From nassarsa at redconcepts.net Mon Apr 1 03:19:00 2002 From: nassarsa at redconcepts.net (Samir M. Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Computers under 500 USD Message-ID: <1017653623.1872.70.camel@yafa> General Nano Systems is selling decent PC's for under 500 frog skins. If you ditch the keyboard, mouse and speakers you can get an Athlong XP 1600+ for under 500 clams. http://www.generalnanosystems.com -- Samir M. Nassar - nassarsa@redconcepts.net RedConcepts.NET - Open Source, Public Service 'Open Source, Open Systems, Open Borders, Open Minds' Fingerprint = 4D04 E209 3FE5 DA25 A873 DD79 BD77 4511 BB2B AB9F From list at slushpupie.com Mon Apr 1 07:47:00 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] April Fools [OT] Message-ID: <20020401134835.0430B60339@friday.localdomain.fake> I noticed that Google has thier standard April First prank: (http://www.google.com/technology/pigeonrank.html) And Freshmeat changed their background colors... anyone else notice some good April Fools jokes this year? Jay From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Mon Apr 1 08:08:01 2002 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (Jim Kaufman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] April Fools [OT] In-Reply-To: <20020401134835.0430B60339@friday.localdomain.fake>; from list@slushpupie.com on Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 07:48:34AM -0600 References: <20020401134835.0430B60339@friday.localdomain.fake> Message-ID: <20020401080745.A9995@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> On Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 07:48:34AM -0600, Jay Kline wrote: > I noticed that Google has thier standard April First prank: > (http://www.google.com/technology/pigeonrank.html) > > And Freshmeat changed their background colors... anyone else notice some > good April Fools jokes this year? > > Jay trolltech has come out with a version of qt that works in console mode. slashdot has an reference to it. -- Jim Kaufman mailto:jmk@kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Linux Consultant, CCNA cell: 612-481-9778 public key 0x6D802619 fax: 952-937-9832 From list at slushpupie.com Mon Apr 1 09:13:01 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] April Fools [OT] In-Reply-To: <20020401080745.A9995@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> References: <20020401134835.0430B60339@friday.localdomain.fake> <20020401080745.A9995@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Message-ID: <20020401151428.2B42460339@friday.localdomain.fake> On Monday 01 April 2002 08:07 am, you wrote: > > trolltech has come out with a version of qt that works in console mode. > slashdot has an reference to it. Im not sure that is a joke- it looks kinda cool even. Jay From jspinti at dartdist.com Mon Apr 1 10:03:00 2002 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] April Fools [OT] In-Reply-To: <20020401134835.0430B60339@friday.localdomain.fake> References: <20020401134835.0430B60339@friday.localdomain.fake> Message-ID: <1017677367.1897.3.camel@Dart-71_linux> On Mon, 2002-04-01 at 07:48, Jay Kline wrote: > I noticed that Google has thier standard April First prank: > (http://www.google.com/technology/pigeonrank.html) > > And Freshmeat changed their background colors... anyone else notice some > good April Fools jokes this year? > > Jay I liked the NT is now a BSD core on www.newsforge.com. -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 398 952-368-3255 fax From jspinti at dartdist.com Mon Apr 1 10:09:00 2002 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BSD running MS anti-unix campaign Message-ID: <1017677718.1898.6.camel@Dart-71_linux> Check out this URL: http://www.wininformant.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=24652 Not an april fool's joke. -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 398 952-368-3255 fax From nate at refried.org Mon Apr 1 10:14:01 2002 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Speaker for next weeks TCLUG meeting In-Reply-To: <20020330183505.GA17596@fandre.com> References: <20020330183505.GA17596@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20020401161748.GA27017@refried.org> On Sat, Mar 30, 2002 at 12:35:05PM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: > I have been unable to find someone to speak at the next TCLUG meeting. > If you have something you would like to present, please let me know. There was a comment at the last meeting that we might do a beginner's overview of the vi editor. We'd answer questions and show off cool features. If anyone from the emacs camp would like to do the same we could have a very educational compare and contrast workshop. Nate From nassarsa at redconcepts.net Mon Apr 1 10:19:00 2002 From: nassarsa at redconcepts.net (Samir M. Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Speaker for next weeks TCLUG meeting In-Reply-To: <20020401161748.GA27017@refried.org> References: <20020330183505.GA17596@fandre.com> <20020401161748.GA27017@refried.org> Message-ID: <1017678805.2698.50.camel@yafa> do a beginner's overview of the vi editor. References: <20020330183505.GA17596@fandre.com> <20020401161748.GA27017@refried.org> Message-ID: <20020401162013.GA2236@iucha.net> On Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 10:17:48AM -0600, nate@refried.org wrote: > On Sat, Mar 30, 2002 at 12:35:05PM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: > > I have been unable to find someone to speak at the next TCLUG meeting. > > If you have something you would like to present, please let me know. > > There was a comment at the last meeting that we might do a beginner's > overview of the vi editor. We'd answer questions and show off cool > features. If anyone from the emacs camp would like to do the same we > could have a very educational compare and contrast workshop. I wouldn't trust the emacs guys to really paint vim in it's colors. ... and I certainly would not advise beginners to get exposure to vi/emacs "discussions" without asbestos underwear. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We'd answer questions and show off cool > > features. If anyone from the emacs camp would like to do the same we > > could have a very educational compare and contrast workshop. > > I wouldn't trust the emacs guys to really paint vim in it's colors. > > ... and I certainly would not advise beginners to get exposure to > vi/emacs "discussions" without asbestos underwear. All that's needed is a good moderator and some simple ground rules. Perhaps someone with a loud voice assisted by Jima and his lart. 1. Stay civil. No shouting, no fights, no taunting. 2. Only positive bias. You can boast about your favorite editor all you want, but don't put down the other one. We don't care why you hate the other editor, and the beginners don't either. 3. Show what you're doing, slowly. This session is for the beginners, make sure they can keep up with the discussion. Any other rules I'm missing? Nate From joelr at ellegon.com Mon Apr 1 10:52:01 2002 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Speaker for next weeks TCLUG meeting In-Reply-To: <20020401161748.GA27017@refried.org> References: <20020330183505.GA17596@fandre.com> <20020401161748.GA27017@refried.org> Message-ID: <200204011051.35566@ellegon.com> On Monday 01 April 2002 10:17 am, you wrote: > On Sat, Mar 30, 2002 at 12:35:05PM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: > > I have been unable to find someone to speak at the next TCLUG meeting. > > If you have something you would like to present, please let me know. > > There was a comment at the last meeting that we might do a beginner's > overview of the vi editor. We'd answer questions and show off cool > features. If anyone from the emacs camp would like to do the same we > could have a very educational compare and contrast workshop. > Way cool; I hadn't known that anybody was still using vi, what with emacs being available. :) ------------------------------------- There's a widow in sleepy Chester Who weeps for her only son; There's a grave on the Pabeng River, A grave that the Burmans shun, And there's Subadar Prag Tewarri Who tells how the work was done. ------------------------------------- From dante at plethora.net Mon Apr 1 11:00:01 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Speaker for next weeks TCLUG meeting In-Reply-To: <200204011051.35566@ellegon.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, Joel Rosenberg wrote: > On Monday 01 April 2002 10:17 am, you wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 30, 2002 at 12:35:05PM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > I have been unable to find someone to speak at the next TCLUG meeting. > > > If you have something you would like to present, please let me know. > > > > There was a comment at the last meeting that we might do a beginner's > > overview of the vi editor. We'd answer questions and show off cool > > features. If anyone from the emacs camp would like to do the same we > > could have a very educational compare and contrast workshop. > > > > > Way cool; I hadn't known that anybody was still using vi, what with emacs > being available. :) > What with the port of vi to emacs the emacs users finally have access to a real editor ;) -- Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net From nate at refried.org Mon Apr 1 11:06:02 2002 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Speaker for next weeks TCLUG meeting In-Reply-To: References: <200204011051.35566@ellegon.com> Message-ID: <20020401171005.GC27017@refried.org> On Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 10:59:53AM -0600, Daniel Taylor wrote: > On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, Joel Rosenberg wrote: > > Way cool; I hadn't known that anybody was still using vi, what with emacs > > being available. :) > > > What with the port of vi to emacs the emacs users finally > have access to a real editor ;) Just to note, this is the kind of banter that will not be allowed during the meeting. Nate From jspinti at dartdist.com Mon Apr 1 11:08:01 2002 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Speaker for next weeks TCLUG meeting In-Reply-To: <200204011051.35566@ellegon.com> References: <20020330183505.GA17596@fandre.com> <20020401161748.GA27017@refried.org> <200204011051.35566@ellegon.com> Message-ID: <1017681287.1897.22.camel@Dart-71_linux> On Mon, 2002-04-01 at 10:52, Joel Rosenberg wrote: > > Way cool; I hadn't known that anybody was still using vi, what with emacs > being available. :) Hey, ever since vigor became available, I can't use anything else. That paperclip is so helpful :) http://www.red-bean.com/~joelh/vigor/ -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 398 952-368-3255 fax From florin at iucha.net Mon Apr 1 12:00:02 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Speaker for next weeks TCLUG meeting In-Reply-To: <20020401171005.GC27017@refried.org> References: <200204011051.35566@ellegon.com> <20020401171005.GC27017@refried.org> Message-ID: <20020401180036.GB2236@iucha.net> On Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 11:10:05AM -0600, nate@refried.org wrote: > On Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 10:59:53AM -0600, Daniel Taylor wrote: > > On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, Joel Rosenberg wrote: > > > Way cool; I hadn't known that anybody was still using vi, what with emacs > > > being available. :) > > > > > What with the port of vi to emacs the emacs users finally > > have access to a real editor ;) > > Just to note, this is the kind of banter that will not be allowed during > the meeting. We know, that's why we are doing it here, on the list. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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They heard the user's requests and commingled an integrated editor! florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020401/27c5f2cd/attachment.pgp From cgahlon at citilink.com Mon Apr 1 12:22:01 2002 From: cgahlon at citilink.com (Christopher Gahlon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BSD running MS anti-unix campaign In-Reply-To: <1017677718.1898.6.camel@Dart-71_linux> References: <1017677718.1898.6.camel@Dart-71_linux> Message-ID: <1017685306.1719.8.camel@host250> The proof is here! LOL! http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?mode_u=off&mode_w=on&site=www.wehavethewayout.com&submit=Examine Chris On Mon, 2002-04-01 at 10:15, James Spinti wrote: > Check out this URL: > http://www.wininformant.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=24652 > > Not an april fool's joke. > -- > Thanks, > > James Spinti > jspinti at dartdist dot com > 952-368-3278 ext 398 > 952-368-3255 fax > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jima at beer.tclug.org Mon Apr 1 12:59:01 2002 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Speaker for next weeks TCLUG meeting In-Reply-To: <20020401164549.GB27017@refried.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Apr 2002 nate@refried.org wrote: > All that's needed is a good moderator and some simple ground rules. > Perhaps someone with a loud voice assisted by Jima and his lart. LLOL! I hadn't realized I was notorious yet. Aside from that, Nate, what's with the singular "LART?" Since when do I only have one? Jima From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Apr 1 13:15:02 2002 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Speaker for next weeks TCLUG meeting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey, On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, Jima wrote: > Aside from that, Nate, what's with the singular "LART?" Since when do I > only have one? LART _is_ singular. Luser Attitude Readjustment Tool. -Yaron -- From admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us Mon Apr 1 14:47:01 2002 From: admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] drive copy continued Message-ID: <3034.204.220.62.132.1017693900.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Last week I posted a question asking what to use to copy an exact image of one drive to another. I received some responses, and settled on Norton Ghost because I was familiar with it on the Windows side. My scenario: I have an IPCop box customized to fit our needs. I now want to make copies of it for some of our schools. The source drive is 10 Gigs, and the target is 3.5 G The data is only about 100 MB. I did a disk to disk clone, and all 4 partitions showed up. It seemed to run successfully, although I never did see it reference partition 1 & 2 during the copy, but 3 & 4 showed up quite a bit. I mounted it in the PC, but I get a controller error, or non system disk. A couple people on the list commented they used ghost and had to run Lilo to get it to boot the first time. I am not sure how to go about this, or if this is even what is causing my problem. Any advise would be appreciated. -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 From poptix at techmonkeys.org Mon Apr 1 14:56:02 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Want a TNT1 In-Reply-To: <3CA7DD8D.9070808@haxxed.mine.nu>; from seg@haxxed.mine.nu on Sun, Mar 31, 2002 at 10:09:49PM -0600 References: <3CA7DD8D.9070808@haxxed.mine.nu> Message-ID: <20020401145746.C9030@techmonkeys.org> Microcenter has them for about that price, try there. On Sun, Mar 31, 2002 at 10:09:49PM -0600, Callum Lerwick wrote: > Hey I'm looking for an old Nvidia TNT1 PCI card, to put in my > girlfriends machine so she can do a little gaming until we upgrade the > motherboard and can put a decent AGP card in... Anyone got an extra one > they're willing to sell for the $20 or so they're worth these days? ;P > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Apr 1 15:20:02 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] authenticating samba against win2k domain, or LDAP Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D76521@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Ok, I cannot make Samba authenticate against a win2k domain no matter what I do. When I try to join the domain using smbpasswd -j DOMAIN, I just get an error that says "failed session request, Unable to join domain DOMAIN". I assume I have to join the domain before it will authenticate against the DC's right? Because right now when trying to connect to a share, I get a failed user/pass error. Can I make it use LDAP to authenticate against our LDAP servers? Arrrrrrgh! Jay From natecars at real-time.com Mon Apr 1 15:24:01 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] authenticating samba against win2k domain, or LDAP In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D76521@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, Austad, Jay wrote: > Ok, I cannot make Samba authenticate against a win2k domain no matter > what I do. When I try to join the domain using smbpasswd -j DOMAIN, I > just get an error that says "failed session request, Unable to join > domain DOMAIN". I assume I have to join the domain before it will > authenticate against the DC's right? Because right now when trying to > connect to a share, I get a failed user/pass error. Yeah, you probably do have to join the domain. Did you do smbpasswd -U to make sure it was trying to authenticate as the remote user? If you do smbclient '\\server\share' -U , it may work, too. > Can I make it use LDAP to authenticate against our LDAP servers? Haven't tried that one yet.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jima at beer.tclug.org Mon Apr 1 15:28:01 2002 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:12 2005 Subject: [OT] Pluralizing acronyms (was: Re: [TCLUG] Speaker for next weeks TCLUG meeting) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, Yaron wrote: > LART _is_ singular. Luser Attitude Readjustment Tool. But, like many acronyms, the common way of pluralizing it is adding an "s" (usually lowercase) to the end. In this case, "LARTs" would be plural for "LART." If you expanded the acronym, the "s" ends up in the correct place. This becomes a grey area when pluralizing things like "BOFH," or "MIB," where the word that would be pluralized isn't necessarily at the end (or would be pluralized with a "s"). Jima From DACross at nwc.edu Mon Apr 1 15:30:02 2002 From: DACross at nwc.edu (DACross@nwc.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Speaker for next weeks TCLUG meeting Message-ID: |---------+-----------------------------> | | Joel Rosenberg | | | | | | Sent by: | | | tclug-list-admin@m| | | n-linux.org | | | | | | | | | 04/01/02 10:52 AM | | | Please respond to | | | tclug-list | | | | |---------+-----------------------------> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org | | cc: | | Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Speaker for next weeks TCLUG meeting | >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| On Monday 01 April 2002 10:17 am, you wrote: >Way cool; I hadn't known that anybody was still using vi, what with emacs >being available. :) Is there anything outside of vi? What's emacs? ;-) ++++++++++++++++++++++ David Cross, KC0KII Northwestern College Telephone: (651) 628-3438 Fax: (651) 628-3363 "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose." -- Jim Elliot, missionary to the Waorani From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Apr 1 15:31:01 2002 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:12 2005 Subject: [OT] Pluralizing acronyms (was: Re: [TCLUG] Speaker for next weeks TCLUG meeting) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey, On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, Jima wrote: > > LART _is_ singular. Luser Attitude Readjustment Tool. > But, like many acronyms, the common way of pluralizing it is adding an > "s" (usually lowercase) to the end. I agree, but you asked what the singular is! (; -Yaron -- From jima at beer.tclug.org Mon Apr 1 15:40:02 2002 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:12 2005 Subject: [OT] Pluralizing acronyms (was: Re: [TCLUG] Speaker for next weeks TCLUG meeting) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, Yaron wrote: > On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, Jima wrote: > > > LART _is_ singular. Luser Attitude Readjustment Tool. > > But, like many acronyms, the common way of pluralizing it is adding an > > "s" (usually lowercase) to the end. > > I agree, but you asked what the singular is! (; You may want to read a little more closely. To quote myself: > Aside from that, Nate, what's with the singular "LART?" Since when do I > only have one? "What's with," Yaron, not "what's." Jima From list at slushpupie.com Mon Apr 1 15:43:01 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Speaker for next weeks TCLUG meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020401214453.6896C60339@friday.localdomain.fake> I am not normally one to complain about things like this... but this email really needs to be trimed down, there is way too much waste on it. Jay From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Apr 1 15:46:00 2002 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:12 2005 Subject: [OT] Pluralizing acronyms (was: Re: [TCLUG] Speaker for next weeks TCLUG meeting) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey, On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, Jima wrote: > "What's with," Yaron, not "what's." Wow. If that was the only part I misread, I'd be happy... (; -Yaron -- From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Apr 1 15:58:00 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] authenticating samba against win2k domain, or LDAP Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D76525@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > Yeah, you probably do have to join the domain. Did you do smbpasswd -U > to make sure it was trying to authenticate as the > remote user? Tried it. smbpasswd -j DOMAIN -r DC1 -U DOMAIN/Administrator Gives me the error. So I gave it the finger. From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Mon Apr 1 16:11:01 2002 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] authenticating samba against win2k domain, or LDAP Message-ID: The docs I have say: smbpasswd -j DOMAIN -r DC1 -UAdministrator% would be appropriate. >>> austad@marketwatch.com 04/01/02 03:57PM >>> > Yeah, you probably do have to join the domain. Did you do smbpasswd -U > to make sure it was trying to authenticate as the > remote user? Tried it. smbpasswd -j DOMAIN -r DC1 -U DOMAIN/Administrator Gives me the error. So I gave it the finger. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel at joelschneider.net Mon Apr 1 16:17:00 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] drive copy continued In-Reply-To: <3034.204.220.62.132.1017693900.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us>; from admin@support.lctn.k12.mn.us on Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 02:45:00PM -0600 References: <3034.204.220.62.132.1017693900.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <20020401161724.F25062@joelschneider.net> On Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 02:45:00PM -0600, Raymond Norton wrote: > I mounted it in the PC, but I get a controller error, or non system disk. A > couple people on the list commented they used ghost and had to run Lilo to > get it to boot the first time. > > I am not sure how to go about this, or if this is even what is causing my > problem. To run LILO, you'll need to open a shell as the root user; for this, you might first need to boot from a "rescue" diskette or CDROM. From there, you'll want to mount the root partition (and maybe also the boot partition, depending on your setup), chroot to the root directory, and run lilo. The series of commands you would execute might look something like the following. # mount /dev/hda1 /mnt # chroot /mnt # lilo # reboot or, alternately: # mount /dev/hda1 /mnt # lilo -r /mnt # reboot -- Joel Schneider Yan Xin Qigong in Minneapolis joel@joelschneider.net http://yanxinqigong.minneapolis.mn.us/ From seg at haxxed.mine.nu Mon Apr 1 16:25:01 2002 From: seg at haxxed.mine.nu (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] drivecopy & partitioning tools References: Message-ID: <3CA8DEBE.2010503@haxxed.mine.nu> > Last I checked (during the last InstallFest), parted can't resize NTFS > partitions. In the end I bought some partition resizer (I forget the > name, but it wasn't PM) online, and let the person I was helping use it > for the duration of the install. You didn't say NTFS you were talking about ext2. True, nothing open source does NTFS (well) yet, but in that respect Microsoft can go suck on a large wang. From jima at beer.tclug.org Mon Apr 1 16:50:01 2002 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] drivecopy & partitioning tools In-Reply-To: <3CA8DEBE.2010503@haxxed.mine.nu> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, Callum Lerwick wrote: > > Last I checked (during the last InstallFest), parted can't resize NTFS > > partitions. In the end I bought some partition resizer (I forget the > > name, but it wasn't PM) online, and let the person I was helping use it > > for the duration of the install. > > You didn't say NTFS you were talking about ext2. True, nothing open > source does NTFS (well) yet, but in that respect Microsoft can go suck > on a large wang. "You?" That was my first post in this thread. I was merely offering my experience on the subject. If you've got a bone to pick with whomever suggested parted might not be all it's cracked up to be, go someplace else. At any rate, you can be sure that I'm bringing my (legal, thanks) copy of Partition Manager to the next InstallFest. (Yes, I mean "Manager," not "Magic.") Jima From joel at joelschneider.net Mon Apr 1 16:50:16 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] drive copy continued In-Reply-To: <20020401161724.F25062@joelschneider.net>; from joel@joelschneider.net on Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 04:17:24PM -0600 References: <3034.204.220.62.132.1017693900.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> <20020401161724.F25062@joelschneider.net> Message-ID: <20020401165037.I25062@joelschneider.net> On Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 04:17:24PM -0600, Joel Schneider wrote: > To run LILO, you'll need to open a shell as the root user; for this, > you might first need to boot from a "rescue" diskette or CDROM. You may also be able to get a root shell prompt by booting the IPCop CDROM and pressing Alt-F3 (to display virtual console #3). -- Joel Schneider Yan Xin Qigong in Minneapolis joel@joelschneider.net http://yanxinqigong.minneapolis.mn.us/ From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Apr 1 16:53:01 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] authenticating samba against win2k domain, or LDAP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020401225305.GA2519@sistina.com> >smbpasswd -j DOMAIN -r DC1 -U DOMAIN/Administrator > >Gives me the error. So I gave it the finger. HAhaha! I've also found that cursing at and kicking the offending machine in question helps as well. If this fails I recommend the "take-a-break-drink-a-scotch-kill-some-coworkers-in-quake3-and-try-again" approach. -- Ben Lutgens http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ Sistina Software Inc. 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This suggests another possible topic for a meeting, or series of meetings: A Newbie's Introduction to the Great Unix/Linux Flame Wars vi vs. emacs kde vs. gnome which distribution? ..... This may actually be more suitable for a beer meeting, if we could get a private room. It could be quite educational and entertaining, given good moderators. Seriously, those who are new to the Linux world have no idea what these issues are about, and why they are taken seriously. They may feel intimidated and left out when they restart, as they always do. So this is a problem we have to face, and we might as well try to do something useful with it. Glenn McDavid gmcdavid@attbi.com gmcdavid@winternet.com http://www.winternet.com/~gmcdavid/ From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Mon Apr 1 18:48:00 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Speaker for next weeks TCLUG meeting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, DACross@nwc.edu wrote: ...a large table with crap in it... what the fsck is this? i do not flame those who use excessive bandwidth but this is rediculous, unlike refrences previous posts this has no historical value, unlike .sigs this has no sentimental value and unlike flame this has no entertainment value, so please PLEASE refrain from posting such crap again thank you very much, you may now return to flaming -munir From nate at refried.org Mon Apr 1 19:38:02 2002 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Speaker for next weeks TCLUG meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020402014203.GA18254@refried.org> On Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 03:24:44PM -0600, DACross@nwc.edu wrote: > |---------+-----------------------------> Thank you Lotus for creating the ugliest and worst groupware system in the world. Thank you IBM for buying them and bringing this filth to thousands of clients that wouldn't have looked at it otherwise. Nate From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Apr 1 19:43:21 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fwd: Re: squirrelmail 1.2.5 email user can execute command Message-ID: <20020402014304.GA1254@sistina.com> Skipped content of type multipart/mixed-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Enjoy. > > ----- Forwarded message from Konstantin Riabitsev > ----- > > From: Konstantin Riabitsev > Date: 31 Mar 2002 16:21:40 -0500 > To: bugtraq@securityfocus.com > Subject: Re: squirrelmail 1.2.5 email user can execute command > > On Wed, 2002-03-27 at 20:16, pokleyzz sakamaniaka wrote: > > email user can append $THEME variable through > > cookies > > This is very obscure and is limited only to valid users within your > squirrelmail application (e.g. the person has to have a valid login in > order to exploit this vulnerability). The problem is fixed in the > current CVS and will be out with Squirrelmail-1.2.6. Here is the fix, > should you want to apply it, or just wait till the next release, since > this is not a high-risk vulnerability. > > Regards, > Konstantin Riabitsev, > Squirrelmail Bugmaster > > ----- End forwarded message ----- From fertch at mninter.net Tue Apr 2 05:05:01 2002 From: fertch at mninter.net (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] authenticating samba against win2k domain, or LDAP In-Reply-To: References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D76521@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20020402050938.4325e3b2.fertch@mninter.net> Don't know if this has been brought up, but in order for any of our *nix machines to join a Windows domain, the NT admins must create a SID for that particular machine prior to even attempting to join. Shawn On Mon, 1 Apr 2002 15:24:18 -0600 (CST) Nate Carlson wrote: > On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, Austad, Jay wrote: > > Ok, I cannot make Samba authenticate against a win2k domain no matter > > what I do. When I try to join the domain using smbpasswd -j DOMAIN, I > > just get an error that says "failed session request, Unable to join > > domain DOMAIN". I assume I have to join the domain before it will > > authenticate against the DC's right? Because right now when trying to > > connect to a share, I get a failed user/pass error. > > Yeah, you probably do have to join the domain. Did you do smbpasswd -U > to make sure it was trying to authenticate as the remote > user? > > If you do smbclient '\\server\share' -U , it may work, too. > > > Can I make it use LDAP to authenticate against our LDAP servers? > > Haven't tried that one yet.. From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Apr 2 06:46:01 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] squirrelmail patch Message-ID: <20020402124628.GA2399@sistina.com> Is it just me, or is Codeweavers shooting themselves in the foot by not distributing a demo version of thier office plugin? I mean, i don't know about all of you, but i'm not paying almost 60.00 for something i can't try first..... I'd be interested to know how sales fared in comparison to thier browser plugin app. -- Ben Lutgens http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ Sistina Software Inc. (mail -s "get -info" blutgens-info@sistina.com) for my gpg key, IM info etc. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020402/292ecbbb/attachment.pgp From clay at fandre.com Tue Apr 2 08:40:02 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] squirrelmail patch References: <20020402124628.GA2399@sistina.com> Message-ID: <3CA9C31A.2020800@fandre.com> Why don't address this message to Codeweavers? You're preaching to the choir on this one. Ben Lutgens wrote: > Is it just me, or is Codeweavers shooting themselves in the foot by not distributing a demo version of thier office plugin? > I mean, i don't know about all of you, but i'm not paying almost 60.00 for something i can't try first..... > > I'd be interested to know how sales fared in comparison to thier browser plugin app. > From DACross at nwc.edu Tue Apr 2 09:09:00 2002 From: DACross at nwc.edu (DACross@nwc.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Speaker for next weeks TCLUG meeting Message-ID: What's the idea behind misquoting me? I never wrote that snip. A few words of explanation will help. Thanks. David ++++++++++++++++++++++ David Cross, KC0KII Northwestern College Telephone: (651) 628-3438 Fax: (651) 628-3363 "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose." -- Jim Elliot, missionary to the Waorani |---------+-----------------------------> | | Munir Nassar | | | | | | Sent by: | | | tclug-list-admin@m| | | n-linux.org | | | | | | | | | 04/01/02 06:48 PM | | | Please respond to | | | tclug-list | | | | |---------+-----------------------------> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: "tclug-list@mn-linux.org" | | cc: | | Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Speaker for next weeks TCLUG meeting | >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, DACross@nwc.edu wrote: ...a large table with crap in it... what the fsck is this? i do not flame those who use excessive bandwidth but this is rediculous, unlike refrences previous posts this has no historical value, unlike .sigs this has no sentimental value and unlike flame this has no entertainment value, so please PLEASE refrain from posting such crap again thank you very much, you may now return to flaming -munir _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Apr 2 10:13:00 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Codeweavers lack of Trial Version [was squirrelmail patch] In-Reply-To: <3CA9C31A.2020800@fandre.com> References: <20020402124628.GA2399@sistina.com> <3CA9C31A.2020800@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20020402161302.GB1466@sistina.com> On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 08:41:30AM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: >Why don't address this message to Codeweavers? You're preaching to the >choir on this one. > Heh, cause codeweavers hackers are probably on this list. I'd rather they know my sentiments were expressed in public forum. Also it looks like I forgot to fix0r the subject too :-( sorry about that. >Ben Lutgens wrote: >>Is it just me, or is Codeweavers shooting themselves in the foot by not >>distributing a demo version of thier office plugin? >>I mean, i don't know about all of you, but i'm not paying almost 60.00 for >>something i can't try first..... >> >>I'd be interested to know how sales fared in comparison to thier browser >>plugin app. >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ Sistina Software Inc. (mail -s "get -info" blutgens-info@sistina.com) for my gpg key, IM info etc. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020402/b6ee8c9d/attachment.pgp From clay at fandre.com Tue Apr 2 10:20:01 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Local mirror of latest OpenOffice Message-ID: <3CA9DA87.5010206@fandre.com> Anyone have a local mirror with the latest openoffice? The official ftp sites are dog-slow. From nassarsa at redconcepts.net Tue Apr 2 10:34:00 2002 From: nassarsa at redconcepts.net (Samir M. Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Local mirror of latest OpenOffice In-Reply-To: <3CA9DA87.5010206@fandre.com> References: <3CA9DA87.5010206@fandre.com> Message-ID: <1017766100.6947.14.camel@yafa> I have a fresh copy of OpenOffice, I can FTP is up into someones account. -- Samir M. Nassar - nassarsa@redconcepts.net RedConcepts.NET - Open Source, Public Service 'Open Source, Open Systems, Open Borders, Open Minds' Fingerprint = 4D04 E209 3FE5 DA25 A873 DD79 BD77 4511 BB2B AB9F From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Apr 2 10:50:01 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] authenticating samba against win2k domain, or LDAP Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D76564@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > Don't know if this has been brought up, but in order for any > of our *nix machines to join a Windows domain, the NT admins > must create a SID for that particular machine prior to even > attempting to join. Apparently, you don't need to do this anymore with samba 2.2.2. I tried it anyway though, and it still doesn't work. I need this for my 1.2TB music share! :) Jay From jspinti at dartdist.com Tue Apr 2 12:03:01 2002 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Speaker for next weeks TCLUG meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1017770974.4339.4.camel@Dart-71_linux> On Tue, 2002-04-02 at 09:03, DACross@nwc.edu wrote: > > What's the idea behind misquoting me? I never wrote that snip. A few words > of explanation will help. Thanks. > > David > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++ > David Cross, KC0KII > Northwestern College > Telephone: (651) 628-3438 > Fax: (651) 628-3363 > > "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep > to gain what he cannot lose." -- Jim Elliot, missionary to the Waorani > > > |---------+-----------------------------> > | | Munir Nassar | > | | | | pts.net> | > | | Sent by: | > | | tclug-list-admin@m| > | | n-linux.org | > | | | > | | | > | | 04/01/02 06:48 PM | > | | Please respond to | > | | tclug-list | > | | | > |---------+-----------------------------> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| > | | > | To: "tclug-list@mn-linux.org" | > | cc: | > | Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Speaker for next weeks TCLUG meeting | > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| > He is referring to this table above--the boxes and stuff. It's a result of the Lotus Notes system. -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 398 952-368-3255 fax From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Apr 2 12:23:01 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: downloading 7.2 In-Reply-To: <20020327192015.G8198@real-time.com> References: <20020327152950.O8198@real-time.com> <20020327174614.D29372@techmonkeys.org> <20020327192015.G8198@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020328064811.GJ18291@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [020327 19:22]: > > ftp://limestone.uoregon.edu/redhat/ > > There's also ftp://ftp.dulug.duke.edu/pub/redhat/ and www.redhat.com/mirrors > We have the bandwidth, it's just that I prefer to give Real Time's paying > customers preference to that bandwidth. Thus, I throttle ftp connections to Anyhow, AT&T customers would be best off using ftp.software.umn.edu, however it appears they have a lame maxusers setup right now. I might try and rattle about and see if attbi customers coming over the peering link can get better access. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From simeonuj at nssmgmt.com Tue Apr 2 12:23:16 2002 From: simeonuj at nssmgmt.com (Simeon Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] pgp -> gnupg Message-ID: > I figured it out. I had to unset my passphrase in pgp before exporting > it, then reset my passphrase in both pgp and gpg after importing it. > Does anyone know if there's a way to get gnupg to support IDEA to avoid > unsetting your passphrase? Or, is there a way to specify what pgp > uses to encrypt your private key? > YES!!! I've been looking for something like this. I've been trying to export my keys from MacOS 9 (Network Associates PGPkeys) and into X (gpg) but that IDEA thing was also preventing it. At least now I can move it over. :-) If only my X machine was working... This won't change the keys at all right? Meaning I can still use the same key in OS 9 and in X/Linux/GPG? This is the case as I understand it but I'd like to make sure. sim From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Apr 2 12:23:30 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Making config changes permanent, almost there In-Reply-To: References: <3CA379BC.11027A4F@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <20020329003709.GA19334@wookimus.net> On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 05:24:11PM -0600, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > I use Debian, so things may be slightly different. Anyway, Debian uses > /etc/init.d/networking to configure the network interfaces at boot. I > threw the "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" command in there. > Not the best idea really, a dist-upgrade could blow that away if the > networking script gets updated, but it works. For the Debian users out there, the correct answer is to edit the /etc/network/options file to read: ip_forward=yes -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020402/bd29a2e6/attachment.pgp From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Apr 2 12:23:48 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:14 2005 Subject: GPG/PGP Key repository? (was: Re: [TCLUG] pgp -> gnupg) In-Reply-To: <1017358566.1242.6.camel@host250> References: <20020327075836.D26019@real-time.com> <20020327142050.GA806@wookimus.net> <1017358566.1242.6.camel@host250> Message-ID: <20020329003828.GB19334@wookimus.net> On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 05:36:06PM -0600, Christopher Gahlon wrote: > Since were on the subject of GPG/PGP... > > Is there a repository for tclug member public keys? Yes. wwwkeys.us.pgp.net ;-p -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Take the real route to this stuff: edit /etc/sysctl.conf Add a line: net/ipv4/ip_forward=1 I also have net/ipv4/tcp_ecn=0 in there for now, too many broken hosts. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From peter-clark at tides.com Tue Apr 2 12:24:17 2002 From: peter-clark at tides.com (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: GPG/PGP Key repository? In-Reply-To: <20020329013230.GB623@8ball.wox.org> References: <20020327075836.D26019@real-time.com> <1017358566.1242.6.camel@host250> <20020329013230.GB623@8ball.wox.org> Message-ID: <200203291740.g2THeZf196468@pimout1-int.prodigy.net> On Thursday 28 March 2002 07:32 pm, Brian D. Hicks wrote: > Also, I've been meaning to ask if we should do key-signings at the TCLUG > meetings, since I'd like to have more trusted keys than just mine. I agree--I think it would be great to have a key-signing time, although I think it would have to be at an InstallFest, since it's pretty hard to sign keys without your computer. Well, I guess you could pen&paper it. Also, has there been any mumblings about when the next InstallFest will be? :Peter From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Apr 2 12:24:34 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [OT] Computers under 500 USD In-Reply-To: <1017653623.1872.70.camel@yafa> References: <1017653623.1872.70.camel@yafa> Message-ID: <20020401133822.GU18291@ringworld.org> * Samir M. Nassar [020401 03:21]: > General Nano Systems is selling decent PC's for under 500 frog skins. BLEH ECS MOBO. I ordered kristine's 1800+ for ~550 for a new mobo/cpu/ram from what I vaguely remember. It was from mwave.com. Just in case you dont really need anything but upgrade an existing PC. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Apr 2 12:24:49 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] April Fools [OT] In-Reply-To: <20020401080745.A9995@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> References: <20020401134835.0430B60339@friday.localdomain.fake> <20020401080745.A9995@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Message-ID: <20020401142652.GA10343@wookimus.net> On Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 08:07:45AM -0600, Jim Kaufman wrote: > trolltech has come out with a version of qt that works in console > mode. slashdot has an reference to it. Yes, this is definitely an April Fools joke: [08:26:19] chad@cyan (515)$ less main.cpp /*************************************************************************** main.cpp - description ------------------- begin : Sun Mar 31 19:34:03 CEST 2002 copyright : (C) 2002 by email : ***************************************************************************/ /*************************************************************************** * * * This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or * modify * * it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published * by * * the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or * * * (at your option) any later version. * * * * ***************************************************************************/ #ifdef HAVE_CONFIG_H #include #endif #include #include int main(int argc, char *argv[]) { cout << "Hello, World! It is April Fools :)" << endl; return EXIT_SUCCESS; } -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Apr 2 12:25:06 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] April Fools [OT] In-Reply-To: <20020401151428.2B42460339@friday.localdomain.fake> References: <20020401134835.0430B60339@friday.localdomain.fake> <20020401080745.A9995@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> <20020401151428.2B42460339@friday.localdomain.fake> Message-ID: <20020401154256.GD10343@wookimus.net> On Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 09:14:22AM -0600, Jay Kline wrote: > Im not sure that is a joke- it looks kinda cool even. "That", referring to the TrollTech QT-Console library, is definitely a joke, but I would agree with you in that it does look like it would be useful. Allowing existing programs to link ncurses libraries instead of QT widgets would give the developer a nice way to provide console access to apps w/o having to reengineer their presentation layer. (Even if doing so would be the "Right Thing" (TM).) -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net) From cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org Tue Apr 2 12:25:22 2002 From: cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Monthly Meeting Message-ID: <20020402014243.GA3095@fandre.com> When: Saturday, April 6th, 2002, noon - 2pm Topic Scot Jenkins will lead a discussion on various text editors for Linux. This will be an open discussion on text editors and all are welcome to share their opinions. We will try to keep the discussion civil. Where: University of Minnesota Room EE-CS 3-180 http://onestop.umn.edu/Maps/EECSci/index.html Hope to see you there! _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org Tue Apr 2 12:25:36 2002 From: cfandre at maddog.mn-linux.org (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Monthly Meeting Message-ID: <20020402014243.GA3095@fandre.com> When: Saturday, April 6th, 2002, noon - 2pm Topic Scot Jenkins will lead a discussion on various text editors for Linux. This will be an open discussion on text editors and all are welcome to share their opinions. We will try to keep the discussion civil. Where: University of Minnesota Room EE-CS 3-180 http://onestop.umn.edu/Maps/EECSci/index.html Hope to see you there! _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Apr 2 12:25:53 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Speaker for next weeks TCLUG meeting In-Reply-To: <20020402014203.GA18254@refried.org> References: <20020402014203.GA18254@refried.org> Message-ID: <20020402045651.GW18291@ringworld.org> * nate@refried.org [020401 19:39]: > Thank you Lotus for creating the ugliest and worst groupware system in Actually, as a framework and idea, notes rocks. I would love to see something written in java to do some of the same things. (does this exist?) In practice, its got lots of icky crap in it, it seems. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From jimstreit at northlans.com Tue Apr 2 12:38:01 2002 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (Jim Streit) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] authenticating samba against win2k domain, or LDAP Message-ID: <200204021828.g32ISoe09096@linuxserver.northlans.com> Is that correct, 1.2T of music? mp3's? Whats the specs of the machine holding that much stuff? > > Don't know if this has been brought up, but in order for any > > of our *nix machines to join a Windows domain, the NT admins > > must create a SID for that particular machine prior to even > > attempting to join. > > Apparently, you don't need to do this anymore with samba 2.2.2. I tried it > anyway though, and it still doesn't work. > > I need this for my 1.2TB music share! :) > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From shal_jain at intertechsys.com Tue Apr 2 12:55:01 2002 From: shal_jain at intertechsys.com (Shal Jain) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat7.2 and CVS questions Message-ID: <00c901c1da77$f7009b20$1000000a@INTERTECHSYS.COM> I'm new to linux and am trying to run CVS in pserver mode and keep receiving an error message about setgid/setuid: Operation not permitted. Here's my current config I have cvs running using a non-root account named cvs with its own group 'cvsgroup' in the CVSROOT/passwd file I have entries as follows :: if happens to be 'cvs', then all operations work correctly if is another user that belongs to 'cvsgroup', I get errors regarding setgid/setuid The only way I have been able to get rid of the error is by setting the uid/gid bits on /usr/bin/cvs i.e. chmod 6755 /usr/bin/cvs. I'm not sure if this is the appropriate course of action. Am I better off running cvs as root ?. Are there cleaner ways of running CVS in pserver mode. From DACross at nwc.edu Tue Apr 2 13:28:01 2002 From: DACross at nwc.edu (DACross@nwc.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lotus Notes WAS: Speaker for next weeks TCLUG meeting Message-ID: I figured it was the frames of Notes' email client that Munir was referring to. I wrote my message part in jest and part in unbelief that a couple of pipes and dashes would cause such a stir. What are we talking about here, maybe 100 extra characters? That comes up to about 800 bits which leaves a good amount of headroom before I've even added 1kbs to the modem's transaction. Oh well. Notes has some nice database capabilities, but I'm not the greatest fan of its email client. I'm especially disappointed that there is no Linux client (and none expected) and no support for iNotes in Linux (and none expected). Looks like IBM bought into Micro$oft's monopoly and is only offering iNotes support for IE. Bummer. Anyway, I use what I've got and Notes is what was given. Sorry if the tables, etc. bothers anyone. I cut out the rest of the message history but I can't cut that. David ++++++++++++++++++++++ David Cross, KC0KII Northwestern College Telephone: (651) 628-3438 Fax: (651) 628-3363 "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose." -- Jim Elliot, missionary to the Waorani From esper at sherohman.org Tue Apr 2 13:34:00 2002 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lotus Notes WAS: Speaker for next weeks TCLUG meeting In-Reply-To: ; from DACross@nwc.edu on Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 01:23:02PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20020402133443.D28466@sherohman.org> On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 01:23:02PM -0600, DACross@nwc.edu wrote: > I figured it was the frames of Notes' email client that Munir was referring > to. I wrote my message part in jest and part in unbelief that a couple of > pipes and dashes would cause such a stir. What are we talking about here, > maybe 100 extra characters? That comes up to about 800 bits which leaves a > good amount of headroom before I've even added 1kbs to the modem's > transaction. Oh well. As was related here very recently (last week?), the problem isn't bandwidth. The problem is visual noise. It's a pain in the ass to have to filter out meaninglessly quoted text or craptacular ascii art - especially when it exceeds 80 columns or has something that resembles potentially meaningful content embedded within it. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Apr 2 13:42:00 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lotus Notes WAS: Speaker for next weeks TCLUG meeting In-Reply-To: <20020402133443.D28466@sherohman.org> References: <20020402133443.D28466@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20020402194234.GA1150@sistina.com> On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 01:34:43PM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: >On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 01:23:02PM -0600, DACross@nwc.edu wrote: >> I figured it was the frames of Notes' email client that Munir was referring >> to. I wrote my message part in jest and part in unbelief that a couple of >> pipes and dashes would cause such a stir. What are we talking about here, >> maybe 100 extra characters? That comes up to about 800 bits which leaves a >> good amount of headroom before I've even added 1kbs to the modem's >> transaction. Oh well. Let's not start this silly discussion again please. > >As was related here very recently (last week?), the problem isn't >bandwidth. The problem is visual noise. It's a pain in the ass to >have to filter out meaninglessly quoted text or craptacular ascii art I would like to ask permission to use the word "craptacular", it's a fantastic word that I think I could get a great deal of use out of in my line of work. >- especially when it exceeds 80 columns or has something that >resembles potentially meaningful content embedded within it. -- Ben Lutgens http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ Sistina Software Inc. (mail -s "get -info" blutgens-info@sistina.com) for my gpg key, IM info etc. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020402/6f189d10/attachment.pgp From david.blevins at visi.com Tue Apr 2 13:52:02 2002 From: david.blevins at visi.com (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat7.2 and CVS questions In-Reply-To: <00c901c1da77$f7009b20$1000000a@INTERTECHSYS.COM> Message-ID: Shal Jain wrote: > > if happens to be 'cvs', then all operations work correctly > if is another user that belongs to 'cvsgroup', I get errors > regarding setgid/setuid > > The only way I have been able to get rid of the error is by setting the > uid/gid bits on /usr/bin/cvs > i.e. chmod 6755 /usr/bin/cvs. > > I'm not sure if this is the appropriate course of action. There is not reason to run all the users against the repository with their own account, in fact, I would see that as a security hole. From a repository standpoint it doesn't make sense either, cvs already records who made what changes and when. Also, don't give the user cvsuser access to the CVSROOT directory, create a special account cvsadmin for those who you trust with your life! When some one checks a file into the main repository, cvs will execute the commands it finds in files like CVSROOT/commitinfo and CVSROOT/loginfo using. To top it off, anything you add to the file CVSROOT/checkoutlist gets checked out into the CVSROOT directory of the server. With access to the CVSROOT directory, you can simply add the CVSROOT/passwd file to the CVSROOT/checkoutlist, then simply check in a passwd file and add users as you please. Nothing is stopping you from adding other users to run as root! Once they have root and the ability to execute commands, it's all over. All this with CVS and pserver...evil. For maximum security, run a chroot'ed cvs. I don't see any howto's on chroot'ing cvs specifically, but there is one on bind. The idea is the same, you should be able to figure out how to setup cvs to run the same way. http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Chroot-BIND-HOWTO.html For general cvs stuff, I recommend the book Open Source Development with CVS. A real time saver. Good luck! -David From shal_jain at intertechsys.com Tue Apr 2 14:36:06 2002 From: shal_jain at intertechsys.com (Shal Jain) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat7.2 and CVS questions References: Message-ID: <010d01c1da86$0ba685e0$1000000a@INTERTECHSYS.COM> I'm not sure I understand everything you have explained. Please bear with me since I am fairly new to linux from a setup pov. I don't intend to have "cvs users" be actual system accounts. I am simply trying to alias them onto an existing system account which I can control. The problem I'm running into is that the if I alias to an account other than the account (cvsadmin) running CVS, I can't do any operations unless I change uid/gid on /usr/bin/cvs - which I believe is a hack. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Blevins" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 1:51 PM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] RedHat7.2 and CVS questions > > > Shal Jain wrote: > > > > if happens to be 'cvs', then all operations work correctly > > if is another user that belongs to 'cvsgroup', I get errors > > regarding setgid/setuid > > > > The only way I have been able to get rid of the error is by setting the > > uid/gid bits on /usr/bin/cvs > > i.e. chmod 6755 /usr/bin/cvs. > > > > I'm not sure if this is the appropriate course of action. > > There is not reason to run all the users against the repository with their > own account, in fact, I would see that as a security hole. From a > repository standpoint it doesn't make sense either, cvs already records who > made what changes and when. > > Also, don't give the user cvsuser access to the CVSROOT directory, create a > special account cvsadmin for those who you trust with your life! > > When some one checks a file into the main repository, cvs will execute the > commands it finds in files like CVSROOT/commitinfo and CVSROOT/loginfo > using. To top it off, anything you add to the file CVSROOT/checkoutlist > gets checked out into the CVSROOT directory of the server. With access to > the CVSROOT directory, you can simply add the CVSROOT/passwd file to the > CVSROOT/checkoutlist, then simply check in a passwd file and add users as > you please. Nothing is stopping you from adding other users to run as root! > Once they have root and the ability to execute commands, it's all over. All > this with CVS and pserver...evil. > > For maximum security, run a chroot'ed cvs. I don't see any howto's on > chroot'ing cvs specifically, but there is one on bind. The idea is the > same, you should be able to figure out how to setup cvs to run the same way. > > http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Chroot-BIND-HOWTO.html > > For general cvs stuff, I recommend the book Open Source Development with > CVS. A real time saver. > > Good luck! > > -David > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel at joelschneider.net Tue Apr 2 16:01:02 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat7.2 and CVS questions In-Reply-To: <00c901c1da77$f7009b20$1000000a@INTERTECHSYS.COM>; from shal_jain@intertechsys.com on Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 12:55:29PM -0600 References: <00c901c1da77$f7009b20$1000000a@INTERTECHSYS.COM> Message-ID: <20020402160131.T25062@joelschneider.net> Which user/group owns the CVS repository (e.g. the /cvs directory)? It sounds like you might be able to solve your problem by changing the group ownership of the CVS repository, and all subdirectories, to 'cvsgroup'. Then, set the GID bit on these directories so that newly created files in those subdirectories will be owned by the same group. Example: # chown -R .cvsgroup /cvs # chmod -R g+s /cvs It should then be possible to use group permissions to control access to files within the CVS repository. -- Joel Schneider Yan Xin Qigong in Minneapolis joel@joelschneider.net http://yanxinqigong.minneapolis.mn.us/ From jimstreit at northlans.com Tue Apr 2 16:59:00 2002 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (Jim Streit) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Microsoft Exchange Message-ID: <200204022249.g32MnUv09451@linuxserver.northlans.com> Does anyone know of a way to replace an Exchange 5.5 server with a Linux solution that would provide all of the same functionality for my outlook client. I currently use the Exchange server for e-mail, contacts, notes, tasks, calendars and public folders. The Exchange server has been giving me real problems on a regular basis over the last 5 months, and I?m going to have to upgrade or replace it with-in the next couple of months. I know that outlook isn?t the best e-mail client out there, but I don?t want to have to deal with hundreds of whiny users at this point. I would like to keep my outlook clients and all of the functionality, but replace the back-end with something other then Exchange, yet have it tied into our NT domain for the users. What?s your thought? Jim Streit From jmlohren at citilink.com Tue Apr 2 17:21:01 2002 From: jmlohren at citilink.com (Jason Lohrenz) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Microsoft Exchange References: <200204022249.g32MnUv09451@linuxserver.northlans.com> Message-ID: <00ad01c1da9d$163aafb0$02fea8c0@gomer> Good question...I'd like to know too if there's something with similar features. I'm tired of paying the server fees, and then having to pay for CAL's as well just to access the server. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Streit" To: "TCLUG-List" Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 4:49 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Microsoft Exchange > Does anyone know of a way to replace an Exchange 5.5 server with a > Linux solution that would provide all of the same functionality for my > outlook client. I currently use the Exchange server for e-mail, > contacts, notes, tasks, calendars and public folders. The Exchange From joel at joelschneider.net Tue Apr 2 17:35:02 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Microsoft Exchange In-Reply-To: <200204022249.g32MnUv09451@linuxserver.northlans.com>; from jimstreit@northlans.com on Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 04:49:30PM -0600 References: <200204022249.g32MnUv09451@linuxserver.northlans.com> Message-ID: <20020402173447.V25062@joelschneider.net> On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 04:49:30PM -0600, Jim Streit wrote: > Does anyone know of a way to replace an Exchange 5.5 server with a > Linux solution that would provide all of the same functionality for my > outlook client. I currently use the Exchange server for e-mail, > contacts, notes, tasks, calendars and public folders. I don't know of any single, monolithic, open-source software package that attempts to act as a 'drop-in' replacement for proprietary groupware systems such as Microsoft Exchange, Lotus Notes, and Novell GroupWise. However, a team from Lucent did write a paper describing how they accomplished the goal of 'Providing Reliable NT Desktop Services by Avoiding NT Server.' This paper was written in 1998, but the underlying principles and much of the information is still valid: http://www.usenix.org/publications/library/proceedings/lisa-nt98/full_papers/limoncelli/limoncelli_html/limoncelli.html The paper is also available as a PDF document: http://www.usenix.org/publications/library/proceedings/lisa-nt98/full_papers/limoncelli/limoncelli.pdf -- Joel Schneider Yan Xin Qigong in Minneapolis joel@joelschneider.net http://yanxinqigong.minneapolis.mn.us/ From jenkins at nospam.visi.com Tue Apr 2 17:37:01 2002 From: jenkins at nospam.visi.com (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Microsoft Exchange In-Reply-To: <200204022249.g32MnUv09451@linuxserver.northlans.com>; from jimstreit@northlans.com on Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 04:49:30PM -0600 References: <200204022249.g32MnUv09451@linuxserver.northlans.com> Message-ID: <20020402173650.A13740@okane.localnet> try phpgroupware http://www.phpgroupware.org/ time consuming to setup but well worth it. The shared calendars are awesome. There's also the Horde project http://www.horde.org/ Jim Streit wrote: > Does anyone know of a way to replace an Exchange 5.5 server with a > Linux solution that would provide all of the same functionality for my > outlook client. I currently use the Exchange server for e-mail, > contacts, notes, tasks, calendars and public folders. The Exchange > server has been giving me real problems on a regular basis over the > last 5 months, and I?m going to have to upgrade or replace it with-in > the next couple of months. > > I know that outlook isn?t the best e-mail client out there, but I don?t > want to have to deal with hundreds of whiny users at this point. I > would like to keep my outlook clients and all of the functionality, but > replace the back-end with something other then Exchange, yet have it > tied into our NT domain for the users. > > What?s your thought? > > Jim Streit > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From stevered at mm.com Tue Apr 2 17:45:02 2002 From: stevered at mm.com (Steven Redding) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lotus Notes WAS: Speaker for next weeks TCLUG meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1017791117.1581.50.camel@gw.trgnw.net> David, Lotus Notes is supported in the CodeWeavers CossoverOffice application. http://www.codeweavers.com/products/office/ Steve stevered@mm.com On Tue, 2002-04-02 at 13:23, DACross@nwc.edu wrote: > > I figured it was the frames of Notes' email client that Munir was referring > to. I wrote my message part in jest and part in unbelief that a couple of > pipes and dashes would cause such a stir. What are we talking about here, > maybe 100 extra characters? That comes up to about 800 bits which leaves a > good amount of headroom before I've even added 1kbs to the modem's > transaction. Oh well. > > Notes has some nice database capabilities, but I'm not the greatest fan of > its email client. I'm especially disappointed that there is no Linux client > (and none expected) and no support for iNotes in Linux (and none expected). > Looks like IBM bought into Micro$oft's monopoly and is only offering iNotes > support for IE. Bummer. > > Anyway, I use what I've got and Notes is what was given. Sorry if the > tables, etc. bothers anyone. I cut out the rest of the message history but > I can't cut that. > > David > > ++++++++++++++++++++++ > David Cross, KC0KII > Northwestern College > Telephone: (651) 628-3438 > Fax: (651) 628-3363 > > "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep > to gain what he cannot lose." -- Jim Elliot, missionary to the Waorani > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From joelr at ellegon.com Tue Apr 2 17:49:00 2002 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Microsoft Exchange In-Reply-To: <20020402173447.V25062@joelschneider.net> References: <200204022249.g32MnUv09451@linuxserver.northlans.com> <20020402173447.V25062@joelschneider.net> Message-ID: <200204021737.52262@ellegon.com> On Tuesday 02 April 2002 05:34 pm, Joel Schneider wrote: > On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 04:49:30PM -0600, Jim Streit wrote: > > Does anyone know of a way to replace an Exchange 5.5 server with a > > Linux solution that would provide all of the same functionality for my > > outlook client. I currently use the Exchange server for e-mail, > > contacts, notes, tasks, calendars and public folders. > > I don't know of any single, monolithic, open-source software package > that attempts to act as a 'drop-in' replacement for proprietary > groupware systems such as Microsoft Exchange, Lotus Notes, and Novell > GroupWise. That's my understanding, as well, alas, and I've looked for one before. There are several open source groupware projects on Sourceforge, but they're intended to be functional replacements, not drop-in ones. -- ------------------------------------- There's a widow in sleepy Chester Who weeps for her only son; There's a grave on the Pabeng River, A grave that the Burmans shun, And there's Subadar Prag Tewarri Who tells how the work was done. ------------------------------------- From mcnixon at wwdb.org Tue Apr 2 17:55:02 2002 From: mcnixon at wwdb.org (Mike Nixon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] InstallFest (was: GPG/PGP Key repository?) Message-ID: <200204021654.AA2266169716@mail.wwdb.org> I'm also interested in the timing of the next InstallFest. I'm new to linux and would have gone to the last InstallFest... if I had been able to convince my friends to reschedule their wedding. Mike Nixon ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- Message: 4 From: Peter Clark Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 11:40:34 -0600 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: GPG/PGP Key repository? > Also, has there been any mumblings about when the next >InstallFest will be? > :Peter From joel at joelschneider.net Tue Apr 2 18:13:01 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Microsoft Exchange In-Reply-To: <20020402173447.V25062@joelschneider.net>; from joel@joelschneider.net on Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 05:34:47PM -0600 References: <200204022249.g32MnUv09451@linuxserver.northlans.com> <20020402173447.V25062@joelschneider.net> Message-ID: <20020402181336.W25062@joelschneider.net> Here's another article that may be of interest. It's a 12 step program. Somewhat tongue-in-cheek. How to Run a Microsoft-Free Shop http://www.cio.com/archive/010102/shop_content.html -- Joel Schneider Yan Xin Qigong in Minneapolis joel@joelschneider.net http://yanxinqigong.minneapolis.mn.us/ From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com Tue Apr 2 18:18:01 2002 From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Microsoft Exchange In-Reply-To: <200204021737.52262@ellegon.com> References: <200204022249.g32MnUv09451@linuxserver.northlans.com> <20020402173447.V25062@joelschneider.net> <200204021737.52262@ellegon.com> Message-ID: <02040218075500.07493@nancy> Now that HP OpenMail is dead (www.openmail.com) you could try this: http://www.samsungcontact.com/en/ Not open source, but has the support for Outhouse clients (last I checked). I have a demo that I have yet to install (free trial). If it is anything like the old HP OpenMail, it could be a good product. Never go the chance to run OpenMail (other than a demo for an old employer), but was impressed by the fact it had many command line tools and man pages to boot. It looked like it was capable of many thousands of users, and handled remote administration via shell o.k. It would handle most of the functionality of Outlook + Exchange with the exception of offline folders (although this was planned as of OpenMail V7.0. I was also investigating letting Outlook publish to an FTP server to share calendar info. Has anybody tried this often overlooked feature of Outlook? I know most folks on the list will not admit to using a client such as this, but wondered if they were forced to be productive with it... Kelly Black KB0GBJ From clay at fandre.com Tue Apr 2 18:20:02 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] InstallFest (was: GPG/PGP Key repository?) In-Reply-To: <200204021654.AA2266169716@mail.wwdb.org> References: <200204021654.AA2266169716@mail.wwdb.org> Message-ID: <20020403001945.GA27602@fandre.com> On Tue, 02 Apr 2002, Mike Nixon wrote: > I'm also interested in the timing of the next InstallFest. I'm new to linux and would have gone to the last InstallFest... if I had been able to convince my friends to reschedule their wedding. > Come one man, where are your priorities? Actually I am thinking we should have one in May. Anyone know where we could have it? If so send me a note offline. -- Clay -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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How can we become a mirror? :-) -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From david.blevins at visi.com Tue Apr 2 19:23:01 2002 From: david.blevins at visi.com (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Disadvantages to vfat Message-ID: Are there any real disadvantages to storing large amounts of data (mp3's) on a vfat partition? The first thing I noticed is that you can't create links or symlinks on the drive. -David From poptix at techmonkeys.org Tue Apr 2 20:14:01 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [OT] Computers under 500 USD In-Reply-To: <20020401133822.GU18291@ringworld.org>; from dieman@ringworld.org on Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 07:38:22AM -0600 References: <1017653623.1872.70.camel@yafa> <20020401133822.GU18291@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20020402201548.D9030@techmonkeys.org> On Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 07:38:22AM -0600, Scott Dier wrote: > * Samir M. Nassar [020401 03:21]: > > General Nano Systems is selling decent PC's for under 500 frog skins. > > BLEH ECS MOBO. > FYI, The SiS 735 and 745 motherboard are absolutely awesome, this is the chipset in use on the ECS motherboards. Reports of them being DOA are greatly exaggerated due to the fact that most need a single jumper moved for them to POST. They're cheap, they're FAST, they're stable. 5 PCI, AGP, DDR or SDRAM (nice upgrade path), decent onboard sound, good onboard lan. Oh yeah, SiS developers actively participate in linux kernel development. > I ordered kristine's 1800+ for ~550 for a new mobo/cpu/ram from what I > vaguely remember. It was from mwave.com. Just in case you dont really > need anything but upgrade an existing PC. > Last summer I got the following: PC Chips M830LR motherboard, .5G DDR, Case: 4 5 1/2 bays, 4 3 1/4 bays (2 ext, 2 int), 300w 'AMD Approved' P/S 1.3GHz 266mhz "c" core Athlon Total cost? $350 or so with tax. This is the same one that I got a lot of snow in at the last Install Fest, and repeatedly tried to turn on =P (no, it's still hasn't crashed) > -- > Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 From jacque at fruitioninc.com Tue Apr 2 20:36:45 2002 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] beer meeting thursday april 4th Message-ID: Folks- The next beer meeting is April 4th 6 - 8pm at the Water Tower Brewery in Eden Prairie. Details here: http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting/ Hope to see you there! Jacque From jacque at fruitioninc.com Tue Apr 2 20:38:01 2002 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] beer meeting thursday april 4th Message-ID: Folks- The next beer meeting is April 4th 6 - 8pm at the Water Tower Brewery in Eden Prairie. Details here: http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting/ Hope to see you there! Jacque _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From ming at evil-overlords.com Tue Apr 2 21:05:01 2002 From: ming at evil-overlords.com (ming) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Microsoft Exchange In-Reply-To: <20020402173650.A13740@okane.localnet> References: <200204022249.g32MnUv09451@linuxserver.northlans.com> <20020402173650.A13740@okane.localnet> Message-ID: <1017802769.3caa701151561@mail.evil-overlords.com> Quoting Scot Jenkins : > try phpgroupware > > http://www.phpgroupware.org/ > > time consuming to setup but well worth it. The shared calendars are > awesome. There's also the Horde project http://www.horde.org/ > The Horde project is really nice and easy to use web based system. They have a pretty stable email/address book app, but i think the calender and task management systems are still in early development. Then you wouldn't have to use outlook either.... Jason From jimstreit at northlans.com Tue Apr 2 21:11:01 2002 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (Jim Streit) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Microsoft Exchange Message-ID: <200204030302.g33325f09796@linuxserver.northlans.com> I'm not neccesarilly looking for a single product, but maybe 2 or 3 applications that work with each other. I am trying to avoid a "bunch" of small apps that will end up hard to manage or trouble-shoot. The artical is a bit dated like you said, but it does address some of the same concerns. Thanks > On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 04:49:30PM -0600, Jim Streit wrote: > > Does anyone know of a way to replace an Exchange 5.5 server with a > > Linux solution that would provide all of the same functionality for my > > outlook client. I currently use the Exchange server for e-mail, > > contacts, notes, tasks, calendars and public folders. > > I don't know of any single, monolithic, open-source software package > that attempts to act as a 'drop-in' replacement for proprietary > groupware systems such as Microsoft Exchange, Lotus Notes, and Novell > GroupWise. > > However, a team from Lucent did write a paper describing how they > accomplished the goal of 'Providing Reliable NT Desktop Services by > Avoiding NT Server.' This paper was written in 1998, but the underlying > principles and much of the information is still valid: > > http://www.usenix.org/publications/library/proceedings/lisa- nt98/full_papers/limoncelli/limoncelli_html/limoncelli.html > > The paper is also available as a PDF document: > > http://www.usenix.org/publications/library/proceedings/lisa- nt98/full_papers/limoncelli/limoncelli.pdf > > -- > Joel Schneider Yan Xin Qigong in Minneapolis > joel@joelschneider.net http://yanxinqigong.minneapolis.mn.us/ > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From florin at iucha.net Tue Apr 2 22:10:01 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [OT] Computers under 500 USD In-Reply-To: <20020402201548.D9030@techmonkeys.org> References: <1017653623.1872.70.camel@yafa> <20020401133822.GU18291@ringworld.org> <20020402201548.D9030@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20020403040955.GA5690@iucha.net> On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 08:15:48PM -0600, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > > BLEH ECS MOBO. > > > > FYI, The SiS 735 and 745 motherboard are absolutely awesome, this is the > chipset in use on the ECS motherboards. Reports of them being DOA are > greatly exaggerated due to the fact that most need a single jumper moved > for them to POST. > > They're cheap, they're FAST, they're stable. > > 5 PCI, AGP, DDR or SDRAM (nice upgrade path), decent onboard sound, good > onboard lan. > > Oh yeah, SiS developers actively participate in linux kernel development. I second that (and thanks Mathew). I have got a similar mobo + a Duron 1.2 GHz in February for $160 and it works great. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You might want to check out http://www.bynari.com Disclaimer: I haven't used these products but they have come up in discussions here and elsewhere before. They have a server side solution ($600 for 25 users Std Ed, $8250 for 250 user Ent. Ed) They also have an Outlook extension package ($39/user) that they claim allows use of all Outlook functions with a standard IMAP server with ACLs. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From tanner at real-time.com Tue Apr 2 23:58:00 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedHat7.2 and CVS questions In-Reply-To: <00c901c1da77$f7009b20$1000000a@INTERTECHSYS.COM>; from shal_jain@intertechsys.com on Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 12:55:29PM -0600 References: <00c901c1da77$f7009b20$1000000a@INTERTECHSYS.COM> Message-ID: <20020402235806.G32240@real-time.com> Quoting Shal Jain (shal_jain@intertechsys.com): > I'm new to linux and am trying to run CVS in pserver mode and keep receiving > an error message about > setgid/setuid: Operation not permitted. First, I -highly- recommend running cvs under ssh for everything except anonymous/read-only cvs. In your repository make sure you have a file called writers with the names of the people you want to give write access. In your xinetd file, make sure youhave something like this: /usr/bin/cvs --allow-root=/path/project1 --allow-root=/path/project2 -T /var/tmp pserver The -T is important. In your repository, make a file called passwd like this: realuser:cryptpassword:cvs That should do it. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From seg at haxxed.mine.nu Wed Apr 3 00:00:03 2002 From: seg at haxxed.mine.nu (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Disadvantages to vfat References: Message-ID: <3CAA9AF9.4090606@haxxed.mine.nu> David Blevins wrote: > Are there any real disadvantages to storing large amounts of data (mp3's) on > a vfat partition? The first thing I noticed is that you can't create links > or symlinks on the drive. FAT tends to have large cluster sizes, though this is actually less of a concern with mp3s than most other files because mp3s are relatively large... From tanner at real-time.com Wed Apr 3 00:06:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Disadvantages to vfat In-Reply-To: ; from david.blevins@visi.com on Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 07:23:32PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20020403000627.J32240@real-time.com> Quoting David Blevins (david.blevins@visi.com): > Are there any real disadvantages to storing large amounts of data (mp3's) on > a vfat partition? The first thing I noticed is that you can't create links > or symlinks on the drive. You only get the perms of how you mount the files, you can't chown, chgrp, chmod the files. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Apr 3 02:10:02 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [OT] Computers under 500 USD In-Reply-To: <20020402201548.D9030@techmonkeys.org>; from poptix@techmonkeys.org on Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 08:15:48PM -0600 References: <1017653623.1872.70.camel@yafa> <20020401133822.GU18291@ringworld.org> <20020402201548.D9030@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20020403021151.E9030@techmonkeys.org> > Last summer I got the following: [snip] I guess I forgot to mention *where*, it was at General Nanosystems. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Wed Apr 3 09:05:01 2002 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vmware and gcc In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ok I am installing vmware on a machine running RH 7.2. I have secured the machine with bastille linux, so I can no longer log in as root at the login prompt, I must log in as a user first. Vmware needs gcc to install and I have tried to install the rpms as root but they do not install when i use the rpm -i command with the rpm name. The only error was that it needed a directory made, I made that and the error went away but it still was not installed. Whereis just reports "gcc:" and which can not find it in the path. What could be the problem here? Is it just a problem with the path? Thanks Colin Kilbane From mbusse at bussefamily.com Wed Apr 3 09:07:01 2002 From: mbusse at bussefamily.com (Michael Busse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Making config changes permanent, almost there Message-ID: <200204031508.g33F8vJ26410@webmail.bussefamily.com> If you add net/ipv4/ip_forward=1 to the /etc/sysctl.conf, do you still need to use the echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward Just built a linux router with 802.1q trunking. Works quite well. Anyone have any ideas on how it'll compare, performance-wise, to a Cisco router? The pc it's built on is a P166, 64MB RAM, 100MB NIC. Thanks, Mike > On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, Florin Iucha wrote: > > I think you should add > > net/ipv4/ip_forward=1 > > to /etc/sysctl.conf > Close. > s%/%.%g > > net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 > > BTW, try /sbin/sysctl -a > > Gerry > > > -- > Gerry Skerbitz > gsker@tcfreneet.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Apr 3 09:55:02 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vmware and gcc In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Colin Kilbane wrote: > Ok I am installing vmware on a machine running RH 7.2. what version of vmware? > I have secured the > machine with bastille linux, so I can no longer log in as root at the > login prompt, I must log in as a user first. good idea, but when you su to root use su -, this simulates a login process and read roots' .bashrc > Vmware needs gcc to install > and I have tried to install the rpms as root i find it very hard to believe that gcc was not installed by default > but they do not install when > i use the rpm -i command with the rpm name. The only error was that it > needed a directory made, I made that and the error went away but it still > was not installed. Whereis just reports "gcc:" and which can not find it > in the path. What could be the problem here? Is it just a problem with > the path? try this: rpm -qa gcc or rpm -qa | grep gcc if the above does not show gcc installed try rebuilding the rpmdb before installing: rpm --rebuilddb -munir From jim.louis at real-time.com Wed Apr 3 10:26:02 2002 From: jim.louis at real-time.com (Jim Louis) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MS/Unisys revisited In-Reply-To: Message-ID: looks like they couldn't have their cake and eat it too... http://news.com.com/2100-1001-874132.html From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Wed Apr 3 10:51:01 2002 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vmware and gcc In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ok the version is vmware workstation 3.0, The commands rpm -qa and rpm -qa | grep gcc did not return anything before or after i executed rpm --rebuilddb Thanks Colin Kilbane From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Apr 3 11:14:01 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Microsoft Exchange Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D765A1@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > You might want to check out > http://www.bynari.com I tested their client and it sucked. While it did work for some calendaring stuff, it liked to crash very often. I would make damn sure you get a demo before you buy anything. Jay From tanner at real-time.com Wed Apr 3 11:18:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vmware and gcc In-Reply-To: ; from colin@tyr.med.umn.edu on Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 10:51:45AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20020403111843.K7475@real-time.com> Quoting Colin Kilbane (colin@tyr.med.umn.edu): > ok the version is vmware workstation 3.0, > The commands rpm -qa and rpm -qa | grep gcc did not return anything before > or after i executed rpm --rebuilddb Looks like you do not have gcc in stalled. 'locate gcc' return anything? -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Wed Apr 3 11:24:00 2002 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vmware and gcc In-Reply-To: <20020403111843.K7475@real-time.com> Message-ID: If I don't have it installed or fully installed how do I install it with all the libraries and accessory files that I need to get it working. Thanks Colin Kilbane From DACross at nwc.edu Wed Apr 3 11:25:03 2002 From: DACross at nwc.edu (DACross@nwc.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vmware and gcc Message-ID: I use VMware on my Linux box, too. In fact, I'm writing this from a 98 machine (yuk) running inside of VMware on a Red Hat 7.2 host. Take a look at vmware's web site for VMwareWorkstationKernelModules-3.0.0-1491.i386.rpm (for VMware 3). This kernel module will answer your gcc problems and others. With this installed, I don't think you'll have trouble finishing the installation. Hope that helps, David Cross ++++++++++++++++++++++ David Cross, KC0KII Northwestern College Telephone: (651) 628-3438 Fax: (651) 628-3363 "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose." -- Jim Elliot, missionary to the Waorani From jspinti at dartdist.com Wed Apr 3 11:41:01 2002 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vmware and gcc In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1017856070.4339.56.camel@Dart-71_linux> On Wed, 2002-04-03 at 11:19, DACross@nwc.edu wrote: > > I use VMware on my Linux box, too. In fact, I'm writing this from a 98 > machine (yuk) running inside of VMware on a Red Hat 7.2 host. Take a look > at vmware's web site for VMwareWorkstationKernelModules-3.0.0-1491.i386.rpm > (for VMware 3). This kernel module will answer your gcc problems and > others. With this installed, I don't think you'll have trouble finishing > the installation. > I, too, had the same problem. If you install the regular vm workstation 3.0 rpm, then the kernel mods rpm before running the configure script, it will run without asking for the gcc path, etc, which won't help anyway :( http://www.vmware.com/download/modules/modules_ws.html -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 398 952-368-3255 fax From tanner at real-time.com Wed Apr 3 13:06:10 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vmware and gcc In-Reply-To: ; from colin@tyr.med.umn.edu on Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 11:24:43AM -0600 References: <20020403111843.K7475@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020403130643.M1902@real-time.com> Quoting Colin Kilbane (colin@tyr.med.umn.edu): > If I don't have it installed or fully installed how do I install it with > all the libraries and accessory files that I need to get it working. Define "it". If you mean, gcc, download it ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/redhat/linux/7.2/en/os/i386/RedHat/RPMS/ You'll need gcc-2.96-98.i386.rpm, cpp-2.96-98.i386.rpm rpm -ihv them -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Apr 3 14:16:01 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Disadvantages to vfat In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020403141624.4db6f018.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "David Blevins" wrote: > > Are there any real disadvantages to storing large amounts of data > (mp3's) on a vfat partition? The first thing I noticed is that you > can't create links or symlinks on the drive. I think VFAT has some bigger limitations on the characters that you can put in filenames compared to other filesystems (but this may have changed). It's slower than other filesystems, but that doesn't matter too much with music files. The inability to control permissions bothers me the most, though. I can't stand to have all those files marked executable all the time... -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ 60% of all statistics are / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ made up on the spot. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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That and a few other things bothered me, I ended up bouncing the data to an ext3 partition then repartitioning and reformatting the drive for ext3. -David From seg at haxxed.mine.nu Wed Apr 3 16:19:00 2002 From: seg at haxxed.mine.nu (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Disadvantages to vfat References: Message-ID: <3CAB807D.7020301@haxxed.mine.nu> >>The inability to control permissions bothers me >>the most, though. I can't stand to have all those files marked executable >>all the time... > > > That and a few other things bothered me, I ended up bouncing the data to an > ext3 partition then repartitioning and reformatting the drive for ext3. /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part2 /Cdos vfat defaults,noatime,uid=500,noexec,umask=022 0 2 Ta da, noexec is your friend. Not so sure about devfs though... From wilson at isis.visi.com Wed Apr 3 16:41:02 2002 From: wilson at isis.visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mozilla 0.9.9 ignoring CSS info? Message-ID: Hi everyone, It seems that Mozilla 0.9.9 is ignoring the CSS that I've got on my Web page. For instance, if you hit http://www.isd197.org/sibley/, you'll see a couple news-type postings at the top of the page. With mozilla, the headline is not displayed in the large font that my stylesheet specifies. Could someone confirm this? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Wed Apr 3 17:02:01 2002 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mozilla 0.9.9 ignoring CSS info? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020403170201.A2220@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 04:40:50PM -0600, Tim Wilson wrote: > It seems that Mozilla 0.9.9 is ignoring the CSS that I've got on my Web > page. For instance, if you hit http://www.isd197.org/sibley/, you'll see > a couple news-type postings at the top of the page. With mozilla, the > headline is not displayed in the large font that my stylesheet > specifies. Could someone confirm this? Yep, I can confirm it. Regular sized text on the headlines in Mozilla, big text in Netscape 4.x. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Wed Apr 3 17:16:01 2002 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mozilla 0.9.9 ignoring CSS info? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020403171553.A2308@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 04:40:50PM -0600, Tim Wilson wrote: > It seems that Mozilla 0.9.9 is ignoring the CSS that I've got on my Web > page. For instance, if you hit http://www.isd197.org/sibley/, you'll see > a couple news-type postings at the top of the page. With mozilla, the > headline is not displayed in the large font that my stylesheet > specifies. Could someone confirm this? It looks like like might be an apache configuration problem. Take a look at http://www.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla0.9.9/#devel . Do you have "AddType text/css .css" in your .htaccess file? -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org From dsherman at real-time.com Wed Apr 3 17:20:18 2002 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mozilla 0.9.9 ignoring CSS info? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1017876002.2787.0.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> On Wed, 2002-04-03 at 16:40, Tim Wilson wrote: > Hi everyone, > > It seems that Mozilla 0.9.9 is ignoring the CSS that I've got on my Web > page. For instance, if you hit http://www.isd197.org/sibley/, you'll see > a couple news-type postings at the top of the page. With mozilla, the > headline is not displayed in the large font that my stylesheet > specifies. Could someone confirm this? Yep. Could it be that Mozilla wants a proper ".css" file extension? I noticed your file is global_css, with no extension at all. -- Dave Sherman Beware the wrath of dragons, MCSE, MCSA, CCNA for you are crunchy, and good with ketchup. "lynx -source http://sildara.dyndns.org/davepub.asc | gpg --import" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020403/bf4e7508/attachment.pgp From tanner at real-time.com Wed Apr 3 20:31:02 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Official mirror for yellowdog linux Message-ID: <20020403203110.N31911@real-time.com> ftp.mn-linux.org is not an official mirror for yellowdog linux. ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/yellowdog/ I am also mirroring the ximian gnome yellowdog stuff as well: ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/ximian/ximian-gnome/yellowdog-21-ppc/ ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/ximian/ximian-gnome/yellowdog-20-ppc/ Since 2.2 was just released there are no 2.2 ximian gnome rpms yet. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From nassarsa at redconcepts.net Wed Apr 3 20:59:00 2002 From: nassarsa at redconcepts.net (Samir M. Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDE 3 Message-ID: <1017890026.8527.7.camel@yafa> Id ftp.mn-linuxx.org a mirror for KDE 3? Does anyone have experience with KDE 3? -- Samir M. Nassar - nassarsa@redconcepts.net RedConcepts.NET - Open Source, Public Service 'Open Source, Open Systems, Open Borders, Open Minds' Fingerprint = 4D04 E209 3FE5 DA25 A873 DD79 BD77 4511 BB2B AB9F From admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us Wed Apr 3 21:56:01 2002 From: admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Trouble with iptables script Message-ID: <2498.63.164.68.163.1017892448.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> I am using the attached script on my local LAN, on a RedHat 7.1 box. At first it works great for everything I need, but either time or maybe use will cause it to stop working, and not allow any Internet traffic through. The RedHat box looses Internet too. I have stopped the script, restarted iptables, and then launched the script again, but it whines about not being able to get an IP address on eth0. If I restart the box, and script, everything works great for a while. Any ideas? My setup: RedHat 7.1 box with 2 nics. Local LAN is attached to a 10/100 switch. -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 From admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us Wed Apr 3 22:02:01 2002 From: admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Trouble with iptables script In-Reply-To: <2498.63.164.68.163.1017892448.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> References: <2498.63.164.68.163.1017892448.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <2526.63.164.68.163.1017892806.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> This time I will attach the script:) > I am using the attached script on my local LAN, on a RedHat 7.1 box. At > first it works great for everything I need, but either time or maybe > use will cause it to stop working, and not allow any Internet traffic > through. The RedHat box looses Internet too. I have stopped the script, > restarted iptables, and then launched the script again, but it whines > about not being able to get an IP address on eth0. If I restart the > box, and script, everything works great for a while. > > > Any ideas? > > My setup: > RedHat 7.1 box with 2 nics. Local LAN is attached to a 10/100 switch. > > > -- > Raymond Norton > Little Crow Telemedia Network > 320-234-0270 > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 -------------- next part -------------- ################################################################################# # # IPTABLES Firewall v 0.86 # by shadow999@firemail.de # # Small parts from http://members.optusnet.com.au/~technion/ # and some tutorials # # This script is intended to setup a masquerading firewall based on # the IPTABLES (Net)filter-machanism of Linux 2.3.15+ # Syslogging matches fireparse for graphical output (see http://www.fireparse.com) # # Normally this script will work 'out-of-the-box', but you should adapt it to # your own needs (At least you should set the correct default interfaces # --> see Default-Interfaces section) # # Comments, suggestions, etc. are welcome # # Usage on your own risk ;) # # Syntax to invoke script: firewall (start|stop|restart|status) EXTIF INTIF # Example: "firewall start ppp0 eth0" # ################################################################################# # # Version History: # # 0.86: Added a few comments # # 0.85: Various re-arrangements # Added TCP-SYN-flood protection # Added separate logging of pingfloods # Added automatic detection of parameters on internal interface # Made flooding-parameters variable # # 0.84: Added special ICMP-Filtering # # 0.83: Added ICMP-logging-chain # Some minor changes # # 0.82: Reorganized parts of the script # Added special user-chains # # 0.80: Altered logging strings to match fireparse # # 0.78: Added many comments # Completed flushing of tables (missing -X) # # 0.75: Added automatic detection of IP-address, gateway, etc of external interface # # 0.7: Added new logging-chains # # 0.65: Added special sanity checks for TCP-Flags # Silently filter out SMB-traffic # Removed unclean-checks (according to some docs still unstable) # # 0.6: Major redesign of whole script, divided into chain-sections # # 0.5: Adopted parts of firewall-script from http://members.optusnet.com.au/~technion/ # Minor changes # # ######################################################################################## #!/bin/sh # This is the location of the iptables command IPTABLES="/usr/sbin/iptables" case "$1" in stop) echo "Shutting down firewall..." $IPTABLES -F $IPTABLES -F -t mangle $IPTABLES -F -t nat $IPTABLES -X $IPTABLES -X -t mangle $IPTABLES -X -t nat $IPTABLES -P INPUT ACCEPT $IPTABLES -P OUTPUT ACCEPT $IPTABLES -P FORWARD ACCEPT echo "...done" ;; status) echo $"Table: filter" iptables --list echo $"Table: nat" iptables -t nat --list echo $"Table: mangle" iptables -t mangle --list ;; restart|reload) $0 stop $0 start ;; start) echo "Starting Firewall..." echo "" ##--------------------------Begin Firewall---------------------------------## #----Default-Interfaces-----# ## Default external interface (used, if EXTIF isn't specified on command line) DEFAULT_EXTIF="ppp0" ## Default internal interface (used, if INTIF isn't specified on command line) DEFAULT_INTIF="eth0" #----Special Variables-----# # IP Mask for all IP addresses UNIVERSE="0.0.0.0/0" # Specification of the high unprivileged IP ports. UNPRIVPORTS="1024:65535" # Specification of X Window System (TCP) ports. XWINPORTS="6000:6063" # Ports for IRC-Connection-Tracking IRCPORTS="6665,6666,6667,6668,6669,7000" #-----Port-Forwarding Variables-----# #For port-forwarding to an internal host, define a variable with the appropriate #internal IP-Address here and take a look at the port-forwarding sections in the FORWARD + #PREROUTING-chain: #These are examples, uncomment to activate #IP for forwarded Battlecom-traffic #BATTLECOMIP="192.168.0.5" #IP for forwarded HTTP-traffic #HTTPIP="192.168.0.20" #----Flood Variables-----# # Overall Limit for TCP-SYN-Flood detection TCPSYNLIMIT="5/s" # Burst Limit for TCP-SYN-Flood detection TCPSYNLIMITBURST="10" # Overall Limit for Loggging in Logging-Chains LOGLIMIT="2/s" # Burst Limit for Logging in Logging-Chains LOGLIMITBURST="10" # Overall Limit for Ping-Flood-Detection PINGLIMIT="5/s" # Burst Limit for Ping-Flood-Detection PINGLIMITBURST="10" #----Automatically determine infos about involved interfaces-----# ### External Interface: ## Get external interface from command-line ## If no interface is specified then set $DEFAULT_EXTIF as EXTIF if [ "x$2" != "x" ]; then EXTIF=$2 else EXTIF=$DEFAULT_EXTIF fi echo External Interface: $EXTIF ## Determine external IP EXTIP="`ifconfig $EXTIF | grep inet | cut -d : -f 2 | cut -d \ -f 1`" if [ "$EXTIP" = '' ]; then echo "Aborting: Unable to determine the IP-address of $EXTIF !" exit 1 fi echo External IP: $EXTIP ## Determine external gateway EXTGW=`route -n | grep -A 4 UG | awk '{ print $2}'` echo Default GW: $EXTGW echo " --- " ### Internal Interface: ## Get internal interface from command-line ## If no interface is specified then set $DEFAULT_INTIF as INTIF if [ "x$3" != "x" ]; then INTIF=$3 else INTIF=$DEFAULT_INTIF fi echo Internal Interface: $INTIF ## Determine internal IP INTIP="`ifconfig $INTIF | grep inet | cut -d : -f 2 | cut -d \ -f 1`" if [ "$INTIP" = '' ]; then echo "Aborting: Unable to determine the IP-address of $INTIF !" exit 1 fi echo Internal IP: $INTIP ## Determine internal netmask INTMASK="`ifconfig $INTIF | grep Mask | cut -d : -f 4`" echo Internal Netmask: $INTMASK ## Determine network address of the internal network INTLAN=$INTIP'/'$INTMASK echo Internal LAN: $INTLAN echo "" #----Load IPTABLES-modules-----# #Insert modules- should be done automatically if needed #If the IRC-modules are available, uncomment them below echo "Loading IPTABLES modules" dmesg -n 1 #Kill copyright display on module load /sbin/modprobe ip_tables /sbin/modprobe iptable_filter /sbin/modprobe ip_conntrack /sbin/modprobe ip_conntrack_ftp /sbin/modprobe ip_nat_ftp #/sbin/modprobe ip_conntrack_irc ports=$IRCPORTS #/sbin/modprobe ip_nat_irc ports=$IRCPORTS dmesg -n 6 echo " --- " #----Clear/Reset all chains-----# #Clear all IPTABLES-chains #Flush everything, start from scratch $IPTABLES -F $IPTABLES -F -t mangle $IPTABLES -F -t nat $IPTABLES -X $IPTABLES -X -t mangle $IPTABLES -X -t nat #Set default policies to DROP $IPTABLES -P INPUT DROP $IPTABLES -P OUTPUT DROP $IPTABLES -P FORWARD DROP #----Set network sysctl options-----# echo "Setting sysctl options" #Enable forwarding in kernel echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward #Disabling IP Spoofing attacks. echo 2 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/rp_filter #Don't respond to broadcast pings (Smurf-Amplifier-Protection) echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp_echo_ignore_broadcasts #Block source routing echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/accept_source_route #Kill timestamps echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_timestamps #Enable SYN Cookies echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_syncookies #Kill redirects echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/accept_redirects #Enable bad error message protection echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp_ignore_bogus_error_responses #Log martians (packets with impossible addresses) echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/log_martians #Set out local port range echo "32768 61000" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_local_port_range #Reduce DoS'ing ability by reducing timeouts echo 30 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_fin_timeout echo 2400 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_keepalive_time echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_window_scaling echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_sack echo " --- " echo "Creating user-chains" #----Create logging chains-----# ##These are the logging-chains. They all have a certain limit of log-entries/sec to prevent log-flooding ##The syslog-entries will be fireparse-compatible (see http://www.fireparse.com) #Invalid packets (not ESTABLISHED,RELATED or NEW) $IPTABLES -N LINVALID $IPTABLES -A LINVALID -m limit --limit $LOGLIMIT --limit-burst $LOGLIMITBURST -j LOG --log-prefix "fp=INVALID:1 a=DROP " $IPTABLES -A LINVALID -j DROP #TCP-Packets with one ore more bad flags $IPTABLES -N LBADFLAG $IPTABLES -A LBADFLAG -m limit --limit $LOGLIMIT --limit-burst $LOGLIMITBURST -j LOG --log-prefix "fp=BADFLAG:1 a=DROP " $IPTABLES -A LBADFLAG -j DROP #Logging of connection attempts on special ports (Trojan portscans, special services, etc.) $IPTABLES -N LSPECIALPORT $IPTABLES -A LSPECIALPORT -m limit --limit $LOGLIMIT --limit-burst $LOGLIMITBURST -j LOG --log-prefix "fp=SPECIALPORT:1 a=DROP " $IPTABLES -A LSPECIALPORT -j DROP #Logging of possible TCP-SYN-Floods $IPTABLES -N LSYNFLOOD $IPTABLES -A LSYNFLOOD -m limit --limit $LOGLIMIT --limit-burst $LOGLIMITBURST -j LOG --log-prefix "fp=SYNFLOOD:1 a=DROP " $IPTABLES -A LSYNFLOOD -j DROP #Logging of possible Ping-Floods $IPTABLES -N LPINGFLOOD $IPTABLES -A LPINGFLOOD -m limit --limit $LOGLIMIT --limit-burst $LOGLIMITBURST -j LOG --log-prefix "fp=PINGFLOOD:1 a=DROP " $IPTABLES -A LPINGFLOOD -j DROP #All other dropped packets $IPTABLES -N LDROP $IPTABLES -A LDROP -p tcp -m limit --limit $LOGLIMIT --limit-burst $LOGLIMITBURST -j LOG --log-prefix "fp=TCP:1 a=DROP " $IPTABLES -A LDROP -p udp -m limit --limit $LOGLIMIT --limit-burst $LOGLIMITBURST -j LOG --log-prefix "fp=UDP:2 a=DROP " $IPTABLES -A LDROP -p icmp -m limit --limit $LOGLIMIT --limit-burst $LOGLIMITBURST -j LOG --log-prefix "fp=ICMP:3 a=DROP " $IPTABLES -A LDROP -f -m limit --limit $LOGLIMIT --limit-burst $LOGLIMITBURST -j LOG --log-prefix "fp=FRAGMENT:4 a=DROP " $IPTABLES -A LDROP -j DROP #All other rejected packets $IPTABLES -N LREJECT $IPTABLES -A LREJECT -p tcp -m limit --limit $LOGLIMIT --limit-burst $LOGLIMITBURST -j LOG --log-prefix "fp=TCP:1 a=REJECT " $IPTABLES -A LREJECT -p udp -m limit --limit $LOGLIMIT --limit-burst $LOGLIMITBURST -j LOG --log-prefix "fp=UDP:2 a=REJECT " $IPTABLES -A LREJECT -p icmp -m limit --limit $LOGLIMIT --limit-burst $LOGLIMITBURST -j LOG --log-prefix "fp=ICMP:3 a=REJECT " $IPTABLES -A LREJECT -f -m limit --limit $LOGLIMIT --limit-burst $LOGLIMITBURST -j LOG --log-prefix "fp=FRAGMENT:4 a=REJECT " $IPTABLES -A LREJECT -p tcp -j REJECT --reject-with tcp-reset $IPTABLES -A LREJECT -p udp -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-port-unreachable $IPTABLES -A LREJECT -j REJECT #----Create Accept-Chains-----# #TCPACCEPT - Check for SYN-Floods before letting TCP-Packets in $IPTABLES -N TCPACCEPT $IPTABLES -A TCPACCEPT -p tcp --syn -m limit --limit $TCPSYNLIMIT --limit-burst $TCPSYNLIMITBURST -j ACCEPT $IPTABLES -A TCPACCEPT -p tcp --syn -j LSYNFLOOD $IPTABLES -A TCPACCEPT -p tcp ! --syn -j ACCEPT #----Create special User-Chains-----# #CHECKBADFLAG - Kill any Inbound/Outbound TCP-Packets with impossible flag-combinations (Some port-scanners use these, eg. nmap Xmas,Null,etc.-scan) $IPTABLES -N CHECKBADFLAG $IPTABLES -A CHECKBADFLAG -p tcp --tcp-flags ALL FIN,URG,PSH -j LBADFLAG $IPTABLES -A CHECKBADFLAG -p tcp --tcp-flags ALL SYN,RST,ACK,FIN,URG -j LBADFLAG $IPTABLES -A CHECKBADFLAG -p tcp --tcp-flags ALL ALL -j LBADFLAG $IPTABLES -A CHECKBADFLAG -p tcp --tcp-flags ALL NONE -j LBADFLAG $IPTABLES -A CHECKBADFLAG -p tcp --tcp-flags SYN,RST SYN,RST -j LBADFLAG $IPTABLES -A CHECKBADFLAG -p tcp --tcp-flags SYN,FIN SYN,FIN -j LBADFLAG #FILTERING FOR SPECIAL PORTS #Inbound/Outbound SILENTDROPS/REJECTS (Things we don't want in our Logs) #SMB-Traffic $IPTABLES -N SMB $IPTABLES -A SMB -p tcp --dport 137 -j DROP $IPTABLES -A SMB -p tcp --dport 138 -j DROP $IPTABLES -A SMB -p tcp --dport 139 -j DROP $IPTABLES -A SMB -p tcp --dport 445 -j DROP $IPTABLES -A SMB -p udp --dport 137 -j DROP $IPTABLES -A SMB -p udp --dport 138 -j DROP $IPTABLES -A SMB -p udp --dport 139 -j DROP $IPTABLES -A SMB -p udp --dport 445 -j DROP $IPTABLES -A SMB -p tcp --sport 137 -j DROP $IPTABLES -A SMB -p tcp --sport 138 -j DROP $IPTABLES -A SMB -p tcp --sport 139 -j DROP $IPTABLES -A SMB -p tcp --sport 445 -j DROP $IPTABLES -A SMB -p udp --sport 137 -j DROP $IPTABLES -A SMB -p udp --sport 138 -j DROP $IPTABLES -A SMB -p udp --sport 139 -j DROP $IPTABLES -A SMB -p udp --sport 445 -j DROP #Inbound Special Ports $IPTABLES -N SPECIALPORTS #Deepthroat Scan $IPTABLES -A SPECIALPORTS -p tcp --dport 6670 -j LSPECIALPORT #Subseven Scan $IPTABLES -A SPECIALPORTS -p tcp --dport 1243 -j LSPECIALPORT $IPTABLES -A SPECIALPORTS -p udp --dport 1243 -j LSPECIALPORT $IPTABLES -A SPECIALPORTS -p tcp --dport 27374 -j LSPECIALPORT $IPTABLES -A SPECIALPORTS -p udp --dport 27374 -j LSPECIALPORT $IPTABLES -A SPECIALPORTS -p tcp --dport 6711:6713 -j LSPECIALPORT #Netbus Scan $IPTABLES -A SPECIALPORTS -p tcp --dport 12345:12346 -j LSPECIALPORT $IPTABLES -A SPECIALPORTS -p tcp --dport 20034 -j LSPECIALPORT #Back Orifice scan $IPTABLES -A SPECIALPORTS -p udp --dport 31337:31338 -j LSPECIALPORT #X-Win $IPTABLES -A SPECIALPORTS -p tcp --dport $XWINPORTS -j LSPECIALPORT #Hack'a'Tack 2000 $IPTABLES -A SPECIALPORTS -p udp --dport 28431 -j LSPECIALPORT #ICMP/TRACEROUTE FILTERING #Inbound ICMP/Traceroute $IPTABLES -N ICMPINBOUND #Ping Flood protection. Accept $PINGLIMIT echo-requests/sec, rest will be logged/dropped $IPTABLES -A ICMPINBOUND -p icmp --icmp-type echo-request -m limit --limit $PINGLIMIT --limit-burst $PINGLIMITBURST -j ACCEPT # $IPTABLES -A ICMPINBOUND -p icmp --icmp-type echo-request -j LPINGFLOOD #Block ICMP-Redirects (Should already be catched by sysctl-options, if enabled) $IPTABLES -A ICMPINBOUND -p icmp --icmp-type redirect -j LDROP #Block ICMP-Timestamp (Should already be catched by sysctl-options, if enabled) $IPTABLES -A ICMPINBOUND -p icmp --icmp-type timestamp-request -j LDROP $IPTABLES -A ICMPINBOUND -p icmp --icmp-type timestamp-reply -j LDROP #Block ICMP-address-mask (can help to prevent OS-fingerprinting) $IPTABLES -A ICMPINBOUND -p icmp --icmp-type address-mask-request -j LDROP $IPTABLES -A ICMPINBOUND -p icmp --icmp-type address-mask-reply -j LDROP #Allow all other ICMP in $IPTABLES -A ICMPINBOUND -p icmp -j ACCEPT #Outbound ICMP/Traceroute $IPTABLES -N ICMPOUTBOUND #Block ICMP-Redirects (Should already be catched by sysctl-options, if enabled) $IPTABLES -A ICMPOUTBOUND -p icmp --icmp-type redirect -j LDROP #Block ICMP-TTL-Expired #MS Traceroute (MS uses ICMP instead of UDp for tracert) $IPTABLES -A ICMPOUTBOUND -p icmp --icmp-type ttl-zero-during-transit -j LDROP $IPTABLES -A ICMPOUTBOUND -p icmp --icmp-type ttl-zero-during-reassembly -j LDROP #Block ICMP-Parameter-Problem $IPTABLES -A ICMPOUTBOUND -p icmp --icmp-type parameter-problem -j LDROP #Block ICMP-Timestamp (Should already be catched by sysctl-options, if enabled) $IPTABLES -A ICMPOUTBOUND -p icmp --icmp-type timestamp-request -j LDROP $IPTABLES -A ICMPOUTBOUND -p icmp --icmp-type timestamp-reply -j LDROP #Block ICMP-address-mask (can help to prevent OS-fingerprinting) $IPTABLES -A ICMPOUTBOUND -p icmp --icmp-type address-mask-request -j LDROP $IPTABLES -A ICMPOUTBOUND -p icmp --icmp-type address-mask-reply -j LDROP ##Accept all other ICMP going out $IPTABLES -A ICMPOUTBOUND -p icmp -j ACCEPT #----End User-Chains-----# echo " --- " #----Start Ruleset-----# echo "Implementing firewall rules..." ################# ## INPUT-Chain ## (everything that is addressed to the firewall itself) ################# ##GENERAL Filtering # Kill INVALID packets (not ESTABLISHED, RELATED or NEW) $IPTABLES -A INPUT -m state --state INVALID -j LINVALID # Check TCP-Packets for Bad Flags $IPTABLES -A INPUT -p tcp -j CHECKBADFLAG ##Packets FROM FIREWALL-BOX ITSELF #Local IF $IPTABLES -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT # #Kill connections to the local interface from the outside world (--> Should be already catched by kernel/rp_filter) $IPTABLES -A INPUT -d 127.0.0.0/8 -j LREJECT ##Packets FROM INTERNAL NET ##Allow unlimited traffic from internal network using legit addresses to firewall-box ##If protection from the internal interface is needed, alter it $IPTABLES -A INPUT -i $INTIF -s $INTLAN -j ACCEPT #Kill anything from outside claiming to be from internal network (Address-Spoofing --> Should be already catched by rp_filter) $IPTABLES -A INPUT -s $INTLAN -j LREJECT ##Packets FROM EXTERNAL NET ##ICMP & Traceroute filtering #Filter ICMP $IPTABLES -A INPUT -i $EXTIF -p icmp -j ICMPINBOUND #Block UDP-Traceroute $IPTABLES -A INPUT -p udp --dport 33434:33523 -j LDROP ##Silent Drops/Rejects (Things we don't want in our logs) #Drop all SMB-Traffic $IPTABLES -A INPUT -i $EXTIF -j SMB #Silently reject Ident (Don't DROP ident, because of possible delays when establishing an outbound connection) $IPTABLES -A INPUT -i $EXTIF -p tcp --dport 113 -j REJECT --reject-with tcp-reset ##Public services running ON FIREWALL-BOX (comment out to activate): # ftp-data #$IPTABLES -A INPUT -i $EXTIF -p tcp --dport 20 -j TCPACCEPT # ftp #$IPTABLES -A INPUT -i $EXTIF -p tcp --dport 21 -j TCPACCEPT # ssh #$IPTABLES -A INPUT -i $EXTIF -p tcp --dport 22 -j TCPACCEPT #telnet #$IPTABLES -A INPUT -i $EXTIF -p tcp --dport 23 -j TCPACCEPT # smtp #$IPTABLES -A INPUT -i $EXTIF -p tcp --dport 25 -j TCPACCEPT # DNS #$IPTABLES -A INPUT -i $EXTIF -p tcp --dport 53 -j TCPACCEPT #$IPTABLES -A INPUT -i $EXTIF -p udp --dport 53 -j ACCEPT # http #$IPTABLES -A INPUT -i $EXTIF -p tcp --dport 80 -j TCPACCEPT # https #$IPTABLES -A INPUT -i $EXTIF -p tcp --dport 443 -j TCPACCEPT # POP-3 #$IPTABLES -A INPUT -i $EXTIF -p tcp --dport 110 -j TCPACCEPT ##Separate logging of special portscans/connection attempts $IPTABLES -A INPUT -i $EXTIF -j SPECIALPORTS ##Allow ESTABLISHED/RELATED connections in $IPTABLES -A INPUT -i $EXTIF -m state --state ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT $IPTABLES -A INPUT -i $EXTIF -p tcp --dport $UNPRIVPORTS -m state --state RELATED -j TCPACCEPT $IPTABLES -A INPUT -i $EXTIF -p udp --dport $UNPRIVPORTS -m state --state RELATED -j ACCEPT ##Catch all rule $IPTABLES -A INPUT -j LDROP ################## ## Output-Chain ## (everything that comes directly from the Firewall-Box) ################## ##Packets TO FIREWALL-BOX ITSELF #Local IF $IPTABLES -A OUTPUT -o lo -j ACCEPT ##Packets TO INTERNAL NET #Allow unlimited traffic to internal network using legit addresses $IPTABLES -A OUTPUT -o $INTIF -d $INTLAN -j ACCEPT ##Packets TO EXTERNAL NET ##ICMP & Traceroute $IPTABLES -A OUTPUT -o $EXTIF -p icmp -j ICMPOUTBOUND ##Silent Drops/Rejects (Things we don't want in our logs) #SMB $IPTABLES -A OUTPUT -o $EXTIF -j SMB #Ident $IPTABLES -A OUTPUT -o $EXTIF -p tcp --sport 113 -j REJECT --reject-with tcp-reset ##Public services running ON FIREWALL-BOX (comment out to activate): # ftp-data #$IPTABLES -A OUTPUT -o $EXTIF -p tcp --sport 20 -j ACCEPT # ftp #$IPTABLES -A OUTPUT -o $EXTIF -p tcp --sport 21 -j ACCEPT # ssh #$IPTABLES -A OUTPUT -o $EXTIF -p tcp --sport 22 -m state --state ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT #telnet #$IPTABLES -A OUTPUT -o $EXTIF -p tcp --sport 23 -m state --state ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT # smtp #$IPTABLES -A OUTPUT -o $EXTIF -p tcp --sport 25 -m state --state ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT # DNS #$IPTABLES -A OUTPUT -o $EXTIF -p tcp --sport 53 -j ACCEPT #$IPTABLES -A OUTPUT -o $EXTIF -p udp --sport 53 -j ACCEPT # http #$IPTABLES -A OUTPUT -o $EXTIF -p tcp --sport 80 -m state --state ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT # https #$IPTABLES -A OUTPUT -o $EXTIF -p tcp --sport 443 -m state --state ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT # POP-3 #$IPTABLES -A OUTPUT -o $EXTIF -p tcp --sport 110 -m state --state ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT ##Accept all tcp/udp traffic on unprivileged ports going out $IPTABLES -A OUTPUT -o $EXTIF -s $EXTIP -p tcp --sport $UNPRIVPORTS -j ACCEPT $IPTABLES -A OUTPUT -o $EXTIF -s $EXTIP -p udp --sport $UNPRIVPORTS -j ACCEPT ##Catch all rule $IPTABLES -A OUTPUT -j LDROP #################### ## FORWARD-Chain ## (everything that passes the firewall) #################### ##GENERAL Filtering #Kill invalid packets (not ESTABLISHED, RELATED or NEW) $IPTABLES -A FORWARD -m state --state INVALID -j LINVALID # Check TCP-Packets for Bad Flags $IPTABLES -A FORWARD -p tcp -j CHECKBADFLAG ##Filtering FROM INTERNAL NET ##Silent Drops/Rejects (Things we don't want in our logs) #SMB $IPTABLES -A FORWARD -o $EXTIF -j SMB ##Special Drops/Rejects # - To be done - ##Filter for some Trojans communicating to outside # - To be done - ##Port-Forwarding from Ports < 1024 [outbound] (--> Also see chain PREROUTING) #HTTP-Forwarding #$IPTABLES -A FORWARD -o $EXTIF -s $HTTPIP -p tcp --sport 80 -j ACCEPT ##Allow all other forwarding (from Ports > 1024) from Internal Net to External Net $IPTABLES -A FORWARD -i $INTIF -o $EXTIF -s $INTLAN -p tcp --sport $UNPRIVPORTS -j ACCEPT $IPTABLES -A FORWARD -i $INTIF -o $EXTIF -s $INTLAN -p udp --sport $UNPRIVPORTS -j ACCEPT $IPTABLES -A FORWARD -i $INTIF -o $EXTIF -s $INTLAN -p icmp -j ACCEPT ##Filtering FROM EXTERNAL NET ##Silent Drops/Rejects (Things we don't want in our logs) #SMB $IPTABLES -A FORWARD -i $EXTIF -j SMB ##Allow replies coming in $IPTABLES -A FORWARD -i $EXTIF -m state --state ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT $IPTABLES -A FORWARD -i $EXTIF -p tcp --dport $UNPRIVPORTS -m state --state RELATED -j TCPACCEPT $IPTABLES -A FORWARD -i $EXTIF -p udp --dport $UNPRIVPORTS -m state --state RELATED -j ACCEPT $IPTABLES -A FORWARD -i $EXTIF -p icmp -m state --state RELATED -j ACCEPT ##Port-Forwarding [inbound] (--> Also see chain PREROUTING) #HTTP-Forwarding #$IPTABLES -A FORWARD -i $EXTIF -p tcp -d $HTTPIP --dport 80 -j ACCEPT #Battlecom-Forwarding #$IPTABLES -A FORWARD -p tcp --dport 2300:2400 -i $EXTIF -d $BATTLECOMIP -j ACCEPT #$IPTABLES -A FORWARD -p udp --dport 2300:2400 -i $EXTIF -d $BATTLECOMIP -j ACCEPT #$IPTABLES -A FORWARD -p tcp --dport 47624 -i $EXTIF -d $BATTLECOMIP -j ACCEPT ##Catch all rule/Deny every other forwarding $IPTABLES -A FORWARD -j LDROP ################ ## PREROUTING ## ################ ##Port-Forwarding (--> Also see chain FORWARD) ##HTTP #$IPTABLES -A PREROUTING -t nat -i $EXTIF -p tcp -d $EXTIP --dport 80 -j DNAT --to $HTTPIP ##Battlecom #$IPTABLES -t nat -A PREROUTING -d $EXTIP -p tcp --destination-port 2300:2400 -i $EXTIF -j DNAT --to $BATTLECOMIP #$IPTABLES -t nat -A PREROUTING -d $EXTIP -p udp --destination-port 2300:2400 -i $EXTIF -j DNAT --to $BATTLECOMIP #$IPTABLES -t nat -A PREROUTING -d $EXTIP -p tcp --destination-port 47624 -i $EXTIF -j DNAT --to $BATTLECOMIP:47624 ################### ## POSTROUTING ## ################### #Masquerade from Internal Net to External Net $IPTABLES -A POSTROUTING -t nat -o $EXTIF -j MASQUERADE #------End Ruleset------# echo "...done" echo "" echo "--> IPTABLES firewall loaded/activated <--" ##--------------------------------End Firewall---------------------------------## ;; *) echo "Usage: firewall (start|stop|restart|status) EXTIF INTIF" exit 1 esac exit 0 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Apr 3 22:20:02 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDE 3 (potential monthly meeting topic?) In-Reply-To: <1017890026.8527.7.camel@yafa>; from nassarsa@redconcepts.net on Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 09:13:46PM -0600 References: <1017890026.8527.7.camel@yafa> Message-ID: <20020403222010.N7475@real-time.com> Quoting Samir M. Nassar (nassarsa@redconcepts.net): > Id ftp.mn-linuxx.org a mirror for KDE 3? Nope. Only in what comes with skipjack. > Does anyone have experience with KDE 3? I think a good monthly meeting would be for a GNOME guru and and KDE guru to show off each. Show what is good and what is bad about each. Since I use X more or less like I did in the days of twm I'm not a very good person to give the talk :-) -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Apr 3 22:21:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Trouble with iptables script In-Reply-To: <2498.63.164.68.163.1017892448.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us>; from admin@support.lctn.k12.mn.us on Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 09:54:08PM -0600 References: <2498.63.164.68.163.1017892448.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <20020403222143.O7475@real-time.com> Quoting Raymond Norton (admin@support.lctn.k12.mn.us): > I am using the attached script on my local LAN, on a RedHat 7.1 box. At > first it works great for everything I need, but either time or maybe use > will cause it to stop working, and not allow any Internet traffic through. > The RedHat box looses Internet too. I have stopped the script, restarted > iptables, and then launched the script again, but it whines about not being > able to get an IP address on eth0. If I restart the box, and script, > everything works great for a while. Is eth0 statically assigned or dhcp assigned? Is eth0 your public interface or private interface? -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us Wed Apr 3 22:25:02 2002 From: admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Trouble with iptables script In-Reply-To: <20020403222143.O7475@real-time.com> References: <20020403222143.O7475@real-time.com> Message-ID: <2620.63.164.68.163.1017894182.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> > > Is eth0 statically assigned or dhcp assigned? > > Is eth0 your public interface or private interface? > > -- yes, it is the public Interface, and it uses DHCP. -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Apr 3 23:18:01 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (nassarmu@redconcepts.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vmware and gcc In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <63744.65.25.220.124.1017897477.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> > ok the version is vmware workstation 3.0, > The commands rpm -qa and rpm -qa | grep gcc did not return > anything before or after i executed rpm --rebuilddb my guess is that you should try to install gcc again, let us know if the error message comes up again -munir From spencer at autonomous.tv Thu Apr 4 00:17:01 2002 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDE 3 (potential monthly meeting topic?) In-Reply-To: <20020403222010.N7475@real-time.com> References: <1017890026.8527.7.camel@yafa> <20020403222010.N7475@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020404061641.GC19744@autonomous.tv> On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 10:20:10PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: >Quoting Samir M. Nassar (nassarsa@redconcepts.net): >> Id ftp.mn-linuxx.org a mirror for KDE 3? > yes it is a "module" kde3 (like main extra updates) The mirror is apt-ified for your convience. So anyone who knows how to use apt-get is good to go. And they have the kde3 tree to itself "12:01AM kde3 isn't for everyone 12:02AM so it's not in the default sources.list" >Nope. Only in what comes with skipjack. > >> Does anyone have experience with KDE 3? I am apt'n it ATM. > >I think a good monthly meeting would be for a GNOME guru and and KDE guru to >show off each. Show what is good and what is bad about each. I would love to hear that! > > The apt.ppc.rpm is not quite yet ready. It may be in the tree very soon. I got lucky and found one on penquinppc.org/~jeramy/ , but I think he was gonna chmod it? Anyway I suggest anyone that with a mac and a couple of G of space to check this out. It is getting better every day. (not that it isn't very nice ATM) Here is my sources.list. Note the #yellowdoglinux.com stuff, they are suppose to flip those switches soonish. ##################################### # Package repository URLs # # http://www.yellowdoglinux.com/apt/sources.lists will always have the # most current version of this file # # Official Yellow Dog Linux 2.2 package repositories. If these are busy, # please # use a mirror near you. # # signed repositories have a [tss] # if you remove it, no digital signature check will be made! # #rpm ftp://ftp.yellowdoglinux.com/pub/yellowdog apt/2.2 main extra #rpm-src ftp://ftp.yellowdoglinux.com/pub/yellowdog apt/2.2 main extra rpm ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/yellowdog apt/2.2 main extra kde3 #rpm-src ftp://mn-linux.org/linux/yellowdog apt/2.2 main extra updates #rpm ftp://ftp.yellowdoglinux.com/pub/yellowdog apt/2.2 update #rpm-src ftp://ftp.yellowdoglinux.com/pub/yellowdog apt/2.2 update #rpm ftp://mn-linux.org/linux/yellowdog apt/2.2 update #rpm-src ftp://mn-linux.org/linux/yellowdog apt/2.2 update ####################################### I gotta say I love apt. I have apt for RH. I have apt for osX(fink) and I have apt for YDL. mmmmmmm apt mmmmm apt-get install sleep > -- --*--SpencerUnderground--*-- http://autonomous.tv/ spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Oh well, these things happen. Anyway the YDL 2.2 stuff is apt-get able and it is great. KDE3 is apt-get able (ppc) and it is just fine. See the KDE3 thread for my real post. I am too tired to paste it. Besides it is a waste of bandwidth. -- --*--SpencerUnderground--*-- http://autonomous.tv/ spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020404/3b4c0bf5/attachment.pgp From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Apr 4 06:33:00 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Making config changes permanent, almost there In-Reply-To: <200204031508.g33F8vJ26410@webmail.bussefamily.com>; from mbusse@bussefamily.com on Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 09:08:57AM -0600 References: <200204031508.g33F8vJ26410@webmail.bussefamily.com> Message-ID: <20020404063428.I9030@techmonkeys.org> On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 09:08:57AM -0600, Michael Busse wrote: > Just built a linux router with 802.1q trunking. Works quite well. > Anyone have any ideas on how it'll compare, performance-wise, to a > Cisco router? The pc it's built on is a P166, 64MB RAM, 100MB NIC. > VLAN's, yum. As for a comparison to a Cisco router, it depends on what you're using it for. As a NAT/MASQ box it's better than a Cisco. If you're using static routes at 100Mbit I'd say the performance will be the same (make sure you check the 'optimize for router, not host' option in your kernel). If you're familiar with the interface to a Cisco router then you might be interested in using "zebra" instead of the linux console, it provides an almost exact copy of the Cisco enviroment on your PC (it even has bgpd, a BGP daemon). > Thanks, > > Mike > -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 From wilson at isis.visi.com Thu Apr 4 07:28:01 2002 From: wilson at isis.visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mozilla 0.9.9 ignoring CSS info? In-Reply-To: <1017876002.2787.0.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> Message-ID: On 3 Apr 2002, Dave Sherman wrote: > Yep. Could it be that Mozilla wants a proper ".css" file extension? I > noticed your file is global_css, with no extension at all. Well I started poking around, changing it to global.css, etc. I ended up changing it back to global_css and it starting working. I have no idea what I did. Oh well. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Thu Apr 4 10:48:02 2002 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vmware and gcc In-Reply-To: <63744.65.25.220.124.1017897477.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Message-ID: Ok got gcc installed, now the configuration script is throwing errors. Here is the output. Trying to find a suitable vmmon module for your running kernel. None of VMware Workstation's pre-built vmmon modules is suitable for your running kernel. Do you want this script to try to build the vmmon module for your system (you need to have a C compiler installed on your system)? [yes] What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel? [/lib/modules/2.4.7-10enterprise/build/include] Extracting the sources of the vmmon module. Building the vmmon module. make: Entering directory `/tmp/root-tmp.06c951ca537fa02b/files/vmware-config3/vmmon-only' make[1]: Entering directory `/tmp/root-tmp.06c951ca537fa02b/files/vmware-config3/vmmon-only' make[2]: Entering directory `/tmp/root-tmp.06c951ca537fa02b/files/vmware-config3/vmmon-only/driver-2.4.7-10enterprise' In file included from .././linux/driver.c:38: /lib/modules/2.4.7-10enterprise/build/include/linux/malloc.h:3: warning: #warning The Use of linux/malloc.h is deprecated, use linux/slab.h In file included from .././linux/hostif.c:26: /lib/modules/2.4.7-10enterprise/build/include/linux/malloc.h:3: warning: #warning The Use of linux/malloc.h is deprecated, use linux/slab.h .././linux/hostif.c:110: #error "64GB memory configuration is not supported." make[2]: *** [hostif.d] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/tmp/root-tmp.06c951ca537fa02b/files/vmware-config3/vmmon-only/driver-2.4.7-10enterprise' make[1]: *** [deps] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/root-tmp.06c951ca537fa02b/files/vmware-config3/vmmon-only' make: *** [auto-build] Error 2 make: Leaving directory `/tmp/root-tmp.06c951ca537fa02b/files/vmware-config3/vmmon-only' Unable to build the vmmon module. For more information on how to troubleshoot module-related problems, please have a look at "http://www.vmware.com/download/modules/modules.html". Execution aborted. On the website the suggest downgrading gcc. I applied for tech support but they need to register my s/n. The dumb web registration setup leads to a null page. Thanks Colin Kilbane From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Apr 4 11:27:01 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vmware and gcc In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, Colin Kilbane wrote: > Ok got gcc installed, now the configuration script is throwing errors. > Here is the output. > Trying to find a suitable vmmon module for your running kernel. this is normal > > None of VMware Workstation's pre-built vmmon modules is suitable for your > running kernel. Do you want this script to try to build the vmmon module > for > your system (you need to have a C compiler installed on your system)? > [yes] so is this > What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your > running > kernel? [/lib/modules/2.4.7-10enterprise/build/include] same here, except for one thing, why are you using the enterprise kernel? this is what is causing problems, why don't you get the latest kernels from redhat, 2.4.9-31 is the latest iirc > Extracting the sources of the vmmon module. > > Building the vmmon module. > > /lib/modules/2.4.7-10enterprise/build/include/linux/malloc.h:3: warning: > #warning The Use of linux/malloc.h is deprecated, use linux/slab.h > .././linux/hostif.c:110: #error "64GB memory configuration is not > supported." as you can see here it is complaining about one of the features of the enterprise kernel, your best bet is to use a "normal" kernel from redhat no need to downgrade GCC, a good thing to do if you compile a lot is to have another compiler at hand for situations like this i have gcc 3.0.3 installed as the default and i have 2.95.3(i think...) in /usr/local for better compatability with some applications... -munir From jspinti at dartdist.com Thu Apr 4 11:43:01 2002 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vmware and gcc In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1017941841.9114.8.camel@Dart-71_linux> On Thu, 2002-04-04 at 10:47, Colin Kilbane wrote: > Ok got gcc installed, now the configuration script is throwing errors. > Here is the output. > Trying to find a suitable vmmon module for your running kernel. > Unable to build the vmmon module. > > For more information on how to troubleshoot module-related problems, > please have > a look at "http://www.vmware.com/download/modules/modules.html". > > Execution aborted. > > Thanks > > Colin Kilbane Did you download the rpm module for workstation 3.0 on that page and then install it? That is all that you need to do if you are running a stock RH 7.2 kernel. -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 398 952-368-3255 fax From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Apr 4 17:07:02 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] April Fools [OT] In-Reply-To: <20020401142652.GA10343@wookimus.net> References: <20020401134835.0430B60339@friday.localdomain.fake> <20020401080745.A9995@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> <20020401142652.GA10343@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20020402183228.GE18212@wookimus.net> On Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 08:26:52AM -0600, Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > Yes, this is definitely an April Fools joke: Wow, that came through late. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:21 2005 Subject: chrooting things (was Re: [TCLUG] RedHat7.2 and CVS questions) In-Reply-To: References: <00c901c1da77$f7009b20$1000000a@INTERTECHSYS.COM> Message-ID: <20020402203344.GF18212@wookimus.net> On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 01:51:55PM -0600, David Blevins wrote: > For maximum security, run a chroot'ed cvs. I don't see any howto's on > chroot'ing cvs specifically, but there is one on bind. The idea is > the same, you should be able to figure out how to setup cvs to run the > same way. Chroot is a fairly simple concept. When you run chroot(8), you must be root to do so. shell# chroot If "command" is not supplied, chroot will try to run /bin/sh relative to the directory you specified. shell# chroot /tmp/chroot1 # actually runs /tmp/chroot1/bin/sh However, when you're inside a chroot environment, you do not have access to the parent directory. You are "trapped" at /tmp/chroot1 and are lead to believe that it is the acutual root directory "/". Here's where chroot gets a bit complicated. In order to run chroot effectively, you need a few essential files and directories. For example, you'll need /etc as well as /etc/resolv.conf, /etc/hosts, /etc/networks, /etc/nsswitch, and /etc/passwd. If you wonder why you sometimes see an "./etc" directory in let's say /var/lib/mydaemon, it's probably because "mydaemon" can run in a chroot environment and the basic files needed are located there. Now, that's not the end of it. In order to run an application in a chroot environment, it must have all the necessary libraries and utils to run. Let's say the application uses shared libraries. You will need the /lib directory and any libraries that the application needs, which you can find with ldd(1). However, this only finds those library files necessary for linking at compile time. The application may use the dynamic load library functions to load libraries at run-time. The only way to find these is to either read the source code of the program or run a program like strace(1). With strace, you can see all the system calls a program makes, including fopen(). For this reason, it is sometimes easier to simply recompile the application you wish to chroot as a static binary. Now, let's say the application actually uses calls like system(), exec() or fork(). You now need to know the names of child applications or those that your target application depends upon. Maybe it needs a POSIX shell, or perhaps ssh. Time to copy those apps and their dependancies as well. Building a chroot geol/jail can be a time consuming process, but it does have its benefits. If an attacker does get "root" access from a running, chroot'ed daemon, they simply get root in that chroot environment. The damage to the system is minimal, being only that found in the chroot environment. There are ways to break out of a chroot geol, but at least the hurdles are in place. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020404/d8217b8d/attachment.pgp From peter-clark at tides.com Thu Apr 4 17:07:56 2002 From: peter-clark at tides.com (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Win9x keys and others Message-ID: <200204030021.g330LC226178@pimout1-int.prodigy.net> So I was on another mailing list, helping someone out with their "compose" key, when I thought, "Hey, what else can I do with these keys?" I've got a pc104 keyboard, which means three "Windows" keys at the bottom. The right "flying Windows" key (code 116) is already mapped by default to the "compose" key. KDE lets one create program short-cuts, so I started mapping my favorite programs to the left "flying Windows" (code 115) key + mnemonic key, such as "q" for "Quake3". :) But that still leaves that little menu key (code 117). I don't want to map it to a menu, since I really don't use menus much. And, come to think of it, there are other dead keys, such as Print Screen/SysRq, Scroll Lock, and Pause/Break. Do any of you have creative/useful ideas for better use of the keys? :Peter From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Apr 4 17:08:10 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TIP: BASH and ssh-agent Message-ID: <20020403151524.GB25577@wookimus.net> Just a tip for using ssh-agent(1) effectively in BASH(1). If you take advantage of functions, you can reduce the number of ssh-agent's you have running on any one system to one per host. An added advantage is that if you can refresh/set the ssh-agent environment with any open shell on that host. # sagent -- Update current environment w/ssh-agent # * Checks for presense of stamp file, sources it # * Checks for presense of ssh-agent process # * Starts ssh-agent if not already running, saving stamp file sagent(){ if [ -e $HOME/.ssh-agent.$HOSTNAME ] then source $HOME/.ssh-agent.$HOSTNAME if (ps -ef|grep $USER|grep -v grep|grep $SSH_AGENT_PID > \ /dev/null) then return 0 else rm $HOME/.ssh-agent.$HOSTNAME fi fi eval $(ssh-agent -s|tee $HOME/.ssh-agent.$HOSTNAME) } Quick summary of ssh-agent: allows you to type in a password once for any private key you add. bash$ ssh-add A good alias to include with the above function is 'addids'. # addids -- Add known SSH keys alias addids="ssh-add ~/.ssh/id{entity,_dsa,_rsa}" -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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[-- PGP output follows (current time: Thu Apr 4 17:20:17 2002) --] Key ring: '/tmp/ptmpDBMUox' Type Bits KeyID Created Expires Algorithm Use pub 2048 0xAF24A101 2002-03-26 ---------- RSA Sign & Encrypt uid Amy Tanner uid Amy Tanner uid Amy Tanner 1 matching key found Good signature made 2002-04-04 23:08 GMT by key: 2048 bits, Key ID AF24A101, Created 2002-03-26 "Amy Tanner " "Amy Tanner " "Amy Tanner " Opening file "/dev/null" type text. Opening file "Temporary PGP Keyfile" type binary. Copying key file to "/tmp/ptmpDBMUox", running pgpk to process it... pgpk -a /tmp/ptmpDBMUox +batchmode -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From xpoverby at attbi.com Thu Apr 4 17:46:02 2002 From: xpoverby at attbi.com (Paul Overby) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Making config changes permanent, almost there References: <200204031508.g33F8vJ26410@webmail.bussefamily.com> Message-ID: <3CACE5FF.2982A1AE@attbi.com> Michael Busse wrote: > > If you add > net/ipv4/ip_forward=1 > to the /etc/sysctl.conf, do you still need to use the > echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward > > Just built a linux router with 802.1q trunking. Works quite well. > Anyone have any ideas on how it'll compare, performance-wise, to a > Cisco router? The pc it's built on is a P166, 64MB RAM, 100MB NIC. > No, it is not necessary -- Paul Overby xpoverby@attbi.com From mitc0185 at tc.umn.edu Thu Apr 4 17:57:00 2002 From: mitc0185 at tc.umn.edu (Erik Mitchell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Win9x keys and others References: <200204030021.g330LC226178@pimout1-int.prodigy.net> Message-ID: <3CACE7CB.30009@tc.umn.edu> Well, Nobody knows me, but I'm coming to the meeting on Saturday, so I guess you'll meet me there. Peter Clark wrote: > So I was on another mailing list, helping someone out with their "compose" >key, when I thought, "Hey, what else can I do with these keys?" I've got a >pc104 keyboard, which means three "Windows" keys at the bottom. The right >"flying Windows" key (code 116) is already mapped by default to the "compose" >key. KDE lets one create program short-cuts, so I started mapping my favorite >programs to the left "flying Windows" (code 115) key + mnemonic key, such as >"q" for "Quake3". :) But that still leaves that little menu key (code 117). I >don't want to map it to a menu, since I really don't use menus much. And, >come to think of it, there are other dead keys, such as Print Screen/SysRq, >Scroll Lock > I know that if you have a KVM switch (keyboard, video, and mouse) to use more than one computer at a time you can usually double tap the scroll lock key and then choose number 1-x (where x is the number of ports on your switch) to go back and forth between computers. It comes in really handy for me, I have two computers at work and three at home. >, and Pause/Break. Do any of you have creative/useful ideas for >better use of the keys? > :Peter >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >. > Hope that helps!! Erik M irc: emitch -- Hobbes: How come we play war and not peace? Calvin: Too few role models. /The Essential Calvin and Hobbes, p72/ From trammell at trammell.dyndns.org Thu Apr 4 18:02:25 2002 From: trammell at trammell.dyndns.org (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PGP message in mutt, how to make them more quiet? In-Reply-To: <20020404172452.D10876@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 05:24:52PM -0600 References: <20020404172452.D10876@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020404180219.B29852@trammell.dyndns.org> On Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 05:24:52PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > I love GNUPG, but the info mutt embeds into your message is getting a little > long for me. > > Is there a way to make GNUPG or mutt a little more quiet? gpg --no-verbose? -- johntrammell@yahoo.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Mailing List http://www.mn-linux.org Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota irc.openprojects.net #tclug From natecars at real-time.com Thu Apr 4 18:47:00 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Official mirror for yellowdog linux In-Reply-To: <20020403203110.N31911@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > ftp.mn-linux.org is not an official mirror for yellowdog linux. not or now? :) > ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/yellowdog/ > > I am also mirroring the ximian gnome yellowdog stuff as well: > > ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/ximian/ximian-gnome/yellowdog-21-ppc/ > ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/ximian/ximian-gnome/yellowdog-20-ppc/ > > Since 2.2 was just released there are no 2.2 ximian gnome rpms yet. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From gsker at tcfreenet.org Thu Apr 4 19:28:00 2002 From: gsker at tcfreenet.org (Gerry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Win9x keys and others In-Reply-To: <200204030021.g330LC226178@pimout1-int.prodigy.net> Message-ID: My Pause key is always tied to Raise/Lower a window. On Tue, 2 Apr 2002, Peter Clark wrote: > Scroll Lock, and Pause/Break. Do any of you have creative/useful ideas for > better use of the keys? > :Peter -- Gerry Skerbitz gsker@tcfreenet.org From clay at fandre.com Thu Apr 4 19:38:01 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TIP: BASH and ssh-agent References: <20020403151524.GB25577@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <3CAD0016.9000503@fandre.com> I'd suggest using keychain. It automatically takes care of all of this for you. http://www.gentoo.org/projects/keychain/ Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > Just a tip for using ssh-agent(1) effectively in BASH(1). If you take > advantage of functions, you can reduce the number of ssh-agent's you > have running on any one system to one per host. An added advantage is > that if you can refresh/set the ssh-agent environment with any open > shell on that host. > > # sagent -- Update current environment w/ssh-agent > # * Checks for presense of stamp file, sources it > # * Checks for presense of ssh-agent process > # * Starts ssh-agent if not already running, saving stamp file > sagent(){ > if [ -e $HOME/.ssh-agent.$HOSTNAME ] > then > source $HOME/.ssh-agent.$HOSTNAME > > if (ps -ef|grep $USER|grep -v grep|grep $SSH_AGENT_PID > \ > /dev/null) > then > return 0 > else > rm $HOME/.ssh-agent.$HOSTNAME > fi > fi > > eval $(ssh-agent -s|tee $HOME/.ssh-agent.$HOSTNAME) > } > > Quick summary of ssh-agent: allows you to type in a password once for > any private key you add. > > bash$ ssh-add > > A good alias to include with the above function is 'addids'. > > # addids -- Add known SSH keys > alias addids="ssh-add ~/.ssh/id{entity,_dsa,_rsa}" > From tanner at real-time.com Thu Apr 4 20:45:02 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Official mirror for yellowdog linux In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 06:47:45PM -0600 References: <20020403203110.N31911@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020404204534.M10876@real-time.com> Quoting natecars@real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com): > On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > > ftp.mn-linux.org is not an official mirror for yellowdog linux. > > not or now? :) Now. Thanks for pointing out my errors to the world! :-P -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Apr 4 21:14:00 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HOWTO/FAQ(?) adding a driver to the kernel? Message-ID: <20020404211355.P10876@real-time.com> Is there a HOWTO/FAQ(?) on adding a driver to the kernel? I mean I can hack the Makefile and such, but I want to know of there is some sort of proper procedure to follow. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From david.blevins at visi.com Thu Apr 4 23:45:02 2002 From: david.blevins at visi.com (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie Emacs experience Message-ID: As our meeting topic this month is Emacs vs. Vi, I'm attempting to drop my normal editor (SlickEdit) momentarily and use Emacs. I already have vi experience, but hope to capture the newbie emacs experience. I'm posting my perspective for the benefit of our speaker and meeting attendees. First things I notice that I liked: -Regular expression searches -Three file merging ability (cool) -Super fancy color coding First thing I want but can't find: -Source code beautifier -How do I select something? More later. No comments required, these are just notes for the meeting. -David From tanner at real-time.com Fri Apr 5 00:49:00 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie Emacs experience In-Reply-To: ; from david.blevins@visi.com on Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 11:43:59PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20020405004922.F1902@real-time.com> Quoting David Blevins (david.blevins@visi.com): > First thing I want but can't find: > -Source code beautifier Font-lock mode. Add to your .emacs (this is a very trivial example). Emacs config can be a black art: '(global-font-lock-mode t nil (font-lock)) Look under Help->Customize too > -How do I select something? C-Space (mark), move cursor to where you want, perform command, like C-w wipes (erases) from the mark to the cursor. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Apr 5 02:15:01 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Win9x keys and others In-Reply-To: <200204030021.g330LC226178@pimout1-int.prodigy.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Apr 2002, Peter Clark wrote: > come to think of it, there are other dead keys, such as Print Screen/SysRq, > Scroll Lock, and Pause/Break. Do any of you have creative/useful ideas for > better use of the keys? the print screen/SysRq is a very important key, i would not remap it if my life depended on it, why? because it is magic... thats right, the Magic SysRq key in combination with ALT and certain letters can do magic to a kernel that is all but dead, read up on it in the kernel documentation, but here is a quickie: Alt-SysRq-S - this is an emergency HDD sync tool, Alt-SysRq-U - this is an emergency HDD RO-remounter and ALT-SysRq-B - this resets the computer as for the scroll lock key: try this in console type something, press the scrolllock key (light goes on) and type some more... notice something? i have yet to find a usefullness for this though and as for Break, i beliece you can send a Ctrl-Break and it is similar as Ctrl-C... but i am not certain on this -munir From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri Apr 5 03:45:02 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PGP message in mutt, how to make them more quiet? In-Reply-To: <20020404172452.D10876@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 05:24:52PM -0600 References: <20020404172452.D10876@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020405034649.N9030@techmonkeys.org> On Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 05:24:52PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > I love GNUPG, but the info mutt embeds into your message is getting a little > long for me. > > Is there a way to make GNUPG or mutt a little more quiet? > Yikes, what do you have in .muttrc for pgp_verify_command? -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 From nate at refried.org Fri Apr 5 07:56:02 2002 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TIP: BASH and ssh-agent In-Reply-To: <3CAD0016.9000503@fandre.com> References: <20020403151524.GB25577@wookimus.net> <3CAD0016.9000503@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20020405140001.GA577@refried.org> On Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 07:38:30PM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: > Chad C. Walstrom wrote: > >Just a tip for using ssh-agent(1) effectively in BASH(1). If you take > >advantage of functions, you can reduce the number of ssh-agent's you > >have running on any one system to one per host. An added advantage is > >that if you can refresh/set the ssh-agent environment with any open > >shell on that host. > > I'd suggest using keychain. It automatically takes care of all of this > for you. > http://www.gentoo.org/projects/keychain/ Or if you're a Debian user, add the line "use-ssh-agent" to /etc/X11/Xsession.options. ssh-agent will start for you before you get into X[1]. Nate [1] I know, not everyone uses X, but if you do, IMHO, this is the easiest way to get ssh-agent working. From bradyh at bitstream.net Fri Apr 5 13:04:01 2002 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Zombie Processes Message-ID: <1018033623.10834.95.camel@localhost.localdomain> I've got hundreds of these bogging down my machine: bradyh 28812 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z Mar22 0:00 [sh ] bradyh 28813 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z Mar22 0:00 [sh ] bradyh 28814 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z Mar22 0:00 [sh ] bradyh 28815 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z Mar22 0:00 [sh ] bradyh 28816 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z Mar22 0:00 [sh ] bradyh 28817 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z Mar22 0:00 [sh ] bradyh 28818 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z Mar22 0:00 [sh ] ... Is there any way to get rid of them aside from rebooting? No form of kill seems to work on them. Thanks, Brady From list at slushpupie.com Fri Apr 5 13:10:17 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Zombie Processes In-Reply-To: <1018033623.10834.95.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1018033623.10834.95.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20020405191204.09AFF60339@friday.localdomain.fake> Try 'ps auxf' to see if they are the kids of another process - and kill that one. On Friday 7805 April 2002 01:07 pm, you wrote: > I've got hundreds of these bogging down my machine: > > bradyh 28812 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z Mar22 0:00 [sh > ] bradyh 28813 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z Mar22 0:00 > [sh ] bradyh 28814 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z Mar22 > 0:00 [sh ] bradyh 28815 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z Mar22 > 0:00 [sh ] bradyh 28816 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z > Mar22 0:00 [sh ] bradyh 28817 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z > Mar22 0:00 [sh ] bradyh 28818 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? > Z Mar22 0:00 [sh ] ... > > Is there any way to get rid of them aside from rebooting? No form of kill > seems to work on them. > > Thanks, > Brady > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Apr 5 13:44:01 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Zombie Processes In-Reply-To: <1018033623.10834.95.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Last i had a Zombie process i had to wait it out and it went away by itself, try going down to single user mode and back, thats what fixored another occurence -munir From wlayer at attbi.com Fri Apr 5 13:57:01 2002 From: wlayer at attbi.com (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Zombie Processes In-Reply-To: <1018033623.10834.95.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1018033623.10834.95.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20020405135321.49c99e52.wlayer@attbi.com> On 05 Apr 2002 13:07:03 -0600 Brady Hegberg wrote: > I've got hundreds of these bogging down my machine: > > bradyh 28812 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z Mar22 0:00 [sh > ] > Is there any way to get rid of them aside from rebooting? No form of > kill seems to work on them. kill -9 doesn't help get rid of zombies. Nothing does. They are dead - hence the name. A process is only removed from the process table when it's parent (the process which created it) acknowledges its death. If the parent doesn't acknowledge the child's death, the child sits in the process table as a zombie. Normally the init process will reap zombies when the parent process dies, but this sometimes doesn't happen quite right. Zombie processes don't take up any resources (they are dead) except for an entry in the process table. As long as your process table isn't full, they are harmless. If your process table is full the only way to get rid of them is to reboot. If you are having constant problems you need to track down the process which is forking children but not reaping them and fix it. -.bill.layer.- .-frogtown.mn.usa.- From david.blevins at visi.com Fri Apr 5 15:16:01 2002 From: david.blevins at visi.com (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Win9x keys and others In-Reply-To: <3CACE7CB.30009@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: Erik Mitchell wrote: > I know that if you have a KVM switch (keyboard, video, and mouse) to use > more than one computer at a time you can usually double tap the scroll > lock key and then choose number 1-x (where x is the number of ports on > your switch) to go back and forth between computers. That is a great tip! I always get so tired of pushing the select button several times just to go from port 2 back to port 1. Thanks! David From joelr at ellegon.com Fri Apr 5 15:21:01 2002 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Zombie Processes In-Reply-To: <1018033623.10834.95.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1018033623.10834.95.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200204051520.56686@ellegon.com> On Friday 05 April 2002 01:07 pm, you wrote: > I've got hundreds of these bogging down my machine: > > bradyh 28812 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z Mar22 0:00 [sh > ] bradyh 28813 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z Mar22 0:00 > [sh ] bradyh 28814 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z Mar22 > 0:00 [sh ] bradyh 28815 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z Mar22 > 0:00 [sh ] bradyh 28816 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z > Mar22 0:00 [sh ] bradyh 28817 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z > Mar22 0:00 [sh ] bradyh 28818 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? > Z Mar22 0:00 [sh ] ... > > Is there any way to get rid of them aside from rebooting? No form of kill > seems to work on them. I think you have to bury them at midnight with a stake -- No, that's vampire processes. Nevermind. -- ------------------------------------- There's a widow in sleepy Chester Who weeps for her only son; There's a grave on the Pabeng River, A grave that the Burmans shun, And there's Subadar Prag Tewarri Who tells how the work was done. ------------------------------------- From joelr at ellegon.com Fri Apr 5 15:28:01 2002 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie Emacs experience In-Reply-To: <20020405004922.F1902@real-time.com> References: <20020405004922.F1902@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200204051526.37424@ellegon.com> On Friday 05 April 2002 12:49 am, you wrote: > Emacs config can be a > black art: > Very much so. See http://www.dotfiles.com for a pretty good bunch of configuration files. -- ------------------------------------- There's a widow in sleepy Chester Who weeps for her only son; There's a grave on the Pabeng River, A grave that the Burmans shun, And there's Subadar Prag Tewarri Who tells how the work was done. ------------------------------------- From garay002 at tc.umn.edu Fri Apr 5 15:48:01 2002 From: garay002 at tc.umn.edu (Rodney G. Garayt) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows emulation programs Message-ID: <3CAE1B95.E85AFC57@tc.umn.edu> Is there an emulator, such as Wine or Cygwin or whatever, that I can install on my pc without having to re-partition my drive? I need to run some windows apps. I have Mandrake-Linux 8.0 only - no dual boot obviously. I believe it's correct that you have to have a 'Windows' partition to run Wine or Cygwin right? From nassarsa at redconcepts.net Fri Apr 5 15:53:00 2002 From: nassarsa at redconcepts.net (Samir M. Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows emulation programs In-Reply-To: <3CAE1B95.E85AFC57@tc.umn.edu> References: <3CAE1B95.E85AFC57@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <1018044442.10840.9.camel@yafa> > obviously. I believe it's correct that you have to have a 'Windows' > partition to run Wine or Cygwin right? No. WINE will create a fake windows partition in your /home/Asterix/ directory. -- Samir M. Nassar - nassarsa@redconcepts.net RedConcepts.NET - Open Source, Public Service 'Open Source, Open Systems, Open Borders, Open Minds' Fingerprint = 4D04 E209 3FE5 DA25 A873 DD79 BD77 4511 BB2B AB9F From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Apr 5 15:54:01 2002 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows emulation programs In-Reply-To: <3CAE1B95.E85AFC57@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: Hello, On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, Rodney G. Garayt wrote: > Is there an emulator, such as Wine or Cygwin or whatever, that I can > install on my pc without having to re-partition my drive? I need to run > some windows apps. I have Mandrake-Linux 8.0 only - no dual boot > obviously. I believe it's correct that you have to have a 'Windows' > partition to run Wine or Cygwin right? Cygwin runs under Windows, so it won't help you here. Wine doesnt' really require a Windows installation anymore. There are documents about that on Wine's page and all. I have actually run some Windows apps without installing Windows. VMWare is really the best option, but it (A) Isn't an emulator, it's a virtual machine, and (B) You'll need to install Windows. However, you won't need to repartition your drive. Oh, it costs money, too. Check out www.vmware.com. Ask if you need more info. -Yaron -- From garay002 at tc.umn.edu Fri Apr 5 15:54:13 2002 From: garay002 at tc.umn.edu (Rodney G. Garayt) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Getting rid of monitoring tool Message-ID: <3CAE1D25.2F8E6F2C@tc.umn.edu> Some time ago I was looking around the system (KDE) and there was a monitoring tool that looked interesting so I went ahead and said ok to it and it parked itself on the task bar over on the right next to the clock, etc. This thing has this smile/frown thing going and warns me of app that are taking up too much time/resources. I hate the thing! I can't get rid of it though. There's no option to remove it that I can find. If you know what I'm talking about, can you tell me how I can get that thing to not fire up when KDE comes up. Thanks. Help... before I go mad! From joelr at ellegon.com Fri Apr 5 15:59:00 2002 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows emulation programs In-Reply-To: <3CAE1B95.E85AFC57@tc.umn.edu> References: <3CAE1B95.E85AFC57@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <200204051557.1099@ellegon.com> On Friday 05 April 2002 03:48 pm, you wrote: > Is there an emulator, such as Wine or Cygwin or whatever, that I can > install on my pc without having to re-partition my drive? Wine and VMWare both use "virtual partitions" -- in the case of VMWare, it's a file on your drive; in Wine, I believe, it's a directory. If cost isn't an object, I recommend VMWare -- when I was playing with it on my system, it ran stuff under Win2K faster than the same hardware used to when it was actually running Win2K. -- ------------------------------------- There's a widow in sleepy Chester Who weeps for her only son; There's a grave on the Pabeng River, A grave that the Burmans shun, And there's Subadar Prag Tewarri Who tells how the work was done. ------------------------------------- From garay002 at tc.umn.edu Fri Apr 5 16:03:01 2002 From: garay002 at tc.umn.edu (Rodney G. Garayt) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows emulation programs References: <3CAE1B95.E85AFC57@tc.umn.edu> <1018044442.10840.9.camel@yafa> Message-ID: <3CAE1F19.52885A@tc.umn.edu> I'm still trying to understand some of the particularities of the Linux file system - how it's organized and in particular what happens when installing software. I'm very familiar with windows but haven't gotten the hang of it on Linux yet. Your response leads me to this question: If a "fake windows partition in your /home/Rodney/ directory" gets created, does that mean that only Rodney will be able to access it? Will other users be able to access it also? (This definitely has the ring of a stupid question but... ignorance isn't bliss.) "Samir M. Nassar" wrote: > > > obviously. I believe it's correct that you have to have a 'Windows' > > partition to run Wine or Cygwin right? > > > No. WINE will create a fake windows partition in your /home/Asterix/ > directory. > > -- > Samir M. Nassar - nassarsa@redconcepts.net > RedConcepts.NET - Open Source, Public Service > 'Open Source, Open Systems, Open Borders, Open Minds' > Fingerprint = 4D04 E209 3FE5 DA25 A873 DD79 BD77 4511 BB2B AB9F > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bradyh at bitstream.net Fri Apr 5 16:06:02 2002 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Zombie Processes In-Reply-To: <20020405191204.09AFF60339@friday.localdomain.fake> References: <1018033623.10834.95.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20020405191204.09AFF60339@friday.localdomain.fake> Message-ID: <1018044503.11623.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hey that's cool! I didn't know you could do that with ps. They were being spawned by a program called hyperbola - killed that and now they're gone. Thanks. > Try 'ps auxf' to see if they are the kids of another process - and kill that > one. > > On Friday 7805 April 2002 01:07 pm, you wrote: > > I've got hundreds of these bogging down my machine: > > > > bradyh 28812 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z Mar22 0:00 [sh > > ] bradyh 28813 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z Mar22 0:00 > > [sh ] bradyh 28814 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z Mar22 > > 0:00 [sh ] bradyh 28815 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z Mar22 > > 0:00 [sh ] bradyh 28816 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z > > Mar22 0:00 [sh ] bradyh 28817 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z > > Mar22 0:00 [sh ] bradyh 28818 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? > > Z Mar22 0:00 [sh ] ... > > > > Is there any way to get rid of them aside from rebooting? No form of kill > > seems to work on them. > > > > Thanks, > > Brady From nassarsa at redconcepts.net Fri Apr 5 16:17:01 2002 From: nassarsa at redconcepts.net (Samir M. Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows emulation programs In-Reply-To: <3CAE1F19.52885A@tc.umn.edu> References: <3CAE1B95.E85AFC57@tc.umn.edu> <1018044442.10840.9.camel@yafa> <3CAE1F19.52885A@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <1018045895.10841.61.camel@yafa> > I'm still trying to understand some of the particularities of the Linux file > system - how it's organized and in particular what happens when installing > software. I'm very familiar with windows but haven't gotten the hang of it on > Linux yet. Your response leads me to this question: If a "fake windows > partition in your /home/Rodney/ directory" gets created, does that mean that > only Rodney will be able to access it? Will other users be able to access it > also? > (This definitely has the ring of a stupid question but... ignorance isn't > bliss.) Well, WINE installs your fake window partition there by default, but you could just create it in pretty much anything. OTOH, you can allow access to /home/Asterix/ to all people who are likely to use the box. This shouldn't impact the rest of your directory. However it _might_, I guess I would recommend setting up a new user 'Obelix' and creating the fake windows directory in /home/obelix/ and then have that directory accessible by the variety of users if that is what you need. I hope that helps.. If I am wrong or otherwise in error I am sure that others will chime in... -- Samir M. Nassar - nassarsa@redconcepts.net RedConcepts.NET - Open Source, Public Service 'Open Source, Open Systems, Open Borders, Open Minds' Fingerprint = 4D04 E209 3FE5 DA25 A873 DD79 BD77 4511 BB2B AB9F From joel at joelschneider.net Fri Apr 5 16:19:01 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows emulation programs In-Reply-To: <3CAE1F19.52885A@tc.umn.edu>; from garay002@tc.umn.edu on Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 04:03:05PM -0600 References: <3CAE1B95.E85AFC57@tc.umn.edu> <1018044442.10840.9.camel@yafa> <3CAE1F19.52885A@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20020405161949.H30542@joelschneider.net> On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 04:03:05PM -0600, Rodney G. Garayt wrote: > I'm still trying to understand some of the particularities of the Linux file > system - how it's organized and in particular what happens when installing > software. I'm very familiar with windows but haven't gotten the hang of it on > Linux yet. Your response leads me to this question: If a "fake windows > partition in your /home/Rodney/ directory" gets created, does that mean that > only Rodney will be able to access it? Will other users be able to access it > also? Wine can map Windows drive letters to linux directories. For example, CodeWeavers CrossOver Office v1.0.0 set up the following drive mappings by default on my Red Hat 7.3 beta machine: C: fake_windows (${HOME}/cxoffice/dotwine/cxoffice/fake_windows) M: /mnt/cdrom X: /tmp Y: ${HOME} Z: / -- Joel Schneider Yan Xin Qigong in Minneapolis joel@joelschneider.net http://yanxinqigong.minneapolis.mn.us/ From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Fri Apr 5 16:24:01 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian D. Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PGP message in mutt, how to make them more quiet? In-Reply-To: <20020404172452.D10876@real-time.com> References: <20020404172452.D10876@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020405222429.GL21927@8ball.wox.org> On Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 05:24:52PM -0600, Bob Tanner wrote: > I love GNUPG, but the info mutt embeds into your message is getting a little > long for me. > > Is there a way to make GNUPG or mutt a little more quiet? When I use gpg, I just have it source the example gpg.rc file that comes with mutt. It outputs much less than what you posted. It's in /usr/share/doc/mutt/examples/ on my machine -- Brian Hicks This message would self-destruct in 10 seconds, except I'm not that clever. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020405/c2b7fea5/attachment.pgp From joel at joelschneider.net Fri Apr 5 16:25:03 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows emulation programs In-Reply-To: <20020405161949.H30542@joelschneider.net>; from joel@joelschneider.net on Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 04:19:49PM -0600 References: <3CAE1B95.E85AFC57@tc.umn.edu> <1018044442.10840.9.camel@yafa> <3CAE1F19.52885A@tc.umn.edu> <20020405161949.H30542@joelschneider.net> Message-ID: <20020405162459.I30542@joelschneider.net> On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 04:19:49PM -0600, Joel Schneider wrote: > C: fake_windows (${HOME}/cxoffice/dotwine/cxoffice/fake_windows) Correction - should have said: C: fake_windows (${HOME}/cxoffice/support/dotwine/fake_windows) -- Joel Schneider Yan Xin Qigong in Minneapolis joel@joelschneider.net http://yanxinqigong.minneapolis.mn.us/ From joelr at ellegon.com Fri Apr 5 16:27:01 2002 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows emulation programs In-Reply-To: <20020405161949.H30542@joelschneider.net> References: <3CAE1B95.E85AFC57@tc.umn.edu> <3CAE1F19.52885A@tc.umn.edu> <20020405161949.H30542@joelschneider.net> Message-ID: <200204051624.04564@ellegon.com> On Friday 05 April 2002 04:19 pm, you wrote: > On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 04:03:05PM -0600, Rodney G. Garayt wrote: > > I'm still trying to understand some of the particularities of the Linux > > file system - how it's organized and in particular what happens when > > installing software. I'm very familiar with windows but haven't gotten > > the hang of it on Linux yet. Your response leads me to this question: > > If a "fake windows partition in your /home/Rodney/ directory" gets > > created, does that mean that only Rodney will be able to access it? Will > > other users be able to access it also? > > Wine can map Windows drive letters to linux directories. For example, > CodeWeavers CrossOver Office v1.0.0 set up the following drive mappings > by default on my Red Hat 7.3 beta machine: > > C: fake_windows (${HOME}/cxoffice/dotwine/cxoffice/fake_windows) > M: /mnt/cdrom > X: /tmp > Y: ${HOME} > Z: / Which leads me to wonder if a Windows virus will be allowed to play havoc with anything in the ~/ directory, or anything subordinate to it. Anybody know? If you don't map the ~/ directory to a drive, and say, create ~/windowshome , could it still get to the ~/ directory? -- ------------------------------------- There's a widow in sleepy Chester Who weeps for her only son; There's a grave on the Pabeng River, A grave that the Burmans shun, And there's Subadar Prag Tewarri Who tells how the work was done. ------------------------------------- From garay002 at tc.umn.edu Fri Apr 5 16:36:01 2002 From: garay002 at tc.umn.edu (Rodney G. Garayt) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Colour printer recommendation Message-ID: <3CAE26F9.44B0CFC2@tc.umn.edu> Any ideas on a colour printer that'll work with MandrakeLinux 8.0? It's just for kids homework so doesn't have to be too fancy. From garay002 at tc.umn.edu Fri Apr 5 16:42:01 2002 From: garay002 at tc.umn.edu (Rodney G. Garayt) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows emulation programs References: Message-ID: <3CAE283F.49AF29E@tc.umn.edu> VMware costs 200 and that's how much win200 costs so it wouldn't make much sense for me to do that. It'd just make sense to buy win200 - which I refuse to do in spite of my kids complaints. Rotten kids will thank me one day when all that's left is Linux! lol Yaron wrote: > Hello, > > On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, Rodney G. Garayt wrote: > > > Is there an emulator, such as Wine or Cygwin or whatever, that I can > > install on my pc without having to re-partition my drive? I need to run > > some windows apps. I have Mandrake-Linux 8.0 only - no dual boot > > obviously. I believe it's correct that you have to have a 'Windows' > > partition to run Wine or Cygwin right? > > Cygwin runs under Windows, so it won't help you here. > > Wine doesnt' really require a Windows installation anymore. There are > documents about that on Wine's page and all. I have actually run some > Windows apps without installing Windows. > > VMWare is really the best option, but it (A) Isn't an emulator, it's a > virtual machine, and (B) You'll need to install Windows. However, you > won't need to repartition your drive. Oh, it costs money, too. Check out > www.vmware.com. > > Ask if you need more info. > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Fri Apr 5 16:43:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Zombie Processes In-Reply-To: <1018033623.10834.95.camel@localhost.localdomain>; from bradyh@bitstream.net on Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 01:07:03PM -0600 References: <1018033623.10834.95.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20020405164324.E23865@real-time.com> Quoting Brady Hegberg (bradyh@bitstream.net): > I've got hundreds of these bogging down my machine: > > bradyh 28812 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z Mar22 0:00 [sh ] > bradyh 28813 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z Mar22 0:00 [sh ] > bradyh 28814 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z Mar22 0:00 [sh ] > bradyh 28815 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z Mar22 0:00 [sh ] > bradyh 28816 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z Mar22 0:00 [sh ] > bradyh 28817 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z Mar22 0:00 [sh ] > bradyh 28818 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z Mar22 0:00 [sh ] Do a ps -ef and look for the PPID (parent process) and kill that, if it's not init. You can't kill them because they are already dead, thus the zombie nomer. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From joel at joelschneider.net Fri Apr 5 16:47:01 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows emulation programs In-Reply-To: <200204051624.04564@ellegon.com>; from joelr@ellegon.com on Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 04:26:41PM -0600 References: <3CAE1B95.E85AFC57@tc.umn.edu> <3CAE1F19.52885A@tc.umn.edu> <20020405161949.H30542@joelschneider.net> <200204051624.04564@ellegon.com> Message-ID: <20020405164717.K30542@joelschneider.net> On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 04:26:41PM -0600, Joel Rosenberg wrote: > Which leads me to wonder if a Windows virus will be allowed to play havoc > with anything in the ~/ directory, or anything subordinate to it. Anybody > know? If you don't map the ~/ directory to a drive, and say, create > ~/windowshome , could it still get to the ~/ directory? You're inquiring whether Wine could mess with your ${HOME} directory if not provided a mapping to that directory? Theoretically, if you are running Wine, it has sufficient permission to mess with your ${HOME} directory, so that directory could not necessarily be considered immune to virus attack. However, I suspect a virus would have to be specifically tailored for Wine before it could create a linux drive mapping for itself. -- Joel Schneider Yan Xin Qigong in Minneapolis joel@joelschneider.net http://yanxinqigong.minneapolis.mn.us/ From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Apr 5 16:49:01 2002 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows emulation programs In-Reply-To: <3CAE283F.49AF29E@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: Hey, On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, Rodney G. Garayt wrote: > VMware costs 200 and that's how much win200 costs so it wouldn't make much sense > for me to do that. It'd just make sense to buy win200 - which I refuse to do in > spite of my kids complaints. Rotten kids will thank me one day when all that's > left is Linux! lol Here's the real question - what are you tyring to run? There are some things that won't run under Wine, but will under VMWare. Then again there are some things, namely GAMES, which will not run under VMWare, either! Since you mention kids, I'm thinking either games or some office apps for them to do their homework on. If it's games you're pretty much SOL (unless you buyt WineX and hope). Office apps are available for Linux, plus there's that Office Plugin, whihc I guess is a version of Wine specilized to run Office. -Yaron -- From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com Fri Apr 5 17:11:01 2002 From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows emulation programs In-Reply-To: <200204051624.04564@ellegon.com> References: <3CAE1B95.E85AFC57@tc.umn.edu> <20020405161949.H30542@joelschneider.net> <200204051624.04564@ellegon.com> Message-ID: <02040516593700.10215@nancy> Lets not forget Bochs! Actually it's an 386 emulator, not a Windows emulator as it tries to emulate the hardware so you can run it on Sparc, Alpha, etc... Bochs cvs latest can use iso's. It can even boot from CD on many bootable CD's. Not the fastest game in town, but the price is right! Kelly Black KB0GBJ From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Apr 5 17:31:02 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] organization Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D76684@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Ok, I know this isn't even close to a linux question, but due to the nature of this list, a lot of the members work in high stress, hectic environments. My job just became a whole lot more complex, and I was having trouble before staying organized and on top of things, and now, it's just going to get worse. What are some good techniques you use to stay organized? Do you use a PDA, a pen and paper? How do you write things down and categorize them to make sure they get done? Many people on this list are just starting in the tech industry, and could surely benefit from the knowledge on how to stay organized. Unfortunately, the techniques I learned several years ago aren't good enough, and now it's turning around to bite me in the ass. Are there any linux programs that would help? Jay From dd-b at dd-b.net Fri Apr 5 17:47:00 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Getting rid of monitoring tool In-Reply-To: <3CAE1D25.2F8E6F2C@tc.umn.edu> References: <3CAE1D25.2F8E6F2C@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: "Rodney G. Garayt" writes: > Some time ago I was looking around the system (KDE) and there was a > monitoring tool that looked interesting so I went ahead and said ok to > it and it parked itself on the task bar over on the right next to the > clock, etc. This thing has this smile/frown thing going and warns me of > app that are taking up too much time/resources. I hate the thing! I > can't get rid of it though. There's no option to remove it that I can > find. > If you know what I'm talking about, can you tell me how I can get that > thing to not fire up when KDE comes up. Was it installed from an RPM? Can you figure out one file associated with it? If so, "rpm -qf " will tell you which rpm it came from, and then "rpm -e " will remove it. If not, this technique is obviously irrelevant, but there may be an equivalent technique for whatever package form you installed it from. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / Ghugle: the Fannish Ghod of Queries John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From mitc0185 at tc.umn.edu Fri Apr 5 17:48:01 2002 From: mitc0185 at tc.umn.edu (Erik Mitchell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] organization References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D76684@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <3CAE3710.4070605@tc.umn.edu> Austad, Jay wrote: >Ok, I know this isn't even close to a linux question, but due to the nature >of this list, a lot of the members work in high stress, hectic environments. > > >My job just became a whole lot more complex, and I was having trouble before >staying organized and on top of things, and now, it's just going to get >worse. What are some good techniques you use to stay organized? Do you use >a PDA > I use a Sony Clie, and it is great. If you're forced to be in a Windows/Office environment like me, you can sync it with Outlook. I find the todo list is great if I have the right attitude about it. That is, if I take pride in keeping it down to zero, or two, or however many things left is appropriate at the time. >, a pen and paper? How do you write things down and categorize them to >make sure they get done? > >Many people on this list are just starting in the tech industry, and could >surely benefit from the knowledge on how to stay organized. Unfortunately, >the techniques I learned several years ago aren't good enough, and now it's >turning around to bite me in the ass. > I've been out of college for about 10 months and in the tech industry for about 9. I'm not doing anything special, tech support/junior network admin, but it's work I enjoy. We have a ticket system for tracking problems for our users, using a (crappy) program called HEAT. I know there are lots of open source systems like that out there. Perhaps it would be worth your time to put one to use for yourself. It's nice when they are able to tie together tasks, people, and histories of the two. I know we sometime avoid the old ass-chomp because we catch something in the history lists. > > > >Are there any linux programs that would help? > > I don't know what your field of expertise is, but maybe putting together a little web/php/mysql organizer for yourself would be the right thing to do. That way you can check it whereever you happen to be? Just a few ideas, good luck! Erik > > >Jay >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >. > -- Hobbes: How come we play war and not peace? Calvin: Too few role models. /The Essential Calvin and Hobbes, p72/ From dd-b at dd-b.net Fri Apr 5 17:54:00 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] organization In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D76684@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D76684@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: "Austad, Jay" writes: > Ok, I know this isn't even close to a linux question, but due to the nature > of this list, a lot of the members work in high stress, hectic environments. > > > My job just became a whole lot more complex, and I was having trouble before > staying organized and on top of things, and now, it's just going to get > worse. What are some good techniques you use to stay organized? Do you use > a PDA, a pen and paper? How do you write things down and categorize them to > make sure they get done? All time-organizing techniques come down to keeping track of things, assessing priorities, *and performing triage*. You can get *somewhat* more done by being organized, but never *enough* more. I'm a big fan of PDAs, but the to-do list facility in the palm is a joke and doesn't do me much good. > Many people on this list are just starting in the tech industry, and could > surely benefit from the knowledge on how to stay organized. Unfortunately, > the techniques I learned several years ago aren't good enough, and now it's > turning around to bite me in the ass. > > > Are there any linux programs that would help? > I use the emacs sort-paragraph command to keep a list of things with priorities, dates, and notes on progress, for one set of things I do. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / Ghugle: the Fannish Ghod of Queries John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Apr 5 17:55:03 2002 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] organization In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D76684@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: Hey, On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, Austad, Jay wrote: > Ok, I know this isn't even close to a linux question, but due to the nature > of this list, a lot of the members work in high stress, hectic environments. In my long job history, I don't think I've ever had a job that's as hectic as my current one - complete with long meetings/conference calls, teams spread across the country, each machine has about 20 groups of people associated with it, etc. We all got the PDA of our choice, a laptop with extra docking stations/monitors to use it at home, fast network connections, Super Pagers, cellphones, etc. All those things are nice, but to me the most important element (and I realize this sounds like Management Talk) is Teamwork. The ability to rely on my teammates, in perticular. My team is in charge of security for a subset of UNIX machines. There are 7 of us. EVERYONE is going to be overwhelmed at some point. You'll always get comflicting scheduling, or you'll forget who exactly is the contact for Project X (not a real project), or be up all night fixing something so you can't make the confoerence with Group Y, etc. And if you can't, at that point, call someone up and say "Hey dude, I'm totally smashed, can you take care of Z for me?", then you're screwed. This is not to say that all 7 of us aren't totally overworked and under-slept, and don't have to struggle to make deadlines and come up with solutions. But ti does mean that when we need the extra hand, it's there. So my recommendation: Yes, get youself a nice Palm/Visor/Clie. Sync it with whatever Gnome/KDE productivity products exist (on topic!). Get a cellphone. But most importantly: Make sure your team consists of people who can (and if possible, like to) work together, and cn rely on each other. Make sure responsibilities and knowledge are spread out more-or-less equally withing the team (for example, Project X is the responsibility of Diane and John, Project Y is Mary and Steve, etc) - this way everyone has a backup and there's always someone you can ask for help. If at all possible, make sure the team has good leadership. I realize that sometimes you're the only person available and there really s no team - but there are always people and groups you are working with/for, and getting a good relationship with them is also invaluable. HTH, -Yaron -- From mitc0185 at tc.umn.edu Fri Apr 5 18:02:01 2002 From: mitc0185 at tc.umn.edu (Erik Mitchell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows emulation programs References: <3CAE1B95.E85AFC57@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3CAE3A8F.4040400@tc.umn.edu> To the best of my knowledge, Wine creates a "fake windows directory tree." It's located at ~/.wine/fakewindows/ IIRC :) Erik Rodney G. Garayt wrote: >Is there an emulator, such as Wine or Cygwin or whatever, that I can >install on my pc without having to re-partition my drive? I need to run >some windows apps. I have Mandrake-Linux 8.0 only - no dual boot >obviously. I believe it's correct that you have to have a 'Windows' >partition to run Wine or Cygwin right? > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >. > -- Hobbes: How come we play war and not peace? Calvin: Too few role models. /The Essential Calvin and Hobbes, p72/ From gsker at tcfreenet.org Fri Apr 5 19:12:01 2002 From: gsker at tcfreenet.org (Gerry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Zombie Processes In-Reply-To: <20020405164324.E23865@real-time.com> Message-ID: Some better options for displaying this information: very brief: pstree -p better: ps -aef --forest Gerry On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > Do a ps -ef and look for the PPID (parent process) and kill that, if it's not > init. > > You can't kill them because they are already dead, thus the zombie nomer. -- Gerry Skerbitz gsker@tcfreenet.org From mitc0185 at tc.umn.edu Fri Apr 5 19:21:01 2002 From: mitc0185 at tc.umn.edu (Erik Mitchell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Evolution and PGP Message-ID: <1018055955.1143.8.camel@tolkien> Hi, I've just gained an interest in signing my emails with pgp, and am wondering if anyone has done that with Ximian Evolution. I know it's possible, I've just found very little documentation about it out there. Any help that you could provide would be great! Thanks, Erik -- "Those who corrupt the public mind are just as evil as those who steal from the public purse." Erik Mitchell www.erikmitchell.org mitc0185@tc.umn.edu From dsherman at real-time.com Fri Apr 5 20:20:01 2002 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Evolution and PGP In-Reply-To: <1018055955.1143.8.camel@tolkien> References: <1018055955.1143.8.camel@tolkien> Message-ID: <1018059602.2805.8.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> On Fri, 2002-04-05 at 19:19, Erik Mitchell wrote: > Hi, > I've just gained an interest in signing my emails with pgp, and am > wondering if anyone has done that with Ximian Evolution. I know it's > possible, I've just found very little documentation about it out there. > Any help that you could provide would be great! > > Thanks, > > Erik This message was written in Evolution, and signed with my pgp public key. It's easy to setup, I did it without reading any docs. 1. Tools > Mail Settings > Other - make sure the path to gpg is set (/usr/bin/gpg on my Mandrake 8.1 laptop). 2. Tools > Mail Settings > Accounts - edit each account for which you want to sign messages, go to the Security tab, and name the key you want to use (any unique portion of the full key string, whether you use your name, or part of your email address, or whatever), then check the appropriate boxes (I checked both). That's all! -- Dave Sherman Beware the wrath of dragons, MCSE, MCSA, CCNA for you are crunchy, and good with ketchup. "lynx -source http://sildara.dyndns.org/davepub.asc | gpg --import" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I know it's > > possible, I've just found very little documentation about it out there. > > Any help that you could provide would be great! > > > > Thanks, > > > > Erik > > This message was written in Evolution, and signed with my pgp public > key. It's easy to setup, I did it without reading any docs. > Yeah; most of the major email clients seem to have it pretty well set up, all in all; I'm using Kmail, similarly. - -- - ------------------------------------- There's a widow in sleepy Chester Who weeps for her only son; There's a grave on the Pabeng River, A grave that the Burmans shun, And there's Subadar Prag Tewarri Who tells how the work was done. - ------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8rlx8z8oYF4Ke/9IRAj2FAKCe9sxAPSPdScX8H+uqekMqgd9O0QCeOm7c cd+pw6q4o7n5PQZEoHwvIiw= =16HQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Fri Apr 5 21:07:01 2002 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows emulation programs In-Reply-To: <3CAE3A8F.4040400@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: I got vmware for 119 bucks as a student.... I still dont have it running though, it doesn't like my enterprise kernel. Colin Kilbane From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Apr 5 21:20:02 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Evolution and PGP In-Reply-To: <1018059602.2805.8.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> References: <1018055955.1143.8.camel@tolkien> <1018059602.2805.8.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> Message-ID: <20020405211943.7d5855c4.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Dave Sherman wrote: > > This message was written in Evolution, and signed with my pgp public > key. It's easy to setup, I did it without reading any docs. Unfortunately, Sylpheed says your message has a bad signature. Did anyone else have problems with this message? Maybe Sylpheed is just too picky. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I got a garage door opener. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ It can't close. Just open. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020405/2274e09c/attachment.pgp From clay at fandre.com Fri Apr 5 21:40:02 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Colour printer recommendation References: <3CAE26F9.44B0CFC2@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3CAE6DE4.7070700@fandre.com> I picked up a HP DeskJet 950C from Costco a few months ago for $140 or so. I'm not running Mandrake, but should work fine under any distro. I'm using CUPS and haven't had any problems with it. (except for the recalled power cord) Photo quality is just as good as in Windows. Rodney G. Garayt wrote: > Any ideas on a colour printer that'll work with MandrakeLinux 8.0? It's > just for kids homework so doesn't have to be too fancy. > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Fri Apr 5 21:48:00 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian D. Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Evolution and PGP In-Reply-To: <20020405211943.7d5855c4.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> References: <1018055955.1143.8.camel@tolkien> <1018059602.2805.8.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> <20020405211943.7d5855c4.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20020406034845.GQ21927@8ball.wox.org> On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 09:19:43PM -0600, Mike Hicks wrote: > Dave Sherman wrote: > > > > This message was written in Evolution, and signed with my pgp public > > key. It's easy to setup, I did it without reading any docs. > > Unfortunately, Sylpheed says your message has a bad signature. Did anyone > else have problems with this message? Maybe Sylpheed is just too picky. Looks fine in my mutt, except for complaining about no trusted signatures. -- Brian Hicks This message would self-destruct in 10 seconds, except I'm not that clever. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Zombies will be cleaned up if their parents die. So a zombie can be removed by killing the parent process of the zombie. A parent process can be found with ps -fauwx and so kill the parent of the zombie process (often a SIGHUP is all that is needed). In theory, the only processes that this will never be able to be applied to is the stuff like init and other stuff started by the kernel that you have no power over. If it is a process that seems to have no parent, kill -s SIGHUP 1 (sending a hangup to init) will probably clean up a zombie. Otherwise just kill the parent of the zombie process and all should be fine again. Hopes this helps truely kasi viswanath > > Thanks, > Brady > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > End of tclug-list Digest > From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Apr 5 21:56:01 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows emulation programs In-Reply-To: <3CAE1B95.E85AFC57@tc.umn.edu> References: <3CAE1B95.E85AFC57@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20020405215544.005e8f06.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> "Rodney G. Garayt" wrote: > > Is there an emulator, such as Wine or Cygwin or whatever, that I can > install on my pc without having to re-partition my drive? I need to run > some windows apps. I have Mandrake-Linux 8.0 only - no dual boot > obviously. I believe it's correct that you have to have a 'Windows' > partition to run Wine or Cygwin right? Well, I may as well mention CodeWeavers' CrossOver programs, since I'm fiddling with them today. They have two variants at the moment, both based on the Wine project. CrossOver Office is geared toward easing the installation of the Microsoft Office package and Lotus Notes. CrossOver Plugin is meant to allow Linux web browsers to handle file formats for which there is no native Linux player (QuickTime, Windows Media, Shockwave, etc.). The Office package costs about $55, and the Plugin version is about $25 (that cost is for the downloadable version -- you can get it on CD for about $10 more, and they also have a bundle of both). I just purchased a copy of CrossOver Plugin, since I'm getting really tired of seeing those pop-up windows that say "Say OK to download plugin for ", which always leads to a totally useless page.. (Note to CodeWeavers folks -- good marketing opportunity, if you talk to Netscape and add your product to their plug-in finder). However, I'll note that you can download the demo version, install some plugins, then either copy or symlink ~/crossover/support/dotwine to ~/.wine, and use your computer's native wine installation to run software better. From brandon at rhinoventures.com Fri Apr 5 22:10:02 2002 From: brandon at rhinoventures.com (Brandon Freels) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Colour printer recommendation In-Reply-To: <3CAE26F9.44B0CFC2@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3CAE2130.20866.5041CF0@localhost> On 5 Apr 2002 at 16:36, Rodney G. Garayt wrote: > Any ideas on a colour printer that'll work with MandrakeLinux 8.0? It's > just for kids homework so doesn't have to be too fancy. I am using a HP Deskjet 820Cse "for windows" printer (love the irony :-) with Mandrake 8.0 and the color works fine. I am thinking that others in the HP Deskjet line would do the same. Domo. Ja na. Brandon Freels (brandon@rhinoventures.com, ICQ#: 2695168, Online-Gaming: Spittledung) "I'm witty naturally. I don't need quotes!" GOLEM Web Slab: http://www.rhinoventures.com/golem/ From dsherman at real-time.com Fri Apr 5 23:46:01 2002 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Evolution and PGP In-Reply-To: <20020405211943.7d5855c4.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> References: <1018055955.1143.8.camel@tolkien> <1018059602.2805.8.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> <20020405211943.7d5855c4.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <1018071985.3203.5.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> On Fri, 2002-04-05 at 21:19, Mike Hicks wrote: > Dave Sherman wrote: > > > > This message was written in Evolution, and signed with my pgp public > > key. It's easy to setup, I did it without reading any docs. > > Unfortunately, Sylpheed says your message has a bad signature. Did anyone > else have problems with this message? Maybe Sylpheed is just too picky. Evolution could recognize and open your key just fine, so I guess it can understand the way Sylpheed signs messages. And of course it can understand its own signing. I am curious if maybe Evolution uses a slightly different (perhaps non-standard) MIME type? -- Dave Sherman Beware the wrath of dragons, MCSE, MCSA, CCNA for you are crunchy, and good with ketchup. "lynx -source http://sildara.dyndns.org/davepub.asc | gpg --import" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I used to have all kinds of tools to keep things orderly, but I never really had the proper mindset to stay on top and prioritize properly. I had several classes with Franklin Covey...somewhat over-the-top, but very helpful to understand 'how' to get organized and best implement the tools at hand. Honestly, it made a difference for me... From mbrowne at attbi.com Sat Apr 6 10:11:01 2002 From: mbrowne at attbi.com (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] organization References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D76684@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <001401c1dd85$a3fc62e0$1e02a8c0@zippy> http://www.phprojekt.com/ This is a LAMP(hp) based solution that provides appointments, prioritized project tracking, help desk capabilities, etc.... Always being worked on, some nifty improvements in the works, but even now provides a very good organizing tool for a workgroup. Are there any linux programs that would help? From gsker at tcfreenet.org Sat Apr 6 12:14:01 2002 From: gsker at tcfreenet.org (Gerry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Evolution and PGP In-Reply-To: <200204052024.15615@ellegon.com> Message-ID: Joel, Okay I'm totally confused. When pine tried to read your message with the gpg filters, it gave the message below. (I've intentionally not trimmed the quoted message for completeness). How would I find your public key? gpg couldn't find it on the two keyservers I tried, (wwwkeys.pgp and www.keyserver.net). Is the only way to get it to ask you? AND, an even bigger problem for me is that your message worked fine with pine in that pine actually tried to figure out the signature. Messages where the body and the signature are both attachments (like Brian Hicks') don't work. . Gerry On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, Joel Rosenberg wrote: > --[PinePGP]--------------------------------------------------[begin]-- > On Friday 05 April 2002 08:19 pm, you wrote: > > On Fri, 2002-04-05 at 19:19, Erik Mitchell wrote: > > > Hi, > > > I've just gained an interest in signing my emails with pgp, and am > > > wondering if anyone has done that with Ximian Evolution. I know it's > > > possible, I've just found very little documentation about it out there. > > > Any help that you could provide would be great! > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Erik > > > > This message was written in Evolution, and signed with my pgp public > > key. It's easy to setup, I did it without reading any docs. > > > > Yeah; most of the major email clients seem to have it pretty well set up, all > in all; I'm using Kmail, similarly. > > -- > ------------------------------------- > There's a widow in sleepy Chester > Who weeps for her only son; > There's a grave on the Pabeng River, > A grave that the Burmans shun, > And there's Subadar Prag Tewarri > Who tells how the work was done. > ------------------------------------- > --[PinePGP]----------------------------------------------------------- > gpg: Signature made Fri Apr 5 20:25:00 2002 CST using DSA key ID 829EFFD2 > gpg: requesting key 829EFFD2 from wwwkeys.pgp.net ... > gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found. > gpg: Total number processed: 0 > gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found > PinePGP: Encryption backend encountered error. > --[PinePGP]----------------------------------------------------[end]-- > -- Gerry Skerbitz gsker@tcfreenet.org From dsherman at real-time.com Sat Apr 6 13:04:01 2002 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Evolution and PGP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1018119822.5228.22.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 12:14, Gerry wrote: > Joel, > Okay I'm totally confused. When pine tried to read your message with the gpg > filters, it gave the message below. (I've intentionally not trimmed the > quoted message for completeness). > > How would I find your public key? gpg couldn't find it on the two > keyservers I tried, (wwwkeys.pgp and www.keyserver.net). Is the only way to > get it to ask you? Joel just needs to publish his key, that's all. Or, if he provides a link in his messages (like I do), then you can download it directly and import it into your keyring. > AND, an even bigger problem for me is that your message worked fine with pine > in that pine actually tried to figure out the signature. Messages where the > body and the signature are both attachments (like Brian Hicks') don't work. > . Incidentally, I noticed that Sylpheed is missing a MIME Content-Type parameter when attaching a digital signature. If you look at the full headers of my message, you will see that my Content-Type looks something like this: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-ytxrsyoHFdreMw1A1q18" Sylpheed generates a similar Content-Type, but it is missing the 'micalg=;' parameter. According to the PGP-MIME RFC (I don't recall the number off-hand, but I found it by Googling MIME and micalg), this is a required parameter for digital signatures attached to email. This parameter means "Message Integrity Check ALGorhythm", and in my message the specified algorhythm is "pgp-sha1". So Sylpheed, apparently, is doing it wrong. Thankfully, Evolution handles it anyway, perhaps by trying one or more common algorhythms if none are specified. I just thought it was interesting. -- Dave Sherman Beware the wrath of dragons, MCSE, MCSA, CCNA for you are crunchy, and good with ketchup. "lynx -source http://sildara.dyndns.org/davepub.asc | gpg --import" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020406/96d4e227/attachment.pgp From joelr at ellegon.com Sat Apr 6 13:22:00 2002 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Evolution and PGP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200204061245.35191@ellegon.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 06 April 2002 12:14 pm, you wrote: > Joel, > Okay I'm totally confused. When pine tried to read your message with the > gpg filters, it gave the message below. (I've intentionally not trimmed > the quoted message for completeness). > > How would I find your public key? gpg couldn't find it on the two > keyservers I tried, (wwwkeys.pgp and www.keyserver.net). Is the only way > to get it to ask you? > Well, that's obviously one way, but it's not the ideal one . . . I thought I'd uploaded the key to various servers, but I'm not sure that I included those -- I just did, though; give it another try. - -- - ------------------------------------- There's a widow in sleepy Chester Who weeps for her only son; There's a grave on the Pabeng River, A grave that the Burmans shun, And there's Subadar Prag Tewarri Who tells how the work was done. - ------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8r0rLz8oYF4Ke/9IRAtwMAKDLg0dyGRUgNRVNSVWJRS+m4T4mVwCdFFXq q4aY4EDcZGuTS7ohhepB34Y= =0SxK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jondavid at mn.rr.com Sat Apr 6 13:22:38 2002 From: jondavid at mn.rr.com (jds) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] organization In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D76684@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D76684@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <8661696144.20020406095921@mn.rr.com> Jay - Have you ever tried wiki? It's named for the hawaiian (sp?) term "wiki wiki" - which roughly translates as "fast". I am currently working as a junior developer building php/firebird tools for a local content company, as well as getting ready to implement in xml/xsl solution, amongst other things...point being, i'm busy, as most of us are, most of the time. anywho, we use wiki to keep journals, track project progress, flesh out issues and requirements, TODO, etc...and it works about as well as any technique i've run into so far in my young career. you can find them written in perl, php, etc... plus it's web based, which is nice, and free, which is very nice. one thing i want to do is write a perl script that i can set up as a cron job that will scrape all the areas of a few wikis and back them up since they are inherantly open for all to edit. hence, it's possible that someone could just get in and clean it out...not bloody likely though methinks. however, if you wanna really lock 'em down, there are ways to password protect areas as well. hth- cheers! jon-david btw- beer cures hangovers. Friday, April 5, 2002, 5:31:09 PM: AJ> Ok, I know this isn't even close to a linux question, but due to the nature AJ> of this list, a lot of the members work in high stress, hectic environments. AJ> My job just became a whole lot more complex, and I was having trouble before AJ> staying organized and on top of things, and now, it's just going to get AJ> worse. What are some good techniques you use to stay organized? Do you use AJ> a PDA, a pen and paper? How do you write things down and categorize them to AJ> make sure they get done? AJ> Many people on this list are just starting in the tech industry, and could AJ> surely benefit from the knowledge on how to stay organized. Unfortunately, AJ> the techniques I learned several years ago aren't good enough, and now it's AJ> turning around to bite me in the ass. AJ> AJ> Are there any linux programs that would help? AJ> AJ> Jay AJ> _______________________________________________ AJ> Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota AJ> http://www.mn-linux.org AJ> tclug-list@mn-linux.org AJ> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Best regards, jds mailto:jondavid@mn.rr.com From joelr at ellegon.com Sat Apr 6 13:39:00 2002 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Evolution and PGP In-Reply-To: <1018119822.5228.22.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> References: <1018119822.5228.22.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> Message-ID: <200204061338.02578@ellegon.com> On Saturday 06 April 2002 01:03 pm, you wrote: > On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 12:14, Gerry wrote: > > Joel, > > Okay I'm totally confused. When pine tried to read your message with the > > gpg filters, it gave the message below. (I've intentionally not trimmed > > the quoted message for completeness). > > > > How would I find your public key? gpg couldn't find it on the two > > keyservers I tried, (wwwkeys.pgp and www.keyserver.net). Is the only way > > to get it to ask you? > > Joel just needs to publish his key, that's all. Or, if he provides a > link in his messages (like I do), then you can download it directly and > import it into your keyring. You mean, like: "lynx -source http://www.ellegon.com/jrkeys.asc | gpg --import" ? -- ------------------------------------- There's a widow in sleepy Chester Who weeps for her only son; There's a grave on the Pabeng River, A grave that the Burmans shun, And there's Subadar Prag Tewarri Who tells how the work was done. ------------------------------------- From dsherman at real-time.com Sat Apr 6 14:01:02 2002 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Evolution and PGP In-Reply-To: <200204061338.02578@ellegon.com> References: <1018119822.5228.22.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> <200204061338.02578@ellegon.com> Message-ID: <1018123248.5274.24.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 13:38, Joel Rosenberg wrote: > You mean, like: > > "lynx -source http://www.ellegon.com/jrkeys.asc | gpg --import" That's the way to share the joy! ;-) -- Dave Sherman Beware the wrath of dragons, MCSE, MCSA, CCNA for you are crunchy, and good with ketchup. "lynx -source http://sildara.dyndns.org/davepub.asc | gpg --import" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020406/74cc75bf/attachment.pgp From houle at citilink.com Sat Apr 6 20:05:01 2002 From: houle at citilink.com (Terry Houle) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] organization In-Reply-To: <001401c1dd85$a3fc62e0$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: This PHPProjekt appears that you need a database such as mysql, psotgres, or it lists some others. Anyone got comments on which might be better (& easier) ? Terry Houle > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Mark Browne > Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 10:11 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] organization > > > http://www.phprojekt.com/ > > This is a LAMP(hp) based solution that provides appointments, prioritized > project tracking, help desk capabilities, etc.... Always being worked on, > From mitc0185 at tc.umn.edu Sat Apr 6 20:23:00 2002 From: mitc0185 at tc.umn.edu (Erik Mitchell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] organization In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1018146060.1166.39.camel@tolkien> I use MySQL. I think the documentation for that is fantastic. I don't think I'd be using any big time db server were it not for how well MySQL is documented. Erik On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 20:05, Terry Houle wrote: > This PHPProjekt appears that you need a database such as mysql, psotgres, or > it lists some others. Anyone got comments on which might be better (& > easier) ? > > Terry Houle > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Mark Browne > > Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 10:11 AM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] organization > > > > > > http://www.phprojekt.com/ > > > > This is a LAMP(hp) based solution that provides appointments, prioritized > > project tracking, help desk capabilities, etc.... Always being worked on, > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- "Those who corrupt the public mind are just as evil as those who steal from the public purse." Erik Mitchell www.erikmitchell.org mitc0185@tc.umn.edu From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Sat Apr 6 20:54:00 2002 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (Jim Kaufman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] organization In-Reply-To: ; from houle@citilink.com on Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 08:05:53PM -0600 References: <001401c1dd85$a3fc62e0$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: <20020406205403.A29455@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 08:05:53PM -0600, Terry Houle wrote: > This PHPProjekt appears that you need a database such as mysql, psotgres, or > it lists some others. Anyone got comments on which might be better (& > easier) ? > > Terry Houle > I have been using MySQL for a few weeks now. I like using it and folks on the mysql mailing list say it scales quite well and is very reliable. I recommend MySQL. -- Jim Kaufman mailto:jmk@kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Linux Consultant, CCNA cell: 612-481-9778 public key 0x6D802619 fax: 952-937-9832 --- Prediction is very difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From houle at citilink.com Sat Apr 6 20:59:00 2002 From: houle at citilink.com (Terry Houle) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] organization In-Reply-To: <20020406205403.A29455@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Message-ID: <200204070229.UAA23624@osiris2.2ndAve.mpls.orbis.net> Another dumb question does that mean it has to run on a server? Terry Houle On Sat, 6 Apr 2002 20:54:03 -0600, Jim Kaufman wrote: >I have been using MySQL for a few weeks now. I like using it and >folks >on the mysql mailing list say it scales quite well and is very >reliable. >I recommend MySQL. > From wilson at isis.visi.com Sat Apr 6 21:13:01 2002 From: wilson at isis.visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] organization In-Reply-To: <200204070229.UAA23624@osiris2.2ndAve.mpls.orbis.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 6 Apr 2002, Terry Houle wrote: > Another dumb question does that mean it has to run on a server? If you run apache on your laptop for Web development, does that make your laptop a server? :-) -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From houle at citilink.com Sat Apr 6 21:23:00 2002 From: houle at citilink.com (Terry Houle) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] organization In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200204070253.UAA25208@osiris2.2ndAve.mpls.orbis.net> I guess so but still not clear if I then have to have Apache or some kind of server running to put the MySql on? Or can I just run it like any other program and I realize I am not knowledgable enough to make the question very clear. Terry Houle On Sat, 6 Apr 2002 21:13:34 -0600 (CST), Tim Wilson wrote: >On Sat, 6 Apr 2002, Terry Houle wrote: > >>Another dumb question does that mean it has to run on a server? > >If you run apache on your laptop for Web development, does that make >your laptop a server? :-) > >-Tim > >-- >Tim Wilson ? ? ?| ? Visit Sibley online: ? | Check out: From mitc0185 at tc.umn.edu Sat Apr 6 21:36:02 2002 From: mitc0185 at tc.umn.edu (Erik Mitchell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] organization In-Reply-To: <200204070229.UAA23624@osiris2.2ndAve.mpls.orbis.net> References: <200204070229.UAA23624@osiris2.2ndAve.mpls.orbis.net> Message-ID: <1018150399.1166.61.camel@tolkien> On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 20:59, Terry Houle wrote: > Another dumb question does that mean it has to run on a server? Servers, as you are thinking of them, are essentially computers that are configured in such a way as to be good at serving to lots of clients. A computer, however, becomes a server if it serves. A more accurate way to think of it is whether a program, or a process, is a server. A regular desktop can be a server though. You just run software that offers a particular service. MySQL, for example (process: mysqld) serves data when it receives SQL queries. Apache serves web pages when it receives HTTP requests. And so on. In response to another question, you do not need to be running Apache to run MySQL. They just happen to run nicely together. Erik -- "Those who corrupt the public mind are just as evil as those who steal from the public purse." Erik Mitchell www.erikmitchell.org mitc0185@tc.umn.edu From chewie at wookimus.net Sun Apr 7 14:49:01 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TIP: BASH and ssh-agent In-Reply-To: <3CAD0016.9000503@fandre.com> References: <20020403151524.GB25577@wookimus.net> <3CAD0016.9000503@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20020405152641.GA3095@wookimus.net> On Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 07:38:30PM -0600, Clay Fandre wrote: > I'd suggest using keychain. It automatically takes care of all of this > for you. > http://www.gentoo.org/projects/keychain/ Hmm... Why not just use the shell script? ;-) Seriously, do I need to add yet another piece of software to my system??? I'm going to assume that keychain does lots of other very neat and blinky things, and there may actually be some need served by this software, but in my case, all I want is ssh-agent to be started and for all of my sessions (ssh, X, and console...all at the same time...) to use it. (I can't really comment on the software because www.gentoo.org is unreachable at this time -- Fri Apr 5 09:23:53 CST 2002). As far as the use-ssh-agent option that someone suggested for Debian's Xsession... Good suggestion, really. What if I don't use X? Kinda makes it a bit useless for a ssh session. ;-) There is one improvement I could make to that little BASH snippet. I could check for an existing environment variable before checking for that little .ssh-agent.$host file I created. If SSH_AGENT_PID exists and is populated, I could check for that PID instead of using the one in the file. That way Debian's little use-ssh-agent efforts won't be wasted. Anyway, back to work. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020407/8514d559/attachment.pgp From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Mon Apr 8 12:54:01 2002 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question about sendmail and mailx Message-ID: <15537.55638.120470.474180@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> I'm trying to set up a central sendmail server for my home network. To a first approximation, what I want is just a place that will catch all the mail for 'root' and for crontab users, from two or three boxen, so that I only have to sit down at one box to get updates on the situation. I can't seem to find any FM to R for this task --- most seem to be aimed at either (a) sendmail for a single box with envelope masquerading or (b) sendmail for a box exposed to the internet doing general email service. I'm stumbling along, but keep getting the following errors when subsidiary boxen send email to the mail server: Mar 29 09:13:13 cthulhu sendmail[20590]: NOQUEUE: nyarlathotep [192.168.0.14] did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to MTA the subsidiary box, nyarlathotep, is sending mail through mailx, the lightweight mailer that you get by default in Mandrake (both boxen are Mandrake 8.1). Does anybody know if this mailer does something deviant with smtp? Or is there perhaps some handshaking that's blocked by tcpwrappers on nyarlathotep? Or, is this a problem because I don't have DNS on my subnet, and DNS lookup doesn't work to authenticate nyarlathotep? I'm having a hard time even figuring out how to troubleshoot this and, as I said, my googling doesn't seem to help. Thanks, R P.S. I have considered changing to qmail or postfix, but that seems like a big mess of additional cost, when the sendmail solution almost works. From admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us Mon Apr 8 13:16:01 2002 From: admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question about sendmail and mailx In-Reply-To: <15537.55638.120470.474180@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> References: <15537.55638.120470.474180@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <1056.204.220.62.130.1018289635.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> I had this error a while back. Make sure the mailer is really there. I was sure mine was, and accidentally found it had somehow disappeared???? > > I'm trying to set up a central sendmail server for my home network. To > a first approximation, what I want is just a place that will catch all > the mail for 'root' and for crontab users, from two or three > boxen, so that I only have to sit down at one box to get updates on the > situation. > > I can't seem to find any FM to R for this task --- most seem to be > aimed at either (a) sendmail for a single box with envelope > masquerading or (b) sendmail for a box exposed to the internet doing > general email service. > > I'm stumbling along, but keep getting the following errors when > subsidiary boxen send email to the mail server: > > > Mar 29 09:13:13 cthulhu sendmail[20590]: NOQUEUE: nyarlathotep > [192.168.0.14] did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to > MTA > > the subsidiary box, nyarlathotep, is sending mail through mailx, the > lightweight mailer that you get by default in Mandrake (both boxen are > Mandrake 8.1). Does anybody know if this mailer does something > deviant with smtp? Or is there perhaps some handshaking that's > blocked by tcpwrappers on nyarlathotep? Or, is this a problem because > I don't have DNS on my subnet, and DNS lookup doesn't work to > authenticate nyarlathotep? I'm having a hard time even figuring out > how to troubleshoot this and, as I said, my googling doesn't seem to > help. > > Thanks, > R > > P.S. I have considered changing to qmail or postfix, but that seems > like a big mess of additional cost, when the sendmail solution almost > works. > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 From joelr at ellegon.com Mon Apr 8 13:23:01 2002 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question about sendmail and mailx In-Reply-To: <15537.55638.120470.474180@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> References: <15537.55638.120470.474180@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <200204081320.45380@ellegon.com> On Monday 08 April 2002 12:54 pm, Robert P. Goldman wrote: > I'm trying to set up a central sendmail server for my home network. > To a first approximation, what I want is just a place that will catch > all the mail for 'root' and for crontab users, from two or three > boxen, so that I only have to sit down at one box to get updates on > the situation. > > I can't seem to find any FM to R for this task --- most seem to be > aimed at either (a) sendmail for a single box with envelope > masquerading or (b) sendmail for a box exposed to the internet doing > general email service. > > I'm stumbling along, but keep getting the following errors when > subsidiary boxen send email to the mail server: > > > Mar 29 09:13:13 cthulhu sendmail[20590]: NOQUEUE: nyarlathotep > [192.168.0.14] did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to MTA > > the subsidiary box, nyarlathotep, is sending mail through mailx, the > lightweight mailer that you get by default in Mandrake (both boxen are > Mandrake 8.1). Does anybody know if this mailer does something > deviant with smtp? Or is there perhaps some handshaking that's > blocked by tcpwrappers on nyarlathotep? Or, is this a problem because > I don't have DNS on my subnet, and DNS lookup doesn't work to > authenticate nyarlathotep? I'm having a hard time even figuring out > how to troubleshoot this and, as I said, my googling doesn't seem to > help. > > Thanks, > R > > P.S. I have considered changing to qmail or postfix, but that seems > like a big mess of additional cost, when the sendmail solution almost > works. I'm not sure about that latter. As I understand it, the default mail server in Mandrake *is* postfix, with a frontend that simulates sendmail commands. "man sendmail" comes back with: NAME sendmail - Postfix to Sendmail compatibility interface SYNOPSIS sendmail [option ...] [recipient ...] mailq sendmail -bp newaliases sendmail -I DESCRIPTION The sendmail program implements the Postfix to Sendmail compatibility interface. For the sake of compatibility with existing applications, some Sendmail command-line options are recognized but silently ignored. sendmail - Postfix to Sendmail compatibility interface ------------------------------------- There's a widow in sleepy Chester Who weeps for her only son; There's a grave on the Pabeng River, A grave that the Burmans shun, And there's Subadar Prag Tewarri Who tells how the work was done. ------------------------------------- From joelr at ellegon.com Mon Apr 8 13:23:13 2002 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question about sendmail and mailx In-Reply-To: <15537.55638.120470.474180@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> References: <15537.55638.120470.474180@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <200204081320.45380@ellegon.com> On Monday 08 April 2002 12:54 pm, Robert P. Goldman wrote: > I'm trying to set up a central sendmail server for my home network. > To a first approximation, what I want is just a place that will catch > all the mail for 'root' and for crontab users, from two or three > boxen, so that I only have to sit down at one box to get updates on > the situation. > > I can't seem to find any FM to R for this task --- most seem to be > aimed at either (a) sendmail for a single box with envelope > masquerading or (b) sendmail for a box exposed to the internet doing > general email service. > > I'm stumbling along, but keep getting the following errors when > subsidiary boxen send email to the mail server: > > > Mar 29 09:13:13 cthulhu sendmail[20590]: NOQUEUE: nyarlathotep > [192.168.0.14] did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to MTA > > the subsidiary box, nyarlathotep, is sending mail through mailx, the > lightweight mailer that you get by default in Mandrake (both boxen are > Mandrake 8.1). Does anybody know if this mailer does something > deviant with smtp? Or is there perhaps some handshaking that's > blocked by tcpwrappers on nyarlathotep? Or, is this a problem because > I don't have DNS on my subnet, and DNS lookup doesn't work to > authenticate nyarlathotep? I'm having a hard time even figuring out > how to troubleshoot this and, as I said, my googling doesn't seem to > help. > > Thanks, > R > > P.S. I have considered changing to qmail or postfix, but that seems > like a big mess of additional cost, when the sendmail solution almost > works. I'm not sure about that latter. As I understand it, the default mail server in Mandrake *is* postfix, with a frontend that simulates sendmail commands. "man sendmail" comes back with: NAME sendmail - Postfix to Sendmail compatibility interface SYNOPSIS sendmail [option ...] [recipient ...] mailq sendmail -bp newaliases sendmail -I DESCRIPTION The sendmail program implements the Postfix to Sendmail compatibility interface. For the sake of compatibility with existing applications, some Sendmail command-line options are recognized but silently ignored. sendmail - Postfix to Sendmail compatibility interface ------------------------------------- There's a widow in sleepy Chester Who weeps for her only son; There's a grave on the Pabeng River, A grave that the Burmans shun, And there's Subadar Prag Tewarri Who tells how the work was done. ------------------------------------- From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Mon Apr 8 13:32:00 2002 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question about sendmail and mailx In-Reply-To: <200204081320.45380@ellegon.com> References: <15537.55638.120470.474180@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> <200204081320.45380@ellegon.com> Message-ID: <15537.57918.646190.945308@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> >>>>> "JR" == Joel Rosenberg writes: JR> On Monday 08 April 2002 12:54 pm, Robert P. Goldman wrote: JR> I'm not sure about that latter. As I understand it, the JR> default mail server in Mandrake *is* postfix, with a frontend JR> that simulates sendmail commands. Actually, I installed sendmail by hand a while ago, because I wanted to get envelope masquerading and a smart host, and I didn't know how to get that with postfix. But thanks, R From admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us Mon Apr 8 13:52:01 2002 From: admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problem with 2 mail servers on same domain Message-ID: <1154.204.220.62.130.1018291795.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> I am trying to help someone resolve this problem. They have a Novell Groupwise mail server, which has always worked fine. We have added a test RedHat server using sendmail, and Squirrelmail. Both boxes can send and receive anywhere, but we always get a "Deferred Connection refused" (in our sendmail logs) when sending mail from the RedHat box to the Groupwise box. In case it matters, we had our ISP list the new server as webmail.domain.com. The Groupwise server is known as mail.domain.com Any ideas would be appreciated. -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 From PaulHarris at Bigfoot.com Mon Apr 8 15:40:02 2002 From: PaulHarris at Bigfoot.com (Paul Harris) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hardware issue (will be On Topic eventually!) Message-ID: <20020408134014.7571.h004.c000.wm@mail.harris.net.criticalpath.net> I have all the components I need to build a cool new computer, except for a case (this will become important in a moment). I've put all the pieces together, but without the case (told you) there isn't a power on button! I've found that there is a small control block with connectors for things like power LED, reset switch, etc. If I short the two power switch pins momentarily the fans start spinning, and the unit clearly has power. BUT nothing happens. I'm not used to ATX power setups, so I'm wondering if just shorting the power pins for a moment is the right approach, or should I keep them connected for as long as I want the machine on, or am I barking up the wrong tree? And this will become on topic, because once it works it gets a shiny new copy of Mandrake 8.2! Cheers, Paul From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Mon Apr 8 15:49:00 2002 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] success? Message-ID: <480f8e0a01042007d2@[172.29.97.10]> http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/4134/1/ After you read the story... The solution met the required result but none of the optional results. The solution did not meet the required result, but met the optional results. The solution did not meet either the required result or the optional results. The solution was one man's desire to implement linux no matter what. IPC 2002 From doug.m at usablelogic.com Mon Apr 8 16:43:01 2002 From: doug.m at usablelogic.com (Douglas Mosman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Adding drive to file server share - too slow? Message-ID: <3CB20FC5.4050006@usablelogic.com> I'm planning to add a drive to my file server share but I wonder if it will be too slow? Here's my setup sda2 - root (everything except /home) hde2 - /home sda3 - unused (14GB) using Samba to provide fill access to network clients My plan is to assign sda3 under the /home directory for network file access. Specifically, I'd like to assign it to my private share. /home(hde2)/foo(sda3) While I haven't tried it yet, I'm assuming it should work. Also, I can still keep my Samba assignments simple (currently I just have public and the generic "home" shares). HOWEVER, will the system be accessing both hde2 (for /home) and sda3 (for /home/foo) for every file access? Or will it know where /home/foo is and directly access sda3 without traversing first to /home (hde2)? -- Doug From florin at iucha.net Mon Apr 8 16:52:01 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Adding drive to file server share - too slow? In-Reply-To: <3CB20FC5.4050006@usablelogic.com> References: <3CB20FC5.4050006@usablelogic.com> Message-ID: <20020408215200.GA3307@iucha.net> On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 04:46:45PM -0500, Douglas Mosman wrote: > I'm planning to add a drive to my file server share but I wonder if it > will be too slow? > > Here's my setup > > sda2 - root (everything except /home) > hde2 - /home > sda3 - unused (14GB) > > using Samba to provide fill access to network clients > > My plan is to assign sda3 under the /home directory for network file > access. Specifically, I'd like to assign it to my private share. > > /home(hde2)/foo(sda3) > > While I haven't tried it yet, I'm assuming it should work. Also, I can > still keep my Samba assignments simple (currently I just have public and > the generic "home" shares). > > HOWEVER, will the system be accessing both hde2 (for /home) and sda3 > (for /home/foo) for every file access? Or will it know where /home/foo > is and directly access sda3 without traversing first to /home (hde2)? Regarding disk access, it will go directly to /home/foo. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020408/4a9bdcef/attachment.pgp From joel at joelschneider.net Mon Apr 8 17:15:14 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] success? In-Reply-To: <480f8e0a01042007d2@[172.29.97.10]>; from RWare@INTERPLASTIC.com on Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 03:50:18PM -0500 References: <480f8e0a01042007d2@[172.29.97.10]> Message-ID: <20020408171530.D3237@joelschneider.net> On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 03:50:18PM -0500, Ryan Ware wrote: > http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/4134/1/ > > After you read the story... > The solution met the required result but none of the optional results. > The solution did not meet the required result, but met the optional > results. > The solution did not meet either the required result or the optional > results. > The solution was one man's desire to implement linux no matter what. > > IPC 2002 Not sure specifically what you mean by "required" and "optional" results (terminology not found in article). You're suggesting that hiring an outside party to install a M$ solution would have somehow eliminated the law firm's problems with 3rd party software? Prove it. IMHO, upgrading a business from no network to a linux server offers a much easier opportunity for "success" than migrating from an established M$ server (chock full of proprietary weirdness) to linux. -- Joel Schneider Yan Xin Qigong in Minneapolis joel@joelschneider.net http://yanxinqigong.minneapolis.mn.us/ From dave at rightwithgod.org Mon Apr 8 17:55:03 2002 From: dave at rightwithgod.org (Dave Erickson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Adding drive to file server share - too slow? References: <3CB20FC5.4050006@usablelogic.com> <20020408215200.GA3307@iucha.net> Message-ID: <3CB21F9F.1000706@rightwithgod.org> Florin Iucha wrote: >On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 04:46:45PM -0500, Douglas Mosman wrote: > >>I'm planning to add a drive to my file server share but I wonder if it >>will be too slow? >> >>Here's my setup >> >> sda2 - root (everything except /home) >> hde2 - /home >> sda3 - unused (14GB) >> >> using Samba to provide fill access to network clients >> >>My plan is to assign sda3 under the /home directory for network file >>access. Specifically, I'd like to assign it to my private share. >> >> /home(hde2)/foo(sda3) >> >>While I haven't tried it yet, I'm assuming it should work. Also, I can >>still keep my Samba assignments simple (currently I just have public and >>the generic "home" shares). >> >>HOWEVER, will the system be accessing both hde2 (for /home) and sda3 >>(for /home/foo) for every file access? Or will it know where /home/foo >>is and directly access sda3 without traversing first to /home (hde2)? >> > >Regarding disk access, it will go directly to /home/foo. > >florin > That will work fine. I have three SCSI disks mounted this way: /home /home/dave/Media /home/dave/Docs -- Dave Erickson ( http://www.rightwithgod.org ) From poptix at techmonkeys.org Mon Apr 8 20:04:01 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Hardware issue (will be On Topic eventually!) In-Reply-To: <20020408134014.7571.h004.c000.wm@mail.harris.net.criticalpath.net>; from PaulHarris@Bigfoot.com on Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 01:40:13PM -0700 References: <20020408134014.7571.h004.c000.wm@mail.harris.net.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: <20020408190451.A903@techmonkeys.org> On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 01:40:13PM -0700, Paul Harris wrote: > I have all the components I need to build a cool new > computer, except for a case (this will become important in a > moment). I've put all the pieces together, but without the > case (told you) there isn't a power on button! I've found > that there is a small control block with connectors for > things like power LED, reset switch, etc. If I short the > two power switch pins momentarily the fans start spinning, > and the unit clearly has power. BUT nothing happens. > > I'm not used to ATX power setups, so I'm wondering if just > shorting the power pins for a moment is the right approach, > or should I keep them connected for as long as I want the > machine on, or am I barking up the wrong tree? And this > will become on topic, because once it works it gets a shiny > new copy of Mandrake 8.2! > For power-on it's a short contact, a long contact (5 seconds or so) will tell it to power-off when it's on. Check the jumpers on the motherboard to make sure you've got things like BIOS CLEAR turned OFF. Lots of motherboards come with this jumper turned ON by default. > Cheers, Paul -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 From joelr at ellegon.com Mon Apr 8 20:29:00 2002 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] success? In-Reply-To: <480f8e0a01042007d2@[172.29.97.10]> References: <480f8e0a01042007d2@[172.29.97.10]> Message-ID: <200204082018.25394@ellegon.com> On Monday 08 April 2002 03:50 pm, you wrote: > http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/4134/1/ > > After you read the story... > The solution met the required result but none of the optional results. > The solution did not meet the required result, but met the optional > results. > The solution did not meet either the required result or the optional > results. > The solution was one man's desire to implement linux no matter what. > > IPC 2002 > > Me, I'm suspicious of a couple of attorneys that can't collectively afford $80/month for connectivity. That said, the specifications for the project seem to be rather ephemeral and nonspecific, other than the clients wanting WordPerfect and Timeslips, and the writer wanting the server to run under Linux -- without any obvious need for a central server, rather than peer-to-peer. If that was the only real issue -- "I wanna run these two Windows programs, and I don't care about anything else" -- going to Linux seems to me to be a little silly, except for a central file server to be used primarily for backups, which is trivial. The complications seem to have arisen from the bizarre choice to go to a central Windows applications server running under Linux -- without any particular need, other than to avoid sneakernet for file sharing. The simple way would have been to simply add a central Linux server -- for backups, and to be the firewall/gateway machine, once the lawyers were ready to plunk down that heavy $80/month -- and leave it at that. -- ------------------------------------- There's a widow in sleepy Chester Who weeps for her only son; There's a grave on the Pabeng River, A grave that the Burmans shun, And there's Subadar Prag Tewarri Who tells how the work was done. ------------------------------------- From mitc0185 at tc.umn.edu Mon Apr 8 22:36:02 2002 From: mitc0185 at tc.umn.edu (Erik Mitchell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux proxy for appletalk Message-ID: <1018323312.296.9.camel@tolkien> Hi, I've been given the task of trying to make some fileserver space available to a couple of Macintosh users in my department. Our main file server is a Windows 2000 cluster, with 260+ gigs of space (I know, I don't make the decisions, ok?). We would like to use space from that cluster because it gets backed up nightly. My idea is to set up a Linux box with Samba client and atalkd. I would mount a shared folder with Samba from the cluster server and put it somewhere in the directory tree, say /mnt/macs. I would then symbolic link the two users' home folders to /mnt/macs, so that when they mount the Linux box as an appletalk server (their home folders) they're really just mounting samba space that actually exists on the W2k file server. This seems to resemble trickery, and I'm not sure whether I can get away with it. I'm not sure what the Linux box would actually be doing in such a situation, and whether you can serve from a part of the file system that is really just a share from another server. If it did work though, it would meet our needs perfectly. I should add that the NT guys don't want to put any appletalk support on the W2k cluster. So am I missing something here? Wouldn't this work? Thanks for your help, Erik -- "Those who corrupt the public mind are just as evil as those who steal from the public purse." Erik Mitchell www.erikmitchell.org mitc0185@tc.umn.edu -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020408/dcea021b/attachment.pgp From tanner at real-time.com Mon Apr 8 23:27:00 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG Booth at Strictly Business Business volunteers? Message-ID: <20020408232749.T12125@real-time.com> I'm looking for someone to coordinate volunteers for TCLUG's booth at Strictly Business. We have a booth, right Clay? Anyone want to head this up? -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From ming at evil-overlords.com Mon Apr 8 23:35:53 2002 From: ming at evil-overlords.com (ming) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux proxy for appletalk In-Reply-To: <1018323312.296.9.camel@tolkien> References: <1018323312.296.9.camel@tolkien> Message-ID: <1018326589.3cb26e3d6e405@mail.evil-overlords.com> Quoting Erik Mitchell : > This seems to resemble trickery, and I'm not sure whether I can get away > with it. I'm not sure what the Linux box would actually be doing in such > a situation, and whether you can serve from a part of the file system > that is really just a share from another server. > > If it did work though, it would meet our needs perfectly. I should add > that the NT guys don't want to put any appletalk support on the W2k > cluster. So am I missing something here? Wouldn't this work? > > Thanks for your help, > > Erik > -- The problem maybe, not 100% sure, is the file system on the NT machine may still have to be able to support mac name space and what not. I don't think that atalkd does anything with file systems and what not. Again I probably am wrong but I know Macs have their on file system. So just some food for thought.. Jason From joel at joelschneider.net Tue Apr 9 01:29:00 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] success? In-Reply-To: <200204082018.25394@ellegon.com>; from joelr@ellegon.com on Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 08:29:16PM -0500 References: <480f8e0a01042007d2@[172.29.97.10]> <200204082018.25394@ellegon.com> Message-ID: <20020409012942.E3237@joelschneider.net> On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 08:29:16PM -0500, Joel Rosenberg wrote: > The complications seem to have arisen from the > bizarre choice to go to a central Windows applications server running under > Linux -- without any particular need, other than to avoid sneakernet for file > sharing. My understanding from the article was that all the server appeared to need was samba, which is known to work well for most Windows based file sharing needs. -- Joel Schneider Yan Xin Qigong in Minneapolis joel@joelschneider.net http://yanxinqigong.minneapolis.mn.us/ From jack at jacku.com Tue Apr 9 07:28:34 2002 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] success? In-Reply-To: <480f8e0a01042007d2@[172.29.97.10]> References: <480f8e0a01042007d2@[172.29.97.10]> Message-ID: <02040907280700.01007@geezer> On Monday 08 April 2002 15:50, Ryan Ware wrote: > http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/4134/1/ > > After you read the story... > The solution met the required result but none of the optional results. > The solution did not meet the required result, but met the optional > results. > The solution did not meet either the required result or the optional > results. > The solution was one man's desire to implement linux no matter what. > As with some of the other comments I find that success and failure are not what this article is about. Its more about something most of us know. When you help somebody out setting up computer systems you better be prepared for the long haul. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From clay at fandre.com Tue Apr 9 08:28:30 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG Booth at Strictly Business Business volunteers? In-Reply-To: <20020408232749.T12125@real-time.com> References: <20020408232749.T12125@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020409132805.GA18139@fandre.com> Thanks Bob, I've been meaning to get this out. Yes, we have a booth at the Strictly Business Expo both days and we will need volunteers. So if you want to hang out at the booth and throw some flyers at people, let me know. I'm hoping to get enough people so we only have to do 2-3 hour shifts. To keep the traffic down send email to me directly. -- Clay On Mon, 08 Apr 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > I'm looking for someone to coordinate volunteers for TCLUG's booth at Strictly > Business. > > We have a booth, right Clay? > > Anyone want to head this up? > > -- > Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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My apache error log says: [Tue Apr 9 08:24:21 2002] [error] (2)No such file or directory: exec of /var/www/cgi-bin/dansguardian.pl failed [Tue Apr 9 08:24:21 2002] [error] [client x.x.x.x] Premature end of script headers: /var/www/cgi-bin/dansguardian.pl If I rename the original script back to dansgurdian.pl everything works again. If I view the scripts via gnome the one that works looks like a piston, and the one that does not work looks like a document. Thanks in advance -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 From goldman at htc.honeywell.com Tue Apr 9 09:07:01 2002 From: goldman at htc.honeywell.com (Robert P. Goldman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question about sendmail and mailx [more information] Message-ID: <15538.62856.497313.928033@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> I looked at my logs last night after trying to send some messages from my subsidiary machine (nyarlathotep) to my sendmail server (cthulhu). Here's what I found: Apr 9 07:54:13 cthulhu sendmail[3941]: g39CsDc03941: tcpwrappers (nyarlathotep, 192.168.0.14) rejection Apr 9 07:54:13 cthulhu sendmail[3941]: NOQUEUE: nyarlathotep [192.168.0.14] did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to MTA I'm not sure why this happened, and reading the xinetd man pages isn't helping. I assume from the above that tcpwrappers refused the connection FROM nyarlathotep, rather than nyarlathotep refusing a connection (auth) from cthulhu. Does that sound right? Can anyone explain to a User With Very Little Brain why this happens? I didn't believe that sendmail was going to be hidden behind tcpwrappers --- I thought it relied on its own authentication. Sounds like I need to add an xinetd config form to permit machines in my local subnet (only) to get at cthulhu's sendmail server. Does anyone have such a form? Looked for one on google, but couldn't find anything that fit. thanks, R From list at slushpupie.com Tue Apr 9 09:09:00 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] script problems In-Reply-To: <1812.204.220.62.130.1018360168.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> References: <1812.204.220.62.130.1018360168.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <20020409141037.3D5646031E@friday.localdomain.fake> It sounds like you are not spitting out the propper HTTP headrs. At a very minimum you must give the "Content-type: " header, but you may need some other headers for your application. Take a look at the original script and see what it prints before spitting out any "viewable" content. I also recomend reading up on CGI scripting. Jay On Tuesday 09 April 2002 08:49 am, you wrote: > I don't know if this is on topic. If not please advise me where I can get > help on this. > > I am specifically working with DansGuardian. Out of the box it is working > great. I am trying to replace the dansguardian.pl with one that fits our > needs. The permissions are set to 755, but I get internal server errors. My > apache error log says: > [Tue Apr 9 08:24:21 2002] [error] (2)No such file or directory: exec > of /var/www/cgi-bin/dansguardian.pl failed > [Tue Apr 9 08:24:21 2002] [error] [client x.x.x.x] Premature end of script > headers: /var/www/cgi-bin/dansguardian.pl > > If I rename the original script back to dansgurdian.pl everything works > again. > > > If I view the scripts via gnome the one that works looks like a piston, and > the one that does not work looks like a document. > > Thanks in advance From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Tue Apr 9 09:13:51 2002 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] success? Message-ID: <4bcb523002050007d2@[172.29.97.10]> >My understanding from the article was that all the server appeared to >need was samba, which is known to work well for most Windows based file >sharing needs. I guess what I saw when I read it and wondered why the person even tried to put the timeslips on a Samba share after being told it would not work. Imho it would have been much simpler and useful for the attorneys to go with a windows server as that would have allowed them to use all of the software they are used to. It just did not seem Linux was a fit at all for this scenario and the law firm put up with this because it was family member doing the work and cheap in price. I am a little weary of the "I switched my (mother, father, sister, dog) to linux and they love it stories, especially when it is for a business. For a business you use the computer system that meets your needs best. IPC 2002 From estabroo at talkware.net Tue Apr 9 09:29:01 2002 From: estabroo at talkware.net (Eric Estabrooks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] script problems References: <1812.204.220.62.130.1018360168.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <3CB2FA81.4030608@talkware.net> Raymond Norton wrote: > needs. The permissions are set to 755, but I get internal server errors. My > apache error log says: > [Tue Apr 9 08:24:21 2002] [error] (2)No such file or directory: exec > of /var/www/cgi-bin/dansguardian.pl failed make sure your shbang line points to a valid perl (at the top of the file) for example: #!/usr/bin/perl #!/usr/local/bin/perl Eric From joel at joelschneider.net Tue Apr 9 10:47:29 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] success? In-Reply-To: <4bcb523002050007d2@[172.29.97.10]>; from RWare@INTERPLASTIC.com on Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 09:14:08AM -0500 References: <4bcb523002050007d2@[172.29.97.10]> Message-ID: <20020409104743.G3237@joelschneider.net> On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 09:14:08AM -0500, Ryan Ware wrote: > I am a > little weary of the "I switched my (mother, father, sister, dog) to > linux and they love it stories, especially when it is for a business. > For a business you use the computer system that meets your needs best. A list of businesses using samba (presumably for Windows file sharing): http://www.samba.org/pub/samba/survey/ssstats.html From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Tue Apr 9 10:57:01 2002 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] success? Message-ID: <4c2a55ac0202f807d2@[172.29.97.10]> >A list of businesses using samba (presumably for Windows file sharing): Thanks for the list. I know Samba is feasable, my point was that it really didn't help in this scenario as one of the important applications will not work on a Samba share. IPC 2002 From joel at joelschneider.net Tue Apr 9 11:12:01 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] success? In-Reply-To: <4c2a55ac0202f807d2@[172.29.97.10]>; from RWare@INTERPLASTIC.com on Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 10:57:57AM -0500 References: <4c2a55ac0202f807d2@[172.29.97.10]> Message-ID: <20020409111154.I3237@joelschneider.net> On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 10:57:57AM -0500, Ryan Ware wrote: > Thanks for the list. I know Samba is feasable, my point was > that it really didn't help in this scenario as one of the important > applications will not work on a Samba share. I have some doubts about whether the networked version of timeslips would have worked correctly on a "regular" windows share. File corruption sounds vaguely like an old MS Access problem -- something not exactly known for making a good multi-user database system. -- Joel Schneider Yan Xin Qigong in Minneapolis joel@joelschneider.net http://yanxinqigong.minneapolis.mn.us/ From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Apr 9 11:30:01 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Keramik Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D766FC@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Does anyone have the url for where I can get Keramik? Keramik is a kde 3.0 style which is supposed to be better than Mosfet's liquid. The latest Redhat rawhide comes with it, but I don't use redhat. Jay From florin at iucha.net Tue Apr 9 11:45:31 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Keramik In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D766FC@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D766FC@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20020409164529.GA1744@iucha.net> On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 11:30:45AM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > Does anyone have the url for where I can get Keramik? Keramik is a kde 3.0 > style which is supposed to be better than Mosfet's liquid. The latest > Redhat rawhide comes with it, but I don't use redhat. http://dot.kde.org/1016696443/1016733006/1017050778/ florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 524 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020409/8af104a6/attachment.pgp From nassarsa at redconcepts.net Tue Apr 9 13:05:01 2002 From: nassarsa at redconcepts.net (Samir M. Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] removing ximian gnome In-Reply-To: <20020409123504.G29008@real-time.com> References: <20020409123504.G29008@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1018376402.11894.12.camel@yafa> Amy, You can select Evolution individually from the Ximian packages and just install those. It'll configure things for you BUT: You'll probably have to remove certain things. I had to remove some XMMS add-ons and change other stuff. It'll permanently screw up some of the efs2 (I think that is what is called) which will screw up Red Hat's up2date in regard to those packages. It also changed something to do with GTK, IIRC. As for removing Ximian... well good luck. The only way I could do it cleanly was to wipe and reinstall. I am sure that it _can_ be done without doing that, but the hassle was not worth it for me. If you have to reinstall I'd use Skipjack beta 2 until the new Red Hat comes out. That way you get evolution without the messy Ximian dependencies. (I think). Ximian seems to think that because they are into this MSFT .NET crap that Linux users should be treated like Windows users. It shoes in their installation. ('Let us take over' seems to be their motto) -- Samir M. Nassar - nassarsa@redconcepts.net RedConcepts.NET - Open Source, Public Service 'Open Source, Open Systems, Open Borders, Open Minds' Fingerprint = 4D04 E209 3FE5 DA25 A873 DD79 BD77 4511 BB2B AB9F From gabe at msi.umn.edu Tue Apr 9 13:08:02 2002 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux proxy for appletalk In-Reply-To: <1018323312.296.9.camel@tolkien>; from mitc0185@tc.umn.edu on Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 10:35:12PM -0500 References: <1018323312.296.9.camel@tolkien> Message-ID: <20020409130826.C28218@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 10:35:12PM -0500, Erik Mitchell wrote: > Hi, > > I've been given the task of trying to make some fileserver space > available to a couple of Macintosh users in my department. Our main file > server is a Windows 2000 cluster, with 260+ gigs of space (I know, I > don't make the decisions, ok?). We would like to use space from that > cluster because it gets backed up nightly. > > My idea is to set up a Linux box with Samba client and atalkd. I would > mount a shared folder with Samba from the cluster server and put it > somewhere in the directory tree, say /mnt/macs. I would then symbolic > link the two users' home folders to /mnt/macs, so that when they mount > the Linux box as an appletalk server (their home folders) they're really > just mounting samba space that actually exists on the W2k file server. > > This seems to resemble trickery, and I'm not sure whether I can get away > with it. I'm not sure what the Linux box would actually be doing in such > a situation, and whether you can serve from a part of the file system > that is really just a share from another server. This sounds overly complicated to me. If you've got Win2k fileservers, you can just use The Win2k Tools for Macintosh stuff to share out your files via appletalk directly from your Win2k servers. We're working on a similar solution here. -- Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu From amy at real-time.com Tue Apr 9 14:28:01 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] removing ximian gnome In-Reply-To: <20020409123504.G29008@real-time.com>; from amy@real-time.com on Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 12:35:04PM -0500 References: <20020409123504.G29008@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020409142835.C30232@real-time.com> On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 12:35:04PM -0500, Amy Tanner (amy@real-time.com) wrote: > Anyone know of a good way to remove Ximian's gnome desktop and still > have a functioning system? According to Ximian's mailing list archives, > the correct way to remove it is to use redcarpet and remove all packages > in the ximian gnome channel. I started down that path. Well, that > results in about 150 requested removals, and another 150+ necessary > removals. ugh! Thanks to Bob, there actually IS a good way. rpm -e --nodeps `rpm -qa | grep ximian` apt-get -f install -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 524 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020409/8e52694d/attachment.pgp From amy at real-time.com Tue Apr 9 15:51:01 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] removing ximian gnome In-Reply-To: <1018376402.11894.12.camel@yafa>; from nassarsa@redconcepts.net on Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 01:20:01PM -0500 References: <20020409123504.G29008@real-time.com> <1018376402.11894.12.camel@yafa> Message-ID: <20020409155059.J30232@real-time.com> On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 01:20:01PM -0500, Samir M. Nassar (nassarsa@redconcepts.net) wrote: > Amy, > > You can select Evolution individually from the Ximian packages and just > install those. It'll configure things for you BUT: > > You'll probably have to remove certain things. I had to remove some XMMS > add-ons and change other stuff. It'll permanently screw up some of the > efs2 (I think that is what is called) which will screw up Red Hat's > up2date in regard to those packages. > > It also changed something to do with GTK, IIRC. OK, for reference for anyone else trying this...I removed all ximian stuff (see previous post), then installed red-carpet and used red-carpet to install only evolution. Of course, evolution requires a bunch of other ximian stuff. I let it install everything it needed. After installing, here are all the ximian packages: [root@pelican tmp]# rpm -qa | grep ximian gtkhtml-1.0.2-ximian.1 libbonobo-conf0-0.14-ximian.1 pilot-link-0.9.5-ximian.2 libgal19-0.19.1-1.ximian.1 gnome-pilot-0.1.64-ximian.1 bonobo-conf-0.14-ximian.1 gal-0.19.1-1.ximian.1 libxml-1.8.17-1.ximian.1 evolution-1.0.3-ximian.4 red-carpet-1.3-1.ximian.4 libgtkhtml20-1.0.2-ximian.1 bonobo-1.0.19-ximian.2 oaf-0.6.8-1.ximian.1 The only one giving me problems with up2date now is pilot-link. Not perfect, but better than having 150+ ximian-based packages. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You can probably dink around with it and create /usr, /home, et al in individual files so you get the partition benefits without carving up your disk. It may or may not have a 2 GB size limit, maybe the newer versions use ext3 out of the box and have eliminated this issue. If you're looking for a safe way to run true Windows and true linux side by side without repartitioning or spending $$$, this is probably the best way to go. -Brian From clay at fandre.com Tue Apr 9 17:30:01 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Meeting notes Message-ID: <20020408133307.GC26725@fandre.com> I just wanted to thank Scot Jenkins for leading the "Text Editors" talk at the last TCLUG meeting. From what I heard nobody got hurt. His notes can be found at the bottom of the "Meetings" page of the TCLUG site. http://www.mn-linux.org/meetings/ Also, I am looking for a place to hold the next installfest. (hopefully in May) If you know of a good location, please send me an email directly. -- Clay _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Apr 9 17:30:29 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question about sendmail and mailx In-Reply-To: <15537.55638.120470.474180@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> References: <15537.55638.120470.474180@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <20020408184134.GC659@wookimus.net> Robert's goal: provide a central mail server that will allow delivery to local users for private LAN. Current software: sendmail, mailx Question: Is mailx an SMTP client? Answer: No. It's a very simple local delivery MUA. You need an MTA installed for mailx to be effective. Configure this MTA as a "null client" to your central SMTP server. Question: Do you need DNS on the local subnet? Answer: No. Turn off DNS lookup for local mail or use /etc/hosts files for name resolution of IP addresses. Turn off MX lookup. Suggestions =========== Sendmail, postfix, or exim. It doesn't really matter as long as you're comfortable with your server configuration, use it. exim or postfix may be easier to set up. All three are fairly powerful and flexible. Read the documentation. I would configure your central SMTP server to accept mail for the local domain (LAN), and use simple host file name resolution. Shut off DNS lookup for the local IP's. You can also configure the server to not accept email going outside the domain, where sender and receiver are mapped to the same domain address. sender@myprivate.lan receiver@myprivate.lan This is a little draconic, but if you do not expect email to leave the LAN, this is the best way to set it up. If you want to also use your SMTP server as a central relay host, your configuration gets slightly more complicated, but not really. Just make sure you set up your local sendmail.cw to include the names of your local LAN and any domain you're relaying for (not relaying to). Also, if you must, you can take advantage of your ISP's central SMTP server. This is especially true for some RBL lists that block dialup, or if your ISP doesn't do the footwork to make PTR records for all it's IP addresses. It's a broken SMTP server that won't allow email from these sources, but some people prefer to be draconic and receive less spam with the sacrifice that a few legitimate emails will be dropped. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020409/36b408d1/attachment.pgp From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Apr 9 17:30:43 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question about sendmail and mailx In-Reply-To: <15537.57918.646190.945308@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> References: <15537.55638.120470.474180@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> <200204081320.45380@ellegon.com> <15537.57918.646190.945308@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <20020408184625.GD659@wookimus.net> On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 01:32:30PM -0500, Robert P. Goldman wrote: > Actually, I installed sendmail by hand a while ago, because I wanted > to get envelope masquerading and a smart host, and I didn't know how > to get that with postfix. That could be because you didn't find the FAQ. If in doubt, Read the Fine Manual: http://www.postfix.org/faq.html#intranet -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From: Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Question about sendmail and mailx Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 13:13:55 -0500 (CDT) X-BodyNoiseScore: 73 (This score is weighted in favor of noise in a 2:1 ratio, plus a few extra tweeks) -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020409/5c1de9a7/attachment.pgp From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Apr 9 17:31:16 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux proxy for appletalk In-Reply-To: <1018323312.296.9.camel@tolkien> References: <1018323312.296.9.camel@tolkien> Message-ID: <20020409143241.GA2388@wookimus.net> Speaking from experience, netatalk, the software suite that includes atalkd, is not as robust as we would sometimes like it. OfficeXP software tweaks bugs over locking issues and other things. I cannot recall if there are any Open Source solutions for what you require. Ideally, you'd like to go directly to the Windows 2k cluster w/o using a middleman. I found this site which referenced a number of products that will allow you to do that: http://www.macwindows.com/Network.html I would certainly try out the netatalk and see if it works for you. We have successfully deployed it here at the IMA with the exception of a few programs. There are other weird quirky bugs that pop up, but most have been worked out either through configuration or simply "Don't do that" messages. I'm moderately pleased with it. Your proposal is certainly doable. Install the samba and netatalk tools and make sure your kernel supports mounting samba shares. You're going to loose some user and group translations in the setup most likely, so I'd be strict with the accounts you give the Mac users. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020409/ce9a4973/attachment.pgp From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Apr 9 17:31:32 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad C. Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question about sendmail and mailx [more information] In-Reply-To: <15538.62856.497313.928033@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> References: <15538.62856.497313.928033@mn65-zippy.htc.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <20020409145954.GD2388@wookimus.net> On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 09:07:04AM -0500, Robert P. Goldman wrote: > Apr 9 07:54:13 cthulhu sendmail[3941]: g39CsDc03941: tcpwrappers > (nyarlathotep, 192.168.0.14) rejection # /etc/hosts.allow # See also: hosts_access(5). # # SYNTAX daemonlist: clientlist [:shell command:] # daemonlist = daemon process names (ARGV[0]) or wildcards # clientlist = hostnames, fqdn, partial fqdn, ip addresses/mask, wildcards # shellcommand = executed in /bin/sh after '%' alias expansion (CAREFUL!!) # # NOTE: portmap must use IP's in clientlist ALL: LOCAL .mydomain.lan EXCEPT gateway.mydomain.lan sendmail: LOCAL .mydomain.lan `-------\_ Make sure you have sendmail in your hosts.allow on your server and client. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Erik On Tue, 2002-04-09 at 12:35, Amy Tanner wrote: > Anyone know of a good way to remove Ximian's gnome desktop and still > have a functioning system? According to Ximian's mailing list archives, > the correct way to remove it is to use redcarpet and remove all packages > in the ximian gnome channel. I started down that path. Well, that > results in about 150 requested removals, and another 150+ necessary > removals. ugh! > > Related to that, if I only want evolution, how many ximian custom > packages would need to be installed? > -- > Amy Tanner > amy@real-time.com -- "Those who corrupt the public mind are just as evil as those who steal from the public purse." Erik Mitchell www.erikmitchell.org mitc0185@tc.umn.edu -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Dave Erickson wrote: > Florin Iucha wrote: > >> On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 04:46:45PM -0500, Douglas Mosman wrote: >> >>> I'm planning to add a drive to my file server share but I wonder if >>> it will be too slow? >>> >>> Here's my setup >>> >>> sda2 - root (everything except /home) >>> hde2 - /home >>> sda3 - unused (14GB) >>> >>> using Samba to provide fill access to network clients >>> >>> My plan is to assign sda3 under the /home directory for network file >>> access. Specifically, I'd like to assign it to my private share. >>> >>> /home(hde2)/foo(sda3) >>> >>> While I haven't tried it yet, I'm assuming it should work. Also, I >>> can still keep my Samba assignments simple (currently I just have >>> public and the generic "home" shares). >>> >>> HOWEVER, will the system be accessing both hde2 (for /home) and sda3 >>> (for /home/foo) for every file access? Or will it know where >>> /home/foo is and directly access sda3 without traversing first to >>> /home (hde2)? >>> >> >> Regarding disk access, it will go directly to /home/foo. >> >> florin >> > > That will work fine. I have three SCSI disks mounted this way: > > /home > /home/dave/Media > /home/dave/Docs > From thudak at autonomous.tv Wed Apr 10 08:07:01 2002 From: thudak at autonomous.tv (Thomas J. Hudak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Trouble with iptables script In-Reply-To: <2526.63.164.68.163.1017892806.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> References: <2498.63.164.68.163.1017892448.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> <2526.63.164.68.163.1017892806.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <1018443802.4342.12.camel@Ikarus> On Wed, 2002-04-03 at 22:00, Raymond Norton wrote: > This time I will attach the script:) > > > > > I am using the attached script on my local LAN, on a RedHat 7.1 box. At > > first it works great for everything I need, but either time or maybe > > use will cause it to stop working, and not allow any Internet traffic > > through. The RedHat box looses Internet too. I have stopped the script, > > restarted iptables, and then launched the script again, but it whines > > about not being able to get an IP address on eth0. If I restart the > > box, and script, everything works great for a while. Use the -show option for iptables so that it shows packet counts for each specific "DENY" rule and ALLOW rules and watch which rules start increasing their packet count. You should be able to see which rule is causing the problems and remove or modify the rule accordingly.. Also could you supply the output of a "iptables -L -n" to give a better idea of the structure of the rules applied. -- Thomas J. Hudak Unix Consultant h. 651.636.0716 e. thudak@autonomous.tv "The stupidity of your action is proportional to the chances that someone is watching you." - Anonymous 1024D/78A5BF8A 2001-12-03 Thomas J. Hudak Key fingerprint = 00CD 7B9C 6921 B5CA 0E2A 51B5 130A E021 78A5 BF8A 1024g/09B1FF43 2001-12-03 [expires: 2002-12-03] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From seg at haxxed.mine.nu Wed Apr 10 10:34:00 2002 From: seg at haxxed.mine.nu (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Win9x keys and others References: Message-ID: <3CB45B83.2010303@haxxed.mine.nu> > as for the scroll lock key: try this in console > type something, press the scrolllock key (light goes on) and type some > more... notice something? i have yet to find a usefullness for this though You mean locking scrolling? Thats what scroll lock is supposed to do. ;P I had pause set to call xscreensaver-command -lock, and the screensaver set to this script: #!/bin/sh sleep 3 while true; do xset dpms force off; sleep 60; done Which shuts off my monitors and keeps them off. Whenever I leave my computer for and extended period I just hit pause and it locks the console and turns off the monitors. (Multihead, don'tcha know...) From spencer at autonomous.tv Wed Apr 10 11:01:02 2002 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (SpencerUnderground) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] scsi emulation Message-ID: <20020410160119.GE26000@autonomous.tv> Hola, I am having an issue with scsi emulation. I have a fresh install of RH7.2 (cause my drive with skipjack decided to die the other night :( ). On first boot I noticed both my dvd and cdrw drives were listed on the scsi chain 0,0,0 and 0,1,0 respectively. [spencer@conflict spencer]$ ls -l /dev/cdrom* lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Apr 9 23:06 /dev/cdrom -> /dev/scd0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Apr 9 00:58 /dev/cdrom1 -> /dev/scd1 When I try and burn mp3's to cdda with mp3burn I am able to successfully do so. Then I put in a dvd and it is not recognized. If I reboot the box and then put in a dvd the dvd works fine, but I can not burn a cd. In the past I have always only used scsi emulation on the burner. I added this to my modules.conf file [spencer@conflict spencer]$ cat /etc/modules.conf alias parport_lowlevel parport_pc alias eth0 3c59x alias sound-slot-0 emu10k1 post-install sound-slot-0 /bin/aumix-minimal -f /etc/.aumixrc -L\ >/dev/null 2>&1 || : pre-remove sound-slot-0 /bin/aumix-minimal -f /etc/.aumixrc -S\ >/dev/null 2>&1 || : #####Stolen from the internet options ide-cd ignore=hdb # tell the ide-cd module to ignore h alias block-major-11 sr_mod # load sr_mod upon access of scd0 pre-install sg modprobe ide-scsi # load ide-scsi before sg pre-install sr_mod modprobe ide-scsi # load ide-scsi before sr_mod pre-install ide-scsi modprobe ide-cd # load ide-cd before ide-scsi I was getting some errors in my syslog regarding the block-major-11 sr_mod, that is what prompted me to add these lines (the ones below ##Stolen from internet). I am getting frustrated with these two drives. One try I _can_ burn a cd next try I make a coaster. ( I do drink alot of beer, but I _don't_ need anymore coasters :) ) I will have to make this work consistantely, I have to, I just (finally) got dvd::rip to work on this box. It is very cool. It does want a gob of resources however. And I am suprised it even acts like it is working on this AMD K6II 450. Here is a snip from my syslog with a few errors. Apr 9 23:37:27 conflict kernel: sr0: CDROM (ioctl) reports ILLEGAL REQUEST. Apr 9 23:37:27 conflict last message repeated 3 times Apr 9 23:40:40 conflict modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module sound-slot-1 Apr 9 23:40:41 conflict modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module sound-service-1 -0 Apr 9 23:40:55 conflict gconfd (spencer-1246): 20 items remain in the cache aft er cleaning already-synced items older than 300 seconds Apr 10 00:09:18 conflict kernel: hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekCom plete Error } Apr 10 00:09:18 conflict kernel: hda: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError Ba dCRC } Apr 10 00:09:18 conflict kernel: hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekCom plete Error } Apr 10 00:09:18 conflict kernel: hda: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError Ba dCRC } Apr 10 00:09:18 conflict kernel: hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekCom plete Error } Apr 10 00:09:18 conflict kernel: hda: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError Ba dCRC } Apr 10 00:09:18 conflict kernel: hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekCom plete Error } Apr 10 00:09:18 conflict kernel: hda: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError Ba dCRC } Apr 10 00:09:18 conflict kernel: hdb: DMA disabled Apr 10 00:09:18 conflict kernel: ide0: reset: success ^[[AApr 10 04:02:07 conflict syslogd 1.4.1: restart. Apr 10 10:15:46 conflict kernel: cdrom: This disc doesn't have any tracks I recognize! Apr 10 10:16:18 conflict last message repeated 17 times Apr 10 10:17:19 conflict last message repeated 30 times Apr 10 10:18:21 conflict last message repeated 31 times Apr 10 10:19:23 conflict last message repeated 31 times Apr 10 10:20:15 conflict last message repeated 24 times Apr 10 10:20:18 conflict modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module sound-slot-1 Apr 10 10:20:18 conflict modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module sound-service-1-0 Apr 10 10:20:48 conflict kernel: scsi : aborting command due to timeout : pid 0, scsi0, channel 0, id 1, lun 0 Test Unit Ready 00 00 00 00 00 Apr 10 10:20:50 conflict kernel: hdd: irq timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } Apr 10 10:20:50 conflict kernel: hdd: DMA disabled Apr 10 10:20:50 conflict kernel: hdd: ATAPI reset complete Thanks for any help. 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The sound stuff means you got the wrong driver. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Wed Apr 10 14:42:00 2002 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] finding lost files In-Reply-To: <20020410160119.GE26000@autonomous.tv> Message-ID: A particular user of mine can not remember where she put an important file. How do I use grep to search her directory for just file names? Thanks a lot to the folks that helped me in getting vmware running. Thanks Colin Kilbane From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Wed Apr 10 14:46:02 2002 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] finding lost files In-Reply-To: References: <20020410160119.GE26000@autonomous.tv> Message-ID: <20020410144621.A7138@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 02:41:47PM -0500, Colin Kilbane wrote: > A particular user of mine can not remember where she put an important > file. How do I use grep to search her directory for just file names? Use "find". Such as: find . -name '*foo*' -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org From nassarsa at redconcepts.net Wed Apr 10 14:54:00 2002 From: nassarsa at redconcepts.net (Samir M. Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] finding lost files In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1018469330.14660.68.camel@yafa> Colin, find / |grep foo -- Samir M. Nassar - nassarsa@redconcepts.net RedConcepts.NET - Open Source, Public Service 'Open Source, Open Systems, Open Borders, Open Minds' Fingerprint = 4D04 E209 3FE5 DA25 A873 DD79 BD77 4511 BB2B AB9F From amy at real-time.com Wed Apr 10 15:25:02 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] disappearing files in /var/run Message-ID: <20020410152509.K32167@real-time.com> Is it normal for files created in /var/run to be deleted upon reboot? If yes, what is deleting them? I'm trying to get cfengine to work with encryption, and according to the documentation, the key file needs to live in /var/run/cfengine. This works fine until the box gets rebooted. After a reboot the key file is no longer there (but the /var/run/cfengine directory is). And I cannot find a way to specify an alternative location for the cfengine key file. Any ideas? -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 524 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020410/4b892237/attachment.pgp From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Apr 10 15:29:01 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] finding lost files In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1018470583.17319.1.camel@3po.dhs.org> On Wed, 2002-04-10 at 14:41, Colin Kilbane wrote: > A particular user of mine can not remember where she put an important > file. How do I use grep to search her directory for just file names? > Thanks a lot to the folks that helped me in getting vmware running. In addition to `find' like the others suggested, you can use `locate'. The locate database is usually updated overnight, so it isn't useful for files created recently, but it's often faster than using find (though it all depends on how many files are on your system..) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ If at first you don't / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ succeed, then skydiving \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) definitely isn't for you. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This > works fine until the box gets rebooted. After a reboot the key file is > no longer there (but the /var/run/cfengine directory is). And I cannot > find a way to specify an alternative location for the cfengine key file. > > Any ideas? > -- > Amy Tanner > amy@real-time.com Running RedHat? If so, /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit has this: # Clean up /var # I'd use find, but /usr may not be mounted. for afile in /var/lock/* /var/run/*; do if [ -d "$afile" ]; then [ "`basename $afile`" != "news" -a "`basename $afile`" != "sudo" -a "`basename $afile`" != "mon" ] && rm -f $afile/* else rm -f $afile fi done rm -f /var/lib/rpm/__db* It sure looks like the key file will get wasted on reboot. -- Jim Kaufman mailto:jmk@kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Linux Consultant, CCNA cell: 612-481-9778 public key 0x6D802619 fax: 952-937-9832 --- Single tasking: Just Say No. From amy at real-time.com Wed Apr 10 15:44:01 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] disappearing files in /var/run In-Reply-To: <20020410154042.A16238@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us>; from jmk@kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us on Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 03:40:42PM -0500 References: <20020410152509.K32167@real-time.com> <20020410154042.A16238@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Message-ID: <20020410154433.L32167@real-time.com> On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 03:40:42PM -0500, Jim Kaufman (jmk@kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us) wrote: > Running RedHat? If so, /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit has this: > > # Clean up /var > # I'd use find, but /usr may not be mounted. > for afile in /var/lock/* /var/run/*; do > if [ -d "$afile" ]; then > [ "`basename $afile`" != "news" -a "`basename $afile`" != "sudo" > -a "`basename $afile`" != "mon" ] && rm -f $afile/* > else > rm -f $afile > fi > done > rm -f /var/lib/rpm/__db* > > It sure looks like the key file will get wasted on reboot. Yes, I just found this. Anyone running cfengine 1.6.3 or earlier and using encryption? Or does anyone have an rpm for cfengine 2.0? -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Files under this directory should be cleared (removed or truncated as appropriate) at the beginning of the boot process. > If yes, what is deleting them? One of your init scripts, most likely. > I'm trying to get cfengine to work with encryption, and according to the > documentation, the key file needs to live in /var/run/cfengine. This > works fine until the box gets rebooted. After a reboot the key file is > no longer there (but the /var/run/cfengine directory is). And I cannot > find a way to specify an alternative location for the cfengine key file. Hack the relevant init script to make it ignore the cfengine directory and file a bug against cfengine. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Apr 10 15:59:24 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] disappearing files in /var/run In-Reply-To: <20020410152509.K32167@real-time.com> References: <20020410152509.K32167@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1018472321.17444.5.camel@3po.dhs.org> On Wed, 2002-04-10 at 15:25, Amy Tanner wrote: > Is it normal for files created in /var/run to be deleted upon reboot? > If yes, what is deleting them? > > I'm trying to get cfengine to work with encryption, and according to the > documentation, the key file needs to live in /var/run/cfengine. This > works fine until the box gets rebooted. After a reboot the key file is > no longer there (but the /var/run/cfengine directory is). And I cannot > find a way to specify an alternative location for the cfengine key file. If you can't find another way, I'd suggest making the keyfile in /var/run/cfengine a symlink (possibly to /etc/cfengine/foo) and re-creating it on boot. From natecars at real-time.com Wed Apr 10 17:44:01 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] finding lost files In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Colin Kilbane wrote: > A particular user of mine can not remember where she put an important > file. How do I use grep to search her directory for just file names? > Thanks a lot to the folks that helped me in getting vmware running. find . -type f | grep -i or, if you need to grep contents of files: find . -type f -exec grep --with-file -i -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Wed Apr 10 17:45:02 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] finding lost files In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Nate Carlson wrote: > > A particular user of mine can not remember where she put an important > > file. How do I use grep to search her directory for just file names? > > Thanks a lot to the folks that helped me in getting vmware running. > > find . -type f | grep -i > > or, if you need to grep contents of files: > > find . -type f -exec grep --with-file -i er, i suck (Hit send too quick): find . -type f -exec grep --with-file -i {} \; -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From alcyone at slava.net Wed Apr 10 17:49:01 2002 From: alcyone at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [vaguely on topic] tux craft patterns Message-ID: <20020410224426.GA1510@aldebaran.slava.net> As you may or may not know, I like to cross-stitch, and on the chance that some of you or some people you know also like to do crafty things, I thought I would share a couple of patterns I designed myself. They are two versions (big and small) of Tux. I posted them online to be available to anyone who likes Tux and crafts. There's also a picture of the cross-stitching I did, which has been called "cute" by at least three other people on the list. :) Enjoy! They are here: http://www.redconcepts.net/~strothlo Lorry From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Apr 10 19:12:00 2002 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [vaguely on topic] tux craft patterns In-Reply-To: <20020410224426.GA1510@aldebaran.slava.net> Message-ID: Hey, On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Lorry wrote: > As you may or may not know, I like to cross-stitch, and on the chance that some of you or some people you > know also like to do crafty things, I thought I would share a couple of patterns I designed myself. While I really know nothing whatsoever about cross-stiching, and the last time I did anything needle-related was when I still had a record player (turntable?), I do think this is really cool. I think it's great when people can do crossovers between their hobbies. The closest I ever got was telling people that if I ever start a band, I'll call it "Kernel Panic". So, anyone feel like starting a mediocre-at-best band named Kernel Panic? -Yaron -- From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Apr 10 20:30:01 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [vaguely on topic] tux craft patterns In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > So, anyone feel like starting a mediocre-at-best band named Kernel Panic? i can help you reach mediocrity if you are any good. -munir From tanner at real-time.com Wed Apr 10 23:21:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Strictly Business hand-outs? Message-ID: <20020410232118.A24819@real-time.com> What do you think of handing out these at Strictly Business? http://demolinux.org/ With the money collected for media on past installfests and kind donations of lug members of cdrs we got some extras. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Apr 10 23:24:00 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG Booth at Strictly Business Business volunteers? In-Reply-To: <20020408232749.T12125@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 11:27:49PM -0500 References: <20020408232749.T12125@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020410232428.A25347@real-time.com> Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com): > I'm looking for someone to coordinate volunteers for TCLUG's booth at Strictly > Business. > > We have a booth, right Clay? > > Anyone want to head this up? > Only 1 volunteer to man the booth? No, zero, 0 volunteers for heading this up? People not interested in having a booth at Strictly Business? Cuz it's a work day can't get off of work? -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Apr 10 23:40:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Microsoft Gives Up on Hailstorm Message-ID: <20020410234039.A25579@real-time.com> Yeah! Microsoft Gives Up on Hailstorm as seen on /. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Apr 11 00:13:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ximian Connector in red-carpet Message-ID: <20020411001234.F25579@real-time.com> For those who might not check red-carpt's unsubscribed area, there is a new channel "Ximian Connector" for the poor saps that run Exchange Server :-) Ximian Connector A software extension that enables Ximian Evolution to function as a Microsoft Exchange 2000 client -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From joellist at litriusgroup.com Thu Apr 11 06:38:04 2002 From: joellist at litriusgroup.com (destr0) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Microsoft Gives Up on Hailstorm References: <20020410234039.A25579@real-time.com> Message-ID: <007b01c1e15d$f8977c50$7f02a8c0@destro> gives up on what hailstorm? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Tanner" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 9:40 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Microsoft Gives Up on Hailstorm > Yeah! > > Microsoft Gives Up on Hailstorm as seen on /. > From wilson at isis.visi.com Thu Apr 11 06:38:34 2002 From: wilson at isis.visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Strictly Business hand-outs? In-Reply-To: <20020410232118.A24819@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > What do you think of handing out these at Strictly Business? > > http://demolinux.org/ I checked out demo linux recently. It's impressive, including both gnome and KDE, StarOffice, and lots of games, but the default desktops are ugly as sin in my view. That may not matter. The one person I showed it to was very impressed by how easy StarOffice appeared to be given his previous experience with MS Office. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Apr 11 07:59:00 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Microsoft Gives Up on Hailstorm In-Reply-To: <007b01c1e15d$f8977c50$7f02a8c0@destro> References: <20020410234039.A25579@real-time.com> <007b01c1e15d$f8977c50$7f02a8c0@destro> Message-ID: <1018529935.18792.11.camel@3po.dhs.org> On Thu, 2002-04-11 at 08:37, destr0 wrote: > gives up on what hailstorm? There's a New York Times article http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/11/technology/11NET.html Since that site requires registration, I'll give a bit of a summary (hopefully I'm not too far off). Hailstorm appears to have been renamed several times (the Times article says calls it "My Services", while Slashdot calls it "Persona"), but it was meant to be the core of Microsoft's big .NET strategy. Basically, Microsoft would store personal information on consumers (addresses, credit card numbers, etc.) and act as a "trusted" third party handling logins and transactions for any sites using the service. Basically, Passport on steroids, allowing you to log in once and visit many sites without having to re-enter information over and over. It's not a terrible idea, but people got really skittish about having Microsoft be the ones controlling all that info. Also, companies didn't want there to be anyone between them and their customers. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Gnome, a.k.a. The `CORBA / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Might' Maneuver \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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IPC 2002 From austad at marketwatch.com Thu Apr 11 09:20:02 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [vaguely on topic] tux craft patterns Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D7CE@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > > So, anyone feel like starting a mediocre-at-best band named Kernel > Panic? > > i can help you reach mediocrity if you are any good. A coworker of mine one said in a meeting with a bunch of pointy-haired managers, "Once you unwrap the lollipop of mediocrity, you'll be sucking on it forever." After that, he always seemed to get the equipment he needed. :) From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Apr 11 10:35:01 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG Booth at Strictly Business Business volunteers? In-Reply-To: <20020410232428.A25347@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 11:24:28PM -0500 References: <20020408232749.T12125@real-time.com> <20020410232428.A25347@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020411093520.N903@techmonkeys.org> On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 11:24:28PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Only 1 volunteer to man the booth? > > No, zero, 0 volunteers for heading this up? > > People not interested in having a booth at Strictly Business? > > Cuz it's a work day can't get off of work? Nobody said when, where, what, or how, I've got no idea if I'm available, what it is, or what I'd be doing there. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Apr 11 11:45:03 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Openoffice mirror is open Message-ID: <20020411114508.W17802@real-time.com> The openoffice.org mirror is now open. Enjoy. ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/openoffice/ -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From joelr at ellegon.com Thu Apr 11 11:50:02 2002 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Openoffice mirror is open In-Reply-To: <20020411114508.W17802@real-time.com> References: <20020411114508.W17802@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020411165010.EFB6B2332C@msp-65-25-234-54.mn.rr.com> On Thursday 11 April 2002 11:45 am, Bob Tanner wrote: > The openoffice.org mirror is now open. > > Enjoy. > > ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/openoffice/ Many thanks, Bob. From amy at real-time.com Thu Apr 11 12:12:00 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.1, openssl, and up2date Message-ID: <20020411121153.T32167@real-time.com> I'm pretty sure I've run into this problem before but have never found an elegant way to solve it. I have a RH 7.1 box with openssl-0.9.6-9 on it. I want to upgrade to the latest php (php-4.1.2-5) but it requires libcrypto.so.2 and libssl.so.2. When I search on rpmfind.net I see that openssl-0.9.6b-8 provides both of these. However, if I try to upgrade openssl, it warns me of a bunch of apps that require libcrypto.so.1 and libssl.so.1 so the upgrade fails. Running up2date on that box indicates openssl is up-to-date. 1. How can I solve this problem? Other than installing with a --nodeps and hoping nothing breaks... 2. Why does this happen so often, particularly with openssl? 3. Which version is newer: openssl-0.9.6b-8 or openssl-0.9.6-9 ? When I look at redhat's RHN site for system updates, a 7.2 box will list openssl-0.9.6b-8 but a 7.1 box will list openssl-0.9.6-9 as being the most current. 4. When, if ever, does RedHat update its RPMs available with up2date? I see php-4.1.2 has been out for awhile but RedHat provides only php-4.0.6-15. Thanks :) -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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However, if I try to upgrade > openssl, it warns me of a bunch of apps that require libcrypto.so.1 and > libssl.so.1 so the upgrade fails. Running up2date on that box indicates > openssl is up-to-date. > > 1. How can I solve this problem? Other than installing with a --nodeps > and hoping nothing breaks... Found the solution. In addition to upgrading openssl-0.9.6b-8, I had to install openssl096-0.9.6-6 which is a backwards-compatibility library, allowing packages requiring libcrypto.so.1 to work properly. I still am disappointed that RH's up2date service does not provide updated packages for php. But, I guess for only $60/year... -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The closest I ever got was > telling people that if I ever start a band, I'll call it "Kernel Panic". > > So, anyone feel like starting a mediocre-at-best band named Kernel Panic? > I'm in...all I can play are power chords on the guitar...can't get much more medicore than that! Jacque From dd-b at dd-b.net Thu Apr 11 14:12:03 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH 7.1, openssl, and up2date In-Reply-To: <20020411123533.U32167@real-time.com> References: <20020411121153.T32167@real-time.com> <20020411123533.U32167@real-time.com> Message-ID: Amy Tanner writes: > On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 12:11:54PM -0500, Amy Tanner (amy@real-time.com) wrote: > > I'm pretty sure I've run into this problem before but have never found > > an elegant way to solve it. I have a RH 7.1 box with openssl-0.9.6-9 on > > it. I want to upgrade to the latest php (php-4.1.2-5) but it requires > > libcrypto.so.2 and libssl.so.2. When I search on rpmfind.net I see that > > openssl-0.9.6b-8 provides both of these. However, if I try to upgrade > > openssl, it warns me of a bunch of apps that require libcrypto.so.1 and > > libssl.so.1 so the upgrade fails. Running up2date on that box indicates > > openssl is up-to-date. > > > > 1. How can I solve this problem? Other than installing with a --nodeps > > and hoping nothing breaks... > > Found the solution. In addition to upgrading openssl-0.9.6b-8, I had to > install openssl096-0.9.6-6 which is a backwards-compatibility library, > allowing packages requiring libcrypto.so.1 to work properly. I've also had luck simply making symbolic links to the new .2 libraries; so far everything has worked. I like this solution better, though. Thanks. > I still am disappointed that RH's up2date service does not provide > updated packages for php. But, I guess for only $60/year... Glad to know I'm not missing too much :-). -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / Ghugle: the Fannish Ghod of Queries John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From jacque at fruitioninc.com Thu Apr 11 14:18:46 2002 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG Booth at Strictly Business Business volunteers? In-Reply-To: <200204111651.g3BGp5h31149@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: - >> Only 1 volunteer to man the booth? >> >> No, zero, 0 volunteers for heading this up? >> >> People not interested in having a booth at Strictly Business? >> >> Cuz it's a work day can't get off of work? >Nobody said when, where, what, or how, I've got no idea if I'm available, >what it is, or what I'd be doing there. I haven't been following the list over the last few weeks, so sorry if this has already been explained. http://www.strictlyebusiness.net Its May 8th and 9th at the convention center in mpls. 10am - 5pm both days. What you do is you help out at our booth (its really just a table with a skirt on it), looking cute and answering questions that passers by have about linux and the TCLUG, while they pick up free junk. Some q's are technical but most aren't. Most are about joining the mailing list and meetings and installfests. We have little handout sheets that have the mailing list and website info. Its pretty easy and you get a cool exhibitor badge too. heh. It would be great if we had enough people volunteer so that other volunteers can leave and wander around and pick up cheap swag. Its is also nice to have people who are experts in different distros there too, because sometimes a person will ask the "I'm having a problem with..." kinda of question. So do something for your LUG...volunteer! Jacque From wilson at isis.visi.com Thu Apr 11 14:51:02 2002 From: wilson at isis.visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] XFree config problem Message-ID: Hey everyone, I'm almost done installing my Gentoo Linux system. (Very fun, BTW.) I've run into a problem with the config for XFree. I get the following when I try to 'startx'. /usr/X11R6/bin/startx: xauth: command not found /usr/X11R6/bin/startx: xauth: command not found /usr/X11R6/bin/startx: xauth: command not found /usr/X11R6/bin/startx: xauth: command not found /usr/X11R6/bin/startx: xinit: command not found /usr/X11R6/bin/startx: xauth: command not found Any suggestions? Other than this XF86Config snag, the install has been very smooth. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From feist at borg.umn.edu Thu Apr 11 17:59:00 2002 From: feist at borg.umn.edu (Chris Feist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ximian Connector in red-carpet In-Reply-To: <20020411001234.F25579@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 12:12:34AM -0500 References: <20020411001234.F25579@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020411175831.A30596@borg.umn.edu> Unfortunately you have to pay ~$70 bucks if you want the software to work. :-) Chris On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 12:12:34AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > For those who might not check red-carpt's unsubscribed area, there is a new > channel "Ximian Connector" for the poor saps that run Exchange Server :-) > > Ximian Connector > A software extension that enables Ximian Evolution to function as a Microsoft > Exchange 2000 client > -- > Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cbidler at innominatus.com Thu Apr 11 18:55:02 2002 From: cbidler at innominatus.com (Chris Johnson Bidler) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG Booth at Strictly Business Business volunteers? References: Message-ID: <3CB620F1.9060707@innominatus.com> Jacqueline Urick wrote: > Its May 8th and 9th at the convention center in mpls. 10am - 5pm both days. Gah! Both workdays, my wife's birthday (05/08) and my own (05/09)! Though I have much enjoyed the expo the last two years, and would otherwise find it worthwhile for the free swag alone, something tells me I won't be volunteering this time around. ^_^ C'mon, though, folks, it's a reasonably cool trade show, and there is a *ton* of low-to-mid-expense promotional swag to be had. You won't be sorry you went! From tanner at real-time.com Thu Apr 11 19:33:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] aptification of redhat complete Message-ID: <20020411193343.B17802@real-time.com> After some major hacking to the genbasedir script I'm happy to announce that the aptification of ftp.mn-linux.org is complete. All of Redhat 6.2 and Redhat 7.2 have been aptified. This is for all architectures for each release. 6.2/alpha 7.2/alpha rawhide/alpha 6.2/athlon 7.2/athlon 6.2/i386 7.2/i386 rawhide/i386 6.2/i486 7.2/i486 6.2/i586 7.2/i586 6.2/i686 7.2/i686 6.2/sparc 7.2/sparc rawhide/sparc 6.2/noarch 7.2/noarch 7.2/ia64 rawhide/ia64 7.2/s390 rawhide/s390 I rsync from the official mirrors starting at 11pm CDT, the aptification script start around 2am CDT and ends around 4am CDT. ** IMPORTANT ** Do not update your apt cache during the 2am CDT to 4am CDT window. I'll shut off the directory bits at 2am CDT to try to prevent accidental access, but if your inside already you -WILL- download a partially generated source listing and it will mess up apt. You have been warned! ** WARNING DID YOU READ THE ABOVE ** Sample sources.list attached and available at http://www.mn-linux.org/members/tanner/ -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 -------------- next part -------------- # Package repository URLs # # This list is restricted to Red Hat distributions. # # signed repositories can have a [sigtag] # if you remove it, no digital signature check will be made! # ## RedHat 7.2 base OS and updates rpm ftp://ftp.real-time.com/linux/apt redhat/7.2/i386 os updates #rpm ftp://ftp.real-time.com/linux/apt redhat/7.2/i486 updates #rpm ftp://ftp.real-time.com/linux/apt redhat/7.2/i586 updates rpm ftp://ftp.real-time.com/linux/apt redhat/7.2/i686 updates #rpm ftp://ftp.real-time.com/linux/apt redhat/7.2/athlon updates #rpm ftp://ftp.real-time.com/linux/apt redhat/7.2/ia64 os updates rpm ftp://ftp.real-time.com/linux/apt redhat/7.2/noarch updates #rpm ftp://ftp.real-time.com/linux/apt redhat/7.2/s390 os updates ## RedHat 6.2 base OS and updates #rpm ftp://ftp.real-time.com/linux/apt redhat/6.2/alpha os updates #rpm ftp://ftp.real-time.com/linux/apt redhat/6.2/i386 os updates #rpm ftp://ftp.real-time.com/linux/apt redhat/6.2/i586 updates #rpm ftp://ftp.real-time.com/linux/apt redhat/6.2/i686 updates #rpm ftp://ftp.real-time.com/linux/apt redhat/6.2/noarch updates #rpm ftp://ftp.real-time.com/linux/apt redhat/6.2/s390 os updates ## RedHat rawhide base OS and updates #rpm ftp://ftp.real-time.com/linux/apt redhat/rawhide/alpha os updates #rpm ftp://ftp.real-time.com/linux/apt redhat/rawhide/i386 os updates #rpm ftp://ftp.real-time.com/linux/apt redhat/rawhide/ia64 updates #rpm ftp://ftp.real-time.com/linux/apt redhat/rawhide/sparc os updates From uak at nerp.net Thu Apr 11 20:20:01 2002 From: uak at nerp.net (uak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] organization In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > We all got the PDA of our choice, a laptop with extra docking > stations/monitors to use it at home, fast network connections, Super > Pagers, cellphones, etc. > > All those things are nice, but to me the most important element (and I > realize this sounds like Management Talk) is Teamwork. The ability to rely > on my teammates, in perticular. I say, use a pencil/pen and paper and write down in your own handwriting the things that need attention. When the week is up, go back create a summary page, same for the month, and throw your notebooks in a drawer when they are full. Put action items on an internal webpage that your team can view/use where ever they are. Do not work alone to retain knowledge. > ...But most importantly: Make sure your team consists of people > who can (and if possible, like to) work together, and cn rely on each > other. People who have differences working together will destroy a project. Also, have people within the same geographical region on the same project. > Make sure responsibilities and knowledge are spread out > more-or-less equally withing the team (for example, Project X is the > responsibility of Diane and John, Project Y is Mary and Steve, etc) - this > way everyone has a backup and there's always someone you can ask for help. > > If at all possible, make sure the team has good leadership. I second these points. > I realize that sometimes you're the only person available and there really > s no team - but there are always people and groups you are working > with/for, and getting a good relationship with them is also invaluable. I must second this as well. Rely on your co-workers and ask them this same question. Cheers!, uak From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Apr 11 21:13:00 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] aptification of redhat complete In-Reply-To: <20020411193343.B17802@real-time.com> Message-ID: i thought apt had a problem with rpm 4.0.4? -munir From tanner at real-time.com Thu Apr 11 22:31:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] aptification of redhat complete In-Reply-To: ; from nassarmu@redconcepts.net on Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 09:13:21PM -0500 References: <20020411193343.B17802@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020411223157.J25579@real-time.com> Quoting Munir Nassar (nassarmu@redconcepts.net): > i thought apt had a problem with rpm 4.0.4? Latest build fixes the problem. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Fri Apr 12 01:05:02 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] aptification of redhat complete In-Reply-To: <20020411193343.B17802@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 07:33:43PM -0500 References: <20020411193343.B17802@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020412010504.S25579@real-time.com> Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com): > After some major hacking to the genbasedir script I'm happy to announce that > the aptification of ftp.mn-linux.org is complete. Erk! glibc-2.2.4-24 breaks compiling apt. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From doughanson at attbi.com Fri Apr 12 08:32:00 2002 From: doughanson at attbi.com (doughanson@attbi.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDE 3.0 install Message-ID: <20020412133220.CEBA1083.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@rwcrwbc56> Greetings, I have an install question? I am running RedHat 7.2 and would like to install KDE 3.0. I have never updated KDE and have no clue on how to do it! Can someone point me to a good HowTo and give me instructions on how to do this? Thanks in advance... -- Doug doughanson@attbi.com From clay at fandre.com Fri Apr 12 08:57:01 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG Booth at Strictly Business Business volunteers? In-Reply-To: References: <200204111651.g3BGp5h31149@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020412135648.GA23606@fandre.com> Thanks Jacque, I suppose I should have been more specific in my original message. I have gotten about 6-7 members volunteer to man the booth. I will try to make up some sort of schedule and send it out to those who volunteered. We could always use more help, so send me an email if you can make it. It doesn't have to be all day. An hour or two would help give the others a break. -- Clay On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > > I haven't been following the list over the last few weeks, so sorry if this > has already been explained. > > http://www.strictlyebusiness.net > > Its May 8th and 9th at the convention center in mpls. 10am - 5pm both days. > What you do is you help out at our booth (its really just a table with a > skirt on it), looking cute and answering questions that passers by have > about linux and the TCLUG, while they pick up free junk. Some q's are > technical but most aren't. Most are about joining the mailing list and > meetings and installfests. We have little handout sheets that have the > mailing list and website info. Its pretty easy and you get a cool exhibitor > badge too. heh. > > It would be great if we had enough people volunteer so that other volunteers > can leave and wander around and pick up cheap swag. Its is also nice to have > people who are experts in different distros there too, because sometimes a > person will ask the "I'm having a problem with..." kinda of question. > > > So do something for your LUG...volunteer! > > > > Jacque From sraun at fireopal.org Fri Apr 12 10:52:01 2002 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] attbi.com query Message-ID: <20020412105241.A23306@fireopal.org> I've got a co-worker who's thinking about getting broadband from attbi.com. Anyone currently have it that can answer some questions / render opinions? She's going to want to have up to six PC's able to access the internet simultaneously. She's pretty techie - has built her own PC's from scratch - but is only current on various Windows versions and products. Her Unix experience is four to six years old, and she was using DGUX (Data General Aviion's) and a Sun SPARC running SunOS, then converted to Solaris. So, what are the gotcha's for attbi.com? What does she want want to order for services, and what additional hardware does she need to pick up for her home network? She's not going to be interested in a Linux firewall right now. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From erik at ehanson.net Fri Apr 12 11:06:02 2002 From: erik at ehanson.net (Erik Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] attbi.com query References: <20020412105241.A23306@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <3CB705F1.F0B5222@ehanson.net> I have attbi and I like their service. They do have a "Home Networking" option that will allow you to get 3 total ip's for an extra $10 a month (not fixed IPs) but that does not sound like enough for her. If she does not want to build her own router, she will need to get one of the off the shelf solutions from linksys or netgear or whatever. I have not used those products since I set up my own OpenBSD router. I must say that their service has dropped off a bit with all thier mergers, but it has never been bad. -Erik Scott Raun wrote: > I've got a co-worker who's thinking about getting broadband from > attbi.com. > > Anyone currently have it that can answer some questions / render > opinions? > > She's going to want to have up to six PC's able to access the internet > simultaneously. She's pretty techie - has built her own PC's from > scratch - but is only current on various Windows versions and > products. Her Unix experience is four to six years old, and she was > using DGUX (Data General Aviion's) and a Sun SPARC running SunOS, then > converted to Solaris. > > So, what are the gotcha's for attbi.com? What does she want want to > order for services, and what additional hardware does she need to pick > up for her home network? She's not going to be interested in a Linux > firewall right now. > > -- > Scott Raun > sraun@fireopal.org > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joelr at ellegon.com Fri Apr 12 11:06:25 2002 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] attbi.com query In-Reply-To: <20020412105241.A23306@fireopal.org> References: <20020412105241.A23306@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <20020412160636.3BA0423331@msp-65-25-234-54.mn.rr.com> On Friday 12 April 2002 10:52 am, Scott Raun wrote: > I've got a co-worker who's thinking about getting broadband from > attbi.com. > > Anyone currently have it that can answer some questions / render > opinions? > > She's going to want to have up to six PC's able to access the internet > simultaneously. She's pretty techie - has built her own PC's from > scratch - but is only current on various Windows versions and > products. Her Unix experience is four to six years old, and she was > using DGUX (Data General Aviion's) and a Sun SPARC running SunOS, then > converted to Solaris. > > So, what are the gotcha's for attbi.com? What does she want want to > order for services, and what additional hardware does she need to pick > up for her home network? She's not going to be interested in a Linux > firewall right now. I don't have any direct experience with attbi.com, but I can say that my experience with roadrunner has been generally positive, and that the Linux and Windows internet connection sharing seems to work quite well. Neither attbi nor roadrunner formally support multiple IPs from the same box (at the consumer level, that is); both are reputed to do so generally, but not invariably, and it's probably unwise to count on being able to get more than one IP address consistently. (I can consistently get two off of my box, and only inconsistently get three.) Which means NAT, of course, and some sort of sharing software/hardware. This gets easier all the time. If she's going to go the Windows route, though, she's either going to want to get a combination firewall/router (probably the best choice; there's quite a few available), or at the very least a second NIC card for the gateway machine, and run the Class C local addresses (does anybody use Class B?) for the local net, with the gateway machine at 192.168.0.1 on the second NIC card, as Windows connection sharing demands, and picking up the IP address on the other NIC via DHCP. As usual, the problem with the cable modem broadband stuff is security -- from my machine, it's perfectly possible to see all the traffic on the local network segment, which, alas, includes things like POP passwords. From sraun at fireopal.org Fri Apr 12 11:27:00 2002 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] attbi.com query In-Reply-To: <3CB705F1.F0B5222@ehanson.net> References: <20020412105241.A23306@fireopal.org> <3CB705F1.F0B5222@ehanson.net> Message-ID: <20020412112705.B23306@fireopal.org> On Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 11:06:09AM -0500, Erik Hanson wrote: > I have attbi and I like their service. They do have a "Home > Networking" option that will allow you to get 3 total ip's for an > extra $10 a month (not fixed IPs) but that does not sound like > enough for her. How do they control that? How do they limit 3 DHCP IP's to a household? The only way I can think of is to limit them by MAC. > If she does not want to build her own router, she will need to get > one of the off the shelf solutions from linksys or netgear or > whatever. Anyone care to pipe in with equipment recommendations? Presumably a router with NAT & DHCP on one side, and capable of picking up a DHCP IP address on the other? An internal firewall on the device would be a plus. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From nate at refried.org Fri Apr 12 11:45:01 2002 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] attbi.com query In-Reply-To: <20020412112705.B23306@fireopal.org> References: <20020412105241.A23306@fireopal.org> <3CB705F1.F0B5222@ehanson.net> <20020412112705.B23306@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <20020412164928.GA10603@refried.org> On Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 11:27:06AM -0500, Scott Raun wrote: > How do they control that? How do they limit 3 DHCP IP's to a > household? The only way I can think of is to limit them by MAC. attbi.com matches your cable modem MAC and the MAC of the computer connected to it before giving you an IP. You have to tell them each time you change one of those. Nate From joelr at ellegon.com Fri Apr 12 11:46:01 2002 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] attbi.com query In-Reply-To: <20020412112705.B23306@fireopal.org> References: <20020412105241.A23306@fireopal.org> <3CB705F1.F0B5222@ehanson.net> <20020412112705.B23306@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <20020412164621.2B42A23331@msp-65-25-234-54.mn.rr.com> On Friday 12 April 2002 11:27 am, Scott Raun wrote: > On Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 11:06:09AM -0500, Erik Hanson wrote: > > I have attbi and I like their service. They do have a "Home > > Networking" option that will allow you to get 3 total ip's for an > > extra $10 a month (not fixed IPs) but that does not sound like > > enough for her. > > How do they control that? How do they limit 3 DHCP IP's to a > household? The only way I can think of is to limit them by MAC. Yup. It's possible to configure the cable modem to allow only N IPs, and some ISPs set N as 1 by default. > > > If she does not want to build her own router, she will need to get > > one of the off the shelf solutions from linksys or netgear or > > whatever. > > Anyone care to pipe in with equipment recommendations? Presumably a > router with NAT & DHCP on one side, and capable of picking up a DHCP > IP address on the other? Yup. Lots of choices. > An internal firewall on the device would be > a plus. I've heard good things about -- and own, but have never installed -- the bottom-of-the-line LinkSys Cable/DSL router, which is about $100. The interface is web-based. That said, I've also heard good things about smoothwall -- including how easy the setup is, although I've also heard some complaints about the people running the project -- and she can probably get an old 486 box perfectly capable of running it for about $100. If she wants to play around with Linux, a minimal installation of pretty much any distro and pmfirewall (just to pick the example I'm most familiar with) would do just fine, too, and by using a virtual IP address on the gateway machine (Linux can run two IPs on the same NIC; Windows, I believe, can't), and the setup should be easy. (Famous last words, but I have install pmfirewall, and the text-only installation script is pretty straightforward.) Failing that, if she wants to go the Windows-only route, a 486+ Win98 (or later) box with two NICs, running Windows Internet Connection sharing -- and presumably running some firewall software -- should easily be able to keep up with a cable connection. The advantage to going with Windows on the gateway machine -- at least initially -- is the tech support. If there's a problem with the connection, the tech support people will be able to walk her through diagnosis and debugging on a Windows machine, but not on anything else. From erik at ehanson.net Fri Apr 12 11:46:20 2002 From: erik at ehanson.net (Erik Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] attbi.com query References: <20020412105241.A23306@fireopal.org> <3CB705F1.F0B5222@ehanson.net> <20020412112705.B23306@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <3CB70F53.1C093544@ehanson.net> Scott Raun wrote: > On Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 11:06:09AM -0500, Erik Hanson wrote: > > I have attbi and I like their service. They do have a "Home > > Networking" option that will allow you to get 3 total ip's for an > > extra $10 a month (not fixed IPs) but that does not sound like > > enough for her. > > How do they control that? How do they limit 3 DHCP IP's to a > household? The only way I can think of is to limit them by MAC. That is exactly how they do it. Before you can get on you have to give them you MAC Addresses. > > -- > Scott Raun > sraun@fireopal.org > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rahrenstorff at yahoo.com Fri Apr 12 11:57:01 2002 From: rahrenstorff at yahoo.com (Rodd Ahrenstorff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] attbi.com query In-Reply-To: <20020412112705.B23306@fireopal.org> References: <20020412105241.A23306@fireopal.org> <3CB705F1.F0B5222@ehanson.net> <20020412112705.B23306@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <20020412165722.HTIV1143.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@there> > Anyone care to pipe in with equipment recommendations? Presumably a > router with NAT & DHCP on one side, and capable of picking up a DHCP > IP address on the other? An internal firewall on the device would be > a plus. Go buy a Linksys, D-Link or SMC switch/router for Cable modem connections. (I use a D-Link DI-704) Do not purchase the "family" crap from AT&T. Normally they will issue one IP address served by DHCP to your new cable modem router. That device will then serve an IP address to all your PC's on the LAN using NAT and DHCP. It will serve up to 32 simultanious internet connections. The built-in firewall is very good and allows port forwarding to specific PC's and even has a DMZ zone for a single PC. The service from ATT has been very good. I have had no outages in 1 year of service. Also, you can purchase a cable modem (Best Buy) and save an additional $10/month. It will pay itself off in 10-12 months. From doughanson at attbi.com Fri Apr 12 11:57:23 2002 From: doughanson at attbi.com (doughanson@attbi.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] attbi.com query Message-ID: <20020412165739.UAKH15826.rwcrmhc54.attbi.com@rwcrwbc56> Well, I have been using Winderz ME Internet sharing and have 6 computers running off of that for sometime now. I have had no problems to date. If she as a pc laying around, she could do that quite easily. Of course, a Linux distro would be prefreble for this! -- Doug doughanson@attbi.com "In your cubicle no one can hear you scream" > On Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 11:06:09AM -0500, Erik Hanson wrote: > > I have attbi and I like their service. They do have a "Home > > Networking" option that will allow you to get 3 total ip's for an > > extra $10 a month (not fixed IPs) but that does not sound like > > enough for her. > > How do they control that? How do they limit 3 DHCP IP's to a > household? The only way I can think of is to limit them by MAC. > > > If she does not want to build her own router, she will need to get > > one of the off the shelf solutions from linksys or netgear or > > whatever. > > Anyone care to pipe in with equipment recommendations? Presumably a > router with NAT & DHCP on one side, and capable of picking up a DHCP > IP address on the other? An internal firewall on the device would be > a plus. > > -- > Scott Raun > sraun@fireopal.org > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Apr 12 11:59:00 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] attbi.com query In-Reply-To: <20020412105241.A23306@fireopal.org> References: <20020412105241.A23306@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <20020412165900.GH1632@sistina.com> On Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 10:52:42AM -0500, Scott Raun wrote: > >Anyone currently have it that can answer some questions / render >opinions? I have it here at home. I am currently using a linksys broadband router to do my NAT and such so i didn't opt for the extra fee for having more than one machine on thier network. Also, thier email setup is pretty cool for a big isp. pop3 over ssl, spam blocking/filtering etc. Thier online techsupport deal is cool as shit. I was able to use this little java applet on thier website that's the equivalent of irc only it's a one-to-one type deal, you talk directly with a single tech and it's similar to a phone call. I used that to add a MAC address for tinkering with a new firewall here at home. All in all I'm pleased. -- Ben Lutgens http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ Sistina Software Inc. (mail -s "get -info" blutgens-info@sistina.com) for my gpg key, IM info etc. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You have to tell them each > time you change one of those. > That is, as far as I can tell, an argument in favor of Roadrunner; if you mess with your system, you don't have to negotiate with them over a new MAC. That said, if you're using one of the dedicated router/firewall boxes, you're probably not going to be changing the MAC, which will be of the router/firewall box, rather than the computer. (Quibble: the MAC address is that of the NIC card or other device that connects to the cable modem, not the computer.) From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Apr 12 12:07:01 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] attbi.com query Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D7FF@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Make sure she tells them she's only running one machine or they will charge her $5 for each additional machine. Just stick a NAT device in front of everything. I have attbi right now, and it works well. They won't even install it if you tell them you are running an unsupported OS though (linux, any kind of unix, etc.). Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Raun [mailto:sraun@fireopal.org] > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 10:53 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] attbi.com query > > > I've got a co-worker who's thinking about getting broadband > from attbi.com. > > Anyone currently have it that can answer some questions / > render opinions? > > She's going to want to have up to six PC's able to access the > internet simultaneously. She's pretty techie - has built her > own PC's from scratch - but is only current on various > Windows versions and products. Her Unix experience is four > to six years old, and she was using DGUX (Data General > Aviion's) and a Sun SPARC running SunOS, then converted to Solaris. > > So, what are the gotcha's for attbi.com? What does she want > want to order for services, and what additional hardware does > she need to pick up for her home network? She's not going to > be interested in a Linux firewall right now. > > -- > Scott Raun > sraun@fireopal.org _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Fri Apr 12 12:07:26 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] aptification of redhat complete In-Reply-To: <20020411193343.B17802@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 07:33:43PM -0500 References: <20020411193343.B17802@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020412120726.C17802@real-time.com> I've updated the sources.list file at http://www.mn-linux.org/members/tanner/ To include a new respository, the tclug repository. Right now there is only 1 package, apt itself. People who have apt installed should merge the changes into your sources.list. New people or people who have not install apt before just download the rpms here: ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/apt/realtime/7.2/i386/RPMS.tclug/ -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From xpoverby at attbi.com Fri Apr 12 12:22:01 2002 From: xpoverby at attbi.com (Paul Overby) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Raid Devices Message-ID: <3CB717DC.A8F7E059@attbi.com> What's a good raid device in the 500 gig range. -- Paul Overby xpoverby@attbi.com From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Apr 12 12:28:01 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The best firewall ever made. :) Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D802@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Ok, I just got ahold of some Netscreen (http://www.netscreen.com) firewalls. I have some of their big ones, but I also got myself a 5xp for home. The 5xp is $495, and it's barely more than the size of 2 decks of playing cards side by side. This thing is amazing. Everything is implemented on chip, including the firewalling engine and the IPSec stuff. The chip is the same chip they put in their big firewalls, which supports 700Mbit of throughput, and 270Mbit of IPSec throughput. They've limited the 5xp to 10 tunnels, and stuck 10Mbit interfaces on it to limit it. It will support 2000 separate sessions, can act as a VPN server and a client. Has OSPF and BGP routing, a nice web interface, cisco style command line, built in ssh and https, dhcp client for cable modem/dsl users, and you can map outside ports to different internal servers (great for if you only have one public ip and multiple servers on the inside). It can run in transparent mode, where you just plug it inline with one of your ethernet cables and it acts as a filtering bridge, or you can do route or nat mode. Route mode is probably the most robust, as you can still add NAT policies to take care of NAT if you need it. Oh, I almost forgot, it also has a captive gateway functionality. So if you have a wireless net, and you try to go somewhere, the browser (or telnet session) will bring up a user/pass prompt generated by the firewall, and you have to login with a valid id before it will pass traffic for you. It can authenticate via a local database, or using RADIUS or LDAP. You can give varying degrees of access based on usernames also. Their bigger firewalls support up to 99 VLANS, and each one can be in a different security zone (99 DMZ's). You don't have the typical "security levels" associated with each zone either. Each one can have varying degrees of access to each other. They also have Virtual routers, where you can tell it to only route between certain VLAN's/Zones, so your office network can be completely independent of your production environment. For ISP's, it supports Virtual Systems. You can sell firewall services to clients, and they get their own virtual firewall with their own login. They can only see and modify settings for their stuff, but they can manage it themselves with no risk of screwing up the rest of your network. In any case, the $495 5xp has more features than most $30,000 firewalls, and also has better performance (though it only has 10Mbit interfaces). If you're looking for a great home firewall or something for remote offices, this thing is definitely the way to go. Jay From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Apr 12 12:31:01 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] someone with an auto responder again Message-ID: <20020412173122.GI1632@sistina.com> O.k. one of you has an email system with some sort of sensitivity scanner which replies to mails sent to the list with "Dirty Words" in them. Your stuff should be configured to NOT respond to mails sent to the list, even if they respond directly to the person and not the entire list. To the list administrators: If this were a list run by me, i'd have already removed this person from the list. Relevant snippet from the response I recieved. Received: by mxsfrcocn1.mt.frco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <2ZTHNWB5>; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:02:08 -0500 Message-Id: +<676039072D37D4118FC400508BCF9B39056F2158@b-mxsfrcocha01.ep.frco.com> From: System Attendant To the person who this is (i didn't bother to look to deeply cause it didn't irritate me enough to do so) you are a complete #Expletive-deleted-so-i-don't-get-another-irritating-reply* -- Ben Lutgens http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ Sistina Software Inc. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Well, that's fucked up. :) From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Apr 12 12:52:01 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The best firewall ever made. :) Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D806@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> I should probably also mention a quote by one of my coworkers. If you're easily offended, stop reading now. "This thing may look tiny, but it's got a cock that's 8 feet long." > -----Original Message----- > From: Austad, Jay [mailto:austad@marketwatch.com] > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 12:28 PM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: [TCLUG] The best firewall ever made. :) > > > Ok, I just got ahold of some Netscreen > (http://www.netscreen.com) firewalls. I have some of their > big ones, but I also got myself a 5xp for home. > > The 5xp is $495, and it's barely more than the size of 2 > decks of playing cards side by side. This thing is amazing. > Everything is implemented on chip, including the firewalling > engine and the IPSec stuff. The chip is the same chip they > put in their big firewalls, which supports 700Mbit of > throughput, and 270Mbit of IPSec throughput. > > They've limited the 5xp to 10 tunnels, and stuck 10Mbit > interfaces on it to limit it. It will support 2000 separate > sessions, can act as a VPN server and a client. Has OSPF and > BGP routing, a nice web interface, cisco style command line, > built in ssh and https, dhcp client for cable modem/dsl > users, and you can map outside ports to different internal > servers (great for if you only have one public ip and > multiple servers on the inside). It can run in transparent > mode, where you just plug it inline with one of your ethernet > cables and it acts as a filtering bridge, or you can do route > or nat mode. Route mode is probably the most robust, as you > can still add NAT policies to take care of NAT if you need > it. Oh, I almost forgot, it also has a captive gateway > functionality. So if you have a wireless net, and you try to > go somewhere, the browser (or telnet session) will bring up a > user/pass prompt generated by the firewall, and you have to > login with a valid id before it will pass traffic for you. It > can authenticate via a local database, or using RADIUS or > LDAP. You can give varying degrees of access based on usernames also. > > Their bigger firewalls support up to 99 VLANS, and each one > can be in a different security zone (99 DMZ's). You don't > have the typical "security levels" associated with each zone > either. Each one can have varying degrees of access to each > other. They also have Virtual routers, where you can tell it > to only route between certain VLAN's/Zones, so your office > network can be completely independent of your production > environment. For ISP's, it supports Virtual Systems. You > can sell firewall services to clients, and they get their own > virtual firewall with their own login. They can only see and > modify settings for their stuff, but they can manage it > themselves with no risk of screwing up the rest of your network. > > In any case, the $495 5xp has more features than most $30,000 > firewalls, and also has better performance (though it only > has 10Mbit interfaces). If you're looking for a great home > firewall or something for remote offices, this thing is > definitely the way to go. > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From mbusse at bussefamily.com Fri Apr 12 13:19:00 2002 From: mbusse at bussefamily.com (Michael Busse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Modems in Linux Message-ID: <200204121820.g3CIKQM13002@webmail.bussefamily.com> Anyone have any recommendations on modems that will work with RH7.2 linux. TIA, Mike From seg at haxxed.mine.nu Fri Apr 12 13:20:01 2002 From: seg at haxxed.mine.nu (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] aptification of redhat complete References: <20020411193343.B17802@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3CB7250D.8000200@haxxed.mine.nu> > ** IMPORTANT ** Do not update your apt cache during the 2am CDT to 4am CDT > window. I'll shut off the directory bits at 2am CDT to try to prevent accidental > access, but if your inside already you -WILL- download a partially generated > source listing and it will mess up apt. You have been warned! > > ** WARNING DID YOU READ THE ABOVE ** Why not have the script generate into a temporary file/directory, and then just mv the files over when its done? From clay at fandre.com Fri Apr 12 13:25:02 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Raid Devices References: <3CB717DC.A8F7E059@attbi.com> Message-ID: <3CB7267E.5030902@fandre.com> Direct attached, NAS, SAN, SCSI, IDE? More specifics please. If you are looking for a simple NAS solution, NetApps filers (http://www.netapp.com) are great. Easy to configure and very solid. We have 3 of them at my current client site and they've performed great for them for years. Supports both NFS and CIFS simultanously, among other cool features such as snapshots. Paul Overby wrote: > What's a good raid device in the 500 gig range. From jspinti at dartdist.com Fri Apr 12 13:42:01 2002 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDE 3.0 install In-Reply-To: <20020412133220.CEBA1083.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@rwcrwbc56> References: <20020412133220.CEBA1083.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@rwcrwbc56> Message-ID: <1018632196.23308.166.camel@Dart-71_linux> On Fri, 2002-04-12 at 08:32, doughanson@attbi.com wrote: > Greetings, > > I have an install question? I am running RedHat 7.2 and > would like to install KDE 3.0. I have never updated KDE > and have no clue on how to do it! Can someone point me > to a good HowTo and give me instructions on how to do > this? Thanks in advance... > > -- > Doug > doughanson@attbi.com check out this url,it isn't a howto, but lists his experiences: http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/4138/1/ -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 398 952-368-3255 fax From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Apr 12 14:09:00 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Raid Devices Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D80E@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> DotHill stuff is pretty good too. http://www.dothill.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Clay Fandre [mailto:clay@fandre.com] > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 1:25 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Raid Devices > > > Direct attached, NAS, SAN, SCSI, IDE? More specifics please. > > If you are looking for a simple NAS solution, NetApps filers > (http://www.netapp.com) are great. Easy to configure and very > solid. We > have 3 of them at my current client site and they've > performed great for > them for years. Supports both NFS and CIFS simultanously, among other > cool features such as snapshots. > > Paul Overby wrote: > > What's a good raid device in the 500 gig range. > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From nate at refried.org Fri Apr 12 14:13:00 2002 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] attbi.com query In-Reply-To: <20020412170606.3920523331@msp-65-25-234-54.mn.rr.com> References: <20020412105241.A23306@fireopal.org> <20020412112705.B23306@fireopal.org> <20020412164928.GA10603@refried.org> <20020412170606.3920523331@msp-65-25-234-54.mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <20020412191711.GA10980@refried.org> On Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 12:06:05PM -0500, Joel Rosenberg wrote: > On Friday 12 April 2002 11:49 am, nate@refried.org wrote: > > attbi.com matches your cable modem MAC and the MAC of the computer > > connected to it before giving you an IP. You have to tell them each > > time you change one of those. > > That is, as far as I can tell, an argument in favor of Roadrunner; if you > mess with your system, you don't have to negotiate with them over a new MAC. IMNSHO, everyone should have a firewall that they don't mess with. If you're swapping out network cards that often, you shouldn't be doing it to the computer that connects to the cable modem. I've changed the MAC address twice, and both times was really easy. I just use the online helpdesk chat system to change it before I make the change. > (Quibble: the MAC address is that of the NIC card or other device > that connects to the cable modem, not the computer.) Believe it or not, they need the serial number and MAC of the cable modem. Then they'll ask you for the MAC of the NIC in your computer that is connected to the cable modem. I've changed NICs and I've changed cable modems. I know what they ask for. Nate From tanner at real-time.com Fri Apr 12 14:24:00 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] aptification of redhat complete In-Reply-To: <3CB7250D.8000200@haxxed.mine.nu>; from seg@haxxed.mine.nu on Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 01:18:53PM -0500 References: <20020411193343.B17802@real-time.com> <3CB7250D.8000200@haxxed.mine.nu> Message-ID: <20020412142408.F17802@real-time.com> Quoting Callum Lerwick (seg@haxxed.mine.nu): > > ** IMPORTANT ** Do not update your apt cache during the 2am CDT to 4am CDT > > window. I'll shut off the directory bits at 2am CDT to try to prevent accidental > > access, but if your inside already you -WILL- download a partially generated > > source listing and it will mess up apt. You have been warned! > > > > ** WARNING DID YOU READ THE ABOVE ** > > Why not have the script generate into a temporary file/directory, and > then just mv the files over when its done? Cuz the binaries behind the scripts are not very flexiable with locations of files. And I don't have the time to hack the code. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Fri Apr 12 14:24:32 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Raid Devices In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D80E@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 02:09:06PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D80E@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20020412142426.G17802@real-time.com> Quoting Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com): > DotHill stuff is pretty good too. http://www.dothill.com Pretty expensive too. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Fri Apr 12 14:24:51 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Raid Devices In-Reply-To: <3CB717DC.A8F7E059@attbi.com>; from xpoverby@attbi.com on Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 12:22:36PM -0500 References: <3CB717DC.A8F7E059@attbi.com> Message-ID: <20020412142454.H17802@real-time.com> Quoting Paul Overby (xpoverby@attbi.com): > What's a good raid device in the 500 gig range. I like BigStorage, they can competitive prices and actually knew what GFS was! -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Apr 12 14:26:03 2002 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Modems in Linux In-Reply-To: <200204121820.g3CIKQM13002@webmail.bussefamily.com> Message-ID: | Anyone have any recommendations on modems that will work with RH7.2 | linux. That's pretty easy... Anything that isn't a POS WinModem, SoftModem, or one of the many other various terms for them. Avoid those, and you should be fine. I'm not sure how a USB modem will work, support is there though. Never used one myself. (for adapters that support the Communication Device Class Abstract Control Model interface.) Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world." On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, Michael Busse wrote: | | TIA, | | Mike | _______________________________________________ | Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota | http://www.mn-linux.org | tclug-list@mn-linux.org | https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list | From xpoverby at attbi.com Fri Apr 12 14:29:21 2002 From: xpoverby at attbi.com (Paul Overby) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Raid Devices References: <3CB717DC.A8F7E059@attbi.com> <3CB7267E.5030902@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3CB735C9.67A5A134@attbi.com> Is it possible to implement an ide raid solution providing 500 gig storage capacity? I am assuming ide would provide the lowest cost which is the principle consideration. however there is a desire for hot swappable drives which I thought would require scsi. NAS and SAN are probably not in the price range. Performace is not really a principle issue and a software raid implementation is probably adequate. Clay Fandre wrote: > > Direct attached, NAS, SAN, SCSI, IDE? More specifics please. > > Paul Overby wrote: > > What's a good raid device in the 500 gig range. > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Paul Overby xpoverby@attbi.com From jeffr at odeon.net Fri Apr 12 14:50:02 2002 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Raid Devices In-Reply-To: <3CB735C9.67A5A134@attbi.com> Message-ID: Take a look at 3ware.com, their escalade raid cards are pretty nifty, and fairly well supported in linux. Their newest 7850 cards (which pricewatch.com lists for about $510) will support 160 eide hard drives (may require an update to the card). 8 160 gig drives will give you 1120 gigs, for about $2500 (drives+card). Note that the newer cards are 64-bit PCI cards. I've got a couple of their older 4-port 6000 series cards running under linux and have been quite happy with them. I believe these card support hot-swap but my application didn't require it so I didn't get hot-swap canisters. I believe that Promise makes a 6-port eide raid card that also works well with linux. 6 120 gig drives would give you your target 500 gigs. IIRC, their products are still 32-bit PCI cards. You can probably find out more information at www.promise.com. Jeff On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, Paul Overby wrote: > Is it possible to implement an ide raid solution providing 500 gig > storage capacity? > I am assuming ide would provide the lowest cost which is the principle > consideration. > however there is a desire for hot swappable drives which I thought would > require scsi. > > > NAS and SAN are probably not in the price range. > > Performace is not really a principle issue and a software raid > implementation is probably > adequate. > > > Clay Fandre wrote: > > > > Direct attached, NAS, SAN, SCSI, IDE? More specifics please. > > > > Paul Overby wrote: > > > What's a good raid device in the 500 gig range. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From joelr at ellegon.com Fri Apr 12 15:02:02 2002 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Raid Devices In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020412200142.D477B23331@msp-65-25-234-54.mn.rr.com> Hot-swappable RAID is certainly possible with IDE, although Tran at Tran Micro says that he's seen some serious heat build-up problems, and when I suggested that we go that route when I upgraded my machine, he talked me out of the hot-swap mounts. From natecars at real-time.com Fri Apr 12 15:15:03 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Raid Devices In-Reply-To: <3CB717DC.A8F7E059@attbi.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, Paul Overby wrote: > What's a good raid device in the 500 gig range. Depends what you want. If you want a hardware NAS device, pick a vendor, any vendor. If you want to build a Linux box with 500+gb of RAID, the Promise IDE RAID controllers work quite well. Gladiator's got one array of 6 160gb disks in RAID5 hanging off one of these controllers, so that's 800gb usable. Tell us more about what you want, and we'll give you ideas. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From joelr at ellegon.com Fri Apr 12 15:24:00 2002 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Raid Devices In-Reply-To: <3CB717DC.A8F7E059@attbi.com> References: <3CB717DC.A8F7E059@attbi.com> Message-ID: <20020412202401.B5BAA23331@msp-65-25-234-54.mn.rr.com> On Friday 12 April 2002 12:22 pm, Paul Overby wrote: > What's a good raid device in the 500 gig range. I'm probably missing something, but it seems to me that for a lot of folks, the best bang-for-the-buck RAID device would be Linux box set up with one's choice of SCSI/IDE controllers and hard drives, hot-swappable or not, depending on budget and needs. From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Apr 12 17:07:01 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Modems in Linux In-Reply-To: <200204121820.g3CIKQM13002@webmail.bussefamily.com> References: <200204121820.g3CIKQM13002@webmail.bussefamily.com> Message-ID: <20020412184717.GB20418@wookimus.net> On Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 01:20:26PM -0500, Michael Busse wrote: > Anyone have any recommendations on modems that will work with RH7.2 > linux. If money is no object, get the External USRobotics External 56K Sportster serial modem. Why? I've had bad luck with internal modems, usually involving hardware lockups that are only recoverable through rebooting the computer. If the external modem fails on you, you power-cycle the modem, reinitialize your ppp session, and you're golden. If money is an object try to stay away from the Winmodems, unless it's a Lucent Technologies modem. Winmodems refer to modems that rely upon software/kernel-level control. Traditional modems have a UART chip that controls the hardware. These make the cards more expensive, but the kernel drivers simpler. Lucent modems are the /only/ modems, IIRC, that have a Linux kernel driver. All others fail the "compatibility" test. Check out the MODEM-HOWTO and related documents at http://www.linuxdoc.org. IMHO, just get the external Sportster. You'll never be sorry you did. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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After that, anything with a web browser works. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From tanner at real-time.com Fri Apr 12 18:21:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] game pack? Message-ID: <20020412182150.G17802@real-time.com> I'm looking to start a thread on games for linux. Believe it or not, people do not think there are games for linux. And for some reason that is a determent to linux on the desktop. I'm not talking DiabloII, or Starcraft, I'm talking the productivity-reducing :-) games like solitare and mindsweeper. Last night on irc I got introduced to frozen-bubble, pretty addictive 2-D game writtin in perl. I was blown away by the quality of the game and shocked to find out it was written in perl. Any other "gems" out there like frozen-bubble? I'd like to make a virtual package for apt for installing what I'd like to call the tclug-gamepak. # apt-get install tclug-gamepak And have it install all of these games. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From scot at thinkunix.net Fri Apr 12 18:46:05 2002 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Modems in Linux In-Reply-To: <20020412184717.GB20418@wookimus.net>; from chewie@wookimus.net on Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 01:47:17PM -0500 References: <200204121820.g3CIKQM13002@webmail.bussefamily.com> <20020412184717.GB20418@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20020412184656.B15384@okane.localnet> Chad Walstrom wrote: > On Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 01:20:26PM -0500, Michael Busse wrote: > > Anyone have any recommendations on modems that will work with RH7.2 > > linux. > > If money is no object, get the External USRobotics External 56K > Sportster serial modem. Why? I've had bad luck with internal modems, > usually involving hardware lockups that are only recoverable through > rebooting the computer. If the external modem fails on you, you > power-cycle the modem, reinitialize your ppp session, and you're golden. I 2nd Chad's recommendation. go for the external, especially if you're setting up a server or dial-in box. you'll be glad you did later. From rechpj at bitstream.net Fri Apr 12 18:54:43 2002 From: rechpj at bitstream.net (Paul Rech) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] game pack? References: <20020412182150.G17802@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3CB773D5.3030404@bitstream.net> My 7 year old loves lbreakout2, xsoldier, "rocks and diamonds" and the already mentioned frozen-bubble. Bob Tanner wrote: > I'm looking to start a thread on games for linux. Believe it or not, people do > not think there are games for linux. And for some reason that is a determent to > linux on the desktop. > > I'm not talking DiabloII, or Starcraft, I'm talking the productivity-reducing > :-) games like solitare and mindsweeper. > > Last night on irc I got introduced to frozen-bubble, pretty addictive 2-D game > writtin in perl. I was blown away by the quality of the game and shocked to find > out it was written in perl. > > Any other "gems" out there like frozen-bubble? From dante at plethora.net Fri Apr 12 18:59:01 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] game pack? In-Reply-To: <20020412182150.G17802@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > I'm looking to start a thread on games for linux. Believe it or not, people do > not think there are games for linux. And for some reason that is a determent to > linux on the desktop. > > I'm not talking DiabloII, or Starcraft, I'm talking the productivity-reducing > :-) games like solitare and mindsweeper. > > Last night on irc I got introduced to frozen-bubble, pretty addictive 2-D game > writtin in perl. I was blown away by the quality of the game and shocked to find > out it was written in perl. > > Any other "gems" out there like frozen-bubble? > > I'd like to make a virtual package for apt for installing what I'd like to call > the tclug-gamepak. > > # apt-get install tclug-gamepak > > And have it install all of these games. > Debian already has several group packages of games like this. http://www.happypenguin.com/ has a lot of good links as well. -- Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Apr 12 19:01:02 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] game pack? In-Reply-To: <20020412182150.G17802@real-time.com> References: <20020412182150.G17802@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1018656114.7615.2.camel@3po.dhs.org> On Fri, 2002-04-12 at 18:21, Bob Tanner wrote: > Last night on irc I got introduced to frozen-bubble, pretty addictive 2-D game > writtin in perl. I was blown away by the quality of the game and shocked to find > out it was written in perl. Woo! Bubble Bobble for Linux! Take that, Playstation! I was hoping someone would make a Linux version of that game.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Curiosity killed the cat, / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ but for a while I was a \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) suspect. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020412/8cf58fd3/attachment.pgp From buzzygirl at isd.net Fri Apr 12 19:55:01 2002 From: buzzygirl at isd.net (Jackie LaVaque) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help-I am new to Linux, I'm having trouble installing YDL 2.2 Message-ID: <001301c1e285$ed9f91b0$f9bafbd8@Jackie> Hi there, I'm brand-new to Linux (but I learn fast). I'm trying to install Yellow Dog Linux 2.2 on a Mac Power PC 6500. I am having an awful time, despite having a pretty good installation guide. The installation "hangs" at certain points in the process and locks my computer up (or at least I think it does. Is going for 10 minutes without any obvious further installation progress "hanging up"?). When I reboot and go into the install process again, it starts copying files and then I get messages that "such and such a file" is already installed and is the latest version", so obviously it's installing something. What I want to know is, is it common for these install programs to go for long periods of time without activity? I am not doing a large install (the Home / Office option) but it certainly seems as if the CD-ROM stops running, the progress bars do nothing and I'm getting frustrated. Can someone help me? Thank you! Jackie -- "All of us are in the gutter, but some of us are looking up at the stars." - Oscar Wilde From nate at refried.org Fri Apr 12 20:22:00 2002 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] game pack? In-Reply-To: <20020412182150.G17802@real-time.com> References: <20020412182150.G17802@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020413012633.GA6825@refried.org> On Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 06:21:50PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Any other "gems" out there like frozen-bubble? > > I'd like to make a virtual package for apt for installing what I'd > like to call the tclug-gamepak. Every now and then I find another cool game that just sucks my time away until I realize that it is. Here are some of my favorites: Nethack - classic character based dungeon crawl, still haven't beaten it PySol - Python based solitare game with just about ever variation of solitare Mame - Arcade emulator, very addictive. icebreaker - Ice themed Qix clone Nate From tanner at real-time.com Fri Apr 12 20:38:00 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help-I am new to Linux, I'm having trouble installing YDL 2.2 In-Reply-To: <001301c1e285$ed9f91b0$f9bafbd8@Jackie>; from buzzygirl@isd.net on Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 07:55:30PM -0500 References: <001301c1e285$ed9f91b0$f9bafbd8@Jackie> Message-ID: <20020412203843.T25579@real-time.com> Quoting Jackie LaVaque (buzzygirl@isd.net): > I'm brand-new to Linux (but I learn fast). I'm trying to install Yellow Dog > Linux 2.2 on a Mac Power PC 6500. Yellow doh (ydl) is pretty picky about stuff. I've only installed 2.1 and it was jumping through hops. Can you give more info no your box. I'm not a PPC expert, but old world rom or new rom? Which boot loader you trying? Do you have MacOS already installed? -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From buzzygirl at isd.net Fri Apr 12 20:51:01 2002 From: buzzygirl at isd.net (Jackie LaVaque) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help-I am new to Linux, I'm having trouble installing YDL 2.2 References: <001301c1e285$ed9f91b0$f9bafbd8@Jackie> <20020412203843.T25579@real-time.com> Message-ID: <002f01c1e28d$cca3af70$f08eeed0@Jackie> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Tanner" To: Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Help-I am new to Linux, I'm having trouble installing YDL 2.2 > Quoting Jackie LaVaque (buzzygirl@isd.net): > > I'm brand-new to Linux (but I learn fast). I'm trying to install Yellow Dog > > Linux 2.2 on a Mac Power PC 6500. > > Yellow doh (ydl) is pretty picky about stuff. I've only installed 2.1 and it was > jumping through hops. > > Can you give more info no your box. Thanks Bob! It's a Power PC 6500, 225 MHx with 96 megs RAM, 4.5 G hard drive (not SCSI) and Mac OS 8.0 (I borrowed the system disk from a friend; this computer was donated to me with no disks). > > I'm not a PPC expert, but old world rom or new rom? > Which boot loader you trying? > > Do you have MacOS already installed? > > -- > Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From buzzygirl at isd.net Fri Apr 12 20:56:01 2002 From: buzzygirl at isd.net (Jackie LaVaque) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help-I am new to Linux, I'm having trouble installing YDL 2.2 References: <001301c1e285$ed9f91b0$f9bafbd8@Jackie> <20020412203843.T25579@real-time.com> Message-ID: <003b01c1e28e$61466000$f08eeed0@Jackie> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Tanner" To: Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 8:38 PM > Yellow doh (ydl) is pretty picky about stuff. I've only installed 2.1 and it was > jumping through hops. > > Can you give more info no your box. > > I'm not a PPC expert, but old world rom or new rom? > > Which boot loader you trying? > > Do you have MacOS already installed? Sorry, but my e-mail went bye-bye before I had a chance to finish typing. Sheesh, sorry. Anyway, I was given a Power PC 6500 (free) with no disks, I am using Mac OS 8.0. My machine is 233 MHz, 96 megs ram, 4.5 gig hard drive (ide). It's an Old World bootable and I'm using Boot X. Hope that is enough info... this is really frustrating. Thanks for your help. Jackie From nassarsa at redconcepts.net Fri Apr 12 21:24:01 2002 From: nassarsa at redconcepts.net (Samir M. Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] game pack? In-Reply-To: <20020412182150.G17802@real-time.com> References: <20020412182150.G17802@real-time.com> Message-ID: <2620.162.96.160.97.1018664664.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> Bob, if you are going to make a game pack then a must-include is LBreakout2. It already comes as rpms. (I don't have the links handy, but I am pretty sure I have the rpm itself, I can send you that + the links when I get home. LBreakout2 is Yet Another Breakout Clone, but it comes with 3 modes and some add-ons that make the game very addictive. And the graphics are smoother than /insert your favorite smooth thing/... -- Samir M. Nassar 'Open Source, Open Systems, Open Borders, Open Minds.' From sraun at fireopal.org Fri Apr 12 22:31:00 2002 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian & NVIDIA TNT2 Message-ID: <20020412223123.A30881@fireopal.org> I've got a new box I'm trying to get set up. It's got an NVIDIA TNT2 Model 64 w/ 32MB RAM. I found what look to be a set of source-code packages for apt for it. Unfortunately, when I try to install them, they say something about 'nvidia-kernel required'. I've _got_ nvidia-kernel-src_1.0.2802-1_i386.deb and nvidia-glx-src_1.0.2802-1_i386.deb. I've poked and prodded, and currently have the following in /usr/src: -rw-r--r-- 1 root src 1525481 Apr 5 06:49 NVIDIA_GLX-1.0-2802.tar.gz drwxr-xr-x 3 root src 4096 Mar 8 01:55 modules drwxr-xr-x 4 root src 4096 Apr 7 21:46 nvidia-glx-1.0.2802 -rw-r--r-- 1 root src 29086 Apr 7 21:47 nvidia-glx-dev_1.0.2802-1_i386.deb -rw-r--r-- 1 root src 298 Apr 7 21:45 nvidia-glx_1.0.2802-1.dsc -rw-r--r-- 1 root src 4860 Apr 7 21:45 nvidia-glx_1.0.2802-1.tar.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 root src 866 Apr 7 21:47 nvidia-glx_1.0.2802-1_i386.changes -rw-r--r-- 1 root src 1474214 Apr 7 21:47 nvidia-glx_1.0.2802-1_i386.deb -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 30720 Mar 8 01:55 nvidia-kernel-src.tar It _looks_ like modules contains contains the nvidia-kernel stuff - but I can't get it to install, and can't find a hint as to how I _get_ it to install! nvidia-glx had something that I found that I could get to start installing it, and then it died. Anyone installed these? Any hints? -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From jack at jacku.com Fri Apr 12 22:34:01 2002 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] game pack? In-Reply-To: <20020413012633.GA6825@refried.org> References: <20020412182150.G17802@real-time.com> <20020413012633.GA6825@refried.org> Message-ID: <02041222335400.00730@geezer> On Friday 12 April 2002 20:26, nate@refried.org wrote: > On Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 06:21:50PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > Any other "gems" out there like frozen-bubble? > > > > I'd like to make a virtual package for apt for installing what I'd > > like to call the tclug-gamepak. > > Every now and then I find another cool game that just sucks my time away > until I realize that it is. Here are some of my favorites: > > Nethack - classic character based dungeon crawl, still haven't beaten it > PySol - Python based solitare game with just about ever variation of > solitare > Mame - Arcade emulator, very addictive. > icebreaker - Ice themed Qix clone > > Nate I'll second the recommendation of PySol. The random game feature is one of the best. I've tried some games I never would have thought to try because they came up on the random selection. For MahJong puzzle lovers there is a KDE game KShisen that gives you the tiles in grid and you have to match them up. Its got some intresting rule variants. (like gravity that makes it like a cross between MahJong and Tetris.) -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From andy at theasis.com Fri Apr 12 22:48:01 2002 From: andy at theasis.com (andy@theasis.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian & NVIDIA TNT2 In-Reply-To: <20020412223123.A30881@fireopal.org> Message-ID: > It's got an NVIDIA TNT2 Model 64 w/ 32MB RAM. I found what look to be > a set of source-code packages for apt for it. Unfortunately, when I > I've poked and prodded, and currently have the following in /usr/src: > > drwxr-xr-x 4 root src 4096 Apr 7 21:46 nvidia-glx-1.0.2802 > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 30720 Mar 8 01:55 nvidia-kernel-src.tar > Anyone installed these? Any hints? Dunno about the .deb approach. But maybe try to treat it as if you'd gotten the source, which basically involves going into the glx src dir and the nvidia-kernel src dir (which it should make if you unpack that tarball), and simply running "make install". Do kernel first, then glx. Of course you'd do this on the command line as root. Then make sure XF86Config has the right entries and see if X starts. Go to http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86_40/1.0-2880/README.txt and note the end of (sec-02) and all of (sec-03). Let us know how you make out. Andy From list at slushpupie.com Fri Apr 12 22:51:02 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian & NVIDIA TNT2 In-Reply-To: <20020412223123.A30881@fireopal.org> References: <20020412223123.A30881@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <20020413035311.9F0BA60303@friday.localdomain.fake> Try using the drivers right from Nvidia- they are very simple to use. Basicly, there are 2 parts- the X drivers and the kernel modules. You need to make sure you have the kernel module running before X can start- to check, try "lsmod" and see if NVDriver is listed. If its not, try "insmod NVDriver" and if the package has been installed correctly, it will load (perhaps with a warning about a license taint- but no errors anyway). You need to install the kernel driver for each kernel you install. Jay On Friday 12 April 2002 10:31 pm, you wrote: > I've got a new box I'm trying to get set up. > > It's got an NVIDIA TNT2 Model 64 w/ 32MB RAM. I found what look to be > a set of source-code packages for apt for it. Unfortunately, when I > try to install them, they say something about 'nvidia-kernel > required'. I've _got_ nvidia-kernel-src_1.0.2802-1_i386.deb and > nvidia-glx-src_1.0.2802-1_i386.deb. > > I've poked and prodded, and currently have the following in /usr/src: > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root src 1525481 Apr 5 06:49 > NVIDIA_GLX-1.0-2802.tar.gz drwxr-xr-x 3 root src 4096 Mar > 8 01:55 modules > drwxr-xr-x 4 root src 4096 Apr 7 21:46 nvidia-glx-1.0.2802 > -rw-r--r-- 1 root src 29086 Apr 7 21:47 > nvidia-glx-dev_1.0.2802-1_i386.deb -rw-r--r-- 1 root src > 298 Apr 7 21:45 nvidia-glx_1.0.2802-1.dsc -rw-r--r-- 1 root src > 4860 Apr 7 21:45 nvidia-glx_1.0.2802-1.tar.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 root > src 866 Apr 7 21:47 nvidia-glx_1.0.2802-1_i386.changes > -rw-r--r-- 1 root src 1474214 Apr 7 21:47 > nvidia-glx_1.0.2802-1_i386.deb -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 30720 > Mar 8 01:55 nvidia-kernel-src.tar > > It _looks_ like modules contains contains the nvidia-kernel stuff - > but I can't get it to install, and can't find a hint as to how I _get_ > it to install! nvidia-glx had something that I found that I could get > to start installing it, and then it died. > > Anyone installed these? Any hints? From foeclan at visi.com Fri Apr 12 22:58:00 2002 From: foeclan at visi.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] game pack? References: <20020412182150.G17802@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3CB7AC15.5000505@visi.com> KoboDeluxe. http://olofson.net/skobo/ Very addictive, low resource requirements, runs on Linux, Windows, BeOS, and Solaris. Michael Vieths Foeclan@Visi.com Bob Tanner wrote: >I'm looking to start a thread on games for linux. Believe it or not, people do >not think there are games for linux. And for some reason that is a determent to >linux on the desktop. > >I'm not talking DiabloII, or Starcraft, I'm talking the productivity-reducing >:-) games like solitare and mindsweeper. > >Last night on irc I got introduced to frozen-bubble, pretty addictive 2-D game >writtin in perl. I was blown away by the quality of the game and shocked to find >out it was written in perl. > >Any other "gems" out there like frozen-bubble? > >I'd like to make a virtual package for apt for installing what I'd like to call >the tclug-gamepak. > ># apt-get install tclug-gamepak > >And have it install all of these games. > > From mikeflaherty at mn.rr.com Fri Apr 12 23:40:02 2002 From: mikeflaherty at mn.rr.com (Michael J Flaherty) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help-I am new to Linux, I'm having trouble installing YDL 2.2 In-Reply-To: <001301c1e285$ed9f91b0$f9bafbd8@Jackie> References: <001301c1e285$ed9f91b0$f9bafbd8@Jackie> Message-ID: <090634937040d42FE7@mail7.mn.rr.com> On Friday 12 April 2002 07:55, you wrote: > Hi there, > I'm brand-new to Linux (but I learn fast). I'm trying to install Yellow Dog > Linux 2.2 on a Mac Power PC 6500. I am having an awful time, despite having > a pretty good installation guide. >The installation "hangs" at certain > points in the process and locks my computer up (or at least I think it > does. Is going for 10 minutes without any obvious further installation > progress "hanging up"?). Just installed YDL 2.2 on a 7300 today. The on-screen progress bars don't always keep pace with the actual install progress. They appear frozen at a certain point, and then suddenly... they finish in an instant, specifically the "checking for dependencies" progress bar and the "transferring packages" progress bar. > When I reboot and go into the install process > again, it starts copying files and then I get messages that "such and such > When you re-install YDL you should delete, re-add, and re-format your "/" partition. No need to alter your swap partition. When using BootX on an old-world ROM machine, the boot partition is not actually necessary. I don't even have one. > a file" is already installed and is the latest version", so obviously it's > installing something. > Deleting your root partition will solve that. Re-run the install and walk away for at least an hour once it starts installing. I wouldn't assume that it's frozen unless it does absolutely nothing for at least 30 minutes. If the install fails, you should get some sort of message. At what point does it appear frozen ? MJF From buzzygirl at isd.net Sat Apr 13 00:07:01 2002 From: buzzygirl at isd.net (Jackie LaVaque) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help-I am new to Linux, I'm having trouble installing YDL 2.2 References: <001301c1e285$ed9f91b0$f9bafbd8@Jackie> <090634937040d42FE7@mail7.mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <001301c1e2a9$17c8cab0$c78eeed0@Jackie> Got it working! Now my mouse doesn't work though! Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael J Flaherty" To: Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 11:40 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Help-I am new to Linux, I'm having trouble installing YDL 2.2 > On Friday 12 April 2002 07:55, you wrote: > > Hi there, > > I'm brand-new to Linux (but I learn fast). I'm trying to install Yellow Dog > > Linux 2.2 on a Mac Power PC 6500. I am having an awful time, despite having > > a pretty good installation guide. > >The installation "hangs" at certain > > points in the process and locks my computer up (or at least I think it > > does. Is going for 10 minutes without any obvious further installation > > progress "hanging up"?). > > Just installed YDL 2.2 on a 7300 today. The on-screen progress bars don't > always keep pace with the actual install progress. They appear frozen at a > certain point, and then suddenly... they finish in an instant, specifically > the "checking for dependencies" progress bar and the "transferring packages" > progress bar. > > > When I reboot and go into the install process > > again, it starts copying files and then I get messages that "such and such > > > > When you re-install YDL you should delete, re-add, and re-format your "/" > partition. No need to alter your swap partition. When using BootX on an > old-world ROM machine, the boot partition is not actually necessary. I don't > even have one. > > > a file" is already installed and is the latest version", so obviously it's > > installing something. > > > > Deleting your root partition will solve that. Re-run the install and walk > away for at least an hour once it starts installing. I wouldn't assume that > it's frozen unless it does absolutely nothing for at least 30 minutes. If > the install fails, you should get some sort of message. > > At what point does it appear frozen ? > > MJF > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Sat Apr 13 02:07:01 2002 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] game pack? In-Reply-To: <3CB7AC15.5000505@visi.com> Message-ID: gtetrinet! http://gtetrinet.sourceforge.net/ Oh yeah, there are windows tetrinet clients too... Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world." From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Sat Apr 13 02:12:01 2002 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian & NVIDIA TNT2 In-Reply-To: <20020412223123.A30881@fireopal.org> Message-ID: Ok, from memory, this is how it goes. I'm pretty sure it's dependent on using make-kpkg for your kernel though. # apt-get install nvidia-glx-src nvidia-kernel-src # cd /usr/src # wget \ http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86_40/1.0-2880/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0-2880.tar.gz \ http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86_40/1.0-2880/NVIDIA_kernel-1.0-2880.tar.gz # tar xvfz nvidia-kernel-src.tar.gz # cd /usr/src/kernel-source-`uname -r` # make-kpkg modules_image # cd /usr/src # cd nvidia-glx-version/ # debain rules/binary # cd /usr/src # dpkg -i nvidia-*.deb Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world." From gsker at tcfreenet.org Sat Apr 13 09:10:03 2002 From: gsker at tcfreenet.org (Gerry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] attbi.com query In-Reply-To: <20020412160636.3BA0423331@msp-65-25-234-54.mn.rr.com> Message-ID: I've got attbi.com and all I see is broadcast traffic. Certainly no POP. Do you really see all the other traffic? On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, Joel Rosenberg wrote: > > As usual, the problem with the cable modem broadband stuff is security -- > from my machine, it's perfectly possible to see all the traffic on the local > network segment, which, alas, includes things like POP passwords. > -- Gerry Skerbitz gsker@tcfreenet.org From joelr at ellegon.com Sat Apr 13 09:37:00 2002 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] attbi.com query In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020413143702.0E6D423331@msp-65-25-234-54.mn.rr.com> On Saturday 13 April 2002 09:10 am, you wrote: > I've got attbi.com and all I see is broadcast traffic. Certainly no POP. > Do you really see all the other traffic? > Yup. > On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, Joel Rosenberg wrote: > > As usual, the problem with the cable modem broadband stuff is security -- > > from my machine, it's perfectly possible to see all the traffic on the > > local network segment, which, alas, includes things like POP passwords. From sraun at fireopal.org Sat Apr 13 10:31:01 2002 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Machine Question Message-ID: <20020413103111.A4071@fireopal.org> What's the easiest way to copy a userbase from Linux Box A to Linux Box B? I just _know_ there's got to be some reason why copying /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow from the old box to new box won't work. Is it really that simple? -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From jim.louis at real-time.com Sat Apr 13 10:39:01 2002 From: jim.louis at real-time.com (Jim Louis) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Machine Question In-Reply-To: <20020413103111.A4071@fireopal.org> Message-ID: I believe creating some home directories would help also. What's the easiest way to copy a userbase from Linux Box A to Linux Box B? I just _know_ there's got to be some reason why copying /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow from the old box to new box won't work. Is it really that simple? -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dante at plethora.net Sat Apr 13 10:58:00 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Machine Question In-Reply-To: <20020413103111.A4071@fireopal.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 13 Apr 2002, Scott Raun wrote: > What's the easiest way to copy a userbase from Linux Box A to Linux > Box B? > > I just _know_ there's got to be some reason why copying /etc/passwd > and /etc/shadow from the old box to new box won't work. Is it really > that simple? > > Try it. Reset the root password afterwards just to be certain. also move the home directories over or nfs mount them. -- Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net From list at slushpupie.com Sat Apr 13 11:52:00 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Machine Question In-Reply-To: <20020413103111.A4071@fireopal.org> References: <20020413103111.A4071@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <20020413165318.856986031E@friday.localdomain.fake> On Saturday 13 April 2002 10:31 am, you wrote: > What's the easiest way to copy a userbase from Linux Box A to Linux > Box B? > > I just _know_ there's got to be some reason why copying /etc/passwd > and /etc/shadow from the old box to new box won't work. Is it really > that simple? Sure, it will work. But keep in mind everything that is happening, to be sure its what you want to do. First, thoses databases tend to be cashed, so even just editing them by hand dosnt always update right away (the reason many distros have a vipw and vigr commands). We even had a system get an "oops" (someone with root do a bad rm -rf *) where the passwd and shadow file were blasted- and people could still log on. Second- make sure all the system accounts match up. In the unix world, all that *really* matters is your ID, so make sure userid 41 is the same on both, for example. The other thing to consider, is when you transfer it, be sure to do it in a secure way (scp, floppy disk, isolated network, etc). From blutgens at sistina.com Sat Apr 13 12:51:02 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Machine Question In-Reply-To: References: <20020413103111.A4071@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <20020413175104.GA5936@sistina.com> On Sat, Apr 13, 2002 at 10:58:48AM -0500, Daniel Taylor wrote: >On Sat, 13 Apr 2002, Scott Raun wrote: >Try it. Reset the root password afterwards just to be certain. I generally just copy the user accounts that aren't system accounts. Works fine for me. > >also move the home directories over or nfs mount them. I'd recommend rsync -av (preserves perms) -- Ben Lutgens http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ Sistina Software Inc. (mail -s "get -info" blutgens-info@sistina.com) for my gpg key, IM info etc. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I had to manually enable it on my 7300 which has a 4MB on-motherboard video card and a 32MB Rage 128 Nexus pci card. Same thing with a similarly configured 8600. No mouse problems though. You may want to join the YDL list. Someone is certain to have wrestled with that problem, lotsa PPC specific knowledge there: MJF From brandon at rhinoventures.com Sat Apr 13 13:09:01 2002 From: brandon at rhinoventures.com (Brandon Freels) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] game pack? In-Reply-To: <20020412182150.G17802@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3CB82E7A.1529.2B0BD6@localhost> On 12 Apr 2002 at 18:21, Bob Tanner wrote: > > Last night on irc I got introduced to frozen-bubble, pretty addictive 2-D game > writtin in perl. I was blown away by the quality of the game and shocked to > find out it was written in perl. Glad to know that I wasn't the only one last night wasting time with Frozen Bubble. :-) It took about 5 hours for noodle-nut me to get all the package dependencies working together, but it was worth it. I also like GLTron when it works. Something happened in 0.61 which causes it not to work on my box anymore. It just keeps crashing/GAME IS PAUSED without any frame movement. I am playing around with SDL, and would be interested in seeing more talk about this. Domo. Ja na. Brandon Freels (brandon@rhinoventures.com, ICQ#: 2695168, Online-Gaming: Spittledung) "I'm witty naturally. I don't need quotes!" GOLEM Web Slab: http://www.rhinoventures.com/golem/ From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Apr 13 16:17:00 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] attbi.com query In-Reply-To: <20020413143702.0E6D423331@msp-65-25-234-54.mn.rr.com>; from joelr@ellegon.com on Sat, Apr 13, 2002 at 09:37:01AM -0500 References: <20020413143702.0E6D423331@msp-65-25-234-54.mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <20020413151804.G26261@techmonkeys.org> On Sat, Apr 13, 2002 at 09:37:01AM -0500, Joel Rosenberg wrote: > On Saturday 13 April 2002 09:10 am, you wrote: > > I've got attbi.com and all I see is broadcast traffic. Certainly no POP. > > Do you really see all the other traffic? > > > > Yup. > I beg to differ, You do not see other peoples POP traffic, you might see your own, but that's about it, otherwise you'll see a few things: 1) broadcast ARP 2) broadcast DHCP requests (sometimes filtered ) 3) traffic meant for your network AT&T goes so far as to block 137-139 so that all the windows boxes of the world aren't able to broadcast their crap onto your lan. AT&T also implements BPI (encryption) between the cable modem and the head-end systems. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 From joelr at ellegon.com Sat Apr 13 16:26:02 2002 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] attbi.com query In-Reply-To: <20020413151804.G26261@techmonkeys.org> References: <20020413143702.0E6D423331@msp-65-25-234-54.mn.rr.com> <20020413151804.G26261@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20020413212601.74AA223331@msp-65-25-234-54.mn.rr.com> On Saturday 13 April 2002 04:18 pm, you wrote: > On Sat, Apr 13, 2002 at 09:37:01AM -0500, Joel Rosenberg wrote: > > On Saturday 13 April 2002 09:10 am, you wrote: > > > I've got attbi.com and all I see is broadcast traffic. Certainly no > > > POP. Do you really see all the other traffic? > > > > Yup. > > I beg to differ, You do not see other peoples POP traffic, That turns out not to be the case. Remember, as I've been clear about, I'm on roadrunner, not attbi. From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Apr 13 16:47:01 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] attbi.com query In-Reply-To: <20020413212601.74AA223331@msp-65-25-234-54.mn.rr.com>; from joelr@ellegon.com on Sat, Apr 13, 2002 at 04:26:01PM -0500 References: <20020413143702.0E6D423331@msp-65-25-234-54.mn.rr.com> <20020413151804.G26261@techmonkeys.org> <20020413212601.74AA223331@msp-65-25-234-54.mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <20020413154805.H26261@techmonkeys.org> On Sat, Apr 13, 2002 at 04:26:01PM -0500, Joel Rosenberg wrote: > > I beg to differ, You do not see other peoples POP traffic, > > That turns out not to be the case. Remember, as I've been clear about, I'm > on roadrunner, not attbi. I said 'AT&T goes so far as...', I did not imply that you were on AT&T. If you're so sure that you're seeing everyones traffic I'd like to see tcpdump logs, I believe you're sorely mistaken. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 From drew at usfamily.net Sat Apr 13 17:12:00 2002 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Modems in Linux References: Message-ID: <004001c1e338$4fa176a0$3f85d240@organozakgn1ek> The Actiontech PCI modem works very well in linux, it even says that it works under linux righ on the box. I have one and it has never failed me, was easy to setup too, as the directions that came with it were quite clear. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)" To: Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Modems in Linux > | Anyone have any recommendations on modems that will work with RH7.2 > | linux. > > That's pretty easy... > > Anything that isn't a POS WinModem, SoftModem, or one of the many other > various terms for them. Avoid those, and you should be fine. > > I'm not sure how a USB modem will work, support is there though. Never > used one myself. (for adapters that support the Communication Device Class > Abstract Control Model interface.) > > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org > "The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making > a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims > to be trying to take over the world." > > On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, Michael Busse wrote: > > | > | TIA, > | > | Mike > | _______________________________________________ > | Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > | http://www.mn-linux.org > | tclug-list@mn-linux.org > | https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > | > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ From joel at joelschneider.net Sat Apr 13 17:20:01 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] game pack? In-Reply-To: <20020412182150.G17802@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 06:21:50PM -0500 References: <20020412182150.G17802@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020413172039.A5449@joelschneider.net> On Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 06:21:50PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Any other "gems" out there like frozen-bubble? This may not be quite what you had in mind, but the "Return to Castle Wolfenstein" FPS is relatively new. It's based on the Quake III engine and requires OpenGL. I downloaded the single and multi-player Windows & Linux demos, maps, skins, etc., and ended up with over 800 MB of stuff. Haven't played it much yet, but it could be interesting if you like the idea of fighting Nazis (or being one). http://www.rtcwfiles.com/ -- Joel Schneider Yan Xin Qigong in Minneapolis joel@joelschneider.net http://yanxinqigong.minneapolis.mn.us/ From joelr at ellegon.com Sat Apr 13 17:23:01 2002 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] attbi.com query In-Reply-To: <20020413154805.H26261@techmonkeys.org> References: <20020413212601.74AA223331@msp-65-25-234-54.mn.rr.com> <20020413154805.H26261@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20020413222356.60DA723331@msp-65-25-234-54.mn.rr.com> On Saturday 13 April 2002 04:48 pm, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > On Sat, Apr 13, 2002 at 04:26:01PM -0500, Joel Rosenberg wrote: > > > I beg to differ, You do not see other peoples POP traffic, > > > > That turns out not to be the case. Remember, as I've been clear about, > > I'm on roadrunner, not attbi. > > I said 'AT&T goes so far as...', I did not imply that you were on AT&T. > > If you're so sure that you're seeing everyones traffic I'd like to see > tcpdump logs, I believe you're sorely mistaken. FYI, I've sent along a short tcpdump log to Matthew. From joel at joelschneider.net Sat Apr 13 17:37:00 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] game pack? In-Reply-To: <20020413172039.A5449@joelschneider.net>; from joel@joelschneider.net on Sat, Apr 13, 2002 at 05:20:39PM -0500 References: <20020412182150.G17802@real-time.com> <20020413172039.A5449@joelschneider.net> Message-ID: <20020413173743.B5449@joelschneider.net> BTW, "Return to Castle Wolfenstein" is not open-source software, but the license for the demos permits copying, so I could provide copies of the CDs I assembled. -- Joel Schneider Yan Xin Qigong in Minneapolis joel@joelschneider.net http://yanxinqigong.minneapolis.mn.us/ From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Apr 13 18:05:01 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] attbi.com query In-Reply-To: <20020413222356.60DA723331@msp-65-25-234-54.mn.rr.com>; from joelr@ellegon.com on Sat, Apr 13, 2002 at 05:23:56PM -0500 References: <20020413212601.74AA223331@msp-65-25-234-54.mn.rr.com> <20020413154805.H26261@techmonkeys.org> <20020413222356.60DA723331@msp-65-25-234-54.mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <20020413170459.I26261@techmonkeys.org> > FYI, I've sent along a short tcpdump log to Matthew. --- [poptix@techmonkeys poptix]$ grep -v -E "arp|65-25-234-54|ellegon" tcpdump.txt 17:14:21.915343 10.38.208.1.bootps > 255.255.255.255.bootpc: xid:0xb8de17bf flags:0x8000 G:10.38.208.1 ether 0:3:93:53:e8:44 [|bootp] --- I removed arp traffic, and traffic to your address, the DHCP query left over is normal (broadcast traffic). ellegon.com appears to be registered to you, so I removed it from the grep, I'd be happy to look at another log (with the -n (do not resolve) option turned on). -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 From dieman at ringworld.org Sat Apr 13 19:55:02 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: attbi.com query In-Reply-To: <20020413151804.G26261@techmonkeys.org> References: <20020413143702.0E6D423331@msp-65-25-234-54.mn.rr.com> <20020413151804.G26261@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20020413233523.GB12285@ringworld.org> * Matthew S. Hallacy [020413 16:21]: > I beg to differ, You do not see other peoples POP traffic, you might > see your own, but that's about it, otherwise you'll see a few things: > > 1) broadcast ARP > 2) broadcast DHCP requests (sometimes filtered ) > 3) traffic meant for your network I've been seeing some OSPF from the upstream router lately, too. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From clarson at iaxs.net Sat Apr 13 21:58:01 2002 From: clarson at iaxs.net (Chester Larson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Modem Message-ID: <000b01c1e360$8e2d8d00$c68486d1@zenith> Hi Am having trouble setting up modem to work with RH 7.0 It works with Windows 95. This is also a dual boot machine. TIA Chet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Nassar From dd-b at dd-b.net Sun Apr 14 12:56:01 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New Machine Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Jim Louis" writes: > I believe creating some home directories would help also. > > > What's the easiest way to copy a userbase from Linux Box A to Linux > Box B? > > I just _know_ there's got to be some reason why copying /etc/passwd > and /etc/shadow from the old box to new box won't work. Is it really > that simple? If the new box is a clean install from the same distro, so that everything in its initial /etc/passwd and /etc/group is in the one from the old box (including using the same UID/GID), this should work. Note that RedHat doesn't pre-define all the system UID/GIDs; they get defined when the RPM of the service that uses them is installed. So if you have installed additional services, for example, then copying over the old /etc/passwd and group will cause those new services to fail through not having their UIDs or GIDs. Oh, and if you're using shadow passwords, which RedHat seems to by default, you have to copy /etc/shadow, too. When I rebuilt the install on gw, I examined the group, passwd, and shadow files carefully and copied over the user entries, while leaving the system entries from the new install. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / Ghugle: the Fannish Ghod of Queries John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ From houle at citilink.com Sun Apr 14 16:13:00 2002 From: houle at citilink.com (Terry Houle) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lost GUI Message-ID: <200204142041.PAA20420@osiris2.2ndAve.mpls.orbis.net> I lost my GUI on my laptop running RH 7.2.. It comes up to a login prompt in text and appears I can do some things. I searched for some commands but could find nothing that worked. I tried startx but anyone got any other ideas? Terry Houle From dmdelavega at mediaone.net Sun Apr 14 20:02:02 2002 From: dmdelavega at mediaone.net (dmdelavega) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A very nice game Message-ID: <200204141850.g3EIoLh10369@sprite.real-time.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020414/4922416d/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/octet-stream Size: 80269 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020414/4922416d/attachment.obj -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/octet-stream Size: 917 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020414/4922416d/attachment-0001.obj From admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us Sun Apr 14 20:28:01 2002 From: admin at support.lctn.k12.mn.us (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A very nice game In-Reply-To: <200204141850.g3EIoLh10369@sprite.real-time.com> References: <200204141850.g3EIoLh10369@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <2338.63.164.68.163.1018833959.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> > Warning: This message has had one or more attachments removed. Please > read the "VirusWarning.txt" attachment(s) for more information. > > > This is a very nice game > This game is my first work. > You're the first player. > I hope you would like it. >The following e-mail messages were found to have viruses in them: > Sender: >>Recipient: > Subject: [TCLUG] A very nice game >MessageID: g3F10gP19609 > Report: >>> Virus 'W32/Klez-G' found in file ./g3F10gP19609/install.exe >-- >MailScanner >Email Virus Scanner Anybody else get this. Supposedly from the list admin?? -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 From houle at citilink.com Sun Apr 14 20:31:02 2002 From: houle at citilink.com (Terry Houle) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Keychain Memory Message-ID: <200204150059.TAA05735@osiris2.2ndAve.mpls.orbis.net> Trying to figure out how to get the system to recognize a USB harddrive. I want to use the GUI and running SuSe. Any comments appreciated. Terry Houle From houle at citilink.com Sun Apr 14 20:41:01 2002 From: houle at citilink.com (Terry Houle) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Virus Message-ID: <200204150109.UAA06319@osiris2.2ndAve.mpls.orbis.net> I know Linux does not get virus' but looks like my system was catching a W32/KLEZE@MM from the list. I believe it was from "A Very Nice Game" was the subject and DMDELAVEGA which was sent on 4/14 at 1:50. Anyway just a heads up if appropriate. Terry Houle From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sun Apr 14 20:52:01 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A very nice game In-Reply-To: <200204141850.g3EIoLh10369@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: i thought only subscribers could send emails to the list, is this id10t subscribed if so, can we boot him please ever since installing exim (w/RBLs support) over a month ago i received 0 spam, i would like to keep it that way -munir On Sun, 14 Apr 2002, dmdelavega wrote: From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Sun Apr 14 21:19:00 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian D. Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Keychain Memory In-Reply-To: <200204150059.TAA05735@osiris2.2ndAve.mpls.orbis.net> References: <200204150059.TAA05735@osiris2.2ndAve.mpls.orbis.net> Message-ID: <20020415021925.GB24946@8ball.wox.org> On Sun, Apr 14, 2002 at 08:30:48PM -0500, Terry Houle wrote: > Trying to figure out how to get the system to recognize a USB > harddrive. I want to use the GUI and running SuSe. Any comments > appreciated. I've got one set up under debian and it was pretty simple. All I did was install hotplug (I think there's a usbmgr that works, too), set up a mount point and entry in /etc/fstab for it. I don't think it came formatted, but it might have been that I just didn't have the drivers for fat12. I just formatted it ext2 anyway since I didn't expect to use it on anything other than linux machines. 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020414/c19c21ab/attachment.pgp From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com Sun Apr 14 21:33:01 2002 From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Virus In-Reply-To: <200204150109.UAA06319@osiris2.2ndAve.mpls.orbis.net> References: <200204150109.UAA06319@osiris2.2ndAve.mpls.orbis.net> Message-ID: <02041421272300.28922@nancy> In case anybody is interested, it won't work under Wine (at least a build of the CVS of last Friday.) I think it tries to launch IE. I only have a Windows 3.1 version of IE installed and it needs better to install correctly :-) I knew I should have left Windows installed on one of my machines for something! Kelly Black KB0GBJ From jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org Sun Apr 14 22:24:01 2002 From: jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org (Joseph Key) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A very nice game References: <1018837811.6689.31.camel@3po.dhs.org> Message-ID: <002301c1e42d$1aa58180$0139a8c0@tomobiki.dyndns.org> Virge caught the virus on my systems. It runs a virus checker on all mail and I received a notification that the mail had a virus and was isolated. Virge also stops attachments with *.exe *.vlb and others. Joseph Key From thompson at math-cs.cns.uni.edu Sun Apr 14 23:00:02 2002 From: thompson at math-cs.cns.uni.edu (Aaron Thompson (CNS Staff)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Raid Devices In-Reply-To: <3CB735C9.67A5A134@attbi.com>; from xpoverby@attbi.com on Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 02:30:17PM -0500 References: <3CB717DC.A8F7E059@attbi.com> <3CB7267E.5030902@fandre.com> <3CB735C9.67A5A134@attbi.com> Message-ID: <20020414225318.C18798@math-cs.cns.uni.edu> This was a good example of an IDE raid: http://www.lansmash.com/Articles/lola/ I think I saw this on /. a while back... @ On Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 02:30:17PM -0500, Paul Overby wrote: > Is it possible to implement an ide raid solution providing 500 gig > storage capacity? > I am assuming ide would provide the lowest cost which is the principle > consideration. > however there is a desire for hot swappable drives which I thought would > require scsi. > > > NAS and SAN are probably not in the price range. > > Performace is not really a principle issue and a software raid > implementation is probably > adequate. > > > Clay Fandre wrote: > > > > Direct attached, NAS, SAN, SCSI, IDE? More specifics please. > > > > Paul Overby wrote: > > > What's a good raid device in the 500 gig range. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > Paul Overby > xpoverby@attbi.com > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Aaron Thompson Unix Systems Administrator College of Natural Science University of Northern Iowa From joel at joelschneider.net Mon Apr 15 00:16:01 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Lost GUI In-Reply-To: <200204142041.PAA20420@osiris2.2ndAve.mpls.orbis.net>; from houle@citilink.com on Sun, Apr 14, 2002 at 04:12:34PM -0500 References: <200204142041.PAA20420@osiris2.2ndAve.mpls.orbis.net> Message-ID: <20020415001621.A9333@joelschneider.net> On Sun, Apr 14, 2002 at 04:12:34PM -0500, Terry Houle wrote: > I lost my GUI on my laptop running RH 7.2.. It comes up to a login prompt in text and appears I can do > some things. I searched for some commands but could find nothing that worked. I tried startx but anyone > got any other ideas? Things that spring to mind ... What is your runlevel? If X is configured correctly, startx should work -- is there an error message when you run startx? Just my $0.02. Joel From nicksteeler12 at cs.com Mon Apr 15 07:50:01 2002 From: nicksteeler12 at cs.com (nicksteeler12@cs.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Virus Message-ID: <032F7A9D.0F5A1FFA.BBB7EE28@cs.com> you do know that W32 viri can only infect windows 32 systems, right? (win9x,NT,xp). oh and there was one virus that linux could get. but the problem with that/reason it didnt spread was: the root user had to run it. Terry Houle wrote: >I know Linux does not get virus' but looks like my system was catching a W32/KLEZE@MM from the list. ?I believe it was from "A Very Nice Game" was the subject and DMDELAVEGA which was sent on 4/14 at 1:50. > >Anyway just a heads up if appropriate. > >Terry Houle > > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blarson at crary.com Mon Apr 15 09:25:01 2002 From: blarson at crary.com (Bradley D. Larson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] virus in digest #2094 Message-ID: <3CBAE2DB.555956BC@crary.com> My Rav Antivirus software caught this coming into my network.... the digest seemed OK but there must have been an attachment that was infected and removed.... ----------------------------------------------------------- RAV AntiVirus for Linux i686 version: 8.3.1 (snapshot-20011106) The file attached to mail: From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org To: blarson@crary.com, Subject: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #2094 - 16 msgs Attached: (part0017:)->(part0001:install.exe) is infected with virus: Win32/Klez.E@mm. Cannot clean this file. The file was successfully deleted by. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: blarson.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 386 bytes Desc: Card for Bradley D. 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Search for a line containing a particular string. > Then append to that line. #!/usr/bin/perl # # AppLine.pl - Append stuff to line. # $LOOKFOR="Line Has This In It"; $APPEND="Append this"; while($line=) { if ($line =~ /$LOOKFOR/) { chomp ($LINE); # remove linefeed $line="$line$APPEND\n"; } print $LINE; } ---- Say you want to look in myfile.dat, you go % cat myfile.dat | ./AppLine.pl > newfile.dat Not tested, and you can do this better and use commanline arguments, but it's probably close. -Yaron -- From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Mon Apr 15 11:54:01 2002 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] perl help Message-ID: Off the cuff: perl -p -i.bak -e 's/^(.*text-you-are-searching-for.*)$/${1}text-to-append/;' >>> amy@real-time.com 04/15/02 11:39AM >>> What's the simplest way to do the following in perl: Take as input a file. Search for a line containing a particular string. Then append to that line. From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Mon Apr 15 12:08:01 2002 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] perl help Message-ID: A little too "off the cuff": perl -p -i.bak -e 's/^(.*text-you-are-searching-for.*)$/${1}text-to-append/;' name-of-file-to-modify.txt Also untested... >>> troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us 04/15/02 11:54AM >>> Off the cuff: perl -p -i.bak -e 's/^(.*text-you-are-searching-for.*)$/${1}text-to-append/;' >>> amy@real-time.com 04/15/02 11:39AM >>> What's the simplest way to do the following in perl: Take as input a file. Search for a line containing a particular string. Then append to that line. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amy at real-time.com Mon Apr 15 12:53:01 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] perl help In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 11:53:55AM -0500 References: <20020415113910.A5789@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020415125328.C5789@real-time.com> On Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 11:53:55AM -0500, Yaron (jethro@freakzilla.com) wrote: > Hey, > > On Mon, 15 Apr 2002, Amy Tanner wrote: > > > What's the simplest way to do the following in perl: > > > > Take as input a file. Search for a line containing a particular string. > > Then append to that line. > > > #!/usr/bin/perl > # > # AppLine.pl - Append stuff to line. > # > $LOOKFOR="Line Has This In It"; > $APPEND="Append this"; > > while($line=) { > if ($line =~ /$LOOKFOR/) { > chomp ($LINE); # remove linefeed > $line="$line$APPEND\n"; > } > > print $LINE; > } Thank you - this is what I needed. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I tried startx but anyone > got any other ideas? > > > Terry Houle > From amy at real-time.com Mon Apr 15 14:50:01 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KVM-attached box hanging Message-ID: <20020415145019.E5789@real-time.com> I have a Belkin OmniView SE 4-port KVM. Attached to it is a Dell and 2 Gateways. I have no problem with the Dell, however on both Gateways, the keyboard and mouse will hang after not being the active box (on the KVM) for more than 20 minutes or so. With both machines I can still ping them and login to them remotely. However only a reboot will fix the keyboard/mouse problem. I get slightly different results with each: Gateway E-4200: Only hangs if I'm logged into X and xscreensaver is running. When I switch to the box, xscreensaver will be hung, as well as mouse and keyboard. However, the box is fine if it's just sitting at the GDM login screen. Gateway E3110: Hangs both when I'm logged in and when it's at the GDM login screen. The scroll lock + # of switch doesn't work. It always switches me to port 1 no matter which number I input. It was suggested to me to look in the BIOS for settings that may affect this but I'm not really sure what to look for. Somewhat related to this, sometimes I notice that switching from one port to another causes my mouse speed to change as well as my keyboard repeat key speed to slow down. Any help is appreciated. Thank you. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've occasionally had it hang, but I've always been able to get the Linux boxes going. The NT ones ususally have to be rebooted Haven't lost the Novell one yet. Here are some things I would ponder.... What version of X and what window manager are you running? It seems suspicious that it only happens if X is running. What happens if you kill X and go to console mode? How bout if you actually unplug the mouse and keyboard cables from the computer? How avout apm? Is apmd running? Is APM turned on or off in the BIOS? Check out the dpms flags in the xset command. BTW I'm not really happy with the switch. :-( -- Gerry Skerbitz gsker@tcfreneet.org On Mon, 15 Apr 2002, Amy Tanner wrote: > I have a Belkin OmniView SE 4-port KVM. Attached to it is a Dell and 2 > Gateways. I have no problem with the Dell, however on both Gateways, > the keyboard and mouse will hang after not being the active box (on the > KVM) for more than 20 minutes or so. With both machines I can still ping > them and login to them remotely. However only a reboot will fix the > keyboard/mouse problem. I get slightly different results with each: [etc.] From scot at thinkunix.net Mon Apr 15 15:32:00 2002 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail queue problems In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 03:00:34PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20020415153237.A21933@okane.localnet> does the queue clear if you manually flush it? as root, run: sendmail -q also check /etc/syslog.conf and see where mail.* is being logged to and check for messages there, usually /var/log/messages or /var/log/maillog Brian wrote: > I'm having random problems with sendmail. I'm running 8.9.3. > > Every so often, mail gets hung up in mqueue. It stays hung up for as long > as a day, then decides to send. mailq shows me that my messages are > 'deferred', nothing more. Any ideas what causes this? > > -Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Apr 15 15:56:01 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail queue problems In-Reply-To: <20020415153237.A21933@okane.localnet> Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Apr 2002, Scot Jenkins wrote: > does the queue clear if you manually flush it? Yup, that cleared it. I received all my inbound mail OK. > also check /etc/syslog.conf and see where mail.* is being logged to and > check for messages there, usually /var/log/messages or /var/log/maillog mail.* is being logged to /var/log/maillog. The log file, however, is empty. /var/log/sendmail.st is garbled. This is happening periodically, and as long as I sendmail -q it right away (or even throw that in cron.hourly) I should be ok. That being said, I'd like to find out what's causing this. -Brian From tanner at real-time.com Mon Apr 15 16:09:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail queue problems In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 03:00:34PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20020415160910.P17802@real-time.com> Quoting Brian (lxy@cloudnet.com): > I'm having random problems with sendmail. I'm running 8.9.3. > > Every so often, mail gets hung up in mqueue. It stays hung up for as long > as a day, then decides to send. mailq shows me that my messages are > 'deferred', nothing more. Any ideas what causes this? 8.9.3? Time to upgrade! Look at all the security issues that have been fixed. ftp://ftp.sendmail.org/pub/sendmail/RELEASE_NOTES -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jspinti at dartdist.com Mon Apr 15 16:33:00 2002 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shockwave player Message-ID: <1018903195.2100.29.camel@Dart-71_linux> I need to access a site that requires shockwave installed using Mozilla 0.9.9/20020326. I follow the instructions on the Macromedia page-- Copy the Macromedia Flash Player (libflashplayer.so) into the Netscape plug-in directory (/usr/lib/netscape/plugins). And Copy the Macromedia Flash Player Java class file (ShockwaveFlash.class) into the Netscape plug-in directory (/usr/lib/netscape/plugins). Restart the browser and it still asks for the plugin. The permissions are r/x for all users. Nate Carlson gave me the idea of putting them in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins. Now it no longer asks for the plugin, but simply sits there doing nothing. Anybody been able to get Flash/Shockwave running under Mozilla? Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 398 952-368-3255 fax From poptix at techmonkeys.org Mon Apr 15 16:45:01 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shockwave player In-Reply-To: <1018903195.2100.29.camel@Dart-71_linux>; from jspinti@dartdist.com on Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 03:39:55PM -0500 References: <1018903195.2100.29.camel@Dart-71_linux> Message-ID: <20020415154555.K26261@techmonkeys.org> On Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 03:39:55PM -0500, James Spinti wrote: > I need to access a site that requires shockwave installed using Mozilla > 0.9.9/20020326. > > I follow the instructions on the Macromedia page-- Copy the Macromedia > Flash Player (libflashplayer.so) into the Netscape plug-in directory > (/usr/lib/netscape/plugins). And Copy the Macromedia Flash Player Java > class file (ShockwaveFlash.class) into the Netscape plug-in directory > (/usr/lib/netscape/plugins). Restart the browser and it still asks for > the plugin. The permissions are r/x for all users. > > Nate Carlson gave me the idea of putting them in > /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins. Now it no longer asks for the plugin, but > simply sits there doing nothing. > > Anybody been able to get Flash/Shockwave running under Mozilla? Yes, Follow the instructions to the letter, putting the libflashplayer.so in /usr/lib/netscape/plugins and the .class into the same directory worked great for mozilla. > > Thanks, > > James Spinti > jspinti at dartdist dot com > 952-368-3278 ext 398 > 952-368-3255 fax -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Mon Apr 15 17:05:02 2002 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (Jim Kaufman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shockwave player In-Reply-To: <1018903195.2100.29.camel@Dart-71_linux>; from jspinti@dartdist.com on Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 03:39:55PM -0500 References: <1018903195.2100.29.camel@Dart-71_linux> Message-ID: <20020415170506.A28132@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> On Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 03:39:55PM -0500, James Spinti wrote: > I need to access a site that requires shockwave installed using Mozilla > 0.9.9/20020326. > > Anybody been able to get Flash/Shockwave running under Mozilla? > > Thanks, > > James Spinti > On my system the latest flash tarball works for netscape only. mozilla just dies when I try the latest libflash.so and go to macromedia.com. Mozilla works ok using an older (ver 4) flash. -- Jim Kaufman mailto:jmk@kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Linux Consultant, CCNA cell: 612-481-9778 public key 0x6D802619 fax: 952-937-9832 From jspinti at dartdist.com Mon Apr 15 17:11:00 2002 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shockwave player In-Reply-To: <20020415154555.K26261@techmonkeys.org> References: <1018903195.2100.29.camel@Dart-71_linux> <20020415154555.K26261@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <1018909006.2207.39.camel@Dart-71_linux> On Mon, 2002-04-15 at 16:45, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > > Anybody been able to get Flash/Shockwave running under Mozilla? > > Yes, > > Follow the instructions to the letter, putting the libflashplayer.so in > /usr/lib/netscape/plugins and the .class into the same directory worked > great for mozilla. Not working for me--here's the plugin info from Mozilla's plugin help screen: File name: /usr/lib/netscape/plugins/libflashplayer.so Shockwave Flash 5.0 r48 Mime Type Description Suffixes Enabled application/x-shockwave-flash Shockwave Flash swf Yes But the web page doesn't see it. -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 398 952-368-3255 fax From dsherman at real-time.com Mon Apr 15 17:12:02 2002 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shockwave player In-Reply-To: <20020415170506.A28132@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> References: <1018903195.2100.29.camel@Dart-71_linux> <20020415170506.A28132@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Message-ID: <1018908747.2817.2.camel@dedannshae.thuria.org> On Mon, 2002-04-15 at 17:05, Jim Kaufman wrote: > On my system the latest flash tarball works for netscape only. mozilla > just dies when I try the latest libflash.so and go to macromedia.com. > > Mozilla works ok using an older (ver 4) flash. That's interesting. I have Flash 5.0 R47 running perfectly in Mozilla 0.9.9 and Galeon 1.2.0. I just went to Macromedia's website, it prompted me to upgrade, and I let it do it's thing. System: Mandrake 8.1 running on an IBM ThinkPad i1400. -- Dave Sherman Beware the wrath of dragons, MCSE, MCSA, CCNA for you are crunchy, and good with ketchup. "lynx -source http://sildara.dyndns.org/davepub.asc | gpg --import" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020415/a6037e53/attachment.pgp From poptix at techmonkeys.org Mon Apr 15 18:08:01 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shockwave player In-Reply-To: <20020415170506.A28132@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us>; from jmk@kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us on Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 05:05:06PM -0500 References: <1018903195.2100.29.camel@Dart-71_linux> <20020415170506.A28132@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Message-ID: <20020415170854.L26261@techmonkeys.org> On Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 05:05:06PM -0500, Jim Kaufman wrote: > On my system the latest flash tarball works for netscape only. mozilla > just dies when I try the latest libflash.so and go to macromedia.com. > > Mozilla works ok using an older (ver 4) flash. > This is untrue, I'm using the following: Macromedia Flash Player 5 Netscape Plug-in for Linux 15 February 2001 it works fine with mozilla: Mozilla 0.9.9 Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020411 it came as flash_linux.tar.gz: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 574415 Apr 15 18:06 /tmp/flash_linux.tar.gz -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Mon Apr 15 19:12:01 2002 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shockwave player In-Reply-To: <1018909006.2207.39.camel@Dart-71_linux> References: <1018903195.2100.29.camel@Dart-71_linux> <20020415154555.K26261@techmonkeys.org> <1018909006.2207.39.camel@Dart-71_linux> Message-ID: <20020415191220.A6721@baker.space.umn.edu> On Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 05:16:45PM -0500, James Spinti wrote: > Not working for me--here's the plugin info from Mozilla's plugin help > screen: > > File name: /usr/lib/netscape/plugins/libflashplayer.so > Shockwave Flash 5.0 r48 > > Mime Type Description Suffixes Enabled > application/x-shockwave-flash Shockwave Flash swf Yes Try some other web page that requires flash, and see if it works there - like www.macromedia.com . To me it sounds like flash is workig, but the web page you have is broken in some other way. You could also try putting the plugins in ~/.mozilla/plugins , but you'll probably get the same results. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org From jack at jacku.com Mon Apr 15 19:43:01 2002 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KVM-attached box hanging In-Reply-To: <20020415145019.E5789@real-time.com> References: <20020415145019.E5789@real-time.com> Message-ID: <02041519434600.00960@geezer> On Monday 15 April 2002 14:50, Amy Tanner wrote: We've got an 8-port one of those at a client site and have often had to unplug the mouse and/or keyboard from the unit to get Windows (NT or 2K) to recognize them again. I recently added a Linux system to that switch. I have had some instance where it locks up in X (KDE specifically). Usually the keyboard is alive enough to recognize Ctrl-Alt-Backspace. When the X-server restarts full keyboard and mouse control are restored. May not help in your situation if its a hard lockup. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From peter-clark at bethel.edu Mon Apr 15 19:55:03 2002 From: peter-clark at bethel.edu (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Keychain Memory In-Reply-To: <200204150059.TAA05735@osiris2.2ndAve.mpls.orbis.net> References: <200204150059.TAA05735@osiris2.2ndAve.mpls.orbis.net> Message-ID: <200204160055.g3G0thL315386@pimout3-int.prodigy.net> On Sunday 14 April 2002 20:30, Terry Houle wrote: > Trying to figure out how to get the system to recognize a USB harddrive. I > want to use the GUI and running SuSe. Any comments appreciated. Pretty simple. First, make sure that you have SCSI support in your kernel. If you are running the stock SuSE, this should not be a concern. For my DiskOnKey, I added the following line to my /etc/fstab file: /dev/sdb1 /mnt/dok vfat noauto,rw,user,nosuid,sync,mode=0777 0 0 Note that you will most likely want to change "/dev/sdb1" to "/dev/sda1" if you don't have another SCSI device on your system. I installed hotplug and usbmgr on my system and then modified /etc/usbmgr/usbmgr.conf so that the line for the DiskOnKey read as such: vendor 0x8ec product 0x0010 module scsi_mod, sd_mod, usb-storage script diskonkey (All of that should be on one line.) The most recent versions of usbmgr have support for the DiskOnKey, so unless you want automount support, like I did, you don't need to change anything. For automount support (or fake automount, anyways), I wrote a script called "diskonkey" (that's the last part of the line above) and put it in /etc/usbmgr. The script is fairly simple: #!/bin/sh if [ "$ACTION" == "add" ]; then mount /mnt/dok fi Basically, what happens is that whenever I plug my DiskOnKey into a USB port, usbmgr/hotplug runs the script and mounts it. Unfortunately, this still requires me to unmount it, but what can you do? Oh, yes. For GUI action, just make a link on your desktop like you would for any other drive, and away you go! :Peter From trammell at el-swifto.com Mon Apr 15 21:47:01 2002 From: trammell at el-swifto.com (John Joseph Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:42 2005 Subject: [OT] [TCLUG] KVM-attached box hanging In-Reply-To: <20020415145019.E5789@real-time.com>; from amy@real-time.com on Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 02:50:20PM -0500 References: <20020415145019.E5789@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020415212413.A26644@mail.el-swifto.com> On Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 02:50:20PM -0500, Amy Tanner wrote: [snip] Amy, is your public key posted anywhere? I can't seem to find it, and reading your posts breaks my rhythm because GPG times out trying to verify your mail signature. Thanks, J From tanner at real-time.com Tue Apr 16 01:29:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cool, almost endmail Enters the Collaborative Apps Arena Message-ID: <20020416012913.M4452@real-time.com> Sendmail Enters the Collaborative Apps Arena http://serverwatch.internet.com/news/2002_04_15_b.html Sendmail Calendar Server runs on any Sun Server running Solaris 8 and also requires Oracle 8i Enterprise Server (v8.1.7 or higher) to be running. Was pumped, then read that. Went here.... http://store.sendmail.com/cgi-bin/smistore/e.store/prodcategory.jsp?prodCategory=-9343&Failed_Reason=No+BVCookie+present+to+retrieve+the+session.&Failed_Page=%2fe.store%2fprodcategory.jsp Only got Solaris version. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From amy at real-time.com Tue Apr 16 10:38:00 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KVM-attached box hanging In-Reply-To: <20020415150832.L35343-100000@tcfreenet.org>; from gsker@tcfreenet.org on Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 03:14:35PM -0500 References: <20020415145019.E5789@real-time.com> <20020415150832.L35343-100000@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20020416103811.F29860@real-time.com> On Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 03:14:35PM -0500, Gerald Skerbitz (gsker@tcfreenet.org) wrote: > Amy, > I have the same exact switch as well as its 8-port brethren. > I've occasionally had it hang, but I've always been able to get the Linux > boxes going. The NT ones ususally have to be rebooted Haven't lost the > Novell one yet. > > Here are some things I would ponder.... > What version of X and what window manager are you running? It seems > suspicious that it only happens if X is running. What happens if you kill > X and go to console mode? How bout if you actually unplug the mouse and > keyboard cables from the computer? All 3 boxes are setup identically, running XFree86-4.1.0-15 and Gnome 1.4. I'm trying just console mode now to see what happens. Temporarily yanking mouse & keyboard causes no problems. > How avout apm? Is apmd running? Is APM turned on or off in the BIOS? > Check out the dpms flags in the xset command. apm not installed. APM turned off in the bios. Trying xset -dpms now. > BTW I'm not really happy with the switch. :-( Me either :( Thanks for the ideas. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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And we are going to sell the product at the special price to people who are interested in Linux if your group can place an order of the YOPY more than three units until April 27. The price of one unit is US$320 and plus the shipping cost. I am attaching the file about the features of the YOPY OS for your reference. And also you can get information on our product from the following websites, www.gmate.com/english/products/pop_overview.htm www.yopydeveloper.org www.yopy.com If you are interested in this event, please let me know ( my e-mail address : cheongs@gmate.com ) I really appreciate you for taking your time with this mail. Thanks * download : information Seungchae Cheong Manager Sales & Marketing G.Mate, Inc. Tel: 82-31-738-1209 Fax: 82-31-738-1212 From drew at usfamily.net Tue Apr 16 12:05:55 2002 From: drew at usfamily.net (Andrew Nemchenko) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Fwd: Linux PDA YOPY] References: <3CBC51E0.6040805@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3CBC5A6F.94E3F1F2@usfamily.net> Actually I would much rather see the sharp Zaurus, its supposed to be very powerfull and have many many features. Clay Fandre wrote: > Anyone else find it funny that they are sending me power-point attachments? > > Any have one of these? Is $320 a good price? It looks pretty cool. Maybe > I should ask for a demo unit before I promote it to the group. ;-) > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Linux PDA YOPY > Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 22:43:40 +0900 (KST) > From: YOPY > Reply-To: > To: cfandre@maddog.mn-linux.org > > We are manufacturing the multimedia Linux color PDA by the name of YOPY > in Korea. > I think all your members must be interested in the Linux PDA. > And we are going to sell the product at the special price to people who > are interested in Linux > if your group can place an order of the YOPY more than three units until > April 27. > The price of one unit is US$320 and plus the shipping cost. > I am attaching the file about the features of the YOPY OS for your > reference. > And also you can get information on our product from the following websites, > www.gmate.com/english/products/pop_overview.htm > > www.yopydeveloper.org > > www.yopy.com > > If you are interested in this event, please let me know ( my e-mail > address : cheongs@gmate.com ) > > I really appreciate you for taking your time with this mail. > > Thanks > > * download : information > > > Seungchae Cheong > Manager > Sales & Marketing > G.Mate, Inc. > Tel: 82-31-738-1209 > Fax: 82-31-738-1212 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ From clay at fandre.com Tue Apr 16 12:19:01 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Fwd: Linux PDA YOPY] References: <3CBC51E0.6040805@fandre.com> <3CBC5A6F.94E3F1F2@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <3CBC5D08.9080401@fandre.com> Yea, a co-worker of mine just bought one yesterday. Very cool indeed. I looked at it briefly and from what I saw it rocked. The keyboard is awesome and the display is better than the Ipaq. Little outside my price range though. Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > Actually I would much rather see the sharp Zaurus, its supposed to be very > powerfull and have many many features. > > Clay Fandre wrote: > > >>Anyone else find it funny that they are sending me power-point attachments? >> >>Any have one of these? Is $320 a good price? It looks pretty cool. Maybe >>I should ask for a demo unit before I promote it to the group. ;-) >> >>-------- Original Message -------- >>Subject: Linux PDA YOPY >>Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 22:43:40 +0900 (KST) >>From: YOPY >>Reply-To: >>To: cfandre@maddog.mn-linux.org >> >>We are manufacturing the multimedia Linux color PDA by the name of YOPY >>in Korea. >>I think all your members must be interested in the Linux PDA. >>And we are going to sell the product at the special price to people who >>are interested in Linux >>if your group can place an order of the YOPY more than three units until >>April 27. >>The price of one unit is US$320 and plus the shipping cost. >>I am attaching the file about the features of the YOPY OS for your >>reference. >>And also you can get information on our product from the following websites, >>www.gmate.com/english/products/pop_overview.htm >> >>www.yopydeveloper.org >> >>www.yopy.com >> >>If you are interested in this event, please let me know ( my e-mail >>address : cheongs@gmate.com ) >> >>I really appreciate you for taking your time with this mail. >> >>Thanks >> >>* download : information >> >> >>Seungchae Cheong >>Manager >>Sales & Marketing >>G.Mate, Inc. >>Tel: 82-31-738-1209 >>Fax: 82-31-738-1212 >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org >>tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jspinti at dartdist.com Tue Apr 16 12:38:01 2002 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LUG survey Message-ID: <1018979058.2100.72.camel@Dart-71_linux> Saw this on lwn.net/daily, don't know if anybody's interested... http://www.surveypro.com/cgi-bin/surveypro/run_survey.cgi?id=2444 -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 398 952-368-3255 fax From natecars at real-time.com Tue Apr 16 15:18:00 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Norton Antivirus mucks with SMTP connections Message-ID: Just a FYI to all -- I was experimenting with SMTP connections from a Windows XP box out to a Sendmail server with TLS enabled, and for some reason, kept getting a message back from Sendmail that said 'Unsupported command' when trying to issue a STARTTLS command. Worked fine telnet'ing to port 25 from a Linux box, but when I went to the XP box and issues the same command (in telnet), it caused problems. Finally narrowed it down to a 'usual suspect' for pop3 problems -- Norton Antivirus. It's got a feature that proxies outbound SMTP connections, and only supports a limited command set. Ugh! Just a FYI for anyone who comes into this one.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Tue Apr 16 15:56:02 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KVM-attached box hanging In-Reply-To: <20020415145019.E5789@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Apr 2002, Amy Tanner wrote: > I have a Belkin OmniView SE 4-port KVM. Attached to it is a Dell and > 2 Gateways. I have no problem with the Dell, however on both > Gateways, the keyboard and mouse will hang after not being the active > box (on the KVM) for more than 20 minutes or so. With both machines I > can still ping them and login to them remotely. However only a reboot > will fix the keyboard/mouse problem. I get slightly different results > with each: The OmniView SE's are notorious for this. If you upgrade to an OmniView Pro or Matrix, you won't have any of these problems, or so I've been told. Have you tried Belkin's support? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jpschewe at mtu.net Tue Apr 16 16:36:01 2002 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] List of compatible processors for Linux? Message-ID: <20020416173701.A5796@mtu.net> Someone at work asked me this question today and I couldn't find a master list. What he'd like to find is a master list of all processors that Linux has been ported to so he can match this list up with a list of available processors for a project. In particular he's looking at FPGAs. I tried the Hardware HOWTO, and it gave a list, but stated it wasn't complete. Same thing out on kernel.org. Has someone built such a list? -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From skodak at cs.umn.edu Tue Apr 16 16:48:00 2002 From: skodak at cs.umn.edu (Sreekumar Kodakara) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question On the address range of Kernel. In-Reply-To: <20020416173701.A5796@mtu.net> Message-ID: Hi I was searching for the address range in memory of the system where in the linux kernel will be loaded. I read in Linux Docs that the kernel will be loaded in one portion of the memory. I want to know the starting and ending addresses. Can anybody help me with this information or give me links where I can find out this information? Thanks for the help in advance. Sreekumar From foeclan at visi.com Tue Apr 16 16:53:01 2002 From: foeclan at visi.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] List of compatible processors for Linux? In-Reply-To: <20020416173701.A5796@mtu.net> Message-ID: According to kernel.org: Linux was first developed for 32-bit x86-based PCs (386 or higher). These days it also runs on (at least) the Compaq Alpha AXP, Sun SPARC and UltraSPARC, Motorola 68000, PowerPC, PowerPC64, ARM, Hitachi SuperH, IBM S/390, MIPS, HP PA-RISC, Intel IA-64, DEC VAX, AMD x86-64 and CRIS architectures. You could also probably check the arch/ subdirectory of the most current kernel source for updates. -- Michael Vieths Foeclan@Visi.com On Tue, 16 Apr 2002, Jon Schewe wrote: > Someone at work asked me this question today and I couldn't find a master > list. What he'd like to find is a master list of all processors that Linux > has been ported to so he can match this list up with a list of available > processors for a project. In particular he's looking at FPGAs. > > I tried the Hardware HOWTO, and it gave a list, but stated it wasn't > complete. Same thing out on kernel.org. Has someone built such a list? > > -- > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From list at slushpupie.com Tue Apr 16 17:22:00 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] List of compatible processors for Linux? In-Reply-To: <20020416173701.A5796@mtu.net> References: <20020416173701.A5796@mtu.net> Message-ID: <20020416222404.C076A60303@friday.localdomain.fake> The problem with getting a "master list" is that the kernel branches, and the "official" kernel isnt always responsible for them. A good example is the m68k branchs.. as there is so much variance in this hardware, it has taken on its own project. Other smaller projects (for embeded devices) have also emerged. So the short answer is you wont find a master list. But if you want a list, check out the different arcs that kernel.org provides, that is most likely the closest thing you will find to such a beast. Jay On Tuesday 16 April 2002 04:37 pm, Jon Schewe wrote: > Someone at work asked me this question today and I couldn't find a master > list. What he'd like to find is a master list of all processors that Linux > has been ported to so he can match this list up with a list of available > processors for a project. In particular he's looking at FPGAs. > > I tried the Hardware HOWTO, and it gave a list, but stated it wasn't > complete. Same thing out on kernel.org. Has someone built such a list? From houle at citilink.com Tue Apr 16 20:43:43 2002 From: houle at citilink.com (Terry Houle) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Zaurus In-Reply-To: <3CBC5D08.9080401@fandre.com> Message-ID: <200204170143.UAA00291@osiris2.2ndAve.mpls.orbis.net> All the reviews I have seen on this product are negative. Very short battery life and buggy were the comments. O >Andrew Nemchenko wrote: >>Actually I would much rather see the sharp Zaurus, its supposed to >>be very >>powerfull and have many many features. >> From jack at jacku.com Tue Apr 16 21:34:01 2002 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Zaurus In-Reply-To: <200204170143.UAA00291@osiris2.2ndAve.mpls.orbis.net> References: <200204170143.UAA00291@osiris2.2ndAve.mpls.orbis.net> Message-ID: <02041621335800.00732@geezer> On Tuesday 16 April 2002 20:42, Terry Houle wrote: > All the reviews I have seen on this product are negative. Very short > battery life and buggy were the comments. > > O > > >Andrew Nemchenko wrote: > >>Actually I would much rather see the sharp Zaurus, its supposed to > >>be very > >>powerfull and have many many features. > I guess it depends on the reviews. Linux Format reviewed the developer edition (SL-5000D) in the 02/02 issue and gave it 9 out of 10. Linux magazine in their February issue also reviewed the 5000D and gave it a mixed review. Something about "gooey cookies" and "fully baked". Only time will tell... -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From mitc0185 at tc.umn.edu Tue Apr 16 22:09:01 2002 From: mitc0185 at tc.umn.edu (Erik Mitchell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] nls error when using smbmount Message-ID: <1019012969.320.3.camel@tolkien> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, J From jima at beer.tclug.org Tue Apr 16 22:34:01 2002 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 678 CBOS upgrade In-Reply-To: <20020416221230.A2103@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Apr 2002, John Joseph Trammell wrote: > Hi all: > > Just tried to update my CBOS from v2.4.1 to v2.4.3, and failed > miserably: > > - following the Qwest instructions (Xmodem) failed > - following the Bill Layer instructions in the TCLUG archive > failed due to TFTP timeouts on the 678 side > > I guess my next plan is to set up a machine as a TFTP server > and try to download the image to the 678 that way. > > Anyone have success upgrading their CBOS on a 678 using Linux only? No, not yet, but the information in these two URLs *should* have the relevent answer. (I hope.) http://archives2.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2001-July/038737.html http://archives2.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2001-August/014920.html The first (evidently) shows how to tweak Minicom to upload the image properly, and the second shows how to recover a trashed router. (Now *that*, I've done, but only before I went Linux-only.) Not very helpful, I know, but it's worth a shot. Jima From florin at iucha.net Tue Apr 16 22:39:00 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 678 CBOS upgrade In-Reply-To: <20020416221230.A2103@mail.el-swifto.com> References: <20020416221230.A2103@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <20020417033919.GA24977@iucha.net> On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 10:12:30PM -0500, John Joseph Trammell wrote: > Just tried to update my CBOS from v2.4.1 to v2.4.3, and failed > miserably: > > - following the Qwest instructions (Xmodem) failed > - following the Bill Layer instructions in the TCLUG archive > failed due to TFTP timeouts on the 678 side > > I guess my next plan is to set up a machine as a TFTP server > and try to download the image to the 678 that way. > > Anyone have success upgrading their CBOS on a 678 using Linux only? Yes, using Bill's method. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020416/74016250/attachment.pgp From bgilbertson at stonel.com Wed Apr 17 06:50:01 2002 From: bgilbertson at stonel.com (Bob Gilbertson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] List of compatible processors for Linux? References: <20020416173701.A5796@mtu.net> Message-ID: <3CBD61B1.C2EB3973@stonel.com> Jon, Don't know that Linux has been pushed down into FPGA's (yet), not enough horsepower in them I think. Here is at least a partial listing of uC: http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT4313418436.html One mfgr. I think is interesting is NEC: http://www.linuxdevices.com/products/PD6574796610.html http://www.necel.com/microprocessors/powerEfficient.cfm 1545 MIPS/watt, however its definitely not an FPGA :) There may be other uC whose instruction set is only partially supported at this point. Bob Jon Schewe wrote: > > Someone at work asked me this question today and I couldn't find a master > list. What he'd like to find is a master list of all processors that Linux > has been ported to so he can match this list up with a list of available > processors for a project. In particular he's looking at FPGAs. > > I tried the Hardware HOWTO, and it gave a list, but stated it wasn't > complete. Same thing out on kernel.org. Has someone built such a list? > > -- > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From jacque at fruitioninc.com Wed Apr 17 10:29:25 2002 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting April 18th 2002 Message-ID: Hi Folks: We'll be meeting at Patrick McGoverns, April 18th 2002 at 6pm. Details here: http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting See you there! Jacque From jacque at fruitioninc.com Wed Apr 17 10:31:01 2002 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting April 18th 2002 Message-ID: Hi Folks: We'll be meeting at Patrick McGoverns, April 18th 2002 at 6pm. Details here: http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting See you there! Jacque _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From matthew at redroot.org Wed Apr 17 10:45:00 2002 From: matthew at redroot.org (matthew@redroot.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting April 18th 2002 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey guys... I will be working there (McGovern's Upstairs) tomorrow (Thursday) go upstairs, and ask for Matthew! I will take good care of you! mcd On Wed, 17 Apr 2002, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > Hi Folks: > > We'll be meeting at Patrick McGoverns, April 18th 2002 at 6pm. > > > Details here: http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting > > > > See you there! > > > Jacque > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-announce mailing list > tclug-announce@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From chuck at redroot.org Wed Apr 17 10:46:02 2002 From: chuck at redroot.org (Chuck Milam) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting April 18th 2002 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Apr 2002, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > We'll be meeting at Patrick McGoverns, April 18th 2002 at 6pm. Sweet! Matthew (a TCLUGer/Linux head) will be working upstairs. We can try to wrangle free rounds out of him. -- Chuck Milam chuck@redroot.org From jacque at fruitioninc.com Wed Apr 17 10:46:23 2002 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] new beer meeting organizer(s)? Message-ID: Hi Folks- Anyone interested in organizing the Beer Meetings in the future? Like starting 2 weeks from now? I have too much going on this spring/summer to make it every meeting, so I think its time to pass the torch. If you are interested in organizing these, email me off list. Thanks, Jacque From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Apr 17 11:19:00 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] nls error when using smbmount In-Reply-To: <1019012969.320.3.camel@tolkien> Message-ID: iirc the codepages are compiled with the kernel, look under "File systems" under "Native Language Support" this is on a 2.4 redhat supplied kernel but i doubt 2.2 is much different -munir From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Apr 17 12:15:02 2002 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting April 18th 2002 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Apr 2002, Chuck Milam wrote: > Sweet! Matthew (a TCLUGer/Linux head) will be working upstairs. We can > try to wrangle free rounds out of him. Yeah, he served us the last time there was a BeerMeeting there. I for one wouldn't bother him with trying to leech free alcohol. *mean glare* I do believe, though, he's the first bartender I've met who's also a qualified AIX admin. (I *think* it was AIX...) Jima From matthew at redroot.org Wed Apr 17 12:24:01 2002 From: matthew at redroot.org (matthew@redroot.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting April 18th 2002 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: HPUX... I wish AIX! mcd On Wed, 17 Apr 2002, Jima wrote: > On Wed, 17 Apr 2002, Chuck Milam wrote: > > Sweet! Matthew (a TCLUGer/Linux head) will be working upstairs. We can > > try to wrangle free rounds out of him. > > Yeah, he served us the last time there was a BeerMeeting there. I for > one wouldn't bother him with trying to leech free alcohol. *mean glare* > I do believe, though, he's the first bartender I've met who's also a > qualified AIX admin. (I *think* it was AIX...) > > Jima > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tanner at real-time.com Wed Apr 17 12:39:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 678 CBOS upgrade In-Reply-To: ; from jima@beer.tclug.org on Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 10:34:34PM -0500 References: <20020416221230.A2103@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <20020417123956.A10212@real-time.com> Quoting Jima (jima@beer.tclug.org): > No, not yet, but the information in these two URLs *should* have the > relevent answer. (I hope.) > > http://archives2.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2001-July/038737.html > > http://archives2.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2001-August/014920.html > > The first (evidently) shows how to tweak Minicom to upload the image > properly, and the second shows how to recover a trashed router. (Now > *that*, I've done, but only before I went Linux-only.) > Not very helpful, I know, but it's worth a shot. For giggles, I tried the xmodem upgrade method and I cannot get it to be consistent in any fashion. Meaning, I cannot get it to consitently fail -or- consistently succeed. cbos#show ver Cisco Broadband Operating System CBOS (tm) 678 Software (C678-I-M), Version v2.4.1 - Release Software Copyright (c) 1986-2000 by cisco Systems, Inc. Compiled Dec 8 2000 09:45:11 DMT FULL firmware version G96 NVRAM image at 0x1030a9a0 Is my base install. Tried to upgrade to 2.4.3b minicom-1.83.1-16 lrzsz-0.12.20-10 I tried the /usr/bin/sx -vv --1k and it works no better/no worse then without the --1k option. I think it's important to get the serial upgrade stuff working because explain to linux newbies how to setup a *secure* tftp server can be a difficult task. Anyone able to re-verify that the serial method works? -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From florin at iucha.net Wed Apr 17 12:52:00 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 678 CBOS upgrade In-Reply-To: <20020417123956.A10212@real-time.com> References: <20020416221230.A2103@mail.el-swifto.com> <20020417123956.A10212@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020417175222.GA439@iucha.net> On Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 12:39:56PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > I think it's important to get the serial upgrade stuff working because explain > to linux newbies how to setup a *secure* tftp server can be a difficult task. Ugh... a not running tftp server is a secure tftp server. And a not installed one is even more secure. Why do you need to have it secured? Install it, use it to upgrade CBOS and the uninstall it. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020417/1b608b29/attachment.pgp From DACross at nwc.edu Wed Apr 17 12:55:02 2002 From: DACross at nwc.edu (DACross@nwc.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VPN on Linux Message-ID: Does anyone have any recommendations for a simple VPN solution running on a low-end Linux box? It only has to serve a few users and it would help if the same box could act as a firewall for a home network with DSL. ++++++++++++++++++++++ David Cross, KC0KII Northwestern College Telephone: (651) 628-3438 Fax: (651) 628-3363 "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose." -- Jim Elliot, missionary to the Waorani From florin at iucha.net Wed Apr 17 12:55:23 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting April 18th 2002 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020417175430.GB439@iucha.net> On Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 10:26:02AM -0500, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > Hi Folks: > > We'll be meeting at Patrick McGoverns, April 18th 2002 at 6pm. > > > Details here: http://www.mn-linux.org/beermeeting Mmmm... clusteredbeermeetingnotifications. 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I'd just use a PPTP server since it's very easy to set up client machines. If you have a small budget, you could buy a Netscreen 5xp firewall for $500 and give remote users the Netscreen Remote VPN client (which uses NAT-T to facilitate IPSec traversal through a NAT device). Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: DACross@nwc.edu [mailto:DACross@nwc.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 11:32 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] VPN on Linux > > > > Does anyone have any recommendations for a simple VPN > solution running on a low-end Linux box? It only has to serve > a few users and it would help if the same box could act as a > firewall for a home network with DSL. > > ++++++++++++++++++++++ > David Cross, KC0KII > Northwestern College > Telephone: (651) 628-3438 > Fax: (651) 628-3363 > > "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep > to gain what he cannot lose." -- Jim Elliot, missionary to > the Waorani > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Apr 17 13:08:00 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mosix Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D848@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Has anyone set up a Mosix cluster? I have a very evil application that would benefit greatly from a clustered environment. http://newsvac.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/04/13/055227 This article implies that the application would not need any changes to run in this environment. Jay From thompson at math-cs.cns.uni.edu Wed Apr 17 13:41:01 2002 From: thompson at math-cs.cns.uni.edu (Aaron Thompson (CNS Staff)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mosix In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D848@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 01:07:57PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D848@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20020417134103.G25311@math-cs.cns.uni.edu> We tried mosix last summer - CNS has a 90% linux server environment, and tried to setup a mosix cluster for student with 5 machines (planning to add more in the future). We had some problems that we had a hard time figuring out the cause of... Initialy I blamed Mosix - since it was process based - but it looks like the process was related to NFS and the automounter that was being used. Since we had problems and needed a stable working environment a month into use we moved it to a beowulf cluster - which seemed to have less problems. I plan to play with mosix this summer so that it is up and usable by the begining of the next school year. @ On Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 01:07:57PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > Has anyone set up a Mosix cluster? I have a very evil application that > would benefit greatly from a clustered environment. > > http://newsvac.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/04/13/055227 > > This article implies that the application would not need any changes to run > in this environment. > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Aaron Thompson Unix Systems Administrator College of Natural Science University of Northern Iowa From mbusse at bussefamily.com Wed Apr 17 13:55:02 2002 From: mbusse at bussefamily.com (Michael Busse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VPN on Linux Message-ID: <200204171856.g3HIuAN23911@webmail.bussefamily.com> Check out Smoothwall GPL. The VPN works great between me and several friends. Very easy to setup and maintain. http://www.smoothwall.org Mike Busse > > Does anyone have any recommendations for a simple VPN solution running on a > low-end Linux box? It only has to serve a few users and it would help if > the same box could act as a firewall for a home network with DSL. > > ++++++++++++++++++++++ > David Cross, KC0KII > Northwestern College > Telephone: (651) 628-3438 > Fax: (651) 628-3363 > > "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep > to gain what he cannot lose." -- Jim Elliot, missionary to the Waorani > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From mbusse at bussefamily.com Wed Apr 17 13:55:29 2002 From: mbusse at bussefamily.com (Michael Busse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VPN on Linux Message-ID: <200204171856.g3HIuhO23919@webmail.bussefamily.com> Check out Smoothwall GPL. The VPN works great between me and several friends. Very easy to setup and maintain. http://www.smoothwall.org Mike Busse > > Does anyone have any recommendations for a simple VPN solution running on a > low-end Linux box? It only has to serve a few users and it would help if > the same box could act as a firewall for a home network with DSL. > > ++++++++++++++++++++++ > David Cross, KC0KII > Northwestern College > Telephone: (651) 628-3438 > Fax: (651) 628-3363 > > "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep > to gain what he cannot lose." -- Jim Elliot, missionary to the Waorani > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From natecars at real-time.com Wed Apr 17 14:39:00 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VPN on Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Apr 2002, DACross@nwc.edu wrote: > Does anyone have any recommendations for a simple VPN solution running > on a low-end Linux box? It only has to serve a few users and it would > help if the same box could act as a firewall for a home network with > DSL. What type of clients? My recommendation is always FreeS/WAN, but if you have to deal with Micro$oft clients, you may want to look into Poptop instead.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Wed Apr 17 14:40:03 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VPN on Linux In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D847@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Apr 2002, Austad, Jay wrote: > Well, you can use freeswan, but it's kind of a pain to setup win2k > boxes to talk to it. I'd just use a PPTP server since it's very easy > to set up client machines. Actually, you can just use the ipsec.exe utility, which makes it so you've got an ipsec.conf file on the 'doze side.. pretty trivial. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Apr 17 15:34:00 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VPN on Linux In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D847@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 01:04:24PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D847@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20020417153427.R4452@real-time.com> Quoting Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com): > Well, you can use freeswan, but it's kind of a pain to setup win2k boxes to > talk to it. I'd just use a PPTP server since it's very easy to set up > client machines. Variety is what you get on this list. We (Real Time) have found setting up win2k with freeswan simple and straight forward. NOTE: win2k, any of the win9x stuff is terrible. I recommend -against- pptp. We've had it kernel panic several boxes at several times. And all sorts of issues with having win9x machine having to be patched to work correctly. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Apr 17 15:36:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 678 CBOS upgrade In-Reply-To: <20020417175222.GA439@iucha.net>; from florin@iucha.net on Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 12:52:22PM -0500 References: <20020416221230.A2103@mail.el-swifto.com> <20020417123956.A10212@real-time.com> <20020417175222.GA439@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20020417153702.S4452@real-time.com> Quoting Florin Iucha (florin@iucha.net): > Ugh... a not running tftp server is a secure tftp server. And a not > installed one is even more secure. > > Why do you need to have it secured? Install it, use it to upgrade CBOS > and the uninstall it. Try explaining this to someone who installs redhat 7.2 with the most secure option which disallows any initiate incoming port. Then walk them through changing ipchains (7.2 uses ipchains by default). THEN install tftp, THEN uninstalling tftp. Serial just seems easier. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From cgahlon at citilink.com Wed Apr 17 16:17:01 2002 From: cgahlon at citilink.com (Christopher Gahlon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KVM-attached box hanging References: Message-ID: <3CBDE63D.C91837A5@citilink.com> > The OmniView SE's are notorious for this. If you upgrade to an OmniView > Pro or Matrix, you won't have any of these problems, or so I've been told. > > Have you tried Belkin's support? I had an OmniView SE on my workstations at a previous job and this worked about 1/2 the time. Other wise you get to apply the Microsoft Fix(tm) and reboot. http://www.belkin.com/support/faq/F1D104.html#7 The link directly to the linux fix doesn't work so if resetting the switch doesn't work look a little further down the page for Linux. We've got Cybex equip at the office now and I'm very happy with this Cybex (now avocent) SwitchView OSD series. It has NEVER locked up in the year we've owned it. I love it! http://www.cybex.com/cybex/publicw2.nsf/productshidden/SwitchView+OSD A 4 Port version can be seen here: http://www.cybex.com/cybex/publicw2.nsf/productshidden/SwitchView+MP -- Christopher Gahlon From natecars at real-time.com Wed Apr 17 16:21:00 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VPN on Linux In-Reply-To: <20020417153427.R4452@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Apr 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > I recommend -against- pptp. We've had it kernel panic several boxes at > several times. And all sorts of issues with having win9x machine > having to be patched to work correctly. To clarify this, we've had it kernel panic repeatably in the following cases: 1) 2.2 SMP Kernel 2) 2.4 Kernel (someone found a bug where enough space wasn't being allocated to a buffer that they think caused this -- the client using it hasn't had time to let us test the patch yet, though.) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From barnabas at knicknack.net Wed Apr 17 16:44:01 2002 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (Eric Stanley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KVM-attached box hanging In-Reply-To: <3CBDE63D.C91837A5@citilink.com>; from cgahlon@citilink.com on Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 04:16:45PM -0500 References: <3CBDE63D.C91837A5@citilink.com> Message-ID: <20020417164445.B16069@knicknack.net> I'd like to second that opinion. I've had my share of trouble with Belkin products, but the Cybex I now have on my desk (and have had for almost 11 months) has worked flawlessly. If you want to spend some $$, Raritan has good products as well. On Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 04:16:45PM -0500, Christopher Gahlon wrote: > I had an OmniView SE on my workstations at a previous job and this > worked about 1/2 the time. Other wise you get to apply the Microsoft > Fix(tm) and reboot. > http://www.belkin.com/support/faq/F1D104.html#7 > > The link directly to the linux fix doesn't work so if resetting the > switch doesn't work look a little further down the page for Linux. > > We've got Cybex equip at the office now and I'm very happy with this > Cybex (now avocent) SwitchView OSD series. It has NEVER locked up in > the year we've owned it. I love it! > http://www.cybex.com/cybex/publicw2.nsf/productshidden/SwitchView+OSD > > A 4 Port version can be seen here: > http://www.cybex.com/cybex/publicw2.nsf/productshidden/SwitchView+MP > > -- > Christopher Gahlon -- Eric From djb at tc.umn.edu Wed Apr 17 17:04:01 2002 From: djb at tc.umn.edu (Dave Bianchi) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCSA meeting April 18 Message-ID: The Twin Cities System Administrators (TCSA) group meets monthly to discuss topics of interest to system and network administrators in the Twin Cities area of Minnesota. The meetings are free and open to the public. Check out our web site at http://www.tcsa.org/ ----- Strictly Business Expo The Strictly Business Solutions Expo is May 8 & 9 at the Minneapolis Convention Center. TCSA will be there! See the following URL for information about the Expo. http://www.strictlybusinessexpo.com/ ----- Next Meeting: Topic: TCSA Dinner Speaker: Date/Time: April 18, 2002 6:30 pm Location: Khan's Mongolian Barbeque Synopsis: This is a TCSA social event. We'll be meeting at 6:30 pm at Khan's Mongolian Barbeque in Richfield for dinner. We will meet at Khan's Mongolian Barbeque, 500 E 78th Street, at Portland just north of Hwy. 494. Tentative Meeting Schedule May 16, 2002 June 20, 2002 Directions: Khan's Mongolian Barbeque: Khan's Mongolian Barbeque 500 E 78th Street Richfield, MN 55423 612-861-7991 Khan's is north of Highway 494 at the Portland exit. The Portland exit is east of Highway 35W. For more information on TCSA, check out our web site: http://www.tcsa.org/ To subscribe to the TCSA or TCSA-JOBS mailing lists, follow the TCSA or TCSA-JOBS link from: http://list.onvoy.com/ For any other information, please send email to: info@tcsa.org or contact: Dave Bianchi 651-260-1770 -- Dave Bianchi djb@tc.umn.edu 651-260-1770 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Apr 17 17:04:29 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VPN on Linux In-Reply-To: <200204171856.g3HIuhO23919@webmail.bussefamily.com> References: <200204171856.g3HIuhO23919@webmail.bussefamily.com> Message-ID: <20020417192821.GC18610@wookimus.net> On Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 01:56:43PM -0500, Michael Busse wrote: > Check out Smoothwall GPL. The VPN works great between me and several > friends. Very easy to setup and maintain. > > http://www.smoothwall.org The website implies that the SmoothWall VPN module is an addon for the Corporate version, not the GPL version. The cost difference is substantial, especially when the request was for a low-end server. Compare over $300 to $0. We should perhaps ask more questions about what is required: ease of maintenance, cost, interoperability, etc. If we can assume that cost is a greater issue than ease of use/maintenance, then something like FreeSwan, which implements IPSec, may be a more acceptible candidate. If interoperability between different OS's is /NOT/ important, then something like vtun would work out well. (We use vtun at the IMA.) PPTP is great for Windows machines, but if you want to VPN a Mac, something more standard like IPSec may be required. So, what exactly is needed for this VPN solution? -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020417/e5647774/attachment.pgp From florin at iucha.net Wed Apr 17 17:06:01 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 678 CBOS upgrade In-Reply-To: <20020417153702.S4452@real-time.com> References: <20020416221230.A2103@mail.el-swifto.com> <20020417123956.A10212@real-time.com> <20020417175222.GA439@iucha.net> <20020417153702.S4452@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020417220616.GC439@iucha.net> On Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 03:37:02PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Florin Iucha (florin@iucha.net): > > Ugh... a not running tftp server is a secure tftp server. And a not > > installed one is even more secure. > > > > Why do you need to have it secured? Install it, use it to upgrade CBOS > > and the uninstall it. > > Try explaining this to someone who installs redhat 7.2 with the most secure > option which disallows any initiate incoming port. Then walk them through > changing ipchains (7.2 uses ipchains by default). THEN install tftp, THEN > uninstalling tftp. Isn't the firewall in RedHat 7.x controlled via SysV init scripts? Just tell them to /etc/init.d/ipchains stop, run the server, stop the server, start the ipchains, remove the server... Anyway this is moot as Nate pointed out. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(I hope.) > > http://archives2.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2001-July/038737.html > > http://archives2.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2001-August/014920.html > > The first (evidently) shows how to tweak Minicom to upload the image > properly, and the second shows how to recover a trashed router. (Now > *that*, I've done, but only before I went Linux-only.) Thanks Jima. I tried the Xmodem method in the first link above. Worked like a charm, very first try. The solution was to change the minicom xmodem settings to use 1k blocks, with the following command-line switches: /usr/bin/sx -vv -k The '-vv' is for verbose; I just left that as is. I was surprised that minicom didn't require package lrzsz (which provides /usr/bin/sx et. al.) -- how was it doing xmodem before I installed lrzsz, I wonder? I truly find it amazing that there is so much variation in what works and what doesn't when updating Cisco router firmware. Using debian stable: minicom 1.82.1-1 & lrzsz 0.12.21-3, J From jack at jacku.com Wed Apr 17 22:29:01 2002 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] VPN on Linux In-Reply-To: <20020417192821.GC18610@wookimus.net> References: <200204171856.g3HIuhO23919@webmail.bussefamily.com> <20020417192821.GC18610@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <02041722294102.00731@geezer> On Wednesday 17 April 2002 14:28, Chad Walstrom wrote: > On Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 01:56:43PM -0500, Michael Busse wrote: > > Check out Smoothwall GPL. The VPN works great between me and several > > friends. Very easy to setup and maintain. > > > > http://www.smoothwall.org > > The website implies that the SmoothWall VPN module is an addon for the > Corporate version, not the GPL version. The cost difference is > substantial, especially when the request was for a low-end server. > Compare over $300 to $0. > > FWIW the VPN "module" of Smoothwall is FreeS/WAN (is the slash in the right spot?). Its available in the GPL version. The fork of Smoothwall (allegedly with less ego related issues) is IPCop. I'm running that but don't use the VPN module. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From wilson at isis.visi.com Thu Apr 18 12:13:01 2002 From: wilson at isis.visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Twin Cities Zope/Python Users Group meeting tonight Message-ID: Hey everyone, Just wanted to mention that the TCZPUG is meeting tonight at 7:00 at Henry Sibley H.S. in West St. Paul. See http://www.zope.org/Members/tczpug/ for more info. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From ben at sistina.com Thu Apr 18 12:13:48 2002 From: ben at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] crossover office initial review Message-ID: <20020418170432.GA1550@sistina.com> Hi all, I obtained a copy of crossover-office from http://www.codeweavers.com (A minnesota based company who is very active is wine devel and other things. What follows is an initial review of thier product. This is not a very good test of M$ Office. Perhaps someone with more Office savvy would like to give it a good thorough go. Read below for my impressions. I'm a person who uses office 10 to 15 times a week for viewing, mild editing, and periodically for document creation and should in no way be regarded as an Office Guru. For those who think this email too long and just want the bottom line: Codeweavers ROCKS! This app is good enough that i wouldn't hesistate to recommend it to anyone! It allows me to do what I need to with Office without hassle or compatibility issues, and appears to be quite stable! Send them MONEY! ;-) In fact I plan to present this to the linux users here at sistina and make an attempt to get the company to purchase licenses for us to use this at work. Great job Codeweavers! Keep up the good work. My System: PIII 600MHz 396 MB PC100 RAM ATA-66 Hard drive Matrox G400 Video Card RedHat 7.2 with latest updates (no ximian) Enlightenment 0.16 X 4.1.0 The install: I downladed the installer which is the standard codeweavers installer which uses the stuff that the good folks at loki made available. The app installs into the users home directory (Mine is on NFS so speed is affected somewhat by that) The installer app is a meager 6.7MB and when all is said and done and office is installed you can expect approximately 270MB in $HOME/cxoffice/. Once the crossover installer is done it fires up the office setup "wizard" which has options for installing some fonts. I opted to install them all as I know office like it's fonts. This went smoothly and I proceeded to mount my office2k cdrom and proceeded with the install. It went just as I expected with one notable yet humorous exception. At the very end of an office2k install on something other than win2k or higher, the installer requires a reboot. At this point I was prompted with a funny dialog that read (I wish i'd wrote it down) something to the effect of "Normally the office installer would require a reboot. But since you're running linux this is not necessary. You may answer yes or no to the next question, it really doesn't matter" I click o.k. and was prompted by "Windows now need to reboot to complete this operation" I clicked Yes just for grins. The installer whizzed and banged and soon I saw "Please wait while windows configures microsoft office" and just like that it was done. Then the codeweavers "wizard" fires up again to allow you to pick which mime type association you want to setup for your system. There's all sorts of non-office stuff in there like "audio/x-mp3" so I picked my way through and made sure to only associate the appropriate things ( Why I don't know because I don't use gnome or anything else ) At this point i have it installed, i'm still skeptical but read-on for more goodies. Actual program usage: Since I'm not running gnome I decided to check around in $HOME/cxoffice/bin for executables and was pleased to learn that I could execute "./winword" in that directory to start an app. There are symlinks for word, excel, powerpoint, outlook, the setup tool and some binaries and other miscelany. I promptly added them to my enlightenment menu. I then started every app in there one at a time to test for speed and was delighted that all the apps were reasonably fast and adequately usable. "Astonishing!" I thought and continued to poke and prod at the apps for a few hours looking for bugs and irritations and found only a few. The window manager had no problems resizing, moving, minimizing and overall managing the windows. The applications show up in the "window list" which allows "ALT-tab" movement between them. Overall I found all the office apps responsive and as they should be, with the exception of a few very MINOR things I'll outline below. Bugs and Irritations: I didn't do very thorough testing. Keep in mind I'm no office power user so alot of the functionality doesn't get touched by me. Below are a list of things I noticed were not quite as I'd expect. 1.) Dragging the menubars around causes some lag and lack of responsiveness. It took me several tries to get Words toolbars spread out on the top so all were visible. 2.) Fonts weren't as clean as I'd have hoped (See screenshot links below) I didn't do too much to fix this as it's adequate. I do have truetype support in X and as I say I did install all the fonts from the installer and have a good working set of TTF fonts that I use for X. 3.) CPU usage was high during window movement and manipulation. As to be expected. Running win32 apps under wine is a NON-trivial task and some additional CPU work is needed. I'll try all this again on my athlon box just to see the difference. I wanted to do this test on a low to mid-range system for objectivity sake. 4.) I'm a little bothered by the fact that with the two codeweavers crossover applications that I have, i have two seperate directories with two seperate "wine" versions installed in them. Granted they're very stripped down to provide only the neccesary binaries and libaries needed to meet the task at hand, still they add up. Add to this a normal wine install and a WineX install and that make 4 versions of wine. I wish there was a way to avoid this but alas that solution escapes me. I understand why they did it this way, and still applaud all thier hardwork. Screenshot Linkage: http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/xover_screens/ -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "If you love something set it free, if it doesn't come back to you hunt it down and set it on fire" -- George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From amy at real-time.com Thu Apr 18 14:13:00 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sawfish problem Message-ID: <20020418141213.R29860@real-time.com> I have a strange sawfish problem. I've got a RH 7.2 box running XFree86-4.1.0-3, gnome 1.2, and sawfish-0.38-11. As a particular user, when I try to run sawfish-ui, I get the following error: rep: error on folder /afs/arc/sko/Mh/drafts: Permission Denied (this also shows up in .xsession-errors) The /afs partition it is referring to is actually an afs partition. However, I have no idea why sawfish is looking there or trying to open that folder. The user's home directory is local to the system (not in AFS). I find no reference to this folder in the user's .sawfish dir and no .sawfishrc file exists. I've also grep'd through everything in /etc. While logged into the box as any other user, there are no sawfish problems. I've tried reinstalling sawfish but get the same results. I've also tried removing all the .gnome directories and logging in so they get recreated. Is there some other configuration file sawfish is looking at? Ideas? Thanks. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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As a particular user, > when I try to run sawfish-ui, I get the following error: > > rep: error on folder /afs/arc/sko/Mh/drafts: Permission Denied > (this also shows up in .xsession-errors) Well, I narrowed the problem down to a line in the user's .cshrc file, although I still don't understand it. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 524 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020418/0ce2b308/attachment.pgp From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Apr 18 16:20:03 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting April 18th 2002 In-Reply-To: ; from jacque@fruitioninc.com on Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 10:26:02AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20020418152102.N26261@techmonkeys.org> On Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 10:26:02AM -0500, Jacqueline Urick wrote: > Hi Folks: > > We'll be meeting at Patrick McGoverns, April 18th 2002 at 6pm. > I would attend, but this requires everyone to be 21+, my girlfriend is not. Would it be possible to pick places a little less.. anal, in the future? Or has this been brought up before? Are people <21 not welcome at the beer meetings? (McGoverns told me on the phone that nobody <21 is allowed 'upstairs', and nobody <21 is allowed to sit at a table where people are drinking) > Jacque -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Jore http://www.greentechnologist.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8vz7nfexLsowstzcRApAHAKCOQT+Mj5eHMNmAsAA2iDRL1W5NVgCfZ9sl CykMVFZ6S0OK8brt/y3KOx0= =Eipq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Apr 18 17:01:11 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting April 18th 2002 In-Reply-To: <20020418152102.N26261@techmonkeys.org> References: <20020418152102.N26261@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20020418220135.GA1627@sistina.com> On Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 03:21:02PM -0600, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: >not. Would it be possible to pick places a little less.. anal, in the >future? Or has this been brought up before? Are people <21 not welcome >at the beer meetings? a: it's a Beer Meeting NOT a LUG meeting 2: Noone expressly picked McGoverns because of the age limit. It wasn't an issue last time. 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TO TIM ****** Congratulations on finishing your college education. Good luck on finding a job. Be resigned that you may have to sell yourself to one of the Horned One's(tm) minions, namely Bill Gates afficianados, and work with Pure Evil(tm), namely Windoze products. THE QUESTIONS ************* On Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 01:41:36PM -0500, Tim Wheeler wrote: > 1) How did you get into this line of work? Was yours a typical career > path? What other paths did you consider? Let's see, I was a Biochemist student in college who had an addiction to the DEC 420 "dummy" terminals. The soft amber glow of the terminal brought to life a whole new world for me. Unfortunately, it was late in my education cycle and I resigned to finishing up my current major but took a year of Computer Science courses, just because. The summer following my graduation ('97), a school-mate of mine emailed to inform me that the company he was interning with was hiring full-time employees. He had dropped my name, and his boss was interested. A week later, I was programming in C and Informix I4GL on a DEC OS/F 1. After a year of programming, writing tech docs, and watching my company sell-out to Micro$oft on behalf of the customer's desires, the boss and I had a "falling-out" of sorts. I started looking for work again. Two months and a 30% pay cut later, I found myself as the Sr. Systems Engineer at a small company in Rogers, MN. The company was in sore disarray w/resp toward a network setup, computer support, and the year 2000 approaching. I agreed to work simply because I had a large auto loan payment to make, even though my heart was in programming. I learned in the trenches how difficult Microsoft products were to keep up and running, and saw the benefits of Linux first hand. We replaced a $3k firewall package with a 486/DX2 running Debian slink (I believe) with the new 2.2.x kernel and ipchains (Thanks, Kochie!). Shortly thereafter, my home machine was completely converted to a Linux box (no more dual-boot). About a year after I started, I learned through a TCLUG source that a job was opening up at a company called eBenX for C programmers on SunOS for Sybase. I applied immediately and told my employers that we needed to change our plans for hiring an assistant to hiring a replacement. I landed the job at eBenX and LTi hired Zibby to replace me. He was a little wet behind the ears (having just graduated from High School), but he stood up well to my questioning (inquisition) and seemed to be confident in solving standard tech problems. About six months passed at eBenX, and I was extremely unhappy with the political drama that was unfolding before me. Programming was great, but recognition was nil and innovation was frowned upon. TCLUG-JOBS heralded a position opening up at Real-Time Enterprises (Hi, gang!) for a Java developer. I had taken a course in Java programming while at LTi, so I gave it a shot. Six months of a great work experience at RTE came to an end, unfortunately, and I had to look for work elsewhere. I hopped on to another ISP (Hi, Mimbach!) for a short period through a reference from a friend (Hi, Kochie!). That didn't last long, however. Financial insecurity and the long commute killed my enthusiasm to work there, so I jumped on the chance to work elsewhere when it presented itself. Kochie (gnap!) was looking for a replacement at the IMA at the University of Minnesota. I was a little late getting my application in, but I ended up with the position. Kochie moved over to the Math department, and we all lived happily ever after. SUMMARY ******* All of the employers I've worked for have been through references from friends and acquaintences. Although, I'm not working as a programmer right now (*cry*), I am employed and working with Linux. ;-) Were I do to it all over again, I would have been much more frugal with my spending habits and saved up a nest-egg. Such a nest-egg would have allowed me to explore more employment opportunities as a programmer instead of having to work as a Systems administrator/manager (busywork). In fact, most of my financial faux paux's were because I wasn't used to being able to buy what I wanted when I wanted. However, no savings means stress when financial situations arise. Advice: save, save, save. (You want to ideally be able to pay your bills and living expenses for three months on cash reserve.) > 2) What is a typical entry-level position? What about starting salaries? What > advancement opportunities exist beyond the entry level? $30k-$40k is average starting, depending upon your background and experience. Expect a 5% increase in salary per year, and additional 2-5% upon receiving professional certificates or promotions. Don't be afraid to take risks and go for that "dream job", and DON'T SELL YOURSELF SHORT. The most common mistake I've made in the past is underselling myself. Know the company you're applying to and try to get a taste for what they're willing to spend. Shoot high. The potential employer will ALWAYS accept the LOWEST number you voice. DON'T say, "I'll take $25k to $30k" if you really want $30k. They'll offer you $25k, and you'll be grumpy. > 3) What advice would you offer me if I chose to pursue a career in this area? Have fun. Administrative jobs and tech support jobs may be easier to find than programming positions. Working with Micro$oft products will be much easier to find than working with *NIX products. > 4) What kind of education/training does one need to get into this field? Can > you recommend specific graduate programs? Just know your stuff. A saavy manager will question you based on technical knowledge. If you have a college degree and list those systems and software you're familiar with, that should be enough. Buzzwords work on Resume's, but technical knowledge works in interviews. Beware the large HR department. These people will interview you and grade you based on your resume and basic questions. If you answer "No" or "I don't know" to certain "outline" questions the IT manager handed down, you may not get in the door. Don't lie, but be careful how you answer. The best way to get into an interview is to know someone in the company or by getting a referral from someone who does. > 5) Is on-the-job training available/required? Probably. ;-) > 6) How are job openings publicized in this field? What trade or > professional journals do you read? If the job is publicized, you're going to have heavy competition. Take the referral route first, followed by "door-knocking". Lastly, look at ads. Find a company you want to work for and call them up. Be proactive toward your goal, not proactive toward the classifieds. > 7) How do most people get hired in your organization? Are some methods more > effective than others are? References, references, references. Remember the addage, "It's not what you know, it's who you know." All else fails, knock on doors. > 8) Do you offer internships? Lots of companys do. > 9) Are candidates for full-time employment considered from the intern pool? Absolutely. They're usually offered the job first if they're good at what they do. > 10) How competitive is the entry-level job market in the Minneapolis/St. Paul > area? Quite. Get truckin'! > 11) What is the employment outlook in this field? How is this industry doing? > What are the emerging jobs in this career area? Tech jobs will always be available. They may shift around a bit, but there will always be need for support and customization. Larger firms will more likely hire both. Smaller firms may hire either, depending upon their need. > 12) Whom would you recommend I contact for more information? Your friends, the companies you want to work for, us. GOOD LUCK! -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020418/bfd134d3/attachment.pgp From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Apr 18 17:07:21 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting April 18th 2002 In-Reply-To: <20020418152102.N26261@techmonkeys.org> References: <20020418152102.N26261@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20020418215933.GB25457@wookimus.net> On Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 03:21:02PM -0600, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > I would attend, but this requires everyone to be 21+, my girlfriend is > not. Would it be possible to pick places a little less.. anal, in the > future? NO! It is IMPOSSIBLE! How could you ask such a thing?! Um... YEAH! (I like the "anal" adjective you used. Doesn't really fit the problem, but certainly eye-catching.) I'm amazed that your girlfriend would be willing to listen to a bunch of old-farts talk about tech stuff all night. > Or has this been brought up before? Are people <21 not welcome at the > beer meetings? There is an implied "bier trinken" involved. Perhaps we should call it the TCLUG "Soda" meeting. More appropriately for Minnesota, a "Pop" meeting. No, that's way to close to "Poptix Meeting", and we don't to stroke your ego at all. We're not that gracious. > (McGoverns told me on the phone that nobody <21 is allowed 'upstairs', > and nobody <21 is allowed to sit at a table where people are drinking) I'm thinking McGovern's needs an enema. Anyone willing to administer the medicine? Here's the thing. There are some old farts here that could pass for your GF's father/guardian. If said guardian is expected to be there, McGovern's would have little to say about a <21 year old sitting at a table where others are drinking beer. Yes, they have the right to refuse service to whomever they choose for whatever reason. As a general rule, however, if you don't ask for alcoholic drinks, you don't get carded. Think about it from a business point of view. If thirty people want to visit your establishment. Some want to eat, some want to drink, and some want to just sit there, that's 30 patrons. 30 patrons X avg. $7 = $210 That's no little sum of money to shake a stick at. So, resolution. If we don't go "upstairs" and your GF doesn't ask for alcohol, everything should be OK. (That is unless your GF looks 12, in which case there would be some suspicious looks anyway.) If someone does ask, we'll just say that one of the old farts could pose as an Uncle or something. Second suggestion, invent an aging pill. Third suggestion, get another girlfriend! (J/K poptix's girlfriend) -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020418/15a5ef8f/attachment.pgp From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Apr 18 17:33:01 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting April 18th 2002 In-Reply-To: <20020418220135.GA1627@sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 05:01:35PM -0500 References: <20020418152102.N26261@techmonkeys.org> <20020418220135.GA1627@sistina.com> Message-ID: <20020418163422.O26261@techmonkeys.org> On Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 05:01:35PM -0500, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 03:21:02PM -0600, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > >not. Would it be possible to pick places a little less.. anal, in the > >future? Or has this been brought up before? Are people <21 not welcome > >at the beer meetings? > > a: it's a Beer Meeting NOT a LUG meeting > 2: Noone expressly picked McGoverns because of the age limit. It wasn't > an issue last time. The never checked. There were people unable to > imbibe and noone gave two shits. I didn't suspect that they had. > d: Of course they're gonna say that. You could be the police. In Texas... I wasn't aware that MN was this anal about alcohol. > > > > >(McGoverns told me on the phone that nobody <21 is allowed 'upstairs', > >and nobody <21 is allowed to sit at a table where people are drinking) > > So they sit at the very next table. What's the big hang up. we'll > probably occupy a couple of tables. Apparently 'upstairs' is off limits, downstairs tables is off limits if someone is drinking.. Maybe the person I spoke to on the phone was incorrect, in self defense here, I did ask on the channel, it was suggested that I call and ask =P > Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 From chrome at real-time.com Thu Apr 18 17:54:01 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] crossover office initial review In-Reply-To: <20020418170432.GA1550@sistina.com>; from ben@sistina.com on Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 12:04:32PM -0500 References: <20020418170432.GA1550@sistina.com> Message-ID: <20020418175458.C5603@real-time.com> thanks much for the review! very cool screenshots. :) > 4.) I'm a little bothered by the fact that with the two codeweavers > crossover applications that I have, i have two seperate directories > with two seperate "wine" versions installed in them. Granted they're > very stripped down to provide only the neccesary binaries and > libaries needed to meet the task at hand, still they add up. Add to > this a normal wine install and a WineX install and that make 4 > versions of wine. I wish there was a way to avoid this but alas that > solution escapes me. I understand why they did it this way, and still > applaud all thier hardwork. > > Screenshot Linkage: http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/xover_screens/ one good thing about giving each app its own copy of Wine, is that if/when the app fux0rs its registry settings; it only blows itself up. :) I don't know if apps under Wine commonly do this; but if any would, Office would likely be the worst. Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From tanner at real-time.com Thu Apr 18 19:39:00 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux AIX emulation? In-Reply-To: ; from josh@greentechnologist.org on Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 04:47:17PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20020418193936.K13815@real-time.com> Quoting Joshua b. Jore (josh@greentechnologist.org): > How's this for an odd problem. I've got a few gigs of files in Xerox > metacode format. I have some AIX software that supposedly has some > functions to convert those into something more useful like PostScript or > GIF. I have vanilla x86 machines (and an iMac) and no AIX. I'm hoping that > someone out there has an idea on where to go with this. Perhaps I can't > run these things on Linux but I figured that since Linux does all sorts of > crazy things it might do this as well. Google is your friend. http://www.mmm.ucar.edu/computing/doc/guide/ch_4.html#4.4.2 Just need to find gpr or what provides gpr. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Apr 18 21:31:02 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Come and get it! Mozilla 1.0 Release Candidate 1 Release Message-ID: <20020418213144.N13815@real-time.com> Mozilla 1.0 Release Candidate 1 Release Notes http://www.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla1.0/ -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Apr 18 22:07:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HOWTO build boot.img, bootnet.img for Redhat 7.2? Message-ID: <20020418220716.Q13815@real-time.com> Anyone seen a HOWTO for building redhat 7.2's boot.img and bootnet.img files? I'd like to customize them, but not finding much out there. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Apr 18 22:36:02 2002 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HOWTO build boot.img, bootnet.img for Redhat 7.2? In-Reply-To: <20020418220716.Q13815@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hey, On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > Anyone seen a HOWTO for building redhat 7.2's boot.img and bootnet.img files? > > I'd like to customize them, but not finding much out there. You can always mount the .img file as an ext2 filesystem on loopback and look at it... -Yaron -- From tanner at real-time.com Thu Apr 18 23:24:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] game pack? In-Reply-To: <20020413012633.GA6825@refried.org>; from nate@refried.org on Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 08:26:33PM -0500 References: <20020412182150.G17802@real-time.com> <20020413012633.GA6825@refried.org> Message-ID: <20020418232454.T13815@real-time.com> Quoting nate@refried.org (nate@refried.org): > On Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 06:21:50PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > PySol - Python based solitare game with just about ever variation of > solitare PySol this? https://sourceforge.net/projects/pysol/ It has not been worked on since Feb 10, 2000 or did I find the wrong thing. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Apr 18 23:37:00 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] game pack? In-Reply-To: <20020418232454.T13815@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 11:24:54PM -0500 References: <20020412182150.G17802@real-time.com> <20020413012633.GA6825@refried.org> <20020418232454.T13815@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020418233731.U13815@real-time.com> Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com): > Quoting nate@refried.org (nate@refried.org): > > On Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 06:21:50PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > PySol - Python based solitare game with just about ever variation of > > solitare > > PySol this? > > https://sourceforge.net/projects/pysol/ > > It has not been worked on since Feb 10, 2000 or did I find the wrong thing. Nevermind. Sheesh. http://www.oberhumer.com/opensource/pysol/ -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From feist at borg.umn.edu Fri Apr 19 00:48:00 2002 From: feist at borg.umn.edu (Chris Feist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HOWTO build boot.img, bootnet.img for Redhat 7.2? In-Reply-To: <20020418220716.Q13815@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 10:07:16PM -0500 References: <20020418220716.Q13815@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020419004817.A31082@borg.umn.edu> I ended up having to modify them awhile back and you can just mount the boot.img on the loopback device as a vfat filesystem. Inside there are the config files for the syslinux stuff, the kernel and an initial ramdisk? I did this with RH 6.2 boot images but I don't think they've changed that much. Chris On Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 10:07:16PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Anyone seen a HOWTO for building redhat 7.2's boot.img and bootnet.img files? > > I'd like to customize them, but not finding much out there. > > -- > Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri Apr 19 03:01:02 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [MXSFRCOCHA01-SA@EmersonProcess.com: ScanMail Message: To Sender, sensitive content found and action t aken.] Message-ID: <20020419020024.P26261@techmonkeys.org> For everyones enjoyment, perhaps we can zap this person from the list. ----- Forwarded message from System Attendant ----- Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:36:39 -0500 From: System Attendant To: "'Matthew S. Hallacy'" Subject: ScanMail Message: To Sender, sensitive content found and action t aken. X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.5 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_HAS_SPACES version=2.11 Trend SMEX Content Filter has detected sensitive content. Place = tclug-list@mn-linux.org; ; ; tclug-list@mn-linux.org Sender = Matthew S. Hallacy Subject = Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting April 18th 2002 Delivery Time = April 18, 2002 (Thursday) 17:36:37 Policy = Dirty Words Action on this mail = Quarantine message Warning message from administrator: Your e-mail was not delivered due to word(s) or phrase(s) that could be considered to be offensive or obscene. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 From estabroo at talkware.net Fri Apr 19 08:55:05 2002 From: estabroo at talkware.net (Eric Estabrooks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HOWTO build boot.img, bootnet.img for Redhat 7.2? References: <20020418220716.Q13815@real-time.com> <20020419004817.A31082@borg.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3CC01E4E.3020108@talkware.net> Chris Feist wrote: > I ended up having to modify them awhile back and you can just mount the > boot.img on the loopback device as a vfat filesystem. Inside there are the > config files for the syslinux stuff, the kernel and an initial ramdisk? I did > this with RH 6.2 boot images but I don't think they've changed that much. > > Chris To build on this. The initrd image can also be mounted. gunzip it first. To keep it the same size or smaller you might need to create a file in the initrd image filled with 0's that takes up the free space (this compresses real nice). The module file is a cpio archive. The easiest thing to do with it is to put your new module in place of an existing one rather than add a new one. Update the module list as well. Redhat has lots of information about the subject. Just go to their site and search for kickstart. kickstart is, in concept, very much like Sun's jumpstart for Solaris. It lets you set up custom images and package sets to install so that creating a web server is popping in the approriate boot floppy and letting it do it's business. Hope this helps, Eric From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Apr 19 10:09:37 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [MXSFRCOCHA01-SA@EmersonProcess.com: ScanMail Message: To Sender, sensitive content found and action t aken.] In-Reply-To: <20020419020024.P26261@techmonkeys.org> References: <20020419020024.P26261@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20020419150103.GA1191@sistina.com> On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 02:00:24AM -0600, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > >For everyones enjoyment, perhaps we can zap this person from the list. I second the motion. What tool. > > >----- Forwarded message from System Attendant ----- > >Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:36:39 -0500 >From: System Attendant >To: "'Matthew S. Hallacy'" >Subject: ScanMail Message: To Sender, sensitive content found and action t > aken. >X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) >X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.5 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_HAS_SPACES version=2.11 > >Trend SMEX Content Filter has detected sensitive content. > >Place = tclug-list@mn-linux.org; ; ; tclug-list@mn-linux.org >Sender = Matthew S. Hallacy >Subject = Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting April 18th 2002 >Delivery Time = April 18, 2002 (Thursday) 17:36:37 >Policy = Dirty Words >Action on this mail = Quarantine message > >Warning message from administrator: >Your e-mail was not delivered due to word(s) or phrase(s) that could be >considered to be offensive or obscene. > >----- End forwarded message ----- > >-- >Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified >http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "If you love something set it free, if it doesn't come back to you hunt it down and set it on fire" -- George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thank you- duncan From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Apr 19 12:03:01 2002 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] anyone heard of these guys? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA005D768BD@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> http://www.internetwk.com/security02/INW20020418S0007 Looks interesting, but the lack of performance numbers makes me kind of leary. Plus, you're kind of putting all of your eggs in one basket if this thing croaks. Jay From natecars at real-time.com Fri Apr 19 13:55:01 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PC Tachometer Message-ID: I remember some people talking about this a long time ago, check it out: http://www.compgeeks.com/details.asp?invtid=TACHOMETER Software is for windoze, but I'm sure that it wouldn't be too hard to hack something up for Linux. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From lbehrens at boolion.com Fri Apr 19 15:06:00 2002 From: lbehrens at boolion.com (Lee J. Behrens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [MXSFRCOCHA01-SA@EmersonProcess.com: ScanMail Message : To Sender, sensitive content found and action t aken.] Message-ID: >>For everyones enjoyment, perhaps we can zap this person from the list. >I second the motion. What tool. Maybe the guy subscribes from his work account. Some companies have a Big Brother in place to make sure its employees aren't contributing to a hostile workplace, and use the automated response to remind everyone B.B. is watching. Complain all you want. Dump him if you like. But somehow I don't think some of the recent posts are going to help him plead his case, that the automated system should not reply to a mailing list. Lee From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Apr 19 15:30:02 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [MXSFRCOCHA01-SA@EmersonProcess.com: ScanMail Message : To Sender, sensitive content found and action t aken.] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020419202959.GA1579@sistina.com> On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 03:04:05PM -0500, Lee J. Behrens wrote: >Complain all you want. Dump him if you like. But somehow I don't think some >of the recent posts are going to help him plead his case, that the automated >system should not reply to a mailing list. It should NOT respond to posts comming from a mailing list that he's authorized to be subscribed to..... This is draconic and attempts to impose thier rigid beliefs and policies on all of us. I for one have added them to my "moron" filter any and all mail from that domain destined for my address goes into the "naughty" box where it is forever misplaced. -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "If you love something set it free, if it doesn't come back to you hunt it down and set it on fire" -- George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020419/41e907a4/attachment.pgp From nassarsa at redconcepts.net Fri Apr 19 15:32:01 2002 From: nassarsa at redconcepts.net (Samir M. Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [MXSFRCOCHA01-SA@EmersonProcess.com: ScanMail Message : To Sender, sensitive content found and action t aken.] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1019249259.6092.94.camel@yafa> > Complain all you want. Dump him if you like. But somehow I don't think some > of the recent posts are going to help him plead his case, that the automated > system should not reply to a mailing list. I don't particularly care what people use to access the LUGML, but that game changes a lot when what they use affects other LUG members. That said, I don't really give a flying fuck what his jobs admin thinks of our ethics, morals or tone of voice. This is our mailing list not his admins. Our tone of voice, objectionable as it might seem, does not eat away resources of people unbidden. Everybody who recieves mail from the list-serv does so because she or he opted in. I don't recall the LUGML users opting in to having their mailbox spammed by some anal retentive corporation. Maybe we should make it policy that auto-responders get dumped after one direct warning... But since this person has not bothered to respond I say lets dump him anyway. If he wants to be on the list then he can disable the responder or find someone who'll give him a decent mail account. Samir M. Nassar RedConcepts.NET - Open Source, Public Service http://www.redconcepts.net From joelr at ellegon.com Fri Apr 19 15:42:01 2002 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [MXSFRCOCHA01-SA@EmersonProcess.com: ScanMail Message: To Sender, sensitive content found and action t aken.] In-Reply-To: <20020419020024.P26261@techmonkeys.org> References: <20020419020024.P26261@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20020419204129.4942E23295@msp-65-25-234-54.mn.rr.com> On Friday 19 April 2002 03:00 am, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > For everyones enjoyment, perhaps we can zap this person from the list. > Fucking A. :) From dane at sihope.com Fri Apr 19 16:50:01 2002 From: dane at sihope.com (Dan Empanger) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [MXSFRCOCHA01-SA@EmersonProcess.com: ScanMail Message: To Sender, sensitive content found and action t aken.] References: Message-ID: <002301c1e7ee$0b7479e0$0200000a@sihope.com> he should use his home computer for tclug. this will avoid the "dilbert" problem in large companies ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee J. Behrens" To: Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] [MXSFRCOCHA01-SA@EmersonProcess.com: ScanMail Message: To Sender, sensitive content found and action t aken.] > >>For everyones enjoyment, perhaps we can zap this person from the list. > > >I second the motion. What tool. > > Maybe the guy subscribes from his work account. Some companies have a Big > Brother in place to make sure its employees aren't contributing to a hostile > workplace, and use the automated response to remind everyone B.B. is > watching. > > Complain all you want. Dump him if you like. But somehow I don't think some > of the recent posts are going to help him plead his case, that the automated > system should not reply to a mailing list. > > Lee > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jspinti at dartdist.com Fri Apr 19 16:53:01 2002 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [MXSFRCOCHA01-SA@EmersonProcess.com: ScanMail Message : To Sender, sensitive content found and action t aken.] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1019253525.8089.215.camel@Dart-71_linux> >>For everyones enjoyment, perhaps we can zap this person from the list. >I second the motion. What tool. Why? Is Linux all of a sudden only open to people who are unable to keep a civil level of language? Is open source only open to people who are only willing to allow language that many find offensive? Perhaps the nay sayers about Linux and open source are right. We're a bunch of bigots who only want our own way. We talk about choice, but what we really mean is chose our way or the highway. How is that different than Microsoft or Sun or ... name your favorite vendor. If I understand correctly, those of you who are offended by someone being offended by your choice of language have already put filters in place. Yes, the auto-responder should not reply to mailing lists, but that is an issue for you to take up with the admin, not a real reason to bounce the person from the mailing list. Other mailing lists have the same problem, so far this is the only mailing list that I belong to that has suggested such draconian measures. -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 398 952-368-3255 fax From cgahlon at citilink.com Fri Apr 19 17:05:02 2002 From: cgahlon at citilink.com (Christopher Gahlon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [MXSFRCOCHA01-SA@EmersonProcess.com: ScanMail Message: To Sender, sensitive content found and action t aken.] References: <20020419020024.P26261@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <3CC094BF.44E84299@citilink.com> I'm not a very active member of this list but I do read almost every post and contribute when I can. I have learned a lot from all of you. I do agree that auto responders should not reply to mailing lists. A polite email to the user (that they could forwarded to their admin) explaining the problem might resolve the issue. Creating a hostile environment and intentionally triggering the auto responder may serve to drive away a potentially valuable new member. If the admin in question is logging blocked emails and he looks at the contents of any of them he may decide this list isn't worth the electrons that transport it and block the whole thing. I'm pretty sure I would if I didn't have previous experience with this list. It is hostile postings such as many following the original posting that give Linux the childish reputation that so many windows zealots have repeatedly pointed out to me. Maybe it's not the admin in question that needs to be whacked with a clue by four. Chris "Matthew S. Hallacy" wrote: > > For everyones enjoyment, perhaps we can zap this person from the list. > > ----- Forwarded message from System Attendant ----- > > Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:36:39 -0500 > From: System Attendant > To: "'Matthew S. Hallacy'" > Subject: ScanMail Message: To Sender, sensitive content found and action t > aken. > X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) > X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.5 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_HAS_SPACES version=2.11 > > Trend SMEX Content Filter has detected sensitive content. > > Place = tclug-list@mn-linux.org; ; ; tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Sender = Matthew S. Hallacy > Subject = Re: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting April 18th 2002 > Delivery Time = April 18, 2002 (Thursday) 17:36:37 > Policy = Dirty Words > Action on this mail = Quarantine message > > Warning message from administrator: > Your e-mail was not delivered due to word(s) or phrase(s) that could be > considered to be offensive or obscene. > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > -- > Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified > http://techmonkeys.org/~poptix GPG public key 0x01938203 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dieman at ringworld.org Fri Apr 19 17:20:03 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: sawfish problem In-Reply-To: <20020418155611.T29860@real-time.com> References: <20020418141213.R29860@real-time.com> <20020418155611.T29860@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020419051548.GB26859@ringworld.org> > Well, I narrowed the problem down to a line in the user's .cshrc file, > although I still don't understand it. What was the line? -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From dieman at ringworld.org Fri Apr 19 17:20:24 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Informational Interview (originally posted on tclug-jobs) In-Reply-To: <20020418184202.GD7464@wookimus.net> References: <200204181737.g3IHb6aF011809@mail.slc.edu> <20020418184202.GD7464@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20020419055244.GC26859@ringworld.org> I kind of aimed this mostly towards future admins. * Chad Walstrom [020418 17:11]: > $30k-$40k is average starting, depending upon your background and Depending on the work required, I allmost wouldn't ask for less than 40k. The living costs of the Twin Cities market have gone up over the last couple years with 'affordable' housing being $170k now. > > 4) What kind of education/training does one need to get into this field? Can > > you recommend specific graduate programs? > > Just know your stuff. A saavy manager will question you based on Ditto. Some people get hired purely because of their knowledge and experience. Don't let it bother you. Use your education to learn more, constantly. Don't feel bad if you spend part of a day just *learning*. Be sure that your boss understands that in non-critical situations that learning is allways a better idea than just doing it as fast as possible. If every day is critical, make them get you an assistant/peer. Brownout potential high. > > 5) Is on-the-job training available/required? > Probably. ;-) Get involved in the technology you work with. Find out if users of the technology have conferences. Look out for opportunites to network with people who have skills you don't that will allow you to ask them 'hard' questions. Look into USENIX/SAGE information especially if your working in the unix world, their newsletters have lots of cool tidbits about the unix world. Don't become an island user. Be weary of companies that wont send you out to a conference aligned with technology they use heavily and need you to support as well as possible. Be weary of people who critizise you for not knowing everything instantly. Be weary of companies that ask you to pay for all training with things directly related to your work. > > 6) How are job openings publicized in this field? What trade or > > professional journals do you read? > If the job is publicized, you're going to have heavy competition. Take Some places only hire out of the helpdesk sometimes for systems administration. Some places only end up hiring referrals. Network, network, network. (in the people sense) > > > 7) How do most people get hired in your organization? Are some methods more > > effective than others are? > References, references, references. Remember the addage, "It's not what > you know, it's who you know." All else fails, knock on doors. Agreed. Find smart people who think you are smart. > > 9) Are candidates for full-time employment considered from the intern pool? > Absolutely. They're usually offered the job first if they're good at > what they do. Ditto. Same goes for some places helpdesks. > > 10) How competitive is the entry-level job market in the Minneapolis/St. Paul > > area? > Quite. Get truckin'! Ask Zibby. > > 11) What is the employment outlook in this field? How is this industry doing? > > What are the emerging jobs in this career area? > > Tech jobs will always be available. They may shift around a bit, but Good. Watch out what technology you know and can support and do. It's like being on a treadmill, some technology falls off the end, you most likely dont want to be there with it when it happens. Good luck! -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From tanner at real-time.com Fri Apr 19 21:52:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] game pack? In-Reply-To: <20020412182150.G17802@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 06:21:50PM -0500 References: <20020412182150.G17802@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020419214951.Y13108@real-time.com> Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com): > I'm looking to start a thread on games for linux. Believe it or not, people do > not think there are games for linux. And for some reason that is a determent > to linux on the desktop. I took everyones suggestions and start the tclug-gamepak. It's a virtual package for install all the games people recommended. Just add this to your sources.list rpm ftp://ftp.castle.real-time.com/apt realtime/7.2 custom tclug Or if you want to get them the old-fashioned way ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/apt/realtime/7.2/i386/RPMS.tclug/ Right now, we got these games: frozen-bubble-0.9.2-realtime.1.i386.rpm lbreakout-010315-realtime.1.i386.rpm lbreakout2-2.2.2-realtime.1.i386.rpm nethack-3.4.0-realtime.2.i386.rpm nethack-doc-pdf-3.4.0-realtime.2.i386.rpm nethack-spoilers-3.4.0-realtime.2.i386.rpm pysol-4.80-realtime.1.noarch.rpm pysol-cardsets-4.40-realtime.2.noarch.rpm pysol-music-4.40-realtime.2.noarch.rpm pysol-sound-server-2.50-realtime.1.i386.rpm xmame-0.59.1-1.i386.rpm -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From epicenter at adelphia.net Sat Apr 20 21:17:00 2002 From: epicenter at adelphia.net (Deven Gallo) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UT Linux Problem Message-ID: <3CC128C7.4020506@adelphia.net> Hello, I am writing in regards to your problem with UT in Linux and the "No matching delta" error. I am having this issue too, but with Editor.u. When I try to run the game it says it failed to load 'Entry'. I'm wondering if you have found out what the problem is/was. Thanks, Deven Gallo From nassarsa at redconcepts.net Sun Apr 21 18:36:01 2002 From: nassarsa at redconcepts.net (Samir M. Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UT Linux Problem In-Reply-To: <3CC128C7.4020506@adelphia.net> References: <3CC128C7.4020506@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <1019357549.2052.36.camel@yafa> Deven, I've reinstalled everything from scratch. And after trying to install UT again it gave me the same error. So far I've reproduced the same error about 3 or 4 times, with at least 2 fresh installs of Red Hat 7.2. So far it is verkackt beyong recognition. I am giving up on UT on my Linux box. I'll stick to LBreakout2. Samir M. Nassar From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sun Apr 21 18:36:54 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UT Linux Problem In-Reply-To: <3CC128C7.4020506@adelphia.net> Message-ID: What are your system specs? vid card, processor, distribution, X etc etc etc -munir From buzzygirl at isd.net Sun Apr 21 18:37:13 2002 From: buzzygirl at isd.net (Jackie LaVaque) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Strange mouse problem in YDL 2.2 Message-ID: <012d01c1e96b$bcbb2b80$a58deed0@Jackie> Hi, I posted a message somewhat similar to this one a couple weeks ago, and someone followed up to my mail about a week ago with what I believe was a suggestion on how to identify and fix this problem. I can't remember who it was. I've been out of town for over a week now and not able to check any further follow-ups, so I'm trying this again... I've finally managed to install Yellow Dog Linux 2.2 on a Power PC 6500. Other than a couple of crashes and restarts during the installation process, it seemed to go okay, except for the fact that I have no working mouse when I'm in Linux. YDL 2.2 does not seem to recognize the standard Apple mouse (it's an older computer, perhaps 6-7 years old. What type of mouse is this? PS/2? ). I have not gotten any solid answers for this problem. Can anyone help me out by suggesting a way that I can get YDL to recognize my mouse? Do I have to do something in the config files? If so, I'll need to know exactly what to do in there, and how to find it, because I"m a total newbie to this stuff. Thanks in advance, Jackie -- "Linux: the choice of a GNU generation" From tanner at real-time.com Mon Apr 22 16:36:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] game pack REPOST Message-ID: <20020421190752.A21879@real-time.com> This is what I get for NOT cutting and pasting... Messed up on the apt entry. rpm ftp://ftp.real-time.com/linux/apt realtime/7.2/i386 tclug -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Mon Apr 22 16:38:03 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Strange mouse problem in YDL 2.2 In-Reply-To: <012d01c1e96b$bcbb2b80$a58deed0@Jackie> Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Apr 2002, Jackie LaVaque wrote: > (it's an older computer, perhaps 6-7 years old. What type of mouse is this? > PS/2? ). iirc it is called an ADB mouse, the cable looks exactly like an S-Video cable > I have not gotten any solid answers for this problem. Can anyone help me out > by suggesting a way that I can get YDL to recognize my mouse? Do I have to > do something in the config files? If so, I'll need to know exactly what to > do in there, and how to find it, because I"m a total newbie to this stuff. It has been a long ass time since i last installed YDL (must be over a year now) but since it is RedHat based you should be able to use mouseconfig to configure the mouse for console i never tried getting X to work on a mac so i am not sure on the exact line for X, i am sure spencer can help you more with that. -munir k From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Apr 22 16:39:18 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] UT Linux Problem In-Reply-To: <1019357549.2052.36.camel@yafa> References: <3CC128C7.4020506@adelphia.net> <1019357549.2052.36.camel@yafa> Message-ID: <20020422131320.GA10117@wookimus.net> On Sat, Apr 20, 2002 at 09:52:28PM -0500, Samir M. Nassar wrote: > I am giving up on UT on my Linux box. I'll stick to LBreakout2. It runs fine on my box. Make sure you're running the latest SDL libraries. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Apr 22 16:40:33 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wright County auction Message-ID: Saturday May 4 at 10 AM, it's the Wright County auction here in Buffalo. 486 laptops, pentium PCs (133 Mhz, 32 MB RAM is the nicest I think), 15" monitors. I think everything going on the auction will make a nice linux box or a PC for the kids. These PCs are sold without an OS, which we've found to sell a lot cheaper. There's always misc stuff of interest as well. Usually some token ring hardware, dot matrix printers, antique software, etc. Directions: Find Buffalo. It's at the public works building, on the corner of Hwy 25 and CR 138 about a mile north of town. -Brian From mikeflaherty at mn.rr.com Mon Apr 22 16:41:50 2002 From: mikeflaherty at mn.rr.com (Michael J Flaherty) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Strange mouse problem in YDL 2.2 In-Reply-To: <012d01c1e96b$bcbb2b80$a58deed0@Jackie> References: <012d01c1e96b$bcbb2b80$a58deed0@Jackie> Message-ID: <02d215627211642FE2@mail2.mn.rr.com> On Sunday 21 April 2002 02:35, you wrote: > YDL 2.2 does not seem to recognize the standard > Apple mouse (it's an older computer, perhaps 6-7 years old. What type of > mouse is this? PS/2? ). > ADB (Apple Desktop Bus) mouse, 1 button, teardrop shaped, right ? > I have not gotten any solid answers for this problem. Can anyone help me > out by suggesting a way that I can get YDL to recognize my mouse? Do I have > When does you mouse fail ? At the graphical login ? If so, then try this: At the graphical log-in screen, press control-option-F2. Log in as root. Type "Xconfigurator", without the quotes. Follow the steps that it walks you through, as it did during the install, except choose the *text* log-in. Use the "startx" command to start up X. Hopefully your mouse'll work fine from that point on. The ADB mouse is quite well supported, really. Did you say that it worked fine during the installation or did you you the text installer image ? MJF From buzzygirl at isd.net Mon Apr 22 18:36:01 2002 From: buzzygirl at isd.net (Jackie LaVaque) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Strange mouse problem in YDL 2.2 References: <012d01c1e96b$bcbb2b80$a58deed0@Jackie> <02d215627211642FE2@mail2.mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <001301c1ea55$bdbc7990$0f8eeed0@Jackie> > ADB (Apple Desktop Bus) mouse, 1 button, teardrop shaped, right ? Yep. > > When does you mouse fail ? At the graphical login ? Yep again. > > If so, then try this: > > At the graphical log-in screen, press control-option-F2. > > Log in as root. > > Type "Xconfigurator", without the quotes. > > Follow the steps that it walks you through, as it did during the install, > except choose the *text* log-in. What am I reinstalling with this- just the mouse, right? > > Use the "startx" command to start up X. Hopefully your mouse'll work fine > from that point on. The ADB mouse is quite well supported, really. Ok- will try it! > > Did you say that it worked fine during the installation or did you you the > text installer image ? Yes it did. It just freezes up in KDE or GNOME- nothing at all. Thanks! Jackie From buzzygirl at isd.net Mon Apr 22 20:22:01 2002 From: buzzygirl at isd.net (Jackie LaVaque) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Strange mouse problem in YDL 2.2 References: <012d01c1e96b$bcbb2b80$a58deed0@Jackie> <02d215627211642FE2@mail2.mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <000501c1ea65$50e5abb0$9a8ceed0@Jackie> > Type "Xconfigurator", without the quotes. > > Follow the steps that it walks you through, as it did during the install, > except choose the *text* log-in. > > Use the "startx" command to start up X. Hopefully your mouse'll work fine > from that point on. The ADB mouse is quite well supported, really. Michael- didn't work. Did not even give me any options to choose my mouse either. Now what? Jackie From mikeflaherty at mn.rr.com Mon Apr 22 20:39:00 2002 From: mikeflaherty at mn.rr.com (Michael J Flaherty) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Strange mouse problem in YDL 2.2 In-Reply-To: <000501c1ea65$50e5abb0$9a8ceed0@Jackie> References: <012d01c1e96b$bcbb2b80$a58deed0@Jackie> <02d215627211642FE2@mail2.mn.rr.com> <000501c1ea65$50e5abb0$9a8ceed0@Jackie> Message-ID: <0accb0641011742FE6@mail6.mn.rr.com> On Monday 22 April 2002 08:22, you wrote: > > Michael- didn't work. Did not even give me any options to choose my mouse > either. Now what? > Someone has dealt with that problem, undoubtedly. Ask the exact same question on one of these (YDL) lists below: MJF From buzzygirl at isd.net Mon Apr 22 21:06:01 2002 From: buzzygirl at isd.net (Jackie LaVaque) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Strange mouse problem in YDL 2.2 References: <012d01c1e96b$bcbb2b80$a58deed0@Jackie> <02d215627211642FE2@mail2.mn.rr.com> <000501c1ea65$50e5abb0$9a8ceed0@Jackie> <0accb0641011742FE6@mail6.mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <002801c1ea6b$8bf209a0$9a8ceed0@Jackie> I'll try those lists, Michael. Thanks for your help. Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael J Flaherty" To: Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Strange mouse problem in YDL 2.2 > On Monday 22 April 2002 08:22, you wrote: > > > > > Michael- didn't work. Did not even give me any options to choose my mouse > > either. Now what? > > > > Someone has dealt with that problem, undoubtedly. > > Ask the exact same question on one of these (YDL) lists below: > > > > > > MJF > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From buzzygirl at isd.net Mon Apr 22 21:47:00 2002 From: buzzygirl at isd.net (Jackie LaVaque) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] YDL 2.2 mouse problem- SOLVED. Message-ID: <00af01c1ea71$4a00b950$9a8ceed0@Jackie> Hi Michael, all: I got my no-mouse problem solved, finally. Made a couple of changes in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to remove the "dri" line in the line "Load", then switching the startup to console instead of X. I just did this: pico /etc/inittab and changed id:5:initdefault to id:3:initdefault, to start it in console. Wrote it out, and on the reboot, I did a startx at the command prompt and it booted into KDE, WITH THE MOUSE finally being detected this time. Weird. Why should changing the startup to console make a difference in the mouse being detected? Hm. Well, I've got a few more gray hairs in the process, but I'm sure getting an education in how Linux works. There's a possibility I may even understand it someday. Thanks for your input...now, time to play around with X and see what I've got here... Jackie From amy at real-time.com Tue Apr 23 14:01:01 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] changing hostname/X problems Message-ID: <20020423140111.M4339@real-time.com> When I change the hostname on my machine, and then try to open another window, I see this in my .xsession-errors: Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0 But when I do an xauth list, I see an entry for the new hostname (as well as the old hostname). I know restarting X will fix everything, but is there a way to make everything work without restarting X? Thanks! -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I found my problem. In addition to changing the hostname in /etc/hosts and /etc/sysconfig/network, I also used the hostname command to set the hostname. That's what made X mad. I don't understand why though. Questions: 1. What files, if any, does the hostname command write to? I couldn't find any it wrote to. 2. What programs, if any, look at the information the hostname command gives? 3. When would you want to use the hostname command? Thanks. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 524 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020423/cbd12c74/attachment.pgp From tanner at real-time.com Tue Apr 23 14:42:00 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDE .desktop files? Message-ID: <20020423144228.Y13108@real-time.com> I made a small change to the tclug-gamepak to include .desktop files for redhat gnome and ximian gnome. This puts a nice little entry into the Program->Games drop down. I'd like to do the same thing for KDE. Anyone willnig to volunteer? -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Apr 23 16:25:03 2002 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] changing hostname/X problems In-Reply-To: <20020423142547.N4339@real-time.com> Message-ID: To the best of my knowledge: | 1. What files, if any, does the hostname command write to? I couldn't | find any it wrote to. None. When setting the host name it reads the file specified with the -F/--file option. | 2. What programs, if any, look at the information the hostname command | gives? Shell scripts mostly. Compile stuff would most likely use the gethostname function directly. | 3. When would you want to use the hostname command? In a script to get the hostname. If you're changing the hostname, and on boot to set the hostname. Man hostname for other uses. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world." From seg at haxxed.mine.nu Tue Apr 23 19:26:01 2002 From: seg at haxxed.mine.nu (Callum Lerwick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] changing hostname/X problems References: <20020423140111.M4339@real-time.com> <20020423142547.N4339@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3CC5FC00.1010804@haxxed.mine.nu> > I found my problem. In addition to changing the hostname in /etc/hosts > and /etc/sysconfig/network, I also used the hostname command to set the > hostname. That's what made X mad. I don't understand why though. > Questions: /etc/sysconfig/network tells the init scripts what to set the hostname to on boot. Changing it there won't take effect until the init scripts are run. You have to set it yourself otherwise, which you figured out. I highly recommend reading through all init scripts even if you don't fully understand it. A true sysadmin knows his init scripts. In particular, /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit which is the first script run. > 1. What files, if any, does the hostname command write to? I couldn't > find any it wrote to. It writes to /proc/sys/kernel/hostname You don't even need hostname, you can write it yourself. echo "wang" >/proc/sys/kernel/hostname > 2. What programs, if any, look at the information the hostname command > gives? It merely tells the kernel what its hostname is, and the kernel tells everything else. > 3. When would you want to use the hostname command? Its already in your init scripts. From mcolivier at earthlink.net Tue Apr 23 22:42:00 2002 From: mcolivier at earthlink.net (Marc Olivier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Perl/MySQL/Windoz question Message-ID: <007a01c1eb43$c74b1f90$71d0fa43@mcowin2k> Hello. Newbie question. I have Perl and MySQL up and running on a Linux platform. I can connect to my database now on Linux. However, I also have ActiveState Perl on Windows NT at work, and MySQL, too. I can put stuff into the database at work, too, but I can't access it to get hardcopy printouts using Perl. There is a module, DBI that's missing, and apparently was not included on the CD that came with the book. I did some research on the web, and if I read things correctly, DBI on a Win32 platform is still experimental. The other manual on MySQL discussed doing API with C and PHP. I actually wanted to do everything under Perl right now (while it's still fresh in my mind, and I'm a lot farther with Perl than with either C and PHP is a complete mystery right now). Has anyone out there found DBD and DBI modules that work under Windows, especially Windows NT 4.0 and 4.5 (I'm not sure which, so I mentioned both)? Thanks. Marc From josh at greentechnologist.org Tue Apr 23 22:56:01 2002 From: josh at greentechnologist.org (Joshua b. Jore) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Perl/MySQL/Windoz question In-Reply-To: <007a01c1eb43$c74b1f90$71d0fa43@mcowin2k> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Oh sure. Some our production NT 4.0SP6a machines (also R5 Domino) use ActiveState perl, DBI, DBD and a custom Clarify module to speak to Oracle. It works so well that I had forgotten about it until you mentioned it. `ppm' or is that `ppd' is your friend. Go execute that from a console and exec `install DBI' and then whatever DBD is appropriate for you. Joshua b. Jore http://www.greentechnologist.org On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Marc Olivier wrote: > Hello. Newbie question. I have Perl and MySQL up and running on a Linux > platform. I can connect to my database now on Linux. However, I also have > ActiveState Perl on Windows NT at work, and MySQL, too. I can put stuff into > the database at work, too, but I can't access it to get hardcopy printouts > using Perl. There is a module, DBI that's missing, and apparently was not > included on the CD that came with the book. I did some research on the web, > and if I read things correctly, DBI on a Win32 platform is still > experimental. The other manual on MySQL discussed doing API with C and PHP. > I actually wanted to do everything under Perl right now (while it's still > fresh in my mind, and I'm a lot farther with Perl than with either C and PHP > is a complete mystery right now). Has anyone out there found DBD and DBI > modules that work under Windows, especially Windows NT 4.0 and 4.5 (I'm not > sure which, so I mentioned both)? > > Thanks. > Marc > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OpenBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8xjBVfexLsowstzcRAmbhAJ9Z4FWETbvZI79qm5d8bG1zCB2C0ACfUd9D IvwBen0OcllYHBatZcQimQ4= =czrS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mbrowne at attbi.com Tue Apr 23 23:33:01 2002 From: mbrowne at attbi.com (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Perl/MySQL/Windoz question References: <007a01c1eb43$c74b1f90$71d0fa43@mcowin2k> Message-ID: <002001c1eb49$2a8ce020$1e02a8c0@zippy> You need to pull in DBI and MySQL DBD from ppm. (Perl Package Manager - That is active state's version of cpan) Type ppm in a dos box the perl bin directory. (This bypasses certain issues with the way NT does paths) Use the search feature, look for DBI and DBD as keywords. I have been using this combo for a few months now with good results. I also added the CSV driver for in/exports. Recommended. Lastly, get the ODBC driver for windows. You can find this on the MySQL site, look in the windows section. I had to screw around a bit to get it installed, but when it all works right you can get into the database with Access. This has proven handy for quick data touch-ups and reports. Lastly, if you add Apache you have a good platform for serving data around the office. IMHO this knocks the socks off IIS and ASP. You mileage may vary. I have the same application running on x86 Linux and NT. It works about the same on either platform. Some things I learned when porting: Case matters on Linux, don't forget to "grant all" to the user in your connect string. Also, make you CGI script executable. The next task is to port my application to my SPARCstation 5 when it come in off a training loan. Write once, run everywhere; don't try this trick with Microsoft products. They hardly work on windows, and they don't work on Linux at all! Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Olivier" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 10:54 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Perl/MySQL/Windoz question Hello. Newbie question. I have Perl and MySQL up and running on a Linux platform. I can connect to my database now on Linux. However, I also have ActiveState Perl on Windows NT at work, and MySQL, too. I can put stuff into the database at work, too, but I can't access it to get hardcopy printouts using Perl. There is a module, DBI that's missing, and apparently was not included on the CD that came with the book. I did some research on the web, and if I read things correctly, DBI on a Win32 platform is still experimental. The other manual on MySQL discussed doing API with C and PHP. I actually wanted to do everything under Perl right now (while it's still fresh in my mind, and I'm a lot farther with Perl than with either C and PHP is a complete mystery right now). Has anyone out there found DBD and DBI modules that work under Windows, especially Windows NT 4.0 and 4.5 (I'm not sure which, so I mentioned both)? Thanks. Marc _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Tue Apr 23 23:34:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New game, updates Message-ID: <20020423233435.Q9889@real-time.com> Updated the tclug-gamepak. * Tue Apr 23 2002 Bob Tanner + tclug-gamepak-0.1-realtime.2 - new release of pysol - added grustibus to the gamepak -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From mcolivier at earthlink.net Wed Apr 24 00:15:02 2002 From: mcolivier at earthlink.net (Marc Olivier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #2103 - 17 msgs References: <200204240357.g3O3v3h22545@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <000401c1eb50$b2a73c60$4dd0fa43@mcowin2k> Thank you for the help. It worked. Now if I can only,... > Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 23:10:58 -0500 (CDT) > From: "Joshua b. Jore" > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Perl/MySQL/Windoz question > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Oh sure. Some our production NT 4.0SP6a machines (also R5 Domino) use > ActiveState perl, DBI, DBD and a custom Clarify module to speak to Oracle. > It works so well that I had forgotten about it until you mentioned it. > > `ppm' or is that `ppd' is your friend. Go execute that from a console and > exec `install DBI' and then whatever DBD is appropriate for you. > > Joshua b. Jore > http://www.greentechnologist.org > > On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Marc Olivier wrote: > > > Hello. Newbie question. I have Perl and MySQL up and running on a Linux > > platform. I can connect to my database now on Linux. However, I also have > > ActiveState Perl on Windows NT at work, and MySQL, too. I can put stuff into > > the database at work, too, but I can't access it to get hardcopy printouts > > using Perl. There is a module, DBI that's missing, and apparently was not > > included on the CD that came with the book. I did some research on the web, > > and if I read things correctly, DBI on a Win32 platform is still > > experimental. The other manual on MySQL discussed doing API with C and PHP. > > I actually wanted to do everything under Perl right now (while it's still > > fresh in my mind, and I'm a lot farther with Perl than with either C and PHP > > is a complete mystery right now). Has anyone out there found DBD and DBI > > modules that work under Windows, especially Windows NT 4.0 and 4.5 (I'm not > > sure which, so I mentioned both)? > > > > Thanks. > > Marc > > > > From duncan at sodatrain.com Wed Apr 24 09:41:41 2002 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (duncan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache (and other) setup questions for small hosting gig Message-ID: <1019659150.1516.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hello list- My company is considering getting hosting a few sites for some small businesses on an new webserver. I am going to be responsible for this box, and was wondering if anyone had any tips or suggestions on the best way to setup a RH box for a ISP-ish function. No dial up, nothing fancy. Just some email (will be using qmail/vpopmail) and website stuff (LAMP). We dont see a ton of customers (its not our core business). I was asking becuase i recall seeing mod_vhost or other isp oriented tools for apache (i beleve that allows you to just drop the files in a directory under the server root and reads it as a vhost w/o a restart/reload iirc.) Bandwidth useage per host would be cool... So, given that, any recomendations on ways to setup apache or modules/helpers to add onto apache for this kind of environment? Has anyone any experience with http://www.ispman.org/ ? Maybe the question is, "how do i best become a small hosting provider?" Thanks. From nassarsa at redconcepts.net Wed Apr 24 09:59:01 2002 From: nassarsa at redconcepts.net (Samir M. Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Four Seasons: Four Reasons to move to the Mediterranean: WAS: [TCLUG-JOBS] MN vs. year long summer & job inquiry Message-ID: <1019661305.3457.18.camel@yafa> > Minnesota is good for the soul. builds character. :) > not like those wussy places to live, where it's temperate weather > year-round. what's the point? how do you know when it's winter, if there's > no snow? When I resided in the the Bethlehem area (Palestine) I remember that we got as much rain as Berling in Germany did. Except we got pretty much all of it between December and March. The the average temperature is quite a bit higher there. For example we rarely if ever had temperatures that went below 32 degrees Fahrenheit, and summer temperatures can hit the mid-nineties and go with that. Even with the higher temperatures we had 4 seasons. Summer being the longest, with high temperatures running from May all the way till September/October. So for those people who want multiple seasons, and not have to deal with 6 months where mother nature can kill you without too much ado keep the Mediterranean in mind. If you guys work with an international Linux company (See? Not OT) and they want to send you to Jordan, Egypt, or Lebanon then I'd take that. All three countries have 'western' amenities and huge western populations. And at worst they are 4 hours away from Western Europe for "vacation". Samir M. Nassar RedConcepts.NET - Open Source, Public Service http://www.redconcepts.net From myok at ogzr.org Wed Apr 24 13:00:27 2002 From: myok at ogzr.org (Carl Patten) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Address book for Windows 98 and Linux? In-Reply-To: <20020419214951.Y13108@real-time.com> References: <20020412182150.G17802@real-time.com> <20020412182150.G17802@real-time.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020424125226.009f2750@mail.ogzr.org> I'd like to find an address book program that works the same under Windows 98 and Linux. I've been spoiled running Opera, Tribes 2 and bzflag under both operating systems. Any suggestions? I already have perl, python and Tcl/Tk installed on the Windows side if they're needed for the app. Thanks in advance, -- Carl Patten From scot at thinkunix.net Wed Apr 24 14:04:01 2002 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Address book for Windows 98 and Linux? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020424125226.009f2750@mail.ogzr.org>; from myok@ogzr.org on Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 12:59:20PM -0500 References: <20020412182150.G17802@real-time.com> <20020412182150.G17802@real-time.com> <20020419214951.Y13108@real-time.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020424125226.009f2750@mail.ogzr.org> Message-ID: <20020424140423.A9173@okane.localnet> wouldn't a web-based solution be better? access it from anywhere, no matter what OS you're running. phpgroupware has a pretty good address book. Carl Patten wrote: > I'd like to find an address book program that works the same under Windows > 98 and Linux. I've been spoiled running Opera, Tribes 2 and bzflag under > both operating systems. > > Any suggestions? I already have perl, python and Tcl/Tk installed on the > Windows side if they're needed for the app. > > Thanks in advance, > > -- > Carl Patten > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From myok at ogzr.org Wed Apr 24 14:42:25 2002 From: myok at ogzr.org (Carl Patten) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Address book for Windows 98 and Linux? In-Reply-To: <20020424140423.A9173@okane.localnet> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020424125226.009f2750@mail.ogzr.org> <20020412182150.G17802@real-time.com> <20020412182150.G17802@real-time.com> <20020419214951.Y13108@real-time.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020424125226.009f2750@mail.ogzr.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020424144030.00a91da0@mail.ogzr.org> At 02:04 PM 4/24/02 -0500, Scot Jenkins wrote: >wouldn't a web-based solution be better? access it from anywhere, no >matter what OS you're running. > >phpgroupware has a pretty good address book. I was hoping to find a stand-alone app because I don't have a spare box to dedicate as a web server. It's just me using it, and for just the one purpose. -- Carl Patten From sos at zjod.net Wed Apr 24 14:50:02 2002 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Address book for Windows 98 and Linux? In-Reply-To: from "Carl Patten" at Apr 24, 2002 12:59:20 PM Message-ID: <200204241951.g3OJp5M11069@zjod.net> Carl Patten wrote: > > I'd like to find an address book program that works the same under Windows > 98 and Linux. I've been spoiled running Opera, Tribes 2 and bzflag under > both operating systems. > > Any suggestions? I already have perl, python and Tcl/Tk installed on the > Windows side if they're needed for the app. > > Thanks in advance, > > -- > Carl Patten This is going to sound a little off the wall, but consider jpilot, the Palm organizer interface program for Linux. It uses the same format files as does the Palm organizer (from Palm) for Windows. But if you don't already have a Palm... it probably ain't worth buying the Palm software just to get a Windoze/Linux solution to this problem. From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Wed Apr 24 15:08:01 2002 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Address book for Windows 98 and Linux? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020424125226.009f2750@mail.ogzr.org> References: <20020412182150.G17802@real-time.com> <20020412182150.G17802@real-time.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020424125226.009f2750@mail.ogzr.org> Message-ID: <20020424150741.A5004@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 12:59:20PM -0500, Carl Patten wrote: > I'd like to find an address book program that works the same under Windows > 98 and Linux. Have you looked at netscape 4.X or mozilla? Both have address books whose data you should be able to share between Windows and Linux. I don't really use an address book, so this isn't much of a recomendation. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Apr 24 16:55:02 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] geek seeking housing Message-ID: <1019685267.1270.7.camel@3po.dhs.org> Well, crud, look at the date. June is coming up pretty fast, and I'll have to move somewhere else. More info here: http://3po.dhs.org/~mike/housing.html Sorry for the interruption, have a nice day. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ "My name is Linus Torvalds. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ You killed my process. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) Prepare to die." [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020424/449f9d54/attachment.pgp From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Apr 25 00:00:01 2002 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OpenOffice install hangs machine? Message-ID: Hey all, I've been trying to install the latest version of OpenOffice (642). It goes through most the install and then when it's "Saving local settings" my machine hangs. Very consistant - I've tried 5 times, with no other 'big' programs running. It looks like it's mostly installed, but when I try to run it all it says is "Aborting". I've tried minimal and full installations, and get the same result. Anyone else get this? -Yaron -- From tanner at real-time.com Thu Apr 25 00:03:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OpenOffice install hangs machine? In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 12:00:33AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20020425000321.B7177@real-time.com> Quoting Yaron (jethro@freakzilla.com): > Hey all, > > I've been trying to install the latest version of OpenOffice (642). It > goes through most the install and then when it's "Saving local settings" > my machine hangs. Very consistant - I've tried 5 times, with no other > 'big' programs running. > > It looks like it's mostly installed, but when I try to run it all it says > is "Aborting". > > I've tried minimal and full installations, and get the same result. Anyone > else get this? Running DRI? -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Apr 25 04:18:02 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pruning old rpms in a directory? Message-ID: <20020425041732.A9866@real-time.com> Anyone know of a tool that will "prune" old rpms from a directory? What I'm referring to is something that will cruise through the /usr/src/redhat/RPMS and /usr/src/redhat/SRPMS and remove all but the newest files. After build rpms, you end up with things like: kernel-2.4.7-10.i686.rpm kernel-2.4.7-19.i686.rpm kernel-2.4.9-21.i686.rpm kernel-2.4.9-31.i686.rpm kernel-2.4.18-22.i686.rpm Ditto in the SRPMS directory. So something that would remove all but the kernel-2.4.18-22.i686.rpm would be nice. From DACross at nwc.edu Thu Apr 25 07:25:01 2002 From: DACross at nwc.edu (DACross@nwc.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux in the Middle East -- WAS: Four Seasons: Four Reasons to move to the Mediterranean Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020425/7275f4d5/attachment.html From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Apr 25 08:10:34 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] shmfs (and friends?) Message-ID: <1019740173.13710.12.camel@3po.dhs.org> Is there any need for the shmfs filesystem to be mounted somewhere on a Linux box these days? I just realized that I haven't been using it on my system, with no ill effects (AFAIK). Also, I thought I'd seen that there was another filesystem that you could (or should) use instead. Is that true? -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Linux: Just do it. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020425/bcdcb122/attachment.pgp From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Apr 25 08:39:00 2002 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pruning old rpms in a directory? In-Reply-To: <20020425041732.A9866@real-time.com> References: <20020425041732.A9866@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020425083858.A6425@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 04:17:32AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Anyone know of a tool that will "prune" old rpms from a directory? What I'm > referring to is something that will cruise through the /usr/src/redhat/RPMS and > /usr/src/redhat/SRPMS and remove all but the newest files. I think that apt-move does what you want (and a lot more) on the deb side, but from a quick google search its unclear to me if any has bothered to port it to rpm yet or not [1]. 1. http://distro.conectiva.com.br/pipermail/apt-rpm/2000-December/000098.html -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org From nassarsa at redconcepts.net Thu Apr 25 08:53:02 2002 From: nassarsa at redconcepts.net (Samir M. Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux in the Middle East (longish) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1019743790.1894.73.camel@yafa> David, Actually in the Middle East it is less about enforcing copyright laws than politics. Hardware and software is expensive. 400 USD (cost for Office?) is more than a teachers salary in my country (BA/MA). Most people get their software bundled with the hardware when they buy it. If it breaks, they go back to the shop, pay a little fee and have it 'fixed' which very often just means a reinstall. Also, MSFT products usually take about a year longer to be released in the Middle East. That is mainly because they have a whole division I think that works just on making everything MSFT work in Arabic and Hebrew. And making sure that Right-to-left works just as it should. (it "works" on LTR Windows, but it's fscked up. Hancom Linux came out with an Arabic/Hebrew version of it's office apps. Already the Tunisian government is working with them. There are political considerations like American vs. Asian/Europea but the biggest problem is moolah. MSFT takes too much of your moolah. So is the Middle East ready to jump on the bandwagon? My answer would be yes. The real question is whether the bandwagon is ready for the Middle East. Hancom Linux realized that it had an Arabic population of 300 million (give or take) add to that about 6 million Israelis, and several handful of millions of Iranis and Turks and you have a market that eclipses the US. As far as jobs go. If you have the skills you'll find a job in the Middle East. There is a marked need for people trained in specialized fields. Being Westerner doesn't matter. In my little town of 15 thousand we have about 20 different languages spoken between non-Arab spouses and non-Arabs living there. This is not the norm, but every larger Middle Eastern city (especially capitals) will have a western contingent. If you get hired as an admin (any kind of OS) then most places probably won't stop you from changing the servers to Linux is my guess. They just need to make sure that they have someone to take care of things if you leave. Or someone who can figure it out. So my best bet would be to just customize a distro that has Arabic support (I know for sure Red Hat does) with an office app that has Arabic support and a bunch of games will all the dependencies figured out. Burn it and you can sell the CD's for 10 Shekels each. About 2.5 USD). As long as Red Hat comes out with a new version every six months or so you can keep selling CD's with the latest stuff. Any LUG could work with local techies in the Middle East. Even better, I could have 20 Linux geeks touring Egypt, Palestine, Lebanon and Jordan to survey the tech scene and get some much needed sun. It is not _that_ expensive if one goes as a group. We could even tailor the visit so that you get to meet with the relevant people at universities, Ministries. If you are willing to give presentations then prices come down a bit more. If there aren't enough people who want to go from this LUG then we could always extend the invitation to other LUGs. Samir M. Nassar From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Apr 25 09:21:01 2002 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OpenOffice install hangs machine? In-Reply-To: <20020425000321.B7177@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hey, On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > Running DRI? I am. -Yaron -- From clay at fandre.com Thu Apr 25 09:23:01 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Pruning old rpms in a directory? In-Reply-To: <20020425041732.A9866@real-time.com> References: <20020425041732.A9866@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020425142338.GC736@fandre.com> Perl is your friend. (NOTE: This is just an example I whipped up in a few minutes. I will not be responsible for any data loss) #!/usr/bin/perl $dir="."; opendir(DIR, $dir); while (defined ($_=readdir(DIR))) { next unless /rpm$/; /^(\w+)/; $pre=$1; $files{$pre}{$_}=$_; } foreach $pre (sort keys %files) { $num = scalar keys %{$files{$pre}}; foreach $file (sort keys %{$files{$pre}}) { $num--; print "Deleting $files{$pre}{$file}\n" if $num; unlink $files{$pre}{$file} if $num; } } On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > Anyone know of a tool that will "prune" old rpms from a directory? What I'm > referring to is something that will cruise through the /usr/src/redhat/RPMS and > /usr/src/redhat/SRPMS and remove all but the newest files. > > After build rpms, you end up with things like: > > kernel-2.4.7-10.i686.rpm > kernel-2.4.7-19.i686.rpm > kernel-2.4.9-21.i686.rpm > kernel-2.4.9-31.i686.rpm > kernel-2.4.18-22.i686.rpm > > Ditto in the SRPMS directory. > > So something that would remove all but the kernel-2.4.18-22.i686.rpm would be > nice. > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Thu Apr 25 10:59:00 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] shmfs (and friends?) In-Reply-To: <1019740173.13710.12.camel@3po.dhs.org> References: <1019740173.13710.12.camel@3po.dhs.org> Message-ID: <20020425155929.GA438@iucha.net> On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 08:09:33AM -0500, Mike Hicks wrote: > Is there any need for the shmfs filesystem to be mounted somewhere on a > Linux box these days? I just realized that I haven't been using it on > my system, with no ill effects (AFAIK). You could use that for /tmp. It's blazing fast. It will speed up compilations since the temporary files do not touch the disk. > Also, I thought I'd seen that there was another filesystem that you > could (or should) use instead. Is that true? Ramfs is dead. Long live (tmp|shm)fs. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I had the same problem and I removed DRI and it worked fine. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Apr 25 12:54:00 2002 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OpenOffice install hangs machine? In-Reply-To: <20020425120349.V15462@real-time.com> References: <20020425000321.B7177@real-time.com> <20020425120349.V15462@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1019757032.3cc841e8711b4@www.freakzilla.com> Hey, Quoting Bob Tanner : > I had the same problem and I removed DRI and it worked fine. Removed it from the kernel of X config? Can you bring it back once OpenOffice is installed? -Yaron -- From chuck at redroot.org Thu Apr 25 12:59:01 2002 From: chuck at redroot.org (Chuck Milam) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Red Hat History Message-ID: Anyone know when Redhat 6.0 was released? I've discovered some 6.0 boxes on my network, and I need to explain to some suits just how ancient and crufty these things are. -- Chuck Milam chuck@redroot.org From trammell at el-swifto.com Thu Apr 25 13:20:26 2002 From: trammell at el-swifto.com (John Joseph Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Red Hat History In-Reply-To: ; from chuck@redroot.org on Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 12:54:20PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20020425130504.A10710@mail.el-swifto.com> On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 12:54:20PM -0500, Chuck Milam wrote: > > Anyone know when Redhat 6.0 was released? I've discovered some 6.0 boxes > on my network, and I need to explain to some suits just how ancient and > crufty these things are. > The Redhat 6.0 support page suggests spring 1999. This sounds about right. http://www.redhat.com/support/resources/howto/rhl60.html -- johntrammell@yahoo.com | 78BA 706C C5F9 9321 E7C4 933B D063 907B A88E 924B Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org From jima at beer.tclug.org Thu Apr 25 13:22:42 2002 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Red Hat History In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Chuck Milam wrote: > Anyone know when Redhat 6.0 was released? I've discovered some 6.0 boxes > on my network, and I need to explain to some suits just how ancient and > crufty these things are. A bit of Googling led me to this: http://www.digistar.com/luclist/1999-04/0057.html Looks like it's just about three years old. Jima From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Apr 25 13:23:05 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OpenOffice install hangs machine? In-Reply-To: <1019757032.3cc841e8711b4@www.freakzilla.com> References: <20020425000321.B7177@real-time.com> <20020425120349.V15462@real-time.com> <1019757032.3cc841e8711b4@www.freakzilla.com> Message-ID: <20020425180754.GB9058@wookimus.net> Bob> I had the same problem and I removed DRI and it worked fine. Yaron> Removed it from the kernel of X config? Yaron> Can you bring it back once OpenOffice is installed? I believe he means remove the 'Load "dri"' line in the Module Section, and you can only find out by trying. It's interesting that OpenOffice tweaks X's DRI module. I wonder what's happening there. -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've discovered some 6.0 boxes > on my network, and I need to explain to some suits just how ancient and > crufty these things are. > > -- > Chuck Milam > chuck@redroot.org > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If > you are willing to give presentations then prices come down a bit more. sounds interesting. I'm willing to give it a try. I've never been farther than Greece, so I wouldn't mind seeing some more of the world. :) I've heard of experienced UNIX (HP/UX, Solaris) admins over in Saudi Arabia making $80,000 to $150,000/yr, +expenses; but I guessed that was for the big oil companies. (who might be starting to need linux people...). only downside of those jobs is that you have *no* social life for the length of the contract (no places to go, no one to go places with, and not much contact with your family... hey wait, this sounds like my life already!). also, they always seemed to be wanting 3-5 years {HP/UX,Solaris} experience; otherwise I would have gone for them. :) Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From chrome at real-time.com Thu Apr 25 15:08:15 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Red Hat History In-Reply-To: ; from chuck@redroot.org on Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 12:54:20PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20020425131154.B7548@real-time.com> On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 12:54:20PM -0500, Chuck Milam wrote: > > Anyone know when Redhat 6.0 was released? I've discovered some 6.0 boxes > on my network, and I need to explain to some suits just how ancient and > crufty these things are. look at the timestamps on some of the files on ftp.mn-linux.org ncftp ...en/os/i386/RedHat/RPMS > pwd ftp://ftp.real-time.com/linux/redhat/linux/6.0/en/os/i386/RedHat/RPMS/ keep in mind that the directory structure changed since 6.0 was released. so the timestamps on the directories aren't an accurate gauge. -rw-r--r-- 1 tanner tanner 440762 Apr 19 1999 zsh-3.0.5-10.i386.rpm Carl Soderstrom. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From tanner at real-time.com Thu Apr 25 15:24:42 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OpenOffice install hangs machine? In-Reply-To: <1019757032.3cc841e8711b4@www.freakzilla.com>; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 12:50:32PM -0500 References: <20020425000321.B7177@real-time.com> <20020425120349.V15462@real-time.com> <1019757032.3cc841e8711b4@www.freakzilla.com> Message-ID: <20020425151958.W7177@real-time.com> Quoting Yaron (jethro@freakzilla.com): > Hey, > > Quoting Bob Tanner : > > > I had the same problem and I removed DRI and it worked fine. > > Removed it from the kernel of X config? X config > Can you bring it back once OpenOffice is installed? Didn't try. I'm running non-DRI. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Apr 25 15:25:07 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OpenOffice install hangs machine? In-Reply-To: <20020425180754.GB9058@wookimus.net>; from chewie@wookimus.net on Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 01:07:54PM -0500 References: <20020425000321.B7177@real-time.com> <20020425120349.V15462@real-time.com> <1019757032.3cc841e8711b4@www.freakzilla.com> <20020425180754.GB9058@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20020425152104.X7177@real-time.com> Quoting Chad Walstrom (chewie@wookimus.net): > Bob> I had the same problem and I removed DRI and it worked fine. > Yaron> Removed it from the kernel of X config? > Yaron> Can you bring it back once OpenOffice is installed? > > I believe he means remove the 'Load "dri"' line in the Module Section, > and you can only find out by trying. It's interesting that OpenOffice > tweaks X's DRI module. I wonder what's happening there. I didn't track it down. Typical half-hack-make-it-work thing. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Apr 25 15:25:29 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Red Hat History In-Reply-To: ; from chuck@redroot.org on Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 12:54:20PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20020425152219.Y7177@real-time.com> Quoting Chuck Milam (chuck@redroot.org): > > Anyone know when Redhat 6.0 was released? I've discovered some 6.0 boxes > on my network, and I need to explain to some suits just how ancient and > crufty these things are. > Gotta love that they have been around for 3 years and nobody knows about them or had to deal with them much! -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From chuck at redroot.org Thu Apr 25 15:41:16 2002 From: chuck at redroot.org (Chuck Milam) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Red Hat History In-Reply-To: <20020425152219.Y7177@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > Gotta love that they have been around for 3 years and nobody knows about > them or had to deal with them much! This is an international location--my suspicion is they were recently installed off the latest media they could get their hands on over in this particular part of the world. -- Chuck Milam chuck@redroot.org From chuck at redroot.org Thu Apr 25 16:03:37 2002 From: chuck at redroot.org (Chuck Milam) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sentinel Build Errors Message-ID: Anyone have any exprience with Sentinel? http://www.packetfactory.net/Projects/sentinel/ E-mail to the contact address bounces. Nice. I'm trying to build sentinel on a Red Hat Linux 7.2 machine (kernel 2.4.16). I had to modify the Makefile to point to all the silly header locations that Red Hat uses: CFLAGS=-Wall -I. -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/include -I/usr/include/pcap -I/usr/include/pcap/net `libnet-config --defines` This helped get me further along in the build process, but now I'm dying here: gcc -Wall -I. -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/include -I/usr/include/pcap -I/usr/include/pcap/net `libnet-config --defines` -c -o detect.o detect.c detect.c: In function `thread_init': detect.c:124: parse error before `{' detect.c:125: parse error before `{' make: *** [detect.o] Error 1 I've tried to build using both: gcc version 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.1 2.96-98) -and- Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-redhat-linux/3.0.4/specs Configured with: ../configure --prefix=/usr --mandir=/usr/share/man --infodir=/usr/share/info --enable-shared --enable-threads=posix --disable-checking --host=i386-redhat-linux --with-system-zlib Thread model: posix gcc version 3.0.4 (Red Hat Linux 7.2 3.0.4-1) I can't see anything wrong with the lines in detect.c (I'm not a real C programmer, so I may be missing something obvious): void thread_init() { tag = 0; th_mutex = PTHREAD_MUTEX_INITIALIZER; local_mutex = PTHREAD_COND_INITIALIZER; } Any ideas or hints here? Thanks! -- Chuck Milam chuck@redroot.org From florin at iucha.net Thu Apr 25 18:27:01 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sentinel Build Errors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020425232734.GC438@iucha.net> On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 04:02:08PM -0500, Chuck Milam wrote: > > > gcc -Wall -I. -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/include -I/usr/include/pcap > -I/usr/include/pcap/net `libnet-config --defines` -c -o detect.o > detect.c > detect.c: In function `thread_init': > detect.c:124: parse error before `{' > detect.c:125: parse error before `{' > make: *** [detect.o] Error 1 > [snip] > > void thread_init() > { > tag = 0; > th_mutex = PTHREAD_MUTEX_INITIALIZER; > local_mutex = PTHREAD_COND_INITIALIZER; > } > Grep /usr/include for thread_init. It might be already defined inline somewhere. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020425/21f3a4ae/attachment.pgp From HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu Thu Apr 25 18:34:01 2002 From: HOEFFNER at dcmir.med.umn.edu (HOEFFNER@dcmir.med.umn.edu) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sentinel Build Errors Message-ID: <020425183419.2460b672@dcmir.med.umn.edu> Hi Usually a parse error means some form of format problem. With the C languages, it tends to be mismatched braces or parentheses or a missing ";". In this case, the problem will be before the section you cut out, it's just that the compiler finally got confused here. Mismatched braces would be my guess here, though that would only be a starting point. Ed Hoeffner 1-271 BSBE 312 Church St. SE Mpls, MN 55455 hoeffner@dcmir.med.umn.edu 612-625-2115 612-625-2163 fax On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 04:02:08PM -0500, Chuck Milam wrote: >=20 >=20 > gcc -Wall -I. -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/include -I/usr/include/pcap=20 > -I/usr/include/pcap/net `libnet-config --defines` -c -o detect.o=20 > detect.c > detect.c: In function `thread_init': > detect.c:124: parse error before `{' > detect.c:125: parse error before `{' > make: *** [detect.o] Error 1 >=20 [snip] >=20 > void thread_init() > { > tag =3D 0; > th_mutex =3D PTHREAD_MUTEX_INITIALIZER; > local_mutex =3D PTHREAD_COND_INITIALIZER; > } >=20 Grep /usr/include for thread_init. It might be already defined inline somewhere. florin --=20 "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 --32u276st3Jlj2kUU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8yJDmNLPgdTuQ3+QRApKsAJ9rNa1gpMeo97hnNWBluHWGhhEbzQCfZiGx pNdKt+XO9ugV/VXijYNqTYk= =ZgsI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --32u276st3Jlj2kUU-- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mcolivier at earthlink.net Thu Apr 25 20:09:01 2002 From: mcolivier at earthlink.net (Marc Olivier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] a Perl question Message-ID: <000501c1ecc0$aea32d10$0fbffb43@mcowin2k> Hello. I'm trying to get keyboard input to work in a Perl script on Windows platform. The snippet that's giving me trouble is ================================================= # turn off echoing but don't interfere with STDIN # open (TTY, "/dev/tty") or die "Cannot Open terminal\n"; ## -------------------------------------------------------- ## "Cannot Open Terminal" comes up when this code runs under Windows ## --------------------------------------------------------- system ("stty -echo < /dev/tty"); print STDERR "Enter Password: "; chomp ($password=); system ("stty echo < /dev/tty"); close (TTY); print STDERR "\n"; ==================================================== This doesn't work on Windows, only Linux. Does someone have a better way to address the keyboard in Perl? From rechpj at bitstream.net Thu Apr 25 20:23:00 2002 From: rechpj at bitstream.net (Paul Rech) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] a Perl question References: <000501c1ecc0$aea32d10$0fbffb43@mcowin2k> Message-ID: <3CC8ABF9.3090005@bitstream.net> Marc Olivier wrote: > Hello. > I'm trying to get keyboard input to work in a Perl script on Windows > platform. The snippet that's giving me trouble is > ================================================= > # turn off echoing but don't interfere with STDIN > # open (TTY, "/dev/tty") or die "Cannot Open terminal\n"; > ## -------------------------------------------------------- > ## "Cannot Open Terminal" comes up when this code runs under Windows > ## --------------------------------------------------------- > system ("stty -echo < /dev/tty"); > print STDERR "Enter Password: "; > chomp ($password=); > system ("stty echo < /dev/tty"); > close (TTY); > print STDERR "\n"; > ==================================================== > > This doesn't work on Windows, only Linux. Does someone have a better way to > address the keyboard in Perl? use Term::ReadKey; ReadMode('noecho'); $password = ReadLine(0); See Perl Cookbook page 530. Paul R From tanner at real-time.com Thu Apr 25 21:04:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Red Hat History In-Reply-To: ; from chuck@redroot.org on Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 03:36:54PM -0500 References: <20020425152219.Y7177@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020425210458.N7177@real-time.com> Quoting Chuck Milam (chuck@redroot.org): > > On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > Gotta love that they have been around for 3 years and nobody knows about > > them or had to deal with them much! > > This is an international location--my suspicion is they were recently > installed off the latest media they could get their hands on over in this > particular part of the world. > What's an uptime say? -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Apr 25 23:34:00 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Editing Desktop entries under GNOME? Message-ID: <20020425233512.Z7177@real-time.com> Anyone know how to edit desktop entries under GNOME? I know you can drop a .desktop file into /usr/share/gnome/apps/ for instance and it shows up. I also know you can create a directory in /usr/share/gnome/apps/, but you have to edit the .order file for it to show up. Are there any tools in GNOME to make editing these files easier? Like I want to add an entry to the .order file at the 5th position. A tool would be nice to do this. Or is it time to get out perl and do it myself? -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Apr 25 23:57:01 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Editing Desktop entries under GNOME? In-Reply-To: <20020425233512.Z7177@real-time.com> References: <20020425233512.Z7177@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1019797054.2364.5.camel@3po.dhs.org> On Thu, 2002-04-25 at 23:35, Bob Tanner wrote: > Anyone know how to edit desktop entries under GNOME? [snip] > Are there any tools in GNOME to make editing these files easier? I'm not sure if it handles .order files, but there's gmenu, the Gnome menu editor (Programs->Settings->Menu Editor on my Debian box) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Life would be easier if I / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ had the source code. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, - Jared From chuck at redroot.org Fri Apr 26 10:02:22 2002 From: chuck at redroot.org (Chuck Milam) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Red Hat History In-Reply-To: <20020425210458.N7177@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > What's an uptime say? Don't have access to these machines, so I can't tell ya. -- Chuck Milam chuck@redroot.org From tanner at real-time.com Fri Apr 26 10:35:01 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake images aren't miscellaneous In-Reply-To: ; from jared-linux@mn.rr.com on Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 08:04:44AM -0500 References: <20020425233512.Z7177@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020426103547.M15462@real-time.com> Quoting Jared Burns (jared-linux@mn.rr.com): > Can the Mandrake images on Gladiator please be moved into their own directory? The other directories are packages as well iso images. We only have the mandrake iso images, so they are in the misc_iso directory. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From natecars at real-time.com Fri Apr 26 11:23:01 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake images aren't miscellaneous In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, Jared Burns wrote: > Can the Mandrake images on Gladiator please be moved into their own directory? > > Right now we have: > /apt > /debian > /misc_iso > /openoffice > /redhat > /slackware > /ximian > /yellowdog > > Mandrake images are in the "misc_iso" dir with a bunch of other stuff. > These images should be in /mandrake. I know some of you don't like > Mandrake, but it is a valid (and fairly popular) distribution. It's not because we don't like Mandrake, it's just because we don't mirror the whole thing, and the ISO's are not updated in an automated fashion, so they are classified as 'misc' on Gladiator. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From houle at citilink.com Fri Apr 26 19:14:00 2002 From: houle at citilink.com (Terry Houle) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installing on Win 2k box Message-ID: I have been trying to get Linux on my main system as a dual boot. Having a heck of a time it does not seem to recognize the cdrom and start to boot from there as it should. I have switched the cdr to the first position in the BIOS. I also tried to make a boot floppy but that did not work either. I have a second hard drive on there for the Linux install. Any simple suggestions? Terry Houle From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Apr 26 19:26:01 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installing on Win 2k box In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1019867219.14414.62.camel@3po.dhs.org> On Fri, 2002-04-26 at 19:11, Terry Houle wrote: > I have been trying to get Linux on my main system as a dual boot. Having a > heck of a time it does not seem to recognize the cdrom and start to boot > from there as it should. [snip] > Any simple suggestions? If you have a DOS boot disk with CD-ROM drivers on it, there should be a batch file somewhere on the CD that boots into Linux using the `loadlin' utility. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I have a speech impediment / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ -- my foot. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Having a > heck of a time it does not seem to recognize the cdrom and start to boot > from there as it should. I have switched the cdr to the first position in > the BIOS. > I also tried to make a boot floppy but that did not work either. I have a > second > hard drive on there for the Linux install. > Any simple suggestions? -- -scot From clarson at iaxs.net Fri Apr 26 19:41:01 2002 From: clarson at iaxs.net (Chester Larson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dual boot box Message-ID: <200204270042.g3R0gdm22260@minerva.iaxs.net> Where do I find info on how to setup a dialup connection on a dual boot box Box: R.H.7.0 and Win95 Chet From tanner at real-time.com Sat Apr 27 03:12:36 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RIP Enhydra, JBoss? Message-ID: <20020427031111.N30093@real-time.com> Lutris pulled the plug on Enhydra :-( and Enhydra.org (the community). So, it's now abandon-ware. The guys at webobjects picked it up, but my experience has been once a company burns the open source community, the community looks for another solution (long story here, about Lutris and their EPL license). Anyway the Webobject poeple said with the addition of Enhydra to Jonas they could be a JBoss killer. So, I went and looked at JBoss. From what I can gather JBoss is an open source attempt at a J2EE platform. Anyone used JBoss under Linux? Care to comment? -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From florin at iucha.net Sat Apr 27 09:24:49 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RIP Enhydra, JBoss? In-Reply-To: <20020427031111.N30093@real-time.com> References: <20020427031111.N30093@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020427140531.GA870@iucha.net> On Sat, Apr 27, 2002 at 03:11:11AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Anyone used JBoss under Linux? > Care to comment? I have used it for a sample application and it works great. If you get the JBoss + Tomcat archive you can even deploy EARs. I was using it on a low end machine (PPro/200, 128 MB RAM) only for deployment and it was surprisingly responsive. They are a bit light on the sample side but you can/should pay for documentation... Good luck, florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The guys at webobjects picked it up, but my experience has > been once a company burns the open source community, the community looks for > another solution (long story here, about Lutris and their EPL license). > > Anyway the Webobject poeple said with the addition of Enhydra to Jonas they > could be a JBoss killer. So, I went and looked at JBoss. From what I can gather > JBoss is an open source attempt at a J2EE platform. > > Anyone used JBoss under Linux? > Care to comment? > > -- They should have put the word out that they wanted to drop it, so that the community and the project could have been handed off gracefully. From esper at sherohman.org Sat Apr 27 10:50:01 2002 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] System lockups Message-ID: <20020427100724.A6051@sherohman.org> I've got a machine here which is consistently locking solid after 1.5 to 2 hours uptime and I'm looking for possible explanations. Shortly after the last installfest, I threw a wireless NIC into it and ran it for a month before shutting it down on the basis that I hadn't gotten around to actually setting anything up on it. Last weekend, I decided that I had the time to get back to it, so I brought it back up and had it die after an hour and a half. I've tried going back to the two previous kernels that I'd run on it pre-wireless and these also lock up in the same timeframe. Given that one of those kernels has previously run for 31 days and another for 5 days without incident, I don't think it's a kernel issue. To rule out memory problems, I installed memtest86 and that ran just fine for approximately 30 hours without detecting any errors before I shut it down. The hardware is an Abit KT7A-RAID motherboard with a 900 MHz Athlon, 256M RAM, dual 40G Maxtor drives (connected to the mobo's RAID controller, but using the kernel's md RAID), 2 eepro100 and 1 dwl-500 NICs, a 40x Acer CDROM, and a random ISA video card that I had laying around. When it locks up, it just stops dead - no errors are logged at any time, the keyboard and NICs are totally non-responsive (it won't even unblank the screen or toggle caps/num/scroll lock). It basically acts like the CPU overheated and shut down, but I would expect heat problems to have also affected memtest86. Just in case, I've tried underclocking it, but the CPU stubbornly runs at 900MHz no matter what I tell the BIOS. Any suggestions for what other than heat may have killed this box's reliability? Is it probably heat even though memtest86 is fine? (And, if so, why is it overheating now but not a month ago? The room it's in is still around the same temperature.) -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From xpoverby at attbi.com Sat Apr 27 10:55:59 2002 From: xpoverby at attbi.com (Paul Overby) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] configuring ssh Message-ID: <3CCAC2D4.2070009@attbi.com> ssh loging fails. I thought this would be simple but I have not been able to get it working and have not found any useful insights from man pages or web searchs.I would like to know if there is some way I can get additional messages that might help me determine the cause of the problem. I have become somewhat exhausted with the trial an error approach. It appears authentication fails on the server side but the only messages in the log are: sshd[2407]: debug1: Forked child 2426. sshd[2426]: refused connect from 192.168.1.2 (192.168.1.2) I also tried starting from the console > sshd -d -D but get the same messages. Below are messages and config information if someone wants to take a closer look at it. THIS IS WHAT I GET ON THE CLIENT ssh -v -l poverby 192.168.1.2 debug1 Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config debug1: Applying options * debug1: Seeding random number generator debug1: Rhosts Authentication disabled, originating port will not be trusted. debug1: rstore_uid debug1: ssh_connect: getuid 500 geteuid 0 anon 1 debug1: Connecting to 192.168.1.2 [192.168.1.2] port 22. debug1: temporarily_use_uid: 500/500 (e=0) debug1: restore_uid debug1: temporarily_use_uid: 500/500 (e=0) debug1: restore_uid debug1: connection established debug1: read PEM private key done: type DSA debug1: read PEM private key done: type RSA debug1: identity file /home/poverby/.ssh/identity type 0 debug1: identity file /home/poverby/.ssh/id_rsa type 1 debug1: identity file /home/poverby/.ssh/id_dsa type 2 ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host debug1: Calling cleanup 0x8063370(0x0) THIS WHAT I GET ON THE SERVER Apr 26 18:40:23 Pyro sshd[2407]: debug1: Forked child 2426. Apr 26 18:40:23 Pyro sshd[2426]: refused connect from 192.168.1.2 (192.168.1.2) regardless of what I specify for LogLevel in sshd_config. THE FOLLOWING MESSAGES APPEAR WHEN STARTING SSHD Apr 26 19:19:05 Pyro sshd[2652]: debug1: Bind to port 22 on 192.168.1.2. Apr 26 19:19:05 Pyro sshd[2652]: Server listening on 192.168.1.2 port 22. Apr 26 19:19:05 Pyro sshd[2652]: debug1: Bind to port 22 on 127.0.0.1. Apr 26 19:19:05 Pyro sshd[2652]: Server listening on 127.0.0.1 port 22. Apr 26 19:19:05 Pyro sshd[2652]: Generating 768 bit RSA key. Apr 26 19:19:05 Pyro sshd[2652]: RSA key generation complete. I HAVE THE FOLLOWING KEY FILES CREATED BY USER poverby ~/.ssh/identity ~/.ssh/id_rsa ~/.ssh/id_dsa AND THE CORRESPONDONG .pub FILES COPIED TO ~/.ssh/authorized_keys I HAVE THE FOLLOWING KEY FILES CREATED BY root /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key AND THE CORRESPONDING .pub FILES COPIED TO /etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts with 192.168.1.2 PRECEEDING THE ENTRIES /etc/ssh/ssh_config LOOKS LIKE THIS Host * ForwardX11 yes /etc/ssh/sshd_config LOOKS LIKE THIS Port 22 ListenAddress 127.0.0.1 ListenAddress 192.168.1.2 HostKey /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key HostKey /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key HostKey /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key ServerKeyBits 768 LoginGraceTime 600 KeyRegenerationInterval 3600 PermitRootLogin no IgnoreRhosts yes StrictModes yes X11Forwarding yes X11DisplayOffset 10 PrintMotd yes KeepAlive yes SyslogFacility AUTHPRIV LogLevel DEBUG2 RhostsAuthentication no RhostsRSAAuthentication no HostbasedAuthentication no RSAAuthentication yes PasswordAuthentication yes PermitEmptyPasswords no Subsystem sftp /usr/libexec/openssh/sftp-server -- Paul Overby xpoverby@attbi.com From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Apr 27 12:37:15 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] System lockups In-Reply-To: <20020427100724.A6051@sherohman.org> References: <20020427100724.A6051@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <1019925416.14414.811.camel@3po.dhs.org> On Sat, 2002-04-27 at 10:07, Dave Sherohman wrote: > I've got a machine here which is consistently locking solid after 1.5 > to 2 hours uptime and I'm looking for possible explanations. > > Shortly after the last installfest, I threw a wireless NIC into it and > ran it for a month before shutting it down on the basis that I hadn't > gotten around to actually setting anything up on it. Last weekend, > I decided that I had the time to get back to it, so I brought it back > up and had it die after an hour and a half. Have you tried running the system with the wireless NIC removed? I had an old ethernet card once (an NE2000 clone) that would lock up the system on occasion when the network was on moderate to high load. I have a suspicion it didn't handle collisions well, but it may have been throwing weird interrupts or something. I ended up going out and buying a new NIC, but it may have just been a driver issue (though I seem to recall that it would crash OS/2 as well.. yes, this was many moons ago) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Syntactic sugar causes / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ cancer of the semicolon. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020427/7db93aa1/attachment.pgp From sextus at visi.com Sat Apr 27 12:39:51 2002 From: sextus at visi.com (Michael Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] System lockups In-Reply-To: <20020427100724.A6051@sherohman.org> References: <20020427100724.A6051@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20020427165407.GA95428@visi.com> ON Sat, Apr 27, 2002 at 10:07:24AM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote: > I've got a machine here which is consistently locking solid after 1.5 > to 2 hours uptime and I'm looking for possible explanations. > > Any suggestions for what other than heat may have killed this box's > reliability? Is it probably heat even though memtest86 is fine? (And, > if so, why is it overheating now but not a month ago? The room it's in > is still around the same temperature.) movement: If you've moved the box recently, open it up and check all cable connections and seatings. heat: You don't have onboard thermometers, do you? Check for fan failure, obstruction of airflow by cables, dust buildup, etc. You can probably rule out any heat-related problems by opening up the case and blowing a box fan through it. power: Replace the power supply. Put the machine on a UPS if available. other components: Start swapping out parts, including memory. -- Michael From xpoverby at attbi.com Sat Apr 27 13:27:25 2002 From: xpoverby at attbi.com (Paul Overby) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] configuring ssh RESOLVED References: <3CCAC2D4.2070009@attbi.com> Message-ID: <3CCB06B4.1090509@attbi.com> Thanks to anyone who took their precious time to check my problem but I figured it out. Request was being rejected because of the hosts.deny file even though I had ssh in the hosts.allow file. What's the correct specification for hosts.allow. -- Paul Overby xpoverby@attbi.com phone: 651-681-8084 From tanner at real-time.com Sat Apr 27 15:22:05 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RIP Enhydra, JBoss? In-Reply-To: <20020427140531.GA870@iucha.net>; from florin@iucha.net on Sat, Apr 27, 2002 at 09:05:31AM -0500 References: <20020427031111.N30093@real-time.com> <20020427140531.GA870@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20020427152228.V30093@real-time.com> Quoting Florin Iucha (florin@iucha.net): > On Sat, Apr 27, 2002 at 03:11:11AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > Anyone used JBoss under Linux? > > Care to comment? > > I have used it for a sample application and it works great. If you get > the JBoss + Tomcat archive you can even deploy EARs. > > I was using it on a low end machine (PPro/200, 128 MB RAM) only for > deployment and it was surprisingly responsive. > > They are a bit light on the sample side but you can/should pay for > documentation... What is the presentation tier? JSP? Servlet? I'm most concerned about how you make the pretty gui :-) The one thing I really like about enhydra is the ability to process html pages as DOM objects. IMHO, it far superior to JSP. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From rechpj at bitstream.net Sat Apr 27 15:53:19 2002 From: rechpj at bitstream.net (Paul Rech) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dual boot box References: <200204270042.g3R0gdm22260@minerva.iaxs.net> Message-ID: <3CCB09CA.4020506@bitstream.net> Chester Larson wrote: > Where do I find info on how to setup a dialup connection on a dual boot box > Box: R.H.7.0 and Win95 > > Chet > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > Whether your machine is dual boot or not, does not change how you connect. This is a good place to start: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Modem-HOWTO.html There is also a doc on ISP connecting there. But it's a bit old. Or go to the Barnes and Noble at Har Mar for many books on Linux. Paul R From rechpj at bitstream.net Sat Apr 27 15:55:19 2002 From: rechpj at bitstream.net (Paul Rech) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] System lockups References: <20020427100724.A6051@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <3CCB0CAD.9080400@bitstream.net> Dave Sherohman wrote: > I've got a machine here which is consistently locking solid after 1.5 > to 2 hours uptime and I'm looking for possible explanations. > > When it locks up, it just stops dead - no errors are logged at any time, > the keyboard and NICs are totally non-responsive (it won't even unblank > the screen or toggle caps/num/scroll lock). It basically acts like the > CPU overheated and shut down, but I would expect heat problems to have > also affected memtest86. Just in case, I've tried underclocking it, > but the CPU stubbornly runs at 900MHz no matter what I tell the BIOS. > > Any suggestions for what other than heat may have killed this box's > reliability? Is it probably heat even though memtest86 is fine? (And, > if so, why is it overheating now but not a month ago? The room it's in > is still around the same temperature.) > > Did you try turning off all power saving settings? Paul R From joel at joelschneider.net Sat Apr 27 15:55:42 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RIP Enhydra, JBoss? In-Reply-To: <20020427152228.V30093@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Sat, Apr 27, 2002 at 03:22:28PM -0500 References: <20020427031111.N30093@real-time.com> <20020427140531.GA870@iucha.net> <20020427152228.V30093@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020427154752.A17775@joelschneider.net> On Sat, Apr 27, 2002 at 03:22:28PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > What is the presentation tier? JSP? Servlet? I'm most concerned about how you > make the pretty gui :-) I think JBoss uses Tomcat to handle JSPs, etc. JBoss itself is more of an EJB container. Should be possible to integrate Tomcat with Enhydra's XMLC, if needed. The Jakarta-Struts framework might be another reasonable alternative. -- Joel Schneider International Society for the Enhancement of Eyesight joel@joelschneider.net http://www.i-see.org/ From esper at sherohman.org Sat Apr 27 16:47:07 2002 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] System lockups In-Reply-To: <1019925416.14414.811.camel@3po.dhs.org>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Sat, Apr 27, 2002 at 11:36:55AM -0500 References: <20020427100724.A6051@sherohman.org> <1019925416.14414.811.camel@3po.dhs.org> Message-ID: <20020427162437.C6051@sherohman.org> On Sat, Apr 27, 2002 at 11:36:55AM -0500, Mike Hicks wrote: > Have you tried running the system with the wireless NIC removed? Huh. Looks like that could be it - I pulled the wireless card and how have just over 3 hours uptime. I figure I'll leave it overnight, just to be sure, before I mess with it much more. Now that I think about it, near the end of the previous 31-day uptime, I popped the PCMCIA wireless card out of the PCI-to-CardBus adapter since I hadn't gotten the wireless drivers set up on my laptop yet and wanted to close off that avenue of potential access for drive-by crackers. Does it seem reasonable that the problem may have been caused by the card not reseating properly when I put it back in? -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From buzzygirl at isd.net Sat Apr 27 17:11:48 2002 From: buzzygirl at isd.net (Jackie LaVaque) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TAR and installing new software. Message-ID: <003b01c1ee36$45eab960$b58eeed0@Jackie> Howdy, A friend gave me a CD with some very cool astronomical charting/graphing software on it, called "Xephem". I would like to install it on my Mac-based Yellow Dog Linux system, but unfortunately, friend gave me a one-line cryptic sentence as installation instructions ("untar in root) and I don't know what to do next. I have no experience installing software in Linux and friend is unavailable this weekend for installation instructions. Can someone tell me what to do to get this thing installed? Basically I need to know what to type after I put the CD in the drive... from what I understand, "tar" is sort of like a "zip" deal, where the program needs to be "untarred" (unzipped) to install... but I don't know how to "untar" anything. I'm a real green newbie to Linux... can anyone help? Thanks! Jackie -- "All of us are in the gutter, but some of us are looking up at the stars." - Oscar Wilde From david.blevins at visi.com Sat Apr 27 18:25:37 2002 From: david.blevins at visi.com (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RIP Enhydra, JBoss? In-Reply-To: <20020427031111.N30093@real-time.com> Message-ID: <002e01c1ee41$4686aa40$7907e80a@Miles> Bob, Can you post a link to your references on this one? At enhydra.org, it says ObjectWeb (not WebObjects) is picking up Enhydra. My EJB server, OpenEJB, has been shipping with WebObjects since version 5.1, so I'm extremely interested where this news came from. David Bob Tanner wrote: > > Lutris pulled the plug on Enhydra :-( and Enhydra.org (the > community). So, it's now abandon-ware. The guys at webobjects > picked it up, but my experience has been once a company burns > the open source community, the community looks for another > solution (long story here, about Lutris and their EPL license). > > Anyway the Webobject poeple said with the addition of Enhydra > to Jonas they could be a JBoss killer. So, I went and looked > at JBoss. From what I can gather JBoss is an open source > attempt at a J2EE platform. > > Anyone used JBoss under Linux? > Care to comment? > > -- > Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sat Apr 27 19:12:47 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TAR and installing new software. In-Reply-To: <003b01c1ee36$45eab960$b58eeed0@Jackie> Message-ID: On Sat, 27 Apr 2002, Jackie LaVaque wrote: > Can someone tell me what to do to get this thing installed? Basically I need > to know what to type after I put the CD in the drive... from what I > understand, "tar" is sort of like a "zip" deal, where the program needs to > be "untarred" (unzipped) to install... but I don't know how to "untar" > anything. I'm a real green newbie to Linux... can anyone help? tar is the tape archiver, what is does is put the selected files in a tar file(.tar) or remove them from a tar file tar can be used in conjunction with compression programs like compress, bzip2 and most commonly gzip to untar a file you usually have to uncompress it first, but most implementations (including GNU tar) have special flags that do it for you on the fly first you have to find out how it was compressed if it was compressed using gzip the file will usually have the extention .tar.gz and sometimes .tgz to uncompress this file to the current dir type tar -xzvf /path/to/filename.tar.gz if it was done using bzip2 the extension will be .tar.bz2 and the command to extract it is tar --bzip2 -xvf /path/to/filename.tar.bz2 if in the unlikely event it was compressed using compress use uncompress first on the file then tar -zvf keep in mind that unlike zip tar files usually create a directory to put the files in so you do not need to untar/compress in a seperate directory as for the installation... you are best of reading the INSTALL and the README files in the newly created directory as build instructions can vary widely -munir From foeclan at visi.com Sat Apr 27 19:13:11 2002 From: foeclan at visi.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TAR and installing new software. References: <003b01c1ee36$45eab960$b58eeed0@Jackie> Message-ID: <3CCB3AD1.5080105@visi.com> If they said 'untar in root', they probably meant to copy the .tar file to the / directory: cp filename / then untar it: tar -xvf filename and it will then extract it into some subdirectories. Since it's not a packaged file (rpm, tgz, deb, etc), then you may want to take note of which files were extracted and where they ended up, in case you need to uninstall it later. Michael Vieths Foeclan@Visi.com Jackie LaVaque wrote: >Howdy, > >A friend gave me a CD with some very cool astronomical charting/graphing >software on it, called "Xephem". I would like to install it on my Mac-based >Yellow Dog Linux system, but unfortunately, friend gave me a one-line >cryptic sentence as installation instructions ("untar in root) and I don't >know what to do next. I have no experience installing software in Linux and >friend is unavailable this weekend for installation instructions. > >Can someone tell me what to do to get this thing installed? Basically I need >to know what to type after I put the CD in the drive... from what I >understand, "tar" is sort of like a "zip" deal, where the program needs to >be "untarred" (unzipped) to install... but I don't know how to "untar" >anything. I'm a real green newbie to Linux... can anyone help? > >Thanks! > >Jackie >-- >"All of us are in the gutter, but some of us are looking up at the stars." - >Oscar Wilde > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From esper at sherohman.org Sat Apr 27 19:13:54 2002 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TAR and installing new software. In-Reply-To: <003b01c1ee36$45eab960$b58eeed0@Jackie>; from buzzygirl@isd.net on Sat, Apr 27, 2002 at 04:55:38PM -0500 References: <003b01c1ee36$45eab960$b58eeed0@Jackie> Message-ID: <20020427190409.D6051@sherohman.org> On Sat, Apr 27, 2002 at 04:55:38PM -0500, Jackie LaVaque wrote: > A friend gave me a CD with some very cool astronomical charting/graphing > software on it, called "Xephem". I would like to install it on my Mac-based > Yellow Dog Linux system, but unfortunately, friend gave me a one-line > cryptic sentence as installation instructions ("untar in root) and I don't > know what to do next. I have no experience installing software in Linux and > friend is unavailable this weekend for installation instructions. tar is the standard *nix Tape ARchiver. It takes lots of small files and turns them into one big file. Modern tars also allow you to tell them to pipe the data through a compression program so you can archive and compress in a single step. The tarfile that your friend gave you is probably named something like either Xephem.tar, Xephem.tar.gz, or Xephem.tgz. If it ends in .tar, the command to dearchive it is tar xvf Xephem.tar If it ends in .tar.gz or .tgz, then it has also been compressed using gzip and the command to decompress and dearchive is tar xvzf Xephem.tgz In both cases, the 'v' is optional; it stands for 'Verbose' and causes tar to print the name of each file in the archive as it is extracted. I always use it, but nothing will break if you don't. Other compression formats are possible, such as .Z for the original unix 'compress' command's format or .bz2 (or .bzip2) for (surprise, surprise) bzip2. The relevant switches can be found by reading `man tar`. gzip is the most common, though, so that's the only one I've mentioned above. Finally, if you have the disk space, I would recommend first untarring the file in a scratch directory so you can take a look at what it's going to install and verify that it won't disrupt your system too badly. Depending on how adventurous you feel, you can then either untar it again in the root directory or manually move files from the scratch directory to permanent homes in more stable sections of the filesystem. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From dieman at ringworld.org Sat Apr 27 20:54:06 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: RIP Enhydra, JBoss? In-Reply-To: <20020427031111.N30093@real-time.com> References: <20020427031111.N30093@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020427152553.GC4002@ringworld.org> > Anyone used JBoss under Linux? One of the debian maintainers worked on a jboss package, i think. dono if he finished it. he mentioned upstream as pretty damn annoyingly unforgiving and not willing to incorprate sane changes. But, this is secondhand. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From tanner at real-time.com Sat Apr 27 20:54:38 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RIP Enhydra, JBoss? In-Reply-To: <002e01c1ee41$4686aa40$7907e80a@Miles>; from david.blevins@visi.com on Sat, Apr 27, 2002 at 06:14:25PM -0500 References: <20020427031111.N30093@real-time.com> <002e01c1ee41$4686aa40$7907e80a@Miles> Message-ID: <20020427203225.F875@real-time.com> Quoting David Blevins (david.blevins@visi.com): > Bob, > > Can you post a link to your references on this one? At enhydra.org, it > says ObjectWeb (not WebObjects) is picking up Enhydra. > > My EJB server, OpenEJB, has been shipping with WebObjects since version > 5.1, so I'm extremely interested where this news came from. Ahh, my dslexia shows. It's ObjectWeb. Sorry. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Sat Apr 27 20:56:59 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tclug-mu-gamepak? Message-ID: <20020427203826.G875@real-time.com> I'd like to thank everyone for their suggestions for the tclug-gamepak. It's been downloaded 211 times this month. I've gotten several more requests to add additional games. Most of these additions are for games that do not have .spec files so it's taking a little longer. Some of the games do not fall into the "productivity waster" category. They are more list multi-user games, which are kind of hard to pause and came back to. So, I thought I'd start the tclug-MU-gamepak (MU = multiuser). I'm looking for suggestions. Thanks. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From david.blevins at visi.com Sat Apr 27 21:45:20 2002 From: david.blevins at visi.com (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RIP Enhydra, JBoss? In-Reply-To: <20020427203225.F875@real-time.com> Message-ID: <003f01c1ee5b$a98317e0$7907e80a@Miles> No problem. You scared the living daylights out of me for a moment there. :) David Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting David Blevins (david.blevins@visi.com): > > Bob, > > > > Can you post a link to your references on this one? At > enhydra.org, > > it says ObjectWeb (not WebObjects) is picking up Enhydra. > > > > My EJB server, OpenEJB, has been shipping with WebObjects since > > version 5.1, so I'm extremely interested where this news came from. > > Ahh, my dslexia shows. It's ObjectWeb. Sorry. > -- > Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-> linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From florin at iucha.net Sun Apr 28 02:39:21 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] tclug-mu-gamepak? In-Reply-To: <20020427203826.G875@real-time.com> References: <20020427203826.G875@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020428065926.GA1000@iucha.net> On Sat, Apr 27, 2002 at 08:38:26PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > So, I thought I'd start the tclug-MU-gamepak (MU = multiuser). I'm looking for > suggestions. Capture the Gladiator? Heh heh, florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020428/89bbc43a/attachment.pgp From clay at fandre.com Sun Apr 28 12:18:20 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG Monthly Meeting Message-ID: <20020428164855.GA28008@fandre.com> Next TCLUG Meeting When: Saturday, May 4th, 2002, noon - 2pm Topic: Ethan Galstad will be talking about Nagios, formerly know as Netsaint. Nagios is a host and service monitor designed to inform you of network problems before your clients, end-users or managers do. It has been designed to run under the Linux operating system, but works fine under most *NIX variants as well. The monitoring daemon runs intermittent checks on hosts and services you specify using external "plugins" which return status information to Nagios. When problems are encountered, the daemon can send notifications out to administrative contacts in a variety of different ways (email, instant message, SMS, etc.). Current status information, historical logs, and reports can all be accessed via a web browser. Where: University of Minnesota Room EE-CS 3-180 http://onestop.umn.edu/Maps/EECSci/index.html Hope to see you there! Also... Twin Cities Linux Users Group is proud to sponsor Doc Searls, Senior Editor, Linux Journal discussing "Why Linux Is Still The Best Operating System For Business" on Thursday, May 9th at the Strictly Business Solutions Expo in Minneapolis. Registration is FREE for Doc's keynote at http://www.StrictlyBusinessExpo.com anytime before the expo. The TCLUG will have a booth at the expo both days, so come and hang out with your fellow TCLUG'ers. From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sun Apr 28 12:25:18 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apt4rpm + rpm4.0.4 In-Reply-To: <20020421190752.A21879@real-time.com> Message-ID: i tried installing the realtime apt rpms today but it had a problem because i am using rpm 4.0.4 rather than 4.0.3... is this a permanant issue? will i have to downgrade to install apt? this was mentioned before on irc but no answers were given, -munir From clay at fandre.com Sun Apr 28 13:00:08 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Monthly Meeting Message-ID: <20020428164855.GA28008@fandre.com> Next TCLUG Meeting When: Saturday, May 4th, 2002, noon - 2pm Topic: Ethan Galstad will be talking about Nagios, formerly know as Netsaint. Nagios is a host and service monitor designed to inform you of network problems before your clients, end-users or managers do. It has been designed to run under the Linux operating system, but works fine under most *NIX variants as well. The monitoring daemon runs intermittent checks on hosts and services you specify using external "plugins" which return status information to Nagios. When problems are encountered, the daemon can send notifications out to administrative contacts in a variety of different ways (email, instant message, SMS, etc.). Current status information, historical logs, and reports can all be accessed via a web browser. Where: University of Minnesota Room EE-CS 3-180 http://onestop.umn.edu/Maps/EECSci/index.html Hope to see you there! Also... Twin Cities Linux Users Group is proud to sponsor Doc Searls, Senior Editor, Linux Journal discussing "Why Linux Is Still The Best Operating System For Business" on Thursday, May 9th at the Strictly Business Solutions Expo in Minneapolis. Registration is FREE for Doc's keynote at http://www.StrictlyBusinessExpo.com anytime before the expo. The TCLUG will have a booth at the expo both days, so come and hang out with your fellow TCLUG'ers. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From uak at nerp.net Sun Apr 28 13:44:02 2002 From: uak at nerp.net (uak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cisco 678 needs home In-Reply-To: <20020428164855.GA28008@fandre.com> Message-ID: I have a Cisco 678 that I no longer need. Anyone interested? If so, email me offline. uak at nerp dot net From tanner at real-time.com Sun Apr 28 14:07:03 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apt4rpm + rpm4.0.4 In-Reply-To: ; from nassarmu@redconcepts.net on Sun, Apr 28, 2002 at 12:13:54PM -0500 References: <20020421190752.A21879@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020428134937.I30093@real-time.com> Quoting Munir Nassar (nassarmu@redconcepts.net): > i tried installing the realtime apt rpms today but it had a problem > because i am using rpm 4.0.4 rather than 4.0.3... > > is this a permanant issue? will i have to downgrade to install apt? > > this was mentioned before on irc but no answers were given, If you got your sources.list right you should get the realtime.8 which is linked against rpm 4.0.4 -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From buzzygirl at isd.net Sun Apr 28 15:30:08 2002 From: buzzygirl at isd.net (Jackie LaVaque) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Modems, printers for Macs running Linux Message-ID: <004c01c1eef1$2fcd3070$fa8eeed0@Jackie> First, thanks to those who replied to my question about installing Xephem. I got it in, up and running and it works really great! I really appreciate the speedy and knowledgeable help I have gotten here so far. Thanks for helping out this ultra-green newbie. Next set o' questions... really, I want you to know that I have done research on all of the below, but I'm still not sure if the few items I did turn up will work with my particular situation. I know most of the folks who post here are running Linux on Intel-based computers, but not me. I'm in the market for a 56K modem for my Mac Power PC 6500 that's running Linux... I've posted here about this and was told, correctly, that the internal modem this computer came with won't work under Linux. I have been trying to find an external 56K modem that will work with my PPC running Yellow Dog 2.2. YDL 2.2 is basically Red Hat for the Macintosh, so I would think that a 56K external Mac modem *should* theoretically work with this 'puter, but no one that carries them seems to be able to tell me for sure if they would or not. I have done some searching, but cannot seem to find a product whose specs would indicate that it will work on my computer. Rather than buy one that won't work for one reason or another, I wondered if anyone could point me to some brand names that would suit my purposes. I also have a useless StyleWriter 2400 that won't work with Linux. This Mac only has serial ports, so whatever printer I get would need to be Mac- and Linux-compatible. I almost bought a printer today that is supposedly Windows, Mac and Linux compatible, but unfortunately, it was a USB-only connector. I will continue to do some searching and calling around... but I thought it might be a time-saver if someone here who has run Linux on a PPC would tell me what kinds of modems and printers have worked with their setups. Thanks guys and gals, Jackie -- "All of us are in the gutter, but some of us are looking up at the stars." - Oscar Wilde From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sun Apr 28 15:52:04 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apt4rpm + rpm4.0.4 In-Reply-To: <20020428134937.I30093@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 28 Apr 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > If you got your sources.list right you should get the realtime.8 which is linked > against rpm 4.0.4 > www.sf.net/projects/rte only has up to realtime.5 listed... is it on gladiator somewhere? and what do you mean by getting my sources.list right? anything in pariticular that needs to be fixed? -munir From gabe at msi.umn.edu Sun Apr 28 16:41:29 2002 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] configuring ssh RESOLVED In-Reply-To: <3CCB06B4.1090509@attbi.com>; from xpoverby@attbi.com on Sat, Apr 27, 2002 at 01:14:44PM -0700 References: <3CCAC2D4.2070009@attbi.com> <3CCB06B4.1090509@attbi.com> Message-ID: <20020428162337.A29718@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> On Sat, Apr 27, 2002 at 01:14:44PM -0700, Paul Overby wrote: > Thanks to anyone who took their precious time to check my problem but I > figured it out. Request was being rejected because of the hosts.deny > file even though I had ssh in the hosts.allow file. > What's the correct specification for hosts.allow. As far as I know, the current convention is to not use the host.deny file at all, but put all your ALLOW and DENY rules in you host.allow. For ssh you would do something like sshd: ip.to.allow : rfc931 : ALLOW sshd: ALL : DENY That will allow ssh connection from ip.to.allow. If you need to allow ssh connection from everywhere, I suggest sshd: ALL EXCEPT PARANOID : rfc931 : ALLOW That will allow ssh connection except from hosts who's forward and reverse DNS entries don't match. These same rules can be used for other services, too, making the appropriate substitutions, of course. Gabe -- Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sun Apr 28 19:45:53 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Modems, printers for Macs running Linux In-Reply-To: <004c01c1eef1$2fcd3070$fa8eeed0@Jackie> References: <004c01c1eef1$2fcd3070$fa8eeed0@Jackie> Message-ID: <1020033559.30418.95.camel@3po.dhs.org> On Sun, 2002-04-28 at 15:13, Jackie LaVaque wrote: > I'm in the market for a 56K modem for my Mac Power PC 6500 that's running > Linux... [snip] > I would think that a 56K external Mac modem *should* theoretically work > with this 'puter, but no one that carries them seems to be able to tell me > for sure if they would or not. I'd have to agree with you on that. I suppose you want to find a comment like "Hayes Modem Compatible", as you're looking for something that supports the generic Hayes `AT' command set. > I also have a useless StyleWriter 2400 that won't work with Linux. This Mac > only has serial ports, so whatever printer I get would need to be Mac- and > Linux-compatible. I almost bought a printer today that is supposedly > Windows, Mac and Linux compatible, but unfortunately, it was a USB-only > connector. Considering the speed of serial ports, I wouldn't recommend getting a serial printer. However, I think there are some other options. If you have a PCI Mac, you could probably get a USB card that works in MacOS and Linux and get a USB printer. Another option would be to get a printer with an Ethernet port, or an external print server (an HP JetDirect box, for instance) that connects to a network. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Interlace: To tie two boots / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ together. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Have you considered popping a USB card into your box? -- -aardvarko http://aardvarko.com webmaster at aardvarko dot com > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jackie LaVaque > Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 15:14 > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Modems, printers for Macs running Linux From mikeflaherty at mn.rr.com Sun Apr 28 20:36:31 2002 From: mikeflaherty at mn.rr.com (Michael J Flaherty) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Modems, printers for Macs running Linux In-Reply-To: <004c01c1eef1$2fcd3070$fa8eeed0@Jackie> References: <004c01c1eef1$2fcd3070$fa8eeed0@Jackie> Message-ID: <053fb0027011d42FE3@mail3.mn.rr.com> On Sunday 28 April 2002 03:13, you wrote: > I'm in the market for a 56K modem for my Mac Power PC 6500 that's running > Linux... I've posted here about this and was told, correctly, that the > internal modem this computer came with won't work under Linux. I have been > trying to find an external 56K modem that will work with my PPC running > Yellow Dog 2.2. US Robotics made some excellent Mac serial 56K external modems. Their 33.6's are nice too. You'll have to remove the internal modem on the 6500 as it disables the modem port when installed in the Comm. slot. You *could* hook the modem to the printer port but that would make it impossible to get your SW 2400 working. The situation with that printer is not hopeless. The linuxprinting.org site says that it "mostly" works when connected to the serial port (which is more than I can say for my Epson 740 via the serial port, had to get a usb card, (it has both usb and Mac serial, as well as parallel interfaces)). Check this page: MJF From estabroo at talkware.net Sun Apr 28 20:38:16 2002 From: estabroo at talkware.net (Eric Estabrooks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Modems, printers for Macs running Linux References: <004c01c1eef1$2fcd3070$fa8eeed0@Jackie> Message-ID: <3CCCA1DC.80609@talkware.net> Jackie LaVaque wrote: > > I'm in the market for a 56K modem for my Mac Power PC 6500 that's running > Linux... I've posted here about this and was told, correctly, that the > internal modem this computer came with won't work under Linux. I have been > trying to find an external 56K modem that will work with my PPC running > Yellow Dog 2.2. YDL 2.2 is basically Red Hat for the Macintosh, so I would > think that a 56K external Mac modem *should* theoretically work with this > 'puter, but no one that carries them seems to be able to tell me for sure if > they would or not. > Any external modems that work under linux will be just fine. I prefer the US Robotics modems, Zooms also work fairly well. If you get a modem that was for a "PC" then you just need the proper cable. They make mac serial to pc serial cables (9 pin din to either 25 or 9 pin d-sub depending on modem), you used to be able to get them at best buy, but now you might have to order one from a cable place. If you have PCI slots (which I think the 6500 has), then you can probably use something like the ActionTec internal pci modem. I have used many different "PC" pci cards in my 7500 with no problems (except video which requires apple monkey business). If you've upgraded your processor, you might want to also look at MOL (Mac-On-Linux), it'll let you run some of your mac programs. It boots up a virtual mac as a process under linux. It can run in window or full screen mode. It works pretty slick supports ethernet and sound. http://www.maconlinux.org Yellow dog probably has it in their release. Eric From jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org Sun Apr 28 21:05:08 2002 From: jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org (Joseph Key) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Modems, printers for Macs running Linux In-Reply-To: <1020033559.30418.95.camel@3po.dhs.org> Message-ID: <200204290138.g3T1cQQ15539@Lum.tomobiki.dyndns.org> Mike Hicks said: > Considering the speed of serial ports, I wouldn't recommend getting a > serial printer. However, I think there are some other options. If you > have a PCI Mac, you could probably get a USB card that works in MacOS > and Linux and get a USB printer. Another option would be to get a > printer with an Ethernet port, or an external print server (an HP > JetDirect box, for instance) that connects to a network. > You can get a Lexmark MarkNet pro I at MPC for $15 with power supply. They work just fine on a network with Linux. I have two connected to my network. One with a Okidata Okipage 4w and one with a HP 682 deskjet (actually the deskjet is connected to a MarkNet XLe). The MarkNet from MPC will need the setting reset to factory defaults but you can find the information on the Lexmark web site. Joseph Key From buzzygirl at isd.net Sun Apr 28 21:05:39 2002 From: buzzygirl at isd.net (Jackie LaVaque) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Modems, printers for Macs running Linux References: Message-ID: <001101c1ef20$4a3a6f20$87bafbd8@Jackie> I haven't but I suppose I could! jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "aardvarko" To: Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 8:06 PM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Modems, printers for Macs running Linux > > I also have a useless StyleWriter 2400 that won't work with > > Linux. This Mac > > only has serial ports, so whatever printer I get would need to be Mac- and > > Linux-compatible. I almost bought a printer today that is supposedly > > Windows, Mac and Linux compatible, but unfortunately, it was a USB-only > > connector. > > Have you considered popping a USB card into your box? > > -- > -aardvarko > http://aardvarko.com > webmaster at aardvarko dot com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jackie LaVaque > > Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 15:14 > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: [TCLUG] Modems, printers for Macs running Linux > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cbidler at innominatus.com Sun Apr 28 22:15:30 2002 From: cbidler at innominatus.com (Chris Johnson Bidler) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Modems, printers for Macs running Linux References: <001101c1ef20$4a3a6f20$87bafbd8@Jackie> Message-ID: <3CCCB5D2.7010803@innominatus.com> > From: "aardvarko" >>Have you considered popping a USB card into your box? Here's a silly question: do PCI USB cards use the same chipsets as on-motherboard USB? More specifically, if I were to, say, buy the $20 Kouwell USB card from General Nanosystems, would I be able to use the existing "usb support" kernel modules, or would I have to trust that Kouwell provides a Linux driver? (haw!) From buzzygirl at isd.net Sun Apr 28 22:16:54 2002 From: buzzygirl at isd.net (Jackie LaVaque) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Modems, printers for Macs running Linux References: <004c01c1eef1$2fcd3070$fa8eeed0@Jackie> <3CCCA1DC.80609@talkware.net> Message-ID: <000b01c1ef2b$074ec700$fb8eeed0@Jackie> > Any external modems that work under linux will be just fine. I prefer > the US Robotics modems, Zooms also work fairly well. If you get a modem > that was for a "PC" then you just need the proper cable. So.. there is nothing magic about a "Mac" v. "PC" modem in terms of hardware, just the cable that connects the modem to the Mac? Hm, if that's the case, my options are certainly increased. Jackie From jethro at freakzilla.com Sun Apr 28 23:03:04 2002 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian/apt sources Message-ID: Hey, I have one of my apt sorces to ftp.us.debian.org. It consistantly is missing packages when I do a dist-upgrade. Anyone know any better locations for debian/sid? -Yaron -- From phil21 at five-elements.com Sun Apr 28 23:24:10 2002 From: phil21 at five-elements.com (Phil Doroff) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian/apt sources In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just use ftp.us.debian.org via command-line ftp until you find a close, fast mirror. It's a round-robin DNS setup. Alternatively you can check their mirrors file (available at any of the ftp servers), but I'm far too lazy for that. I do know UMN has one, as does UW - Madison. Both are extremely fast to me. -Phil > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Yaron > Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 10:59 PM > To: TCLUG > Subject: [TCLUG] debian/apt sources > > > Hey, > > I have one of my apt sorces to ftp.us.debian.org. It consistantly is > missing packages when I do a dist-upgrade. Anyone know any better > locations for debian/sid? > > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sun Apr 28 23:49:47 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Windows mail clients Message-ID: <1020054882.4810.61.camel@3po.dhs.org> Lotus Notes sucks[*]. Every time I come near it, I get the feeling I'm dealing with Evil Incarnate. That's worse than I feel when I have to use Windows. Still, it's the mail system in use where I work. Considering the main alternative available that has a comparable feature set (Exchange and Outlook) and it's associated virii and other baggage, a person is forced to basically think, "well, it could be worse." So, I'm curious, is there anything out there that takes the good features of these programs (calendaring and other `groupware' features) and integrates a solid e-mail system that won't lock you in to a particular platform? I suppose I'm dreaming to think there's a possibility... A reminder that I'm talking about Windows clients, though anything goes on the server side. Compatability with standard protocols so other platforms can at least minimally communicate is obviously something that would be good.. [*] Some reasons why Lotus Notes sucks: - No ability to thread messages (tree view) - Breaks message threading in other people's mailers by not including `In-Reply-To' headers or similar - No ability to properly quote messages - no way to automatically insert '> ' or similar before quoted text - Enforcement of bad mailing behavior - a reply goes above the original message, which is poorly separated from the new text.. a good example here: http://k-lug.org/pipermail/klug/2000-July/005974.html -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Immigration is the / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ sincerest form of flattery. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It seems to me that no one on the *nix side of things has put together a powerful email/scheduling/groupware app. IPC 2002 From gabe at msi.umn.edu Mon Apr 29 07:43:29 2002 From: gabe at msi.umn.edu (Gabe Turner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Windows mail clients In-Reply-To: <1020054882.4810.61.camel@3po.dhs.org>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Sun, Apr 28, 2002 at 11:34:42PM -0500 References: <1020054882.4810.61.camel@3po.dhs.org> Message-ID: <20020429073349.B30185@monsoon.msi.umn.edu> On Sun, Apr 28, 2002 at 11:34:42PM -0500, Mike Hicks wrote: > Lotus Notes sucks[*]. Every time I come near it, I get the feeling I'm > dealing with Evil Incarnate. That's worse than I feel when I have to > use Windows. Still, it's the mail system in use where I work. > > Considering the main alternative available that has a comparable feature > set (Exchange and Outlook) and it's associated virii and other baggage, > a person is forced to basically think, "well, it could be worse." > > So, I'm curious, is there anything out there that takes the good > features of these programs (calendaring and other `groupware' features) > and integrates a solid e-mail system that won't lock you in to a > particular platform? I suppose I'm dreaming to think there's a > possibility... Well, I once worked at a place that used Netscape Suitespot for their email and calendering. It worked pretty well, since we were fairly heterogeneous, platform wise (Windows, Linux and Solaris - this was a java devel shop). As far as I know, this suite is now called iPlanet or some such. I haven't looked up on it in a couple of years.... Gabe -- Gabe Turner gabe@msi.umn.edu SGI Origin Systems Administrator, University of Minnesota Supercomputing Institute for Digital Simulation and Advanced Computation www.msi.umn.edu From estabroo at talkware.net Mon Apr 29 08:55:36 2002 From: estabroo at talkware.net (Eric Estabrooks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Modems, printers for Macs running Linux References: <004c01c1eef1$2fcd3070$fa8eeed0@Jackie> <3CCCA1DC.80609@talkware.net> <000b01c1ef2b$074ec700$fb8eeed0@Jackie> Message-ID: <3CCD49E1.4050401@talkware.net> Jackie LaVaque wrote: >>Any external modems that work under linux will be just fine. I prefer >>the US Robotics modems, Zooms also work fairly well. If you get a modem >>that was for a "PC" then you just need the proper cable. > > > So.. there is nothing magic about a "Mac" v. "PC" modem in terms of > hardware, just the cable that connects the modem to the Mac? Hm, if that's > the case, my options are certainly increased. For external modems that's correct, the magic was in the marketing and the cable. Eric From esper at sherohman.org Mon Apr 29 09:29:58 2002 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] System lockups - Definitely the wireless In-Reply-To: <20020427162437.C6051@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Sat, Apr 27, 2002 at 04:24:37PM -0500 References: <20020427100724.A6051@sherohman.org> <1019925416.14414.811.camel@3po.dhs.org> <20020427162437.C6051@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20020429091719.A2209@sherohman.org> On Sat, Apr 27, 2002 at 04:24:37PM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote: > Huh. Looks like that could be it - I pulled the wireless card and > how have just over 3 hours uptime. I figure I'll leave it overnight, > just to be sure, before I mess with it much more. After that went without incident, I started messing with it some more yesterday to see if I could get it to stay up with the wireless NIC in place. It's still dying after 2 hours. The last time it died, though, I happened to take the wireless card out before shutting the system down and, after being frozen for 12 minutes, it immediately recovered. Looks like it's time to find someone who knows a bit more about the D-Link cards and their drivers... -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From david.blevins at visi.com Mon Apr 29 09:45:29 2002 From: david.blevins at visi.com (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RIP Tomcat (maybe) Message-ID: <006601c1ef8a$e1ce17f0$2602a8c0@Miles> All, Though Enhydra hasn't become abandon-ware and lives under another open source organization, ObjectWeb, there is another popular open source server that actually might go the way of abandon-ware, Tomcat. 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From: "Pier Fumagalli" Subject: FW: board resolution regarding JCP specifications Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 20:20:12 -0500 Size: 18261 Url: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020429/46498c89/attachment.mht From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Mon Apr 29 10:03:20 2002 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] dual boot box In-Reply-To: <200204270042.g3R0gdm22260@minerva.iaxs.net> References: <200204270042.g3R0gdm22260@minerva.iaxs.net> Message-ID: <20020429094122.C17847@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 07:43:58PM -0500, Chester Larson wrote: > Where do I find info on how to setup a dialup connection on a dual boot box > Box: R.H.7.0 and Win95 Well, being dual boot shouldn't make any difference for setting a dialup connection. Have you looked at the Red Hat docs? Could you supply some more details - what type of modem, etc ? -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Mon Apr 29 10:15:34 2002 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] debian/apt sources In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020429093808.B17847@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Sun, Apr 28, 2002 at 10:58:56PM -0500, Yaron wrote: > I have one of my apt sorces to ftp.us.debian.org. It consistantly is > missing packages when I do a dist-upgrade. Anyone know any better > locations for debian/sid? I think ftp.us.debian.org is a round-robin alias for several mirrors. Use either the U's or Realtime's mirror, depending on who your ISP is: http://debian-mirror.cs.umn.edu/debian/ ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/debian/ -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Apr 29 10:53:55 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RIP Tomcat (maybe) In-Reply-To: <006601c1ef8a$e1ce17f0$2602a8c0@Miles> References: <006601c1ef8a$e1ce17f0$2602a8c0@Miles> Message-ID: <20020429153811.GD8067@wookimus.net> On Mon, Apr 29, 2002 at 09:33:50AM -0500, David Blevins wrote: > Though Enhydra hasn't become abandon-ware and lives under another open > source organization, ObjectWeb, there is another popular open source > server that actually might go the way of abandon-ware, Tomcat. > > In Apache's initiative to get Sun to allow, without restriction, open > source involvement and licensing of the JCP defined specs, they have > resolved to drop *all* Java projects that cannot be legally licensed > and distributed under the JCP agreement and the APL. > > See the attached email for more detail. I was going to reference this in a /. submission, but the email itself is not archived in a publically accessible place. I am assuming that I should, therefore, not post it until the Apache board wants to make its own public announcement. (Perhaps the /. effect wouldn't bring feelings of gratitude to the Sun legal team.) Regardless, David, do you know what the Apache board plans? Also, you do know that this email list is publically archived. Did you make a slip and reveal Apache's "secret" plans to "dump" Java? (How's that for keyword seeding? *grin* Come on, Google!) -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I think is interesting is NEC: > http://www.linuxdevices.com/products/PD6574796610.html > http://www.necel.com/microprocessors/powerEfficient.cfm > > 1545 MIPS/watt, however its definitely not an FPGA :) > > There may be other uC whose instruction set is only partially supported at > this point. > > Bob > > Jon Schewe wrote: > > > > Someone at work asked me this question today and I couldn't find a master > > list. What he'd like to find is a master list of all processors that Linux > > has been ported to so he can match this list up with a list of available > > processors for a project. In particular he's looking at FPGAs. > > > > I tried the Hardware HOWTO, and it gave a list, but stated it wasn't > > complete. Same thing out on kernel.org. Has someone built such a list? > > > > -- > > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe > > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From John.Miller at rbcdain.com Mon Apr 29 14:01:02 2002 From: John.Miller at rbcdain.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP and logging in Message-ID: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940236A547@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> When a user logs on to an FTP server. Are their user id and password transmitted in plain text or does the FTP client try to hide it and if so how. Thanks John Miller Software Developer Phone: 612-547-7573 Fax: 612-547-7580 Mail Stop: T23 MailTo:john.miller@rbcdain.com From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Apr 29 14:06:34 2002 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Setting name of the system In-Reply-To: References: <3CBD61B1.C2EB3973@stonel.com> Message-ID: <20020429182700.GB8873@wookimus.net> On Mon, Apr 29, 2002 at 12:40:10PM -0500, Sreekumar Kodakara wrote: > I want to set the name of a linux system. I edited the etc/hosts file > to include the name. The change gets reflected but I am not able to > ping the machine using the new name of the machine. It says hosts not > found. Is there anything else which I must do? Thanks for the help. There were at least two thread in the last two months covering this topic: http://archives2.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2002-March/048707.html http://archives2.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2002-April/049888.html -- Chad Walstrom | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020429/b41e9691/attachment.pgp From florin at iucha.net Mon Apr 29 14:09:07 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Setting name of the system In-Reply-To: References: <3CBD61B1.C2EB3973@stonel.com> Message-ID: <20020429183421.GD1000@iucha.net> On Mon, Apr 29, 2002 at 12:40:10PM -0500, Sreekumar Kodakara wrote: > I want to set the name of a linux system. I edited the etc/hosts file to > include the name. The change gets reflected but I am not able to ping the > machine using the new name of the machine. It says hosts not found. > Is there anything else which I must do? 1. What Linux distribution are you using? 2. What is now the contents of /etc/hosts? 3. What networks does your computer belong to? florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's plain text. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From natecars at real-time.com Mon Apr 29 14:56:01 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP and logging in In-Reply-To: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940236A547@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, Miller, John wrote: > When a user logs on to an FTP server. Are their user id and password > transmitted in plain text or does the FTP client try to hide it and if > so how. Plain text. Use sftp :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Mon Apr 29 14:56:29 2002 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP and logging in Message-ID: <00000aeb010e6d07d2@[172.29.97.10]> > When a user logs on to an FTP server. Are their user id and > password transmitted in > plain text or does the FTP client try to hide it and if so how. Plain text like telnet. Not a good idea if you can help it. When these legacy protocols were invented the world was a friendlier place. IPC 2002 From tanner at real-time.com Mon Apr 29 15:15:20 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RIP Tomcat (maybe) In-Reply-To: <20020429153811.GD8067@wookimus.net>; from chewie@wookimus.net on Mon, Apr 29, 2002 at 10:38:11AM -0500 References: <006601c1ef8a$e1ce17f0$2602a8c0@Miles> <20020429153811.GD8067@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20020429150912.O4555@real-time.com> Quoting Chad Walstrom (chewie@wookimus.net): > Regardless, David, do you know what the Apache board plans? Also, you > do know that this email list is publically archived. Did you make a > slip and reveal Apache's "secret" plans to "dump" Java? I really hope this does not happen, I use much of the Apache Project code in my day-2-day programming. I have contributed hard cold cash to the project to show my appreciation for the effort. I understand Apache's grip, it's just sucks that such extreme measure are needed to get Sun to listen. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From joelr at ellegon.com Mon Apr 29 15:29:26 2002 From: joelr at ellegon.com (Joel Rosenberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP and logging in In-Reply-To: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940236A547@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940236A547@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Message-ID: <20020429201421.94507233D5@msp-65-25-234-54.mn.rr.com> On Monday 29 April 2002 01:13 pm, you wrote: > When a user logs on to an FTP server. Are their user id and password > transmitted in plain text or does the FTP client try to hide it and if so > how. > Plain text, alas. Just like pop3 servers (usually) do. From John.Miller at rbcdain.com Mon Apr 29 15:29:52 2002 From: John.Miller at rbcdain.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP and logging in Message-ID: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940236A554@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Thanks all for the input. John Miller Software Developer Phone: 612-547-7573 Fax: 612-547-7580 Mail Stop: T23 MailTo:john.miller@rbcdain.com -----Original Message----- From: Ben Lutgens [mailto:blutgens@sistina.com] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 2:40 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] FTP and logging in On Mon, Apr 29, 2002 at 01:13:53PM -0500, Miller, John wrote: >When a user logs on to an FTP server. Are their user id and password transmitted in >plain text or does the FTP client try to hide it and if so how. > plain text. fire up your favorite sniffer. Look into SSL wrapping your ftpd. Some support this right out of the box (proftpd) and still others will work if you use stunnel or sslwrap. 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HP Open mail, now abandonware, picked up by > someone looked pretty good. Yeah, I heard good things about that. It got picked up by Samsung and is now Samsung Connect [http://www.samsungconnect.com/]. I was thinking it might be worthwhile to get that, then use Outlook as a client, but I'd have reservations about that (mostly worrying about worms and things that affect the client). However, I understand that OpenMail could interoperate with other software to filter out junk and virii. > It seems to me that no one on the *nix side of things has put together > a powerful email/scheduling/groupware app. Evolution seems to be the only thing out there for a client application. There are a lot of web-based things listed on Freshmeat when you search for `groupware', but I don't know what people would think of that.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ What happens if you put a / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ slinky on an escalator? \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So, you let APT upgrade APT for you. > and what do you mean by getting my sources.list right? anything in > pariticular that needs to be fixed? This should be enough to get you what you need. ## Redhat 7.2 tclug custom packages rpm ftp://ftp.real-time.com/linux/apt realtime/7.2/i386 tclug rpm ftp://ftp.real-time.com/linux/apt realtime/7.2/noarch tclug #rpm ftp://ftp.real-time.com/linux/apt realtime/7.2/ppc tclug #rpm ftp://ftp.real-time.com/linux/apt realtime/7.2/sparc tclug -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Mon Apr 29 22:58:52 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apt4rpm + rpm4.0.4 In-Reply-To: <20020429204552.F4555@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > Silly Munir.... silly bob > You need to get apt from sf only once. The one time you get it from sf is the > very first time. Once you got it you apt-get update; apt-get upgrade. and how am i to install it the first time? remember i have rpm 4.0.4 installed, apt-realtime.5 requires rpm 4.0.3 and will not install (cleanly at least, and i am not sure if --nodeps will work properly) and the src.rpm did gives me compiler errors, but this could be related with gcc 3.0.3... > ## Redhat 7.2 tclug custom packages > rpm ftp://ftp.real-time.com/linux/apt realtime/7.2/i386 tclug > rpm ftp://ftp.real-time.com/linux/apt realtime/7.2/noarch tclug > #rpm ftp://ftp.real-time.com/linux/apt realtime/7.2/ppc tclug > #rpm ftp://ftp.real-time.com/linux/apt realtime/7.2/sparc tclug thanks -munir From nassarsa at redconcepts.net Tue Apr 30 03:03:13 2002 From: nassarsa at redconcepts.net (Samir M. Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apt4rpm + rpm4.0.4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1020152634.9575.41.camel@yafa> No. Silly Munir. There are several versions of apt4rpm that work just fine with rpm 4.0.4 freshrpms.net, or rpmfind.net should have what you want/need. use that and your problems melt away. RTFM and STFW come to mind. Nevermind those to, just LTYB (listen to your brother) once in a while, eh? Samir From houle at citilink.com Tue Apr 30 08:03:54 2002 From: houle at citilink.com (Terry Houle) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installing on Win 2k box In-Reply-To: <20020426193733.B15580@beck.localnet> Message-ID: I will try. Installing the new SuSE 8.0 prof IDE original main drive 30GB c= 9.7 GB d= 18.19 GB newly install second drive (hopefully jumpered as a slave) f=9.28 GB free space 494 MB g=14.65 GB h= 12.85 all running fat32 and they are all primary partitions. It just appears to go right thru the boot process but not start the cdrom booting. Even but in a Mandrake 8.1 in the cdrom and it booted right into 2k again. Guess not positive if drives are properly jumpered but they appear ok under Computer Management and all say healthy. Not sure the command I used to make the floppies but it started loading the kernel and then stopped and asked for something else. I think that was the module 1. Been thru so many scenarios can't remember them all. > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Scot Jenkins > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 7:38 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Installing on Win 2k box > > > can you give us more info: > - what distro are you using? > - IDE or SCSI system? > - if IDE, what's the layout of the drives: > ex: primary master xxGB win2k > 2nd master IDE cdrom > primary slave xxGB (for linux) > 2nd slave none > - are the drives jumpered properly? > - what OS/command(s) did you use to create the floppies? > > Aside from that, we could help you at the next installfest. > > > From RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com Tue Apr 30 08:56:33 2002 From: RWare at INTERPLASTIC.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installing on Win 2k box Message-ID: <00000d9502111707d2@[172.29.97.10]> > > all running fat32 and they are all primary partitions. It > just appears to > go right thru the boot process but not start the cdrom > booting. Even but in > a Mandrake 8.1 in the cdrom and it booted right into 2k again. Check you boot order in the BIOS. Enable boot from cdrom and put it before the HD in the boot order. IPC 2002 From clay at fandre.com Tue Apr 30 09:10:54 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Getting VMware to play nice with esd Message-ID: <20020430134348.GC12805@fandre.com> Anyone have VMware 3.1 for Linux working with esd? (ala esddsp?) VMware's website says this should work, but I keep getting "/dev/dsp busy" errors when starting "esddsp vmware". Any ideas? -- Clay -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Once I change the ownership of the parent directory pub/redhat/linux/7.3 to the rsync user, you will find the following files: =2E/en/iso/doc: total 54304 -rw-r--r-- 1 root 55541760 Apr 30 00:09 docs-7.3-i386.iso =2E/en/iso/i386: total 2998356 -rw-r--r-- 1 root 585400320 Apr 29 23:38 valhalla-SRPMS-disc1.iso -rw-r--r-- 1 root 625541120 Apr 29 23:44 valhalla-SRPMS-disc2.iso -rw-r--r-- 1 root 668499968 Apr 29 23:20 valhalla-i386-disc1.iso -rw-r--r-- 1 root 669548544 Apr 29 23:27 valhalla-i386-disc2.iso -rw-r--r-- 1 root 518291456 Apr 29 23:32 valhalla-i386-disc3.iso The MD5SUMS are are follows: cb91810ce8173039fed24420407e4c59 valhalla-i386-disc1.iso ec1b813d32ffdc8edc2be261735d17de valhalla-i386-disc2.iso 5dc81ce523cfddf99b4d4d63e91bcaa7 valhalla-i386-disc3.iso c9a4d963a49e384e10dec9c2bd49ad73 valhalla-SRPMS-disc1.iso 41b03d068e84d2a17147aa27e704f79b valhalla-SRPMS-disc2.iso 58caad7d93b06c1c0e2af1ce2111a4ae docs-7.3-i386.iso We'll be doing basically the same thing we did with the beta release. We will prestage all the ISOs to give mirrors a change to get the ISOs, and then pushing the exploded trees out separately. Please note, none of the content should be made available prior to May 6th. We'll send out another message when the exploded trees are placed on the mirror hosts, and another reminder when you can open read access to the world. Thank you for your attention, Kambiz ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Tue Apr 30 10:35:49 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apt4rpm + rpm4.0.4 In-Reply-To: ; from nassarmu@redconcepts.net on Mon, Apr 29, 2002 at 10:10:53PM -0500 References: <20020429204552.F4555@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020430093158.H29233@real-time.com> Quoting Munir Nassar (nassarmu@redconcepts.net): > On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > Silly Munir.... > > silly bob Sillier Munir .... > and how am i to install it the first time? > > > ## Redhat 7.2 tclug custom packages > > rpm ftp://ftp.real-time.com/linux/apt realtime/7.2/i386 tclug Download it from the above url. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Tue Apr 30 10:40:09 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apt4rpm + rpm4.0.4 In-Reply-To: <1020152634.9575.41.camel@yafa>; from nassarsa@redconcepts.net on Tue, Apr 30, 2002 at 02:43:53AM -0500 References: <1020152634.9575.41.camel@yafa> Message-ID: <20020430093307.I29233@real-time.com> Quoting Samir M. Nassar (nassarsa@redconcepts.net): > RTFM and STFW come to mind. Nevermind those to, just LTYB (listen to > your brother) once in a while, eh? Hahahah! -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From natecars at real-time.com Tue Apr 30 10:56:54 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Getting VMware to play nice with esd In-Reply-To: <20020430134348.GC12805@fandre.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Clay Fandre wrote: > Anyone have VMware 3.1 for Linux working with esd? (ala esddsp?) > VMware's website says this should work, but I keep getting "/dev/dsp > busy" errors when starting "esddsp vmware". Any ideas? Need to set the suid bit on esddsp -- VMWare runs as root, so esddsp needs to run as root, too.. at least, that's the best I was able to figure it out. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Apr 30 11:33:29 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:39:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Getting VMware to play nice with esd In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1020183702.19114.89.camel@3po.dhs.org> On Tue, 2002-04-30 at 10:23, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Clay Fandre wrote: > > Anyone have VMware 3.1 for Linux working with esd? (ala esddsp?) > > VMware's website says this should work, but I keep getting "/dev/dsp > > busy" errors when starting "esddsp vmware". Any ideas? > > Need to set the suid bit on esddsp -- VMWare runs as root, so esddsp needs > to run as root, too.. at least, that's the best I was able to figure it > out. Yeah, I bet it's something along those lines. esddsp uses the LD_PRELOAD trick, telling the system to load an extra library that intercepts writes to /dev/dsp. To prevent people from using this technique to access things they shouldn't, any program that is set-uid root and started by a user won't honor the LD_PRELOAD environment variable. I'm surprised, though, that vmware doesn't just have an option in the configuration somewhere to use esd.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ RTFM?!? But I can't even / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ _find_ TFM!! \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Tue Apr 30 12:33:23 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:40:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apt4rpm + rpm4.0.4 In-Reply-To: <20020430093158.H29233@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > Silly Munir.... > > > > silly bob > > Sillier Munir .... oh most silly bob > > > ## Redhat 7.2 tclug custom packages > > > rpm ftp://ftp.real-time.com/linux/apt realtime/7.2/i386 tclug > > Download it from the above url. can you do me a favor? can you ftp in and check for that package? maybe i am blind, maybe i did not look in the right places, but as far as i can tell there are not apt packages anywhere on ftp.real-time.com unless it is in a place that i have no access to -munir From clay at fandre.com Tue Apr 30 14:16:32 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:40:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] selling IR control dongles In-Reply-To: <3CCED476.5000702@infinetivity.com> References: <3CCED476.5000702@infinetivity.com> Message-ID: <20020430183400.GB18369@fandre.com> On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Karl Bongers wrote: > P.S. Classified tclug Web-Meister: Please make the > form description box bigger, > I thought I was going to go insane typing in that > little box. > Can you be more specific on why it makes you go insane? I tried it and I did not have any problems with it. From tanner at real-time.com Tue Apr 30 16:44:25 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:40:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apt4rpm + rpm4.0.4 In-Reply-To: ; from nassarmu@redconcepts.net on Tue, Apr 30, 2002 at 12:32:17PM -0500 References: <20020430093158.H29233@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020430163849.R4555@real-time.com> Quoting Munir Nassar (nassarmu@redconcepts.net): > can you do me a favor? can you ftp in and check for that package? maybe i > am blind, maybe i did not look in the right places, but as far as i can > tell there are not apt packages anywhere on ftp.real-time.com unless it is > in a place that i have no access to ftp://ftp.real-time.com/linux/apt/realtime/7.2/i386/RPMS.tclug/ ncftp ...me/7.2/i386/RPMS.tclug > dir apt* -rw-r--r-- 1 tanner apt 804622 Apr 30 2002 apt-0.3.19cnc55-realtime.8.i386.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 tanner apt 614429 Apr 30 2002 apt-devel-0.3.19cnc55-realtime.8.i386.rpm Should be there now. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From wilson at visi.com Tue Apr 30 17:29:04 2002 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:40:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] colorful mutt Message-ID: <20020430220210.GA25158@isis.visi.com> Hey everyone, I'm finally buckling down to learn mutt. I've been a pine user for many years, but I'd like to start trying some of the cool mutt features. I'd like to get the colors working, but I've had no luck yet. I found a .color.muttrc file on the 'net and I put in ~ (with the proper setting in .muttrc to source it). I'm still not getting colors. I'm almost certain it's a termcap problem. I read by mail my ssh-ing to my visi account and reading it there. Currently TERM is set to vt100. I tried setting it to xterm, but that didn't do anything. In short, how do I make sure that the terminal emulation is set correctly in an ssh session? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Apr 30 17:31:19 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:40:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: debian/apt sources In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020429042021.GE4002@ringworld.org> * Yaron [020428 23:05]: > missing packages when I do a dist-upgrade. Anyone know any better > locations for debian/sid? gladiator or ftp.debian.org. (hosted closeby!) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Apr 30 17:31:54 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:40:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: debian/apt sources In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020429042021.GE4002@ringworld.org> * Yaron [020428 23:05]: > missing packages when I do a dist-upgrade. Anyone know any better > locations for debian/sid? gladiator or ftp.debian.org. (hosted closeby!) -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From mitc0185 at umn.edu Tue Apr 30 17:32:26 2002 From: mitc0185 at umn.edu (Erik K Mitchell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:40:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Setting name of the system Message-ID: <200204291803.g3TI3Of23548@anteater.software.umn.edu> It sounds like you should read the networking HOWTO. The part about name resolution is at http://www.ibiblio.org/mdw/HOWTO/Net-HOWTO/x413.html Basically when you give a machine a name it needs to resolve that to an IP address. It has a couple of places where it can find that information. The first is in its /etc/hosts file. If the machine you are trying to ping is in your computer's /etc/hosts file it will resolve the name. Note that the /etc/hosts file has to be on the computer you are pinging /from/. If the computer name is not in the hosts file, the computer will check its DNS servers. You probably have DNS set to your ISP's DNS servers. You ISP does not have DNS information for the computers at your house, so your computer will not be able to resolve the name from DNS. If you have a small network then keeping hosts files up to date isn't such a large task. The larger your network gets, however, the easier it is to have a DNS server. One outlet for DNS service that I recommend is EveryDNS, at www.everydns.net. You set up DNS for your network there for free. Read that networking howto though. It's good to get a firm understanding on how all of it works. Good luck! Erik On 29 Apr 2002, Sreekumar Kodakara wrote: > Hi > I want to set the name of a linux system. I edited the etc/hosts file to > include the name. The change gets reflected but I am not able to ping the > machine using the new name of the machine. It says hosts not found. > Is there anything else which I must do? > Thanks for the help. > Sree > > On Wed, 17 Apr 2002, Bob Gilbertson wrote: > > > Jon, > > > > Don't know that Linux has been pushed down into FPGA's (yet), not enough > > horsepower in them I think. > > > > Here is at least a partial listing of uC: > > http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT4313418436.html > > > > One mfgr. I think is interesting is NEC: > > http://www.linuxdevices.com/products/PD6574796610.html > > http://www.necel.com/microprocessors/powerEfficient.cfm > > > > 1545 MIPS/watt, however its definitely not an FPGA :) > > > > There may be other uC whose instruction set is only partially supported at > > this point. > > > > Bob > > > > Jon Schewe wrote: > > > > > > Someone at work asked me this question today and I couldn't find a master > > > list. What he'd like to find is a master list of all processors that > Linux > > > has been ported to so he can match this list up with a list of available > > > processors for a project. In particular he's looking at FPGAs. > > > > > > I tried the Hardware HOWTO, and it gave a list, but stated it wasn't > > > complete. Same thing out on kernel.org. Has someone built such a list? > > > > > > -- > > > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe > > > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > > > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > > > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > > > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > > > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From sstorie at d.umn.edu Tue Apr 30 17:32:59 2002 From: sstorie at d.umn.edu (Sam Storie) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:40:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FTP and logging in In-Reply-To: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940236A547@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Message-ID: > When a user logs on to an FTP server. Are their user id and password transmitted in > plain text or does the FTP client try to hide it and if so how. > It's sent in plain-text. -Sam From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Apr 30 17:33:36 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:40:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: RIP Tomcat (maybe) In-Reply-To: <20020429150912.O4555@real-time.com> References: <006601c1ef8a$e1ce17f0$2602a8c0@Miles> <20020429153811.GD8067@wookimus.net> <20020429150912.O4555@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020430025346.GF4002@ringworld.org> * Bob Tanner [020429 15:17]: > I really hope this does not happen, I use much of the Apache Project code in my > day-2-day programming. I have contributed hard cold cash to the project to show > my appreciation for the effort. At worst, if apache loses, take a look at Caucho's resin. Its nicely documented, and licenses are cheap. The source is included, however I don't remember what happens to modifications, if you have to show them on demand, etc. I know you cant redistrubute them without giving them to caucho too... Its evil, but its better than other engines ive seen. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From kbongers at mninter.net Tue Apr 30 17:34:10 2002 From: kbongers at mninter.net (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:40:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] selling IR control dongles Message-ID: <3CCEBA1E.4040209@mninter.net> Hey gang, I posted a classified ad on the tclug web page. I'm selling IR control dongles that you can use under Linux. http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi?catagory=computersell I'm making these by hand in my basement in my spare time. I hope to someday have a mega-corporation(in my basement) churning out widgets. Please help in my quest for world domination. cheers, Karl. P.S. Classified tclug Web-Meister: Please make the form description box bigger, I thought I was going to go insane typing in that little box. From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Apr 30 17:35:15 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:40:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: selling IR control dongles In-Reply-To: <20020430183400.GB18369@fandre.com> References: <3CCED476.5000702@infinetivity.com> <20020430183400.GB18369@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20020430202225.GK4002@ringworld.org> * Clay Fandre [020430 14:21]: > Can you > be more > specific Hmm. I think it was something about the width. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From florin at iucha.net Tue Apr 30 17:39:26 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:40:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apt4rpm + rpm4.0.4 In-Reply-To: <20020430163849.R4555@real-time.com> References: <20020430093158.H29233@real-time.com> <20020430163849.R4555@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020430221936.GA437@iucha.net> On Tue, Apr 30, 2002 at 04:38:49PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Munir Nassar (nassarmu@redconcepts.net): > > can you do me a favor? can you ftp in and check for that package? maybe i > > am blind, maybe i did not look in the right places, but as far as i can > > tell there are not apt packages anywhere on ftp.real-time.com unless it is > > in a place that i have no access to > > ftp://ftp.real-time.com/linux/apt/realtime/7.2/i386/RPMS.tclug/ By following your thread I got to the conclusion that it's easier to just install Debian. 8^) florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I could have sworn that they were not there before, but thanks! -munir From natecars at real-time.com Tue Apr 30 19:46:57 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:40:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apt4rpm + rpm4.0.4 In-Reply-To: <20020430221936.GA437@iucha.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Florin Iucha wrote: > By following your thread I got to the conclusion that it's easier to > just install Debian. 8^) Good plan! That's what I always do! (Well, except when I'm at work..) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From wilson at visi.com Tue Apr 30 20:03:07 2002 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:40:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] colorful mutt In-Reply-To: <20020430225426.GG26652@wookimus.net> References: <20020430220210.GA25158@isis.visi.com> <20020430225426.GG26652@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20020501003115.GA2228@isis.visi.com> On Tue, Apr 30, 2002 at 05:54:26PM -0500, Chad Walstrom wrote: > > # $Id$ > # > # Chad's Mutt color configuration > # vim:filetype=muttrc: > #--------------------------------------------------------------------- I've got a .muttrc and sources a file with the color specifications. No problem there. My problem, I think, is bad terminal emulation. I can see some colors. Doing 'ls -sF --color', for example, works. Mutt just isn't showing the colors. I've tried it using xterm, aterm, Konsole with my TERM variable on the shell account as visi set to xterm, vt100, and vt102. Anyone have an idea? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From tanner at real-time.com Tue Apr 30 20:05:13 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:40:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apt4rpm + rpm4.0.4 In-Reply-To: ; from nassarmu@redconcepts.net on Tue, Apr 30, 2002 at 06:59:56PM -0500 References: <20020430163849.R4555@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020430194902.G4555@real-time.com> Quoting Munir Nassar (nassarmu@redconcepts.net): > On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > ftp://ftp.real-time.com/linux/apt/realtime/7.2/i386/RPMS.tclug/ > > > > ncftp ...me/7.2/i386/RPMS.tclug > dir apt* > > -rw-r--r-- 1 tanner apt 804622 Apr 30 2002 apt-0.3.19cnc55-realtime.8.i386.rpm > > -rw-r--r-- 1 tanner apt 614429 Apr 30 2002 apt-devel-0.3.19cnc55-realtime.8.i386.rpm > > > > Should be there now. > > I could have sworn that they were not there before, but thanks! They weren't. My rsync script was not getting the apt package from our development ftp server. Sorry. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Tue Apr 30 20:06:12 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:40:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Interesting! Redhat for IBM [aip] series Message-ID: <20020430195258.H4555@real-time.com> ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/redhat/linux/ibm/ This tree includes versions of Red Hat Linux 7.1 for IBM z (64-bit), i (32-bit) and p (32-bit) Series systems. Red Hat Linux 7.1 for IBM i and p Series are platform specific PowerPC implementations, and do not support other PowerPC architectures or platforms at this time. Please contact Red Hat at http://www.redhat.com for further information regarding these offerings. MAYBE there will be a redhat for PPC, other then IBMs. -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From natecars at real-time.com Tue Apr 30 20:06:47 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:40:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apt4rpm + rpm4.0.4 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Munir Nassar wrote: > > -rw-r--r-- 1 tanner apt 804622 Apr 30 2002 apt-0.3.19cnc55-realtime.8.i386.rpm > > -rw-r--r-- 1 tanner apt 614429 Apr 30 2002 apt-devel-0.3.19cnc55-realtime.8.i386.rpm ^^^^^^ > I could have sworn that they were not there before, but thanks! Look above.. they weren't. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Apr 30 20:52:38 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:40:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: debian/apt sources In-Reply-To: <20020429042021.GE4002@ringworld.org> References: <20020429042021.GE4002@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <1020216247.19114.132.camel@3po.dhs.org> On Sun, 2002-04-28 at 23:20, Scott Dier wrote: > * Yaron [020428 23:05]: > > missing packages when I do a dist-upgrade. Anyone know any better > > locations for debian/sid? > > gladiator or ftp.debian.org. (hosted closeby!) Wow, that forward, then reverse resolves to debian-mirror.cs.umn.edu. Must be right down the hall for you ;-) How'd getting a .debian.org address come about? -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Program too small for / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Windows. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20020430/26b8afeb/attachment.pgp From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Tue Apr 30 22:45:20 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:40:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apt4rpm + rpm4.0.4 In-Reply-To: <20020430194902.G4555@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > They weren't. My rsync script was not getting the apt package from our > development ftp server. > > Sorry. no problem... i'm just happy to have apt up and running now -munir From wilson at visi.com Tue Apr 30 22:47:47 2002 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:40:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] colorful mutt In-Reply-To: <20020430233024.GA324@sistina.com> References: <20020430220210.GA25158@isis.visi.com> <20020430233024.GA324@sistina.com> Message-ID: <20020501033845.GA10416@isis.visi.com> On Tue, Apr 30, 2002 at 06:30:24PM -0500, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Tue, Apr 30, 2002 at 05:02:10PM -0500, Tim Wilson wrote: > >my visi account and reading it there. Currently TERM is set to vt100. I > >tried setting it to xterm, but that didn't do anything. > > xterm-color or rxvt TERM settings should do the trick. Why not just pull > your mail down with fetchmail and read locally? I've considered that, but I guess I haven't studied up on fetchmail enough to know if it would work for me. My visi.com address is my primary email address and I read it frequently at work and at home. Reading it using pine or mutt in an ssh session makes it really easy to read my email from anywhere. As I said, I don't know much about fetchmail. Can it operate in a similar way? Maybe I could use IMAP instead, but I haven't checked to see if I can get SSL-encrypted IMAP connections to visi. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From tanner at real-time.com Tue Apr 30 23:30:32 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:40:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kerberos: satan or savior? Message-ID: <20020430225633.V4555@real-time.com> Having an internal discussion at Real Time about kerberos. As an undergrad, kerberos was -it- for a secure network environment. Most of the interstructure authenticated and authorized against kerberos. Login, mail, even AFS (can't remember what is was really called back then, transarc?). Anyways, with openssh, ssl, generic TLS stuff. Is kerberos necessary still? Some people here are arguing the kerberos is "old" technology and not necessary. Others argue about security issue in kerberos. Still others argue that kerberos is the only was to support things like secure/token cards. So, anyone have comments? -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Tue Apr 30 23:30:38 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:40:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apt4rpm + rpm4.0.4 In-Reply-To: ; from nassarmu@redconcepts.net on Tue, Apr 30, 2002 at 10:23:00PM -0500 References: <20020430194902.G4555@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020430231741.W4555@real-time.com> Quoting Munir Nassar (nassarmu@redconcepts.net): > On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > They weren't. My rsync script was not getting the apt package from our > > development ftp server. > > > > Sorry. > > no problem... i'm just happy to have apt up and running now You download the tclug-gamepak yet? -- Minneapolis St. Paul Twin Cities MN | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org Minnesota Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9