From tanner at real-time.com Tue Oct 1 00:04:14 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:53 2005 Subject: VLAN support: thread-hijack WAS Re: [TCLUG] web cache abuse In-Reply-To: <1033444728.318.0.camel@tranquility>; from klinej@msoe.edu on Mon, Sep 30, 2002 at 10:58:48PM -0500 References: <1058.204.221.169.6.1033437644.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> <20020930223823.A12137@real-time.com> <1033444728.318.0.camel@tranquility> Message-ID: <20020930234339.B12137@real-time.com> Quoting Kline, Jonathan (klinej@msoe.edu): > Or... Setup the uplink to a tagged vlan, and compile your kernel with > 802 VLAN support, and sniff the vlan on your linux box. Have you done this? It's a cool approach. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From scot at thinkunix.net Tue Oct 1 02:12:11 2002 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux on floppy In-Reply-To: ; from nassarmu@redconcepts.net on Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 09:01:50AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20020923093412.A9206@okane.localnet> Munir Nassar wrote: > On Sun, 22 Sep 2002, Colin Kilbane wrote: > > > actually I dont care if it comes on 20 disks or I guess I could do a > > network install off of a network card. but I dont know exactally how to do > > that. The other thing I am looking for is either a window manager or a > > graphical interface for a mp3 player to run on it. mp3blaster is a nice curses-based interface. http://www.stack.nl/~brama/mp3blaster.html -- -scot From cdf123 at cdf123.com Tue Oct 1 03:22:29 2002 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Job/Proccess Management In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1032792446.2950.14.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> No Problem, I figured it was the mail server. Thought all the "Job" and "Management" entries got caught by some anti-spam control. :) Thanks again everyone for all your help. nohup and screen will work perfectly. Chris Frederick On Sat, 2002-09-21 at 13:21, Chris Combs wrote: > The message is dated 9/19, so it must have gotten stuck in a queue > somewhere. Apologies - crappy mail program displays date received, not timestamp on message. > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Mike Hicks > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 2:05 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Job/Proccess Management _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Tue Oct 1 03:33:01 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux on floppy In-Reply-To: ; from nassarmu@redconcepts.net on Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 09:01:50AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20020923091805.E3718@techmonkeys.org> On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 09:01:50AM -0500, Munir Nassar wrote: > if you need to use X, blackbox is the wm to use, (blackboxwm.sf.net) > > as for good old command line utils for MP3s, mpg123(or mpg321) > > to the best of my knowledge, it does not do playlists, that is why i > always created a directory called playlist and made a whole bunch of > symlinks to the mp3s that i wanted ick. from "mpg123 -h" (fyi, mpg123 is really a symlink to mpg321) --list N or -@ N Use playlist N as list of MP3 files ie: mpg123 -@ playlist.m3u presto. > Munir Nassar -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From austad at signal15.com Tue Oct 1 03:44:22 2002 From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NTFS In-Reply-To: <1033352747.1592.3.camel@herbie.doomnode.net> Message-ID: <4791A2D0-D518-11D6-8E9C-00039395531E@signal15.com> Write support is sketchy. There's an app that you're supposed to run that flags the ntfs system as unlean and forces a disk check when you boot windows. I would stay far away from enabling write support if possible. On Sunday, September 29, 2002, at 09:25 PM, Carl Patten wrote: > On Sun, 2002-09-29 at 20:55, nightcanton@attbi.com wrote: >> Has anyone one successfully able to see an NTFS partiaion in any >> version >> of Linux? Just thought I would ask since I need Linux to see a 100GB >> NTFS partition. >> > > See as in read? Yes, it's been a kernel option for a while and is > pretty stable. > > See as in read and write? It's possible but very dangerous last I > heard. > > > -- > Carl Patten > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From klinej at msoe.edu Tue Oct 1 08:11:17 2002 From: klinej at msoe.edu (Kline, Jonathan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:53 2005 Subject: VLAN support: thread-hijack WAS Re: [TCLUG] web cache abuse In-Reply-To: <20020930234339.B12137@real-time.com> References: <1058.204.221.169.6.1033437644.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> <20020930223823.A12137@real-time.com> <1033444728.318.0.camel@tranquility> <20020930234339.B12137@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1033477014.318.3.camel@tranquility> Yes, but only on Foundry Networks Switches, and there was a somewhat noticable load in the switches, utilization went up to about 70%, but it seemed to work fine. I guess it's what I expected when I was mirroring 100mb of content to a port 2 "routers" away.... Work really really nice. Should also be possible to do with cisco gear, or any other switch that supports port mirroring and vlans. On Mon, 2002-09-30 at 23:43, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Kline, Jonathan (klinej@msoe.edu): > > Or... Setup the uplink to a tagged vlan, and compile your kernel with > > 802 VLAN support, and sniff the vlan on your linux box. > > Have you done this? > > It's a cool approach. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. > Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jonathan Kline Milwaukee School of Engineering klinej@msoe.edu PGP Key fingerprint = 8923 7266 CC84 6D39 6AEA 2313 4241 7851 068E BD2A PGP Key ID = 068EBD2A From cdf123 at cdf123.com Tue Oct 1 11:11:06 2002 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] downloading apps Message-ID: <1033331638.4010.9.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> I've used Getright on M$ machines for quite a while now with much success, just wondering if there is an equivalent for linux. Running on a 56k dial-up with an ISP that likes to kick you every 4-5 hours makes downloading a full distro difficult at best. If I can run it from a command line through the network that would be a great plus. Thanks again Chris Frederick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021001/4535434f/attachment.htm From nightcanton at attbi.com Tue Oct 1 11:13:11 2002 From: nightcanton at attbi.com (Luke Steiner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PDA Message-ID: <000001c2694d$aff0d730$6701a8c0@luke> Has anyone heard of the ability to sync an HP or Compaq PDA with pocket pc, to Linux? Meaning the HP has Pocket PC on it and I wish to sync the PDA with Linux. Take it Easy, Luke -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021001/4305a8d2/attachment.html From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Oct 1 11:17:06 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat on tour Message-ID: Saw this on another list. Anybody interested? Forwarded message follows: This from RedHat's "Under The Brim" newsletter: UNDER THE BRIM CONTEST 36: MAKE IT STOP Led Zeppelin did it. So did Dylan. Rolling Stones still do it and probably should have quit before Keith Richards started looking like that. Now it's our turn. Red Hat is taking the show on the road. Just imagine: Hardcore Red Hat engineers + Large recreational vehicle + Convenience-store diet of non-perishable cheese and pork products + Infrequent personal hygiene resources --------------------- = Hello Cleveland! Rock and Roll!! Now, UTB Contest 36: We're looking for LUGs (Linux User Groups) or schools (universities preferred) to be featured stops on our tour. We'll bring with us computers running the latest Red Hat technology, goodies bearing our logo, and a nothing's-gonna-stop-us-now mentality honed from forced viewings of all 11 seasons of MTV's Road Rules. To enter, compose an email telling us where you are and why we should stop there, and then send it immediately to: feedback@redhat.com Subject line: MAKE IT STOP Prize: Of course, *first* prize is the Red Hat bus stopping at your LUG or school. But for this contest (and in case the most compelling entry is logistically impossible for us to reach by bus) second prize is a virtual visit, where we'll send you a care package that includes Red Hat t-shirts, CDs, caps, and other collectibles. All UTB readers worldwide are eligible and welcome to enter. But our bus isn't a boat. From rpgoldman at real-time.com Tue Oct 1 11:21:18 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NTFS In-Reply-To: <3D97AF26.4030704@attbi.com> References: <3D97AF26.4030704@attbi.com> Message-ID: <15769.46830.562130.882829@tsathoggua.mydomain> I used to use ntfs quite a bit on a RedHat 7.1 install. Seemed to read the disk just fine. I was never brave enough to try to write it. But what version of NTFS are you trying to read? I'm pretty sure that the ntfs mounter that comes with Linux doesn't yet read NTFS 5.0 (the one that's on Windows 2000, and which is probably on XP). Could that be your problem? R From thomas at stderr.net Tue Oct 1 11:27:34 2002 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] downloading apps In-Reply-To: <1033331638.4010.9.camel@laptop.cdf123.com>; from cdf123@cdf123.com on Tue, Oct 01, 2002 at 08:10:59AM -0500 References: <1033331638.4010.9.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Message-ID: <20021001181349.D56732@io.stderr.net> On Tue, Oct 01, 2002 at 08:10:59AM -0500, Chris Frederick wrote: > I've used Getright on M$ machines for quite a while now with much > success, just wondering if there is an equivalent for linux. Running on > a 56k dial-up with an ISP that likes to kick you every 4-5 hours makes > downloading a full distro difficult at best. If I can run it from a > command line through the network that would be a great plus. wget -c It's not as powerful as getright might be, but it gets the job done. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer !(C) Putting the HEST in .COM From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Oct 1 11:28:03 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CD Packet Writing Message-ID: <1033489247.1095.65.camel@3po.thodt.net> This is mostly just FYI, but if anyone else has played around with it, I'd like to know.. I finally got around to trying out some packet-cd patches to the Linux kernel so that I could write to a CD-RW just like another filesystem. Of course, it's still experimental, so it didn't work 100%. I went and downloaded a patch for packet writing from http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/patches/packet/ As far as I can tell, that's not the official site, but I got that location through a post on the packet-writing mailing list http://lists.suse.com/archive/packet-writing/2002-Sep/0012.html Anyway, I applied that patch along with preemtible kernel and low-latency scheduling patches (which might explain some problems ;-) to a Debian kernel source package. I selected what appeared to be appropriate options in the kernel. In particular, I enabled `Packet writing on CD/DVD media' under `Block Devices'. Upon booting, I looked at the fairly sparse documentation for the UDF filesystem tools (udftools in Debian, though I don't know if they're older than what I should be using). There are three or four basic steps to using packet writing at this point: Quick blank/format of the disc: cdrwtools -d /dev/scd0 -q If you compiled support as a module, make sure it's loaded modprobe pktcdvd Associate your CD/DVD burner with a Packet CD/DVD device pktsetup /dev/pktcdvd0 /dev/scd0 Mount the filesystem mount -t udf /dev/pktcdvd0 /mnt At this point I got worried, as I hadn't remembered to enable UDF write support in the kernel configuration. However, I was still able to write to the disc. I'm confused why it worked, I suppose I might have to dig into code at some point. Anyway, I mounted the disk, and saw a good ol' `lost+found' directory, and was able to touch a file or two, and copied a tarball of the linux kernel source to the disk. It all seemed to work fine, though much of the writing seemed to be delayed until I umounted the disc. I think it ran into an error, as the machine froze for a few seconds at one point. After playing around a bit, I tried putting the disc into my DVD-ROM drive to just read it. Doing that was a bad idea, apparently, as attempting to read the disk just caused the kernel to reset the IDE bus over and over until I rebooted the system. After that, I think I was able to read the disc read-only in the CD-RW drive, but it didn't want to mount as read-write again. I just got back to where I was last night, as I had to blank the disc I was using and reformat it (a real pain on a 4x drive). Anyway, something to play with. I wouldn't trust it yet, and it's slower than just creating an ISO image and burning it to CD-RW if you know what you want to write (since you need to (blank,) format, write, as opposed to merely (blank,) write). But it's nice if you're just adding one file at a time (and it's possible to remove stuff, too). However, for people who want a replacement for a floppy, I think it's probably even easier to just get a portable USB mass storage device, like a keychain flash memory drive or a pocket hard drive. Just my opinion.. Well, I've probably wasted enough bandwidth.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Famous last words - Don't / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ worry, I can handle it. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If I can run it > from a command line through the network that would be a great plus. wget can resume for'ya. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From rpgoldman at real-time.com Tue Oct 1 11:37:17 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] capturing streaming real video on linux? Message-ID: <15769.51206.494266.333185@tsathoggua.mydomain> I'm dying to watch some of these new MIT courses on the web, but the lectures are in streaming real player, and the streamer just craps out in the middle all the time, then I get to start over. Is there any way to just sit there and let them stream the stuff at me, until it's all downloaded, then play it back at my leisure? Thanks, R From rpgoldman at real-time.com Tue Oct 1 12:45:42 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] downloading apps In-Reply-To: <20021001181349.D56732@io.stderr.net> References: <1033331638.4010.9.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> <20021001181349.D56732@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <15769.56088.918956.355795@tsathoggua.mydomain> Another option would be ncftp, which has a nice background-get feature. I'm afraid I don't know if it has a good way of resuming an interrupted get, though. R From dante at plethora.net Tue Oct 1 13:17:11 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] downloading apps In-Reply-To: <15769.56088.918956.355795@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Oct 2002 rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > Another option would be ncftp, which has a nice background-get > feature. I'm afraid I don't know if it has a good way of resuming an > interrupted get, though. > It resumes interrupted downloads by default. Really nice program. -- Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net And Carthage must be destroyed! From clay at fandre.com Tue Oct 1 13:56:08 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] capturing streaming real video on linux? In-Reply-To: <15769.51206.494266.333185@tsathoggua.mydomain> References: <15769.51206.494266.333185@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <20021001182855.GE20738@fandre.com> No, steaming media was designed in a way that you can't just download it. (AFAIK) But if it's audio, you can use vsound. http://www.zip.com.au/~erikd/vsound/ On Tue, 01 Oct 2002, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > > I'm dying to watch some of these new MIT courses on the web, but the > lectures are in streaming real player, and the streamer just craps out > in the middle all the time, then I get to start over. > > Is there any way to just sit there and let them stream the stuff at > me, until it's all downloaded, then play it back at my leisure? > > Thanks, > R > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Clay Fandre email: clay at fandre.com Linux junkie... PGP Key ID: 0x50DBBB60 From florin at iucha.net Tue Oct 1 14:15:36 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] capturing streaming real video on linux? In-Reply-To: <20021001182855.GE20738@fandre.com> References: <15769.51206.494266.333185@tsathoggua.mydomain> <20021001182855.GE20738@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20021001190113.GA2931@iucha.net> On Tue, Oct 01, 2002 at 01:28:55PM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > No, steaming media was designed in a way that you can't just download > it. (AFAIK) The closed source client does not offer the opportunity to save it. And there is no open source/free software implementations because of patent issues. But there is nothing inherent in the technology that prevents the recording of a stream and playing it back later. florin > But if it's audio, you can use vsound. > http://www.zip.com.au/~erikd/vsound/ > > On Tue, 01 Oct 2002, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > > > > > I'm dying to watch some of these new MIT courses on the web, but the > > lectures are in streaming real player, and the streamer just craps out > > in the middle all the time, then I get to start over. > > > > Is there any way to just sit there and let them stream the stuff at > > me, until it's all downloaded, then play it back at my leisure? > > > > Thanks, > > R > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > Clay Fandre email: clay at fandre.com > Linux junkie... PGP Key ID: 0x50DBBB60 > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021001/60c7cf12/attachment.pgp From chuckeal at attbi.com Tue Oct 1 18:52:29 2002 From: chuckeal at attbi.com (Chuck) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Promise Ultra 66 Controller Message-ID: <000801c269a6$0b07bfa0$0300a8c0@w2kjoey> Does anyone here know if I can install RH 7.3 on a system that boots to a promise ultra 66 controller card? Thank you Chuck Licha -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021001/85683f5f/attachment.htm From poptix at techmonkeys.org Tue Oct 1 19:47:48 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:54 2005 Subject: VLAN support: thread-hijack WAS Re: [TCLUG] web cache abuse In-Reply-To: <20020930234339.B12137@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Mon, Sep 30, 2002 at 11:43:39PM -0500 References: <1058.204.221.169.6.1033437644.squirrel@support.lctn.k12.mn.us> <20020930223823.A12137@real-time.com> <1033444728.318.0.camel@tranquility> <20020930234339.B12137@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20021001183459.X3718@techmonkeys.org> On Mon, Sep 30, 2002 at 11:43:39PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Have you done this? > > It's a cool approach. > I have, the 802.1q in linux has been great, especially since they actually merged it into the kernel. Make sure you've got a decent network card though. Overall, it works great. > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. > Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From wilson at visi.com Tue Oct 1 21:40:43 2002 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Promise Ultra 66 Controller In-Reply-To: <000801c269a6$0b07bfa0$0300a8c0@w2kjoey> References: <000801c269a6$0b07bfa0$0300a8c0@w2kjoey> Message-ID: <20021002022836.GB6152@isis.visi.com> On Tue, Oct 01, 2002 at 06:55:36PM -0500, Chuck wrote: > Does anyone here know if I can install RH 7.3 on a system that boots to a > promise ultra 66 controller card? It should work. I have an onboard UDMA 100 controller (Promise) and when I installed Debian I had to plug the drives into the standard controller. Once the system was installed, I moved them to the faster one, adjusted the /etc/fstab settings, and modified /etc/lilo.conf to include the line append="ide=reverse" for the kernel image. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From davisn at mailandnews.com Tue Oct 1 21:41:13 2002 From: davisn at mailandnews.com (Nathan Davis) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] downloading apps Message-ID: <002b01c269bb$82165e20$6400a8c0@win98> On the gui side, gftp works quite well. --Nathan Davis -----Original Message----- From: Chris Frederick To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Date: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 11:13 AM Subject: [TCLUG] downloading apps I've used Getright on M$ machines for quite a while now with much success, just wondering if there is an equivalent for linux. Running on a 56k dial-up with an ISP that likes to kick you every 4-5 hours makes downloading a full distro difficult at best. If I can run it from a command line through the network that would be a great plus. Thanks again Chris Frederick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021001/46913fdc/attachment.html From tanner at real-time.com Tue Oct 1 22:27:43 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] downloading apps In-Reply-To: <002b01c269bb$82165e20$6400a8c0@win98>; from davisn@mailandnews.com on Tue, Oct 01, 2002 at 09:29:14PM -0500 References: <002b01c269bb$82165e20$6400a8c0@win98> Message-ID: <20021001221347.A32458@real-time.com> Quoting Nathan Davis (davisn@mailandnews.com): > > On the gui side, gftp works quite well. So does kbear. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From doughanson at attbi.com Tue Oct 1 23:21:03 2002 From: doughanson at attbi.com (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [off subject] Digital Cameras Message-ID: <002101c269c8$06bed2e0$0400a8c0@doug> Hi all :) The family is looking to replace our old Kodak DC50 digital camera with a new one! I am looking for a 2.0+ MP with the average features. Does anyone any one have a biased or unbiased opinion on the current market of cameras in this range? I would like to stay in the $200.00 - $300.00 range. Thanks in advance for the input :) Doug doughanson@attbi.com From webmaster at aardvarko.com Wed Oct 2 03:49:48 2002 From: webmaster at aardvarko.com (Chris Combs) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [off subject] Digital Cameras In-Reply-To: <002101c269c8$06bed2e0$0400a8c0@doug> Message-ID: > The family is looking to replace our old Kodak DC50 digital > camera with > a new one! I am looking for a 2.0+ MP with the average features. Does > anyone any one have a biased or unbiased opinion on the current market of > cameras in this range? I would like to stay in the $200.00 - > $300.00 range. > Thanks in advance for the input :) If you'd like lots of twiddly bits, get a Nikon Coolpix 2500, 885, or 990/995. If you're more of a "click-n-go" sort, then p'haps a Canon Digital Ixus s300 or a Kodak; if you'd like a balance 'tween the two with a slightly clunky interface to boot, try the Olympus C-2020z, 3030z, or 4000/4040z. http://www.dpreview.com will most likely prove useful in your purchasing decision. > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Doug Hanson > Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 11:59 PM > To: TCLUG > Subject: [TCLUG] [off subject] Digital Cameras From jared-linux at mn.rr.com Wed Oct 2 05:47:10 2002 From: jared-linux at mn.rr.com (Jared Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Root enforced screensaver passwords? Message-ID: Does anyone know how to configure a machine such that all users must have a screensaver password? For security purposes, I want to turn on screensaver passwords as root. Thanks, - Jared From scotty at cloudnet.com Wed Oct 2 08:01:57 2002 From: scotty at cloudnet.com (John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [off subject] Digital Cameras In-Reply-To: <002101c269c8$06bed2e0$0400a8c0@doug> References: <002101c269c8$06bed2e0$0400a8c0@doug> Message-ID: <200210021247.g92ClAs23600@tiger.NC_PATHOLOGY> On Tuesday 01 October 2002 10:58 pm, Doug Hanson wrote: > Hi all :) > > The family is looking to replace our old Kodak DC50 digital > camera with a new one! I am looking for a 2.0+ MP with the average > features. Does anyone any one have a biased or unbiased opinion on > the current market of cameras in this range? I would like to stay > in the $200.00 - $300.00 range. Thanks in advance for the input :) > > The Nikon Coolpix 2500 is a very good camera and priced at the top end of your range ($299.99 locally). 3x zoom 2.11 MB. A feature I like a lot is the pivoting lens, this allows you to keep the viewfinder pointed at you all the time. Check it out. I am sure it is at almost any good camera store (that handles "Nikon", and only good camera shops handle "Nikon"). -- cYa John Don't give up. DON'T EVER GIVE UP!!! "Jimmy V" From scot at thinkunix.net Wed Oct 2 09:52:23 2002 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Root enforced screensaver passwords? In-Reply-To: ; from jared-linux@mn.rr.com on Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 03:10:44PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20021002091947.A22409@beck.localnet> I've used xautolock with great success. It works with xlock and xscreensaver. Here's a line from my $HOME/.fvwmrc file: # automatically lock screen after 15 minutes of inactivity # using matrix screen saver Exec "I" exec /usr/X11R6/bin/xautolock -time 15 -locker \ "/usr/X11R6/bin/xlock -mode matrix" & http://freshmeat.net/projects/xautolock/ For consoles (eg, text mode) I use 'vlock -a'. Jared Burns wrote: > Does anyone know how to configure a machine such that all users must have a > screensaver password? For security purposes, I want to turn on screensaver > passwords as root. > > Thanks, > - Jared > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- -scot From cgahlon at citilink.com Wed Oct 2 12:48:57 2002 From: cgahlon at citilink.com (Christopher A. Gahlon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Promise Ultra 66 Controller In-Reply-To: <20021002022836.GB6152@isis.visi.com> References: <000801c269a6$0b07bfa0$0300a8c0@w2kjoey> <20021002022836.GB6152@isis.visi.com> Message-ID: <200210021203.42026.cgahlon@citilink.com> On Tuesday 01 October 2002 09:28 pm, Tim Wilson wrote: > On Tue, Oct 01, 2002 at 06:55:36PM -0500, Chuck wrote: > > Does anyone here know if I can install RH 7.3 on a system that boots > > to a promise ultra 66 controller card? Yep, I've done it. Worked slick. It was a new install so I didn't have to mess with reconfiguring anything but Tim's got it right if you're moving to a new controller. -- Chris MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant / Solitaire Expert f u cn rd ths, u cn gt a gd jb n cmptr prgrmmng. From cgahlon at citilink.com Wed Oct 2 12:53:08 2002 From: cgahlon at citilink.com (Christopher A. Gahlon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apt-get rpm database... Message-ID: <200210021242.53366.cgahlon@citilink.com> I just saw Bob's post about kbear. I've used gftp but it sucks my CPU dead when transferring huge trees and it crashes a lot. :( So being the lazy admin type I did an apt-get kbear. Nothing found. :( So I go looking for the source... A quick search of freshmeat revealed the Kbear project. Bob was nice enough to make a RH7.3 RPM for the world. http://kbear.sourceforge.net/index.php?page=download Thanks Bob! The failed apt-get got me to thinking about building my own extras repository or using someone elses... Using someone else's lead to the question, what else do they have in that repository? And when they update date it, what did they change? Does anyone know of a tool (text or gui) that will let me view the local apt-get database files to see what's available since the last apt-get update? If not does anyone know what format the db files are in? I've looked a little and I can't find anything about that either. -- Chris MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant / Solitaire Expert f u cn rd ths, u cn gt a gd jb n cmptr prgrmmng. From drake at lemongecko.org Wed Oct 2 14:06:47 2002 From: drake at lemongecko.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apt-get rpm database... In-Reply-To: <200210021242.53366.cgahlon@citilink.com>; from cgahlon@citilink.com on Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 12:42:53PM -0500 References: <200210021242.53366.cgahlon@citilink.com> Message-ID: <20021002132001.A22647@lemongecko.org> On Wed, 02 Oct 2002 at 12:42PM -0500, Christopher A. Gahlon wrote: > Does anyone know of a tool (text or gui) that will let me view the local > apt-get database files to see what's available since the last apt-get update? Use aptitude. I really like it (I use it with Debian unstable), although it sometimes needs a little manual apt-get prodding. Dunno if it works for Red Hat or whatever. If it doesn't, perhaps you could upgrade to the One True Distribution. :) Dan -- if the U of M made .sigs: "This .sig under construction, expected completion date: March 2002." From rpgoldman at real-time.com Wed Oct 2 14:14:19 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] capturing streaming real video on linux? In-Reply-To: <20021001190113.GA2931@iucha.net> References: <15769.51206.494266.333185@tsathoggua.mydomain> <20021001182855.GE20738@fandre.com> <20021001190113.GA2931@iucha.net> Message-ID: <15771.16156.249146.49742@tsathoggua.mydomain> Florin Iucha writes: > On Tue, Oct 01, 2002 at 01:28:55PM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > > No, steaming media was designed in a way that you can't just download > > it. (AFAIK) > > The closed source client does not offer the opportunity to save it. And > there is no open source/free software implementations because of patent > issues. > > But there is nothing inherent in the technology that prevents the > recording of a stream and playing it back later. So by this you mean having some application that traps the contents of the real player window and somehow saves it as (for example) mpeg? Anyone know of such an application? vsound does (a more sophisticated version of) this for sound alone, but these MIT lectures are real video. So disappointing --- it's really cool to see Gilbert Strang, but real player just keeps blowing chunks and wedging itself. Bad client, no donut. R From paul at harris.net Wed Oct 2 14:17:07 2002 From: paul at harris.net (Paul Harris) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Digital Cameras Message-ID: <20021002120020.576.h010.c000.wm@mail.harris.net.criticalpath.net> http://www.dcresource.com is a good resource for reading about these things. The biggest hint I've got for quality (build as well as image) is to go with a traditional camera manufacturer such as Nikon, Olmpus or Canon. The cameras already mentioned are all good choices. And if you want a suitable printer the Epson Stylus Photo is the way to go! Cheers, Paul > Hi all :) > > The family is looking to replace our old Kodak DC50 > digital camera with > a new one! I am looking for a 2.0+ MP with the average > features. Does > anyone any one have a biased or unbiased opinion on the > current market of > cameras in this range? I would like to stay in the $200.00 - > $300.00 range. > Thanks in advance for the input :) > > Doug From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Wed Oct 2 15:36:33 2002 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apt-get rpm database... In-Reply-To: <200210021242.53366.cgahlon@citilink.com> References: <200210021242.53366.cgahlon@citilink.com> Message-ID: <20021002141022.A22256@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 12:42:53PM -0500, Christopher A. Gahlon wrote: > Does anyone know of a tool (text or gui) that will let me view the local > apt-get database files to see what's available since the last apt-get update? dselect ;) -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org From tanner at real-time.com Wed Oct 2 15:39:06 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apt-get rpm database... In-Reply-To: <200210021242.53366.cgahlon@citilink.com>; from cgahlon@citilink.com on Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 12:42:53PM -0500 References: <200210021242.53366.cgahlon@citilink.com> Message-ID: <20021002141942.A13610@real-time.com> Quoting Christopher A. Gahlon (cgahlon@citilink.com): > I just saw Bob's post about kbear. I've used gftp but it sucks my CPU dead > when transferring huge trees and it crashes a lot. :( > > So being the lazy admin type I did an apt-get kbear. Nothing found. :( > > So I go looking for the source... > A quick search of freshmeat revealed the Kbear project. > Bob was nice enough to make a RH7.3 RPM for the world. > http://kbear.sourceforge.net/index.php?page=download > > Thanks Bob! > > The failed apt-get got me to thinking about building my own extras repository > or using someone elses... Using someone else's lead to the question, what > else do they have in that repository? And when they update date it, what did > they change? kbear is now in the apt repository at Real Time. http://www.mn-linux.org/members/tanner/downloads/sources.list -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From alcyone at slava.net Wed Oct 2 15:43:26 2002 From: alcyone at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BEERMEETING Message-ID: <20021002192749.GA22501@sadalbari> Friday. Barley John's. 6-8. Everyone welcome. Be there. More info: http://beer.tclug.org Lorry From gimpboy at gimp.gotdns.com Wed Oct 2 15:45:18 2002 From: gimpboy at gimp.gotdns.com (gimp.gotdns.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New to Linux... Message-ID: Hey, I'm new to the whole linux scene and at the age of 16 during a time when open source is starting to get a foot hold, I am wondering about this TCLUG, I would really like to know more about what you guys do and if it is over my head at 16. I am also wondering about how to use Red Hat 8, I just downloaded it and am going to install it tonight but would really like a tutorial about how to use linux and maybe how to set up a gateway server, I have one that hosts and e-mail/http/ftp/print server... The printer is a Lexmark Z51 so I don't know if there are linux drivers but I figured I would tinker with linux on a spair HD and learn it better, and maybe replace Win2000 with it, well mostly... From florin at iucha.net Wed Oct 2 15:46:51 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] capturing streaming real video on linux? In-Reply-To: <15771.16156.249146.49742@tsathoggua.mydomain> References: <15769.51206.494266.333185@tsathoggua.mydomain> <20021001182855.GE20738@fandre.com> <20021001190113.GA2931@iucha.net> <15771.16156.249146.49742@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <20021002194727.GA3363@iucha.net> On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 01:46:52PM -0500, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > Florin Iucha writes: > > On Tue, Oct 01, 2002 at 01:28:55PM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > No, steaming media was designed in a way that you can't just download > > > it. (AFAIK) > > > > The closed source client does not offer the opportunity to save it. And > > there is no open source/free software implementations because of patent > > issues. > > > > But there is nothing inherent in the technology that prevents the > > recording of a stream and playing it back later. > > So by this you mean having some application that traps the contents of > the real player window and somehow saves it as (for example) mpeg? ^^^^^^ stream > Anyone know of such an application? vsound does (a more sophisticated > version of) this for sound alone, but these MIT lectures are real > video. The BFI solution would be to record all the UDP traffic and replay it later. It would be interesting to do as a hacking project. > So disappointing --- it's really cool to see Gilbert Strang, but real > player just keeps blowing chunks and wedging itself. Bad client, no > donut. Bad client, no installation on my systems! florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021002/cab82978/attachment.pgp From peter-clark at bethel.edu Wed Oct 2 16:15:19 2002 From: peter-clark at bethel.edu (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New to Linux... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1033592458.3d9b5e8ac36d4@webmail.acad.bethel.edu> Quoting "gimp.gotdns.com" : > Hey, I'm new to the whole linux scene and at the age of 16 during a time > when open source is starting to get a foot hold, I am wondering about this > TCLUG, I would really like to know more about what you guys do and if it is > over my head at 16. Not at all. It's the best time to start, when you have the time to hack around and have fun with it. As for the group, it's for anybody and everybody. I am also wondering about how to use Red Hat 8, I just > downloaded it and am going to install it tonight but would really like a > tutorial about how to use linux and maybe how to set up a gateway server, I > have one that hosts and e-mail/http/ftp/print server... You're in luck--there's going to be an installfest (where people bring in their computers and install/upgrade/show off their systems) on Oct. 12th in Minneapolis. See http://www.mn-linux.org/installfest/ for details. It's free, and there is plenty of help available should you so need it. But go ahead and install it on your own; it will make for a good experience. > The printer is a > Lexmark Z51 so I don't know if there are linux drivers but I figured I > would > tinker with linux on a spair HD and learn it better, and maybe replace > Win2000 with it, well mostly... I have a Lexmark Z51 and I rue the day that I bought it instead of an HP. Stupid, stupid, stupid. Lexmark, for some incomprehensible reason, has good Linux support for their laser printers but horrible support for their deskjet printers. Under Linux, it only prints in b&w; color gets mangled badly. If you can live without color, it works fine; otherwise, ask for an Epson or HP for Christmas/Hanukkah/Kwanzaa. :Peter From clay at fandre.com Wed Oct 2 16:16:26 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New to Linux... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20021002210710.GB15104@fandre.com> Welcome to the world of Linux. I think the best way to get involved in Linux is to come to the meeting on Saturday and then to the Installfest on the 12th. More info on the website: http://www.mn-linux.org/ BTW, I think Linux has more than a foothold. ;-) On Wed, 02 Oct 2002, gimp.gotdns.com wrote: > Hey, I'm new to the whole linux scene and at the age of 16 during a time > when open source is starting to get a foot hold, I am wondering about this > TCLUG, I would really like to know more about what you guys do and if it is > over my head at 16. I am also wondering about how to use Red Hat 8, I just > downloaded it and am going to install it tonight but would really like a > tutorial about how to use linux and maybe how to set up a gateway server, I > have one that hosts and e-mail/http/ftp/print server... The printer is a > Lexmark Z51 so I don't know if there are linux drivers but I figured I would > tinker with linux on a spair HD and learn it better, and maybe replace > Win2000 with it, well mostly... > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Clay Fandre email: clay at fandre.com Linux junkie... PGP Key ID: 0x50DBBB60 From scot at thinkunix.net Wed Oct 2 16:17:27 2002 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New to Linux... In-Reply-To: ; from gimpboy@gimp.gotdns.com on Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 02:39:34PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20021002161107.A19009@okane.localnet> We have a monthly meeting, the next one is this Saturday. Come on out. Check the website for details. Also we have an installfest planned for Sat Oct 12th. You should try to attend that too. I'm sure you can get most of your questions answered. No age is too young for TCLUG. We're a fun and dynamic group. Come on out, we'd love to meet you! http://www.mn-linux.org/ gimp.gotdns.com wrote: > Hey, I'm new to the whole linux scene and at the age of 16 during a time > when open source is starting to get a foot hold, I am wondering about this > TCLUG, I would really like to know more about what you guys do and if it is > over my head at 16. I am also wondering about how to use Red Hat 8, I just > downloaded it and am going to install it tonight but would really like a > tutorial about how to use linux and maybe how to set up a gateway server, I > have one that hosts and e-mail/http/ftp/print server... The printer is a > Lexmark Z51 so I don't know if there are linux drivers but I figured I would > tinker with linux on a spair HD and learn it better, and maybe replace > Win2000 with it, well mostly... > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- -scot From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Oct 2 16:21:32 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux on floppy In-Reply-To: <20020923145759.GB12880@refried.org>; from nate@refried.org on Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 09:57:59AM -0500 References: <20020923145759.GB12880@refried.org> Message-ID: <20020923153356.F3718@techmonkeys.org> On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 09:57:59AM -0500, nate@refried.org wrote: > I use a playlist daemon called moosic which works pretty well. It's > written in Python so it's easily hackable. I keep 1500+ songs in the > playlist and it only takes up 2M of ram. I'd prefer something that > automatically recycles songs, but since I only have to restart it every > other week, I don't care yet. :) root 7377 2.1 0.4 3520 2224 pts/1 S 11:27 0:0 mpg123 -@ mp3.m3u 7,036 songs in the playlist.. root 7436 2.8 0.2 2284 992 pts/1 S 11:30 0:00 mpg123 -@ mp3.m3u 1,500 songs in the playlist It also supports randomizing the playlist, playing forever.. well, just see the help: Usage: mpg123 [options] file(s) | URL(s) | - Options supported: --verbose or -v Increase verbosity --quiet or -q Quiet mode (no title or boilerplate) --gain N or -g N Set gain (audio volume) to N (0-100) --skip N or -k N Skip N frames into the file --verbose or -v Be more verbose in playing files -o dt Set output devicetype to dt [esd,alsa,arts,sun,oss] --audiodevice N or -a N Use N for audio-out --stdout or -s Use stdout for audio-out --au N Use au file N for output --cdr N Use wave file N for output --wav N or -w N Use wave file N for output --test or -t Test only; do no audio output --list N or -@ N Use playlist N as list of MP3 files --random or -Z Play files randomly until interrupted --shuffle or -z Shuffle list of files before playing -R Use remote control interface --aggressive Try to get higher priority --help or --longhelp Print this help screen --version or -V Print version information > > http://nanoo.org/~daniel/moosic/ > > Nate -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From scot at thinkunix.net Wed Oct 2 17:27:46 2002 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest? In-Reply-To: <20020919142349.J16952@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 02:23:49PM -0500 References: <20020919142349.J16952@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20020923164207.A9070@okane.localnet> Bob, spoke to my boss today. We can use my office, same place as last time for an installfest. I can't do it this weekend but could next weekend, Sat Oct 5th. If that works for you let me know and I'll coordinate with Clay to set it up. Also will you be bringing gladiator? Would save me some time getting up a local ftp server. thanks, Scot 612-312-0172 if you have questions From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Oct 2 19:18:44 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New to Linux... In-Reply-To: <1033592458.3d9b5e8ac36d4@webmail.acad.bethel.edu>; from peter-clark@bethel.edu on Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 04:00:58PM -0500 References: <1033592458.3d9b5e8ac36d4@webmail.acad.bethel.edu> Message-ID: <20021002180529.A3718@techmonkeys.org> On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 04:00:58PM -0500, Peter Clark wrote: > > The printer is a > > Lexmark Z51 so I don't know if there are linux drivers but I figured I > > would > > tinker with linux on a spair HD and learn it better, and maybe replace > > Win2000 with it, well mostly... > > I have a Lexmark Z51 and I rue the day that I bought it instead of an HP. > Stupid, stupid, stupid. Lexmark, for some incomprehensible reason, has good > Linux support for their laser printers but horrible support for their deskjet > printers. Under Linux, it only prints in b&w; color gets mangled badly. If you > can live without color, it works fine; otherwise, ask for an Epson or HP for > Christmas/Hanukkah/Kwanzaa. My girlfriend has the rebranded lexmark Z51 as a compaq something or another, it prints fine in color using LPRng and the lexmark drivers, it also has all the cartridge install/clean/align stuff in there, works fairly well. > :Peter -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From rpgoldman at real-time.com Wed Oct 2 20:33:12 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] capturing streaming real video on linux? In-Reply-To: <20021002194727.GA3363@iucha.net> References: <15769.51206.494266.333185@tsathoggua.mydomain> <20021001182855.GE20738@fandre.com> <20021001190113.GA2931@iucha.net> <15771.16156.249146.49742@tsathoggua.mydomain> <20021002194727.GA3363@iucha.net> Message-ID: <15771.39667.679023.497253@tsathoggua.mydomain> Florin Iucha writes: > On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 01:46:52PM -0500, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > > Florin Iucha writes: > > > On Tue, Oct 01, 2002 at 01:28:55PM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > > No, steaming media was designed in a way that you can't just download > > > > it. (AFAIK) > > > > > > The closed source client does not offer the opportunity to save it. And > > > there is no open source/free software implementations because of patent > > > issues. > > > > > > But there is nothing inherent in the technology that prevents the > > > recording of a stream and playing it back later. > > > > So by this you mean having some application that traps the contents of > > the real player window and somehow saves it as (for example) mpeg? > ^^^^^^ > stream > > Anyone know of such an application? vsound does (a more sophisticated > > version of) this for sound alone, but these MIT lectures are real > > video. > > The BFI solution would be to record all the UDP traffic and replay it > later. It would be interesting to do as a hacking project. [Cool! New (to me) jargonym! The Jargon file comes through: BFI /B-F-I/ n. See brute force and ignorance. Also encountered in the variants `BFMI', `brute force and massive ignorance' and `BFBI' `brute force and bloody ignorance'. In some parts of the U.S. this abbreviation was probably reinforced by a company called Browning-Ferris Industries in the waste-management business; a large BFI logo in white-on-blue could be seen on the sides of garbage trucks.] I'm not sure that the BFI solution would actually work. To make it work, the transaction protocol would have to be stateless enough that the real player's interaction with the far end of the stream wouldn't matter. Not very likely, IMHO. I think it would be easier to trap the contents of the realplayer video window. Not sure how to do that. And you could grab the sound with vsound. Then the sound and the video would almost certainly get out of sync. :-( Oh, yeah. Real player ALREADY lets them get out of sync. And it doesn't recover. Feh. We hates it, my precious. R From rpgoldman at real-time.com Wed Oct 2 21:01:43 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] nautilus Message-ID: <15771.41841.758077.214737@tsathoggua.mydomain> Anyone using this beast? I'm desperate to set up a non-computer person with a desktop on a Mandrake 8.1 system. KDE is ALMOST right --- the desktop's great, but konqueror is totally bagbiting as a file manager (for heaven's sake, to make a new "folder," you gotta go under the Edit menu (which NO ONE uses for that), then open the create new choice, THEN choose directory (which only people like me know is what a folder really is). So... I thought of nautilus. But nautilus thinks star writer documents are zip archives and no matter what I do, I can't change it's mind. I changed the &obscenity "file associations" in the &obscenity "control center" and it doesn't make any &obscenity difference. I HATE GUI's. Give me a CLI any day. This seems like a bug. Have any of you all been using nautilus? Is it buggy or ok? any alternative suggestions for a user friendly file wrangler? Thanks, R Did I mention that I hate GUIs? From jared-linux at mn.rr.com Wed Oct 2 22:06:57 2002 From: jared-linux at mn.rr.com (Jared) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] nautilus In-Reply-To: <15771.41841.758077.214737@tsathoggua.mydomain> References: <15771.41841.758077.214737@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <0959637500203a2FE7@mail7.mn.rr.com> I don't use a file browser (the command-line is faster for most things I do), but I know a Gnome developer who's done a lot of work on Nautilus and he assures me that it is much improved in Gnome 2.0. If you're interested in Mandrake, Gnome 2.0.2 is included in Mandrake 9.0. - Jared On Wednesday 02 October 2002 08:54 pm, you wrote: > Anyone using this beast? > > I'm desperate to set up a non-computer person with a desktop on a > Mandrake 8.1 system. KDE is ALMOST right --- the desktop's great, but > konqueror is totally bagbiting as a file manager (for heaven's > sake, to make a new "folder," you gotta go under the Edit menu (which > NO ONE uses for that), then open the create new choice, THEN choose > directory (which only people like me know is what a folder really > is). > > So... I thought of nautilus. But nautilus thinks star writer > documents are zip archives and no matter what I do, I can't change > it's mind. I changed the &obscenity "file associations" in the > &obscenity "control center" and it doesn't make any &obscenity > difference. I HATE GUI's. Give me a CLI any day. > > This seems like a bug. > > Have any of you all been using nautilus? Is it buggy or ok? > > any alternative suggestions for a user friendly file wrangler? > > Thanks, > R > > Did I mention that I hate GUIs? > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Wed Oct 2 22:07:54 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] capturing streaming real video on linux? In-Reply-To: <15771.39667.679023.497253@tsathoggua.mydomain> References: <15769.51206.494266.333185@tsathoggua.mydomain> <20021001182855.GE20738@fandre.com> <20021001190113.GA2931@iucha.net> <15771.16156.249146.49742@tsathoggua.mydomain> <20021002194727.GA3363@iucha.net> <15771.39667.679023.497253@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <20021003025549.GB3363@iucha.net> On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 08:18:43PM -0500, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > Florin Iucha writes: > > On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 01:46:52PM -0500, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > > > Florin Iucha writes: > > > So by this you mean having some application that traps the contents of > > > the real player window and somehow saves it as (for example) mpeg? > > ^^^^^^ > > stream > > > Anyone know of such an application? vsound does (a more sophisticated > > > version of) this for sound alone, but these MIT lectures are real > > > video. > > > > The BFI solution would be to record all the UDP traffic and replay it > > later. It would be interesting to do as a hacking project. > > I'm not sure that the BFI solution would actually work. To make it > work, the transaction protocol would have to be stateless enough that > the real player's interaction with the far end of the stream wouldn't > matter. Not very likely, IMHO. It is UDP and it is steteless. Otherwise their servers would not scale. The only problem might be if there is a timestamp in the (most likely) encripted packed. But that could be solved by coding a library that would be preloaded for the RealPlayer client and it would serve it with the bogus time. florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Map: http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?country=US&address=215+N+1st+St&city=Minnea+polis&state=MN&zipcode=&homesubmit.x=39&homesubmit.y=11 What to bring: Your computer(s) if you want help installing/configuring your system. Or you can just come to watch or help out others. Bring everything you need since there may not be extras. If you have an extra power-strip if might be a good idea to bring that too. There will be network connections, but there is always a shortage of ports. Please bring switches/hubs. Cost: Completely free, including software and service If you are planning on attending, please register here: http://www.mn-linux.org/installfest/registration.php _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From dsherman at real-time.com Wed Oct 2 22:23:33 2002 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] nautilus In-Reply-To: <15771.41841.758077.214737@tsathoggua.mydomain> References: <15771.41841.758077.214737@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <1033615227.3031.5.camel@dedannshae> On Wed, 2002-10-02 at 20:54, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > > Anyone using this beast? > > I'm desperate to set up a non-computer person with a desktop on a > Mandrake 8.1 system. KDE is ALMOST right --- the desktop's great, but > konqueror is totally bagbiting as a file manager (for heaven's > sake, to make a new "folder," you gotta go under the Edit menu (which > NO ONE uses for that), then open the create new choice, THEN choose > directory (which only people like me know is what a folder really > is). I normally use Gnome, but IIRC, you can right-click pretty much anywhere in the Konqueror window (the right side you're if in split-pane view) and create a new folder/directory that way. > So... I thought of nautilus. But nautilus thinks star writer > documents are zip archives and no matter what I do, I can't change > it's mind. I changed the &obscenity "file associations" in the > &obscenity "control center" and it doesn't make any &obscenity > difference. I HATE GUI's. Give me a CLI any day. Nautilus looks at the file header to determine what file type it is. Open/StarOffice files *are* zip files. Unzip the file, and you get 3 files: one xml, one css, and something else I don't remember at the moment. THere may be a way to disable Nautilus from looking at the file header to determine it's type. Maybe you need to tell it to only look at the file extension? Dunno -- I use gnome-terminal (cd, ls, etc.) for my file manager :-) > This seems like a bug. Not at all. It's a feature :-) > Have any of you all been using nautilus? Is it buggy or ok? From alcyone at slava.net Wed Oct 2 22:46:10 2002 From: alcyone at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] BEERMEETING Message-ID: <20021002192749.GA22501@sadalbari> Friday. Barley John's. 6-8. Everyone welcome. Be there. More info: http://beer.tclug.org Lorry _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Oct 2 23:13:04 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] capturing streaming real video on linux? In-Reply-To: <20021003025549.GB3363@iucha.net> References: <15769.51206.494266.333185@tsathoggua.mydomain> <20021001182855.GE20738@fandre.com> <20021001190113.GA2931@iucha.net> <15771.16156.249146.49742@tsathoggua.mydomain> <20021002194727.GA3363@iucha.net> <15771.39667.679023.497253@tsathoggua.mydomain> <20021003025549.GB3363@iucha.net> Message-ID: <1033618062.14008.28.camel@3po.thodt.net> On Wed, 2002-10-02 at 21:55, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 08:18:43PM -0500, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > > I'm not sure that the BFI solution would actually work. To make it > > work, the transaction protocol would have to be stateless enough that > > the real player's interaction with the far end of the stream wouldn't > > matter. Not very likely, IMHO. > > It is UDP and it is steteless. Otherwise their servers would not > scale. > > The only problem might be if there is a timestamp in the (most likely) > encripted packed. But that could be solved by coding a library that > would be preloaded for the RealPlayer client and it would serve it with > the bogus time. RealPlayer is designed to handle dropped packets, though, which you generally don't want if you are downloading a file. I think it may be possible to force a Real client to use TCP instead of UDP, if you manually configure the transport options on the Transport pane of the Preferences window (just turn off the "attempt to use UDP" option). Forcing TCP to be used might help the client problem you were having, but I've seen streams that still don't work right (or are worse) with things set that way. Some realmedia files are just broken anyway.. I think I saw some utilities to save RTSP streams, though they would only save streams that followed the RTSP standard, which neither Real nor Apple (with Quicktime) do correctly, if I remember right. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Grow your own dope... plant / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ a person. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021002/8130245d/attachment.pgp From jimstreit at northlans.com Wed Oct 2 23:13:40 2002 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (Jim Streit) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Old UPS Message-ID: <1138.192.168.70.25.1033618108.squirrel@www.northlans.com> I'm currently the proud owner of 2 non-functioning rack mount UPS, would anyone like one for anything (parts) before I dispose (recycle) them. The first one, an APC 3000 Smart-Ups. When I plug it in, I get nothing. No lights, beeps or fan movement. I've checked and reset the breaker. I called APC and they think that its a circuitry issue and not the batteries. The reason being, that nothing happens when its plugged in. If it had a bad battery, the fan and lights should still come on. The second one, an APC 600 Smart-Ups. This one looks like it should work, but it displays the "Replace Battery" light and constantly sounds an alarm. From tanner at real-time.com Thu Oct 3 00:49:11 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qworst screwing you again? Message-ID: <20021003002713.P3917@real-time.com> Wanna order DSL connectivity online? https://megawot.uswest.com/order/welcome.asp We're sorry. Your browser is not compatible with this site. If you would like to enter the the Qwest DSLTM Web Ordering Site anyway, click on the Let Me In button below. Please be aware that the site may not operate correctly. Sucks if you are running IE. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From bneigebauer at attbi.com Thu Oct 3 00:49:27 2002 From: bneigebauer at attbi.com (BN) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Old UPS In-Reply-To: <1138.192.168.70.25.1033618108.squirrel@www.northlans.com> Message-ID: <005601c26a9d$b9ab82b0$6462a8c0@slick> I'll put in for the 600. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Jim Streit Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 11:08 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Old UPS I'm currently the proud owner of 2 non-functioning rack mount UPS, would anyone like one for anything (parts) before I dispose (recycle) them. The first one, an APC 3000 Smart-Ups. When I plug it in, I get nothing. No lights, beeps or fan movement. I've checked and reset the breaker. I called APC and they think that its a circuitry issue and not the batteries. The reason being, that nothing happens when its plugged in. If it had a bad battery, the fan and lights should still come on. The second one, an APC 600 Smart-Ups. This one looks like it should work, but it displays the "Replace Battery" light and constantly sounds an alarm. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Thu Oct 3 01:05:08 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qworst screwing you again? In-Reply-To: <20021003002713.P3917@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 12:27:13AM -0500 References: <20021003002713.P3917@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20021003005405.B30640@real-time.com> Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com): > Wanna order DSL connectivity online? > > https://megawot.uswest.com/order/welcome.asp > > We're sorry. Your browser is not compatible with this site. If you would > like to enter the the Qwest DSLTM Web Ordering Site anyway, click on the Let Me > In button below. Please be aware that the site may not operate correctly. > > Sucks if you are running IE. Sucks if you are not running IE. I shouldn't post when I'm tired. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Oct 3 01:09:32 2002 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qworst screwing you again? In-Reply-To: <20021003002713.P3917@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hey, On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > Wanna order DSL connectivity online? > We're sorry. Your browser is not compatible with this site. If you would > like to enter the the Qwest DSLTM Web Ordering Site anyway, click on the Let Me > In button below. Please be aware that the site may not operate correctly. At least they HAVE a "Let Me In" button! A lot of Big Companies will flat-out deny access and there ain't nothing you can do about it (other than change the user-agent, of course). > Sucks if you are running IE. You mean, not running IE? -Yaron -- From austad at signal15.com Thu Oct 3 03:16:02 2002 From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Old UPS In-Reply-To: <005601c26a9d$b9ab82b0$6462a8c0@slick> Message-ID: Note that you don't have to replace the battery with the APC one. If you're bored, and don't care that new battery won't actually fit inside the original case, get a blue top Optima Gel Cell (http://www.optimabatteries.com). It will provide you with more reserve power, and they are indestructable. You'll probably never need to replace it. I had a red top one that was *14* years old, and it started my crappy 83 VW on a -45 degree morning with no problems. The armed forces use only Optima batteries in ALL of their equipment (tanks, hummers, helicopters, etc) I called Optima, and they recommend the blue top batteries for UPS replacement (which are marine batteries). I purchased 24 of them a couple of years ago to replace some bad ones in a bunch of APC UPS's, and they are still humming along like they are brand new. Batteries Plus has them, but you may have to order the blue top one, I've only seen the red top in the store. Jay On Thursday, October 3, 2002, at 12:28 AM, BN wrote: > I'll put in for the 600. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Jim Streit > Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 11:08 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Old UPS > > I'm currently the proud owner of 2 non-functioning rack mount UPS, > would > anyone like one for anything (parts) before I dispose (recycle) them. > > The first one, an APC 3000 Smart-Ups. When I plug it in, I get > nothing. > No lights, beeps or fan movement. I've checked and reset the breaker. > I > called APC and they think that its a circuitry issue and not the > batteries. The reason being, that nothing happens when its plugged in. > If it had a bad battery, the fan and lights should still come on. > > The second one, an APC 600 Smart-Ups. This one looks like it should > work, but it displays the "Replace Battery" light and constantly sounds > an alarm. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Thu Oct 3 03:17:23 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache 2.0 Message-ID: <20020923190556.O32094@real-time.com> Anyone running apache 2.0 ? I've reading all the "press" from the Apache group (almost) begging people to move to 2.0. Myself, like lots of other people are waiting. Mostly because I have 3rd party apps that won't work with 2.0. Anyone running 2.0 and willing to speak at a monthly meeting? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From austad at signal15.com Thu Oct 3 03:45:11 2002 From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] capturing streaming real video on linux? In-Reply-To: <1033618062.14008.28.camel@3po.thodt.net> Message-ID: <3DD9D25C-D6A8-11D6-B797-00039395531E@signal15.com> Try pulling the video via http with wget or something. Try ports 80, 81, or 8080. Real server has a built in http server that will stream the video from a standard http request for users that are behind restrictive firewalls. Just replace the rtsp:// with http:// and add the port after the ip/hostname. On Wednesday, October 2, 2002, at 11:07 PM, Mike Hicks wrote: > On Wed, 2002-10-02 at 21:55, Florin Iucha wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 08:18:43PM -0500, rpgoldman@real-time.com >> wrote: >>> I'm not sure that the BFI solution would actually work. To make it >>> work, the transaction protocol would have to be stateless enough that >>> the real player's interaction with the far end of the stream wouldn't >>> matter. Not very likely, IMHO. >> >> It is UDP and it is steteless. Otherwise their servers would not >> scale. >> >> The only problem might be if there is a timestamp in the (most likely) >> encripted packed. But that could be solved by coding a library that >> would be preloaded for the RealPlayer client and it would serve it >> with >> the bogus time. > > RealPlayer is designed to handle dropped packets, though, which you > generally don't want if you are downloading a file. I think it may be > possible to force a Real client to use TCP instead of UDP, if you > manually configure the transport options on the Transport pane of the > Preferences window (just turn off the "attempt to use UDP" option). > > Forcing TCP to be used might help the client problem you were having, > but I've seen streams that still don't work right (or are worse) with > things set that way. Some realmedia files are just broken anyway.. > > I think I saw some utilities to save RTSP streams, though they would > only save streams that followed the RTSP standard, which neither Real > nor Apple (with Quicktime) do correctly, if I remember right. > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Grow your own dope... plant > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ a person. > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > From jhboricua at jhboricua.org Thu Oct 3 05:43:03 2002 From: jhboricua at jhboricua.org (Jose A. Hernandez) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qworst screwing you again? References: <20021003002713.P3917@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3D9C1C8E.4070403@jhboricua.org> You could always order Covad DSL. IMHO is better than Qwest and you have more choices for ISP, be it Speakeasy, Earthlink, Covad.net, Megapath, etc... I'm very happy with my 1.5Mbps SDSL line from Covad.net. You can see if your line qualifies too at their website: www.covad.net -- Jose A. Hernandez jhboricua@jhboricua.org rsync://rsync.jhboricua.org/gentoo-portage/ From squack at citlink.net Thu Oct 3 07:59:30 2002 From: squack at citlink.net (William Brandt) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Old UPS References: <1138.192.168.70.25.1033618108.squirrel@www.northlans.com> Message-ID: <3D9C3C1A.4010508@citlink.net> I'll take the APC 3000 Smart-Ups if it still up for grabs. William Jim Streit wrote: > I'm currently the proud owner of 2 non-functioning rack mount UPS, would > anyone like one for anything (parts) before I dispose (recycle) them. > > The first one, an APC 3000 Smart-Ups. When I plug it in, I get nothing. > No lights, beeps or fan movement. I've checked and reset the breaker. > I > called APC and they think that its a circuitry issue and not the > batteries. The reason being, that nothing happens when its plugged in. > If it had a bad battery, the fan and lights should still come on. > > The second one, an APC 600 Smart-Ups. This one looks like it should > work, but it displays the "Replace Battery" light and constantly sounds > an alarm. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu Oct 3 08:17:38 2002 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qworst screwing you again? Message-ID: This would piss me off, but I am too busy being pissed off about the MN state departments of Employee Relations and Finance writing IE specific web-apps for paystub viewing and time tracking. Silly me. I was thinking that "webifying" apps was supposed to keep us from requiring the binary application "push it out and start patching" exersize. And if you can't run this app on your platform (for n/a or age reasons), we enter the realm of "substantial additional cost". What a waste... >>> tanner@real-time.com 10/03/02 12:54AM >>> Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com): > Wanna order DSL connectivity online? > https://megawot.uswest.com/order/welcome.asp > We're sorry. Your browser is not compatible with this site. If you would > like to enter the the Qwest DSLTM Web Ordering Site anyway, click on the Let Me > In button below. Please be aware that the site may not operate correctly. Sucks if you are not running IE. From bbaptist at iexposure.com Thu Oct 3 08:58:09 2002 From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] nautilus In-Reply-To: <15771.41841.758077.214737@tsathoggua.mydomain> References: <15771.41841.758077.214737@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <200210030851.31155.bbaptist@iexposure.com> On Wednesday 02 October 2002 08:54 pm, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > Anyone using this beast? > > I'm desperate to set up a non-computer person with a desktop on a > Mandrake 8.1 system. KDE is ALMOST right --- the desktop's great, but > konqueror is totally bagbiting as a file manager (for heaven's > sake, to make a new "folder," you gotta go under the Edit menu (which > NO ONE uses for that), then open the create new choice, THEN choose > directory (which only people like me know is what a folder really > is). Well the first step would be to get her up to a current distribution. I would try Mandrake 9.0. I have had great luck with it myself. > > So... I thought of nautilus. But nautilus thinks star writer > documents are zip archives and no matter what I do, I can't change > it's mind. I changed the &obscenity "file associations" in the > &obscenity "control center" and it doesn't make any &obscenity > difference. I HATE GUI's. Give me a CLI any day. > > This seems like a bug. As others have pointed out, this is a feature of nautilus. > > Have any of you all been using nautilus? Is it buggy or ok? > > any alternative suggestions for a user friendly file wrangler? Try a decent KDE? In mine anywhere I right click the first option in the menu is "Create New..." or "Create Directory" > > Thanks, > R > > Did I mention that I hate GUIs? Yes you did. -- Bret Baptist Systems and Technical Support Specialist bbaptist@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 x17 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services ------------------------------------------ Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday. From natecars at real-time.com Thu Oct 3 09:29:19 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qworst screwing you again? In-Reply-To: <20021003002713.P3917@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > Wanna order DSL connectivity online? > > https://megawot.uswest.com/order/welcome.asp > > We're sorry. Your browser is not compatible with this site. If you > would like to enter the the Qwest DSLTM Web Ordering Site anyway, > click on the Let Me In button below. Please be aware that the site > may not operate correctly. > > Sucks if you are running IE. Works fine with Netscape, but not Mozilla.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Thu Oct 3 09:30:59 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qworst screwing you again? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Yaron wrote: > At least they HAVE a "Let Me In" button! A lot of Big Companies will > flat-out deny access and there ain't nothing you can do about it > (other than change the user-agent, of course). Doesn't work for Mozilla, though. :( Just brings you back to the same page.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Oct 3 10:08:15 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qworst screwing you again? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1033656535.18562.12.camel@3po.thodt.net> On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 09:18, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > > Wanna order DSL connectivity online? > > > > https://megawot.uswest.com/order/welcome.asp [snip] > Works fine with Netscape, but not Mozilla.. Seems to work fine for me with Mozilla and Galeon on Debian .. Perhaps you need JavaScript turned on or something? -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I cannot read or write. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Well, this is on the availability site, not the actual order site. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From dd-b at dd-b.net Thu Oct 3 12:09:03 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qworst screwing you again? In-Reply-To: <3D9C1C8E.4070403@jhboricua.org> References: <20021003002713.P3917@real-time.com> <3D9C1C8E.4070403@jhboricua.org> Message-ID: "Jose A. Hernandez" writes: > You could always order Covad DSL. IMHO is better than Qwest and you > have more choices for ISP, be it Speakeasy, Earthlink, Covad.net, > Megapath, etc... I'm very happy with my 1.5Mbps SDSL line from > Covad.net. You can see if your line qualifies too at their website: > www.covad.net Looks like their comparable service is a lot more expensive than my 768k line from Qwest, though. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu Oct 3 12:41:03 2002 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qworst screwing you again? Message-ID: Yes, but then you have the anticompetitive discount going for you...;-) >>> dd-b@dd-b.net 10/03/02 12:02PM >>> "Jose A. Hernandez" writes: > You could always order Covad DSL. IMHO is better than Qwest and you > have more choices for ISP, be it Speakeasy, Earthlink, Covad.net, > Megapath, etc... I'm very happy with my 1.5Mbps SDSL line from > Covad.net. You can see if your line qualifies too at their website: > www.covad.net Looks like their comparable service is a lot more expensive than my 768k line from Qwest, though. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Oct 3 13:03:02 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qworst screwing you again? In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 09:19:35AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20021003101917.B3718@techmonkeys.org> On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 09:19:35AM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > Doesn't work for Mozilla, though. :( > > Just brings you back to the same page.. Works fine for me. What Mozilla build are you running? > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From kremer at ringworld.org Thu Oct 3 13:40:19 2002 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IDE drives and CPU usage Message-ID: <20021003132401.13b95fab.kremer@ringworld.org> I just moved my system from a SCSI drive to an IDE drive. (I know I'm moving the wrong direction for performance, but I don't care about that right now) All seemed to work out fine. After a bit ot troubleshooting and playing trick-the-grub a bit my system boots and the bootloader even points to a kernel that exists. Now my problem is that since the HDD swap, whenever I have moderate HDD usage, my CPU usage goes to 100%. So far this is what I know: motherboard: soltek SL75DRV2 / Abit KT7 (both thunderbird processors with VIA chipsets) hard drive: IBM 07N9210 (80 gig 7200 rpm IDE) / Maxtor 40 gig 7200 rpm IDE (model 6L040J2 ?) running EXT3 on the drives. behaves the same when the filesystems are mounted as EXT2. running debian with kernel 2.4.19 I tried installing RH7.3 with kernel 2.4.18-10 onto one of the drives and it does not have the same problem there. I would, however, like to contine using debian without having to reinstall the system. Any ideas of what would be causing this behavior? TIA, - Kremer From rpgoldman at real-time.com Thu Oct 3 13:57:53 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] nautilus In-Reply-To: <1033615227.3031.5.camel@dedannshae> References: <15771.41841.758077.214737@tsathoggua.mydomain> <1033615227.3031.5.camel@dedannshae> Message-ID: <15772.37023.994396.47947@tsathoggua.mydomain> Dave Sherman writes: > On Wed, 2002-10-02 at 20:54, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > > > > Anyone using this beast? > > > > I'm desperate to set up a non-computer person with a desktop on a > > Mandrake 8.1 system. KDE is ALMOST right --- the desktop's great, but > > konqueror is totally bagbiting as a file manager (for heaven's > > sake, to make a new "folder," you gotta go under the Edit menu (which > > NO ONE uses for that), then open the create new choice, THEN choose > > directory (which only people like me know is what a folder really > > is). > > I normally use Gnome, but IIRC, you can right-click pretty much anywhere > in the Konqueror window (the right side you're if in split-pane view) > and create a new folder/directory that way. Sadly, I'm trying to set things up for someone who's pretty much a proof of the Apple argument for one-button mice. > > > So... I thought of nautilus. But nautilus thinks star writer > > documents are zip archives and no matter what I do, I can't change > > it's mind. I changed the &obscenity "file associations" in the > > &obscenity "control center" and it doesn't make any &obscenity > > difference. I HATE GUI's. Give me a CLI any day. > > Nautilus looks at the file header to determine what file type it is. > Open/StarOffice files *are* zip files. Unzip the file, and you get 3 > files: one xml, one css, and something else I don't remember at the > moment. THere may be a way to disable Nautilus from looking at the file > header to determine it's type. Maybe you need to tell it to only look at > the file extension? Dunno -- I use gnome-terminal (cd, ls, etc.) for my > file manager :-) > Thanks for the info. Google reveals that this is actually a misfeature of gnome-vfs, rather than a problem with Nautilus per se. Sadly, no one seems to know what to do about it, at least from what I can see on the web discussions. Seems like mime types need SUBtypes.... R From natecars at real-time.com Thu Oct 3 14:14:04 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qworst screwing you again? In-Reply-To: <20021003101917.B3718@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > Works fine for me. What Mozilla build are you running? 1.1.0.. could be that one of the two proxies I am going through is breaking things. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jhboricua at jhboricua.org Thu Oct 3 15:12:31 2002 From: jhboricua at jhboricua.org (Jose A. Hernandez) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qworst screwing you again? References: <20021003002713.P3917@real-time.com> <3D9C1C8E.4070403@jhboricua.org> Message-ID: <3D9C9E93.90208@jhboricua.org> How much is Qwest's 768k line? Is it symmetrical speeds (SDSL) or asymmetrical speeds (ADSL)? What features does it have? -- Jose A. Hernandez jhboricua@jhboricua.org rsync://rsync.jhboricua.org/gentoo-portage/ From veldy at veldy.net Thu Oct 3 16:02:43 2002 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qworst screwing you again? References: <20021003002713.P3917@real-time.com> <3D9C1C8E.4070403@jhboricua.org> <3D9C9E93.90208@jhboricua.org> Message-ID: <007901c26b1c$fe570f90$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> 640K/640K is $66.00 / month from QWest. You are looking at another $40 + from your ISP. The next step up is: 1Mbps/1Mbps for $88.00 / month from QWest and at least $80 + from your ISP. Tom Veldhouse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jose A. Hernandez" To: Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 2:46 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Qworst screwing you again? > How much is Qwest's 768k line? Is it symmetrical speeds (SDSL) or > asymmetrical speeds (ADSL)? What features does it have? > > -- > Jose A. Hernandez > jhboricua@jhboricua.org > rsync://rsync.jhboricua.org/gentoo-portage/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 2853 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021003/6465ba31/smime.bin From thomas at stderr.net Thu Oct 3 16:07:55 2002 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qworst screwing you again? In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 02:08:09PM -0500 References: <20021003101917.B3718@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20021003215933.A450@io.stderr.net> On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 02:08:09PM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > > Works fine for me. What Mozilla build are you running? > > 1.1.0.. could be that one of the two proxies I am going through is > breaking things. I had the exact same problem with 1.1.0 and I don't go through any proxies. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer !(C) Putting the HEST in .COM From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Oct 3 16:09:54 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qworst screwing you again? In-Reply-To: <3D9C9E93.90208@jhboricua.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Jose A. Hernandez wrote: > How much is Qwest's 768k line? Is it symmetrical speeds (SDSL) or > asymmetrical speeds (ADSL)? What features does it have? ADSL, 640Down/256Up for 35/month iirc SDSL is offered in the Business class only Munir Nassar From thomas at stderr.net Thu Oct 3 16:14:03 2002 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] time to upgrade again Message-ID: <20021003223731.A835@io.stderr.net> The Apache Software Foundation has just released a security bulletin for users of both the 1.3 and 2.0 branches. More information on: http://httpd.apache.org/ and http://www.apache.org/dist/httpd/Announcement.html http://www.apache.org/dist/httpd/Announcement2.html -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer !(C) Putting the HEST in .COM From dd-b at dd-b.net Thu Oct 3 16:29:05 2002 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qworst screwing you again? In-Reply-To: <3D9C9E93.90208@jhboricua.org> References: <20021003002713.P3917@real-time.com> <3D9C1C8E.4070403@jhboricua.org> <3D9C9E93.90208@jhboricua.org> Message-ID: "Jose A. Hernandez" writes: > How much is Qwest's 768k line? Is it symmetrical speeds (SDSL) or > asymmetrical speeds (ADSL)? What features does it have? My setup is symmetrical speeds (they're not actually exactly equal, but it's sold as "768k" and both exceed 768k so I have no complaint on that ground). I've got 8 static IPs (optional), and they allow running servers (I'm pushing over 1 gig a *day* in web traffic alone out, last I loooked). It's costing $160/month for everything. Oh, there's an email address associated with it, and they let me set up reverse DNS on the IPs through their web interface, and I have access to a news server that's not 3/4 bad. Maybe not even 1/2 bad. There is probably other stuff they provide that I've never noticed; my tendency is to do everything myself. The email, for example, is just picked up with fetchmail and dumped into my "real" mailbox. It's running through a Cisco 675 router. -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Oct 3 16:31:45 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Registrar and DNS server recommendations In-Reply-To: <20020920080212.B6811@knicknack.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Sep 2002, Eric Stanley wrote: > I'm wondering whether any of you have any recommendations for domain > registration companies and DNS server companies. I'm looking > specifically for those where I can modify my own records. I've looked > briefly on my own, but no one company stands out. Thanks for the > input. i've hd very good luck with godaddy.com From DJWILLENBRIN at stthomas.edu Thu Oct 3 16:32:13 2002 From: DJWILLENBRIN at stthomas.edu (Willenbring, Daniel J.) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Keeping programs running Message-ID: Check out screen. man screen Dan dan@omitted.net -----Original Message----- From: Chris Frederick To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Sent: 9/20/02 8:26 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Keeping programs running I'm wondering how I can run a program from a telnet/ssh session and still have it running after I log off the session. e.g. When I run the following command, it stops as soon as I log out. tree -d /usr > junk & Same with this one. lynx -dump some_50M_file_on_the_net > my_file & So how can I keep something running after I log out? Thanks Chris Frederick From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Oct 3 16:32:40 2002 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Keeping programs running In-Reply-To: <1032528413.10434.13.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> References: <1032528413.10434.13.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Message-ID: <20020920090335.A17083@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Fri, Sep 20, 2002 at 08:26:49AM -0500, Chris Frederick wrote: > I'm wondering how I can run a program from a telnet/ssh session and > still have it running after I log off the session. > > e.g. When I run the following command, it stops as soon as I log out. > tree -d /usr > junk & I think that you just need to redirect input, so the input stream doesn't get cutoff when you logout. Also you probably need to redirect standard error as well. With {t}csh, try: tree -d /usr >& junk Message-ID: Oh great, here we go again. Just have to wait for mod_ssl to be updated... On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Thomas Eibner wrote: > The Apache Software Foundation has just released a security bulletin > for users of both the 1.3 and 2.0 branches. > > More information on: > > http://httpd.apache.org/ > > and > > http://www.apache.org/dist/httpd/Announcement.html > http://www.apache.org/dist/httpd/Announcement2.html > > -- > Thomas Eibner DnsZone > mod_pointer > !(C) > Putting the HEST in .COM > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -Yaron -- From cjc at dobbz.com Thu Oct 3 16:55:29 2002 From: cjc at dobbz.com (Christopher J. Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Registrar and DNS server recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1033681441.1380.29.camel@carlson> For as stupid as their name sounds, I also really like godaddy.com. -cjc On Fri, 2002-09-20 at 08:49, Munir Nassar wrote: > On Fri, 20 Sep 2002, Eric Stanley wrote: > > > I'm wondering whether any of you have any recommendations for domain > > registration companies and DNS server companies. I'm looking > > specifically for those where I can modify my own records. I've looked > > briefly on my own, but no one company stands out. Thanks for the > > input. > > i've hd very good luck with godaddy.com > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Christopher J. Carlson "Those who don't understand http://www.BeerBoys.com UNIX are condemned to c@rlson.net reinvent it, poorly." -- Henry Spencer From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Thu Oct 3 16:56:16 2002 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Keeping programs running In-Reply-To: <1032528413.10434.13.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> References: <1032528413.10434.13.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Message-ID: <20020920140919.GA24668@mail.el-swifto.com> On Fri, Sep 20, 2002 at 08:26:49AM -0500, Chris Frederick wrote: > I'm wondering how I can run a program from a telnet/ssh session and > still have it running after I log off the session. % apt-get -f install screen % man screen -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Mailing List http://www.mn-linux.org Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota irc.openprojects.net #tclug From list-tclug at equis.mnvibe.com Thu Oct 3 17:35:40 2002 From: list-tclug at equis.mnvibe.com (list-tclug) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Registrar and DNS server recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <20020920080212.B6811@knicknack.net> Message-ID: <20021003221159.GB21729@equis.mnvibe.com> > > I'm wondering whether any of you have any recommendations for domain > > registration companies and DNS server companies. I'm looking > > specifically for those where I can modify my own records. I've looked > > briefly on my own, but no one company stands out. Thanks for the > > input. > I use everydns.net for some of my DNS records. Free and very easy to use. -Sam From hoeffner at dcmir.med.umn.edu Thu Oct 3 17:49:40 2002 From: hoeffner at dcmir.med.umn.edu (Ed Hoeffner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Keeping programs running In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi For csh, this should do the trick: nohup tree -d /usr > junk & Ed Hoeffner -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Willenbring, Daniel J. Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 8:57 AM To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Keeping programs running Check out screen. man screen Dan dan@omitted.net -----Original Message----- From: Chris Frederick To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Sent: 9/20/02 8:26 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Keeping programs running I'm wondering how I can run a program from a telnet/ssh session and still have it running after I log off the session. e.g. When I run the following command, it stops as soon as I log out. tree -d /usr > junk & Same with this one. lynx -dump some_50M_file_on_the_net > my_file & So how can I keep something running after I log out? Thanks Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Oct 3 17:55:39 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qworst screwing you again? In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 02:08:09PM -0500 References: <20021003101917.B3718@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20021003163359.C3718@techmonkeys.org> On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 02:08:09PM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > > Works fine for me. What Mozilla build are you running? > > 1.1.0.. could be that one of the two proxies I am going through is > breaking things. > rpm -q mozilla mozilla-1.0.1-24 shrug =) > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From ben_b at ppdonline.com Thu Oct 3 17:59:08 2002 From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Keeping programs running References: Message-ID: <3D8B338F.DD473D80@ppdonline.com> > Look into screen(1). I believe every distro maintains a copy. > It's an extremely useful program. It allows you to detach and reattach > to a session, reconnect from different places, be connected from multiple > terminals, and more. I've been happily using it for over 7 years. :) Wouldn't nohup do what he wants? Ben. From natecars at real-time.com Thu Oct 3 18:26:13 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Registrar and DNS server recommendations In-Reply-To: <20020920080212.B6811@knicknack.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Sep 2002, Eric Stanley wrote: > I'm wondering whether any of you have any recommendations for domain > registration companies and DNS server companies. I'm looking > specifically for those where I can modify my own records. I've looked > briefly on my own, but no one company stands out. Thanks for the > input. As a company, we use Verisign. I personally use GoDaddy.. quite a bit cheaper, and actually responsive. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Oct 3 18:46:41 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IDE drives and CPU usage In-Reply-To: <20021003132401.13b95fab.kremer@ringworld.org> References: <20021003132401.13b95fab.kremer@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <1033688005.18562.21.camel@3po.thodt.net> On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 13:24, Justin Kremer wrote: > I just moved my system from a SCSI drive to an IDE drive. (I know I'm > moving the wrong direction for performance, but I don't care about that > right now) > All seemed to work out fine. After a bit ot troubleshooting and playing > trick-the-grub a bit my system boots and the bootloader even points to a > kernel that exists. Now my problem is that since the HDD swap, whenever I > have moderate HDD usage, my CPU usage goes to 100%. [snip] > running debian with kernel 2.4.19 > I tried installing RH7.3 with kernel 2.4.18-10 onto one of the drives and > it does not have the same problem there. I would, however, like to > contine using debian without having to reinstall the system. > Any ideas of what would be causing this behavior? Debian tries to be a bit safer when it comes to performance settings, so the stock debian kernel will not enable DMA on the hard drive. This massively impacts CPU usage (one of many reasons why IDE used to suck more than...er, let's not go there). You can just turn it on with `hdparm -d1 /dev/hdX' or do `echo using_dma:1 > /proc/ide/hdX/settings'. You need to put this in an init script of some kind if you want this to be a permanent change. Debian provides the `hwtools' package, which provides a nice place to put those commands (/etc/init.d/hwtools). -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I have doobie in my funk / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I pay $10/yr for the domains and zoneedit is free. Highly recommended. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From clay at fandre.com Thu Oct 3 19:55:17 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] removable storage options In-Reply-To: <1032535472.10437.21.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> References: <1032535472.10437.21.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Message-ID: <20020920155753.GG11622@fandre.com> On Fri, 20 Sep 2002, Chris Frederick wrote: > 2. I ran into a neat little toy at CompUSA that uses a Firewire > connection and allows you to basically have an external IDE bay. This > looks promising in that I can get a standard HD (much cheaper than the > USBs, or laptops), and if I needed to do more storage options, any IDE > device would hook up to this. My problem with this is Linux support. > I've never heard of this device before, and I don't know how linux would > use this. Would it be loaded as an IDE bay, or would I have to mess > with FireWire settings and such? A co-worker of mine has the firewire/IDE thingy and he loves it. It uses the firewire drivers and shows up as a SCSI harddrive in Linux. -- Clay From tanner at real-time.com Thu Oct 3 20:39:22 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:44:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qworst screwing you again? In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 10:25:15AM -0500 References: <1033656535.18562.12.camel@3po.thodt.net> Message-ID: <20021003195758.C30640@real-time.com> Quoting Nate Carlson (natecars@real-time.com): > On 3 Oct 2002, Mike Hicks wrote: > > Seems to work fine for me with Mozilla and Galeon on Debian .. > > Perhaps you need JavaScript turned on or something? > > Hrm, weird. I've got all that fun stuff turned on.. still just dumps me > back to the same page when I click 'let me in'. Well, this is on the > availability site, not the actual order site. Is squid munging our user-agent? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Oct 3 20:40:10 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] time to upgrade again In-Reply-To: ; from jethro@freakzilla.com on Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 04:32:23PM -0500 References: <20021003223731.A835@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20021003200329.D30640@real-time.com> Quoting Yaron (jethro@freakzilla.com): > > Oh great, here we go again. > > Just have to wait for mod_ssl to be updated... I'm watching the mod_ssl page. http://www.modssl.org/, if anyone else sees the upgrade, can you post here or jump on irc #tclug, irc.openprojects.net, and let other members know. Thanks. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Oct 3 20:46:02 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gcc-3.2 and RH 7.3 into APT? Message-ID: <20021003202921.F7488@real-time.com> In my work to get KDE-3.0.3 and KDE-3.1 into RPMs for Redhat 7.3, I found the KDE developers constantly telling me to upgrade to gcc-3.2, then tell us if there is a bug. So I did. I've been using gcc-3.2 (and it's deps) for a couple of weeks and have not found any major problems. Before I put gcc-3.2 into the apt tree for Redhat 7.3, I thought I'd post, so people can HoldPkgs on their current gcc releases if they do not want to upgrade to gcc-3.2. Here is a list of package and their deps that are required for a -complete- install of gcc-3.2, you'll want to add any of these package names (without the release info) to your HoldPkgs in your /etc/apt/apt.conf if you do not want them upgraded: binutils-2.13.90.0.2-2.i386.rpm compat-gcc-7.3-2.96.110.i386.rpm compat-gcc-7.3-2.96.110.i386.rpm compat-gcc-c++-7.3-2.96.110.i386.rpm compat-gcc-c++-7.3-2.96.110.i386.rpm compat-gcc-java-7.3-2.96.110.i386.rpm compat-gcc-java-7.3-2.96.110.i386.rpm compat-gcc-objc-7.3-2.96.110.i386.rpm compat-libgcj-7.3-2.96.110.i386.rpm compat-libgcj-7.3-2.96.110.i386.rpm compat-libgcj-devel-7.3-2.96.110.i386.rpm compat-libgcj-devel-7.3-2.96.110.i386.rpm compat-libstdc++-7.3-2.96.110.i386.rpm compat-libstdc++-7.3-2.96.110.i386.rpm compat-libstdc++-devel-7.3-2.96.110.i386.rpm compat-libstdc++-devel-7.3-2.96.110.i386.rpm cpp-3.2-7.i386.rpm gcc-3.2-7.i386.rpm gcc-c++-3.2-7.i386.rpm gcc-gnat-3.2-7.i386.rpm gcc-java-3.2-7.i386.rpm gcc-objc-3.2-7.i386.rpm glibc-2.2.93-5.i386.rpm glibc-common-2.2.93-5.i386.rpm glibc-debug-2.2.93-5.i386.rpm glibc-debug-static-2.2.93-5.i386.rpm glibc-devel-2.2.93-5.i386.rpm glibc-profile-2.2.93-5.i386.rpm glibc-utils-2.2.93-5.i386.rpm libf2c-3.2-7.i386.rpm libgcc-3.2-7.i386.rpm libgcj-3.2-7.i386.rpm libgcj-devel-3.2-7.i386.rpm libgnat-3.2-7.i386.rpm libobjc-3.2-7.i386.rpm libstdc++-3.2-7.i386.rpm libstdc++-devel-3.2-7.i386.rpm -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021003/aedc81dd/attachment.pgp From jhboricua at jhboricua.org Thu Oct 3 20:48:32 2002 From: jhboricua at jhboricua.org (Jose A. Hernandez) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qworst screwing you again? References: <20021003002713.P3917@real-time.com> <3D9C1C8E.4070403@jhboricua.org> <3D9C9E93.90208@jhboricua.org> Message-ID: <3D9CF056.4060602@jhboricua.org> That's pretty cool. However I must point out that Qwest doesn't offer SDSL lines. What they are doing is provisioning the ADSL ports at the same speed up/down. Covad offers both line-sharing ADSL and non line-sharing SDSL lines, which might explain the price difference on the business offerings, but when you factor in that the Covad prices includes everything, even the ISP, is not that far off. Their T1 offering is price-wise pretty good too. I used to have Qwest, but 2 things turned me off them completely. First, I was a early adopter here in MN when they started doing dsl and while the service was awesome, their billing dept. caused me a LOT of grief and took almost a year (and the PUC intervention) to get things straight. Second, a couple of years later I bought my house and ordered their service and by then they had changed their ADSL setup to the G.DMT signal standard instead of the good old CAP setup they had before. Now G.DMT is great, but Qwest had the error-correction feature called interleaving on the cards setup all the way up by default and it was adding 50-60ms of latency to my connection. I was playing MN servers at 80-100 ping when I used to play them in the 20's-30's range. Calling them about it revealed that the Cisco software for the DSLAM's did not allow for the interleaving to be changed. So I cancelled. That was a while ago so I don't know if they have overcome that hurdle. Since you're using a Cisco 675, that tells me you still on a CAP line, so good for you. Pray nothing happens cause you won't get it back, they'll switch you to a DMT setup. Much like you I'm running my own domain at my place on a good ol' AMD K6-2 550Mhz with gentoo on it. I run email, web, ftp and dns servers on it for my domain. I also host a rsync mirror of gentoo's portage. Everything is running with so little effort that you actually wished for something to happen so you don't get bored. Anyway, glad talking to you. -- Jose A. Hernandez jhboricua@jhboricua.org rsync://rsync.jhboricua.org/gentoo-portage/ From bneigebauer at attbi.com Thu Oct 3 21:05:24 2002 From: bneigebauer at attbi.com (BN) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] removable storage options In-Reply-To: <20020920155753.GG11622@fandre.com> Message-ID: <000301c26b47$5ead7030$6462a8c0@slick> Compgeeks is selling a combo FireWire/USB 2.0 drive enclosure (both 3.5" and 5.25" It looks pretty cool too. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Clay Fandre Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 10:58 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] removable storage options On Fri, 20 Sep 2002, Chris Frederick wrote: > 2. I ran into a neat little toy at CompUSA that uses a Firewire > connection and allows you to basically have an external IDE bay. This > looks promising in that I can get a standard HD (much cheaper than the > USBs, or laptops), and if I needed to do more storage options, any IDE > device would hook up to this. My problem with this is Linux support. > I've never heard of this device before, and I don't know how linux would > use this. Would it be loaded as an IDE bay, or would I have to mess > with FireWire settings and such? A co-worker of mine has the firewire/IDE thingy and he loves it. It uses the firewire drivers and shows up as a SCSI harddrive in Linux. -- Clay _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu Thu Oct 3 22:26:09 2002 From: HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu (John Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gentoo install with Compaq SCSI controller Message-ID: I asked about this in #tclug but no one there really knew, but I figured I would ask here as well. The short of it is I attempted installing Gentoo Linux on a [non-Compaq] PC with a Compaq Smart-2SL SCSI controller (4x18.2 GB in RAID0 array, created prior to beginning installation in Windows using Compaq's utility). I did modprobe sr_mod, sd_mod, cpqarray. After doing this, there are no /dev/sd* devices listed, but I get /dev/ida/c0d0 and /dev/rd/0. When I fdisk /dev/ida/c0d0, it gives me "you will not be able to write the partition table", then "Unable to read /dev/ida/c0d0" and exits. fdisk /dev/rd/* (contains rd0-rd15 and initrd) lets me into fdisk, tells me sector size is 1024, not 512 (I think it's actually 128, maybe 512 though) and shows the geometry as 1 head, 22000 sectors, 1 cylinder, so if I create one partition, it ends up being the full amount, since there is only one cylinder. If this doesn't work, I'm just scrapping it and I'll throw the RAID stuff in a windows box, but I'd like to utilize it here if I can. So if anyone can help, I'd appreciate it. -John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021003/bf316187/attachment.html From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri Oct 4 02:47:43 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gcc-3.2 and RH 7.3 into APT? In-Reply-To: <20021003202921.F7488@real-time.com>; from tanner@real-time.com on Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 08:29:21PM -0500 References: <20021003202921.F7488@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20021004013631.E3718@techmonkeys.org> On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 08:29:21PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > In my work to get KDE-3.0.3 and KDE-3.1 into RPMs for Redhat 7.3, I found the > KDE developers constantly telling me to upgrade to gcc-3.2, then tell us if > there is a bug. > > So I did. I've been using gcc-3.2 (and it's deps) for a couple of weeks and have > not found any major problems. > > Before I put gcc-3.2 into the apt tree for Redhat 7.3, I thought I'd post, so > people can HoldPkgs on their current gcc releases if they do not want to upgrade > to gcc-3.2. > > Here is a list of package and their deps that are required for a -complete- > install of gcc-3.2, you'll want to add any of these package names (without the > release info) to your HoldPkgs in your /etc/apt/apt.conf if you do not want them [snip long list] Why not just create another apt source (like the tclug one) for your version(s) of kde? this would keep the 7.3 repository from being tainted by non-redhat packages, as well as allowing people to continue to update those packages you listed to official redhat versions if/when updates are released. > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From tanner at real-time.com Fri Oct 4 09:07:33 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gcc-3.2 and RH 7.3 into APT? In-Reply-To: <20021004013631.E3718@techmonkeys.org>; from poptix@techmonkeys.org on Fri, Oct 04, 2002 at 01:36:31AM -0600 References: <20021003202921.F7488@real-time.com> <20021004013631.E3718@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20021004075059.Z4585@real-time.com> Quoting Matthew S. Hallacy (poptix@techmonkeys.org): > Why not just create another apt source (like the tclug one) for your version(s) > of kde? this would keep the 7.3 repository from being tainted by non-redhat > packages, as well as allowing people to continue to update those packages > you listed to official redhat versions if/when updates are released. It is. I just giving warning that if you have realtime's repository in your sources.list you'll get these files. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From bbaptist at iexposure.com Fri Oct 4 09:27:21 2002 From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qworst screwing you again? In-Reply-To: <3D9CF056.4060602@jhboricua.org> References: <20021003002713.P3917@real-time.com> <3D9CF056.4060602@jhboricua.org> Message-ID: <200210040830.14736.bbaptist@iexposure.com> On Thursday 03 October 2002 08:35 pm, Jose A. Hernandez wrote: Second, a couple of years later I bought my house and ordered > their service and by then they had changed their ADSL setup to the G.DMT > signal standard instead of the good old CAP setup they had before. Now > G.DMT is great, but Qwest had the error-correction feature called > interleaving on the cards setup all the way up by default and it was > adding 50-60ms of latency to my connection. I was playing MN servers at > 80-100 ping when I used to play them in the 20's-30's range. Calling > them about it revealed that the Cisco software for the DSLAM's did not > allow for the interleaving to be changed. So I cancelled. That was a > while ago so I don't know if they have overcome that hurdle. Holy crap! I was always wondering why most of our customers had a 20-30 ms ping and my connection at home was 60-70 ms. I can tell you without a doubt that Qwest has not fixed this problem. Damn this pisses me off. I will have to see what I can do about it, I am sure that it will be an excercise in frustration but it doesn't hurt to try. -- Bret Baptist Systems and Technical Support Specialist bbaptist@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 x17 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services ------------------------------------------ Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday. From veldy at veldy.net Fri Oct 4 09:33:31 2002 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qworst screwing you again? References: Message-ID: <009d01c26bad$2921cb30$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> Not really. They don't offer true SDSL, rather ADSL that is very close to symetric. You can get 640/640 as lowest provisioning for residential DSL. Tom Veldhouse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Munir Nassar" To: Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Qworst screwing you again? > On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Jose A. Hernandez wrote: > > > How much is Qwest's 768k line? Is it symmetrical speeds (SDSL) or > > asymmetrical speeds (ADSL)? What features does it have? > > ADSL, 640Down/256Up for 35/month > > iirc SDSL is offered in the Business class only > > Munir Nassar > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From kent at structural-wood.com Fri Oct 4 09:36:31 2002 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qworst screwing you again? References: Message-ID: <3D9DA442.7050102@structural-wood.com> Contact the state attorney general and send them the web site and your complaint. I did this when the libraries were requiring MS specific software for document download and got a very good response after a bit of a wait. http://www.ag.state.mn.us/ Troy.A Johnson wrote: >This would piss me off, but I am too busy being >pissed off about the MN state departments of >Employee Relations and Finance writing IE >specific web-apps for paystub viewing and >time tracking. > >Silly me. I was thinking that "webifying" apps >was supposed to keep us from requiring the >binary application "push it out and start patching" >exersize. And if you can't run this app on your >platform (for n/a or age reasons), we >enter the realm of "substantial additional cost". > >What a waste... > > > >>>>tanner@real-time.com 10/03/02 12:54AM >>> >>>> >>>> >Quoting Bob Tanner (tanner@real-time.com): > > >>Wanna order DSL connectivity online? >> https://megawot.uswest.com/order/welcome.asp >>We're sorry. Your browser is not compatible with this site. If >> >> >you would > > >>like to enter the the Qwest DSLTM Web Ordering Site anyway, click on >> >> >the Let Me > > >>In button below. Please be aware that the site may not operate >> >> >correctly. >Sucks if you are not running IE. > > > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > From rotbau at squishnet.com Fri Oct 4 09:53:58 2002 From: rotbau at squishnet.com (rotbau) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mod ssl updated Message-ID: <1033742615.1rotbau@squishnet.com> modssl has been updated to 2.8.11 to work with apache 1.3.27. I downloaded it at 9:30 CDT on Friday. Site wasn't too hammered yet. rotbau From christopher at schulte.org Fri Oct 4 09:54:18 2002 From: christopher at schulte.org (Christopher Schulte) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Qworst screwing you again? In-Reply-To: <200210040830.14736.bbaptist@iexposure.com> References: <3D9CF056.4060602@jhboricua.org> <20021003002713.P3917@real-time.com> <3D9CF056.4060602@jhboricua.org> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20021004093543.01aa4540@localhost> At 08:30 AM 10/4/2002 -0500, Bret Baptist wrote: >Holy crap! I was always wondering why most of our customers had a 20-30 ms >ping and my connection at home was 60-70 ms. I can tell you without a doubt >that Qwest has not fixed this problem. Damn this pisses me off. I will have >to see what I can do about it, I am sure that it will be an excercise in >frustration but it doesn't hurt to try. At one point Qwest was saying they were waiting for a 'fix' from Cisco on their dslams, or something like that. From what I hear it's totally repairable by Qwest now(*), they've just made a network wide administrative decision not to change the interleave to lower latency for DMT users. Why? It's a no brainer for them. Only a small percentage of users would even know the difference exists, and even a smaller subset of those users would care. And an even smaller subset of those users care enough to complain or pursue the issue with Qwest. The $$$$ is just not there to change. In fact, the $$$ is there to keep it the same. Supposedly the higher latency either increases the stability of DMT or lets Qwest support more customers with the same infrastructure. Or it has to do with the reach of the DMT lines, or something else. There is a reason. It's just a reason more advanced users don't care for. (*) I have no firsthand knowledge of this, I've pieced it together from people who are actually in the know. The answers tend to change over time, so take this with a grain of salt. >-- >Bret Baptist >Systems and Technical Support Specialist >bbaptist@iexposure.com >Internet Exposure, Inc. >http://www.iexposure.com > >(612)676-1946 x17 >Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services >------------------------------------------ -- Christopher Schulte christopher@schulte.org http://www.schulte.org/ na na nah nah na na nah -Trent Reznor, Nine Inch Nails, Halo 13, the day the world went away From rotbau at squishnet.com Fri Oct 4 09:55:12 2002 From: rotbau at squishnet.com (rotbau) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [OT] Registrar and DNS server recommendations Message-ID: <1033742738.1rotbau@squishnet.com> I use directnic.com for registering my domains and doing my DNS. I have found them to be very responsive and you can do everything through the web interface. $15 a year for domains and $5 a year for DNS hosting. rotbau From tanner at real-time.com Fri Oct 4 12:01:38 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ethereal-0.9.7 in greyhatpak Message-ID: <20021004114922.F13539@real-time.com> Upgraded ethereal to 0.9.7 in the greyhatpak. * Mon Sep 23 2002 Bob Tanner + greyhatpak-0.2-realtime.2 - upgraded ethereal-0.9.7 * Thu Sep 21 2002 Bob Tanner + ethereal-0.9.7-realtime.1 - upgraded to ethereal-0.9.7 The RPM packages have been signed with gnupg and my personal key. To get my personal key: $ gpg --recv-key 2CC1B288 To check my personal key: $ gpg --fingerprint 2CC1B288 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 To check the RPM package: $ rpm --checksig -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021004/39db8cc2/attachment.pgp From amy at real-time.com Fri Oct 4 14:15:19 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] public redhat rsync servers Message-ID: <20021004135230.L13779@real-time.com> Does anyone have a list of public linux rsync servers? I'm currently using ibiblio.org but it recently quit mirroring RH 7.0 & 7.1, which I still need. Thanks. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 524 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021004/0675d9f0/attachment.pgp From jeffr at odeon.net Fri Oct 4 15:26:22 2002 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] removable storage options In-Reply-To: <1032535472.10437.21.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Message-ID: There are many such devices for USB 1.1/2.0 and firewire. Here's a link to a place that sells them online: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?submit=manufactory&catalog=92&manufactory=1281&DEPA=1&sortby=14&order=1 They have models that will hold a 3.5" or a 5.25" EIDE device, as well as smaller models that will hold 2.5" laptop hard drives. www.directron.com most likely has them too. It might be worth checking at General Nanosystems (nanosys1.com) and at Tran Micro (www.tranmicro.com), both of which are on University in Minneapolis. Actually, a quick peek at General Nanosystems website shows that they have the larger ones. http://www.nanosys1.com/storage-usb-firewire-drives.html Looks like about $60 plus the price of the drive. They appear to have a 40 gig Seagate drive for about $70. $130 for a 40 gig USB 2.0 external hard drive isn't bad at all. I have used a USB 1.1 version of this sort of product with linux without trouble. It just looked like a USB storage device to the OS, just like my Sandisk CF card reader. CompUSA can be fun to browse at, but I generally find a better variety of hardware and prices at General Nanosystems or Tran Micro. Jeff On 20 Sep 2002, Chris Frederick wrote: > I'm looking for some removable storage, primarily for distro-isos. I > don't want to store them on the laptop, but I do want to keep them on > some removable device that I can plug into the laptop and transfer the > needed isos. Nows the hard part. I have a couple options that look > promising. > > 1. USB 2.0 hard drive. I'd need to get a pcmcia card for this and > figure out how big a storage unit I would need. I've read the USB 2.0 > support document (thx tim) and other than the support for the actual > pcmcia card, this looks like it could work well with (probably) only > minor issues. > 2. I ran into a neat little toy at CompUSA that uses a Firewire > connection and allows you to basically have an external IDE bay. This > looks promising in that I can get a standard HD (much cheaper than the > USBs, or laptops), and if I needed to do more storage options, any IDE > device would hook up to this. My problem with this is Linux support. > I've never heard of this device before, and I don't know how linux would > use this. Would it be loaded as an IDE bay, or would I have to mess > with FireWire settings and such? > > Just wondering if anyone here has any advice for some removable storage > on a laptop, or just want to share some success/horror stories. > > Thanks again. > Chris Frederick > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From rpgoldman at real-time.com Fri Oct 4 15:29:43 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Keeping programs running In-Reply-To: <1032528413.10434.13.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> References: <1032528413.10434.13.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Message-ID: <15755.25214.215926.53466@tsathoggua.mydomain> Chris Frederick writes: > I'm wondering how I can run a program from a telnet/ssh session and > still have it running after I log off the session. > > e.g. When I run the following command, it stops as soon as I log out. > tree -d /usr > junk & > Same with this one. > lynx -dump some_50M_file_on_the_net > my_file & > Depends on which shell you're using. If you use the csh or tcsh, these programs would keep running by default. For bash, you need to use "nohup" [no hangup]. Check the man page and look for nohup. R From hoeffner at dcmir.med.umn.edu Fri Oct 4 15:54:53 2002 From: hoeffner at dcmir.med.umn.edu (Ed Hoeffner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] removable storage options In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi We just bought a few of these: The SKU numbers for the items you are looking for are PCItoIEEE1394card and FWEX-IBMHD120G . Ed Hoeffner -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of jeffr@odeon.net Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 12:57 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] removable storage options There are many such devices for USB 1.1/2.0 and firewire. Here's a link to a place that sells them online: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?submit=manufactory&catalog=92&manu factory=1281&DEPA=1&sortby=14&order=1 They have models that will hold a 3.5" or a 5.25" EIDE device, as well as smaller models that will hold 2.5" laptop hard drives. www.directron.com most likely has them too. It might be worth checking at General Nanosystems (nanosys1.com) and at Tran Micro (www.tranmicro.com), both of which are on University in Minneapolis. Actually, a quick peek at General Nanosystems website shows that they have the larger ones. http://www.nanosys1.com/storage-usb-firewire-drives.html Looks like about $60 plus the price of the drive. They appear to have a 40 gig Seagate drive for about $70. $130 for a 40 gig USB 2.0 external hard drive isn't bad at all. I have used a USB 1.1 version of this sort of product with linux without trouble. It just looked like a USB storage device to the OS, just like my Sandisk CF card reader. CompUSA can be fun to browse at, but I generally find a better variety of hardware and prices at General Nanosystems or Tran Micro. Jeff On 20 Sep 2002, Chris Frederick wrote: > I'm looking for some removable storage, primarily for distro-isos. I > don't want to store them on the laptop, but I do want to keep them on > some removable device that I can plug into the laptop and transfer the > needed isos. Nows the hard part. I have a couple options that look > promising. > > 1. USB 2.0 hard drive. I'd need to get a pcmcia card for this and > figure out how big a storage unit I would need. I've read the USB 2.0 > support document (thx tim) and other than the support for the actual > pcmcia card, this looks like it could work well with (probably) only > minor issues. > 2. I ran into a neat little toy at CompUSA that uses a Firewire > connection and allows you to basically have an external IDE bay. This > looks promising in that I can get a standard HD (much cheaper than the > USBs, or laptops), and if I needed to do more storage options, any IDE > device would hook up to this. My problem with this is Linux support. > I've never heard of this device before, and I don't know how linux would > use this. Would it be loaded as an IDE bay, or would I have to mess > with FireWire settings and such? > > Just wondering if anyone here has any advice for some removable storage > on a laptop, or just want to share some success/horror stories. > > Thanks again. > Chris Frederick > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Fri Oct 4 16:22:40 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Keeping programs running In-Reply-To: <15755.25214.215926.53466@tsathoggua.mydomain> References: <1032528413.10434.13.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> <15755.25214.215926.53466@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <15774.1280.355862.821398@tsathoggua.mydomain> weird. why did this posting of mine from 20 september just show up in the digest today? R From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri Oct 4 18:32:23 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Keeping programs running In-Reply-To: <15774.1280.355862.821398@tsathoggua.mydomain> References: <1032528413.10434.13.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> <15755.25214.215926.53466@tsathoggua.mydomain> <15774.1280.355862.821398@tsathoggua.mydomain> Message-ID: <20021004232238.GG15765@techmonkeys.org> On Fri, Oct 04, 2002 at 04:15:44PM -0500, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > weird. why did this posting of mine from 20 september just show up in > the digest today? > Impossible, Bob says the mail server is running perfectly, thus, it's your fault. =) > R -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From ming at evil-overlords.com Fri Oct 4 19:35:03 2002 From: ming at evil-overlords.com (ming@evil-overlords.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DNS Stress test Message-ID: <20021005002042.39592.qmail@wm2.netfirms.com> I am looking for a script or util that I can use to simulate a load on a some DNS servers of mine, can anyone point some out or give me hints on making my own script? Thanks in advance. Jason From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Oct 4 20:03:57 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Registrar and DNS server recommendations In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020920101707.034627a8@localhost> References: <20020920080212.B6811@knicknack.net> <20020920080212.B6811@knicknack.net> <5.1.1.6.2.20020920101707.034627a8@localhost> Message-ID: <1032552336.25159.19.camel@3po.dhs.org> I've been thinking of getting a domain name for a while, but never had anywhere to host it. Do these companies being mentioned provide some of the more esoteric domain name services? In addition to the normal hostname/alias and MX record settings, I'd like to be able to play around with IPv6 records, host keys for IPSec, and other things.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Blessed are the pessimists, / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ for they make backups! \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021004/e77bf606/attachment.pgp From myok at ogzr.org Fri Oct 4 20:23:42 2002 From: myok at ogzr.org (Carl Patten) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DNS Stress test In-Reply-To: <20021005002042.39592.qmail@wm2.netfirms.com> References: <20021005002042.39592.qmail@wm2.netfirms.com> Message-ID: <1033779408.2445.12.camel@herbie.doomnode.net> On Fri, 2002-10-04 at 19:20, ming@evil-overlords.com wrote: > > > I am looking for a script or util that I can use to simulate a load > on a some DNS servers of mine, can anyone point some out or give me > hints on making my own script? Thanks in advance. Here's one way to do an endless set of lookups. If you have a list of names and/or IP addresses in "namelist.txt": -- #!/bin/sh while true do for name in `cat namelist.txt` do nslookup $name done done -- The Net::DNS module for Perl is also very useful for scripting this kind of task. A Google search brought up www.dnsstuff.com and www.dnsreport.com which could also help measure your server response under load. -- Carl Patten From waynej at dccmn.com Fri Oct 4 20:24:07 2002 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Old UPS In-Reply-To: <1138.192.168.70.25.1033618108.squirrel@www.northlans.com> Message-ID: <001901c26c0a$149cfa60$0f0101c0@dccmn.com> I had a non-functional APC 2400, no lights, etc. I put a charge in the battery and it worked until the non-functional batteries lost it. Best guess is that a new battery will do the trick, as long as they have a charge. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jim Streit Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 11:08 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Old UPS I'm currently the proud owner of 2 non-functioning rack mount UPS, would anyone like one for anything (parts) before I dispose (recycle) them. The first one, an APC 3000 Smart-Ups. When I plug it in, I get nothing. No lights, beeps or fan movement. I've checked and reset the breaker. I called APC and they think that its a circuitry issue and not the batteries. The reason being, that nothing happens when its plugged in. If it had a bad battery, the fan and lights should still come on. The second one, an APC 600 Smart-Ups. This one looks like it should work, but it displays the "Replace Battery" light and constantly sounds an alarm. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Fri Oct 4 20:27:51 2002 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] quiet PCs Message-ID: <20021005011521.GA28632@isis.visi.com> Hey everyone, I'm sick of my really loud PC on my desk and I'm planning to buy a new case and power supply. I'm thinking about a black Al Lian-Li PC60 case (it'll go oh so nicely with my black SGI flatpanel :-), but I don't know much about the power supplies. PC Power & Cooling Inc. recommends their 275 W ulta-quiet model, but I'm a little concerned that it's underpowered. I don't have a lot of peripherals, however, so I may just be experiencing some Tim Allen style worries. Their 400 W model is almost 2.5x as expensive, however, so I doubt I'll got with that. What do you all think? The power supply specs are at http://www.pcpowercooling.com/products/power_supplies/ultra_quiet/silencers/index_ultraquiet_atx.htm Any other PC quieting tips? I don't know what sort of fans the Lian-Li case might come with, but I'll consider going with different internal and CPU fans if it turns out that they are contributing significantly to the noise. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From florin at iucha.net Fri Oct 4 21:53:10 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] quiet PCs In-Reply-To: <20021005011521.GA28632@isis.visi.com> References: <20021005011521.GA28632@isis.visi.com> Message-ID: <20021005023902.GA560@iucha.net> On Fri, Oct 04, 2002 at 08:15:22PM -0500, Tim Wilson wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I'm sick of my really loud PC on my desk and I'm planning to buy a new > case and power supply. I'm thinking about a black Al Lian-Li PC60 case > (it'll go oh so nicely with my black SGI flatpanel :-), but I don't know > much about the power supplies. > > PC Power & Cooling Inc. recommends their 275 W ulta-quiet model, but I'm > a little concerned that it's underpowered. I don't have a lot of > peripherals, however, so I may just be experiencing some Tim Allen style > worries. Their 400 W model is almost 2.5x as expensive, however, so I > doubt I'll got with that. What do you all think? The power supply specs > are at > http://www.pcpowercooling.com/products/power_supplies/ultra_quiet/silencers/index_ultraquiet_atx.htm > > Any other PC quieting tips? I don't know what sort of fans the Lian-Li > case might come with, but I'll consider going with different internal > and CPU fans if it turns out that they are contributing significantly to > the noise. I'm glad you asked. I just bought from http://www.endpcnoise.com/ a 300W power supply and a case fan. They are awesome. Look for "Ultra Quiet Power Supply 300W". You can hear it only when you are very close to the fan. I can strongly recommend it! florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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At least it wasn't Monday. Anyway back on topic. I never bought the Qwest explanation. The Nokia DSLAM's that Covad uses allow for different interleave levels and also for no interleave at all, which is known as fast path. I find hard to believe that Cisco would lock the interleave settings. Not that I have to worry about that anymore. -- Jose A. Hernandez jhboricua@jhboricua.org rsync://rsync.jhboricua.org/gentoo-portage/ From waynej at dccmn.com Sat Oct 5 02:30:06 2002 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Registrar and DNS server recommendations In-Reply-To: <20020920080212.B6811@knicknack.net> Message-ID: <002301c2610b$db258940$290101c0@dccmn.com> I've used enom.com. No complaints. Updating DNS is fairly easy. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Eric Stanley Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 8:02 AM To: TCLUG List Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Registrar and DNS server recommendations I'm wondering whether any of you have any recommendations for domain registration companies and DNS server companies. I'm looking specifically for those where I can modify my own records. I've looked briefly on my own, but no one company stands out. Thanks for the input. Eric _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From austad at signal15.com Sat Oct 5 04:37:19 2002 From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IDE drives and CPU usage In-Reply-To: <20021003132401.13b95fab.kremer@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <9B0CF68C-D843-11D6-8B92-00039395531E@signal15.com> Sounds like DMA is not enabled for some reason. I've noticed that if you use an add-on IDE pci adapter, sometimes you have to use hdparm to turn dma on. /sbin/hdparm -i /dev/hda This will show you what modes the drive supports and it should have a "*" next to the mode that it's running in. For some reason, mine only shows up to udma2, but I know it supports udma5. The -X option sets the mode. -X66 is udma2, -X67 is udma3, -X68 is udma4 and -X69 is udma5 (ata-100). So if you have ata-100, you can try this: /sbin/hdparm -d1 -X69 /dev/hda You'll have to do this on every boot, so whack it into an rc script or something. Jay On Thursday, October 3, 2002, at 01:24 PM, Justin Kremer wrote: > I just moved my system from a SCSI drive to an IDE drive. (I know I'm > moving the wrong direction for performance, but I don't care about that > right now) > All seemed to work out fine. After a bit ot troubleshooting and > playing > trick-the-grub a bit my system boots and the bootloader even points to > a > kernel that exists. Now my problem is that since the HDD swap, > whenever I > have moderate HDD usage, my CPU usage goes to 100%. > So far this is what I know: > motherboard: soltek SL75DRV2 / Abit KT7 (both thunderbird processors > with > VIA chipsets) > hard drive: IBM 07N9210 (80 gig 7200 rpm IDE) / Maxtor 40 gig 7200 rpm > IDE > (model 6L040J2 ?) > running EXT3 on the drives. behaves the same when the filesystems are > mounted as EXT2. > running debian with kernel 2.4.19 > I tried installing RH7.3 with kernel 2.4.18-10 onto one of the drives > and > it does not have the same problem there. I would, however, like to > contine using debian without having to reinstall the system. > Any ideas of what would be causing this behavior? > TIA, > - Kremer > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Sat Oct 5 04:51:39 2002 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Election Time In-Reply-To: References: <0209231125262H.13023@Dingo> Message-ID: <20020924033443.GA1264@mail.el-swifto.com> On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 06:41:19PM -0500, Christopher J. Carlson wrote: > Tim Pawlenty was the Chief Author of the Internet Privacy Bill > which would make spammers put ADV in the subject (ADV-ADULT for > adult mailings) and impose some pretty impressive fines for those > that didn't. Bah -- subject line tagging is a milquetoast "feel good" solution. Once the email is in the inbox, it's already done half the damage. What I'd like to see is legislation that: - cranks up fines for UBE, period - explicitly categorizes blocklists as protected first amendment expression (no more bogus MAPS lawsuits) - doesn't have exceptions, e.g. nonprofits and political campaigners (don't hold your breath kids) Anything less is just kowtowing to moneyed interests (i.e. the DMA, major political parties, etc.). But (s)he who has the gold, makes the rules these days. My guess is that Independent or Green is going to have the most overlap with free software ideas. Tell you what -- as an experiment I'll volunteer to write to the gubernatorial and senatorial candidates and see what happens. Place your bets. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Mailing List http://www.mn-linux.org Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota irc.openprojects.net #tclug From tanner at real-time.com Sat Oct 5 04:59:57 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest (commit)? Message-ID: <20020923224907.G11476@real-time.com> Several people offered space for the installfest. I'd like someone to commit! :-) I'd like to have an installfest Oct 5, 2002. It's more of a pressing issues since Redhat 8.0 is going to be released (supposedly) tommorrow (09/24). And I want to be able to get disks to everyone. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Oct 5 08:15:58 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest (commit)? In-Reply-To: <20020923224907.G11476@real-time.com> References: <20020923224907.G11476@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20021005124854.GH15765@techmonkeys.org> On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 10:49:07PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: ^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Several people offered space for the installfest. I'd like someone to commit! > :-) > > I'd like to have an installfest Oct 5, 2002. It's more of a pressing issues > since Redhat 8.0 is going to be released (supposedly) tommorrow (09/24). And I > want to be able to get disks to everyone. > Hey, yeah, let's do that today. (Damned leap years going from Sep 24 to October 5th overnight) =) > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Oct 5 11:11:28 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] quiet PCs In-Reply-To: <20021005011521.GA28632@isis.visi.com> References: <20021005011521.GA28632@isis.visi.com> Message-ID: <1033832972.2275.1014.camel@3po.thodt.net> On Fri, 2002-10-04 at 20:15, Tim Wilson wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I'm sick of my really loud PC on my desk and I'm planning to buy a new > case and power supply. I'm thinking about a black Al Lian-Li PC60 case > (it'll go oh so nicely with my black SGI flatpanel :-), but I don't know > much about the power supplies. > > PC Power & Cooling Inc. recommends their 275 W ulta-quiet model, but I'm > a little concerned that it's underpowered. I don't have a lot of > peripherals, however, so I may just be experiencing some Tim Allen style > worries. Their 400 W model is almost 2.5x as expensive, however, so I > doubt I'll got with that. What do you all think? The power supply specs > are at > http://www.pcpowercooling.com/products/power_supplies/ultra_quiet/silencers/index_ultraquiet_atx.htm > > Any other PC quieting tips? I don't know what sort of fans the Lian-Li > case might come with, but I'll consider going with different internal > and CPU fans if it turns out that they are contributing significantly to > the noise. Slashdot just had this article on hard drive performance vs. noise and heat the other day. http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/article/1540/ They really should have put their numbers on a logarithmic scale where they measured noise level. Note that a doubling of pressure will only increase a reading by 2 or 3 dB (of course, if you ask a human to crank a knob until something sounds twice as loud, it's generally more like 4 or 5 dB) In my experience, hard drives and CPU fans tend to produce the most noise in a system. It's probably a good idea to only have one hard drive in a system you want to be quiet. You can look around for quiet fans -- I think General Nanosystems sells some quiet CPU fans. I've also seen "maglev" fans online at places like Cyberguys which don't use any traditional bearings, since the fan is magnetically held in place. Not sure if they're all they're cracked up to be, though. You might consider lining some of the inside of your computer with sound-dampening material. And my final suggestion: never, ever buy a Dell PowerEdge 2650 unless you like to be tortured. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ What are you doing? The / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ message is over. GO AWAY! \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Anyone running 2.0 and willing to speak at a monthly meeting? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sraun at fireopal.org Sat Oct 5 13:23:40 2002 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] quiet PCs In-Reply-To: <20021005011521.GA28632@isis.visi.com> References: <20021005011521.GA28632@isis.visi.com> Message-ID: <20021005180443.GA11712@fireopal.org> On Fri, Oct 04, 2002 at 08:15:22PM -0500, Tim Wilson wrote: > I'm sick of my really loud PC on my desk and I'm planning to buy a new > case and power supply. I'm thinking about a black Al Lian-Li PC60 case > (it'll go oh so nicely with my black SGI flatpanel :-), but I don't know > much about the power supplies. You might take a look at this: http://tuxedo.org/~esr/writings/ultimate-linux-box/ : The Ultimate Linux Box : : This page collects my writings on building custom personal : computers for use as Linux machines. : : Here is the original December 1996 article. This one focused : on building low-cost hardware. : : Here is the Ultimate Linux Box 2001 article. This was published, : in a rather mangled and compressed form, in October 2001. : : Here is an update of the 2001 article. The 2001 version included attempts to hold noise down to a minimum. -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From thomas at stderr.net Sat Oct 5 14:42:53 2002 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apache 2.0 In-Reply-To: ; from troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us on Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 08:58:59AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20021005212757.A4039@io.stderr.net> On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 08:58:59AM -0500, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > I have compiled on Solaris 2.6 a couple > times and installed it on W2K, but that > was "just for fun" and a little while ago. > Not really enough to talk about. > > I eagerly await "mod_perl 2.0" though. I do to, but it's going to be no where near as stable as mod_perl-1.x and Apache 1.3.x > Is the "per child" MPM working yet? No. And likely wont be for a while. -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer !(C) Putting the HEST in .COM From rpgoldman at real-time.com Sat Oct 5 17:10:06 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Keeping programs running In-Reply-To: <20021004232238.GG15765@techmonkeys.org> References: <1032528413.10434.13.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> <15755.25214.215926.53466@tsathoggua.mydomain> <15774.1280.355862.821398@tsathoggua.mydomain> <20021004232238.GG15765@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <15775.24932.364213.550148@tsathoggua.mydomain> Matthew S. Hallacy writes: > On Fri, Oct 04, 2002 at 04:15:44PM -0500, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > > weird. why did this posting of mine from 20 september just show up in > > the digest today? > > > > Impossible, Bob says the mail server is running perfectly, thus, it's > your fault. =) Duly noted. I'll beat myself senseless. :-) R From burns at runbox.com Sat Oct 5 18:08:26 2002 From: burns at runbox.com (R Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Clipboard? Message-ID: <200210051732.34189.burns@runbox.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 I'm very new to Linux. I have Red Hat 7.3 installed (with Gnome and KDE). I've noticed that across SOME applications, copy and paste works, and across others, it doesn't. Is there any rule that applies, and is there anything like the Windows "clipboard" or the equivalent (if I knew what I was doing). Thanks, Randy Burns -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Keys- http://www.geocities.com/burns98/rb_pub_keys.txt iD8DBQE9n2gghNLaTSzsrh8RA1byAJ4iQS9dUTPw9RTP/XNowrC/ncBuqgCguL8t GGsmJLwecLZW40FbjuQBOuw= =GNkT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From peter-clark at bethel.edu Sat Oct 5 20:26:20 2002 From: peter-clark at bethel.edu (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gradebook software and hardware recommendation Message-ID: <1033861412.3d9f7924955df@webmail.acad.bethel.edu> A friend of my wife asked me to build her a home system, which I'm in the process of pricing out. She's a teacher and uses "Making the Grade" (http://www.gradebusters.com/software.htm) for the Mac on her school computer. Now, while she intends to use her home computer for the internet and word processing, it would be nice if she could also work on the grades at home. After googling around some, most of the Linux gradebook software is either no longer in development or is some half-baked project that doesn't compare with the existing Mac and Windows software. Can anyone recommend a gradebook program with a reasonably complete set of features that can import "Making the Grade" files? Or, barring that, one that would work on both Mac (Classic) and Linux? Also, I thought I would run this by the group before making any final purchases. I'm thinking of buying an Amptron K7-810XLM SIS730 motherboard (http://nanosys1.com/mb-am-k7-810xlm.html) since it includes both the graphics chipset and a built-in modem. True, the modem is pretty much a winmodem, but apparently there are drivers for Linux. The reviews I've read have said that the 3d graphic capabilities suck, but I doubt she'll be playing Q3 any time soon. From peter-clark at bethel.edu Sat Oct 5 20:46:03 2002 From: peter-clark at bethel.edu (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Clipboard? In-Reply-To: <200210051732.34189.burns@runbox.com> References: <200210051732.34189.burns@runbox.com> Message-ID: <1033862413.3d9f7d0d7b4c4@webmail.acad.bethel.edu> > I'm very new to Linux. I have Red Hat 7.3 installed (with Gnome and KDE). > > I've noticed that across SOME applications, copy and paste works, and > across others, it doesn't. Is there any rule that applies, and is there > anything like the Windows "clipboard" or the equivalent (if I knew what I > was doing). It would help if you could mention which programs do not work. Many of the older programs have this problem, and the 2.0-2.2 versions of KDE had trouble correctly pasting to GNOME programs. However, as of KDE3, this has all gone away. (I don't know what version of KDE RH 7.3 uses.) In the meantime, there is a universal copy-paste method that, in the long run, you will use just about all the time because it is so much quicker and easier. Highlight the text you want to copy, move to the window that you want to paste the text in, and press the middle mouse button. (If you only have a two-button mouse, you can emulate a third button by pressing both the right and left buttons at the same time.) Voil?! Technically, X has two "clipboards." One is for the ctrl-c, ctrl-p variety, the other for the highlight-and-middle-mouse-button variety. That way, you can have two different texts stored, which can definitely come in handy at times. I should also note that if you are using KDE2, a "klipper" utility is started in the system tray that was intended to overcome the problem of pasting to GNOME programs. If you are using KDE2, try clicking on it to find out more. :Peter From burns at runbox.com Sat Oct 5 23:53:45 2002 From: burns at runbox.com (R Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Clipboard? Message-ID: <200210052330.35765.burns@runbox.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 > From: Peter Clark > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Clipboard? > Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 19:00:13 -0500 > > > I'm very new to Linux. I have Red Hat 7.3 installed (with Gnome and > KDE). > > > > I've noticed that across SOME applications, copy and paste works, > and > > across others, it doesn't. Is there any rule that applies, and is > there > > anything like the Windows "clipboard" or the equivalent (if I knew > what I > > was doing). > > It would help if you could mention which programs do not work. > Many of the > older programs have this problem, and the 2.0-2.2 versions of KDE had > trouble > correctly pasting to GNOME programs. However, as of KDE3, this has all > gone > away. (I don't know what version of KDE RH 7.3 uses.) > In the meantime, there is a universal copy-paste method that, in > the long > run, you will use just about all the time because it is so much > quicker and > easier. Highlight the text you want to copy, move to the window that > you want to > paste the text in, and press the middle mouse button. (If you only > have a > two-button mouse, you can emulate a third button by pressing both the > right and > left buttons at the same time.) Voil?! I just tried it--pasting between a KDE3 text editor (KWrite) and a non-KDE3 text editor (Nedit). The two-button emulation works. That'll come in very handy. Thanks. > Technically, X has two "clipboards." One is for the ctrl-c, ctrl-p > variety, > the other for the highlight-and-middle-mouse-button variety. That way, > you can > have two different texts stored, which can definitely come in handy at > times. > I should also note that if you are using KDE2, a "klipper" utility > is > started in the system tray that was intended to overcome the problem > of pasting > to GNOME programs. If you are using KDE2, try clicking on it to find > out more. > :Peter > Thanks again, Randy -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Keys- http://www.geocities.com/burns98/rb_pub_keys.txt iD8DBQE9n7uVhNLaTSzsrh8RA/c8AJ9hf0V4U+W5qMpmwGnTRno0TiA/CQCg0OCD ++gT6Vkp9NwhpwHBTS8Lww8= =SmDP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From follower at usfamily.net Sat Oct 5 23:59:58 2002 From: follower at usfamily.net (Fredrick Fleming) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ICQ Message-ID: <02100522594700.00815@localhost.localdomain> I cannot get the licq to work in my computer. Is is set up, but I send messages and no one seem to get them. I am using Mantrake 7.0 Thanks for any help you guys can give. Fredrick ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ From waynej at dccmn.com Sun Oct 6 00:15:43 2002 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Election Time In-Reply-To: <20020924033443.GA1264@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <000001c26cf5$9f700060$0f0101c0@dccmn.com> First, a disclaimer, I've been a Republican activist for many years [he says while getting out the silver flame suit]... I have worked with Norm Coleman and Tim Pawlenty for several years, I can't say I've ever heard their stands on the Open Source Community issues. I started to come up with a list of issues that I could bring to them when I ran into trouble. What are the issues of the Open Source community? Not sure we could all agree what they are. Of course there's the RIAA/NetCaster issue. Lack of progress toward broadband access for rural areas? Gates bashing? I would venture a guess that the Republicans will side with less government, less regulation, less law, in general. Of course there are exceptions, so save your flames. The Democrats will tote their fight for rights, corporation bashing, and special interests. That having been said, I'd be glad to bring a list of questions to my contacts at both campaigns. At least that way I will have some confidence in the answer. A pro-gun rights friend of mine had a conversation with Roger Moe at the State Fair. Mr. Moe was adamant that he was for gun ownership, emphasizing that he had several himself. Knowing his voting record on the issue makes me believe that either he wasn't exactly truthful about his views, or that he was a terrible hypocrite. Halon extinguishers ready... -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of John J. Trammell Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 10:35 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Election Time On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 06:41:19PM -0500, Christopher J. Carlson wrote: > Tim Pawlenty was the Chief Author of the Internet Privacy Bill > which would make spammers put ADV in the subject (ADV-ADULT for > adult mailings) and impose some pretty impressive fines for those > that didn't. Bah -- subject line tagging is a milquetoast "feel good" solution. Once the email is in the inbox, it's already done half the damage. What I'd like to see is legislation that: - cranks up fines for UBE, period - explicitly categorizes blocklists as protected first amendment expression (no more bogus MAPS lawsuits) - doesn't have exceptions, e.g. nonprofits and political campaigners (don't hold your breath kids) Anything less is just kowtowing to moneyed interests (i.e. the DMA, major political parties, etc.). But (s)he who has the gold, makes the rules these days. My guess is that Independent or Green is going to have the most overlap with free software ideas. Tell you what -- as an experiment I'll volunteer to write to the gubernatorial and senatorial candidates and see what happens. Place your bets. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Mailing List http://www.mn-linux.org Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota irc.openprojects.net #tclug _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Sun Oct 6 01:04:36 2002 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gradebook software and hardware recommendation In-Reply-To: <1033861412.3d9f7924955df@webmail.acad.bethel.edu> Message-ID: <000101c26cf7$645e0380$0f0101c0@dccmn.com> My wife's school uses GradeQuick. I think it has both Windows and Mac versions. I started on a Apache/PHP/Postgresql grading program, but gave up when they decided for GradeQuick. Your welcome to what I've got started. You would think a grading program would be a natural for Linux/OpenSource. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Peter Clark Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 6:44 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Gradebook software and hardware recommendation A friend of my wife asked me to build her a home system, which I'm in the process of pricing out. She's a teacher and uses "Making the Grade" (http://www.gradebusters.com/software.htm) for the Mac on her school computer. Now, while she intends to use her home computer for the internet and word processing, it would be nice if she could also work on the grades at home. After googling around some, most of the Linux gradebook software is either no longer in development or is some half-baked project that doesn't compare with the existing Mac and Windows software. Can anyone recommend a gradebook program with a reasonably complete set of features that can import "Making the Grade" files? Or, barring that, one that would work on both Mac (Classic) and Linux? Also, I thought I would run this by the group before making any final purchases. I'm thinking of buying an Amptron K7-810XLM SIS730 motherboard (http://nanosys1.com/mb-am-k7-810xlm.html) since it includes both the graphics chipset and a built-in modem. True, the modem is pretty much a winmodem, but apparently there are drivers for Linux. The reviews I've read have said that the 3d graphic capabilities suck, but I doubt she'll be playing Q3 any time soon. >From what I have been lead to understand, the kernel now has built-in support for SIS730 systems. Words of experience would be welcome. :Peter _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Sun Oct 6 01:16:27 2002 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sgi indy and pc for sale... In-Reply-To: <1033862413.3d9f7d0d7b4c4@webmail.acad.bethel.edu> Message-ID: I have a loaded SGI indy for sale R5000 150 mhz processor 128 megs ram 5 gigs hd external magnito optical drive with lots of disks external scsi zip drive 17 inch sony monitor flatscreen Has IRIX 6.5.12 installed Aksing $200 obo Dell 850 mhz PIII 8.4 hd riva TNT2 ultra 32 meg video or vodoo III card 32x scsi cdrom adaptec scsi 2 adapter nic sound on board + sound blaster 16 for linux two nic cards (3com) the floppy on this unit doesn't work, never needed it.... Asking $200 obo I may have a pair of extra 2 gig hds to throw in too have to test these though... Colin Kilbane From MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com Sun Oct 6 04:12:21 2002 From: MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com (Mark Courtney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux For Playstation 2 Message-ID: <200210060855.g968tpV00888@www.midwestinternetradio.com> Has anyone tried Linux for Playstation 2? Is it worth the $200 for the hardware? It seems like a good way to become a couch potato. Hardware: http://www.us.playstation.com/purchase/hardware/ More Info: http://playstation2-linux.com/ From paul at harris.net Sun Oct 6 07:56:48 2002 From: paul at harris.net (Paul Harris) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: quiet PCs Message-ID: <20021006052611.28767.h015.c000.wm@mail.harris.net.criticalpath.net> I bought a Samsung HD a while back that was advertised as a 'quiet' model (not why I bought it). I was surprised to find that it worked - I had never thought of HDs as loud, but the difference even such a minor thing makes is striking (though I kind of miss the Hamster running round finding my data) Cheers, Paul From rclark at lakesplus.com Sun Oct 6 15:30:55 2002 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel - AMD - Computational Speed? Message-ID: <002f01c26d76$4147d3b0$0201a8c0@office> I just put together a new AMD XP 2100+ system and installed RedHat 7.2 The intent of this machine is heavy computational work (1.5 GB RAM, 80 GB HD, ABIT Motherboard with PC2100 RAM). I have an older Win2000 Machine, dual PIII 700 MHz 1 GB RAM - TYAN Motherboard that I have been using for computational work. I have data from an analysis run on the PIII system (1 CPU) and I just ran that same analysis on the new AMD21+ system. The speed improvement was NOT what I hoped for. PIII 700 MHz 96,360 seconds AMD XP 2100+ 65,040 seconds I do realize that there are operating system issues, etc. ... but with all of that I had anticipated a larger reduction in computational time. The code I am running is a commercial code that is developed to run on both operating systems, so I am fairly sure they work to get the best CPU time on both platforms. I was hoping for something on the order of 1/2 the CPU time - on large computational runs like this every little reduction in time helps. Not being a "kernel" expert by any means ... would it make any sense to recompile the kernel on my new platform, rather than relying on the kernel as loaded from the RH7.2 distribution CDs? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Randy Clarksean, Ph.D., P.E. Leading Technology Designs, Inc. 106 North Boardman Ave. P.O. Box N New York Mills, MN 56567 "Excellence can be attained if you Care more than others think is wise, Risk more than others think is safe, Dream more than others think is practical, and Expect more than others think is possible." - Author Unknown ph: 218-385-3750 fax:218-385-3751 email: rclark@lakesplus.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021006/5bffbc9e/attachment.html From wilson at visi.com Sun Oct 6 17:20:44 2002 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] quiet PCs In-Reply-To: <20021005023902.GA560@iucha.net> References: <20021005011521.GA28632@isis.visi.com> <20021005023902.GA560@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20021006220806.GB15136@isis.visi.com> On Fri, Oct 04, 2002 at 09:39:02PM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > > I just bought from http://www.endpcnoise.com/ a 300W power supply and a > case fan. They are awesome. Look for "Ultra Quiet Power Supply 300W". > > You can hear it only when you are very close to the fan. I just ordered the 300W power supply, case fan, and CPU fan from them. I'll report back to the list when I get them installed. Thanks for the tip! -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From davisn at mailandnews.com Sun Oct 6 19:01:12 2002 From: davisn at mailandnews.com (Nathan Davis) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel - AMD - Computational Speed? Message-ID: <006401c26d80$9cc9af60$6400a8c0@win98> There are a lot of factors that go into CPU efficiency besides processor speed. Perhaps the speedup isn't as large as expected because you are being limited by the memory bus. Personally, I wouldn't trust commercial software to be written well. I can tell you from first hand experience, that just because someone is paid to write software doesn't mean they do a good job -- or even have a clue what's going on. That said, there *are* some high-quality commercial packages out there, just as there are some high-quality open-source packages as well. As for recompiling the kernel, I wouldn't think a CPU-bound process would generally need to make many system calls, so I don't think you would see much difference for this type of application. However, it wouldn't hurt to try it. --Nathan Davis -----Original Message----- From: Randy Clarksean To: tclug Date: Sunday, October 06, 2002 3:32 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel - AMD - Computational Speed? I just put together a new AMD XP 2100+ system and installed RedHat 7.2 The intent of this machine is heavy computational work (1.5 GB RAM, 80 GB HD, ABIT Motherboard with PC2100 RAM). I have an older Win2000 Machine, dual PIII 700 MHz 1 GB RAM - TYAN Motherboard that I have been using for computational work. I have data from an analysis run on the PIII system (1 CPU) and I just ran that same analysis on the new AMD21+ system. The speed improvement was NOT what I hoped for. PIII 700 MHz 96,360 seconds AMD XP 2100+ 65,040 seconds I do realize that there are operating system issues, etc. ... but with all of that I had anticipated a larger reduction in computational time. The code I am running is a commercial code that is developed to run on both operating systems, so I am fairly sure they work to get the best CPU time on both platforms. I was hoping for something on the order of 1/2 the CPU time - on large computational runs like this every little reduction in time helps. Not being a "kernel" expert by any means ... would it make any sense to recompile the kernel on my new platform, rather than relying on the kernel as loaded from the RH7.2 distribution CDs? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Randy Clarksean, Ph.D., P.E. Leading Technology Designs, Inc. 106 North Boardman Ave. P.O. Box N New York Mills, MN 56567 "Excellence can be attained if you Care more than others think is wise, Risk more than others think is safe, Dream more than others think is practical, and Expect more than others think is possible." - Author Unknown ph: 218-385-3750 fax:218-385-3751 email: rclark@lakesplus.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021006/7f82556e/attachment.htm From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sun Oct 6 19:17:41 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel - AMD - Computational Speed? In-Reply-To: <002f01c26d76$4147d3b0$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: On Sun, 6 Oct 2002, Randy Clarksean wrote: > I do realize that there are operating system issues, etc. ... but with all of that I had anticipated a larger reduction in computational time. The code I am running is a commercial code that is developed to run on both operating systems, so I am fairly sure they work to get the best CPU time on both platforms. I was hoping for something on the order of 1/2 the CPU time - on large computational runs like this every little reduction in time helps. > > Not being a "kernel" expert by any means ... would it make any sense to > recompile the kernel on my new platform, rather than relying on the > kernel as loaded from the RH7.2 distribution CDs? Any suggestions would > be greatly appreciated! first of all, you should not be using the stock kernels that came on CD, there were at least 3 upgrades to that kernel, that said here are some reasons: 1. there were some vulnerabilities in the older kernels 2. the kernels that come off of the CD by default are compiled for i386, if you upgrade to something more suitable, like the athlon specific kernel you will see a very noticable improvement so go to ftp://updates.redhat.com/7.2/en/os/athlon/ and get the athlon kernel and while you are at it, get all the updates from the i686 area (glibc, openssl) and install those too, once that is done you can install the updates from the i386 area. Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET From wilson at visi.com Sun Oct 6 19:20:57 2002 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gradebook software and hardware recommendation In-Reply-To: <1033861412.3d9f7924955df@webmail.acad.bethel.edu> References: <1033861412.3d9f7924955df@webmail.acad.bethel.edu> Message-ID: <20021006220522.GA15136@isis.visi.com> On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 06:43:32PM -0500, Peter Clark wrote: > Can anyone recommend a gradebook program with > a reasonably complete set of features that can import "Making the Grade" files? > Or, barring that, one that would work on both Mac (Classic) and Linux? Unfortunately no. I try to stay pretty close to the Linux in education news and I have yet to find a gradebook application that has the features of any decent commercial product for Win32 or MacOS. I rather surprised that no open source developers have taken this task on and stayed with it. This is one of the most basic applications that teachers use and not having a decent one for Linux would definitely keep some teachers from giving Linux a try. I'm beginning to investigate an online gradebook from TIES, a local company that provides technology services and support for school district. Being online, it's possible that it will work fine with a Linux browser. It's certainly not free, however, since you need to be a TIES member to use it I think. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From scot at thinkunix.net Sun Oct 6 20:47:49 2002 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Thanks to Raphael Message-ID: <20021006200148.A30416@okane.localnet> I wanted to take a moment to personally thank Raphael Mudge for speaking this past Saturday at the TCLUG monthly meeting. He gave an insightful presentation on the process of developing a scripting language. For those that missed the meeting, be sure to checkout Sleep, Raphael's scripting language for IRC clients. It's available at: http://sleepjava.sourceforge.net/ We'll be posting Raphael's presentation notes on the TCLUG website shortly. Thanks again to Raphael. Also a reminder that there's an Installfest scheduled for this coming Saturday, Oct 12th. Check the TCLUG website for details, and please register if you plan on attending. Also, if you have spare switches/hubs that you can bring with you please do that. We have a limited number of network ports available. http://www.mn-linux.org/installfest/ -- -scot From waynej at dccmn.com Sun Oct 6 21:06:08 2002 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel - AMD - Computational Speed? In-Reply-To: <002f01c26d76$4147d3b0$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: <000601c26da2$16b845e0$0f0101c0@dccmn.com> I tried setting up an AMD 1800+ on a Soyo Dragon Ultra and didn't see as much speed increase as I had hoped either. Turns out that I needed to set some non-default values (cpu clock multiplier if I remember right) in the bios setup to get it to run at the 1.56Ghz for the AMD. You might want to run the MS NT diag (it's a stand alone diskette created from the NT CDs) or other to see what it estimates the CPU speed to be. I assume the program isn't disk bound. (can't hurt to ask, right?) You might run the top program to make sure that there isn't another program hogging CPU. I would guess that if your program is computational bound, your not doing much with the kernel, so that wouldn't be my first place to look, but that's more guess than experience. You might try booting the new computer with Windows and see if it runs any better. It has been my experience that Linux runs about 20% faster than Windows, but that was done on a CPU bound application that's accessing a large cached DB (no disk i/o) in Oracle. Hope this helps a little. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Randy Clarksean Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 3:24 PM To: tclug Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel - AMD - Computational Speed? I just put together a new AMD XP 2100+ system and installed RedHat 7.2 The intent of this machine is heavy computational work (1.5 GB RAM, 80 GB HD, ABIT Motherboard with PC2100 RAM). I have an older Win2000 Machine, dual PIII 700 MHz 1 GB RAM - TYAN Motherboard that I have been using for computational work. I have data from an analysis run on the PIII system (1 CPU) and I just ran that same analysis on the new AMD21+ system. The speed improvement was NOT what I hoped for. PIII 700 MHz 96,360 seconds AMD XP 2100+ 65,040 seconds I do realize that there are operating system issues, etc. ... but with all of that I had anticipated a larger reduction in computational time. The code I am running is a commercial code that is developed to run on both operating systems, so I am fairly sure they work to get the best CPU time on both platforms. I was hoping for something on the order of 1/2 the CPU time - on large computational runs like this every little reduction in time helps. Not being a "kernel" expert by any means ... would it make any sense to recompile the kernel on my new platform, rather than relying on the kernel as loaded from the RH7.2 distribution CDs? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Randy Clarksean, Ph.D., P.E. Leading Technology Designs, Inc. 106 North Boardman Ave. P.O. Box N New York Mills, MN 56567 "Excellence can be attained if you Care more than others think is wise, Risk more than others think is safe, Dream more than others think is practical, and Expect more than others think is possible." - Author Unknown ph: 218-385-3750 fax:218-385-3751 email: rclark@lakesplus.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021006/29ce3220/attachment.html From list at slushpupie.com Sun Oct 6 21:08:34 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gradebook software and hardware recommendation In-Reply-To: <20021006220522.GA15136@isis.visi.com> References: <1033861412.3d9f7924955df@webmail.acad.bethel.edu> <20021006220522.GA15136@isis.visi.com> Message-ID: <200210062043.54202.list@slushpupie.com> On Sunday 06 October 2002 5:05 pm, Tim Wilson wrote: > On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 06:43:32PM -0500, Peter Clark wrote: > > Can anyone recommend a gradebook program with > > a reasonably complete set of features that can import "Making the Grade" > > files? Or, barring that, one that would work on both Mac (Classic) and > > Linux? > > Unfortunately no. I try to stay pretty close to the Linux in education > news and I have yet to find a gradebook application that has the > features of any decent commercial product for Win32 or MacOS. Just out of curiosity.. what are the specifiations of a "reasonably complete set of features" needed in a gradebook application? I might be looking for an internship/senior project soon, and depending on the difficulty of such a task, I (or others in the program) might be willing to take on something like this. The biggest issue for me is not knowing what features get used or are needed. > I rather surprised that no open source developers have taken this task > on and stayed with it. This is one of the most basic applications that > teachers use and not having a decent one for Linux would definitely keep > some teachers from giving Linux a try. > > I'm beginning to investigate an online gradebook from TIES, a local > company that provides technology services and support for school > district. Being online, it's possible that it will work fine with a > Linux browser. It's certainly not free, however, since you need to be a > TIES member to use it I think. My High School used TIES for a lot of things, one of the things I think it provided was the abilitiy to tie multiple gradebooks together for a school (ie- submitting grades). Is this, in general, a desiarable feature? Jay From cncole at earthlink.net Sun Oct 6 21:43:30 2002 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel - AMD - Computational Speed? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004c01c26daa$04d2ffc0$fa67fea9@HPZT> Intel has a bunch of info to aid scientific computational uses, and has Linux-specific stuff. My links are not current, but I found this as a clue or starting point: http://www.xlsoft.com/en/products/development/intel/mkl.html That link mentions the following: The IntelR Math Kernel Library provides developers of scientific and engineering software with a set of linear algebra, fast Fourier transforms and vector math functions optimized for the latest Intel PentiumR 4 and Intel ItaniumR processors. MKL contains LAPACK, the basic linear algebra subprograms (BLAS), and the extended BLAS (sparse). In addition, there is a set of fast Fourier transforms in single- and double-precision, real and complex data types with both Fortran and C interfaces. MKL also includes a set of vectorized transcendental functions in the Vector Math Library (VML), offering both high performance and excellent accuracy compared to the libm functions for most of the processors. MKL is available for the Microsoft Windows and Linux operating systems. Intel Math Kernel Library 5.2 for Windows Intel Math Kernel Library 5.1 for Linux You may be able to locate the right kernel and library links using this and Munir's info as clues. Munir's info may already include this kind of thing, but I think there should be some words about couth with respect to Intel's recommendations for scientific applications. The tie between Intel and Red Hat was/is very strong so it should show when relevant for suitably astute scientific performance. Note that it's possible that your applications code was optimized for that developer's idea (or ignorance) of a host platform, and might even degrade on a better one unless re-targeted and recompiled. It's also possible that a Linux kernel could be optimized for a math-intensive uses and thus get really big improvements (eg, non-interruptible math runs, etc). A special hardware co-processor board might be a productive route also. Getting away from multi-user contexts and away from von-Neumann uniprocessors can easily get 1000-fold improvements (eg, hardware butterfly operators, etc), but "commercial code" is your big bottleneck. Those authors may have great suggestions - if they can "spell" kernel :-) Intel and/or your code developers should have benchmark suggestions. Happy hunting! Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Munir Nassar > Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 7:11 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Kernel - AMD - Computational Speed? > > > On Sun, 6 Oct 2002, Randy Clarksean wrote: > > > I do realize that there are operating system issues, etc. > ... but with all of that I had anticipated a larger reduction > in computational time. The code I am running is a commercial > code that is developed to run on both operating systems, so I > am fairly sure they work to get the best CPU time on both > platforms. I was hoping for something on the order of 1/2 > the CPU time - on large computational runs like this every > little reduction in time helps. > > > > Not being a "kernel" expert by any means ... would it make > any sense to > > recompile the kernel on my new platform, rather than relying on the > > kernel as loaded from the RH7.2 distribution CDs? Any > suggestions would > > be greatly appreciated! > > first of all, you should not be using the stock kernels that > came on CD, > there were at least 3 upgrades to that kernel, > > that said here are some reasons: > 1. there were some vulnerabilities in the older kernels > 2. the kernels that come off of the CD by default are > compiled for i386, > if you upgrade to something more suitable, like the athlon > specific kernel > you will see a very noticable improvement > > so go to ftp://updates.redhat.com/7.2/en/os/athlon/ and get > the athlon > kernel > > and while you are at it, get all the updates from the i686 > area (glibc, > openssl) and install those too, > > once that is done you can install the updates from the i386 area. > > Munir Nassar > RedConcepts.NET > > _______________________________________________ From wilson at visi.com Sun Oct 6 22:17:38 2002 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gradebook software and hardware recommendation In-Reply-To: <200210062043.54202.list@slushpupie.com> References: <1033861412.3d9f7924955df@webmail.acad.bethel.edu> <20021006220522.GA15136@isis.visi.com> <200210062043.54202.list@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: <20021007023931.GA27710@isis.visi.com> On Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 08:43:54PM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > On Sunday 06 October 2002 5:05 pm, Tim Wilson wrote: > > > > Unfortunately no. I try to stay pretty close to the Linux in education > > news and I have yet to find a gradebook application that has the > > features of any decent commercial product for Win32 or MacOS. > > Just out of curiosity.. what are the specifiations of a "reasonably complete > set of features" needed in a gradebook application? I might be looking for an > internship/senior project soon, and depending on the difficulty of such a > task, I (or others in the program) might be willing to take on something like > this. The biggest issue for me is not knowing what features get used or are > needed. Hi Jay, Here are some things off the top of my head. If you do some googling you'll probably find other, more complete descriptions of the requirements. 1. Support different systems of calculating grades such as "total points" where your grade is simply an average of all points earned during the term and "weighted grades" where the overall grade is some weighted average of homework, quizzes, exams, etc. Of course, the categories will need to be flexible since different teachers approach the categories differently. 2. Flexible reporting that allows, for example, individual student reports, class reports that show student names, class reports without names, etc. 3. Options on a per assignment basis that would allow a particular student to be excused from a particular assignment with no penalty, custom grading scales for individual students who may have some special needs, etc. 4. Integration with larger student databases. This is the thing that probably kills most open source grading efforts. There are a host of "standards" out there that define how grade book programs can deliver student grades to larger student databases (such as the TSIS system that TIES uses). Integration is huge these days. Many schools have very integrated systems that include grading, attendance, discipline, grading, scheduling, budgeting, etc. Here are some potentially useful links: SEUL/edu (http://www.seul.org/edu/) The SEUL/edu administrative application index (http://richtech.ca/cgi-bin/seul/seulvw.pl?category=Administrative) Schoolforge (http://schoolforge.net/) > My High School used TIES for a lot of things, one of the things I think it > provided was the abilitiy to tie multiple gradebooks together for a school > (ie- submitting grades). Is this, in general, a desiarable feature? Another thing that's a popular idea these days is providing a way for parents and students to access a grade report through the Web. There are a host of security considerations obviously, but it's a pretty popular idea among parents in particular. Anyone interest in open source in K-12 education should probably join the schoolforge mailing list and check it out. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sun Oct 6 22:29:34 2002 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ICQ In-Reply-To: <02100522594700.00815@localhost.localdomain> References: <02100522594700.00815@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1033958919.7746.15.camel@3po.thodt.net> On Sat, 2002-10-05 at 22:56, Fredrick Fleming wrote: > I cannot get the licq to work in my computer. Is is set up, but I send messages > and no one seem to get them. I am using Mantrake 7.0 Thanks for any help you > guys can give. There might be a `send through server' option that you should enable. ICQ sometimes has trouble getting through firewalls of various kinds. However, that's an issue that I thought had been solved with newer clients. You might consider upgrading, as Mandrake 7.0 is pretty old now (we have a 7.1 box at work that I'm itching to upgrade). -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Dilate: To live longer. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021006/88dd230a/attachment.pgp From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Mon Oct 7 01:21:01 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian D. Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2.5" laptop hard drive Message-ID: <20021007053554.GB894@8ball.wox.org> I've been looking into replacing the 6 GB hard drive currently in my laptop with something larger (I was thinking 20 GB or more), and I was wondering if you people could give any suggestions. Something low-power, quiet and cheap would be preferred, and my current drive is ata/66, and I'd like something at the same level for the new drive. -- Brian Hicks 'At Zango Transportation Concepts, our motto is "Caveat Emptor" which means "We hope you like it!"' -- Lambda Expressway -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hicks > Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 12:36 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] 2.5" laptop hard drive > > > I've been looking into replacing the 6 GB hard drive currently in my > laptop with something larger (I was thinking 20 GB or more), and I was > wondering if you people could give any suggestions. Something > low-power, quiet and cheap would be preferred, and my current drive is > ata/66, and I'd like something at the same level for the new drive. > > -- > Brian Hicks > > 'At Zango Transportation Concepts, our motto is "Caveat Emptor" > which means "We hope you like it!"' -- Lambda Expressway > From austad at signal15.com Mon Oct 7 04:26:05 2002 From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 2.5" laptop hard drive In-Reply-To: <000d01c26dcb$3d4bc640$fa67fea9@HPZT> Message-ID: <58ACE866-D9D5-11D6-ACF2-00039395531E@signal15.com> I think it's toshiba that makes a 60GB drive that has a 16MB cache. It's also 5400 rpm instead of the normal 4200rpm for 2.5" drives. Supposed to make a decent speed increase on most systems, especially ones that use swap a lot, and the cache reduces the amount the drive runs, so it saves on battery a little too. Jay On Monday, October 7, 2002, at 01:31 AM, Chuck Cole wrote: > I have a 40GB drive in my HP laptop and it's silent and seems fast > enough. > I briefly daydreamed of a bigger one or a second drive and discovered > that > local shops don't even know that laptop drives larger than 20GB exist. > Prices locally will be sky high. I think IBM made a 120GB laptop > drive, but > I haven't seen them advertised recently. Go online and be sure of > availability before you commit the order. > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org >> [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Brian D. Hicks >> Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 12:36 AM >> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> Subject: [TCLUG] 2.5" laptop hard drive >> >> >> I've been looking into replacing the 6 GB hard drive currently in my >> laptop with something larger (I was thinking 20 GB or more), and I was >> wondering if you people could give any suggestions. Something >> low-power, quiet and cheap would be preferred, and my current drive is >> ata/66, and I'd like something at the same level for the new drive. >> >> -- >> Brian Hicks >> >> 'At Zango Transportation Concepts, our motto is "Caveat Emptor" >> which means "We hope you like it!"' -- Lambda Expressway >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From veldy at veldy.net Mon Oct 7 08:26:52 2002 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ReiserFS Message-ID: <008801c26dff$498b7700$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> Can anybody here say whether reiserfs has stabalized enough in the 2.4 kernel to safely use on a server (low load) versus using ext3 or ext2? I have seen a similar question being batted around other lists, but I have not heard a whole lot of real world experience, and this list probably has members with more of that than most. Tom Veldhouse -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I might be looking for > an > > internship/senior project soon, and depending on the difficulty of such a > > > task, I (or others in the program) might be willing to take on something > like > > this. The biggest issue for me is not knowing what features get used or > are > > needed. Not being a teacher, I really can't say. If you want some examples, however, there's a tutorial page at http://www.amarillo.isd.tenet.edu/chscluster/staffdevel/Software_guides/MtG/mtg.htm. To echo Tim's thoughts, I am also surprised that there hasn't been more emphasis on OS school software; there's some educational games and programs, of course, but very little development on the administrative side. A definite pity, considering the recent drive to promote Linux in schools. :Peter From tanner at real-time.com Mon Oct 7 09:33:47 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ReiserFS In-Reply-To: <008801c26dff$498b7700$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 07:44:19AM -0500 References: <008801c26dff$498b7700$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> Message-ID: <20021007091742.A2687@real-time.com> Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net): > Can anybody here say whether reiserfs has stabalized enough in the 2.4 > kernel to safely use on a server (low load) versus using ext3 or ext2? I > have seen a similar question being batted around other lists, but I have not > heard a whole lot of real world experience, and this list probably has > members with more of that than most. One of the biggest complaints for reiserfs is that none of the repair/recovery tools we use has reiserfs built-in by default. Tom's R/B, BBC, RH recovery all need to be tweaked to get them to support resiserfs (please correct me if I'm wrong). This is why we have stuck to ext3. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From natecars at real-time.com Mon Oct 7 09:42:43 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ReiserFS In-Reply-To: <20021007091742.A2687@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > This is why we have stuck to ext3. Not to mention that ext3 is backwards-compatible with ext2, and much simpler to upgrade to. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From dante at plethora.net Mon Oct 7 10:01:21 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel - AMD - Computational Speed? In-Reply-To: <002f01c26d76$4147d3b0$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: On Sun, 6 Oct 2002, Randy Clarksean wrote: > > I just put together a new AMD XP 2100+ system and installed RedHat 7.2 The intent of this machine is heavy computational work (1.5 GB RAM, 80 GB HD, ABIT Motherboard with PC2100 RAM). I have an older Win2000 Machine, dual PIII 700 MHz 1 GB RAM - TYAN Motherboard that I have been using for computational work. > > I have data from an analysis run on the PIII system (1 CPU) and I just ran that same analysis on the new AMD21+ system. The speed improvement was NOT what I hoped for. > > PIII 700 MHz 96,360 seconds > AMD XP 2100+ 65,040 seconds > > I do realize that there are operating system issues, etc. ... but with all of that I had anticipated a larger reduction in computational time. The code I am running is a commercial code that is developed to run on both operating systems, so I am fairly sure they work to get the best CPU time on both platforms. I was hoping for something on the order of 1/2 the CPU time - on large computational runs like this every little reduction in time helps. > > Not being a "kernel" expert by any means ... would it make any sense to recompile the kernel on my new platform, rather than relying on the kernel as loaded from the RH7.2 distribution CDs? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! > I have been doing some benchmarking of Athlon vs Pentium systems lately. 1. It is probably not something that a kernel recompile will help significantly. 2. Recompiling the App with gcc-3.? with Athlon optimization turned on would probably provide very significant improvement. I have discovered that CPU optimization in the application makes a very large difference for the app I have been checking. 3. If it is an application that is highly parallelized you _might_ try playing with the latest 2.5 series kernel with the O(1) scheduler. Note that this could be rather more "educational" than you are ready for. -- Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net And Carthage must be destroyed! From florin at iucha.net Mon Oct 7 10:03:21 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ReiserFS In-Reply-To: References: <20021007091742.A2687@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20021007145042.GA5383@iucha.net> On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 09:35:28AM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > > This is why we have stuck to ext3. > > Not to mention that ext3 is backwards-compatible with ext2, and much > simpler to upgrade to. s/ext3/Windows N+1/ s/ext2/Windows N/ florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Having everything work when you're done is another story altogether. *shudders as he starts to have flashbacks* -- Michael Vieths Foeclan@Visi.com On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > Not to mention that ext3 is backwards-compatible with ext2, and much > > > simpler to upgrade to. > > > > s/ext3/Windows N+1/ > > s/ext2/Windows N/ > > Upgrading from one version of windows to another is _easy_? Coulda fooled > me there. :) > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From florin at iucha.net Mon Oct 7 10:48:21 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ReiserFS In-Reply-To: References: <20021007145042.GA5383@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20021007153553.GB5383@iucha.net> On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 10:11:18AM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > Not to mention that ext3 is backwards-compatible with ext2, and much > > > simpler to upgrade to. > > > > s/ext3/Windows N+1/ > > s/ext2/Windows N/ > > Upgrading from one version of windows to another is _easy_? Coulda fooled > me there. :) Heisenberg principle of course applies here: upgrade is easy, the problem is undestanding and managing the result 8^) florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021007/5d1002ea/attachment.pgp From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Oct 7 11:40:06 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ReiserFS In-Reply-To: <20021007145042.GA5383@iucha.net> References: <20021007091742.A2687@real-time.com> <20021007145042.GA5383@iucha.net> Message-ID: <1034007485.1004.12.camel@titanium.sistina.com> On Mon, 2002-10-07 at 09:50, Florin Iucha wrote: > s/ext3/Windows N+1/ > s/ext2/Windows N/ What exactly is the correlation here? Sure you're not comparing ext[23] with windows filesystems. -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | | "If you love something set it free, if it doesn't come back to you hunt it down and set it on fire" -- George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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A couple of days later, I get an email from someone there, basically saying something like "Thanks for your reservation. You know about the two drink minimum right? With a group of your size, you can order off the menu." I wrote back saying something like, "What two drink minimum? Order what off the menu? I'm confused. Does everyone have to be 21+?" She wrote back saying something like, "Everyone in your party has to order two drinks, or else pay the equivalent (something like $10). Under 21ers are welcome, but then someone else has to buy more drinks to make up for them." I wrote back saying, "I'm very sorry, but I wasn't aware of this stipulation. I have to cancel our reservation. Perhaps another time." Either they didn't get that last message, or the lady that did forgot to tell everyone else. This was still a few days before the meeting itself, not at the last minute. I immediately changed the TCLUG beermeeting site, and that week's beermeeting announcement said something to the effect of "This week's beermeeting is NOT AT THE LOCAL!!!! It's at..." I forget where it was now. At least I think that's what I put. I haven't thought about this in a while. Anyway, the point of all this is I'm very sorry if this caused anyone any inconvenience. I thought I had made it clear that the location changed, both to the LUG and to the Local, but I'm still new at this and this isn't the first time I've made a mistake. Any and all suggestions are welcome, both on how to deal with these kinds of situations, and what places won't have two drink minimums. Thanks, Lorry From phil at rephil.org Mon Oct 7 13:07:08 2002 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gradebook software and harware recommendation In-Reply-To: <200210071515.g97FFAK08176@sprite.real-time.com> References: <200210071515.g97FFAK08176@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20021007175441.GA8740@rephil.org> tclug-list-request@mn-linux.org, circa Mon, 07-Oct-2002 at 10:15AM: Tim Wilson wrote: > 1. Support different systems of calculating grades such as "total > points" where your grade is simply an average of all points earned > during the term and "weighted grades" where the overall grade is some > weighted average of homework, quizzes, exams, etc. Of course, the > categories will need to be flexible since different teachers approach > the categories differently. Save yourself a lot of work: These are not different systems of grading, from a mathematics point of view. The first is merely the case where all weights are equal. Save yourself a lot of work by only implementing one routine, but parameterizing the weights and setting them all equal to 1 (I believe) for the first case. Phil M -- www.rephil.org / University of Minnesota "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable" -- Anonymous From gimpboy at gimp.gotdns.com Mon Oct 7 14:08:22 2002 From: gimpboy at gimp.gotdns.com (gimp.gotdns.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GeForce 4 Ti4200 128MB DDR? Message-ID: *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* I have this card but can not run at 24bit color! WHY?! I just installed RH 8.0 and it says that there was an error configuring X Serv and I need to redo the config and it makes me do that until I set the graphics down to 16bit. What ever will I do? %quote "I'm freakn' out man!" From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Oct 7 15:27:15 2002 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GeForce 4 Ti4200 128MB DDR? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey there, On Fri, 1 Jan 1904, gimp.gotdns.com wrote: > I have this card but can not run at 24bit color! WHY?! I just installed RH > 8.0 and it says that there was an error configuring X Serv and I need to > redo the config and it makes me do that until I set the graphics down to > 16bit. What ever will I do? First of all, 16bit isn't really THAT bad. Second, have you tried the drivers from nVidia's website? Third, have you maybe tried 32bit? -Yaron -- From gimpboy at gimp.gotdns.com Mon Oct 7 15:58:08 2002 From: gimpboy at gimp.gotdns.com (Jeffrey Bolduan) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GeForce 4 Ti4200 128MB DDR? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1034023312.1253.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> I'm heading out to the nVidia site now, i thought about that while I was in school! I didn't even see 32 bit, when I am in Gnome, how do I change the resolution and refresh rates etc? On Mon, 2002-10-07 at 15:16, Yaron wrote: > *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* > Hey there, > > On Fri, 1 Jan 1904, gimp.gotdns.com wrote: > > > I have this card but can not run at 24bit color! WHY?! I just installed RH > > 8.0 and it says that there was an error configuring X Serv and I need to > > redo the config and it makes me do that until I set the graphics down to > > 16bit. What ever will I do? > > First of all, 16bit isn't really THAT bad. > > Second, have you tried the drivers from nVidia's website? > > Third, have you maybe tried 32bit? > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Oct 7 16:30:33 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GeForce 4 Ti4200 128MB DDR? In-Reply-To: <1034023312.1253.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1034023312.1253.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1034025178.32595.23.camel@titanium.sistina.com> On Mon, 2002-10-07 at 15:41, Jeffrey Bolduan wrote: > I'm heading out to the nVidia site now, i thought about that while I was > in school! I didn't even see 32 bit, when I am in Gnome, how do I > change the resolution and refresh rates etc? edit /etc/X11/XF86Config > On Mon, 2002-10-07 at 15:16, Yaron wrote: > > *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* > > Hey there, > > > > On Fri, 1 Jan 1904, gimp.gotdns.com wrote: > > > > > I have this card but can not run at 24bit color! WHY?! I just installed RH > > > 8.0 and it says that there was an error configuring X Serv and I need to > > > redo the config and it makes me do that until I set the graphics down to > > > 16bit. What ever will I do? > > > > First of all, 16bit isn't really THAT bad. > > > > Second, have you tried the drivers from nVidia's website? > > > > Third, have you maybe tried 32bit? > > > > -Yaron > > > > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | | "If you love something set it free, if it doesn't come back to you hunt it down and set it on fire" -- George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021007/7e1dcca4/attachment.html From austad at signal15.com Mon Oct 7 19:22:52 2002 From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ReiserFS In-Reply-To: <20021007091742.A2687@real-time.com> Message-ID: <35208338-DA51-11D6-ACF2-00039395531E@signal15.com> Last time I used it, about 6 months ago, I had problems with the box crashing with a kernel panic in the reiserfs module every couple of days. This was on a high volume mail server. I doubt I will ever use it again. Even though this problem may be fixed, there are much less options for filesystem recovery compared to ext3. Jay On Monday, October 7, 2002, at 09:17 AM, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net): >> Can anybody here say whether reiserfs has stabalized enough in the 2.4 >> kernel to safely use on a server (low load) versus using ext3 or >> ext2? I >> have seen a similar question being batted around other lists, but I >> have not >> heard a whole lot of real world experience, and this list probably has >> members with more of that than most. > > One of the biggest complaints for reiserfs is that none of the > repair/recovery > tools we use has reiserfs built-in by default. Tom's R/B, BBC, RH > recovery all > need to be tweaked to get them to support resiserfs (please correct me > if I'm > wrong). > > This is why we have stuck to ext3. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. > Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhboricua at jhboricua.org Mon Oct 7 21:07:26 2002 From: jhboricua at jhboricua.org (Jose A. Hernandez) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] COMPILING KERNEL References: <000001c26e5a$792d0220$6701a8c0@luke> Message-ID: <3DA23B9E.4040705@jhboricua.org> First, When you make bzImage, the file is created in /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/ and is named bzImage, that is your kernel file, so I'm not sure why you're doing a make bzlilo after that. Second, did you compile NTFS support in the kernel itself or as a module. If in the kernel then the bzImage file mentioned above will do. If in a module you still have to do a make modules and a make modules_install to be able to use the NTFS filesystem. Third, you need to copy that bzImage file into your /boot directory and edit lilo.conf to look for it. From what you wrote, you say lilo is looking at the original vmlinuz file and all that means is that, while you have recompiled a kernel to use NTFS, you have not instructed lilo to look for it and use it. Edit your lilo.conf file and when you're done editing run lilo at the command line to enable the changes. -- Jose A. Hernandez jhboricua@jhboricua.org rsync://rsync.jhboricua.org/gentoo-portage/ From gimpboy at gimp.gotdns.com Mon Oct 7 21:16:10 2002 From: gimpboy at gimp.gotdns.com (gimpboy@gimp.gotdns.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ArGoSoft Mailing List Server Message-ID: <200210080211.g982B5K17437@sprite.real-time.com> Command First, When you make bzImage, the file is created in not understood. Please send mail to gimpboy@gimp.gotdns.com, containing word HELP as the first non-blank line for the list of available commands. ArGoSoft Mailing List Server From gimpboy at gimp.gotdns.com Mon Oct 7 21:33:03 2002 From: gimpboy at gimp.gotdns.com (gimpboy@gimp.gotdns.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ArGoSoft Mailing List Server Message-ID: <200210080218.g982INK17568@sprite.real-time.com> Command Command not understood. Please send mail to gimpboy@gimp.gotdns.com, containing word HELP as the first non-blank line for the list of available commands. ArGoSoft Mailing List Server From gimpboy at gimp.gotdns.com Mon Oct 7 21:52:02 2002 From: gimpboy at gimp.gotdns.com (gimpboy@gimp.gotdns.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ArGoSoft Mailing List Server Message-ID: <200210080236.g982aIK17749@sprite.real-time.com> Command Command not understood. Please send mail to gimpboy@gimp.gotdns.com, containing word HELP as the first non-blank line for the list of available commands. ArGoSoft Mailing List Server From dante at plethora.net Mon Oct 7 21:52:19 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] COMPILING KERNEL In-Reply-To: <3DA23B9E.4040705@jhboricua.org> Message-ID: He did a correct installation, I think he just needs "mount -t ntfs -o ro /dev/XXXX /mountpoint" from where he is, assuming it is compiled in monolithic. He may need a pack of NTFS tools to work with it though... On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, Jose A. Hernandez wrote: > First, When you make bzImage, the file is created in > /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/ and is named bzImage, that is your kernel > file, so I'm not sure why you're doing a make bzlilo after that. > > Second, did you compile NTFS support in the kernel itself or as a > module. If in the kernel then the bzImage file mentioned above will do. > If in a module you still have to do a make modules and a make > modules_install to be able to use the NTFS filesystem. > > Third, you need to copy that bzImage file into your /boot directory and > edit lilo.conf to look for it. From what you wrote, you say lilo is > looking at the original vmlinuz file and all that means is that, while > you have recompiled a kernel to use NTFS, you have not instructed lilo > to look for it and use it. Edit your lilo.conf file and when you're > done editing run lilo at the command line to enable the changes. > > -- Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net And Carthage must be destroyed! From gimpboy at gimp.gotdns.com Mon Oct 7 22:08:04 2002 From: gimpboy at gimp.gotdns.com (gimpboy@gimp.gotdns.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ArGoSoft Mailing List Server Message-ID: <200210080254.g982s3K17994@sprite.real-time.com> Command Command not understood. Please send mail to gimpboy@gimp.gotdns.com, containing word HELP as the first non-blank line for the list of available commands. ArGoSoft Mailing List Server From gimpboy at gimp.gotdns.com Mon Oct 7 22:08:30 2002 From: gimpboy at gimp.gotdns.com (gimpboy@gimp.gotdns.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ArGoSoft Mailing List Server Message-ID: <200210080254.g982sQK17999@sprite.real-time.com> Command He did a correct installation, I think he just needs not understood. Please send mail to gimpboy@gimp.gotdns.com, containing word HELP as the first non-blank line for the list of available commands. ArGoSoft Mailing List Server From gimpboy at gimp.gotdns.com Mon Oct 7 22:39:24 2002 From: gimpboy at gimp.gotdns.com (gimpboy@gimp.gotdns.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ArGoSoft Mailing List Server Message-ID: <200210080310.g983AeK18243@sprite.real-time.com> Command Command not understood. Please send mail to gimpboy@gimp.gotdns.com, containing word HELP as the first non-blank line for the list of available commands. ArGoSoft Mailing List Server From gimpboy at gimp.gotdns.com Mon Oct 7 22:40:03 2002 From: gimpboy at gimp.gotdns.com (gimpboy@gimp.gotdns.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ArGoSoft Mailing List Server Message-ID: <200210080311.g983B8K18253@sprite.real-time.com> Command Command not understood. Please send mail to gimpboy@gimp.gotdns.com, containing word HELP as the first non-blank line for the list of available commands. ArGoSoft Mailing List Server From tanner at real-time.com Mon Oct 7 22:52:47 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ArGoSoft Mailing List Server In-Reply-To: <200210080311.g983B8K18253@sprite.real-time.com>; from gimpboy@gimp.gotdns.com on Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 10:11:08PM -0500 References: <200210080311.g983B8K18253@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20021007224553.A2277@real-time.com> Quoting gimpboy@gimp.gotdns.com (gimpboy@gimp.gotdns.com): > Command > > Command > > not understood. > > Please send mail to gimpboy@gimp.gotdns.com, containing word HELP as the first non-blank line for the list of available commands. > > ArGoSoft Mailing List Server Disable this account. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From wilson at visi.com Mon Oct 7 22:53:27 2002 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] home servers for family use Message-ID: <20021008034947.GB6537@isis.visi.com> Hi everyone, Like many of you I'm sure, it seems like my family and I are running in opposite directions all too frequently. I've been thinking about this problem a bit lately and I'm wondering if there's something that can be done to address at least the more mundane aspects of the problem. I'd be curious to know if anyone on the list has implemented a home fileserver with (I'm just throwing out some names here) LDAP, email, shared calendars, sync for multiple PDAs, thin client access from somewhere in the house, iCal, CODA, Inter-mezzo, phpGroupWare, etc. I'm thinking that if I had a single file server that could serve as our family information hub, we might be a little more organized. Of course, leaving Post-its sticking around the house might end up being just as effective. But it's not as fun to ponder. :-) So has anyone tried something like this? Obviously there are many levels of integration possible, but I'm wondering about some of the more ambitious ones. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From rummey at black-hole.com Mon Oct 7 23:08:49 2002 From: rummey at black-hole.com (Michael D. Cassano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ArGoSoft Mailing List Server References: <200210080311.g983B8K18253@sprite.real-time.com> <20021007224553.A2277@real-time.com> Message-ID: <00cf01c26e7e$de2952e0$a001a8c0@rummey> That's some bright software... responds to itself like a broken record... Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Tanner" To: Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 10:45 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ArGoSoft Mailing List Server > Quoting gimpboy@gimp.gotdns.com (gimpboy@gimp.gotdns.com): > > Command > > > > Command > > > > not understood. > > > > Please send mail to gimpboy@gimp.gotdns.com, containing word HELP as the first non-blank line for the list of available commands. > > > > ArGoSoft Mailing List Server > > Disable this account. > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. > Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From rummey at black-hole.com Mon Oct 7 23:09:49 2002 From: rummey at black-hole.com (Michael D. Cassano) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] home servers for family use References: <20021008034947.GB6537@isis.visi.com> Message-ID: <00d701c26e7f$17894810$a001a8c0@rummey> How about thumbprint identification at the front door so you always know who is home or not... Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Wilson" To: "TCLUG" Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 10:49 PM Subject: [TCLUG] home servers for family use > Hi everyone, > > Like many of you I'm sure, it seems like my family and I are running in > opposite directions all too frequently. I've been thinking about this > problem a bit lately and I'm wondering if there's something that can be > done to address at least the more mundane aspects of the problem. > > I'd be curious to know if anyone on the list has implemented a home > fileserver with (I'm just throwing out some names here) LDAP, email, > shared calendars, sync for multiple PDAs, thin client access from > somewhere in the house, iCal, CODA, Inter-mezzo, phpGroupWare, etc. > > I'm thinking that if I had a single file server that could serve as our > family information hub, we might be a little more organized. Of course, > leaving Post-its sticking around the house might end up being just as > effective. But it's not as fun to ponder. :-) > > So has anyone tried something like this? Obviously there are many levels > of integration possible, but I'm wondering about some of the more > ambitious ones. > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Oct 7 23:23:10 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] home servers for family use In-Reply-To: <20021008034947.GB6537@isis.visi.com> References: <20021008034947.GB6537@isis.visi.com> Message-ID: <1034050632.2107.4.camel@rtfm> On Mon, 2002-10-07 at 22:49, Tim Wilson wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Like many of you I'm sure, it seems like my family and I are running in > opposite directions all too frequently. I've been thinking about this > problem a bit lately and I'm wondering if there's something that can be > done to address at least the more mundane aspects of the problem. Man you're just looking for a reason to hack. > I'd be curious to know if anyone on the list has implemented a home > fileserver with (I'm just throwing out some names here) LDAP, email, > shared calendars, sync for multiple PDAs, thin client access from > somewhere in the house, iCal, CODA, Inter-mezzo, phpGroupWare, etc. web_dav (one idea for shared calenders) twiggi (web based groupware) samba (usable by MACs, *nix, and D0ze) > I'm thinking that if I had a single file server that could serve as our > family information hub, we might be a little more organized. Of course, > leaving Post-its sticking around the house might end up being just as > effective. But it's not as fun to ponder. :-) Yeah, but it's usually faster than sitting down at a browser, opening an app and typing. Something like "Honey, went to the LUG B33r meeting will call for ride" is quicker on a post-it note ;-) > So has anyone tried something like this? Obviously there are many levels > of integration possible, but I'm wondering about some of the more > ambitious ones. I live alone and am constantly leaving myself post-it notes ;-) -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "If you love something set it free, if it doesn't come back to you hunt it down and set it on fire" -- George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cassano wrote: > How about thumbprint identification at the front door so you always know who > is home or not... or gpg signed paper post-it notes ;-) > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Wilson" > To: "TCLUG" > Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 10:49 PM > Subject: [TCLUG] home servers for family use > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > Like many of you I'm sure, it seems like my family and I are running in > > opposite directions all too frequently. I've been thinking about this > > problem a bit lately and I'm wondering if there's something that can be > > done to address at least the more mundane aspects of the problem. > > > > I'd be curious to know if anyone on the list has implemented a home > > fileserver with (I'm just throwing out some names here) LDAP, email, > > shared calendars, sync for multiple PDAs, thin client access from > > somewhere in the house, iCal, CODA, Inter-mezzo, phpGroupWare, etc. > > > > I'm thinking that if I had a single file server that could serve as our > > family information hub, we might be a little more organized. Of course, > > leaving Post-its sticking around the house might end up being just as > > effective. But it's not as fun to ponder. :-) > > > > So has anyone tried something like this? Obviously there are many levels > > of integration possible, but I'm wondering about some of the more > > ambitious ones. > > > > -Tim > > > > -- > > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com > > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org > > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org > > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "If you love something set it free, if it doesn't come back to you hunt it down and set it on fire" -- George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've been thinking about this > problem a bit lately and I'm wondering if there's something that can be > done to address at least the more mundane aspects of the problem. > We found it was easier to slow down and actually enjoy life together :) > So has anyone tried something like this? Obviously there are many levels > of integration possible, but I'm wondering about some of the more > ambitious ones. > > -Tim That ended up being the most ambitious thing we could have done, it required a rethinking of values...of course it didn't give me an excuse to add a few more servers :) -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 396 fax 952-368-3255 From tanner at real-time.com Tue Oct 8 08:36:12 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New greyhatpak: upgraded kismet to 2.6.1 Message-ID: <20021008081743.B12655@real-time.com> New greyhatpak out. I've upgraded kismet to 2.6.1, which from irc I'm told is the last of the 2.x releases. Next release will be 3.0, with a bunch of new features. * Fri Oct 03 2002 Bob Tanner + kismet-20021003CVS-realtime.1 - upgraded to 2.6.1 (is back port of 2.7 code) - upgraded to wiretape-0.9.7 - removed gps lock .wav from the conf file, it was too irritating Things are available via apt4redhat, using the following sources.list: http://www.mn-linux.org/members/tanner/downloads/sources.list OR ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/apt/realtime/7.3/i386/RPMS.tclug/ I've been told on irc there are problems with the apt repository. I believe I've fixed them. In the future, please let me know if there are problems, since I cannot fix what I do not know is broken. Thanks. The RPM packages have been signed with gnupg and my personal key. To get my personal key: $ gpg --recv-key 2CC1B288 To check my personal key: $ gpg --fingerprint 2CC1B288 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 To check the RPM package: $ rpm --checksig -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021008/922a49e7/attachment.pgp From rclark at lakesplus.com Tue Oct 8 08:52:10 2002 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel recompile - no network? Message-ID: <013401c26ed0$de102c50$0201a8c0@office> After the recent set of suggestions about AMD performance, I decided to recompile my kernel for an "Athlon" system. The recompile has went fine (after a few false starts, etc.) and I can boot on the new kernel. Problem: I can not ping out to the rest of the world. I can ping localhost and the IP addy of the machine - but no where else. I finally ended up using the "Athlon" configuration file that comes with the RH7.2 release. That configuration file has networking turned on, etc. I have went into ntsysv and turned off ipchains and iptables just to make sure they are not blocking everything (but I do believe they normally don't start out with everything blocked). Yes ... the cable is attached and the NIC cards are good to go .. I can reboot in the original kernel and the network works fine. eth0 comes up without a problem for the new kernel. Any suggestions on what I may have forgotten to turn on? Or turned off? Many thanks in advance! Randy p.s. I did try and download the items suggested ... but permission was denied. The security type things on this AMD machine are not an issue for me - it is behind the firewall and if someone makes it that far that is the least of my concerns. "Excellence can be attained if you Care more than others think is wise, Risk more than others think is safe, Dream more than others think is practical, and Expect more than others think is possible." - Author Unknown ph: 218-385-3750 fax:218-385-3751 email: rclark@lakesplus.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021008/c8bf868f/attachment.html From jima at beer.tclug.org Tue Oct 8 11:06:46 2002 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T, dhclient, and RedHat 8.0 Message-ID: Someone on IRC brought to my attention that the version of dhclient shipping with RedHat 8.0 (3.0pl1-9) still has the TTL set to 16. In relatively sane networks, this isn't an issue, but when AT&T Broadband restructured their network in June, the DHCP server ended up much further away (something like 21 hops, for me), causing problems for people using dhclient [1]. One solution was to mangle the outgoing DHCP request with iptables so that the TTL was higher [2]. This didn't work for the person asking for help this morning, so I decided to implement the more permanent fix [3]. I've patched and compiled the dhcp source RPM from RH8, changing the TTL to 128. RPMs (& SRPM) can be found at: http://devel.tclug.org/dhclient/RPMS/dhclient-3.0pl1-9.tclug1.i386.rpm http://devel.tclug.org/dhclient/RPMS/dhcp-3.0pl1-9.tclug1.i386.rpm http://devel.tclug.org/dhclient/RPMS/dhcp-devel-3.0pl1-9.tclug1.i386.rpm http://devel.tclug.org/dhclient/SRPMS/dhcp-3.0pl1-9.tclug1.src.rpm The most important one is the dhclient RPM, but I've included the rest since, well, that's what rpmbuild spit out. The patch I used was: http://devel.tclug.org/dhclient/dhclient.patch Bob, feel free to replicate that for the TCLUG apt repository if you want. Many thanks to Scott Dier's co-worker for coming up with the solution, and to Nate Straz for passing it along. Jima 1. http://archives2.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2002-June/051341.html 2. http://archives2.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2002-June/051485.html 3. http://archives2.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2002-June/051477.html From jeff at digitalguy.net Tue Oct 8 11:07:22 2002 From: jeff at digitalguy.net (Jeff Lehman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel recompile - no network? In-Reply-To: <013401c26ed0$de102c50$0201a8c0@office>; from rclark@lakesplus.com on Tue, Oct 08, 2002 at 08:44:47AM -0500 References: <013401c26ed0$de102c50$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: <20021008104547.B13888@sarah.digitalguy.net> Randy Clarksean (rclark@lakesplus.com) wrote: > > Problem: I can not ping out to the rest of the world. I can ping localhost and the IP addy of the machine - but no where else. > If you can ping your ip and not the rest of the world that seems like a routing problem. Make sure your routing table (/sbin/route) indicates a default route as your gateway. If not put a default route in there by typing: /sbin/route add default gw Hope that helps, Jeff > ph: 218-385-3750 > fax:218-385-3751 > email: rclark@lakesplus.com > From ming at evil-overlords.com Tue Oct 8 11:22:35 2002 From: ming at evil-overlords.com (ming@evil-overlords.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OSX 10.2.1 and BIND 9.2.1 Message-ID: <20021008161727.90045.qmail@wm0.netfirms.com> Anyone heard about whats needed to get this to work? OSX comes with 8.2.3 but I would prefer the latest version or would i just be better off with 8.2.3? Jason From jima at beer.tclug.org Tue Oct 8 12:49:05 2002 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AT&T, dhclient, and RedHat 8.0 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: My brain evidently doesn't have SMP enabled, so I'd best stop trying to do so many things at once. My .spec file was broken, so I've re-released: http://devel.tclug.org/dhclient/RPMS/dhclient-3.0pl1-9.tclug2.i386.rpm http://devel.tclug.org/dhclient/RPMS/dhcp-3.0pl1-9.tclug2.i386.rpm http://devel.tclug.org/dhclient/RPMS/dhcp-devel-3.0pl1-9.tclug2.i386.rpm http://devel.tclug.org/dhclient/SRPMS/dhcp-3.0pl1-9.tclug2.src.rpm Sorry to anyone who might've tried it (no one here, according to the logs). Jima From kbongers at infinetivity.com Tue Oct 8 15:32:01 2002 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] COMPILING KERNEL In-Reply-To: <000001c26e5a$792d0220$6701a8c0@luke>; from nightcanton@attbi.com on Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 06:37:17PM -0500 References: <000001c26e5a$792d0220$6701a8c0@luke> Message-ID: <20021008151532.A15293@me> Heres what I've done for my RH7.1, RH7.2 systems and Debian on my Laptop. You probably want a boot disk in case of trouble, mkbootdisk will make you one. I've been running 2.4.18. I remove any old build "linux" folder, unpack it (tar xjf linux-2.4.18.tar.bz2). make menuconfig You need to turn on "Prompt for development and/or incomplete code/drivers" in order to select many of the new and beta status selections. That can be confusing, if it's off then you don't see the menuconfig selections. I made a script so I don't have to re-type the build, and I like to log everything: #/bin/sh -v make dep 2>&1 | tee make_deps.log && \ make bzImage 2>&1 | tee make_bzImage.log && \ make modules 2>&1 | tee make_modules.log && \ make modules_install 2>&1 | tee make_modules_install.log Before you run this script, you may want to back-up/rename/remove your current lib/modules/linux-xx.xx.xx kernel modules folder. make modules_install writes these out. If your existing install is a different version(-2.4.17 say) then it won't be a problem. I hand install the files: cp linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/bzImage-2.4.18 cp linux/System.map /boot/System.map-2.4.18 cp linux/.config /boot/config-2.4.18 Then edit /etc/lilo.conf to make a new entry for it, keep your old one as a backup, run lilo. The bzImage file is all you really need, the system.map is just for verbose kernel debugging(not required), and the .config is just nice to copy somewhere you can find it again. Now reboot into the new kernel, figure out what you forgot to configure correctly and start over(keep the .config file as a starting point). IF you need PCMCIA stuff, it is an additional add on src package to download. On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 06:37:17PM -0500, Luke Steiner wrote: > Hey, > > > This is the first time I've ever tried compiling a kernel. > I'm trying to install NTFS as a file system into it. > > Here are the steps I made.. > > Make config ;from here I went through and selected NTFS to be > supported > > Make dep > > Make bzImage > > Make bzlilo > > > Then I restarted...am I missing something? I'm using LILO and it is the > /vmlimz file..so it is correct. But it isn't going though and > recognizing the NTFS filesystem. > > > > Anyone have any ideas? > > > Take it Easy, > > > Luke From doughanson at attbi.com Tue Oct 8 15:37:04 2002 From: doughanson at attbi.com (doughanson@attbi.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest Message-ID: <20021008202743.BHKW10612.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@rwcrwbc56> Hola' Is it possible for someone to bring a set of RH 8.0 ISO's to the fest? I would like to purchase them if possible... -- Doug doughanson at attbi dot com From scot at thinkunix.net Tue Oct 8 15:50:33 2002 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest In-Reply-To: <20021008202743.BHKW10612.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@rwcrwbc56>; from doughanson@attbi.com on Tue, Oct 08, 2002 at 08:27:30PM +0000 References: <20021008202743.BHKW10612.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@rwcrwbc56> Message-ID: <20021008154433.A14408@okane.localnet> I have them on a local ftp server. Bring blank CDR's and I'll gladly burn you a set. Sorry don't have any to purchase here. doughanson@attbi.com wrote: > Hola' > > Is it possible for someone to bring a set of RH 8.0 > ISO's to the fest? I would like to purchase them if > possible... -- -scot From doughanson at attbi.com Tue Oct 8 16:06:52 2002 From: doughanson at attbi.com (doughanson@attbi.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest Message-ID: <20021008205921.QFX18356.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@rwcrwbc56> Great, I'll look for ya there... -- Doug doughanson at attbi dot com > I have them on a local ftp server. Bring blank CDR's and I'll gladly > burn you a set. Sorry don't have any to purchase here. > > doughanson@attbi.com wrote: > > Hola' > > > > Is it possible for someone to bring a set of RH 8.0 > > ISO's to the fest? I would like to purchase them if > > possible... > > -- > -scot > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Tue Oct 8 16:24:04 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] New greyhatpak: nessus-1.2.6 Message-ID: <20021008161246.B12663@real-time.com> New greyhatpak. Upgraded nessus to 1.2.6. Nessus changelog: http://www.nessus.org/posix.html * Tue Oct 08 2002 Bob Tanner + nessus-1.2.6-realtime.1 - upgraded to 1.2.6 - http://www.nessus.org/posix.html * Mon Oct 08 2002 Bob Tanner + greyhatpak-0.2-realtime.4 - upgraded nessus-1.2.6 Things are available via apt4redhat, using the following sources.list: http://www.mn-linux.org/members/tanner/downloads/sources.list OR ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/apt/realtime/7.3/i386/RPMS.tclug/ The RPM packages have been signed with gnupg and my personal key. To get my personal key: $ gpg --recv-key 2CC1B288 To check my personal key: $ gpg --fingerprint 2CC1B288 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 To check the RPM package: $ rpm --checksig -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021008/2a9a6980/attachment.pgp From tanner at real-time.com Tue Oct 8 16:59:02 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest In-Reply-To: <20021008202743.BHKW10612.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@rwcrwbc56>; from doughanson@attbi.com on Tue, Oct 08, 2002 at 08:27:30PM +0000 References: <20021008202743.BHKW10612.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@rwcrwbc56> Message-ID: <20021008164137.B13610@real-time.com> Quoting doughanson@attbi.com (doughanson@attbi.com): > Hola' > > Is it possible for someone to bring a set of RH 8.0 > ISO's to the fest? I would like to purchase them if > possible... I'll bring some for purchase $1/cd or media swap. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From list at slushpupie.com Tue Oct 8 21:28:54 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] home servers for family use In-Reply-To: <20021008034947.GB6537@isis.visi.com> References: <20021008034947.GB6537@isis.visi.com> Message-ID: <200210082123.00558.list@slushpupie.com> On Monday 07 October 2002 10:49 pm, Tim Wilson wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Like many of you I'm sure, it seems like my family and I are running in > opposite directions all too frequently. I've been thinking about this > problem a bit lately and I'm wondering if there's something that can be > done to address at least the more mundane aspects of the problem. > > I'd be curious to know if anyone on the list has implemented a home > fileserver with (I'm just throwing out some names here) LDAP, email, > shared calendars, sync for multiple PDAs, thin client access from > somewhere in the house, iCal, CODA, Inter-mezzo, phpGroupWare, etc. Beyond even home use, this brings up a good point about integration. Getting all these different information mediums to talk to eachother is important in the corporate world as well. Does anyone have any suggestions for getting email (sending/recieving), calendars, addressbooks, etc to talk to eachother using standard software? I know there are some suites out there, but I am thinking along the lines of postfix, Courier IMAP, and LDAP, to all work well together, so that someone can use a client of choice (even Outlook, if I dare mention it) to access these things. > I'm thinking that if I had a single file server that could serve as our > family information hub, we might be a little more organized. Of course, > leaving Post-its sticking around the house might end up being just as > effective. But it's not as fun to ponder. :-) I think your question is a great one- perhaps a little over done for a "family information hub", but thats why we are geeks! > So has anyone tried something like this? Obviously there are many levels > of integration possible, but I'm wondering about some of the more > ambitious ones. > > -Tim -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com/ From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Oct 8 21:48:42 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] COMPILING KERNEL In-Reply-To: <20021008151532.A15293@me> References: <000001c26e5a$792d0220$6701a8c0@luke> <20021008151532.A15293@me> Message-ID: <1034130607.1937.9.camel@rtfm> On Tue, 2002-10-08 at 15:15, Karl Bongers wrote: > Heres what I've done for my RH7.1, RH7.2 systems and Debian > on my Laptop. Hey great mail Karl! Wow! Also of not is the kernel howto http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Kernel-HOWTO.html I can't stress enough how important it is for newbie kernel compilers to read this _BEFORE_ they start trying to compile their kernel (* Hi Citadel * ) > > You probably want a boot disk in case of trouble, mkbootdisk > will make you one. > > I've been running 2.4.18. > I remove any old build "linux" folder, unpack it > (tar xjf linux-2.4.18.tar.bz2). > > make menuconfig > > You need to turn on > "Prompt for development and/or incomplete code/drivers" > in order to select many of the new and beta status selections. > That can be confusing, if it's off then you don't > see the menuconfig selections. > > I made a script so I don't have to re-type the build, and > I like to log everything: > #/bin/sh -v > make dep 2>&1 | tee make_deps.log && \ > make bzImage 2>&1 | tee make_bzImage.log && \ > make modules 2>&1 | tee make_modules.log && \ > make modules_install 2>&1 | tee make_modules_install.log > > Before you run this script, you may want to back-up/rename/remove your > current lib/modules/linux-xx.xx.xx kernel modules folder. > make modules_install writes these out. If your existing install > is a different version(-2.4.17 say) then it won't be a problem. > > I hand install the files: > cp linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/bzImage-2.4.18 > cp linux/System.map /boot/System.map-2.4.18 > cp linux/.config /boot/config-2.4.18 > > Then edit /etc/lilo.conf to make a new entry for it, > keep your old one as a backup, > run lilo. > > The bzImage file is all you really need, the system.map is > just for verbose kernel debugging(not required), and the > .config is just nice to copy somewhere you can find it again. > > Now reboot into the new kernel, figure out what you forgot to > configure correctly and start over(keep the .config file as > a starting point). > > IF you need PCMCIA stuff, it is an additional add on src > package to download. > > On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 06:37:17PM -0500, Luke Steiner wrote: > > Hey, > > > > > > This is the first time I've ever tried compiling a kernel. > > I'm trying to install NTFS as a file system into it. > > > > Here are the steps I made.. > > > > Make config ;from here I went through and selected NTFS to be > > supported > > > > Make dep > > > > Make bzImage > > > > Make bzlilo > > > > > > Then I restarted...am I missing something? I'm using LILO and it is the > > /vmlimz file..so it is correct. But it isn't going though and > > recognizing the NTFS filesystem. > > > > > > > > Anyone have any ideas? > > > > > > Take it Easy, > > > > > > Luke > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | "If you love something set it free, if it doesn't come back to you hunt it down and set it on fire" -- George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The security type things on this AMD machine are not an issue > for me - it is behind the firewall and if someone makes it that far that > is the least of my concerns. permission denied? when you tried to download the kernel RPM? that is really wierd, try ftp.mn-linux.com Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Tue Oct 8 22:35:53 2002 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel recompile - no network? In-Reply-To: <013401c26ed0$de102c50$0201a8c0@office> References: <013401c26ed0$de102c50$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: <20021008150043.GA20285@mail.el-swifto.com> On Tue, Oct 08, 2002 at 08:44:47AM -0500, Randy Clarksean wrote: > After the recent set of suggestions about AMD performance, I decided > to recompile my kernel for an "Athlon" system. The recompile has went > fine (after a few false starts, etc.) and I can boot on the new kernel. > > Problem: I can not ping out to the rest of the world. I can ping > localhost and the IP addy of the machine - but no where else. What does your routing table look like? -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Mailing List http://www.mn-linux.org Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota irc.openprojects.net #tclug From wilson at visi.com Tue Oct 8 22:47:07 2002 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Good SuSE mirror Message-ID: <20021009034024.GC19377@isis.visi.com> Anyone know of a good SuSE mirror that has 8.1 ready to go? I'd like to try it out. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From phil at rephil.org Tue Oct 8 22:55:09 2002 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] home servers for family use In-Reply-To: <200210080439.g984d4K19410@sprite.real-time.com> References: <200210080439.g984d4K19410@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20021008151436.GB10332@rephil.org> tclug-list-request@mn-linux.org, circa Mon, 07-Oct-2002 at 11:39PM: > Message: 12 > Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 22:49:47 -0500 > From: Tim Wilson > To: TCLUG > Subject: [TCLUG] home servers for family use > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Hi everyone, > > Like many of you I'm sure, it seems like my family and I are running in > opposite directions all too frequently. I've been thinking about this > problem a bit lately and I'm wondering if there's something that can be > done to address at least the more mundane aspects of the problem. > > I'd be curious to know if anyone on the list has implemented a home > fileserver with (I'm just throwing out some names here) LDAP, email, > shared calendars, sync for multiple PDAs, thin client access from > somewhere in the house, iCal, CODA, Inter-mezzo, phpGroupWare, etc. > > I'm thinking that if I had a single file server that could serve as our > family information hub, we might be a little more organized. Of course, > leaving Post-its sticking around the house might end up being just as > effective. But it's not as fun to ponder. :-) > > So has anyone tried something like this? Obviously there are many levels > of integration possible, but I'm wondering about some of the more > ambitious ones. Aw, Tim -- forest for the trees, man! ;) All we did is set up a Zope server. It's just on the regular rephil.org server. You can put LocalFS objects in if you want to serve a directory. There's a couple of Z-wikis for grocery lists and to give the functional equivalent of the calendar hanging by the phone. Works fine for phone messages too. In our house, there's totally no reason to change people's habit of leaving graffiti with meaningful content for each other for some structured system that will get ignored, so the Wiki works perfectly in this case. YMMV. Everyone has an e-mail account, and I run courier-imap. There's a Zope webmail that lets us at least read web-mail, but I know there are better solutions for webmail stuff. (I use mutt to the imap server instead anyway, but it's nice to at least look and see if there's anything requiring urgent attention from wherever one happens to be, and my wife uses regular e-mail at home, and her work acct. at work.) Unless your family is a whole lot larger than ours, or has to maintain ISO 9002 certification ;), I wouldn't make it too complicated, but I'm funny that way. HTH, Phil M -- www.rephil.org / University of Minnesota "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable" -- Anonymous From scot at thinkunix.net Tue Oct 8 23:20:13 2002 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Good SuSE mirror In-Reply-To: <20021009034024.GC19377@isis.visi.com>; from wilson@visi.com on Tue, Oct 08, 2002 at 10:40:24PM -0500 References: <20021009034024.GC19377@isis.visi.com> Message-ID: <20021008230740.D28264@beck.localnet> if you find one, please post it to the list as I'm in the process of setting up a local ftp server for this saturday's installfest. Tim Wilson wrote: > Anyone know of a good SuSE mirror that has 8.1 ready to go? I'd like to > try it out. -- -scot From wilson at visi.com Tue Oct 8 23:36:06 2002 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Good SuSE mirror In-Reply-To: <20021008230740.D28264@beck.localnet> References: <20021009034024.GC19377@isis.visi.com> <20021008230740.D28264@beck.localnet> Message-ID: <20021009042420.GH19377@isis.visi.com> On Tue, Oct 08, 2002 at 11:07:40PM -0500, Scot Jenkins wrote: > if you find one, please post it to the list as I'm in the process of > setting up a local ftp server for this saturday's installfest. Well I was getting a blistering 7-10 kB/s from the main SuSE ftp site. Does that count? :-) Alternatively, has anyone seen SuSE 8.1 in a retail store yet? I was at MicroCenter this afternoon and the guy there said he expected it in a week or so. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From tanner at real-time.com Tue Oct 8 23:54:46 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Good SuSE mirror In-Reply-To: <20021009034024.GC19377@isis.visi.com>; from wilson@visi.com on Tue, Oct 08, 2002 at 10:40:24PM -0500 References: <20021009034024.GC19377@isis.visi.com> Message-ID: <20021008234919.B2277@real-time.com> Quoting Tim Wilson (wilson@visi.com): > Anyone know of a good SuSE mirror that has 8.1 ready to go? I'd like to > try it out. Doesn't suse have some sort of non-mirror policy? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From wilson at visi.com Wed Oct 9 07:00:06 2002 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG's political influence Message-ID: <20021009114956.GA6455@isis.visi.com> Good morning all, The recent post to the list about the political candidates' positions on technology issues caught my eye. I would think that the TCLUG, with its x,xxx members, is a large enough group that the candidates might be willing to reply to a formal request for a position statement. I am willing to write an email and send it to the four major party candidates in the two state-wide MN races. What issues should be included? Possibilities: * DMCA * Eldred vs. Ashcroft * CBDTPA What do you think? What other issues should be included (or what should be deleted)? Clay or Bob, how many subscribers to TCLUG are there these days? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Oct 9 07:41:26 2002 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel recompile - no network? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Munir Nassar wrote: > permission denied? when you tried to download the kernel RPM? that is > really wierd, try ftp.mn-linux.com "ftp.mn-linux.com could not be found. Please check the name and try again." You wouldn't happen to mean ftp.mn-linux.ORG, would you? Jima From ben_b at ppdonline.com Wed Oct 9 07:55:29 2002 From: ben_b at ppdonline.com (Ben Bargabus) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG's political influence References: <20021009114956.GA6455@isis.visi.com> Message-ID: <3DA421B7.579F58BB@ppdonline.com> > Clay or Bob, how many subscribers to TCLUG are there these days? Whatever number you come up with subtract one, I do not want to be a part of any group political statement. Ben. From list at slushpupie.com Wed Oct 9 08:31:22 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG's political influence In-Reply-To: <3DA421B7.579F58BB@ppdonline.com> References: <20021009114956.GA6455@isis.visi.com> <3DA421B7.579F58BB@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: <1034169540.11784.6.camel@jay-linux.internal.teamfreeze.com> On Wed, 2002-10-09 at 07:31, Ben Bargabus wrote: > > Clay or Bob, how many subscribers to TCLUG are there these days? > > > Whatever number you come up with subtract one, I do not want to be a > part of any group political statement. > Ben. I don't think the point is to make a political statement, but to get one from the candidates. I think with the x,xxx members we have, trying to get anything close to a "group political statement" would be near impossible, at least in this setting. I am sure everyone on this list has some legal/political issue relating to technology they have pondered about at the least, and to make a better choice when voting, it would be good to hear the positions of the various candidates. I, for one, would like to hear what their position on the DMCA is. In addition, any views they have on legislation regarding SPAM is a plus, but that can be a very wide topic. Jay From John.Miller at rbcdain.com Wed Oct 9 08:36:16 2002 From: John.Miller at rbcdain.com (Miller, John) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] write permissions not staying set Message-ID: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940236A950@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> My dad is have the problem on Mandrake 8.0 where he changes to root, change the write permission on a different directory /home/john to allow him to write to it. He then does an sftp into /home/john and after a couple of file transmissions the write permission disappears and he has to go and change it again. Any idea why it is doing that? TIA John Miller Software Developer Phone: 612-547-7573 Fax: 612-547-7580 Mail Stop: T23 MailTo:john.miller@rbcdain.com From kethry at winternet.com Wed Oct 9 08:42:02 2002 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Web Mail In-Reply-To: <20021008151436.GB10332@rephil.org> Message-ID: Phil said... > > Everyone has an e-mail account, and I run courier-imap. There's a > Zope webmail that lets us at least read web-mail, but I know there are > better solutions for webmail stuff. (I use mutt to the imap server > instead anyway, but it's nice to at least look and see if there's > anything requiring urgent attention from wherever one happens to be, > and my wife uses regular e-mail at home, and her work acct. at work.) That brings up another question. I've got postfix running at home for our mail server, with squirrelmail running as the web mail server. I'm not thrilled with it - it's slow, it's annoying, and it keeps dumping non-spam into the spam folder no matter how hard I try. I've also got an issue with my server rejecting all mail from earthlink unless it's a reply, and I've checked with the sender of said mail, and the email address she's using is correct. I didn't have this issue before installing squirrelmail - Anyone have any other good ideas for a webmail system? I was originally looking for something that I could eventually customize for the girls into something really fun for them - and squirrelmail was the only suggestion I'd been given at the time. Take care, Liz -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From list at slushpupie.com Wed Oct 9 09:02:43 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] write permissions not staying set In-Reply-To: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940236A950@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940236A950@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Message-ID: <1034171516.11783.9.camel@jay-linux.internal.teamfreeze.com> Been a while since I used Mandrake, but dosnt it have some daemon that checks permissions? If that is running, it may be putting users home directories back to a set owner/mode. I think it has something to do with the security setting you choose while installing. Jay On Wed, 2002-10-09 at 07:04, Miller, John wrote: > My dad is have the problem on Mandrake 8.0 where he changes to root, change the write permission on a different directory /home/john to allow him to write to it. He then does an sftp into /home/john and after a couple of file transmissions the write permission disappears and he has to go and change it again. > > Any idea why it is doing that? > > TIA > > John Miller > Software Developer > Phone: 612-547-7573 > Fax: 612-547-7580 > Mail Stop: T23 > MailTo:john.miller@rbcdain.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amy at real-time.com Wed Oct 9 09:03:09 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Web Mail In-Reply-To: ; from kethry@winternet.com on Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 08:26:11AM -0500 References: <20021008151436.GB10332@rephil.org> Message-ID: <20021009085133.Z13779@real-time.com> On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 08:26:11AM -0500, Liz Burke-Scovill (kethry@winternet.com) wrote: > > That brings up another question. I've got postfix running at home for our > mail server, with squirrelmail running as the web mail server. I'm not > thrilled with it - it's slow, it's annoying, and it keeps dumping non-spam > into the spam folder no matter how hard I try. > > I've also got an issue with my server rejecting all mail from earthlink > unless it's a reply, and I've checked with the sender of said mail, and > the email address she's using is correct. I didn't have this issue before > installing squirrelmail - Squirrelmail shouldn't affect mail delivery since it's just an imap client. I would check your postfix configuration. We've been running squirrelmail at work for about a year without any problems. > Anyone have any other good ideas for a webmail system? I was originally > looking for something that I could eventually customize for the girls into > something really fun for them - and squirrelmail was the only suggestion > I'd been given at the time. Another one you could try: imp http://www.horde.org/imp/3.1/ -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 524 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021009/fcd76864/attachment.pgp From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Oct 9 09:03:25 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Web Mail In-Reply-To: References: <20021008151436.GB10332@rephil.org> Message-ID: <20021009135157.GP15765@techmonkeys.org> On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 08:26:11AM -0500, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > Anyone have any other good ideas for a webmail system? I was originally > looking for something that I could eventually customize for the girls into > something really fun for them - and squirrelmail was the only suggestion > I'd been given at the time. IMP is excellent, and very multi-lingual. http://www.horde.org/imp/ Screenshots: http://www.horde.org/imp/screenshots/ Demo site: http://www.horde.org/demo/ > > Take care, > Liz -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From cdf123 at cdf123.com Wed Oct 9 09:09:53 2002 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] write permissions not staying set In-Reply-To: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940236A950@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> References: <5F82C717009DF446AD6C89008A29F3940236A950@MAIL4.corp.isib.net> Message-ID: <1034171289.10226.7.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Mandrake has a security program that resets the permissions on home directories (an much more I'm sure). cd to /etc/cron.hourly and remove the msec link. you shouldn't have any more problems with it. Chris Frederick On Wed, 2002-10-09 at 07:04, Miller, John wrote: My dad is have the problem on Mandrake 8.0 where he changes to root, change the write permission on a different directory /home/john to allow him to write to it. He then does an sftp into /home/john and after a couple of file transmissions the write permission disappears and he has to go and change it again. Any idea why it is doing that? TIA John Miller Software Developer Phone: 612-547-7573 Fax: 612-547-7580 Mail Stop: T23 MailTo:john.miller@rbcdain.com _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Is there anything that can be done to make this transition easier? (preferably without doing something that will get me fired, like telling them that they're morons) Does anyone know if it is actually possible for them to not allow me to receive my mail unless it is through LookOut? - Kremer From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Oct 9 09:23:10 2002 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Web Mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > That brings up another question. I've got postfix running at home for our > mail server, with squirrelmail running as the web mail server. I'm not > thrilled with it - it's slow, it's annoying, and it keeps dumping non-spam > into the spam folder no matter how hard I try. > > I've also got an issue with my server rejecting all mail from earthlink > unless it's a reply, and I've checked with the sender of said mail, and > the email address she's using is correct. I didn't have this issue before > installing squirrelmail - Unless I'm missing something, I don't see how Squirrelmail could be causing this. Squirrelmail only shows you what's in your IMAP mailboxes. It doesn't act as a local delivery agent/mail transport agent. It's essentially a mail client that runs on a web server. I haven't heard any complaints about it being slow, but maybe my users are too scared of BOFH-ish retaliation to bring it up. Annoying? Sure. What in particular that irks me about it is its dependence on cookies. I hacked an older version of Squirrelmail to not use cookies, but it required so much modification that it's essentially impossible to maintain, so that installation is sitting at a rather old version. It wasn't really worth the effort (but then, I barely know PHP). > Anyone have any other good ideas for a webmail system? I was originally > looking for something that I could eventually customize for the girls into > something really fun for them - and squirrelmail was the only suggestion > I'd been given at the time. Nope, not that I can endorse offhand. Most of the other options when I looked into this last year were too much of a pain to set up. Maybe some others have suggestions. Jima From jared-linux at mn.rr.com Wed Oct 9 09:33:20 2002 From: jared-linux at mn.rr.com (Jared Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG's political influence In-Reply-To: <20021009114956.GA6455@isis.visi.com> References: <20021009114956.GA6455@isis.visi.com> Message-ID: Great idea. I'd also like spam added to the list. Thanks, - Jared On Wednesday 09 October 2002 06:49 am, you wrote: > Good morning all, > > The recent post to the list about the political candidates' positions on > technology issues caught my eye. I would think that the TCLUG, with its > x,xxx members, is a large enough group that the candidates might be > willing to reply to a formal request for a position statement. I am > willing to write an email and send it to the four major party candidates > in the two state-wide MN races. What issues should be included? > > Possibilities: > > * DMCA > > * Eldred vs. Ashcroft > > * CBDTPA > > What do you think? What other issues should be included (or what should > be deleted)? > > Clay or Bob, how many subscribers to TCLUG are there these days? > > -Tim From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Oct 9 09:47:19 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel recompile - no network? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1034173707.16368.14.camel@titanium.sistina.com> On Tue, 2002-10-08 at 09:57, Munir Nassar wrote: > On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Randy Clarksean wrote: > > > p.s. I did try and download the items suggested ... but permission was > > denied. The security type things on this AMD machine are not an issue > > for me - it is behind the firewall and if someone makes it that far that > > is the least of my concerns. > > permission denied? when you tried to download the kernel RPM? that is > really wierd, try ftp.mn-linux.com Trying being in a local directory you can write to..... > > Munir Nassar > RedConcepts.NET > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | | "If you love something set it free, if it doesn't come back to you hunt it down and set it on fire" -- George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I joined to exchange ideas and tech support for fellow users, not be a party to or follow along with some boring political dribble. > Ben. > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | | "If you love something set it free, if it doesn't come back to you hunt it down and set it on fire" -- George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021009/caf26e26/attachment.pgp From wilson at visi.com Wed Oct 9 10:05:02 2002 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG's political influence In-Reply-To: <1034169540.11784.6.camel@jay-linux.internal.teamfreeze.com> References: <20021009114956.GA6455@isis.visi.com> <3DA421B7.579F58BB@ppdonline.com> <1034169540.11784.6.camel@jay-linux.internal.teamfreeze.com> Message-ID: <20021009144922.GA13299@isis.visi.com> On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 08:18:58AM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > On Wed, 2002-10-09 at 07:31, Ben Bargabus wrote: > > > Clay or Bob, how many subscribers to TCLUG are there these days? > > > > > > Whatever number you come up with subtract one, I do not want to be a > > part of any group political statement. > > I don't think the point is to make a political statement, but to get one > from the candidates. I think with the x,xxx members we have, trying to > get anything close to a "group political statement" would be near > impossible, at least in this setting. The point is most definitely NOT to make a political statement. That would be impossible for the reasons Jay mentioned. My thinking is that any group of hundreds or thousands of people are a significant constituency for a politician and stand a better chance of being listened to than an individual. In other words, a large group is more likely to get their questions answered than a single person. One person can be safely ignored, but 2,000 is a different story. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com Wed Oct 9 10:08:45 2002 From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: how to deal with MS obsessed employers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1034175085.3527.15.camel@edith> On Wed, 2002-10-09 at 09:09, Justin Kremer wrote: > I got to work today and when I checked my e-mail there was a message from > our system administrator saying that our parent company is forcing him to > make some changes at our site. > 1) We will be logging into their flaky, virus-ridden domain > 2) We will be switching our AntiVirus package from Symantec (which has > been working well for us) to McAfee (which doesn't seem to be working well > for them) > 3) We will be forced to use Outlook for e-mail...no longer are we allowed > to use Eudora, Netscape, Mozilla, etc. > It is really painful because we have about 99% uptime in house right now, > and from what I have gathered, our parent company has significant network > down time at least once a week. > Is there anything that can be done to make this transition easier? > (preferably without doing something that will get me fired, like > telling them that they're morons) Does anyone know if it is actually > possible for them to not allow me to receive my mail unless it is through > LookOut? > Extremely short term: run the lookout web client to get you your mail. Short term: install CrossOver Office and use Lookout. Longer term: start looking for a more sane environment. Drop me a note if the new sane environment is looking for a Sys Admin :-) Good luck, Kelly Black KB0GBJ From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Oct 9 10:11:03 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: how to deal with MS obsessed employers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1034174306.16369.24.camel@titanium.sistina.com> On Wed, 2002-10-09 at 09:09, Justin Kremer wrote: > I got to work today and when I checked my e-mail there was a message from > our system administrator saying that our parent company is forcing him to > make some changes at our site. > 1) We will be logging into their flaky, virus-ridden domain Are you allowed to have a firewall at least? One that would let you limit incoming connections from that network? > 2) We will be switching our AntiVirus package from Symantec (which has > been working well for us) to McAfee (which doesn't seem to be working well > for them) I've had problems with both and prefer sohpos (http://www.sophos.com) > 3) We will be forced to use Outlook for e-mail...no longer are we allowed > to use Eudora, Netscape, Mozilla, etc. > It is really painful because we have about 99% uptime in house right now, > and from what I have gathered, our parent company has significant network > down time at least once a week. > Is there anything that can be done to make this transition easier? > (preferably without doing something that will get me fired, like > telling them that they're morons) Does anyone know if it is actually > possible for them to not allow me to receive my mail unless it is through > LookOut? You can increase the security of outlook with a few simple tasks. Disabling VB shit is one, google for the others. Standardizing eliminates a great deal of tech support head ache. I'm not saying their choice is right or wrong, just offering up some reason why they may choose to do this. Unless you can get your bosses to talk to their bosses, I'd say you're fooked. Perhaps you can convince them to let you run a BDC (use samba ;-) and employ sophos command line scanner on the shares. (My post was of extremely low value, sorry) -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | | "If you love something set it free, if it doesn't come back to you hunt it down and set it on fire" -- George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Jima wrote: > You wouldn't happen to mean ftp.mn-linux.ORG, would you? no Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET From follower at usfamily.net Wed Oct 9 11:20:48 2002 From: follower at usfamily.net (Fredrick Fleming) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG's political influence References: <20021009114956.GA6455@isis.visi.com> Message-ID: <3DA44D6B.8859B732@usfamily.net> > > > I'd also like spam added to the list. > It would seem to me that after the "WAR ON MICROSOFT" and the fact that many company are having problem's with people playing games on there computer, that they would be moving to something like LINUX, one it is a UNIX type system that is also FREE. This would be a system that would save the government BILLION of dollars!!!! my two sense worth. ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Oct 9 11:44:33 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel recompile - no network? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20021009163147.GQ15765@techmonkeys.org> On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 11:09:42AM -0500, Munir Nassar wrote: > On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Jima wrote: > > > You wouldn't happen to mean ftp.mn-linux.ORG, would you? > > no whois mn-linux.com [whois.crsnic.net] Whois Server Version 1.3 Domain names in the .com, .net, and .org domains can now be registered with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net for detailed information. No match for "MN-LINUX.COM". =) > > Munir Nassar > RedConcepts.NET -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From cncole at earthlink.net Wed Oct 9 12:39:32 2002 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG's political influence In-Reply-To: <1034173871.16368.18.camel@titanium.sistina.com> Message-ID: <004b01c26fb9$13dc41f0$fa67fea9@HPZT> I'm not interested either: for TCLUG or TCWUG to try to be known and active politically is almost legal suicide for these groups. Most political activity of the type suggested is exactly what the IRS cites as basis to deny non-profit 501c3 status and declare the group a lobbying entity like a union. These groups must become non-profit corporations in order to have any projects or to own and manage assets; however, the choices are well-defined legally but allow some personalization. Political activity almost negates technical activity that's the whole reason we are here. Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Ben Lutgens > > > On Wed, 2002-10-09 at 07:31, Ben Bargabus wrote: > > > Clay or Bob, how many subscribers to TCLUG are there these days? > > > > > > Whatever number you come up with subtract one, I do not want to be a > > part of any group political statement. > > Agreed. I also do not believe that _this_list_ should be the forum for > such discussions. I joined to exchange ideas and tech support > for fellow > users, not be a party to or follow along with some boring political > dribble. > > > Ben. > > _______________________________________________ From sraun at fireopal.org Wed Oct 9 13:04:13 2002 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Web Mail In-Reply-To: References: <20021008151436.GB10332@rephil.org> Message-ID: <20021009174510.GC14771@fireopal.org> On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 08:26:11AM -0500, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > Anyone have any other good ideas for a webmail system? I was originally > looking for something that I could eventually customize for the girls into > something really fun for them - and squirrelmail was the only suggestion > I'd been given at the time. NeoMail - http://neomail.sourceforge.net/ Development is currently suspended, but the author is encouraging people to fork it and let him know so he can maintain a list. I don't recall what the exact status is of forks - I've been pleased with version 1.25 (most recent release). His company has a new intellectual property clause as of 1/1/02 that could be interpreted to mean said company owns this private code. He doesn't want to fight it at this time, and doesn't want to maybe have to deal with it later, so he's not updating until such time as they change the policy, or he leaves (neither of which is currently a high probability?). -- Scott Raun sraun@fireopal.org From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Oct 9 13:35:32 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:11 2005 Subject: [OT] RE: [TCLUG] TCLUG's political influence In-Reply-To: <004b01c26fb9$13dc41f0$fa67fea9@HPZT> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Chuck Cole wrote: > I'm not interested either: for TCLUG or TCWUG to try to be known and active > politically is almost legal suicide for these groups. Ummm... why does this suddenly make us "politically active"? What the original poster suggests is finding out where politicians stand on all the anti-tech BS that's being passed. I don't see the problem with that. Even if one candidate came back saying he's writing a bill to abolish the DMCA, that's not necessarily saying that he's the candiate I should vote for. Sure, it's kudos to him, but then you have to weigh that against issues that you personally find important. Some consider schooling for their children more important than the DMCA. Hey, vote for whoever you want to. Even if it became obvious which candidate should be considered the "geeks choice", the LUG wouldn't stand up and endorse him. Shoot, half of us probably don't like the guy and we'd vote for the other guy in spite. I don't think contacting each candidate for questioning by a representative of the LUG makes us politically active, politically aligned, or show any endorsement of any kind to anyone. -Brian From tanner at real-time.com Wed Oct 9 13:41:57 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:12 2005 Subject: DEAD THREAD was Re: [TCLUG] TCLUG's political influence In-Reply-To: <3DA44D6B.8859B732@usfamily.net>; from follower@usfamily.net on Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 10:38:20AM -0500 References: <20021009114956.GA6455@isis.visi.com> <3DA44D6B.8859B732@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <20021009125510.D2277@real-time.com> This thread has nothing to do with Linux. Please consider this thread dead. If you have questions, see http://mailman.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2002-September/053452.html Thanks. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. 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(Maybe with OS-X you can run Samba to export mac disks in Windows format?) -- David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Oct 9 14:53:27 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] home servers for family use In-Reply-To: References: <20021008034947.GB6537@isis.visi.com> <1034050632.2107.4.camel@rtfm> Message-ID: <1034192710.16368.46.camel@titanium.sistina.com> On Wed, 2002-10-09 at 13:57, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > Ben Lutgens writes: > > > samba (usable by MACs, *nix, and D0ze) > > Whoa. > > Do you mean that Samba can export a share in a way that Macs can > access it native? If so, that's new. Or do you just mean that Macs > can install software to let them access Windows shares, and this works > with Samba too? That approach we're already using. It's my understanding that OSX and read and write CIFS filesystems. I'll know more by next week as my iBook is due to arrive within the week. > > Or something else entirely? (Maybe with OS-X you can run Samba to > export mac disks in Windows format?) > -- > David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@dd-b.net / http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/ > John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net > Dragaera mailing lists, see http://dragaera.info > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | | "If you love something set it free, if it doesn't come back to you hunt it down and set it on fire" -- George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Yes, my wife's eMac running OS X 10.1 can access our Samba server just fine. -- Dave Sherman | "They that can give up essential liberty MCSE, MCSA, CCNA | to obtain a little temporary safety | deserve neither liberty nor safety." | - Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021009/ed6d0e56/attachment.pgp From uak at nerp.net Wed Oct 9 16:06:16 2002 From: uak at nerp.net (uak) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] HOWTO Encourage Women in Linux In-Reply-To: <1032614696.3d8c732863ee7@webmail.acad.bethel.edu> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Peter: Just reading my TCLUG emails here... Thank you for posting this!! I found several very good resources from it. Cheers!, Ursula On Sat, 21 Sep 2002, Peter Clark wrote: > http://www.nmt.edu/~val/howto.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9pJhnePaIMdQwbFIRAgBNAKDv9GBX76PxBxu58NVcjWthiXjvTwCg6ZGz oMmzj9154JZ4acmjVXGrp1g= =Qe/t -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com Wed Oct 9 18:14:23 2002 From: MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com (Mark Courtney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Web Mail In-Reply-To: <20021009174510.GC14771@fireopal.org> References: <20021008151436.GB10332@rephil.org> <20021009174510.GC14771@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <63446.209.98.213.140.1034203587.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> Neomail is a great interface. I used it for a while, but I recently moved to SquirrelMail. Neomail does not display html e-mail by default. This was my main reason for switching. While html e-mail is usually spam, if you're setting it up for others, there's a good chance they won't appreciate that. Hotmail sends e-mail html by default and it looks messy in Neomail. You can see all the html code. > On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 08:26:11AM -0500, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: >> Anyone have any other good ideas for a webmail system? I was >> originally looking for something that I could eventually customize for >> the girls into something really fun for them - and squirrelmail was >> the only suggestion I'd been given at the time. > > NeoMail - http://neomail.sourceforge.net/ > > Development is currently suspended, but the author is encouraging > people to fork it and let him know so he can maintain a list. I don't > recall what the exact status is of forks - I've been pleased with > version 1.25 (most recent release). > > His company has a new intellectual property clause as of 1/1/02 that > could be interpreted to mean said company owns this private code. He > doesn't want to fight it at this time, and doesn't want to maybe have to > deal with it later, so he's not updating until such time as they change > the policy, or he leaves (neither of which is currently a high > probability?). > > -- > Scott Raun > sraun@fireopal.org > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From doughanson at attbi.com Wed Oct 9 23:07:58 2002 From: doughanson at attbi.com (Doug Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sgi indy and pc for sale... References: Message-ID: <008501c2700e$e675d450$0400a8c0@doug> Is it still for sale? (the DELL) Please email me offline @ doughanson@attbi.com Thanks, Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Kilbane" To: Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 12:53 AM Subject: [TCLUG] sgi indy and pc for sale... > I have a loaded SGI indy for sale > > R5000 150 mhz processor > 128 megs ram > 5 gigs hd > external magnito optical drive with lots of disks > external scsi zip drive > 17 inch sony monitor flatscreen > Has IRIX 6.5.12 installed > > Aksing $200 obo > > Dell 850 mhz PIII > 8.4 hd > riva TNT2 ultra 32 meg video or vodoo III card > 32x scsi cdrom > adaptec scsi 2 adapter > nic > sound on board + sound blaster 16 for linux > two nic cards (3com) > the floppy on this unit doesn't work, never needed it.... > > Asking $200 obo > > I may have a pair of extra 2 gig hds to throw in too > have to test these though... > > Colin Kilbane > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jack at jacku.com Wed Oct 9 23:14:05 2002 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SUSE Mirrors Message-ID: <200210092258.58448.jack@jacku.com> Okay this should be a response to Tim's message but I blew it and deleted the message (reflex) before replying. The following can be found as links by going to the Downloads page off of www.suse.com. See the site for specifics. I don't remember exactly but I think I've used the Atlanta, Chicago, and Bloomington, IN sites with success. I don't know if they have 8.1 or not. USA ftp-linux.cc.gatech.edu/pub/linux/distributions/suse/suse/ (Georgia, Atlanta) complete mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/ftp.suse.com/ (Illinois, Chicago) complete chuck.ucs.indiana.edu/linux/suse/suse/ (Indiana, Bloomington) i386, ppc, ppc64 ftp.rpmfind.net/linux/SuSE-Linux/ (Massachusetts, Boston) i386, ppc, ppc64 distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/suse/suse/ (North Carolina, Chapel Hill) axp, i386, ia64 ftp.annexa.org/pub/suse/ (New York, Rochester) i386 -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From dante at plethora.net Wed Oct 9 23:44:59 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG's political influence In-Reply-To: <3DA421B7.579F58BB@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Ben Bargabus wrote: > > Clay or Bob, how many subscribers to TCLUG are there these days? > > > Whatever number you come up with subtract one, I do not want to be a > part of any group political statement. I would note that the IP interest group (mnipsummit) would/should be the appropriate vector for this. TCLUG should remain more technically focussed (IMO). -- Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net And Carthage must be destroyed! From jeffr at odeon.net Wed Oct 9 23:50:17 2002 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG's political influence In-Reply-To: <3DA421B7.579F58BB@ppdonline.com> Message-ID: I think it was less of a political statement and more of a let's get to know our candidates before we have to vote a couple of them into office. I'm fairly confident that Tim was just trying to come up with a few topics of broad interest to the TCLUG, to help the people in the group learn more about the candidates and their feelings on issues that are of importance to the average linux geek. Knowing more relevent information about our potential soon-to-be elected representatives is a good thing. Jeff On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Ben Bargabus wrote: > > Clay or Bob, how many subscribers to TCLUG are there these days? > > > Whatever number you come up with subtract one, I do not want to be a > part of any group political statement. > Ben. > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Wed Oct 9 23:54:12 2002 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (James Kaufman) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Web Mail In-Reply-To: References: <20021008151436.GB10332@rephil.org> Message-ID: <20021009140754.GA26595@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 08:26:11AM -0500, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > > That brings up another question. I've got postfix running at home for our > mail server, with squirrelmail running as the web mail server. I'm not > thrilled with it - it's slow, it's annoying, and it keeps dumping non-spam > into the spam folder no matter how hard I try. > > I've also got an issue with my server rejecting all mail from earthlink > unless it's a reply, and I've checked with the sender of said mail, and > the email address she's using is correct. I didn't have this issue before > installing squirrelmail - > > Anyone have any other good ideas for a webmail system? I was originally > looking for something that I could eventually customize for the girls into > something really fun for them - and squirrelmail was the only suggestion > I'd been given at the time. > > Take care, > Liz > I have postfix running with Squirrelmail as the web server. My daughters like it a lot. They haven't had any problems or complaints about slowness. How does the slowness manifest itself? Are the screen redraws slow? Does it take a long time to respond to keypresses? What version are you running? I've got version 1.2.8 running here. How could squirrelmail reject mail? Wouldn't that be a postfix issue? -- Jim Kaufman mailto:jmk@linuxforbusiness.net Linux Evangelist cell: 612-481-9778 public key 0x6D802619 fax: 952-937-9832 From joel at joelschneider.net Thu Oct 10 00:28:38 2002 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: how to deal with MS obsessed employers In-Reply-To: ; from kremer@ringworld.org on Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 09:09:32AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20021010001930.A9377@joelschneider.net> On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 09:09:32AM -0500, Justin Kremer wrote: > It is really painful because we have about 99% uptime in house right now, > and from what I have gathered, our parent company has significant network > down time at least once a week. Send them a copy of The Unix Guide to Defenestration? http://www.winface.com/ -- Joel Schneider Jazz - jazz88fm.com joel@joelschneider.net ISEE - www.i-see.org From follower at usfamily.net Thu Oct 10 05:14:06 2002 From: follower at usfamily.net (Fredrick Edward Fleming) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where will the Installfest be Message-ID: <3DA545B6.DF58C1D6@usfamily.net> Please tell me where the Installfest will be herald at and the times. Thank you Fred -- WOW will you look at this, a NEWBIE using PINE!!!! ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021010/7694be7a/attachment.htm From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Oct 10 07:03:49 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where will the Installfest be In-Reply-To: <3DA545B6.DF58C1D6@usfamily.net> References: <3DA545B6.DF58C1D6@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <20021010112043.GR15765@techmonkeys.org> On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 04:17:42AM -0500, Fredrick Edward Fleming wrote: > Please tell me where the Installfest will be herald at and the times. http://www.mn-linux.org/installfest > > Thank you > Fred > > -- > WOW will you look at this, a NEWBIE using PINE!!!! heh. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From wilson at visi.com Thu Oct 10 07:26:55 2002 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SUSE Mirrors In-Reply-To: <200210092258.58448.jack@jacku.com> References: <200210092258.58448.jack@jacku.com> Message-ID: <20021010121212.GA20460@isis.visi.com> On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 10:58:58PM -0500, Jack Ungerleider wrote: > > The following can be found as links by going to the Downloads page off of > www.suse.com. See the site for specifics. I don't remember exactly but I > think I've used the Atlanta, Chicago, and Bloomington, IN sites with success. > I don't know if they have 8.1 or not. They don't. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From scot at thinkunix.net Thu Oct 10 08:30:29 2002 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where will the Installfest be In-Reply-To: <3DA545B6.DF58C1D6@usfamily.net>; from follower@usfamily.net on Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 04:17:42AM -0500 References: <3DA545B6.DF58C1D6@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <20021010081402.D19611@okane.localnet> Fredrick Edward Fleming wrote: > Please tell me where the Installfest will be herald at and the times. > -- > WOW will you look at this, a NEWBIE using PINE!!!! great, now fire up lynx and hit http://www.mn-linux.org/installfest/ -- -scot From chuck at redroot.org Thu Oct 10 10:11:02 2002 From: chuck at redroot.org (Chuck Milam) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: how to deal with MS obsessed employers In-Reply-To: <20021010001930.A9377@joelschneider.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Joel Schneider wrote: > Send them a copy of The Unix Guide to Defenestration? I really hope the author changes the title for his second edition. The title alone is enough to cause Windows bigots to ignore the book. -- Chuck Milam chuck@redroot.org From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Oct 10 10:38:23 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Good SuSE mirror In-Reply-To: <20021008234919.B2277@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Tim Wilson (wilson@visi.com): > > Anyone know of a good SuSE mirror that has 8.1 ready to go? I'd like to > > try it out. > > Doesn't suse have some sort of non-mirror policy? yes they do, a lot of the software on the suse cds is not-free (open source or otherwise) Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET From silwenae at silwenae.com Thu Oct 10 12:21:24 2002 From: silwenae at silwenae.com (silwenae@silwenae.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apt for Red Hat Message-ID: <1034266735.3da5a86f15fa9@www.silwenae.com> I just installed Red Hat 8.0 last night, and one of the first things I did was go to freshrpms.net and installed apt and synaptic for Red Hat 8.0. (Then I was in bliss using apt to add a number of packages). Being fairly new to apt, I am assuming I want add Bob's apt repository for Red Hat 8 to my sources list, as a local mirror is always good to have. I guess my question is, is that I just don't want to mess anything up, and are there any gotchas that I should be aware of? Thanks! Paul silwenae@silwenae.com From scot at thinkunix.net Thu Oct 10 12:50:22 2002 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Irix cd's Message-ID: <20021010123523.A1399@okane.localnet> sorry for the off topic post; I recently purchased a used SGI Indy and want to reload IRIX for security reasons. If anyone has a set of IRIX 6.5 media and is planning on attending the installfest this Saturday, please bring the media with you. TIA. -- -scot From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Oct 10 13:23:02 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apt for Red Hat In-Reply-To: <1034266735.3da5a86f15fa9@www.silwenae.com> References: <1034266735.3da5a86f15fa9@www.silwenae.com> Message-ID: <1034273166.6669.18.camel@titanium.sistina.com> On Thu, 2002-10-10 at 11:18, silwenae@silwenae.com wrote: > I just installed Red Hat 8.0 last night, and one of the first things I did was > go to freshrpms.net and installed apt and synaptic for Red Hat 8.0. (Then I > was in bliss using apt to add a number of packages). > > Being fairly new to apt, I am assuming I want add Bob's apt repository for Red > Hat 8 to my sources list, as a local mirror is always good to have. I guess my > question is, is that I just don't want to mess anything up, and are there any > gotchas that I should be aware of? Bob's mirror seems to be broken an awful lot WRT to apt so I leave it out of my sources.list. Stick with freshrpms it's more than adequate. No offense Bob. > > Thanks! > > Paul > silwenae@silwenae.com > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | | "If you love something set it free, if it doesn't come back to you hunt it down and set it on fire" -- George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021010/fb87473a/attachment.pgp From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Oct 10 16:08:12 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apt for Red Hat In-Reply-To: <1034273166.6669.18.camel@titanium.sistina.com> References: <1034266735.3da5a86f15fa9@www.silwenae.com> <1034273166.6669.18.camel@titanium.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20021010204537.GS15765@techmonkeys.org> On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 01:06:06PM -0500, Ben Lutgens wrote: > Bob's mirror seems to be broken an awful lot WRT to apt so I leave it > out of my sources.list. Stick with freshrpms it's more than adequate. Broken, or full, either one, it breaks my apt install when I try to apt-get update, so I leave it out as well. > > No offense Bob. ditto. > -- > Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ > "If you love something set it free, if it doesn't come back to you > hunt it down and set it on fire" -- George Carlin haha. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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TIA. -- -scot _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Thu Oct 10 17:59:32 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apt for Red Hat In-Reply-To: <1034273166.6669.18.camel@titanium.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 01:06:06PM -0500 References: <1034266735.3da5a86f15fa9@www.silwenae.com> <1034273166.6669.18.camel@titanium.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20021010174640.E2277@real-time.com> Quoting Ben Lutgens (blutgens@sistina.com): > Bob's mirror seems to be broken an awful lot WRT to apt so I leave it > out of my sources.list. Stick with freshrpms it's more than adequate. > It's tclug's mirror. Works for me. (*shrug*) > No offense Bob. None taken. This is only the 2nd time I've heard that it doesn't work. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Oct 10 18:06:02 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apt for Red Hat In-Reply-To: <1034273166.6669.18.camel@titanium.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 01:06:06PM -0500 References: <1034266735.3da5a86f15fa9@www.silwenae.com> <1034273166.6669.18.camel@titanium.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20021010164633.A12743@real-time.com> Quoting Ben Lutgens (blutgens@sistina.com): > Bob's mirror seems to be broken an awful lot WRT to apt so I leave it > out of my sources.list. Stick with freshrpms it's more than adequate. > > No offense Bob. What doesn't work? The custom RPMs (greyhatpak, tclug-gamepack, etc) or the stock redhat stuff? I can understand the custom stuff not working, but the stock redhat stuff should always work. I just run the apt scripts over the RPMs. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From cgahlon at citilink.com Thu Oct 10 18:20:49 2002 From: cgahlon at citilink.com (Christopher A. Gahlon) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apt for Red Hat In-Reply-To: <20021010204537.GS15765@techmonkeys.org> References: <1034266735.3da5a86f15fa9@www.silwenae.com> <1034273166.6669.18.camel@titanium.sistina.com> <20021010204537.GS15765@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <200210101634.19883.cgahlon@citilink.com> On Thursday 10 October 2002 03:45 pm, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > > Bob's mirror seems to be broken an awful lot WRT to apt so I leave it > > out of my sources.list. Stick with freshrpms it's more than adequate. > > Broken, or full, either one, it breaks my apt install when I try > to apt-get update, so I leave it out as well. Hmmm... Other than being full (Thanks for the precious BW Bob!) I've never had a problem with it. Could it be your apt version? $ apt-get --version apt 0.3.19cnc55 for i386 compiled on Apr 18 2002 14:52:40 -- Chris MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant / Solitaire Expert f u cn rd ths, u cn gt a gd jb n cmptr prgrmmng. From tanner at real-time.com Thu Oct 10 18:30:29 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apt for Red Hat In-Reply-To: <20021010204537.GS15765@techmonkeys.org>; from poptix@techmonkeys.org on Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 03:45:37PM -0500 References: <1034266735.3da5a86f15fa9@www.silwenae.com> <1034273166.6669.18.camel@titanium.sistina.com> <20021010204537.GS15765@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20021010174736.F2277@real-time.com> Quoting Matthew S. Hallacy (poptix@techmonkeys.org): > Broken, or full, either one, it breaks my apt install when I try > to apt-get update, so I leave it out as well. > Full only to people who don't ask to be in the tclug class. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Oct 10 20:51:15 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apt for Red Hat In-Reply-To: <20021010174736.F2277@real-time.com> References: <1034266735.3da5a86f15fa9@www.silwenae.com> <1034273166.6669.18.camel@titanium.sistina.com> <20021010204537.GS15765@techmonkeys.org> <20021010174736.F2277@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20021011013325.GU15765@techmonkeys.org> On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 05:47:36PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Matthew S. Hallacy (poptix@techmonkeys.org): > > Broken, or full, either one, it breaks my apt install when I try > > to apt-get update, so I leave it out as well. > > > > Full only to people who don't ask to be in the tclug class. You added my IP to the tclug class 6 months ago when my address didn't resolve =) > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. > Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Fri Oct 11 02:55:22 2002 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG's political influence Message-ID: As Ben mentioned, this list may not be the place for Technopolitical chatter, but is there a email list that is (local to Minnesota)? I would be interested in knowing about it (and perhaps joining after I exit the Samba list again). If none exists, would Mr. Tanner create one? :-) I would really like to know the standing of our political candidates on technological issues, but I think it might be a distraction here. >>> wilson@visi.com 10/09/02 09:49AM >>> On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 08:18:58AM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > On Wed, 2002-10-09 at 07:31, Ben Bargabus wrote: > > > Clay or Bob, how many subscribers to TCLUG are there these days? > > Whatever number you come up with subtract one, > > I do not want to be a > > part of any group political statement. > I don't think the point is to make a political statement, but to get one > from the candidates. I think with the x,xxx members we have, trying to > get anything close to a "group political statement" would be near > impossible, at least in this setting. In other words, a large group is more likely to get their questions answered than a single person. One person can be safely ignored, but 2,000 is a different story. From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Oct 11 02:55:53 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Web Mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > That brings up another question. I've got postfix running at home for our > mail server, with squirrelmail running as the web mail server. I'm not > thrilled with it - it's slow, it's annoying, and it keeps dumping non-spam > into the spam folder no matter how hard I try. squirrelmail? slow? you've gotta be kidding me... it was kinda slow back in the day when i was using mbox style mail directories, but once i moved to Maildir it was pretty fast. email me off list, and i'll hook you up with an account on my squirrelmail install if you want to compare things. Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET From daniel_steeves at yahoo.com Fri Oct 11 10:05:43 2002 From: daniel_steeves at yahoo.com (Dan Steeves) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Red Hat 8.0 In-Reply-To: <1034266735.3da5a86f15fa9@www.silwenae.com> Message-ID: <20021011145352.44374.qmail@web20420.mail.yahoo.com> Can you tell me what you think of 8.0 so far? I am new to Linux, just installed 7.3 as my first Linux a couple weeks ago. I'm still learning and playing at this point. I have read that the 8.0 desktop upset some people for not being "open" enough. What are the pros and cons of upgrading right away to 8 for a newbie? Feel free to post your response if you think it will be of group interest. Thanks, Dan Steeves --- silwenae@silwenae.com wrote: > I just installed Red Hat 8.0 last night, and one of the first things I did > was > go to freshrpms.net and installed apt and synaptic for Red Hat 8.0. (Then I > was in bliss using apt to add a number of packages). > > Being fairly new to apt, I am assuming I want add Bob's apt repository for > Red > Hat 8 to my sources list, as a local mirror is always good to have. I guess > my > question is, is that I just don't want to mess anything up, and are there any > > gotchas that I should be aware of? > > Thanks! > > Paul > silwenae@silwenae.com > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list ===== Dan Steeves read my blog http://www.orangebike.blogspot.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From alcyone at slava.net Fri Oct 11 10:16:27 2002 From: alcyone at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apt for Red Hat In-Reply-To: <1034273166.6669.18.camel@titanium.sistina.com> References: <1034266735.3da5a86f15fa9@www.silwenae.com> <1034273166.6669.18.camel@titanium.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20021011134042.GA18949@sadalbari> I haven't had any problems with anything breaking with this in my sources.list. Every time I apt something I get: WARNING: 'tclug-gamepak' has 2 packages with same version but different dependencies. That usually means a packaging bug. but this is just a little annoying and doesn't interfere with the actual process of apt-getting what I want. Lorry What a fine Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 01:06:06PM -0500 it was when Ben Lutgens said: > > Bob's mirror seems to be broken an awful lot WRT to apt so I leave it > out of my sources.list. Stick with freshrpms it's more than adequate. > > No offense Bob. > From tanner at real-time.com Fri Oct 11 10:17:17 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apt for Red Hat In-Reply-To: <20021011013325.GU15765@techmonkeys.org>; from poptix@techmonkeys.org on Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 08:33:25PM -0500 References: <1034266735.3da5a86f15fa9@www.silwenae.com> <1034273166.6669.18.camel@titanium.sistina.com> <20021010204537.GS15765@techmonkeys.org> <20021010174736.F2277@real-time.com> <20021011013325.GU15765@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20021011084534.G2277@real-time.com> Quoting Matthew S. Hallacy (poptix@techmonkeys.org): > On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 05:47:36PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > Quoting Matthew S. Hallacy (poptix@techmonkeys.org): > > > Broken, or full, either one, it breaks my apt install when I try > > > to apt-get update, so I leave it out as well. > > > > > > > Full only to people who don't ask to be in the tclug class. > > You added my IP to the tclug class 6 months ago when my address > didn't resolve =) What class does it say when you log in? I've added a few things to the motd so that it's easier to see why you got a full message. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Oct 11 10:55:02 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apt for Red Hat In-Reply-To: <20021010174640.E2277@real-time.com> References: <1034266735.3da5a86f15fa9@www.silwenae.com> <1034273166.6669.18.camel@titanium.sistina.com> <20021010174640.E2277@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1034350830.6856.3.camel@titanium.sistina.com> On Thu, 2002-10-10 at 17:46, Bob Tanner wrote: > Quoting Ben Lutgens (blutgens@sistina.com): > > Bob's mirror seems to be broken an awful lot WRT to apt so I leave it > > out of my sources.list. Stick with freshrpms it's more than adequate. > > > > It's tclug's mirror. That was more a joke that I thought only you would catch bob. > > Works for me. (*shrug*) mmmm my favorite response to user problems ;-) > > > No offense Bob. > > None taken. Dammit! :-) -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | | "If you love something set it free, if it doesn't come back to you hunt it down and set it on fire" -- George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021011/0d9d5a3f/attachment.pgp From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Oct 11 11:03:14 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Red Hat 8.0 In-Reply-To: <20021011145352.44374.qmail@web20420.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021011145352.44374.qmail@web20420.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1034351159.6855.9.camel@titanium.sistina.com> On Fri, 2002-10-11 at 09:53, Dan Steeves wrote: > Can you tell me what you think of 8.0 so far? I am new to Linux, just > installed 7.3 as my first Linux a couple weeks ago. I'm still learning and > playing at this point. I have read that the 8.0 desktop upset some people for > not being "open" enough. What are the pros and cons of upgrading right away to > 8 for a newbie? I really like it. So far i've only put it on two desktops and one laptop and I'm very pleased. The OpenOffice.org install works great out of the box and when i stick a dvd in it fires up zine with the dvd5 plugin and i'm off to the races (likewise for audio cds, it starts up grip) I've stuck with the default desktop appearance (gnome2 with bluecurve) as I'm pleased with it as well so I've not dealt with themes and what not. Compiling seems to work fine for me as well and there was absolutely no tinkering with my hardware at all (except hardware accelerated X on my nvidia cards which was trivial). Network configuration was a little odd WRT wireless config. For example adding things to /etc/pcmcia/wireless.opts didn't seem to do jack, I used the GUI network tool to set SSID and KEY and all was well though I do miss SCHEMEs. It sure feels fast as well due mostly to GCC3 i believe. Not a very thorough review but I'm at work so it'll have to do. Cheers. > > Feel free to post your response if you think it will be of group interest. > > Thanks, Dan Steeves > > > --- silwenae@silwenae.com wrote: > > I just installed Red Hat 8.0 last night, and one of the first things I did > > was > > go to freshrpms.net and installed apt and synaptic for Red Hat 8.0. (Then I > > was in bliss using apt to add a number of packages). > > > > Being fairly new to apt, I am assuming I want add Bob's apt repository for > > Red > > Hat 8 to my sources list, as a local mirror is always good to have. I guess > > my > > question is, is that I just don't want to mess anything up, and are there any > > > > gotchas that I should be aware of? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Paul > > silwenae@silwenae.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > ===== > Dan Steeves > read my blog http://www.orangebike.blogspot.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More > http://faith.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | | "If you love something set it free, if it doesn't come back to you hunt it down and set it on fire" -- George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Stick with freshrpms it's more than adequate. this is why I like Grab for updating RH boxes. it's not as powerful as apt is in some ways (doing upgrades between major versions is a bit more painful); but it seems a lot less fragile in others, and more amenable to being beaten into compliance than apt. my main gripe with apt is that broken dependencies for *any* package, cause apt to throw up its hands and quit, rather than letting you say 'yes, I know there's something fscked up, do what I tell you anyway'. so no more rpm --nodeps installs (even when you know that the dependencies *are* actually satisfied, but can't convince rpm of it). the other really nice thing about grab is that it doesn't require anything to be done on the server side; you can just point it at an arbitrary repository of packages and it'll build its own databases (tho in the latest versions, it supports server-side dbases, just like apt has). http://www.runlevelzero.net/greg/grab/ Carl Soderstrom. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From kethry at winternet.com Fri Oct 11 11:15:12 2002 From: kethry at winternet.com (Liz Burke-Scovill) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Web Mail Redux In-Reply-To: <20021009140754.GA26595@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Message-ID: Thank you to those that responded. You're right, I am pretty sure that it's my postfix configuration that's causing the bounced mail. The spam folder stuff is probably squirrelmail because I don't have filters set up anywhere but through squirrelmail, in fact, if I open my mail in pine, new messages show up only in the inbox. The weird thing is that I have spam filtering shut off because it was dumping good messages into the spam folder, and I don't know of anyway to tell it that it's a good domain - and it's not consistent. Email from the same address could be directed either to inbox or spam for reasons unknown to me. > I have postfix running with Squirrelmail as the web server. My > daughters like it a lot. They haven't had any problems or > complaints about slowness. How does the slowness manifest itself? > Are the screen redraws slow? Does it take a long time to respond to > keypresses? What version are you running? I've got version 1.2.8 > running here. Slow to log in, slow to refresh, slow to open a new folder - but sometimes it's fast..most of the time it's slow. I'd installed 1.2.7 - didn't see that 1.2.8 was released until just now. To be perfectly honest, I'm very new to setting up my own mail server/web server on linux. I doubt I have it right, and I've gone and read and read and read to the point where it's just all one big blur. So I probably have things misconfigured - at first I was simply happy to have it up and running. *chuckle*. Thanks, Liz -- Imagination is intelligence having fun... e-mail: kethry@winternet.com URL: http://WWW.winternet.com/~kethry/index.html From scot at thinkunix.net Fri Oct 11 11:28:11 2002 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Web Mail Redux In-Reply-To: ; from kethry@winternet.com on Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 08:54:21AM -0500 References: <20021009140754.GA26595@jmksystem.kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> Message-ID: <20021011112114.B6109@okane.localnet> Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > Slow to log in, slow to refresh, slow to open a new folder - but sometimes > it's fast..most of the time it's slow. I'd installed 1.2.7 - didn't see > that 1.2.8 was released until just now. that's the nature of web-based apps; they're always slower then a local (running only on your workstation) application. Are you coming to the installfest? Do you have remote access to your mail server (say via ssh?) If so maybe you could have some of the other tclugers look at your squirrelmail config tomorrow. Just a thought... -- -scot From tanner at real-time.com Fri Oct 11 12:57:22 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] offical redhat packages for apache-1.3.27? Message-ID: <20021011124813.Y12663@real-time.com> Anyone hear why redhat has not released official updates for apache-1.3.27 and mod_ssl-2.8.11? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Oct 11 12:59:03 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG's political influence In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1034351236.6856.11.camel@titanium.sistina.com> On Wed, 2002-10-09 at 11:04, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > As Ben mentioned, this list may not be the > place for Technopolitical chatter, but is there > a email list that is (local to Minnesota)? > > I would be interested in knowing about it > (and perhaps joining after I exit the Samba > list again). If none exists, would Mr. > Tanner create one? :-) Mr. Tanner? I can just picture the look on Bob's face at that. > > I would really like to know the standing of > our political candidates on technological > issues, but I think it might be a distraction > here. > > >>> wilson@visi.com 10/09/02 09:49AM >>> > On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 08:18:58AM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > > On Wed, 2002-10-09 at 07:31, Ben Bargabus wrote: > > > > Clay or Bob, how many subscribers to TCLUG are there these days? > > > Whatever number you come up with subtract one, > > > I do not want to be a > > > part of any group political statement. > > I don't think the point is to make a political statement, but to get > one > > from the candidates. I think with the x,xxx members we have, trying > to > > get anything close to a "group political statement" would be near > > impossible, at least in this setting. > In other words, a large group is more > likely to get their questions answered than a single person. One > person > can be safely ignored, but 2,000 is a different story. > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | | "If you love something set it free, if it doesn't come back to you hunt it down and set it on fire" -- George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It would be great if someone had a squid.conf that works for RH 7.1 that I could view. Thanks in advance -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 From wilson at visi.com Fri Oct 11 13:00:25 2002 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Initial impressions: RedHat 8.0 and Mandrake 9.0 Message-ID: <20021011155211.GB19313@isis.visi.com> Hi everyone, I've installed and used both RedHat 8.0 and Mandrake 9.0 in the last week or so. Here are some initial impressions of both. Hopefully this will be of some use to those who are trying to decide with distribution to try. Test system: 1 GHz Athlon w/ 512 MB RAM, Matrox G450 video card (dual head), Kingston ethernet card (tulip chipset), CD-ROM, HP CD-RW (IDE), 20 GB IDE hard disk, el cheapo onboard sound (AC97?), USB mouse, and two Optiquest V75 monitors (17"). RedHat 8.0 ========== Install via ftp and CD-ROM was flawless. Installing from CD used a very nice GUI installer, while the ftp install used the older ncurses-based text installer. Everything was auto-detected except my dual head video. I poked around a bit, but never bothered to dig in and configure the X config file to get it to work. Once installed, the user interface is *great*! The font rendering is far and away the best I have ever seen on a Linux desktop. The RedHat engineers and designers have outdone themselves. Gnome is the default (of course), but KDE is there too. The "bluecurve" theme really does a nice job of creating a uniform interface between the Gnome and KDE environments. I think GCC 3.2 has really made a difference. All the apps seem faster now. Bottom line: A user new to Linux (but not new to computing) will have very little trouble getting going with RedHat 8.0. Your grandmother (to use the classic example) will have no more trouble with RedHat 8.0 than she would have with Win XP. Mandrake 9.0 ============ The ftp install crashed on my, but I had no problem installing from CD. I was blown away by Mandrake's auto-detection. I detected that I had a dual head system and offered to set it up right away (with the option of enabling Xinerama). You can install your printer during the install too and it will even scan your LAN to find printers. You are presented with a list of available printers and you can configure whichever ones you want. Mandrake uses KDE by default. I found a couple little problems. konsole wouldn't run (KDE terminal emulation program) and their appear to be some minor problems with the terminal settings. The look of things is good, but not as nice as RedHat. I noticed that Mandrake used supermount to mount the removable media. This is nice from a newbie perspective as it eliminates the need to manually mount and unmount the disks. Bottom line: Truly stellar auto-detection of hardware and an out-of-the-box system that has a lot of nice touches that make Linux easier to use for new users especially (e.g., supermount). Summary ======= There are a lot of similarities between these distros. Both use ext3 for the filesystem, gcc 3.2, and include nearly identical software. Both include software to keep your system up to date with security patches or new versions of the software you've installed. Overall, I liked RedHat 8.0 better, especially if you're trying to get a new user going on Linux. If RedHat had Mandrake's auto-detect capabilities, it would be no contest. Well that's my $0.02. Take it for what it's worth. YMMV. IANAL. Caveat emptor. Don't shoot the messenger. :-) I can elaborate on anything if someone has a question. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From blutgens at sistina.com Fri Oct 11 13:00:44 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Web Mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1034351553.6855.18.camel@titanium.sistina.com> On Wed, 2002-10-09 at 11:05, Munir Nassar wrote: > On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Liz Burke-Scovill wrote: > > > That brings up another question. I've got postfix running at home for our > > mail server, with squirrelmail running as the web mail server. I'm not > > thrilled with it - it's slow, it's annoying, and it keeps dumping non-spam > > into the spam folder no matter how hard I try. > I've not used the built-in filtering, that could be a real source of slowness as it doesn't filter until you open a mailbox. You could use procmail on the server itself to do the filtering and you'll most likely notice a definite speed increase. > squirrelmail? slow? you've gotta be kidding me... > > it was kinda slow back in the day when i was using mbox style mail > directories, but once i moved to Maildir it was pretty fast. Which makes sens as mbox is one large flat file as opposed to many small files for Maildir. Maildir is far superior in many ways to mbox. > > email me off list, and i'll hook you up with an account on my squirrelmail > install if you want to compare things. Or he could create a new account on his own box, and not use the built-in filtering as a comparison too. It's best to test making only one small change at a time. You two could have vastly different setups and he'll get a more accurate sense of where the speed problems lie by systematically changing his own setup. HTH > > Munir Nassar > RedConcepts.NET > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ System Administrator | http://www.sistina.com/ Sistina Software Inc. | | "If you love something set it free, if it doesn't come back to you hunt it down and set it on fire" -- George Carlin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021011/90fa95aa/attachment.pgp From tanner at real-time.com Fri Oct 11 13:12:32 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My dad? In-Reply-To: <1034351236.6856.11.camel@titanium.sistina.com>; from blutgens@sistina.com on Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 10:47:15AM -0500 References: <1034351236.6856.11.camel@titanium.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20021011130506.C13610@real-time.com> Quoting Ben Lutgens (blutgens@sistina.com): > On Wed, 2002-10-09 at 11:04, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > > I would be interested in knowing about it > > (and perhaps joining after I exit the Samba > > list again). If none exists, would Mr. > > Tanner create one? :-) > > Mr. Tanner? I can just picture the look on Bob's face at that. What does my dad have to do with Linux? :-P -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From myok at ogzr.org Fri Oct 11 13:25:11 2002 From: myok at ogzr.org (Carl Patten) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Red Hat 8.0 In-Reply-To: <1034351159.6855.9.camel@titanium.sistina.com> References: <20021011145352.44374.qmail@web20420.mail.yahoo.com> <1034351159.6855.9.camel@titanium.sistina.com> Message-ID: <1034359855.4020.9.camel@herbie.doomnode.net> On Fri, 2002-10-11 at 10:45, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Fri, 2002-10-11 at 09:53, Dan Steeves wrote: > > Can you tell me what you think of 8.0 so far? I am new to Linux, just > > installed 7.3 as my first Linux a couple weeks ago. I'm still learning and > > playing at this point. I have read that the 8.0 desktop upset some people for > > not being "open" enough. What are the pros and cons of upgrading right away to > > 8 for a newbie? > Pro: It's the most newbie-friendly Red Hat release ever. Con: Red Hat 7.3 is stable and popular, so if you have questions and are running that release, there'll be more people who can answer them than with the new 8.0 version. That'll only be true for a limited time, though :) > Compiling seems to work fine for me as well and there was > absolutely no tinkering with my hardware at all (except hardware > accelerated X on my nvidia cards which was trivial). The latest nvidia drivers worked for me also, with the standard source RPM rebuild-reinstall. Amazingly, VMware 3.2 worked! It complained a bit about gcc version 3 but compiled and installed its modules,and is running fine. -- Carl Patten From phil at rephil.org Fri Oct 11 13:25:41 2002 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Red Hat 8.0 In-Reply-To: <200210111809.g9BI9mK13175@sprite.real-time.com> References: <200210111809.g9BI9mK13175@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20021011182209.1D26C73D2D@maynard.rephil.org> > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 07:53:52 -0700 (PDT) > From: Dan Steeves > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Red Hat 8.0 > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Can you tell me what you think of 8.0 so far? I think that that in the version exchange rate, the RedHat has fallen to 0.375 against the Debian. philm -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." -- Anonymous From scot at thinkunix.net Fri Oct 11 14:35:48 2002 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest - available ISOs Message-ID: <20021011143104.E6109@okane.localnet> This is what I currently have on a local ftp server for the installfest: |-- caldera | `-- OpenLinux-3.1.1-workstation |-- debian | `-- 2.2_r7 |-- gentoo | `-- 1.4rc_1-x86 |-- mandrake | `-- 9.0 |-- redhat | |-- 7.3 | `-- 8.0 |-- slackware | |-- 7.1 | `-- 8.1 these will be available for install via: NFS FTP HTTP SAMBA still trying to get suse 8.1; these are all for Intel x86. If anyone has a need for some other architecture (SPARC, PPC, etc.) email me off list and I'll try to get that mirrored (no promises, limited time/bandwidth--both network and human--before tomorrow). I'll also have my 'media kit' which includes some older Linux distros, Solaris 7 & 8 for x86 (someone asked me about this in the past), Oracle for Linux 8.0.5 thru 8.1.7, FreeBSD, Darwin x86... if anyone is interested. I have a cd burner available but you need to supply the media. Also, please bring hubs/switches if you have them. There is only one drop in each work area so you're going to need them. Powerstrips might not be a bad idea too. I have a bunch setup already but we can always use more. see you tomorrow. -- -scot From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Fri Oct 11 15:21:39 2002 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Almost a computer for sale In-Reply-To: <20021011143104.E6109@okane.localnet> Message-ID: I have a nearly complete machine for sale, all that is required is a motherboard. New mid tower case 20 gig hd 256 pc133 ram vodoo 3 agp 16 meg card 48x cdrom 16 bit sound card (soundblaster) floppy Network card (3com) you can have a 500 mhz celeron if wish too all cables too asking $250 but make me an offer Colin Kilbane From dante at plethora.net Fri Oct 11 16:30:11 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG's political influence In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Google for mnipsummit. I don't have the eddress here... On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > As Ben mentioned, this list may not be the > place for Technopolitical chatter, but is there > a email list that is (local to Minnesota)? > > I would be interested in knowing about it > (and perhaps joining after I exit the Samba > list again). If none exists, would Mr. > Tanner create one? :-) > > I would really like to know the standing of > our political candidates on technological > issues, but I think it might be a distraction > here. > > >>> wilson@visi.com 10/09/02 09:49AM >>> > On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 08:18:58AM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > > On Wed, 2002-10-09 at 07:31, Ben Bargabus wrote: > > > > Clay or Bob, how many subscribers to TCLUG are there these days? > > > Whatever number you come up with subtract one, > > > I do not want to be a > > > part of any group political statement. > > I don't think the point is to make a political statement, but to get > one > > from the candidates. I think with the x,xxx members we have, trying > to > > get anything close to a "group political statement" would be near > > impossible, at least in this setting. > In other words, a large group is more > likely to get their questions answered than a single person. One > person > can be safely ignored, but 2,000 is a different story. > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net Forget diamonds, Copyright is forever. From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Oct 12 07:55:04 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Web Mail In-Reply-To: <1034351553.6855.18.camel@titanium.sistina.com> References: <1034351553.6855.18.camel@titanium.sistina.com> Message-ID: <20021012124456.GC13990@techmonkeys.org> On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 10:52:33AM -0500, Ben Lutgens wrote: > I've not used the built-in filtering, that could be a real source of > slowness as it doesn't filter until you open a mailbox. You could use > procmail on the server itself to do the filtering and you'll most likely > notice a definite speed increase. Ouch, filter upon opening? I'd recommend procmail+spamassassin. > Which makes sens as mbox is one large flat file as opposed to many small > files for Maildir. Maildir is far superior in many ways to mbox. Only if you enjoy eating disk space and long fsck's > -- > Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021012/127353f6/attachment.pgp From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Oct 12 07:56:30 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Apt for Red Hat In-Reply-To: <20021011084534.G2277@real-time.com> References: <1034266735.3da5a86f15fa9@www.silwenae.com> <1034273166.6669.18.camel@titanium.sistina.com> <20021010204537.GS15765@techmonkeys.org> <20021010174736.F2277@real-time.com> <20021011013325.GU15765@techmonkeys.org> <20021011084534.G2277@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20021012124639.GD13990@techmonkeys.org> On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 08:45:34AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > What class does it say when you log in? > > I've added a few things to the motd so that it's easier to see why you got a > full message. motd? who reads those nasty things =P Your class: com Class members online: 1/5 Free space available: 1153235336 bytes I'll find you on IRC to correct it. > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. > Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Oct 12 08:16:30 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest - available ISOs In-Reply-To: <20021011143104.E6109@okane.localnet> References: <20021011143104.E6109@okane.localnet> Message-ID: <20021012125702.GE13990@techmonkeys.org> On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 02:31:04PM -0500, Scot Jenkins wrote: > This is what I currently have on a local ftp server for the installfest: > > |-- caldera > | `-- OpenLinux-3.1.1-workstation > |-- debian > | `-- 2.2_r7 > |-- gentoo > | `-- 1.4rc_1-x86 > |-- mandrake > | `-- 9.0 > |-- redhat > | |-- 7.3 > | `-- 8.0 > |-- slackware > | |-- 7.1 > | `-- 8.1 > > still trying to get suse 8.1; these are all for Intel x86. If anyone > has a need for some other architecture (SPARC, PPC, etc.) email me off > list and I'll try to get that mirrored (no promises, limited > time/bandwidth--both network and human--before tomorrow). I've got suse 8.0 I believe, the 7(?) CD set along with the single DVD for installation, I'll bring it all along and you can create ISO's if you wish, or I'll do it and make them available. > > -scot -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From blutgens at sistina.com Sat Oct 12 09:16:22 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Web Mail In-Reply-To: <20021012124456.GC13990@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <6E5C4FEA-DDEC-11D6-84F3-000393B93C2A@sistina.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday, Oct 12, 2002, at 07:44 US/Central, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 10:52:33AM -0500, Ben Lutgens wrote: > >> I've not used the built-in filtering, that could be a real source of >> slowness as it doesn't filter until you open a mailbox. You could use >> procmail on the server itself to do the filtering and you'll most >> likely >> notice a definite speed increase. > > Ouch, filter upon opening? I'd recommend procmail+spamassassin. Yeah thanks for chiming in. > >> Which makes sens as mbox is one large flat file as opposed to many >> small >> files for Maildir. Maildir is far superior in many ways to mbox. > > Only if you enjoy eating disk space and long fsck's You're stupid, shut up. How dare you disagree with me! lol >> -- >> Ben Lutgens | http://people.sistina.com/~blutgens/ > > -- > Matthew S. 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From wnpauls at LINUX2.WINONA.MSUS.EDU Sat Oct 12 21:40:13 2002 From: wnpauls at LINUX2.WINONA.MSUS.EDU (Paul L. Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] re: Worm ... barnabas ... Message-ID: I assume others received this worn too, with the subject Barnabas. Paul L. Schumacher Winona State University Computer Science Department From wilson at visi.com Sat Oct 12 22:45:07 2002 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] a couple kernel questions In-Reply-To: <200210130159.g9D1x1i18261@amazon.software.umn.edu> References: <200210130159.g9D1x1i18261@amazon.software.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20021013032953.GA10638@isis.visi.com> On Sat, Oct 12, 2002 at 08:59:01PM -0500, john4293 wrote: > > i've got a couple of kernel questions for you. > the first one is really more of a clarification, i grabbed source patch > from kernel.org for my sandisk and the file name is > usb-sddr-55-2.4.20-pre2.patch, it worked fine but i'm just curious, does > the 2.4.20-pre2 suffix indicate that this source will be a part of 2.4.20 > when it's released? Not necessarily. The only code that gets into the kernel is officially blessed by Linus. There are quite a few patches out there that many people use regularly that aren't yet part of the official kernel (some may never be accepted for various reasons). The 2.4.20-pre2 suffix indicated that the patch was generated against the 2.4.20-pre2 kernel. Many, if not most, patches need to be repackaged for each major kernel release. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From jima at beer.tclug.org Sun Oct 13 10:51:42 2002 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] re: Worm ... barnabas ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 12 Oct 2002, Paul L. Schumacher wrote: > I assume others received this worn too, with the subject Barnabas. No, but I got the one with no subject. :P For those who might think to call hellfire upon Eric Stanley (whose address was in the "from" field), I highly doubt it had anything to do with him. As I recall, this particular worm (whose name I forget offhand, and don't care enough about to look up) uses pilfered addresses for both the "to" and "from." Additionally, I doubt he'd be coming online from AOL (well, unless you count Roadrunner as AOL), and last I checked, he was using Mutt (does that support all of the latest worms yet?). I just thought I'd preempt any mud-flinging; I've had various addresses harvested by worms, as has Bob. Just another reason to use Linux, huh? ;) Jima From dante at plethora.net Sun Oct 13 11:07:25 2002 From: dante at plethora.net (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] re: Worm ... barnabas ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The one that went to the list? It appeared to me to be a Klez.H or similar variant. Due to the nasty tendency of Klez variants to forge From: headers I'd advise all members of the list who _EVER_ use Outlook to check their systems. Sanitize is a good friend to sysadmins with Windows boxes on network. Use it if you can. On Sat, 12 Oct 2002, Paul L. Schumacher wrote: > I assume others received this worn too, with the subject Barnabas. > > Paul L. Schumacher > Winona State University > Computer Science Department > -- Daniel Taylor dante@plethora.net Forget diamonds, Copyright is forever. From kbullock at ringworld.org Mon Oct 14 10:33:22 2002 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (kbullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Here for more details Message-ID: <200210141514.g9EFEdj191187@logs-tf.proxy.aol.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021014/1cc9ae8b/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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However, comparing the output of `lspci -tv' (list PCI devices, tree view, verbose) on different architectures makes me wonder if PC systems have wandered down yet another poor design path. As you can see from the output below, the different PCI buses on the Sparc and Apple systems seem to have their own dedicated channels to the chipset, while the AGP slot on my desktop appears to be attached through the main PCI bus (don't get confused by the [02] bus -- that one really is a card attached to the PCI bus that has it's own internal PCI-PCI bridge for some reason). I suppose maybe the AGP slot really does have dedicated pathways to the chipset, but things were just made to appear this way for some reason. Anyway, just another curiosity of the PC architecture, I suppose, but does anyone have a reason why things might be laid out like this? My Desktop (AMD Athlon): -[00]-+-00.0 Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] AMD-760 [IGD4-1P] System Controller +-01.0-[01]----05.0 Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA G400 AGP +-07.0 VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 [Apollo Super South] +-07.1 VIA Technologies, Inc. Bus Master IDE +-07.2 VIA Technologies, Inc. USB +-07.3 VIA Technologies, Inc. USB +-07.4 VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 [Apollo Super ACPI] +-07.5 VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 AC97 Audio Controller +-08.0 QLogic Corp. QLA2100 64-bit Fibre Channel Adapter +-09.0 Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 +-09.1 Creative Labs SB Live! MIDI/Game Port +-0a.0 Adaptec AIC-7860 +-0b.0 3Com Corporation 3c905 100BaseTX [Boomerang] \-0c.0-[02]--+-00.0 NEC Corporation USB +-00.1 NEC Corporation USB +-00.2 NEC Corporation USB 2.0 \-01.0 VIA Technologies, Inc. IEEE 1394 Host Controller Sun Ultra 30 (UltraSPARC) from work (no AGP, just two PCI buses): -+-[01]-+-00.0 Sun Microsystems Computer Corp. Psycho PCI Bus Module | +-01.0 LSI Logic / Symbios Logic (formerly NCR) 53c875 | \-01.1 LSI Logic / Symbios Logic (formerly NCR) 53c875 \-[00]-+-00.0 Sun Microsystems Computer Corp. Psycho PCI Bus Module +-01.0 Sun Microsystems Computer Corp. EBUS +-01.1 Sun Microsystems Computer Corp. Happy Meal \-03.0 LSI Logic / Symbios Logic (formerly NCR) 53c875 My brother's Apple Powerbook (PowerPC): -+-[24]-+-0b.0 Apple Computer Inc. UniNorth Internal PCI | +-0e.0 Apple Computer Inc. UniNorth FireWire (rev ff) | \-0f.0 Apple Computer Inc. UniNorth GMAC (Sun GEM) (rev 01) +-[10]-+-0b.0 Apple Computer Inc. UniNorth PCI | +-17.0 Apple Computer Inc. KeyLargo Mac I/O (rev 03) | +-18.0 Apple Computer Inc. KeyLargo USB | +-19.0 Apple Computer Inc. KeyLargo USB | \-1a.0 Texas Instruments PCI1211 \-[00]-+-0b.0 Apple Computer Inc. UniNorth AGP \-10.0 ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility M3 AGP 2x (rev 02) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Southern DOS: Y'all reckon? / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ (Yep/Nope) \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021015/42d0e11f/attachment.pgp From eh at constantdata.com Tue Oct 15 21:04:04 2002 From: eh at constantdata.com (A. A. El Haddi) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] emss St Paul. Message-ID: please cat flames > /dev/null Any one knows about an ISP in Saint Paul by the name EMSS? I looked everywhere no info about them. They sent me a nasty gram without an address or phone number. It looked like an id theft scam. Any info is appreciated. Thank you. -el From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Oct 16 14:43:02 2002 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: how to deal with MS obsessed employers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well since Sprint is screwing with me today, I need something to do until they kill the T1 again. This thread looks interesting. :) | 1) We will be logging into their flaky, virus-ridden domain Now that...sucks. If they can't get enough control over their domain enviorment to pervent virus spreading...somethings definitly wrong. More later though. | 2) We will be switching our AntiVirus package from Symantec (which has | been working well for us) to McAfee (which doesn't seem to be working well | for them) In my expierence, Symantec is a great product. Too bad you're switching. McAfee comes close, but it's just not quite on Symantec's level. And a Second vote for Sophos from me. | 3) We will be forced to use Outlook for e-mail...no longer are we allowed | to use Eudora, Netscape, Mozilla, etc. In my experience, most don't care about this policy until YOU have a problem. So if you're calling to the help desk about an e-mail problem, they're going to walk you through Outlook. So have it setup and ready, and use whatever you use the rest of the time. As long as they're not forcing you to Exchange, they won't really know the difference until you call them. | Is there anything that can be done to make this transition easier? Get yourself somesort of firewall and filter between the two networks. Your main goal should be to protect yourselves from yourselves. (The first being you're branch office, the latter being the new main office that's decided to eat you) | (preferably without doing something that will get me fired, like | telling them that they're morons) Wording is everything. Be creative. Tell them they're morons without calling them morons. And ummm....good luck. Ben suggested a BDC. If you're they're running Windows 2000, the better soultion might be a subdomain...or whatever it's called. Basically you remain in control of your PDC, but your PDC is part of the head office's domian. In the event of network failure, you should still be able to get work done, and you should be able to log in to any machine that's part of the domain tree. And you're head office and log into your domain controller and "fix" things, so they're happy. If it's WinNT domains, setting up domain turst might be better than being assimilated into their domain. And now we're really far off topic, I think that's enough windows shit for a TCLUG post. --- If you're being forced off your mail servers and on the theirs, damn. That sucks. :) If not, the more you protect your e-mail the better off you'll be. These days, e-mail is thhe #1 source of viruses, trojans, etc. So if you can get any sort of server side soultion on your e-mail server, it's good. procmail filters, virus scanners, RBS, etc...even if it's not UNIX mail servers there is plenty that can be done. But make this a priority. Second in the list of threats is already infected computers. You will experience an influx of computers that are already compromised. This is what you need a firewall/filter for between the two networks. Next comes Internet, but you should have that covered already, and doesn't sould like that is going to change. Still, there are products and open source stuff out there that can help. As for anything else, well, you know where to find me. Don't get fired. 1 roomate seeking employment is enough. :) Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world." From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Thu Oct 17 13:35:07 2002 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] free computers In-Reply-To: <200210141514.g9EFEdj191187@logs-tf.proxy.aol.com> Message-ID: Hey folks I have 4 pentium 100 machines stacked up in the corner if any one needs one. There is 1 ibm and 3 compaq deskpro systems. They are free and first come first serve. Colin From tanner at real-time.com Fri Oct 18 08:36:50 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: noise/test Message-ID: <20021018080209.U26847@real-time.com> Testing. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From list at slushpupie.com Fri Oct 18 08:58:30 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: noise/test In-Reply-To: <20021018080209.U26847@real-time.com> References: <20021018080209.U26847@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1034949144.4540.16.camel@jay-linux.internal.teamfreeze.com> On Fri, 2002-10-18 at 08:02, Bob Tanner wrote: > Testing. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! How ironic! ---------->^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com Fri Oct 18 21:38:01 2002 From: MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com (Mark Courtney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DNS Server Behind A Firewall Message-ID: <63142.209.98.213.140.1034994005.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> I have been trying to set up a DNS server behind a firewall and I have had less than desirable results. I can successfully operate a Web server behind the firewall, by opening TCP port 80, but the DNS server does not work even when opening port 53 UPD and TCP. I have restarted named and reloaded the configuration after placing the DNS server behind the firewall. My domains do not resolve from other networks (ISP's) when I put the DNS server behind the firewall. I also use this DNS server as the primary for my local network. Is there a change that needs to be made to the named config files? Another port that needs to be opened? Thanks In Advance From sfertch at real-time.com Fri Oct 18 23:03:04 2002 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DNS Server Behind A Firewall In-Reply-To: <63142.209.98.213.140.1034994005.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> References: <63142.209.98.213.140.1034994005.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> Message-ID: <20021018225812.118d8689.sfertch@real-time.com> The only things that I can think of is that you may need to set it up so that the external registrars point to your firewall, then setup port forwarding rules on your firewall to go to your DNS server. However, being that you use the one behind your firewall also for your internal I'd recommend against it. If you have a block of IP's, set up an external DNS server for your domain. Or, use a DNS site mentioned a little bit ago in the archives. Then, have one run internally. Hope it helps. Shawn On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 21:20:05 -0500 (CDT) "Mark Courtney" wrote: > > I have been trying to set up a DNS server behind a firewall and I have > had less than desirable results. > > I can successfully operate a Web server behind the firewall, by > opening TCP port 80, but the DNS server does not work even when > opening port 53 UPD and TCP. I have restarted named and reloaded the > configuration after placing the DNS server behind the firewall. > My domains do not resolve from other networks (ISP's) when I put the > DNS server behind the firewall. > I also use this DNS server as the primary for my local network. > > Is there a change that needs to be made to the named config files? > Another port that needs to be opened? > > > Thanks In Advance > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From loren at lorenburlingame.com Sat Oct 19 00:19:48 2002 From: loren at lorenburlingame.com (Loren Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DNS Server Behind A Firewall In-Reply-To: <63142.209.98.213.140.1034994005.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> References: <63142.209.98.213.140.1034994005.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> Message-ID: <35019.12.218.5.147.1035004007.squirrel@grok.lorenburlingame.com> I have tested it out here since I have a similar set-up and it appears that all you need is port 53 UDP open. Also make sure that you have your external adapter specified in the named.conf file. This is what screwed me up since, like you, I am using this host for internal DNS and was specifically directing the server to listen only on the internal adapter. options { listen-on { 12.218.5.147; 127.0.0.1; 192.168.0.1; }; } hope that helps > > I have been trying to set up a DNS server behind a firewall and I have > had less than desirable results. > > I can successfully operate a Web server behind the firewall, by opening > TCP port 80, but the DNS server does not work even when opening port 53 > UPD and TCP. I have restarted named and reloaded the configuration > after placing the DNS server behind the firewall. > My domains do not resolve from other networks (ISP's) when I put the DNS > server behind the firewall. > I also use this DNS server as the primary for my local network. > > Is there a change that needs to be made to the named config files? > Another port that needs to be opened? > > > Thanks In Advance > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Irony can by pretty ironic sometimes. -William Shatner, Airplane II From rclark at lakesplus.com Sat Oct 19 10:59:02 2002 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Missing posts ... ? Message-ID: <003801c27788$19aad980$0201a8c0@office> Hey ... were there a lot of posts that did not make into onto the list-serv yesterday (Friday)? I sent two and never did see them. Just don't want to clutter the list if they are waiting in the wings still. Randy Clarksean, Ph.D., P.E. Leading Technology Designs, Inc. 106 North Boardman Ave. P.O. Box N New York Mills, MN 56567 "Excellence can be attained if you Care more than others think is wise, Risk more than others think is safe, Dream more than others think is practical, and Expect more than others think is possible." - Author Unknown ph: 218-385-3750 fax:218-385-3751 email: rclark@lakesplus.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021019/d4cb733d/attachment.html From erik at ehanson.net Sat Oct 19 12:27:01 2002 From: erik at ehanson.net (erik@ehanson.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Missing posts ... ? In-Reply-To: <003801c27788$19aad980$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: I also sent one 2 days ago that I never saw come through... -Erik On Sat, 19 Oct 2002 10:56:34 -0500 "Randy Clarksean" wrote: > Hey ... were there a lot of posts that did not make into > onto the list-serv yesterday (Friday)? I sent two and > never did see them. > > Just don't want to clutter the list if they are waiting > in the wings still. > > Randy Clarksean, Ph.D., P.E. > Leading Technology Designs, Inc. > 106 North Boardman Ave. > P.O. Box N > New York Mills, MN 56567 > > "Excellence can be attained if you Care more than others > think is wise, Risk more than others think is safe, Dream > more than others think is practical, and Expect more than > others think is possible." - Author Unknown > > ph: 218-385-3750 > fax:218-385-3751 > email: rclark@lakesplus.com > From ming at evil-overlords.com Sat Oct 19 13:04:45 2002 From: ming at evil-overlords.com (ming@evil-overlords.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DNS Server Behind A Firewall Message-ID: <20021019174225.55159.qmail@wm1.netfirms.com> On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 21:20:05 -0500 (CDT), "Mark Courtney" wrote : > > I have been trying to set up a DNS server behind a firewall and I have had > less than desirable results. > I can't remember the exact global directive but its something like source-query 53. It basically makes the DNS server reply to queries on port 53 not some other unpriv port that might be getting blocked by the firewall. Also a good resource for DNS questions is www.acmebw.com/askmrdns, there is a good FAQ/knowledge base there. Jason From rclark at lakesplus.com Sun Oct 20 07:36:06 2002 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel Recompile - Network Probs - RECAP Message-ID: <005601c27798$3d120280$0201a8c0@office> (repost since it did not make it Friday) Thought I would pass on the results of my kernel recompile efforts and the problems I was having with the network after the kernel was recompiled. (posted a week or two ago) Recall that I was doing some work with making a new kernel for RH7.2 and an AMD XP 2100+ chip. I did the recompile myself, started up the new kernel and found that I no longer had a network connection. Everything had started fine, eth0 came up, etc. ... but I could not ping to the outside world. I even tried downloading the ATHLON kernel from RH with the appropriate updated modules, etc. and just installed that directly. Still ... NO networking ability. (networking is turned on in that kernel) I finally just physically removed the card, rebooted the system and deleted the drivers on bootup, then shutdown and rebooted again, this time with the card reinstalled, reinstalled the driver, same IP settings, etc. and ... the networking finally worked. No changes to the kernel, just a deletion and reinstall of the NIC to make it work. Does this seem a bit odd, or is it possible that I did something to cause this sort of problem? Comments appreciated! Randy Clarksean, Ph.D., P.E. Leading Technology Designs, Inc. 106 North Boardman Ave. P.O. Box N New York Mills, MN 56567 "Excellence can be attained if you Care more than others think is wise, Risk more than others think is safe, Dream more than others think is practical, and Expect more than others think is possible." - Author Unknown ph: 218-385-3750 fax:218-385-3751 email: rclark@lakesplus.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021020/2526f9f1/attachment.htm From rclark at lakesplus.com Sun Oct 20 09:32:46 2002 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH7.2, Firewall, and NetMeeting Message-ID: <006001c27798$6ea29bc0$0201a8c0@office> (repost from Friday) I have had some very odd problems with using NetMeeting through my firewall. NetMeeting is on a Win2K system on an internal network. The server/firewall is on a RH7.2 system. I presently am using IPCHAINS for the firewall, but with the plans to convert to IPTABLES here shortly. As far as I can tell, there is presently no support for H.323 (netmeeting and other packages) for IPTABLES, but I could be wrong about that. Temporarily, I turned off the firewall and had the masquerading turned on. I also told the firewall software to let anything through that came from the IP address I was making the call to. So, I had hoped that it would work that way until I could work through the iptables issues. But ... it only partially worked. The people on the other end could see and hear me fine. I could not hear nor see them, but the chat window would come open, whiteboard was available, and they could share their desktop and I could see it. I find it very odd that part of the signals would make it through, while the rest were either blocked or did not make it in. I checked the message log for the system and I did not see any dropped packets from that IP address. It is my understanding that H.323 works on the premise of randomly selecting a port number to spawn a connection for a particular feature (I could be completely wrong on this .. but this is what I believe I read some place on the web). Any thoughts or comments? I need to get this video conferencing thing worked out fairly soon. I am having them check on their end to make sure they are sending video properly. I should know about that shortly as well. Randy Clarksean, Ph.D., P.E. Leading Technology Designs, Inc. 106 North Boardman Ave. P.O. Box N New York Mills, MN 56567 "Excellence can be attained if you Care more than others think is wise, Risk more than others think is safe, Dream more than others think is practical, and Expect more than others think is possible." - Author Unknown ph: 218-385-3750 fax:218-385-3751 email: rclark@lakesplus.com From MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com Sun Oct 20 09:33:34 2002 From: MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com (Mark Courtney) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Missing posts ... ? In-Reply-To: References: <003801c27788$19aad980$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: <64215.209.98.213.140.1035049712.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> I also sent a post that never got sent to the list. I'm just guessing, but I bet it got shut down for a spell because of all the virii that have been getting sent to the list. Has anyone ever got a virus with `wine`? > I also sent one 2 days ago that I never saw come through... > -Erik > > On Sat, 19 Oct 2002 10:56:34 -0500 > "Randy Clarksean" wrote: >> Hey ... were there a lot of posts that did not make into >> onto the list-serv yesterday (Friday)? I sent two and >> never did see them. >> >> Just don't want to clutter the list if they are waiting >> in the wings still. >> >> Randy Clarksean, Ph.D., P.E. >> Leading Technology Designs, Inc. >> 106 North Boardman Ave. >> P.O. Box N >> New York Mills, MN 56567 >> >> "Excellence can be attained if you Care more than others >> think is wise, Risk more than others think is safe, Dream >> more than others think is practical, and Expect more than >> others think is possible." - Author Unknown >> >> ph: 218-385-3750 >> fax:218-385-3751 >> email: rclark@lakesplus.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Sun Oct 20 10:06:31 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Missing posts ... ? In-Reply-To: <64215.209.98.213.140.1035049712.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 19 Oct 2002, Mark Courtney wrote: > I also sent a post that never got sent to the list. I'm just guessing, > but I bet it got shut down for a spell because of all the virii that have > been getting sent to the list. Mailman is lagging behind. See the graph http://archives2.real-time.com/tclug-list/hest.png Bob and our wonderful Real-Time hosts are desperately working on it, but you, too can help by limiting the "why is the list slow?" posts. -Brian From jimstreit at northlans.com Sun Oct 20 10:26:03 2002 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (Jim Streit) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel Recompile - Network Probs - RECAP In-Reply-To: <005601c27798$3d120280$0201a8c0@office> References: <005601c27798$3d120280$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: <4923.65.116.187.194.1035124754.squirrel@www.northlans.com> Have you seen any performance increases with the ATHLON kernel? (Which I believe is why you tried this in the first place if i'm correct) Jim > (repost since it did not make it Friday) > > Thought I would pass on the results of my kernel recompile efforts and > the problems I was having with the network after the kernel was > recompiled. (posted a week or two ago) > > Recall that I was doing some work with making a new kernel for RH7.2 > and an AMD XP 2100+ chip. I did the recompile myself, started up the > new kernel and found that I no longer had a network connection. > Everything had started fine, eth0 came up, etc. ... but I could not > ping to the outside world. > > I even tried downloading the ATHLON kernel from RH with the > appropriate updated modules, etc. and just installed that directly. > Still ... NO networking ability. (networking is turned on in that > kernel) > > I finally just physically removed the card, rebooted the system and > deleted the drivers on bootup, then shutdown and rebooted again, this > time with the card reinstalled, reinstalled the driver, same IP > settings, etc. and ... the networking finally worked. No changes to > the kernel, just a deletion and reinstall of the NIC to make it work. > > Does this seem a bit odd, or is it possible that I did something to > cause this sort of problem? Comments appreciated! > > Randy Clarksean, Ph.D., P.E. > Leading Technology Designs, Inc. > 106 North Boardman Ave. > P.O. Box N > New York Mills, MN 56567 > > "Excellence can be attained if you Care more than others think is > wise, Risk more than others think is safe, Dream more than others > think is practical, and Expect more than others think is possible." - > Author Unknown > > ph: 218-385-3750 > fax:218-385-3751 > email: rclark@lakesplus.com From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com Sun Oct 20 20:28:30 2002 From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:19 2005 Subject: Was: Re: [TCLUG] Missing posts ... ? Now: Wine Viri In-Reply-To: <64215.209.98.213.140.1035049712.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> References: <003801c27788$19aad980$0201a8c0@office> <64215.209.98.213.140.1035049712.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> Message-ID: <1035158861.27519.3.camel@edith> On Sat, 2002-10-19 at 12:48, Mark Courtney wrote: > I also sent a post that never got sent to the list. I'm just guessing, > but I bet it got shut down for a spell because of all the virii that have > been getting sent to the list. > > > Has anyone ever got a virus with `wine`? I tried to get one to work as a non-privileged user on a junk box, but I could not get it to work as I did not have Exploder or Outlook installed. Kelly Black KB0GBJ From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Mon Oct 21 14:44:37 2002 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need to trade for memory... In-Reply-To: <1035158861.27519.3.camel@edith> Message-ID: Hey do any of you folks have some old 66 mhz 64 meg dimms, I'm willing to trade some other parts, network cards etc... for them. I'm just trying to set up a fax server for my frat. Thanks Colin Kilbane From jimstreit at northlans.com Mon Oct 21 15:23:21 2002 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (Jim Streit) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need to trade for memory... In-Reply-To: References: <1035158861.27519.3.camel@edith> Message-ID: <2444.65.116.187.194.1035230895.squirrel@www.northlans.com> I have a bunch of 16 meg, and a couple 32 meg 66 mhz dimms. > Hey do any of you folks have some old 66 mhz 64 meg dimms, I'm willing > to trade some other parts, network cards etc... for them. I'm just > trying to set up a fax server for my frat. > > > Thanks > Colin Kilbane > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jclark at citilink.com Mon Oct 21 19:33:48 2002 From: jclark at citilink.com (Jeff Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:45:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need to trade for memory... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20021022002422.83E15C2C8@tux.jeffclark.net> On Monday 21 October 2002 02:27 pm, you wrote: > Hey do any of you folks have some old 66 mhz 64 meg dimms, I'm willing to > trade some other parts, network cards etc... for them. I'm just trying to > set up a fax server for my frat. I've got one 32MB and one 64MB that I'd be willing to trade. They're both PC100 DIMMs. -- Jeff Clark mailto:jeff@jeffclark.net "Too soon old, too late smart." http://www.citilink.com/~jclark ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Microsoft's success proves "You can fool some of the people, all of the time." From nightcanton at attbi.com Wed Oct 23 19:08:10 2002 From: nightcanton at attbi.com (Luke Steiner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hey... Message-ID: <000001c27aee$b47189a0$6701a8c0@luke> I'm using RedHat 8 I recompiled my kernel with NTFS read support...that is it. Now my mouse doesn't work in X. I tried configuring the mouse using xf86config but it didn't work. Also I tried unplugging it and having RedHat configure it by itself. When I start my computer RedHat recognizes the mouse, that is plugged into my keyboard through USB. What am I missing? Take care, Luke -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021023/4a28b2ed/attachment.html From austad at signal15.com Wed Oct 23 21:31:48 2002 From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ip telephony Message-ID: I just bought a Siemens 4215 expandable cordless phone system. I'm fairly happy with it, except that it doesn't seem to support multiple voicemail boxes like the description on Amazon.com's site says it does. So I was thinking, there are several companies that make cordless VoIP phones, and the geek factor is high. Has anyone used any of the free call manager software packages with 802.11 VoIP phones? I have a wireless access point already, so all I would really need is to get a POTS gateway and set up some software. Something to handle multiple voicemail boxes would be nice, and the ability to transfer a person I'm talking to straight to voicemail would be a definite plus. Does anyone have any experience with this? Jay From loren at lorenburlingame.com Wed Oct 23 22:25:03 2002 From: loren at lorenburlingame.com (Loren Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hey... In-Reply-To: <000001c27aee$b47189a0$6701a8c0@luke> References: <000001c27aee$b47189a0$6701a8c0@luke> Message-ID: <35816.12.218.5.147.1035427298.squirrel@grok.lorenburlingame.com> could it be that this is the first time you have compiled your kernel since you initially installed redhat? I am thinking that the kernel you were using was the precompiled kernel that came with the RH install and when you recompiled you left out something important like maybe usbdevfs support or maybe got the wrong USB chipset driver compiled (or maybe even left out USB support alltogether). Anyway, regardless of whether you were using the default kernel or not, if you did not touch anything else then the problem must be in the kernel you installed.... I am assuming that everything works if you boot back into the old kernel? LB > > I'm using RedHat 8 > > > I recompiled my kernel with NTFS read support...that is it. Now my > mouse doesn't work in X. I tried configuring the mouse using xf86config > but it didn't work. Also I tried unplugging it and having RedHat > configure it by itself. > > > When I start my computer RedHat recognizes the mouse, that is plugged > into my keyboard through USB. > > > > What am I missing? > > > > Take care, > > > Luke > > > -- Irony can by pretty ironic sometimes. -William Shatner, Airplane II From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Wed Oct 23 22:51:09 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian D. Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CUPS text printing and margins Message-ID: <20021024031859.GF8605@8ball.wox.org> I'm using CUPS to do printing on my computer, but whenever I try printing text, the first letter and a half or so is cut off, I assume because CUPS is trying to make the printer work closer to the edge of the paper than it's designed to do. Is there any way to fix this? -- Brian Hicks 'At Zango Transportation Concepts, our motto is "Caveat Emptor" which means "We hope you like it!"' -- Lambda Expressway -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021023/ba233ed1/attachment.pgp From nota12b at iglide.net Thu Oct 24 00:09:39 2002 From: nota12b at iglide.net (Wil Pike) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] h e l p ! ? ! ? !?!?! Message-ID: Newbie here... I've been to 3 installfests so far with limited success at each and attempted a Beer-Meeting (ugly results - had the wrong night or something....). The last 2 Karl (Carl?) has assisted me (quite well, I might add) - no, I don't know his last name, but the red-headed one. Anyway... I've watched the 'switch' Apple commercials for too long as I sit thru yet ANOTHER 'download the Winders drivers' nightmare on a 'new' box I've put together... I'll not bore (or would that be entice?) you with the details at this point except to say it's pretty close to top-shelf components across the board... Exasperation (being the combination of 'expitives' and 'perspiration') finally set in when I was unable to get the thoughtfully-included software to operate either the CDRW OR the DVD drives. I've been working under the mantra of 'Micro$oft-free by the end of 03', trying to slowly slide into a comfort zone with Linux (started with Mandrake, more recently with RH) doing dual-boot setups... (I HAVE successfully setup an older 400Mhz machine as a RH-ONLY system, but that is the extent of my 'good' luck with Linux so far... *sigh*). So (for the few of you that may still be following this rambling...)... it now comes to this. My immediate past results have me ready to jump into the great by and by of Linux where I will either fall to my death on the rocks... or learn to fly. As it currently stands, however, I am seeking a guru who works for pizza-and-beer prices to do a little tinkering on this box to get it Linux-enabled dual-boot... I have no 'release-loyalty' that couldn't be swayed by much more than 'my favorite release is...' as I REALLY want to get this going!! (and, IMHO, it's a pretty cool stash of parts I've acquired to make this thing go, so there'd be the fun of playing with it once it was working...). I'll open the bidding at a 6-pack of your favorite barley-pop and (at least) a small size of your favorite pizza... any takers? IF it matters to the bidders, I live near 169/62 just outside Hopkins... *crossing fingers and sitting back to wait on the bidding now...* Wil "If you are in that trade of helping others to laugh and to survive by laughter, then you are privileged indeed." - Chuck Jones From follower at usfamily.net Thu Oct 24 09:38:20 2002 From: follower at usfamily.net (Fredrick Edward Fleming) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] h e l p ! ? ! ? !?!?! References: Message-ID: <3DB78931.F14B05D4@usfamily.net> Hey I am close to you at 101 in Minnetonka. if you get someone to come over, I can bring my machine over and both of us can pick the fellows brain. I had a stroke but am using LINUX. Is this like a Linux block party? *smile* Wil Pike wrote: > Newbie here... I've been to 3 installfests so far with limited success at > each and attempted a Beer-Meeting (ugly results - had the wrong night or > something....). The last 2 Karl (Carl?) has assisted me (quite well, I might > add) - no, I don't know his last name, but the red-headed one. > > Anyway... I've watched the 'switch' Apple commercials for too long as I sit > thru yet ANOTHER 'download the Winders drivers' nightmare on a 'new' box > I've put together... I'll not bore (or would that be entice?) you with the > details at this point except to say it's pretty close to top-shelf > components across the board... Exasperation (being the combination of > 'expitives' and 'perspiration') finally set in when I was unable to get the > thoughtfully-included software to operate either the CDRW OR the DVD drives. > I've been working under the mantra of 'Micro$oft-free by the end of 03', > trying to slowly slide into a comfort zone with Linux (started with > Mandrake, more recently with RH) doing dual-boot setups... (I HAVE > successfully setup an older 400Mhz machine as a RH-ONLY system, but that is > the extent of my 'good' luck with Linux so far... *sigh*). > > So (for the few of you that may still be following this rambling...)... it > now comes to this. My immediate past results have me ready to jump into the > great by and by of Linux where I will either fall to my death on the > rocks... or learn to fly. As it currently stands, however, I am seeking a > guru who works for pizza-and-beer prices to do a little tinkering on this > box to get it Linux-enabled dual-boot... I have no 'release-loyalty' that > couldn't be swayed by much more than 'my favorite release is...' as I REALLY > want to get this going!! (and, IMHO, it's a pretty cool stash of parts I've > acquired to make this thing go, so there'd be the fun of playing with it > once it was working...). > > I'll open the bidding at a 6-pack of your favorite barley-pop and (at least) > a small size of your favorite pizza... any takers? IF it matters to the > bidders, I live near 169/62 just outside Hopkins... *crossing fingers and > sitting back to wait on the bidding now...* > > Wil > > "If you are in that trade of helping others to laugh and to survive by > laughter, then you are privileged indeed." - Chuck Jones > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- WOW will you look at this, a NEWBIE using PINE!!!! ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021024/e722299e/attachment.htm From cdf123 at cdf123.com Thu Oct 24 09:40:06 2002 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] h e l p ! ? ! ? !?!?! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1035467601.10762.36.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Sup Wil, I know what your going through. The DVD and CDRW on my laptop were a pain to get working. Toss me an email and list out the specifics of what you would like working and I'll see what I can do. I've also dual booted Win2k at work, and WinME at home, with several distros. My home computer is a high end system as well. And if I can't help, hopefully I can at least make some recommendations for you. Chris On Tue, 2002-10-22 at 01:07, Wil Pike wrote: Newbie here... I've been to 3 installfests so far with limited success at each and attempted a Beer-Meeting (ugly results - had the wrong night or something....). The last 2 Karl (Carl?) has assisted me (quite well, I might add) - no, I don't know his last name, but the red-headed one. Anyway... I've watched the 'switch' Apple commercials for too long as I sit thru yet ANOTHER 'download the Winders drivers' nightmare on a 'new' box I've put together... I'll not bore (or would that be entice?) you with the details at this point except to say it's pretty close to top-shelf components across the board... Exasperation (being the combination of 'expitives' and 'perspiration') finally set in when I was unable to get the thoughtfully-included software to operate either the CDRW OR the DVD drives. I've been working under the mantra of 'Micro$oft-free by the end of 03', trying to slowly slide into a comfort zone with Linux (started with Mandrake, more recently with RH) doing dual-boot setups... (I HAVE successfully setup an older 400Mhz machine as a RH-ONLY system, but that is the extent of my 'good' luck with Linux so far... *sigh*). So (for the few of you that may still be following this rambling...)... it now comes to this. My immediate past results have me ready to jump into the great by and by of Linux where I will either fall to my death on the rocks... or learn to fly. As it currently stands, however, I am seeking a guru who works for pizza-and-beer prices to do a little tinkering on this box to get it Linux-enabled dual-boot... I have no 'release-loyalty' that couldn't be swayed by much more than 'my favorite release is...' as I REALLY want to get this going!! (and, IMHO, it's a pretty cool stash of parts I've acquired to make this thing go, so there'd be the fun of playing with it once it was working...). I'll open the bidding at a 6-pack of your favorite barley-pop and (at least) a small size of your favorite pizza... any takers? IF it matters to the bidders, I live near 169/62 just outside Hopkins... *crossing fingers and sitting back to wait on the bidding now...* Wil "If you are in that trade of helping others to laugh and to survive by laughter, then you are privileged indeed." - Chuck Jones _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021024/220d8648/attachment.html From barnabas at knicknack.net Thu Oct 24 09:42:22 2002 From: barnabas at knicknack.net (barnabas) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mwavem 20010714 released Message-ID: <200210241019601.SM01284@Azzc> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: not available Type: application/octet-stream Size: 6103 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021024/53e28bf5/attachment.obj From jonathon at quotidian.org Thu Oct 24 14:14:30 2002 From: jonathon at quotidian.org (Jonathon Jongsma) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] video problems with X Message-ID: <58bbb11c799a4bba993efd30bdab70d0.jonathon@quotidian.org> Hi all, I'm relatively new to linux -- i've been fooling around with mandrake 8.2 on an old pentium 166 machine for few months now. Anyway, i just got a decent deal on a new dell dimension 2300 computer, so I bought it and decided to install mandrake 9.0. Everything seemed to install fine except for the video stuff for x. I can boot up and do all the command-line stuff, but when I attempt to startx, it gives me an error saying "Screen(s) found but none have a valid configuration" and aborts. The video card is supposedly "Integrated Intel Extreme 3D Graphics". Anybody have any experience with this? Any suggestions? Thanks, Jonathon From loren at lorenburlingame.com Thu Oct 24 15:22:46 2002 From: loren at lorenburlingame.com (Loren Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] video problems with X In-Reply-To: <58bbb11c799a4bba993efd30bdab70d0.jonathon@quotidian.org> References: <58bbb11c799a4bba993efd30bdab70d0.jonathon@quotidian.org> Message-ID: <9234.12.47.38.130.1035489253.squirrel@grok.lorenburlingame.com> often times in these situations I run X --configure (I *think* that is the right syntax...could just be --config) and try starting X using the XF86Config file it creates in your home directory. if that does not work, you might to look at some other setup utilities (XF86Setup, xf86config, et cetera) or maybe look at the man page or Howto for the XF86Config file (this file is located in /etc/X11 on my Slackware system, not sure about Mandrake) LB > Hi all, > > I'm relatively new to linux -- i've been fooling around with mandrake > 8.2 on an old pentium 166 machine for few months now. Anyway, i just > got a decent deal on a new dell dimension 2300 computer, so I bought it > and decided to install mandrake 9.0. Everything seemed to install fine > except for the video stuff for x. I can boot up and do all the > command-line stuff, but when I attempt to startx, it gives me an error > saying "Screen(s) found but none have a valid configuration" and aborts. > The video card is supposedly "Integrated Intel Extreme 3D Graphics". > Anybody have any experience with this? Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > Jonathon > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Irony can by pretty ironic sometimes. -William Shatner, Airplane II From nightcanton at attbi.com Thu Oct 24 15:53:38 2002 From: nightcanton at attbi.com (Luke Steiner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hey... In-Reply-To: <35816.12.218.5.147.1035427298.squirrel@grok.lorenburlingame.com> Message-ID: <001001c27b12$fe201b60$6701a8c0@luke> Yes....evrything works in the old kernel... I didn't change anything except for the NTFS support. What else do you think? -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Loren Burlingame Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 9:42 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] hey... could it be that this is the first time you have compiled your kernel since you initially installed redhat? I am thinking that the kernel you were using was the precompiled kernel that came with the RH install and when you recompiled you left out something important like maybe usbdevfs support or maybe got the wrong USB chipset driver compiled (or maybe even left out USB support alltogether). Anyway, regardless of whether you were using the default kernel or not, if you did not touch anything else then the problem must be in the kernel you installed.... I am assuming that everything works if you boot back into the old kernel? LB > > I'm using RedHat 8 > > > I recompiled my kernel with NTFS read support...that is it. Now my > mouse doesn't work in X. I tried configuring the mouse using xf86config > but it didn't work. Also I tried unplugging it and having RedHat > configure it by itself. > > > When I start my computer RedHat recognizes the mouse, that is plugged > into my keyboard through USB. > > > > What am I missing? > > > > Take care, > > > Luke > > > -- Irony can by pretty ironic sometimes. -William Shatner, Airplane II _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Oct 24 17:56:06 2002 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] video problems with X In-Reply-To: <58bbb11c799a4bba993efd30bdab70d0.jonathon@quotidian.org> References: <58bbb11c799a4bba993efd30bdab70d0.jonathon@quotidian.org> Message-ID: <20021024154854.A1952@baker.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 01:02:03PM -0600, Jonathon Jongsma wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm relatively new to linux -- i've been fooling around with > mandrake 8.2 on an old pentium 166 machine for few months now. > Anyway, i just got a decent deal on a new dell dimension 2300 > computer, so I bought it and decided to install mandrake 9.0. > Everything seemed to install fine except for the video stuff > for x. I can boot up and do all the command-line stuff, but > when I attempt to startx, it gives me an error saying > "Screen(s) found but none have a valid configuration" and > aborts. The video card is supposedly "Integrated Intel Extreme > 3D Graphics". Anybody have any experience with this? Any > suggestions? First off, I am not sure what the "Mandrake-way" to do things is. I think that you need to find out what the video chipset is. Its quite possible that the video chipset is the Intel 845g chipset. I have the i845g in my Compaq workstation, and its not yet completely supported in X (or in the kernel for some of the other functions). You should be able to get it to work using VESA compatability mode. If you use a GUI to configure X, set the driver to "vesa". Or if you edit /etc/X11/XF86Config[-4] directly, try puttting the line: Driver "vesa" under Section "Device" . -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org From jeffr at odeon.net Thu Oct 24 17:59:19 2002 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hey... In-Reply-To: <001001c27b12$fe201b60$6701a8c0@luke> Message-ID: IIRC, the kernel config file that comes with the kernel source RPM from Redhat doesn't necessarily reflect the configuration of the default pre-compiled kernel that Redhat installs on the system. Therefore, just making one change to the kernel config may not turn on everything that was enabled in the old pre-compiled kernel. In fact, I'm willing to bet that if you turn NTFS back off and recompile, and then compare sizes or md5sums between the newest kernel and the original kernel, you'll find that they are not the same (probably, the newest kernel would be smaller than the original pre-compiles kernel). Jeff On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, Luke Steiner wrote: > Yes....evrything works in the old kernel... > > > I didn't change anything except for the NTFS support. > > > What else do you think? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Loren Burlingame > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 9:42 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] hey... > > could it be that this is the first time you have compiled your kernel > since you initially installed redhat? > > I am thinking that the kernel you were using was the precompiled kernel > that came with the RH install and when you recompiled you left out > something important like maybe usbdevfs support or maybe got the wrong > USB > chipset driver compiled (or maybe even left out USB support > alltogether). > > Anyway, regardless of whether you were using the default kernel or not, > if > you did not touch anything else then the problem must be in the kernel > you > installed.... > > I am assuming that everything works if you boot back into the old > kernel? > > LB > > > > > I'm using RedHat 8 > > > > > > I recompiled my kernel with NTFS read support...that is it. Now my > > mouse doesn't work in X. I tried configuring the mouse using > xf86config > > but it didn't work. Also I tried unplugging it and having RedHat > > configure it by itself. > > > > > > When I start my computer RedHat recognizes the mouse, that is plugged > > into my keyboard through USB. > > > > > > > > What am I missing? > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > > Luke > > > > > > > > > From florin at iucha.net Thu Oct 24 18:50:24 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] hey... In-Reply-To: References: <001001c27b12$fe201b60$6701a8c0@luke> Message-ID: <20021024231747.GC2438@iucha.net> On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 04:25:10PM -0500, jeffr@odeon.net wrote: > > IIRC, the kernel config file that comes with the kernel source RPM from > Redhat doesn't necessarily reflect the configuration of the default > pre-compiled kernel that Redhat installs on the system. > > Therefore, just making one change to the kernel config may not turn on > everything that was enabled in the old pre-compiled kernel. > > In fact, I'm willing to bet that if you turn NTFS back off and recompile, > and then compare sizes or md5sums between the newest kernel and the ^^^^^^^^^ Those won't match anyway as they have encoded the build host and timestamp. > original kernel, you'll find that they are not the same (probably, the > newest kernel would be smaller than the original pre-compiles kernel). That certainly sucks. Look in /boot or in /lib/modules/`uname -r` for a config file. 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OpenH323.org had a proxy thing that I never got to work. Maybe they have something more useful now. I'd start here for resources. -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org "The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world." From jonathon at quotidian.org Fri Oct 25 02:05:58 2002 From: jonathon at quotidian.org (Jonathon Jongsma) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] video problems with X References: <58bbb11c799a4bba993efd30bdab70d0.jonathon@quotidian.org> <20021024154854.A1952@baker.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3DB8CEF8.1020104@quotidian.org> hmm, Thanks for the suggestions. didn't seem to do the trick though. When I installed mandrake, i did select intel 845 (which i think is what i have). I tried vesa, and that didn't seem to help. Another thing that i didn't notice before. when I boot up, it gives me this error: PCI: Device 00:1f.1 not available because of resource collisions Could that be the video card?? (if you can't tell, i'm not much of a hardware guy). any help would be appreciated. Also -- should I try another distribution? Say Red Hat? Jonathon >First off, I am not sure what the "Mandrake-way" to do things is. >I think that you need to find out what the video chipset is. Its >quite possible that the video chipset is the Intel 845g chipset. >I have the i845g in my Compaq workstation, and its not yet >completely supported in X (or in the kernel for some of the other >functions). You should be able to get it to work using VESA >compatability mode. If you use a GUI to configure X, set the >driver to "vesa". Or if you edit /etc/X11/XF86Config[-4] >directly, try puttting the line: > Driver "vesa" >under Section "Device" . > > > > From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Oct 25 08:09:00 2002 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] video problems with X In-Reply-To: <3DB8CEF8.1020104@quotidian.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 24 Oct 2002, Jonathon Jongsma wrote: > hmm, > Thanks for the suggestions. didn't seem to do the trick though. When I > installed mandrake, i did select intel 845 (which i think is what i > have). I tried vesa, and that didn't seem to help. Another thing that > i didn't notice before. when I boot up, it gives me this error: > > PCI: Device 00:1f.1 not available because of resource collisions > > Could that be the video card?? (if you can't tell, i'm not much of a > hardware guy). Run `lspci`. There should be a description next to "00:1f.1". Is it your video controller? > any help would be appreciated. Also -- should I try another > distribution? Say Red Hat? As long as you're using a relatively new release, I don't think it matters especially much. The only hard part might be finding distro-specific help. *shrug* Jima From bgilbertson at stonel.com Fri Oct 25 08:11:00 2002 From: bgilbertson at stonel.com (Bob Gilbertson) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] video problems with X References: <58bbb11c799a4bba993efd30bdab70d0.jonathon@quotidian.org> <20021024154854.A1952@baker.space.umn.edu> <3DB8CEF8.1020104@quotidian.org> Message-ID: <3DB937BD.4090200@stonel.com> Jonathon, Looks like it might be a resource allocation problem. From command line try: "lspci -v | less" for console display or "lspci -v > lspci.txt" to dump to text file. Looks kind of intimidating to start with, look for error messages, I/O or IRQ conflicts. Some PCI will normally share same IRQ though. A quick way to try another distro would be Knoppix. http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html It boots off the CD into RAM, doesn't touch the HD. Debian based. If it works, run lspci on it, see what it comes back with. HTH, Bob Jonathon Jongsma wrote: > hmm, > Thanks for the suggestions. didn't seem to do the trick though. When I > installed mandrake, i did select intel 845 (which i think is what i > have). I tried vesa, and that didn't seem to help. Another thing that > i didn't notice before. when I boot up, it gives me this error: > > PCI: Device 00:1f.1 not available because of resource collisions > > Could that be the video card?? (if you can't tell, i'm not much of a > hardware guy). > any help would be appreciated. Also -- should I try another > distribution? Say Red Hat? > > Jonathon From bgilbertson at stonel.com Fri Oct 25 08:32:51 2002 From: bgilbertson at stonel.com (Bob Gilbertson) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] video problems with X References: <58bbb11c799a4bba993efd30bdab70d0.jonathon@quotidian.org> <20021024154854.A1952@baker.space.umn.edu> <3DB8CEF8.1020104@quotidian.org> <3DB937BD.4090200@stonel.com> Message-ID: <3DB9454B.1010101@stonel.com> Followup: Looks like lspci isn't in Knoppix package list :( There is a pciutils tho, looks similar. http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/pciutils.html Bob Bob Gilbertson wrote: > Jonathon, > > Looks like it might be a resource allocation problem. From > command line try: "lspci -v | less" for console display or > "lspci -v > lspci.txt" to dump to text file. Looks kind of > intimidating to start with, look for error messages, I/O or > IRQ conflicts. Some PCI will normally share same IRQ though. > > A quick way to try another distro would be Knoppix. > http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html > It boots off the CD into RAM, doesn't touch the HD. Debian > based. If it works, run lspci on it, see what it comes back with. > > HTH, > > Bob From drew at usfamily.net Fri Oct 25 12:44:39 2002 From: drew at usfamily.net (drew@usfamily.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] iometer for linux In-Reply-To: <3DB8CEF8.1020104@quotidian.org> Message-ID: <200210251725.g9PHPbv03352@sprite.real-time.com> Has anyone had experience getting iometer to run under linux. Ive pulled the sources off of source forge and got dynamo to compile but, I just cant get it to connect to the windows client, every time i try the windows client hangs. looking at the forums for the project ive found that many others have experienced the same problem, but noone knows how to fix it. while those who did get it to work are not really sure why its working. Ive come into the problem of not being able to connect to older iometer versions, getting a message that the two are not compatible, so I made a change in the verion number and recompiled dynamo, but still cant get even the older version to connect. It just hangs iometer like before. If anyone has any ideas please let me know. Sorry for the bad synthax but Im sending this off of my wireless pda and its a pain to put in too much punctuation. Thanks. Andrew Nemchenko ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ From kbullock at ringworld.org Fri Oct 25 13:00:28 2002 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] video problems with X In-Reply-To: <3DB9454B.1010101@stonel.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 lspci should be included in pciutils, or some similar package. It's installed by default on most distros, isn't it? Any that I've worked with anyway. Failing that, you can grep /proc to find the same info, though it's harder that way. Pacem in terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock On Friday, Oct 25, 2002, at 08:21 US/Central, Bob Gilbertson wrote: > Looks like lspci isn't in Knoppix package list :( > There is a pciutils tho, looks similar. > http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/pciutils.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (Darwin) iD8DBQE9uVFB6/d2O5F0l58RAmXDAJ925nlSVqQGBu9SKs1hCTvZbUHdlACffho3 Jov5eFrlnFgNV9dUC2LLN0w= =A7lC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com Fri Oct 25 21:38:38 2002 From: MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com (Mark Courtney) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DNS Server Behind A Firewall Message-ID: <62929.209.98.213.140.1034607715.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> I have been trying to set up a DNS server behind a firewall and I have had less than desirable results. I can successfully operate a Web server behind the firewall, by opening TCP port 80, but the DNS server does not work even when opening port 53 UPD and TCP. I have restarted named and reloaded the configuration after placing the DNS server behind the firewall. My domains do not resolve from other networks (ISP's) when I put the DNS server behind the firewall. I also use this DNS server as the primary for my local network. Is there a change that needs to be made to the named config files? Another port that needs to be opened? Thanks In Advance From dsherman at real-time.com Sat Oct 26 09:56:01 2002 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 9.0 CD 2 permissions hosed Message-ID: <1035642662.3239.2.camel@dedannshae> Is anyone aware that on ftp.mn-linux.org, the Mandrake 9.0 iso CD 2 is set to 0600 ? The others are 0644. I'd really like to get that second CD if possible... -- Dave Sherman | "They that can give up essential liberty MCSE, MCSA, CCNA | to obtain a little temporary safety | deserve neither liberty nor safety." | - Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021026/6cbc107b/attachment.pgp From dsherman at real-time.com Sat Oct 26 13:17:00 2002 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Mandrake 9.0 CD 2 permissions hosed In-Reply-To: <1035642662.3239.2.camel@dedannshae> References: <1035642662.3239.2.camel@dedannshae> Message-ID: <1035644400.3301.5.camel@dedannshae> Actually, I went and found a different mirror, and the sizes for CD 2 are different, too. So it's just as well I didn't download that iso, since it would've been borked anyway. Dave On Sat, 2002-10-26 at 09:30, Dave Sherman wrote: > Is anyone aware that on ftp.mn-linux.org, the Mandrake 9.0 iso CD 2 is > set to 0600 ? The others are 0644. I'd really like to get that second CD > if possible... > > -- > Dave Sherman | "They that can give up essential liberty > MCSE, MCSA, CCNA | to obtain a little temporary safety > | deserve neither liberty nor safety." > | - Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) -- Dave Sherman | "They that can give up essential liberty MCSE, MCSA, CCNA | to obtain a little temporary safety | deserve neither liberty nor safety." | - Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I can chmod the perms manually, but they'll get reset tonight when the mirror script runs again. - -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9utsnfPGnCSzBsogRAumTAKDQrAXHSzK5NSRoeB6ZHCBBjxZItQCfcGbd /9yTfJQEubQGew7Jrj+Fyw8= =00sH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From follower at usfamily.net Sat Oct 26 19:37:43 2002 From: follower at usfamily.net (Fredrick Fleming) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wvdial Message-ID: <3DBB2014.F9DF857E@usfamily.net> A friend of mine set up wvdial on my computer, bow I have moved someplace else and I need to change the phone number on it. It is in SuSE and I can't find it. HELP!!! I had a Stroke before and it is hard to do some of these things. So step by step instrution would be great. ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ From austad at signal15.com Sun Oct 27 01:03:03 2002 From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DNS Server Behind A Firewall In-Reply-To: <62929.209.98.213.140.1034607715.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> Message-ID: <7B1A8A1B-E94F-11D6-ABA3-00039395531E@signal15.com> What software are you using? I've had this problem before using bind 8, but it seems to work fine with bind 9. Jay On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 10:01 AM, Mark Courtney wrote: > I have been trying to set up a DNS server behind a firewall and I have > had > less than desirable results. > I can successfully operate a Web server behind the firewall, by opening > TCP port 80, but the DNS server does not work even when opening port 53 > UPD and TCP. > I have restarted named and reloaded the configuration after placing the > DNS server behind the firewall. > My domains do not resolve from other networks (ISP's) when I put the > DNS > server behind the firewall. > I also use this DNS server as the primary for my local network. > > Is there a change that needs to be made to the named config files? > Another port that needs to be opened? > > Thanks In Advance > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From john4293 at umn.edu Sun Oct 27 01:25:44 2002 From: john4293 at umn.edu (Thomas Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wvdial In-Reply-To: <3DBB2014.F9DF857E@usfamily.net> References: <3DBB2014.F9DF857E@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <20021026232930.3428f1d7.john4293@umn.edu> by default wvdial looks for the config file /etc/wvdial.conf and/or another file which i believe resides in your home directory, you might also check the wvdial & wvdial.conf man pages. hope this helps, On Sat, 26 Oct 2002 18:07:01 -0500 Fredrick Fleming wrote: > A friend of mine set up wvdial on my computer, bow I have moved > someplace else and I need to change the phone number on it. It is in > SuSE and I can't find it. > HELP!!! I had a Stroke before and it is hard to do some of these > things. So step by step instrution would be great. > > > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > Thomas Johnson -------------- john4293 at umn dot edu 763.458.9071 (cell) -------------- * if it's not broken, i haven't worked hard enough. * whatever happens, don't you dare say I brought it upon us. leave me out of your collective. * new microsoft slogan: don't be a terrorist, use windows xp. From lxy at cloudnet.com Sun Oct 27 01:26:12 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wvdial In-Reply-To: <3DBB2014.F9DF857E@usfamily.net> Message-ID: You can probably find the setting in /etc/wvdial.conf -Brian From veldy at veldy.net Sun Oct 27 01:53:39 2002 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Source distributions like Gentoo and LFS? Message-ID: <011401c273a8$c1805bf0$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> Are there any other Linux source distributions besides Gentoo and LFS? I like LFS, but it is too messy to maintain on a server. I like Gentoo, but I am disenchanted with the use of rsync and the lack of source branching for the base system. There is a potential that there will not be any maintenance (other than incidental and short-term) along any line except HEAD for that project. Tom Veldhouse -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 2853 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021027/2f8cb76d/smime.bin From wilson at visi.com Sun Oct 27 08:47:12 2002 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Source distributions like Gentoo and LFS? In-Reply-To: <011401c273a8$c1805bf0$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> References: <011401c273a8$c1805bf0$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> Message-ID: <20021027135754.GA12510@isis.visi.com> On Mon, Oct 14, 2002 at 12:40:12PM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > Are there any other Linux source distributions besides Gentoo and LFS? I > like LFS, but it is too messy to maintain on a server. I like Gentoo, but I > am disenchanted with the use of rsync and the lack of source branching for > the base system. There is a potential that there will not be any > maintenance (other than incidental and short-term) along any line except > HEAD for that project. I just saw on the Gentoo page that you can now choose between stable and testing/unstable in the portage tree. Is that what you're talking about? There is also Sorcerer Linux (http://sorcerer.wox.org/) -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From g91 at baz-tech.com Sun Oct 27 09:39:43 2002 From: g91 at baz-tech.com (Bryan Zimmer) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DNS Server Behind A Firewall References: <62929.209.98.213.140.1034607715.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> Message-ID: <009b01c27dc8$fe1d27d0$7346f6cc@d38> Hi, I'm not an expert on this but I've been successfully running a couple of DNS name servers for a couple of years now. You've run all the checks on your config files, right? I mean named-checkzone and named-checkconf. I'm assuming you have you hints file in place. I use have a local network with an iptables firewall.In iptables I allow the name server to receive queries at port 53 from anywhere (if you don't accept queries from everywhere you would want to restrict this). I also allow allow messages originating from port 53 on the other name servers that serve my domain. I have the loopback interface open to accept all messages that come from the localhost via the loopback interface, which allows me to run rndc among other things. If your firewall filters outgoing traffic you may want to use an option in your named.conf file, under "options". What you might use is "query-source 53", but it shouldn't ordinarily be necessary. Usually you don't need this because the name server will choose a random unprivileged port to talk to other name servers, and once established it shouldn't be a problem. Older name servers always used port 53 for nameserver-to-nameserver queries and it is still a standard for many. What I wonder is: is named starting up OK? Have you started it with debugging enabled (try option -d3 to named) and check the debug output in named.run. That will tell you if your name server is communicating with the outside world. You may also try ethereal if you haven't already, to see if your nameservers communicate OK with the outside world. If named is running fine but you're not getting answers from outside name servers, you definitely have a firewall configuration problem. The other thing that might be an issue is who the officially registered name server is. This information would be listed with the registrar of the domain.Those name servers have to be able to locate your name server. If your name server is the officially registered one (for example if you are running your own domain), it is possible that your name server is not found by other name servers, because your name server has to gave a resolvable IP address. It has to be listed with an official name server from your domain, if its address isn't already known. When this happened to me, I had my ISP's NS temporarily registered as official for my domain. Once my name servers could be looked up, I changed the official registration for my own domain to my own name servers. If you don't know the domains registrar you should be able to say "whois [yourdomain.com]". That should tell you what you need to know. Also, I am assuming you are not using DNSSEC, with which you would have keys to encrypt and authenticate your NS communications. That's a separate problem. It sounds like your NS works locally for your network. I assume you have also used "host" and "dig" to verify that the name server works fine. I hope this helps. With a firewall and a DNS server it's easy to have them interfere with each other. If you want to I'd be glad to help further with this. Bryan Zimmer (baz@baz-tech.com). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Courtney" To: Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 9:01 AM Subject: [TCLUG] DNS Server Behind A Firewall > I have been trying to set up a DNS server behind a firewall and I have had > less than desirable results. > I can successfully operate a Web server behind the firewall, by opening > TCP port 80, but the DNS server does not work even when opening port 53 > UPD and TCP. > I have restarted named and reloaded the configuration after placing the > DNS server behind the firewall. > My domains do not resolve from other networks (ISP's) when I put the DNS > server behind the firewall. > I also use this DNS server as the primary for my local network. > > Is there a change that needs to be made to the named config files? > Another port that needs to be opened? > > Thanks In Advance > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From veldy at veldy.net Sun Oct 27 09:41:43 2002 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Source distributions like Gentoo and LFS? References: <011401c273a8$c1805bf0$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> <20021027135754.GA12510@isis.visi.com> Message-ID: <002401c27dcd$24085a10$0101a8c0@cascade> You can, but they remove old ebuilds from the rsync, even in stable. So, if I were to chose to keep a 1.2 system around for awhile, it is likely that it would be quickly obsoleted. BTW - why did it take MANY days for my post to arrive on the list??? Tom Veldhouse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Wilson" To: Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 7:57 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Source distributions like Gentoo and LFS? > On Mon, Oct 14, 2002 at 12:40:12PM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > Are there any other Linux source distributions besides Gentoo and LFS? I > > like LFS, but it is too messy to maintain on a server. I like Gentoo, but I > > am disenchanted with the use of rsync and the lack of source branching for > > the base system. There is a potential that there will not be any > > maintenance (other than incidental and short-term) along any line except > > HEAD for that project. > > I just saw on the Gentoo page that you can now choose between stable and > testing/unstable in the portage tree. Is that what you're talking about? > > There is also Sorcerer Linux (http://sorcerer.wox.org/) > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: > Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com > W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org > wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jonathon at quotidian.org Sun Oct 27 13:15:58 2002 From: jonathon at quotidian.org (Jonathon Jongsma) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] video problems with X References: <58bbb11c799a4bba993efd30bdab70d0.jonathon@quotidian.org> <20021024154854.A1952@baker.space.umn.edu> <3DB8CEF8.1020104@quotidian.org> <3DB937BD.4090200@stonel.com> Message-ID: <3DBC28A1.9000303@quotidian.org> Thanks for the lspci suggestion. I hadn't known about that before. Unfortunately, as i said, i'm not much of a hardware guy, so I can't necessarily interpret this stuff. Here's what it gives me for 00:1f.1 (the one that was giving me the error): 00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801DB ICH4 IDE (rev 01) (prog-if 8a [Master SecP PriPI) Subsystem: Dell Computer Corporation: Unknown device 013d Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 16 I/O ports at [size=8] I/O ports at [size=4] I/O ports at [size=8] I/O ports at [size=4] I/O ports at f000 [size=16] Memory at 10000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=1K] It seems something's wrong with the I/O ports? but i don't know what or how to fix it. Also, device 00:1d.0 (USB Controller) and device 01:04.0 (Modem) are listed at IRQ 16. I don't see anything suspicious under the VGA controller device listing. So again, I'm hoping somebody can give me some advice as to what this all means. Thanks, Jonathon Bob Gilbertson wrote: > Jonathon, > > Looks like it might be a resource allocation problem. From > command line try: "lspci -v | less" for console display or > "lspci -v > lspci.txt" to dump to text file. Looks kind of > intimidating to start with, look for error messages, I/O or > IRQ conflicts. Some PCI will normally share same IRQ though. > > A quick way to try another distro would be Knoppix. > http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html > It boots off the CD into RAM, doesn't touch the HD. Debian > based. If it works, run lspci on it, see what it comes back with. > > HTH, > > Bob > > > Jonathon Jongsma wrote: > >> hmm, >> Thanks for the suggestions. didn't seem to do the trick though. >> When I installed mandrake, i did select intel 845 (which i think is >> what i have). I tried vesa, and that didn't seem to help. Another >> thing that i didn't notice before. when I boot up, it gives me this >> error: >> >> PCI: Device 00:1f.1 not available because of resource collisions >> >> Could that be the video card?? (if you can't tell, i'm not much of a >> hardware guy). any help would be appreciated. Also -- should I try >> another distribution? Say Red Hat? >> >> Jonathon > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From piemontemd at mysun.com Sun Oct 27 17:23:50 2002 From: piemontemd at mysun.com (Michael Piemonte) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm having boot errors Message-ID: <653eb6548a.6548a653eb@mysun.com> When I try to boot I get a stop error message. How do you flash the bios? or is there something else I can do to boot into Linux or Windows? Sincerly, Michael D. Piemonte From rclark at lakesplus.com Sun Oct 27 18:39:43 2002 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH7.2, Firewall, and NetMeeting References: <006001c27798$6ea29bc0$0201a8c0@office> <1035515861.5865.1.camel@tanj> Message-ID: <013c01c27e14$69cbe110$0201a8c0@office> I will check out OpenH323.org for information there. I did have it work on a 2.2 kernel (Caldera) and was able to get signals in and out (not sure if it was my setup skills or the fact that I only need to connect to a small family of IP addresses and I hard wired the firewall to allow anything in from that one node, plus I had the h.323 module stuff for the 2.2 kernel - did the same for the 2.4 kernel, but no go). Thanks for the feedback. I will update the list if I ever get it to work smoothly on a 2.4 kernel. Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)" To: "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] RH7.2, Firewall, and NetMeeting > H.323 is what you get when you let telecommunications engineers design > network communication protocols. :) It is in no way what-so-ever > designed with NAT in mind, thus there is almost no support for > it last time I checked, but from memory: > > There were nat modules for 2.2 kernels that kinda worked, if you stood > on your head and did some voodoo. > > Modules for 2.4 kernels were kinda under development, but not in the > kernels or in the offical iptables release. > > OpenH323.org had a proxy thing that I never got to work. Maybe they have > something more useful now. I'd start here for resources. > > -- > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org > "The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making > a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims > to be trying to take over the world." > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From sos at zjod.net Sun Oct 27 18:40:30 2002 From: sos at zjod.net (Steve Siegfried) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anyone else seeing a flood of arp "who-has" requests on attbi.com? Message-ID: <200210280020.g9S0KXG00979@zjod.net> Folks, My ISP is attbi.com. For a while now, I've been flooded with arp "who-has" requests... up to 20/second in spurts and 1-2/second sustained for hours. Most of the requesting boxes are various ATTBI.com routers or gateways, NOT client boxes. Based on what tcpdump is telling me, most of the requests are for a very limited range of tcp-ip addresses. Is anyone else seeing this? Can anyone offer an explaination for why ATT is making what looks very much like continous sweeps to keep their ip address mapping up to date? It almost looks like a DOS attack mounted by my ISP'idly, -S From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sun Oct 27 20:34:32 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anyone else seeing a flood of arp "who-has" requests on attbi.com? In-Reply-To: <200210280020.g9S0KXG00979@zjod.net> References: <200210280020.g9S0KXG00979@zjod.net> Message-ID: <20021028010951.GA6157@techmonkeys.org> On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 06:20:33PM -0600, Steve Siegfried wrote: > > Folks, > > My ISP is attbi.com. For a while now, I've been flooded with arp > "who-has" requests... up to 20/second in spurts and 1-2/second sustained > for hours. Most of the requesting boxes are various ATTBI.com routers or > gateways, NOT client boxes. > > Based on what tcpdump is telling me, most of the requests are for a very > limited range of tcp-ip addresses. > > Is anyone else seeing this? > > Can anyone offer an explaination for why ATT is making what looks very > much like continous sweeps to keep their ip address mapping up to date? > > It almost looks like a DOS attack mounted by my ISP'idly, > While it is bad for the network, it's not AT&T's fault. The source is a variety of things: 1) people port scanning blocks of IP addreses. 2) [insert scanning exploit here] scanning huge blocks of IP's looking for hosts to infect. AT&T (sadly) blocked port 80 further out in their network, which reduces much of the arp storms that were caused by Code Red and it's variants, but there are plenty of other things/people out there still scanning. > -S -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From loren at lorenburlingame.com Sun Oct 27 22:22:34 2002 From: loren at lorenburlingame.com (Loren Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anyone else seeing a flood of arp "who-has" requests on attbi.com? References: <200210280020.g9S0KXG00979@zjod.net> Message-ID: <000601c27e29$b73d4500$0200a8c0@local.lorenburlingame.com> from the few message boards I have scanned this is due to, at least in part, the code red virus agressively scanning the local cable subnet. LB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Siegfried" To: Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 6:20 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Anyone else seeing a flood of arp "who-has" requests on attbi.com? > > Folks, > > My ISP is attbi.com. For a while now, I've been flooded with arp > "who-has" requests... up to 20/second in spurts and 1-2/second sustained > for hours. Most of the requesting boxes are various ATTBI.com routers or > gateways, NOT client boxes. > > Based on what tcpdump is telling me, most of the requests are for a very > limited range of tcp-ip addresses. > > Is anyone else seeing this? > > Can anyone offer an explaination for why ATT is making what looks very > much like continous sweeps to keep their ip address mapping up to date? > > It almost looks like a DOS attack mounted by my ISP'idly, > > -S > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From bgilbertson at stonel.com Mon Oct 28 08:30:15 2002 From: bgilbertson at stonel.com (Bob Gilbertson) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] video problems with X References: <58bbb11c799a4bba993efd30bdab70d0.jonathon@quotidian.org> <20021024154854.A1952@baker.space.umn.edu> <3DB8CEF8.1020104@quotidian.org> <3DB937BD.4090200@stonel.com> <3DBC28A1.9000303@quotidian.org> Message-ID: <3DBD3053.7030604@stonel.com> Jonathon, Don't have much experience myself, but from your post appears it is an IDE device it can't identify, and therefore doesn't know what to do with. Perhaps needs a driver. Usually IDE device is hard drive, CD rom or some other storage device. Suggest comparing list with known hardware in machine looking for what is unaccounted for. HTH, Bob Jonathon Jongsma wrote: > Thanks for the lspci suggestion. I hadn't known about that before. > Unfortunately, as i said, i'm not much of a hardware guy, so I can't > necessarily interpret this stuff. Here's what it gives me for 00:1f.1 > (the one that was giving me the error): > > 00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801DB ICH4 IDE (rev 01) (prog-if 8a > [Master SecP PriPI) > Subsystem: Dell Computer Corporation: Unknown device 013d > Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 16 > I/O ports at [size=8] > I/O ports at [size=4] > I/O ports at [size=8] > I/O ports at [size=4] > I/O ports at f000 [size=16] > Memory at 10000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=1K] > > > It seems something's wrong with the I/O ports? but i don't know what or > how to fix it. Also, device 00:1d.0 (USB Controller) and device 01:04.0 > (Modem) are listed at IRQ 16. I don't see anything suspicious under the > VGA controller device listing. So again, I'm hoping somebody can give > me some advice as to what this all means. Thanks, > Jonathon From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com Mon Oct 28 09:10:59 2002 From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anyone else seeing a flood of arp "who-has" requests on attbi.com? In-Reply-To: <20021028010951.GA6157@techmonkeys.org> References: <200210280020.g9S0KXG00979@zjod.net> <20021028010951.GA6157@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <1035816753.11620.2.camel@edith> On Sun, 2002-10-27 at 19:09, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: Snip--- > AT&T (sadly) blocked port 80 further out in their network, which reduces > much of the arp storms that were caused by Code Red and it's variants, but > there are plenty of other things/people out there still scanning. > Snip--- Port 80 seems to be open again. Kelly Black KB0GBJ From kbullock at ringworld.org Mon Oct 28 09:54:52 2002 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] video problems with X In-Reply-To: <3DBC28A1.9000303@quotidian.org> References: <58bbb11c799a4bba993efd30bdab70d0.jonathon@quotidian.org> <20021024154854.A1952@baker.space.umn.edu> <3DB8CEF8.1020104@quotidian.org> <3DB937BD.4090200@stonel.com> <3DBC28A1.9000303@quotidian.org> Message-ID: <49466.134.29.26.219.1035818278.squirrel@www.ringworld.org> > Thanks for the lspci suggestion. I hadn't known about that before. > Unfortunately, as i said, i'm not much of a hardware guy, so I > can't > necessarily interpret this stuff. Here's what it gives me for > 00:1f.1 (the one that was giving me the error): > > 00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801DB ICH4 IDE (rev 01) > (prog-if 8a [Master SecP PriPI) > Subsystem: Dell Computer Corporation: Unknown device 013d > Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 16 > I/O ports at [size=8] > I/O ports at [size=4] > I/O ports at [size=8] > I/O ports at [size=4] > I/O ports at f000 [size=16] > Memory at 10000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=1K] > > > It seems something's wrong with the I/O ports? but i don't know what > or how to fix it. Also, device 00:1d.0 (USB Controller) and device > 01:04.0 (Modem) are listed at IRQ 16. I don't see anything > suspicious under the VGA controller device listing. So again, I'm > hoping somebody can give me some advice as to what this all means. How are your keyboard/mouse hooked up? through USB? If they are, there's a chance that the IRQ is conflicting between the three things that are using IRQ16. If your mouse is on USB, try changing the USB IRQ to something other than 16 in the BIOS. Pacem in terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock From blutgens at sistina.com Mon Oct 28 09:59:01 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Source distributions like Gentoo and LFS? In-Reply-To: <011401c273a8$c1805bf0$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> Message-ID: On Monday, Oct 14, 2002, at 12:40 US/Central, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > Are there any other Linux source distributions besides Gentoo and LFS? > I > like LFS, but it is too messy to maintain on a server. I like Gentoo, > but I > am disenchanted with the use of rsync and the lack of source branching > for > the base system. There is a potential that there will not be any > maintenance (other than incidental and short-term) along any line > except > HEAD for that project. Not exactly true. The latest version of portage lets you select which version you'd like to track. You can choose to track stable or unstable/testing if you wish. > > Tom Veldhouse > Ben Lutgens System Administrator Sistina Software Inc http://www.sistina.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 186 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021028/38550689/attachment.pgp From HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu Mon Oct 28 10:30:37 2002 From: HoffossJ at facm.umn.edu (John Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Anyone else seeing a flood of arp "who-has" requests onattbi.com? Message-ID: From kbullock at ringworld.org Mon Oct 28 11:04:18 2002 From: kbullock at ringworld.org (Kevin Bullock) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm having boot errors In-Reply-To: <653eb6548a.6548a653eb@mysun.com> References: <653eb6548a.6548a653eb@mysun.com> Message-ID: <49467.134.29.26.219.1035818374.squirrel@www.ringworld.org> > When I try to boot I get a stop error message. How do you flash the > bios? or is there something else I can do to boot into Linux or > Windows? Need more info. At what point in the boot process do you get the error message? What does the error message say? What changed when this started happening? Pacem in terris / Mir / Shanti / Salaam / Heiwa Kevin R. Bullock From colin at tyr.med.umn.edu Mon Oct 28 11:48:56 2002 From: colin at tyr.med.umn.edu (Colin Kilbane) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Almost a complete computer for sale.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have a computer that is missing only a motherboard, the soyo slot 1 board I had in the system died. I've tested every other component in the system seperatly and they are working fine. So here is what I have for sale 1 celeron 500mhz processor (socket 370) with slot 1 adapter and fan 256 pc133 memory wd 20gig hard drive (ata 100) Vodoo III agp 16 meg graphics card 16 bit sound card modem (at least 36.6) have to check Networking cards, you can have 2 if you want mouse (pretty new) 48 x cdrom floppy new case and power supply asking $250 or best offer Just have to get yourself a new mb Colin Kilbane From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Mon Oct 28 11:54:53 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] video problems with X In-Reply-To: <49466.134.29.26.219.1035818278.squirrel@www.ringworld.org> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, Kevin Bullock wrote: > How are your keyboard/mouse hooked up? through USB? If they are, > there's a chance that the IRQ is conflicting between the three things > that are using IRQ16. If your mouse is on USB, try changing the USB > IRQ to something other than 16 in the BIOS. unless this is an old Pentootium or 486 and/or using ISA it is not an IRQ conflict with PCI/USB there is no such thing as IRQ conflicts anymore. Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9vXK4T3xMU/NWvLkRAmpHAKCVOmgF2rN63XVT+0guOm6CZX5Y1ACdHQ3r 5JA1xhl9GNsvu3asEXDLgeA= =WvMi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Oct 28 13:37:11 2002 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] X Fonts in debian Message-ID: <1035827561.3dbd79691409a@www.freakzilla.com> Ok, here's a weird one. I use thr freefont package you can get off ftp.gimp.org/pub/fonts (I think) under X for like, years. But they won't work on my laptop for some odd reason. My laptop and my desktop (and my wife's desktop) are all running debian (used to be sid, who knows now), all get dist-upgraded regularly. I've compared X and Font related packages and they look idenical, so I'm obviously missing something. I've also compared the font directories and they are identical also. When I try to add these directories, I get: X Error of failed request: 86 Major opcode of failed request: 51 (X_SetFontPath) Serial number of failed request: 8 Current serial number in output stream: 10 Anyone? -Yaron -- From florin at iucha.net Mon Oct 28 13:48:20 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] video problems with X In-Reply-To: References: <49466.134.29.26.219.1035818278.squirrel@www.ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20021028180958.GA13302@iucha.net> On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 11:24:02AM -0600, Munir Nassar wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, Kevin Bullock wrote: > > > How are your keyboard/mouse hooked up? through USB? If they are, > > there's a chance that the IRQ is conflicting between the three things > > that are using IRQ16. If your mouse is on USB, try changing the USB > > IRQ to something other than 16 in the BIOS. > > unless this is an old Pentootium or 486 and/or using ISA it is not an IRQ > conflict > > with PCI/USB there is no such thing as IRQ conflicts anymore. You are reading too many brochures. florin@bear:~$ cat /proc/interrupts CPU0 0: 127159010 XT-PIC timer 1: 33357 XT-PIC i8042 2: 0 XT-PIC cascade 5: 428317 XT-PIC ohci-hcd 8: 1 XT-PIC rtc 9: 0 XT-PIC acpi 10: 15679 XT-PIC advansys, ohci-hcd, CS46XX, radeon@PCI:1:0:0 11: 9387 XT-PIC ide2 12: 183902 XT-PIC eth0 14: 177460 XT-PIC ide0 15: 0 XT-PIC ide1 NMI: 0 LOC: 127159720 ERR: 125402 MIS: 0 The ohci-hcd thingie on IRQ5 is my USB mouse! It is (after the timer of course) the biggest source of interrupts in my system. If the system is loaded: playing music you get over nfs from a server and burning a cd and browsing (moving the mouse a lot), you might get lost interrupts. It just depends on how well the drivers share the irq line. A couple of years ago I was getting noise from the sound card every time a packet went through my ethernet card. And I couldn't do anything about it since it was a laptop, with all the interrupts wired to 11. The kernel and drivers imporoved a lot since then. There were also some problems back when X would grab the PCI bus and hold it too long, causing the dropped ethernet packets and noise over the music. Cheers, florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021028/95cf1404/attachment.pgp From kbongers at infinetivity.com Mon Oct 28 15:04:55 2002 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] video problems with X In-Reply-To: ; from nassarmu@redconcepts.net on Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 11:24:02AM -0600 References: <49466.134.29.26.219.1035818278.squirrel@www.ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20021028143256.A11152@localhost.localdomain> There can be problems with hardware and/or software drivers not sharing an IRQ properly. They should be able to share, but I would still consider shared interrupts as a potential problem area. On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 11:24:02AM -0600, Munir Nassar wrote: > unless this is an old Pentootium or 486 and/or using ISA it is not an IRQ > conflict > > with PCI/USB there is no such thing as IRQ conflicts anymore. > From kbongers at infinetivity.com Mon Oct 28 15:07:40 2002 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] video problems with X In-Reply-To: ; from nassarmu@redconcepts.net on Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 11:24:02AM -0600 References: <49466.134.29.26.219.1035818278.squirrel@www.ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20021028144254.A14476@localhost.localdomain> IRQ16? I thought x86 IRQ's ended at 15? Maybe you need to assign a real IRQ to PCI/PNP in the BIOS? From chrome at real-time.com Mon Oct 28 15:21:57 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:39 2005 Subject: Why the list is slow (was: Re: [TCLUG] Source distributions like Gentoo and LFS?) In-Reply-To: <002401c27dcd$24085a10$0101a8c0@cascade>; from veldy@veldy.net on Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 09:25:54AM -0600 References: <011401c273a8$c1805bf0$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> <20021027135754.GA12510@isis.visi.com> <002401c27dcd$24085a10$0101a8c0@cascade> Message-ID: <20021028150056.A10620@real-time.com> > BTW - why did it take MANY days for my post to arrive on the list??? > > Tom Veldhouse because the list server is vastly overloaded on I/O (always has been). we're working on putting in a cluster of machines to replace it. Carl Soderstrom. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Mon Oct 28 18:41:31 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] video problems with X In-Reply-To: <20021028180958.GA13302@iucha.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > How are your keyboard/mouse hooked up? through USB? If they are, > > > there's a chance that the IRQ is conflicting between the three things > > > that are using IRQ16. If your mouse is on USB, try changing the USB > > > IRQ to something other than 16 in the BIOS. > > > > unless this is an old Pentootium or 486 and/or using ISA it is not an IRQ > > conflict > > > > with PCI/USB there is no such thing as IRQ conflicts anymore. > > You are reading too many brochures. i just read too much. > The ohci-hcd thingie on IRQ5 is my USB mouse! It is (after the timer of > course) the biggest source of interrupts in my system. > > If the system is loaded: playing music you get over nfs from a server > and burning a cd and browsing (moving the mouse a lot), you might get > lost interrupts. > > It just depends on how well the drivers share the irq line. exactly. drivers. it is not a hardware problem anymore, but a software issue. > A couple of years ago I was getting noise from the sound card every time > a packet went through my ethernet card. And I couldn't do anything about > it since it was a laptop, with all the interrupts wired to 11. The > kernel and drivers imporoved a lot since then. my point exactly. > There were also some problems back when X would grab the PCI bus and > hold it too long, causing the dropped ethernet packets and noise over > the music. again, software, not hardware. > Cheers, > florin Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET From tanner at real-time.com Mon Oct 28 22:11:07 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDE-3.1-RC1 Message-ID: <20021028202359.A2111@real-time.com> For thos interested: ftp://ktown.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/kde-3.1-rc1/src' KDE-3.1-RC1 -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From jonathon at quotidian.org Tue Oct 29 00:47:48 2002 From: jonathon at quotidian.org (Jonathon Jongsma) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] video problems with X References: <58bbb11c799a4bba993efd30bdab70d0.jonathon@quotidian.org> <20021024154854.A1952@baker.space.umn.edu> <3DB8CEF8.1020104@quotidian.org> <3DB937BD.4090200@stonel.com> <3DBC28A1.9000303@quotidian.org> <3DBD3053.7030604@stonel.com> Message-ID: <3DBE1BD3.5070008@quotidian.org> hmmm. ok, but if i'm able to boot, it's obviously accessing the Hard drive. And I installed from CD, so it obviously recognizes the CDROM drive, right? confused. I don't have any other IDE devices that i know of... Jonathon Bob Gilbertson wrote: > Jonathon, > > Don't have much experience myself, but from your post appears it is an > IDE device it can't identify, and therefore doesn't know what to do with. > Perhaps needs a driver. Usually IDE device is hard drive, CD rom or > some other storage device. Suggest comparing list with known hardware in > machine looking for what is unaccounted for. > > HTH, > Bob > From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Oct 29 12:44:59 2002 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Athlon MP Message-ID: I'm building an uber-number crunching box for a guy. He wants the best in everything, so naturaly I recomended an Athlon MP machine. he had a few choice words to say about the dual MPs, and wanted a single Athlon instead. He wouldn't tell me WHY, other than "I've heard things". Is Athlon MP a good choice? Are there weird issues under various OS's? (this box will be running dual Win2K/Linux). -Brian From kent at structural-wood.com Tue Oct 29 13:13:11 2002 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Athlon MP References: Message-ID: <3DBED98C.6080904@structural-wood.com> I'm running a dual Pentium III 800 and a dual Athlon 1800+ as corporate application, file, and print servers, and they both perform extremely well. The Athlon is much faster than the Pentium, as it should be. The Pentium box has been running continuously for a bit over a year, the Athlon for about 2 months. I wouldn't hesitate to go with a dual MB, Athlon or otherwise. Brian wrote: > I'm building an uber-number crunching box for a guy. He wants the best in > everything, so naturaly I recomended an Athlon MP machine. he had a few > choice words to say about the dual MPs, and wanted a single Athlon > instead. He wouldn't tell me WHY, other than "I've heard things". > > Is Athlon MP a good choice? Are there weird issues under various > OS's? (this box will be running dual Win2K/Linux). > > -Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From blutgens at sistina.com Tue Oct 29 13:55:15 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Athlon MP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <869B1410-EB72-11D6-8DA3-000393B93C2A@sistina.com> On Tuesday, Oct 29, 2002, at 10:27 US/Central, Brian wrote: > I'm building an uber-number crunching box for a guy. He wants the > best in > everything, so naturaly I recomended an Athlon MP machine. he had a > few > choice words to say about the dual MPs, and wanted a single Athlon > instead. He wouldn't tell me WHY, other than "I've heard things". Any perceived problems I've heard about athlon MPs were related to motherboard deficiencies. On the same note, I've seen many athlons have serious performance degradations starting at about 6 months of normal use. > > Is Athlon MP a good choice? Are there weird issues under various > OS's? (this box will be running dual Win2K/Linux). > > -Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > Ben Lutgens System Administrator Sistina Software Inc http://www.sistina.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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As for the processor itself, I've only heard that the MP is essentially the same as an XP, just "guaranteed" by AMD to work in a multi-processor setting. I've also heard there were issues with Tyan's first dual-MP mobo, but I would imagine those issues could be attributed to being bleeding-edge and would be resolved by now. my $0.02. Hope they help. -John >>> lxy@cloudnet.com 10/29/02 10:27AM >>> I'm building an uber-number crunching box for a guy. He wants the best in everything, so naturaly I recomended an Athlon MP machine. he had a few choice words to say about the dual MPs, and wanted a single Athlon instead. He wouldn't tell me WHY, other than "I've heard things". Is Athlon MP a good choice? Are there weird issues under various OS's? (this box will be running dual Win2K/Linux). -Brian _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021029/074b76dc/attachment.htm From rclark at lakesplus.com Tue Oct 29 13:56:55 2002 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Athlon MP References: Message-ID: <018101c27f7e$d7eebf30$0201a8c0@office> Some colleagues of mine have a dual MP box (RH7.2 or 3 I believe). I have not heard them complain about problems etc. The intent of that machine was for heavy number crunching as well - commercial computational fluid dynamic codes. As I posted previously, I have an AMD XP 2100+ system for number crunching. I need to finish running a heavy numerical job to really know if I am getting the speed up that I thought I should get. I sometimes check the SpecFP type numbers for specific hardware to see what a particular platform might produce. I have the new Athlon kernel up and running (there is a good chance I had the 686 kernel before - if that makes sense) ... once I finish this analysis (15-20 hrs) I will report back as to what I thought about the performance on AMD versus an dual older PIII 700 MHz. Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 10:27 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Athlon MP > I'm building an uber-number crunching box for a guy. He wants the best in > everything, so naturaly I recomended an Athlon MP machine. he had a few > choice words to say about the dual MPs, and wanted a single Athlon > instead. He wouldn't tell me WHY, other than "I've heard things". > > Is Athlon MP a good choice? Are there weird issues under various > OS's? (this box will be running dual Win2K/Linux). > > -Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jeffr at odeon.net Tue Oct 29 14:04:27 2002 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Athlon MP In-Reply-To: <3DBED98C.6080904@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: I would avoid the Tyan Thunder K7 (the first dual Athlon motherboard) as it requires a non-standard powersupply. Other than that, I've only heard good things about dual Athlon systems. Note that there are two dual Athlon chipsets. The original 760MP, and the slightly newer 760MPX. I don't recall the differences off the top of my head, but a quick look through www.tomshardware.com or www.anandtech.com should tell you. Jeff On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Kent Schumacher wrote: > I'm running a dual Pentium III 800 and a dual Athlon 1800+ as corporate > application, file, and print servers, and they both perform extremely well. > The Athlon is much faster than the Pentium, as it should be. The Pentium > box has been running continuously for a bit over a year, the Athlon for about > 2 months. > > I wouldn't hesitate to go with a dual MB, Athlon or otherwise. > > > Brian wrote: > > I'm building an uber-number crunching box for a guy. He wants the best in > > everything, so naturaly I recomended an Athlon MP machine. he had a few > > choice words to say about the dual MPs, and wanted a single Athlon > > instead. He wouldn't tell me WHY, other than "I've heard things". > > > > Is Athlon MP a good choice? Are there weird issues under various > > OS's? (this box will be running dual Win2K/Linux). > > > > -Brian > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From clay at fandre.com Tue Oct 29 14:07:43 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] November TCLUG Meeting Message-ID: <20021029045620.GA9389@fandre.com> When: Saturday, November 2nd, 2002 Noon - 2pm Topic Automating your home entertainment system with Linux. Presented by Karl Bongers Look Ma, no hands! Learn how to drive your computer with a hand held remote control, or how to control your stereo, VCR or TV with your computer. Untap the secrets of the couch potatoe universe. Learn the gory details of running LIRC (Linux Infrared Remote Control, http://www.lirc.org) software to drive musac and video applications. Find out about home-brew electronic circuits and off the shelf hardware to interface your computer with IR remote control. Where: University of Minnesota Electrical Engineering/Computer Science Building Room EE-CS 3-180 MAP here: http://onestop.umn.edu/Maps/EECSci/index.html Parking: The Washington Ave. parking ramp is across the street from the EE/CS building. This is usually your best bet unless there is a sporting event going on. http://onestop.umn.edu/Maps/WashRamp/ Hope to see you there! _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Oct 29 14:47:51 2002 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telling squid how to route? Message-ID: Hey, I've got a multihomed network right now, and I want Squid to go out through the (much faster) cable. However, squid lives on a machine with other functions that need to go out through the (much more reliable and static) DSL. Yes, I have a lot of junk machines lying around, but proxy servers like to have a lot of RAM and diskspace, and I don't have any large drives or large amounts of RAM lying around (: Anyone know if there's a way to do this, maybe on the networking level? -Yaron -- From justinhaaheim at mn.rr.com Tue Oct 29 16:40:28 2002 From: justinhaaheim at mn.rr.com (Justin Haaheim) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question from a Gustavus student Message-ID: <3DBEC3D1.7040602@mn.rr.com> Hi. I've got a linux question. I've got a gateway system (about a year old) running RedHat 8. The machine has a SoundBlaster Live! Value card in it which has four ports on the back (Line in, Mic, Speaker output, Aux output). On my gateway system (and with my digital boston speakers), the drivers/software allowed me to select the primary speaker output to be digital (and then I hooked my stereo up to the aux output which remained analog). Now that I'm running linux, my aux output still works to my stereo, but I can't figure out how to tell my drivers to give digital output to my speakers through the main speaker out port. If you guys can give any help, that would be greatly appreciated. I've actually got a second question. I'm running Win XP and Redhat 8 on two separate hard drives (this is the same machine) and trying to dual boot. As it is, i can boot into either by switching which hard drive the bios goes to in order to boot, but the GRUB booter doesn't work. The grub booter was configured during install, and the config file is consistent with information i've read on dual booting. When i go to select windows to boot, it prints the commands that GRUB runs but then just sits there. Could it be that, because both os's were installed with their respective hard drive being the main boot hard drive, that's why i can't dual boot? Again, any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Justin Haaheim From natecars at real-time.com Tue Oct 29 16:54:45 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telling squid how to route? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Yaron wrote: > I've got a multihomed network right now, and I want Squid to go out > through the (much faster) cable. However, squid lives on a machine > with other functions that need to go out through the (much more > reliable and static) DSL. > > Yes, I have a lot of junk machines lying around, but proxy servers > like to have a lot of RAM and diskspace, and I don't have any large > drives or large amounts of RAM lying around (: > > Anyone know if there's a way to do this, maybe on the networking > level? Bind Squid to a different IP address, and use advanced routing stuff to route it out the quicker link. IE, (define tables in your /etc/iproute2/rt_tables file) ip route add 0/0 via dev table cable ip route add 0/0 via dev table dsl ip rule add from table cable pri 2 may be a bit more you have to define, but that's the basic idea. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From list at slushpupie.com Tue Oct 29 17:12:37 2002 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telling squid how to route? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200210291653.57794.list@slushpupie.com> On Tuesday 29 October 2002 02:26 pm, Yaron wrote: > Hey, > > I've got a multihomed network right now, and I want Squid to go out > through the (much faster) cable. However, squid lives on a machine with > other functions that need to go out through the (much more reliable and > static) DSL. > > Yes, I have a lot of junk machines lying around, but proxy servers like to > have a lot of RAM and diskspace, and I don't have any large drives or > large amounts of RAM lying around (: > > Anyone know if there's a way to do this, maybe on the networking level? > > -Yaron You will want to look into the ip command. I belive there is some stuff for multiple internet connections. It was pretty vauge in the documentation, but some googleing will turn up some things that might be of use. Another possibility is using iptables/chains . On some more advanced routers/switches they have redirection filters, to basicly redirect packets to a different router than what is in the routing table. Not sure if linux has anything like that. Jay -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com/ From florin at iucha.net Tue Oct 29 17:13:04 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question from a Gustavus student In-Reply-To: <3DBEC3D1.7040602@mn.rr.com> References: <3DBEC3D1.7040602@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <20021029225918.GA21110@iucha.net> On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 11:22:25AM -0600, Justin Haaheim wrote: > Hi. I've got a linux question. > > I've got a gateway system (about a year old) running RedHat 8. The > machine has a SoundBlaster Live! Value card in it which has four ports > on the back (Line in, Mic, Speaker output, Aux output). On my gateway > system (and with my digital boston speakers), the drivers/software > allowed me to select the primary speaker output to be digital (and then > I hooked my stereo up to the aux output which remained analog). Now > that I'm running linux, my aux output still works to my stereo, but I > can't figure out how to tell my drivers to give digital output to my > speakers through the main speaker out port. If you guys can give any > help, that would be greatly appreciated. STFW. [1] is the first hit on google for linux sound blaster live digital > > I've actually got a second question. I'm running Win XP and Redhat 8 on > two separate hard drives (this is the same machine) and trying to dual > boot. As it is, i can boot into either by switching which hard drive > the bios goes to in order to boot, but the GRUB booter doesn't work. > The grub booter was configured during install, and the config file is > consistent with information i've read on dual booting. When i go to > select windows to boot, it prints the commands that GRUB runs but then > just sits there. Could it be that, because both os's were installed > with their respective hard drive being the main boot hard drive, that's > why i can't dual boot? Yes. Let's assume your two harddrives are connected like this. If not, change as appropriate: controller0: hdd0 - windows hdd1 - empty controller1: hdd0 - linux hdd1 - empty The solution is: * boot linux * make a backup copy of /etc/fstab cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.good * make a working copy of /etc/fstab cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.new * update the entries in /etc/fstab.new by replacing all /dev/hdaX with /dev/hdcX. If there are no such references you might be lucky, because you are using mount by label. * boot linux with bash as your init program by putting this on the command line: "init=/bin/bash". If you don't know how to do this, send the /boot/grub/menu.lst to the list and I will help you. That file does not contain any sensitive information. * mount the root partition read-write mount -w -o remount / * copy the new fstab cp /etc/fstab.new /etc/fstab * mount the root partition read-only mount -r -o remount / * set the harddrive where you installed Windows as the first harddrive. * install grub on a floppy disk to have as backup * boot windows using floppy * boot linux using floppy * install grub on the harddrive If this did frighten you, come to the next install fest. Cheers, florin 1. http://www.euronet.nl/~mailme/ -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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When i go to > select windows to boot, it prints the commands that GRUB runs but then > just sits there. Could it be that, because both os's were installed > with their respective hard drive being the main boot hard drive, that's > why i can't dual boot? Which harddrive is on ide 1 as master? That will be hd0 to grub, the other will be hd1, etc... What does the grub.conf file look like? -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 396 fax 952-368-3255 From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Tue Oct 29 19:02:45 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Question from a Gustavus student In-Reply-To: <20021029225918.GA21110@iucha.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Florin Iucha wrote: > Yes. pah! I have seen LILO and GRUB choke on some windows installs (2k and XP mostly) here is a simple solution: configure grub to load linux only install XOSL and configure it to load XP and linux(it does this mostly automagically iirc) Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET From mnfan11 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 29 21:12:37 2002 From: mnfan11 at yahoo.com (Elvedin T.) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Athlon MP In-Reply-To: <200210292232.g9TMWpv13611@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20021030022835.68486.qmail@web40202.mail.yahoo.com> Athlons XP and MPs perform well for their price, "more bang for your buck." I don't know too much about the chipset idea, but the main problem I see with the Athlons is the heat problem. If you don't have good heatsinks on the processors, they become quite unstable and if you just had the stock heatsinks, you wont have those processors for long. The stock (aluminum) processors cannot dissipate heat well enough for the Athlons, so if you don't have a good heatsink, you'll become a victim of thermal death. I suggest one of those copper Alpha PAL heatsinks. They are a bit expensive, loud, but they do their job well. Another thing, after the processor gets hotter than 150F, it will become quite unstable and you will see many software problems. There are no issuses with the MP CPUs/chipsets for various OSs, that I know of, so it shouldn't be a problem there. But an Athlon for a "top of the line" system? Thats not quite so. If you want a top of the line system, get a Pentium 4 (Northwood) 2.8GHz core, 533MHz CPU. Those support the 1066MHz RAMBUS, which has quite a bit of I/O, although its slow. Still, I would recommend a Athlon XP system (with a good HSF) over a Pentium 4, just because they are significantly cheaper. > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:27:43 -0600 (CST) > From: Brian > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Athlon MP > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > I'm building an uber-number crunching box for a guy. > He wants the best in > everything, so naturaly I recomended an Athlon MP > machine. he had a few > choice words to say about the dual MPs, and wanted a > single Athlon > instead. He wouldn't tell me WHY, other than "I've > heard things". > > Is Athlon MP a good choice? Are there weird issues > under various > OS's? (this box will be running dual Win2K/Linux). > > -Brian __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From nate-tclug at refried.org Tue Oct 29 22:50:51 2002 From: nate-tclug at refried.org (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Telling squid how to route? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20021029210036.GA27880@refried.org> On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 02:26:30PM -0600, Yaron wrote: > I've got a multihomed network right now, and I want Squid to go out > through the (much faster) cable. However, squid lives on a machine with > other functions that need to go out through the (much more reliable and > static) DSL. Look into Quality of Service network scheduling. You need the QoS kernel options enabled. Nate From jlanpher at stealthnetworking.com Wed Oct 30 08:13:25 2002 From: jlanpher at stealthnetworking.com (Jason Lanpher) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wireless Network Question. Message-ID: <000a01c2801a$6596c580$9297040a@stealth> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 145 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021030/4528d532/attachment.gif From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Oct 30 09:34:29 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Athlon MP In-Reply-To: <20021030022835.68486.qmail@web40202.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200210292232.g9TMWpv13611@sprite.real-time.com> <20021030022835.68486.qmail@web40202.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20021030150323.GK6157@techmonkeys.org> On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 06:28:35PM -0800, Elvedin T. wrote: > Athlons XP and MPs perform well for their price, "more > bang for your buck." I don't know too much about the > chipset idea, but the main problem I see with the > Athlons is the heat problem. If you don't have good > heatsinks on the processors, they become quite > unstable and if you just had the stock heatsinks, you > wont have those processors for long. The stock > (aluminum) processors cannot dissipate heat well > enough for the Athlons, so if you don't have a good > heatsink, you'll become a victim of thermal death. I > suggest one of those copper Alpha PAL heatsinks. They > are a bit expensive, loud, but they do their job well. > Another thing, after the processor gets hotter than > 150F, it will become quite unstable and you will see > many software problems. There are no issuses with the > MP CPUs/chipsets for various OSs, that I know of, so > it shouldn't be a problem there. I still haven't found a 'safe' upper limit for the Athlon XP temperatures, the technical documentation at AMD's site claims 90C = OK 95C = Bye bye CPU, which I would tend to think is a bit wrong =) My system (with AMD's 'retail' cpu fan) sits around 119F with no real load, playing games such as ut2k3, or quake3 bump that up to around 140F (which seems to remain stable -- if it doesn't go higher) I have scraped off the stupid pink 'grease' that used some (suprisingly) good silicone based grease from best buy (I needed it quickly =) > > But an Athlon for a "top of the line" system? Thats > not quite so. If you want a top of the line system, > get a Pentium 4 (Northwood) 2.8GHz core, 533MHz CPU. > Those support the 1066MHz RAMBUS, which has quite a > bit of I/O, although its slow. I would disagree, I recently installed a 2.4ghz/533mhz bus system that a friend had purchased and it really isn't noticable, even with rather intensive projects (using 'neato' to generate 15,000 node maps) Intel figured out that people buy hz, not speed, longer pipelines means they can bump up the hz to insane levels with no real performance increase. Ever compared a PIII to a P4 with a similar mhz rating? The PIII will beat the P4 every time. It's simply not worth the money to purchase a product that's being designed from the ground up to be marketed to the people who purchase for hz rating, instead of performance. Especially considering the P4 2.8Ghz/533mhz is no less than $449, and the Athlon MP 2200 is $209 For the price of a dual processor P4 2.8Ghz system you can get *two* dual processor Athlon MP systems.. do the math. > > Still, I would recommend a Athlon XP system (with a > good HSF) over a Pentium 4, just because they are > significantly cheaper. Exactly. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From blutgens at sistina.com Wed Oct 30 09:47:17 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wireless Network Question. In-Reply-To: <000a01c2801a$6596c580$9297040a@stealth> Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 186 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021030/f1c78bf4/attachment.pgp From rclark at lakesplus.com Wed Oct 30 11:36:16 2002 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Computational Speed - Kernels / CPU Message-ID: <008b01c28036$f4dd5350$0201a8c0@office> Ok ... I have finally finished the simple comparison on different kernels and computational speed. I ran a commercial code that required memory (lots of matrix solutions) and large amounts of CPU times. Recall that I previously posted the times, stating I was disappointed in the speedup from a PIII 700 MHz. The results are listed below. The AMD machine was dedicated to this problem - nothing else was running at the time. PIII 700 MHz (dual CPU - only 1 used for solution) 96,370 secs - Win2000 AMD XP 2100+ (single CPU) 686 kernel (?) 65,039 secs AMD XP 2100+ (single CPU) Athlon kernel 63,411 secs - Linux RH7.2 No real improvement in performance. I must say I am disappointed in the speedup. Based on benchmarks (specfp) I was anticipating better performance - something in the 50,000 range. But of course I have a different motherboard and the type of problem I was solving would only be represented by a portion of the average specfp results. My guess is that for the problem type I work with and the motherboard (ABIT) - I may have been expecting too much. Thoughts / comments welcomed. Randy Clarksean, Ph.D., P.E. Leading Technology Designs, Inc. 106 North Boardman Ave. P.O. Box N New York Mills, MN 56567 "The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy." - Martin Luther King, Jr. ph: 218-385-3750 fax:218-385-3751 email: rclark@lakesplus.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021030/3d6aa284/attachment.htm From ben at workscited.net Wed Oct 30 11:37:24 2002 From: ben at workscited.net (Ben Stallings) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] holiday shopping for Linux newbies Message-ID: <200210301103.33261.ben@workscited.net> If you have someone on your Xmas/Xannuxah/Xwanzaa/Solstice shopping list who is interested in Linux but would need a bit of coaching, this may be the perfect time to head over to MicroCenter in St. Louis Park. There's a book there that covers installation and configuration of four different Linux distributions -- and includes all four of them, plus StarOffice, on two CDs. I gather their special installer program cuts a lot of the redundancy. I tried looking through the book and wasn't able to find an answer to what I think is the obvious question: "Which of these four should I install?" But if you're giving the gift, you can also give a recommendation. :-) How much, you ask? $5. How old is it, you ask? I forget. But it'll get somebody started. I don't recall the title, nor can I find it on the MicroCenter Web site, but it's pretty prominent in the book section of the store. They also have loads of 3-button mice in clearance -- throw one in as a stocking stuffer. Happy holi-- I mean Halloween. --Ben From jack at jacku.com Wed Oct 30 13:08:56 2002 From: jack at jacku.com (jack@jacku.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] holiday shopping for Linux newbies Message-ID: <20021030095055.15992.h002.c015.wm@mail.jacku.com.criticalpath.net> Not to spoil the Holiday spirit but... It sounds like the "Linux Desktop Starter Kit" published by McGraw-Hill. I reviewed that book as suplimental text for the Linux class at DBU in the spring of 2000. At that time the distro's in the book were dated. Today they would certifiably ancient. I've got a copy and I'll bring it with me to the meeting on Saturday (if I make it). That said I was impressed enough with the style to recommend it for the class. I just wish he'd been a little less specific in the install instructions as that's the part of the distros that changes the most from version to version. (or so it seems.) Here's a link to the LinuxCentral order page for that book. If its not the one a MicroCenter I apologize for the intrusion. ;-) http://www.linuxcentral.com/catalog/index.php3?prod_code=B000-137 Jack On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Ben Stallings wrote: > > If you have someone on your > Xmas/Xannuxah/Xwanzaa/Solstice shopping list > who is interested in Linux but would need a bit of > coaching, this may be > the perfect time to head over to MicroCenter in St. > Louis Park. There's a > book there that covers installation and configuration > of four different > Linux distributions -- and includes all four of them, > plus StarOffice, on > two CDs. I gather their special installer program cuts > a lot of the > redundancy. > > I tried looking through the book and wasn't able to > find an answer to what > I think is the obvious question: "Which of these four > should I install?" > But if you're giving the gift, you can also give a > recommendation. :-) > > How much, you ask? $5. How old is it, you ask? I > forget. But it'll get > somebody started. > > I don't recall the title, nor can I find it on the > MicroCenter Web site, > but it's pretty prominent in the book section of the > store. They also > have loads of 3-button mice in clearance -- throw one > in as a stocking > stuffer. > > Happy holi-- I mean Halloween. --Ben > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com From alcyone at slava.net Wed Oct 30 13:44:41 2002 From: alcyone at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BEERMEETING FRIDAY Nov 1 @ Town Hall Message-ID: <20021030191159.GA31509@alkuds.redconcepts.net> What: Beermeeting When: 6-8pm, Friday Nov 1 Where: Town Hall Brewery, 1430 Washington Ave S Why: socialize with other linux geeks and get good food/drinks Who: anyone and everyone willing to socialize with linux geeks! all are welcome regardless of age, gender, distro, or favorite test editor More info: http://beer.tclug.org From clay at fandre.com Wed Oct 30 18:42:34 2002 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (fwd) Xandros announces LUG discount program for Linux desktop software Message-ID: <20021030194311.GA11210@fandre.com> Not sure if anyone is interested in Xandros or not, but if you are... -- Clay -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... 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Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET From esper at sherohman.org Wed Oct 30 19:45:10 2002 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Athlon MP In-Reply-To: References: <3DBED98C.6080904@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <20021030180410.GF10004@sherohman.org> On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 01:43:53PM -0600, jeffr@odeon.net wrote: > I would avoid the Tyan Thunder K7 (the first dual Athlon motherboard) as > it requires a non-standard powersupply. Other than that, I've only heard > good things about dual Athlon systems. It can also be a major PITA to try and get both CPUs running under linux with this board. Avoid at all costs. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Wed Oct 30 20:35:14 2002 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] problems upgrading to Debian 3.0 + inn2 + suck/rpost Message-ID: <20021030185140.GA2520@mail.el-swifto.com> Hey all: Apologies in advance for this rant. I just finished figuring out (and fixing) a problem with Usenet news and the latest Debian woody innd/suck/rpost setup. After hitting the debian.* groups on DejaGoo I was able to find some discussion of the problem: http://groups.google.com/groups?th=8886d4b6c4d9c777 http://groups.google.com/groups?th=7fcf6e446e25b876 but very little discussion of solutions, apart from "use the packaged script". My solution follows closely the "packaged" solution, but I didn't want the cruft that went with it. If there's anyone listening who knows more about this than me, please chime in. Here's the problem. The "newsfeeds" file tells innd what to do with outgoing news. It has lines like: sitename:pattern:flag:param in particular, mine has a line like: news.real-time.com:!junk,!control*,!local*:Tf,Wn: which means roughly, post articles to real-time's news server, using a file feed (Tf) with articles formatted as filenames in the feed (Wn). The heart of the problem is that the meaning of "Wn" is different in innd2.3; newsfeeds(5) now says: {W}n Token of the article The upshot of this change is that where rpost was expecting a filename in its batch file, it is now given a token, and a "file not found" error rears up. Documentation of exactly what a token is is thin, but sm(8) and history(5) give more details. One solution to this is to use rpost's message filtering hook to "filter" the token into a proper news article. The put-news script distributed with suck (in /usr/lib/suck/) uses this method via the -f SCRIPT $$o arguments, e.g.: rpost -f myfilter.sh \$\$o=/tmp/rpost \$\$i /tmp/rpost where myfilter.sh has code like: #!/bin/sh INFILE=$1 OUTFILE=$2 INFILE=`echo ${INFILE} | sed "s,.*/,,"` /usr/lib/news/bin/sm $INFILE > $OUTFILE Note that the sed command is *required* because rpost still adds the article batch path to the token, since it assumes each batch file entry is a file, even though it's now a token. :-P Ordinarily I'm happy with Debian. I suppose that since this is an x.0 release, quirks are expected. This bizarre change in inn2 is pretty bad though. using inn2.3, we need to use sm, which translates inn 2.3's concept of an article token into something which we can use. *sigh*. And the infile isn't really a file, it's a mangled token. Kludge. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Mailing List http://www.mn-linux.org Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota irc.openprojects.net #tclug From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Oct 30 20:51:29 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Computational Speed - Kernels / CPU In-Reply-To: <008b01c28036$f4dd5350$0201a8c0@office> References: <008b01c28036$f4dd5350$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: <20021030211818.GO6157@techmonkeys.org> On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 11:08:17AM -0600, Randy Clarksean wrote: > Ok ... I have finally finished the simple comparison on different kernels and computational speed. > > PIII 700 MHz (dual CPU - only 1 used for solution) 96,370 secs > - Win2000 > > AMD XP 2100+ (single CPU) 686 kernel (?) 65,039 secs > AMD XP 2100+ (single CPU) Athlon kernel 63,411 secs > - Linux RH7.2 > > Thoughts / comments welcomed. Are you willing to post the code, or binaries used for these particular numbers? I can test on the various systems I have access to for a better overall view. > > Randy Clarksean, Ph.D., P.E. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From alcyone at slava.net Wed Oct 30 20:58:04 2002 From: alcyone at slava.net (Lorry) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] BEERMEETING FRIDAY Nov 1 @ Town Hall Message-ID: <20021030191159.GA31509@alkuds.redconcepts.net> What: Beermeeting When: 6-8pm, Friday Nov 1 Where: Town Hall Brewery, 1430 Washington Ave S Why: socialize with other linux geeks and get good food/drinks Who: anyone and everyone willing to socialize with linux geeks! all are welcome regardless of age, gender, distro, or favorite test editor More info: http://beer.tclug.org _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Oct 30 20:58:25 2002 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Re: [TCLUG] BEERMEETING FRIDAY Nov 1 @ Town Hall In-Reply-To: <20021030191159.GA31509@alkuds.redconcepts.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Lorry wrote: > welcome regardless of age, gender, distro, or favorite test editor so.... what is a test editor? Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce From tanner at real-time.com Wed Oct 30 21:01:29 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Computational Speed - Kernels / CPU In-Reply-To: <20021030211818.GO6157@techmonkeys.org> References: <008b01c28036$f4dd5350$0201a8c0@office> <20021030211818.GO6157@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <200210302055.01962.tanner@real-time.com> On Wednesday 30 October 2002 03:18 pm, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 11:08:17AM -0600, Randy Clarksean wrote: > > Ok ... I have finally finished the simple comparison on different kernels > > and computational speed. > > > > PIII 700 MHz (dual CPU - only 1 used for solution) 96,370 secs > > - Win2000 > > > > AMD XP 2100+ (single CPU) 686 kernel (?) 65,039 secs > > AMD XP 2100+ (single CPU) Athlon kernel 63,411 secs > > - Linux RH7.2 > > > > Thoughts / comments welcomed. > > Are you willing to post the code, or binaries used for these particular > numbers? I can test on the various systems I have access to for a better > overall view. I also have a large range of systems to test on. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From amy at real-time.com Wed Oct 30 21:28:40 2002 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mailman & virtual hosting Message-ID: <20021030164240.H3913@real-time.com> Has anyone setup mailman to serve mailing lists to multiple virtual domains? Here's an example of what I'm trying to do: Virtual Hosts: public.domain.com - contains public mailing lists private.domain.com - contains private mailing lists I setup 2 virtual hosts in httpd.conf and I configured host_name and web_page_url on each mailing list to match the appropriate virtual host. Going to http://public.domain.com/mailman/listinfo correctly shows only the public mailing lists. Going to http://private.domain.com/mailman/listinfo correctly shows only the private mailing lists. However, for either virtual host, you can tag the name of any mailing list on the end to get to the information about that mailing list. So, in other words, it's security by obscurity. Even though passwords are required for the private mailing lists, a subscribe could use a weak password making the mailing lists vulnerable. I thought the web_page_url variable would make the mailing lists only work using that virtual address but that appears to not be the case. I also tried making a copy of the /var/mailman/cgi-bin files and using the Deny/Allow directives to protect them on private.domain.com but that doesn't seem to make any difference since public.domain.com can use its own cgi-bin files to view the mailing lists under private.domain.com. I searched the mailman mailing list archives and found a few others with similar questions, but no answers. I'm wondering if mailman is just not meant to do this. But I would think ISPs would have a need for this sort of thing. Any help is appreciated. Thanks. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 481 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021030/042d01aa/attachment.pgp From follower at usfamily.net Wed Oct 30 21:37:08 2002 From: follower at usfamily.net (Fredrick Edward Fleming) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Adobe Message-ID: <3DC06A42.9F612E5D@usfamily.net> I downloaded Adobe Acrobat which is a tar file. I need to undo it and set it up on here and I do not remember the commands to do it. *smile* Your Stroke victum Linux user. Also my computer says it only see 65 meg og ram, but I have 130 megs. How do I change it? -- WOW will you look at this, a NEWBIE using PINE!!!! ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021030/69393eac/attachment.html From waynej at dccmn.com Wed Oct 30 22:13:40 2002 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] What device does what on st0 with a Tecmar Travan-NS20? Message-ID: <000001c28075$ab0ed480$0f0101c0@dccmn.com> I just bought a Tecmar Travan NS20 IDE tape drive. Took me a while to figure out that I should use the IDE-SCSI shim to get it to work. One question. There are 4 modes for the driver, tied to device names /dev/st0, /dev/st0l, /dev/st0m, and /dev/st0a. Anyone know what the different modes are? I would guess that one is with compression on. Anyone know which does what? I've started running typetype, but if the research I found is true, it'll take 5 hours for each device type. Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021030/017095f8/attachment.htm From drue at cs.und.edu Wed Oct 30 22:29:09 2002 From: drue at cs.und.edu (Dan Rue) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Adobe In-Reply-To: <3DC06A42.9F612E5D@usfamily.net>; from follower@usfamily.net on Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 05:24:50PM -0600 References: <3DC06A42.9F612E5D@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <20021030214953.A9863@cs.und.edu> On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 05:24:50PM -0600, Fredrick Edward Fleming wrote: > I downloaded Adobe Acrobat which is a tar file. I need to undo it and > set it up on here and I do not remember the commands to do it. *smile* > Your Stroke victum Linux user. tar xvf filename.tar or, if it's also a zip file tar xvzf filename.tar.gz > > Also my computer says it only see 65 meg og ram, but I have 130 megs. > How do I change it? Is the memory correctly counted by BIOS, when your computer is first turned on? > > -- > WOW will you look at this, a NEWBIE using PINE!!!! Funny, your header indicated that you're using Mozilla. Either way, it's cool, man. dan > > > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ From tanner at real-time.com Wed Oct 30 22:30:54 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MySQL failure, with segfault. Message-ID: <20021030215724.D31320@real-time.com> Installed MySQL on a new box, Redhat 7.3, on connecting to the database, I show this in the logs on the server: Number of processes running now: 1 mysqld process hanging, pid 1326 - killed 021030 21:48:25 mysqld restarted /usr/libexec/mysqld: ready for connections This is what I get on the client: # telnet mysql 3306 Trying mysql... Connected to mysql. Escape character is '^]'. Connection closed by foreign host. Running on the command line: # /usr/bin/safe_mysqld --defaults-file=/etc/my.cnf Starting mysqld daemon with databases from /var/lib/mysql /usr/bin/safe_mysqld: line 273: 1434 Segmentation fault $NOHUP_NICENESS $ledir/$MYSQLD $defaults --basedir=$MY_BASEDIR_VERSION --datadir=$DATADIR $USER_OPTION --pid-file=$pid_file --skip-locking >>$err_log 2>&1 Weird part: # telnet localhost 3306 Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to localhost. Escape character is '^]'. ( 3.23.52D~n.7i.G,Connection closed by foreign host. # mysql -p Enter password: Welcome to the MySQL monitor. Commands end with ; or \g. Your MySQL connection id is 2 to server version: 3.23.52 Type 'help;' or '\h' for help. Type '\c' to clear the buffer. Works on the localhost! Durning the build, I did a make test and all tests passed. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From phil at rephil.org Wed Oct 30 22:35:07 2002 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Computational Speed - Kernels / CPU In-Reply-To: <200210310342.g9V3gMD04378@sprite.real-time.com> References: <200210310342.g9V3gMD04378@sprite.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20021031040752.03BD073D24@maynard.rephil.org> tclug-list-request@mn-linux.org writes: > Ok ... I have finally finished the simple comparison on different = > kernels and computational speed. > > I ran a commercial code that required memory (lots of matrix solutions) = > and large amounts of CPU times. Recall that I previously posted the = > times, stating I was disappointed in the speedup from a PIII 700 MHz. = > The results are listed below. The AMD machine was dedicated to this = > problem - nothing else was running at the time. > > PIII 700 MHz (dual CPU - only 1 used for solution) 96,370 secs > - Win2000 > > AMD XP 2100+ (single CPU) 686 kernel (?) 65,039 secs > AMD XP 2100+ (single CPU) Athlon kernel 63,411 secs > - Linux RH7.2 > > No real improvement in performance. I must say I am disappointed in the = > speedup. Um, if you're crunching numbers, the kernel shouldn't be interacting very much. Where kernel comes in is if you're losing speed to time-sharing, process swap overhead, paging, or maybe I/O. Seems to me you wouldn't be hitting any of those things, so I guess I'm surprised you're seeing as *much* as you did. (Without knowing what your algorithm or data set is... nothing better than being unencumbered by facts!) -- "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." -- Anonymous From pt-becker at attbi.com Thu Oct 31 00:03:16 2002 From: pt-becker at attbi.com (pt becker) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sound question Message-ID: <3DC0B4F5.6010509@attbi.com> Hi there- I have been fighting this sound problem to frustration and need some help. I have sound when playing CD's, but no sound when playing mp3s or wavs. How do I set up sound do its fully functional? Thanks much - pt Hoping the following might give needed information SUSE 8.0 AC97 Audio controller (only reference to a sound card I can find) Part of system log, sorry if its information overload. Oct 30 22:13:42 linux insmod: insmod: a module named sg already exists Oct 30 22:13:42 linux insmod: insmod: insmod char-major-21 failed Oct 30 22:13:42 linux insmod: insmod: a module named sg already exists Oct 30 22:13:42 linux insmod: insmod: insmod char-major-21 failed Oct 30 22:13:47 linux sshd[664]: Server listening on :: port 22. Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: klogd 1.4.1, log source = /proc/kmsg started. Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: Inspecting /boot/System.map-2.4.18-4GB Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: Loaded 12771 symbols from /boot/System.map-2.4.18-4GB. Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: Symbols match kernel version 2.4.18. Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: Loaded 493 symbols from 16 modules. Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: 8139too Fast Ethernet driver 0.9.24 Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: eth0: RealTek RTL8139 Fast Ethernet at 0xd4a90000, 00:50:ba:88:a4:97, IRQ 5 Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: eth0: Identified 8139 chip type 'RTL-8139B' Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: eth0: Setting 100mbps full-duplex based on auto-negotiated partner ability 41e1. Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: usb.c: registered new driver usbdevfs Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: usb.c: registered new driver hub Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: usb-uhci.c: $Revision: 1.275 $ time 14:22:01 Mar 27 2002 Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: usb-uhci.c: High bandwidth mode enabled Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: usb-uhci.c: USB UHCI at I/O 0xdc00, IRQ 5 Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: usb-uhci.c: Detected 2 ports Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1 Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: hub.c: USB hub found Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: hub.c: 2 ports detected Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: usb-uhci.c: USB UHCI at I/O 0xe000, IRQ 5 Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: usb-uhci.c: Detected 2 ports Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 2 Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: hub.c: USB hub found Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: hub.c: 2 ports detected Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: usb-uhci.c: v1.275:USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: VFS: Disk change detected on device sr(11,0) Oct 30 22:13:47 linux last message repeated 7 times Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: isapnp: Scanning for PnP cards... Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: isapnp: No Plug & Play device found Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: IPv6 v0.8 for NET4.0 Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling driver Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: PCI: Setting latency timer of device 00:11.5 to 64 Oct 30 22:13:48 linux /usr/sbin/cron[769]: (CRON) STARTUP (fork ok) Oct 30 22:13:55 linux /etc/hotplug/net.agent[684]: No HW description found ... exiting Oct 30 22:13:56 linux kernel: parport0: PC-style at 0x378 (0x778) [PCSPP,TRISTATE,EPP] Oct 30 22:13:56 linux kernel: parport0: irq 7 detected Oct 30 22:13:56 linux kernel: parport0: Printer, Hewlett-Packard OfficeJet Series 500 Oct 30 22:13:56 linux kernel: lp0: using parport0 (polling). Oct 30 22:13:56 linux kernel: lp0: compatibility mode Oct 30 22:13:56 linux kernel: nvidia: loading NVIDIA Linux x86 NVdriver Kernel Module 1.0-3123 Tue Aug 27 15:56:48 PDT 2002 Oct 30 22:13:56 linux kernel: Linux agpgart interface v0.99 (c) Jeff Hartmann Oct 30 22:13:56 linux kernel: agpgart: Maximum main memory to use for agp memory: 203M Oct 30 22:13:56 linux kernel: agpgart: Detected Via Apollo Pro KT266 chipset Oct 30 22:13:56 linux kernel: agpgart: AGP aperture is 64M @ 0xd0000000 Oct 30 22:13:56 linux kernel: NVRM: AGPGART: VIA Apollo KT133 chipset Oct 30 22:13:56 linux kernel: NVRM: AGPGART: aperture: 64M @ 0xd0000000 Oct 30 22:13:56 linux kernel: NVRM: AGPGART: aperture mapped from 0xd0000000 to 0xd483c000 Oct 30 22:13:56 linux kernel: NVRM: AGPGART: mode 4x Oct 30 22:13:56 linux kernel: NVRM: AGPGART: allocated 16 pages Oct 30 22:13:56 linux kernel: ALSA ../alsa-kernel/core/pcm_lib.c:1723: BUG? (substream != ((void *)0)) (called from c33ea4a5) Oct 30 22:13:57 linux last message repeated 29 times Oct 30 22:13:57 linux kernel: eth0: no IPv6 routers present Oct 30 22:13:57 linux kernel: ALSA ../alsa-kernel/core/pcm_lib.c:1723: BUG? (substream != ((void *)0)) (called from c33ea4a5) From austad at signal15.com Thu Oct 31 00:58:10 2002 From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Computational Speed - Kernels / CPU In-Reply-To: <20021031040752.03BD073D24@maynard.rephil.org> Message-ID: Do you have memory interleave turned on in the BIOS? I don't know how much this app is moving stuff in and out of memory, but there's a good chance that if this is currently off, it would degrade performance. It was not turned on by default on my Soyo Dragon+. Jay On Wednesday, October 30, 2002, at 10:07 PM, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > tclug-list-request@mn-linux.org writes: >> Ok ... I have finally finished the simple comparison on different = >> kernels and computational speed. I ran a commercial code that >> required memory (lots of matrix solutions) = >> and large amounts of CPU times. Recall that I previously posted the = >> times, stating I was disappointed in the speedup from a PIII 700 MHz. >> = >> The results are listed below. The AMD machine was dedicated to this = >> problem - nothing else was running at the time. PIII 700 MHz (dual >> CPU - only 1 used for solution) 96,370 secs >> - Win2000 AMD XP 2100+ (single CPU) 686 kernel (?) >> 65,039 secs >> AMD XP 2100+ (single CPU) Athlon kernel 63,411 secs >> - Linux RH7.2 No real improvement in performance. I must say I am >> disappointed in the = >> speedup. > > Um, if you're crunching numbers, the kernel shouldn't be interacting > very much. Where kernel comes in is if you're losing speed to > time-sharing, process swap overhead, paging, or maybe I/O. Seems to > me you wouldn't be hitting any of those things, so I guess I'm > surprised you're seeing as *much* as you did. (Without knowing what > your algorithm or data set is... nothing better than being > unencumbered by facts!) > -- > "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." -- Anonymous > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From veldy at veldy.net Thu Oct 31 08:35:51 2002 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mailman & virtual hosting References: <20021030164240.H3913@real-time.com> Message-ID: <001b01c280e6$ca5581b0$e40f460a@VELDYT> Mailman is smart enough to figure it out from the URL. You don't have to do anything. Just set the default host name in each of the mailing lists and you should do alright -- as long as your link the aliases in apache from the virtual host configuration. Tom Veldhouse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Tanner" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 4:42 PM Subject: [TCLUG] mailman & virtual hosting Has anyone setup mailman to serve mailing lists to multiple virtual domains? Here's an example of what I'm trying to do: Virtual Hosts: public.domain.com - contains public mailing lists private.domain.com - contains private mailing lists I setup 2 virtual hosts in httpd.conf and I configured host_name and web_page_url on each mailing list to match the appropriate virtual host. Going to http://public.domain.com/mailman/listinfo correctly shows only the public mailing lists. Going to http://private.domain.com/mailman/listinfo correctly shows only the private mailing lists. However, for either virtual host, you can tag the name of any mailing list on the end to get to the information about that mailing list. So, in other words, it's security by obscurity. Even though passwords are required for the private mailing lists, a subscribe could use a weak password making the mailing lists vulnerable. I thought the web_page_url variable would make the mailing lists only work using that virtual address but that appears to not be the case. I also tried making a copy of the /var/mailman/cgi-bin files and using the Deny/Allow directives to protect them on private.domain.com but that doesn't seem to make any difference since public.domain.com can use its own cgi-bin files to view the mailing lists under private.domain.com. I searched the mailman mailing list archives and found a few others with similar questions, but no answers. I'm wondering if mailman is just not meant to do this. But I would think ISPs would have a need for this sort of thing. Any help is appreciated. Thanks. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From veldy at veldy.net Thu Oct 31 08:36:42 2002 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MySQL failure, with segfault. References: <20021030215724.D31320@real-time.com> Message-ID: <002201c280e6$f6305030$e40f460a@VELDYT> Any chance that you over optimized the build? Tom Veldhouse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Tanner" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 9:57 PM Subject: [TCLUG] MySQL failure, with segfault. > Installed MySQL on a new box, Redhat 7.3, on connecting to the database, I show > this in the logs on the server: > > Number of processes running now: 1 > mysqld process hanging, pid 1326 - killed > 021030 21:48:25 mysqld restarted > /usr/libexec/mysqld: ready for connections > > This is what I get on the client: > > # telnet mysql 3306 > Trying mysql... > Connected to mysql. > Escape character is '^]'. > Connection closed by foreign host. > > Running on the command line: > > # /usr/bin/safe_mysqld --defaults-file=/etc/my.cnf > Starting mysqld daemon with databases from /var/lib/mysql > /usr/bin/safe_mysqld: line 273: 1434 Segmentation fault $NOHUP_NICENESS > $ledir/$MYSQLD $defaults --basedir=$MY_BASEDIR_VERSION --datadir=$DATADIR > $USER_OPTION --pid-file=$pid_file --skip-locking >>$err_log 2>&1 > > Weird part: > > # telnet localhost 3306 > Trying 127.0.0.1... > Connected to localhost. > Escape character is '^]'. > ( > 3.23.52D~n.7i.G,Connection closed by foreign host. > > # mysql -p > Enter password: > Welcome to the MySQL monitor. Commands end with ; or \g. > Your MySQL connection id is 2 to server version: 3.23.52 > > Type 'help;' or '\h' for help. Type '\c' to clear the buffer. > > > > Works on the localhost! > > Durning the build, I did a make test and all tests passed. > > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. > Fingerprint: 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From nate at refried.org Thu Oct 31 09:21:02 2002 From: nate at refried.org (Nate Straz) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux based guide to TiVo hacking? Message-ID: <20021031145530.GA6753@refried.org> I finally decided to start hacking on my TiVo. In looking around for information I'm dissappointed at the upgrade howtos and tools I've found so far. They are all geared to Windows users without any experience. They just don't give me the confidence that the authors really understand what's going on inside the TiVo. Does anyone know of a good guide to hacking and upgrading TiVos for the experienced Linux user? Is there source code to any of the upgrade tools? Are there any words of advice that local TiVo hackers can share? Thanks, Nate From erik at andersonfam.org Thu Oct 31 09:24:12 2002 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik V. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat rsync mirror? Message-ID: <3DC1431D.406@andersonfam.org> I've been looking all over redhat's page as well as google and can't find an answer to this question...how would one go about mirroring the redhat/en/i386 distribution? Here at work, we are starting to use redhat more and more and I would love to be able to have a local repository to do the installs from rather than doing everything from cds. Thanks! -Erik Anderson From natecars at real-time.com Thu Oct 31 09:55:57 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mailman & virtual hosting In-Reply-To: <20021030164240.H3913@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Amy Tanner wrote: > Has anyone setup mailman to serve mailing lists to multiple virtual > domains? Here's an example of what I'm trying to do: *snip* > However, for either virtual host, you can tag the name of any mailing > list on the end to get to the information about that mailing list. > So, in other words, it's security by obscurity. Even though passwords > are required for the private mailing lists, a subscribe could use a > weak password making the mailing lists vulnerable. I thought the > web_page_url variable would make the mailing lists only work using > that virtual address but that appears to not be the case. I believe you have to do separate copies of Mailman in separate directories to get this to work the way you want. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From joeltclug at litriusgroup.com Thu Oct 31 10:03:18 2002 From: joeltclug at litriusgroup.com (Jwickard) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MySQL failure, with segfault. In-Reply-To: <002201c280e6$f6305030$e40f460a@VELDYT> References: <20021030215724.D31320@real-time.com> <002201c280e6$f6305030$e40f460a@VELDYT> Message-ID: <1036076860.3dc1473c9d2c3@mail.litriusgroup.com> I began encountering this problem right when I installed RH8, but have since had the problem with RH7.3 when I updated new packages. If you add the host that you are trying to connect to the database from, to the /etc/hosts file of the machine that is running the database, the error should stop. I posted a few threads in some linux and mysql groups and I'm not sure if the issue ever got a conctete resolution. If I remember correctly, the issue spawns from the host running the database not bieng able to properly resolve the hosts that are trying to connect to it. Someone said that the reason this was happening was because one of the redhat RPMS was altering /etc/nsswitch.conf and fouling something else. Those things are a little "fuzzy" for me so I'm not sure if that helps you, or possible someone else to formulate a concrete reason for this error. Hope I helped a little though. ------------------------------------------------- From chewbaka at toughguy.net Thu Oct 31 10:11:32 2002 From: chewbaka at toughguy.net (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NFS or Samba?? Message-ID: <9187076758.20021031090233@toughguy.net> Thursday, October 31, 2002 @ 9:01:47 AM Central Standard Time Hello group. I convinced my boss on switching some 2K Server boxes we use for file sharing & other things over to Slackware. Most of the machines in the office that will be accessing the Slackware boxes will be 2K Pro, or NT workstation. I was wondering what the general opinion is out their regarding winblows boxes accessing Linux file servers. Is it better to fire up NFS on the Slack boxes, and configure the winblows boxes to use NFS or Should I fire up Samba on the Slack Boxes instead of NFS?? Any comments are greatly appreciated. Many Thanks & Rock'N'Roll, Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars mailto:chewbaka@toughguy.net From drue at cs.und.edu Thu Oct 31 10:42:13 2002 From: drue at cs.und.edu (Dan Rue) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NFS or Samba?? In-Reply-To: <9187076758.20021031090233@toughguy.net>; from chewbaka@toughguy.net on Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 09:02:33AM -0600 References: <9187076758.20021031090233@toughguy.net> Message-ID: <20021031102121.C8800@cs.und.edu> I vote for samba! Why Slackware? isn't it sort of, ahh, dead? All the Slackware people went to Debian years ago :) dan I've been wrong before On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 09:02:33AM -0600, B_o_B wrote: > Thursday, October 31, 2002 @ 9:01:47 AM Central Standard Time > > Hello group. I convinced my boss on switching some 2K Server boxes we use > for file sharing & other things over to Slackware. Most of the machines in > the office that will be accessing the Slackware boxes will be 2K Pro, or NT > workstation. I was wondering what the general opinion is out their > regarding winblows boxes accessing Linux file servers. > > Is it better to fire up NFS on the Slack boxes, and configure the winblows > boxes to use NFS > or > Should I fire up Samba on the Slack Boxes instead of NFS?? > > Any comments are greatly appreciated. > > Many Thanks & Rock'N'Roll, > > Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars > mailto:chewbaka@toughguy.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Oct 31 10:54:20 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MySQL failure, with segfault. In-Reply-To: <1036076860.3dc1473c9d2c3@mail.litriusgroup.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, Jwickard wrote: > I began encountering this problem right when I installed RH8, but have > since had the problem with RH7.3 when I updated new packages. If you > add the host that you are trying to connect to the database from, to > the /etc/hosts file of the machine that is running the database, the > error should stop. I posted a few threads in some linux and mysql > groups and I'm not sure if the issue ever got a conctete resolution. > If I remember correctly, the issue spawns from the host running the > database not bieng able to properly resolve the hosts that are trying > to connect to it. Someone said that the reason this was happening was > because one of the redhat RPMS was altering /etc/nsswitch.conf and > fouling something else. Those things are a little "fuzzy" for me so > I'm not sure if that helps you, or possible someone else to formulate > a concrete reason for this error. RedHat 8.0 ships with glibc 2.2.93 (which is a pre-3.0 version). The box in question on our end (7.3 machine) had been updated to this version of glibc. From veldy at veldy.net Thu Oct 31 10:56:22 2002 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NFS or Samba?? References: <9187076758.20021031090233@toughguy.net> Message-ID: <001701c280fa$f7bf6490$eb0f460a@pro.tl.thomcorp.net> Samba. It is seemless as far as Windows is concerned. It can be problematic to set up permissions (docs are very good), but open shares a very easy. Tom Veldhouse ----- Original Message ----- From: "B_o_B" To: Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 9:02 AM Subject: [TCLUG] NFS or Samba?? > Thursday, October 31, 2002 @ 9:01:47 AM Central Standard Time > > Hello group. I convinced my boss on switching some 2K Server boxes we use > for file sharing & other things over to Slackware. Most of the machines in > the office that will be accessing the Slackware boxes will be 2K Pro, or NT > workstation. I was wondering what the general opinion is out their > regarding winblows boxes accessing Linux file servers. > > Is it better to fire up NFS on the Slack boxes, and configure the winblows > boxes to use NFS > or > Should I fire up Samba on the Slack Boxes instead of NFS?? > > Any comments are greatly appreciated. > > Many Thanks & Rock'N'Roll, > > Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars > mailto:chewbaka@toughguy.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From florin at iucha.net Thu Oct 31 13:18:25 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NFS or Samba?? In-Reply-To: <9187076758.20021031090233@toughguy.net> References: <9187076758.20021031090233@toughguy.net> Message-ID: <20021031164427.GA1899@iucha.net> On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 09:02:33AM -0600, B_o_B wrote: > Thursday, October 31, 2002 @ 9:01:47 AM Central Standard Time > > Hello group. I convinced my boss on switching some 2K Server boxes we use > for file sharing & other things over to Slackware. Most of the machines in > the office that will be accessing the Slackware boxes will be 2K Pro, or NT > workstation. I was wondering what the general opinion is out their > regarding winblows boxes accessing Linux file servers. > > Is it better to fire up NFS on the Slack boxes, and configure the winblows > boxes to use NFS > or > Should I fire up Samba on the Slack Boxes instead of NFS?? Samba would be cheaper beacause you will need to purchase NFS clients for Windows. Cheers, florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021031/7259ff23/attachment.pgp From blutgens at sistina.com Thu Oct 31 14:09:59 2002 From: blutgens at sistina.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NFS or Samba?? In-Reply-To: <9187076758.20021031090233@toughguy.net> Message-ID: <671F7136-ED04-11D6-A48A-000393B93C2A@sistina.com> On Thursday, Oct 31, 2002, at 09:02 US/Central, B_o_B wrote: > Thursday, October 31, 2002 @ 9:01:47 AM Central Standard Time > > Hello group. I convinced my boss on switching some 2K Server boxes we > use > for file sharing & other things over to Slackware. Most of the > machines in > the office that will be accessing the Slackware boxes will be 2K Pro, > or NT > workstation. I was wondering what the general opinion is out their > regarding winblows boxes accessing Linux file servers. > > Is it better to fire up NFS on the Slack boxes, and configure the > winblows > boxes to use NFS > or > Should I fire up Samba on the Slack Boxes instead of NFS?? Samba. Why add more software to the windows machines when you can use a protocol already supported by (In fact written for) doze. > Any comments are greatly appreciated. > > Many Thanks & Rock'N'Roll, > > Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars > mailto:chewbaka@toughguy.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Ben Lutgens System Administrator Sistina Software Inc http://www.sistina.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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There's no other logical choice for this than samba. > > Tom Veldhouse > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "B_o_B" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 9:02 AM > Subject: [TCLUG] NFS or Samba?? > > >> Thursday, October 31, 2002 @ 9:01:47 AM Central Standard Time >> >> Hello group. I convinced my boss on switching some 2K Server boxes >> we use >> for file sharing & other things over to Slackware. Most of the >> machines > in >> the office that will be accessing the Slackware boxes will be 2K Pro, >> or > NT >> workstation. I was wondering what the general opinion is out their >> regarding winblows boxes accessing Linux file servers. >> >> Is it better to fire up NFS on the Slack boxes, and configure the >> winblows >> boxes to use NFS >> or >> Should I fire up Samba on the Slack Boxes instead of NFS?? >> >> Any comments are greatly appreciated. >> >> Many Thanks & Rock'N'Roll, >> >> Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars >> mailto:chewbaka@toughguy.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Ben Lutgens System Administrator Sistina Software Inc http://www.sistina.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Looks like you've got a misconfiguration or bug in ALSA drivers. Let us know what the following says: lspci cat /etc/modules.conf lsmod You can google for AC97, SUSE, ALSA, (substream != ((void *)0)) to dig deeper. On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 10:43:33PM -0600, pt becker wrote: > Hi there- > I have been fighting this sound problem to frustration and need some > help. I have sound when playing CD's, but no sound when playing mp3s or > wavs. How do I set up sound do its fully functional? > Thanks much - pt > > Hoping the following might give needed information > > SUSE 8.0 > AC97 Audio controller (only reference to a sound card I can find) > > Part of system log, sorry if its information overload. > > Oct 30 22:13:42 linux insmod: insmod: a module named sg already exists > Oct 30 22:13:42 linux insmod: insmod: insmod char-major-21 failed > Oct 30 22:13:42 linux insmod: insmod: a module named sg already exists > Oct 30 22:13:42 linux insmod: insmod: insmod char-major-21 failed > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux sshd[664]: Server listening on :: port 22. > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: klogd 1.4.1, log source = /proc/kmsg started. > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: Inspecting /boot/System.map-2.4.18-4GB > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: Loaded 12771 symbols from > /boot/System.map-2.4.18-4GB. > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: Symbols match kernel version 2.4.18. > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: Loaded 493 symbols from 16 modules. > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: 8139too Fast Ethernet driver 0.9.24 > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: eth0: RealTek RTL8139 Fast Ethernet at > 0xd4a90000, 00:50:ba:88:a4:97, IRQ 5 > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: eth0: Identified 8139 chip type 'RTL-8139B' > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: eth0: Setting 100mbps full-duplex based on > auto-negotiated partner ability 41e1. > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: usb.c: registered new driver usbdevfs > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: usb.c: registered new driver hub > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: usb-uhci.c: $Revision: 1.275 $ time > 14:22:01 Mar 27 2002 > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: usb-uhci.c: High bandwidth mode enabled > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: usb-uhci.c: USB UHCI at I/O 0xdc00, IRQ 5 > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: usb-uhci.c: Detected 2 ports > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned > bus number 1 > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: hub.c: USB hub found > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: hub.c: 2 ports detected > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: usb-uhci.c: USB UHCI at I/O 0xe000, IRQ 5 > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: usb-uhci.c: Detected 2 ports > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned > bus number 2 > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: hub.c: USB hub found > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: hub.c: 2 ports detected > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: usb-uhci.c: v1.275:USB Universal Host > Controller Interface driver > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: VFS: Disk change detected on device sr(11,0) > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux last message repeated 7 times > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: isapnp: Scanning for PnP cards... > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: isapnp: No Plug & Play device found > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: IPv6 v0.8 for NET4.0 > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling driver > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: PCI: Setting latency timer of device > 00:11.5 to 64 > Oct 30 22:13:48 linux /usr/sbin/cron[769]: (CRON) STARTUP (fork ok) > Oct 30 22:13:55 linux /etc/hotplug/net.agent[684]: No HW description > found ... exiting > Oct 30 22:13:56 linux kernel: parport0: PC-style at 0x378 (0x778) > [PCSPP,TRISTATE,EPP] > Oct 30 22:13:56 linux kernel: parport0: irq 7 detected > Oct 30 22:13:56 linux kernel: parport0: Printer, Hewlett-Packard > OfficeJet Series 500 > Oct 30 22:13:56 linux kernel: lp0: using parport0 (polling). > Oct 30 22:13:56 linux kernel: lp0: compatibility mode > Oct 30 22:13:56 linux kernel: nvidia: loading NVIDIA Linux x86 NVdriver > Kernel Module 1.0-3123 Tue Aug 27 15:56:48 PDT 2002 > Oct 30 22:13:56 linux kernel: Linux agpgart interface v0.99 (c) Jeff > Hartmann > Oct 30 22:13:56 linux kernel: agpgart: Maximum main memory to use for > agp memory: 203M > Oct 30 22:13:56 linux kernel: agpgart: Detected Via Apollo Pro KT266 chipset > Oct 30 22:13:56 linux kernel: agpgart: AGP aperture is 64M @ 0xd0000000 > Oct 30 22:13:56 linux kernel: NVRM: AGPGART: VIA Apollo KT133 chipset > Oct 30 22:13:56 linux kernel: NVRM: AGPGART: aperture: 64M @ 0xd0000000 > Oct 30 22:13:56 linux kernel: NVRM: AGPGART: aperture mapped from > 0xd0000000 to 0xd483c000 > Oct 30 22:13:56 linux kernel: NVRM: AGPGART: mode 4x > Oct 30 22:13:56 linux kernel: NVRM: AGPGART: allocated 16 pages > Oct 30 22:13:56 linux kernel: ALSA ../alsa-kernel/core/pcm_lib.c:1723: > BUG? (substream != ((void *)0)) (called from c33ea4a5) > Oct 30 22:13:57 linux last message repeated 29 times > Oct 30 22:13:57 linux kernel: eth0: no IPv6 routers present > Oct 30 22:13:57 linux kernel: ALSA ../alsa-kernel/core/pcm_lib.c:1723: > BUG? (substream != ((void *)0)) (called from c33ea4a5) > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewbaka at toughguy.net Thu Oct 31 15:06:22 2002 From: chewbaka at toughguy.net (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NFS or Samba?? In-Reply-To: <20021031164427.GA1899@iucha.net> References: <9187076758.20021031090233@toughguy.net> <20021031164427.GA1899@iucha.net> Message-ID: <11116318133.20021031143629@toughguy.net> Thursday, October 31, 2002 @ 2:35:24 PM Central Standard Time Rodger That.....Just checked, all the 2K Pro boxes have a NFS, but the T workstations would need the NFS hook-up....Thanks......Gonna go with Samba Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars mailto:chewbaka@toughguy.net ********************************************************* Thursday, October 31, 2002, 10:44:27 AM, you wrote: FI> On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 09:02:33AM -0600, B_o_B wrote: >> Thursday, October 31, 2002 @ 9:01:47 AM Central Standard Time >> >> Hello group. I convinced my boss on switching some 2K Server boxes we use >> for file sharing & other things over to Slackware. Most of the machines in >> the office that will be accessing the Slackware boxes will be 2K Pro, or NT >> workstation. I was wondering what the general opinion is out their >> regarding winblows boxes accessing Linux file servers. >> >> Is it better to fire up NFS on the Slack boxes, and configure the winblows >> boxes to use NFS >> or >> Should I fire up Samba on the Slack Boxes instead of NFS?? FI> Samba would be cheaper beacause you will need to purchase NFS clients FI> for Windows. FI> Cheers, FI> florin From chewbaka at toughguy.net Thu Oct 31 15:07:02 2002 From: chewbaka at toughguy.net (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NFS or Samba?? In-Reply-To: <671F7136-ED04-11D6-A48A-000393B93C2A@sistina.com> References: <671F7136-ED04-11D6-A48A-000393B93C2A@sistina.com> Message-ID: <9216341888.20021031143652@toughguy.net> Thursday, October 31, 2002 @ 2:36:45 PM Central Standard Time Noted....Thanks...... Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars mailto:chewbaka@toughguy.net ********************************************************* Thursday, October 31, 2002, 1:10:21 PM, you wrote: BL> On Thursday, Oct 31, 2002, at 09:02 US/Central, B_o_B wrote: >> Thursday, October 31, 2002 @ 9:01:47 AM Central Standard Time >> >> Hello group. I convinced my boss on switching some 2K Server boxes we >> use >> for file sharing & other things over to Slackware. Most of the >> machines in >> the office that will be accessing the Slackware boxes will be 2K Pro, >> or NT >> workstation. I was wondering what the general opinion is out their >> regarding winblows boxes accessing Linux file servers. >> >> Is it better to fire up NFS on the Slack boxes, and configure the >> winblows >> boxes to use NFS >> or >> Should I fire up Samba on the Slack Boxes instead of NFS?? BL> Samba. Why add more software to the windows machines when you can use a BL> protocol already supported by (In fact written for) doze. >> Any comments are greatly appreciated. >> >> Many Thanks & Rock'N'Roll, >> >> Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars >> mailto:chewbaka@toughguy.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, >> Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> BL> -- BL> Ben Lutgens BL> System Administrator BL> Sistina Software Inc http://www.sistina.com From chewbaka at toughguy.net Thu Oct 31 15:13:47 2002 From: chewbaka at toughguy.net (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NFS or Samba?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9816381463.20021031143732@toughguy.net> Thursday, October 31, 2002 @ 2:37:20 PM Central Standard Time Cool.....Thanks for the input..... Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars mailto:chewbaka@toughguy.net ********************************************************* Thursday, October 31, 2002, 1:12:15 PM, you wrote: BL> On Thursday, Oct 31, 2002, at 10:31 US/Central, Thomas T. Veldhouse BL> wrote: >> Samba. It is seemless as far as Windows is concerned. It can be >> problematic to set up permissions (docs are very good), but open >> shares a >> very easy. BL> It's as easy to control the perms as NFS is. If not easier. You can BL> force directory and file modes and can limit based on unix group as BL> well as IP. BL> There's no other logical choice for this than samba. >> >> Tom Veldhouse >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "B_o_B" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 9:02 AM >> Subject: [TCLUG] NFS or Samba?? >> >> >>> Thursday, October 31, 2002 @ 9:01:47 AM Central Standard Time >>> >>> Hello group. I convinced my boss on switching some 2K Server boxes >>> we use >>> for file sharing & other things over to Slackware. Most of the >>> machines >> in >>> the office that will be accessing the Slackware boxes will be 2K Pro, >>> or >> NT >>> workstation. I was wondering what the general opinion is out their >>> regarding winblows boxes accessing Linux file servers. >>> >>> Is it better to fire up NFS on the Slack boxes, and configure the >>> winblows >>> boxes to use NFS >>> or >>> Should I fire up Samba on the Slack Boxes instead of NFS?? >>> >>> Any comments are greatly appreciated. >>> >>> Many Thanks & Rock'N'Roll, >>> >>> Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars >>> mailto:chewbaka@toughguy.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, >> Minnesota >>> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, >> Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> BL> -- BL> Ben Lutgens BL> System Administrator BL> Sistina Software Inc http://www.sistina.com From foeclan at visi.com Thu Oct 31 15:26:27 2002 From: foeclan at visi.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NFS or Samba?? In-Reply-To: <20021031102121.C8800@cs.und.edu> Message-ID: *cough* Uhh, no, no we didn't. :) And no, it's not dead. As far as which is better, it'd depend on what the 'other things' you use them for are. Figure out all the things they need to do and compare. If you're going beyond the realm of just file sharing, then you're probably going to want samba. Otherwise, I'd consider NFS the easier choice as far as configuration goes (though there may be nice GUI Samba configuration tools out there, I haven't checked lately). -- Michael Vieths Foeclan@Visi.com On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, Dan Rue wrote: > I vote for samba! > > Why Slackware? isn't it sort of, ahh, dead? > > All the Slackware people went to Debian years ago :) > > dan > I've been wrong before > > On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 09:02:33AM -0600, B_o_B wrote: > > Thursday, October 31, 2002 @ 9:01:47 AM Central Standard Time > > > > Hello group. I convinced my boss on switching some 2K Server boxes we use > > for file sharing & other things over to Slackware. Most of the machines in > > the office that will be accessing the Slackware boxes will be 2K Pro, or NT > > workstation. I was wondering what the general opinion is out their > > regarding winblows boxes accessing Linux file servers. > > > > Is it better to fire up NFS on the Slack boxes, and configure the winblows > > boxes to use NFS > > or > > Should I fire up Samba on the Slack Boxes instead of NFS?? > > > > Any comments are greatly appreciated. > > > > Many Thanks & Rock'N'Roll, > > > > Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars > > mailto:chewbaka@toughguy.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From veldy at veldy.net Thu Oct 31 15:30:55 2002 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mailman & virtual hosting References: Message-ID: <002001c280fb$4a960ed0$eb0f460a@pro.tl.thomcorp.net> I never had any trouble getting a single copy to work. I had to put the entries for mailman in each virtual host in my httpd.conf. I then had to set up each list with a preferred host (domain1.com or domain2.com) and it only showed the lists for the given domain I had accessed for (i.e. www.domain1.com/mailman/listinfo only showed lists configured for domain1.com). Tom Veldhouse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nate Carlson" To: Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] mailman & virtual hosting > On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Amy Tanner wrote: > > Has anyone setup mailman to serve mailing lists to multiple virtual > > domains? Here's an example of what I'm trying to do: > > *snip* > > > However, for either virtual host, you can tag the name of any mailing > > list on the end to get to the information about that mailing list. > > So, in other words, it's security by obscurity. Even though passwords > > are required for the private mailing lists, a subscribe could use a > > weak password making the mailing lists vulnerable. I thought the > > web_page_url variable would make the mailing lists only work using > > that virtual address but that appears to not be the case. > > I believe you have to do separate copies of Mailman in separate > directories to get this to work the way you want. > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jlanpher at stealthnetworking.com Thu Oct 31 15:34:42 2002 From: jlanpher at stealthnetworking.com (Jason Lanpher) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux based guide to TiVo hacking? In-Reply-To: <20021031145530.GA6753@refried.org> Message-ID: <000e01c280fe$cd5c9340$9297040a@stealth> Finally an answer that I know. When I was looking for doc's on this same topic I checed out this site: http://www.9thtee.com/tivoupgrades.htm This site has allot of infor on obtaining parts for your TV. But it also has links to website with info about hacking your Tivo. This site was also a good resource as well http://hellcat.tyger.org/MFS/2.0/howto.html Jason Lanpher jlanpher@stealthnetworking.com http://www.stealthnetworking.com Remember there are only 10 types of people in this world. Those who understand Binary and those who don't. From chewbaka at toughguy.net Thu Oct 31 15:35:32 2002 From: chewbaka at toughguy.net (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NFS or Samba?? In-Reply-To: <20021031102121.C8800@cs.und.edu> References: <9187076758.20021031090233@toughguy.net> <20021031102121.C8800@cs.und.edu> Message-ID: <33269109.20021031105902@toughguy.net> Thursday, October 31, 2002 @ 10:54:49 AM Central Standard Time Thanks for the Samba Advice. I wouldn't say Slackware is dead @ all. Only the pussies out their switched to Debian. Slackware still rules in my book. I have tried many other distro's, and continue to check them when they are released, but I Still perfer the Slack. Many Thanks & Rock'N'Roll, Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars mailto:chewbaka@toughguy.net ********************************************************* Thursday, October 31, 2002, 10:21:21 AM, you wrote: DR> I vote for samba! DR> Why Slackware? isn't it sort of, ahh, dead? DR> All the Slackware people went to Debian years ago :) DR> dan DR> I've been wrong before DR> On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 09:02:33AM -0600, B_o_B wrote: >> Thursday, October 31, 2002 @ 9:01:47 AM Central Standard Time >> >> Hello group. I convinced my boss on switching some 2K Server boxes we use >> for file sharing & other things over to Slackware. Most of the machines in >> the office that will be accessing the Slackware boxes will be 2K Pro, or NT >> workstation. I was wondering what the general opinion is out their >> regarding winblows boxes accessing Linux file servers. >> >> Is it better to fire up NFS on the Slack boxes, and configure the winblows >> boxes to use NFS >> or >> Should I fire up Samba on the Slack Boxes instead of NFS?? >> >> Any comments are greatly appreciated. >> >> Many Thanks & Rock'N'Roll, >> >> Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars >> mailto:chewbaka@toughguy.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list DR> _______________________________________________ DR> Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota DR> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org DR> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewbaka at toughguy.net Thu Oct 31 15:36:09 2002 From: chewbaka at toughguy.net (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NFS or Samba?? In-Reply-To: <001701c280fa$f7bf6490$eb0f460a@pro.tl.thomcorp.net> References: <9187076758.20021031090233@toughguy.net> <001701c280fa$f7bf6490$eb0f460a@pro.tl.thomcorp.net> Message-ID: <863366884.20021031110039@toughguy.net> Thursday, October 31, 2002 @ 10:59:20 AM Central Standard Time Thank You for the advice. Popular opinion out their seems to be for Samba.... I guess that is the path I will take. Many Thanks & Kind Regards, Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars mailto:chewbaka@toughguy.net ********************************************************* Thursday, October 31, 2002, 10:31:29 AM, you wrote: TTV> Samba. It is seemless as far as Windows is concerned. It can be TTV> problematic to set up permissions (docs are very good), but open shares a TTV> very easy. TTV> Tom Veldhouse TTV> ----- Original Message ----- TTV> From: "B_o_B" TTV> To: TTV> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 9:02 AM TTV> Subject: [TCLUG] NFS or Samba?? >> Thursday, October 31, 2002 @ 9:01:47 AM Central Standard Time >> >> Hello group. I convinced my boss on switching some 2K Server boxes we use >> for file sharing & other things over to Slackware. Most of the machines TTV> in >> the office that will be accessing the Slackware boxes will be 2K Pro, or TTV> NT >> workstation. I was wondering what the general opinion is out their >> regarding winblows boxes accessing Linux file servers. >> >> Is it better to fire up NFS on the Slack boxes, and configure the winblows >> boxes to use NFS >> or >> Should I fire up Samba on the Slack Boxes instead of NFS?? >> >> Any comments are greatly appreciated. >> >> Many Thanks & Rock'N'Roll, >> >> Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars >> mailto:chewbaka@toughguy.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, TTV> Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> TTV> _______________________________________________ TTV> Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota TTV> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org TTV> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Thu Oct 31 15:36:46 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat rsync mirror? In-Reply-To: <3DC1431D.406@andersonfam.org> References: <3DC1431D.406@andersonfam.org> Message-ID: <200210311104.19309.tanner@real-time.com> On Thursday 31 October 2002 08:50 am, Erik V. Anderson wrote: > I've been looking all over redhat's page as well as google and can't > find an answer to this question...how would one go about mirroring the > redhat/en/i386 distribution? > > Here at work, we are starting to use redhat more and more and I would > love to be able to have a local repository to do the installs from > rather than doing everything from cds. http://mailman.real-time.com/pipermail/redhat-mirror/ Send mail to ftp@redhat.com requesting mirror status. Last time I checked they won't let you rsync the mirrors unless you are willing to share with others (ie no private mirrors). You can always use wget/mirror to simulate rsync. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Oct 31 15:37:25 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MySQL failure, with segfault. In-Reply-To: <002201c280e6$f6305030$e40f460a@VELDYT> References: <20021030215724.D31320@real-time.com> <002201c280e6$f6305030$e40f460a@VELDYT> Message-ID: <200210311105.12024.tanner@real-time.com> On Thursday 31 October 2002 08:08 am, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > Any chance that you over optimized the build? The RPM does do a -O6 for the CFLAGS. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 From rclark at lakesplus.com Thu Oct 31 15:48:48 2002 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Computational Speed - Kernels / CPU References: <200210310342.g9V3gMD04378@sprite.real-time.com> <20021031040752.03BD073D24@maynard.rephil.org> Message-ID: <0ac401c28121$e696c6a0$0201a8c0@office> I guess I was not worried about major improvements from kernel changes as much as I was disappointed in the XP 2100+ delivering a nice speed up in general. As suggested by you and others, the kernel should NOT have make that much difference. I am just disappointed in overall CPU performance. Comments to other replies ... There is a lot of memory management. The run takes around 450-500 MB of RAM, and it is an iterative solution, which means things have to be operated on a lot ... moving to and from the CPU. Can I send out a binary? No ... it is a commercial code that requires a license key (based NIC card IP) in order for it to run. So ... there is no way to run it on other hardware, unless that hardware already has a license key. Thanks for the offers though. Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Mendelsohn" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Computational Speed - Kernels / CPU > tclug-list-request@mn-linux.org writes: > > > Ok ... I have finally finished the simple comparison on different = > > kernels and computational speed. > > > > I ran a commercial code that required memory (lots of matrix solutions) = > > and large amounts of CPU times. Recall that I previously posted the = > > times, stating I was disappointed in the speedup from a PIII 700 MHz. = > > The results are listed below. The AMD machine was dedicated to this = > > problem - nothing else was running at the time. > > > > PIII 700 MHz (dual CPU - only 1 used for solution) 96,370 secs > > - Win2000 > > > > AMD XP 2100+ (single CPU) 686 kernel (?) 65,039 secs > > AMD XP 2100+ (single CPU) Athlon kernel 63,411 secs > > - Linux RH7.2 > > > > No real improvement in performance. I must say I am disappointed in the = > > speedup. > > Um, if you're crunching numbers, the kernel shouldn't be interacting very > much. Where kernel comes in is if you're losing speed to time-sharing, > process swap overhead, paging, or maybe I/O. Seems to me you wouldn't be > hitting any of those things, so I guess I'm surprised you're seeing as > *much* as you did. (Without knowing what your algorithm or data set is... > nothing better than being unencumbered by facts!) > > -- > "To misattribute a quote is unforgivable." -- Anonymous > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From atebbe at real-time.com Thu Oct 31 15:59:20 2002 From: atebbe at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mailman & virtual hosting In-Reply-To: <001b01c280e6$ca5581b0$e40f460a@VELDYT>; from veldy@veldy.net on Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 08:07:03AM -0600 References: <20021030164240.H3913@real-time.com> <001b01c280e6$ca5581b0$e40f460a@VELDYT> Message-ID: <20021031153020.A25028@real-time.com> On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 08:07:03AM -0600, Thomas T. Veldhouse (veldy@veldy.net) wrote: > Mailman is smart enough to figure it out from the URL. You don't have to do > anything. Just set the default host name in each of the mailing lists and > you should do alright -- as long as your link the aliases in apache from the > virtual host configuration. I've set the default host name. That does not prevent viewing of any mailing lists using any of the virtual host names. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com From chewbaka at toughguy.net Thu Oct 31 16:05:20 2002 From: chewbaka at toughguy.net (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NFS or Samba?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2919529708.20021031153000@toughguy.net> Thursday, October 31, 2002 @ 3:29:53 PM Central Standard Time Cool....Thanks Alot.... Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars mailto:chewbaka@toughguy.net ********************************************************* Thursday, October 31, 2002, 10:57:00 AM, you wrote: MV> *cough* MV> Uhh, no, no we didn't. :) MV> And no, it's not dead. MV> As far as which is better, it'd depend on what the 'other things' you use MV> them for are. Figure out all the things they need to do and compare. If MV> you're going beyond the realm of just file sharing, then you're probably MV> going to want samba. Otherwise, I'd consider NFS the easier choice as far MV> as configuration goes (though there may be nice GUI Samba configuration MV> tools out there, I haven't checked lately). MV> -- MV> Michael Vieths MV> Foeclan@Visi.com MV> On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, Dan Rue wrote: >> I vote for samba! >> >> Why Slackware? isn't it sort of, ahh, dead? >> >> All the Slackware people went to Debian years ago :) >> >> dan >> I've been wrong before >> >> On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 09:02:33AM -0600, B_o_B wrote: >> > Thursday, October 31, 2002 @ 9:01:47 AM Central Standard Time >> > >> > Hello group. I convinced my boss on switching some 2K Server boxes we use >> > for file sharing & other things over to Slackware. Most of the machines in >> > the office that will be accessing the Slackware boxes will be 2K Pro, or NT >> > workstation. I was wondering what the general opinion is out their >> > regarding winblows boxes accessing Linux file servers. >> > >> > Is it better to fire up NFS on the Slack boxes, and configure the winblows >> > boxes to use NFS >> > or >> > Should I fire up Samba on the Slack Boxes instead of NFS?? >> > >> > Any comments are greatly appreciated. >> > >> > Many Thanks & Rock'N'Roll, >> > >> > Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars >> > mailto:chewbaka@toughguy.net >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> _______________________________________________ >> Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> MV> _______________________________________________ MV> Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota MV> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org MV> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Thu Oct 31 16:10:52 2002 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Redhat rsync mirror? In-Reply-To: <3DC1431D.406@andersonfam.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, Erik V. Anderson wrote: > I've been looking all over redhat's page as well as google and can't > find an answer to this question...how would one go about mirroring the > redhat/en/i386 distribution? > > Here at work, we are starting to use redhat more and more and I would > love to be able to have a local repository to do the installs from > rather than doing everything from cds. Sure, rpmfind.net has a few mirrors. Example: rsync -avz --delete speakeasy.rpmfind.net::linux/redhat/8.0/en/ \ /local/redhat/8.0/en/ rsync -avz --delete speakeasy.rpmfind.net::linux/redhat/updates/8.0/en/ \ /local/redhat/updates/8.0/en/ Looks like the active rsync servers are speakeasy.rpmfind.net (Seattle) and fr2.rpmfind.net (Lyon, France). Jima From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Oct 31 16:40:06 2002 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Computational Speed - Kernels / CPU In-Reply-To: <0ac401c28121$e696c6a0$0201a8c0@office> References: <200210310342.g9V3gMD04378@sprite.real-time.com> <20021031040752.03BD073D24@maynard.rephil.org> <0ac401c28121$e696c6a0$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: <20021031215817.GT6157@techmonkeys.org> On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 03:10:07PM -0600, Randy Clarksean wrote: > Can I send out a binary? No ... it is a commercial code that requires a > license key (based NIC card IP) in order for it to run. So ... there is no > way to run it on other hardware, unless that hardware already has a license > key. Thanks for the offers though. ifconfig eth0 hw ether xx:xx:xx:xx:xx heh. > > Randy -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 From florin at iucha.net Thu Oct 31 17:10:16 2002 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Computational Speed - Kernels / CPU In-Reply-To: <0ac401c28121$e696c6a0$0201a8c0@office> References: <200210310342.g9V3gMD04378@sprite.real-time.com> <20021031040752.03BD073D24@maynard.rephil.org> <0ac401c28121$e696c6a0$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: <20021031223644.GB1899@iucha.net> On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 03:10:07PM -0600, Randy Clarksean wrote: > I guess I was not worried about major improvements from kernel changes as > much as I was disappointed in the XP 2100+ delivering a nice speed up in > general. As suggested by you and others, the kernel should NOT have make > that much difference. I am just disappointed in overall CPU performance. Why? If your code + data does not fit into the L2 cache, you are hauling it over the same bus as a PIII. A chain is as strong as its weakest link. Unfortunately the answer for that right now is to get a Xeon... > Comments to other replies ... > > There is a lot of memory management. The run takes around 450-500 MB of > RAM, and it is an iterative solution, which means things have to be operated > on a lot ... moving to and from the CPU. Exactly. Get a Xeon with dual channel DDR. Cheers, florin -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So ... there is no > > way to run it on other hardware, unless that hardware already has a license > > key. Thanks for the offers though. > > ifconfig eth0 hw ether xx:xx:xx:xx:xx > > heh. > -- > Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified > http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 Please report yourself to the nearest DMCA reeducation center. You need your attitude wrt intellectual property readjusted. florin PS: Damn I feel dirty now. -- "If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is." 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20021031/7ca3369c/attachment.pgp From john4293 at umn.edu Thu Oct 31 17:27:28 2002 From: john4293 at umn.edu (john4293) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NFS or Samba?? Message-ID: <200210311703.g9VH3Ah10231@firefox.software.umn.edu> > Why Slackware? isn't it sort of, ahh, dead? I still use slackware and know several others who do too. I like the fact that it's very standardized and I don't have too worry about customized kernels or package managment beyond maintaining a changelog. It's not as pretty as others but it's also relatively lightweight. That's my $.02 Thomas Johnson john4293@tc.umn.edu 763.458.9071 (cell) --- *if it's not broken, i haven't worked hard enough. *whatever happens, don't you dare say I brought it upon us. leave me out of your collective. From natecars at real-time.com Thu Oct 31 17:40:59 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MySQL failure, with segfault. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, Nate Carlson wrote: > I think I'll try building glibc 3 out of Rawhide, and see if that > resolves the issue. s/glibc 3/glibc 2.3/ Works great with glibc 2.3.1 instead of 2.2.93. RedHat's policy of including pre-release code bites again.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From scotty at cloudnet.com Thu Oct 31 18:13:39 2002 From: scotty at cloudnet.com (John) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux based guide to TiVo hacking? In-Reply-To: <20021031145530.GA6753@refried.org> References: <20021031145530.GA6753@refried.org> Message-ID: <200210311832.g9VIWwG01575@tiger.NC_PATHOLOGY> On Thursday 31 October 2002 02:55 pm, you wrote: > Does anyone know of a good guide to hacking and upgrading TiVos for > the experienced Linux user? Is there source code to any of the > upgrade tools? Are there any words of advice that local TiVo > hackers can share? Nate I don't know if this is what you wnat or not but this was on The Screen Savers a while ago. http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/supergeek/story/0,24330,3396142,00.html There are a bunch of links. I hope that will do. -- cYa John Don't give up. DON'T EVER GIVE UP!!! "Jimmy V" From veldy at veldy.net Thu Oct 31 18:52:37 2002 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MySQL failure, with segfault. References: <20021030215724.D31320@real-time.com> <002201c280e6$f6305030$e40f460a@VELDYT> <200210311105.12024.tanner@real-time.com> Message-ID: <010e01c28126$86be8b50$eb0f460a@pro.tl.thomcorp.net> Try chaning it to just -O and rebuild. I have had horrendous problems with over optimized compiles. The FreeBSD team has also stated as well. often -O has success where -O[23456] does not. You migh consider dropping some of the arch optimizations in favor of cpu optimizations as well (i.e. s/-march=athlon-xp/-mcpu=athlon-xp/). Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Tanner" To: Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] MySQL failure, with segfault. > On Thursday 31 October 2002 08:08 am, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > Any chance that you over optimized the build? > > The RPM does do a -O6 for the CFLAGS. > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = 02E0 2734 A1A1 DBA1 0E15 623D 0036 7327 93D9 7DA3 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From sfertch at real-time.com Thu Oct 31 20:44:57 2002 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NFS or Samba?? In-Reply-To: <20021031102121.C8800@cs.und.edu> References: <9187076758.20021031090233@toughguy.net> <20021031102121.C8800@cs.und.edu> Message-ID: <20021031183623.172b4e84.sfertch@real-time.com> On Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:21:21 -0600 Dan Rue wrote: > I vote for samba! > > Why Slackware? isn't it sort of, ahh, dead? > > All the Slackware people went to Debian years ago :) > > dan > I've been wrong before > Slackware most certainly isn't dead. In fact it's quite alive and kicking. I've tried other distros, and keep coming back to Slack every time. As to Samba or NFS, go with Samba. I've got it running on a Slack 8.0 box here at home and it works great. Easy to set up if you understand it properly. Shawn From sfertch at real-time.com Thu Oct 31 20:46:13 2002 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NFS or Samba?? In-Reply-To: <671F7136-ED04-11D6-A48A-000393B93C2A@sistina.com> References: <9187076758.20021031090233@toughguy.net> <671F7136-ED04-11D6-A48A-000393B93C2A@sistina.com> Message-ID: <20021031184454.2c1f8da3.sfertch@real-time.com> On Thu, 31 Oct 2002 13:10:21 -0600 Ben Lutgens wrote: > > Samba. Why add more software to the windows machines when you can use > a protocol already supported by (In fact written for) doze. > Samba was originally written for communications between other OS' than Windows with Unix. Can't recall what though at this time. However, using Samba does have it's drawbacks like many other things. One thing to note, set up your samba servers to authenticate to the NT/2000/XP domain so that it's relatively seamless for your users to connect to them. Shawn From rpgoldman at real-time.com Thu Oct 31 20:59:34 2002 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Computational Speed - Kernels / CPU In-Reply-To: <0ac401c28121$e696c6a0$0201a8c0@office> References: <200210310342.g9V3gMD04378@sprite.real-time.com> <20021031040752.03BD073D24@maynard.rephil.org> <0ac401c28121$e696c6a0$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: <15809.56348.290867.832675@tsathoggua.mydomain> Randy Clarksean writes: > I guess I was not worried about major improvements from kernel changes as > much as I was disappointed in the XP 2100+ delivering a nice speed up in > general. As suggested by you and others, the kernel should NOT have make > that much difference. I am just disappointed in overall CPU performance. > > Comments to other replies ... > > There is a lot of memory management. The run takes around 450-500 MB of > RAM, and it is an iterative solution, which means things have to be operated > on a lot ... moving to and from the CPU. Are you sure you've got RAM allocated statically in a good way (i.e., so that you are never reclaiming and reallocating memory)? Should you be looking for compilation options that optimize your user-mode code for Athlons instead of the kernel (I'm not sure what this would be --- I don't know much about architectural differences)? R From chewbaka at toughguy.net Thu Oct 31 21:00:22 2002 From: chewbaka at toughguy.net (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NFS or Samba?? In-Reply-To: <200210311703.g9VH3Ah10231@firefox.software.umn.edu> References: <200210311703.g9VH3Ah10231@firefox.software.umn.edu> Message-ID: <1171894010.20021031200430@toughguy.net> Thursday, October 31, 2002 @ 8:04:20 PM Central Standard Time Rock-On Brotha...... Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars mailto:chewbaka@toughguy.net ********************************************************* Thursday, October 31, 2002, 11:03:10 AM, you wrote: >> Why Slackware? isn't it sort of, ahh, dead? j> I still use slackware and know several others who do too. I like the fact j> that it's very standardized and I don't have too worry about customized j> kernels or package managment beyond maintaining a changelog. It's not as j> pretty as others but it's also relatively lightweight. That's my $.02 j> Thomas Johnson j> john4293@tc.umn.edu j> 763.458.9071 (cell) j> --- j> *if it's not broken, i haven't worked hard enough. j> *whatever happens, don't you dare say I brought it upon us. leave me out of j> your collective. j> _______________________________________________ j> Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota j> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org j> https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Thu Oct 31 22:12:16 2002 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] performance of SGI Indigo2s as diskless workstations Message-ID: <200210312128.14981.wilson@visi.com> Hi everyone, I know there are some SGI employees and afficionados on the list so I thought I would ask for some input on this question. I have an opportunity to get approximately 30 Indigo2 diskless workstations and a tricked out Indigo2 workstation to use as a server. I'm curious to know if the performance would be generally acceptable. Here are more detailed specs: *(30) SGI Indigo2 workstations w/ 150 or 200 MHz processor, 96MB or 128 MB RAM, diskless, XZ, Elan, or Extreme Graphics, keyboard, mouse * (1) SGI Indigo2 workstation w/ 175 MHz R10000 CPU, 256 MB RAM, 9GB H.D., Solid Impact graphics, keyboard, mouse, configured as server for diskless workstations * (31) Sun 17" GDM17E10 monitors What do you think? -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From jack at jacku.com Thu Oct 31 23:43:47 2002 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 14:02:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sound question In-Reply-To: <20021031134419.A22456@localhost.localdomain> References: <3DC0B4F5.6010509@attbi.com> <20021031134419.A22456@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200210312238.47243.jack@jacku.com> You might also want to visit www.suse.com and check the hardware DB. Check for updates in the download area. I seem to remember there being some ALSA updates. In defence of SuSE (I do it all the time...) it has pretty good hardware discovery as well. If this is on the motherboard sound then also look for entries on the motherboard in the HDB. Good Luck! Jack On Thursday 31 October 2002 13:44, Karl Bongers wrote: > A brute force fix would be to get rid of SUSE and install RedHat8 > which has really good auto-config of sound(and everything else). > > There are two types of sound drivers: OSS and ALSA. > OSS is older, simpler. > ALSA is newer and more complex and is now in the new development > kernels. > > SUSE is the home of ALSA development, most other distributions still > use OSS driver package. Looks like you've got a misconfiguration > or bug in ALSA drivers. > > Let us know what the following says: > lspci > cat /etc/modules.conf > lsmod > > You can google for AC97, SUSE, ALSA, (substream != ((void *)0)) > to dig deeper. > > On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 10:43:33PM -0600, pt becker wrote: > > Hi there- > > I have been fighting this sound problem to frustration and need some > > help. I have sound when playing CD's, but no sound when playing mp3s or > > wavs. How do I set up sound do its fully functional? > > Thanks much - pt > > > > Hoping the following might give needed information > > > > SUSE 8.0 > > AC97 Audio controller (only reference to a sound card I can find) > > > > Part of system log, sorry if its information overload. > > > > Oct 30 22:13:42 linux insmod: insmod: a module named sg already exists > > Oct 30 22:13:42 linux insmod: insmod: insmod char-major-21 failed > > Oct 30 22:13:42 linux insmod: insmod: a module named sg already exists > > Oct 30 22:13:42 linux insmod: insmod: insmod char-major-21 failed > > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux sshd[664]: Server listening on :: port 22. > > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: klogd 1.4.1, log source = /proc/kmsg > > started. Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: Inspecting > > /boot/System.map-2.4.18-4GB Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: Loaded 12771 > > symbols from > > /boot/System.map-2.4.18-4GB. > > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: Symbols match kernel version 2.4.18. > > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: Loaded 493 symbols from 16 modules. > > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: 8139too Fast Ethernet driver 0.9.24 > > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: eth0: RealTek RTL8139 Fast Ethernet at > > 0xd4a90000, 00:50:ba:88:a4:97, IRQ 5 > > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: eth0: Identified 8139 chip type > > 'RTL-8139B' Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: eth0: Setting 100mbps > > full-duplex based on auto-negotiated partner ability 41e1. > > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: usb.c: registered new driver usbdevfs > > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: usb.c: registered new driver hub > > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: usb-uhci.c: $Revision: 1.275 $ time > > 14:22:01 Mar 27 2002 > > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: usb-uhci.c: High bandwidth mode enabled > > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: usb-uhci.c: USB UHCI at I/O 0xdc00, IRQ 5 > > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: usb-uhci.c: Detected 2 ports > > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned > > bus number 1 > > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: hub.c: USB hub found > > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: hub.c: 2 ports detected > > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: usb-uhci.c: USB UHCI at I/O 0xe000, IRQ 5 > > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: usb-uhci.c: Detected 2 ports > > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned > > bus number 2 > > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: hub.c: USB hub found > > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: hub.c: 2 ports detected > > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: usb-uhci.c: v1.275:USB Universal Host > > Controller Interface driver > > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: VFS: Disk change detected on device > > sr(11,0) Oct 30 22:13:47 linux last message repeated 7 times > > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: isapnp: Scanning for PnP cards... > > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: isapnp: No Plug & Play device found > > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: IPv6 v0.8 for NET4.0 > > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling driver > > Oct 30 22:13:47 linux kernel: PCI: Setting latency timer of device > > 00:11.5 to 64 > > Oct 30 22:13:48 linux /usr/sbin/cron[769]: (CRON) STARTUP (fork ok) > > Oct 30 22:13:55 linux /etc/hotplug/net.agent[684]: No HW description > > found ... exiting > > Oct 30 22:13:56 linux kernel: parport0: PC-style at 0x378 (0x778) > > [PCSPP,TRISTATE,EPP] > > Oct 30 22:13:56 linux kernel: parport0: irq 7 detected > > Oct 30 22:13:56 linux kernel: parport0: Printer, Hewlett-Packard > > OfficeJet Series 500 > > Oct 30 22:13:56 linux kernel: lp0: using parport0 (polling). > > Oct 30 22:13:56 linux kernel: lp0: compatibility mode > > Oct 30 22:13:56 linux kernel: nvidia: loading NVIDIA Linux x86 NVdriver > > Kernel Module 1.0-3123 Tue Aug 27 15:56:48 PDT 2002 > > Oct 30 22:13:56 linux kernel: Linux agpgart interface v0.99 (c) Jeff > > Hartmann > > Oct 30 22:13:56 linux kernel: agpgart: Maximum main memory to use for > > agp memory: 203M > > Oct 30 22:13:56 linux kernel: agpgart: Detected Via Apollo Pro KT266 > > chipset Oct 30 22:13:56 linux kernel: agpgart: AGP aperture is 64M @ > > 0xd0000000 Oct 30 22:13:56 linux kernel: NVRM: AGPGART: VIA Apollo KT133 > > chipset Oct 30 22:13:56 linux kernel: NVRM: AGPGART: aperture: 64M @ > > 0xd0000000 Oct 30 22:13:56 linux kernel: NVRM: AGPGART: aperture mapped > > from 0xd0000000 to 0xd483c000 > > Oct 30 22:13:56 linux kernel: NVRM: AGPGART: mode 4x > > Oct 30 22:13:56 linux kernel: NVRM: AGPGART: allocated 16 pages > > Oct 30 22:13:56 linux kernel: ALSA ../alsa-kernel/core/pcm_lib.c:1723: > > BUG? (substream != ((void *)0)) (called from c33ea4a5) > > Oct 30 22:13:57 linux last message repeated 29 times > > Oct 30 22:13:57 linux kernel: eth0: no IPv6 routers present > > Oct 30 22:13:57 linux kernel: ALSA ../alsa-kernel/core/pcm_lib.c:1723: > > BUG? (substream != ((void *)0)) (called from c33ea4a5) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com