The recent discussion of AT&T and Microsoft reminded me that: I've managed to get a Cisco ubr924 running on AT&T broadband locally, and under my own control (rather than the usual corporate controlled configuration). If anybody is interested, drop me a line off list and I'll provide details. It's not terribly difficult (if you've got inside help). I'm running the full package (NAT, DHCP, Firewall, IPSec) on the router, although it's not all configured yet. Bruce Bruce Broecker Network Comm Supervisor The Toro Company