From adamm at sihope.com Tue Jul 1 07:40:03 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: motherboard static bag In-Reply-To: <20030630215540.3fbcf095.john4293@umn.edu> Message-ID: I just threw out a bunch of boards - so I have boxes and bags. They're in the trash in front of my house waiting for pickup. I'll call the wifey and have her grab some before they show up. I live in Frogtown, near 94 and rice. I can also send them with my brother tonight, he lives in Vadnais Heights (694 and rice). Or you can meet me up at Al's in Roseville (Larp and Hamline) tonight. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications On Mon, 30 Jun 2003, Thomas Johnson wrote: > does anyone (preferably in the north burbs) have a static bag for a motherboard that they're willing to part with? i need to send a board back but somehow all of my bags disappeared. TIA. > > > Thomas Johnson > -------------- > john4293 at umn dot edu > 763.458.9071 (cell) > -------------- > * if it's not broken, i haven't worked hard enough. > * there is little truth in men but much cunning. -peter the great > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Tue Jul 1 09:37:21 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: motherboard static bag In-Reply-To: <20030630215540.3fbcf095.john4293@umn.edu> References: <20030630215540.3fbcf095.john4293@umn.edu> Message-ID: <20030701143721.GB2660@fandre.com> Is Andover north enough for you? On Mon, 30 Jun 2003, Thomas Johnson wrote: > does anyone (preferably in the north burbs) have a static bag for a motherboard that they're willing to part with? i need to send a board back but somehow all of my bags disappeared. TIA. > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Tue Jul 1 09:41:49 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: motherboard static bag Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3618@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> I have a couple as well....i am in NE Minneapolis Dan Lansing -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Johnson [mailto:john4293@umn.edu] Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 9:56 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] OT: motherboard static bag does anyone (preferably in the north burbs) have a static bag for a motherboard that they're willing to part with? i need to send a board back but somehow all of my bags disappeared. TIA. Thomas Johnson -------------- john4293 at umn dot edu 763.458.9071 (cell) -------------- * if it's not broken, i haven't worked hard enough. * there is little truth in men but much cunning. -peter the great _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david.blevins at visi.com Tue Jul 1 10:06:14 2003 From: david.blevins at visi.com (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fetchmail, mutt, and visi In-Reply-To: <20030626133636.GB9347@skuld.wookimus.net>; from chewie@wookimus.net on Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 08:36:36AM -0500 References: <20030624184121.GA14472@isis.visi.com> <16120.40063.255965.893516@workstation.mn.mtu.net> <20030624210613.GA22499@isis.visi.com> <200306252330.19719.tanner@real-time.com> <20030626052316.GA3076@isis.visi.com> <20030626133636.GB9347@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20030701100614.A2198@sweetums.ce1.client2.attbi.com> On Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 08:36:36AM -0500, Chad Walstrom wrote: > On Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 12:23:16AM -0500, David Blevins wrote: > > I grabbed the source for postfix 2.0.12, but didn't get far in > > rebuilding. > > You're on the right track, David. I had to upgrade my postfix from the > one in Woody to the one in Sid. Good thing back-port compiling for > woody wasn't a problem, as long as you have all the libraries. If > you're doing Debian, you may need to edit the debian/control file to fix > dependencies, but otherwise, it's pretty straight forward. I went ahead and built new RPMs for postfix 1.1.7 using the SRPMS from the RH7.3 distro. If all went well, this email should safely come from my rebuilt postfix relaying to authsmtp.visi.com via Cyrus SASL. -- David Blevins _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Pradeep.Sadanapalli at med.ge.com Tue Jul 1 14:26:02 2003 From: Pradeep.Sadanapalli at med.ge.com (Sadanapalli, Pradeep Kumar (MED, TCS)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] load testing or system testing Message-ID: <2DE78F33FFE0D3118C0200508B94F9CA1E8788AF@uswaumsx08medge.med.ge.com> Thank you for all your responses. As we are migrating from Windows Workstations to Linux Workstations, many times I am facing the question "How reliable and stable is Linux GUI or Linux?" That is the reason I am looking for a Load test of the whole system, kernel as well as GUI. I am wondering if there is a benchmarking tool for this? I appreciate if anyone points me in this direction...!! Please correct me if my idea is totally wrong... Pradeep -----Original Message----- From: David Phillips [mailto:david@acz.org] Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 6:50 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] load testing or system testing Sadanapalli, Pradeep Kumar (MED, TCS) writes: > Can anyone suggest me how to go about > Load-Testing of Linux System in whole, Load-Testing of Kernel, Load > Testing of GUI(KDE&GNOME) ...I mean Performance testing to be > specific....? Since these are workstations, you're going about it the wrong way. Use one for your daily work. Does it do what you need it to do? Does it perform adequately? Since that's really what you want to know, that's what you should be testing. Doing random benchmarks of unrelated stuff isn't going to be very useful. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Tue Jul 1 15:20:04 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [ot:] recycling laser toner cartridges In-Reply-To: <16128.28076.503687.53744@gargle.gargle.HOWL>; from rpgoldman@real-time.com on Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 12:04:44PM -0500 References: <16128.28076.503687.53744@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <20030701152004.A22742@thinkunix.net> I have a few links here http://scotjenkins.com/earth/ on recycling. I've added the other toner recycling links that were just posted to tclug. rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > Anybody have a recommendation for people who will recycle laser toner > cartridges? -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Tue Jul 1 19:21:34 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] load testing or system testing In-Reply-To: <2DE78F33FFE0D3118C0200508B94F9CA1E8788AF@uswaumsx08medge.med.ge.com> References: <2DE78F33FFE0D3118C0200508B94F9CA1E8788AF@uswaumsx08medge.med.ge.com> Message-ID: <20030701192134.0f9b2566.sfertch@real-time.com> Umm, not really a load test, but a good "visual" of system loads, disk hits, etc. can be found using gkrellm or gkrellm2. It's been a while since I've used it but seemed fairly good overall. Of course, you could do a real load test by setting up a heavy duty machine as your terminal server.... http://www.ltsp.org I'm currently trying to figure out a way to do that for me at home. On Tue, 1 Jul 2003 14:26:02 -0500 "Sadanapalli, Pradeep Kumar (MED, TCS)" wrote: > Thank you for all your responses. As we are migrating from Windows > Workstations > to Linux Workstations, many times I am facing the question "How > reliable and stable is Linux GUI or Linux?" > That is the reason I am looking for a Load test of the whole system, > kernel as well as GUI. > I am wondering if there is a benchmarking tool for this? I appreciate > if anyone points me in this direction...!! > Please correct me if my idea is totally wrong... > > Pradeep > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Phillips [mailto:david@acz.org] > Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 6:50 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] load testing or system testing > > > Sadanapalli, Pradeep Kumar (MED, TCS) writes: > > Can anyone suggest me how to go about > > Load-Testing of Linux System in whole, Load-Testing of Kernel, Load > > Testing of GUI(KDE&GNOME) ...I mean Performance testing to be > > specific....? > > Since these are workstations, you're going about it the wrong way. > Use one > for your daily work. Does it do what you need it to do? Does it > perform > adequately? Since that's really what you want to know, that's what > you should be testing. Doing random benchmarks of unrelated stuff > isn't going > to be very useful. > > -- > David Phillips > http://david.acz.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewbaka at toughguy.net Tue Jul 1 21:34:42 2003 From: chewbaka at toughguy.net (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Drive Drama Message-ID: <10478275293.20030701213442@toughguy.net> Tuesday, July 1, 2003 @ 9:21:17 PM Central Standard Time Hello, and a good evening to you all. I have a box that has been running slack 8.1 for awhile now. When I did the install (many moons ago) I fdisked my drives like a man, and setup the partitions I wanted. All Good. While going through the install I setup/formatted all the partitions using the stock install program. Here is a copy of the fstab the install produced: /dev/sda1 swap swap defaults 0 0 /dev/hdd1 / ext3 defaults 1 1 /dev/sda2 /home ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/sda3 /var ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/hdd2 /var ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/hdd3 /home ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/hda1 /boot ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/hda2 /root ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/hdb1 /home ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom iso9660 noauto,owner,ro 0 0 /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto noauto,owner 0 0 none /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 I am concerned something is incorrect. Here is what happens when I do a df -m Filesystem 1M-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/hdd1 6297 925 5047 16% / /dev/sda2 18494 1600 15939 10% /home /dev/sda3 3875 1100 2575 30% /var /dev/hdd2 3875 1100 2575 30% /var /dev/hdd3 18494 1600 15939 10% /home /dev/hda1 99 7 87 8% /boot /dev/hda2 2902 76 2677 3% /root /dev/hdb1 18494 1600 15939 10% /home The /var's & the /homes's are showing up identicle. Do I need to remove some of the entries in the fstab file, and mount the drive partitions some otherway?? Any sugestions would be great. Many Thanks, Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars West Longitude 90' 15' 43" http://b-o-b.homelinux.com mailto:chewbaka@toughguy.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Tue Jul 1 22:47:32 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Drive Drama In-Reply-To: <10478275293.20030701213442@toughguy.net> Message-ID: On Tuesday, Jul 1, 2003, at 21:34 US/Central, B_o_B wrote: > I am concerned something is incorrect. Here is what happens when > I do a > df -m > > Filesystem 1M-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on > /dev/sda2 18494 1600 15939 10% /home > /dev/sda3 3875 1100 2575 30% /var > /dev/hdd2 3875 1100 2575 30% /var > /dev/hdd3 18494 1600 15939 10% /home > > The /var's & the /homes's are showi ng up identicle. Thats because you can't mount two partitions to the same mountpoint! The second one that gets mounted will be the only one which really shows up. Figure out which /home and /var you want (from which disk) and only mount that one (i.e. comment out the unwanted one from the fstab. Possibly mount the others under a different mountpoint. (for example /mnt/var2 and /mnt/home2) Why you'd want two /var and /home partitions is a bit of a mystery. -- Ben Lutgens System Administrator, Server Wizard, Email Guru US Admins, Inc _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From STEVEWABC at netscape.net Wed Jul 2 00:14:57 2003 From: STEVEWABC at netscape.net (STEVEWABC@netscape.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Print share problem (crash master steve) Message-ID: <35F9B6AC.413F2C5D.026842C8@netscape.net> I crashed my home network and now I need your help Printer will not Print from computer 2 Computer 1 is my server with the print, every thing is working here.. computer 2 is the kids computer will not print though the network... the comuters are on a NETGEAR router for the DSL This is what I have done up to this point.... Add new both users to each computer I have changed cupsd.conf from Order Deny,Allow Deny From All To Order Allow,Deny Allow From All I have added the IP address to /etc/hosts I made a new smb.conf which work before I crash the computer I have set up both computers the same way as before or I hope? but the problem I have on the kids computer when I go to remote CUPS server you put in host and port 631 then next which is your IP Print selection nothing is listed here. what did I do rong? Under Under SMB shared printer (windows) It lists my Homenetwork and printers, Y not under cups sever? What do I need to do to Correct this? __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewbaka at toughguy.net Wed Jul 2 06:48:55 2003 From: chewbaka at toughguy.net (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Drive Drama In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <193111531824.20030702064855@toughguy.net> Wednesday, July 2, 2003 @ 6:38:29 AM Central Standard Time BL> Why you'd want two /var and /home partitions is a bit of a mystery. I guess I misunderstood the procedure. I wanted to mount the /var & /home partitions on a few drives to get as much free space as possible. I will try to figure out what drive is truly being used, and remove the other ref's to /home & /var from the fstab file. No problem. If I mount the other partitions as /var2 /home2, etc. will I be able to use these partitions as free space for /var & /home? Thanks, Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars West Longitude 90' 15' 43" http://b-o-b.homelinux.com mailto:chewbaka@toughguy.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at infinetivity.com Wed Jul 2 08:10:23 2003 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: motherboard static bag In-Reply-To: <20030630215540.3fbcf095.john4293@umn.edu>; from john4293@umn.edu on Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 09:55:40PM -0500 References: <20030630215540.3fbcf095.john4293@umn.edu> Message-ID: <20030702081023.A6167@karl.iexposure.net> Oh come on now, wrap the damn thing in tin foil and get on with it. I know it works cause it keeps the aliens from reading my brain waves at night. When I ordered a set of Debian and FreeBSD cdroms off ebay they arrived wrapped in saran wrap, I thought that was a nice low budget solution. On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 09:55:40PM -0500, Thomas Johnson wrote: > does anyone (preferably in the north burbs) have a static bag for a motherboard that they're willing to part with? i need to send a board back but somehow all of my bags disappeared. TIA. > > > Thomas Johnson > -------------- > john4293 at umn dot edu > 763.458.9071 (cell) > -------------- > * if it's not broken, i haven't worked hard enough. > * there is little truth in men but much cunning. -peter the great _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Wed Jul 2 08:47:13 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: motherboard static bag In-Reply-To: <20030702081023.A6167@karl.iexposure.net> Message-ID: > Oh come on now, wrap the damn thing in tin foil and get on with it. > I know it works cause it keeps the aliens from reading my brain waves > at night. You're making sure to put the reflective side out, right? Now's the time to start wearing your tinfoil hats everyone, the magnetometers are showing proof that a 12th planet on a 3600 year orbit is causing a pole shift and will kill us all! - http://www.zetatalk.com (SomethingAwful's ALotD today). You can be saved by sending $35 for a book and video to their emissary, Nancy. You can't make this stuff up! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Wed Jul 2 09:19:17 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Drive Drama Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE12F@mail.temgweb.com> You can't go about it the way you want to. You cannot just mount as many partitions to the same mount point as you like and gain extra space. You need to use something like LVM to either stripe or concatenate the drives together first. > -----Original Message----- > From: B_o_B [mailto:chewbaka@toughguy.net] > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 6:49 AM > To: Ben Lutgens > Subject: Re[2]: [TCLUG] Drive Drama > > > Wednesday, July 2, 2003 @ 6:38:29 AM Central Standard Time > > BL> Why you'd want two /var and /home partitions is a bit of > a mystery. > > I guess I misunderstood the procedure. I wanted to mount the /var & > /home partitions on a few drives to get as much free space as > possible. > > I will try to figure out what drive is truly being used, and remove > the other ref's to /home & /var from the fstab file. No problem. > > If I mount the other partitions as /var2 /home2, etc. will I be able > to use these partitions as free space for /var & /home? > > Thanks, > > Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars > West Longitude 90' 15' 43" > http://b-o-b.homelinux.com > mailto:chewbaka@toughguy.net > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Wed Jul 2 09:36:11 2003 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [ot:] recycling laser toner cartridges In-Reply-To: <20030630184558.GF14503@autonomous.tv> References: <16128.28076.503687.53744@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <1866.65.116.187.220.1056999029.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> <20030630184558.GF14503@autonomous.tv> Message-ID: <16130.60891.52555.92669@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Thanks to Jim and Spencer for info! R _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Wed Jul 2 09:43:28 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Drive Drama In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE12F@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: The additional drives don't have to be mounted to common mountpoints - you can mount /var/log as it's own partition (if /var/log was big). If your home directories are the problem, then you could divide your users up into /home1 and /home2 and have each one be a different partition. Just make sure you fix the user's entries in the passwd file. If this is just a workstation for you (i.e., not really multi-user), you can just mount one of the big spare partitions anywhere and use it to dump stuff. My workstation here has a 14Gb partition called /space that I use to dump "stuff". My home directory is NFS mounted from the staff file server, and is meticulously organized. /space is for "garbage" - patches, packages, stuff I download and play with, and of course, /space/mp3 On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Austad, Jay wrote: > You can't go about it the way you want to. You cannot just mount as many > partitions to the same mount point as you like and gain extra space. You > need to use something like LVM to either stripe or concatenate the drives > together first. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: B_o_B [mailto:chewbaka@toughguy.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 6:49 AM > > To: Ben Lutgens > > Subject: Re[2]: [TCLUG] Drive Drama > > > > > > Wednesday, July 2, 2003 @ 6:38:29 AM Central Standard Time > > > > BL> Why you'd want two /var and /home partitions is a bit of > > a mystery. > > > > I guess I misunderstood the procedure. I wanted to mount the /var & > > /home partitions on a few drives to get as much free space as > > possible. > > > > I will try to figure out what drive is truly being used, and remove > > the other ref's to /home & /var from the fstab file. No problem. > > > > If I mount the other partitions as /var2 /home2, etc. will I be able > > to use these partitions as free space for /var & /home? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars > > West Longitude 90' 15' 43" > > http://b-o-b.homelinux.com > > mailto:chewbaka@toughguy.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david.blevins at visi.com Wed Jul 2 12:13:13 2003 From: david.blevins at visi.com (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bell in terminal programs Message-ID: <20030702121313.A5752@sweetums.ce1.client2.attbi.com> I have the "set bell-style none" in my .inputrc file and it does work when on the command line, but it seems to have no effect on programs that take over the terminal like less or mutt. Is there some way of controlling this? Different terminal perhaps? I use Cygwin to ssh into my linux machine on a daily basis. What terminals do others prefer? -- David Blevins _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Wed Jul 2 13:53:11 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] No July TCLUG meeting Message-ID: <20030702185311.GB3072@fandre.com> Because of the 4th of July holiday, we will not be having a TCLUG meeting this month. But we will be having an installfest on Tuesday, July 8th. Check out the installfest page for more information. http://www.mn-linux.org/installfest/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Wed Jul 2 13:53:11 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] No July TCLUG meeting Message-ID: <20030702185311.GB3072@fandre.com> Because of the 4th of July holiday, we will not be having a TCLUG meeting this month. But we will be having an installfest on Tuesday, July 8th. Check out the installfest page for more information. http://www.mn-linux.org/installfest/ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From john4293 at umn.edu Wed Jul 2 14:05:30 2003 From: john4293 at umn.edu (Thomas Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: motherboard static bag In-Reply-To: <20030630215540.3fbcf095.john4293@umn.edu> References: <20030630215540.3fbcf095.john4293@umn.edu> Message-ID: <20030702140530.553de790.john4293@umn.edu> Thanks for all the responses, I got one from Munir yesterday that did the trick. Thanks again Munir! Thomas Johnson -------------- john4293 at umn dot edu 763.458.9071 (cell) -------------- * if it's not broken, i haven't worked hard enough. * there is little truth in men but much cunning. -peter the great _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Wed Jul 2 19:03:28 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bell in terminal programs References: <20030702121313.A5752@sweetums.ce1.client2.attbi.com> Message-ID: <002e01c340f6$87d8f120$0201a8c0@brinstar> David Blevins writes: > Is there some way of controlling this? Different terminal perhaps? I'm not completely sure, but it sounds (no pun intended) like it is dependant on the terminal. > I use Cygwin to ssh into my linux machine on a daily basis. What > terminals do others prefer? In my opinion, PuTTY is the best terminal / SSH client available for Windows. It lets you configure the bell. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Wed Jul 2 19:07:34 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bell in terminal programs In-Reply-To: <20030702121313.A5752@sweetums.ce1.client2.attbi.com> References: <20030702121313.A5752@sweetums.ce1.client2.attbi.com> Message-ID: <1236.192.1.1.248.1057190854.squirrel@dccmn.com> I think putty does a good job, ssh or telnet. David Blevins said: > I have the "set bell-style none" in my .inputrc file and it does work > when on the command line, but it seems to have no effect on programs > that take over the terminal like less or mutt. Is there some way of > controlling this? Different terminal perhaps? > > I use Cygwin to ssh into my linux machine on a daily basis. What > terminals do others prefer? > > -- > David Blevins > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewbaka at toughguy.net Wed Jul 2 22:06:23 2003 From: chewbaka at toughguy.net (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Drive Drama In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE12F@mail.temgweb.com> References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE12F@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <112166585717.20030702220623@toughguy.net> Wednesday, July 2, 2003 @ 10:02:14 PM Central Standard Time AJ> You can't go about it the way you want to. You cannot just mount as many AJ> partitions to the same mount point as you like and gain extra space. You AJ> need to use something like LVM to either stripe or concatenate the drives AJ> together first. Rodger That. I understand. Many Thanks, Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars West Longitude 90' 15' 43" http://b-o-b.homelinux.com mailto:chewbaka@toughguy.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Jul 3 09:40:51 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Drive Drama In-Reply-To: <112166585717.20030702220623@toughguy.net> References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE12F@mail.temgweb.com> <112166585717.20030702220623@toughguy.net> Message-ID: <20030703144051.GA10808@skuld.wookimus.net> "Austad, Jay" wrote: > ... You cannot just mount as many partitions to the same mount point > as you like and gain extra space. You need to use something like LVM > to either stripe or concatenate the drives together first. B_o_B wrote: > Rodger That. I understand. Let's start you out with a few links and documents to help you on your way. Not only can you use LVM[1], which is in the native 2.4.14+ kernels, but you can use native software RAID[2] called linear mode, or what Jay refers to as concatenation. Either one will work. 1. http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/ 2. http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <200307031142.53657.confundido@multiband.tv> OK, So the apartments I live in are designed to give you absolutely NO cross ventilation whatsoever. If there were cross ventilation it would be bearable, because when you go out into the hallway, it's a little warm, but fine. When both of your boxes crash from the sweltering heat after ten minutes of use, you know it's probably divine intercession trying to encourage you to get out of the apartment before you die of heatstroke. Or I could just install cedar panaling, some benches and charge a monthly fee. I might have to get a snow machine too.... Stay cool. NAS -- ________________________________________ Kmail/Mandrake Linux 9.1 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kremer at ringworld.org Thu Jul 3 11:46:45 2003 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Jerry Ekegren/Lutheran Brotherhood/US is out of the office. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Oh, not this again... On Thursday, July 3, 2003, at 11:26 AM, Jerry.Ekegren@thrivent.com wrote: > I will be out of the office starting 07/03/2003 and will not return > until > 07/08/2003. > > I will respond to your message when I return. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Jul 3 12:08:55 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BASH Tip! Message-ID: <20030703170855.GE10808@skuld.wookimus.net> OK, so let's say that you've inadvertantly created a file whose name starts or includes an unprintable character. When you type 'ls' at the prompt, you might get something like this: bash$ ls ? file1 file2 file3 bash$ Using the '-b' option to ls, you'll see the octal or symbolic value to the file name. bash$ ls -b \r file1 file2 file3 bash$ Now, in order to delete this file, you need to use BASH's QUOTING capabilities (more info in the bash manpage). bash$ rm $'\r' bash$ ls -b file1 file2 file3 bash$ Violla! Gone. Of course you could do a little overkill with python: bash$ python >>> import sys,os >>> os.unlink('\r') >>> sys.exit(0) bash$ Have fun! -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Thu Jul 3 12:10:57 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] xfm Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3623@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Does anyone know if there is a command line switch I can use to make xfm show hidden files by default? It does this as root but not as others...also to change the default view from icons to text?? The man has no info on this and I have googled too... Dan Lansing ITSC -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030703/35d8e3a8/attachment.html From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Jul 3 12:15:30 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] It is too hot. In-Reply-To: <200307031142.53657.confundido@multiband.tv> References: <200307031142.53657.confundido@multiband.tv> Message-ID: <20030703171530.GM2047@techmonkeys.org> On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 11:42:53AM -0500, Nathan Syverson wrote: > OK, > > So the apartments I live in are designed to give you absolutely NO cross > ventilation whatsoever. If there were cross ventilation it would be > bearable, because when you go out into the hallway, it's a little warm, but > fine. > > When both of your boxes crash from the sweltering heat after ten minutes of > use, you know it's probably divine intercession trying to encourage you to > get out of the apartment before you die of heatstroke. > > Or I could just install cedar panaling, some benches and charge a monthly fee. > I might have to get a snow machine too.... > > > Stay cool. > NAS > -- I've decided to cut a large hole in the wall, insert a boxfan with remote control, and put metal vents over it ... we also have no ventilation, the livingroom is ~60 degrees, rest of the apartment is ~80 =) -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Thu Jul 3 12:43:26 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BASH Tip! In-Reply-To: <20030703170855.GE10808@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: This is one of those cases where: echo(1) your glob before you rm it! rm -i is your friend! On Thu, 3 Jul 2003, Chad Walstrom wrote: > OK, so let's say that you've inadvertantly created a file whose name > starts or includes an unprintable character. When you type 'ls' at the > prompt, you might get something like this: > > bash$ ls > ? file1 file2 file3 > bash$ > > Using the '-b' option to ls, you'll see the octal or symbolic value to > the file name. > > bash$ ls -b > \r file1 file2 file3 > bash$ > > Now, in order to delete this file, you need to use BASH's QUOTING > capabilities (more info in the bash manpage). > > bash$ rm $'\r' > bash$ ls -b > file1 file2 file3 > bash$ > > Violla! Gone. Of course you could do a little overkill with python: > > bash$ python > >>> import sys,os > >>> os.unlink('\r') > >>> sys.exit(0) > bash$ > > Have fun! > > -- > Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ > assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Thu Jul 3 12:48:12 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BASH Tip! In-Reply-To: <20030703170855.GE10808@skuld.wookimus.net> References: <20030703170855.GE10808@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20030703174811.GA12506@mail.el-swifto.com> On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 12:08:55PM -0500, Chad Walstrom wrote: > OK, so let's say that you've inadvertantly created a file whose name > starts or includes an unprintable character. [snip] A couple of alternatives to that: 1. Use "rm -i" to avoid deleting innocent bystanders 2. Use "rename" (a Perl-based shell util) or equivalent to fix any unprintable characters, then delete as usual: rename 'tr/-A-Za-z0-9._/_/c' * TMTOWDTI, J -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at infinetivity.com Thu Jul 3 13:41:48 2003 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BASH Tip! In-Reply-To: <20030703170855.GE10808@skuld.wookimus.net>; from chewie@wookimus.net on Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 12:08:55PM -0500 References: <20030703170855.GE10808@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20030703134148.A11077@karl.iexposure.net> Or when all else fails, break out the real power tools. This one helped me delete 125 million mgetty.ttyS0.1.1.1,etc,etc log files today. Due to a RH7.X bug where logrotate config has this entry: /var/log/mgetty.log.tty* { which causes it to multiply like rabbits. And heres a tip: if you replace your firewall, make sure you unplug or disconnect the old one(with the same static IP address) otherwise you have a bad day and look kinda stupid after the fact :) #include #include #include int main(int argc, char *argv[]) { DIR *dp; struct dirent *s; int i; dp =opendir("/var/log/"); if (!dp) exit(1); printf("dir opened\n"); i = 0; do { s = readdir(dp); if (s) { if (strncmp(s->d_name, "mgetty",6) == 0) { ++i; if (i < 100) { //printf("%s\n", s->d_name); } remove(s->d_name); } } } while (s); printf("%d dirents\n"); closedir(dp); } _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewbaka at toughguy.net Thu Jul 3 15:03:35 2003 From: chewbaka at toughguy.net (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Drive Drama In-Reply-To: <20030703144051.GA10808@skuld.wookimus.net> References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE12F@mail.temgweb.com> <112166585717.20030702220623@toughguy.net> <20030703144051.GA10808@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <148227623345.20030703150335@toughguy.net> Thursday, July 3, 2003 @ 2:48:10 PM Central Standard Time Hi. Thanks for the links. I actually printed both of the doc's you referenced at work this morning, and brought them home with me. It was cool to come home and have you mention the links to them. At least I know I'm headed in the right direction. I plan on reading the doc's for LVM & RAID this evening, and then figure out which one will be best for my situation. I might try to setup LVM & RAID on different boxes, just to play with them. Thanks for the advice. CW> "Austad, Jay" wrote: >> ... You cannot just mount as many partitions to the same mount point >> as you like and gain extra space. You need to use something like LVM >> to either stripe or concatenate the drives together first. CW> B_o_B wrote: >> Rodger That. I understand. CW> Let's start you out with a few links and documents to help you on your CW> way. Not only can you use LVM[1], which is in the native 2.4.14+ CW> kernels, but you can use native software RAID[2] called linear mode, or CW> what Jay refers to as concatenation. Either one will work. CW> 1. http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/ CW> 2. http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html Kind Regards, Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars West Longitude 90' 15' 43" http://b-o-b.homelinux.com mailto:chewbaka@toughguy.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Thu Jul 3 16:05:02 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Software Raid Message-ID: <43918.63.137.56.228.1057266302.squirrel@dccmn.com> Well, it's about time I start setting up a new RH9 Linux machine. I was thinking about trying a Software Raid 5 configuration. I've got a WDD 20 GB and two WDD 40GB drives. I was thinking of setting up a 20GB raid segment on each, and use the remaining 40GB for /tmp and On-disk backups. Anyone got any suggestions? Horror stories? The Recent LJ online article suggested that I use ext2 due to inefficiencies between ext3 and SRaid. This still true in RH9? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gsker at tcfreenet.org Thu Jul 3 16:17:56 2003 From: gsker at tcfreenet.org (Gerry) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BASH Tip! In-Reply-To: <20030703170855.GE10808@skuld.wookimus.net> References: <20030703170855.GE10808@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: Good tip, Chad! That's good to know for when I have to use bash. In zsh (which ships with Solaris8 and later) you can just type rm and it lists all the files with all their proper escapes so you can just arrow up and down and choose the one you want to delete. Press enter and it deletes it. (unless it starts with a dash (-) in which case you still have to put "-- " in front of the name). [setopt menucomplete must be on for this to work.] If you put pattern before pressing it will only list the files matching the pattern. Gerry (Not trolling -- just comparing and contrasting) On Thu, 3 Jul 2003, Chad Walstrom wrote: > OK, so let's say that you've inadvertantly created a file whose name > starts or includes an unprintable character. When you type 'ls' at the > prompt, you might get something like this: [snip] > Now, in order to delete this file, you need to use BASH's QUOTING > capabilities (more info in the bash manpage). > > bash$ rm $'\r' [snip] -- Gerry Skerbitz gsker@tcfreenet.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Thu Jul 3 17:25:44 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] It is too hot. In-Reply-To: <20030703171530.GM2047@techmonkeys.org> References: <200307031142.53657.confundido@multiband.tv> <20030703171530.GM2047@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20030703172544.6278629f.sfertch@real-time.com> On Thu, 3 Jul 2003 12:15:30 -0500 "Matthew S. Hallacy" wrote: > I've decided to cut a large hole in the wall, insert a boxfan with > remote control, and put metal vents over it ... we also have no > ventilation, the livingroom is ~60 degrees, rest of the apartment is > ~80 =) > Before we got air conditioning in the house I had to take a side panel off of the case and put a box fan right up against it to blow cool air in. Not the best solution, but it worked. Only had one day that it overheated and crashed. Was playing some games that taxed the video card a bit much, and later found the cooling fan was out on the VC. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Thu Jul 3 18:48:46 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Jerry Ekegren/Lutheran Brotherhood/US is out of the office. References: Message-ID: <002601c341bd$a4850030$0201a8c0@brinstar> Jerry.Ekegren@thrivent.com writes: > I will be out of the office starting 07/03/2003 and will not return > until 07/08/2003. > > I will respond to your message when I return. This is yet another reason why Reply-To munging is bad. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Thu Jul 3 18:54:02 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BASH Tip! References: <20030703170855.GE10808@skuld.wookimus.net> <20030703134148.A11077@karl.iexposure.net> Message-ID: <003501c341be$61cde120$0201a8c0@brinstar> Karl Bongers writes: > Or when all else fails, break out the real power tools. This one > helped me delete 125 million mgetty.ttyS0.1.1.1,etc,etc log files > today. Due to > a RH7.X bug where logrotate config has this entry: > /var/log/mgetty.log.tty* { which causes it to multiply like rabbits. You wasted your time writing a C program. Learn to use the standard tools: ls -1 /var/log | grep -E ^mgetty | xargs rm This is the real power of UNIX :) -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jrvw4 at hotpop.com Thu Jul 3 19:36:21 2003 From: jrvw4 at hotpop.com (Jon VW) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Just started using Linux. Message-ID: <000001c341c4$5eb2d6c0$0100a8c0@Jrvw> Ok here is the story I just installed redhat 7.2 (it was all I had) I'm trying to get several things working on it here is the list: 1.) ipchains?... I have a windows 98 laptop that I connect through my main machine (2 network cards in the machine with redhat on it) I want the laptop to be able to access the network like it would with the network bridge option on windows XP. (at least for now) 2.) graphics card... I have an all-in-wonder 128 pro which I use on a semi regular basis mostly for watching TV on my monitor. I have no Idea how to pull this off in Linux. Ideally I would like to use something like freevo to use it as a media machine (at least some of the time) and I would also like to be able to control which monitor (TV or monitor) the images are showing up on. Apparently it defaults to the TV if it is plugged in (so I unplug the tv when ever I boot to linux.) 3.) internet connection... At the moment I'm using aol is there any way to connect to aol through Linux (I googled it an found something about peng but I wasn't able to get it to work using the directions I found.) 4.) NTFS... I know that mandrake comes with the ability to mount ntfs partitions I looked online a bit for this one and found that red hat version 7.3 and up can support ntfs, with a RPM off sourceforge but I have 7.2 (and I?m on aol or I would download mandrake and just use that) 5.) Accessing windows shares... I have a small home network and It would be nice to access windows shares on the laptop and other computers. It looked simple in the help files (something along the line of going to lan:// and it would show all the files but it doesn't seem to work that way.) 6.) scanner and printer... I have a visioneer 5300 usb one touch scanner and a HP Laser Jet 1000 (also usb) is there anyway to get both (or either) to work? (I've read that the Laser Jet is picky about what os's it will use) 7.) mouse... I have a generic 5 button scroll wireless mouse (plugged in through a ps2 adaptor) and I've noticed that the scroll wheel and the wing button don't work under Linux. Is there any simple way to fix this? 8.) Keyboard... It is a Microsoft Office Keyboard with all the extra buttons any chance of getting them to work? 9.) Black Box... I've seen a desktop program (like KDE and gnome) called black box however after googleing and pokeing around I've not been able to find it or how to install it. I like the way it looks and feels (kind like litestep from what I saw) I've googled some of the things on this list and I haven't looked at other yet, but these are the main things (at the moment) that are stopping me from using Linux (that and a total lack of understanding of how anything works). If you can offer any advice (preferable with out large downloads) I would be very grateful. Jon VW --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.488 / Virus Database: 287 - Release Date: 6/5/2003 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Jerry.Ekegren at thrivent.com Thu Jul 3 19:43:24 2003 From: Jerry.Ekegren at thrivent.com (Jerry.Ekegren@thrivent.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Jerry Ekegren/Lutheran Brotherhood/US is out of the office. Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 07/03/2003 and will not return until 07/08/2003. I will respond to your message when I return. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jul 3 20:48:14 2003 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Just started using Linux. In-Reply-To: <000001c341c4$5eb2d6c0$0100a8c0@Jrvw> References: <000001c341c4$5eb2d6c0$0100a8c0@Jrvw> Message-ID: <1057283295.15924.16.camel@3po.thodt.net> On Thu, 2003-07-03 at 19:36, Jon VW wrote: > Ok here is the story I just installed redhat 7.2 (it was all I had) [snip] Since you're stuck on dialup, you should try to either come by the installfest Tuesday evening, or at least pop in to pick up some CD-Rs with something newer than what you've got. You'd want to pre-arrange that, though.. I suppose I should ask the organizers of the installfest: What OSes will be available? Also, there's always CheapBytes (and others). I see they have Mandrake 9.1 for $6.99 (+$5 for shipping, I guess) http://cart.cheapbytes.com/cgi-bin/cart/0070010907.html -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ #define EBEFOREI /* Invalid / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ syntax */ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030703/39f820b3/attachment.pgp From crc1021 at myrealbox.com Thu Jul 3 20:48:53 2003 From: crc1021 at myrealbox.com (Eric Lofstad) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Just started using Linux. In-Reply-To: <000001c341c4$5eb2d6c0$0100a8c0@Jrvw> References: <000001c341c4$5eb2d6c0$0100a8c0@Jrvw> Message-ID: <20030703204853.3968d604.crc1021@myrealbox.com> You might might to show up at the install fest to get a newer version of RedHat and get more detailed help http://www.tclug.org/installfest/ On Thu, 3 Jul 2003 19:36:21 -0500 "Jon VW" wrote: > 1.) ipchains?... I have a windows 98 laptop that I connect through my http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ > 2.) graphics card... I have an all-in-wonder 128 pro which I use on a no experience here > 3.) internet connection... At the moment I'm using aol is there any way no experience here (I could give the usual "why do you want to use AOL?", but I won't) > 4.) NTFS... I know that mandrake comes with the ability to mount ntfs much better support in newer kernels/distros > 5.) Accessing windows shares... I have a small home network and It would ensure samba is installed, you might want to read up on "smbmount" > 6.) scanner and printer... I have a visioneer 5300 usb one touch scanner no joy on scanner: http://www.mostang.com/sane/sane-mfgs.html#VISIONEER > and a HP Laser Jet 1000 (also usb) is there anyway to get both (or mostly: http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-LaserJet_1000 > 7.) mouse... I have a generic 5 button scroll wireless mouse (plugged in http://www.xfree86.org/current/mouse.html here is my "InputDevice" section for in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Configured Mouse" Driver "mouse" Option "CorePointer" Option "Device" "/dev/psaux" Option "Protocol" "ImPS/2" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" EndSection > 8.) Keyboard... It is a Microsoft Office Keyboard with all the extra http://lineak.sourceforge.net/index.php?nav=keyboards > 9.) Black Box... I've seen a desktop program (like KDE and gnome) called if you want to stick with redhat 7.2 you'll probably have to compile from source. If you get a newer RedHat, check out www.freshrpms.net the 7.3 RPM may work http://valhalla.freshrpms.net/rpm.html?id=454 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Jul 3 22:05:18 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BASH Tip! In-Reply-To: <003501c341be$61cde120$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <20030703170855.GE10808@skuld.wookimus.net> <20030703134148.A11077@karl.iexposure.net> <003501c341be$61cde120$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20030704030518.GA16334@skuld.wookimus.net> On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 06:54:02PM -0500, David Phillips wrote: > You wasted your time writing a C program. Learn to use the standard > tools: > > ls -1 /var/log | grep -E ^mgetty | xargs rm Alternatively, you could use find... bash$ find /var/log -name mgetty\* -exec rm \{\} \; BYTES BINARY ======================== 43784 /bin/ls 46444 /bin/grep 11164 /usr/bin/xargs 25352 /bin/rm 49152 /usr/bin/find 3572 rm-mgetty (Karl's program) We see some huge space savings here, and by looking at the simple for loop that Karl used, I would venture to say it's pretty efficient with memory, too. So, what it all comes down to is conveinence and time. Being able to type out a bash commandline with existing tools that pipe into each other is definitely the UNIX way. But if you're comfortable with writing little one-timer programs and scripts, go for it. ;-) Software evolves. As you see a need satisfied by a program, perhaps it can be re-used later. If so, perhaps it should be re-written in a more generic manner, or in a manner that lends itself to piped I/O. That is UNIX. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 240 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030703/2acf539b/attachment.pgp From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri Jul 4 01:30:22 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Jerry Ekegren/Lutheran Brotherhood/US is out of the office. In-Reply-To: <002601c341bd$a4850030$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <002601c341bd$a4850030$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20030704063022.GN2047@techmonkeys.org> On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 06:48:46PM -0500, David Phillips wrote: > This is yet another reason why Reply-To munging is bad. Hi! Piss off! =) > -- > David Phillips > http://david.acz.org/ -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From STEVEWABC at netscape.net Fri Jul 4 08:09:54 2003 From: STEVEWABC at netscape.net (STEVEWABC@netscape.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] setting up a web server Message-ID: <28317FEB.3A6C02F9.026842C8@netscape.net> I'm alittle over my head and need your help... I have never done anything like this before so be nice to me. lol I have installed Apache,webmin & webmin-apache, so is that all thats needed and what are my next steps? I am running a fire wall so I no that I need to forward port 80 to my computer ip address or somthing like that how is this done? When this is set up is there a way to test it? Under mozilla I tryed to typing in 127.0.0.1 or 127.0.0.1:10000 in the url-field its coming back with The connection is refused Y? __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Jerry.Ekegren at thrivent.com Fri Jul 4 11:21:56 2003 From: Jerry.Ekegren at thrivent.com (Jerry.Ekegren@thrivent.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Jerry Ekegren/Lutheran Brotherhood/US is out of the office. Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 07/03/2003 and will not return until 07/08/2003. I will respond to your message when I return. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gkrueger at cleosci.com Fri Jul 4 11:22:24 2003 From: gkrueger at cleosci.com (gkrueger) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] setting up a web server References: <28317FEB.3A6C02F9.026842C8@netscape.net> Message-ID: <3F05A9C0.7000708@cleosci.com> Web servers are actually pretty easy. In the file: /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf (or wherever the httpd.conf file is located on your system), you need to activate (remove the pound or semicolon sign) a couple of lines. ServerName hostname.domainname.com:80 DocumentRoot "/var/www/html" Now, the first line you replace with either your IP address of your server followed by the :80 OR use the domain name of your machine and server; for example: linux1.dell.com:80 The second line tells the location where you will place your .html files. It may already be uncommented. Finally, you need to start the web server service: /etc/rc.d/init.d/httpd start This will be enough to get your web server working, but to access it by domain name, you will also need to be running DNS as a service, AND your registered domain name will need to be pointing to your DNS server to resolve the address. This is probably a step beyond where you are now. Garrett STEVEWABC@netscape.net wrote: >I'm alittle over my head and need your help... >I have never done anything like this before so be nice to me. lol > >I have installed Apache,webmin & webmin-apache, so is that all thats needed and what are my next steps? > > I am running a fire wall so I no that I need to forward port 80 to my computer ip address or somthing like that how is this done? > >When this is set up is there a way to test it? > >Under mozilla I tryed to typing in 127.0.0.1 or 127.0.0.1:10000 in the url-field its coming back with The connection is refused Y? > >__________________________________________________________________ >McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. >Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! >http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 > >Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! >http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bradyh at bitstream.net Fri Jul 4 11:51:23 2003 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] setting up a web server In-Reply-To: <28317FEB.3A6C02F9.026842C8@netscape.net> References: <28317FEB.3A6C02F9.026842C8@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1057337482.3978.36.camel@orlando> What distribution are you running? So we know what tools etc you have available. Check to see if you have the Apache daemon running by: ps -aux | grep apache or alternatively ps -aux | grep httpd (both of these return the same thing on my Redhat box) If so...pull up a browser (on that machine or another on the network) and type in the ip address of your machine like so: http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/ That should get you a page of info about Apache. If that doesn't work then you may need to open the port on the firewall. There might be a graphical tool for doing this installed depending on your distro and firewall... Brady > I'm alittle over my head and need your help... > I have never done anything like this before so be nice to me. lol > > I have installed Apache,webmin & webmin-apache, so is that all thats needed and what are my next steps? > > I am running a fire wall so I no that I need to forward port 80 to my computer ip address or somthing like that how is this done? > > When this is set up is there a way to test it? > > Under mozilla I tryed to typing in 127.0.0.1 or 127.0.0.1:10000 in the url-field its coming back with The connection is refused Y? > > __________________________________________________________________ > McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. > Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! > http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 > > Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! > http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Fri Jul 4 12:05:37 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] setting up a web server In-Reply-To: <28317FEB.3A6C02F9.026842C8@netscape.net> References: <28317FEB.3A6C02F9.026842C8@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1057338337.14254.9.camel@lotsa> On Fri, 2003-07-04 at 08:09, STEVEWABC@netscape.net wrote: > I am running a fire wall so I no that I need to forward port 80 to my > computer ip address or somthing like that how is this done? What is serving as your firewall? Are you running ipchains or iptables on your linux box? Do you have a router (dsl or cable modem) acting as a firewall? What brand/model? Even if you have a web server set up correctly it wont work unless port 80 traffic can get though to your linux machine. -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Jul 4 13:10:28 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Reply-To Munging Procmail Fix In-Reply-To: <002601c341bd$a4850030$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <002601c341bd$a4850030$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20030704181028.GB3345@skuld.wookimus.net> On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 06:48:46PM -0500, David Phillips wrote: > This is yet another reason why Reply-To munging is bad. Damn! Dave! What are you doing?! I'm agreeing with you AGAIN! Sooner or later, I think you're going to convince me that DJB is god or something! "Oh Lord, DJB, please forgive us our buffer overflows. And lead us not into 'Out of Bounds' errors..." Incidentally, here's a little procmail recipe to help out with the errant Reply-To Munging lists: # Rename "Reply-To:" headers that match "To:" headers. Redundant. :0 fHW * ^Reply-To:.*\/[-a-zA-Z0-9_:.+=/]+@[-a-zA-Z0-9_:.+=/]+ * $ ^To:.*${MATCH} | formail -R "Reply-To" "X-Munged-Reply-To" -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I was thinking of setting up a 20GB > raid segment on each, and use the remaining 40GB for /tmp and On-disk > backups. > If you are just going to use the extra 40gb for on-disk backups, I'd say forget the RAID-5 and do a RAID-1 with the two 40gb drives. Otherwise, get another 40gb drive to do your RAID-5. Forget about the 20gb drive. Also, make sure each drive in the RAID is the only drive on each IDE channel. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-0.4x-HOWTO-2.html -David _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cbidler at innominatus.com Fri Jul 4 14:00:38 2003 From: cbidler at innominatus.com (Chris Johnson Bidler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Jerry Ekegren/Lutheran Brotherhood/US is out of the office. In-Reply-To: <20030704063022.GN2047@techmonkeys.org> References: <002601c341bd$a4850030$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030704063022.GN2047@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <200307041400.39687.cbidler@innominatus.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 04 July 2003 01:30, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 06:48:46PM -0500, David Phillips wrote: > > This is yet another reason why Reply-To munging is bad. > > Hi! > > Piss off! > > =) > > > -- > > David Phillips > > http://david.acz.org/ For the record, poptix, this is IMHO the single least useful message I've seen posted to the TCLUG list in the three years or so I've lurked here. I realize that it is highly unlikely that airing my grievance in this public forum will cause you to give any thought to how you might have made this message more useful (e.g., perhaps given some sort of argument in favor of reply-to munging, or even an example of how you find it useful). But maybe it will help someone else to pause and count ten before clicking the 'Send' button. In conclusion, I would just like to say: signal good! Noise bad! - -- Chris Johnson Bidler cbidler@innominatus.com GPG key ID: 0F1FB96B -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/Bc7Wbb5/ug8fuWsRAnJmAKCKBwjih9ENF36eAdBM9Ih9ZOg2ggCfXJyd 6/ET6OiBXU87pLVvvWR4k2Q= =apyx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel at joelschneider.net Fri Jul 4 15:02:59 2003 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:56 2005 Subject: noise bad (was Re: [TCLUG] Jerry Ekegren/Lutheran Brotherhood/US is out of the office.) In-Reply-To: <200307041400.39687.cbidler@innominatus.com>; from cbidler@innominatus.com on Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 02:00:38PM -0500 References: <002601c341bd$a4850030$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030704063022.GN2047@techmonkeys.org> <200307041400.39687.cbidler@innominatus.com> Message-ID: <20030704150259.A7130@joelschneider.net> On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 02:00:38PM -0500, Chris Johnson Bidler wrote: > In conclusion, I would just like to say: signal good! Noise bad! Another reason why arguing about Reply-To munging is bad. -- Joel Schneider joel@joelschneider.net Linux makes computing fun again. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Jul 4 15:08:13 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Software Raid In-Reply-To: <20030704124859.A8657@sweetums.ce1.client2.attbi.com> References: <43918.63.137.56.228.1057266302.squirrel@dccmn.com> <20030704124859.A8657@sweetums.ce1.client2.attbi.com> Message-ID: <20030704200813.GC3876@skuld.wookimus.net> On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 12:48:59PM -0500, David Blevins wrote: > If you are just going to use the extra 40gb for on-disk backups, I'd > say forget the RAID-5 and do a RAID-1 with the two 40gb drives. Absolutely. To expand upon that suggestion: IDE Channel 1: 40GB Master, 20GB Slave IDE Channel 2: 40GB Master, Other Slave Mirror the two 40GB drives as masters on separate channels. You may want a small partition on each disk for the initial root, otherwise use the 'fd' partition type for "Linux RAID Autodetect". I would then partition out the RAID device using LVM. Create one volume group for the RAID array, and then dole out Logical volumes for your functional partitions: /usr, /var, /opt, /home. Use your 20GB drive as your scratch drive. For processes that have lots of write operations, a mirrored RAID array will slow you down. You can use the unmirrored disk for things like program compilations or file processing. Use it for an alternative /tmp directory; point your Netscape/Mozilla temp-files cache there; etc. To get the most out of your scratch partitions, I wouldn't even bother with journaled filesystems. Although reiserfs is pretty fast, you could probably get by with an ext2 filesystem w/no reserve blockes for the super-user: # pvcreate /dev/hdb # vgscan; vgcreate --autobackup y vg_scratch /dev/hdb # lvcreate --autobackup y --name lv_scratch --size 20g vg_scratch # mkfs.ext2 -L scratch -m 0 /dev/vg_scratch/lv_scratch # echo "/dev/vg_scratch/lv_scratch /scratch auto defaults 0 2" >> \ /dev/fstab # mkdir /scratch; mount /scratch The scratch drive may also be a good place to put your swap, but remember, if the scratch drive crashes, your kernel may panic. Have fun. ;-) -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Why thank you, it took a lot of thought to come up with something less useful than David's constant djbism ranting, apparently I succeeded. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From STEVEWABC at netscape.net Fri Jul 4 18:37:40 2003 From: STEVEWABC at netscape.net (STEVEWABC@netscape.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] setting up a web server Message-ID: <7A1518A8.47C9D972.026842C8@netscape.net> I'm hoping to start out with my home computer to learn this first and get it working well then I will load up the office server...I can not have that go down do to my learning!!! Here's a little more info you have ask for on the computer.. We are running Libranet2.8 (100% Debian) (What is serving as your firewall? Are you running ipchains or ptables on your linux box? Do you have a router (dsl or cable modem) acting as a firewall? What brand/model? Do you have a router(dsl or cable modem)acting as a firewall? What brand/model?) I have shut down the fire wall now, make what ever is default that it came with sorry. How would I find out? As for the ipchains or ptables I dont no what they are. sorry One I do no yes I'm running Comcast (cable) with a netgear router. "O" 1 last thing ps -aux | grep apache here it is looks like something thats not running? Bad syntax, perhaps a bogus '-'? root 1109 0.0 0.2 3872 1220 ? S Jul03 0:00 /usr/sbin/apache www-data 3078 0.0 0.2 3888 1260 ? S 06:44 0:00 [apache] www-data 3079 0.0 0.2 3888 1260 ? S 06:44 0:00 [apache] www-data 3080 0.0 0.2 3888 1260 ? S 06:44 0:00 [apache] www-data 3081 0.0 0.2 3888 1260 ? S 06:44 0:00 [apache] www-data 3082 0.0 0.2 3888 1260 ? S 06:44 0:00 [apache] root 5199 0.0 0.0 1276 416 pts/0 R 10:28 0:00 grep -i apache The only thing I have done is install Apache,webmin & webmin-apache,Thats it..So now from one of the other posts replays I see I will start to play in the files... But any way this should be more helpful I hope and were I am at this time!!! Tom Penney wrote: >On Fri, 2003-07-04 at 08:09, STEVEWABC@netscape.net wrote: >> I am running a fire wall so I no that I need to forward port 80 to my >> computer ip address or somthing like that how is this done? > >What is serving as your firewall? Are you running ipchains or iptables >on your linux box? Do you have a router (dsl or cable modem) acting as a >firewall? What brand/model? > >Even if you have a web server set up correctly it wont work unless port >80 traffic can get though to your linux machine. > >-- >Tom Penney > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Fri Jul 4 23:35:08 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] setting up a web server References: <7A1518A8.47C9D972.026842C8@netscape.net> Message-ID: <000801c342ae$d05f38f0$0201a8c0@brinstar> STEVEWABC@netscape.net writes: > The only thing I have done is install Apache,webmin & > webmin-apache,Thats it..So now from one of the other posts replays I > see I will start to play in the files... But any way this should be > more helpful I hope and were I am at this time!!! You might have more luck with a simpler web server such as Boa, thttpd or publicfile. Apache's configuration is very complex compared to other HTTP servers (even Zeus). With the three servers I listed, you simply tell them the IP address, port and document root directory. No need to mess with other stuff. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Sat Jul 5 01:31:47 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] setting up a web server In-Reply-To: <7A1518A8.47C9D972.026842C8@netscape.net> References: <7A1518A8.47C9D972.026842C8@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1057386707.14254.80.camel@lotsa> On Fri, 2003-07-04 at 18:37, STEVEWABC@netscape.net wrote: > I have shut down the fire wall now, make what ever is default that > it came with sorry. How would I find out? I'm not sure what the default firewall is with Libranet2.8 but if you shut it down you don't have one running. Thats good for now, you might want to set that up later. > One I do no yes I'm running Comcast (cable) with a netgear router. Cool. It's probably a netgear CM212? Is it connected to your computer with an Ethernet network cable or a usb cable? Do you have more than this one computer hooked up to the internet in your house? IF you have the Netgear CM212 Model Cable modem and no other router or other networked computers at your house you should be good to go. From the looks of your "ps -aux |grep apache" command apache is running. If it was not running you wouldn't have those lines. So you should be getting something, like a test page, when you connect to your computer from a web browser. Try connecting now like you did before by opening up the browser and going to http://127.0.0.1/ If this works you should be able to get the same page from another machine anywhere on the internet by using your ip address instead of 127.0.0.1. You can figure out what your ip address is with the command "/sbin/ifconfig" you should get something like this: eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:20:F4:1D:78:F8 inet addr:123.123.123.123 Bcast:123.123.123.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 The inet addr: would be your internet ip address > So now from one of the other posts replays I see I will start to play > in the files... But any way this should be more helpful I hope and > were I am at this time!!! Right. If you get a test page apache is working. Now you can go ahead and configure it like Garret explained in his post. Edit httpd.conf and restart apache Also figure out how to configure your firewall to allow only port 80 traffic from the internet. You are kind of naked right now with no firewall. I think your cable modem is only acting as a bridge to the internet which offers no protection. good luck, -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From STEVEWABC at netscape.net Sat Jul 5 11:02:06 2003 From: STEVEWABC at netscape.net (STEVEWABC@netscape.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] setting up a web server Message-ID: <61A7C541.735ACC97.026842C8@netscape.net> Part 1 Ok when I was in /etc/apache/httpd.conf I found this: # Note: You cannot just invent host names and hope they work. The name you # define here must be a valid DNS name for your host. If you don't understand # this, ask your network administrator. # If your host doesn't have a registered DNS name, enter its IP address here. # You will have to access it by its address (e.g., http://123.45.67.89/) # anyway, and this will make redirections work in a sensible way. # #ServerName new.host.name # # DocumentRoot: The directory out of which you will serve your # documents. By default, all requests are taken from this directory, but # symbolic links and aliases may be used to point to other locations. # DocumentRoot /var/www 1. I see its telling me I need a DNS host name How do I get this? Is it tme now to set this up? 2. Once I have a new DNS host name then I would change the following from #ServerName new.host.name to ServerName steven.what Every DNS Gives.net:80? ( this may help? when pullin up the Webmin page I used https://steven:10000 so the host name is steven right? and so you no my IP Address is 192.168.0.2) 3. I just was hit with this YOU MUST have a ststic ip address for others to view your webpage my ? is WHATS THIS lolol I think thats good for now lets get though the https first... gkrueger wrote: >Web servers are actually pretty easy. In the file: > /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf (or wherever the httpd.conf file is located >on your system), you need to activate (remove the pound or semicolon >sign) a couple of lines. > >ServerName hostname.domainname.com:80 >DocumentRoot "/var/www/html" > >Now, the first line you replace with either your IP address of your >server followed by the :80 OR use the domain name of your machine and >server; for example: linux1.dell.com:80 > >The second line tells the location where you will place your .html >files. It may already be uncommented. > >Finally, you need to start the web server service: > /etc/rc.d/init.d/httpd start > >This will be enough to get your web server working, but to access it by >domain name, you will also need to be running DNS as a service, AND your >registered domain name will need to be pointing to your DNS server to >resolve the address. This is probably a step beyond where you are now. > >Garrett > __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From deschiff at winternet.com Sat Jul 5 11:00:02 2003 From: deschiff at winternet.com (David Schiff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Zaurus rom-flash at Installafest Message-ID: <1057420802.1073.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Could I get help installing Open Zaurus OS on my Z? I have tried about six times w/o any luck and my wife formatted my backup cf card for the camera! I could bring my Z and Memorex USB card reader and cf card to the installafest and possibly get some tips on USB on Linux? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Sat Jul 5 12:01:21 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] setting up a web server In-Reply-To: <61A7C541.735ACC97.026842C8@netscape.net> References: <61A7C541.735ACC97.026842C8@netscape.net> Message-ID: <20030705120121.6ef92aa7.sfertch@real-time.com> On Sat, 05 Jul 2003 12:02:06 -0400 STEVEWABC@netscape.net wrote: > 1. I see its telling me I need a DNS host name How do I get this? Is > it tme now to set this up? > > 2. Once I have a new DNS host name then I would change the following > from #ServerName new.host.name to ServerName steven.what Every DNS > Gives.net:80? > ( this may help? when pullin up the Webmin page I used > https://steven:10000 so the host name is steven right? and so you > no my IP Address is 192.168.0.2) > 3. I just was hit with this YOU MUST have a ststic ip address for > others to view your webpage my ? is WHATS THIS lolol > Technically, no you don't need a static IP address. Try changing your IP address entries to an * and you could do. I've run websites off DHCP internally before and it works, but it makes life easier to use static IP's. If it's an external website you want to do, and you have DHCP, I'd recommend using dyndns.org or something similar. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Sat Jul 5 12:11:40 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] setting up a web server In-Reply-To: <61A7C541.735ACC97.026842C8@netscape.net> References: <61A7C541.735ACC97.026842C8@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1057425100.14254.108.camel@lotsa> Are you trolling?. You should be trying to look up this stuff before asking the group. Here are some good resources. http://google.com http://dictionary.com http://wombat.doc.ic.ac.uk/foldoc/ On Sat, 2003-07-05 at 11:02, STEVEWABC@netscape.net wrote: > > 1. I see its telling me I need a DNS host name How do I get this? Is > it tme now to set this up? You should just use your IP address as it says. If you want your own domain name you have to get one from a registrar. You can get one here. http://www.networksolutions.com Heres a list of companies where you can purchase a domain name. http://www.internic.net/regist.html once you have a domain name you need to have someone host your DNS. > 2. Once I have a new DNS host name then I would change the following > from #ServerName new.host.name to ServerName steven.what Every DNS > Gives.net:80? > ( this may help? when pullin up the Webmin page I used > https://steven:10000 so the host name is steven right? No. Steven might be your host name but it is not a DNS host name. a DNS host name would be something like steven.stevensdomain.com or www.stevensdomain.com > and so you no my IP Address is 192.168.0.2) If your address is 192.168.0.2 then you still have to set up your router. What model NetGear router do you have? > 3. I just was hit with this YOU MUST have a ststic ip address for > others to view your webpage my ? is WHATS THIS lolol You don't have one. Do You know what an IP address is? Static means It does not change. > > I think thats good for now lets get though the https first... You only need to change the lines that Garret told you to change. -- Tom Penney <- Troll bait? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Sat Jul 5 12:23:10 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Zaurus rom-flash at Installafest In-Reply-To: <1057420802.1073.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1057420802.1073.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20030705172310.GA14275@fandre.com> On Sat, 05 Jul 2003, David Schiff wrote: > Could I get help installing Open Zaurus OS on my Z? > I have tried about six times w/o any luck and my wife formatted my > backup cf card for the camera! > Did you follow the directions? http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/content/installguide Please provide more info so I can help diagnose your problem. > I could bring my Z and Memorex USB card reader and cf card to the > installafest and possibly get some tips on USB on Linux? I won't be there, but I have gotten it connected to both RH9 and Debian without any problems. I also can connect to it via irda w/ my laptop. If only there were better syncing apps for Linux/gnome. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewbaka at toughguy.net Sat Jul 5 12:48:18 2003 From: chewbaka at toughguy.net (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] setting up a web server In-Reply-To: <61A7C541.735ACC97.026842C8@netscape.net> References: <61A7C541.735ACC97.026842C8@netscape.net> Message-ID: <18154502981.20030705124818@toughguy.net> Saturday, July 5, 2003 @ 12:40:59 PM Central Standard Time Snn> 1. I see its telling me I need a DNS host name How do I get this? Is it tme now to set this up? I run several servers with a dynamic IP. I use the following: http://www.dyndns.org/ & http://www.ods.org/ Both the above handle my dns. My firewall is setup to update the above services when my ip changes. That's it. With this setup you don't need to run your own dns server if you don't want. If you search google for dynamic dns you'll find a bunch of dynamic dns services... Lot's of them are free too. Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars West Longitude 90' 15' 43" http://b-o-b.homelinux.com mailto:chewbaka@toughguy.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From STEVEWABC at netscape.net Sat Jul 5 13:40:32 2003 From: STEVEWABC at netscape.net (STEVEWABC@netscape.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] setting up a web server Message-ID: <4E09F2FE.5E7C1410.026842C8@netscape.net> Thank you Tom I didnt even think about that!!! going there next I will say this you all are teaching me shit load and thank you I just got off the phone with comcast and there telling me that my ip address could change day by day that not going to work!!!..... So I think I will be looking for a new internet provider that has statsic ip adress. Unless you no of another way.. and I do need 3 domain names for if someone go's to google and types mn siding contractors I should POP up or I hope.. But for now we will move forward and keep learn... If your address is 192.168.0.2 then you still have to set up your router. What model NetGear router do you have? 1. Comcast.net came with a RCA box model DCM245 which is hook to my NetGrear router model RP614 from best buy there are to other computers on it.. 2. sorry I did no what a static ip was, just that someone said It was a must for others to see your site .. 3. just got a post by robert saying he's got his firewall to up date the ip when it changes and using dyndns.org. I will look hard it that thank you ... 4. I got the ip address by running ifconfig that gave me inet addr:192.168.0.2 so this may not be correct..if not that puts me lost again now its time for GOOGLES thank you Steve Tom Penney wrote: >Are you trolling?. You should be trying to look up this stuff before >asking the group. Here are some good resources. > >http://google.com >http://dictionary.com >http://wombat.doc.ic.ac.uk/foldoc/ > > >On Sat, 2003-07-05 at 11:02, STEVEWABC@netscape.net wrote: >> >> 1. I see its telling me I need a DNS host name How do I get this? Is >> it tme now to set this up? > >You should just use your IP address as it says. > >If you want your own domain name you have to get one from a registrar. >You can get one here. > >http://www.networksolutions.com > >Heres a list of companies where you can purchase a domain name. >http://www.internic.net/regist.html > >once you have a domain name you need to have someone host your DNS. > >> 2. Once I have a new DNS host name then I would change the following >> from #ServerName new.host.name to ServerName steven.what Every DNS >> Gives.net:80? >> ( this may help? when pullin up the Webmin page I used >> https://steven:10000 so the host name is steven right? > >No. Steven might be your host name but it is not a DNS host name. a DNS >host name would be something like steven.stevensdomain.com or >www.stevensdomain.com > >> and so you no my IP Address is 192.168.0.2) > >If your address is 192.168.0.2 then you still have to set up your >router. What model NetGear router do you have? > >> 3. I just was hit with this YOU MUST have a ststic ip address for >> others to view your webpage my ? is WHATS THIS lolol > >You don't have one. Do You know what an IP address is? Static means It >does not change. > >> >> I think thats good for now lets get though the https first... > >You only need to change the lines that Garret told you to change. > >-- >Tom Penney <- Troll bait? > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bec at fifthrun.com Sat Jul 5 14:19:28 2003 From: bec at fifthrun.com (Bruce Edward Castro) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] it's down... Message-ID: <000001c3432a$5b618130$320aa8c0@Fifthrun> I had a fresh install of Red Hat 9.0. Installed Snort using guide on snort.org site. After hours of configuring I re-booted. "An error occurred during the file system check"... Couldn't open /proc/partititons: No such file or directory is /proc mounted? Anyone have ideas? I'm new to Linux.Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030705/688153cc/attachment.htm From waynej at dccmn.com Sat Jul 5 15:21:19 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] setting up a web server In-Reply-To: <4E09F2FE.5E7C1410.026842C8@netscape.net> References: <4E09F2FE.5E7C1410.026842C8@netscape.net> Message-ID: <2898.192.1.1.23.1057436479.squirrel@dccmn.com> Check out dyndns.org. They have a way to establish a dns name even when your IP address changes daily. > Thank you Tom > I didnt even think about that!!! going there next > I will say this you all are teaching me shit load and thank you > > I just got off the phone with comcast and there telling me that my ip > address could change day by day that not going to work!!!..... So I > think I will be looking for a new internet provider that has statsic ip > adress. Unless you no of another way.. and I do need 3 domain names for > if someone go's to google and types mn siding contractors I should POP > up or I hope.. But for now we will move forward and keep learn... > > If your address is 192.168.0.2 then you still have to set up your > router. What model NetGear router do you have? > > 1. Comcast.net came with a RCA box model DCM245 which is hook to my > NetGrear router model RP614 from best buy there are to other computers > on it.. 2. sorry I did no what a static ip was, just that someone said > It was a must for others to see your site .. 3. just got a post by > robert saying he's got his firewall to up date the ip when it changes > and using dyndns.org. I will look hard it that thank you ... 4. I got > the ip address by running ifconfig that gave me inet addr:192.168.0.2 so > this may not be correct..if not that puts me lost again > > now its time for GOOGLES > > thank you > Steve > > > > > > > > Tom Penney wrote: > >>Are you trolling?. You should be trying to look up this stuff before >> asking the group. Here are some good resources. >> >>http://google.com >>http://dictionary.com >>http://wombat.doc.ic.ac.uk/foldoc/ >> >> >>On Sat, 2003-07-05 at 11:02, STEVEWABC@netscape.net wrote: >>> >>> 1. I see its telling me I need a DNS host name How do I get this? Is >>> it tme now to set this up? >> >>You should just use your IP address as it says. >> >>If you want your own domain name you have to get one from a registrar. >> You can get one here. >> >>http://www.networksolutions.com >> >>Heres a list of companies where you can purchase a domain name. >>http://www.internic.net/regist.html >> >>once you have a domain name you need to have someone host your DNS. >> >>> 2. Once I have a new DNS host name then I would change the following >>> from #ServerName new.host.name to ServerName steven.what Every DNS >>> Gives.net:80? >>> ( this may help? when pullin up the Webmin page I used >>> https://steven:10000 so the host name is steven right? >> >>No. Steven might be your host name but it is not a DNS host name. a DNS >> host name would be something like steven.stevensdomain.com or >>www.stevensdomain.com >> >>> and so you no my IP Address is 192.168.0.2) >> >>If your address is 192.168.0.2 then you still have to set up your >> router. What model NetGear router do you have? >> >>> 3. I just was hit with this YOU MUST have a ststic ip address for >>> others to view your webpage my ? is WHATS THIS lolol >> >>You don't have one. Do You know what an IP address is? Static means It >> does not change. >> >>> >>> I think thats good for now lets get though the https first... >> >>You only need to change the lines that Garret told you to change. >> >>-- >>Tom Penney <- Troll bait? >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > __________________________________________________________________ > McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. > Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial > today! > http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 > > Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! > http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seansax01 at hotmail.com Tue Jul 1 16:25:14 2003 From: seansax01 at hotmail.com (seanzilla) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I need RedHat 9 cd's will someone copy and I will give the cd-rw's? Message-ID: Will someone copy the RedHat 9 distro cd's and I will give them the cd-rw's they used to do it. I only have a 56k and im broke so any help would be greatly appreaciated. by the way I will pick it up, I live in St. Paul and my name is Sean (aka dcgamer,seanzilla) and my number is 651-774-7342. please give me a call if you can help out. thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I loaded Open Zaurus for a try out and decided to go back to the base Sharp ROM image, as that worked better for me. That's just a warning that I've not done much with OpenZ. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From larrychisholm at comcast.net Sat Jul 5 18:32:46 2003 From: larrychisholm at comcast.net (Larry Chisholm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] I need RedHat 9 cd's will someone copy and I will give the cd-rw's? References: Message-ID: <3F07601E.000001.00880@home-3bqy5ht5fr> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sat Jul 5 21:28:19 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Is this supported by linux? References: <371C1623.525ABC08.026842C8@netscape.net> Message-ID: <001b01c34366$43714dd0$0201a8c0@brinstar> STEVEWABC@netscape.net writes: > My web pages was done with iis and net frame work are they supported > here? No. > if not how would I go about changing over linux base without > redoing everything? You don't. Learn PHP or Python. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Sat Jul 5 21:39:03 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Is this supported by linux? In-Reply-To: <001b01c34366$43714dd0$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <371C1623.525ABC08.026842C8@netscape.net> <001b01c34366$43714dd0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20030705213903.18fd2c53.sfertch@real-time.com> On Sat, 5 Jul 2003 21:28:19 -0500 "David Phillips" wrote: > STEVEWABC@netscape.net writes: > > My web pages was done with iis and net frame work are they supported > > here? > > No. > > > if not how would I go about changing over linux base without > > redoing everything? > > You don't. Learn PHP or Python. > Is there an Apache module that would allow it? Kinda like how there's a module to support FrontPage features... Just a thought, as I think I heard something about a project like that somewhere. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Jul 5 21:49:39 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Is this supported by linux? In-Reply-To: <20030705213903.18fd2c53.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <371C1623.525ABC08.026842C8@netscape.net> <001b01c34366$43714dd0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030705213903.18fd2c53.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030706024939.GQ2047@techmonkeys.org> > Is there an Apache module that would allow it? Kinda like how there's a module to support FrontPage features... > > Just a thought, as I think I heard something about a project like that somewhere. You're thinking of Mono http://www.go-mono.com/ -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From STEVEWABC at netscape.net Sat Jul 5 22:02:22 2003 From: STEVEWABC at netscape.net (STEVEWABC@netscape.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Is this supported by linux? Message-ID: <3BCCF721.7A8048F7.026842C8@netscape.net> "David Phillips" wrote: HAAAAA thats SUCKS!!!!!! shit!!!! learning thats not what the hell I wanted to here..That all I have been doing!!! what the hell!!! Here goes another 200 Hrs down the shiter!!!!! >STEVEWABC@netscape.net writes: >> My web pages was done with iis and net frame work are they supported >> here? > >No. > >> if not how would I go about changing over linux base without >> redoing everything? > >You don't. Learn PHP or Python. > >-- >David Phillips >http://david.acz.org/ > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Sat Jul 5 22:45:25 2003 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Is this supported by linux? In-Reply-To: <3BCCF721.7A8048F7.026842C8@netscape.net> References: <3BCCF721.7A8048F7.026842C8@netscape.net> Message-ID: <20030706034525.GA15655@iucha.net> On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 11:02:22PM -0400, STEVEWABC@netscape.net wrote: > HAAAAA thats SUCKS!!!!!! shit!!!! learning thats not what the hell I wanted to here..That all I have been doing!!! what the hell!!! Here goes another 200 Hrs down the shiter!!!!! > >STEVEWABC@netscape.net writes: > >> My web pages was done with iis and net frame work are they supported > >> here? That will teach you to use proprietary technologies. florin -- "NT is to UNIX what a doughnut is to a particle accelerator." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030705/2b777bd6/attachment.pgp From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Sun Jul 6 08:40:38 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Is this supported by linux? In-Reply-To: <3BCCF721.7A8048F7.026842C8@netscape.net> References: <3BCCF721.7A8048F7.026842C8@netscape.net> Message-ID: <20030706134038.GA9065@mail.el-swifto.com> On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 11:02:22PM -0400, STEVEWABC@netscape.net wrote: > HAAAAA thats SUCKS!!!!!! shit!!!! learning thats not what the hell I > wanted to here..That all I have been doing!!! what the hell!!! Here > goes another 200 Hrs down the shiter!!!!! I can't stop you from using foul language like that here, but I can sure stop your messages from reaching my inbox. *PLONK* J -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Sun Jul 6 08:50:56 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Is this supported by linux? In-Reply-To: <3BCCF721.7A8048F7.026842C8@netscape.net> Message-ID: On Saturday, Jul 5, 2003, at 22:02 US/Central, STEVEWABC@netscape.net wrote: > HAAAAA thats SUCKS!!!!!! shit!!!! learning thats not what the hell I > wanted to here..That all I have been doing!!! what the hell!!! Here > goes another 200 Hrs down the shiter!!!!! Then you're using the wrong OS. Put your PC back in the box and take it back to where you bought it from. Its clear to me that you don't deserve to use it. Stop whining and RTFM. -- Ben Lutgens System Administrator US Admins, Inc _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Sun Jul 6 08:53:08 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Is this supported by linux? In-Reply-To: <20030706134038.GA9065@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <2CFA11B9-AFB9-11D7-B030-000393B94258@us-admins.com> On Sunday, Jul 6, 2003, at 08:40 US/Central, John J. Trammell wrote: > On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 11:02:22PM -0400, STEVEWABC@netscape.net wrote: >> HAAAAA thats SUCKS!!!!!! shit!!!! learning thats not what the hell I >> wanted to here..That all I have been doing!!! what the hell!!! Here >> goes another 200 Hrs down the shiter!!!!! > > I can't stop you from using foul language like that here, > but I can sure stop your messages from reaching my inbox. by foul language do you mean malformed sentences, horrific grammar, and child-like spelling? His posts are a good source of humor for me. I for one hope he continues to post as I need to laugh every now and then. > > *PLONK* > > J > > -- > trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA > 36F5 > Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Ben Lutgens System Administrator, Server Wizard, Email Guru US Admins, Inc _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Sun Jul 6 09:22:22 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Is this supported by linux? In-Reply-To: <2CFA11B9-AFB9-11D7-B030-000393B94258@us-admins.com> References: <20030706134038.GA9065@mail.el-swifto.com> <2CFA11B9-AFB9-11D7-B030-000393B94258@us-admins.com> Message-ID: <20030706142222.GA9863@mail.el-swifto.com> On Sun, Jul 06, 2003 at 08:53:08AM -0500, Ben Lutgens wrote: > by foul language do you mean malformed sentences, horrific grammar, and > child-like spelling? His posts are a good source of humor for me. I for > one hope he continues to post as I need to laugh every now and then. > Some apparently enjoy watching TCLUG turning into a potty-mouthed teenage boy locker room conversation. For the record, I don't. And just for you, Ben, I'm giving a big virtual "thumbs up" to all those great Open Source developers out there. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From STEVEWABC at netscape.net Sun Jul 6 09:46:15 2003 From: STEVEWABC at netscape.net (STEVEWABC@netscape.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Is this supported by linux? Message-ID: <07D1F123.768AFB08.026842C8@netscape.net> I'm sorry for that it wont happen again or should I say today.. Lets move forward now, going back to ms is not a option. which is better PHP or Python? If there is someone out there that needs some extra income that no's PHP and Python please e-mail me... I need my site back up by Fri. "John J. Trammell" wrote: >On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 11:02:22PM -0400, STEVEWABC@netscape.net wrote: >> HAAAAA thats SUCKS!!!!!! shit!!!! learning thats not what the hell I >> wanted to here..That all I have been doing!!! what the hell!!! Here >> goes another 200 Hrs down the shiter!!!!! > >I can't stop you from using foul language like that here, >but I can sure stop your messages from reaching my inbox. > >*PLONK* > >J > >-- >trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 >Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at mtu.net Sun Jul 6 10:59:21 2003 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Is this supported by linux? In-Reply-To: <371C1623.525ABC08.026842C8@netscape.net> References: <371C1623.525ABC08.026842C8@netscape.net> Message-ID: <16136.18265.573844.822117@workstation.mn.mtu.net> My first question for you here would be, do you want it to support Linux web browsers or Linux on the server? It's likely that you can support Linux web browsers just fine. However to use Linux on the server you'll want to use something more standard and open like perl/cgi or Java/jsp, which will run on both Linux and Windows. Converting asp to jsp isn't all that bad and there is an apache module for handling asp, although I don't believe it supports the net framework. >>>>> "S" == STEVEWABC writes: S> My web pages was done with iis and net frame work are they supported here? if not how would I go about changing over linux base without redoing everything? S> __________________________________________________________________ S> McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. S> Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! S> http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 S> Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! S> http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 S> _______________________________________________ S> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota S> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org S> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From caveman at cyclox.com Sun Jul 6 10:24:09 2003 From: caveman at cyclox.com (jeffrey l koehn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Is this supported by linux? In-Reply-To: <20030705213903.18fd2c53.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <371C1623.525ABC08.026842C8@netscape.net> <001b01c34366$43714dd0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030705213903.18fd2c53.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: asp2php converter: http://www.asp2php.com/ ---------------------------------------cyclox On Saturday 05 July 2003 09:39 pm, you wrote: > On Sat, 5 Jul 2003 21:28:19 -0500 > > "David Phillips" wrote: > > STEVEWABC@netscape.net writes: > > > My web pages was done with iis and net frame work are they > > > supported here? > > > > No. > > > > > if not how would I go about changing over linux base without > > > redoing everything? > > > > You don't. Learn PHP or Python. > > Is there an Apache module that would allow it? Kinda like how > there's a module to support FrontPage features... > > Just a thought, as I think I heard something about a project like > that somewhere. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sun Jul 6 08:27:28 2003 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (webmaster@mn-linux.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A new classified ad at TCLUG Classifieds Message-ID: <200307061327.h66DRSc11222@crusader.real-time.com> A new TCLUG classified ad at was placed Sun Jul 6 08:27:28 2003. Name: John G. Category: free Subject: Free 486's Ad: If anyone still uses 486's for routers, firewalls, or whatever, I have several to give away. All work good and are Linux friendly. Could bring to the installfest Tues. Remove the \ To view this and other ads at TCLUG Classifieds, please visit: http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jamesmasters at comcast.net Sat Jul 5 19:57:26 2003 From: jamesmasters at comcast.net (Jim Masters) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: I need RedHat 9 cd's will someone copy and I will give the cd-rw's? References: <20030705220214.9945.71728.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: <000d01c34359$91bb56f0$0501000a@wrkstn1> I have the 3CD Binary set, you can come pick them up for free. I live in Little Canada, let me know. Jim _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sun Jul 6 08:31:16 2003 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (webmaster@mn-linux.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A new classified ad at TCLUG Classifieds Message-ID: <200307061331.h66DVGS11245@crusader.real-time.com> A new TCLUG classified ad at was placed Sun Jul 6 08:31:16 2003. Name: John G. Category: free Subject: Free 486's Ad: If anyone still uses 486's for routers, firewalls, or whatever, I have several to give away. All work good. Could bring to the installfest Tues. Remove the "not" to reply. To view this and other ads at TCLUG Classifieds, please visit: http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Sun Jul 6 11:54:38 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Is this supported by linux? In-Reply-To: <3BCCF721.7A8048F7.026842C8@netscape.net> References: <3BCCF721.7A8048F7.026842C8@netscape.net> Message-ID: <20030706165438.GA31624@skuld.wookimus.net> On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 11:02:22PM -0400, STEVEWABC@netscape.net wrote: > Here goes another 200 Hrs ... OK. Settle down for a minute. You're trying to use the crappy ASP notation that IIS uses with a .NET framework, right? If you want to continue using this setup, you will need to do a little research. I don't know much about .NET, but as someone suggested earlier, there is the Mono project, and it looks like they've created an ASP.NET solution (http://www.go-mono.com/asp-net) for use with Apache (http://www.apache.org). This may be your best Free Software solution, and certainly the only one that implements C#. ChiliSoft (http://www.chilisoft.com) -- now Sun ONE Active Server Pages 4.0 -- is a commercial product that may save you your 200+ hours of work. If you don't want to pay money (List Price: $495.00) for your project, then you need to look into Open Source and Free Software solutions. As to the differences between PHP, Python, and Perl, PHP is a server-side scripting language designed specifically for serving web pages. It has a low overhead to learn how to use it, and most ISP's and Linux distributions support it "out of the box". Python and Perl are actual programming languages that did not start out for Web CGI or scripting. They started out as honest-to-goodness application programming languages. They each have vastly different histories and methodologies, and they have an equally religious following. Python and Perl require CGI libraries or application server frameworks to serve pages, but they can be more flexible than PHP. If you want to write applications that don't involve the Internet, consider learning Python (my favorite) or Perl. Here are a few projects to consider: * PHP: http://www.php.net Although PHP understands the basic ASP markup "", you will need to alter the actual programming language from Visual Basic Scripting to PHP. It's not a signigicant change, so don't freak out about refactoring your programs. * http://www.apache-asp.org/ "Apache::ASP provides an Active Server Pages port to the Apache Web Server with Perl scripting only..." This may or may not be what you're looking for. Again, you may have to change your programming/scripting language to Perl instead of VBScript or JScript. * http://spyce.sourceforge.net/ "SPYCE is a server-side language that supports simple and efficient Python-based dynamic HTML generation. Those who are familiar with JSP, PHP, or ASP and like Python, should have a look at Spyce. Its modular design makes it very flexible and extensible. It can also be used as a command-line utility for static text pre-processing or as a web-server proxy." Now, there are at least three different "Python Server Pages" projects out there. If you're looking for a pure Python solution, look at the following link. This version of PSP runs on top of an application server called "Webware for Python". Unfortunately, this has a bit of a knowledge barrier for new Python programmers. You have to learn a lot to deploy this setup. * http://webware.sourceforge.net/Webware-0.7/PSP/Docs/ " A Python Server Page (or PSP) is an HTML document with interspersed Python instructions that are interpreted to generate dynamic content. PSP is analogous to PHP, Microsoft's ASP and Sun's JSP. PSP sits on top of (and requires) WebKit and therefore benefits from its features." Now, I haven't mentioned Zope (http://www.zope.org) yet, but I certainly should. Zope uses it's own markup languages, DHTML and TAL. Both are very cool and have a very low knowledge barrier to use. Zope installs much cleaner than Webware and it has lots of binary packages out there (Redhat, Debian, etc.). Check it out if you're curious. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In case you don't know the URL: http://www.google.com If you're really haX0R material, try: http://www.google.com/search?q=+ -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Sun Jul 6 12:53:58 2003 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Is this supported by linux? In-Reply-To: <20030706165438.GA31624@skuld.wookimus.net> References: <3BCCF721.7A8048F7.026842C8@netscape.net> <20030706165438.GA31624@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <200307061253.59026.jack@jacku.com> On Sunday 06 July 2003 11:54 am, Chad Walstrom wrote: > Now, I haven't mentioned Zope (http://www.zope.org) yet, but I certainly > should. Zope uses it's own markup languages, DHTML and TAL. Both are > very cool and have a very low knowledge barrier to use. Zope installs > much cleaner than Webware and it has lots of binary packages out there > (Redhat, Debian, etc.). Check it out if you're curious. Well you did and now I'm going to say a little more... More so than just prepackaged binaries for the various distros are the tools that one can get via zope.org and/or sourceforge to get your site up and running in a short period of time. Since this is NOT the Zope mailing list I'll be glad to take the discussion off list. But if you need to rebuild in a hurry Zope is a great choice. Jack [Disclaimer: I teach Zope, Python, and other classes at a local Career College.] -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Sun Jul 6 12:59:58 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Is this supported by linux? In-Reply-To: <07D1F123.768AFB08.026842C8@netscape.net> References: <07D1F123.768AFB08.026842C8@netscape.net> Message-ID: <20030706175958.GA15011@mail.el-swifto.com> On Sun, Jul 06, 2003 at 10:46:15AM -0400, STEVEWABC@netscape.net wrote: > I'm sorry for that it wont happen again or should I say today.. Lets > move forward now, going back to ms is not a option. I'm sorry too--I flamed when I should have counted to 10. That makes me somthing of a hypocrite... > which is better PHP or Python? > That's like asking which is better, a hammer or a ratchet set. What do your IIS pages do? Once we know what you need to get done we can all get in a big argument about the best tools to do it with. :-) -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joe at rekomstop.com Sun Jul 6 15:59:46 2003 From: joe at rekomstop.com (joe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] it's down... References: <000001c3432a$5b618130$320aa8c0@Fifthrun> Message-ID: <001d01c34401$8848bbf0$0200a8c0@jesse> See if you can boot into rescue mode and check for an entry for proc in /etc/fstab none /proc proc defaults 0 0 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Edward Castro To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 12:19 PM Subject: [TCLUG] it's down... I had a fresh install of Red Hat 9.0. Installed Snort using guide on snort.org site. After hours of configuring I re-booted. "An error occurred during the file system check"... Couldn't open /proc/partititons: No such file or directory is /proc mounted? Anyone have ideas? I'm new to Linux.Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030706/5b696e56/attachment.htm From joe at rekomstop.com Sun Jul 6 16:09:48 2003 From: joe at rekomstop.com (joe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] it's down... References: <000001c3432a$5b618130$320aa8c0@Fifthrun> <001d01c34401$8848bbf0$0200a8c0@jesse> Message-ID: <002701c34402$eee78700$0200a8c0@jesse> Sorry about html message ----- Original Message ----- From: joe To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] it's down... See if you can boot into rescue mode and check for an entry for proc in /etc/fstab none /proc proc defaults 0 0 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Edward Castro To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 12:19 PM Subject: [TCLUG] it's down... I had a fresh install of Red Hat 9.0. Installed Snort using guide on snort.org site. After hours of configuring I re-booted. "An error occurred during the file system check"... Couldn't open /proc/partititons: No such file or directory is /proc mounted? Anyone have ideas? I'm new to Linux.Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030706/cc595357/attachment.html From STEVEWABC at netscape.net Sun Jul 6 15:52:24 2003 From: STEVEWABC at netscape.net (STEVEWABC@netscape.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Is this supported by linux? Message-ID: <5BC71922.0979A964.026842C8@netscape.net> Part 1 Ok everyone set back and smile :) lets have some fun!!! lets cover this first for John did make a good point here, what i'm I doing with my Web page: The web page well be link to a data Base,and Will have a page in there for e-mailing me for a est. or info, with links to other sites as well.On other thing there will be Graphics also..Now with this what should I look at PHP or What? Hope that helps.. Part 2 I have made up A short page to host for now from Open office Web Page.. I have also put in orders for My Domain names and DNS from dyndns.org Should have it in 1 or 2 Days. With that all said now dont kill me here because we need to back track a little..lol the problem I think is here with the httpd.conf. will you please look at it and tell me what I did rong: Sorry for going back to that, I thought I had it down.. Now here is part of my httpd.conf and hope the right part. ____________________________________________________ # Note: You cannot just invent host names and hope they work. The name you # define here must be a valid DNS name for your host. If you don't understand # this, ask your network administrator. # If your host doesn't have a registered DNS name, enter its IP address here. # You will have to access it by its address (e.g., http://123.45.67.89/) # anyway, and this will make redirections work in a sensible way. # #ServerName new.host.name ServerName http://24.118.46.25:80 # # DocumentRoot: The directory out of which you will serve your # documents. By default, all requests are taken from this directory, but # symbolic links and aliases may be used to point to other locations. # DocumentRoot /var/www/ # # Each directory to which Apache has access, can be configured with respect # to which services and features are allowed and/or disabled in that # directory (and its subdirectories). # # First, we configure the "default" to be a very restrictive set of # permissions. # Options SymLinksIfOwnerMatch AllowOverride None # # Note that from this point forward you must specifically allow # particular features to be enabled - so if something's not working as # you might expect, make sure that you have specifically enabled it # below. # # # This should be changed to whatever you set DocumentRoot to. # Directory /var/www/schofield.html ___________________________________________ I do have a Web page here: Directory /var/www/schofield.html THANKS Again Everyone __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From seansax01 at hotmail.com Sun Jul 6 16:17:54 2003 From: seansax01 at hotmail.com (Sean Sax) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DWL-650+ with redhat 8 problems. Message-ID: anyone have any info on getting the DWL-650+ wireless pcmcia card working in redhat 8? I installed the acx100 binary drivers and It says that a acx100sta device does not seem to be present. Any help would be greatly appreciated this is my last step to get rid of micro$oft from my life. Please help I have been trying for weeks and read all the how to's and all the info i could find. also I am going to be bringing my laptop with RedHat 8 on it, all the info I could find on getting this card working, my DWL-650+ wireless card, my DI-614 wireless router , to the installfest on july, 8. If anyone know anything about this or getting wireless cards working in linux my name is Sean Sax and my phone is 651-774-7342, hope to see you at the installfest. thank you. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sun Jul 6 16:22:41 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Is this supported by linux? References: <5BC71922.0979A964.026842C8@netscape.net> Message-ID: <005701c34404$bbd4cfb0$0201a8c0@brinstar> STEVEWABC@netscape.net writes: > The web page well be link to a data Base,and Will have a page in > there for e-mailing me for a est. or info, with links to other sites > as well.On other thing there will be Graphics also..Now with this > what should I look at PHP or What? Hope that helps.. You can easily do all of this in PHP. The easiest way to start is to read through the online manual and try out the examples. PHP has excellent documentation. I have a couple of libraries that you might find useful: http://david.maridia.com/lib/mysql.phps http://david.maridia.com/lib/misc.phps > #ServerName new.host.name > ServerName http://24.118.46.25:80 That is a (partial) URL, not a hostname. It should look like this, just like the comment indicates: ServerName 24.118.46.25 > DocumentRoot /var/www/ > > # > # This should be changed to whatever you set DocumentRoot to. > # > Directory /var/www/schofield.html Try reading the comments. They provide useful information. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sun Jul 6 17:28:24 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DWL-650+ with redhat 8 problems. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 6 Jul 2003, Sean Sax wrote: > anyone have any info on getting the DWL-650+ wireless pcmcia card working in > redhat 8? I installed the acx100 binary drivers and It says that a > acx100sta device does not seem to be present. Any help would be greatly > appreciated this is my last step to get rid of micro$oft from my life. > Please help I have been trying for weeks and read all the how to's and all > the info i could find. also I am going to be bringing my laptop with RedHat > 8 on it, all the info I could find on getting this card working, my DWL-650+ > wireless card, my DI-614 wireless router , to the installfest on july, 8. > If anyone know anything about this or getting wireless cards working in > linux my name is Sean Sax and my phone is 651-774-7342, hope to see you at > the installfest. thank you. iirc this card never worked right for me on RH8 but in RH9 it worked out of the box. In RH8 i just installed the hostap drivers, very good drivers and they let you use your laptop as an AP. -- Munir Nassar Systems Administrator RedConcepts.NET _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From STEVEWABC at netscape.net Sun Jul 6 17:29:27 2003 From: STEVEWABC at netscape.net (STEVEWABC@netscape.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Is this supported by linux? Message-ID: <330DBDCB.73C00E90.026842C8@netscape.net> Thanks david I will be e-mailing you Here what im getting now from:http://localhost/schofield.html Not Found The requested URL /schofield.html was not found on this server. Apache/1.3.27 Server at http://66.41.139.149 Port 80 "David Phillips" wrote: >STEVEWABC@netscape.net writes: >> The web page well be link to a data Base,and Will have a page in >> there for e-mailing me for a est. or info, with links to other sites >> as well.On other thing there will be Graphics also..Now with this >> what should I look at PHP or What? Hope that helps.. > >You can easily do all of this in PHP. The easiest way to start is to read >through the online manual and try out the examples. PHP has excellent >documentation. I have a couple of libraries that you might find useful: > >http://david.maridia.com/lib/mysql.phps >http://david.maridia.com/lib/misc.phps > >> #ServerName new.host.name >> ServerName http://24.118.46.25:80 > >That is a (partial) URL, not a hostname. It should look like this, just >like the comment indicates: > >ServerName 24.118.46.25 > >> DocumentRoot /var/www/ >> >> # >> # This should be changed to whatever you set DocumentRoot to. >> # >> Directory /var/www/schofield.html > >Try reading the comments. They provide useful information. > >-- >David Phillips >http://david.acz.org/ > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sun Jul 6 18:34:25 2003 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DWL-650+ with redhat 8 problems. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1057534465.11040.8.camel@3po> On Sun, 2003-07-06 at 17:28, Munir Nassar wrote: > On Sun, 6 Jul 2003, Sean Sax wrote: > > > anyone have any info on getting the DWL-650+ wireless pcmcia card working in > > redhat 8? I installed the acx100 binary drivers and It says that a > > acx100sta device does not seem to be present. [snip] > iirc this card never worked right for me on RH8 but in RH9 it worked out > of the box. > > In RH8 i just installed the hostap drivers, very good drivers and they let > you use your laptop as an AP. Munir, are you sure you're thinking of the DWL-650+? The DWL-650 uses different varieties of the Prism chipsets, but the DWL-650+ switched over to some proprietary chipset that could run at 22Mbps (hence the "+"). Sean, where did you get the drivers from? I did a quick search, and there didn't appear to be anything "official" out there, but maybe I just didn't look hard enough. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ If ignorance is bliss, then / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ why aren't more people \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) happy? [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I did a quick search, and > there didn't appear to be anything "official" out there, but maybe I > just didn't look hard enough. They're leaked binary drivers for an older mandrake kernel, that people seem to insist on trying to use. I believe I told this same person on IRC to return the card for something that's supported, he's hell bent on tainting his kernel with a poorly written driver meant for another kernel that's a few revisions old. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sun Jul 6 20:27:22 2003 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DWL-650+ with redhat 8 problems. In-Reply-To: <20030707000845.GS2047@techmonkeys.org> References: <1057534465.11040.8.camel@3po> <20030707000845.GS2047@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <1057541242.11040.25.camel@3po> On Sun, 2003-07-06 at 19:08, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > On Sun, Jul 06, 2003 at 06:34:25PM -0500, Mike Hicks wrote: > > Sean, where did you get the drivers from? I did a quick search, and > > there didn't appear to be anything "official" out there, but maybe I > > just didn't look hard enough. > > They're leaked binary drivers for an older mandrake kernel, that people > seem to insist on trying to use. I believe I told this same person on > IRC to return the card for something that's supported, he's hell bent > on tainting his kernel with a poorly written driver meant for another > kernel that's a few revisions old. Ah, that would explain the "I don't have source, so don't pretend I know anything" message I saw on one page.. I did see that there's a project at Sourceforge for a reverse-engineered open source driver [http://acx100.sf.net/], but it looks like it's a long way from being usable. I suppose it would be a good thing to play with for anyone who has an extra card laying around, but don't let anyone go running to CompUSA to go pick up an adapter based on that chipset just yet... -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I'd love to go out with / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ you, but I want to spend \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) more time with my blender. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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TIA -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030706/1745de49/attachment.pgp From STEVEWABC at netscape.net Sun Jul 6 22:36:39 2003 From: STEVEWABC at netscape.net (STEVEWABC@netscape.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: <037511CB.7536D290.026842C8@netscape.net> "Thank you everyone" We are up at 66.41.139.149 / and the last ? is now do I put on this :80 at the end of my ip address to get my fire wall back up? __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joe at rekomstop.com Mon Jul 7 23:56:38 2003 From: joe at rekomstop.com (Joe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] it's down... In-Reply-To: <20030707013035.GA20602@autonomous.tv> Message-ID: <000701c3450d$53928af0$0900a8c0@xp> umm, I thought that was kind of implied in my last email. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Spencer Butler Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 8:31 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] it's down... On Sun, Jul 06, 2003 at 02:09:48PM -0700, joe wrote: > > > > Sorry about html message Then will you kindly turn it off in your email client? TIA -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Sun Jul 6 23:38:21 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <037511CB.7536D290.026842C8@netscape.net> References: <037511CB.7536D290.026842C8@netscape.net> Message-ID: <20030707043821.GB20602@autonomous.tv> On Sun, Jul 06, 2003 at 11:36:39PM -0400, STEVEWABC@netscape.net wrote: >"Thank you everyone" We are up at 66.41.139.149 / and the last ? is >now do I put on this :80 at the end of my ip address to get my fire >wall back up? It appears to put in the public domain. spencer@serv001:~$ HEAD 66.41.139.149 200 OK Connection: close Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 04:40:22 GMT Accept-Ranges: bytes ETag: "32228-f20-3f08dcbd" Server: Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) Debian GNU/Linux Content-Length: 3872 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Last-Modified: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 02:36:45 GMT Client-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 04:30:27 GMT Client-Response-Num: 1 -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Sorry about html message
 
 
=) -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at infinetivity.com Mon Jul 7 09:21:43 2003 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BASH Tip! In-Reply-To: <003501c341be$61cde120$0201a8c0@brinstar>; from david@acz.org on Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 06:54:02PM -0500 References: <20030703170855.GE10808@skuld.wookimus.net> <20030703134148.A11077@karl.iexposure.net> <003501c341be$61cde120$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20030707092143.A30126@karl.iexposure.net> Yes that appears to work, looks like I didn't really have 125M files, as you can see my C program fails to put the i variable in the printf :) It was enough files to bust rm -f mgetty.*, I'd get an error from bash about hitting a memory limitation. Didn't think of a way to do it without wildcards, so I wrote the C program. On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 06:54:02PM -0500, David Phillips wrote: > Karl Bongers writes: > > Or when all else fails, break out the real power tools. This one > > helped me delete 125 million mgetty.ttyS0.1.1.1,etc,etc log files > > today. Due to > > a RH7.X bug where logrotate config has this entry: > > /var/log/mgetty.log.tty* { which causes it to multiply like rabbits. > > You wasted your time writing a C program. Learn to use the standard tools: > > ls -1 /var/log | grep -E ^mgetty | xargs rm > > This is the real power of UNIX :) > > -- > David Phillips > http://david.acz.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Mon Jul 7 10:29:40 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Zaurus rom-flash at Installafest In-Reply-To: <1057420802.1073.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 5 Jul 2003, David Schiff wrote: > Could I get help installing Open Zaurus OS on my Z? > I have tried about six times w/o any luck and my wife formatted my > backup cf card for the camera! > > I could bring my Z and Memorex USB card reader and cf card to the > installafest and possibly get some tips on USB on Linux? There ought to be 2 or 3 Zaurus users at the installfest, myself included. Dunno about the Memorex USB reader, but I'll have my PCMCIA CF adapter with me. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mike at mikemaurer.net Sun Jul 6 23:58:49 2003 From: mike at mikemaurer.net (Mike M) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] it's down... In-Reply-To: <000701c3450d$53928af0$0900a8c0@xp> References: <000701c3450d$53928af0$0900a8c0@xp> Message-ID: <3F08FE09.8020904@mikemaurer.net> I think it was, but the apology reply was also in html format. The safest (and best IMO) is to comletely disable HTML message sending. (All HTML-sending clients should have this option). Another way is to always reply in the same format messages came in (most have this feature), and then add specific domains (Mozilla has this, OE doesn't) (such as mn-linux.org) to an always plain-text list. Just FYI. Mike Joe wrote: > umm, I thought that was kind of implied in my last email. > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Spencer Butler > Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 8:31 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] it's down... > > On Sun, Jul 06, 2003 at 02:09:48PM -0700, joe wrote: > >> >> >> Sorry about html message > > Then will you kindly turn it off in your email client? > > TIA > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From LCLEMENS at mn.rr.com Mon Jul 7 17:53:06 2003 From: LCLEMENS at mn.rr.com (Lawrence Clemens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Jerry Ekegren/Lutheran Brotherhood/US is out of the office. References: Message-ID: <001f01c344da$87c50060$71fea8c0@computer> I don't think you are making friends! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 11:21 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Jerry Ekegren/Lutheran Brotherhood/US is out of the office. > I will be out of the office starting 07/03/2003 and will not return until > 07/08/2003. > > I will respond to your message when I return. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at infinetivity.com Tue Jul 8 09:14:39 2003 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need OLD ISA serial card bigtime In-Reply-To: <20030630100419.67ea2e78.william.layer@comcast.net>; from william.layer@comcast.net on Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 10:04:19AM -0500 References: <1056987895.956e5900crc1021@myrealbox.com> <20030630100419.67ea2e78.william.layer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20030708091439.A2804@karl.iexposure.net> If you are running DOS, then an old board might help, DOS programs typically had built in drivers that could have problems on newer hardware. I can give you an old board if you want it. Both Win95/WinNT have software emulations of the first few serial ports, they might make things better or worse depending on your luck. Looks like dosemu/linux has a uart emulation as well, never tried it. If you can select between XON/XOFF(software) flow control and hardware flow control then try changing that. If you are using hardware flow control, make sure your cable is good. Or if you can describe the problem more, that would help. On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 10:04:19AM -0500, Bill Layer wrote: > On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 10:44:55 -0500 > "E Lofstad" wrote: > > > It also might be the FIFO messing up the timing of the plotter. I > > believe the FIFO can be disabled by changing the UART type to 16450 or > > 8250 using setserial. > > No setserial in DOS, but there are utilites to disable the FIFO. That was > one thing I was going to try. > > -.bill.layer.- .-frogtown.mn.usa.- > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rware at interplastic.com Tue Jul 8 09:34:25 2003 From: rware at interplastic.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Jerry Ekegren/Lutheran Brotherhood/US is out of the o ffice. Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF6237BA8@ipserver2.interplastic.com> -----Original Message----- From: Lawrence Clemens To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Sent: 7/7/03 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Jerry Ekegren/Lutheran Brotherhood/US is out of the office. I don't think you are making friends! Yes, it is not a great thing to get these once in awhile, but if people would lighten up a bit it would be nice. Not everyone on this list has control over their mail server configuration. Blasting these people solves nothing and likely drives them away. If linux is to gain wide acceptance some of it's users will have to give up their holier than thou attitudes about things such as the occasional html email, the occasional out of office notification, the occasional top post, etc. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Jul 8 10:00:41 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:03 2005 Subject: Email Etiquette, Again (was Re: [TCLUG] Jerry...) In-Reply-To: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF6237BA8@ipserver2.interplastic.com> References: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF6237BA8@ipserver2.interplastic.com> Message-ID: <20030708150041.GC3412@skuld.wookimus.net> Lawrence Clemens wrote about Jerry Ekegren's wonderful vacation program: > I don't think you are making friends! Of course we are. You see, we, the appointed email list etiquette police, have taken it upon ourselves to maintain some semblance of sanity on this forum. > Not everyone on this list has control over their mail server > configuration. Ah, I see that yet another luser -- that does stand for "local user", by the way -- has a misconception about who has "control" over the vacation program. Vacation programs are most often NOT server-based. They are usually configured by the user, and that user doesn't always read the instructions or use their valuable resources, their systems administrator... > Blasting these people solves nothing and likely drives them away. Or it becomes a wake-up call that such automated replies are not welcome on the email list. Taken in context, I don't see how anyone would be "driven away". If they are driven away, then they are obviously a little too thin skinned for this group. > If linux is to gain wide acceptance some of it's users will have to > give up their holier than thou attitudes about things such as the > occasional html email, the occasional out of office notification, the > occasional top post, etc. Again, you are taking things out of context. This is NOT a Linux issue, this is an email list etiquette issue. I've seen a number of kindly notices on the list for people to shape up their etiquette and actually THINK before posting the aforementioned crap. HTML email, autoreply messages, and top posts are definitely not welcome, however occassional they might be. If we do not express our disapproval when these occurrances happen, how will anyone know? Shame is a great motivator, but usually we don't have to resort to that. Regardless, the average profile of the TCLUG list member is that of a knowledgable, sysadmin type with a precondition to be short with clueless lusers. Don't hold it against us. We work with lusers all day long, and to have to deal with them on the list is not our idea of a constructive forum for Linux. I'm not going to get into the Noise:Signal rant. You've all heard it before. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Tue Jul 8 10:07:54 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] not in any way/shape/form Linux related Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D362D@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> I realize I risk flames for putting this here but I do not care. I just wanted to brag a second and tell the word that my first child was born early Sunday morning and I am now ascending to the ranks of a proud parent. If anyone would like more details feel free to email me off list. That is all Dan Lansing -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That is all _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Tue Jul 8 10:17:31 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:03 2005 Subject: [OT] Re: [TCLUG] not in any way/shape/form Linux related Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D362E@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Will do thanks Dan Lansing ITSC -----Original Message----- From: Troy.A Johnson [mailto:troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us] Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 10:15 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [OT] Re: [TCLUG] not in any way/shape/form Linux related Congratulations!!! Just mark it '[off topic]' next time, or... ;-) >>> Dan.Lansing@AndersenCorp.com 07/08/03 10:07AM >>> I realize I risk flames for putting this here but I do not care. I just wanted to brag a second and tell the word that my first child was born early Sunday morning and I am now ascending to the ranks of a proud parent. If anyone would like more details feel free to email me off list. That is all _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rware at interplastic.com Tue Jul 8 10:18:48 2003 From: rware at interplastic.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:04 2005 Subject: Email Etiquette, Again (was Re: [TCLUG] Jerry...) Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF6237BAA@ipserver2.interplastic.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Chad Walstrom [mailto:chewie@wookimus.net] > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 10:01 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Email Etiquette, Again (was Re: [TCLUG] Jerry...) > > > Lawrence Clemens wrote about Jerry Ekegren's wonderful > vacation program: > > I don't think you are making friends! > > > > Of course we are. You see, we, the appointed email list etiquette > police, have taken it upon ourselves to maintain some semblance of > sanity on this forum. > > > Not everyone on this list has control over their mail server > > configuration. > > Ah, I see that yet another luser -- that does stand for > "local user", by > the way -- has a misconception about who has "control" over > the vacation > program. Vacation programs are most often NOT server-based. They are > usually configured by the user, and that user doesn't always read the > instructions or use their valuable resources, their systems > administrator... On exchange it is send out of office replys to the web or not. If you have the correct version of outlook you can put in a rule not to to a certain address. > > > Blasting these people solves nothing and likely drives them away. > > Or it becomes a wake-up call that such automated replies are > not welcome > on the email list. Taken in context, I don't see how anyone would be > "driven away". If they are driven away, then they are obviously a > little too thin skinned for this group. > > > If linux is to gain wide acceptance some of it's users will have to > > give up their holier than thou attitudes about things such as the > > occasional html email, the occasional out of office > notification, the > > occasional top post, etc. > > Again, you are taking things out of context. This is NOT a > Linux issue, > this is an email list etiquette issue. I've seen a number of kindly > notices on the list for people to shape up their etiquette > and actually > THINK before posting the aforementioned crap. HTML email, autoreply > messages, and top posts are definitely not welcome, however > occassional > they might be. If we do not express our disapproval when these > occurrances happen, how will anyone know? > > Shame is a great motivator, but usually we don't have to > resort to that. If shame were a great motivator, X-windows would have long since been replaced :) > Regardless, the average profile of the TCLUG list member is that of a > knowledgable, sysadmin type with a precondition to be short with > clueless lusers. Don't hold it against us. We work with > lusers all day > long, and to have to deal with them on the list is not our idea of a > constructive forum for Linux. I hear ya. > > I'm not going to get into the Noise:Signal rant. You've all heard it > before. > > > -- > Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ > assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Tue Jul 8 10:29:19 2003 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:04 2005 Subject: [OT] Re: [TCLUG] not in any way/shape/form Linux related In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030708102919.B27156@baker.space.umn.edu> On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 10:14:38AM -0500, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > Congratulations!!! Likewise! > Just mark it '[off topic]' next time, or... Yeah, birth announcements have been done before and I don't recall too much grousing ;). Most of us aren't that crabby! -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Jul 8 10:45:46 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:04 2005 Subject: [OT] Re: [TCLUG] not in any way/shape/form Linux related In-Reply-To: <20030708102919.B27156@baker.space.umn.edu> References: <20030708102919.B27156@baker.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20030708154546.GD3412@skuld.wookimus.net> On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 10:29:19AM -0500, Jim Crumley wrote: > Yeah, birth announcements have been done before and I don't recall too > much grousing ;). Most of us aren't that crabby! It generally is believed that birth announcements will lead to knowledgable techie in the future. ;-) Who better to raise a computer user than a Linux techie?! Congratulations! -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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That is all Congradulations. -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030708/83a42445/attachment.pgp From Pradeep.Sadanapalli at med.ge.com Tue Jul 8 11:47:05 2003 From: Pradeep.Sadanapalli at med.ge.com (Sadanapalli, Pradeep Kumar (MED, TCS)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Xscreensaver in KDE - Redhat Message-ID: <2DE78F33FFE0D3118C0200508B94F9CA1EAF2901@uswaumsx08medge.med.ge.com> I am using RedHat 9. I want to get rid of KDE screensavers totally. I want to setup xscreensaver in KDE for my users. How can I remove the kscreensaver totally and instead configure only xscreensaver? In the kcontrol module, under Appeaeance & Themes, when a user clicks on Screen Saver, I want the xscreensaver configursation window to popup instead of kscreensaver? How can I do it? I mean, from the kcontrol module, the users should be able to configure xscreensaver. I don't want to just turn off kscreensaver and ask the users to execute xscreensaver-demo to configure xscreensavers. They should just be able to do as they do with kscreensavers in KDE? Any ideas....?? Thanks in advance.... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jimstreit at northlans.com Tue Jul 8 12:30:05 2003 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (Jim Streit) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] not in any way/shape/form Linux related In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D362D@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D362D@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <4283.65.116.187.220.1057685405.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> Congratulations Dan. > I realize I risk flames for putting this here but I do not care. I > just wanted to brag a second and tell the word that my first child was > born early Sunday morning and I am now ascending to the ranks of a > proud parent. If anyone would like more details feel free to email me > off list. That is all > > Dan Lansing > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mburns+ml at clonetank.org Tue Jul 8 14:44:20 2003 From: mburns+ml at clonetank.org (Michael Burns) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Verizon Express Network Message-ID: <20030708194420.GA18133@mail.minifac.net> I'm considering subscribing to Verizon's 1xRTT Express Network service. This thing is supposed to provide up to 144kbps anywhere I can get coverage within the TC, using a 1x-capable phone or a special PCMCIA card. Does anybody on the list have any experiences they'd be willing to share about this service in the Twin Cities? Does it perform as advertised? How reliable is it? Here's the Linux interest: Any caveats regarding setting this thing up with a Linux laptop? I've got the phone and am inclined to go with the $30 cable if that will work. TIA -- Michael _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From veldy at veldy.net Tue Jul 8 15:07:55 2003 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Verizon Express Network References: <20030708194420.GA18133@mail.minifac.net> Message-ID: <023101c3458c$9fab5690$d037630a@dh.com> While I have not used that particular service, I did have a chance to use the 1xRTT service from Sprint (Vision). I attempted to use it in Waseca on my laptop. While it did work, the connection stalled and sputtered and constantly reconnected. Hopefully this doesn't apply to Verizon, but since they use the same basic technology, be aware of this before you commit any real money to it. I no longer subscribe to Vision service or any Sprint data services because those services stink (boring or essentionally non-functional)! Tom Veldhouse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Burns" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 2:44 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Verizon Express Network > I'm considering subscribing to Verizon's 1xRTT Express Network service. > This thing is supposed to provide up to 144kbps anywhere I can get > coverage within the TC, using a 1x-capable phone or a special PCMCIA > card. > > Does anybody on the list have any experiences they'd be willing to share > about this service in the Twin Cities? Does it perform as advertised? > How reliable is it? > > Here's the Linux interest: Any caveats regarding setting this thing up > with a Linux laptop? I've got the phone and am inclined to go with the > $30 cable if that will work. > > TIA > > -- > Michael > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Tue Jul 8 15:16:06 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Verizon Express Network In-Reply-To: <20030708194420.GA18133@mail.minifac.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, Michael Burns wrote: > I'm considering subscribing to Verizon's 1xRTT Express Network > service. This thing is supposed to provide up to 144kbps anywhere I > can get coverage within the TC, using a 1x-capable phone or a special > PCMCIA card. > > Does anybody on the list have any experiences they'd be willing to > share about this service in the Twin Cities? Does it perform as > advertised? How reliable is it? > > Here's the Linux interest: Any caveats regarding setting this thing up > with a Linux laptop? I've got the phone and am inclined to go with the > $30 cable if that will work. I've used Sprint's similar service, works great, as long as you have strong coverage. I used the connect-to-phone option. Note that T-Mobile offers a sorta-similar service now - $30/mo for an unlimited data plan, but it's only ~56k. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Tue Jul 8 15:21:11 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help Building Kernel Module Message-ID: <1057695669.1419.38.camel@lotsa> I have very little experience troubleshooting problems with 'make'. I'm trying to build a kernel module, LiS Streams, which I need to make my telephony hardware drivers work (dialogic SR5.1). I doubt anyone here has any experience with LiS Streams but I'm sure there are some folks here that know more then I about tracking down these kinds of problems. This is on a RH 7.2 box with gcc 2.96 I believe I have all the correct kernel source & headers installed: [tomp@many tomp]$ rpm -qa|grep kernel (erased old kernel info) kernel-headers-2.4.9-34 kernel-2.4.20-18.7 kernel-source-2.4.20-18.7 "make" runs a configure script then starts the build. It errors out. Here are the last 30 or so lines: make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/LiS-2.16/drivers/str/linux' gcc -DLiS -DLINUX -D__KERNEL__ -DMODVERSIONS -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -fno-strict-aliasing -Wno-sign-compare -fno-common -O2 -DINLINE=inline -DSTATIC=static -fomit-frame-pointer -I/usr/src/LiS/include -I///usr/src/linux-2.4.20-18.7/include -I///usr/src/linux-2.4.20-18.7/arch/i386/mach-generic -I/usr/src/linux/include -DSIGMASKLOCK -M -DDEP /usr/src/LiS/drivers/str/relay.c /usr/src/LiS/drivers/str/clone.c /usr/src/LiS/drivers/str/fifo.c /usr/src/LiS/drivers/str/loop.c /usr/src/LiS/drivers/str/minimux.c /usr/src/LiS/drivers/str/printk.c ip_strm_mod.c >.depend In file included from /usr/src/LiS/include/sys/strport.h:50, from /usr/src/LiS/include/sys/stream.h:73, from /usr/src/LiS/drivers/str/relay.c:45: /usr/src/LiS/include/sys/LiS/linux-mdep.h:137:74: sys/LiS/genconf.h: No such file or directory In file included from /usr/src/LiS/include/sys/strport.h:50, from /usr/src/LiS/include/sys/stream.h:73, from /usr/src/LiS/drivers/str/clone.c:45: /usr/src/LiS/include/sys/LiS/linux-mdep.h:137:74: sys/LiS/genconf.h: No such file or directory In file included from /usr/src/LiS/include/sys/strport.h:50, from /usr/src/LiS/include/sys/stream.h:73, from /usr/src/LiS/drivers/str/fifo.c:62: /usr/src/LiS/include/sys/LiS/linux-mdep.h:137:74: sys/LiS/genconf.h: No such file or directory In file included from /usr/src/LiS/include/sys/strport.h:50, from /usr/src/LiS/include/sys/stream.h:73, from /usr/src/LiS/drivers/str/loop.c:58: /usr/src/LiS/include/sys/LiS/linux-mdep.h:137:74: sys/LiS/genconf.h: No such file or directory In file included from /usr/src/LiS/include/sys/strport.h:50, from /usr/src/LiS/include/sys/stream.h:73, from /usr/src/LiS/drivers/str/minimux.c:34: /usr/src/LiS/include/sys/LiS/linux-mdep.h:137:74: sys/LiS/genconf.h: No such file or directory In file included from /usr/src/LiS/include/sys/strport.h:50, from /usr/src/LiS/include/sys/stream.h:73, from /usr/src/LiS/drivers/str/printk.c:37: /usr/src/LiS/include/sys/LiS/linux-mdep.h:137:74: sys/LiS/genconf.h: No such file or directory In file included from /usr/src/LiS/include/sys/strport.h:50, from /usr/src/LiS/include/sys/stream.h:73, from ip_strm_mod.c:75: /usr/src/LiS/include/sys/LiS/linux-mdep.h:137:74: sys/LiS/genconf.h: No such file or directory make[2]: *** [common-dep] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/LiS-2.16/drivers/str/linux' make[1]: *** [/usr/src/LiS/include/sys/LiS/config.h] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/LiS-2.16' make: *** [/usr/src/LiS-2.16/config.in] Error 2 [root@many LiS-2.16]# make clean I don't see genconf.h on my system at all. Is this something that should be "gen"erated by the "conf"igure script? Is it part of the kernel headers? Id greatly appreciate any info on how to get this to build. -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Tue Jul 8 19:46:05 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:04 2005 Subject: [OT] Re: [TCLUG] not in any way/shape/form Linux related In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030708194605.2a0a32aa.sfertch@real-time.com> Nah, I think all little babies look like Tux to some degree. ;) Congratulations Dan! On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 10:14:38 -0500 "Troy.A Johnson" wrote: > Congratulations!!! > > Just mark it '[off topic]' next time, or... > > ;-) > > >>> Dan.Lansing@AndersenCorp.com 07/08/03 10:07AM >>> > I realize I risk flames for putting this here but I do not care. I > just wanted to brag a second and tell the word that my first child was > born early Sunday morning and I am now ascending to the ranks of a > proud parent. > If anyone would like more details feel free to email me off list. > That is > all > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Tue Jul 8 20:53:26 2003 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Xscreensaver in KDE - Redhat In-Reply-To: <2DE78F33FFE0D3118C0200508B94F9CA1EAF2901@uswaumsx08medge.med.ge.com> References: <2DE78F33FFE0D3118C0200508B94F9CA1EAF2901@uswaumsx08medge.med.ge.com> Message-ID: <200307082053.27161.jack@jacku.com> On Tuesday 08 July 2003 11:47 am, Sadanapalli, Pradeep Kumar (MED, TCS) wrote: > I am using RedHat 9. I want to get rid of KDE screensavers totally. I > want to setup xscreensaver in KDE for my users. > How can I remove the kscreensaver totally and instead configure only > xscreensaver? > In the kcontrol module, under Appeaeance & Themes, when a user clicks on > Screen Saver, I want the xscreensaver configursation window to popup > instead of kscreensaver? How can I do it? I mean, from the kcontrol > module, the users should be able to configure xscreensaver. I don't want > to just turn off kscreensaver and ask the users to execute > xscreensaver-demo to configure xscreensavers. They should just be able > to do as they do with kscreensavers in KDE? Any ideas....?? Thanks in > advance.... I was curious about this and so I started poking around (running KDE 3.1 on SuSE 8.2). Two things: 1. I found a message Xscreensaver developer on Google groups that mentioned there is not currently a Qt version of the Xscreensaver-demo. He doesn't use KDE and doesn't know Qt. He feels it should be trivial for some with that knowledge. The message was dated last November so its not something that's been out there for too long. 2. SuSE has an RPM kdeartwork3-xscreensaver-3.1.1 this makes all the XScreensavers available from the KDE control center. Some of the screensavers are configurable from the Control Center but many are not the are missing a file for the kxsconfig program. How these are generated I don't know. You'll have to look for a similar package for RedHat the two main executables are: kxsconfig and kxsrun. Good luck! Jack -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Jul 8 19:16:45 2003 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help Building Kernel Module In-Reply-To: <1057695669.1419.38.camel@lotsa> References: <1057695669.1419.38.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <1057709804.25455.11.camel@3po> On Tue, 2003-07-08 at 15:21, Tom Penney wrote: > make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/LiS-2.16/drivers/str/linux' > gcc -DLiS -DLINUX -D__KERNEL__ -DMODVERSIONS -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes > -fno-strict-aliasing -Wno-sign-compare -fno-common -O2 -DINLINE=inline > -DSTATIC=static -fomit-frame-pointer -I/usr/src/LiS/include > -I///usr/src/linux-2.4.20-18.7/include > -I///usr/src/linux-2.4.20-18.7/arch/i386/mach-generic > -I/usr/src/linux/include > -DSIGMASKLOCK -M -DDEP /usr/src/LiS/drivers/str/relay.c > /usr/src/LiS/drivers/str/clone.c /usr/src/LiS/drivers/str/fifo.c > /usr/src/LiS/drivers/str/loop.c /usr/src/LiS/drivers/str/minimux.c > /usr/src/LiS/drivers/str/printk.c ip_strm_mod.c >.depend > In file included from /usr/src/LiS/include/sys/strport.h:50, > from /usr/src/LiS/include/sys/stream.h:73, > from /usr/src/LiS/drivers/str/relay.c:45: > /usr/src/LiS/include/sys/LiS/linux-mdep.h:137:74: sys/LiS/genconf.h: No > such file or directory [...] > I don't see genconf.h on my system at all. Is this something that should > be "gen"erated by the "conf"igure script? Is it part of the kernel > headers? Well, I downloaded some source from the LiS website. I see there's a "mkgenconf" script in the directory of my uncompressed source tree, though it looks like it's probably meant to be executed by another script (like the "Configure" script in the same directory). The website mentions that the Configure script should automatically create a symbolic link of /usr/src/LiS -> /path/to/LiS-source, so you might want to make sure it showed up.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Cause of crash: Inadvertent / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ contact with the ground. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This is not about Napster or DVDs. It's about your Freedom. http://www.anti-dmca.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nota12b at iglide.net Wed Jul 9 01:45:17 2003 From: nota12b at iglide.net (Wil) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest follow-up Message-ID: <1057733116.2175.13.camel@loki.valhalla> First, I apologize to all that attended and couldn't finish the desired work due to the electricity shortage that began around 4:30-4:45pm and lasted the rest of the evening - hey, it DID give us a chance to gab and eat pizza, right? Next, I would like to thank Roxanne Brock and Team Excel for arranging the room and providing the cake - a first that I know of - very delicious! Thanks to Carl for providing the Stomper and labels (under-used for what I'd envisioned, but still appreciated!), Ben for setting up the NAT, providing the 'monster-switch', and all those that provided patience, assistance, technical expertise, and the requisite humor needed to deal with all of the VERY NEWbies, pseudo-NEWbies, and all the rest. I spoke with Roxanne after it was all over on the way home and she expressed remorse over the way the event sorta crash-landed on the rocks of electric-hell and was kicked over the cliff by maintenance-helldesk. That being her first concern, the next question was, 'Do we need to have another one?' I suggested that she find out the AMP-rating for the room, we 'might' be able to control this were we to have another one in the future, and to see again in a few weeks/months time - I KNOW many showed up that didn't finish all they intended (myself included!). And for those that needed/wanted Roxanne's info (she works as a recruiter for the contracting company Team Excel) but couldn't/didn't find any of the business cards, here is her info: rbrock@team-excel.com I'm sure she'd be very happy to hear from anyone looking! IF there is enough interest I'm sure we can have access to the facilities again, just let me know - OFFLINE - and I'll contact Roxanne again to set something up. -- Wil Now back to your regularly scheduled procrastination, already in progress... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at infinetivity.com Wed Jul 9 08:58:47 2003 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help Building Kernel Module In-Reply-To: <1057695669.1419.38.camel@lotsa>; from blots@visi.com on Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 03:21:11PM -0500 References: <1057695669.1419.38.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <20030709085847.A3773@karlme.iexposure.net> Not sure if this will work, but it is something you can try. If you have not compiled your kernel src, then go into the linux src dir: make oldconfig make dep This should recreate the .config file and make a bunch of modversion header files that can be required for kernel module builds. Now try rebuilding your project. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Wed Jul 9 09:01:47 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest follow-up In-Reply-To: <1057733116.2175.13.camel@loki.valhalla> References: <1057733116.2175.13.camel@loki.valhalla> Message-ID: <3369.192.168.70.186.1057759307.squirrel@us-admins.com> Wil said: > First, I apologize to all that attended and couldn't finish the desired > work due to the electricity shortage that began around 4:30-4:45pm and > lasted the rest of the evening - hey, it DID give us a chance to gab and > eat pizza, right? Well that part of it was pretty cool. But sadly alot of stuff was left unaccomplished. > IF there is enough interest I'm sure we can have access to the > facilities again, just let me know - OFFLINE - and I'll contact Roxanne > again to set something up. With all due respect, I think we should attempt to find a more suitable venue for the next installfest. Some place with more space and power. All other apects of yesterdays location were pretty good. The network was setup well and provided ample bandwidth. Someone mentioned universities and the like as an option for the next one. That would be fantastic if someone who has an 'In' at such a facility would be willing / able to coordinate that. -- Ben Lutgens System Administrator / Village Idiot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Wed Jul 9 09:06:37 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest follow-up Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE15C@mail.temgweb.com> Invade a Dunn Bros. Wireless, power, and caffiene. What else do you need? :) I don't think they would be too pleased about it though. > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Lutgens [mailto:blutgens@us-admins.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 9:02 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Installfest follow-up > > > > Wil said: > > First, I apologize to all that attended and couldn't finish > the desired > > work due to the electricity shortage that began around > 4:30-4:45pm and > > lasted the rest of the evening - hey, it DID give us a > chance to gab and > > eat pizza, right? > > Well that part of it was pretty cool. But sadly alot of stuff was left > unaccomplished. > > > IF there is enough interest I'm sure we can have access to the > > facilities again, just let me know - OFFLINE - and I'll > contact Roxanne > > again to set something up. > > With all due respect, I think we should attempt to find a > more suitable > venue for the next installfest. Some place with more space > and power. All > other apects of yesterdays location were pretty good. The network was > setup well and provided ample bandwidth. > > Someone mentioned universities and the like as an option for > the next one. > That would be fantastic if someone who has an 'In' at such a facility > would be willing / able to coordinate that. > > -- > Ben Lutgens > System Administrator / Village Idiot > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jlanpher at stealthnetworking.com Wed Jul 9 09:29:51 2003 From: jlanpher at stealthnetworking.com (Jason Lanpher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest follow-up In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE15C@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <002f01c34626$9521d5b0$e496040a@laptop> Who actually runs or organizes the install fest? Jason Lanpher jlanpher@stealthnetworking.com http://www.stealthnetworking.com Remember there are only 10 types of people in this world. Those who understand Binary and those who don't. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Austad, Jay Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 9:07 AM To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Installfest follow-up Invade a Dunn Bros. Wireless, power, and caffiene. What else do you need? :) I don't think they would be too pleased about it though. > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Lutgens [mailto:blutgens@us-admins.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 9:02 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Installfest follow-up > > > > Wil said: > > First, I apologize to all that attended and couldn't finish > the desired > > work due to the electricity shortage that began around > 4:30-4:45pm and > > lasted the rest of the evening - hey, it DID give us a > chance to gab and > > eat pizza, right? > > Well that part of it was pretty cool. But sadly alot of stuff was left > unaccomplished. > > > IF there is enough interest I'm sure we can have access to the > > facilities again, just let me know - OFFLINE - and I'll > contact Roxanne > > again to set something up. > > With all due respect, I think we should attempt to find a > more suitable > venue for the next installfest. Some place with more space > and power. All > other apects of yesterdays location were pretty good. The network was > setup well and provided ample bandwidth. > > Someone mentioned universities and the like as an option for > the next one. > That would be fantastic if someone who has an 'In' at such a facility > would be willing / able to coordinate that. > > -- > Ben Lutgens > System Administrator / Village Idiot > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Jul 9 10:17:27 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest follow-up In-Reply-To: <002f01c34626$9521d5b0$e496040a@laptop> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, Jason Lanpher wrote: > Who actually runs or organizes the install fest? Whoever has the resources and time to organize one. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Wed Jul 9 10:23:24 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest follow-up In-Reply-To: <3369.192.168.70.186.1057759307.squirrel@us-admins.com> Message-ID: > other apects of yesterdays location were pretty good. The network was > setup well and provided ample bandwidth. Woot! Yes, I noticed a nice 5MBit peak for that VLAN at around 4:30 yesterday afternoon...assumed it was Ben surfing pr0n again. Actually, Ben's little NAT device worked out pretty well. I doubt there is much chance of United Properties increasing the amperage into the conference rooms. This is probably the first time they've had an issue down there, so I imagine it would be difficult to justify the cost. They may not work well for installfests, but they have worked well for TCSA meetings :) The building's power is, in fact, kind of messed up. They've had to work some interesting magic with 2 ISP's datacenters plus Wells Fargo's datacenter spread across 3 non-adjacent floors. I also want to say that it's unfortunate that the power went when it did, rather than a little earlier. The head building engineer is actually quite competent (and a very good guy), and had he been around I'm sure things would've gotten fixed sooner. I don't know who was working on it last night, but I believe that all 3 of the regular engineers were gone by then. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Jul 9 10:29:33 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest follow-up In-Reply-To: <3369.192.168.70.186.1057759307.squirrel@us-admins.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, Ben Lutgens wrote: > With all due respect, I think we should attempt to find a more suitable > venue for the next installfest. Some place with more space and power. All > other apects of yesterdays location were pretty good. The network was > setup well and provided ample bandwidth. Many thanks to Sihope Communications, Adam Maloney, and Ben Kochie for dealing with the network resources. It was a heckuva Soekris demo, too. And yeah, now we have more specific demands for installfest locations. As if we didn't have enough already. :( As for finding a more suitable venue...if it was easy, why did we just go about 8 months between installfests? Easier said than done, unfortunately. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Wed Jul 9 10:39:26 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest follow-up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Many thanks to Sihope Communications, Adam Maloney, and Ben Kochie for > dealing with the network resources. It was a heckuva Soekris demo, too. Thanks, we were glad to do it. And too bad I couldn't stick around and participate - I was off-site in the afternoon so I could only poke my head in for a few minutes. I would have liked to spread the love and joy that is Slackware! (flames to mailto:/dev/null) Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Jul 9 11:01:23 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest follow-up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, Adam Maloney wrote: > I would have liked to spread the love and joy that is Slackware! > (flames to mailto:/dev/null) Nah, most of us don't care to beat a dead horse. ;) (Disclaimer: The above was totally a joke. I, like many other Linux users, started out with Slackware. I'm glad I did; it was an excellent learning experience. I wouldn't, however, recommend it to the average new Linux user. :) Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From djp at visi.com Wed Jul 9 11:18:33 2003 From: djp at visi.com (Doug Pomerenke) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux application developers Message-ID: <1057767513.22832.12.camel@dornier.localdomain> Does anyone out there know about any Independent Software Vendors that do development of native Linux applications or cross platform Win32 / Linux apps? -- Doug Pomerenke _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bbaptist at iexposure.com Wed Jul 9 11:17:17 2003 From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux application developers In-Reply-To: <1057767513.22832.12.camel@dornier.localdomain> References: <1057767513.22832.12.camel@dornier.localdomain> Message-ID: <200307091117.17434.bbaptist@iexposure.com> On Wednesday 09 July 2003 11:18 am, Doug Pomerenke wrote: > Does anyone out there know about any Independent Software Vendors that > do development of native Linux applications or cross platform Win32 / > Linux apps? Check out The Kompany. http://thekompany.com -- Bret Baptist Systems and Technical Support Specialist bbaptist@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 x17 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services ------------------------------------------ Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From djp at visi.com Wed Jul 9 11:27:33 2003 From: djp at visi.com (Doug Pomerenke) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux application developers In-Reply-To: <1057767513.22832.12.camel@dornier.localdomain> References: <1057767513.22832.12.camel@dornier.localdomain> Message-ID: <1057768053.22832.14.camel@dornier.localdomain> On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 11:18, Doug Pomerenke wrote: > Does anyone out there know about any Independent Software Vendors that > do development of native Linux applications or cross platform Win32 / > Linux apps? Opps, I forgot to say desktop applications, not web based apps. -- Doug Pomerenke _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dsherman at real-time.com Wed Jul 9 11:26:01 2003 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux application developers In-Reply-To: <1057768053.22832.14.camel@dornier.localdomain> References: <1057767513.22832.12.camel@dornier.localdomain> <1057768053.22832.14.camel@dornier.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F0C4219.20604@real-time.com> Doug Pomerenke wrote: > On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 11:18, Doug Pomerenke wrote: > >>Does anyone out there know about any Independent Software Vendors that >>do development of native Linux applications or cross platform Win32 / >>Linux apps? > > > Opps, I forgot to say desktop applications, not web based apps. I seem to recall that Real Time Enterprises (the host of this list) does some QT development. QT is used for cross-platform GUI application development, which should fit the bill for you. -- Dave Sherman MCSE, MCSA, CCNA "In total we spend almost three years of our lives on the toilet. It's natural and it's normal, so let's learn to say: 'Wow! That's a great toilet!'" - Jack Sim, Restroom Association President _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Wed Jul 9 12:24:49 2003 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Fwd: Re: Installfest follow-up] Message-ID: <3F0C4FE1.3060806@druswanderings.net> Jima writes: > On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, Ben Lutgens wrote: >> With all due respect, I think we should attempt to find a more suitable >> venue for the next installfest. Some place with more space and power. All >> other apects of yesterdays location were pretty good. The network was >> setup well and provided ample bandwidth. > > Many thanks to Sihope Communications, Adam Maloney, and Ben Kochie for > dealing with the network resources. It was a heckuva Soekris demo, too. > > And yeah, now we have more specific demands for installfest locations. > As if we didn't have enough already. :( > As for finding a more suitable venue...if it was easy, why did we just go > about 8 months between installfests? Easier said than done, > unfortunately. > > Jima > > I brought this up last night at the end of the installfest and I just spoke to the owner of the company about it. He's cool with us using our production area (I work for a printing/mailing/fulfillment company). We take up 8 suites in the Silver Bell Business center just south of river in Eagan. Each suite has its own electrical panel so I don't think power will be a problem. There are plently of tables to set up on as well. They are standing height though so you may want to bring bar stools to sit on. We will probably want to utilize local mirrors where possible for net installs as our pipe is only 512k. All we need to do is choose a Saturday and we're good to go. (sorry if this got double posted) --- Andy Moore aka The Wandering Dru _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Jul 9 12:39:03 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Fwd: Re: Installfest follow-up] In-Reply-To: <3F0C4FE1.3060806@druswanderings.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, The Wandering Dru wrote: > I brought this up last night at the end of the installfest and I just spoke > to the owner of the company about it. He's cool with us using our > production area (I work for a printing/mailing/fulfillment company). We > take up 8 suites in the Silver Bell Business center just south of river in > Eagan. Each suite has its own electrical panel so I don't think power will > be a problem. There are plently of tables to set up on as well. They are > standing height though so you may want to bring bar stools to sit on. We > will probably want to utilize local mirrors where possible for net installs > as our pipe is only 512k. we may be able to put up a directional 802.11b, > All we need to do is choose a Saturday and we're good to go. considering how many people showed yesterday, the sooner the better set it up and they will come. -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From np at f-matic.net Wed Jul 9 13:59:00 2003 From: np at f-matic.net (np) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] newbie with some questions Message-ID: greetings! i'm a newbie to these parts (moved from nyc a little while ago) and discovered this list while googling around for minneapolis linux events. looks like i'm just in time to miss the installfest - a pity as i would have liked to have attended. in any case, greetings to all on the list! i have a question that i hope someone might be able to help with. i've been fooling around with debian linux for around a year or so, mostly for fun to try and learn some basic sysadmin stuff, plus also to use some fun linux-only opensource audio software i discovered. i've really enjoyed learning linux, but i feel i've got about as far as i can get using the study-from-the-book method. i was wondering if anyone knew of any community college (or otherwise) classes that focus on linux in particular? something along the lines of the classes offered here: http://www.nylxs.com/classes/ or do other listmembers have recommendations for other local options for gaining a hands-on understanding of linux? any help offered would be most appreciated! best, nick phillips -- http://hominoid.net extreme computer punkmusik * new releases from nicedisc, johnny sinewave, and luxury estates!!! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Jul 9 12:59:11 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Fwd: Re: Installfest follow-up] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, Munir Nassar wrote: > we may be able to put up a directional 802.11b, To? > > All we need to do is choose a Saturday and we're good to go. > > considering how many people showed yesterday, the sooner the better > > set it up and they will come. I concur. :) Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bradyh at bitstream.net Wed Jul 9 13:14:54 2003 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] newbie with some questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1057774493.30518.79.camel@orlando> What would you like to learn about? Usually the best method is to just try it and ask questions when things go wrong. I'm out of work currently so I have a bit of time on my hands and I'd be willing to try to answer any questions that you might not want to ask on the list. Brady > greetings! > > i'm a newbie to these parts (moved from nyc a little while ago) and > discovered this list while googling around for minneapolis linux events. > looks like i'm just in time to miss the installfest - a pity as i would have > liked to have attended. in any case, greetings to all on the list! > > i have a question that i hope someone might be able to help with. i've been > fooling around with debian linux for around a year or so, mostly for fun to > try and learn some basic sysadmin stuff, plus also to use some fun > linux-only opensource audio software i discovered. i've really enjoyed > learning linux, but i feel i've got about as far as i can get using the > study-from-the-book method. i was wondering if anyone knew of any community > college (or otherwise) classes that focus on linux in particular? something > along the lines of the classes offered here: http://www.nylxs.com/classes/ > > or do other listmembers have recommendations for other local options for > gaining a hands-on understanding of linux? any help offered would be most > appreciated! > > best, > nick phillips > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From LCLEMENS at mn.rr.com Wed Jul 9 13:11:13 2003 From: LCLEMENS at mn.rr.com (Lawrence Clemens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest Message-ID: <00ff01c34645$7bf753c0$71fea8c0@computer> As a new user of Linux I found the Installfest helpful and picked up several useful ideas and tips. Thanks to the TCLUG folk who put it together. LarryC _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Wed Jul 9 13:22:49 2003 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Fwd: Re: Installfest follow-up] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F0C5D79.5060600@druswanderings.net> Jima wrote: >On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, Munir Nassar wrote: > > >>we may be able to put up a directional 802.11b, >> >> > > To? > > > >>>All we need to do is choose a Saturday and we're good to go. >>> >>> >>considering how many people showed yesterday, the sooner the better >> >>set it up and they will come. >> >> > > I concur. :) > > Jima > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > OK, How's Saturday July 19, 10a-5p? My wife would be so proud... I'm being decisive. 8-) -Andy Moore _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Jul 9 16:45:09 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Fwd: Re: Installfest follow-up] In-Reply-To: <3F0C5D79.5060600@druswanderings.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, The Wandering Dru wrote: > How's Saturday July 19, 10a-5p? Sounds good to me! > My wife would be so proud... I'm being decisive. 8-) Puts you ahead of a lot of us. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drue at therub.org Wed Jul 9 18:13:44 2003 From: drue at therub.org (Daniel Rue) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apache keeps shutting down Message-ID: <3F0CA1A8.9080808@therub.org> Heyo, Quick problem, and I can't seem to figure it out. Every once in a while (every few weeks, perhaps), apache stops running on my Debian box. error.log reports "[crit] (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address 216.114.200.206 port 443". If I try restarting apache, I get the same error again. I have to kill /usr/sbin/apache (which is still running, even though the web server isn't responding to requests), and then it lets me start apache. So, what would cause this? Has anyone had similar experiences? TIA, Dan _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Wed Jul 9 20:15:27 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest follow-up In-Reply-To: <3369.192.168.70.186.1057759307.squirrel@us-admins.com> References: <1057733116.2175.13.camel@loki.valhalla> <3369.192.168.70.186.1057759307.squirrel@us-admins.com> Message-ID: <2582.192.1.1.23.1057799727.squirrel@dccmn.com> Heritage Christian Academy has promised it let us hold one there next fall. Lots of room in their gym. We can tie into their Cable Modem network. How much power do we need? Ben Lutgens said: > > Wil said: >> First, I apologize to all that attended and couldn't finish the >> desired work due to the electricity shortage that began around >> 4:30-4:45pm and lasted the rest of the evening - hey, it DID give us a >> chance to gab and eat pizza, right? > > Well that part of it was pretty cool. But sadly alot of stuff was left > unaccomplished. > >> IF there is enough interest I'm sure we can have access to the >> facilities again, just let me know - OFFLINE - and I'll contact >> Roxanne again to set something up. > > With all due respect, I think we should attempt to find a more suitable > venue for the next installfest. Some place with more space and power. > All other apects of yesterdays location were pretty good. The network > was setup well and provided ample bandwidth. > > Someone mentioned universities and the like as an option for the next > one. That would be fantastic if someone who has an 'In' at such a > facility would be willing / able to coordinate that. > > -- > Ben Lutgens > System Administrator / Village Idiot > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Wed Jul 9 21:22:02 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Fwd: Re: Installfest follow-up] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4351.24.245.71.134.1057803722.squirrel@www.us-admins.com> Jima said: > On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, Munir Nassar wrote: >> we may be able to put up a directional 802.11b, > > To? > >> > All we need to do is choose a Saturday and we're good to go. >> >> considering how many people showed yesterday, the sooner the better >> >> set it up and they will come. > > I concur. :) You 'Yes Man'! > > Jima > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Ben Lutgens System Administrator / Has Been / Complete Moron _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Jul 9 22:04:44 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Fwd: Re: Installfest follow-up] In-Reply-To: <4351.24.245.71.134.1057803722.squirrel@www.us-admins.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, Ben Lutgens wrote: > Jima said: > > I concur. :) > > You 'Yes Man'! You 'Whine-And-Bitch-And-Look-For-An-Argument Man!' :) (The "I concur" part was a jab toward Rias, regardless of whether or not he's on the list anymore.) Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chad at bitstream.net Wed Jul 9 22:04:27 2003 From: chad at bitstream.net (Chad Juettner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] newbie with some questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F0CD7BB.7020504@bitstream.net> np wrote: > i have a question that i hope someone might be able to help with. i've been > fooling around with debian linux for around a year or so, mostly for fun to > try and learn some basic sysadmin stuff, plus also to use some fun > linux-only opensource audio software i discovered. i've really enjoyed > learning linux, but i feel i've got about as far as i can get using the > study-from-the-book method. i was wondering if anyone knew of any community > college (or otherwise) classes that focus on linux in particular? something > along the lines of the classes offered here: http://www.nylxs.com/classes/ If you're anywhere near Eden Prairie you could try Hennepin Tech. I took a couple of the UNIX courses a long time ago (mid to late 90s), they were pretty good back then. It looks like they may be teaching some Linux specific stuff now - go to the link below and search for Linux. I'm not sure if it's still the same instructors or not (probably not), but it's worth a shot. The classes were relatively cheap when I went, but that has almost definately changed since then. http://134.29.253.251/htc/FMPro?-db=wsyllabi.fp5&-lay=general&-format=search.htm&-view If you do wind up going I'd be interested in hearing what you thought of it. Good luck! --Chad _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel at joelschneider.net Thu Jul 10 00:39:44 2003 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux application developers In-Reply-To: <1057767513.22832.12.camel@dornier.localdomain>; from djp@visi.com on Wed, Jul 09, 2003 at 11:18:33AM -0500 References: <1057767513.22832.12.camel@dornier.localdomain> Message-ID: <20030710003944.C11862@joelschneider.net> On Wed, Jul 09, 2003 at 11:18:33AM -0500, Doug Pomerenke wrote: > Does anyone out there know about any Independent Software Vendors that > do development of native Linux applications or cross platform Win32 / > Linux apps? CodeWeavers: http://www.codeweavers.com/ -- Joel Schneider joel@joelschneider.net Linux makes computing fun again. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Thu Jul 10 08:58:17 2003 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "Make-up" Installfest Message-ID: <3F0D70F9.5050301@druswanderings.net> Due to the unfortunate truncation of our "Linux Power" on Tuesday, we will have a make-up installfest really soon. This info isn't on the webpage yet but since it's coming up fast I wanted to get the word out right away. Those of you who have business cards of people who showed up but weren't able to get done may want to contact them personally. Let's see if we can ramp this thing up in 9 days. When: Saturday July 19th, 2003 10am-5pm Where: Lone Oak Mailing Services 2020 Silver Bell Rd Ste 27 Eagan MN 55122 Located on the NW corner of Hwy 13 and Silver Bell Rd in the Silver Bell Business Center(just south of the river and just east of Cedar Ave). It's the ugly brown building with red trim kitty-cornered from the McDonald's. Power will not be an issue, however, we will need extension cords and power strips. The tables are tall so if you have to sit, bring a barstool or two. Pizza will be ordered around 12:30 with money being collected at the door (no pay - no pizza). Local mirrors will also be desirable as our internet pipe is only 512k. We'll need a volunteer or two to handle check-in (yep, we're getting organized... er... maybe). If there is anything else I'm forgetting, feel free to add info. This message is distributed under the GPL. ---- The Wandering Dru aka Andy Moore DWN WTH VWLS!! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Thu Jul 10 09:49:27 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "Make-up" Installfest In-Reply-To: <3F0D70F9.5050301@druswanderings.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, The Wandering Dru wrote: > Local mirrors will also be desirable as our internet pipe is only 512k. If Gladiator can't be made available, I can probably steal^H^H^H^H^Hborrow a 60gb for the installfest. If so, any suggestions on what distros I need to snag? (Debian, Mandrake, and RedHat come to mind.) Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Jul 10 10:09:45 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "Make-up" Installfest In-Reply-To: <3F0D70F9.5050301@druswanderings.net> References: <3F0D70F9.5050301@druswanderings.net> Message-ID: <20030710150945.GG2047@techmonkeys.org> On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 08:58:17AM -0500, The Wandering Dru wrote: > Where: > Lone Oak Mailing Services > 2020 Silver Bell Rd Ste 27 > Eagan MN 55122 Woohoo! A whopping 10 miles away with no road construction inbetween =) -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Thu Jul 10 10:13:17 2003 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "Make-up" Installfest In-Reply-To: References: <3F0D70F9.5050301@druswanderings.net> Message-ID: <20030710151317.GE18994@iucha.net> On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 09:49:27AM -0500, Jima wrote: > On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, The Wandering Dru wrote: > > Local mirrors will also be desirable as our internet pipe is only 512k. > > If Gladiator can't be made available, I can probably > steal^H^H^H^H^Hborrow a 60gb for the installfest. If so, any suggestions > on what distros I need to snag? (Debian, Mandrake, and RedHat come to > mind.) SCO! SCO! SCO! MP3! MP3! MP3! florin -- "NT is to UNIX what a doughnut is to a particle accelerator." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030710/2c82aea3/attachment.pgp From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Jul 10 10:32:03 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "Make-up" Installfest In-Reply-To: <20030710151317.GE18994@iucha.net> References: <3F0D70F9.5050301@druswanderings.net> <20030710151317.GE18994@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20030710153203.GH2047@techmonkeys.org> On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 10:13:17AM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > > If Gladiator can't be made available, I can probably > > steal^H^H^H^H^Hborrow a 60gb for the installfest. If so, any suggestions > > on what distros I need to snag? (Debian, Mandrake, and RedHat come to > > mind.) > > SCO! SCO! SCO! > MP3! MP3! MP3! I think we should all install Caldera. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Thu Jul 10 10:33:56 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "Make-up" Installfest In-Reply-To: <20030710151317.GE18994@iucha.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Florin Iucha wrote: > SCO! SCO! SCO! Thanks for reminding me, I should bring some LARTs, too. > MP3! MP3! MP3! *calls the riaa* ;) Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Thu Jul 10 11:11:22 2003 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "Make-up" Installfest In-Reply-To: References: <20030710151317.GE18994@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20030710161122.GG18994@iucha.net> On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 10:33:56AM -0500, Jima wrote: > On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Florin Iucha wrote: > > SCO! SCO! SCO! > > Thanks for reminding me, I should bring some LARTs, too. The bit is mightier than the LART. > > MP3! MP3! MP3! > > *calls the riaa* ;) Remember the 5th! florin -- "NT is to UNIX what a doughnut is to a particle accelerator." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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"echo > file" puts just a newline in file. One byte. Echoing to the port hangs, perhaps waiting for an acknowledgement. I've also tried looking around for a HOWTO, but it's so involved and requires programming (which I can do, but would like to avoid). I'd appreciate it a lot if someone would point me to a site I can read to knock this out. Thanks. Chris Schumann (Hmmm... maybe I can connect the STROBE to ACK pin...) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Jul 10 11:42:14 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sending a character out parallel port In-Reply-To: References: <20030703170002.10204.66861.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030710164214.GI2047@techmonkeys.org> On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 11:30:32AM -0500, Chris Schumann wrote: > Hey guys, > > I tried changing permissions on /dev/lp0 to a+wr and > doing "echo > /dev/lp0", but it didn't work. > "echo > file" puts just a newline in file. One byte. Assuming it found the parallel port, and you have the driver loaded (very likely on a default RH 9 install, you can check with dmesg |grep lp) echo -n foo > /dev/lp0 should work, the -n tells echo not to send a newline (\n) man echo -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Thu Jul 10 12:04:27 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting tomorrow! Message-ID: Been busy working on installfest stuff. (Do we ever get these announcements out early?) More details at http://beer.tclug.org , as always. --- snip --- A TCLUG beer meeting is a bi-weekly get-together where TCLUG members can get to know one another and share a beer. The beer meetings are open to anyone and everyone, so don't be afraid to show up. When: Friday, July 11, 2003 6pm - 8pm Where: Great Waters Brewing Company 426 St. Peter Str St. Paul, MN Phone: 651-224-BREW Details: This location was requested by a LUGger who knows his scotch. The selection should be good for scotch drinkers, beer drinkers, and pop drinkers alike, so you won't want to miss out. Come share a scotch, beer, or pop with fellow geeks. As always, everyone is welcome! Bring a friend, spouse, or co-worker. --- snip --- Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Thu Jul 10 12:04:27 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting tomorrow! Message-ID: Been busy working on installfest stuff. (Do we ever get these announcements out early?) More details at http://beer.tclug.org , as always. --- snip --- A TCLUG beer meeting is a bi-weekly get-together where TCLUG members can get to know one another and share a beer. The beer meetings are open to anyone and everyone, so don't be afraid to show up. When: Friday, July 11, 2003 6pm - 8pm Where: Great Waters Brewing Company 426 St. Peter Str St. Paul, MN Phone: 651-224-BREW Details: This location was requested by a LUGger who knows his scotch. The selection should be good for scotch drinkers, beer drinkers, and pop drinkers alike, so you won't want to miss out. Come share a scotch, beer, or pop with fellow geeks. As always, everyone is welcome! Bring a friend, spouse, or co-worker. --- snip --- Jima _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Thu Jul 10 13:03:02 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apache keeps shutting down In-Reply-To: <3F0CA1A8.9080808@therub.org> References: <3F0CA1A8.9080808@therub.org> Message-ID: <20030710180302.GI3863@autonomous.tv> On Wed, Jul 09, 2003 at 06:13:44PM -0500, Daniel Rue wrote: >Heyo, > >Quick problem, and I can't seem to figure it out. Every once in a while >(every few weeks, perhaps), apache stops running on my Debian box. >error.log reports "[crit] (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could >not bind to address 216.114.200.206 port 443". > >If I try restarting apache, I get the same error again. I have to kill >/usr/sbin/apache (which is still running, even though the web server >isn't responding to requests), and then it lets me start apache. > >So, what would cause this? Has anyone had similar experiences? Is it possible you have to installations of apache? Maybe one in /usr/sbin/ and one in /usr/local/apache/bin/ ? Or maybe you have another application that is trying to run on port 443. Are you using apache-ssl? What do your access logs say? for both apache and apache-ssl? Do you have something running from cron that is trying to run on that port? -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm hoping to use just two wires. > > I tried changing permissions on /dev/lp0 to a+wr and > doing "echo > /dev/lp0", but it didn't work. > "echo > file" puts just a newline in file. One byte. > > Echoing to the port hangs, perhaps waiting for an > acknowledgement. > > I've also tried looking around for a HOWTO, but it's > so involved and requires programming (which I can do, > but would like to avoid). > > I'd appreciate it a lot if someone would point me to > a site I can read to knock this out. Thanks. > > Chris Schumann > > (Hmmm... maybe I can connect the STROBE to ACK pin...) > > My guess is that you don't have the parallel port drivers loaded - do an lsmod to see. If you do, try echo'ing to /dev/lp and /dev/lp1. You can probably poke around in /proc and figure out where your parallel port is. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Thu Jul 10 16:23:43 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] apache keeps shutting down Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE180@mail.temgweb.com> Does it happen at the same time each day? It's probably your log rotation stuff... It probably is set up to restart httpd, and you probably added ssl and it doesn't properly handle httpsd. > -----Original Message----- > From: Spencer Butler [mailto:spencer@autonomous.tv] > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 1:03 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] apache keeps shutting down > > > On Wed, Jul 09, 2003 at 06:13:44PM -0500, Daniel Rue wrote: > >Heyo, > > > >Quick problem, and I can't seem to figure it out. Every > once in a while > >(every few weeks, perhaps), apache stops running on my Debian box. > >error.log reports "[crit] (98)Address already in use: > make_sock: could > >not bind to address 216.114.200.206 port 443". > > > >If I try restarting apache, I get the same error again. I > have to kill > >/usr/sbin/apache (which is still running, even though the web server > >isn't responding to requests), and then it lets me start apache. > > > >So, what would cause this? Has anyone had similar experiences? > Is it possible you have to installations of apache? Maybe one in > /usr/sbin/ and one in /usr/local/apache/bin/ ? Or maybe you have > another application that is trying to run on port 443. Are you using > apache-ssl? What do your access logs say? for both apache and > apache-ssl? Do you have something running from cron that is trying to > run on that port? > > -- > Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer > http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv > Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Thu Jul 10 16:32:26 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help Building Kernel Module In-Reply-To: <1057709804.25455.11.camel@3po> References: <1057695669.1419.38.camel@lotsa> <1057709804.25455.11.camel@3po> Message-ID: <1057872745.1419.793.camel@lotsa> Thanks to Mike and Karl for your help with this!!! I've wasted a lot of time with this. The problem was with the source package I downloaded (LiS 2.16.9). It 's a busted distribution. I finally ran across this while googling. Dr. Gurol Akman wrote: >When I try to 'make' LiS 2.16.9 on Sparc5, compilation fails due to:>> sys/LiS/genconf.h: No such file or directory> David Grothe (LiS Developer) wrote: That is what was wrong with the ".9" distribution. I botched the creation of this file. Pick up LiS-2.16.10 (now available). It has this fixed. I have 2.16.10 cooking up now. -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Thu Jul 10 17:04:24 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help Building Kernel Module In-Reply-To: <1057872745.1419.793.camel@lotsa> References: <1057695669.1419.38.camel@lotsa> <1057709804.25455.11.camel@3po> <1057872745.1419.793.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <1057874664.1419.802.camel@lotsa> On Thu, 2003-07-10 at 16:32, Tom Penney wrote: > I have 2.16.10 cooking up now. I spoke too soon. The build gets past where it was stopping before. Now I'm getting a bunch of warnings I don't understand before it fails. Here is the last 50 or so lines. Does anyone know what this means? I have done a "make oldconfig" and "make dep" in my linux source. make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/LiS-2.16/head/linux' gcc -DLiS -D__KERNEL__ -DVERSION_2 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -fno-strict-aliasing -Wno-sign-compare -fno-common -O2 -DINLINE=inline -DSTATIC=static -fomit-frame-pointer -I/usr/src/LiS/include -I///usr/src/linux-2.4.20-18.7/include -I///usr/src/linux-2.4.20-18.7/arch/i386/mach-generic -I/usr/src/linux/include -DSIGMASKLOCK -DLINUX -DUSE_KTHREAD -DMODVERSIONS -DMODULE -c -o exports.o exports.c In file included from /usr/src/linux-2.4.20-18.7/include/linux/prefetch.h:13, from /usr/src/linux-2.4.20-18.7/include/linux/list.h:6, from /usr/src/linux-2.4.20-18.7/include/linux/module.h:12, from exports.c:41: /usr/src/linux-2.4.20-18.7/include/asm/processor.h:51: warning: parameter names (without types) in function declaration /usr/src/linux-2.4.20-18.7/include/asm/processor.h:51: field `loops_per_jiffy_R_ver_str' declared as a function /usr/src/linux-2.4.20-18.7/include/asm/processor.h:74: nondigits in number and not hexadecimal /usr/src/linux-2.4.20-18.7/include/asm/processor.h:74: parse error before `0657d037' /usr/src/linux-2.4.20-18.7/include/asm/processor.h:74: warning: function declaration isn't a prototype /usr/src/linux-2.4.20-18.7/include/asm/processor.h:257: nondigits in number and not hexadecimal /usr/src/linux-2.4.20-18.7/include/asm/processor.h:257: parse error before `7413793a' /usr/src/linux-2.4.20-18.7/include/asm/processor.h:257: warning: function declaration isn't a prototype /usr/src/linux-2.4.20-18.7/include/asm/processor.h:261: warning: parameter names (without types) in function declaration In file included from exports.c:41: /usr/src/linux-2.4.20-18.7/include/linux/module.h:183: nondigits in number and not hexadecimal /usr/src/linux-2.4.20-18.7/include/linux/module.h:183: nondigits in number and not hexadecimal /usr/src/linux-2.4.20-18.7/include/linux/module.h:183: nondigits in number and not hexadecimal /usr/src/linux-2.4.20-18.7/include/linux/module.h:183: nondigits in number and not hexadecimal /usr/src/linux-2.4.20-18.7/include/linux/module.h:183: parse error before `62dada05' /usr/src/linux-2.4.20-18.7/include/linux/module.h:183: `inter_module_register_R_ver_str' declared as function returning a function /usr/src/linux-2.4.20-18.7/include/linux/module.h:183: warning: function declaration isn't a prototype /usr/src/linux-2.4.20-18.7/include/linux/module.h:184: nondigits in number and not hexadecimal /usr/src/linux-2.4.20-18.7/include/linux/module.h:184: missing white space after number `7a9e845' /usr/src/linux-2.4.20-18.7/include/linux/module.h:184: parse error before `7a9e845' /usr/src/linux-2.4.20-18.7/include/linux/module.h:184: `inter_module_unregister_R_ver_str' declared as function returning a function /usr/src/linux-2.4.20-18.7/include/linux/module.h:184: warning: function declaration isn't a prototype /usr/src/linux-2.4.20-18.7/include/linux/module.h:185: `inter_module_get_R_ver_str' declared as function returning a function /usr/src/linux-2.4.20-18.7/include/linux/module.h:185: warning: parameter names (without types) in function declaration /usr/src/linux-2.4.20-18.7/include/linux/module.h:186: `inter_module_get_request_R_ver_str' declared as function returning a function /usr/src/linux-2.4.20-18.7/include/linux/module.h:186: warning: parameter names (without types) in function declaration /usr/src/linux-2.4.20-18.7/include/linux/module.h:187: nondigits in number and not hexadecimal /usr/src/linux-2.4.20-18.7/include/linux/module.h:187: nondigits in number and not hexadecimal /usr/src/linux-2.4.20-18.7/include/linux/module.h:187: nondigits in number and not hexadecimal /usr/src/linux-2.4.20-18.7/include/linux/module.h:187: parse error before `6b99f7d8' /usr/src/linux-2.4.20-18.7/include/linux/module.h:187: `inter_module_put_R_ver_str' declared as function returning a function /usr/src/linux-2.4.20-18.7/include/linux/module.h:187: warning: function declaration isn't a prototype /usr/src/linux-2.4.20-18.7/include/linux/module.h:196: `try_inc_mod_count_R_ver_str' declared as function returning a function /usr/src/linux-2.4.20-18.7/include/linux/module.h:196: warning: parameter names (without types) in function declaration make[1]: *** [exports.o] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/LiS-2.16/head/linux' make: *** [/usr/src/LiS/head/linux/streamshead.o] Error 2 [root@many LiS-2.16]# -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Thu Jul 10 17:47:28 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] emacs customizing styles? Message-ID: <200307101747.28088@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> I =had= a really cool web site for allow emacs to autolearn your coding style, by setting a mark and highlighting an area. Thus, emacs would learn thing like you like this: int foo() { } verse int foo() { } I know this is vague, but I'm hoping it rings a bell with someone. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Jul 10 17:52:15 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] emacs customizing styles? In-Reply-To: <200307101747.28088@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Bob Tanner wrote: > I =had= a really cool web site for allow emacs to autolearn your > coding style, by setting a mark and highlighting an area. Thus, emacs > would learn thing like you like this: > > int foo() { > } > > verse > > int > foo() > { > } > > I know this is vague, but I'm hoping it rings a bell with someone. /me decides to start flamewar. http://www.vim.org? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.com Thu Jul 10 18:27:08 2003 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] adsl modems/routers Message-ID: <3F0DF64C.30702@cdf123.com> Hi gang, I need some recomendations. We are just getting DSL at the office and we're getting an ADSL line with 1 static IP. What I'm planning on doing is setting up a Linux router to use the line and have a web server on another machine with the Linux router forwarding port 80, and allow SSH to the router from the internet. I'll deal with that part later, but right now I need to know about the ADSL Modem. Qwest/Visi are providing the hardware and service, and they sent us an Actiontec R1520SU 4 port Router. From my first glance through the manuals it looks like this thing is it's own router/firewall (to set it up, you go to http://192.168.0.1 in any browser and enter your WAN IP in the config). Although the Windows setup allows your to plug in the router to a USB port and use it like an external modem/firewall. This makes it sound like it would be set up like this: LAN(192.168.1.?) --- (192.168.1.1 - eth0) Linux Router (192.168.0.? - eth1) --- (192.168.0.1) Actiontec Router (Internet IP) --- Internet My IDSL at home works just like a hub, so my internet IP is set on the Ethernet card that goes to the modem: LAN (192.168.0.?) --- (192.168.0.1 - eth0) Linux Router (Internet IP - eth1) --- Internet I looked at Best Buy and CompUSA for ADSL modems that would work like my IDSL at home, but they all seem to be firewall/routers. I googled for the router and Linux and came up with very little, so I'm wondering if it will work as a modem connected through USB on Linux. Does anyone have any experience with this router, or can anyone recommend a router/modem that would work better? Thanks all Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Thu Jul 10 18:42:19 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting tomorrow! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030710184219.5b84946f.sfertch@real-time.com> Whoohoo! Go home, grab the kid and head back down, I'll be there! At least this way I'm only a couple of blocks away from work if I get called while there. On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 12:04:27 -0500 (CDT) Jima wrote: > When: > Friday, July 11, 2003 > 6pm - 8pm > > Where: > Great Waters Brewing Company > 426 St. Peter Str > St. Paul, MN > Phone: 651-224-BREW > > Details: > This location was requested by a LUGger who knows his scotch. The > selection should be good for scotch drinkers, beer drinkers, and pop > drinkers alike, so you won't want to miss out. > Come share a scotch, beer, or pop with fellow geeks. As always, > everyone is welcome! Bring a friend, spouse, or co-worker. > --- snip --- > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Thu Jul 10 18:44:12 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "Make-up" Installfest In-Reply-To: <3F0D70F9.5050301@druswanderings.net> References: <3F0D70F9.5050301@druswanderings.net> Message-ID: <20030710184412.3d31ec14.sfertch@real-time.com> Sweet! Much better timing for me. AFIK, I should be able to make this one. Been having problems getting Slak to install on my system... =( -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Jul 10 19:12:10 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] emacs customizing styles? In-Reply-To: <200307101747.28088@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> References: <200307101747.28088@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20030711001210.GA18792@skuld.wookimus.net> On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 05:47:28PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > I =had= a really cool web site for allow emacs to autolearn your > coding style, by setting a mark and highlighting an area. Thus, emacs > would learn thing like you like this: Hmm... Not sure what that might be. Sounds cool. I ran into this on Google looking for your answer; very cool elisp module for Emacs that gives you that modern IDE feel. ECB - the Emacs Code Browser http://ecb.sourceforge.net/docs/ecb-help.html Ahhh! Here it is. Using the keywords "emacs mode C" in google, I found "CC mode"[1] on the SourceForge[2] site. In the online docs, they describe a "flexible indentation engine"[3]. Is this what you're looking for? REFERENCES ========== 1. http://cc-mode.sf.net 2. http://sf.net 3. http://cc-mode.sf.net/html-manual/Indentation-Engine.html#Indentation%20Engine -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The Actiontec routers work ok.. here's some options for what you could do in your situation: 1) Let the ActionTec do NAT for you, port forward 80 into an internal box 2) Use the "DMZ" feature (or whatever they call it) to forward everything from your external IP into your linux gateway; do NAT on that. 3) Buy a 4-ip subnet (2 usable, one for Actiontec, one for Linux box), and get a public IP on your Linux box that way. 4) Set the actiontec router up as a rfc1483 bridge, run a PPPoE client on the Linux box to get the external static IP on your linux box. Untested, but it should work. 5) Buy the 'S518' PCI DSL card from Sangoma, and say buh-bye to external routers! -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Jul 10 19:45:00 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] adsl modems/routers In-Reply-To: <3F0DF64C.30702@cdf123.com> References: <3F0DF64C.30702@cdf123.com> Message-ID: <20030711004500.GB18792@skuld.wookimus.net> Hmm... Here's a card by a British company. Looks like they provide binary drivers, but they do custom compile them for "any 2.4 kernel by using the Driver Engine at..." Read more here: http://www.thirdheight.com/support/downloads/pulsarreadme3_2_1.txt Here we go. Something a bit useful, a PCI roundup: http://www.adslguide.org.uk/hardware/reviews/2002/q3/pci-roundup/ The Solwise SAR-310 looked to have Linux drivers as well... Hmm... Looks like it's a binary only. They do have the stub files for the 2.4.x series, so with tweaking, I'm sure you could get it working with 2.4.21. The Connexant modules seem to work for the 2.4.18 kernel as detailed by this article: http://www.digitaltrickery.com/conexant-pci-notes.html You know what, I'll let you research more. I have other things to do tonight. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Trying the command above (from Matthew) also hangs. dmesg | grep lp gives this: lp0: using parport0 (polling). lp0: console ready And lsmod shows module lp is used by 0, so I think the driver is installed and working. I really don't want to look at the driver source. Any other ideas? Thanks, Chris _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jul 10 22:22:10 2003 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Sending a character out parallel port In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1057893730.19900.15.camel@3po> On Thu, 2003-07-10 at 20:06, Chris Schumann wrote: > Echo should indeed work. I thought echo alone would send > just a linefeed, which would work just fine. Trying the > command above (from Matthew) also hangs. I think you were right to think that something should come down the ACK line. I tried echoing to my desktop's printer port that has nothing attached, and it hung. Echoing to the port on my print server box caused the printer to spool up and spit out a page. Then again, I've had situations where disconnecting a printer would cause the bits to "dribble out"... (I had to do that to get printers to stop printing junk that was in the buffers) I think it's possible to twiddle the bits on a parallel port without worrying about ACKs, but it would involve programming. I doubt the homebuilt parallel-port TI-85 (or pretty much the whole 80-90+ line) adapters had any ACK stuff in them. I don't know if they ever worked in Linux, but I did get one built and working in DOS several years ago. (I think I managed to single-handedly get two school districts hooked on assembly-language games with that..) Also, I've been trying to find a good reference to the good ol' parallel port sound cards that were around for a while. I don't know if they handled ACKs or not.. Probably depended on the design.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ A complaint about the / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ complaint box. Delicious. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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What I'm planning on > doing > is setting up a Linux router to use the line and have a web server on > another machine with the Linux router forwarding port 80, and allow > SSH > to the router from the internet. I'll deal with that part later, but > right now I need to know about the ADSL Modem. Qwest/Visi are > providing > the hardware and service, and they sent us an Actiontec R1520SU 4 port > Router. From my first glance through the manuals it looks like this > thing is it's own router/firewall (to set it up, you go to > http://192.168.0.1 in any browser and enter your WAN IP in the > config). > Although the Windows setup allows your to plug in the router to a USB > port and use it like an external modem/firewall. > > This makes it sound like it would be set up like this: > LAN(192.168.1.?) --- (192.168.1.1 - eth0) Linux Router (192.168.0.? - > eth1) --- (192.168.0.1) Actiontec Router (Internet IP) --- Internet > > My IDSL at home works just like a hub, so my internet IP is set on the > Ethernet card that goes to the modem: > LAN (192.168.0.?) --- (192.168.0.1 - eth0) Linux Router (Internet IP - > eth1) --- Internet > > I looked at Best Buy and CompUSA for ADSL modems that would work like > my > IDSL at home, but they all seem to be firewall/routers. I googled for > the router and Linux and came up with very little, so I'm wondering if > it will work as a modem connected through USB on Linux. Does anyone > have any experience with this router, or can anyone recommend a > router/modem that would work better? > > Thanks all > Chris Frederick > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at infinetivity.com Fri Jul 11 08:04:10 2003 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help Building Kernel Module In-Reply-To: <1057695669.1419.38.camel@lotsa>; from blots@visi.com on Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 03:21:11PM -0500 References: <1057695669.1419.38.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <20030711080410.A3552@karlme.iexposure.net> > kernel-headers-2.4.9-34 > kernel-2.4.20-18.7 > kernel-source-2.4.20-18.7 Is there a newer kernel-headers package that would match the release of the others? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amoore at loneoakmn.com Fri Jul 11 08:24:45 2003 From: amoore at loneoakmn.com (Andy Moore) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help Building Kernel Module In-Reply-To: <20030711080410.A3552@karlme.iexposure.net> References: <1057695669.1419.38.camel@lotsa> <20030711080410.A3552@karlme.iexposure.net> Message-ID: <3F0EBA9D.7080700@loneoakmn.com> Karl Bongers wrote: >> kernel-headers-2.4.9-34 >> kernel-2.4.20-18.7 >> kernel-source-2.4.20-18.7 >> >> > >Is there a newer kernel-headers package that would match the release >of the others? > > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > According to the Main Man (Linus) the kernel headers should match the kernel that glibc was compiled with, not the kernel you are currently running. Aparently, his machine still has the headers from 2.2.X installed. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at infinetivity.com Fri Jul 11 09:39:29 2003 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help Building Kernel Module In-Reply-To: <3F0EBA9D.7080700@loneoakmn.com>; from amoore@loneoakmn.com on Fri, Jul 11, 2003 at 08:24:45AM -0500 References: <1057695669.1419.38.camel@lotsa> <20030711080410.A3552@karlme.iexposure.net> <3F0EBA9D.7080700@loneoakmn.com> Message-ID: <20030711093929.A3245@karlme.iexposure.net> On Fri, Jul 11, 2003 at 08:24:45AM -0500, Andy Moore wrote: > Karl Bongers wrote: > > >> kernel-headers-2.4.9-34 > >> kernel-2.4.20-18.7 > >> kernel-source-2.4.20-18.7 > > > >Is there a newer kernel-headers package that would match the release > >of the others? > > > According to the Main Man (Linus) the kernel headers should match the > kernel that glibc was compiled with, not the kernel you are currently > running. Aparently, his machine still has the headers from 2.2.X installed. I don't know who this Linus guy is, but according to me your kernel headers should match your kernel source if you want to compile kernel stuff. :) You might want to try removing kernel-headers and kernel-source packages, re-install just the kernel-source package, I don't think you need the kernel-headers(seems like this is just a bad idea of Redhats). _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Fri Jul 11 10:24:17 2003 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help Building Kernel Module In-Reply-To: <20030711093929.A3245@karlme.iexposure.net> References: <1057695669.1419.38.camel@lotsa> <20030711080410.A3552@karlme.iexposure.net> <3F0EBA9D.7080700@loneoakmn.com> <20030711093929.A3245@karlme.iexposure.net> Message-ID: <20030711152417.GB567@iucha.net> On Fri, Jul 11, 2003 at 09:39:29AM -0500, Karl Bongers wrote: > On Fri, Jul 11, 2003 at 08:24:45AM -0500, Andy Moore wrote: > > Karl Bongers wrote: > > > > >> kernel-headers-2.4.9-34 > > >> kernel-2.4.20-18.7 > > >> kernel-source-2.4.20-18.7 > > > > > >Is there a newer kernel-headers package that would match the release > > >of the others? > > > > > According to the Main Man (Linus) the kernel headers should match the > > kernel that glibc was compiled with, not the kernel you are currently > > running. Aparently, his machine still has the headers from 2.2.X installed. > > I don't know who this Linus guy is, but according to me > your kernel headers should match your kernel source if you want to > compile kernel stuff. :) > > You might want to try removing kernel-headers and kernel-source packages, > re-install just the kernel-source package, I don't think you need the > kernel-headers(seems like this is just a bad idea of Redhats). Linus was referring to userspace things should see the kernel headers that were used to compile glibc with. If you are compiling kernel stuff, you should compile against kernel headers that are current for your running kernel. florin -- "NT is to UNIX what a doughnut is to a particle accelerator." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If your compiling kernel stuff you should be using the headers located with the linux source, not the ones in /usr/include. > You might want to try removing kernel-headers and kernel-source packages, > re-install just the kernel-source package, I don't think you need the > kernel-headers(seems like this is just a bad idea of Redhats). The linux-headers package is for user-space development when linking to glibc. Therefore it is a pretty good idea that those headers match the ones glibc was compiled against. Of course, why anyone would need linux headers for user stuff is beyond me(I agree with you on this one). That's something to be brought up with the glibc people I guess. Anyhoo, info can be found at http://www.linuxfocus.org/common/src/article240/erratum.html. I know we're beating the same dead horse. I'm merely throwing out info. -- Andy Moore _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Fri Jul 11 12:30:24 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sending a character out parallel port In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200307111230.24246@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> On Thursday 10 July 2003 11:30 am, Chris Schumann wrote: > I tried changing permissions on /dev/lp0 to a+wr and > doing "echo > /dev/lp0", but it didn't work. > "echo > file" puts just a newline in file. One byte. If you are going to be wire-mangling you need to use /dev/parport0 linux-parport@torque.net is the best mailing list on using the parallel port for other things besides printing to a printer. Don't reinvent the wheel here, get libieee1284, it rocks. Here is code snippet for writing to /dev/parport0 in EPP mode. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ieee1284_data_write.c Type: text/x-csrc Size: 938 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030711/97ab7f06/ieee1284_data_write.c From amoore at loneoakmn.com Thu Jul 10 08:17:12 2003 From: amoore at loneoakmn.com (Andy Moore) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] "Make-up" Installfest Message-ID: <3F0D6758.1020301@loneoakmn.com> Due to the unfortunate truncation of our "Linux Power" on Tuesday, we will have a make-up installfest really soon. This info isn't on the webpage yet but since it's coming up fast I wanted to get the word out right away. Those of you who have business cards of people who showed up but weren't able to get done may want to contact them personally. Let's see if we can ramp this thing up in 9 days. 8-) When: Saturday July 19th, 2003 10am-5pm Where: Lone Oak Mailing Services 2020 Silver Bell Rd Ste 27 Eagan MN 55122 Located on the NW corner of Hwy 13 and Silver Bell Rd in the Silver Bell Business Center(just south of the river and just east of Cedar Ave). It's the ugly brown building with red trim kitty-cornered from the McDonald's. Power will not be an issue, however, we will need extension cords and power strips. The tables are tall so if you have to sit, bring a barstool or two. Pizza will be ordered around 12:30 with money being collected at the door (no pay - no pizza). Local mirrors will also be desirable as our internet pipe is only 512k. We'll need a volunteer or two to handle check-in (yep, we're getting organized... er... maybe). If there is anything else I'm forgetting, feel free to add info. This message is distributed under the GPL. ---- The Wandering Dru aka Andy Moore DWN WTH VWLS!! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amoore at loneoakmn.com Thu Jul 10 08:17:12 2003 From: amoore at loneoakmn.com (Andy Moore) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] "Make-up" Installfest Message-ID: <3F0D6758.1020301@loneoakmn.com> Due to the unfortunate truncation of our "Linux Power" on Tuesday, we will have a make-up installfest really soon. This info isn't on the webpage yet but since it's coming up fast I wanted to get the word out right away. Those of you who have business cards of people who showed up but weren't able to get done may want to contact them personally. Let's see if we can ramp this thing up in 9 days. 8-) When: Saturday July 19th, 2003 10am-5pm Where: Lone Oak Mailing Services 2020 Silver Bell Rd Ste 27 Eagan MN 55122 Located on the NW corner of Hwy 13 and Silver Bell Rd in the Silver Bell Business Center(just south of the river and just east of Cedar Ave). It's the ugly brown building with red trim kitty-cornered from the McDonald's. Power will not be an issue, however, we will need extension cords and power strips. The tables are tall so if you have to sit, bring a barstool or two. Pizza will be ordered around 12:30 with money being collected at the door (no pay - no pizza). Local mirrors will also be desirable as our internet pipe is only 512k. We'll need a volunteer or two to handle check-in (yep, we're getting organized... er... maybe). If there is anything else I'm forgetting, feel free to add info. This message is distributed under the GPL. ---- The Wandering Dru aka Andy Moore DWN WTH VWLS!! _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rodneyray at earthlink.net Fri Jul 11 11:28:48 2003 From: rodneyray at earthlink.net (Rodney Ray) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loose UPD Message-ID: <3849648.1057948149751.JavaMail.nobody@statler.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Anyone know how to enable Loose UPD within linux? I'm running Mandake MNF or Smoothie Bata2 (depending on the day) as my firewall and need to turn on loose upd in order to use enat with netmeeting video chat. Nothing on the web about it and I unsubscribed from Smoothwalls email list be cause I got tired of their attitude. Any info or help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance Rodney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at infinetivity.com Fri Jul 11 13:29:39 2003 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help Building Kernel Module In-Reply-To: <1057937975.6005.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>; from amoore@loneoakmn.com on Fri, Jul 11, 2003 at 10:39:36AM -0500 References: <1057695669.1419.38.camel@lotsa> <20030711080410.A3552@karlme.iexposure.net> <3F0EBA9D.7080700@loneoakmn.com> <20030711093929.A3245@karlme.iexposure.net> <1057937975.6005.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20030711132939.A8482@karlme.iexposure.net> OK, Andy, you are right that the kernel-headers rpm package holds the /usr/include/linux userspace stuff. Newer Redhat packages have changed to a more sensibly named package like glibc-kernheaders for this. My last suggestions are dead-ends, don't look for a new kernel-headers package, your build doesn't care whats in /usr/include/linux. And the make oldconfig and make dep is not needed(I tried it, works fine without.) I compiled your LiS-2.16 fine on my RH7.3 system with the 2.4.18-3 kernel and gcc-2.96-110. I'll try changing to your version of kernel tonight and see what happens. It looks like your gcc is not happy with one of the headers in your kernel source. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Fri Jul 11 13:23:48 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest follow-up In-Reply-To: References: <002f01c34626$9521d5b0$e496040a@laptop> Message-ID: <20030711182348.GB29948@fandre.com> On Wed, 09 Jul 2003, Jima wrote: > On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, Jason Lanpher wrote: > > Who actually runs or organizes the install fest? > > Whoever has the resources and time to organize one. > And then just send me the info and I will post it on the website. -- Clay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amoore at loneoakmn.com Fri Jul 11 14:32:58 2003 From: amoore at loneoakmn.com (Andy Moore) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest follow-up In-Reply-To: <20030711182348.GB29948@fandre.com> References: <002f01c34626$9521d5b0$e496040a@laptop> <20030711182348.GB29948@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3F0F10EA.9030405@loneoakmn.com> Clay Fandre wrote: >On Wed, 09 Jul 2003, Jima wrote: > > > >>On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, Jason Lanpher wrote: >> >> >>>Who actually runs or organizes the install fest? >>> >>> >> Whoever has the resources and time to organize one. >> >> >> > >And then just send me the info and I will post it on the website. > >-- Clay > I actually emailed the info to you Wednesday night but after taking a look at my logs a few minutes ago, I see it's still sitting there and won't go for some reason. I'm not at home right now to fix it but I just forwarded the info again here from work. --- The Wandering Dru aka Andy Moore DWN WTH VWLS!! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Fri Jul 11 14:42:03 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need OLD ISA serial card bigtime In-Reply-To: <1056987895.956e5900crc1021@myrealbox.com> References: <1056987895.956e5900crc1021@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <200307111442.03070@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> On Monday 30 June 2003 10:44 am, E Lofstad wrote: > It also might be the FIFO messing up the timing of the plotter. I believe > the FIFO can be disabled by changing the UART type to 16450 or 8250 using > setserial. Might be related, under Redhat linux the stock kernel doesn't enable FIFOs in the kernel for parallel ports. Is it possible for the serial code? Just thought I'd throw this out. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Fri Jul 11 14:47:12 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] load testing or system testing In-Reply-To: <2DE78F33FFE0D3118C0200508B94F9CA1E8788AF@uswaumsx08medge.med.ge.com> References: <2DE78F33FFE0D3118C0200508B94F9CA1E8788AF@uswaumsx08medge.med.ge.com> Message-ID: <200307111447.12526@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> On Tuesday 01 July 2003 02:26 pm, Sadanapalli, Pradeep Kumar (MED, TCS) wrote: > Thank you for all your responses. As we are migrating from Windows > Workstations > to Linux Workstations, many times I am facing the question "How reliable > and stable is Linux GUI or Linux?" I'll go out on a "limb" and say that reliablity and stability of Linux will be stellar. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Fri Jul 11 14:51:06 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:11 2005 Subject: Mailing list dictator responds :-) Re: [TCLUG] Jerry Ekegren/Lutheran Brotherhood/US is out of the office. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200307111451.06654@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> On Thursday 03 July 2003 11:26 am, Jerry.Ekegren@thrivent.com wrote: > I will be out of the office starting 07/03/2003 and will not return until > 07/08/2003. > > I will respond to your message when I return. I'm finally catching up on email, I know I got several complaints about this. What has the list/community decided about preventing it? Change the reply-to to the poster? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Fri Jul 11 15:09:55 2003 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:11 2005 Subject: Mailing list dictator responds :-) Re: [TCLUG] Jerry Ekegren/Lutheran Brotherhood/US is out of the office. References: <200307111451.06654@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <3F0F1993.3000407@structural-wood.com> Bob Tanner wrote: > On Thursday 03 July 2003 11:26 am, Jerry.Ekegren@thrivent.com wrote: > >>I will be out of the office starting 07/03/2003 and will not return until >>07/08/2003. >> >>I will respond to your message when I return. > > > I'm finally catching up on email, I know I got several complaints about this. > > What has the list/community decided about preventing it? > > Change the reply-to to the poster? > I seem to remember that after our last civilized discussion we felt death squads were the correct solution... Oh wait, maybe that was the SCO discussion. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at infinetivity.com Fri Jul 11 15:15:34 2003 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sending a character out parallel port In-Reply-To: ; from cschumann@twp-llc.com on Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 11:30:32AM -0500 References: <20030703170002.10204.66861.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030711151534.A9828@karlme.iexposure.net> Or if you want to bang on the hardware directly with some C code heres a start. Also see: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/mini/IO-Port-Programming.html#toc6 /*---------------------------------------------------------------------- | gcc -O1 toggle.c -o toggle |-----------------------------------------------------------------------*/ #include #include #include #include #include /* raw-raw! kernel headers rule! :) */ #include /* (glibc's kernel headers that is) */ #include int main(int argc, char *argv[]) { int stat, i; if (ioperm(0x378, 3, 1)) { printf("can't get IO permission\n"); exit(1); } printf("toggling printer pins\n"); for (i=0; i<100; i++) { outb(0xff, 0x378); usleep(10000); outb(0x00, 0x378); usleep(10000); } stat = inb(0x379); printf("Inputs = %xH\n", stat); ioperm(0x378, 3, 0); return 0; } #if 0 /**************** Some printer hardware notes(see IBM PC tech manual for schematics): | status port: control port: | 8H - -error 1h - +strobe neg logic | 10H - +slct 2h - +auto_feed neg logic | 20H - +PE 4h - -init pos logic | 40H - -ack 8h - +slct_in neg logic | 80H - -busy 10h - +irq | 20h - +enable read bus | MS-DOS PRINTER PORT-OUT 1 -STROBE --> 1H X7A PORT X7A 20H - enable data read. 2 D0 --> 1H X78 PORT X7A 10H - IRQ enable intr on 3 D1 --> 2H X78 "-ACK" true to false 4 D2 --> 4H X78 5 D3 --> 8H X78 6 D4 --> 10H X78 7 D5 --> 20H X78 8 D6 --> 40H X78 9 D7 --> 80H X78 10 -ACK <-- 20H X79 11 BUSY <-- 80H X79 12 PE <-- 20H X79 13 SLCT <-- 10H X79 14 -AUTO_FD --> 2H X7A 15 -ERROR <-- 10H X79 16 +INIT --> 4H X7A 17 -SLCT_IN --> 8H X7A 18-25 GRND <--> ****/ #endif _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Jul 11 16:07:23 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:11 2005 Subject: Mailing list dictator responds :-) Re: [TCLUG] Jerry Ekegren/Lutheran Brotherhood/US is out of the office. In-Reply-To: <3F0F1993.3000407@structural-wood.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Jul 2003, Kent Schumacher wrote: > Bob Tanner wrote: > > What has the list/community decided about preventing it? > > I seem to remember that after our last civilized discussion we felt death > squads were the correct solution... > > Oh wait, maybe that was the SCO discussion. Actually, that's been my proposal for "dealing with" spammers, too. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Fri Jul 11 16:15:13 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help Building Kernel Module In-Reply-To: <20030711132939.A8482@karlme.iexposure.net> References: <1057695669.1419.38.camel@lotsa> <20030711080410.A3552@karlme.iexposure.net> <3F0EBA9D.7080700@loneoakmn.com> <20030711093929.A3245@karlme.iexposure.net> <1057937975.6005.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030711132939.A8482@karlme.iexposure.net> Message-ID: <1057958113.1439.22.camel@lotsa> On Fri, 2003-07-11 at 13:29, Karl Bongers wrote: > I compiled > your LiS-2.16 fine on my RH7.3 system with the 2.4.18-3 > kernel and gcc-2.96-110. I'll try changing to your version > of kernel tonight and see what happens. It looks like your > gcc is not happy with one of the headers in your kernel source. Thanks once again for your help with the Karl, and everyone else. Getting Streams Built is only the first step of my journey. After some digging around I've found that this isn't going to work even if I do get streams built. I'm trying to install and run bayonne for a IVR notification system project. http://www.gnu.org/software/bayonne/bayonne.html To do this I need drivers for my dialogic telephony hardware (D/4 pci) which requires LiS streams. Apparently this will only work with some magic combination specific versions of RedHat release, kernel version, bayonne version, hardware driver version, and LiS Streams version. The documentation for the hardware drivers say to use only a specific kernel version which is no longer available (2.4.7-10). Newer kernels wont work. I've posted to the Bayonne-devel list. I'm not going to waste any more time with this until I hear what combination IS working for people. What a kludge. -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Fri Jul 11 16:20:06 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:11 2005 Subject: Mailing list dictator responds :-) Re: [TCLUG] Jerry Ekegren/ Lutheran Brotherhood/US is out of the office. Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE190@mail.temgweb.com> Won't that just cause a mail loop? No biggie if you have the bandwidth and the system resources, it'll just fill the person's mailbox up. Still not good though. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jima [mailto:jima@beer.tclug.org] > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 4:07 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: Mailing list dictator responds :-) Re: [TCLUG] Jerry > Ekegren/Lutheran Brotherhood/US is out of the office. > > > On Fri, 11 Jul 2003, Kent Schumacher wrote: > > Bob Tanner wrote: > > > What has the list/community decided about preventing it? > > > > I seem to remember that after our last civilized discussion > we felt death > > squads were the correct solution... > > > > Oh wait, maybe that was the SCO discussion. > > Actually, that's been my proposal for "dealing with" spammers, too. > > Jima > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Fri Jul 11 16:21:31 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loose UPD Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE191@mail.temgweb.com> > and I unsubscribed from Smoothwalls email list be cause I got > tired of their attitude. Well, if you were a paying customer, you'd probably get some help. :) Just kidding. Smoothwall guys are a bunch of dicks. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri Jul 11 17:11:38 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:11 2005 Subject: Mailing list dictator responds :-) Re: [TCLUG] Jerry Ekegren/Lutheran Brotherhood/US is out of the office. In-Reply-To: <200307111451.06654@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> References: <200307111451.06654@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20030711221138.GK2047@techmonkeys.org> On Fri, Jul 11, 2003 at 02:51:06PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > What has the list/community decided about preventing it? > > Change the reply-to to the poster? Mailman has a great 'disable delivery' option that they can turn back on when they return. Otherwise, i'd go with jima's suggestion. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Fri Jul 11 18:31:23 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:11 2005 Subject: Mailing list dictator responds :-) Re: [TCLUG] Jerry Ekegren/ Lutheran Brotherhood/US is out of the office. In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE190@mail.temgweb.com> References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE190@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <20030711183123.0455ebe0.sfertch@real-time.com> Is there an option within mailman to block or /dev/null messages with "I'm out of the office" text? It does come down to user training though. But I think some mail clients don't have the option to not auto respond to internet mail. As much as Notes sucks, they do pretty good with that rule. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Fri Jul 11 19:23:10 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Loose UPD References: <3849648.1057948149751.JavaMail.nobody@statler.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <006101c3480b$c6586db0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Rodney Ray writes: > Anyone know how to enable Loose UPD within linux? 2.4 doesn't support this, unfortunately. Or, at least, in the hours I've spent searching for info, I found absolutely nothing about it (besides confirmation that it's not supported). You'll need to enable port forwarding manually. This is how I do it for Starcraft (and other battle.net games). The router is 192.168.1.1. I use 192.168.1.2 as my Windows box which hosts games. The for loop adds forwarding for 192.168.3-8. eth0 is the external interface (connected to the internet). FWN="/sbin/iptables -t nat" IFACE="eth0" EXTIP=$(ifconfig $IFACE | awk '{print $2}' | grep addr | cut -b 6-) for i in 3 4 5 6 7 8 do $FWN -A PREROUTING -p udp -d $EXTIP --dport 6300$i \ -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.1.$i:6112 $FWN -A POSTROUTING -p udp -s 192.168.1.$i \ --sport 6112 -j SNAT --to-source $EXTIP:6300$i done $FWN -A PREROUTING -p udp -d $EXTIP --dport 6112 \ -j DNAT --to 192.168.1.2:6112 $FWN -A POSTROUTING -p udp -d 192.168.1.2 --dport 6112 \ -s 192.168.1.0/24 -j SNAT --to 192.168.1.1 -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Fri Jul 11 21:10:44 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sending a character out parallel port In-Reply-To: References: <20030703170002.10204.66861.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: <3834.192.1.1.23.1057975844.squirrel@dccmn.com> As I remember right, I think that there is a ready signal that the printer has to hold high for the interface to clock out data. Been quite a few years since I looked at a centronics interface schematic though. Chris Schumann said: > Hey guys, > > I've got a little electronics project I'm working on, and I > need to send pulses out from a PC that's got Red Hat 9. > > I thought the data strobe on the parallel port would be a > perfect way to do this, and I'd like to avoid writing "real" > program, so I'd like to do it using a shell command. > > The external device takes TTL levels, which are abundant > on the parallel port. I'm hoping to use just two wires. > > I tried changing permissions on /dev/lp0 to a+wr and > doing "echo > /dev/lp0", but it didn't work. > "echo > file" puts just a newline in file. One byte. > > Echoing to the port hangs, perhaps waiting for an > acknowledgement. > > I've also tried looking around for a HOWTO, but it's > so involved and requires programming (which I can do, > but would like to avoid). > > I'd appreciate it a lot if someone would point me to > a site I can read to knock this out. Thanks. > > Chris Schumann > > (Hmmm... maybe I can connect the STROBE to ACK pin...) > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kcbnac at myrealbox.com Fri Jul 11 22:51:12 2003 From: kcbnac at myrealbox.com (K B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: [TCLUG] Message-ID: <1057981872.dc23e120kcbnac@myrealbox.com> Well...I think I can make it *marks it on calander* I just need directions. Also, I think I've got the *perfect* mirror. I can bring my new system. I bought the Asus A7N8X Deluxe. If we get the nVidia NIC working, I can mirror for two networks (two built in NICs, one with the chipset, other's a 3com, which already works) PS- Running Mandrake 9.1. I also have Red Hat 9.0, can make ISOs for others (bring CDs, I can make ISOs and share 'em) Oh. I forgot. I've got 3 120GB WD Special Editions, and a 40GB. Maybe another 80, as well. So file space is NO problem. I can bring *thinks* 3 5 port 10/100 switches. If people have ends, I've got CAT5 cable. Just need ends and a crimper. I think that's all I have to contribute, besides having a 48x12x48 burner, so I can copy some CDs if need be. (Also, I have some new and used hardware for sale- if anybody needs anything, just ask, I'll tell ya if I have it) Hope to see people there! (Now...to find directions...) -----Original Message----- From: The Wandering Dru To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 08:58:17 -0500 Subject: [TCLUG] "Make-up" Installfest Due to the unfortunate truncation of our "Linux Power" on Tuesday, we will have a make-up installfest really soon. This info isn't on the webpage yet but since it's coming up fast I wanted to get the word out right away. Those of you who have business cards of people who showed up but weren't able to get done may want to contact them personally. Let's see if we can ramp this thing up in 9 days. When: Saturday July 19th, 2003 10am-5pm Where: Lone Oak Mailing Services 2020 Silver Bell Rd Ste 27 Eagan MN 55122 Located on the NW corner of Hwy 13 and Silver Bell Rd in the Silver Bell Business Center(just south of the river and just east of Cedar Ave). It's the ugly brown building with red trim kitty-cornered from the McDonald's. Power will not be an issue, however, we will need extension cords and power strips. The tables are tall so if you have to sit, bring a barstool or two. Pizza will be ordered around 12:30 with money being collected at the door (no pay - no pizza). Local mirrors will also be desirable as our internet pipe is only 512k. We'll need a volunteer or two to handle check-in (yep, we're getting organized... er... maybe). If there is anything else I'm forgetting, feel free to add info. This message is distributed under the GPL. ---- The Wandering Dru aka Andy Moore DWN WTH VWLS!! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list This is not about Napster or DVDs. It's about your Freedom. http://www.anti-dmca.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Jul 11 22:59:19 2003 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Semi-OT: Dual Head problems Message-ID: Hey all, Ok, so I decided that setting up a machine to do dual-head is cheaper than getting a bigger monitor (since I already have two small ones). The machine I'm on already has an AGP card, so I went out and got a PCI video card, which is nVidia-based (same as the AGP card - seemed like a good idea). The thing is, with the PCI card in, the machine won't boot. It dies whenever it tries to access the IDE channel. Just hangs. also if you go in the CMOS and do a DETECT IDE. Hangs. Even when I remove the AGP card. And move the PCI card to a different slot. Anyone have any hints? -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri Jul 11 23:37:02 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Semi-OT: Dual Head problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030712043702.GL2047@techmonkeys.org> On Fri, Jul 11, 2003 at 10:59:19PM -0500, Yaron wrote: > Hey all, > > Ok, so I decided that setting up a machine to do dual-head is cheaper than > getting a bigger monitor (since I already have two small ones). > > The machine I'm on already has an AGP card, so I went out and got a PCI > video card, which is nVidia-based (same as the AGP card - seemed like a > good idea). What AGP card do you have exactly? Does it have a DVI output? If so, you can get (or may have already gotten) a DVI->VGA adapter which would mean you don't need a second video card at all. GeForce2 and GeForce4 cards support this ("TwinView", iirc), GeForce3's unfortunately do not. Depending on what you have, it may be the same price or cheaper to pick up a GeForce4 MX 440 with the DVI output, (and again, depending on what you have) upgrade your video card all at once. > -Yaron -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Fri Jul 11 23:44:53 2003 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Semi-OT: Dual Head problems In-Reply-To: <20030712043702.GL2047@techmonkeys.org> References: <20030712043702.GL2047@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: Hey, On Fri, 11 Jul 2003, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > What AGP card do you have exactly? Does it have a DVI output? If so, you can > get (or may have already gotten) a DVI->VGA adapter which would mean > you don't need a second video card at all. yeah, I know that (my main desktop has that). This is an old GeForce2 GTS. It has TVOUT but that doesn't help. > Depending on what you have, it may be the same price or cheaper to pick > up a GeForce4 MX 440 with the DVI output, (and again, depending on what > you have) upgrade your video card all at once. I was going for REALLY cheap, and getting a cheapo PCI card is, well, cheap (I got a cheapo Gefore2MX). -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From STEVEWABC at netscape.net Sat Jul 12 00:29:31 2003 From: STEVEWABC at netscape.net (STEVEWABC@netscape.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail server Message-ID: <594A903D.3DD0151A.026842C8@netscape.net> Hello everyone First thing, its time for another Pint!!! I am running libranet2.8 with Apache web server and my DNS and Domain name are in...Now I need to start setting up a mail sever, for on my web page I have a E-mail forum that customers can fill out and send to me.. What is the easyest one to use? This hole server thing is so much fun!!!! Thanks you Steven __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mike at mikemaurer.net Sat Jul 12 01:03:47 2003 From: mike at mikemaurer.net (Mike Maurer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail server In-Reply-To: <594A903D.3DD0151A.026842C8@netscape.net> References: <594A903D.3DD0151A.026842C8@netscape.net> Message-ID: <20030712060347.GA7443@mikeworkstation> I've had good luck with exim on Debian. The config file is pretty straight forward to setup. It has a nice mechanism to process (and then munge [and continue processing] or forward) messages. I have it integrated with spam checking software and then sending messages off to mailing lists or forward to local users' real email addresses. There are a lot of online resources out there for exim that can help you do other interesting things to incoming mail. Mike On Sat, Jul 12, 2003 at 01:29:31AM -0400, STEVEWABC@netscape.net wrote: > Hello everyone > > > First thing, its time for another Pint!!! > > I am running libranet2.8 with Apache web server and my DNS and Domain > name are in...Now I need to start setting up a mail sever, for on my > web page I have a E-mail forum that customers can fill out and send > to me.. > > What is the easyest one to use? > > This hole server thing is so much fun!!!! > > Thanks you > Steven > > > __________________________________________________________________ > McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. > Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! > http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 > > Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! > http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From stevewabc at netscape.net Sat Jul 12 01:10:48 2003 From: stevewabc at netscape.net (Netscape) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail server In-Reply-To: <20030712060347.GA7443@mikeworkstation> References: <594A903D.3DD0151A.026842C8@netscape.net> <20030712060347.GA7443@mikeworkstation> Message-ID: <3F0FA668.9050402@netscape.net> Thank You and have a great one / I will try it. steven mike@mikemaurer.net wrote: >I've had good luck with exim on Debian. > >The config file is pretty straight forward to setup. It has a nice >mechanism to process (and then munge [and continue processing] or >forward) messages. > >I have it integrated with spam checking software and then sending >messages off to mailing lists or forward to local users' real email >addresses. > >There are a lot of online resources out there for exim that can help you >do other interesting things to incoming mail. > >Mike > >On Sat, Jul 12, 2003 at 01:29:31AM -0400, STEVEWABC@netscape.net wrote: > > >>Hello everyone >> >> >>First thing, its time for another Pint!!! >> >> I am running libranet2.8 with Apache web server and my DNS and Domain >> name are in...Now I need to start setting up a mail sever, for on my >> web page I have a E-mail forum that customers can fill out and send >> to me.. >> >>What is the easyest one to use? >> >>This hole server thing is so much fun!!!! >> >>Thanks you >>Steven >> >> >>__________________________________________________________________ >>McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. >>Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. 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For all TCLUG related pictures try: http://gallery.redconcepts.net/tclug Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Sat Jul 12 01:57:48 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:12 2005 Subject: Mailing list dictator responds :-) Re: [TCLUG] Jerry Ekegren/Lutheran Brotherhood/US is out of the office. In-Reply-To: <20030711221138.GK2047@techmonkeys.org> References: <200307111451.06654@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> <20030711221138.GK2047@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <200307120157.48148@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Friday 11 July 2003 05:11 pm, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > On Fri, Jul 11, 2003 at 02:51:06PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > What has the list/community decided about preventing it? > > > > Change the reply-to to the poster? > > Mailman has a great 'disable delivery' option that they can turn back on > when they return. > > Otherwise, i'd go with jima's suggestion. Must have missed jima's post. What was the suggestion? Spam'em? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Sat Jul 12 01:58:17 2003 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sending a character out parallel port In-Reply-To: <20030712011201.17013.10636.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: > From: Bob Tanner > If you are going to be wire-mangling you need to use /dev/parport0 > Here is code snippet for writing to /dev/parport0 in EPP mode. Thanks for this Bob. I'll keep it in mind when I really want to do some serious interface stuff. But for my current project, which is to toggle a TTL output, this is INSANE. If I have to write a program, it will be about three lines: 1) toggle bit, 2) wait, 3) toggle bit back. Using any library is just too much work at this point. Maybe you missed my original post, but I'd like to do this from inside a scripted language, and if it takes custom hardware, that's what it takes. Later, Chris Schumann _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kcbnac at myrealbox.com Sat Jul 12 03:31:30 2003 From: kcbnac at myrealbox.com (K B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] File Server Questions Message-ID: <1057998690.c69f65a0kcbnac@myrealbox.com> I am trying to find a replacement for my school's Novell servers. The goals are this: -User accounts must be able to be limited in capacity (IE- each user gets 5MB to use) -Must be able to semi-automatically create users (feed it list of names, create username/pw from that) (command line fine, can just write scripts) -Be able to handle many (up to and maybe more than) 200 concurrent connections (Current limit is 200) -Backups. Need to be able to do them in a timely, automatic manner. (Cron job or whatever nightly) Major plus if files can be backed up while user has file open. (Haven't found anything yet that does) Could I do this off of a basic install of Mandrake 9.1? Anybody got tips, or links, on how to do this? Thanks! This is not about Napster or DVDs. It's about your Freedom. http://www.anti-dmca.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Ryan at IntegraOnline.Com Sat Jul 12 07:51:12 2003 From: Ryan at IntegraOnline.Com (Ryan Oertel) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Semi-OT: Dual Head problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1058014272.1837.23.camel@sd3.mailbank.com> It sounds like an IRQ problem. Did you check your BIOS for conflicts? I had a friend with his modem on the same IRQ as the mouse. In order to download a file, he had to keep his mouse moving! I've been successful setting up two monitors with an ATI Radeon VE card, but that's got two outputs built in. -Ryan On Fri, 2003-07-11 at 22:59, Yaron wrote: > Hey all, > > Ok, so I decided that setting up a machine to do dual-head is cheaper than > getting a bigger monitor (since I already have two small ones). > > The machine I'm on already has an AGP card, so I went out and got a PCI > video card, which is nVidia-based (same as the AGP card - seemed like a > good idea). > > The thing is, with the PCI card in, the machine won't boot. It dies > whenever it tries to access the IDE channel. Just hangs. also if you go in > the CMOS and do a DETECT IDE. Hangs. > > Even when I remove the AGP card. And move the PCI card to a different > slot. > > Anyone have any hints? > > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030712/ef90e7f4/attachment.pgp From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Jul 12 10:28:51 2003 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Semi-OT: Dual Head problems In-Reply-To: <1058014272.1837.23.camel@sd3.mailbank.com> References: <1058014272.1837.23.camel@sd3.mailbank.com> Message-ID: Hey, On Sat, 12 Jul 2003, Ryan Oertel wrote: > It sounds like an IRQ problem. Did you check your BIOS for conflicts? Yeah, but this BIOS doesn't have that kind of options(it's pretty old) - and I doubt anything would assign IRQ14 to a VGA card! Anyway, the fan died on the old card so I might just get a dual output new card.... -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Sat Jul 12 10:30:04 2003 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Semi-OT: Dual Head problems In-Reply-To: References: <20030712043702.GL2047@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: Hey, On Fri, 11 Jul 2003, Yaron wrote: > On Fri, 11 Jul 2003, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > > > What AGP card do you have exactly? Does it have a DVI output? If so, you can > > get (or may have already gotten) a DVI->VGA adapter which would mean > > you don't need a second video card at all. Ok, the first vidcard is dying so I might try that, and I just remembered that I could never get that to work on my Geforce4ti under linux. Don't know how to refer to the seonds head. Any hints? -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Jul 12 11:55:48 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Semi-OT: Dual Head problems In-Reply-To: References: <20030712043702.GL2047@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20030712165548.GM2047@techmonkeys.org> On Sat, Jul 12, 2003 at 10:30:04AM -0500, Yaron wrote: > Hey, > > Ok, the first vidcard is dying so I might try that, and I just remembered > that I could never get that to work on my Geforce4ti under linux. Don't > know how to refer to the seonds head. Any hints? You'll want to use the nvidia binary modules, then just search google for 'xfree86 twinview' or something similar, I know there are quite a few sample XFree86 configs for it. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Sat Jul 12 12:30:13 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:12 2005 Subject: Mailing list dictator responds :-) Re: [TCLUG] Jerry Ekegren/Lutheran Brotherhood/US is out of the office. In-Reply-To: <200307111451.06654@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> References: <200307111451.06654@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20030712173013.GA30004@skuld.wookimus.net> On Fri, Jul 11, 2003 at 02:51:06PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > I'm finally catching up on email, I know I got several complaints > about this. > > What has the list/community decided about preventing it? > > Change the reply-to to the poster? I know this is a bit of a religious discussion about convenience for list members, but we've seen what happens when the "Reply-To:" field is set to the list. My vote is to simply remove the "Reply-To" field completely. Anyone second? -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 240 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030712/339480e7/attachment.pgp From jima at beer.tclug.org Sat Jul 12 13:09:54 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:12 2005 Subject: Mailing list dictator responds :-) Re: [TCLUG] Jerry Ekegren/Lutheran Brotherhood/US is out of the office. In-Reply-To: <200307120157.48148@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 12 Jul 2003, Bob Tanner wrote: > On Friday 11 July 2003 05:11 pm, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > > Mailman has a great 'disable delivery' option that they can turn back on > > when they return. > > > > Otherwise, i'd go with jima's suggestion. > > Must have missed jima's post. What was the suggestion? Spam'em? No, I merely referring to Kent's suggestion of death squads. I'm not sure what Poptix was talking about. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Sat Jul 12 14:22:11 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] BeerMeeting Pictures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030712192211.GE5777@autonomous.tv> On Sat, Jul 12, 2003 at 01:52:13AM -0500, Munir Nassar wrote: >A lot of people have asked me where the pictures are. > >on the beermeeting page(http://beer.tclug.org) if you click on the _date_ >of the beermeeting it should take you directly to the album of that day. > >For all TCLUG related pictures try: http://gallery.redconcepts.net/tclug You can also check this link: http://gallery.autonomous.tv/friends/TCLUG/ -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Here is a reference to a similar problem: (http://www.sandelman.ottawa.on.ca/linux-ipsec/html/2001/05/msg00440.html) Probably got messed up after the make oldconfig and make dep that I suggested. Try it again with a "make mrproper" before the make oldconfig, make dep. If that doesn't work, remove and re-installing the "kernel-source" package might do the trick(without running make mrproper and so on.) I got the LiS package to compile on an older RH7.1 system against the kernel-source-2.4.20-18.7, so it can work. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel at joelschneider.net Sat Jul 12 15:06:07 2003 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:13 2005 Subject: Mailing list dictator responds :-) Re: [TCLUG] Jerry Ekegren/Lutheran Brotherhood/US is out of the office. In-Reply-To: <200307111451.06654@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org>; from tanner@real-time.com on Fri, Jul 11, 2003 at 02:51:06PM -0500 References: <200307111451.06654@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20030712150607.E11862@joelschneider.net> On Fri, Jul 11, 2003 at 02:51:06PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Change the reply-to to the poster? I'd personally prefer to stick with "Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org" Would it be feasible for the list to set the Reply-To header according to the personal preference of each recipient? The other day, I noticed the Apache Jakarta Project mailing list guidelines contain a short paragraph on Reply-To. They provide links to different points of view and also say, "Bringing this up for debate on a mailing list will add nothing new and is considered off-topic." http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail.html -- Joel Schneider joel@joelschneider.net Linux makes computing fun again. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sat Jul 12 15:20:25 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail server References: <594A903D.3DD0151A.026842C8@netscape.net> Message-ID: <004b01c348b3$07473980$0201a8c0@brinstar> STEVEWABC@netscape.net writes: > Now I need to start setting up a mail sever, for > on my web page I have a E-mail forum that customers can fill out and > send to me.. You want qmail. Follow these directions and you shouldn't have any problems: http://www.lifewithqmail.org/ -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sat Jul 12 15:30:00 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:13 2005 Subject: Mailing list dictator responds :-) Re: [TCLUG] Jerry Ekegren/Lutheran Brotherhood/US is out of the office. References: <200307111451.06654@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <008901c348b4$5e36f900$0201a8c0@brinstar> Bob Tanner writes: > Change the reply-to to the poster? Don't munge the Reply-To header field (or any other header fields): http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Jul 12 16:23:16 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:13 2005 Subject: Mailing list dictator responds :-) Re: [TCLUG] Jerry Ekegren/Lutheran Brotherhood/US is out of the office. In-Reply-To: <008901c348b4$5e36f900$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <200307111451.06654@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> <008901c348b4$5e36f900$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20030712212316.GO2047@techmonkeys.org> On Sat, Jul 12, 2003 at 03:30:00PM -0500, David Phillips wrote: > Don't munge the Reply-To header field (or any other header fields): > > http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html Munge the Reply-To header: http://goatse.cx > -- > David Phillips > http://david.acz.org/ -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel at joelschneider.net Sat Jul 12 17:34:06 2003 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:13 2005 Subject: Mailing list dictator responds :-) Re: [TCLUG] Jerry Ekegren/Lutheran Brotherhood/US is out of the office. In-Reply-To: <008901c348b4$5e36f900$0201a8c0@brinstar>; from david@acz.org on Sat, Jul 12, 2003 at 03:30:00PM -0500 References: <200307111451.06654@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> <008901c348b4$5e36f900$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20030712173406.F11862@joelschneider.net> On Sat, Jul 12, 2003 at 03:30:00PM -0500, David Phillips wrote: > Bob Tanner writes: > > Change the reply-to to the poster? > > Don't munge the Reply-To header field (or any other header fields): > > http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html For the record, an opposing point of view: http://www.metasystema.org/essays/reply-to-useful.mhtml -- Joel Schneider joel@joelschneider.net Linux makes computing fun again. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Ryan at IntegraOnline.Com Sat Jul 12 18:04:36 2003 From: Ryan at IntegraOnline.Com (Ryan Oertel) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] one user per desktop? Message-ID: <1058051075.1836.38.camel@sd3.mailbank.com> Is it possible to have each desktop log in separately as a different user? I'd like to be able to quickly switch users without terminating an existing session. Ideally, I'd have each desktop be able to log on as a different user, then just use the pager to switch users. The goal is to let my wife can use the computer with her own settings while I can leave my editors open with 1/2 composed e-mails, programs and such. I've thought of rigging something up with VNC, but think it would be too much of a load/delay. PS: I'm using KDE, but it shouldn't matter. -- Ryan Oertel -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The basic premise of that essay is that it easier for people with lacking MUAs to reply to the list, while not breaking things too much for people with good MUAs. That is not a reasonable trade off for something that destroys useful information. Several good mailers support Mail-Followup-To, which is a much more correct solution to the problem. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Sat Jul 12 19:14:13 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] one user per desktop? In-Reply-To: <1058051075.1836.38.camel@sd3.mailbank.com> References: <1058051075.1836.38.camel@sd3.mailbank.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 12 Jul 2003, Ryan Oertel wrote: > Is it possible to have each desktop log in separately as a different > user? *snip* > PS: I'm using KDE, but it shouldn't matter. Recent versions of KDE have something built in that's kind of similar to this - when you lock the screen, beside the password prompt is a box that says "Start New Session", which launches a new KDM session on a new display. So, you can have independent users logged in. Haven't played with it much, but it seemed to work fine.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Jul 12 19:22:40 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:13 2005 Subject: Mailing list dictator responds :-) Re: [TCLUG] Jerry Ekegren/Lutheran Brotherhood/US is out of the office. In-Reply-To: <002a01c348d0$f560dff0$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <200307111451.06654@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> <008901c348b4$5e36f900$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030712173406.F11862@joelschneider.net> <002a01c348d0$f560dff0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20030713002240.GP2047@techmonkeys.org> On Sat, Jul 12, 2003 at 06:54:40PM -0500, David Phillips wrote: > Joel Schneider writes: > > For the record, an opposing point of view: > > Which is entirely wrong, for one simple reason: it destroys useful > information. It also makes it much more difficult to reply to the sender of > a message and not to the list. Really? What information does it destroy? Most Reply-To munging turns any previous Reply-To into X-Reply-To preserving the information. As for making it 'much more difficult', what email client *doesn't* have a 'Reply To Sender' function? > > The basic premise of that essay is that it easier for people with lacking > MUAs to reply to the list, while not breaking things too much for people > with good MUAs. That is not a reasonable trade off for something that > destroys useful information. Several good mailers support Mail-Followup-To, > which is a much more correct solution to the problem. What information is destroyed? A large majority of replies to messages on this list go to the list, as opposed to the original author. What is broken for people with 'good MUAs'? > -- > David Phillips > http://david.acz.org/ -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scanman at scanman.mine.nu Sat Jul 12 19:36:24 2003 From: scanman at scanman.mine.nu (Moi) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] one user per desktop? In-Reply-To: <1058051075.1836.38.camel@sd3.mailbank.com> References: <1058051075.1836.38.camel@sd3.mailbank.com> Message-ID: <1058056584.16226.1446.camel@nascent> Could you just run two X servers? On Sat, 2003-07-12 at 18:04, Ryan Oertel wrote: > Is it possible to have each desktop log in separately as a different > user? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel at joelschneider.net Sat Jul 12 19:48:15 2003 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:13 2005 Subject: Mailing list dictator responds :-) Re: [TCLUG] Jerry Ekegren/Lutheran Brotherhood/US is out of the office. In-Reply-To: <002a01c348d0$f560dff0$0201a8c0@brinstar>; from david@acz.org on Sat, Jul 12, 2003 at 06:54:40PM -0500 References: <200307111451.06654@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> <008901c348b4$5e36f900$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030712173406.F11862@joelschneider.net> <002a01c348d0$f560dff0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20030712194815.H11862@joelschneider.net> On Sat, Jul 12, 2003 at 06:54:40PM -0500, David Phillips wrote: > Joel Schneider writes: > > For the record, an opposing point of view: > > Which is entirely wrong, for one simple reason: it destroys useful [snip] Opinions vary. Many people feel that, for mailing lists, "munging" the Reply-To header leads to reasonable default behavior. People who really care about the issue can easily research it themselves and form their own opinions about the tradeoffs involved. -- Joel Schneider joel@joelschneider.net Linux makes computing fun again. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sat Jul 12 20:41:10 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:13 2005 Subject: Mailing list dictator responds :-) Re: [TCLUG] Jerry Ekegren/Lutheran Brotherhood/US is out of the office. References: <200307111451.06654@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> <008901c348b4$5e36f900$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030712173406.F11862@joelschneider.net> <002a01c348d0$f560dff0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030713002240.GP2047@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <001801c348df$d62c24f0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Matthew S. Hallacy writes: > Really? What information does it destroy? Most Reply-To munging turns > any previous Reply-To into X-Reply-To preserving the information. How many clients actually support that feature? Do you expect people to look at the headers before replying to you? > As for making it 'much more difficult', what email client *doesn't* > have a 'Reply To Sender' function? I am the sender of this message. Without Reply-To munging, you would simply use the "Reply To Sender" function to reply to me. With Reply-To munging, you need to somehow instruct your mail client to reply to my address (perhaps a "Reply to From" feature that knows about X-Reply-To). > What information is destroyed? A large majority of replies to messages > on this list go to the list, as opposed to the original author. What > is broken for people with 'good MUAs'? "Reply To Sender" is broken, as stated above. How do you know a large majority of replies go to the list? Unless you know about all mail that all list members send, it is impossible to determine. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From caveman at cyclox.com Sat Jul 12 20:31:44 2003 From: caveman at cyclox.com (jeffrey l koehn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] one user per desktop? In-Reply-To: <1058051075.1836.38.camel@sd3.mailbank.com> References: <1058051075.1836.38.camel@sd3.mailbank.com> Message-ID: Would it not be easier (just two mouse clicks - and login/logout is the correct way for several users) for one user to log out so the other user can log in? Because each user can have the desktop configured so the apps are preloaded on the desktop. ----------------------------------------------- On Saturday 12 July 2003 06:04 pm, you wrote: > Is it possible to have each desktop log in separately as a > different user? > > I'd like to be able to quickly switch users without terminating > an existing session. Ideally, I'd have each desktop be able to > log on as a different user, then just use the pager to switch > users. The goal is to let my wife can use the computer with her > own settings while I can leave my editors open with 1/2 composed > e-mails, programs and such. > > I've thought of rigging something up with VNC, but think it would > be too much of a load/delay. > > PS: I'm using KDE, but it shouldn't matter. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sat Jul 12 21:38:24 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] one user per desktop? References: <1058051075.1836.38.camel@sd3.mailbank.com> Message-ID: <001501c348e7$d4f1af80$0201a8c0@brinstar> jeffrey l koehn writes: > Would it not be easier (just two mouse clicks - > and login/logout is the correct way for > several users) for one user to log out > so the other user can log in? Because each user > can have the desktop configured so the apps > are preloaded on the desktop. As the OP said, that wouldn't do anything to preserve the state of already running applications. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Sat Jul 12 21:58:20 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] File Server Questions In-Reply-To: <1057998690.c69f65a0kcbnac@myrealbox.com> References: <1057998690.c69f65a0kcbnac@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <1444.192.1.1.23.1058065100.squirrel@dccmn.com> Our school is using Linux with Samba to act as a Windows File Server (AKA SMB). We are planning to set up quota to limit user disk limits, but haven't had a real need yet. We have a backup script that backs up the user file system to a networked PC, which the Admin then burns to DVD. (they prefered to keep the DVD burner on a Windows PC). We have a script that will add new users fairly easily. Backing up a file while it's open is a no-no, any any system I know of. You might want to check out Amanda for backups. Most of these are stock RPMs on Redhat. I assume the sames true for Mandrake. K B said: > I am trying to find a replacement for my school's Novell servers. The > goals are this: -User accounts must be able to be limited in capacity > (IE- each user gets 5MB to use) -Must be able to semi-automatically > create users (feed it list of names, create username/pw from that) > (command line fine, can just write scripts) -Be able to handle many (up > to and maybe more than) 200 concurrent connections (Current limit is > 200) -Backups. Need to be able to do them in a timely, automatic > manner. (Cron job or whatever nightly) Major plus if files can be > backed up while user has file open. (Haven't found anything yet that > does) > > Could I do this off of a basic install of Mandrake 9.1? Anybody got > tips, or links, on how to do this? > > Thanks! > > This is not about Napster or DVDs. It's about your Freedom. > http://www.anti-dmca.org > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Sat Jul 12 22:17:36 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] File Server Questions In-Reply-To: <1057998690.c69f65a0kcbnac@myrealbox.com>; from kcbnac@myrealbox.com on Sat, Jul 12, 2003 at 03:31:30AM -0500 References: <1057998690.c69f65a0kcbnac@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <20030712221736.B32032@thinkunix.net> K B wrote: > I am trying to find a replacement for my school's Novell servers. The goals are this: > -User accounts must be able to be limited in capacity (IE- each user gets 5MB to use) man quota > -Must be able to semi-automatically create users (feed it list of names, create username/pw from that) (command line fine, can just write scripts) man 1 passwd, specifically look at '--stdin' option that RedHat added around RH 6.x and up. you can easily script adding users and setting initial passwords this way. Mandrake most likely supports this option since they're a RH based distro. > -Be able to handle many (up to and maybe more than) 200 concurrent connections (Current limit is 200) shouldn't be an issue for linux :) > -Backups. Need to be able to do them in a timely, automatic manner. (Cron job or whatever nightly) Major plus if files can be backed up while user has file open. (Haven't found anything yet that does) automatic - cron is your friend there are a number of ways to do backups. some things to look at would include: amanda, rsync, rdiff-backup, or you could roll your own tar/gzip, dump, cpio, whatever scripts. > Could I do this off of a basic install of Mandrake 9.1? Anybody got tips, or links, on how to do this? most definitely. most things I mentioned will be installed by default, except the backup software. just google for it or check freshmeat.net -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Sat Jul 12 22:18:16 2003 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail server In-Reply-To: <594A903D.3DD0151A.026842C8@netscape.net> References: <594A903D.3DD0151A.026842C8@netscape.net> Message-ID: <4192.192.168.0.5.1058066296.squirrel@trutwins.homeip.net> > First thing, its time for another Pint!!! Ah yeah! > I am running libranet2.8 with Apache web server and my DNS and Domain > name are in...Now I need to start setting up a mail sever, for on my > web page I have a E-mail forum that customers can fill out and send to > me.. > > What is the easyest one to use? I think you're best bets are qmail, postfix and exim (In that order, IMO). Easiest doesn't really apply as much though with qmail unless you're used to the way Dan Berstein does software, but I'd argue it's the best bet when security is tops on the list. Not that exim or postfix are insecure, just that qmail is pretty much bulletproof. I've been running qmail for 2 years and have been extremely pleased with it. Have fun, Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From krblack at penguinpackets.com Sat Jul 12 22:25:09 2003 From: krblack at penguinpackets.com (Kelly Black) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sending a character out parallel port In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1058066708.2188.12.camel@pokey.penguinpackets.com> On Sat, 2003-07-12 at 01:58, Chris Schumann wrote: > > From: Bob Tanner > > > If you are going to be wire-mangling you need to use /dev/parport0 > > > Here is code snippet for writing to /dev/parport0 in EPP mode. > > Thanks for this Bob. I'll keep it in mind when I really want > to do some serious interface stuff. > > But for my current project, which is to toggle a TTL output, > this is INSANE. If I have to write a program, it will be > about three lines: 1) toggle bit, 2) wait, 3) toggle bit back. > > Using any library is just too much work at this point. > > Maybe you missed my original post, but I'd like to do this > from inside a scripted language, and if it takes custom > hardware, that's what it takes. Looks like it could be done in python, but unfortunately needs help from glue done in c. Thought I would google to check out the possibility of using python, and found this scary link: http://bigasterisk.com/toilet/PythonToilet2.html At least the toilet runs Slackware. Also this post sounded like it could be useful: ----- From: Jeff Epler (jepler@inetnebr.com) Subject: Re: How can I use printer port in python?... View this article only Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Date: 2000-12-11 11:30:02 PST On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 20:02:24 +0900, skidrow@nownuri.net wrote: >As the title says, I was wondering if there's anyway I can > >use printer port in python... > > In Unix, if your printer is named /dev/lp1, just use f = open("/dev/lp1", mode) and then look at the contents of the fcntl and FCNTL modules for ways to perform low-level manipulation of the printer. If you want to just write output to the printer, use f = os.popen("lpr", "w") and write to f. You may need to get arguments to lpr, such as "-p". There is bound to be a way to do it on Windows, but I don't have a clue how. There is probably no cross-platform way. Jeff ----- I have not tried writing to a port in python this way, but hey if you are using Linux or Unix, I would suppose you could treat the device as a file anyway. Just a thought, Kelly Black KB0GBJ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sat Jul 12 22:38:10 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:14 2005 Subject: Mailing list dictator responds :-) Re: [TCLUG] Jerry Ekegren/Lutheran Brotherhood/US is out of the office. In-Reply-To: <002a01c348d0$f560dff0$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <200307111451.06654@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> <008901c348b4$5e36f900$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030712173406.F11862@joelschneider.net> <002a01c348d0$f560dff0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: On Sat, 12 Jul 2003, David Phillips wrote: > Which is entirely wrong, for one simple reason: it destroys useful > information. It also makes it much more difficult to reply to the sender of > a message and not to the list. give me one example of useful information that was lost on _this_ mailing list.... last i checked we are still depating this particular list and not lists in general, mainly because this is a list-by-list issue. > The basic premise of that essay is that it easier for people with lacking > MUAs to reply to the list, while not breaking things too much for people > with good MUAs. That is not a reasonable trade off for something that > destroys useful information. Several good mailers support Mail-Followup-To, > which is a much more correct solution to the problem. first explain _what_ useful information is lost, then we talk about if it is worth preserving if in fact it is lost. Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Sat Jul 12 22:46:14 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:14 2005 Subject: Mailing list dictator responds :-) Re: [TCLUG] Jerry Ekegren/Lutheran Brotherhood/US is out of the office. In-Reply-To: ; from nassarmu@redconcepts.net on Sat, Jul 12, 2003 at 10:38:10PM -0500 References: <200307111451.06654@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> <008901c348b4$5e36f900$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030712173406.F11862@joelschneider.net> <002a01c348d0$f560dff0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20030712224614.B20247@thinkunix.net> Since Bob Tanner was gracious enough to host the mailing lists on his servers, which he is responsible for maintaining, I say, let him decide how this should be handled. He owns the mailing list. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Sun Jul 13 00:14:25 2003 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] one user per desktop? In-Reply-To: <1058051075.1836.38.camel@sd3.mailbank.com> References: <1058051075.1836.38.camel@sd3.mailbank.com> Message-ID: <1058073265.726.10.camel@cesium.druswanderings.net> On Sat, 2003-07-12 at 18:04, Ryan Oertel wrote: > Is it possible to have each desktop log in separately as a different > user? > > I'd like to be able to quickly switch users without terminating an > existing session. Crap! I just read something like this the other day. Unfortunately, I don't remember the exact syntax but I do know that you direct the X server to use a different display. Something along the lines of: ~$> startx :1 I think that should work. The new display should be the next Fkey up from the current display. In other word, if your current display is on F7, the new one would be on F8. When I get a chance, I'll do a little more research and try to figure it out. -- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net --Things 'n' Stuff-- DWN WTH VWLS!! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From np at f-matic.net Sun Jul 13 01:03:18 2003 From: np at f-matic.net (np) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kde 3 installation runaround with dselect Message-ID: <20030713060318.19023.qmail@mail1.qwknetllc.com> hello there, just trying to set up a new linux box and having some problems with kde 3 - i just wanted to check to see if anyone had any ideas. i'm using debian, installed using woody then upgraded to unstable. got gnome 2.2 using apt-get -u dist-upgrade, but kde seemed to disappear once i rebooted. turns out the problem seems to lie in these dependencies: kdelibs4 depends on kdelibs-data (= 4:3.1.2-2) kdelibs-data = 4:3.1.2-2.1 kcelibs4 seems to be pretty stubborn about kdelibs-data being no higher than 4:3.1.2-2 - when i dselect both of them and attempt to install, i get a loop of dependency problems and nothing gets installed at all. i've tried looking around for kdelibs-data 4:3.1.2-2 but can't seem to find any sight of it on debian.org or otherwise. am i missing something obvious here? like the fact that i probably be sleeping right now instead of worrying about it? :) best, nick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mike at mikemaurer.net Sun Jul 13 01:55:31 2003 From: mike at mikemaurer.net (Mike Maurer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kde 3 installation runaround with dselect In-Reply-To: <20030713060318.19023.qmail@mail1.qwknetllc.com> References: <20030713060318.19023.qmail@mail1.qwknetllc.com> Message-ID: <20030713065531.GA1268@mikeworkstation> According to http://packages.qa.debian.org/k/kdelibs.html, a new upload on Thursday broke the x86 version of kdelibs. Until it's fixed, I've copied the kdelibs files from my cluster's apt-proxy mirror to http://epoxy.mrs.umn.edu/~maurermc/debs. You should be able to install them with dpkg -i and get around the broken dependency. Let me know if there are any other packages to fix the dependencies. Mike On Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 02:03:18AM -0400, np wrote: > hello there, > > just trying to set up a new linux box and having some problems with kde 3 - > i just wanted to check to see if anyone had any ideas. i'm using debian, > installed using woody then upgraded to unstable. got gnome 2.2 using > apt-get -u dist-upgrade, but kde seemed to disappear once i rebooted. turns > out the problem seems to lie in these dependencies: > > kdelibs4 depends on kdelibs-data (= 4:3.1.2-2) > > kdelibs-data = 4:3.1.2-2.1 > > kcelibs4 seems to be pretty stubborn about kdelibs-data being no higher > than 4:3.1.2-2 - when i dselect both of them and attempt to install, i get > a loop of dependency problems and nothing gets installed at all. i've tried > looking around for kdelibs-data 4:3.1.2-2 but can't seem to find any sight > of it on debian.org or otherwise. am i missing something obvious here? like > the fact that i probably be sleeping right now instead of worrying about > it? :) > best, > nick > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Jul 12 14:16:56 2003 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] VGA -> DVI-HDTV? Message-ID: <1058037415.20780.304.camel@3po> I hope I'm not the only person who gets confused by the various flavors of DVI input/output connections out there. I've come across a Sony TV that has "DVI-HDTV" inputs, but I have no idea what that means, other than you can presumably connect a Sony HDTV receiver into that port.. I would like to know if this port is just another marketing term for one of the standard DVI interfaces, or if it's something different. Also, does anyone know if it is possible to hook a VGA card to this interface and get an image, or do you need a DVI card? Can you even hook a standard DVI card to this input? My understanding of DVI so far is that DVI-I is a fairly universal connection, allowing you to connect an analog VGA device to a DVI port and have something display. DVI-D only allows a digital-digital communication, as far as I am aware. There's also the dual-link DVI flavor, which allows twice as much bandwidth to pass over the cable (it has more pins/wires to transmit the data). This is for people who want non-interlaced video at resolutions higher than 1280x1024. Anyway, I'd apprecate it if anyone could tell me where DVI-HDTV fits into this picture, or if I'm totally wrong on the basic DVI definitions. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Tolkien is hobbit-forming. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I think it would be fair for a list policy to say something like: Your address will be disabled if you send any vacation messages or Your address will be disabled if you send more than one vacation message in one week > Change the reply-to to the poster? I hate this option. I know other people feel strongly the other way, but there good reasons for keeping the Reply-To field as it is. Of course, if the field ever went away, I'd quickly modify my .procmailrc to add it back in again, so impact on me would be minimal. I think that dealing with inadvertent replies to the list is much less troublesome than typing in the list address every a person wants a reply to be public (which I do, 99.999% of the time). Also, I consider the "Reply To All" button to be highly dangerous -- it would be used much more frequently if the Reply-To field went away. For people who really prefer to have the user's original Reply-To address, perhaps it would be possible to get the mailing list server to keep it as X-Old-Reply-To, and then anyone with procmail skills (or some other mail-mangling software) could set things up the way they like. I know this won't solve the vacation message problem, but there must be good procmail rules for filtering out the most common vacation messages... -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Reality is for people who / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ lack imagination. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The > goals are this: > -User accounts must be able to be limited in capacity (IE- each user > gets 5MB to use) Linux has had the capability to use disk quotas for a long time, though I think only certain filesystems support it (the standard ext2/ext3 should) > -Must be able to semi-automatically create users (feed it list of > names, create username/pw from that) (command line fine, can just > write scripts) This is not very difficult. Most Linux distributions come with 'adduser', 'useradd', and other utilities. I'm not aware of any utilities for adding lists of users, but I'm sure something would pop up if you looked around. Writing such a utility wouldn't be hard, either.. I should say that user management under Linux works under a much simpler principle than on Netware and Windows. You have users and groups, and that's pretty much it. There are no complex trees of users and other objects (like in Directory Services or Active Directory) on a standard Linux box, though there are ways to do that if you really need it. > -Be able to handle many (up to and maybe more than) 200 concurrent > connections (Current limit is 200) This shouldn't be a problem. I'm certain that others have had Samba setups running in to the many thousands of simultaneous connections. Samba may not be configured by default to allow this much traffic, but you probably only need to edit the configuration file to change it. > -Backups. Need to be able to do them in a timely, automatic manner. > (Cron job or whatever nightly) Major plus if files can be backed up > while user has file open. (Haven't found anything yet that does) In my experience, Linux applications usually don't mark a file as being "open" when something is reading it. I've seen it happen occasionally, but I think that only prevented me from writing to the file. If the system is configured properly, a "snapshot" can be taken of the filesystem, making it possible to recover to an exact moment in time, rather than the gray area of the few hours a normal backup takes. I've had good luck with using Amanda as a backup system, though many people find it confusing -- I hear it's great for anyone who has a tape robot, though. For people who find tapes too flaky or expensive, it now supports backing up to disk. Of course, there are many other open source and some commercial applications for doing backups. You could write your own utilities if you like.. > Could I do this off of a basic install of Mandrake 9.1? Anybody got > tips, or links, on how to do this? Most likely. This is one of the things that Linux is best at. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ You see, it's like the old / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ saying, "Everybody loves a \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) cane." [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030712/68d9635b/attachment.pgp From jethro at freakzilla.com Sun Jul 13 03:27:45 2003 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Semi-OT: Dual Head problems In-Reply-To: <20030712165548.GM2047@techmonkeys.org> References: <20030712043702.GL2047@techmonkeys.org> <20030712165548.GM2047@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: Hey, On Sat, 12 Jul 2003, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > You'll want to use the nvidia binary modules, then just search google > for 'xfree86 twinview' or something similar, I know there are quite > a few sample XFree86 configs for it. Excellent (: I'm nice and Xinerama'd now. BTW, Microcenter are selling an Athlon XP 2000+Shuttle MBoard for $129. Pretty good deal... -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scanman at scanman.mine.nu Sun Jul 13 03:34:40 2003 From: scanman at scanman.mine.nu (Moi) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] one user per desktop? In-Reply-To: <1058073265.726.10.camel@cesium.druswanderings.net> References: <1058051075.1836.38.camel@sd3.mailbank.com> <1058073265.726.10.camel@cesium.druswanderings.net> Message-ID: <1058085280.16226.1681.camel@nascent> On Sun, 2003-07-13 at 00:14, The Wandering Dru wrote: > ~$> startx :1 Almost. It's "startx -- :1". _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From STEVEWABC at netscape.net Sun Jul 13 09:54:11 2003 From: STEVEWABC at netscape.net (STEVEWABC@netscape.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] launching web page? Message-ID: <664E9EB9.4FDDA7E6.026842C8@netscape.net> Thanks to everyone here my Web page is now on its way!!!! 1. I have posted a underconstruction at mnservicemasters.com, and now starting to set meta keywords, I was told I should look into a link farm. Can someone tell me how this is done? 2. How long does it take to hit googles? 3. What else can I do to raise my placement? Thanks again Steven __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Sun Jul 13 11:05:23 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail server In-Reply-To: <004b01c348b3$07473980$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: On Saturday, Jul 12, 2003, at 15:20 US/Central, David Phillips wrote: > STEVEWABC@netscape.net writes: >> Now I need to start setting up a mail sever, for >> on my web page I have a E-mail forum that customers can fill out and >> send to me.. > > You want qmail. Follow these directions and you shouldn't have any > problems: Steve, avoid qmail like the plague. Its an incredibly vile piece of trash which should be stricken from the internet forever. People who advocate the use of qmail should all be beaten severely and survivors of said beatings should be shot many times with a very small caliber bullet. > > http://www.lifewithqmail.org/ > > -- > David Phillips > http://david.acz.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Ben Lutgens System Administrator, Server Wizard, Email Guru US Admins, Inc _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at andersonfam.org Sun Jul 13 12:14:14 2003 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F119366.5000909@andersonfam.org> Ben Lutgens wrote: > Steve, avoid qmail like the plague. Its an incredibly vile piece of > trash which should be stricken from the internet forever. > > People who advocate the use of qmail should all be beaten severely and > survivors of said beatings should be shot many times with a very small > caliber bullet. Ben , could you back up those claims? They seem pretty strong. I'm not trying to argue, I've just been researching the various MTA's recently, and would like to hear what you have to say about qmail. Thanks! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sun Jul 13 13:12:27 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail server References: <3F119366.5000909@andersonfam.org> Message-ID: <001201c3496a$51074da0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Erik Anderson writes: > Ben , could you back up those claims? They seem pretty strong. I'm > not trying to argue, I've just been researching the various MTA's > recently, and would like to hear what you have to say about qmail. He's just trolling for fun. qmail is the most secure MTA available and is one of the most powerful. There is a reason that it is one of the top three most popular MTAs and is used by huge mail sites such as Yahoo! and Qwest. This is a good review of many UNIX MTAs: http://homepages.tesco.net/~J.deBoynePollard/Reviews/UnixMTSes/ -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sun Jul 13 14:37:32 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail server In-Reply-To: <001201c3496a$51074da0$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <3F119366.5000909@andersonfam.org> <001201c3496a$51074da0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20030713193732.GQ2047@techmonkeys.org> On Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 01:12:27PM -0500, David Phillips wrote: > He's just trolling for fun. qmail is the most secure MTA available and is > one of the most powerful. There is a reason that it is one of the top three > most popular MTAs and is used by huge mail sites such as Yahoo! and Qwest. If it were all that, everyone would be using it. It's obviously not. As for 'used by huge mail sites ..': host -t mx yahoo.com yahoo.com mail is handled by 5 mx4.mail.yahoo.com. yahoo.com mail is handled by 1 mx1.mail.yahoo.com. yahoo.com mail is handled by 1 mx2.mail.yahoo.com. 220 YSmtp mta133.mail.scd.yahoo.com ESMTP service ready 220 YSmtp mta117.mail.sc5.yahoo.com ESMTP service ready 220 YSmtp mta208.mail.scd.yahoo.com ESMTP service ready Looks like they're only using it for the webmail interface (ie, sending messages from a browser), they had to write or modify something else to actually handle the bulk of their mail (inbound). And how exactly do you put Qwest into the classification of 'huge mail sites'? AOL, Earthlink, Microsoft(MSN), etc all use their own solutions, if qmail were perfect, they would be using it. 220 uswgne23.uswest.com ESMTP Sendmail 8.xx.x/8.xx.x; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 14:21:40 -0500 (CDT) Qwest.com is using sendmail, Qwest.net is using qmail, how do you explain that? -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sun Jul 13 14:55:01 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail server In-Reply-To: <001201c3496a$51074da0$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <3F119366.5000909@andersonfam.org> <001201c3496a$51074da0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20030713195501.GR2047@techmonkeys.org> On Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 01:12:27PM -0500, David Phillips wrote: > This is a good review of many UNIX MTAs: > > http://homepages.tesco.net/~J.deBoynePollard/Reviews/UnixMTSes/ Wow, and it's so unbiased! *cough* *gag* Are you sure he isn't your alter ego? He seems to frequent all the same djb religious lists. For all the experience he has with qmail, you would think he could get an email address from someone other than one of those free internet providers that expires every ~90 days. Another "bind/sendmail/* sucks! Use qmail/djbdns/djb*!" zealot, at least you didn't claim that it was unbiased. > -- > David Phillips > http://david.acz.org/ -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sun Jul 13 16:16:20 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail server In-Reply-To: <001201c3496a$51074da0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: On Sun, 13 Jul 2003, David Phillips wrote: Everything is flawed in some way or another, this is a fact that runs true in all computer programs. As i am reading this review i noticed: sendmail does this this this, BUT it has this big problem here, here and here exim like sendmail does this good thing but this and that bad thing postfix claims it is very secure but it is not smail like exim and sendmail that is: it sucks. oh yeah, it send mail to root a big nono zmailer not like sendmail and yet is like sendmail MMDF not qmail qmail, for qmail it did not list ONE deficiency... i find that hard to believe. there has to be something... my advice: play with them all, i started out with sendmail 6 months and a server upgrade later i moved to exim. exim was nice but i was using redhat at the time so i did not want to maintain my own exim rpms so i moved to postfix when i upgraded the server a year later. Before i moved to postfix i played with qmail. here is my experience: unlike 99.9 percent of the linux software that needs to be started at bootup. qmail is too good for regular init scripts and has to have its own crappy init scripts. but that is not all.. because of a crappy licence i can?t just down and rpm or two, i would have to get rpms compile them and hope i have all the dependencies. hope? heh yeah, more like ?good gawd, what do i have to down now?? because it seems qmail it too good for most everything on my server. so i figured qmail is too good for my server, and used postfix. I have yet to be disappointed. i suggest we all send in our qmail stories good or bad, and let that be the vote on weather or not qmail should or should not be mentioned here again. -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sun Jul 13 16:22:34 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 13 Jul 2003, Ben Lutgens wrote: > Steve, avoid qmail like the plague. Its an incredibly vile piece of > trash which should be stricken from the internet forever. > > People who advocate the use of qmail should all be beaten severely and > survivors of said beatings should be shot many times with a very small > caliber bullet. thats it? i think you are getting soft in your old age. my feeling towards qmail aside i think anybody who anybody who promote product X more than 5 times a week should be considered a SPAMer and kicked out. i am SICK and TIRED of hearing about qmail. -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sun Jul 13 16:58:52 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail server References: Message-ID: <001501c34989$f29d7b20$0201a8c0@brinstar> Munir Nassar writes: > unlike 99.9 percent of the linux software that needs to be started at > bootup. qmail is too good for regular init scripts and has to have > its own crappy init scripts. but that is not all.. What are you talking about? You can start qmail through init scripts just like any other software. Simply make /etc/init.d/qmail a symlink to /var/qmail/rc and make sure rc has an & at the end. This is how the FreeBSD port sets it up. Of course, the recommended way to run qmail and any other daemon is using a daemon supervisor, such as daemontools. daemon supervisors are much more reliable than init scripts because they restart failed daemons and allow for reliable signaling, something which is usually impossible with init scripts. > because of a > crappy licence i can?t just down and rpm or two, i would have to get > rpms compile them and hope i have all the dependencies. There are binary RPMs for qmail available. See qmail.org for a list. Gerrit Pape's qmail packages for Debian are excellent, and on FreeBSD it is a simple "make install" using ports. > hope? heh yeah, more like ?good gawd, what do i have to down now?? > because it seems qmail it too good for most everything on my server. That sentence makes absolutely no sense. What are you talking about? If you are referring to bad RPM dependencies, then blame the clueless people who made the RPMs you were using. qmail doesn't need anything besides libc. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Sun Jul 13 17:03:14 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail server In-Reply-To: ; from nassarmu@redconcepts.net on Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 04:16:20PM -0500 References: <001201c3496a$51074da0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20030713170314.A23101@thinkunix.net> > i suggest we all send in our qmail stories good or bad, and let that be > the vote on weather or not qmail should or should not be mentioned here > again. inevitably these holy wars will rage on forever. it just depends on what day it is and who feels like piping in. Don't we all have something better to do then bitch about what other people use? qmail vs sendmail vs postfix vs exim vs ... vi vs emacs what Linux distro is best (RH vs Slackware vs Debian vs SUSE vs ...) DSL vs Cable Coke vs Pepsi, Ford vs Chevy and so on ... these discussions keep getting repeated over and over again. folks, please search the mailing list archives before starting another of these flame wars. (course, last I tried searching didn't work but you can download a large file and search that). So the next time someone asks, which should I use, just post your positive experiences with . Let the person asking the question make thier own decision from the positives. And sooner or later, we all have to upgrade something. No software is perfect. The day it is, we're *all* in trouble. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Sun Jul 13 18:35:19 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail server In-Reply-To: <001201c3496a$51074da0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: On Sunday, Jul 13, 2003, at 13:12 US/Central, David Phillips wrote: > Erik Anderson writes: >> Ben , could you back up those claims? They seem pretty strong. I'm >> not trying to argue, I've just been researching the various MTA's >> recently, and would like to hear what you have to say about qmail. > > He's just trolling for fun. qmail is the most secure MTA available > and is > one of the most powerful. There is a reason that it is one of the top > three > most popular MTAs and is used by huge mail sites such as Yahoo! and > Qwest. > Does it support SMTP AUTH or TLS out of the box? Yet you call it powerful. > This is a good review of many UNIX MTAs: > > http://homepages.tesco.net/~J.deBoynePollard/Reviews/UnixMTSes/ > > -- > David Phillips > http://david.acz.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Ben Lutgens System Administrator, Server Wizard, Email Guru US Admins, Inc _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Sun Jul 13 18:43:13 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail server In-Reply-To: <20030713170314.A23101@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: On Sunday, Jul 13, 2003, at 17:03 US/Central, Scot Jenkins wrote: qmail vs sendmail vs postfix vs exim vs .. Exim wins that one > vi vs emacs VI by a MILE! > what Linux distro is best (RH vs Slackware vs Debian vs SUSE vs ...) They all suck. Windows OWNS! > DSL vs Cable DIALUP BABY YEAH! > Coke vs Pepsi, Ford vs Chevy Coke and "Anything foreign" respectively. I'm right, you're all wrong. -- Ben Lutgens System Administrator US Admins, Inc _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sun Jul 13 19:38:19 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail server References: Message-ID: <004801c349a0$38d27ee0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Ben Lutgens writes: > Does it support SMTP AUTH or TLS out of the box? > > Yet you call it powerful. qmail isn't bloated like certain other MTAs that include every feature possible in a single binary. The code for the core part of OpenSSL has almost twice as lines as qmail. It has also had several security holes. Do you really want to stuff all of that into the SMTP server? Due to qmail's modularity, you can add SMTP AUTH or TLS without modifying qmail-smtpd: http://www.suspectclass.com/~sgifford/smtp_auth/ http://www.suspectclass.com/~sgifford/stunnel-tlsproxy/ You might also take an alternate approach: replace qmail-smtpd with a different SMTP server: http://untroubled.org/mailfront/ -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From patrickm at citilink.com Sun Jul 13 19:23:09 2003 From: patrickm at citilink.com (Patrick McCabe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail server In-Reply-To: References: <20030713170314.A23101@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030713191406.025b4c50@mail.citilink.com> I know people are annoyed at the holy war over mail servers, but this is useful to me, or would be if you would give some reasons why your favorite is the best. I have been adding Linux machines to our small company for a year or so now (file server, router, etc). It's approaching time to tackle the Web and Mail servers, which are currently IIS and Exchange. I am most intimidated by the mail server and would appreciate any suggestions on reading material to get me started, and, yes, even suggestions on which mail server to use. At 06:43 PM 7/13/2003 -0500, Ben Lutgens wrote: >On Sunday, Jul 13, 2003, at 17:03 US/Central, Scot Jenkins wrote: > >qmail vs sendmail vs postfix vs exim vs .. > >Exim wins that one _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Sun Jul 13 21:17:22 2003 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] environment with graphical desktop Message-ID: <16146.4786.460398.343977@gargle.gargle.HOWL> I have been running Mandrake, and booting to run level 5. This gets me into KDE. I have a desktop icon that runs Xemacs. I've been disappointed to find that my ordinary shell environment (path, other environment variables, aliases), initiated by ~/.tcshrc, is not available to me when I start xemacs by clicking on this icon. I suspect this is the same no matter what program I run, if it's initiated graphically. What I was wondering is "how can I get my ordinary shell environment in place in the course of logging in through kdm (or other display manager)?" Thanks! R _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Sun Jul 13 22:05:30 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail server In-Reply-To: <004801c349a0$38d27ee0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <06E35646-B5A8-11D7-81A1-000393B94258@us-admins.com> On Sunday, Jul 13, 2003, at 19:38 US/Central, David Phillips wrote: > The code for the core part of OpenSSL has almost twice as lines as > qmail. > It has also had several security holes. Do you really want to stuff > all of > that into the SMTP server? Actually yes i would. Either way the code is open for peer review. > Due to qmail's modularity, you can add SMTP AUTH or TLS without > modifying > qmail-smtpd: Why when my choice of smtp does it all. And does it well. And does it safely. And doesn't create additional administration overhead. > http://www.suspectclass.com/~sgifford/smtp_auth/ > http://www.suspectclass.com/~sgifford/stunnel-tlsproxy/ > Additional pieces means more to update, and more to configure, and more to maintain. No thanks. I update my smtp server in one fell swoop. I may yet evaluate postfix. We shall see. > You might also take an alternate approach: replace qmail-smtpd with a > different SMTP server: > > http://untroubled.org/mailfront/ > > -- > David Phillips > http://david.acz.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Ben Lutgens System Administrator, Server Wizard, Email Guru US Admins, Inc _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Sun Jul 13 22:06:24 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail server In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030713191406.025b4c50@mail.citilink.com> Message-ID: <26E32529-B5A8-11D7-81A1-000393B94258@us-admins.com> On Sunday, Jul 13, 2003, at 19:23 US/Central, Patrick McCabe wrote: > I know people are annoyed at the holy war over mail servers, but this > is useful to me, or would be if you would give some reasons why your > favorite is the best. I have been adding Linux machines to our small > company for a year or so now (file server, router, etc). It's > approaching time to tackle the Web and Mail servers, which are > currently IIS and Exchange. I am most intimidated by the mail server > and would appreciate any suggestions on reading material to get me > started, and, yes, even suggestions on which mail server to use. Give them all a try. Figure out which one suits your needs best and go with it. > > At 06:43 PM 7/13/2003 -0500, Ben Lutgens wrote: >> On Sunday, Jul 13, 2003, at 17:03 US/Central, Scot Jenkins wrote: >> >> qmail vs sendmail vs postfix vs exim vs .. >> >> Exim wins that one > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Ben Lutgens System Administrator, Server Wizard, Email Guru US Admins, Inc _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mj at JENTGES.NET Sun Jul 13 22:16:14 2003 From: mj at JENTGES.NET (M. Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:16 2005 Subject: Mailing list dictator responds :-) Re: [TCLUG] Jerry Ekegren/Lutheran Brotherhood/US is out of the office. In-Reply-To: <1058036448.20780.269.camel@3po> References: <200307111451.06654@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> <1058036448.20780.269.camel@3po> Message-ID: <3F12207E.5050107@toyotavans.org> Of course, the completely hilarious part of this whole thread is the number of 'argumentative?' messages, upset, etc. that this vacation message generated here. I don't by any means keep count, but I personally don't recall seeing enough of them pass thru to make it the "issue of the week" like it seems to have done. It is also required by some companies that people do this when they ARE gone. I rather doubt the first thing on the lusers mind is "OH! I better make sure that vacation message goes everywhere but the TCLUG list" as they are eagerly prepping for their often times well earned vacation. I expect something along the lines of tackle boxes, or whatever one might be into or have planned for their time off is the primary distraction, voluntarily or not. Since I'm of the simple sort, I wonder what would be wrong with a simple procmail ---> /dev/null rule based on "out of the office" in the message body, subject or whatever. I mean there are only so many ways to say "I'm gone." No fuss, no muss, and nobody is the wiser/pissed off, or whatever. .01 (Bad Sales Month) :) Mike Hicks wrote: > On Fri, 2003-07-11 at 14:51, Bob Tanner wrote: > >>I'm finally catching up on email, I know I got several complaints about this. >> >>What has the list/community decided about preventing it? > > > I think it would be fair for a list policy to say something like: > > Your address will be disabled if you send any vacation messages > > or > > Your address will be disabled if you send more than one vacation > message in one week > > >>Change the reply-to to the poster? > > > I hate this option. I know other people feel strongly the other way, > but there good reasons for keeping the Reply-To field as it is. Of > course, if the field ever went away, I'd quickly modify my .procmailrc > to add it back in again, so impact on me would be minimal. > > I think that dealing with inadvertent replies to the list is much less > troublesome than typing in the list address every a person wants a reply > to be public (which I do, 99.999% of the time). Also, I consider the > "Reply To All" button to be highly dangerous -- it would be used much > more frequently if the Reply-To field went away. > > For people who really prefer to have the user's original Reply-To > address, perhaps it would be possible to get the mailing list server to > keep it as X-Old-Reply-To, and then anyone with procmail skills (or some > other mail-mangling software) could set things up the way they like. > > I know this won't solve the vacation message problem, but there must be > good procmail rules for filtering out the most common vacation > messages... > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From STEVEWABC at netscape.net Sun Jul 13 22:18:31 2003 From: STEVEWABC at netscape.net (STEVEWABC@netscape.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail server Message-ID: <6A49DE6B.5129B2B0.026842C8@netscape.net> I'm with you on this one Patrick, When I put this post out there I was reading and Reading about mail servers and before long I was lost.... All I wanted was to get my mail with out alot of problems not start a WAR to which I did!!!! lolol I think the Next Post will be about "Bush" !!!! The dumm " " that he has become..... Some of us out here are vary new to linux and I must say this just Blasted me, What I'm hering is you dont want qmail even if it is the best out there at this timem, unless you have time to play with the Dep. Hell thing. The others work ok but dont keep you vary safe so roll the dice....I must say Great !!!!!!! Patrick McCabe wrote: >I know people are annoyed at the holy war over mail servers, but this is >useful to me, or would be if you would give some reasons why your favorite >is the best. I have been adding Linux machines to our small company for a >year or so now (file server, router, etc). It's approaching time to tackle >the Web and Mail servers, which are currently IIS and Exchange. I am most >intimidated by the mail server and would appreciate any suggestions on >reading material to get me started, and, yes, even suggestions on which >mail server to use. > >At 06:43 PM 7/13/2003 -0500, Ben Lutgens wrote: >>On Sunday, Jul 13, 2003, at 17:03 US/Central, Scot Jenkins wrote: >> >>qmail vs sendmail vs postfix vs exim vs .. >> >>Exim wins that one > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Sun Jul 13 22:22:49 2003 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] environment with graphical desktop In-Reply-To: <16146.4786.460398.343977@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <16146.4786.460398.343977@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <200307132222.49371.jack@jacku.com> On Sunday 13 July 2003 9:17 pm, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > I have been running Mandrake, and booting to run level 5. This gets > me into KDE. I have a desktop icon that runs Xemacs. I've been > disappointed to find that my ordinary shell environment (path, other > environment variables, aliases), initiated by ~/.tcshrc, is not > available to me when I start xemacs by clicking on this icon. I > suspect this is the same no matter what program I run, if it's > initiated graphically. What I was wondering is "how can I get my > ordinary shell environment in place in the course of logging in > through kdm (or other display manager)?" > > Thanks! > R > Note: I have not tried this so I don't now if it will do what you want. There is an option on KDE launchers to run the application in a terminal. As long as KDE opens your default shell I to run the app it should load your environment. The option is on the Execute tab of the icon properties. Good Luck! -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Sun Jul 13 22:52:39 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:16 2005 Subject: Poll Administrator?? was Re: Mailing list dictator responds :-) Re: [TCLUG] Jerry Ekegren/Lutheran Brotherhood/US is out of the office. In-Reply-To: <20030712173013.GA30004@skuld.wookimus.net> References: <200307111451.06654@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> <20030712173013.GA30004@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <200307132252.39765@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Saturday 12 July 2003 12:30 pm, Chad Walstrom wrote: > On Fri, Jul 11, 2003 at 02:51:06PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > I'm finally catching up on email, I know I got several complaints > > about this. > > > > What has the list/community decided about preventing it? > > > > Change the reply-to to the poster? > > I know this is a bit of a religious discussion about convenience for > list members, but we've seen what happens when the "Reply-To:" field is > set to the list. My vote is to simply remove the "Reply-To" field > completely. > > Anyone second? Poll Administrator can you make a new poll for this? What should we do about Reply-To: on the mailing list: Remove completely Change to the poster's email address Leave it to the lists's email address Switch to Outlook -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Sun Jul 13 22:55:37 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] not in any way/shape/form Linux related In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D362D@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D362D@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <200307132255.37624@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Tuesday 08 July 2003 10:07 am, Lansing, Dan wrote: > I realize I risk flames for putting this here but I do not care. I just > wanted to brag a second and tell the word that my first child was born > early Sunday morning and I am now ascending to the ranks of a proud parent. > If anyone would like more details feel free to email me off list. That is > all Condolences! -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Sun Jul 13 23:01:27 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: prior subscription In-Reply-To: <20030710053536.52724.qmail@web10503.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030710053536.52724.qmail@web10503.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200307132301.27956@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Thursday 10 July 2003 12:35 am, Skerbie wrote: > I can not log in to make the change. Do I need to > resubscribe with the new address? Resubscibe with the new address. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Sun Jul 13 23:06:34 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sending a character out parallel port In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200307132306.34606@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Saturday 12 July 2003 01:58 am, Chris Schumann wrote: > > From: Bob Tanner > > > > If you are going to be wire-mangling you need to use /dev/parport0 > > > > Here is code snippet for writing to /dev/parport0 in EPP mode. > > Thanks for this Bob. I'll keep it in mind when I really want > to do some serious interface stuff. > > But for my current project, which is to toggle a TTL output, > this is INSANE. If I have to write a program, it will be > about three lines: 1) toggle bit, 2) wait, 3) toggle bit back. > > Using any library is just too much work at this point. > > Maybe you missed my original post, but I'd like to do this > from inside a scripted language, and if it takes custom > hardware, that's what it takes. I have been working on a parallel port project from Oct 2002, I think I'm starting to urinate SuperIO documentation! I'll let you struggle, but I can tell you the code I sent is about as bare min as you can get when you want to get to the bit level of the parallel port -in user space-. You can outb(2) if you want to setperm() or run as root. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Sun Jul 13 23:16:15 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:16 2005 Subject: Mailing list dictator responds :-) Re: [TCLUG] Jerry Ekegren/Lutheran Brotherhood/US is out of the office. In-Reply-To: <20030712224614.B20247@thinkunix.net> References: <20030712224614.B20247@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <200307132316.15789@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Saturday 12 July 2003 10:46 pm, Scot Jenkins wrote: > Since Bob Tanner was gracious enough to host the mailing lists on his > servers, which he is responsible for maintaining, I say, let him > decide how this should be handled. He owns the mailing list. I maintainthe box the mailing list lives on. I maintain the wire the data flows on, but I in no way own the mailing list. It's the communities. I want to make that very clear. If I owned the list, I would have just RBL's the entire domain, maybe the complete CIDR of the sender. :-P (for the humor challenged, this is a joke). If the list can't decide, which is what it looks like from the discussion, I'll have to exercise my dictator authority. I'll see if the poll admin picks up the previous thread and see what the voting shows. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Mon Jul 14 02:44:07 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:16 2005 Subject: Mailing list dictator responds :-) Re: [TCLUG] Jerry Ekegren/Lutheran Brotherhood/US is out of the office. In-Reply-To: <200307132316.15789@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>; from tanner@real-time.com on Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 11:16:15PM -0500 References: <20030712224614.B20247@thinkunix.net> <200307132316.15789@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20030714024407.A16463@thinkunix.net> Bob Tanner wrote: > I maintainthe box the mailing list lives on. I maintain the wire the data > flows on, but I in no way own the mailing list. It's the communities. I want > to make that very clear. Is that why the subject of this thread is "mailing list dictator responds"? :) > If the list can't decide, which is what it looks like from the discussion, > I'll have to exercise my dictator authority. > I'll see if the poll admin picks up the previous thread and see what the > voting shows. a poll would definitely be more democratic. -- -scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Mon Jul 14 08:21:37 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail server In-Reply-To: <001201c3496a$51074da0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: On Sun, 13 Jul 2003, David Phillips wrote: (In regards to our very own Idiot Ben) > He's just trolling for fun. Wasn't that obvious? Why else would he be trolling? So why are you trolling? Fun? Profit? Other? Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bruce.broecker at toro.com Mon Jul 14 09:17:40 2003 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail server Message-ID: >I know people are annoyed at the holy war over mail servers, but this is >useful to me, or would be if you would give some reasons why your favorite >is the best. I have been adding Linux machines to our small company for a >year or so now (file server, router, etc). It's approaching time to tackle >the Web and Mail servers, which are currently IIS and Exchange. I am most >intimidated by the mail server and would appreciate any suggestions on >reading material to get me started, and, yes, even suggestions on which >mail server to use. You've seen mention of the main MTAs. I've tried Postfix and Qmail. I was forced into supporting Sendmail at work for a while. Now, I only have to support my home mail server, so take this for what it's worth. I'm currently using Courier MTA (www.courier-mta.org). My selection criteria were: 1. Maildirs and not mbox 2. IMAP support 3. Web interface Courier IMAP is a very well regarded IMAP implementation for Maildir formats. Following down that lead, I stumbled onto the full Courier package, which did everything I wanted it to do in one fell swoop. This is not to say it's monolithic. Sam V. (the main developer)has done a good job of modularizing the system so you only install what you want. A lot of people replace the webmail interface with Squirrel or one of the other, prettier web interfaces. The one down point is, the documentation is convoluted. You have to read EVERYTHING and there are frequent RTFM references on the mailing lists (Sam can be moody). Hope that helps, Bruce Bruce Broecker Network Comm Supervisor The Toro Company _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Mon Jul 14 09:26:12 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail server Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE193@mail.temgweb.com> I use postfix. After extensive testing, I was able to get higher performance out of than qmail (I used to run a big mail cluster for my old employer). It's very simple to administer, you don't even have to edit config files, just use the postconf command. Note that you'll still have to install an IMAP or POP server with this, it's just the MTA (like sendmail). But, if you're trying to replace exchange, you might look at http://www.opengroupware.org It's supposed to be an exchange replacement, and apparently the outlook calendaring stuff works with it. I haven't tried it, so I can't really give you any opinions on it. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce Broecker [mailto:bruce.broecker@toro.com] > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 9:18 AM > To: patrickm@citilink.com; tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] mail server > > > > >I know people are annoyed at the holy war over mail servers, but this > is > >useful to me, or would be if you would give some reasons why your > favorite > >is the best. I have been adding Linux machines to our small company > for a > >year or so now (file server, router, etc). It's approaching time to > tackle > >the Web and Mail servers, which are currently IIS and Exchange. I am > most > >intimidated by the mail server and would appreciate any suggestions > on > >reading material to get me started, and, yes, even suggestions on > which > >mail server to use. > > You've seen mention of the main MTAs. I've tried Postfix and Qmail. I > was forced into supporting Sendmail at work for a while. Now, I only > have to support my home mail server, so take this for what it's worth. > I'm currently using Courier MTA (www.courier-mta.org). My selection > criteria were: > > 1. Maildirs and not mbox > 2. IMAP support > 3. Web interface > > Courier IMAP is a very well regarded IMAP implementation for Maildir > formats. Following down that lead, I stumbled onto the full Courier > package, which did everything I wanted it to do in one fell > swoop. This > is not to say it's monolithic. Sam V. (the main developer)has done a > good job of modularizing the system so you only install what > you want. A > lot of people replace the webmail interface with Squirrel or > one of the > other, prettier web interfaces. > > The one down point is, the documentation is convoluted. You have to > read EVERYTHING and there are frequent RTFM references on the mailing > lists (Sam can be moody). > > Hope that helps, > Bruce > > Bruce Broecker > Network Comm Supervisor > The Toro Company > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Mon Jul 14 09:41:50 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Poll Administrator?? In-Reply-To: <200307132252.39765@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <200307111451.06654@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> <20030712173013.GA30004@skuld.wookimus.net> <200307132252.39765@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20030714144150.GA20340@skuld.wookimus.net> On Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 10:52:39PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Poll Administrator can you make a new poll for this? > > What should we do about Reply-To: on the mailing list: > > Remove completely > Change to the poster's email address > Leave it to the lists's email address > Switch to Outlook The only problem I see with this is that it's not an authenticated polling engine. You don't have to log in to vote, and you can vote multiple times in a row; just clean out your cookies. I'm going to look into stealing the "devotee" software from the Debian voting system. It uses a variant of the Condorcet voting system that prevents loops and other unpleasentness. The bonus is that it's email based and can optionally use OpenPG signatures. If you want to wait until I have the system packagable, let me know, otherwise we should probably dedicate a voting alias and send in our votes. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 240 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030714/7442b8b2/attachment.pgp From JAustad at temgweb.com Mon Jul 14 09:47:17 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail server Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE194@mail.temgweb.com> After reading through the thread and seeing everyone argue about qmail, I'll tell you what I think of it. About 3 years ago, I was tasked to build a large mail cluster to handle stock pricing alerts and opt-in stock newsletters for my employer. At the time, the only mailserver that could give me any sort of decent performance was qmail running under FreeBSD. Running it under linux presented problems because linux has a limit where a single process can only have 1024 file descriptors. Contrary to popular belief, this is *not* easily changable by echoing something into /proc or using ulimit. If you don't believe me, try it, it won't work. I later confirmed this with a kernel developer, and it's something that was supposedly going to change in the 2.5/2.6 kernel. Anyway, I had 5 machines running qmail. 4 acted as the slave servers and did the actual sending. Actual lists were handled by a fifth server which doled out the messages to the slaves. Administration was a nightmare. If I wanted to make a change, it likely involved finding one of the hundreds of patches listed on qmail.org. I wrote a simple load balancing algorithm for qmtp which is now up on qmail.org. However, much of functionality that I patched into qmail was available out of the box on other mailservers already. I needed qmail for the performance though. One nice thing about qmail was a patch which could put a person's email address in the body of the message, replacing a variable when the message was on it's way out to the remote mailserver. Say a news story went out... Instead of sending several thousand different messages, I could send one to the mailserver with thousands of recipients, and a varible in the body would be replaced with each person's email address. Very useful for an account modification message at the bottom "To modify your account settings, go to http://www.bigcorporation.com/stuff/account.asp?email=you@yourdomain.com" Anyway, I started to run out of capacity, and the administration of qmail was driving me nuts. So I started testing the newest versions of postfix. I was able to get a significant performance boost using postfix. The bonus was that settings could all be changed using the postconf command. Since changes could be made with a command rather than editing a file, I could use a script with ssh to execute a single command across the entire cluster. All of the functionality I needed, postfix had out of the box, except for the address replacement. 90% of everything was cut over to postfix, and a couple of lonely boxes remained to handle things that needed address replacement. Let that be another lesson to you all, if you have a feature in a piece of software that most other software does not have, do not tell people that might come to depend on it. :) Both Qmail and Postfix have been designed with security in mind, I don't necessarily think that one is more secure than the other. Postfix is faster than qmail now, and it's much nicer to administer. > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Lutgens [mailto:blutgens@us-admins.com] > Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 10:06 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] mail server > > > > On Sunday, Jul 13, 2003, at 19:38 US/Central, David Phillips wrote: > > The code for the core part of OpenSSL has almost twice as lines as > > qmail. > > It has also had several security holes. Do you really want > to stuff > > all of > > that into the SMTP server? > > Actually yes i would. Either way the code is open for peer review. > > > Due to qmail's modularity, you can add SMTP AUTH or TLS without > > modifying > > qmail-smtpd: > > Why when my choice of smtp does it all. And does it well. And does it > safely. And doesn't create additional administration overhead. > > > http://www.suspectclass.com/~sgifford/smtp_auth/ > > http://www.suspectclass.com/~sgifford/stunnel-tlsproxy/ > > > > Additional pieces means more to update, and more to > configure, and more > to maintain. No thanks. I update my smtp server in one fell swoop. > > I may yet evaluate postfix. We shall see. > > > You might also take an alternate approach: replace > qmail-smtpd with a > > different SMTP server: > > > > http://untroubled.org/mailfront/ > > > > -- > > David Phillips > > http://david.acz.org/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > -- > > Ben Lutgens > System Administrator, Server Wizard, Email Guru > US Admins, Inc > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Mon Jul 14 10:07:08 2003 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] environment with graphical desktop In-Reply-To: <200307132222.49371.jack@jacku.com> References: <16146.4786.460398.343977@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <200307132222.49371.jack@jacku.com> Message-ID: <16146.50972.361867.257831@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Jack Ungerleider writes: > On Sunday 13 July 2003 9:17 pm, rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > > I have been running Mandrake, and booting to run level 5. This gets > > me into KDE. I have a desktop icon that runs Xemacs. I've been > > disappointed to find that my ordinary shell environment (path, other > > environment variables, aliases), initiated by ~/.tcshrc, is not > > available to me when I start xemacs by clicking on this icon. I > > suspect this is the same no matter what program I run, if it's > > initiated graphically. What I was wondering is "how can I get my > > ordinary shell environment in place in the course of logging in > > through kdm (or other display manager)?" > > > > Thanks! > > R > > > > Note: I have not tried this so I don't now if it will do what you want. > > There is an option on KDE launchers to run the application in a terminal. As > long as KDE opens your default shell I to run the app it should load your > environment. The option is on the Execute tab of the icon properties. Thanks, Jack. But that's not /really/ what I want. I want /all/ the apps to get the right environment, rather than having to patch each individual launcher to get it. What I'd REALLY like is to force KDE to source ~/.tcshrc when it starts up. And I would have thought this is what most people would want (well, with some variation for /which/ .rc to run) --- how many people /don't/ want their paths consulted when dispatching to find binaries? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From eibner at mnmailhost.bridge.com Mon Jul 14 10:06:12 2003 From: eibner at mnmailhost.bridge.com (Thomas Eibner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030714150611.GF18282@mnsdev3> On Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 04:22:34PM -0500, Munir Nassar wrote: > On Sun, 13 Jul 2003, Ben Lutgens wrote: > > > Steve, avoid qmail like the plague. Its an incredibly vile piece of > > trash which should be stricken from the internet forever. > > > > People who advocate the use of qmail should all be beaten severely and > > survivors of said beatings should be shot many times with a very small > > caliber bullet. > > thats it? i think you are getting soft in your old age. > > my feeling towards qmail aside i think anybody who anybody who promote > product X more than 5 times a week should be considered a SPAMer and > kicked out. i am SICK and TIRED of hearing about qmail. I don't have a problem hearing constructive posts about qmail, but the one-mta-to-rule-them-all-is-qmail is very annoying. I guess I do know what you mean about promote though! :) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Mon Jul 14 11:54:52 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail server In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE193@mail.temgweb.com> References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE193@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <200307141154.52480@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> On Monday 14 July 2003 09:26 am, Austad, Jay wrote: > I use postfix. After extensive testing, I was able to get higher > performance out of than qmail (I used to run a big mail cluster for my old > employer). It's very simple to administer, you don't even have to edit > config files, just use the postconf command. Note that you'll still have > to install an IMAP or POP server with this, it's just the MTA (like > sendmail). > > > But, if you're trying to replace exchange, you might look at > http://www.opengroupware.org It's supposed to be an exchange replacement, > and apparently the outlook calendaring stuff works with it. I haven't > tried it, so I can't really give you any opinions on it. kroupware is in RC4, might want to look at that too. http://kroupware.kde.org/ -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Mon Jul 14 13:56:03 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] VGA -> DVI-HDTV? In-Reply-To: <1058037415.20780.304.camel@3po> References: <1058037415.20780.304.camel@3po> Message-ID: <20030714185603.GB6375@fandre.com> Googling turned up the following message board with some info on DVI-HDTV. http://pub1.ezboard.com/fdigitaltelevisionhdtvforumdigitaltelevisionhdtvtechnicalforum.showMessage?topicID=150.topic On Sat, 12 Jul 2003, Mike Hicks wrote: > I hope I'm not the only person who gets confused by the various flavors > of DVI input/output connections out there. I've come across a Sony TV > that has "DVI-HDTV" inputs, but I have no idea what that means, other > than you can presumably connect a Sony HDTV receiver into that port.. > > I would like to know if this port is just another marketing term for one > of the standard DVI interfaces, or if it's something different. Also, > does anyone know if it is possible to hook a VGA card to this interface > and get an image, or do you need a DVI card? Can you even hook a > standard DVI card to this input? > > My understanding of DVI so far is that DVI-I is a fairly universal > connection, allowing you to connect an analog VGA device to a DVI port > and have something display. DVI-D only allows a digital-digital > communication, as far as I am aware. > > There's also the dual-link DVI flavor, which allows twice as much > bandwidth to pass over the cable (it has more pins/wires to transmit the > data). This is for people who want non-interlaced video at resolutions > higher than 1280x1024. > > Anyway, I'd apprecate it if anyone could tell me where DVI-HDTV fits > into this picture, or if I'm totally wrong on the basic DVI definitions. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Mon Jul 14 17:03:00 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail server In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE193@mail.temgweb.com> References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE193@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <1058220179.26775.6.camel@node2.internal.teamfreeze.com> On Mon, 2003-07-14 at 09:26, Austad, Jay wrote: > I use postfix. After extensive testing, I was able to get higher > performance out of than qmail (I used to run a big mail cluster for my old > employer). It's very simple to administer, you don't even have to edit > config files, just use the postconf command. Note that you'll still have to > install an IMAP or POP server with this, it's just the MTA (like sendmail). Ditto here. If you have to deal with a group of servers, postfix is the way to go (dsh makes life easy). > But, if you're trying to replace exchange, you might look at > http://www.opengroupware.org It's supposed to be an exchange replacement, > and apparently the outlook calendaring stuff works with it. I haven't tried > it, so I can't really give you any opinions on it. I am attempting to install it. It seems like the product is fairly stable, but since it moved from commerial to opensource, they are having some issues with packaging and the like. The install is not as easy as it could be. Jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Mon Jul 14 17:06:43 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Fw: qmail smtp-auth bug allows open relay] Message-ID: For those of you running qmail, with smtp-auth/starttls configured - double-check your configuration. Please, no "this is why you should use X" flamewars. We've had enough already. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 10:34:00 -0600 From: John Brown To: "nanog@merit.edu" Subject: qmail smtp-auth bug allows open relay seems that there are installs of the smtp-auth patch to qmail that accept anything as a user name and password and thus allow you to connect. http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=qmail&m=105452174430616&w=2 is one URL that talks about this. There has been an increase is what appears to be qmail based open-relays over the last 5 days. Each of these servers pass the normal suite of open-relay tests. Spammers are scanning for SMTP-AUTH and STARTTLS based mail servers that may be misconfigured. Then using them to send out their trash. Some early docs on setting up qmail based smtp-auth systems had the config infor incorrect. This leads to /usr/bin/true being used as the password checker. :( From JAustad at temgweb.com Mon Jul 14 17:10:15 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] network portal Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE198@mail.temgweb.com> Just wondering if anyone knows of a decent PHP-ish product for constructing a portal for the department I work in. Something like document archival/searching, forum, whatever. I know I can grab something like geeklog or the dreaded swiss-cheese security PHP-nuke, but I'd rather find something that is designed specifically for a technical department to use. Some kind of project management interface would also be quite nice. Jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drake at lemongecko.org Mon Jul 14 20:38:29 2003 From: drake at lemongecko.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] MathML fonts and Mozilla Message-ID: <20030714203828.A26102@lemongecko.org> I'm trying to get Mozilla to render MathML documents correctly, and the problem right now is fonts. I have the needed fonts in a directory, they're in my X server's fontpath, I'm using Mozilla 1.4, and X 4.3 under Debian unstable. Mozilla will complain about the fonts being missing, but characters get rendered correctly...but they get rendered far too high above the line. Has anyone else figured out how to get these fonts working? It really seems like it should work; I've followed the directions that are reproduced in several places on the web. Any ideas? An example document: http://dandrake.org/x/algebra-1988-fall.xml What it looks like in my browser: http://dandrake.org/bad-mathml.png Thanks, Dan -- --- DA1A E0F0 7E07 27C3 7539 F2F4 5AF1 2C82 A17E D584 ----- Dan Drake ------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030714/749f1a89/attachment.pgp From kcbnac at myrealbox.com Mon Jul 14 22:09:27 2003 From: kcbnac at myrealbox.com (Keith) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Wireless PCMCIA NIC? Message-ID: <3F137067.8090903@myrealbox.com> I'm trying to decide between two wireless 802.11 a/b/g combo cards. Linux support is the deciding factor. Linksys WPC55AG D-Link DWL-AG650 Anybody had any luck or horrible times with either? Any sites with reviews under Linux? Any help is much appreciated. Deciding/purchasing within a week or so, any sites for deals as well. I know Best Buy doesn't carry any tri-mode PCMCIA cards, they have tri-mode access points, and I think PCI cards, but that's it. I know CompUSA carries them, and maybe OfficeMax/Depot, or a few others. Thanks! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Mon Jul 14 22:12:28 2003 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] network portal In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE198@mail.temgweb.com> References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE198@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <3F13711C.80304@visi.com> Austad, Jay wrote: > Just wondering if anyone knows of a decent PHP-ish product for constructing > a portal for the department I work in. Something like document > archival/searching, forum, whatever. I know I can grab something like > geeklog or the dreaded swiss-cheese security PHP-nuke, but I'd rather find > something that is designed specifically for a technical department to use. > Some kind of project management interface would also be quite nice. Check out Plone (http://plone.org/), an implementation of a CMS on top of Zope's Content Management Framework. Should work quite well out of the box and is thoroughly customizable. -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Science teacher, Linux fan, Zope developer, Grad. student, Daddy mailto:wilson@visi.com | http://qwerk.org/ | public key: 0x8C0F8813 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Mon Jul 14 23:41:38 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Wireless PCMCIA NIC? In-Reply-To: <3F137067.8090903@myrealbox.com>; from kcbnac@myrealbox.com on Mon, Jul 14, 2003 at 10:09:27PM -0500 References: <3F137067.8090903@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <20030714234138.A2575@thinkunix.net> Keith wrote: > I'm trying to decide between two wireless 802.11 a/b/g combo cards. > Linux support is the deciding factor. > > Linksys WPC55AG > D-Link DWL-AG650 > > Anybody had any luck or horrible times with either? Any sites with > reviews under Linux? Any help is much appreciated. Deciding/purchasing > within a week or so, any sites for deals as well. I know Best Buy > doesn't carry any tri-mode PCMCIA cards, they have tri-mode access > points, and I think PCI cards, but that's it. I know CompUSA carries > them, and maybe OfficeMax/Depot, or a few others. I can't speak to the cards, but you might try the Linux Wireless Howto: http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/ As far as pricing I use http://www.pricewatch.com/ As far as reviews, I usually look up the product on amazon.com and see what others had to say about it. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Jul 14 23:03:57 2003 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Wireless PCMCIA NIC? In-Reply-To: <3F137067.8090903@myrealbox.com> References: <3F137067.8090903@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <1058241837.19900.1108.camel@3po> On Mon, 2003-07-14 at 22:09, Keith wrote: > I'm trying to decide between two wireless 802.11 a/b/g combo cards. > Linux support is the deciding factor. Unfortunately, 802.11g is pretty much unsupported on Linux. My understanding is that the lack of support comes from the fact that hardware vendors have started using some (at least partially) software-defined radios so that they can adapt easily to any changes that were made in the 802.11g specification before it was finalized. A side-effect is that they can theoretically access large portions of the RF spectrum. The vendors don't want to expose any of their patents or trade secrets by defining the (quite low-level) interface to these cards, and they also might draw the ire of organizations such as the FCC as well as various armed forces around the world that use certain frequencies for communication that could be interfered with by these adapters. However, the 802.11g committee has finalized the standard now, so hopefully we'll see some full-hardware options soon. On the other hand, we might unfortunately see this become another area where Linux support stays relatively poor, just like with Winmodems and Winprinters.. I'm sure some people will be doing their best to reverse-engineer the cards, but getting things working reliably through that route is generally very slow going.. For now, your best bet is just to stay with vanilla 802.11a/b. Also note that the 22Mbps .11b cards that are floating around are not likely to work with Linux either (for pretty similar reasons, as I understand it). -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ If it's tourist season, why / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ can't we shoot them? \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Something like document > > archival/searching, forum, whatever. I know I can grab > something like > > geeklog or the dreaded swiss-cheese security PHP-nuke, but > I'd rather find > > something that is designed specifically for a technical > department to use. > > Some kind of project management interface would also be quite nice. > > Check out Plone (http://plone.org/), an implementation of a > CMS on top > of Zope's Content Management Framework. Should work quite well out of > the box and is thoroughly customizable. > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson > Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA > Science teacher, Linux fan, Zope developer, Grad. student, Daddy > mailto:wilson@visi.com | http://qwerk.org/ | public key: 0x8C0F8813 > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Jul 15 11:21:11 2003 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Wireless PCMCIA NIC? In-Reply-To: <3F137067.8090903@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: I'm in a similar boat. Last week I picked up a NetGear WGR614 (http://www.netgear.com/products/prod_details.asp?prodID=174) Access Point for about $54 after mail in rebate and $25 gift card left over from Christmas. A good deal as I needed some sort of router/firewall. Wireless is a bonus. (For any of you Apple folks, Kremer's Powerbook with an AirPort Extreme connects to the AP with 128 bit WEP at 802.11g speeds, even though the card and the AP don't have the IEEE 802.11g firmware installed. NetGear has released beta firmware that complies with the IEEE standard, but I haven't had a reason to try it since said Powerbook is the only wireless device in our apartment, and it worked just fine as is.) I looked at the cards you can find at Best Buy. Every model number I jotted down is unsupported, mainly for the reasons Mike Hicks stated. The wireless access HOWTO Scot pointed out has a good run down of Wireless cards under Linux. From memory, orinoco, wavelan2, airport, airo, and prism2 cards are the more popular picks for Linux. The standout being prism2 cards as they can be made to function as an Access Point. For security people, Airo, Prism2, and Orinoco are perfered as they are supported by tools like AirSnort. Locally, my guess is your best bet for finding the cards is at MicroCenter, as they tend to stock network gear from folks other than Netgear, D-Link, and Linksys (as well as a wider selection of gear from said companies, like their network print servers) Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org Linux is not an Operating System. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Tue Jul 15 11:41:50 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] network portal In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE19E@mail.temgweb.com> References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE19E@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <20030715164150.GC12439@autonomous.tv> On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 09:49:14AM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: >I found some other interesting ones: > > >http://www.metadot.com/metadot/index.pl >http://www.plainblack.com/webgui >http://www.xoops.org/modules/news/ >http://www.ampoliros.com/en/ > >Anyone have any experience with any of these? I don't have an experience with these, but I do see xoops come across the bugtraq list quite alot. I would recommed to anyone using a php based application to check around for all the holes that come with alot of these applications. -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Any ideas how I can get past this? -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cgahlon at citilink.com Tue Jul 15 12:41:50 2003 From: cgahlon at citilink.com (Christopher A. Gahlon) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] network portal In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE19E@mail.temgweb.com> References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE19E@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <200307151241.50796.cgahlon@citilink.com> On Tue July 15 2003 09:49 am, Austad, Jay wrote: > I found some other interesting ones: > > > http://www.metadot.com/metadot/index.pl > http://www.plainblack.com/webgui > http://www.xoops.org/modules/news/ > http://www.ampoliros.com/en/ > > Anyone have any experience with any of these? I've got an instance of metadot running at work. My only complaint is that it doesn't clean up after itself. If you upload files linked to a posting you have to manually delete them when you remove the article. Very very annoying! Especially when you have clueless types using the portal. If I ever get a spare minute I'll be writing on a perl script to query the db and compare to the files stored and delete the unused one. -- Christopher Gahlon $>man woman Segmentation fault (core dumped) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Tue Jul 15 12:48:09 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cubicle art Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE1A2@mail.temgweb.com> Anyone know where I can get a big mural type thing to cover up the ugly-ass 1970's brown walls in my cubicle? If I were by a window, I'd break out the drill and go all Office Space on it, but I'm not. Jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drue at therub.org Tue Jul 15 13:05:28 2003 From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cubicle art In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE1A2@mail.temgweb.com> References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE1A2@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <3F144268.2020500@therub.org> I've always wanted one of these babies: http://shop.nationalgeographic.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=347&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=173&iSubCat=303&iProductID=347 Or, you can always go crazy with these: http://www.despair.com/ But I think that big mural wall map from national geographic would be too sweet :) dan Austad, Jay wrote: >Anyone know where I can get a big mural type thing to cover up the ugly-ass >1970's brown walls in my cubicle? > >If I were by a window, I'd break out the drill and go all Office Space on >it, but I'm not. > >Jay > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben.neigebauer at compellent.com Tue Jul 15 13:22:58 2003 From: ben.neigebauer at compellent.com (Neigebauer, Ben) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cubicle art Message-ID: <3DE074F8A2577948899DD010B9FFD6FF90A3C5@C1MAIL1.agiliti.net> Do you work at Unisys? They have some lovely Orange, Brown, Bright Blue combination cubes over there. At least they did when I worked there in 99 Benjamin E. Neigebauer Software Engineer Compellent Technologies Eden Prairie, MN 55344 -----Original Message----- From: Austad, Jay [mailto:JAustad@temgweb.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 12:48 PM To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' Subject: [TCLUG] cubicle art Anyone know where I can get a big mural type thing to cover up the ugly-ass 1970's brown walls in my cubicle? If I were by a window, I'd break out the drill and go all Office Space on it, but I'm not. Jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.com Tue Jul 15 13:45:10 2003 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cubicle art In-Reply-To: <3F144268.2020500@therub.org> References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE1A2@mail.temgweb.com> <3F144268.2020500@therub.org> Message-ID: <3F144BB6.9030601@cdf123.com> You could always go the ultra cheap route. GIMP yourself a backround or pattern and use fortune to make your own wallpaper. You'll get a nice pleasing backround, cool quotes and sayings, can be as fancy or plain as you want, and it even comes with the satisfaction of using office supplies to do it. Chris Frederick (BOFH in Training) Dan Rue wrote: > I've always wanted one of these babies: > http://shop.nationalgeographic.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=347&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=173&iSubCat=303&iProductID=347 > > > Or, you can always go crazy with these: http://www.despair.com/ > > But I think that big mural wall map from national geographic would be > too sweet :) > > dan > > Austad, Jay wrote: > >> Anyone know where I can get a big mural type thing to cover up the >> ugly-ass >> 1970's brown walls in my cubicle? >> >> If I were by a window, I'd break out the drill and go all Office >> Space on >> it, but I'm not. >> Jay >> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Tue Jul 15 13:58:01 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cubicle art In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE1A2@mail.temgweb.com> References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE1A2@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <20030715135801.01dcd4b3.sfertch@real-time.com> On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:48:09 -0500 "Austad, Jay" wrote: > Anyone know where I can get a big mural type thing to cover up the > ugly-ass 1970's brown walls in my cubicle? > > If I were by a window, I'd break out the drill and go all Office Space > on it, but I'm not. > You could always do what I do and put up all kinds of papers covering the most commonly used things: Extensions of coworkers, couple of calendars, Trouble shooting info, hardware info, Decimal to Hexidecimal chart, etc... boring, but it works and pleases the bosses that I have relevant info hung up... Boring, but it works. If I brought in the stuff I wanted to, I'd be fired on the spot. Or at least readily given a heap full of crap! -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Tue Jul 15 14:50:56 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help Building Kernel Module In-Reply-To: <20030712150412.GA1564@duron> References: <1057695669.1419.38.camel@lotsa> <20030711080410.A3552@karlme.iexposure.net> <3F0EBA9D.7080700@loneoakmn.com> <20030711093929.A3245@karlme.iexposure.net> <1057937975.6005.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030711132939.A8482@karlme.iexposure.net> <1057958113.1439.22.camel@lotsa> <20030712150412.GA1564@duron> Message-ID: <1058298656.1439.108.camel@lotsa> Thanks once again for your help Karl! I did what you suggested - make mrproper, make oldconfig, make dep - now I can build and install streams without error. I still have problems starting it however. This is funny... # insmod streams Using /lib/modules/2.4.20-18.7/misc/streams.o /lib/modules/2.4.20-18.7/misc/streams.o: kernel-module version mismatch /lib/modules/2.4.20-18.7/misc/streams.o was compiled for kernel version 2.4.20-18.7custom while this kernel is version 2.4.20-18.7. I don't totally understand this because we did not rebuild the actual kernel did we? Only the dependencies right? So did make assume we were going to also be building and running a custom kernel? I should probably remove and reinstall the kernel source rpm and start over to compile streams for the "non-custom" kernel. Does this sound like a reasonable plan? - Tom -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Tue Jul 15 15:04:09 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cubicle art Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE1A6@mail.temgweb.com> Well, I do have a color plotter here. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Frederick [mailto:cdf123@cdf123.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 1:45 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] cubicle art > > > You could always go the ultra cheap route. GIMP yourself a > backround or > pattern and use fortune to make your own wallpaper. You'll > get a nice > pleasing backround, cool quotes and sayings, can be as fancy > or plain as > you want, and it even comes with the satisfaction of using office > supplies to do it. > > Chris Frederick (BOFH in Training) > > Dan Rue wrote: > > > I've always wanted one of these babies: > > http://shop.nationalgeographic.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=34 7&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=173&iSubCat=303&iProductID=347 > > > Or, you can always go crazy with these: http://www.despair.com/ > > But I think that big mural wall map from national geographic would be > too sweet :) > > dan > > Austad, Jay wrote: > >> Anyone know where I can get a big mural type thing to cover up the >> ugly-ass >> 1970's brown walls in my cubicle? >> >> If I were by a window, I'd break out the drill and go all Office >> Space on >> it, but I'm not. >> Jay >> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Tue Jul 15 15:06:27 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cubicle art Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE1A7@mail.temgweb.com> > Do you work at Unisys? Nope, Travelers Express/Moneygram. I guess brown cubes and horribly ugly carpet are a fact of life at a company that's like 50 years old. It's something you don't really think about until you are forced to live with it for 8 hours a day. I'd rather sit in the loading dock. > > They have some lovely Orange, Brown, Bright Blue combination > cubes over > there. At least they did when I worked there in 99 > > > Benjamin E. Neigebauer > Software Engineer > Compellent Technologies > Eden Prairie, MN 55344 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Austad, Jay [mailto:JAustad@temgweb.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 12:48 PM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: [TCLUG] cubicle art > > Anyone know where I can get a big mural type thing to cover up the > ugly-ass > 1970's brown walls in my cubicle? > > If I were by a window, I'd break out the drill and go all Office Space > on > it, but I'm not. > > Jay > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Jul 15 15:28:00 2003 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] cubicle art In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE1A7@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: When I moved into my cube, I found a rolled up floor plan of our building. I got some map pins and a bunch of small paper tags and marked computers, printers, switches, etc. Coworkers (even non IT coworkers) think it's nifty. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org Linux is not an Operating System. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Tue Jul 15 15:33:20 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help Building Kernel Module In-Reply-To: <1058298656.1439.108.camel@lotsa> References: <1057695669.1419.38.camel@lotsa> <20030711080410.A3552@karlme.iexposure.net> <3F0EBA9D.7080700@loneoakmn.com> <20030711093929.A3245@karlme.iexposure.net> <1057937975.6005.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030711132939.A8482@karlme.iexposure.net> <1057958113.1439.22.camel@lotsa> <20030712150412.GA1564@duron> <1058298656.1439.108.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <1058301199.30044.15.camel@node2.internal.teamfreeze.com> On Tue, 2003-07-15 at 14:50, Tom Penney wrote: > # insmod streams > Using /lib/modules/2.4.20-18.7/misc/streams.o > /lib/modules/2.4.20-18.7/misc/streams.o: kernel-module version mismatch > /lib/modules/2.4.20-18.7/misc/streams.o was compiled for kernel > version 2.4.20-18.7custom > while this kernel is version 2.4.20-18.7. Take a look at the Makefile and pull the custom part. I think debian and others add that when you grabe the kernel-source packages. > I don't totally understand this because we did not rebuild the actual > kernel did we? Only the dependencies right? So did make assume we were > going to also be building and running a custom kernel? Yes, but when you built streams, it looked at the depends you just made, which were for a "different" version. > I should probably remove and reinstall the kernel source rpm and start > over to compile streams for the "non-custom" kernel. Does this sound > like a reasonable plan? I would first try to modify the makefile to match versions, and follow the procedure again. If you still run into issues, you may have better luck with a custom kernel the whole way through. (compile a kernel, use that source to build streams) Jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kbongers at infinetivity.com Tue Jul 15 16:55:59 2003 From: kbongers at infinetivity.com (Karl Bongers) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Help Building Kernel Module In-Reply-To: <1058298656.1439.108.camel@lotsa>; from blots@visi.com on Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 02:50:56PM -0500 References: <1057695669.1419.38.camel@lotsa> <20030711080410.A3552@karlme.iexposure.net> <3F0EBA9D.7080700@loneoakmn.com> <20030711093929.A3245@karlme.iexposure.net> <1057937975.6005.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030711132939.A8482@karlme.iexposure.net> <1057958113.1439.22.camel@lotsa> <20030712150412.GA1564@duron> <1058298656.1439.108.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <20030715165559.A1048@karlme.iexposure.net> Hi Tom, I think if you re-install the kernel source rpm you will be fine. After you un-install it, remove any residual that might remain in /usr/src/linux-2.4.20-18.7. And then after install, don't touch it(no make mrproper,..). All of those steps are for if you want to build a new kernel(And it doesn't look like you need to do that.) And then RedHat is trying to help by appending -custom to the kernel label to differentiate it. Sorry about the confusion. You can change the -custom in the Makefile. You may also be able to use the force option to tell modprobe to use that module you compiled anyway. If you would have continued on to make bzImage, that would compile you a kernel. The "make oldconfig" step is this strange beast that I am starting to understand better. You can spend a lot of time adjusting kernel build options(.config file). When you get a newer set of kernel source, the older .config is not valid anymore, but it can be upgraded by this make oldconfig. And if finds no .config file, it optionally trys to pull in the matching one from the defaults in configs/ dir(that presumably match what you are running.) If you want to learn more you can search on the redhat site, as they really do have some excellent doc(that I should make a point to read sometime :) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jonathon at quotidian.org Tue Jul 15 20:34:49 2003 From: jonathon at quotidian.org (Jonathon Jongsma) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] network portal Message-ID: <3F14ABB9.7040103@quotidian.org> try looking around at http://opensourcecms.com/ if you haven't yet. They're all php/mySQL based programs, and they even have installed versions that you can play around with. Jonathon _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Tue Jul 15 21:07:22 2003 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Wireless PCMCIA NIC? In-Reply-To: References: <3F137067.8090903@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <16148.45914.808395.225947@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "Andy" == Andy Zbikowski <(Zibby)" > writes: Andy> The wireless access HOWTO Scot pointed out has a good run Andy> down of Wireless cards under Linux. From memory, orinoco, Andy> wavelan2, airport, airo, and prism2 cards are the more Andy> popular picks for Linux. The standout being prism2 cards as Andy> they can be made to function as an Access Point. For Andy> security people, Airo, Prism2, and Orinoco are perfered as Andy> they are supported by tools like AirSnort. Andy> Locally, my guess is your best bet for finding the cards is Andy> at MicroCenter, as they tend to stock network gear from Andy> folks other than Netgear, D-Link, and Linksys (as well as a Andy> wider selection of gear from said companies, like their Andy> network print servers) IIRC, one needs to be careful with the Linksys cards, because you don't know what chipset you're buying. At least with the PCI cards, they swapped from the nicely-supported prism2 chipset to something completely unsupported, without being nice enough to change the model number! R _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kcbnac at myrealbox.com Wed Jul 16 00:34:49 2003 From: kcbnac at myrealbox.com (K B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Prep for installfest... Message-ID: <1058333689.a1c83380kcbnac@myrealbox.com> Okay everybody..if anybody needs anything, holler now, so somebody can vouch for bringing whatever's needed. I for one will be bringing: (I have more stuff if needed, depending on what's needed) My computer (Dual LAN, works under Windows 98SE/XP Pro, single under Linux) Lotsa HD Space (440GB total) CD-Burner (3-5 minutes per CD) RH 9.0 & Mandrake 9.1 ISOs 1 5-port 10/100 switch (can bring 2 more if needed, but need to know) CAT5 cable (like 3, 5-10 ft) CAT5 cable (spool) something like 300+ feet left, no ends, no crimpers. (Will buy/swap ends for cable, if needed) Blank 40x CD-Rs (700MB) 1 spindle (75 CDs) if we need more, holler. (Got 'em free) couple of power strips (may/may not have surge protection built in) 1 75' contractor's extension cord (do we need more?) I also have a CalComp600 Printer, I can bring with (basically an HP 4) Lots of ink, do we need to do any massive printing? Or should I leave the beast home? I'll leave it home unless someone needs it. Just needs some paper. I can get 4k-5k pages, I won't ever use it up, likely, anyway. Items for sale: (If you want, or might want, say so, I'll bring it with) I have (4) 256MB DDR 2100 184-pin DIMMS for sale, $40/each. I also have 1 stick of 256MB DDR2700, also 184-pin DIMM. $50. If you want one, lay claim to it now. (2) Western Digital 120GB 7200RPM 2MB Cache HDs. $110/ea, $100/ea for pair. software, keyboards, mice, 10/100 NICs (Dlinks, DFE 530TX+, $10, work under Linux) $15 for various v.92 winmodems (no clue on Linux compatibility, picked up from OfficeMax/Depot on sale) $20 (5+) 5" Portable B & W TV's with AM/FM radio. wall and car power adapters. batteries allowed, telescopic antennae, can add headphones. I think that's it...if you need anything else, holler, I may/may not have it, someone else might. This is not about Napster or DVDs. It's about your Freedom. http://www.anti-dmca.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amoore at loneoakmn.com Wed Jul 16 08:04:15 2003 From: amoore at loneoakmn.com (Andy Moore) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Prep for installfest... In-Reply-To: <1058333689.a1c83380kcbnac@myrealbox.com> References: <1058333689.a1c83380kcbnac@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <3F154D4F.4060404@loneoakmn.com> K B wrote: >My computer >(Dual LAN, works under Windows 98SE/XP Pro, single under Linux) > Got one of those windows-drivers-only built-ins huh? >1 5-port 10/100 switch (can bring 2 more if needed, but need to know) > > We can never have too many of these so I would suggest bringiing all you have. >CAT5 cable (like 3, 5-10 ft) > >CAT5 cable (spool) something like 300+ feet left, no ends, no crimpers. (Will buy/swap ends for cable, if needed) > I have a spool of cat5, tools and a few RJ45s at home as well if we need to make some cables. >couple of power strips (may/may not have surge protection built in) > >1 75' contractor's extension cord (do we need more?) > > Power distribution will hopefully not be an issue if we have enough extension cords. We have plenty of power, it's just spread throughout the building. I'll be bringing a couple as well. >I also have a CalComp600 Printer, I can bring with (basically an HP 4) Lots of ink, do we need to do any massive printing? Or should I leave the beast home? I'll leave it home unless someone needs it. Just needs some paper. I can get 4k-5k pages, I won't ever use it up, likely, anyway. > > I've got some printers available if we need to print some stuff. I will probably ask for donations to cover paper/toner/etc. as they belong to the company. --The Wandering Dru aka Andy Moore _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Wed Jul 16 08:36:48 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] /mnt/cdrom Message-ID: <1567.66.103.174.82.1058362608.squirrel@lctn.org> Yesterday my system crashed, so I did a new install using a 3ware card which mirrors two drives. Today I added an ide drive to hdc. In doing this I had to move the cdrom to the hda controller. Now fstab says it cannot mount /dev/cdrom. What do I need to change for this to work? -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amoore at loneoakmn.com Wed Jul 16 08:41:26 2003 From: amoore at loneoakmn.com (Andy Moore) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] /mnt/cdrom In-Reply-To: <1567.66.103.174.82.1058362608.squirrel@lctn.org> References: <1567.66.103.174.82.1058362608.squirrel@lctn.org> Message-ID: <3F155606.7090402@loneoakmn.com> Raymond Norton wrote: >Yesterday my system crashed, so I did a new install using a 3ware card >which mirrors two drives. Today I added an ide drive to hdc. In doing this >I had to move the cdrom to the hda controller. Now fstab says it cannot >mount /dev/cdrom. What do I need to change for this to work? > > > > /dev/cdrom is usually just a symlink to the actual device the cdrom is on. Just make sure /dev/cdrom now points to /dev/hda. The other option is to change fstab to use /dev/hda instead of /dev/cdrom but depending on your system, that may mess up other software that expects to find it at /dev/cdrom. --The Wandering Dru _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From STEVEWABC at netscape.net Wed Jul 16 09:00:41 2003 From: STEVEWABC at netscape.net (STEVEWABC@netscape.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Libranet2.8? Message-ID: <3DBB0298.5E5287D9.026842C8@netscape.net> Just for you Debian lovers Libranet2.8 free down loads for 72 hrs then its back off.. 1 time only !!!! go to mnservicemasters.com and click on the under construction sign Thanks for everyone past help :) __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From devel_support at crlc.net Wed Jul 16 09:22:58 2003 From: devel_support at crlc.net (Carl Lindgren) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] environment with graphical desktop References: <16146.4786.460398.343977@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <005301c34ba5$c1b70530$0325a8c0@crlc.net> You can do it one of two ways... 1) When you logon to KDE In the the .kde directory there is a "Autostart" directory which you can place a shell script to set any environment settings you need or to start programs. 2) When you logon to a shell (If you logon to a shell before you start X) This can be done with a shell script called from the .[shell]_profile file in your $HOME directory. Hope this helps Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "tclug-list" Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 9:17 PM Subject: [TCLUG] environment with graphical desktop > > I have been running Mandrake, and booting to run level 5. This gets > me into KDE. I have a desktop icon that runs Xemacs. I've been > disappointed to find that my ordinary shell environment (path, other > environment variables, aliases), initiated by ~/.tcshrc, is not > available to me when I start xemacs by clicking on this icon. I > suspect this is the same no matter what program I run, if it's > initiated graphically. What I was wondering is "how can I get my > ordinary shell environment in place in the course of logging in > through kdm (or other display manager)?" > > Thanks! > R > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mjn at umn.edu Wed Jul 16 09:30:07 2003 From: mjn at umn.edu (mjn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SNMP monitors... Message-ID: I've been asked to find some software for SNMP monitoring here at work. I know very little about the protocol (I know what MIBs are and that querying them will get you information about the machine in questions, provided you know what to ask for) and do not have much experience with software for monitoring it. Ideally, we're looking for something free -or very close to it- with a web interface and the capability to send problem notifications. Our shop consists of Novell, Windows, and Linux servers and would probably like to have this running on our linux box. I've taken a look at both Big Sister and Zabbix briefly but I was wondering if anyone out there had anything dear to their heart that they'd recommend. Thanks for hte input. -- _______________________________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs =============================================== E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com _______________________________________________ "What is important, it seems to me, is not so much to defend a culture whose existence has never kept a man from going hungry, as to extract, from what is called culture, ideas whose compelling force is identical with that of hunger." -Antonin Artaud _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Wed Jul 16 09:48:54 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SNMP monitors... Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE1B0@mail.temgweb.com> Cacti (http://www.raxnet.net) is good for bandwidth monitoring, but doesn't send alerts. Nagios works well for alerts, but it's kind of a pain to set up. There's a script that comes with nagios-plugins that will check for down interfaces and this works quite well, I'm using it now. If you want to spend a little money, you could always buy Intermapper from www.dartware.com > -----Original Message----- > From: mjn [mailto:mjn@umn.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 9:30 AM > To: Twirling Pickles of Death > Subject: [TCLUG] SNMP monitors... > > > I've been asked to find some software for SNMP monitoring > here at work. > > I know very little about the protocol (I know what MIBs are and that > querying them will get you information about the machine in questions, > provided you know what to ask for) and do not have much > experience with > software for monitoring it. > > Ideally, we're looking for something free -or very close to > it- with a web > interface and the capability to send problem notifications. Our shop > consists of Novell, Windows, and Linux servers and would > probably like to > have this running on our linux box. > > I've taken a look at both Big Sister and Zabbix briefly but I was > wondering if anyone out there had anything dear to their > heart that they'd > recommend. > > Thanks for hte input. > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Mike Neuharth > ADCS Technology Specialist > http://www.umn.edu/adcs > =============================================== > E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu > Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com > _______________________________________________ > "What is important, it seems to me, is not so much to defend a culture > whose existence has never kept a man from going hungry, as > to extract, > from what is called culture, ideas whose compelling force is > identical > with that of hunger." -Antonin Artaud > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Wed Jul 16 09:48:54 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SNMP monitors... Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE1B0@mail.temgweb.com> Cacti (http://www.raxnet.net) is good for bandwidth monitoring, but doesn't send alerts. Nagios works well for alerts, but it's kind of a pain to set up. There's a script that comes with nagios-plugins that will check for down interfaces and this works quite well, I'm using it now. If you want to spend a little money, you could always buy Intermapper from www.dartware.com > -----Original Message----- > From: mjn [mailto:mjn@umn.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 9:30 AM > To: Twirling Pickles of Death > Subject: [TCLUG] SNMP monitors... > > > I've been asked to find some software for SNMP monitoring > here at work. > > I know very little about the protocol (I know what MIBs are and that > querying them will get you information about the machine in questions, > provided you know what to ask for) and do not have much > experience with > software for monitoring it. > > Ideally, we're looking for something free -or very close to > it- with a web > interface and the capability to send problem notifications. Our shop > consists of Novell, Windows, and Linux servers and would > probably like to > have this running on our linux box. > > I've taken a look at both Big Sister and Zabbix briefly but I was > wondering if anyone out there had anything dear to their > heart that they'd > recommend. > > Thanks for hte input. > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Mike Neuharth > ADCS Technology Specialist > http://www.umn.edu/adcs > =============================================== > E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu > Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com > _______________________________________________ > "What is important, it seems to me, is not so much to defend a culture > whose existence has never kept a man from going hungry, as > to extract, > from what is called culture, ideas whose compelling force is > identical > with that of hunger." -Antonin Artaud > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amoore at loneoakmn.com Wed Jul 16 09:50:08 2003 From: amoore at loneoakmn.com (Andy Moore) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SNMP monitors... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F156620.5060104@loneoakmn.com> mjn wrote: >I've been asked to find some software for SNMP monitoring here at work. > > > A quick search for SMTP Monitor on Freshmeat returned 38 projects. Looks like there are a few you might be interested in looking at. Here's the address. http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=SNMP+monitor§ion=projects&x=0&y=0 --The Wandering Dru _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From LCLEMENS at mn.rr.com Wed Jul 16 09:59:56 2003 From: LCLEMENS at mn.rr.com (Lawrence Clemens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Libranet2.8? References: <3DBB0298.5E5287D9.026842C8@netscape.net> Message-ID: <001701c34baa$eeac5220$71fea8c0@computer> Thanks for the lead on Libranet - but I'm seeing a downlad rate of 64-96 hrs for the first disk! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 9:00 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Libranet2.8? > Just for you Debian lovers Libranet2.8 free down loads for 72 hrs then its back off.. 1 time only !!!! > > go to mnservicemasters.com and click on the under construction sign > > Thanks for everyone past help :) > > __________________________________________________________________ > McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. > Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! > http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 > > Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! > http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Wed Jul 16 10:13:11 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest questions Message-ID: <20030716101311.24cea6bb.sfertch@real-time.com> Okay, I'm registered for the installfest. I plan on bringing two computers with me, one is my desktop. Having problems getting Slack installed on it. I have the 4 disk distro set, which I will be bringing with me. The second on is what I use for my internal server (dns, samba, etc). Which I'd like to load Debian on. I'm thinking of either stable, or the one getting ready to become stable. Can never remember the names on them... This system also has a burner, and i plan on it becoming a server for thin clients to boot from. Is the pipe going to be big enough to handle the Debian install source pull, or is that mirrored off a system? I'll download the LTSP stuff from home before I arrive. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Jul 16 10:29:35 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest questions In-Reply-To: <20030716101311.24cea6bb.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Shawn wrote: > Is the pipe going to be big enough to handle the Debian install source > pull, or is that mirrored off a system? If you try downloading Debian from the 'net, you'll likely feel the wrath of the network administrators. I wouldn't recommend it. Hopefully we'll be able to get a local Debian mirror. We're working on that, quietly, behind the scenes... Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Jul 16 10:32:21 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Prep for installfest... In-Reply-To: <1058333689.a1c83380kcbnac@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, K B wrote: > I for one will be bringing: > Lotsa HD Space (440GB total) What all is going to be on this hard drive space? It'd sure suck if people rendered other peoples' work redundant. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amoore at loneoakmn.com Wed Jul 16 10:32:15 2003 From: amoore at loneoakmn.com (Andy Moore) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest questions In-Reply-To: <20030716101311.24cea6bb.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20030716101311.24cea6bb.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3F156FFF.6060602@loneoakmn.com> Shawn wrote: >Okay, I'm registered for the installfest. I plan on bringing two computers with me, one is my desktop. Having problems getting Slack installed on it. I have the 4 disk distro set, which I will be bringing with me. > >The second on is what I use for my internal server (dns, samba, etc). Which I'd like to load Debian on. I'm thinking of either stable, or the one getting ready to become stable. Can never remember the names on them... This system also has a burner, and i plan on it becoming a server for thin clients to boot from. > >Is the pipe going to be big enough to handle the Debian install source pull, or is that mirrored off a system? I'll download the LTSP stuff from home before I arrive. > > > The pipe is there but it's not fat(512k) so hopefully, we'll have a debian mirror there. I've had a couple people say they can bring mirrored stuff and Gladiator may be available but no confirmation on that yet. I use Debian Stable(Woody) for all my production servers and back-end boxen with a couple of select packages from Testing(Sarge). I've not played with LTSP yet tho. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Jul 16 10:39:50 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest questions In-Reply-To: <3F156FFF.6060602@loneoakmn.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Andy Moore wrote: > I've had a couple people say they can bring mirrored stuff and Gladiator > may be available but no confirmation on that yet. Yes on *some* mirrored stuff, no on Gladiator. (It's now too large, unwieldy, and breakable.) Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amy at real-time.com Wed Jul 16 08:24:34 2003 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FAI questions Message-ID: <20030716132433.GF17431@real-time.com> FAI experts: can FAI be configured to use http (like kickstart) rather than nfs? -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben.neigebauer at compellent.com Wed Jul 16 09:34:36 2003 From: ben.neigebauer at compellent.com (Neigebauer, Ben) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SNMP monitors... Message-ID: <3DE074F8A2577948899DD010B9FFD6FF90A3C9@C1MAIL1.agiliti.net> Mrtg Benjamin E. Neigebauer Software Engineer Compellent Technologies Eden Prairie, MN 55344 -----Original Message----- From: mjn [mailto:mjn@umn.edu] Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 9:30 AM To: Twirling Pickles of Death Subject: [TCLUG] SNMP monitors... I've been asked to find some software for SNMP monitoring here at work. I know very little about the protocol (I know what MIBs are and that querying them will get you information about the machine in questions, provided you know what to ask for) and do not have much experience with software for monitoring it. Ideally, we're looking for something free -or very close to it- with a web interface and the capability to send problem notifications. Our shop consists of Novell, Windows, and Linux servers and would probably like to have this running on our linux box. I've taken a look at both Big Sister and Zabbix briefly but I was wondering if anyone out there had anything dear to their heart that they'd recommend. Thanks for hte input. -- _______________________________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs =============================================== E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com _______________________________________________ "What is important, it seems to me, is not so much to defend a culture whose existence has never kept a man from going hungry, as to extract, from what is called culture, ideas whose compelling force is identical with that of hunger." -Antonin Artaud _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Wed Jul 16 10:52:27 2003 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] environment with graphical desktop In-Reply-To: <005301c34ba5$c1b70530$0325a8c0@crlc.net> References: <16146.4786.460398.343977@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <005301c34ba5$c1b70530$0325a8c0@crlc.net> Message-ID: <16149.29883.30165.428441@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Thanks, Carl! I'll have a whack at your method #1 and see what happens. Might have a follow-up, since I'm still not entirely sure how the environment variable bindings will propagate correctly, if I set them in a shell script.... Method #2 won't work because I'm logging into to an xdm, so X runs before my shell.... I suppose I could give this up, but booting to rl 3 and starting x by hand is a bit of a PITB.... Cheers, R _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Wed Jul 16 10:54:04 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless at installfest? Message-ID: <20030716155404.GA14691@mail.el-swifto.com> Any plans to have an AP at the installfest? -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Wed Jul 16 11:02:08 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SNMP monitors... Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE1B3@mail.temgweb.com> MRTG does not send alerts. RRDTool is way better too, you can use either Cacti or Cricket as a frontend for it which makes it very easy to use. Cacti is a nice little piece of software. > -----Original Message----- > From: Neigebauer, Ben [mailto:ben.neigebauer@compellent.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 9:35 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] SNMP monitors... > > > Mrtg > > > Benjamin E. Neigebauer > Software Engineer > Compellent Technologies > Eden Prairie, MN 55344 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mjn [mailto:mjn@umn.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 9:30 AM > To: Twirling Pickles of Death > Subject: [TCLUG] SNMP monitors... > > I've been asked to find some software for SNMP monitoring > here at work. > > I know very little about the protocol (I know what MIBs are and that > querying them will get you information about the machine in questions, > provided you know what to ask for) and do not have much > experience with > software for monitoring it. > > Ideally, we're looking for something free -or very close to it- with a > web > interface and the capability to send problem notifications. Our shop > consists of Novell, Windows, and Linux servers and would probably like > to > have this running on our linux box. > > I've taken a look at both Big Sister and Zabbix briefly but I was > wondering if anyone out there had anything dear to their heart that > they'd > recommend. > > Thanks for hte input. > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Mike Neuharth > ADCS Technology Specialist > http://www.umn.edu/adcs > =============================================== > E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu > Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com > _______________________________________________ > "What is important, it seems to me, is not so much to defend a culture > whose existence has never kept a man from going hungry, as > to extract, > from what is called culture, ideas whose compelling force is > identical > with that of hunger." -Antonin Artaud > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.com Wed Jul 16 11:03:44 2003 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:20 2005 Subject: Gladiator - was Re: [TCLUG] Installfest questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F157760.8040008@cdf123.com> Jima wrote: >On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Andy Moore wrote: > > >>I've had a couple people say they can bring mirrored stuff and Gladiator >>may be available but no confirmation on that yet. >> >> > > Yes on *some* mirrored stuff, no on Gladiator. (It's now too large, >unwieldy, and breakable.) > > Jima > This just got me thinking... A few installfests back some people were discussing making a "Gladiator ISO", kinda like a Knoppix or at least a ZipSlack, so if someone wanted Gladiator at an installfest they could just download and install a system with the "Gladiator ISO", set up hardware (services/etc could be pre-configured) and have a working server in less than an hour or so. Then just download distro isos/mirrors/etc. Is this still a feasable option (good idea / bad idea)? is anyone working on it or willing to work on it? Just wondering.... Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amoore at loneoakmn.com Wed Jul 16 11:13:12 2003 From: amoore at loneoakmn.com (Andy Moore) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] wireless at installfest? In-Reply-To: <20030716155404.GA14691@mail.el-swifto.com> References: <20030716155404.GA14691@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <3F157998.6020607@loneoakmn.com> John J. Trammell wrote: >Any plans to have an AP at the installfest? > > > I'm not real sure what coverage is like down here but from what I've heard, it's spotty at best. Someone with the necessary equipment would just have to try to get a signal. I will be here by 9am on Saturday if anybody wants to help set-up/test wireless AP/net config/string power/etc. --The Wandering Dru _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Wed Jul 16 11:33:31 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest questions In-Reply-To: References: <20030716101311.24cea6bb.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030716113331.38876cce.sfertch@real-time.com> On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 10:29:35 -0500 (CDT) Jima wrote: > If you try downloading Debian from the 'net, you'll likely feel the > wrath > of the network administrators. I wouldn't recommend it. > Hopefully we'll be able to get a local Debian mirror. We're working > on > that, quietly, behind the scenes... > Thanks, thus my reason for asking. I'm not familiar with Debian, but I do want to try it, and given my plans for an LTSP server Debian fits the bill nicely. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mike at mikemaurer.net Wed Jul 16 12:03:40 2003 From: mike at mikemaurer.net (Mike Maurer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FAI questions In-Reply-To: <20030716132433.GF17431@real-time.com> References: <20030716132433.GF17431@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3F15856C.3020907@mikemaurer.net> I've setup a cluster of 36 clients using FAI. Since FAI uses NFS to mount the root parition during install, I don't think so. A quick google search shows there are ftpfs and httpfs kernel patches, which would probably let you mount the partition, but things like devices and sockets may act funky using this setup (?). If you're just starting with FAI, try making it work with NFS first, since what the system is assuming, and then copy the nfsroot over to the http location. I say this because it can take 20-40 minutes to run through an install, only to find out something was setup wrong that isn't necessarily a trivial fix. Using http might introduce new errors that would be easier to debug if they're not intermixed with FAI-specific errors. Mike Amy Tanner wrote: >FAI experts: can FAI be configured to use http (like kickstart) rather >than nfs? > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Jul 16 12:26:23 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FAI questions In-Reply-To: <3F15856C.3020907@mikemaurer.net> References: <20030716132433.GF17431@real-time.com> <3F15856C.3020907@mikemaurer.net> Message-ID: <20030716172623.GB14117@skuld.wookimus.net> Amy Tanner asked: > FAI experts: can FAI be configured to use http (like kickstart) rather > than nfs? Mike Maurer wrote: > I've setup a cluster of 36 clients using FAI. We use it at the Institute for Mathematics and it's Applications (IMA) to install around 80 or so workstations. It works well, but it's a real bear to configure. As Debian packages start using Debconf instead of shell hacks, it becomes easier. Mike Maurer wrote: > Since FAI uses NFS to mount the root parition during install, I don't > think so. FAI does have the ability to download and expand a root tarball. I don't recall if it's http or ftp or what, but you CAN do it, I believe. It's been over a year since I last worked with FAI, though, so don't take my word for it. The best thing to do is get on the FAI user's list. There are other alternative installation utilities for Debian. The UMN Computing Science department uses a Progeny product called 'autoinstall'. autoinstall - Progeny Debian auto-installation system autoinstall-i386 - Progeny Debian auto-installation system - i386-specific files Ask Scott Dier about this setup. I downloaded the source code for it and it looks pretty slick, and far easier to wrap your head around than FAI. There does look to be a very net-centric installation methodology to it, but it's pretty flexible. "Minimal Tarball --------------- The autoinstaller currently relies on a "minimal system tarball". This could be an official minimal system tarball such as that used by Debian 2.2 (potato) or Progeny Debian 1.0 (newton). Debian 3.0 (woody) does not have a minimal tarball. Instead, it contains the "debootstrap" program, which installs a minimal set of packages directly onto the target system. You can use debootstrap to create a minimal system tarball and place it on a Web server. After installing debootstrap ("apt-get install debootstrap" should do the trick) and following debootstrap's instructions for creating a minimal system in a directory, do this: cd && tar cf - . | gzip -9 > ../base.tgz This will create a tarball suitable for use with the autoinstaller." The rest is handled by apt-get. Had I to set up the IMA installation all over again, I'd use autoinstall. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 240 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030716/56f8c8f7/attachment.pgp From sfertch at real-time.com Wed Jul 16 13:08:59 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FAI questions In-Reply-To: <20030716132433.GF17431@real-time.com> References: <20030716132433.GF17431@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030716130859.0977e716.sfertch@real-time.com> On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 08:24:34 -0500 Amy Tanner wrote: > FAI experts: can FAI be configured to use http (like kickstart) rather > than nfs? Sorry, but what the heck is FAI???? -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Jul 16 13:34:29 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Prep for installfest... In-Reply-To: <1058333689.a1c83380kcbnac@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, K B wrote: > I also have a CalComp600 Printer, I can bring with (basically an HP 4) Lots of ink, do we need to do any massive printing? Or should I leave the beast home? I'll leave it home unless someone needs it. Just needs some paper. I can get 4k-5k pages, I won't ever use it up, likely, anyway. i do not think we ever had a need to print things at an installfest and i do not believe that we will ever need one that big. -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Jul 16 13:42:06 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:21 2005 Subject: Gladiator - was Re: [TCLUG] Installfest questions In-Reply-To: <3F157760.8040008@cdf123.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Chris Frederick wrote: > This just got me thinking... A few installfests back some people were > discussing making a "Gladiator ISO", kinda like a Knoppix or at least a > ZipSlack, so if someone wanted Gladiator at an installfest they could > just download and install a system with the "Gladiator ISO", set up > hardware (services/etc could be pre-configured) and have a working > server in less than an hour or so. Then just download distro > isos/mirrors/etc. just use knoppix and make sure you have a big drive, knoppix has all the tools necessary to start http/ftp/nfs servers why make a specific tool when a generic one will work just as well? -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Wed Jul 16 13:45:46 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FAI questions In-Reply-To: <20030716130859.0977e716.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20030716132433.GF17431@real-time.com> <20030716130859.0977e716.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030716184546.GC14117@skuld.wookimus.net> On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 01:08:59PM -0500, Shawn wrote: > Sorry, but what the heck is FAI???? http://google.com/search?q=FAI+Linux -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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"Lawrence Clemens" wrote: >Thanks for the lead on Libranet - but I'm seeing a downlad rate of 64-96 hrs >for the first disk! >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 9:00 AM >Subject: [TCLUG] Libranet2.8? > > >> Just for you Debian lovers Libranet2.8 free down loads for 72 hrs then its >back off.. 1 time only !!!! >> >> go to mnservicemasters.com and click on the under construction sign >> >> Thanks for everyone past help :) >> >> __________________________________________________________________ >> McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. >> Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial >today! >> http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 >> >> Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! >> http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Wed Jul 16 15:34:35 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] statistical math problem and search algoritm Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE1B9@mail.temgweb.com> So, not really a linux question persay, however, I'll probably be trying to implement this with perl under linux. :) Say I have a very large file of random characters, like 8GB. And I have another smaller file of random data. I want to take the largest chunks I can from the small file, and find out where in the large file they will fit (match). Statistically, how likely is it to match strings of length 50 chars, 100, 200, etc... Also, what kind of search algorithm would be best for this. Say I'm trying to match a string 50 characters long to something in the larger file and it matches, but, if I had started that string 20 characters sooner, I would have been able to match 70 characters instead of just 50. I want kind of a fuzzy search algorithm that can find the largest matching pieces first, and then match the smaller leftovers. Any ideas? :) Jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From STEVEWABC at netscape.net Wed Jul 16 15:36:26 2003 From: STEVEWABC at netscape.net (STEVEWABC@netscape.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest questions Message-ID: <576F74AF.1E65526D.026842C8@netscape.net> Hi Shawn Say being you looking to go to Debian I have a down load going at this time for all my friends only. you should have received a email on libranet2.8 100 % debain But much nicer and loads vary fast yet all Debian packages are on it... Try you will love it!!! The down load is running slow at this time there must be a lot downloading going on wright now!!! So try a little later.... To the Rest of You, if your not a Friend dont email me You can have it...That the Copy rights Shawn wrote: >Okay, I'm registered for the installfest. I plan on bringing two computers with me, one is my desktop. Having problems getting Slack installed on it. I have the 4 disk distro set, which I will be bringing with me. > >The second on is what I use for my internal server (dns, samba, etc). Which I'd like to load Debian on. I'm thinking of either stable, or the one getting ready to become stable. Can never remember the names on them... This system also has a burner, and i plan on it becoming a server for thin clients to boot from. > >Is the pipe going to be big enough to handle the Debian install source pull, or is that mirrored off a system? I'll download the LTSP stuff from home before I arrive. > >-- >Shawn > >The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Wed Jul 16 15:38:17 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Libranet2.8????? In-Reply-To: <2EE32526.1A5CD24F.026842C8@netscape.net> References: <2EE32526.1A5CD24F.026842C8@netscape.net> Message-ID: <20030716203817.GG14338@autonomous.tv> On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 04:16:21PM -0400, STEVEWABC@netscape.net wrote: >yaa you should be on this end trying to do things on line my system is >totally loaded down right now. lolol I will not post any thing like >that again. lolol this is on a cable....You no if there is away to find >out the total of downloads going on? This is a good test I must say!!!! You can check your /var/log/apache/access_log (or whatever you call it) and see how many hits to that url. Another thing you can do is fire up iptraf on the boxx and see what nodes are downloading what, and how fast among other things. I suspect your default install will have iptraf, else just apt-get install iptraf. There are, of course, many ways to do what you are talking about. -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The down load is > running slow at this time there must be a lot downloading going on > wright now!!! So try a little later.... > > To the Rest of You, if your not a Friend dont email me You can have > it...That the Copy rights > > > Shawn wrote: > > >Okay, I'm registered for the installfest. I plan on bringing two > >computers with me, one is my desktop. Having problems getting Slack > >installed on it. I have the 4 disk distro set, which I will be > >bringing with me. > > > >The second on is what I use for my internal server (dns, samba, etc). > > Which I'd like to load Debian on. I'm thinking of either stable, or > > the one getting ready to become stable. Can never remember the > > names on them... This system also has a burner, and i plan on it > > becoming a server for thin clients to boot from. > > > >Is the pipe going to be big enough to handle the Debian install > >source pull, or is that mirrored off a system? I'll download the > >LTSP stuff from home before I arrive. > > > >-- > >Shawn > > > >The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. > > > >_______________________________________________ > >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. > Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial > today! > http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 > > Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! > http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From STEVEWABC at netscape.net Wed Jul 16 15:50:50 2003 From: STEVEWABC at netscape.net (STEVEWABC@netscape.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Libranet2.8????? Message-ID: <07344C9F.0076E39D.026842C8@netscape.net> spencer Talk about being hit hard wow there are 19 downloads going right now on my server lolol Haaaa I think this should be done at night so I can get some work done ...lolol Spencer Butler wrote: >On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 04:16:21PM -0400, STEVEWABC@netscape.net wrote: >>yaa you should be on this end trying to do things on line my system is >>totally loaded down right now. lolol I will not post any thing like >>that again. lolol this is on a cable....You no if there is away to find >>out the total of downloads going on? This is a good test I must say!!!! > >You can check your /var/log/apache/access_log (or whatever you call it) >and see how many hits to that url. Another thing you can do is fire up >iptraf on the boxx and see what nodes are downloading what, and how fast >among other things. I suspect your default install will have iptraf, >else just apt-get install iptraf. There are, of course, many ways to do >what you are talking about. > >-- >Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer >http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv >Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 > __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rwh at visi.com Wed Jul 16 16:02:05 2003 From: rwh at visi.com (Richard Hoffbeck) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:22 2005 Subject: *** LINUX *** [TCLUG] statistical math problem and search algoritm In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE1B9@mail.temgweb.com> References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE1B9@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <3F15BD4D.2090501@visi.com> This is close to what geneticists do when they're computing global sequence alignments. That's usually done as a dynamic programming problem and it scales very poorly. I think it can also be done as a directed graph but the computational complexity and space requirements are the same as for the DP. The computations aren't too bad but the space requirement is something like n*m*3*ptr_size so for matching 200 characters in an 8GB file you'd be looking at 200*8GB*64-bits*3 which is big in my book :-) If the characters are really random I think you're screwed. If they come from a known source where you can calculate the frequencies of the characters, digraphs, trigraphs, etc. you could initially search the long string for the least likely occurances of sequences in the shorter string to establish possible matchpoints in the larger string to limit additional searches to one side or the other. Grab a book on algorithms and look for edit distance or edit graphs, or a book on genetic computation and look for global sequence alignments for the gory details. There are several hueristic approaches that geneticists have developed to keep the problem manageable, at the risk of not finding the optimal match, that may work for your problem. --rick Austad, Jay wrote: >So, not really a linux question persay, however, I'll probably be trying to >implement this with perl under linux. :) > >Say I have a very large file of random characters, like 8GB. And I have >another smaller file of random data. I want to take the largest chunks I >can from the small file, and find out where in the large file they will fit >(match). Statistically, how likely is it to match strings of length 50 >chars, 100, 200, etc... > >Also, what kind of search algorithm would be best for this. Say I'm trying >to match a string 50 characters long to something in the larger file and it >matches, but, if I had started that string 20 characters sooner, I would >have been able to match 70 characters instead of just 50. I want kind of a >fuzzy search algorithm that can find the largest matching pieces first, and >then match the smaller leftovers. > >Any ideas? :) > >Jay > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Wed Jul 16 16:17:43 2003 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] statistical math problem and search algoritm In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE1B9@mail.temgweb.com> References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE1B9@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <16149.49399.531778.728364@gargle.gargle.HOWL> IIRC string matching algorithms for VERY LONG strings (e.g., DNA sequences), are relatively specialized beasts. Tend to use vector operations and be parallelized. Here's a pointer into the Citeseer database that might get you started: http://citeseer.nj.nec.com/298209.html As far as the probabilities..... hmmmm. As a first approximation, you might try just looking at a geometric distribution. Wouldn't be accurate, because if you got a mis-match at point n, after matching at positions 1...n, rolling back to position 2 wouldn't be an independent trial. But it would give you an upper bound quickly. R _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mike at mikemaurer.net Wed Jul 16 16:36:36 2003 From: mike at mikemaurer.net (Mike Maurer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest questions In-Reply-To: <20030716154307.431975f0.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <576F74AF.1E65526D.026842C8@netscape.net> <20030716154307.431975f0.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3F15C564.2050900@mikemaurer.net> If you're interested in Debian, I would recommend trying to get knoppix or morphix. Both knoppix and morphix (and their many variants) have very good hardware auto detection, give you a nice functional, working base install, are based on kde 3.1 and gnome 2.2 respectively, and are pure debian. Morphix has a nice GTK-based installer scriptlet, and knoppix has the terminal based knx-hdinstall. Both are pretty straight forward, just setup hard drive partitions and click install plus a few more prompts. About 20 minutes latter you have a fully functional debian setup. Both of these are mirrored on high bandwidth sites and don't have any commercial restrictions like libranet does. What does libranet do beyond providing some professional support that knoppix and morphix don't? If the answer is just that it's more polished and you get support, that's cool, I'd just like to know since I generally recommend people that are interested in Debian to get knoppix or morphix. Mike Shawn wrote: >Thanks, I saw it... Was a very slow download, so I cancelled out of it. > >will try again later. > > >On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 16:36:26 -0400 >STEVEWABC@netscape.net wrote: > > > >>Hi Shawn >> >>Say being you looking to go to Debian I have a down load going at this >>time for all my friends only. you should have received a email on >>libranet2.8 100 % debain But much nicer and loads vary fast yet all >>Debian packages are on it... Try you will love it!!! The down load is >>running slow at this time there must be a lot downloading going on >>wright now!!! So try a little later.... >> >>To the Rest of You, if your not a Friend dont email me You can have >>it...That the Copy rights >> >> >>Shawn wrote: >> >> >> >>>Okay, I'm registered for the installfest. I plan on bringing two >>>computers with me, one is my desktop. Having problems getting Slack >>>installed on it. I have the 4 disk distro set, which I will be >>>bringing with me. >>> >>>The second on is what I use for my internal server (dns, samba, etc). >>>Which I'd like to load Debian on. I'm thinking of either stable, or >>>the one getting ready to become stable. Can never remember the >>>names on them... This system also has a burner, and i plan on it >>>becoming a server for thin clients to boot from. >>> >>>Is the pipe going to be big enough to handle the Debian install >>>source pull, or is that mirrored off a system? I'll download the >>>LTSP stuff from home before I arrive. >>> >>>-- >>>Shawn >>> >>>The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >>> >>__________________________________________________________________ >>McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. >>Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial >>today! >>http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 >> >>Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! >>http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From duncan at sodatrain.com Wed Jul 16 16:59:20 2003 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (Duncan Shannon) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail server In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE194@mail.temgweb.com> References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE194@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <3F15CAB8.8000604@sodatrain.com> Austad, Jay wrote: > After reading through the thread and seeing everyone argue about qmail, I'll > tell you what I think of it. > > About 3 years ago, I was tasked to build a large mail cluster to handle > stock pricing alerts and opt-in stock newsletters for my employer. At the > time, the only mailserver that could give me any sort of decent performance >..... Just wanted to say thanks to Jay for a very informational and rational message to the list. If only they were all this way :) -- Duncan Shannon Non-Profit Web hosting and design http://www.npohost.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From LCLEMENS at mn.rr.com Wed Jul 16 18:43:05 2003 From: LCLEMENS at mn.rr.com (Lawrence Clemens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Libranet2.8????? References: <07344C9F.0076E39D.026842C8@netscape.net> Message-ID: <004e01c34bf4$01697de0$71fea8c0@computer> Yeah, you are loaded up. No good deed goes unpunished. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Libranet2.8????? > spencer > > Talk about being hit hard wow there are 19 downloads going right now on my server lolol > > Haaaa I think this should be done at night so I can get some work done ...lolol > > > Spencer Butler wrote: > > >On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 04:16:21PM -0400, STEVEWABC@netscape.net wrote: > >>yaa you should be on this end trying to do things on line my system is > >>totally loaded down right now. lolol I will not post any thing like > >>that again. lolol this is on a cable....You no if there is away to find > >>out the total of downloads going on? This is a good test I must say!!!! > > > >You can check your /var/log/apache/access_log (or whatever you call it) > >and see how many hits to that url. Another thing you can do is fire up > >iptraf on the boxx and see what nodes are downloading what, and how fast > >among other things. I suspect your default install will have iptraf, > >else just apt-get install iptraf. There are, of course, many ways to do > >what you are talking about. > > > >-- > >Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer > >http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv > >Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. > Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! > http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 > > Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! > http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From stevewabc at comcast.net Wed Jul 16 19:41:16 2003 From: stevewabc at comcast.net (Steven Williams) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PLEASE READ Message-ID: <1058402476.3979.6.camel@Steven> Please anyone that has "NOT" started the download and that wants to DON'T please hold on for now, and if your on dial up and trying this please pull out for you will be downloading for days. get yours at the installfest someone there should have it!!!! we are up to 26 downloads and need it down to 12 I do need to get some work done here.... Thank You....For understanding I will post again when things slow down....Boy there is a lot of lovers out there in the TClug !!!!! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Jul 16 19:58:35 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail server In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE194@mail.temgweb.com> References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE194@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <20030717005833.GX2047@techmonkeys.org> > Running it under linux presented problems > because linux has a limit where a single process can only have 1024 file > descriptors. Contrary to popular belief, this is *not* easily changable by > echoing something into /proc or using ulimit. If you don't believe me, try > it, it won't work. I later confirmed this with a kernel developer, and it's > something that was supposedly going to change in the 2.5/2.6 kernel. That's simply untrue, there are many IRC servers out there that handle thousands of clients running on Linux, and have done so since the 2.2.x kernels. Here are the instructions for the 2.2.x kernel: http://www.volano.com/linux.html 2.4.x kernels: http://support.zeus.com/faq/zws/v4/entries/os/linuxfd.html -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From STEVEWABC at netscape.net Wed Jul 16 20:03:27 2003 From: STEVEWABC at netscape.net (STEVEWABC@netscape.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest questions Message-ID: <6747B667.3D9B10FC.026842C8@netscape.net> #1 You do not get support from the Download V. only there Forum which is vary good. 2.Libranet has alot more to offer then knoppix or morphix, But like them Libranet also has Great hardware auto detection.. I have ran most of the Distro's out there, and knoppix and morphix, the only one I would say is better is Gentoo and Slackware, but I don't have the time to sit and config everything so with that said.. For me that puts Libranet on top...The Dep Hell thing for the most part is Gone due to apt-get..... 3.Here is some good info on how to set up your apt-get http://www.madpenguin.org/viewtopic.php?topic=191&forum=15&6 Mike Maurer wrote: >If you're interested in Debian, I would recommend trying to get knoppix >or morphix. >Both knoppix and morphix (and their many variants) have very good >hardware auto detection, give you a nice functional, working base >install, are based on kde 3.1 and gnome 2.2 respectively, and are pure >debian. Morphix has a nice GTK-based installer scriptlet, and knoppix >has the terminal based knx-hdinstall. Both are pretty straight forward, >just setup hard drive partitions and click install plus a few more >prompts. About 20 minutes latter you have a fully functional debian setup. > >Both of these are mirrored on high bandwidth sites and don't have any >commercial restrictions like libranet does. > >What does libranet do beyond providing some professional support that >knoppix and morphix don't? If the answer is just that it's more polished >and you get support, that's cool, I'd just like to know since I >generally recommend people that are interested in Debian to get knoppix >or morphix. > >Mike > > >Shawn wrote: > >>Thanks, I saw it... Was a very slow download, so I cancelled out of it. >> >>will try again later. >> >> >>On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 16:36:26 -0400 >>STEVEWABC@netscape.net wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hi Shawn >>> >>>Say being you looking to go to Debian I have a down load going at this >>>time for all my friends only. you should have received a email on >>>libranet2.8 100 % debain But much nicer and loads vary fast yet all >>>Debian packages are on it... Try you will love it!!! The down load is >>>running slow at this time there must be a lot downloading going on >>>wright now!!! So try a little later.... >>> >>>To the Rest of You, if your not a Friend dont email me You can have >>>it...That the Copy rights >>> >>> >>>Shawn wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Okay, I'm registered for the installfest. I plan on bringing two >>>>computers with me, one is my desktop. Having problems getting Slack >>>>installed on it. I have the 4 disk distro set, which I will be >>>>bringing with me. >>>> >>>>The second on is what I use for my internal server (dns, samba, etc). >>>>Which I'd like to load Debian on. I'm thinking of either stable, or >>>>the one getting ready to become stable. Can never remember the >>>>names on them... This system also has a burner, and i plan on it >>>>becoming a server for thin clients to boot from. >>>> >>>>Is the pipe going to be big enough to handle the Debian install >>>>source pull, or is that mirrored off a system? I'll download the >>>>LTSP stuff from home before I arrive. >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Shawn >>>> >>>>The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>>>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>__________________________________________________________________ >>>McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. >>>Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial >>>today! >>>http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 >>> >>>Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! >>>http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jul 16 20:57:13 2003 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel 2.6.0-test1 Message-ID: <1058407032.20780.1126.camel@3po> Has anyone played with the new 2.6.0-test1 kernel much yet? I went through the configure process last night before going to bed, but haven't gotten around to compiling anything yet (my CPU is busy with some other stuff at the moment). Configuring sure has become a lot harder over time.. I think I used to be able to get through it in just a few minutes, but now it seems to take an hour or something. I guess that would make sense, though, since the kernel has grown in size by about 10 times.. Anyway, I suppose I'll be playing around with it this weekend (hmm, maybe I should muck with it on my laptop at the installfest). I'd really like to get my laptop to do software suspend, but that will probably be something more complex than what I'd like to attack, but maybe it would be enjoyable (though I should probably make some backups first ;-) I'm also interested in playing around with some of the crypto stuff in the kernel. That is something I've been anticipating for quite a long time (and am somewhat surprised to see finally included..) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I came, I saw, I did a / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ little shopping. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thank > You....For understanding I will post again when things slow down....Boy > there is a lot of lovers out there in the TClug !!!!! > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Jul 16 21:11:49 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] PLEASE READ In-Reply-To: <1058402476.3979.6.camel@Steven> Message-ID: On 16 Jul 2003, Steven Williams wrote: > Please anyone that has "NOT" started the download and that wants to > DON'T please hold on for now, and if your on dial up and trying this > please pull out for you will be downloading for days. get yours at the > installfest someone there should have it!!!! we are up to 26 downloads > and need it down to 12 I do need to get some work done here.... Thank > You....For understanding I will post again when things slow down....Boy > there is a lot of lovers out there in the TClug !!!!! why not use bittorrent next time? -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drake at lemongecko.org Wed Jul 16 21:05:14 2003 From: drake at lemongecko.org (Dan Drake) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel 2.6.0-test1 In-Reply-To: <1058407032.20780.1126.camel@3po>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 08:57:13PM -0500 References: <1058407032.20780.1126.camel@3po> Message-ID: <20030716210514.B3293@lemongecko.org> On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 at 20:57 -0500, Mike Hicks wrote: > Has anyone played with the new 2.6.0-test1 kernel much yet? Yep. Works fine, although sound required some futzing since they switched to ALSA. The system seems a bit more snappy, but it's nothing amazing. > I went through the configure process last night before going to bed, but > haven't gotten around to compiling anything yet The configuration process is much longer than it used to be. You have to explicitly compile in support for a keyboard and for displaying a console on the screen, otherwise everything works just fine but you don't see anything. Be careful in the "Input device support" and "Character devices" sections. > I'm also interested in playing around with some of the crypto stuff in > the kernel. Me too. I'm interesting in encrypting my home directory (or the partition it resides on)...if anyone knows any links, post 'em. Dan -- --- DA1A E0F0 7E07 27C3 7539 F2F4 5AF1 2C82 A17E D584 ----- Dan Drake ------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It'd sure suck if people rendered other peoples' work redundant. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list This is not about Napster or DVDs. It's about your Freedom. http://www.anti-dmca.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jul 16 21:28:38 2003 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail server In-Reply-To: <20030717005833.GX2047@techmonkeys.org> References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE194@mail.temgweb.com> <20030717005833.GX2047@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <1058408917.20780.1131.camel@3po> On Wed, 2003-07-16 at 19:58, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > 2.4.x kernels: > > http://support.zeus.com/faq/zws/v4/entries/os/linuxfd.html That's interesting. I didn't know that a limiting factor could be in the PAM security stuff (though I suppose there may be another way to change it..) I'd always thought all that stuff was controlled through the /proc filesystem (and in 2.4, the only control that is in /proc is something to control how many files can be open on the entire system, rather than a per-user, per-process, or per-thread basis) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ My other computer is an / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ abacus. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Oh wait. They didn't. I wonder why such a post made it to a Linux email list then... Things that make you go hmmm... -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Jul 16 22:50:57 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:24 2005 Subject: (OFFTOPIC) Re: [TCLUG] Latest Microsoft Security Problem In-Reply-To: <20030717034522.GB21673@skuld.wookimus.net> References: <00c101c34c14$9f68ac80$71fea8c0@computer> <20030717034522.GB21673@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20030717035057.GY2047@techmonkeys.org> On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 10:45:22PM -0500, Chad Walstrom wrote: > Since when did Microsoft distribute Linux. Oh wait. They didn't. I > wonder why such a post made it to a Linux email list then... Things > that make you go hmmm... I consider these a friendly reminder to make sure my firewall rules are up to date for the upcoming barrage of worm probes. > -- > Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ > assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From stevewabc at comcast.net Wed Jul 16 23:34:28 2003 From: stevewabc at comcast.net (Steven Williams) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Great Info on apt-get Message-ID: <1058416468.4762.3.camel@Steven> Hope it helps someone: http://www.madpenguin.org/viewtopic.php?topic=191&forum=15&6 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Thu Jul 17 08:26:54 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel 2.6.0-test1 In-Reply-To: <20030716210514.B3293@lemongecko.org> References: <1058407032.20780.1126.camel@3po> <20030716210514.B3293@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: <20030717132654.GH14575@fandre.com> On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Dan Drake wrote: > The configuration process is much longer than it used to be. You have to > explicitly compile in support for a keyboard and for displaying a console > on the screen, otherwise everything works just fine but you don't see > anything. Be careful in the "Input device support" and "Character devices" > sections. > Sounds like a good topic for an upcoming meeting. Anyone willing to give a quick presentation? (August 2nd?) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.com Thu Jul 17 10:20:17 2003 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel 2.6.0-test1 In-Reply-To: <20030716210514.B3293@lemongecko.org> References: <1058407032.20780.1126.camel@3po> <20030716210514.B3293@lemongecko.org> Message-ID: <3F16BEB1.1090902@cdf123.com> Dan Drake wrote: >On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 at 20:57 -0500, Mike Hicks wrote: > > >>I'm also interested in playing around with some of the crypto stuff in >>the kernel. >> >> > >Me too. I'm interesting in encrypting my home directory (or the partition >it resides on)...if anyone knows any links, post 'em. > >Dan > > Got this off of a free Linux Journal issue. Here's a quick example. Kernel needs CONFIG_CRYPTO, CONFIG_CRYPTOLOOP, and CONFIG_CIPHERS #Create file to store the filesystem image dd if=/dev/urandom of=encryptedfs.img bs=1M count=20 #Create a loopback interface using the AES cipher, this may need a password/key size depending on the cipher used losetup -e aes /dev/loop0 encryptedfs.img #mkfs mkfs -t ext2 /dev/loop0 #mount, this may need a password/key size depending on the cipher used mount -o loop,encryption=aec encryptedfs.img /home/user I recommend getting the issue (08/2003) as the article goes into much greater detail and shows how to automount on login. It also has a couple nice sections about NSA's SE Linux, and a quick list of OpenSSH tricks. It also mentions that the AES cipher is about 50% slower on the machine they used. It would be interesting to compare specs (cpu/hd/ram) and speeds with various ciphers and systems. Didn't find much for links with google, but here's a german site that basicly goes through the same steps here. (google translated) http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.thomas-alfeld.de/frank/index.php%3Ffile%3Dmisc%252FCrypto%2BLoop&prev=/search%3Fq%3DCONFIG_CRYPTOLOOP%2Bhome%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DG Enjoy Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bruce.broecker at toro.com Thu Jul 17 11:20:20 2003 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Another possible Installfest location Message-ID: All the talk about meeting locations prompted me to talk to our facilities folks. I can host an Installfest (or actual meeting, if that's desirable) at Toro's facilities in Bloomington. Lots of parking and easy access to the highway (sounds like I'm selling a house). The only catch is, I have to take responsibility for you yahoos. Anyway, the space in question has room for 60-80 people easy, with tables and chairs. I've got three separate 20 amp circuits into the room, and can probably pull more from the cafeteria next door. There are at least 4 network jacks into the room, and I have plenty of switching equipment, as well as wireless, that I can provide. Finally, I have 3mbps to Onvoy and 3mbps to Sprint all backed by a transparent cache. Evenings or Saturdays are OK (Saturday is probably better), I just need a couple of weeks notice and to confirm the availability with facilities. Bruce Bruce Broecker Network Comm Supervisor The Toro Company _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amoore at loneoakmn.com Thu Jul 17 11:40:22 2003 From: amoore at loneoakmn.com (Andy Moore) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Another possible Installfest location In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F16D176.9010803@loneoakmn.com> Bruce Broecker wrote: >All the talk about meeting locations prompted me to talk to our facilities folks. I can host an Installfest (or actual meeting, if that's desirable) at Toro's facilities in Bloomington. Lots of parking and easy access to the highway (sounds like I'm selling a house). > >The only catch is, I have to take responsibility for you yahoos. > >Anyway, the space in question has room for 60-80 people easy, with tables and chairs. I've got three separate 20 amp circuits into the room, and can probably pull more from the cafeteria next door. There are at least 4 network jacks into the room, and I have plenty of switching equipment, as well as wireless, that I can provide. Finally, I have 3mbps to Onvoy and 3mbps to Sprint all backed by a transparent cache. > >Evenings or Saturdays are OK (Saturday is probably better), I just need a couple of weeks notice and to confirm the availability with facilities. > >Bruce > >Bruce Broecker >Network Comm Supervisor >The Toro Company > > Ooooooooo!! Sounds like a sweet spot. I'm all for having the next one there. --The Wandering Dru _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Thu Jul 17 11:55:56 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mount mirror Message-ID: <32786.66.103.174.84.1058460956.squirrel@lctn.org> We have a MB with a fastrack raid controller that my redhat install could not pick up, so we added a 3ware card, and it worked perfect. Just for kicks I enabled the fastrack controller after the install and was able to mirror my apps drive. On boot up the mirrored drives show up as hde, and hdg. What would be the proper fstab syntax to mount this mirror? -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Thu Jul 17 11:54:09 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail server Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE1C6@mail.temgweb.com> > That's simply untrue, there are many IRC servers out there that handle > thousands of clients running on Linux, and have done so since > the 2.2.x > kernels. I've argued this before on this list. :) With FreeBSD, you just add -DFD_SETSIZE when you compile, and this works. However, with linux, you cannot do this. There is a hard limit of 1024 descriptors in FD_SET(). Apparently, you can't just change it and recompile as it will break a bunch of things. I would assume that these IRC servers are forking multiple copies or using poll() instead of select() (qmail uses select()). If you can get qmail running on linux with a conf-spawn of more than 509, I'd like to see it. I spent weeks trying to get this to work, I tried recompiling the kernel, using ulimit, changing things in /proc, and there is still a hard set limit for FD_SET of 1024. Anyway, if I remember correctly, it's qmail-queue that actually dies when you go over the limit. It communicates with every qmail-send process that's running, and has a file descriptor open for each one, rather than qmail-send opening the descriptor itself. Jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jamuraa at base0.net Thu Jul 17 12:31:47 2003 From: jamuraa at base0.net (Michael Janssen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Bittorrent and Debian In-Reply-To: <20030717030006.GA21673@skuld.wookimus.net> References: <1058402476.3979.6.camel@Steven> <20030717030006.GA21673@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20030717173147.GA18530@base0.net> On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 10:00:06PM -0500, Chad Walstrom wrote: > On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 09:11:49PM -0500, Munir Nassar wrote: > > why not use bittorrent next time? > > That reminds me. It sounds like there is development in progress to > provide apt-get with a bittorrent module[1]. That should take a bit of > load off the ftp and http mirrors. > > References > ========== > 1. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200307/msg00473.html > > -- > Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ > assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ It is worthwhile to note that we were very non-plussed about some of the stuff when they were talking about this with the bittorrent dev team. The resultant "bittorrent extention" most likely won't actually be compatible with the current bittorrent protocol, and therefore shouldn't really be called bittorrent. At least bram doesn't think so. It is an idea that I heartily support, however. Then again, it seems very likely that we will have (real) bittorrent mirrors for the next ISO release from day 1, which will help immensely. -- Michael Janssen --- Jamuraa --- jamuraa@base0.net --- jamuraa@debian.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Thu Jul 17 12:54:59 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NFS issues Message-ID: <20030717125459.34a90d31.sfertch@real-time.com> I'm running into some NFS issues, and can't find a reason why. I've done a couple of quick google searches, but the hits are huge (bad search option). Not to mention the suggestions aren't relevant to what I'm experiencing. I'm trying to NFS mount a directory off another server, it allows all boxes to connect to it btw. I can get the directory to mount on other systems that haven't mounted it previously without issue. The system I'm having these problems on, I always get "permission denied" errors. I've tried mounting other NFS shares off other boxes (Sun, HP, IBM, Linux platforms), and get the same results with this system. All the searches say to ensure that the /etc/exports file is set properly which it is. Again, other systems can mount no problem. I've also tried stopping and restarting the NFS daemons, with no success to the issues. I've also re-exported the directories from the NFS server. Does anyone have any suggestions? -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Jul 17 13:07:51 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Another possible Installfest location In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030717180751.GA25653@skuld.wookimus.net> On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 11:20:20AM -0500, Bruce Broecker wrote: > I can host an Installfest (or actual meeting, if that's desirable) at > Toro's facilities in Bloomington. Sounds great! -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The promise controller is definitely supported by the newer kernels, but you'll want to make sure you don't have to boot off the disks. You will never get Lilo or GRUB to see the mirror device as bootable. I'm assuming that you're not using the Promise-supplied controllers, otherwise you wouldn't see the IDE devices at all; they would be presented as a single SCSI drive. What you're probably seeing is the built in ATARAID support in the newer kernels (>= 2.4.18). The driver does work, as I'm told, but I'd be cautious and only use data that is easy to recover in case the mirror itself fails. The device you want is /dev/ataraid/d0[p][1-*], where * is a wildcard. The "p" represents the partitions. bash# fdisk /dev/ataraid/d0 # partition out as appropriate I would seriously consider using a journaling filesystem on a mirror array, simply to improve write performance. bash# mkfs.ext3 /dev/ataraid/d0p1 bash# mount -t ext3 /dev/ataraid/d0p1 /mirror0 Good luck! P.S. The O'Reilly book on Linux RAID is an excellent source of information! -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 240 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030717/88408bef/attachment.pgp From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Thu Jul 17 13:22:39 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NFS issues In-Reply-To: <20030717125459.34a90d31.sfertch@real-time.com>; from sfertch@real-time.com on Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 12:54:59PM -0500 References: <20030717125459.34a90d31.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030717132238.A18863@thinkunix.net> Shawn wrote: > I'm trying to NFS mount a directory off another server, it allows all boxes to connect to it btw. I can get the directory to mount on other systems that haven't mounted it previously without issue. The system I'm having these problems on, I always get "permission denied" errors. What to check when nfs doesn't work: Ex: root@local# mount -t nfs remote:/exported /nfsmount mount: remote:/exported failed, reason given by server: Permission denied # portmap needs to be running on both local and remote systems ps -ef|grep portmap # the nfs server needs to have nfs support in its kernel or must # support nfs via modules: # monolithic kernel cat /proc/filesystems | grep nfs # modular kernel lsmod | grep nfs # if you use /etc/hosts.{allow,deny} you must allow NFS and portmap # to do this, in /etc/hosts.allow you needs lines like this: # on nfs client, you need to allow the nfs server's # on nfs server, you need to allow the nfs client and/or # NFS portmap: 127.0.0.1 ... : allow rpc.mountd: 127.0.0.1 ... : allow # nfs server, in /etc/exports, you must export the filesystems you're # trying to nfs mount remotely on the nfs client # cat /etc/exports /exported 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0(rw,no_root_squash) # make sure nfs service is started on the nfs server RH 6.x: /etc/rc.d/init.d/nfslock start /etc/rc.d/init.d/nfs start Slackware: /etc/rc.d/rc.nfsd start -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Thu Jul 17 13:35:20 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NFS issues In-Reply-To: <20030717132238.A18863@thinkunix.net> References: <20030717125459.34a90d31.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030717132238.A18863@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <20030717133520.1cea3580.sfertch@real-time.com> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 13:22:39 -0500 Scot Jenkins wrote: > What to check when nfs doesn't work: > Thanks for the info Scott, everything is there for allowing it to run from what I've been able to see. rpc, nfsd, etc. One thing I forgot to mention was that it's not a Linux box I'm trying to do this on. Rather, it's an HP-UX 11.22 (v1.6) box. At first I thought it might have been an issue with the NFS version, whether it be tcp or udp, incompatibility with the older server that is sharing. But it's not the issue, I can take a brand new box freshly built as of this morning and mount the NFS share. The box I'm trying to do this on was built a couple of weeks ago. While this is an HP box, I thought there might have been some correlation with the NFS issues and Linux. Apologies on not specifying it's OS version. Was trying to get a few ideas on how to correct this issue. Oh, and while we're on the subject of Itanium, anyone running Linux on these? How's the speed comparatively to other processers? The class I went thru said that it's how the compilers work for Itaniums that make the difference. They mentioned that the GNU compiler can't take full advantage of the processor yet.... -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu Jul 17 13:44:18 2003 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail server Message-ID: I found some info about this on this page: http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~adesmet/linux_scalability.html It looks like you can do it, but it isn't just echoing 1 or 0 to a /proc/ filesystem location. I have not tested it. >>> JAustad@temgweb.com 07/17/03 11:54AM >>> > That's simply untrue, there are many IRC servers out there that handle > thousands of clients running on Linux, and have done so since > the 2.2.x > kernels. I've argued this before on this list. :) With FreeBSD, you just add -DFD_SETSIZE when you compile, and this works. However, with linux, you cannot do this. There is a hard limit of 1024 descriptors in FD_SET(). Apparently, you can't just change it and recompile as it will break a bunch of things. I would assume that these IRC servers are forking multiple copies or using poll() instead of select() (qmail uses select()). If you can get qmail running on linux with a conf-spawn of more than 509, I'd like to see it. I spent weeks trying to get this to work, I tried recompiling the kernel, using ulimit, changing things in /proc, and there is still a hard set limit for FD_SET of 1024. Anyway, if I remember correctly, it's qmail-queue that actually dies when you go over the limit. It communicates with every qmail-send process that's running, and has a file descriptor open for each one, rather than qmail-send opening the descriptor itself. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Thu Jul 17 12:43:57 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Another possible Installfest location In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030717174357.GB28492@fandre.com> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, Bruce Broecker wrote: > All the talk about meeting locations prompted me to talk to our facilities folks. I can host an Installfest (or actual meeting, if that's desirable) at Toro's facilities in Bloomington. Lots of parking and easy access to the highway (sounds like I'm selling a house). > > The only catch is, I have to take responsibility for you yahoos. > > Anyway, the space in question has room for 60-80 people easy, with tables and chairs. I've got three separate 20 amp circuits into the room, and can probably pull more from the cafeteria next door. There are at least 4 network jacks into the room, and I have plenty of switching equipment, as well as wireless, that I can provide. Finally, I have 3mbps to Onvoy and 3mbps to Sprint all backed by a transparent cache. > > Evenings or Saturdays are OK (Saturday is probably better), I just need a couple of weeks notice and to confirm the availability with facilities. > How about we have a regular meeting in August, and then shoot for an installfest the first Saturday in September? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Thu Jul 17 13:56:09 2003 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mount mirror References: <32786.66.103.174.84.1058460956.squirrel@lctn.org> <20030717181601.GB25653@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <3F16F149.2070105@structural-wood.com> Chad Walstrom wrote: > On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 11:55:56AM -0500, Raymond Norton wrote: > >>We have a MB with a fastrack raid controller that my redhat install >>could not pick up, so we added a 3ware card, and it worked perfect. >>Just for kicks I enabled the fastrack controller after the install and >>was able to mirror my apps drive. On boot up the mirrored drives show >>up as hde, and hdg. What would be the proper fstab syntax to mount >>this mirror? > > > Ahh, scary. The promise controller is definitely supported by the newer > kernels, but you'll want to make sure you don't have to boot off the > disks. You will never get Lilo or GRUB to see the mirror device as > bootable. > > I'm assuming that you're not using the Promise-supplied controllers, > otherwise you wouldn't see the IDE devices at all; they would be > presented as a single SCSI drive. What you're probably seeing is the > built in ATARAID support in the newer kernels (>= 2.4.18). The driver > does work, as I'm told, but I'd be cautious and only use data that is > easy to recover in case the mirror itself fails. > > The device you want is /dev/ataraid/d0[p][1-*], where * is a wildcard. > The "p" represents the partitions. > > bash# fdisk /dev/ataraid/d0 > # partition out as appropriate > > I would seriously consider using a journaling filesystem on a mirror > array, simply to improve write performance. > > bash# mkfs.ext3 /dev/ataraid/d0p1 > bash# mount -t ext3 /dev/ataraid/d0p1 /mirror0 > > Good luck! > > P.S. The O'Reilly book on Linux RAID is an excellent source of > information! > I must be misunderstanding something Chad said about not booting from the RAID disk. In the general case I've not had any trouble booting from either MYLEX SCSI RAID arrays or 3ware RAID arrays. You just need to have the correct modules included in the initial ramdisk. Sorry if I'm misaddressing the issue - I'm having a rocky sort of day today... Kent _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Thu Jul 17 14:27:04 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mount mirror References: <32786.66.103.174.84.1058460956.squirrel@lctn.org> <20030717181601.GB25653@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <006c01c34c99$6b1d85b0$6600a8c0@DELL2> Just to clarify: I'm successfully booting off of my 3ware mirror. In fstab this is mounted as a single device, and Everything seems to be fine. Once things were running I turned on my fastrak controller for my apps drive (which I am not booting from). It is this mirror I need to know how to mount. As the box is booting up the drives show up as hde, and hdg. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Thu Jul 17 14:45:48 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NFS issues In-Reply-To: <20030717125459.34a90d31.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20030717125459.34a90d31.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030717194548.GI14338@autonomous.tv> On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 12:54:59PM -0500, Shawn wrote: > I'm running into some NFS issues, and can't find a reason why. I've > done a couple of quick google searches, but the hits are huge (bad > search option). Not to mention the suggestions aren't relevant to > what I'm experiencing. > > I'm trying to NFS mount a directory off another server, it allows all > boxes to connect to it btw. I can get the directory to mount on > other systems that haven't mounted it previously without issue. The > system I'm having these problems on, I always get "permission denied" > errors. I've tried mounting other NFS shares off other boxes (Sun, > HP, IBM, Linux platforms), and get the same results with this system. > > All the searches say to ensure that the /etc/exports file is set > properly which it is. Again, other systems can mount no problem. > I've also tried stopping and restarting the NFS daemons, with no > success to the issues. I've also re-exported the directories from > the NFS server. > > Does anyone have any suggestions? I was having some problems getting my nfs mounts to work properly here at home just recently. I have a linux box doing the exports and my laptop running Mac OS X. I would get lots of sporatic data loss, and permision denied and access from insecure port errors. I solved my problem by changing the export line something like this: /path/to/export host1,host2(ro,no_root_squash,async) to /path/to/export host1,host2(insecure,ro,no_root_squash,async) By default the nfs server rejects requests to all ports > 1024 and the apple was sending its requests in the 49xxx range. I suppose you would see those errors in your logs if, in fact, that was the problem you are having. Do your logs have any useful information on why it is refusing the request? -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The limitation is something to do with FD_SET(), which I guess is different that ulimit type stuff. > -----Original Message----- > From: Troy.A Johnson [mailto:troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us] > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 1:44 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] mail server > > > I found some info about this on this page: > > http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~adesmet/linux_scalability.html > > It looks like you can do it, but it isn't just echoing > 1 or 0 to a /proc/ filesystem location. I have not tested > it. > > >>> JAustad@temgweb.com 07/17/03 11:54AM >>> > > That's simply untrue, there are many IRC servers out there > that handle > > thousands of clients running on Linux, and have done so since > > the 2.2.x > > kernels. > I've argued this before on this list. :) With FreeBSD, you just add > -DFD_SETSIZE when you compile, and this works. However, with > linux, you > cannot do this. There is a hard limit of 1024 descriptors in > FD_SET(). > Apparently, you can't just change it and recompile as it will break a > bunch > of things. I would assume that these IRC servers are forking multiple > copies or using poll() instead of select() (qmail uses select()). > If you can get qmail running on linux with a conf-spawn of > more than 509, > I'd like to see it. I spent weeks trying to get this to work, I tried > recompiling the kernel, using ulimit, changing things in > /proc, and there > is > still a hard set limit for FD_SET of 1024. Anyway, if I remember > correctly, > it's qmail-queue that actually dies when you go over the limit. It > communicates with every qmail-send process that's running, > and has a file > descriptor open for each one, rather than qmail-send opening the > descriptor > itself. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Thu Jul 17 14:59:14 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:25 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NFS issues In-Reply-To: <20030717194548.GI14338@autonomous.tv> References: <20030717125459.34a90d31.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030717194548.GI14338@autonomous.tv> Message-ID: <20030717145914.10a9df48.sfertch@real-time.com> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:45:48 -0500 Spencer Butler wrote: > I suppose you would see those errors in your logs if, in fact, that > was the problem you are having. Do your logs have any useful > information on why it is refusing the request? > Nothing noted in the logs... See my later post about the OS, as it's HP-UX One thing that's interesting on this... I created an NFS share from my linux desktop and shared it out, and the box that is having problems mounting any UX (Sun, AIX, HP) NFS shares can mount the Linux share... Go figure... Very strange.. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Jul 17 15:00:19 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail server In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE1C6@mail.temgweb.com> References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE1C6@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <20030717200018.GZ2047@techmonkeys.org> On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 11:54:09AM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > > That's simply untrue, there are many IRC servers out there that handle > > thousands of clients running on Linux, and have done so since > > the 2.2.x > > kernels. > > I've argued this before on this list. :) With FreeBSD, you just add > -DFD_SETSIZE when you compile, and this works. However, with linux, you > cannot do this. There is a hard limit of 1024 descriptors in FD_SET(). > Apparently, you can't just change it and recompile as it will break a bunch > of things. I would assume that these IRC servers are forking multiple > copies or using poll() instead of select() (qmail uses select()). > They are not multithreaded, and they do not fork (beyond when you initially start the server and it goes into daemon mode, and then the original copy exits) mhallacy 16177 9.2 1.3 28704 27316 ? S 14:49 0:24 ./ircd lsof -p 16177 |grep IPv4 | wc -l 1304 ulimit -a core file size (blocks, -c) 0 data seg size (kbytes, -d) unlimited file size (blocks, -f) unlimited max locked memory (kbytes, -l) unlimited max memory size (kbytes, -m) unlimited open files (-n) 8192 pipe size (512 bytes, -p) 8 stack size (kbytes, -s) 8192 cpu time (seconds, -t) unlimited max user processes (-u) 7168 virtual memory (kbytes, -v) unlimited This is the undernet ircd daemon, with 1300 copies of energy mech running (a simple irc bot) on the same system connecting to localhost. For what it's worth, they can use both poll() and select(), perhaps qmail needs to be *fixed* for use on high performance hardware instead of tossing more and more hardware at it =) -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Thu Jul 17 15:09:24 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mount mirror In-Reply-To: <006c01c34c99$6b1d85b0$6600a8c0@DELL2> References: <32786.66.103.174.84.1058460956.squirrel@lctn.org> <20030717181601.GB25653@skuld.wookimus.net> <006c01c34c99$6b1d85b0$6600a8c0@DELL2> Message-ID: <20030717200924.GC25653@skuld.wookimus.net> On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 02:27:04PM -0500, Raymond Norton wrote: > I'm successfully booting off of my 3ware mirror. In fstab this is > mounted as a single device, and Everything seems to be fine. Once > things were running I turned on my fastrak controller for my apps > drive (which I am not booting from). It is this mirror I need to know > how to mount. As the box is booting up the drives show up as hde, and > hdg. As I said before, do not boot off the Promise Mirror Array. You may well be able to boot off any other controller, but the Promise and Highpoint have given me no end of grief. Just take my word for it. Also, do not manipulate the mirror array with the drive hde and hdg. These are not intended to be acted upon directly and currently, there is no way to hide them from view. Only use the /dev/ataraid/d0 device to access the mirror. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Thu Jul 17 14:28:28 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NFS issues In-Reply-To: <20030717145914.10a9df48.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20030717125459.34a90d31.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030717194548.GI14338@autonomous.tv> <20030717145914.10a9df48.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030717192828.GE28492@fandre.com> What does: linuxbox# showmount -e linuxbox# rpcinfo -t nfs give you? (hpbox being your HP NFS server) On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, Shawn wrote: > On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:45:48 -0500 > Spencer Butler wrote: > > > I suppose you would see those errors in your logs if, in fact, that > > was the problem you are having. Do your logs have any useful > > information on why it is refusing the request? > > > > Nothing noted in the logs... See my later post about the OS, as it's HP-UX > > One thing that's interesting on this... I created an NFS share from my linux desktop and shared it out, and the box that is having problems mounting any UX (Sun, AIX, HP) NFS shares can mount the Linux share... Go figure... > > Very strange.. > > -- > Shawn > > The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Clay Fandre email: clay at fandre.com PGP Key ID: 0x50DBBB60 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bruce.broecker at toro.com Thu Jul 17 15:29:18 2003 From: bruce.broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Another possible Installfest location Message-ID: On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, Clay Fandre wrote: > On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, Bruce Broecker wrote: >> >> Evenings or Saturdays are OK (Saturday is probably better), I just need a couple >> of weeks notice and to confirm the availability with facilities. >> >How about we have a regular meeting in August, and then shoot for an >installfest the first Saturday in September? That would be OK with me. If there is enough interest in doing that, I'll contact facilities and set it up. Bruce Bruce Broecker Network Comm Supervisor The Toro Company _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Jul 17 15:30:55 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail server In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE1D1@mail.temgweb.com> References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE1D1@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <20030717203055.GA2047@techmonkeys.org> On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 03:16:49PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > I would chalk this up to a design problem with qmail. If they had used > poll() instead of select(), they wouldn't have had this problem. Wow. Qmail, not perfect. It boggles the mind. > Although, > I don't think poll() was available when qmail 1.03 was originally written > (wasn't it in 1999 or something?). For which OS? I'm pretty sure Solaris has had it for a very long time, FreeBSD's poll() man page is dated Sept 7, 1996 with a notation that it originally came from AT&T System V UNIX. As for Linux: AVAILABILITY The poll() systemcall was introduced in Linux 2.1.23. The poll() library call was introduced in libc 5.4.28 (and provides emulation using select if your kernel does not have a poll syscall). kernel 2.1.23 was released on 28-Jan-1997 libc 5.4.28 was released on 10-May-1997 -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Thu Jul 17 16:13:49 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NFS issues In-Reply-To: <20030717192828.GE28492@fandre.com> References: <20030717125459.34a90d31.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030717194548.GI14338@autonomous.tv> <20030717145914.10a9df48.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030717192828.GE28492@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20030717161349.2cc02009.sfertch@real-time.com> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:28:28 -0500 Clay Fandre wrote: > What does: > linuxbox# showmount -e > linuxbox# rpcinfo -t nfs > > give you? (hpbox being your HP NFS server) > Technically, it's the other way around. The HP box is the client, and an AIX box is the server. Here's the info pointing to the AIX box which it cannot mount: vulcan:/ # showmount -e mars export list for mars: /share (everyone) vulcan:/ # rpcinfo -t mars nfs program 100003 version 2 ready and waiting program 100003 version 3 ready and waiting Here it is to the linux (Slackware 9) box which it can mount the NFS share from: vulcan:/ # showmount -e fenlariss2 export list for fenlariss2: /data vulcan vulcan:/ # rpcinfo -t fenlariss2 nfs rpcinfo: RPC: Program not registered program 100003 is not available -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Thu Jul 17 16:14:46 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail server In-Reply-To: <20030717203055.GA2047@techmonkeys.org> References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE1D1@mail.temgweb.com> <20030717203055.GA2047@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <75c549b8f7123d47c592a20f453926f1@slushpupie.com> > > Although, I don't think poll() was available when qmail 1.03 was > > originally written (wasn't it in 1999 or something?). > > For which OS? I'm pretty sure Solaris has had it for a very long time, > FreeBSD's poll() man page is dated Sept 7, 1996 with a notation that it > originally came from AT&T System V UNIX. As for Linux: > > AVAILABILITY > The poll() systemcall was introduced in Linux 2.1.23. The > poll() library call was introduced in libc 5.4.28 (and > provides emulation using select if your kernel does not have a > poll syscall). > > kernel 2.1.23 was released on 28-Jan-1997 > > libc 5.4.28 was released on 10-May-1997 > qmail 0.70 beta was relased 24-Jan-1996 qmail 1.01 was relase 15-Apr-1997 - just before libc 5.4.28 was released qmail 1.03 was relased 15-Jun-1998 There was no official work done on qmail since then. Jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Thu Jul 17 16:04:04 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NFS issues In-Reply-To: <20030717161349.2cc02009.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20030717125459.34a90d31.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030717194548.GI14338@autonomous.tv> <20030717145914.10a9df48.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030717192828.GE28492@fandre.com> <20030717161349.2cc02009.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030717210403.GH28492@fandre.com> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, Shawn wrote: > On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:28:28 -0500 > Clay Fandre wrote: > > > What does: > > linuxbox# showmount -e > > linuxbox# rpcinfo -t nfs > > > > give you? (hpbox being your HP NFS server) > > > > Technically, it's the other way around. The HP box is the client, and an AIX box is the server. Here's the info pointing to the AIX box which it cannot mount: > > vulcan:/ # showmount -e mars > export list for mars: > /share (everyone) > > vulcan:/ # rpcinfo -t mars nfs > program 100003 version 2 ready and waiting > program 100003 version 3 ready and waiting Try different mount options and see if one of them works. vulcan# mount -F nfs -o vers=2 mars:/share /mnt vulcan# mount -F nfs -o vers=3 mars:/share /mnt vulcan# mount -F nfs -o proto=udp mars:/share /mnt vulcan# mount -F nfs -o proto=tcp mars:/share /mnt _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Thu Jul 17 19:13:13 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distros at installfest Message-ID: Okay, I'm pretty well on my way to getting the files for the local mirror for the installfest on Saturday. Here's what I have (or am getting/trying to get): Aurora 1.0: sparc Debian/Woody: i386 ppc sparc Debian/Sarge: i386 ppc Mandrake 9.1: i586 RedHat 7.3: i386 RedHat 8.0: i386 RedHat 9: i386 Slackware 9.0: i386 (well, the 1 iso, anyway) Yellow Dog 2.3: ppc Yellow Dog 3.0: ppc Hopefully I'll be able to get all that. :) Any other requests? Speak now, or... Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Thu Jul 17 20:22:16 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail server References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE1C6@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <002c01c34ccb$06436ce0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Austad, Jay writes: > If you can get qmail running on linux with a conf-spawn of more than > 509, I'd like to see it. I spent weeks trying to get this to work, I > tried recompiling the kernel, using ulimit, changing things in /proc, > and there is still a hard set limit for FD_SET of 1024. There is this patch, but it probably won't help with the FD_SET limit: http://qmail.org/big-concurrency.patch It should be easy to change select() to poll(). > Anyway, if I > remember correctly, it's qmail-queue that actually dies when you go > over the limit. It communicates with every qmail-send process that's > running, and has a file descriptor open for each one, rather than > qmail-send opening the descriptor itself. Only one qmail-send process runs. It communicates with qmail-rspawn, which spawns qmail-remote processes to do the deliveries. qmail-queue only reads from the process that invokes it (or whatever is connected to fd 0 and 1). -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Jul 17 20:58:48 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NFS issues In-Reply-To: <20030717145914.10a9df48.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20030717125459.34a90d31.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030717194548.GI14338@autonomous.tv> <20030717145914.10a9df48.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, Shawn wrote: > On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:45:48 -0500 > Spencer Butler wrote: > > > I suppose you would see those errors in your logs if, in fact, that > > was the problem you are having. Do your logs have any useful > > information on why it is refusing the request? > > > > Nothing noted in the logs... See my later post about the OS, as it's HP-UX > > One thing that's interesting on this... I created an NFS share from my linux desktop and shared it out, and the box that is having problems mounting any UX (Sun, AIX, HP) NFS shares can mount the Linux share... Go figure... does the forward and reverse dns match? Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From stevewabc at comcast.net Thu Jul 17 21:12:40 2003 From: stevewabc at comcast.net (Steven Williams) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Download? Message-ID: <1058494360.7677.15.camel@Steven> If your doing a download right now you will need to email me ASASP at stevewabc@comcast.net I found my download page on filemirror.com so I'm going to close it now... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From stevewabc at comcast.net Thu Jul 17 19:45:21 2003 From: stevewabc at comcast.net (Steven Williams) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: (TCLUG) Distros at installfest Message-ID: <1058489120.7677.9.camel@Steven> Jima I have a extra copy of libranet2.8 (100% Debian) which works for woody and sarge, how ever you set it up... E-mail me if you want it... wrote: > Okay, I'm pretty well on my way to getting the files for the local mirror >for the installfest on Saturday. Here's what I have (or am getting/trying >to get): > >Aurora 1.0: sparc >Debian/Woody: i386 ppc sparc >Debian/Sarge: i386 ppc >Mandrake 9.1: i586 >RedHat 7.3: i386 >RedHat 8.0: i386 >RedHat 9: i386 >Slackware 9.0: i386 (well, the 1 iso, anyway) >Yellow Dog 2.3: ppc >Yellow Dog 3.0: ppc > > Hopefully I'll be able to get all that. :) > Any other requests? Speak now, or... > > Jima > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Thu Jul 17 21:56:55 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:26 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mail server References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE1D1@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <014701c34cd8$3fa15350$0201a8c0@brinstar> Austad, Jay writes: > I would chalk this up to a design problem with qmail. If they had > used poll() instead of select(), they wouldn't have had this problem. > Although, I don't think poll() was available when qmail 1.03 was > originally written (wasn't it in 1999 or something?). It would be more correct to say ``design decision''. By ``they'', you mean Dan Bernstein, the only author of qmail. qmail was written in 1995 or earlier. Most likely, poll(2) had portability problems at that time. Also, at the time, a maximum remote concurrency of 255 was quite reasonable. The internet was run over copper. Fiber and high speed connections didn't come until at least two years later. Even now, very few sites have enough mail and bandwidth to warrant a higher limit. Note that chkspawn detects FD_SET() limits and does not allow you to set conf-spawn to a value that is too high. Most likely, the potential for crashing due to FD_SET() limits is the reason for the compile time conf-spawn limit. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From peter-clark at bethel.edu Thu Jul 17 21:49:05 2003 From: peter-clark at bethel.edu (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distros at installfest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200307172149.05625.peter-clark@bethel.edu> On Thursday 17 July 2003 07:13 pm, Jima wrote: > Debian/Woody: i386 ppc sparc > Debian/Sarge: i386 ppc Any chance of mirroring Sid as well? I'm stuck behind a modem, so I was looking forward to a little dist-upgrade action; if that's not the case, then maybe I'll wait for the next Installfest with more bandwidth, so as not to cause any unpleasantries... :) :Peter -- Oh what a tangled web they weave who try a new word to conceive! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel at joelschneider.net Thu Jul 17 22:39:21 2003 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SNMP monitors... In-Reply-To: ; from mjn@umn.edu on Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 09:30:07AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20030717223921.A18793@joelschneider.net> On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 09:30:07AM -0500, mjn wrote: > I've been asked to find some software for SNMP monitoring here at work. I remember there was a presentation on OpenNMS at a TCLUG meeting some time ago. Can't say I've used it myself, but it could be worth a look. http://opennms.org/ -- Joel Schneider joel@joelschneider.net Linux makes computing fun again. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Jul 18 00:10:43 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distros at installfest In-Reply-To: <200307172149.05625.peter-clark@bethel.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, Peter Clark wrote: > Any chance of mirroring Sid as well? I'm stuck behind a modem, so I was > looking forward to a little dist-upgrade action; if that's not the case, then > maybe I'll wait for the next Installfest with more bandwidth, so as not to > cause any unpleasantries... :) I'll see what I can do. Probably can. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewbaka at toughguy.net Fri Jul 18 07:25:32 2003 From: chewbaka at toughguy.net (B_o_B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Programming classes in the Twin Cities Message-ID: <19836711448.20030718072532@toughguy.net> Friday, July 18, 2003 @ 7:23:03 AM Central Standard Time Hi All. I am somewhat new to the Twin Cities area. I am interested in taking a few programming classes. Can anyone recommend the name of some schools or tech colleges that might offer programming classes. Many Thanks & Kind Regards, Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars West Longitude 90' 15' 43" http://b-o-b.homelinux.com mailto:chewbaka@toughguy.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Fri Jul 18 07:31:26 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] NFS issues In-Reply-To: References: <20030717125459.34a90d31.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030717194548.GI14338@autonomous.tv> <20030717145914.10a9df48.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030718073126.66e029bf.sfertch@real-time.com> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 20:58:48 -0500 (CDT) Munir Nassar wrote: > does the forward and reverse dns match? > Forward yes, reverse not until this morning (wasn't an entry). We got it to mount by putting an entry in the /etc/hosts file of the system that was the server of the share. Had to wait until the administers of DNS got in this morning. It wasn't a critical issue, but frustrating. Thanks for the help everyone. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From LCLEMENS at mn.rr.com Fri Jul 18 08:55:09 2003 From: LCLEMENS at mn.rr.com (Lawrence Clemens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distros at installfest References: Message-ID: <000e01c34d34$33c6a380$71fea8c0@computer> Any chance for LibraNet 2.8? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jima" To: Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 7:13 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Distros at installfest > Okay, I'm pretty well on my way to getting the files for the local mirror > for the installfest on Saturday. Here's what I have (or am getting/trying > to get): > > Aurora 1.0: sparc > Debian/Woody: i386 ppc sparc > Debian/Sarge: i386 ppc > Mandrake 9.1: i586 > RedHat 7.3: i386 > RedHat 8.0: i386 > RedHat 9: i386 > Slackware 9.0: i386 (well, the 1 iso, anyway) > Yellow Dog 2.3: ppc > Yellow Dog 3.0: ppc > > Hopefully I'll be able to get all that. :) > Any other requests? Speak now, or... > > Jima > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Fri Jul 18 09:03:18 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distros at installfest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, Jima wrote: > Okay, I'm pretty well on my way to getting the files for the local > mirror for the installfest on Saturday. Here's what I have (or am > getting/trying to get): > > Aurora 1.0: sparc > Debian/Woody: i386 ppc sparc > Debian/Sarge: i386 ppc > Mandrake 9.1: i586 > RedHat 7.3: i386 > RedHat 8.0: i386 > RedHat 9: i386 > Slackware 9.0: i386 (well, the 1 iso, anyway) > Yellow Dog 2.3: ppc > Yellow Dog 3.0: ppc > > Hopefully I'll be able to get all that. :) Any other requests? Speak > now, or... If you run out of space, you could drop YDL 2.3.. I can't see anyone installing the older version. Also may want to grab Debian/PPC to give mac users a good alternative to a redhat-ish distro.. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tsinks at isd.net Fri Jul 18 09:48:53 2003 From: tsinks at isd.net (Tim Sinks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Programming classes in the Twin Cities References: <19836711448.20030718072532@toughguy.net> Message-ID: <003f01c34d3b$b933e120$0300000a@net.tsinks> Depending on where in TC you live, there are a number of schools. Check out the following sites - the first is a good starting point along with the mnscu - cost, lab, flexibility, help are the most important pieces. www.find-computer-schools.com www.mnscu.edu www.benchmarklearning.com www.capella.edu www.executrain-mn.com www.inverhills.mnscu.edu www.premiertraining.com/MAINPAGE.htm www.cce.umn.edu Thanks, Tim Sinks ----- Original Message ----- From: "B_o_B" To: "Twin Cities LUG" Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 7:25 AM Subject: [TCLUG] Programming classes in the Twin Cities > Friday, July 18, 2003 @ 7:23:03 AM Central Standard Time > > Hi All. I am somewhat new to the Twin Cities area. I am interested > in taking a few programming classes. Can anyone recommend the name of > some schools or tech colleges that might offer programming classes. > > Many Thanks & Kind Regards, > > Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars > West Longitude 90' 15' 43" > http://b-o-b.homelinux.com > mailto:chewbaka@toughguy.net > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Fri Jul 18 10:05:40 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Programming classes in the Twin Cities References: <19836711448.20030718072532@toughguy.net> Message-ID: <000601c34d3e$0d9c6410$0201a8c0@brinstar> B_o_B writes: > Hi All. I am somewhat new to the Twin Cities area. I am interested > in taking a few programming classes. Can anyone recommend the name of > some schools or tech colleges that might offer programming classes. If you want to learn how to program, you should read books and practice on your own. You can't expect to become a good programming simply by taking a few classes. By taking a class, you can learn from the instructor's experience and from the projects you have to do. If the instructor is good, you may learn a lot. If they aren't, then you would be better off spending your money on books. No one I know that is a good programmer learned how from school. In short, you can learn a lot from classes, but not everything. If you have never programmed before and want a place to start, I suggest starting with Python. It is a simple and clean language and there are some very good resources for it. This is a good online book about it: http://www.ibiblio.org/obp/thinkCSpy/ -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Fri Jul 18 10:12:00 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Programming classes in the Twin Cities In-Reply-To: <19836711448.20030718072532@toughguy.net> Message-ID: AFAIK, I think you can sit in on lectures at the U - I had a friend that would accompany us to our Java classes just so he could learn Java. Now, he could only get the lecture - he didn't go to any of the labs (not having an ITLabs account and all...) I think the idea is, some of these classes are always full (especially at the lower CSci levels). So there were always kids that were put on the waiting list, and would come to the lectures in the hope that people would start dropping the class after a few weeks, and they could get in and be current with the material. On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, B_o_B wrote: > Friday, July 18, 2003 @ 7:23:03 AM Central Standard Time > > Hi All. I am somewhat new to the Twin Cities area. I am interested > in taking a few programming classes. Can anyone recommend the name of > some schools or tech colleges that might offer programming classes. > > Many Thanks & Kind Regards, > > Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars > West Longitude 90' 15' 43" > http://b-o-b.homelinux.com > mailto:chewbaka@toughguy.net > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Jul 18 10:24:19 2003 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GRUB Geometry error Message-ID: I recently moved a Redhat install from one machine to another with (apparently) a different BIOS translation of the hard disk. I now get a "Grub Geom Error" on bootup. I assume the boot block isn't on the sector it wants it to be, so Grub is failing to load correctly. What's the easiest way to fix this? -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Fri Jul 18 10:36:34 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Programming classes in the Twin Cities Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE1D9@mail.temgweb.com> The classes at the U are so big, that you could probably sit in on any classes you wanted to. :) If you're looking for something to put on a resume, classes are good. But I tend to learn better just getting a book and studying on my own. If you have a particular project that you're interested in building, use that to learn on your own instead. You'll likely learn more than you would in a class, and you'll probably get more hands on experience. > -----Original Message----- > From: Adam Maloney [mailto:adamm@sihope.com] > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 10:12 AM > To: Twin Cities LUG > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Programming classes in the Twin Cities > > > AFAIK, I think you can sit in on lectures at the U - I had a > friend that > would accompany us to our Java classes just so he could learn > Java. Now, > he could only get the lecture - he didn't go to any of the labs (not > having an ITLabs account and all...) > > I think the idea is, some of these classes are always full > (especially at > the lower CSci levels). So there were always kids that were > put on the > waiting list, and would come to the lectures in the hope that > people would > start dropping the class after a few weeks, and they could > get in and be > current with the material. > > On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, B_o_B wrote: > > > Friday, July 18, 2003 @ 7:23:03 AM Central Standard Time > > > > Hi All. I am somewhat new to the Twin Cities area. I am interested > > in taking a few programming classes. Can anyone recommend > the name of > > some schools or tech colleges that might offer programming classes. > > > > Many Thanks & Kind Regards, > > > > Robert (aka B_o_B) David Felix De Mars > > West Longitude 90' 15' 43" > > http://b-o-b.homelinux.com > > mailto:chewbaka@toughguy.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Jul 18 10:36:44 2003 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Programming classes in the Twin Cities In-Reply-To: <19836711448.20030718072532@toughguy.net> References: <19836711448.20030718072532@toughguy.net> Message-ID: <20030718153644.GA381@skuld.wookimus.net> On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 07:25:32AM -0500, B_o_B wrote: > Hi All. I am somewhat new to the Twin Cities area. I am interested > in taking a few programming classes. Hmmm... I would agree with some of the other members on the list that programming classes aren't always that useful, but it highly depends upon what your current knowledge base is and how well you learn on your own. I have always thought it would be an interesting exercise to have a local programming special interest group get together to discuss projects that individuals might be working on. Compile your list of questions as you're working on your pet project and bounce the ideas off people in-person. The best way to learn how to code is find a project that interests you and participate. If there's a program that hasn't been written, or has been written poorly, roll up your sleeves and dive in. It's generally better to start coding and use books or instructors as guide. Computer programming is basically scripted algebra. If you're OK with algebra, you should be OK with programming. There are a ton of good books out there for just about any programming language you want to try. Python, perl, ruby, java, C, C++ (leave this one for last). > Can anyone recommend the name of some schools or tech colleges that > might offer programming classes. Dakota Tech has some useful courses once and a while. I would agree with someone who suggested sitting in on classes at the U (without notifying anyone until you get kicked out). An attentive professor may notice that you never show up to the tests, but not always. You could get away with this in entry level CS classes, probably. I'd be careful not to sign up for a Microsoft-centric course or school, lest you be sucked over to the dark-side. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, --The Wandering Dru aka Andy Moore _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Fri Jul 18 10:46:32 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:27 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IP addresses in use on a network References: <3F18145A.4010109@loneoakmn.com> Message-ID: <001801c34d43$c2b51220$0201a8c0@brinstar> Andy Moore writes: > Could one of you kind souls remind me of the command used to find out > what IP addresses are being used on a netblock? It's been a while > since I've had to use it and I just can't seem to pull the info from > the depths of my cranium. ifconfig? -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Fri Jul 18 09:47:29 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IP addresses in use on a network In-Reply-To: <3F18145A.4010109@loneoakmn.com> References: <3F18145A.4010109@loneoakmn.com> Message-ID: <20030718144729.GF32367@fandre.com> nmap? fping? ping in a shell loop? On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, Andy Moore wrote: > My brain is not working right this morning. > > Could one of you kind souls remind me of the command used to find out > what IP addresses are being used on a netblock? It's been a while since > I've had to use it and I just can't seem to pull the info from the > depths of my cranium. > > Thanks, > > --The Wandering Dru > aka Andy Moore _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amoore at loneoakmn.com Fri Jul 18 10:47:59 2003 From: amoore at loneoakmn.com (Andy Moore) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distros at installfest In-Reply-To: <000e01c34d34$33c6a380$71fea8c0@computer> References: <000e01c34d34$33c6a380$71fea8c0@computer> Message-ID: <3F1816AF.7060309@loneoakmn.com> Lawrence Clemens wrote: >Any chance for LibraNet 2.8? > > I'm bringing my CDs of LN2.8 if anybody wants to copy them. I won't have a burner there but somebody else is bound to have one. It's 2 CDs if you were going to supply your own discs. -- The Wandering Dru aka Andy Moore _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Jul 18 10:48:48 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distros at installfest In-Reply-To: <000e01c34d34$33c6a380$71fea8c0@computer> Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, Lawrence Clemens wrote: > Any chance for LibraNet 2.8? Not really. A) I don't "get" the license issues about it (IANAL, so I'm not stepping into muddy waters) and B) it's not particularly likely I could get a copy of it by tomorrow. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Jul 18 10:55:22 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distros at installfest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, Nate Carlson wrote: > If you run out of space, you could drop YDL 2.3.. I can't see anyone > installing the older version. Also may want to grab Debian/PPC to give mac > users a good alternative to a redhat-ish distro.. :) Nate? Did you read my post *at all*? > On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, Jima wrote: > > Debian/Woody: i386 ppc sparc > > Debian/Sarge: i386 ppc Woody and Sarge for PPC are already downloaded. Silly Nate... Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amoore at loneoakmn.com Fri Jul 18 10:58:44 2003 From: amoore at loneoakmn.com (Andy Moore) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IP addresses in use on a network In-Reply-To: <20030718144729.GF32367@fandre.com> References: <3F18145A.4010109@loneoakmn.com> <20030718144729.GF32367@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3F181934.2070402@loneoakmn.com> Clay Fandre wrote: >nmap? fping? ping in a shell loop? > > > Thanks Clay, that's the jog I needed. nmap -sP 192.168.1.0/24 -- The Wandering Dru aka Andy Moore _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Jul 18 11:02:48 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distros at installfest In-Reply-To: <3F1816AF.7060309@loneoakmn.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, Andy Moore wrote: > I'm bringing my CDs of LN2.8 if anybody wants to copy them. I won't > have a burner there but somebody else is bound to have one. It's 2 CDs > if you were going to supply your own discs. Nice. :) I'm still not touching the legal ramifications. :P Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amoore at loneoakmn.com Fri Jul 18 11:24:49 2003 From: amoore at loneoakmn.com (Andy Moore) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distros at installfest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F181F51.5040705@loneoakmn.com> Jima wrote: >On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, Andy Moore wrote: > > >>I'm bringing my CDs of LN2.8 if anybody wants to copy them. I won't >>have a burner there but somebody else is bound to have one. It's 2 CDs >>if you were going to supply your own discs. >> >> > > Nice. :) > I'm still not touching the legal ramifications. :P > > Jima > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > I tried to find something that said I couldn't do it on both the CDs and their website. The only licensing stuff I could find referred to a lack of warranty and pointed to the GPL. I'll keep looking but as far as I can tell (IANAL), I'm ok. -- The Wandering Dru aka Andy Moore _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben.neigebauer at compellent.com Fri Jul 18 10:39:07 2003 From: ben.neigebauer at compellent.com (Neigebauer, Ben) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Programming classes in the Twin Cities Message-ID: <3DE074F8A2577948899DD010B9FFD6FF5A701B@C1MAIL1.agiliti.net> I think you just can't make a blanket statement "Read a book and learn on your own". This just doesn't work for anyone with a learning disability, attention deficit disorder or anything of the like. Most classes also involve a group project. Figuring out how to work in a group is essential for any major software engineering project. -----Original Message----- From: David Phillips [mailto:david@acz.org] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 10:06 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Programming classes in the Twin Cities B_o_B writes: > Hi All. I am somewhat new to the Twin Cities area. I am interested > in taking a few programming classes. Can anyone recommend the name of > some schools or tech colleges that might offer programming classes. If you want to learn how to program, you should read books and practice on your own. You can't expect to become a good programming simply by taking a few classes. By taking a class, you can learn from the instructor's experience and from the projects you have to do. If the instructor is good, you may learn a lot. If they aren't, then you would be better off spending your money on books. No one I know that is a good programmer learned how from school. In short, you can learn a lot from classes, but not everything. If you have never programmed before and want a place to start, I suggest starting with Python. It is a simple and clean language and there are some very good resources for it. This is a good online book about it: http://www.ibiblio.org/obp/thinkCSpy/ -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben.neigebauer at compellent.com Fri Jul 18 10:52:44 2003 From: ben.neigebauer at compellent.com (Neigebauer, Ben) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distros at installfest Message-ID: <3DE074F8A2577948899DD010B9FFD6FF90A3CC@C1MAIL1.agiliti.net> What distro would people use for an old Mac 5400 with 120 mhz and 48 MB Ram? Benjamin E. Neigebauer Software Engineer Compellent Technologies Eden Prairie, MN 55344 -----Original Message----- From: Jima [mailto:jima@beer.tclug.org] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 10:49 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Distros at installfest On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, Lawrence Clemens wrote: > Any chance for LibraNet 2.8? Not really. A) I don't "get" the license issues about it (IANAL, so I'm not stepping into muddy waters) and B) it's not particularly likely I could get a copy of it by tomorrow. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amoore at loneoakmn.com Fri Jul 18 11:43:19 2003 From: amoore at loneoakmn.com (Andy Moore) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distros at installfest In-Reply-To: <3F181F51.5040705@loneoakmn.com> References: <3F181F51.5040705@loneoakmn.com> Message-ID: <3F1823A7.8020100@loneoakmn.com> Andy Moore wrote: > Jima wrote: > >> On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, Andy Moore wrote: >> >> >>> I'm bringing my CDs of LN2.8 if anybody wants to copy them. I won't >>> have a burner there but somebody else is bound to have one. It's 2 >>> CDs if you were going to supply your own discs. >>> >> >> >> Nice. :) >> I'm still not touching the legal ramifications. :P >> >> Jima >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> > I tried to find something that said I couldn't do it on both the CDs > and their website. The only licensing stuff I could find referred to > a lack of warranty and pointed to the GPL. > > I'll keep looking but as far as I can tell (IANAL), I'm ok. > > -- > The Wandering Dru > aka Andy Moore > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > OK, from what I can tell, the problem comes from the OTHER software that is packaged with the distro eg. Acrobat, Netscape,Turboprint, etc. These have proprietary/BSD/Artistic licenses. Libranet aquired permission to distribute these things with the distro but can't assign that permission to other parties. So technically, to be perfectly legal, I would have to go in and remove all that crap and then repackage the distro if I wanted to "legally" make copies. They don't have a problem with installing on multiple computers tho. I could see it working, we'd just have to edit the sources list to point to the debian repositories/LN updates only. --Dru _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rware at interplastic.com Fri Jul 18 11:49:46 2003 From: rware at interplastic.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Programming classes in the Twin Cities Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF6237C42@ipserver2.interplastic.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Neigebauer, Ben [mailto:ben.neigebauer@compellent.com] > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 10:39 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Programming classes in the Twin Cities > > > I think you just can't make a blanket statement "Read a book and learn > on your own". This just doesn't work for anyone with a learning > disability, attention deficit disorder or anything of the like. There is a new book out that breaks the mold of typical learn to program tomes. http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/hfjava/index.html be sure to check out the pdf > > Most classes also involve a group project. Figuring out how > to work in a > group is essential for any major software engineering project. True. > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Phillips [mailto:david@acz.org] > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 10:06 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Programming classes in the Twin Cities > > B_o_B writes: > > Hi All. I am somewhat new to the Twin Cities area. I am interested > > in taking a few programming classes. Can anyone recommend > the name of > > some schools or tech colleges that might offer programming classes. > > If you want to learn how to program, you should read books > and practice > on > your own. You can't expect to become a good programming simply by > taking a > few classes. By taking a class, you can learn from the instructor's > experience and from the projects you have to do. If the instructor is > good, > you may learn a lot. If they aren't, then you would be better off > spending > your money on books. No one I know that is a good programmer learned > how > from school. > > In short, you can learn a lot from classes, but not everything. > > If you have never programmed before and want a place to > start, I suggest > starting with Python. It is a simple and clean language and there are > some > very good resources for it. This is a good online book about it: > > http://www.ibiblio.org/obp/thinkCSpy/ > > -- > David Phillips > http://david.acz.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Jul 18 12:20:54 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distros at installfest In-Reply-To: <3DE074F8A2577948899DD010B9FFD6FF90A3CC@C1MAIL1.agiliti.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, Neigebauer, Ben wrote: > What distro would people use for an old Mac 5400 with 120 mhz and 48 MB > Ram? Oooo, that'd be one of the one-piece systems, wouldn't it? Nice little machines. (Anyone remember THAT argument? ;) What would you like to put on it? We ought to have Debian, Yellow Dog, and -- this just in -- Mandrake. (I hadn't realized they'd released 9.1 for PPC, too. Impressive.) I can't speak for Mandrake, but the 5400 appears to be supported on Debian & YDL. Probably is under Mandrake, I'm just not seeing an official page stating as much. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Fri Jul 18 12:34:50 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] defrag linux Message-ID: <20030718173450.GA19372@autonomous.tv> I have an HDD that is in need of a defrag. I know the ext2 filesytem is not 'suppose' to need to be defragged, but mine does. I think using bittorrent is a part of the cause. Bittorrent downloads 'hunks' of the file at a time, and in no certain order. I do not claim to know the exact reasoning behind my assumption (that bittorrent is the cause of my fragmentation) but I do think it is the source. I would very much like to remedy the situation. Mike Hicks suggested that simply coping the files back and forth my take care of it. While that does sound like a plausable remedy, I don't really have the disk space to do that. I have read the man page for defrag and am wondering if this is safe to do? I do not intend to use windows defrag to solve this problem (for more reasons than 'its windows'). Has anyone had any experience siumular to these? Any ideas on the safest way to solve this problem? -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030718/9b473e2e/attachment.pgp From tanner at real-time.com Fri Jul 18 12:55:45 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:28 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mindi-boot and /dev/fd0 problems? Message-ID: <200307181255.45124@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> # dd if=mindi-boot.1722.img of=/dev/fd0u1722 dd: writing to `/dev/fd0u1722': Input/output error 19+0 records in 18+0 records out Any ideas? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Fri Jul 18 12:58:06 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mindi-boot and /dev/fd0 problems? In-Reply-To: <200307181255.45124@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> References: <200307181255.45124@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20030718175806.GD19372@autonomous.tv> On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 12:55:45PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: ># dd if=mindi-boot.1722.img of=/dev/fd0u1722 >dd: writing to `/dev/fd0u1722': Input/output error >19+0 records in >18+0 records out > >Any ideas? maybe try this first. # fdformat /dev/fd0u1722 -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Try a new one? -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Fri Jul 18 13:05:26 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mindi-boot and /dev/fd0 problems? In-Reply-To: <20030718175806.GD19372@autonomous.tv> References: <200307181255.45124@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> <20030718175806.GD19372@autonomous.tv> Message-ID: <200307181305.26310@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> On Friday 18 July 2003 12:58 pm, Spencer Butler wrote: > On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 12:55:45PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > ># dd if=mindi-boot.1722.img of=/dev/fd0u1722 > >dd: writing to `/dev/fd0u1722': Input/output error > >19+0 records in > >18+0 records out > > > >Any ideas? > > maybe try this first. > # fdformat /dev/fd0u1722 Tried this, mkdosfs, mke2fs (with the right parms) still got a problem. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Fri Jul 18 13:05:48 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mindi-boot and /dev/fd0 problems? In-Reply-To: <20030718180211.GB381@skuld.wookimus.net> References: <200307181255.45124@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> <20030718180211.GB381@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <200307181305.48793@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> On Friday 18 July 2003 01:02 pm, Chad Walstrom wrote: > On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 12:55:45PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > # dd if=mindi-boot.1722.img of=/dev/fd0u1722 > > dd: writing to `/dev/fd0u1722': Input/output error > > 19+0 records in > > 18+0 records out > > Throw the floppy away? Try a new one? 4 new floppies out of the box. All 4 are bad? :-) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Jul 18 13:10:02 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mindi-boot and /dev/fd0 problems? In-Reply-To: <200307181305.48793@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, Bob Tanner wrote: > On Friday 18 July 2003 01:02 pm, Chad Walstrom wrote: > > Throw the floppy away? Try a new one? > > 4 new floppies out of the box. All 4 are bad? :-) Are you sure the drive is capable of writing 1722K to a floppy? Some aren't. Try a different floppy drive? Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Fri Jul 18 13:19:08 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distros at installfest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, Jima wrote: > Nate? Did you read my post *at all*? erm, i was grepping for powerpc in my brain, not ppc, ok? :) /me kicks himself -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dave.worden at veritas.com Fri Jul 18 13:39:33 2003 From: dave.worden at veritas.com (Dave Worden) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] defrag linux Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Spencer Butler [mailto:spencer@autonomous.tv] > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 12:35 PM > To: TClug > Subject: [TCLUG] defrag linux > > > I have an HDD that is in need of a defrag. I know the ext2 > filesytem is > not 'suppose' to need to be defragged, but mine does. I think using > bittorrent is a part of the cause. Bittorrent downloads > 'hunks' of the > file at a time, and in no certain order. I do not claim to know the > exact reasoning behind my assumption (that bittorrent is the > cause of my > fragmentation) but I do think it is the source. > > I would very much like to remedy the situation. Mike Hicks suggested > that simply coping the files back and forth my take care of it. While > that does sound like a plausable remedy, I don't really have the disk > space to do that. > > I have read the man page for defrag and am wondering if this > is safe to > do? I do not intend to use windows defrag to solve this problem (for > more reasons than 'its windows'). > > Has anyone had any experience siumular to these? Any ideas on the > safest way to solve this problem? > > -- > Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer > http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv > Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dave.worden at veritas.com Fri Jul 18 13:40:43 2003 From: dave.worden at veritas.com (Dave Worden) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] defrag linux Message-ID: Er...hit send on accident. Anyway, if you have a tape device, dump/restore should defrag a *nix filesystem. Regards, --djw > -----Original Message----- > From: Spencer Butler [mailto:spencer@autonomous.tv] > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 12:35 PM > To: TClug > Subject: [TCLUG] defrag linux > > > I have an HDD that is in need of a defrag. I know the ext2 > filesytem is > not 'suppose' to need to be defragged, but mine does. I think using > bittorrent is a part of the cause. Bittorrent downloads > 'hunks' of the > file at a time, and in no certain order. I do not claim to know the > exact reasoning behind my assumption (that bittorrent is the > cause of my > fragmentation) but I do think it is the source. > > I would very much like to remedy the situation. Mike Hicks suggested > that simply coping the files back and forth my take care of it. While > that does sound like a plausable remedy, I don't really have the disk > space to do that. > > I have read the man page for defrag and am wondering if this > is safe to > do? I do not intend to use windows defrag to solve this problem (for > more reasons than 'its windows'). > > Has anyone had any experience siumular to these? Any ideas on the > safest way to solve this problem? > > -- > Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer > http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv > Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot at thinkunix.net Fri Jul 18 13:57:32 2003 From: scot at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Programming classes in the Twin Cities In-Reply-To: <19836711448.20030718072532@toughguy.net>; from chewbaka@toughguy.net on Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 07:25:32AM -0500 References: <19836711448.20030718072532@toughguy.net> Message-ID: <20030718135732.A13192@thinkunix.net> B_o_B wrote: > Friday, July 18, 2003 @ 7:23:03 AM Central Standard Time > > Hi All. I am somewhat new to the Twin Cities area. I am interested > in taking a few programming classes. Can anyone recommend the name of > some schools or tech colleges that might offer programming classes. Hennepin Tech has some good classes that were affordable; they even have linux courses. I took one years ago and it was a good value: http://www.htc.mnscu.edu/ also the Science Museum of MN has some relatively cheap courses too; some are even free, although probably beyond most anyone's skill set on this list: http://comped.smm.org/ -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Fri Jul 18 14:46:45 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Programming classes in the Twin Cities In-Reply-To: <003f01c34d3b$b933e120$0300000a@net.tsinks>; from tsinks@isd.net on Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 09:48:53AM -0500 References: <19836711448.20030718072532@toughguy.net> <003f01c34d3b$b933e120$0300000a@net.tsinks> Message-ID: <20030718144645.B13192@thinkunix.net> Tim Sinks wrote: > www.find-computer-schools.com > www.mnscu.edu > www.benchmarklearning.com > www.capella.edu > www.executrain-mn.com > www.inverhills.mnscu.edu > www.premiertraining.com/MAINPAGE.htm > www.cce.umn.edu I've added Tim's list of schools to http://thinkunix.net/careers/ page. If you're looking for UNIX work I have a lot of job sites listed there too. Email if you think of other good stuff to add there. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Fri Jul 18 14:51:53 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] defrag linux Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE1E3@mail.temgweb.com> Bittorrent shouldn't have had anything to do with it. It allocates the *entire* file when starting the download. Even though it grabs the files in pieces, it just fills in the allocated space in the file. I saw an ext2 defrag util awhile back, but it stated that it was definitely beta and it would probably hose your drive. How do you know you need a defrag? > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Worden [mailto:dave.worden@veritas.com] > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 1:41 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] defrag linux > > > Er...hit send on accident. > Anyway, if you have a tape device, dump/restore should defrag a *nix > filesystem. > Regards, > --djw > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Spencer Butler [mailto:spencer@autonomous.tv] > > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 12:35 PM > > To: TClug > > Subject: [TCLUG] defrag linux > > > > > > I have an HDD that is in need of a defrag. I know the ext2 > > filesytem is > > not 'suppose' to need to be defragged, but mine does. I think using > > bittorrent is a part of the cause. Bittorrent downloads > > 'hunks' of the > > file at a time, and in no certain order. I do not claim to know the > > exact reasoning behind my assumption (that bittorrent is the > > cause of my > > fragmentation) but I do think it is the source. > > > > I would very much like to remedy the situation. Mike Hicks > suggested > > that simply coping the files back and forth my take care of > it. While > > that does sound like a plausable remedy, I don't really > have the disk > > space to do that. > > > > I have read the man page for defrag and am wondering if this > > is safe to > > do? I do not intend to use windows defrag to solve this > problem (for > > more reasons than 'its windows'). > > > > Has anyone had any experience siumular to these? Any ideas on the > > safest way to solve this problem? > > > > -- > > Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer > > http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv > > Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rware at interplastic.com Fri Jul 18 14:49:42 2003 From: rware at interplastic.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Programming classes in the Twin Cities Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF6237C45@ipserver2.interplastic.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Scot Jenkins [mailto:scot+tcluggen@thinkunix.net] > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 2:47 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Programming classes in the Twin Cities > > > Tim Sinks wrote: > > www.find-computer-schools.com > > www.mnscu.edu > > www.benchmarklearning.com > > www.capella.edu > > www.executrain-mn.com > > www.inverhills.mnscu.edu > > www.premiertraining.com/MAINPAGE.htm > > www.cce.umn.edu > > I've added Tim's list of schools to > http://thinkunix.net/careers/ page. > If you're looking for UNIX work I have a lot of job sites listed there > too. Email if you think of other good stuff to add there. > -- > scot > Scot, I've heard good things about AISG http://www.aisg.com/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Fri Jul 18 15:06:33 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Programming classes in the Twin Cities In-Reply-To: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF6237C45@ipserver2.interplastic.com>; from rware@interplastic.com on Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 02:49:42PM -0500 References: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF6237C45@ipserver2.interplastic.com> Message-ID: <20030718150633.A108@thinkunix.net> Ryan Ware wrote: > Scot, I've heard good things about AISG > http://www.aisg.com/ added. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Jul 18 15:15:25 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IP addresses in use on a network In-Reply-To: <20030718144729.GF32367@fandre.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, Clay Fandre wrote: > nmap? fping? ping in a shell loop? how about ping -b ? all hosts in that subnet should reply. -- Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Jul 18 15:19:52 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mindi-boot and /dev/fd0 problems? In-Reply-To: <200307181255.45124@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, Bob Tanner wrote: > # dd if=mindi-boot.1722.img of=/dev/fd0u1722 > dd: writing to `/dev/fd0u1722': Input/output error > 19+0 records in > 18+0 records out bad floppy disk or drive. -- Munir Nassar xRedConcepts.NET _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jgschenz at acm.org Fri Jul 18 15:25:06 2003 From: jgschenz at acm.org (J. Gabriel Schenz) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:29 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Programming classes in the Twin Cities Message-ID: <3F1857A2.9090400@acm.org> B_O_B, I am curious what your goals are for learning how to program. Why don't you let us know what types of programs you want to create and that might help people to offer more targetted advice. Do you want to learn how to construct shell scripts to automate your system? Are you looking to create a web / database application? There are languages that are better for some things than for others, so help us to help you and shed some light on the subject. Regards, Gabe _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Fri Jul 18 15:40:57 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] a little samba Message-ID: <4954.66.103.175.3.1058560857.squirrel@lctn.org> I set up a redhat 8.0 box as a PDC using samba. For some reason users can only logon from their workstations if I make them part of the "root" group, otherwise they get a "wrong password" error, or "the domain password you supplied is not correct". Any ideas what the quick fix is on this? I am not finding anything in the logs that tells me what the problem is. -- Raymond Norton Little Crow Telemedia Network 320-234-0270 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Fri Jul 18 15:49:44 2003 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] a little samba Message-ID: Raymond, What is the version of samba? From jamuraa at base0.net Fri Jul 18 15:55:45 2003 From: jamuraa at base0.net (Michael Janssen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] defrag linux In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE1E3@mail.temgweb.com> References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE1E3@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <20030718205545.GA23591@base0.net> Actually, BitTorrent does have alot to do with it. While BitTorrent allocates the whole file at startup, it is very much a sparse file, and the ext2 filesystem (and other filesystems) pick up on that and don't allocate the whole space. When BitTorrent downloads pieces randomly, the filesystem, seeing that it is still a sparse file, starts writing the pieces at the front. The newer BitTorrent - from CVS - has a new allocation technique and should not exhibit this behavior. Hopefully we will release a new version soon (soon being in August sometime) On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 02:51:53PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > Bittorrent shouldn't have had anything to do with it. It allocates the > *entire* file when starting the download. Even though it grabs the files in > pieces, it just fills in the allocated space in the file. I saw an ext2 > defrag util awhile back, but it stated that it was definitely beta and it > would probably hose your drive. How do you know you need a defrag? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dave Worden [mailto:dave.worden@veritas.com] > > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 1:41 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] defrag linux > > > > > > Er...hit send on accident. > > Anyway, if you have a tape device, dump/restore should defrag a *nix > > filesystem. > > Regards, > > --djw > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Spencer Butler [mailto:spencer@autonomous.tv] > > > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 12:35 PM > > > To: TClug > > > Subject: [TCLUG] defrag linux > > > > > > > > > I have an HDD that is in need of a defrag. I know the ext2 > > > filesytem is > > > not 'suppose' to need to be defragged, but mine does. I think using > > > bittorrent is a part of the cause. Bittorrent downloads > > > 'hunks' of the > > > file at a time, and in no certain order. I do not claim to know the > > > exact reasoning behind my assumption (that bittorrent is the > > > cause of my > > > fragmentation) but I do think it is the source. > > > > > > I would very much like to remedy the situation. Mike Hicks > > suggested > > > that simply coping the files back and forth my take care of > > it. While > > > that does sound like a plausable remedy, I don't really > > have the disk > > > space to do that. > > > > > > I have read the man page for defrag and am wondering if this > > > is safe to > > > do? I do not intend to use windows defrag to solve this > > problem (for > > > more reasons than 'its windows'). > > > > > > Has anyone had any experience siumular to these? Any ideas on the > > > safest way to solve this problem? > > > > > > -- > > > Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer > > > http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv > > > Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Michael Janssen --- Jamuraa --- jamuraa@base0.net --- janssen@debian.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jamuraa at base0.net Fri Jul 18 15:57:33 2003 From: jamuraa at base0.net (Michael Janssen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mindi-boot and /dev/fd0 problems? In-Reply-To: <20030718175806.GD19372@autonomous.tv> References: <200307181255.45124@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> <20030718175806.GD19372@autonomous.tv> Message-ID: <20030718205733.GB23591@base0.net> On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 12:58:06PM -0500, Spencer Butler wrote: > On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 12:55:45PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > ># dd if=mindi-boot.1722.img of=/dev/fd0u1722 > >dd: writing to `/dev/fd0u1722': Input/output error > >19+0 records in > >18+0 records out > > > >Any ideas? > maybe try this first. > # fdformat /dev/fd0u1722 I have had more luck in my day using superformat. Same syntax. superformat /dev/fd0u1722 -- Michael Janssen --- Jamuraa --- jamuraa@base0.net --- janssen@debian.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Fri Jul 18 16:12:14 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] a little samba In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1962.66.103.175.3.1058562734.squirrel@lctn.org> > Raymond, > > What is the version of samba? >>From an RPM or source? > What are the client OSes and patch levels? > If WinNT/Win2K/WinXP clients, did you add > those machines to the domain with 'smbpasswd'? > Are you using LDAP for authentication? > What does your smb.conf contain? right now 2.2.5-10 win98 clients # Samba config file created using SWAT # from 0.0.0.0 (0.0.0.0) # Date: 2003/07/16 10:02:20 # Global parameters [global] netbios name = FALCON logon script = logon.bat logon drive = Y: workgroup = MCLEOD logon path = \\%N\profiles\%u os level = 64 domain master = yes local master = yes security = user # add user script = /usr/sbin/useradd -d /dev/null -g 100 -s # /bin/false -M %u encrypt passwords = yes preferred master = True wins support = Yes domain logons = Yes [netlogon] user = @admin,@administrator,@root only user = yes write list = ntadmin,admin,administrator,@admin,@administrator,@root path = /usr/local/samba/lib/netlogon [profiles] path = /export/smb/ntprofile read only = No create mask = 0600 directory mask = 0700 [homes] create mask = 0664 browseable = no comment = Home Directories directory mask = 0775 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Fri Jul 18 16:34:04 2003 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] a little samba Message-ID: Raymond, If I remember correctly, Win9x clients can only access profiles from within their own home directory. That may or may not be the case, but it is something to check out in the docs... Maybe this one: /usr/share/doc/samba-*/docs/textdocs/PROFILES.txt and if it isn't, this should answer all questions: http://samba.org/~jht/NT4migration/Samba-HOWTO-Collection.pdf Good luck, Troy >>> admin@lctn.org 07/18/03 04:12PM >>> win98 clients ... # Samba config file created using SWAT ... # Global parameters [global] ... logon path = \\%N\profiles\%u ... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jul 18 18:22:40 2003 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:30 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GRUB Geometry error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1058570560.19900.1143.camel@3po> On Fri, 2003-07-18 at 10:24, Brian wrote: > I recently moved a Redhat install from one machine to another with > (apparently) a different BIOS translation of the hard disk. I now get a > "Grub Geom Error" on bootup. I assume the boot block isn't on > the sector it wants it to be, so Grub is failing to load > correctly. What's the easiest way to fix this? Some BIOSes have a few different modes available for accessing the disk. You might want to try setting this to the various possible values (though be careful -- if I recall correctly, changing this is sometimes a destructive action, but maybe I'm thinking of something from a long time ago). If that doesn't work, you'll need to hunt for a boot disk of some kind. Just getting GRUB loaded on a floppy might be enough if you know how to navigate it properly. That would allow you to boot up the system and re-install the bootloader (I think you could theoretically do this just with the floppy, but I wouldn't really advise it) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Why, oh why, didn't I take / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ the blue pill? \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Linux systems can be told to ignore broadcast pings with echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp_echo_ignore_broadcasts And I've even noticed that some Windows systems don't respond to broadcast pings anymore. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ We have a equal opportunity / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Calculus class -- it's \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) fully integrated. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030718/5f4ce6f9/attachment.pgp From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jul 18 19:12:25 2003 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] defrag linux In-Reply-To: <20030718173450.GA19372@autonomous.tv> References: <20030718173450.GA19372@autonomous.tv> Message-ID: <1058573545.19900.1193.camel@3po> On Fri, 2003-07-18 at 12:34, Spencer Butler wrote: > I have an HDD that is in need of a defrag. I know the ext2 filesytem is > not 'suppose' to need to be defragged, but mine does. I think using > bittorrent is a part of the cause. Bittorrent downloads 'hunks' of the > file at a time, and in no certain order. I do not claim to know the > exact reasoning behind my assumption (that bittorrent is the cause of my > fragmentation) but I do think it is the source. > > I would very much like to remedy the situation. Mike Hicks suggested > that simply coping the files back and forth my take care of it. While > that does sound like a plausable remedy, I don't really have the disk > space to do that. You can't even do it one file at a time? If that's the case, I think you'd better start digging for loose change in the couch to find money for more storage ;-) Some simple scripts could be written to do this. Well, they can be very simple if you don't care about permissions and such, but more complex stuff can be somewhat difficult. An easy (though probably slow) way to do this would be to run the two commands find /path -type f -exec gzip -v --fast {} \; find /path -type f -exec gunzip -v {} \; That might mess up permissions, but I'm not 100% sure. Also, it would be scary to do on files that end up bigger when compressed (MP3s, video files, etc), as you might run out of disk space. > I have read the man page for defrag and am wondering if this is safe to > do? I do not intend to use windows defrag to solve this problem (for > more reasons than 'its windows'). I would be wary of using the defrag program. I've never really heard of anyone using it, and I don't know if it would work very well with the various extensions that have been made to the ext2 filesystem over the years. > Has anyone had any experience siumular to these? Any ideas on the > safest way to solve this problem? I've only looked into defragmenting my hard drive a few times since I started using Linux. The first time was when I was new to Linux and didn't know that the filesystem was more intelligent about how files get laid out. The second time was fairly early in the period when I started downloading music files. I thought the fragmentation level seemed high. However, I was informed that a file was considered by fsck and other tools to be 'fragmented' even if it just had two pieces. With big files like that, you're more likely to have a partition with an apparent high fragmentation level, even if the files are mostly contiguous. However, it's quite possible that you're running into real fragmentation issues with BitTorrent. I noticed the sparse file stuff happening when I first used it a week or so ago (to download Mandrake 9.1). Having a file say it's 600 MB when it really isn't is very annoying (well, it was annoying for me since I needed to clear up space for it -- I wasn't warned that it was going to take up all the space on the disk..) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I bought some powdered / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ water, but I don't know \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) what to add to it. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030718/71264a43/attachment.pgp From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jul 18 19:34:29 2003 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distros at installfest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1058574869.20780.1203.camel@3po> On Fri, 2003-07-18 at 12:20, Jima wrote: > On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, Neigebauer, Ben wrote: > > What distro would people use for an old Mac 5400 with 120 mhz and 48 MB > > Ram? > > Oooo, that'd be one of the one-piece systems, wouldn't it? Nice little > machines. (Anyone remember THAT argument? ;) > What would you like to put on it? We ought to have Debian, Yellow Dog, > and -- this just in -- Mandrake. (I hadn't realized they'd released 9.1 > for PPC, too. Impressive.) I can't speak for Mandrake, but the 5400 > appears to be supported on Debian & YDL. Probably is under Mandrake, I'm > just not seeing an official page stating as much. Hmm, they don't seem to list much in the way of system requirements on their site. I seem to recall that the x86 installer from a few years back needed a fair amount of RAM to work properly, but I may be mistaken, and I don't know if that would translate to the PPC side of things. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ It is much easier to be / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ critical than to be correct \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Figuring out how to work > in a group is essential for any major software engineering project. ``Most'' is almost certainly incorrect. ``Some'' would be more accurate. I've never heard of an intro course that has group projects. I just asked a friend with a CS degree, and he says only about 10-15% of his CS classes had group projects. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org Fri Jul 18 21:28:49 2003 From: jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org (Joseph) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Kernel 2.6.0-test1 References: <1058407032.20780.1126.camel@3po> Message-ID: <01f101c34d9d$7d1d6af0$0436a8c0@tomobiki.dyndns.org> I have 2.6.0-test1 as one of the boot options for my HP xz275. I also have 2.4.21 and 2.4.20. This is a slack 9.0 install. The 2.4 kernel don't enable the acpi on the laptop. The 2.6.0 kernal does make the acpi work. But the 2.6.0 breaks the touchpanel mouse putting it on AUX3 or some such place. Found something about getting it to work in the 2.5 kernel that should help. Now I just need to find the options that causes it to lock up when trying to go to multiuser mode. Did that once and had to start the build from scratch. Joseph Key _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From aravind at ece.umn.edu Fri Jul 18 23:11:40 2003 From: aravind at ece.umn.edu (Aravindan Raghuveer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Getting WinTV Go to work. Message-ID: Hi all, I need to install a WinTV Go video capture card on my x86/Linux [RedHat 9.0] Has anybody done that before ? Thanks Regards, -Aravind. Aravindan Raghuveer Graduate Student Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering University of Minnesota Minneapolis, MN _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Jul 18 23:31:23 2003 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GRUB Geometry error In-Reply-To: <1058570560.19900.1143.camel@3po> Message-ID: On 18 Jul 2003, Mike Hicks wrote: > If that doesn't work, you'll need to hunt for a boot disk of some kind. I have the Redhat recovery CD, that should suffice for booting/mounting/etc. > That would allow you to boot up the system and re-install the bootloader How do you reinstall GRUB? I've always know GRUB to be self healing, so I've never had to think too much about it. -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Jul 19 01:26:58 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Getting WinTV Go to work. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030719062657.GF925@techmonkeys.org> Open your PC, plug it in, turn on the computer. RedHat will auto detect it, and load the bttv driver. You can use simple programs such as xawtv, kwintv, or zapping to watch television, or more advanced programs such as 'vcr' for recording. If you really want to go all-out, you can build your own PVR (tivo) with the software at http://www.mythtv.org On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 11:11:40PM -0500, Aravindan Raghuveer wrote: > Hi all, > > I need to install a WinTV Go video capture card on my x86/Linux [RedHat > 9.0] Has anybody done that before ? > > Thanks > Regards, > -Aravind. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david.blevins at visi.com Fri Jul 18 20:32:55 2003 From: david.blevins at visi.com (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Programming classes in the Twin Cities In-Reply-To: <19836711448.20030718072532@toughguy.net>; from chewbaka@toughguy.net on Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 07:25:32AM -0500 References: <19836711448.20030718072532@toughguy.net> Message-ID: <20030719013255.A16729@sweetums.ce1.client2.attbi.com> On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 07:25:32AM -0500, B_o_B wrote: > Friday, July 18, 2003 @ 7:23:03 AM Central Standard Time > > Hi All. I am somewhat new to the Twin Cities area. I am interested > in taking a few programming classes. Can anyone recommend the name of > some schools or tech colleges that might offer programming classes. > I've been teaching with these guys for the better half of the year: www.intertech-inc.com. The material for their java programming class is the closest I've seen to perfect. They host the java user group, and at one point during the tech-boom they were teaching that class every other week. That's a lot of feedback. They also teach the .net languages if you are in to that sort of thing. -David _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sat Jul 19 01:53:32 2003 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (webmaster@mn-linux.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A new classified ad at TCLUG Classifieds Message-ID: <200307190653.h6J6rWm09975@crusader.real-time.com> A new TCLUG classified ad at was placed Sat Jul 19 01:53:32 2003. Name: Yaron Category: trade Subject: AMD K6-2/450MHz, mboard and RAM Ad: I've got an AMD K6-2/450MHz, don't remember who made the mboard. The secondary IDE channel on the board got fried the day I got it (interesting how they make power outputs look like inputs), but other than that it works fine. The CPU fan is pretty new. Also got two 64MB and one 128MB PC100 DIMMs in there. Will trade for something interesting which I don't already have. To view this and other ads at TCLUG Classifieds, please visit: http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Sat Jul 19 02:00:17 2003 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (webmaster@mn-linux.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A new classified ad at TCLUG Classifieds Message-ID: <200307190700.h6J70Hc10048@crusader.real-time.com> A new TCLUG classified ad at was placed Sat Jul 19 02:00:17 2003. Name: Y Category: trade Subject: GeForce2GTS Ad: Got this GeForce2GTS card I no longer need. The fan, which I replaced a few months ago, is getting a bit noisy and might need to be replaced again. Has composite out, svideo in and out, and some weirdo 3d goggle interface (I've lost the goggles, never used them). It was sitting in the mboard from the other ad, and xlockmore's opengl modes ran REALLY nice. Trade for something interesting I don't already have. To view this and other ads at TCLUG Classifieds, please visit: http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel at joelschneider.net Sat Jul 19 03:10:43 2003 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mindi-boot and /dev/fd0 problems? In-Reply-To: <20030718205733.GB23591@base0.net>; from jamuraa@base0.net on Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 03:57:33PM -0500 References: <200307181255.45124@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> <20030718175806.GD19372@autonomous.tv> <20030718205733.GB23591@base0.net> Message-ID: <20030719031043.B18793@joelschneider.net> On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 03:57:33PM -0500, Michael Janssen wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 12:55:45PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > ># dd if=mindi-boot.1722.img of=/dev/fd0u1722 > > >dd: writing to `/dev/fd0u1722': Input/output error Differences between diskette drives may cause this type of problem. I'd also recommend formatting the diskette using superformat. -- Joel Schneider joel@joelschneider.net Linux makes computing fun again. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Jul 19 08:03:41 2003 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GRUB Geometry error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1058619821.20780.1207.camel@3po> On Fri, 2003-07-18 at 23:31, Brian wrote: > > That would allow you to boot up the system and re-install the bootloader > > How do you reinstall GRUB? I've always know GRUB to be self healing, so > I've never had to think too much about it. Here are some instructions. I haven't done it for a long while, so I can't be of too much help with it.. http://www.gnu.org/manual/grub/html_node/Installation.html Of course, this would be less of a problem if hard drives had more than 512 bytes for a boot sector... -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Linux: because a PC is a / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ terrible thing to waste \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Probably is under Mandrake, I'm > > just not seeing an official page stating as much. > > Hmm, they don't seem to list much in the way of system requirements on > their site. I seem to recall that the x86 installer from a few years > back needed a fair amount of RAM to work properly, but I may be > mistaken, and I don't know if that would translate to the PPC side of > things. Huh, good point. I seem to recall having trouble with the YDL 2.2 installer with low RAM -- something like 32 or 48mb. I would guess that Debian might be a little less...picky. Off to the installfest! Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From STEVEWABC at netscape.net Sat Jul 19 08:42:19 2003 From: STEVEWABC at netscape.net (STEVEWABC@netscape.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:31 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distros at installfest Message-ID: <68841B3D.1032441A.026842C8@netscape.net> Under Libranet You are allowed to give it to frinds and Family only with no tech support. Only Web Forum... Andy Moore wrote: >Jima wrote: > >>On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, Andy Moore wrote: >> ? >> >>>I'm bringing my CDs of LN2.8 if anybody wants to copy them. ?I won't >>>have a burner there but somebody else is bound to have one. ?It's 2 CDs >>>if you were going to supply your own discs. >>> ? ? >>> >> >> Nice. :) >> I'm still not touching the legal ramifications. :P >> >> ? ? Jima >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> ? >> >I tried to find something that said I couldn't do it on both the CDs and >their website. ?The only licensing stuff I could find referred to a lack >of warranty and pointed to the GPL. > >I'll keep looking but as far as I can tell (IANAL), I'm ok. > >-- >The Wandering Dru >aka Andy Moore > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From estabroo at talkware.net Sat Jul 19 09:05:28 2003 From: estabroo at talkware.net (Eric Estabrooks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IP addresses in use on a network In-Reply-To: <3F18145A.4010109@loneoakmn.com> References: <3F18145A.4010109@loneoakmn.com> Message-ID: <3F195028.9070204@talkware.net> Andy Moore wrote: > My brain is not working right this morning. > > Could one of you kind souls remind me of the command used to find out > what IP addresses are being used on a netblock? It's been a while since > I've had to use it and I just can't seem to pull the info from the > depths of my cranium. > if you do a broadcast ping you'll probably get most of them since lots of things will reply to it by default. if you use dhcp just look at your leases file. otherwise any scanning tool like nmap could do the job for you. Eric _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Sat Jul 19 11:12:00 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] defrag linux In-Reply-To: <20030718205545.GA23591@base0.net> References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE1E3@mail.temgweb.com> <20030718205545.GA23591@base0.net> Message-ID: <20030719161200.GB19804@autonomous.tv> On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 03:55:45PM -0500, Michael Janssen wrote: > > >Actually, BitTorrent does have alot to do with it. While BitTorrent >allocates the whole file at startup, it is very much a sparse file, >and the ext2 filesystem (and other filesystems) pick up on that and >don't allocate the whole space. When BitTorrent downloads pieces >randomly, the filesystem, seeing that it is still a sparse file, >starts writing the pieces at the front. > >The newer BitTorrent - from CVS - has a new allocation technique and >should not exhibit this behavior. Hopefully we will release a new >version soon (soon being in August sometime) Did you say we? I take it you are involved in the developement process. Good work! I am glad to hear we have a local lugger in the bittorrent loop. So this is obviously a known issue then, with the file fragmentation. Have you seen any or used any technics for solving the problem? I am leaning towards the file copy solution at the moment. I will probably "purchase/borrow" an HDD from a local corporate store and cp the files and then investigate the woes of the original drive. > -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Although I was having some issues with my filesystem after using bittorrent for a while, there was another event that probably has played a role in the current state of the HDD. I run Mac OS X on my laptop, which does not natively support ext2/3. The HDD in question is ext3 in an ieee1394 chasis. I thought it would be fun to try and get the drive working under osX. I grabbed the ext2 third party driver and begin to tinker. When I plugged the harddrive in the mac, with the driver loaded, it did indeed find the drive. I was able to read all the information, (i.e. manufacturer/specs/chs/etc.) only one cavaet, it decided to write its own information to the filesystem. My mac was telling me there were 14 partitions on this HDD. I knew this was not correct, I only created one. I was never able to mount the drive on the mac. I was, however, able to create and mount an ext2 filesytem on some spare space I have on the laptop harddrive. So the ext2 third party driver seems to work, but possibly a little too much. Has anyone else tried to use ext2/3 filesytems locally using osX? -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Sometimes a feeling is all we humans have to go on. -- Kirk, "A Taste of Armageddon", stardate 3193.9 trust your feelings, most of the time your gut instinct is right! -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Ryan at IntegraOnline.Com Sat Jul 19 11:40:17 2003 From: Ryan at IntegraOnline.Com (Ryan Oertel) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Getting WinTV Go to work. In-Reply-To: <20030719062657.GF925@techmonkeys.org> References: <20030719062657.GF925@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <1058632817.18992.5.camel@sd3.mailbank.com> Has anybody on this list installed WinTV or Freevo? Did it work well? What hardware did you use? Which distribution? I'm looking to set it up on a PC I've had laying around here for a while. It's a Celeron 200MhZ w/ 32MB ram. I'm looking to see how well it works before getting more ram and possibly a nice video card. One which will compress/decompress w/o the CPU. I'm thinking of RedHat, just because I'm familiar with it, but have thought about rolling my own distribution with a custom kernel for performance. -Ryan On Sat, 2003-07-19 at 01:26, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > Open your PC, plug it in, turn on the computer. > > RedHat will auto detect it, and load the bttv driver. > > You can use simple programs such as xawtv, kwintv, or zapping > to watch television, or more advanced programs such as 'vcr' for recording. > > If you really want to go all-out, you can build your own PVR (tivo) > with the software at http://www.mythtv.org > > > On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 11:11:40PM -0500, Aravindan Raghuveer wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I need to install a WinTV Go video capture card on my x86/Linux [RedHat > > 9.0] Has anybody done that before ? > > > > Thanks > > Regards, > > -Aravind. -- Ryan Oertel -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you're looking to use PVR software, I'm skeptical if a 200 MHz would have enough horsepower. MythTV.org recommends at least a 500 MHz machine for watching "live" TV with Tivo-type features. http://mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInfo I'm not even sure if a video card exists that will decode divx video, etc. I would, however, like to become aware of such a device should one exist. Mark Courtney http://www.MarkCourtney.com __ +|oo|+ +|oo|+ || || || || || || _ || _ \\_||_// | [] | | || | / [] \ \______/ > Has anybody on this list installed WinTV or Freevo? Did it work well? What > hardware did you use? Which distribution? > > I'm looking to set it up on a PC I've had laying around here for a while. > It's a Celeron 200MhZ w/ 32MB ram. I'm looking to see how well it works > before getting more ram and possibly a nice video card. One which will > compress/decompress w/o the CPU. I'm thinking of RedHat, just because I'm > familiar with it, but have thought about rolling my own distribution with a > custom kernel for performance. > > -Ryan > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Jul 19 13:16:16 2003 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Getting WinTV Go to work. In-Reply-To: <1058632817.18992.5.camel@sd3.mailbank.com> References: <20030719062657.GF925@techmonkeys.org> <1058632817.18992.5.camel@sd3.mailbank.com> Message-ID: <1058638576.1454.35.camel@3po> On Sat, 2003-07-19 at 11:40, Ryan Oertel wrote: > Has anybody on this list installed WinTV or Freevo? Did it work well? > What hardware did you use? Which distribution? I've been using MythTV for a while. There are unofficial Debian packages available that I use. I'm pretty sure there are RPMs available for some other distributions. I'm currently using my desktop system (1.3GHz Athlon) for encoding video, and my laptop for playback. (MythTV's frontend program doesn't work with my Xinerama setup for some reason, though I recently noticed that the Sawfish window manager causes problems for certain programs, and it may affect MythTV) I use MPEG4 software encoding at the moment, since I can store a lot of video on my system that way, but it takes up a lot of CPU time and video gets choppy when I'm actually using the system. Because of this, I plan to look into getting a WinTV PVR-350 or another hardware encoding card, which would greatly reduce the CPU usage on my system. > I'm looking to set it up on a PC I've had laying around here for a > while. It's a Celeron 200MhZ w/ 32MB ram. I'm looking to see how well > it works before getting more ram and possibly a nice video card. One > which will compress/decompress w/o the CPU. I'm thinking of RedHat, > just because I'm familiar with it, but have thought about rolling my own > distribution with a custom kernel for performance. A slow machine like that will need full hardware encoding and decoding. I believe that MythTV supports the MPEG2 boards WinTV PVR-250 and PVR-350 for encoding, though I'm not sure if hardware decoding is supported on the -350. If the PVR-350 is supported both ways, that would probably be one of the best options for you. Otherwise, you'll need a faster processor for decoding -- similar to hardware you'd need for decoding DVDs in software. The hardware requirements would also be lessened if you have a video card that could do full or partial MPEG2 decoding (like many ATI cards). I did a tiny bit of digging, and it looks like http://ivtv.sourceforge.net/ might be a good place to look around for info.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ E pluribus unum / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Figuring out how to work in >> a group is essential for any major software engineering project. > > ``Most'' is almost certainly incorrect. ``Some'' would be more > accurate. I've never heard of an intro course that has group projects. > I just asked a friend with a CS degree, and he says only about 10-15% of > his CS classes had group projects. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Sat Jul 19 13:44:33 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Getting WinTV Go to work. In-Reply-To: <1058638576.1454.35.camel@3po> References: <20030719062657.GF925@techmonkeys.org> <1058632817.18992.5.camel@sd3.mailbank.com> <1058638576.1454.35.camel@3po> Message-ID: On Sat, 19 Jul 2003, Mike Hicks wrote: > I believe that MythTV supports the MPEG2 boards WinTV PVR-250 and > PVR-350 for encoding, though I'm not sure if hardware decoding is > supported on the -350. If the PVR-350 is supported both ways, that > would probably be one of the best options for you. IVTV doesn't support hardware decoding yet, but they are working on it.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sat Jul 19 14:13:28 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:32 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Programming classes in the Twin Cities References: <20030719170003.25314.61769.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> <33420.63.199.229.203.1058639512.squirrel@webmail.nerp.net> Message-ID: <006601c34e29$d6073c90$0201a8c0@brinstar> Dan Willenbring writes: > As long as you're correcting semantics and gathering sources, ''all'' > of my computer science courses involved group work. In fact, quite a > number of courses was nothing but a large, semester-long, group > project. I received my degree from the University of St. Thomas. Interesting. I asked two people, who graduated with CS degrees from different schools, and both said ``maybe 2-3''. It must vary widely from school to school. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Jul 19 14:24:16 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Getting WinTV Go to work. In-Reply-To: <1058632817.18992.5.camel@sd3.mailbank.com> References: <20030719062657.GF925@techmonkeys.org> <1058632817.18992.5.camel@sd3.mailbank.com> Message-ID: <20030719192415.GH925@techmonkeys.org> On Sat, Jul 19, 2003 at 11:40:17AM -0500, Ryan Oertel wrote: > Has anybody on this list installed WinTV or Freevo? Did it work well? > What hardware did you use? Which distribution? Freevo is comparable to a VCR, while MythTV is your modified tivo with all the nifty features. MythTV has binaries for Debian and RedHat, and it's fairly painless to setup/configure. A 200MHz processor is not sufficient, luckily "low end" PII/PIII's are cheap, and you should be able to just swap it in. You'll also need more ram, luckily, it is also very cheap. > > I'm looking to set it up on a PC I've had laying around here for a > while. It's a Celeron 200MhZ w/ 32MB ram. I'm looking to see how well > it works before getting more ram and possibly a nice video card. One > which will compress/decompress w/o the CPU. I'm thinking of RedHat, > just because I'm familiar with it, but have thought about rolling my own > distribution with a custom kernel for performance. > > -Ryan -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030719/49add38a/attachment.pgp From Ryan at IntegraOnline.Com Sat Jul 19 15:21:57 2003 From: Ryan at IntegraOnline.Com (Ryan Oertel) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Getting WinTV Go to work. In-Reply-To: <1058638576.1454.35.camel@3po> References: <20030719062657.GF925@techmonkeys.org> <1058632817.18992.5.camel@sd3.mailbank.com> <1058638576.1454.35.camel@3po> Message-ID: <1058646116.19142.11.camel@sd3.mailbank.com> I may have miscommunicated my intent for the slow computer. I just want to see how it works, flaws, bugs, etc. Once I can see that it will work for what I want, it will be easier to get funding approval from the wife. The costs for Tivo haven't dropped in the last year and the monthly subscription really turns us off. If I can do something flexible with inexpensive hardware and open source software, we'd be very happy. For now, I was going to use my main computer for recording, compression and storage of the video, and playback on the 'slow' one. One side question: how easily does the setup work with DirecTV? Can the computer remote-control the DTV receiver? How easy is the user interface for watching/pausing/recording TV? -Ryan On Sat, 2003-07-19 at 13:16, Mike Hicks wrote: > On Sat, 2003-07-19 at 11:40, Ryan Oertel wrote: > > Has anybody on this list installed WinTV or Freevo? Did it work well? > > What hardware did you use? Which distribution? > > I've been using MythTV for a while. There are unofficial Debian > packages available that I use. I'm pretty sure there are RPMs available > for some other distributions. > > I'm currently using my desktop system (1.3GHz Athlon) for encoding > video, and my laptop for playback. (MythTV's frontend program doesn't > work with my Xinerama setup for some reason, though I recently noticed > that the Sawfish window manager causes problems for certain programs, > and it may affect MythTV) > > I use MPEG4 software encoding at the moment, since I can store a lot of > video on my system that way, but it takes up a lot of CPU time and video > gets choppy when I'm actually using the system. Because of this, I plan > to look into getting a WinTV PVR-350 or another hardware encoding card, > which would greatly reduce the CPU usage on my system. > > > I'm looking to set it up on a PC I've had laying around here for a > > while. It's a Celeron 200MhZ w/ 32MB ram. I'm looking to see how well > > it works before getting more ram and possibly a nice video card. One > > which will compress/decompress w/o the CPU. I'm thinking of RedHat, > > just because I'm familiar with it, but have thought about rolling my own > > distribution with a custom kernel for performance. > > A slow machine like that will need full hardware encoding and decoding. > I believe that MythTV supports the MPEG2 boards WinTV PVR-250 and > PVR-350 for encoding, though I'm not sure if hardware decoding is > supported on the -350. If the PVR-350 is supported both ways, that > would probably be one of the best options for you. Otherwise, you'll > need a faster processor for decoding -- similar to hardware you'd need > for decoding DVDs in software. The hardware requirements would also be > lessened if you have a video card that could do full or partial MPEG2 > decoding (like many ATI cards). > > I did a tiny bit of digging, and it looks like > http://ivtv.sourceforge.net/ might be a good place to look around for > info.. -- Ryan Oertel -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Any ideas as to why? -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sat Jul 19 16:29:13 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IP addresses in use on a network References: <3F18145A.4010109@loneoakmn.com><20030718144729.GF32367@fandre.com><3F181934.2070402@loneoakmn.com> <16153.46550.318161.799564@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Message-ID: <00a601c34e3c$cd19a4c0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Jon Schewe writes: > I tried this and it missed my wireless AP. Any ideas as to why? Probably because it doesn't respond to ICMP echo request packets. Try running it as root. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Jul 19 18:50:27 2003 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Getting WinTV Go to work. In-Reply-To: <1058646116.19142.11.camel@sd3.mailbank.com> References: <20030719062657.GF925@techmonkeys.org> <1058632817.18992.5.camel@sd3.mailbank.com> <1058638576.1454.35.camel@3po> <1058646116.19142.11.camel@sd3.mailbank.com> Message-ID: <1058658626.1454.42.camel@3po> On Sat, 2003-07-19 at 15:21, Ryan Oertel wrote: > For now, I was going to use my main computer for recording, compression > and storage of the video, and playback on the 'slow' one. Well, even playing back video will be a scary experience on that box. You might be able to get something to play if you use a very low capture resolution on the main computer. Also, at least for MythTV, it might work better to use the RTJPEG codec instead of the MPEG4 one.. I imagine decoding would be easier in the first format.. > One side question: how easily does the setup work with DirecTV? Can the > computer remote-control the DTV receiver? How easy is the user > interface for watching/pausing/recording TV? There are infrared transmitters available that you can plug into a serial port to send the correct codes to the receiver to change channels. I've also heard that some cable/satellite boxes have serial ports on them for this, but I don't know if anyone knows how to use them (the thought has also occurred to me that this is a reason why there's a USB port on the digital cable boxes that Time Warner uses, but I don't know for sure) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ #define ENONSEQUETOR /* C / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ Program not derived from \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) `Hello World' */ [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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At any rate, there have been similar problems in the past, so it would be advisable to get good hardware whenever possible, rather than using the buggy box that's been sitting in the closet for years. I know my apartment network could last an afternoon without its switch, so I'll have to remember this in the future (even a kind soul or two with Linux-powered Ethernet bridge boxes would be good) 2. I overheard Munir mention something about "SSH in a box" (or something similar) -- apparently a way to SSH from most any computer. Anyway, I've been looking for something like that. Does such a thing really exist, or was I just imagining things? ;-) 3. Late in the day, it sounded like someone had the (mis)fortune to be using a Serial ATA controller with some real SATA drives. I was under the impression that Linux would be able to talk to most any SATA controllers (I thought I heard that they generally look like ordinary IDE controllers, but maybe I'm mistaken). Did that person have any luck getting their system working? -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Did ya hear? They took the / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ word gullible out of the \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) dictionary! [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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At any rate, there have been similar problems in the past, so it would be advisable to get good hardware whenever possible, rather than using the buggy box that's been sitting in the closet for years. I know my apartment network could last an afternoon without its switch, so I'll have to remember this in the future (even a kind soul or two with Linux-powered Ethernet bridge boxes would be good) We pretty much had no problems, except for the 1 hub I did bring (I also brought a few switches, but I ran out) so hopefully next time I'll have a 8+ port switch availible, I'm planning on buying 1 or more. If anybody knows of any, 10/100 availible, for cheap, let me know. 2. I overheard Munir mention something about "SSH in a box" (or something similar) -- apparently a way to SSH from most any computer. Anyway, I've been looking for something like that. Does such a thing really exist, or was I just imagining things? ;-) I think I once heard about this- putty I think was used. (Not sure if on a Windoze box or not) 3. Late in the day, it sounded like someone had the (mis)fortune to be using a Serial ATA controller with some real SATA drives. I was under the impression that Linux would be able to talk to most any SATA controllers (I thought I heard that they generally look like ordinary IDE controllers, but maybe I'm mistaken). Did that person have any luck getting their system working? No he did not, because of the SATA drive. I had (basically) a system just as new- but no SATA drives. I disabled it. THE nForce2 CHIPSET WORKS. BTW, this is the first email composed on my fresh-install of Red Hat 9.0. I love it! The installfest was a blast! Joke from the end for those who had to leave earlier- (This was at 7 PM, when the Jima, I and a few others FINALLY got out of there) I said: First installfest, get Linux running. DONE Second installfest, get all games running. Now, what's the next thing? Jima: You forgot take over the world! So my system'll work as a mirror for next time, as by then, I'll probably be over 1/2 a terrabyte. Maybe not, but I'll probably be closer than now (only 60GB away...) Keith Bachman (The guy who had a never-ending supply of 'stuff' in his car, and the BIG blue case that some people got disk envy over) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Did ya hear? They took the / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ word gullible out of the \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) dictionary! [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] This is not about Napster or DVDs. It's about your Freedom. http://www.anti-dmca.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mike at mikemaurer.net Sat Jul 19 22:43:47 2003 From: mike at mikemaurer.net (Mike M) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest Roundup In-Reply-To: <1058671996.c9f90ce0kcbnac@myrealbox.com> References: <1058671996.c9f90ce0kcbnac@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <3F1A0FF3.3060207@mikemaurer.net> > 1. It was suggested that for future Installfests, it should be > advised that people bring Ethernet switches rather than just hubs. I > think Scot Jenkins was having trouble helping someone because of a > lot of collisions on the network were slowing down his downloads > (though it occurs to me that maybe a bad cable or card was the real > culprit..) > > At any rate, there have been similar problems in the past, so it > would be advisable to get good hardware whenever possible, rather > than using the buggy box that's been sitting in the closet for years. > I know my apartment network could last an afternoon without its > switch, so I'll have to remember this in the future (even a kind soul > or two with Linux-powered Ethernet bridge boxes would be good) > >> We pretty much had no problems, except for the 1 hub I did bring (I >> also brought a few switches, but I ran out) so hopefully next time >> I'll have a 8+ port switch availible, I'm planning on buying 1 or >> more. If anybody knows of any, 10/100 availible, for cheap, let >> me know. I would have come to this installfest, and plan to come to future ones. I couldn't make it today due to a scheduling conflict with a conference. Anyway, I've got two 8-port switches I'm more than happy to bring. Mike _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Sat Jul 19 22:45:53 2003 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:33 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest Roundup Message-ID: <20030720034553.GB675@iucha.net> A big round of thanks to the organizers of yet another successful installfest. Good location, good setup, good advice! Thank you Andy for making the location and the network available. florin -- "NT is to UNIX what a doughnut is to a particle accelerator." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(I can successfully boot to Windows, so the partitions are seen on their own) Popfix, (I think I screwed that up) did you disable them, by any chance, in grub or anything to get it initially working, or are they just not showing up? Thanks! Keith Bachman This is not about Napster or DVDs. It's about your Freedom. http://www.anti-dmca.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com Sat Jul 19 15:33:29 2003 From: MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com (Mark Courtney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Getting WinTV Go to work. In-Reply-To: <1058646116.19142.11.camel@sd3.mailbank.com> References: <20030719062657.GF925@techmonkeys.org> <1058632817.18992.5.camel@sd3.mailbank.com> <1058638576.1454.35.camel@3po> <1058646116.19142.11.camel@sd3.mailbank.com> Message-ID: <32845.192.168.2.236.1058646809.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> If you're using a digital signal, like DirecTV, you'll also have to consider that a WinTV card isn't gonna be able to decode the digital stations. That is unless you specifically have a digital tuner card. I'm pretty sure MythTV is designed for use with an analog signal and a regular WinTV card. If you're going to use a digital TV signal like digital cable, etc., I'd recommend checking out this link: http://linuxtv.org/ > One side question: how easily does the setup work with DirecTV? Can the > computer remote-control the DTV receiver? How easy is the user > interface for watching/pausing/recording TV? > > -Ryan > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dd-b at dd-b.net Sun Jul 20 11:03:41 2003 From: dd-b at dd-b.net (David Dyer-Bennet) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest Roundup In-Reply-To: <1058671996.c9f90ce0kcbnac@myrealbox.com> References: <1058671996.c9f90ce0kcbnac@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: "K B" writes: > 2. I overheard Munir mention something about "SSH in a box" (or > something similar) -- apparently a way to SSH from most any computer. > Anyway, I've been looking for something like that. Does such a thing > really exist, or was I just imagining things? ;-) > > I think I once heard about this- putty I think was used. (Not sure > if on a Windoze box or not) On a windows box, putty.exe can be run directly from CD to make an SSH connection to wherever. Very handy. -- David Dyer-Bennet, , RKBA: Photos: Snapshots: Dragaera mailing lists: _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sun Jul 20 12:40:32 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest Roundup In-Reply-To: <1058662727.1454.62.camel@3po> References: <1058662727.1454.62.camel@3po> Message-ID: On Sat, 19 Jul 2003, Mike Hicks wrote: > At any rate, there have been similar problems in the past, so it would > be advisable to get good hardware whenever possible, rather than using > the buggy box that's been sitting in the closet for years. I know my > apartment network could last an afternoon without its switch, so I'll > have to remember this in the future (even a kind soul or two with > Linux-powered Ethernet bridge boxes would be good) i guess i could bring in a couple of old boxen to run as bridges. > 2. I overheard Munir mention something about "SSH in a box" (or > something similar) -- apparently a way to SSH from most any computer. > Anyway, I've been looking for something like that. Does such a thing > really exist, or was I just imagining things? ;-) actually it is called shellinabox and it is a cgi/java thingie that tunnels yours ssh connection through http it is rather old (last release in 1999 iirc) but there is a webmin shellinabox module and it simply rocks. works wonders when you are stuck behinds a restrictive firewall. > 3. Late in the day, it sounded like someone had the (mis)fortune to be > using a Serial ATA controller with some real SATA drives. I was under > the impression that Linux would be able to talk to most any SATA > controllers (I thought I heard that they generally look like ordinary > IDE controllers, but maybe I'm mistaken). Did that person have any luck > getting their system working? no, i was never able to get that drive to work. none of the installers had support for that controller it looked like a scsi controller and it acted like one, but i could not get the right modules. i am sure that we could have goten it to work given enough time and effort and some extra hardware to play with, but not in the time available. Maybe at the next installfest. Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Sun Jul 20 12:53:41 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest Roundup In-Reply-To: <20030720034553.GB675@iucha.net> References: <20030720034553.GB675@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20030720125341.1f20abf1.sfertch@real-time.com> On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 22:45:53 -0500 florin@iucha.net (Florin Iucha) wrote: > A big round of thanks to the organizers of yet another successful > installfest. Good location, good setup, good advice! > > Thank you Andy for making the location and the network available. > I agree! Thanks everyone, in particular Chewie for helping me get Debian on my system. Didn't get quite as far as I had hoped, but no big deal. The hardest part got completed... Getting past that install! Now I've got Debian and LVM. Life is good! Didn't get a chance to work on it further when I got home, as we went out of town. But, I'll be working on it shortly. Now to figure out this package management thing of Debian. A lot different than Slack's. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kcbnac at myrealbox.com Sun Jul 20 15:57:26 2003 From: kcbnac at myrealbox.com (K B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest follow-up Q's Message-ID: <1058734646.c3e9cbc0kcbnac@myrealbox.com> We got my system up and working. We had to disable (okay, unplug) the Promise ATA controller to get RH installed, and the nForce2 patches working. Then, at the end, I plugged the controller back in. How do I mount up my windows partitions (both NTFS and FAT32) in Linux? (I've done it before, on a Mandrake install- they were under /mnt/windows/) Is there something I need to enable for this to work, or what? Also, on a seperate matter, XP Pro will no longer boot (I went to start it, then powered it off- now it goes to the 'sorry, but your system didn't boot right last time' menu and when I select one, it locks up) 98SE will, but it will not read my NTFS partitions. Anybody know a trick to mount NTFS under 98SE? If I were to reinstall XP Pro, I know it'd clobber my MBR. How could I recover that, to the way it is now, without having to reinstall? (RH GRUB bootloader) If I go to the Hardware Browser tool, under "Hard Drives" I see all four drives, with their respective partitions. But, if I go to "Info Center" and select "Partitions" I only see my RH, CDROM and floppy drives and partitions. What do I need to do in order to get my Windows paritions mounted? (I can successfully boot to Windows, so the partitions are seen on their own) Popfix, (I think I screwed that up) did you disable them, by any chance, in grub or anything to get it initially working, or are they just not showing up? Thanks! Keith Bachman This is not about Napster or DVDs. It's about your Freedom. http://www.anti-dmca.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Sun Jul 20 17:45:20 2003 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest follow-up Q's In-Reply-To: <1058734646.c3e9cbc0kcbnac@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 20 Jul 2003, K B wrote: > We got my system up and working. We had to disable (okay, unplug) the > Promise ATA controller to get RH installed, and the nForce2 patches > working. Then, at the end, I plugged the controller back in. How do I > mount up my windows partitions (both NTFS and FAT32) in Linux? (I've > done it before, on a Mandrake install- they were under /mnt/windows/) Is > there something I need to enable for this to work, or what? First make a /mnt/windows directory make a subdir for each partition mount them manually: mount /dev/hdx?? /mnt/windows/win9x -t vfat mount /dev/hdx?? /mnt/windows/winxp -t ntfs And/or add them to fstab: /dev/hdx?? /mnt/windows/win9x vfat defaults 0 0 /dev/hdx?? /mnt/windows/winxp ntfs defaults 0 0 Then they'll mount on bootup. > Also, on a seperate matter, XP Pro will no longer boot (I went to start > it, then powered it off- now it goes to the 'sorry, but your system > didn't boot right last time' menu and when I select one, it locks > up) 98SE will, but it will not read my NTFS partitions. Anybody know a > trick to mount NTFS under 98SE? You can grab the freebie (read only) version of NTFSDos at sysinternals.com. > If I were to reinstall XP Pro, I know it'd clobber my MBR. Yup. > How could I recover that, to the way it is now, without having to > reinstall? (RH GRUB bootloader) Well, I assume you have the XP CD handy. You can boot up into recovery console and use the boot sector recovery tools, but again I think you'll fry your boot sector. What I would do is make a boot floppy (mkbootdisk I think) of your Redhat system, then try the recovery console trick to get your XP boot sector back. Then boot up RH with the floppy and restore GRUB (see the other thread I started on how to do that) and you should be OK. > If I go to the Hardware Browser tool, under "Hard Drives" I see all > four drives, with their respective partitions. But, if I go to "Info > Center" and select "Partitions" I only see my RH, CDROM and floppy > drives and partitions. What do I need to do in order to get my Windows > paritions mounted? (I can successfully boot to Windows, so the > partitions are seen on their own) I'm not exactly sure why this is a problem, if you use the steps I mentioned above you should be able to mount them with no problem. -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sun Jul 20 18:39:19 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest follow-up Q's References: Message-ID: <000401c34f18$24aec9f0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Brian writes: > On Sun, 20 Jul 2003, K B wrote: > mount /dev/hdx?? /mnt/windows/winxp -t ntfs > > /dev/hdx?? /mnt/windows/winxp ntfs defaults 0 0 You'll want to mount NTFS read only, since the Linux driver will likely corrupt it: mount /dev/hdx?? /mnt/windows/winxp -t ntfs -o ro /dev/hdx?? /mnt/windows/winxp ntfs defaults,ro 0 0 Simply not writing to it may not be safe, as the file system may try to update the access time on accessed files. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kcbnac at myrealbox.com Sun Jul 20 18:49:28 2003 From: kcbnac at myrealbox.com (K B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where to learn? Message-ID: <1058744968.a69664c0kcbnac@myrealbox.com> Okay, the installfest yesterday was the first I've been to. Also, that's the first time I've ever really messed with my system (when it comes to Linux) besides just getting it running. (I did a little editing with my laptop, but that was from people with identical systems and OS) 1) Where should I start in learning Linux, should I start with the command prompt (bash, etc) or should I start with the GUI? (I've found I can't do everything from GUI...like mount the FAT32 and NTFS partitions RH still can't find...but it sees the hardware) 2) What books should I pick up? Any older ones, or anything generic? I'm currently using RH 9.0, and probably will reinstall Mandrake 9.1 on my laptop shortly (next quarter at Brown College is Linux..Mandrake on Mac or RH on PCs) 3) What site(s) are best for continuing knowledge? linuxnewbies.org (whatever it is, I've been there before), etc 4) Any free/cheap classes/courses around the cities that anybody knows of? I saw some sheets at the installfest...I guess I should've grabbed 'em. Anything we can do at a beer meeting, or installfest, or else maybe as another event? I know I could handle 5-15 here at my house, if needed. I know there's a bunch of us who've worked with computers for a while, and we love Linux, or at least, as much as we know. We just need help getting started, and there's soooo much info out there, with no clue where to start. Thanks! Keith Bachman This is not about Napster or DVDs. It's about your Freedom. http://www.anti-dmca.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Sun Jul 20 19:58:15 2003 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where to learn? In-Reply-To: <1058744968.a69664c0kcbnac@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 20 Jul 2003, K B wrote: > 1) Where should I start in learning Linux, should I start with the command prompt (bash, etc) or should I start with the GUI? (I've found I can't do everything from GUI...like mount the FAT32 and NTFS partitions RH still can't find...but it sees the hardware) What do you want linux to do for you? If you want to understand how stuff works like automounting partitions and files sytem modification, you need command line help. If you want everything to just happen without understanding how or why, GUI is a good place to start. > 2) What books should I pick up? Any older ones, or anything generic? I'm currently using RH 9.0, and probably will reinstall Mandrake 9.1 on my laptop shortly (next quarter at Brown College is Linux..Mandrake on Mac or RH on PCs) For Redhat, I highly suggest Running Redhat Linux from O'Reilly. > 3) What site(s) are best for continuing knowledge? linuxnewbies.org (whatever it is, I've been there before), etc www.tldp.org is always a good site, www.linux.org, and your local library. > 4) Any free/cheap classes/courses around the cities that anybody knows > of? I saw some sheets at the installfest...I guess I should've grabbed > 'em. Anything we can do at a beer meeting, or installfest, or else > maybe as another event? I know I could handle 5-15 here at my house, if > needed. Usually if you need help with anything, a post here and a case of beer is all you need for front door tech support service. > I know there's a bunch of us who've worked with computers for a while, > and we love Linux, or at least, as much as we know. We just need help > getting started, and there's soooo much info out there, with no clue > where to start. It's been awhile so I forget how to get started the right way on linux. I know stuff just because I broke things, re-installed dozens of times, learned lots of things that didn't work, etc. This LUG and www.tldp.org are probably my biggest resources when it comes to linux. You're at an advantage because there's a ton of good books (O'Reilly publishing most of them) about every subject in linux. -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel at joelschneider.net Sun Jul 20 20:20:50 2003 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where to learn? In-Reply-To: <1058744968.a69664c0kcbnac@myrealbox.com>; from kcbnac@myrealbox.com on Sun, Jul 20, 2003 at 06:49:28PM -0500 References: <1058744968.a69664c0kcbnac@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <20030720202050.C18793@joelschneider.net> On Sun, Jul 20, 2003 at 06:49:28PM -0500, K B wrote: > 1) Where should I start in learning Linux, should I start with the > command prompt (bash, etc) or should I start with the GUI? I'd say get comfortable with the command prompt. The Linux Documentation Project has some guides, HOWTOs, FAQs, etc. that may be helpful: http://www.tldp.org/guides.html#intro-linux http://linux-newbie.sunsite.dk/ http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/ http://www.tldp.org/FAQ/Linux-FAQ/ http://www.tldp.org/FAQ/LDP-FAQ/ > 2) What books should I pick up? Here's a reading list HOWTO document: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Reading-List-HOWTO/ > 3) What site(s) are best for continuing knowledge? Here are some useful links: http://www.tldp.org/ http://www.google.com/linux http://www.mn-linux.org/links/ > 4) Any free/cheap classes/courses around the cities that anybody knows > of? Not sure. -- Joel Schneider joel@joelschneider.net Linux makes computing fun again. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Sun Jul 20 21:53:25 2003 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where to learn? In-Reply-To: <1058744968.a69664c0kcbnac@myrealbox.com> References: <1058744968.a69664c0kcbnac@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <200307202153.25984.jack@jacku.com> On Sunday 20 July 2003 6:49 pm, K B wrote: > 2) What books should I pick up? Any older ones, or anything generic? I'm > currently using RH 9.0, and probably will reinstall Mandrake 9.1 on my > laptop shortly (next quarter at Brown College is Linux..Mandrake on Mac or > RH on PCs) When it comes to books for learning Linux my personal choice is Mark Sobell's Practical Guide to Linux, the new edition has the title "A Practical Guide to Red Hat Linux 8". Its a great book, a little on the hefty side (over 1500 pages at this point.) It covers command-line, GUI (Gnome and KDE), emacs and vi (so you can pick your side of the editor wars), basic system administration and programming. Visit amazon via this url for more info. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0201703130/103-7237176-5989436?vi=glance -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sun Jul 20 22:09:48 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest follow-up Q's In-Reply-To: <1058734646.c3e9cbc0kcbnac@myrealbox.com> References: <1058734646.c3e9cbc0kcbnac@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <20030721030947.GI925@techmonkeys.org> On Sun, Jul 20, 2003 at 03:57:26PM -0500, K B wrote: > We got my system up and working. We had to disable (okay, unplug) the Promise ATA controller to get RH installed, and the nForce2 patches working. Then, at the end, I plugged the controller back in. How do I mount up my windows partitions (both NTFS and FAT32) in Linux? (I've done it before, on a Mandrake install- they were under /mnt/windows/) Is there something I need to enable for this to work, or what? We had to unplug the promise controller to get mandrake to boot, RedHat had no problems with it. > > If I go to the Hardware Browser tool, under "Hard Drives" I see all four drives, with their respective partitions. But, if I go to "Info Center" and select "Partitions" I only see my RH, CDROM and floppy drives and partitions. What do I need to do in order to get my Windows paritions mounted? (I can successfully boot to Windows, so the partitions are seen on their own) Under info center/partitions you're seeing the stuff in /etc/fstab, the hard drives info area shows the drives. > > Popfix, (I think I screwed that up) did you disable them, by any chance, in grub or anything to get it initially working, or are they just not showing up? nothing to do with grub, follow the directions later in the other replies to your message. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Sun Jul 20 22:30:14 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Permanent IP change Message-ID: <20030720223014.54ac3eb9.sfertch@real-time.com> Apologies on a simple question, but it's escaping my head right now, and I can't find an answer readily out of the the books I have in front of me. At the installfest, we got Debian running on my system. However, I need to make a network IP change to it. Currently, it's running DHCP. I need to make it a permanent static address. I know I can issue the command of: # ifconfig eth0 10.0.0.50 netmask 255.255.255.0 And this will assign the IP address. However, it's only good temporarily until the box is rebooted. What files/commands to I need to issue or modify to make this a permanent change? Looking in the /etc/network directory, there is an interfaces file with NIC info. Is this the correct one? If so, what should it look like for static IP's and netmask? On Slackware, I did a "netconfig" and an interactive prompt came up. Thanks, appreciate any help on this. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sun Jul 20 22:52:36 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:34 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Permanent IP change References: <20030720223014.54ac3eb9.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <000401c34f3b$863179c0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Shawn writes: > And this will assign the IP address. However, it's only good > temporarily until the box is rebooted. What files/commands to I need > to issue or modify to make this a permanent change? Edit /etc/network/interfaces: auto eth0 iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.1.50 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.1.1 See interfaces(5) for more details. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Jul 21 00:21:10 2003 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Getting WinTV Go to work. In-Reply-To: <32845.192.168.2.236.1058646809.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> References: <20030719062657.GF925@techmonkeys.org> <1058632817.18992.5.camel@sd3.mailbank.com> <1058638576.1454.35.camel@3po> <1058646116.19142.11.camel@sd3.mailbank.com> <32845.192.168.2.236.1058646809.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> Message-ID: <1058764870.1454.864.camel@3po> On Sat, 2003-07-19 at 15:33, Mark Courtney wrote: > If you're using a digital signal, like DirecTV, you'll also have to consider > that a WinTV card isn't gonna be able to decode the digital stations. That > is unless you specifically have a digital tuner card. > > I'm pretty sure MythTV is designed for use with an analog signal and a > regular WinTV card. If you're going to use a digital TV signal like digital > cable, etc., I'd recommend checking out this link: > > http://linuxtv.org/ Yeah, there's some discussion of that stuff in the mailing list archives on that site, although the main pages there appear to be geared more toward the DVB receivers used in Europe (though some DVB stuff does hit American shores). In the U.S., terrestrial digital TV receivers are generally set up for receiving ATSC signals transmitted with 8VSB modulation. The digital coding schemes used in satellite and cable systems, however, appear to vary from provider to provider (QAM64 and QAM128 are popular choices). Fortunately, it looks like almost everyone has agreed on using MPEG2 system streams for the actual video and audio data. (Sidenote: Just because I'm throwing out these abbreviations doesn't mean I understand any of them. It's sufficient to just know that one is generally not compatible with another, though I guess I saw some hinting that European DVB cards might work with U.S. cable and satellite stuff. Maybe.) In theory, it wouldn't be too difficult to get MythTV or other PVR software to handle digital TV streams, since it can already handle the MPEG2 stream coming off of the WinTV PVR-250 and -350 (among others). Of course, having enough CPU power to decode the MPEG2 stream would be a challenge. Also, one big question is the availability of Linux-compatible hardware that will merely pass the over-the-air (or over-the-wire) stream directly to the system without unnecessary transcoding. Someday, when processors are running in the tens of gigahertz, dedicated hardware won't be needed because the GNU Radio project will then be able to decode the various modulation schemes in realtime. But, that's quite a while off.. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ We don't live in America. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ America lives in us. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030721/80e3ac4c/attachment.pgp From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Jul 21 01:40:28 2003 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Permanent IP change In-Reply-To: <20030720223014.54ac3eb9.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20030720223014.54ac3eb9.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: Personally I have all my boxes configure via DHSP, and the DHCP server provides boxes with a static IP based on their MAC address. This is good because if you want to change, say, the default router on ALL of your machines, you only have to change it on the DSHP server, and then renew the lease on all the machines. A lot of access points/home routers will let you do this. ISC's DHCP server (which comes with, at least, Red Hat) does it better. On Sun, 20 Jul 2003, Shawn wrote: > Apologies on a simple question, but it's escaping my head right now, and I can't find an answer readily out of the the books I have in front of me. > > At the installfest, we got Debian running on my system. However, I need to make a network IP change to it. Currently, it's running DHCP. I need to make it a permanent static address. > > I know I can issue the command of: > # ifconfig eth0 10.0.0.50 netmask 255.255.255.0 > > And this will assign the IP address. However, it's only good temporarily until the box is rebooted. What files/commands to I need to issue or modify to make this a permanent change? > > Looking in the /etc/network directory, there is an interfaces file with NIC info. Is this the correct one? If so, what should it look like for static IP's and netmask? > > On Slackware, I did a "netconfig" and an interactive prompt came up. > > Thanks, appreciate any help on this. > > > -- > Shawn > > The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. > > Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Mon Jul 21 02:36:57 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Getting WinTV Go to work. In-Reply-To: <1058764870.1454.864.camel@3po> References: <20030719062657.GF925@techmonkeys.org> <1058632817.18992.5.camel@sd3.mailbank.com> <1058638576.1454.35.camel@3po> <1058646116.19142.11.camel@sd3.mailbank.com> <32845.192.168.2.236.1058646809.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> <1058764870.1454.864.camel@3po> Message-ID: <20030721073657.GJ925@techmonkeys.org> On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 12:21:10AM -0500, Mike Hicks wrote: > (Sidenote: Just because I'm throwing out these abbreviations doesn't > mean I understand any of them. It's sufficient to just know that one is > generally not compatible with another, though I guess I saw some hinting > that European DVB cards might work with U.S. cable and satellite stuff. > Maybe.) Hauppauge (The people who make the WinTV cards) also have a WinDVB card, there are also various other cards that work in the USA+Linux > > In theory, it wouldn't be too difficult to get MythTV or other PVR > software to handle digital TV streams, since it can already handle the > MPEG2 stream coming off of the WinTV PVR-250 and -350 (among others). > Of course, having enough CPU power to decode the MPEG2 stream would be a > challenge. Also, one big question is the availability of > Linux-compatible hardware that will merely pass the over-the-air (or > over-the-wire) stream directly to the system without unnecessary > transcoding. It's available, and iirc, patches have been written that make use of it in MythTV (I'm unsure of the status of those patches, or if they've been accepted into the CVS tree) > Someday, when processors are running in the tens of gigahertz, dedicated > hardware won't be needed because the GNU Radio project will then be able > to decode the various modulation schemes in realtime. But, that's quite > a while off.. My P233MMX can decode a 16mbit MPEG-2 stream under linux, no need for any terribly high end hardware. MythTV requires more power because it's time shifting, so it's reading from the tuner device, encoding to mjpeg or divx (if it's not from a hardware encoder), and writing out to a ring buffer while another thread is reading off that same ringbuffer, decoding it, then sending it to the video card. Eventually the ITVC15 MPEG-1/2 decoder on the WinTV PVR will be hashed out, and MythTV will be able to use it for video output, this will further lower the amount of CPU required for a decent PVR. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From iaustin at qbp.com Mon Jul 21 07:50:16 2003 From: iaustin at qbp.com (Ivan Austin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Permanent IP change Message-ID: <697D85C7B352D411964600D0B765C19B01F7C4F3@saddle.mn1.qbp.com> /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 Ivan -----Original Message----- From: Shawn To: TCLUG Sent: 7/20/03 10:30 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Permanent IP change Apologies on a simple question, but it's escaping my head right now, and I can't find an answer readily out of the the books I have in front of me. At the installfest, we got Debian running on my system. However, I need to make a network IP change to it. Currently, it's running DHCP. I need to make it a permanent static address. I know I can issue the command of: # ifconfig eth0 10.0.0.50 netmask 255.255.255.0 And this will assign the IP address. However, it's only good temporarily until the box is rebooted. What files/commands to I need to issue or modify to make this a permanent change? Looking in the /etc/network directory, there is an interfaces file with NIC info. Is this the correct one? If so, what should it look like for static IP's and netmask? On Slackware, I did a "netconfig" and an interactive prompt came up. Thanks, appreciate any help on this. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Mon Jul 21 08:00:04 2003 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Programming classes in the Twin Cities In-Reply-To: <006601c34e29$d6073c90$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <20030719170003.25314.61769.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> <33420.63.199.229.203.1058639512.squirrel@webmail.nerp.net> <006601c34e29$d6073c90$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20030721130004.GA10808@refried.org> On Sat, Jul 19, 2003 at 02:13:28PM -0500, David Phillips wrote: > Dan Willenbring writes: > > As long as you're correcting semantics and gathering sources, ''all'' > > of my computer science courses involved group work. In fact, quite a > > number of courses was nothing but a large, semester-long, group > > project. I received my degree from the University of St. Thomas. > > Interesting. I asked two people, who graduated with CS degrees from > different schools, and both said ``maybe 2-3''. It must vary widely from > school to school. Two people is not a sufficient sample size to make any conclusions from. Should you want to debate that point, I'll get up and grab my statistics book. I went to Clarkson University (in Potsdam, NY) and they really emphsized group work. I would say at least 50% of classes there had group projects. They were constantly looking for more ways to get people to work in groups because that is what companies recruiting there wanted. Nate _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From iaustin at qbp.com Mon Jul 21 08:01:08 2003 From: iaustin at qbp.com (Ivan Austin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Permanent IP change Message-ID: <697D85C7B352D411964600D0B765C19B01F7C4F5@saddle.mn1.qbp.com> sorry, didn't read closely enough.... I just saw Slack in my haste :) -----Original Message----- From: Ivan Austin To: 'Shawn '; 'TCLUG ' Sent: 7/21/03 7:50 AM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Permanent IP change /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 Ivan -----Original Message----- From: Shawn To: TCLUG Sent: 7/20/03 10:30 PM Subject: [TCLUG] Permanent IP change Apologies on a simple question, but it's escaping my head right now, and I can't find an answer readily out of the the books I have in front of me. At the installfest, we got Debian running on my system. However, I need to make a network IP change to it. Currently, it's running DHCP. I need to make it a permanent static address. I know I can issue the command of: # ifconfig eth0 10.0.0.50 netmask 255.255.255.0 And this will assign the IP address. However, it's only good temporarily until the box is rebooted. What files/commands to I need to issue or modify to make this a permanent change? Looking in the /etc/network directory, there is an interfaces file with NIC info. Is this the correct one? If so, what should it look like for static IP's and netmask? On Slackware, I did a "netconfig" and an interactive prompt came up. Thanks, appreciate any help on this. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Jul 21 08:20:40 2003 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Getting WinTV Go to work. In-Reply-To: <20030721073657.GJ925@techmonkeys.org> References: <20030719062657.GF925@techmonkeys.org> <1058632817.18992.5.camel@sd3.mailbank.com> <1058638576.1454.35.camel@3po> <1058646116.19142.11.camel@sd3.mailbank.com> <32845.192.168.2.236.1058646809.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> <1058764870.1454.864.camel@3po> <20030721073657.GJ925@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <1058793639.1454.938.camel@3po> On Mon, 2003-07-21 at 02:36, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > > Someday, when processors are running in the tens of gigahertz, dedicated > > hardware won't be needed because the GNU Radio project will then be able > > to decode the various modulation schemes in realtime. But, that's quite > > a while off.. > > My P233MMX can decode a 16mbit MPEG-2 stream under linux, no need for > any terribly high end hardware. MythTV requires more power because it's > time shifting, so it's reading from the tuner device, encoding to mjpeg > or divx (if it's not from a hardware encoder), and writing out to a ring > buffer while another thread is reading off that same ringbuffer, decoding > it, then sending it to the video card. Er, well, I was referring to the difficulty of demodulating digital transmissions in 8VSB, QAM64, QAM128, etc., which is an entirely different problem. If MPEG2 decoding has gotten so good, I'm pretty amazed -- one of the big reasons I had for upgrading to my 1.3GHz system (which was pretty top-of-the-line at the time) was because I couldn't adequately play movies on my 350 MHz AMD K6-2 (but it's entirely possible that the Pentium chip could outperform the my old AMD chip if floating-point decoding is used..) > Eventually the ITVC15 MPEG-1/2 decoder on the WinTV PVR will be hashed out, > and MythTV will be able to use it for video output, this will further lower > the amount of CPU required for a decent PVR. Definitely. A user with that setup would have something very much like a real TiVo, and I recall that they have processors in the range of 50-150 MHz (maybe a little faster). Of course, this also means that CPU power for doing anything else is pretty limited, and decoding most non-MPEG1/2 material would probably be difficult. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I saw a subliminal / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ advertising executive, but \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) only for a second. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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My purpose was to refute the notion that ``most classes also involve a group project'', which clearly is not the case for all schools. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Mon Jul 21 10:28:23 2003 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question about kudzu (?) Message-ID: <16156.1687.56491.866079@gargle.gargle.HOWL> I've got a Mandrake system on a Laptop. The laptop has a second battery that can go in an expansion slot. Otherwise, I've got a CD-RW there. Everytime I boot, with the disk out, the boot process stops and asks if I want to reconfigure the drive, since it's been removed. I bloody well don't! And if I hit return by mistake, it just removes the drive, making several bits of software confused. Anyone know a workaround? Thanks, R _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dsherman at real-time.com Mon Jul 21 10:36:42 2003 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question about kudzu (?) In-Reply-To: <16156.1687.56491.866079@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <16156.1687.56491.866079@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <3F1C088A.8040201@real-time.com> rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > I've got a Mandrake system on a Laptop. The laptop has a second > battery that can go in an expansion slot. Otherwise, I've got a CD-RW > there. Everytime I boot, with the disk out, the boot process stops > and asks if I want to reconfigure the drive, since it's been removed. > I bloody well don't! And if I hit return by mistake, it just removes > the drive, making several bits of software confused. Anyone know a > workaround? Not necessarily a workaround, but if I remember correctly, there is an option to ignore the change, and it will leave the configuration in place and not bother you any more. I used to get that message when I plugged a mouse into my laptop. You could also disable the kudzu service in Mandrake Control Center, and it will never check for new hardware during bootup. This option actually works for me because I do not use any swappable devices - both the floppy and DVD/CD-RW are integrated. -- Dave Sherman - MCSE, MCSA, CCNA Beware the wrath of dragons, for you are crunchy, and good with ketchup. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From STEVEWABC at netscape.net Mon Jul 21 10:47:52 2003 From: STEVEWABC at netscape.net (STEVEWABC@netscape.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where to learn? Message-ID: <1AC90972.04F4DB74.026842C8@netscape.net> Hello everyone To get a real good Quick Start go to your local book store and get the magazine called THE COMPLETE LINUX HAND BOOK ITS 250 PAGES. I want to say its like $13.00, it will cover the real basics of linux and most of the Programs you will use, and How to use them. Covers Getting Started, Working World (open office), Funtime (mount ups, Scanners,USB cameras,Gimp,CD Burning), Web Server(Apsche,Mail servers), Mozilla, Programing and Etc.. A vary nice Starting point... Then I like to use the Complete Referance Linux 5th Edition.. Covers Redhat, Mandrake, SuSE, and Debian I think its about 1100 Pages also One more helpful tool is the "Linx Desk Reference" it will cover 90% of the comands you will use with examples... Hope this will Help... Brian wrote: >On Sun, 20 Jul 2003, K B wrote: > >> 1) Where should I start in learning Linux, should I start with the command prompt (bash, etc) or should I start with the GUI? (I've found I can't do everything from GUI...like mount the FAT32 and NTFS partitions RH still can't find...but it sees the hardware) > >What do you want linux to do for you? If you want to understand how stuff >works like automounting partitions and files sytem modification, you need >command line help. If you want everything to just happen without >understanding how or why, GUI is a good place to start. > >> 2) What books should I pick up? Any older ones, or anything generic? I'm currently using RH 9.0, and probably will reinstall Mandrake 9.1 on my laptop shortly (next quarter at Brown College is Linux..Mandrake on Mac or RH on PCs) > >For Redhat, I highly suggest Running Redhat Linux from O'Reilly. > >> 3) What site(s) are best for continuing knowledge? linuxnewbies.org >(whatever it is, I've been there before), etc > >www.tldp.org is always a good site, www.linux.org, and your local library. > >> 4) Any free/cheap classes/courses around the cities that anybody knows >> of? I saw some sheets at the installfest...I guess I should've grabbed >> 'em. Anything we can do at a beer meeting, or installfest, or else >> maybe as another event? I know I could handle 5-15 here at my house, if >> needed. > >Usually if you need help with anything, a post here and a case of beer is >all you need for front door tech support service. > >> I know there's a bunch of us who've worked with computers for a while, >> and we love Linux, or at least, as much as we know. We just need help >> getting started, and there's soooo much info out there, with no clue >> where to start. > >It's been awhile so I forget how to get started the right way on linux. I >know stuff just because I broke things, re-installed dozens of times, >learned lots of things that didn't work, etc. This LUG and www.tldp.org >are probably my biggest resources when it comes to linux. You're at an >advantage because there's a ton of good books (O'Reilly publishing >most of them) about every subject in linux. > >-Brian > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Mon Jul 21 12:04:14 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question about kudzu (?) In-Reply-To: <16156.1687.56491.866079@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 rpgoldman@real-time.com wrote: > Everytime I boot, with the disk out, the boot process stops and asks if > I want to reconfigure the drive, since it's been removed. I bloody well > don't! Funny, this just came up on #tcgeeks this morning. The general consensus seemed to be in favor of disabling kudzu at startup. 1. get your hardware set up the way you want it 2. run `/sbin/chkconfig --level 2345 kudzu off` 3. enjoy complaint-free booting If you ever need to add/remove hardware, you can always run kudzu manually. Hopefully that's what you were looking for. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Mon Jul 21 12:48:23 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Getting WinTV Go to work. In-Reply-To: <1058793639.1454.938.camel@3po> References: <20030719062657.GF925@techmonkeys.org> <1058632817.18992.5.camel@sd3.mailbank.com> <1058638576.1454.35.camel@3po> <1058646116.19142.11.camel@sd3.mailbank.com> <32845.192.168.2.236.1058646809.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> <1058764870.1454.864.camel@3po> <20030721073657.GJ925@techmonkeys.org> <1058793639.1454.938.camel@3po> Message-ID: <20030721174823.GK925@techmonkeys.org> On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 08:20:40AM -0500, Mike Hicks wrote: > Er, well, I was referring to the difficulty of demodulating digital > transmissions in 8VSB, QAM64, QAM128, etc., which is an entirely > different problem. Ah, well nobody does that in software (yet), the DVB cards just provide you with a multi-channel MPEG-2 stream, you grab the channel you want from that stream and discard the rest (or do PiP/recording/whatever) > If MPEG2 decoding has gotten so good, I'm pretty amazed -- one of the > big reasons I had for upgrading to my 1.3GHz system (which was pretty > top-of-the-line at the time) was because I couldn't adequately play > movies on my 350 MHz AMD K6-2 (but it's entirely possible that the > Pentium chip could outperform the my old AMD chip if floating-point > decoding is used..) K6-2 350 is adequate, I've done my testing with mplayer, the biggest slowdown was having a video card that supported overlays and a few other things. (I tossed a GeForce 2 PCI in there) -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Mon Jul 21 16:35:35 2003 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] question about kudzu (?) In-Reply-To: <3F1C088A.8040201@real-time.com> References: <16156.1687.56491.866079@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <3F1C088A.8040201@real-time.com> Message-ID: <16156.23719.249468.515706@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Thanks, Dave! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kcbnac at myrealbox.com Mon Jul 21 18:36:36 2003 From: kcbnac at myrealbox.com (kcbnac) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:35 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backup of GRUB Message-ID: <3F1C7904.2000607@myrealbox.com> I have Grub installed as bootloader for RH 9, and MS Windows (which launches it's own menu- 98 or XP) I have to reinstall XP, so how do I make a back-up of my current Grub setup, and restore it once XP is done doing it's damage to the MBR? Or do I need to do an 'upgrade existing Linux installation' from RH 9 to RH 9 to get it to overwrite the MBR? Thanks! Keith Bachman _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kcbnac at myrealbox.com Mon Jul 21 18:46:39 2003 From: kcbnac at myrealbox.com (kcbnac) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Q's Message-ID: <3F1C7B5F.4030802@myrealbox.com> At the installfest, I was told that most games could be run under Linux. Here's a quick list of the games I can think of. What's all needed to get them running? Baldur's Gate Original Saga: Tales of the Sword Coast Tribes 2 Star Trek: Voyager: Elite Force Star Wars: Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II The Sims Soldier of Fortune II: Double Helix Star Trek: Deep Space Nine: Dominion Wars Star Trek: Armada Star Trek: Birth of the Federation Command and Conquer (all- Original, Red Alert, Tiberian Sun, Renegade) Starcraft Half Life + mods Anybody open over the next few weekends to come up and help me, or at your place with (hopefully) high speed connection (I'm on dialup) for any downloads needed? (Will give money for wonderful volunteer to buy self drinks, I'm only 18) Also, I would like to get my FAT32 and NTFS partitions mounted, so I can at least have read-only access to them. I tried to get the Internet connection sharing (setting up other comps as me as their gateway) didn't work. Not sure what all it would take, but that's the third and last thing I can think of right now that I'd need help with. Thanks much! Keith Bachman _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kcbnac at myrealbox.com Mon Jul 21 18:51:12 2003 From: kcbnac at myrealbox.com (kcbnac) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sound Message-ID: <3F1C7C70.2030000@myrealbox.com> One last question...my sound works intermitently, about every other boot I get the various sounds to work. Tuxracer has never given me any sound at all, however. Not sure what's all the problem. I have the AC97 codec sound card, and it worked fine for the mp3 that poptix played, as well as the maximize/minimize sounds I had set for a while. Any clue? Thanks! Keith _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Mon Jul 21 20:43:10 2003 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (webmaster@mn-linux.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A new classified ad at TCLUG Classifieds Message-ID: <200307220143.h6M1hAo16399@crusader.real-time.com> A new TCLUG classified ad at was placed Mon Jul 21 20:43:10 2003. Name: Scot Jenkins Category: computersell Subject: network gear Ad: 3COM PCMCIA X-Jack 56k Winmodem, model: 3CXM356...............$15 Linksys Cable/DSL router/firewall, model: BEFSR11.............$45 Linksys 8 port switch, model: EZXS88W.........................$45 Linksys PCI 10/100 network card, model: LNE100TX NEW..........$10 Linksys PCMCIA 10/100 Network card w/ dongle, model: DFE-650...$40 parallel printer A/B switch box, 3 DB 25 female ports.........$5 change spamme 2 scot 4 email To view this and other ads at TCLUG Classifieds, please visit: http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Mon Jul 21 21:32:16 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Q's In-Reply-To: <3F1C7B5F.4030802@myrealbox.com> References: <3F1C7B5F.4030802@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Jul 2003, kcbnac wrote: > At the installfest, I was told that most games could be run under > Linux. Here's a quick list of the games I can think of. What's all > needed to get them running? did you check the wine known working database? it has most of these titles in it with ratings from 0-5 right now i can tell you that BaldursGate, The Sims, StarCraft and Half-Life WILL work under wine the rest i am not sure about. at any rate you will most likely have better luck subscribing to WineX from transgaming. Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET - http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Mon Jul 21 22:03:36 2003 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backup of GRUB In-Reply-To: <3F1C7904.2000607@myrealbox.com> References: <3F1C7904.2000607@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <1058843016.17470.17.camel@cesium> On Mon, 2003-07-21 at 18:36, kcbnac wrote: > I have Grub installed as bootloader for RH 9, and MS Windows (which > launches it's own menu- 98 or XP) I have to reinstall XP, so how do I > make a back-up of my current Grub setup, and restore it once XP is done > doing it's damage to the MBR? Or do I need to do an 'upgrade existing > Linux installation' from RH 9 to RH 9 to get it to overwrite the MBR? > Thanks! > > Keith Bachman GRUB keeps its configuration in the /boot directory (often times this is its own partition) as long as you don't nuke that the config should be fine. You will just need a boot disk to be able to get back into the linux system to re-install GRUB on the MBR. I don't remember the commands off the top of my head but I belive they are something along the lines of the following... (DON'T ENTER THE STUFF AFTER THE ##, it's a comment) As root type: root@yourbox:# grub grub> find /boot/grub/stage1 grub> root (hd0,0) ##set hd0,0 to the output of the find command grub> setup (hd0) (stuff should output the othe screen) grub> exit That should re-install it, just know that GRUB's device syntax differs from Linux's (hda1=hd0,0 hdb3=hd1,2). for more info on GRUB, type: info grub Hope that at least gets you in the right direction. -- The Wandering Dru _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Mon Jul 21 23:21:28 2003 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backup of GRUB In-Reply-To: <3F1C7904.2000607@myrealbox.com> References: <3F1C7904.2000607@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <20030722042128.GA28443@iucha.net> On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 06:36:36PM -0500, kcbnac wrote: > I have Grub installed as bootloader for RH 9, and MS Windows (which > launches it's own menu- 98 or XP) I have to reinstall XP, so how do I > make a back-up of my current Grub setup, and restore it once XP is done > doing it's damage to the MBR? Or do I need to do an 'upgrade existing > Linux installation' from RH 9 to RH 9 to get it to overwrite the MBR? You don't need to back it up. Just make a grub floppy disk (with grub-floppy) and make note of the contents of /boot/grub/menu.lst (print it or write it down). Reinstall XP, then boot with the floppy, when you get the grub console enter the information that you got from /boot/grub/menu.lst then you can boot into linux. For instance if you have linux boot/root on /dev/hda3 enter root (hd0,2) kernel /boot/vmlinu$whatever root=/dev/hda3 boot Note: at step 2, if you don't know the exact name, grub has filename completion, so TAB away... After you got in linux, reinstall grub. grub setup (hd0) Cheers, florin -- "NT is to UNIX what a doughnut is to a particle accelerator." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Just make a grub floppy disk (with > grub-floppy) and make note of the contents of /boot/grub/menu.lst > (print it or write it down). I suspect this could be made even easier by doing: # insert blank floppy, run as root: `grub-install /dev/fd0` # shutdown, install windows # boot off floppy; should give you grub splash screen # log in as root again and run: `grub-install /dev/hda` That ought to get grub back in place. Anyone is welcome to correct me if I'm wrong. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jrasmussen0 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 22 09:20:49 2003 From: jrasmussen0 at yahoo.com (Jeffrey Rasmussen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Permanent IP change In-Reply-To: <20030721061200.9841.44944.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030722142049.35734.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> You can also install etherconf to set up static and dynamic addresses. apt-get install etherconf If you ever need to change the static IP addresses you will need to: dpkg-reconfigure etherconf Jeff Rasmussen > Message: 11 > Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 22:30:14 -0500 > From: Shawn > To: TCLUG > Subject: [TCLUG] Permanent IP change > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Apologies on a simple question, but it's escaping my head right > now, and I can't find an answer readily out of the the books I have > in front of me. > > At the installfest, we got Debian running on my system. However, > I need to make a network IP change to it. Currently, it's running > DHCP. I need to make it a permanent static address. > > I know I can issue the command of: > # ifconfig eth0 10.0.0.50 netmask 255.255.255.0 > > And this will assign the IP address. However, it's only good > temporarily until the box is rebooted. What files/commands to I > need to issue or modify to make this a permanent change? > > Looking in the /etc/network directory, there is an interfaces > file with NIC info. Is this the correct one? If so, what should > it look like for static IP's and netmask? > > On Slackware, I did a "netconfig" and an interactive prompt came > up. > > Thanks, appreciate any help on this. > > > -- > Shawn > > The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. > > Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kcbnac at myrealbox.com Tue Jul 22 09:21:27 2003 From: kcbnac at myrealbox.com (kcbnac) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backup of GRUB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F1D4867.4020907@myrealbox.com> Jima wrote: >On Mon, 21 Jul 2003, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > >>On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 06:36:36PM -0500, kcbnac wrote: >> >> >>>I have Grub installed as bootloader for RH 9, and MS Windows (which >>>launches it's own menu- 98 or XP) I have to reinstall XP, so how do I >>>make a back-up of my current Grub setup, and restore it once XP is done >>>doing it's damage to the MBR? Or do I need to do an 'upgrade existing >>>Linux installation' from RH 9 to RH 9 to get it to overwrite the MBR? >>> >>> >>You don't need to back it up. Just make a grub floppy disk (with >>grub-floppy) and make note of the contents of /boot/grub/menu.lst >>(print it or write it down). >> >> > > I suspect this could be made even easier by doing: > ># insert blank floppy, run as root: > >`grub-install /dev/fd0` > ># shutdown, install windows ># boot off floppy; should give you grub splash screen ># log in as root again and run: > >`grub-install /dev/hda` > > That ought to get grub back in place. Anyone is welcome to correct me if >I'm wrong. > > Jima > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > Well, that sounds the easiest, Jima, and being that my Linux skills are slim, I think it's my best chance. Thanks! Keith _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kcbnac at myrealbox.com Tue Jul 22 09:43:46 2003 From: kcbnac at myrealbox.com (kcbnac) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backup of GRUB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F1D4DA2.5040008@myrealbox.com> Jima wrote: >On Mon, 21 Jul 2003, Florin Iucha wrote: > > > >>On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 06:36:36PM -0500, kcbnac wrote: >> >> >>>I have Grub installed as bootloader for RH 9, and MS Windows (which >>>launches it's own menu- 98 or XP) I have to reinstall XP, so how do I >>>make a back-up of my current Grub setup, and restore it once XP is done >>>doing it's damage to the MBR? Or do I need to do an 'upgrade existing >>>Linux installation' from RH 9 to RH 9 to get it to overwrite the MBR? >>> >>> >>You don't need to back it up. Just make a grub floppy disk (with >>grub-floppy) and make note of the contents of /boot/grub/menu.lst >>(print it or write it down). >> >> > > I suspect this could be made even easier by doing: > ># insert blank floppy, run as root: > >`grub-install /dev/fd0` > ># shutdown, install windows ># boot off floppy; should give you grub splash screen ># log in as root again and run: > >`grub-install /dev/hda` > > That ought to get grub back in place. Anyone is welcome to correct me if >I'm wrong. > > Jima > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > Problem: [root@localhost keith]# /grub-install /dev/fd0 bash: /grub-install: No such file or directory [root@localhost keith]# Do I need to be in a certain folder or anything, for grub-install to work? I'm running RH 9.0. Keith _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Tue Jul 22 09:48:04 2003 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backup of GRUB In-Reply-To: <3F1D4DA2.5040008@myrealbox.com> References: <3F1D4DA2.5040008@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <20030722144804.GC28443@iucha.net> On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 09:43:46AM -0500, kcbnac wrote: > Jima wrote: > >`grub-install /dev/fd0` > Problem: > [root@localhost keith]# /grub-install /dev/fd0 > bash: /grub-install: No such file or directory Well, duh! Lose the / grub-install /dev/fd0 Every character you type can and will be used against you! Cheers, florin -- "NT is to UNIX what a doughnut is to a particle accelerator." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Good luck, Troy >>> kcbnac@myrealbox.com 07/22/03 09:43AM >>> ># insert blank floppy, run as root: > >`grub-install /dev/fd0` > ># shutdown, install windows ># boot off floppy; should give you grub splash screen ># log in as root again and run: > >`grub-install /dev/hda` Problem: [root@localhost keith]# /grub-install /dev/fd0 bash: /grub-install: No such file or directory [root@localhost keith]# Do I need to be in a certain folder or anything, for grub-install to work? I'm running RH 9.0. Keith _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Tue Jul 22 10:47:28 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:36 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backup of GRUB In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, Troy.A Johnson wrote: > The program is located at "/sbin/grub-install" > on Red Hat 9 and so you should run: > > # /sbin/grub-install /dev/fd0 > > if "/sbin/" is not in your root user's > path for some reason. This is a good point to bring up. With the default configuration of RedHat (and probably most distros), if you log in as root or use `su -`, it'll load root's environment, including putting /sbin & /usr/sbin in the $PATH. If you use `sudo` or just `su`, though, it won't load the environment, and programs in /sbin and /usr/sbin won't run without the full path (i.e., /usr/sbin/program). This was news to a few people at the installfest, and to this day catches me on occasion. Possible solutions: a) log in directly as root b) use `su -` c) add /sbin & /usr/sbin to your $PATH d) be prepared to type full paths a lot Just thought I'd throw that out there. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jspinti at dartdist.com Tue Jul 22 11:12:27 2003 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backup of GRUB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200307221112.27201.jspinti@dartdist.com> On Tuesday 22 July 2003 10:47 am, Jima wrote: >> This is a good point to bring up. With the default configuration of > RedHat (and probably most distros), if you log in as root or use `su -`, > it'll load root's environment, including putting /sbin & /usr/sbin in > the $PATH. If you use `sudo` or just `su`, though, it won't load the > environment, and programs in /sbin and /usr/sbin won't run without the > full path (i.e., /usr/sbin/program). This was news to a few people at > the installfest, and to this day catches me on occasion. > Possible solutions: > > a) log in directly as root > b) use `su -` > c) add /sbin & /usr/sbin to your $PATH > d) be prepared to type full paths a lot OR use tab completion :) -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 396 fax 952-368-3255 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Tue Jul 22 11:40:22 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Permanent IP change References: <20030722142049.35734.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001701c3506f$f22cf390$4d00960a@corpnet.lawson.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Rasmussen" > You can also install etherconf to set up static and dynamic > addresses. > > apt-get install etherconf > > If you ever need to change the static IP addresses you will need to: > > dpkg-reconfigure etherconf > Interesting. Seems easier to modify the /etc/network/interfaces file... Thanks though, still trying to figure out Debian. Thanks for the answers everyone _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Tue Jul 22 11:44:38 2003 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backup of GRUB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030722114438.A7269@baker.space.umn.edu> On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 10:47:28AM -0500, Jima wrote: > This is a good point to bring up. With the default configuration of > RedHat (and probably most distros), if you log in as root or use `su -`, > it'll load root's environment, including putting /sbin & /usr/sbin in the > $PATH. If you use `sudo` or just `su`, though, it won't load the > environment, and programs in /sbin and /usr/sbin won't run without the > full path (i.e., /usr/sbin/program). This was news to a few people at the > installfest, and to this day catches me on occasion. Well, this is not true for Debian at least. With Debian, sudo and su seem to load the root's path settings. 14(plasma) jcrumley% which fdisk fdisk: Command not found. 15(plasma) jcrumley% sudo fdisk Usage: fdisk [-l] [-b SSZ] [-u] device E.g.: fdisk /dev/hda (for the first IDE disk) or: fdisk /dev/sdc (for the third SCSI disk) or: fdisk /dev/eda (for the first PS/2 ESDI drive) or: fdisk /dev/rd/c0d0 or: fdisk /dev/ida/c0d0 (for RAID devices) ... 16(plasma) jcrumley% sudo which fdisk /sbin/fdisk -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Tue Jul 22 11:49:43 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] $PATH in X vs cli? Message-ID: <200307221149.43309@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> When I log into boxA via cli, I get this: PATH=/staff/tanner/bin:/usr/libexec/ccache/bin:/usr/libexec/distcc/bin:/usr/local/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin But when I log in via X PATH=/usr/libexec/ccache/bin:/usr/libexec/distcc/bin:/usr/libexec/ccache/bin:/usr/libexec/distcc/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/local/bin:/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/java/j2sdk1.4.1//bin Where in the X login sequence does it [re]set the PATH? (sorry for the report, I typo'd this and sent it to tclug-devel first) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amoore at loneoakmn.com Tue Jul 22 13:36:35 2003 From: amoore at loneoakmn.com (Andy Moore) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Permanent IP change In-Reply-To: <001701c3506f$f22cf390$4d00960a@corpnet.lawson.com> References: <20030722142049.35734.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> <001701c3506f$f22cf390$4d00960a@corpnet.lawson.com> Message-ID: <3F1D8433.4050105@loneoakmn.com> Shawn wrote: > >Interesting. Seems easier to modify the /etc/network/interfaces file... > > Spoken like a true "Slackhead". ;-) ---- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amoore at loneoakmn.com Tue Jul 22 13:41:16 2003 From: amoore at loneoakmn.com (Andy Moore) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backup of GRUB In-Reply-To: <20030722114438.A7269@baker.space.umn.edu> References: <20030722114438.A7269@baker.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3F1D854C.1060107@loneoakmn.com> Jim Crumley wrote: >On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 10:47:28AM -0500, Jima wrote: > > >> This is a good point to bring up. With the default configuration of >>RedHat (and probably most distros), if you log in as root or use `su -`, >>it'll load root's environment, including putting /sbin & /usr/sbin in the >>$PATH. If you use `sudo` or just `su`, though, it won't load the >>environment, and programs in /sbin and /usr/sbin won't run without the >>full path (i.e., /usr/sbin/program). This was news to a few people at the >>installfest, and to this day catches me on occasion. >> >> > >Well, this is not true for Debian at least. With Debian, sudo and >su seem to load the root's path settings. > >14(plasma) jcrumley% which fdisk >fdisk: Command not found. >15(plasma) jcrumley% sudo fdisk > >Usage: fdisk [-l] [-b SSZ] [-u] device >E.g.: fdisk /dev/hda (for the first IDE disk) > or: fdisk /dev/sdc (for the third SCSI disk) > or: fdisk /dev/eda (for the first PS/2 ESDI drive) > or: fdisk /dev/rd/c0d0 or: fdisk /dev/ida/c0d0 (for RAID devices) > ... >16(plasma) jcrumley% sudo which fdisk >/sbin/fdisk > > > > Of all the distros I've tried (and that's quite a few), Redhat is the only that exhibits this behavior. I always just considered it an extra little (annoying)security "feature". All this does is keep your average user from accidentally screwing something up by sudo-ing a command they have no clue how to use. I still just found it annoying. ---- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Tue Jul 22 16:28:13 2003 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (webmaster@mn-linux.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A new classified ad at TCLUG Classifieds Message-ID: <200307222128.h6MLSDc28634@crusader.real-time.com> A new TCLUG classified ad at was placed Tue Jul 22 16:28:12 2003. Name: Don Category: computerwanted Subject: Wanted: Modem, & SCSI hd Ad: Please include price and description Wanted: 56K hardware modem, and a SCSI hd (I only have a two gig. now). To view this and other ads at TCLUG Classifieds, please visit: http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Jul 22 19:37:13 2003 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:37 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sound In-Reply-To: <3F1C7C70.2030000@myrealbox.com> References: <3F1C7C70.2030000@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <1058920632.1454.943.camel@3po> On Mon, 2003-07-21 at 18:51, kcbnac wrote: > One last question...my sound works intermitently, about every other boot > I get the various sounds to work. Tuxracer has never given me any sound > at all, however. Not sure what's all the problem. I have the AC97 > codec sound card, and it worked fine for the mp3 that poptix played, as > well as the maximize/minimize sounds I had set for a while. Any clue? Hmm, it would be a bit weird for this to happen, but maybe the sound card only works when the system is cold-booted, or maybe it only works after the system has been restarted. If you have a dual-boot system, previously running Windows might have an effect. Try (re)starting in a few different ways and see if there's any consistent behavior. Of course, I haven't seen anything behave like this for a long time, so hopefully it won't just end up being a lot of work for nothing... -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Oxymoron: Random order / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have the AC97 > > codec sound card, and it worked fine for the mp3 that poptix played, as > > well as the maximize/minimize sounds I had set for a while. Any clue? > > Hmm, it would be a bit weird for this to happen, but maybe the sound > card only works when the system is cold-booted, or maybe it only works > after the system has been restarted. If you have a dual-boot system, > previously running Windows might have an effect. > > Try (re)starting in a few different ways and see if there's any > consistent behavior. Of course, I haven't seen anything behave like > this for a long time, so hopefully it won't just end up being a lot of > work for nothing... IIRC, his machine uses the i810_audio module, it was auto detected, but the module may not be loading until he actually does something. Of course, the volume could just be turned down. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Tue Jul 22 20:56:58 2003 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (webmaster@mn-linux.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A new classified ad at TCLUG Classifieds Message-ID: <200307230156.h6N1uwc31713@crusader.real-time.com> A new TCLUG classified ad at was placed Tue Jul 22 20:56:58 2003. Name: JoeyT Category: computersell Subject: Proliant 2500 with RAID and 2 4.3 UW Hds Ad: Have a Compaq Proliant 2500 tower server. Has a Smart 2/p RAID controller, 2 4.3GBUW HDs, 256MB of RAM, PPro 200MHz 256k, and some sort of multiport serial card(can't remember what it is). Looking to get 175 for it. Can toss in a 12/24 DDS drive, untested. To view this and other ads at TCLUG Classifieds, please visit: http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Tue Jul 22 21:25:36 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Permanent IP change In-Reply-To: <3F1D8433.4050105@loneoakmn.com> References: <20030722142049.35734.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> <001701c3506f$f22cf390$4d00960a@corpnet.lawson.com> <3F1D8433.4050105@loneoakmn.com> Message-ID: <20030722212536.64bab557.sfertch@real-time.com> On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 13:36:35 -0500 Andy Moore wrote: > Shawn wrote: > > > > >Interesting. Seems easier to modify the /etc/network/interfaces > >file... > > > > > Spoken like a true "Slackhead". ;-) > Ahh, you know it. =) Wanted to learn Debian, as I wanted to expand my horizons some. Not all places run Slack, but they should!!! ;) Heck, I'm having a hard time getting my workplace to think of Linux as a viable alternative... Not having any luck, even though we have about 10 aging HP's that would fit the bill perfectly! Just gotta figure out how to do a Slack install and incorporate LVM into it like what Chad showed me... Well, Raid and LVM. Unfortunately I don't have any Raid controllers. =( -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Tue Jul 22 21:30:56 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backup of GRUB In-Reply-To: <3F1D854C.1060107@loneoakmn.com> References: <20030722114438.A7269@baker.space.umn.edu> <3F1D854C.1060107@loneoakmn.com> Message-ID: <20030722213056.55f6fd30.sfertch@real-time.com> On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 13:41:16 -0500 Andy Moore wrote: > Of all the distros I've tried (and that's quite a few), Redhat is the > only that exhibits this behavior. I always just considered it an > extra little (annoying)security "feature". All this does is keep your > average user from accidentally screwing something up by sudo-ing a > command they have no clue how to use. I still just found it annoying. > Even the big "Unix" boys (HP, Solaris, AIX, Tru64) require full pathing to some degree whether it be a sudo or plain su. Only if you did a "su -" did you get the variables loaded of the id. Sudo never (unless you specificly set your own pathing). I like it. It keeps people from doing things they shouldn't. Causes problems at times though, because many people forget about the pathing or had no idea about the "-" on the su. For the record, I use the "-" every time I su. I want to see what that id is loading, and supposed to act like. Particularly when users are having problems.... Besides, I'm lazy and don't like to fully qualify a path if I don't have to. ;) -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Jul 22 23:08:34 2003 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] accessing an unrecognized drive Message-ID: Is it possible in linux to access a drive that isn't rrecognized by the BIOS? I have a hard disk that for whatever reason isn't being recognized, and I want to get some data off before it goes in the trash. -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Tue Jul 22 23:22:00 2003 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:38 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] accessing an unrecognized drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030723042200.GB1632@iucha.net> On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 11:08:34PM -0500, Brian wrote: > Is it possible in linux to access a drive that isn't rrecognized by the > BIOS? Yes. Linux does not use the bios. > I have a hard disk that for whatever reason isn't being recognized, and I > want to get some data off before it goes in the trash. Make sure you mount it read-only or you dd the image off it. Don't write anything to it. 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If it doesn't show up as /dev/hdc am I screwed? -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Wed Jul 23 10:54:48 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] accessing an unrecognized drive In-Reply-To: References: <20030723042200.GB1632@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20030723155448.GG21442@autonomous.tv> On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 08:48:28AM -0500, Brian wrote: >On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, Florin Iucha wrote: > >> Yes. Linux does not use the bios. > >Really? > >> Make sure you mount it read-only or you dd the image off it. Don't >> write anything to it. > >How do I mount it? It won't show up as /dev/hdc where I have it >installed, I assumed because the BIOS didn't see it. If it doesn't show >up as /dev/hdc am I screwed? You may want to grep dmesg and see what it found during boot up. Something along the lines of: dmesg|grep hd should be sufficient to see what linux found for /dev/hd* stuff. This of course assumes it is IDE, if you are using scsi you will want to look for sd instead of hd. Also, double check you cables and jumpers. -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Wed Jul 23 11:46:09 2003 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (webmaster@mn-linux.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A new classified ad at TCLUG Classifieds Message-ID: <200307231646.h6NGk9R06886@crusader.real-time.com> A new TCLUG classified ad at was placed Wed Jul 23 11:46:09 2003. Name: Marty Olson Category: computersell Subject: Hardware for sale Ad: I have 9GB's ($30) and 36GB's (100) each. these are Cheetah's, practically new. I also have adaptec 29160 scsi controllers with adapters (combo for $110 each), 3U rackmount case ($155), plus complete server systems and lots of other stuff. I think the pricing is pretty close to less than what you'd pay at pricewatch.com, the quality is there, and there's no shipping. To view this and other ads at TCLUG Classifieds, please visit: http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From myok at ogzr.org Wed Jul 23 11:58:26 2003 From: myok at ogzr.org (Carl Patten) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Linux Q's In-Reply-To: <3F1C7B5F.4030802@myrealbox.com> References: <3F1C7B5F.4030802@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <1058979506.1041.8.camel@herbie.doomnode.net> I'll comment on the ones I've had running: On Mon, 2003-07-21 at 18:46, kcbnac wrote: > At the installfest, I was told that most games could be run under > Linux. Here's a quick list of the games I can think of. What's all > needed to get them running? > Tribes 2 Native Linux client was developed and sold by Loki Games. I've heard it's out of print now. > Starcraft Works under Wine. Better performance under WineX. A considerable portion of the Linux community has issues with Transgaming, the makers of WineX, due to their history with the Wine project. > Half Life + mods It's been ages since I tried this under Wine. At the time the graphics were messed up. Check the Wine web site for latest status. -- Carl Patten _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amy at real-time.com Wed Jul 23 11:53:30 2003 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kernel compile options under vmware Message-ID: <20030723165329.GB2112@real-time.com> I've got a linux guest OS under vmware. When compiling a new kernel, which compile options do I need to get the networking to work? I have CONFIG_PCNET32=y but I must be missing something. Also, if anyone has a list of the vmware-specific options I need for a linux guest OS (like CONFIG_SCSI_BUSLOGIC), that'd be great. I looked around on the vmware site and google, but couldn't find anything. Thank you. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jul 23 12:03:45 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kernel compile options under vmware In-Reply-To: <20030723165329.GB2112@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, Amy Tanner wrote: > I've got a linux guest OS under vmware. When compiling a new kernel, > which compile options do I need to get the networking to work? I have > CONFIG_PCNET32=y but I must be missing something. Hrm, pcnet32 should be all you need -- when you boot the kernel with that, what do you see in dmesg related to that device? May be easier to play with as a module. > Also, if anyone has a list of the vmware-specific options I need for a > linux guest OS (like CONFIG_SCSI_BUSLOGIC), that'd be great. I looked > around on the vmware site and google, but couldn't find anything. First thing I usually do when setting up a new VMWare Linux guest is delete the SCSI drive they automatically set up and change it to IDE. Why they do SCSI, I have no idea.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Wed Jul 23 12:56:22 2003 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (webmaster@mn-linux.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A new classified ad at TCLUG Classifieds Message-ID: <200307231756.h6NHuMc07688@crusader.real-time.com> A new TCLUG classified ad at was placed Wed Jul 23 12:56:22 2003. Name: Marty Olson Category: computersell Subject: Hardware for sale Ad: I have 9GB's ($30) and 36GB's (100) each. these are Cheetah's, practically new. I also have adaptec 29160 scsi controllers with adapters (combo for $110 each), 3U rackmount case ($155), plus complete server systems and lots of other stuff. I think the pricing is pretty close to less than what you'd pay at pricewatch.com, the quality is there, and there's no shipping. To view this and other ads at TCLUG Classifieds, please visit: http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amy at real-time.com Wed Jul 23 13:34:12 2003 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kernel compile options under vmware In-Reply-To: References: <20030723165329.GB2112@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030723183410.GC2112@real-time.com> On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 12:03:45PM -0500, Nate Carlson (natecars@real-time.com) wrote: > On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, Amy Tanner wrote: > > I've got a linux guest OS under vmware. When compiling a new kernel, > > which compile options do I need to get the networking to work? I have > > CONFIG_PCNET32=y but I must be missing something. > > Hrm, pcnet32 should be all you need -- when you boot the kernel with that, > what do you see in dmesg related to that device? May be easier to play > with as a module. It turns out dhcp just wasn't working and I couldn't figure out why. I installed pump and that grabbed a dhcp address fine. Wierd - it was working fine with the other kernel. > > Also, if anyone has a list of the vmware-specific options I need for a > > linux guest OS (like CONFIG_SCSI_BUSLOGIC), that'd be great. I looked > > around on the vmware site and google, but couldn't find anything. > > First thing I usually do when setting up a new VMWare Linux guest is > delete the SCSI drive they automatically set up and change it to IDE. Why > they do SCSI, I have no idea.. How do you do that? I thought they picked the drivers due to stability. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jspinti at dartdist.com Wed Jul 23 13:46:10 2003 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Current Poll on tclug web site Message-ID: <200307231346.10486.jspinti@dartdist.com> That is without a doubt the lamest poll ever. It's even worse than the one at /. last week with the "?" Why not something that will incite at least a flamewar or two--something about SCO or vi vs emacs or KDE vs Gnome or RedHat vs Debian. Or something that will generate real feedback like how often to have installfests. -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 396 fax 952-368-3255 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Wed Jul 23 13:51:46 2003 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Current Poll on tclug web site In-Reply-To: <200307231346.10486.jspinti@dartdist.com> References: <200307231346.10486.jspinti@dartdist.com> Message-ID: <20030723185146.GE1632@iucha.net> On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 01:46:10PM -0500, James Spinti wrote: > That is without a doubt the lamest poll ever. It's even worse than the one > at /. last week with the "?" > > Why not something that will incite at least a flamewar or two--something > about SCO or vi vs emacs or KDE vs Gnome or RedHat vs Debian. Or > something that will generate real feedback like how often to have > installfests. Polls suck: the _real_ poll is at a beer meeting. It starts after fifth beer and ther results are counted... uh... the results are counted... What was the question, again? florin -- "NT is to UNIX what a doughnut is to a particle accelerator." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's even worse than the one >at /. last week with the "?" > >Why not something that will incite at least a flamewar or two--something >about SCO or vi vs emacs or KDE vs Gnome or RedHat vs Debian. Or >something that will generate real feedback like how often to have >installfests. > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Wed Jul 23 14:40:30 2003 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Current Poll on tclug web site In-Reply-To: <3F1EDA79.2090507@visi.com> References: <200307231346.10486.jspinti@dartdist.com> <3F1EDA79.2090507@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030723194030.GA31093@refried.org> On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 01:56:57PM -0500, Michael Vieths wrote: > On a more serious note, how about something like: > 'Have you ever taken advantage of the Open Source nature of Linux by > contributing to or altering the source code?' > I'm kind of curious. Sounds like a great poll! How is this for wording: How have you taken advantage of Open Source software? - Just used it - Read the source code - Contributed a patch - Ran a project - I thought it was Free Software _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amoore at loneoakmn.com Wed Jul 23 15:03:49 2003 From: amoore at loneoakmn.com (Andy Moore) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Current Poll on tclug web site In-Reply-To: <20030723194030.GA31093@refried.org> References: <200307231346.10486.jspinti@dartdist.com> <3F1EDA79.2090507@visi.com> <20030723194030.GA31093@refried.org> Message-ID: <1058990628.6473.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 14:40, nate@refried.org wrote: > On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 01:56:57PM -0500, Michael Vieths wrote: > > On a more serious note, how about something like: > > 'Have you ever taken advantage of the Open Source nature of Linux by > > contributing to or altering the source code?' > > I'm kind of curious. > > Sounds like a great poll! How is this for wording: > > How have you taken advantage of Open Source software? > - Just used it > - Read the source code > - Contributed a patch > - Ran a project > - I thought it was Free Software What about "Hacked it to work with my system"? -- Andy Moore _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Wed Jul 23 15:22:29 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:39 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Current Poll on tclug web site Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D364A@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 14:40, nate@refried.org wrote: > On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 01:56:57PM -0500, Michael Vieths wrote: > > On a more serious note, how about something like: > > 'Have you ever taken advantage of the Open Source nature of Linux by > > contributing to or altering the source code?' > > I'm kind of curious. > > Sounds like a great poll! How is this for wording: > > How have you taken advantage of Open Source software? > - Just used it > - Read the source code > - Contributed a patch > - Ran a project > - I thought it was Free Software What about us skill-less sods who have no coding skillz but have paid for some software we could have just downloaded for free???? I would like to think that my hard earned money could be considered some sort of contribution...... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jul 23 15:28:38 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kernel compile options under vmware In-Reply-To: <20030723183410.GC2112@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, Amy Tanner wrote: > It turns out dhcp just wasn't working and I couldn't figure out why. > I installed pump and that grabbed a dhcp address fine. Wierd - it was > working fine with the other kernel. Recent versions of RedHat 9 don't detect a link on the NIC under VMWare, and refuse to ifup the interface since they don't see a link. Not sure what distro you're running, and I doubt it's that since you said it works with the other kernel, but it may have something to do it.. (with rh9, a manual dhclient eth0 brings it up just fine.) > > First thing I usually do when setting up a new VMWare Linux guest is > > delete the SCSI drive they automatically set up and change it to IDE. Why > > they do SCSI, I have no idea.. > > How do you do that? I thought they picked the drivers due to stability. Hmm, that's lame - in VMWare 3, you just went in and removed the SCSI device and added a new IDE device.. in VMWare 4, doesn't look like it gives you the option! So, disregard that if you're a VMWare 4 user, I guess.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Wed Jul 23 15:28:29 2003 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Current Poll on tclug web site In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D364A@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D364A@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <20030723202829.GF1632@iucha.net> On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 03:22:29PM -0500, Lansing, Dan wrote: > > > On a more serious note, how about something like: > > > 'Have you ever taken advantage of the Open Source nature of Linux by > > > contributing to or altering the source code?' > > > I'm kind of curious. > > > > Sounds like a great poll! How is this for wording: > > > > How have you taken advantage of Open Source software? > > - Just used it > > - Read the source code > > - Contributed a patch > > - Ran a project > > - I thought it was Free Software > > What about us skill-less sods who have no coding skillz but have paid for some software we could have just downloaded for free???? I would like to think that my hard earned money could be considered some sort of contribution...... It is _certainly_ a contribution. Also add "I have reported bugs" option. florin -- "NT is to UNIX what a doughnut is to a particle accelerator." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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How is this for wording: > > > > How have you taken advantage of Open Source software? > > - Just used it > > - Read the source code > > - Contributed a patch > > - Ran a project > > - I thought it was Free Software > > What about us skill-less sods who have no coding skillz but have paid > for some software we could have just downloaded for free???? I would > like to think that my hard earned money could be considered some sort of > contribution...... How about this, another poll: How you obtained your installation of Linux: - Bought a boxed distro - Downloaded distro from net - Had someone burn me a CD set - apt-get rulez - I write all my own software - Installfest - The RIAA is all over me, they think they own everything (even worse than SCO) -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 396 fax 952-368-3255 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Wed Jul 23 15:51:47 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Current Poll on tclug web site In-Reply-To: <200307231532.46648.jspinti@dartdist.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D364A@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> <200307231532.46648.jspinti@dartdist.com> Message-ID: <20030723155147.71d9dd56.sfertch@real-time.com> On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 15:32:46 -0500 James Spinti wrote: > > How you obtained your installation of Linux: > - Bought a boxed distro Have a release subscription to Slackware.... =) Speaking of Slack... What happened to the mirror on Gladiator? Did we lose the maintenance of it? I'm more than happy to take it up if no one will. Don't have a clue how to do it, but I'm willing to learn and keep it up to date. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jrvw4 at hotpop.com Wed Jul 23 16:03:55 2003 From: jrvw4 at hotpop.com (Jon VW) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alternate Network configuretion Message-ID: <000801c3515d$ee465160$0100a8c0@Jrvw> Ok I've been playing around with redhat 7.2 for a while now I finailly got My network cards to work the way I want them to. I have 2 network cards one is connected directly to my laptop the other is connected to a home network, until I go back to collage then it will be connected to the realy internet. Being that I hate reconfiguring everything when I get home and want to be able to have linux grab a dhcp address for eth0 (internet) and if that doesn't work grab an address like 192.168.0.6 (home network) Windows XP has this feature built in (and that is really my goal to replace windows as my primary OS) is there some clever (or no so clever) way to do this? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.498 / Virus Database: 297 - Release Date: 7/8/2003 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Wed Jul 23 16:15:54 2003 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alternate Network configuretion In-Reply-To: <000801c3515d$ee465160$0100a8c0@Jrvw> References: <000801c3515d$ee465160$0100a8c0@Jrvw> Message-ID: <20030723211554.GB31093@refried.org> On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 04:03:55PM -0500, Jon VW wrote: > Being that I hate reconfiguring everything when I get home and want to > be able to have linux grab a dhcp address for eth0 (internet) and if > that doesn't work grab an address like 192.168.0.6 (home network) > Windows XP has this feature built in (and that is really my goal to > replace windows as my primary OS) You could always set up a dhcp server on your home network. They aren't that hard to set up. Nate _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Wed Jul 23 16:30:15 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Microsoft's Patent Problem Message-ID: <200307231630.15106@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Yummy! http://www.fortune.com/fortune/technology/articles/0,15114,466180,00.html -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Jul 23 16:57:48 2003 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kernel compile options under vmware Message-ID: I think VMWare 4 (I tried the beta of 4) restricts your hardware choices based on the OS you say you are going to install. If you choose something other than Linux for the "type" of VM, it will probably give you the IDE option, but I don't know what other tweaks they do to the underlying "machine" though. I have assumed they chose the devices they emulate based on stability of the OS drivers available, but I do not know. >>> natecars@real-time.com 07/23/03 03:28PM >>> > > First thing I usually do when setting up a new VMWare Linux guest is > > delete the SCSI drive they automatically set up and change it to IDE. Why > > they do SCSI, I have no idea.. > How do you do that? I thought they picked the drivers due to stability. Hmm, that's lame - in VMWare 3, you just went in and removed the SCSI device and added a new IDE device.. in VMWare 4, doesn't look like it gives you the option! So, disregard that if you're a VMWare 4 user, I guess.. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Wed Jul 23 17:03:47 2003 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Microsoft's Patent Problem In-Reply-To: <200307231630.15106@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> References: <200307231630.15106@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20030723170347.A7566@baker.space.umn.edu> On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 04:30:15PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > Yummy! > > http://www.fortune.com/fortune/technology/articles/0,15114,466180,00.html I don't know, Bob, I still think software patents are evil, even when they are used against the evil ;). -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Wed Jul 23 17:35:18 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Current Poll on tclug web site In-Reply-To: <20030723155147.71d9dd56.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D364A@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> <200307231532.46648.jspinti@dartdist.com> <20030723155147.71d9dd56.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200307231735.18271@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> On Wednesday 23 July 2003 03:51 pm, Shawn wrote: > On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 15:32:46 -0500 > > James Spinti wrote: > > How you obtained your installation of Linux: > > - Bought a boxed distro > > Have a release subscription to Slackware.... =) > > > Speaking of Slack... What happened to the mirror on Gladiator? Did we > lose the maintenance of it? > > I'm more than happy to take it up if no one will. Don't have a clue how to > do it, but I'm willing to learn and keep it up to date. No active maintainer and when we lost the drive we lost slack. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Wed Jul 23 18:28:42 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SNMP monitors... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200307231828.42403@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> On Wednesday 16 July 2003 09:30 am, mjn wrote: > I've been asked to find some software for SNMP monitoring here at work. http://www.opennms.org -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jrvw4 at hotpop.com Wed Jul 23 18:57:05 2003 From: jrvw4 at hotpop.com (Jon VW) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alternate Network configuretion In-Reply-To: <20030723211554.GB31093@refried.org> Message-ID: <000a01c35176$1fd06e10$0100a8c0@Jrvw> -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of nate@refried.org Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 4:16 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Alternate Network configuretion >On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 04:03:55PM -0500, Jon VW wrote: >> Being that I hate reconfiguring everything when I get home and want to >> be able to have linux grab a dhcp address for eth0 (internet) and if >> that doesn't work grab an address like 192.168.0.6 (home network) >> Windows XP has this feature built in (and that is really my goal to >> replace windows as my primary OS) > >You could always set up a dhcp server on your home network. They aren't that hard to set up. > >Nate Not really a good option since the machines on the home network are. 1.) windows machines (98 and one very slow (133Mhz) XP), I've been unable to find a windows dhcp server (correct me if I'm wrong) 2.) very slow (133Mhz-233Mhz) 3.) out of my control 8-9 month out of the year while I'm at school. (keeping things simple is the easest way to keep me from getting calls about the computers not working) 4.) None of the machines is ever left on all the time. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.498 / Virus Database: 297 - Release Date: 7/8/2003 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Wed Jul 23 19:17:11 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:40 2005 Subject: Thread hi-jack: Slack mirror was Re: [TCLUG] Current Poll on tclug web site In-Reply-To: <200307231735.18271@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D364A@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> <200307231532.46648.jspinti@dartdist.com> <20030723155147.71d9dd56.sfertch@real-time.com> <200307231735.18271@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20030723191711.448a3157.sfertch@real-time.com> On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 17:35:18 -0500 Bob Tanner wrote: > > Speaking of Slack... What happened to the mirror on Gladiator? > > Did we lose the maintenance of it? > > > > I'm more than happy to take it up if no one will. Don't have a clue > > how to do it, but I'm willing to learn and keep it up to date. > > No active maintainer and when we lost the drive we lost slack. > alright, if no objections from anyone else. I'd like to pick up the maintenance of keeping it up to date. No clue on how to do it, so some suggestions would be beneficial if someone wouldn't mind pointing me in the right direction. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Wed Jul 23 19:19:44 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alternate Network configuretion In-Reply-To: <000a01c35176$1fd06e10$0100a8c0@Jrvw> References: <20030723211554.GB31093@refried.org> <000a01c35176$1fd06e10$0100a8c0@Jrvw> Message-ID: <20030723191944.75dc3476.sfertch@real-time.com> On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 18:57:05 -0500 "Jon VW" wrote: > > > >You could always set up a dhcp server on your home network. They > aren't that hard to set up. > > > >Nate > > Not really a good option since the machines on the home network are. > 1.) windows machines (98 and one very slow (133Mhz) XP), I've been > unable to find a windows dhcp server (correct me if I'm wrong) > 2.) very slow (133Mhz-233Mhz) > 3.) out of my control 8-9 month out of the year while I'm at school. > (keeping things simple is the easest way to keep me from getting calls > about the computers not working) > 4.) None of the machines is ever left on all the time. > Well, none of these are very good reasons for not running DHCP. You can static IP all of them, and still have a small range of DHCP addresses to assign to your laptop. I do that here at home. My firewall is a P166 that serves DHCP (not a very good thing I know, but I'm too lazy to set it up on my DNS server right now). -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Wed Jul 23 19:35:53 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Distros at installfest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200307231935.53749@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> On Friday 18 July 2003 01:19 pm, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, Jima wrote: > > Nate? Did you read my post *at all*? > > erm, i was grepping for powerpc in my brain, not ppc, ok? :) > > /me kicks himself /me kicks Nate -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Wed Jul 23 19:54:43 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:40 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Microsoft's Patent Problem References: <200307231630.15106@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <00b401c3517e$2be76520$0201a8c0@brinstar> Bob Tanner writes: > http://www.fortune.com/fortune/technology/articles/0,15114,466180,00.html This is good. It will create case law against the enforcement of these types of patents. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bgilbertson at stonel.com Thu Jul 24 06:21:27 2003 From: bgilbertson at stonel.com (Bob Gilbertson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Microsoft's Patent Problem References: <200307231630.15106@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <3F1FC137.2020403@stonel.com> Interesting, considering both Sony and Philips are actively pursuing embedding Linux in the consumer electronics they make. home page: http://www.celinuxforum.org/ members: http://www.celinuxforum.org/MemberOrganization.htm Bob Tanner wrote: >Yummy! > >http://www.fortune.com/fortune/technology/articles/0,15114,466180,00.html > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Thu Jul 24 07:07:28 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (johnnyfulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alternate Network configuretion In-Reply-To: <000a01c35176$1fd06e10$0100a8c0@Jrvw> References: <000a01c35176$1fd06e10$0100a8c0@Jrvw> Message-ID: How about putting a residential gateway on the network? I picked up a nice Dlink for 'bout 50 bucks with a print server to boot! this one looks like it's only $19 after rebates: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=1051384473833&skuId=4634168&type=product&cmp=%20%20 I had a linksys - but it busted before it was a year old - and the support was so bad I gave up trying to get it fixed yunder the warranty. On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 18:57:05 -0500, Jon VW wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of nate@refried.org > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 4:16 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Alternate Network configuretion > >> On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 04:03:55PM -0500, Jon VW wrote: >>> Being that I hate reconfiguring everything when I get home and want > to >>> be able to have linux grab a dhcp address for eth0 (internet) and if >>> that doesn't work grab an address like 192.168.0.6 (home network) >>> Windows XP has this feature built in (and that is really my goal to >>> replace windows as my primary OS) >> >> You could always set up a dhcp server on your home network. They > aren't that hard to set up. >> >> Nate > > Not really a good option since the machines on the home network are. > 1.) windows machines (98 and one very slow (133Mhz) XP), I've been > unable to find a windows dhcp server (correct me if I'm wrong) 2.) very > slow (133Mhz-233Mhz) > 3.) out of my control 8-9 month out of the year while I'm at school. > (keeping things simple is the easest way to keep me from getting calls > about the computers not working) > 4.) None of the machines is ever left on all the time. > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.498 / Virus Database: 297 - Release Date: 7/8/2003 > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amoore at loneoakmn.com Thu Jul 24 07:45:07 2003 From: amoore at loneoakmn.com (Andy Moore) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:41 2005 Subject: Thread hi-jack: Slack mirror was Re: [TCLUG] Current Poll on tclug web site In-Reply-To: <20030723191711.448a3157.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D364A@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> <200307231532.46648.jspinti@dartdist.com> <20030723155147.71d9dd56.sfertch@real-time.com> <200307231735.18271@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> <20030723191711.448a3157.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3F1FD4D3.2080708@loneoakmn.com> Shawn wrote: > On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 17:35:18 -0500 > > alright, if no objections from anyone else. I'd like to pick up the maintenance of keeping it up to date. No clue on how to do it, so some suggestions would be beneficial if someone wouldn't mind pointing me in the right direction. > > I usually use wget when mirroring something locally. If you're looking to be an official mirror, most distros will set up a rsync server. wget -m should turn on the appropriate switches for mirroring. You should check out the man page for wget for other useful options like trimming part of the directory tree. ---- The Wandering Dru aka Andy Moore _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Thu Jul 24 08:17:54 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (johnnyfulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Command line equivalent to gui interface Message-ID: Hi- Been using linux on and off for a couple of years (just playing around), and recently got a bit more serious and set up an old Pentium as a webserver to serve up family photos, news, etc etc... I'd like to get a bit more basic understanding of the system as I need to admin it remotely from time to time and although VNC is cool and all, don't want / need to bring up a GUI interface all the time - for instance: Yesterday my main user's account had expired - and I needed to get on the machine from work. Can log in as root via ssh, but had no idea where the "expire this user on such a such date" setting was... So out comes ssh forwarding ports all over the place and VNC over ssh to the remote machine just to bring up KDE, then the user admin gui, yadda yadda yadda... What I'm looking for is a cheat sheet of linux commands that are distro independent for starting/stoping daemons, services, user admin, editing init levels etc. Does anyone have an "essentials" list they keep in their back pocket for times when the IU is only a command line? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Thu Jul 24 09:40:06 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Command line equivalent to gui interface In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, johnnyfulcrum wrote: > What I'm looking for is a cheat sheet of linux commands that are distro > independent for starting/stoping daemons, services, user admin, editing > init levels etc. Does anyone have an "essentials" list they keep in their > back pocket for times when the IU is only a command line? uhhh... it is usually just in the back of my head, after a while you just remember and if i do happen to forget there is always IRC. Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET - http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From duncan at sodatrain.com Thu Jul 24 09:54:45 2003 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (Duncan Shannon) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: MS Proxy Server needed Message-ID: Hello all- Im on the search for anyone that knows how the MS Proxy products work. Im working on some software for a appliance that needs to have proxy functionality. We have designed it so far based on the Proxy RFC... however it appears that MS doesnt play by the rules. If anyone has MS proxy experience, MS proxy setup that i can plug my device into or any input it would be greatly appreciated. Also, im very curious to know your thoughts on what % of business networks use proxies, and how they would break down by product. ie. are 60% of networks using proxies? are they mostly MS Proxy? thanks duncan _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Thu Jul 24 10:35:26 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Friday! Message-ID: Yep, it's that time again. --- snip --- A TCLUG beer meeting is a bi-weekly get-together where TCLUG members can get to know one another and share a beer. The beer meetings are open to anyone and everyone, so don't be afraid to show up. When: Friday, July 25, 2003 6pm - 8pm Where: Brit's Pub 1110 Nicollet Mall Minneapolis, MN Phone: 612-332-3908 Details: The owner is apparently a friend of a LUGger, so we're going to try out something new downtown. It also comes recommended from a LUGger/wrennie who has been there in large groups. Come share a beer, or pop with fellow geeks. As always, everyone is welcome! Bring a friend, spouse, or co-worker. --- snip --- More info, as always, at http://beer.tclug.org . Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Thu Jul 24 10:35:26 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting Friday! Message-ID: Yep, it's that time again. --- snip --- A TCLUG beer meeting is a bi-weekly get-together where TCLUG members can get to know one another and share a beer. The beer meetings are open to anyone and everyone, so don't be afraid to show up. When: Friday, July 25, 2003 6pm - 8pm Where: Brit's Pub 1110 Nicollet Mall Minneapolis, MN Phone: 612-332-3908 Details: The owner is apparently a friend of a LUGger, so we're going to try out something new downtown. It also comes recommended from a LUGger/wrennie who has been there in large groups. Come share a beer, or pop with fellow geeks. As always, everyone is welcome! Bring a friend, spouse, or co-worker. --- snip --- More info, as always, at http://beer.tclug.org . Jima _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Thu Jul 24 10:39:45 2003 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alternate Network configuretion In-Reply-To: References: <000a01c35176$1fd06e10$0100a8c0@Jrvw> Message-ID: <16159.64961.5807.5197@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "jf" == johnnyfulcrum writes: jf> How about putting a residential gateway on the network? I jf> picked up a nice Dlink for 'bout 50 bucks with a print server jf> to boot! Actually, www.dealmac.com has one with wireless too, for only $15! R _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amy at real-time.com Thu Jul 24 08:47:58 2003 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] kernel compile options under vmware In-Reply-To: References: <20030723183410.GC2112@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030724134758.GB13039@real-time.com> On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 03:28:38PM -0500, Nate Carlson (natecars@real-time.com) wrote: > On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, Amy Tanner wrote: > > It turns out dhcp just wasn't working and I couldn't figure out why. > > I installed pump and that grabbed a dhcp address fine. Wierd - it was > > working fine with the other kernel. > > Recent versions of RedHat 9 don't detect a link on the NIC under VMWare, > and refuse to ifup the interface since they don't see a link. Not sure > what distro you're running, and I doubt it's that since you said it works > with the other kernel, but it may have something to do it.. (with rh9, a > manual dhclient eth0 brings it up just fine.) I was running debian stable. > > > First thing I usually do when setting up a new VMWare Linux guest is > > > delete the SCSI drive they automatically set up and change it to IDE. Why > > > they do SCSI, I have no idea.. > > > > How do you do that? I thought they picked the drivers due to stability. > > Hmm, that's lame - in VMWare 3, you just went in and removed the SCSI > device and added a new IDE device.. in VMWare 4, doesn't look like it > gives you the option! So, disregard that if you're a VMWare 4 user, I > guess.. Yep, running VMWare 4. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amy at real-time.com Thu Jul 24 08:53:28 2003 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] chkconfig equivalent under debian Message-ID: <20030724135328.GC13039@real-time.com> I'm trying to find my way in the debian world after being a redhat user for so many years. Is there a debian equivalent for redhat's chkconfig? It looks like update-rc.d does some of what chkconfig does, but I don't see a way to list all the services and whether they are turned on or off. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Thu Jul 24 10:58:37 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] chkconfig equivalent under debian In-Reply-To: <20030724135328.GC13039@real-time.com> References: <20030724135328.GC13039@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030724155837.GH24201@fandre.com> On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Amy Tanner wrote: > I'm trying to find my way in the debian world after being a redhat user > for so many years. Is there a debian equivalent for redhat's chkconfig? > It looks like update-rc.d does some of what chkconfig does, but I don't > see a way to list all the services and whether they are turned on or > off. ls -l /etc/rc?.d _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gkrueger at cleosci.com Thu Jul 24 10:56:51 2003 From: gkrueger at cleosci.com (gkrueger) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: MS Proxy Server needed References: Message-ID: <3F2001C3.1090009@cleosci.com> We use a lot of Squid proxy setups within the individual classrooms at Brown college. The main thing I like about using squid is the caching feature. Otherwise, with NAT, it's really not necessary per se. Garrett Duncan Shannon wrote: > ... > > Also, im very curious to know your thoughts on what % of business > networks use proxies, and how they would break down by product. ie. > are 60% of networks using proxies? are they mostly MS Proxy? > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Jul 24 11:14:38 2003 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alternate Network configuretion In-Reply-To: <000801c3515d$ee465160$0100a8c0@Jrvw> References: <000801c3515d$ee465160$0100a8c0@Jrvw> Message-ID: <20030724111438.A7864@baker.space.umn.edu> On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 04:03:55PM -0500, Jon VW wrote: > Being that I hate reconfiguring everything when I get home and want to > be able to have linux grab a dhcp address for eth0 (internet) and if > that doesn't work grab an address like 192.168.0.6 (home network) > Windows XP has this feature built in (and that is really my goal to > replace windows as my primary OS) If you don't want to setup dhcp, there are plenty of packages that reconfigure laptops based on the environment. I don't know off hand which are available with Red Hat, but you should at least be able to find them online somewhere. Edited results from apt-cache search laptop: divine - Automatic IP configuration detection for laptops ifplugd - A configuration daemon for ethernet devices intuitively - Automatic IP configuration detection for laptops laptop-net - Automatically adapt laptop ethernet laptop-netconf - network detection and configuration program for laptops switchconf - Change network config for laptops whereami - Automatically reconfigure your (laptop) system for a new location -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jrasmussen0 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 24 11:55:15 2003 From: jrasmussen0 at yahoo.com (Jeffrey Rasmussen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: MS Proxy Server needed In-Reply-To: <20030724162703.29074.37190.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030724165515.13504.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Here is a great little python script that will format all proxy requests into a NTLM MS proxy format. They also include a bunch of information on the format on their website. http://apserver.sourceforge.net/ -- Python script to create a proxy to get through MS proxy http://www.innovation.ch/java/ntlm.html -- NTLM Documentation that was used to create APServer APServer is the only way I have found to allow my Linux boxes outside of our Microsoft network. If you download python for Windows you can also run Netscape through the proxy :) Unfortunately, I haven't figured out how to get through the firewall portion of the proxy. I can only use port 80. I have unsuccessfully been playing with Desproxy for TCP tunneling through HTTP proxies. If anyone has a different method for tunneling outside of port 80, I would appreciate it. I don't have broadband at home, so I can't use a box outside of the proxy. Jeff Rasmussen > Message: 17 > Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 09:54:45 -0500 > From: Duncan Shannon > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] OT: MS Proxy Server needed > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Hello all- > > Im on the search for anyone that knows how the MS Proxy products > work. > Im working on some software for a appliance that needs to have > proxy > functionality. We have designed it so far based on the Proxy RFC... > > however it appears that MS doesnt play by the rules. > > If anyone has MS proxy experience, MS proxy setup that i can plug > my > device into or any input it would be greatly appreciated. > > Also, im very curious to know your thoughts on what % of business > networks use proxies, and how they would break down by product. > ie. > are 60% of networks using proxies? are they mostly MS Proxy? > > thanks > duncan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amoore at loneoakmn.com Thu Jul 24 12:03:29 2003 From: amoore at loneoakmn.com (Andy Moore) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Friday! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F201161.6020605@loneoakmn.com> Jima wrote: > It also comes recommended from a LUGger/wrennie > who has been there in large groups. Please excuse my ignorance, but what's a wrennie? ---- The Wandering Dru _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amy at real-time.com Thu Jul 24 12:04:50 2003 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:41 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] FAI questions In-Reply-To: <20030716172623.GB14117@skuld.wookimus.net> References: <20030716132433.GF17431@real-time.com> <3F15856C.3020907@mikemaurer.net> <20030716172623.GB14117@skuld.wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20030724170450.GH13039@real-time.com> On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 12:26:23PM -0500, Chad Walstrom (chewie@wookimus.net) wrote: > There are other alternative installation utilities for Debian. The UMN > Computing Science department uses a Progeny product called > 'autoinstall'. > > autoinstall - Progeny Debian auto-installation system > autoinstall-i386 - Progeny Debian auto-installation system - i386-specific files > > Ask Scott Dier about this setup. I downloaded the source code for it > and it looks pretty slick, and far easier to wrap your head around than > FAI. There does look to be a very net-centric installation methodology > to it, but it's pretty flexible. Scott - can you offer any feedback on your experience with autoinstall? -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Jul 24 12:13:36 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: MS Proxy Server needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030724171336.GT925@techmonkeys.org> On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 09:54:45AM -0500, Duncan Shannon wrote: > Hello all- [snip] > > If anyone has MS proxy experience, MS proxy setup that i can plug my > device into or any input it would be greatly appreciated. > > Also, im very curious to know your thoughts on what % of business > networks use proxies, and how they would break down by product. ie. > are 60% of networks using proxies? are they mostly MS Proxy? Ahh, the joys of MS Proxy... Once there was a small company that ran nothing but MS products, including MS Proxy. One day they decided to upgrade from ISDN to high speed internet, including publicly routed IP space for a few systems that they wanted to setup as web and ftp servers. After many hours of hard work, they finally got Linux installed on an older system, and intended to use it as a router +nat+squid proxy for their network, so they could retire the MS Proxy server. (This took much convincing) When the time came to move the ethernet cable from the MS Proxy server to the Linux system, a horrible thing happened -- nobody could reach the internet! Screaming and preaching of the glory of MS was heard from afar, especially after we had turned off the MS Proxy settings on every single desktop. After many hours of fiddling, it was found that you had to completely uninstall the MS Proxy client before the systems were usable on anything else (alas, the zealots were not happy with this, and proclaimed it must be a bug elsewhere). After cleaning the virulent MS Proxy client from their systems, there was great rejoicing at the speed and efficiency of Linux and squid, and never again was there heard a complaint (until a tornado ripped their building apart last month) Moral of the story: MS Proxy is an evil, evil program that I've only encountered once in the corporate environment, it follows no standards, and there is no interoperability documentation. Don't bother. > thanks > duncan -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Thu Jul 24 12:22:06 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Command line equivalent to gui interface In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030724172206.GH21442@autonomous.tv> On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 08:17:54AM -0500, johnnyfulcrum wrote: > >Hi- > >Been using linux on and off for a couple of years (just playing around), >and recently got a bit more serious and set up an old Pentium as a >webserver to serve up family photos, news, etc etc... > >I'd like to get a bit more basic understanding of the system as I need to >admin it remotely from time to time and although VNC is cool and all, don't >want / need to bring up a GUI interface all the time - for instance: >Yesterday my main user's account had expired - and I needed to get on the >machine from work. Can log in as root via ssh, but had no idea where the >"expire this user on such a such date" setting was... So out comes ssh >forwarding ports all over the place and VNC over ssh to the remote machine >just to bring up KDE, then the user admin gui, yadda yadda yadda... > >What I'm looking for is a cheat sheet of linux commands that are distro >independent for starting/stoping daemons, services, user admin, editing >init levels etc. Does anyone have an "essentials" list they keep in their >back pocket for times when the IU is only a command line? http://en.tldp.org/ The Linux document project is an excellent place to bookmark. You will find the answers to a large number of your answers here. Google is, of course, a great tool for finding answers as well. You can try the url http://google.com/linux to refine your searches to linux related stuff. There are tons and tons of how-to's and guides available on the Internet in various forms. happy hacking. -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It is not IMHO as powerful as the RH chckconfig, but it will put all your symlinks where you need them, or remove them from where you don't. -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030724/3a26ddc7/attachment.pgp From jima at beer.tclug.org Thu Jul 24 12:33:13 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Friday! In-Reply-To: <3F201161.6020605@loneoakmn.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Andy Moore wrote: > Please excuse my ignorance, but what's a wrennie? A person affiliated with renaissance festivals. That reference was to an occasion last summer when 25 or so people in full renaissance garb overran the long room at Brit's Pub for an evening. It was quite the spectacle. Now maybe Linux users will overrun the place, but with laptops and stuffed penguins. ;) Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rware at interplastic.com Thu Jul 24 14:24:55 2003 From: rware at interplastic.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Friday! Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF6237C77@ipserver2.interplastic.com> And they'll be called pennie > -----Original Message----- > From: Jima [SMTP:jima@beer.tclug.org] > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 12:33 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Friday! > > On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Andy Moore wrote: > > Please excuse my ignorance, but what's a wrennie? > > A person affiliated with renaissance festivals. That reference was to an > > occasion last summer when 25 or so people in full renaissance garb overran > > the long room at Brit's Pub for an evening. It was quite the spectacle. > Now maybe Linux users will overrun the place, but with laptops and stuffed > > penguins. ;) > > Jima > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rware at interplastic.com Thu Jul 24 14:26:28 2003 From: rware at interplastic.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] funny Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF6237C78@ipserver2.interplastic.com> You might like this one > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew S. Hallacy [SMTP:poptix@techmonkeys.org] > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 12:14 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] OT: MS Proxy Server needed > > On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 09:54:45AM -0500, Duncan Shannon wrote: > > Hello all- > > [snip] > > > > > If anyone has MS proxy experience, MS proxy setup that i can plug my > > device into or any input it would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Also, im very curious to know your thoughts on what % of business > > networks use proxies, and how they would break down by product. ie. > > are 60% of networks using proxies? are they mostly MS Proxy? > > Ahh, the joys of MS Proxy... > > Once there was a small company that ran nothing but MS products, including > MS Proxy. One day they decided to upgrade from ISDN to high speed > internet, > including publicly routed IP space for a few systems that they wanted to > setup as web and ftp servers. After many hours of hard work, they finally > got Linux installed on an older system, and intended to use it as a router > +nat+squid proxy for their network, so they could retire the MS Proxy > server. > (This took much convincing) > > When the time came to move the ethernet cable from the MS Proxy server to > the Linux system, a horrible thing happened -- nobody could reach the > internet! > > Screaming and preaching of the glory of MS was heard from afar, especially > after we had turned off the MS Proxy settings on every single desktop. > > After many hours of fiddling, it was found that you had to completely > uninstall the MS Proxy client before the systems were usable on anything > else (alas, the zealots were not happy with this, and proclaimed it must > be > a bug elsewhere). > > After cleaning the virulent MS Proxy client from their systems, there was > great rejoicing at the speed and efficiency of Linux and squid, and never > again was there heard a complaint (until a tornado ripped their building > apart last month) > > Moral of the story: > MS Proxy is an evil, evil program that I've only encountered once in > the corporate environment, it follows no standards, and there is no > interoperability documentation. Don't bother. > > > thanks > > duncan > > -- > Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified > http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rware at interplastic.com Thu Jul 24 14:28:00 2003 From: rware at interplastic.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] funny Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF6237C7A@ipserver2.interplastic.com> Sorry, meant to forward it to a co-worker. > -----Original Message----- > From: Ryan Ware [SMTP:rware@interplastic.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 2:26 PM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: [TCLUG] funny > > You might like this one > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Matthew S. Hallacy [SMTP:poptix@techmonkeys.org] > > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 12:14 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] OT: MS Proxy Server needed > > > > On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 09:54:45AM -0500, Duncan Shannon wrote: > > > Hello all- > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > If anyone has MS proxy experience, MS proxy setup that i can plug my > > > device into or any input it would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > Also, im very curious to know your thoughts on what % of business > > > networks use proxies, and how they would break down by product. ie. > > > are 60% of networks using proxies? are they mostly MS Proxy? > > > > Ahh, the joys of MS Proxy... > > > > Once there was a small company that ran nothing but MS products, > including > > MS Proxy. One day they decided to upgrade from ISDN to high speed > > internet, > > including publicly routed IP space for a few systems that they wanted to > > setup as web and ftp servers. After many hours of hard work, they > finally > > got Linux installed on an older system, and intended to use it as a > router > > +nat+squid proxy for their network, so they could retire the MS Proxy > > server. > > (This took much convincing) > > > > When the time came to move the ethernet cable from the MS Proxy server > to > > the Linux system, a horrible thing happened -- nobody could reach the > > internet! > > > > Screaming and preaching of the glory of MS was heard from afar, > especially > > after we had turned off the MS Proxy settings on every single desktop. > > > > After many hours of fiddling, it was found that you had to completely > > uninstall the MS Proxy client before the systems were usable on anything > > else (alas, the zealots were not happy with this, and proclaimed it must > > be > > a bug elsewhere). > > > > After cleaning the virulent MS Proxy client from their systems, there > was > > great rejoicing at the speed and efficiency of Linux and squid, and > never > > again was there heard a complaint (until a tornado ripped their building > > apart last month) > > > > Moral of the story: > > MS Proxy is an evil, evil program that I've only encountered once in > > the corporate environment, it follows no standards, and there is no > > interoperability documentation. Don't bother. > > > > > thanks > > > duncan > > > > -- > > Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH > Certified > > http://www.poptix.net GPG public key > 0x01938203 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From duncan at sodatrain.com Thu Jul 24 14:44:34 2003 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (Duncan Shannon) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: MS Proxy Server needed In-Reply-To: <20030724171336.GT925@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <40AC88AA-BE0F-11D7-9535-000A95686AEC@sodatrain.com> > Moral of the story: > MS Proxy is an evil, evil program that I've only encountered once in > the corporate environment, it follows no standards, and there is no > interoperability documentation. Don't bother. > hmmm. do you know if you can modify MS Proxy to allow certain IP's thru it? How does one get a dumb little box (anything that doenst have Proxy Client on it) thru a MS proxy? im certainly not excited about accounting for it, however its bound to impact sales if we cant handle it. :( thanks duncan _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Thu Jul 24 14:56:30 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alternate Network configuretion In-Reply-To: References: <000a01c35176$1fd06e10$0100a8c0@Jrvw> Message-ID: <20030724145630.489ec6fd.sfertch@real-time.com> On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 07:07:28 -0500 johnnyfulcrum wrote: > I had a linksys - but it busted before it was a year old - and the > support was so bad I gave up trying to get it fixed yunder the > warranty. > Yeah, I'm beginning to question Linksys.. I have an 8 port switch that I bought about 3 months ago. It's now starting to flake out on me... Every couple of days it goes bad and I lose network connectivity. Have to power it off for a couple of minutes, then stop and restart network services. I've been looking at getting a firewall device instead of using a machine... suggestions besides the one jf mentioned? -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben.neigebauer at compellent.com Thu Jul 24 15:03:26 2003 From: ben.neigebauer at compellent.com (Neigebauer, Ben) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alternate Network configuretion Message-ID: <3DE074F8A2577948899DD010B9FFD6FF90A3D8@C1MAIL1.agiliti.net> For $199 you can get a nice SnapGear. It's essentially a tiny linux machine. Benjamin E. Neigebauer Software Engineer Compellent Technologies Eden Prairie, MN 55344 -----Original Message----- From: Shawn [mailto:sfertch@real-time.com] Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 2:57 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Alternate Network configuretion On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 07:07:28 -0500 johnnyfulcrum wrote: > I had a linksys - but it busted before it was a year old - and the > support was so bad I gave up trying to get it fixed yunder the > warranty. > Yeah, I'm beginning to question Linksys.. I have an 8 port switch that I bought about 3 months ago. It's now starting to flake out on me... Every couple of days it goes bad and I lose network connectivity. Have to power it off for a couple of minutes, then stop and restart network services. I've been looking at getting a firewall device instead of using a machine... suggestions besides the one jf mentioned? -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Thu Jul 24 15:23:30 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alternate Network configuretion Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE225@mail.temgweb.com> I like Netscreen firewalls. A bit spendy for home ($500 for the 5xp), but you can find them on ebay for a little less. The 5xp has the same ASIC's in it as their $100,000 model, but it's limited in throughput because of the 10M interfaces. If you get a 5XT ($1200), it has 100Mbit interfaces, and will do linespeed IPSec. I have the 5XT at home (got it for free) and I love it. > -----Original Message----- > From: Neigebauer, Ben [mailto:ben.neigebauer@compellent.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 3:03 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Alternate Network configuretion > > > For $199 you can get a nice SnapGear. > > It's essentially a tiny linux machine. > > Benjamin E. Neigebauer > Software Engineer > Compellent Technologies > Eden Prairie, MN 55344 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shawn [mailto:sfertch@real-time.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 2:57 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Alternate Network configuretion > > On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 07:07:28 -0500 > johnnyfulcrum wrote: > > > I had a linksys - but it busted before it was a year old - and the > > support was so bad I gave up trying to get it fixed yunder the > > warranty. > > > > Yeah, I'm beginning to question Linksys.. I have an 8 port > switch that > I bought about 3 months ago. It's now starting to flake out on me... > Every couple of days it goes bad and I lose network > connectivity. Have > to power it off for a couple of minutes, then stop and restart network > services. > > I've been looking at getting a firewall device instead of using a > machine... suggestions besides the one jf mentioned? > > > -- > Shawn > > The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. > > Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From duncan at sodatrain.com Thu Jul 24 15:54:26 2003 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (Duncan Shannon) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:42 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backups in DataCenter Message-ID: <0301A43A-BE19-11D7-9535-000A95686AEC@sodatrain.com> Hello List- We are growing our datacenter... We are at 3 servers now, plan to add 3 more soon, and maybe up to 10 over the next year. We are trying to evaluate our backup options. Id like to hear what the list has to say... We see: 1. copy some files nightly to a central server (that is out of the datacenter, but in the same building :) ) and burn them to cd every now and then. Its about 70 gigs of data right now. 2. Put tapes on each machine, get lots of tapes. 3. Get a nicer tapedrive that can backup several machines on one tape are there other options that we should look at? thanks duncan _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Thu Jul 24 16:06:15 2003 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backups in DataCenter References: <0301A43A-BE19-11D7-9535-000A95686AEC@sodatrain.com> Message-ID: <3F204A47.6030607@structural-wood.com> Duncan Shannon wrote: > Hello List- > > We are growing our datacenter... We are at 3 servers now, plan to add 3 > more soon, and maybe up to 10 over the next year. > > We are trying to evaluate our backup options. Id like to hear what the > list has to say... > > We see: > > 1. copy some files nightly to a central server (that is out of the > datacenter, but in the same building :) ) and burn them to cd every now > and then. Its about 70 gigs of data right now. > > 2. Put tapes on each machine, get lots of tapes. > > 3. Get a nicer tapedrive that can backup several machines on one tape > > are there other options that we should look at? > > thanks > duncan > > You should have multiple backup strategies. Copying files to a central server is a good, relatively cheap, and very accessible way to back up files. You should also have a backup that can be taken off-site - tapes work well for this, you could also look at writeable DVD's. Be sure that if you go the tape route that you will be able to read the tapes if your tape drive is destroyed along with your data-center. This used to be a huge issue, probably just a check list item now. Implement a backup verification policy early on, and periodically restore files and images to see if it all works. It kind of sucks when you are looking at the smoking ruins of your servers to realize your tape drives haven't worked for the last six months (been there, done that, happy I had a secondary backup strategy...). Kent _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Thu Jul 24 16:10:00 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backups in DataCenter In-Reply-To: <0301A43A-BE19-11D7-9535-000A95686AEC@sodatrain.com> Message-ID: I believe Carl is "the-man" on this subject, but I'll put in $.02 Check out the O'reilly Backup book - it has lots of good information, procedures, etc. Also, SAGE and USENIX might have some best practices that you can use as a starting point. The cost of your back-up solution should be reflective of the monetary value of the data. The frequency of your backups should reflect how quickly the lost data loses value. No sense doing nightly backups for something that changes weekly (too frequent), and no sense doing weekly backups for data that is worthless if it's more than a day old (not frequent enough). 70Gb burned to CD? Ick. Also, transferring 70Gb to your off-site location might take awhile. Over a T-1 it will take more than 100 hours (70,000MByte = 560,000 MBit / 1.5 MBit = 373,333 sec = 103h). DLT4 can do 35Gb raw/70Gb compressed on 1 tape. Tapes are about $60-$70 each (last I bought them anyways). I think you can get DLT4 drives for under $1,000 now. As all I've ever used is DLT and Travan, I can't comment on capacity or performance of the other solutions that are out there. On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Duncan Shannon wrote: > Hello List- > > We are growing our datacenter... We are at 3 servers now, plan to add 3 > more soon, and maybe up to 10 over the next year. > > We are trying to evaluate our backup options. Id like to hear what the > list has to say... > > We see: > > 1. copy some files nightly to a central server (that is out of the > datacenter, but in the same building :) ) and burn them to cd every now > and then. Its about 70 gigs of data right now. > > 2. Put tapes on each machine, get lots of tapes. > > 3. Get a nicer tapedrive that can backup several machines on one tape > > are there other options that we should look at? > > thanks > duncan > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Jul 24 16:10:12 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backups in DataCenter In-Reply-To: <0301A43A-BE19-11D7-9535-000A95686AEC@sodatrain.com> References: <0301A43A-BE19-11D7-9535-000A95686AEC@sodatrain.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Duncan Shannon wrote: > 1. copy some files nightly to a central server (that is out of the > datacenter, but in the same building :) ) and burn them to cd every now > and then. Its about 70 gigs of data right now. I like the approach of copy everything to one machine, and then run nightly tape backups of that machines. Gotcha's with this strategy: - If anything on that box dies, you don't have backups anymore - If a rsync process fails for whatever reason, the data from that box doesn't get backed up - Some more I can't think of right now. :) For "best of both worlds", you could put a tape drive in each box for backups, and also have a central server that replicates the data and writes it to a larger tape drive. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Jul 24 16:11:46 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backups in DataCenter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Adam Maloney wrote: > As all I've ever used is DLT and Travan, I can't comment on capacity or > performance of the other solutions that are out there. We've had good luck with VXA/VXA2 drives at Real Time - decent warranty, fairly reliable (in our experience, moreso than DDS), and reasonably inexpensive (less so than some of the other solutions, at least.) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dave.worden at veritas.com Thu Jul 24 16:10:29 2003 From: dave.worden at veritas.com (Dave Worden) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backups in DataCenter Message-ID: This link will serve as a good "pivot point": http://www.backupcentral.com/ Regards, --djw > -----Original Message----- > From: Kent Schumacher [mailto:kent@structural-wood.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 4:06 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Backups in DataCenter > > > > > Duncan Shannon wrote: > > Hello List- > > > > We are growing our datacenter... We are at 3 servers now, > plan to add 3 > > more soon, and maybe up to 10 over the next year. > > > > We are trying to evaluate our backup options. Id like to > hear what the > > list has to say... > > > > We see: > > > > 1. copy some files nightly to a central server (that is out of the > > datacenter, but in the same building :) ) and burn them to > cd every now > > and then. Its about 70 gigs of data right now. > > > > 2. Put tapes on each machine, get lots of tapes. > > > > 3. Get a nicer tapedrive that can backup several machines > on one tape > > > > are there other options that we should look at? > > > > thanks > > duncan > > > > > You should have multiple backup strategies. Copying files to > a central server > is a good, relatively cheap, and very accessible way to back up files. > > You should also have a backup that can be taken off-site - > tapes work well for > this, you could also look at writeable DVD's. > > Be sure that if you go the tape route that you will be able > to read the tapes > if your tape drive is destroyed along with your data-center. > This used to be > a huge issue, probably just a check list item now. > > Implement a backup verification policy early on, and > periodically restore > files and images to see if it all works. It kind of sucks > when you are > looking at the smoking ruins of your servers to realize your > tape drives > haven't worked for the last six months (been there, done > that, happy I had a > secondary backup strategy...). > > Kent > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.com Thu Jul 24 16:53:59 2003 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Regular Expression Problem Message-ID: <3F205577.5090900@cdf123.com> This is a little off topic, but I figured there's a few [emacs|vi|perl|sed] people here that could help me out. I have an xml file with lines like this: example line: valuevalue basicly it's storing fields with their datatypes and original values. I need to search this file for lines that the values match (or don't match). here's my regexp: /<(.*) type=\".*\">((.|\n)*)<\/\1>\2<\/orig_\1>/ I need to do this in 3 languages (javascript, vbscript-asp, and php) My problem is with multi line data, I can match the multiline initialy, but the "\2" won't work with it, but if it's all on one line it works fine. e.g.: regexp: /<(.*) type=\".*\">((.|\n)*)<\/\1><\/orig_\1>/ matches: value value regexp: /<(.*) type=\".*\">((.|\n)*)<\/\1>\2<\/orig_\1>/ doesn't match: value valuevalue value Any idea on what I'm doing wrong? Thanks in advance for the help. Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Thu Jul 24 17:00:50 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Getting WinTV Go to work. In-Reply-To: <20030719062657.GF925@techmonkeys.org> References: <20030719062657.GF925@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <200307241700.50795@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> On Saturday 19 July 2003 01:26 am, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > Open your PC, plug it in, turn on the computer. > > RedHat will auto detect it, and load the bttv driver. > > You can use simple programs such as xawtv, kwintv, or zapping > to watch television, or more advanced programs such as 'vcr' for recording. > > If you really want to go all-out, you can build your own PVR (tivo) > with the software at http://www.mythtv.org What WinTV cards work the best? Or is WinTV the brand/make/model? I'd like to transfer a bunch of video on VHS to something more durable, like dvd, what hardware would I use for that? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Thu Jul 24 17:25:19 2003 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Regular Expression Problem Message-ID: Chris, Use perl and SAX if you can, maybe, but if you have to do it by hand you might try to use the 's' modifier to make it all act like a single line. Good luck, Troy >>> cdf123@cdf123.com 07/24/03 04:53PM >>> This is a little off topic, but I figured there's a few [emacs|vi|perl|sed] people here that could help me out. I have an xml file with lines like this: example line: valuevalue basicly it's storing fields with their datatypes and original values. I need to search this file for lines that the values match (or don't match). here's my regexp: /<(.*) type=\".*\">((.|\n)*)<\/\1>\2<\/orig_\1>/ I need to do this in 3 languages (javascript, vbscript-asp, and php) My problem is with multi line data, I can match the multiline initialy, but the "\2" won't work with it, but if it's all on one line it works fine. e.g.: regexp: /<(.*) type=\".*\">((.|\n)*)<\/\1><\/orig_\1>/ matches: value value regexp: /<(.*) type=\".*\">((.|\n)*)<\/\1>\2<\/orig_\1>/ doesn't match: value valuevalue value Any idea on what I'm doing wrong? Thanks in advance for the help. Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Thu Jul 24 17:37:28 2003 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] $PATH in X vs cli? In-Reply-To: <200307221149.43309@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org>; from tanner@real-time.com on Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 11:49:43AM -0500 References: <200307221149.43309@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20030724173728.A4512@real-time.com> On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 11:49:43AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > When I log into boxA via cli, I get this: > > PATH=/staff/tanner/bin:/usr/libexec/ccache/bin:/usr/libexec/distcc/bin:/usr/local/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin > > But when I log in via X > > PATH=/usr/libexec/ccache/bin:/usr/libexec/distcc/bin:/usr/libexec/ccache/bin:/usr/libexec/distcc/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/local/bin:/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/java/j2sdk1.4.1//bin > > Where in the X login sequence does it [re]set the PATH? check your .profile, .bash_profile, and .bashrc; see if they're each invoking different $PATH configurations. I think .bashrc is used if you're not doing a full login; .bash_profile or .profile (depending on implementation) is used when you do a full login. (I belive 'full' login being the difference between 'xterm' and 'xterm -ls'; or 'su' and 'su -'). have your .profile or .bash_profile (whichever one works; IME, RH and Debian differ on this point) invoke the .bashrc, so you'll get a consistent environment: [chrome@barbarian:~]$cat .bash_profile # .bash_profile # Get the aliases and functions if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then . ~/.bashrc fi # User specific environment and startup programs PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin BASH_ENV=$HOME/.bashrc USERNAME="" export USERNAME BASH_ENV PATH Carl Soderstrom. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From peter-clark at bethel.edu Thu Jul 24 17:15:31 2003 From: peter-clark at bethel.edu (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Remote modem dial-up? Message-ID: <200307241715.31059.peter-clark@bethel.edu> Does anyone happen to know the name of the program that allows you to call (for example) your home computer, enter a password, and then, after you hang up, the program will connect to the internet and send the IP address to either an email account or a web page? Actually, the last steps can be accomplished with scripts, but what I'm interested in is the first part, getting the computer to connect remotely. Thanks, :Peter _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Thu Jul 24 17:47:33 2003 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Command line equivalent to gui interface In-Reply-To: ; from johnnyfulcrum@mn.rr.com on Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 08:17:54AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20030724174733.B4512@real-time.com> > What I'm looking for is a cheat sheet of linux commands that are distro > independent for starting/stoping daemons, services, user admin, editing > init levels etc. Does anyone have an "essentials" list they keep in their > back pocket for times when the IU is only a command line? here's a generalized Unix-independent cheat sheet: http://bhami.com/rosetta.html covers about 17 different Unix variants, with some of the basic tasks you might want to do as an administrator. beyond that; 'man' is your friend. :) when I teach introductory Linux classes I tell the students that you can figure out just about everything on Linux starting from little more than cd, ls, cat, and man; it just might take you a while. :) Of course, this is like saying that you can build a computer that only has two assembly-level instructions ['subtract' and 'branch not equal']; but it's a lot more efficient when you learn more instructions. :) Carl Soderstrom. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Thu Jul 24 19:58:06 2003 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:43 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backups in DataCenter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1059094686.15474.1027.camel@3po> On Thu, 2003-07-24 at 16:10, Adam Maloney wrote: > Also, transferring 70Gb to your off-site location might take awhile. > Over a T-1 it will take more than 100 hours (70,000MByte = 560,000 MBit / > 1.5 MBit = 373,333 sec = 103h). > > DLT4 can do 35Gb raw/70Gb compressed on 1 tape. Tapes are about $60-$70 > each (last I bought them anyways). I think you can get DLT4 drives for > under $1,000 now. Actually, I think DLT IV tapes can do 40GB, but it depends on the drive. A DLT 7000 drive can do 35/70GB, and a DLT 8000 can do 40/80GB. I think there are lower-end drives that only handle lower densities. People with money are spending it on LTO Ultrium and Super DLT drives (among others, I imagine). They run up toward 150-200 GB native capacity, but I'm sure prices are through the roof. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I'm afraid of Americans / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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One backup cycle requires at least one tape, and you also can't back up a partition that, when compressed, is larger than a tape. In addition, I have found that Amanda is not really designed for creating archival backups that you keep for long periods of time (like months or years). Fortunately, the recent stable release allows for backing up to a directory on disk, which is something I'd recommend. Someday, I plan to pack a pile of disks in a box (like Real-Time's Gladiator mirror machine), and just back everything up onto a RAID 1 or RAID 5 array (depending on how cheap drives get, I guess ;-) I find disk drives to be much more reliable than tape drives, and I think disks turn out to be fairly good when you compare prices. In addition, even a slow hard drive is probably faster than all but the fastest tape drives. At my last job, we went through probably 3 DLT drives in the 2 1/2 years I worked there (if a tape is inserted when you power the thing up, say goodbye to your drive). I had bought a DDS-3 drive for my own personal use, and it only lasted a few months (though that may be a power supply issue with the external enclosure I had). Like I said, I haven't had much luck with tapes.. On the other side, tapes are nice and portable, and therefore are very good for off-site storage. Of course, hard disks can be nicely portable, especially if you use FireWire or USB enclosures. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Error 008: Remove aluminum / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ foil, remote control \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) devices and spleen. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Some proxies may restrict these connections to port 443. You can get around this by running an SSH server on that port. http://www.agroman.net/corkscrew/ -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From duncan at premtech.com Thu Jul 24 21:08:07 2003 From: duncan at premtech.com (Duncan Shannon) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Customer Service / Network and Desktop Support Opening Message-ID: Hi- I posted a potential posting earlier... the position is now officially open. Please email me a TEXT version of your resume to duncan@premtech.com is you are interested. Consider this detail test the first part of the application! Note the different email address! _______________________ Premier Technologies is a manufacturer of high tech digital announcement devices and sells all of its' products through dealers that resell them to the end user. We are located in the western metro, in Long Lake. We are looking to hire a motivated individual that can help us grow our customer support team, while helping us maintain our desktops and servers. The job, while not written in stone, will consist of mostly customer support, and desktop/lan support. 1. Customer Support: supporting our customers use of the products we mfg. We make black boxes that play music and messages into the onhold port of a phone system. Support is typically phone (some email) based, and is mostly to our Dealers (with limited end user support). You will also handle RMA's and some limited repair work if interested. 2. Desktop support of our LAN. You will be the primary person to support our desktop environments (win2k mostly, some xp, some os X). 3. Testing (hardware and software) of our new products. Our products are made with DSP's, and part of our product line is controled with desktop software part web based. 4. We run our hosting environment and network on Linux. There is ample opportunity to assist in server admininstration on our internal and data center systems. We want to have someone that can grow into this area. Required skills: * Customer Service / Customer Support * Windows Desktop Support (NT/2000/XP) * Networking Desired Skills: * Linux experience strongly desired * Phone systems / Phone line experience helpful * Any DSP / micro embeded processor experience * Mac OSX _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rware at interplastic.com Thu Jul 24 21:44:57 2003 From: rware at interplastic.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backups in DataCenter Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF6237C7D@ipserver2.interplastic.com> We are putting in a new server in about a month. We are going with LTO, the drives are anywhere from $2000 to $5000 depending on internal/external and capacity 100/200 or 200/400 (the larger number is compressed capacity) Kind of fun really sitting down with the major vendors and going over everything. Got that kid in a candy store feeling. I guess one point I like of Ultrium over the SuperDLT is that the Ulrium media is only 1/2 inch thick, so it will take up less space in our tape case. Backups are spendy, as someone said earlier it kind of depends on the importance of your data. For our mission critical we use 24 daily tapes, 10 weekly and then a monthly. That adds up at $70 a pop. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Hicks To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Sent: 7/24/03 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Backups in DataCenter On Thu, 2003-07-24 at 16:10, Adam Maloney wrote: > Also, transferring 70Gb to your off-site location might take awhile. > Over a T-1 it will take more than 100 hours (70,000MByte = 560,000 MBit / > 1.5 MBit = 373,333 sec = 103h). > > DLT4 can do 35Gb raw/70Gb compressed on 1 tape. Tapes are about $60-$70 > each (last I bought them anyways). I think you can get DLT4 drives for > under $1,000 now. Actually, I think DLT IV tapes can do 40GB, but it depends on the drive. A DLT 7000 drive can do 35/70GB, and a DLT 8000 can do 40/80GB. I think there are lower-end drives that only handle lower densities. People with money are spending it on LTO Ultrium and Super DLT drives (among others, I imagine). They run up toward 150-200 GB native capacity, but I'm sure prices are through the roof. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I'm afraid of Americans / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rware at interplastic.com Thu Jul 24 21:46:40 2003 From: rware at interplastic.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backups in DataCenter Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF6237C7E@ipserver2.interplastic.com> I had a Quantum 8000 go bad on me, took it apart to get the tape out. It is amazing those things work at all when you see how the leader is grabbed from the tape casette and wound onto the reel. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Hicks To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Sent: 7/24/03 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Backups in DataCenter On Thu, 2003-07-24 at 15:54, Duncan Shannon wrote: > We are trying to evaluate our backup options. Id like to hear what the > list has to say... I really like Amanda for multi-system backups, as it can be very automated. However, it can be complicated to set up (it's an old Unix guru tool in many ways) and it has a few really annoying restrictions. One backup cycle requires at least one tape, and you also can't back up a partition that, when compressed, is larger than a tape. In addition, I have found that Amanda is not really designed for creating archival backups that you keep for long periods of time (like months or years). Fortunately, the recent stable release allows for backing up to a directory on disk, which is something I'd recommend. Someday, I plan to pack a pile of disks in a box (like Real-Time's Gladiator mirror machine), and just back everything up onto a RAID 1 or RAID 5 array (depending on how cheap drives get, I guess ;-) I find disk drives to be much more reliable than tape drives, and I think disks turn out to be fairly good when you compare prices. In addition, even a slow hard drive is probably faster than all but the fastest tape drives. At my last job, we went through probably 3 DLT drives in the 2 1/2 years I worked there (if a tape is inserted when you power the thing up, say goodbye to your drive). I had bought a DDS-3 drive for my own personal use, and it only lasted a few months (though that may be a power supply issue with the external enclosure I had). Like I said, I haven't had much luck with tapes.. On the other side, tapes are nice and portable, and therefore are very good for off-site storage. Of course, hard disks can be nicely portable, especially if you use FireWire or USB enclosures. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Error 008: Remove aluminum / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ foil, remote control \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) devices and spleen. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From den at appservers.us Thu Jul 24 22:17:45 2003 From: den at appservers.us (Don Nelson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backups in DataCenter Message-ID: <2064.24.118.175.216.1059103065.squirrel@localhost> I usually just lurk, but have strong feelings about this subject. When working for a large company tapes went to Iron Mt. More importantly we had a tested Continuity Plan - seems 'Distaster Plan' is an old term. Now, on a server, I use a USB hot swapable disk and put in as big a disk as necessary and use backup2l, see http://backup2l.sourceforge.net/ (my choice as it is written for disk backups). It keeps disk usage down by updating the Full backup and keeping interim backups small by even eliminating deleted files (configurable as to how many interims to keep before another Full is done). Have at LEAST 3 swapable disks because you always want one off site. Disks are fast, so recovery is fast. DO NOT believe you can easily 'just reconfigure' all the machines. How much time do you spend a week tweeking them? I believe you need build a test server, run backup, and see if it works [in spare time]. That includes being able to install and configure all software etc. Ya, maybe /etc and more should be backed up. There is much more to do then just running user data backups as the URL: http://www.taobackup.com/ shows. All software CDs as well as a hard copy of all hardware should be inventoryed and off site. I agree with the suggestion to get the O'Reilly book. Money well $pent. Have even seen insurance taken out on replacement value of equipment. One last tip, even fire proof paper cabinets will not protect tapes or other media like this. http://www.firecooler.com/ May B paranoid, but have ALL needed files (yup, tested), Don Nelson http://appservers.us _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Thu Jul 24 22:53:45 2003 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: MS Proxy Server needed In-Reply-To: <40AC88AA-BE0F-11D7-9535-000A95686AEC@sodatrain.com> References: <40AC88AA-BE0F-11D7-9535-000A95686AEC@sodatrain.com> Message-ID: <200307242253.45666.jack@jacku.com> On Thursday 24 July 2003 2:44 pm, Duncan Shannon wrote: > > Moral of the story: > > MS Proxy is an evil, evil program that I've only encountered once in > > the corporate environment, it follows no standards, and there is no > > interoperability documentation. Don't bother. > > hmmm. do you know if you can modify MS Proxy to allow certain IP's > thru it? How does one get a dumb little box (anything that doenst have > Proxy Client on it) thru a MS proxy? > > im certainly not excited about accounting for it, however its bound to > impact sales if we cant handle it. :( > > thanks > > duncan > My experience with MS Proxy is dated but I concur with the sentiment that it is evil, or at least not the best choice. When I was in Duluth we ran MS Proxy for about a year and we just kept having problems with connections and with throughput. When MS support was asked why they said we should be running proxy on a seperate box. I seem to remember being able to get through from some Linux boxes we had but I may be having faulty selective memory. On your other question about usage, I haven't worked in a large organization for a while. When I was working for a small business consultancy many of our clients ran hardware firewalls (sonicwall, cisco based stuff, etc.) without sepreate proxies. We had at least one place using Winproxy on NT. Use this as you see fit. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Thu Jul 24 23:25:34 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Command line equivalent to gui interface In-Reply-To: ; from johnnyfulcrum@mn.rr.com on Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 08:17:54AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20030724232534.A21841@thinkunix.net> johnnyfulcrum wrote: > What I'm looking for is a cheat sheet of linux commands that are distro > independent for starting/stoping daemons, services, user admin, editing > init levels etc. Does anyone have an "essentials" list they keep in their > back pocket for times when the IU is only a command line? this is mostly RH linux specific but covers other commercial versions of UNIX also: http://unixguide.net/unixguide.shtml -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Thu Jul 24 23:37:37 2003 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Speech recognition Message-ID: Hey there, Anyone ever set up speech recognition under Linux? I'm trying to go through the Official HOWTO but the website seems down, so I thought I'd ask for general opinions/experience. Anyone? -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel at joelschneider.net Thu Jul 24 23:48:54 2003 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Remote modem dial-up? In-Reply-To: <200307241715.31059.peter-clark@bethel.edu>; from peter-clark@bethel.edu on Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 05:15:31PM -0500 References: <200307241715.31059.peter-clark@bethel.edu> Message-ID: <20030724234854.B25438@joelschneider.net> On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 05:15:31PM -0500, Peter Clark wrote: > Does anyone happen to know the name of the program that allows you to call > (for example) your home computer, enter a password, and then, after you hang > up, the program will connect to the internet and send the IP address to > either an email account or a web page? Actually, the last steps can be > accomplished with scripts, but what I'm interested in is the first part, > getting the computer to connect remotely. Thanks, pppd? mgetty? -- Joel Schneider joel@joelschneider.net Linux makes computing fun again. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From peter-clark at bethel.edu Fri Jul 25 00:08:22 2003 From: peter-clark at bethel.edu (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Remote modem dial-up? In-Reply-To: <20030724234854.B25438@joelschneider.net> References: <200307241715.31059.peter-clark@bethel.edu> <20030724234854.B25438@joelschneider.net> Message-ID: <200307250008.22253.peter-clark@bethel.edu> On Thursday 24 July 2003 11:48 pm, Joel Schneider wrote: > > Does anyone happen to know the name of the program that allows you > > to call (for example) your home computer, enter a password, and then, > > after you hang up, the program will connect to the internet and send the > > IP address to either an email account or a web page? Actually, the last > > steps can be accomplished with scripts, but what I'm interested in is the > > first part, getting the computer to connect remotely. Thanks, > > pppd? mgetty? I found this article (http://www.pcquest.com/content/linux/handson/199030105.asp) that uses mgetty which explains a process similar to one I had in mind, and while it wasn't exactly what I was thinking about, it might do. What I _was_ thinking about was a program that watched the phone line, and after "Step X", it would dial up the ISP and then send off the IP address. "Step X" varies, of course. I remember one clever program that counted the number and timing of rings. E.g., if you called your number, let it ring twice, hang up, and then call within a minute or so and let it ring once before hanging up, it would then set pppd in motion. I fotgot this program's name, but it's probably no longer supported (it was fairly long in the tooth two years ago). Of course, it might be more practical to log directly in via mgetty. On the other hand, in past tinkerings with mgetty, I've found it a bear to configure. Well, I'll keep looking... :Peter _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From peter-clark at bethel.edu Fri Jul 25 00:33:30 2003 From: peter-clark at bethel.edu (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Remote modem dial-up? In-Reply-To: <200307250008.22253.peter-clark@bethel.edu> References: <200307241715.31059.peter-clark@bethel.edu> <20030724234854.B25438@joelschneider.net> <200307250008.22253.peter-clark@bethel.edu> Message-ID: <200307250033.30969.peter-clark@bethel.edu> On Friday 25 July 2003 12:08 am, Peter Clark wrote: > I > remember one clever program that counted the number and timing of rings. > E.g., if you called your number, let it ring twice, hang up, and then call > within a minute or so and let it ring once before hanging up, it would then > set pppd in motion. I fotgot this program's name, but it's probably no > longer supported (it was fairly long in the tooth two years ago). Just remembered the name: xringd. Something like this has an advantage over mgetty in situations where there's no modem to dial in from, or where creating new access numbers (for instance, in Windows dial-up networking) is restricted. Any other such programs, or is that about the range of options? :Peter -- Oh what a tangled web they weave who try a new word to conceive! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri Jul 25 03:25:03 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Getting WinTV Go to work. In-Reply-To: <200307241700.50795@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> References: <20030719062657.GF925@techmonkeys.org> <200307241700.50795@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20030725082503.GY925@techmonkeys.org> On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 05:00:50PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > What WinTV cards work the best? Or is WinTV the brand/make/model? > > I'd like to transfer a bunch of video on VHS to something more durable, like > dvd, what hardware would I use for that? It depends, the WinTV PVR cards (250 & 350, the 350 has an onboard MPEG-1/2 decoder and S-Video+sound output) are great for making DVD's, since they can output MPEG-2 in DVD format. The drivers aren't *mature* but they certainly work (http://ivtv.sf.net), the only things it's really missing is VBI (closed captions, XDS) and support for the decoder on the 350's. Driver development is proceeeding rapidly. If you just want to watch TV, or prefer to do your own encoding, grab a WinTV card with the bt848 or bt878 chipset (all have this besides the PVR and DVB cards), and use 'tvtime' under linux, it has great deinterlacing, and supports XDS data (tells you info about what's on the channel you're tuned to, when it started, when it ends, etc) -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Fri Jul 25 07:52:45 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (johnnyfulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Command line equivalent to gui interface In-Reply-To: <20030724174733.B4512@real-time.com> References: <20030724174733.B4512@real-time.com> Message-ID: Ahhh... exactly what I was looking for. Server was down, but google had a cache and found the PDF on other sites. Thanks! On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 17:47:33 -0500, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: >> What I'm looking for is a cheat sheet of linux commands that are distro >> independent for starting/stoping daemons, services, user admin, editing >> init levels etc. Does anyone have an "essentials" list they keep in >> their back pocket for times when the IU is only a command line? > > here's a generalized Unix-independent cheat sheet: > http://bhami.com/rosetta.html > > covers about 17 different Unix variants, with some of the basic tasks you > might want to do as an administrator. > > beyond that; 'man' is your friend. :) when I teach introductory Linux > classes I tell the students that you can figure out just about everything > on > Linux starting from little more than cd, ls, cat, and man; it just might > take you a while. :) > > Of course, this is like saying that you can build a computer that only > has > two assembly-level instructions ['subtract' and 'branch not equal']; but > it's a lot more efficient when you learn more instructions. :) > > Carl Soderstrom. -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Fri Jul 25 09:14:27 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Speech recognition Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE228@mail.temgweb.com> I set up Sphinx awhile back. It was a big pain in the ass. Unfortunately, it was so long ago I don't remember a whole lot of the process. There are some sample scripts that come with it that you can modify and run in the background to have do certain things, I believe they were written in perl. Another thing you should not do... On their site they have a thing where you can upload a file filled with words, and it would come up with a lexical modeling file for you. DO NOT upload /usr/dict/words. :) It takes their server down, oops. > -----Original Message----- > From: Yaron [mailto:jethro@freakzilla.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 11:38 PM > To: TCLUG > Subject: [TCLUG] Speech recognition > > > Hey there, > > Anyone ever set up speech recognition under Linux? I'm trying to go > through the Official HOWTO but the website seems down, so I > thought I'd > ask for general opinions/experience. > > Anyone? > > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Fri Jul 25 09:14:27 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:44 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Speech recognition Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE228@mail.temgweb.com> I set up Sphinx awhile back. It was a big pain in the ass. Unfortunately, it was so long ago I don't remember a whole lot of the process. There are some sample scripts that come with it that you can modify and run in the background to have do certain things, I believe they were written in perl. Another thing you should not do... On their site they have a thing where you can upload a file filled with words, and it would come up with a lexical modeling file for you. DO NOT upload /usr/dict/words. :) It takes their server down, oops. > -----Original Message----- > From: Yaron [mailto:jethro@freakzilla.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 11:38 PM > To: TCLUG > Subject: [TCLUG] Speech recognition > > > Hey there, > > Anyone ever set up speech recognition under Linux? I'm trying to go > through the Official HOWTO but the website seems down, so I > thought I'd > ask for general opinions/experience. > > Anyone? > > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From PCrissman at lwcc.org Fri Jul 25 09:35:45 2003 From: PCrissman at lwcc.org (Philip Crissman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Comcast Cable Modem + Redhat 9 + ASUS A7N266 Message-ID: Any known issues setting up a cable modem with an ASUS A7N266(mobo)? I'll be setting it up tonight or tomorrow morning, just wondering if there's anything I should be aware of. I do know I'll have to download the latest nvidia drivers for the integrated LAN; other than that, I'm presuming I'll use redhat's `internet configuration tool' (or whatever they call it) and it will Just Work. If anyone has experience with this, and has already troubleshot some common problem, I'd appreciate the tip. adv(Thanks)ance, Phil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From iaustin at qbp.com Fri Jul 25 10:05:39 2003 From: iaustin at qbp.com (Ivan Austin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Comcast Cable Modem + Redhat 9 + ASUS A7N266 Message-ID: <697D85C7B352D411964600D0B765C19B01F7C505@saddle.mn1.qbp.com> I don't have any problems with my A7N266-e. Not integrated LAN, but has worked great with many distros, including RH9. Ivan -----Original Message----- From: Philip Crissman [mailto:PCrissman@lwcc.org] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 9:36 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Comcast Cable Modem + Redhat 9 + ASUS A7N266 Any known issues setting up a cable modem with an ASUS A7N266(mobo)? I'll be setting it up tonight or tomorrow morning, just wondering if there's anything I should be aware of. I do know I'll have to download the latest nvidia drivers for the integrated LAN; other than that, I'm presuming I'll use redhat's `internet configuration tool' (or whatever they call it) and it will Just Work. If anyone has experience with this, and has already troubleshot some common problem, I'd appreciate the tip. adv(Thanks)ance, Phil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030725/b2156d6c/attachment.html From phil at rephil.org Fri Jul 25 10:49:55 2003 From: phil at rephil.org (Phil Mendelsohn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Speech recognition In-Reply-To: <20030725091701.24521.69361.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> References: <20030725091701.24521.69361.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030725154955.GA23370@rephil.org> > Message: 10 > Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 23:37:37 -0500 (CDT) > From: Yaron > Hey there, > > Anyone ever set up speech recognition under Linux? I'm trying to go > through the Official HOWTO but the website seems down, so I thought I'd > ask for general opinions/experience. > > Anyone? No, I haven't, but am curious as well. When I last looked into it, I found that Voice Recognition and OCR were both annoyingly commercial, even though I run into lots of theory about them in my math work. If you find a good open source solution, please post it. Cheers, Phil M -- www.rephil.org Landmark, Manitoba: Longitudinal Centre of Canada _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Fri Jul 25 10:51:11 2003 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backups in DataCenter In-Reply-To: ; from adamm@sihope.com on Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 04:10:00PM -0500 References: <0301A43A-BE19-11D7-9535-000A95686AEC@sodatrain.com> Message-ID: <20030725105111.C4512@real-time.com> On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 04:10:00PM -0500, Adam Maloney wrote: > I believe Carl is "the-man" on this subject, but I'll put in $.02 since I heard someone taking my name in vain, I suppose I ought to throw in my opinion. > The cost of your back-up solution should be reflective of the monetary > value of the data. first, most important rule, right there. there are times that it's worth building a whole replicated datacenter connected via private fiber and fiber-channel repeaters. some of the companies who had offices in the World Trade Center are probably glad they had something like that. a whole lot of them sure wish they did. needless to say, if all you're backing up is your blog on your co-lo'ed webserver; something less drastic is in order. :) I don't know what all kinds of data you're talking about, but keep in mind that a lot of services are easily replicable; DNS and SMTP have failover built into the protocol, and it's advantageous to have a DNS and a mail server somewhere offsite. I belive AFS has replication/failover built into it, but I could be wrong. (Amy?) In any case, AFS is more trouble than most people want to deal with. :) > 70Gb burned to CD? Ick. I once looked at the economics of an automated backup solution using a CD or DVD autoloader. aside from the cost of the burner itself (not too many $K), the cost of media ends up making it more expensive than tape in not too long a time. Tape is fast and reusable; CD-Rs are not. CD-RWs are even slower; but one of the problems becomes the *huge* stacks of CDs that you'll need to back-up your data. storing those things costs you money too. DVDs hold more data; but they are marginally more expensive per byte. 70GB/4.7GB(per DVD) = 15 discs. looks like DVDs are down to less than $1/disk http://store.yahoo.com/blankcdcdr/dvdr-media-dvd-r.html); so I guess the economics have changed a bit since I last looked; but even so, spending $15 (plus the amortized cost of a $3000 DVD autoloader) per backup is not something you'd want to do every night. I don't know how long it would take to burn those 15 DVDs either; but I'm sure good tape drives would be notably faster. it's not a bad idea for occasional, long-term permanent storage tho. (look at www.mondorescue.com). > Also, transferring 70Gb to your off-site location might take awhile. > Over a T-1 it will take more than 100 hours (70,000MByte = 560,000 MBit / > 1.5 MBit = 373,333 sec = 103h). this is why some sort of differential backup is a worthwhile thing. I've built workable systems with rsync scripts; which only requires one full transfer of the data to the backup server (much like Nate described in his post), and ever after (at least in theory) only needs to transfer the files that change that night. there's a couple of good pre-built systems that do this better than what I've cobbled together. I took a good look at this one: http://www.stearns.org/rsync-backup/ and found it's pretty good. it's client-side-initiated; so it would be very good for backing up laptops and other occasionally-connected devices. it makes a nice live filesystem that you can browse, and you can even browse previous days' backups as a live filesystem (it uses hardlinks to avoid replicating identical files). some people didn't like it; because they belived that allowing the clients to initiate the backups made the security weaker. it uses a chroot'ed jail for each client's backup process tho; and in a lot of ways I'd rather that the backup server was exposed to a limited number of clients, rather than try to secure remote-initiation access to a large number of clients. I haven't tried these yet: http://rdiff-backup.stanford.edu/ http://stitch.bentlogic.net/ but they look pretty good. I've heard good things about rdiff-backup. > DLT4 can do 35Gb raw/70Gb compressed on 1 tape. Tapes are about $60-$70 > each (last I bought them anyways). I think you can get DLT4 drives for > under $1,000 now. don't buy DLT. buy AIT. AIT is *amazingly* fast to search, because it keeps an index of filemarks in an NVRAM chip on the tape. this is OS-independent; and makes your restores blazing fast. (which is handy when the CEO deletes his spreadsheet by accident and wants it back 5 minutes ago, instead of 5 hours from now). also, AIT uses spinning read/write heads, so the tape doesn't have to move as fast, which makes 'backhitching' or 'shoeshining' less of a problem, and is less wear on the tape. last I knew, cost was comparable to DLT, but that might have changed. > > 1. copy some files nightly to a central server (that is out of the > > datacenter, but in the same building :) ) and burn them to cd every now > > and then. Its about 70 gigs of data right now. this is something like what I've done for one client in the past. it's a good and workable scheme. just keep in mind (and I think you have it) that you need *historical* backups as well as a replication. you can have differential historical backups on disk (like rsync-backup uses); but if you want to take it offsite, something more durable than a disk is desireable. that's what tape is still good for (still the cheapest alternative for short-term reliable offsite backup). then again, if you only do offsite backups once a week, and want them for archival purposes, it may be worthwhile to get a DVD autoloader and just burn yourself a stack of DVDs. > > 2. Put tapes on each machine, get lots of tapes. this is really expensive, considering how much tape drives cost, relative to the price of a computer now. it's very convenient tho. possibly worthwhile for centralized servers at remote (netwise) locations. > > > > 3. Get a nicer tapedrive that can backup several machines on one tape considering the rate at which disk drives are growing (which makes people sloppy about what they put on disk, which means the drives fill up); this is becoming less and less viable. > > > > are there other options that we should look at? I think rewriteable optical media will be the future of backups; but I don't know if the big backup tool vendors are adding that capability into their systems. I think we'll need the next generation of media (50-90GB disks) before it becomes really viable for smaller operations. certainly Plasmon is doing it right now; but their solutions are very expensive. (albeit very fast and reliable, and with write-once media, largely tamperproof, which has its advantages in some buisnesses). Carl Soderstrom. -- Systems Administrator (and sometimes backup administrator) Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Fri Jul 25 10:59:06 2003 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backups in DataCenter In-Reply-To: <1059094695.15474.1029.camel@3po>; from hick0088@tc.umn.edu on Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 07:58:16PM -0500 References: <0301A43A-BE19-11D7-9535-000A95686AEC@sodatrain.com> <1059094695.15474.1029.camel@3po> Message-ID: <20030725105906.D4512@real-time.com> > On the other side, tapes are nice and portable, and therefore are very > good for off-site storage. Of course, hard disks can be nicely > portable, especially if you use FireWire or USB enclosures. how much trouble do you have with plugging/unplugging your USB device? we've got a firewire drive here that we use for portable storage; it's very handy (went to the last installfest with 80+GB of linux distros on it); but on my laptop it requires some loading/unloading of modules and issuing some mount commands before it's ready to go. I suppose a lot of that could be automated with a 'hotplug' tool, but I have yet to learn how that thing works, and I'm still a bit leery of trusting that for important company data. it's a great way for geeks to do backups; but you can teach an idiot to swap tapes (I have to teach clients how to swap tapes in their servers), swapping hard drives is somewhat more complex and dicey. Carl Soderstrom. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Fri Jul 25 11:07:34 2003 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backups in DataCenter In-Reply-To: <2064.24.118.175.216.1059103065.squirrel@localhost>; from den@appservers.us on Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 10:17:45PM -0500 References: <2064.24.118.175.216.1059103065.squirrel@localhost> Message-ID: <20030725110734.E4512@real-time.com> > Now, on a server, I use a USB hot swapable disk and put in as big a disk > as necessary and use backup2l, see http://backup2l.sourceforge.net/ (my > choice as it is written for disk backups). It keeps disk usage down by > updating the Full backup and keeping interim backups small by even > eliminating deleted files (configurable as to how many interims to keep > before another Full is done). I'll have to take a look at that. thanks for the link. > Have at LEAST 3 swapable disks because you > always want one off site. Disks are fast, so recovery is fast. > DO NOT believe you can easily 'just reconfigure' all the machines. How > much time do you spend a week tweeking them? this is an excellent point. people overlook how much time they spend configuring machines. the nice thing about remote-synchronizing backup schemes (like rsync-backup or rdiff-backup) is that they allow you to easily back up more than once a day. > One last tip, even fire proof paper cabinets will not protect tapes or > other media like this. > http://www.firecooler.com/ good link. will have to look into that. > May B paranoid, but have ALL needed files (yup, tested), > Don Nelson > http://appservers.us like Andy Grove said, only the paranoid survive... (and no, I don't often follow my own advice for my own data at home. having come close to losing it a few times, I've decided that it's not really the end of the world if I do; and it would be a good chance to start afresh. I'm not going to voluntarily blow it away tho. ;) ) Carl Soderstrom. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri Jul 25 11:46:52 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backups in DataCenter In-Reply-To: <20030725105111.C4512@real-time.com> References: <0301A43A-BE19-11D7-9535-000A95686AEC@sodatrain.com> <20030725105111.C4512@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030725164652.GZ925@techmonkeys.org> On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 10:51:11AM -0500, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: [snip] > 70GB/4.7GB(per DVD) = 15 discs. > looks like DVDs are down to less than $1/disk > http://store.yahoo.com/blankcdcdr/dvdr-media-dvd-r.html); so I guess the > economics have changed a bit since I last looked; but even so, spending $15 > (plus the amortized cost of a $3000 DVD autoloader) per backup is not > something you'd want to do every night. Build your own! http://www.sentex.net/~mwandel/tech/changer.html > > I don't know how long it would take to burn those 15 DVDs either; but I'm > sure good tape drives would be notably faster. 1.353MB/s * 4X DVD-R drive = 5.412MB/s, noticably slower. or CD-R, 150KB/s * 40X CD-R drive = 6MB/s > Carl Soderstrom. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amoore at loneoakmn.com Fri Jul 25 11:58:45 2003 From: amoore at loneoakmn.com (Andy Moore) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LONG POST: Distros for low powered machines. - Vector Linux Message-ID: <1059152325.4192.61.camel@localhost.localdomain> Something that inevitably comes in at installfests is an old machine barely worthy of the title "Doorstop". We had 3 P166 Laptops with 8MB RAM show up at the last one. There is always discussion about the best distro to put on these babies so I've been doing some research in that area. A few I've come up with are DamnSmallLinux(http://www.damnsmalllinux.org), Tiny Linux(http://tiny.seul.org/) and Vector Linux(www.vectorlinux.com). Peanut Linux has also been mentioned but I pretty well disregard that one as it uses KDE3 for the desktop. It's small enough to download over a dial-up but still built for a little more beef than what 10 year old machines have. Over the next couple weeks I'll try these babies out and report back here with my findings. Last night I installed Vector Linux 3.2 on my old Compaq Presario which was my parent's first PC circa 1994. It's been "upgraded" with an Intel Overdrive Pentium running at 180MHz and 48MB RAM. It was originally a P100 with 16MB running the Win95 upgrade. Since then it's been used for different jobs including firewalls, email server and a low-powered intranet web server. I am interested to see how it will handle being pushed back to its desktop roots. Vector Linux is based on Slackware so it definitely isn't for squishy user types who throw up their hands in exasperation when something doesn't work right the first time. The ISO was pretty small, around 250MB. In order to get this to work I had to install an old SCSI card and CDROM I had around as the Compaq's original bit the dust a while back. After that I just popped in the freshly burned ISO and booted from it. Vector offers several kernels to choose from when installing. They have IDE and SCSI versions compiled for both 386 and Pentium CPUs. I, of course, typed pentscsi at the boot prompt and I was off and running. For anyone who has installed Slackware, the install was familiar territory. Using a ncurses based install program, it pretty well steps you through the installation although I wouldn't trust this to a newbie who is clueless about file systems and kernel modules. Network, sound and X configuration is all pretty standard fair for ncurses based installs. The X server is configured using SaX, a graphical front-end. It will even help you create modelines so your screen is always centered and the right size. An hour and a half later, I reboot and am taken to a text login. I login as root, do a passwd and create a standard user. After relogging as the new user I do a startx and am presented with a screen where I may choose the desktop I wish to use. The default presents me with IceWM or XFCE. I chose Ice as I am more familiar with it. The first thing I noticed was just how zippy this box was using a lightweight WM and apps. Using Ice, this thing is faster than it was with Windows95. Opera or Dillo for web-browsing, Abiword for word processing, Sylpheed for mail and xmms for sound media round out a full-featured desktop. My main gripe would be the lack of desktop real estate but that's more a limit of the on board graphics. If I were serious about using this for real work I would invest in a cheap video card with more than 512K of video RAM(800x600 at 16bit baby!). I was unable to really put Vector through its paces last night and did more of a cursory look-over and check of performance. What I saw impressed me, especially in the performance area. While I don't know how this distro would work on Don's 3 laptops(Vector recommends 16MB RAM), I would at least be willing to try installing this baby on just about any old box that walked through the door. I'll try and do a little more research with Vector, particularly in the package and software areas. On the surface it looks to be fairly easy but we will see. I may post a follow-up later. -- The Wandering Dru aka Andy Moore _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From eh at constantdata.com Fri Jul 25 12:29:48 2003 From: eh at constantdata.com (A. A. El Haddi) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:45 2005 Subject: Infomercial Was: [TCLUG] Backups in DataCenter In-Reply-To: <20030725105111.C4512@real-time.com> Message-ID: --- Warning: I will sound like a sales droid for a second ----- Speaking of data replication, please visit Constant Data's booth(#1090) at the LinuxWorld in SF August 4-7th. Constant Data, has free trial downloads of real-time bidirectional replication for Linux and other *NIX at www.constantdata.com. They support 1 to N and N to 1. --elhaddi On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 04:10:00PM -0500, Adam Maloney wrote: > > I believe Carl is "the-man" on this subject, but I'll put in $.02 > > since I heard someone taking my name in vain, I suppose I ought to throw in > my opinion. > > > The cost of your back-up solution should be reflective of the monetary > > value of the data. > > first, most important rule, right there. > > there are times that it's worth building a whole replicated datacenter > connected via private fiber and fiber-channel repeaters. some of the > companies who had offices in the World Trade Center are probably glad they > had something like that. > > a whole lot of them sure wish they did. > > needless to say, if all you're backing up is your blog on your co-lo'ed > webserver; something less drastic is in order. :) > > I don't know what all kinds of data you're talking about, but keep in mind > that a lot of services are easily replicable; DNS and SMTP have failover > built into the protocol, and it's advantageous to have a DNS and a mail > server somewhere offsite. > > I belive AFS has replication/failover built into it, but I could be wrong. > (Amy?) In any case, AFS is more trouble than most people want to deal > with. :) > > > 70Gb burned to CD? Ick. > > I once looked at the economics of an automated backup solution using a CD or > DVD autoloader. aside from the cost of the burner itself (not too many $K), > the cost of media ends up making it more expensive than tape in not too long > a time. Tape is fast and reusable; CD-Rs are not. CD-RWs are even slower; > but one of the problems becomes the *huge* stacks of CDs that you'll need to > back-up your data. storing those things costs you money too. DVDs hold more > data; but they are marginally more expensive per byte. > > 70GB/4.7GB(per DVD) = 15 discs. > looks like DVDs are down to less than $1/disk > http://store.yahoo.com/blankcdcdr/dvdr-media-dvd-r.html); so I guess the > economics have changed a bit since I last looked; but even so, spending $15 > (plus the amortized cost of a $3000 DVD autoloader) per backup is not > something you'd want to do every night. > > I don't know how long it would take to burn those 15 DVDs either; but I'm > sure good tape drives would be notably faster. > > it's not a bad idea for occasional, long-term permanent storage tho. (look > at www.mondorescue.com). > > > Also, transferring 70Gb to your off-site location might take awhile. > > Over a T-1 it will take more than 100 hours (70,000MByte = 560,000 MBit / > > 1.5 MBit = 373,333 sec = 103h). > > this is why some sort of differential backup is a worthwhile thing. I've > built workable systems with rsync scripts; which only requires one full > transfer of the data to the backup server (much like Nate described in his > post), and ever after (at least in theory) only needs to transfer the files > that change that night. > > there's a couple of good pre-built systems that do this better than what > I've cobbled together. > > I took a good look at this one: > http://www.stearns.org/rsync-backup/ > and found it's pretty good. it's client-side-initiated; so it would be very > good for backing up laptops and other occasionally-connected devices. it > makes a nice live filesystem that you can browse, and you can even browse > previous days' backups as a live filesystem (it uses hardlinks to avoid > replicating identical files). > > some people didn't like it; because they belived that allowing the clients > to initiate the backups made the security weaker. it uses a chroot'ed jail > for each client's backup process tho; and in a lot of ways I'd rather that > the backup server was exposed to a limited number of clients, rather than > try to secure remote-initiation access to a large number of clients. > > I haven't tried these yet: > http://rdiff-backup.stanford.edu/ > http://stitch.bentlogic.net/ > but they look pretty good. I've heard good things about rdiff-backup. > > > DLT4 can do 35Gb raw/70Gb compressed on 1 tape. Tapes are about $60-$70 > > each (last I bought them anyways). I think you can get DLT4 drives for > > under $1,000 now. > > don't buy DLT. buy AIT. > AIT is *amazingly* fast to search, because it keeps an index of filemarks in > an NVRAM chip on the tape. this is OS-independent; and makes your restores > blazing fast. (which is handy when the CEO deletes his spreadsheet by > accident and wants it back 5 minutes ago, instead of 5 hours from now). > > also, AIT uses spinning read/write heads, so the tape doesn't have to move > as fast, which makes 'backhitching' or 'shoeshining' less of a problem, and > is less wear on the tape. > > last I knew, cost was comparable to DLT, but that might have changed. > > > > 1. copy some files nightly to a central server (that is out of the > > > datacenter, but in the same building :) ) and burn them to cd every now > > > and then. Its about 70 gigs of data right now. > > this is something like what I've done for one client in the past. it's a > good and workable scheme. just keep in mind (and I think you have it) that > you need *historical* backups as well as a replication. you can have > differential historical backups on disk (like rsync-backup uses); but if you > want to take it offsite, something more durable than a disk is desireable. > that's what tape is still good for (still the cheapest alternative for > short-term reliable offsite backup). > > then again, if you only do offsite backups once a week, and want them for > archival purposes, it may be worthwhile to get a DVD autoloader and just > burn yourself a stack of DVDs. > > > > 2. Put tapes on each machine, get lots of tapes. > > this is really expensive, considering how much tape drives cost, relative to > the price of a computer now. it's very convenient tho. possibly worthwhile > for centralized servers at remote (netwise) locations. > > > > > > > 3. Get a nicer tapedrive that can backup several machines on one tape > > considering the rate at which disk drives are growing (which makes people > sloppy about what they put on disk, which means the drives fill up); this > is becoming less and less viable. > > > > > > > are there other options that we should look at? > > I think rewriteable optical media will be the future of backups; but I don't > know if the big backup tool vendors are adding that capability into their > systems. I think we'll need the next generation of media (50-90GB disks) > before it becomes really viable for smaller operations. certainly Plasmon is > doing it right now; but their solutions are very expensive. (albeit very > fast and reliable, and with write-once media, largely tamperproof, which has > its advantages in some buisnesses). > > Carl Soderstrom. > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Fri Jul 25 12:57:01 2003 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Backups in DataCenter In-Reply-To: <20030725164652.GZ925@techmonkeys.org>; from poptix@techmonkeys.org on Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 11:46:52AM -0500 References: <0301A43A-BE19-11D7-9535-000A95686AEC@sodatrain.com> <20030725105111.C4512@real-time.com> <20030725164652.GZ925@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20030725125701.F4512@real-time.com> > > 70GB/4.7GB(per DVD) = 15 discs. > > looks like DVDs are down to less than $1/disk > > http://store.yahoo.com/blankcdcdr/dvdr-media-dvd-r.html); so I guess the > > economics have changed a bit since I last looked; but even so, spending $15 > > (plus the amortized cost of a $3000 DVD autoloader) per backup is not > > something you'd want to do every night. > > Build your own! > > http://www.sentex.net/~mwandel/tech/changer.html amusing. I've also seen a simpler solution done with Lego blocks and the Mindstorms controller/motors. not really appropriate for a larger buisness tho. (unless you hid it inside a large white case with 'Compak' written on the side in red letters..) :) > > I don't know how long it would take to burn those 15 DVDs either; but I'm > > sure good tape drives would be notably faster. > > 1.353MB/s * 4X DVD-R drive = 5.412MB/s, noticably slower. > or > CD-R, 150KB/s * 40X CD-R drive = 6MB/s I stand corrected. maybe one day I'll get a computer with a CD-burner made in this millenium. :) Carl. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at mtu.net Fri Jul 25 13:15:29 2003 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:45 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] file size limits when using quota? Message-ID: <16161.29633.917471.152407@workstation.mn.mtu.net> I've got an ext3 filesystem that I'm able to write 15GB+ files on just fine. I enabled quotas to keep us from running out of disk space by adding usrquota,grpquota to the mount options and created the appropriate quotas. Now file sizes appear to be limited to 2GB. Is this a bad interaction between ext3 and quota? -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Fri Jul 25 13:47:39 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (johnnyfulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TOC of linux question. Message-ID: This question is currently floating around at my work: How will Linux lower the TCO? RedHat AS 2.1 is about ~2000 dollars/server - not free. I don't think Hardware costs would be a huge area of savings either since Sun/IBM pricing has improved considerably - and I believe the OS comes bundled with the cost of the server itself with Sun/IBM. -- Here's an answer that someone gave - I don't feel it's the best, but don't really know too much since I've only played with linux on old desktops - not server class machines (multi processor redundant this-and-that etc). Also RedHat 2.1 is a must because Oracle certifies on RH AS 2.1 (They might on other distros - SuSE?)?? Anyway here's the answer that was given by a not so techie manager for the above question (I think it's kinda fishy...any one else got better reasons??? ) The cost of Linux AS 2.1 is on par or less than many proprietary OS costs (Solaris, AIX, etc). Intel based hardware is less expensive though UNIX boxes have indeed come down in price greatly so a 4-way Intel box is close in price to a 4-way UNIX box. The main thing is that Intel boxes are much faster than UNIX (CPU speeds up to 2x UNIX) and therefore you typically need fewer CPUs - i.e. where you would need a 6-way UNIX box you could do with a 3 or 4-way Intel box (to be validated during volume testing). This lowers the hardware cost, and because there are fewer CPUs it lowers Oracle costs as well (usually up to $20K per CPU depending on what options are included). -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bgilbertson at stonel.com Fri Jul 25 14:32:32 2003 From: bgilbertson at stonel.com (Bob Gilbertson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LONG POST: Distros for low powered machines. - Vector Linux References: <1059152325.4192.61.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F2185D0.6010203@stonel.com> Might also check out Morphix LightGUI. 0.4 just released. A Live CD like Knoppix, but can be installed. 8 MB may be a little light tho. Bob Andy Moore wrote: >Something that inevitably comes in at installfests is an old machine >barely worthy of the title "Doorstop". We had 3 P166 Laptops with 8MB >RAM show up at the last one. There is always discussion about the best >distro to put on these babies so I've been doing some research in that >area. > >A few I've come up with are >DamnSmallLinux(http://www.damnsmalllinux.org), Tiny >Linux(http://tiny.seul.org/) and Vector Linux(www.vectorlinux.com). >Peanut Linux has also been mentioned but I pretty well disregard that >one as it uses KDE3 for the desktop. It's small enough to download over >a dial-up but still built for a little more beef than what 10 year old >machines have. Over the next couple weeks I'll try these babies out and >report back here with my findings. > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amoore at loneoakmn.com Fri Jul 25 15:06:12 2003 From: amoore at loneoakmn.com (Andy Moore) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LONG POST: Distros for low powered machines. - Vector Linux In-Reply-To: <3F2185D0.6010203@stonel.com> References: <1059152325.4192.61.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3F2185D0.6010203@stonel.com> Message-ID: <3F218DB4.8060000@loneoakmn.com> Bob Gilbertson wrote: > Might also check out Morphix LightGUI. 0.4 just released. > A Live CD like Knoppix, but can be installed. > 8 MB may be a little light tho. > > Bob > Thanks, I'll add it to the list. I've used (and very much like!) Morphix HeavyGUI. I forgot they had a lightGUI too. -- The Wandering Dru _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at mtu.net Fri Jul 25 15:15:38 2003 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] file size limits when using quota? In-Reply-To: <16161.29633.917471.152407@workstation.mn.mtu.net> References: <16161.29633.917471.152407@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Message-ID: <16161.36842.953344.272568@workstation.mn.mtu.net> I figured it out. In one case the command was run under bourne shell in the other case it was tcsh. Turns out that tcsh is not compiled with large file support on Redhat 7.x. >>>>> "JS" == Jon Schewe writes: JS> I've got an ext3 filesystem that I'm able to write 15GB+ files on just JS> fine. I enabled quotas to keep us from running out of disk space by adding JS> usrquota,grpquota to the mount options and created the appropriate JS> quotas. Now file sizes appear to be limited to 2GB. Is this a bad JS> interaction between ext3 and quota? JS> -- JS> Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net JS> For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels JS> nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any JS> powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all JS> creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that JS> is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 JS> _______________________________________________ JS> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota JS> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org JS> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Fri Jul 25 15:31:49 2003 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] now my computers ignore each other Message-ID: <3F2193B5.8010404@eworld3.net> This is my first message on this list, so please be gentle :-) I have two computers connected by a crossover cable and identical NICs. One is running Mandrake 9.1 and the other is running W2k. I have had them communicating perfectly for quite a while. I was able to use Samba (so cool!) & VNC (to avoid buying a KVM switch) & of course ping. But after shutting the machines down before a lightning storm a few weeks ago, I can't get them to talk. I readily admit that I don't know much about networking but I want to learn. I'm not sure where to start, but I think this should help: [rick@myLinux rick]$ ping myW2k PING myW2k (192.168.1.2) 56(84) bytes of data. From myLinux (192.168.1.1) icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable From myLinux (192.168.1.1) icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable From myLinux (192.168.1.1) icmp_seq=3 Destination Host Unreachable --- myW2k ping statistics --- 6 packets transmitted, 0 received, +3 errors, 100% packet loss, time 5027ms, pipe 3 I had a similar problem before and solved it by physically removing the NIC from the Linux box, booting, re-installing the NIC and when I booted, I got VNC working but not Samba. I tried this again but no luck. -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Fri Jul 25 15:40:14 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] now my computers ignore each other In-Reply-To: <3F2193B5.8010404@eworld3.net> References: <3F2193B5.8010404@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <20030725204014.GA4794@mail.el-swifto.com> On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 03:31:49PM -0500, Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > [rick@myLinux rick]$ ping myW2k > PING myW2k (192.168.1.2) 56(84) bytes of data. > From myLinux (192.168.1.1) icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable > From myLinux (192.168.1.1) icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable > From myLinux (192.168.1.1) icmp_seq=3 Destination Host Unreachable > > --- myW2k ping statistics --- > 6 packets transmitted, 0 received, +3 errors, 100% packet loss, time > 5027ms, pipe 3 > What does the output of 'route -n' say? -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Fri Jul 25 16:01:07 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Fwd: [kde-announce] Press Release: Kroupware Project finished -- Kolab emerges Message-ID: <200307251601.07943@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Since there was threads about "MS Exchange Killer". Here's another one. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Martin Konold Subject: [kde-announce] Press Release: Kroupware Project finished -- Kolab emerges Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 22:26:09 +0200 Size: 10097 Url: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030725/b77e65a8/attachment.mht From jack at jacku.com Fri Jul 25 16:17:14 2003 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TOC of linux question. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200307251617.14742.jack@jacku.com> On Friday 25 July 2003 1:47 pm, johnnyfulcrum wrote: > This question is currently floating around at my work: > > How will Linux lower the TCO? RedHat AS 2.1 is about ~2000 dollars/server > - not free. I don't think Hardware costs would be a huge area of savings > either since Sun/IBM pricing has improved considerably - and I believe the > OS comes bundled with the cost of the server itself with Sun/IBM. As to Oracle on Linux, SuSE Enterprise 8 is certified for Oracle 8i and 9i. I did a quick check of the pricing on SuSE 8 for x86 (probably Xeons) the only way you get to $2K/server is with the "premium" support package. They also have versions for Itanium and AMD64 (Optitron?) Pricing on the 64-Bits is by CPU for the support program. Basically you buy the support service and for the first server you get the software for an extra $129. Jack Your local SuSE bigot. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Fri Jul 25 16:33:07 2003 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] now my computers ignore each other In-Reply-To: <20030725204014.GA4794@mail.el-swifto.com> References: <3F2193B5.8010404@eworld3.net> <20030725204014.GA4794@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <3F21A213.5090303@eworld3.net> [root@myLinux root]# route -n Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 63.231.196.248 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 ppp0 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo 0.0.0.0 63.231.196.248 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 ppp0 John J. Trammell wrote: > On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 03:31:49PM -0500, Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > >>[rick@myLinux rick]$ ping myW2k >>PING myW2k (192.168.1.2) 56(84) bytes of data. >>From myLinux (192.168.1.1) icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable >>From myLinux (192.168.1.1) icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable >>From myLinux (192.168.1.1) icmp_seq=3 Destination Host Unreachable >> >>--- myW2k ping statistics --- >>6 packets transmitted, 0 received, +3 errors, 100% packet loss, time >>5027ms, pipe 3 >> > > > What does the output of 'route -n' say? > -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff rick@eworld3.net 952-929-1659 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Fri Jul 25 16:43:00 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] now my computers ignore each other In-Reply-To: <3F21A213.5090303@eworld3.net> References: <3F2193B5.8010404@eworld3.net> <20030725204014.GA4794@mail.el-swifto.com> <3F21A213.5090303@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <20030725214300.GA6243@mail.el-swifto.com> On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 04:33:07PM -0500, Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > [root@myLinux root]# route -n > Kernel IP routing table > Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use > Iface > 63.231.196.248 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 ppp0 > 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 > 127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo > 0.0.0.0 63.231.196.248 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 ppp0 > Mmkay, what does 'ifconfig eth0' say? -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Fri Jul 25 17:09:48 2003 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] now my computers ignore each other In-Reply-To: <20030725214300.GA6243@mail.el-swifto.com> References: <3F2193B5.8010404@eworld3.net> <20030725204014.GA4794@mail.el-swifto.com> <3F21A213.5090303@eworld3.net> <20030725214300.GA6243@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <3F21AAAC.2060209@eworld3.net> [root@myLinux root]# ifconfig eth0 eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:02:2A:BA:07:60 inet addr:192.168.1.1 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:478 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:956 collisions:0 RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) John J. Trammell wrote: > On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 04:33:07PM -0500, Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > >>[root@myLinux root]# route -n >>Kernel IP routing table >>Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use >>Iface >>63.231.196.248 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 ppp0 >>192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 >>127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo >>0.0.0.0 63.231.196.248 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 ppp0 >> > > > Mmkay, what does 'ifconfig eth0' say? > -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff rick@eworld3.net 952-929-1659 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Fri Jul 25 17:33:04 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] now my computers ignore each other In-Reply-To: <3F21AAAC.2060209@eworld3.net> References: <3F2193B5.8010404@eworld3.net> <20030725204014.GA4794@mail.el-swifto.com> <3F21A213.5090303@eworld3.net> <20030725214300.GA6243@mail.el-swifto.com> <3F21AAAC.2060209@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <20030725223304.GA7598@mail.el-swifto.com> On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 05:09:48PM -0500, Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > [root@myLinux root]# ifconfig eth0 > eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:02:2A:BA:07:60 > inet addr:192.168.1.1 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 > UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 > RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:0 errors:478 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:956 > collisions:0 > RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) > > [root@myLinux root]# route -n > Kernel IP routing table > Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface > 63.231.196.248 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 ppp0 > 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 > 127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo > 0.0.0.0 63.231.196.248 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 ppp0 > Nothing looks obviously wrong to me. What sort of network card is it? -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri Jul 25 17:35:52 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:46 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] now my computers ignore each other In-Reply-To: <3F2193B5.8010404@eworld3.net> References: <3F2193B5.8010404@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <20030725223552.GA925@techmonkeys.org> What does mii-tool (or mii-diag) say on the linux box? Do both systems think they're linked at the same speed and duplex. Also, are they plugged into the same outlet? Check for ground loops. (Lick your fingers, grab the back of both cases at the same time, if it shocks you, fix the ground loop =) On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 03:31:49PM -0500, Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > This is my first message on this list, so please be gentle :-) > > I have two computers connected by a crossover cable and identical NICs. > One is running Mandrake 9.1 and the other is running W2k. I have had > them communicating perfectly for quite a while. I was able to use Samba > (so cool!) & VNC (to avoid buying a KVM switch) & of course ping. But > after shutting the machines down before a lightning storm a few weeks > ago, I can't get them to talk. > [snip] -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From PCrissman at lwcc.org Fri Jul 25 19:34:43 2003 From: PCrissman at lwcc.org (Philip Crissman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] connected, but no DNS! Message-ID: I updated drivers and can connect to the internet (comcast cable modem) with no problem... but DNS isn't working! I'm sure (I hope) it's something obvious that I missed. When I called comcast they said that every thing, including DNS, ought to be assigned dynamically (of course, the support person I spoke to didn't know what DHCP was, let alone what linux was, so...). Any ideas what the trouble could be? In case it's relevant, I am using a Belkin router in between my PC and the cable modem; but so far, everything works the same even if plug straight into the modem; connection, but no DNS. It works fine in XP, curse them to oblivion. adv(Thanks)ance, Phil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030725/9139784f/attachment.html From mj at toyotavans.org Fri Jul 25 20:03:46 2003 From: mj at toyotavans.org (M. Jentges) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] connected, but no DNS! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F21D372.4000203@toyotavans.org> Sounds like you're not 'registered' perhaps? I think you have to "register" your PC or some garbage like that. -mj Philip Crissman wrote: > I updated drivers and can connect to the internet (comcast cable modem) > with no problem... but DNS isn't working! I'm sure (I hope) it's > something obvious that I missed. When I called comcast they said that > every thing, including DNS, ought to be assigned dynamically (of course, > the support person I spoke to didn't know what DHCP was, let alone what > linux was, so...). > > Any ideas what the trouble could be? > In case it's relevant, I am using a Belkin router in between my PC and > the cable modem; but so far, everything works the same even if plug > straight into the modem; connection, but no DNS. It works fine in XP, > curse them to oblivion. > > adv(Thanks)ance, > Phil > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Fri Jul 25 21:03:46 2003 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] now my computers ignore each other In-Reply-To: <20030725223552.GA925@techmonkeys.org> References: <3F2193B5.8010404@eworld3.net> <20030725223552.GA925@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <3F21E182.3010701@eworld3.net> [root@myLinux root]# mii-tool eth0: no link hmmm... [root@myLinux root]# mii-tool -r restarting autonegotiation... [root@myLinux root]# mii-tool eth0: autonegotiation restarted, no link hmmmmmmmm... Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > What does mii-tool (or mii-diag) say on the linux box? Do > both systems think they're linked at the same speed and duplex. > > Also, are they plugged into the same outlet? Check for ground loops. > (Lick your fingers, grab the back of both cases at the same time, if > it shocks you, fix the ground loop =) > They are plugged into a power strip so I guess the answer is yes, they are plugged into the same outlet. Are you saying that I may not have proper grounding? -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff rick@eworld3.net 952-929-1659 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Fri Jul 25 21:06:02 2003 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] now my computers ignore each other In-Reply-To: <20030725223304.GA7598@mail.el-swifto.com> References: <3F2193B5.8010404@eworld3.net> <20030725204014.GA4794@mail.el-swifto.com> <3F21A213.5090303@eworld3.net> <20030725214300.GA6243@mail.el-swifto.com> <3F21AAAC.2060209@eworld3.net> <20030725223304.GA7598@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <3F21E20A.3030202@eworld3.net> John J. Trammell wrote: > On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 05:09:48PM -0500, Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > >>[root@myLinux root]# ifconfig eth0 >>eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:02:2A:BA:07:60 >> inet addr:192.168.1.1 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 >> UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 >> RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 >> TX packets:0 errors:478 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:956 >> collisions:0 >> RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) >> >>[root@myLinux root]# route -n >>Kernel IP routing table >>Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface >>63.231.196.248 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 ppp0 >>192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 >>127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo >>0.0.0.0 63.231.196.248 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 ppp0 >> > > > Nothing looks obviously wrong to me. What sort of network card is it? > admtek, it uses the tulip driver on linux. I talked to Jima at the beer meeting, he suspects the cable. It's certainly possible but I'd like to narrow it down a bit before jumping to this conclusion. I suppose I could replace the crossover with a hub but I don't know what config changes I would have to make. -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff rick@eworld3.net 952-929-1659 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Fri Jul 25 21:54:24 2003 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] now my computers ignore each other In-Reply-To: <3F21E20A.3030202@eworld3.net> References: <3F2193B5.8010404@eworld3.net> <20030725204014.GA4794@mail.el-swifto.com> <3F21A213.5090303@eworld3.net> <20030725214300.GA6243@mail.el-swifto.com> <3F21AAAC.2060209@eworld3.net> <20030725223304.GA7598@mail.el-swifto.com> <3F21E20A.3030202@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <1059188063.6651.3.camel@cesium> On Fri, 2003-07-25 at 21:06, Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > I suppose I could replace the crossover with a hub > but I don't know what config changes I would have to make. You shouldn't have to make any configuration changes to either box if all you are doing is replacing the x-over cable with two straight-throughs and a hub. At the very least it would confirm or deny the fault in the cable. -- The Wandering Dru aka Andy Moore _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Fri Jul 25 22:02:29 2003 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] connected, but no DNS! In-Reply-To: <3F21D372.4000203@toyotavans.org> References: <3F21D372.4000203@toyotavans.org> Message-ID: <1059188548.6652.11.camel@cesium> On Fri, 2003-07-25 at 20:03, M. Jentges wrote: > Sounds like you're not 'registered' perhaps? I think you have to > "register" your PC or some garbage like that. > > -mj Normally, what they "register" is the MAC address of the network card which is OS independent. Are you running any firewalling on the linux box? If so, check to make sure you aren't blocking DNS traffic. Worst case, write down the IP(s) of the DNS server(s) and edit your /etc/resolv.conf file. Add the following: nameserver nameserver etc... save out and you should be good to go. -- The Wandering Dru _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Fri Jul 25 22:25:07 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (johnny fulcrum) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] connected, but no DNS! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Maybe You could try setting your router to act as your XP machine's MAC address - I bet that XP machine's MAC address is registered with Comcast thus only it can dynamically recieve configurations... On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 19:34:43 -0500, Philip Crissman wrote: > I updated drivers and can connect to the internet (comcast cable modem) > with no problem... but DNS isn't working! I'm sure (I hope) it's > something obvious that I missed. When I called comcast they said that > every thing, including DNS, ought to be assigned dynamically (of course, > the support person I spoke to didn't know what DHCP was, let alone what > linux was, so...). > Any ideas what the trouble could be? In case it's relevant, I am using a > Belkin router in between my PC and > the cable modem; but so far, everything works the same even if plug > straight into the modem; connection, but no DNS. It works fine in XP, > curse them to oblivion. > adv(Thanks)ance, > Phil > -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Fri Jul 25 22:37:23 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] connected, but no DNS! References: Message-ID: <002101c35327$39c46cb0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Philip Crissman writes: > I updated drivers and can connect to the internet (comcast cable > modem) with no problem... but DNS isn't working! Run your own DNS cache: http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/run-cache.html -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Sat Jul 26 01:01:28 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slight OT: Linux+wifi+video+snowboarding HOWTO? Message-ID: <200307260101.28961@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Last winter I discovered snowboarding. I tell everyone who will listen how great it is, but they always ask, "What's does it mean to ollie off a ridge and drop into a bowl?" I'd like to show them. So, how can I get a camera on my helmet and capture what snowboarding is really like? My initial thought is some sort of ruggedized camera (make/model anyone?) connected to a small battery(?) operated wifi-enable-linux-box (sokeris?). This would be the action-camera, capturing all the thrills of boarding. Following behind, would be the "media" server. A laptop(?) with a wifi card capturing the action and putting it onto the drive(?)/cf disk(?). Putting the wifi cards into ad-hoc mode should give us a "network". I'm not sure about a battery powered sokeris box or the ruggedized camera. Any suggestions? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From pcrissman at lwcc.org Sat Jul 26 00:59:05 2003 From: pcrissman at lwcc.org (Phil Crissman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Thanks! (was, connected, but no DNS!) In-Reply-To: <002101c35327$39c46cb0$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <002101c35327$39c46cb0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <1059199080.3870.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Well, it's working. Thanks to everybody who responded, everything was helpful. I wound up tweaking my firewall to accept DHCP (although I would have thought it was already doing so, it was the normal `setup-during-install' redhat firewall), and then finding some DNS server IPs with google (comcast wouldn't give me any DNS IPs, they insisted that they would be assigned dynamically)... And it worked! It isn't blazingly fast, perhaps I'll experiment with making a different DNS the primary one... Thanks again! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Jul 26 01:40:25 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slight OT: Linux+wifi+video+snowboarding HOWTO? In-Reply-To: <200307260101.28961@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <200307260101.28961@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20030726064025.GE925@techmonkeys.org> On Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 01:01:28AM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > So, how can I get a camera on my helmet and capture what snowboarding is > really like? Something like this: http://www.x10.com/products/x10_vk45a.htm (with the battery pack, of course: http://www.x10.com/products/x10_zb10a.htm) With either built-in video-in on the laptop, or this: http://www.hauppauge.com/html/usb_data.htm with this for live broadcasting: http://www.videolan.org/ or this for simple recording+encoding to divx: http://www.stack.nl/~brama/vcr/ -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com Thu Jul 24 00:44:39 2003 From: MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com (Mark Courtney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DNS Resolutions Message-ID: <17022.12.165.32.4.1059025479.squirrel@webmail.karenmarie.com> I recently had to move my Web server/DNS server. I've gone through the procedure before, but after changing the IP of my domains in the name server to the new IP, I always have to wait for the Internet to catch up and resolve the domains. Here's the procudure I use: 1. Put a temporary DNS server at the new location and point the IP's to the old location's IP. 2. Register the new name server at the place where I registered the domains. 3. Change the primary DNS server of my domains at the place that I register from the old name server to the new name server. 4. Turn off the old name server after the domains have the new name server as the primary name server. I check this with a `whois`. 5. Everything works fine up to this point. 6. Once I have moved the DNS/Web server, I change the IP's in the DNS server and Web server to point to the new IP. This method works, but I always have to wait at least a day before things catch up and start resolving. Is there a way to go about this IP changing without having the downtime while waiting for all the DNS servers on the Internet to get the new IP? Thanks, list. Any input is appreciated. Mark Courtney http://www.MarkCourtney.com __ +|oo|+ +|oo|+ || || || || || || _ || _ \\_||_// | [] | | || | / [] \ \______/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com Mon Jul 21 21:28:10 2003 From: MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com (Mark Courtney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DNS Resolutions Message-ID: <33061.209.98.213.137.1058840890.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> I recently had to move my Web server/DNS server. I've gone through the procedure before, but after changing the IP of my domains in the name server, I always have to wait for the Internet to catch up and resolve the domains. Here's the procudure I use: 1. Put a temporary DNS server at the new location and point the IP's to the old location's IP. 2. Register the new name server at the place where I registered the domains. 3. Change the DNS servers of my domains at the place that I register from the old name server to the new name server. 4. Turn off the old name server after the new one name server starts resolving. I check this with a `whois`. 5. Everything works fine up to this point. 6. Once I have moved the DNS/Web server, I change the IP's in the DNS server and Web server to point to the new IP. This method works, but I always have to wait at least a day before things catch up and start resolving. Is there a way to go about this IP changing without having the downtime while waiting for all the DNS servers on the Internet to get the new IP? Thanks, list. Any input is appreciated. Mark Courtney http://www.MarkCourtney.com __ +|oo|+ +|oo|+ || || || || || || _ || _ \\_||_// | [] | | || | / [] \ \______/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sat Jul 26 02:35:01 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:47 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DNS Resolutions References: <33061.209.98.213.137.1058840890.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> Message-ID: <001c01c35348$6c1cbfc0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Mark Courtney writes: > Is there a way to go about this IP changing without having the > downtime while waiting for all the DNS servers on the Internet to get > the new IP? Well in advance of the change, set your TTLs very low. tinydns can dynamically adjust TTLs and automatically switch between two IP addresses at a specified time. This will help eliminate down time, but won't work for everything, as some DNS caches do not respect low TTLs. The only solution is to have the affected services operating on both sets of IP addresses during the transition period. This can be difficult, but it is a requirement. You normally have no way to control the TTLs on your name server glue records. Your procedure is overly complex because you should not have to rename your name servers. Setup name service on both sets of IP addresses. Serve the old addresses from the old name servers and new addresses from the new name servers. Then simply update the IP addresses of the name servers with your registrar (which updates these glue records with the registry). -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Ryan at IntegraOnline.Com Sat Jul 26 06:52:22 2003 From: Ryan at IntegraOnline.Com (Ryan Oertel) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] slightly OT: free alternatives to Norton's Ghost Message-ID: <1059220342.29740.58.camel@sd3.mailbank.com> Does anybody know any free or Open Source alternatives to Norton's Ghost? I'm looking for something which I can put on a bootable floppy and is easy enough to use so I can send it to my dad. It would be nice if it booted Linux, but I'd be happy with anything. -- Ryan Oertel -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I think we have to figure on having 15 - 25 systems per fest, throw in a factor of safety of 1.5, and from that we can figure a "safe" amperage range. Keep in mind that two systems/monitors may get powered up at the same time. -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff rick@eworld3.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jimstreit at northlans.com Sat Jul 26 09:04:10 2003 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (Jim Streit) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slight OT: Linux+wifi+video+snowboarding HOWTO? In-Reply-To: <200307260101.28961@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <200307260101.28961@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <3883.65.116.187.220.1059228250.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> Duh! Doesn't everyone know that an ollie is doing a small jump by lifting the nose of the board first then quickly lifting the rear, thus jumping into the air without a the help of a ramp or jump. Off the ridge, is over a roll, cliff or the top of something. (in this case I am assuming a roll or small cliff by how you used it in your context). And drop into a bowl, is a large area of snow that is usually free from obstructions and has a concave type of appearance. (not to be confused with a pipe) That rocks. What would be really cool is if you did a backside 180 nose grab while you ollie off the ridge, big air, stick it fakey and pull some sweet carves in the bowl. Impress the Betty's. Jim Streit (Boarder since 1986) > Last winter I discovered snowboarding. I tell everyone who will listen > how > great it is, but they always ask, "What's does it mean to ollie off a > ridge > and drop into a bowl?" > > I'd like to show them. > > So, how can I get a camera on my helmet and capture what snowboarding > is > really like? > > My initial thought is some sort of ruggedized camera (make/model > anyone?) > connected to a small battery(?) operated wifi-enable-linux-box > (sokeris?). > This would be the action-camera, capturing all the thrills of > boarding. > > Following behind, would be the "media" server. A laptop(?) with a wifi > card > capturing the action and putting it onto the drive(?)/cf disk(?). > > Putting the wifi cards into ad-hoc mode should give us a "network". > > I'm not sure about a battery powered sokeris box or the ruggedized > camera. Any > suggestions? > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Sat Jul 26 09:18:19 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] now my computers ignore each other In-Reply-To: <3F21E20A.3030202@eworld3.net> References: <3F2193B5.8010404@eworld3.net> <20030725204014.GA4794@mail.el-swifto.com> <3F21A213.5090303@eworld3.net> <20030725214300.GA6243@mail.el-swifto.com> <3F21AAAC.2060209@eworld3.net> <20030725223304.GA7598@mail.el-swifto.com> <3F21E20A.3030202@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <20030726141819.GA716@mail.el-swifto.com> On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 09:06:02PM -0500, Rick Meyerhoff wrote: >John J. Trammell wrote: >>Nothing looks obviously wrong to me. What sort of network card is it? > > admtek, it uses the tulip driver on linux. > A little googling turns up this thread: http://www.tux.org/hypermail/linux-tulip/2003-Mar/0005.html where Donald Becker says, "The modified Tulip driver shipped with most 2.4 kernels is known to be broken with most ADMtek chips". Yikes! For what it's worth, Materials Processing is selling eepro100 cards for $2.50 a pop... > I talked to Jima at the beer meeting, he suspects the cable. It's > certainly possible but I'd like to narrow it down a bit before jumping > to this conclusion. I suppose I could replace the crossover with a hub > but I don't know what config changes I would have to make. Jima may just be right. You shouldn't need to change your config at all if you replace your crossover with a hub. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Sat Jul 26 12:00:49 2003 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Thanks! (was, connected, but no DNS!) In-Reply-To: <20030726170003.10138.17009.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: > From: Phil Crissman > Well, it's working. Thanks to everybody who responded, everything was > helpful. I wound up tweaking my firewall to accept DHCP (although I > would have thought it was already doing so, it was the normal > `setup-during-install' redhat firewall), and then finding some DNS > server IPs with google (comcast wouldn't give me any DNS IPs, they > insisted that they would be assigned dynamically)... > > And it worked! It isn't blazingly fast, perhaps I'll experiment with > making a different DNS the primary one... FYI... I use Comcast and use these DNS entries. (They are sent out with DHCP data as well, and I recorded them before I put a router in place.) DNS1: 63.240.76.19 DNS2: 204.127.198.19 Chris _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Jul 26 12:09:02 2003 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Meeting next week? Message-ID: <1059239341.14070.1.camel@3po> Is there a meeting planned for next week? Any topic selected yet, or does someone have a thing they'd like to do? -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Enemy of the state / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030726/bbbc1cae/attachment.pgp From rick at eworld3.net Sat Jul 26 12:11:23 2003 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] now my computers ignore each other In-Reply-To: <20030726141819.GA716@mail.el-swifto.com> References: <3F2193B5.8010404@eworld3.net> <20030725204014.GA4794@mail.el-swifto.com> <3F21A213.5090303@eworld3.net> <20030725214300.GA6243@mail.el-swifto.com> <3F21AAAC.2060209@eworld3.net> <20030725223304.GA7598@mail.el-swifto.com> <3F21E20A.3030202@eworld3.net> <20030726141819.GA716@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <3F22B63B.8010406@eworld3.net> John J. Trammell wrote: > On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 09:06:02PM -0500, Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > >>John J. Trammell wrote: >> >>>Nothing looks obviously wrong to me. What sort of network card is it? >> >>admtek, it uses the tulip driver on linux. >> > > > A little googling turns up this thread: > > http://www.tux.org/hypermail/linux-tulip/2003-Mar/0005.html > > where Donald Becker says, "The modified Tulip driver shipped with most > 2.4 kernels is known to be broken with most ADMtek chips". Yikes! "Broken" is not very descriptive. I have been using these card sucessfully so the driver can't be "too broken". > For what it's worth, Materials Processing is selling eepro100 cards for > $2.50 a pop... Amazing. I just bought these cards about a year ago for $4 each. > > >>I talked to Jima at the beer meeting, he suspects the cable. It's >>certainly possible but I'd like to narrow it down a bit before jumping >>to this conclusion. I suppose I could replace the crossover with a hub >>but I don't know what config changes I would have to make. > > > Jima may just be right. You shouldn't need to change your config at all > if you replace your crossover with a hub. > Now for the big news. I crawled under my desk to try out the hub and noticed that my link lights are out as well as the other light that's on there, maybe for power? WTF? I'll boot and see if it wakes up. -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff rick@eworld3.net 952-929-1659 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Sat Jul 26 12:21:43 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Meeting next week? In-Reply-To: <1059239341.14070.1.camel@3po> References: <1059239341.14070.1.camel@3po> Message-ID: <20030726172143.GA1870@fandre.com> On Sat, 26 Jul 2003, Mike Hicks wrote: > Is there a meeting planned for next week? Any topic selected yet, or > does someone have a thing they'd like to do? I am trying to find someone willing to talk about the 2.6 kernel series. (what's new, how to compile, etc.) Any volunteers? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Sat Jul 26 12:31:06 2003 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] now my computers ignore each other In-Reply-To: <3F22B63B.8010406@eworld3.net> References: <3F2193B5.8010404@eworld3.net> <20030725204014.GA4794@mail.el-swifto.com> <3F21A213.5090303@eworld3.net> <20030725214300.GA6243@mail.el-swifto.com> <3F21AAAC.2060209@eworld3.net> <20030725223304.GA7598@mail.el-swifto.com> <3F21E20A.3030202@eworld3.net> <20030726141819.GA716@mail.el-swifto.com> <3F22B63B.8010406@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <3F22BADA.5010308@eworld3.net> Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > > Now for the big news. I crawled under my desk to try out the hub and > noticed that my link lights are out as well as the other light that's on > there, maybe for power? WTF? > > I'll boot and see if it wakes up. No change. I tried the hub and the link light of myW2k turns on but not myLinux! Did my NIC die? Why do these things always happen to me? I don't think I'm asking for much. I just have *two* computers, nothing fancy. -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff rick@eworld3.net 952-929-1659 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sat Jul 26 12:42:30 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] now my computers ignore each other References: <3F2193B5.8010404@eworld3.net> <20030725204014.GA4794@mail.el-swifto.com> <3F21A213.5090303@eworld3.net> <20030725214300.GA6243@mail.el-swifto.com> <3F21AAAC.2060209@eworld3.net> <20030725223304.GA7598@mail.el-swifto.com> <3F21E20A.3030202@eworld3.net> <20030726141819.GA716@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <000a01c3539d$49636f10$0201a8c0@brinstar> John J. Trammell writes: > For what it's worth, Materials Processing is selling eepro100 cards > for $2.50 a pop... Do you have a link? Those are $30 cards (or at least they used to be). -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sat Jul 26 12:44:11 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] now my computers ignore each other In-Reply-To: <20030726141819.GA716@mail.el-swifto.com> References: <3F2193B5.8010404@eworld3.net> <20030725204014.GA4794@mail.el-swifto.com> <3F21A213.5090303@eworld3.net> <20030725214300.GA6243@mail.el-swifto.com> <3F21AAAC.2060209@eworld3.net> <20030725223304.GA7598@mail.el-swifto.com> <3F21E20A.3030202@eworld3.net> <20030726141819.GA716@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <20030726174411.GF925@techmonkeys.org> On Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 09:18:19AM -0500, John J. Trammell wrote: > For what it's worth, Materials Processing is selling eepro100 cards for > $2.50 a pop... > I was told they closed the surplus store, is this not true? -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Sat Jul 26 12:45:46 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] now my computers ignore each other In-Reply-To: <000a01c3539d$49636f10$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <3F2193B5.8010404@eworld3.net> <20030725204014.GA4794@mail.el-swifto.com> <3F21A213.5090303@eworld3.net> <20030725214300.GA6243@mail.el-swifto.com> <3F21AAAC.2060209@eworld3.net> <20030725223304.GA7598@mail.el-swifto.com> <3F21E20A.3030202@eworld3.net> <20030726141819.GA716@mail.el-swifto.com> <000a01c3539d$49636f10$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20030726174546.GA6020@mail.el-swifto.com> On Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 12:42:30PM -0500, David Phillips wrote: > John J. Trammell writes: > > For what it's worth, Materials Processing is selling eepro100 cards > > for $2.50 a pop... > > Do you have a link? Those are $30 cards (or at least they used to be). > http://www.mn-linux.org/links/, look under "TCLUG Links of Interest". -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org Sat Jul 26 14:41:02 2003 From: jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org (Joseph Key) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] now my computers ignore each other In-Reply-To: <20030726174411.GF925@techmonkeys.org> References: <3F2193B5.8010404@eworld3.net> <20030725204014.GA4794@mail.el-swifto.com> <3F21A213.5090303@eworld3.net> <20030725214300.GA6243@mail.el-swifto.com> <3F21AAAC.2060209@eworld3.net> <20030725223304.GA7598@mail.el-swifto.com> <3F21E20A.3030202@eworld3.net> <20030726141819.GA716@mail.el-swifto.com>, <20030726141819.GA716@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: "Matthew S. Hallacy" said: > On Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 09:18:19AM -0500, John J. Trammell wrote: > > For what it's worth, Materials Processing is selling eepro100 cards for > > $2.50 a pop... > > > > I was told they closed the surplus store, is this not true? > > -- > Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified > http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > The surplus store is still open. It just has limited hours. It is open from 10am to 5 pm Thursdays and Fridays only. -- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Sat Jul 26 17:24:49 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slight OT: Linux+wifi+video+snowboarding HOWTO? In-Reply-To: <200307260101.28961@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <200307260101.28961@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20030726172449.44fb5427.sfertch@real-time.com> On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 01:01:28 -0500 Bob Tanner wrote: > Last winter I discovered snowboarding. I tell everyone who will listen > how great it is, but they always ask, "What's does it mean to ollie > off a ridge and drop into a bowl?" > I learned the hard way that I'm better of with skis than a snowboard. After a day of snowboarding, that was the most my body had ever been beaten up in a long time! I'm no coach potato either, I'm involved with a few sports.... -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Sat Jul 26 18:16:04 2003 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:48 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slight OT: Linux+wifi+video+snowboarding HOWTO? In-Reply-To: <200307260101.28961@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <200307260101.28961@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <200307261816.04705.jack@jacku.com> On Saturday 26 July 2003 1:01 am, Bob Tanner wrote: > Last winter I discovered snowboarding. I tell everyone who will listen how > great it is, but they always ask, "What's does it mean to ollie off a ridge > and drop into a bowl?" > > I'd like to show them. > > So, how can I get a camera on my helmet and capture what snowboarding is > really like? > > My initial thought is some sort of ruggedized camera (make/model anyone?) > connected to a small battery(?) operated wifi-enable-linux-box (sokeris?). > This would be the action-camera, capturing all the thrills of boarding. > > Following behind, would be the "media" server. A laptop(?) with a wifi card > capturing the action and putting it onto the drive(?)/cf disk(?). > > Putting the wifi cards into ad-hoc mode should give us a "network". > > I'm not sure about a battery powered sokeris box or the ruggedized camera. > Any suggestions? What about a small video camera that uses CF or similar for storage. I picked up one a while back at a State Fair show. The maker Aiptek has a bunch of different styles. None are "ruggedized" but they are all small and could probably by made "shock resistant" without adding too much bulk or weight. website: http://www.aiptek.com -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Sat Jul 26 19:15:16 2003 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows server: trying to assign static IP to linux box In-Reply-To: <200307261816.04705.jack@jacku.com> Message-ID: Hello, I have a block of 5 static IP's from qwest. Until I get my new router, I am using an Intel 2200 modem. I have a windows box with XP on it. It is serving right wordevelopment.com now - running Apache. The linux box is running Red Hat 8, and is serving fine at localhost. The windows box has always understood what its IP address is, so I am able to point wordevelopment.com to it. My question is this: Has anyone tried to use a system like this to assign the linux box an IP and get it serving? I imagine this is a very wide open question, so if anyone has even just a good article for me, that'd be great. Someone mentioned to me that I just need to get DHCP softeare for the windows box. TOm _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sat Jul 26 19:55:08 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows server: trying to assign static IP to linux box References: Message-ID: <000601c353d9$b9938f90$0201a8c0@brinstar> PHPTOm writes: > I have a block of 5 static IP's from qwest. Until I get my new > router, I am using an Intel 2200 modem. [...] > I have a windows box with XP on it. It is serving right > wordevelopment.com now - running Apache. The linux box is running > Red Hat 8, and is serving fine at localhost. You aren't making any sense at all. What exactly is the problem? You have five static IPs. Plug your DSL modem into a hub / switch. Plug both of your computers into the switch. Assign each one of them a different IP address. You can assign more than one IP address to each computer, but both computers cannot use the same IP address. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Sat Jul 26 20:05:09 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows server: trying to assign static IP to linux box In-Reply-To: <000601c353d9$b9938f90$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <000601c353d9$b9938f90$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: On Sat, 26 Jul 2003, David Phillips wrote: > You aren't making any sense at all. What exactly is the problem? You have > five static IPs. Plug your DSL modem into a hub / switch. Plug both of > your computers into the switch. Assign each one of them a different IP > address. You can assign more than one IP address to each computer, but both > computers cannot use the same IP address. uhh.. have you ever used the IntelDSLpro 2200? it is a PCI modem that works only in windows. You actually have to enable internet connection sharing in windows and enable advanced routing to allow the PCs beind the w2k box to use external IPs. Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Sat Jul 26 22:26:36 2003 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows server: trying to assign static IP to linux box In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have internet connection sharing enabled. The linux box is on the internet. That is working. I will look into enabling advanced routing. When I assign one of the 5 IP addresses to the linux box, it loses its internet connection. Thanks for the info. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Munir Nassar Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 8:05 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Windows server: trying to assign static IP to linux box On Sat, 26 Jul 2003, David Phillips wrote: > You aren't making any sense at all. What exactly is the problem? You have > five static IPs. Plug your DSL modem into a hub / switch. Plug both of > your computers into the switch. Assign each one of them a different IP > address. You can assign more than one IP address to each computer, but both > computers cannot use the same IP address. uhh.. have you ever used the IntelDSLpro 2200? it is a PCI modem that works only in windows. You actually have to enable internet connection sharing in windows and enable advanced routing to allow the PCs beind the w2k box to use external IPs. Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dante at argle.org Sat Jul 26 22:51:38 2003 From: dante at argle.org (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Speech recognition In-Reply-To: <20030725154955.GA23370@rephil.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Phil Mendelsohn wrote: > > > Message: 10 > > Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 23:37:37 -0500 (CDT) > > From: Yaron > > > Hey there, > > > > Anyone ever set up speech recognition under Linux? I'm trying to go > > through the Official HOWTO but the website seems down, so I thought I'd > > ask for general opinions/experience. > > > > Anyone? > > No, I haven't, but am curious as well. When I last looked into it, I > found that Voice Recognition and OCR were both annoyingly commercial, > even though I run into lots of theory about them in my math work. > > If you find a good open source solution, please post it. > Open source speech recognition: Sphinx2 Rather limited, but good for a start. -- Daniel Taylor dante@argle.org Forget diamonds, Copyright is forever. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Sun Jul 27 10:33:32 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] DNS Resolutions Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE233@mail.temgweb.com> I just set my TTL really low a few days in advance. Some DNS servers don't like the low TTL (AOL didn't, but they appear to honor it now). I usually set it for 5 minutes or so, sometimes less depending on how critical it is. > -----Original Message----- > From: David Phillips [mailto:david@acz.org] > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 2:35 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] DNS Resolutions > > > Mark Courtney writes: > > Is there a way to go about this IP changing without having the > > downtime while waiting for all the DNS servers on the > Internet to get > > the new IP? > > Well in advance of the change, set your TTLs very low. tinydns can > dynamically adjust TTLs and automatically switch between two > IP addresses at > a specified time. This will help eliminate down time, but > won't work for > everything, as some DNS caches do not respect low TTLs. > > The only solution is to have the affected services operating > on both sets of > IP addresses during the transition period. This can be > difficult, but it is > a requirement. You normally have no way to control the TTLs > on your name > server glue records. > > Your procedure is overly complex because you should not have > to rename your > name servers. Setup name service on both sets of IP > addresses. Serve the > old addresses from the old name servers and new addresses > from the new name > servers. Then simply update the IP addresses of the name > servers with your > registrar (which updates these glue records with the registry). > > -- > David Phillips > http://david.acz.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dan at omitted.net Sun Jul 27 13:31:20 2003 From: dan at omitted.net (Dan Willenbring) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slight OT: Linux+wifi+video+snowboarding HOWTO? In-Reply-To: <20030727162601.29318.87902.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> References: <20030727162601.29318.87902.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: <33186.63.199.231.76.1059330680.squirrel@webmail.nerp.net> You could get a Canon ELPH. They're small and take up to 3 minutes of video at one time (I think its limited by some buffer, you can take many 3 minute clips provided you have CF space). The video is decent quality too. I wouldn't make production films out of it, but for the 'net its great. They are fairly rugged. I've had mine out in the rain several times, dropped it on the concrete sidewalk a couple times, it still works great! http://www.powershot.com/powershot2/s400/ They also have a waterproof case for it, so it wouldn't make much difference if your head ended up in a snowbank or something. :) http://tinyurl.com/i7f8 -- Dan Willenbring www.omitted.net dan@omitted.net > Message: 11 > From: Jack Ungerleider > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Slight OT: Linux+wifi+video+snowboarding HOWTO? > Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 18:16:04 -0500 > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > On Saturday 26 July 2003 1:01 am, Bob Tanner wrote: >> Last winter I discovered snowboarding. I tell everyone who will listen >> how great it is, but they always ask, "What's does it mean to ollie >> off a ridge and drop into a bowl?" >> >> I'd like to show them. >> >> So, how can I get a camera on my helmet and capture what snowboarding >> is really like? >> >> My initial thought is some sort of ruggedized camera (make/model >> anyone?) connected to a small battery(?) operated >> wifi-enable-linux-box (sokeris?). This would be the action-camera, >> capturing all the thrills of boarding. >> >> Following behind, would be the "media" server. A laptop(?) with a wifi >> card capturing the action and putting it onto the drive(?)/cf disk(?). >> >> Putting the wifi cards into ad-hoc mode should give us a "network". >> >> I'm not sure about a battery powered sokeris box or the ruggedized >> camera. Any suggestions? > > What about a small video camera that uses CF or similar for storage. I > picked up one a while back at a State Fair show. The maker Aiptek has a > bunch of different styles. None are "ruggedized" but they are all small > and could probably by made "shock resistant" without adding too much > bulk or weight. > > website: http://www.aiptek.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From STEVEWABC at netscape.net Sun Jul 27 13:49:35 2003 From: STEVEWABC at netscape.net (STEVEWABC@netscape.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: <3DE80A17.714ED2EC.026842C8@netscape.net> I'm looking for a programer, and web Designer,Builder. You will Be able to work out of your Home. You must no Linux vary well...This will start out Part time but may lead up to full time sometime this spring.... Please email me at stevewabc@comcast. __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Mon Jul 28 01:11:59 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: noise, testing relay changes Message-ID: <200307280111.59207@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Sorry for the noise. Testing to make sure mail.real-time.com cannot relay through mn-linux.org (pirate/mailing list). Only mx1 and mx2 are allowed to relay now. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Mon Jul 28 09:15:01 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] moving home directories Message-ID: <00bc01c35512$a2ca6010$6400a8c0@DELL2> I have a server that is just about toast. For now I can still get at my data. Is there a way to copy (most importantly) home directories over to my new server, and still retain the proper permissions? Raymond Norton --- Wisdom is justified by her children. --- Jesus _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Mon Jul 28 09:17:09 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] moving home directories In-Reply-To: <00bc01c35512$a2ca6010$6400a8c0@DELL2> Message-ID: tar? cp -Rp? On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Raymond Norton wrote: > I have a server that is just about toast. For now I can still get at my > data. Is there a way to copy (most importantly) home directories over to my > new server, and still retain the proper permissions? > > > > > Raymond Norton > > --- > > Wisdom is justified by her children. > > --- Jesus > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From carlos at eberhardt.net Mon Jul 28 09:27:50 2003 From: carlos at eberhardt.net (Carlos Eberhardt) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] moving home directories In-Reply-To: <00bc01c35512$a2ca6010$6400a8c0@DELL2> References: <00bc01c35512$a2ca6010$6400a8c0@DELL2> Message-ID: <200307280927.50491.carlos@eberhardt.net> On Monday 28 July 2003 09:15 am, Raymond Norton wrote: > I have a server that is just about toast. For now I can still get at my > data. Is there a way to copy (most importantly) home directories over to my > new server, and still retain the proper permissions? > cp -ax ? http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-partplan.html _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Mon Jul 28 09:28:22 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] moving home directories In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Monday, Jul 28, 2003, at 09:17 US/Central, Adam Maloney wrote: > tar? > > cp -Rp? > rsync -a is your friend. > > On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Raymond Norton wrote: > >> I have a server that is just about toast. For now I can still get at >> my >> data. Is there a way to copy (most importantly) home directories over >> to my >> new server, and still retain the proper permissions? >> >> >> >> >> Raymond Norton >> >> --- >> >> Wisdom is justified by her children. >> >> --- Jesus >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Ben Lutgens System Administrator, Server Wizard, Email Guru US Admins, Inc _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Mon Jul 28 09:56:02 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] moving home directories References: <00bc01c35512$a2ca6010$6400a8c0@DELL2> <200307280927.50491.carlos@eberhardt.net> Message-ID: <000a01c35518$5d6b3930$0201a8c0@brinstar> Carlos Eberhardt writes: > cp -ax ? Those options are GNU specific. If you want to be portable, use "-Rp". -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Mon Jul 28 10:11:32 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] moving home directories In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Ben Lutgens wrote: > rsync -a is your friend. I strongly second this. Also see the -e flag: `rsync -ae ssh /home/ otherbox:/home/` That will invoke SSH to copy /home/ on the local box to /home/ on otherbox. Very handy. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Mon Jul 28 10:25:31 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] moving home directories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030728102531.326043a1.sfertch@real-time.com> On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 10:11:32 -0500 (CDT) Jima wrote: > On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Ben Lutgens wrote: > > rsync -a is your friend. > > I strongly second this. Also see the -e flag: > > `rsync -ae ssh /home/ otherbox:/home/` > > That will invoke SSH to copy /home/ on the local box to /home/ on > otherbox. Very handy. > Cool, I'm going to have to try this sometime... Here's a "dirty" way I do it at work using cpio (unsecure I know): find . -depth -print| cpio -o|remsh "cd /dir; cpio -ivdm" > /tmp/cpio.l og 2>&1 Or, even quicker: find . -print|cpio -ocv|remsh "umask 0; cd /; cpio -icvdum" However, if someone is actively on the box, it won't pick up any new files. If no one is logged in, and the box is idle it's "okay." -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Mon Jul 28 10:32:07 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:49 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] moving home directories In-Reply-To: <00bc01c35512$a2ca6010$6400a8c0@DELL2> References: <00bc01c35512$a2ca6010$6400a8c0@DELL2> Message-ID: <20030728153207.GA4082@mail.el-swifto.com> On Mon, Jul 28, 2003 at 09:15:01AM -0500, Raymond Norton wrote: > I have a server that is just about toast. For now I can still get at my > data. Is there a way to copy (most importantly) home directories over to my > new server, and still retain the proper permissions? > I've done this with tar + netcat in the past. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Mon Jul 28 10:57:15 2003 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] slightly OT: free alternatives to Norton's Ghost In-Reply-To: <1059220342.29740.58.camel@sd3.mailbank.com> References: <1059220342.29740.58.camel@sd3.mailbank.com> Message-ID: <20030728105715.A18080@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 06:52:22AM -0500, Ryan Oertel wrote: > Does anybody know any free or Open Source alternatives to Norton's > Ghost? I'm looking for something which I can put on a bootable floppy > and is easy enough to use so I can send it to my dad. It would be nice > if it booted Linux, but I'd be happy with anything. I guess it depends on your Dad. If he's not commandline-phobic (if he's used DOS, then he should be fine) try looking at previous threads for Ghetto Ghost. Here's one link to start you out: http://archives2.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2001-May/035331.html I also see at least a couple of possibilities on freshmeat: g4u: http://freshmeat.net/projects/g4u/?topic_id=137%2C147%2C253 and CluCo: http://freshmeat.net/projects/cluclo/?topic_id=147%2C136%2C141 -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amoore at loneoakmn.com Mon Jul 28 11:16:58 2003 From: amoore at loneoakmn.com (Andy Moore) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] moving home directories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F254C7A.1070208@loneoakmn.com> Jima wrote: > `rsync -ae ssh /home/ otherbox:/home/` > Ooooooooo Now that's sexy. 8-) ---- The Wandering Dru _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rotbau at mn.rr.com Mon Jul 28 11:08:13 2003 From: rotbau at mn.rr.com (rotbau) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Upgraded Kernel - now can't boot References: <20030725213201.16034.98355.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: <000701c35522$76c86740$3389a8c0@r0q4o4> Alright, I pulled a bone headed move. I upgraded my kernel and somehow munged the lilo command to update the MBR. In retrospec I think I know what might have happened, but that is of little help now. The system has a SCSI drive for the OS and then an IDE drive for storage. I think the MBR might have been written to the IDE drive, not the SCSI. Anyway here is the background: System: Redhat 7.1 on a Integraph dual PII 300; Symbios logic SCSI controller (sym53c8xx driver); segate 4 GB SCSI drive, western digital 10 GB IDE drive. Using LILO to boot. Root partition is on /dev/sda6. Symptoms: On reboot - system gets to the L in LILO and stops. Using a boot disk fails with a Kernel Panic - init failed - try passing init= during boot. Rescue disk fails with an unspecified error at a blue screen. I think the boot disk I am using is for an older system that was IDE based. Maybe if I can add the sym53c8xx driver to the floppy and intialize it during boot that might help. What I have tried so far: I have tried passing various settings on to the boot disk such as the location of root=/dev/sda6 and also various init commands such as init=/sbin/init or init=/bin/bash but always the same kernel panic. I believe that the major problem with the boot disk is that I am not loading the SCSI driver so there is no way linux can see the sda device. I also have tried rescue mode but it fails to fully intialize and I don't know what is happening there. Any tips on how to get past this? I have googled for solutions but none of the suggestions to data have help me. I have considered putting in another drive and installing linux in parallel and then trying to mount the old disk and fix the problem, but anything I can try before that would be great. Thanks. regards, rotbau _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Mon Jul 28 11:35:56 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] look how smart i am!!! Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3651@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Ok....out of boredom I just went and installed Debian on my laptop and made a stupid mistake.... I started the X server with no WM installed....smart huh??? Now I have this pretty flashing screen that will allow me to do nothing....i have tried CTRL+ALT+BKSPC and nothing happens...same with CTRL"+ALT+ESC...short of power cycle nothing works....when I rebooted it went straight away into X How do I get back to my loverly CLI and fix my fsck-up? Also would the fact that I used my XF86Config from my FreeBSD install on the same laptop be an issue? Dan Lansing -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030728/e6dd7db6/attachment.htm From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Mon Jul 28 11:46:15 2003 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] look how smart i am!!! In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3651@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3651@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <20030728114614.A18139@gordo.space.umn.edu> On Mon, Jul 28, 2003 at 11:35:56AM -0500, Lansing, Dan wrote: > I started the X server with no WM installed....smart huh??? > Now I have this pretty flashing screen that will allow me to do > nothing....i have tried CTRL+ALT+BKSPC and nothing > happens...same with CTRL"+ALT+ESC...short of power cycle > nothing works....when I rebooted it went straight away into X > How do I get back to my loverly CLI and fix my fsck-up? Also > would the fact that I used my XF86Config from my FreeBSD > install on the same laptop be an issue? Did you try ctrl+alt+F1 (or any of the F#s 1-6)? You should be able to get to a virtual terminal that way and fix you problem from the command line. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From loren at lorenburlingame.com Mon Jul 28 11:52:58 2003 From: loren at lorenburlingame.com (Loren Burlingame) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] look how smart i am!!! In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3651@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3651@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <3F2554EA.2060306@lorenburlingame.com> Lansing, Dan wrote: > How do I get back to my loverly CLI and fix my fsck-up? Also would the > fact that I used my XF86Config from my FreeBSD install on the same > laptop be an issue? > > Dan Lansing > Can you hit CTL + ALT + F1 (through F6)? to get back to another virtual console? I am pretty sure that this is how I have worked around a non-working X session in the past. LB _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bbaptist at iexposure.com Mon Jul 28 11:58:10 2003 From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] look how smart i am!!! In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3651@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3651@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <200307281158.10380.bbaptist@iexposure.com> On Monday 28 July 2003 11:35 am, Lansing, Dan wrote: > Ok....out of boredom I just went and installed Debian on my laptop and made > a stupid mistake.... I started the X server with no WM installed....smart > huh??? > Now I have this pretty flashing screen that will allow me to do > nothing....i have tried CTRL+ALT+BKSPC and nothing happens...same with > CTRL"+ALT+ESC...short of power cycle nothing works....when I rebooted it > went straight away into X How do I get back to my loverly CLI and fix my > fsck-up? Also would the fact that I used my XF86Config from my FreeBSD > install on the same laptop be an issue? > > Dan Lansing If you have a lilo prompt you can type linux init 2 and get into run level 2, which is multi-user on debian if I remember correctly. Make sure to subsitute the "linux" above with your kernel name. -- Bret Baptist Systems and Technical Support Specialist bbaptist@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 x17 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services ------------------------------------------ Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amoore at loneoakmn.com Mon Jul 28 11:59:11 2003 From: amoore at loneoakmn.com (Andy Moore) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Upgraded Kernel - now can't boot In-Reply-To: <000701c35522$76c86740$3389a8c0@r0q4o4> References: <20030725213201.16034.98355.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> <000701c35522$76c86740$3389a8c0@r0q4o4> Message-ID: <3F25565F.3010009@loneoakmn.com> rotbau wrote: > Alright, I pulled a bone headed move. I upgraded my kernel and somehow > munged the lilo command to update the MBR. Tom's root boot is your friend. http://www.toms.net/rb/download.html ---- The Wandering Dru _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Mon Jul 28 12:13:06 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] look how smart i am!!! Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3652@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Neither the CTRL+AL+F* worked nor init 2 It said it was going into run level 2 then ran xdm any ideas or do I have to reinstall? No big deal since it is a fresh naked install but if I don't have to I can learn how to un-stupid my system Dan Lansing ITSC -----Original Message----- From: Bret Baptist [mailto:bbaptist@iexposure.com] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 11:58 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] look how smart i am!!! On Monday 28 July 2003 11:35 am, Lansing, Dan wrote: > Ok....out of boredom I just went and installed Debian on my laptop and made > a stupid mistake.... I started the X server with no WM installed....smart > huh??? > Now I have this pretty flashing screen that will allow me to do > nothing....i have tried CTRL+ALT+BKSPC and nothing happens...same with > CTRL"+ALT+ESC...short of power cycle nothing works....when I rebooted it > went straight away into X How do I get back to my loverly CLI and fix my > fsck-up? Also would the fact that I used my XF86Config from my FreeBSD > install on the same laptop be an issue? > > Dan Lansing If you have a lilo prompt you can type linux init 2 and get into run level 2, which is multi-user on debian if I remember correctly. Make sure to subsitute the "linux" above with your kernel name. -- Bret Baptist Systems and Technical Support Specialist bbaptist@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 x17 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services ------------------------------------------ Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Mon Jul 28 12:17:52 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] look how smart i am!!! In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3652@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Lansing, Dan wrote: > Neither the CTRL+AL+F* worked nor init 2 It said it was going into run > level 2 then ran xdm any ideas or do I have to reinstall? No big deal > since it is a fresh naked install but if I don't have to I can learn > how to un-stupid my system Boot into single user mode (add 'single' to the lilo prompt), and run: update-rc.d -f xdm remove This should stop xdm from starting up on bootup. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Mon Jul 28 12:24:35 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] look how smart i am!!! Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3653@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> w00t! worked! thanks! Dan Lansing -----Original Message----- From: Nate Carlson [mailto:natecars@real-time.com] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 12:18 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: RE: [TCLUG] look how smart i am!!! Boot into single user mode (add 'single' to the lilo prompt), and run: update-rc.d -f xdm remove This should stop xdm from starting up on bootup. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Mon Jul 28 13:38:11 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Meeting next week? In-Reply-To: <20030726172143.GA1870@fandre.com> References: <1059239341.14070.1.camel@3po> <20030726172143.GA1870@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20030728183811.GC4859@fandre.com> On Sat, 26 Jul 2003, Clay Fandre wrote: > > On Sat, 26 Jul 2003, Mike Hicks wrote: > > > Is there a meeting planned for next week? Any topic selected yet, or > > does someone have a thing they'd like to do? > > I am trying to find someone willing to talk about the 2.6 kernel > series. (what's new, how to compile, etc.) Any volunteers? Hmmm, is this thing on? So nobody is willing to go through a simple 2.6 kernel build? OK, you don't even have to talk. Just stand there and look like you know what you are doing. Unless someone has something else they'd like to talk about. -- Clay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mschilli at vss.fsi.com Mon Jul 28 13:54:34 2003 From: mschilli at vss.fsi.com (Matt Schillinger) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux router Message-ID: <1059418474.1466.10.camel@mosix> Jim, I saw a post on linux routing that you made in november about looking for a linux router solution. Did you find a good solution? I found a cdrom router distro that seems ok.. I'm researching to find a good solution, and what I'd really like is a system that can route multiple gigabit interface (6-8 would be great).. so i'm looking for answers and perhaps success stories. Thanks, -- Matt Schillinger System Administrator FlightSafety International mschilli@vss.fsi.com 314-551-8403 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Mon Jul 28 14:56:44 2003 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Meeting next week? In-Reply-To: <20030728183811.GC4859@fandre.com> References: <1059239341.14070.1.camel@3po> <20030726172143.GA1870@fandre.com> <20030728183811.GC4859@fandre.com> Message-ID: <20030728195644.GA8585@refried.org> On Mon, Jul 28, 2003 at 01:38:11PM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > On Sat, 26 Jul 2003, Clay Fandre wrote: > > I am trying to find someone willing to talk about the 2.6 kernel > > series. (what's new, how to compile, etc.) Any volunteers? > > Hmmm, is this thing on? So nobody is willing to go through a simple > 2.6 kernel build? OK, you don't even have to talk. Just stand there > and look like you know what you are doing. Ah, heck. I've done it a few times so I can at least get the discussion started. I don't know everything about it, but I've kept in touch with the development process. Do I have to bring something running 2.6.0-test[123]? Nate _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ben.neigebauer at compellent.com Mon Jul 28 14:36:35 2003 From: ben.neigebauer at compellent.com (Neigebauer, Ben) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:50 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux router Message-ID: <3DE074F8A2577948899DD010B9FFD6FF90A3E6@C1MAIL1.agiliti.net> A IDE-Compact flash adapter + Industrial Grade compact flash (2 million writes per cell) seems to work great as a boot device, keep this in mind. Benjamin E. Neigebauer Software Engineer Compellent Technologies Eden Prairie, MN 55344 -----Original Message----- From: Matt Schillinger [mailto:mschilli@vss.fsi.com] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 1:55 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] linux router Jim, I saw a post on linux routing that you made in november about looking for a linux router solution. Did you find a good solution? I found a cdrom router distro that seems ok.. I'm researching to find a good solution, and what I'd really like is a system that can route multiple gigabit interface (6-8 would be great).. so i'm looking for answers and perhaps success stories. Thanks, -- Matt Schillinger System Administrator FlightSafety International mschilli@vss.fsi.com 314-551-8403 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Mon Jul 28 15:33:06 2003 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Meeting next week? In-Reply-To: <20030728195644.GA8585@refried.org> References: <1059239341.14070.1.camel@3po> <20030726172143.GA1870@fandre.com> <20030728183811.GC4859@fandre.com> <20030728195644.GA8585@refried.org> Message-ID: <20030728203306.GC7280@iucha.net> On Mon, Jul 28, 2003 at 02:56:44PM -0500, nate@refried.org wrote: > On Mon, Jul 28, 2003 at 01:38:11PM -0500, Clay Fandre wrote: > > On Sat, 26 Jul 2003, Clay Fandre wrote: > > > I am trying to find someone willing to talk about the 2.6 kernel > > > series. (what's new, how to compile, etc.) Any volunteers? > > > > Hmmm, is this thing on? So nobody is willing to go through a simple > > 2.6 kernel build? OK, you don't even have to talk. Just stand there > > and look like you know what you are doing. > > Ah, heck. I've done it a few times so I can at least get the discussion > started. I don't know everything about it, but I've kept in touch with > the development process. > > Do I have to bring something running 2.6.0-test[123]? Yes. An Altix. That room gets colddddd.... florin -- "NT is to UNIX what a doughnut is to a particle accelerator." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030728/51267fa3/attachment.pgp From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Mon Jul 28 15:35:56 2003 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] look how smart i am!!! In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3653@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: On Debian (assuming you installed Woody) you'll get a message about "X failed to start, would you like to fix...blah blah" after XDM/GDM/KDM fails to start the X server 5 or so times. The obvious fix it to properly configure the X server. Booting into single user mode as described above might make it easier. Once logged in as root, start with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. As long as your hardware is supported by XFree86 v4, you want to use the xfree86 Xserver. You have to pay attention here: don't mistake the xserver for the driver. I've done that before and ended up running Xfree86 3.3.6 instead of v.4.1.whatever.is.in.debian. Don't know if Debian has clarified this part of configuration or not. Nate's suggestion of `update-rc.d -f xdm remove` isn't a bad suggestion, but you should know what you're doing. By running that command, you have removed xdm from your startup process. After you reconfigure your Xserver, XDM won't start automatically when you reboot. To restore it, run update-rc.d xdm defaults 99 update-rc.d adds and removes symbolic links in /etc/rc0.d - rc6.d. xdm is the name of the actually init script that lives in /etc/init.d. defaults specifies the default run levels (you can replace defaults with the run levels you want to create the links in, but the command becomes more complex as you have to specify what runlevels to start xdm in and which to stop or not run xdm.) 99 specifies that xdm should be the amoung the last things to get started in that run level. Module loads, hotplug, discover, and such processes get a priority around 10, damons around 20, and xserver is dead last. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Mon Jul 28 15:36:40 2003 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Meeting next week? In-Reply-To: <20030728203306.GC7280@iucha.net> References: <1059239341.14070.1.camel@3po> <20030726172143.GA1870@fandre.com> <20030728183811.GC4859@fandre.com> <20030728195644.GA8585@refried.org> <20030728203306.GC7280@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20030728203640.GB8585@refried.org> On Mon, Jul 28, 2003 at 03:33:06PM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Mon, Jul 28, 2003 at 02:56:44PM -0500, nate@refried.org wrote: > > Do I have to bring something running 2.6.0-test[123]? > > Yes. An Altix. > > That room gets colddddd.... Sorry, I don't think I cat fit one in my car. It doesn't run 2.6 yet either. Nate _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Mon Jul 28 17:44:24 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] look how smart i am!!! In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3651@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <096FBCEF-C14D-11D7-A411-000393B94258@us-admins.com> On Monday, Jul 28, 2003, at 11:35 US/Central, Lansing, Dan wrote: > Ok?.out of boredomIjust went and installedDebianon my laptop and made > a stupid mistake?. > > I started the X server with no WM installed?.smart huh??? actually X comes with twm. If X is "Flashing" as you say, something is wrong with the configuration and _that's_ why X won't start. Have a look at /var/log/XFree86.0.log for some possible reasons why. > > NowIhave this pretty flashing screen that will allow me to do > nothing?.i have tried CTRL+ALT+BKSPC and nothing happens?samewith > CTRL?+ALT+ESC?short of power cycle nothing works?.whenIrebooted it > went straight away into X > > How doIget back to my loverly CLI and fix my fsck-up? Alsowould the > fact thatIused my XF86Config from myFreeBSDinstall on the same laptop > be an issue? > Dan LansingDan Lansing > > > > -- Ben Lutgens System Administrator, Server Wizard, Email Guru US Admins, Inc _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Mon Jul 28 17:46:13 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Upgraded Kernel - now can't boot In-Reply-To: <3F25565F.3010009@loneoakmn.com> Message-ID: <4A56B5D5-C14D-11D7-A411-000393B94258@us-admins.com> On Monday, Jul 28, 2003, at 11:59 US/Central, Andy Moore wrote: > rotbau wrote: > >> Alright, I pulled a bone headed move. I upgraded my kernel and >> somehow >> munged the lilo command to update the MBR. Note: to avoid this trouble in the future, ditch lilo in favor of grub. With grub if there's a problem you can load and kernel and boot it via the 'grub shell'. You can also edit boot params. Grub is cool. Grub will get you chicks. Tons of em. > > > > > Tom's root boot is your friend. http://www.toms.net/rb/download.html > > ---- > The Wandering Dru > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Ben Lutgens System Administrator, Server Wizard, Email Guru US Admins, Inc _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ming at evil-overlords.com Mon Jul 28 18:39:40 2003 From: ming at evil-overlords.com (ming) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows server: trying to assign static IP to linux box In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000c01c35561$841f7a70$e7012942@wouldya> Don't use ICS, its crap. If anything use RRAS on the windows box to setup a router. It would be way better to use the linux box as the router that you need. Then use iptables to set up some port forwarding to the windows box for the services you want to display, ie web, smtp, pop3. Just my $.02 Jason -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of PHPTOm Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 10:27 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Windows server: trying to assign static IP to linux box I have internet connection sharing enabled. The linux box is on the internet. That is working. I will look into enabling advanced routing. When I assign one of the 5 IP addresses to the linux box, it loses its internet connection. Thanks for the info. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Munir Nassar Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 8:05 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Windows server: trying to assign static IP to linux box On Sat, 26 Jul 2003, David Phillips wrote: > You aren't making any sense at all. What exactly is the problem? You have > five static IPs. Plug your DSL modem into a hub / switch. Plug both of > your computers into the switch. Assign each one of them a different IP > address. You can assign more than one IP address to each computer, but both > computers cannot use the same IP address. uhh.. have you ever used the IntelDSLpro 2200? it is a PCI modem that works only in windows. You actually have to enable internet connection sharing in windows and enable advanced routing to allow the PCs beind the w2k box to use external IPs. Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Ryan at IntegraOnline.Com Mon Jul 28 19:46:13 2003 From: Ryan at IntegraOnline.Com (Ryan Oertel) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] slightly OT: free alternatives to Norton's Ghost In-Reply-To: <20030728105715.A18080@gordo.space.umn.edu> References: <1059220342.29740.58.camel@sd3.mailbank.com> <20030728105715.A18080@gordo.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <1059439573.19142.69.camel@sd3.mailbank.com> Those are probably good for my use, but I'm not sure about him. I like the reference to "cat /dev/sda". I was thinking of 'dd', but wasn't sure about any limitations or changes to the FAT or MBR if the dest drive is a different size. I was also looking for feedback from people who may have used something, but since this thread is pretty quiet, I would thing that linux users are a bit more creative in their cloning solutions. -Ryan On Mon, 2003-07-28 at 10:57, Jim Crumley wrote: > On Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 06:52:22AM -0500, Ryan Oertel wrote: > > Does anybody know any free or Open Source alternatives to Norton's > > Ghost? I'm looking for something which I can put on a bootable floppy > > and is easy enough to use so I can send it to my dad. It would be nice > > if it booted Linux, but I'd be happy with anything. > > I guess it depends on your Dad. If he's not commandline-phobic > (if he's used DOS, then he should be fine) try looking at previous > threads for Ghetto Ghost. Here's one link to start you out: > http://archives2.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2001-May/035331.html > > I also see at least a couple of possibilities on freshmeat: > g4u: > http://freshmeat.net/projects/g4u/?topic_id=137%2C147%2C253 > and CluCo: > http://freshmeat.net/projects/cluclo/?topic_id=147%2C136%2C141 -- Ryan Oertel -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I upgraded my kernel and >>> somehow >>> munged the lilo command to update the MBR. >> Tom's root boot is your friend. http://www.toms.net/rb/download.html >> >> ---- >> The Wandering Dru >Note: to avoid this trouble in the future, ditch lilo in favor of grub. >Grub is cool. Grub will get you chicks. Tons of em. Thanks for the link to Tom's root boot and the advice on Grub. I am going to experiment with Tom's for future snafu's, as far as a boot loader that can rescue me from doing this again -- AND get me chicks, well I think that's a gimme. I don't know if GRUB runs on 7.3, but it is time to upgrade anyway. In the mean time I was lazy and went and booted to a later version of Linux rescue (RH 8.0). I created a simlink to the boot directory on my old system and then ran lilo to fix the problem. Intially I had problems booting into my system until I removed the mount statement for my secondary IDE drive from fstab. If you weren't following along earlier, my boot problem came from writing a boot record onto my IDE drive which I used for storage instead of my SCSI drive which actually contains the OS after upgrading the kernel. Opps. Now I just need to figure a way to remove that boot sig from the IDE - preferably w/o reformating it. I will post that question in a new thread. thanks for the help. rotbau _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rotbau at squishnet.com Mon Jul 28 22:37:21 2003 From: rotbau at squishnet.com (rotbau) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Removing boot sig off MBR References: <20030726025600.25055.43971.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: <001a01c35582$b82137c0$3389a8c0@r0q4o4> Hello all, I am wondering if there is any way to remove the boot signature off the MBR of an IDE disk without reformatting. In other words I have a IDE drive that thinks it should be the bootable disk, but it shouldn't be. Here is a quick run down of what happened: Redhat 7.1 on box with 1 SCSI drive - which has the OS and 1 IDE drive which is used for storage. I upgraded the kernel and when I ran LILO it(I) wrote the boot sig to the IDE drive instead of the SCSI. Rebooted and linux of course was FUBAR. I fixed that, but my SCSI bios is basically complaining about the boot image on the IDE drive and linux will not fully boot unless I removed the mount from fstab. Once the mount statement is gone - linux boots just fine. If I turn the drive off in the bios, the SCSI card no longer complains. Any ideas how I can remove the boot sig from the IDE drive without reformating? regards, rotbau _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Mon Jul 28 23:13:36 2003 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Removing boot sig off MBR In-Reply-To: <001a01c35582$b82137c0$3389a8c0@r0q4o4> References: <20030726025600.25055.43971.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> <001a01c35582$b82137c0$3389a8c0@r0q4o4> Message-ID: <200307282313.36376.jack@jacku.com> On Monday 28 July 2003 10:37 pm, rotbau wrote: > Hello all, > > I am wondering if there is any way to remove the boot signature off the MBR > of an IDE disk without reformatting. In other words I have a IDE drive > that thinks it should be the bootable disk, but it shouldn't be. Here is a > quick run down of what happened: > If you have access to the MS DOS version of fdisk (any Win9X box should have it) You can attempt FDISK /MBR. That should reset the MBR to the DOS style. (Look for active partition and boot.) Not sure of a pure Linux solution. Jack _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Tue Jul 29 00:39:23 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Removing boot sig off MBR References: <20030726025600.25055.43971.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> <001a01c35582$b82137c0$3389a8c0@r0q4o4> Message-ID: <000a01c35593$c3ec90c0$0201a8c0@brinstar> rotbau writes: > Any ideas how I can remove the boot sig from the IDE drive without > reformating? cfdisk -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From np at f-matic.net Tue Jul 29 01:08:34 2003 From: np at f-matic.net (nick phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:51 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] strange slowdowns after kernel compile? Message-ID: <200307290108.35099.np@f-matic.net> hello list, [warning: this post is a fairly long newbie-ish linux problem and subsequent call for help - those with low tolerances for such things, please skip!] i've been trying to learn how to compile a kernel properly, and after about 15 botched kernels i finally got a working 2.4.21 running on my debian sid box, configured properly with my athlon xp 2100 cpu, ethernet, sound, nvidia drivers, usb mouse and audio support, and so on. everything looks dandy when i boot up, except for a couple of error messages about 'cannot locate module char-major 10', 'cannot initialize agpgart module', and some nls modules which can't be located -- none of which particular bothers me. all my modules show up fine after checking with 'lsmod' and my various system components all seem to be working fine. that said, i seem to be experiencing inexplicable system slowdowns using kde 3.1 where the cpu usage spikes to around 80% or so, the mouse becomes unresponsive, and any audio playing (xmms usually) starts to stutter. i've tried isolating the problem to a particular program - i noticed xmms seemed to be occupying several processes all around 5%, so i killed it, then X started doing the same. then today the same thing happened with just mozilla open. i was previously running the default debian install kernel 2.4.18-bf.2.4 with no problems. which leads me to believe that somehow i configured something wrong in the kernel, though i've googled for info on just about every kernel option and think i have everything ok. could any of you linux gurus offer any explanation of why/how a new kernel could be responsible for these weird system problems? or would it be more likely some kde bug? i regularly (once every few days) run apt-get update & dist-upgrade.. is that more likely the bug? sorry for the long post, and i appreciate any help anyone can offer, best, nick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Tue Jul 29 08:20:50 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] look how smart i am!!! Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAA9@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Yeah....i realized that about an hour after I made the initial post.....turns out Debian doesn't want to see my mouse...when I run startx after I get the flashing pretty colors to go away it tells me that it cant find /dev/mouse and that it cant start the core pointer.....when I changed /dev/mouse to something that did exist (don't ask) x came right up but the keyboard and mouse were not functioning....oh well....maybe it is my laptop telling me it only has eyes for slackware.... Dan Lansing -----Original Message----- From: Ben Lutgens [mailto:blutgens@us-admins.com] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 5:44 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] look how smart i am!!! actually X comes with twm. If X is "Flashing" as you say, something is wrong with the configuration and _that's_ why X won't start. Have a look at /var/log/XFree86.0.log for some possible reasons why. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Tue Jul 29 11:05:46 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] strange slowdowns after kernel compile? In-Reply-To: <200307290108.35099.np@f-matic.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, nick phillips wrote: > 'cannot initialize agpgart module' > > that said, i seem to be experiencing inexplicable system slowdowns > using kde 3.1 where the cpu usage spikes to around 80% or so, the > mouse becomes unresponsive Looks like you didn't get the AGP stuff in your kernel. Make sure you enabled CONFIG_AGP, and the driver for your chipset. Also make sure you enabled CONFIG_DRM. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From zibby+tclug at ringworld.org Tue Jul 29 11:23:04 2003 From: zibby+tclug at ringworld.org (Andy Zbikowski (Zibby)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] look how smart i am!!! In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD526FAA9@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: | startx after I get the flashing pretty colors to go away it tells me | that it cant find /dev/mouse and that it cant start the core /dev/mouse should be /dev/psaux in your XF86Config-4 file most likely. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Tue Jul 29 11:36:32 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] look how smart i am!!! Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D3659@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Damnit...why didn't I think of that??? I guess this thread is really showing off my post first think later mentality....sorry ill try to keep that to a minimum in the future.... Dan Lansing ITSC -----Original Message----- From: Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) [mailto:zibby+tclug@ringworld.org] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 11:23 AM To: TCLUG-list Subject: RE: [TCLUG] look how smart i am!!! | startx after I get the flashing pretty colors to go away it tells me | that it cant find /dev/mouse and that it cant start the core /dev/mouse should be /dev/psaux in your XF86Config-4 file most likely. Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://www.ringworld.org A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From revividus at cfaith.com Tue Jul 29 09:48:53 2003 From: revividus at cfaith.com (Phil Crissman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] this does not look good for homestarrunner Message-ID: <3F268955.6040407@cfaith.com> Okay, obligatory homestar references aside, I broke something. I had the bright idea to update my nvidia graphics drivers, just in case it would help. Of course, the driver can't update if X is running; I had a hard time figuring out how to get it to boot without X (it's Redhat 9, so that's sort of `built in' when you install it). What I eventually did was create a .xinitrc file in my home directory, and left it blank, figuring that it would then not boot X at all, which it didn't. That all went fine. But, when I deleted my blank .xinirc file, and rebooted, it still didn't start gdm on boot. Of course, all I need to do is type `startx', and then X starts up (but in /tty8, not /tty7... that confused me for a minute). Anyone have an idea what I broke, and an easy way to fix it? I guess I could just write a new script and have the only line be `startx', but I'd rather do it properly, so X runs in tty7 like it's `supposed' to. adv(Thanks)ance, Phil _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at mn-linux.org Tue Jul 29 09:34:42 2003 From: tanner at mn-linux.org (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDE-3.1.3 released Message-ID: <200307290934.42987@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-3.1.3.php For you people running redhat and want non-redhat-altered-non-bluecurve RPMs, head on over to http://sourceforge.net/projects/kde-redhat Or add the following to your sources.list # Real Time kde-redhat rpm ftp://ftp.real-time.com/linux/kde-redhat/apt/ 7.3 kde3 kde3-extras kde3-test rpm-src ftp://ftp.real-time.com/linux/kde-redhat/apt/ 7.3 kde3-test kde3 kde3-extras -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From garay002 at tc.umn.edu Tue Jul 29 14:14:45 2003 From: garay002 at tc.umn.edu (Rodney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slight OT: Linux+wifi+video+snowboarding HOWTO? In-Reply-To: <200307260101.28961@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <200307260101.28961@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <3F26C7A5.4060406@tc.umn.edu> Bob, I tried snowboarding a couple of years ago and last winter took some training at Hyland Hills. It's a lot of fun but... cross-country mountain biking is MORE fun. If you want an example of how what you're trying to do is done in the mountain biking community check out: http://morcmtb.org/morcpages/multimedia.htm. They use Bulletcam which musn't be very expensive 'cause someone got one of those as swag at a recent race. Check out www.bulletcam.com. They have video on their page too: http://www.bulletcam.com/videoclips/uvs030530-002.MPG I don't know if any of the equiment is Linux compatible though. Bob Tanner wrote: >Last winter I discovered snowboarding. I tell everyone who will listen how >great it is, but they always ask, "What's does it mean to ollie off a ridge >and drop into a bowl?" > >I'd like to show them. > >So, how can I get a camera on my helmet and capture what snowboarding is >really like? > >My initial thought is some sort of ruggedized camera (make/model anyone?) >connected to a small battery(?) operated wifi-enable-linux-box (sokeris?). >This would be the action-camera, capturing all the thrills of boarding. > >Following behind, would be the "media" server. A laptop(?) with a wifi card >capturing the action and putting it onto the drive(?)/cf disk(?). > >Putting the wifi cards into ad-hoc mode should give us a "network". > >I'm not sure about a battery powered sokeris box or the ruggedized camera. Any >suggestions? > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Tue Jul 29 13:41:36 2003 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] this does not look good for homestarrunner References: <3F268955.6040407@cfaith.com> Message-ID: <3F26BFE0.1060409@structural-wood.com> At a root prompt, do a telinit 3, this will take init down to level 3 which is a text console login. Install your new driver and then enter X at the prompt to test out the server. Kill the X-server with a [ctrl][alt][backspace], and if the X server looked like it was working do a telinit 5 to get back your graphical login. Phil Crissman wrote: > Okay, obligatory homestar references aside, I broke something. I had > the bright idea to update my nvidia graphics drivers, just in case it > would help. Of course, the driver can't update if X is running; I had a > hard time figuring out how to get it to boot without X (it's Redhat 9, > so that's sort of `built in' when you install it). > What I eventually did was create a .xinitrc file in my home directory, > and left it blank, figuring that it would then not boot X at all, which > it didn't. That all went fine. But, when I deleted my blank .xinirc > file, and rebooted, it still didn't start gdm on boot. Of course, all I > need to do is type `startx', and then X starts up (but in /tty8, not > /tty7... that confused me for a minute). > Anyone have an idea what I broke, and an easy way to fix it? I guess I > could just write a new script and have the only line be `startx', but > I'd rather do it properly, so X runs in tty7 like it's `supposed' to. > > adv(Thanks)ance, > Phil > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Tue Jul 29 15:12:13 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:52 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] iis/apache comparison Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE244@mail.temgweb.com> Does anyone have any links to whitepapers or reports which have a comparision of IIS and Apache? Performance numbers and security vulnerabilities are what I'm looking for. I searched google, but there's a lack of the info I'm looking for. Jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Tue Jul 29 15:18:12 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] iis/apache comparison In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE244@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: I thought Netcraft had something like this - at least on vulnerabilities. You may also want to search the slashdot archives (however crappy their search interface is) - I'm pretty sure I've seen things like this hit /. over the years. On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, Austad, Jay wrote: > Does anyone have any links to whitepapers or reports which have a > comparision of IIS and Apache? > > Performance numbers and security vulnerabilities are what I'm looking for. > I searched google, but there's a lack of the info I'm looking for. > > Jay > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jrvw4 at hotpop.com Tue Jul 29 15:50:21 2003 From: jrvw4 at hotpop.com (Jon VW) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows server: trying to assign static IP to linux box In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000a01c35613$0861f270$5300a8c0@Jrvw> -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of PHPTOm Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 10:27 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Windows server: trying to assign static IP to linux box >I have internet connection sharing enabled. The linux box is on the >internet. That is working. I will look into enabling advanced routing. >When I assign one of the 5 IP addresses to the linux box, it loses its internet connection. > >Thanks for the info. Almost seems dangerous asking a windows question on this list. What you'll want to do isn't setup internet connection shareing. you need a network bridge, unless I'm mistaken as to what your trying to do, after you bridge the 2 connections (your IntelDSLpro 2200, and what ever you have hooked up to your linux box) windows will act like it is only one connection (calling it a bridge) and from there your linux box should be open to the web. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.498 / Virus Database: 297 - Release Date: 7/8/2003 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhoffoss at minn.tc Tue Jul 29 15:52:23 2003 From: jhoffoss at minn.tc (John Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows server: trying to assign static IP to linux box In-Reply-To: <000c01c35561$841f7a70$e7012942@wouldya> References: <000c01c35561$841f7a70$e7012942@wouldya> Message-ID: <20030729205223.GA17680@minn.tc> On Mon, Jul 28, 2003 at 06:39:40PM -0500, ming wrote: > Don't use ICS, its crap. If anything use RRAS on the windows box to > setup a router. It would be way better to use the linux box as the > router that you need. Then use iptables to set up some port forwarding > to the windows box for the services you want to display, ie web, smtp, > pop3. Just my $.02 > > Jason agreed > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Munir Nassar > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 8:05 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Windows server: trying to assign static IP to linux > box > > On Sat, 26 Jul 2003, David Phillips wrote: > > > You aren't making any sense at all. What exactly is the problem? You > have > > five static IPs. Plug your DSL modem into a hub / switch. Plug both > of > > your computers into the switch. Assign each one of them a different > IP > > address. You can assign more than one IP address to each computer, > but > both > > computers cannot use the same IP address. > > uhh.. have you ever used the IntelDSLpro 2200? > > it is a PCI modem that works only in windows. > > You actually have to enable internet connection sharing in > windows and enable advanced routing to allow the PCs beind the w2k box > to > use external IPs. > > Munir Nassar > RedConcepts.NET > http://redconcepts.net/ If you're using win2k pro, yes. Server has RRAS (as mentioned above) as well, which works much better. And IPTABLES even more so. Or just get a good DSL modem? I have several friends that just called and complained (they were in similar situations) and they were sent an external modem within a week. -John _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhoffoss at minn.tc Tue Jul 29 15:54:50 2003 From: jhoffoss at minn.tc (John Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCO's real reason? Message-ID: <20030729205450.GB17680@minn.tc> Sorry if this has been repeated, but I've been cut off from the list by my errant mail server for about a month. I received this link at work today and found it rather interesting. Perhaps you will too. http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/linux/story/0,10801,83452,00.html -John _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From LCLEMENS at mn.rr.com Tue Jul 29 16:45:47 2003 From: LCLEMENS at mn.rr.com (Lawrence Clemens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCO's real reason? References: <20030729205450.GB17680@minn.tc> Message-ID: <001401c3561a$c58e94a0$71fea8c0@computer> Well, if you were a betting man, you could short the stock. Yahoo's chart of the stock price sugggets a lot of people are betting SCO has a play in these suits: http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=scox&d=c Hopefully a lot of people are wrong. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hoffoss" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 3:54 PM Subject: [TCLUG] SCO's real reason? > Sorry if this has been repeated, but I've been cut off from the list by > my errant mail server for about a month. I received this link at work > today and found it rather interesting. Perhaps you will too. > > http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/linux/story/0,10801,83452,00. html > > -John > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Tue Jul 29 16:46:28 2003 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCO's real reason? In-Reply-To: <20030729205450.GB17680@minn.tc> References: <20030729205450.GB17680@minn.tc> Message-ID: <20030729214628.GA20138@refried.org> On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 03:54:50PM -0500, John Hoffoss wrote: > http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/linux/story/0,10801,83452,00.html Huh! And here I thought it was just a news feed confusion with the old SCO which is now called Tarentella. I sure hope the SEC is getting interested. Nate _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amy at real-time.com Tue Jul 29 17:28:58 2003 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [amy@real-time.com: grub-install can't find BIOS drive] Message-ID: <20030729222857.GT3326@real-time.com> I didn't get any response from debian-user. Anyone here have any ideas? Thanks. ----- Forwarded message from Amy Tanner ----- Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 07:11:34 -0500 From: Amy Tanner To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: grub-install can't find BIOS drive X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/290506 I'm trying to install grub on a Compaq DL360 G1 with 2 9GB drives doing RAID 0. I get this error: # grub-install --recheck /dev/ida/c0d0 Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time. /dev/ida/c0d0 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. I'm running grub 0.91-2. Any ideas? Thanks. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-request@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@lists.debian.org ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Tue Jul 29 17:37:37 2003 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:53 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCO's real reason? In-Reply-To: <001401c3561a$c58e94a0$71fea8c0@computer> References: <20030729205450.GB17680@minn.tc> <001401c3561a$c58e94a0$71fea8c0@computer> Message-ID: <3F26F731.3040906@eworld3.net> The five year picture makes them look like genius' (evil ones!) http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=SCOX&d=c&k=c1&a=v&p=s&t=5y&l=on&z=m&q=l Lawrence Clemens wrote: > Well, if you were a betting man, you could short the stock. > > Yahoo's chart of the stock price sugggets a lot of people are betting SCO > has a play in these suits: > http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=scox&d=c > > Hopefully a lot of people are wrong. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hoffoss" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 3:54 PM > Subject: [TCLUG] SCO's real reason? > > > >>Sorry if this has been repeated, but I've been cut off from the list by >>my errant mail server for about a month. I received this link at work >>today and found it rather interesting. Perhaps you will too. >> >> > > http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/linux/story/0,10801,83452,00. > html > >>-John >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff rick@eworld3.net 952-929-1659 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Tue Jul 29 17:57:59 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [amy@real-time.com: grub-install can't find BIOS drive] In-Reply-To: <20030729222857.GT3326@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, Amy Tanner wrote: > I didn't get any response from debian-user. Anyone here have any > ideas? Thanks. Try the grub mailing list; I've seen this error on many different distributions. > I'm trying to install grub on a Compaq DL360 G1 with 2 9GB drives > doing RAID 0. I get this error: > > # grub-install --recheck /dev/ida/c0d0 > Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time. > /dev/ida/c0d0 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. > > I'm running grub 0.91-2. Any ideas? Thanks. Try editing your /boot/grub/device.map by hand, and adding: (hd0) /dev/ida/c0d0 ..and then install Grub by hand: grub (wait until you get to the prompt) grub> root (hd0,0) grub> setup --stage2=/boot/grub/stage2 --prefix=/boot/grub (hd0) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From np at f-matic.net Tue Jul 29 14:16:07 2003 From: np at f-matic.net (nick phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] re: system slowdown Message-ID: <1059506166.459.2.camel@debian> thanks for the suggestion! i was under the impression the agp modules would be handled directly by the nvidia module (using nvagp?), but it looks like agp wasn't loaded. i recompiled with agp, now agp is loaded successfully at 4X. now i just need to use the system and see if i get any more slowdowns! thanks again, nick > Looks like you didn't get the AGP stuff in your kernel. > > Make sure you enabled CONFIG_AGP, and the driver for your chipset. > Also > make sure you enabled CONFIG_DRM. > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Tue Jul 29 19:17:38 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows server: trying to assign static IP to linux box In-Reply-To: <000c01c35561$841f7a70$e7012942@wouldya> References: <000c01c35561$841f7a70$e7012942@wouldya> Message-ID: <20030730001738.GW21442@autonomous.tv> On Mon, Jul 28, 2003 at 06:39:40PM -0500, ming wrote: >Don't use ICS, its crap. If anything use RRAS on the windows box to >setup a router. It would be way better to use the linux box as the >router that you need. Then use iptables to set up some port forwarding >to the windows box for the services you want to display, ie web, smtp, >pop3. Just my $.02 ICS _is_ crap, but if you are using win9x as your 'router' you have little choice. ICS is a little tricky to get working correctly. I just set up a friend of mine last night. So I will breifly explain. In the 'add/remove programs' look in the 'windows setup'. Choose the IE tab and click details. Make sure you have ICS checked (first option iirc). If it is not checked, and you check in and hit apply/ok then after it bugs your for your c:\win98,c:\windows\system crap it should start the little 'wizard'. If it is already checked, cancel out and go the start=>run and type icssetup, the wizard will start. It allows you ta make a floppy, do this if you like or skip it (depending on your routing knowledge). Windows will kindly ask you to restart and reset your ip to 192.168.0.1/24. After the reboot, and with no zone-alarm or the like (unless you configured it to allow this traffic) you will be ready to share. Point the rest of your computers in the network to 192.168.0.1 as their gateway and an appropriate IP in that subnet (or use the stupid disc it made for you). This of course assume you are running linux boxen behind this connection, because otherwise this entire 'mini-howto' is flamably OT. hth -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <3EE32F2A.379A3ACC.026842C8@netscape.net> How do I mount my Kodak DX3500 camera lake a reg. drive? 1. it is USB 2. it is supported in gtkam I'm looking to plug in the camera and have my folder open on its own.. then drag and drop the picks were I want them...I hope this can be done... dmesg hub.c: new USB device 00:1d.2-2, assigned address 4 usb.c: USB device 4 (vend/prod 0x40a/0x500) is not claimed by any active driver.steven@Steven:~$ Also what are these error, they run like the everready Battery on and on and on ? lol sector 0 to 78 show below ide-scsi: hdd: unsupported command in request queue (0) end_request: I/O error, dev 16:40 (hdd), sector 70 and FAT: unable to read boot sector ide-scsi: hdd: unsupported command in request queue (0) end_request: I/O error, dev 16:40 (hdd), sector 0 FAT: unable to read boot sector Thanks for your help.. __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Tue Jul 29 21:17:42 2003 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GRAB Lag Repositories Message-ID: This may interest no one, but it is Linux related. I wrote up an addition to my GRAB instructions for making RPM package update repositories that lag behind the 'up to date' version by a number of days. It is located here: http://www.jdmz.net/grab/lag-updates.html _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Tue Jul 29 21:30:54 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [amy@real-time.com: grub-install can't find BIOS drive] In-Reply-To: <20030729222857.GT3326@real-time.com> References: <20030729222857.GT3326@real-time.com> Message-ID: Ive never tried that before, but I have had problems with grub on raid devices. The problem is grub needs to have access to the filesystem itself. Since you have a raid setup, grub wont be able to read the filesystem (needs drivers and/or configuration for it) and thus wont be able to load. My guess is you are out of luck in this, and you may have better luck getting another parition not in a raid, or worse case, use a floppy/cdrom/network boot method. Jay On July 29, 5:28 pm Amy Tanner wrote: > I didn't get any response from debian-user. Anyone here have any ideas? > Thanks. > > ----- Forwarded message from Amy Tanner ----- > > Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 07:11:34 -0500 > From: Amy Tanner > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: grub-install can't find BIOS drive > X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/290506 > > I'm trying to install grub on a Compaq DL360 G1 with 2 9GB drives doing > RAID 0. I get this error: > > # grub-install --recheck /dev/ida/c0d0 > Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time. > /dev/ida/c0d0 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. > > I'm running grub 0.91-2. Any ideas? Thanks. > -- > Amy Tanner > amy@real-time.com > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-request@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > listmaster@lists.debian.org > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > -- > Amy Tanner > amy@real-time.com > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From peter-clark at bethel.edu Tue Jul 29 21:04:30 2003 From: peter-clark at bethel.edu (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need bash/sed help Message-ID: <200307292104.30214.peter-clark@bethel.edu> This isn't a complicated matter, but since it's been a while since I've dabbled in sed, I'm not sure how best to do this, so I thought I would ask the experts. :) I ran wget on a large site that has all the links hardcoded. I'd like to remove all instances of, say, 'http://www.site.com/directory' so that I can view it offline and have all the links work locally. So, what would be the best way to recursively work through the files and remove the text? Thanks, :Peter _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhoffoss at minn.tc Tue Jul 29 21:39:29 2003 From: jhoffoss at minn.tc (John Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows server: trying to assign static IP to linux box In-Reply-To: <20030730001738.GW21442@autonomous.tv> References: <000c01c35561$841f7a70$e7012942@wouldya> <20030730001738.GW21442@autonomous.tv> Message-ID: <20030730023929.GA25784@minn.tc> On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 07:17:38PM -0500, Spencer Butler wrote: > ICS _is_ crap, but if you are using win9x as your 'router' you have > little choice. ICS is a little tricky to get working correctly. I just > set up a friend of mine last night. So I will breifly explain. He is running Linux locally, as he said in a post. And the gist of what I got is he was trying to assign an external IP and use the winxx box as a switch, which you can't make win98 do without third-party software and a lot of bloat. Either way, I think this has been more than enough windows-speak on a Linux mailing list. If Munir (or whoever started this) needs more help, you can contact me off-list. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhoffoss at minn.tc Tue Jul 29 21:52:33 2003 From: jhoffoss at minn.tc (John Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [amy@real-time.com: grub-install can't find BIOS drive] In-Reply-To: References: <20030729222857.GT3326@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030730025233.GB25784@minn.tc> I've seen information on this somewhere before, but I can't remember where, or what the solution was, unfortunately. I do know software RAID is not bootable, but that's not your issue. You may (if your SCSI card is similar to mine, a Compaq Smart 2SL) need to use /dev/ida/discx/party instead of c0d0. I wrestled with this for awhile myself until I got that. But I don't boot off my SCSI stuff. John On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 09:30:54PM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > Ive never tried that before, but I have had problems with grub on raid > devices. The problem is grub needs to have access to the filesystem > itself. Since you have a raid setup, grub wont be able to read the > filesystem (needs drivers and/or configuration for it) and thus wont be > able to load. My guess is you are out of luck in this, and you may have > better luck getting another parition not in a raid, or worse case, use a > floppy/cdrom/network boot method. > > > Jay > > > On July 29, 5:28 pm Amy Tanner wrote: > > I didn't get any response from debian-user. Anyone here have any ideas? > > Thanks. > > > > ----- Forwarded message from Amy Tanner ----- > > > > Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 07:11:34 -0500 > > From: Amy Tanner > > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > > Subject: grub-install can't find BIOS drive > > X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/290506 > > > > I'm trying to install grub on a Compaq DL360 G1 with 2 9GB drives doing > > RAID 0. I get this error: > > > > # grub-install --recheck /dev/ida/c0d0 > > Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time. > > /dev/ida/c0d0 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. > > > > I'm running grub 0.91-2. Any ideas? Thanks. > > -- > > Amy Tanner > > amy@real-time.com > > > > > > -- > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-request@lists.debian.org > > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > > listmaster@lists.debian.org > > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > > > -- > > Amy Tanner > > amy@real-time.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Tue Jul 29 22:03:30 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need bash/sed help In-Reply-To: <200307292104.30214.peter-clark@bethel.edu> References: <200307292104.30214.peter-clark@bethel.edu> Message-ID: <5fe2734fe14d2421de41094ee20bd2f5@slushpupie.com> On July 29, 9:04 pm Peter Clark wrote: > This isn't a complicated matter, but since it's been a while since > I've dabbled in sed, I'm not sure how best to do this, so I thought I > would ask the experts. :) > I ran wget on a large site that has all the links hardcoded. I'd > like to remove all instances of, say, 'http://www.site.com/directory' so > that I can view it offline and have all the links work locally. So, what > would be the best way to recursively work through the files and remove > the text? Thanks, > :Peter well, sed wont edit the files in place, but you could use perl to do it. Really you just want the command 's/http:\/\/www\.site\.com//g' (in either perl or sed) You can use `find /path/to/files -type f -exec scritpt \{\} \;` to do it recursively. Jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhoffoss at minn.tc Tue Jul 29 21:59:50 2003 From: jhoffoss at minn.tc (John Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [amy@real-time.com: grub-install can't find BIOS drive] In-Reply-To: <20030730025233.GB25784@minn.tc> References: <20030729222857.GT3326@real-time.com> <20030730025233.GB25784@minn.tc> Message-ID: <20030730025950.GA17006@minn.tc> Found this: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=10380&highlight=scsi+grub+boot and in that page is also a link to Compaq's site with some downloads for most of their servers. Hopefully between the two you'll find an answer. On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 09:52:33PM -0500, John Hoffoss wrote: > I've seen information on this somewhere before, but I can't remember > where, or what the solution was, unfortunately. I do know software RAID > is not bootable, but that's not your issue. You may (if your SCSI card > is similar to mine, a Compaq Smart 2SL) need to use /dev/ida/discx/party > instead of c0d0. I wrestled with this for awhile myself until I got > that. But I don't boot off my SCSI stuff. > > John > > On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 09:30:54PM -0500, Jay Kline wrote: > > Ive never tried that before, but I have had problems with grub on raid > > devices. The problem is grub needs to have access to the filesystem > > itself. Since you have a raid setup, grub wont be able to read the > > filesystem (needs drivers and/or configuration for it) and thus wont be > > able to load. My guess is you are out of luck in this, and you may have > > better luck getting another parition not in a raid, or worse case, use a > > floppy/cdrom/network boot method. > > > > > > Jay > > > > > > On July 29, 5:28 pm Amy Tanner wrote: > > > I didn't get any response from debian-user. Anyone here have any ideas? > > > Thanks. > > > > > > ----- Forwarded message from Amy Tanner ----- > > > > > > Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 07:11:34 -0500 > > > From: Amy Tanner > > > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > > > Subject: grub-install can't find BIOS drive > > > X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/290506 > > > > > > I'm trying to install grub on a Compaq DL360 G1 with 2 9GB drives doing > > > RAID 0. I get this error: > > > > > > # grub-install --recheck /dev/ida/c0d0 > > > Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time. > > > /dev/ida/c0d0 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. > > > > > > I'm running grub 0.91-2. Any ideas? Thanks. > > > -- > > > Amy Tanner > > > amy@real-time.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-request@lists.debian.org > > > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > > > listmaster@lists.debian.org > > > > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > > > > > -- > > > Amy Tanner > > > amy@real-time.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Tue Jul 29 22:56:39 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] iis/apache comparison References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE244@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <006701c3564e$94bfa010$0201a8c0@brinstar> Austad, Jay writes: > Does anyone have any links to whitepapers or reports which have a > comparision of IIS and Apache? IIS has had more security vulnerabilities, but Apache has had it's fair share. They will probably perform about the same, though if I had to guess, I'd say IIS performs better. The big issue with Apache is that it uses a process per connection, so you can only have so many connections open at once. You should use IIS if you are stuck on Windows and need features that it provides, such as ASP or things that only run on IIS. Apache is useful if you need a full featured server. It isn't very fast, flexible or easy to use, but in many cases it gets the job done. If you need a really good web server, buy Zeus. It is by far the best web server available and worth the money if you need it. If you just need to serve a lot of files, a simpler web server such as Boa or thttpd might work. Since you haven't told us your goals, it is impossible to give any specific advice. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Tue Jul 29 23:19:45 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need bash/sed help In-Reply-To: <200307292104.30214.peter-clark@bethel.edu> References: <200307292104.30214.peter-clark@bethel.edu> Message-ID: <20030730041945.GA26385@mail.el-swifto.com> On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 09:04:30PM -0500, Peter Clark wrote: > I ran wget on a large site that has all the links hardcoded. I'd like to > remove all instances of, say, 'http://www.site.com/directory' so that I can > view it offline and have all the links work locally. So, what would be the > best way to recursively work through the files and remove the text? > (untested) find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 perl -pi -e 's(http://www.site.com/directory)(my/new/dir)g' Or maybe you want a file pattern in the find, like: find . -name '*.html' -print0 | ... -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel at joelschneider.net Wed Jul 30 06:48:47 2003 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:54 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] iis/apache comparison In-Reply-To: <006701c3564e$94bfa010$0201a8c0@brinstar>; from david@acz.org on Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 10:56:39PM -0500 References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE244@mail.temgweb.com> <006701c3564e$94bfa010$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20030730064847.B30367@joelschneider.net> On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 10:56:39PM -0500, David Phillips wrote: > The big issue with Apache is that it uses a process per connection, so > you can only have so many connections open at once. This may be true of Apache 1.3, but 2.0 can take advantage of Unix threading [1] [2]. Apache for Windows has always been multithreaded [3]. The Apache 1.3 "Using Apache With Microsoft Windows" documentation [4] says "Warning: Apache on NT has not yet been optimized for performance", and requests that comparative reviews of webserver performance be done on a Unix platform. The equivalent Apache 2.0 documentation [5] omits this warning. 1. http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/new_features_2_0.html 2. http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/misc/perf-tuning.html#compiletime 3. http://httpd.apache.org/docs/windows.html#use 4. http://httpd.apache.org/docs/windows.html 5. http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/platform/windows.html -- Joel Schneider joel@joelschneider.net Linux makes computing fun again. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Jul 30 07:47:49 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows server: trying to assign static IP to linux box In-Reply-To: <20030730023929.GA25784@minn.tc> Message-ID: On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, John Hoffoss wrote: > If Munir (or whoever started this) needs more help, you can contact me > off-list. Hey now. Even I'll defend the little guy. I'm not sure that there's a copy of Windows running in his house, and I'm certain there isn't one in a mission-critical position. :) Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Jul 30 08:26:49 2003 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] iis/apache comparison Message-ID: Yes, could please restate your question so that it allows David to give you more advice you didn't ask for? >>> david@acz.org 07/29/03 10:56PM >>> Austad, Jay writes: > Does anyone have any links to whitepapers or reports which have a > comparision of IIS and Apache? Since you haven't told us your goals, it is impossible to give any specific advice. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Wed Jul 30 09:44:59 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] iis/apache comparison References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE244@mail.temgweb.com> <006701c3564e$94bfa010$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030730064847.B30367@joelschneider.net> Message-ID: <000601c356a9$26b7fe40$0201a8c0@brinstar> Joel Schneider writes: > This may be true of Apache 1.3, but 2.0 can take advantage of Unix > threading [1] [2]. That doesn't matter, since on common free UNIXes such as Linux and FreeBSD, threads have no less overhead than processes. A single threaded model is the only way to go for good performance. http://kegel.com/c10k.html -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.com Wed Jul 30 11:19:50 2003 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] encrypted filesystem questions Message-ID: <3F27F026.2060802@cdf123.com> I was just wondering if you can encrypt an entire device, say a zip drive or cdrw? So insted of this: #dd if=/dev/urandom of=secure.fs bs=1M count=100 #losetup -e aes /dev/loop0 secure.fs #mke2fs /dev/loop0 #mount /dev/loop0 /mount/point Could you do this (/dev/sda4 = usb zip 100M)? #dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda4 bs=1M count=100 #losetup -e aes /dev/loop0 /dev/sda4 #mke2fs /dev/loop0 #mount /dev/loop0 /mount/point or this? #cdrecord -v speed=8 dev=0,0,0 secure.fs #losetup -e aes /dev/loop0 /dev/scd0 #mount /dev/loop0 /mount/point This would eliminate the filesystem, so if the disk is lost, whoever finds it wont have a mountable disk. So insted of finding a disk with a single file on it called encrypted.img or whatever (something that would peek their interest, and make them want to see what it is), they would get a disk full of junk that doesn't even look formated. Just wondering if this was possible or not. Thanks Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at mn-linux.org Wed Jul 30 11:21:56 2003 From: tanner at mn-linux.org (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IBM claims SCO conspiring with Microsoft over Linux Message-ID: <200307301121.56400@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> IBM claims SCO conspiring with Microsoft over Linux http://www.zdnet.com.au/newstech/enterprise/story/0,2000048640,20276662,00.htm -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Jul 30 12:03:29 2003 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IBM claims SCO conspiring with Microsoft over Linux In-Reply-To: <200307301121.56400@Twin.Cities.Linux.Users.Group-www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Jul 2003, Bob Tanner wrote: > IBM claims SCO conspiring with Microsoft over Linux Does this surprise anyone? After MS claims that linux contains THEIR IP as well, using the same "we can prove it but only to those who will be gagged by an NDA" tactic, it's almost obvious that they're in this together. -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mike at getbent.net Wed Jul 30 12:03:50 2003 From: mike at getbent.net (Mike Nielsen) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] If you use Qwest for DSL you should probably read this Message-ID: <0307301203501A.11628@Dingo> Hey there, I'm not sure if this has been addressed in the list or not but figured a reminder couldn't hurt According to the below link http://www.qwest.net/nav4/help/your_acct/authentication_changes.html After the 31st of July if you havn't modified your DSL you won't be able to connect up. Enjoy. -- ----------------------------- |\/|ike@GetBent.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bbaptist at iexposure.com Wed Jul 30 12:06:33 2003 From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need bash/sed help In-Reply-To: <200307292104.30214.peter-clark@bethel.edu> References: <200307292104.30214.peter-clark@bethel.edu> Message-ID: <200307301206.33940.bbaptist@iexposure.com> On Tuesday 29 July 2003 9:04 pm, Peter Clark wrote: > This isn't a complicated matter, but since it's been a while since I've > dabbled in sed, I'm not sure how best to do this, so I thought I would ask > the experts. :) > I ran wget on a large site that has all the links hardcoded. I'd like to > remove all instances of, say, 'http://www.site.com/directory' so that I can > view it offline and have all the links work locally. So, what would be the > best way to recursively work through the files and remove the text? > Thanks, > > :Peter Can you run the wget again? It will fix all these issues for you when it does the mirror. wget --convert-links --mirror http://somesite.com -- Bret Baptist Systems and Technical Support Specialist bbaptist@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 x17 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services ------------------------------------------ Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Wed Jul 30 12:19:36 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] If you use Qwest for DSL you should probably read this In-Reply-To: <0307301203501A.11628@Dingo> Message-ID: Mmm...radius realms. I wonder if the change was prompted because they are re-engineering their authentication services, or because of their relationship with MSN, or because they are selling access to their POP's to virtual ISP's. In any case, I bet there's a bunch of people that will have losing enabled "Real Soon Now". On Wed, 30 Jul 2003, Mike Nielsen wrote: > Hey there, I'm not sure if this has been addressed in the list or not but > figured a reminder couldn't hurt > > According to the below link > > http://www.qwest.net/nav4/help/your_acct/authentication_changes.html > > After the 31st of July if you havn't modified your DSL you won't be able > to connect up. > > Enjoy. > > -- > > > ----------------------------- > |\/|ike@GetBent.net > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Wed Jul 30 12:26:27 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] If you use Qwest.net for DSL you should probably read this In-Reply-To: <0307301203501A.11628@Dingo> References: <0307301203501A.11628@Dingo> Message-ID: <20030730172627.GA12782@mail.el-swifto.com> On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 12:03:50PM -0500, Mike Nielsen wrote: > Hey there, I'm not sure if this has been addressed in the list or not but > figured a reminder couldn't hurt > > According to the below link > > http://www.qwest.net/nav4/help/your_acct/authentication_changes.html > > After the 31st of July if you havn't modified your DSL you won't be able > to connect up. > > Enjoy. > This only affects qwest.net users. Subject line fixed. -- trammell@el-swifto.com 9EC7 BC6D E688 A184 9F58 FD4C 2C12 CC14 8ABA 36F5 Twin Cities Linux Users Group (TCLUG) Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Bruce.Sielaff at McKesson.com Wed Jul 30 12:28:07 2003 From: Bruce.Sielaff at McKesson.com (Sielaff, Bruce) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] If you use Qwest for DSL you should probably read thi s Message-ID: Can I assume that this does not apply to people who have Qwest DSL, but use a different ISP (usinternet.com in my case)? Thanks, Bruce Sielaff -----Original Message----- From: Adam Maloney [mailto:adamm@sihope.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 12:20 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] If you use Qwest for DSL you should probably read this Mmm...radius realms. I wonder if the change was prompted because they are re-engineering their authentication services, or because of their relationship with MSN, or because they are selling access to their POP's to virtual ISP's. In any case, I bet there's a bunch of people that will have losing enabled "Real Soon Now". On Wed, 30 Jul 2003, Mike Nielsen wrote: > Hey there, I'm not sure if this has been addressed in the list or not > but > figured a reminder couldn't hurt > > According to the below link > > http://www.qwest.net/nav4/help/your_acct/authentication_changes.html > > After the 31st of July if you havn't modified your DSL you won't be > able to connect up. > > Enjoy. > > -- > > > ----------------------------- > |\/|ike@GetBent.net > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhoffoss at minn.tc Wed Jul 30 12:42:08 2003 From: jhoffoss at minn.tc (John Hoffoss) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Windows server: trying to assign static IP to linux box In-Reply-To: References: <20030730023929.GA25784@minn.tc> Message-ID: <20030730174208.GA24602@minn.tc> On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 07:47:49AM -0500, Jima wrote: > On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, John Hoffoss wrote: > > If Munir (or whoever started this) needs more help, you can contact me > > off-list. > > Hey now. Even I'll defend the little guy. I'm not sure that there's a > copy of Windows running in his house, and I'm certain there isn't one in a > mission-critical position. :) > > Jima My apologies. As I mentioned in another, I caught the tail end of the thread due to my broken mail server. Munir's happened to be the last name I saw. John _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From veldy at veldy.net Wed Jul 30 12:54:56 2003 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] If you use Qwest for DSL you should probably read this References: Message-ID: <02bf01c356c3$b1074140$d037630a@dh.com> Yes, you can assume this. Provisioning determines your ATM connection to your ISP. The authentication is done by the ISP equipment. So, if you don't have QWest.net, you don't have a problem (which has held true so long ... that is why I have never had QWest.net :). Tom Veldhouse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sielaff, Bruce" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 12:28 PM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] If you use Qwest for DSL you should probably read this > Can I assume that this does not apply to people who have Qwest DSL, but use > a different ISP (usinternet.com in my case)? > > Thanks, > Bruce Sielaff > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rwh at visi.com Wed Jul 30 13:20:28 2003 From: rwh at visi.com (Richard Hoffbeck) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IBM claims SCO conspiring with Microsoft over Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F280C6C.8080908@visi.com> Come on, you don't need a conspiracy to explain this. SCO is out suing IBM to try an make some money. From SCO's viewpoint, a buyout would be nice, but pumping the stock price and bailing out works as well. Somebody at Microsoft sees what's going on and thinks it would be neat to throw a little doubt into Linux by licensing SCO's IP. Afterall, you've got $50B US in cash laying around - what's a few million to keep SCO's cause going. Then Balmer in his usual ham-handed way decides to hint that some of MS's IP has found its way into Linux. Aggressive business practices on Microsoft's part? Sure, no big surprise there, but hardly a conspiracy. --rick Brian wrote: >On Wed, 30 Jul 2003, Bob Tanner wrote: > > > >>IBM claims SCO conspiring with Microsoft over Linux >> >> > >Does this surprise anyone? After MS claims that linux contains THEIR IP >as well, using the same "we can prove it but only to those who will be >gagged by an NDA" tactic, it's almost obvious that they're in this >together. > >-Brian > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rware at interplastic.com Wed Jul 30 13:22:05 2003 From: rware at interplastic.com (Ryan Ware) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] IBM claims SCO conspiring with Microsoft over Linux Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF6237C9D@ipserver2.interplastic.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Hoffbeck [mailto:rwh@visi.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 1:20 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] IBM claims SCO conspiring with Microsoft > over Linux > > > Come on, you don't need a conspiracy to explain this. > > SCO is out suing IBM to try an make some money. From SCO's > viewpoint, a > buyout would be nice, but pumping the stock price and bailing > out works > as well. > > Somebody at Microsoft sees what's going on and thinks it > would be neat > to throw a little doubt into Linux by licensing SCO's IP. Afterall, > you've got $50B US in cash laying around - what's a few > million to keep > SCO's cause going. Then Balmer in his usual ham-handed way decides to > hint that some of MS's IP has found its way into Linux. > > Aggressive business practices on Microsoft's part? Sure, no > big surprise > there, but hardly a conspiracy. > > --rick > True. And very few companies in Microsoft's position wouldn't do the same. Sun is offering up Solaris as a safe house. If HP wasn't so attached at the hip to Linux they would take advantage of the situation too. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Wed Jul 30 13:46:01 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:55 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] iis/apache comparison Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE248@mail.temgweb.com> Specifically, I'm looking for reports which tout apache as being a better solution than IIS, both for security and performance reasons. I'm actually looking for this for someone else, but I need as much info as I can find. > -----Original Message----- > From: Troy.A Johnson [mailto:troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us] > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 8:27 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] iis/apache comparison > > > Yes, could please restate your question so that > it allows David to give you more advice you > didn't ask for? > > >>> david@acz.org 07/29/03 10:56PM >>> > Austad, Jay writes: > > Does anyone have any links to whitepapers or reports which have a > > comparision of IIS and Apache? > Since you haven't told us your goals, it is impossible to give any > specific > advice. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Wed Jul 30 13:49:29 2003 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] iis/apache comparison Message-ID: Did you see Real Time's comparison? Wasn't there a whitepaper-esqe thing on their web site? >>> JAustad@temgweb.com 07/30/03 01:46PM >>> Specifically, I'm looking for reports which tout apache as being a better solution than IIS, both for security and performance reasons. I'm actually looking for this for someone else, but I need as much info as I can find. > -----Original Message----- > From: Troy.A Johnson [mailto:troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us] > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 8:27 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] iis/apache comparison > > > Yes, could please restate your question so that > it allows David to give you more advice you > didn't ask for? > > >>> david@acz.org 07/29/03 10:56PM >>> > Austad, Jay writes: > > Does anyone have any links to whitepapers or reports which have a > > comparision of IIS and Apache? > Since you haven't told us your goals, it is impossible to give any > specific > advice. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jimstreit at northlans.com Wed Jul 30 14:30:16 2003 From: jimstreit at northlans.com (Jim Streit) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux router In-Reply-To: <1059418474.1466.10.camel@mosix> References: <1059418474.1466.10.camel@mosix> Message-ID: <2912.65.116.187.220.1059593416.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> Yes I did. I have a box with 2 10/100 cards in it acting as a router. I am using an application called Zebra (www.zebra.org). Its working really well, haven't had a second of downtime since I installed it. It works just like a Cisco router IOS and has many of the same commands. I have mine running on RedHat 7.3. P200 with 64 megs of ram and I didn't install any servers or x-windows, just the bare essentials. The box runs at 1% utilization most of the time. Looks like it might have been picked up by IP Infusion (http://www.ipinfusion.com/). Anyway, I think that it will run with as many interfaces as you throw into the box. Jim > Jim, > > I saw a post on linux routing that you made in november about looking > for a linux router solution. Did you find a good solution? I found a > cdrom router distro that seems ok.. I'm researching to find a good > solution, and what I'd really like is a system that can route multiple > gigabit interface (6-8 would be great).. so i'm looking for answers > and > perhaps success stories. > > Thanks, > -- > Matt Schillinger > System Administrator > FlightSafety International > mschilli@vss.fsi.com > 314-551-8403 > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amy at real-time.com Wed Jul 30 14:41:05 2003 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [amy@real-time.com: grub-install can't find BIOS drive] In-Reply-To: References: <20030729222857.GT3326@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030730194105.GC22522@real-time.com> On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 09:30:54PM -0500, Jay Kline (list@slushpupie.com) wrote: > Ive never tried that before, but I have had problems with grub on raid > devices. The problem is grub needs to have access to the filesystem > itself. Since you have a raid setup, grub wont be able to read the > filesystem (needs drivers and/or configuration for it) and thus wont be > able to load. My guess is you are out of luck in this, and you may have > better luck getting another parition not in a raid, or worse case, use a > floppy/cdrom/network boot method. There must be a way to get it to work, since a RedHat install has no problem installing grub on the identical hardware. But, since I'm installing debian which installs lilo by default, I have to install grub after the fact. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From amy at real-time.com Wed Jul 30 14:44:08 2003 From: amy at real-time.com (Amy Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [amy@real-time.com: grub-install can't find BIOS drive] In-Reply-To: References: <20030729222857.GT3326@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030730194408.GD22522@real-time.com> On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 05:57:59PM -0500, Nate Carlson (natecars@real-time.com) wrote: > On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, Amy Tanner wrote: > > I didn't get any response from debian-user. Anyone here have any > > ideas? Thanks. > > Try the grub mailing list; I've seen this error on many different > distributions. > > > I'm trying to install grub on a Compaq DL360 G1 with 2 9GB drives > > doing RAID 0. I get this error: > > > > # grub-install --recheck /dev/ida/c0d0 > > Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time. > > /dev/ida/c0d0 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. > > > > I'm running grub 0.91-2. Any ideas? Thanks. > > Try editing your /boot/grub/device.map by hand, and adding: > > (hd0) /dev/ida/c0d0 > > ..and then install Grub by hand: > > grub (wait until you get to the prompt) > grub> root (hd0,0) I've tried the above. It fails after this step with the error: Error 21: Selected disk does not exist I posted to bug-grub as well. -- Amy Tanner amy@real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at mtu.net Wed Jul 30 15:25:09 2003 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDE capturing ctrl-v? Message-ID: <16168.10661.117600.640739@workstation.mn.mtu.net> I'm running KDE 3.1.1 on SuSE 8.2. Just recently I noticed that whenever I press ctrl-v a little window appears in the upper left hand corner of my screen with "Ctrl+V,..." and then the next keypress gets eaten by it and makes it go away. Does anyone know what this is and how to make it go away? I've already checked all of my global shortcuts and there don't appear to be any using ctrl-v. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe@mtu.net For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jspinti at dartdist.com Wed Jul 30 15:46:21 2003 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDE capturing ctrl-v? In-Reply-To: <16168.10661.117600.640739@workstation.mn.mtu.net> References: <16168.10661.117600.640739@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Message-ID: <200307301546.21651.jspinti@dartdist.com> On Wednesday 30 July 2003 03:25 pm, Jon Schewe wrote: > I'm running KDE 3.1.1 on SuSE 8.2. Just recently I noticed that > whenever I press ctrl-v a little window appears in the upper left hand > corner of my screen with "Ctrl+V,..." and then the next keypress gets > eaten by it and makes it go away. Does anyone know what this is and how > to make it go away? I've already checked all of my global shortcuts and > there don't appear to be any using ctrl-v. Sounds almost like the vi Ctrl+V which allows the entry of the next character as an embedded control character --- further proof that vi rules :) -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 396 fax 952-368-3255 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Wed Jul 30 16:48:19 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] iis/apache comparison Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE251@mail.temgweb.com> I can't seem to find it. > -----Original Message----- > From: Troy.A Johnson [mailto:troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us] > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 1:49 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] iis/apache comparison > > > Did you see Real Time's comparison? > Wasn't there a whitepaper-esqe thing > on their web site? > > >>> JAustad@temgweb.com 07/30/03 01:46PM >>> > Specifically, I'm looking for reports which tout apache as > being a better > solution than IIS, both for security and performance reasons. > > I'm actually looking for this for someone else, but I need as > much info as > I > can find. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Troy.A Johnson [mailto:troy.johnson@health.state.mn.us] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 8:27 AM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] iis/apache comparison > > > > > > Yes, could please restate your question so that > > it allows David to give you more advice you > > didn't ask for? > > > > >>> david@acz.org 07/29/03 10:56PM >>> > > Austad, Jay writes: > > > Does anyone have any links to whitepapers or reports which have a > > > comparision of IIS and Apache? > > Since you haven't told us your goals, it is impossible to give any > > specific > > advice. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Mon Jul 28 16:22:20 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] August TCLUG Monthly Meeting Message-ID: <20030728212220.GU4859@fandre.com> August TCLUG Meeting When: August 2nd, 2003, noon-2pm Topic: A discussion on the 2.6 linux kernel. Where: University of Minnesota Electrical Engineering/Computer Science Building Room EE-CS 3-180 Map: http://onestop.umn.edu/Maps/EECSci/index.html _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From xpoverby at comcast.net Wed Jul 30 18:25:01 2003 From: xpoverby at comcast.net (Paul Overby) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] now my computers ignore each other In-Reply-To: <20030726174411.GF925@techmonkeys.org> References: <3F2193B5.8010404@eworld3.net> <20030725204014.GA4794@mail.el-swifto.com> <3F21A213.5090303@eworld3.net> <20030725214300.GA6243@mail.el-swifto.com> <3F21AAAC.2060209@eworld3.net> <20030725223304.GA7598@mail.el-swifto.com> <3F21E20A.3030202@eworld3.net> <20030726141819.GA716@mail.el-swifto.com> <20030726174411.GF925@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <3F2853CD.8030602@comcast.net> Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: >On Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 09:18:19AM -0500, John J. Trammell wrote: > > >>For what it's worth, Materials Processing is selling eepro100 cards for >>$2.50 a pop... >> >> >> > >I was told they closed the surplus store, is this not true? > > > If you are talking about MPC materials processing center in Eagan they are still open thur and Fri from 11 to 5 PM as of about 3 weeks ago anyway. Paul Overby xpoverby@comcast.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Wed Jul 30 21:17:15 2003 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG merchandise? Message-ID: <1059617835.11720.9.camel@cesium> I was just wondering if anyone would be interested in acquiring TCLUG swag (shirts, hats, mugs, etc) if it were available to be purchased. We could use this as a money-maker or we can set it up so we can get it at cost. In either case, I thought I'd see what kind of demand there would be for such things before I go through the trouble of setting something up. Unless someone has come up with a better one, I figure I would use the logo that is on the table banner. I don't have a link to the picture but someone else may have it. If not, I'll just put it up on my webserver and y'all can see it there. -- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net <---- Things 'n' Such _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Wed Jul 30 21:23:34 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] iis/apache comparison References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE248@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <006c01c3570a$be317e70$0201a8c0@brinstar> Austad, Jay writes: > Specifically, I'm looking for reports which tout apache as being a > better solution than IIS, both for security and performance reasons. This is precisely why I asked for more information. Both IIS and Apache are both insecure. However, as I recall, there haven't been any non-SSL related vulnerabilities in Apache 1.3 for a long time. By the same token, properly secured (according to Microsoft's guidelines) IIS servers were not vulnerable to the recent worms. Performance is a nebulous and doesn't mean anything details. Are you serving static content? Relatively static content (SSI, header/footers)? Dynamic content using CGI? FastCGI? ISAPI? Modules? You can't make a blanket statement such as ``IIS is faster than Apache'' or the opposite and expect it to be meaningful. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Jul 30 22:01:47 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG merchandise? In-Reply-To: <1059617835.11720.9.camel@cesium> References: <1059617835.11720.9.camel@cesium> Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Jul 2003, The Wandering Dru wrote: > I was just wondering if anyone would be interested in acquiring TCLUG > swag (shirts, hats, mugs, etc) if it were available to be purchased. We > could use this as a money-maker or we can set it up so we can get it at > cost. i think it would be a great idea, but what people have been asking for are those little TUX dolls that LinuxMall used to sell. You should try and hook upa with a seller of those. Munir Nassar RedConcepts.NET http://redconcepts.net/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kcbnac at myrealbox.com Wed Jul 30 22:43:43 2003 From: kcbnac at myrealbox.com (K B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG merchandise? Message-ID: <1059623023.5e929280kcbnac@myrealbox.com> I know I for one would be interested in a bumper sticker. (What I plan on doing is stick a bunch of bumper stickers on magnets- interchangeable bumperstickers, and not permanantly affixed) In fact, I'd take a bunch of them (5-10 or so) for my car, my laptop, my computer.... -----Original Message----- From: The Wandering Dru To: TCLUG List Date: 30 Jul 2003 21:17:15 -0500 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG merchandise? I was just wondering if anyone would be interested in acquiring TCLUG swag (shirts, hats, mugs, etc) if it were available to be purchased. We could use this as a money-maker or we can set it up so we can get it at cost. In either case, I thought I'd see what kind of demand there would be for such things before I go through the trouble of setting something up. Unless someone has come up with a better one, I figure I would use the logo that is on the table banner. I don't have a link to the picture but someone else may have it. If not, I'll just put it up on my webserver and y'all can see it there. -- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net <---- Things 'n' Such _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list This is not about Napster or DVDs. It's about your Freedom. http://www.anti-dmca.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drue at therub.org Thu Jul 31 01:26:30 2003 From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG merchandise? In-Reply-To: <1059623023.5e929280kcbnac@myrealbox.com> References: <1059623023.5e929280kcbnac@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <3F28B696.90103@therub.org> K B wrote: >I know I for one would be interested in a bumper sticker. (What I plan on doing is stick a bunch of bumper stickers on magnets- interchangeable bumperstickers, and not permanantly affixed) > >In fact, I'd take a bunch of them (5-10 or so) for my car, my laptop, my computer.... > Ah.. you're gonna put magnets all over your laptop? I would be interested in buying a tshirt or something, depending on the logo. There are websites, cafepress.com comes to mind, where you can just give them your logo and they can sell your stuff. No cost, you won't make much either probably, but it's easy to set up and it is exposure. dan > >-----Original Message----- >From: The Wandering Dru >To: TCLUG List >Date: 30 Jul 2003 21:17:15 -0500 >Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG merchandise? > >I was just wondering if anyone would be interested in acquiring TCLUG >swag (shirts, hats, mugs, etc) if it were available to be purchased. We >could use this as a money-maker or we can set it up so we can get it at >cost. > >In either case, I thought I'd see what kind of demand there would be for >such things before I go through the trouble of setting something up. >Unless someone has come up with a better one, I figure I would use the >logo that is on the table banner. I don't have a link to the picture but >someone else may have it. If not, I'll just put it up on my webserver >and y'all can see it there. > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel at joelschneider.net Thu Jul 31 01:43:30 2003 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] iis/apache comparison In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE248@mail.temgweb.com>; from JAustad@temgweb.com on Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 01:46:01PM -0500 References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE248@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <20030731014330.C30367@joelschneider.net> On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 01:46:01PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > Specifically, I'm looking for reports which tout apache as being a better > solution than IIS, both for security and performance reasons. > > I'm actually looking for this for someone else, but I need as much info as I > can find. There's always google: http://www.google.com/search?q=apache+2.0+iis+benchmark -- Joel Schneider joel@joelschneider.net Linux makes computing fun again. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kcbnac at myrealbox.com Thu Jul 31 02:00:32 2003 From: kcbnac at myrealbox.com (K B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Grub reinstallation problems.. Message-ID: <1059634832.5f0e7ca0kcbnac@myrealbox.com> I reinstalled XP, and am now trying to get GRUB reinstalled so I get Linux support without using this floppy. Previously, I was told to do: grub-install /dev/hda to reinstall grub. However, I get: Error 27: Unrecognized command I hit 'Tab' for auto-completion, and 'install' is listed as an option. So, I type: install /dev/hda response: Error 17: Cannot mount selected partition What do I need to do to recover my Linux install? (Can't do an 'upgrade' unless it won't update the stuff that I've already installed/updated/patched, otherwise I'd just do that) Thanks! Keith Bachman This is not about Napster or DVDs. It's about your Freedom. http://www.anti-dmca.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com Thu Jul 31 06:31:21 2003 From: trammell+tclug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:56 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Grub reinstallation problems.. In-Reply-To: <1059634832.5f0e7ca0kcbnac@myrealbox.com> References: <1059634832.5f0e7ca0kcbnac@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <20030731113121.GA827@mail.el-swifto.com> On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 02:00:32AM -0500, K B wrote: > I reinstalled XP, and am now trying to get GRUB reinstalled so I get Linux support without using this floppy. > > Previously, I was told to do: > grub-install /dev/hda > to reinstall grub. However, I get: > Error 27: Unrecognized command You need to run the grub-install command from the Linux command line, not from within the grub shell. "man grub-install" for details. > I hit 'Tab' for auto-completion, and 'install' is listed as an option. > So, I type: > install /dev/hda > response: > Error 17: Cannot mount selected partition > From sfertch at real-time.com Thu Jul 31 07:30:28 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] encrypted filesystem questions In-Reply-To: <3F27F026.2060802@cdf123.com> References: <3F27F026.2060802@cdf123.com> Message-ID: <20030731073028.2fc8c0a2.sfertch@real-time.com> On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 11:19:50 -0500 "Chris Frederick" wrote: > I was just wondering if you can encrypt an entire device, say a zip > drive or cdrw? So insted of this: > Chris, Not sure if someone addressed this or not, but you may want to look into this month's LJ. They had some encryption information. Haven't read it yet though, as I'm more than a little behind. I think it was more suited towards encrypting directories. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dru at druswanderings.net Thu Jul 31 07:44:56 2003 From: dru at druswanderings.net (The Wandering Dru) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG merchandise? In-Reply-To: <3F28B696.90103@therub.org> References: <1059623023.5e929280kcbnac@myrealbox.com> <3F28B696.90103@therub.org> Message-ID: <3F290F48.5020806@druswanderings.net> Dan Rue wrote: > I would be interested in buying a tshirt or something, depending on the > logo. There are websites, cafepress.com comes to mind, where you can > just give them your logo and they can sell your stuff. No cost, you > won't make much either probably, but it's easy to set up and it is > exposure. > dan > Actually, CafePress.com is who I was considering. No up-front costs and if we want we can just order a bunch of stuff for trade-shows, etc. at a discount. Here's the logo that I would use. http://druswanderings.net/images/tux_closeup_small.jpg -- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net <--- Things 'n' Such _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Thu Jul 31 08:29:16 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG merchandise? In-Reply-To: <1059623023.5e929280kcbnac@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: > In fact, I'd take a bunch of them (5-10 or so) for my car, my laptop, > my computer.... Magnetic bumper stickers on your laptop? :) Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Thu Jul 31 08:32:22 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG merchandise? Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D365A@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> W00t!!! I have been waiting and waiting for this kind of thing!!! I would buy! Dan Lansing -----Original Message----- From: The Wandering Dru [mailto:dru@druswanderings.net] Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 7:45 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] TCLUG merchandise? Dan Rue wrote: > I would be interested in buying a tshirt or something, depending on the > logo. There are websites, cafepress.com comes to mind, where you can > just give them your logo and they can sell your stuff. No cost, you > won't make much either probably, but it's easy to set up and it is > exposure. > dan > Actually, CafePress.com is who I was considering. No up-front costs and if we want we can just order a bunch of stuff for trade-shows, etc. at a discount. Here's the logo that I would use. http://druswanderings.net/images/tux_closeup_small.jpg -- The Wandering Dru http://druswanderings.net <--- Things 'n' Such _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Gregory.Siems at state.mn.us Thu Jul 31 10:56:51 2003 From: Gregory.Siems at state.mn.us (Gregory Siems) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mounting a camera? and other error's problem I see? In-Reply-To: <3EE32F2A.379A3ACC.026842C8@netscape.net> References: <3EE32F2A.379A3ACC.026842C8@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1059667013.1448.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> I don't know anything about Kodak DX3500 cameras or gtkam, for that matter, so I don't know if the following helps at all. What I did, using an Olympus Stylus 300 Digital, was: mkdir /mnt/camera cat "/dev/sdb1 /mnt/camera auto noauto,user 0 0" >> /etc/fstab Now I just plug the camera into the USB and mount/unmount the camera just as if it were another drive. --greg On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 20:24, STEVEWABC@netscape.net wrote: How do I mount my Kodak DX3500 camera lake a reg. drive? 1. it is USB 2. it is supported in gtkam I'm looking to plug in the camera and have my folder open on its own.. then drag and drop the picks were I want them...I hope this can be done... dmesg hub.c: new USB device 00:1d.2-2, assigned address 4 usb.c: USB device 4 (vend/prod 0x40a/0x500) is not claimed by any active driver.steven@Steven:~$ Also what are these error, they run like the everready Battery on and on and on ? lol sector 0 to 78 show below ide-scsi: hdd: unsupported command in request queue (0) end_request: I/O error, dev 16:40 (hdd), sector 70 and FAT: unable to read boot sector ide-scsi: hdd: unsupported command in request queue (0) end_request: I/O error, dev 16:40 (hdd), sector 0 FAT: unable to read boot sector Thanks for your help.. __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Thu Jul 31 11:19:35 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] iis/apache comparison Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE25A@mail.temgweb.com> I tried google and didn't really find much. I know, it sounds like BS, but it's true! I swear. Just wondering if anyone knew of anything specific. > -----Original Message----- > From: Joel Schneider [mailto:joel@joelschneider.net] > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 1:44 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] iis/apache comparison > > > On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 01:46:01PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > > Specifically, I'm looking for reports which tout apache as > being a better > > solution than IIS, both for security and performance reasons. > > > > I'm actually looking for this for someone else, but I need > as much info as I > > can find. > > There's always google: > > http://www.google.com/search?q=apache+2.0+iis+benchmark > > -- > Joel Schneider > joel@joelschneider.net > > Linux makes computing fun again. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Thu Jul 31 11:59:22 2003 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG merchandise? In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D365A@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: I vote yes also. I would like a bumper sticker and a shirt. TOm _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Jul 31 12:23:47 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Grub reinstallation problems.. In-Reply-To: <1059634832.5f0e7ca0kcbnac@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, K B wrote: > I reinstalled XP, and am now trying to get GRUB reinstalled so I get > Linux support without using this floppy. > > Previously, I was told to do: > grub-install /dev/hda > to reinstall grub. However, I get: > Error 27: Unrecognized command > I hit 'Tab' for auto-completion, and 'install' is listed as an option. So, I type: > install /dev/hda > response: > Error 17: Cannot mount selected partition > > What do I need to do to recover my Linux install? (Can't do an > 'upgrade' unless it won't update the stuff that I've already > installed/updated/patched, otherwise I'd just do that) Keith, The grub-install directions work if you're booted into Linux already - if you've got a working boot disk, then you can drop to a shell prompt, log in as root, and run the command - it should take care of you. If you'd like to install it from the grub prompt, you can run: root (hd0,0) setup --stage2=/boot/grub/stage2 --prefix=/boot/grub (hd0) ..and it should take care of'ya. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kcbnac at myrealbox.com Thu Jul 31 12:25:45 2003 From: kcbnac at myrealbox.com (K B) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG merchandise? Message-ID: <1059672345.62a17b60kcbnac@myrealbox.com> No, normal bumper stickers for my laptop and stuff, but a magnetic one for my car (throw it on the back of the trunk, easily changeable) -----Original Message----- From: Adam Maloney To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 08:29:16 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [TCLUG] TCLUG merchandise? > In fact, I'd take a bunch of them (5-10 or so) for my car, my laptop, > my computer.... Magnetic bumper stickers on your laptop? :) Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list This is not about Napster or DVDs. It's about your Freedom. http://www.anti-dmca.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kremer at ringworld.org Thu Jul 31 08:43:29 2003 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] stress testing under linux Message-ID: I remember some people asking about stress testing under linux, and I just found something called "stresslinux" on freshmeat. It's right on the main page right now, and I really don't know anything about it other than it claims to be a decent stress tester using linux. -- Justin Kremer _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Jul 31 12:41:51 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Test Message-ID: Disregard; testing archiving. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blots at visi.com Thu Jul 31 12:48:14 2003 From: blots at visi.com (Tom Penney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:57 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG merchandise? In-Reply-To: <1059617835.11720.9.camel@cesium> References: <1059617835.11720.9.camel@cesium> Message-ID: <1059673693.23446.1456.camel@lotsa> On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 21:17, The Wandering Dru wrote: > I was just wondering if anyone would be interested in acquiring TCLUG > swag (shirts, hats, mugs, etc) I'd buy a shirt. -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Thu Jul 31 13:05:12 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG merchandise? In-Reply-To: <1059673693.23446.1456.camel@lotsa> References: <1059617835.11720.9.camel@cesium> <1059673693.23446.1456.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <20030731180512.GD21442@autonomous.tv> On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 12:48:14PM -0500, Tom Penney wrote: >On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 21:17, The Wandering Dru wrote: >> I was just wondering if anyone would be interested in acquiring TCLUG >> swag (shirts, hats, mugs, etc) > >I'd buy a shirt. > count me in for a shirt and mug, bumber sticers too -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Tom Veldhouse _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Thu Jul 31 13:27:02 2003 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG merchandise? In-Reply-To: <1059673693.23446.1456.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: Tom, How's it going? Tom here from Kat's party. I am upgrading to RH 9 right now. I am excited. I am getting a DSL external modem and I have 5 static IP's from qwest, so it'll be fun to get that all set up. How's work? Did you het the T4 line all set up? -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Tom Penney Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 12:48 PM To: TCLUG Subject: Re: [TCLUG] TCLUG merchandise? On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 21:17, The Wandering Dru wrote: > I was just wondering if anyone would be interested in acquiring TCLUG > swag (shirts, hats, mugs, etc) I'd buy a shirt. -- Tom Penney _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From phptom at wordesign.net Thu Jul 31 13:27:58 2003 From: phptom at wordesign.net (PHPTOm) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG merchandise? In-Reply-To: <1059673693.23446.1456.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: My apologies for the the last email, group. I wasn't paying attention. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Thu Jul 31 13:45:17 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG merchandise? In-Reply-To: References: <1059673693.23446.1456.camel@lotsa> Message-ID: <20030731184517.GB23669@fandre.com> No problem. But I am a little offended that we weren't invited to Kat's party. (/me likes to party too) On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, PHPTOm wrote: > My apologies for the the last email, group. I wasn't paying attention. > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Thu Jul 31 13:46:49 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT -- best wireless phone company In-Reply-To: <02e501c35790$9e9afb50$d037630a@dh.com> References: <02e501c35790$9e9afb50$d037630a@dh.com> Message-ID: <20030731184649.GC23669@fandre.com> Wasn't this asked on the TCWUG list a few months ago? You might want to search the archives. On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > What company do you think is best for wireless phones? In particular, I am > looking for: > > 1. Coverage (needs to work anywhere ... most of the time digital however) > 2. Two-lines > 3. Internet Browsing on the phone > 4. SMS > 5. Flexibility (what if I need to increase or decrease the minutes) > > What do you guys think? > > Just to keep in interesting, can any of these internet services be used via > a laptop and Linux? > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilcoxon at bridge.com Thu Jul 31 13:47:06 2003 From: wilcoxon at bridge.com (Stephen R. Wilcoxon) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT -- best wireless phone company In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 31 Jul 2003 13:21:53 CDT." <02e501c35790$9e9afb50$d037630a@dh.com> References: <02e501c35790$9e9afb50$d037630a@dh.com> Message-ID: <200307311847.OAA10127@mnmailhost> On Thu 2003/07/31 13:21:53 CDT, "Thomas T. Veldhouse" writes: > What company do you think is best for wireless phones? In particular, I am > looking for: > > 1. Coverage (needs to work anywhere ... most of the time digital however) > 2. Two-lines > 3. Internet Browsing on the phone > 4. SMS > 5. Flexibility (what if I need to increase or decrease the minutes) > > What do you guys think? Personally, I like AT&T. I have a fairly new TDMA phone so I won't switch to their GSM phones until my current one dies. I'm pretty sure it will do everything you want (except possibly #2 depending on what you mean by "Two-lines"). _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Thu Jul 31 13:47:27 2003 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG merchandise? In-Reply-To: <3F290F48.5020806@druswanderings.net> References: <1059623023.5e929280kcbnac@myrealbox.com> <3F28B696.90103@therub.org> <3F290F48.5020806@druswanderings.net> Message-ID: <3F29643F.1000407@eworld3.net> It's confused me for a while why the URL of the TCLUG is "www.mn-linux.org" even though "www.tclug.org" makes more sense, is easier to remember, easier to type and it gets users to the same site (try it: http://www.tclug.org). After a short off-list exchange with Jima on the history of the TCLUG URL, it seems like there is a decent argument for modifying the logo and changing the URL before printing a bunch of stuff. Don't get me wrong here, I am in favor of t-shirts, hats, bumper-stickers or whatever, that advertise the TCLUG. I just thought we might want to consider using "www.tclug.org" instead. The Wandering Dru wrote: > Here's the logo that I would use. > http://druswanderings.net/images/tux_closeup_small.jpg -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff rick@eworld3.net 952-929-1659 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From veldy at veldy.net Thu Jul 31 13:52:55 2003 From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT -- best wireless phone company References: <02e501c35790$9e9afb50$d037630a@dh.com> <20030731184649.GC23669@fandre.com> Message-ID: <033e01c35794$f4329d80$d037630a@dh.com> Alright ... but how do I search mailman archives [simply]? Tom Veldhouse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clay Fandre" To: Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] OT -- best wireless phone company > Wasn't this asked on the TCWUG list a few months ago? You might want > to search the archives. > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Thu Jul 31 13:53:47 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Need bash/sed help In-Reply-To: <20030730041945.GA26385@mail.el-swifto.com> References: <200307292104.30214.peter-clark@bethel.edu> <20030730041945.GA26385@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <20030731185347.GD23669@fandre.com> On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, John J. Trammell wrote: > On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 09:04:30PM -0500, Peter Clark wrote: > > I ran wget on a large site that has all the links hardcoded. I'd like to > > remove all instances of, say, 'http://www.site.com/directory' so that I can > > view it offline and have all the links work locally. So, what would be the > > best way to recursively work through the files and remove the text? > > > (untested) > > find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 perl -pi -e 's(http://www.site.com/directory)(my/new/dir)g' > > Or maybe you want a file pattern in the find, like: > > find . -name '*.html' -print0 | ... I use this all the time to change html links... If all the files are in 1 directory: perl -pi.bak -e 's/www.site.com/directory/g;' *.html Or if they are in subdirectories: find . -name '*.html' -exec perl -pi.bak -e 's/www.site.com/directory/g;' {} \; The .bak makes a backup copy of the original file in case you mess something up. Remove it to keep it from creating backups. (but be careful) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From garyiddings at yahoo.com Thu Jul 31 14:05:13 2003 From: garyiddings at yahoo.com (Gary Iddings) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How to view faxes received by eFax Message-ID: <20030731190513.35584.qmail@web41906.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, How do I view received faxes that are emailed to me by eFax for me free eFax account? To be able to view faxes that I receive from them, it seems that I either have to pay them $10 per month to get them to email the received fax as a TIFF attachment that I can read in Linux, or I have to run Windows to run their proprietary viewer to view their proprietary .efx format. I'm not going to pay them to email TIFFs to me and I'm not going to run Windows. I've heard there is some trick to getting them to email TIFF attachments instead of their .efx format for a free account. Does anyone know that trick? Alternatively, is their a Linux viewer for the .efx format? I'm satsified with /usr/bin/fax for sending faxes. Thanks, Gary Iddings __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Thu Jul 31 14:18:08 2003 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDE capturing ctrl-v? In-Reply-To: <16168.10661.117600.640739@workstation.mn.mtu.net> References: <16168.10661.117600.640739@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Message-ID: <16169.27504.916502.604914@gargle.gargle.HOWL> I think it's klipper that's grabbing that. I noticed it in emacs (which uses ^V as page down). r _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rpgoldman at real-time.com Thu Jul 31 14:19:12 2003 From: rpgoldman at real-time.com (rpgoldman@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] KDE capturing ctrl-v? In-Reply-To: <16168.10661.117600.640739@workstation.mn.mtu.net> References: <16168.10661.117600.640739@workstation.mn.mtu.net> Message-ID: <16169.27568.423423.369408@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Look at klipper->configure preferences->actions r _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Jul 31 14:25:11 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:58 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How to view faxes received by eFax In-Reply-To: <20030731190513.35584.qmail@web41906.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Gary Iddings wrote: > I've heard there is some trick to getting them to email TIFF > attachments instead of their .efx format for a free account. Does > anyone know that trick? > > Alternatively, is their a Linux viewer for the .efx format? > > I'm satsified with /usr/bin/fax for sending faxes. Well, on my free account, the files come through named .efx but I can just pull them up in a TIF viewer. Give it a shot, maybe it'll work for you too.. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From RCrabbs at epicor.com Thu Jul 31 14:33:29 2003 From: RCrabbs at epicor.com (Rusty Crabbs) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie question-Getting Mount Information for an Install Script Message-ID: Hello all, I am new the wonderful world of Linux, but I am constantly impressed by how awesome it is. I am trying to write an install script to copy files from a CD. 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Is there a way to put the current mount path for the > CD-Rom into a variable without asking for human intervention? > > Any assistance would be appreciated! > > > Thanks, > > Rusty > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hoeff001 at umn.edu Thu Jul 31 15:18:17 2003 From: hoeff001 at umn.edu (Ed Hoeffner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie question-Getting Mount Information for an Install Script In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Pipe abuse!! MOUNTPATH=`gawk '/\/dev\/cdrom/{print $2}' /etc/fstab` -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Adam Maloney Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 2:40 PM To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Newbie question-Getting Mount Information for an Install Script Assuming it's mounted, and in fstab, and the actual device is /dev/cdrom: MOUNTPATH=`cat /etc/fstab | grep "/dev/cdrom" | awk '{ print $2 }'` On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Rusty Crabbs wrote: > Hello all, > > I am new the wonderful world of Linux, but I am constantly impressed by how > awesome it is. > > I am trying to write an install script to copy files from a CD. > Unforntuately, I don't know how to get mount path from OS without prompting > the user to enter it. Is there a way to put the current mount path for the > CD-Rom into a variable without asking for human intervention? > > Any assistance would be appreciated! > > > Thanks, > > Rusty > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Thu Jul 31 15:24:12 2003 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Newbie question-Getting Mount Information for an Install Script In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030731202412.GB7191@iucha.net> On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 03:18:17PM -0500, Ed Hoeffner wrote: > Pipe abuse!! > > MOUNTPATH=`gawk '/\/dev\/cdrom/{print $2}' /etc/fstab` > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Adam Maloney > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 2:40 PM > To: 'tclug-list@mn-linux.org' > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Newbie question-Getting Mount Information for an > Install Script > > > Assuming it's mounted, and in fstab, and the actual device is /dev/cdrom: > > MOUNTPATH=`cat /etc/fstab | grep "/dev/cdrom" | awk '{ print $2 }'` Assuming the machine is IDE only you can use: for dev in `find /proc/ide/ -name media -exec grep -Hl cdrom {} \; | cut -d/ -f5`; do mount | grep $dev | cut -d" " -f3 ; done To get the list of mount points for the cdroms in the system. florin -- "NT is to UNIX what a doughnut is to a particle accelerator." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I wasn't able to view the .efx files, however named, with any of the following: Eye of Gnome Gimp GQview KView KuickShow KPaint /usr/bin/X11/display of ImageMagick The most interesting program was KFax. It wasn't able to show anything intelligible, but at least it showed noise where other programs refused to try. I'm running Red Hat Linux 9. Gary __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Thu Jul 31 15:56:53 2003 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How to view faxes received by eFax In-Reply-To: <20030731205142.28831.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030731205142.28831.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030731205653.GC7191@iucha.net> On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 01:51:42PM -0700, Gary Iddings wrote: > Nate Carlson wrote: > > On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Gary Iddings wrote: > ... > > > Alternatively, is their a Linux viewer for the .efx format? > ... > > Well, on my free account, the files come through named .efx but I can just > > pull them up in a TIF viewer. Give it a shot, maybe it'll work for you > > too.. :) > > What TIF viewer did you use? Which Linux? > > I renamed the .efx files .tiff and .tif, and still can not view them. > Gimp tells me "Not a TIFF file, bad magic number 65244 (0xfedc)". > I wasn't able to view the .efx files, however named, > with any of the following: > > Eye of Gnome > Gimp > GQview > KView > KuickShow > KPaint > /usr/bin/X11/display of ImageMagick > > The most interesting program was KFax. > It wasn't able to show anything intelligible, > but at least it showed noise where other programs > refused to try. > > I'm running Red Hat Linux 9. What does 'file' say about your files? florin -- "NT is to UNIX what a doughnut is to a particle accelerator." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <3F29643F.1000407@eworld3.net> References: <1059623023.5e929280kcbnac@myrealbox.com> <3F28B696.90103@therub.org> <3F290F48.5020806@druswanderings.net> <3F29643F.1000407@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <20030731211838.GA1259@fandre.com> On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > It's confused me for a while why the URL of the TCLUG is > "www.mn-linux.org" even though "www.tclug.org" makes more sense, is > easier to remember, easier to type and it gets users to the same site > (try it: http://www.tclug.org). > > After a short off-list exchange with Jima on the history of the TCLUG > URL, it seems like there is a decent argument for modifying the logo and > changing the URL before printing a bunch of stuff. > > Don't get me wrong here, I am in favor of t-shirts, hats, > bumper-stickers or whatever, that advertise the TCLUG. I just thought we > might want to consider using "www.tclug.org" instead. How about a webpoll? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From garyiddings at yahoo.com Thu Jul 31 16:18:14 2003 From: garyiddings at yahoo.com (Gary Iddings) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How to view faxes received by eFax In-Reply-To: <20030731205653.GC7191@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20030731211814.69500.qmail@web41905.mail.yahoo.com> Florin Iucha wrote: > What does 'file' say about your files? [gfi@localhost gfi]$ file [ac]* af03df11.efx: data af03df11.tif: data af03df11.tiff: data c682a110.efx: data c682a110.tif: data c682a110.tiff: data c7024921.efx: data c7024921.tif: data c7024921.tiff: data [gfi@localhost gfi]$ ll [ac]* -rw-rw-r-- 3 gfi gfi 57316 Jul 31 13:54 af03df11.efx -rw-rw-r-- 3 gfi gfi 57316 Jul 31 13:54 af03df11.tif -rw-rw-r-- 3 gfi gfi 57316 Jul 31 13:54 af03df11.tiff -rw------- 3 gfi gfi 31244 Jul 31 14:01 c682a110.efx -rw------- 3 gfi gfi 31244 Jul 31 14:01 c682a110.tif -rw------- 3 gfi gfi 31244 Jul 31 14:01 c682a110.tiff -rw------- 3 gfi gfi 872 Jul 31 14:02 c7024921.efx -rw------- 3 gfi gfi 872 Jul 31 14:02 c7024921.tif -rw------- 3 gfi gfi 872 Jul 31 14:02 c7024921.tiff [gfi@localhost gfi]$ xxd -g 1 -u a*efx | head 0000000: DC FE E4 DF 00 00 00 00 FF FF D8 00 00 00 FF FF ................ 0000010: FF FF 00 00 17 01 86 77 00 00 66 69 6C 65 00 00 .......w..file.. 0000020: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................ 0000030: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 20 00 64 20 53 63 .......... .d Sc 0000040: 6F 74 74 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ott............. 0000050: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................ 0000060: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................ 0000070: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0B 2D 0B 0B 06 67 ...........-...g 0000080: 05 01 BF 00 1B 32 0B 0B 06 67 05 00 00 00 04 01 .....2...g...... 0000090: FF FF FF FF 2C 01 2C 01 E4 0C F6 09 02 00 03 00 ....,.,......... [gfi@localhost gfi]$ Gary __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rick at eworld3.net Thu Jul 31 16:42:46 2003 From: rick at eworld3.net (Rick Meyerhoff) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG merchandise? In-Reply-To: <20030731211838.GA1259@fandre.com> References: <1059623023.5e929280kcbnac@myrealbox.com> <3F28B696.90103@therub.org> <3F290F48.5020806@druswanderings.net> <3F29643F.1000407@eworld3.net> <20030731211838.GA1259@fandre.com> Message-ID: <3F298D56.6060007@eworld3.net> Good idea! This poll would be a bit more useful than "what is your favorite number?" ;-) Would you announce it on TCLUG ANNOUNCE so that we get a statistically significant response? Clay Fandre wrote: > On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > > >>It's confused me for a while why the URL of the TCLUG is >>"www.mn-linux.org" even though "www.tclug.org" makes more sense, is >>easier to remember, easier to type and it gets users to the same site >>(try it: http://www.tclug.org). >> >>After a short off-list exchange with Jima on the history of the TCLUG >>URL, it seems like there is a decent argument for modifying the logo and >>changing the URL before printing a bunch of stuff. >> >>Don't get me wrong here, I am in favor of t-shirts, hats, >>bumper-stickers or whatever, that advertise the TCLUG. I just thought we >>might want to consider using "www.tclug.org" instead. > > > How about a webpoll? > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Eric (Rick) Meyerhoff rick@eworld3.net 952-929-1659 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Jul 31 17:06:26 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How to view faxes received by eFax In-Reply-To: <20030731205142.28831.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Gary Iddings wrote: > What TIF viewer did you use? Which Linux? > > I renamed the .efx files .tiff and .tif, and still can not view them. > Gimp tells me "Not a TIFF file, bad magic number 65244 (0xfedc)". I > wasn't able to view the .efx files, however named, with any of the > following: OK, never mind - when I get faxes from my efax account, they end with .tif now. Not sure what I did to get it doing this, but it is indeed an eFax free account.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From garyiddings at yahoo.com Thu Jul 31 17:22:04 2003 From: garyiddings at yahoo.com (Gary Iddings) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How to get eFax to email .tif attachments In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030731222204.65796.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> Nate Carlson wrote: > OK, never mind - when I get faxes from my efax account, they end with .tif > now. > > Not sure what I did to get it doing this, but it is indeed an eFax free > account.. This is encouraging. What you say holds out the possibility that I can get eFax to send .tif attachments to me. I've poked around for hours on their web site trying to figure out how to get them to send me .tif files. If you can (re)figure out how you did it, many Linux users will be grateful. Gary __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Thu Jul 31 18:11:13 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG merchandise? In-Reply-To: <3F29643F.1000407@eworld3.net>; from rick@eworld3.net on Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 01:47:27PM -0500 References: <1059623023.5e929280kcbnac@myrealbox.com> <3F28B696.90103@therub.org> <3F290F48.5020806@druswanderings.net> <3F29643F.1000407@eworld3.net> Message-ID: <20030731181113.C15904@thinkunix.net> Rick Meyerhoff wrote: > It's confused me for a while why the URL of the TCLUG is > "www.mn-linux.org" even though "www.tclug.org" makes more sense, is > easier to remember, easier to type and it gets users to the same site > (try it: http://www.tclug.org). History: A long time ago, before there was a Linux user's group in the Minneapolis/St Paul area... (and I specify Minneapolis/St Paul because apparently there are other places in the world that call themselves the "Twin Cities", go figure. someone flamed me about this long ago on cola. Linux user groups existed in St. Cloud and Mankato but not here in the Twin Cities. I met Clay Fandre in a HPUX class in St. Paul (summer of 97 or 98). As we did introductions, Clay was the only other person in the room (besides myself) who mentioned he used Linux. I approached him about starting a Linux user's group in the Minneapolis area. It took us a bit to get organized but our first meeting announcement was posted to comp.os.linux.announce [cola] on 3 Feb 1998. At that time we called ourselves LUGMSP for lack of a better name. I think our first website was hosted on a geocities page Clay had. At some point early on, the name changed to TCLUG for Twin Cities Linux User's Group. It seemed to make more sense and it stuck. Bob Tanner stepped up early on and offered to host the mailing list and the website on his servers. I believe Bob (or someone else at Real Time) registered the domain mn-linux.org. I believe the intent was to link other Minnesota Linux user's groups under that domain, since when TCLUG originated there were already other groups in Minnesota. Bob - correct me if I'm wrong. We should all thank Bob and the folks at Real Time for keeping the mailing list and website up and running all these years. Thanks Bob! AFAIK, Jima is the one who registered tclug.org and just pointed it to mn-linux.org to keep things simple for new folks. Jima - also pipe in if I'm offbase. Personally I'm all for the idea of tclug merchandise. I could use some new T-shirts :) I'd recommend using the http://www.tclug.org/ URL since the groups name is TCLUG and it's user-friendly. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Thu Jul 31 19:12:51 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:39:59 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian packages questions Message-ID: <20030731191251.6b183884.sfertch@real-time.com> I'm working on trying to finish configuring my Debian system, but am unsure of which packages I need to install for the following: ntp - I installed ntp-simple and ntp-doc, but ntpq didn't load. Is there something else I need to install? Do I need ntpdate? Bind - Says it's (bind9 and bind9-doc) installed, on bootup shows it's starting but no named processes running. Where do the documents go? On Slackware, it's put into /var/named and the named.conf goes into /etc. X-windows No idea at all on this. Chewie showed me something on how to do a test of packages or hardware for X, but I don't recall it. I didn't have the normal keyboard/mouse/monitor that I use at the installfest. If I were to bring them I'd have to also unplug all my systems from the KVM switch. I plan on running mostly fvwm, but would also like to have KDE and Gnome installed as well. I see there is an x-window-system and x-window-system-core packages. What else do I need beyond these? How do I see what packages are installed on my system? Thanks. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Thu Jul 31 19:22:45 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian packages questions In-Reply-To: <20030731191251.6b183884.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20030731191251.6b183884.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030731192245.77b359c5.sfertch@real-time.com> On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:12:51 -0500 Shawn wrote: > Bind - > Says it's (bind9 and bind9-doc) installed, on bootup shows it's > starting but no named processes running. Where do the documents > go? On Slackware, it's put into /var/named and the named.conf > goes into /etc. > I got this one figured out. Didn't see the /etc/bind directory. Had to modify my named.conf file to point to this directory and things appear okay for the time being. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Thu Jul 31 19:36:31 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian packages questions In-Reply-To: <20030731191251.6b183884.sfertch@real-time.com>; from sfertch@real-time.com on Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 07:12:51PM -0500 References: <20030731191251.6b183884.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030731193631.A25882@thinkunix.net> Shawn wrote: > I'm working on trying to finish configuring my Debian system, but am unsure of which packages I need to install for the following: > > ntp - > I installed ntp-simple and ntp-doc, but ntpq didn't load. Is there something else I need to install? Do I need ntpdate? /usr/bin/ntpq is part of the 'ntp' pkg. A good tool I use for finding out what's available or what is part of what package is: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_packages you can search my pkg name, description or filename. very handy. > X-windows > No idea at all on this. Chewie showed me something on how to do a test of packages or hardware for X, but I don't recall it. I didn't have the normal keyboard/mouse/monitor that I use at the installfest. If I were to bring them I'd have to also unplug all my systems from the KVM switch. dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 this should launch you into a curses based program that asks you a bunch of questions and will generate a /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file for you, kinda like the old xf86config under slackware. > How do I see what packages are installed on my system? dpkg -l # lists pkgs installed dpkg -p # lists available packages dpkg -S /path/to/file # see what pkg contains '/path/to/file' you could also use dselect (curses based). I'm sure there are other ways too. I'm pretty new to Debian...but an old slack user. -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Thu Jul 31 07:22:13 2003 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (webmaster@mn-linux.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A new classified ad at TCLUG Classifieds Message-ID: <200307311222.h6VCMD426266@crusader.real-time.com> A new TCLUG classified ad at was placed Thu Jul 31 07:22:13 2003. Name: Bill Muellerleile Category: softwaresell Subject: Starwars Galaxies Ad: Brand new Starwars Galaxies game.Opened only. still in box. Paid 49.99 at Best Buy. Make offer. Want to sell !! To view this and other ads at TCLUG Classifieds, please visit: http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mike at mikemaurer.net Thu Jul 31 20:02:22 2003 From: mike at mikemaurer.net (Mike Maurer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian packages questions In-Reply-To: <20030731193631.A25882@thinkunix.net> References: <20030731191251.6b183884.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030731193631.A25882@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <3F29BC1E.1080104@mikemaurer.net> Scot Jenkins wrote: >>X-windows >> No idea at all on this. Chewie showed me something on how to do a test of packages or hardware for X, but I don't recall it. I didn't have the normal keyboard/mouse/monitor that I use at the installfest. If I were to bring them I'd have to also unplug all my systems from the KVM switch. >> >> > >dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 > the -plow is not necessary, dpkg-reconfigure defaults to show all package questions. I'm not sure about hardware detection, I know red hat's kudzu has been ported to a debian package, I've heard good things about it, but never used it. You might want to give it a try. >>How do I see what packages are installed on my system? >> >> > >dpkg -l # lists pkgs installed >dpkg -p # lists available packages >dpkg -S /path/to/file # see what pkg contains '/path/to/file' > >you could also use dselect (curses based). I'm sure there are other >ways too. I'm pretty new to Debian...but an old slack user. > > apt-show-versions is a very nice tool I use. This has options to show only upgradable packages, all versions of a specific package, and a few other things. It's "brief" mode is very cool for taking a snapshot of a system's installed packages and the which distribution each is from, in apt-get'able format, IMO this is better than just dpkg --get-selections, _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From garyiddings at yahoo.com Thu Jul 31 20:49:25 2003 From: garyiddings at yahoo.com (Gary Iddings) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How to get eFax to email .tif attachments: chat with them In-Reply-To: <20030731222204.65796.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030801014925.77778.qmail@web41905.mail.yahoo.com> I figured out how get .tif files sent to me. My approach ain't pretty. I gave up on their menu labyrinth. I was going to cancel, and was following the instructions for that, which drop you into some chat thing with a robot and/or live person. I said it was time to either get .tif files, or cancel the account. Voila!, the robot and/or live operator said they would change it to .tif and they did!. I tested it. It now sends .tif files that Linux can view. If somebody figures out a path through the menu maze to select .tif files (for a free account), please post it. It'd be nice to know, even though I've solved this problem. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Thu Jul 31 21:11:18 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Debian packages questions In-Reply-To: <20030731193631.A25882@thinkunix.net> References: <20030731191251.6b183884.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030731193631.A25882@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <20030731211118.0323f86d.sfertch@real-time.com> On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:36:31 -0500 Scot Jenkins wrote: > /usr/bin/ntpq is part of the 'ntp' pkg. A good tool I use for finding > out what's available or what is part of what package is: > http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_packages > you can search my pkg name, description or filename. very handy. > The search option is what i've been using to find the various packages. Thanks for the help (you also Mike) for the help on the other stuff. Debian has too many packages for ntp... also had to load ntpdate. Why can't they do it all in one simple package? -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. Ne Obliviscaris -- "Forget Not" _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Thu Jul 31 22:45:01 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:40:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT -- best wireless phone company In-Reply-To: <033e01c35794$f4329d80$d037630a@dh.com> References: <02e501c35790$9e9afb50$d037630a@dh.com> <20030731184649.GC23669@fandre.com> <033e01c35794$f4329d80$d037630a@dh.com> Message-ID: <20030801034501.GF21442@autonomous.tv> On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 01:52:55PM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: >Alright ... but how do I search mailman archives [simply]? > go too google.com site:archives.real-time.com "tcwug-list" foo -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Veldhouse wrote: > >Alright ... but how do I search mailman archives [simply]? > > > go too google.com > site:archives.real-time.com "tcwug-list" foo Using the TCLUG archive search engine (as noted above) I found no references to 'mailman htdig', implying to me no one had suggested doing such a dastardly deed to provide in-house searching (not that google doesn't work...) Has this been considered and forgotten for lack of resources? I haven't used htdig, so I am unware what sort of demand this would bring with it. Of course, I am also uncertain whether we really need that ability or not, what with Google and all. Just a thought though. -John _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list