I just embarked in some linux/unix online training. http://www.useractive.com/oreilly/ I got on a deal for half price that ended a few days ago but even at their regular prices it is very competative to the tech/college route. So far I'm learning alot, fast. I'll be putting a linux box into production in an as/400 shop in about four weeks and finaly have a compelling reason to do something I've wanted to do for years. I'm contracting for the installation and setup of the OS and application so it will be going when I get it. Six years ago I was a bindery operator and am now full time manager, administrator, wire puller one-man-show in a shop with 2 as/400s one running a domino mail/web server , 25 win pc users and can tell you there is no glammer in the geek world but some of this stuff is so way cool! kevin