<soapbox> I remember when Ransom got up at Linux Expo last year and pitched what is now called Volution. Most of the geeks in the crowd where impressed. -BUT- when he dodged the question on license and price. I got the feeling he was just another parasite to the open source community. As volution matured, and pricing came out, the per-seat license made it cost prohibitive. Real Time looked for another solution. Getting a gold cd from them for a trial, I noticed all these lovely open source components as part of volution (openldap, openssl, etc). Of course, the sales-rep said we where paying for the non-GPL aspects and media. Love said you can't be a viable business doing all open source. Well, looks like you don't do much better when you are -not- an open source company. Should have kept it open source and at least you'd have the community support for you when times are hard. But all Love did was alienate the community (like me) and push people towards RedHat and Debian. </soapbox> -- Bob Tanner <tanner at real-time.com> | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9