I will out of the office February 19th - February 21st, 2002. If this is an Automation emergency, please contact our hotline at x5760, or send a request to "Woodbury Automation". If this is a personal emergency, I can be paged at 651-532-1967. I will respond to your message when I return to the office on Friday, February 22, 2002. Thank you, Jean >>> tclug-list 02/18/02 18:21 >>> Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to tclug-list at mn-linux.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org You can reach the person managing the list at tclug-list-admin at mn-linux.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: How to play music on Linux box! (Rodd Ahrenstorff) 2. Re: How to play music on Linux box! (Rodd Ahrenstorff) 3. Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #1962 - 6 msgs (OoO - ) (Jean Ahles) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Rodd Ahrenstorff <rahrenstorff at yahoo.com> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] How to play music on Linux box! Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 17:28:14 -0600 Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org On Monday 18 February 2002 4:05 pm, Ben Lutgens wrote: > Further, most people have no business using it. I'd never expect my mom to > use it, or my sister or brother for that matter. They aren't into this sort > of thing. Most of those people might just tell you to kiss-off Ben. Do you mean this open source operating system is meant for only the guru geek type admins? My mom is using Lycoris Desktop/lx right now...and she had never used Windows at all. My brother is also using Mandrake on his laptop. Maybe it's your family members who aren't right-in-the-head :^) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Rodd Ahrenstorff <rahrenstorff at yahoo.com> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] How to play music on Linux box! Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 17:29:41 -0600 Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org On Monday 18 February 2002 4:05 pm, Ben Lutgens wrote: > Further, most people have no business using it. I'd never expect my mom to > use it, or my sister or brother for that matter. They aren't into this sort > of thing. Most of those people might just tell you to kiss-off Ben. Do you mean this open source operating system is meant for only the guru geek type admins? My mom is using Lycoris Desktop/lx right now...and she had never used Windows at all. My brother is also using Mandrake on his laptop. Maybe it's your family members who aren't right-in-the-head :^) --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 17:52:56 -0600 From: "Jean Ahles" <Jean.Ahles at us.fortis.com> To: <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #1962 - 6 msgs (OoO - ) Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org I will out of the office February 19th - February 21st, 2002. If this is an Automation emergency, please contact our hotline at x5760, or send a request to "Woodbury Automation". If this is a personal emergency, I can be paged at 651-532-1967. I will respond to your message when I return to the office on Friday, February 22, 2002. Thank you, Jean >>> tclug-list 02/18/02 17:47 >>> Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to tclug-list at mn-linux.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org You can reach the person managing the list at tclug-list-admin at mn-linux.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: How to play music on Linux box! (Mike Hicks) 2. Re: IBM history (Ben Lutgens) 3. Making POP3 Work (Scott Raun) 4. Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #1961 - 14 msgs (OoO - ) (Jean Ahles) 5. Re: IBM history (Glenn McDavid) 6. Re: xf86config (Matthew S. Hallacy) -- __--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:44:09 -0600 From: Mike Hicks <hick0088 at tc.umn.edu> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] How to play music on Linux box! Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org --=.UKdxPy7nF02Ym= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Daniel Churchill <churchid at visi.com> wrote: > > On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, Ben Lutgens wrote: > > > > Why bother? None of those people will use linux anyway. They are "windows" > > users. There's very little reason for them to switch. > > You bother because there are some users who have no experienc with Linx, > or who heard a horror story from a friend about some other friend of > theirs who tried Linux and couldn't get their sound to work and how it's > such a difficult OS to deal with. You bother to show such users that > Linux really isn't that difficult. Heh, reminds me that I switched from OS/2 to Linux due to the fact that sound worked better in Linux. Creative dropped support for OS/2 around the time I started getting into Linux, so it just pushed me further along the path. > I'ts this sort of cynical "you stay on your side of the fence and I'll > stay on mine" attitude that poisons people toward even considering Linux > as an alternative, IMHO. Ben can come off sounding pretty harsh.. I'm still not sure if he's just schizo or if he likes to play devil's advocate and not tell anyone. Oh yeah, he likes flamewars, too, so it's probably impossible to say :-p -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ If a word in the dictionary / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ were mispelled, how would \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) we know? [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088 at tc.umn.edu ] --=.UKdxPy7nF02Ym= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE8cYO805OjzVUnj0URAqpUAJ9HGekIYAgqGgV04SCFouxpU+8Y/QCeLjVP nvxvWn+qwm+tVv9wkpokWeA= =qNAP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=.UKdxPy7nF02Ym=-- -- __--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:49:23 -0600 From: Ben Lutgens <blutgens at sistina.com> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] IBM history Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org --Bn2rw/3z4jIqBvZU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 04:30:38PM -0600, Robert Leduc wrote: >> > Prepare to feel old- the first system I had was a P75 :-) >> > (Though I did use a 386 previously) I'm almost 30 years old an my first computer was a P200MMX. I had used an IBM XT when I was a kid though. >> I owned at least 5 computers before I owned a 386. =20 holy shit. --=20 Ben Lutgens http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/=09 Sistina Software Inc. pub 1024D/9A0DDC59 2001-12-12 Ben Lutgens <blutgens at sistina.com> Key fingerprint =3D 8FCD A1EE CEA7 DEE1 9361 F32C 0A90 30D1 9A0D DC59 sub 1024g/1FC75C99 2001-12-12 --Bn2rw/3z4jIqBvZU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8cYTzCpAw0ZoN3FkRAknOAKC1+V7xVsquSOIQ61sL4vdixuWpEgCfZdyP 5mWR+FFFmnVtty7/Rfsrj1U= =kM0B -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Bn2rw/3z4jIqBvZU-- -- __--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 22:21:41 -0600 To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org From: Scott Raun <sraun at fireopal.org> Subject: [TCLUG] Making POP3 Work Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org OK, I got a telnet session into port 110, and it claims to be talking. Is there something that I have to do for a user account to be able to access POP3? -- Scott Raun sraun at fireopal.org -- __--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 17:03:34 -0600 From: "Jean Ahles" <Jean.Ahles at us.fortis.com> To: <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #1961 - 14 msgs (OoO - ) Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org I will out of the office February 19th - February 21st, 2002. If this is an Automation emergency, please contact our hotline at x5760, or send a request to "Woodbury Automation". If this is a personal emergency, I can be paged at 651-532-1967. I will respond to your message when I return to the office on Friday, February 22, 2002. Thank you, Jean >>> tclug-list 02/18/02 16:58 >>> Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to tclug-list at mn-linux.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org You can reach the person managing the list at tclug-list-admin at mn-linux.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: IBM history (James Spinti) 2. Re: (rant) tar and `j' and `y' options (Chad C. Walstrom) 3. Re: IBM history (Jay Kline) 4. Re: (rant) tar and `j' and `y' options (Dan Drake) 5. Re: How to play music on Linux box! (Jim Kaufman) 6. Re: How to play music on Linux box! (Ben Lutgens) 7. Re: IBM history (David Dyer-Bennet) 8. Re: How to play music on Linux box! (Daniel Churchill) 9. Re: How to play music on Linux box! (Michael Vieths) 10. Re: How to play music on Linux box! (Dave Sherman) 11. Re: How to play music on Linux box! (James Spinti) 12. Re: How to play music on Linux box! (Kelly Black) 13. Re: How to play music on Linux box! (Ben Lutgens) 14. Re: IBM history (Robert Leduc) -- __--__-- Message: 1 From: "James Spinti" <jspinti at dartdist.com> To: <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] IBM history Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:13:29 -0600 Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org <snip> Selling for as little as $1,565, the PC used an Intel 4.77 megahertz processor and Microsoft's Disk Operating System. The machine offered memory capacities from 16K to 256K and either one or two diskette drives. An expanded system for business with color graphics, two diskette drives and a printer cost about $4,500. <snip> Full height, 160K 5.25" floppy. My first PC was a Heathkit H-100 with dual 8088/8085 so you could use CP/M, since there was so little software for the Z-DOS 1.0 OS. It came with dual 360K drives and my printer had true descenders, too and 192K of system RAM and 64K of video RAM expandable to 192K (at about $100/64K, if you installed it yourself). Ah, yes the good old days...4.77 MHz and considering it fast! Misty eyed, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext. 396 952-368-3255 (fax) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom" <chrome at real-time.com> To: <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 10:11 PM Subject: [TCLUG] IBM history > if this doesn't make your eyes glaze over, you *are* a geek. :) > > http://www-1.ibm.com/ibm/history/reference/faq_0000000011.html > > fascinating stuff. :) > Carl Soderstrom. > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- __--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:16:16 -0600 From: "Chad C. Walstrom" <chewie at wookimus.net> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] (rant) tar and `j' and `y' options Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org --PEIAKu/WMn1b1Hv9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 08:17:58AM -0600, Dan Drake wrote: > Whose bright idea was it to have `j' be the option for handling > bzipped tarballs?=20 There was a conflict with the original GNU tar application binding for bzip2: 'I'. It conflicts with other *NIX/BSD'ish use of that same option. Other characters were suggested, but 'j' was settled upon as the default by the GNU tar maintainers. I'm assuming that Brad at the Math department ran into the same conflict, but instead of following the development discussions on the GNU tar email list, he chose -y because it wasn't being used. This last is just an assumption on my part, but knowing Brad, I don't think it's too far from the truth. --=20 Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net> | a.k.a. ^chewie http://www.wookimus.net/ | s.k.a. gunnarr Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie at wookimus.net) --PEIAKu/WMn1b1Hv9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8cVMADMcLGCBsWv0RAjwPAJsGX2xWyjd4Pfcuu+eRNd2l1B9DbwCdGadj gtfVYbwbrq9F+md/0p1bGEg= =lsn+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --PEIAKu/WMn1b1Hv9-- -- __--__-- Message: 3 From: Jay Kline <list at slushpupie.com> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] IBM history Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:27:02 -0600 Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org On Monday 18 February 2002 12:13 pm, you wrote: > My first PC was a Heathkit H-100 with dual 8088/8085 so you could use CP/M, > since there was so little software for the Z-DOS 1.0 OS. It came with dual > 360K drives and my printer had true descenders, too and 192K of system RAM > and 64K of video RAM expandable to 192K (at about $100/64K, if you > installed it yourself). > > Ah, yes the good old days...4.77 MHz and considering it fast! > Prepare to feel old- the first system I had was a P75 :-) (Though I did use a 386 previously) Jay -- __--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:33:09 -0600 From: Dan Drake <drake+tclug at lemongecko.org> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] (rant) tar and `j' and `y' options Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org --u3/rZRmxL6MmkK24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 18 Feb 2002 at 08:50AM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote: > You forgot I. A number of people favor explicitly piping between tar > and bzip2 simply to avoid the j/y/I issue. Good call. I should teach my fingers to do "bzcat" a bit more often. I'm reminded of von Neumann's remark about math: "In mathematics, you don't understand things, you just get used to them." I suppose *nix is no different. > > It seems like it wouldn't be difficult to extend the `z' option to > > handle bzip2 archives, by simply looking at the file's extensions. Or > > looking at the first bytes of the file and recognizing the binary > > formats. >=20 > For decoding/extracting, that makes good sense. For encoding/ > creating an archive, it would be arguably the Wrong Thing. z =3D gzip, > not bzip2. Ah, I didn't think of that. Yeah, when creating archives I usually use "cf" (that's what my fingers do automatically) and then [g|b]zip the .tar file. What I really want is for tar to read my mind and do things automatically. I'd also appreciate it if tar did my homework for me. And I could go for some pizza right about now: $ tar --order-pizza tar: unrecognized option `--order-pizza' Try `tar --help' for more information. =2E..darn. :) Dan --=20 | 4699 BDCB B1A5 28B6 7F8A F8DF EB6A BC2A B0A1 99BF (GPG) | Dan Drake <drake+tclug at lemongecko.org> | http://lemongecko.org/drake/ | public key: email <drake+gpg at lemongecko.org> --u3/rZRmxL6MmkK24 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8cVb162q8KrChmb8RAl74AJ4mb+jj/T1I+g0pwpcYYt+bGNQf7gCbBGmR 9t99mteRF1hygisRuvW8ayY= =J9xu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --u3/rZRmxL6MmkK24-- -- __--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:41:31 -0600 From: Jim Kaufman <jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] How to play music on Linux box! Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org --BOKacYhQ+x31HxR3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 11:28:12AM -0600, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 11:13:15AM -0600, Jim Kaufman wrote: > > > >It will be a very basic introduction to getting the sound card working > >under Redhat 7.2, using xmms, lame and grip. >=20 > O.k. that will take all of 5 minutes, what do you plan to do for the rest > of the time? :-) >=20 > --=20 > Ben Lutgens http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/=09 > Sistina Software Inc. >=20 > pub 1024D/9A0DDC59 2001-12-12 Ben Lutgens <blutgens at sistina.com> > Key fingerprint =3D 8FCD A1EE CEA7 DEE1 9361 F32C 0A90 30D1 9A0D DC= 59 > sub 1024g/1FC75C99 2001-12-12 Well, the target audience is the TCPC group. They are knowledgeable about PCs, but know little of Linux. I think I can stretch out the talk for at least twenty minutes. Then we can all get a beer. --=20 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list at mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --BOKacYhQ+x31HxR3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8cVjryrIKiW2AJhkRAoGZAKClhNZXZpwsXof03J6fx9dEPfjlPwCguuk6 PosRxVKeWYwBOEGDKdk4s8A= =W5Pm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --BOKacYhQ+x31HxR3-- -- __--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:00:38 -0600 From: Ben Lutgens <blutgens at sistina.com> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] How to play music on Linux box! Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org --9amGYk9869ThD9tj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 01:41:31PM -0600, Jim Kaufman wrote: > >Well, the target audience is the TCPC group. They are knowledgeable >about PCs, but know little of Linux. I think I can stretch out the talk >for at least twenty minutes. Then we can all get a beer. > Why bother? None of those people will use linux anyway. They are "windows" users. There's very little reason for them to switch. --=20 Ben Lutgens http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/=09 Sistina Software Inc. pub 1024D/9A0DDC59 2001-12-12 Ben Lutgens <blutgens at sistina.com> Key fingerprint =3D 8FCD A1EE CEA7 DEE1 9361 F32C 0A90 30D1 9A0D DC59 sub 1024g/1FC75C99 2001-12-12 --9amGYk9869ThD9tj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8cV1mCpAw0ZoN3FkRApjjAJ9M4nJsfCb3qdkE90YtRKPjswlHLwCgnHt7 GF5PdAuWHWkNCAgS6ipkDAM= =PCXk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --9amGYk9869ThD9tj-- -- __--__-- Message: 7 To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] IBM history From: David Dyer-Bennet <dd-b at dd-b.net> Date: 18 Feb 2002 14:31:41 -0600 Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Jay Kline <list at slushpupie.com> writes: > On Monday 18 February 2002 12:13 pm, you wrote: > > My first PC was a Heathkit H-100 with dual 8088/8085 so you could use CP/M, > > since there was so little software for the Z-DOS 1.0 OS. It came with dual > > 360K drives and my printer had true descenders, too and 192K of system RAM > > and 64K of video RAM expandable to 192K (at about $100/64K, if you > > installed it yourself). > > > > Ah, yes the good old days...4.77 MHz and considering it fast! > > > > Prepare to feel old- the first system I had was a P75 :-) > (Though I did use a 386 previously) I feel old. Do you feel young? I owned at least 5 computers before I owned a 386. I worked on at least 8 different *types* of computer before I ever owned a computer. The first computer I programmed did not have any sort of disk drive. It had 20,000 *decimal digits* of magnetic core memory. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b at dd-b.net / Ghugle: the Fannish Ghod of Queries Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/ Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ -- __--__-- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:46:28 -0600 (CST) From: Daniel Churchill <churchid at visi.com> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] How to play music on Linux box! Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 01:41:31PM -0600, Jim Kaufman wrote: > > > >Well, the target audience is the TCPC group. They are knowledgeable > >about PCs, but know little of Linux. I think I can stretch out the talk > >for at least twenty minutes. Then we can all get a beer. > > > > Why bother? None of those people will use linux anyway. They are "windows" > users. There's very little reason for them to switch. > You bother because there are some users who have no experienc with Linx, or who heard a horror story from a friend about some other friend of theirs who tried Linux and couldn't get their sound to work and how it's such a difficult OS to deal with. You bother to show such users that Linux really isn't that difficult. I'ts this sort of cynical "you stay on your side of the fence and I'll stay on mine" attitude that poisons people toward even considering Linux as an alternative, IMHO. Just my $.02. Dan -- __--__-- Message: 9 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:42:58 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Vieths <foeclan at visi.com> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] How to play music on Linux box! Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, Ben Lutgens wrote: > > Why bother? None of those people will use linux anyway. They are "windows" > users. There's very little reason for them to switch. Why does anyone switch? I could do as much on a Windows box with the right tools, but I choose to use Linux. Many of us were one of 'those people' at some point in our lives. We switched, or are switching, for some reason or other. Maybe for somebody it'll be 'Because someone at a PC user's group meeting showed me how'. -- Michael Vieths Foeclan at Visi.com -- __--__-- Message: 10 Subject: Re: [TCLUG] How to play music on Linux box! From: Dave Sherman <dsherman at real-time.com> To: TC-LUG <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> Date: 18 Feb 2002 15:29:28 -0600 Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org --=-Hm4/mIP08yTtjJJiuZv7 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, Ben Lutgens wrote: > Why bother? None of those people will use linux anyway. They are "windows= " > users. There's very little reason for them to switch. Troll!! Dave --=20 Beware the wrath of dragons, for you are crunchy, and good with ketchup. --=-Hm4/mIP08yTtjJJiuZv7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8cXI42Z8cVuWkSnkRAu/5AJ90/wf7QWS+UHejeFcsgvshkgfI2QCbBNja rR/ffUf0T0bQk1vb42Bm9W4= =nm6s -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-Hm4/mIP08yTtjJJiuZv7-- -- __--__-- Message: 11 From: "James Spinti" <jspinti at dartdist.com> To: <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] How to play music on Linux box! Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:37:27 -0600 Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Lutgens" <blutgens at sistina.com> To: <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] How to play music on Linux box! On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 01:41:31PM -0600, Jim Kaufman wrote: > >Well, the target audience is the TCPC group. They are knowledgeable >about PCs, but know little of Linux. I think I can stretch out the talk >for at least twenty minutes. Then we can all get a beer. > Why bother? None of those people will use linux anyway. They are "windows" users. There's very little reason for them to switch. -- Ben Lutgens http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ Sistina Software Inc. Having a bad user day, Ben :( Or just need to stir the pot a bit? check out this link, it could be worse: http://www.ubersoft.net/d/20020212.html or, worse yet: http://www.ubersoft.net/d/20020213.html Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext. 396 952-368-3255 (fax) -- __--__-- Message: 12 From: Kelly Black <kelly-black at mediaone.net> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] How to play music on Linux box! Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:43:14 -0600 Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org I was once one of "those" people. After various os's with Basic and various assembler chunks as the main interface, I went off to do things with DOS and Winders. I since gotten myself right in the head. Although some would question how much. :-) Kelly Black KB0GBJ On Monday 18 February 2002 14:42, you wrote: > On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, Ben Lutgens wrote: > > Why bother? None of those people will use linux anyway. They are > > "windows" users. There's very little reason for them to switch. > > Why does anyone switch? I could do as much on a Windows box with the > right tools, but I choose to use Linux. > > Many of us were one of 'those people' at some point in our lives. We > switched, or are switching, for some reason or other. Maybe for somebody > it'll be 'Because someone at a PC user's group meeting showed me how'. > > -- > Michael Vieths > Foeclan at Visi.com > -- __--__-- Message: 13 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:05:26 -0600 From: Ben Lutgens <blutgens at sistina.com> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] How to play music on Linux box! Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 03:37:27PM -0600, James Spinti wrote: >Having a bad user day, Ben :( Or just need to stir the pot a bit? Neither, i just think we shouldn't push people to try linux. Let them discover it on thier own. Otherwise, inevitably they'll have a hard time then they'll tell everyone they know that it sucks (which wouldn't be totally unreasonable since it would be thier opinion) Further, most people have no business using it. I'd never expect my mom to use it, or my sister or brother for that matter. They aren't into this sort of thing. --=20 Ben Lutgens http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/=09 Sistina Software Inc. pub 1024D/9A0DDC59 2001-12-12 Ben Lutgens <blutgens at sistina.com> Key fingerprint =3D 8FCD A1EE CEA7 DEE1 9361 F32C 0A90 30D1 9A0D DC59 sub 1024g/1FC75C99 2001-12-12 --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8cXqmCpAw0ZoN3FkRAilSAJ0Sy2FyzwqkI4htHSi8TlZtYAzA8gCfQwfg Qqc3Z5fBQuTtKanfhjVsvEI= =yhR4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c-- -- __--__-- Message: 14 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:30:38 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Leduc <robertl at ccbr.umn.edu> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] IBM history Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org On 18 Feb 2002, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > Jay Kline <list at slushpupie.com> writes: > > > On Monday 18 February 2002 12:13 pm, you wrote: > > > Ah, yes the good old days...4.77 MHz and considering it fast! > > > > > > > Prepare to feel old- the first system I had was a P75 :-) > > (Though I did use a 386 previously) > > I feel old. > > Do you feel young? > > I owned at least 5 computers before I owned a 386. > I'm old enough to ask if you mean the 386 Intel chip or the old IBM 386 mainframe. 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Thank you ***************************************************************** -- __--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 17:22:52 -0600 (CST) From: Glenn McDavid <gmcdavid at winternet.com> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] IBM history Organization: very little Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org After reading: > The first computer I programmed did not have any sort of disk drive. > It had 20,000 *decimal digits* of magnetic core memory. I immediately thought: That sounds like an IBM 1620. Then I saw the msg was from > David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b at dd-b.net and realized that I had used the same machine at Carleton College. IIRC, the IBM 1130, mentioned on the web page, was marketed in part as a replacement for the 1620. Glenn McDavid mailto:gmcdavid at winternet.com http://www.winternet.com/~gmcdavid -- __--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 17:25:14 -0600 From: "Matthew S. Hallacy" <poptix at techmonkeys.org> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] xf86config Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org On Fri, Feb 15, 2002 at 11:49:01PM -0600, Shawn Fertch wrote: > Cool, this worked. Thanks Matthew. I neglected to write down the > settings of XF86Config when I blew away RH. One question, what is the > ZAxisMapping for? Scroll wheel? However, I did shut off gpm and > uninstalled the package. Yes, ZAxisMapping is for the scrollwheel. > Shawn -- Matthew S. 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