On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 11:25:58AM -0500, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 11:01:18PM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > >On Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 10:04:42PM -0500, Jared Burns wrote: > >I would love a decent classbrowser and an embedded vim. Just don't do it in > >java, ok? > > > I used to complain about java too. But then I was forced to install some > java stuff that used java2. I realized that I needed to be more familiar > with the care and feeding of java setups so I decided to install the jdk > and get some apps. > > Since undertaking this trip into curiosity, i've come to the conclusion > that I'd rather use a java app than some gnome or kde based apps. I know > that it's not comparing apples to apples. But lets take for instance > accounting software. I wanted a nice GUI based checkbook register with some > added features. I looked to GNUCash. As I am installing GNUCash I noticed > it depends on all sorts of shit like guppi, gtkhtml, libxml2, gnumeric and > a whole host of other stuff. While I understand the benefits of the DLL > hell that the gnome and kde projects have plunged into from a programmers > point of view, for the guy who just wants one or two gnome / kde based apps > it just sucks. > > Then I found moneydance. Installing it was as simple as utarring it to > /usr/local and running the damn thing. If you chose not to instlal the JDK > itself you could download a larger tarball that has it all and you're done. > > Sure it takes a while to startup, and each new app requires another JVM but > hey, RAM is cheap these days. And the apps work great. > > So all in all I've decided java's not so bad. In fact, i've even taken to > trying to learn how to write a little java and I've found I kinda like it. > It's a good vehicle for a non-programmer like me to try and learn a little > bit about programming. So to resume what you are saying is that it's easier do download a big file than a lot of small files. (JDK/JRE vs Gnome libraries). ??? florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20010925/838d700c/attachment.pgp