I can only speak from a limited software expertise. But having learned programming using punch cards and having studied under the inventor of digital electronics (Otto Schmitt), computing evolution is rather clear. I'm encouraging some very talented people of this group to, on occasion, step back from the details and see the big picture. Linux is the best PC OS ever. But I have not seen it offered with the level of clarity that most people would be ready to jump into. Despite rapid improvements, even installing and booting can be complex. Configuring LILO or loadlin or using the MBR or partitioning or partitionless or adding kernel parameters or writing scripts (etc.) require advanced skills. Same with compiling an optimal kernel. Such complexities inhibit wider acceptance of Linux. Numerical analysis, medical imaging, process controls, mechanical design, point of sale, auto junkyards, etc., don't care which version of glibc you have. A huge market is ready for a simpler Linux "seed." Usually, details and refinements are realized after the overall outline is appreciated. Offering the public a very simple Linux starting point will quickly launch many new Linux enthusiasts into the depths of its capabilities. Clearly, this group has the knowledgebase to offer a Linux with training wheels. I'm excited about the Linux contributions of IBM, Sun, and Borland. IBM has an active developers' forum. Sun's StarOffice 5.2 is comprehensive with improvements promised in 6.0. Borland's Kylix is the best API I could hope for. Certainly, other contributors should be mentioned. The ingredients are there to ultimately build a premier system. But integrating java, staroffice, and kylix on the same linux platform is not obvious; and suppressing java error messages still eludes me. The directory structure is quite different between SuSE and Red Hat. Configuration tools vary. Process and memory management is not for beginners. Even creating links ("shortcuts"), mounting drives, editing fstab, setting up permissions, setting up samba, etc., are tough for all but a few. These difficulties cloud the overriding elegance of the linux file system and layered structure. Maybe it's the farmer in me, but planting a seedling is always better than trying to move a whole tree. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 9/2/01, 10:02:13 PM, Jason Hataye <hata0006 at tc.umn.edu> wrote regarding [TCLUG] Re: Developing an integrated Linux.sdm: > On putting together an "integrated Linux," what kinds of things did you > have in mind, specifically, Rick? Are you thinking that TCLUG should > put together a package linux with various applications to offer at > installfests? > Jason > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list