjPkeCd+KDlD/X8QKwPlGo= =MnCG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From colin at lautverschiebung.org Thu Sep 27 10:18:22 2001 From: colin at lautverschiebung.org (colin schaub) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 8.1 final released In-Reply-To: <01092709214307.00904@dedannshae.thuria.org> Message-ID: out of curiosity, what are the issues redhat has with major versions? and what does 8.1 add over 8.0? i've been running 8.0 for a while now so does it make sense to upgrade? colin. On Thu, 27 Sep 2001, Dave Sherman wrote: > > I am definitely interested. I run Mandrake 7.2 right now, and was just > waiting for the first point release to do an upgrade. I wasn't sure if > Mandrake would have the same issues with new major versions that RedHat > historically has had, so I didn't want to try 8.0. But 8.1, on the other > hand.... > > Dave > - -- From jspinti at dart.dartdist.com Thu Sep 27 10:55:03 2001 From: jspinti at dart.dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 8.1 final released In-Reply-To: Message-ID: |-----Original Message----- |From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org |[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of colin schaub |Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 10:43 AM |To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org |Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Mandrake 8.1 final released | | |out of curiosity, what are the issues redhat has with major versions? and |what does 8.1 add over 8.0? i've been running 8.0 for a while now so does |it make sense to upgrade? | |colin. Redhat has used the x.0 versions as almost betas in the past. For 7.0 they changed to an unstable version of gcc I think it was. There were lots of broken installs as a result. Mandrake hasn't done that, as far as _my_ experience goes. The change log has a whole list of stuff, but the biggest change is an upgrade to KDE 2.2.1. Check out this URL for an overview: http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/81.php3 From dsherman at real-time.com Thu Sep 27 11:14:34 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 8.1 final released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01092711143400.03484@dedannshae.thuria.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 27 September 2001 10:18 am, colin schaub wrote: > out of curiosity, what are the issues redhat has with major versions? I ran into several problems (don't remember off-hand) with 6.0, and heard of other people having similar problems. It seemed like RedHat just doesn't do the QA that they need to, for their x.0 releases. By 6.1, things were greatly improved. I have read and heard similar things about 5.0 and 7.0, vs. the 5.1 and 7.1 improvements/bug-fixes. Dave - -- "Nihil tam munitum quod non expugnari pecunia possit." (No fortification is such that it cannot be subdued with money.) - - Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 B.C. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7s1BtA68l26XsZUYRAgqyAJ0R82YpweXu5uP7DrBGabD+hEJ1BwCfX+5c qwW3GE1SatPGUzQeo+5S8Ik= =pZ21 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From simeonuj at eetc.com Thu Sep 27 11:24:18 2001 From: simeonuj at eetc.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 8.1 final released In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF28@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: on 9/27/01 8:52 AM, Austad, Jay at austad@marketwatch.com wrote: > Woohoo! Mandrake 8.1 was released. All of the mirrors are pretty much > hammered right now. But, I have a copy and can upload it to real-time if > anyone wants it. :) Ya.. But were's the PPC version? sim From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Sep 27 12:01:30 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 8.1 final released Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF2A@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Cotton Swab! Mandrake 8.0 was very flaky in my experience. Lot's of tweaking to get everything working right, and the installer SUCKED because it installed things I didn't want, and didn't install some things I checked. I switched back to 7.2 because 8.0 was so flaky. 8.1 looks like it's gotten the install right this time. It comes with Koffice 1.1, Kde 2.2.1, kernel 2.4.8 with patches that add support for 4 different journaling filesystems (XFS, JFS, ReiserFS, and ext3). Those are the major highlights of it. It's much more polished than previous releases too. It's definitely worth upgrading if you are using your box as a workstation, much more usable. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: colin schaub [mailto:colin@lautverschiebung.org] > Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 10:18 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Mandrake 8.1 final released > > > out of curiosity, what are the issues redhat has with major > versions? and what does 8.1 add over 8.0? i've been running > 8.0 for a while now so does it make sense to upgrade? > > colin. > > On Thu, 27 Sep 2001, Dave Sherman wrote: > > > > > I am definitely interested. I run Mandrake 7.2 right now, > and was just > > waiting for the first point release to do an upgrade. I > wasn't sure if > > Mandrake would have the same issues with new major versions that > > RedHat historically has had, so I didn't want to try 8.0. > But 8.1, on > > the other hand.... > > > > Dave > > - -- > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jon.erickson at neicoltech.org Thu Sep 27 13:00:35 2001 From: jon.erickson at neicoltech.org (Jon Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010927124256.01c55a78@popmail.neicollege.org> I'm building a box that will act as a firewall \ transparent proxy (squid) for roughly 500 clients. I plan to use Reiserfs on the cache partitions and would like to use a 2.4.X kernel with it's stateful firewall. For servers, I usually use Debian but I'm not sure about running potato w\ a 2.4 kernel on a production server. I know that Adrian Bunk has developed the packages (http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/kernel-24.html) to run the new kernel but also warns that it may not be stable. Is anyone running a 2.4 kernel on a Debian (potato) box in production? Any suggestions from people who have configured a linux firewall\proxy would be appreciated as well ;-) Jon Erickson From nate at techie.com Thu Sep 27 13:53:00 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010927124256.01c55a78@popmail.neicollege.org>; from jon.erickson@neicoltech.org on Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 01:00:35PM -0500 References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010927124256.01c55a78@popmail.neicollege.org> Message-ID: <20010927135300.A7229@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 01:00:35PM -0500, Jon Erickson wrote: > For servers, I usually use Debian but I'm not sure about running > potato w\ a 2.4 kernel on a production server. I know that Adrian > Bunk has developed the packages > (http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/kernel-24.html) to run the new kernel but > also warns that it may not be stable. Is anyone running a 2.4 kernel > on a Debian (potato) box in production? I used Bunk's packages before I moved on to woody and sid. IMHO, they were stable. I might suggest using woody since that is getting closer to release. Nate From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Sep 27 14:46:47 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Konqueror + flash and java Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF2D@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Has anyone gotten java and flash to work with konqueror? I've installed the IBM JRE 1.3 and pointed konqueror at it, but it doesn't work. Applets are a gray box that say "loading applet" in the center. I enabled the show java console button too, but the console never pops up. Also, I can't get flash to work with it. Where do I put the plugins and how do I tell Konqueror to use them? I know people have both of these working, but I can't seem to get either to work. Jay From dsherman at real-time.com Thu Sep 27 15:02:08 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Konqueror + flash and java In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF2D@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF2D@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <01092715020800.04528@dedannshae.thuria.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 27 September 2001 02:46 pm, Austad, Jay wrote: > Also, I can't get flash to work with it. Where do I put the plugins and > how do I tell Konqueror to use them? I know people have both of these > working, but I can't seem to get either to work. Regarding Flash, Konqueror has a set of directories it looks in, including /usr/local/netscape/plugins and some others. These directories are configurable, in the KDE Control Center. Once I had Flash working in Netscape, it worked in Konqueror without a hitch. Dave - -- "Nihil tam munitum quod non expugnari pecunia possit." (No fortification is such that it cannot be subdued with money.) - - Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 B.C. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7s4XGA68l26XsZUYRAgDTAJwNtCXve7JvP4L2C5Mm9hl3ZOoingCeJjA1 CkuyVZNkmi+cu/5NsAyGIPM= =iV9S -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Sep 27 15:05:03 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Konqueror + flash and java Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF2E@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Ok, I had to install the kdebase-nsplugins rpm, and now flash works. But what about Java? Anyone got applets working in Konqueror? > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Sherman [mailto:dsherman@real-time.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 3:02 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Konqueror + flash and java > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Thursday 27 September 2001 02:46 pm, Austad, Jay wrote: > > Also, I can't get flash to work with it. Where do I put > the plugins > > and how do I tell Konqueror to use them? I know people > have both of > > these working, but I can't seem to get either to work. > > Regarding Flash, Konqueror has a set of directories it looks > in, including > /usr/local/netscape/plugins and some others. These directories are > configurable, in the KDE Control Center. Once I had Flash working in > Netscape, it worked in Konqueror without a hitch. > > Dave > - -- > "Nihil tam munitum quod non expugnari pecunia possit." (No > fortification is such that it cannot be subdued with money.) > - - Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 B.C. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE7s4XGA68l26XsZUYRAgDTAJwNtCXve7JvP4L2C5Mm9hl3ZOoingCeJjA1 > CkuyVZNkmi+cu/5NsAyGIPM= > =iV9S > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jay at slushpupie.com Thu Sep 27 15:20:05 2001 From: jay at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Konqueror + flash and java In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF2E@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF2E@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010927202013.RTMC14971.femail30.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Yeah, I got it to work, but its a real pain. It only works (for me anyway) with the jre. As I do java development stuff, I also need to have the jdk installed. The trick is to make sure the java executable is in the path, which a default install of java wont do. Jay On Thursday 27 September 2001 03:05 pm, you wrote: > Ok, I had to install the kdebase-nsplugins rpm, and now flash works. But > what about Java? Anyone got applets working in Konqueror? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dave Sherman [mailto:dsherman@real-time.com] > > Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 3:02 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Konqueror + flash and java > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > On Thursday 27 September 2001 02:46 pm, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > Also, I can't get flash to work with it. Where do I put > > > > the plugins > > > > > and how do I tell Konqueror to use them? I know people > > > > have both of > > > > > these working, but I can't seem to get either to work. > > > > Regarding Flash, Konqueror has a set of directories it looks > > in, including > > /usr/local/netscape/plugins and some others. These directories are > > configurable, in the KDE Control Center. Once I had Flash working in > > Netscape, it worked in Konqueror without a hitch. > > > > Dave > > - -- > > "Nihil tam munitum quod non expugnari pecunia possit." (No > > fortification is such that it cannot be subdued with money.) > > - - Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 B.C. > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > > > iD8DBQE7s4XGA68l26XsZUYRAgDTAJwNtCXve7JvP4L2C5Mm9hl3ZOoingCeJjA1 > > CkuyVZNkmi+cu/5NsAyGIPM= > > =iV9S > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jay Kline list@slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com -- Your temporary financial embarrassment will be relieved in a surprising manner. From chrome at real-time.com Thu Sep 27 15:28:26 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SuSE init script tool? Message-ID: <20010927152826.J12631@real-time.com> What's the SuSE equivalent of RedHat's 'chkconfig'? Is there such a tool? Can chkconfig be dropped into place on a SuSE installation? also, is there a local source for SuSE .iso's? I'd like to install it on some machine and get used to it, since I may have to support it sometime soon. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From dsherman at real-time.com Thu Sep 27 15:37:25 2001 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Konqueror + flash and java In-Reply-To: <20010927202013.RTMC14971.femail30.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF2E@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20010927202013.RTMC14971.femail30.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> Message-ID: <01092715372502.04528@dedannshae.thuria.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 You should be able to just go into the KDE Control Center, go to Web Browsing -> Konqueror Browser -> Java, and right there you can specify the path to the java executable. The default is 'java', assuming that java is in your path already. But if not, just point it to wherever java actually resides. Dave On Thursday 27 September 2001 03:20 pm, Jay Kline wrote: > Yeah, I got it to work, but its a real pain. It only works (for me > anyway) with the jre. As I do java development stuff, I also need to > have the jdk installed. The trick is to make sure the java executable > is in the path, which a default install of java wont do. > > Jay > > On Thursday 27 September 2001 03:05 pm, you wrote: > > Ok, I had to install the kdebase-nsplugins rpm, and now flash works. > > But what about Java? Anyone got applets working in Konqueror? - -- "Nihil tam munitum quod non expugnari pecunia possit." (No fortification is such that it cannot be subdued with money.) - - Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 B.C. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7s44FA68l26XsZUYRAvqqAJ9NXpI7VmpQuA9hDyS/PSfeldEVXwCgp/Qz fZzZtms16y2UJufiTic6ims= =lt4p -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Sep 27 15:50:01 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Konqueror + flash and java Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF2F@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Well, I installed the IBM JRE, so it's in some /opt/IBMblabla/jre/bin directory. I added it to my path, but I had to reboot to actually make it work. But, it does work now. :) Sweet! > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Sherman [mailto:dsherman@real-time.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 3:37 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Konqueror + flash and java > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > You should be able to just go into the KDE Control Center, go to Web > Browsing -> Konqueror Browser -> Java, and right there you > can specify the > path to the java executable. The default is 'java', assuming > that java is > in your path already. But if not, just point it to wherever > java actually > resides. > > Dave > > On Thursday 27 September 2001 03:20 pm, Jay Kline wrote: > > Yeah, I got it to work, but its a real pain. It only works (for me > > anyway) with the jre. As I do java development stuff, I > also need to > > have the jdk installed. The trick is to make sure the java > executable > > is in the path, which a default install of java wont do. > > > > Jay > > > > On Thursday 27 September 2001 03:05 pm, you wrote: > > > Ok, I had to install the kdebase-nsplugins rpm, and now > flash works. > > > But what about Java? Anyone got applets working in Konqueror? > > - -- > "Nihil tam munitum quod non expugnari pecunia possit." (No > fortification is such that it cannot be subdued with money.) > - - Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 B.C. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE7s44FA68l26XsZUYRAvqqAJ9NXpI7VmpQuA9hDyS/PSfeldEVXwCgp/Qz > fZzZtms16y2UJufiTic6ims= > =lt4p > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From steveg at transition.com Thu Sep 27 16:02:01 2001 From: steveg at transition.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SuSE init script tool? Message-ID: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BC021@postman.transition.com> I have a copy of 7.2 professional here if you want to borrow it to make copies. -----Original Message----- From: Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom [mailto:chrome@real-time.com] Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 3:28 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] SuSE init script tool? What's the SuSE equivalent of RedHat's 'chkconfig'? Is there such a tool? Can chkconfig be dropped into place on a SuSE installation? also, is there a local source for SuSE .iso's? I'd like to install it on some machine and get used to it, since I may have to support it sometime soon. Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From thomas at stderr.net Thu Sep 27 16:11:36 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SuSE init script tool? In-Reply-To: <20010927152826.J12631@real-time.com>; from chrome@real-time.com on Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 03:28:26PM -0500 References: <20010927152826.J12631@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010927231136.A18505@io.stderr.net> On Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 03:28:26PM -0500, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > What's the SuSE equivalent of RedHat's 'chkconfig'? > Is there such a tool? > Can chkconfig be dropped into place on a SuSE installation? > > also, is there a local source for SuSE .iso's? I'd like to install it on > some machine and get used to it, since I may have to support it sometime soon. I have a copy of 7.2 Prof I could bring to the MPM meeting today if you want to borrow it and you're thinking of showing up. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From chrome at real-time.com Thu Sep 27 16:31:52 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SuSE init script tool? In-Reply-To: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BC021@postman.transition.com>; from steveg@transition.com on Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 04:02:01PM -0500 References: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BC021@postman.transition.com> Message-ID: <20010927163152.E22792@real-time.com> > I have a copy of 7.2 professional here if you want to borrow it to make > copies. thanks! but I'm going to see Thomas in a couple of hours; and he says he'll loan me his SuSE CD. thanks anyway! Carl. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Sep 27 16:36:25 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Universal to make CDs with copy protection In-Reply-To: <3BB2AA60.8090003@haxxed.com> References: <3BB2AA60.8090003@haxxed.com> Message-ID: <20010927163625.00625139.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Callum Lerwick wrote: > > Recording off the digital out would be better, but still most consumer > soundcards with digital I/O do resampling so its still not a perfect > copy. The SBLive in particular is locked at 48khz internally, all output > is interpolated up to 48k, and then resampled down to 44.1 on the > digital out if thats what its set to. It's beyond my capability, but I suspect that a sufficiently talented person could design a fairly simple device that could intercept the data stream, and supply it in a nice way through a parallel or USB port. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ E Pluribus Unix / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The testing I have done, shows ext2 faster the Reiserfs, and on a cache fs, I don't think journaling is necessary or needed (IMHO). Just curious. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jon.erickson at neicoltech.org Thu Sep 27 17:25:00 2001 From: jon.erickson at neicoltech.org (Jon Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20010927165424.V8625@real-time.com> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010927124256.01c55a78@popmail.neicollege.org> <5.0.2.1.0.20010927124256.01c55a78@popmail.neicollege.org> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010927170833.01c132f0@popmail.neicollege.org> >Can you explain why you'd run Reiserfs on the cache partition? I've heard that Reiserfs is faster than ext2 when working with lots of small files such as those on a cache partition. >The testing I have done, shows ext2 faster the Reiserfs, and on a cache fs, I >don't think journaling is necessary or needed (IMHO). That's interesting to hear. I've read on a couple web sites (http://www.swelltech.com/pengies/joe/benchmarks.html is one of them) that had benchmarked ext2 and Reiserfs cache partitions and they saw significant performance increases with Reiserfs. I'd be interested in seeing your results if you have them documented. I agree that journaling is not needed for a cache partition but it sure would be nice not having to run fsck on 27Gb of small files if it were to crash ;-) Jon From ksm at dogbrain.com Thu Sep 27 17:51:45 2001 From: ksm at dogbrain.com (Karl Morgan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20010927165424.V8625@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 04:54:24PM -0500 References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010927124256.01c55a78@popmail.neicollege.org> <20010927165424.V8625@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010927175145.A1066@dogbrain.com> On Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 04:54:24PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Jon Erickson (jon.erickson@neicoltech.org): > > I'm building a box that will act as a firewall \ transparent proxy (squid) > > for roughly 500 clients. I plan to use Reiserfs on the cache partitions > > and would like to use a 2.4.X kernel with it's stateful firewall. > > Can you explain why you'd run Reiserfs on the cache partition? > > The testing I have done, shows ext2 faster the Reiserfs, and on a cache fs, I > don't think journaling is necessary or needed (IMHO). > > Just curious. Reiserfs is definetly faster when a large number of small files is involved like it would be for a squid cache. What benchmark did you use? Postmark (http://www.netapp.com/tech_library/3022.html) is a good benchmark utility for testing a filesystem with a large number of changing file. It's faster because the B* tree can find the specific file in the directory structure much quicker than on an ext2 filesystem. Once the file is found, the throughput is similar (sometimes less) in performance when compared to ext2. It becomes an issue of disk speed at that point. There is also a benchmark section off www.reiserfs.org which has a number of different benchmark comparisons. Regards - Karl From wilson at visi.com Thu Sep 27 18:05:30 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "Backporting" newer apache to Debian 2.2 Message-ID: Hi everyone, The current Debian release ("Potato") uses apache 1.3.9. I would really like to be using a later version because of a small feature that is unavailable in 1.3.9. Debian Woody has a version that would work, but I'm a bit nervous about installing it on my production server. Anyone tried this? Any problems? BTW, my method would be to change /etc/apt/apt.conf and apt-get update to Woody, install apache, and then change apt.conf back to "stable" and apt-get update things back. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From tanner at real-time.com Thu Sep 27 18:42:09 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010927170833.01c132f0@popmail.neicollege.org>; from jon.erickson@neicoltech.org on Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 05:25:00PM -0500 References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010927124256.01c55a78@popmail.neicollege.org> <5.0.2.1.0.20010927124256.01c55a78@popmail.neicollege.org> <20010927165424.V8625@real-time.com> <5.0.2.1.0.20010927170833.01c132f0@popmail.neicollege.org> Message-ID: <20010927184209.C8625@real-time.com> Quoting Jon Erickson (jon.erickson@neicoltech.org): > >The testing I have done, shows ext2 faster the Reiserfs, and on a cache fs, I > >don't think journaling is necessary or needed (IMHO). > > That's interesting to hear. I've read on a couple web sites > (http://www.swelltech.com/pengies/joe/benchmarks.html is one of them) > that had benchmarked ext2 and Reiserfs cache partitions and they saw > significant performance increases with Reiserfs. I'd be interested in > seeing your results if you have them documented. I tried this on a fs where I do all my compiles. This is under Java using both make and ant, so I don't know if .java and .class files constitute "small" files. I got the raw data, let me see of I can make something with gnuplot. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From nate at techie.com Thu Sep 27 18:53:18 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "Backporting" newer apache to Debian 2.2 In-Reply-To: ; from wilson@visi.com on Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 06:05:30PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010927185318.A29690@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 06:05:30PM -0500, Timothy Wilson wrote: > The current Debian release ("Potato") uses apache 1.3.9. I would really like > to be using a later version because of a small feature that is unavailable > in 1.3.9. Debian Woody has a version that would work, but I'm a bit nervous > about installing it on my production server. Anyone tried this? Any > problems? Try setting your deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list to a woody directory, then `apt-get source apache` and do the build yourself. Nate From sextus at visi.com Thu Sep 27 18:53:04 2001 From: sextus at visi.com (Michael Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "Backporting" newer apache to Debian 2.2 In-Reply-To: ; from Timothy Wilson on Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 06:05:30PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010927185303.A29334@visi.com> ON Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 06:05:30PM -0500, Timothy Wilson wrote: > Hi everyone, > > The current Debian release ("Potato") uses apache 1.3.9. I would really like > to be using a later version because of a small feature that is unavailable > in 1.3.9. Debian Woody has a version that would work, but I'm a bit nervous > about installing it on my production server. Anyone tried this? Any > problems? > > BTW, my method would be to change /etc/apt/apt.conf and apt-get update to > Woody, install apache, and then change apt.conf back to "stable" and apt-get > update things back. Wouldn't it be easier to install Apache from source? -- Michael From florin at iucha.net Thu Sep 27 19:15:59 2001 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20010927184209.C8625@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 06:42:09PM -0500 References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010927124256.01c55a78@popmail.neicollege.org> <5.0.2.1.0.20010927124256.01c55a78@popmail.neicollege.org> <20010927165424.V8625@real-time.com> <5.0.2.1.0.20010927170833.01c132f0@popmail.neicollege.org> <20010927184209.C8625@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010927191559.A2408@beaver.iucha.org> On Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 06:42:09PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Jon Erickson (jon.erickson@neicoltech.org): > > >The testing I have done, shows ext2 faster the Reiserfs, and on a cache fs, I > > >don't think journaling is necessary or needed (IMHO). > > > > That's interesting to hear. I've read on a couple web sites > > (http://www.swelltech.com/pengies/joe/benchmarks.html is one of them) > > that had benchmarked ext2 and Reiserfs cache partitions and they saw > > significant performance increases with Reiserfs. I'd be interested in > > seeing your results if you have them documented. > > I tried this on a fs where I do all my compiles. This is under Java using both > make and ant, so I don't know if .java and .class files constitute "small" > files. > > I got the raw data, let me see of I can make something with gnuplot. What? Your benchmarked filesystems by compiling java sources? What has java compilation to do with filesystem access? Have you did a vmstat to see how much time is spent in i/o and how much time actually compiling? Your "benchmark" is totally flawed. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, ejg05 From wilson at visi.com Thu Sep 27 21:21:40 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "Backporting" newer apache to Debian 2.2 In-Reply-To: <20010927185318.A29690@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Sep 2001, Nate Straz wrote: > On Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 06:05:30PM -0500, Timothy Wilson wrote: > > The current Debian release ("Potato") uses apache 1.3.9. I would really like > > to be using a later version because of a small feature that is unavailable > > in 1.3.9. Debian Woody has a version that would work, but I'm a bit nervous > > about installing it on my production server. Anyone tried this? Any > > problems? > > Try setting your deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list to a woody > directory, then `apt-get source apache` and do the build yourself. You know, I've been using Debian for a while now and I've never bothered to use apt-get source. Does the source build automatically install itself in place of the existing binary version? If so, how is that different than "backporting" a binary from another Debian version? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Sep 27 21:23:12 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "Backporting" newer apache to Debian 2.2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > BTW, my method would be to change /etc/apt/apt.conf and apt-get update to > Woody, install apache, and then change apt.conf back to "stable" and apt-get > update things back. It will not work. Potato and Woody are not similar enough. Woody libs being newer is the main concern. What you should do is add a deb-src line (same as a deb line, only start it with deb-src.) for woody, apt-get update, etc. Install the dev libs needed to build apache, then, as a normal user... [zibby@longshot:~/src]#apt-get source apache This will download and extract the Debian source packages. Next: [zibby@longshot:~/src]#cd apache-1.3.20-1.1 [zibby@longshot:~/src/apache-1.3.20-1.1]#debian/rules binary This will start the build process. Apache will compile, and debs will be build. You may find it helpful to ./configure before doing the debian/rules binary, as configure should tell you if you're missing anything. (You'll most likely miss things if you just do the debian/rules binary) If it all out fails, just try a plain source instalation into /usr/local. Or check the version of apache in progeny. Or you can bite the bullet and run woody. :) Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Sep 27 21:44:00 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20010927165424.V8625@real-time.com> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010927124256.01c55a78@popmail.neicollege.org> <20010927165424.V8625@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010927214359.O27957@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [010927 16:58]: > The testing I have done, shows ext2 faster the Reiserfs, and on a cache fs, I > don't think journaling is necessary or needed (IMHO). Reiserfs has the benefit of faster directory and file traversal over ext2. Web caches use lots of small files organised in many directories, reiserfs uses different structures (btrees) than ext2 to organise files/dirs so they can be found on the disk faster in even absurdly large configurations. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net "History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." - Justice Thurgood Marshall (1989) From jaredburns at acm.org Thu Sep 27 22:01:13 2001 From: jaredburns at acm.org (Jared Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cd burner info In-Reply-To: <3BB34D7F.314AF1C5@csufresno.edu> References: <3BB34D7F.314AF1C5@csufresno.edu> Message-ID: <01092722011301.01740@ghazgkull> I'm not sure if you mean you can't get CD burning going at all or if you mean you're just having problems with the games. In case you did mean you're having trouble with the general case, the answer (as I understand it anyway) is that you need to tell Linux to treat your CD burner as a SCSI drive - yes, even if it's an IDE drive. Check /etc/lilo.conf and make sure it includes the line: hdc=ide-scsi where "hdc" is the appropriate disk for your system setup. After you do that, things should just go. - Jared Newbie with just enough knowledge to be dangerous On Thursday 27 September 2001 11:02 am, you wrote: > I just recently purchased a cd writer. I wanted to burn some video games > that i have for my psx2 but i can't seem to get it going, can you help > me with some step by step information. Thanks, ejg05 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Sep 27 23:18:16 2001 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "Backporting" newer apache to Debian 2.2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Sep 2001, Timothy Wilson wrote: > You know, I've been using Debian for a while now and I've never bothered to > use apt-get source. Does the source build automatically install itself in > place of the existing binary version? If so, how is that different than > "backporting" a binary from another Debian version? If you use apt-get -b source apache it will. :) The difference is that the new package will be built agnist the older libs of your potato install instead of the newer libs in woody. The difference is version numbers. It's very lickly that the woody package will depend on newer libs that are in woody, and thus won't install. When you rebuild the package, debhelper should change the varsions accordingly, and all will be happy and what not. debs are just neat, but they don't always behave between dists. The same goes for redhat, except debs are smarter :) Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "We can learn much more from wise words, little from wisecracks and less from wise guys." --William Arthur Ward From tanner at real-time.com Fri Sep 28 01:14:13 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Local kernel mirror Message-ID: <20010928011413.B29219@real-time.com> Forgot to update the ipchains rules so our local kernel mirror is grossly out of date. If you don't follow the kernel mirror admin stuff, the main site recently had an IP change. I'm rsync-ing now. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jamie at getsetnet.net Fri Sep 28 07:06:39 2001 From: jamie at getsetnet.net (Jamie Ostrowski) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shell based Linux games Message-ID: Does anyone know where I can find sources or binaries (preferably sources) of shell based Linux games? I have done some hunting, but most of what I find is all X-windows based, and I only have a couple shell based games on my machine. I'd like more. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Thanks! - Jamie -- "It's pretty hard to stop a man who eats his toast every morning." From wilson at visi.com Fri Sep 28 06:39:09 2001 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "Backporting" newer apache to Debian 2.2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Sep 2001, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > On Thu, 27 Sep 2001, Timothy Wilson wrote: > > > You know, I've been using Debian for a while now and I've never bothered to > > use apt-get source. Does the source build automatically install itself in > > place of the existing binary version? If so, how is that different than > > "backporting" a binary from another Debian version? > > If you use apt-get -b source apache it will. :) > > The difference is that the new package will be built agnist the older libs > of your potato install instead of the newer libs in woody. The difference > is version numbers. It's very lickly that the woody package will depend on > newer libs that are in woody, and thus won't install. I'm actually running a 2.4.x kernel on this box. Right away after installing Potato I updated a few packages (using someone's collection of "required debs for running 2.4.x on Potato") to be compatible with the 2.4 requirements. Perhaps that would help? Otherwise, I suppose I could upgrade the whole thing to woody. I've had absolutely no problems with woody on another server of mine, but I get a little nervous about the prospect of putting woody on our school district's Web server. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Fri Sep 28 08:56:50 2001 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shell based Linux games In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010928085650.A12345@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Fri, Sep 28, 2001 at 07:06:39AM -0500, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > Does anyone know where I can find sources or binaries (preferably > sources) of shell based Linux games? I have done some hunting, but most of > what I find is all X-windows based, and I only have a couple shell based > games on my machine. I'd like more. Can anyone point me in the right > direction? Thanks! I'd start at http://packages.debian.org/unstable/games/. There are brief descriptions of all the games that are in unstable, and usually pretty easy to figure out if they are text based or not. There are links to the source for each of the packages if you don't use Debian. Depending on your tastes, take a look at the bsdgames and nethack packages. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org Cookies are tasty! |Free Dmitry Sklyarov - http://freesklyarov.org/ From nate at techie.com Fri Sep 28 09:04:36 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shell based Linux games In-Reply-To: ; from jamie@getsetnet.net on Fri, Sep 28, 2001 at 07:06:39AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010928090436.A26913@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Fri, Sep 28, 2001 at 07:06:39AM -0500, Jamie Ostrowski wrote: > Does anyone know where I can find sources or binaries (preferably > sources) of shell based Linux games? I have done some hunting, but most of > what I find is all X-windows based, and I only have a couple shell based > games on my machine. I'd like more. Can anyone point me in the right > direction? Thanks! Nethack, the only one you need. http://www.nethack.org/ You can always check out the Debian games section. http://packages.debian.org/stable/games/ There are many shell games in the BSD games package. I couldn't find an official homepage for them. Nate From scott.w.fischer at att.net Fri Sep 28 09:11:24 2001 From: scott.w.fischer at att.net (scott.w.fischer@att.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shell based Linux games Message-ID: <20010928141124.JJRW1680.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Try looking for any of the hack variants. I'd suggest either nethack or angband. -swf -- "Don't pray when it rains if you don't pray when the sun shines." - Satchel Paige > > > > Does anyone know where I can find sources or binaries (preferably > sources) of shell based Linux games? I have done some hunting, but most of > what I find is all X-windows based, and I only have a couple shell based > games on my machine. I'd like more. Can anyone point me in the right > direction? Thanks! > > > > - Jamie > > > > -- > > "It's pretty hard to stop a man who eats his toast every morning." > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From esper at sherohman.org Fri Sep 28 09:17:06 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "Backporting" newer apache to Debian 2.2 In-Reply-To: ; from zibby+tclug@ringworld.org on Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 09:23:12PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010928091706.B3127@sherohman.org> On Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 09:23:12PM -0500, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > > BTW, my method would be to change /etc/apt/apt.conf and apt-get update to > > Woody, install apache, and then change apt.conf back to "stable" and apt-get > > update things back. > > It will not work. Potato and Woody are not similar enough. Woody libs > being newer is the main concern. Yes, it would work to do it that way. I've done it many times. However, odds are that apache won't be the only thing upgraded - the necessary woody libs will be brought over also, which in turn may force other packages to also be upgraded. Or it may not. When you get to the `apt-get install apache` stage, you'll be told everything that would get upgraded and can decide whether to go through with it or seek an alternate method. Going for the source deb also works, though, and would probably be safer if a binary upgrade would involve many libraries. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius From mjn at umn.edu Fri Sep 28 09:42:12 2001 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Calculating server heat output... Message-ID: Anyone have any information as far as formulas or resources for calculating heat output from various electronic components and comoputers? We need the W for all of our machines (with some room for milk, ha!) and I am having trouble coming up with anything in the way of specific information for our Dell and Compaq servers or approaches for calculating the values... Thanks... -- ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://supermonkeycollider.dyndns.org/ ____________________________ From steveg at transition.com Fri Sep 28 10:02:07 2001 From: steveg at transition.com (Steve Grobe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Calculating server heat output... Message-ID: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BC024@postman.transition.com> I usually just go with the max rating on the power supply for computers, for monitors just multiply the voltage by the max current draw if there is not a wattage rating on the unit. If you are trying to calculate heat output for air conditioning take the total wattage and convert it to Btu/h. 1W=3.4121 Btu/h. -----Original Message----- From: mjn [mailto:mjn@umn.edu] Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 9:42 AM To: Twirling Pickles of Death Subject: [TCLUG] Calculating server heat output... Anyone have any information as far as formulas or resources for calculating heat output from various electronic components and comoputers? We need the W for all of our machines (with some room for milk, ha!) and I am having trouble coming up with anything in the way of specific information for our Dell and Compaq servers or approaches for calculating the values... Thanks... -- ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://supermonkeycollider.dyndns.org/ ____________________________ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bradyh at bitstream.net Fri Sep 28 10:07:53 2001 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shell based Linux games In-Reply-To: <20010928090436.A26913@candle.mn.mediaone.net> References: <20010928090436.A26913@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <1001689673.23257.72.camel@lis.llewellyn.com> Oh man I want to kill the person who created Nethack. I know it's supposed to be impossible but I finally got so frustrated I spent some time looking through the source code for a way to keep my character from starving to death. I thought maybe if I changed all the cursed items to uncursed and changed all the useless potions to food it might make the game a bit more playable. > Nethack, the only one you need. > http://www.nethack.org/ > > You can always check out the Debian games section. > http://packages.debian.org/stable/games/ > > There are many shell games in the BSD games package. I couldn't find an > official homepage for them. > > Nate From wilcoxon at bridge.com Fri Sep 28 10:20:34 2001 From: wilcoxon at bridge.com (Stephen R. Wilcoxon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shell based Linux games In-Reply-To: Message from Jamie Ostrowski of "Fri, 28 Sep 2001 07:06:39 CDT." References: Message-ID: <200109281520.LAA11725@mnmailhost> On Fri 2001/09/28 07:06:39 CDT, Jamie Ostrowski writes: > Does anyone know where I can find sources or binaries (preferably > sources) of shell based Linux games? I have done some hunting, but most of > what I find is all X-windows based, and I only have a couple shell based > games on my machine. I'd like more. Can anyone point me in the right > direction? Thanks! http://www.skoardy.demon.co.uk/rlnews/ This has links to pretty much all of the rogue-like games out there. Almost all of these are "ascii graphics" games (usually using curses). From amy at real-time.com Fri Sep 28 10:12:45 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux boot problem Message-ID: <20010928101245.B2256@real-time.com> Had some type of power issue and now one of my linux boxes won't boot. I booted from my boot disk that I created when I installed the system. Last message that comes up is: Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount rot fs on 03:01 What things can I try to get the box up and running? What tests can I do to determine if the data on the harddrive is still there? Thanks. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From andy at theasis.com Fri Sep 28 10:30:21 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux boot problem In-Reply-To: <20010928101245.B2256@real-time.com> Message-ID: > Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount rot fs on 03:01 > > What things can I try to get the box up and running? Try a different boot floppy? A rescue disk? > What tests can I do to determine if the data on the harddrive is still > there? Rip out the HD and throw it in another system. Mount the partitions somewhere and take a look at the filesystem. Andy > > Thanks. > From veldy at visi.com Fri Sep 28 11:04:02 2001 From: veldy at visi.com (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] QWest DSL Provision -- when? Message-ID: <00b101c14837$3134a760$3028680a@tgt.com> In the past, QWest has always provisioned the DSL up to a week ahead of the actual due date. However, in my case, it seems that they are not doing it early at all. I am nervous that it won't actually be live when they said it would (Monday). Of course, I could just be getting the anxious jitters. My DSL will be using a Remote Terminal (Lucent Stinger), could that have anything to do with it? Does anyboy on this list have any experience with QWest setting up DSL on remote terminals? Did they make the due date? How is the service? Tom Veldhouse veldy@visi.com From natecars at real-time.com Fri Sep 28 11:22:21 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] QWest DSL Provision -- when? In-Reply-To: <00b101c14837$3134a760$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Sep 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > In the past, QWest has always provisioned the DSL up to a week ahead of the > actual due date. However, in my case, it seems that they are not doing it > early at all. I am nervous that it won't actually be live when they said it > would (Monday). Of course, I could just be getting the anxious jitters. My > DSL will be using a Remote Terminal (Lucent Stinger), could that have > anything to do with it? In my experience with our clients, they are almost ALWAYS late. It's very annoying. > Does anyboy on this list have any experience with QWest setting up DSL on > remote terminals? Did they make the due date? How is the service? We haven't had anyone come through a remote terminal yet, but according to the info they have told us, it shouldn't any different that the normal provisioning time. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From npt at visi.com Fri Sep 28 11:27:35 2001 From: npt at visi.com (nick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] QWest DSL Provision -- when? In-Reply-To: <00b101c14837$3134a760$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: qwest is driving me up a wall. they've delayed my dsl due date a week at a time for a month now. i've had it since october 98 and i am going NUTS with this 56k crap.. :) anyway, it was delayed last friday to today, call this morning, now they say monday, AND.. get this; the 678 was supposed to arrive probably three weeks ago now originally, so i had them call ups today finally... qwest didn't tell them my apt # so it's been floating around ups for god knows how long. i hate qwest. who was this other phone co i heard about on here a few weeks ago? anybody use them yet? someone was saying there were 100% qwest free weren't they? :) nick ------------------------------------------ unix. nick thompson npt@visi.com ------------------------------------------ On Fri, 28 Sep 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > In the past, QWest has always provisioned the DSL up to a week ahead of the > actual due date. However, in my case, it seems that they are not doing it > early at all. I am nervous that it won't actually be live when they said it > would (Monday). Of course, I could just be getting the anxious jitters. My > DSL will be using a Remote Terminal (Lucent Stinger), could that have > anything to do with it? > > Does anyboy on this list have any experience with QWest setting up DSL on > remote terminals? Did they make the due date? How is the service? > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@visi.com > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From amy at real-time.com Fri Sep 28 11:15:28 2001 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux boot problem In-Reply-To: ; from andy@theasis.com on Fri, Sep 28, 2001 at 10:30:21AM -0500 References: <20010928101245.B2256@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010928111528.E2256@real-time.com> On Fri, Sep 28, 2001 at 10:30:21AM -0500, andy@theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) wrote: > > Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount rot fs on 03:01 > > > > What things can I try to get the box up and running? > > Try a different boot floppy? > A rescue disk? tried - doesn't recognize a harddrive. > > What tests can I do to determine if the data on the harddrive is still > > there? > > Rip out the HD and throw it in another system. Mount the partitions > somewhere and take a look at the filesystem. neither the bios or a rescue disk recognizes the harddrive. also put the harddrive in another box and same thing. guess the harddrive is fried. damn. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Sep 28 11:48:34 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] QWest DSL Provision -- when? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF40@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Yeah, well today I find out my phone was disconnected. I called Qwest and they said it was from non-payment, even though I sent them money using an EFT last Thursday. They claimed that they didn't get it until today (I though EFT was pretty much instant). Then they wanted $130 to reconnect me. I switched to USLink, and it took effect yesterday. I think they realized this and just to be dicks, they disconnected me. Anyway, now they can't disconnect me anymore because I'm no longer their customer. Qwest sucks and I hope they rot in hell. Everyone I talk to there is totally rude. One lady even told me I should just disconnect my service and go somewhere else. If you have trouble with Qwest, just report them to the PUC, and then switch to USLink (you can get USLink anywhere you can get Qwest). USLink doesn't offer residential DSL though, but they do business DSL, so if you're willing to pay $80/mo or more, you can get it. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: nick [mailto:npt@visi.com] > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 11:28 AM > To: Linux-MN > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] QWest DSL Provision -- when? > > > qwest is driving me up a wall. they've delayed my dsl due > date a week at a time for a month now. i've had it since > october 98 and i am going NUTS with this 56k crap.. :) > anyway, it was delayed last friday to today, call this > morning, now they say monday, AND.. get this; the 678 was > supposed to arrive probably three weeks ago now originally, > so i had them call ups today finally... qwest didn't tell > them my apt # so it's been floating around ups for god knows > how long. i hate qwest. who was this other phone co i heard > about on here a few weeks ago? anybody use them yet? someone > was saying there were 100% qwest free weren't they? :) > > nick > > ------------------------------------------ > unix. > > nick thompson > npt@visi.com > ------------------------------------------ > > > On Fri, 28 Sep 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > In the past, QWest has always provisioned the DSL up to a > week ahead > > of the actual due date. However, in my case, it seems that > they are > > not doing it early at all. I am nervous that it won't actually be > > live when they said it would (Monday). Of course, I could just be > > getting the anxious jitters. My DSL will be using a Remote > Terminal > > (Lucent Stinger), could that have anything to do with it? > > > > Does anyboy on this list have any experience with QWest > setting up DSL > > on remote terminals? Did they make the due date? How is > the service? > > > > Tom Veldhouse > > veldy@visi.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Sep 28 12:04:34 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] QWest DSL Provision -- when? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Sep 2001, nick wrote: > qwest is driving me up a wall. they've delayed my dsl due date a week at a > time for a month now. i've had it since october 98 and i am going NUTS PUC. Even if they resolve your issue, report them anyway. -Brian From patrickm at eltecinc.com Fri Sep 28 12:05:59 2001 From: patrickm at eltecinc.com (patrickm) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux boot problem References: <20010928101245.B2256@real-time.com> <20010928111528.E2256@real-time.com> Message-ID: <005c01c1483f$d881cf90$3cc8a8c0@eltecinc.com> If you need to recover the data on that disk, we have had some luck swapping in the circuit board from another (identical) drive then doing the recovery with a LinuxCare BBC. Might work. Patrick McCabe ----- Original Message ----- From: Amy Tanner To: Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] linux boot problem > On Fri, Sep 28, 2001 at 10:30:21AM -0500, andy@theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) wrote: > > > Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount rot fs on 03:01 > > > > > > What things can I try to get the box up and running? > > > > Try a different boot floppy? > > A rescue disk? > > tried - doesn't recognize a harddrive. > > > > What tests can I do to determine if the data on the harddrive is still > > > there? > > > > Rip out the HD and throw it in another system. Mount the partitions > > somewhere and take a look at the filesystem. > > neither the bios or a rescue disk recognizes the harddrive. also put the > harddrive in another box and same thing. guess the harddrive is fried. > damn. > > -- > Amy Tanner > amy@real-time.com > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From doughanson at mediaone.net Fri Sep 28 12:08:08 2001 From: doughanson at mediaone.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] QWest DSL Provision -- when? References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF40@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <013801c14840$25bec290$eaaf7a81@doug> >I'm no longer their customer. Qwest sucks and I hope they rot in hell.< Welcome to the club!!! I am almost QWorst free to as soon as cable has the digital phone in St. Paul... also see http://www.tsewq.com/home/default.asp for some ranting relief!!! Douger From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Sep 28 12:22:17 2001 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] QWest DSL Provision -- when? In-Reply-To: <013801c14840$25bec290$eaaf7a81@doug> Message-ID: Hey, On Fri, 28 Sep 2001, Doug Hanson wrote: > >I'm no longer their customer. Qwest sucks and I hope they rot in hell.< > Welcome to the club!!! I am almost QWorst free I'd love to leave Qwest behind, but I like having Real-Time as my ISP. Got to take the bad along with the good... -Yaron -- From dd-b at dd-b.net Fri Sep 28 12:22:49 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 8.1 ISOs Message-ID: I'm trying to get the mandrake 8.1 disks for a friend (by downloading the ISOs) and am not getting anywhere; none of the mirrors give me any bandwidth. I looked on mn-linux first of course (to minimize distance I grabbed things over). These must be just out? Looks like all the mirrors are getting hammered. Anyway, anybody already got these locally that could make them available for me? -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Sep 28 12:28:52 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MAPI Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF42@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Ok, one of the big hurdles with companies switching their desktops over to Linux is the complete lack of a MAPI client to interact with an MS Exchange server (email, scheduling, etc.). Why aren't there any projects to produce a MAPI library which others could integrate into their projects (like Evolution or Aethera)? Also, up until a couple of weeks ago, to play DivX under Linux, you had to get the windows DLL's for the codec, and then the video player would use wine to load the DLL's. Could this be done with MS's MAPI32.DLL? Or, has anyone gotten MS LookOut! to work under wine? Jay From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Sep 28 12:29:46 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] QWest DSL Provision -- when? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF43@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > I'd love to leave Qwest behind, but I like having Real-Time > as my ISP. Got to take the bad along with the good... Call USLink and see if you can get a business DSL line to real-time. It might be possible. From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Sep 28 12:41:04 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 8.1 ISOs Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF44@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Try ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/mandrake-iso/i586 It's almost always fast. Otherwise I have them, but I have to upload them as I don't have any public servers to put them on. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: David Dyer-Bennet [mailto:dd-b@dd-b.net] > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 12:23 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 8.1 ISOs > > > I'm trying to get the mandrake 8.1 disks for a friend (by > downloading the ISOs) and am not getting anywhere; none of > the mirrors give me any bandwidth. I looked on mn-linux > first of course (to minimize distance I grabbed things over). > These must be just out? Looks like all the mirrors are > getting hammered. > > Anyway, anybody already got these locally that could make > them available for me? > -- > David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net > Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ > Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Sep 28 12:44:01 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MAPI In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF42@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Sep 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > Ok, one of the big hurdles with companies switching their desktops over to > Linux is the complete lack of a MAPI client to interact with an MS Exchange > server (email, scheduling, etc.). Why aren't there any projects to produce > a MAPI library which others could integrate into their projects (like > Evolution or Aethera)? I had heard of a project to create an OpenMapi-type interface that used Perl and PHP to access the exchange server through its web interface. I haven't heard squat about it lately though. Exchange's protocol is of course messy and difficult to reverse engineer so with the exception of the web approach there's very little a programmer can do about it. -Brian From veldy at visi.com Fri Sep 28 12:42:45 2001 From: veldy at visi.com (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] QWest DSL Provision -- when? References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF43@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <011201c14844$fb8b7040$3028680a@tgt.com> Well, as far as QWest goes with my new home -- they have been great. So good in fact, they have my DSL going early, on a remote DSLAM. I am very pleased. Tom Veldhouse veldy@visi.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Austad, Jay" To: Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 12:29 PM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] QWest DSL Provision -- when? > > I'd love to leave Qwest behind, but I like having Real-Time > > as my ISP. Got to take the bad along with the good... > > Call USLink and see if you can get a business DSL line to real-time. It > might be possible. > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Sep 28 13:05:15 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDE theme engine Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF45@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> If anyone is looking for a cool theming engine that dynamically renders widgets and translucent menus, check out mosfet.org. A friend showed it to me awhile back, and it's sweet. You need KDE 2.2 though. Jay From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Sep 28 13:12:02 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDE theme engine Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF46@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> If you are using Mandrake 8.1, when you run ./configure, you need to pass -prefix=/usr to it. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Austad, Jay [mailto:austad@marketwatch.com] > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 1:05 PM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: [TCLUG] KDE theme engine > > > If anyone is looking for a cool theming engine that > dynamically renders widgets and translucent menus, check out > mosfet.org. A friend showed it to me awhile back, and it's > sweet. You need KDE 2.2 though. > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From barnabas at knicknack.net Fri Sep 28 13:49:44 2001 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 8.1 ISOs In-Reply-To: ; from dd-b@dd-b.net on Fri, Sep 28, 2001 at 12:22:49PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010928134944.A26950@knicknack.net> I pulled the first two CD's (I think there are three) from ftp.software.umn.edu. Eric On Fri, Sep 28, 2001 at 12:22:49PM -0500, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > I'm trying to get the mandrake 8.1 disks for a friend (by downloading > the ISOs) and am not getting anywhere; none of the mirrors give me any > bandwidth. I looked on mn-linux first of course (to minimize distance > I grabbed things over). These must be just out? Looks like all the > mirrors are getting hammered. > > Anyway, anybody already got these locally that could make them > available for me? > -- > David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net > Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ > Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From chrome at real-time.com Fri Sep 28 14:10:38 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MAPI In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF42@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Fri, Sep 28, 2001 at 12:28:52PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF42@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010928141038.F25213@real-time.com> > Ok, one of the big hurdles with companies switching their desktops over to > Linux is the complete lack of a MAPI client to interact with an MS Exchange > server (email, scheduling, etc.). Why aren't there any projects to produce > a MAPI library which others could integrate into their projects (like > Evolution or Aethera)? from what I've seen, the shops that are dead-set to use Exchange/Outcrook, primarily do it because of the scheduling and contact-management misfeatures. (stuff that I don't think should be part of a mail client). the other wierd thing that people want, is the Exchange version of 'vacation'... usually so they can say they'll be out of the office for couple of hours. :( Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From drake at lemongecko.org Fri Sep 28 17:58:20 2001 From: drake at lemongecko.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] QWest DSL Provision -- when? In-Reply-To: References: <00b101c14837$3134a760$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20010928175818.A15458@lemongecko.org> On Fri, Sep 28, 2001 at 11:27AM -0500, nick wrote: > someone was saying there were 100% qwest free weren't they? :) Cell phone + cable modem = 100% Qwest free. Yay! Time Warner was actually pretty good about installing my cable modem. The tech did his thing, saw my X window running, and basically said, "you're the kind of guy that won't need any help, right?" dhclient worked out of the box...very nice. It's so nice to not deal with that company. Dan -- | 4699 BDCB B1A5 28B6 7F8A F8DF EB6A BC2A B0A1 99BF (GPG) | Dan Drake | http://lemongecko.org/drake/ From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Sep 28 18:59:21 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] QWest DSL Provision -- when? In-Reply-To: <20010928175818.A15458@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Sep 2001, Dan Drake wrote: > > Cell phone + cable modem = 100% Qwest free. Yay! Same setup for me. I do miss my DSL though, I've found my cable modem to be less than tolerable at times. Most of the time it's 100K/sec+ so I guess I can't complain too loudly. Plus, Charter just got a backbone upgrade and my speed has been much better. Cable modem: $30/mo. Cell phone:$30/mo. Not having to ever speak to Qworst again:priceless. -Brian From doughanson at mediaone.net Fri Sep 28 19:08:55 2001 From: doughanson at mediaone.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] QWest DSL Provision -- when? References: Message-ID: <000901c1487a$ee4cb8e0$47641918@mediaone.net> > Cable modem: $30/mo. Cell phone:$30/mo. Not having to ever speak to > Qworst again:priceless. > > -Brian Kudos, I can't agree more... Douger > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From homebrewmike at yahoo.com Fri Sep 28 12:44:39 2001 From: homebrewmike at yahoo.com (Mike White) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shell based Linux games Message-ID: <20010928174439.66769.qmail@web10207.mail.yahoo.com> >Does anyone know where I can find sources or binaries >(preferably sources) of shell based Linux games? Excellent! You can't be a true Unix Geek without playing Rogue. And I'm sure Wally the Wonder Badger would like to have a bit of company ;) My personal favorite is Omega - although the first prototypical First Person Shooter, hack, certainly is on the list. The really cool thing about tty based games, is that it illustrates that it's not just fancy graphics and sound that makes a game. (I'm not knockin' em - but there's a reason people still play chess or Scrabble.) Anyhow, here you go: ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/comp.sources.games/ On a less prostelyzing note, the other comp.sources groups are there, too. comp.sources.unix is a great place to find other useful utilities. Cheers- -Mike (And remember, all good things come from Usenet.) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com From jwanderson at uswest.net Fri Sep 28 19:22:18 2001 From: jwanderson at uswest.net (Jay W. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: * Be Acquisition Message-ID: <200109290022.f8T0MMR18490@sprite.real-time.com> * Be Acquisition Be Incorporated, the creator of the BeIA and BeOS operating systems, announced it has entered into a definitive agreement to sell its intellectual property and technology assets to Palm, Inc. The purchase price is $11 million, to be paid in common stock of Palm, which Be currently intends to liquidate as soon as reasonably practicable following the closing of the transaction. Be's board of directors has approved the transaction, and the winding-up of Be's operating business following the closing. click here http://palmplatform.p04.com/u.d?nERhwjwIxVbzzJZ=190 From markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net Fri Sep 28 19:20:03 2001 From: markbrowne at mn.mediaone.net (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Calculating server heat output... References: <21F2EFCC0249D211B7AE00C0F201008C8BC024@postman.transition.com> Message-ID: <006c01c1487c$7f68be40$1e02a8c0@zippy> For some of the mystery loads the easiest way to get a meaningful number it to just measure it. Some of the local surplus stores have rather nice watt meters cheap from time to time. You just plug in the machine under question and read the number on the needle. Ok, maybe more hands on then you were looking for. Us engineering types love any reason to play with knobs and meters. I really do miss the blinky lights on computers! Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Grobe" To: Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 10:02 AM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Calculating server heat output... I usually just go with the max rating on the power supply for computers, for monitors just multiply the voltage by the max current draw if there is not a wattage rating on the unit. If you are trying to calculate heat output for air conditioning take the total wattage and convert it to Btu/h. 1W=3.4121 Btu/h. -----Original Message----- From: mjn [mailto:mjn@umn.edu] Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 9:42 AM To: Twirling Pickles of Death Subject: [TCLUG] Calculating server heat output... Anyone have any information as far as formulas or resources for calculating heat output from various electronic components and comoputers? We need the W for all of our machines (with some room for milk, ha!) and I am having trouble coming up with anything in the way of specific information for our Dell and Compaq servers or approaches for calculating the values... Thanks... -- ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com http://supermonkeycollider.dyndns.org/ ____________________________ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lk07910 at taiwan.com Sat Sep 29 10:56:59 2001 From: lk07910 at taiwan.com (lk07910@taiwan.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ¥X°ê´ç°²®È¹C¥u­n7000¤¸§t¨Ó¦^¾÷²¼ Time:AM 10:56:59 Message-ID: <200109281930.DAA30642@mail.shmps.kh.edu.tw> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010929/505427d0/attachment.htm From hans at friedchicken.org Sat Sep 29 01:16:30 2001 From: hans at friedchicken.org (Hans P. Christianson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] QWest DSL Provision -- when? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I agree with you guys. Not having to talk to Qwest again IS priceless. I am on cable modem and cell phone. I have not noticed any problems with the cable modem and in fact find it faster than DSL at my location. It was the greatest day in my life so far when I picked up the phone and the line was dead. On a related sidenote: it seems qworst made a bookkeeping error and they actually owe ME 20 dollars! When did that ever happen? --- H. P. Christianson 20 NE Second St. #1005 Minneapolis, MN 55413 (612) 327-6654 hans@friedchicken.org From doughanson at mediaone.net Sat Sep 29 03:04:39 2001 From: doughanson at mediaone.net (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help with Routing... References: Message-ID: <000a01c148bd$63670800$47641918@mediaone.net> I have cable which runs about 120k to 700k! I had ADSL through QWorst for 2 years trouble free. All the IP's I wanted through NAT, it was great. Now with cable, I have to report the MAC address on all my cards :( I've seen postings for a router/proxy/firewall for this setup! Myself, I am not quite trained on how to set up a firewall/NAT/DHCP/WEB server!!! I have Beer/Booze/Pickup Truck Moving services and Steak/Munchies to who ever can help me out!!! I know this is a cheap offer, but I have allot of hardware to give that person too!!! Please email me @ doughanson@mediaone.net if you are interested in doing a charitable favor for the inept!!! Signed, God am I hammered (it's 3:00 in the morning!and too much beer!!!, Please forgive me...) Douger God forgives the weak and the drunk!!! (I think I read that somewhere!!!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian" To: Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] QWest DSL Provision -- when? > On Fri, 28 Sep 2001, Dan Drake wrote: > > > > > Cell phone + cable modem = 100% Qwest free. Yay! > > Same setup for me. I do miss my DSL though, I've found my cable modem to > be less than tolerable at times. Most of the time it's 100K/sec+ so I > guess I can't complain too loudly. Plus, Charter just got a backbone > upgrade and my speed has been much better. > > Cable modem: $30/mo. Cell phone:$30/mo. Not having to ever speak to > Qworst again:priceless. > > -Brian > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at marketwatch.com Sat Sep 29 03:49:56 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help with Routing... Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF47@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> >Signed, > >God am I hammered (it's 3:00 in the morning!and too much beer!!!, Please >forgive me...) >Douger YTou and me both. :) From pauljrech at tcinternet.net Sat Sep 29 06:30:20 2001 From: pauljrech at tcinternet.net (Paul Rech) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISDN - should I get it? Message-ID: <3BB5B0CC.A7FFF2C6@tcinternet.net> While looking for a new ISP, I discovered that cost of ISDN is quite a bit lower. I live far from town. There is no DSL, no cable. This is my cheapest alternative to 56K. A couple of questions if anyone else has an ISDN hookup. 1) What exactly do I have to get from Qworst? Do they string a new line? Can I use my current phone line? Do I have to pay them a monthly fee in addition to the ISP? Talk about a useless web page. Students in web design should have to traverse that turd and find at least 3 bits of useful information. 2) Is it really faster. I don't mind paynig extra if I get 128K, but I don't see any mention of that on the Qworst site. Just 64K. Can only certain locations get 128K and the rest get 64K? The ISP web pages quote 64/128K prices but is it as simple as paying more to get the 128K? Or does my phone line need to checked? 3) Is any old ISDN modem adeqaute for dial-up service? Some are $200, some are $300. What is $300 buying me? There is a $195 USR ISDN modem at mwave.com. Says its the replacement for the 3COM Impact IQ modem, which seemed to be quite populare on google. That would seem to be enough, no? I just want to surf and download. 4) Any other costs I'm overlooking? Thanks, If I can ever make it to a beer meeting ( with 3 small kids, good luck to me on that one ) I owe a couple of rounds. Paul From andy at theasis.com Sat Sep 29 08:35:34 2001 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISDN - should I get it? In-Reply-To: <3BB5B0CC.A7FFF2C6@tcinternet.net> Message-ID: > While looking for a new ISP, I discovered that cost of ISDN is quite a > bit lower. Lower than what? > I live far from town. There is no DSL, no cable. This is my cheapest > alternative to 56K. I have a similar problem. I'm in Ham Lake. Even tho DSL and cable are nearby, there are infrastructure problems. I've been using ISDN for about 4 years. This year I got a second line, and so actually am multihomed. This allows for some fun with the firewall/router. > A couple of questions if anyone else has an ISDN hookup. > > 1) What exactly do I have to get from Qworst? Think of all Internet service as comprised of 2 pieces: the circuit and the IP bandwidth. You must get the ISDN circuit from Qwest (probably no alternatives). That's the part that costs $69/month, plus fees, which comes to about $82. They also charge you $110 for installation. Once you have that, you could connect through any ISP who has ISDN service. The bad news is that this is more expensive for the ISP than DSL, since they pretty much have to dedicate a line to each customer. Qwest is about the cheapest option, but it's worth looking around in your area. They charge about $30/month for unlimited usage at 128k. If you want static IP, they make you pay $14.95/month for a /29. Maybe also a $25 hookup fee. > Do they string a new line? Yes > Can I use my current phone line? No But ISDN is 2 64k channels, so if you get a router with a POTS port, you can plug a regular phone into that, maybe making it possible to get rid of your current phone line. Just about any modern router will allow incoming phone calls to bring down a data channel automatically. > Do I have to pay them a monthly fee in addition to the ISP? See above. > 2) Is it really faster. Yeah, I really do get 128k/s on many things on the qwest link. Other advantages are 24/7 uptime without getting an extra phone line. > I don't mind paynig extra if I get 128K, but > I don't see any mention of that on the > Qworst site. Just 64K. Can only certain locations get 128K and the > rest get 64K? That sounds odd to me. There's no reason to limit it based on the circuit, since it is inherently 2-channel. Many ISPs charge you per channel for bandwidth, though, because it uses more of their resources. I haven't found qwest to do this. > The ISP web pages quote 64/128K prices but is it as simple as paying > more to get the 128K? Now which ISP are you talking about? If qwest is doing that, then it is a different policy than they use elsewhere. > Or does my phone line need to checked? There are distance and line quality considerations. Relevance depends on where you live. > 3) Is any old ISDN modem adeqaute for dial-up service? Get an ISDN Router, an external box, and make sure it has POTS ports. > Some are $200, some are $300. What is $300 buying me? Something brand new and shiny, I guess. > There is a $195 USR ISDN modem at mwave.com. Says its the replacement > for the > 3COM Impact IQ modem, which seemed to be quite populare on google. > That would seem to be enough, no? That would probably be enough, tho I'm not familiar with that model. If you go to Ebay, you can find Lucent (Ascend) Pipeline P75 or P80 Cisco 804 NetGear RT328/348 Zyxel P100 All of which will go for ~$100, perhaps well under, except the Cisco. They are easy to configure. The cisco is more involved, but has the benefit of using IOS, in case you want to talk to real routers. > 4) Any other costs I'm overlooking?a Hardware Circuit (installation & monthly) Bandwith (monthly) Your Time That's pretty much it. Good luck Andy > Paul From sgunhouse at qwest.net Sat Sep 29 08:59:20 2001 From: sgunhouse at qwest.net (Steven Gunhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 8.1 ISO's Message-ID: <2hkbrt0vlc5i0l691c3biuam2s6p715pe2@4ax.com> David, Try this URL: ftp://ftp.uninett.no/pub/Linux/Mandrake/iso/ The University of Oslo has them on a Gigabit link and they have all three of the production ISO's for the boxed edition. I averaged 64k for the 8 hour download for all three CD's and they allow 600 anonymous connects. Message: 5 To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org From: David Dyer-Bennet Date: 28 Sep 2001 12:22:49 -0500 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 8.1 ISOs Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org I'm trying to get the mandrake 8.1 disks for a friend (by downloading the ISOs) and am not getting anywhere; none of the mirrors give me any bandwidth. David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ --__--__-- From fish at slava.net Sat Sep 29 10:08:49 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] {string of non-readable chars} Time:AM 10:56:59 References: <200109281930.DAA30642@mail.shmps.kh.edu.tw> Message-ID: <3BB5E401.6000706@slava.net> OK, this brings up a question I've been wondering anyway. Although that's the first time I've gotten an email quite like that... I do send/receive emails in other languages, and I don't know how to: 1) set it up so special characters like accented vowels show up as the characters intended instead of as "?" 2) make special characters in my own emails in Linux. I know how to in my other operating system which I would prefer not to have to use. I've tried searching for information on this, but I always end up finding Linux information in various languages, rather than information on how to so this. Any info on this? Lorry PS - Was it ever confirmed that the next meeting will be at the U? From josh at greentechnologist.org Sat Sep 29 14:38:17 2001 From: josh at greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shell based Linux games In-Reply-To: <20010928174439.66769.qmail@web10207.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Oh, and don't forget all the text adventure games. It's not for nothing that there are z-interpreter's ported to every OS under the sun. Joshua Jore Minneapolis Ward 3, precinct 10 "The irony of this man being imprisoned in the United States and longing to return to once-Communist Russia so he can regain his right to free speech is simply staggering." - Paul Cantrell, St Paul area software developer On Fri, 28 Sep 2001, Mike White wrote: > >Does anyone know where I can find sources or binaries > > >(preferably sources) of shell based Linux games? > > Excellent! You can't be a true Unix Geek without > playing Rogue. And I'm sure Wally the Wonder Badger > would like to have a bit of company ;) > > My personal favorite is Omega - although the first > prototypical First Person Shooter, hack, certainly is > on the list. > > The really cool thing about tty based games, is that > it illustrates that it's not just fancy graphics and > sound that makes a game. (I'm not knockin' em - but > there's a reason people still play chess or Scrabble.) > > Anyhow, here you go: > ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/comp.sources.games/ > > On a less prostelyzing note, the other comp.sources > groups are there, too. comp.sources.unix is a great > place to find other useful utilities. > > Cheers- > -Mike > > (And remember, all good things come from Usenet.) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. > http://phone.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Sep 29 16:34:34 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] {string of non-readable chars} Time:AM 10:56:59 In-Reply-To: <3BB5E401.6000706@slava.net> References: <200109281930.DAA30642@mail.shmps.kh.edu.tw> <3BB5E401.6000706@slava.net> Message-ID: <20010929163434.7781ff5b.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Lorry wrote: > > OK, this brings up a question I've been wondering anyway. > Although that's the first time I've gotten an email quite like that... I > do send/receive emails in other languages, and I don't know how to: > 1) set it up so special characters like accented vowels show up as the > characters intended instead of as "?" There could be a number of reasons for that. It's fairly likely that someone on the other end is using a mailer that is lying about the format it's sending data in. It's also possible that the font you're using just doesn't include that character and therefore can't display it.. > 2) make special characters in my own emails > in Linux. I know how to in my other operating system which I would > prefer not to have to use. I've tried searching for information on > this, but I always end up finding Linux information in various > languages, rather than information on how to so this. Any info on this? Well, if you have a Windows keyboard, you can set up those extra buttons to actually be somewhat useful. My right Windows button (pops up the Start menu) is set up to act as a `compose' key. If I press it, then a letter, and then another character, I can get certain international characters to come up. Unfortunately, I can't demonstrate it here because Sylpheed is complaining that it can't convert the code set when I try to send the message (dunno why it can't go from iso8859-1 to itself..) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Linux Geeks: Smart. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Single. Sexy. Well, 2 \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) out of 3 ain't bad. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This year I got a second line, and so actually am > multihomed. This allows for some fun with the firewall/router. > > > A couple of questions if anyone else has an ISDN hookup. > > > > 1) What exactly do I have to get from Qworst? > > Think of all Internet service as comprised of 2 pieces: the circuit and > the IP bandwidth. > > You must get the ISDN circuit from Qwest (probably no > alternatives). That's the part that costs $69/month, plus fees, which > comes to about $82. They also charge you $110 for installation. > > Once you have that, you could connect through any ISP who has ISDN > service. The bad news is that this is more expensive for the ISP than DSL, > since they pretty much have to dedicate a line to each customer. > > Qwest is about the cheapest option, but it's worth looking around in your > area. They charge about $30/month for unlimited usage at 128k. If you want > static IP, they make you pay $14.95/month for a /29. Maybe also a $25 > hookup fee. > > > Do they string a new line? > > Yes > > > Can I use my current phone line? > > No > > But ISDN is 2 64k channels, so if you get a router with a POTS port, you > can plug a regular phone into that, maybe making it possible to get rid of > your current phone line. Just about any modern router will allow incoming > phone calls to bring down a data channel automatically. > > > Do I have to pay them a monthly fee in addition to the ISP? > > See above. > > > 2) Is it really faster. > > Yeah, I really do get 128k/s on many things on the qwest link. Other > advantages are 24/7 uptime without getting an extra phone line. > > > I don't mind paynig extra if I get 128K, but > > I don't see any mention of that on the > > Qworst site. Just 64K. Can only certain locations get 128K and the > > rest get 64K? > > That sounds odd to me. There's no reason to limit it based on the circuit, > since it is inherently 2-channel. Many ISPs charge you per channel for > bandwidth, though, because it uses more of their resources. I haven't > found qwest to do this. > > > The ISP web pages quote 64/128K prices but is it as simple as paying > > more to get the 128K? > > Now which ISP are you talking about? If qwest is doing that, then it > is a different policy than they use elsewhere. > > > Or does my phone line need to checked? > > There are distance and line quality considerations. Relevance depends on > where you live. > > > 3) Is any old ISDN modem adeqaute for dial-up service? > > Get an ISDN Router, an external box, and make sure it has POTS ports. > > > Some are $200, some are $300. What is $300 buying me? > > Something brand new and shiny, I guess. > > > There is a $195 USR ISDN modem at mwave.com. Says its the replacement > > for the > > 3COM Impact IQ modem, which seemed to be quite populare on google. > > That would seem to be enough, no? > > That would probably be enough, tho I'm not familiar with that model. > > If you go to Ebay, you can find > Lucent (Ascend) Pipeline P75 or P80 > Cisco 804 > NetGear RT328/348 > Zyxel P100 > > All of which will go for ~$100, perhaps well under, except the Cisco. They > are easy to configure. The cisco is more involved, but has the benefit of > using IOS, in case you want to talk to real routers. > > > 4) Any other costs I'm overlooking?a > > Hardware > Circuit (installation & monthly) > Bandwith (monthly) > Your Time > > That's pretty much it. > Good luck > > Andy > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010929/fd31356c/attachment.htm From dd-b at dd-b.net Sat Sep 29 18:14:00 2001 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 8.1 ISO's In-Reply-To: <2hkbrt0vlc5i0l691c3biuam2s6p715pe2@4ax.com> References: <2hkbrt0vlc5i0l691c3biuam2s6p715pe2@4ax.com> Message-ID: "Steven Gunhouse" writes: > David, > > Try this URL: > ftp://ftp.uninett.no/pub/Linux/Mandrake/iso/ Thanks; I ended up getting each disk from a different place, one from there actually, one from Switzerland, and one from somewhere in the US I think. Burned the cds, gave them to my friend; haven't heard if he's up, but I haven't heard the disks were bad, so I think my part went okay anyway. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ From sos at zjod.net Sat Sep 29 18:21:47 2001 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Port 27374 scans from multiple ip addresses Message-ID: <200109292321.f8TNLlC15362@zjod.net> Folks, I was just scanned on port 27374 by no less than 6 widely different ip addresses in less than 8 seconds. Anyone know what this is about/additional ports I should watch, etc? thanks, -Steve From rudie at sihope.com Sat Sep 29 18:46:12 2001 From: rudie at sihope.com (K Hinze) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Port 27374 scans from multiple ip addresses References: <200109292321.f8TNLlC15362@zjod.net> Message-ID: <000701c14940$fde71900$0602a8c0@workhorse> port 27374 is Sub-Seven trojan someone thinks yer infected are you?? -Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Siegfried" To: "Twin Cities Linux Users Group" Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 6:21 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Port 27374 scans from multiple ip addresses > > Folks, > > I was just scanned on port 27374 by no less than 6 widely different > ip addresses in less than 8 seconds. > > Anyone know what this is about/additional ports I should watch, etc? > > thanks, > > -Steve > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From sos at zjod.net Sat Sep 29 19:03:41 2001 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Port 27374 scans from multiple ip addresses In-Reply-To: <000701c14940$fde71900$0602a8c0@workhorse> from "K Hinze" at Sep 29, 2001 06:46:12 PM Message-ID: <200109300003.f8U03gU16383@zjod.net> Sub-Seven is a windoze trojan, right? Got rid of windoze years ago'idly, -Steve K Hinze wrote: > > port 27374 is Sub-Seven trojan > someone thinks yer infected > are you?? > -Kevin > > > > From: "Steve Siegfried" > > > > Folks, > > > > I was just scanned on port 27374 by no less than 6 widely different > > ip addresses in less than 8 seconds. > > > > Anyone know what this is about/additional ports I should watch, etc? > > > > thanks, > > > > -Steve From jpschewe at mtu.net Sat Sep 29 21:20:17 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NAT redirect question Message-ID: I want to setup squid as a transparent proxy. I've found the appropriate pages on how to do this. The question I have is this. When you setup the redirect you tell your firewall to redirect all requests to any outside machines port 80 to the port that squid is listening on and then squid handles it all. Now what if squid is running on a machine on the inside of my firewall? Won't the packets sent from squid to request the pages get caught up in the same redirect and the packets won't get anywhere? How do I solve this problem? I'd rather not run squid on my firewall, but I can if needed. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Sep 30 03:10:40 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Port 27374 scans from multiple ip addresses Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF48@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> One of those addresses was probably real, and the others were probably all dummies. nmap has a fun little option for doing that. :) -----Original Message----- From: sos@zjod.net [mailto:sos@zjod.net] Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 7:04 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Port 27374 scans from multiple ip addresses Sub-Seven is a windoze trojan, right? Got rid of windoze years ago'idly, -Steve K Hinze wrote: > > port 27374 is Sub-Seven trojan > someone thinks yer infected > are you?? > -Kevin > > > > From: "Steve Siegfried" > > > > Folks, > > > > I was just scanned on port 27374 by no less than 6 widely different > > ip addresses in less than 8 seconds. > > > > Anyone know what this is about/additional ports I should watch, etc? > > > > thanks, > > > > -Steve _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ssinn at qwest.net Sun Sep 30 11:10:59 2001 From: ssinn at qwest.net (Spencer J Sinn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 Message-ID: <20010930111059.A14181@thor> I was in the process of upgrading the CBOS on a Cisco 675, when we suffered a power outage. Now the machine doesn't seem to respond to any type of inbound connection. Has anyone else experienced this? Did you find a way to fix it? Anybody selling a 675 cheap? -- Thanks, Spencer J Sinn From drake at lemongecko.org Sun Sep 30 11:43:39 2001 From: drake at lemongecko.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] web browser loading wrong pages -- fix Message-ID: <20010930114337.F16758@lemongecko.org> Last week I wrote about a problem with Mozilla loading the wrong web pages. Imagine my shock when Galeon did the same thing. And there's a Debian bug report for *Konqueror* doing that, too! The fix? Don't use junkbuster. Junkbuster (the Debian testing version, at any rate) is broken; check out the bug report [1]. It has something to do with persistent HTTP connections -- indeed, I noticed that clearing my browser history was fairly effective at fixing the problem. Hope this helps anyone who's having the same problem. Dan [1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=78067&repeatmerged=yes -- | 4699 BDCB B1A5 28B6 7F8A F8DF EB6A BC2A B0A1 99BF (GPG) | Dan Drake | http://lemongecko.org/drake/ From blayer at qwest.net Sun Sep 30 12:47:04 2001 From: blayer at qwest.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 In-Reply-To: <20010930111059.A14181@thor> References: <20010930111059.A14181@thor> Message-ID: <20010930124704.584b630e.blayer@qwest.net> On or about Sun, 30 Sep 2001 11:10:59 -0500 Spencer J Sinn reportedly said... > I was in the process of upgrading the CBOS on a Cisco 675, when we suffered a power > outage. Now the machine doesn't seem to respond to any type of inbound connection. Has > anyone else experienced this? Did you find a way to fix it? Anybody selling a 675 cheap? Ugly.. I have a 678 here that is also b0rked from a bad upgrade ala Qwest technical support. Can you get any kind of response from it, if you have the serial management cable hooked up? If so, we can probably boot it to the ROM monitor and recover. Else, you are in rough shape. I do have an additional suggestion; open the 675 up (the screws are hidden beneath the rubber stick-on feet) and look to see if the flash memory chip is socketed.. if it is, we can try a little hot-plug black magic. It might be possible to boot it with a flash chip from a good unit (mine, for instance) then pull the flash chip out, plug your corrupt flash chip in and run a CBOS flash upgrade. This *does* work with PC BIOS chips, I see no reason it would not work with a sockect flash memory in a 675. Hoping, -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.- From natecars at real-time.com Sun Sep 30 12:55:42 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NAT redirect question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1001872543.648.3.camel@knight> On Sat, 2001-09-29 at 21:20, Jon Schewe wrote: > I want to setup squid as a transparent proxy. I've found the appropriate > pages on how to do this. The question I have is this. When you setup the > redirect you tell your firewall to redirect all requests to any outside > machines port 80 to the port that squid is listening on and then squid handles > it all. Now what if squid is running on a machine on the inside of my > firewall? Won't the packets sent from squid to request the pages get caught > up in the same redirect and the packets won't get anywhere? How do I solve > this problem? I'd rather not run squid on my firewall, but I can if needed. > Talking iptables or ipchains? Using ipchains, I don't think it's possible to redirect to a non-local machine. Using iptables, you simply set up two rules; one that says traffic from the Squid host is allowed and not rejected, and the second that redirects by default. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010930/81bf48f9/attachment.pgp From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Sep 30 13:02:26 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NAT redirect question Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF4A@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Actually, I think you can do it with ipchains. You need to make sure you enable packet mangling in the kernel. Then read the packet mangling howto. -----Original Message----- From: Nate Carlson [mailto:natecars@real-time.com] Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 12:56 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] NAT redirect question On Sat, 2001-09-29 at 21:20, Jon Schewe wrote: > I want to setup squid as a transparent proxy. I've found the appropriate > pages on how to do this. The question I have is this. When you setup the > redirect you tell your firewall to redirect all requests to any outside > machines port 80 to the port that squid is listening on and then squid handles > it all. Now what if squid is running on a machine on the inside of my > firewall? Won't the packets sent from squid to request the pages get caught > up in the same redirect and the packets won't get anywhere? How do I solve > this problem? I'd rather not run squid on my firewall, but I can if needed. > Talking iptables or ipchains? Using ipchains, I don't think it's possible to redirect to a non-local machine. Using iptables, you simply set up two rules; one that says traffic from the Squid host is allowed and not rejected, and the second that redirects by default. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Sep 30 13:05:55 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Win2k Terminal Services client for Linux (and other POSIX complia nt OS's) Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF4B@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> http://www.rdesktop.org It works pretty sweet, but I couldn't get it to work with a w2k server that had 128-bit encryption enabled on TS. It works with no encryption, and apparently 40-bit(though I haven't tested the 40-bit). A good test server to connect to is scylla.odyssey.securewave.com (don't use the -l option). SecureWave set it up so people can test their software, so it's ok to use it. Jay From Rodney.Ray at childrenshc.org Sun Sep 30 16:40:25 2001 From: Rodney.Ray at childrenshc.org (Rodney Ray) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall / Router Message-ID: Do you think you could help me out for one minute? I have a small problem with smoothwall. My question is this, I cant get out to the net from my network. I can go to the smooth wall box and ping the work friom it but can't from anyother box. All the boxs on the local entwork can see eachother and even see the smooth box, but nothing out. I know very little about gateways and nat ..... etc so I have not clue on how to set up port forwarding ..ect. I have been reading but not sure how to get it to work with dhcp from my isp. smoothwall IP's DHCP and internal 192.168.1.1(green). The etc/host file has only 2 entries, 1 localhost 127.... 2nd 192.168.1.1 should there not be another entry for the DHCP from my ISP? what should it be? It's DHCP so I can't hard code it..... also if I do a route -n it only gives me the internal network IP 192.168.1.1, should there not be another entry for the DHCP? so it knows where to route outgoing request? any help would be good... It would keep the wife off my a.. Rodney Ray Children's Hospital and Clinics Data Warehouse Developer 651-855-2560 rodney.ray@childrenshc.org >>> austad@marketwatch.com 9/25/01 2:24:06 PM >>> Try Smoothwall (http://www.smoothwall.org). It's free, simple, and you can run it on an old 486. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Rodney Ray [mailto:Rodney.Ray@childrenshc.org] > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 1:27 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall / Router > > > I just got a cable modem with ATT and was wondering what > people have for firewall and router. I don't know much about > this area so any help would be good..... Is it ok to run both > functions on the same box or is it better to separate them? > What is the best method of attack? > > Rodney Ray > Children's Hospital and Clinics > Data Warehouse Developer > 651-855-2560 > rodney.ray@childrenshc.org > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Rodney.Ray at childrenshc.org Sun Sep 30 16:40:54 2001 From: Rodney.Ray at childrenshc.org (Rodney Ray) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall / Router Message-ID: Do you think you could help me out for one minute? I have a small problem with smoothwall. My question is this, I cant get out to the net from my network. I can go to the smooth wall box and ping the work friom it but can't from anyother box. All the boxs on the local entwork can see eachother and even see the smooth box, but nothing out. I know very little about gateways and nat ..... etc so I have not clue on how to set up port forwarding ..ect. I have been reading but not sure how to get it to work with dhcp from my isp. smoothwall IP's DHCP and internal 192.168.1.1(green). The etc/host file has only 2 entries, 1 localhost 127.... 2nd 192.168.1.1 should there not be another entry for the DHCP from my ISP? what should it be? It's DHCP so I can't hard code it..... also if I do a route -n it only gives me the internal network IP 192.168.1.1, should there not be another entry for the DHCP? so it knows where to route outgoing request? Rodney Ray Children's Hospital and Clinics Data Warehouse Developer 651-855-2560 rodney.ray@childrenshc.org >>> jack@jacku.com 9/25/01 9:40:37 PM >>> On Tuesday 25 September 2001 15:20, you wrote: > Do you know if smoothwall will work with At&t's network. Someone was > telling me that at&t doesn't play well with linux. Although I don't know > what the issue is.......... do's anyone know???? > FWIW I've had an AT&T cable modem connection for about a year now and I have a simple masquarading firewall/router running (Kernel is 2.2.16 using ipchains) It works like a champ. I've had no problems with the firewall box itself, an old PB "Force" early P1 (75Mhz maybe). The only suggestion I have is if you have a dual-boot box available setup the NIC you intend to use under Windows and let the installer do his thing there. Then pull the card put into your firewall/router box and go. Also I suggest getting you own card and making sure it works in your firewall box before they come. Good Luck! -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Rodney.Ray at childrenshc.org Sun Sep 30 16:41:18 2001 From: Rodney.Ray at childrenshc.org (Rodney Ray) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall / Router Message-ID: Do you think you could help me out for one minute? I have a small problem with smoothwall. My question is this, I cant get out to the net from my network. I can go to the smooth wall box and ping the work friom it but can't from anyother box. All the boxs on the local entwork can see eachother and even see the smooth box, but nothing out. I know very little about gateways and nat ..... etc so I have not clue on how to set up port forwarding ..ect. I have been reading but not sure how to get it to work with dhcp from my isp. smoothwall IP's DHCP and internal 192.168.1.1(green). The etc/host file has only 2 entries, 1 localhost 127.... 2nd 192.168.1.1 should there not be another entry for the DHCP from my ISP? what should it be? It's DHCP so I can't hard code it..... also if I do a route -n it only gives me the internal network IP 192.168.1.1, should there not be another entry for the DHCP? so it knows where to route outgoing request? Rodney Ray Children's Hospital and Clinics Data Warehouse Developer 651-855-2560 rodney.ray@childrenshc.org >>> dieman+tclug@ringworld.org 9/25/01 11:01:21 PM >>> * Bob Tanner [010925 22:59]: > Better to have seperate boxes. I think you get the router from ATT, you won't No, you dont. You get one ip on somehting more like a bridge. Remember to call AT&T if you change your external NIC so they can update their records. TW doesn't reuqire you do this. I would smack a box with Mandrake Security on it inbetween your machine and the net :) Ive seen this a couple times so far and im pretty impressed for 'i dont want to mess with shit, just give me a firewall' setups. Otherwise debian+2.4.x+netfilter is cool. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net "History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." - Justice Thurgood Marshall (1989) _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Rodney.Ray at childrenshc.org Sun Sep 30 16:41:44 2001 From: Rodney.Ray at childrenshc.org (Rodney Ray) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall / Router Message-ID: Do you think you could help me out for one minute? I have a small problem with smoothwall. My question is this, I cant get out to the net from my network. I can go to the smooth wall box and ping the work friom it but can't from anyother box. All the boxs on the local entwork can see eachother and even see the smooth box, but nothing out. I know very little about gateways and nat ..... etc so I have not clue on how to set up port forwarding ..ect. I have been reading but not sure how to get it to work with dhcp from my isp. smoothwall IP's DHCP and internal 192.168.1.1(green). The etc/host file has only 2 entries, 1 localhost 127.... 2nd 192.168.1.1 should there not be another entry for the DHCP from my ISP? what should it be? It's DHCP so I can't hard code it..... also if I do a route -n it only gives me the internal network IP 192.168.1.1, should there not be another entry for the DHCP? so it knows where to route outgoing request? Rodney Ray Children's Hospital and Clinics Data Warehouse Developer 651-855-2560 rodney.ray@childrenshc.org >>> jack@jacku.com 9/26/01 12:02:05 AM >>> On Tuesday 25 September 2001 22:50, you wrote: > Quoting Rodney Ray (Rodney.Ray@childrenshc.org): > > I just got a cable modem with ATT and was wondering what people have for > > firewall and router. I don't know much about this area so any help would > > be good..... Is it ok to run both functions on the same box or is it > > better to separate them? What is the best method of attack? > > Better to have seperate boxes. I think you get the router from ATT, you > won't need that, but you have lots of choices for firewalls. > > Maybe tell us(?) me about what you what to do with your new link and people > can give recommendations on what is best. To echo Scott's comment on the "cable modem" from what I know about them they function primarily as a protocol converter. The are a "tuned" cable receiver to get the data channel and then they convert from that to ethernet. For practical purposes the cable modem is a "router" in that there is an internal address for the cable port that is on a different subnet than the DHCP address you get assigned, or the statics you buy. I had a Samsung "powered by Cisco IOS" but you couldn't get into the box to look at the config from the ethernet side, only the cable side. As far as simple configuration I've used the IPChains module for Webmin and been very happy with it. The module provides three levels of rule setting from a simple low, medium, high, lockout type setting to complete control of the ipchains. The middle ground "template" level gives you enough control without having to learn the IPChains syntax. Rumor is the author is working on an iptables/netfilter version of the module. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Rodney.Ray at childrenshc.org Sun Sep 30 16:41:54 2001 From: Rodney.Ray at childrenshc.org (Rodney Ray) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall / Router Message-ID: Do you think you could help me out for one minute? I have a small problem with smoothwall. My question is this, I cant get out to the net from my network. I can go to the smooth wall box and ping the work friom it but can't from anyother box. All the boxs on the local entwork can see eachother and even see the smooth box, but nothing out. I know very little about gateways and nat ..... etc so I have not clue on how to set up port forwarding ..ect. I have been reading but not sure how to get it to work with dhcp from my isp. smoothwall IP's DHCP and internal 192.168.1.1(green). The etc/host file has only 2 entries, 1 localhost 127.... 2nd 192.168.1.1 should there not be another entry for the DHCP from my ISP? what should it be? It's DHCP so I can't hard code it..... also if I do a route -n it only gives me the internal network IP 192.168.1.1, should there not be another entry for the DHCP? so it knows where to route outgoing request? Rodney Ray Children's Hospital and Clinics Data Warehouse Developer 651-855-2560 rodney.ray@childrenshc.org >>> rudie@sihope.com 9/26/01 1:08:16 PM >>> Yes, smoothwall needs only about 60-80mg, but it is recommended to use at least 120mg. I have a 520mg hdd in my smoothie, no prob! -Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rodney Ray" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 12:52 PM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Firewall / Router > I was looking at and downloaded smoothwall but I can't find anywhere that tells the minium requirements. The only thing I have a concern about is HD. I have a 850 HD, will that be enough? > > >>> austad@marketwatch.com 9/25/01 2:24:06 PM >>> > Try Smoothwall (http://www.smoothwall.org). It's free, simple, and you can > run it on an old 486. > > Jay > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rodney Ray [mailto:Rodney.Ray@childrenshc.org] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 1:27 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall / Router > > > > > > I just got a cable modem with ATT and was wondering what > > people have for firewall and router. I don't know much about > > this area so any help would be good..... Is it ok to run both > > functions on the same box or is it better to separate them? > > What is the best method of attack? > > > > Rodney Ray > > Children's Hospital and Clinics > > Data Warehouse Developer > > 651-855-2560 > > rodney.ray@childrenshc.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Rodney.Ray at childrenshc.org Sun Sep 30 16:53:19 2001 From: Rodney.Ray at childrenshc.org (Rodney Ray) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Oops.... Message-ID: Sorry that was suppost to go to a few people... Not the list.... Again .. Sorry ... Just a little CH (Click Happy this afternoon.) Rodney Ray Children's Hospital and Clinics Data Warehouse Developer 651-855-2560 rodney.ray@childrenshc.org >>> Rodney.Ray@childrenshc.org 9/30/01 4:41:44 PM >>> Do you think you could help me out for one minute? I have a small problem with smoothwall. My question is this, I cant get out to the net from my network. I can go to the smooth wall box and ping the work friom it but can't from anyother box. All the boxs on the local entwork can see eachother and even see the smooth box, but nothing out. I know very little about gateways and nat ..... etc so I have not clue on how to set up port forwarding ..ect. I have been reading but not sure how to get it to work with dhcp from my isp. smoothwall IP's DHCP and internal 192.168.1.1(green). The etc/host file has only 2 entries, 1 localhost 127.... 2nd 192.168.1.1 should there not be another entry for the DHCP from my ISP? what should it be? It's DHCP so I can't hard code it..... also if I do a route -n it only gives me the internal network IP 192.168.1.1, should there not be another entry for the DHCP? so it knows where to route outgoing request? Rodney Ray Children's Hospital and Clinics Data Warehouse Developer 651-855-2560 rodney.ray@childrenshc.org >>> jack@jacku.com 9/26/01 12:02:05 AM >>> On Tuesday 25 September 2001 22:50, you wrote: > Quoting Rodney Ray (Rodney.Ray@childrenshc.org): > > I just got a cable modem with ATT and was wondering what people have for > > firewall and router. I don't know much about this area so any help would > > be good..... Is it ok to run both functions on the same box or is it > > better to separate them? What is the best method of attack? > > Better to have seperate boxes. I think you get the router from ATT, you > won't need that, but you have lots of choices for firewalls. > > Maybe tell us(?) me about what you what to do with your new link and people > can give recommendations on what is best. To echo Scott's comment on the "cable modem" from what I know about them they function primarily as a protocol converter. The are a "tuned" cable receiver to get the data channel and then they convert from that to ethernet. For practical purposes the cable modem is a "router" in that there is an internal address for the cable port that is on a different subnet than the DHCP address you get assigned, or the statics you buy. I had a Samsung "powered by Cisco IOS" but you couldn't get into the box to look at the config from the ethernet side, only the cable side. As far as simple configuration I've used the IPChains module for Webmin and been very happy with it. The module provides three levels of rule setting from a simple low, medium, high, lockout type setting to complete control of the ipchains. The middle ground "template" level gives you enough control without having to learn the IPChains syntax. Rumor is the author is working on an iptables/netfilter version of the module. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ tclug-list mailing list tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at sistina.com Sun Sep 30 17:23:53 2001 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Oops.... In-Reply-To: ; from Rodney.Ray@childrenshc.org on Sun, Sep 30, 2001 at 04:53:19PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010930172353.A6937@llama.dolly-llama.org> On Sun, Sep 30, 2001 at 04:53:19PM -0500, Rodney Ray wrote: >Sorry that was suppost to go to a few people... Not the list.... Again .. Sorry ... Just a little CH (Click Happy this afternoon.) >X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ No wonder. -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. "In the war against terrorism, there are no rear lines. We're all on the front lines" - William Cohen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Nate From thomas at stderr.net Sun Sep 30 18:15:23 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cable modems In-Reply-To: <20010930173228.A23727@candle.mn.mediaone.net>; from nate@techie.com on Sun, Sep 30, 2001 at 05:32:28PM -0500 References: <20010930173228.A23727@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <20011001011523.H30528@io.stderr.net> On Sun, Sep 30, 2001 at 05:32:28PM -0500, Nate Straz wrote: > Today I talked with an AT&T Broadband rep while I switched to digital > phone service. He told me that there is a hidden $10 charge for the > cable modem that AT&T provides. If I buy my own, I can save $10/month > off my bill. According to www.attbroadband.com/(somewhere) you can't do that in MN. Under purchased modem (meaning you purchase it) is "**" In the explations: ** Not Available in MN or FL. The Toshiba PCX1100 modem (That we have here) is $199 at bestbuy, but it doesn't seem like it would be possible. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From nate at techie.com Sun Sep 30 18:39:12 2001 From: nate at techie.com (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cable modems In-Reply-To: <20011001011523.H30528@io.stderr.net>; from thomas@stderr.net on Mon, Oct 01, 2001 at 01:15:23AM +0200 References: <20010930173228.A23727@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <20011001011523.H30528@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20010930183912.B23727@candle.mn.mediaone.net> On Mon, Oct 01, 2001 at 01:15:23AM +0200, Thomas Eibner wrote: > On Sun, Sep 30, 2001 at 05:32:28PM -0500, Nate Straz wrote: > > Today I talked with an AT&T Broadband rep while I switched to digital > > phone service. He told me that there is a hidden $10 charge for the > > cable modem that AT&T provides. If I buy my own, I can save $10/month > > off my bill. > > According to www.attbroadband.com/(somewhere) you can't do that in MN. Huh. If I had talked to someone on the phone, I wouldn't question it. But I was talking to a real person at Home Depot when I heard this. Maybe they just changed it. Maybe he was wrong. I think I'll have to make a call to AT&T to find out. Nate From tcole at visi.com Sun Sep 30 20:13:40 2001 From: tcole at visi.com (tcole) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 675 References: <20010930111059.A14181@thor> Message-ID: <3BB7C344.6F47024@visi.com> Are there any light indications on the front panel? How far does it boot before is stops when your looking at Hyper Terminal? You might be able to upgrade the code yet. Tim Cole Spencer J Sinn wrote: > I was in the process of upgrading the CBOS on a Cisco 675, when we suffered a power > outage. Now the machine doesn't seem to respond to any type of inbound connection. Has > anyone else experienced this? Did you find a way to fix it? Anybody selling a 675 cheap? > -- > Thanks, > > Spencer J Sinn > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From AIRPLANEIT at aol.com Sun Sep 30 20:51:00 2001 From: AIRPLANEIT at aol.com (AIRPLANEIT@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cable Modems/Switch/Routers Message-ID: <16e.1a73bcf.28e92608@aol.com> Nate, If you find out that you CAN in fact purchase a cable modem in Minnesota, please let the list know, as I just yesterday ordered ATT Broadband, and would like to buy a modem if I can. Another question, I am in a roomate situation where two of us will be networked to the cable modem. We plan on buying a switch/router to avoid having to purchase an additional IP address. I will be running Linux, he will be running Windows. Am I going to run into issues trying to connect two operating systems to the same switch? -Nick > On Mon, Oct 01, 2001 at 01:15:23AM +0200, Thomas Eibner wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 30, 2001 at 05:32:28PM -0500, Nate Straz wrote: > > > Today I talked with an AT&T Broadband rep while I switched to digital > > > phone service. He told me that there is a hidden $10 charge for the > > > cable modem that AT&T provides. If I buy my own, I can save $10/month > > > off my bill. > > > > According to www.attbroadband.com/(somewhere) you can't do that in MN. > > Huh. If I had talked to someone on the phone, I wouldn't question it. > But I was talking to a real person at Home Depot when I heard this. > Maybe they just changed it. Maybe he was wrong. I think I'll have to > make a call to AT&T to find out. > > Nate > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Sun Sep 30 21:38:32 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cable modems In-Reply-To: <20010930173228.A23727@candle.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 30 Sep 2001, Nate Straz wrote: > So what are the good cable modems out there? Are there any performance > differences between them? It doesn't seem like the kind of thing you'd > see reviewed in computer rags. Circuit City sells the Surfboard modems for ~$200. After going through 3 RCAs, @Home gave me a Surfboard and my problems disappeared. Couldn't convince them to give me a Cisco. :-( I don't know if all cable modems are compatible with AT&T though. AFAIK, you won't see any performance hits from the modem. Your line will max out likely around 300K/sec, the port is 10 Mbit so even if there was a hit I doubt you'd ever see it. If I were buying, I'd go by (not kidding) the thickness of the plastic. The RCAs use a flimsy cheap plastic, the Surfboard and Cisco use a tougher plastic. To me, it shows less corner-cutting in manufacturing so you're more likely to get a good modem. It also looks to me like cable modems are a cheap loss leader type product (kinda like getting a free phone when you sign up for a year of cell service) so I'd have to be pretty convinced before I dropped $200 on one. I highly doubt they cost anywhere near that to make. -Brian From tanner at real-time.com Sun Sep 30 22:03:47 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] QWest DSL Provision -- when? In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Fri, Sep 28, 2001 at 11:22:21AM -0500 References: <00b101c14837$3134a760$3028680a@tgt.com> Message-ID: <20010930220347.C4979@real-time.com> > > Does anyboy on this list have any experience with QWest setting up DSL on > > remote terminals? Did they make the due date? How is the service? > > We haven't had anyone come through a remote terminal yet, but according to > the info they have told us, it shouldn't any different that the normal > provisioning time. Keyword here is "shouldn't". It's Qwest after all. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From hans at friedchicken.org Sun Sep 30 21:57:25 2001 From: hans at friedchicken.org (Hans P. Christianson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cable modems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: When I had my cable modem installed (toshiba pcx1100u) the genius installing it told me when and if I cancel service it's like a 10 dollar fee if you "don't return the modem". So if you're planning to move to a state where you can buy your own modem, you could just "fortet to return it" here first. Not that I would do this; just heard a rumor. --- H. P. Christianson 20 NE Second St. #1005 Minneapolis, MN 55413 (612) 327-6654 hans@friedchicken.org On Sun, 30 Sep 2001, Brian wrote: > On Sun, 30 Sep 2001, Nate Straz wrote: > > > So what are the good cable modems out there? Are there any performance > > differences between them? It doesn't seem like the kind of thing you'd > > see reviewed in computer rags. > > Circuit City sells the Surfboard modems for ~$200. After going through 3 > RCAs, @Home gave me a Surfboard and my problems disappeared. Couldn't > convince them to give me a Cisco. :-( I don't know if all cable modems > are compatible with AT&T though. > > AFAIK, you won't see any performance hits from the modem. Your line will > max out likely around 300K/sec, the port is 10 Mbit so even if there was a > hit I doubt you'd ever see it. If I were buying, I'd go by (not > kidding) the thickness of the plastic. The RCAs use a flimsy cheap > plastic, the Surfboard and Cisco use a tougher plastic. To me, it shows > less corner-cutting in manufacturing so you're more likely to get a good > modem. It also looks to me like cable modems are a cheap loss leader type > product (kinda like getting a free phone when you sign up for a year of > cell service) so I'd have to be pretty convinced before I dropped $200 on > one. I highly doubt they cost anywhere near that to make. > > -Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From fertch at mninter.net Sun Sep 30 22:06:37 2001 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ISDN - should I get it? In-Reply-To: <3BB5B0CC.A7FFF2C6@tcinternet.net> References: <3BB5B0CC.A7FFF2C6@tcinternet.net> Message-ID: <01093022063701.00244@bleys> On Saturday 29 September 2001 06:30, Paul Rech wrote: > 1) What exactly do I have to get from Qworst? Do they string a new > line? MOnthly service contract, and if your phone lines are okay, then they "might" be able to. However, when I had ISDN I had to get a new wire dropped as both of my copper pairs were taken by phone lines. You need to provide the connection device: ie. modem. Can I use my current phone line? Do I have to pay them a monthly fee in addition to the ISP? See above about the line. They can/should test it for you. $70+ a month line charge is what I was paying w/o the ISP charge. > 2) Is it really faster. I don't mind paynig extra if I get 128K, but > I don't see any mention of that on the > Qworst site. Just 64K. Can only certain locations get 128K and the > rest get 64K? > The ISP web pages quote 64/128K prices but is it as simple as paying > more to get the 128K? > Or does my phone line need to checked? Where I am located, I was able to get a max connection of about 115 instead of 128. I believe that is the tops for qwest. Depending upon how far out you live, you may only get 64k. If it's too far, you may not get it at all. > > 3) Is any old ISDN modem adeqaute for dial-up service? > Some are $200, some are $300. What is $300 buying me? > There is a $195 USR ISDN modem at mwave.com. Says its the replacement > for the > 3COM Impact IQ modem, which seemed to be quite populare on google. > That would seem to be enough, no? > I just want to surf and download. I'd recommend a router first, then an external serial device. Try to avoid an internal ISDN card. > > 4) Any other costs I'm overlooking? Umm, can't say it here. But needless to say it involves Vaseline.... From tanner at real-time.com Sun Sep 30 22:07:45 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] QWest DSL Provision -- when? In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF43@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Fri, Sep 28, 2001 at 12:29:46PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF43@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010930220745.D4979@real-time.com> Quoting Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com): > > I'd love to leave Qwest behind, but I like having Real-Time > > as my ISP. Got to take the bad along with the good... > > Call USLink and see if you can get a business DSL line to real-time. It > might be possible. Does USLink offer a Qwest-like mega-central service? Ie DSLAM? How about a url for this company? I hate being totally pessimistic, but USLink sounds alot like Ovation, which rocked, then they got by, hmmm, can't remember, but now are McLeod and they just suck, like Qwest. What I like about Ovation is they catered to ISPs. Which was nice. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Sun Sep 30 22:08:55 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MAPI In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Fri, Sep 28, 2001 at 12:44:01PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF42@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010930220855.E4979@real-time.com> Quoting Brian (lxy@cloudnet.com): > > Ok, one of the big hurdles with companies switching their desktops over to > > Linux is the complete lack of a MAPI client to interact with an MS Exchange > > server (email, scheduling, etc.). Why aren't there any projects to produce > > a MAPI library which others could integrate into their projects (like > > Evolution or Aethera)? Evolution will get their (eventually), but using open standards like iCAL, just need time. I know that is not the answer you want, but it's a right of light. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Sun Sep 30 22:10:45 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] QWest DSL Provision -- when? In-Reply-To: <20010928175818.A15458@lemongecko.org>; from drake@lemongecko.org on Fri, Sep 28, 2001 at 05:58:20PM -0500 References: <00b101c14837$3134a760$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010928175818.A15458@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: <20010930221045.F4979@real-time.com> Quoting Dan Drake (drake@lemongecko.org): > Time Warner was actually pretty good about installing my cable modem. The > tech did his thing, saw my X window running, and basically said, "you're > the kind of guy that won't need any help, right?" dhclient worked out of > the box...very nice. It's so nice to not deal with that company. I really wish the little ISPs could offer service via cable. With Excite@Home going to AT&T at fire-sales prices, cable modems are going the way of telcos. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sun Sep 30 22:13:20 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cable Modems/Switch/Routers In-Reply-To: <16e.1a73bcf.28e92608@aol.com> References: <16e.1a73bcf.28e92608@aol.com> Message-ID: <20010930221320.D31196@ringworld.org> * AIRPLANEIT@aol.com [010930 20:54]: > Nate, > > If you find out that you CAN in fact purchase a cable modem in Minnesota, please let the list know, as I just yesterday ordered ATT Broadband, and would like to buy a modem if I can. You have to use their approved list of modems. :| I'm not impressed if i cant get one that runs IOS :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net "History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." - Justice Thurgood Marshall (1989) From tanner at real-time.com Sun Sep 30 22:18:11 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Firewall / Router In-Reply-To: ; from Rodney.Ray@childrenshc.org on Sun, Sep 30, 2001 at 04:41:18PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010930221811.G4979@real-time.com> Quoting Rodney Ray (Rodney.Ray@childrenshc.org): > Do you think you could help me out for one minute? I have a small problem with > smoothwall. My question is this, I cant get out to the net from my network. I If this was a linux box I'd say you don't have IP forwarding enabled. or if you are using ipchains you are -j MASQ-ing (nat) your connection. I'm not familiar with smoothwall. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From fish at slava.net Sun Sep 30 22:17:32 2001 From: fish at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cable modems References: Message-ID: <3BB7E04C.7070004@slava.net> I moved from St. Cloud and had to stop my cable modem service. I didn't drop off my cable modem to the company THAT day so they charged me $180. The charge was credited when I returned the modem, fortunately, but that is a far cry from $10! I would definitely check with the particular company before trying a stunt like that. Hans P. Christianson wrote: >When I had my cable modem installed (toshiba pcx1100u) the genius >installing it told me when and if I cancel service it's like a 10 dollar >fee if you "don't return the modem". So if you're planning to move to a >state where you can buy your own modem, you could just "fortet to return >it" here first. Not that I would do this; just heard a rumor. > From tanner at real-time.com Sun Sep 30 22:20:22 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Potential MAPS replacement Message-ID: <20010930222022.H4979@real-time.com> Here looks like a fairly good replacement for MAPS. http://www.spews.org/ New, it's not a porn site (yes, my wife hates the name too) Did the quick onces over on the site. Don't know for sure if it replaces MAPS, but seems to be pretty cool. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Sun Sep 30 22:27:16 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IIS more functional then Apache? Message-ID: <20010930222716.I4979@real-time.com> http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/internet/09/27/msoft.supports.IIS.idg/index.html This article says IIS is more functional then Apache. My first reaction as an avid Linux and Apache was to say the statement is full of crap. -BUT- I can honestly say I have never setup IIS, and only have had the basics in administration with IIS (Amy always did the IIS admin :-P ) So, what functionality does IIS have that Apache does not have? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jpschewe at mtu.net Sun Sep 30 22:35:37 2001 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NAT redirect question In-Reply-To: <1001872543.648.3.camel@knight> References: <1001872543.648.3.camel@knight> Message-ID: Nate Carlson writes: > On Sat, 2001-09-29 at 21:20, Jon Schewe wrote: > > I want to setup squid as a transparent proxy. I've found the appropriate > > pages on how to do this. The question I have is this. When you setup the > > redirect you tell your firewall to redirect all requests to any outside > > machines port 80 to the port that squid is listening on and then squid handles > > it all. Now what if squid is running on a machine on the inside of my > > firewall? Won't the packets sent from squid to request the pages get caught > > up in the same redirect and the packets won't get anywhere? How do I solve > > this problem? I'd rather not run squid on my firewall, but I can if needed. > > > > Talking iptables or ipchains? > > Using ipchains, I don't think it's possible to redirect to a non-local > machine. > > Using iptables, you simply set up two rules; one that says traffic from > the Squid host is allowed and not rejected, and the second that > redirects by default. Using ipf, OpenBSD. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From dieman+tclug at ringworld.org Sun Sep 30 22:37:50 2001 From: dieman+tclug at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] QWest DSL Provision -- when? In-Reply-To: <20010930221045.F4979@real-time.com> References: <00b101c14837$3134a760$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010928175818.A15458@lemongecko.org> <20010930221045.F4979@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010930223750.E31196@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [010930 22:14]: > I really wish the little ISPs could offer service via cable. With Excite@Home > going to AT&T at fire-sales prices, cable modems are going the way of telcos. Excite@Home was majority owned by AT&T anyhow? If it was, there wasn't much anyone else could contribute to the situation that would cause anything else to happen. I'm just hoping it sweetens the deal enough that Cox doesn't buy AT&T. Theres a realy scary empire. At least AT&T/mediaone systems are upgraded. Cox isn't giving a shit about 'digital' because they just want to make the most $$ per analog video user to keep their shareholders happy because they live in regulation/monopoly. I'm decently impressed at what Mediaone/AT&T accomplished so far. I really hope it doesn't get bought out by some backwards thinking company. I'm less worried about AT&T than Qwest or others too. I could see a method for ISP's to provide service, but they wouldn't be allowed to do the hardware and transport side of the deal, just something along the lines vaguely like frame relay for the AT&T side. ISP's would beable to handle from there onward to the internet. Kind of like 'megacentral' where its just a bit of ATM magic. The scary thing is that this might lead to a new league of 'transport serivces' where we dont actually buy voice or internet from our wire provider, but bits and channels, and then buy voice/internet/data/etc from either the same provider or others. Sprint ION originally had that concept (now its a glorafied DSL thing). It would be nice though, especially if you could arrange arbatrary data pipes between points (for money, of course) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net "History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." - Justice Thurgood Marshall (1989) From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Sun Sep 30 22:38:16 2001 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Potential MAPS replacement In-Reply-To: <20010930222022.H4979@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Sun, Sep 30, 2001 at 10:20:22PM -0500 References: <20010930222022.H4979@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010930223816.A12001@trammell.dyndns.org> On Sun, Sep 30, 2001 at 10:20:22PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Here looks like a fairly good replacement for MAPS. > > http://www.spews.org/ > > New, it's not a porn site (yes, my wife hates the name too) > > Did the quick onces over on the site. Don't know for sure if it replaces MAPS, > but seems to be pretty cool. Yep. Has generated mucho discussion on news.admin.net-abuse.email, and /. too. -- johntrammell@yahoo.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20011001054341.B6979@io.stderr.net> References: <20010930222716.I4979@real-time.com> <20011001054341.B6979@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20010930230233.F31196@ringworld.org> * Thomas Eibner [010930 22:46]: > ASP out of the box (Active Security Problems anyone?) apt-get install apache php4 :) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net "History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." - Justice Thurgood Marshall (1989) From jack at jacku.com Sun Sep 30 23:09:17 2001 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] QWest DSL Provision -- when? In-Reply-To: <20010930220745.D4979@real-time.com> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF43@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> <20010930220745.D4979@real-time.com> Message-ID: <01093023091700.01294@geezer> On Sunday 30 September 2001 22:07, you wrote: > > How about a url for this company? http://www.uslink.net/ > > I hate being totally pessimistic, but USLink sounds alot like Ovation, > which rocked, then they got by, hmmm, can't remember, but now are McLeod > and they just suck, like Qwest. > > What I like about Ovation is they catered to ISPs. Which was nice. I'm not sure what there future is. I just know that I first heard of USLink while I was in Duluth. Haven't used them don't know what the service is like. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From bradyh at bitstream.net Sun Sep 30 23:12:49 2001 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] readlink? (Musicmatch Jukebox) In-Reply-To: <20011001011523.H30528@io.stderr.net> References: <20010930173228.A23727@candle.mn.mediaone.net> <20011001011523.H30528@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <1001909570.9430.686.camel@localhost.localdomain> I found this program called Musicmatch jukebox for Linux (www.musicmatch.com). I was intrigued (mostly by it's ability to record to MP3 from line-in) so I decided to give it a try. However when I installed it and tried to run it I got the following error (over and over till I killed it actually) /usr/local/bin/mmjb: readlink: command not found I found the readlink program in the "tetex" package but I don't particularly want to install this 10MB package I don't need for a 2k program. Any ideas? Brady PS: I contacted Musicmatch tech support and they said it might be 72 workweek hours before I got an answer. From thomas at stderr.net Sun Sep 30 23:39:36 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IIS more functional then Apache? In-Reply-To: <20010930230233.F31196@ringworld.org>; from dieman+tclug@ringworld.org on Sun, Sep 30, 2001 at 11:02:33PM -0500 References: <20010930222716.I4979@real-time.com> <20011001054341.B6979@io.stderr.net> <20010930230233.F31196@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20011001063936.C6979@io.stderr.net> On Sun, Sep 30, 2001 at 11:02:33PM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: > * Thomas Eibner [010930 22:46]: > > ASP out of the box (Active Security Problems anyone?) > > apt-get install apache php4 > > :) Dice.com: /ASP/: 1426 jobs matching /PHP/: 77 jobs matching Sad. But luckilly: /perl/: 2494 But unfortunately none of those are in Minneapolis :( I guess a lot of companies just heard that they absolutely "need" their website to be written with ASP. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Sep 30 23:47:22 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cable Modems/Switch/Routers Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF51@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> >You have to use their approved list of modems. :| I'm not impressed if >i cant get one that runs IOS :) Cisco makes a cable modem WIC card. I wonder if you could stick one in a router and just give ATT the MAC address. Maybe it would just work?? From austad at marketwatch.com Sun Sep 30 23:48:32 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:28:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IIS more functional then Apache? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF52@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> >So, what functionality does IIS have that Apache does not have? It will automatically shut down. :)