From joel at joelschneider.net Sun Jun 1 01:58:18 2003 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:00 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Archives In-Reply-To: <200305312326.14388@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org>; from tanner@real-time.com on Sat, May 31, 2003 at 11:26:14PM -0500 References: <200305312326.14388@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <20030601015818.B13545@joelschneider.net> On Sat, May 31, 2003 at 11:26:14PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > On Friday 30 May 2003 02:23 pm, Jerry.Ekegren@thrivent.com wrote: > > The archive address doesn't work. Could you address this for me. > > Use google, just add mn-linux.org to the search string. > > Like 'mn-linux.org why are the archives'. Maybe also specify 'site:archives.real-time.com', like: 'mn-linux.org why are the archives site:archives.real-time.com'. -- Joel Schneider joel@joelschneider.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Mon Jun 2 00:45:10 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: Archives In-Reply-To: <20030601015818.B13545@joelschneider.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 1 Jun 2003, Joel Schneider wrote: > On Sat, May 31, 2003 at 11:26:14PM -0500, Bob Tanner wrote: > > Use google, just add mn-linux.org to the search string. > > > > Like 'mn-linux.org why are the archives'. > > Maybe also specify 'site:archives.real-time.com', like: > 'mn-linux.org why are the archives site:archives.real-time.com'. I usually just append "tclug". I.e., "where are the archives tclug". Usually gives me the document I'm looking for. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From myok at ogzr.org Mon Jun 2 07:47:34 2003 From: myok at ogzr.org (Carl Patten) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How to include a Perl module under one OS but not another? Message-ID: <1054558054.1739.19.camel@herbie.doomnode.net> I've written a simple bird-call quiz in Perl/Tk with the goal of making it work under both Linux and Windows with ActivePerl. It's all working except for sound. How can I make it load the Win32::Sound module only if it's running in Windows? My first try was the following: $OSVERSION=$^O; if ("$OSVERSION" eq "linux") { print "Using Linux sound modules.\n"; $splitter='/'; } else { print "Using Windows sound modules.\n"; use Win32::Sound; $splitter='\\'; } But the result was the compiler caught the "use" statement and always tried to load the Win32::Sound module no matter what the surrounding logic. I've studied the Camel book but haven't found the equivalent of an "IFDEF" command. Is there one, or is there a better way to do it? -- Carl Patten _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From estabroo at talkware.net Mon Jun 2 07:59:01 2003 From: estabroo at talkware.net (Eric Estabrooks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How to include a Perl module under one OS but not another? In-Reply-To: <1054558054.1739.19.camel@herbie.doomnode.net> References: <1054558054.1739.19.camel@herbie.doomnode.net> Message-ID: <3EDB4A15.10403@talkware.net> Carl Patten wrote: > I've written a simple bird-call quiz in Perl/Tk with the goal of making > it work under both Linux and Windows with ActivePerl. It's all working > except for sound. How can I make it load the Win32::Sound module only > if it's running in Windows? > you have to eval it so it is done at run time instead of compile time. > if ("$OSVERSION" eq "linux") { > print "Using Linux sound modules.\n"; > $splitter='/'; > } else { > print "Using Windows sound modules.\n"; my $win_sound = "use Win32::Sound"; eval $win_sound; > $splitter='\\'; > } you can also wrap the eval with an if to trap errors that might occur while loading Win32::Sound (like it's not installed for some reason) Eric _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Mon Jun 2 08:06:32 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] the saga continues Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D358B@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> The main things I notice is that SQUAT is failing when users log on and opt fails because of no opie dir....i haven't been able to find anything on google about squat except for people claiming the don't know squat about Linux.....as far as opt....this morning I installed the popt package on the install cd....not sure if this is the same or not but I figured it would be worth a try....also found out most of the users didn't even notice there was a 'logout' button on the client.....and were just closing the browser then logging right back in.....i gave them all hand slaps..... -----Original Message----- From: Jack Ungerleider [mailto:jack@jacku.com] Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 11:55 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] the saga continues On Saturday 31 May 2003 11:20 pm, Bob Tanner wrote: > On Friday 30 May 2003 01:05 pm, Lansing, Dan wrote: > > Will check that when I get home and let you know....is that where I will > > find out what service is dying??? thanks > > Generally most linux distros log to /var/log, not sure about Suse (Jack you > out there?) And most well behaved linux application log all sorts of > wonderful stuff (or not so wonderful stuff) to /var/log. > > Poke around a bit. I'm here... Yup, SuSE dumps all sorts of stuff into various files in var log. For your MTA check for /var/log/mail or possibly /var/log/postfix for postfix (this might not be the case). Anyway lots of stuff goes to /var/log/messages so when in doubt look there first. :-) -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From myok at ogzr.org Mon Jun 2 08:12:21 2003 From: myok at ogzr.org (Carl Patten) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] How to include a Perl module under one OS but not another? In-Reply-To: <3EDB4A15.10403@talkware.net> References: <1054558054.1739.19.camel@herbie.doomnode.net> <3EDB4A15.10403@talkware.net> Message-ID: <1054559541.1739.28.camel@herbie.doomnode.net> On Mon, 2003-06-02 at 07:59, Eric Estabrooks wrote: > Carl Patten wrote: > > I've written a simple bird-call quiz in Perl/Tk with the goal of making > > it work under both Linux and Windows with ActivePerl. It's all working > > except for sound. How can I make it load the Win32::Sound module only > > if it's running in Windows? > > > > you have to eval it so it is done at run time instead of compile time. > > > if ("$OSVERSION" eq "linux") { > > print "Using Linux sound modules.\n"; > > $splitter='/'; > > } else { > > print "Using Windows sound modules.\n"; > my $win_sound = "use Win32::Sound"; > eval $win_sound; > > $splitter='\\'; > > } > > you can also wrap the eval with an if to trap errors that might occur > while loading Win32::Sound (like it's not installed for some reason) > That did the trick! Thanks, Eric! Now I get to work on the hard part: finding legally redistributable bird calls and images so I can release it publicly. Then there's the other issue of figuring out why I get screen corruption with a Voodoo3 graphics card but none with a Nvidia GeForce 3, same OS, patches and code. I'm suspecting that one's probably just Perl/Tk bugginess. -- Carl Patten _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kcbnac at myrealbox.com Mon Jun 2 08:23:27 2003 From: kcbnac at myrealbox.com (Keith) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:01 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: Just decomissioned... In-Reply-To: <20030523165702.37eec732.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20030523111543.19d9fc44.sfertch@real-time.com> <3366.65.116.187.194.1053718588.squirrel@mail.northlans.com> <3ECE8B1C.1020607@structural-wood.com> <20030523165702.37eec732.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3EDB4FCF.1030504@myrealbox.com> Shawn wrote: > On Fri, 23 May 2003 15:57:00 -0500 > Kent Schumacher wrote: > > >>I've been using an old DOS 2.x based HP PC as a terminal for a sparc >>server up until about 6 weeks ago. I think I purchased it in 1982. >>It still runs, but between it's aging screen and my aging eyes I >>can't figure out about 50% of what is on the screen anymore. (It's >>an all in one unit, screen, printer, CPU, etc...). >> >>I won't miss it. >> > > Wow, I haven't heard of DOS 2.x since I left the automotive world. The last shop I worked at had a Bear scope that was running DOS 2.x on a 286 Intel platform. Last time I was there, I thought I still saw it. > > I forgot to mention that a couple of months ago, we decommisioned an HP workstation something/80i. Hard drive failure is what killed it I think. There's also a DEC Workstation 5000/200. Anyone remember them? =) > > Ahh, the influences of DEC in the open source realm. And to think I get to administer 5 of them ranging from 4.0B to 5.1B on Alphaservers 4100 and DS-20E's. > > Wish they'd decide to open up to Linux and dump a few of the aging HP "D" class servers we've got as well... But, noooo!!! Linux is not "supported" in their eyes by vendors. > Ummm....I've got a trio of Vic 20's...one of which is *still* shrink-wrapped. With the Target $299.99 price tag. Other two still run. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Mon Jun 2 12:33:53 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] the saga continues In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D358B@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D358B@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <200306021233.53846@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Monday 02 June 2003 08:06 am, Lansing, Dan wrote: > The main things I notice is that SQUAT is failing when users log on and opt > fails because of no opie dir....i haven't been able to find anything on > google about squat except for people claiming the don't know squat about > Linux.....as far as opt....this morning I installed the popt package on the > install cd....not sure if this is the same or not but I figured it would be > worth a try....also found out most of the users didn't even notice there > was a 'logout' button on the client.....and were just closing the browser > then logging right back in.....i gave them all hand slaps..... Never heard of squat before or opt! :-) -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Mon Jun 2 12:52:11 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] the saga continues In-Reply-To: <200306021233.53846@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Jun 2003, Bob Tanner wrote: > On Monday 02 June 2003 08:06 am, Lansing, Dan wrote: > > The main things I notice is that SQUAT is failing when users log on and opt > > fails because of no opie dir....i haven't been able to find anything on > > google about squat except for people claiming the don't know squat about > > Linux.....as far as opt....this morning I installed the popt package on the > > install cd....not sure if this is the same or not but I figured it would be > > worth a try....also found out most of the users didn't even notice there > > was a 'logout' button on the client.....and were just closing the browser > > then logging right back in.....i gave them all hand slaps..... > > Never heard of squat before or opt! :-) The first thing that comes to mind for "opie" is the GUI in OpenZaurus/OpenEmbedded, but evidently it's an acronym for "One-time Passwords In Everything." Not sure about "opt," but "otp" seems to, again, refer to One-Time Passwords. I found some possible references with these Google search strings: "opie suse" (led to...) "otp suse" "squat suse" The last one came up with a potential hit: http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-slox-e/2003-Apr/0175.html Not an answer, but a few pointers. Hope it helps. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Mon Jun 2 13:16:05 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] the saga continues Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD508210B@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> If I ever find time to go to one of the beer meetings I owe you at least one beer....that helped me find the cause.....haven't been able to find the SuSE forums before....maybe I just didn't look enough....now I know the cause....and have a clue to the fix -----Original Message----- From: Jima [mailto:jima@beer.tclug.org] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 12:52 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] the saga continues On Mon, 2 Jun 2003, Bob Tanner wrote: > On Monday 02 June 2003 08:06 am, Lansing, Dan wrote: > > The main things I notice is that SQUAT is failing when users log on and opt > > fails because of no opie dir....i haven't been able to find anything on > > google about squat except for people claiming the don't know squat about > > Linux.....as far as opt....this morning I installed the popt package on the > > install cd....not sure if this is the same or not but I figured it would be > > worth a try....also found out most of the users didn't even notice there > > was a 'logout' button on the client.....and were just closing the browser > > then logging right back in.....i gave them all hand slaps..... > > Never heard of squat before or opt! :-) The first thing that comes to mind for "opie" is the GUI in OpenZaurus/OpenEmbedded, but evidently it's an acronym for "One-time Passwords In Everything." Not sure about "opt," but "otp" seems to, again, refer to One-Time Passwords. I found some possible references with these Google search strings: "opie suse" (led to...) "otp suse" "squat suse" The last one came up with a potential hit: http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-slox-e/2003-Apr/0175.html Not an answer, but a few pointers. Hope it helps. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Mon Jun 2 14:29:25 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] the saga continues Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD5082114@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Ok many thanks to Jima....i have found the solution.....the problem is with java not liking AMD...thanks sun....***holes.....so tonight I go to get a new mainboard and processor....at least my wife will like the fact that I will no longer need the 9 fans required to keep the dual processors cool and loud....oh well....at least it will work _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chewie at skuld.wookimus.net Mon Jun 2 14:38:54 2003 From: chewie at skuld.wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Humor...is...a...splended...thing... In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 02 Jun 2003 14:29:25 CDT." <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD5082114@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD5082114@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <20030602193854.29BC1603D2@wookimus.net> I...really like...this way...of writing...it...really flows well...how about the rest of you...im shur it workz well 4 everyone...else...right? Sorry, I'm just in a weird mood. ;-) -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Mon Jun 2 14:44:08 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Humor...is...a...splended...thing... Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD5082116@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> I always did poorly with punctuation...:o) -----Original Message----- From: Chad Walstrom [mailto:chewie@skuld.wookimus.net] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 2:39 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Humor...is...a...splended...thing... I...really like...this way...of writing...it...really flows well...how about the rest of you...im shur it workz well 4 everyone...else...right? Sorry, I'm just in a weird mood. ;-) -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilcoxon at bridge.com Mon Jun 2 15:51:04 2003 From: wilcoxon at bridge.com (Stephen R. Wilcoxon) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Off Topic...a bit. In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 02 May 2003 10:41:11 CDT." <3EB29197.3030705@andersonfam.org> References: <3EB29197.3030705@andersonfam.org> Message-ID: <200306022051.QAA10992@mnmailhost> Sprint is good but has some weird holes in coverage and is somewhat expensive (compared to comparable plans from other companies). My wife has a several year old Quallcom Sprint PCS phone/service that she's happy with. However, she has found weird holes in coverage: * She gets lousy reception at our house but find once she gets a couple blocks away. * She gets lousy reception at her current client's (she's a consultant) office but it works fine from their garage. * There are a couple spots on various highways in the area where her signal drops out for very short distances sometimes. I've got AT&T and have been happy with them (except when I ran over on minutes - they charge $0.40 per extra minute (at least on my plan)). On Fri 2003/05/02 10:41:11 CDT, Erik Anderson writes: > I've used Sprint for the last several years, and have had no problems. > I know that there are a lot of people that like to flame sprint, but I > think they provide a good service with pretty good coverage IMHO. > > -Erik > > mjn wrote: > > I am curious about what people out on the list are using for mobile phone > > providers. Does anyone have a company/service they swear by or swore at > > alot? I am thinking of getting a phone and I have no idea who has the best > > support, calling area, whatever for the TC. > > > > What do you use? What would recommend to your worst enemy? > > > > Thanks. > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Mike Neuharth > > ADCS Technology Specialist > > http://www.umn.edu/adcs > > =============================================== > > E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu > > Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com > > _______________________________________________ > > "What is important, it seems to me, is not so much to defend a culture > > whose existence has never kept a man from going hungry, as to extract, > > from what is called culture, ideas whose compelling force is identical > > with that of hunger." -Antonin Artaud > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cgahlon at citilink.com Mon Jun 2 16:22:23 2003 From: cgahlon at citilink.com (Christopher A. Gahlon) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Humor...is...a...splended...thing... In-Reply-To: <20030602193854.29BC1603D2@wookimus.net> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD5082114@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> <20030602193854.29BC1603D2@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <200306021622.24431.cgahlon@citilink.com> On Mon June 2 2003 02:38 pm, Chad Walstrom wrote: > > I...really like...this way...of writing...it...really flows well...how > about the rest of you...im shur it workz well 4 everyone...else...right? > > > Sorry, I'm just in a weird mood. ;-) I...really.....really....like...thread..hijacks. They...make...the...threads flow...smoothly. It...makes...reading...and searching...easier too! :-) -- Christopher Gahlon $>man woman Segmentation fault (core dumped) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tmarble at info9.net Tue Jun 3 07:03:20 2003 From: tmarble at info9.net (Tom Marble) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Java on AMD [was ...the saga continues...] In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD5082114@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD5082114@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <3EDC8E88.1070604@info9.net> Lansing, Dan wrote: > the problem is with java not liking AMD...thanks sun....***holes..... I've had no problems running 1.4.1_03 and 1.4.2 b23 (b25 is likely to be FCS) on my Athlon system. I'm running RedHat though, not SuSE. tmarble@tv 40% cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 vendor_id : AuthenticAMD cpu family : 6 model : 8 model name : AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2200+ stepping : 0 cpu MHz : 1799.539 cache size : 256 KB fdiv_bug : no hlt_bug : no f00f_bug : no coma_bug : no fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 1 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse syscall mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow bogomips : 3591.37 tmarble@tv 41% Have you identified what java doesn't like about your system? Regards, --Tom -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3415 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030603/a5214f79/smime.bin From kent at structural-wood.com Tue Jun 3 07:45:56 2003 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Java on AMD [was ...the saga continues...] References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD5082114@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> <3EDC8E88.1070604@info9.net> Message-ID: <3EDC9884.3090709@structural-wood.com> I would love to know more about this as well. It would be nice if I could trace back some web page lockups to an interaction between the jvm and my dual athlon mobo. Kent Tom Marble wrote: > Lansing, Dan wrote: > >> the problem is with java not liking AMD...thanks sun....***holes..... > > > I've had no problems running 1.4.1_03 and 1.4.2 b23 > (b25 is likely to be FCS) on my Athlon system. > I'm running RedHat though, not SuSE. > > tmarble@tv 40% cat /proc/cpuinfo > processor : 0 > vendor_id : AuthenticAMD > cpu family : 6 > model : 8 > model name : AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2200+ > stepping : 0 > cpu MHz : 1799.539 > cache size : 256 KB > fdiv_bug : no > hlt_bug : no > f00f_bug : no > coma_bug : no > fpu : yes > fpu_exception : yes > cpuid level : 1 > wp : yes > flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge > mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse syscall mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow > bogomips : 3591.37 > > tmarble@tv 41% > > Have you identified what java doesn't like about your system? > > Regards, > > --Tom > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Tue Jun 3 08:32:08 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Java on AMD [was ...the saga continues...] Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD5082145@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> I'll see if I can find the spot on Sun's site that mentioned it. Mine was a dual Athol as well. Now a P4 with no issues -----Original Message----- From: Kent Schumacher [mailto:kent@structural-wood.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 7:46 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Java on AMD [was ...the saga continues...] I would love to know more about this as well. It would be nice if I could trace back some web page lockups to an interaction between the jvm and my dual athlon mobo. Kent Tom Marble wrote: > Lansing, Dan wrote: > >> the problem is with java not liking AMD...thanks sun....***holes..... > > > I've had no problems running 1.4.1_03 and 1.4.2 b23 > (b25 is likely to be FCS) on my Athlon system. > I'm running RedHat though, not SuSE. > > tmarble@tv 40% cat /proc/cpuinfo > processor : 0 > vendor_id : AuthenticAMD > cpu family : 6 > model : 8 > model name : AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2200+ > stepping : 0 > cpu MHz : 1799.539 > cache size : 256 KB > fdiv_bug : no > hlt_bug : no > f00f_bug : no > coma_bug : no > fpu : yes > fpu_exception : yes > cpuid level : 1 > wp : yes > flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge > mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse syscall mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow > bogomips : 3591.37 > > tmarble@tv 41% > > Have you identified what java doesn't like about your system? > > Regards, > > --Tom > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Tue Jun 3 08:39:52 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Java on AMD [was ...the saga continues...] Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD5082146@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jsp?forum=54&thread=294383 here is the post on sun's site -----Original Message----- From: Lansing, Dan Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 8:32 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Java on AMD [was ...the saga continues...] I'll see if I can find the spot on Sun's site that mentioned it. Mine was a dual Athol as well. Now a P4 with no issues -----Original Message----- From: Kent Schumacher [mailto:kent@structural-wood.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 7:46 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Java on AMD [was ...the saga continues...] I would love to know more about this as well. It would be nice if I could trace back some web page lockups to an interaction between the jvm and my dual athlon mobo. Kent Tom Marble wrote: > Lansing, Dan wrote: > >> the problem is with java not liking AMD...thanks sun....***holes..... > > > I've had no problems running 1.4.1_03 and 1.4.2 b23 > (b25 is likely to be FCS) on my Athlon system. > I'm running RedHat though, not SuSE. > > tmarble@tv 40% cat /proc/cpuinfo > processor : 0 > vendor_id : AuthenticAMD > cpu family : 6 > model : 8 > model name : AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2200+ > stepping : 0 > cpu MHz : 1799.539 > cache size : 256 KB > fdiv_bug : no > hlt_bug : no > f00f_bug : no > coma_bug : no > fpu : yes > fpu_exception : yes > cpuid level : 1 > wp : yes > flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge > mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse syscall mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow > bogomips : 3591.37 > > tmarble@tv 41% > > Have you identified what java doesn't like about your system? > > Regards, > > --Tom > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Tue Jun 3 08:52:51 2003 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:02 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Java on AMD [was ...the saga continues...] References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD5082146@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <3EDCA833.9030809@structural-wood.com> Thanks for the link - I'll read it later today. Kent Lansing, Dan wrote: > http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jsp?forum=54&thread=294383 > here is the post on sun's site > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lansing, Dan > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 8:32 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Java on AMD [was ...the saga continues...] > > I'll see if I can find the spot on Sun's site that mentioned it. Mine was a dual Athol as well. Now a P4 with no issues > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kent Schumacher [mailto:kent@structural-wood.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 7:46 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Java on AMD [was ...the saga continues...] > > I would love to know more about this as well. It would be nice > if I could trace back some web page lockups to an interaction > between the jvm and my dual athlon mobo. > > Kent > > Tom Marble wrote: [Post trimmed to save us from the gigabytes of traffic about untrimmed posts] _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tmarble at info9.net Tue Jun 3 09:34:31 2003 From: tmarble at info9.net (Tom Marble) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Java on AMD [was ...the saga continues...] In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD5082146@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD5082146@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <3EDCB1F7.6020602@info9.net> Lansing, Dan wrote: > http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jsp?forum=54&thread=294383 > here is the post on sun's site Realize that this thread is talking about the 1.3.1 release (that had issues, and a workaround....) http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4345034.html A casual search for SuSE related problems turns up a couple that are fixed in 1.4.2 (a.k.a Mantis). You can download the beta now and try it. http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4759380.html http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4773521.html http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4702735.html http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4821821.html http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4794052.html Update releases come out every three months... If you can't get to the latest version, then be sure to always grab the latest "update release" 1.x.y_uu http://java.sun.com/j2se/downloads.html Regards, --Tom -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You can download the beta now and try it. http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4759380.html http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4773521.html http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4702735.html http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4821821.html http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4794052.html Update releases come out every three months... If you can't get to the latest version, then be sure to always grab the latest "update release" 1.x.y_uu http://java.sun.com/j2se/downloads.html Regards, --Tom _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tmarble at info9.net Tue Jun 3 09:44:47 2003 From: tmarble at info9.net (Tom Marble) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dual Athlon Mobos? Message-ID: <3EDCB45F.9050801@info9.net> All: I'm considering a Dual Athlon Mobo from Tyan because I really want the serial port redirect feature found in the PhoenixBIOS. Universal Console Redirection http://www.phoenix.com/resources/pbfeatures.pdf?BTNSEARCH.X=0\&BTNSEARCH.Y=0#Page27 Thunder K7X (S2468GN) http://www.tyan.com/products/html/thunderk7x_spec.html Downsides seem to be that it only has USB 1.1 (not 2.0) and the mobo is "Extended ATX" = 12" x 13" (a little big). 1. Does anyone have experience with this mobo? 2. Any alternative recommendations (caveats) for dual athlon mobos? 3. Any *single* CPU mobo's that have serial port redirect? TIA, --Tom -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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All: I'm considering a Dual Athlon Mobo from Tyan because I really want the serial port redirect feature found in the PhoenixBIOS. Universal Console Redirection http://www.phoenix.com/resources/pbfeatures.pdf?BTNSEARCH.X=0\&BTNSEARCH .Y=0#Page27 Thunder K7X (S2468GN) http://www.tyan.com/products/html/thunderk7x_spec.html Downsides seem to be that it only has USB 1.1 (not 2.0) and the mobo is "Extended ATX" = 12" x 13" (a little big). 1. Does anyone have experience with this mobo? 2. Any alternative recommendations (caveats) for dual athlon mobos? 3. Any *single* CPU mobo's that have serial port redirect? TIA, --Tom _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Tue Jun 3 10:01:34 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] jpr-918 Message-ID: Does anyone want to confess to owning this Beamer with the linux and bsd stickers pasted all over the back? I thought it was rather funny, being a BMW for one, and being in Frogtown of all places. Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Tue Jun 3 10:08:26 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dual Athlon Mobos? References: <3EDCB45F.9050801@info9.net> Message-ID: <001701c329e1$fbbf3b20$0201a8c0@brinstar> Tom Marble writes: > 2. Any alternative recommendations (caveats) for dual athlon mobos? Caveat: It will get really hot and if a fan dies or a heat sink falls off, your processor could fry. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Tue Jun 3 10:54:20 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Off Topic...a bit. Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE078@mail.temgweb.com> I have ATTWS now, but if I had to do it over I would get T-mobile. I'm using ATT's GSM service, and it's pretty spotty, especially on the edges of town. I get full T-mobile signal on the phone anywhere I go around here, but I can't use it since I'm with ATT. Supposedly, ATT is replacing all of their TDMA towers with GSM, and their coverage with GSM is supposed to be much better by the end of the year. Once number portability goes into effect, they better get their act together or they will lose customers. > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen R. Wilcoxon [mailto:wilcoxon@bridge.com] > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 3:51 PM > To: Erik Anderson; tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Off Topic...a bit. > > > Sprint is good but has some weird holes in coverage and is somewhat > expensive (compared to comparable plans from other > companies). My wife has > a several year old Quallcom Sprint PCS phone/service that > she's happy with. > However, she has found weird holes in coverage: > * She gets lousy reception at our house but find once she > gets a couple > blocks away. > * She gets lousy reception at her current client's (she's a > consultant) > office but it works fine from their garage. > * There are a couple spots on various highways in the area > where her signal > drops out for very short distances sometimes. > > I've got AT&T and have been happy with them (except when I > ran over on > minutes - they charge $0.40 per extra minute (at least on my plan)). > > On Fri 2003/05/02 10:41:11 CDT, Erik Anderson > writes: > > I've used Sprint for the last several years, and have had > no problems. > > I know that there are a lot of people that like to flame > sprint, but I > > think they provide a good service with pretty good coverage IMHO. > > > > -Erik > > > > mjn wrote: > > > I am curious about what people out on the list are using > for mobile phone > > > providers. Does anyone have a company/service they swear > by or swore at > > > alot? I am thinking of getting a phone and I have no idea > who has the best > > > support, calling area, whatever for the TC. > > > > > > What do you use? What would recommend to your worst enemy? > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Mike Neuharth > > > ADCS Technology Specialist > > > http://www.umn.edu/adcs > > > =============================================== > > > E-Mail : mjn@umn.edu > > > Page Mail : 6126486512@page.metrocall.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > "What is important, it seems to me, is not so much to > defend a culture > > > whose existence has never kept a man from going hungry, > as to extract, > > > from what is called culture, ideas whose compelling > force is identical > > > with that of hunger." -Antonin Artaud > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Tue Jun 3 10:57:09 2003 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] jpr-918 Message-ID: Could it be Bill? >>> adamm@sihope.com 06/03/03 10:01AM >>> Does anyone want to confess to owning this Beamer with the linux and bsd stickers pasted all over the back? I thought it was rather funny, being a BMW for one, and being in Frogtown of all places. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chad at bitstream.net Tue Jun 3 11:46:31 2003 From: chad at bitstream.net (Chad Juettner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Red Hat 8 as HTTP and Edge Server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3EDCD0E7.3030608@bitstream.net> On Thu, 29 May 2003, Jerry.Ekegren@thrivent.com wrote: >>Is anyone using Red Hat 8 in a large corporation as a production HTTP >>and/or Edge server. We are looking at using Linux as our HTTP and >>Edge servers, currently using AIX, but are trying to find a more >>reasonable alternative than using Red Hat ES at $799 per server or AS >>at $1499 per server. Any user experiences would be greatly >>appreciated. >> I've seen a few fairly large Edge Server deployments, one of the most recent was on Linux. I can't remember the exact volume of the site, I want to say they were getting at least a million page views a day. Edge Server was deployed in a pretty straightforward HA configuration. There weren't any issues with performance that were related to the OS. The current version of Edge Server (or WebSphere Edge Components, as it's now called) is only supported on RedHat Advanced Server and SuSE (2.1 and 7.3, if memory serves). The installation may complete on other distros, but you'll need to use the kernel from either RedHat AS2.1 or SuSE 7.3 in order for the product to actually run properly. Plus you'll probably get a hard time if you ever need support if you aren't running on a supported OS version. Previous versions of Edge (v2.0.3) had support for RedHat 7.3, but only if you apply the latest PTF. Sorry for the late reply. Let me know if you have any more questions. --Chad _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Tue Jun 3 11:52:19 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Off Topic...a bit. In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE078@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Jun 2003, Austad, Jay wrote: > I have ATTWS now, but if I had to do it over I would get T-mobile. > I'm using ATT's GSM service, and it's pretty spotty, especially on the > edges of town. I get full T-mobile signal on the phone anywhere I go > around here, but I can't use it since I'm with ATT. > > Supposedly, ATT is replacing all of their TDMA towers with GSM, and > their coverage with GSM is supposed to be much better by the end of > the year. Once number portability goes into effect, they better get > their act together or they will lose customers. Note that AT&T and T-Mobile recently announced a roaming agreement.. so hopefully soon service for both will improve. (There are a few areas I've seen, like my basement, where AT&T has a stronger GSM signal..) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bear at math.umn.edu Tue Jun 3 14:24:14 2003 From: bear at math.umn.edu (William S. Bear) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:03 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dual Athlon Mobos? In-Reply-To: <3EDCB45F.9050801@info9.net> References: <3EDCB45F.9050801@info9.net> Message-ID: We are running a lab of Tiger MPX's (S2466N-4M), and haven't had a problem using the 2.4.20 kernel. Haven't had any experience with the Thunder boards though, but the Tiger does have console redirect and is a lot cheaper and a bit smaller but doesn't have SCSI. Never tried the console redirect though. Will ------------------ William S. Bear GNUPG Fingerprint: CFB6 A12C 3D44 F0C3 FB8D B902 139E 6939 DC64 ED34 ------------------ On Tue, 3 Jun 2003, Tom Marble wrote: > All: > > I'm considering a Dual Athlon Mobo from Tyan > because I really want the serial port redirect feature > found in the PhoenixBIOS. > > Universal Console Redirection > http://www.phoenix.com/resources/pbfeatures.pdf?BTNSEARCH.X=0\&BTNSEARCH.Y=0#Page27 > > Thunder K7X (S2468GN) > http://www.tyan.com/products/html/thunderk7x_spec.html > > Downsides seem to be that it only has USB 1.1 (not 2.0) and > the mobo is "Extended ATX" = 12" x 13" (a little big). > > 1. Does anyone have experience with this mobo? > > 2. Any alternative recommendations (caveats) for dual athlon mobos? > > 3. Any *single* CPU mobo's that have serial port redirect? > > TIA, > > --Tom > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Jun 3 15:31:34 2003 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dual Athlon Mobos? In-Reply-To: <001701c329e1$fbbf3b20$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <3EDCB45F.9050801@info9.net> <001701c329e1$fbbf3b20$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <1054672294.24130.60.camel@3po.thodt.net> On Tue, 2003-06-03 at 10:08, David Phillips wrote: > Tom Marble writes: > > 2. Any alternative recommendations (caveats) for dual athlon mobos? > > Caveat: It will get really hot and if a fan dies or a heat sink falls off, > your processor could fry. Heh, another one of these people ;-) Yes, there is that unfortunate risk with many AMD systems. Newer motherboards generally have the capability to slow down the processor when it appears to be overheating, just like Intel systems. Buyers should check for this, though, as it isn't always there. Of course, Minnesota isn't known for it's earthquakes, and I've never seen a heatsink have problems that weren't operator-induced. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I've got a mind like a.. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ a.. what's that thing \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) called? [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But yes, it is rare for heatsinks to come off. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kptfuzzy at acm.cs.umn.edu Tue Jun 3 20:57:35 2003 From: kptfuzzy at acm.cs.umn.edu (Tuan Pham) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dual Athlon Mobos? In-Reply-To: <001701c329e1$fbbf3b20$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <3EDCB45F.9050801@info9.net> <001701c329e1$fbbf3b20$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20030604015735.GA25005@monopoly.cs.umn.edu> I have never had a heat sink fall off. Is this a common problem? It sounds like if the heatsink falls off the mobo, you got larger problems (i.e. crappy installer, cheap parts, overkill modder parts). -- Tuan Pham On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 10:08:26AM -0500, David Phillips wrote: > Tom Marble writes: > > 2. Any alternative recommendations (caveats) for dual athlon mobos? > > Caveat: It will get really hot and if a fan dies or a heat sink falls off, > your processor could fry. > > -- > David Phillips > http://david.acz.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Tue Jun 3 21:35:56 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dual Athlon Mobos? References: <3EDCB45F.9050801@info9.net> <001701c329e1$fbbf3b20$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030604015735.GA25005@monopoly.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <000a01c32a42$06d275d0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Tuan Pham writes: > I have never had a heat sink fall off. Is this a common problem? It > sounds like if the heatsink falls off the mobo, you got larger > problems (i.e. crappy installer, cheap parts, overkill modder parts). It can happen anytime you move a computer. For example, when going to LAN parties. Or when building a server at the office, then driving it down to the data center. It doesn't happen often, but there is always a small risk. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel at joelschneider.net Wed Jun 4 00:26:20 2003 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Off Topic...a bit. In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE078@mail.temgweb.com>; from JAustad@temgweb.com on Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 10:54:20AM -0500 References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE078@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <20030604002620.B19536@joelschneider.net> On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 10:54:20AM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > I have ATTWS now, but if I had to do it over I would get T-mobile. I'm > using ATT's GSM service, and it's pretty spotty, especially on the edges of > town. I get full T-mobile signal on the phone anywhere I go around here, > but I can't use it since I'm with ATT. I've been pretty happy with T-mobile. Can't say I use it a whole lot, though. Signal strength seems good most places around town (except in my basement as well). Bought a Nokia 6310i phone last February that has worked out pretty well. Features include: tri-band GSM world phone, data/fax modem, bluetooth/IR/cable connectivity, calendar/clock, GPRS, WAP. Purchased with no carrier lock (can use any SIM). -- Joel Schneider joel@joelschneider.net Linux makes computing fun again. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cbidler at innominatus.com Wed Jun 4 10:11:14 2003 From: cbidler at innominatus.com (Chris Johnson Bidler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Dual Athlon Mobos? In-Reply-To: <20030604015735.GA25005@monopoly.cs.umn.edu> References: <3EDCB45F.9050801@info9.net> <001701c329e1$fbbf3b20$0201a8c0@brinstar> <20030604015735.GA25005@monopoly.cs.umn.edu> Message-ID: <3EDE0C12.1070104@innominatus.com> Tuan Pham wrote: > I have never had a heat sink fall off. Is this a common problem? It sounds like if the heatsink falls off the mobo, you got larger problems (i.e. crappy installer, cheap parts, overkill modder parts). > > -- > Tuan Pham > My mom just bought a Dell, and it came from the factory with some sort of failure in the heatsink clips that caused one to "pop" off after about sixty days of use. And no, my mom doesn't move her computer around the house, take it to LAN parties, etc. :p -- Chris H. Johnson Bidler cbidler@innominatus.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Wed Jun 4 12:42:15 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] mulit-geek garage sale Message-ID: <20030604174215.GH1663@autonomous.tv> I have organized a 'multi-geek' garage sell for this week-end. I realize this is short notice, but such is life... I plan to do as much Linux consulting as possible. I plan to run a terminal-server and have as many 'browser' terminals (low-end pentiums) setup as I can find. I am cetainly open to any of you bringing your gear to add to the network, or as a stand-alone system. Space is somewhat limited, so mail me OFF LIST if you have some gear you want to sell (computer related or not). http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/forsale/ As of this second I am still tweaking on the page. I want to add some additional pix of stuff we are selling. If anyone is interested in adding stuff to sell, email me OFF LIST, and I can reserve space for your stuff. For those of you who may want to just browse the junk, please do. I hope to be ready at 10:00am each day. I will have soda and snacks and probably beer as well as Inet. -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Is there a way to know listening-ports and non-listening-ports? thanks for the help... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Wed Jun 4 13:23:49 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] how to know what services are listening on what ports? In-Reply-To: <2DE78F33FFE0D3118C0200508B94F9CA1D8E9696@uswaumsx08medge.med.ge.com>; from Pradeep.Sadanapalli@med.ge.com on Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 01:17:56PM -0500 References: <2DE78F33FFE0D3118C0200508B94F9CA1D8E9696@uswaumsx08medge.med.ge.com> Message-ID: <20030604132349.I13941@thinkunix.net> Sadanapalli, Pradeep Kumar (MED, TCS) wrote: > Is there any utility/command to know what services/daemons are listening > on what ports? say, I want to know > which service is listening on port 21 of my computer? > Is there a way to know listening-ports and non-listening-ports? thanks > for the help... man netstat -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Pradeep.Sadanapalli at med.ge.com Wed Jun 4 13:44:29 2003 From: Pradeep.Sadanapalli at med.ge.com (Sadanapalli, Pradeep Kumar (MED, TCS)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] compiling openoffice-1.0.3 on redhat 8.0 Message-ID: <2DE78F33FFE0D3118C0200508B94F9CA1D8E978E@uswaumsx08medge.med.ge.com> hi, anyone compiled the openoffice-1.0.3 source on redhat 8.0 installation? When I tried to compile, I got some errors and couldn't understand what is causing that error. I am running redhat 8.0 with kernel 2.4.20-13.8 and before compiling, I upgraded the gcc compilers from version 3.2-7 to 3.2.2-5 . I am using Mozilla-1.2.1-26 . I am trying to build openoffice RPMs for redhat 8.0. Has anyone done that? Please help me. Thanks in advance... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Wed Jun 4 13:59:33 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] creating users by text file Message-ID: <071201c32acb$701221b0$53ae6742@DELL2> A while back I got a couple suggestions for creating users in squid. For my current project I need to create 200-300 Linux users with home directories, shell, etc... I messed with webmin (below), but I would have to do bunch of keyboarding. create:tom:passwd:uid:gid:Tom Johnson:/home/tom:/bin/sh:min:max:warn:inactive:expire Is there a script that will use this generic webmin line as the top line and create users with the fields that follow? e.g.. create:username:passwd:uid:gid:realname:homedir:shell:min:max:warn:inactive: expire :tom::::::Tom Johnson:/home/:/bin/sh::::: Raymond ------------- Defeat is a matter of choice. --God _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Wed Jun 4 14:15:33 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] how to know what services are listening on what ports? In-Reply-To: <20030604132349.I13941@thinkunix.net> References: <2DE78F33FFE0D3118C0200508B94F9CA1D8E9696@uswaumsx08medge.med.ge.com> <20030604132349.I13941@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <20030604191533.GC17179@autonomous.tv> On Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 01:23:49PM -0500, Scot Jenkins wrote: >Sadanapalli, Pradeep Kumar (MED, TCS) wrote: >> Is there any utility/command to know what services/daemons are listening >> on what ports? say, I want to know >> which service is listening on port 21 of my computer? >> Is there a way to know listening-ports and non-listening-ports? thanks >> for the help... > >man netstat cat /etc/services <----map of well known services to port numbers -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <2DE78F33FFE0D3118C0200508B94F9CA1D8E9696@uswaumsx08medge.med.ge.com> References: <2DE78F33FFE0D3118C0200508B94F9CA1D8E9696@uswaumsx08medge.med.ge.com> Message-ID: <200306041439.56723@slushman> On Wednesday 04 June 2003 01:17 pm, Sadanapalli, Pradeep Kumar (MED, TCS) wrote: > Hi, > Is there any utility/command to know what services/daemons are listening > on what ports? say, I want to know > which service is listening on port 21 of my computer? > Is there a way to know listening-ports and non-listening-ports? thanks > for the help... nmap is a utility that goes and checks for itself what ports are open (it is possible then to check what ports are open on remote hosts, but be nice and dont do it without permission first) netstat will tell you what the kernel thinks is going on. Jay -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jeff at dreadidread.homelinux.org Wed Jun 4 10:36:22 2003 From: jeff at dreadidread.homelinux.org (jeff@dreadidread.homelinux.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alternative to SME Server ( e-smith ) Message-ID: <1054740982.3ede11f6e8a48@dreadidread.homelinux.org> Hi All, I've been using Mitel's SME Server ( also know as e-smith ) as a gateway, email, web server & etc, but I'm investigating other server systems for future use. Has anyone used a similar open-source package system? Thanks, Jeff _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Jun 4 15:31:48 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:04 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] how to know what services are listening on what ports? In-Reply-To: <2DE78F33FFE0D3118C0200508B94F9CA1D8E9696@uswaumsx08medge.med.ge.com> References: <2DE78F33FFE0D3118C0200508B94F9CA1D8E9696@uswaumsx08medge.med.ge.com> Message-ID: <20030604203148.GF909@techmonkeys.org> On Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 01:17:56PM -0500, Sadanapalli, Pradeep Kumar (MED, TCS) wrote: > Hi, > Is there any utility/command to know what services/daemons are listening > on what ports? say, I want to know > which service is listening on port 21 of my computer? > Is there a way to know listening-ports and non-listening-ports? thanks > for the help... > If you want to know what's listening on *your* computer, lsof is the best answer. It will give you detailed information on what process (the pid) and the path to the binary that's listening on that port. Very useful when you see 'sshd' listening on port '31337' and the binary is really in /usr/share/doc/.blah/exploit -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Wed Jun 4 16:29:21 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] how to know what services are listening on what ports ? Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE080@mail.temgweb.com> I agree. lsof is your friend. lsof -n | grep TCP > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew S. Hallacy [mailto:poptix@techmonkeys.org] > Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 3:32 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] how to know what services are listening on what > ports? > > > On Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 01:17:56PM -0500, Sadanapalli, > Pradeep Kumar (MED, TCS) wrote: > > Hi, > > Is there any utility/command to know what services/daemons > are listening > > on what ports? say, I want to know > > which service is listening on port 21 of my computer? > > Is there a way to know listening-ports and > non-listening-ports? thanks > > for the help... > > > > If you want to know what's listening on *your* computer, lsof > is the best > answer. It will give you detailed information on what process > (the pid) and > the path to the binary that's listening on that port. > > Very useful when you see 'sshd' listening on port '31337' and > the binary > is really in /usr/share/doc/.blah/exploit > -- > Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, > BOFH Certified > http://www.poptix.net GPG public > key 0x01938203 > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Jun 4 16:34:02 2003 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alternative to SME Server ( e-smith ) In-Reply-To: <1054740982.3ede11f6e8a48@dreadidread.homelinux.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Jun 2003 jeff@dreadidread.homelinux.org wrote: > I've been using Mitel's SME Server ( also know as e-smith ) as a gateway, email, > web server & etc, Neat product! > but I'm investigating other server systems for future use. Last I checked, E-smith is just Redhat linux with a custom install script. Depending on what you need, you can accomplish it equally well well with Redhat or another linux distro. Why are you looking to change? What features are you looking for? -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bbaptist at iexposure.com Wed Jun 4 16:48:04 2003 From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] how to know what services are listening on what ports ? In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE080@mail.temgweb.com> References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE080@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <200306041648.04178.bbaptist@iexposure.com> On Wednesday 04 June 2003 4:29 pm, Austad, Jay wrote: > I agree. lsof is your friend. > > lsof -n | grep TCP Or even better: lsof -i > > > If you want to know what's listening on *your* computer, lsof > > is the best > > answer. It will give you detailed information on what process > > (the pid) and > > the path to the binary that's listening on that port. > > > > Very useful when you see 'sshd' listening on port '31337' and > > the binary > > is really in /usr/share/doc/.blah/exploit So how do you get it to display the full path to the COMMAND? I didn't see an option for that in the man page, or are you talking about running lsof multiple times. > > -- > > Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, > > BOFH Certified > > http://www.poptix.net GPG public > > key 0x01938203 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Bret Baptist Systems and Technical Support Specialist bbaptist@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 x17 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services ------------------------------------------ Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Wed Jun 4 17:19:32 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT -- cordless phones Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE085@mail.temgweb.com> Ok, so after all of this talk on cordless phones, I bit the bullet and bought a Panasonic TG1050N expandable system. The sound quality kind of sucks. So I was at Target today, and I noticed there's a new V-tech system out for $99 and handsets are only $44 each. I decided to pick it up and test it out, if it sucks I can just bring it back. After I plugged it in, I noticed that the display is *exactly* the same as the Panasonic's. The menu system was also exactly the same, and all of the ringtones were exactly the same. It also has 3 voicemail boxes just like the panasonic, and the voice is even exactly the same. Even the instruction manual is exactly the same. IT'S THE SAME DAMN PHONE! But, even though it's the same phone, voice quality on the V-tech is 100 times better, both on my side, and the people I talk to say it sounds better. The panasonic lists for $249, the V-tech is $99 and it's a way better phone. I tried to register one of the handsets for the v-tech with the panasonic base station, but that didn't work. It didn't like the base ID I put in. But, the handsets both recognize when one of the other brands is picked up. Anyone wanna buy a panasonic for $77? :) Jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Wed Jun 4 17:48:50 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Alternative to SME Server ( e-smith ) In-Reply-To: <1054740982.3ede11f6e8a48@dreadidread.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <86fd238598a9029eeb5d6912fe2d91bb@stfu.local.> On 2003-06-04 10:36:22 -0500 jeff@dreadidread.homelinux.org wrote: > Hi All, > > I've been using Mitel's SME Server ( also know as e-smith ) as a > gateway, email, > web server & etc, but I'm investigating other server systems for > future use. > > Has anyone used a similar open-source package system? You might want to try a more standard linux distro. I'm not crazy about these pre-rolled things. Stick with something more mainstream, they tend to be m ore flexible and more people will be able to help you with problems you might have. > > Thanks, > > Jeff > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Wed Jun 4 17:50:05 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] how to know what services are listening on what ports? In-Reply-To: <2DE78F33FFE0D3118C0200508B94F9CA1D8E9696@uswaumsx08medge.med.ge.com> Message-ID: On 2003-06-04 13:17:56 -0500 "Sadanapalli, Pradeep Kumar (MED, TCS)" wrote: > Hi, > Is there any utility/command to know what services/daemons are > listening > on what ports? say, I want to know which service is listening on port > 21 of my computer? > Is there a way to know listening-ports and non-listening-ports? thanks > for the help... You can port scan the box. Then when you see a port open if you can't identify it you can use fuser fuser -n tcp $PORTNUM this will give u the PID of the process which can then be easily looked up with ps ax | grep $PID. HTH > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Wed Jun 4 17:51:01 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] how to know what services are listening on what ports? In-Reply-To: <20030604132349.I13941@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: On 2003-06-04 13:23:49 -0500 Scot Jenkins wrote: > Sadanapalli, Pradeep Kumar (MED, TCS) wrote: >> Is there any utility/command to know what services/daemons are >> listening >> on what ports? say, I want to know which service is listening on >> port 21 of my computer? >> Is there a way to know listening-ports and non-listening-ports? >> thanks >> for the help... > > man netstat netstat works great but can be daunting to new users, also remember the mighty 'fuser' :-) man fuser ;-) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Wed Jun 4 17:52:31 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] creating users by text file In-Reply-To: <071201c32acb$701221b0$53ae6742@DELL2> Message-ID: <4b6078005badc871996ac6331bd45a48@stfu.local.> On 2003-06-04 13:59:33 -0500 Raymond Norton wrote: > A while back I got a couple suggestions for creating users in squid. > For my > current project I need to create 200-300 Linux users with home > directories, > shell, etc... I messed with webmin (below), but I would have to do > bunch of > keyboarding. webmin can create users from a file right? so you could do a simple for loop to enter in the remainder of the info. Just a thought. > > create:tom:passwd:uid:gid:Tom > Johnson:/home/tom:/bin/sh:min:max:warn:inactive:expire > > Is there a script that will use this generic webmin line as the top > line and > create users with the fields that follow? > > e.g.. > create:username:passwd:uid:gid:realname:homedir:shell:min:max:warn:inactive: > expire > > :tom::::::Tom Johnson:/home/:/bin/sh::::: > > > > Raymond > > ------------- > > Defeat is a matter of choice. > > --God > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Wed Jun 4 17:54:40 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] how to know what services are listening on what ports? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Ben Lutgens wrote: > You can port scan the box. Then when you see a port open if you can't > identify it you can use fuser > > fuser -n tcp $PORTNUM > > this will give u the PID of the process which can then be easily > looked up with ps ax | grep $PID. why not make this only one command: fuser -v -n tcp $PORTNUM -v is verbose and gives you process names... Munir Nassar _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Wed Jun 4 21:02:39 2003 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Outlook back ends (yeah, I know) In-Reply-To: <20030604233301.12084.41797.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: I have a client who has certain needs that point to using Outlook. The trouble is that he and I do not want to pay for Windows Server 2003, Exchange Server 2000, a server to run them and people to staff it. From tanner at real-time.com Wed Jun 4 21:16:45 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (tanner@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:05 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Killing Linux - Dvorak article Message-ID: <20030604211645.Q2453@real-time.com> Killing Linux http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,1115156,00.asp So, I read this article. His comment that I (being part of the Linux community) have my head in the sand just doesn't sit right with me. His article has lots of gloom and doom, but like most people it's "a complaint". With no recommendation on what you should/can do. So, I post here. What can a lowly, linux user do to help fight this SCO thing? Best I can think of is just keep moving forward, evangelizing linux. If SCO wins, then what? Suddenly Linux is a crappy operating system? Do a 180 and tell everyone you convinced to try like to stop using it? Comments? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Wed Jun 4 21:31:55 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Killing Linux - Dvorak article References: <20030604211645.Q2453@real-time.com> Message-ID: <000801c32b0a$a1d712c0$0201a8c0@brinstar> tanner@real-time.com writes: > So, I read this article. His comment that I (being part of the Linux > community) have my head in the sand just doesn't sit right with me. I wouldn't take anything Dvorak says seriously. His articles rarely make sense or have any basis in reality. He gets paid to write articles that will sell advertising, not articles that disseminate correct information. He conveniently misses the possibility that there is in fact no violation, that the case gets thrown out and everything goes on as normal. What did the stupid crack about Microsoft's TCP/IP stack have to do with anything? > Do a 180 and tell everyone you convinced to try like to stop using it? Just tell them to upgrade to FreeBSD :) -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Wed Jun 4 21:46:10 2003 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SuSE 7.3, 8.1, Apache PHP, Perl, MySQL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200306042146.10514.jack@jacku.com> On Sunday 09 March 2003 8:55 am, mcolivier wrote: > Is there a particular order I need to be mindful of when adding LoadModule > lines so I can get PHP, Perl and MySQL to all work together under Apache? > And I'm confused as to why I need to do this manually when the modules for > all of them are included in the distro CD's and installed using YAST (Yet > Another Setup Tool). At any rate, the modules are there (MySQL works ok > now, but the rest don't for reasons I don't understand). Apparently, I need > to add the resepctive LoadModule lines. [Caveat: I checked this on a system running 8.2 upgraded from 8.0 YMMV] You should also have a file in your /etc/httpd directory called suse_loadmodule.conf this is the file that YaST manipulates. Looking at mine it loads php4 and userdir. From what I can tell this is then used by the init script. Any additional modules that get loaded show up in square brackets during the load process. In my case [PHP4 ZopeKeepHomes]. Hope this helps. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From philwil at earthlink.net Wed Jun 4 21:40:46 2003 From: philwil at earthlink.net (Phil Wilshire) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Killing Linux - Dvorak article References: <20030604211645.Q2453@real-time.com> Message-ID: <3EDEADAE.A60595CA@earthlink.net> Cheer up Bob. This will take a little time to unfold. We should use this as a really good example of why RMS is right. Software and software rights should not be left in the hands of those like SCO. The 1500 CEO's who got the letter, hopefully , should be wondering what this linux stuff is all about. I cannot see the likes of SCO shutting down linux operations worldwide. If SCO succeeds in limiting Linux in the USA it will place this Country at a serious disadvantage when the rest of the world can use it. For now, carry on as usual and treat SCO with the disdain they deserve. regards Phil Wilshire tanner@real-time.com wrote: > > Killing Linux > http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,1115156,00.asp > > So, I read this article. His comment that I (being part of the Linux community) > have my head in the sand just doesn't sit right with me. > > His article has lots of gloom and doom, but like most people it's "a complaint". > With no recommendation on what you should/can do. > > So, I post here. > > What can a lowly, linux user do to help fight this SCO thing? Best I can think > of is just keep moving forward, evangelizing linux. > > If SCO wins, then what? > > Suddenly Linux is a crappy operating system? > > Do a 180 and tell everyone you convinced to try like to stop using it? > > Comments? > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- SDCS -- System Design & Consulting Services LLC, http://www.sysdcs.com ** Embedded Linux Training ** email me for details 630 Springhouse Sq., Leesburg VA 20175 t: 703 669 9766 f: 703 669 9768 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org Wed Jun 4 22:12:53 2003 From: jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org (Joseph) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Killing Linux - Dvorak article References: <20030604211645.Q2453@real-time.com> <000801c32b0a$a1d712c0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <005401c32b10$5b634790$0436a8c0@tomobiki.dyndns.org> > > He conveniently misses the possibility that there is in fact no violation, > that the case gets thrown out and everything goes on as normal. > He does talk about the case being without merit and being dismissed. It is the last of the possible outcomes here talks about. From all the articles I have read on the subject. It looks like SCO is trying to scare people and get money from IBM. The biggest problem I see is that they still haven't released what code is in violation of their IP. A lot of people suspect that Linux will have new code in place very fast to remove the code in question. Joseph Key _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Wed Jun 4 22:18:49 2003 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Killing Linux - Dvorak article In-Reply-To: <20030604211645.Q2453@real-time.com> References: <20030604211645.Q2453@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200306042218.49761.jack@jacku.com> On Wednesday 04 June 2003 9:16 pm, tanner@real-time.com wrote: > > Comments? A few... Did you look at his timeline? He conviently leaves out the period when the combined SCO/Caldera was still run by Ransom Love and the original Caldera crew. There was a lot of work at that point trying to combine the best of UnixWare and Caldera Linux. This may be why SCO is being very "careful" about who it lets see the alleged violations. There are those that believe there may be pieces of GPL code in UnixWare that they need to be careful not to let show through. Which brings up a question that's been on my mind for the last week or so, where is Ransom Love and what does he have to say about all this? Particularly which side of the case will he testify for? I agree with others that Dvorak is a hot head. He goes off on these kinds of things all the time. (Or at least he did when I subscribed to PC Mag. for all those years.) He's wrong at least as often as he's right. It's obvious he hasn't done as much research as he would have you believe if he doesn't recognize the name "Canopy Group" as a major player in the ownership of Caldera/SCO. Its only been in every background article on the story published in the last few weeks. The article here http://news.com.com/2100-1016-1013229.html adds to the confusion over ownership of the IP. While I don't expect much to happen with this case I don't think its because "my head is in the sand". The only details I've seen are not very convincing because some the claims are out right false or the wording is sloppy. If you haven't viewed the response to the suit at opensource.org you should read it. I admit my bias in this I don't think Mr. Dvorak does... -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Wed Jun 4 22:38:42 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Killing Linux - Dvorak article In-Reply-To: <000801c32b0a$a1d712c0$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <20030604211645.Q2453@real-time.com> <000801c32b0a$a1d712c0$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <200306042238.42599@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Wednesday 04 June 2003 09:31 pm, David Phillips wrote: > tanner@real-time.com writes: > > So, I read this article. His comment that I (being part of the Linux > > community) have my head in the sand just doesn't sit right with me. > > I wouldn't take anything Dvorak says seriously. His articles rarely make > sense or have any basis in reality. He gets paid to write articles that > will sell advertising, not articles that disseminate correct information. > > He conveniently misses the possibility that there is in fact no violation, > that the case gets thrown out and everything goes on as normal. No, that is one of the points, the last one, he makes. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Wed Jun 4 22:40:10 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Outlook back ends (yeah, I know) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200306042240.10976@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Wednesday 04 June 2003 09:02 pm, Chris Schumann wrote: > Why Outlook? Here are the requirements: > Calendar accessible from any Internet-connected computer > Ability to view others' calendars (at least busy/not busy) > Ability to schedule on behalf of other users > Shared contact list > Syncing contacts and schedule to PDA (preferably PalmOS) > Has a Windows client (other software mandates Windows on > the client side) > > Kolab with Bynari's plug-in? > Bynari's server? > Some other wonderful thing? > What else can do this? kroupware? http://kroupware.kde.org/ It's beta, I believe. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jun 4 23:23:22 2003 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Killing Linux - Dvorak article In-Reply-To: <20030604211645.Q2453@real-time.com> References: <20030604211645.Q2453@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1054787002.3836.1542.camel@3po.thodt.net> On Wed, 2003-06-04 at 21:16, tanner@real-time.com wrote: > What can a lowly, linux user do to help fight this SCO thing? Best I can think > of is just keep moving forward, evangelizing linux. Since I know you guys do work evangelizing Linux, it's probably just important for you to be up-to-date on the issue. I don't know how often discussion of this case comes up with regard to potential Linux deployments, but I'm sure it happens at least once in a while. One bright point I can think of, and something that interested parties might want to do is follow the example of the Linuxtag group in Germany. They successfully got a judge to tell SCO to cease-and-desist pestering companies with threatening letters. Also, someone had a "SCO Sue Me!" page where Linux users could sign up to be sued by SCO, but I heard the guy running the page shut it down after something like 4000 people registered. The situation definitely irks me, so maybe I'll write a letter to the editor or contact some congresscritters. But, at the moment I'm fairly content to just watch and let the IBM lawyers do their thing. It's still *very* early in the legal game. I really doubt that SCO could win, especially against a company with a well-trained bank of lawyers like IBM. I haven't seen them say much yet, but maybe I just haven't been paying enough attention. I prefer to think that IBM is quietly building up a very big response.. Some interesting points (See the OSI position paper for a much more thorough discussion: http://catb.org/~esr/hackerlore/sco-vs-ibm.html) * SCO ownership of Unix intellectual property is questionable: - Novell might have the real ownership - Many Unix trade secrets may have already been legally nullified http://catb.org/~esr/nosecrets/ * Linux is "owned" by the Free Software Foundation, not IBM See the "COPYING" file in your source distribution * IBM is big on intellectual property, and (from what I can tell) they do what they can to keep exactly this sort of thing from happening - Comments from Linux developers at IBM indicate that IBM has a system in place for approving the inclusion of IP in Linux code. - IBM is highly experienced with "Chinese wall" development environments * SCO lied their ass off in the complaint - The company could probably be countersued on various points - Several technologies they claim were "stolen" don't exist in true Unix. - Caldera (predecessor to current SCO Group) contributed quite a bit to Linux, something they're very quiet about now If SCO's accusations have any merit, I'm sure most sane people would be happy with the Linux code in question being rewritten. However, SCO has been acting really strange, so it's hard to tell what weirdness they might come up with. If it ever gets to the point where SCO starts suing companies that use Linux, then it would be time to re-evaluate your position. Still, I doubt SCO has the resources to sue more than a relative handful of companies. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ When everything is coming / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ your way, you're in the \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) wrong lane. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030604/0464ae99/attachment.pgp From david at acz.org Wed Jun 4 23:39:54 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Killing Linux - Dvorak article References: <20030604211645.Q2453@real-time.com> <000801c32b0a$a1d712c0$0201a8c0@brinstar> <200306042238.42599@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <000e01c32b1c$82a9f180$0201a8c0@brinstar> Bob Tanner writes: > No, that is one of the points, the last one, he makes. ``The case is thrown out of court because it has no merit, and SCO has no platform to stand on because it doesn't own the code.'' I interpret ``the code'' to mean the UNIX source code, not the Linux source code. Interpreted the other way, he is either ignoring the Novell situation or rolling the two scenarios into one. He also ignores IBM winning in version B, which would be quite likely. The whole idea of ``the Linux movement'' in version C is silly. People should be using Linux because it is the correct choice, not because it has the right marketing behind it. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From eh at constantdata.com Thu Jun 5 00:05:57 2003 From: eh at constantdata.com (A. A. El Haddi) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Killing Linux - Dvorak article In-Reply-To: <20030604211645.Q2453@real-time.com> Message-ID: My comment is to keep doing what you have been doing. Preach the book. Preach it! preach it. Support linux and its apps whenever you can. I remember in early 1994 when I was told it was a waste of time to get the haloween release of red hat (the bat logo) to act as our main ftp server, http server. Low and behold, the entire organization has converted to Linux now ( Tim or Andy or Don, are you reading this :-). Look at all the appliances coming to the market (backup appliances, file server appliances, Blades, Grid, ....). I am not preaching to you. know you believe it :-) --eh On Wed, 4 Jun 2003 tanner@real-time.com wrote: > Killing Linux > http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,1115156,00.asp > > So, I read this article. His comment that I (being part of the Linux community) > have my head in the sand just doesn't sit right with me. > > His article has lots of gloom and doom, but like most people it's "a complaint". > With no recommendation on what you should/can do. > > So, I post here. > > What can a lowly, linux user do to help fight this SCO thing? Best I can think > of is just keep moving forward, evangelizing linux. > > If SCO wins, then what? > > Suddenly Linux is a crappy operating system? > > Do a 180 and tell everyone you convinced to try like to stop using it? > > Comments? > > -- --Aba All information in this email is Copyright(2003) A. A. El Haddi ----------------------------------------------------------------------- www.constantdata.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Data Replication for Disaster recovery, Content Distribution and GRID _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Thu Jun 5 00:50:10 2003 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Outlook back ends (yeah, I know) In-Reply-To: <20030605054701.30341.19938.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: > From: Bob Tanner > On Wednesday 04 June 2003 09:02 pm, Chris Schumann wrote: > > Why Outlook? Here are the requirements: > kroupware? > http://kroupware.kde.org/ > It's beta, I believe. This is promising. However, it requires a plug-in for Outlook that has to be purchased. And even at ten users, the plug-in is more expensive than a license to run the proprietary Linux server that doesn't need the plug-in. It also requires a server and that overhead. Does anyone know if there are companies (preferably local) that will hire out Outlook fuctionality? That is, have some server running that my client could connect to via Outlook and manage some number of users for a monthly fee? Chris Schumann Third Wave Partnership Partner Full Life-Cycle Development http://www.twp-llc.com Phone: 612.920.4364 Fax:612.677.3003 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bradyh at bitstream.net Thu Jun 5 05:49:52 2003 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Killing Linux - Dvorak article In-Reply-To: <3EDEADAE.A60595CA@earthlink.net> References: <20030604211645.Q2453@real-time.com> <3EDEADAE.A60595CA@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1054810188.1068.26.camel@orlando> I read that the offending code was "10 or 15 lines here and there" and "entire sections" in other places. How long do you think it would take a concerted effort to replace or at least remove that code? 2 days...3 days? What are the legal ramifications of that? And what are the legal ramifications if the code only exists in the 2.4 series, say? I personally think this will end up blowing up in SCO's face so bad that it will be a nail in the coffin of the Linux FUDsters. > tanner@real-time.com wrote: > > > > Killing Linux > > http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,1115156,00.asp > > > > So, I read this article. His comment that I (being part of the Linux community) > > have my head in the sand just doesn't sit right with me. > > > > His article has lots of gloom and doom, but like most people it's "a complaint". > > With no recommendation on what you should/can do. > > > > So, I post here. > > > > What can a lowly, linux user do to help fight this SCO thing? Best I can think > > of is just keep moving forward, evangelizing linux. > > > > If SCO wins, then what? > > > > Suddenly Linux is a crappy operating system? > > > > Do a 180 and tell everyone you convinced to try like to stop using it? > > > > Comments? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From RWARE at INTERPLASTIC.COM Thu Jun 5 06:56:03 2003 From: RWARE at INTERPLASTIC.COM (RWARE@INTERPLASTIC.COM) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Killing Linux - Dvorak article Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF6237A6D@IPSERVER2> > -----Original Message----- > From: A. A. El Haddi [mailto:eh@constantdata.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 12:06 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Killing Linux - Dvorak article > > > > > My comment is to keep doing what you have been doing. Preach the > book. Preach it! preach it. Support linux and its apps whenever you Please don't preach too hard. It actually drives some people away. I use linux, but work with a linvangelist who drive me nuts. He doesn't persuade many people. People now will not ask him any sort of technology question for fear that he jump on the soapbox though. > can. I remember in early 1994 when I was told it was a waste of time > to get the haloween release of red hat (the bat logo) to act as our > main ftp server, http server. Low and behold, the entire organization > has converted to Linux now ( Tim or Andy or Don, are you > reading this :-). > > Look at all the appliances coming to the market (backup appliances, > file server appliances, Blades, Grid, ....). > > I am not preaching to you. know you believe it :-) > > > --eh > > On Wed, 4 Jun 2003 tanner@real-time.com wrote: > > > Killing Linux > > http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,1115156,00.asp > > > > So, I read this article. His comment that I (being part of > the Linux community) > > have my head in the sand just doesn't sit right with me. > > > > His article has lots of gloom and doom, but like most > people it's "a complaint". > > With no recommendation on what you should/can do. > > > > So, I post here. > > > > What can a lowly, linux user do to help fight this SCO > thing? Best I can think > > of is just keep moving forward, evangelizing linux. > > > > If SCO wins, then what? > > > > Suddenly Linux is a crappy operating system? > > > > Do a 180 and tell everyone you convinced to try like to > stop using it? > > > > Comments? > > > > > > -- > > --Aba > > All information in this email is Copyright(2003) A. A. El Haddi > -------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > www.constantdata.com > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > Data Replication for Disaster recovery, Content Distribution and GRID > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Thu Jun 5 08:05:19 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:06 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Killing Linux - Dvorak article In-Reply-To: <20030604211645.Q2453@real-time.com> Message-ID: <9780ac139a14748e7046839ebdd381d3@stfu.local.> On 2003-06-04 21:16:45 -0500 tanner@real-time.com wrote: > Killing Linux http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,1115156,00.asp > > So, I read this article. His comment that I (being part of the Linux > community) > have my head in the sand just doesn't sit right with me. > > His article has lots of gloom and doom, but like most people it's "a > complaint". > With no recommendation on what you should/can do. > > So, I post here. > > What can a lowly, linux user do to help fight this SCO thing? Best I > can think > of is just keep moving forward, evangelizing linux. Ignore it SCO has no case, its a PR fest. > If SCO wins, then what? They won't perish the thought. Novel owns all the copyrights etc. > Suddenly Linux is a crappy operating system? It was pretty crappy before. But then all OSes are crappy. > > Do a 180 and tell everyone you convinced to try like to stop using it? You go get your MCSE and join the rest of the mindless drones. Did I say that outloud? Actually I'd go find another career if linux suddenly went away. > Comments? > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Thu Jun 5 08:04:01 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Outlook back ends (yeah, I know) Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD50821CE@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> It's a tad expensive but SuSE OpenExchange has been working nice...i have a demo if you would like a copy.... -----Original Message----- From: Chris Schumann [mailto:cschumann@twp-llc.com] Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 12:50 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Outlook back ends (yeah, I know) > From: Bob Tanner > On Wednesday 04 June 2003 09:02 pm, Chris Schumann wrote: > > Why Outlook? Here are the requirements: > kroupware? > http://kroupware.kde.org/ > It's beta, I believe. This is promising. However, it requires a plug-in for Outlook that has to be purchased. And even at ten users, the plug-in is more expensive than a license to run the proprietary Linux server that doesn't need the plug-in. It also requires a server and that overhead. Does anyone know if there are companies (preferably local) that will hire out Outlook fuctionality? That is, have some server running that my client could connect to via Outlook and manage some number of users for a monthly fee? Chris Schumann Third Wave Partnership Partner Full Life-Cycle Development http://www.twp-llc.com Phone: 612.920.4364 Fax:612.677.3003 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Thu Jun 5 08:20:53 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Killing Linux - Dvorak article Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD50821D0@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> My 2 cents....which are frequently wrong is that killing Linux would be like how the English tried to kill the Gaelic language in Ireland....something that is so available to everyone cannot be destroyed.....they can kill all the companies but what about all the people out there with the source....in a week there would be more versions out there....maybe they would change the name bout it would still be Linux and it would still be open source.... Viva la underground :o) -----Original Message----- From: tanner@real-time.com [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 9:17 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Killing Linux - Dvorak article Importance: High Killing Linux http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,1115156,00.asp So, I read this article. His comment that I (being part of the Linux community) have my head in the sand just doesn't sit right with me. His article has lots of gloom and doom, but like most people it's "a complaint". With no recommendation on what you should/can do. So, I post here. What can a lowly, linux user do to help fight this SCO thing? Best I can think of is just keep moving forward, evangelizing linux. If SCO wins, then what? Suddenly Linux is a crappy operating system? Do a 180 and tell everyone you convinced to try like to stop using it? Comments? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dndalitz at earthlink.net Thu Jun 5 08:30:50 2003 From: dndalitz at earthlink.net (Dave Alitz) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Outlook back ends (yeah, I know) References: Message-ID: <00bc01c32b66$aec99190$6001a8c0@eagan.powersys.com> US Internet (http://www.usinternet.com/) is based locally and offers Exchange accounts. I don't know anything about their pricing on Exchange accounts. Dave Alitz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Schumann" To: Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 12:50 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Outlook back ends (yeah, I know) > > From: Bob Tanner > > On Wednesday 04 June 2003 09:02 pm, Chris Schumann wrote: > > > Why Outlook? Here are the requirements: > > > kroupware? > > http://kroupware.kde.org/ > > It's beta, I believe. > > This is promising. However, it requires a plug-in for Outlook that has to be > purchased. And even at ten users, the plug-in is more expensive than a > license to run the proprietary Linux server that doesn't need the plug-in. > It also requires a server and that overhead. > > Does anyone know if there are companies (preferably local) that will hire > out Outlook fuctionality? That is, have some server running that my client > could connect to via Outlook and manage some number of users for a monthly > fee? > > Chris Schumann Third Wave Partnership > Partner Full Life-Cycle Development > http://www.twp-llc.com > Phone: 612.920.4364 Fax:612.677.3003 > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From marty at borderbound.com Thu Jun 5 08:53:24 2003 From: marty at borderbound.com (Marty Olson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Killing Linux - Dvorak article In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD50821D0@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: the proverbial "genie" is out of the bottle. Dan's post even gives the proper name: Open Source. SCO can sue until they're blue in the face. rounding up cats will be easier than trying the same with "linux". IMO -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Lansing, Dan Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 8:21 AM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Killing Linux - Dvorak article My 2 cents....which are frequently wrong is that killing Linux would be like how the English tried to kill the Gaelic language in Ireland....something that is so available to everyone cannot be destroyed.....they can kill all the companies but what about all the people out there with the source....in a week there would be more versions out there....maybe they would change the name bout it would still be Linux and it would still be open source.... Viva la underground :o) -----Original Message----- From: tanner@real-time.com [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 9:17 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] Killing Linux - Dvorak article Importance: High Killing Linux http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,1115156,00.asp So, I read this article. His comment that I (being part of the Linux community) have my head in the sand just doesn't sit right with me. His article has lots of gloom and doom, but like most people it's "a complaint". With no recommendation on what you should/can do. So, I post here. What can a lowly, linux user do to help fight this SCO thing? Best I can think of is just keep moving forward, evangelizing linux. If SCO wins, then what? Suddenly Linux is a crappy operating system? Do a 180 and tell everyone you convinced to try like to stop using it? Comments? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Thu Jun 5 10:45:47 2003 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Killing Linux - Dvorak article In-Reply-To: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF6237A6D@IPSERVER2> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Jun 2003 RWARE@INTERPLASTIC.COM wrote: > Please don't preach too hard. It actually drives some people away. I use > linux, but work with a linvangelist who drive me nuts. He doesn't persuade > many people. People now will not ask him any sort of technology question > for fear that he jump on the soapbox though. If in doubt, there's a HOWTO: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/mini/Advocacy.html -Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kremer at ringworld.org Thu Jun 5 10:56:49 2003 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Killing Linux - Dvorak article In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Oh my. I was reading that HOWTO and noticed that it may be time to update that one, because of issues related to the original topic here. "Companies such as Caldera, Cygnus Solutions, Red Hat, and S.u.S.E. offer support for some or all components of a typical Linux distribution." Maybe they shouldn't have Caldera on there anymore... On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, Brian wrote: > If in doubt, there's a HOWTO: > > http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/mini/Advocacy.html > > -Brian ------------- Justin Kremer "One likes to believe in the freedom of music, But glittering prizes and endless compromises Shatter the illusion of integrity." - Rush "The Spirit of Radio" (1980) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kptfuzzy at acm.cs.umn.edu Thu Jun 5 18:03:19 2003 From: kptfuzzy at acm.cs.umn.edu (Tuan Pham) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT -- cordless phones In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE085@mail.temgweb.com> References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE085@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <20030605230319.GA27369@monopoly.cs.umn.edu> After the review you just gave, I'd be kinda suprised if anyone would want to buy it ;) -Tuan Pham On Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 05:19:32PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > Anyone wanna buy a panasonic for $77? :) > > Jay > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Jun 5 18:12:13 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT -- cordless phones In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE085@mail.temgweb.com> References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE085@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <20030605231213.GG909@techmonkeys.org> On Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 05:19:32PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > So I was at Target today, and I noticed there's a new V-tech system out for > $99 and handsets are only $44 each. I decided to pick it up and test it > out, if it sucks I can just bring it back. After I plugged it in, I noticed > that the display is *exactly* the same as the Panasonic's. The menu system > was also exactly the same, and all of the ringtones were exactly the same. > It also has 3 voicemail boxes just like the panasonic, and the voice is even > exactly the same. Even the instruction manual is exactly the same. IT'S > THE SAME DAMN PHONE! Yup, I've got one of those. Keep your warranty card, because the LCD dislpay on the V-Tech *will* fail, and you'll be left trying to figure out what the caller ID says. > But, even though it's the same phone, voice quality on the V-tech is 100 > times better, both on my side, and the people I talk to say it sounds > better. The panasonic lists for $249, the V-tech is $99 and it's a way > better phone. Kinda like paying for a $1800 Gateway system that uses the same parts as the $500 beige box at $local_computer_store > I tried to register one of the handsets for the v-tech with the panasonic > base station, but that didn't work. It didn't like the base ID I put in. > But, the handsets both recognize when one of the other brands is picked up. Yup, they're keyed differently just to annoy people (and make you buy more phones, of course) > Jay -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Thu Jun 5 19:27:46 2003 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #2769 - 10 msgs In-Reply-To: <20030605170002.26694.99859.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: OpenExchange (10 users retail): $1249 Windows 2000 Server + Exchange Server 2000 (10 user retail): $2568 Windows 2000 Server + Exchange Server 2000 (10 user oem): $1072 (!) Bynari InsightServer (10 users direct): $99 Bynari InsightConnector (10 users direct): $295 I have no idea why Bynari is so cheap, but there it is. Samsung Contact is the new name for HP's OpenMail. I was unable to find a price, but it operates with Outlook as a client. Chris > Message: 5 > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] Outlook back ends (yeah, I know) > Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 08:04:01 -0500 > From: "Lansing, Dan" > To: > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > It's a tad expensive but SuSE OpenExchange has been working nice...i = > have a demo if you would like a copy.... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Schumann [mailto:cschumann@twp-llc.com]=20 > Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 12:50 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Outlook back ends (yeah, I know) > > > From: Bob Tanner > > On Wednesday 04 June 2003 09:02 pm, Chris Schumann wrote: > > > Why Outlook? Here are the requirements: > > > kroupware? > > http://kroupware.kde.org/ > > It's beta, I believe. > > This is promising. However, it requires a plug-in for Outlook that has = > to be > purchased. And even at ten users, the plug-in is more expensive than a > license to run the proprietary Linux server that doesn't need the = > plug-in. > It also requires a server and that overhead. > > Does anyone know if there are companies (preferably local) that will = > hire > out Outlook fuctionality? That is, have some server running that my = > client > could connect to via Outlook and manage some number of users for a = > monthly > fee? > > Chris Schumann Third Wave Partnership _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From shanson at cruiskeen.com Thu Jun 5 19:40:00 2003 From: shanson at cruiskeen.com (Steve Hanson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:07 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] the saga continues In-Reply-To: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D358B@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> References: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D358B@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Message-ID: <3EDFE2E0.1000904@cruiskeen.com> Lansing, Dan wrote: > The main things I notice is that SQUAT is failing when users log on and opt fails because of no opie dir....i haven't been able to find anything on google about squat except for people claiming the don't know squat about Linux.....as far as opt....this morning I installed the popt package on the install cd....not sure if this is the same or not but I figured it would be worth a try....also found out most of the users didn't even notice there was a 'logout' button on the client.....and were just closing the browser then logging right back in.....i gave them all hand slaps..... > If what you mean here is that you're getting lots of errors logged about not being able to log the squat files when mailboxes are open, that's pretty much normal. Cyrus imap can have indexes on mailboxes that can be used to speed searches. You won't have squat files unless you're using the squatter program to build them. You may not want to build them unless you have users with big mailboxes that they do searches on a lot. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jack Ungerleider [mailto:jack@jacku.com] > Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 11:55 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] the saga continues > > On Saturday 31 May 2003 11:20 pm, Bob Tanner wrote: > >>On Friday 30 May 2003 01:05 pm, Lansing, Dan wrote: >> >>>Will check that when I get home and let you know....is that where I will >>>find out what service is dying??? thanks >> >>Generally most linux distros log to /var/log, not sure about Suse (Jack you >>out there?) And most well behaved linux application log all sorts of >>wonderful stuff (or not so wonderful stuff) to /var/log. >> >>Poke around a bit. > > > I'm here... > > Yup, SuSE dumps all sorts of stuff into various files in var log. For your MTA > check for /var/log/mail or possibly /var/log/postfix for postfix (this might > not be the case). Anyway lots of stuff goes to /var/log/messages so when in > doubt look there first. :-) > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Thu Jun 5 20:42:17 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Outlook back ends (yeah, I know) In-Reply-To: <00bc01c32b66$aec99190$6001a8c0@eagan.powersys.com> Message-ID: <2d2bdf40b5095b0b79bf7cb1f49df2aa@stfu.local.> On 2003-06-05 08:30:50 -0500 Dave Alitz wrote: > US Internet (http://www.usinternet.com/) is based locally and offers > Exchange accounts. I don't know anything about their pricing on > Exchange > account Having a client who uses usinternet as the ISP i caution you. I'll say no more out of respect, but urge you to find another solution. Contact me off-list for more information.... > > Dave Alitz > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Schumann" > > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 12:50 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Outlook back ends (yeah, I know) > > >>> From: Bob Tanner >>> On Wednesday 04 June 2003 09:02 pm, Chris Schumann wrote: >>>> Why Outlook? Here are the requirements: >> >>> kroupware? >>> http://kroupware.kde.org/ >>> It's beta, I believe. >> >> This is promising. However, it requires a plug-in for Outlook that >> has to > be >> purchased. And even at ten users, the plug-in is more expensive than >> a >> license to run the proprietary Linux server that doesn't need the >> plug-in. >> It also requires a server and that overhead. >> >> Does anyone know if there are companies (preferably local) that will >> hire >> out Outlook fuctionality? That is, have some server running that my >> client >> could connect to via Outlook and manage some number of users for a >> monthly >> fee? >> >> Chris Schumann Third Wave >> Partnership >> Partner Full Life-Cycle >> Development >> >> http://www.twp-llc.com >> Phone: 612.920.4364 >> Fax:612.677.3003 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mcolivier at earthlink.net Sat Jun 7 00:23:43 2003 From: mcolivier at earthlink.net (Marc Olivier) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] insmod failure Message-ID: <200306070023.43312.mcolivier@earthlink.net> Hello. What does the following mean? I have SuSE 8.1 on an AMD machine. I am trying to get Zip drive initialized and working under Linux. I downloaded some drivers from Iomega, and got some info from members here, but here's the thing. When I type "modprobe imm" nothing unusual happens. When I type "modprobe vfat" nothing unusual happens. In between these lines, I type "modprobe ppa" and I get this error message: /lib/modules/2.4.19-4GB/kernel/drivers/scsi/ppa.o: init_module: No such device Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters. You may find more information in syslog or the output from dmesg /lib/modules/2.4.19-4GB/kernel/drivers/scsi/ppa.o: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.19-4GB/kernel/drivers/scsi/ppa.o failed /lib/modules/2.4.19-4GB/kernel/drivers/scsi/ppa.o: insmod ppa failed linux:~ # What is wrong? Marc _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Jun 6 01:15:15 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] insmod failure In-Reply-To: <200306070023.43312.mcolivier@earthlink.net> References: <200306070023.43312.mcolivier@earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 7 Jun 2003, Marc Olivier wrote: > Hello. What does the following mean? > > > > I have SuSE 8.1 on an AMD machine. I am trying to get Zip drive initialized > and working under Linux. I downloaded some drivers from Iomega, and got some > info from members here, but here's the thing. > > When I type "modprobe imm" nothing unusual happens. > When I type "modprobe vfat" nothing unusual happens. > In between these lines, I type "modprobe ppa" and I get this error message: iirc you do not need the ppa modules if memory serves me correctly, imm is the new parport zip drives, and ppa is the old... so you only need one > /lib/modules/2.4.19-4GB/kernel/drivers/scsi/ppa.o: init_module: No such device if my english is not too rusty this means that it could not find a ppa deviceprobably because there is no such device. Munir Nassar _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Fri Jun 6 05:22:25 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] insmod failure In-Reply-To: <200306070023.43312.mcolivier@earthlink.net> References: <200306070023.43312.mcolivier@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20030606052225.0ae6ea34.sfertch@real-time.com> On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 00:23:43 -0500 Marc Olivier wrote: > I have SuSE 8.1 on an AMD machine. I am trying to get Zip drive > initialized and working under Linux. I downloaded some drivers from > Iomega, and got some info from members here, but here's the thing. > > When I type "modprobe imm" nothing unusual happens. > When I type "modprobe vfat" nothing unusual happens. > In between these lines, I type "modprobe ppa" and I get this error > message: > > /lib/modules/2.4.19-4GB/kernel/drivers/scsi/ppa.o: init_module: No > such device Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module > parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters. imm is what you want for the Zip drive. Don't use ppa, as that is for the very ancient drives and will give you the errors you are seeing. BTW, you shouldn't have to load any drivers from Iomega. All you need is what's already build into the kernel and you install the DOS utilities (IIRC). After you've done the modprobe imm, you should be set and ready to go. Make a directory for it such as /zipdrive or /mnt/zip and mount it up with an entry in your /etc/fstab: /dev/sda4 /zipdrive vfat noauto,user,rw 0 0 *Note: You will get errors on the modprobe imm if you don't have the drive connected when run. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Fri Jun 6 07:37:04 2003 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:08 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] viewing a binary file Message-ID: <200306060737.04720.wilson@visi.com> Hey everyone, Here I sit on the last day of school and my colleagues and I are working on our final grades. One of my colleagues has a very important file of student grades that has been corrupted some how. Is there a linux utility for viewing binary files that I might be able to use to recover some of the data? -Tim P.S. Yes, BTW, the file are backed up daily. The problem is that some data were added since the last backup and the person who added the scores isn't around to re-enter them. -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Science teacher, Linux fan, Zope developer, Grad. student, Daddy mailto:wilson@visi.com | http://qwerk.org/ | public key: 0x8C0F8813 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Fri Jun 6 07:39:44 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] viewing a binary file In-Reply-To: <200306060737.04720.wilson@visi.com> Message-ID: strings ? On Fri, 6 Jun 2003, Tim Wilson wrote: > Hey everyone, > > Here I sit on the last day of school and my colleagues and I are working on > our final grades. One of my colleagues has a very important file of student > grades that has been corrupted some how. Is there a linux utility for viewing > binary files that I might be able to use to recover some of the data? > > -Tim > > P.S. Yes, BTW, the file are backed up daily. The problem is that some data > were added since the last backup and the person who added the scores isn't > around to re-enter them. > > -- > Tim Wilson > Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA > Science teacher, Linux fan, Zope developer, Grad. student, Daddy > mailto:wilson@visi.com | http://qwerk.org/ | public key: 0x8C0F8813 > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From wilson at visi.com Fri Jun 6 07:45:04 2003 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] viewing a binary file In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200306060745.04336.wilson@visi.com> On Friday 06 June 2003 07:39, Adam Maloney wrote: > strings ? That pulls out the student names, id numbers and such, but I don't see any of the scores in there. -Tim -- Tim Wilson Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Science teacher, Linux fan, Zope developer, Grad. student, Daddy mailto:wilson@visi.com | http://qwerk.org/ | public key: 0x8C0F8813 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Fri Jun 6 07:57:35 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] viewing a binary file In-Reply-To: <200306060745.04336.wilson@visi.com> Message-ID: Do you happen to know the format? Perl can unpack() a binary file rather easily, but you'd need to know the structure of the file first. BSD comes with a utility called hexdump that might help too - not sure if this is stock with whatever Linux distro you're using, but I'm sure there's plenty of similar utils on freshmeat. Since you probably have a good idea what the data should look like, you might be able to make due with hexdump. Find a record for one of the computer-geeks so you have a good idea of what their score should have been, and it'll be easier to pick out of the noise. Once you know about where the score is in relation to the name, you should be able to go through it record by record. On Fri, 6 Jun 2003, Tim Wilson wrote: > On Friday 06 June 2003 07:39, Adam Maloney wrote: > > strings ? > > That pulls out the student names, id numbers and such, but I don't see any of > the scores in there. > > -Tim > > -- > Tim Wilson > Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA > Science teacher, Linux fan, Zope developer, Grad. student, Daddy > mailto:wilson@visi.com | http://qwerk.org/ | public key: 0x8C0F8813 > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Fri Jun 6 08:00:36 2003 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] viewing a binary file In-Reply-To: <200306060737.04720.wilson@visi.com> References: <200306060737.04720.wilson@visi.com> Message-ID: <20030606130036.GA16146@refried.org> On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 07:37:04AM -0500, Tim Wilson wrote: > Is there a linux utility for viewing binary files that I might be able > to use to recover some of the data? Believe it or not, ViM actually has a binary mode. I don't think it's a substitute for a good hex editor (which I haven't found) but it should help out a little. Just use the -b command line flag and see ":help binary" for more information. But wait, there's more! I did ":help hex" and found out the ViM way of hex editing. There is an xxd program that comes with ViM which dumps the file in a hex editing format. This I might actually like. :) Nate _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.com Fri Jun 6 07:57:27 2003 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] viewing a binary file In-Reply-To: <200306060737.04720.wilson@visi.com> References: <200306060737.04720.wilson@visi.com> Message-ID: <1054904247.17556.2.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> hexedit? On Fri, 2003-06-06 at 07:37, Tim Wilson wrote: > Is there a linux utility for viewing binary files that I might be able to use to recover some of the data? > > -Tim -- Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Fri Jun 6 08:23:47 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] the saga continues Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D35BD@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> Thank you for this information....i have been wondering what this squat was for sometime and have not been able to find any information on it... -----Original Message----- From: Steve Hanson [mailto:shanson@cruiskeen.com] Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 7:40 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] the saga continues Lansing, Dan wrote: > The main things I notice is that SQUAT is failing when users log on and opt fails because of no opie dir....i haven't been able to find anything on google about squat except for people claiming the don't know squat about Linux.....as far as opt....this morning I installed the popt package on the install cd....not sure if this is the same or not but I figured it would be worth a try....also found out most of the users didn't even notice there was a 'logout' button on the client.....and were just closing the browser then logging right back in.....i gave them all hand slaps..... > If what you mean here is that you're getting lots of errors logged about not being able to log the squat files when mailboxes are open, that's pretty much normal. Cyrus imap can have indexes on mailboxes that can be used to speed searches. You won't have squat files unless you're using the squatter program to build them. You may not want to build them unless you have users with big mailboxes that they do searches on a lot. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jack Ungerleider [mailto:jack@jacku.com] > Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 11:55 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] the saga continues > > On Saturday 31 May 2003 11:20 pm, Bob Tanner wrote: > >>On Friday 30 May 2003 01:05 pm, Lansing, Dan wrote: >> >>>Will check that when I get home and let you know....is that where I will >>>find out what service is dying??? thanks >> >>Generally most linux distros log to /var/log, not sure about Suse (Jack you >>out there?) And most well behaved linux application log all sorts of >>wonderful stuff (or not so wonderful stuff) to /var/log. >> >>Poke around a bit. > > > I'm here... > > Yup, SuSE dumps all sorts of stuff into various files in var log. For your MTA > check for /var/log/mail or possibly /var/log/postfix for postfix (this might > not be the case). Anyway lots of stuff goes to /var/log/messages so when in > doubt look there first. :-) > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Fri Jun 6 08:50:20 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] viewing a binary file References: <200306060737.04720.wilson@visi.com> Message-ID: <004c01c32c32$92078860$0201a8c0@brinstar> Tim Wilson writes: > Is there a linux utility for viewing binary files that I might be > able to use to recover some of the data? hexdump -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From garay002 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jun 6 09:09:13 2003 From: garay002 at tc.umn.edu (Rodney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re-installing LILO | Access to cd-rom Message-ID: <3EE0A089.2010801@tc.umn.edu> My new Maxtor master hd is dying. A new one is coming in the mail and "oh joy!" I get to 1) save data to the slave drive 2)ground myself and swap hd 3)format hd and install Win98 and all drivers and software and updates (THAT is a PAIN in the ass!). The problem is that when I do that I'll lose LILO and therefore access to the slave drive/Linux. I've gone thru this recently (about a month ago) after installing the new hd and wound up reinstalling Linux on the slave drive because I didn't know how to just re-do the LILO part of the Mandrake 9.1 install. Any ideas on how I can 're-install' (?) LILO after the WIN98 install? Btw is LILO the best of boot managers? A second question.... When I try to access a data cd by clicking on /mnt/cdrom thru Konqueror I get this message: "file:/mnt/cdrom doesn't seem to exist anymore". The cd is spinning and you get the sense that things are going to happen but instead that message comes up. I get a similar message when I put a music cd in and fire up KsCD I get "Unable to enter file:/mnt/cdrom. You do not have access rights to this location". What do I need to do to give all apps and users access to the cd-rom? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Fri Jun 6 10:26:19 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re-installing LILO | Access to cd-rom In-Reply-To: <3EE0A089.2010801@tc.umn.edu> References: <3EE0A089.2010801@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Jun 2003, Rodney wrote: > and wound up reinstalling Linux on the slave drive because I didn't know > how to just re-do the LILO part of the Mandrake 9.1 install. Any ideas > on how I can 're-install' (?) LILO after the WIN98 install? Btw is LILO > the best of boot managers? Did you create a boot disk? If so, boot off it, log in as root, run 'lilo'. If not, they should have a rescue disk of some sort available that'll let you do the same. I prefer Grub, but LILO works. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gmcdavid at attbi.com Fri Jun 6 10:28:05 2003 From: gmcdavid at attbi.com (gmcdavid@attbi.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re-installing LILO | Access to cd-rom Message-ID: > The problem is that when I do > that I'll lose LILO and therefore access to the slave drive/Linux. I've > gone thru this recently (about a month ago) after installing the new hd > and wound up reinstalling Linux on the slave drive because I didn't know > how to just re-do the LILO part of the Mandrake 9.1 install. > Any ideas on how I can 're-install' (?) LILO after the WIN98 install? I had a similar problem not too long ago. My solution was to use loadlin in my Win 98 partition (in DOS mode) to boot Linux from Windows. Once in Linux I reinstalled LILO. This was Slackware, so I used liloconfig at that point, but there should be a Mandrake equivalent. Not very artistic, but it did the job. A couple warnings: 1) Get a recent version of loadlin--older versions have trouble with new kernels. 2) Make sure you have your kernel copied to a safe place before you begin the process. Also make sure you know which is your root partition! Glenn McDavid mailto:gmcdavid@attbi.com http://www.winternet.com/~gmcdavid _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jun 6 10:54:00 2003 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re-installing LILO In-Reply-To: <3EE0A089.2010801@tc.umn.edu> References: <3EE0A089.2010801@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <1054914840.7688.1162.camel@3po.thodt.net> On Fri, 2003-06-06 at 09:09, Rodney wrote: > My new Maxtor master hd is dying. A new one is coming in the mail and > "oh joy!" I get to 1) save data to the slave drive 2)ground myself and > swap hd 3)format hd and install Win98 and all drivers and software and > updates (THAT is a PAIN in the ass!). The problem is that when I do > that I'll lose LILO and therefore access to the slave drive/Linux. Are you getting a replacement that is the same make/model? If so, the drive should be the same size, so you can do the "Ghetto Ghost" trick of something like dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb bs=64k assuming that you have the old drive as master, and the new one as slave.. This *should* also work if the new drive is bigger (but you'd only want to do this if there is only a small difference in size -- otherwise you could be wasting valuable space) -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Why can't you be a / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ non-conformist like \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) everyone else? [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Is it redhat-config-date or dateconfig or something else? I would like to give sudo permissions to the user, so I want to edit this. Please help me in knowing where to find and edit the binary execited from the clock applet? Thanks in advance... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Fri Jun 6 11:03:49 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re-installing LILO In-Reply-To: <1054914840.7688.1162.camel@3po.thodt.net> References: <3EE0A089.2010801@tc.umn.edu> <1054914840.7688.1162.camel@3po.thodt.net> Message-ID: <200306061103.49227@slushman> On Friday 06 June 2003 10:54 am, Mike Hicks wrote: > Are you getting a replacement that is the same make/model? If so, the > drive should be the same size, so you can do the "Ghetto Ghost" trick of > something like > > dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb bs=64k > > assuming that you have the old drive as master, and the new one as > slave.. > > This *should* also work if the new drive is bigger (but you'd only want > to do this if there is only a small difference in size -- otherwise you > could be wasting valuable space) You can also do this if its larger, and just modify the partition table afterwards- either make an additional partition(s) in the other space, or you can delete the partition, and add it again (must have the same start boundry to work) only larger. If you do that, you need grow2fs (for ext[2|3], other utilities exist for other filesystems). Jay -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From garay002 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jun 6 10:10:02 2003 From: garay002 at tc.umn.edu (Rodney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:09 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re-installing LILO In-Reply-To: <1054914840.7688.1162.camel@3po.thodt.net> References: <3EE0A089.2010801@tc.umn.edu> <1054914840.7688.1162.camel@3po.thodt.net> Message-ID: <3EE0AECA.3090505@tc.umn.edu> Mike Hicks wrote: >On Fri, 2003-06-06 at 09:09, Rodney wrote: > > >>My new Maxtor master hd is dying. A new one is coming in the mail and >>"oh joy!" I get to 1) save data to the slave drive 2)ground myself and >>swap hd 3)format hd and install Win98 and all drivers and software and >>updates (THAT is a PAIN in the ass!). The problem is that when I do >>that I'll lose LILO and therefore access to the slave drive/Linux. >> >> > >Are you getting a replacement that is the same make/model? If so, the >drive should be the same size, so you can do the "Ghetto Ghost" trick of >something like > > dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb bs=64k > >assuming that you have the old drive as master, and the new one as >slave.. > >This *should* also work if the new drive is bigger (but you'd only want >to do this if there is only a small difference in size -- otherwise you >could be wasting valuable space) > > > That brings up another question I've been wondering about... Maxtor is sending me a replacement drive because the one I bought is defective (Windows was marking bad sectors everytime I'd boot up and at this point I can't even get to Win98). There's software that comes with the drive that says that it will copy all of one hd to another but I'm wondering if I should do that. Will it copy corrupted files? Will it copy data on from bad sectors in such a way that they will show up on the new hd as bad? I suppose I should try it and see what happens. I can always low-level format it - that only takes about 16 hours on this 60 gig hd. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030606/1d53a2cc/attachment.html From norshire at attbi.com Fri Jun 6 12:49:38 2003 From: norshire at attbi.com (Brian Thompson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re-installing LILO | Access to cd-rom In-Reply-To: <3EE0A089.2010801@tc.umn.edu> References: <3EE0A089.2010801@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <200306061249.38761.norshire@attbi.com> www.ranish.com It's a partition manager/boot loader that you can run from windows. Install it to the boot sector in order to allow booting Mandrake again - I believe it allows booting from slave drives. On Friday 06 June 2003 09:09 am, Rodney wrote: > My new Maxtor master hd is dying. A new one is coming in the mail and > "oh joy!" I get to 1) save data to the slave drive 2)ground myself and > swap hd 3)format hd and install Win98 and all drivers and software and > updates (THAT is a PAIN in the ass!). The problem is that when I do > that I'll lose LILO and therefore access to the slave drive/Linux. I've > gone thru this recently (about a month ago) after installing the new hd > and wound up reinstalling Linux on the slave drive because I didn't know > how to just re-do the LILO part of the Mandrake 9.1 install. > Any ideas on how I can 're-install' (?) LILO after the WIN98 install? > Btw is LILO the best of boot managers? > > A second question.... > When I try to access a data cd by clicking on /mnt/cdrom thru Konqueror > I get this message: "file:/mnt/cdrom doesn't seem to exist anymore". > The cd is spinning and you get the sense that things are going to happen > but instead that message comes up. I get a similar message when I put a > music cd in and fire up KsCD I get "Unable to enter file:/mnt/cdrom. You > do not have access rights to this location". What do I need to do to > give all apps and users access to the cd-rom? > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tsinks at isd.net Fri Jun 6 14:54:20 2003 From: tsinks at isd.net (Tim Sinks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mozilla Message-ID: <005d01c32c65$6f21a1e0$0300000a@net.tsinks> My mozilla browser has become damaged and is missing pieces from places like the chrome directory, etc. This was a standard set up for the browser in RedHat 9.0 for Gnome. Somewhere between updating the kernel, running the up2date package for updates and errata fixes, and today something happened to mozilla. I've tried using the add/remove and it doesn't seem to work very well. Any ideas on the easiest way to fix the browser? Thanks, Tim Sinks _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bradyh at bitstream.net Fri Jun 6 15:43:45 2003 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] mozilla In-Reply-To: <005d01c32c65$6f21a1e0$0300000a@net.tsinks> References: <005d01c32c65$6f21a1e0$0300000a@net.tsinks> Message-ID: <1054932225.31310.160.camel@localhost.localdomain> If you don't necessarily need everything in Mozilla you might try installing MozillaFirebird: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firebird/releases/0.6/MozillaFirebird-0.6-i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.gz It's pretty simple really...download it, extract it (I put mine in /usr/local/bin) and create a link to the executable from wherever you want to run it from. Not quite as automatic as up2date but it's easy to tell where everything is. This is the program that will supposedly replace "Mozilla" as the "Mozilla browser" in a couple releases. Brady > My mozilla browser has become damaged and is missing pieces from places like > the chrome directory, etc. This was a standard set up for the browser in > RedHat 9.0 for Gnome. Somewhere between updating the kernel, running the > up2date package for updates and errata fixes, and today something happened > to mozilla. I've tried using the add/remove and it doesn't seem to work very > well. > Any ideas on the easiest way to fix the browser? > > Thanks, > Tim Sinks > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Fri Jun 6 15:49:58 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] TCLUG meeting postponed Message-ID: <20030606204958.GB16843@fandre.com> Due to a scheduling conflict, there will be no TCLUG meeting on June 7th. Instead it will be on June 14th. Next TCLUG Meeting When: Saturday, June 14th, 2003, noon - 2pm Topic: Upstream Software (http://www.upstreamsoft.com), will be talking about their EDI software which uses Linux RedHat technology. Where: University of Minnesota Electrical Engineering/Computer Science Building Room EE-CS 3-180 MAP here: http://onestop.umn.edu/Maps/EECSci/index.html Hope to see you there! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Fri Jun 6 15:49:58 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] TCLUG meeting postponed Message-ID: <20030606204958.GB16843@fandre.com> Due to a scheduling conflict, there will be no TCLUG meeting on June 7th. Instead it will be on June 14th. Next TCLUG Meeting When: Saturday, June 14th, 2003, noon - 2pm Topic: Upstream Software (http://www.upstreamsoft.com), will be talking about their EDI software which uses Linux RedHat technology. Where: University of Minnesota Electrical Engineering/Computer Science Building Room EE-CS 3-180 MAP here: http://onestop.umn.edu/Maps/EECSci/index.html Hope to see you there! _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Fri Jun 6 19:36:37 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slackware install hang Message-ID: <20030606193637.1bb5fa6a.sfertch@real-time.com> I'm trying to get Slackware installed on my desktop. I get to the part where it's checking for USB 2.0 support, then it just hangs. Hardware specs: MSI 845pe Max motherboard P-4 2.53 GHz 1 GB ram DDR 80 GB WD HDD w/8 MB cache ram G-force 4 ti4xxx video card I'm at a loss for what can be causing it. It installed fine on my P2-266 desktop at work, so it's not the cd. Ideas thoughts? Last line shown: ehci-hcd.c: USB 2.0 support enabled, EHCI rev 1.0 Thanks. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Fri Jun 6 19:45:05 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slackware install hang In-Reply-To: <20030606193637.1bb5fa6a.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20030606193637.1bb5fa6a.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030606194505.568bebd5.sfertch@real-time.com> On Fri, 6 Jun 2003 19:36:37 -0500 Shawn wrote: > I'm trying to get Slackware installed on my desktop. I get to the > part where it's checking for USB 2.0 support, then it just hangs. > > Hardware specs: > MSI 845pe Max motherboard > P-4 2.53 GHz > 1 GB ram DDR > 80 GB WD HDD w/8 MB cache ram > G-force 4 ti4xxx video card > > I'm at a loss for what can be causing it. It installed fine on my > P2-266 desktop at work, so it's not the cd. Ideas thoughts? > > Last line shown: > > ehci-hcd.c: USB 2.0 support enabled, EHCI rev 1.0 > > Thanks. > Forgot to mention this is Slack 9.0.. Sorry. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Fri Jun 6 20:04:16 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slackware install hang In-Reply-To: <20030606193637.1bb5fa6a.sfertch@real-time.com>; from sfertch@real-time.com on Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 07:36:37PM -0500 References: <20030606193637.1bb5fa6a.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030606200416.A5579@thinkunix.net> do you need usb support? if not try disabling in BIOS. what kernel are you booting? bare.i (the default?) you might try another kernel, although a quick look in the /cdrom/kernels directory doesn't show anything specific for usb for slack 9.0 Shawn wrote: > I'm trying to get Slackware installed on my desktop. I get to the part where it's checking for USB 2.0 support, then it just hangs. > > Last line shown: > ehci-hcd.c: USB 2.0 support enabled, EHCI rev 1.0 -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Fri Jun 6 20:15:26 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slackware install hang In-Reply-To: <20030606200416.A5579@thinkunix.net> References: <20030606193637.1bb5fa6a.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030606200416.A5579@thinkunix.net> Message-ID: <20030606201526.6a295c70.sfertch@real-time.com> On Fri, 6 Jun 2003 20:04:16 -0500 Scot Jenkins wrote: > do you need usb support? if not try disabling in BIOS. > what kernel are you booting? bare.i (the default?) you might try > another kernel, although a quick look in the /cdrom/kernels directory > doesn't show anything specific for usb for slack 9.0 > No, usb support not needed now. But would be nice for future devices such as flightstick, camera, etc. I thought of disabling the USB support right after the message was sent. After disabling it, it works. Was booting with the bare.i kernel. Wonder why it was locking up? USB 2.0 imcompatibility maybe? -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Fri Jun 6 20:23:52 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Slackware install hang In-Reply-To: <20030606201526.6a295c70.sfertch@real-time.com>; from sfertch@real-time.com on Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 08:15:26PM -0500 References: <20030606193637.1bb5fa6a.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030606200416.A5579@thinkunix.net> <20030606201526.6a295c70.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030606202352.C5579@thinkunix.net> once you get it installed, try recompiling the kernel. maybe there's a specific usb option that your box requires that's not in the default kernel. I've never messed with usb under linux so I can't speculate that it might/might not be. or try 2.4.21-rc4 and see if that fixes it. Shawn wrote: > I thought of disabling the USB support right after the message was sent. After disabling it, it works. Was booting with the bare.i kernel. Wonder why it was locking up? USB 2.0 imcompatibility maybe? -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From STEVEWABC at netscape.net Fri Jun 6 21:34:12 2003 From: STEVEWABC at netscape.net (STEVEWABC@netscape.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Killing Linux - Dvorak article Message-ID: <45FA3698.2A7D38A2.026842C8@netscape.net> I'm A nebee here this is my first post and all I will say about this is I see no SCO I here no SCO.. F SCO ... Thats all!!! I will stay with liux for it blows the hell out of MS ...Full user here MS FREE my hole office 13 systems on Linux it ROCKS ...One bad egg I say kill it!!! tanner@real-time.com wrote: >Killing Linux >http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,1115156,00.asp > >So, I read this article. His comment that I (being part of the Linux community) >have my head in the sand just doesn't sit right with me. > >His article has lots of gloom and doom, but like most people it's "a complaint". >With no recommendation on what you should/can do. > >So, I post here. > >What can a lowly, linux user do to help fight this SCO thing? Best I can think >of is just keep moving forward, evangelizing linux. > >If SCO wins, then what? > >Suddenly Linux is a crappy operating system? > >Do a 180 and tell everyone you convinced to try like to stop using it? > >Comments? > >-- >Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 >http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 >http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! >Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bradyh at bitstream.net Fri Jun 6 22:20:27 2003 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Killing Linux - Dvorak article In-Reply-To: <45FA3698.2A7D38A2.026842C8@netscape.net> References: <45FA3698.2A7D38A2.026842C8@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1054956026.1361.945.camel@orlando> Indubitably... > I'm A nebee here this is my first post and all I will say about this is I see no SCO I here no SCO.. F SCO ... Thats all!!! I will stay with liux for it blows the hell out of MS ...Full user here MS FREE my hole office 13 systems on Linux it ROCKS ...One bad egg I say kill it!!! > > > tanner@real-time.com wrote: > > >Killing Linux > >http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,1115156,00.asp > > > >So, I read this article. His comment that I (being part of the Linux community) > >have my head in the sand just doesn't sit right with me. > > > >His article has lots of gloom and doom, but like most people it's "a complaint". > >With no recommendation on what you should/can do. > > > >So, I post here. > > > >What can a lowly, linux user do to help fight this SCO thing? Best I can think > >of is just keep moving forward, evangelizing linux. > > > >If SCO wins, then what? > > > >Suddenly Linux is a crappy operating system? > > > >Do a 180 and tell everyone you convinced to try like to stop using it? > > > >Comments? > > > >-- > >Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > >http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > >http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! > >Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 > > > >_______________________________________________ > >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. > Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! > http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 > > Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! > http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Fri Jun 6 23:06:23 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CD-record Message-ID: <20030606230623.06122c06.sfertch@real-time.com> I'm learning how to burn a cd with cd-record. I'm following this page: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/CD-Writing-HOWTO-3.html#ss3.1 However, I'm either forgetting an option, or doing something wrong because it's not mounting after creation on linux box: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom, or too many mounted file systems (could this be the IDE device where you in fact use ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?) It's a Yamaha IDE cd-r/w, and I've got the scsi emulation loaded. Here's the steps that I took: # mkisofs -r -o cd_image cdfile/ After this was done, I could mount it in a loopback device and see the files desired to be burned: # mount -t iso9660 -o ro,loop=/dev/loop0 cd_image /cdrom After unmounting, I run cdrecord -scanbus and get the device info: scsibus0: 0,0,0 0) 'YAMAHA ' 'CRW2100E ' '1.0M' Removable CD-ROM Then, I create the cd: # cdrecord -v speed=8 dev=0,0,0 -data cd_image I don't recall seeing any error messages in the creation process. What am I doing wrong? Thanks. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Sat Jun 7 02:10:13 2003 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:10 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CD-record In-Reply-To: <20030606230623.06122c06.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20030606230623.06122c06.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030607071013.GH10300@iucha.net> On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 11:06:23PM -0500, Shawn wrote: > I'm learning how to burn a cd with cd-record. I'm following this page: > http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/CD-Writing-HOWTO-3.html#ss3.1 > > However, I'm either forgetting an option, or doing something wrong because it's not mounting after creation on linux box: > > mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom, > or too many mounted file systems > (could this be the IDE device where you in fact use > ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?) Please show the full mount command. Also show the result of ls -l /dev/cdrom Try to do the mount explicit. mount -r -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /cdrom If hdc does not work, try hdd or hdb. florin > It's a Yamaha IDE cd-r/w, and I've got the scsi emulation loaded. Here's the steps that I took: > > # mkisofs -r -o cd_image cdfile/ > > After this was done, I could mount it in a loopback device and see the files desired to be burned: > > # mount -t iso9660 -o ro,loop=/dev/loop0 cd_image /cdrom > > After unmounting, I run cdrecord -scanbus and get the device info: > > scsibus0: > 0,0,0 0) 'YAMAHA ' 'CRW2100E ' '1.0M' Removable CD-ROM > > Then, I create the cd: > > # cdrecord -v speed=8 dev=0,0,0 -data cd_image > > I don't recall seeing any error messages in the creation process. What am I doing wrong? Thanks. -- "NT is to UNIX what a doughnut is to a particle accelerator." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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First, the system: SGI 230L, PIII, 256M, 40G HD Redhat Linux 6.2 Enlightenment 15.x Gnome desktop The biggest problem is that the application fills the whole screen to prevent access to the Gnome desktop but enlightenment is providing the minimize/maximize buttons on any children window. If a user minimizes the window it is lost for the session since you can't get behind the main window to re-maximize it. My plan is to create a new theme based on CleanBig that simply removes those buttons (B1 & B2). While I'm at it I'm removing the ability to resize the pop up windows. No problem so far right? Somehow this messes up focus. The main window has a menu bar like any standard window-ed program. Before I start the modifications focus does not pull the main window to the front when it's menu bar is clicked on. Thus all the open pop-ups stay in front of the main window. After the modification any click to the main window pulls it to the front hiding (permanently) all the pop-ups. The really weird thing is that I'm only adding the modified theme to one user yet the change in focus affects all users from then on when using this application (could the Xdefaults be getting modified?). Here's what I did: 1) Duplicate /usr/shared/enlightenment/themes/CleanBig 2) Modify /usr/shared/enlightenment/themes/CleanBigNew/borders.cfg to remove B1 & B2 3) Modify /home/auser/.gnome/session to start enlightenment with new theme Any help or requests for more info? Thanks, John _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Tue Jun 3 11:14:51 2003 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (webmaster@mn-linux.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A new classified ad at TCLUG Classifieds Message-ID: <200306031614.h53GEpl14455@crusader.real-time.com> A new TCLUG classified ad at was placed Tue Jun 3 11:14:51 2003. 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Name: Clay Fandre Ad: This is a test message to test out the new \ To view this and other ads at TCLUG Classifieds, please visit: http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From TonyKelleran at ags-us.com Thu Jun 5 08:45:26 2003 From: TonyKelleran at ags-us.com (TonyKelleran@ags-us.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Outlook back ends (yeah, I know) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030605/885a5daa/attachment.html From TonyKelleran at ags-us.com Fri Jun 6 07:58:02 2003 From: TonyKelleran at ags-us.com (TonyKelleran@ags-us.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mobo / Processor Testing Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030606/188bdd3e/attachment.htm From sfertch at real-time.com Sat Jun 7 08:37:05 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CD-record In-Reply-To: <20030607071013.GH10300@iucha.net> References: <20030606230623.06122c06.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030607071013.GH10300@iucha.net> Message-ID: <20030607083705.49fe0f61.sfertch@real-time.com> On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 02:10:13 -0500 florin@iucha.net (Florin Iucha) wrote: > Please show the full mount command. Also show the result of > ls -l /dev/cdrom > > Try to do the mount explicit. > mount -r -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /cdrom > > If hdc does not work, try hdd or hdb. > The cdrom is device /dev/hdd, I can mount other cd's just fine. As requested: root@wormy:~# mount /mnt/cdrom mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom, or too many mounted file systems (could this be the IDE device where you in fact use ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?) root@wormy:~# grep cdrom /etc/fstab /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom iso9660 noauto,user,rx 0 0 root@wormy:~# ls -l /dev/cdrom lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Apr 1 15:18 /dev/cdrom -> /dev/hdd root@wormy:~# mount -r -t iso9660 /dev/hdd /mnt/cdrom mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdd, or too many mounted file systems (could this be the IDE device where you in fact use ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?) I don't believe it's an issue in mounting per se. I believe I created a coaster, but can't figure out why since I was following the How-to, and reading the man page on cd-record while doing so. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Sat Jun 7 08:44:54 2003 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CD-record In-Reply-To: <20030607083705.49fe0f61.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20030606230623.06122c06.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030607071013.GH10300@iucha.net> <20030607083705.49fe0f61.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030607134454.GJ10300@iucha.net> On Sat, Jun 07, 2003 at 08:37:05AM -0500, Shawn wrote: > On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 02:10:13 -0500 > florin@iucha.net (Florin Iucha) wrote: > > > Please show the full mount command. Also show the result of > > ls -l /dev/cdrom > > > > Try to do the mount explicit. > > mount -r -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /cdrom > > > > If hdc does not work, try hdd or hdb. > > > The cdrom is device /dev/hdd, I can mount other cd's just fine. Aha. > As requested: > > root@wormy:~# mount /mnt/cdrom > mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom, > or too many mounted file systems > (could this be the IDE device where you in fact use > ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?) > root@wormy:~# grep cdrom /etc/fstab > /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom iso9660 noauto,user,rx 0 0 > root@wormy:~# ls -l /dev/cdrom > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Apr 1 15:18 /dev/cdrom -> /dev/hdd > root@wormy:~# mount -r -t iso9660 /dev/hdd /mnt/cdrom > mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdd, > or too many mounted file systems > (could this be the IDE device where you in fact use > ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?) > > I don't believe it's an issue in mounting per se. I believe I created a coaster, but can't figure out why since I was following the How-to, and reading the man page on cd-record while doing so. Hmmm... Try to burn at a lower speed. Maybe the media is of poor quality, maybe the burned and the media don't like each other. Are you trying to mount the cd in the burner or in another cd-rom? You can try to look in the syslog for errors. After you attempt a mount, do a dmesg | less and look for bunches of errors from the IDE layer. florin -- "NT is to UNIX what a doughnut is to a particle accelerator." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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After you attempt a > mount, do a dmesg | less and look for bunches of errors from the IDE > layer. > I tried it at a speed of 2 as well, and same thing. Media and burner worked fine under Windows. I'm trying to mount it in the same drive as it was created. Looking at dmesg provides this information: Kernel command line: auto BOOT_IMAGE=Linux ro root=301 hdd=ide-scsi ide_setup: hdd=ide-scsi Initializing CPU#0 Detected 332.590 MHz processor. Console: colour dummy device 80x25 Calibrating delay loop... 663.55 BogoMIPS Memory: 126572k/131072k available (1733k kernel code, 4100k reserved, 568k data, 112k init, 0k highmem) hda: QUANTUM FIREBALL EX6.4A, ATA DISK drive hdb: IOMEGA ZIP 250 ATAPI, ATAPI FLOPPY drive hdc: WDC WD450AA, ATA DISK drive hdd: YAMAHA CRW2100E, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive scsi0 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices Vendor: YAMAHA Model: CRW2100E Rev: 1.0M Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 40x/40x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.12 ide-scsi: hdd: unsupported command in request queue (0) end_request: I/O error, dev 16:40 (hdd), sector 64 isofs_read_super: bread failed, dev=16:40, iso_blknum=16, block=32 ISO 9660 Extensions: RRIP_1991A ide-scsi: hdd: unsupported command in request queue (0) end_request: I/O error, dev 16:40 (hdd), sector 64 isofs_read_super: bread failed, dev=16:40, iso_blknum=16, block=32 ide-scsi: hdd: unsupported command in request queue (0) end_request: I/O error, dev 16:40 (hdd), sector 64 isofs_read_super: bread failed, dev=16:40, iso_blknum=16, block=32 ide-scsi: hdd: unsupported command in request queue (0) end_request: I/O error, dev 16:40 (hdd), sector 64 isofs_read_super: bread failed, dev=16:40, iso_blknum=16, block=32 ide-scsi: hdd: unsupported command in request queue (0) end_request: I/O error, dev 16:40 (hdd), sector 64 isofs_read_super: bread failed, dev=16:40, iso_blknum=16, block=32 ide-scsi: hdd: unsupported command in request queue (0) end_request: I/O error, dev 16:40 (hdd), sector 64 isofs_read_super: bread failed, dev=16:40, iso_blknum=16, block=32 Thought I'd throw out all related info on the system as well. It's running Slackware 8.1, btw. I had the drive installed in a different machine, and could create cd's using RH 7.x and Xcdroast. I just downloaded Xcdroast package for Slack and am going to install and see if it works that way. But, I'd like to get the command line working as I plan on scripting it. Just not sure if it's my limited knowledge on this, or something else. Thanks. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dsherman at real-time.com Sat Jun 7 09:11:44 2003 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mobo / Processor Testing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3EE1F2A0.3090300@real-time.com> TonyKelleran@ags-us.com wrote: > > I realize this is off topic, but does anyone know of a shop that can > test to see if a mobo and/or processor is bad? I realize I could do > this by building a system with it but I was hoping there would be some > business in town that could hook it up to some fancy testing devices > they have. I don't want to part with the board until I know for sure it > is bad. Any decent PC shop could pop your mobo or CPU into one of their "test boxes" and validate that it has basic functionality (ability to POST, boot, etc.). I've had good experience with GeekSquad, in Mpls. I would guess that PC Rennaissance could do it, and they have several stores around the cities. -- Dave Sherman MCSE, MCSA, CCNA "Windows NT was supposed to hit Unix hard (it did - like a bug hitting a windshield)...." - Andrew Grygus, aaxnet.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Sat Jun 7 09:30:08 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CD-record In-Reply-To: <20030607090358.3e5a6753.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20030606230623.06122c06.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030607071013.GH10300@iucha.net> <20030607083705.49fe0f61.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030607134454.GJ10300@iucha.net> <20030607090358.3e5a6753.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030607093008.625282fb.sfertch@real-time.com> On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 09:03:58 -0500 Shawn wrote: > Thought I'd throw out all related info on the system as well. It's > running Slackware 8.1, btw. I had the drive installed in a different > machine, and could create cd's using RH 7.x and Xcdroast. I just > downloaded Xcdroast package for Slack and am going to install and see > if it works that way. But, I'd like to get the command line working > as I plan on scripting it. Just not sure if it's my limited knowledge > on this, or something else. > Well, after trying to create a cd with xcdroast, it gives the same message when I try to mount it: root@wormy:~# mount /mnt/cdrom mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom, or too many mounted file systems (could this be the IDE device where you in fact use ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?) No errors found in the xcdroast log either. Said everything was created successfully. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nate at refried.org Sat Jun 7 11:18:50 2003 From: nate at refried.org (nate@refried.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CD-record In-Reply-To: <20030607090358.3e5a6753.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20030606230623.06122c06.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030607071013.GH10300@iucha.net> <20030607083705.49fe0f61.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030607134454.GJ10300@iucha.net> <20030607090358.3e5a6753.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030607161850.GA30054@refried.org> On Sat, Jun 07, 2003 at 09:03:58AM -0500, Shawn wrote: > hdd: YAMAHA CRW2100E, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive > > scsi0 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices > Vendor: YAMAHA Model: CRW2100E Rev: 1.0M > Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 > sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 40x/40x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray I *think* that when you're using ide-scsi emulation that you need to use the SCSI device name, i.e. /dev/sr0. Try mounting that device instead. Nate _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Sat Jun 7 11:40:41 2003 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:11 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CD-record In-Reply-To: <20030607161850.GA30054@refried.org> References: <20030606230623.06122c06.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030607071013.GH10300@iucha.net> <20030607083705.49fe0f61.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030607134454.GJ10300@iucha.net> <20030607090358.3e5a6753.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030607161850.GA30054@refried.org> Message-ID: <20030607164041.GM10300@iucha.net> On Sat, Jun 07, 2003 at 11:18:50AM -0500, nate@refried.org wrote: > On Sat, Jun 07, 2003 at 09:03:58AM -0500, Shawn wrote: > > hdd: YAMAHA CRW2100E, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive > > > > scsi0 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices > > Vendor: YAMAHA Model: CRW2100E Rev: 1.0M > > Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > > Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 > > sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 40x/40x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray > > I *think* that when you're using ide-scsi emulation that you need to use > the SCSI device name, i.e. /dev/sr0. Try mounting that device instead. Nope. He uses ide-scsi but he can mount _other_ cds just fine. florin -- "NT is to UNIX what a doughnut is to a particle accelerator." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It is free and has been around longer than either of them. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.com Sat Jun 7 11:45:22 2003 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CD-record In-Reply-To: <20030606230623.06122c06.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20030606230623.06122c06.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1055004322.10616.1.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> You could try: # cdrecord -v speed=8 dev=0,0,0 driveropts=burnfree cdimage.iso On Fri, 2003-06-06 at 23:06, Shawn wrote: > I'm learning how to burn a cd with cd-record. I'm following this page: > http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/CD-Writing-HOWTO-3.html#ss3.1 > > However, I'm either forgetting an option, or doing something wrong because it's not mounting after creation on linux box: > > mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom, > or too many mounted file systems > (could this be the IDE device where you in fact use > ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?) > > It's a Yamaha IDE cd-r/w, and I've got the scsi emulation loaded. Here's the steps that I took: > > # mkisofs -r -o cd_image cdfile/ > > After this was done, I could mount it in a loopback device and see the files desired to be burned: > > # mount -t iso9660 -o ro,loop=/dev/loop0 cd_image /cdrom > > After unmounting, I run cdrecord -scanbus and get the device info: > > scsibus0: > 0,0,0 0) 'YAMAHA ' 'CRW2100E ' '1.0M' Removable CD-ROM > > Then, I create the cd: > > # cdrecord -v speed=8 dev=0,0,0 -data cd_image > > I don't recall seeing any error messages in the creation process. What am I doing wrong? Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Sat Jun 7 11:53:09 2003 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Software Management Tools Ximian RedCarpet Enterprise Vs RedHat Network Enterprise References: <2DE78F33FFE0D3118C0200508B94F9CA1DA37537@uswaumsx08medge.med.ge.com> <006e01c32d14$1746fd30$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <3EE21875.9040607@structural-wood.com> I just read an interview with Nat Friedman of Ximian who stated it was a priority of Ximian to stay in sync with the Redhat Network update service, so it is entirely possible (according to the interview) to use both services. Here's a link to the interview http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=3705&page=1 David Phillips wrote: > Sadanapalli, Pradeep Kumar (MED, TCS) writes: > >>I am curious to know the PROs and CONs or Advantages and Disadvantages >>of the two Software Management Tools in linux Ximian RedCarpet >>Enterprise and RedHat Network Enterprise . Can anyone suggest me which >>is the best to use and why? Comparisons such as Cost, Features, Ease >>of Use, Speed, etc.... > > > Quite likely, Debian is better than both. It is free and has been around > longer than either of them. > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Sat Jun 7 15:41:03 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mobo / Processor Testing In-Reply-To: <3EE1F2A0.3090300@real-time.com> References: <3EE1F2A0.3090300@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030607204103.GC18553@autonomous.tv> You can always bring it over to the multi-geek garage sale and we can take a look at it for you :) http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/forsale/ On Sat, Jun 07, 2003 at 09:11:44AM -0500, Dave Sherman wrote: >TonyKelleran@ags-us.com wrote: >> >>I realize this is off topic, but does anyone know of a shop that can >>test to see if a mobo and/or processor is bad? I realize I could do >>this by building a system with it but I was hoping there would be some >>business in town that could hook it up to some fancy testing devices >>they have. I don't want to part with the board until I know for sure it >>is bad. > >Any decent PC shop could pop your mobo or CPU into one of their "test >boxes" and validate that it has basic functionality (ability to POST, >boot, etc.). I've had good experience with GeekSquad, in Mpls. I would >guess that PC Rennaissance could do it, and they have several stores >around the cities. > >-- >Dave Sherman >MCSE, MCSA, CCNA >"Windows NT was supposed to hit Unix hard (it did - like a bug hitting a >windshield)...." >- Andrew Grygus, aaxnet.com > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Try mounting that device > > instead. > > Nope. He uses ide-scsi but he can mount _other_ cds just fine. > I'm a dope.... I tried to mount Slack disk 4 in the cdrom and it gave me the same error. I switched the device to /dev/sr0 and was able to mount it. Must have been getting my machines mixed up. Haven't touched that server in almost two months.... Thanks for the help Florin and Nate. Owe you two a beer whenever I can get to a Beer Meeting. Fridays suck for me for having the beer meeting. My wife works and I get to babysit. =( Quick question on cdrecord, I mounted the first one I created in a Winders box, and it showed up with funky titles such as "07___ENT.MP3" I'm assuming that's because I didn't use the -J switch for Joliet? The one I created in xcdroast mounted fine and proper in regards to label on the Winders machine. Finally, is there a better way to create CD's all in one line by piping mkisofs to cdrecord? An example would be very beneficial. Thanks again! -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Sat Jun 7 17:18:09 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CD-record In-Reply-To: <20030607164408.33844470.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20030606230623.06122c06.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030607071013.GH10300@iucha.net> <20030607083705.49fe0f61.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030607134454.GJ10300@iucha.net> <20030607090358.3e5a6753.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030607161850.GA30054@refried.org> <20030607164041.GM10300@iucha.net> <20030607164408.33844470.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030607221809.GE18553@autonomous.tv> On Sat, Jun 07, 2003 at 04:44:08PM -0500, Shawn wrote: >On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 11:40:41 -0500 > Finally, is there a better way to create CD's all in one line by piping mkisofs to cdrecord? An example would be very beneficial. > mkisofs -R /path/to/garbage/ | cdrecord dev=0,0,0 -v speed=8 - this assume your burner is really at 0,0,0 and you are using an 8 speed burner. The trailing '-' is what takes the data from stdin. hth -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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WIN1256 ? ? ? TCVN ? ? ? WIN874 # ? ? __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Sat Jun 7 20:14:06 2003 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Outlook back ends (yeah, I know) In-Reply-To: <20030607170003.5093.62429.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: From: TonyKelleran@ags-us.com Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 08:45:26 -0500
Chris, how many users will your client have?

tclug-list-admin@mn-linux.org wrote on 06/04/2003 09:02:39 PM:

> I have a client who has certain needs that point to
> using Outlook. The trouble is that he and I do not want
> to pay for Windows Server 2003, Exchange Server 2000, a
> server to run them and people to staff it.
The client expects to have a total of less than ten clients. Chris _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Sat Jun 7 21:06:03 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Outlook back ends (yeah, I know) References: Message-ID: <002001c32d62$83fe4570$0201a8c0@brinstar> Chris Schumann writes: > The client expects to have a total of less than ten clients. What specific needs do they have that require Outlook? We use Exchange at work for a company not much larger than that. Personally, I use POP3 to check my mail, but everyone else seems to like Outlook. It seems that people like it for three main reasons: 1) Server side mail storage 2) Shared address book 3) Calendar functions Service side mail can be handled with IMAP. qmail and Courier IMAP work very well together. Shared address book can be accomplished through a variety of methods. LDAP is a widely supported method that works with Microsoft clients and some open source including Mozilla Mail. Calendar and other groupware functions are more difficult to handle, but shouldn't necessarily be part of the email client. Some good web based software such as phpGroupWare might work just as well. On the flip side, I did some searching, but apparently very few companies do Exchange hosting. Here is one company that I did find: http://www.intermedia.net/hosting/exchange/ Microsoft also has a list of Gold Certified Partners for Hosted Exchange: http://www.microsoft.com/serviceproviders/certification/hostedexchange.asp -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Sat Jun 7 21:54:57 2003 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CD-record In-Reply-To: <20030607164408.33844470.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20030606230623.06122c06.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030607071013.GH10300@iucha.net> <20030607083705.49fe0f61.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030607134454.GJ10300@iucha.net> <20030607090358.3e5a6753.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030607161850.GA30054@refried.org> <20030607164041.GM10300@iucha.net> <20030607164408.33844470.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030608025457.GR10300@iucha.net> On Sat, Jun 07, 2003 at 04:44:08PM -0500, Shawn wrote: > I'm a dope.... I tried to mount Slack disk 4 in the cdrom and it gave me the same error. I switched the device to /dev/sr0 and was able to mount it. Must have been getting my machines mixed up. Haven't touched that server in almost two months.... Thanks for the help Florin and Nate. Owe you two a beer whenever I can get to a Beer Meeting. Fridays suck for me for having the beer meeting. My wife works and I get to babysit. =( You're most welcome. > Quick question on cdrecord, I mounted the first one I created in a Winders box, and it showed up with funky titles such as "07___ENT.MP3" I'm assuming that's because I didn't use the -J switch for Joliet? The one I created in xcdroast mounted fine and proper in regards to label on the Winders machine. Here is my mkiso script: mkisofs -l -o $2.iso -r -T -v -P $USER -p $USER -J -hide-rr-moved -hide-joliet-trans-tbl -V $3 $1 And I am using it like ~/bin/myiso > Finally, is there a better way to create CD's all in one line by piping mkisofs to cdrecord? An example would be very beneficial. Only if your machine is fast enough. I don't bother. BTW: for a while, until you get confidence in your burner, I do suggest creating MD5SUMs of files you burn and verify them on another cd reader. I do that with the most important files and with the backups, of course. Cheers, florin -- "NT is to UNIX what a doughnut is to a particle accelerator." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030607/c8cefe82/attachment.pgp From mcolivier at earthlink.net Sat Jun 7 12:31:03 2003 From: mcolivier at earthlink.net (Marc Olivier) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:12 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] zip drive initialization failure Message-ID: <200306071231.03716.mcolivier@earthlink.net> Hello. I'm running a SuSE 8.1 box w/AMD Duron processor. I have zip 100 parallel port drive attached and running with disk inside. I've run modprobe imm, and modprobe vfat, and added the following to /etc/fstab: /dev/sda4 /mnt/zip100.0 vfat noauto,user, 0 0 I then typed mount /dev/sda4 /mnt/zip100.0 I get error message, No medium found. I've typed mount /mnt/zip100.0; I get the same message. I checked my system settings, and note that the zip drive is listed as a SCSI device. I don't know if I need to change this, or how to change it if I do. I do have an icon that I didn't have before I tried to set things up, and it is called /mnt/zip100.0, but when I click on it to mount it I get the same error message, No medium found. I went to Iomega.com and downloaded some Linux driver software and untarred it, but it doesn't seem to be working at all. What am I not doing correctly? I have gotten replies from some members about ppa.o kernel module, but when I tried modprobe ppa, I got a really bizarre error message. Another source said that this is because ppa/ppa.o is an outdated module and my version of Linux doesn't use this module, nor was it necessary to get the zip drive to work. Please help. One more thing, I have a CD-RW drive, which works under windows to read and burn disks, but none of the SuSE utilities works for burning; I can only play music CDs and read stuff of the Linux disks. What's up with that? Marc _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Sun Jun 8 00:52:21 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] zip drive initialization failure In-Reply-To: <200306071231.03716.mcolivier@earthlink.net> References: <200306071231.03716.mcolivier@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20030608005221.52ff1ce3.sfertch@real-time.com> On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 12:31:03 -0500 Marc Olivier wrote: > Hello. > I'm running a SuSE 8.1 box w/AMD Duron processor. I have zip 100 > parallel port drive attached and running with disk inside. I've run > modprobe imm, and modprobe vfat, and added the following to > /etc/fstab:/dev/sda4 /mnt/zip100.0 vfat noauto,user, 0 0 > > I then typed > mount /dev/sda4 /mnt/zip100.0 > > I get error message, > No medium found. > > I've typed mount /mnt/zip100.0; I get the same message. > I can't recall exactly, but I think there's something to do with initializing or unlocking the Zip disks. It's been so long since I played with any new disks that I don't recall. Don't remember if you said you referenced this, or not. But worth reading over again: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/mini/ZIP-Drive.html > > One more thing, I have a CD-RW drive, which works under windows to > read and burn disks, but none of the SuSE utilities works for burning; > I can only play music CDs and read stuff of the Linux disks. What's up > with that? > I just went through this over the past couple of days. Best place is to start here: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/CD-Writing-HOWTO.html Make sure that you have all of the CD writing packages installed. Typically, it's mkisofs and cdrecord. Follow through the steps in the How-To is the best thing I can say. Look at Xcdroast as well. It's a GUI utility for making cd's. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sun Jun 8 01:19:10 2003 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] zip drive initialization failure In-Reply-To: <200306071231.03716.mcolivier@earthlink.net> References: <200306071231.03716.mcolivier@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1055053150.1203.4446.camel@3po.thodt.net> On Sat, 2003-06-07 at 12:31, Marc Olivier wrote: > Hello. > I'm running a SuSE 8.1 box w/AMD Duron processor. I have zip 100 parallel port > drive attached and running with disk inside. I've run modprobe imm, and > modprobe vfat, and added the following to /etc/fstab: > /dev/sda4 /mnt/zip100.0 vfat noauto,user, 0 0 > > I then typed > mount /dev/sda4 /mnt/zip100.0 > > I get error message, > No medium found. Just for grins, can you show us your scsi device list? Run `cat /proc/scsi/scsi' Other than that, I know that mount can be a somewhat finicky program in certain situations. You might want to avoid having the `.0' in your mount point, and it looks like there's an extra comma in your options field that you could remove. Change noauto,user, to noauto,user Not sure if that would affect anything, but it can't hurt to try. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ ILOVEYOU, Linux. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It seems that > people like it for three main reasons: > > 1) Server side mail storage > 2) Shared address book > 3) Calendar functions The points I listed earlier in this thread: - Collaborative calendaring from anywhere - Shared contacts - Sync schedule and contacts to PDA - Windows client I'd now add server storage of e-mail and another big item: low maintenance costs. They know they will have to pay for something. Either they pay someone to host some service and manage it, or they pay to have a server and someone to manage it. With ten clients, it's not something that's going to be cost-effective for me to set up (Exchange, Kolab, or otherwise) or manage, and I don't think I want to get into that business, especially considering the link below offers it for $15.95 for one user per month. > http://www.intermedia.net/hosting/exchange/ They look like a top-notch company and have prices right there. Impressive. Two local companies that offer the service (also discussed earlier in the thread) are USInternet and Agiliti. Thanks for the info, though, Chris _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Sun Jun 8 09:43:07 2003 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] zip drive initialization failure In-Reply-To: <200306071231.03716.mcolivier@earthlink.net> References: <200306071231.03716.mcolivier@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200306080943.07295.jack@jacku.com> On Saturday 07 June 2003 12:31 pm, Marc Olivier wrote: > One more thing, I have a CD-RW drive, which works under windows to read and > burn disks, but none of the SuSE utilities works for burning; I can only > play music CDs and read stuff of the Linux disks. What's up with that? > > Marc > Is this an IDE CD-RW? If so you'll need to load the ide-scsi module. That should be outlined in the How-To that sombody referenced. Once that's loaded you should be fine. Jack Local SuSE Bigot -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Sun Jun 8 19:16:34 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] More people running SuSE? Just more problems running SuSE? Both? Message-ID: <200306081916.34794@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Seems like an increase in the number of postings regarding issues with SuSE. Are there more people running SuSE now? Just more problems because people run SuSE? :-P Both? In the past SuSE has been the distant cousin on tclug. If more members are running SuSE, I want to make sure we have the resources for SuSE like we do for Redhat and Debian (ie local mirror, apt repo, etc). -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hpenner at acm.org Sun Jun 8 20:33:04 2003 From: hpenner at acm.org (Harry Penner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Outlook back ends (yeah, I know) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1055122162.11011.4.camel@localhost> My company used USA.net for a while before we got too big for outsourced email to be cost-effective. They had excellent service, decent pricing and a killer web front end. We used the straight POP3/IMAP service but they have an outsourced Exchange offering too. Worth a look at least. http://www.usa.net -hp3 On Sun, 2003-06-08 at 01:38, Chris Schumann wrote: > > From: "David Phillips" > > Chris Schumann writes: > > > The client expects to have a total of less than ten clients. > > > > What specific needs do they have that require Outlook? We use Exchange at > > work for a company not much larger than that. Personally, I use POP3 to > > check my mail, but everyone else seems to like Outlook. It seems that > > people like it for three main reasons: > > > > 1) Server side mail storage > > 2) Shared address book > > 3) Calendar functions > > The points I listed earlier in this thread: > - Collaborative calendaring from anywhere > - Shared contacts > - Sync schedule and contacts to PDA > - Windows client > > I'd now add server storage of e-mail and another big item: low maintenance > costs. They know they will have to pay for something. Either they pay > someone to host some service and manage it, or they pay to have a server and > someone to manage it. > > With ten clients, it's not something that's going to be cost-effective for > me to set up (Exchange, Kolab, or otherwise) or manage, and I don't think I > want to get into that business, especially considering the link below offers > it for $15.95 for one user per month. > > > http://www.intermedia.net/hosting/exchange/ > > They look like a top-notch company and have prices right there. Impressive. > Two local companies that offer the service (also discussed earlier in the > thread) are USInternet and Agiliti. > > Thanks for the info, though, > Chris > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Harry Penner _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hpenner at acm.org Sun Jun 8 20:33:06 2003 From: hpenner at acm.org (Harry Penner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Outlook back ends (yeah, I know) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1055122384.11011.10.camel@localhost> My company used USA.net for a while before we got too big for outsourced email to be cost-effective. They had excellent service, decent pricing and a killer web front end. We used the straight POP3/IMAP service but they have an outsourced Exchange offering too. Worth a look at least. http://www.usa.net -hp3 On Sun, 2003-06-08 at 01:38, Chris Schumann wrote: > > From: "David Phillips" > > Chris Schumann writes: > > > The client expects to have a total of less than ten clients. > > > > What specific needs do they have that require Outlook? We use Exchange at > > work for a company not much larger than that. Personally, I use POP3 to > > check my mail, but everyone else seems to like Outlook. It seems that > > people like it for three main reasons: > > > > 1) Server side mail storage > > 2) Shared address book > > 3) Calendar functions > > The points I listed earlier in this thread: > - Collaborative calendaring from anywhere > - Shared contacts > - Sync schedule and contacts to PDA > - Windows client > > I'd now add server storage of e-mail and another big item: low maintenance > costs. They know they will have to pay for something. Either they pay > someone to host some service and manage it, or they pay to have a server and > someone to manage it. > > With ten clients, it's not something that's going to be cost-effective for > me to set up (Exchange, Kolab, or otherwise) or manage, and I don't think I > want to get into that business, especially considering the link below offers > it for $15.95 for one user per month. > > > http://www.intermedia.net/hosting/exchange/ > > They look like a top-notch company and have prices right there. Impressive. > Two local companies that offer the service (also discussed earlier in the > thread) are USInternet and Agiliti. > > Thanks for the info, though, > Chris > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Harry Penner -- Harry Penner _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel at joelschneider.net Mon Jun 9 04:43:14 2003 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] installing postgresql on Debian and need your help In-Reply-To: <0BC22409.51934AF6.026842C8@netscape.net>; from STEVEWABC@netscape.net on Sat, Jun 07, 2003 at 08:30:43PM -0400 References: <0BC22409.51934AF6.026842C8@netscape.net> Message-ID: <20030609044314.B25093@joelschneider.net> On Sat, Jun 07, 2003 at 08:30:43PM -0400, STEVEWABC@netscape.net wrote: > Im trying to install postgresql on Debian and have some ? on the install can you all help? I dont no what this stuff is. > > 1. what character encoding should the database use by default? See PostgreSQL documentation: http://www.postgresql.org/docs/view.php?version=7.2&idoc=0&file=multibyte.html -- Joel Schneider joel@joelschneider.net Linux makes computing fun again. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com Mon Jun 9 08:09:46 2003 From: Dan.Lansing at AndersenCorp.com (Lansing, Dan) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] More people running SuSE? Just more problems running SuSE? Both? Message-ID: <0399641989D32043BED5793CCC8F5CD54D35C3@BPEXU1VM2.andersencorp.com> I think all the issues I have posted regarding is from inexperience and user error...as for more running SuSE...i don't know....i only know one person running SuSE...and he recently switched to slack..... -----Original Message----- From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 7:17 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: [TCLUG] More people running SuSE? Just more problems running SuSE? Both? Importance: High Seems like an increase in the number of postings regarding issues with SuSE. Are there more people running SuSE now? Just more problems because people run SuSE? :-P Both? In the past SuSE has been the distant cousin on tclug. If more members are running SuSE, I want to make sure we have the resources for SuSE like we do for Redhat and Debian (ie local mirror, apt repo, etc). -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From RWARE at INTERPLASTIC.COM Mon Jun 9 08:27:54 2003 From: RWARE at INTERPLASTIC.COM (RWARE@INTERPLASTIC.COM) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] More people running SuSE? Just more problems running SuSE? Both? Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF6237A8B@IPSERVER2> The people on the OS/390 list run it or Redhat almost exclusively and it sounds like Suse performs much better on the mainframe than Redhat. > -----Original Message----- > From: Lansing, Dan [mailto:Dan.Lansing@AndersenCorp.com] > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 8:10 AM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [TCLUG] More people running SuSE? Just more problems > running SuSE? Both? > > > I think all the issues I have posted regarding is from > inexperience and user error...as for more running SuSE...i > don't know....i only know one person running SuSE...and he > recently switched to slack..... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 7:17 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: [TCLUG] More people running SuSE? Just more problems > running SuSE? Both? > Importance: High > > Seems like an increase in the number of postings regarding > issues with SuSE. > > Are there more people running SuSE now? > > Just more problems because people run SuSE? :-P > > Both? > > In the past SuSE has been the distant cousin on tclug. If > more members are > running SuSE, I want to make sure we have the resources for > SuSE like we do > for Redhat and Debian (ie local mirror, apt repo, etc). > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Mon Jun 9 10:02:46 2003 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] More people running SuSE? Just more problems running SuSE? Both? In-Reply-To: <200306081916.34794@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <200306081916.34794@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <2083.192.168.0.5.1055170966.squirrel@trutwins.homeip.net> > Are there more people running SuSE now? > > Just more problems because people run SuSE? :-P SuSE was my first distro, only thing that worked fairly well out of the box. Now that I am a little more seasoned, the only reason I keep SuSE around is because I feel obligated to it. I do not like Yast2 or SuSEconfig and YOU is horrible. I may eventually switch over to running Debian / Slack / Gentoo, or even FreeBSD heaven forbid on my main work station. I haven't had too many problems with SuSE, mainly compiler problems. Josh _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Mon Jun 9 10:30:45 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] CD-record Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE099@mail.temgweb.com> After burning the CD, eject it and re-insert it before mounting it. I had this same problem in the past, and it was because of my drive. It only does it on one of them though, the other drive does not require it. Something must get reset in the drive when you eject it. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Frederick [mailto:cdf123@cdf123.com] > Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 11:45 AM > To: Twin Cities Linux User Group > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] CD-record > > > You could try: > # cdrecord -v speed=8 dev=0,0,0 driveropts=burnfree cdimage.iso > > > On Fri, 2003-06-06 at 23:06, Shawn wrote: > > I'm learning how to burn a cd with cd-record. I'm > following this page: > > http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/CD-Writing-HOWTO-3.html#ss3.1 > > > > However, I'm either forgetting an option, or doing > something wrong because it's not mounting after creation on linux box: > > > > mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom, > > or too many mounted file systems > > (could this be the IDE device where you in fact use > > ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?) > > > > It's a Yamaha IDE cd-r/w, and I've got the scsi emulation > loaded. Here's the steps that I took: > > > > # mkisofs -r -o cd_image cdfile/ > > > > After this was done, I could mount it in a loopback device > and see the files desired to be burned: > > > > # mount -t iso9660 -o ro,loop=/dev/loop0 cd_image /cdrom > > > > After unmounting, I run cdrecord -scanbus and get the device info: > > > > scsibus0: > > 0,0,0 0) 'YAMAHA ' 'CRW2100E ' '1.0M' > Removable CD-ROM > > > > Then, I create the cd: > > > > # cdrecord -v speed=8 dev=0,0,0 -data cd_image > > > > I don't recall seeing any error messages in the creation > process. What am I doing wrong? Thanks. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- > Chris Frederick > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Mon Jun 9 11:16:17 2003 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Openssh and SSH_ASKPASS Message-ID: <3EE4B2D1.1060408@structural-wood.com> Hi, I'm trying to get ssh to always prompt for a password using the graphical password widget. From my reading, it seems this should work. export SSH_ASKPASS=/usr/libexec/openssh/x11-ssh-askpass export DISPLAY=vampir:0 ssh -n panshin Unfortunately I still get the text prompt kent@panshin's password: I've tried alternatives and googled away the morning, and I still have had no success. Anybody have any pithy advice? Relevant advice would be nice too :-) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Mon Jun 9 11:50:21 2003 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:13 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Openssh and SSH_ASKPASS Message-ID: Hey Kent, I have read the same thing you have, and the commands you list seem right to me, but they don't work for me either. The 'askpass' programs are pretty simple, just putting the password on stdout, but 'ssh' seems to be ignoring the existence of the variables it should use to get this job done. Maybe it is different for different distributions? This is RH7.3 with OpenSSH_3.1p1, SSH protocols 1.5/2.0, and OpenSSL 0x0090602f. Can anyone get this to work? Troy >>> kent@structural-wood.com 06/09/03 11:16AM >>> Hi, I'm trying to get ssh to always prompt for a password using the graphical password widget. From my reading, it seems this should work. export SSH_ASKPASS=/usr/libexec/openssh/x11-ssh-askpass export DISPLAY=vampir:0 ssh -n panshin Unfortunately I still get the text prompt kent@panshin's password: I've tried alternatives and googled away the morning, and I still have had no success. Anybody have any pithy advice? Relevant advice would be nice too :-) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nota12b at mail.iglide.net Mon Jun 9 12:32:17 2003 From: nota12b at mail.iglide.net (Wil) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: More people running SuSE? Just more problems running SuSE? Both? Message-ID: <200306091132.AA1667760420@mail.iglide.net> I posted a question about it a few weeks ago. I'm still n00b- status and saw an article concerning 8.2 being the latest 'just- slightly-this-side-of-sliced-bread' article and since I'm still searching for a distro of choice wanted a little feedback. I'd purchased 8.1 (about a month before 8.2 came out, of course!) and was considering making another purchase... *didn't, d/l RH9 instead and am happy with it 'mostly' so far*. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >Message: 1 >From: Bob Tanner >Organization: http://www.mn-linux.org >To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org >Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 19:16:34 -0500 >Subject: [TCLUG] More people running SuSE? Just more problems running SuSE? Both? >Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > >Seems like an increase in the number of postings regarding issues with SuSE. > >Are there more people running SuSE now? > >Just more problems because people run SuSE? :-P > >Both? > >In the past SuSE has been the distant cousin on tclug. If more members are >running SuSE, I want to make sure we have the resources for SuSE like we do >for Redhat and Debian (ie local mirror, apt repo, etc). > >-- >Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 >http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 >Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gsker at tcfreenet.org Mon Jun 9 14:06:12 2003 From: gsker at tcfreenet.org (Gerald Skerbitz) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Openssh and SSH_ASKPASS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030609140306.W20773-100000@tcfreenet.org> I just tried a bunch of things with my Redhat9 setup and can't get it to work. I'm pretty sure it works on Knoppix 3.2. It'd be interesting to see what versions of things are on that, but I don't have it running now. >rpm -qa | grep ssh openssh-clients-3.5p1-6 openssh-askpass-3.5p1-6 openssh-3.5p1-6 openssh-server-3.5p1-6 openssh-askpass-gnome-3.5p1-6 -- Gerry Skerbitz gsker@tcfreenet.org On Mon, 9 Jun 2003, Troy.A Johnson wrote: [snip] > Maybe it is different for different distributions? > This is RH7.3 with OpenSSH_3.1p1, SSH > protocols 1.5/2.0, and OpenSSL 0x0090602f. > > Can anyone get this to work? [snip] > >>> kent@structural-wood.com 06/09/03 11:16AM >>> > Hi, > > I'm trying to get ssh to always prompt for a password using the graphical > password widget. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Mon Jun 9 14:08:28 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Openssh and SSH_ASKPASS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 2003-06-09 11:50:21 -0500 Troy.A Johnson wrote: > Hey Kent, > > I have read the same thing you have, and the commands you list seem > right to me, but they don't work for me either. The 'askpass' > programs are pretty simple, just putting the password on stdout, but > 'ssh' seems to be ignoring the existence of the variables it should > use to get this job done. > Maybe it is different for different distributions? This is RH7.3 with > OpenSSH_3.1p1, SSH protocols 1.5/2.0, and OpenSSL 0x0090602f. You guys need ssh-agent. try adding the following to your .bashrc eval `ssh-agent -s` Or take a look at keychain (not the OSX keychain, the one written by Dan Robbins of Gentoo fame (find it on freshmeat) > > Can anyone get this to work? > > Troy > >>>> kent@structural-wood.com 06/09/03 11:16AM >>> > Hi, > > I'm trying to get ssh to always prompt for a password using the > graphical > > password widget. > > From my reading, it seems this should work. > > export SSH_ASKPASS=/usr/libexec/openssh/x11-ssh-askpass > export DISPLAY=vampir:0 > > ssh -n panshin > > Unfortunately I still get the text prompt > > kent@panshin's password: > > I've tried alternatives and googled away the morning, and I still > have had > no success. > > Anybody have any pithy advice? Relevant advice would be nice too :-) > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Mon Jun 9 14:11:41 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Openssh and SSH_ASKPASS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <89f0b1fe6cc45cd6bca715dc49812f23@stfu.local.> On 2003-06-09 14:08:28 -0500 Ben Lutgens wrote: > On 2003-06-09 11:50:21 -0500 Troy.A Johnson > wrote: > >> Hey Kent, >> >> I have read the same thing you have, and the commands you list seem >> right to me, but they don't work for me either. The 'askpass' >> programs are pretty simple, just putting the password on stdout, but >> 'ssh' seems to be ignoring the existence of the variables it should >> use to get this job done. >> Maybe it is different for different distributions? This is RH7.3 >> with OpenSSH_3.1p1, SSH protocols 1.5/2.0, and OpenSSL 0x0090602f. > > > You guys need ssh-agent. > try adding the following to your .bashrc hrm i forgot to tell you to also have ssh-add < /dev/null > eval `ssh-agent -s` > > Or take a look at keychain (not the OSX keychain, the one written by > Dan Robbins of Gentoo fame (find it on freshmeat) > > > > >> >> Can anyone get this to work? >> >> Troy >> >>>>> kent@structural-wood.com 06/09/03 11:16AM >>> >> Hi, >> >> I'm trying to get ssh to always prompt for a password using the >> graphical >> >> password widget. >> >> From my reading, it seems this should work. >> >> export SSH_ASKPASS=/usr/libexec/openssh/x11-ssh-askpass >> export DISPLAY=vampir:0 >> >> ssh -n panshin >> >> Unfortunately I still get the text prompt >> >> kent@panshin's password: >> >> I've tried alternatives and googled away the morning, and I still >> have had >> no success. >> >> Anybody have any pithy advice? Relevant advice would be nice too :-) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gsker at tcfreenet.org Mon Jun 9 14:43:49 2003 From: gsker at tcfreenet.org (Gerald Skerbitz) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Openssh and SSH_ASKPASS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030609143634.E28400-100000@tcfreenet.org> That was included in the things I tried: Here's what I tried: SSH_AGENT_RUNNING=`ps x | grep 'ssh-agent' |grep -v grep` if [ "$SSH_AGENT_RUNNING" = "" ]; then # start it if not eval `ssh-agent -s` # also add default entity ( sleep 5; env DISPLAY=:0 SSH_ASKPASS=/usr/libexec/openssh/gnome-ssh-askpass ssh-add ~/.ssh/identity ~/.ssh/id_dsa )& else # check if environment variables set if [ -z "$SSH_AGENT_PID" ] ; then # if not we set it # Note: if SSH_AGENT_PID is set we assume that it is set correctly and # also SSH_AUTH_SOCK is set export SSH_AGENT_PID=`echo $SSH_AGENT_RUNNING | cut -f 1 -d ' '` # Unfortunatly PID in SSH_AUTH_SOCK is not the same as AGENT_PID. # Heuristic: usually it's one less ... typeset -i SSH_AUTH_PID=$SSH_AGENT_PID-1 export SSH_AUTH_SOCK=`ls /tmp/ssh-*/agent.$SSH_AUTH_PID` fi # assume it's has default identity ... fi So when I was done I had a running agent. ssh still did not fire up a graphical prompt, nor did it try to contact the agent. After reading your email I did this: /home/gsker>ssh-agent -s SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/ssh-XXKLinPp/agent.1790; export SSH_AUTH_SOCK; SSH_AGENT_PID=1791; export SSH_AGENT_PID; echo Agent pid 1791; /home/gsker>SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/ssh-XXKLinPp/agent.1790; export SSH_AUTH_SOCK; /home/gsker>SSH_AGENT_PID=1791; export SSH_AGENT_PID; /home/gsker>SSH_ASKPASS=/usr/libexec/openssh/gnome-ssh-askpass /home/gsker>ssh mdh-pod gsker@mdh-pod's password: I gotta be missing something.... But our point isn't to have a keychain anyway -- just to have a graphical password prompt. Does it work for you just like that, Ben? -- Gerry Skerbitz gsker@tcfreenet.org On Mon, 9 Jun 2003, Ben Lutgens wrote: > You guys need ssh-agent. > try adding the following to your .bashrc > eval `ssh-agent -s` _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Mon Jun 9 16:43:25 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Openssh and SSH_ASKPASS In-Reply-To: <20030609143634.E28400-100000@tcfreenet.org> Message-ID: <6bd73c0b0ec2876d0191c5804b0a4d96@stfu.local.> On 2003-06-09 14:43:49 -0500 Gerald Skerbitz wrote: > Does it work for you just like that, Ben? Oh shit I so lied to you :-) I had all that stuff in my .xinitrc / .xsession. Make certain that your ~/.xsession (or .xinitrc as it were) are being run at login time. Seems to me that redhat's default gnome-session will do this for you by default if you have a default ssh key in your .ssh dir. This should be pretty simple not sure what we're missing. Check your XFree86.log (or whateveryourdistro calls it) ssh-add < /dev/null should start up the default x11-ssh-askpass (or x11-ssh-askpass-gnome) > -- > Gerry Skerbitz > gsker@tcfreenet.org > > On Mon, 9 Jun 2003, Ben Lutgens wrote: >> You guys need ssh-agent. >> try adding the following to your .bashrc >> eval `ssh-agent -s` > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From STEVEWABC at netscape.net Mon Jun 9 17:43:29 2003 From: STEVEWABC at netscape.net (STEVEWABC@netscape.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: <7E8F37CC.4469E6FD.026842C8@netscape.net> I own a constrution Co. here in Mpls, Mn and We have been using MS for 13 Yrs now and every Year are computers crash 1 or 2 times THATS IT .. I went out and start looking for a new OS 6 Mo. ago and came up with linux just maybe what I need.. Free Yaaa Right and it is but I see it this way, everyone wants things for Free and not have to pay for it. ..You all out there thinking this way, Y dont you go to work to morrow and tell them I dont want to be payed any more.. How long can you do that for? Well with that said, If we do not start supporting Linux better it will never ever overcome MS. IT WILL BE GONE IN TIME!!! Thats all on that NEXT!!! I have tryed Mandrake 9.0 and 9.1 I was'nt able to get it to run on my systems here(Intel P4 3.06/533) so then I went to Best Buy and Got RedHat 8.0 out of the box it ran I played with it but really didnt like it Back to Best Buy and got SuSE8.1 Pro.. Out of the box it blows RedHat out of the water with option.. But the font suck...I used it for 2 Mo. Then SuSE8.2 came out I got it, Its even much Better then 8.1 but them fonts Sucked so I call SuSE, I had it..MS was starting to look better...SuSE tells me we dont support Nvidia you need to call Nvidia or get a new Video card I said For get it, I would have to buy 15 cards for all are computers...But damm I want this to work!!! Then on Distrowatch one day I see Libranet2.8 and I just watch to see what people are saying about it ..WOW it supports NVidia out of the Box...Ok I will Buy this one and if it doesnt work I will stay with MS!!! But I now can say we are changing all computers over to Libranet2.8 by the first of June ... We found a linux programer here in the Citys to build us a new database, for are old system was running on Access and Filemaker Pro.. Even with a new database and setting up are server this move is running the Co. about $11,000.00 now lets see here I call are MS Rep he came out and look at every thing then got back to me after a few days telling me this will cost you $24,500... You do the math COME ON HOME LIBRANET2.8 ....GREAT JOB BOYS....O two other thing the fonts are great !!!! and it is so easy to istall new one's of your choice. And it put a total end to all my Dep. Hell problems rock on APT!! This distro has so many option and even a newbie shouldnt have any problems installing this.. Now the things I see that linux needs to Inprove on are as follows - Need a big change on there database needs to be more GUI like.. ( Access or Filemaker Pro.)You should'nt have to be a programer to make a database... - Needs better Burnning tools make it run like ROXIO (drag and burn) and system back for CD/RW like Iomega's - Easyer networking tools for really dummies like me! - more user friendly 6/9/03 WE are now 100% ms free!!!! __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 From david at acz.org Mon Jun 9 19:44:46 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) References: <7E8F37CC.4469E6FD.026842C8@netscape.net> Message-ID: <009201c32ee9$7de0ad80$0201a8c0@brinstar> STEVEWABC@netscape.net writes: > - Need a big change on there database needs to be more GUI like.. ( > Access or Filemaker Pro.)You should'nt have to be a programer to make > a database... Unfortunately, there is no good open source application that is comparable to Access. While the database portion of Access sucks, the GUI portion is great. You might take a look at this: http://www.thekompany.com/products/dataarchitect/ > - Needs better Burnning tools make it run like ROXIO (drag and burn) > and system back for CD/RW like Iomega's > > - Easyer networking tools for really dummies like me! > > - more user friendly It sounds like you want a Mac. If your time isn't free, then neither is Linux. -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Mon Jun 9 19:52:07 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:14 2005 Subject: Answer to Flamebait {WAS: [TCLUG] (no subject)} In-Reply-To: <7E8F37CC.4469E6FD.026842C8@netscape.net> Message-ID: On 2003-06-09 17:43:29 -0500 STEVEWABC@netscape.net wrote: On your first ridiculous point about "free" you should know that your view of how we want it 'free' is way off. We want it 'free' as in 'free speech' not as in 'free beer' http://www.opensource.org/docs/definition.php http://www.gpl.org > - Need a big change on there database needs to be more GUI like.. ( > Access or Filemaker Pro.)You should'nt have to be a programer to make > a database... the database apps you speak of are not user databases like access or filemaker, they're meant as backends to other apps. > > - Needs better Burnning tools make it run like ROXIO (drag and burn) > and system back for CD/RW like Iomega's Actually the latest redhat makes it as easy to burn a cd as winxp does. Out of the box. No roxio (or work-alike) needed. You put a blank cdr in, some daemon tells gnome its a burnable disc. Then it creates a pseudo-image on the desktop, you drag files to it then click on "Burn to CD" pretty idiot proof... > > - Easyer networking tools for really dummies like me! > Its about as user friendly as it needs to be I'd say. Perhaps you should stop thinking of yourself as a "Dummie" and actually try to read some of the docs that came with your OS. I'd be willing to be your box-sets came with some newbie docs. > - more user friendly Already covered. > > 6/9/03 WE are now 100% ms free!!!! Yet you have nothing positive to say about it. Why do you bother? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel at joelschneider.net Mon Jun 9 21:17:16 2003 From: joel at joelschneider.net (Joel Schneider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <7E8F37CC.4469E6FD.026842C8@netscape.net>; from STEVEWABC@netscape.net on Mon, Jun 09, 2003 at 06:43:29PM -0400 References: <7E8F37CC.4469E6FD.026842C8@netscape.net> Message-ID: <20030609211716.C25093@joelschneider.net> On Mon, Jun 09, 2003 at 06:43:29PM -0400, STEVEWABC@netscape.net wrote: > 6/9/03 WE are now 100% ms free!!!! Congratulations!! -- Joel Schneider joel@joelschneider.net Linux makes computing fun again. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From STEVEWABC at netscape.net Mon Jun 9 21:35:45 2003 From: STEVEWABC at netscape.net (STEVEWABC@netscape.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Answer to Flamebait (please that is not what I was after here..) Message-ID: <3EAF1EA4.5A8540F5.026842C8@netscape.net> Sorry everyone not Flamebait! The point I was getting at here Is other then the problems I'm having with trying to find a database that I can learn on and Networking which I see as a real pain and The cd burning.. Thats only 3 problems out of everything Libranet2.8 does, I saw "WOW "That it? Yes I payed alot of money setting up my office and trying to learn to do the same at home here on my own time.. From jeff at dreadidread.homelinux.org Sat Jun 7 09:44:50 2003 From: jeff at dreadidread.homelinux.org (Jeff Hemminger) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <7E8F37CC.4469E6FD.026842C8@netscape.net> References: <7E8F37CC.4469E6FD.026842C8@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1054997090.9022.73.camel@pc-00067> On Mon, 2003-06-09 at 17:43, STEVEWABC@netscape.net wrote: > > 6/9/03 WE are now 100% ms free!!!! > That's great, man! Thanks for sharing, great story. 24K vs 11K, that's really cool, I had no idea the consultants were that much cheaper. That does rock. Jeff _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gsker at tcfreenet.org Mon Jun 9 22:06:07 2003 From: gsker at tcfreenet.org (Gerry) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Answer to Flamebait (please that is not what I was after here..) In-Reply-To: <3EAF1EA4.5A8540F5.026842C8@netscape.net> References: <3EAF1EA4.5A8540F5.026842C8@netscape.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Jun 2003 STEVEWABC@netscape.net wrote: [snip] > Now with that said lets take one thing at a time here, Database I will > explain the way I built mine First..Which is using a GUI from filemakerPro. > all I had to do was make my page layouts and then match everything up and > send it to were ever I wanted by linking them very easy When I look at mysql > there is alot of command line stuff or should I say scripting..And maybe I > just dont no what a real database is...Can anyone help with this? or point > me in the way I should be going? I've not found any database programs that match the ease that you are describing. (I've got years of Foxpro and Oracle experience and friends who love filemaker and have gone on to make web-based applications using it.) If you've used portals and filemaker scripting, you probably have a decent idea of a database. Don't let anyone demean that experience. Maybe qtdesigner with a database connector? The examples that come with Redhat9 are pretty impressive. Not simple, though. Good luck. Keep us posted where you go with the database stuff. -- Gerry Skerbitz gsker@tcfreenet.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Mon Jun 9 22:26:48 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:14 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Answer to Flamebait (please that is not what I was after here..) References: <3EAF1EA4.5A8540F5.026842C8@netscape.net> Message-ID: <001001c32f00$203f2320$0201a8c0@brinstar> STEVEWABC@netscape.net writes: > Now with that said lets take one thing at a time here, Database I > will explain the way I built mine First..Which is using a GUI from > filemakerPro. all I had to do was make my page layouts and then match > everything up and send it to were ever I wanted by linking them very > easy OpenOffice has some database functionality: http://www.openoffice.org/product/page35.html The product I was thinking of before was Rekall: http://www.thekompany.com/projects/rekall/ -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david.blevins at visi.com Mon Jun 9 23:12:41 2003 From: david.blevins at visi.com (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Answer to Flamebait (please that is not what I was after here..) In-Reply-To: <3EAF1EA4.5A8540F5.026842C8@netscape.net> References: <3EAF1EA4.5A8540F5.026842C8@netscape.net> Message-ID: <20030610041241.GB18064@isis.visi.com> On Mon, Jun 09, 2003 at 10:35:45PM -0400, STEVEWABC@netscape.net wrote: > The point I was getting at here Is other then the problems I'm having > with trying to find a database that I can learn on and Networking which > I see as a real pain and The cd burning.. Thats only 3 problems out of > everything Libranet2.8 does, I saw "WOW "That it? Just as a note, some thanks does go to the Debian team. Libranet is Debian-based. > Yes I payed alot of money setting up my office and trying to learn to do > the same at home here on my own time.. Sure, there is a cost associated with switching to anything. Fortunately, you were still able to save 13K. Next year won't be so bad. I suggest you take 2 of that 13k and donate it to a project that will improve the way you do business. Many are setup as non-profits, so there is a tax break for you. Make sure you send a letter with your check that explains why you like the program and what you need from it in the future. Next year, when you are saving much more, donate to two or three projects. Again, a tax shelter that benefits you in the end. That money is going to get you some people who know you by name and will be *very* responsive to your posts on their mailing list. This could save you weeks over the course of a year. For better mileage on your donation to a project, divide it up into a few chuncks and dish it out with personalized thank you letters over the course of the year. "Thank you for helping with problem X .... Take this donation as a token of my gratitude. Keep up the excellent work!" > > Now with that said lets take one thing at a time here, Database I will > explain the way I built mine First..Which is using a GUI from > filemakerPro. all I had to do was make my page layouts and then match > everything up and send it to were ever I wanted by linking them very > easy When I look at mysql there is alot of command line stuff or should > I say scripting..And maybe I just dont no what a real database is...Can > anyone help with this? or point me in the way I should be going? I like this tool for many things: http://www.webmin.com/screens/mysql.gif If you like that tool, you may want to make a donation or two there: http://www.webmin.com/custom.html -David _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cschumann at twp-llc.com Mon Jun 9 23:25:08 2003 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20030610033301.20775.80601.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: Is there some trick to reading these in digest mode? 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Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gkrueger at cleosci.com Mon Jun 9 23:31:49 2003 From: gkrueger at cleosci.com (gkrueger) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) References: <7E8F37CC.4469E6FD.026842C8@netscape.net> Message-ID: <3EE55F35.30904@cleosci.com> I think it's cool that you're MS free. Linux does have pretty decent support for SQL (at least in my view). I feel that most of the distros are pretty solid if you're willing to tweak the parts with which you're dissatisfied. I'm fairly "partial" to RedHat though I play with Mandrake as well as FreeBSD fairly regularly. My thing with RedHat is that it is gaining support within the PC manufacturer forums. For example, if you wish to run a "painless" install on a new Dell PowerEdge, the accompanying CD supports RedHat (as well as Novell and Microsuck). Overall, the more support we see from the manufacturers, the better! This, unto itself, will help build stronger, better distros -- not to mention all of the rest of us wishing, tweaking, and so on. Anyway, it sounds like you're doing great! Keep it up! Garrett STEVEWABC@netscape.net wrote: >CD/RW like Iomega's >- Easyer networking tools for really dummies like me! >- more user friendly >6/9/03 WE are now 100% ms free!!!! >__________________________________________________________________McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network.Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today!http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 >Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now!http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455?????????????????????????????????????1???x ???2)?y?h?+?J??j??2)?z?-jm???? ?????{??????n??b?????b?????!??l???j)fj??y???)???&?f??f??X??)???\????+- > > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From gkrueger at cleosci.com Mon Jun 9 23:33:42 2003 From: gkrueger at cleosci.com (gkrueger) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:15 2005 Subject: Answer to Flamebait {WAS: [TCLUG] (no subject)} References: Message-ID: <3EE55FA6.8070703@cleosci.com> Easy there cowboy... he's made a step in the right direction! :) Ben Lutgens wrote: > On 2003-06-09 17:43:29 -0500 STEVEWABC@netscape.net wrote: > ... > > Yet you have nothing positive to say about it. Why do you bother? > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Tue Jun 10 00:35:09 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ads bigger on LinuxToday? Message-ID: <200306100035.09889@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Is it me, or are the ads bigger on LinuxToday? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com Mon Jun 9 14:08:49 2003 From: MarkCourtney at MarkCourtney.com (Mark Courtney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Ads bigger on LinuxToday? In-Reply-To: <200306100035.09889@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <200306100035.09889@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <1139.192.168.2.244.1055185729.squirrel@webmail.markcourtney.com> I do believe you are correct, Bob. The top banners ad is 750 x 100 pixels. > Is it me, or are the ads bigger on LinuxToday? > > Bob Tanner Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Jun 2003, Ben Lutgens wrote: > On 2003-06-09 17:43:29 -0500 STEVEWABC@netscape.net wrote: > > - Needs better Burnning tools make it run like ROXIO (drag and burn) > > and system back for CD/RW like Iomega's > > Actually the latest redhat makes it as easy to burn a cd as winxp > does. Out of the box. No roxio (or work-alike) needed. You put a blank > cdr in, some daemon tells gnome its a burnable disc. Then it creates a > pseudo-image on the desktop, you drag files to it then click on "Burn > to CD" pretty idiot proof... RedHat 9 also seems to support NVidia cards pretty well out-of-the-box. (At least, it worked fine with the NVidia chipset in my laptop, something which RH8.0 didn't manage.) 8.0 wasn't bad, but they made some great progress with 9. Steve, if you'd like a copy of RedHat 9, we've got a few left over from our last campaign; all we ask is $2 to cover the media costs. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Tue Jun 10 07:35:44 2003 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) References: <7E8F37CC.4469E6FD.026842C8@netscape.net> <009201c32ee9$7de0ad80$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <3EE5D0A0.2030306@structural-wood.com> > > >>- Needs better Burnning tools make it run like ROXIO (drag and burn) >>and system back for CD/RW like Iomega's I haven't tried it, but supposedly there is a plugin for Nautilus that allows you to create a cd just by populating a virtual folder. I think the virtual folder name is 'burn:' _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From adamm at sihope.com Tue Jun 10 08:20:13 2003 From: adamm at sihope.com (Adam Maloney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Answer to Flamebait (please that is not what I was after here..) In-Reply-To: <3EAF1EA4.5A8540F5.026842C8@netscape.net> Message-ID: I'm not familiar with Filemaker Pro, but Access was just a dumbed-down interface into a (shoddy) "real" database back-end. MySQL is what a "real" SQL database looks like. Same with Oracle. SQL is a programming language, so all of your interaction with the database is through a command line, because that's how you talk to a database. I think even MS SQL is the same way - there is a GUI front end, but it basically pops up a window for you to type SQL commands to. That said, there are a number of tools that will let you manage the database itself (not the data), like creating tables, setting permissions, etc. Then I've seem programs that will automatically build web-based CGI interfaces to manipulate the data based on the table structures. So the MySQL developers left it up to the end-user's to build their own front-ends, based on what they wanted. Some people like the web-interface because it's cross platform. Some people want a command-line tool so they can include it in scripts. Some people want a Gnome or Motif or Tcl or KDE or whathaveyou interface. But they didn't want to constrain you to just the desktop option. This is probably more complicated than what you did with Filemaker, but keep in mind that SQL engines like MySQL and Oracle were meant to handle TERABYTES of data. FYI - The Mysql documentation page has a Filemaker Pro to MySQL migration whitepaper you might want to look at. > Now with that said lets take one thing at a time here, Database I will > explain the way I built mine First..Which is using a GUI from > filemakerPro. all I had to do was make my page layouts and then match > everything up and send it to were ever I wanted by linking them very > easy When I look at mysql there is alot of command line stuff or > should I say scripting..And maybe I just dont no what a real database > is...Can anyone help with this? or point me in the way I should be > going? > > __________________________________________________________________ > McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. > Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! > http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 > > Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! > http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > Adam Maloney Systems Administrator Sihope Communications _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ndavis at iexposure.com Tue Jun 10 08:37:16 2003 From: ndavis at iexposure.com (Nick Davis) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <7E8F37CC.4469E6FD.026842C8@netscape.net> References: <7E8F37CC.4469E6FD.026842C8@netscape.net> Message-ID: <200306100837.16416.ndavis@iexposure.com> > - Needs better Burnning tools make it run like ROXIO (drag and burn) and > system back for CD/RW like Iomega's I use Mandrake 9.1 and there is a program called "K3b The CD Kreator". K3b is part of kde 3.1.2, so I'm sure you can get it with any other distro running KDE. This uses drag and drop burning. You have your files in the top right part of the window and you drag them to the bottom right part of the window, then click on cd icon which means burn. Give it a try! Nick -- Nick Davis Associate Systems Administrator ndavis@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com (612)676-1946 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kent at structural-wood.com Tue Jun 10 09:07:02 2003 From: kent at structural-wood.com (Kent Schumacher) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) References: <7E8F37CC.4469E6FD.026842C8@netscape.net> <200306100837.16416.ndavis@iexposure.com> Message-ID: <3EE5E606.1050504@structural-wood.com> There is also gcombust, which allows you to drop folders from Nautilus (and maybe other sources) into it's "data file" window. I'm guessing there are at least 25 good cd burner applications available for linux (90% of them front ends for cdrecord). Nick Davis wrote: >>- Needs better Burnning tools make it run like ROXIO (drag and burn) and >>system back for CD/RW like Iomega's > > > I use Mandrake 9.1 and there is a program called "K3b The CD Kreator". K3b is > part of kde 3.1.2, so I'm sure you can get it with any other distro running > KDE. This uses drag and drop burning. You have your files in the top right > part of the window and you drag them to the bottom right part of the window, > then click on cd icon which means burn. > > Give it a try! > > Nick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From greg at gregrolling.com Tue Jun 10 09:37:56 2003 From: greg at gregrolling.com (Greg Rolling) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] GPG and mutt segmentation fault Message-ID: <31470.64.122.55.220.1055255876.squirrel@www.gregrolling.com> Goodmorning, I am having a problem with Mutt and GPG. When attempting to send a message filtered through gpg I am getting a segmentationn fault. The macro was working previously, and started failing more and more often over the past week or so. I haven't changed anything that I can think of. I am using RH9.0, mutt-1.4.1-1, gpg 1.2.1 and postfix-1.1.11-11. I previously thought that restarting postfix was giving me a workaround, but today I find that is not the case. There is nothing in /var/log/messages that would give me any help. My gpg setup in .muttrc: macro compose \CP "Fgpg --clearsign\ny" source ~/.gpg.rc set pgp_verify_sig=yes # verify message signatures Thanks, Greg _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Tue Jun 10 10:38:04 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE09D@mail.temgweb.com> As far as burning goes, the latest Mandrake has some sweet tools that integrate with Konqueror that make it work similar to Roxio. Very nice. I don't remember what the name of these tools is though... > -----Original Message----- > From: David Phillips [mailto:david@acz.org] > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 7:45 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] (no subject) > > > STEVEWABC@netscape.net writes: > > - Need a big change on there database needs to be more GUI like.. ( > > Access or Filemaker Pro.)You should'nt have to be a > programer to make > > a database... > > Unfortunately, there is no good open source application that > is comparable > to Access. While the database portion of Access sucks, the > GUI portion is > great. You might take a look at this: > > http://www.thekompany.com/products/dataarchitect/ > > > - Needs better Burnning tools make it run like ROXIO (drag and burn) > > and system back for CD/RW like Iomega's > > > > - Easyer networking tools for really dummies like me! > > > > - more user friendly > > It sounds like you want a Mac. If your time isn't free, then > neither is > Linux. > > -- > David Phillips > http://david.acz.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dsherman at real-time.com Tue Jun 10 10:58:57 2003 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE09D@mail.temgweb.com> References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE09D@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <3EE60041.304@real-time.com> Austad, Jay wrote: > As far as burning goes, the latest Mandrake has some sweet tools that > integrate with Konqueror that make it work similar to Roxio. Very nice. > > I don't remember what the name of these tools is though... Konqueror links up with K3b, the "standard" KDE cd burning app. And you're right, it *is* sweet. -- Dave Sherman MCSE, MCSA, CCNA "Windows NT was supposed to hit Unix hard (it did - like a bug hitting a windshield)...." - Andrew Grygus, aaxnet.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jonathon at quotidian.org Tue Jun 10 11:15:55 2003 From: jonathon at quotidian.org (Jonathon Jongsma) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:15 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] easy sql database (was flamebait) Message-ID: <697363710a1344a38c2d3259c720a77e.jonathon@quotidian.org> > STEVEWABC@netscape.net writes: > > Now with that said lets take one thing at a time here, Database I > > will explain the way I built mine First..Which is using a GUI from > > filemakerPro. all I had to do was make my page layouts and then match > > everything up and send it to were ever I wanted by linking them very > > easy I've been using mysql control center a little bit (available from mysql at http://www.mysql.com/downloads/mysqlcc.html), and while it's not as 'dumbed-down' and easy as access, it's not bad for relatively inexperienced database users. It allows you to type in SQL code to perform actions, but it can also do a fair bit with point and click. It's still early in development, but it seems pretty decent. Jonathon _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.com Tue Jun 10 11:31:40 2003 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mozilla on Mandrake 9.1 Message-ID: <1055262700.2725.16.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> On previous versions of Mandrake (8.2/9.0) I really enjoyed the Galeon browser. It had no mail client, was easy to configure, and was still fairly powerful. Now though, I'm finding it difficult to do the things I used to do so easily before (e.g. block images from ad servers), and some things are just buggy (e.g. some HTML special characters will render the text of the line they are on invisible). I started looking into Mozilla since that's what galeon is built on. It has everything I want, and it seems to be quite a bit faster than I remembered it before. My only problem with it that galeon handles so well, popups and windows. galeon will run in one window, period. Popups, Links from other apps, etc, all can be set up to use just one window. But I can't seem to get Mozilla to be this nice. Everything seems to open new windows. Is there a way to set up Mozilla to only run in one window no matter what? -- Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Tue Jun 10 12:05:00 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: SNMP OID's for uploading config Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE0A4@mail.temgweb.com> There's a sequence of SNMP OID's that you can hit on a cisco router which will allow you to merge a config file from a tftp server to the router. Does anyone know what these are offhand? Using the private community, you supposedly can set the tftp server, the filename, and then hit one more that will fire off the transfer and pull the config from your tftp server. I can't seem to find what this is anywhere. Jay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Tue Jun 10 12:24:35 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <200306100837.16416.ndavis@iexposure.com> References: <7E8F37CC.4469E6FD.026842C8@netscape.net> <200306100837.16416.ndavis@iexposure.com> Message-ID: <200306101224.35390@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Tuesday 10 June 2003 08:37 am, Nick Davis wrote: > > - Needs better Burnning tools make it run like ROXIO (drag and burn) and > > system back for CD/RW like Iomega's > > I use Mandrake 9.1 and there is a program called "K3b The CD Kreator". K3b > is part of kde 3.1.2, so I'm sure you can get it with any other distro > running KDE. This uses drag and drop burning. You have your files in the > top right part of the window and you drag them to the bottom right part of > the window, then click on cd icon which means burn. http://kde-redhat.sourceforge.net If you got apt-rpm installed: ## kde stable repository(s) for Red Hat 7.3 rpm ftp://apt.unl.edu/apt/ 7.3 kde30 kde3 kde3-extras rpm-src ftp://apt.unl.edu/apt/ 7.3 kde30 kde3 kde3-extras ## kde-redhat unstable/testing repository for Red Hat 7.3 rpm ftp://apt.unl.edu/apt/ 7.3 kde3-test rpm-src ftp://apt.unl.edu/apt/ 7.3 kde3-test (Change Redhat version accordingly) All of KDE 3.1.2 has "ported" to 7.3, 8.0, 9 -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bradyh at bitstream.net Tue Jun 10 12:34:44 2003 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mozilla on Mandrake 9.1 In-Reply-To: <1055262700.2725.16.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> References: <1055262700.2725.16.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Message-ID: <1055266483.21691.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> I hate to seem like I'm harping on this but this is one area where Mozilla-Firebird (http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firebird/) is great. It's incredibly fast and it defaults to not allowing pop-ups. Though you can easily allow pop-ups by site if you need to. Brady > On previous versions of Mandrake (8.2/9.0) I really enjoyed the Galeon > browser. It had no mail client, was easy to configure, and was still > fairly powerful. Now though, I'm finding it difficult to do the things > I used to do so easily before (e.g. block images from ad servers), and > some things are just buggy (e.g. some HTML special characters will > render the text of the line they are on invisible). I started looking > into Mozilla since that's what galeon is built on. It has everything I > want, and it seems to be quite a bit faster than I remembered it > before. My only problem with it that galeon handles so well, popups and > windows. galeon will run in one window, period. Popups, Links from > other apps, etc, all can be set up to use just one window. But I can't > seem to get Mozilla to be this nice. Everything seems to open new > windows. Is there a way to set up Mozilla to only run in one window no > matter what? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Tue Jun 10 12:44:58 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:16 2005 Subject: Bah, stupid subject: KDE-3.1.2 RPMs for Redhat 7.3, 8.0, 9 was Re: [TCLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <200306101224.35390@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <7E8F37CC.4469E6FD.026842C8@netscape.net> <200306100837.16416.ndavis@iexposure.com> <200306101224.35390@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <200306101244.58609@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Sorry, didn't fix the subject on the previous post. On Tuesday 10 June 2003 12:24 pm, Bob Tanner wrote: > On Tuesday 10 June 2003 08:37 am, Nick Davis wrote: > > > - Needs better Burnning tools make it run like ROXIO (drag and burn) > > > and system back for CD/RW like Iomega's > > > > I use Mandrake 9.1 and there is a program called "K3b The CD Kreator". > > K3b is part of kde 3.1.2, so I'm sure you can get it with any other > > distro running KDE. This uses drag and drop burning. You have your files > > in the top right part of the window and you drag them to the bottom right > > part of the window, then click on cd icon which means burn. > > http://kde-redhat.sourceforge.net > > If you got apt-rpm installed: > > ## kde stable repository(s) for Red Hat 7.3 > rpm ftp://apt.unl.edu/apt/ 7.3 kde30 kde3 kde3-extras > rpm-src ftp://apt.unl.edu/apt/ 7.3 kde30 kde3 kde3-extras > > ## kde-redhat unstable/testing repository for Red Hat 7.3 > rpm ftp://apt.unl.edu/apt/ 7.3 kde3-test > rpm-src ftp://apt.unl.edu/apt/ 7.3 kde3-test > > (Change Redhat version accordingly) > > All of KDE 3.1.2 has "ported" to 7.3, 8.0, 9 -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.com Tue Jun 10 12:39:39 2003 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mozilla on Mandrake 9.1 In-Reply-To: <1055266483.21691.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1055262700.2725.16.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> <1055266483.21691.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1055266779.2656.27.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Does it pop them up in a new window? or a new tab? hint: tab would be the right answer :) I just can't stand having a ton of windows open when the application has all these wonderful tabs to use. And just for clarification, unsolicited popups aren't a problem, it's the links that are a pain. Thanks for the info, I'll have to check it out On Tue, 2003-06-10 at 13:34, Brady Hegberg wrote: > I hate to seem like I'm harping on this but this is one area where > Mozilla-Firebird (http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firebird/) is great. > It's incredibly fast and it defaults to not allowing pop-ups. Though > you can easily allow pop-ups by site if you need to. > > Brady > > > On previous versions of Mandrake (8.2/9.0) I really enjoyed the Galeon > > browser. It had no mail client, was easy to configure, and was still > > fairly powerful. Now though, I'm finding it difficult to do the things > > I used to do so easily before (e.g. block images from ad servers), and > > some things are just buggy (e.g. some HTML special characters will > > render the text of the line they are on invisible). I started looking > > into Mozilla since that's what galeon is built on. It has everything I > > want, and it seems to be quite a bit faster than I remembered it > > before. My only problem with it that galeon handles so well, popups and > > windows. galeon will run in one window, period. Popups, Links from > > other apps, etc, all can be set up to use just one window. But I can't > > seem to get Mozilla to be this nice. Everything seems to open new > > windows. Is there a way to set up Mozilla to only run in one window no > > matter what? > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jspinti at dartdist.com Tue Jun 10 13:14:15 2003 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCO code in Linux Message-ID: <200306101314.15528.jspinti@dartdist.com> Just saw this one: http://www.wininformant.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=39258 Any informed comments? -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 396 fax 952-368-3255 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bradyh at bitstream.net Tue Jun 10 13:29:08 2003 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mozilla on Mandrake 9.1 In-Reply-To: <1055266779.2656.27.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> References: <1055262700.2725.16.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> <1055266483.21691.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1055266779.2656.27.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Message-ID: <1055269747.24475.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> I've never thought much about solicited popups so I never checked. It has a lot of extensions but I don't know if that means it does what you want. > Does it pop them up in a new window? or a new tab? > > hint: tab would be the right answer :) > > I just can't stand having a ton of windows open when the application has > all these wonderful tabs to use. And just for clarification, > unsolicited popups aren't a problem, it's the href="javascript:openthis(href)"> links that are a pain. > > Thanks for the info, I'll have to check it out > > On Tue, 2003-06-10 at 13:34, Brady Hegberg wrote: > > I hate to seem like I'm harping on this but this is one area where > > Mozilla-Firebird (http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firebird/) is great. > > It's incredibly fast and it defaults to not allowing pop-ups. Though > > you can easily allow pop-ups by site if you need to. > > > > Brady > > > > > On previous versions of Mandrake (8.2/9.0) I really enjoyed the Galeon > > > browser. It had no mail client, was easy to configure, and was still > > > fairly powerful. Now though, I'm finding it difficult to do the things > > > I used to do so easily before (e.g. block images from ad servers), and > > > some things are just buggy (e.g. some HTML special characters will > > > render the text of the line they are on invisible). I started looking > > > into Mozilla since that's what galeon is built on. It has everything I > > > want, and it seems to be quite a bit faster than I remembered it > > > before. My only problem with it that galeon handles so well, popups and > > > windows. galeon will run in one window, period. Popups, Links from > > > other apps, etc, all can be set up to use just one window. But I can't > > > seem to get Mozilla to be this nice. Everything seems to open new > > > windows. Is there a way to set up Mozilla to only run in one window no > > > matter what? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Tue Jun 10 13:21:48 2003 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] OT: SNMP OID's for uploading config In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE0A4@mail.temgweb.com> References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE0A4@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <20030610182148.GA95728@botwerks.org> when last we saw our hero (Tuesday, Jun 10, 2003), Austad, Jay was madly tapping out: > There's a sequence of SNMP OID's that you can hit on a cisco router which > will allow you to merge a config file from a tftp server to the router. > Does anyone know what these are offhand? > > Using the private community, you supposedly can set the tftp server, the > filename, and then hit one more that will fire off the transfer and pull the > config from your tftp server. > > I can't seem to find what this is anywhere. fire up your mib browser and have a look at the CISCO-CONFIG-COPY-MIB. elements in this part of the tree are likely of interest to you[1]. there's a little bit of work associated with doing this. pancho[2] (a decent config management tool has stuff prebuild for doign this. references ---------- [1] - 1.3.6.1.4.1.9.9.96.1.1.1.1 [2] - http://www.projectpancho.org/ -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Tue Jun 10 13:35:32 2003 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCO code in Linux In-Reply-To: <200306101314.15528.jspinti@dartdist.com> References: <200306101314.15528.jspinti@dartdist.com> Message-ID: <20030610183532.GI6757@iucha.net> On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 01:14:15PM -0500, James Spinti wrote: > Just saw this one: > > http://www.wininformant.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=39258 > > Any informed comments? "And how will the community bounce back from these claims of illegitimacy when the very process under which Linux is created fosters and even promotes theft?" A truly unbiased and informed article. Trolls never die, they are just recycled. florin -- "NT is to UNIX what a doughnut is to a particle accelerator." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030610/aef4c108/attachment.pgp From waynej at dccmn.com Tue Jun 10 13:51:42 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCO code in Linux In-Reply-To: <200306101314.15528.jspinti@dartdist.com> References: <200306101314.15528.jspinti@dartdist.com> Message-ID: <46607.63.137.56.228.1055271102.squirrel@dccmn.com> Even more proof that MS and SCO are colaberating on this attack on Linux. One has to wonder about the accuracy of such statements as "when the very process under which Linux is created fosters and even promotes theft?" Sounds like Bill talking to me. James Spinti said: > Just saw this one: > > http://www.wininformant.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=39258 > > Any informed comments? > -- > Thanks, > > James Spinti > jspinti at dartdist dot com > 952-368-3278 ext 396 > fax 952-368-3255 > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Tue Jun 10 13:52:22 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCO code in Linux In-Reply-To: <200306101314.15528.jspinti@dartdist.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, James Spinti wrote: > Just saw this one: > > http://www.wininformant.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=39258 > > Any informed comments? Informed, no, comments, yes. :) "How did the wunderkind Linux find itself in such a compromising, Microsoft-like position? And how will the community bounce back from these claims of illegitimacy when the very process under which Linux is created fosters and even promotes theft?" What Microsoft-like position does he speak of? Has M$ been accused of code theft? I would also think that the Linux development model would *discourage* theft, as any company can compare the Linux code to the code of their projects.. if there is a problem, a quick post to LKML would probably have that section of the kernel rewritten in a couple days. With closed-source applications, you can steal whatever code you want, and it'd be a whole lot harder to prove. *shrugs* -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Jun 10 14:05:28 2003 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:16 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCO code in Linux In-Reply-To: <200306101314.15528.jspinti@dartdist.com> References: <200306101314.15528.jspinti@dartdist.com> Message-ID: <1055271929.10862.41.camel@3po.thodt.net> Not much can be said yet about SCO's claims yet. The analysts who have seen the examples of supposed theft are under non-disclosure agreements, so they can't talk much about it. Slashdot reported that SCO's evidence is just 80 lines of code, which is not even a drop in the bucket of Linux source (something in the neighborhood of 2500000 lines). A thought I just had: it's possible that both chunks of code look the same because the authors were working from a reference implementation of a driver or other idea. Maybe the actual origin of the source code is the public domain... -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ The computer made me do it / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Tue Jun 10 14:14:59 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCO code in Linux In-Reply-To: <1055271929.10862.41.camel@3po.thodt.net> References: <200306101314.15528.jspinti@dartdist.com> <1055271929.10862.41.camel@3po.thodt.net> Message-ID: <48579.63.137.56.228.1055272499.squirrel@dccmn.com> Might even be because one of the SCO people contributed to the Linux code. But I think this has all been hashed out before. Basically, it proves nothing. Mike Hicks said: > Not much can be said yet about SCO's claims yet. The analysts who have > seen the examples of supposed theft are under non-disclosure agreements, > so they can't talk much about it. Slashdot reported that SCO's evidence > is just 80 lines of code, which is not even a drop in the bucket of > Linux source (something in the neighborhood of 2500000 lines). > > A thought I just had: it's possible that both chunks of code look the > same because the authors were working from a reference implementation of > a driver or other idea. Maybe the actual origin of the source code is > the public domain... > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ The computer made me do it > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Tue Jun 10 14:18:44 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RE: Answer to Flamebait (please that is not what I was Re: [TCLUG] RE: Answer to Flamebait (please that is not what I was In-Reply-To: <3EAF1EA4.5A8540F5.026842C8@netscape.net> Message-ID: <76b99e1bbc2b9f850e64291d41238f3f@stfu.local.> On 2003-06-09 21:35:45 -0500 STEVEWABC@netscape.net wrote: > Now with that said lets take one thing at a time here, Database I > will explain the way I built mine First..Which is using a GUI from > filemakerPro. all I had to do was make my page layouts and then match > everything up and send it to were ever I wanted by linking them very > easy When I look at mysql there is alot of command line stuff or > should I say scripting..And maybe I just dont no what a real database > is...Can anyone help with this? or point me in the way I should be > going? I think openoffice/staroffice (or whatever it is today) does (or used to have) a access-workalike > > __________________________________________________________________ > McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. > Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free > trial today! > http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 > > Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! > http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Tue Jun 10 14:32:03 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCO code in Linux In-Reply-To: <200306101314.15528.jspinti@dartdist.com> References: <200306101314.15528.jspinti@dartdist.com> Message-ID: <200306101432.03525@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Tuesday 10 June 2003 01:14 pm, James Spinti wrote: > Just saw this one: > > http://www.wininformant.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=39258 > > Any informed comments? If there is Unix code in Linux, are people just breaking US law? I mean, people/companys/etc outside the US aren't effected by this stuff are they? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tanner at real-time.com Tue Jun 10 14:34:41 2003 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCO code in Linux In-Reply-To: <200306101314.15528.jspinti@dartdist.com> References: <200306101314.15528.jspinti@dartdist.com> Message-ID: <200306101434.41435@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Tuesday 10 June 2003 01:14 pm, James Spinti wrote: > Just saw this one: > > http://www.wininformant.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=39258 > > Any informed comments? "And how will the community bounce back from these claims of illegitimacy when the very process under which Linux is created fosters and even promotes theft?" Assume the above is true. Won't it be ironic if the person who copied the code into Linux was a SCO/Caldera (ex)employee? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Tue Jun 10 14:35:26 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCO code in Linux In-Reply-To: <200306101432.03525@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <200306101314.15528.jspinti@dartdist.com> <200306101432.03525@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <50666.63.137.56.228.1055273726.squirrel@dccmn.com> I suppose you could get them extradited to the US... But this is more a civil issue, not criminal. Bob Tanner said: > On Tuesday 10 June 2003 01:14 pm, James Spinti wrote: >> Just saw this one: >> >> http://www.wininformant.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=39258 >> >> Any informed comments? > > If there is Unix code in Linux, are people just breaking US law? I mean, > people/companys/etc outside the US aren't effected by this stuff are > they? > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Pradeep.Sadanapalli at med.ge.com Tue Jun 10 14:45:43 2003 From: Pradeep.Sadanapalli at med.ge.com (Sadanapalli, Pradeep Kumar (MED, TCS)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCO code in Linux Message-ID: <2DE78F33FFE0D3118C0200508B94F9CA1DC721C7@uswaumsx08medge.med.ge.com> What happens if it is proved that code from SCO found way into linux? What are the results? Will there be any serious threat to the future of linux? I am curious to know... -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Johnson [mailto:waynej@dccmn.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 2:15 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [TCLUG] SCO code in Linux Might even be because one of the SCO people contributed to the Linux code. But I think this has all been hashed out before. Basically, it proves nothing. Mike Hicks said: > Not much can be said yet about SCO's claims yet. The analysts who have > seen the examples of supposed theft are under non-disclosure agreements, > so they can't talk much about it. Slashdot reported that SCO's evidence > is just 80 lines of code, which is not even a drop in the bucket of > Linux source (something in the neighborhood of 2500000 lines). > > A thought I just had: it's possible that both chunks of code look the > same because the authors were working from a reference implementation of > a driver or other idea. Maybe the actual origin of the source code is > the public domain... > > -- > _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ The computer made me do it > / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ > \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) > [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jspinti at dartdist.com Tue Jun 10 15:28:59 2003 From: jspinti at dartdist.com (James Spinti) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCO code in Linux In-Reply-To: <2DE78F33FFE0D3118C0200508B94F9CA1DC721C7@uswaumsx08medge.med.ge.com> References: <2DE78F33FFE0D3118C0200508B94F9CA1DC721C7@uswaumsx08medge.med.ge.com> Message-ID: <200306101528.59487.jspinti@dartdist.com> On Tuesday 10 June 2003 02:45 pm, Sadanapalli, Pradeep Kumar (MED, TCS) wrote: > What happens if it is proved that code from SCO found way into linux? > What are the results? Will there be > any serious threat to the future of linux? I am curious to know... Assuming it is true (and that it did not come from Caldera/SCO itself), which is EXTREMELY doubtful: Worst case scenario -- SCO sues everybody who runs Linux, if they can find enough lawyers and courtrooms :) Or they require the distros to pay a royalty fee for every download/purchase Likely scenario: they rewrite the sections of the kernel in question. I don't see any of the major players -- IBM, RH, Suse, Mandrake, Oracle (and to a lesser extent HP, Dell) -- backing down from their pushing/offering of Linux. The most recent e-week had a full ad on the back cover for Oracle on Linux and the entire middle double page of the latest ComputerWorld and Infoworld both had a Linux ad for IBM That tells me they aren't too worried. -- Thanks, James Spinti jspinti at dartdist dot com 952-368-3278 ext 396 fax 952-368-3255 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jonathon at quotidian.org Tue Jun 10 15:35:08 2003 From: jonathon at quotidian.org (Jonathon Jongsma) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Mozilla on Mandrake 9.1 Message-ID: >Does it pop them up in a new window? or a new tab? > >hint: tab would be the right answer :) This is configurable with firebird. I've got it set to open in tabs right now, so I know it can be done. You may have to use about:config (this may also be possible with regular mozilla using about:config, I'm not sure) Jonathon _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From Pradeep.Sadanapalli at med.ge.com Tue Jun 10 16:06:24 2003 From: Pradeep.Sadanapalli at med.ge.com (Sadanapalli, Pradeep Kumar (MED, TCS)) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where to look for Linux Vulverabilities? Message-ID: <2DE78F33FFE0D3118C0200508B94F9CA1DC724DE@uswaumsx08medge.med.ge.com> Hi, Can anyone suggest me a place to look for, which lists all the latest linux vulnerabilities detected and the patches to apply, any bugs reported and their solutions..? Is there any website that keeps upto date about this? Please suggest me...!! Thanks in advance... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drue at therub.org Tue Jun 10 16:15:52 2003 From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where to look for Linux Vulverabilities? In-Reply-To: <2DE78F33FFE0D3118C0200508B94F9CA1DC724DE@uswaumsx08medge.med.ge.com> References: <2DE78F33FFE0D3118C0200508B94F9CA1DC724DE@uswaumsx08medge.med.ge.com> Message-ID: <20030610211552.GA17673@therub.org> Cert is a good place to start (www.cert.org). Get on their advisory mailing list. Of course, you're going to get a lot of notices for software that you're not running. Most distros have their own security announcement lists. If you're really into tracking vulnerabilities, get on bugtraq at www.securityfocus.com. warning: bugtraq is high volume. The last thing you should do is be on announcement lists for specific software that you frequently use. Dan On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 04:06:24PM -0500, Sadanapalli, Pradeep Kumar (MED, TCS) wrote: > Hi, > Can anyone suggest me a place to look for, which lists all the latest > linux vulnerabilities detected and the patches to apply, any bugs > reported and their solutions..? Is there any website that keeps upto > date about this? Please suggest me...!! Thanks in advance... > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From dsherman at real-time.com Tue Jun 10 16:20:30 2003 From: dsherman at real-time.com (Dave Sherman) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where to look for Linux Vulverabilities? In-Reply-To: <2DE78F33FFE0D3118C0200508B94F9CA1DC724DE@uswaumsx08medge.med.ge.com> References: <2DE78F33FFE0D3118C0200508B94F9CA1DC724DE@uswaumsx08medge.med.ge.com> Message-ID: <3EE64B9E.9010607@real-time.com> Sadanapalli, Pradeep Kumar (MED, TCS) wrote: > Hi, > Can anyone suggest me a place to look for, which lists all the latest > linux vulnerabilities detected and the patches to apply, any bugs > reported and their solutions..? Is there any website that keeps upto > date about this? Please suggest me...!! Thanks in advance... Pradeep, Most Linux distributions maintain their own lists of available software patches and updates, which are tested against their own base installation to ensure compatibility. Furthermore, the better distros include automated update programs that will notify you an update is available, or even do the update automatically without your interaction. Finally, most distros maintain web pages with the above-mentioned lists of updates and patches, so you can view the lists yourself, and determine whether you need to download and install any updates. -- Dave Sherman MCSE, MCSA, CCNA "Windows NT was supposed to hit Unix hard (it did - like a bug hitting a windshield)...." - Andrew Grygus, aaxnet.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Tue Jun 10 20:09:11 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where to look for Linux Vulverabilities? In-Reply-To: <20030610211552.GA17673@therub.org> References: <2DE78F33FFE0D3118C0200508B94F9CA1DC724DE@uswaumsx08medge.med.ge.com> <20030610211552.GA17673@therub.org> Message-ID: <20030611010911.GM18483@techmonkeys.org> On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 04:15:52PM -0500, Dan Rue wrote: > Cert is a good place to start (www.cert.org). Get on their advisory > mailing list. Of course, you're going to get a lot of notices for > software that you're not running. > You might as well be reading google groups archives for last year if you're getting your security info from CERT =) -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ston0235 at umn.edu Tue Jun 10 20:39:33 2003 From: ston0235 at umn.edu (Ian Stoner) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:17 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Samba problem: NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED Message-ID: <20030610203933.0bb1a4c2.ston0235@umn.edu> Hi Folks, I'm fairly new to both Minneapolis and Linux. I figured I'd introduce myself to the list with a shameless request for help. I'm fruitlessly trying to print via CUPS and Samba to printer connected to a Win 2K box named agrippa. I think have traced the problem (or maybe *a* problem) to anonymous Samba connections. I'm not even sure if this is the sort of thing that requires changes to Windows or Linux, but I suspect Linux, because I can print from a Win2K laptop to agrippa just fine. General information: I can access Linux samba shares from agrippa. I can mount agrippa's fileshares from Linux. I can use smbclient to connect to agrippa as a user as follows: istoner@goodmanbrown:~$ smbclient -L agrippa -U istoner added interface ip=192.168.0.3 bcast=192.168.0.255 nmask=255.255.255.0 Password: Domain=[ENNUI] OS=[Windows 5.0] Server=[Windows 2000 LAN Manager] Sharename Type Comment --------- ---- ------- public Disk E$ Disk Default share c drive Disk IPC$ IPC Remote IPC D$ Disk Default share print$ Disk Printer Drivers grad school Disk download Disk Save Disk Downloads Disk d drive Disk ADMIN$ Disk Remote Admin C$ Disk Default share printer Printer Samsung ML-1430 Series Server Comment --------- ------- Workgroup Master --------- ------- I have configured CUPS to print via samba to the windows printer at smb://agrippa/printer, but it doesn't work, thanks to the following error: istoner@goodmanbrown:~$ tail /var/log/cups/error_log E [10/Jun/2003:19:45:21 -0500] Unable to connect to SAMBA host, will retry in 60 seconds...: Success E [10/Jun/2003:19:46:21 -0500] SMB tree connect failed: NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED E [10/Jun/2003:19:46:21 -0500] Unable to connect to SAMBA host, will retry in 60 seconds...: Success E [10/Jun/2003:19:47:21 -0500] SMB tree connect failed: NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED E [10/Jun/2003:19:47:21 -0500] Unable to connect to SAMBA host, will retry in 60 seconds...: Success And, what I suspect is a different symptom of the same problem, I cannot connect to agrippa anonymously, as follows: istoner@goodmanbrown:~$ smbclient -L agrippa -N added interface ip=192.168.0.3 bcast=192.168.0.255 nmask=255.255.255.0 Anonymous login successful Domain=[ENNUI] OS=[Windows 5.0] Server=[Windows 2000 LAN Manager] Sharename Type Comment --------- ---- ------- Error returning browse list: NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED Server Comment --------- ------- Workgroup Master --------- ------- What do I need to do to allow CUPS print jobs to get through to the Windows 2000 printer? If anyone has had a similar problem, and can point me to some helpful documentation, or recount your troubleshooting experiences, I would much appreciate it. If there is more helpful diagnostic information I can provide, just let me know what it is. Thanks in advance, Ian -- Ian Stoner Philosophy Department University of New Mexico http://www.unm.edu/~istoner/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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See the Berne convention: http://www.law.cornell.edu/treaties/berne/ -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Tue Jun 10 23:21:54 2003 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Where to look for Linux Vulverabilities? In-Reply-To: <2DE78F33FFE0D3118C0200508B94F9CA1DC724DE@uswaumsx08medge.med.ge.com> References: <2DE78F33FFE0D3118C0200508B94F9CA1DC724DE@uswaumsx08medge.med.ge.com> Message-ID: <200306102321.54549.jack@jacku.com> On Tuesday 10 June 2003 4:06 pm, Sadanapalli, Pradeep Kumar (MED, TCS) wrote: > Hi, > Can anyone suggest me a place to look for, which lists all the latest > linux vulnerabilities detected and the patches to apply, any bugs > reported and their solutions..? Is there any website that keeps upto > date about this? Please suggest me...!! Thanks in advance... Newsforge (http://newsforge.com) publishes a "Linux Advisory Watch" each weekend. It seems to track by application and distro. Haven't looked at it much myself I just see the headline each week on the ticker. -- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mcolivier at earthlink.net Tue Jun 10 12:33:20 2003 From: mcolivier at earthlink.net (mcolivier@earthlink.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SuSE In-Reply-To: <20030609170005.23605.57130.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> References: <20030609170005.23605.57130.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: <200306101227.01509.root <>> On Monday 09 June 2003 12:00, tclug-list-request@mn-linux.org wrote: > More people running SuSE? Just more problems running SuSE? Both? Whatever help you can give is great _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mcolivier at earthlink.net Tue Jun 10 12:45:02 2003 From: mcolivier at earthlink.net (Marc Olivier) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re: tclug-list digest, Vol 1 #2776 - 10 msgs In-Reply-To: <20030609170005.23605.57130.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> References: <20030609170005.23605.57130.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: <200306101245.02725.mcolivier@earthlink.net> On Monday 09 June 2003 12:00, tclug-list-request@mn-linux.org wrote: > From: Bob Tanner > Organization: http://www.mn-linux.org > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 19:16:34 -0500 > Subject: [TCLUG] More people running SuSE? Just more problems running SuSE? > Both? Hello. I have found the following site that may offer help to install a parallel port Zip drive for 100 MB disks. http://sdb.suselinux.hu/en/sdb/html/ke_parport.html It doesn't go into details as to what I should do if I have only one parallel port to begin with, and the Zip drive is daisy chained between a parallel port printer and the machine. I'm running SuSE 8.1 on a AMD machine with multiple USB ports and an internal ATAPI CD-RW (which doesn't burn under Linux but will do fine under Win2K). Where do I find the hardware dependent architecture code for the Zip drive? For a little history, I tried Caldera, and CorelLinux, and couldn't get either loaded. I tried and ran Mandrake (early version) for a while, but didn't get far. I tried SuSE 6.x and was amazed, and have stayed with it. I recently tried Debian and RedHat. I did not finish installing Debian as I couldn't get the graphic display system working like I wanted, and didn't get any farther than that. I have successfully installed Red Hat, but found it didn't include (or I couldn't find) MySQL or PHP, and it, too, would not let me find a Zip Drive nor let me fully utilize my CD burner, so I went back to SuSE 8.1. In regard to the zip drive stuff, I have had suggestions from members of this group, and found they are nearly identical to those on the Iomega site, but they don't work. I think part of the problem is SuSE doesn't like the term 'ppa' but prefers to use 'parport'. This is not fun, so any help on the 'hardware dependent architecture code' as it pertains to parallel port Zip drive, and any help on setting up the CE-RW to actually burn data and music, will be greatly appreciated. Marc _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mcolivier at earthlink.net Tue Jun 10 12:54:49 2003 From: mcolivier at earthlink.net (Marc Olivier) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SuSE. Message-ID: <200306101254.49455.mcolivier@earthlink.net> Another point. I did read the /usr/share/doc/howto stuff on my Zip drive issue; they referred to ziptool. I found a source version of it on the Net, downloaded it via YAST2, which came up automatically (I let this happen without virus checking, like a fool). I run the commands and still nothing happens. I also downloaded something from Iomega called Iomegaware, and it made some obscure references to putting something into the kernel before the software would work. This I don't know how to do. I've run insmod ppa, and it won't take. I've run modprobe imm, modprobe ppa, and modprobe vfat. Modprobe ppa generates errors relating to insmod failure. The other two modprobe commands just return me to the command prompt. I modified /etc/fstab using Vim, and I now have a cute little /mnt/zip icon that just blabs back at me saying "No medium found". There is a usable zip disk in the zip drive, and as far as I know it isn't password protected (it isn't password protected under Windows 2000, and I can't even access it under Linux). It's been a source of frustration. MaRC _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mcolivier at earthlink.net Tue Jun 10 13:14:57 2003 From: mcolivier at earthlink.net (Marc Olivier) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCO and Linux issue In-Reply-To: <20030610195401.1286.49624.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> References: <20030610195401.1286.49624.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: <200306101314.57582.mcolivier@earthlink.net> On Tuesday 10 June 2003 14:54, tclug-list-request@mn-linux.org wrote: > From: James Spinti > Organization: Dart Distributing > To: TCLUG > Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:14:15 -0500 > Subject: [TCLUG] SCO code in Linux > Reply-To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Just saw this one: > > http://www.wininformant.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=39258 > > Any informed comments? For my two cents worth, based partially on sheer speculation, I would say that I suspect IBM mainframes are being used in sensitive business and governement areas, and attempting to bankrupt IBM and 1499 other major firms based on copyright infringement in this manner may backfire in this case. After all, in a perfect world, from their perspective, they would either get their money or get Linux taken off many, many machines. This isn't a perfect world anymore, they had the code, they let it get away from them, they didn't put up a fuss for HOW MANY YEARS? and now that Linux is firmly embedded into the electronic infrastructure that runs major segments of government and business, they want it all to JUST STOP, just like that? I don't think so. This isn't even in the same league as what M$ has been doing for a generation now. I remember Amazon.com one some suit against Barnes and Nobles (I think) about doing one click to get from place to place in a web site vs. two clicks, but I also remember a guy who filed a patent on something similar prior to Amazon.com's existence, concerning something even more basic, and he lost his suit. I have no idea if it was really because he didn't hire the right lawyers, but I do remember the judges saying that the patent was on something so basic that it could not hold up in today's reality. I am not a lawyer, but if I was, I would do research on both these cases, because I sincerly believe attacking Linux in this way, at this time, by these entities (SCO and Microsoft) is an attack on the public good. Marc _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Wed Jun 11 05:31:10 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Zip and CD-RW help from tclug digest..... In-Reply-To: <200306101245.02725.mcolivier@earthlink.net> References: <20030609170005.23605.57130.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> <200306101245.02725.mcolivier@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20030611053110.13a7fa6b.sfertch@real-time.com> On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:45:02 -0500 Marc Olivier wrote: > It doesn't go into details as to what I should do if I have only one > parallel port to begin with, and the Zip drive is daisy chained > between a parallel port printer and the machine. I'm running SuSE 8.1 > on a AMD machine with multiple USB ports and an internal ATAPI CD-RW > (which doesn't burn under Linux but will do fine under Win2K). > > Where do I find the hardware dependent architecture code for the Zip > drive? > Try unplugging your printer from the Zip drive and see if you can do a "modprobe imm" and get your Zip drive to work. You "may" need to reboot before it works. Something tells me that there's an incompatibility issue between the Zip drive code and having the printer and Zip drive daisy chained. Knowing that they were daisy chained from the start would have helped initially. Not sure where to find the specific pieces for the Zip drive within code. Sorry. > This is not fun, so any help on the 'hardware dependent architecture > code' as it pertains to parallel port Zip drive, and any help on > setting up the CE-RW to actually burn data and music, will be greatly > appreciated. > As to the burner, try the following command and see if you get any information back: cdrecord -scanbus Is your burner ATAPI? If so, you need to make sure that you have scsi emulation setup. Did you read through the How-To for cd burning that I referenced in a previous e-mail? It's very insightful on this subject. Here it is again, in case you missed it: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/CD-Writing-HOWTO.html -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From garay002 at tc.umn.edu Wed Jun 11 14:23:12 2003 From: garay002 at tc.umn.edu (Rodney) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Re-installing LILO - Done In-Reply-To: <1054914840.7688.1162.camel@3po.thodt.net> References: <3EE0A089.2010801@tc.umn.edu> <1054914840.7688.1162.camel@3po.thodt.net> Message-ID: <3EE781A0.6060300@tc.umn.edu> Mike Hicks wrote: >On Fri, 2003-06-06 at 09:09, Rodney wrote: > > >>My new Maxtor master hd is dying. A new one is coming in the mail and >>"oh joy!" I get to 1) save data to the slave drive 2)ground myself and >>swap hd 3)format hd and install Win98 and all drivers and software and >>updates (THAT is a PAIN in the ass!). The problem is that when I do >>that I'll lose LILO and therefore access to the slave drive/Linux. >> >> > >Are you getting a replacement that is the same make/model? If so, the >drive should be the same size, so you can do the "Ghetto Ghost" trick of >something like > > dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb bs=64k > >assuming that you have the old drive as master, and the new one as >slave.. > >This *should* also work if the new drive is bigger (but you'd only want >to do this if there is only a small difference in size -- otherwise you >could be wasting valuable space) > > > I didn't want to monkey around with the hd cable - detaching the slave and attaching the new to the slave plug and copying... who knows what since the bad hd might have had 'rotten' data. Then re-attaching the hds to their right places.... sounded like skirting too close to disaster for me. XOSLDOS was another suggestion but when I got to the part in the doc about creating partitions I didn't much care for going that route w/o having done it before. I decided to install Win98 and then follow the suggestion of using LOADLIN to re-install LILO. Things went well and somewhere along the way someone suggested that I should just put Mandrake disk 1 in and go in rescue mode. I did and it re-installed LILO. That was 10 minutes ago and here I am in Linux again. Someone in MandrakeExpert helped me with getting the cd to work. Thank you all for your help and suggestions. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david.blevins at visi.com Thu Jun 12 01:55:46 2003 From: david.blevins at visi.com (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCO code in Linux In-Reply-To: <1055271929.10862.41.camel@3po.thodt.net> References: <200306101314.15528.jspinti@dartdist.com> <1055271929.10862.41.camel@3po.thodt.net> Message-ID: <20030612065546.GA8648@isis.visi.com> On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 02:05:28PM -0500, Mike Hicks wrote: > A thought I just had: it's possible that both chunks of code look the > same because the authors were working from a reference implementation of > a driver or other idea. Maybe the actual origin of the source code is > the public domain... I had that thought as well. How does one prove their version came first? What kind of evidence do the courts accept in situations like these? -David _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jack at jacku.com Thu Jun 12 08:09:48 2003 From: jack at jacku.com (jack@jacku.com) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] LUG's in the Community Message-ID: <1305.206.9.230.2.1055423388.squirrel@mail.zoper.com> Interesting story from Robin Miller of NewsForge. Deals with a group of LUGers from Fort Myers helping some fellow LUGers in Miami setup an LTSP lab at a Miami Learning Center. http://newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=03/06/11/2022224 Enjoy Jack ------- Jack Ungerleider jack@jacku.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbrowne at attbi.com Thu Jun 12 08:21:50 2003 From: mbrowne at attbi.com (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCO code in Linux References: <200306101314.15528.jspinti@dartdist.com> <1055271929.10862.41.camel@3po.thodt.net> <20030612065546.GA8648@isis.visi.com> Message-ID: <005a01c330e5$abfc7980$1e02a8c0@zippy> Release dates of open source software and direct comparison of the code in question. SCO will be depending on keeping this stuff under wraps to keep this exact thing from happening. It is vital that they control courtroom presentation of anything not supportive of their point of view, even if it is the truth. Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Blevins" To: Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:55 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] SCO code in Linux On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 02:05:28PM -0500, Mike Hicks wrote: > A thought I just had: it's possible that both chunks of code look the > same because the authors were working from a reference implementation of > a driver or other idea. Maybe the actual origin of the source code is > the public domain... >I had that thought as well. How does one prove their version came first? >What kind of evidence do the courts accept in situations like these? >-David _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Thu Jun 12 09:20:05 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [Announcement] Open Source Seminar Message-ID: <20030612142005.GA9980@fandre.com> Getting Ready for the Open Source Revolution by Dan McCreary President of Dan McCreary & Associates Wednesday the twenty-fifth of June 2003 We invite you to help us shape the future of IT. Join us at this new forum exclusively for IT executives. Nationally recognized speakers will present insights on current issues relevant to information technology. 7:30 - 9:30 a.m. University of Minnesota McNamara Alumni Center 200 Oak Street S.E. Minneapolis Minnesota Cost: $25 More information here: http://www.cce.umn.edu/advanceIT/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From totechit at attbi.com Wed Jun 11 13:59:34 2003 From: totechit at attbi.com (Allan Shaw) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] srpms.iso vs i386.iso Message-ID: You stated easy question but Im unclear as of the difference after reading that you have it installed. Im am try to install the srpms.iso from cd Images I burned (ISO) after the download and it-- after review doesnt have the bootdisk.img or the images file on disk 1. So I thought that this file may not be COMPATIBLE. I have Gigabyte KT400 board AMD XP 2100 Processor and Samsung CD R/W.So Im now downloading the I386 .iso is this neccessary totechit@attbi.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Mon Jun 9 08:01:12 2003 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (webmaster@mn-linux.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A new classified ad at TCLUG Classifieds Message-ID: <200306091301.h59D1CU07329@crusader.real-time.com> A new TCLUG classified ad at was placed Mon Jun 9 08:01:12 2003. Name: Chuck Hanson Ad: I have 4 of these drives - all in working order. Originated from a Compaq Proliant in 1996. The CD-ROM is from the same server... 1996 vintage. E-Mails are the best way to contact ... To view this and other ads at TCLUG Classifieds, please visit: http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From webmaster at mn-linux.org Mon Jun 9 23:19:02 2003 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (webmaster@mn-linux.org) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A new classified ad at TCLUG Classifieds Message-ID: <200306100419.h5A4J2m21503@crusader.real-time.com> A new TCLUG classified ad at was placed Mon Jun 9 23:19:01 2003. Name: Dylan Brandt Ad: I am wanting $300 for everything, don't know much about it. It also comes with many video cards, hard drives, network cards, scsi hard drives, ribbons, older memory and some other things. All goes. To view this and other ads at TCLUG Classifieds, please visit: http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Jun 12 10:19:00 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] RedCarpet problems with RedHat 9 In-Reply-To: <2DE78F33FFE0D3118C0200508B94F9CA1DD4F723@uswaumsx08medge.med.ge.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Sadanapalli, Pradeep Kumar (MED, TCS) wrote: > I have installed red-carpet-2.0.1-0.ximian.6.1 and > rcd-1.4.2-0.ximian.6.2 on RedHat 9. When I executed red-carpet, > initially it opened with 'updates' tab and says the system is upto > date. Then when I clicked on "Refresh" , it displays an error message > " Unable to download channel data: Attempt to download the channel > list failed: File Not Found - > http://red-carpet.ximian.com/channels.xml.gz (fault-611) " > > I have my network up and the proxy server setup properly and rcd > daemon running. I don't know what is going wrong? Ximian's being killed right now because of the XD2 release. At least, I'm not able to reach them with Red Carpet on a test box, either. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Thu Jun 12 10:57:29 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] srpms.iso vs i386.iso In-Reply-To: ; from totechit@attbi.com on Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 01:59:34PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20030612105729.C21334@thinkunix.net> this is the first I've seen of this thread, but if you're talking about RedHat, the i386 ISOs contain the binary (compiled and ready to run) program packages. You need to install using this disk. the SRPM ISOs contain _source_ (hence the S in SRPM) packages. You would uses these if you wanted to examine the source code for a program or wanted to rebuild some of the packages with different compile options or something like that. generally a srpm contains the original source tarball from the software's author, patches (some from RedHat, sometimes some from others), and a spec file (instructions for RPM on how to build the binary (i386) version of the package. Allan Shaw wrote: > You stated easy question but Im unclear as of the difference after reading > that you have it installed. Im am try to install the srpms.iso from cd > Images I burned (ISO) after the download and it-- after review doesnt have > the bootdisk.img or the images file on disk 1. So I thought that this file > may not be COMPATIBLE. I have Gigabyte KT400 board AMD XP 2100 Processor and > Samsung CD R/W.So Im now downloading the I386 .iso is this neccessary -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Thu Jun 12 11:29:58 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sudo question Message-ID: <20030612112958.06807cfe.sfertch@real-time.com> I'm not finding an answer to a sudo issue online. I've looked at the sudo website, and a few of the links there, but couldn't find a good answer. Is there a way to block a certain file from being vi'd with sudo? Preferably, I'd rather take away sudo, or at least vi itself out of the sudoers config, but it's not going to happen. I know I can block commands, and set up host aliases, but can one specify file aliases as well to keep them from being modified? Or something along that line? Thanks. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Thu Jun 12 11:45:06 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:18 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sudo question In-Reply-To: <20030612112958.06807cfe.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20030612112958.06807cfe.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <200306121145.06264@slushman> On Thursday 12 June 2003 11:29 am, Shawn wrote: > I'm not finding an answer to a sudo issue online. I've looked at the > sudo website, and a few of the links there, but couldn't find a good > answer. Is there a way to block a certain file from being vi'd with sudo? > Preferably, I'd rather take away sudo, or at least vi itself out of the > sudoers config, but it's not going to happen. I know I can block commands, > and set up host aliases, but can one specify file aliases as well to keep > them from being modified? Or something along that line? > > Thanks. not going to work- once you are in vi, you can always open another file. (in other words, you dont always open the file off the command line). There might be a better way to do what you are looking for, what are you trying to prevent? Jay -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Thu Jun 12 11:46:57 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A new classified ad at TCLUG Classifieds In-Reply-To: <200306100419.h5A4J2m21503@crusader.real-time.com> References: <200306100419.h5A4J2m21503@crusader.real-time.com> Message-ID: <200306121146.57751@slushman> On Monday 09 June 2003 11:19 pm, webmaster@mn-linux.org wrote: > A new TCLUG classified ad at was placed Mon Jun 9 23:19:01 2003. > To view this and other ads at TCLUG Classifieds, please visit: > http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi Could it be possible to throw the subject line in as well? The ads posted seem out of context without them. Jay -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Thu Jun 12 12:04:29 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sudo question In-Reply-To: <200306121145.06264@slushman> References: <20030612112958.06807cfe.sfertch@real-time.com> <200306121145.06264@slushman> Message-ID: <20030612120429.6e0970d9.sfertch@real-time.com> On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:45:06 -0500 Jay Kline wrote: > > not going to work- once you are in vi, you can always open another > file. (in other words, you dont always open the file off the command > line). There might be a better way to do what you are looking for, > what are you trying to prevent? > In a nutshell, I want to lock down some files owned by root so that a small amount of people can modify them. Permissions cannot change on the file, nor can uid/gid of ownership. The people who need to modify the files have sudo priviledges. There are two groups defined within sudo, and only one group should have permissions to change the files. I was thinking something along the lines of a stickybit, but not sure if that is the right way. Thus the thought on using sudo.... -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Jun 12 12:09:27 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sudo question In-Reply-To: <20030612120429.6e0970d9.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Shawn wrote: > In a nutshell, I want to lock down some files owned by root so that a > small amount of people can modify them. Permissions cannot change on > the file, nor can uid/gid of ownership. > > The people who need to modify the files have sudo priviledges. There > are two groups defined within sudo, and only one group should have > permissions to change the files. > > I was thinking something along the lines of a stickybit, but not sure > if that is the right way. Thus the thought on using sudo.... If you could find a simple editor that doesn't support opening a file within itself or saving a file as a different name (I think vim has a way to lock itself down like this; not sure), you can specify the paths that people are allowed to edit in the sudoers file. For example: user ALL = NOPASSWD: vim /var/tmp/file -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at belka.space.umn.edu Thu Jun 12 12:25:07 2003 From: crumley at belka.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sudo question In-Reply-To: References: <20030612120429.6e0970d9.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030612122507.A14016@baker.space.umn.edu> On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 12:09:27PM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Shawn wrote: > > In a nutshell, I want to lock down some files owned by root so that a > > small amount of people can modify them. Permissions cannot change on > > the file, nor can uid/gid of ownership. > > If you could find a simple editor that doesn't support opening a file > within itself or saving a file as a different name (I think vim has a way > to lock itself down like this; not sure), you can specify the paths that > people are allowed to edit in the sudoers file. For example: rvi[m] will stop execution of the shell, but it still allows opening up other files. How about avoiding sudo althogether? Just makeup a new group for the files in question and keep them owned by root. Then allow writing the files by group members and add the right people to the new group. Then they can open the file in whatever editor they want, but they shouldn't be able to change the the permissions on the files. Or won't the program in question let you change the group on the files? -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) crumley@fields.space.umn.edu |Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons |Dmitry's free,Jon's next? http://faircopyright.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Thu Jun 12 14:02:09 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sudo question In-Reply-To: <20030612122507.A14016@baker.space.umn.edu> References: <20030612120429.6e0970d9.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030612122507.A14016@baker.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20030612140209.4c7aaa3f.sfertch@real-time.com> On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 12:25:07 -0500 Jim Crumley wrote: > rvi[m] will stop execution of the shell, but it still allows > opening up other files. > > How about avoiding sudo althogether? Just makeup a new group for > the files in question and keep them owned by root. Then allow > writing the files by group members and add the right people to > the new group. Then they can open the file in whatever editor > they want, but they shouldn't be able to change the the > permissions on the files. Or won't the program in question let > you change the group on the files? > More like application development reasons. They (developers) need sudo permissions to modify files owned by root. These are non system files, only ones used by the applications. As to how many, I'm not sure of the exact count, I'd say literally could be up to or over 1000 per system and over 100 servers. Why are they developing apps that require root priviledges/file ownership I don't know. I've tried explaining numerous times to various people, and I keep getting the "because it needs it" explanation. Something about the way it ties into the system IIRC. It runs as a non root user, so why does it require this? They also need sudo to run builds and do compiles supposedly. I've looked at the sudo log, and can't really see a validity to these claims. Oracle installs and runs as oracle, except for a finishing script which requires root.... Well, I was hoping to avoid this debate if possible. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Thu Jun 12 14:04:29 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A new classified ad at TCLUG Classifieds In-Reply-To: <200306121146.57751@slushman> References: <200306100419.h5A4J2m21503@crusader.real-time.com> <200306121146.57751@slushman> Message-ID: <20030612140429.06295c1b.sfertch@real-time.com> On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:46:57 -0500 Jay Kline wrote: > On Monday 09 June 2003 11:19 pm, webmaster@mn-linux.org wrote: > > A new TCLUG classified ad at was placed Mon Jun 9 23:19:01 2003. > > > > > To view this and other ads at TCLUG Classifieds, please visit: > > http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi > > Could it be possible to throw the subject line in as well? The ads > posted seem out of context without them. > Good idea. Any chance of putting a location of the ad in there as well? ie: for sale/trade/wanted/etc..... -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Thu Jun 12 15:27:49 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] scp Message-ID: <001e01c33121$17ef0cd0$020a0a0a@DELL2> I want to use scp to transfer a number of log files from different hosts to my server on a daily basis . So far, the docs I have found only give examples of usernames from the command line. I need to do the username and password so I can schedule a script to run each night. Is there a way to do this? Raymond ------------- Defeat is a matter of choice. --God _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at andersonfam.org Thu Jun 12 15:36:36 2003 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] scp In-Reply-To: <001e01c33121$17ef0cd0$020a0a0a@DELL2> References: <001e01c33121$17ef0cd0$020a0a0a@DELL2> Message-ID: <3EE8E454.1090104@andersonfam.org> You could use ssh's public-key authentication for this...of course you would have to generate your keys without a passphrase, which ideally isn't the most secure way to do it, but it's probably more secure than putting the passwords in a cleartext script. -Erik Raymond Norton wrote: > I want to use scp to transfer a number of log files from different hosts to > my server on a daily basis . So far, the docs I have found only give > examples of usernames from the command line. I need to do the username and > password so I can schedule a script to run each night. Is there a way to do > this? > > > Raymond > ------------- > > Defeat is a matter of choice. > > --God > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kremer at ringworld.org Thu Jun 12 15:40:44 2003 From: kremer at ringworld.org (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] scp In-Reply-To: <001e01c33121$17ef0cd0$020a0a0a@DELL2> Message-ID: How about using a key instead of a password? On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Raymond Norton wrote: > I want to use scp to transfer a number of log files from different hosts to > my server on a daily basis . So far, the docs I have found only give > examples of usernames from the command line. I need to do the username and > password so I can schedule a script to run each night. Is there a way to do > this? > > > Raymond > ------------- > > Defeat is a matter of choice. > > --God > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > ------------- Justin Kremer "One likes to believe in the freedom of music, But glittering prizes and endless compromises Shatter the illusion of integrity." - Rush "The Spirit of Radio" (1980) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Thu Jun 12 15:46:04 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] scp References: Message-ID: <002e01c33123$a4477a30$020a0a0a@DELL2> I am looking for docs on this. Any good links for a newbie? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Kremer" To: Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] scp > How about using a key instead of a password? > > On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Raymond Norton wrote: > > > I want to use scp to transfer a number of log files from different hosts to > > my server on a daily basis . So far, the docs I have found only give > > examples of usernames from the command line. I need to do the username and > > password so I can schedule a script to run each night. Is there a way to do > > this? > > > > > > Raymond > > ------------- > > > > Defeat is a matter of choice. > > > > --God > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > ------------- > Justin Kremer > > "One likes to believe in the freedom of music, > But glittering prizes and endless compromises > Shatter the illusion of integrity." > - Rush "The Spirit of Radio" (1980) > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Thu Jun 12 15:48:05 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] scp Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE0C5@mail.temgweb.com> Use the .ssh/authorized_keys file. On your source machine, use ssh-keygen to generate yourself a key, put it in your .ssh directory. Take the text of the public key, and place it in the .ssh/authorized_keys file under the user account on your target machine. scp logs/*.log user@10.1.1.1:/home/user/logs/ It won't ask you for a password as the key will match. > -----Original Message----- > From: Justin Kremer [mailto:kremer@ringworld.org] > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 3:41 PM > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] scp > > > How about using a key instead of a password? > > On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Raymond Norton wrote: > > > I want to use scp to transfer a number of log files from > different hosts to > > my server on a daily basis . So far, the docs I have found > only give > > examples of usernames from the command line. I need to do > the username and > > password so I can schedule a script to run each night. Is > there a way to do > > this? > > > > > > Raymond > > ------------- > > > > Defeat is a matter of choice. > > > > --God > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > ------------- > Justin Kremer > > "One likes to believe in the freedom of music, > But glittering prizes and endless compromises > Shatter the illusion of integrity." > - Rush "The Spirit of Radio" (1980) > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From list at slushpupie.com Thu Jun 12 15:58:13 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] scp In-Reply-To: <002e01c33123$a4477a30$020a0a0a@DELL2> References: <002e01c33123$a4477a30$020a0a0a@DELL2> Message-ID: <200306121558.13995@slushman> The oreilly book on the subject is very helpful. But the quick and dirty is this: on the remote machine, make sure the users home directory contains the .ssh dir on the local macine do this: user@local $ ssh-keygen -t rsa #you can optionally specify other key types if you wish Generating public/private rsa key pair Enter file in which to save the key (/home/user/.ssh/id_rsa): #default ok Enter passphrase (empty for no passphrase): #just hit enter Enter the same passphrase again: #hit enter again The key fingerprint is: blah blah blah...... user@local $ cat /home/user/.ssh/id_rsa.pub | ssh remote-machine 'cat >> .ssh/authorized_keys' user@remote-machine's password: #enter the password user@local $ ssh remote-machine user@remote-machine $ #No password this time! If that dosnt work, check the permissions of the authorized_keys file (should be 600 or rw-------). Jay On Thursday 12 June 2003 03:46 pm, Raymond Norton wrote: > I am looking for docs on this. Any good links for a newbie? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Justin Kremer" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 3:40 PM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] scp > > > How about using a key instead of a password? > > > > On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Raymond Norton wrote: > > > I want to use scp to transfer a number of log files from different > > > hosts > > to > > > > my server on a daily basis . So far, the docs I have found only give > > > examples of usernames from the command line. I need to do the username > > and > > > > password so I can schedule a script to run each night. Is there a way > > > to > > do > > > > this? > > > > > > > > > Raymond > > > ------------- > > > > > > Defeat is a matter of choice. > > > > > > --God > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > ------------- > > Justin Kremer > > > > "One likes to believe in the freedom of music, > > But glittering prizes and endless compromises > > Shatter the illusion of integrity." > > - Rush "The Spirit of Radio" (1980) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From xpoverby at attbi.com Wed Jun 11 16:01:19 2003 From: xpoverby at attbi.com (Paul Overby) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Munich Germany switchs to Linux Message-ID: <3EE7989F.4050502@attbi.com> 14,000 desktops running Linux I though it was pretty exciting. Can't believe this hasn't made the list http://stalin.iodynamics.com/education/munich.html Lists a number of sites running the story _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david.blevins at visi.com Thu Jun 12 18:26:56 2003 From: david.blevins at visi.com (David Blevins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCO code in Linux In-Reply-To: <005a01c330e5$abfc7980$1e02a8c0@zippy> References: <200306101314.15528.jspinti@dartdist.com> <1055271929.10862.41.camel@3po.thodt.net> <20030612065546.GA8648@isis.visi.com> <005a01c330e5$abfc7980$1e02a8c0@zippy> Message-ID: <20030612232656.GA19874@isis.visi.com> Right, it's easy to prove dates in regards to open source software, the world at large can verify the claim. But both parties must verify the date and origin of "their" code. How can SCO do this? -David On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 08:21:50AM -0500, Mark Browne wrote: > Release dates of open source software and direct comparison of the code in > question. SCO will be depending on keeping this stuff under wraps to keep > this exact thing from happening. It is vital that they control courtroom > presentation of anything not supportive of their point of view, even if it > is the truth. > > Mark Browne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Blevins" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:55 AM > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] SCO code in Linux > > > On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 02:05:28PM -0500, Mike Hicks wrote: > > A thought I just had: it's possible that both chunks of code look the > > same because the authors were working from a reference implementation of > > a driver or other idea. Maybe the actual origin of the source code is > > the public domain... > > >I had that thought as well. How does one prove their version came first? > >What kind of evidence do the courts accept in situations like these? > > >-David > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Thu Jun 12 19:15:23 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:19 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Beer Meeting Friday! Message-ID: Late post; page was just updated... --- snip --- A TCLUG beer meeting is a bi-weekly get-together where TCLUG members can get to know one another and share a beer. The beer meetings are open to anyone and everyone, so don't be afraid to show up. When: Friday, June 13, 2003 6pm - 8pm Where: Billy's On Grand 857 Grand Ave Saint Paul, MN 55105-3398 Phone: (651) 292-9140 Details: By request. I've never been here and have no idea what to say about it. --- snip --- Hope to see you there! Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Thu Jun 12 19:15:23 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [TCLUG-ANNOUNCE] Beer Meeting Friday! Message-ID: Late post; page was just updated... --- snip --- A TCLUG beer meeting is a bi-weekly get-together where TCLUG members can get to know one another and share a beer. The beer meetings are open to anyone and everyone, so don't be afraid to show up. When: Friday, June 13, 2003 6pm - 8pm Where: Billy's On Grand 857 Grand Ave Saint Paul, MN 55105-3398 Phone: (651) 292-9140 Details: By request. I've never been here and have no idea what to say about it. --- snip --- Hope to see you there! Jima _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Announcements - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-announce mailing list tclug-announce@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-announce _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Thu Jun 12 20:33:01 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] scp In-Reply-To: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE0C5@mail.temgweb.com> References: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE0C5@mail.temgweb.com> Message-ID: <20030613013301.GA2758@fandre.com> I'd also check out rsync to save bandwidth, epecially if you are transferring the same log file with only additions to it. rsync only transfers the deltas of the files and can use ssh as the transport, including your ssh keys everyone just told you about. On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Austad, Jay wrote: > Use the .ssh/authorized_keys file. > > On your source machine, use ssh-keygen to generate yourself a key, put it in > your .ssh directory. Take the text of the public key, and place it in the > .ssh/authorized_keys file under the user account on your target machine. > > scp logs/*.log user@10.1.1.1:/home/user/logs/ > > It won't ask you for a password as the key will match. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Justin Kremer [mailto:kremer@ringworld.org] > > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 3:41 PM > > To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] scp > > > > > > How about using a key instead of a password? > > > > On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Raymond Norton wrote: > > > > > I want to use scp to transfer a number of log files from > > different hosts to > > > my server on a daily basis . So far, the docs I have found > > only give > > > examples of usernames from the command line. I need to do > > the username and > > > password so I can schedule a script to run each night. Is > > there a way to do > > > this? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From david at acz.org Thu Jun 12 23:00:53 2003 From: david at acz.org (David Phillips) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sudo question References: <20030612120429.6e0970d9.sfertch@real-time.com><20030612122507.A14016@baker.space.umn.edu> <20030612140209.4c7aaa3f.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <005e01c33160$62aea520$0201a8c0@brinstar> Shawn writes: > More like application development reasons. They (developers) need > sudo permissions to modify files owned by root. These are non system > files, only ones used by the applications. As to how many, I'm not > sure of the exact count, I'd say literally could be up to or over > 1000 per system and over 100 servers. Why is it an issue if developers have root access on development boxes? -- David Phillips http://david.acz.org/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From duns0014 at umn.edu Fri Jun 13 00:09:05 2003 From: duns0014 at umn.edu (Joe Dunsmore) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] redhat cds Message-ID: <3EE95C71.3080104@umn.edu> Hi, Clay told me I could post this here. I have windows 98se on my computer right now and I was going to install linux on it this summer and double boot. Does anyone have some redhat linux cds I could use to do this? They have all the tools to partition my hard drive so I can dual boot, right? If you're willing to let me borrow these, please email me. thanks. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Fri Jun 13 03:39:59 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] redhat cds In-Reply-To: <3EE95C71.3080104@umn.edu> References: <3EE95C71.3080104@umn.edu> Message-ID: <20030613083959.GM25181@autonomous.tv> On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 12:09:05AM -0500, Joe Dunsmore wrote: >Hi, Clay told me I could post this here. I have windows 98se on my >computer right now and I was going to install linux on it this summer >and double boot. Does anyone have some redhat linux cds I could use to >do this? They have all the tools to partition my hard drive so I can >dual boot, right? If you're willing to let me borrow these, please email >me. thanks. borrow? no. give? yes. We have tons of Linux CD's. What are you I think jima could certainly cough up some RH9 CD sets very quickly. I have some KNOPPIX CD's left. There is a local mirror ftp.mn-linux.org ( thanks Real-Time ) that has lots of distro's. go to http://beer.tclug.org/ if you follow those directions on this day, you will get whatever copy of Linux you want, just let us know what distro you would like...first. :) -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The beer meetings are open to > anyone and everyone, so don't be afraid to show up. > > When: > Friday, June 13, 2003 > 6pm - 8pm > > Where: > Billy's On Grand > 857 Grand Ave > Saint Paul, MN 55105-3398 > Phone: (651) 292-9140 > > Details: > By request. I've never been here and have no idea what to say about it. > --- snip --- > > Hope to see you there! > > Jima > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mthoren at mttcc.com Fri Jun 13 08:23:03 2003 From: mthoren at mttcc.com (Matt Thoren) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] redhat cds References: <3EE95C71.3080104@umn.edu> <20030613083959.GM25181@autonomous.tv> Message-ID: <3EE9D037.3000505@mttcc.com> I too would like to stop by the beer meeting and spend $2 more for 1 more set of rh9 cd's. -- Matt Thoren MTT Computer Consulting Inc. mthoren@mttcc.com http://www.mttcc.com 612-743-8773 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rwh at visi.com Fri Jun 13 08:37:53 2003 From: rwh at visi.com (Richard Hoffbeck) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] SCO code in Linux In-Reply-To: <20030612232656.GA19874@isis.visi.com> References: <200306101314.15528.jspinti@dartdist.com> <1055271929.10862.41.camel@3po.thodt.net> <20030612065546.GA8648@isis.visi.com> <005a01c330e5$abfc7980$1e02a8c0@zippy> <20030612232656.GA19874@isis.visi.com> Message-ID: <3EE9D3B1.7000307@visi.com> I'm sure they've done periodic snapshots of the code base. Most software operations archive the code base for each release. Most commercial unix vendors also ship blocks of source code for various drivers, kernel modules, etc. that would let you do a certain amount of validation that the archive was an accurate representation of the code at the time. The 'origin' is a bit trickier, and it sounds like the code probably had to be written after the whole U of Ca vs AT&T case in the early '90's. The fact that SCO has been unwilling to publically produce the code leads me to suspect that (a) they aren't real confident in their case and (b) their real target is Linux, not IBM. I think their fear is that if they produce supposedly infringing code that it will either be shown not to infringe, or will quickly be replaced in the Linux code base so Linux won't be effected in the long-term. --rick David Blevins wrote: >Right, it's easy to prove dates in regards to open source software, the >world at large can verify the claim. But both parties must verify the >date and origin of "their" code. How can SCO do this? > >-David > >On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 08:21:50AM -0500, Mark Browne wrote: > > >>Release dates of open source software and direct comparison of the code in >>question. SCO will be depending on keeping this stuff under wraps to keep >>this exact thing from happening. It is vital that they control courtroom >>presentation of anything not supportive of their point of view, even if it >>is the truth. >> >>Mark Browne >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "David Blevins" >>To: >>Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:55 AM >>Subject: Re: [TCLUG] SCO code in Linux >> >> >>On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 02:05:28PM -0500, Mike Hicks wrote: >> >> >>>A thought I just had: it's possible that both chunks of code look the >>>same because the authors were working from a reference implementation of >>>a driver or other idea. Maybe the actual origin of the source code is >>>the public domain... >>> >>> >>>I had that thought as well. How does one prove their version came first? >>>What kind of evidence do the courts accept in situations like these? >>> >>> >>>-David >>> >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Jun 13 09:01:30 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] redhat cds In-Reply-To: <3EE9D037.3000505@mttcc.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, Matt Thoren wrote: > I too would like to stop by the beer meeting and spend $2 more for 1 > more set of rh9 cd's. Fair warning, thanks. I'll bring a few copies. For the record: Proceeds are presenting going toward the TCLUG table throw that we premiered at the Upswing Expo. (Brian, what's the status on that?) I'll try to find where the pictures of it went; it doesn't appear they've been published yet. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Fri Jun 13 09:24:48 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] redhat cds In-Reply-To: References: <3EE9D037.3000505@mttcc.com> Message-ID: <20030613142448.GA29815@fandre.com> On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, Jima wrote: > For the record: Proceeds are presenting going toward the TCLUG table > throw that we premiered at the Upswing Expo. (Brian, what's the status on > that?) I'll try to find where the pictures of it went; it doesn't appear > they've been published yet. > Shoot, I knew I was forgetting to do something. As Jima said, we had a throw made up for the TCLUG for special events. Take a look: http://www.mn-linux.org/phpix/?mode=album&album=TCLUG%2Fthrow Since the throw wasn't free we are taking donations to help cover the cost. If you are interest in donating, please send me an email and I can get you more information. -- Clay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Fri Jun 13 10:10:05 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sudo question In-Reply-To: <005e01c33160$62aea520$0201a8c0@brinstar> References: <20030612120429.6e0970d9.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030612122507.A14016@baker.space.umn.edu> <20030612140209.4c7aaa3f.sfertch@real-time.com> <005e01c33160$62aea520$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20030613101005.69f185d6.sfertch@real-time.com> On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 23:00:53 -0500 "David Phillips" wrote: > Shawn writes: > > More like application development reasons. They (developers) need > > sudo permissions to modify files owned by root. These are non > > system files, only ones used by the applications. As to how many, > > I'm not sure of the exact count, I'd say literally could be up to or > > over 1000 per system and over 100 servers. > > Why is it an issue if developers have root access on development > boxes? > They don't have root per se. I've modified the sudoers file to prevent them from shelling out, as well as a number of other things administratively. Yes, there are flaws to sudo and ways around it I know. However, they do not have access to root directly. In a perfect world, development would be without need for sudo, and I could get rid of it altogether. However, it's not going to happen. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From natecars at real-time.com Fri Jun 13 10:32:27 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sudo question In-Reply-To: <005e01c33160$62aea520$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, David Phillips wrote: > Why is it an issue if developers have root access on development > boxes? Some developers (the ones who think they know more about the os than they really do) have a nasty tendancy to break things, badly.. and if you give 'em root, they can also install any additional packages they want without telling the group that admins production, so you go to move the app to production, and all the sudden things break.. lots of reasons not to let the developers have root. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Fri Jun 13 10:39:42 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:20 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sudo question In-Reply-To: References: <005e01c33160$62aea520$0201a8c0@brinstar> Message-ID: <20030613103942.3fde70a1.sfertch@real-time.com> On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:32:27 -0500 (CDT) Nate Carlson wrote: > Some developers (the ones who think they know more about the os than > they really do) have a nasty tendancy to break things, badly.. and if > you give'em root, they can also install any additional packages they > want without telling the group that admins production, so you go to > move the app to production, and all the sudden things break.. lots of > reasons not to let the developers have root. > Exactly the situation here.... -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jun 13 10:46:06 2003 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Sudo question In-Reply-To: <20030612140209.4c7aaa3f.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <20030612120429.6e0970d9.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030612122507.A14016@baker.space.umn.edu> <20030612140209.4c7aaa3f.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <1055519167.11438.22.camel@3po.thodt.net> On Thu, 2003-06-12 at 14:02, Shawn wrote: > Why are they developing apps that require root priviledges/file > ownership I don't know. I've tried explaining numerous times to > various people, and I keep getting the "because it needs it" > explanation. Something about the way it ties into the system IIRC. > It runs as a non root user, so why does it require this? I can understand if a program needs root priviliges (though they should probably look at what priviliges they can drop as the application runs, or the application might be able to switch user after it initializes), but there's no good reason the configuration files, source files, etc. need to be owned by root -- they just need to be readable and writable. > They also need sudo to run builds and do compiles supposedly. I've > looked at the sudo log, and can't really see a validity to these > claims. That's a whole world of bad... Looks to me like you need to exercise your BOFH skills. Find a good LART and have a nice long visit. These developers aren't thinking hard enough. There might be a few reasons to let them do a few things with sudo, but not all of this stuff you're describing. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I got a garage door opener. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ It can't close. Just open. \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030613/608b4f20/attachment.pgp From duns0014 at umn.edu Fri Jun 13 11:12:55 2003 From: duns0014 at umn.edu (Joe Dunsmore) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux cds Message-ID: <200306131612.h5DGCtKu006183@fantasy.software.umn.edu> I might or might not be able to make that beer meeting, probably not today. I suppose I'd like the latest red hat version (I'd get them myself, but I don't have a cd burner), if you think that could detect all the hardware in a computer 3 years old and would work good on 192 megs of ram. If I don't make the meeting, I'll try to make the next or contact someone who replied and meet them seperately. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Fri Jun 13 11:40:45 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] linux cds In-Reply-To: <200306131612.h5DGCtKu006183@fantasy.software.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, Joe Dunsmore wrote: > I might or might not be able to make that beer meeting, probably not today. > I suppose I'd like the latest red hat version (I'd get them myself, but I > don't have a cd burner), if you think that could detect all the hardware in > a computer 3 years old and would work good on 192 megs of ram. If I don't > make the meeting, I'll try to make the next or contact someone who replied > and meet them seperately. Can you make it to the monthly TCLUG meeting tomorrow at EECS? I'll likely be there, too. And yes, I suspect it'd detect most/all of the hardware in such a computer, with few exceptions. (To quote/paraphrase Carl at an Installfest: "You have a very nice Windows box.") Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Fri Jun 13 14:49:05 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A new classified ad at TCLUG Classifieds In-Reply-To: <200306100419.h5A4J2m21503@crusader.real-time.com> References: <200306100419.h5A4J2m21503@crusader.real-time.com> Message-ID: <52217.63.137.56.228.1055533745.squirrel@dccmn.com> I like the new ad distribution, but could someone please place the ad's "subject" in the text as the description sometimes lacks details. Thanks. > A new TCLUG classified ad at was placed Mon Jun 9 23:19:01 2003. > > Name: Dylan Brandt > Ad: I am wanting $300 for everything, don't know much about it. It also > comes with many video cards, hard drives, network cards, scsi hard > drives, ribbons, older memory and some other things. All goes. > > To view this and other ads at TCLUG Classifieds, please visit: > http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Fri Jun 13 15:13:14 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A new classified ad at TCLUG Classifieds In-Reply-To: <20030612140429.06295c1b.sfertch@real-time.com> References: <200306100419.h5A4J2m21503@crusader.real-time.com> <200306121146.57751@slushman> <20030612140429.06295c1b.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030613201314.GB11316@fandre.com> On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Shawn wrote: > > > To view this and other ads at TCLUG Classifieds, please visit: > > > http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi > > > > Could it be possible to throw the subject line in as well? The ads > > posted seem out of context without them. > > Whoops. I must have accidentally deleted that when I removed the phone number... should be fixed now. > Good idea. Any chance of putting a location of the ad in there as well? ie: for sale/trade/wanted/etc..... > Your wish is my command. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From waynej at dccmn.com Fri Jun 13 15:15:41 2003 From: waynej at dccmn.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A new classified ad at TCLUG Classifieds In-Reply-To: <20030613201314.GB11316@fandre.com> References: <200306100419.h5A4J2m21503@crusader.real-time.com> <200306121146.57751@slushman> <20030612140429.06295c1b.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030613201314.GB11316@fandre.com> Message-ID: <53970.63.137.56.228.1055535341.squirrel@dccmn.com> Make SCO disappear. Clay Fandre said: > > Your wish is my command. > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From follower at usfamily.net Fri Jun 13 15:49:07 2003 From: follower at usfamily.net (follower@usfamily.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] knoppix Message-ID: WOW!!! I am using knoppix on a computer in Reno It is Great!!!!!!!! ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From RWARE at INTERPLASTIC.COM Fri Jun 13 16:01:35 2003 From: RWARE at INTERPLASTIC.COM (RWARE@INTERPLASTIC.COM) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] knoppix Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF6237ACA@IPSERVER2> hooray for you. -----Original Message----- From: follower@usfamily.net [mailto:follower@usfamily.net] Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 3:49 PM To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Subject: Re: Re: [TCLUG] knoppix WOW!!! I am using knoppix on a computer in Reno It is Great!!!!!!!! ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbrowne at attbi.com Fri Jun 13 18:57:02 2003 From: mbrowne at attbi.com (Mark Browne) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] A new classified ad at TCLUG Classifieds References: <200306100419.h5A4J2m21503@crusader.real-time.com> <200306121146.57751@slushman> <20030612140429.06295c1b.sfertch@real-time.com> <20030613201314.GB11316@fandre.com> <53970.63.137.56.228.1055535341.squirrel@dccmn.com> Message-ID: <002201c33207$7c40fea0$1e02a8c0@zippy> It already has on any project I will ever be associated with! Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Johnson" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] A new classified ad at TCLUG Classifieds Make SCO disappear. Clay Fandre said: > > Your wish is my command. > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mcolivier at earthlink.net Fri Jun 13 11:48:15 2003 From: mcolivier at earthlink.net (mcolivier@earthlink.net) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Zip drive and CD burner issues Message-ID: <200306130852.00037.Marc Olivier <>> Hello. I'd like to thank Shawn F. @ Real-Time for helping get the burn capability on by CD RW under Linux (the command "cdrecord -scanbus" got my up and running), and lots of folks re: the zip drive issue. I adlibbed some instructions you folks gave me earlier with something I found at the SuSE website. SuSE kernels from versions 2.2.0 and up don't use "ppa" they use "parport". So I did the following: (it wasn't intentional or pretty, but I finally got it to work). After loading and unloading Debian (I got a screenful of error messages), I daisy-chained the printer and the zip drive to the sole parallel port, and reinstalled SuSE, configured it as a dual boot machiine (I got Win2k on the other partition). AFter getting all the stuff on, I went in as root, and at teh command prompt entered STEP 1 modprobe imm modprobe parport (instead of modprobe ppa) modprobe vfat STEP 2 mkdir /mnt/zip100.0 STEP 3 added following line to /etc/fstab (used Vim): /dev/sda4 /mnt/zip100.0 vfat noauto,user 0 0 STEP 4 mount /dev/sda4 /mnt/zip100.0 I now have access to the stuff on my Zip drive. My printe works like I want, too. I can burn CDs. I'm happy once again. Now for being productive with it all. Thanks again. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Fri Jun 13 22:42:42 2003 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] scp References: <002e01c33123$a4477a30$020a0a0a@DELL2> <200306121558.13995@slushman> Message-ID: <001f01c33227$11218a70$6600a8c0@DELL2> > The oreilly book on the subject is very helpful. But the quick and dirty is > this: > > on the remote machine, make sure the users home directory contains the .ssh > dir > > on the local macine do this: > > user@local $ ssh-keygen -t rsa #you can optionally specify other key types > if you wish > Generating public/private rsa key pair > Enter file in which to save the key (/home/user/.ssh/id_rsa): #default ok > Enter passphrase (empty for no passphrase): #just hit enter > Enter the same passphrase again: #hit enter again > The key fingerprint is: > blah blah blah...... > user@local $ cat /home/user/.ssh/id_rsa.pub | ssh remote-machine 'cat >> > .ssh/authorized_keys' > user@remote-machine's password: #enter the password > user@local $ ssh remote-machine > user@remote-machine $ #No password this time! > > If that dosnt work, check the permissions of the authorized_keys file (should > be 600 or rw-------). This worked perfect for a single connection between my server and IPCop box, but I need to make connections from this same server to a number of other boxes. I have tried to generate keys with different names, but it is not working. Is there a certain protocol to follow to make this work? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Fri Jun 13 22:49:34 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Zip drive and CD burner issues In-Reply-To: <200306130852.00037.MarcOlivier<>> References: <200306130852.00037.MarcOlivier<>> Message-ID: <20030613224934.256e0524.sfertch@real-time.com> On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:48:15 -0700 mcolivier@earthlink.net wrote: > Hello. I'd like to thank Shawn F. @ Real-Time for helping get the burn > capability on by CD RW under Linux (the command "cdrecord -scanbus" > got my up and running), and lots of folks re: the zip drive issue. I > adlibbed some instructions you folks gave me earlier with something I > found at the SuSE website. SuSE kernels from versions 2.2.0 and up > don't use "ppa" they use "parport". So I did the following: (it wasn't > intentional or pretty, but I finally got it to work). > Thanks, glad to hear that you got things working. As for helping, I went through it a few days prior with help from fellow LUG'ers, so thanks should really go to them. However, I'm glad to pass on something in the way of knowledge I have. That's what the LUG is here for really IMO. > STEP 1 > modprobe imm > modprobe parport (instead of modprobe ppa) > modprobe vfat > Just out of curiosity, I'm not familiar with parport. Is that something that is required in addition to the imm? I haven't played with a direct connect printer on Linux in ages. Probably not since SuSe 6.x (my second distro load) I'd say. Shortly after that, I bought a JetDirect box for the home network. I'm a Slackware user, and have been since release 7.x, so my SuSe familiarization is has waned quite a bit. Again, glad to hear you got things working. Thanks for putting the steps of what you had to do to get it working, I'm sure it will help others in the future. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nassarmu at redconcepts.net Fri Jun 13 23:32:30 2003 From: nassarmu at redconcepts.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Zip drive and CD burner issues In-Reply-To: <20030613224934.256e0524.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, Shawn wrote: > Just out of curiosity, I'm not familiar with parport. Is that something that is required in addition to the imm? I haven't played with a direct connect printer on Linux in ages. Probably not since SuSe 6.x (my second distro load) I'd say. Shortly after that, I bought a JetDirect box for the home network. parport is the parallel port device driver it is needed for the printer, the imm module is for the ZIP drive Munir Nassar _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sfertch at real-time.com Fri Jun 13 23:41:25 2003 From: sfertch at real-time.com (Shawn) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Zip drive and CD burner issues In-Reply-To: References: <20030613224934.256e0524.sfertch@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20030613234125.2a483009.sfertch@real-time.com> On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 23:32:30 -0500 (CDT) Munir Nassar wrote: > parport is the parallel port device driver it is needed for the > printer, > > the imm module is for the ZIP drive > > Munir Nassar > Thanks, wasn't sure on the parport but knew what imm is. Have an external Zip on one of my servers so I use it regularly. -- Shawn The difficult we do today; the impossible take a little longer. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From follower at usfamily.net Sat Jun 14 00:06:32 2003 From: follower at usfamily.net (Fredrick Fleming) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Does this work? In-Reply-To: <200305150126.38169@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> References: <200305150045.56286@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> <200305150126.38169@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: <3EEAAD58.8090805@usfamily.net> I am use this in Reno. ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik at andersonfam.org Sat Jun 14 09:22:38 2003 From: erik at andersonfam.org (Erik V. Anderson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Does this work? In-Reply-To: <3EEAAD58.8090805@usfamily.net> References: <200305150045.56286@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> <200305150126.38169@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> <3EEAAD58.8090805@usfamily.net> Message-ID: <1055600558.3eeb2faee6fba@webmail.andersonfam.org> Yes. Still works. Quoting Fredrick Fleming : > I am use this in Reno. > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! > ------ > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Erik Anderson - erik@andersonfam.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Sat Jun 14 10:13:31 2003 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] knoppix In-Reply-To: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF6237ACA@IPSERVER2> References: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF6237ACA@IPSERVER2> Message-ID: <52763.192.168.0.3.1055603611.squirrel@trutwins.homeip.net> Heh. You've been tagged as spam... Josh > This mail is probably spam. The original message has been attached > along with this report, so you can recognize or block similar unwanted > mail in future. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. > > Content preview: hooray for you. > > Content analysis details: (5.40 points, 5 required) > NO_REAL_NAME (0.8 points) From: does not include a real name > FROM_NO_LOWER (2.2 points) 'From' has no lower-case characters > RATWARE_GROUPMAIL (2.9 points) Bulk email software fingerprint (Group > Mail) found in headers ORIGINAL_MESSAGE (-0.5 points) Looks like a > reply to a message _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cbidler at innominatus.com Sat Jun 14 10:32:44 2003 From: cbidler at innominatus.com (Chris Johnson Bidler) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:21 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] scp In-Reply-To: <001f01c33227$11218a70$6600a8c0@DELL2> References: <200306121558.13995@slushman> <001f01c33227$11218a70$6600a8c0@DELL2> Message-ID: <200306141032.57160.cbidler@innominatus.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > This worked perfect for a single connection between my server and IPCop > box, but I need to make connections from this same server to a number of > other boxes. I have tried to generate keys with different names, but it is > not working. Is there a certain protocol to follow to make this work? Each server to which you want to connect in this way should have the "source" server's public key file copied into authorized_keys in the same way as you did with the first. You should not (or at least, should not have to) create a separate key pair for each "destination" server. - -- Chris Johnson Bidler cbidler@innominatus.com GPG key ID: 0F1FB96B -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+60Ahbb5/ug8fuWsRApVRAJwKyb4kunKjQ5IyeSh78Rbqo2vIhwCfXh0d 0Z5kUQjClgT6yAtfgwaF+Sc= =dF4q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Jun 14 14:10:01 2003 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:22 2005 Subject: Spamassassin RATWARE (was: Re: [TCLUG] knoppix) In-Reply-To: <52763.192.168.0.3.1055603611.squirrel@trutwins.homeip.net> References: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF6237ACA@IPSERVER2> <52763.192.168.0.3.1055603611.squirrel@trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: <1055617801.25533.21.camel@3po.thodt.net> On Sat, 2003-06-14 at 10:13, Josh Trutwin wrote: > Heh. > > You've been tagged as spam... > > Josh > > > This mail is probably spam. The original message has been attached > > along with this report, so you can recognize or block similar unwanted > > mail in future. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. > > > > Content preview: hooray for you. > > > > Content analysis details: (5.40 points, 5 required) > > NO_REAL_NAME (0.8 points) From: does not include a real name > > FROM_NO_LOWER (2.2 points) 'From' has no lower-case characters > > RATWARE_GROUPMAIL (2.9 points) Bulk email software fingerprint (Group > > Mail) found in headers ORIGINAL_MESSAGE (-0.5 points) Looks like a > > reply to a message Hmm, I remember that a lot of people had problems with a RATWARE rule a while ago. IIRC, it was an improperly written rule. I forget what the exact string is that causes this to be flagged, but it shows up in all TCLUG mail... Anyway, you should probably set that rule to have 0.0 or even a negative value in your ~/.spamassassin/user_prefs file. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ I haven't lost my mind -- / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ it's backed up on tape \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) somewhere. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20030614/3b7d860f/attachment.pgp From blutgens at us-admins.com Sat Jun 14 18:40:47 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] knoppix In-Reply-To: <52763.192.168.0.3.1055603611.squirrel@trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: <9FEB5404-9EC1-11D7-9CFF-000393B94258@us-admins.com> On Saturday, Jun 14, 2003, at 10:13 US/Central, Josh Trutwin wrote: > Heh. > > You've been tagged as spam... > Heh, my SA said the same thing. Appropriate I think. > Josh > >> This mail is probably spam. The original message has been attached >> along with this report, so you can recognize or block similar unwanted >> mail in future. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. >> >> Content preview: hooray for you. >> >> Content analysis details: (5.40 points, 5 required) >> NO_REAL_NAME (0.8 points) From: does not include a real name >> FROM_NO_LOWER (2.2 points) 'From' has no lower-case characters >> RATWARE_GROUPMAIL (2.9 points) Bulk email software fingerprint >> (Group >> Mail) found in headers ORIGINAL_MESSAGE (-0.5 points) Looks like a >> reply to a message > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Ben Lutgens System Administrator US Admins, Inc _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net Sun Jun 15 02:11:07 2003 From: scot+tcluggen at thinkunix.net (Scot Jenkins) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] last TCLUG meeting Message-ID: <20030615021107.B2598@thinkunix.net> I'd like to thank Nand Mehra of Upstreamsoft for taking the time to speak at yesterday's TCLUG meeting. He gave an informative talk about how his company is using Linux in their EDI solution offerings. We had a relatively small attendance, probably due to the nice weather. Hopefully we can get his slides up on the tclug website shortly for those who might have been "wearing shorts and sitting at the lake" (inside joke for those who attended the meeting today). -- scot _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From RWARE at INTERPLASTIC.COM Sun Jun 15 20:08:56 2003 From: RWARE at INTERPLASTIC.COM (RWARE@INTERPLASTIC.COM) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] knoppix Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF6237ACB@ipserver2.interplastic.com> Proof that spam filtering is an imprecise game at best. -----Original Message----- From: Josh Trutwin To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Sent: 6/14/03 10:13 AM Subject: RE: Re: [TCLUG] knoppix Heh. You've been tagged as spam... Josh > This mail is probably spam. The original message has been attached > along with this report, so you can recognize or block similar unwanted > mail in future. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. > > Content preview: hooray for you. > > Content analysis details: (5.40 points, 5 required) > NO_REAL_NAME (0.8 points) From: does not include a real name > FROM_NO_LOWER (2.2 points) 'From' has no lower-case characters > RATWARE_GROUPMAIL (2.9 points) Bulk email software fingerprint (Group > Mail) found in headers ORIGINAL_MESSAGE (-0.5 points) Looks like a > reply to a message _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From RWARE at INTERPLASTIC.COM Sun Jun 15 20:18:20 2003 From: RWARE at INTERPLASTIC.COM (RWARE@INTERPLASTIC.COM) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] knoppix Message-ID: <85FABEFDA46ED711943B003048276DF6237ACC@ipserver2.interplastic.com> Well I could use Pine a (non-groupware mailer) and use lower case (the preferred in case sensitive operating systems) in my address. Will Kroupware be tagged also? -----Original Message----- From: Ben Lutgens To: tclug-list@mn-linux.org Sent: 6/14/03 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] knoppix On Saturday, Jun 14, 2003, at 10:13 US/Central, Josh Trutwin wrote: > Heh. > > You've been tagged as spam... > Heh, my SA said the same thing. Appropriate I think. > Josh > >> This mail is probably spam. The original message has been attached >> along with this report, so you can recognize or block similar unwanted >> mail in future. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. >> >> Content preview: hooray for you. >> >> Content analysis details: (5.40 points, 5 required) >> NO_REAL_NAME (0.8 points) From: does not include a real name >> FROM_NO_LOWER (2.2 points) 'From' has no lower-case characters >> RATWARE_GROUPMAIL (2.9 points) Bulk email software fingerprint >> (Group >> Mail) found in headers ORIGINAL_MESSAGE (-0.5 points) Looks like a >> reply to a message > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Ben Lutgens System Administrator US Admins, Inc _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From follower at usfamily.net Sun Jun 15 13:06:12 2003 From: follower at usfamily.net (Fredr4ick Fleming) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] knoppix In-Reply-To: <9FEB5404-9EC1-11D7-9CFF-000393B94258@us-admins.com> References: <9FEB5404-9EC1-11D7-9CFF-000393B94258@us-admins.com> Message-ID: <3EECB594.9020603@usfamily.net> WOW this knoppix is really great. Ben Lutgens wrote: > > On Saturday, Jun 14, 2003, at 10:13 US/Central, Josh Trutwin wrote: > >> Heh. >> >> You've been tagged as spam... >> > > > Ben Lutgens > System Administrator > US Admins, Inc > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From peter-clark at bethel.edu Sun Jun 15 22:57:08 2003 From: peter-clark at bethel.edu (Peter Clark) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB difficulties Message-ID: <200306152257.08498.peter-clark@bethel.edu> I have a USB 2.0 CF reader that sometimes causes a spike in proc usage; that is, I plug it in, try to mount it, and the process freezes for a couple minutes. I can still use the computer (it doesn't lock up), but trying to kill the process (either with Ctrl-C or 'kill') takes a long time to execute. This has happened on both USB 1.1 and 2.0 ports. This is not a problem, however, when I start the computer with the CF reader in the port. (It's not mounted on boot, mind you, but when I mount it later, I don't have any problems with it.) What could be causing this, and what's the fix? The second issue is that I also have one of those USB flash drives. If the CF reader has already been mounted and unmounted, then try to mount the flash drive (as sda1), it says that it's not a valid block device. Doing things the manual way, it sometimes is under /dev/sdb1, sometimes under /sdc1, etc. And once I find out what device it is under, mount it, then unmount it, I have no luck remounting the CF reader (I tried up to /sdh1 with no luck). Since I always connect these two devices to the same port, is there some way to force their device to _always_ be sda1? Thanks, :Peter -- Oh what a tangled web they weave who try a new word to conceive! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.com Mon Jun 16 01:35:45 2003 From: cdf123 at cdf123.com (Chris Frederick) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Laptop Hardware/Bios Message-ID: <1055745344.25541.60.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Got a problem, I got a problem with my laptop (Compaq Presario 2700). After booting up the machine, the hard drive gets accessed for the boot loader, and the processor fan kicks into extreme overdrive, and cuts the CPU power down by at least half. It only happens after hard drive access, booted into the bios menu for many minutes with no problems. I've searched for it on the Compaq/HP site and they recommend loading the bios update or clearing the CMOS, a temp fix was to go into the bios on each boot and load the setup defaults. Also of note, the bios update and the cleared CMOS were not confirmed to have fixed the problem. So here's my 3 options. 1. At every boot, go into the bios, load the default settings, exit and save. 2. The Compaq bios update comes as a Compaq update file for the Compaq update service (installed from the Compaq CD). 3. Open up the laptop and find the jumper for the CMOS reset, if there is one, or take out the CMOS battery. Possibly breaking something, and possibly not fixing the problem. 4. Backup the laptop, and reload WinXP to update the bios, then reload Linux once it's fixed. Anyone ever have this problem? Can i fix it without taring the laptop apart, or loading Windows? Would anyone here trust the wine project to update the bios? Is there something in the kernel acpi that could control the fan and slow it down? Is there a "Linux way" to update bios' or firmwares? I'm also planning on updating the hard drive soon, could a new hard drive fix it since it seems to be semi-hard drive related? Thanks all. -- Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Mon Jun 16 09:35:34 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:22 2005 Subject: Spamassassin RATWARE (was: Re: [TCLUG] knoppix) In-Reply-To: <1055617801.25533.21.camel@3po.thodt.net> Message-ID: On 14 Jun 2003, Mike Hicks wrote: > Hmm, I remember that a lot of people had problems with a RATWARE rule a > while ago. IIRC, it was an improperly written rule. I forget what the > exact string is that causes this to be flagged, but it shows up in all > TCLUG mail... It used to be the automatically-generated footer that said "Twin Cities Linux User Group Mailing List" -- SpamAssassin matches on the "Group Mail." Someone at RTE changed that, but there's still at least one occurance in the headers: List-Id: Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List That'd be why tclug-list mail gets tagged as ratware. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nota12b at mail.iglide.net Mon Jun 16 09:32:24 2003 From: nota12b at mail.iglide.net (Wil) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:22 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest? Message-ID: <200306160832.AA1007878316@mail.iglide.net> I have arranged for a place to have an installfest, but need some feedback - quickly! Specifics: place is in Bloomington can 'hold' about 50 or so has T1 access The person I've arranged with is out-of-town on the 28th (when I had hoped to do this), so asked if we could do this on a weekday. SO... ideas/thoughts on a Friday 1-6 (or 7)pm OR Thursday (same time frame) ???? For whatever reason, she thought these are held during the week. I've attend (most?) of the last 6 or more and they've always been a Saturday affair... would one 'fly' as a during-the-week operation? I'd like to get back to her today, or tomorrow at the latest... Wil PS As an alternative - THIS Saturday (June 21st) if she's available? REALLY short notice, but at least a chance for a Saturday if the weekday-thing turns into 'unlikely'... _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Mon Jun 16 09:55:13 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest? In-Reply-To: <200306160832.AA1007878316@mail.iglide.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Jun 2003, Wil wrote: > I have arranged for a place to have an installfest, but need some > feedback - quickly! Installfest? What's that? Wait...I think I remember...kinda. ;) > Specifics: > place is in Bloomington > can 'hold' about 50 or so > has T1 access We've had worse, I suspect. > For whatever reason, she thought these are held during the week. > I've attend (most?) of the last 6 or more and they've always been > a Saturday affair... would one 'fly' as a during-the-week > operation? I seem to recall that there was an Installfest at the Linux Conference Real Time put on two years ago. (*checks* Yep.) That was on a Thursday, from 10:30am to 5pm (according to the original post, heh). So it's not entirely without precedent. > PS > As an alternative - THIS Saturday (June 21st) if she's available? > REALLY short notice, but at least a chance for a Saturday if the > weekday-thing turns into 'unlikely'... *shrug* I'll try my best to make it, whenever it ends up being. Jima _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From clay at fandre.com Mon Jun 16 10:02:01 2003 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Home Media Distribution Message-ID: <20030616150201.GB3020@fandre.com> So my new house is just about complete and I am looking for suggestions on a home media distribution panel/equipment for all my wiring. I know Home Depot sells the Leviton line, but that is all rather limited in the number of connections. (I wired about 6 runs of cat5e and rg6 to each room) Does anyone know where I can get something that can handle cat5, rg6, phone without spending $1000? Or is the Leviton the way to go since it is pretty expandable? TIA. -- Clay _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at us-admins.com Mon Jun 16 10:03:15 2003 From: blutgens at us-admins.com (Ben Lutgens) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] Installfest? In-Reply-To: <200306160832.AA1007878316@mail.iglide.net> Message-ID: <105c4aa147ad76643d6f554c2266902b@stfu.local.> On 2003-06-16 09:32:24 -0500 Wil wrote: > I have arranged for a place to have an installfest, but need some > feedback - quickly! > Specifics: place is in Bloomington > can 'hold' about 50 or so > has T1 access Great! Sounds good so far. > > The person I've arranged with is out-of-town on the 28th (when I had > hoped to do this), so asked if we could do this on a weekday. SO... > ideas/thoughts on a Friday 1-6 (or 7)pm > OR > Thursday (same time frame) > ???? Uhhh, I couldn't justify a day off for an installfest. Saturdays and Sundays (or some known holiday off-day). > > For whatever reason, she thought these are held during the week. I've > attend (most?) of the last 6 or more and they've always been a > Saturday affair... would one 'fly' as a during-the-week operation? > > I'd like to get back to her today, or tomorrow at the latest... > Wil > > PS > As an alternative - THIS Saturday (June 21st) if she's available? > REALLY short notice, but at least a chance for a Saturday if the > weekday-thing turns into 'unlikely'... > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From JAustad at temgweb.com Mon Jun 16 10:46:39 2003 From: JAustad at temgweb.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Home Media Distribution Message-ID: <288FAF5565A1A74EA5E35C39E7EE1D42077FE0CC@mail.temgweb.com> I would just look around for the standard stuff you'd find in a data center. If you look around on the net you can get it all cheap. Fry's electronics was selling *nice* 24 port patch panels for $24 each when I was out in CA awhile back. Check their website and see if you can order them for that much. http://www.frys.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Clay Fandre [mailto:clay@fandre.com] > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 10:02 AM > To: tclug-list > Subject: [TCLUG] [OT] Home Media Distribution > > > So my new house is just about complete and I am looking for > suggestions on a home media distribution panel/equipment for all my > wiring. I know Home Depot sells the Leviton line, but that is all > rather limited in the number of connections. (I wired about 6 runs of > cat5e and rg6 to each room) Does anyone know where I can get something > that can handle cat5, rg6, phone without spending $1000? Or is the > Leviton the way to go since it is pretty expandable? > > TIA. > > -- Clay > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Mon Jun 16 13:34:35 2003 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:23 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] scp Message-ID: Raymond, Your email made me try to write down a step-by-step I have been meaning to make for a while. I'm sorry it could not have been more timely. If you can get anything out of it, that would be great: http://www.jdmz.net/ssh/ Everyone else can point out the obvious errors I (seemingly) like to sprinkle my written works with. Have a good one, Troy >>> cbidler@innominatus.com 06/14/03 10:32AM >>> > This worked perfect for a single connection between my server and IPCop > box, but I need to make connections from this same server to a number of > other boxes. I have tried to generate keys with different names, but it is > not working. Is there a certain protocol to follow to make this work? Each server to which you want to connect in this way should have the "source" server's public key file copied into authorized_keys in the same way as you did with the first. You should not (or at least, should not have to) create a separate key pair for each "destination" server. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list@mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Mon Jun 16 14:26:33 2003 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Mon Jan 17 12:38:24 2005 Subject: [TCLUG] USB difficulties In-Reply-To: <200306152257.08498.peter-clark@bethel.edu> References: <200306152257.08498.peter-clark@bethel.edu> Message-ID: <1055791594.11934.12.camel@3po.thodt.net> On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 22:57, Peter Clark wrote: > The second issue is that I also have one of those USB flash drives. If the CF > reader has already been mounted and unmounted, then try to mount the flash > drive (as sda1), it says that it's not a valid block device. Doing things the > manual way, it sometimes is under /dev/sdb1, sometimes under /sdc1, etc. And > once I find out what device it is under, mount it, then unmount it, I have no > luck remounting the CF reader (I tried up to /sdh1 with no luck). Since I > always connect these two devices to the same port, is there some way to force > their device to _always_ be sda1? I don't think so. USB doesn't really keep close track from what I can tell. It might be possible to do some special scripting through the hotplug or usbmgr system on your computer, but I'll mention another option: You can use the mount-by-label and mount-by-uuid support in mount to do just about what you're looking for. You can do things like `mount -L