try looking around at http://opensourcecms.com/ if you haven't yet. They're all php/mySQL based programs, and they even have installed versions that you can play around with. Jonathon _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list at mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list